From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 01:02:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16297; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 01:01:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 01:01:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 00:59:33 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: two minds Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com DLM writes: >It has become clear, following this list over years, that loopers seem to be >of two minds. The Acid guys and the EDP guys are really two completely >separate camps. Those of us on "Kim's side" can't understand the desire to >save a loop; a never-changing loop just isn't the living thing that an >evolving loop is. I equate the static loop with MIDI music, which is a >spitting out of notes and sounds on command. Not to discredit that >approach, but I feel that it's a very different animal. Not looking to >start a holy war here, but there is a very strict division between these >mindsets, and I think we should recognize this. Could it actually call for >two separate lists? but this list is mostly about the live side anyway... a few canned loopers show up, make some noise (like Caliban Epheseus Wormtongue or whatever his name was) and then disappear...! /t .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 02:01:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA18369; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 02:00:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 02:00:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005901c14a3d$f7f9faa0$0d4628d5@a123456789> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <004401c149e9$0ba42940$c8b99318@ne.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Whatever happened to the loper T shirts ? Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 06:57:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Any one Know ? Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 02:50:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA20115; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 02:49:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 02:49:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 23:50:19 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.388) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v388) In-Reply-To: <32.1b9dfef3.28e9163b@aol.com> Subject: Re: Question on EDP: Non volatile memory? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20011001064853.YUQJ18284.femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com@localhost> Resent-Message-ID: <80bGD.A.35E.gHBu7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, you're right, the EDP hardware should never change, it should stay exactly like it is forever.... Hah ha ha hah ha ha ha! You fools! Soon a new generation of loopage will appear aided by a machine called The Repeater. It will transcend your tiny ideas of what a looper should be. Ha ha hahh ahhah aha ha, we will rule the world! YOU FOOLS! I dare anyone to find a piece of software for a Wintel or Mac OS box that will do what the Repeater does in REAL TIME (as in suitable for a performance) (software that needs additional hardware cards to run need not apply) Granted, the EDP is a very mature product, however it's really been without any real competition for a very long time. Me thinks that has changed. If anyone here really believes that these two products aren't in direct competition with each other, you're asleep. There are those among us that can and will buy one of each flavor, but I believe the vast majority of non professional musicians will be forced to make a choice, as I was. The two big features that pushed me over to the Repeater side were non volatile memory (not to mention significantly higher memory capability) and stereo loop capability. I'm VERY glad I held out. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, September 30, 2001, at 05:43 PM, KILLINFO@aol.com wrote: > Kim, > > In a message dated 9/30/01 1:34:23 PM, kflint@loopers-delight.com > writes: > >> If having a lot of static loops stored that you can trigger at will is >> what >> you want to do, perhaps it is a sampler you want. Or if being able to >> save >> a lot of stuff so you can carefully edit it into a recorded >> composition is >> what you want to do, perhaps a pc based recording studio is what you >> want... >> ... If playing and creating loops live and improvisationally is what >> you > want >> to do, a performance looper is probably what you want. Don't expect to >> find one tool that does all of these things well, because you won't. > > I have to say amen to this. All of these things are (at their conceptual > cores) very different devices. They may seem superficially alike in many > ways but at a much deeper level they are not the same at all. > > I do all of the types of things described above in my own music. The > improvising musician (guitar geek) part of me needs the EDPs as > "spontaneous > performance loopers" -- for the very reasons Kim outlines. The somewhat > "more deliberate" composer/sound designer part of me needs the PC > (well actually a Mac in my case) for my more anal-retentive sound/loop/ > composition/editing/tweeking needs. And, thirdly, I frequently employ > various sorts of samplers to play all manner of other odd bits of > pre-recorded (often computer-mangeled) stuff that would be either > too hard to reproduce live by any number of real human beings, or loops > that are deliberately so dirt simple and static that no human would > be interested in playing them (there's a time and a place for > everything). > > I'm not the most advanced loop-person around but over the course > of a couple of decades at it I have found Kim's assertions to be qiuite > true and born out by experience. > > Ted > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 03:03:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA20614; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 03:01:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 03:01:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 00:01:54 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.388) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v388) In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: two minds Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20011001070028.CDXK16745.femail46.sdc1.sfba.home.com@localhost> Resent-Message-ID: <4HM2yB.A.rBF.SSBu7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You miss the point (Mark begins crusade) a saved "static" loop isn't what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the ability to record what you are playing live (quite unlike a sequenced MIDI loop) Save it to a new loop, continue fade/adding to your loop for hours if need be, then going back to your original saved loop, but now have it play back synched to a totally different tempo. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, September 30, 2001, at 07:01 PM, David Myers wrote: > It has become clear, following this list over years, that loopers seem > to be > of two minds. The Acid guys and the EDP guys are really two completely > separate camps. Those of us on "Kim's side" can't understand the > desire to > save a loop; a never-changing loop just isn't the living thing that an > evolving loop is. I equate the static loop with MIDI music, which is a > spitting out of notes and sounds on command. Not to discredit that > approach, but I feel that it's a very different animal. Not looking to > start a holy war here, but there is a very strict division between these > mindsets, and I think we should recognize this. Could it actually call > for > two separate lists? > > David Lee Myers > > on 9/30/01 4:31 PM, Kim Flint at kflint@loopers-delight.com wrote: > >> With a performance oriented looper like the Echoplex, the whole >> feature set >> is based around the idea of being able to build, manipulate, and evolve >> loops freely while performing. If all you do with it in performance is >> make >> static, unchanging loops, you are almost missing the point. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 03:13:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA20997; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 03:10:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 03:10:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003301c14a47$712ea3e0$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Eric Williamson" From: "Eric Williamson" To: Subject: Re: Question on EDP: Non volatile memory? Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 02:05:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <0xN0rB.A.IGF.KZBu7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I notice an interesting thing with a lot of people as they get more into >----SNIP---- >anymore. Instead they think more about recording the whole process as storage. yeah ... i think i thought saving just the "loop" part of a looping performance was important till i had a 'Plex for a bout a week. then, i wanted to record the whole experience. believe it or not, when i found out the 'peater had loop storage, my first thought was "oh cool i can set up delay rates _ahead_ of time" .... saving "snapshots" of performances was never something i thought of. so the big hullaballooo about the peater overdub bullshit didn't bother me in the least. >I listen to >electronic dance music all the time, even though I don't really do that as >a musician. Mostly it is a very composed style, created by people sitting >in front of computers, constructing very static loops that they mix >together in different ways to make a composition unfortunately that's the way it is now, with your standard Shitty Trance Spamming MP3.COM Artist. however, i have the pleasure of working with an old-school acid house guy who lives here in town alot, and he can really _play_ his (minimal) gear. i've never heard so much _sound_ come from a TR-909 and SH-101/TB-303 (slaved) setup. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 05:06:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA24484; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 05:02:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 05:02:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c801c14a51$cc0b8d00$da61f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200110010028.UAA32084@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: COMPUTER PLUGINS for LOOP PROCESSING: a proposed new thread Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 01:18:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey guys, I just discovered a very hip plug-in freeware site (for both PC and Mac) and realized that I've really gotten some wonderful results from very creative and frequently very strange freeware and shareware programs (some pricey ones, too ;0 How's about an update thread on all of the killer plugins everyone has discovered to process their loops in the computer? Feel free to include things that you use that weren't designed for music, too.....some of these are my favorites. If anyone is up for this idea I would suggest that we break it down into these simple categories with the corresponding URLS for each piece of software: Mac freeware Mac shareware (and suggested price) Mac regular ware (and street price) PC freeware PC shareware (and suggested price) PC regular ware (and street price) Let me also propose that we try to send any freeware developers whose program we use copies of our music as a small thanks for all of their selfless hardwork designing so that we can be creative. Hell, send your music to all of the brilliant sound designers out their, amateur or professional..........nobodies getting rich doing this wonderful work. yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 05:39:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA25056; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 05:20:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 05:20:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <34.1ba8b204.28e98f22@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 05:19:30 EDT Subject: Re: two minds To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 10/1/01 2:01:03 AM, dmgraph@earthlink.net writes: << Not looking to start a holy war here, but there is a very strict division between these mindsets, and I think we should recognize this. Could it actually call for two separate lists? >> Let's not call for the "Balkanization" of the list! "Strict divisions between mind sets"? - If your an improvising musician there shouldn't be any "strict divisions" between anything - it's all usefull. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 05:48:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA25313; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 05:32:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 05:32:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <126.4ef602e.28e991bd@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 05:30:37 EDT Subject: Re: 2 Amps in Guitar Looping Setup? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 10/1/01 2:52:22 AM, bickleypunk@pdq.net writes: << Specific to the DL4 and the recent thread on it being in the effects loop... is that a problem? >> The DL4 is one of three independant loop lines I'm running off the effects loop of a "Flextone2 Plus" amp - no signal/ noise problems encountered. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 05:59:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA26006; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 05:53:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 05:53:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013401c14a5f$155009c0$da61f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200110010028.UAA32084@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: COMPUTER PLUGINS for LOOP PROCESSING Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 02:54:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here goes: SmartEFX PC and MAC Freeware http://www.smartelectronix.com/~destroyfx/ a very creative VST plugin EFX page featuring: 'skidder' skidder turns your sound on & off. While that may not sound very rewarding, you have a great deal of control over the rate, pulsewidth, on/off slope, panning width, etc. You can also relinquish some control to randomization. Skidder can also sync with your song tempo & can be triggered by MIDI notes. 'rezsynth' Rez Synth allows you to "play" bandpass resonant filter banks that process your sound. In the right hosts, MIDI notes can trigger individual filters or banks of filters (up to 30 per note) with controllable frequency separation. 'transverb' transverb is like a delay plugin, but it can play back the delay buffer at different speeds. Think of it like a tape loop with two independently-moving read heads. There are lots of parameters to control and a parameter randomizer for the impatient. Tom's first "released" plugin. Fun! 'buffer overide' Buffer Override can overcome your VST host's audio processing buffer size & then (unsuccessfully) override that new buffer size to be a smaller buffer size. It makes a lot more sense if you just try it out & hear what it does. It can sound like a stuttery vocoder or a stuck beat shuffler or many other delightful things. In certain hosts, you can also "play" Buffer Override via MIDI notes & even sync it to song tempo. 'vst midi app' is a little program that let's you explore the wonders of MIDI-controlled effects. Unfortunately, most VST softwares do not support sending MIDI notes & such to effects plugins, so this is an easy way for you to use our fancy, MIDI-hungry effects if your software can't handle that kind of thing. With VST MIDI, you can play a sound file, load a VST effect, control the effect with a MIDI instrument or the on-screen keyboard, & save the results to a sound file. Next up are two killer programs from Rasmus Ekman (a very nice guy from his e-mails to me) GRANULAB PC FREEWARE http://hem.passagen.se/rasmuse/Granny.htm is a wonderful Granular Synthesis program (treating audio data as 'grains' of information, allowing for the change of density, pitch, resonance. I've probably got it all wrong, theoretically, but this program has the potential for doing seriously wierd and wonderful things to your .wav or .aiff files. I love it!!! For those familiar with the CT-Collective CD, "Philter PHrenzy" , I used the hell out of this program as well as the next program to create my 'groove' on my contribution "TROIS VOIX". I recieved several e-mails from composers asking "How the hell did you create that loop" which is my idea of a really good time ;-). P.S. I'd be happy to divulge that to anyone who is interested, but as an offtopic post. COAGULA PC FREEWARE http://hem.passagen.se/rasmuse/Coagula.htm is a program that allows you to either use a simple paint program to paint a picture that is then interpreted into sound waves. It also allows you to import a .jpeg which it will then convert to sound. Seriously bent. Another program that has a very intuitive approach to randomness. next up: TEXT ALOUD PC SHAREWARE ($19.95) http://www.applian.com/pc/TextAloud/ This app speaks text for you. You can use an evaluation copy of it but I highly recommend buying it (it's really cheap, guys and gals, come on ;-). You can dowload speakers from both sexes from Italy, Spain, U.S., England, Holland,France, Brazil and Germany.........remember, each of these different languages pronounces their vowels and consonants differently and the vowels are all merely comb filterings of pitch through the shape of our mouths. I just finished a piece a few weeks ago, where I typed in random vowel combinations and had the program 'play' them with some really beautiful and unusual melodic effects. A lot of fun as you can radically alter the pitch and speed of the voice: for the next time when you want the radically pitched and slowed down German male voice to tell someone you know, "Luke, I am your father" and finally, because we all must sleep after all, my last for the night: SOFTSTEP PC FREEWARE http://algoart.com/web/download.htm This is a really intersting random midi generator that uses several different algorhythms to generate a string of constant notes. Sort of a twisted melodic sample and hold. I love listening to a long sequence of fractally generated notes and then go in and grap 16 of them, throw them into ACID as a single loop and then go in and 'grid' them as 16th notes and randomly cut out individual notes to create syconpated rhythms. As you might have gathered, I'm on this 'random' kick lately (when I'm not shedding my acoustic middleeastern chops). That's it for me, yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) http://algoart.com/web/download.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 09:00:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA32095; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 08:58:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 08:58:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: partagas.dragonet.es: 193-153-189-228.uc.nombres.ttd.es [193.153.189.228] didn't use HELO protocol Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20011001142720.00a25b10@mail.dragonet.es> X-Sender: d3055@mail.dragonet.es X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 14:27:20 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Raul Bonell Subject: OT: drum machine / groovebox In-Reply-To: <013401c14a5f$155009c0$da61f93f@dnlsh01> References: <200110010028.UAA32084@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id IAA32042 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi there ! i was wondering which drum machine / groovebox are you using in combination with your realtime loopage in your live set up. does anybody sync. xuccesfully with the 'plex some of these units yamaha rmx1 yamaha an200 yamaha dx200 korg er-1 jomox xbase09 any recommendations ? thanks in advance ! raül. El Cau De La Figa Reial http://www.dragonet.es/users/d3055/rb From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 09:28:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00308; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 09:19:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 09:19:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <15.1b87eeba.28e9c6ce@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 09:17:02 EDT Subject: Re: two minds To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_15.1b87eeba.28e9c6ce_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: <4M6wHD.A.N_H.1zGu7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_15.1b87eeba.28e9c6ce_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/30/01 10:01:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dmgraph@earthlink.net writes: > Could it actually call for > two separate lists? > not really.....i think many of us are interested in both methods.....m --part1_15.1b87eeba.28e9c6ce_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/30/01 10:01:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dmgraph@earthlink.net writes:


Could it actually call for
two separate lists?


not really.....i think many of us are interested in both methods.....m --part1_15.1b87eeba.28e9c6ce_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 10:35:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03126; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 10:25:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 10:25:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BB88AE1.E9D36B58@cabq.gov> Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 08:25:21 -0700 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Whatever happened to the loper T shirts ? References: <004401c149e9$0ba42940$c8b99318@ne.mediaone.net> <005901c14a3d$f7f9faa0$0d4628d5@a123456789> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes... very close... you cant even imagine HOW close.. Stay tuned! -jas LD T-shirt dude Albuquerque whiteoakstudios wrote: > Any one Know ? > > Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 10:53:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04169; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 10:48:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 10:48:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 09:42:24 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Question on EDP: Non volatile memory? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00b001c14a87$48cd77b0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010930105518.04c7dd90@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I notice an interesting thing with a lot of people as they get more into > looping. Usually they start off thinking that loop storage is really > important. That is usually the stage where they stick to very static loops, > where something is created with an overdub or two, and then left to repeat > as is forever while they play along with it. So they think a lot about > wanting to save that loop. (this is usually where the complain a lot that > the EDP lacks that feature. :-) Then as they get more into it, they > discover more and more that there is so much creative possibilities in the > *process* of creating loops, and manipulating them and evolving them on the > fly. The loop at any given point along the way is less of the focus. As > they follow that path, they gradually forget about the whole idea of > storing loops, because in that context it doesn't really make sense > anymore. Instead they think more about recording the whole process as storage. > and then they think "hey, i could use this approach while i'm creating loops and then reuse those loops while using another approach." i realize this is not addressed exactly by having non-volatile memory. what i want is the ability to save loops and get them on my pc. i'm not selling my edp, though... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 10:57:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04168; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 10:48:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 10:48:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 09:42:17 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Question on EDP: Non volatile memory? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00af01c14a87$4799d9b0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > How important is this non volatiliy? > We have been thinking about creating some kind of an upgrade kit that > connects to the SIMM sockets but holds some non volatile memory. > How many of you would be interested in spending $100-200 for this? > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > if you would be increasing the total memory, then it would be worth it. i gather that you are increasing the total number of loops. will you still be dividing memory equally for each loop? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 11:17:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04971; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:03:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:03:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 09:59:10 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: two minds To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00e201c14a89$a033f860$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <34.1ba8b204.28e98f22@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <6rg9HD.A.hJB.-SIu7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com me two. > > In a message dated 10/1/01 2:01:03 AM, dmgraph@earthlink.net writes: > > << Not looking to > start a holy war here, but there is a very strict division between these > mindsets, and I think we should recognize this. Could it actually call for > two separate lists? >> > > Let's not call for the "Balkanization" of the list! "Strict divisions > between mind sets"? - If your an improvising musician there shouldn't be any > "strict divisions" between anything - it's all usefull. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 11:18:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05266; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:08:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:08:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00b001c14a87$48cd77b0$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010930105518.04c7dd90@loopers-delight.com> <00b001c14a87$48cd77b0$080210ac@jpalmer> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:04:14 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Question on EDP: Non volatile memory? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I notice an interesting thing with a lot of people as they get more into > > looping. Usually they start off thinking that loop storage is really > > important. That is usually the stage where they stick to very static loops, > > where something is created with an overdub or two, and then left to repeat > > as is forever while they play along with it. So they think a lot about > > wanting to save that loop. (this is usually where the complain a lot that > > the EDP lacks that feature. :-) Then as they get more into it, they > > discover more and more that there is so much creative possibilities in the > > *process* of creating loops, and manipulating them and evolving them on the > > fly. The loop at any given point along the way is less of the focus. As > > they follow that path, they gradually forget about the whole idea of > > storing loops, because in that context it doesn't really make sense > > anymore. Instead they think more about recording the whole >process as storage. > > > >and then they think "hey, i could use this approach while i'm creating loops >and then reuse those loops while using another approach." My issue is lack of time. I spend a long time on musical things and if I make prerecorded things, it takes me forever to get one loop right. But if I learn to use the tools right then I can generate music that's "just as good" on the fly. So I dread stored loops -- a new can of worms, a new thing to have to *do*! /t .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 11:24:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05373; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:11:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:11:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011a01c14a8a$dfabb900$46065cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: professional loopers? Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:08:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro >Well, I have to say that I've earned many a food credit at the ABC Cafe >in Ithaca NY for the loop based shows that I performed there with David >Klausner Hi Mark, Do you live in the Ithaca area? I stop in at Ultimate Music whenever I visit family in Freeville since it's on the way. Let me know when you play areound there. Perhaps I can catch a show or at least tell my family about it. Cheers, Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 11:29:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05661; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:16:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:16:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012501c14a8b$4281d8c0$46065cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: Professional Loopers Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:10:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Steve Sandberg >I make my living writing for TV, have done some solo shows at the Knitting >Factory and Guggenheim Museum in NY, but can't seem to get past the "do a >show for my friends and acquaintances" stage -- any hints? Play out often, promote the hell out of everything you do, pray for luck, and keep at it. Cheers, Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 11:31:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05633; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:15:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:15:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 10:13:56 -0500 (CDT) From: fretwire To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DL4's placement in chain? In-Reply-To: <004401c149e9$0ba42940$c8b99318@ne.mediaone.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <1dUFTB.A.yWB.5gIu7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sun, 30 Sep 2001, Luden wrote: > I've heard not to put a DL4 in an effects loop (due to the sensitivity > of the output setting, I believe) and I think most people say to put it > right after the guitar, before the effects. I want to be able to add effects > to the loop. Which is the best way to do this? > I have effects in front and behind the DL4 with great results and I have never experienced the I/O problems that people report. -- travis salisbury http://www.illuminetdesign.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 11:51:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07244; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:46:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:46:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BB89DE1.C8508E6E@cabq.gov> Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 09:46:25 -0700 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DL4's placement in chain? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I used the DL-4 in the Effect loop of my Lexicon Stereo tube amp. It was preceded by a Lexicon Vortex & Reflex in the loop. I had no real problems with that setup, other than the loss of stereo after capturing the loop. I have since moved the DL-4 to the front of my amp and Put a Repeater into loop capture duty... its own effect loop makes for interesting and fun effect combinations. I reckon getting an EDP wiggled in there somewhere will be the ultimate... someday. later, -jas Albuqerque fretwire wrote: > On Sun, 30 Sep 2001, Luden wrote: > > > I've heard not to put a DL4 in an effects loop (due to the sensitivity > > of the output setting, I believe) and I think most people say to put it > > right after the guitar, before the effects. I want to be able to add effects > > to the loop. Which is the best way to do this? > > > > I have effects in front and behind the DL4 with great results and I have > never experienced the I/O problems that people report. > > -- > travis salisbury > http://www.illuminetdesign.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 11:52:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07500; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:50:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:50:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <015f01c14a90$6b5baa00$46065cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: DL4's placement in chain? Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:47:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: fretwire >I have effects in front and behind the DL4 with great results and I have >never experienced the I/O problems that people report. What effects do you use after the DL4? Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 11:55:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07956; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:52:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:52:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Echoplex Memory and loop storage; also Pro Looping Gigs Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 08:52:11 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00af01c14a87$4799d9b0$080210ac@jpalmer> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Disposition-Notification-To: "Gary Lehmann" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My feeling is that the loss of sound quality you get from recording the loop from the analog out of the EDP into whatever is minimal--the appeal of the Repeater is probably accessibility. It looked pretty cool . . . I'm into having loops stored but also recognize that the EDP does what it does extraordinarily well. EDP into the Repeater sounds like the best of both worlds. Which leads to my next thread reply--pro gigs. I am going back to San Diego after hanging here in LA for 9 months, and if there is anybody here making the majority of their income from looping, I'd like to hear about it before I leave next week. In SD I had two jobs (out of hundreds of gigs a year) in the last few years which were "loop jobs". The first was a background music job at Loew's in Coronado and the second a job at a hotel downtown where I forgot (!) my sequencer--this experience is in the archives--search for "baptism by fire". I am currently not seeking music jobs due to the relocation and how busy the business I started with my sweetheart is keeping me, but should start trying to "play out" upon relocation to SD. You know--the real work is booking gigs and promotion; "we get to play." Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 11:57:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08030; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:52:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:52:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 08:52:50 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.388) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v388) In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20011001142720.00a25b10@mail.dragonet.es> Subject: Re: OT: drum machine / groovebox Message-Id: <20011001155123.JHMF18284.femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com@localhost> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA07645 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use a combination of a Roland MC-307, Ensonic TS-10 or often at home I'll be controlling either or both with Metro 5 from Calkwalk with a Macintosh G4. I bought the 307 mainly for live gigs, as it's small and has knobs for realtime tweaking. Mark On Monday, October 1, 2001, at 05:27 AM, Raul Bonell wrote: > hi there ! > > i was wondering which > drum machine / groovebox > are you using in combination > with your realtime loopage > in your live set up. > > does anybody sync. xuccesfully > with the 'plex some of these units > > yamaha rmx1 > yamaha an200 > yamaha dx200 > korg er-1 > jomox xbase09 > > any recommendations ? > > thanks in advance ! > raül. > > El Cau De La Figa Reial > http://www.dragonet.es/users/d3055/rb > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 11:59:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07585; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:51:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:51:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <015601c14a90$401d69a0$46065cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: two minds Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:46:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: David Myers >It has become clear, following this list over years, that loopers seem to be >of two minds. The Acid guys and the EDP guys are really two completely >separate camps. I see it more as a division by activity. There's live performance looping using hardware that can be done anywhere and there's studio-only looping using software (which can't?? be done in performance). People can choose to do one, the other, both, camping, running, golfing... they're just activities and we aren't limited to only one. >Those of us on "Kim's side" can't understand the desire to >save a loop; a never-changing loop just isn't the living thing that an >evolving loop is. I equate the static loop with MIDI music, which is a >spitting out of notes and sounds on command. Not to discredit that >approach, but I feel that it's a very different animal. What I'd like to be able to do is sync the following: sequencers in a Nord Modular, arpeggiators, wave sequences, audio loopers, analog sequencers, whatever, in a performance situation. BTW, MIDI music isn't required to be static and usually isn't. Yes, the notes are the same with each repeat. But the envelopes and filters and whatever else a patch has are usually tweeked in real time to add interest and morph the feel. Not to mention that some sequencers are playable in real time with notes, number of steps (loop length), and direction (forwards/backwards) being controlled. >Not looking to >start a holy war here, but there is a very strict division between these >mindsets, and I think we should recognize this. Could it actually call for >two separate lists? I think that kind of separation would reduce the synergy of cross polinization that we currently enjoy here. Cheers, Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 12:10:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08981; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 12:03:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 12:03:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <016601c14a92$5f90f2a0$46065cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: 2 Amps in Guitar Looping Setup? Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 12:01:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Doug Cox >I'm thinking that if I add another looper/delay in the effects loop, with >some sort of A/B box for bypassing, I'd be able to decide what signal goes >to what amp. For instance: > >Guitar -> Dynacomp -> FM4 Filter Modeler -> Rivera Amp -> Rivera Effects >Loop Out -> Digitech RP7 -> Small Clone -> A/B Box >A/B Box (A) -> EDP -> Rivera Effects Loop Return >A/B Box (B) -> DL4? -> Roland JC120 (slave) How about this? guitar -> stomp boxes -> guitar preamp (optional) -> mixer mixer left output-> Rivera amp mixer right output -> Roland amp mixer aux 1 output -> looper #1 -> mixer mixer aux 2 output -> looper #2 -> mixer mixer anx 3,4,5,6 -> other devices -> mixer A Mackie, Behringer, or other mixer for $350 - $1100 can fill the bill quite nicely. I saw some Mackie 1402VLZ mixers on sale locally for $360. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 12:15:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09208; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 12:08:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 12:08:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <016901c14a92$e3d43360$46065cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: 2 Amps in Guitar Looping Setup? Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 12:05:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Doug Cox >I'm back now to my true and deepest love, which for the purposes of >this list could be called ambient, soundscapes (eek!), looping, patterned >textures... or not. See my P.S. if that description doesn't make you puke. > >P.S. I'm in Houston TX. Anyone in the area who might be interested in >sounds of this sort, get in touch! I play more than just standard released CDs on EMUSIC if they fit my format and are good enough. See my sig for genres of interest. Cheers, Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 12:16:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09223; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 12:08:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 12:08:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20011001142720.00a25b10@mail.dragonet.es> References: <200110010028.UAA32084@hemlock.violacea.com> <3.0.6.32.20011001142720.00a25b10@mail.dragonet.es> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 09:09:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: OT: drum machine / groovebox Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA09117 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a Roland MC-303 that acts as the source of MIDI-clock in my live-looping/electronics setup. It sends MIDI sync to a Kurzweill Expressionmate, a JamMan, a MoFx, A Korg ER-1, and a Nord MicroModular running a number of step-sequencer based patches. Planning on adding a Repeater soon... >hi there ! > > i was wondering which > drum machine / groovebox > are you using in combination > with your realtime loopage > in your live set up. > > does anybody sync. xuccesfully > with the 'plex some of these units > > yamaha rmx1 > yamaha an200 > yamaha dx200 > korg er-1 > jomox xbase09 > > any recommendations ? > >thanks in advance ! >raül. > >El Cau De La Figa Reial >http://www.dragonet.es/users/d3055/rb -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 12:30:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09860; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 12:20:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 12:20:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: OT: drum machine / groovebox Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 09:11:43 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use an ER-1 as my clock master with the EDP, when doing midi sync stuff. Works fine. Neil Goldstein Portland, Oregon > >hi there ! > > > > i was wondering which > > drum machine / groovebox > > are you using in combination > > with your realtime loopage > > in your live set up. > > > > does anybody sync. xuccesfully > > with the 'plex some of these units > > > > yamaha rmx1 > > yamaha an200 > > yamaha dx200 > > korg er-1 > > jomox xbase09 > > > > any recommendations ? > > > >thanks in advance ! > >raül. > > > >El Cau De La Figa Reial > >http://www.dragonet.es/users/d3055/rb > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music > http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org > Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit > "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" > -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 12:36:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10685; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 12:29:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 12:29:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <015601c14a90$401d69a0$46065cd1@-> References: <015601c14a90$401d69a0$46065cd1@-> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 09:27:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: two minds Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >>It has become clear, following this list over years, that loopers seem to be >>of two minds. The Acid guys and the EDP guys are really two completely >>separate camps. I really don't see it this way. Of course, I use neither a Acid nor an EDP, but I do see what you mean. At home, I build loop-based stuff using Logic Audio. I almost always take my Boomerang to the gigs I play bass on. I do live sets with a DJ using a setup based around drum machines and MIDI-sync'd efx. If the list splits, I'd probably subscribe to both. I'd rather see it stay as one list myself, I think that there's more possibility of creative sparks flying from having a diverse group of contributors. > >Those of us on "Kim's side" can't understand the desire to >>save a loop; a never-changing loop just isn't the living thing that an >>evolving loop is. I equate the static loop with MIDI music, which is a >>spitting out of notes and sounds on command. Not to discredit that >>approach, but I feel that it's a very different animal. I do live stuff with MIDI that often starts with very little pre-programmed, maybe just a single line and a drum pattern. From there, I generate streams of stuff using arpeggiators, step-sequencers under live control, looping non-midi instruments, etc. I try to make it non-static, constantly evolving. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 12:37:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10742; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 12:30:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 12:30:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 09:32:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: Question on EDP Resent-Message-ID: <2zdmkC.A.OlC.lkJu7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 7:28 PM -0700 9/29/01, Mark Landman wrote: >>The EDP has many great strengths, it remains the solo looper monster >>machine, however, off-loading loops isn't the EDP's strength. Midi (think >>glacial speed, then cut in half) is the only supported off-loading >>mechanism. The RAM is indeed non-volatile. > >Mark, you probably meant to say volatile here? The EDP uses DRAM on >old-school 30 pin SIMMS, so it forgets when it gets powered off. > >-C Arrrgh- Thanks Chris, yes, I meant to say volatile. It's funny, I use an older email program that doesn't have any built-in spell check, so quite often I cringe when I see one of my posts and notice a spelling gaffe, so the one time I don't notice any spelling calamities, I manage to have a huge brain gaffe... Oh well... My main point was that the EDP shines in loop creation, manipulation, etc, and that the volatility of it's loops may not be as important as you'd initially think. Best- Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 12:47:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11175; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 12:37:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 12:37:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 09:39:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: Question on EDP: Non volatile memory? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>Mark, you probably meant to say volatile here? The EDP uses DRAM on >>old-school 30 pin SIMMS, so it forgets when it gets powered off. > >How important is this non volatiliy? >We have been thinking about creating some kind of an upgrade kit that >connects to the SIMM sockets but holds some non volatile memory. >How many of you would be interested in spending $100-200 for this? >-- Having just replied that the issue of volatility probably isn't as crucial as we might think, it'd still be nice to be able to save/load them loops at times... I'd be interested in that price point, but would be definitely more interested if the interface was some sort of fast removable media that could used as storage and/or memory. Can the EDP address more memory space than the maxxed out SIMMS currently allow? Obviously something like this would cost more, but be well worth it. Best- Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 13:21:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12773; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 13:13:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 13:13:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <200110010028.UAA32084@hemlock.violacea.com> <3.0.6.32.20011001142720.00a25b10@mail.dragonet.es> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 10:09:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: OT: drum machine / groovebox Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA12666 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When using a unit as a master clock to multiple units, how are you splitting the signal? Is there a standard methodology to doing such? or are they just running the midi outs of each unit to the next one's midi in? >I have a Roland MC-303 that acts as the source of MIDI-clock in my >live-looping/electronics setup. It sends MIDI sync to a Kurzweill >Expressionmate, a JamMan, a MoFx, A Korg ER-1, and a Nord >MicroModular running a number of step-sequencer based patches. >Planning on adding a Repeater soon... > >>hi there ! >> >> i was wondering which >> drum machine / groovebox >> are you using in combination >> with your realtime loopage >> in your live set up. >> >> does anybody sync. xuccesfully >> with the 'plex some of these units >> >> yamaha rmx1 >> yamaha an200 >> yamaha dx200 >> korg er-1 >> jomox xbase09 >> >> any recommendations ? >> >>thanks in advance ! >>raül. >> >>El Cau De La Figa Reial >>http://www.dragonet.es/users/d3055/rb > > >-- >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music >http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org > Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit >"This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" > -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer >------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 13:25:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12967; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 13:17:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 13:17:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c14a9c$bf7a4720$a6af1597@z3v3u4> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <200110010028.UAA32084@hemlock.violacea.com> <013401c14a5f$155009c0$da61f93f@dnlsh01> Subject: R: COMPUTER PLUGINS for LOOP PROCESSING Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 19:15:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all. I've been using some freeware vst plug-ins (for pc) for some time,now. I've found many of them in various magazines, and I found them useful. The first ones are: Simon Cantrills vst plug.ins : sc04seconds stereo delay sc12seconds stereo delay sc60seconds stereo delay sc multidelay sc multitap delay sc stereo pan Don't know really where they are downloadable, but the e-mail of the author is: vst@cantrisoft.demon.co.uk (at least that is what is in the read.me file) Other great freeware plug-ins are mds-vst plug-ins (there are even some free virtual instruments in vsti format) I love their combo plug.in. It reveals to be really useful on guitar tracks (best on distorted ones) They are downloadable at www.mda-vst.com A pair of free virtual synths are at muon-software Tau-bassline (a 303 clone) Atom (pretty little synth) Downloadable at www.muon-software.com/products/products.html And then a great Tracker. It is vst compatible, midifile compatible, and can use almost every bitrate or samplerate wav files. It exports in .mp3 and in stereo and quad wav format. The program is Modplug-Tracker Downloadable at www.modplug.com As far as multitracking goes there is a nice italian software called n-track. It is damn cheap, has some quality plug-ins and is vst and directx plug-ins compatible.Up to 24/96 audio. Downloadable at www.n-track.com Peace Luigi P.S. I love the coagula soft too. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 13:39:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13659; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 13:29:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 13:29:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <200110010028.UAA32084@hemlock.violacea.com> <3.0.6.32.20011001142720.00a25b10@mail.dragonet.es> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 10:25:15 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: OT: rebirth and reason? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey all, just started using reason, but i'm stuck on the Dr. Rex loop player. Is there other software that can create/convert to the REX files needed for this, other than Rebirth? I'm not really interested in Rebirth much, so i would prefer to use something else to convert .wav and .aif files that i have stored for use in Dr. Rex. thanks in advance, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 13:39:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14138; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 13:34:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 13:34:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000f01c149d7$6ebf1f60$903a4a42@we.mediaone.net> References: <000f01c149d7$6ebf1f60$903a4a42@we.mediaone.net> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 14:33:49 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Question on EDP: Non volatile memory? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >How much non-volatile RAM are we talking about? The idea was to have the same 200 sec and interface, just that power off would not errase. But from the reactions, I see this is not worth it, we better start a new model :-) > >Cliff > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Matthias Grob" >> How important is this non volatiliy? >> We have been thinking about creating some kind of an upgrade kit that >> connects to the SIMM sockets but holds some non volatile memory. > > How many of you would be interested in spending $100-200 for this? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 13:48:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14479; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 13:38:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 13:38:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 10:32:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: OT: midi controller Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anybody using one of these? http://www.encoreelectronics.com/cont_knob1.html to control softsynths, repeater, edp? or do you have it hooked up yet to make your morning toast and coffee? any feedback would be appreciated. best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 13:50:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14762; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 13:42:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 13:42:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: rebirth and reason? Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 10:35:23 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Recycle Neil Goldstein Portland, Oregon > -----Original Message----- > From: rich [mailto:rich@nuvisionsca.com] > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 10:25 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: OT: rebirth and reason? > > > hey all, > > just started using reason, but i'm stuck on the Dr. Rex loop player. > > Is there other software that can create/convert to the REX files > needed for this, other than Rebirth? I'm not really interested in > Rebirth much, so i would prefer to use something else to convert .wav > and .aif files that i have stored for use in Dr. Rex. > > thanks in advance, > > rich > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 14:26:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16762; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 14:24:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 14:24:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011701c14aa5$1e2699b0$6b44230a@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <200110010028.UAA32084@hemlock.violacea.com> <013401c14a5f$155009c0$da61f93f@dnlsh01> Subject: Re: COMPUTER PLUGINS for LOOP PROCESSING Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 14:15:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A few for now: HOG PC Freeware: http://shoko.calarts.edu/~bcassidy/hog/ It does waveform convolution, eq matching, vocording, and ring modulation between any two .WAV files, as well as decimation and frequency extraction. Non-real-time, but the program is VERY simple to use and incredibly fun. I've encountered a bug or two, but I've literally spent hours and hours and hours futzing with it just to see what comes out next. Don't think there's much active support for this, the documentation is only online and VERY sparse, but it's free and fun. TUAREG 1.5 PC Freeware (Free version - 6 mono tracks, half the editing/processing functions, no expiration, saves allowed) PC Regular ware $35 US (Fat version - 12 tracks, more editing/processing functions) www.brambos.com This is the most immediately enjoyable and creative.WAV based loop software tool I've ever used. And source of the most ongoing fun I've had for $35. Not at all useful for recording live loops, but it is useable as a live loop arranger/mangler. It's got a very creative interface that actually inspired new creative processes for me, and made other kinds of common edits very easy to perform. There's still a number of interface issues that really need to be addressed (no clip meter LED's, the pattern arranger has no numbering scheme, song mode needs to have definable start/end points), but the main loop manipulation controls are very useable. The biggest caveat with this program for me is that it doesn't currently support zero-crossing point processing for it's audio editing. It's a tribute to the progam's usefullness that I'll actually take the time to edit out the 'pops' that occur from some of my edits. What it does well is take common editing functions and make them incredibly accessible. For example, the track arranger has a very simple but effective shtick, all tracks are arranged in pairs, and you have a number of crossfading/processing options available that affect pairs of tracks as a unit. For example, you can load loop A into the track 1 slot, load loop B into the track 2 slot, and then assign crossfade behavoirs between the two tracks, as well as a 'gapper' type function that mutes selected 32nd note length sections of both tracks. There's also a 'Recycle'-esque function for each individual track file that divides that track's .WAV file into 16 equal peices and lets you swap any of those peices around to rearrange the .WAV file in real time. You can save these arbitrary part arrangements as presets. I've taken a single drum loop and created around a dozen distinct and interesting variations just by messing with the .WAV rearranger and crossfading between tracks. The programmer, Bram Bos, runs his own yahoo list for the product which he is very active on http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tuareg. He's also working on a 2.0 version that appears to address many of the interface/pop issues as well as add new softsynths that sound really fantastic. The upgrade will be free for registered users of 1.5. Not quite pro quality software (zero crossing processing is a must for me, and there's other limitations), but damn close for a single programmer working on the side, and WELL worth a look. Doesn't support plugins yet, or run as one, but it does currently run STOMPER as a plugin, which is nifty. STOMPER: PC Free/Postcard/Music ware (it's technically free and unlimited, but he asks nicely for sample of music generated with Stomper, and he wants a copy of commercial sample cd's made with his software) http://www.lysator.liu.se/~zap/stomper/index2.html What started as a humble software analog drum synth (tones only, no sequencing), has actually grown to be a very usable program for generating any analog style or sample based/analog style processed .WAV files. Simple and elegant. Got some fantastic tones from it. With a little bit of effort, you can easily generate audio loops in it. I use it to create semi-phrasical rythmic loops. I'm making up a word here. FUN. TOO MANY PLUGINS TO REVIEW: TONS of free and some demo plugins: www.audiomelody.com/Plug-ins.htm I'll review some of these when I have time. Lots of interesting DirectX plugins here: http://www.thedirectxfiles.com/plugins.htm Excellent thread Rick!!! Mike From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 14:28:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16949; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 14:27:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 14:27:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:24:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: RE: rebirth and reason? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com duh....sorry. i meant to say Recycle...sure i did...it just slipped (putting my crash helmet back on) anywho, are there any other audio editors that export REX files? any free/shareware (high hopes, there, i imagine)? rich >Recycle > > >Neil Goldstein >Portland, Oregon > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rich [mailto:rich@nuvisionsca.com] >> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 10:25 AM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: OT: rebirth and reason? >> >> >> hey all, >> >> just started using reason, but i'm stuck on the Dr. Rex loop player. >> >> Is there other software that can create/convert to the REX files >> needed for this, other than Rebirth? I'm not really interested in >> Rebirth much, so i would prefer to use something else to convert .wav >> and .aif files that i have stored for use in Dr. Rex. >> >> thanks in advance, >> >> rich >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 14:42:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17733; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 14:41:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 14:41:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D007419F@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: reply sometimes not to the list?++++ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 13:53:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C14AA2.01047030" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14AA2.01047030 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" howdy, this happens to me, too. i try to remember to look at the addressee before i hit send in my normal knee-jerk reaction. another thing that happens - - i've been automatically "unsubcribed" two times now for other people's mailboxes being too full (?they're on vacation or something?) . . . i get ousted for their boxes bouncing my message. i remember that someone else had this same problem about a month or so ago. anyone else have this problem? stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14AA2.01047030 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: reply sometimes not to the list?++++

howdy,

this happens to me, too. i try to remember to look at = the addressee before i hit send in my normal knee-jerk reaction.

another thing that happens - - i've been = automatically "unsubcribed" two times now for other people's = mailboxes being too full (?they're on vacation or something?) . . . i = get ousted for their boxes bouncing my message. i remember that someone = else had this same problem about a month or so ago.

anyone else have this problem?


stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C14AA2.01047030-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 14:47:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18038; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 14:46:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 14:46:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BB8D3C2.DBB939F4@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 20:36:18 +0000 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: drum machine / groovebox RM1X References: <200110010028.UAA32084@hemlock.violacea.com> <3.0.6.32.20011001142720.00a25b10@mail.dragonet.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Raul My sequencer of looping live choice is the Yamihay RM1x great sequencer. all works in patterns, you switch between them with fS or with the 16 dedicated buttons or by syx you can mute tracks on the fly, tweak filters, shift the position of tracks regarding the beat etc... the sounds are ok but only LR out. the sequencer is top for on the spot remixes, live tweaking I use it as a sync master or slave to my stereo Plexi pair. syncs wonderfully both way. the pattern mode alows me to program my fx automations as loops (EDP included) I have it since 2 years and will not sell it (probably will buy a sampler for replacing some of the sounds) the included music are musical snippets that loop. those phrases are fun to have for instant gratification when startin the dm machine synced to the loop you just created. but I always end working on them in cubase or doing new ones from scratch when I freese a song I bought it with looping, improvising and filter/fx sequencing in mind and am very creative and productive with it. It will work 100% with the upcomming new EDP soft. wich BTW goes further than anything dreamed when speaking looper/sequencer integration/relations Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 14:55:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18634; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 14:54:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 14:54:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: rebirth and reason? Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:47:05 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The latest version of Recycle is pretty cool, and worth a second look. I believe its the only program that will create and edit Rex files. Neil Goldstein Portland, Oregon > -----Original Message----- > From: rich [mailto:rich@nuvisionsca.com] > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 11:25 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: rebirth and reason? > > > duh....sorry. i meant to say Recycle...sure i did...it just slipped > > (putting my crash helmet back on) > > anywho, are there any other audio editors that export REX files? any > free/shareware (high hopes, there, i imagine)? > > rich > > > >Recycle > > > > > >Neil Goldstein > >Portland, Oregon > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: rich [mailto:rich@nuvisionsca.com] > >> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 10:25 AM > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> Subject: OT: rebirth and reason? > >> > >> > >> hey all, > >> > >> just started using reason, but i'm stuck on the Dr. Rex loop player. > >> > >> Is there other software that can create/convert to the REX files > >> needed for this, other than Rebirth? I'm not really interested in > >> Rebirth much, so i would prefer to use something else to convert .wav > >> and .aif files that i have stored for use in Dr. Rex. > >> > >> thanks in advance, > >> > >> rich > >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 15:03:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19079; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 15:01:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 15:01:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c14aab$3568acc0$0301a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: Subject: Re: rebirth and reason? Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:59:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rich neglects to mention he is on a Mac. Probably out of pure shame. ;) C ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich" To: Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 11:24 AM Subject: RE: rebirth and reason? > duh....sorry. i meant to say Recycle...sure i did...it just slipped > > (putting my crash helmet back on) > > anywho, are there any other audio editors that export REX files? any > free/shareware (high hopes, there, i imagine)? > > rich > > > >Recycle > > > > > >Neil Goldstein > >Portland, Oregon > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: rich [mailto:rich@nuvisionsca.com] > >> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 10:25 AM > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> Subject: OT: rebirth and reason? > >> > >> > >> hey all, > >> > >> just started using reason, but i'm stuck on the Dr. Rex loop player. > >> > >> Is there other software that can create/convert to the REX files > >> needed for this, other than Rebirth? I'm not really interested in > >> Rebirth much, so i would prefer to use something else to convert .wav > >> and .aif files that i have stored for use in Dr. Rex. > >> > >> thanks in advance, > >> > >> rich > >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 15:33:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20815; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 15:32:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 15:32:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BB8C47B.43AF7FE8@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 12:31:07 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: rebirth and reason? References: <002601c14aab$3568acc0$0301a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3_-9bC.A.hEF.PSMu7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Or perhaps out of kindness as to not embarrass the people here that spent money on Bills latest piece of crap software. I've been running Mac OSX for a few weeks now, and franky, nothing from Microsoft comes close. I always wonder why people all agree that Microsoft is evil, yet will continually cut down any of it's compatation. Weird. It's like not being able to get out of an abusive relationship. I use both Macs and PCs at home and at work, and the Macs are clearly better, in my opinion. Now that people are writing OSX native apps, I'll change that to, Macs are in fact better in every way. Mark Sottilaro "Clifford@BienAppraisers" wrote: > Rich neglects to mention he is on a Mac. Probably out of pure shame. ;) > > C > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rich" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 11:24 AM > Subject: RE: rebirth and reason? > > > duh....sorry. i meant to say Recycle...sure i did...it just slipped > > > > (putting my crash helmet back on) > > > > anywho, are there any other audio editors that export REX files? any > > free/shareware (high hopes, there, i imagine)? > > > > rich > > > > > > >Recycle > > > > > > > > >Neil Goldstein > > >Portland, Oregon > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: rich [mailto:rich@nuvisionsca.com] > > >> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 10:25 AM > > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >> Subject: OT: rebirth and reason? > > >> > > >> > > >> hey all, > > >> > > >> just started using reason, but i'm stuck on the Dr. Rex loop player. > > >> > > >> Is there other software that can create/convert to the REX files > > >> needed for this, other than Rebirth? I'm not really interested in > > >> Rebirth much, so i would prefer to use something else to convert .wav > > >> and .aif files that i have stored for use in Dr. Rex. > > >> > > >> thanks in advance, > > >> > > >> rich > > >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 15:51:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21791; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 15:50:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 15:50:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3BB8C47B.43AF7FE8@zerocrossing.net> References: <002601c14aab$3568acc0$0301a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> <3BB8C47B.43AF7FE8@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 12:47:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: rebirth and reason? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mark, hahaha! good intentions aside...please don't start any flame wars over this PC/Mac thing... especially over a smart ass comment from Cliff that was designed to get a reaction from me, i'm sure...not as a overall slam against Mac users... Cliff is just a little touchy, ya know? he knows well enough i will kick his ass next time i see him... all in all, he's been a big help with my Mac shame, however... He put me on a steady diet of IRQ conflicts, and i've felt better ever since! Still trying to get him to wear his "Cubase blows" t-shirt, but he's a little stubborn. later, rich >Or perhaps out of kindness as to not embarrass the people here that spent >money on Bills latest piece of crap software. I've been running Mac OSX for a >few weeks now, and franky, nothing from Microsoft comes close. > >I always wonder why people all agree that Microsoft is evil, yet will >continually cut down any of it's compatation. Weird. It's like not being >able to get out of an abusive relationship. I use both Macs and PCs at home >and at work, and the Macs are clearly better, in my opinion. Now that people >are writing OSX native apps, I'll change that to, Macs are in fact better in >every way. > >Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 15:54:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22074; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 15:53:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 15:53:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AALev123@aol.com Message-ID: <159.1d96843.28ea238f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 15:52:47 EDT Subject: Repeater/tone changes when preamp changes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_159.1d96843.28ea238f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_159.1d96843.28ea238f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am experiencing a change in the tone of a looped passage when I change the patch of my preamp. For example, I lay down a 4 bar clean chorus part and it loops back fine. However, I change the preset on my preamp to a distorted patch the clean looped passage keeps playing but the tonal characteristics completely change. My preamp(digitech 2120) is before the repeater in the signal chain. I am using a DMC GCX switcher and ground control. The repeater is in loop 8 all by itself. Shouldn't the new stuff just get mixed in with the old already looping part? Why would changing patches on my preamp have any affect on the tone of the already recorded looping part. P.S. Digital Music Corp said it is not the GCX. Thanks --part1_159.1d96843.28ea238f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am experiencing  a change in the tone of a looped passage when I change the patch of my preamp. For example, I lay down a 4 bar clean chorus part and it loops back fine. However, I change the preset on my preamp to a distorted patch the clean looped passage keeps playing but the tonal characteristics completely change. My preamp(digitech 2120) is before the repeater in the signal chain. I am using a DMC GCX switcher and ground control. The repeater is in loop 8 all by itself. Shouldn't the new stuff just get mixed in with the old already looping part? Why would changing patches on my preamp have any affect on the tone of the already recorded looping part. P.S. Digital Music Corp said it is not the GCX. Thanks --part1_159.1d96843.28ea238f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 15:55:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22114; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 15:54:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 15:54:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011001122230.047d75e8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 12:51:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: reply sometimes not to the list?++++ In-Reply-To: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D007419F@mitorexch01.maritz. com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <0eT2zC.A.cYF.pmMu7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steuart, this time, your email address really was bouncing all weekend so the list server unsubscribed you. In fact, I was still getting bounce reports from your domain this morning. It did happen before that someone's mail server was sending incorrectly formatted bounce messages, which confused our list server into unsubscribing the wrong people's address. I pointed out that problem to the person and it hasn't happened since. I do watch for that now. also, as previously noted, technical problems with the list can be brought to my attention directly. You don't have to send it to the whole list to tell me if something is wrong. kim At 10:53 AM 10/1/2001, Liebig, Steuart A. wrote: >howdy, > >this happens to me, too. i try to remember to look at the addressee before >i hit send in my normal knee-jerk reaction. > >another thing that happens - - i've been automatically "unsubcribed" two >times now for other people's mailboxes being too full (?they're on >vacation or something?) . . . i get ousted for their boxes bouncing my >message. i remember that someone else had this same problem about a month >or so ago. > >anyone else have this problem? > >stig ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 16:06:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22840; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 16:04:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 16:04:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 15:03:30 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: rebirth and reason? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01b301c14ab4$25cec0c0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <002601c14aab$3568acc0$0301a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> <3BB8C47B.43AF7FE8@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >... nothing from Microsoft comes close. > > I always wonder why people all agree that Microsoft is evil, yet will > continually cut down any of it's compatation. ... here we go again. i don't think microsoft is evil. i think you have to be a programmer to really get the giant leaps they are responsible for... sure, apple was the first to make the gui thing work for home users. i worked for apple in carrolton when they did just that. (in fact, it was my idea! i said, "i know you need me on the assembly line, but xerox is really on to something...") >... compatation... innuvvazion! alright, don't flame me, i'm shutting up now... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 16:14:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22940; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 16:05:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 16:05:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.114.206] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: rebirth and reason? Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 15:04:41 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2001 20:04:42.0145 (UTC) FILETIME=[4EE78910:01C14AB4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Duh... ReCycle ? Are you using ReCycle 2.0.5 ... are you on a Mac or PC, how much money do you want to spend.... I can write you an edit script in C++ that will mimic "ReCyCle"..... but I digress. Lucien E. Darthard A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It. http://ldarthard.ohgo.com/ ----Original Message Follows---- From: rich Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: rebirth and reason? Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 10:25:15 -0700 hey all, just started using reason, but i'm stuck on the Dr. Rex loop player. Is there other software that can create/convert to the REX files needed for this, other than Rebirth? I'm not really interested in Rebirth much, so i would prefer to use something else to convert .wav and .aif files that i have stored for use in Dr. Rex. thanks in advance, rich _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 16:15:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23491; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 16:13:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 16:13:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: OT: drum machine / groovebox RM1X --> EDP soft Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 22:12:18 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3BB8D3C2.DBB939F4@vtx.ch> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > It will work 100% with the upcomming new EDP soft. wich BTW goes further > than anything dreamed when speaking looper/sequencer > integration/relations > > Claude > Is there a place to find more information on the upcoming new EDP software? All the best Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 16:16:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23608; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 16:14:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 16:14:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BB8CBC5.3C89822F@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 16:02:13 -0400 From: "roguemus@ix.netcom.com" Organization: Rogue Music X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Used Repeater References: <002601c14aab$3568acc0$0301a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> <3BB8C47B.43AF7FE8@zerocrossing.net> <01b301c14ab4$25cec0c0$080210ac@jpalmer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Apparently-From: RogueStore@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Got a used one for $475 plus shipping Dick Michaels Rogue Music NYC http://www.roguemusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 16:17:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23725; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 16:15:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 16:15:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.59.219.147] From: "CLIFTON HYDE" To: Subject: FS: Roland GR1 and GR30 Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 15:16:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 6.10.0016.1624 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0002_01C14A8C.04345560" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2001 20:14:30.0520 (UTC) FILETIME=[AD9A6F80:01C14AB5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C14A8C.04345560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -Roland GR1 Expanded guitar synth w/mem card, pwr supply, and manual =20 $225 -Roland GR30 guitar synth $300 both are in great condition and i will sell them both for an even $500 or= will trade both for a Roland VG8EX. email me at airdhyde@msn.com if interested. thanks, -c l i f t o n -"The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic = hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. 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------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C14A8C.04345560-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 16:23:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24312; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 16:21:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 16:21:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BB8D031.423721E5@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 13:21:04 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: rebirth and reason? References: <002601c14aab$3568acc0$0301a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> <3BB8C47B.43AF7FE8@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No, I agree that Mac vs. PC is basically a holy war, as is Repeater vs. EDP. Can't we all just get along? There's room for everyone in cyberspace. I want a Cubase blows teeshirt! I thought everyone loved it, but I never felt it was comfortable to work with. Seems like it's trying too hard to emulate hardware, and it should drop that fake gear interface when it's not appropreate. I kind of feel the same way about Rebirth and Reason. Why won't Reason allow me to record a bass loop in realtime via midi? Who knows. I only end up using it at work where we don't have any audio hardware, and I need some music in a pinch, otherwise it pretty much lays dormant. Mark Sottilaro rich wrote: > mark, > > hahaha! good intentions aside...please don't start any flame wars > over this PC/Mac thing... > > especially over a smart ass comment from Cliff that was designed to > get a reaction from me, i'm sure...not as a overall slam against Mac > users... > > Cliff is just a little touchy, ya know? he knows well enough i will > kick his ass next time i see him... > > all in all, he's been a big help with my Mac shame, however... > > He put me on a steady diet of IRQ conflicts, and i've felt better > ever since! Still trying to get him to wear his "Cubase blows" > t-shirt, but he's a little stubborn. > > later, > > rich > > >Or perhaps out of kindness as to not embarrass the people here that spent > >money on Bills latest piece of crap software. I've been running Mac OSX for a > >few weeks now, and franky, nothing from Microsoft comes close. > > > >I always wonder why people all agree that Microsoft is evil, yet will > >continually cut down any of it's compatation. Weird. It's like not being > >able to get out of an abusive relationship. I use both Macs and PCs at home > >and at work, and the Macs are clearly better, in my opinion. Now that people > >are writing OSX native apps, I'll change that to, Macs are in fact better in > >every way. > > > >Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 16:24:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24507; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 16:23:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 16:23:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 15:22:53 -0500 (CDT) From: fretwire To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DL4's placement in chain? In-Reply-To: <015f01c14a90$6b5baa00$46065cd1@-> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 1 Oct 2001, Bill Fox wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: fretwire > >I have effects in front and behind the DL4 with great results and I have > >never experienced the I/O problems that people report. > > What effects do you use after the DL4? > I have a boss tremolo/pan, digitech RDS4000, Lexicon MPX100 and an EDP after the DL4. -- travis salisbury http://www.illuminetdesign.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 16:26:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24745; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 16:25:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 16:25:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BB8E983.9A833064@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 22:09:07 +0000 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Used Repeater References: <002601c14aab$3568acc0$0301a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> <3BB8C47B.43AF7FE8@zerocrossing.net> <01b301c14ab4$25cec0c0$080210ac@jpalmer> <3BB8CBC5.3C89822F@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "roguemus@ix.netcom.com" wrote: > > Got a used one for $475 plus shipping > > Dick Michaels > Rogue Music NYC > http://www.roguemusic.com here we go... put it on ebay sorry could'nt resist (smiling humanoid face drawn with asci caracters trying to picture the big grin I'm having on my face right now) Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 16:29:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24916; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 16:28:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 16:28:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BB8D1B6.177CE2DE@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 13:27:34 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater/tone changes when preamp changes References: <159.1d96843.28ea238f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Huh, that is weird. I use the 2120 as a preamp as well, and have not had that experience. Jon's got a couple as well, and I have not heard anything out of him since he bought his Repeater. Could it possibily be that the Repeater is getting a midi message to open it's FX loop or something else when you change patches? Mark Sottilaro AALev123@aol.com wrote: > I am experiencing a change in the tone of a looped passage when I > change the patch of my preamp. For example, I lay down a 4 bar clean > chorus part and it loops back fine. However, I change the preset on my > preamp to a distorted patch the clean looped passage keeps playing but > the tonal characteristics completely change. My preamp(digitech 2120) > is before the repeater in the signal chain. I am using a DMC GCX > switcher and ground control. The repeater is in loop 8 all by itself. > Shouldn't the new stuff just get mixed in with the old already looping > part? Why would changing patches on my preamp have any affect on the > tone of the already recorded looping part. P.S. Digital Music Corp > said it is not the GCX. Thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 16:32:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25156; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 16:31:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 16:31:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BB8D253.A77E095B@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 13:30:10 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: rebirth and reason? References: <002601c14aab$3568acc0$0301a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> <3BB8C47B.43AF7FE8@zerocrossing.net> <01b301c14ab4$25cec0c0$080210ac@jpalmer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com woops, I meant competition. jim palmer wrote: > >... nothing from Microsoft comes close. > > > > I always wonder why people all agree that Microsoft is evil, yet will > > continually cut down any of it's compatation. > ... > > here we go again. > i don't think microsoft is evil. > i think you have to be a programmer to really get the giant leaps they > are responsible for... > > sure, apple was the first to make the gui thing work for home users. > i worked for apple in carrolton when they did just that. > (in fact, it was my idea! i said, "i know you need me on the > assembly line, but xerox is really on to something...") > > >... compatation... > > innuvvazion! > > alright, don't flame me, i'm shutting up now... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 16:42:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25573; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 16:40:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 16:40:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PA5CALIO@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 16:39:13 EDT Subject: AKAI S20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a0.1b2b5039.28ea2e71_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10012 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_a0.1b2b5039.28ea2e71_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey everyone, Akai makes bad adaptors, and the copper wire inside the wire of my Akai S20's adaptor broke. I attempted to fix it and actually did. Then, mysteriously, it stopped working again. I finally got around to buying a replacement adaptor (from radio shack not an akai $50 adaptor). To my dismay it dind't work, which leads me to believe that the sampler is short circuited. Here's where your help comes in. 1) Does anyone have any idea what could have happened? 2) If so how much would it cost to repair if it is repairable? 3) Lastly, if it is broken, does anyone have an Akai s20 they are willing to part with for a reasonable price? sincerely, The Very Poor Brooklyn Teen known as Pascal Abidor. --part1_a0.1b2b5039.28ea2e71_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey everyone,
    Akai makes bad adaptors, and the copper wire inside the wire of my Akai S20's adaptor broke.  I attempted to fix it and actually did.  Then, mysteriously, it stopped working again.  I finally got around to buying a replacement adaptor (from radio shack not an akai $50 adaptor).  To my dismay it dind't work, which leads me to believe that the sampler is short circuited.  Here's where your help comes in.

1) Does anyone have any idea what could have happened? 
2) If so how much would it cost to repair if it is repairable?
3) Lastly, if it is broken, does anyone have an Akai s20 they are willing to part with for a reasonable price?

sincerely,
The Very Poor Brooklyn Teen known as Pascal Abidor. --part1_a0.1b2b5039.28ea2e71_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 16:44:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25741; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 16:42:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 16:42:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BB8ECEA.102FFC4A@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 22:23:38 +0000 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Question on EDP: Non volatile memory? References: <20011001064853.YUQJ18284.femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > Yeah, you're right, the EDP hardware should never change, it should stay > exactly like it is forever.... Hah ha ha hah ha ha ha! You fools! Soon > a new generation of loopage will appear aided by a machine called The > Repeater. It will transcend your tiny ideas of what a looper should > be. Ha ha hahh ahhah aha ha, we will rule the world! YOU FOOLS! If gibson just understood what they have in hand and put some money in the EDP2 the repeater would'nt even exist as all the cool functions would have been already there > I dare anyone to find a piece of software for a Wintel or Mac OS box > that will do what the Repeater does in REAL TIME (as in suitable for a > performance) (software that needs additional hardware cards to run need > not apply) > > Granted, the EDP is a very mature product, however it's really been > without any real competition for a very long time. Me thinks that has > changed. If anyone here really believes that these two products aren't > in direct competition with each other, you're asleep. NO NO its the difference between a 20 and 30 year woman were talkin here not the same use, nor the same vibe. next soft will target the 40 year woman experience I will stay there for some more 10 years of my own... >There are those > among us that can and will buy one of each flavor, I will >but I believe the > vast majority of non professional musicians will be forced to make a > choice, as I was. Ah "non professional" .... > The two big features that pushed me over to the > Repeater side were non volatile memory (not to mention significantly > higher memory capability) for sure is better at 20 >and stereo loop capability. I only play stereo but no steroids >I'm VERY glad I held out. One must live with its choices.. I'm a Live player.. Claude hey I almost forgot ;=);=);=);=);=);=);=);=);=);=);=);=);=);=);=);=);=);=);=);=);=);=);=);=);=);=);=);=):=D From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 17:09:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27137; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 17:08:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 17:08:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BB8DB0C.C86DACC0@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 14:07:24 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Question on EDP: Non volatile memory? References: <20011001064853.YUQJ18284.femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com@localhost> <3BB8ECEA.102FFC4A@vtx.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Claude Voit wrote: > > >but I believe the > > vast majority of non professional musicians will be forced to make a > > choice, as I was. > > Ah "non professional" .... I probably should have said, "...vast majority of musicians..." as most are non professional judging by the loop for money thread, and being a pro musician doesn't mean you can afford a lot of gear. Most that I know can't. Things are getting awful tight around these parts, I don't know how the rest of you are doing cash wise. Last week they did big layoff here, and lots of very smart people I know are looking for work, or taking jobs below their skill level. I've been lucky so far, but my wife has not. She went from designer for Manix (the interactive media branch of the company that did the effects for The Matrix) to an office errand girl. Have any of us been hit by what's going on? Maybe ground zero of the silicon rush (San Francisco) is a bad place to be right now for people that work in the field of Digital Media. How's the rest of the country doing? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 17:13:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27459; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 17:12:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 17:12:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BB8DC24.B5BC30E8@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 14:12:03 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Question on EDP: Non volatile memory? References: <20011001064853.YUQJ18284.femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com@localhost> <3BB8ECEA.102FFC4A@vtx.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Claude Voit wrote: If gibson just understood what they have in hand and put some money in > the EDP2 > the repeater would'nt even exist as all the cool functions would have > been already there my point exactly. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 17:24:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28614; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 17:23:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 17:23:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011001171807.007e9410@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 17:18:07 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: reply sometimes not to the list?++++ In-Reply-To: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D007419F@mitorexch01.maritz. com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:53 PM 10/1/01 -0400, you wrote: >i >remember that someone else had this same problem [automatic unsubscription] about a month or so ago. That might have been my post. What happened was that my ISP had an outage, so for the better part of a day my e-mail address didn't exist, hence bounceage. Unfortunately, the only way I knew something was wrong was when I didn't get any LD messages... -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 17:58:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31072; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 17:57:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 17:57:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00dc01c14ac3$c9b75d00$0200a8c0@wienerdog> Reply-To: "Funkay" From: "Funkay" To: References: <002601c14aab$3568acc0$0301a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> <3BB8C47B.43AF7FE8@zerocrossing.net> <01b301c14ab4$25cec0c0$080210ac@jpalmer> <3BB8CBC5.3C89822F@ix.netcom.com> <3BB8E983.9A833064@vtx.ch> Subject: Here we go... EDP vs. Repeater Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 14:55:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <4PjqvC.A.xkH.raOu7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've worked with the EDP on many occasions, I'm familiar with how it works and how to use it live. My live performances are usually just me with a small drumset, a couple guitars, bass, keyboards etc...+ an EDP and mixer. I like the way the echoplex works in this situation but Its still a little too complex for me to be as spontaneous as I want to be, plus issues with the mono thing and the footpedal self-destructing. I just don't feel comfortable with it. I would like to get a Reapeter after reading up on it, but I dont have a clue how it would compare or how well it would fit in with the way I like to perform. Can someone tell me the basic differences between the two? I don't want to start a big argument on which is 'better', but it may be inevitable... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 18:15:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31912; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 18:13:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 18:13:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 17:12:54 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Question on EDP: Non volatile memory? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <020a01c14ac6$3bf75710$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20011001064853.YUQJ18284.femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com@localhost> <3BB8ECEA.102FFC4A@vtx.ch> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > NO NO its the difference between a 20 and 30 year woman were talkin here > not the same use, nor the same vibe. what do you mean by "use" for a 20 year old woman? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 18:35:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00932; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 18:34:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 18:34:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.75] From: "G716" To: "Funkay" , References: <002601c14aab$3568acc0$0301a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> <3BB8C47B.43AF7FE8@zerocrossing.net> <01b301c14ab4$25cec0c0$080210ac@jpalmer> <3BB8CBC5.3C89822F@ix.netcom.com> <3BB8E983.9A833064@vtx.ch> <00dc01c14ac3$c9b75d00$0200a8c0@wienerdog> Subject: Re: Here we go... EDP vs. Repeater Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 15:33:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2001 22:33:08.0781 (UTC) FILETIME=[0BAC55D0:01C14AC9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Can someone tell me the basic differences between the two? Sure: Repeater: Acid (the software) in a hardware setup. Brand new, still working out some issues and improvements. Promising addition for loopers. EDP: Ultimate delay unit on steroids. Battle tested and proven successful history. Anything beyond that requires numerous paragraphs, user testing for your own specific uses as they're different beasts, or perhaps a lengthy read through the detailed archives of this DL .... Also, trying to answer much beyond that really would be like discussing politics or religion. Everybody has their own definition of a given feature and its subjective superiority. I own 'em both and can recommend 'em both. > and the [EDP] footpedal self-destructing. What? I had no idea this was an issue. I've never had problems. Plus, the foot-pedal was designed to be easily replaceable and customizable with minimal soldering experience. Then again, you don't have to have the foot-pedal companion -- you could always use a number of 3rd party midi pedals, which is the same thing you'll have to do with the Repeater. Good luck. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 18:45:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01580; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 18:44:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 18:44:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <020a01c14ac6$3bf75710$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <20011001064853.YUQJ18284.femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com@localhost> <3BB8ECEA.102FFC4A@vtx.ch> <020a01c14ac6$3bf75710$080210ac@jpalmer> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 15:41:41 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Question on EDP: Non volatile memory? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i was curious on this one too... are you saying that 20 year old women and 30 year old women have completely different vibes and uses? huh? is this supposed to symbolize the 10 year span between the release of the edp and the repeater? that the newer, younger version has some sort of different use or vibe to it? what are you supposed to do with the old one? keep it around for posterity and fond memories while you rock on with the new? is this about gear or women? will my wife understand this? how old are YOU? rich > > NO NO its the difference between a 20 and 30 year woman were talkin here >> not the same use, nor the same vibe. > >what do you mean by "use" for a 20 year old woman? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 19:30:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03558; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 19:28:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 19:28:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 16:27:48 -0800 Subject: Re: Question on EDP: Non volatile memory? From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i luv the smell of sexist rhetoric in the morning. would someone please getahold... s on 10/1/01 2:41 PM, rich at rich@nuvisionsca.com wrote: > i was curious on this one too... > > are you saying that 20 year old women and 30 year old women have > completely different vibes and uses? > > huh? > > is this supposed to symbolize the 10 year span between the release of > the edp and the repeater? that the newer, younger version has some > sort of different use or vibe to it? what are you supposed to do > with the old one? keep it around for posterity and fond memories > while you rock on with the new? > > is this about gear or women? > > will my wife understand this? > > how old are YOU? > > rich > > > >>> NO NO its the difference between a 20 and 30 year woman were talkin here >>> not the same use, nor the same vibe. >> >> what do you mean by "use" for a 20 year old woman? >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 23:54:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15448; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 23:51:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 23:51:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 21:14:21 -0700 From: glenn Subject: Re: rebirth and reason? In-reply-to: <3BB8D031.423721E5@zerocrossing.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well I love cubase and Reason for it's mac like intuitiveness. Most people i know like Logic Audio (mostly cause it has a [way] better built in reverb), but i couldn't give a toss about any programs that aren't intuitive, cause all that stuff just takes up headroom that i could use to be creative musically instead of technically(left brain versus right, or better left versus harmonious balance). Cubase is great! Maybe the effects in Reason don't seem so great, but since you can route them through ReWire to Cubase and do whatever you want with them it's not that big of a deal. More importantly, it seems like 100 percent of the people i know who have tried and like or not like eason to any degree had never, ever, really truly explored it. What i mean is this: If you just look at it like bunch of software gear and start comparing features to existing gear then ultimately it will seem inferior and in any case it will be devalued in your mind. Perhaps the immaculate attention to detail and intuitive design are partially to blame for distracting people from what that program is, and so they never see the big picture: The big picture, as i see it, is that Reason is a modular synth. If you're spending most of your time looking at the front of the rack then you're missing out, kind of like spending a day at Disneyland and just sitting on the benches there and not going on any rides or attractions, in which case you missed the beauty. patch some crazy routings! You can patch anything, man. You can use say about 5 pattern sequencers-set to "curve" on the back and patched into things like "FM amount", Filter cutoff, echo panning, parametric eq filter frequency, pitch, etc and create sounds a person with a fairlight(at least a series IIx back in the day) would only have dreamed about. The levels of "looping" of influences of one piece of gear's signals cascading into the next and so on and then back can be intoxicating leave you blown away , but I bet you'll have a whole new perspective on this instrument if you'll try it this way, in it's entirety, as an instrument. Sincerely, Glenn Long live Reason and Cubase and Macs and PC's. p.s. Why is there no audio in anymore on macs, was this to save QA costs?? What's the deal with the totally exposed "quicksilver" speaker that begs kids to poke in the cone and why is there no paper clip cd ejection possibility on quicksilver machine's either? With those items mentioned, Mac rules too!! we made computers to make life easier, to the extent they do the opposite, they are a failure. Macs are designed down to the drivers to be efficient, intuitive, creative tools. Again if you really get in there and see what you can do without having to go through a bunch of cryptic BS it's hard not to love them. on 10/1/01 1:21 PM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > No, I agree that Mac vs. PC is basically a holy war, as is Repeater vs. EDP. > Can't we all just get along? There's room for everyone in cyberspace. > > I want a Cubase blows teeshirt! I thought everyone loved it, but I never felt > it > was comfortable to work with. Seems like it's trying too hard to emulate > hardware, and it should drop that fake gear interface when it's not > appropreate. > I kind of feel the same way about Rebirth and Reason. Why won't Reason allow > me > to record a bass loop in realtime via midi? Who knows. I only end up using > it at > work where we don't have any audio hardware, and I need some music in a pinch, > otherwise it pretty much lays dormant. > > Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 00:16:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA16397; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 00:15:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 00:15:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 00:14:18 -0400 Subject: Re:two minds From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200110010959.FAA26209@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3084826458_2730733_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3084826458_2730733_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Could it actually call for two separate lists? Naah, it's much more interesting this way -- I like the cross-fertilization. --MS_Mac_OE_3084826458_2730733_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re:two minds Could it actually call for
two separate lists?

Naah, it's much more interesting this way -- I like the cross-fertil= ization.
 --MS_Mac_OE_3084826458_2730733_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 01:54:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA19823; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 01:53:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 01:53:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004d01c14b06$1f547440$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Eric Williamson" From: "Eric Williamson" To: Subject: not quite OT at this point: Question on EDP: Non volatile memory? Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 00:50:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >i luv the smell of sexist rhetoric in the morning. >would someone please getahold... i think that it can be summed up much better by one who speaks english as a first language (i mean, claude _does_ have a .ch on the end of his email address). let me reiterate for him. and since i _am_ male, this is coming from a male perspective. i can't vouch for the opposite sex. A relationship (for me) with a 30 year old woman will be (almost as a rule) much smoother than a relationship with a 20 year old woman. However, there are 2 issues here: a) i don't usually think of having a "relationship" with the tools, the relationship is between the audience, the music, and i. the tools are tools. b) i'm reminded of the .mp3 i found on Napster labelled simply "Klaus Schulze/Robert Fripp - The Looper Is Not A Hooker". but, i do see where he is coming from. his comments are totally acceptable for me, and if you want to read something offensive go on over to AH and read what Old Krabby Karlheinz Stockhausen Himself had to say about the World Trade Center b/s. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 02:53:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA21752; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 02:52:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 02:52:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BB964D6.A1507336@tapehissrecordings.com> Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 02:55:18 -0400 From: Scott Carr Organization: Tapehiss Recordings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD BA45DSL (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: two minds References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Agreed. Steve Sandberg wrote: > > Could it actually call for > two separate lists? > > Naah, it's much more interesting this way -- I like the > cross-fertilization. -- ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% Visit the the home of Hebephrenic, The Hot Buttered Elves, & Sunshine http://www.tapehissrecordings.com and our sites at the worlds largest online cut-out bin http://mp3.com/hotbutteredelves http://mp3.com/hebephrenica http://mp3.com/sunshineallthetime ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 05:19:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA26067; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 05:17:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 05:17:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <9b.1bc72d36.28eae017@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 05:17:11 EDT Subject: Re: Kim on EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Ok, it's possible, :- stop noodling; push on pedal; hit Insert. > > that's right. although I don't see why you have to stop noodling. :-) The > whole idea is that you could do this while you continue to play. > The original idea was to create a loop with a number of repeats using Multiply meanwhile noodling), then go straight into Insert and be recording. As Noodling is a strictly non-loop related practise it must be stopped before Insert can be used. > >I haven't found a use for Quantise yet, as I don't use a dum machine. > >................I mean drum machine > > Quantize has nothing to do with drum machines! It is just a question of how > you approach rhythm in manipulating loops. Well I find it pretty much imposible to Insert with Quantise=on if the cycle is a couple of seconds or over, that sort of metronomic precision isn't part of my abilities, (particularly not in a live setting) The ends just don't quite match up. With a drum machine this would be easy, and using Quantize would be essential. After struggling to record multiple loops on the JamMan without the 'added assistance' of the drum machine , the EDP is a total relief.(it's just about possible on the JM, but the error compounds with each new loop) Oh yes, and Quantised Reverse is cool, especially on one of a pair of EDPs. >. Usually people who use loops in more > structured rhythmic music like this mode. Unless the structure is too complex for Quantise. > unquantized is probably for you. The cycle boundaries don't really matter > anymore and you freely execute things where you feel it. This usually > appeals to more ambient styles, and soloists. I like the freedom to Multiply without Quantise as I often start a phrase before the beginning of the bar,(or a note before the beat), then Multiply is still "quantised" in terms of the Cycle length. > >Isn't the feedback setup different in Delay Mode too? > no, the feedback is exactly the same in both cases. Don't know where I got that from?!?! > >Can I pester Matthias for a MIDI controlled input mute to conpensate? > you can try, but it will be your fault that the LoopIV software takes > longer to finish. :-) It wasn't me, it was Claude ;-) > andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 05:19:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA26068; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 05:17:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 05:17:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <84.1c48c8b3.28eae018@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 05:17:12 EDT Subject: Re: COMPUTER PLUGINS for LOOP PROCESSING: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <7EGdfC.A.4WG.dYYu7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My personal favourite is the Pitch Bender in Cool Edit Pro. sorry it's not free Rick! Best trick is loop duplicate a small section, then run it through the Pitch Bender, which allows you to specify pitch bends over 10 octaves. A bit like scratching or playing with the reels on a tape deck, but very reminiscent of the optical disk tone generator used by Stockhausen in Kontakte. You can speed the loop up till it becomes a waveform (and so on). andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 06:29:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA28177; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 06:28:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 06:28:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.119.35] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: COMPUTER PLUGINS forSCRATCH EFFECTS Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 05:27:23 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2001 10:27:24.0363 (UTC) FILETIME=[D39731B0:01C14B2C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, this is one of my favorites also.... I use the "Turntable Loosing Power" setting a LOT. It adds dramatic flare to my mixes, and gives them their "analog" feel. I do wish there was a DirectX Plugin that could replicate the Ryhmatic Scrathing abilities of a Dj. Fruity Scratcher SUX, and the Cool Edid Pro Plugins can't reproduce the sound (propperly). The closest to a digitally scratch is the OTSJuke Scratch Sampler, but that is so cumbersome to apply... any folks out there heard of any thing in Plugin Land that will do this ? Lucien E. Darthard A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It. http://ldarthard.ohgo.com/ ----Original Message Follows---- From: SoundFNR@aol.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: COMPUTER PLUGINS for LOOP PROCESSING: Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 05:17:12 EDT My personal favourite is the Pitch Bender in Cool Edit Pro. sorry it's not free Rick! Best trick is loop duplicate a small section, then run it through the Pitch Bender, which allows you to specify pitch bends over 10 octaves. A bit like scratching or playing with the reels on a tape deck, but very reminiscent of the optical disk tone generator used by Stockhausen in Kontakte. You can speed the loop up till it becomes a waveform (and so on). andy butler _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 06:43:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA29037; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 06:42:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 06:42:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.119.35] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: rebirth and reason? Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 05:41:08 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2001 10:41:08.0881 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF0AA810:01C14B2E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You have made some good points on the Mac, and those seem like design flaws, or maybe the Mac folks are so pretentious to believe that Mac owners don't have kids, that might be "curious" about the inner workings of the speaker... who knows. Maybe it's a ploy, so that when your kids poke out the membrane, you'd get a up-scale speaker model, with better protection ? Reason, vs ReBirth vs Logic Audio vs Orion vs Fruity Loops, Vs ACID vs Reaktor... it's all software. I know folks that can produce opera's in Fruity Loops (well, just some hellified music), and some who work production magic in Reason, it's all one's preference. You made a very poignant point, it all boils down to whether or not an app is intuitive, well thought out, and useful to the user at hand. (When it comes to effects, there are VST and DirectX plugins that will punch up any audio app's inherent effects processor). Lucien E. Darthard A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It. http://ldarthard.ohgo.com/ ----Original Message Follows---- From: glenn Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: rebirth and reason? Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 21:14:21 -0700 Well I love cubase and Reason for it's mac like intuitiveness. Most people i know like Logic Audio (mostly cause it has a [way] better built in reverb), but i couldn't give a toss about any programs that aren't intuitive, cause all that stuff just takes up headroom that i could use to be creative musically instead of technically(left brain versus right, or better left versus harmonious balance). Cubase is great! Maybe the effects in Reason don't seem so great, but since you can route them through ReWire to Cubase and do whatever you want with them it's not that big of a deal. More importantly, it seems like 100 percent of the people i know who have tried and like or not like eason to any degree had never, ever, really truly explored it. What i mean is this: If you just look at it like bunch of software gear and start comparing features to existing gear then ultimately it will seem inferior and in any case it will be devalued in your mind. Perhaps the immaculate attention to detail and intuitive design are partially to blame for distracting people from what that program is, and so they never see the big picture: The big picture, as i see it, is that Reason is a modular synth. If you're spending most of your time looking at the front of the rack then you're missing out, kind of like spending a day at Disneyland and just sitting on the benches there and not going on any rides or attractions, in which case you missed the beauty. patch some crazy routings! You can patch anything, man. You can use say about 5 pattern sequencers-set to "curve" on the back and patched into things like "FM amount", Filter cutoff, echo panning, parametric eq filter frequency, pitch, etc and create sounds a person with a fairlight(at least a series IIx back in the day) would only have dreamed about. The levels of "looping" of influences of one piece of gear's signals cascading into the next and so on and then back can be intoxicating leave you blown away , but I bet you'll have a whole new perspective on this instrument if you'll try it this way, in it's entirety, as an instrument. Sincerely, Glenn Long live Reason and Cubase and Macs and PC's. p.s. Why is there no audio in anymore on macs, was this to save QA costs?? What's the deal with the totally exposed "quicksilver" speaker that begs kids to poke in the cone and why is there no paper clip cd ejection possibility on quicksilver machine's either? With those items mentioned, Mac rules too!! we made computers to make life easier, to the extent they do the opposite, they are a failure. Macs are designed down to the drivers to be efficient, intuitive, creative tools. Again if you really get in there and see what you can do without having to go through a bunch of cryptic BS it's hard not to love them. on 10/1/01 1:21 PM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > No, I agree that Mac vs. PC is basically a holy war, as is Repeater vs. EDP. > Can't we all just get along? There's room for everyone in cyberspace. > > I want a Cubase blows teeshirt! I thought everyone loved it, but I never felt > it > was comfortable to work with. Seems like it's trying too hard to emulate > hardware, and it should drop that fake gear interface when it's not > appropreate. > I kind of feel the same way about Rebirth and Reason. Why won't Reason allow > me > to record a bass loop in realtime via midi? Who knows. I only end up using > it at > work where we don't have any audio hardware, and I need some music in a pinch, > otherwise it pretty much lays dormant. > > Mark Sottilaro _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 11:16:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08115; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 11:13:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 11:13:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Peace Love Productions" To: Subject: RE: COMPUTER PLUGINS forSCRATCH EFFECTS Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 10:16:27 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c14b65$fa00efb0$136afc9e@peacelove> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Devious, Try http://www.analogx.com/contents/download/audio.htm they make a little digital scratcher that works ok and they make some other cool little apps too. You should also check out my "Scratched" loop library at http://peaceloveproductions.com/scratched.html my site may not load right away because something is wrong with the host's server but check back in a couple of days because I'll have some free scratch loops up for download as soon as they fix the problem. Regards, Jason -----Original Message----- From: Dj Devious D [mailto:dj_devious_d@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 3:27 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: COMPUTER PLUGINS forSCRATCH EFFECTS Yes, this is one of my favorites also.... I use the "Turntable Loosing Power" setting a LOT. It adds dramatic flare to my mixes, and gives them their "analog" feel. I do wish there was a DirectX Plugin that could replicate the Ryhmatic Scrathing abilities of a Dj. Fruity Scratcher SUX, and the Cool Edid Pro Plugins can't reproduce the sound (propperly). The closest to a digitally scratch is the OTSJuke Scratch Sampler, but that is so cumbersome to apply... any folks out there heard of any thing in Plugin Land that will do this ? Lucien E. Darthard A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It. http://ldarthard.ohgo.com/ ----Original Message Follows---- From: SoundFNR@aol.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: COMPUTER PLUGINS for LOOP PROCESSING: Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 05:17:12 EDT My personal favourite is the Pitch Bender in Cool Edit Pro. sorry it's not free Rick! Best trick is loop duplicate a small section, then run it through the Pitch Bender, which allows you to specify pitch bends over 10 octaves. A bit like scratching or playing with the reels on a tape deck, but very reminiscent of the optical disk tone generator used by Stockhausen in Kontakte. You can speed the loop up till it becomes a waveform (and so on). andy butler _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 11:37:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09065; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 11:36:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 11:36:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AALev123@aol.com Message-ID: <16a.1c1d6fe.28eb38c3@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 11:35:31 EDT Subject: Re: Repeater/tone changes when preamp changes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_16a.1c1d6fe.28eb38c3_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: <-wMkrB.A.bNC.q7du7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_16a.1c1d6fe.28eb38c3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the reply. I figured it out -- my mistake the eq on my boogie was turning on and off when the presets changed hence the change in tone --part1_16a.1c1d6fe.28eb38c3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the reply. I figured it out -- my mistake the eq on my boogie was turning on and off when the presets changed hence the change in tone --part1_16a.1c1d6fe.28eb38c3_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 11:39:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09207; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 11:38:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 11:38:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001401c14b59$7ccd81e0$089568d5@w1l3p8> Reply-To: "robert.appleton3" From: "robert.appleton3" To: References: <200110010028.UAA32084@hemlock.violacea.com> <00c801c14a51$cc0b8d00$da61f93f@dnlsh01> Subject: Re: COMPUTER PLUGINS for LOOP PROCESSING: a proposed new thread Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 16:47:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Scuse me mate , how do I unsubscribe????? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" To: Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 9:18 AM Subject: COMPUTER PLUGINS for LOOP PROCESSING: a proposed new thread > Hey guys, > > I just discovered a very hip plug-in freeware site (for both PC and Mac) > and realized that I've really gotten some wonderful results from very > creative and frequently very strange freeware and shareware programs (some > pricey ones, too ;0 > > How's about an update thread on all of the killer plugins everyone has > discovered to process their loops in the computer? Feel free to include > things that you use that weren't designed for music, too.....some of these > are my favorites. > > If anyone is up for this idea I would suggest that we break it down into > these simple categories with the corresponding URLS for each piece of > software: > > Mac freeware > Mac shareware (and suggested price) > Mac regular ware (and street price) > > PC freeware > PC shareware (and suggested price) > PC regular ware (and street price) > > Let me also propose that we try to send any freeware developers whose > program we use copies of our music as a small thanks for all of their > selfless hardwork designing so that we can be creative. Hell, send your > music to all of the brilliant sound designers out their, amateur or > professional..........nobodies getting rich doing this wonderful work. > > yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 12:11:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10499; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:10:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:10:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003901c14b5e$051bc6c0$089568d5@w1l3p8> Reply-To: "robert.appleton3" From: "robert.appleton3" To: Subject: unsubscribe please Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 17:19:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0036_01C14B66.66630F80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C14B66.66630F80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can I unsubscribe please ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C14B66.66630F80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C14B66.66630F80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 12:14:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10692; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:13:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:13:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 12:16:59 -0400 Subject: new repeater question From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <15.1b87eeba.28e9c6ce@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i think i got my repeater into some wierd mode. after i make one loop. if i go to another track and try to record, it records only a tiny portion of what i'm playing... anyone else had this happen? i'm sure i've pushed some button and gotten into some esoteric "only record for two beats in the middle of the loop" mode... is there a global erase? or a total reboot? thanks monk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 12:16:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11023; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:15:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:15:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d301c14b5d$0db51ee0$004628d5@a123456789> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <200110010028.UAA32084@hemlock.violacea.com> <00c801c14a51$cc0b8d00$da61f93f@dnlsh01> Subject: Re: COMPUTER PLUGINS for LOOP PROCESSING: a proposed new thread Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 17:12:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Rick, Here are a few of my faves: Q-deloiser - 30 second delay with filtering on feedback, reverse, and flip flop, (forward then reverse) delays plus multiply , divide functions. SC baby sampler allowing you to sample on the fly, change your loop points, speed, direction etc. Ohm boyz delay - 4 delays with distortion and filtering in the feedback paths and morphing between patches. Vreorder which cuts your sample into up to 16 piees and rearranges them in any order in any direction with the ability to assign volumes, pan and crossfade times to each - confusing !! There are more but if you want a list , email me off list. These are all free incidentally apart form the 10 dollar Ohmboyz one. Gareth > Hey guys, > > I just discovered a very hip plug-in freeware site (for both PC and Mac) > and realized that I've really gotten some wonderful results from very > creative and frequently very strange freeware and shareware programs (some > pricey ones, too ;0 > > How's about an update thread on all of the killer plugins everyone has > discovered to process their loops in the computer? Feel free to include > things that you use that weren't designed for music, too.....some of these > are my favorites. > > If anyone is up for this idea I would suggest that we break it down into > these simple categories with the corresponding URLS for each piece of > software: > > Mac freeware > Mac shareware (and suggested price) > Mac regular ware (and street price) > > PC freeware > PC shareware (and suggested price) > PC regular ware (and street price) > > Let me also propose that we try to send any freeware developers whose > program we use copies of our music as a small thanks for all of their > selfless hardwork designing so that we can be creative. Hell, send your > music to all of the brilliant sound designers out their, amateur or > professional..........nobodies getting rich doing this wonderful work. > > yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 12:16:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11034; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:15:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:15:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:10:46 -0400 To: electrons@cardhouse.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video performance @superCOLLISION @MIT Sat. 10.6.01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks. I'll be performing improvised video at this event from around 4:40 PM until it ends. Directions and info at the web site. Hope to see some of you. ATat presents superCOLLISION a celebration of technology and art Saturday, October 6th, 2001. Noon-10pm. Featuring kinetic sculpture, computer graphics, interactive installations, electronic music, digital video, robots and more... Held in the MIT Student Center, 84 Massachusetts Avenue, Cambridge. This event is free and open to the public. http://web.mit.edu/at/www/ Art: jd albert, jonathan bachrach, aaron edsinger and jeff weber, carl gruesz and kevin mccormick, holly gates, geo homsy, henry kaufman, aisling kelliher and ben recht, justin kent, jen siegel, martin c. martin, michael mittelman, vivian pratt, ramesh raskar and remo ziegler, erica j, von shilgen, fran trainor Live Video: dr. t, noise laboratories, scientifikent and funk software Live Music: alro, nico demente and tributary, gys, jekyll island, local fields, mr output, parallel, roman stange, smartypants, soplerfo, tek fu, ukuphambana THIS IS A DAYTIME EVENT!!! COME EARLY!!! This event was sponsored in part by the MIT Graduate Student Council. -- "Freedom is a scary thing --- Not many people really want it" -- Laurie Anderson Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 12:18:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11458; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:17:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:17:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:14:31 -0400 To: electrons@cardhouse.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center @foryourhead.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, The world trade center was one of my favorite photo subjects -- I'd been taking photos of it for about 25 years. I've been organizing the photos and putting them up on my web site, as a visual tribute (you might say a visual wake) to the place as a physical space. The first round of shots is up -- there is a lot more to come. Let me know what you think of them. If people are interested, I might expand this site to include other peoples work. -- "Freedom is a scary thing --- Not many people really want it" -- Laurie Anderson Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 12:26:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12521; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:25:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:25:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 09:26:15 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater/tone changes when preamp changes Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-110455281 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <16a.1c1d6fe.28eb38c3@aol.com> Message-Id: <33593F76-B752-11D5-B6DC-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1-110455281 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed No problem. I've totally been there before. Once at a gig, I kept hearing a pop every time I played a note. I tore my rig apart trying to find the culprit. Well, I found it. The night before I had been playing with an auto sample patch, that sampled the first bit of audio it got, then played it back when any new audio was received. I was playing back the sample of me plugging my guitar in with every note I played! Mark On Tuesday, October 2, 2001, at 08:35 AM, AALev123@aol.com wrote: > Thanks for the reply. I figured it out -- my mistake the eq on my > boogie was turning on and off when the presets changed hence the change > in tone > --Apple-Mail-1-110455281 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII No problem. I've totally been there before. Once at a gig, I kept hearing a pop every time I played a note. I tore my rig apart trying to find the culprit. Well, I found it. The night before I had been playing with an auto sample patch, that sampled the first bit of audio it got, then played it back when any new audio was received. I was playing back the sample of me plugging my guitar in with every note I played! Mark On Tuesday, October 2, 2001, at 08:35 AM, AALev123@aol.com wrote: ArialThanks for the reply. I figured it out -- my mistake the eq on my boogie was turning on and off when the presets changed hence the change in tone --Apple-Mail-1-110455281-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 12:33:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12932; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:32:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:32:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 09:32:07 -0700 Subject: Re: new repeater question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <0509366F-B753-11D5-B6DC-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmmm that's weird. I've somehow gotten it in a mode where it dose not seem like I'm adding to the loop until I come out of record. I think my drum machine was putting out some CC info that was tripping it up. I've killed the drum machine's CC output and it seems to have stopped. I'm waiting for a reply from Electrix. I find killing it's power and starting over seems to help. Mark On Tuesday, October 2, 2001, at 09:16 AM, mr monk wrote: > i think i got my repeater into some wierd mode. after i make one loop. > if i > go to another track and try to record, it records only a tiny portion of > what i'm playing... anyone else had this happen? i'm sure i've pushed > some > button and gotten into some esoteric "only record for two beats in the > middle of the loop" mode... > > is there a global erase? or a total reboot? > > > thanks > > > > monk > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 12:41:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13489; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:40:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:40:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Rob Sahi To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: please unsubscribe me Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 17:37:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C14B60.88ABF940" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. 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------_=_NextPart_001_01C14B60.88ABF940-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 12:43:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13773; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:42:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:42:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BB9FD18.B3FD0AE5@cabq.gov> Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 10:44:56 -0700 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new repeater question References: <0509366F-B753-11D5-B6DC-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Hmmm that's weird. I've somehow gotten it in a mode where it dose not > seem like I'm adding to the loop until I come out of record. I have had this problem as well... gotta kill power to fix. -jas Albuquerque From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 12:57:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14976; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:56:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:56:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 12:55:46 -0400 Subject: Re: COMPUTER PLUGINS for LOOP PROCESSING: a proposed new thread From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00d301c14b5d$0db51ee0$004628d5@a123456789> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gareth, where are these available and are they Mac or PC? Sorry if this was somehow mentioned earlier, my email is totally screwed and I'm sure I'm missing something... Don't know if anyone has mentioned Cycling 74's Pluggo--I rely on it heavily. Nearly a hundred wacked out effects for $74. My recent favorite is Native Instruments' Spektral Delay, which does processing in the frequency domain and is producing some unimaginable transformations which I've never been able to get before. Around $130 as I remember, and very well worth it. SD is for both Mac and PC I think. David Lee Myers on 10/2/01 12:12 PM, whiteoakstudios at whiteoakstudios@supanet.com wrote: > > Hi Rick, > Here are a few of my faves: > Q-deloiser - 30 second delay with filtering on feedback, reverse, and flip > flop, (forward then reverse) delays plus multiply , divide functions. > SC baby sampler allowing you to sample on the fly, change your loop points, > speed, direction etc. > Ohm boyz delay - 4 delays with distortion and filtering in the feedback > paths and morphing between patches. > Vreorder which cuts your sample into up to 16 piees and rearranges them in > any order in any direction with the ability to assign volumes, pan and > crossfade times to each - confusing !! > There are more but if you want a list , email me off list. > These are all free incidentally apart form the 10 dollar Ohmboyz one. > > Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 13:23:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16106; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 13:22:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 13:22:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001f01c14b66$a28fe050$6887abd4@giogio> From: "luca" To: Subject: Shane Radtke Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 19:21:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C14B77.65782A90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C14B77.65782A90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Shane, are you still here ? if not, can anyone send me his e-mail address ? thanks luca ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C14B77.65782A90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Shane, are you still here = ?
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------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C14B77.65782A90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 13:30:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16592; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 13:28:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 13:28:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BB9FB7D.2DC0@Hevanet.Com.> Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 10:38:05 -0700 From: DaViD AuKeR X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater Overdub Problem References: <200110021618.MAA11529@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I really dig "dueting" w/myself - subsequent overdub runs thru a loop coming back at me as I then harmonize. I KNOW I've done this w/Repeater, but I only seem to be able to do this *sometimes.* I have a couple of tracks playing, and I'm overdubbing on a track that already has material recorded. Most of the time, I only hear the most recent layer, and then only when "record" is turned off, any feedback 'die-down' of original material only apparent then. Any ideas on why this is a hit and miss operation for me? It doesn't matter what the feedback is set at....I'm on the card, and memory is ample. David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 13:36:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17065; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 13:35:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 13:35:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Rob Sahi To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Recycle Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 18:32:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C14B68.3A6FEC20" Resent-Message-ID: <89q6u.A.5JE.6qfu7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14B68.3A6FEC20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" can anyone recommend any good tutorials for this cheers ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14B68.3A6FEC20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Recycle

can anyone recommend any good tutorials for this

cheers


------_=_NextPart_001_01C14B68.3A6FEC20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 14:30:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20764; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 14:29:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 14:29:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BBA073C.FF202596@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 11:26:41 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater Overdub Problem References: <200110021618.MAA11529@hemlock.violacea.com> <3BB9FB7D.2DC0@Hevanet.Com.> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com YES! This has happened to me as well. I'm waiting for word from Electrix on this. Let me ask you a question: When this happens, is the Repeater slaved to a MIDI clock? I ask because I've got a Roland MC-307 that spits out a LOT of CC information. To save ROM space, they use an onboard processor to tweak individual drum sounds. If you don't set it to not spit out this CC info, it does do odd stuff to the Repeater. I haven't had this happen since I turned it off, so this may have been the problem. Mark DaViD AuKeR wrote: > I really dig "dueting" w/myself - subsequent overdub runs thru a loop > coming back at me as I then harmonize. I KNOW I've done this w/Repeater, > but I only seem to be able to do this *sometimes.* > > I have a couple of tracks playing, and I'm overdubbing on a track that > already has material recorded. Most of the time, I only hear the most > recent layer, and then only when "record" is turned off, any feedback > 'die-down' of original material only apparent then. Any ideas on why > this is a hit and miss operation for me? It doesn't matter what the > feedback is set at....I'm on the card, and memory is ample. > > David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 14:37:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21638; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 14:36:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 14:36:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: YooN08@aol.com Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 14:34:47 EDT Subject: Fwd: please unsubscribe me To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_Part_3bba08c7-038d-1512-010203040506" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------_Part_3bba08c7-038d-1512-010203040506 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------_Part_3bba08c7-038d-1512-010203040506 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yg03.mx.aol.com (rly-yg03.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.3]) by air-yg05.mail.aol.com (v80.17) with ESMTP id MAILINYG52-1002124008; Tue, 02 Oct 2001 12:40:08 -0400 Received: from hemlock.violacea.com (hemlock.superb.net [207.228.238.9]) by rly-yg03.mx.aol.com (v80.21) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYG39-1002123943; Tue, 02 Oct 2001 12:39:43 -0400 Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13459; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:39:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:39:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Rob Sahi To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: please unsubscribe me Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 17:37:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C14B60.88ABF940" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14B60.88ABF940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Rob Sahi Product Marketing Co-ordinator Direct Line 0044 (0) 208 996 9826 Main Line 0044 (0) 208 996 9800 Job Partners www.jobpartners.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14B60.88ABF940 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" please unsubscribe me

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C14B60.88ABF940-- ------_Part_3bba08c7-038d-1512-010203040506-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 15:28:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23768; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 15:27:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 15:27:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BBA14E3.FA7B9F5E@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 12:24:55 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Making music with OSX References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I've recently done the upgrade to Mac OSX, and I'm basically loving it (if you haven't done the 10.1 upgrade, do it, it's much much faster) I've been up to my ears in the Repeater lately, and haven't really attempted using Metro and my Korg 1212 I/O card. Has anyone on the list been doing this so far? Any leads on Audio apps that are being ported for a Native OSX mode, other than Peak? I know I can always just boot up as OS 9, but I just wanted to find out if there were any big issues people have found. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 16:11:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25555; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 16:09:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 16:09:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PaulPokr@aol.com Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 16:08:18 EDT Subject: Seasound Company still viable? To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <46.1b8bf60b.28eb78b2@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, all: The prices of the Seasound gear has appeared to have dropped considerably. A local dealer in Pittsburgh quoted me a $289 price for the Solo Ex and $189 for the Soloist. I also heard the prices have dropped at some Internet dealers. So, what's the deal? Are they going belly up in this economy? Or are they being clobbered by all the competition out there? Regards, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 16:22:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26210; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 16:21:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 16:21:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Seasound Company still viable? Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 16:22:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I heard at Summer NAMM that they no longer exist as a company. Their drivers will no longer be developed and their hardware will not be supported. It's a shame, they made great audio cards. If you never plan on upgrading your OS or current software that is an excellent deal. -----Original Message----- From: PaulPokr@aol.com [mailto:PaulPokr@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 4:08 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Seasound Company still viable? Hi, all: The prices of the Seasound gear has appeared to have dropped considerably. A local dealer in Pittsburgh quoted me a $289 price for the Solo Ex and $189 for the Soloist. I also heard the prices have dropped at some Internet dealers. So, what's the deal? Are they going belly up in this economy? Or are they being clobbered by all the competition out there? Regards, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 16:23:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26390; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 16:23:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 16:23:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ac01c14b89$a8e90210$78324fa0@billscomp> Reply-To: "Bill Cummings" From: "Bill Cummings" To: References: <46.1b8bf60b.28eb78b2@aol.com> Subject: Re: Seasound Company still viable? Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 16:31:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com They went bellyup about 2 months ago. No more products or updates, no support. Guitar Center was blowing those units out at 1/2 those prices last month. BC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 16:24:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26508; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 16:23:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 16:23:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 16:22:51 -0400 From: David Kenzik To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Seasound Company still viable? Message-ID: <20011002162251.A4026@over.react.net> References: <46.1b8bf60b.28eb78b2@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <46.1b8bf60b.28eb78b2@aol.com>; from PaulPokr@aol.com on Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 04:08:18PM -0400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com PaulPokr@aol.com said... > The prices of the Seasound gear has appeared to have dropped > considerably. A local dealer in Pittsburgh quoted me a $289 price for the > Solo Ex and $189 for the Soloist. I also heard the prices have dropped at > some Internet dealers. > > So, what's the deal? Are they going belly up in this economy? Or are they > being clobbered by all the competition out there? >From www.seasound.com: "6/29/01 Unfortunately SeaSound is no longer in business. This page is hosted as a courtesy to current owners of SeaSound products and those considering using these great sounding, albeit defunct, interfaces. SeaSound phone lines, mailing address and email address are now non-functional. Updates to Tech support FAQ and links to future user forum will be posted in the future here." -- David S. Kenzik david@kenzik.com - http://kenzik.com Original Music - http://kenzik.com/music From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 17:21:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29172; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 17:20:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 17:20:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: partagas.dragonet.es: 193-153-189-245.uc.nombres.ttd.es [193.153.189.245] didn't use HELO protocol Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20011002233114.00a38c30@mail.dragonet.es> X-Sender: d3055@mail.dragonet.es X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 23:31:14 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Raul Bonell Subject: OT: matrix-1000 In-Reply-To: <3BB8D3C2.DBB939F4@vtx.ch> References: <200110010028.UAA32084@hemlock.violacea.com> <3.0.6.32.20011001142720.00a25b10@mail.dragonet.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:36 p.m. 01/10/01 +0000, you wrote: thnkas for the replies on this off topic 'drum machine' matter. it seems like the rmx1 is a good choice if you need a good sequencer with not too bad sounds. although prices have increased a lot during these last months .... argg.. sorry again, but i have another 'not too much related to looping' asking to do. i remember that somebody among us was using a matrix-1000. was it kim ? can anybody direct me to some site where i could find a dedicated editor for this box, if it exists ? if not, what sw are you using to program the matrix ? help ... it's a rackmounted analog synth and its sound quality is far superior to all the digital stuff i own ... the guys who designed this instrument did a great job. the only problem is that you cannot program the patches without the PC. thanx in advance ! p.s. hei .. i forgot it ! the matrix is an oberheim !! so at least i've could find a nexus to the list. p.s.2. free music and sound samples in the site below. El Cau De La Figa Reial http://www.dragonet.es/users/d3055/rb From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 17:54:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30635; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 17:48:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 17:48:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Karl Sangree" To: Subject: RE: COMPUTER PLUGINS for LOOP PROCESSING: a proposed new thread Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 17:50:33 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gareth, Do you have a URL for q-delioser? Thanks, Karl >>> Hi Rick, >>> Here are a few of my faves: >>> Q-deloiser - 30 second delay with filtering on feedback, >>reverse, and flip >>> flop, (forward then reverse) delays plus multiply , divide functions. >>> Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 17:56:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30349; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 17:45:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 17:45:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Oberheim Matrix-1000 Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 23:43:54 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20011002233114.00a38c30@mail.dragonet.es> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <8QzNjB.A.qZH.HVju7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Från: Raul Bonell [mailto:rauboto@dragonet.es] > can anybody direct me to some > site where i could find a dedicated > editor for this box, if it exists ? I'm using a software editor ("environment") in Emagic Logic to progam my Matrix-1000. You should be able to download it from http://www.swiftkick.com - or I could mail it directly to you. If you're a Logic user, that is. > the guys who designed this instrument > did a great job. the only problem is > that you cannot program > the patches without the PC. oops... did I get it right that you are looking for a hardware based editor for the Matrix-1000? That's a tough one... sorry, don't know any :( Best wishes Per Boysen ________________________________________________ http://www.boysen.se Too loud? Check out my AMBIENT INTERNET RADIO at http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=p_boy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 03:45:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA23695; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 03:43:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 03:43:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 01:02:58 -0700 From: glenn Subject: kinda OT vocoder for sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry for the pimpage, trying to make rent:) :( Roland SVC-350 analog vocoder for sale. asking 750 Sunburst Fender jazz bass (Mexico) with hardshell case asking 225 Yamaha QY 10 portable music sequencer: asking 75 Korg Symphony Orchestra Module: asking 50 TOA 4-channel rack mount mixer with midi mute/phantom power: asking 75 Midistep Midi Bass Pedals(has burnt out logic board-currently useless) ???? glenn javaheri 408-971-3397 glenn234@pacbell.net in san jose From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 08:05:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA31481; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 08:04:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 08:04:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3BB8DB0C.C86DACC0@zerocrossing.net> References: <20011001064853.YUQJ18284.femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com@localhost> <3BB8ECEA.102FFC4A@vtx.ch> <3BB8DB0C.C86DACC0@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 09:03:50 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Question on EDP: Non volatile memory? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > >but I believe the >> > vast majority of non professional musicians will be forced to make a >> > choice, as I was. >> >> Ah "non professional" .... > >I probably should have said, "...vast majority of musicians..." as >most are non >professional judging by the loop for money thread, and being a pro >musician doesn't mean >you can afford a lot of gear. Most that I know can't. Things are >getting awful tight not to fall back into politics, but I observed in Switzerland and sometimes in Brazil that generally the amateur musicians have more money than the professional ones which turns in a sometimes absurd distribution of the music tools... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 08:54:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01175; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 08:53:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 08:53:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010928094037.0254e648@loopers-delight.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010928094037.0254e648@loopers-delight.com> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 09:52:04 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Kim on EDP (DelayMode mod!) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>I haven't found a use for Quantise yet, as I don't use a dum machine. >>................I mean drum machine > >Quantize has nothing to do with drum machines! It is just a question >of how you approach rhythm in manipulating loops. With quantize off, >all actions you do with the EDP occur instantly, exactly when you >execute them. With quantize on, all actions occur at the next cycle >boundary, with the machine executing them exactly at the cycle >boundary. Andy said: >>Isn't the feedback setup different in Delay Mode too? >>In Loop Mode the feedback changes at the loop end. >>In Delay it can be used to fade out just a bit of the loop! Kim replied: >no, the feedback is exactly the same in both cases. It doesn't >matter if you are in loop mode or delay mode. Feedback is a live >control at all times, and you can always manipulate it during a loop >to just fade out one portion while maintaining another. hm, while it does not seem true that "feedback changes at the loop end" (did we understand you, Andy?) its not exactly true that feeback is the same in Loop and Delay mode either: While Mute is active, in LoopMode the FB is fixed to max, in Delay mode its what you set it to. In other words: in LoopMode, Mute is also "Hold" while in DelayModes Mute, the delay continues "updating". Also, the DelayModes Overdub is not just "inverted", its really "Hold", so the FB is kept at max. This may sound complicated, but in use, LoopMode is handy for looping and the DelayMode simply reproduces what any ordinary delay would do. >>Can I pester Matthias for a MIDI controlled input mute to compensate? > >you can try, but it will be your fault that the LoopIV software >takes longer to finish. :-) thats true. We discussed it off list to find a way to create a MIDI only command to just mute the input, independent on the state we are in (also during Record...). Are there more users interested in this (after you consider what Kim explained about using the pedal and maybe Quantize)? Then Andy came up with a simpler idea that I will implement if nobody rejects it totally: In DelayMode, during Multiply, we will consider the state of Overdub, which means that if Overdub is on (was activated (Hold) before the Multiply started), the input continues off and FeedBack at maximum during the whole Multiply (including rounding). I find it consistent and that way everone has a simple way to do a silent Multiply. How is that? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 11:22:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06610; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 11:20:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 11:20:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001601c14c1e$b4277860$6401a8c0@videotron.ca> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Emmanuelle_Tessier_&_Aur=E9lien_G=E9ron?= To: Subject: Loops for Acid Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 11:18:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi y'all, Any loopers in Montreal ? I'm looking for Loops for Acid CDs: do you have any to sell / trade / give away for free ;-) ? Tx, Aurelien. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 11:25:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06985; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 11:24:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 11:24:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BBB2FC3.589D@Hevanet.Com.> Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 08:33:23 -0700 From: DaViD AuKeR X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater Overdub Problem References: <200110021618.MAA11529@hemlock.violacea.com> <3BB9FB7D.2DC0@Hevanet.Com.> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (I'm on Digest, so haven't yet seen any responses to my question) I think I have figured out how to get Overdub (where I'm "dueting with my echo"). After the Sleep Mode, overdubbing w/layers just doesn't work on any loop, but when I Record and Resample, it subsequently works fine! Why would Resample get Overdub up and running? Anyone else have to do this? Aside from what seems an unusual avenue of wake-up, I'm having some great fascination w/this unit! David Portland, OR From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 12:01:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08496; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 12:00:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 12:00:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Kim on EDP (DelayMode mod!) also starving musicians Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 09:00:17 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Disposition-Notification-To: "Gary Lehmann" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Then Andy came up with a simpler idea that I will implement if nobody rejects it totally: In DelayMode, during Multiply, we will consider the state of Overdub, which means that if Overdub is on (was activated (Hold) before the Multiply started), the input continues off and FeedBack at maximum during the whole Multiply (including rounding). I find it consistent and that way everone has a simple way to do a silent Multiply. How is that? -----> http://Matthias.Grob.org This gets my vote--I look forward to the upgrade. As far as pro/amateur--this is what I see. The ones who have to pay their bills by making art are in competition with the ones who do it for fun. The people who hire any of them don't care which ones need the money, so they hire the ones who charge the lowest price. So the musician using modern technology has to spend more money than the acoustic or traditional one (assuming they don't buy an expensive instrument) but has trouble making the extra money back from employment. The amateur is already paying his bills from his "day job", and so money is less of an issue. As technology makes it easier for one person or several people to create a large and interesting sound, more amateurs make it easier for the people who hire musicians to use amateurs. I am speaking of show business, of course. Bottom line is, don't quit your day job (can anyone tell me where that expression came from--first citation etc.) Back to work! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 12:13:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09190; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 12:11:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 12:11:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010301c14c26$06af3b20$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Kim on EDP (DelayMode mod!) also starving musicians Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 17:11:12 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Sent: 03 October 2001 17:00 PM Subject: RE: Kim on EDP (DelayMode mod!) also starving musicians > > Then Andy came up with a simpler idea that I will implement if nobody > rejects it totally: > In DelayMode, during Multiply, we will consider the state of Overdub, > which means that if Overdub is on (was activated (Hold) before the > Multiply started), the input continues off and FeedBack at maximum > during the whole Multiply (including rounding). > I find it consistent and that way everone has a simple way to do a > silent Multiply. How is that? > -----> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > This gets my vote--I look forward to the upgrade. > As far as pro/amateur--this is what I see. > The ones who have to pay their bills by making art are in competition with > the ones who do it for fun. The people who hire any of them don't care which > ones need the money, so they hire the ones who charge the lowest price. So > the musician using modern technology has to spend more money than the > acoustic or traditional one (assuming they don't buy an expensive > instrument) but has trouble making the extra money back from employment. > The amateur is already paying his bills from his "day job", and so money is > less of an issue. As technology makes it easier for one person or several > people to create a large and interesting sound, more amateurs make it easier > for the people who hire musicians to use amateurs. I am speaking of show > business, of course. Bottom line is, don't quit your day job (can anyone > tell me where that expression came from--first citation etc.) > Back to work! I think it came from the music biz... :| Do you have return-receipt on by default? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 12:13:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09392; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 12:13:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 12:13:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017001c14c26$3ff6ed60$c7095cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: matrix-1000 Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 12:12:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Raul Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >can anybody direct me to some >site where i could find a dedicated >editor for this box, if it exists ? >if not, what sw are you using >to program the matrix ? >help ... Go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/matrixSynth and join the list so you can ask. The only hardware I know of that will let you do sound design is the Matrx 6 synth. Same architecture as the Matrix 1000. I think that there are some homebrew software editors. The list can help - I haven't kept close track. Cheers, Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 12:16:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09723; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 12:15:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 12:15:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 09:06:45 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater Overdub Problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3BBB2FC3.589D@Hevanet.Com.> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeah, the sleep problem is a known bug, but I don't think that's totally the issue. Mark On Wednesday, October 3, 2001, at 08:33 AM, DaViD AuKeR wrote: > (I'm on Digest, so haven't yet seen any responses to my question) > > I think I have figured out how to get Overdub (where I'm "dueting with > my echo"). After the Sleep Mode, overdubbing w/layers just doesn't work > on any loop, but when I Record and Resample, it subsequently works > fine! > > Why would Resample get Overdub up and running? Anyone else have to do > this? > > Aside from what seems an unusual avenue of wake-up, I'm having some > great fascination w/this unit! > > David > Portland, OR > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 12:17:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09911; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 12:16:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 12:16:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 09:16:52 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater Overdub Problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3BBB2FC3.589D@Hevanet.Com.> Message-Id: <0E3104CC-B81A-11D5-A6DB-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeah, the sleep problem is a known bug, but I don't think that's totally the issue. Still no word about it from Electrix. Mark Mark On Wednesday, October 3, 2001, at 08:33 AM, DaViD AuKeR wrote: > (I'm on Digest, so haven't yet seen any responses to my question) > > I think I have figured out how to get Overdub (where I'm "dueting with > my echo"). After the Sleep Mode, overdubbing w/layers just doesn't work > on any loop, but when I Record and Resample, it subsequently works > fine! > > Why would Resample get Overdub up and running? Anyone else have to do > this? > > Aside from what seems an unusual avenue of wake-up, I'm having some > great fascination w/this unit! > > David > Portland, OR > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 12:28:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10505; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 12:25:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 12:25:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 12:28:52 -0400 Subject: Re: Repeater Overdub Problem From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey, i've had something like that happen, when i go to over dub, it automatically into resample...anyone else? monk on 10/3/01 12:06 PM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > yeah, the sleep problem is a known bug, but I don't think that's totally > the issue. > > Mark > On Wednesday, October 3, 2001, at 08:33 AM, DaViD AuKeR wrote: > >> (I'm on Digest, so haven't yet seen any responses to my question) >> >> I think I have figured out how to get Overdub (where I'm "dueting with >> my echo"). After the Sleep Mode, overdubbing w/layers just doesn't work >> on any loop, but when I Record and Resample, it subsequently works >> fine! >> >> Why would Resample get Overdub up and running? Anyone else have to do >> this? >> >> Aside from what seems an unusual avenue of wake-up, I'm having some >> great fascination w/this unit! >> >> David >> Portland, OR >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 13:58:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04375; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 13:56:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 13:56:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.113.200] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loops for Acid Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 12:54:40 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2001 17:54:40.0767 (UTC) FILETIME=[79BF38F0:01C14C34] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a bunch, that I could share. Whaca lookin' for. I have a paltry library of 10 CD's.... (I create my own loops from scratch, so the libraries are sometimes a moot point). Lucien E. Darthard A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It. Cell Phone 1-773-578-3504 http://ldarthard.ohgo.com/ ----Original Message Follows---- From: Emmanuelle Tessier & Aurélien Géron Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Subject: Loops for Acid Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 11:18:49 -0400 Hi y'all, Any loopers in Montreal ? I'm looking for Loops for Acid CDs: do you have any to sell / trade / give away for free ;-) ? Tx, Aurelien. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 14:13:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05247; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 14:12:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 14:12:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BBB54F2.AE0CBD19@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 11:12:02 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater Overdub Problem References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I no longer think that anyone from Electrix is reading this list. I think the best way to deal with this is to go to www.electrixpro.com, go to their forum section and post your experience. I haven't been able to get this to happen in a while, so it's hard for me to figure out what's going on. They've got a bunch of monitors on the forum, and they've been pretty good at addressing issues. Mark Sottilaro mr monk wrote: > hey, i've had something like that happen, when i go to over dub, it > automatically into resample...anyone else? > > monk > > on 10/3/01 12:06 PM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > > > yeah, the sleep problem is a known bug, but I don't think that's totally > > the issue. > > > > Mark > > On Wednesday, October 3, 2001, at 08:33 AM, DaViD AuKeR wrote: > > > >> (I'm on Digest, so haven't yet seen any responses to my question) > >> > >> I think I have figured out how to get Overdub (where I'm "dueting with > >> my echo"). After the Sleep Mode, overdubbing w/layers just doesn't work > >> on any loop, but when I Record and Resample, it subsequently works > >> fine! > >> > >> Why would Resample get Overdub up and running? Anyone else have to do > >> this? > >> > >> Aside from what seems an unusual avenue of wake-up, I'm having some > >> great fascination w/this unit! > >> > >> David > >> Portland, OR > >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 14:14:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05267; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 14:13:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 14:13:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Karl Sangree" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight. com" Subject: FW: COMPUTER PLUGINS for LOOP PROCESSING: a proposed new thread Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 14:15:10 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone out there in looper land have the URL for the q-delioser plugin? Thanks, Karl S "We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams" Willy Wonka >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Karl Sangree [mailto:KSangree@home.com] >>Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 5:51 PM >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: RE: COMPUTER PLUGINS for LOOP PROCESSING: a proposed new thread >> >> >>Gareth, >> >>Do you have a URL for q-delioser? >> >>Thanks, >>Karl >> >>>>> Hi Rick, >>>>> Here are a few of my faves: >>>>> Q-deloiser - 30 second delay with filtering on feedback, >>>>reverse, and flip >>>>> flop, (forward then reverse) delays plus multiply , divide functions. >>>>> Gareth >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 14:24:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05946; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 14:23:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 14:23:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Kim on EDP (DelayMode mod!) also starving musicians Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 19:06:12 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Från: Gary Lehmann [mailto:healthquestrecruiter@earthlink.net] > As technology makes it easier for one person or several > people to create a large and interesting sound, more amateurs > make it easier > for the people who hire musicians to use amateurs. I am speaking of show > business, of course. Bottom line is, don't quit your day job (can anyone > tell me where that expression came from--first citation etc.) > Back to work! > Gary You're right that musicians don't get rich. But to become a really good musician you may have to put a lot of time into it - something that is almost impossible with a daytime job on the side. Quite often good pro musicians get hired on better deals than amateurs. I may be wrong about the US though, since I live in Sweden and have only toured Germany, South East Asia and Sweden. Just another perspective ;D Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 15:07:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07935; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 15:06:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 15:06:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011003210228.00d87ac0@mail.groundloops.com> X-Sender: 03groundloopscom@mail.groundloops.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 21:06:19 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: leocavallo Subject: Re: Loops for Acid In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com trading or copying commercial sample CDs is not legal... If you have to, please do it off the list... and if you need quality samples look on the Internet... there's so much great stuff available for free, without fucking up any copyright law. ciao leo www.groundloops.com c o o l . s o u n d s & s a m p l e . c d s f r e e . s a m p l e s . a r c h i v e From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 15:28:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08531; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 15:17:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 15:17:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Professional Loopers Reply-To: A.Willers@t-online.de From: A.Willers@t-online.de (A.Willers) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 21:16:32 +0000 X-Mailer: Musashi 3.2.3-es Message-ID: <15orV0-1c01iKC@fwd03.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 520012547034-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Professional Loopers Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Interesting reading, this loop on those of us making a living from live shows. Question -- this sounds so blunt and naive but -- how do you do it? I make my living writing for TV, have done some solo shows at the Knitting Factory and Guggenheim Museum in NY, but can't seem to get past the "do a show for my friends and acquaintances" stage -- any hints? Hi, the situation for Europe and the States is always quite different and not comparable. Germany alone used to have about 350 jazz clubs with almost daily live programms plus all these festivals. That has been changing for the worse during the ninetees, mainly because cultural funding is drying up. I hear the situation has increasingly gotten better in the US, are the Americans after all starting to spend their own tax money on art/music :-)? Part of my survival trip has always been to consciously following my own path musically (being 'the artist') while trying to maintain general musical chops as well (also being an 'allround pro'). Needless to say that this is a thin line to try and follow with plenty detours. But while people in the first world can go and persue their music as pros or at least can get decent jobs and own about three times as much equipment than those guys ;-) there are players I met in Moskow, Manila or Khartoum that have a so much harder time to get their act together, probably shelling out a weeks pay for a set of D'Addarios....and making some great music. We are LUCKY, man! andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 15:33:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08987; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 15:26:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 15:26:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Free Loops Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 15:28:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I just checked out Robert Miles' website. www.robert-miles.com. He's put up a whole sample library for free, 99 downloadable samples in AIFF format. Some of the sounds are cool. BYE, Carl -----Original Message----- From: leocavallo [mailto:leocavallo@groundloops.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 3:06 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loops for Acid trading or copying commercial sample CDs is not legal... If you have to, please do it off the list... and if you need quality samples look on the Internet... there's so much great stuff available for free, without fucking up any copyright law. ciao leo www.groundloops.com c o o l . s o u n d s & s a m p l e . c d s f r e e . s a m p l e s . a r c h i v e From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 15:34:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09419; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 15:33:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 15:33:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006e01c14c42$090bb800$6401a8c0@videotron.ca> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Emmanuelle_Tessier_&_Aur=E9lien_G=E9ron?= To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011003210228.00d87ac0@mail.groundloops.com> Subject: Re: Loops for Acid Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 15:31:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Is it illegal to buy a CD from someone else ? It's probably illegal for a person to keep a copy of a CD if he/she sells it to someone else, but I don't see where the record company gets screwed if it's just a transfer. You're probably right, though: sample CDs may have specific copyright laws that I don't know about. ;-) I'm sorry if I offended you: I am just looking for a cheap, but legal way to get quality loops: non-commercial / home-made ones, ok ? Ciao, Aurelien. ----- Original Message ----- From: "leocavallo" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 3:06 PM Subject: Re: Loops for Acid > trading or copying commercial sample CDs is not legal... > If you have to, please do it off the list... > and if you need quality samples look on the Internet... there's so much > great stuff available for free, without fucking up any copyright law. > > ciao > leo > > > www.groundloops.com > > c o o l . s o u n d s & s a m p l e . c d s > f r e e . s a m p l e s . a r c h i v e > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 15:37:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09266; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 15:31:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 15:31:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 15:35:22 -0400 Subject: a modest proposal From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i just want to recommend to the list that if any of you are in the oncoming path of the Greg Bendian's Interzone tour that you check it out if at all possible. i drove about 120 miles to see the show last night and it was completely worth it. the tunes range from bop influenced improvisation to zorn-esque craziness. there was lots of sporadic and cool loops by nels. really worth the measly eight bucks. the dates are at nelscline.com i think that stig is in pretty thick with these guys and has held down the low end in this very ensemble. my two cents. monk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 15:48:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10498; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 15:47:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 15:47:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BBB79D4.BE1F3CF9@cabq.gov> Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 13:49:24 -0700 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: looper Subject: Loopers Delight T Shirts! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Guys, I have finally gotten off the ground with this project. The shirt design is courtesy of Rich, who had been working with Kim even before I got involved. I think everyone will agree that its just about perfect, even though there were plenty of other great ideas offered up. Kim has not had time to add the T-shirt page to the main LD site, but promises it will come soon soon. In addition it will always be hosted here: http://www.dimbulb.org/tshirt.htm Lots of sizes & 3 colors available. Profits will directly support this very list. Be sure to note the DEADLINE. Order NOW while the ordering is good! and yes, the smug looking goofball modeling the shirt is indeed me. so try to keep those wisecracks to a minimum... Any further questions about this project, or ordering can be directed to dimmo@dimbulb.org Put LD T-shirt in the subject line. Thanks Everyone! later, -jas Albuquerque From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 15:53:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10190; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 15:42:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 15:42:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 15:41:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200110031941.PAA10392@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: a modest proposal X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 66.9.67.98 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > i just want to recommend to the list that if any of you are in the oncoming > path of the Greg Bendian's Interzone tour that you check it out if at all > possible. > the dates are at nelscline.com Dang -- they don't get any close to New York City than Rochester! atsa matter, they don't like smoking holes in the ground?? /t -- I am the wombat. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 15:59:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10812; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 15:52:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 15:52:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: EDP question - changing tempo by tapping while looping Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 21:51:29 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3BBB79D4.BE1F3CF9@cabq.gov> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <7J7mR.A.uoC.6x2u7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I have only played with the Repeater and this unit does a timestrech of the loop (loops) when you tap a tempo change. But how does the EDP answer to a tapped tempo change? AFAIK it cannot timestrech on the fly. Do you have to play new loops into the EDP after making a tempo change? Regards Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 16:32:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12770; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 16:30:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 16:30:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BBB743D.3B532C3@chello.nl> Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 22:25:34 +0200 From: mango X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN,eu,ca,ko,ja,no,ru,uk MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: matrix-1000 References: <017001c14c26$3ff6ed60$c7095cd1@-> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, i think the knobby and slidemate along with its editor is a nice thing to have to program these kind of synths, this is the website, check it out for yourself (the editor is downloadable and works to check out how exactly it works too) http://www.encoreelectronics.com Joel Bill Fox wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Raul Bonell > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >can anybody direct me to some > >site where i could find a dedicated > >editor for this box, if it exists ? > >if not, what sw are you using > >to program the matrix ? > >help ... > > Go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/matrixSynth and join the list so you can > ask. The only hardware I know of that will let you do sound design is the Matrx > 6 synth. Same architecture as the Matrix 1000. I think that there are some > homebrew software editors. The list can help - I haven't kept close track. > > Cheers, > > Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html > =============================================================================== > Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at > 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and > Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. > Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org > Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox > To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 16:39:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13184; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 16:38:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 16:38:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004e01c14c4b$3cd16aa0$0301a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <3BBB79D4.BE1F3CF9@cabq.gov> Subject: Re: Loopers Delight T Shirts! Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 13:37:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cool, nice to support the list in some fashon - I ordered 2 - Thanks- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Loopers Delight T Shirts! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 16:57:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14258; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 16:56:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 16:56:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 17:56:35 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Trigger pulse/MIDI Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I've got several of the old Digitech RDS 8000's that I'd like to use sync'ed >to MIDI. Does anyone have any experience getting an older delay to chase >modern drum machine or an Echoplex? The Echoplex may be the right "interface to MIDI" in this case. I am not sure how you can get a pulse out of the Digitech at each loop end. I doubt they have a connector for this, have they? But the signal is in there and you can make a connector for it (from a LED that flashes at each loop start, for example). Then feed the BeatSync input of the EDP and you get MIDIsync out... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 16:58:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14280; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 16:57:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 16:57:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 17:56:37 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: sample loopers + EDP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <6Mtfg.A.3dD.yt3u7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >The one downside to the SP-303 is that it only has a MIDI IN, so you can >sync it off other units, but you can't sync other units off it. It would >be nice if i could have this drive an EDP or a Jam Man, using the MIDI beat >clock...but I can't...i guess i would need to upgrade to the SP-808 for >that capaibility. Or I could use antoher MIDI beat source to driveboth.... It would be handy not to need a sequencer to make the sampler loop. We have a MIDI note coming out of the EDP at loop start, so that could trigger the sample. But so far the note is very short. We could also send the NoteOFF at the end of the loop. Would that help anyone? Or is it smarter to keep the note short and the user cuts the NoteOFF with some MIDI device? Also, you have to move all MIDIcommands (that are sent on the same channel) if you want it to be a different note. We do not have a free parameter so you can freely define what note it is, but we could make it definable by Sysex. Again, some simple MIDI box may be handyer to translate the EDP note into the one you need... These are the final anjustments for the upgrade... Matthias -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 16:58:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14277; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 16:57:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 16:57:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 17:57:00 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Art and Context Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Caliban Tiresias Darklock inspired me a while ago to start writing this. He meanwhile left the list (right?) but I did not want to trash my work :-) >This is also reflected in my own work. When I use a sample, it's not >always just "that will sound good here", it's often a deliberate >juxtaposition of opposing concepts -- like the opening verse of Ice-T's >"Colors" overlaid on the introduction to Lynyrd Skynyrd's "Sweet Home >Alabama". There's also a definite intent to bring *surrounding* material >to mind; the rhythm guitar from any well-known song, for example, >carries some amount of that song's entire meaning with it. Adding the >intro to Metallica's "Harvester of Sorrow" over a drum beat can make an >otherwise silly sample significantly darker and more compelling... a smart multimedia artist friend of mine used to say that we all create with basic material that the public knows and make them look at those things differently, more consciously just because we combine them differently, show the objects in a context the public is not used to or modify them in a way they become useless and by this the ordinary limited use of it becomes visible. Is this concept you apply to music? He bought the LOOP delay (insisted on the one with serial number 001 :-), because he liked loops for this: A simple way of taking things out of context and make them visible is to repeat them. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 16:58:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14438; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 16:58:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 16:58:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012d01c14c4d$de4cea60$6b44230a@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <3BBB79D4.BE1F3CF9@cabq.gov> Subject: Re: Loopers Delight T Shirts! Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 16:56:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <1bGZlB.A.mfD.Av3u7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Right on! Looks good enough for me. I'm gettin' one today. Mike P.S. Awwwww, no chance for 'UNSUBSCRIBE' on the back???? ( Next time?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Fink" To: "looper" Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 4:49 PM Subject: Loopers Delight T Shirts! > > Hi Guys, > > I have finally gotten off the ground with this project. > The shirt design is courtesy of Rich, who had > been working with Kim even before I got involved. > I think everyone will agree that its just about perfect, even > though there were plenty of other great ideas offered up. > > Kim has not had time to add the T-shirt page to the > main LD site, but promises it will come soon soon. > > In addition it will always be hosted here: > > http://www.dimbulb.org/tshirt.htm > > Lots of sizes & 3 colors available. > Profits will directly support this very list. > Be sure to note the DEADLINE. > Order NOW while the ordering is good! > > and yes, the smug looking goofball modeling the shirt is indeed me. > so try to keep those wisecracks to a minimum... > > Any further questions about this project, or ordering can be > directed to > dimmo@dimbulb.org > Put LD T-shirt in the subject line. > > Thanks Everyone! > > later, > -jas > Albuquerque > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 17:05:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15011; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 17:04:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 17:04:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BBB7C0A.28600FCA@chello.nl> Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 22:58:50 +0200 From: mango X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN,eu,ca,ko,ja,no,ru,uk MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers Delight T Shirts! References: <3BBB79D4.BE1F3CF9@cabq.gov> <012d01c14c4d$de4cea60$6b44230a@melon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4dOWu.A._pD.e03u7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Right on! Looks good enough for me. I'm gettin' one today. > > Mike > > P.S. Awwwww, no chance for 'UNSUBSCRIBE' on the back???? > ( Next time?? > LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 17:12:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15477; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 17:11:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 17:11:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: sample loopers + EDP Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 23:09:32 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] > It would be handy not to need a sequencer to make the sampler loop. > We have a MIDI note coming out of the EDP at loop start, so that > could trigger the sample. But so far the note is very short. We could > also send the NoteOFF at the end of the loop. Would that help anyone? The way I use a sampler with looping I would prefere not to have a NoteOFF at the end of the loop. This way I would still have the possibility to arm the sampler with a veeeery looong sample and thus having it overlapping/layering itself a bit for each EDP loop (cool for textures). If I want it to just restart with the loop I can simply reduce the samplers voices to one or two for stereo samples (for drum loops). > Or is it smarter to keep the note short and the user cuts the NoteOFF > with some MIDI device? I would prefere it short. If I want to have it trigger a long sample I would set the sampler program for a long release time. Regards PEr Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 17:36:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17787; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 17:34:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 17:34:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003801c14c52$6a9c9340$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <3BBB79D4.BE1F3CF9@cabq.gov> Subject: Re: Loopers Delight T Shirts! Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 16:28:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Looks GREAT! I'm in the US and I don't need Priority shipping. What's the "normal" shipping cost? Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 17:56:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18413; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 17:44:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 17:44:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BBB956D.19D773B9@cabq.gov> Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 15:47:10 -0700 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers Delight T Shirts! References: <3BBB79D4.BE1F3CF9@cabq.gov> <003801c14c52$6a9c9340$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Dennis, It going to be easier for me to use only Priority Shipping because I get to use their envelopes instead of buying them, and also so I dont have to keep track of different transactions... its going to be hard enough to get the sizes & colors to the right people! When I did a Video Tape project a few years ago the difference between the 2 shipping methods was very small, about 50 cents if I remember correctly. Not worth the extra 7-10 days it took for delivery. later, -jas Albuquerque Dennis Leas wrote: > Looks GREAT! > > I'm in the US and I don't need Priority shipping. What's the "normal" > shipping cost? > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 18:37:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21335; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 18:35:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 18:35:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 15:35:02 -0700 From: "Miko Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Loopers Delight T Shirts! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA21254 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Jason... I just did the PayPal thing, but neglected to fill in size and color info. I'd like an X-Large, color maroon. Thanks much for doing this! Best, -Miko >>> jfink@cabq.gov 10/03/01 01:49PM >>> Hi Guys, I have finally gotten off the ground with this project. The shirt design is courtesy of Rich, who had been working with Kim even before I got involved. I think everyone will agree that its just about perfect, even though there were plenty of other great ideas offered up. Kim has not had time to add the T-shirt page to the main LD site, but promises it will come soon soon. In addition it will always be hosted here: http://www.dimbulb.org/tshirt.htm Lots of sizes & 3 colors available. Profits will directly support this very list. Be sure to note the DEADLINE. Order NOW while the ordering is good! and yes, the smug looking goofball modeling the shirt is indeed me. so try to keep those wisecracks to a minimum... Any further questions about this project, or ordering can be directed to dimmo@dimbulb.org Put LD T-shirt in the subject line. Thanks Everyone! later, -jas Albuquerque From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 18:40:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21761; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 18:39:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 18:39:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BBB9390.4B1F4E34@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 15:39:12 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Noisefest in Sacramento CA References: <3BBB79D4.BE1F3CF9@cabq.gov> <012d01c14c4d$de4cea60$6b44230a@melon> <3BBB7C0A.28600FCA@chello.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Kids, Pal's of mine (Big City Orchestra) are playing a noisefest in Sacramento CA next weekend. I figured there was bound to be some loopage at this show. I know they use Macintosh iBooks, Korg KAOSS pads and Dr. Samples. here's the link for the info: http://emrl.com/noise_fest/schedule.html Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 21:09:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29786; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 21:06:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 21:06:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005d01c14c68$483dbd40$0e0aa8c0@den> From: "Doug Cox" To: Subject: Ping: 2 Amps in a Guitar Looping Setup? Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 20:05:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Posted this once, but the only feedback I got was in direct conflict with the question... I know that there's a few of you out there who'll have some info to share on this. Even if you think I'm making a mistake by trying to go this route - please let me know? Anyone? ======= I have 2 amps that I love dearly - a Roland JC120 and a Rivera Knucklehead. I'd like to take advantage of both of them in my setup, as I've already experienced the frustration of too many tones into a single guitar amp (ie, ick.). I know that by separating various components of my looping, I'll be able to build a much larger tone palette in a single looping "event". This question really drives at 2 issues - 1) I'm looking for the right 2nd loop or delay tool that fits my needs and 2) I'm looking for ideas on how to best take advantage of 2 amps in my looping guitar setup. Today, I'm setup as: Guitar -> Dynacomp -> FM4 Filter Modeler -> Rivera Amp -> Rivera Effects Loop Out -> Digitech RP7 -> Small Clone -> EDP -> Rivera Effects Loop Return Occasionally other stuff sprinkled in there, but you get the picture I hope! I'm thinking that if I add another looper/delay in the effects loop, with some sort of A/B box for bypassing, I'd be able to decide what signal goes to what amp. For instance: Guitar -> Dynacomp -> FM4 Filter Modeler -> Rivera Amp -> Rivera Effects Loop Out -> Digitech RP7 -> Small Clone -> A/B Box A/B Box (A) -> EDP -> Rivera Effects Loop Return A/B Box (B) -> DL4? -> Roland JC120 (slave) Will this work? Anybody tried something like this? Specific to the DL4 and the recent thread on it being in the effects loop... is that a problem? I'd like to do this without buying a mixer and dealing with pre/post fader auxes, etc, as some of you do. If nothing else, I figure an A/B Box is MUCH cheaper than even a basic mixer with the features I'd need. Any help greatly appreciated! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 21:58:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32224; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 21:56:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 21:56:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 21:59:55 -0400 Subject: Re: Ping: 2 Amps in a Guitar Looping Setup? From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005d01c14c68$483dbd40$0e0aa8c0@den> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com doug, i've done almost this exact set-up ( but it was almost ten years ago). i used a mesa boogie studio preamp into a music man amp fx return and a jc120. it worked pretty well but you'll spend a lot of time getting the gain structures right. i remember doing a lot of balancing to get all the amps and effects to see the correct levels. i also used a morley active A/B/Y box so that i could use either or both at the same time. my experience was that it did work, but it wasn;t worth the hours and hassles... but it may do the trick for you.. monk -- monk@fuse.net www.monkmusic.com on 10/3/01 8:05 PM, Doug Cox at bickleypunk@pdq.net wrote: > Posted this once, but the only feedback I got was in direct conflict with > the question... > I know that there's a few of you out there who'll have some info to share on > this. Even if you think I'm making a mistake by trying to go this route - > please let me know? > > Anyone? > > ======= > I have 2 amps that I love dearly - a Roland JC120 and a Rivera Knucklehead. > I'd like to take advantage of both of them in my setup, as I've already > experienced the frustration of too many tones into a single guitar amp (ie, > ick.). I know that by separating various components of my looping, I'll be > able to build a much larger tone palette in a single looping "event". This > question really drives at 2 issues - 1) I'm looking for the right 2nd loop > or delay tool that fits my needs and 2) I'm looking for ideas on how to best > take advantage of 2 amps in my looping guitar setup. > > Today, I'm setup as: > > Guitar -> Dynacomp -> FM4 Filter Modeler -> Rivera Amp -> Rivera Effects > Loop Out -> Digitech RP7 -> Small Clone -> EDP -> Rivera Effects Loop Return > > Occasionally other stuff sprinkled in there, but you get the picture I hope! > > I'm thinking that if I add another looper/delay in the effects loop, with > some sort of A/B box for bypassing, I'd be able to decide what signal goes > to what amp. For instance: > > Guitar -> Dynacomp -> FM4 Filter Modeler -> Rivera Amp -> Rivera Effects > Loop Out -> Digitech RP7 -> Small Clone -> A/B Box > A/B Box (A) -> EDP -> Rivera Effects Loop Return > A/B Box (B) -> DL4? -> Roland JC120 (slave) > > Will this work? Anybody tried something like this? Specific to the DL4 and > the recent thread on it being in the effects loop... is that a problem? > > I'd like to do this without buying a mixer and dealing with pre/post fader > auxes, etc, as some of you do. If nothing else, I figure an A/B Box is MUCH > cheaper than even a basic mixer with the features I'd need. > > Any help greatly appreciated! > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 22:59:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02378; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 22:52:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 22:52:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 19:53:18 -0700 Subject: Re: Ping: 2 Amps in a Guitar Looping Setup? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <005d01c14c68$483dbd40$0e0aa8c0@den> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: <2sFAf.A.qk.S78u7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you're looking for a looper as well, the Repeater has a whopping 4 outputs. As you're amps are mono in, you could use two of the outputs going to each amp. This would leave the other outputs to be used a stereo effect loop. The Repeater has four tracks which can be panned to either output. This would let you have your guitar signal go to either or both amps. The one drawback is that the initial signal would go to both. Still a pretty versatile setup. Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, October 3, 2001, at 05:05 PM, Doug Cox wrote: > Posted this once, but the only feedback I got was in direct conflict > with > the question... > I know that there's a few of you out there who'll have some info to > share on > this. Even if you think I'm making a mistake by trying to go this > route - > please let me know? > > Anyone? > > ======= > I have 2 amps that I love dearly - a Roland JC120 and a Rivera > Knucklehead. > I'd like to take advantage of both of them in my setup, as I've already > experienced the frustration of too many tones into a single guitar amp > (ie, > ick.). I know that by separating various components of my looping, > I'll be > able to build a much larger tone palette in a single looping "event". > This > question really drives at 2 issues - 1) I'm looking for the right 2nd > loop > or delay tool that fits my needs and 2) I'm looking for ideas on how to > best > take advantage of 2 amps in my looping guitar setup. > > Today, I'm setup as: > > Guitar -> Dynacomp -> FM4 Filter Modeler -> Rivera Amp -> Rivera Effects > Loop Out -> Digitech RP7 -> Small Clone -> EDP -> Rivera Effects Loop > Return > > Occasionally other stuff sprinkled in there, but you get the picture I > hope! > > I'm thinking that if I add another looper/delay in the effects loop, > with > some sort of A/B box for bypassing, I'd be able to decide what signal > goes > to what amp. For instance: > > Guitar -> Dynacomp -> FM4 Filter Modeler -> Rivera Amp -> Rivera Effects > Loop Out -> Digitech RP7 -> Small Clone -> A/B Box > A/B Box (A) -> EDP -> Rivera Effects Loop Return > A/B Box (B) -> DL4? -> Roland JC120 (slave) > > Will this work? Anybody tried something like this? Specific to the > DL4 and > the recent thread on it being in the effects loop... is that a problem? > > I'd like to do this without buying a mixer and dealing with pre/post > fader > auxes, etc, as some of you do. If nothing else, I figure an A/B Box is > MUCH > cheaper than even a basic mixer with the features I'd need. > > Any help greatly appreciated! > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 23:50:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04755; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 23:49:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 23:49:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011004034906.63210.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 20:49:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Satinover Subject: Speaking of loop libraries and Acid... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I save off improvisations and select segments I enjoy, sometimes I play with the loop but like to get the live performance as it humanizes the composition which Acid sometimes takes away. Now, speaking of Acid, anyone interested in setting up some kind of Acid respository, maybe even a Loopers Delight does Acid kind of thing? I have 20 of the libraries, they're useful in limited dosage but the fun of Acid for me at least is saving improv on guitar, synths, bass, percussion and hardware loops has helped me develop a compositional style that I would never have dreamed of five years ago. BTW, want to hear a very cool guitarist that works with Acid, hardware loopers and mostly guitar? Check out David Cooper Orton, http://www.mp3.com/davidcooperorton We're friends because I respect his music and struck up a conversation with him. I really enjoy his music and sense of space that a player like I could learn from. :) Bruce http://www.javamusic.com/satinover http://www.artistlaunch.com/satinover __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 00:48:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA07311; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 00:46:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 00:46:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b901c14c8f$26c0fa20$724728d5@a123456789> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <3BBB79D4.BE1F3CF9@cabq.gov> Subject: Re: Loopers Delight T Shirts! Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 05:43:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Jason, I'll be ordering mine soon! Gareth > > Hi Guys, > > I have finally gotten off the ground with this project. > The shirt design is courtesy of Rich, who had > been working with Kim even before I got involved. > I think everyone will agree that its just about perfect, even > though there were plenty of other great ideas offered up. > > Kim has not had time to add the T-shirt page to the > main LD site, but promises it will come soon soon. > > In addition it will always be hosted here: > > http://www.dimbulb.org/tshirt.htm > > Lots of sizes & 3 colors available. > Profits will directly support this very list. > Be sure to note the DEADLINE. > Order NOW while the ordering is good! > > and yes, the smug looking goofball modeling the shirt is indeed me. > so try to keep those wisecracks to a minimum... > > Any further questions about this project, or ordering can be > directed to > dimmo@dimbulb.org > Put LD T-shirt in the subject line. > > Thanks Everyone! > > later, > -jas > Albuquerque > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 01:08:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA09967; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 01:07:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 01:07:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00df01c14c92$0ff90a00$724728d5@a123456789> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: Subject: Re: COMPUTER PLUGINS for LOOP PROCESSING: a proposed new thread Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 06:04:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here are a few URLs as requested by a number of loopers. Q_delOizer: http://home.datacomm.ch/andr/qplugins/ OhmboyZ: http://www.ohmforce.com/articles/?type=homepage&media=flash SC plugins: http://www.multimania.com/scdevelop/indexa.htm This has become more commercial since I downloaded the baby sampler yonks ago. It was free then! All VST plugins are cross platform so Mac or PC is fine. I'd be intersted to find out what software people are using to run these plugins - AudioMulch, Reaktor ?? PS Forgot to mention GRM tools VST plugins -Awesome but not free : ( Hwyl, Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 01:09:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA10771; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 01:09:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 01:09:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.97.106] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loops for Acid Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 00:08:10 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2001 05:08:10.0746 (UTC) FILETIME=[8FF8ADA0:01C14C92] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh my, these are royality free loop libraries, they are not sample cd's. Lucien E. Darthard A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It. http://ldarthard.ohgo.com/ ----Original Message Follows---- From: leocavallo Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loops for Acid Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 21:06:19 +0200 trading or copying commercial sample CDs is not legal... If you have to, please do it off the list... and if you need quality samples look on the Internet... there's so much great stuff available for free, without fucking up any copyright law. ciao leo www.groundloops.com c o o l . s o u n d s & s a m p l e . c d s f r e e . s a m p l e s . a r c h i v e _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 01:25:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA11566; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 01:23:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 01:23:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011004052320.81743.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 22:23:20 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Matthias/Kim (or..What's the velocity, Kenneth?) To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm using a midi merger to send both midi clock from my EDP & midi notes from a Roland GI-10 Guitar/Midi Converter to an Oberheim Drummer. The effect I'm looking for is to have the Drummer synced to the EDP (no problem here) & to have the note velocity info from the GI-10 control the Drummer's volume. If I turn off the sync between the EDP & Drummer, I have no problem getting the Drummer's volume to respond to my playing dynamics. If I turn sync on, the velocity reponse is no longer there. Is it possible that, when sync is on, the EDP is sending a midi velocity messege that overrides those coming from the GI-10? Many thanks, John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 02:00:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA12713; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 01:59:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 01:59:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011003225253.0477bc18@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 22:56:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Matthias/Kim (or..What's the velocity, Kenneth?) In-Reply-To: <20011004052320.81743.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you want to be certain that nothing from the EDP is affecting the OB drummer, simply put them on different midi channels. Then the OB should ignore any messages from the EDP. Clock is global, so it doesn't matter if two things are on different channels, they still get clock. kim At 10:23 PM 10/3/2001, John Tidwell wrote: >I'm using a midi merger to send both midi clock from >my EDP & midi notes from a Roland GI-10 Guitar/Midi >Converter to an Oberheim Drummer. The effect I'm >looking for is to have the Drummer synced to the >EDP (no problem here) & to have the note velocity >info from the GI-10 control the Drummer's volume. > >If I turn off the sync between the EDP & Drummer, >I have no problem getting the Drummer's volume to >respond to my playing dynamics. If I turn sync on, >the velocity reponse is no longer there. > >Is it possible that, when sync is on, the EDP is >sending a midi velocity messege that overrides those >coming from the GI-10? > >Many thanks, > >John > > >===== >John Tidwell > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. >http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 02:17:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA13407; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 02:16:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 02:16:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011004061633.91470.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 23:16:33 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Matthias/Kim (or..What's the velocity, Kenneth?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011003225253.0477bc18@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Kim. I knew that. I just forgot that I knew that. 3:^/ (is this the proper emoticon for "head up my ass"? John --- Kim Flint wrote: > If you want to be certain that nothing from the EDP > is affecting the OB > drummer, simply put them on different midi channels. > Then the OB should > ignore any messages from the EDP. Clock is global, > so it doesn't matter if > two things are on different channels, they still get > clock. > > kim ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 02:51:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA14624; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 02:50:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 02:50:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011004084952.00d46960@mail.groundloops.com> X-Sender: 03groundloopscom@mail.groundloops.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 08:50:01 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: leocavallo Subject: Re: Loops for Acid Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <4wO6GB.A.qjD.IaAv7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com so what does it mean?! that I'm spending my life as a sound producer for Sonic Foundry just for free? :) wake up man. "royalty free" means that you can use the "Loops for Acid" material in your own compositions whithout any copyright hassle, NOT that you can freely copy and trade the CDs around the world... that's illegal. ciao leo At 00.08 04/10/01 -0500, you wrote: >Oh my, these are royality free loop libraries, they are not sample cd's. > >Lucien E. Darthard >A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It. > >http://ldarthard.ohgo.com/ > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: leocavallo >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Loops for Acid >Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 21:06:19 +0200 > >trading or copying commercial sample CDs is not legal... >If you have to, please do it off the list... >and if you need quality samples look on the Internet... there's so much >great stuff available for free, without fucking up any copyright law. > >ciao >leo > > >www.groundloops.com > >c o o l . s o u n d s & s a m p l e . c d s >f r e e . s a m p l e s . a r c h i v e > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp www.groundloops.com c o o l . s o u n d s & s a m p l e . c d s f r e e . s a m p l e s . a r c h i v e From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 02:51:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA14625; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 02:50:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 02:50:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011004084839.00d89850@mail.groundloops.com> X-Sender: 03groundloopscom@mail.groundloops.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 08:50:30 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: leocavallo Subject: Re: Loops for Acid In-Reply-To: <006e01c14c42$090bb800$6401a8c0@videotron.ca> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011003210228.00d87ac0@mail.groundloops.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I am just looking >for a cheap, but legal way to get quality loops: non-commercial / home-made >ones, ok ? no problem. try the samples @ www.groundloops.com ciao leo www.groundloops.com c o o l . s o u n d s & s a m p l e . c d s f r e e . s a m p l e s . a r c h i v e From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 03:45:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA16490; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 03:43:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 03:43:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 00:44:21 -0700 Subject: Re: Loops for Acid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20011004084839.00d89850@mail.groundloops.com> Message-Id: <9F65452E-B89B-11D5-BBFA-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually, I'm always amazed at how much a pain in the butt getting sample loops to be what I want, downloading, archiving, remembering what you have... so much so that I find it a LOT easier (and more fulfilling) to just make them! There's a bunch of pretty good apps, Reason is one, that will let you tweak drums to your heart's content. AND THEY WILL BE YOURS! I find if you do it on Hardware, you don't have to drag a computer to a gig. The Korg eTribe stuff is pretty good, and Roland makes a a bunch of different "grooveboxes" in different price points. Check stores for older stuff too, it's often still very good. Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, October 3, 2001, at 11:50 PM, leocavallo wrote: > >> I am just looking >> for a cheap, but legal way to get quality loops: non-commercial / >> home-made >> ones, ok ? > > no problem. > try the samples @ www.groundloops.com > > ciao > leo > > > www.groundloops.com > > c o o l . s o u n d s & s a m p l e . c d s > f r e e . s a m p l e s . a r c h i v e > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 04:09:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA17520; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 04:08:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 04:08:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005601c14cab$9ee5e670$51cec22b@cambmaya04> From: "Os" To: References: <3BBB79D4.BE1F3CF9@cabq.gov> Subject: Re: Loopers Delight T Shirts! Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 09:07:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Looks great! Is there no way to post them cheaper though? $9 for overseas shipping seems expensive for a t-shirt. Why not just use regular airmail? ta, os. os@scee.sony.co.uk http://www.mp3.com/carbonboy/ http://www.mp3.com/darkroomuk/ http://www.collective.co.uk/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Fink" To: "looper" Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 9:49 PM Subject: Loopers Delight T Shirts! > > Hi Guys, > > I have finally gotten off the ground with this project. > The shirt design is courtesy of Rich, who had > been working with Kim even before I got involved. > I think everyone will agree that its just about perfect, even > though there were plenty of other great ideas offered up. > > Kim has not had time to add the T-shirt page to the > main LD site, but promises it will come soon soon. > > In addition it will always be hosted here: > > http://www.dimbulb.org/tshirt.htm > > Lots of sizes & 3 colors available. > Profits will directly support this very list. > Be sure to note the DEADLINE. > Order NOW while the ordering is good! > > and yes, the smug looking goofball modeling the shirt is indeed me. > so try to keep those wisecracks to a minimum... > > Any further questions about this project, or ordering can be > directed to > dimmo@dimbulb.org > Put LD T-shirt in the subject line. > > Thanks Everyone! > > later, > -jas > Albuquerque > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 05:25:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA19578; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 05:24:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 05:24:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011004015743.02589720@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 02:20:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Loopers Delight T Shirts! In-Reply-To: <005601c14cab$9ee5e670$51cec22b@cambmaya04> References: <3BBB79D4.BE1F3CF9@cabq.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <3Hq2zB.A.txE.JqCv7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've done a bunch of projects like this for other sites, it's a huge pain to do regular airmail because it costs different for every country you send to, and also varies by weight (shirt size). So you have to get every package stamped separately at the post office and deal with different prices for everybody's orders. Global Priority is the same cost everywhere and doesn't vary with weight. You just get a bunch of stamps and do it all at once and it is simple. That will be much easier for our friend Jason to manage! If you look at http://www.usps.gov they have postage calculators for international shipping from the US. you will see that regular airmail varies from being only slightly cheaper than global priority to much more depending on weight and destination. In the best case you don't save very much, and you can pay much more in the worst case. Jason has been kind enough to donate his time to do this project, please let's not make him work twice as hard just so you can save $1 on shipping costs! kim At 01:07 AM 10/4/2001, Os wrote: >Looks great! > >Is there no way to post them cheaper though? $9 for overseas shipping seems >expensive for a t-shirt. Why not just use regular airmail? > > >ta, >os. > >os@scee.sony.co.uk >http://www.mp3.com/carbonboy/ >http://www.mp3.com/darkroomuk/ >http://www.collective.co.uk/ >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jason Fink" >To: "looper" >Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 9:49 PM >Subject: Loopers Delight T Shirts! > > > > > > Hi Guys, > > > > I have finally gotten off the ground with this project. > > The shirt design is courtesy of Rich, who had > > been working with Kim even before I got involved. > > I think everyone will agree that its just about perfect, even > > though there were plenty of other great ideas offered up. > > > > Kim has not had time to add the T-shirt page to the > > main LD site, but promises it will come soon soon. > > > > In addition it will always be hosted here: > > > > http://www.dimbulb.org/tshirt.htm > > > > Lots of sizes & 3 colors available. > > Profits will directly support this very list. > > Be sure to note the DEADLINE. > > Order NOW while the ordering is good! > > > > and yes, the smug looking goofball modeling the shirt is indeed me. > > so try to keep those wisecracks to a minimum... > > > > Any further questions about this project, or ordering can be > > directed to > > dimmo@dimbulb.org > > Put LD T-shirt in the subject line. > > > > Thanks Everyone! > > > > later, > > -jas > > Albuquerque > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 05:31:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA19935; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 05:30:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 05:30:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: simon@mail.austarmetro.com.au Message-Id: Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 19:20:43 +1000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Simon Subject: Re: OT: matrix-1000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >can anybody direct me to some >site where i could find a dedicated >editor for this box, if it exists ? >if not, what sw are you using >to program the matrix ? >help ... I think that Access (makers of the Virus synth) used to make a hardware editor for the Matrix, but they stopped making these two years ago. Simon Canberra AUSTRALIA From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 06:45:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA21865; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 06:44:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 06:44:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c14cc1$65970640$51cec22b@cambmaya04> From: "Os" To: References: <3BBB79D4.BE1F3CF9@cabq.gov> <5.1.0.14.2.20011004015743.02589720@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Loopers Delight T Shirts! Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 11:43:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > If you look at http://www.usps.gov they have postage calculators for > international shipping from the US. you will see that regular airmail > varies from being only slightly cheaper than global priority to much more > depending on weight and destination. In the best case you don't save very > much, and you can pay much more in the worst case. Jason has been kind > enough to donate his time to do this project, please let's not make him > work twice as hard just so you can save $1 on shipping costs! hey, no worries! I had it in my head that airmail would be much cheaper (like $3-$4) but obviously I'm living in a past golden age of postage... :( cheers, os. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 08:18:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA24961; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 08:17:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 08:17:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Karl Sangree" To: Subject: RE: COMPUTER PLUGINS for LOOP PROCESSING: a proposed new thread Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 08:18:52 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <00df01c14c92$0ff90a00$724728d5@a123456789> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gareth, Many thanks for the links. The q-deloiser delay is the last piece of the puzzle for me. I was looking for a computer version of the Line 6 DL 4 delay modeler, and the q-deloiser is as close as I have found, but I think it will work. Now it's time to get the didgeridoos and see what I can do! BTW, I am using AudioMulch, I am new to computer based looping and it's the only software I know. Thanks again, Karl "We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams" Willy Wonka >>From: whiteoakstudios [mailto:whiteoakstudios@supanet.com] >> >>Here are a few URLs as requested by a number of loopers. >>I'd be intersted to find out what software people are using to run these >>plugins - AudioMulch, Reaktor ?? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 10:35:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31398; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 10:34:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 10:34:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 11:34:10 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP question - changing tempo by tapping while looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Per Boysen asks: >I have only played with the Repeater and this unit does a timestrech of the >loop (loops) when you tap a tempo change. But how does the EDP answer to a >tapped tempo change? AFAIK it cannot timestrech on the fly. Do you have to >play new loops into the EDP after making a tempo change? The EDP adapts to small time changes by chopping off a bit at the end of the loop. If the tempo changes more, it falls out of sync, which may make you play new loops, right :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 10:40:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31929; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 10:39:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 10:39:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011004143810.88597.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 07:38:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Satinover Subject: Re: Loops for ACID To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I used a couple of loops from some of the libraries I purchased and had to send paperwork which Sonic Foundry was nice enough to fax me stating that all library loops are royalty free. They are cool to use commercially but it's a good idea to keep records of your purchase. Bruce http://www.artistlaunch.com/xspace __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 11:08:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00714; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 11:06:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 11:06:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Audio Mulch for Live Performance To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.8 Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 11:11:15 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anyone used Audio Mulch live? I am planning to here fairly soon-running it on a 1ghz laptop--any issues one might need to look out for? I have noticed that it is fairly easy to overload it and get some nast digital sounds-any suggestions on how this can be avoided? thanks so much c.white From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 11:29:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01634; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 11:27:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 11:27:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: Repeater sound clip Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 17:26:58 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi list, For you that are curious on some of the effects you can acheive by midi controlling the Repeater I have posted a 1,26 mb sound clip at http://www.fuzz.se/repeater/RepeaterTest01.mp3 Nothing special, musically, just a loose jam on an old Hendrix tune. Repeater was slaved to a sequencer running a drum loop. Then I played a guitar into Repeater while midi controling it. Recorded live in one take. The first thing I did, under the drum intro, was to send the midi msg for tuning down a track one octave. You can hear that the guitar riff starts looping an octave down on that track. You can also hear one of the big drawbacks with Repeater IMHO - that I had to play for another loop before being able to get back into record mode again (now on another track). So I kept filling up the other 3 tracks with stuff, changing record track by midi all the time. The harmony solo was layered on one track, while record looping in overdub mode. I had in mind to make much more harmonies before taking them all away in a snap by sending an Undo msg, but somehow I fogot this while playing. Anyway, at the end you can hear that brilliant "midi controller 14 effect" that was discussed earlier on the list. Repeater goes up and down in tempo and pitch like a reel to reel machine or a vinyl being manipulated. You could do some cool stuff with an expression pedal sending cntr 14, I guess. Right after that you can also hear how Repeater does not go back to the original pitch as it should when getting cntrl 14 value 64. The tuned down "bass track" also came back to normal tuning after the "wild scratching". Well, some damn cool things in the repeater but also some bugs to get ironed out with software upgrades... hopefully ;) ciao Per Boysen ________________________________________________ http://www.boysen.se Too loud? Check out my AMBIENT INTERNET RADIO at http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=p_boy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 11:32:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01965; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 11:31:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 11:31:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PaulPokr@aol.com Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 11:29:53 EDT Subject: Anyone have experience with the TASCAM USB-428? To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <167.1db1bea.28edda71@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm in the market for a new DAW interface (PC-based) for use with Cubase. I was toying with the USB device TASCAM has on the market to get the control surface aspect as well as getting analog and digital i/o into my workstation. I've heard negative rumors re: using USB for audio hence my reluctance in popping for the USB-428. I've checked the Tascam and the Steinberg boards and saw the usual hardware platform-related and other problem situations. My PC rig should work fine with the unit, btw. I did see some, to me, high latency levels mentioned (e.g. 31 ms) though. Any comments on this device? I DO like the girl using the 428 in the Tascam advertisements (although she looks a tad P.O.'ed at something. Hope it's not the USB 428). Regards, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 11:49:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02863; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 11:48:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 11:48:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BBC9362.862DC3A6@cabq.gov> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 09:50:42 -0700 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anyone have experience with the TASCAM USB-428? References: <167.1db1bea.28edda71@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7aO7CB.A.Ns.rSIv7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Paul, I use one with my laptop computer. I have not really mastered the intricacies. Pretty much only used it to capture my improvised loopy ramblings, analog input. Haven't even done any multi-track stuff, but I like it allot. Hmm, I guess that this review isn't very informative, is it? later, -jas Albuquerque PaulPokr@aol.com wrote: > I'm in the market for a new DAW interface (PC-based) for use with Cubase. I was toying with the USB device TASCAM has on the market to get the control surface aspect as well as getting analog and digital i/o into my workstation. > > I've heard negative rumors re: using USB for audio hence my reluctance in popping for the USB-428. I've checked the Tascam and the Steinberg boards and saw the usual hardware platform-related and other problem situations. My PC rig should work fine with the unit, btw. > > I did see some, to me, high latency levels mentioned (e.g. 31 ms) though. > > Any comments on this device? I DO like the girl using the 428 in the Tascam advertisements (although she looks a tad P.O.'ed at something. Hope it's not the USB 428). > > Regards, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 11:57:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03392; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 11:56:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 11:56:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 08:53:07 -0700 Subject: Re: Anyone have experience with the TASCAM USB-428? Message-ID: <20011004.085308.-177285.3.tony-moore@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Tony Moore Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey jas, so are you tracking live thru it? what are your laptop specs? thanks, tony On Thu, 04 Oct 2001 09:50:42 -0700 Jason Fink writes: > > Paul, > > I use one with my laptop computer. I have not really mastered > the intricacies. > Pretty much only used it to capture my improvised loopy > ramblings, analog input. > Haven't even done any multi-track stuff, but I like it allot. > > Hmm, I guess that this review isn't very informative, is it? > > later, > -jas > Albuquerque > > > PaulPokr@aol.com wrote: > > > I'm in the market for a new DAW interface (PC-based) for use with > Cubase. I was toying with the USB device TASCAM has on the market to > get the control surface aspect as well as getting analog and digital > i/o into my workstation. > > > > I've heard negative rumors re: using USB for audio hence my > reluctance in popping for the USB-428. I've checked the Tascam and > the Steinberg boards and saw the usual hardware platform-related and > other problem situations. My PC rig should work fine with the unit, > btw. > > > > I did see some, to me, high latency levels mentioned (e.g. 31 ms) > though. > > > > Any comments on this device? I DO like the girl using the 428 in > the Tascam advertisements (although she looks a tad P.O.'ed at > something. Hope it's not the USB 428). > > > > Regards, Paul > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 11:59:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03702; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 11:58:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 11:58:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: giuseppe_poteet@worldnet.att.net User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 08:50:59 -0700 Subject: WTT: SP-202 To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got this Boss SP-202 Dr. Sample thingy, with 4 mb smart card, & it doesn't really do it for me. I'd like to trade it for some other looping/delay pedal if anyone's interested. I'm also open to trades for effects boxes & mics. Thanks Tom > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 12:34:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05311; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 12:33:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 12:33:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00741CB@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: a modest proposal Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 12:30:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C14CF1.DFBD77D0" Resent-Message-ID: <5oZFwB.A.eRB.77Iv7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14CF1.DFBD77D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" re gregg bendian's interzone with nels cline and alex cline. i think that stig is in pretty thick with these guys and has held down the low end in this very ensemble. ** yep. nels and alex play on one of my latest cds. nels and i are in a band that'll have a little cd out in jan 02 or so. i'm in a band with mssr bendian that has a release in sept 2002 or so. bendian's interzone cds with bass players: #1: mark dresser (acoustic bass) #2: me (electric bass) #3: joel hamilton (acoustic bass) #4: ?????? ( i only assume that gregg is writing for this right now) tour is with kermit driscoll (ex-bill frisell band) on both acoustic and electric, i think. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14CF1.DFBD77D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: a modest proposal

re gregg bendian's interzone with nels cline and alex = cline.


i think that stig is in pretty thick with these guys = and has held down the
low end in this very ensemble.



** yep. nels and alex play on one of my latest cds. = nels and i are in a band that'll have a little cd out in jan 02 or so. = i'm in a band with mssr  bendian that has a release in sept 2002 = or so.

bendian's interzone cds with bass players:

#1: mark dresser (acoustic bass)

#2: me (electric bass)

#3: joel hamilton (acoustic bass)

#4: ?????? ( i only assume that gregg is writing for = this right now)

tour is with kermit driscoll (ex-bill frisell band) = on both acoustic and electric, i think.

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C14CF1.DFBD77D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 12:38:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05702; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 12:37:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 12:37:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.97.106] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WTT: SP-202 Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 11:36:29 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2001 16:36:29.0589 (UTC) FILETIME=[B8000450:01C14CF2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have the same unit, and it's been great for me in a pinch (I've had it since 1998, which is a long time, gear wise). Maybe I can assist you, maybe it has the functions you need, but not apparent. Lucien E. Darthard A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It. http://ldarthard.ohgo.com/ ----Original Message Follows---- From: giuseppe_poteet@worldnet.att.net Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Subject: WTT: SP-202 Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 08:50:59 -0700 I've got this Boss SP-202 Dr. Sample thingy, with 4 mb smart card, & it doesn't really do it for me. I'd like to trade it for some other looping/delay pedal if anyone's interested. I'm also open to trades for effects boxes & mics. Thanks Tom > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 12:41:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06146; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 12:40:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 12:40:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 12:40:21 -0400 From: David Kenzik To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Heavy Duty Switches for EDP Message-ID: <20011004124021.I4026@over.react.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If anyone has replaced their EDP controller's switches with heavy-duty steel switches (like the ones on the Line 6 pedals, etc.), or have built a controller with these types of switches, could you be so kind to post URL's or other contact information for the parts? I searched the archive for about an hour, but couldn't find anything except part numbers for replacement switches from mouser.com. -- David S. Kenzik david@kenzik.com - http://kenzik.com Original Music - http://kenzik.com/music From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 12:45:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06496; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 12:44:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 12:44:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BBCA09E.D0FA47B@cabq.gov> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 10:47:11 -0700 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: a modest proposal References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00741CB@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Liebig, Steuart A." wrote: > ** yep. nels and alex play on one of my latest cds. Steuart, Do you have any sound snippetts web enabled? Would this CD satisify those of us who nearly worship Nels Cline? Are you selling autographed copies to your comrades on LD? -jas Albuquerque From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 13:09:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07602; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 13:07:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 13:07:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.97.106] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: leocavallo@groundloops.com Subject: Re: Loops for Acid Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 12:06:31 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2001 17:06:31.0515 (UTC) FILETIME=[EA081AB0:01C14CF6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I know I've done it now. I have waited to see the reaction to my post, before I made comment (I've seen this sort of thing escalate in the past), so for the last and FINAL time, I will not do the trade). This is a very sensitive issue, one that has me in a very difficult position. I have been getting Loops for ACID since ACID 1.0a (I was one of the first to get this back in the day), and frankly it was before Sonic Foundry had the internet set up it had today, whereas you could sample (download) loops to get a feel of what they were like. Several of my loop purchases were from the local Guitar Center, and they did not even have a PC set up where you could review the loops, so on several occasions, I purchased Loops, that when I got them home, and to my chagrin, they were not what I needed, and the $30 or $40 bucks I shelled out was a lost. (Guitar Center is not like MicroCenter, they will not take back open software, and they consider Loops For Acid, software). So I have quite a few of those Loops, that have been sitting around for the past couple of years, doing nothing. So, one of the Loopers, wanted to trade for some of my Loops, I jumped to the chance, just in the slim chance, that I could recoup my losses, if not just to get some loops that I could use. This was NOT going to be a cash transaction, but barter instead ! I get the impression, that some of the Loop Producers who are in our group, fear that I was going to undermine the very structure of our economy with this transaction. Trust me, there are things happening in the world, far more insidious, than my trading a couple of "old" Loop CD's. What about the WAREZ groups, who are offering the newest version of ACID for free ? There are more folks with cracked versions of ACID, than folks who actually bought it. Nobody is beating the drum for that ! I bought all my versions of ACID, and that does get me UPSET ! And what about some sites offering ACID loops for download !?! I have seen Torn and some other producers loops out there for download on a couple of occasions, how come no one is shutting those sites down ? I know I was targeted,because I was in direct site, but I am not the one to be jumping on... by far. Mr. Torn and Mr. Cavallo have expressed their opinion in this matter, and I respect their opposition in this issue. Whether or not they would had lost any revenue over my trade... hummmm I doubt it. I don't think their loops were in my "trade bin". Lucien E. Darthard A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It. http://ldarthard.ohgo.com/ ----Original Message Follows---- From: leocavallo To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Loops for Acid Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 08:48:12 +0200 so what does it mean?! that I'm spending my life as a sound producer for Sonic Foundry just for free? :) wake up man. "royalty free" means that you can use the "Loops for Acid" material in your own compositions whithout any copyright hassle, NOT that you can freely copy and trade the CDs around the world... that's illegal. ciao leo At 00.08 04/10/01 -0500, you wrote: >Oh my, these are royality free loop libraries, they are not sample cd's. > >Lucien E. Darthard >A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It. > >http://ldarthard.ohgo.com/ > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: leocavallo >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Loops for Acid >Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 21:06:19 +0200 > >trading or copying commercial sample CDs is not legal... >If you have to, please do it off the list... >and if you need quality samples look on the Internet... there's so much >great stuff available for free, without fucking up any copyright law. > >ciao >leo > > >www.groundloops.com > >c o o l . s o u n d s & s a m p l e . c d s >f r e e . s a m p l e s . a r c h i v e > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > www.groundloops.com c o o l . s o u n d s & s a m p l e . c d s f r e e . s a m p l e s . a r c h i v e _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 13:21:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08142; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 13:20:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 13:20:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 10:19:57 -0700 Subject: Re: Anyone have experience with the TASCAM USB-428? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: kevin cooney To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <167.1db1bea.28edda71@aol.com> Message-Id: <08DE4FA6-B8EC-11D5-AB1B-000393152862@opendoor.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: <2j5KJB.A.--B.BpJv7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Paul: We have been using the Tascam 428 with a Macintonsh first generation Imac for about six months now. We've heard all the discussions about pros and cons of USB, etc, and we been recording with computers for the past five years, and this thing sounds better then anything we've tried so far. There are limitations. It's essentially a high sampling (48khz/24bit) digital version of the Tascam portastudios, but if you can live with the input limitations it's wonderful for the money. Also there can be latency issues depending on your computer (processor, hard drive speed, ram, etc). That said, we are using the first generation (233 mhz) Imac with an IBM deskstar 72000 rpm/30 gig drive, and we are more then happy with what we can do, and how good the 428 sounds running Digital Performer 2.7. Just to give you a comparison, a cd played through the imac and run through the Tascam board, sounds significantly better then a cd played through our 24 bit/ 96 khz DVD player. We were surprised at this, but we later found out that the Tascam actually has 24/bit/96 khz filter installed, but the limitation of USB bandwidth and 4 track input puts the Tascam ceiling at 48khz. If you can spend more, look closely at the units in the $700 range, especially those employing firewire. In theory firewire devices should have less latency and more bandwidth, but also realize that there are other issues with power supplies, circuitry design, input, etc. that ultimately affect the usability and "sound" of a input/converter device. As we said, for the money, the Tascam 428 is awfully good. And you do have real sliders to push around whatever is going on up there on your computer screen. Also there has been very good customer support by way of the Tascam bulletin board for the 428. best, Kevin PS: we don't know the girl in the picture. Maybe she's irked because she's on a Wintel machine. ;) On Thursday, October 4, 2001, at 08:29 AM, PaulPokr@aol.com wrote: > I'm in the market for a new DAW interface (PC-based) for use with > Cubase. I was toying with the USB device TASCAM has on the market to > get the control surface aspect as well as getting analog and digital > i/o into my workstation. > > I've heard negative rumors re: using USB for audio hence my reluctance > in popping for the USB-428. I've checked the Tascam and the Steinberg > boards and saw the usual hardware platform-related and other problem > situations. My PC rig should work fine with the unit, btw. > > I did see some, to me, high latency levels mentioned (e.g. 31 ms) > though. > > Any comments on this device? I DO like the girl using the 428 in the > Tascam advertisements (although she looks a tad P.O.'ed at something. > Hope it's not the USB 428). > > Regards, Paul > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 13:23:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08470; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 13:22:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 13:22:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.97.106] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: tessier.geron@videotron.ca Subject: Re: Loops for Acid Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 12:21:20 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2001 17:21:20.0532 (UTC) FILETIME=[FBED5540:01C14CF8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This might not be a good idea. A few Producers who are in the group, have CONSTANTLY reminded me that the ACID LOOPS are not free, and I can't give them away. I have a very good standing with Sonic Foundry, and their products, I do not wish to jeopardize that relationship, for a transaction, that I thought would be cool ! So I will offer MY own personal loops (I am a producer also) so just give me the music type you are interested in, and I can have them up on KaZaa, or Morpheus, it doesn't matter; by Friday at 8:30 pm CST. The search criteria will be "Dj Devious D - Loopx), X being the loop number. These will be mp3'd at 128 kbs, and the number of Loops will depend upon what music category you chose (House, Hip Hop, Ambient, Jazz, Tones, or Vocals). Lucien E. Darthard A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It. http://ldarthard.ohgo.com/ ----Original Message Follows---- From: Emmanuelle Tessier & Aurélien Géron To: Subject: Re: Loops for Acid Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 10:43:54 -0400 Hi, Lucien is a very common first name in France and in Quebec, that's why I thought you might be french. ;-) I do have a fast internet connection, so we can go the KaZaa way, if you prefer. I've seen KaZaa on some friend's computer, and it looks just like Morpheus (which I have installed on my computer). Is it the same thing or should I install KaZaa specifically ? What do I need to know ? Your KaZaa login I guess, or just the time the files will be there and their names ? Is there anything you would like me to put on KaZaa for you ? Thanks a lot lucifer ;-) Aurelien. ps: I visited your web-site: small, but fun! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dj Devious D" To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 1:06 AM Subject: Re: Loops for Acid > Que ? > No, I am in Chicago...... > If You have, a FAST internet connection, I could simply MP3 up a few of them > for you to download from me from either WinMx, AudioGalaxy, or KaZaa. Just > email me back for the info, or let me know what you need. > > Lucien E. Darthard > A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It. > http://ldarthard.ohgo.com/ > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Emmanuelle Tessier & Aurélien Géron > To: > Subject: Re: Loops for Acid > Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 14:46:00 -0400 > > Cool ! > > Lucien, c'est français, non ? > > If you're in Montreal, I could bring you copies of my two loop CDs and > possibly borrow or copy on the spot some of your CDs, I would greatly > appreciate that. Or you could come to my place, as you wish. Or we could > send them by mail, whatever ! > > What do you prefer? > > Aurélien. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dj Devious D" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 1:54 PM > Subject: Re: Loops for Acid > > > I have a bunch, that I could share. Whaca lookin' for. I have a paltry > library of 10 CD's.... (I create my own loops from scratch, so the libraries > are sometimes a moot point). > > Lucien E. Darthard > A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It. > Cell Phone 1-773-578-3504 > http://ldarthard.ohgo.com/ > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Emmanuelle Tessier & Aurélien Géron > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > To: > Subject: Loops for Acid > Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 11:18:49 -0400 > > Hi y'all, > > Any loopers in Montreal ? I'm looking for Loops for Acid CDs: do you have > any to sell / trade / give away for free ;-) ? > > Tx, > Aurelien. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.282 / Virus Database: 150 - Release Date: 01-09-25 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 13:55:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09892; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 13:54:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 13:54:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00741D4@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "Looper's Delight (E-mail)" Subject: RE: also starving musicians Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 13:51:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C14CFD.34404A70" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14CFD.34404A70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" But to become a really good musician you may have to put a lot of time into it - something that is almost impossible with a daytime job on the side. Quite often good pro musicians get hired on better deals than amateurs. ** i think that you're *basically* right . . . with the caveat that there are people (with 6 cds out under my own name, plus projects for other people and some other stuff in the can or in the works, i might number myself among them) who seem to get stuff done with a day job and all. it's hard, but it's doable. the other side of the coin is that, in my opinion/experience (having known people who made pretty decent money but ended up hating playing because they played crap), i think that being a "pro" musician can be an awful lot like having a day job - - you get paid to do something for someone else and you may not always like it. i think that the people who can do exactly (or damn close to) what they really want/feel/hear are amazingly lucky and not that common. basically, this could bring up the debate between art and commerce - - as i said, people who seem to have a seamless interaction between them seem very rare from what i can tell. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14CFD.34404A70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: also starving musicians

But to become a really good musician you may have to = put a lot of time into it - something that is
almost impossible with a daytime job on the side. = Quite often good pro
musicians get hired on better deals than = amateurs.



** i think that you're *basically* right . . .  = with the caveat that there are people (with 6 cds out under my own = name, plus projects for other people and some other stuff in the can or = in the works, i might number myself among them) who seem to get stuff = done with a day job and all. it's hard, but it's doable.

the other side of the coin is that, in my = opinion/experience (having known people who made pretty decent money = but ended up hating playing because they played crap), i think that = being a "pro" musician can be an awful lot like having a day = job - - you get paid to do something for someone else and you may not = always like it.

i think that the people who can do exactly (or damn = close to) what they really want/feel/hear are amazingly lucky and not = that common. 

basically, this could bring up the debate between art = and commerce - - as i said, people who seem to have a seamless = interaction between them seem very rare from what i can = tell.

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C14CFD.34404A70-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 14:06:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10691; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 14:05:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 14:05:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006d01c14cfe$f8b06b00$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <3BBB79D4.BE1F3CF9@cabq.gov> <5.1.0.14.2.20011004015743.02589720@loopers-delight.com> <001001c14cc1$65970640$51cec22b@cambmaya04> Subject: Re: Loopers Delight T Shirts! Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 19:04:09 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It should be pointed out that since Sept 11 mail from the US at least as far as the UK is concerned is awfully slow. My parents sent a pair of shoes to me on Sept 10th. Even with the obvious delay regarding air travel it took until yesterday to get here! I would think that a t-shirt would take up less space, but I just thought I'd let yez know in advance, so that Os doesn't get nailed with tons of "Where's my @#$ t-shirt?" messages and such. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Os" To: Sent: 04 October 2001 11:43 AM Subject: Re: Loopers Delight T Shirts! > > If you look at http://www.usps.gov they have postage calculators for > > international shipping from the US. you will see that regular airmail > > varies from being only slightly cheaper than global priority to much more > > depending on weight and destination. In the best case you don't save very > > much, and you can pay much more in the worst case. Jason has been kind > > enough to donate his time to do this project, please let's not make him > > work twice as hard just so you can save $1 on shipping costs! > > hey, no worries! > > I had it in my head that airmail would be much cheaper (like $3-$4) but > obviously I'm living in a past golden age of postage... :( > > > cheers, > os. > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 14:29:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11706; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 14:28:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 14:28:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Multiple Loop PLaying Software To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.8 Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 14:32:39 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com does anyone know of an interactive loop playing software device for pc? i would like to be able to trigger off a few loops ina live situation from my laptop--any suggestions? thanks c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 14:34:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12032; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 14:32:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 14:32:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 13:32:18 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Heavy Duty Switches for EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <02c301c14d02$e5cdfd00$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20011004124021.I4026@over.react.net> Resent-Message-ID: <44ATiB.A.37C.3sKv7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i've asked about this before. i like the ones one the digitech fs-300, so i made a three function switch out of mine. (this keeps me from using it on the repeater, of course) i looked at the number on those switches once, but i couldn't find them. i can't remember the number but i will look at them again. i still am thinking of making a full edp pedal using them.... > If anyone has replaced their EDP controller's switches with heavy-duty steel > switches (like the ones on the Line 6 pedals, etc.), or have built a > controller with these types of switches, could you be so kind to post URL's > or other contact information for the parts? > > I searched the archive for about an hour, but couldn't find anything except > part numbers for replacement switches from mouser.com. > > -- > David S. Kenzik > david@kenzik.com - http://kenzik.com > Original Music - http://kenzik.com/music > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 14:37:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12373; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 14:36:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 14:36:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 13:35:54 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Anyone have experience with the TASCAM USB-428? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <02dc01c14d03$66f83df0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <08DE4FA6-B8EC-11D5-AB1B-000393152862@opendoor.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-bUfuB.A.xAD.LwKv7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Maybe she's irked because she's on a Wintel machine. aack! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 14:43:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12825; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 14:42:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 14:42:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 15:42:24 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: SV: sample loopers + EDP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias asked > > It would be handy not to need a sequencer to make the sampler loop. >> We have a MIDI note coming out of the EDP at loop start, so that >> could trigger the sample. But so far the note is very short. We could > > also send the NoteOFF at the end of the loop. Would that help anyone? PEr Boysen answered: >The way I use a sampler with looping I would prefere not to have a NoteOFF >at the end of the loop. This way I would still have the possibility to arm >the sampler with a veeeery looong sample and thus having it >overlapping/layering itself a bit for each EDP loop (cool for textures). If >I want it to just restart with the loop I can simply reduce the samplers >voices to one or two for stereo samples (for drum loops). ok, this makes sense! > > Or is it smarter to keep the note short and the user cuts the NoteOFF >> with some MIDI device? > >I would prefere it short. If I want to have it trigger a long sample I would >set the sampler program for a long release time. Oh, thats simpler than I thought... Its a shame, I never had a sampler to work with... do they all have such huge release times? So it seems I can leve the short note as it is. My primary intension was to throw a little dot on the sequencers screen to make the cycle and loop start points visible... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 15:04:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13827; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 15:03:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 15:03:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BBCB226.9EA78CC4@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 12:01:59 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Multiple Loop PLaying Software References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Check out ACID by Soundforge. Christopher White wrote: > does anyone know of an interactive loop playing software > device for pc? i would like to be able to trigger off a few > loops ina live situation from my laptop--any suggestions? > thanks > c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 15:04:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14003; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 15:03:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 15:03:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.97.106] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Multiple Loop PLaying Software Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 14:02:31 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2001 19:02:31.0508 (UTC) FILETIME=[1E82C140:01C14D07] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Try http://www.mixman.com/ the Mixman DM2 can do this. Lucien E. Darthard A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It. Cell Phone 1-773-578-3504 http://ldarthard.ohgo.com/ ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Christopher White" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Multiple Loop PLaying Software Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 14:32:39 -0400 does anyone know of an interactive loop playing software device for pc? i would like to be able to trigger off a few loops ina live situation from my laptop--any suggestions? thanks c _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 15:08:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14376; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 15:07:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 15:07:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.97.106] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Multiple Loop PLaying Software Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 14:06:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2001 19:06:34.0628 (UTC) FILETIME=[AF6BEC40:01C14D07] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ACID is not the best choice for live performances... well IMHO. Lucien E. Darthard A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It. Cell Phone 1-773-578-3504 http://ldarthard.ohgo.com/ ----Original Message Follows---- From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Multiple Loop PLaying Software Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 12:01:59 -0700 Check out ACID by Soundforge. Christopher White wrote: > does anyone know of an interactive loop playing software > device for pc? i would like to be able to trigger off a few > loops ina live situation from my laptop--any suggestions? > thanks > c _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 19:15:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28406; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 19:05:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 19:05:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011004230405.75909.qmail@web11005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 16:04:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Joseph Buck Subject: Re: Live Mulch To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200110041721.NAA08357@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey There- Massive delurk here, but am so motivated by my love for AudioMulch as a LIVE tool. I try now to maximize this by when I create I always save a version not only as a .wav, but also as an audio mulch template to play live at some point down the road. I avoid using any audio in live as a rule. I have run into problems at the studio, so I don't feel the need to export it live. I LOVE MOMENTS OF DISTORTION. Rehearse your piece well enough, and you will be able to not only find where any bugs might be (including distortion or drops) but to exploit or play them up. When I am playing with someone, I always stress to differ to the computer, esp if I bring up tempo changes, or use delays to pong beats, as odd (and wonderful things can occur along the journey). Otherwise depending on your processor and hardware and audio out, you have a really great instrument on your hands for live performance. be well, Joseph Buck > Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 11:11:15 -0400 > From: "Christopher White" > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Audio Mulch for Live Performance > > Has anyone used Audio Mulch live? I am planning to > here > fairly soon-running it on a 1ghz laptop--any issues > one > might need to look out for? I have noticed that it > is fairly > easy to overload it and get some nast digital > sounds-any > suggestions on how this can be avoided? > thanks so much > c.white __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 19:20:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28727; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 19:10:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 19:10:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00741D9@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: a modest proposal Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 17:15:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C14D19.BC8309B0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14D19.BC8309B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Steuart, Do you have any sound snippetts web enabled? ** i don't have any personally. and i'm not sure the label web site has any - - the pieces are all very long (14 to 22 minutes). you can try: http://www.cryptogramophone.com/album.asp?id=109 Would this CD satisify those of us who nearly worship Nels Cline? ** dunno. he's on one piece - - the last on the record (17 minutes or so). (each piece is a concerto for a primary soloist with improvising backing band, soloists are tom varner, mark dresser, vinny golia and mssr cline.) if you're into clinedom, i think he plays his ass off on his piece (and is, therefore, worshipful); for ot, it has a really sick bit of synchronicty between loopage and played material at one point, but the loopage is minimal (hence my not hawking the damn thing here). i think it covers a lot of what nels does. if you're into nels' twin bro alex, you get a lot of him on the disc. i think that it's satisfying in any event ;-) (it's gotten some nice reviews so far.) Are you selling autographed copies to your comrades on LD? ** selling sure. autographed? flattered. thanks for asking . . . stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14D19.BC8309B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: a modest proposal

Steuart,

    Do you have any sound snippetts = web enabled? 

** i don't have any personally. and i'm not sure the = label web site has any - - the pieces are all very long (14 to 22 = minutes). you can try:

http://www.cryptogramophone.com/album.asp?id=3D109=


Would this CD satisify  those of us who nearly = worship Nels Cline?

** dunno. he's on one piece - - the last on the = record (17 minutes or so). (each piece is a concerto for a primary = soloist with improvising backing band, soloists are tom varner, mark = dresser, vinny golia and mssr cline.) if you're into clinedom, i think = he plays his ass off on his piece (and is, therefore, worshipful); for = ot, it has a really sick bit of synchronicty between loopage and played = material at one point, but the loopage is minimal (hence my not hawking = the damn thing here). i think it covers a lot of what nels does. if = you're into nels' twin bro alex, you get a lot of him on the disc. =

i think that it's satisfying in any event = ;-)  

(it's gotten some nice reviews so far.)



Are you selling autographed copies to your comrades = on LD?

** selling sure. autographed? flattered. thanks for = asking . . .

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C14D19.BC8309B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 19:30:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29507; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 19:24:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 19:24:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <08DE4FA6-B8EC-11D5-AB1B-000393152862@opendoor.com> References: <08DE4FA6-B8EC-11D5-AB1B-000393152862@opendoor.com> Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 19:23:55 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Anyone have experience with the TASCAM USB-428? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:19 AM -0700 10/4/01, kevin cooney wrote: >We have been using the Tascam 428 with a Macintonsh first generation >Imac for about six months now. [sliders etc] This has 2 separate MIDI I/O ports too... very attractive >If you can spend more, look closely at the units in the $700 range, >especially those employing firewire. In theory firewire devices >should have less latency and more bandwidth, but also realize that >there are other issues with power supplies, circuitry design, input, >etc. that ultimately affect the usability and "sound" of a >input/converter device. Just curious -- anyone know any Firewire audio device that also does MIDI? It'd be awfully handy for me. But I can't seem to find one... /t .................extreme NY calendar. .........a new fortune every minute. ...................Many, many photos. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 21:19:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01105; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 21:04:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 21:04:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BBD06DF.563D0C72@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 18:03:28 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anyone have experience with the TASCAM USB-428? References: <08DE4FA6-B8EC-11D5-AB1B-000393152862@opendoor.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, I've seen Video to firewire, but no audio... I wonder why? Frankly, I think the USB thing should be left to things like MIDI and Trackballs, not audio or data transfer. Too slow. Firewire's the way. Mark Tom Ritchford wrote: > At 10:19 AM -0700 10/4/01, kevin cooney wrote: > >We have been using the Tascam 428 with a Macintonsh first generation > >Imac for about six months now. [sliders etc] > > This has 2 separate MIDI I/O ports too... very attractive > > >If you can spend more, look closely at the units in the $700 range, > >especially those employing firewire. In theory firewire devices > >should have less latency and more bandwidth, but also realize that > >there are other issues with power supplies, circuitry design, input, > >etc. that ultimately affect the usability and "sound" of a > >input/converter device. > > Just curious -- anyone know any Firewire audio device that also does MIDI? > > It'd be awfully handy for me. But I can't seem to find one... > > /t > > .................extreme NY calendar. > .........a new fortune every minute. > ...................Many, many photos. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 21:28:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02003; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 21:26:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 21:26:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3BBD06DF.563D0C72@zerocrossing.net> References: <08DE4FA6-B8EC-11D5-AB1B-000393152862@opendoor.com> <3BBD06DF.563D0C72@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 21:25:47 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Anyone have experience with the TASCAM USB-428? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Yeah, I've seen Video to firewire, but no audio... I wonder why? Frankly, I >think the USB thing should be left to things like MIDI and Trackballs, not >audio or data transfer. Too slow. Firewire's the way. there are firewire audio units! like the Motu 828 (8 channels of audio IO with lightpipe and AES/EBU) but none with MIDI. which is a shame. because I just need a LITTLE MIDI and audio... /t .................extreme NY calendar. .........a new fortune every minute. ...................Many, many photos. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 5 02:24:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA12134; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 02:14:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 02:14:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Repeater sound clip Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 08:13:14 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Från: Per Boysen [mailto:boye@chello.se] > Right after that you can also hear how Repeater does not go back to the > original pitch as it should when getting cntrl 14 value 64. I was mistaken here. CC 14 value 75 is the zero position, not 64. Thanks to Barry for correcting my mistake. I felt I had to post here so noone would take it as a Repeater bug - as I did initially. The thing is it says "64" in the midi spec table that comes boundled with the manual. Regards Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 5 02:56:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA13246; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 02:47:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 02:47:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Peace Love Productions" To: Subject: RE: Repeater sound clip Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 01:50:39 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c14d7a$cf8c6cc0$4b6afc9e@peacelove> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id CAA13196 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alright, enough about the Repeater! JK :) -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:boye@chello.se] Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 11:13 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: SV: Repeater sound clip > Från: Per Boysen [mailto:boye@chello.se] > Right after that you can also hear how Repeater does not go back to > the original pitch as it should when getting cntrl 14 value 64. I was mistaken here. CC 14 value 75 is the zero position, not 64. Thanks to Barry for correcting my mistake. I felt I had to post here so noone would take it as a Repeater bug - as I did initially. The thing is it says "64" in the midi spec table that comes boundled with the manual. Regards Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 5 04:34:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA21362; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 04:21:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 04:21:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.115.246] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater sound clip Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 03:20:11 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2001 08:20:12.0496 (UTC) FILETIME=[8DE1F500:01C14D76] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There is never enough. This forum is the exchange of ideas. Some topics get "touched" upon more, because the vast majority of the folks in this forum are users of a specific technology or discipline. Sometimes, it's frustrating to see 30 or 40 posts on the same subject, but that's 30 or 40 people exchanging ideas, and those ideas are benefiting someone. When we signed up for this forum, we knew that it would have different points, and views, so just grin and bear it. Who knows, you might get a Repeater someday, and all these technical issues that are being posted, might help you out... Lucien E. Darthard A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It. http://ldarthard.ohgo.com/ ----Original Message Follows---- Peace Love Productions wrote : Alright, enough about the Repeater! JK :) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 5 06:11:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA23688; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 05:59:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 05:59:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008701c14d84$e6acf140$0200a8c0@erdem> Reply-To: "erdem helvacioglu" From: "erdem helvacioglu" To: Subject: Live loop machines Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 13:02:47 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0084_01C14D9E.07DA40C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0084_01C14D9E.07DA40C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I play in an electronic rock-pop band. I want to lay loops and change = them at the moment when my drummer is playing. Should I buy a Korg = Electribe ER-1, EM-1 type of machines or should I try to use the laptop? = Which programs will be approprate for layering loops? (Fruity Loops, = Acid?) Thanks. Erdem Helvacioglu erdemhel@turk.net ------=_NextPart_000_0084_01C14D9E.07DA40C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I play in an electronic = rock-pop=20 band. I want to lay loops and change them at the moment when my drummer = is=20 playing. Should I buy a Korg Electribe ER-1, EM-1 type of machines or = should I=20 try to use the laptop? Which programs will be approprate for layering = loops?=20 (Fruity Loops, Acid?)
 
Thanks.
 
Erdem = Helvacioglu
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------=_NextPart_000_0084_01C14D9E.07DA40C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 5 08:52:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA29059; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 08:44:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 08:44:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Tape Echo Emulation Vst plug ! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.8 Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 08:47:27 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just found this and I thought of you all right off that bat- http://www.steinberg.net/infocenter/discoveries/freeplugins/index.phtml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 5 10:55:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02106; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 10:48:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 10:48:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c14dab$ec349560$7fa14ed8@gnv.bellsouth.net> From: "shreeswifty" To: References: Subject: Re: Tape Echo Emulation Vst plug ! Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 10:42:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Chris and thanks but you know Karlette is about three years old It does ROCK though.... very nice Pat Pagano, Director South East Just Intonation Society http://www.screwmusicforever.com/SHREESWIFT/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher White To: Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 8:47 AM Subject: Tape Echo Emulation Vst plug ! > I just found this and I thought of you all right off that > bat- > > > http://www.steinberg.net/infocenter/discoveries/freeplugins/index.phtml > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 5 11:21:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03724; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 11:20:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 11:20:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <748577E595F0994CA967D3F4AB262C3D1B2B74@aardy.aardnet.com> References: <748577E595F0994CA967D3F4AB262C3D1B2B74@aardy.aardnet.com> Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 11:19:18 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: RE: Anyone have experience with the TASCAM USB-428? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA03669 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [I redirected this back to the list... /t] "Tony Jessberger" writes: >I have been looking for a firewire i/o device for audio and midi for >the last year or so as well. Yamaha announced Mlan a bit back >http://www.ya >maha.com/proaudio/products/system_mlan.htm. I've been salivating about that but the spit has rather dried up in the very very very long wait since they announced it. They initially said that there were going to be mLan cards for their ProMix 01V mixer and that's one reason I got it (it's SUCH a good mixer though, what a bargain!) >I do not know of the availability of these products or pricing. They are vapourware. I do NOT understand these people, a one-cable audio/control system would be an INSTANT smash! >Crest Audio built a two rack space device with audio meters about a >half a year ago, but I have not heard about it since. They use to >have a picture and specs on the site >http://www.crestaudio.com, but it appears >as if it has been removed. Very promising. Not. >I currently use a layla 20 bit PCI card, but I can only use it on >one computer at a time and not a laptop without going through >expensive card add-ons, configuration woes, and bulky little boxes. I have the same trouble with my AudioMedia III card (I can't get it to work on this G4! I can get the test to make it generate sine waves but I can't get it to make sound in SoundManager even though I've installed their control panel -- where does one ask such questions, digidesign.com didn't have it?) That's why I just want a single box solution. And I want to get reasonable timing, not these ridiculous "up-to-30ms" delays that are bandied about. (I mean, 30ms, come on!) So USB is not the answer. >With a one rack space firewire device, I can hot swap between my >mac, pc, and a possible future laptop without it ever leaving my >portable rack kit. Yes! so, come on, Music Industry -- give it to us! MOTU, where are you? >One device for all my computers would be nice, but development is >still in its infancy. If anyone out there knows of any other leads, >then let me know. Sorry Anton .................extreme NY calendar. .........a new fortune every minute. ...................Many, many photos. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 5 12:10:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06024; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 12:08:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 12:08:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 09:09:18 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater sound clip Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000101c14d7a$cf8c6cc0$4b6afc9e@peacelove> Message-Id: <543DBF40-B9AB-11D5-96BD-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA05943 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't think we should stop talking about any looper (I delete a lot of threads that don't pertain to gear I use, or am thinking about using/getting), but since Electrix has been good enough to set up a user's forum on their site (http://www.electrixpro.com) we should probably keep bug related and "how do you..." questions to the forum. On the other hand, if you've mangled the Repeater to do something really cool, or it has caused you to change the way you loop in a global way, there is no better place, IMO, than Looper's Delight for that. Same holds true for any looper. If you're sick of the thread, filter it out. Mark Sottilaro On Friday, October 5, 2001, at 01:50 AM, Peace Love Productions wrote: > Alright, enough about the Repeater! JK :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:boye@chello.se] > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 11:13 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: SV: Repeater sound clip > > >> Från: Per Boysen [mailto:boye@chello.se] > >> Right after that you can also hear how Repeater does not go back to >> the original pitch as it should when getting cntrl 14 value 64. > > I was mistaken here. CC 14 value 75 is the zero position, not 64. Thanks > to Barry for correcting my mistake. I felt I had to post here so noone > would take it as a Repeater bug - as I did initially. The thing is it > says "64" in the midi spec table that comes boundled with the manual. > > Regards > > Per Boysen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 5 12:13:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06291; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 12:12:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 12:12:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 09:13:16 -0700 Subject: Re: Tape Echo Emulation Vst plug ! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: <5AF2TD.A.QhB.Ivdv7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, I didn't mention this, as it's free and on the Steinberg site, so how could you miss it? However, I love this little plugin and use it all the time. Quick, easy and does the job. Mark On Friday, October 5, 2001, at 05:47 AM, Christopher White wrote: > I just found this and I thought of you all right off that > bat- > > > http://www.steinberg.net/infocenter/discoveries/freeplugins/index.phtml > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 5 12:31:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07434; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 12:29:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 12:29:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <748577E595F0994CA967D3F4AB262C3D1B2B74@aardy.aardnet.com> Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 09:26:07 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: RE: Anyone have experience with the TASCAM USB-428? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>With a one rack space firewire device, I can hot swap between my >>mac, pc, and a possible future laptop without it ever leaving my >>portable rack kit. > >Yes! so, come on, Music Industry -- give it to us! > >MOTU, where are you? would not a two space rack work? one space for a Motu 808, and a second with a rackmount multi-midi port unit. audio on firewire and midi on usb. all of this exists right now, no? one of the problems that seems to be discussed quite a bit (from what i've seen...i'm a 828 user) is that the 828 steals quite a bit of firewire bandwidth and getting it to play nice with external firewire hard drives is a little tricky. rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 5 16:14:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17669; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 16:11:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 16:11:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 11:09:13 -0700 From: Doug Lawrence Subject: Line 6 Echo Pro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000901c14dc8$d7241a70$0482c83f@allindlaw> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00741D9@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It looks like the Line 6 Echo Pro is out ... has anybody tried it yet?? Other than the increased loop time and 99 program memories, is there a compelling reason to upgrade my DL-4?? It doesn't look like there are any additional delay models or features ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 5 16:18:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18056; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 16:17:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 16:17:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Oliver Messiaen Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 16:19:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone here ever read: Technique of My Musical Language I'm interested in learning more about Messiaen, but this book is pretty pricy. Worth it? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 5 16:27:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18534; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 16:26:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 16:26:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: 10 Favorite Improvisers Thread Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 16:28:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Living or dead in no particular order: 1. Late-period Coltrane (after Love Supreme, earlier is good too) 2. Joe Maneri 3. Matt Maneri 4. Robert Dick 5. Eric Dolphy 6. Ravi Shankar 7. Miya Masoaka 8. Shawn Lane 9. Stewart Dempster 10. John Zorn How about you? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 5 17:09:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20421; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 17:08:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 17:08:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Peace Love Productions" To: Subject: RE: 10 Favorite Improvisers Thread Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 16:11:57 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c14df3$221ca9a0$4e6afc9e@peacelove> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My top ten (the order can fluctuate depending on my mood) Red Norvo Paul Desmond Ravi Shankar Ed Gerhard Cannonball Adderly Raphe Malik Billy Taylor Keith Jarrett Lyle Mays Hawkwind -----Original Message----- From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com [mailto:CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com] Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:28 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: 10 Favorite Improvisers Thread Living or dead in no particular order: 1. Late-period Coltrane (after Love Supreme, earlier is good too) 2. Joe Maneri 3. Matt Maneri 4. Robert Dick 5. Eric Dolphy 6. Ravi Shankar 7. Miya Masoaka 8. Shawn Lane 9. Stewart Dempster 10. John Zorn How about you? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 5 17:16:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20798; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 17:14:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 17:14:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Peace Love Productions" To: Subject: RE: Oliver Messiaen Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 16:17:16 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c14df3$e081d000$4e6afc9e@peacelove> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No, $70-80 is quite a bit to spend on a book, I've heard that it explains his techniques best. Let me know If you find it for less $. jason -----Original Message----- From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com [mailto:CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com] Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:19 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Oliver Messiaen Anyone here ever read: Technique of My Musical Language I'm interested in learning more about Messiaen, but this book is pretty pricy. Worth it? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 5 17:20:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21248; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 17:19:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 17:19:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 14:19:04 -0800 Subject: Re: 10 Favorite Improvisers Thread From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000001c14df3$221ca9a0$4e6afc9e@peacelove> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 10/5/01 3:11 PM, Peace Love Productions at perpetrata@earthlink.net wrote: > My top ten (the order can fluctuate depending on my mood) > > Red Norvo > Paul Desmond > Ravi Shankar > Ed Gerhard > Cannonball Adderly > Raphe Malik > Billy Taylor > Keith Jarrett > Lyle Mays > Hawkwind > > -----Original Message----- > From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com [mailto:CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com] > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:28 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: 10 Favorite Improvisers Thread > > > > Living or dead in no particular order: > > 1. Late-period Coltrane (after Love Supreme, earlier is good too) 2. Joe > Maneri 3. Matt Maneri 4. Robert Dick 5. Eric Dolphy 6. Ravi Shankar 7. > Miya Masoaka 8. Shawn Lane > 9. Stewart Dempster > 10. John Zorn > > How about you? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 5 17:25:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21139; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 17:18:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 17:18:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <748577E595F0994CA967D3F4AB262C3D1B2B74@aardy.aardnet.com> Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 17:17:22 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: RE: Anyone have experience with the TASCAM USB-428? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >would not a two space rack work? one space for a Motu 808, and a >second with a rackmount multi-midi port unit. audio on firewire and >midi on usb. all of this exists right now, no? yes, but as I keep complaining, there are ridiculous reported latencies for USB MIDI, "up-to-30ms" I've heard and certainly enough that I wouldn't want to do it. >one of the problems that seems to be discussed quite a bit (from >what i've seen...i'm a 828 user) is that the 828 steals quite a bit >of firewire bandwidth and getting it to play nice with external >firewire hard drives is a little tricky. that I don't mind. I have a big internal drive for this sort of thing! when I do digital audio, I just wipe a partition and record onto it... /t .................extreme NY calendar. .........a new fortune every minute. ...................Many, many photos. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 5 17:51:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22889; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 17:49:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 17:49:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 16:49:00 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: 10 Favorite Improvisers Thread To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00a301c14de7$8b4a6fe0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: <0qlwXC.A.IlF.Vriv7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com miles davis john coltrane john medeski john mcglaughlin trey anistasio terry kath ravi shankar trilok gurtu earl harvin skerik it's hard to pick just ten! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 5 17:51:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22943; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 17:50:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 17:50:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00741EE@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Oliver Messiaen Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 17:48:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C14DE7.71516B70" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14DE7.71516B70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" why not get a score and analyze it? that'll be pricey too, but you also see the orchestration and be able to pinpoint specific sections that interest you and see what's going on in them. stig -----Original Message----- From: Peace Love Productions [mailto:perpetrata@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 4:17 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Oliver Messiaen No, $70-80 is quite a bit to spend on a book, I've heard that it explains his techniques best. Let me know If you find it for less $. jason -----Original Message----- From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com [mailto:CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com] Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:19 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Oliver Messiaen Anyone here ever read: Technique of My Musical Language I'm interested in learning more about Messiaen, but this book is pretty pricy. Worth it? ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14DE7.71516B70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Oliver Messiaen

why not get a score and analyze it? that'll be pricey = too, but you also see the orchestration and be able to pinpoint = specific sections that interest you and see what's going on in them. =

stig

-----Original Message-----
From: Peace Love Productions [mailto:perpetrata@earthlink.net= ]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 4:17 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Oliver Messiaen


No, $70-80 is quite a bit to spend on a book, I've = heard that it
explains his techniques best. Let me know If you = find it for less $.

jason

-----Original Message-----
From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com [mailto:CarlJacobson@cakewalk.c= om]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:19 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: OT: Oliver Messiaen



Anyone here ever read: Technique of My Musical = Language

I'm interested in learning more about Messiaen, but = this book is pretty
pricy. Worth it?

------_=_NextPart_001_01C14DE7.71516B70-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 5 18:31:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24636; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 18:29:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 18:29:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011005182446.007ec780@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 18:24:46 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Jami Sieber In-Reply-To: <000c01c14dab$ec349560$7fa14ed8@gnv.bellsouth.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <77BSy.A.mAG.8Qjv7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To whomever it was who recommended looping cellist Jami Sieber last week: thanks! I'd never heard of her; after her name and a description of her style came up on the list, I checked out some sound samples on Amazon, and then found a used copy of 'Lush Mechanique' on eBay for a very reasonable price. It arrived today and I'm listening to it right now; it's great! I like the blurb in the insert 'Even when you don't think it's a cello, it probably is.' -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 5 18:34:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24907; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 18:33:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 18:33:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BBE368C.46DF@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 15:39:08 -0700 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 10 Favorite Improvisers Thread References: <00a301c14de7$8b4a6fe0$080210ac@jpalmer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Miles Davis Pundit Pran Nath Nusrat Fakir Ali Khan Scott La Faro Warren Haynes Terje Rypdal Phil Lesh Tony Williams Trilok Gurtu Jaco Pastorious From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 5 18:46:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25500; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 18:44:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 18:44:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c14df0$24455d60$f7934e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: 10 Favorite Improvisers Thread Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 18:50:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In alphabetical but no other particular order; they are (or were) all great masters of musical traditions with a strong focus on modal improvisation: Turgun Alimatov (dotar, tanbur and sato, Uzbekistan) Hossein Alizadeh (tar and sehtar, Iran) Munir Bachir (oud, Iraq) Nikhil Banerjee (sitar, India) Zia Mohiuddin Dagar (rudra vina, India) Kazem Davoudian (santoor, Iran) Ali Akbar Khan (sarod, India) Ram Narayan (sarangi, India) Arif Sag (baglama, Turkey) Necdet Yasar (tanbur, Turkey) As Jim said, it's hard to pick just ten. Heck, it would be hard to narrow it down to fifty! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 5 19:11:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26607; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 19:10:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 19:10:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: partagas.dragonet.es: 193-153-189-233.uc.nombres.ttd.es [193.153.189.233] didn't use HELO protocol Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20011006012008.00a39a70@mail.dragonet.es> X-Sender: d3055@mail.dragonet.es X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 01:20:08 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Raul Bonell Subject: FS or Trade: Roland GP-100 / ALESIS 3630 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id TAA26550 Resent-Message-ID: <2N3w9D.A.IfG.H3jv7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi i have these rack units that i practically don't use it and i'd like to sell them or trade for a drum machine or other gear (pod, ... ) i'll consider all offers. prices are aproximatelly the half of what they cost me: GP-100 ......................... 475 EUROS 3630 ............................. 100 EUROS thanx, raül El Cau De La Figa Reial http://www.dragonet.es/users/d3055/rb From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 5 19:27:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26977; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 19:15:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 19:15:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011005191009.007edb90@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 19:10:09 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: 10 Favorite Improvisers Thread In-Reply-To: <000e01c14df0$24455d60$f7934e0c@u73x0> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <8MQxN.A.kkG.f7jv7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Choice of the moment, no particular order: <60's Miles Davis> (Howdy BobDog!) * * * *before anyone thinks I'm being conceited for including myself on the list, I have to point out that the three entries with asterisks are just as often on my list of LEAST favorite improvisers, but have been included for being adventurous with occasional moments of clarity. I know as soon as I hit 'Send' I'm going to think of several more... -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 5 19:28:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27544; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 19:27:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 19:27:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: 10 Favorite Improvisers Thread Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 16:32:40 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No particular order: Jaco Airto Zakir Trilok Parker Coltrane McLaughlin Corea Monk Miles -- Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 5 20:01:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29082; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 19:59:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 19:59:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d301c14df9$be6d15a0$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: 10 Favorite Improvisers Thread Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 00:59:15 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <4bxmf.A.QGH.Zlkv7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Usually I'd go visually though my CD collection and spout a goodly list. My CD collection's in Pasadena, in storage. So, like another on this list, I like . Corea USED to be good at improvisation, the last time I saw him was over 15 years ago, and I kept hearing repeats of riffs from the Return to Forever days. I understand he does more shilling for $cientology than he does actual playing nowadays, anyway - but wasn't this "repeating riff" bit part of a previous thread? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 5 20:02:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28927; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 19:55:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 19:55:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c14df9$1b5909a0$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: Subject: Re: 10 Favorite Improvisers Thread Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 16:54:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <7D8UL.A.XDH.Ehkv7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ravi Shankar Zakir Hussein Scott Henderson Wayne Shorter Nels Cline Niladri Khumar Bill Evans John McLaughlin Trilok Gurtu Jimi Hendrix PS- A list of 10 is absurd. :) Cliff www.omstudios.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 5 20:41:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31007; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 20:40:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 20:40:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004801c14e8e$4d80e520$02000003@mpx.com.au> From: "cameron street" To: References: <00a301c14de7$8b4a6fe0$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: 10 Favorite Improvisers Thread Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 10:42:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David Jones Doug Wimbish Vinx Terry Bozzio Hendrix Jaco Eddie Van Halen Tommy Emmanuel Brett Whitley [painter] Miles From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 5 23:24:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA09646; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 23:22:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 23:22:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BBE7B09.2F6E@Hevanet.Com.> Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 20:31:21 -0700 From: DaViD AuKeR X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater sound clip References: <200110060001.UAA29241@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Sottilaro said: > I don't think we should stop talking about any looper (I delete a lot of > threads that don't pertain to gear I use, or am thinking about > using/getting), but since Electrix has been good enough to set up a > user's forum on their site (http://www.electrixpro.com) we should > probably keep bug related and "how do you..." questions to the forum. Mark, thanks for the forum info! I read a few things there, but it's a Really Slow-Loader for my modem...I don't have the time to really cruise it. I hope Repeater stuff keeps coming to Loopers-Delight! Keep talking about all loopers! ...I've had good response from info@electrixpro.com ||: David :|| From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 5 23:42:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11252; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 23:41:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 23:41:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: giuseppe_poteet@worldnet.att.net User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 20:34:26 -0700 Subject: Re: 10 Favorite Improvisers Thread To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004801c14e8e$4d80e520$02000003@mpx.com.au> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com tennish Art Ensemble of Chicago AMM Dr. Eugene Chadbourne From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 6 01:26:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16740; Sat, 6 Oct 2001 01:21:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 01:21:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BBE904B.E263CDAE@fuse.net> Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 01:02:03 -0400 From: Mike Georgin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Improvisation stuff Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------29A575797A0FC16846F39935" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------29A575797A0FC16846F39935 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What with all of this talk of improvisation, it got me thinking of one of my favorite books on the subject. A must read for anyone interested in the art form. It's called Improvisation, its Nature and Practice in Music by Derek Bailey De Capo Press --Mike Georgin --------------29A575797A0FC16846F39935 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What with all of this talk of improvisation, it got me thinking of one of my favorite books on the subject. A must read for anyone interested in the art form. It's called Improvisation, its Nature and Practice in Music by Derek Bailey
De Capo Press
--Mike Georgin --------------29A575797A0FC16846F39935-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 6 02:59:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA19581; Sat, 6 Oct 2001 02:57:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 02:57:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000301c14e33$c21f14c0$794728d5@a123456789> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: Subject: Re: Audio Mulch for Live Performance Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 09:13:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've used it live MANY times. No problems at all. If you,ve written a patch it will no more overload at the gig than at home and with a gigahertz mahine you can certainly use LOTS of plugins - I can't see a problem. I hear ASIO drivers are in the pipeline! Gareth > Has anyone used Audio Mulch live? I am planning to here > fairly soon-running it on a 1ghz laptop--any issues one > might need to look out for? I have noticed that it is fairly > easy to overload it and get some nast digital sounds-any > suggestions on how this can be avoided? > thanks so much > c.white > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 6 03:11:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA19987; Sat, 6 Oct 2001 03:10:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 03:10:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: 10 Favorite Improvisers Thread Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 00:15:40 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <2To18C.A.93E.i4qv7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sadly, I had to re-read my list to realize how cliché it is. Oh well. Those are some of the big names that inspired me. But there are countless friends, teachers and nameless folk who have inspired me much more on a personal level. -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: Tim Goodwin [mailto:deepbass6@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 4:33 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: 10 Favorite Improvisers Thread No particular order: Jaco Airto Zakir Trilok Parker Coltrane McLaughlin Corea Monk Miles -- Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 6 03:53:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA21468; Sat, 6 Oct 2001 03:51:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 03:51:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <25.1c4972a5.28f011f9@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 03:51:21 EDT Subject: EDP feedback fantasies To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > hm, while it does not seem true that "feedback changes at the loop > end" (did we understand you, Andy?) its not exactly true that feeback > is the same in Loop and Delay mode either: Sadly yes, Kim correctly identified the fact that I was talking complete nonsense. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 6 03:53:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA21466; Sat, 6 Oct 2001 03:51:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 03:51:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <11f.543c2a7.28f011fa@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 03:51:22 EDT Subject: Cool Edit Pro Scratching To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight-d@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi Lucien (scratching CEP) the Pitch Bender should be able to do this. create a setting where pitch starts at bottom, rises, to normal, and then sinks back again may take a bit of trial and error then tidy it up with the Envelope function maybe enjoy and no mention of the secret identity From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 6 03:57:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA21725; Sat, 6 Oct 2001 03:55:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 03:55:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Apparently-From: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 02:50:51 -0500 Subject: OS 10.1 From: Mike Feeney To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A friend of mine forwarded this article to me about the new Mac OS 10.1 and audio apps ... http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0110/05.audio.php Thought some here would be interested! Mike _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 6 08:25:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA29984; Sat, 6 Oct 2001 08:23:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 08:23:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003601c14e61$9bea43a0$49b01597@z3v3u4> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: Subject: R: 10 Favorite Improvisers Thread Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 14:22:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In no particular order: Jimi Hendrix Frank Zappa Jimmy Page Michael Brook David Torn Eivind Aarset/Nils Petter Moalver Steve Vai/Joe Satriani Ravi Shankar Shankar John Zorn Just to name a few... Peace Luigi From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 6 09:38:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA31877; Sat, 6 Oct 2001 09:36:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 09:36:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 09:36:09 -0400 Subject: Re: OS 10.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Doug Miller To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <19F3E20C-BA5F-11D5-8CE7-00306587FF4E@columbus.rr.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I got OS 10.1 on day one, now I just need some apps to make this baby sing, literally! I hope the developers are listening! > A friend of mine forwarded this article to me about the new Mac OS > 10.1 > and audio apps ... > > http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0110/05.audio.php > > __________________________ Doug Miller Graphic Designer http://www.dispatch.com http://www.cccn.org http://home.columbus.rr.com/~dmiller From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 6 11:16:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02453; Sat, 6 Oct 2001 11:14:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 11:14:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Apparently-From: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 10:09:07 -0500 Subject: Re: OS 10.1 From: Mike Feeney To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <19F3E20C-BA5F-11D5-8CE7-00306587FF4E@columbus.rr.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I got a copy of it on day 2 ... Too bad I cqn't use it for anything yet!!! ;) Mike On 10/6/01 8:36 AM, "Doug Miller" said somethin' like: > I got OS 10.1 on day one, now I just need some apps to make this baby > sing, literally! I hope the developers are listening! > >> A friend of mine forwarded this article to me about the new Mac OS >> 10.1 >> and audio apps ... >> >> http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0110/05.audio.php >> >> > __________________________ > Doug Miller > Graphic Designer > > http://www.dispatch.com > http://www.cccn.org > http://home.columbus.rr.com/~dmiller _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 6 12:24:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04714; Sat, 6 Oct 2001 12:21:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 12:21:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: OT? Derek Bailey and Improvisation Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 09:21:16 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3BBE904B.E263CDAE@fuse.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is an interesting coincidence. I am returning to San Diego and I see that Derek Bailey is performing there at the Spruce Street Forum in October (and Terry Riley! the night before?) http://www.sprucestreetforum.com/index.zhtml?action=music So am I to understand that he is a consummate improviser and well worth going out of your way to experience? Reckon he must be playing elsewhere as well? (Tour sort of thing?) Sounds like he is a "free" player (costs $20 tho)-- Wonder if he'll be selling and signing copies of his book 8^} Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 6 13:12:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06537; Sat, 6 Oct 2001 13:10:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 13:10:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 10:09:38 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: OT? Derek Bailey and Improvisation In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:21 AM -0700 10/6/01, Gary Lehmann wrote: >This is an interesting coincidence. I am returning to San Diego and I see >that Derek Bailey is performing there at the Spruce Street Forum in October I see that he's playing with George Lewis. One of the most interesting performances I ever mixed sound for was for George Lewis at the Claxon Sound Festival in Utrecht in 1983. This was one of George's interactive computer improvisation pieces, in which his computer software "listened" to improvising performers and responded in a variety of ways. The soloists in this case were George Lewis (trombone), Joelle Leandre (double bass), and Derek Bailey (guitar). The computer system could listen to only one performer at a time, so it was constantly switching between them. The MIDI output controlled three Yamaha DX7 synthesizers. I've heard several performances of George's interactive music, and this was certainly the best. It was particularly fun for me to mix because it was so dense and active, with musical "gems" coming in rapid succession from each of the soloists. Because the three instruments were so timbrally distinct from each other it was relatively easy to identify each player quickly and to bring them up and down in the mix quickly. I recommend you go to the Spruce Street gig. I'm rather torn. I'll be in Orange County that afternoon, attending a panel discussion (in which George Lewis is participating), then there's a Tan Dun concert that night. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 6 13:30:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07382; Sat, 6 Oct 2001 13:29:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 13:29:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 10:21:30 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: GIG SPAM - "You Are Hear" in Newport Beach In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1209733184==_ma============" References: <200110010028.UAA32084@hemlock.violacea.com> <3.0.6.32.20011001142720.00a25b10@mail.dragonet.es> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1209733184==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" "You Are Hear: Music Machines at the Museum" Orange County Museum of Art, Newport Beach October 6-28 http://www.eclecticorange.org/you_are_hear.htm Part of the Eclectic Orange Festival, this museum exhibition features three installations by the sound artist Trimpin. "Conloninpurple" is dedicated to the work of composer Conlon Nancarrow, noted for his compositions for specialized player pianos. The installation consists of several hanging columns of specifically tuned wooden and metal bars. Each column has six alternating tone ranges, divided into octave groups, and an electromagnetic mallet system that initiates sound. When completely assembled, the instrument is capable of playing any musical composition when translated from a score into MIDI format. Viewers may "play" with the instrument through manipulation of a two-wheel electronic console, or trigger it to play pre-composed musical sequences stored on disk. "Krautkontrol" is made from 12 electric guitars of different colors, shapes and sizes arranged into four groups. Each group of guitars shares a unique tuning, which can be controlled remotely. "Klavier Nonette" uses nine MIDI-controlled toy pianos, arranged around the perimeter of the gallery. The computer control system is configured as a juke box with a selection of short pieces by 16 different composers. Listeners drop a quarter the slot and select the piece to be played. Among the composers featured are John Cage, Conlon Nancarrow, James Tenney, George Lewis, and myself. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz --============_-1209733184==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" GIG SPAM - "You Are Hear" in Newport Beach
"You Are Hear: Music Machines at the Museum"
Orange County Museum of Art, Newport Beach
October 6-28

http://www.eclecticorange.org/you_are_hear.htm

Part of the Eclectic Orange Festival, this museum exhibition features three installations by the sound artist Trimpin.

"Conloninpurple" is dedicated to the work of composer Conlon Nancarrow, noted for his compositions for specialized player pianos. The installation consists of several hanging columns of specifically tuned wooden and metal bars. Each column has six alternating tone ranges, divided into octave groups, and an electromagnetic mallet system that initiates sound. When completely assembled, the instrument is capable of playing any musical composition when translated from a score into MIDI format. Viewers may "play" with the instrument through manipulation of a two-wheel electronic console, or trigger it to play pre-composed musical sequences stored on disk.

"Krautkontrol" is made from 12 electric guitars of different colors, shapes and sizes arranged into four groups. Each group of guitars shares a unique tuning, which can be controlled remotely.

"Klavier Nonette" uses nine MIDI-controlled toy pianos, arranged around the perimeter of the gallery. The computer control system is configured as a juke box with a selection of short pieces by 16 different composers. Listeners drop a quarter the slot and select the piece to be played. Among the composers featured are John Cage, Conlon Nancarrow, James Tenney, George Lewis, and myself.


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--============_-1209733184==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 6 15:11:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10870; Sat, 6 Oct 2001 15:08:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 15:08:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ab01c14e9a$115381a0$7c1d87d9@oemcomputer> From: "Lee Fletcher" To: Subject: OT: Gibson Echoplex (+ Pedal) For Sale Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 20:06:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Disposition-Notification-To: "Lee Fletcher" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, I'll be brief. Circumstances force me to sell my EDP (with full memory) + Pedal: For details please go to: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1472153897 I live in the UK, but will ship Internationally. Cheers! Lee. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 6 21:39:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24252; Sat, 6 Oct 2001 21:35:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 21:35:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4036A094D96A9549A6D6CCD979F1F363D33663@engin-mail2> From: Darcy Clark To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: repeater and footswitches Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 21:34:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just ordered a Repeater and was curious whether I could use some Roland FS-5U footswitches I have lying around to control (i.e. start/stop) loop recording for hands-free operations. Reading the manual I read the following : "Any TRS style 3-button foot controller (like a Digitech FS-300) gives foot control over play/stop, record and tap tempo" Obviously the FS-5Us are single-button momentary footswitches, but I could theoretically plug 2 into the Repeater via a Y-cable to hopefully get access to some subset of the "play/stop, record and tap tempo" functionality that the FS-300 achieves. Has anyone tried this ? (Luckily the FS-300 isn't too expensive, so I'll probably spring for it if I can't make use of my FS-5U units) thanks for any info., Darcy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 6 21:53:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24892; Sat, 6 Oct 2001 21:50:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 21:50:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: don.goodeve@home.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 18:48:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Repeater Overdub Problem Reply-to: don.goodeve@home.com Message-ID: <3BBF5202.8696.7086FB0@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <0E3104CC-B81A-11D5-A6DB-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Resent-Message-ID: <1dbNhB.A.vDG.rS7v7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Folks Following this thread - it does sound like the sleep/re-awaken problem is what you are experiencing. It is to do with some deep- down mechanism in the control logic that this wierd behaviour arises.The box is confused and behaves in a similar way to its modus operandi during resample. Stangely - this is kind of how I behave first thing in the morning. Yes - this is fixed in the forthcoming release (the control logic effectively gets a dose of *jolt* before asking it to do anything too strenuous...) Cheers Don Electrix >yeah, the sleep problem is a known bug, but I don't think that's > totally the issue. Still no word about it from Electrix. > >Mark --- On Wednesday, October 3, 2001, at 08:33 AM, DaViD AuKeR wrote: > (I'm on Digest, so haven't yet seen any responses to my question) > > I think I have figured out how to get Overdub (where I'm "dueting with > my echo"). After the Sleep Mode, overdubbing w/layers just doesn't work > on any loop, but when I Record and Resample, it subsequently works > fine! > > Why would Resample get Overdub up and running? Anyone else have to do > this? > > Aside from what seems an unusual avenue of wake-up, I'm having some > great fascination w/this unit! > > David > Portland, OR > ---------------------------------------------------- |Don Goodeve | |Brentwood Bay, BC, Canada | | don.goodeve@home.com | ---------------------------------------------------- 'As if you could kill time without injuring eternity' (still my favourite H.D.Thoreau quote - after all these years...) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 6 23:27:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27640; Sat, 6 Oct 2001 23:24:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 20:20:47 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 20:23:23 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-Id: <4D0390E8-BAD2-11D5-829E-00039301A6E6@apple.com> Resent-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) Subject: Re: OS 10.1 From: Doug Wyatt Message-Id: Resent-From: Doug Wyatt X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com They are ..... :-) Doug On Saturday, October 6, 2001, at 06:36 , Doug Miller wrote: > I got OS 10.1 on day one, now I just need some apps to make this baby > sing, literally! I hope the developers are listening! > >> A friend of mine forwarded this article to me about the new Mac OS >> 10.1 >> and audio apps ... >> >> http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0110/05.audio.php >> -- Doug Wyatt work: dwyatt@apple.com (CoreAudio) personal: doug@sonosphere.com http://www.sonosphere.com "There is no way to peace. Peace is the way." -- A.J. Muste From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 7 00:40:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA03384; Sun, 7 Oct 2001 00:38:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 00:38:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011006213114.0478e898@annihilist.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 21:34:21 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Looper's Delight t-shirt page Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi- I put the page for the Looper's Delight T-Shirt project up on the Looper's Delight site, so Jason doesn't have to host it for us anymore. http://www.loopers-delight.com/shirts/shirt-0ct2001.html Don't forget to put your order in! 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At the next loop festival we want to see everybody properly dressed. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 7 09:06:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA30127; Sun, 7 Oct 2001 08:59:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 08:59:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: grrrlady402@aol.com Message-ID: <99.1bc36997.28f1ab6f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 08:58:23 EDT Subject: Re: UNSUBSCRIBE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_99.1bc36997.28f1ab6f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_99.1bc36997.28f1ab6f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit UNSUBSCRIBE ME PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --part1_99.1bc36997.28f1ab6f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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UNSUBSCRIBE ME PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C14F22.892B1930-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 7 15:18:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10012; Sun, 7 Oct 2001 15:16:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 15:16:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BC0B759.C87EE4E6@cabq.gov> Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 13:13:13 -0700 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: LD t-shirt: Status Report References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011006213114.0478e898@annihilist.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So far, we have had 18 loopers buy shirts... a few have bought more than one. This means that we have just squeaked over the minimum number of shirts required for a run. This is good news. Not sure how many folks we have subscribed to the LD (I am pretty sure there are more that 18). If this is gonna be a TRULY successful fund raising project, I hope more folk get onboard. My wife tells me not to worry, its just all the Type "A" personalities who get their order in at the beginning (you know who you are!). The rest of ya are gonna push the deadline, ordering at the very last second. Dont wait to long! Later, -jas Albuquerque http://www.loopers-delight.com/shirts/shirt-0ct2001.html Kim Flint wrote: > Hi- > > I put the page for the Looper's Delight T-Shirt project up on the Looper's > Delight site, so Jason doesn't have to host it for us anymore. > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/shirts/shirt-0ct2001.html > > Don't forget to put your order in! The deadline for orders is Oct 14! > > At the next loop festival we want to see everybody properly dressed. :-) > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 7 15:26:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10331; Sun, 7 Oct 2001 15:25:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 15:25:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3BC0B759.C87EE4E6@cabq.gov> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011006213114.0478e898@annihilist.com> <3BC0B759.C87EE4E6@cabq.gov> Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 15:23:53 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: LD t-shirt: Status Report Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >My wife tells me not to worry, its just all the Type "A" personalities >who get their order in at the beginning (you know who you are!). >The rest of ya are gonna push the deadline, ordering at the very >last second. Dont wait too long! the design came out very well -- I was dreading looking at it :-D fearing it would be geeky but it's very simple and clean. /t .................extreme NY calendar. .........a new fortune every minute. ...................Many, many photos. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 7 15:36:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10675; Sun, 7 Oct 2001 15:33:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 15:33:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 14:32:56 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: LD t-shirt: Status Report To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <009101c14f66$dd711a00$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011006213114.0478e898@annihilist.com> <3BC0B759.C87EE4E6@cabq.gov> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com can you run some with just the front design? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 2:23 PM Subject: Re: LD t-shirt: Status Report > >My wife tells me not to worry, its just all the Type "A" personalities > >who get their order in at the beginning (you know who you are!). > >The rest of ya are gonna push the deadline, ordering at the very > >last second. Dont wait too long! > > the design came out very well -- I was dreading looking at it :-D > fearing it would be geeky but it's very simple and clean. > > /t > > > .................extreme NY calendar. > .........a new fortune every minute. > ...................Many, many photos. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 7 17:23:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15456; Sun, 7 Oct 2001 17:20:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 17:20:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: LD t-shirt: Status Report Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 14:25:24 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <009101c14f66$dd711a00$080210ac@jpalmer> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would be interested in this as well... -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: jim palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 12:33 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LD t-shirt: Status Report can you run some with just the front design? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 7 20:01:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20809; Sun, 7 Oct 2001 19:59:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 19:59:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.75.136.87] From: "Roger Morrison" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OS 10.1 Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 16:57:37 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Oct 2001 23:57:37.0930 (UTC) FILETIME=[D79996A0:01C14F8B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Doug, I was wondering whether you were still subscribed to this list. Can you tell us any more about what's to come? Roger Morrison >From: Doug Wyatt >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: OS 10.1 >Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 20:20:47 -0700 > >They are ..... :-) > >Doug > >On Saturday, October 6, 2001, at 06:36 , Doug Miller wrote: >>I got OS 10.1 on day one, now I just need some apps to make this baby >>sing, literally! I hope the developers are listening! >> >>> A friend of mine forwarded this article to me about the new Mac OS >>>10.1 >>>and audio apps ... >>> >>> http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0110/05.audio.php >>> > >-- >Doug Wyatt >work: dwyatt@apple.com (CoreAudio) >personal: doug@sonosphere.com http://www.sonosphere.com > >"There is no way to peace. Peace is the way." > -- A.J. Muste > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 7 21:14:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23457; Sun, 7 Oct 2001 21:12:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 21:12:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011007180436.0480e118@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 18:08:38 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: LD t-shirt: Status Report In-Reply-To: <009101c14f66$dd711a00$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011006213114.0478e898@annihilist.com> <3BC0B759.C87EE4E6@cabq.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <_FhtjB.A.HuF.n0Pw7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you guys are too much. people are donating their time and energy to try to make this come together on a shoestring and you ask for special requests? kim At 12:32 PM 10/7/2001, you wrote: >can you run some with just the front design? > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tom Ritchford" >To: >Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 2:23 PM >Subject: Re: LD t-shirt: Status Report > > > > >My wife tells me not to worry, its just all the Type "A" personalities > > >who get their order in at the beginning (you know who you are!). > > >The rest of ya are gonna push the deadline, ordering at the very > > >last second. Dont wait too long! > > > > the design came out very well -- I was dreading looking at it :-D > > fearing it would be geeky but it's very simple and clean. > > > > /t > > > > > > .................extreme NY calendar. > > .........a new fortune every minute. > > ...................Many, many photos. > > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 7 21:42:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24314; Sun, 7 Oct 2001 21:34:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 21:34:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c14f98$e115a540$d90f5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #237 Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 21:28:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed with a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #237 October 4, 2001. RECAP: On this show, I began a month-long focus on Two Dutch Bands in America, Free System Projekt and Wave World. The feature CD at midnight was "Pointless Reminder" by Free System Projekt and released on the Quantum label. The vinyl show starter, a new feature of the show leftover from WDIY's Salute to Records, was by Tomita. This month's Special Focus on Free System Projekt and Wave World is in support of their upcoming concert at the Gathering and radio concerts on EMUSIC on the 11th and on Star's End on the 14th. Two Dutch Bands in America http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2001/focus01.html#oct Gathering http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/events.html Star's End http://www.starsend.org PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Tomita Painted Desert Grand Canyon (RCA Read Seal) VA [Adham Shaik] Pronoia Sunset Magnetic North (Waveform) VA [Jeff Pearce] An Isle Tracks Across the Universe Volume 1 [Jim Brenholts] VA [Dino Pacifici] Currents of Space Tracks Across the Universe Volume 2 [Jim Brenholts] VA [Ian Boddy] Gamma Omicron Tracks Across the Universe Volume 3 [Jim Brenholts] Orbital Decay Y2K Eve Re-Entry (none) Wave World The Chain Species (Quantum) 12:00 am Free System Projekt Substance Pointless Reminder (Quantum) Free System Projekt Amalthea Pointless Reminder (Quantum) Free System Projekt Coal Sack Pointless Reminder (Quantum) Free System Projekt Faraday Pointless Reminder (Quantum) Free System Projekt Distance Pointless Reminder (Quantum) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: ======================= ======================== ============================== On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Two Dutch Bands in America, Wave World and Free System Projekt. The feature CD at midnight will be preempted by a live, in-studio, on-air Concert by both bands! These two bands from the Netherlands will also perform live on the 13th at the next Gathering in Philadelphia and again on Star's End later that same evening. Check the Events Page for details. Next week's vinyl show starter will be by Michael Hoenig. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 7 22:04:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25515; Sun, 7 Oct 2001 22:02:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 22:02:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 19:01:08 -0800 Subject: Re: LD t-shirt: Status Report From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011007180436.0480e118@loopers-delight.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0o3Op.A.DOG.-jQw7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeah i need (1)tee each of:'beer-dye'*hemp-dye*wine-dye*kona coffee-dye*chocolate-dye*....thanx i know you can do it :-) stanner on 10/7/01 5:08 PM, Kim Flint at kflint@loopers-delight.com wrote: > you guys are too much. people are donating their time and energy to try to > make this come together on a shoestring and you ask for special requests? > > kim > > > At 12:32 PM 10/7/2001, you wrote: >> can you run some with just the front design? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tom Ritchford" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 2:23 PM >> Subject: Re: LD t-shirt: Status Report >> >> >>>> My wife tells me not to worry, its just all the Type "A" personalities >>>> who get their order in at the beginning (you know who you are!). >>>> The rest of ya are gonna push the deadline, ordering at the very >>>> last second. Dont wait too long! >>> >>> the design came out very well -- I was dreading looking at it :-D >>> fearing it would be geeky but it's very simple and clean. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 8 00:54:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA31076; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 00:51:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 00:51:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 23:50:48 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: LD t-shirt: Status Report To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001b01c14fb4$cc5d03c0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011006213114.0478e898@annihilist.com> <3BC0B759.C87EE4E6@cabq.gov> <5.1.0.14.2.20011007180436.0480e118@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ouch. > you guys are too much. people are donating their time and energy to try to > make this come together on a shoestring and you ask for special requests? > > kim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 8 03:30:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA02969; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 03:28:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 03:28:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: faisalmoro@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4036A094D96A9549A6D6CCD979F1F363D33663@engin-mail2> References: <4036A094D96A9549A6D6CCD979F1F363D33663@engin-mail2> Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 08:38:53 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: faisal moro Subject: Re: repeater and footswitches Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I guess you should conect 3 of that Roland pedals, placing a resistor beetween two of them to connect the 3rd. Any details from Electrix? Doei Faisal >I just ordered a Repeater and was curious whether I could use some Roland >FS-5U footswitches I have lying around to control (i.e. start/stop) loop >recording for hands-free operations. Reading the manual I read the following >: > >"Any TRS style 3-button foot controller (like a Digitech FS-300) gives foot >control over play/stop, record and tap tempo" > >Obviously the FS-5Us are single-button momentary footswitches, but I could >theoretically plug 2 into the Repeater via a Y-cable to hopefully get access >to some subset of the "play/stop, record and tap tempo" functionality that >the FS-300 achieves. Has anyone tried this ? > >(Luckily the FS-300 isn't too expensive, so I'll probably spring for it if I >can't make use of my FS-5U units) > >thanks for any info., > >Darcy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 8 09:27:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24920; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 09:25:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 09:25:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003401c14ffc$2f3463c0$29bbd6d1@brendan> From: "Brendan Flick" To: Subject: midi time code to clock convertor? Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 09:21:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0031_01C14FDA.A6A0B7A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C14FDA.A6A0B7A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all - long -long time no post- I use a jamman and want to use ACID = software as slave , in order to do this i have to get midi clock data = out, (which ACID doesn't do ) is it possible to convert midi time code = ( which acid DOES do ) into clock, so i can feed this to jamman? any other workarounds ? =20 -Thanks Brendan=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C14FDA.A6A0B7A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all - long -long time no post- = I use a=20 jamman and want to use ACID software as slave , in order  to do = this i have=20 to get midi clock data out, (which ACID doesn't do ) is it possible to = convert=20 midi time code ( which acid DOES do ) into clock, so i can feed = this to=20 jamman?
any other=20 workarounds ?    
-Thanks
Brendan
------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C14FDA.A6A0B7A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 8 10:44:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27439; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 10:37:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 10:37:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011008143629.25895.qmail@web12006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 07:36:29 -0700 (PDT) From: philip raath Subject: re: top 10 improvisors/jami sieber To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200110060001.UAA29241@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i can't decide on 10 right now, but if we're talking coltrane and dolphy, then i think i have to include mccoy tyner!!!! i.e. trane's longtime piano player. what i love about his improvisations is the simplicity and restraint. often times he would stick to whole chords instead of singlenote slickness, resulting in a majestic cacauphony(sp?) of thick, solid jazz noise that kind of balanced out tranes singlenote explorations. and yer welcome /t, i'm glad you picked up lush mechanique. everyone should probably keep an eye out for "lotus fire" when it comes out. she's recording w/ the thai elephant orchestra. peace, phil ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 8 10:59:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28263; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 10:58:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 10:58:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 09:57:27 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: midi time code to clock convertor? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001101c15009$8d5992b0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C14FDF.A311F950" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <003401c14ffc$2f3463c0$29bbd6d1@brendan> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C14FDF.A311F950 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable acid pro 3 has a preference setting for midi clock out. i have used it to synch the mo/fx... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Brendan Flick=20 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com=20 Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 8:21 AM Subject: midi time code to clock convertor?=20 Hello all - long -long time no post- I use a jamman and want to use = ACID software as slave , in order to do this i have to get midi clock = data out, (which ACID doesn't do ) is it possible to convert midi time = code ( which acid DOES do ) into clock, so i can feed this to jamman? any other workarounds ? =20 -Thanks Brendan=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C14FDF.A311F950 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
acid pro 3 has a preference setting for = midi clock=20 out.
i have used it to synch the = mo/fx...
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Brendan=20 Flick
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist= .com=20
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 = 8:21=20 AM
Subject: midi time code to = clock=20 convertor?

Hello all - long -long time no = post- I use a=20 jamman and want to use ACID software as slave , in order  to do = this i=20 have to get midi clock data out, (which ACID doesn't do ) is it = possible to=20 convert midi time code ( which acid DOES do ) into clock, so i = can feed=20 this to jamman?
any other=20 workarounds ?    
-Thanks
Brendan=20
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C14FDF.A311F950-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 8 11:51:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30443; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 11:49:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 11:49:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.237.88.172] From: "mike morris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 10 Favorite Improvisers Thread Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 15:48:33 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Oct 2001 15:48:33.0867 (UTC) FILETIME=[AF96A9B0:01C15010] Resent-Message-ID: <3gMtzB.A.dbH.0rcw7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jerrry garcia givoanni hidalgo miles davis charlie parker horacio 'el negro' hernandez bill laswell steve kimock ruben gonzalez arturo sandoval randy probst >From: scott kungha drengsen >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: 10 Favorite Improvisers Thread >Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 15:39:08 -0700 > >Miles Davis >Pundit Pran Nath >Nusrat Fakir Ali Khan >Scott La Faro >Warren Haynes >Terje Rypdal >Phil Lesh >Tony Williams >Trilok Gurtu >Jaco Pastorious > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 8 11:51:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30442; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 11:49:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 11:49:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 08:48:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: OS 10.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4uEPh.A.4aH.Zrcw7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >They are ..... :-) > >Doug Neiggggghhh! -Alex S. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 8 12:02:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31051; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 12:00:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 12:00:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.237.88.172] From: "mike morris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 10 Favorite Improvisers Thread Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 15:59:51 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Oct 2001 15:59:52.0200 (UTC) FILETIME=[43E81080:01C15012] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com so.... whats going on with the art ensemble of chicago? shane Fri, 05 Oct 2001 20:34:26 -0700 > >tennish > >Art Ensemble of Chicago >AMM >Dr. Eugene Chadbourne > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 8 13:44:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02958; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 13:42:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 13:42:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c15020$6a38d6d0$a883abd4@giogio> From: "luca" To: Subject: repeater price update Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 19:41:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C15031.2BBED1F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C15031.2BBED1F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Guys, can anybody update me about Repeater's street prices ? mail me privately if you wish. thanks, luca ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C15031.2BBED1F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Guys,
can anybody update me about Repeater's = street=20 prices ?
mail me privately if you = wish.
thanks,
luca
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C15031.2BBED1F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 8 14:00:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03974; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 13:58:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 13:58:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00741F0@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: OT? Derek Bailey and Improvisation Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 12:33:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C15016.ED769A00" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C15016.ED769A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" howdy, for those in l.a. who wish to see mr. bailey: he'll be at rocco in hollywood. web link and info follow: Thursday & Friday Oct 25-26 DEREK BAILEY & Company : with Dan Clucas - cornet, trumpet, flute Joseph Hammer - electronics, tape loops Chris Heenan - alto saxophone, bass clarinet Ronit Kirchman - violin Rick Potts - electronics, musical saw Scot Ray - trombone, tuba Sara Schoenbeck - bassoon Damon Smith - contrabass (from San Francisco) Rich West - percussion Saturday, October 27 THE ACOUSTIC GUITAR TRIO: Rod Poole, Jim McAuley, Nels Cline with DEREK BAILEY (solo) The ACOUSTIC GUITAR TRIO has a cd due out very soon on Incus Records, Derek Bailey's record label. ADMISSION IS $15 /night no reservations - tickets are first come, first serve the night of the event Doors open 10:30, shows start 11pm ------_=_NextPart_001_01C15016.ED769A00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: OT? Derek Bailey and Improvisation

howdy,

for those in l.a. who wish to see mr. bailey:

he'll be at rocco in hollywood.

web link and info follow:


Thursday & Friday Oct 25-26
DEREK BAILEY & Company :

with
Dan Clucas - cornet, trumpet, flute
Joseph Hammer - electronics, tape loops
Chris Heenan - alto saxophone, bass clarinet
Ronit Kirchman - violin
Rick Potts - electronics, musical saw
Scot Ray - trombone, tuba
Sara Schoenbeck - bassoon
Damon Smith - contrabass (from San Francisco)
Rich West - percussion
 Saturday, October 27
THE ACOUSTIC GUITAR TRIO:

Rod Poole, Jim McAuley, Nels Cline

with DEREK BAILEY (solo)

The ACOUSTIC GUITAR TRIO has a cd due out very soon on Incus Records, Derek Bailey's record label.
 

ADMISSION IS $15 /night
no reservations - tickets are first come, first serve the night of the event
Doors open 10:30, shows start 11pm

------_=_NextPart_001_01C15016.ED769A00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 8 14:05:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04367; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 14:04:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 14:04:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AaroneousAG@aol.com Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 14:02:52 EDT Subject: Re: 10 Favorite Improvisers Thread To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com These are kind of obvious as well, but in a different vein . . . I think the one thing that strings them all together (other than the pentatonic scale) is their use of delay to provide counterpoint to their melody lines, or to just fill up the sound . . . hope you enjoy 1. Eddie Hazel (Funkadelic) 2. Robert Smith (The Cure) 3. Daniel Ash (Bauhaus/Tones on Tail/Love and Rockets) 4. Jerry Garcia (Those smelly hippies) 5. Dave Navarro (Jane's Addiction) 6. Richard Thompson (Fairport Convention) 7. Nick McCabe (The Verve) 8. Tim Reynolds (Dave Mathews) 9. Michael Karoli (Can) 10. Craig Scanlon (The Fall) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 8 14:51:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06274; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 14:49:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 14:49:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: giuseppe_poteet@worldnet.att.net User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 11:42:16 -0700 Subject: Re: 10 Favorite Improvisers Thread To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 10/8/01 8:59 AM, mike morris at circuithead_@hotmail.com wrote: > > so.... whats going on with the art ensemble of chicago? > shane I don't know if anything's up now that Lester Bowie's dead. I'm sure others here know better than I. > > > Fri, 05 Oct 2001 20:34:26 -0700 >> >> tennish >> >> Art Ensemble of Chicago >> AMM >> Dr. Eugene Chadbourne >> > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 8 15:14:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07147; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 15:08:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 15:08:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00741F9@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: 10 Favorite Improvisers Thread Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 15:06:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1502C.4FBFD680" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1502C.4FBFD680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" i feel like someones else in the band dies as well. drummer? stig -----Original Message----- From: giuseppe_poteet@worldnet.att.net [mailto:giuseppe_poteet@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 11:42 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 10 Favorite Improvisers Thread on 10/8/01 8:59 AM, mike morris at circuithead_@hotmail.com wrote: > > so.... whats going on with the art ensemble of chicago? > shane I don't know if anything's up now that Lester Bowie's dead. I'm sure others here know better than I. > > > Fri, 05 Oct 2001 20:34:26 -0700 >> >> tennish >> >> Art Ensemble of Chicago >> AMM >> Dr. Eugene Chadbourne >> > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1502C.4FBFD680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: 10 Favorite Improvisers Thread

i feel like someones else in the band dies as well. = drummer?

stig

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 11:42 AM
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on 10/8/01 8:59 AM, mike morris at = circuithead_@hotmail.com wrote:

>
> so.... whats going on with the art ensemble of = chicago?
> shane

I don't know if anything's up now that Lester Bowie's = dead.  I'm sure others
here know better than I.

>
>
> Fri, 05 Oct 2001 20:34:26 -0700
>>
>> tennish
>>
>> Art Ensemble of Chicago
>> AMM
>> Dr. Eugene Chadbourne
>>
>
>
> = _________________________________________________________________=
> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C1502C.4FBFD680-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 8 15:40:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08374; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 15:36:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 15:36:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00741FA@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: 10 Favorite Improvisers Thread Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 15:21:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1502E.62829FD0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1502E.62829FD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" beside the people with whom i've been lucky enough to play, here's my list (or at least part of a list). when i started to think about this list, i noticed that most of these people were in the improviser/composer/visionary zone: coltrane miles wayne shorter (miles and blue note eras) bill evans eric dolphy john mclaughlin (earlier) anthony braxton lester bowie mark dresser dave holland to be honest, having favorites is sort of funny - - there are so many people from whom i learn when listening to their improvs, even the ones i dislike may teach me just as much as the the people named above. i guess the deciding factor that all of the people above share is that i keep going back to them and that their work produced a sea change in my own musical voyage - - of course these are only the people who do improv and represent a "current" list, it could change tmorrow . . . addtionally, there three people who i've only heard about being amazing improvisers, but whose music has meant a lot to me, that i wish i could have heard improvising: bach mozart beethoven stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1502E.62829FD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: 10 Favorite Improvisers Thread

beside the people with whom i've been lucky enough to = play, here's my list (or at least part of a list).

when i started to think about this list, i noticed = that most of these people were in the improviser/composer/visionary = zone:

coltrane
miles
wayne shorter (miles and blue note eras)
bill evans
eric dolphy
john mclaughlin (earlier)
anthony braxton
lester bowie
mark dresser
dave holland


to be honest, having favorites is sort of funny - - = there are so many people from whom i learn when listening to their = improvs, even the ones i dislike may teach me just as much as the the = people named above. i guess the deciding factor that all of the people = above share is that i keep going back to them and that their work = produced a sea change in my own musical voyage  - - of course = these are only the people who do improv and represent a = "current" list, it could change tmorrow . . .




addtionally, there three people who i've only heard = about being amazing improvisers, but whose music has meant a lot to me, = that i wish i could have heard improvising:

bach
mozart
beethoven

stig



------_=_NextPart_001_01C1502E.62829FD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 8 15:45:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08747; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 15:43:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 15:43:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PRCamann@aol.com Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 15:43:19 EDT Subject: Jon Hassell CDs To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: Resent-Message-ID: <2qlM0C.A.QIC.hHgw7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone on the list know where I can obtain CDs of the Jon Hassell albums Earthquake Island and Aka Darbari Java? (Please don't tell me eB*y; I bid on these every time someone puts them up for sale, and am always grossly outbid by someone with more money than sense. I just want to pay my money and listen to my music without any hassles (no pun intended).) Thanks, Paul Camann From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 8 16:44:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11621; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 16:43:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 16:43:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: DavAuk@Hevanet.Com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: 10 Favorite Improvisers Thread Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 16:44:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, He's a flautist, with probably the best technique I've ever heard on the instrument. Very experimental. He uses alot of delays and other effects to wring otherworldly tones from the instrument. Three albums that spring to mind are: Venturi Shadows (O.O. Discs) is amazing. Lots of groundbreaking stuff. My friend Igor was so impressed that he lifted it from my collection and moved across the country. Oh well. Third Stone From the Sun, New World Records. Hendrix covers by Dick and the Soldier String Quartet. Note: this is Jazz. I've recommended this to others and they were disapointed because they expected a rock album. This disc stays true to Hendrix's inquisitive, experimental nature on his instrument. I'd go as far to say that Robert Dick is the Hendrix of the Flute...whatever that means. More listenable than Venturi Shadows. The other is Steel and Bamboo (can't remember the label)this album features duets with Steve Gorn on Shakuhachi. You might also want to check out a trio called New Winds that Dick was playing in with Ned Rothenberg. I don't have anything more recent than those discs, but I'm sure he's improved. www.robertdick.net -----Original Message----- From: DaViD AuKeR [mailto:DavAuk@Hevanet.Com] Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:30 PM To: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Subject: re: 10 Favorite Improvisers Thread Carl, You mention Robert Dick. He's a flutist, right? Can you recommend any particular recording(s)? Thanks, David Bits of flute, piano, synth, Repeater, EDP in Portland, OR. > Living or dead in no particular order: > > 1. Late-period Coltrane (after Love Supreme, earlier is good too) > 2. Joe Maneri > 3. Matt Maneri > 4. Robert Dick > 5. Eric Dolphy > 6. Ravi Shankar > 7. Miya Masoaka > 8. Shawn Lane > 9. Stewart Dempster > 10. John Zorn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 8 17:13:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12755; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 17:12:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 17:12:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 13:27:15 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Jon Hassell CDs In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net (Unverified) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:43 PM -0400 10/8/01, PRCamann@aol.com wrote: >Does anyone on the list know where I can obtain CDs of the Jon >Hassell albums Earthquake Island and Aka Darbari Java? Earthquake Island http://www.aeonmusic.com/aeon-h.html http://pages.prodigy.net/stnight/caspg.html http://www.vinyl.de/originale/lpblack.htm Aka Darbari Java http://www.twistedvillage.com/catalog/vinyl_moderncomp.shtml http://www.recordcollectorsabyss.com/noise.html http://www.ricksdiscs.com/jazz.html http://www.boltbeats.com/bolt-h.html -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 8 17:35:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13867; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 17:34:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 17:34:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 16:34:02 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: 10 Favorite Improvisers Thread To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <008301c15040$f2c4fe50$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0080_01C15017.09D70180" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00741FA@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C15017.09D70180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: 10 Favorite Improvisers Thread>addtionally, there three people who = i've only heard about being amazing improvisers,=20 >but whose music has meant a lot to me, that i wish i could have heard = improvising: >bach=20 >mozart=20 >beethoven=20 excellent point. people tend to forget that in the past, art music performers tended to = be good improvisers. today, kids are not usually taught improv in = school... ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C15017.09D70180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: 10 Favorite Improvisers Thread

>addtionally, there three people who i've only = heard about=20 being amazing improvisers,

>but whose music has meant a lot to me, that i wish = i could=20 have heard improvising:

>bach
>mozart =
>beethoven

excellent point.

people tend to forget that in the past, = art music=20 performers tended to be good improvisers.  today, kids are not = usually taught improv=20 in school...

------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C15017.09D70180-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 8 17:42:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14194; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 17:40:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 17:40:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074203@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: 10 Favorite Improvisers Thread Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 17:38:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C15041.905BDBC0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C15041.905BDBC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" people tend to forget that in the past, art music performers tended to be good improvisers. today, kids are not usually taught improv in school... ** lame, isn't it? i had comp teachers who definitely looked down their noses at improv - - and, of course, cage and some others also did as well: "we tried improvisation and it didn't work" is the quote i remember hearing . . . ------_=_NextPart_001_01C15041.905BDBC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: 10 Favorite Improvisers Thread

 

people tend to forget that in the past, art music performers tended to be good improvisers.  today, kids are not usually taught improv in school... 

 

** lame, isn't it? i had comp teachers who definitely looked down their noses at improv - - and, of course, cage and some others also did as well: "we tried improvisation and it didn't work" is the quote i remember hearing . . .  

------_=_NextPart_001_01C15041.905BDBC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 8 17:50:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14577; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 17:48:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 17:48:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 17:47:20 -0400 Message-Id: <200110082147.RAA19806@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: Jon Hassell CDs X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 64.59.15.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dr Zvonar wrote: > At 3:43 PM -0400 10/8/01, PRCamann@aol.com wrote: > >Does anyone on the list know where I can obtain CDs of the Jon > >Hassell albums Earthquake Island and Aka Darbari Java? > > Earthquake Island > http://www.aeonmusic.com/aeon-h.html > http://pages.prodigy.net/stnight/caspg.html > http://www.vinyl.de/originale/lpblack.htm > > Aka Darbari Java > http://www.twistedvillage.com/catalog/vinyl_moderncomp.shtml > http://www.recordcollectorsabyss.com/noise.html > http://www.ricksdiscs.com/jazz.html > http://www.boltbeats.com/bolt-h.html damn, you had me going for a moment... but these are all LPs... Did these ever actually make it to CD?? I am starting to doubt it... /t -- I am the wombat. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 8 17:57:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15031; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 17:55:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 17:55:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 16:55:05 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: 10 Favorite Improvisers Thread To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00aa01c15043$e3ed86b0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A7_01C15019.FAFD6700" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074203@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A7_01C15019.FAFD6700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: 10 Favorite Improvisers Threadi remember coming up with a = composition idea in college which my composition professor rejected. the concept was to define rhythmic motives and song structure and leave = most note choices to the performers. (from pitch class sets, chord changes, etc...) he said i was "just trying to get out of the work" later he wound up using the idea in one of his compositions... wheeeeee interestingly, i have known some very good performers that were quite = nervous about doing improv, but were ok with "aleatoric" music... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Liebig, Steuart A.=20 To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'=20 Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 4:38 PM Subject: RE: 10 Favorite Improvisers Thread people tend to forget that in the past, art music performers tended = to be good improvisers. today, kids are not usually taught improv in = school...=20 ** lame, isn't it? i had comp teachers who definitely looked down = their noses at improv - - and, of course, cage and some others also did = as well: "we tried improvisation and it didn't work" is the quote i = remember hearing . . . =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00A7_01C15019.FAFD6700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: 10 Favorite Improvisers Thread
i remember coming up with a composition = idea in=20 college which my composition professor rejected.
the concept was to define rhythmic = motives and song=20 structure and leave most note choices to the performers.
(from pitch class sets, chord changes,=20 etc...)
he said i was "just trying to = get out of=20 the work"
later he wound up using the idea in one = of his=20 compositions...
 
wheeeeee
 
interestingly, i have known some very = good=20 performers that were quite nervous about doing improv,
but were ok with "aleatoric" = music...
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Liebig, Steuart A. =
To: 'Loopers-Delight@lo= opers-delight.com'=20
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 = 4:38=20 PM
Subject: RE: 10 Favorite = Improvisers=20 Thread

 

people tend to forget that in = the past, art=20 music performers tended to be good improvisers.  today, = kids are=20 not usually taught improv in school... 

 

** lame, isn't it? i had comp teachers = who=20 definitely looked down their noses at improv - - and, of course, = cage and=20 some others also did as well: "we tried improvisation and it = didn't=20 work" is the quote i remember hearing . . .=20 =  

------=_NextPart_000_00A7_01C15019.FAFD6700-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 8 18:24:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16007; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 18:15:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 18:15:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 15:14:51 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Jon Hassell CDs In-reply-to: <200110082147.RAA19806@www.editev.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: tom@swirly.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1209543183==_ma============" References: <200110082147.RAA19806@www.editev.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8SZiO.A.h5D.zViw7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1209543183==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 5:47 PM -0400 10/8/01, Tom Ritchford wrote: >damn, you had me going for a moment... but these >are all LPs... > >Did these ever actually make it to CD?? I am starting to doubt it... I know for a fact that aka darbari java is on CD (I have a copy) and it appears that Earthquake Island was also released on CD. EARTHQUAKE ISLAND Tomato 269612 (CD) aka darbari java EG Records EEGCD 31 -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz --============_-1209543183==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Jon Hassell CDs
At 5:47 PM -0400 10/8/01, Tom Ritchford wrote:

damn, you had me going for a moment... but these
are all LPs...
Did these ever actually make it to CD??  I am starting to doubt it...

I know for a fact that aka darbari java is on CD (I have a copy) and it appears that Earthquake Island was also released on CD.

EARTHQUAKE ISLAND
Tomato 269612 (CD)

aka darbari java
EG Records EEGCD 31
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--============_-1209543183==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 8 19:28:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24988; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 19:27:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 19:27:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c15050$808218e0$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: <200110082147.RAA19806@www.editev.com> Subject: Re: Jon Hassell CDs Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 19:25:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Ritchford > Dr Zvonar wrote: > > At 3:43 PM -0400 10/8/01, PRCamann@aol.com wrote: > > >Does anyone on the list know where I can obtain CDs of the Jon > > >Hassell albums Earthquake Island and Aka Darbari Java? > > > > damn, you had me going for a moment... but these > are all LPs... > > Did these ever actually make it to CD?? I am starting to doubt it... They're all on CD. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 8 19:50:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25909; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 19:49:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 19:49:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BC1DB78.7E8A8D11@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 16:59:43 +0000 From: Peter Wiley Reply-To: pwiley2@mindspring.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: 10 Favorite Improvisers Thread Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com a few newyorkiocentric improvisers not yet mentioned (in no intentional order): William Parker Lee Ranaldo Charles Gayle Matthew Shipp Zeena Parkins Tom Verlaine Thurston Moore Sabir Mateen Sunny Murray Simon Shaheen Sonny Sharrock Daniel Carter ... the concept of "ten favorites" is really kind of silly From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 8 19:50:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25901; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 19:49:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 19:49:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BC23C59.D1A255E8@ernieball.com> Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 16:52:57 -0700 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Performance recorder References: <200110032058.QAA14567@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: <2bb1ZD.A.DUG.1tjw7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello loopers- I am considering buying a device to record my (looping) performances. It should be rack mountable, and able to record up to four hours at a stretch. DAT seems like a good option, although a tape change would be necessary at some point (not good). It seems like the ideal thing would be a 2-channel hard disk recorder. That way, I could just cable it up to the computer at home after the gig and save the step of having to play it back to put it onto CD. I don't recall ever seeing anything like this, however. Is there anything like this available in the under-$500 price range? Thanks, -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 8 20:10:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26808; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 20:09:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 20:09:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074206@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "Looper's Delight (E-mail)" Subject: RE: 10 Favorite Improvisers Thread Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 19:51:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C15054.2FDD45F0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C15054.2FDD45F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" the concept of "ten favorites" is really kind of silly ** si, but it's kinda cool in that it can make you examine your roots and/or biases. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C15054.2FDD45F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: 10 Favorite Improvisers Thread


the concept of "ten favorites" is really kind of silly


** si, but it's kinda cool in that it can make you examine your roots and/or biases.

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C15054.2FDD45F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 8 20:14:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27044; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 20:13:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 20:13:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3BC23C59.D1A255E8@ernieball.com> References: <200110032058.QAA14567@hemlock.violacea.com> <3BC23C59.D1A255E8@ernieball.com> Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 20:11:30 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Performance recorder Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id UAA26995 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I am considering buying a device to record my (looping) performances. >It should be rack mountable, and able to record up to four hours at a >stretch. DAT seems like a good option, although a tape change would be >necessary at some point (not good). It seems like the ideal thing would >be a 2-channel hard disk recorder. That way, I could just cable it up >to the computer at home after the gig and save the step of having to >play it back to put it onto CD. I don't recall ever seeing anything >like this, however. Is there anything like this available in the >under-$500 price range? Well. Vestax used to and perhaps still does make all sorts of fairly cheap though not very solid looking rack-mountable hard disk recorders... I can't seem to find them any more, you could get 'em for a song second-hand I'm sure. Would I trust this? Is the disk removable? Is it in a format I could read? Can you get four hours on them? I don't know but I am sure that there's at least one "no" there. My best solution for you requires you to bend on the rack mounting. Get a slightly old PC laptop on eBay with USB, ethernet and at least a 5 gig drive. Get a cheap USB interface. $200. I'm not a PC guy but if you know someone who knows PC laptops I'll bet that you could get one that would record two channels of audio for $300. It doesn't really need anything else, not much memory or a fast disk or anything. Wipe the disk. Install a clean operating system. Install a single music program of your choice and the drivers for the interface. Voilà. (Eudora's spell checker is VERY clever -- it marks voilà as misspelled unless you put the acute accent on it...) /t http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 00:29:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA04211; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 00:27:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 00:27:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010907054927.3083.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010907054927.3083.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 01:27:10 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Peavey PC-1600x in a rack case? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I would like to put my PC-1600x on a sliding rack >shelf. So far the only one I've found with the proper >shelf width is the heavy duty one from Middle >Atlantic. > >Aside from the cost($79), my only gripe with this >option is that the shelf alone takes up over one rack >space. > >I'm wondering if any of you PC-1600x users have come >up with something better. I recently met Willy Strehler, an important contributor to the loop delay in terms of sync and crazy live guitar noise maker and studio owner, and I took a picture of his PC 1600 with a multicore and 16 (!) controller pedals, arranged in a box in two rows. He sais its the only solution to improvise dynamic complex music... http://Matthias.Grob.org/pMusEng/loopdev.htm look for Willy and his equipment link. You can also find a picture of our loved Claude Voit in his garage. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 01:31:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA06921; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 01:30:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 01:30:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011009053005.76937.qmail@web10003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 22:30:05 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Peavey PC-1600x in a rack case? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Damn! Is that a picture of Kim on your site? I've always pictured him as a "Lone Gunmen" type. Who would have thought he was as clean-cut as Eddie Haskell? :) :) :) :) My apologies to anyone not familiar with "classic" American television. Thanks for the link Matthias! Waiting to receive "the business", :) John --- Matthias Grob wrote: > >I would like to put my PC-1600x on a sliding rack > >shelf. So far the only one I've found with the > proper > >shelf width is the heavy duty one from Middle > >Atlantic. > > > >Aside from the cost($79), my only gripe with this > >option is that the shelf alone takes up over one > rack > >space. > > > >I'm wondering if any of you PC-1600x users have > come > >up with something better. > > I recently met Willy Strehler, an important > contributor to the loop > delay in terms of sync and crazy live guitar noise > maker and studio > owner, and I took a picture of his PC 1600 with a > multicore and 16 > (!) controller pedals, arranged in a box in two > rows. He sais its the > only solution to improvise dynamic complex music... > http://Matthias.Grob.org/pMusEng/loopdev.htm > look for Willy and his equipment link. > You can also find a picture of our loved Claude Voit > in his garage. > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 01:45:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA07391; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 01:43:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 01:43:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000601c15085$46b935a0$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: <20011009053005.76937.qmail@web10003.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Peavey PC-1600x in a rack case? Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 22:43:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That picture looks ancient- Kim actually is the wiley long-haired rebel loop pirate of your dreams... no kidding! Om :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Tidwell" To: Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 10:30 PM Subject: Re: Peavey PC-1600x in a rack case? > Damn! Is that a picture of Kim on your site? I've > always pictured him as a "Lone Gunmen" type. > > Who would have thought he was as clean-cut as > Eddie Haskell? > > :) :) :) :) > > My apologies to anyone not familiar with "classic" > American television. > > Thanks for the link Matthias! > > > Waiting to receive "the business", > > :) > > John > > > --- Matthias Grob wrote: > > >I would like to put my PC-1600x on a sliding rack > > >shelf. So far the only one I've found with the > > proper > > >shelf width is the heavy duty one from Middle > > >Atlantic. > > > > > >Aside from the cost($79), my only gripe with this > > >option is that the shelf alone takes up over one > > rack > > >space. > > > > > >I'm wondering if any of you PC-1600x users have > > come > > >up with something better. > > > > I recently met Willy Strehler, an important > > contributor to the loop > > delay in terms of sync and crazy live guitar noise > > maker and studio > > owner, and I took a picture of his PC 1600 with a > > multicore and 16 > > (!) controller pedals, arranged in a box in two > > rows. He sais its the > > only solution to improvise dynamic complex music... > > http://Matthias.Grob.org/pMusEng/loopdev.htm > > look for Willy and his equipment link. > > You can also find a picture of our loved Claude Voit > > in his garage. > > -- > > > > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > > > > ===== > John Tidwell > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. > http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 02:06:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08370; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 02:05:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 02:05:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011009060500.27609.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 23:05:00 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Peavey PC-1600x in a rack case? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000601c15085$46b935a0$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <3Sqmh.A.jCC.NOpw7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's a relief! I was just about ready to order some AMWAY products from him! Just kidding Kim. It's a good photo. John --- Om_Audio wrote: > That picture looks ancient- Kim actually is the > wiley long-haired rebel loop > pirate of your dreams... no kidding! > > Om > :) ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 03:28:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA12312; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 03:26:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 03:26:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011008235815.045e25a8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 00:24:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Peavey PC-1600x in a rack case? In-Reply-To: <20011009060500.27609.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> References: <000601c15085$46b935a0$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeah that pic was a while ago. I was a little shocked at how young I looked. :-) What the photo doesn't show is the long mullet-ponytail that was on the back of my head at the time. I guess I also didn't have the full-on pompadour that I sometimes did in those days. I didn't realize people were so interested in my hair, but if you must know I've since severely shaved it so I have a sort of half mohawk on the back half of my head. that bit is long, most of the way down my back, and I frequently die it different colors. I look like a hare-krishna gone punk. I think it was bright green when I showed up at the loop festival in Berkeley, which coincidentally matched a lot of Rick Walker's set. the rest of my head is micro-length fuzz. The only other known photos of me on the net are on these pages about my car, where my hair was faded purple but about matches the car color: http://www.kimflint.org/912/ I guess I'll declare this to be the official Looper's Delight hair cut. That plus the t-shirt gets you a free beer. kim At 11:05 PM 10/8/2001, John Tidwell wrote: >That's a relief! I was just about ready to order >some AMWAY products from him! > >Just kidding Kim. It's a good photo. > >John > > >--- Om_Audio wrote: > > That picture looks ancient- Kim actually is the > > wiley long-haired rebel loop > > pirate of your dreams... no kidding! > > > > Om > > :) > > >===== >John Tidwell > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. >http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 04:18:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA14106; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 04:17:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 04:17:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7D4D951568BED111B4C900805FF5E50D09ECA666@w12tcxu03.tv.bbc.co.uk> From: Simeon Harris To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: stereo delay Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 09:15:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i sold my two jammans to buy a repeater, but at the moment it's not cutting the mustard with respect to ambient loops, because of the "bump" problem on the loop boundary - so i was thinking about getting some sort of delay device, so i can carry on making my ambient loops. what i need is actually a very simple device - two 12 second delays in parallel, but there doesn't seem to be anything out there that will do the job in a rack unit - i could get two echoplexes, or try and find another two jammans, or use two of the new line 6 echo pros, or use two tc electronic d-two's, but they will all cost me masses of wedge! can anybody think of a cheaper option, or know where i could get something made, that's not going to cost me an arm and a leg - it's only a delay unit, after all! cheers, sim This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 04:34:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA15237; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 04:33:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 04:33:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011009083233.12439.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 01:32:33 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: stereo delay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7D4D951568BED111B4C900805FF5E50D09ECA666@w12tcxu03.tv.bbc.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You're probably looking for something with stereo ins & outs, but...... The Digitech 2120 has a mono in & stereo outs. It would allow you to have two 10 sec delays in parallel. John --- Simeon Harris wrote: > > i sold my two jammans to buy a repeater, but at the > moment it's not cutting > the mustard with respect to ambient loops, because > of the "bump" problem on > the loop boundary - so i was thinking about getting > some sort of delay > device, so i can carry on making my ambient loops. > what i need is actually a very simple device - two > 12 second delays in > parallel, but there doesn't seem to be anything out > there that will do the > job in a rack unit - i could get two echoplexes, or > try and find another two > jammans, or use two of the new line 6 echo pros, or > use two tc electronic > d-two's, but they will all cost me masses of wedge! > > can anybody think of a cheaper option, or know where > i could get something > made, that's not going to cost me an arm and a leg - > it's only a delay unit, > after all! > > cheers, > > sim > > > This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If > you have received > it in error, please delete it from your system, do > not use or disclose > the information in any way, and notify me > immediately. The contents of > this message may contain personal views which are > not the views of the > BBC, unless specifically stated. > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 05:44:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA22388; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 05:41:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 05:41:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: RE: Jon Hassell CDs Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 11:42:45 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200110082147.RAA19806@www.editev.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Sender: 520030663132-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Did these ever actually make it to CD?? I am starting to doubt it... yes, they did. And when you check out amazon, you'll find that they have Aka Darbari Java on CD. = michael peters = computer graphics + electronic music = www.mpeters.de/mpeweb From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 06:06:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA03136; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 06:04:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 06:04:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011009055906.007f1c40@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 05:59:06 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Jon Hassell CDs In-Reply-To: References: <200110082147.RAA19806@www.editev.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:42 AM 10/9/01 +0200, you wrote: >> Did these ever actually make it to CD?? I am starting to doubt it... > >yes, they did. And when you check out amazon, you'll find that they have Aka >Darbari Java on CD. Thay SAY they do, and have a price for it and everything, but when you try to order you find they're out of stock... -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 06:12:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA03455; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 06:11:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 06:11:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: partagas.dragonet.es: 193-153-189-238.uc.nombres.ttd.es [193.153.189.238] didn't use HELO protocol Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20011009122308.00a4caf0@mail.dragonet.es> X-Sender: d3055@mail.dragonet.es X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 12:23:08 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Raul Bonell Subject: RE: Jon Hassell CDs In-Reply-To: References: <200110082147.RAA19806@www.editev.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:42 a.m. 09/10/01 +0200, you wrote: yes ... i them both in cd format ... >> Did these ever actually make it to CD?? I am starting to doubt it... > >yes, they did. And when you check out amazon, you'll find that they have Aka >Darbari Java on CD. > >= michael peters >= computer graphics + electronic music >= www.mpeters.de/mpeweb > > El Cau De La Figa Reial http://www.dragonet.es/users/d3055/rb From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 07:40:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA05853; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 07:39:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 07:39:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003401c150b7$6eb0c3c0$1a43e540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <7D4D951568BED111B4C900805FF5E50D09ECA666@w12tcxu03.tv.bbc.co.uk> Subject: Re: stereo delay Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 07:42:10 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > i sold my two jammans to buy a repeater, but at the moment it's not cutting > the mustard with respect to ambient loops, because of the "bump" problem on > the loop boundary - so i was thinking about getting some sort of delay > device, so i can carry on making my ambient loops. > what i need is actually a very simple device - two 12 second delays in > parallel, but there doesn't seem to be anything out there that will do the > job in a rack unit - i could get two echoplexes, or try and find another two > jammans, or use two of the new line 6 echo pros, or use two tc electronic > d-two's, but they will all cost me masses of wedge! > > can anybody think of a cheaper option, or know where i could get something > made, that's not going to cost me an arm and a leg - it's only a delay unit, > after all! > > cheers, > > sim Jamie, the other half of dreamSTATE, uses two DOD D12 delay/sampler units to get a nice 12 second stereo delay. I used one myself (before getting my EDP) and it's an awkward sampler/looper but a good delay (and quite good for ambient) in a small, one unit rack and DOD was blowing them out in the last few years. (If your signal-in is low - try using the mic. input.) Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.mp3.com/dreamSTATE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 08:21:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA06969; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 08:19:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 08:19:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013701c150bc$e98ead00$4e64f93f@looppool> From: "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" To: References: <200110082224.SAA16447@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: re: improvisers thread Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 05:21:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've heard that Schoenberg said, "All composition is just very slow improivsation" or words to that effect. This was a liberating concept for my work when I first heard it, as I have been an improviser all of my life and a composer only in the last few years. Great f**cking thread, dudes and dudesses, yours, Rick (loop.pool) P.S. I've been very lucky to play with many great improvisers: a few the incomparable Robert Dick (on flute, bass flute and slide flute) Gary Regina (a regional musician who is a wonderful multi reed, multi instrumentalist, fearless, which makes a good improviser) Pipa Pinon (an avanted garde singer............will go ANYWHERE the music is going and be completely in the moment with it). Bill Walker (my brother: just a fount of creativity and a breadth of styles that is exceedingly rare) Bob Brozman: a master slide/national steel player whose played with musicians from all over the world, succesfully without knowing anything about there traditions Debhashish Battycharya: my vote for the greatest slide guitarist on the planet (and Bob Brozman, David Lyndley and Martin Simpson's vote as well............perhaps the deepest musician that I've ever improvised with.......we were asked to play 45 minutes of pure improv at the local FAT FRY annual concert and it was just an astonishing gig for me. Doug Robinson, my rhythm section mate with Bob Brozman and Martin Simpson........perhaps the best accompanying bassist (acoustic and electric) I've ever either heard or played with (lucky me!!!). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 08:38:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA07585; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 08:37:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 08:37:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200110091237.f99CbVT29438@chmls16.mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 08:32:17 -0400 From: Dean Stiglitz Subject: re[2]: Performance recorder To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: Peter Cohen Associates X-Mailer: GoldMine [5.50.10424] Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id IAA07548 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'd stay away from the vestax...but i'd look at fostex. they have a line of 8 and 16 track recorders that are rack mountable, and resemble adat's in form and feel...they have removeable hard drives, and are easy to use. a bit of overkill for 2 track, but when the heads go out of alignment (or the transport), you buy a new cheap hard drive, not an expensive (not always successful) DAT repair. deknow >> >I am considering buying a device to record my (looping) performances. >> >It should be rack mountable, and able to record up to four hours at a >> >stretch. DAT seems like a good option, although a tape change would be >> >necessary at some point (not good). It seems like the ideal thing would >> >be a 2-channel hard disk recorder. That way, I could just cable it up >> >to the computer at home after the gig and save the step of having to >> >play it back to put it onto CD. I don't recall ever seeing anything >> >like this, however. Is there anything like this available in the >> >under-$500 price range? >> Well. >> Vestax used to and perhaps still does make all sorts of fairly >> cheap though not very solid looking rack-mountable hard disk >> recorders... I can't seem to find them any more, you could >> get 'em for a song second-hand I'm sure. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 08:54:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA08247; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 08:53:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 08:53:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c150c1$9aa99600$87d91f3e@snowmonster> Reply-To: "one less than none" From: "one less than none" To: Subject: edp sounds 'glitchy' Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 13:54:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C150C9.FB277440" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C150C9.FB277440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi i got my EDP the other day after years of waiting (i found out about = them as soon as they became hard to get) On the whole i love it however i have noticed this 'problem' If i record an ebow drone at a constant pitch and volume when i hit = record again (to start the loop) a glitch' is inserted at this point Why is this ? David=20 one less than none http://www.onelessthannone.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C150C9.FB277440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi i got my EDP the other day after = years of=20 waiting (i found out about them as soon as they became hard to = get)
On the whole i love it however i have = noticed this=20 'problem'
If i record an ebow drone at a constant = pitch and=20 volume when i hit record again (to start the loop) a glitch' is inserted = at this=20 point
Why is this ?
David
 
one less than none
http://www.onelessthannone.co.u= k
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C150C9.FB277440-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 09:01:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA08556; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 08:58:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 08:58:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003001c150c1$93a5a060$10b9d6d1@brendan> From: "Brendan Flick" To: References: <003401c14ffc$2f3463c0$29bbd6d1@brendan> <001101c15009$8d5992b0$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: midi time code to clock convertor? Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 08:54:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01C150A0.0BDB5EC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C150A0.0BDB5EC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for response , - it will send time clock , but not slave to it - = that's the problem ----=20 -Brendan=20 From: jim palmer=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 10:57 AM Subject: Re: midi time code to clock convertor? acid pro 3 has a preference setting for midi clock out. i have used it to synch the mo/fx... =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Brendan Flick=20 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com=20 Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 8:21 AM Subject: midi time code to clock convertor?=20 Hello all - long -long time no post- I use a jamman and want to use = ACID software as slave , in order to do this i have to get midi clock = data out, (which ACID doesn't do ) is it possible to convert midi time = code ( which acid DOES do ) into clock, so i can feed this to jamman? any other workarounds ? =20 -Thanks Brendan=20 ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C150A0.0BDB5EC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for response ,  - it = will send=20 time clock , but not slave to it - that's the problem ---- =
-Brendan
From:=20 jim = palmer
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delig= ht.com=20
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 = 10:57=20 AM
Subject: Re: midi time code to = clock=20 convertor?

acid pro 3 has a preference setting = for midi=20 clock out.
i have used it to synch the = mo/fx...
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Brendan=20 Flick
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com= =20
Sent: Monday, October 08, = 2001 8:21=20 AM
Subject: midi time code to = clock=20 convertor?

Hello all - long -long time no = post- I use=20 a jamman and want to use ACID software as slave , in order  to = do this=20 i have to get midi clock data out, (which ACID doesn't do ) is it = possible=20 to convert midi time code ( which acid DOES do ) into clock, so = i can=20 feed this to jamman?
any other=20 workarounds ?    
-Thanks
Brendan=20
------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C150A0.0BDB5EC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 10:18:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11406; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 10:16:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 10:16:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 10:15:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200110091415.KAA27743@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: re[2]: Performance recorder X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 64.59.15.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > i'd stay away from the vestax...but i'd look at fostex. they have a line of 8 and 16 track recorders that are rack mountable, and resemble adat's in form and feel... but those are WAY over the $500 price tag! > deknow > > >> >I am considering buying a device to record my (looping) performances. > >> >It should be rack mountable, and able to record up to four hours at a > >> >stretch. DAT seems like a good option, although a tape change would be > >> >necessary at some point (not good). It seems like the ideal thing would > >> >be a 2-channel hard disk recorder. That way, I could just cable it up > >> >to the computer at home after the gig and save the step of having to > >> >play it back to put it onto CD. I don't recall ever seeing anything > >> >like this, however. Is there anything like this available in the > >> >under-$500 price range? > > >> Well. > > >> Vestax used to and perhaps still does make all sorts of fairly > >> cheap though not very solid looking rack-mountable hard disk > >> recorders... I can't seem to find them any more, you could > >> get 'em for a song second-hand I'm sure. > > -- I am the wombat. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 10:18:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11407; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 10:16:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 10:16:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: 10 Favorite Improvisers Thread Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 10:17:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <3vW7j.A.YxC.7Zww7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, I know the 10 favorites thing is a little silly. My ten favorites can change with my blood sugar levels and amount of sleep I got the night before. It was an arbitrary number. Here's my reasoning behind it. By putting a limit on the list, I was hoping to get people to think about their choices. My reason for starting the thread was to find some new music to check out. By puting a number on it, I thought I would get more qualified data that I could sort through to check out, rather than rambling lists containing scores of individuals. If I see some people showing up on multiple posts that I have not heard of, I'm going to be more likely to check them out. Here's my list for today (note sure these are all improvisors): Fantomas Mr Bungle The Ruins Painkiller Naked City Mozart The Roots DJ Craze Pharoah Sanders Alice Coltrane Not much sleep last night, as you can see from above. Thanks for all your input, Carl -----Original Message----- From: Peter Wiley [mailto:pwiley2@mindspring.com] Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 1:00 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: 10 Favorite Improvisers Thread a few newyorkiocentric improvisers not yet mentioned (in no intentional order): William Parker Lee Ranaldo Charles Gayle Matthew Shipp Zeena Parkins Tom Verlaine Thurston Moore Sabir Mateen Sunny Murray Simon Shaheen Sonny Sharrock Daniel Carter ... the concept of "ten favorites" is really kind of silly From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 10:34:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12140; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 10:33:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 10:33:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 09:32:27 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Peavey PC-1600x in a rack case? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001301c150cf$38936280$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000601c15085$46b935a0$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20011008235815.045e25a8@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com what's the best sports car for looping? i think it's the bmw z3... porsche is ok, i guess. but for the deepest looping features i'm sticking with the z3. i'm sure some of us can afford both, and thick, weird textures result from combining them. imho, haircuts are a red herring as far as looping is concerned... > The only other known photos of me on the net are on these pages about my > car, where my hair was faded purple but about matches the car color: > http://www.kimflint.org/912/ > > I guess I'll declare this to be the official Looper's Delight hair cut. > That plus the t-shirt gets you a free beer. > > kim > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 10:49:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12711; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 10:48:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 10:48:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003901c150d0$e9becda0$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Eric Williamson" From: "Eric Williamson" To: Subject: Re: stereo delay Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 09:44:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >jammans, or use two of the new line 6 echo pros, or use two tc electronic no, you couldn't remember ... NO SYNC!!! AAARRRGHHHHHH!!!!! good luck. my money's on the 'peater OS upgrade. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 11:05:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13282; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 11:03:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 11:03:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: OT: Hairdos and Attitudes; Stig as guitarist Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 08:02:55 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001301c150cf$38936280$080210ac@jpalmer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I noticed from archival photos that Stig used to be more hirsute--now sporting a buzz cut-- More on a musical note but still OT with regard to looping--did Steuart do time as a 6-string guitarist? Seemed like he made reference to a "more like Clapton than Pass" comment in the LA Times . . . Figured now was as good a time to ask as any--I'm knee deep in personal effects (not the digital kind), doing the move to San Diego-- I have discovered that a lifetime as a musician has made me partial to moving! Wonder if I can get somebody to pay me to move (maybe try to take up a collection wherever I go) Catch ya'll on the B side . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 11:18:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13742; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 11:15:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 11:15:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011009151435.35303.qmail@web12003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 08:14:35 -0700 (PDT) From: philip raath Subject: Re: stereo delay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200110091254.IAA08355@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <1ye8JD.A.KWD.cRxw7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i was also going to suggest looking at the dod d12, especially if yer on a budget. i think the tap is highly sensitive, so that rythmic loops are a possibility, but you have to work at it. it's pretty sweet for ambient loops though. question: please forgive my ignorance, but what do you mean by "in parallel" in this instance? take care, phil ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 12:00:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15096; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 11:59:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 11:59:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200110091558.f99FwFr28460@chmls05.mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 11:53:47 -0400 From: Dean Stiglitz Subject: re[4]: Performance recorder To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: Peter Cohen Associates X-Mailer: GoldMine [5.50.10424] Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA15016 Resent-Message-ID: <7nS3_.A.3qD.r6xw7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i think there are "previous generation" used ones available (at least in the 8 track format) that would be under 5 bills, but i'm not sure. btw, tom, we have met before. i live in boston doing weird electronic music, sometimes using yamaha wind controllers (we met at a party in manhattan a few years ago, introduced by m. evenson)...hi! deknow >> > i'd stay away from the vestax...but i'd look at fostex. they have a >> line of 8 and 16 track recorders that are rack mountable, and resemble >> adat's in form and feel... >> but those are WAY over the $500 price tag! >> > deknow >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 12:01:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15137; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 12:00:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 12:00:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 09:00:26 -0700 Subject: Re: stereo delay Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20011009083233.12439.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I own a repeater and do ambient loops all the time. I'm not sure what "bump" you're talking about. Are you looking for a perfect drone? I can't imagine that's possible. Zerocrossing issues will always trip you up. Why not use a volume pedal to smooth out the start of loop? Sprinkle liberally with reverb, and you'll have a pretty "bump" free loop. Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, October 9, 2001, at 01:32 AM, John Tidwell wrote: > You're probably looking for something with stereo > ins & outs, but...... > > The Digitech 2120 has a mono in & stereo outs. It > would allow you to have two 10 sec delays in parallel. > > John > > > --- Simeon Harris wrote: >> >> i sold my two jammans to buy a repeater, but at the >> moment it's not cutting >> the mustard with respect to ambient loops, because >> of the "bump" problem on >> the loop boundary - so i was thinking about getting >> some sort of delay >> device, so i can carry on making my ambient loops. >> what i need is actually a very simple device - two >> 12 second delays in >> parallel, but there doesn't seem to be anything out >> there that will do the >> job in a rack unit - i could get two echoplexes, or >> try and find another two >> jammans, or use two of the new line 6 echo pros, or >> use two tc electronic >> d-two's, but they will all cost me masses of wedge! >> >> can anybody think of a cheaper option, or know where >> i could get something >> made, that's not going to cost me an arm and a leg - >> it's only a delay unit, >> after all! >> >> cheers, >> >> sim >> >> >> This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If >> you have received >> it in error, please delete it from your system, do >> not use or disclose >> the information in any way, and notify me >> immediately. The contents of >> this message may contain personal views which are >> not the views of the >> BBC, unless specifically stated. >> > > > ===== > John Tidwell > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just > $8.95/month. > http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 12:23:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16152; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 12:22:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 12:22:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 12:21:12 -0400 From: David Kenzik To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Stereo A/B-A+B Switch Boxes Message-ID: <20011009122112.K4026@over.react.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can anyone recommend a TRS switchbox? I'd rather purchase something, but might have to resort to building it myself. I'm looking to take the L/R output of my VG8EX, as well as the L/R output from my rack-o-goodies, and switch between them, or combine them, as they enter another rack-o-goodies. I can handle this routing via my mixers, but I have a need to switch during performance-- walking over to the mixer and un-muting/muting the busses isn't an option at this point. Any suggestions? -- David S. Kenzik david@kenzik.com - http://kenzik.com Original Music - http://kenzik.com/music From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 12:31:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16489; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 12:30:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 12:30:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200110091415.KAA27743@www.editev.com> References: <200110091415.KAA27743@www.editev.com> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 09:25:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: re[2]: Performance recorder Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got a Fostex DMT8vl that i would be willing to part with... 8 tracks... 44.1 uncompressed audio I/O 2 track recording at a time (4 if you use the optical i/o with the analog) 8 channel analog mixer 2 fx sends and 2 stereo returns. It served me very very well for the last 5 years. rock solid. it recently got packed away since i migrated to the mac/logic. it's pretty much a cross between a 4 track on steroids and a VS880. analog and traditional transport feel with hard drive recording. you could put it in a rackmount shelf thingamagig... it would probably fit flat in 2-3 spaces? ummmm.....$400? paid $1100 for the thing and have put in about $250 in hard drive and software upgrade. email me privately if interested. best, rich > > i'd stay away from the vestax...but i'd look at fostex. they have a >line of 8 and 16 track recorders that are rack mountable, and resemble >adat's in form and feel... > >but those are WAY over the $500 price tag! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 12:32:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16613; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 12:31:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 12:31:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006e01c150e0$181f85e0$fd29f7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Subject: 10 improvisors... Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 17:30:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <0VsIbD.A.RCE.tYyw7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 10 Improvisors (no particular order) Bruce Cockburn (acoustic guitar god) Coltrane (no, really? :o) Frisell (stretches it in all directions, still sounds like Frisell) Bill Evans (listening to two takes of the same tune recorded one after the other and hearing the difference really opened me up to the breadth of Jazz improv) Jimmy Haslip (even in the confines of uber-fusioners The Yellowjackets, Jimmy's soloing and walking live are amazing) Abe Laboriel (from mellow chording to punching the crap out of his bass, his engery is incredible) Rick Walker Michael Manring Jerome Curry Jez Carr (Rick, Michael, Jerome and Jez are all players I've had the priviledge of playing in free improv settings with over the last few months, and all have taught me a great deal about process, direction, freedom and fun - should be some recorded stuff available of me with each of them at some point in the not too distant future...) Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 12:36:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16820; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 12:34:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 12:34:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 12:38:47 -0400 Subject: Re: Stereo A/B-A+B Switch Boxes From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20011009122112.K4026@over.react.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'd recommend the (now out of business) Uptown Flash unit. it is noiseless, very high quality, very midi adressable, and uses very fast crossfades to eliminate pops on switching...it is capable of switching between four sets of stereo pairs. it can also be run by a proprietary footwitch. i've seen them used for about $150. peace monk on 10/9/01 12:21 PM, David Kenzik at david@kenzik.com wrote: > Can anyone recommend a TRS switchbox? I'd rather purchase something, but > might have to resort to building it myself. > > I'm looking to take the L/R output of my VG8EX, as well as the L/R output > from my rack-o-goodies, and switch between them, or combine them, as they > enter another rack-o-goodies. > > I can handle this routing via my mixers, but I have a need to switch during > performance-- walking over to the mixer and un-muting/muting the busses > isn't an option at this point. > > Any suggestions? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 12:44:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17163; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 12:43:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 12:43:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074207@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Hairdos and Attitudes; Stig as guitarist Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 12:41:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C150E1.30F7E2A0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C150E1.30F7E2A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I noticed from archival photos that Stig used to be more hirsute--now sporting a buzz cut-- ** i go back and forth, depends on how busy/lazy i am - - sometimes it's been a total shave job. which archive photo? More on a musical note but still OT with regard to looping--did Steuart do time as a 6-string guitarist? Seemed like he made reference to a "more like Clapton than Pass" comment in the LA Times . . . ** yeah. i was a bass player who ended up playing rhythm guitar with les mccann when i was 19; stopped when i was 23 and went back to school to learn about classical music - - and stop playing guitar, which was unsatisfying for me. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C150E1.30F7E2A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Hairdos and Attitudes; Stig as guitarist

I noticed from archival photos that Stig used to be = more hirsute--now
sporting a buzz cut--

** i go back and forth, depends on how busy/lazy i am = - - sometimes it's been a total shave job. which archive photo?

More on a musical note but still OT with regard to = looping--did Steuart do
time as a  6-string guitarist?  Seemed = like he made reference to a "more
like Clapton than Pass" comment in the LA Times = . . .

** yeah. i was a bass player who ended up playing = rhythm guitar with les mccann when i was 19; stopped when i was 23 and = went back to school to learn about classical music - - and stop playing = guitar, which was unsatisfying for me.

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C150E1.30F7E2A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 12:52:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17490; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 12:51:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 12:51:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 09:49:55 -0700 From: "Miko Biffle" To: Subject: RE: Hairdos and Attitudes; Stig as guitarist Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA17441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ** yeah. i was a bass player who ended up playing rhythm guitar with les mccann when i was 19; stopped when i was 23 and went back to school to learn about classical music - - and stop playing guitar, which was unsatisfying for me. stig I've been trying to stop for about 30 years... Unfortunately there is no known cure for guitar playing once you're infected... -m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 12:55:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17661; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 12:54:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 12:54:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003501c150e2$e9819860$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <20011009122112.K4026@over.react.net> Subject: Re: Stereo A/B-A+B Switch Boxes Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 17:53:23 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rapco (http://www.rapco.com) makes an A/B stomp box that might suit your purpose. I use mine to switch on and off the input from guitar to two Zoom 2100's, as such: ,-----[ Zoom 2100 #1] Guitar ---[Rapco A/B ]< `----[ Zoom 2100 #2] Each Zoom has stereo out, and each pair goes to 1+2, and 3+4 accordingly. A look at their site shows that they also recommend the use of the same box to selectively combine two signals into one, though I would expect that there would be a volume ratio situation to consider between your two signal sources. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.live365.com/stations/218194 * EarthLight Online / Live! ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Kenzik" To: Sent: 09 October 2001 17:21 PM Subject: Stereo A/B-A+B Switch Boxes > Can anyone recommend a TRS switchbox? I'd rather purchase something, but > might have to resort to building it myself. > > I'm looking to take the L/R output of my VG8EX, as well as the L/R output > from my rack-o-goodies, and switch between them, or combine them, as they > enter another rack-o-goodies. > > I can handle this routing via my mixers, but I have a need to switch during > performance-- walking over to the mixer and un-muting/muting the busses > isn't an option at this point. > > Any suggestions? > > -- > David S. Kenzik > david@kenzik.com - http://kenzik.com > Original Music - http://kenzik.com/music > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 13:06:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17999; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 13:00:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 13:00:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074208@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Hairdos and Attitudes; Stig as guitarist Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 12:58:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C150E3.915F8880" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C150E3.915F8880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" buy a 6-string bass, that'll do it. sl I've been trying to stop for about 30 years... Unfortunately there is no known cure for guitar playing once you're infected... -m ------_=_NextPart_001_01C150E3.915F8880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Hairdos and Attitudes; Stig as guitarist

buy a 6-string bass, that'll do it.

sl




I've been trying to stop for about 30 years... = Unfortunately there is no known cure for guitar playing once you're = infected...

-m

------_=_NextPart_001_01C150E3.915F8880-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 13:14:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18543; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 13:13:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 13:13:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 10:12:21 -0700 From: "Miko Biffle" To: Subject: RE: Hairdos and Attitudes; Stig as guitarist Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA18491 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmmm.... This actually sounds like GOOD advice! -m >>> Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com 10/09/01 09:58AM >>> buy a 6-string bass, that'll do it. sl I've been trying to stop for about 30 years... Unfortunately there is no known cure for guitar playing once you're infected... -m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 13:58:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20274; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 13:57:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 13:57:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Dave Hastings" To: Subject: RE: midi time code to clock convertor? Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 11:01:05 -0700 Message-ID: <001d01c150ec$5d990d60$9c2679a5@hmv5n> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Subject: midi time code to clock convertor? > Hello all - long -long time no post- I use a > jamman and want to use ACID software as slave, > in order to do this i have to get midi clock > data out, (which ACID doesn't do ) is it possible > to convert midi time code ( which acid DOES do ) > into clock, so i can feed this to jamman? any other > workarounds ? Am I correct in understanding that you want to take MIDI clock from the jamman and slave ACID to that? What are you trying to do? I can see two obvious possibilities (I'm sure there are some other non-obvious ones). First, preventing drift between the jamman and ACID (implies you know tempo ahead of time, and can set it in ACID). For this, I'd suspect that it's a lot easier generate MIDI clock in ACID and slave the jamman. Second, setting tempo and syncing. This unfortunately can't be done (not entirely true, see below). MTC is entirely tempo-less. It's based on a specific number of frames/second, and the number of frames is part of the format. (For instance if you set ACID to look for 30fps and send it 24fps MTC, it doesn't sync). All of that said, within limits you can play around with the rate at which the MTC quarter frame messages are delivered, and still sync. I whacked together some code for keykit to generate MTC, and synced (sunk?) ACID to that. I found that it would sync with actual frame rates from about 1/2 to 2 times the rate specified. Unfortunately, as you might expect, the pitch of the played back material depends on the actual rate of the quarter frame messages. It's also worth noting that ACID doesn't sync instantly to MTC, so it takes some small but noticeable amount of time to start playing after you start generating MTC (this is true even with properly timed MTC messages). So if you're inclined to do some experimentation and coding you could get a copy of keykit, which can receive MIDI clock, and use it to generate MTC. I've got some code to generate MTC that you're welcome to (hacked together test code). You can get keykit from http://nosuch.com/keykit/. It's available as binaries for Windows, Linux, and Mac (v6 only), and as source. Version 6 only supports a single input port and a single output port. Version 7 supports multiple of both. -daveh -------------- Dave Hastings dhastings@earthlink.net "An intellectual snob is someone who can listen to the William Tell Overture and not think of the Lone Ranger." - Dan Rather From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 13:59:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20280; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 13:57:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 13:57:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011009104436.049aa7f0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 10:53:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: stereo delay In-Reply-To: References: <20011009083233.12439.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com usually people do this by going directly into overdub from record, and then fading out their sound. It gives much smoother drones. (just like with using a delay, actually, since the delay input stays open, except you can define the loop length on the fly with a looper.) Repeater unfortunately doesn't allow you to do this. You have to use work-arounds like recording a blank loop first, then starting your loop by overdubbing onto that. On other loopers you can go directly into Overdub from record. You might look for one of the Korg DL8000R stereo delays, that was a stereo delay with 5 seconds per side, or 10 seconds mono. Out of production now, so maybe they are cheap used. Some reviews on the Looper's Delight page for it: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/korgDL8000R/korgDL8000R.html kim At 09:00 AM 10/9/2001, you wrote: >I own a repeater and do ambient loops all the time. I'm not sure what >"bump" you're talking about. Are you looking for a perfect drone? I >can't imagine that's possible. Zerocrossing issues will always trip you >up. Why not use a volume pedal to smooth out the start of loop? >Sprinkle liberally with reverb, and you'll have a pretty "bump" free loop. > >Mark Sottilaro > >On Tuesday, October 9, 2001, at 01:32 AM, John Tidwell wrote: > >>You're probably looking for something with stereo >>ins & outs, but...... >> >>The Digitech 2120 has a mono in & stereo outs. It >>would allow you to have two 10 sec delays in parallel. >> >>John >> >> >>--- Simeon Harris wrote: >>> >>>i sold my two jammans to buy a repeater, but at the >>>moment it's not cutting >>>the mustard with respect to ambient loops, because >>>of the "bump" problem on >>>the loop boundary - so i was thinking about getting >>>some sort of delay >>>device, so i can carry on making my ambient loops. >>>what i need is actually a very simple device - two >>>12 second delays in >>>parallel, but there doesn't seem to be anything out >>>there that will do the >>>job in a rack unit - i could get two echoplexes, or >>>try and find another two >>>jammans, or use two of the new line 6 echo pros, or >>>use two tc electronic >>>d-two's, but they will all cost me masses of wedge! >>> >>>can anybody think of a cheaper option, or know where >>>i could get something >>>made, that's not going to cost me an arm and a leg - >>>it's only a delay unit, >>>after all! >>> >>>cheers, >>> >>>sim >>> >>> >>>This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If >>>you have received >>>it in error, please delete it from your system, do >>>not use or disclose >>>the information in any way, and notify me >>>immediately. The contents of >>>this message may contain personal views which are >>>not the views of the >>>BBC, unless specifically stated. >> >> >>===== >>John Tidwell >> >> >> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just >>$8.95/month. >>http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 14:33:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21936; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 14:32:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 14:32:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011009110901.03b2c008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 11:24:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: stereo delay In-Reply-To: <003901c150d0$e9becda0$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:44 AM 10/9/2001, Eric Williamson wrote: > >jammans, or use two of the new line 6 echo pros, or use two tc electronic > >no, you couldn't > >remember ... > >NO SYNC!!! well, he did have the EDP on that list too, and of course you can sync multiple EDP's together with the BrotherSync, which is sample accurate. >good luck. my money's on the 'peater OS upgrade. I'm fairly certain Electrix already said they would not be fixing this "Record directly into Overdub" issue in the upgrade. Repeater also has a problem of an annoying bump at the startpoint of the loop even when you just overdub a sustained sound across that point, say starting at beat 3 and through to beat 2 over the downbeat. It's a little pop right on the downbeat. I think that is what the original poster was talking about. I don't think they've commented on whether they will be fixing that. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 14:34:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21939; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 14:32:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 14:32:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001b01c150c1$9aa99600$87d91f3e@snowmonster> References: <001b01c150c1$9aa99600$87d91f3e@snowmonster> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 15:30:45 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: edp sounds 'glitchy' Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4Qh7OD.A.IVF.hJ0w7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hi i got my EDP the other day after years of waiting (i found out >about them as soon as they became hard to get) >On the whole i love it however i have noticed this 'problem' >If i record an ebow drone at a constant pitch and volume when i hit >record again (to start the loop) a glitch' is inserted at this point >Why is this ? >David > >one less than none >http://www.onelessthannone.co.uk it seems you load it with almost a sinoidal sound, right? The less complex the sound is, the more a cross fade appears. If the wave at the beginning and at the end of the loop is the same, probability wants that its not in phase, so some subtraction/addition is impossible to avoid and sticks out of the totally even rest. If you go on overdubbing (Using Record-Overdub, instead of Record-Record), the sound becomes richer and the glitch will disappear! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 14:37:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22223; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 14:35:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 14:35:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011009112947.02025e50@mail.mindspring.com> X-Files: The truth is out there. Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 11:30:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Stereo A/B-A+B Switch Boxes In-Reply-To: References: <20011009122112.K4026@over.react.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I second that recommendation. They occassionally show up on eBay. At 12:38 PM 2001/10/09 -0400, monk wrote: >i'd recommend the (now out of business) Uptown Flash unit. it is noiseless, >very high quality, very midi adressable, and uses very fast crossfades to >eliminate pops on switching...it is capable of switching between four sets >of stereo pairs. it can also be run by a proprietary footwitch. i've seen >them used for about $150. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 14:41:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22222; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 14:35:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 14:35:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.70] From: "g716" To: Subject: RE: stereo delay Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 11:34:28 -0700 Message-ID: <8D25F244B8274141B5D313CA4823F39C040887E7@red-msg-06.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <8D25F244B8274141B5D313CA4823F39C04B6B6F9@red-msg-06.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2001 18:34:29.0341 (UTC) FILETIME=[07ED30D0:01C150F1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This may seem obvious, but if it's 12 seconds you want, record a blank 12 second loop on the repeater, then go into overdub mode and you should be able to avoid the bump issue altogether. Yes, recording 12 seconds of dead space in a live performance setting might not be convenient. -----Original Message----- From: Simeon Harris [mailto:simeon.harris@bbc.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 1:16 AM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: stereo delay i sold my two jammans to buy a repeater, but at the moment it's not cutting the mustard with respect to ambient loops, because of the "bump" problem on the loop boundary - so i was thinking about getting some sort of delay device, so i can carry on making my ambient loops. what i need is actually a very simple device - two 12 second delays in parallel, but there doesn't seem to be anything out there that will do the job in a rack unit - i could get two echoplexes, or try and find another two jammans, or use two of the new line 6 echo pros, or use two tc electronic d-two's, but they will all cost me masses of wedge! can anybody think of a cheaper option, or know where i could get something made, that's not going to cost me an arm and a leg - it's only a delay unit, after all! cheers, sim This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC, unless specifically stated. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 15:51:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25448; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 15:50:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 15:50:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.83] From: "Greg S" To: Subject: RE: Peavey PC-1600x in a rack case? Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 12:48:42 -0700 Message-ID: <8D25F244B8274141B5D313CA4823F39C040887E9@red-msg-06.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8D25F244B8274141B5D313CA4823F39C04B6B6F4@red-msg-06.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2001 19:48:46.0395 (UTC) FILETIME=[6889A8B0:01C150FB] Resent-Message-ID: <13Q2BD.A.SMG.9S1w7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does Willy have the specs on how to do the Pedal conversion for the 1600x? -----Original Message----- From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 9:27 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Peavey PC-1600x in a rack case? >I would like to put my PC-1600x on a sliding rack >shelf. So far the only one I've found with the proper >shelf width is the heavy duty one from Middle >Atlantic. > >Aside from the cost($79), my only gripe with this >option is that the shelf alone takes up over one rack >space. > >I'm wondering if any of you PC-1600x users have come >up with something better. I recently met Willy Strehler, an important contributor to the loop delay in terms of sync and crazy live guitar noise maker and studio owner, and I took a picture of his PC 1600 with a multicore and 16 (!) controller pedals, arranged in a box in two rows. He sais its the only solution to improvise dynamic complex music... http://Matthias.Grob.org/pMusEng/loopdev.htm look for Willy and his equipment link. You can also find a picture of our loved Claude Voit in his garage. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 16:27:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26966; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 16:26:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 16:26:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <16c.2205d83.28f4b731@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 16:25:21 EDT Subject: Re: Hairdos and Attitudes; Stig as guitarist To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_16c.2205d83.28f4b731_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_16c.2205d83.28f4b731_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/9/01 12:42:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com writes: > elaborate please.....m --part1_16c.2205d83.28f4b731_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/9/01 12:42:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com writes:


and stop playing guitar, which was unsatisfying for me.


elaborate please.....m --part1_16c.2205d83.28f4b731_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 16:50:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27942; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 16:49:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 16:49:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D007420E@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Hairdos and Attitudes; Stig as guitarist Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 16:30:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C15101.368668C0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C15101.368668C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ** i'm a bass player, wanted to play bass. played guitar in les' band, but was not satisfied . . . wanted to play bass. so it was time for me to go. pretty simple really. no slam on guitarists . . . some of my best friends are guitarists ;-) stig elaborate please.....m ------_=_NextPart_001_01C15101.368668C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
** i'm a bass player, wanted to play bass. played guitar in les' band, but was not satisfied . . . wanted to play bass. so it was time for me to go.
 
pretty simple really. no slam on guitarists . . . some of my best friends are guitarists  ;-)
 
stig
 


elaborate please.....m
------_=_NextPart_001_01C15101.368668C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 16:56:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28340; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 16:55:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 16:55:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <6357503.1002660876012.JavaMail.imail@goochy.excite.com> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 13:54:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Burke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Next! DJS-24 Software Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.24.163.208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I recently bought a Next! DJS-24 Sampler and I was wondering if anybody out there who ones one has the free software upgrade that the manual mentions. Jim _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 18:56:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01681; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 18:49:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 18:49:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BC37ECD.A6B800C0@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 16:14:12 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 10 Favorite Improvisers Thread References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00741FA@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com alright, my ten: john coltrane miles davis wayne shorter bill frisell tal farlow egberto gismonti wes montgomery pat martino charlie parker tom verlaine and on deck: neal cassady nels cline robert fripp fred frith jerry garcia sterling morrison ken nordine marc ribot zoot horn rollo (what van vliet allowed) mike watt but there's so many more... lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 19:02:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02129; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 19:01:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 19:01:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005b01c1510d$e5c4f700$0e0aa8c0@den> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <003901c150d0$e9becda0$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: stereo delay Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 18:01:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <0I0TDD.A.Gh.uG4w7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I remember the post that said that the (now shipping) Line 6 Echo Pro would not have MIDI sync capability... But when I go to the Line 6 website, and look at the feature list for the Echo Pro, I see that it DOES say it can sync to MIDI... "Complete MIDI controllability, including MIDI mapping and lock to MIDI clock" http://www.line6.com/Main/The_Buzz/Hot_News/StudioModelerRollout/EchoPro/Ech oProShips.htm Can someone reconcile these? Is Line 6 fibbing on their website about the Echo Pro? Is it only delay time on the traditional delays that can lock to MIDI clock, or can the looper do it to? Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Williamson To: Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 10:44 AM Subject: Re: stereo delay > >jammans, or use two of the new line 6 echo pros, or use two tc electronic > > no, you couldn't > > remember ... > > NO SYNC!!! > > AAARRRGHHHHHH!!!!! > > good luck. my money's on the 'peater OS upgrade. > > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 19:03:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02184; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 19:02:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 19:02:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 18:01:42 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: 10 Favorite Improvisers Thread To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <015201c15116$5cb10540$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00741FA@mitorexch01.maritz.com> <3BC37ECD.A6B800C0@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > ken nordine the voice guy? word jazz? where have you heard him do improv? i sure would be interested in hearing that... p.s. your "reply to" address is set... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 19:10:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02602; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 19:09:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 19:09:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BC3838F.122A9EB4@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 16:09:03 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: stereo delay References: <003901c150d0$e9becda0$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> <005b01c1510d$e5c4f700$0e0aa8c0@den> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Unless I understood wrong, the delays would midi synch, but not the loop functions. Sad, but true. Doug Cox wrote: > I remember the post that said that the (now shipping) Line 6 Echo Pro would > not have MIDI sync capability... > > But when I go to the Line 6 website, and look at the feature list for the > Echo Pro, I see that it DOES say it can sync to MIDI... > "Complete MIDI controllability, including MIDI mapping and lock to MIDI > clock" > http://www.line6.com/Main/The_Buzz/Hot_News/StudioModelerRollout/EchoPro/Ech > oProShips.htm > > Can someone reconcile these? Is Line 6 fibbing on their website about the > Echo Pro? Is it only delay time on the traditional delays that can lock to > MIDI clock, or can the looper do it to? > > Doug > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Eric Williamson > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 10:44 AM > Subject: Re: stereo delay > > > >jammans, or use two of the new line 6 echo pros, or use two tc electronic > > > > no, you couldn't > > > > remember ... > > > > NO SYNC!!! > > > > AAARRRGHHHHHH!!!!! > > > > good luck. my money's on the 'peater OS upgrade. > > > > Eric Williamson > > www.suitandtieguy.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 19:21:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03024; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 19:19:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 19:19:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 19:18:34 -0400 From: David Kenzik To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Stereo A/B-A+B Switch Boxes Message-ID: <20011009191834.N4026@over.react.net> References: <20011009122112.K4026@over.react.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011009122112.K4026@over.react.net>; from david@kenzik.com on Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 12:21:12PM -0400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David Kenzik said... > Can anyone recommend a TRS switchbox? I'd rather purchase something, but > might have to resort to building it myself. > Any suggestions? I talked to a local music dealer who've I dealt with for years (Greg @ Buddy Roger's for anyone in Cincinnati), and he told me that Whirlwind's Selector is TRS A/B-A+B (confirmed from a Whirlwind tech): http://www.whirlwindusa.com/selec.html They ordered me one, and I'll let the group know how/if it works. I'm also keeping an eye out for a used Uptown Flash unit. -- David S. Kenzik david@kenzik.com - http://kenzik.com Original Music - http://kenzik.com/music From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 19:30:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03530; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 19:29:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 19:29:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <015201c15116$5cb10540$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00741FA@mitorexch01.maritz.com> <3BC37ECD.A6B800C0@earthlink.net> <015201c15116$5cb10540$080210ac@jpalmer> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 16:26:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: 10 Favorite Improvisers Thread Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com from what i know, nordine's 'stories' were just rough ideas and sketches in his head. while he was recording, he was improvising. awesome stuff. and very influential on joe frank, who does cool stuff too (if you like it a bit on the darker side). joe frank episodes can be heard on www.kcrw.com. best, rich > > ken nordine > >the voice guy? >word jazz? >where have you heard him do improv? >i sure would be interested in hearing that... > > >p.s. your "reply to" address is set... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 22:10:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14982; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 22:07:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 22:07:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BC3AD04.B6D83B4D@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 19:06:08 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 10 Favorite Improvisers Thread References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00741FA@mitorexch01.maritz.com> <3BC37ECD.A6B800C0@earthlink.net> <015201c15116$5cb10540$080210ac@jpalmer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com rich wrote: > from what i know, nordine's 'stories' were just rough ideas and > sketches in his head. while he was recording, he was improvising. > > awesome stuff. and very influential on joe frank, who does cool > stuff too (if you like it a bit on the darker side). > > joe frank episodes can be heard on www.kcrw.com. > > best, > > rich > > > > ken nordine > > > >the voice guy? > >word jazz? > >where have you heard him do improv? > >i sure would be interested in hearing that... > > > > > >p.s. your "reply to" address is set... re nordine, this is what i understood, too. my first intro to him (aside from, was it levi strauss commercials? was a little sketch he did called "nothing's boy" on an h. p. lovecraft album in the late sixties. just trivia, folks). speaking of darker, a slightly different shade than joe frank (whom i also dig) would be local (venice, ca) hero barry yourgrau. pretty twisted, but dunno if any of it's improv... check "wearing dad's head" or "a man jumps out of a plane" (peregrine books) for starters...surreal, ineffable, sweetly disturbing... ps anyone know how to fix that "reply to" stuff in netscape? (you can email me privately :-) lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 22:30:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20238; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 22:26:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 22:26:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <008301c15040$f2c4fe50$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00741FA@mitorexch01.maritz.com> <008301c15040$f2c4fe50$080210ac@jpalmer> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 23:26:37 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: 10 Favorite Improvisers Thread Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Re: 10 Favorite Improvisers Thread
>addtionally, there three people who i've only heard about being amazing improvisers,
>but whose music has meant a lot to me, that i wish i could have heard improvising:
>bach
>mozart
>beethoven
excellent point.
people tend to forget that in the past, art music performers tended to be good improvisers.  today, kids are not usually taught improv in school...

right. There are still quite a lot of church organ players that can freak out on their instruments!

I should also mention:

Andreas Vollenweider and his friends
Hans Vollenweider (his Father, was the organist of the biggest church in Zuerich)

John Lee + Gary Brown
I have seen them in '82 with two guitarist squeezing the air to the last drop, they could not even believe it themselves, this concert changed my life.
The bass drum did not make it to the end...

Hermeto Pascoal Band
For many years, they play together every day for 6-8 hours together, so they improvise together as one!

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         ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 22:31:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20315; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 22:28:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 22:28:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <8D25F244B8274141B5D313CA4823F39C040887E9@red-msg-06.redmond.corp.microsof t.com> References: <8D25F244B8274141B5D313CA4823F39C040887E9@red-msg-06.redmond.corp.microsof t.com> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 23:28:15 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: Peavey PC-1600x in a rack case? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Does Willy have the specs on how to do the Pedal conversion for the >1600x? > When I said he put the pedals in parallel with the faders, I meant that they have the top end (probably +5V), the bottom end (probably ground) all together and then each slider contact (middle) connected to the slider contact of the corresponding fader... its somehow too simple to explain. If you are not familiar with electronics, search the help of some hobbyist and he will understand "parallel" :-) As mentioned, this method is not very noble, but works. I bought a 1600 for the studio and a spare part main pcb for it to build it into my new fader pedal board. There I will not have any display, but create the setups on the studio unit and then dump them to the pedal unit. I hope I will finally have some time to do this, when the #$^% upgrade is perfect... ;-) > >>I would like to put my PC-1600x on a sliding rack >>shelf. So far the only one I've found with the proper >>shelf width is the heavy duty one from Middle >>Atlantic. >> >>Aside from the cost($79), my only gripe with this >>option is that the shelf alone takes up over one rack >>space. >> >>I'm wondering if any of you PC-1600x users have come >>up with something better. > >I recently met Willy Strehler, an important contributor to the loop >delay in terms of sync and crazy live guitar noise maker and studio >owner, and I took a picture of his PC 1600 with a multicore and 16 >(!) controller pedals, arranged in a box in two rows. He sais its the >only solution to improvise dynamic complex music... >http://Matthias.Grob.org/pMusEng/loopdev.htm >look for Willy and his equipment link. >You can also find a picture of our loved Claude Voit in his garage. >-- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 22:32:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20407; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 22:29:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 22:29:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006201c15132$f343b540$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Eric Williamson" From: "Eric Williamson" To: Subject: Re: stereo delay Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 21:26:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> Can someone reconcile these? Is Line 6 fibbing on their website about the >> Echo Pro? Is it only delay time on the traditional delays that can lock to >> MIDI clock, or can the looper do it to? i believe they are totally fibbing .... i was told directly and without tact that they do not feel that the number of people who would want sync on loop time did not justify the programming expense. that the looper was "just for fun" and that there was "no reason" for it to have ANY SYNCABILITY WHATSOEVER!!! it took me weeks to get someone on the phone to talk about this, and this anticlimactic display of carelessness was rather frustrating at the time. sharp contrast to the flint/grob/electrix way of things, innit? i might be buying a repeater as soon as i get the money from this Hammond organ sale, but it would be a 'plex if gibson would ever give kim and matthias some real hardware and r&d budget for their product. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 23:28:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22927; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 23:25:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 23:25:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011009144703.04918e00@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 20:22:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: stereo delay In-Reply-To: <8D25F244B8274141B5D313CA4823F39C040887E7@red-msg-06.redmon d.corp.microsoft.com> References: <8D25F244B8274141B5D313CA4823F39C04B6B6F9@red-msg-06.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:34 AM 10/9/2001, g716 wrote: >This may seem obvious, but if it's 12 seconds you want, record a blank >12 second loop on the repeater, then go into overdub mode and you should >be able to avoid the bump issue altogether. > >Yes, recording 12 seconds of dead space in a live performance setting >might not be convenient. I thought that was the solution too, until I tried it today. It doesn't help. When you overdub a sustained sound over the startpoint boundary of the loop the repeater gets a pop in the loop at that point. This is after you have recorded the loop and you are just overdubbing sustained sounds across the loop startpoint when this pop happens. I guess this is the "bump issue" people are talking about. Kind of a strange problem really, I guess it might have something to do with the padding they add before and after the loop in memory. Like you, I first thought Simeon below and others meant a different problem, where you get a little noise in the initial recording at the startpoint caused by the waveform at the end of the loop not matching exactly to the waveform at the beginning. Both the repeater and the edp deal with this by using crossfade techniques, which improve it a lot but are not always perfect. (other loopers don't do anything, so you get little pops.) that can usually be further improved by the technique of going directly into overdub from record as is easy to do on the edp. Since repeater doesn't have the ability to do that direct into overdub function, I figured that was what people were having trouble with. Recording a blank loop first and then starting your loop with overdub would be a workaround for that (although an awkward one), but now I see that doesn't work either. kim >-----Original Message----- >From: Simeon Harris [mailto:simeon.harris@bbc.co.uk] >Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 1:16 AM >To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' >Subject: stereo delay > > > >i sold my two jammans to buy a repeater, but at the moment it's not >cutting the mustard with respect to ambient loops, because of the "bump" >problem on the loop boundary - so i was thinking about getting some sort >of delay device, so i can carry on making my ambient loops. what i need >is actually a very simple device - two 12 second delays in parallel, but >there doesn't seem to be anything out there that will do the job in a >rack unit - i could get two echoplexes, or try and find another two >jammans, or use two of the new line 6 echo pros, or use two tc >electronic d-two's, but they will all cost me masses of wedge! > >can anybody think of a cheaper option, or know where i could get >something made, that's not going to cost me an arm and a leg - it's only >a delay unit, after all! > >cheers, > >sim > > >This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received >it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose >the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of >this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the >BBC, unless specifically stated. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 9 23:35:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23293; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 23:32:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 23:32:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011009202805.00a04518@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 20:29:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: stereo delay In-Reply-To: <006201c15132$f343b540$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:26 PM 10/9/2001, Eric Williamson wrote: >sharp contrast to the flint/grob/electrix way of things, innit? i might be >buying a repeater as soon as i get the money from this Hammond organ sale, but >it would be a 'plex if gibson would ever give kim and matthias some real >hardware and r&d budget for their product. R&D budgets in the future require sales in the present..... thanks for your support, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 01:07:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA26864; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 01:00:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 01:00:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c15147$de361a20$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Eric Williamson" From: "Eric Williamson" To: Subject: Re: stereo delay Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 23:56:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >R&D budgets in the future require sales in the present..... > >thanks for your support, the 2 'Plexes i bought new (for a total of $1500 and a year of waiting) were the best compositional tools i've used ... and i do occasionally regret selling them. but, sales in the present require a price point which is at least competetive. if the 'plex was only 3 bills, no one would be buying 'rangs 'peaters 'el-fours dee2s or _any_ of them ... they all have _stupid_ hardware problems. gibson would have the market totally locked down and cornered and be raking it in, even at the lower price point. unfortunately they still seem stuck in the seventies. it's unreasonable to stick an $1150 (AND CLIMBING!!!) list price on a delay that's 16-bit and 41 khz in the year 2001. it doesn't matter to me if it _does_ have the best UI and software in the world for it. yeah with group buys and whatnot it's slightly more affordable, but you shouldn't need to undertake such activities to have the opportunity to pay FULL RETAIL IN 1996 price for a 'plex in 2001. remember, while the price of nearly every other tool in the industry has gone down in the past decade, the echoplex price continues to rise. there was a time when the echoplex listed at $400 or $500. i've never seen a company act with such market stupidity as gibson. i know no one on this list has anything to do with gibson's pricing. please, kim, don't take my semi-public comments as any kind of personal critisicm. i'm just voicing my concern, one no one seems to ever address. i really do feel sorry for you and matthias, for this predicament your baby is in, but not sorry enough to accrue major debt buying into it again. ... i'm going to go make some RDS loops now ... Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 01:20:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA27688; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 01:19:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 01:19:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011010051919.7267.qmail@web12004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 22:19:19 -0700 (PDT) From: philip raath Subject: Re: top 10 improvisers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200110100231.WAA20589@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com in no particular order: and this top 10 is only for today u srinivas/michael brook (as a duo) john coltrane mccoy tyner nusrat fateh ali khan the roots as a band ?uestlove on his own bobby mcferrin dt MONK lisa gerrard kim, damn dude... i thought you were kidding about yer hair. it's looks quite cool, just not what i expected, i reckon. have fun, phil ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 01:32:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28912; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 01:31:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 01:31:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c1514c$aa5758e0$0200a8c0@wienerdog> Reply-To: "Funkay" From: "Funkay" To: References: <20011010051919.7267.qmail@web12004.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: top 10 improvisers Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 22:30:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yet another list: --- John Coltrane Pat metheny Branford Marsalis Jon Brion Billy Strayhorn Joe Henderson Jimi Hendrix Bjork Bela Fleck John Medeski (and MMW as a group) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 05:29:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA06826; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 05:27:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 05:27:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Andy Ewen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: stereo delay Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 04:26:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Someone on the list does have a little influence on Gibson's pricing structure and I'm doing everything I can to ensure that when the CE-approved Echoplex is ready for sale in the UK and Europe, it will be substantially cheaper than the current US retail. Unfortunately, we don't have much sway in the price structure for US retail and only make a very small margin when shipping inter-company from Trace to Gibson. We have, however, been given sole distribution rights for the UK and Europe, which means we can sell direct to customers in the UK and to many of the shops in Germany and the growing number of European countries that we now deal direct with, rather than the old methods of selling to large distribution companies. This effectively removes several layers of mark-up, which we will pass on to the customer. This decision by Gibson to allow us to do this is unprecedented and we are happy to have this opportunity to offer the EDP to a far wider audience by reducing the price. This in turn will bring down our manufactured cost due to economies of scale and you will see the Echoplex price in the US reduced over time. It is however, dangerous for me to even make these comments, as it could have impact on current sales, but if the consensus of opinion is that sales could improve in the US if prices were reduced, Gibson may listen and cut their margins back to the bone to get this excellent product out to those who desperately want one. I am also looking at all of the component prices for the Echoplex and buying parts in much more aggressively. A lot of cost has been added to get the CE approvals; large screening cans for the processors, high-quality filters on all inputs and outputs, a filtered mains inlet etc. etc., but we are determined to make savings in other areas to compensate for the improvements. I don't think you can blame the US retail price on Gibson's 'market stupidity'. The reason the Echoplex is at the price it is now, is that it is made in the UK which has some of the highest manufacturing costs in the entire world, and then shipped across the Atlantic. This has a huge bearing on the eventual retail price, and it is not over-inflated, it follows the same pricing structure as all Gibson products sold in the US. When your manufactured costs are so high, the retail price reflects this. I am determined to bring the manufactured price down and this will eventually filter through to the US street price. I will just add, that there are no added mark-ups in the price of the EDP to fund future R&D work, which is how some people may interpret some of the comments made. My priority for the foreseeable future is to get a CE approved Echoplex out in the market place at a reasonable price and I am now very close to that goal. I will post more information when I have firm news. If anyone has any questions or comments, feel free to mail me off-list, Andy Ewen, Trace Elliot Design Dept. -----Original Message----- From: Eric Williamson [mailto:erwill@suitandtieguy.com] Sent: 10 October 2001 05:56 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: stereo delay >R&D budgets in the future require sales in the present..... > >thanks for your support, the 2 'Plexes i bought new (for a total of $1500 and a year of waiting) were the best compositional tools i've used ... and i do occasionally regret selling them. but, sales in the present require a price point which is at least competetive. if the 'plex was only 3 bills, no one would be buying 'rangs 'peaters 'el-fours dee2s or _any_ of them ... they all have _stupid_ hardware problems. gibson would have the market totally locked down and cornered and be raking it in, even at the lower price point. unfortunately they still seem stuck in the seventies. it's unreasonable to stick an $1150 (AND CLIMBING!!!) list price on a delay that's 16-bit and 41 khz in the year 2001. it doesn't matter to me if it _does_ have the best UI and software in the world for it. yeah with group buys and whatnot it's slightly more affordable, but you shouldn't need to undertake such activities to have the opportunity to pay FULL RETAIL IN 1996 price for a 'plex in 2001. remember, while the price of nearly every other tool in the industry has gone down in the past decade, the echoplex price continues to rise. there was a time when the echoplex listed at $400 or $500. i've never seen a company act with such market stupidity as gibson. i know no one on this list has anything to do with gibson's pricing. please, kim, don't take my semi-public comments as any kind of personal critisicm. i'm just voicing my concern, one no one seems to ever address. i really do feel sorry for you and matthias, for this predicament your baby is in, but not sorry enough to accrue major debt buying into it again. ... i'm going to go make some RDS loops now ... Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 06:32:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA10104; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 06:31:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 06:31:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7D4D951568BED111B4C900805FF5E50D09ECA687@w12tcxu03.tv.bbc.co.uk> From: Simeon Harris To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: stereo delay Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:30:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <2U-pbC.A.PcC.ENCx7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks for the input chaps - just wanted to clear up a couple of things - as kim has found out, recording an empty loop on the repeater and overdubbing onto it, does not solve the bump problem (a small drop-out, or glitch on the first downbeat) - even when recording without any sync (and there's no padding when in user sync mode) and even when doing lots of overdubs... i was using the jammans to create morphing loops that change over time, by setting them up in delay mode (about 10 secs of delay, about 10 repeats) and swelling in sounds with lots of delay and reverb, just like fripp and torn do...they're not really "loops" per se and they're not synced to anything, because they are ambient "tempoless" creations...(the two jammans are in parallel, cos they are mono devices and one treats the left channel and one the right channel, so the stereo image is maintained as they are post fx)... there are plenty of mono delay devices around, but not many of them have a delay time of 10 seconds and the ones that do are either pedals, or horrendously expensive rack units which do loads of other stuff as well - i just need some delay which i will leave set and then just feed them with some input as required during a performance... i think it's strange that some products will give you 30 seconds of mono delay, when 15 seconds of stereo delay would actually be more useful to some people... i'll just have to find another pair of jammans somewhere i guess... cheers, sim This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC, unless specifically stated. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 06:52:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA10766; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 06:51:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 06:51:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c15179$7f64f520$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <7D4D951568BED111B4C900805FF5E50D09ECA687@w12tcxu03.tv.bbc.co.uk> Subject: Re: stereo delay Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:51:15 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <0SB7iB.A.AoC.pgCx7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simeon Harris" To: Sent: 10 October 2001 11:30 AM Subject: stereo delay > > thanks for the input chaps - just wanted to clear up a couple of things - as > kim has found out, recording an empty loop on the repeater and overdubbing > onto it, does not solve the bump problem (a small drop-out, or glitch on the > first downbeat) - even when recording without any sync (and there's no > padding when in user sync mode) and even when doing lots of overdubs... > > i was using the jammans to create morphing loops that change over time, by > setting them up in delay mode (about 10 secs of delay, about 10 repeats) and > swelling in sounds with lots of delay and reverb, just like fripp and torn > do...they're not really "loops" per se and they're not synced to anything, > because they are ambient "tempoless" creations...(the two jammans are in > parallel, cos they are mono devices and one treats the left channel and one > the right channel, so the stereo image is maintained as they are post fx)... > > there are plenty of mono delay devices around, but not many of them have a > delay time of 10 seconds and the ones that do are either pedals, or > horrendously expensive rack units which do loads of other stuff as well - i > just need some delay which i will leave set and then just feed them with > some input as required during a performance... > > i think it's strange that some products will give you 30 seconds of mono > delay, when 15 seconds of stereo delay would actually be more useful to some > people... > > i'll just have to find another pair of jammans somewhere i guess... I am reminded of waaay back in the early PC days, a friend of mine jacked a 640kb RAM PC - remember those? - so it would use additional 64kb memory segments and effectively increase it to an 896KB machine. He did it by making a new prom chip that had an altered address list to address the new segments, in effect, and using a small assember routine to run that addressed the new table. In conjunction with the post above, I wonder if you guys could add loop time/RAM if you had a modified chip on that level? Just a morning thought. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.live365.com/stations/218194 * EarthLight Online / Live! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 08:08:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA15143; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:07:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:07:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: stereo delay Message-ID: <1002715603.3bc439d3eb5bc@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:06:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Williamson References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 216.166.195.90 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thank you for listening ... i'm glad someone realises what a problem this is. all arguments about os, interface, audio quality etc seem moot to me when the cost issue is figured into things. for example, my girlfriend wanted a looper. she thought about the DL4 and the Akai Headrush, then i pointed out the 'plex and the boomerang. the echoplex lists for 1150, and retails for 800. the boomerang lists for like 600 or 700, but she was able to get one new for 340 usd. the boomerang sounds like poopy, but it's got a useable interface, it's built better than most of 'em, and it's only 50 bucks more than the Line6 pedal. she scoffed at the idea of paying $900 (including footcontroller) for a looper ... her '79 marshall stack and fender jaguar together didn't cost that much! i did not realise it was now a uk-made product. when there's a 300 dollar 'plex ... i'll be first in line with an order for two, don't worry. i have no idea if the current echoplex will ever reach that price point, and i don't expect (or ask) you to speculate any further than you have. thanks, Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 08:12:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA15506; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:11:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:11:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: faisalmoro@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <7D4D951568BED111B4C900805FF5E50D09ECA687@w12tcxu03.tv.bbc.co.uk> References: <7D4D951568BED111B4C900805FF5E50D09ECA687@w12tcxu03.tv.bbc.co.uk> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:14:24 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: faisal moro Subject: improving JamMan audio quality? (WAS - stereo delay) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <_H26x.A.-xD.5qDx7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >i'll just have to find another pair of jammans somewhere i guess... Well, let's say that a TC 2290 is the best delay unit we could dream, but it it "a little" expensive. Besides, it is a mono unit (i own 2 JamMan units, but 2 expanded 2290 are really far to come), and it hasn't the built in possiblity to sync to MIDi clock. So, let's consider the JamMan (as everyone who loves loops HAS to love JamMan i think). Here the problem is easy to find. The audio quality is horrible. If i remember right, there were some postings abuot replacing the AD/DA converters of the JamMan, so to increase its frequency response and its dynamic range. Here comes my question. Is it "easy" to achieve such a result? Is there the possibiliy to replace that converters? Is there the possibility to add digital (even SPDIF is OK) in and outs? Is there some material abut this, or does someone has tried anything? Thanks in advance. Doei Faisal From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 10:01:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA21085; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:59:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:59:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 06:58:08 -0700 Subject: Re: improving JamMan audio quality? (WAS - stereo delay) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: kevin cooney To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Faisal: The Jamman sounds great! The highs are rolled off a bit but who told you it sounds horrible? Best, Kevin On Wednesday, October 10, 2001, at 05:14 AM, faisal moro wrote: >> i'll just have to find another pair of jammans somewhere i guess... > > Well, let's say that a TC 2290 is the best delay unit we could dream, > but it it "a little" expensive. Besides, it is a mono unit (i own 2 > JamMan units, but 2 expanded 2290 are really far to come), and it > hasn't the built in possiblity to sync to MIDi clock. > > So, let's consider the JamMan (as everyone who loves loops HAS to love > JamMan i think). > Here the problem is easy to find. > The audio quality is horrible. > If i remember right, there were some postings abuot replacing the AD/DA > converters of the JamMan, so to increase its frequency response and its > dynamic range. > Here comes my question. > Is it "easy" to achieve such a result? Is there the possibiliy to > replace that converters? Is there the possibility to add digital (even > SPDIF is OK) in and outs? > Is there some material abut this, or does someone has tried anything? > > Thanks in advance. > > Doei > Faisal > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 10:23:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22073; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:22:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:22:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: faisalmoro@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:25:19 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: faisal moro Subject: Re: improving JamMan audio quality? (WAS - stereo delay) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >The Jamman sounds great! The highs are rolled off a bit but who >told you it sounds horrible? Who told? 1 - the comparison between the original signal and the looped one. I'm talking about dynamic range more than high frequencies. 2 - the noise added to the loop as you have to increase the output level to balance it with the original one. 3 - the comparison between the D-Two output and the jamMan's one. 4 - the comparison between the 2290 output and the jamMan's one. Don't know about EDP and Repeater signal quality, but technical infos seems that it's better than JM. Don't worry anyway, i still love my JMs, just wondering if it's improvable. How much is the EDP retail price anyway? Doei Faisal From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 10:50:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23380; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:49:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:49:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:46:51 -0400 Subject: Re: Gigspam NYC From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200109250138.VAA14784@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3085555611_512244_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3085555611_512244_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I'll be performing a live film score at an art gallery in Soho Friday October 12 and 19. I'll be doing my improvised looping-electronica-raga-shamanistic kind of stuff to a film edited by gallery-owner Sam Israel, including some rare and wild excepts from some 1920s movies. Friday October 12 and October 19 8 P.M. (one set only) $7 Locus Media 594 Broadway (betwen Prince and Houston St.) Suite 1010 334-6424 --MS_Mac_OE_3085555611_512244_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Gigspam NYC I'll be performing a live film score at an art gallery in So= ho Friday October 12 and 19.

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 --MS_Mac_OE_3085555611_512244_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 11:02:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24918; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:59:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:59:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:58:13 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: stereo delay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006201c1519b$fc3161c0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011009202805.00a04518@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com good thing electrix didn't have this requirement... > At 07:26 PM 10/9/2001, Eric Williamson wrote: > >sharp contrast to the flint/grob/electrix way of things, innit? i might be > >buying a repeater as soon as i get the money from this Hammond organ sale, but > >it would be a 'plex if gibson would ever give kim and matthias some real > >hardware and r&d budget for their product. > > R&D budgets in the future require sales in the present..... > > thanks for your support, > kim > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 11:08:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25326; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:07:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:07:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:06:16 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: reply sometimes not to the list? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <008201c1519d$1bdc9200$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010930104544.0258dec0@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com can't you just have your server software overwrite this? would that be bad form? > Normally, the list server sets the "reply-to" field to equal the list > address for every post that is sent out. So you press reply to a post on LD > and it is addressed back to the list instead of the person who posted it. > However, if the original poster has the "reply-to" field set in their mail > program, the list server lets that override and doesn't change it to the > list address. So you press reply to that particular person's mail and it is > addressed back to the poster and not the list. So when you see this happen, > it is really because the person you are replying to has their mail program > set to add the "reply-to" header. It is rare for somebody to do this, and > usually there is no reason for them to do it. They may not even know, so > you might try asking that person to change the settings on their mail > program to not use "reply-to". > > kim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 11:13:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25327; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:07:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:07:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:06:27 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: top 10 improvisers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <008301c1519d$22d3dd70$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20011010051919.7267.qmail@web12004.mail.yahoo.com> <001a01c1514c$aa5758e0$0200a8c0@wienerdog> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com again i'm surprised... where can i hear bjork improvising? p.s. another "reply to" problem. > Yet another list: > --- > > John Coltrane > Pat metheny > Branford Marsalis > Jon Brion > Billy Strayhorn > Joe Henderson > Jimi Hendrix > Bjork > Bela Fleck > John Medeski (and MMW as a group) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 11:13:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25514; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:10:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:10:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Andy Ewen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: stereo delay Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:11:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com All manufacturers have this requirement if they want to stay in business past one product. Maybe you or someone who knows could give me a rough estimate on how much they think it would cost to develop a Repeater-Beater? -----Original Message----- From: jim palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] Sent: 10 October 2001 15:58 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: stereo delay good thing electrix didn't have this requirement... > At 07:26 PM 10/9/2001, Eric Williamson wrote: > >sharp contrast to the flint/grob/electrix way of things, innit? i might be > >buying a repeater as soon as i get the money from this Hammond organ sale, but > >it would be a 'plex if gibson would ever give kim and matthias some real > >hardware and r&d budget for their product. > > R&D budgets in the future require sales in the present..... > > thanks for your support, > kim > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 11:34:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26663; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:33:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:33:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:32:39 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: stereo delay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00fd01c151a0$cbd2c690$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com are you implying gibson has no current sales of anything? electrix most certainly had no current sales of the repeater while they were developing it... the edp is a "repeater-beater" already in some categories. i just think that updated hardware is called for. i imagine this will never happen, since you have just spent a lot getting CE-approval of the current hardware the software is great, btw. can't wait to try the new stuff... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Ewen" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 10:11 AM Subject: RE: stereo delay > All manufacturers have this requirement if they want to stay in business > past one product. > Maybe you or someone who knows could give me a rough estimate on how much > they think it would cost to develop a Repeater-Beater? > > -----Original Message----- > From: jim palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] > Sent: 10 October 2001 15:58 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: stereo delay > > > good thing electrix didn't have this requirement... > > > > At 07:26 PM 10/9/2001, Eric Williamson wrote: > > >sharp contrast to the flint/grob/electrix way of things, innit? i might > be > > >buying a repeater as soon as i get the money from this Hammond organ > sale, but > > >it would be a 'plex if gibson would ever give kim and matthias some real > > >hardware and r&d budget for their product. > > > > R&D budgets in the future require sales in the present..... > > > > thanks for your support, > > kim > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 11:39:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26950; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:37:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:37:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011010083152.049ae2d8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:34:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: reply sometimes not to the list? In-Reply-To: <008201c1519d$1bdc9200$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010930104544.0258dec0@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:06 AM 10/10/2001, jim palmer wrote: >can't you just have your server software overwrite this? I don't have time for rewriting mailing list software. >would that be bad form? yes, it would in fact. The list server defers to the original poster's header info intentionally. If people are cluelessly setting their reply-to header for no reason, they are the ones causing a problem not the list. kim > > Normally, the list server sets the "reply-to" field to equal the list > > address for every post that is sent out. So you press reply to a post > on LD > > and it is addressed back to the list instead of the person who posted it. > > However, if the original poster has the "reply-to" field set in their mail > > program, the list server lets that override and doesn't change it to the > > list address. So you press reply to that particular person's mail and > it is > > addressed back to the poster and not the list. So when you see this > happen, > > it is really because the person you are replying to has their mail program > > set to add the "reply-to" header. It is rare for somebody to do this, and > > usually there is no reason for them to do it. They may not even know, so > > you might try asking that person to change the settings on their mail > > program to not use "reply-to". > > > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 11:48:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27672; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:47:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:47:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Andy Ewen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: stereo delay Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:47:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <21ih4B.A.7vG.f1Gx7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This may happen, it's just that Gibson do not fund our R&D over here in the UK. It is solely left to us to make enough money with our current range of products to fund future projects. Once the CE model is out there selling in Europe, I will be speaking to the newly set up Gibson R&D dept over in LA to see if they are interested in developing an Echoplex 2 with Kim & Matthias's help. At such time, the input from LD will be invaluable; we could all put together wish lists for the product and the design could well have contributions from many people. This would be an exiting project; one based on actual requirements and ideas, not what the design team think the end user wants. This is a problem among many companies and often results in products which are good but could have been great. Here's to the future! Andy. PS, even though it's taken a lot of time to get the CE version to this stage, the cost represents only a fraction, (maybe 5%), of what new hardware would cost to develop. -----Original Message----- From: jim palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] Sent: 10 October 2001 16:33 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: stereo delay are you implying gibson has no current sales of anything? electrix most certainly had no current sales of the repeater while they were developing it... the edp is a "repeater-beater" already in some categories. i just think that updated hardware is called for. i imagine this will never happen, since you have just spent a lot getting CE-approval of the current hardware the software is great, btw. can't wait to try the new stuff... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Ewen" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 10:11 AM Subject: RE: stereo delay > All manufacturers have this requirement if they want to stay in business > past one product. > Maybe you or someone who knows could give me a rough estimate on how much > they think it would cost to develop a Repeater-Beater? > > -----Original Message----- > From: jim palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] > Sent: 10 October 2001 15:58 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: stereo delay > > > good thing electrix didn't have this requirement... > > > > At 07:26 PM 10/9/2001, Eric Williamson wrote: > > >sharp contrast to the flint/grob/electrix way of things, innit? i might > be > > >buying a repeater as soon as i get the money from this Hammond organ > sale, but > > >it would be a 'plex if gibson would ever give kim and matthias some real > > >hardware and r&d budget for their product. > > > > R&D budgets in the future require sales in the present..... > > > > thanks for your support, > > kim > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 11:59:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28405; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:57:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:57:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011010084919.04970eb0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:54:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: improving JamMan audio quality? (WAS - stereo delay) In-Reply-To: References: < <7D4D951568BED111B4C900805FF5E50D09ECA687@w12tcxu03.tv.bbc.co.uk> <7D4D951568BED111B4C900805FF5E50D09ECA687@w12tcxu03.tv.bbc.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:14 AM 10/10/2001, faisal moro wrote: >So, let's consider the JamMan (as everyone who loves loops HAS to love >JamMan i think). >Here the problem is easy to find. >The audio quality is horrible. >If i remember right, there were some postings abuot replacing the AD/DA >converters of the JamMan, so to increase its frequency response and its >dynamic range. >Here comes my question. >Is it "easy" to achieve such a result? Is there the possibiliy to replace >that converters? Is there the possibility to add digital (even SPDIF is >OK) in and outs? >Is there some material abut this, or does someone has tried anything? JamMan uses a fully custom type of ad/da conversion using mostly discrete parts, which is the ancient way to do digital audio. it doesn't use any standard protocol interface or anything like that. figuring out how to improve the convertors would be very difficult. it might be an interesting science project, but totally not worth the effort imo. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 12:05:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29692; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:59:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:59:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:00:43 -0700 Subject: Re: stereo delay Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <006201c15132$f343b540$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh man, I've totally stopped doing LSD, and I'm STILL hallusinating looping devices? Christ. They seemed so real to me. Mark Sottilaro PS: you're "reply to" is still set to your email address Eric. On Tuesday, October 9, 2001, at 07:26 PM, Eric Williamson wrote: > it would be a 'plex if gibson would ever give kim and matthias some real > hardware and r&d budget for their product. > > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 12:05:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29687; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:59:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:59:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:55:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: 10 Favorite Improvisers Thread Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4GoRd.A.r8G.tAHx7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com miles davis charlie parker jimi hendrix reuben gonzalez nusrat fateh ali khan oscar moore michael brook pete kember and jason pierce (spacemen 3 - dreamweapon, specifically) esquivel kruder and dorfmeister disclaimer: these are not strict 'improvisers', but hell, i just wanted to play along! haha. actually, alot of you said it was tough just to limit it to ten, and when it comes to improvisation, i would have a tough time just coming up with ten! i just appreciate the above folks for their sense of taking the notes and harmonic structures and ripping it all apart and reassembling it to make it their own. what you end up hearing, IMO, is just expression of 'them'. all of the above have their own kind of sonic grinder, i guess i would call it, where it doesn't matter what their playing, you know by the first few notes that it's them, and you sit back and marvel at their personal expression. does that make sense? in another life i wanna come back as oscar moore...that man just ripped. best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 12:08:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30339; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:06:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:06:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:07:34 -0700 Subject: Re: stereo delay Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011009202805.00a04518@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just out of curiosity, how many units a year does Gibson sell of the EDP in a year, world wide? My quess is Loopers in general aren't all that popular, but I'm a hermit. Mark On Tuesday, October 9, 2001, at 08:29 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > At 07:26 PM 10/9/2001, Eric Williamson wrote: >> sharp contrast to the flint/grob/electrix way of things, innit? i >> might be >> buying a repeater as soon as i get the money from this Hammond organ >> sale, but >> it would be a 'plex if gibson would ever give kim and matthias some >> real >> hardware and r&d budget for their product. > > R&D budgets in the future require sales in the present..... > > thanks for your support, > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 12:08:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30391; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:07:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:07:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011010085641.04925008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:04:26 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: stereo delay In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:11 AM 10/10/2001, Andy Ewen wrote: >All manufacturers have this requirement if they want to stay in business >past one product. >Maybe you or someone who knows could give me a rough estimate on how much >they think it would cost to develop a Repeater-Beater? that sounds like a fun game. It seems a lot of people here have very little concept of the economic realities involved in developing products for esoteric niches in the musical instrument industry. So why don't we play? those of you who like to jump up and down about this a lot, how about you provide us *YOUR* analysis of the economics involved? How much do you think it would cost to develop such a next generation looper? How long do you think it would take? What would be the costs, and the price? What would be the operational costs and overhead involved in selling such a thing? And most important, how long would you be selling it before you recovered your investment? looking forward to some amusing replies, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 12:15:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31024; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:14:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:14:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Andy Ewen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: stereo delay Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:14:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <6X5yyD.A.AkH.gOHx7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Kim, I'm waiting for the fun replies here as well! -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] Sent: 10 October 2001 17:04 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: stereo delay At 08:11 AM 10/10/2001, Andy Ewen wrote: >All manufacturers have this requirement if they want to stay in business >past one product. >Maybe you or someone who knows could give me a rough estimate on how much >they think it would cost to develop a Repeater-Beater? that sounds like a fun game. It seems a lot of people here have very little concept of the economic realities involved in developing products for esoteric niches in the musical instrument industry. So why don't we play? those of you who like to jump up and down about this a lot, how about you provide us *YOUR* analysis of the economics involved? How much do you think it would cost to develop such a next generation looper? How long do you think it would take? What would be the costs, and the price? What would be the operational costs and overhead involved in selling such a thing? And most important, how long would you be selling it before you recovered your investment? looking forward to some amusing replies, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 12:18:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31194; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:16:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:16:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011010085641.04925008@loopers-delight.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011010085641.04925008@loopers-delight.com> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:13:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: RE: stereo delay Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >So why don't we play? those of you who like to jump up and down >about this a lot, how about you provide us *YOUR* analysis of the >economics involved? How much do you think it would cost to develop >such a next generation looper? How long do you think it would take? >What would be the costs, and the price? What would be the >operational costs and overhead involved in selling such a thing? And >most important, how long would you be selling it before you >recovered your investment? > >looking forward to some amusing replies, >kim and the winner gets a free haircut from Kim! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 12:22:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31193; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:16:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:16:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Andy Ewen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: stereo delay Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:16:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim will be able to tell you this as he has the figures. It's probably not as many as you think. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: 10 October 2001 17:08 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: stereo delay Just out of curiosity, how many units a year does Gibson sell of the EDP in a year, world wide? My quess is Loopers in general aren't all that popular, but I'm a hermit. Mark On Tuesday, October 9, 2001, at 08:29 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > At 07:26 PM 10/9/2001, Eric Williamson wrote: >> sharp contrast to the flint/grob/electrix way of things, innit? i >> might be >> buying a repeater as soon as i get the money from this Hammond organ >> sale, but >> it would be a 'plex if gibson would ever give kim and matthias some >> real >> hardware and r&d budget for their product. > > R&D budgets in the future require sales in the present..... > > thanks for your support, > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 12:28:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31793; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:22:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:22:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:22:14 -0700 Subject: Re: improving JamMan audio quality? (WAS - stereo delay) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, when I purchased the Repeater, it was like someone turned a light on in a dim room. It is noticeably better than the JamMan. However, I really wouldn't call the JamMan "horrible." Mark On Wednesday, October 10, 2001, at 06:58 AM, kevin cooney wrote: > Dear Faisal: > > The Jamman sounds great! The highs are rolled off a bit but who told > you it sounds horrible? > > Best, > Kevin > On Wednesday, October 10, 2001, at 05:14 AM, faisal moro wrote: > >>> i'll just have to find another pair of jammans somewhere i guess... >> >> Well, let's say that a TC 2290 is the best delay unit we could dream, >> but it it "a little" expensive. Besides, it is a mono unit (i own 2 >> JamMan units, but 2 expanded 2290 are really far to come), and it >> hasn't the built in possiblity to sync to MIDi clock. >> >> So, let's consider the JamMan (as everyone who loves loops HAS to love >> JamMan i think). >> Here the problem is easy to find. >> The audio quality is horrible. >> If i remember right, there were some postings abuot replacing the >> AD/DA converters of the JamMan, so to increase its frequency response >> and its dynamic range. >> Here comes my question. >> Is it "easy" to achieve such a result? Is there the possibiliy to >> replace that converters? Is there the possibility to add digital (even >> SPDIF is OK) in and outs? >> Is there some material abut this, or does someone has tried anything? >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Doei >> Faisal >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 12:46:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00695; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:45:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:45:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004501c151a2$7dfd7940$0e0aa8c0@den> From: "Doug Cox" To: Subject: Looper development and production costs? Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:44:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Since I don't have experience in the audio hardware development field, I have to make some broad assumptions. I'm sure Kim will let me know where I'm wrong. If $2 million was spent on R&D, including the labor and materials for development, testing, market analysis, etc... everything that R&D implies, these $s can be put on the balance sheet and amortized over 5-7 years. Let's use 5 years for conservatism. That's $400k per year of amortized (non-cash) expense. Let's say that following the R&D effort, the organization had an ongoing overhead cost of $1M per year. That's just for executives, sales/marketing, haircuts, etc. Let's say that the ongoing cost of production is $150 per unit. That includes materials, labor, equipment depreciation, any licensing costs, etc. "Cost of goods sold", as the beanheads call it. Let's also say that this $150 per unit figure assumes that 2000 units are produced and sold every year. So: $400,000 R&D Amort. $1,000,000 Overhead = $1.4M general expenses annually divded by 2000 units = $700 per unit of overhead costs + $150 per unit mfg costs = $850 per unit total costs If the company wants to earn a 15% return, they'd need to charge $1,000 per unit All of this ignores transportation costs, which seems to be an important issue in the current EDP scenario. Although I lumped a lot of things into those 2 general expense categories, I may have left out other important costs too... Is this even close? How do other complex pieces of audio hardware get developed and sold for less? Obviously, if the same company can spread that $1m per year of overhead across multiple product lines, each one gets cheaper. Same is true for some of the manufacturing costs... Finally, economies of scale kick in for wildly popular products - if I can make and sell much more than 2000 per year, my costs per unit will drop dramatically. Hey, you asked... and I assumed you were at least 50% serious. At least Kim, Andy, Matthias, et. al. could use this as a starting discussion point, and help us understand the costs involved. Or not :) Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 12:56:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01383; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:55:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:55:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c151ab$dff7c8e0$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Eric Williamson" From: "Eric Williamson" To: Subject: Re: stereo delay Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:51:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andy wrote ... >developing an Echoplex 2 with Kim & Matthias's help. At such time, the input >from LD will be invaluable; we could all put together wish lists for the damn dude. i hope you realised what a horrible mess of worms you just spilled on the Trace Elliot floor. you are BRAVE!!! haha .... just teasin. my input ends here. one phrase: "as powerful as it is simple" this is not a popular opinion. i'm definitely not on the Uberlooper wish list tip ... i just want an affordable stereo plex. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 13:08:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03178; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:06:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:06:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:05:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200110101705.NAA09621@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 64.59.15.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <_154SC.A.Cx.s_Hx7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Have to love this sort of analysis. > If $2 million was spent on R&D, including the labor and materials for > development, testing, market analysis, etc... everything that R&D implies, > these $s can be put on the balance sheet and amortized over 5-7 years. > Let's use 5 years for conservatism. That's $400k per year of amortized > (non-cash) expense. I think that 5 years might be a bit long. How many pieces of gear are still in production after 5 years? $2 mill is pretty reasonable, it might cost more... since the Repeater was a year over schedule, it'd pretty well HAVE to cost more! > Let's say that following the R&D effort, the organization had an ongoing > overhead cost of $1M per year. That's just for executives, sales/marketing, > haircuts, etc. Also quite reasonable. > > Let's say that the ongoing cost of production is $150 per unit. That > includes materials, labor, equipment depreciation, any licensing costs, etc. > "Cost of goods sold", as the beanheads call it. Let's also say that this > $150 per unit figure assumes that 2000 units are produced and sold every > year. 2000 units. Hmm. > $400,000 R&D Amort. > $1,000,000 Overhead > = $1.4M general expenses annually > divded by 2000 units > = $700 per unit of overhead costs > + $150 per unit mfg costs > = $850 per unit total costs > > If the company wants to earn a 15% return, they'd need to charge $1,000 per > unit your math is a little wrong on that last step: $150 on $850 is close to 20%... > Is this even close? How do other complex pieces of audio hardware get > developed and sold for less? This seems to put the kibosh on that "2000 unit" number. Since the overhead costs are fixed and not per unit, if you managed to sell as many as 10,000 units, it'd go: = $1.4M general expenses annually divided by 10000 units = $140 per unit of overhead costs + $150 per unit mfg costs = $290 per unit total costs +15% < $440 rather like the Repeater. Of course, we know that Electrix has dumped their remaining product line and concentrated on the Repeater so that they don't get a chance to spread the general costs out over any other product... Gibson clearly does, however! /t -- I am the wombat. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 13:09:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03273; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:07:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:07:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AaroneousAG@aol.com Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:06:22 EDT Subject: dl-4 left button malfunction To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <12d.5d373b2.28f5da0e@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com L00p3rz, After reading someone's post about Line-6's undiplomatic response to inquiries by a member of our special community, I think it's time to re-evaluate my praise of their monsterous green machine. Specifically because, a little over a year after my purchase, the far left button (the one used for initial record and overdub functions) has become intermittently unusable. Sometimes, it won't begin recording. Other times, it won't end recording and go into overdub, just continue recording as if I hadn't pressed it. Still other times, it will do this strange thing where it becomes a short delay without infinite repeat, where both led's for record and overdub are indicated, but the loop does not keep getting louder, only delays infinitely until a new note is played, at which point that note, completely by itself (without overdubbing over previous sounds) will delay infinitely. I have enjoyed this pedal for a while. As a result of it, I am now dependent on having a delay that utilizes tap tempo. Preferably one that also takes batteries. But, after recently aquiring the Boss loop station, I have realized how constricting the 28 second loop time really is when you're dealing with a device that only handles single loops. The programming function made absolutely no sense to me ever. There was never any problem with the middle two presets. I just could never get the programmed parameters of the left location (even before it went kapputt) to come back to me when I switched delay models, even after setting both high and low. That's when I learned that there you can only preset the parameters once, and those parameters would apply to all the delay models when you switched, so if you set the knob that made "bass" high on one model, that might mean that "tape flutter" would be set high when you switched presets. Somehow, this explanation didn't make sense either. So, I wonder if anyone has any recommendations. 1. Can the switch be fixed? 2. What is the real programming deal with the unit 3. What delay PEDALS that sound even remotely alright offer realtime control of delay time with either a tap or sync (I know Big Briar has a pedal control on the Moog analog delay, but $600 is a tad steep) Battery option is mucho importante (I busk, camp, jam with drum circles, and generally like to play far away from things like electrical outlets) . . . Thanks in advance for your answers, and to tap into this very knowledgeable if slightly schizophrenic brain trust Anyone? aaroneous P.S. Don't let the hair comments get you down, Kim. You'd still make the ultimate bartender at the Intergallactic Loopers' Saloon! (Just wrap that beaver tail in a net before pouring my scotch, if you don't mind!) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 13:10:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03736; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:09:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:09:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Andy Ewen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Looper development and production costs? Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:08:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <-NsN_D.A.Bz.VBIx7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is great stuff. I am totally serious about this as it is a very interesting subject. However, there are a couple of points that I would make: If we are talking a Looping Device here, the best ever conceived by far, it would still probably not sell in these quantities and certainly not for more than a few years. The competition would catch up making further R&D investment necessary to keep it at the forefront. Manufactured cost for such a device, assuming it is made in the UK, is likely to be at least double what you have suggested, maybe more. Gibson require at least a 30% return on all products bearing the Gibson name. It would then have to go through the chain of distribution and then retail, probably 50% then 50%, then local taxes before the user gets it, this would, on your calculations make it about the same price as a small family car. Oh, and the transport costs which you mention, but cannot be overlooked, UK to US, UK to Europe Australia etc. Taking these points into account, how viable a project is it? -----Original Message----- From: Doug Cox [mailto:bickleypunk@pdq.net] Sent: 10 October 2001 16:45 To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looper development and production costs? Since I don't have experience in the audio hardware development field, I have to make some broad assumptions. I'm sure Kim will let me know where I'm wrong. If $2 million was spent on R&D, including the labor and materials for development, testing, market analysis, etc... everything that R&D implies, these $s can be put on the balance sheet and amortized over 5-7 years. Let's use 5 years for conservatism. That's $400k per year of amortized (non-cash) expense. Let's say that following the R&D effort, the organization had an ongoing overhead cost of $1M per year. That's just for executives, sales/marketing, haircuts, etc. Let's say that the ongoing cost of production is $150 per unit. That includes materials, labor, equipment depreciation, any licensing costs, etc. "Cost of goods sold", as the beanheads call it. Let's also say that this $150 per unit figure assumes that 2000 units are produced and sold every year. So: $400,000 R&D Amort. $1,000,000 Overhead = $1.4M general expenses annually divded by 2000 units = $700 per unit of overhead costs + $150 per unit mfg costs = $850 per unit total costs If the company wants to earn a 15% return, they'd need to charge $1,000 per unit All of this ignores transportation costs, which seems to be an important issue in the current EDP scenario. Although I lumped a lot of things into those 2 general expense categories, I may have left out other important costs too... Is this even close? How do other complex pieces of audio hardware get developed and sold for less? Obviously, if the same company can spread that $1m per year of overhead across multiple product lines, each one gets cheaper. Same is true for some of the manufacturing costs... Finally, economies of scale kick in for wildly popular products - if I can make and sell much more than 2000 per year, my costs per unit will drop dramatically. Hey, you asked... and I assumed you were at least 50% serious. At least Kim, Andy, Matthias, et. al. could use this as a starting discussion point, and help us understand the costs involved. Or not :) Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 13:14:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04129; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:12:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:12:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c151ae$395dea20$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Eric Williamson" From: "Eric Williamson" To: Subject: THE REAL QUESTION ... Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:08:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Repeater ... or two RDS-8000s and a TR-707 for stereo sync. i only need 8-10 seconds of loop time, and tweaking 10 sec out of an RDS8K is simple. what do you think? i have $600 and 6 weeks to buy my next l00per thanks, Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com ps ... sorry about the return addy. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 13:23:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04801; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:17:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:17:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:53:46 -0400 To: electrons@cardhouse.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance 10.13.01 -- Cambridge, MA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks. I'll be doing video with some of my favorite musicians on Saturday evening. Hope some of you can make it. subconsciouscafe @ ZEITGEIST presents SATURDAY OCTOBER 13 - 8:30 "ANTIMATTER JAZZ" NEIL LEONARD - sax & electronics DAVID BRYANT - keyboards "Live, spontaneous improvization in the electronic domain, using custom machines, interfces and interactive software. Incorporates notions of chance, unpredictability and hybridization, the music is in a constant state of flux." ANDREW NEUMANN - laptop, switches, sensors compositions & improvizations KATT HERNANDEZ & HER TRANCE SCHOLARS Katt leads an ensemble of master acoustic musicians from Brazil, Morocco, Turkey & USA in an 'out-of-Cambridge experience through traditional trance musics. Nihat Tokdil - nai, percussion Fred Stubbs - nai, percussion Gem - nai, percussion Katt Hernandez - violin Sergio Brandao - mandolin, guitar Robert Rivera - cello & others too numinous to mention! LIGHTS by the legendary DR. T ! Doors 8 pm. Music 8:30-12:30 $10 suggested doughnation ZEITGEIST GALLERY 312 BROADWAY cr NORFOLK off CENTRAL SQ. CAMBRIDGE info 617.876.2182 BYOB ODJB DMSO subconsciouscafe is a ROB CHALFEN trope -- "Freedom is a scary thing --- Not many people really want it" -- Laurie Anderson Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 13:41:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06109; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:40:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:40:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <025801c151b3$431c2b80$e7168bd1@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: Subject: Re: Totally Off Topic Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:43:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Loopers- A sincere thanks to all who helped with my search for the elusive band Chrysalis and what has become of their members. Special props to Kevin Miller, Jim Palmer, James Pokorny, and especially to Dr. Richard Zvonar, who led me to the motherlode. A brief comment, again off-topic: In the days immediately following September 11, we were all enmeshed in a swirl of communication regarding the tragedy of that day. At that time, I subscribed to two newsgroups: the Boss GT-3 multi-effects pedal gang, and, obviously, the Looperheads. The GT-3 group fell to a lower level of argument, and the group overlord (whatever you call guys like Kim) actually CENSORED many people's comments before they were posted. I unsubscribed in protest and urged others to do the same. On the other hand, the vibe here at Loopers Delight, while very emotional and quite off-topic at times, remained very positive overall. A special thank-you to Kim for remaining cool in the face of so much back-and-forth, and not once even mentioning the words "off topic." I believe that the process of looping has a positive instructive quality: we continuously reexperience our actions. Because of this, I am continuously warmed by the good vibes of Loopers Delight. Group hug! Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 13:46:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06111; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:40:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:40:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:39:35 -0700 From: "Miko Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: dl-4 left button malfunction >> Tap tempo delay Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA06083 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>> AaroneousAG@aol.com 10/10/01 10:06AM >>> L00p3rz, > So, I wonder if anyone has any recommendations. 1. Can the switch be fixed? 2. What is the real programming deal with the unit 3. What delay PEDALS that sound even remotely alright offer realtime control of delay time with either a tap or sync (I know Big Briar has a pedal control on the Moog analog delay, but $600 is a tad steep) Battery option is mucho importante (I busk, camp, jam with drum circles, and generally like to play far away from things like electrical outlets) . . . Thanks in advance for your answers, and to tap into this very knowledgeable if slightly schizophrenic brain trust Anyone? aaroneous The Boss DD5 is a decent sounding *small* pedal, which has a footswitch jack for input of tap times via an FS-5U footswitch or other momentary facsimilie. It has all the usual division ratios... 1/8 notes; 1/4 notes; 1/8 note triplets; dotted 1/8 notes. Just a basic delay with good tap tempo capability. It also has spill-over when toggled off so the delays decay gracefully. Also has a goofy backward mode and hold mode, both of which are marginally useful, but hey... it's a reliable, simple delay. I have my plex for looping... -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 14:03:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09053; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:01:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:01:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #599 Reply-To: A.Willers@t-online.de In-Reply-To: <200110101502.LAA25074@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200110101502.LAA25074@hemlock.violacea.com> From: A.Willers@t-online.de (A.Willers) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:01:15 +0000 X-Mailer: Musashi 3.2.3-es Message-ID: <15rNex-26gM3UC@fwd02.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 520012547034-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >The Jamman sounds great! The highs are rolled off a bit but who > >told you it sounds horrible? > > Who told? > > 1 - the comparison between the original signal and the looped one. > I'm talking about dynamic range more than high frequencies. > > 2 - the noise added to the loop as you have to increase the output > level to balance it with the original one. > > 3 - the comparison between the D-Two output and the jamMan's one. > > 4 - the comparison between the 2290 output and the jamMan's one. > > Don't know about EDP and Repeater signal quality, but technical infos > seems that it's better than JM. > Don't worry anyway, i still love my JMs, just wondering if it's > improvable. > > How much is the EDP retail price anyway? > > Doei > Faisal Hi Doei, I am with you totally. The 2290 is the best sounding unit I have ever used (it's long sold, sniff) and tc is not holding up the standard in their newer stuff IMO. I had both my G-Force and the EDP modified in the A/D signal chain by an expert tech last year and they are much better now, clearer sounding and better dynamics for shure. He didn't promote this to me, only offered this after I kept complaining. andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 14:18:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10047; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:17:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:17:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009b01c151b7$53baca60$049693c3@co.uk> From: "Colin Bradley" To: Subject: D U A L I N F O Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 19:13:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dual will be appearing at various venues in the UK during October. The first of these shows happens on Thursday 11th October. The event will include a live mix performance of the new album Keimar Sty soon to be released on Coombe Records at a specially organised Coombe Productions evening of film and sound. Thursday October 11th coombe productions in association with cassette41 & kinoKULTURE present: ANGELS OF THE UNIVERSE by FREDRIK THOR FRIDRIKSSON featuring music by HILMAR ÖRN HILMARSSON & SIGUR RÓS soundtrack available on Fat Cat Records with THE LEFT HAND SHOULD KNOW by BREDA BEBAN & HRVOJE HORVATIC featuring music by THOMAS KÖNER and CAR PARK by CASSETTE41 (sound design by Cassette41 and Colin Bradley) to be released soon on Coombe Records and Interval music by DUAL Dual will play a live mix of tracks from the new album Keimar Sty to be released on Coombe Records Thursday 11th October 2001 The Horse Hospital The Colonnade London WC1N 1HX (nr. tube - Russell Square) Doors 7:30pm Tickets: £5 / £6 on the door. For reservations and info telephone: 0207 833 3644 www.coomberecords.com info@coomberecords.com www.fat-cat.co.uk There will be further live events later this month, in Sheffield and London (UK), more info at the Dual website www.dual.co.uk and on future mailings. Dual are featured in the new issue (#8) of Fear Drop magazine. The magazine includes a four page interview with Dual as well as articles on Panasonic, Muslimgauze, Biosphere, Fennesz, Nurse With Wound and label features on Raster-Noton and Dorobo. There is also an accompanying compilation CD with an exclusive Dual track, 70dN. Other artists include Panasonic, Porter Ricks, Piccolo Saxo, The Infant Cycle, Darrin Verhagen, Rob(u)rang, plus others. Further info from feardrop@wanadoo.fr Other releases still available: Dual - Drimon (7'') Dual - Klanik (7'') (Ltd copies left) Dual - Caste (CD) Network Volume II - Various (CD) Four Years in Thirty Seconds - Various (CD) Fear Drop #8 (magazine + CD) please write for availability and price details. Dual info@dual.co.uk www.dual.co.uk www.coomberecords.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ sorry if you receive this email more than once through various sources, or if your address was added to this list by mistake, it's not our intention to bombard you with more information than even we would want but if you would rather not receive this (ir)regular information please reply to this email with remove in the subject field. thank you... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 14:36:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11142; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:34:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:34:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006f01c151b6$df90efc0$66effea9@oemcomputer> From: "Bruce Comens" To: References: Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:10:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com but does the edp need to be redesigned from scratch? aren't we talking about additions to a product that already works extremelly well? ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Ewen To: Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 1:08 PM Subject: RE: Looper development and production costs? > This is great stuff. I am totally serious about this as it is a very > interesting subject. > However, there are a couple of points that I would make: > If we are talking a Looping Device here, the best ever conceived by far, it > would still probably not sell in these quantities and certainly not for more > than a few years. The competition would catch up making further R&D > investment necessary to keep it at the forefront. > Manufactured cost for such a device, assuming it is made in the UK, is > likely to be at least double what you have suggested, maybe more. > Gibson require at least a 30% return on all products bearing the Gibson > name. > It would then have to go through the chain of distribution and then retail, > probably 50% then 50%, then local taxes before the user gets it, this would, > on your calculations make it about the same price as a small family car. > Oh, and the transport costs which you mention, but cannot be overlooked, UK > to US, UK to Europe Australia etc. > > Taking these points into account, how viable a project is it? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Cox [mailto:bickleypunk@pdq.net] > Sent: 10 October 2001 16:45 > To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Looper development and production costs? > > > Since I don't have experience in the audio hardware development field, I > have to make some broad assumptions. I'm sure Kim will let me know where > I'm wrong. > > If $2 million was spent on R&D, including the labor and materials for > development, testing, market analysis, etc... everything that R&D implies, > these $s can be put on the balance sheet and amortized over 5-7 years. > Let's use 5 years for conservatism. That's $400k per year of amortized > (non-cash) expense. > > Let's say that following the R&D effort, the organization had an ongoing > overhead cost of $1M per year. That's just for executives, sales/marketing, > haircuts, etc. > > Let's say that the ongoing cost of production is $150 per unit. That > includes materials, labor, equipment depreciation, any licensing costs, etc. > "Cost of goods sold", as the beanheads call it. Let's also say that this > $150 per unit figure assumes that 2000 units are produced and sold every > year. > > So: > > $400,000 R&D Amort. > $1,000,000 Overhead > = $1.4M general expenses annually > divded by 2000 units > = $700 per unit of overhead costs > + $150 per unit mfg costs > = $850 per unit total costs > > If the company wants to earn a 15% return, they'd need to charge $1,000 per > unit > > All of this ignores transportation costs, which seems to be an important > issue in the current EDP scenario. Although I lumped a lot of things into > those 2 general expense categories, I may have left out other important > costs too... > > Is this even close? How do other complex pieces of audio hardware get > developed and sold for less? Obviously, if the same company can spread that > $1m per year of overhead across multiple product lines, each one gets > cheaper. Same is true for some of the manufacturing costs... Finally, > economies of scale kick in for wildly popular products - if I can make and > sell much more than 2000 per year, my costs per unit will drop dramatically. > > Hey, you asked... and I assumed you were at least 50% serious. At least > Kim, Andy, Matthias, et. al. could use this as a starting discussion point, > and help us understand the costs involved. Or not :) > > Doug > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 14:44:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11957; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:43:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:43:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011010092406.048cce20@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:29:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: stereo delay In-Reply-To: <00fd01c151a0$cbd2c690$080210ac@jpalmer> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com so far as I know, Electrix almost went out of business trying to develop the repeater. It obviously cost them far more than they thought it would. And you could argue they still shipped it prematurely, so the real price is even higher. If they want to do Repeater 2 and pay those costs all over again, their only option is selling a lot of Repeaters. kim At 08:32 AM 10/10/2001, jim palmer wrote: >are you implying gibson has no current sales of anything? >electrix most certainly had no current sales of the repeater >while they were developing it... > >the edp is a "repeater-beater" already in some categories. >i just think that updated hardware is called for. >i imagine this will never happen, since you have just spent a lot >getting CE-approval of the current hardware > >the software is great, btw. >can't wait to try the new stuff... > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Andy Ewen" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 10:11 AM >Subject: RE: stereo delay > > > > All manufacturers have this requirement if they want to stay in business > > past one product. > > Maybe you or someone who knows could give me a rough estimate on how much > > they think it would cost to develop a Repeater-Beater? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jim palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] > > Sent: 10 October 2001 15:58 > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: stereo delay > > > > > > good thing electrix didn't have this requirement... > > > > > > > At 07:26 PM 10/9/2001, Eric Williamson wrote: > > > >sharp contrast to the flint/grob/electrix way of things, innit? i might > > be > > > >buying a repeater as soon as i get the money from this Hammond organ > > sale, but > > > >it would be a 'plex if gibson would ever give kim and matthias some real > > > >hardware and r&d budget for their product. > > > > > > R&D budgets in the future require sales in the present..... > > > > > > thanks for your support, > > > kim > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 14:50:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12520; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:49:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:49:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:49:15 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: stereo delay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <007101c151bc$428860e0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com this is excellent news. my requests for the edp are simply extension to the existing design... (i _think_. go ahead and bite my head off if i'm wrong. i am not a manufacturing designer, but i do play one in dream land...) - don't go againinator - digital i/o - balanced analog i/o - stereo - expandable memory. - flash os - variable sample rates (lo-fi up to high res) - i'll take two! here's an idea: if gibson is not interested, why not have an open source design project? i think enough people would be interested in the project to make it happen. and then when the design work was done (an interesting term in open source, i know), gibson could run with it... >... > Once the CE model is out there selling in Europe, I will be speaking to the > newly set up Gibson R&D dept over in LA to see if they are interested in > developing an Echoplex 2 with Kim & Matthias's help.... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 14:57:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12999; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:56:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:56:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:55:50 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: stereo delay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <007701c151bd$2e05ded0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011010092406.048cce20@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > > R&D budgets in the future require sales in the present..... if this were true, nobody would ever design a new device. if the current design is selling well, there is no reason to redesign. if it's not selling well, they would refuse to make a new design. it's a catch-22... > so far as I know, Electrix almost went out of business trying to develop > the repeater. It obviously cost them far more than they thought it would. > And you could argue they still shipped it prematurely, so the real price is > even higher. If they want to do Repeater 2 and pay those costs all over > again, their only option is selling a lot of Repeaters. > kim > electrix didn't have a version 1 design to extend, they were building from scratch, and for a fairly different use than the edp... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 15:00:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14393; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:59:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:59:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011010114306.04a25790@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:57:07 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Totally Off Topic In-Reply-To: <025801c151b3$431c2b80$e7168bd1@Douglas> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't believe in censorship, or dictatorships of any sort. I think a community should be able to sort out its own problems, and take responsibility for it's own actions, both as individuals and as a group. That's how I "run" this list. In other words, this list is basically operating as an anarchical community. To me that does not mean chaos or lack of responsibility for one's actions, it means everybody is *equally* responsible for the success and well-being of the group. That being said, the truth is I was one mouse click away from permanently banning a number of people from this list during that particular week. Not for whatever argument they were making, but for simply refusing to respect the list and rest of the group. I decided to sleep on it, and the next morning changed my mind about exercising that much power and setting that precedent. The principle worked and the community sorted itself out within a few days, saving me the trouble. I was glad that it worked out that way, and I think it's generally a testament to the good qualities of this group that it did. kim At 10:43 AM 10/10/2001, K. Douglas Baldwin wrote: >Dear Loopers- > A sincere thanks to all who helped with my search for the elusive band >Chrysalis and what has become of their members. Special props to Kevin >Miller, Jim Palmer, James Pokorny, and especially to Dr. Richard Zvonar, who >led me to the motherlode. > A brief comment, again off-topic: In the days immediately following >September 11, we were all enmeshed in a swirl of communication regarding the >tragedy of that day. At that time, I subscribed to two newsgroups: the Boss >GT-3 multi-effects pedal gang, and, obviously, the Looperheads. The GT-3 >group fell to a lower level of argument, and the group overlord (whatever >you call guys like Kim) actually CENSORED many people's comments before they >were posted. I unsubscribed in protest and urged others to do the same. On >the other hand, the vibe here at Loopers Delight, while very emotional and >quite off-topic at times, remained very positive overall. A special >thank-you to Kim for remaining cool in the face of so much back-and-forth, >and not once even mentioning the words "off topic." > I believe that the process of looping has a positive instructive >quality: we continuously reexperience our actions. Because of this, I am >continuously warmed by the good vibes of Loopers Delight. > Group hug! >Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster >dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 15:15:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15509; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:14:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:14:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:12:22 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Totally Off Topic To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00a401c151bf$7d63cb20$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011010114306.04a25790@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: <4e3uIB.A.JxD.X2Jx7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > ... > That being said, the truth is I was one mouse click away from permanently > banning a number of people from this list during that particular week. >... i could tell you were on the edge, and, in part, this kept me from participating in the offending threads. i am really glad you used restraint there. it is good that you have strong faith in the viability of a free system... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 15:24:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15872; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:18:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:18:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: "Om_Audio \(Clifford Novey\)" Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #599 Reply-To: A.Willers@t-online.de In-Reply-To: <002001c151b6$880f8220$0601a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> References: <002001c151b6$880f8220$0601a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: A.Willers@t-online.de (A.Willers) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:16:59 +0000 X-Mailer: Musashi 3.2.3-es Message-ID: <15rOqF-0CpWUKC@fwd05.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 520012547034-0001@t-dialin.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA15789 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Om_Audio \(Clifford Novey\) schrieb am ÒRe: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #599Ó. [2001/10/10Mit 18:08] > You know you are not getting off that easy- what did the tech do? I'm sure > I'm not the only curious one- :) > Cliff Hi Cliff, he didn't tell me what is was precisely and I probably wouldn't have been able to grasp it anyway. Only so much: he worked on the analog side of the signal path both on the input and output. He has a copyright on this (you can buy it here as a pretty expensive stand alone, the 'Effects Legalizer') but is hardly marketing this because he runs a studio and has tons of repair and developing things on the side. I know that studio engineers are standing in line to have their tc finalizers modified by him....it really works. Of course the easiest way is to get a decent mixer and run everything 'wet' from the effects through that. You just can't use compression, filters, pitch and other 'destructive' effects that way. andreas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "A.Willers" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 1:01 PM > Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #599 > > > > > > > >The Jamman sounds great! The highs are rolled off a bit but who > > > >told you it sounds horrible? > > > > > > Who told? > > > > > > 1 - the comparison between the original signal and the looped one. > > > I'm talking about dynamic range more than high frequencies. > > > > > > 2 - the noise added to the loop as you have to increase the output > > > level to balance it with the original one. > > > > > > 3 - the comparison between the D-Two output and the jamMan's one. > > > > > > 4 - the comparison between the 2290 output and the jamMan's one. > > > > > > Don't know about EDP and Repeater signal quality, but technical infos > > > seems that it's better than JM. > > > Don't worry anyway, i still love my JMs, just wondering if it's > > > improvable. > > > > > > How much is the EDP retail price anyway? > > > > > > Doei > > > Faisal > > > > Hi Doei, > > I am with you totally. The 2290 is the best sounding unit I have ever > used > > (it's long sold, sniff) and tc is not holding up the standard in their > > newer stuff IMO. I had both my G-Force and the EDP modified in the A/D > > signal chain by an expert tech last year and they are much better now, > > clearer sounding and better dynamics for shure. He didn't promote this > to > > me, only offered this after I kept complaining. > > > > andreas > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 15:27:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16503; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:26:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:26:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.98.143.251] From: "Jeff Robert" To: Subject: new Oysterhead CD Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:25:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AB_01C1518E.FC609B00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Oct 2001 19:24:51.0001 (UTC) FILETIME=[3B63AA90:01C151C1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AB_01C1518E.FC609B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What do you all think of the new Oysterhead CD? 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What do you all think of the new = Oysterhead=20 CD?  There's loops on a majority of the tracks. =
------=_NextPart_000_00AB_01C1518E.FC609B00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 15:34:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17093; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:33:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:33:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: new Oysterhead CD Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:34:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <1G-GTB.A.CKE.hJKx7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How timely...I just picked it up and will be listening to it tonight on my commute home. I'll report in tomorrow. I also picked up Olatunji, the new live Coltrane disc. Sound quality is OK, but man they are totally wailing. Very inspired. -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Robert [mailto:lewbrew@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 3:25 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: new Oysterhead CD What do you all think of the new Oysterhead CD? There's loops on a majority of the tracks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 15:57:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18726; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:56:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:56:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007301c151c6$182d9720$0200a8c0@erdem> Reply-To: "erdem helvacioglu" From: "erdem helvacioglu" To: Subject: Laptop Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:59:33 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0070_01C151DF.3A351A00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01C151DF.3A351A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would like to buy a soundcard for my laptop with 2 analog inputs and 4 = analog outputs and with a midi port if possible. What are the options? Thanks. Erdem Helvacioglu erdemhel@turk.net ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01C151DF.3A351A00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0070_01C151DF.3A351A00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 16:01:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20243; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:00:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:00:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: BIG NOISE PROBLEM! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.8 Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:04:03 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK so here is the problem when i plug in my power supply for my laptop i pick up the internal noise of my laptop in the event ps6 monitors-but as soon as i unplug the power supply and go back to battery all is fine-can some one suggest a way i can avoid this? It makes me cry- Regards c.white From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 16:29:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22016; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:27:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:27:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BC4AFA9.70F40C1E@ernieball.com> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:29:29 -0700 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: Looper development and production costs? References: <200110101915.PAA15593@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why couldn't you just take two of the EDP boards and put them into a 2U chassis? Or even sell them as stereo pairs at a discounted price? -Hans > Subject: RE: Looper development and production costs? > Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:08:17 -0500 > From: Andy Ewen > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > This is great stuff. I am totally serious about this as it is a very > interesting subject. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 16:48:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24168; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:47:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:47:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <17981901.1002746791654.JavaMail.imail@goochy.excite.com> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:46:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Burke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Next! DJS-24 Software Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.24.163.208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I found one of these new for $120 (USD) The Boss, Yamaha, Akai and Korg equipment I knew about but didn't feel like paying the extra dollars. I've never heard of the Redsound or Zoom, how do they compare? Actually does anybody have a good list of how the low end samplers (under $300-$400) compare against each other? Jim On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 00:55:07 +0200, Emmanuel PERILLE wrote: > Hi Jim, > > btw I just wonder what are the reasons why you decided to purchase more a > DSJ-24 than any other competiting DJ sampler like ROLAND SP202/SP303, YAMAHA > SU200, KORG ES-1, ZOOM ST-224, AKAI S20 ... or even Redsound Cycloops or my > DJRND2 ? > > Really want to you, > Thanks, > Emmanuel > > _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 16:50:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22932; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:40:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:40:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005301c151cb$b7c163c0$0200a8c0@wienerdog> Reply-To: "Funkay" From: "Funkay" To: References: <20011010051919.7267.qmail@web12004.mail.yahoo.com><001a01c1514c$aa5758e0$0200a8c0@wienerdog> <008301c1519d$22d3dd70$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: top 10 improvisers Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:39:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > p.s. another "reply to" problem. > I have to have it in my email. The address I send from is different than the address I check, because I have a few different email addresses that are all forwarded to my main address. eh its complicated. This is the only list I know of that has this problem, maybe I should just stop posting. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 16:53:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24517; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:49:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:49:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Scott Wilson" To: "'erdem helvacioglu'" , Subject: RE: Laptop Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:50:30 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c151cd$353a8e20$dbda14ab@dwfearn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C151AB.AE28EE20" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <007301c151c6$182d9720$0200a8c0@erdem> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C151AB.AE28EE20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit check out midiman's USB audio. Fine if you aren't using anything else for the USB ports. I wouldn't trust audio to USB though. If you're on a mac or want to get a firewire PCMCIA card, MOTU's interfaces are better - but equally more expensive. -Scott ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C151AB.AE28EE20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
check=20 out midiman's USB audio. Fine if you aren't using anything else for the = USB=20 ports.
I=20 wouldn't trust audio to USB though.
 
If=20 you're on a mac or want to get a firewire PCMCIA card, MOTU's interfaces = are
better=20 - but equally more expensive.
 
-Scott
 
------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C151AB.AE28EE20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 17:22:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27432; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 17:18:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 17:18:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c151d0$a024d3a0$0601a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Om_Audio \(Clifford Novey\)" To: References: <000001c151cd$353a8e20$dbda14ab@dwfearn> Subject: Re: Laptop Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:14:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C15195.EC605E00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C15195.EC605E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageRME is coming out with a unit very similar to the MOTU 2408 that = will be able to use the RME PCMIA laptop card too- looks nice- only = thing the MOTU has over it is Tascam support and 2 extra Adat i/o- and = the RME is a bit less in price-=20 Cliff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Scott Wilson=20 To: 'erdem helvacioglu' ; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 1:50 PM Subject: RE: Laptop check out midiman's USB audio. Fine if you aren't using anything else = for the USB ports. I wouldn't trust audio to USB though. If you're on a mac or want to get a firewire PCMCIA card, MOTU's = interfaces are better - but equally more expensive. -Scott ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C15195.EC605E00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
RME is coming out with a unit very similar to the = MOTU 2408=20 that will be able to use the RME PCMIA laptop card too- looks nice- only = thing=20 the MOTU has over it is Tascam support and 2 extra Adat i/o- and the RME = is a=20 bit less in price-
 
Cliff
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Scott Wilson
To: 'erdem helvacioglu' ; Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, = 2001 1:50=20 PM
Subject: RE: Laptop

check out midiman's USB audio. Fine if you aren't using = anything else=20 for the USB ports.
I=20 wouldn't trust audio to USB though.
 
If=20 you're on a mac or want to get a firewire PCMCIA card, MOTU's = interfaces=20 are
better - but equally more expensive.
 
-Scott
 
= ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C15195.EC605E00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 17:38:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28266; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 17:33:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 17:33:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BC4BDEF.78A2B6F7@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:30:24 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers Subject: Mac looper: Phrazer, Mixman or...? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, My wife is starting to get into computer based looping. We're going to try and do a party soon, and I was wondering what would be the best software for her to use. She's Mac based (G3 400) I've played with Mixman and Phrazer a little. Liked Phrazer's interface but need the real-time aspect of Mixman. I've also seen Groovemaker, but have never had luck getting it to run. Anything also out there that is worth checking out? Here are the requirements: Mac OS 9.1 ability to tweak pitch (real time) ability to tweak tempo (real time) sample playback (obviously) MIDI SYNCH (important, must keep up with Jamman and Repeater) some type of soft synth function could be nice, but not necessary. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 18:11:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30979; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 17:59:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 17:59:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001601c151d6$484028a0$0601a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <3BC4BDEF.78A2B6F7@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Mac looper: Phrazer, Mixman or...? Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:55:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.bpmstudio.com/ Only if you were using Virtual PC tho- sorry- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: "loopers" Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 2:30 PM Subject: Mac looper: Phrazer, Mixman or...? > Hey, > > My wife is starting to get into computer based looping. We're going to > try and do a party soon, and I was wondering what would be the best > software for her to use. She's Mac based (G3 400) I've played with > Mixman and Phrazer a little. Liked Phrazer's interface but need the > real-time aspect of Mixman. I've also seen Groovemaker, but have never > had luck getting it to run. Anything also out there that is worth > checking out? > > Here are the requirements: > > Mac OS 9.1 > ability to tweak pitch (real time) > ability to tweak tempo (real time) > sample playback (obviously) > MIDI SYNCH (important, must keep up with Jamman and Repeater) > > some type of soft synth function could be nice, but not necessary. > > Mark > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 18:23:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31744; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:13:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:13:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BC56FE6.F59DEC4C@mail.verizon.net> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 06:09:42 -0400 From: Mike Hunter X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en]C-CCK-MCD BA45DSL (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New Repeater mail list Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I guess I must be nuts....but I just created a new mail list for Repeater users.
All are welcome...(Hey, I'm an EDP and Eventide user too!)

If your interested...well, you know the drill:

                        repeater-users-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

See ya there...if your interested....

Mike (preparing for the onslaught...) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 18:43:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01281; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:42:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:42:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BC4CE9A.B9429AB8@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:41:31 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mac looper: Phrazer, Mixman or...? References: <3BC4BDEF.78A2B6F7@zerocrossing.net> <001601c151d6$484028a0$0601a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I tried to get PC audio apps going on the Mac via Virtual PC, and it didn't work (ACID in particular) seems it needed to be able to directly access hardware without any emulation. On the other hand, we do have a little laptop that might be OK for this... Mark "Clifford@BienAppraisers" wrote: > http://www.bpmstudio.com/ > > Only if you were using Virtual PC tho- sorry- > > Cliff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Sottilaro" > To: "loopers" > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 2:30 PM > Subject: Mac looper: Phrazer, Mixman or...? > > > Hey, > > > > My wife is starting to get into computer based looping. We're going to > > try and do a party soon, and I was wondering what would be the best > > software for her to use. She's Mac based (G3 400) I've played with > > Mixman and Phrazer a little. Liked Phrazer's interface but need the > > real-time aspect of Mixman. I've also seen Groovemaker, but have never > > had luck getting it to run. Anything also out there that is worth > > checking out? > > > > Here are the requirements: > > > > Mac OS 9.1 > > ability to tweak pitch (real time) > > ability to tweak tempo (real time) > > sample playback (obviously) > > MIDI SYNCH (important, must keep up with Jamman and Repeater) > > > > some type of soft synth function could be nice, but not necessary. > > > > Mark > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 18:57:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02249; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:56:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:56:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:55:27 -0700 From: "Tim Sanz" To: Subject: Re: BIG NOISE PROBLEM! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_A9F35BEF.ADCCA175" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_A9F35BEF.ADCCA175 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable had a similar problem with a jazz drive and a vs880 the fix was=20 plug the jazz drive into an older ground lift and reverse it into the = power outlet. bad house wiring at my old place caused my tube amp to work well this way = too. i have moved and the same gear works fine without the lifts now. ts >>> magicicada@charter.net 10/10/01 01:04PM >>> OK so here is the problem when i plug in my power supply for my laptop i pick up the internal noise of my laptop in the event ps6 monitors-but as soon as i unplug the power supply and go back to battery all is fine-can some one suggest a way i can avoid this? It makes me cry- Regards c.white --=_A9F35BEF.ADCCA175 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: HTML

had a similar problem with a jazz drive and a vs880 the fix was =
plug the jazz drive into an older ground lift and reverse it into the = power=20 outlet.
bad house wiring at my old place caused my tube amp to work well this = way=20 too.
i have moved and the same gear works fine without the lifts now.
=
ts

>>> magicicada@charter.net 10/10/01 01:04PM=20 >>>
OK so here is the problem when i plug in my power = supply=20 for
my laptop i pick up the internal noise of my laptop in the
event = ps6=20 monitors-but as soon as i unplug the power supply
and go back to = battery all=20 is fine-can some one suggest a
way i can avoid this? It makes me=20 cry-
Regards
c.white

--=_A9F35BEF.ADCCA175-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 18:58:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02020; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:52:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:52:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:48:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: usb wierdness...way OT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com in light of the mac inquiries today and talk of firewire and usb... i thought i would share this little anomaly. at work, i sit near a window on the ground level. i have 4 mac g4's in my department. occasionally, the landscape guys come by with their mowers, leafblowers, etc. every time, one of the guys comes down the path outside my window, with his leafblower. This is a gas powered leafblower. and EVERY time he comes by, the two g4's that are nearest the window have their mice lock up. seriously. all you have to do is unplug the mouse and plug it back into the keyboard and you're off and running again (which took me a while to figure out and stop doing hard reboots). but it's the wierdest thing i've ever seen from a mac. ahhhhh! watch out! here comes the leafblower! any tech heads out there willing to venture a guess? rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 19:42:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05611; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 19:41:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 19:41:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BC4DCA1.1705A1F7@club-internet.fr> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 01:41:21 +0200 From: Emmanuel PERILLE X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [fr] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Next! DJS-24 Software References: <17981901.1002746791654.JavaMail.imail@goochy.excite.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jim Burke wrote : > I found one of these new for $120 (USD) > > The Boss, Yamaha, Akai and Korg equipment I knew about but didn't feel like > paying the extra dollars. > > I've never heard of the Redsound or Zoom, how do they compare? > Actually does anybody have a good list of how the low end samplers (under > $300-$400) compare against each other? See "Tools of the Trade" at http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/tools.html > Jim > > On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 00:55:07 +0200, Emmanuel PERILLE wrote: > > Hi Jim, > > > > btw I just wonder what are the reasons why you decided to purchase more a > > DSJ-24 than any other competiting DJ sampler like ROLAND SP202/SP303, > YAMAHA > > SU200, KORG ES-1, ZOOM ST-224, AKAI S20 ... or even Redsound Cycloops or > DJRND2 ? > > > > Really want to know, > > Thanks, > > Emmanuel > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Send a cool gift with your E-Card > http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 20:06:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07579; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:04:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:04:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <28.1bf172f2.28f63bab@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:02:51 EDT Subject: Re: stereo delay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_28.1bf172f2.28f63bab_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_28.1bf172f2.28f63bab_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/10/01 12:07:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes: > It seems a lot of people here have very little > concept of the economic realities involved in developing products for > esoteric niches in the musical instrument industry. > gee kim!.....what would make you think that.....do we get to factor in hair dye?.....:)m --part1_28.1bf172f2.28f63bab_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/10/01 12:07:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes:


It seems a lot of people here have very little
concept of the economic realities involved in developing products for
esoteric niches in the musical instrument industry.


gee kim!.....what would make you think that.....do we get to factor in hair dye?.....:)m --part1_28.1bf172f2.28f63bab_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 20:35:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08960; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:34:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:34:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002e01c151ec$706e67e0$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: Subject: Re: usb wierdness...way OT Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 17:34:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <-vV49.A.yLC.DkOx7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It is the result of the blower's EM discharge- they have a magneto generating spark and it disrupts the signal- I had an old monitor that would snap on and off at will and it would always cause my usb Wacom tablet to stop working until I reset it- That is my best guess- the mice you use are USB too- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 3:48 PM Subject: usb wierdness...way OT > in light of the mac inquiries today and talk of firewire and usb... > > i thought i would share this little anomaly. > > at work, i sit near a window on the ground level. i have 4 mac g4's > in my department. occasionally, the landscape guys come by with > their mowers, leafblowers, etc. > > every time, one of the guys comes down the path outside my window, > with his leafblower. This is a gas powered leafblower. and EVERY > time he comes by, the two g4's that are nearest the window have their > mice lock up. > > seriously. all you have to do is unplug the mouse and plug it back > into the keyboard and you're off and running again (which took me a > while to figure out and stop doing hard reboots). but it's the > wierdest thing i've ever seen from a mac. > > ahhhhh! watch out! here comes the leafblower! > > any tech heads out there willing to venture a guess? > > rich > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 20:36:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09092; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:35:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:35:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3BC4BDEF.78A2B6F7@zerocrossing.net> References: <3BC4BDEF.78A2B6F7@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:34:27 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Mac looper: Phrazer, Mixman or...? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Sottilaro wrote: >My wife is starting to get into computer based looping. Lucky bastard! Where do you FIND these girls?? /t http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 20:46:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09771; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:45:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:45:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BC4EB87.E58646FE@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 17:44:56 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: usb wierdness...way OT References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh it's easy. In the natural world, Mice and leaf blowers are enemies. Only in our domesticated verities, can you find them together, and then it's a shaky truce. USB mice are especially tasty, and therefore are the cause of your problem. My Againinator ate 3 of my mice before they finally learned to play dead as yours have done. Mark Sottilaro rich wrote: > in light of the mac inquiries today and talk of firewire and usb... > > i thought i would share this little anomaly. > > at work, i sit near a window on the ground level. i have 4 mac g4's > in my department. occasionally, the landscape guys come by with > their mowers, leafblowers, etc. > > every time, one of the guys comes down the path outside my window, > with his leafblower. This is a gas powered leafblower. and EVERY > time he comes by, the two g4's that are nearest the window have their > mice lock up. > > seriously. all you have to do is unplug the mouse and plug it back > into the keyboard and you're off and running again (which took me a > while to figure out and stop doing hard reboots). but it's the > wierdest thing i've ever seen from a mac. > > ahhhhh! watch out! here comes the leafblower! > > any tech heads out there willing to venture a guess? > > rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 20:48:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09912; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:47:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:47:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BC4EBEB.9D1929C6@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 17:46:36 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mac looper: Phrazer, Mixman or...? References: <3BC4BDEF.78A2B6F7@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why, the internet, of course. I found her personal add while doing a search for "Eno" True story. Mark. Tom Ritchford wrote: > Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > >My wife is starting to get into computer based looping. > > Lucky bastard! Where do you FIND these girls?? > > /t > > http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. > http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. > http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 20:58:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10442; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:57:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:57:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011010205230.00802820@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:52:30 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Mac looper: Phrazer, Mixman or...? In-Reply-To: <3BC4EBEB.9D1929C6@zerocrossing.net> References: <3BC4BDEF.78A2B6F7@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Your search for Eno resulted in marriage? Wow... -t At 05:46 PM 10/10/01 -0700, you wrote: >Why, the internet, of course. I found her personal add while doing a >search for "Eno" > >True story. > >Mark. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 21:01:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11694; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:00:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:00:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3BC4EB87.E58646FE@zerocrossing.net> References: <3BC4EB87.E58646FE@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:59:36 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: usb wierdness...way OT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:48 PM -0700 10/10/01, rich wrote: >every time, one of the guys comes down the path outside my window, >with his leafblower. This is a gas powered leafblower. and EVERY >time he comes by, the two g4's that are nearest the window have >their mice lock up. DISCLAIMER: I am not an electrician but my guess is: The spark plug in the leaf blower acts as a little radio transmitter (an impulse generator in fact) and your perhaps poorly grounded local power system is receiving these signals and putting spikes into your computers' power systems, which (surprisingly, since the G4s have good power supplies) is causing the USB controller to lose track of your mouse somehow (waves hands here). two words: power conditioner. (and a few more: bad power from the wall -- not good. I'll bet you have a lot of light bulbs burning out...) if your computers are just plugged into the wall, or into a power bar, you are at risk if the power isn't perfect. The computers themselves should be pretty well shielded -- computers generate a whopping amount of interference. The fact that you get interference get a cheap, decent UPS (uninterruptable power supply) -- most of them act as a power conditioner and will give you a few minutes to shut down if the power goes out or if someone kicks the plug out of the wall. the cost is small compared to the cost of the computer and it's like insurance... one power spike can ruin your whole rack, one brownout can screw up your hard disk. Some UPS are not applicable for music because they introduce a hum (though I hear anecdotally that has been fixed in newer models). Do make sure you can take it back if that's the case. /t http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 21:04:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11862; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:02:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:02:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: TomHeasley@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:01:47 EDT Subject: electric tuba tour rolls on To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c0.1bfd06dd.28f6497b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10540 Resent-Message-ID: <9ol36.A.E5C.h-Ox7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_c0.1bfd06dd.28f6497b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I've heard rumors to the effect that comments have been posted to the list re: some of my recent concerts around the U.S. and Canada. I just today subscribed from the aol address I've been using on tour. Thought it might be worth mentioning that I'm open to offers/suggestions re: performances on the way home to Palo Alto, California (I'm near Syracuse, NY, tonight). I keep thinking I'm done, and another offer comes up. Looks like Oberlin Conservatory in Ohio sometime next week, and I've just been offered something in Minnesota the second week of November... Best, Tom Heasley --part1_c0.1bfd06dd.28f6497b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi,

I've heard rumors to the effect that comments have been posted to the list re: some of my recent concerts around the U.S. and Canada.  I just today subscribed from the aol address I've been using on tour.  Thought it might be worth mentioning that I'm open to offers/suggestions re: performances on the way home to Palo Alto, California (I'm near Syracuse, NY, tonight).

I keep thinking I'm done, and another offer comes up.  Looks like Oberlin Conservatory in Ohio sometime next week, and I've just been offered something in Minnesota the second week of November...

Best,

Tom Heasley --part1_c0.1bfd06dd.28f6497b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 21:41:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13534; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:39:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:39:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011010213441.008039e0@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:34:41 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: electric tuba tour rolls on In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:01 PM 10/10/01 EDT, Tom Heasley wrote: > Thought it might be worth mentioning that I'm open to offers/suggestions >re: performances on the way home to Palo Alto, California (I'm near >Syracuse, NY, tonight). And if anyone's not able to catch Tom in performance as he heads back west, I highly recommend checking out his CD 'where the earth meets the sky' on Hypnos ... I've been enjoying this disc for a couple of weeks now, and can say that even if you don't think you'd find a tuba appealing, Mr. Heasley quite effectively makes it so. Great ambient soundscape loopage with much more than great low-end going on, recorded by Robert Rich. Ya gotta hear it. -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 22:11:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16970; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:10:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:10:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BC4AB52.28FD067@pseudobuddha.com> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:10:58 +0100 From: Bobdog Reply-To: bobdog@pseudobuddha.com Organization: Pseudo Buddha X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CT-Collective@yahoogroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Miko Biffle Subject: OT-Need help w/doubleneck wiring References: <983453401.19801063.35889.l10@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i have devised a doubleneck out of a kramer bass & a chiquita travel guitar but i'm having a wiring problem: each instrument sounds great when switched solo, but when i switch to both (using a standard switchcraft les paul style relay switch) both pickups lose a bit of amplitude. it's a subtle thing but enough to bug me. by adjusting the vol pot (500k) of one down, the other will regain most of it's amplitude, but i want to use both necks at once w/o making adjustments. each neck has one dimarzio pickup. i've tried a les paul style wiring, i've tried a jazz bass style wiring, i've tried rick 4001 style wiring; the problem remains to a different degree each way. *switching phase didn't solve the problem* i'm thinking it's some kinda load problem, so i'm gonna try some emg low impedence active pickups today. i'm also thinking about a 1:1 transformer combiner kinda thing. thoughts? any other suggestions? bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 22:24:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17470; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:23:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:23:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c151fb$6d8b2040$96a9fea9@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <3BC4EB87.E58646FE@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: usb wierdness...way OT Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:21:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well then, let's hear it for USB MIDI/Audio interfaces!!!! eeeeeerrrrrrr ...... Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 8:44 PM Subject: Re: usb wierdness...way OT > Oh it's easy. In the natural world, Mice and leaf blowers are enemies. > Only in our domesticated verities, can you find them together, and then > it's a shaky truce. USB mice are especially tasty, and therefore are > the cause of your problem. My Againinator ate 3 of my mice before they > finally learned to play dead as yours have done. > > Mark Sottilaro > > > > rich wrote: > > > in light of the mac inquiries today and talk of firewire and usb... > > > > i thought i would share this little anomaly. > > > > at work, i sit near a window on the ground level. i have 4 mac g4's > > in my department. occasionally, the landscape guys come by with > > their mowers, leafblowers, etc. > > > > every time, one of the guys comes down the path outside my window, > > with his leafblower. This is a gas powered leafblower. and EVERY > > time he comes by, the two g4's that are nearest the window have their > > mice lock up. > > > > seriously. all you have to do is unplug the mouse and plug it back > > into the keyboard and you're off and running again (which took me a > > while to figure out and stop doing hard reboots). but it's the > > wierdest thing i've ever seen from a mac. > > > > ahhhhh! watch out! here comes the leafblower! > > > > any tech heads out there willing to venture a guess? > > > > rich > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 10 22:27:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17685; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:26:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:26:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f601c151fc$b8958660$8844e540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <007101c151bc$428860e0$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: EDP Wish List - (was: stereo delay) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:30:37 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com * Stereo (while still just in one rack space) * Half speed record/playback option Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.mp3.com/dreamSTATE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 11 00:33:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27269; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 00:32:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 00:32:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011010121728.025d4e78@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:29:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? In-Reply-To: <004501c151a2$7dfd7940$0e0aa8c0@den> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com that's a good start Doug. you are starting to get the idea, but I think your numbers are still on the optimistic side. I suggest the following adjustments to your assumptions: - in low volume electronics production, everything costs much more. Parts, fabrication, packaging, whatever. Anything you think you know about costs from looking at prices of consumer electronics products or PCs is way off from reality for electronic musical instruments. Your $150 COGS will be a bit too low for what I would expect a next-gen looper to cost to manufacture, based on what sort of processing, display, audio components, controls, memory, i/o, etc it would have to have. I would guess it between $200-$300 if we don't get too fancy. - In the niches of the musical instrument industry, I would consider selling 1000 units in a year to be quite a big success for mid-range rack mount stuff. Most things probably won't sell that well. Sustaining that for several years is not likely. Your 2000 unit/year number would be a smash hit, probably beyond the realistic size of the looper market at this time. Maybe it will grow that big, but it is not there now. - sales on esoteric new products can be weird. Musicians are very conservative in general, and don't really go for new things. So if you introduce a new kind of product you might see good sales at first as all the really experimental types get it to try, then a big fall off while others wait to see what they think. if it is good sales will grow slowly as the advance users figure it out and start incorporating it in music that others begin to hear. That vast majority won't even think about it at all until they see their favorite musician icon using it in a hit song they like. That can take years. So after all your R&D expense, you have to be ready to ride this out. - $2M R&D is probably a comfortable number for a normal industry, although in the MI industry people usually cut a lot of corners to do things for less because they can't afford it. (with the associated risks of taking shortcuts coming into play later, usually). You might be able to do this for $1M, although most of that would go into salaries for engineers and other key people. Add in marketing related R&D, prototyping, lab equipment, travel, computers, development tools and such things and maybe we call it $1.5M. So depending on how complete of a job we do, it may range between $1-2M. Basically, you have to realize that a looper is a complicated electronic system. Much more so than your average effects processor. It takes a lot of difficult engineering, and it's the same cost to develop whether you are going to sell 500 or 500,000. In small volume products, a lot more of those development costs show up in the price you pay. So play with those numbers. What kind of prices are realistic for a small company trying to make a "modern" looper and remain in business? (by any standard measure of corporate size, even Gibson is a small company. In fact, the entire musical instrument industry combined is smaller than many mid-sized corporations.) How frequently will such a company be able to afford to design a new version of it? Every year? two years? 5 years? longer? How long does their product have to be able to last in the market? Is it possible that line6 is right, in saying it isn't worth it to pay the cost of a programmer to add more looper functions to their delay? How big of a risk do you think Electrix is taking by betting it all on the Repeater, and what is their business prognosis given their pricing? This is not an easy business. Look at Alesis. A few years ago, they had one of the hugest hit products ever with the ADAT. Now they are bankrupt! There are a lot of those stories. kim At 08:44 AM 10/10/2001, Doug Cox wrote: >Since I don't have experience in the audio hardware development field, I >have to make some broad assumptions. I'm sure Kim will let me know where >I'm wrong. > >If $2 million was spent on R&D, including the labor and materials for >development, testing, market analysis, etc... everything that R&D implies, >these $s can be put on the balance sheet and amortized over 5-7 years. >Let's use 5 years for conservatism. That's $400k per year of amortized >(non-cash) expense. > >Let's say that following the R&D effort, the organization had an ongoing >overhead cost of $1M per year. That's just for executives, sales/marketing, >haircuts, etc. > >Let's say that the ongoing cost of production is $150 per unit. That >includes materials, labor, equipment depreciation, any licensing costs, etc. >"Cost of goods sold", as the beanheads call it. Let's also say that this >$150 per unit figure assumes that 2000 units are produced and sold every >year. > >So: > >$400,000 R&D Amort. >$1,000,000 Overhead >= $1.4M general expenses annually >divded by 2000 units >= $700 per unit of overhead costs >+ $150 per unit mfg costs >= $850 per unit total costs > >If the company wants to earn a 15% return, they'd need to charge $1,000 per >unit > >All of this ignores transportation costs, which seems to be an important >issue in the current EDP scenario. Although I lumped a lot of things into >those 2 general expense categories, I may have left out other important >costs too... > >Is this even close? How do other complex pieces of audio hardware get >developed and sold for less? Obviously, if the same company can spread that >$1m per year of overhead across multiple product lines, each one gets >cheaper. Same is true for some of the manufacturing costs... Finally, >economies of scale kick in for wildly popular products - if I can make and >sell much more than 2000 per year, my costs per unit will drop dramatically. > >Hey, you asked... and I assumed you were at least 50% serious. At least >Kim, Andy, Matthias, et. al. could use this as a starting discussion point, >and help us understand the costs involved. Or not :) > >Doug ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 11 01:19:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA31517; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 01:18:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 01:18:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:18:53 -0700 Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-848013606 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011010121728.025d4e78@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: <765E2D28-BE07-11D5-BB5B-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1-848013606 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed If anyone's interested in a blow by blow account of the rise and fall of such things, check out the book "Vintage Synthesizer" by Mark Vail. It's chock full of true life stories of such events. Frankly, when Electrix discontinued it's entire product line to focus on the Repeater, I though Uh-oh. How could they sustain an entire company on one esoteric product? Seems crazy, but I'm not a business man. Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, October 10, 2001, at 09:29 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > > that's a good start Doug. you are starting to get the idea, but I think > your numbers are still on the optimistic side. > > I suggest the following adjustments to your assumptions: > - in low volume electronics production, everything costs much more. > Parts, fabrication, packaging, whatever. Anything you think you know > about costs from looking at prices of consumer electronics products or > PCs is way off from reality for electronic musical instruments. Your > $150 COGS will be a bit too low for what I would expect a next-gen > looper to cost to manufacture, based on what sort of processing, > display, audio components, controls, memory, i/o, etc it would have to > have. I would guess it between $200-$300 if we don't get too fancy. > > - In the niches of the musical instrument industry, I would consider > selling 1000 units in a year to be quite a big success for mid-range > rack mount stuff. Most things probably won't sell that well. Sustaining > that for several years is not likely. Your 2000 unit/year number would > be a smash hit, probably beyond the realistic size of the looper market > at this time. Maybe it will grow that big, but it is not there now. > > - sales on esoteric new products can be weird. Musicians are very > conservative in general, and don't really go for new things. So if you > introduce a new kind of product you might see good sales at first as > all the really experimental types get it to try, then a big fall off > while others wait to see what they think. if it is good sales will grow > slowly as the advance users figure it out and start incorporating it in > music that others begin to hear. That vast majority won't even think > about it at all until they see their favorite musician icon using it in > a hit song they like. That can take years. So after all your R&D > expense, you have to be ready to ride this out. > > - $2M R&D is probably a comfortable number for a normal industry, > although in the MI industry people usually cut a lot of corners to do > things for less because they can't afford it. (with the associated > risks of taking shortcuts coming into play later, usually). You might > be able to do this for $1M, although most of that would go into > salaries for engineers and other key people. Add in marketing related > R&D, prototyping, lab equipment, travel, computers, development tools > and such things and maybe we call it $1.5M. So depending on how > complete of a job we do, it may range between $1-2M. Basically, you > have to realize that a looper is a complicated electronic system. Much > more so than your average effects processor. It takes a lot of > difficult engineering, and it's the same cost to develop whether you > are going to sell 500 or 500,000. In small volume products, a lot more > of those development costs show up in the price you pay. > > > So play with those numbers. What kind of prices are realistic for a > small company trying to make a "modern" looper and remain in business? > (by any standard measure of corporate size, even Gibson is a small > company. In fact, the entire musical instrument industry combined is > smaller than many mid-sized corporations.) How frequently will such a > company be able to afford to design a new version of it? Every year? > two years? 5 years? longer? How long does their product have to be able > to last in the market? Is it possible that line6 is right, in saying it > isn't worth it to pay the cost of a programmer to add more looper > functions to their delay? How big of a risk do you think Electrix is > taking by betting it all on the Repeater, and what is their business > prognosis given their pricing? > > This is not an easy business. Look at Alesis. A few years ago, they had > one of the hugest hit products ever with the ADAT. Now they are > bankrupt! There are a lot of those stories. > > kim > > > At 08:44 AM 10/10/2001, Doug Cox wrote: >> Since I don't have experience in the audio hardware development >> field, I >> have to make some broad assumptions. I'm sure Kim will let me know >> where >> I'm wrong. >> >> If $2 million was spent on R&D, including the labor and materials for >> development, testing, market analysis, etc... everything that R&D >> implies, >> these $s can be put on the balance sheet and amortized over 5-7 years. >> Let's use 5 years for conservatism. That's $400k per year of amortized >> (non-cash) expense. >> >> Let's say that following the R&D effort, the organization had an >> ongoing >> overhead cost of $1M per year. That's just for executives, >> sales/marketing, >> haircuts, etc. >> >> Let's say that the ongoing cost of production is $150 per unit. That >> includes materials, labor, equipment depreciation, any licensing >> costs, etc. >> "Cost of goods sold", as the beanheads call it. Let's also say that >> this >> $150 per unit figure assumes that 2000 units are produced and sold >> every >> year. >> >> So: >> >> $400,000 R&D Amort. >> $1,000,000 Overhead >> = $1.4M general expenses annually >> divded by 2000 units >> = $700 per unit of overhead costs >> + $150 per unit mfg costs >> = $850 per unit total costs >> >> If the company wants to earn a 15% return, they'd need to charge >> $1,000 per >> unit >> >> All of this ignores transportation costs, which seems to be an >> important >> issue in the current EDP scenario. Although I lumped a lot of things >> into >> those 2 general expense categories, I may have left out other important >> costs too... >> >> Is this even close? How do other complex pieces of audio hardware get >> developed and sold for less? Obviously, if the same company can >> spread that >> $1m per year of overhead across multiple product lines, each one gets >> cheaper. Same is true for some of the manufacturing costs... Finally, >> economies of scale kick in for wildly popular products - if I can make >> and >> sell much more than 2000 per year, my costs per unit will drop >> dramatically. >> >> Hey, you asked... and I assumed you were at least 50% serious. At >> least >> Kim, Andy, Matthias, et. al. could use this as a starting discussion >> point, >> and help us understand the costs involved. Or not :) >> >> Doug > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > --Apple-Mail-1-848013606 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII If anyone's interested in a blow by blow account of the rise and fall of such things, check out the book "Vintage Synthesizer" by VerdanaMark Vail. It's chock full of true life stories of such events. Frankly, when Electrix discontinued it's entire product line to focus on the Repeater, I though Uh-oh. How could they sustain an entire company on one esoteric product? Seems crazy, but I'm not a business man. Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, October 10, 2001, at 09:29 PM, Kim Flint wrote: that's a good start Doug. you are starting to get the idea, but I think your numbers are still on the optimistic side. I suggest the following adjustments to your assumptions: - in low volume electronics production, everything costs much more. Parts, fabrication, packaging, whatever. Anything you think you know about costs from looking at prices of consumer electronics products or PCs is way off from reality for electronic musical instruments. Your $150 COGS will be a bit too low for what I would expect a next-gen looper to cost to manufacture, based on what sort of processing, display, audio components, controls, memory, i/o, etc it would have to have. I would guess it between $200-$300 if we don't get too fancy. - In the niches of the musical instrument industry, I would consider selling 1000 units in a year to be quite a big success for mid-range rack mount stuff. Most things probably won't sell that well. Sustaining that for several years is not likely. Your 2000 unit/year number would be a smash hit, probably beyond the realistic size of the looper market at this time. Maybe it will grow that big, but it is not there now. - sales on esoteric new products can be weird. Musicians are very conservative in general, and don't really go for new things. So if you introduce a new kind of product you might see good sales at first as all the really experimental types get it to try, then a big fall off while others wait to see what they think. if it is good sales will grow slowly as the advance users figure it out and start incorporating it in music that others begin to hear. That vast majority won't even think about it at all until they see their favorite musician icon using it in a hit song they like. That can take years. So after all your R&D expense, you have to be ready to ride this out. - $2M R&D is probably a comfortable number for a normal industry, although in the MI industry people usually cut a lot of corners to do things for less because they can't afford it. (with the associated risks of taking shortcuts coming into play later, usually). You might be able to do this for $1M, although most of that would go into salaries for engineers and other key people. Add in marketing related R&D, prototyping, lab equipment, travel, computers, development tools and such things and maybe we call it $1.5M. So depending on how complete of a job we do, it may range between $1-2M. Basically, you have to realize that a looper is a complicated electronic system. Much more so than your average effects processor. It takes a lot of difficult engineering, and it's the same cost to develop whether you are going to sell 500 or 500,000. In small volume products, a lot more of those development costs show up in the price you pay. So play with those numbers. What kind of prices are realistic for a small company trying to make a "modern" looper and remain in business? (by any standard measure of corporate size, even Gibson is a small company. In fact, the entire musical instrument industry combined is smaller than many mid-sized corporations.) How frequently will such a company be able to afford to design a new version of it? Every year? two years? 5 years? longer? How long does their product have to be able to last in the market? Is it possible that line6 is right, in saying it isn't worth it to pay the cost of a programmer to add more looper functions to their delay? How big of a risk do you think Electrix is taking by betting it all on the Repeater, and what is their business prognosis given their pricing? This is not an easy business. Look at Alesis. A few years ago, they had one of the hugest hit products ever with the ADAT. Now they are bankrupt! There are a lot of those stories. kim At 08:44 AM 10/10/2001, Doug Cox wrote: Since I don't have experience in the audio hardware development field, I have to make some broad assumptions. I'm sure Kim will let me know where I'm wrong. If $2 million was spent on R&D, including the labor and materials for development, testing, market analysis, etc... everything that R&D implies, these $s can be put on the balance sheet and amortized over 5-7 years. Let's use 5 years for conservatism. That's $400k per year of amortized (non-cash) expense. Let's say that following the R&D effort, the organization had an ongoing overhead cost of $1M per year. That's just for executives, sales/marketing, haircuts, etc. Let's say that the ongoing cost of production is $150 per unit. That includes materials, labor, equipment depreciation, any licensing costs, etc. "Cost of goods sold", as the beanheads call it. Let's also say that this $150 per unit figure assumes that 2000 units are produced and sold every year. So: $400,000 R&D Amort. $1,000,000 Overhead = $1.4M general expenses annually divded by 2000 units = $700 per unit of overhead costs + $150 per unit mfg costs = $850 per unit total costs If the company wants to earn a 15% return, they'd need to charge $1,000 per unit All of this ignores transportation costs, which seems to be an important issue in the current EDP scenario. Although I lumped a lot of things into those 2 general expense categories, I may have left out other important costs too... Is this even close? How do other complex pieces of audio hardware get developed and sold for less? Obviously, if the same company can spread that $1m per year of overhead across multiple product lines, each one gets cheaper. Same is true for some of the manufacturing costs... Finally, economies of scale kick in for wildly popular products - if I can make and sell much more than 2000 per year, my costs per unit will drop dramatically. Hey, you asked... and I assumed you were at least 50% serious. At least Kim, Andy, Matthias, et. al. could use this as a starting discussion point, and help us understand the costs involved. Or not :) Doug ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1-848013606-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 11 02:21:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA04844; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 02:20:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 02:20:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011010231618.026fae00@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 23:17:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP Wish List - (was: stereo delay) In-Reply-To: <00f601c151fc$b8958660$8844e540@sunspot> References: <007101c151bc$428860e0$080210ac@jpalmer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:30 PM 10/10/2001, Scott McGregor Moore wrote: >* Stereo (while still just in one rack space) >* Half speed record/playback option you get one of your wishes without any new hardware, LoopIV is coming! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 11 02:40:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA05650; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 02:39:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 02:39:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011010234550.021d68e8@pop.mindspring.com> X-Files: The truth is out there. Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 23:46:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: EDP Wish List - (was: stereo delay) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011010231618.026fae00@loopers-delight.com> References: <00f601c151fc$b8958660$8844e540@sunspot> <007101c151bc$428860e0$080210ac@jpalmer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com tease! At 11:17 PM 10/10/2001, kim wrote: >At 07:30 PM 10/10/2001, Scott McGregor Moore wrote: >>* Stereo (while still just in one rack space) >>* Half speed record/playback option > >you get one of your wishes without any new hardware, LoopIV is coming! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 11 03:13:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA09229; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 03:12:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 03:12:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c15223$f90a0140$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: <007101c151bc$428860e0$080210ac@jpalmer> <5.1.0.14.2.20011010231618.026fae00@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: EDP Wish List - (was: stereo delay) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 00:11:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ack! Where do I pre-order?? ! Cliff :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 11:17 PM Subject: Re: EDP Wish List - (was: stereo delay) > At 07:30 PM 10/10/2001, Scott McGregor Moore wrote: > >* Stereo (while still just in one rack space) > >* Half speed record/playback option > > you get one of your wishes without any new hardware, LoopIV is coming! > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 11 04:34:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA13535; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 04:33:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 04:33:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a001c1522f$50091e80$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <3BC4BDEF.78A2B6F7@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Mac looper: Phrazer, Mixman or...? Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:32:41 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Sent: 11 October 2001 01:34 AM Subject: Re: Mac looper: Phrazer, Mixman or...? > Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > >My wife is starting to get into computer based looping. > > Lucky bastard! Where do you FIND these girls?? > Warning! The above should not be taken to be an endorsement of Internet-borne romance as a guarantee that one will find women that will begin to collaborate with you on your music! While my own wife is quite supportive she doesn't participate in my projects, at least at this time. She knows that eventually I will use her voice in a sampled form, but that's about it folks. I should also say that this particular point does not diverge from The Way I Thought It Was Going To Be, either. :) No! Not the spatula! Anything but that! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 11 04:35:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA13695; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 04:34:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 04:34:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a401c1522f$8b424080$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: usb wierdness...way OT Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:34:26 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > in light of the mac inquiries today and talk of firewire and usb... > > i thought i would share this little anomaly. > > at work, i sit near a window on the ground level. i have 4 mac g4's > in my department. occasionally, the landscape guys come by with > their mowers, leafblowers, etc. > > every time, one of the guys comes down the path outside my window, > with his leafblower. This is a gas powered leafblower. and EVERY > time he comes by, the two g4's that are nearest the window have their > mice lock up. > > seriously. all you have to do is unplug the mouse and plug it back > into the keyboard and you're off and running again (which took me a > while to figure out and stop doing hard reboots). but it's the > wierdest thing i've ever seen from a mac. > > ahhhhh! watch out! here comes the leafblower! > > any tech heads out there willing to venture a guess? Perhaps a cheap experiment would be to buy the fellow a new spark plug, gapped correctly. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 11 04:40:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA13915; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 04:39:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 04:39:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b201c15230$1dcbfc20$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011010114306.04a25790@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Totally Off Topic Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:38:29 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for erring on the side of democracy and free speech, then, Kim! One finds that over time most long-lasting online communities self-equalize in the manner you've seen, and that outbreaks like those following the Sept. 11 Atrocities are more than natural given what happened. Perhaps someday one or several of us will write about the quasi-organic nature of this kind of thing. From: "Kim Flint" > I don't believe in censorship, or dictatorships of any sort. I think a > community should be able to sort out its own problems, and take > responsibility for it's own actions, both as individuals and as a group. > That's how I "run" this list. In other words, this list is basically > operating as an anarchical community. To me that does not mean chaos or > lack of responsibility for one's actions, it means everybody is *equally* > responsible for the success and well-being of the group. > > That being said, the truth is I was one mouse click away from permanently > banning a number of people from this list during that particular week. Not > for whatever argument they were making, but for simply refusing to respect > the list and rest of the group. I decided to sleep on it, and the next > morning changed my mind about exercising that much power and setting that > precedent. The principle worked and the community sorted itself out within > a few days, saving me the trouble. I was glad that it worked out that way, > and I think it's generally a testament to the good qualities of this group > that it did. > > kim > > > At 10:43 AM 10/10/2001, K. Douglas Baldwin wrote: > >Dear Loopers- > > A sincere thanks to all who helped with my search for the elusive band > >Chrysalis and what has become of their members. Special props to Kevin > >Miller, Jim Palmer, James Pokorny, and especially to Dr. Richard Zvonar, who > >led me to the motherlode. > > A brief comment, again off-topic: In the days immediately following > >September 11, we were all enmeshed in a swirl of communication regarding the > >tragedy of that day. At that time, I subscribed to two newsgroups: the Boss > >GT-3 multi-effects pedal gang, and, obviously, the Looperheads. The GT-3 > >group fell to a lower level of argument, and the group overlord (whatever > >you call guys like Kim) actually CENSORED many people's comments before they > >were posted. I unsubscribed in protest and urged others to do the same. On > >the other hand, the vibe here at Loopers Delight, while very emotional and > >quite off-topic at times, remained very positive overall. A special > >thank-you to Kim for remaining cool in the face of so much back-and-forth, > >and not once even mentioning the words "off topic." > > I believe that the process of looping has a positive instructive > >quality: we continuously reexperience our actions. Because of this, I am > >continuously warmed by the good vibes of Loopers Delight. > > Group hug! > >Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster > >dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 11 05:29:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA16627; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 05:28:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 05:28:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Andy Ewen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Looper development and production costs? Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 04:28:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've already considered putting two boards in a 2U chassis, but there are some quite high associated costs:- All new metalwork drawings, prototyping etc, All new packaging, with minimum order quantities to get a half-decent price. I do give very good discounts for customers who want to buy a pair for stereo looping; but that's only limited to the few I've been selling direct. I will be reporting all of these ideas to our big Boss-man when he comes over from the US in a couple of weeks. I may be able to persuade the US distribution to offer deals on pairs and I'll keep the list informed. Andy. -----Original Message----- From: Hans Lindauer [mailto:hans@ernieball.com] Sent: 10 October 2001 21:29 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Looper development and production costs? Why couldn't you just take two of the EDP boards and put them into a 2U chassis? Or even sell them as stereo pairs at a discounted price? -Hans > Subject: RE: Looper development and production costs? > Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:08:17 -0500 > From: Andy Ewen > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > This is great stuff. I am totally serious about this as it is a very > interesting subject. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 11 05:43:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA17091; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 05:42:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 05:42:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Andy Ewen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Looper development and production costs? Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 04:42:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Unfortunately, yes. Many of the parts used in the current EDP are obsolete, subsequently very rare and expensive. This is a major contribution to the manufactured cost resulting in the high retail price which seems to be a major issue, (and rightly so). The software works well; the hardware is obsolete. We have 3000 Crystal codecs in our parts store due to difficulty in supply. These cost $15 each and that's just one small part. Having said that, the hardware is so tried and tested now, that the units we produce are super-reliable. Oh, the joys of manufacture in the music industry :) -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Comens [mailto:bcomens@corelli.nexus.it] Sent: 10 October 2001 19:11 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? but does the edp need to be redesigned from scratch? aren't we talking about additions to a product that already works extremelly well? ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Ewen To: Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 1:08 PM Subject: RE: Looper development and production costs? > This is great stuff. I am totally serious about this as it is a very > interesting subject. > However, there are a couple of points that I would make: > If we are talking a Looping Device here, the best ever conceived by far, it > would still probably not sell in these quantities and certainly not for more > than a few years. The competition would catch up making further R&D > investment necessary to keep it at the forefront. > Manufactured cost for such a device, assuming it is made in the UK, is > likely to be at least double what you have suggested, maybe more. > Gibson require at least a 30% return on all products bearing the Gibson > name. > It would then have to go through the chain of distribution and then retail, > probably 50% then 50%, then local taxes before the user gets it, this would, > on your calculations make it about the same price as a small family car. > Oh, and the transport costs which you mention, but cannot be overlooked, UK > to US, UK to Europe Australia etc. > > Taking these points into account, how viable a project is it? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Cox [mailto:bickleypunk@pdq.net] > Sent: 10 October 2001 16:45 > To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Looper development and production costs? > > > Since I don't have experience in the audio hardware development field, I > have to make some broad assumptions. I'm sure Kim will let me know where > I'm wrong. > > If $2 million was spent on R&D, including the labor and materials for > development, testing, market analysis, etc... everything that R&D implies, > these $s can be put on the balance sheet and amortized over 5-7 years. > Let's use 5 years for conservatism. That's $400k per year of amortized > (non-cash) expense. > > Let's say that following the R&D effort, the organization had an ongoing > overhead cost of $1M per year. That's just for executives, sales/marketing, > haircuts, etc. > > Let's say that the ongoing cost of production is $150 per unit. That > includes materials, labor, equipment depreciation, any licensing costs, etc. > "Cost of goods sold", as the beanheads call it. Let's also say that this > $150 per unit figure assumes that 2000 units are produced and sold every > year. > > So: > > $400,000 R&D Amort. > $1,000,000 Overhead > = $1.4M general expenses annually > divded by 2000 units > = $700 per unit of overhead costs > + $150 per unit mfg costs > = $850 per unit total costs > > If the company wants to earn a 15% return, they'd need to charge $1,000 per > unit > > All of this ignores transportation costs, which seems to be an important > issue in the current EDP scenario. Although I lumped a lot of things into > those 2 general expense categories, I may have left out other important > costs too... > > Is this even close? How do other complex pieces of audio hardware get > developed and sold for less? Obviously, if the same company can spread that > $1m per year of overhead across multiple product lines, each one gets > cheaper. Same is true for some of the manufacturing costs... Finally, > economies of scale kick in for wildly popular products - if I can make and > sell much more than 2000 per year, my costs per unit will drop dramatically. > > Hey, you asked... and I assumed you were at least 50% serious. At least > Kim, Andy, Matthias, et. al. could use this as a starting discussion point, > and help us understand the costs involved. Or not :) > > Doug > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 11 06:10:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA19481; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 06:09:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 06:09:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003c01c152cb$cc72d140$02000003@mpx.com.au> From: "cameron street" To: References: <12d.5d373b2.28f5da0e@aol.com> Subject: Re: dl-4 left button malfunction Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 20:12:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have'nt had a button wear out yet, maybe it needs a spray. But i understand the confussion about programming. i did the same thing, the "why can everyone else work this thing out but i can't" vibe. and the manual did'n help me much. What i found was to pick the delay you want, turn the dial to where you want the thing go, it should move. then do the hold the 3 sec hold function. i think that's how it's done. ? i only have a 3 that i programmed that i use. cam ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 10:06 AM Subject: dl-4 left button malfunction > L00p3rz, > > After reading someone's post about Line-6's undiplomatic response to inquiries by a member of our special community, I think it's time to re-evaluate my praise of their monsterous green machine. Specifically because, a little over a year after my purchase, the far left button (the one used for initial record and overdub functions) has become intermittently unusable. > > Sometimes, it won't begin recording. Other times, it won't end recording and go into overdub, just continue recording as if I hadn't pressed it. Still other times, it will do this strange thing where it becomes a short delay without infinite repeat, where both led's for record and overdub are indicated, but the loop does not keep getting louder, only delays infinitely until a new note is played, at which point that note, completely by itself (without overdubbing over previous sounds) will delay infinitely. > > I have enjoyed this pedal for a while. As a result of it, I am now dependent on having a delay that utilizes tap tempo. Preferably one that also takes batteries. But, after recently aquiring the Boss loop station, I have realized how constricting the 28 second loop time really is when you're dealing with a device that only handles single loops. > > The programming function made absolutely no sense to me ever. There was never any problem with the middle two presets. I just could never get the programmed parameters of the left location (even before it went kapputt) to come back to me when I switched delay models, even after setting both high and low. That's when I learned that there you can only preset the parameters once, and those parameters would apply to all the delay models when you switched, so if you set the knob that made "bass" high on one model, that might mean that "tape flutter" would be set high when you switched presets. Somehow, this explanation didn't make sense either. > > So, I wonder if anyone has any recommendations. 1. Can the switch be fixed? 2. What is the real programming deal with the unit 3. What delay PEDALS that sound even remotely alright offer realtime control of delay time with either a tap or sync (I know Big Briar has a pedal control on the Moog analog delay, but $600 is a tad steep) Battery option is mucho importante (I busk, camp, jam with drum circles, and generally like to play far away from things like electrical outlets) . . . Thanks in advance for your answers, and to tap into this very knowledgeable if slightly schizophrenic brain trust > > Anyone? > aaroneous > > P.S. Don't let the hair comments get you down, Kim. You'd still make the ultimate bartender at the Intergallactic Loopers' Saloon! (Just wrap that beaver tail in a net before pouring my scotch, if you don't mind!) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 11 07:50:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA24285; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 07:49:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 07:49:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004501c1524b$54fbd6a0$1244e540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <007101c151bc$428860e0$080210ac@jpalmer> <5.1.0.14.2.20011010231618.026fae00@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: EDP Wish List - (was: stereo delay) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 07:53:24 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > At 07:30 PM 10/10/2001, Scott McGregor Moore wrote: > >* Stereo (while still just in one rack space) > >* Half speed record/playback option > > you get one of your wishes without any new hardware, LoopIV is coming! > > kim Woohoo - That's great news! I have friends who get the most wonderful textures from using half speed on their boomerangs. (though the lo-fi sound quality may contribute to that. ???) Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.mp3.com/dreamSTATE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 11 07:50:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA24274; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 07:49:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 07:49:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c15263$2ba41ca0$0101a8c0@pavilion> From: "brian mulvey" To: Subject: Fw: usb wierdness...way OT Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 07:44:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com it would be really cool if it was the other way around.. clicking the mouse shuts off the leaf blower... ++ brian david mulvey ++ ++ brian@typocalypse.com ++ ++ GRAPHIC DESIGN: www.typocalypse.com ++ ++ FM RADIO PROGRAM: www.typocalypse.com/radio.htm ++ ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen P. Goodman To: Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 1:34 AM Subject: Re: usb wierdness...way OT > > in light of the mac inquiries today and talk of firewire and usb... > > > > i thought i would share this little anomaly. > > > > at work, i sit near a window on the ground level. i have 4 mac g4's > > in my department. occasionally, the landscape guys come by with > > their mowers, leafblowers, etc. > > > > every time, one of the guys comes down the path outside my window, > > with his leafblower. This is a gas powered leafblower. and EVERY > > time he comes by, the two g4's that are nearest the window have their > > mice lock up. > > > > seriously. all you have to do is unplug the mouse and plug it back > > into the keyboard and you're off and running again (which took me a > > while to figure out and stop doing hard reboots). but it's the > > wierdest thing i've ever seen from a mac. > > > > ahhhhh! watch out! here comes the leafblower! > > > > any tech heads out there willing to venture a guess? > > Perhaps a cheap experiment would be to buy the fellow a new spark plug, > gapped correctly. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 11 09:46:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA31527; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:44:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:44:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BC5A290.75829235@pathcom.com> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:45:53 -0400 From: hutton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: electric tuba tour rolls on References: <3.0.5.32.20011010213441.008039e0@pop.metrocast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I met Tom in Toronto just two weeks ago. His performance was astonishing! Think tuba ...... Think Ambiance music! Do not miss his tour ......... This is the most fascinating show I have heard in a while! Tim Nelson wrote: > At 09:01 PM 10/10/01 EDT, Tom Heasley wrote: > > Thought it might be worth mentioning that I'm open to offers/suggestions > >re: performances on the way home to Palo Alto, California (I'm near > >Syracuse, NY, tonight). > > And if anyone's not able to catch Tom in performance as he heads back west, > I highly recommend checking out his CD 'where the earth meets the sky' on > Hypnos ... > > I've been enjoying this disc for a couple of weeks now, and can say that > even if you don't think you'd find a tuba appealing, Mr. Heasley quite > effectively makes it so. Great ambient soundscape loopage with much more > than great low-end going on, recorded by Robert Rich. Ya gotta hear it. > > -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 11 09:59:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA32055; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:53:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:53:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <061901c1525b$4a9561d0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <002e01c151ec$706e67e0$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: usb wierdness...way OT Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 08:47:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > It is the result of the blower's EM discharge- they have a magneto > generating spark and it disrupts the signal- I had an old monitor that would > snap on and off at will and it would always cause my usb Wacom tablet to > stop working until I reset it- That is my best guess- the mice you use are > USB too- Good suggestion! Probably the culprit! It could also be the static field produced by the leafblower. After all, a leafblower is much like a Wimhurst or Van Der Graaf static generator. Experiment 1: hypothesis - If it is the magneto spark, then a similar device such as a lawnmower will cause the same problem. Experiment 2: hypothesis - If it is the static field, then an electric leafblower will cause the same problem. Experiment 3: Place two electroscopes by your mice. (Those jars with the suspended gold leaves and the rod sticking out the top.) Charge one positively and the other negatively. See if the leaf blower discharges one. Experiment 4: Tell your boss you can't work under these conditions and go home and loop. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 11 10:04:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01149; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:04:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:04:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Subject: Re: Mac looper: Phrazer, Mixman or...? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:02:04 -0400 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 10/11/2001 10:02:11 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <2o2oU.A.4Q.jZax7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Check out these up-coming products...as well as Reason+Recycle, which is VERY powerful and flexible... Ableton, at: http://www.ableton.com/web/english/index.htm and Radial, at: http://www.cycling74.com/products/radial.html (great Eno story, btw...) Best, David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 11 10:27:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02095; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:26:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:26:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <062901c1525f$b3e2a3b0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011010121728.025d4e78@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:19:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <-VML0D.A.nf.puax7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If we're brainstorming, here's some thoughts... Why design all custom hardware? Why not use the Alesis ADAT model (i.e., their use of stock VCR tape transports) and use as much off-the-shelf hardware as possible ? (I realize Alesis is *probably* a bad example to use...) Use a commonly available PC motherboard but *don't* use the "standard" software. It boots only looper-ware. Sure the motherboard would have far too much hardware than you need but it might be cheaper in production and certainly would not require as much R&D. The problem with looping on a stock PC is not the hardware so much as the non-real-time (bloated) OS. Some custom hardware would be probably required. But probably not too much. You could probably get by with all off-the-shelf hardware except for the user interface. I'm just not sure if complete off-the-shelf hardware is cost effective. After all, it's the software that primarily makes a looper. Excepting the user interface (like the EDP LED display) what is the hardware? ADC, DAC, MIDI interface, memory, processor, supply, and probably something like a NIC, USB, or SCSI. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 11 10:47:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03086; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:45:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:45:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:44:04 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: EDP Wish List - (was: stereo delay) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <018a01c15263$2cac8bf0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <007101c151bc$428860e0$080210ac@jpalmer> <5.1.0.14.2.20011010231618.026fae00@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wooohoooo! > At 07:30 PM 10/10/2001, Scott McGregor Moore wrote: > >* Stereo (while still just in one rack space) > >* Half speed record/playback option > > you get one of your wishes without any new hardware, LoopIV is coming! > > kim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 11 11:16:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05479; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:15:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:15:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000501c15267$f312f6e0$c1d81f3e@snowmonster> Reply-To: "one less than none" From: "one less than none" To: References: <007101c151bc$428860e0$080210ac@jpalmer> <5.1.0.14.2.20011010231618.026fae00@loopers-delight.com> <018a01c15263$2cac8bf0$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: EDP Wish List - (was: stereo delay) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 16:18:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com so we can get half speed record and / or playback on the EDP with the loop 4 software ? when is this software going to become available ? one less than none From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 11 11:21:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05802; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:20:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:20:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:19:10 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01d501c15268$14001270$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011010121728.025d4e78@loopers-delight.com> <062901c1525f$b3e2a3b0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com excellent idea... open source the software, maybe use some subset of the linux os. maybe even non-loopers would get in the game just as an interesting problem to solve (student projects, etc) you could do away with custom user interface; just use midi pedals and such for control and use midi sysex and an editor/librarian for setup... one problem i can think of right off is size. if we made this a one rack space unit, cooling would definitely be a problem. remember our discussion about the fans on these things. fitting cards for i/o and midi is a bit difficult (but possible) in a 1U. i still haven't added a rack pc to my setup, so i'm not sure how much of a problem this will be. soon.... maybe with a celeron and a peltie you could avoid fans? i would definitely be a contributor, though i have been programming exclusively in windows for the last five years. i keep thinking i will get into linux at some point, but never have the time. (as you know, i'm still way behind on my kyma progress...) > If we're brainstorming, here's some thoughts... > > Why design all custom hardware? Why not use the Alesis ADAT model (i.e., > their use of stock VCR tape transports) and use as much off-the-shelf > hardware as possible ? (I realize Alesis is *probably* a bad example to > use...) Use a commonly available PC motherboard but *don't* use the > "standard" software. It boots only looper-ware. Sure the motherboard > would have far too much hardware than you need but it might be cheaper in > production and certainly would not require as much R&D. The problem with > looping on a stock PC is not the hardware so much as the non-real-time > (bloated) OS. > > Some custom hardware would be probably required. But probably not too much. > You could probably get by with all off-the-shelf hardware except for the > user interface. I'm just not sure if complete off-the-shelf hardware is > cost effective. After all, it's the software that primarily makes a looper. > Excepting the user interface (like the EDP LED display) what is the > hardware? ADC, DAC, MIDI interface, memory, processor, supply, and probably > something like a NIC, USB, or SCSI. > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 11 11:39:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06867; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:38:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:38:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001701c15263$2ba41ca0$0101a8c0@pavilion> References: <001701c15263$2ba41ca0$0101a8c0@pavilion> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 08:33:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Fw: usb wierdness...way OT Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1209308073==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1209308073==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" hey loopers, thanks for the tips on the OT mouse-a-freezin subject... these are my favorites: >it would be really cool if it was the other way around..clicking the >mouse shuts off the leaf blower... lol. and i'd have the window seat to see the expression on the guy's face. Perhaps a cheap experiment would be to buy the fellow a new spark plug, gapped correctly. stephen! you've got to quit sugar-coating stuff and get straight to the point of the matter... :) Experiment 4: Tell your boss you can't work under these conditions and go home and loop. ah yeah, that's the ticket... best, rich --============_-1209308073==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Fw: usb wierdness...way OT
hey loopers,

thanks for the tips on the OT mouse-a-freezin subject...

these are my favorites:


it would be really cool if it was the other way around..clicking the mouse shuts off the leaf blower...

lol.  and i'd have the window seat to see the expression on the guy's face.


Perhaps a cheap experiment would be to buy the fellow a new spark plug,
gapped correctly.

stephen!  you've got to quit sugar-coating stuff and get straight to the point of the matter...  :)


Experiment 4: Tell your boss you can't work under these conditions and go
home and loop.

ah yeah, that's the ticket...


best,

rich
--============_-1209308073==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 11 12:18:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13427; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:17:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:17:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <3c.12bd8f8b.28f71ef2@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:12:34 EDT Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_3c.12bd8f8b.28f71ef2_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: <4Cu33B.A.nID.fXcx7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_3c.12bd8f8b.28f71ef2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/11/01 12:32:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes: > That vast majority won't even think about it at all > until they see their favorite musician icon using it in a hit song they > i dont think with all the looping we are hearing in ads and in different tunes there will be a great rush of folk seeking to become "loopers".....in fact, it almost seems that "looping" is almost the flavor of the month musically.....added to that, most folk would think that this form of music is mostly done on a sampler or daw, not on a stand alone piece of hardware.....if i had 2.5 million in my sock drawer i highly doubt that i would invest it in a looping tool (at least one that we all dream about).....it will be very interesting to see how electrix fares in this venture, talk about putting all your eggs in a holy basket.....i was only 1.5 million off on my guess as to the cost of development and production.....well, off to rip my studio apart so i can spend the next two nites preaching the gospel according to loop.....:)m --part1_3c.12bd8f8b.28f71ef2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/11/01 12:32:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes:


That vast majority won't even think about it at all
until they see their favorite musician icon using it in a hit song they
like.


i dont think  with all the looping we are hearing in ads and in different tunes there will be a great rush of folk seeking to become "loopers".....in fact, it almost seems that "looping" is almost the flavor of the month musically.....added to that, most folk would think that this form of music is mostly done on a sampler or daw, not on a stand alone piece of hardware.....if i had 2.5 million in my sock drawer i highly doubt that i would invest it in a looping tool (at least one that we all dream about).....it will be very interesting to see how electrix fares in this venture, talk about putting all your eggs in a holy basket.....i was only 1.5 million off on my guess as to the cost of development and production.....well, off to rip my studio apart so i can spend the next two nites preaching the gospel according to loop.....:)m --part1_3c.12bd8f8b.28f71ef2_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 11 12:23:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15182; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:23:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:23:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011011084712.025e57d0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:19:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? In-Reply-To: <062901c1525f$b3e2a3b0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011010121728.025d4e78@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:19 AM 10/11/2001, Dennis Leas wrote: >If we're brainstorming, here's some thoughts... > >Why design all custom hardware? Why not use the Alesis ADAT model (i.e., >their use of stock VCR tape transports) and use as much off-the-shelf >hardware as possible ? It's not like they bought VCRs at BestBuy and stuck a different ROM in it. They just use commonly available off the shelf components and designed them into their fully custom system level hardware, which is what everybody does in just about all electronic products. Whether it is a VCR transport or an audio IC it is the same concept. Nobody is designing their own custom asics or anything like that. >(I realize Alesis is *probably* a bad example to >use...) Use a commonly available PC motherboard but *don't* use the >"standard" software. It boots only looper-ware. that would mean re-writing all software for a different processor and system, which would be far more complicated and expensive than designing new hardware to match the 10 years worth of software development we've already done. >Sure the motherboard >would have far too much hardware than you need but it might be cheaper in >production and certainly would not require as much R&D. The problem with >looping on a stock PC is not the hardware so much as the non-real-time >(bloated) OS. and hardware not designed for real-time either. Or designed for pro music applications and extended environmental conditions. So it wouldn't fit the application hardly at all, and performance would be lousy. Then there would be all sorts of useless stuff on there taking up space, using power, and generating heat. >Some custom hardware would be probably required. But probably not too much. no, it would take a lot. the user interface is what makes the whole thing. That is a big part of the hardware. Plus a lot of special audio circuits for specific routing needs of looping, designed to pro-audio standards. Special sync circuits, etc. Very quickly you would be wondering, "why are we spending such tremendous effor to customize this existing board that hardly does anything we need to begin with? It would just be easier to build our own hardware from scratch." and you would be 100% correct. >You could probably get by with all off-the-shelf hardware except for the >user interface. I'm just not sure if complete off-the-shelf hardware is >cost effective. it would actually cost you far more. you would be into several hundred dollars just on these off the shelf pc parts, before you even got to the custom electronics, custom chassis, controls etc. A lot of that money would be spent on stuff that would be completely useless in the application. Also remember, you can't use the cheap stuff because people demand better quality standards than what most PC hardware is designed to. >After all, it's the software that primarily makes a looper. yes and no. It is the software plus the user interface. In the case of a musical instrument that you play, much of the user interface is hardware. The better this interface matches the way the user wants to control the specific application and the environment they use it in, the better the experience. General purpose hardware interfaces can never be as usable for a given application as a custom designed one. Would you rather control drum sounds in a performance with an actual drum-like device as the interface, or by tapping keys on a notebook? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 11 12:46:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16386; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:45:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:45:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D007421C@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: electric tuba tour rolls on Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:39:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C15273.58C61DE0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C15273.58C61DE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" howdy, i meant to forward this on to folks here, but kinda got bolloxed up. a review of the heasley disc from downtown music gallery (i feel like i had seen another, but can't remember where, sorry). TOM HEASLEY - Where the Earth Hits the Sky (Hypnos) The Hypnos label has been around for a few years, quietly releasing ambient and space music. Recently Hypnos put out this gem by Bay Area tuba player Tom Heasly. In the past Heasley has worked the jazz/free improv/new music worlds with Pauline Oliveros, Loren Mazzacane-Connors, Charlie Haden, Bobby Bradford, Don Preston and others. But now he's gone solo by attaching a microphone to the bell of his horn and routing the signal through digital echos and reverbs. The result is stunning: many layers of sustained tuba drones that leave one in a meditative state. Besides an amazing two shows in NYC - Nova Nights @ Two Boots and Downtown Music Gallery, he's been playing all over the Northeastern USA and Canada since late August. I also caught him in Philadelphia at the Gathering concert series (http://thegathering.org) with the throat singers Spectral Voices. This show was only a few days after the World Trade Center disaster - 9/15/2001, but they still had a great turnout. It was an impressive affair, both acts pumping their sound through digital delays and reverb. With the PA speakers at least 50 feet apart in this magnificent space at St. Mary's church (chapel?) at the U. of Penn, I felt like I was hearing Heasley in a massive eternal canyon of sound. Tom should be back for a last show in NYC in early October. Stay tuned. Until then this cd is the next best thing to his live performances. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C15273.58C61DE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
howdy,
 
i meant to forward this on to folks here, but kinda got bolloxed up. a review of the heasley disc from downtown music gallery (i feel like i had seen another, but can't remember where, sorry).
 
TOM HEASLEY - Where the Earth Hits the Sky (Hypnos) The Hypnos label has been around for a few years, quietly releasing ambient and space music. Recently Hypnos put out this gem by Bay Area tuba player Tom Heasly. In the past Heasley has worked the jazz/free improv/new music worlds with Pauline Oliveros, Loren Mazzacane-Connors, Charlie Haden, Bobby Bradford, Don Preston and others. But now he's gone solo by attaching a microphone to the bell of his horn and routing the signal through digital echos and reverbs. The result is stunning: many layers of sustained tuba drones that leave one in a meditative state. Besides an amazing two shows in NYC - Nova Nights @ Two Boots and Downtown Music Gallery, he's been playing all over the Northeastern USA and Canada since late August. I also caught him in Philadelphia at the Gathering concert series (http://thegathering.org) with the throat singers Spectral Voices. This show was only a few days after the World Trade Center disaster - 9/15/2001, but they still had a great turnout. It was an impressive affair, both acts pumping their sound through digital delays and reverb. With the PA speakers at least 50 feet apart in this magnificent space at St. Mary's church (chapel?) at the U. of Penn, I felt like I was hearing Heasley in a massive eternal canyon of sound. Tom should be back for a last show in NYC in early October. Stay tuned. Until then this cd is the next best thing to his live performances.
------_=_NextPart_001_01C15273.58C61DE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 11 13:03:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18414; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 13:02:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 13:02:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:01:14 -0700 From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: EDP Wish List - (was: stereo delay) In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.2.20011010231618.026fae00@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: cbm@mail.beatnik.com (Unverified) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <007101c151bc$428860e0$080210ac@jpalmer> <5.1.0.14.2.20011010231618.026fae00@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:17 PM -0700 10/10/01, Kim Flint wrote: >At 07:30 PM 10/10/2001, Scott McGregor Moore wrote: >>* Stereo (while still just in one rack space) >>* Half speed record/playback option > >you get one of your wishes without any new hardware, LoopIV is coming! Yeah, and how many years late is it? -C -- _____________________________________________________ Chris Muir | Enhanced Audio Solutions: cbm@beatnik.com | http://www.beatnik.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 11 13:13:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19157; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 13:12:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 13:12:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Subject: RE: EDP Wish List - (was: stereo delay) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:16:23 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Let the complaints begin :-) > >At 11:17 PM -0700 10/10/01, Kim Flint wrote: >>At 07:30 PM 10/10/2001, Scott McGregor Moore wrote: >>>* Stereo (while still just in one rack space) >>>* Half speed record/playback option >> >>you get one of your wishes without any new hardware, LoopIV is coming! > >Yeah, and how many years late is it? > >-C From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 11 13:42:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20367; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 13:41:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 13:41:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:40:44 -0700 Subject: Re: EDP Wish List - (was: stereo delay) From: Allan Hoeltje To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011010231618.026fae00@loopers-delight.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow! The EDP will get stereo with just a software upgrade? It will still fit in one rack space, right? :-) -Allan on 10/10/01 11:17 PM, Kim Flint at kflint@loopers-delight.com wrote: > At 07:30 PM 10/10/2001, Scott McGregor Moore wrote: >> * Stereo (while still just in one rack space) >> * Half speed record/playback option > > you get one of your wishes without any new hardware, LoopIV is coming! > > kim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 11 13:45:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20590; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 13:44:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 13:44:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.65.162.66] From: "Barry M" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 17:43:07 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Oct 2001 17:43:08.0014 (UTC) FILETIME=[302380E0:01C1527C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim, I think your numbers are pessimistic for the bigger players who's products populate the music store shelves. The DL4 is sold in Guitar Center, Mars, Musicians Friend not to mention other online etailers and a lot of smaller music shops. Guitar Center alone must have more than 70 stores. They seem to have two in every city. I think guitar center has to sell at least 70 a month of DL4s. Isn't volume discount there schtick? That's 840 a year just for guitar center. That's just the US. Let's assume that the rest of the music shops in the US all together sell as much as Guitar Center. That's 1680 just in the US. What about the rest of the world? Let us assume that number equals the US. Then that is a total of 3360 units in a year. I think line 6 probably sells more than that. It seems to me that the equation would be; the better the distribution, the bigger the brand name, the cheaper the price, the more units sold. I think looping is moving out of the shadows and into the lime light. There seems to be a lot of new hardware and software loopers popping up. It's becoming a standard feature in DAWs. The growing global popularity of "dance music" and it's many strains is also doing wonders for loop based music. There must be something going on. In the last year alone Roland, Electrix and Redsound all popped one out. Sure it will be a another trend but quality trends turn into mainstays. Look at jeans or Ray Bans. Let's just hope it's not like the Cher Auto Tune/ vocoder voice effect...make it stop. Of course that's just my opinion...I could be wrong. - Dennis Miller >- In the niches of the musical instrument industry, I would consider >selling 1000 units in a year to be quite a big success for mid-range rack >mount stuff. Most things probably won't sell that well. Sustaining that for >several years is not likely. Your 2000 unit/year number would be a smash >hit, probably beyond the realistic size of the looper market at this time. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 11 13:50:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20852; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 13:49:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 13:49:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BC5F532.4475664A@vtx.ch> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 19:38:26 +0000 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Wish List - (was: stereo delay) References: <007101c151bc$428860e0$080210ac@jpalmer> <5.1.0.14.2.20011010231618.026fae00@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Chris Muir wrote: > > At 11:17 PM -0700 10/10/01, Kim Flint wrote: > >At 07:30 PM 10/10/2001, Scott McGregor Moore wrote: > >>* Stereo (while still just in one rack space) > >>* Half speed record/playback option > > > >you get one of your wishes without any new hardware, LoopIV is coming! > > Yeah, and how many years late is it? It would be late if you knew the release date but you dont, so ...... :-) Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 11 13:51:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20933; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 13:50:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 13:50:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:48:37 -0700 From: Chris Muir Subject: RE: EDP Wish List - (was: stereo delay) In-reply-to: X-Sender: cbm@mail.beatnik.com (Unverified) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:16 AM -0700 10/11/01, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: >Let the complaints begin :-) Well, I just thought that the next EDP release should get parity with the Repeater release. Sort of a separate, but equal, thing I guess. -C -- _____________________________________________________ Chris Muir | Enhanced Audio Solutions: cbm@beatnik.com | http://www.beatnik.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 11 14:48:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26299; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:47:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:47:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 15:47:07 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: What do you all think of xxx CD? Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What do you all think of xxx CD?
Jeff Robert, full of good intentions, asks:
What do you all think of the new Oysterhead CD?  There's loops on a majority of the tracks.

I wonder...

I suffer with such posts. Not that there is anything wrong with it, its certainly helpfull to know about any loop manifestations in the world, but its sometimes frustrating for me not to have access to it. So no offense, Jeff, its certainly better than nothing!
I could maybe order the CD from Amazon, but its expensive, slow, and may turn into a next frustration if I dont like the stuff or only one piece contains a loop...

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Could such indications please be followed by some link so we can listen to it?
Thus we avoid the usual two mails: "what URL ?" and (often Richard Zvonar :-) "here is the URL...".
Please indicate also the most interesting part of the CD.
The same goes for "gig spam"

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In case the sound is not available on the net, is there a possibility we could upload some examples of it to some server without running into legal problems?
I doubt the creators would be against that, because its direct, free help for their distribution. To avoid a public distribution, we could maybe give a password to the members of this list, would that improve the legal situation?

For me its much more helpful to download 2 1-minute MP3 samples (or shorter, my line is slow) to get an idea of what ideas are around than pile another CD I dont have time to listen to...
As for the subject, it would be more concrete, because the poster could select the bit he likes most or some specific loop. Thus some more specific communication could come up, we could discuss how a special loop has been done or could be improved and such.

Ok, not everyone can do MP3, but since any poster has a computer and deals with sound, we might not be far from this... we could set up a page that teaches how to create and upload MP3 and link to some necessary free software...

Somehow, the comunity is well installed and informed about gear, but the sound exchange is still limited/complicated/disperse, no?
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         ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 11 14:49:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26324; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:48:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:48:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <15rNex-26gM3UC@fwd02.sul.t-online.com> References: <200110101502.LAA25074@hemlock.violacea.com> <15rNex-26gM3UC@fwd02.sul.t-online.com> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 15:47:26 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: expert modified the A/D signal chain Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4ZNcbD.A.GaG.akex7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com andreas said >I had both my G-Force and the EDP modified in the A/D >signal chain by an expert tech last year and they are much better now, >clearer sounding and better dynamics for shure. He didn't promote this to >me, only offered this after I kept complaining. I think we talked about this privately, but you did not mention who did that and how. It seems like magic or cheating: How can anyone simply improve such elaborated stuff? For the EDP I could explain it with my own stupidity, but t.c. high end units?? >...he worked on the analog side of the >signal path both on the input and output. He has a copyright on this (you >can buy it here as a pretty expensive stand alone, the 'Effects Legalizer') Is that on the net somewhere? What copyright... a patent? So its public? Can you describe what the improvement sounds like? >Of course the easiest way is to get a decent mixer and run everything 'wet' >from the effects through that. you mean one 'Effects Legalizer' would improve the whole studio? >You just can't use compression, filters, >pitch and other 'destructive' effects that way. what does it do to those effects then? I may not understand this paragraph... Thank you for all this shocking interesting information! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 11 14:54:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26751; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:53:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:53:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3BC3838F.122A9EB4@zerocrossing.net> References: <003901c150d0$e9becda0$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> <005b01c1510d$e5c4f700$0e0aa8c0@den> <3BC3838F.122A9EB4@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 15:52:14 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: stereo delay (Line 6 sync) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <3v2I2D.A.RgG.7oex7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Unless I understood wrong, the delays would midi synch, but not the loop >functions. Sad, but true. Eric Williams said 09/13/01 >here's the skinny: >- MIDI sync only available on non-loop-sampler programs >- no sync on loop sampler (i'm assuming you could send CC messages with a >sequencer, but i think that's just too much silliness) >- no "dialing in" of delay time in looper mode >- All delays stereo EXCEPT loop sampler >- non-loop-sampler delays are a maximum of 2.5 seconds >- looper functionality not better because it's "just for fun" >- he also said they were not interested in this market (even though it says >60-SECOND LOOP SAMPLER on the front panel) One thing is to "sync" a delay time *once* to an incoming MIDI clock. Since the delay fades out quickly, you dont note that its running away rhythmically. Another much more difficult task is to *keep* a loop synced to a MIDI clock. > >Doug Cox wrote: > >> I remember the post that said that the (now shipping) Line 6 Echo Pro would >> not have MIDI sync capability... >> >> But when I go to the Line 6 website, and look at the feature list for the >> Echo Pro, I see that it DOES say it can sync to MIDI... >> "Complete MIDI controllability, including MIDI mapping and lock to MIDI >> clock" >> http://www.line6.com/Main/The_Buzz/Hot_News/StudioModelerRollout/EchoPro/Ech >> oProShips.htm >> >> Can someone reconcile these? Is Line 6 fibbing on their website about the >> Echo Pro? Is it only delay time on the traditional delays that can lock to >> MIDI clock, or can the looper do it to? >> >> Doug >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Eric Williamson >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 10:44 AM >> Subject: Re: stereo delay >> >> > >jammans, or use two of the new line 6 echo pros, or use two tc electronic >> > >> > no, you couldn't >> > >> > remember ... >> > >> > NO SYNC!!! >> > >> > AAARRRGHHHHHH!!!!! >> > >> > good luck. my money's on the 'peater OS upgrade. >> > >> > Eric Williamson >> > www.suitandtieguy.com >> > -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 11 17:08:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03591; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 17:06:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 17:06:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:00:50 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: MIDIMAN Surface One X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: rzvonar@earthlink.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <_E-TYC.A.q2.Emgx7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Estimated ship date late November or December. 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------=_NextPart_000_01AC_01C15279.02BF5AA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 11 17:23:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04544; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 17:22:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 17:22:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: MIDIMAN Surface One Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 17:23:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <0skDW.A.gFB.s1gx7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've seen prototypes of this at Winter and Summer NAMM this year. Absolutely amazing. This is going to be a revolutionary product. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 5:01 PM To: rzvonar@earthlink.net Subject: MIDIMAN Surface One Estimated ship date late November or December. Estimated list price $799.00 http://midiman.com/products/midiman/surfaceone.htm -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 11 17:26:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04729; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 17:25:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 17:25:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011011142222.01bdf5e8@mulder.intermag.com> X-Sender: mpulver@mulder.intermag.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:24:47 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: RE: MIDIMAN Surface One In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Oct 2001 21:24:11.0231 (UTC) FILETIME=[11A1CEF0:01C1529B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com (02:23 PM 10.11.2001) wrote: >From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] >> >>Estimated ship date late November or December. >>Estimated list price $799.00 >> >>http://midiman.com/products/midiman/surfaceone.htm > >I've seen prototypes of this at Winter and Summer NAMM this year. >Absolutely amazing. This is going to be a revolutionary product. I know the guy doing the firmware for the box (he's under contract from MIDIMan). I don't think that I'm at liberty to say who it is, but I can tell you that he has plenty of experience (all with excellent results) doing this type of work. It will indeed be a killer product. :) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 11 18:04:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08136; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 18:04:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 18:04:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006f01c151b6$df90efc0$66effea9@oemcomputer> References: <006f01c151b6$df90efc0$66effea9@oemcomputer> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 19:04:00 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <9ENHk.A.t-B.rchx7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bruce says: >but does the edp need to be redesigned from scratch? aren't we talking >about additions to a product that already works extremelly well? Andy answers: > Unfortunately, yes. But he is talking of the HW only. But the SW could be recycled to a considerable extent. Inicially a new HW with some of the extensions discussed below would run the slightly modified old soft for stereo and simultaneous playback of the several loops (NextLoop would turn into "NextTrack" or so and there would be one more button... :-). I guess the end price would turn out similar to the present model, would that be acceptable? Jim lists: >- don't go againinator >- digital i/o s/pdif? USB? FireWire? >- balanced analog i/o what for? I would rather like the jacks to be stereo. I hate to connect two cables and keep modifying all of my equipment for stereo cables... The line ins of my small Mackie are L/Mono - R/Stereo - without any loss or cost, just an hour of work :-) >- stereo certainly >- expandable memory. certainly, actual SIMMs or flash card (more expensive!)? >- flash os yes >- variable sample rates (lo-fi up to high res) what for? once RAM is sufficiently cheap? One thing I think a lot about: To maintain Brother compatibility with the old EDPs, it would be interesting to keep the clock at 41k. I dont think this rate seriously affects sound quality. But for further compatibility, we would have to have 44.1kHz, too... another parameter? >here's an idea: if gibson is not interested, why not have an open >source design project? >i think enough people would be interested in the project to make it happen. >and then when the design work was done (an interesting term in open >source, i know), >gibson could run with it... The design is not owned by Gibson and the licence is not exclusive, but quite some money and structure to develop and distribute is needed... Do you suggest that this effort would be made by the community, too? The present structure of the soft would hardly allow an open source design and I would not be willing to give away 8 years of work for which I did not get back yet what I put into it... I mayb e wrong... But as we worked up to now, quite some user wishes have been implemented and this could grow further. Once the upgrade is done, for example, I could imagine to assemble personal EPROMs with special variations of the functions for a reasonable money. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 11 18:06:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08264; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 18:05:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 18:05:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011010121728.025d4e78@loopers-delight.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011010121728.025d4e78@loopers-delight.com> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 19:05:45 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim said >- In the niches of the musical instrument industry, I would consider >selling 1000 units in a year to be quite a big success for mid-range >rack mount stuff. Most things probably won't sell that well. >Sustaining that for several years is not likely. Your 2000 unit/year >number would be a smash hit, probably beyond the realistic size of >the looper market at this time. Maybe it will grow that big, but it >is not there now. 2000/year is what Gibson estimated when the EDP started. Now that looping is much more established, I think it could be more, no? It serves for any kind of musician, independent on instrument and style and it even makes sense to have several of them. Of course, it depends a lot on price and marketing... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 11 18:09:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08721; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 18:08:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 18:08:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011011150043.00b525d8@mail.mindspring.com> X-Files: The truth is out there. Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 15:04:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Digital Music Ground Control Pro controller In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <2a21PD.A.eEC.Zghx7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Came across this post over at Electrix re: a new foot controller from DMC: http://www.electrixpro.com/UBB/ubb/Forum9/HTML/000121.html Picture w/ no details: http://www.voodoolab.com/download/ Looks like they're going head to head with the Rocktron All-Access. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 11 18:24:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09409; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 18:23:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 18:23:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 15:13:40 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: MIDIMAN Surface One In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:23 PM -0400 10/11/01, CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com wrote: >I've seen prototypes of this at Winter and Summer NAMM this year. >Absolutely amazing. This is going to be a revolutionary product. I don't know if I'd call Surface One "revolutionary" - it's quite similar to the Buchla Thunder - but it will certainly fill an important niche in the real-time controller world. What IS revolutionary is the underlying technology, a fiber optic smart fabric from Tactex, Inc. For the last couple years Tactex have been showing at NAMM. They have their own controller, the MTC Express, and they have OEM deals with other manufacturers. MIDIMAN is the first company whose product I've seen. The remarkable thing about the smart fabric is that it can detect multiple points of contact (e.g. several fingers pressing it at different points) and this allows a sort of "polyphonic" performance to be detected and transmitted. There is currently a Max object to facilitate this, when used with the MTC Express. It doesn't look to me like the Surface One is particularly designed to exploit this multi-point pressure sensing, since the smart fabric is masked by the the chassis cutouts to channel finger and thumb contact within narrow zones (I believe that "under the hood" it actually IS behaving as a multi-point sensor, since I think there's only one piece of fabric under the whole face plate). However, the name "Surface One" suggests that down the line there may be a "Surface Two." Anyway, I'm sure it will be a great product. I have a lot of respect for MIDIMAN as a company, and I think Tactex is a real "comer" as well. http://www.tactex.com/technology.html http://www.tactex.com/products.html -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 11 18:53:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08049; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 18:01:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 18:01:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <007701c151bd$2e05ded0$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011010092406.048cce20@loopers-delight.com> <007701c151bd$2e05ded0$080210ac@jpalmer> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 19:01:19 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: stereo delay Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > > > R&D budgets in the future require sales in the present..... > >if this were true, nobody would ever design a new device. The EDP came to life with some 20k$ of my parents, a tremendous effort with a simple life standard of mine, cheap help from Eric, free advise from looper friends, some smaller investment of Gibson (I have no idea how much, but far from a million) to expand the LOOP delay to the EDP and a big free effort of Kim to keep it alive and improve/debug the soft. This story cannot be looped. Unfortunately the unit was often manufactured insufficiently or not at all during the years it was fresh and without competiton and no savings were made to develop the next version. I would find it fair of Gibson to correct this failure by investing into a new HW now. Possibly they do so... >if the current design is selling well, there is no reason to redesign. >if it's not selling well, they would refuse to make a new design. >it's a catch-22... right. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 11 19:00:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12519; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 18:59:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 18:59:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 15:58:56 -0700 Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? From: Allan Hoeltje To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think this explains why the EDP works so well. It was initially designed without a business plan! :-) Seriously, I am truly sorry to hear that Matthias and company have not made a substantial return on their investment. They surely deserve it for the work they have done. -Allan on 10/11/01 3:04 PM, Matthias Grob at matthias@grob.org wrote: > ... The present structure of the soft would hardly allow an open source > design and I would not be willing to give away 8 years of work for > which I did not get back yet what I put into it... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 11 20:18:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16526; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 20:16:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 20:16:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BC6375A.C700692@ernieball.com> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 17:20:42 -0700 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Armatronix @ Sweet Springs Saloon in Los Osos this Friday 10-12-2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Daniel Seymour From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Howdy- Armatronix will be playing this Friday at Sweet Springs Saloon in Los Osos. We'll be programming fresh beats and breaks from scratch ;) while-u-dance. The Cut Devils will open with a set of sampled breaks and turntablism starting at 9:30. Please come out and see what's new. $3 gets you in the door. 21 and over only, please. See you there, -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 11 21:11:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19488; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 21:10:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 21:10:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BC642E0.134D0AE0@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 18:09:53 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What do you all think of xxx CD? References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------D1734EE09BAFBE4767BA4DE7" Resent-Message-ID: <4e_P9D.A.YwE.zLkx7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------D1734EE09BAFBE4767BA4DE7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe what you're saying is, "I sure wish napster existed." I do to. I bought a lot of cds I wouldn't have normally purchased after hearing tracks on napster RIP. LONG LIVE LIMEWIRE! Matthias Grob wrote: > Jeff Robert, full of good intentions, asks: > >> What do you all think of the new Oysterhead CD? There's loops on a >> majority of the tracks. > > I wonder... I suffer with such posts. Not that there is anything > wrong with it, its certainly helpfull to know about any loop > manifestations in the world, but its sometimes frustrating for me not > to have access to it. So no offense, Jeff, its certainly better than > nothing!I could maybe order the CD from Amazon, but its expensive, > slow, and may turn into a next frustration if I dont like the stuff or > only one piece contains a loop... 1Could such indications please be > followed by some link so we can listen to it?Thus we avoid the usual > two mails: "what URL ?" and (often Richard Zvonar :-) "here is the > URL...".Please indicate also the most interesting part of the CD.The > same goes for "gig spam" 2In case the sound is not available on the > net, is there a possibility we could upload some examples of it to > some server without running into legal problems?I doubt the creators > would be against that, because its direct, free help for their > distribution. To avoid a public distribution, we could maybe give a > password to the members of this list, would that improve the legal > situation? For me its much more helpful to download 2 1-minute MP3 > samples (or shorter, my line is slow) to get an idea of what ideas are > around than pile another CD I dont have time to listen to...As for the > subject, it would be more concrete, because the poster could select > the bit he likes most or some specific loop. Thus some more specific > communication could come up, we could discuss how a special loop has > been done or could be improved and such. Ok, not everyone can do MP3, > but since any poster has a computer and deals with sound, we might not > be far from this... we could set up a page that teaches how to create > and upload MP3 and link to some necessary free software... Somehow, > the comunity is well installed and informed about gear, but the sound > exchange is still limited/complicated/disperse, no? > > -- > > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org --------------D1734EE09BAFBE4767BA4DE7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe what you're saying is, "I sure wish napster existed."

I do to.  I bought a lot of cds I wouldn't have normally purchased after hearing tracks on napster

RIP.

LONG LIVE LIMEWIRE!

Matthias Grob wrote:

Jeff Robert, full of good intentions, asks:
What do you all think of the new Oysterhead CD?  There's loops on a majority of the tracks.
 I wonder... I suffer with such posts. Not that there is anything wrong with it, its certainly helpfull to know about any loop manifestations in the world, but its sometimes frustrating for me not to have access to it. So no offense, Jeff, its certainly better than nothing!I could maybe order the CD from Amazon, but its expensive, slow, and may turn into a next frustration if I dont like the stuff or only one piece contains a loop... 1Could such indications please be followed by some link so we can listen to it?Thus we avoid the usual two mails: "what URL ?" and (often Richard Zvonar :-) "here is the URL...".Please indicate also the most interesting part of the CD.The same goes for "gig spam" 2In case the sound is not available on the net, is there a possibility we could upload some examples of it to some server without running into legal problems?I doubt the creators would be against that, because its direct, free help for their distribution. To avoid a public distribution, we could maybe give a password to the members of this list, would that improve the legal situation? For me its much more helpful to download 2 1-minute MP3 samples (or shorter, my line is slow) to get an idea of what ideas are around than pile another CD I dont have time to listen to...As for the subject, it would be more concrete, because the poster could select the bit he likes most or some specific loop. Thus some more specific communication could come up, we could discuss how a special loop has been done or could be improved and such. Ok, not everyone can do MP3, but since any poster has a computer and deals with sound, we might not be far from this... we could set up a page that teaches how to create and upload MP3 and link to some necessary free software... Somehow, the comunity is well installed and informed about gear, but the sound exchange is still limited/complicated/disperse, no? 
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         ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org

--------------D1734EE09BAFBE4767BA4DE7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 11 22:28:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23462; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 22:27:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 22:27:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 19:28:12 -0700 Subject: Re: What do you all think of yyy CD? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-924172001 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3BC642E0.134D0AE0@zerocrossing.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: <8MX9zB.A.BuF.mTlx7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2-924172001 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hey, please don't use xxx in the subject of emails, as my mail filter=20 filters it. Mark On Thursday, October 11, 2001, at 06:09 PM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > I believe what you're saying is, "I sure wish napster existed." > > I do to.=A0 I bought a lot of cds I wouldn't have normally purchased=20= > after hearing tracks on napster > > RIP. > > LONG LIVE LIMEWIRE! > > Matthias Grob wrote: > > Jeff Robert, full of good intentions, asks: > > What do you all think of the new Oysterhead CD?=A0 There's loops on a=20= > majority of the tracks. > > =A0I wonder...=A0I suffer with such posts. Not that there is anything = wrong=20 > with it, its certainly helpfull to know about any loop manifestations=20= > in the world, but its sometimes frustrating for me not to have access=20= > to it. So no offense, Jeff, its certainly better than nothing!I could=20= > maybe order the CD from Amazon, but its expensive, slow, and may turn=20= > into a next frustration if I dont like the stuff or only one piece=20 > contains a loop...=A01Could such indications please be followed by = some=20 > link so we can listen to it?Thus we avoid the usual two mails: "what=20= > URL ?" and (often Richard Zvonar :-) "here is the URL...".Please=20 > indicate also the most interesting part of the CD.The same goes for=20 > "gig spam"=A02In case the sound is not available on the net, is there = a=20 > possibility we could upload some examples of it to some server without=20= > running into legal problems?I doubt the creators would be against = that,=20 > because its direct, free help for their distribution. To avoid a = public=20 > distribution, we could maybe give a password to the members of this=20 > list, would that improve the legal situation?=A0For me its much more=20= > helpful to download 2 1-minute MP3 samples (or shorter, my line is=20 > slow) to get an idea of what ideas are around than pile another CD I=20= > dont have time to listen to...As for the subject, it would be more=20 > concrete, because the poster could select the bit he likes most or = some=20 > specific loop. Thus some more specific communication could come up, we=20= > could discuss how a special loop has been done or could be improved = and=20 > such.=A0Ok, not everyone can do MP3, but since any poster has a = computer=20 > and deals with sound, we might not be far from this... we could set up=20= > a page that teaches how to create and upload MP3 and link to some=20 > necessary free software...=A0Somehow, the comunity is well installed = and=20 > informed about gear, but the sound exchange is still=20 > limited/complicated/disperse, no? > > -- > > =A0 > > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > --Apple-Mail-2-924172001 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey, please don't use xxx in the subject of emails, as my mail filter filters it. Mark On Thursday, October 11, 2001, at 06:09 PM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: I believe what you're saying is, "I sure wish napster existed." I do to.=A0 I bought a lot of cds I wouldn't have normally purchased after hearing tracks on napster RIP. LONG LIVE LIMEWIRE! Matthias Grob wrote: Jeff Robert, full of good intentions, asks: ArialWhat do you all think of the new Oysterhead CD?=A0 There's loops on a majority of the tracks. =A0I wonder...=A0I suffer with such posts. Not that there is anything wrong with it, its certainly helpfull to know about any loop manifestations in the world, but its sometimes frustrating for me not to have access to it. So no offense, Jeff, its certainly better than nothing!I could maybe order the CD from Amazon, but its expensive, slow, and may turn into a next frustration if I dont like the stuff or only one piece contains a loop...=A01Could such indications please be followed by some link so we can listen to it?Thus we avoid the usual two mails: "what URL ?" and (often Richard Zvonar :-) "here is the URL...".Please indicate also the most interesting part of the CD.The same goes for "gig spam"=A02In case the sound is not available on the net, is there a possibility we could upload some examples of it to some server without running into legal problems?I doubt the creators would be against that, because its direct, free help for their distribution. To avoid a public distribution, we could maybe give a password to the members of this list, would that improve the legal situation?=A0For me its much more helpful to download 2 1-minute MP3 samples (or shorter, my line is slow) to get an idea of what ideas are around than pile another CD I dont have time to listen to...As for the subject, it would be more concrete, because the poster could select the bit he likes most or some specific loop. Thus some more specific communication could come up, we could discuss how a special loop has been done or could be improved and such.=A0Ok, not everyone can do MP3, but since any poster has a computer and deals with sound, we might not be far from this... we could set up a page that teaches how to create and upload MP3 and link to some necessary free software...=A0Somehow, the comunity is well installed and informed about gear, but the sound exchange is still limited/complicated/disperse, no? = -- =A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---> = 1999,1999,FFFFhttp://Matthias.Grob.org = --Apple-Mail-2-924172001-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 12 00:47:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01030; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 00:45:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 00:45:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 21:44:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: RE: MIDIMAN Surface One Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've had a Tactex MTC for a couple years, and agree that it is a remarkable technology. I've been using it to provide a "gooey" interface to my Max/MSP looper, loosely based on the idea of treating a continuous sound as a lump of clay that can be squished and squashed. The "polyphonic" touch sensitivity inherent in the Smart Fabric technology is exciting, but it raises some difficult software challenges as well. You can track two fingertips as separate pointers, but what if the paths cross? It gets kind of messy. I can imagine that Midiman chose to impose a template over the surface to avoid some of these issues at first. On the other hand, the raw data from the fabric is almost like a video image of the pressure across the entire surface. You get pressure values from a grid of a hundred or so "taxels" upwards of 50 times a second. So you can sense some very subtle shifts of a palm or maybe a foot resting on the surface. I haven't explored this approach enough yet but feel like it might lead to a radically new kind of controller, particularly appropriate for controlling a large number of effects, mixing or synthesis parameters simultaneously. Does the Thunder, which I believe uses FSR (force-sensitive resistor) technology, offer XY position and pressure information from a single "pad"? -Alex >At 5:23 PM -0400 10/11/01, CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com wrote: >>I've seen prototypes of this at Winter and Summer NAMM this year. >>Absolutely amazing. This is going to be a revolutionary product. > >I don't know if I'd call Surface One "revolutionary" - it's quite >similar to the Buchla Thunder - but it will certainly fill an >important niche in the real-time controller world. What IS >revolutionary is the underlying technology, a fiber optic smart >fabric from Tactex, Inc. For the last couple years Tactex have been >showing at NAMM. They have their own controller, the MTC Express, >and they have OEM deals with other manufacturers. MIDIMAN is the >first company whose product I've seen. > >The remarkable thing about the smart fabric is that it can detect >multiple points of contact (e.g. several fingers pressing it at >different points) and this allows a sort of "polyphonic" performance >to be detected and transmitted. There is currently a Max object to >facilitate this, when used with the MTC Express. > >It doesn't look to me like the Surface One is particularly designed >to exploit this multi-point pressure sensing, since the smart fabric >is masked by the the chassis cutouts to channel finger and thumb >contact within narrow zones (I believe that "under the hood" it >actually IS behaving as a multi-point sensor, since I think there's >only one piece of fabric under the whole face plate). However, the >name "Surface One" suggests that down the line there may be a >"Surface Two." > >Anyway, I'm sure it will be a great product. I have a lot of respect >for MIDIMAN as a company, and I think Tactex is a real "comer" as >well. > > http://www.tactex.com/technology.html > > http://www.tactex.com/products.html >-- > >______________________________________________________________ >Richard Zvonar, PhD >(818) 788-2202 >http://www.zvonar.com >http://RZCybernetics.com >http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone >http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 12 00:56:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01465; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 00:55:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 00:55:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3BC642E0.134D0AE0@zerocrossing.net> References: <3BC642E0.134D0AE0@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 01:54:46 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: What do you all think of xxx CD? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <9zfw9D.A.nW.menx7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I believe what you're saying is, "I sure wish napster existed." yeah, maybe... but would you find Oysterhead there? And how long do you search for it? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 12 01:09:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA03131; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 01:08:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 01:08:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 01:07:40 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: RE: MIDIMAN Surface One Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <803BYB.A.jw.vqnx7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Does the Thunder, which I believe uses FSR (force-sensitive >resistor) technology, offer XY position and pressure information >from a single "pad"? you can get velocity, "pressure" (actually the cross-sectional area of your finger apparently) and x position. there are lots of other interesting features that make the Buchla a cool instrument, though! /.t http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 12 01:19:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA03558; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 01:17:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 01:17:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20011012012021.007c2260@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: nickd/pop.mindspring.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 01:20:21 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: nick douglas Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? In-Reply-To: References: <006f01c151b6$df90efc0$66effea9@oemcomputer> <006f01c151b6$df90efc0$66effea9@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias wrote: >would that be acceptable? Simultaneous playback of several loops? Of different lengths? In Stereo? Near the current price? HUGE tracts of ... RAM? More than acceptable, that is wonderful! Heavenly! I've wanted four EDPs forever (two stereo pairs), but it's too much money. :( I'm ecstatic to hear that the software is (largely) portable to new processors and readily adaptable for multi-loop simultaneous stereo. Could it overdub into two stereo loops of different length at once? If so, one EDP could sometimes do the jobs of four (or Fripp's four TC2290s)! A steep discount on pairs of EDPs could prompt me not to wait. Buy one at the dealer's normal price, get the next one (or two or three?) at 50% off should do it. The more i hear about the Repeater, the more i lust for multiple EDPs. my $0.02 -nick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 12 02:21:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA06767; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 02:19:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 02:19:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 01:54:58 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Thunder was RE: MIDIMAN Surface One Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've had a love/hate relationship with this instrument for years. I spent way too much time writing custom software for which the thunder was the front end, but eventually got tired of its limitations. It feels like playing a rock. The active area of its pads is much shorter than it looks. If you completely release pressure, but are still touching it, it sends a note off. As a physical interface, it leaves much to be desired, because the relationship between gesture in and midi out isn't clear enough to make it easy to mentally internalize it so you don't have to think about it. I keep think I want a pair of four finger controllers that would sense pressure and have a very physical give to them. At 1:07 AM -0400 10/12/01, Tom Ritchford wrote: >>Does the Thunder, which I believe uses FSR (force-sensitive >>resistor) technology, offer XY position and pressure information >>from a single "pad"? > >you can get velocity, "pressure" (actually the cross-sectional area of your >finger apparently) and x position. > >there are lots of other interesting features that make the Buchla a cool >instrument, though! > > /.t > > >http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. >http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. >http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. -- "Freedom is a scary thing --- Not many people really want it" -- Laurie Anderson Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 12 02:48:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA07806; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 02:48:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 02:48:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 23:48:46 -0700 Subject: Re: stereo delay Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <2EFBD755-BEDD-11D5-BB5B-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: <1mW3RC.A.l5B.3Hpx7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >> if the current design is selling well, there is no reason to redesign. >> if it's not selling well, they would refuse to make a new design. >> it's a catch-22... > > right. Well, not really. If you've noticed, the Honda Civic sells really well, for years and years, yet they still change the design and "upgrade" it. I'm sure a solid state device like a looper (digital) that really doesn't wear out has a longer life, but I think it's time. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 12 02:53:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08131; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 02:53:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 02:53:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 23:54:04 -0700 Subject: Re: What do you all think of xxx CD? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: <1g5sAB.A.h-B.wMpx7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes you would. Afroman had no record label at all when his Napster acquired cult status landed him a song on the Jake and Silent Bob Strike Back Soundtrack. I found lot's of very small unsigned stuff on Napster. On Thursday, October 11, 2001, at 09:54 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: >> I believe what you're saying is, "I sure wish napster existed." > > yeah, maybe... but would you find Oysterhead there? > And how long do you search for it? > -- > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 12 02:54:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08261; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 02:54:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 02:54:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011011234656.01bc6a20@mulder.intermag.com> X-Sender: mpulver@mulder.intermag.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 23:52:41 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: RE: MIDIMAN Surface One In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alex Stahl (09:44 PM 10.11.2001) wrote: >On the other hand, the raw data from the fabric is almost like a >video image of the pressure across the entire surface. You get pressure >values from a grid of a hundred or so "taxels" upwards of 50 times a second. And... it's a BEAR to get under control with a microprocessor. The Surface One took a good bit of programming to corral. The new Moog (Big Briar) Voyager synth has a Tactex surface on it as well. On that machine, the 3 outputs of the pad are available as individual modulation sources which can be routed to a number of different destinations on the machine. >Does the Thunder, which I believe uses FSR (force-sensitive resistor) >technology, offer XY position and pressure information from a single >"pad"? As TomR said, it's X and pressure. The Tactex pad is the first (that I know of) to allow three axis' of control. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 12 03:20:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA10091; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 03:20:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 03:20:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <104.a925db5.28f7f38a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 03:19:38 EDT Subject: Re: improving JamMan audio quality To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Here the problem is easy to find. > The audio quality is horrible. > If i remember right, there were some postings abuot replacing the > AD/DA converters of the JamMan, so to increase its frequency response > and its dynamic range. > Here comes my question. JamMan actually has high quality, but a limited frequency response. It samples at only 32kHz, so the top end sparkle is lost. So changing AD and DA won't help. If you could increase the sampling rate that might help, but you'd probably have to modify some filters as well. The JamMan sounds like it has very good filters to cut out the top frequencies that it's low sampling rate wouldn't be able to deal with, that's why it sounds so smooth. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 12 04:01:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA12412; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 04:00:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 04:00:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 03:59:32 EDT Subject: expert modified the A/D signal chain To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > andreas said > > >I had both my G-Force and the EDP modified in the A/D > >signal chain by an expert tech last year and they are much better now, > >clearer sounding and better dynamics for shure. He didn't promote this to > >me, only offered this after I kept complaining. matthias said > > I think we talked about this privately, but you did not mention who > did that and how. > It seems like magic or cheating: How can anyone simply improve such > elaborated stuff? For the EDP I could explain it with my own > stupidity, but t.c. high end units?? > > >...he worked on the analog side of the > >signal path both on the input and output. He has a copyright on this (you > >can buy it here as a pretty expensive stand alone, the 'Effects Legalizer') > > Is that on the net somewhere? What copyright... a patent? So its public? > Can you describe what the improvement sounds like? > > >Of course the easiest way is to get a decent mixer and run everything 'wet' > >from the effects through that. > > you mean one 'Effects Legalizer' would improve the whole studio? I think it just means that the significant quality loss on something like a reverb is due to degradation of the dry signal, so using a mixer bypasses this. > > >You just can't use compression, filters, > >pitch and other 'destructive' effects that way. > > what does it do to those effects then? I may not understand this paragraph... > > > Thank you for all this shocking interesting information! > -- > If you can buy it as a stand alone I assume that means its some kind of impedance matching interface. In terms of output, I've seen top line studio gear that used line driver chips on the output. I guess the idea is that a chip designed to send a signal down a mile long cable without degradation is not going to be compromised by whatever it is you plug it into. It also seems to be standard practice to eliminte all electrolytic capacitors from the audio signal path. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 12 06:13:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA22066; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 06:11:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 06:11:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: expert modified the A/D signal chain Reply-To: A.Willers@t-online.de In-Reply-To: <200110120111.VAA19594@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200110120111.VAA19594@hemlock.violacea.com> From: A.Willers@t-online.de (A.Willers) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 12:05:50 +0000 X-Mailer: Musashi 3.2.3-es Message-ID: <15rzBx-2HTf60C@fwd05.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 520012547034-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > andreas said > > >I had both my G-Force and the EDP modified in the A/D > >signal chain by an expert tech last year and they are much better now, > >clearer sounding and better dynamics for shure. He didn't promote this to > >me, only offered this after I kept complaining. > > I think we talked about this privately, but you did not mention who > did that and how. > It seems like magic or cheating: How can anyone simply improve such > elaborated stuff? For the EDP I could explain it with my own > stupidity, but t.c. high end units?? > > >...he worked on the analog side of the > >signal path both on the input and output. He has a copyright on this (you > >can buy it here as a pretty expensive stand alone, the 'Effects > Legalizer') > > Is that on the net somewhere? What copyright... a patent? So its public? > Can you describe what the improvement sounds like? Matthias, I just talked to the man about this and he mentioned that this is a new development (not his older somewhat similar product) and he is still in the process of obtaining a patent for it, so we need to use a little discretion at this point. I will get you more info on him by seperate mail. Ever since I started using digital rack effects I used a line mixer with them to preserve the tonal quality of my original signal. I was adding the effect signal of my delays, reverb etc. to the original dry/direct signal to keep loss of headroom, dynamics etc. to a minimum. The only effect I could rely on preserving my tone used to be the tc 2290, I went directly through it to add panning effetcs to the original as well as to the delay. I must really say that tc, while still heavily promoting their high-end reputation, has made the sound quality of the G-force less prestine than that of the old 2290 (maybe for production cost reasons?). After repeated complaints to my technician about this he told me: in your guitar amps effect loop, try plugging in your effects device in bypass mode and compare this to the sound that you get when you bridge the loop with a single patchchord. I did notice a difference, and with the mod he performed to my g-force and the EDP, that difference is gone. Funny enaugh, the standard op amps in effect pedals (Digitech, Boss etc.) do not seem to be so bad. When I put a Boss pedal between guitar and amp, I'll notice a change, but it sounds rather different than worse. Go figure.... andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 12 09:47:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA30913; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 09:46:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 09:46:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: What do you all think of xxx CD? Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 09:47:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Morpheus ( www.musiccity.com ) is a good source as well. Not that I would condone that sort of thing. Make sure you buy the disc if you like what you hear. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 9:10 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What do you all think of xxx CD? I believe what you're saying is, "I sure wish napster existed." I do to. I bought a lot of cds I wouldn't have normally purchased after hearing tracks on napster RIP. LONG LIVE LIMEWIRE! Matthias Grob wrote: Jeff Robert, full of good intentions, asks: What do you all think of the new Oysterhead CD? There's loops on a majority of the tracks. I wonder... I suffer with such posts. Not that there is anything wrong with it, its certainly helpfull to know about any loop manifestations in the world, but its sometimes frustrating for me not to have access to it. So no offense, Jeff, its certainly better than nothing!I could maybe order the CD from Amazon, but its expensive, slow, and may turn into a next frustration if I dont like the stuff or only one piece contains a loop... 1Could such indications please be followed by some link so we can listen to it?Thus we avoid the usual two mails: "what URL ?" and (often Richard Zvonar :-) "here is the URL...".Please indicate also the most interesting part of the CD.The same goes for "gig spam" 2In case the sound is not available on the net, is there a possibility we could upload some examples of it to some server without running into legal problems?I doubt the creators would be against that, because its direct, free help for their distribution. To avoid a public distribution, we could maybe give a password to the members of this list, would that improve the legal situation? For me its much more helpful to download 2 1-minute MP3 samples (or shorter, my line is slow) to get an idea of what ideas are around than pile another CD I dont have time to listen to...As for the subject, it would be more concrete, because the poster could select the bit he likes most or some specific loop. Thus some more specific communication could come up, we could discuss how a special loop has been done or could be improved and such. Ok, not everyone can do MP3, but since any poster has a computer and deals with sound, we might not be far from this... we could set up a page that teaches how to create and upload MP3 and link to some necessary free software... Somehow, the comunity is well installed and informed about gear, but the sound exchange is still limited/complicated/disperse, no? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 12 10:24:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01959; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:24:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:24:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: MIDIMAN Surface One Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 07:23:27 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <0KCZIC.A.Je.Nzvx7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alex Stahl wrote: I've had a Tactex MTC for a couple years, and agree that it is a remarkable technology. The "polyphonic" touch sensitivity inherent in the Smart Fabric technology is exciting, but it raises some difficult software challenges as well. You can track two fingertips as separate pointers, but what if the paths cross? It gets kind of messy. I can imagine that Midiman chose to impose a template over the surface to avoid some of these issues at first. On the other hand, the raw data from the fabric is almost like a video image of the pressure across the entire surface. You get pressure values from a grid of a hundred or so "taxels" upwards of 50 times a second. So you can sense some very subtle shifts of a palm or maybe a foot resting on the surface. I haven't explored this approach enough yet but feel like it might lead to a radically new kind of controller, particularly appropriate for controlling a large number of effects, mixing or synthesis parameters simultaneously. **one word: cybersuit! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 12 10:59:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03092; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:58:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:58:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2EFBD755-BEDD-11D5-BB5B-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> References: <2EFBD755-BEDD-11D5-BB5B-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 11:58:13 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: stereo delay Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>if the current design is selling well, there is no reason to redesign. >>>if it's not selling well, they would refuse to make a new design. >>>it's a catch-22... >> >>right. > >Well, not really. If you've noticed, the Honda Civic sells really >well, for years and years, yet they still change the design and >"upgrade" it. I'm sure a solid state device like a looper (digital) >that really doesn't wear out has a longer life, but I think it's >time. I don know a lot about motor construction, but imagine you can gradually change geometry of each part, material and such. For the EDP, specifically, we need a new converter and a new processor and new SIMMs and a digital port, so about everything changes. To change those parts one by one would have been a mess, for the layout and for the different software versions needed. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 12 10:59:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03122; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:58:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:58:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20011012012021.007c2260@127.0.0.1> References: <006f01c151b6$df90efc0$66effea9@oemcomputer> <006f01c151b6$df90efc0$66effea9@oemcomputer> <3.0.6.32.20011012012021.007c2260@127.0.0.1> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 11:58:50 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4oNpvC.A.Jw.CUwx7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Matthias wrote: >>would that be acceptable? > >Simultaneous playback of several loops? Of different lengths? In >Stereo? Near the current price? HUGE tracts of ... RAM? yes, all of this. >More than acceptable, that is wonderful! Heavenly! I've wanted >four EDPs forever (two stereo pairs), but it's too much money. :( >I'm ecstatic to hear that the software is (largely) portable to new >processors and readily adaptable for multi-loop simultaneous stereo. >Could it overdub into two stereo loops of different length at once? >If so, one EDP could sometimes do the jobs of four (or Fripp's four >TC2290s)! its just a matter of the user interface, there will be a way, I think And sync will be even more crazy... we will have to be able to select which of the loops of different length will be the reference for syncing... >A steep discount on pairs of EDPs could prompt me not to wait. Buy >one at the dealer's normal price, get the next one (or two or >three?) at 50% off should do it. The more i hear about the >Repeater, the more i lust for multiple EDPs. :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 12 11:00:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04257; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:59:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:59:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 11:59:20 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Thunder was RE: MIDIMAN Surface One Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I've had a love/hate relationship with this instrument for years. I >spent way too much time writing custom software for which the >thunder was the front end, but eventually got tired of its >limitations. > >It feels like playing a rock. :-) >The active area of its pads is much shorter than it looks. >If you completely release pressure, but are still touching it, it >sends a note off. > >As a physical interface, it leaves much to be desired, because the >relationship between gesture in and midi out isn't clear enough to >make it easy to mentally internalize it so you don't have to think >about it. so its not intuitive... what a pity... >I keep think I want a pair of four finger controllers that would >sense pressure and have a very physical give to them. When I looked at the picture on the site, the position of the faders called my attention. First positively, because they look ergonomic, but then I saw that the the one for the ring finger is further up than the one for the middle finger, so its not ergonomic... not very bad, but it shows some design attitude, no? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 12 11:00:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04265; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:59:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:59:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <15rzBx-2HTf60C@fwd05.sul.t-online.com> References: <200110120111.VAA19594@hemlock.violacea.com> <15rzBx-2HTf60C@fwd05.sul.t-online.com> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 11:59:28 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: expert modified the A/D signal chain Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > andreas said > > >> >I had both my G-Force and the EDP modified in the A/D >> >signal chain by an expert tech last year and they are much better now, >> >clearer sounding and better dynamics for shure. He didn't promote this to >> >me, only offered this after I kept complaining. >> >> I think we talked about this privately, but you did not mention who >> did that and how. >> It seems like magic or cheating: How can anyone simply improve such >> elaborated stuff? For the EDP I could explain it with my own >> stupidity, but t.c. high end units?? >> >> >...he worked on the analog side of the >> >signal path both on the input and output. He has a copyright on this (you >> >can buy it here as a pretty expensive stand alone, the 'Effects >> Legalizer') >> >> Is that on the net somewhere? What copyright... a patent? So its public? >> Can you describe what the improvement sounds like? >Matthias, > >I just talked to the man about this and he mentioned that this is a new >development (not his older somewhat similar product) and he is still in the >process of obtaining a patent for it, so we need to use a little discretion >at this point. I will get you more info on him by seperate mail. I see, thank you! >Ever since I started using digital rack effects I used a line mixer with >them to preserve the tonal quality of my original signal. I was adding the >effect signal of my delays, reverb etc. to the original dry/direct signal >to keep loss of headroom, dynamics etc. to a minimum. The only effect I >could rely on preserving my tone used to be the tc 2290, I went directly >through it to add panning effetcs to the original as well as to the delay. reasonable... although there are other units that dont digitalize the direct signal (like the EDP), so no degradation should be audible. All the panning stuff in the 2290 is done in analog domain. There is no digital sound treatment in it, the processor (Z80, I think) only calculates the memory addresses for the delay and MIDI stuff. >I must really say that tc, while still heavily promoting their high-end >reputation, has made the sound quality of the G-force less prestine than >that of the old 2290 (maybe for production cost reasons?). Certainly! The converter in the 2290 is a big board of discrete analog and digital stuff. I built my first digital delay like that and hardly managed to get 12 bits out of it. Now you just buy a Crystal chip for 5$ or so. And through those chips they also feed the direct signal now, because it much simpler to level and mix it digitally than with the VCAs they had in the 2290. And noone would want a machine as heavy and expensive as the 2290 any more, right? >After repeated >complaints to my technician about this he told me: in your guitar amps >effect loop, try plugging in your effects device in bypass mode and >compare this to the sound that you get when you bridge the loop with a >single patchchord. I did notice a difference, and with the mod he performed >to my g-force and the EDP, that difference is gone. > >Funny enaugh, the standard op amps in effect pedals (Digitech, Boss etc.) >do not seem to be so bad. When I put a Boss pedal between guitar and amp, >I'll notice a change, but it sounds rather different than worse. Go >figure.... you have good ears, man! Sure, standard op amps distort much less and dont have a steep low cut filter as the digital path needs, with possible aliasing and pass band ripple... Its not that I would not agree about the complex situation in the high frequencies of a digital unit. I also imagine that quite some equipment is made according to measurement instead of listening... but not t.c.? And i still wonder how such problems can be solved posteriorly, externally even!? You also said in that mail: >>>You just can't use compression, filters, >>>pitch and other 'destructive' effects that way. Andys post made me understand what you mean by 'destructive' effects, as opposed to the 'adding' effects, right? It really is an interesting subject, lately because of the idea to use a portable computer. For most 'adding' effects, latency is not critical, so I seriously consider to do all the looping, reverb, added pitch shift and pitch shifted loops in the PowerBook, while continuing with analog distortion and compressor in the main path before it - and by this totally avoid digital treatment of the direct signal, as you suggest. It calls for a simple (probably MIDI controllable) way to switch off the analog direct signal in case I want to totally "destruct" my sound with pitch shift or whatever crazy plug ins. Its a pity for the filters though... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 12 11:03:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04631; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 11:02:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 11:02:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 12:02:41 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: expert modified the A/D signal chain (OT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com andy said: >If you can buy it as a stand alone I assume that means its some kind of >impedance matching interface. does not makes sense to me. >It also seems to be standard practice to eliminte all electrolytic capacitors >from the audio signal path. Yes, my master Hogg tought me that in '74 and I made very few exeptions. And no Tantalums either, because they fail. He told me then and I really kept fixing gear by replacing a lot of Tantalums later... I dont know how he new, they were just new then... :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 12 11:42:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06085; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 11:41:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 11:41:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011011234656.01bc6a20@mulder.intermag.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011011234656.01bc6a20@mulder.intermag.com> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 08:37:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: RE: MIDIMAN Surface One Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >The new Moog (Big Briar) Voyager synth you mean to tell me that Big Briar held a CONTEST to name their new synth, and the best name they came up with was VOYAGER? I sure hope is outperforms Alesis' Andromeda, cuz the name sure sounds like a crappy 'space-theme' ripoff of that unit. btw, is there a url or any info on the current state of Alesis anywhere? I know they had put a lot of energy into the Andromeda, which i saw at l.a. namm last january. i've got a qs6 that i'd like to know whether i'll be able to get service or parts for if the need comes up. rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 12 12:19:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08473; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 12:18:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 12:18:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011012091015.01d4a078@mulder.intermag.com> X-Sender: mpulver@mulder.intermag.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 09:17:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Big Briar and Alesis (was: RE: MIDIMAN Surface One) In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011011234656.01bc6a20@mulder.intermag.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20011011234656.01bc6a20@mulder.intermag.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com rich (08:37 AM 10.12.2001) wrote: >>The new Moog (Big Briar) Voyager synth > >you mean to tell me that Big Briar held a CONTEST to name their new >synth, and the best name they came up with was VOYAGER? I sure hope >is outperforms Alesis' Andromeda, cuz the name sure sounds like a >crappy 'space-theme' ripoff of that unit. :) There was a lot of "displeasure" of the name... I had a peek at what the judges were given for names and even got my own comments in on some of them. But, in the end, the decision was Bob's and he liked "Voyager". There's commentary about the why up on the BB web site: http://www.bigbriar.com/news/bytes/071601/contest.html >btw, is there a url or any info on the current state of Alesis anywhere? >I know they had put a lot of energy into the Andromeda, which i saw at >l.a. namm last january. i've got a qs6 that i'd like to know whether >i'll be able to get service or parts for if the need comes up. Alesis is still coming back around. The production line is getting set back up now with the intent of firing up and getting Andromeda back into the channel. Service and parts wise, I know that all of the parts inventory came to the "new" Alesis. I _think_ that the all the service centers are back online, I know that the new office location _is_ servicing gear. You may find dealers out on the network that aren't quite "with it" and claim that Alesis is out of business and dead. That's been a bit of an issue to overcome. I'll check with my Alesis contact specifically about status of things like your QS6 and drop a line back. (btw, the Andromeda is quite a nice machine!) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 12 12:59:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09921; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 12:58:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 12:58:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BC72FD0.B2C2A035@cabq.gov> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 11:00:49 -0700 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: LD T-Shirts: Last Call References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011011234656.01bc6a20@mulder.intermag.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20011011234656.01bc6a20@mulder.intermag.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20011012091015.01d4a078@mulder.intermag.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Loopers, Just wanted to remind folks that this weekend is last call for T-shirts... Sunday evening is the official deadline, I will be placing the order first thing on Monday morning. So far 25 LD'ers have ordered & paid for shirts, which is quite a bit less than I had expected. This project was organized to help pay for the Loopers Delight Site & to get us a distinctive symbol of our Loopiness in the process. If you value the LD site & this list, then by all means go for a shirt! If you are hesitant to use this newfangled "PayPal" stuff then contact me privately, as I have been working with a few of our neo-luddite brethren out there. Its been great being the LD Poster boy & basking in all the fame that "Front Page" exposure on Loopers Delight brings. I'm really gonna miss the job offers, marriage proposals and equipment endorsements, but after Sunday my real work begins. Order a shirt and I might even have to break a sweat, filling out all those mailing labels, stuffing n' sealing all them envelopes, cycling to the Post Office in the cold desert air. As it is now, the job is just going to be too damn easy. 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------=_NextPart_000_014F_01C15320.1C1CE880-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 12 13:22:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12042; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 13:21:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 13:21:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:21:15 -0700 Subject: Re: Big Briar and Alesis (was: RE: MIDIMAN Surface One) From: Allan Hoeltje To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011012091015.01d4a078@mulder.intermag.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Displeasure certainly sums it up. The contest rules said that the name could not contain the words "Mini" or "Moog". My entry was "Little Big Briar" thinking that it left the field wide open for a "Big Big Briar". :-) I was also disappointed that the BB web site makes a big point about selling the Voyager to "collectors". No doubt that this new MiniMoog is a great machine but I would rather see BB marketing aimed at musicians. -Allan (too poor to add a Voyager to my "collection") on 10/12/01 9:17 AM, Mark Pulver at mark@midiwall.com wrote: > rich (08:37 AM 10.12.2001) wrote: > >>> The new Moog (Big Briar) Voyager synth >> >> you mean to tell me that Big Briar held a CONTEST to name their new >> synth, and the best name they came up with was VOYAGER? I sure hope >> is outperforms Alesis' Andromeda, cuz the name sure sounds like a >> crappy 'space-theme' ripoff of that unit. > > :) There was a lot of "displeasure" of the name... I had a peek at what the > judges were given for names and even got my own comments in on some of > them. But, in the end, the decision was Bob's and he liked "Voyager". > There's commentary about the why up on the BB web site: > > http://www.bigbriar.com/news/bytes/071601/contest.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 12 13:31:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12508; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 13:30:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 13:30:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c15343$b99be340$a45330d5@snowmonster> Reply-To: "one less than none" From: "one less than none" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011011234656.01bc6a20@mulder.intermag.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20011011234656.01bc6a20@mulder.intermag.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20011012091015.01d4a078@mulder.intermag.com> <3BC72FD0.B2C2A035@cabq.gov> Subject: Re: LD T-Shirts: Last Call Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 18:31:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <0xsHc.A.2CD.Xiyx7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com HI im interested in a t-shirt but i dont have a paypal account and dont fancy sending a cc number by email (i live in the uk) is there any way we can do this ?? Thanks David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Fink" To: Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 7:00 PM Subject: LD T-Shirts: Last Call > > Hi Loopers, > > Just wanted to remind folks that this weekend is last call > for T-shirts... Sunday evening is the official deadline, > I will be placing the order first thing on Monday morning. > > So far 25 LD'ers have ordered & paid for shirts, which is > quite a bit less than I had expected. This project was > organized to help pay for the Loopers Delight Site & > to get us a distinctive symbol of our Loopiness in the > process. If you value the LD site & this list, then by > all means go for a shirt! > > If you are hesitant to use this newfangled "PayPal" stuff > then contact me privately, as I have been working with > a few of our neo-luddite brethren out there. > > Its been great being the LD Poster boy & basking in all the > fame that "Front Page" exposure on Loopers Delight brings. > I'm really gonna miss the job offers, marriage proposals and > equipment endorsements, but after Sunday my real work begins. > > Order a shirt and I might even have to break a sweat, filling > out all those mailing labels, stuffing n' sealing all them envelopes, > cycling to the Post Office in the cold desert air. As it is now, > the job is just going to be too damn easy. > > Here ya go: > > http://www.loopersdelight.com/shirts/shirt-0ct2001.html > > later, > -jas > Albuquerque > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 12 13:34:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12707; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 13:33:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 13:33:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3BC72FD0.B2C2A035@cabq.gov> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011011234656.01bc6a20@mulder.intermag.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20011011234656.01bc6a20@mulder.intermag.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20011012091015.01d4a078@mulder.intermag.com> <3BC72FD0.B2C2A035@cabq.gov> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:29:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: LD T-Shirts: Last Call Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >So far 25 LD'ers have ordered & paid for shirts, sorry in advance to be snotty, but only 25? after all the bitching that's been thrown around here with "gimme what i want and give it to me NOW!" sentiments? jason picked this project up where kim and i ran out of time to do it and kudos to him. all proceeds are going to this forum...so keep the bitch haven alive! order your shirts... NOW! best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 12 13:57:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13687; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 13:56:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 13:56:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011012104313.02694ee8@mulder.intermag.com> X-Sender: mpulver@mulder.intermag.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:54:33 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: [OT] Re: Big Briar and Alesis In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011012091015.01d4a078@mulder.intermag.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2001 17:55:14.0887 (UTC) FILETIME=[0BCD4570:01C15347] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Allan Hoeltje (10:21 AM 10.12.2001) wrote: >Displeasure certainly sums it up. The contest rules said that the name >could not contain the words "Mini" or "Moog". Yeup, very true. That's because at the time that the contest started, Bob had not secured the rights to all the "Moog" naming derivatives. But, _during_ the contest timeframe, the patent/copyright/trademark offices all signed the paperwork and Bob re-acquired the names. The lawyers were done with the paperwork well over a year ago. Then, to work within basically new guidelines, the judges were told that the name had to sound good prefaced with both "Big Briar" and "Moog". They were also told that "minimoog" was to be a new line of gear, and that it might preface the name of the machine. >My entry was "Little Big >Briar" thinking that it left the field wide open for a "Big Big Briar". :-) :) There were thousands of entries, and they were shrunk down to about 100 that the judges received. >I was also disappointed that the BB web site makes a big point about selling >the Voyager to "collectors". No doubt that this new MiniMoog is a great >machine but I would rather see BB marketing aimed at musicians. Well, Bob knows that the machine will find it's home with collectors, and is pretty open about the Signature series being for them. But, from day one, Bob wanted the machine to be attractive to _players_. The Performer series ($500 less than the Signature machine) is aimed there... The price of either machine is steep, and there has been a lot of conversation about that on the various lists, newsgroups, web sites, etc. The bottom line is that the machine won't fit into everyone's budget. But, the cost of the machine is "fair" when you compare it to the cost of a vintage Mini in great condition and add in a full MIDI interface along with a bunch of mods to get to the point of the capabilities of the Voyager. ...and you still don't get patch storage and the fun that Bob has in store for the machine's future. :) And yeah, I agree, don't buy on futures in this business. I'm just babbling. :) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 12 13:59:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13833; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 13:58:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 13:58:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200110121758.f9CHwEh09498@chmls06.mediaone.net> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 13:53:28 -0400 From: Dean Stiglitz Subject: re[2]: MIDIMAN Surface One To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: Peter Cohen Associates X-Mailer: GoldMine [5.50.10424] Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA13781 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com our band, the lothars, tried to do an online contest for the names of some of the tracks...it didn't work too well..mostly, the names didn't resonate with how we felt about the music...we ended up calling them metalic sonata #1, #2, and #3...my favorite entry was "porno burger" deknow From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 12 14:13:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15546; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 14:12:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 14:12:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20011012092814.00adbcc0@crash.cts.com> X-Sender: harvey@crash.cts.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 09:28:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Harvey Starr Subject: Re: Thunder was RE: MIDIMAN Surface One In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi! we've been building PSR [ Pressure Sensitive Resistive ] surfaces for 10 years and it occurs to me that we could retrofit the Thunder with a new overlay with better response or new electronics which also may improve the response but would change the user-interface, maybe for the better (?). However, at that point all that's left is the physical layout and maybe one would want a new instrument entirely. Just a thought... -harveyS At 01:54 AM 10/12/01 -0400, you wrote: >I've had a love/hate relationship with this instrument for years. I >spent way too much time writing custom software for which the thunder >was the front end, but eventually got tired of its limitations. > >It feels like playing a rock. >The active area of its pads is much shorter than it looks. >If you completely release pressure, but are still touching it, it >sends a note off. > >As a physical interface, it leaves much to be desired, because the >relationship between gesture in and midi out isn't clear enough to >make it easy to mentally internalize it so you don't have to think >about it. > >I keep think I want a pair of four finger controllers that would >sense pressure and have a very physical give to them. > > >At 1:07 AM -0400 10/12/01, Tom Ritchford wrote: >>>Does the Thunder, which I believe uses FSR (force-sensitive >>>resistor) technology, offer XY position and pressure information >>>from a single "pad"? >> >>you can get velocity, "pressure" (actually the cross-sectional area of your >>finger apparently) and x position. >> >>there are lots of other interesting features that make the Buchla a cool >>instrument, though! >> >> /.t >> >> >>http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. >>http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. >>http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. > > >-- > >"Freedom is a scary thing --- Not many people really want it" > -- Laurie Anderson > > Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. >Video Producer Image Processing Specialist >Video for your HEAD! Boris FX >http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com > > > http://www.starrlabs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 12 15:15:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19052; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 15:14:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 15:14:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BC74309.6C98@Hevanet.Com.> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 12:22:49 -0700 From: DaViD AuKeR X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LD T-Shirts: Last Call References: <200110121813.OAA15632@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rich said: > > all proceeds are going to this forum...so keep the bitch haven alive! > order your shirts... > Do take a moment and order, =yes=! David - one of the current 25 - From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 12 15:43:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20108; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 15:40:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 15:40:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BC755D2.3E1363E5@cabq.gov> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 13:42:58 -0700 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: LD t-shirt: Front Printing Only References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim, I am trying to get my ducks in a row here... Are you still interested in getting 2 of the "special" tshirts? Lemme know! -jas Tim Goodwin wrote: > I would be interested in this as well... > > -- > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: jim palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] > Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 12:33 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: LD t-shirt: Status Report > > can you run some with just the front design? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 12 15:49:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20205; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 15:42:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 15:42:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BC75637.EE2407EA@cabq.gov> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 13:44:39 -0700 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LD t-shirt: Front Printing Only References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry about that guys! ment for Tim only... And I have been doing so good with my posting lately! -jas Albuquerque From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 12 17:12:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25838; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 17:09:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 17:09:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007301c15361$ac4ac940$374728d5@a123456789> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011011234656.01bc6a20@mulder.intermag.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20011011234656.01bc6a20@mulder.intermag.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20011012091015.01d4a078@mulder.intermag.com> <3BC72FD0.B2C2A035@cabq.gov> Subject: Re: LD T-Shirts: Last Call Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 22:05:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Jas, I tried to register with that pay pal thingy yesterday but it just pissed me off - so many questions then it had the cheek to say I used the wrong password. That was it for me. Is there another way for a brit to pay for this ? Gareth > > Hi Loopers, > > Just wanted to remind folks that this weekend is last call > for T-shirts... Sunday evening is the official deadline, > I will be placing the order first thing on Monday morning. > > So far 25 LD'ers have ordered & paid for shirts, which is > quite a bit less than I had expected. This project was > organized to help pay for the Loopers Delight Site & > to get us a distinctive symbol of our Loopiness in the > process. If you value the LD site & this list, then by > all means go for a shirt! > > If you are hesitant to use this newfangled "PayPal" stuff > then contact me privately, as I have been working with > a few of our neo-luddite brethren out there. > > Its been great being the LD Poster boy & basking in all the > fame that "Front Page" exposure on Loopers Delight brings. > I'm really gonna miss the job offers, marriage proposals and > equipment endorsements, but after Sunday my real work begins. > > Order a shirt and I might even have to break a sweat, filling > out all those mailing labels, stuffing n' sealing all them envelopes, > cycling to the Post Office in the cold desert air. As it is now, > the job is just going to be too damn easy. > > Here ya go: > > http://www.loopersdelight.com/shirts/shirt-0ct2001.html > > later, > -jas > Albuquerque > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 12 17:58:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27398; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 17:56:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 17:56:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011012145057.01e9bea8@mulder.intermag.com> X-Sender: mpulver@mulder.intermag.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 14:55:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Alesis product support In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011012091015.01d4a078@mulder.intermag.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011011234656.01bc6a20@mulder.intermag.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20011011234656.01bc6a20@mulder.intermag.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Pulver (09:17 AM 10.12.2001) wrote: >rich (08:37 AM 10.12.2001) wrote: > > >i've got a qs6 that i'd like to know whether > >i'll be able to get service or parts for if the need comes up. > >I'll check with my Alesis contact specifically about status of things >like your QS6 and drop a line back. I've talked to my Alesis contact. The way to get an official line on this is to start with a local service center, have them get info from Alesis and then relay it to you. There are two sides to this sideways/political answer... "Side A" is that part of the policy setting for supporting older products will be done by the service center themselves. "Side B" is that my contact doesn't want to be quoted in policy situations for this area. :) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 12 18:15:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28896; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 18:08:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 18:08:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: expert modified the A/D signal chain Reply-To: A.Willers@t-online.de In-Reply-To: <200110121813.OAA15630@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200110121813.OAA15630@hemlock.violacea.com> From: A.Willers@t-online.de (A.Willers) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 00:07:57 +0000 X-Mailer: Musashi 3.2.3-es Message-ID: <15sASm-0Ji1LMC@fwd00.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 520012547034-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >After repeated > >complaints to my technician about this he told me: in your guitar amps > >effect loop, try plugging in your effects device in bypass mode and > >compare this to the sound that you get when you bridge the loop with a > >single patchchord. I did notice a difference, and with the mod he > performed > >to my g-force and the EDP, that difference is gone. > > > >Funny enaugh, the standard op amps in effect pedals (Digitech, Boss etc.) > >do not seem to be so bad. When I put a Boss pedal between guitar and amp, > >I'll notice a change, but it sounds rather different than worse. Go > >figure.... > > you have good ears, man! Thanks, it was a long and expensive training ;-) > Sure, standard op amps distort much less and dont have a steep low > cut filter as the digital path needs, with possible aliasing and pass > band ripple... > > Its not that I would not agree about the complex situation in the > high frequencies of a digital unit. I also imagine that quite some > equipment is made according to measurement instead of listening... > You also said in that mail: > >>>You just can't use compression, filters, > >>>pitch and other 'destructive' effects that way. > > Andys post made me understand what you mean by 'destructive' effects, > as opposed to the 'adding' effects, right? Yes. Sorry, maybe the terms prallel effects loop vs. serial effects loop would have been better. By having this mod done, I can get rid of a mixer and can use effects with 0% dry signal like e.q., whammy-type pitch shifts (chasing two slightly off-sync pitches from 2 octaves above to one octave down via expression pedal is my fave this week...totally non-sparse, tasteless, you get the point), compression etc. > It really is an interesting subject, lately because of the idea to > use a portable computer. For most 'adding' effects, latency is not > critical, so I seriously consider to do all the looping, reverb, > added pitch shift and pitch shifted loops in the PowerBook, while > continuing with analog distortion and compressor in the main path > before it - and by this totally avoid digital treatment of the direct > signal, as you suggest. BTW, I forgot who recently mentioned that Bartok chord (ascending E, G, C, D#, simply moving around in constant structure). Nice lick, that really stuck. Thanks! andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 13 00:03:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA18028; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 00:01:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 00:01:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c1539c$231d2240$3c4de540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <7D4D951568BED111B4C900805FF5E50D09ECA687@w12tcxu03.tv.bbc.co.uk> Subject: Re: stereo delay Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 00:04:20 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > there are plenty of mono delay devices around, but not many of them have a > delay time of 10 seconds and the ones that do are either pedals, or > horrendously expensive rack units which do loads of other stuff as well - i > just need some delay which i will leave set and then just feed them with > some input as required during a performance... Hi Sim, I'll repeat ;-) You may find a very cheap pair of DOD D12s which would do just that. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.mp3.com/dreamSTATE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 13 04:23:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA01472; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 04:21:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 04:21:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002d01c153bf$aab2fb80$40bc28d5@a123456789> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <002901c13592$c4de12b0$6501a8c0@stevespc> Subject: Re:Insects Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 09:18:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Richard, Though you might be interested in this :- Spontaneous generation in Mexico Have you made any music based on insect sounds? Spontaneous generation is a project that will be presented on a concert of the first congress of "Old Knowledge/Contemporary World" to be held in the city of Oaxaca Mexico on December 5-7 2001. This concert will then be presented in other venues. Tape-only compositions that deal with any kind of insect sounds are accepted. Submission deadline for the Oaxaca concert is on November 10th (although people can still send works after that for subsequent concerts). Interested people can send their works with a short CV and one paragraph with the notes of the work presented and an email for contact. Only the people selected will be informed by electronic mail not later than November 25. Only DAT 44100 kHz and Burned CD's will be accepted. Please send your compositions to: Manuel Rocha Iturbide / Heliotropo 156 / Col Barrio del niño Jesus / CP 04330 MÈxico DF MEXICO /Tel 56 59 59 94 -=- Il dovere dei vivi e' quello di vivere e di cercare di migliorare la vita di tutti - Roberto D'Autilia (The duty of the living is to live and to seek to improve life for all) Gareth, (from loopers delight) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 13 04:23:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA01508; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 04:22:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 04:22:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003301c153bf$d1d15360$40bc28d5@a123456789> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011011234656.01bc6a20@mulder.intermag.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20011011234656.01bc6a20@mulder.intermag.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20011012091015.01d4a078@mulder.intermag.com> <3BC72FD0.B2C2A035@cabq.gov> Subject: Re oops - insects Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 09:19:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry about that last one - meant for richrd Zvonar. Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 13 05:16:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA04189; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 05:15:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 05:15:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Andy Ewen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Looper development and production costs? Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 04:15:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <4vLIfC.A.RBB.eYAy7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nick, if you are serious about getting 4 EDPs, I can probably sort out a very good discount. If it were only up to me, I'd send you 4 direct from here in the UK, but I don't want to tread on any Gibson reps toes, so they'd better come from the warehouse in Elgin, Chicago. Let me know and I'll have a word in the correct ears, Andy. andy.ewen@ trace-elliot.com -----Original Message----- From: nick douglas [mailto:nickd@mindspring.com] Sent: 12 October 2001 06:20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Matthias wrote: >would that be acceptable? Simultaneous playback of several loops? Of different lengths? In Stereo? Near the current price? HUGE tracts of ... RAM? More than acceptable, that is wonderful! Heavenly! I've wanted four EDPs forever (two stereo pairs), but it's too much money. :( I'm ecstatic to hear that the software is (largely) portable to new processors and readily adaptable for multi-loop simultaneous stereo. Could it overdub into two stereo loops of different length at once? If so, one EDP could sometimes do the jobs of four (or Fripp's four TC2290s)! A steep discount on pairs of EDPs could prompt me not to wait. Buy one at the dealer's normal price, get the next one (or two or three?) at 50% off should do it. The more i hear about the Repeater, the more i lust for multiple EDPs. my $0.02 -nick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 13 12:27:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25108; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 12:26:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 12:26:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 09:18:27 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re:Insects In-reply-to: <002d01c153bf$aab2fb80$40bc28d5@a123456789> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <002901c13592$c4de12b0$6501a8c0@stevespc> <002d01c153bf$aab2fb80$40bc28d5@a123456789> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:18 AM +0100 10/13/01, whiteoakstudios wrote: >Though you might be interested in this :- > >Spontaneous generation in Mexico >Have you made any music based on insect sounds? Thanks. It's on my list of submissions for my cricket/frog piece "Frikkit!" I've used insect and insect-like sounds on a number of pieces. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 13 13:11:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27689; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 13:10:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 13:10:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.1.20011013130726.00a05460@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: taghairm@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 13:08:06 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: p koniuto Subject: Re: LD T-Shirts: Last Call In-Reply-To: <3BC72FD0.B2C2A035@cabq.gov> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011011234656.01bc6a20@mulder.intermag.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20011011234656.01bc6a20@mulder.intermag.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20011012091015.01d4a078@mulder.intermag.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jason: I'm ready to order a second one for the cause, but i can't get the little paypal link to work! -peter At 11:00 AM 10/12/01 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Loopers, > > Just wanted to remind folks that this weekend is last call > for T-shirts... Sunday evening is the official deadline, > I will be placing the order first thing on Monday morning. > > So far 25 LD'ers have ordered & paid for shirts, which is > quite a bit less than I had expected. This project was > organized to help pay for the Loopers Delight Site & > to get us a distinctive symbol of our Loopiness in the > process. If you value the LD site & this list, then by > all means go for a shirt! > > If you are hesitant to use this newfangled "PayPal" stuff > then contact me privately, as I have been working with > a few of our neo-luddite brethren out there. > > Its been great being the LD Poster boy & basking in all the > fame that "Front Page" exposure on Loopers Delight brings. > I'm really gonna miss the job offers, marriage proposals and > equipment endorsements, but after Sunday my real work begins. > > Order a shirt and I might even have to break a sweat, filling > out all those mailing labels, stuffing n' sealing all them envelopes, > cycling to the Post Office in the cold desert air. As it is now, > the job is just going to be too damn easy. > > Here ya go: > > http://www.loopersdelight.com/shirts/shirt-0ct2001.html > >later, >-jas >Albuquerque From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 13 15:02:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00660; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 15:01:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 15:01:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 12:01:28 -0700 Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One thing that I don't think has been mentioned here is promotion. I've NEVER seen and add featuring the EDP. Ever. Didn't even know about it until I bought a JamMan and subscribed to this list. Never makes the cover of any catalogs I get. Never heard of a product demo in any store. The loopers' list is good, but is it visible to the entire music buying public? Seems more or less invisible to the public, in my opinion. No wonder it's not a staple of everyone's rack. Now Electrix is not doing much better, in my opinion. They really need to buy some ad space. Send reps out to the stores to do demos. The usual. I know that's money, but it takes it to make it. Nice Repeater product placement with Torn as he's starting the new Bowie project. That should help get the word out. Gibson needs to give a couple of EDPs to Fripp or Belew. Someone big. Even someone more visible like Radiohead would be great. I know some people that went and bought KAOSS pads after seeing Radiohead perform with them. Also (I'm going to get it for this) The EDP is ugly. Repeater is ugly too, but in a good way, IMO. It says, "Space 1999." It says, "I've got a bunch of very state of the art high tech stuff going on in here." I've always felt the EDP looked a bit home made, kludgy. Looks won't make a product, but they sure help. When Korg started the Trinity line, the store I worked in got a LOT of attention. They looked like something Captain Picard would play. If Gibson cares about selling EDPs, they'd get an industrial designer to redesign the face plate. Graphic designer to redo the logo. Do any of these things make the EDP a better product? No, but extra sales would sure influence someone into throwing cash at an EDP 2 project. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, October 13, 2001, at 02:15 AM, Andy Ewen wrote: > Nick, if you are serious about getting 4 EDPs, I can probably sort out a > very good discount. If it were only up to me, I'd send you 4 direct from > here in the UK, but I don't want to tread on any Gibson reps toes, so > they'd > better come from the warehouse in Elgin, Chicago. > Let me know and I'll have a word in the correct ears, > Andy. > > andy.ewen@ trace-elliot.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: nick douglas [mailto:nickd@mindspring.com] > Sent: 12 October 2001 06:20 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? > > > Matthias wrote: >> would that be acceptable? > > Simultaneous playback of several loops? Of different lengths? In > Stereo? > Near the current price? HUGE tracts of ... RAM? > > More than acceptable, that is wonderful! Heavenly! I've wanted four > EDPs > forever (two stereo pairs), but it's too much money. :( I'm ecstatic to > hear that the software is (largely) portable to new processors and > readily > adaptable for multi-loop simultaneous stereo. Could it overdub into two > stereo loops of different length at once? If so, one EDP could > sometimes do > the jobs of four (or Fripp's four TC2290s)! > > A steep discount on pairs of EDPs could prompt me not to wait. Buy one > at > the dealer's normal price, get the next one (or two or three?) at 50% > off > should do it. The more i hear about the Repeater, the more i lust for > multiple EDPs. > > my $0.02 > -nick > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 13 16:14:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04036; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 16:13:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 16:13:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 16:12:18 -0400 Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Doug Miller To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <99DE3B54-C016-11D5-B126-00306587FF4E@columbus.rr.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Any $ put into design ALWAYS pays off big time on the bottom line. > If Gibson cares about selling EDPs, they'd get an industrial designer > to redesign the face plate. Graphic designer to redo the logo. Do any > of these things make the EDP a better product? No, but extra sales > would sure influence someone into throwing cash at an EDP 2 project. __________________________ Doug Miller Graphic Designer http://www.dispatch.com http://www.cccn.org http://home.columbus.rr.com/~dmiller From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 13 16:14:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04063; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 16:13:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 16:13:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: DOD DFX9 Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 16:12:23 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c15423$5f3e6e00$3b2f04d1@ij.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <15ZTND.A.V_.aBKy7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a chance to buy a used DOD DFX9 1 second delay/sampler pedal for around $20-30US. It came out in about '95, and might be a fun way to augment my DL4, or just for simple looping. Anyone that has/had this pedal have any ideas to share? Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 13 16:24:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04509; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 16:23:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 16:23:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002d01c15424$b2efcb60$0601a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <000201c15423$5f3e6e00$3b2f04d1@ij.net> Subject: Re: DOD DFX9 Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 13:21:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <3tJt3B.A.HGB.FKKy7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For 20-30 bucks- buy it now, ask questions later! 1 second is not much but placed before the DL4 can be cool- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "future perfect" To: Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 1:12 PM Subject: DOD DFX9 > I have a chance to buy a used DOD DFX9 1 second delay/sampler pedal for > around $20-30US. It came out in about '95, and might be a fun way to > augment my DL4, or just for simple looping. Anyone that has/had this > pedal have any ideas to share? > > Dave Eichenberger > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 13 16:59:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05582; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 16:58:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 16:58:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 15:57:54 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <015201c15429$baf9a600$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <006f01c151b6$df90efc0$66effea9@oemcomputer> Resent-Message-ID: <_9b58C.A.wWB.YrKy7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Jim lists: > >- don't go againinator > >- digital i/o > > s/pdif? USB? FireWire? > i was thinking aes/ebu but some thinking about which format would definitely be in order... > >- balanced analog i/o > > what for? I would rather like the jacks to be stereo. I hate to > connect two cables and keep modifying all of my equipment for stereo > cables... The line ins of my small Mackie are L/Mono - R/Stereo - > without any loss or cost, just an hour of work :-) i'm just one of those finicky audio freaks... but if you had digital i/o, then us freaks could use our own converters and get balanced signals. i agree that cabling is a mess. i am currently trying to figure out how my rig will be configured for live looping. i promised rick walker a show early next year... > >- stereo > > certainly > > >- expandable memory. > > certainly, actual SIMMs or flash card (more expensive!)? > i think both. internal memory on sims. i like the repeaters compact flash card idea as well... > >- flash os > > yes > > >- variable sample rates (lo-fi up to high res) > > what for? once RAM is sufficiently cheap? > One thing I think a lot about: To maintain Brother compatibility with > the old EDPs, it would be interesting to keep the clock at 41k. I > dont think this rate seriously affects sound quality. > But for further compatibility, we would have to have 44.1kHz, too... > another parameter? > i like going lo fi to get that nasty grunge (see? i'm not totally finicky...) i like monkeying with the clock rate on delay devices to get weird pitch/time shifts... > >here's an idea: if gibson is not interested, why not have an open > >source design project? > >i think enough people would be interested in the project to make it happen. > >and then when the design work was done (an interesting term in open > >source, i know), > >gibson could run with it... > > The design is not owned by Gibson and the licence is not exclusive, > but quite some money and structure to develop and distribute is > needed... > Do you suggest that this effort would be made by the community, too? > if we followed dennis' idea of using standard computer hardware, then yes. otherwise i was just thinking gibson might jump on it if the design work were already done (less r&d) this had to be at least part of their thinking in continuing production after taking over oberheim, right? > The present structure of the soft would hardly allow an open source > design and I would not be willing to give away 8 years of work for > which I did not get back yet what I put into it... I mayb e wrong... > But as we worked up to now, quite some user wishes have been > implemented and this could grow further. > Once the upgrade is done, for example, I could imagine to assemble > personal EPROMs with special variations of the functions for a > reasonable money. > linux developers make pretty good money, don't they? especially the ones most involved in the design of the os... i think people would still pay for custom mods... have you not recovered startup costs? or are you referring to the time you have spent? i certainly don't think you should be working for free... (i realize that may seem a bit self-contradictory) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 13 18:16:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10251; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 18:15:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 18:15:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c15435$01748d60$2cd81f3e@snowmonster> Reply-To: "one less than none" From: "one less than none" To: Subject: new version of Loop ?? Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 23:18:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C1543D.6173C5C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C1543D.6173C5C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HI reading another post Kim hinted that there would be a new version of = loop coming out, does anyone know when this is ? Also what new functions do we get to play with ? And how do i 'install' the new software to my EDP ? thanks one less than none http://www.onelessthannone.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C1543D.6173C5C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
HI reading another post Kim hinted that = there would=20 be a new version of loop coming out, does anyone know when this is=20 ?
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------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C1543D.6173C5C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 13 18:31:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10818; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 18:30:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 18:30:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c15437$429ceec0$4643e540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 18:34:45 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Also (I'm going to get it for this) The EDP is ugly. ... > If Gibson cares about selling > EDPs, they'd get an industrial designer to redesign the face plate. > Graphic designer to redo the logo. Do any of these things make the EDP > a better product? No, but extra sales would sure influence someone into > throwing cash at an EDP 2 project. Sometimes it's as easy as painting it black. ;-) Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.mp3.com/dreamSTATE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 13 19:45:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14288; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 19:43:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 19:43:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c15438$7755d4a0$0e0aa8c0@den> From: "Doug Cox" To: Subject: Archive search? Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 18:43:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Am I doing something wrong, or is the archive search at loopers-delight.com really screwed up? Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 13 19:50:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14544; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 19:50:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 19:50:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Archive search? Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 19:49:01 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c15441$a27ea220$3b2f04d1@ij.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-reply-to: <000701c15438$7755d4a0$0e0aa8c0@den> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wasn't working for me either, so I tried searching for 'Echoplex' and nothing came up. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > Am I doing something wrong, or is the archive search at > loopers-delight.com really screwed up? > > Doug > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 13 20:48:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17447; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 20:46:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 20:46:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BC8D2A8.3A482D65@sigecom.net> Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 19:47:54 -0400 From: Scott Winzinger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: unsubscribe References: <200110132231.SAA10877@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------5DCF4375EE2A2188F7C5A63A" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------5DCF4375EE2A2188F7C5A63A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribe > --------------5DCF4375EE2A2188F7C5A63A Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribe
 
--------------5DCF4375EE2A2188F7C5A63A-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 13 21:22:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19730; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 21:21:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 21:21:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011013163443.04c2ec98@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 18:18:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? In-Reply-To: <99DE3B54-C016-11D5-B126-00306587FF4E@columbus.rr.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:12 PM 10/13/2001, Doug Miller wrote: >Any $ put into design ALWAYS pays off big time on the bottom line. > >>If Gibson cares about selling EDPs, they'd get an industrial designer to >>redesign the face plate. Graphic designer to redo the logo. Do any of >>these things make the EDP a better product? No, but extra sales would >>sure influence someone into throwing cash at an EDP 2 project. >__________________________ >Doug Miller >Graphic Designer I guess it makes sense that a graphic designer would think so. I tend to agree. but again, let's look at numbers to do such a project. How much would it cost to for this design work, and how many more sales would it generate? Would the additional sales even be enough to cover the additional cost? I'll make some wild guess estimates. Since you want to redesign the faceplate, in addition to industrial designers and graphic designers that requires new engineering work to do the mechanical redesign of the metal, and then the electrical engineering and PCB layout of the front panel PCB that holds the parts. Then of course, the NRE charges for retooling the metal and PCB fabrication, and silkscreens for the paint, etc. Probably you need to redesign and reprint any marketing literature also. I guess you have to redesign the footpedal too, but I won't count that. So I'll estimate: Industrial design: $20,000 (that's much cheaper than ID estimates I've gotten for other things, but we'll find some cheap guy to do it..) Graphic design of new logo: $5000 (? not sure what that costs.) mechanical engineer for 1 week: $5000 electrical engineer for 1 week: $5000 PCB layout designer for 1 week: $5000 NRE charges on PCB and metal tooling: $5,000 prototype build and testing: $7500 redesign, reprint marketing lit: $2500 = $55,000 How many extra units do we need to sell to break even on that? if list price is $1150, wholesale is probably half, $575. Probably 50% of wholesale price is COGS, so that leaves $287.50/unit after manufacturing costs. we have a corporate requirement to maintain 30% margin, which is not even that much for a low volume product, but .3 x 575 = 172.50, so that leaves us with $115. presumably the division has overhead costs to pay for office rent, salaries, etc., let's say that's 10% of income which is probably too low, or $57.50/unit, leaving us with $57.50. But let's say we tighten our belts somewhere and manage to devote $75/unit to pay for this redesign. $55,000 / $75 = 733 units needed to be sold just to pay off the cost of this redesign and break even. I guess these should be counted as additional sales beyond current figures to make it worthwhile. There have been very few years in the echoplex's history where that kind of volume was done, so we are talking about something on the order of doubling sales or more. Even if that is the wrong way to look at it, maybe we are optimistically talking about only a 50% increase in sales needed to cover the cost and take the rest out of existing sales. We will say that is 1/2 our number above, or 367 additional units sold. Now, is a new faceplate design for this product going to generate 367 - 733 more sales? is this project realistic? How many people base their decisions on buying rack mounted musical instrument gear on how it looks? My guess is, somewhere near 0. Even if just attracting more attention is all we hope to do, will we attract that much more attention just by changing the faceplate, and convert it into 367 more sales? I doubt it. You might even lose sales because people already recognize it as it is, and you will need to spend a lot of effort to reeducate the market. If you ever tried to design a 1U 19" rack faceplate, you would know that there just isn't a whole lot of room to do anything interesting in that space, with the constraints of the hardware mounting room behind it. You mostly attract attention just by looking different from other stuff, and the echoplex accomplishes that already just by being NotBlack. If you look at a rack with an EDP in it, you spot it instantly because of the contrast with all the surrounding stuff. Even if you thought it was ugly, you still saw it first. Right now, the echoplex faceplate is fairly low cost to make, just stamped sheet metal, painted and silk-screened. We don't want to increase the cost by doing this redesign, which would raise the list price. That would reduce sales, countering whatever effect our redesign gives. So we have to limit our poor designer to avoid any fancy molding or extrusions, custom knobs and buttons, etc. unless we are willing to raise the price. He can only work with stamped sheet metal and paint.... If you ask me, that $55,000 is far better spent on advertising, in-store demos, endorsers, etc. That will bring a lot more sales than a different faceplate. Or you could spend it on new product development, etc. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 13 21:56:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21105; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 21:54:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 21:54:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011013184855.04a150f8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 18:52:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Archive search? In-Reply-To: <000701c15438$7755d4a0$0e0aa8c0@den> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hmm, it does look broken. I'll look into it. Also, please please please send me mail directly if you see some problem like that so I can deal with it. I check my own mail a lot more often than the list postings, I just happened to be checking when this came up so I saw it. It's pretty worthless to blindly ask everybody if they see a problem if the only person who can do anything about it is me. kim At 03:43 PM 10/13/2001, Doug Cox wrote: >Am I doing something wrong, or is the archive search at loopers-delight.com >really screwed up? > >Doug ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 13 22:01:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22437; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 22:00:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 22:00:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011013182005.04c3cc68@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 18:57:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:01 PM 10/13/2001, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >One thing that I don't think has been mentioned here is promotion. I've >NEVER seen and add featuring the EDP. Ever. for almost the entire history of the EDP, sales and demand have far exceeded the supply of them. There were long waiting lists up until only recently. Why would you bother spending money on advertising if you were selling everything you managed to build anyway? Now, the guys at Trace-Elliot have done a great job of getting the production line in order and happening. They finally sold through all that big waiting list and overwhelming demand. So only now does your suggestion make sense, when they finally need to go out and find new customers. Prior to now, advertising only would have exacerbated the problem of more demand than they could supply. >Now Electrix is not doing much better, in my opinion. They really need to >buy some ad space. Send reps out to the stores to do demos. The >usual. I know that's money, but it takes it to make it. What are you talking about? Electrix had repeater ads running for almost the entire last year in all the major magazines. Trouble was, they didn't have the product shipping, so it was likely money wasted... >That should help get the word out. Gibson needs to give a couple of EDPs >to Fripp or Belew. They did that already a long time ago. They did a lot of endorsement deals, from Chet Atkins to Neal Schon and a whole lot of people in between. In fact, I delivered the edp to Robert Fripp personally and gave him a brief demo of how to use it. I think he used it for a while in performances and probably still has it. Belew has one also. They slacked off on that because of the aforementioned overwhelming demand problem. Since that is fixed, now might be a good time to renew those deals so those guys talk about it in interviews. >Also (I'm going to get it for this) The EDP is ugly. > If Gibson cares about selling EDPs, they'd get an industrial designer to > redesign the face plate. >Graphic designer to redo the logo. hey man, I designed that logo and faceplate. :-) I thought I was doing pretty well because I used a font different from the basic AutoCAD text font, like every other piece of gear around at the time used. And my logo fit around the knobs pretty well. Again, reality check: this is not a field where there are budgets available to pay for "real" graphic designers and industrial design and such. The sales volumes and profit margins are just not that big. If somebody on the staff happens to know something about using a page layout program and getting a silkscreen made (as was my case) you think you are doing pretty well and let that guy run with it... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 13 22:09:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22756; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 22:08:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 22:08:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c1544c$a30efa40$0e0aa8c0@den> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011013184855.04a150f8@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Archive search? Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 21:07:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You're right. I'm worthless. Sorry! So on a different subject, which Kim could answer, but... Others might be able to help... and the answer might help others (ooo, reverse loop) I'm gonna spring for a second EDP. Although I will sometimes use it in a stereo looping setup, I'll also use it for independent loops (linked in some ratio through BrotherSync). Anyone have any luck using an ABY box to point the EFC-7 foot controller to 2 different EDPs? Or am I also going to have to spring for a second EFC-7? Second, anyone know of an ABY box that will let me point my Roland EV-5 pedal to the 2 different Feedback jacks? I haven't seen an ABY box that knows how to handle a TRS plug... If this has already been discussed, forgive me. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: Kim Flint To: Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 9:52 PM Subject: Re: Archive search? > hmm, it does look broken. I'll look into it. > > Also, please please please send me mail directly if you see some problem > like that so I can deal with it. I check my own mail a lot more often than > the list postings, I just happened to be checking when this came up so I > saw it. It's pretty worthless to blindly ask everybody if they see a > problem if the only person who can do anything about it is me. > > kim > > > At 03:43 PM 10/13/2001, Doug Cox wrote: > >Am I doing something wrong, or is the archive search at loopers-delight.com > >really screwed up? > > > >Doug > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 13 22:40:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23854; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 22:40:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 22:40:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011013193033.0263beb8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 19:37:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: echoplex pedal switching In-Reply-To: <000f01c1544c$a30efa40$0e0aa8c0@den> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011013184855.04a150f8@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:07 PM 10/13/2001, Doug Cox wrote: >So on a different subject, which Kim could answer, but... >Others might be able to help... and the answer might help others (ooo, >reverse loop) > >I'm gonna spring for a second EDP. Although I will sometimes use it in a >stereo looping setup, I'll also use it for independent loops (linked in some >ratio through BrotherSync). > >Anyone have any luck using an ABY box to point the EFC-7 foot controller to >2 different EDPs? Or am I also going to have to spring for a second EFC-7? If the switch is passive, it should work fine. I think Matthias has done this sort of thing. >Second, anyone know of an ABY box that will let me point my Roland EV-5 >pedal to the 2 different Feedback jacks? I haven't seen an ABY box that >knows how to handle a TRS plug... Feedback jack in the EDP does not use a TRS plug, and I don't think it works with an EV-5 pedal very well either. I was designed to work with a passive volume pedal, with a mono cable connected to the output jack of the pedal. This way, you can have the pedal as far away as you need from the rack instead of being limited by the flimsy short cables built into expression pedals like the ev-5. you should be able to switch the feedback connection with a passive switch as well. Another idea would be to use midi. just set the two units on different midi channels and control them independently from a midi controller. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 13 22:48:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA24389; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 22:47:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 22:47:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006701c1545a$ce3eda60$c063f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: , "\"Jason Fink\"" References: <200110132231.SAA10876@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: re: FRONT T-SHIRT design only Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 19:49:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <_qzUGC.A.x7F.uyPy7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Jason, Could I please order one of the special FRONT T-SHIRT designs as well? Just let me know where to send the funds and how much to include. Thanks a lot, yours, Rick Walker (Loop.pooL) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 3:31 PM Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #609 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 14 00:33:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA30165; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 00:32:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 00:32:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011013182005.04c3cc68@loopers-delight.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011013182005.04c3cc68@loopers-delight.com> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 01:31:52 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 12:01 PM 10/13/2001, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >>One thing that I don't think has been mentioned here is promotion. >>I've NEVER seen and add featuring the EDP. Ever. > >for almost the entire history of the EDP, sales and demand have far >exceeded the supply of them. There were long waiting lists up until >only recently. Why would you bother spending money on advertising if >you were selling everything you managed to build anyway? > >Now, the guys at Trace-Elliot have done a great job of getting the >production line in order and happening. They finally sold through >all that big waiting list and overwhelming demand. So only now does >your suggestion make sense, when they finally need to go out and >find new customers. Prior to now, advertising only would have >exacerbated the problem of more demand than they could supply. Being that "now" was in February, right? >>Also (I'm going to get it for this) The EDP is ugly. > >> If Gibson cares about selling EDPs, they'd get an industrial >>designer to redesign the face plate. >>Graphic designer to redo the logo. > >hey man, I designed that logo and faceplate. :-) I thought I was >doing pretty well yes, I think you did, Kim! you just should not have placed the LEDs below the buttons ;-) - but thats rather e what do you think of the LOOP delay (its somewhere on LD)? That was my design and logo :-) I was free to choose the color and did not have that many paramters to place, though... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 14 00:33:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA30043; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 00:32:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 00:32:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000f01c1544c$a30efa40$0e0aa8c0@den> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011013184855.04a150f8@loopers-delight.com> <000f01c1544c$a30efa40$0e0aa8c0@den> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 01:31:52 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: to control 2 EDPs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >I'm gonna spring for a second EDP. Although I will sometimes use it in a >stereo looping setup, I'll also use it for independent loops (linked in some >ratio through BrotherSync). yes, thats interesting! The best way to operate one/other/both is MIDI >Anyone have any luck using an ABY box to point the EFC-7 foot controller to >2 different EDPs? Or am I also going to have to spring for a second EFC-7? it will not control both EDPs simultaneously (unless you make it active as I did mine, but its not quite trivial), but you can easily switch it between the two and use a MIDI connection in case you use the stereo (to disconnect them, set ControlSource to OFF on one of the units, for example) >Second, anyone know of an ABY box that will let me point my Roland EV-5 >pedal to the 2 different Feedback jacks? I haven't seen an ABY box that >knows how to handle a TRS plug... similar to above to control the input or output volume with that pedal, MIDI does not transfer them from one to the other unit. I started to work out a detailed text on this a while ago and will finish it for the upgrade manual... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 14 00:33:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA30276; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 00:32:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 00:32:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000e01c15435$01748d60$2cd81f3e@snowmonster> References: <000e01c15435$01748d60$2cd81f3e@snowmonster> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 01:31:52 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: new version of Loop ?? Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Re: new version of Loop ??
HI reading another post Kim hinted that there would be a new version of loop coming out, does anyone know when this is ?

LOOP4: soon.
Also what new functions do we get to play with ?

- HalfSpeed
- Internal bpm tempo control
- 16 loops
- 16 presets for parameters and tempo
- direct MIDI access for all existing and more functions
- Sysex parameter editing (SoundDiver...)
- display of FeedBack and Volume values
- parameter values controlled by FeedBack knob
- far more acurate and flexible syncing (SongPositionPointer, rounding SycRecord, Shifting ReAligning of the loop in relation to the sequencer, quantized 8th/cycle switching...)
- loads of variations and improvements to functions that are even harder to explain in a line or two ;-)
- so far I have 26 points on my list.

Please dont ask more, we will publish the features when time is ripe.

And how do i 'install' the new software to my EDP ?

exchange two EPROM chips (the big ones with the sticker on it)
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 14 01:42:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA01512; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 01:41:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 01:41:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: new version of Loop ?? Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 01:40:05 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01c15472$ad9c6f80$3b2f04d1@ij.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wowza! Without asking to reveal anymore...if theres HalfSpeed, is there DoubleSpeed? Or is that redundant? Dave Eichenberger- http://www.hazardfactor.com - HalfSpeed - Internal bpm tempo control - 16 loops - 16 presets for parameters and tempo - direct MIDI access for all existing and more functions - Sysex parameter editing (SoundDiver...) - display of FeedBack and Volume values - parameter values controlled by FeedBack knob - far more acurate and flexible syncing (SongPositionPointer, rounding SycRecord, Shifting ReAligning of the loop in relation to the sequencer, quantized 8th/cycle switching...) - loads of variations and improvements to functions that are even harder to explain in a line or two ;-) - so far I have 26 points on my list. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 14 03:07:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06495; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 03:06:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 03:06:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 00:06:35 -0700 Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011013163443.04c2ec98@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: <0152B2A4-C072-11D5-AA2B-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't actually own one, so I can't say, but it seems like the EDP has a pretty functional faceplate. If you're looking to cut corners, I wouldn't worry about that. You can do a lot with a cool silk screen design and a nice Logo. Figure about $3-5K would more than cover it. Screw it, for loop kind, I'd do it for free. Mark (also a graphic designer) On Saturday, October 13, 2001, at 06:18 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > At 01:12 PM 10/13/2001, Doug Miller wrote: >> Any $ put into design ALWAYS pays off big time on the bottom line. >> >>> If Gibson cares about selling EDPs, they'd get an industrial designer >>> to redesign the face plate. Graphic designer to redo the logo. Do >>> any of these things make the EDP a better product? No, but extra >>> sales would sure influence someone into throwing cash at an EDP 2 >>> project. >> __________________________ >> Doug Miller >> Graphic Designer > > I guess it makes sense that a graphic designer would think so. I tend > to agree. but again, let's look at numbers to do such a project. How > much would it cost to for this design work, and how many more sales > would it generate? Would the additional sales even be enough to cover > the additional cost? I'll make some wild guess estimates. Since you > want to redesign the faceplate, in addition to industrial designers and > graphic designers that requires new engineering work to do the > mechanical redesign of the metal, and then the electrical engineering > and PCB layout of the front panel PCB that holds the parts. Then of > course, the NRE charges for retooling the metal and PCB fabrication, > and silkscreens for the paint, etc. Probably you need to redesign and > reprint any marketing literature also. I guess you have to redesign the > footpedal too, but I won't count that. So I'll estimate: > > Industrial design: $20,000 (that's much cheaper than ID estimates > I've gotten for other things, but we'll find some cheap guy to do it..) > Graphic design of new logo: $5000 (? not sure what that costs.) > mechanical engineer for 1 week: $5000 > electrical engineer for 1 week: $5000 > PCB layout designer for 1 week: $5000 > NRE charges on PCB and metal tooling: $5,000 > prototype build and testing: $7500 > redesign, reprint marketing lit: $2500 > = $55,000 > > > How many extra units do we need to sell to break even on that? > if list price is $1150, wholesale is probably half, $575. > Probably 50% of wholesale price is COGS, so that leaves $287.50/unit > after manufacturing costs. > we have a corporate requirement to maintain 30% margin, which is not > even that much for a low volume product, but .3 x 575 = 172.50, so that > leaves us with $115. presumably the division has overhead costs > to pay for office rent, salaries, etc., let's say that's 10% of income > which is probably too low, or $57.50/unit, leaving us with $57.50. But > let's say we tighten our belts somewhere and manage to devote $75/unit > to pay for this redesign. > > $55,000 / $75 = 733 units needed to be sold just to pay off the cost of > this redesign and break even. I guess these should be counted as > additional sales beyond current figures to make it worthwhile. There > have been very few years in the echoplex's history where that kind of > volume was done, so we are talking about something on the order of > doubling sales or more. Even if that is the wrong way to look at it, > maybe we are optimistically talking about only a 50% increase in sales > needed to cover the cost and take the rest out of existing sales. We > will say that is 1/2 our number above, or 367 additional units sold. > > Now, is a new faceplate design for this product going to generate 367 - > 733 more sales? is this project realistic? How many people base their > decisions on buying rack mounted musical instrument gear on how it > looks? My guess is, somewhere near 0. Even if just attracting more > attention is all we hope to do, will we attract that much more > attention just by changing the faceplate, and convert it into 367 more > sales? I doubt it. You might even lose sales because people already > recognize it as it is, and you will need to spend a lot of effort to > reeducate the market. > > If you ever tried to design a 1U 19" rack faceplate, you would know > that there just isn't a whole lot of room to do anything interesting in > that space, with the constraints of the hardware mounting room behind > it. You mostly attract attention just by looking different from other > stuff, and the echoplex accomplishes that already just by being > NotBlack. If you look at a rack with an EDP in it, you spot it > instantly because of the contrast with all the surrounding stuff. Even > if you thought it was ugly, you still saw it first. > > Right now, the echoplex faceplate is fairly low cost to make, just > stamped sheet metal, painted and silk-screened. We don't want to > increase the cost by doing this redesign, which would raise the list > price. That would reduce sales, countering whatever effect our redesign > gives. So we have to limit our poor designer to avoid any fancy molding > or extrusions, custom knobs and buttons, etc. unless we are willing to > raise the price. He can only work with stamped sheet metal and paint.... > > If you ask me, that $55,000 is far better spent on advertising, > in-store demos, endorsers, etc. That will bring a lot more sales than a > different faceplate. Or you could spend it on new product development, > etc. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 14 03:14:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA07081; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 03:14:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 03:14:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Looper development and production costs? Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 03:12:31 -0400 Message-ID: <001101c1547f$9779b480$3b2f04d1@ij.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-reply-to: <0152B2A4-C072-11D5-AA2B-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just reverse the black and the beige...put a 'limited edition' sticker on it and charge more. Or, drop it down a flight of stairs, call it a 'Relic Echoplex' and charge 5 times as much. Raise 'Echoplex 2' money in no time! Man, someone's gotta hire me with these ideas... Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://www.hazardfactor.com > > I don't actually own one, so I can't say, but it seems like > the EDP has > a pretty functional faceplate. If you're looking to cut corners, I > wouldn't worry about that. You can do a lot with a cool silk screen > design and a nice Logo. Figure about $3-5K would more than cover it. > > Screw it, for loop kind, I'd do it for free. > > Mark > (also a graphic designer) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 14 04:04:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA10753; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 04:02:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 04:02:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011014004838.04a6bab0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 00:59:26 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Looper development and production costs? In-Reply-To: <001101c1547f$9779b480$3b2f04d1@ij.net> References: <0152B2A4-C072-11D5-AA2B-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <09xzSB.A.5nC.BaUy7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:12 AM 10/14/2001, future perfect wrote: >Just reverse the black and the beige...put a 'limited edition' sticker >on it and charge more. Or, drop it down a flight of stairs, call it a >'Relic Echoplex' and charge 5 times as much. Raise 'Echoplex 2' money in >no time! >Man, someone's gotta hire me with these ideas... ah, finally. somebody who understands how the musical instrument business really works. :-) Putting a famous baby boomer icon's signature on it also lets you multiply the price a few times..... The Jimmy Page signature model black-face echoplex with authentic Jimmy Page cigarette burns and hand-picked NOS simms - you'll be the envy of all the other doctors and lawyers on the golf course - yours for only $5999. the scary thing is, with guitars that actually works. Even more amazing, raising the price actually causes you to sell MORE. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 14 04:23:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA13866; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 04:22:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 04:22:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <13f.2e86619.28faa50b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 04:21:31 EDT Subject: Re: DOD DFX9 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 23 Resent-Message-ID: <2fB76B.A.g1C.SsUy7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i had one of these puppies. the downside is that you can hear it working ever so slightly even when it is off. if you can live with that it is definitely worth 20-30 bucks. if not, i wouldn't bother. =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 14 04:23:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA13842; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 04:22:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 04:22:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 01:20:27 -0800 Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 10/13/01 8:31 PM, Matthias Grob at matthias@grob.org wrote: >> > what do you think of the LOOP delay (its somewhere on LD)? That was > my design and logo :-) I was free to choose the color and did not > have that many paramters to place, though... well i for one love the design and logo and color(or lack thereof,black is black!)-it looks great in my rack, and to top it off it SOUNDS wonderful!! (finally figured out those footpedals matthias-thanx for the help!! stanner@stanitarium From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 14 05:04:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA18833; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 05:03:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 05:03:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <123.5c8a439.28faaedb@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 05:03:23 EDT Subject: Re: Two EDPs one feedback pedal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 2 EDPs with one switchable feedback pedal. I'm looking into modifying a Boss FV-50L stereo vol pedal for this function. Is there not an issue with the EDP only deciding if it has a pedal on power up? Certainly is with Loop3 , as the Loop/Delay=Out is only available on power up. Using different MIDI channels with Loop3, wouldn't that mean using a MIDI splitter to both EDPs instead of chaining. (apparently not an issue in LoopIV,) And will the panel feedback control be deactivated if the EDP thinks it has a pedal? I have an idea to put a switch (maybe 2) on the FV-50L and rewire it for the so that each EDP is routed to either its pedal pot or full feedback. Might try to use the pot on the side of the pedal as an alternate controller. Won't have time to do this for a couple of weeks at least, but would appreciate any feedback on this, and will report back. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 14 05:04:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA18845; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 05:04:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 05:04:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <16.13bde834.28faaeda@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 05:03:22 EDT Subject: Re: expert modified the A/D signal chain (OT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > andy said: > > >If you can buy it as a stand alone I assume that means its some kind of > >impedance matching interface. > matthias said > does not makes sense to me. > If it's standalone it must be a separate device, outside of the effect to be improved. Therefore any signal must still be going through the input and output circuitry of the effect. So you can't improve the sound unless the original problem was caused by the interaction of the effect and whatever was before, and/or after, in the signal chain. In which case the circuits in the signal chain are interacting, which has to be down to impedance. So you use the 'standalone' device as a buffer to stop the interaction. This would have it's impedance designed to make an ideal match. makes sense to me ........could still be wrong though:-) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 14 06:04:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA13328; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 06:03:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 06:03:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011014025224.025db440@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 03:00:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Two EDPs one feedback pedal In-Reply-To: <123.5c8a439.28faaedb@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:03 AM 10/14/2001, SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: >2 EDPs with one switchable feedback pedal. > >I'm looking into modifying a Boss FV-50L stereo vol pedal for this function. > >Is there not an issue with the EDP only deciding if it has a pedal on power >up? >Certainly is with Loop3 , as the Loop/Delay=Out is only available on power up. no, you can connect a pedal at any time and it is detected, even in LoopIII. Just checked. :-) >Using different MIDI channels with Loop3, wouldn't that mean using a MIDI >splitter to both EDPs instead of chaining. >(apparently not an issue in LoopIV,) there is midi thru, no need for an external splitter. Definitely becomes a non-issue in LoopIV. >And will the panel feedback control be deactivated if the EDP thinks it has a >pedal? yes, that is what happens, unless you are in delay mode. Then pedal=input vol to delay, and knob=feedback. >I have an idea to put a switch (maybe 2) on the FV-50L and rewire it for the >so that each EDP is routed to either its pedal pot or full feedback. should work. with the stereo out jacks on that pedal, you should be able to make such a mod pretty easy so that each jack becomes an out to an echoplex and the switch only has to connect/disconnect them to the pot. You could even have a third option with both connected to their respective pot. >Might try to use the pot on the side of the pedal as an alternate controller. maybe you could add midi to it. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 14 07:33:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA22890; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 07:32:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 07:32:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BC99149.8996153E@vtx.ch> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 13:21:13 +0000 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new version of Loop ?? References: <000d01c15472$ad9c6f80$3b2f04d1@ij.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com future perfect wrote: > > Wowza! Without asking to reveal anymore...if theres HalfSpeed, is there > DoubleSpeed? Or is that redundant? > Dave you can record/overdub/...anything in half speed so you have double speed when back to "normal" Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 14 08:24:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA06419; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 08:22:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 08:22:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 08:20:35 -0400 Subject: Re: ABY box for EDP From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200110140707.DAA06685@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3085892435_64593_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3085892435_64593_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Anyone have any luck using an ABY box to point the EFC-7 foot controller to >2 different EDPs? Or am I also going to have to spring for a second EFC-7? If the switch is passive, it should work fine. I think Matthias has done this sort of thing. If anyone knows of a specific box that works for this, I'd love to know. Thanks. --MS_Mac_OE_3085892435_64593_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: ABY box for EDP
Anyone have any luck using= an ABY box to point the EFC-7 foot controller to
>2 different EDPs?  Or am I also going to have to spring for a seco= nd EFC-7?

If the switch is passive, it should work fine. I think Matthias has done this sort of thing.

If anyone knows of a specific box that works f= or this, I'd love to know. Thanks.
 --MS_Mac_OE_3085892435_64593_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 14 08:27:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA16370; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 08:26:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 08:26:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 08:25:42 -0400 Subject: Re: new version of loop?? From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200110140707.DAA06685@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3085892742_83095_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3085892742_83095_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Internal bpm tempo control Does that mean you can speed up an existing loop? --MS_Mac_OE_3085892742_83095_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: new version of loop?? Internal bpm tempo control

Does that mean you can speed up an existing loop? --MS_Mac_OE_3085892742_83095_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 14 09:22:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA21509; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 09:21:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 09:21:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BC99E78.968FC14@cabq.gov> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 07:17:28 -0700 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: T-Shirt Deadline Extension: Paypal Broken References: <3B5DBE4C.9DB63F89@cabq.gov> <3B5DB384.9A8B9994@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9joA4C.A.FPF.zEZy7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Because Paypal has been shut down for upgrades all weekend, I am going to extend the deadline an extra day. They claim to be back open for transactions on Monday, so I will make Monday, 10:00 PM MST the official closing time. The order will sent in on Tuesday morning. Thanks to everyone for supporting this project! later, -jas Albuquerque From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 14 09:57:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA22763; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 09:56:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 09:56:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011014095057.007ea470@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 09:50:57 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Looper development and production costs? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011014004838.04a6bab0@loopers-delight.com> References: <001101c1547f$9779b480$3b2f04d1@ij.net> <0152B2A4-C072-11D5-AA2B-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:59 AM 10/14/01 -0700, you wrote: >At 12:12 AM 10/14/2001, future perfect wrote: >>Or, drop it down a flight of stairs, call it a >>'Relic Echoplex' and charge 5 times as much. >the scary thing is, with guitars that actually works. Even more amazing, >raising the price actually causes you to sell MORE. I'm amazed nobody at Fender has applied the relic mindset to the amp re-issues; just think, part of some guy's job description would be to tear the Tolex, poke holes in the speaker cloth and make beer rings on the amps! -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 14 10:09:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24512; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 10:08:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 10:08:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004d01c154b1$34c2a2c0$0e0aa8c0@den> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011013184855.04a150f8@loopers-delight.com><000f01c1544c$a30efa40$0e0aa8c0@den> Subject: Re: to control 2 EDPs Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 09:07:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <9Y8rVC.A.O-F.kwZy7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the input Matthias! So, to be sure I'm understanding you... An A-B box would allow me to switch EFC-7 input between 2 EDPs, and control them, but only *one at a time*. If I put the A-B box into "Y" position, the EFC-7 will NOT control both EDPs simultaneously. However, setting the 2 EDPs to the same ControlSource values, I CAN control them simultaneously with a single EFC-7 footswitch by making one EDP "slave" to the other. The same is true for the Feedback pedal. Is this correct? Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 14 13:08:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02430; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 13:07:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 13:07:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005301c154d3$17d8c780$1754e540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011013184855.04a150f8@loopers-delight.com> <000f01c1544c$a30efa40$0e0aa8c0@den> Subject: Loopers cheryl o + Andrew Aldridge - Tues Oct.16th Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 13:10:15 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Likely of interest to any of you in the Toronto area is this show featuring experimental looping cellist cheryl o http://www.cellojuice.com and her looping mentor - guitarist Andrew Aldridge (founder of the floating loopers' collective Planet Of The Loops). http://www.energymadeaudible.com This Tuesday October 16th - 1st set 9:30pm - No Cover @ THE AMBIENT PING - http://www.theambientping.com Toronto's weekly live ambient/experimental music event at club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.mp3.com/dreamSTATE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 14 13:36:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03657; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 13:36:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 13:36:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BC9CCDC.5AA9AE79@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 10:52:41 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT instant relics References: <001101c1547f$9779b480$3b2f04d1@ij.net> <0152B2A4-C072-11D5-AA2B-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> <3.0.5.32.20011014095057.007ea470@pop.metrocast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim Nelson wrote: > At 12:59 AM 10/14/01 -0700, you wrote: > >At 12:12 AM 10/14/2001, future perfect wrote: > >>Or, drop it down a flight of stairs, call it a > >>'Relic Echoplex' and charge 5 times as much. > > >the scary thing is, with guitars that actually works. Even more amazing, > >raising the price actually causes you to sell MORE. > > I'm amazed nobody at Fender has applied the relic mindset to the amp > re-issues; just think, part of some guy's job description would be to tear > the Tolex, poke holes in the speaker cloth and make beer rings on the amps! > > -t heck tim, they could just drop 'em off at my place any friday night. with my crew they'd be vintage by monday morning...(latest casualty- twin reverb suffers broken "on" bulb as my buddy walks into amp while talking on phone...so cool! and how is it guitar & mike stands magically lose the ability to counter the effects of gravity whenever we play past 11pm? it took one of these guys about six months of repeated prodding before the purpose of the "standby" switch on my amps was finally understood and systematically implemented. do i need new friends or what?) :-) lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 14 13:55:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04699; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 13:55:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 13:55:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 12:54:34 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005a01c154d9$48da3160$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >black is black!)-it looks great in my rack > i'm all right jack, keep your hands offa my stack... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 14 16:31:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13997; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 16:30:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 16:30:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <164.2545643.28fb4f8f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 16:29:03 EDT Subject: Fwd: Philadelphia Cathedral Chapel Performance... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Sticknews@aol.com, STICKWIRE-L@home.ease.lsoft.com, taptalk@progrock.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_164.2545643.28fb4f8f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: <5Oh4WD.A._ZD.bWfy7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_164.2545643.28fb4f8f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/12/01 12:44:02 PM, jjody@yahoo.com writes: << Adelante will be performing at the Philadelphia Cathedral Chapel on: Sunday October 21st@3:00pm Location: The Philadelphia Cathedral 3723 Chestnut Street Philadelphia, PA (215)386-0234 catasst@aol.com www.philadelphiacathedral.org Admission: $10 The Cathedral Chapel is a very beautiful space to experience a musical performance...the acoustics are wonderful. Such a space is very well suited to the music of Adelante. This performance should prove to be very enjoyable for both listener and performer alike. We hope to see many of our friends and fans at this very special Adelante performance. Peace...J.Jody Janetta-Drums/Percussion Paul Mimlitsch-Guitar/Chapman Stick/ Loops and Textures Dan Osterweil-Saxophones/Flutes>> --part1_164.2545643.28fb4f8f_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yc03.mx.aol.com (rly-yc03.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.35]) by air-yc02.mail.aol.com (v81.9) with ESMTP id MAILINYC27-1012084402; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 08:44:02 -0400 Received: from web9501.mail.yahoo.com (web9501.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.131]) by rly-yc03.mx.aol.com (v81.9) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYC39-1012084348; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 08:43:48 -0400 Message-ID: <20011012123707.21528.qmail@web9501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.138.75.148] by web9501.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 05:37:07 PDT Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 05:37:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "J.Jody Janetta" Subject: Philadelphia Cathedral Chapel Performance... To: Rick Kahley MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Adelante will be performing at the Philadelphia Cathedral Chapel on: Sunday October 21st@3:00pm Location: The Philadelphia Cathedral 3723 Chestnut Street Philadelphia, PA (215)386-0234 catasst@aol.com www.philadelphiacathedral.org Admission: $10 The Cathedral Chapel is a very beautiful space to experience a musical performance...the acoustics are wonderful. Such a space is very well suited to the music of Adelante. This performance should prove to be very enjoyable for both listener and performer alike. We hope to see many of our friends and fans at this very special Adelante performance. Peace...J.Jody Janetta-Drums/Percussion Paul Mimlitsch-Guitar/Chapman Stick/ Loops and Textures Dan Osterweil-Saxophones/Flutes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com --part1_164.2545643.28fb4f8f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 14 17:11:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16770; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 17:10:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 17:10:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011014140456.02673228@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 14:06:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: to control 2 EDPs In-Reply-To: <004d01c154b1$34c2a2c0$0e0aa8c0@den> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011013184855.04a150f8@loopers-delight.com> <000f01c1544c$a30efa40$0e0aa8c0@den> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes, that is all correct. when you have them as a stereo pair, one is master and the other is slave. All your pedals go into the master, and midi connections are made from master to the slave. then any controls you do on the master are transmitted to the slave so it does the same thing. kim At 06:07 AM 10/14/2001, you wrote: >Thanks for the input Matthias! > >So, to be sure I'm understanding you... > >An A-B box would allow me to switch EFC-7 input between 2 EDPs, and control >them, but only *one at a time*. If I put the A-B box into "Y" position, the >EFC-7 will NOT control both EDPs simultaneously. However, setting the 2 >EDPs to the same ControlSource values, I CAN control them simultaneously >with a single EFC-7 footswitch by making one EDP "slave" to the other. > >The same is true for the Feedback pedal. > >Is this correct? > >Doug ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 14 17:41:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17902; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 17:40:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 17:40:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Wjguitar@aol.com Message-ID: <42.1bce774a.28fb602a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 17:39:54 EDT Subject: Re: Thunder was RE: MIDIMAN Surface One To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_42.1bce774a.28fb602a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10539 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_42.1bce774a.28fb602a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Harvey....how you doing with my other Tap Guitar? The one I have still has two bum triggers, you know? Let me know the time frame for getting the other one, and we'll get you to tweak the first one...then hopefully, I'll have two working units....the main one and a backup. I expect to make that instrument a regular part of my act, now that I've moved into performing in the ranks with Les Paul, Bucky Pizzarelli, George Benson, Thom Bresh, and other name artists. I expect to integrate the instrument into my band, too...the "Amigos & Gringos"....which features me, Edgar Cruz, Ruben Romero and Miguel Soto, all on flamenco guitars. I've used it on some events, but the real "show" hasn't quite come together yet. I've picked up a new Boss looper, and hope to integrate that into the system as well. It would be great if an on board looping system (with at least 4 minutes of memory), could be adapted to the instrument, so that layers of percussions can be "built" on the fly. The electronics would have to be a little simpler for me to operate and understand, however, since I'm not an engineer. A footswitch hooked up to the guitar or controller would be nice. Step on it on the downbeat (1), and at the end of a measure to begin the loop. and then layer on top of that with different tap plates (percussion sounds).....then lock that into place with the footswitch, and just improvise on top of that and or the strums. This instrument will evolve, I'm certain. Guitarist's in my audience are really starting to turn onto the rumba flamenca strumming techniques. I actually told Les Paul about the tap guitar, last night...and got a "blown away" reaction from him, too. I'll be in touch. Regards, Wayne --part1_42.1bce774a.28fb602a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Harvey....how you doing with my other Tap Guitar?  The one I have still has two bum triggers, you know?  

Let me know the time frame for getting the other one, and we'll get you to tweak the first one...then hopefully, I'll have two working units....the main one and a backup.  I expect to make that instrument a regular part of my act, now that I've moved into performing in the ranks with Les Paul,  Bucky Pizzarelli, George Benson, Thom Bresh, and other name artists.  I expect to integrate the instrument into my band, too...the "Amigos & Gringos"....which features me, Edgar Cruz, Ruben Romero and Miguel Soto, all on flamenco guitars.  

I've used it on some events, but the real "show" hasn't quite come together yet.  I've picked up a new Boss looper, and hope to integrate that into the system as well.  It would be great if an on board looping system (with at least 4 minutes of memory), could be adapted to the instrument, so that layers of percussions can be "built" on the fly.  The electronics would have to be a little simpler for me to operate and understand, however, since I'm not an engineer.  A footswitch hooked up to the guitar  or controller would be nice.  Step on it on the downbeat (1), and at the end of a measure to begin the loop.  and then layer on top of that with different tap plates (percussion sounds).....then lock that into place with the footswitch, and just improvise on top of that and or the strums.

This instrument will evolve, I'm certain.  Guitarist's in my audience are really starting to turn onto the rumba flamenca strumming techniques.  I actually told Les Paul about the tap guitar,  last night...and got a "blown away" reaction from him, too.

I'll be in touch.

Regards, Wayne
--part1_42.1bce774a.28fb602a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 14 17:56:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18842; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 17:55:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 17:55:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Wjguitar@aol.com Message-ID: <13.2421a0.28fb63a1@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 17:54:41 EDT Subject: sorry guys To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_13.2421a0.28fb63a1_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10539 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_13.2421a0.28fb63a1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That last email was intended just for Harvey...my mistake. Regards, Wayne --part1_13.2421a0.28fb63a1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That last email was intended just for Harvey...my mistake.

Regards, Wayne --part1_13.2421a0.28fb63a1_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 14 19:40:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24656; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 19:38:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 19:38:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 18:38:03 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: FRONT T-SHIRT design only To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00e901c15509$449a6400$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200110132231.SAA10876@hemlock.violacea.com> <006701c1545a$ce3eda60$c063f93f@dnlsh01> Resent-Message-ID: <6hRaeD.A.-AG.eHiy7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com aha! another infidel joins the special shirt wearing judean people's front! > Dear Jason, > > Could I please order one of the special FRONT T-SHIRT designs as well? > > Just let me know where to send the funds and how much to include. > Thanks a lot, yours, Rick Walker (Loop.pooL) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 00:31:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA07618; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 00:25:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 00:25:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 00:24:52 EDT Subject: Really, really, reeeeeeeeeeally OT! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Language: en X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id AAA07576 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Does anyone on the list know someone who speaks Lithuanian? This is only remotely connected with looping. I just got informed by my label of a review of my CD published in Lithuania. Go figure. But it'd be kinda nice to know what they said (good or bad). I realize it's kind of a long shot, but this is a fairly diverse and international group, so I figured it wouldn't hurt to try. Any help at all would be greatly appreciated -- even if it turns out that what they're mainly saying is: "Man, you reeeeeeally suck!" Thanks, Ted Killian The text is as follows: Linas, Tango Magazine, Lithuania, Octber, 2001 "Man nepavyko rasti papildom ini apie muzikant , tod l med iaga, kuri pasiek redakcij i leidybin s firmos pfMentum t ra vientelis informacijos altinis, kuriuo remiantis galima pristatyti muzik ir jo nauj j darb . pfMentum – nedidel leidybin firma, sik rusi Kaliforninjoje besispecializuojanti iuolaikin je eksperimentin je ir improvizacin je muzikoje. Tango yra ne kart anks iau pristat s ios firmos leidinius ir, jei i tokio nedidelio skai iaus pristatyt darb b t galima padaryti kai kurias prielaidas ir apibendrinimus, darbas Flux Aeterna nuosekliai siterpia leid j puosel jam estetik . Kaip ir ankstesni leidiniai, i leistas originalioje pakuot je (ne d ut je) bendr muzikin ir apipavidalinimo koncepcij palydint savoti ku motto – "Pokytis prilygsta vil iai. Viltis prilygsta poky iui". Akivaizdu, kad Ted Killian, tai muzikantas i aug s ir subrend s septintojo-a tuntojo de imte io roko gitaros mokyklos takoje, i estetin s periferijos pus s akivaizd iai paveiktas repetityviojo minimalizmo ir gausaus muzikinio paveldo, be kurio i viso ne manomas joks iuolaikin s muzikos (ne vien gitaros) m stymas ir interpretavimas – urbanizuoto bliuzo, elektroakustikos ir pan. Toks apibendrintas nuorod skai ius ko gera ne ka ink ir paai kina, juolab, kad mus atyd iai klausyti io darbo man s kyriai neapleido mintis, kad man tai ka k primena. Ir tai ko gera visi kai suprantama aplinkyb : audringa, vos per penkiasde imt met turinti elekrin s gitaros evoliucija i gyveno ne vien kulto bang ir, inoma, nat ralu, kas vairias nuotr pas galima atrasti ne vieno muzikanto odyne, o ypa t , kurie i istorij ino ne i nuogird ... Kaip tik toki muzikant gretoms, manding, ir reikt priskirti Ted Killian’ – energing ir m sl , pla i ir daugiakanaliais perklojimais i ornamentuot ant roko pamat i gr st muzikavim . ia ap iuopiami ir Frank Zappa ir Carlos Santana, Robert Fripp ir Glenn Branca daugiasluoksni kumas, i kraipytas, perkrautas eksperiemntiniam rokui b dingas "f zavimas", ankstesni j bliuzmen praeiti keliai ir j palikti estetiniai ymenys: progresyvus akordai ir dimamizmas, "fripertroni ki" garso persiklojimai gri tam jame ry yje, minimalistinis ritmo pie inys ir antraplan s ostinatin s fomul s... visa tai lengvai skaitoma, nepretenzinga ir rezultate gana skalsiai "sueinanti" muzika, kuri bendrai su originaliu Ted Killian’o brai u ir reikliu formos jausmu galima dr siai priskirti prie domios ir tikrai rekomenduotinos i girsti iuolaikin s gitaros muzikos. Pla iau apie pfMentum skaitykite www.newcreativemusic.com o apie distribucij : www.pfmentum.com" MP3s and/or streaming RealAudio available at: http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/138/ted_killian.html CDs are for sale exclusively at: http://www.pfmentum.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 00:34:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA08243; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 00:33:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 00:33:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011015043306.99891.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 21:33:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Hudson Subject: co-op song...takers? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <8HVBD.A.lAC.Fcmy7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just wonderin if anyone wants to hook up and do a song. Maybe 1 person do a section then the other does the next and so one. Then maybe share some samples. Mainly lookin for someone that can do good hooks...the catchy/trippy shit that gets ya in the "groove." I am great at trippy pads and over effects. Can do some really nice backbeats and cool audio effects type stuff. Usually stick to low tempo chill/trippy stuff...but sometimes i like to speed it up..make it a bit dancy. Really need a good chorus/hook guy tho. Could come out with some awsome results...cool when you get different peoples styles going into a song. Anywho, if you are interested email me at: tusmadre@yahoo.com I mostly use fruity loops 3 and acid 2. -Primate PS: I am pretty new in looped music, so i might not be best bet for you pros. If you wanna hear some of my stuff it'll be up soon on MP3.com. You can check it out, artist name is "Grey Area" ===== "Everybody seems to think I'm lazy. I don't mind, I think they're crazy" -John Lennon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 00:52:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA08966; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 00:51:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 00:51:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 21:49:51 -0700 (PDT) From: whining elitist bastard To: Subject: intro and newbie questions In-Reply-To: <20011015043306.99891.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings all, I'm just beginning to get into the world of sound exploration, and I'm looking for a little advice and direction. Mainly I'm curious how to go about creating the drones and washing feedback noize I hear in some of my favorite music. (dvoa, not breathing, aube, etc...) Are loud walls of noise more a product of the gear, the sound source, the technique? Are most drones simply looping samples? When I hear a beat or a melody, I can imagine how it was constructed, but not so with these other musical elements that I love... any advice appreciated.. -matt http://technosnob.com AIM: t3chn0sn0b From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 00:54:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09112; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 00:53:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 00:53:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 00:02:58 -0500 From: Mike Subject: Re: Really, really, reeeeeeeeeeally OT! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3BCA6E02.36AE564B@swbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ted, are you sure you're not unwittingly sending out a secret message? The FBI will be knocking on your door soon. good luck, Mike Killian > The text is as follows: > > Linas, Tango Magazine, Lithuania, Octber, 2001 > "Man nepavyko rasti papildom ini apie muzikant , tod l med iaga, kuri pasiek > redakcij i leidybin s firmos pfMentum t ra vientelis informacijos altinis, > kuriuo remiantis galima pristatyti muzik ir jo nauj j darb . pfMentum – > nedidel leidybin firma, sik rusi Kaliforninjoje besispecializuojanti > iuolaikin je eksperimentin je ir improvizacin je muzikoje. Tango yra ne kart > anks iau pristat s ios firmos leidinius ir, jei i tokio nedidelio skai iaus > pristatyt darb b t galima padaryti kai kurias prielaidas ir apibendrinimus, > darbas Flux Aeterna nuosekliai siterpia leid j puosel jam estetik . Kaip ir > ankstesni leidiniai, i leistas originalioje pakuot je (ne d ut je) bendr > muzikin ir apipavidalinimo koncepcij palydint savoti ku motto – "Pokytis > prilygsta vil iai. Viltis prilygsta poky iui". Akivaizdu, kad Ted Killian, > tai muzikantas i aug s ir subrend s septintojo-a tuntojo de imte io roko > gitaros mokyklos takoje, i estetin s periferijos pus s akivaizd iai paveiktas > repetityviojo minimalizmo ir gausaus muzikinio paveldo, be kurio i viso ne > manomas joks iuolaikin s muzikos (ne vien gitaros) m stymas ir > interpretavimas – urbanizuoto bliuzo, elektroakustikos ir pan. Toks > apibendrintas nuorod skai ius ko gera ne ka ink ir paai kina, juolab, kad mus > atyd iai klausyti io darbo man s kyriai neapleido mintis, kad man tai ka k > primena. Ir tai ko gera visi kai suprantama aplinkyb : audringa, vos per > penkiasde imt met turinti elekrin s gitaros evoliucija i gyveno ne vien kulto > bang ir, inoma, nat ralu, kas vairias nuotr pas galima atrasti ne vieno > muzikanto odyne, o ypa t , kurie i istorij ino ne i nuogird ... Kaip tik toki > muzikant gretoms, manding, ir reikt priskirti Ted Killian’ – energing ir m > sl , pla i ir daugiakanaliais perklojimais i ornamentuot ant roko pamat i gr > st muzikavim . ia ap iuopiami ir Frank Zappa ir Carlos Santana, Robert Fripp > ir Glenn Branca daugiasluoksni kumas, i kraipytas, perkrautas > eksperiemntiniam rokui b dingas "f zavimas", ankstesni j bliuzmen praeiti > keliai ir j palikti estetiniai ymenys: progresyvus akordai ir dimamizmas, > "fripertroni ki" garso persiklojimai gri tam jame ry yje, minimalistinis > ritmo pie inys ir antraplan s ostinatin s fomul s... visa tai lengvai > skaitoma, nepretenzinga ir rezultate gana skalsiai "sueinanti" muzika, kuri > bendrai su originaliu Ted Killian’o brai u ir reikliu formos jausmu galima dr > siai priskirti prie domios ir tikrai rekomenduotinos i girsti iuolaikin s > gitaros muzikos. Pla iau apie pfMentum skaitykite www.newcreativemusic.com o > apie distribucij : www.pfmentum.com" > > MP3s and/or streaming RealAudio available at: > http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/138/ted_killian.html > > CDs are for sale exclusively at: > http://www.pfmentum.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 01:17:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA11044; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 01:11:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 01:11:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 00:20:45 -0500 From: Mike Subject: Re: intro and newbie questions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3BCA722D.4499D79D@swbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Resent-Message-ID: <2rwisB.A._rC.j_my7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I do it live by playing lots of guitar parts over each other until I have either a cool drone or a wall of mush. If it sounds OK, I'll swell it in and out of the song as I go. If it sounds crappy, I keep recording over it until I can get rid of the problem. (it helps if you can look intense and/or thoughtful while doing this) I use two Boomerangs and a Line 6 DL4 but haven't tried any software yet. Mike Killian > Are loud walls of noise more a product of the gear, the sound source, the > technique? Are most drones simply looping samples? When I hear a beat or a > melody, I can imagine how it was constructed, but not so with these other > musical elements that I love... > > any advice appreciated.. > > -matt > > http://technosnob.com > AIM: t3chn0sn0b From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 01:35:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA12038; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 01:34:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 01:34:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01bc01c1553b$3a7bae20$5862f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: "Loopers Delight" References: <00b201c15230$1dcbfc20$0201a8c0@stephen> Subject: Re:Re: Totally Off Topic Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 22:35:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bless you, Kim for your restraint and your patience!!! These are the qualities of a good leader. I know you probably would quibble with the word, 'Leader' and all the baggage it carries with it, but you had the power to pull the plug and you didn't: That's a rare thing in this world and I, for one, am glad that you started this community. You have a big fan. yours, Rick Walker > From: "Kim Flint" > > I don't believe in censorship, or dictatorships of any sort. I think a > > community should be able to sort out its own problems, and take > > responsibility for it's own actions, both as individuals and as a group. > > That's how I "run" this list. In other words, this list is basically > > operating as an anarchical community. To me that does not mean chaos or > > lack of responsibility for one's actions, it means everybody is *equally* > > responsible for the success and well-being of the group. > > > > That being said, the truth is I was one mouse click away from permanently > > banning a number of people from this list during that particular week. Not > > for whatever argument they were making, but for simply refusing to respect > > the list and rest of the group. I decided to sleep on it, and the next > > morning changed my mind about exercising that much power and setting that > > precedent. The principle worked and the community sorted itself out within > > a few days, saving me the trouble. I was glad that it worked out that way, > > and I think it's generally a testament to the good qualities of this group > > that it did. > > > > kim > > > > > > At 10:43 AM 10/10/2001, K. Douglas Baldwin wrote: > > >Dear Loopers- > > > A sincere thanks to all who helped with my search for the elusive > band > > >Chrysalis and what has become of their members. Special props to Kevin > > >Miller, Jim Palmer, James Pokorny, and especially to Dr. Richard Zvonar, > who > > >led me to the motherlode. > > > A brief comment, again off-topic: In the days immediately following > > >September 11, we were all enmeshed in a swirl of communication regarding > the > > >tragedy of that day. At that time, I subscribed to two newsgroups: the > Boss > > >GT-3 multi-effects pedal gang, and, obviously, the Looperheads. The GT-3 > > >group fell to a lower level of argument, and the group overlord (whatever > > >you call guys like Kim) actually CENSORED many people's comments before > they > > >were posted. I unsubscribed in protest and urged others to do the same. > On > > >the other hand, the vibe here at Loopers Delight, while very emotional > and > > >quite off-topic at times, remained very positive overall. A special > > >thank-you to Kim for remaining cool in the face of so much > back-and-forth, > > >and not once even mentioning the words "off topic." > > > I believe that the process of looping has a positive instructive > > >quality: we continuously reexperience our actions. Because of this, I am > > >continuously warmed by the good vibes of Loopers Delight. > > > Group hug! > > >Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster > > >dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 02:56:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA15633; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 02:55:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 02:55:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 23:54:05 -0700 Subject: Re: intro and newbie questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <6C4B9D56-C139-11D5-82B4-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I really think that writing about what you're talking about is like "dancing about architecture." You can read a book about swimming, but nothing make it happen like jumping in the water. Jump in. Mark On Sunday, October 14, 2001, at 09:49 PM, whining elitist bastard wrote: > Greetings all, > > I'm just beginning to get into the world of sound exploration, and I'm > looking for a little advice and direction. Mainly I'm curious how to go > about creating the drones and washing feedback noize I hear in some of > my > favorite music. (dvoa, not breathing, aube, etc...) > > Are loud walls of noise more a product of the gear, the sound source, > the > technique? Are most drones simply looping samples? When I hear a beat > or a > melody, I can imagine how it was constructed, but not so with these > other > musical elements that I love... > > any advice appreciated.. > > -matt > > http://technosnob.com > AIM: t3chn0sn0b > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 04:20:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA20264; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 04:14:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 04:14:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007501c1554d$f3ae1740$c9c41ed9@oemcomputer> From: "Bruce Comens" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011013184855.04a150f8@loopers-delight.com><000f01c1544c$a30efa40$0e0aa8c0@den> <004d01c154b1$34c2a2c0$0e0aa8c0@den> Subject: new behringer mide foot controller FCB1010 Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 03:49:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone have any experience with one of these? It seems a very good pedal for the money, but, as i understand the manual ( http://www.behringer.de/eng/products/guitarworkstations/fcb1010.htm ), you can only set the midi channel globally--which would make it pretty difficult to control more than one unit. anyone know if this is correct? thanks for any info.. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 04:22:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA20515; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 04:20:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 04:20:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: RE: Looper development and production costs? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 03:19:50 -0500 Message-ID: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4712.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Looper development and production costs? Thread-Index: AcFUGZ5zdVY6OMkLT7a9RccTJ50QiQBN3UJA From: "Andy Ewen" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id EAA20400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The simple reason for no advertising, at least in the last few years, is that we cannot legally sell these things in any country except the US and Switzerland until we have a CE-Approved version. Any expense advertising in Guitarist or similar, would be wasted at this time. There will be promotion and new endorsements and all the other marketing stuff that helps sell products. We have held-off on all official reviews of the Echoplex as well, so we don't annoy potential customers with the old, 'yes, it is a great product and you definitely need it, but sorry you can't buy one just yet' PS, if anyone wants a black Echoplex with cream artwork; no extra charge :)) -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: 13 October 2001 20:01 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? One thing that I don't think has been mentioned here is promotion. I've NEVER seen and add featuring the EDP. Ever. Didn't even know about it until I bought a JamMan and subscribed to this list. Never makes the cover of any catalogs I get. Never heard of a product demo in any store. The loopers' list is good, but is it visible to the entire music buying public? Seems more or less invisible to the public, in my opinion. No wonder it's not a staple of everyone's rack. Now Electrix is not doing much better, in my opinion. They really need to buy some ad space. Send reps out to the stores to do demos. The usual. I know that's money, but it takes it to make it. Nice Repeater product placement with Torn as he's starting the new Bowie project. That should help get the word out. Gibson needs to give a couple of EDPs to Fripp or Belew. Someone big. Even someone more visible like Radiohead would be great. I know some people that went and bought KAOSS pads after seeing Radiohead perform with them. Also (I'm going to get it for this) The EDP is ugly. Repeater is ugly too, but in a good way, IMO. It says, "Space 1999." It says, "I've got a bunch of very state of the art high tech stuff going on in here." I've always felt the EDP looked a bit home made, kludgy. Looks won't make a product, but they sure help. When Korg started the Trinity line, the store I worked in got a LOT of attention. They looked like something Captain Picard would play. If Gibson cares about selling EDPs, they'd get an industrial designer to redesign the face plate. Graphic designer to redo the logo. Do any of these things make the EDP a better product? No, but extra sales would sure influence someone into throwing cash at an EDP 2 project. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, October 13, 2001, at 02:15 AM, Andy Ewen wrote: > Nick, if you are serious about getting 4 EDPs, I can probably sort out a > very good discount. If it were only up to me, I'd send you 4 direct from > here in the UK, but I don't want to tread on any Gibson reps toes, so > they'd > better come from the warehouse in Elgin, Chicago. > Let me know and I'll have a word in the correct ears, > Andy. > > andy.ewen@ trace-elliot.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: nick douglas [mailto:nickd@mindspring.com] > Sent: 12 October 2001 06:20 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? > > > Matthias wrote: >> would that be acceptable? > > Simultaneous playback of several loops? Of different lengths? In > Stereo? > Near the current price? HUGE tracts of ... RAM? > > More than acceptable, that is wonderful! Heavenly! I've wanted four > EDPs > forever (two stereo pairs), but it's too much money. :( I'm ecstatic to > hear that the software is (largely) portable to new processors and > readily > adaptable for multi-loop simultaneous stereo. Could it overdub into two > stereo loops of different length at once? If so, one EDP could > sometimes do > the jobs of four (or Fripp's four TC2290s)! > > A steep discount on pairs of EDPs could prompt me not to wait. Buy one > at > the dealer's normal price, get the next one (or two or three?) at 50% > off > should do it. The more i hear about the Repeater, the more i lust for > multiple EDPs. > > my $0.02 > -nick > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 04:54:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA22102; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 04:53:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 04:53:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0152B2A4-C072-11D5-AA2B-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> References: <0152B2A4-C072-11D5-AA2B-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 06:52:43 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I don't actually own one, so I can't say, but it seems like the EDP >has a pretty functional faceplate. If you're looking to cut >corners, I wouldn't worry about that. You can do a lot with a cool >silk screen design and a nice Logo. Figure about $3-5K would more >than cover it. > >Screw it, for loop kind, I'd do it for free. phantastic! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 04:54:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA22104; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 04:53:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 04:53:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 06:52:43 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: new version of loop?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <-bAP1B.A.iYF.mPqy7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Internal bpm tempo control > >Does that mean you can speed up an existing loop? no, you select the tempo before you start the loop (or recall it from a preset), so the sequencer can start slaved to the EDP and then you can start recording anytime and it will "sync" to this tempo, just as if it was a sync coming in. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 04:54:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA22105; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 04:53:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 04:53:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <16.13bde834.28faaeda@aol.com> References: <16.13bde834.28faaeda@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 06:52:43 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: expert modified the A/D signal chain (OT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > andy said: >> >> >If you can buy it as a stand alone I assume that means its some kind of >> >impedance matching interface. >> >matthias said >> does not makes sense to me. >> > >If it's standalone it must be a separate device, outside of the effect to >be improved. >Therefore any signal must still be going through the input and output >circuitry of the effect. >So you can't improve the sound unless the original problem was caused by the >interaction of the effect and whatever was before, and/or after, in the >signal chain. >In which case the circuits in the signal chain are interacting, which has to >be down to impedance. >So you use the 'standalone' device as a buffer to stop the interaction. This >would have it's impedance designed to make an ideal match. > >makes sense to me > >........could still be wrong though:-) Impedance matching only makes sense for high frequency (digital, RF...) or veeery long cables. For audio in general its enough that the input is of higher impedance that the output and thats easily given with any equipment of the last few decades (usually 600 Ohm out / 20k..1M in, the Echoplex has 2M Ohm in for piezo) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 04:54:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA22110; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 04:53:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 04:53:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 06:52:43 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: ABY box for EDP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <53_FMD.A._YF.oPqy7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Anyone have any luck using an ABY box to point the EFC-7 foot controller to >>2 different EDPs? Or am I also going to have to spring for a second EFC-7? > >If the switch is passive, it should work fine. I think Matthias has done >this sort of thing. > > >If anyone knows of a specific box that works for this, I'd love to >know. Thanks. how about another two holes in that EFC-7? Another jack and a toggeling foot switch and two wires... cheaper and handier than an additional box... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 04:54:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA22108; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 04:53:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 04:53:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 06:52:43 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >on 10/13/01 8:31 PM, Matthias Grob at matthias@grob.org wrote: > >>> >> what do you think of the LOOP delay (its somewhere on LD)? That was >> my design and logo :-) I was free to choose the color and did not >> have that many paramters to place, though... > stanner@stanitarium >well i for one love the design and logo and color(or lack thereof,black is >black!)-it looks great in my rack, >and to top it off it SOUNDS wonderful!! >(finally figured out those footpedals matthias-thanx for the help!! Ah, its you! Fine you made it work! You are proud owner of one of about two LOOP delays in US (about 95 in Europe)... there have another two here, for collectors... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 05:41:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA25359; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 05:40:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 05:40:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 05:39:31 EDT Subject: Looper Features-Cosiderations To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: <0BXJLB.A.1LG.a7qy7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/7.01/eno.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 07:16:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA29976; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 07:15:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 07:15:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011015111333.19182.qmail@email.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) From: "Brian Thomson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 11:13:33 +0000 Subject: new Behringer MIDI controller Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've downloaded the manual, and having a read through it now, since I'm also in the market for such a device. The English manual looks like a translation from German, so the German version may be clearer. The way it looks to me: - you can send up to 5 program changes in 1 FCB patch, so they would have to be on different channels, or else there's no point! - I think you set the MIDI channels up under Global settings (e.g. Prg Change 1 -> Channel 1 (Echoplex), Prg Change 1 -> Channel 2 (PCM90), etc.) - Then, under each Preset, you specify what Prg Change to send out on the specified channels. Interesting... Cheers, Brian Thomson bnt@email.com -- _______________________________________________ Talk More, Pay Less with Net2Phone Direct(R), up to 1500 minutes free! http://www.net2phone.com/cgi-bin/link.cgi?143 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 07:43:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA30874; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 07:42:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 07:42:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 13:43:50 +0200 Subject: Re: intro and newbie questions From: charmah tiego To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5ohue.A.IiH.Husy7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi there, Of course there are many ways to get noisyscape sounds, but -for minimal as it seems- simple reinjection of no signal,buzz from a cheap stompbox or mixboard into the same source route got me good results. All you basically need is a mixboard with AUX SENDS and a couple of cords. And, thinking of it, that also is the basis of any form of looping: reinjection. To have more possibilities, use effects for reinjection. Cheap mikes have great potential Make sure you use first what you have at hand Everything's there: familiar objects hijacking. oh well... tiego, Paris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 08:53:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01933; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 08:52:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 08:52:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002801c15577$5099a400$7fa14ed8@gnv.bellsouth.net> From: "shreeswifty" To: References: <20011015043306.99891.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: co-op song...takers? Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 08:45:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i suggested this about 6 months ago i would like to try Pat Pagano, Director South East Just Intonation Society http://www.screwmusicforever.com/SHREESWIFT/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Hudson To: Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 12:33 AM Subject: co-op song...takers? > Just wonderin if anyone wants to hook up and > do a song. Maybe 1 person do a section then the other > does the next and so one. Then maybe share some > samples. Mainly lookin for someone that can do good > hooks...the catchy/trippy shit that gets ya in the > "groove." I am great at trippy pads and over effects. > Can do some really nice backbeats and cool audio > effects type stuff. Usually stick to low tempo > chill/trippy stuff...but sometimes i like to speed it > up..make it a bit dancy. Really need a good > chorus/hook guy tho. Could come out with some awsome > results...cool when you get different peoples styles > going into a song. > > > Anywho, if you are interested email me at: > tusmadre@yahoo.com > > I mostly use fruity loops 3 and acid 2. > > -Primate > > PS: I am pretty new in looped music, so i might not > be best bet for you pros. If you wanna hear some of > my stuff it'll be up soon on MP3.com. You can check > it out, artist name is "Grey Area" > > > > > > ===== > "Everybody seems to think I'm lazy. I don't mind, I think they're y" -John Lennon > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. > http://personals.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 09:01:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA03466; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 09:00:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 09:00:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: new Behringer MIDI controller Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 07:59:06 -0500 Message-ID: <002901c15579$2c1ac440$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <20011015111333.19182.qmail@email.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To me, it doesn't appear to have any more features than the Yamaha MFC10. Steve Ginn > I've downloaded the manual, and having a read through it now, > since I'm also in the market for such a device. > > The English manual looks like a translation from German, so > the German version may be clearer. The way it looks to me: > - you can send up to 5 program changes in 1 FCB patch, so > they would have to be on different channels, or else there's no point! > - I think you set the MIDI channels up under Global settings > (e.g. Prg Change 1 -> Channel 1 (Echoplex), Prg Change 1 -> > Channel 2 (PCM90), etc.) > - Then, under each Preset, you specify what Prg Change to > send out on the specified channels. > > Interesting... > > Cheers, > > Brian Thomson > bnt@email.com > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Talk More, Pay Less with Net2Phone Direct(R), up to 1500 > minutes free! > http://www.net2phone.com/cgi-bin/link.cgi?143 > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 09:02:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA03481; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 09:01:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 09:01:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b501c15576$099d7320$c9c41ed9@oemcomputer> From: "Bruce Comens" To: References: Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 08:36:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Andy, i've been trying to email you but the gibson server is disavowing any knowledge of your existence--d'you think it's something you said? bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Ewen To: Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 4:19 AM Subject: RE: Looper development and production costs? > The simple reason for no advertising, at least in the last few years, is > that we cannot legally sell these things in any country except the US > and Switzerland until we have a CE-Approved version. Any expense > advertising in Guitarist or similar, would be wasted at this time. There > will be promotion and new endorsements and all the other marketing stuff > that helps sell products. We have held-off on all official reviews of > the Echoplex as well, so we don't annoy potential customers with the > old, 'yes, it is a great product and you definitely need it, but sorry > you can't buy one just yet' > > PS, if anyone wants a black Echoplex with cream artwork; no extra charge > :)) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: 13 October 2001 20:01 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? > > > One thing that I don't think has been mentioned here is promotion. I've > > NEVER seen and add featuring the EDP. Ever. Didn't even know about it > until I bought a JamMan and subscribed to this list. Never makes the > cover of any catalogs I get. Never heard of a product demo in any > store. The loopers' list is good, but is it visible to the entire music > > buying public? Seems more or less invisible to the public, in my > opinion. No wonder it's not a staple of everyone's rack. > > Now Electrix is not doing much better, in my opinion. They really need > to buy some ad space. Send reps out to the stores to do demos. The > usual. I know that's money, but it takes it to make it. Nice Repeater > product placement with Torn as he's starting the new Bowie project. > That should help get the word out. Gibson needs to give a couple of > EDPs to Fripp or Belew. Someone big. Even someone more visible like > Radiohead would be great. I know some people that went and bought KAOSS > > pads after seeing Radiohead perform with them. > > Also (I'm going to get it for this) The EDP is ugly. Repeater is ugly > too, but in a good way, IMO. It says, "Space 1999." It says, "I've got > > a bunch of very state of the art high tech stuff going on in here." > I've always felt the EDP looked a bit home made, kludgy. Looks won't > make a product, but they sure help. When Korg started the Trinity line, > > the store I worked in got a LOT of attention. They looked like > something Captain Picard would play. If Gibson cares about selling > EDPs, they'd get an industrial designer to redesign the face plate. > Graphic designer to redo the logo. Do any of these things make the EDP > a better product? No, but extra sales would sure influence someone into > > throwing cash at an EDP 2 project. > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Saturday, October 13, 2001, at 02:15 AM, Andy Ewen wrote: > > > Nick, if you are serious about getting 4 EDPs, I can probably sort out > a > > very good discount. If it were only up to me, I'd send you 4 direct > from > > here in the UK, but I don't want to tread on any Gibson reps toes, so > > they'd > > better come from the warehouse in Elgin, Chicago. > > Let me know and I'll have a word in the correct ears, > > Andy. > > > > andy.ewen@ trace-elliot.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nick douglas [mailto:nickd@mindspring.com] > > Sent: 12 October 2001 06:20 > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? > > > > > > Matthias wrote: > >> would that be acceptable? > > > > Simultaneous playback of several loops? Of different lengths? In > > Stereo? > > Near the current price? HUGE tracts of ... RAM? > > > > More than acceptable, that is wonderful! Heavenly! I've wanted four > > EDPs > > forever (two stereo pairs), but it's too much money. :( I'm ecstatic > to > > hear that the software is (largely) portable to new processors and > > readily > > adaptable for multi-loop simultaneous stereo. Could it overdub into > two > > stereo loops of different length at once? If so, one EDP could > > sometimes do > > the jobs of four (or Fripp's four TC2290s)! > > > > A steep discount on pairs of EDPs could prompt me not to wait. Buy > one > > at > > the dealer's normal price, get the next one (or two or three?) at 50% > > off > > should do it. The more i hear about the Repeater, the more i lust for > > multiple EDPs. > > > > my $0.02 > > -nick > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 09:20:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04352; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 09:18:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 09:18:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Apparently-From: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 08:17:47 -0500 Subject: Fruity loops From: Mike Feeney To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002801c15577$5099a400$7fa14ed8@gnv.bellsouth.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4wfhRD.A.gDB.vHuy7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Speaking of fruity loops, i've used that on the pc many times but have more recently gone back to the light side of the force (bought a Mac). Is there a Mac program out there similar to fruity loops? Thanks! Mike on 10/15/01 7.45 AM, shreeswifty at ppagano@bellsouth.net said somethin' like: > i suggested this about 6 months ago > i would like to try > > Pat Pagano, Director > South East Just Intonation Society > http://www.screwmusicforever.com/SHREESWIFT/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dave Hudson > To: > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 12:33 AM > Subject: co-op song...takers? > > >> Just wonderin if anyone wants to hook up and >> do a song. Maybe 1 person do a section then the other >> does the next and so one. Then maybe share some >> samples. Mainly lookin for someone that can do good >> hooks...the catchy/trippy shit that gets ya in the >> "groove." I am great at trippy pads and over effects. >> Can do some really nice backbeats and cool audio >> effects type stuff. Usually stick to low tempo >> chill/trippy stuff...but sometimes i like to speed it >> up..make it a bit dancy. Really need a good >> chorus/hook guy tho. Could come out with some awsome >> results...cool when you get different peoples styles >> going into a song. >> >> >> Anywho, if you are interested email me at: >> tusmadre@yahoo.com >> >> I mostly use fruity loops 3 and acid 2. >> >> -Primate >> >> PS: I am pretty new in looped music, so i might not >> be best bet for you pros. If you wanna hear some of >> my stuff it'll be up soon on MP3.com. You can check >> it out, artist name is "Grey Area" >> >> >> >> >> >> ===== >> "Everybody seems to think I'm lazy. I don't mind, I think they're > y" -John Lennon >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. >> http://personals.yahoo.com >> > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 10:51:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08854; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 10:51:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 10:51:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <089e01c15587$e9e501d0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011013184855.04a150f8@loopers-delight.com> <000f01c1544c$a30efa40$0e0aa8c0@den> Subject: Re: to control 2 EDPs Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 09:44:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I built several new EDP footpedals to control my two EDPs. Each footpedal has a passive Shadow switch to select EDP A or EDP B. With them, I can control one or the other but not both simultaneously. For more info (and pix) see: http://www.worldserver.com/leas/pedal.htm I've thought about adding a special "MUTE BOTH" switch that would send a MUTE to both units. That way, I could stop both EDPs simultaneously at the end of a song. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 11:03:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10518; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 11:03:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 11:03:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 10:02:43 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: to control 2 EDPs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <008c01c1558a$712c9700$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011013184855.04a150f8@loopers-delight.com> <000f01c1544c$a30efa40$0e0aa8c0@den> <089e01c15587$e9e501d0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0hGp9C.A.AkC.Xqvy7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you could make a fs with double pole switches instead of single. then you could add two output jacks and two latching switches that connect/disconnect each jack. this would allow all four possibilities (control 1, the other, both, or neither) doesn't really work for more than two edps, though. > I built several new EDP footpedals to control my two EDPs. Each footpedal > has a passive Shadow switch to select EDP A or EDP B. With them, I can > control one or the other but not both simultaneously. > > For more info (and pix) see: > http://www.worldserver.com/leas/pedal.htm > > I've thought about adding a special "MUTE BOTH" switch that would send a > MUTE to both units. That way, I could stop both EDPs simultaneously at the > end of a song. > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 11:16:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11380; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 11:15:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 11:15:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901c1558c$b5b4ec40$ac5430d5@snowmonster> Reply-To: "one less than none" From: "one less than none" To: References: Subject: Re: new version of loop?? Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 16:18:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com - HalfSpeed - Internal bpm tempo control - 16 loops - 16 presets for parameters and tempo - direct MIDI access for all existing and more functions - Sysex parameter editing (SoundDiver...) - display of FeedBack and Volume values - parameter values controlled by FeedBack knob - far more acurate and flexible syncing (SongPositionPointer, rounding SycRecord, Shifting ReAligning of the loop in relation to the sequencer, quantized 8th/cycle switching...) - loads of variations and improvements to functions that are even harder to explain in a line or two ;-) - so far I have 26 points on my list. hehehehe, i cant wait ! David one less than none http://www.onelessthannone.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 11:43:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12782; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 11:42:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 11:42:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 08:41:33 -0700 Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <1C25837C-C183-11D5-B04A-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It seems to be a catch 22. We don't sell a lot, because we don't advertise, we don't advertise because we don't make a lot. (assuming we won't sell a lot, I imagine, or why else?) a year ago, I'd have told you to call it the iEchoplex, put an ethernet connector on the back of it, and you could have had Bill Shatner advertise it for stock options. But that was then... Mark Sottilaro On Monday, October 15, 2001, at 01:19 AM, Andy Ewen wrote: > The simple reason for no advertising, at least in the last few years, is > that we cannot legally sell these things in any country except the US > and Switzerland until we have a CE-Approved version. Any expense > advertising in Guitarist or similar, would be wasted at this time. There > will be promotion and new endorsements and all the other marketing stuff > that helps sell products. We have held-off on all official reviews of > the Echoplex as well, so we don't annoy potential customers with the > old, 'yes, it is a great product and you definitely need it, but sorry > you can't buy one just yet' > > PS, if anyone wants a black Echoplex with cream artwork; no extra charge > :)) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: 13 October 2001 20:01 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? > > > One thing that I don't think has been mentioned here is promotion. I've > > NEVER seen and add featuring the EDP. Ever. Didn't even know about it > until I bought a JamMan and subscribed to this list. Never makes the > cover of any catalogs I get. Never heard of a product demo in any > store. The loopers' list is good, but is it visible to the entire music > > buying public? Seems more or less invisible to the public, in my > opinion. No wonder it's not a staple of everyone's rack. > > Now Electrix is not doing much better, in my opinion. They really need > to buy some ad space. Send reps out to the stores to do demos. The > usual. I know that's money, but it takes it to make it. Nice Repeater > product placement with Torn as he's starting the new Bowie project. > That should help get the word out. Gibson needs to give a couple of > EDPs to Fripp or Belew. Someone big. Even someone more visible like > Radiohead would be great. I know some people that went and bought KAOSS > > pads after seeing Radiohead perform with them. > > Also (I'm going to get it for this) The EDP is ugly. Repeater is ugly > too, but in a good way, IMO. It says, "Space 1999." It says, "I've got > > a bunch of very state of the art high tech stuff going on in here." > I've always felt the EDP looked a bit home made, kludgy. Looks won't > make a product, but they sure help. When Korg started the Trinity line, > > the store I worked in got a LOT of attention. They looked like > something Captain Picard would play. If Gibson cares about selling > EDPs, they'd get an industrial designer to redesign the face plate. > Graphic designer to redo the logo. Do any of these things make the EDP > a better product? No, but extra sales would sure influence someone into > > throwing cash at an EDP 2 project. > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Saturday, October 13, 2001, at 02:15 AM, Andy Ewen wrote: > >> Nick, if you are serious about getting 4 EDPs, I can probably sort out > a >> very good discount. If it were only up to me, I'd send you 4 direct > from >> here in the UK, but I don't want to tread on any Gibson reps toes, so >> they'd >> better come from the warehouse in Elgin, Chicago. >> Let me know and I'll have a word in the correct ears, >> Andy. >> >> andy.ewen@ trace-elliot.com >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nick douglas [mailto:nickd@mindspring.com] >> Sent: 12 October 2001 06:20 >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? >> >> >> Matthias wrote: >>> would that be acceptable? >> >> Simultaneous playback of several loops? Of different lengths? In >> Stereo? >> Near the current price? HUGE tracts of ... RAM? >> >> More than acceptable, that is wonderful! Heavenly! I've wanted four >> EDPs >> forever (two stereo pairs), but it's too much money. :( I'm ecstatic > to >> hear that the software is (largely) portable to new processors and >> readily >> adaptable for multi-loop simultaneous stereo. Could it overdub into > two >> stereo loops of different length at once? If so, one EDP could >> sometimes do >> the jobs of four (or Fripp's four TC2290s)! >> >> A steep discount on pairs of EDPs could prompt me not to wait. Buy > one >> at >> the dealer's normal price, get the next one (or two or three?) at 50% >> off >> should do it. The more i hear about the Repeater, the more i lust for >> multiple EDPs. >> >> my $0.02 >> -nick >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 11:50:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13400; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 11:49:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 11:49:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 08:48:55 -0700 Subject: Re: new Behringer MIDI controller Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <002901c15579$2c1ac440$6501a8c0@stevespc> Message-Id: <23E00FAC-C184-11D5-B04A-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com but I purchased the MFC10, and I've got to say it's damn expensive for something with one CC pedal and a plastic chassis. My guess is the Behringer will be half the price, I just couldn't wait for it to come out. Mark. On Monday, October 15, 2001, at 05:59 AM, M. Steven Ginn wrote: > To me, it doesn't appear to have any more features than the Yamaha > MFC10. > > Steve Ginn > >> I've downloaded the manual, and having a read through it now, >> since I'm also in the market for such a device. >> >> The English manual looks like a translation from German, so >> the German version may be clearer. The way it looks to me: >> - you can send up to 5 program changes in 1 FCB patch, so >> they would have to be on different channels, or else there's no point! >> - I think you set the MIDI channels up under Global settings >> (e.g. Prg Change 1 -> Channel 1 (Echoplex), Prg Change 1 -> >> Channel 2 (PCM90), etc.) >> - Then, under each Preset, you specify what Prg Change to >> send out on the specified channels. >> >> Interesting... >> >> Cheers, >> >> Brian Thomson >> bnt@email.com >> >> -- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk More, Pay Less with Net2Phone Direct(R), up to 1500 >> minutes free! >> http://www.net2phone.com/cgi-bin/link.cgi?143 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 12:10:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15367; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 12:09:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 12:09:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00e901c15509$449a6400$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <200110132231.SAA10876@hemlock.violacea.com> <006701c1545a$ce3eda60$c063f93f@dnlsh01> <00e901c15509$449a6400$080210ac@jpalmer> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 09:05:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: FRONT T-SHIRT design only Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i think you need to present your 'upside down labeled electrix cfc card' identification prior to be able to purchase these 'special' shirts. >aha! >another infidel joins the special shirt wearing judean people's front! > >> Dear Jason, >> >> Could I please order one of the special FRONT T-SHIRT designs as well? >> >> Just let me know where to send the funds and how much to include. >> Thanks a lot, yours, Rick Walker (Loop.pooL) >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 12:36:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17008; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 12:35:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 12:35:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005101c155b0$91b2be20$60ced63f@oemcomputer> From: "Rich Kroll" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 12:35:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004E_01C15575.D8770D60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C15575.D8770D60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C15575.D8770D60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C15575.D8770D60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 12:38:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17749; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 12:37:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 12:37:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 09:36:23 -0700 From: "Miko Biffle" To: Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA17469 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:12 PM 10/13/2001, Doug Miller wrote: >> Any $ put into design ALWAYS pays off big time on the bottom line. >>If Gibson cares about selling EDPs, they'd get an industrial designer to redesign the face plate. Graphic designer to redo the logo. Do any of these things make the EDP a better product? No, but extra sales would sure influence someone into throwing cash at an EDP 2 project. Kim replied... > I guess it makes sense that a graphic designer would think so. I tend to agree. but again, let's look at numbers to do such a project... Guys, I think a point might be made that taking care of these details *up front* in the design process could insure future growth and the returns of a larger user base *from the start* of the project. It's apparent that REDESIGN always heavily impacts management perception of any product and it's design team. It's very easy to lay blame on the design team. GWIZ was going through very tough times at that point, and everyone was pretty lucky to get *anything* out the door despite the incredible talent and drive of the people involved. Not that I don't want to see future investments, improvements and s/w updates on the EDP... it's my #1 looping tool! At this point I'd vote for Loop 4 s/w first... Respect, -Miko Biffle From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 12:43:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19174; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 12:41:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 12:41:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 09:40:37 -0700 Subject: Food for thought... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--912965990 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: kevin cooney To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <5CBBE672-C18B-11D5-87B2-000393152862@opendoor.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1--912965990 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Software options proliferate extremely easily, too easily in fact, because too many options create tools that can't ever be used intuitively. Intuitive actions confine the detail work to a dedicated part of the brain, leaving the rest of one's mind free to respond with attention and sensitivity to the changing texture of the moment. With tools, we crave intimacy. This appetite for emotional resonance explains why users - when given a choice - prefer deep rapport over endless options. You can't have a relationship with a device whose limits are unknown to you, because without limits it keeps becoming something else. --Apple-Mail-1--912965990 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII VerdanaSoftware options proliferate extremely easily, too easily in fact, because too many options create tools that can't ever be used intuitively. Intuitive actions confine the detail work to a dedicated part of the brain, leaving the rest of one's mind free to respond with attention and sensitivity to the changing texture of the moment. With tools, we crave intimacy. This appetite for emotional resonance explains why users - when given a choice - prefer deep rapport over endless options. You can't have a relationship with a device whose limits are unknown to you, because without limits it keeps becoming something else. --Apple-Mail-1--912965990-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 13:39:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22972; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 13:33:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 13:33:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PaulPokr@aol.com Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 13:31:17 EDT Subject: Re: new Behringer MIDI controller To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <13d.2f6490b.28fc7765@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone know what the price will be? Is anyone selling it now? I checked Musician's Friend and American Musical Supply sites earlier and did not find the pedal on their sites. Regards, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 13:59:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23840; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 13:48:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 13:48:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011015174700.12328.qmail@web12003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 10:47:00 -0700 (PDT) From: philip raath Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #613 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200110151643.MAA19388@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com my friend was pondering this and our solution (one of many, i'm sure) was steinburg rebirth. the reasons were 1. i think overall it is a superior program. the synth programing is more intuitive for musicians. of course that's only my opinion. 2. rebirth has the "mod" functions that allow you to expand it beyond the tr909 default and program with your own samples, just like fruityloops. to my habits the effects section is also much more accesible and intuitive. hope this is helpful, take care, phil > From: Mike Feeney > To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > > Subject: Fruity loops > > Speaking of fruity loops, i've used that on the pc > many times but have more > recently gone back to the light side of the force > (bought a Mac). Is there > a Mac program out there similar to fruity loops? > > Thanks! > > Mike ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 14:18:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26257; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 14:16:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 14:16:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: new Behringer MIDI controller Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 13:14:49 -0500 Message-ID: <002101c155a5$4769ded0$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <23E00FAC-C184-11D5-B04A-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: <59XRpB.A.rZG.Zfyy7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, you are probably right. I just wish these manufacturers would realize that it is much easier to figure out what patch to use with an alphanumeric display vs. a numeric one. I know it affects memory storage requirements and screen real estate, but it would be nice to have something like this with a better read out. Steve > > but I purchased the MFC10, and I've got to say it's damn > expensive for > something with one CC pedal and a plastic chassis. My guess is the > Behringer will be half the price, I just couldn't wait for it to come > out. > > Mark. > > On Monday, October 15, 2001, at 05:59 AM, M. Steven Ginn wrote: > > > To me, it doesn't appear to have any more features than the Yamaha > > MFC10. > > > > Steve Ginn > > > >> I've downloaded the manual, and having a read through it > now, since > >> I'm also in the market for such a device. > >> > >> The English manual looks like a translation from German, so the > >> German version may be clearer. The way it looks to me: > >> - you can send up to 5 program changes in 1 FCB patch, so > they would > >> have to be on different channels, or else there's no point! > >> - I think you set the MIDI channels up under Global > settings (e.g. > >> Prg Change 1 -> Channel 1 (Echoplex), Prg Change 1 -> Channel 2 > >> (PCM90), etc.) > >> - Then, under each Preset, you specify what Prg Change to > send out > >> on the specified channels. > >> > >> Interesting... > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> Brian Thomson > >> bnt@email.com > >> > >> -- > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Talk More, Pay Less with Net2Phone Direct(R), up to 1500 minutes > >> free! http://www.net2phone.com/cgi-bin/link.cgi?143 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 14:39:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27220; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 14:37:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 14:37:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BCB2C99.69AAA676@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 11:36:09 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #613 References: <20011015174700.12328.qmail@web12003.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1z-MvB.A.yoG.8yyy7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't really know Fruity Loops very well, but I do know Rebirth 338. Frankly, it's a bit clumsey in my opinion. Can't imput note info via midi in real time. Why? Because they're hanging on to an interface of a piece of hardware that's long gone. Current hardware from Roland DOES let you do this. Perhaps Rebirth 338 should try and emulate the newer hardware with that vintage sound. someone on the list posted this when I asked a similar question. Seems like they've missed their demo release date (was friday) but it looks pretty damn cool: http://www.ableton.com/web/english/products/ Mark philip raath wrote: > my friend was pondering this and our solution (one of > many, i'm sure) was steinburg rebirth. > the reasons were > 1. i think overall it is a superior program. the synth > programing is more intuitive for musicians. of course > that's only my opinion. > 2. rebirth has the "mod" functions that allow you to > expand it beyond the tr909 default and program with > your own samples, just like fruityloops. to my habits > the effects section is also much more accesible and > intuitive. > > hope this is helpful, > take care, > > phil > > > From: Mike Feeney > > To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > > > > Subject: Fruity loops > > > > Speaking of fruity loops, i've used that on the pc > > many times but have more > > recently gone back to the light side of the force > > (bought a Mac). Is there > > a Mac program out there similar to fruity loops? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Mike > > ===== > "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what > it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. > It is the knowledge that there can never really be any > peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally > for you too." > -Frederick Buechner > "The jewel is in the lotus." > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. > http://personals.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 15:31:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30152; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 15:23:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 15:23:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008d01c155ab$5d7371e0$cac41ed9@oemcomputer> From: "Bruce Comens" To: References: <13d.2f6490b.28fc7765@aol.com> Subject: Re: new Behringer MIDI controller Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 14:58:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com it's just now selling in italy for about $170, but i don't know what it will become in the u.s. I sent my query to behringer, and they responded very quickly to say it will indeed handle 5 different midi channels. Also seems like a pretty well-built pedal (i saw one as it was being carted out of the store). bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 1:31 PM Subject: Re: new Behringer MIDI controller > Does anyone know what the price will be? Is anyone selling it now? > > I checked Musician's Friend and American Musical Supply sites earlier and did not find the pedal on their sites. > > Regards, Paul > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 15:31:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30347; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 15:29:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 15:29:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c155af$88106c60$0601a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Om_Audio \(Clifford Novey\)" To: References: <20011015174700.12328.qmail@web12003.mail.yahoo.com> <3BCB2C99.69AAA676@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #613 Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 12:28:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't like Rebirth much myself either. I would say Reason would be a great choice- Mac/PC and sounds galore along with easy and varied programming techniques and low cpu usage. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 11:36 AM Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #613 > I don't really know Fruity Loops very well, but I do know Rebirth 338. > Frankly, it's a bit clumsey in my opinion. > philip raath wrote: > > > my friend was pondering this and our solution (one of > > many, i'm sure) was steinburg rebirth. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 16:12:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01089; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 16:09:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 16:09:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <092f01c155b4$4c9bfcd0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 15:02:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Also (I'm going to get it for this) The EDP is ugly. Repeater is ugly > too, but in a good way, IMO. It says, "Space 1999." It says, "I've got > a bunch of very state of the art high tech stuff going on in here." > I've always felt the EDP looked a bit home made, kludgy. Looks won't > make a product, but they sure help. When Korg started the Trinity line, > the store I worked in got a LOT of attention. They looked like > something Captain Picard would play. If Gibson cares about selling > EDPs, they'd get an industrial designer to redesign the face plate. > Graphic designer to redo the logo. Do any of these things make the EDP > a better product? No, but extra sales would sure influence someone into > throwing cash at an EDP 2 project. Actually, I rather like the faceplate of the EDP. It's not trendy and doesn't use the currently hip design fashions. So to me, it doesn't say "built in 2001", which is fine for 2001 but not in 2005. It's not cluttered with non-functional geegaws. Yes, I think it has a bit of home-made look about it and could probably be improved. Doesn't this open up a aftermarket for "EDP fashion accessories"? Somebody could design a stick-on for EDP faceplates. Doesn't some company like Avery make a pressure-sensitive laser/inkjet paper? Some LD lister want to design a template in Word, etc for us? We could ALL have unique EDPs! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 16:36:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02421; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 16:35:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 16:35:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BCB5708.102D41A4@cabq.gov> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 14:37:13 -0700 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? References: <092f01c155b4$4c9bfcd0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dennis Leas wrote: > Doesn't this open up a aftermarket for "EDP fashion accessories"? Somebody > could design a stick-on for EDP faceplates. Doesn't some company like Avery > make a pressure-sensitive laser/inkjet paper? Some LD lister want to design > a template in Word, etc for us? We could ALL have unique EDPs! Could I get one to match my Art X-15 midi pedal? The big pink and grey spash! Ack, yecch, barf , snort... -jas (gonna paint that X-15 someday, or maybe just sell it) Albuquerque From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 16:39:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02001; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 16:26:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 16:26:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <115.6240e8a.28fca05c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 16:26:04 EDT Subject: giggin with electrix To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_115.6240e8a.28fca05c_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_115.6240e8a.28fca05c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i took, for the first time, the electrix (mo-fx, filter factory, warp factory) to this past weekend's gig (benefit art show, 2 nites).....what fun!.....i would input a single note from guitar into the rang and go nuts turning knobs.....even got some of the folk who came to the opening to play with the electrix boxes, "just dont touch this knob!" (resonance, on the filter factory).....being pretty much "guitarcentric" in my little outings, anything that can munge up sounds is very helpful.....but several questions kept coming up in my mind "am i just having a ton-o-fun and is this really music?", no-one seemed to mind so i guess it wasnt in bad taste, and real question is, how do you make an old bald fat dude look interesting while he's twisting some knobs?.....obtw, the last sweetwater propaganda i received had the alesis air-synth (remember that one?) in it, maybe it made it to market.....:)m --part1_115.6240e8a.28fca05c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i took, for the first time, the electrix (mo-fx, filter factory, warp factory) to this past weekend's gig (benefit art show, 2 nites).....what fun!.....i would input a single note from guitar into the rang and go nuts turning knobs.....even got some of the folk who came to the opening to play with the electrix boxes, "just dont touch this knob!" (resonance, on the filter factory).....being pretty much "guitarcentric" in my little outings, anything that can munge up sounds is very helpful.....but several questions kept coming up in my mind "am i just having a ton-o-fun and is this really music?", no-one seemed to mind so i guess it wasnt in bad taste, and real question is, how do you make an old bald fat dude look interesting while he's twisting some knobs?.....obtw, the last sweetwater propaganda i received had the alesis air-synth (remember that one?) in it, maybe it made it to market.....:)m --part1_115.6240e8a.28fca05c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 17:20:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05851; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 17:18:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 17:18:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <49.1262d41a.28fcac71@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 17:17:37 EDT Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #611 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <9UMYaD.A._aB.8J1y7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim said > there is midi thru, no need for an external splitter. Definitely becomes a > non-issue in LoopIV. andy says .....but with Midi thru the Master>>>>Slave thing is lost. > >I have an idea to put a switch (maybe 2) on the FV-50L and rewire it for > the > >so that each EDP is routed to either its pedal pot or full feedback. > > should work. with the stereo out jacks on that pedal, you should be able to > make such a mod pretty easy so that each jack becomes an out to an echoplex > and the switch only has to connect/disconnect them to the pot. You could > even have a third option with both connected to their respective pot. Huh?!? but that was option one :-) How many contacts do I need to break for the EDP to stop seeing the pedal, in the vague and very unlikely hope its only the ring (>>wiper). I'll be getting the soldering iron out just as soon as I get the time. (I may be a bit busy with a project for a friend ;- ) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 17:24:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06072; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 17:23:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 17:23:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BCB5373.CC1DD61B@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 14:21:56 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? References: <092f01c155b4$4c9bfcd0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com or you could just use spray paint. I'm not sure many people have printers that could print that long. Plus, you'd need a sticker template with the proper holes punched out. Sounds like a mess to me. My mom would use nail polish and be done with it, but she's got a white Honda with the gold nameplate, so I think you know where that's going. (think New Jersey) Yes, I've used black electrical tape to modify all my ART gear (long since sold) and I've removed the Peavey logo from my KB-60s. The point is, people are used to slick design. Magazines and television use it a lot. People come to expect it. It signifies "Pro" Does it often mask shitty content? YES. Should that make a difference? NO. You wear a suit to a job interview, eh? Or at least your nice "work casual" clothes. Does it help? YES. Our culture's very heavy on the visual, and we're not going to change that. Good stuff will always find it's nitch, but if you're looking to hit a broad audience and influence new customers, put a nice "face" on your product Mark. Dennis Leas wrote: > > Also (I'm going to get it for this) The EDP is ugly. Repeater is ugly > > too, but in a good way, IMO. It says, "Space 1999." It says, "I've got > > a bunch of very state of the art high tech stuff going on in here." > > I've always felt the EDP looked a bit home made, kludgy. Looks won't > > make a product, but they sure help. When Korg started the Trinity line, > > the store I worked in got a LOT of attention. They looked like > > something Captain Picard would play. If Gibson cares about selling > > EDPs, they'd get an industrial designer to redesign the face plate. > > Graphic designer to redo the logo. Do any of these things make the EDP > > a better product? No, but extra sales would sure influence someone into > > throwing cash at an EDP 2 project. > > Actually, I rather like the faceplate of the EDP. It's not trendy and > doesn't use the currently hip design fashions. So to me, it doesn't say > "built in 2001", which is fine for 2001 but not in 2005. It's not cluttered > with non-functional geegaws. Yes, I think it has a bit of home-made look > about it and could probably be improved. > > Doesn't this open up a aftermarket for "EDP fashion accessories"? Somebody > could design a stick-on for EDP faceplates. Doesn't some company like Avery > make a pressure-sensitive laser/inkjet paper? Some LD lister want to design > a template in Word, etc for us? We could ALL have unique EDPs! > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 17:29:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06411; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 17:28:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 17:28:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 16:27:58 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #611 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01c501c155c0$430bc090$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <49.1262d41a.28fcac71@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-9XTjC.A.qjB.jT1y7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >How many contacts do I need to break for the EDP to stop seeing the pedal, >in the vague and very unlikely hope its only the ring (>>wiper). i'm betting there is a switch on the jack... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 17:43:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07138; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 17:41:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 17:41:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <66.15c6557a.28fcb1cf@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 17:40:31 EDT Subject: Re: MFC-10 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Any MFC-10 users not getting latency? (guess that's one feature the Behringer won't copy) andy butler PS Reckon most of the cost is in those massive springs which make the switches so hard to press. (take em out, works much better) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 18:00:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08925; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 17:59:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 17:59:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5CBBE672-C18B-11D5-87B2-000393152862@opendoor.com> References: <5CBBE672-C18B-11D5-87B2-000393152862@opendoor.com> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 14:57:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: Food for thought... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1208939406==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1208939406==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" On the other hand, "can't be used intuitively" might in some situations be one of those limits that encourage resonance and rapport. >Software options proliferate extremely easily, too easily in fact, >because too many options create tools that can't ever be used >intuitively. Intuitive actions confine the detail work to a >dedicated part of the brain, leaving the rest of one's mind free to >respond with attention and sensitivity to the changing texture of >the moment. With tools, we crave intimacy. This appetite for >emotional resonance explains why users - when given a choice - >prefer deep rapport over endless options. You can't have a >relationship with a device whose limits are unknown to you, because >without limits it keeps becoming something else. --============_-1208939406==_ma============ Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" On the other hand, "can't be used intuitively" might in some situations be one of those limits that encourage resonance and rapport. VerdanaSoftware options proliferate extremely easily, too easily in fact, because too many options create tools that can't ever be used intuitively. Intuitive actions confine the detail work to a dedicated part of the brain, leaving the rest of one's mind free to respond with attention and sensitivity to the changing texture of the moment. With tools, we crave intimacy. This appetite for emotional resonance explains why users - when given a choice - prefer deep rapport over endless options. You can't have a relationship with a device whose limits are unknown to you, because without limits it keeps becoming something else. Verdana --============_-1208939406==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 18:14:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09528; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 18:13:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 18:13:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3BCB5373.CC1DD61B@zerocrossing.net> References: <092f01c155b4$4c9bfcd0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <3BCB5373.CC1DD61B@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 15:10:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hope i don't step on anybody's toes or sense of 'design', but this talk of redesigning the echoplex faceplate seems pretty dern silly, IMHO. jeepers, you've got the best flexible/improvisational delay and looper there is in the EDP, and it's been doing its thing for 10 years now, with committed people continuing to update the software. It's a unique beast/instrument. and now the faceplate is bad? or at least, not good enough to grab a potential buyer's attention well enough to secure a sale? ack. no kid browsing through Guitar Center is gonna buy (or not buy) a fricking EDP because of the faceplate, any more than they are going to buy a Waldorf over a Novation because they like the color more. High end equipment is bought because it does the job you need it to do, and the interface works for the you, no matter how ugly it is (wow, that Moog modular looks slick with all them wires and shit! gotta get me one now just cuz it looks cool! how much is it dude?) and if your edp needs to have a black faceplate with different graphics...well, i'm sure there's a screenprinting shop in your area that would be more than happy to provide you a quote for doing a one-off. i would guess it would probably be somewhere in the $200+ range, and i'm sure your edp playing performance ability will increase significantly because of this. and all those fans that have been previously ignoring you will suddenly be aware of that wonderful new piece of gear in your rack and endless fawn over you. c'mon, get real and make some music. 2 pennies, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 18:18:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09407; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 18:11:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 18:11:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c155c7$2b592580$a0924e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 18:17:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dennis wrote: >Doesn't this open up a aftermarket for "EDP fashion accessories"? Somebody >could design a stick-on for EDP faceplates. Doesn't some company like Avery >make a pressure-sensitive laser/inkjet paper? Some LD lister want to design >a template in Word, etc for us? We could ALL have unique EDPs! Is it possible to get mine with the design on the back only? ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 18:23:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10031; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 18:22:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 18:22:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 15:22:43 -0700 Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Message-ID: <20011015.152243.355.7.tony-moore@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Tony Moore Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thank you! On Mon, 15 Oct 2001 15:10:04 -0700 rich writes: > hope i don't step on anybody's toes or sense of 'design', but this > talk of redesigning the echoplex faceplate seems pretty dern silly, > IMHO. jeepers, you've got the best flexible/improvisational delay > and looper there is in the EDP, and it's been doing its thing for 10 > > years now, with committed people continuing to update the software. > It's a unique beast/instrument. > > and now the faceplate is bad? or at least, not good enough to grab > a > potential buyer's attention well enough to secure a sale? > > ack. > > no kid browsing through Guitar Center is gonna buy (or not buy) a > fricking EDP because of the faceplate, any more than they are going > to buy a Waldorf over a Novation because they like the color more. > High end equipment is bought because it does the job you need it to > do, and the interface works for the you, no matter how ugly it is > (wow, that Moog modular looks slick with all them wires and shit! > gotta get me one now just cuz it looks cool! how much is it dude?) > > and if your edp needs to have a black faceplate with different > graphics...well, i'm sure there's a screenprinting shop in your area > > that would be more than happy to provide you a quote for doing a > one-off. > > i would guess it would probably be somewhere in the $200+ range, and > > i'm sure your edp playing performance ability will increase > significantly because of this. and all those fans that have been > previously ignoring you will suddenly be aware of that wonderful new > > piece of gear in your rack and endless fawn over you. > > c'mon, get real and make some music. > > 2 pennies, > > rich > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 18:26:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09853; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 18:20:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 18:20:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 18:19:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200110152219.SAA28488@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 64.59.15.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > no kid browsing through Guitar Center is gonna buy (or not buy) a > fricking EDP because of the faceplate, any more than they are going > to buy a Waldorf over a Novation because they like the color more. > High end equipment is bought because it does the job you need it to > do, and the interface works for the you, no matter how ugly it is > (wow, that Moog modular looks slick with all them wires and shit! > gotta get me one now just cuz it looks cool! how much is it dude?) I completely, utterly and totally disagree with this statement. If there's one thing we've learned from this thread, it's that MOST of the people who buy gear don't actually use most of its capabilities and only buy it because it's perceived as cool. And we learned that if it wasn't for these people, gear would cost twice what it does. Therefore, it behooves a manufacturer to spend the extra $$$ to make it bright and shiny and to appeal to the weak minded... /t -- I am the wombat. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 18:38:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10540; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 18:33:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 18:33:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 18:32:16 EDT Subject: Re: Behringer Footcontroller To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Behringer FCB 1010 midi controller Doesn't seem to do Note OFF so forget it for the EDP Andy Butler But looks like you can select what the 2 footcontrollers will do from the footswiches. ...and keep an eye out, they say its software upgradable.  From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 18:48:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11303; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 18:47:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 18:47:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BCB6760.69983E20@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 15:46:56 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? References: <092f01c155b4$4c9bfcd0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <3BCB5373.CC1DD61B@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you are wrong. Mark rich wrote: > hope i don't step on anybody's toes or sense of 'design', but this > talk of redesigning the echoplex faceplate seems pretty dern silly, > IMHO. jeepers, you've got the best flexible/improvisational delay > and looper there is in the EDP, and it's been doing its thing for 10 > years now, with committed people continuing to update the software. > It's a unique beast/instrument. > > and now the faceplate is bad? or at least, not good enough to grab a > potential buyer's attention well enough to secure a sale? > > ack. > > no kid browsing through Guitar Center is gonna buy (or not buy) a > fricking EDP because of the faceplate, any more than they are going > to buy a Waldorf over a Novation because they like the color more. > High end equipment is bought because it does the job you need it to > do, and the interface works for the you, no matter how ugly it is > (wow, that Moog modular looks slick with all them wires and shit! > gotta get me one now just cuz it looks cool! how much is it dude?) > > and if your edp needs to have a black faceplate with different > graphics...well, i'm sure there's a screenprinting shop in your area > that would be more than happy to provide you a quote for doing a > one-off. > > i would guess it would probably be somewhere in the $200+ range, and > i'm sure your edp playing performance ability will increase > significantly because of this. and all those fans that have been > previously ignoring you will suddenly be aware of that wonderful new > piece of gear in your rack and endless fawn over you. > > c'mon, get real and make some music. > > 2 pennies, > > rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 18:49:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11436; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 18:49:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 18:49:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BCB67B5.477550EB@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 15:48:22 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? References: <200110152219.SAA28488@www.editev.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You are correct. Mark Tom Ritchford wrote: > > no kid browsing through Guitar Center is gonna buy (or not buy) a > > fricking EDP because of the faceplate, any more than they are going > > to buy a Waldorf over a Novation because they like the color more. > > High end equipment is bought because it does the job you need it to > > do, and the interface works for the you, no matter how ugly it is > > (wow, that Moog modular looks slick with all them wires and shit! > > gotta get me one now just cuz it looks cool! how much is it dude?) > > I completely, utterly and totally disagree with this statement. > > If there's one thing we've learned from this thread, it's > that MOST of the people who buy gear don't actually use > most of its capabilities and only buy it because it's > perceived as cool. > > And we learned that if it wasn't for these people, gear would > cost twice what it does. > > Therefore, it behooves a manufacturer to spend the extra > $$$ to make it bright and shiny and to appeal to the > weak minded... > > /t > > -- > > I am the wombat. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 19:10:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13197; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 19:04:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 19:04:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011015154813.01ecefb0@mail.mindspring.com> X-Files: The truth is out there. Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 16:00:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? In-Reply-To: <200110152219.SAA28488@www.editev.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:19 PM 2001/10/15 -0400, Tom wrote: >If there's one thing we've learned from this thread, it's >that MOST of the people who buy gear don't actually use >most of its capabilities and only buy it because it's >perceived as cool. Raises an interesting point. Should manufacturers bother building anything that appeals to more than the mass-perception of coolness (since that's what sells to the most people)? >And we learned that if it wasn't for these people, gear would >cost twice what it does. > >Therefore, it behooves a manufacturer to spend the extra >$$$ to make it bright and shiny and to appeal to the >weak minded... Not sure that it does. I'd bet that there are a lot of devices/instruments/controllers that won't see a bottom-line benefit to appealing to the mass-perception of coolness. Sean From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 19:17:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13500; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 19:11:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 19:11:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3BCB6760.69983E20@zerocrossing.net> References: <092f01c155b4$4c9bfcd0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <3BCB5373.CC1DD61B@zerocrossing.net> <3BCB6760.69983E20@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 16:07:24 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com gosh, what was i thinking? thank you for setting me straight. i keep forgetting that everybody buys gear for the same reason... what a dunce i am. rich >you are wrong. > >Mark > >rich wrote: > >> hope i don't step on anybody's toes or sense of 'design', but this > > talk of redesigning the echoplex faceplate seems pretty dern silly, From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 20:17:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16672; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 20:05:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 20:05:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 00:03:39 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Oct 2001 00:03:39.0617 (UTC) FILETIME=[027CA510:01C155D6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would like to propose a theory of mine: "The aesthetic of a tool or instrument greatly determines the way a user will interact with it" The dictionary defines aesthetic this way: aesthetic adj :1. relating to the philosophical principles of aesthetics 2. sensitive to or appreciative of art or beauty 3. pleasing in appearance But I like to constantly remind myself that aesthetic is the antonym to anesthetic or lack of feeling. Therefore, I define aesthetic in the context on how something affects your senses - ALL your senses. Something can be aesthetically pleasing, or bland, or smelly, or dissonant, or disturbing. Nobody on this list can tell me that they are not affected by what their senses tell them about the world around them. You cannot tell me that you will play the same on a pristine perfect steinway concert grand as opposed to a baldwin upright. That is because the steinway grand has an astonishing effect on your senses, it feels smooth to play, it looks extremely dashing, putting your hand on the wood gives you a cool, smooth feeling, and best of all it pleases your ears because it sounds so good. It is likely that you will play very well on it, but it is also likely that your playing will be more reserved and less risky. You might not think to reach inside and pluck the strings for effect the way you might on a baldwin upright missing its cover in your living room. what am I getting at: I'm not sure, but I know that the EDP has a very functional, simple, and "down-to-business" aesthetic. This has affected how I use the instrument. It is not a toy, it is a professional quality looping tool, that isn't fooling around. Other machines that most would call aesthetically pleasing look like toys in comparison. The EDP faceplate clearly broadcasts a signal which deters people who just want to fool around with "laying down a loop and endlessly noodling." Now is it good business practice to limit your sales to a select group of die-hards? No. If what you want to do is make money, you have to fool your customers into buying your widget. Then ideally to make more money you need to keep fooling them into being happy once they've bought your widget, so they tell their friends to buy your widget. the single best way to fool consumers in America is to make it look and feel better than your competitors. The common consumer in america has NO IDEA what is inside any of the widgets they own, they have to judge everything on what their senses tell them. In fact most common consumers aren't really even in touch with their own senses, they need to be told what to like by the mass media (but that's a whole other story). If you want to make a quality product whose few owners are incredibly happy with their purchase, you have to do what you have to do. Often this doesn't include bending over backwards for pleasing aesthetic design - and none of US care, in fact its kind of endearing... Jon _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 20:26:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17600; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 20:25:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 20:25:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.86.66.175] From: "wayne schroeder" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight-d@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #614 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 00:24:16 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Oct 2001 00:24:16.0716 (UTC) FILETIME=[E3DAF8C0:01C155D8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Check it: www.skop.com/brucelee/ playlist: 10/14/01 gottfried mind - tespress III (white label) theo parrish - 'ebonics sound' brothomstates - qtio ep (warp) aphex twin - 'drukqs' VA - 'whitewash club #9' (silent) richie hawtin - closer to the edit (mute) bjork - vespertine ur - hardlife plaid - rakimo - (warp) pole - 'r' >From: Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight-d@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #614 >Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 18:38:58 -0400 > ><< message2.txt >> ><< message4.txt >> ><< message9.txt >> ><< message11.txt >> ><< message13.txt >> ><< message15.txt >> ><< message17.txt >> ><< message19.txt >> ><< message21.txt >> ><< message23.txt >> ><< message28.txt >> ><< message30.txt >> ><< message32.txt >> ><< message34.txt >> ><< message39.txt >> ><< message41.txt >> ><< message43.txt >> _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 20:27:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17601; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 20:25:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 20:25:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20011015154813.01ecefb0@mail.mindspring.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011015154813.01ecefb0@mail.mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 20:24:20 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com is there one of you on the list who can really truly claim you never bought an instrument at least partly because it looked exciting? (and if you are a guitarist, I'm not going to believe you if you say no!) For example, I have two of these: http://www.gibson.com/whatsnew/pressrelease/2000/dec11a.html aren't they great? http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 20:28:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17859; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 20:27:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 20:27:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BCB7EA0.86DF03B8@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 17:26:08 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? References: <092f01c155b4$4c9bfcd0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <3BCB5373.CC1DD61B@zerocrossing.net> <3BCB6760.69983E20@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not a problem. Common mistake people not educated in the visual arts make. You can't judge a book by a cover, but everyone does. Mark rich wrote: > gosh, what was i thinking? thank you for setting me straight. > > i keep forgetting that everybody buys gear for the same reason... > what a dunce i am. > > rich > > >you are wrong. > > > >Mark > > > >rich wrote: > > > >> hope i don't step on anybody's toes or sense of 'design', but this > > > talk of redesigning the echoplex faceplate seems pretty dern silly, From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 20:32:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18100; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 20:31:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 20:31:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20011015154813.01ecefb0@mail.mindspring.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011015154813.01ecefb0@mail.mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 20:30:24 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 06:19 PM 2001/10/15 -0400, Tom wrote: > >>If there's one thing we've learned from this thread, it's >>that MOST of the people who buy gear don't actually use >>most of its capabilities and only buy it because it's >>perceived as cool. > >Raises an interesting point. Should manufacturers bother building >anything that appeals to more than the mass-perception of coolness >(since that's what sells to the most people)? Now, now, you are putting words in my mouth. It needs to serve a unique and useful purpose. It needs to *define* coolness to the masses! >>And we learned that if it wasn't for these people, gear would >>cost twice what it does. >> >>Therefore, it behooves a manufacturer to spend the extra >>$$$ to make it bright and shiny and to appeal to the >>weak minded... > >Not sure that it does. I'd bet that there are a lot of >devices/instruments/controllers that won't see a bottom-line benefit >to appealing to the mass-perception of coolness. It's like a Significant Other. You get them for the functionality but the appearance adds significantly to the experience. Three rules of Indian Theater (from Jeremy Halpern). 1. it must be pleasing to the drunk. 2. it must answer the question, "How shall I live my life?" 3. it must answer the question, "How is the universe put together?" Your product is not great unless it attracts both the idiot and the sage! I'd exclude only a very very few highly technical pieces of gear from this... even a Cray computer cluster is designed to be waaay impressive looking. /t http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 20:36:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18301; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 20:35:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 20:35:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011015202949.007fa4c0@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 20:29:49 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011015154813.01ecefb0@mail.mindspring.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20011015154813.01ecefb0@mail.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And from the "Famous Guy Uses This" department, there's a guy selling a pair of PCM 42's on eBay right now who claims they can be heard on albums by, ahem, JIMI HENDRIX, among others... I know Jimi was ahead of his time, but c'mon, Lexicon wasn't even founded until 1971, by which time Hendrix's output had slowed considerably due to his death the year before. (I wonder if the guy was talking about the posthumous Alan Douglas releases...) -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 20:44:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18677; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 20:43:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 20:43:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20011015202949.007fa4c0@pop.metrocast.net> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011015154813.01ecefb0@mail.mindspring.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20011015154813.01ecefb0@mail.mindspring.com> <3.0.5.32.20011015202949.007fa4c0@pop.metrocast.net> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 20:42:06 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:29 PM -0400 10/15/01, Tim Nelson wrote: >And from the "Famous Guy Uses This" department, there's a guy selling a >pair of PCM 42's on eBay right now who claims they can be heard on albums >by, ahem, JIMI HENDRIX, among others... > >I know Jimi was ahead of his time, but c'mon, Lexicon wasn't even founded >until 1971, by which time Hendrix's output had slowed considerably due to >his death the year before. (I wonder if the guy was talking about the >posthumous Alan Douglas releases...) They release a ton of "new" Hendrix CDs this year including the boxed set so it could be correct. I think his output was greater in 2000 than any year he was alive. (In 1977, two A&R guys are talking: one says, "Did you hear that Elvis just died?" and the other says "No! Great career move!") However, you might still want to notify eBay of this fact because it's pretty dam' deceptive when it comes down to it. /t http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 20:56:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18974; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 20:50:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 20:50:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 19:50:01 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002b01c155dc$7cb09d40$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011015154813.01ecefb0@mail.mindspring.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20011015154813.01ecefb0@mail.mindspring.com> <3.0.5.32.20011015202949.007fa4c0@pop.metrocast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >..., by which time Hendrix's output had slowed considerably due to > his death the year before. only for tax purposes... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 21:02:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20468; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 21:01:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 21:01:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BCB86C0.75AA4828@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 18:00:49 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011015154813.01ecefb0@mail.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wow, that's sure the best nativity scene I've ever seen on a guitar. For the EDP, I'd suggest a more secular look. I hate to say it, but the "who cares about design?" attitude is totally typical of the more technically orientated. One of my good friends (does the backend web based database programming) thought the end of the web happened with the introduction of images. Because of this attitude, I see a hell of a lot of ugly web sites. A hell of a lot of ugly in general. Now, have I ever bought a piece of gear or instrument because of it's look? No. However, I know that when I first saw a Steinberger I thought, "Wow, weird. I wonder what that plays like?" My curiosity influenced me to play one, and it's quality got me to eventually buy one. So there you have it. I can think of a bunch of other times similar things have happened. The first time I saw an Alessis Air Effect, I thought, "What the hell is that thing?" Got me to check one out for sure. Never bought one, as it didn't do anything that other gear I have already does, but with a different interface. It got me to tell a DJ friend of mine about it, though, and he bought one. Now frankly, the look of the EDP says to me, "Small company, maybe not going to be around very long. Ran out of cash and didn't do any industrial or graphic design." I know this isn't true, but when this is at your local music shop in a rack of other gear screaming for my attention, unless I'm looking for it, it may be easy to pass by. Now, if it looked interesting, a young pre looper might ask the salesman, "Hey, what does that thing do?" (if it's designed correctly, the look would elude to it's function as well) A quick demo, and they're running visa cards. They all live happily ever after. Next year a stereo version comes out. The End. Tom Ritchford wrote: > is there one of you on the list who can really > truly claim you never bought an instrument > at least partly because it looked exciting? > > (and if you are a guitarist, I'm not going to believe > you if you say no!) > > For example, I have two of these: > > http://www.gibson.com/whatsnew/pressrelease/2000/dec11a.html > > aren't they great? > > http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. > http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. > http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 21:18:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21098; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 21:17:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 21:17:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c155df$66ef20a0$7fa14ed8@gnv.bellsouth.net> From: "shreeswifty" To: References: <005101c155b0$91b2be20$60ced63f@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: unsubscribe Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 21:10:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C155BD.DF9A5D20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <4Ud8qB.A.RJF.rp4y7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C155BD.DF9A5D20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C155BD.DF9A5D20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C155BD.DF9A5D20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 21:18:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20928; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 21:12:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 21:12:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011015180214.01ef4658@mail.mindspring.com> X-Files: The truth is out there. Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 18:08:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? In-Reply-To: <3BCB86C0.75AA4828@zerocrossing.net> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011015154813.01ecefb0@mail.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Funny - I see a hell of a lot of ugly web sites that are ugly because of the images! (is that what you were saying? or were you saying that websites are ugly if they don't have images? or that ugly websites are made by people that think the end of the web happened with introduction of images?) At 06:00 PM 2001/10/15 -0700, Mark wrote: >One of my good friends >(does the backend web based database programming) thought the end of the >web happened with the introduction of images. Because of this attitude, >I see a hell of a lot of ugly web sites. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 22:08:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23961; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 22:02:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 22:02:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c155e6$8964acc0$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: <005101c155b0$91b2be20$60ced63f@oemcomputer> <000c01c155df$66ef20a0$7fa14ed8@gnv.bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: unsubscribe Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 19:01:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C155AB.DCB1E860" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C155AB.DCB1E860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the = subject and body, and no sig files or anything else, to: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you are on the digest version of Looper's Delight, send your = unsubscribe request to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com Don't send your unsubscribe message to the list, or people will make fun = of you and you will feel like a dork. I'm having trouble subscribing/unsubscribing to the list. What's wrong? Usually people have trouble because they try to have a conversation with = me or someone while subscribing. Don't do that. The subscription process = is automated, and the mailing list server is very stupid. Idle = conversation totally confuses it. It only understands the words = subscribe and unsubscribe, nothing else. It also will totally fail to = understand the witty quote in your signature file. So turn those sig = files off! If you say anything other than "subscribe" it makes a confused = whimpering sound and then replies to you with a help file. You may want = to consider reading the help file before resending the exact same = subscribe mail 30 times. (you'd be surprised, people do this!) other common problems: - Don't use the quotes on "subscribe." It's just subscribe - Subscribe is spelled S - U - B - S - C - R - I - B - E.=20 - Make sure html and rich text formatting is turned off in your mail = program.=20 - Make sure you are sending your request to the correct address noted = above, and you have it spelled right. If you are on the digest, make = sure you use the digest request address.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: shreeswifty=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 6:10 PM Subject: Re: unsubscribe unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C155AB.DCB1E860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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= ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C155AB.DCB1E860-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 22:35:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25028; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 22:28:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 22:28:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011016022759.66538.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 19:27:59 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Damn Tom, I really wish you hadn't made me aware of that. I think I'll hold out for the "Jim Jones" model with the optional Kool-Aid. John PS- not knocking Jesus, knocking Gibson. --- Tom Ritchford wrote: > For example, I have two of these: > > http://www.gibson.com/whatsnew/pressrelease/2000/dec11a.html > > aren't they great? ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 22:37:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25310; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 22:35:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 22:35:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: <62.15707670.28fcf6e8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 22:35:20 EDT Subject: Re: Looper development Looks, etc.; To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 104 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Umm...I must confess that the sp202 looked tres cool to me a few years back. & I so bought the sp202 cause I imagined it bein' even cooler lookin in the dark & simple to use ( it was very cool lookin and easy to use ). Though today, i hardly ever bother to use the sp202. But its funny, that to this day, whenever anyone comes over to my home and sees my rack gear and synths etc, ( usually non-musicians or non gear head types of folks ) they always ask "what is that thing?" I say its something I hardly ever use but they all say "wow, it must sound cool" & I just smile. But looks kinda do matter, though i wouldnt necessarily say the clothes "make the man". In the end isnt it all in how u feel about yourself and how contagious or re-pakageable that feeling is to others ? Warm Regards, John Price/AKASH "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" www.akashmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 22:58:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26257; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 22:57:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 22:57:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@fixme User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 19:57:08 -0700 Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com All this talk about spiffing up the faceplate of the EDP seems a bit pointless since Gibson already sells all they can make without any advertising. The EDP is, and always will be a niche product, regardless of the faceplate. I think Kim has spoken authoritatively on the dicey ROI (return on investment) that any redesign of the front panel would necessitate, and somehow I really doubt that Gibson/Trace is going to suddenly triple the production run at this point in the game. And I move that whoever advocated the redesign as a sales-booster be the first point of contact for ten thousand kids wanting to know why they shouldn't just buy a Repeater, or do it all on a PC [note: I'm not saying they should, just that it'll be the first question from a prospective looper's mouth]. Flashing lights might make you notice something, but it takes a lot more than that to drag $500+ out of someone's pocket. There's tons of mediocre guitars out there with flashy designs, but Fender still moves thousands of homely Telecasters out the door each year. TH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 23:12:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27723; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 23:06:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 23:06:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Looper development and production costs? Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 23:05:57 -0400 Message-ID: <002801c155ef$7a487c40$3b2f04d1@ij.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually, the rather odd color of the EDP has prompted lots of people to ask me what it was- it really stands out among the black/white/silver of most rack devices. And LEDs that can be 3 different colors!! How cool! A rather late suggestion for the EDP update would be to get the LEDs to randomly blink different colors, in and out of sequence, for no apparent reason. If you want people to stop and look at it in a store, that should work. Trace Elliot prolly has a lot of that black and green paint laying around also. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > All this talk about spiffing up the faceplate of the EDP > seems a bit pointless since Gibson already sells all they can > make without any advertising. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 23:25:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28493; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 23:24:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 23:24:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 01:23:27 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Looper Features-Cosiderations Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/7.01/eno.html yes, I know, for me the LOOP delay was enough... I totally agree that a tool has to be simple enough to be understood by intuition. but I am not sure whether he is right about limitations: Why would the creator of the tool have to give them? Certainly to some extent, but: Why cant the users brain select a limited enough number of features and then teach those to intuition and forget about the others? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 15 23:30:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28726; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 23:29:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 23:29:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011016032816.77064.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 20:28:16 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <092f01c155b4$4c9bfcd0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Neat! We could even rename it to our liking. Hmmmm, let's see............Kiminator, GrobBox, He-Man Woman-Haters' PlayStation (for Rick) :) and for me............ "The Now You Only Have To Nail That F Chord In House of the Rising Sun One Damn Time Miracle Box" John --- Dennis Leas wrote: > Doesn't this open up a aftermarket for "EDP fashion > accessories"? Somebody > could design a stick-on for EDP faceplates. ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 00:18:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA31581; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 00:12:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 00:12:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008c01c155f8$f6f53540$d962f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200110160237.WAA25400@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Buying equipment based on looks Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 21:13:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am seriously considering buying a guitar, merely because it is made of dayglo green translucent plexiglass. There, I said it! GUITLY!!!!!!!!! Also, anybody encouraging the EDP to redesign it's faceplate must have not taken the time to read Kim's elucidative article on why that is completely infeasible. That being said, I'll go on record as saying that the EDP looks really dorky to me. I'm also saving my artbucks to be able to buy one now that it is looking like the Repeater and Line6 Echo Pro seem to have dropped the ball on live looping considerations. Kim has made some very persuasive arguments for such a purchase and I went and gave one of my damn Jampersons away in anticipation of the release of the Repeater (i'll never make that stupid mistake again!!!) anyway and really need a third syncable looper. About the visuals of faceplates that suck (IMHO), you know what I do? (and I stole this , like many, many ideas from the incredibly talented Rhode Island electronica musician/guitarist/banjoist Michael Haumesser (aka, NotNoise)is I either take a box apart and paint it flat black (after memorizing the functions first, of course) or in the case of the very wierd, cheap and wonderful ZOOM 1201 (one of the truly certifiable ugly faceplate designs of all time) I went out and bought a bunch of the cool 'rave' metallic/holographic stick on material, cut it out, using the faceplate itself as a template and then stuck it on there. All kinds of people who would never pay a seconds attention to it , now come up at a gig and go "what's that device'.......to which I reply......"Oh that.....that's my mystery box".......................Poof.....instant magic and myth ;-) So you see, there are actually people to who such banal things matter LMAO! yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 00:22:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA31929; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 00:21:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 00:21:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005101c155fa$8a9fd4c0$9c56e540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <200110160237.WAA25400@hemlock.violacea.com> <008c01c155f8$f6f53540$d962f93f@dnlsh01> Subject: Re: Buying equipment based on looks Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 00:25:09 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tis' more than just looks... It's been scientificly proven that if it's black, it sounds better. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.mp3.com/dreamSTATE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 01:30:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA02983; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 01:29:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 01:29:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 22:28:54 -0700 Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20011015180214.01ef4658@mail.mindspring.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh, ugly is ugly. All text can be beautiful, if done well. Lot's of images can suck too (or be too much of a download time to ever be seen). Of course it's all subjective. Mark On Monday, October 15, 2001, at 06:08 PM, Sean Echevarria wrote: > Funny - I see a hell of a lot of ugly web sites that are ugly because > of the images! > > (is that what you were saying? or were you saying that websites are > ugly if they don't have images? or that ugly websites are made by > people that think the end of the web happened with introduction of > images?) > > > At 06:00 PM 2001/10/15 -0700, Mark wrote: >> One of my good friends >> (does the backend web based database programming) thought the end of >> the >> web happened with the introduction of images. Because of this >> attitude, >> I see a hell of a lot of ugly web sites. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 02:06:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA05240; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 02:02:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 02:02:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <49.1262d41a.28fcac71@aol.com> References: <49.1262d41a.28fcac71@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 04:01:59 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #611 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Kim said >> there is midi thru, no need for an external splitter. Definitely becomes a >> non-issue in LoopIV. > >andy says >.....but with Midi thru the Master>>>>Slave thing is lost. thats true, either you have to replug or use a MIDI splitter/patchbay or you wait for the upgrade ;-) > >> >I have an idea to put a switch (maybe 2) on the FV-50L and rewire it for >> the >> >so that each EDP is routed to either its pedal pot or full feedback. >> >> should work. with the stereo out jacks on that pedal, you should be able >to >> make such a mod pretty easy so that each jack becomes an out to an >echoplex >> and the switch only has to connect/disconnect them to the pot. You could >> even have a third option with both connected to their respective pot. > >Huh?!? but that was option one :-) if you use a mono pedal, the regulation range changes (may become insuficiant if the pot value is to hight) when you connect a second EDP. if you use a stereo pedal and connect each side to one EDP the range is constant. In either case, when you switch one side off, it goes to max value by itself which is probably what you want, rather than the front know value, right? >How many contacts do I need to break for the EDP to stop seeing the pedal, >in the vague and very unlikely hope its only the ring (>>wiper). The EDP checks with the Jack switch whether something is connected, so there is no way you can influence this externally by wiring. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 02:06:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA05241; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 02:02:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 02:02:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20011015154813.01ecefb0@mail.mindspring.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011015154813.01ecefb0@mail.mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 04:02:44 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It takes at least four models to cover the market: The *cheap* one that needs to look funny and do the minimum of the kind without study and sophistication. Should be possible to sell a million of such loop toys. (for ex. with a lot of blinking LEDs) The *serious* one which has all the usefull and hard to use stuff in it, but kept at minimum cost. (for ex. with numeric LED display) The *better* one which has some little features more than the serious one but looks better and costs a lot more. It pays for the *serious* one because the internal design can be the same. (for ex. with alphanumeric LED display) The *pro* model: any reasonable price as long as quality justifies. (for ex. with big luminous buttons) The *fancy* one that has to be expensive and look cool and noble. Either many features or just a volume knob. You dont sell many but earn a lot on each. (for ex. with big colour LCD display since the gui never goes on stage anyway:) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 02:06:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA05242; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 02:02:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 02:02:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002101c155a5$4769ded0$6501a8c0@stevespc> References: <002101c155a5$4769ded0$6501a8c0@stevespc> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 04:02:49 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: new Behringer MIDI controller Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Yeah, you are probably right. I just wish these manufacturers would >realize that it is much easier to figure out what patch to use with an >alphanumeric display vs. a numeric one. I know it affects memory >storage requirements and screen real estate, but it would be nice to >have something like this with a better read out. see? you dont want the cheapest! ;-) > >Steve > >> >> but I purchased the MFC10, and I've got to say it's damn >> expensive for >> something with one CC pedal and a plastic chassis. My guess is the >> Behringer will be half the price, I just couldn't wait for it to come >> out. >> >> Mark. >> >> On Monday, October 15, 2001, at 05:59 AM, M. Steven Ginn wrote: >> >> > To me, it doesn't appear to have any more features than the Yamaha >> > MFC10. >> > >> > Steve Ginn >> > >> >> I've downloaded the manual, and having a read through it >> now, since >> >> I'm also in the market for such a device. >> >> >> >> The English manual looks like a translation from German, so the >> >> German version may be clearer. The way it looks to me: >> >> - you can send up to 5 program changes in 1 FCB patch, so >> they would >> >> have to be on different channels, or else there's no point! >> >> - I think you set the MIDI channels up under Global >> settings (e.g. >> >> Prg Change 1 -> Channel 1 (Echoplex), Prg Change 1 -> Channel 2 >> >> (PCM90), etc.) >> >> - Then, under each Preset, you specify what Prg Change to >> send out >> >> on the specified channels. >> >> >> >> Interesting... >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> >> Brian Thomson >> >> bnt@email.com >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Talk More, Pay Less with Net2Phone Direct(R), up to 1500 minutes >> >> free! http://www.net2phone.com/cgi-bin/link.cgi?143 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 02:06:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA05243; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 02:02:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 02:02:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5CBBE672-C18B-11D5-87B2-000393152862@opendoor.com> References: <5CBBE672-C18B-11D5-87B2-000393152862@opendoor.com> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 04:02:29 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Food for thought... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kevin said: >You can't have a relationship with a device whose limits are unknown >to you, because without limits it keeps becoming something else. to become practic: If you never touch a parameter, or even if you experiment it once, then decide to set it (remember the value somehow for safety), then your intuition does not have to care for the other options that sleep behind this self imposed limit, no? It ends up the same as if the option was not there. But another user may set and abandon the parameter at a different value so he ends up playing a different instrument and the music comunity becomes more colourfull. Or did I miss something? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 02:09:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA05369; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 02:05:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 02:05:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3BCB86C0.75AA4828@zerocrossing.net> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011015154813.01ecefb0@mail.mindspring.com> <3BCB86C0.75AA4828@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 04:05:56 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you for all your nicely put opinions. I had a lot of smiles and did some thinking and ended up agreeing with Mark (below). I was never asked by anybody at Gibson whether the design fitted to what I had put into it or whether it fits to the customers I would expect (after I we had demoed the LOOP delay to hundreds of people during Frankfurt Messe). I may not be very smart at it anyway... and those people are all long gone, so it could be totally different today... With this discussion you animate a scenario, my friends, thank you very much! >wow, that's sure the best nativity scene I've ever seen on a guitar. >For the EDP, I'd suggest a more secular look. > >I hate to say it, but the "who cares about design?" attitude is totally >typical of the more technically orientated. One of my good friends >(does the backend web based database programming) thought the end of the >web happened with the introduction of images. Because of this attitude, >I see a hell of a lot of ugly web sites. A hell of a lot of ugly in >general. > >Now, have I ever bought a piece of gear or instrument because of it's >look? No. However, I know that when I first saw a Steinberger I >thought, "Wow, weird. I wonder what that plays like?" My curiosity >influenced me to play one, and it's quality got me to eventually buy >one. > >So there you have it. I can think of a bunch of other times similar >things have happened. The first time I saw an Alessis Air Effect, I >thought, "What the hell is that thing?" Got me to check one out for >sure. Never bought one, as it didn't do anything that other gear I have >already does, but with a different interface. It got me to tell a DJ >friend of mine about it, though, and he bought one. > >Now frankly, the look of the EDP says to me, "Small company, maybe not >going to be around very long. Ran out of cash and didn't do any >industrial or graphic design." I know this isn't true, but when this is >at your local music shop in a rack of other gear screaming for my >attention, unless I'm looking for it, it may be easy to pass by. Now, >if it looked interesting, a young pre looper might ask the salesman, >"Hey, what does that thing do?" (if it's designed correctly, the look >would elude to it's function as well) A quick demo, and they're running >visa cards. They all live happily ever after. Next year a stereo >version comes out. > >The End. > >Tom Ritchford wrote: > >> is there one of you on the list who can really >> truly claim you never bought an instrument >> at least partly because it looked exciting? >> >> (and if you are a guitarist, I'm not going to believe >> you if you say no!) >> >> For example, I have two of these: >> >> http://www.gibson.com/whatsnew/pressrelease/2000/dec11a.html >> >> aren't they great? >> >> http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. >> http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. >> http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 02:09:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA05380; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 02:06:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 02:06:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011015154813.01ecefb0@mail.mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 04:06:15 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <9J5J-D.A.sTB.r48y7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >is there one of you on the list who can really >truly claim you never bought an instrument >at least partly because it looked exciting? > >(and if you are a guitarist, I'm not going to believe >you if you say no!) NO anyway! I was not very lucky because I always fell in love with the sound and playability of an instrument and had to live its look or change it. Until I had a guitar made by my good friend Rolf. Even then, the form is mainly minimal ergonomic and he did not put the color I wanted on it, for some friendly reason ;-). But I love it. http://Matthias.Grob.org/pParad/Elegy.htm I never even touched any other guitar since '88 when it came to live. -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 02:17:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA05970; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 02:14:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 02:14:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 04:14:04 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >All this talk about spiffing up the faceplate of the EDP seems a bit >pointless since Gibson already sells all they can make without any >advertising. this has changed! they can build a lot more and better now! >The EDP is, and always will be a niche product, regardless of >the faceplate. ehmm, why that? arnt samplers more or much more expensive that the EDP? Can you really do that much more with one of those? >I think Kim has spoken authoritatively on the dicey ROI >(return on investment) that any redesign of the front panel would >necessitate, and somehow I really doubt that Gibson/Trace is going to >suddenly triple the production run at this point in the game. I dont think we can influence their decision very much, but suggest... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 02:35:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA06321; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 02:25:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 02:25:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002801c155ef$7a487c40$3b2f04d1@ij.net> References: <002801c155ef$7a487c40$3b2f04d1@ij.net> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 04:25:13 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: Looper development and production costs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Actually, the rather odd color of the EDP has prompted lots of people to >ask me what it was- it really stands out among the black/white/silver of >most rack devices. And LEDs that can be 3 different colors!! How cool! >A rather late suggestion for the EDP update would be to get the LEDs to >randomly blink different colors, in and out of sequence, for no apparent >reason. If you want people to stop and look at it in a store, that >should work. when we showed the LOOP delay at Frankfurt we had three of them hanging ovehead and we made a little program that kepts its LEDs and display going. The following year I found the EDP upside down and disconnected on a pile of equipment in a corner of the Gibson booth. But I dont like to play with a thing that blinks out of my rhythm. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 02:36:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA06553; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 02:32:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 02:32:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007501c1560b$ebad59c0$96a9fea9@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: Subject: Re: intro and newbie questions - drone recipe #1 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 02:28:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think there are a number of approaches, but one approach that seems to come easily to me is the following: 1) set a delay line to longer delay times such as 1 second or more 2) set the output mix from the delay to 50-100% wet (delayed) signal (go ahead and experiment with this) 3) crank up the feedback setting on the delay (if you can control the feedback in realtime via MIDI or knobs or something, that leads to some very wonderful techniques, see comments below) 4) feed some tone source (an overdriven guitar tone or synth pad tone works well, but lots of other things work too, or are at least interesting; if you use more purcussive, short decay-type tones, try shorter delay times) and somehow sweep the volume of this tone slowly from low to high and back down again using a volume knob or volume pedal or MIDI control or whatever. 5) WATCH THE FEEDBACK SETTING!! If you set it too high, the tone will keep building and building up. Sometimes this is painful, and it tends to scare pets and family. If you set it too low, the tone will fade out too soon. You should be able to find somewhere in between that sustains the delay tone almost indefinitely, or fades out very slowly, and if you can control the feedback setting in real time, you'll find you can overdub and fade out parts more or less as you want, and after your eyes boggle a bit you'll be on the looping trail in no time, as this is one of the fundamental looping tricks. Weeee!! 6) Enjoy! Mike P.S. an ebow can be used to good effect with a guitar using this technique (and sometimes without), that's been done a lot but I think it's fun, and a perceptable amplitude attack time on a synth tone can also serve here, although I find it more dynamic and expressive to control the volume in real time ----- Original Message ----- From: "whining elitist bastard" To: Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 12:49 AM Subject: intro and newbie questions > Greetings all, > > I'm just beginning to get into the world of sound exploration, and I'm > looking for a little advice and direction. Mainly I'm curious how to go > about creating the drones and washing feedback noize I hear in some of my > favorite music. (dvoa, not breathing, aube, etc...) > > Are loud walls of noise more a product of the gear, the sound source, the > technique? Are most drones simply looping samples? When I hear a beat or a > melody, I can imagine how it was constructed, but not so with these other > musical elements that I love... > > any advice appreciated.. > > -matt > > http://technosnob.com > AIM: t3chn0sn0b > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 02:42:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA06440; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 02:28:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 02:28:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20011016032816.77064.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20011016032816.77064.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 04:28:50 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Neat! We could even rename it to our liking. > On the prototype we printed nothing but: "The LOOP machine" but then we thought it was pretentions ;-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 09:52:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26676; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 09:44:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 09:44:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0FE98FA04927D411A48300D0B77CF9BB05958260@tiger.middlebury.edu> From: "Christensen, Mark" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: OT: RE: Buying equipment based on looks Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 09:43:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <3IBn3.A.RgG.ZmDz7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I am seriously considering buying a guitar, merely because it > is made of > dayglo green translucent plexiglass. > suddenly, i don't feel so alone. the b.c. rich model i think you are reffering to was so tempting. espcially when musician's friend was blowwing them out a few months back... in the end, i realised: (a) it would drive me nuts if it turned out to be unplayable, (b) it might look cool but would probably make me look pretty stupid. m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 10:42:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29894; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 10:41:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 10:41:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [199.179.162.166] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: NLRP1@hotmail.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: WOT - Leo Cavallo's Stuttering Stravinsky ACID Error Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 09:40:15 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Oct 2001 14:40:16.0572 (UTC) FILETIME=[78B70FC0:01C15650] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well Kudos to Mr. Cavallo for creating a wonderful piece. I have "remixed" this to a Hip Hop Flavor, a House Flavor, and R&B, and they love it on the dance floor. I just have one question, when I initialize the acd-zip (Acid Zipped File), I get this warning/error, below. "ACID 3 can only allow event pitch shifts of -24 to +24 semitones. One or more of the event pitch shifts in this project had to be reduced to fall inside this range" Now, Mr.. Cavallo, how can I get around this ? You obviously did this in ACID, and I am sure you did not get this error, what can I do to correct this? The error is not fatal, it renders the file, but I am sure I am missing some of the nuances of the piece..... Lucien E. Darthard A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It. http://ldarthard.ohgo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 11:35:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00564; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 11:34:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 11:34:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011016172536.00d8ad90@mail.groundloops.com> X-Sender: 03groundloopscom@mail.groundloops.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 17:33:37 +0200 To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: leocavallo Subject: Re: WOT - Leo Cavallo's Stuttering Stravinsky ACID Error In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi Mr. Darthard ;) that little song was created as a demo track in Acid Pro 2.0. Sadly the 3.0 release of the software doesn't allow more than +/- 24 semitones of pitch shifting on the samples.... indeed the special effects you're missing were created using extreme pitch settings (up to +/- 99 semitones). Try to open the track with Acid 2.0. It should work flawlessly. ciao leo PS I'd like to hear your remix versions... any mp3/CD available? At 09.40 16/10/01 -0500, you wrote: >Well Kudos to Mr. Cavallo for creating a wonderful piece. I have "remixed" >this to a Hip Hop Flavor, a House Flavor, and R&B, and they love it on the >dance floor. I just have one question, when I initialize the acd-zip (Acid >Zipped File), I get this warning/error, below. > >"ACID 3 can only allow event pitch shifts of -24 to +24 semitones. One or >more of the event pitch shifts in this project had to be reduced to fall >inside this range" > >Now, Mr.. Cavallo, how can I get around this ? You obviously did this in >ACID, and I am sure you did not get this error, what can I do to correct >this? The error is not fatal, it renders the file, but I am sure I am >missing some of the nuances of the piece..... > > > >Lucien E. Darthard >A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It. >http://ldarthard.ohgo.com/ > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp www.groundloops.com c o o l . s o u n d s & s a m p l e . c d s f r e e . s a m p l e s . a r c h i v e From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 11:38:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00819; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 11:37:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 11:37:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3BCB7EA0.86DF03B8@zerocrossing.net> References: <092f01c155b4$4c9bfcd0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <3BCB5373.CC1DD61B@zerocrossing.net> <3BCB6760.69983E20@zerocrossing.net> <3BCB7EA0.86DF03B8@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 08:33:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Not a problem. Common mistake people not educated in the visual arts >make. You can't judge a book by a cover, but everyone does. just to clarify here, Mark. Was it that email failed to transmit my sarcasm, or are you assuming that i am uneducated in the visual arts? rich >Mark > >rich wrote: > >> gosh, what was i thinking? thank you for setting me straight. >> >> i keep forgetting that everybody buys gear for the same reason... >> what a dunce i am. >> > > rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 12:02:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03005; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:01:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:01:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002401c15658$4ca86660$cbc41ed9@oemcomputer> From: "Bruce Comens" To: References: Subject: Re: Behringer Footcontroller Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 11:36:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com According to Behringer support, it can send note off if the "running status" is switched off in global setup. But i haven't checked to see what other (undesirable) effect that might have. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 6:32 PM Subject: Re: Behringer Footcontroller > Behringer FCB 1010 midi controller > > Doesn't seem to do Note OFF > so forget it for the EDP > > Andy Butler > > But looks like you can select what the 2 footcontrollers will do from the > footswiches. > > ...and keep an eye out, they say its software upgradable. >  > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 12:04:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01782; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 11:58:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 11:58:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 08:57:46 -0700 Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <8AD9C333-C24E-11D5-9771-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh, I got your sarcasm. I just can't believe that someone educated in the visual arts would believe that the look of a product has some influence of how it's perceived by potential users. If you have paid for a degree in industrial design, graphic design or some other field in the visual fine arts, I suggest you sue for your money back plus punitive damages. [ ;^) added as sarcasm indicator ] Mark On Tuesday, October 16, 2001, at 08:33 AM, rich wrote: >> Not a problem. Common mistake people not educated in the visual arts >> make. You can't judge a book by a cover, but everyone does. > > just to clarify here, Mark. Was it that email failed to transmit my > sarcasm, or are you assuming that i am uneducated in the visual arts? > > rich > > > >> Mark >> >> rich wrote: >> >>> gosh, what was i thinking? thank you for setting me straight. >>> >>> i keep forgetting that everybody buys gear for the same reason... >>> what a dunce i am. >>> >> > rich > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 12:11:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03446; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:10:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:10:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <8AD9C333-C24E-11D5-9771-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> References: <8AD9C333-C24E-11D5-9771-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:08:06 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark wrote: >Oh, I got your sarcasm. I just can't believe that someone educated >in the visual arts would believe that the look of a product has some >influence of how it's perceived by potential users. er, you mean "has NO influence"?? unless you have made a 180 degree turn in your argument? /t http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 12:40:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04624; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:39:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:39:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 09:38:03 -0700 Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <2B502ECC-C254-11D5-9771-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think one of the reasons I seem a bit curt on this subject is that I work very hard every day as a visual designer. I wouldn't THINK of trying to design the guts of a piece of digital electronics, or write the code that makes it go. So, why does the opposite hold true? I find this all the time. While in college, my C++ instructor, seeing that I was uninterested in programming, decided to show me the wonders of java on his web page. IT WAS HORRIBLE in every way. Seriously ugly, with every annoying animated gif he could find jammed into a train wreck of a page. I laughed at him and he seemed perplexed. "What?" he asked. I just replied, I'm glad there are people like you in the world, as I'm glad there are people like me. The point is, I know what I can and can't do. I have no problem saying, "that's not my bag, man!" Why (especially when it comes to my field, graphics and animation) does everyone in the world think, "sure, I'll just change the font in my cad program and it will be fine." ***Now, I'm not talking about stuff people do for their own enjoyment, and I'm not saying that not having an education makes you bad at something.*** If you enjoy doing something, do it. Don't let anyone discourage you. If you've never had a single lesson, but spend hours learning and practicing something, you can stop reading now. But if it's something you "dabble in" and you know it's "not your bag" and someone is paying you to do it, go and get some help from someone who is passionate about it. Much of the world is mediocher because of this attitude. I constantly pass on jobs because I know I really don't have the skill set to do it right. Why do so many people have a problem with doing the same? Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, October 16, 2001, at 08:33 AM, rich wrote: >> Not a problem. Common mistake people not educated in the visual arts >> make. You can't judge a book by a cover, but everyone does. > > just to clarify here, Mark. Was it that email failed to transmit my > sarcasm, or are you assuming that i am uneducated in the visual arts? > > rich > > > >> Mark >> >> rich wrote: >> >>> gosh, what was i thinking? thank you for setting me straight. >>> >>> i keep forgetting that everybody buys gear for the same reason... >>> what a dunce i am. >>> >> > rich > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 12:41:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04783; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:41:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:41:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 09:40:01 -0700 Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <719DFB2A-C254-11D5-9771-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: <_Wn2o.A.BJB.rLGz7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com woops, you're right. I meant to write, "...the look of a product doesn't have some influence..." Mark On Tuesday, October 16, 2001, at 09:08 AM, Tom Ritchford wrote: > Mark wrote: > >> Oh, I got your sarcasm. I just can't believe that someone educated in >> the visual arts would believe that the look of a product has some >> influence of how it's perceived by potential users. > > er, you mean "has NO influence"?? unless you have made a 180 degree > turn in your argument? > > /t > > > > http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. > http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. > http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 13:03:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06643; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 13:01:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 13:01:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <8AD9C333-C24E-11D5-9771-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> References: <8AD9C333-C24E-11D5-9771-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 09:57:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, you have a point. But how much flashy design can you put into a 1U rack space unit that's going to garner more sales from the target market that buys from the gut reaction of "oooh, that LOOKS cool"? My opinion is that HIGH END gear is aimed at a different target market that concentrates on playability and interfaces, and spending a bunch of hot air on how someone really SHOULD redesign their product look seems a bit silly when the product has a 10 year history already, and it's an expensive, complex tool that is going to be beyond the price ceiling/capacity of the aforementioned 'buy it because it's cool' target market. We're not talking $200 plexiglass BC Rich guitars here, or POD imitations, or stomp boxes. These are the kind of shit that people buy on impulse, as an effect of advertising or endorsment, or for a specific price point. Often these are the same things being sold in the classifieds several months after their release, because someone doesn't think it's cool anymore and has to move on to the next widget. The look and feel of a product has SO much to do with eventual sales. I'm not an idiot. But finding out exactly HOW a product feels, and WHY a specified target market wants to buy your product takes a hell of a lot of thinking (and $$) on the front end. My question was why we were wagging our tongues trying to do it to the EDP... but you're free to do so. you're also free to insult me with sarcasm included. i'm outta this thread. rich >Oh, I got your sarcasm. I just can't believe that someone educated >in the visual arts would believe that the look of a product has some >influence of how it's perceived by potential users. If you have >paid for a degree in industrial design, graphic design or some other >field in the visual fine arts, I suggest you sue for your money back >plus punitive damages. [ ;^) added as sarcasm indicator ] > >Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 13:48:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08413; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 13:44:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 13:44:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2B502ECC-C254-11D5-9771-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> References: <2B502ECC-C254-11D5-9771-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 13:42:01 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I think one of the reasons I seem a bit curt on this subject is that >I work very hard every day as a visual designer. I wouldn't THINK >of trying to design the guts of a piece of digital electronics, or >write the code that makes it go. So, why does the opposite hold >true? I find this all the time. No insult intended, Mark, but visual design takes a lot less background to get right than hardware or software engineering. It's, er, easier.... Now, I work with and have great respect for many visual; designers and when I want real design done I get a professional and I don't tinker with it myself of course. But I also a lot of my own web design and I constantly get positive comments on it -- because I "design" it to be minimal and spare with just a little ornamentation on it. eg http://fortNY.com a site for a little club, which I did in an hour and change (if I'd had time, I'd have tweaked the colour palette for the blogger...) The issue is simple. If I know exactly what I want with a piece of graphic design, it's a matter of work for me to get it -- work I can certainly achieve. Now, I've been a professional programmer for over 20 years and even if I knew EXACTLY what I wanted, I couldn't implement an EDP, Boomerang or a Repeater in a guaranteed flawless fashion. I'd do all sorts of background work, write a lot of tests and commentary and documentation, and it would almost certainly work well, eventually, but in the back of my mind, until it was finished, I'd never be quite sure that it was all going to work (this is why I worry the details around constantly until I'm sure I have it right). And usually there's a team involved, even more complexity and risk. So it's a forgivable sin for the builders of an object like one of these lovely loopers to downplay the role of the graphic design because it doesn't require the immense outlays of work and study that creating the unit does. Forgivable, but sad, because it means that some of the value of the builder's dedicated hard work and brilliance is not realized, because foolish people see it and don't notice it and smart people see it and wonder if the poor decision to have inferior design is a signal of other poor decisions within the company. /t http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 14:07:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10405; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:04:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:04:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:02:56 -0400 To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" From: Tom Ritchford Subject: NYC loop fest? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am aware that the ball is in my court on this one but am unsure as to how to proceed. I have some spare time now and would like to clean up some loose ends... Let's summarize where we are. A New York loop concert was suggested and there was enthusiasm. Many people wanted to participate and David Torn, henceforth dt, and me offered to organize the event, dt informally doing booking and me doing the grunt work. I wrote up a loose but fairly complete plan for this, and it seemed as if dt was going to score one or two nights in the main room of the Knitting Factory -- but time went by and it didn't gel. dt was hinting he might not be able to play... Then the cataclysm. Everything stopped. We're still crying. Anthrax in the mail. dt dropped the list. How shall we proceed? I go out a lot -- club attendance is still sparse except for a few "popular" things which are packed. I imagine we wouldn't be those. But if we start to book now, we'd be prepared for later. And, if we book, how shall I approach it? Shall I try to re-enlist dt? Should I approach the Knitting Factory myself? Or somewhere else? Or should we rent a space and do it ourselves? Or perhaps we want to do something different and simpler? /t http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 14:11:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10502; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:05:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:05:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 11:55:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Gilmore To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: DJ+Echoplex MP3 examples? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi, i'm new to the list, so i hope this question isn't totally offbase... can anyone point me to some mp3's of someone using the Echoplex to layer loops in realtime live performance? preferably a DJ, but any kind of instrumental use of the Echoplex would be cool. i'm curious to hear just what the potential really is... -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gilmore | /T SPIGOT Network Admin/DJ | http://www.tspigot.net gilmore@tspigot.net | revolution starts with one act of defiance From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 14:16:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10977; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:15:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:15:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <8AD9C333-C24E-11D5-9771-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:09:55 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4feo4D.A.3qC.HkHz7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Well, you have a point. But how much flashy design can you put into >a 1U rack space unit that's going to garner more sales from the >target market that buys from the gut reaction of "oooh, that LOOKS >cool"? black goes with everything. what's wrong with black and silver if you can't think of anything else? I'm looking at all my gear -- most of it is black and silver. The one really colored item is my great divide 2x4 splitter which is pretty pink purple white. I hate to be cruel but the EDP looks like someone's home workshop project because of the choice of color (blancmange??) and lettering. Another $2 per unit and $2000 in design would have gone a LONG way there. You could do a creditable job for half of that. /t http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 14:22:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10984; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:15:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:15:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011016141031.02900e10@pop1.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:14:35 -0400 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett L Maraldo Subject: Re: DJ+Echoplex MP3 examples? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there. Well, you can check out Software at http://www.mp3.com/softwarehere . this is paul asselin and myself totally live, improvised using sequencing, guitars and a jamman synced to the sequencer. paul will play 'zen' while i build up a 'song' in headphones. then i will fade the tracks in and we'll jam. during the jam i will capture his guitar playing into the jamman and continue to layer them. then the 'piece' will be taken down and paul will go back into 'zen' as s seque to the next 'piece'. what you will hear on the mp3.com site are recordings direct to dat with no post-production except for fade-ins and outs. the track 'the euphoric one' is not a loop piece but rather an old tune we did in 1983. it's the technojazz pieces that would interest you. plexus At 02:55 PM 10/16/2001, Gilmore wrote: >hi, > >i'm new to the list, so i hope this question isn't totally offbase... > >can anyone point me to some mp3's of someone using the Echoplex to layer >loops in realtime live performance? preferably a DJ, but any kind of >instrumental use of the Echoplex would be cool. i'm curious to hear just >what the potential really is... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 14:31:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11656; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:30:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:30:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011016112235.01ed3fa8@mail.mindspring.com> X-Files: The truth is out there. Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 11:26:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? In-Reply-To: References: <8AD9C333-C24E-11D5-9771-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <9Bom6D.A.s1C.xyHz7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You bought it even though you think it's ugly (or at least unprofessional looking)?!? At 02:09 PM 2001/10/16 -0400, Tom wrote: >I hate to be cruel but the EDP looks like someone's home workshop >project because of the choice of color (blancmange??) and lettering. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 14:38:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11995; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:37:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:37:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20011016112235.01ed3fa8@mail.mindspring.com> References: <8AD9C333-C24E-11D5-9771-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20011016112235.01ed3fa8@mail.mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:36:03 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >You bought it even though you think it's ugly (or at least >unprofessional looking)?!? > > >At 02:09 PM 2001/10/16 -0400, Tom wrote: >>I hate to be cruel but the EDP looks like someone's home workshop >>project because of the choice of color (blancmange??) and lettering. I didn't buy it! (not because of the case design, at least I hope not!) /t http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 14:43:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12336; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:43:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:43:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011016113704.01ed4fd0@mail.mindspring.com> X-Files: The truth is out there. Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 11:39:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011016112235.01ed3fa8@mail.mindspring.com> <8AD9C333-C24E-11D5-9771-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20011016112235.01ed3fa8@mail.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ack! For some reason I thought you were an EDP user. PS. the Uptown Technologies' metallic purple IS pretty cool (and looks good with all the other black-faced devices). At 02:36 PM 2001/10/16 -0400, Tom wrote: >>You bought it even though you think it's ugly (or at least unprofessional >>looking)?!? > >I didn't buy it! (not because of the case design, at least I hope not!) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 14:43:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12338; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:43:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:43:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003101c1568b$99cbd5c0$9bded63f@oemcomputer> From: "Rich Kroll" To: References: <01af01c152b3$b04acbc0$d0cad63f@oemcomputer> <015201c1535a$c97f26c0$e2ced63f@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Boomerang + phrase sampler NEW $375.00 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:43:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002E_01C15650.EC4FA6E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rich Kroll" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <2oYrlD.A.PAD.L-Hz7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C15650.EC4FA6E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rich Kroll=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 1:16 PM Subject: Re: Boomerang + phrase sampler NEW $375.00 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rich Kroll=20 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 5:20 PM Subject: Boomerang + phrase sampler NEW $375.00 Brand New boomerang + phrase sampler 4 meg version. dealer full waranty, Manual power supply. 15.00 shipping pay pal accepted. =20 Best looper available easy to use. 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------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C15650.EC4FA6E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 14:46:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12197; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:40:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:40:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011016105714.02602a50@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 11:37:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? In-Reply-To: <3BCB86C0.75AA4828@zerocrossing.net> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011015154813.01ecefb0@mail.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <4PHd6C.A.D-C.k7Hz7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hypothetical scenario: ok, so we take our tiny budget and devote a significant portion of it to pay for industrial designers, graphic artists, NRE on custom molded plastics, extrusions, fancy sales literature, etc. Sadly, we now don't have enough money after that to pay for another software engineer and software QA person that we desperately need. We've already announced a shipping date and our nifty looking hardware is all done and ready to go, but our woefully understaffed software team is struggling big time. The project ends up being delayed an entire year while they try to finish coding and debugging. Meanwhile, some crank on the internet is harassing us regularly for being incompetent and unable to deliver according to our schedules. We run out of cash, and have to take desperate measures to keep ourselves afloat long enough in order to get our product out. We hold out as long as we can and finally ship anyway even though we know it is not really done. Same internet crank now berates us for shipping buggy products. And to top it all off, same crank still doesn't like the visual design of the product after we spend so much on it, and even complains about that! Apparently you can't win. hmm, wait that sounds kinda familiar.... yet another fiscal reality check: these are small companies doing this. Tiny companies really. Or maybe tiny divisions of small companies. Usually just 3 or 4 underpaid people tops, without sufficient budget. There is not a lot of capital available. There is not a large market available. There will not be a large return for your investment. You have to manage these issues to make money. In fact, you will be lucky not to lose money. You make choices. In Mike Patton's best nasal sneer: "You want it all, but you can't have it." hopefully you enjoy doing it, because you won't be getting rich in this business. No matter what choices you make, some people won't like it and they will harass you with surprising passion. A small number of them will even devote significant energy to trying to disrupt whatever paltry sales you might have made. Do they even understand that there are only two or three people behind the curtain, and how much damage they cause? probably not. But at least there are others that come by and seem to like what you did, and make it seem worthwhile. kim At 06:00 PM 10/15/2001, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >Now frankly, the look of the EDP says to me, "Small company, maybe not >going to be around very long. Ran out of cash and didn't do any >industrial or graphic design." I know this isn't true, but when this is >at your local music shop in a rack of other gear screaming for my >attention, unless I'm looking for it, it may be easy to pass by. Now, >if it looked interesting, a young pre looper might ask the salesman, >"Hey, what does that thing do?" (if it's designed correctly, the look >would elude to it's function as well) A quick demo, and they're running >visa cards. They all live happily ever after. Next year a stereo >version comes out. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 14:58:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13264; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:57:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:57:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074242@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Looper development and production costs? Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:54:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C15673.F0B42490" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C15673.F0B42490 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" from a different side of the "how it looks" debate. i have a bunch of basses which i bought because they played amazingly well and sounded incredible - - i have always found they way they look uncomfortable. i have lost work because of how they look (don't look "rock and roll" enough), i don't care. i have a bunch of pedals that are too big and ugly, i use them and, try as i might, cannot come up with a satisfactory reason to sell them as they sound great and do a lot of amazing stuff. oh and it all costs too much because the companies who make all of this stuff are microscopic. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C15673.F0B42490 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Looper development and production costs?

from a different side of the "how it looks" = debate.

i have a bunch of basses which i bought because they = played amazingly well and sounded incredible - - i have always found = they way they look uncomfortable. i have lost work because of how they = look (don't look "rock and roll" enough), i don't care. =

i have a bunch of pedals that are too big and ugly, i = use them and, try as i might, cannot come up with a satisfactory reason = to sell them as they sound great and do a lot of amazing stuff. =

oh and it all costs too much because the companies = who make all of this stuff are microscopic.


stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C15673.F0B42490-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 15:34:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15849; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 15:33:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 15:33:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011016121249.0260b600@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:30:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? In-Reply-To: References: <8AD9C333-C24E-11D5-9771-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:09 AM 10/16/2001, Tom Ritchford wrote: >>Well, you have a point. But how much flashy design can you put into a 1U >>rack space unit that's going to garner more sales from the target market >>that buys from the gut reaction of "oooh, that LOOKS cool"? > >black goes with everything. what's wrong with black and silver if you >can't think of anything else? black is for losers. it's so late 20th century. black blends into the background and nobody notices it, because everything else is black. dull dull dull. This site is for you: http://www.amigothornot.com >I'm looking at all my gear -- most of it is black and silver. exactly. >The one really colored item is my great divide 2x4 splitter >which is pretty pink purple white. I bet that's the first thing people notice in your gear, right? because it is NotBlack. >I hate to be cruel but the EDP looks like someone's home workshop >project because of the choice of color (blancmange??) and lettering. the color is classic Oberheim Cream. Chosen to maintain a consistent look over the whole product line and maintain tradition with past Oberheim products. That isn't the sort of decision hobbyist make, mostly hobbyists use black. In fact the decision not to use black was intentional, exactly for the marketing purpose of making the echoplex stand out against a sea of black stuff. A cheap way to draw attention. The type for the lettering is ITC Eras. I spent quite some time to pick that one, and liked it because it was a reasonably different sans-serif font that gave an interesting look, while still being very readable. I then went to quite a bit of effort to get the typesetting done well. Believe it or not, while I didn't study typesetting, I spent quite some time working at a printing company in the typesetting department. I learned quite a bit about typesetting there from real typesetters. But then, I'm not a trained "expert" like some of you. So please, could you explain to me what all these horrible mistakes I made are? Granted, all of the people making all these criticisms don't even own Echoplexes and probably have never looked at one up close, but I'm sure you wouldn't make such a criticism if you couldn't back it up with specifics. >Another $2 per unit and $2000 in design would have gone a LONG way there. >You could do a creditable job for half of that. We spent far more than that on industrial designers and graphic artists for some other projects at that time. Guess what? they didn't come out looking all that much better. In a 1U rack it is real hard to do anything interesting while still fitting in all the controls. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 15:37:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16044; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 15:36:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 15:36:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BCC8BF9.1BC71E17@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:35:22 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? References: <8AD9C333-C24E-11D5-9771-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com EXACTALLY. I'm not even sure how it would cost an aditional $2 per unit. Just cost of the design and new silk screen. Mark Tom Ritchford wrote: > >Well, you have a point. But how much flashy design can you put into > >a 1U rack space unit that's going to garner more sales from the > >target market that buys from the gut reaction of "oooh, that LOOKS > >cool"? > > black goes with everything. what's wrong with black and silver if you > can't think of anything else? > > I'm looking at all my gear -- most of it is black and silver. > > The one really colored item is my great divide 2x4 splitter > which is pretty pink purple white. > > I hate to be cruel but the EDP looks like someone's home workshop > project because of the choice of color (blancmange??) and lettering. > > Another $2 per unit and $2000 in design would have gone a LONG way there. > You could do a creditable job for half of that. > > /t > > http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. > http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. > http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 15:39:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15850; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 15:33:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 15:33:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c15678$da5a4da0$71b01597@z3v3u4> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011015154813.01ecefb0@mail.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20011016105714.02602a50@loopers-delight.com> Subject: R: Looper development and production costs? Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 21:29:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey man, not to start a war here, but I think that we just didn't know that Oberheim before and now GIBSON (one of the biggest companies in musical instrument making, a design team just to create new faux abalone inlays on guitar headstocks) couldn't afford just to think about using some different fonts and some other colours for a pro machine like the echoplex. Not to talk about the fact that Gibson acquired the company with all the projects done (no Research and Development expenses here). And, namely, the white colour all Oberheim instruments of the past few years are coloured Sucks. It is not only the echoplex, but even the oberheim/viscount keyboards and multifx processors. Same colours, same fonts... Is the echoplex a great machine? YES!!! Do I love it? YES!!! Damned, I ordered it from the US years ago (and in Italy it is difficult to get one even now), just to have the pleasure to use it! Is it ugly in the colour and graphics? YES!!! I don't think anybody in here has suggested to change the layout of the pots and buttons and screen (except the Matthias Grob comment about the positioning of the leds under the buttons), all I heard about was about a change in colour and graphics. And GIBSON DOESN'T have a TINY BUDGET, with the price of one or two of their 'limited edition' or 'vintage reissue' guitars or basses they could pay all the graphics designers they want. Peace Luigi Kim wrote: > hypothetical scenario: > > ok, so we take our tiny budget and devote a significant portion of it to > pay for industrial designers, graphic artists, NRE on custom molded > plastics, extrusions, fancy sales literature, etc. > > Sadly, we now don't have enough money after that to pay for another > software engineer and software QA person that we desperately need. We've > already announced a shipping date and our nifty looking hardware is all > done and ready to go, but our woefully understaffed software team is > struggling big time. > > The project ends up being delayed an entire year while they try to finish > coding and debugging. Meanwhile, some crank on the internet is harassing us > regularly for being incompetent and unable to deliver according to our > schedules. > > We run out of cash, and have to take desperate measures to keep ourselves > afloat long enough in order to get our product out. We hold out as long as > we can and finally ship anyway even though we know it is not really done. > Same internet crank now berates us for shipping buggy products. > > And to top it all off, same crank still doesn't like the visual design of > the product after we spend so much on it, and even complains about that! > Apparently you can't win. > > hmm, wait that sounds kinda familiar.... > > > yet another fiscal reality check: these are small companies doing this. > Tiny companies really. Or maybe tiny divisions of small companies. Usually > just 3 or 4 underpaid people tops, without sufficient budget. There is not > a lot of capital available. There is not a large market available. There > will not be a large return for your investment. You have to manage these > issues to make money. In fact, you will be lucky not to lose money. You > make choices. > > In Mike Patton's best nasal sneer: > > "You want it all, but you can't have it." > > hopefully you enjoy doing it, because you won't be getting rich in this > business. No matter what choices you make, some people won't like it and > they will harass you with surprising passion. A small number of them will > even devote significant energy to trying to disrupt whatever paltry sales > you might have made. Do they even understand that there are only two or > three people behind the curtain, and how much damage they cause? probably > not. But at least there are others that come by and seem to like what you > did, and make it seem worthwhile. > > kim > > At 06:00 PM 10/15/2001, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > >Now frankly, the look of the EDP says to me, "Small company, maybe not > >going to be around very long. Ran out of cash and didn't do any > >industrial or graphic design." I know this isn't true, but when this is > >at your local music shop in a rack of other gear screaming for my > >attention, unless I'm looking for it, it may be easy to pass by. Now, > >if it looked interesting, a young pre looper might ask the salesman, > >"Hey, what does that thing do?" (if it's designed correctly, the look > >would elude to it's function as well) A quick demo, and they're running > >visa cards. They all live happily ever after. Next year a stereo > >version comes out. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 16:08:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16904; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 15:56:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 15:56:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011016105714.02602a50@loopers-delight.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011015154813.01ecefb0@mail.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20011016105714.02602a50@loopers-delight.com> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 15:54:51 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >ok, so we take our tiny budget and devote a significant portion of >it to pay for industrial designers, graphic artists, NRE on custom >molded plastics, extrusions, fancy sales literature, etc. DON'T do that. this Great Divide here is a perfect example. there's a single stencil on it, three color, dark pink, dark purple and white. the lettering is oversized in pink on the purple and the controls are white. really simple. >Sadly, we now don't have enough money after that to pay for another >software engineer and software QA person that we desperately need. You have a dramatically exaggerated idea what the cost of design is, particularly once amortized out over a lot of cases. I'm sure you could get a designer to do a really nice front panel design in perhaps 50 hours of work at $100 an hour. That's a really good designer and a lot of time and that's only $5000. That might get you one MONTH of a decent software engineer and no QA person at all. The EDP had to have SOME sort of front panel design made up and something was printed on it. That had to cost you something. To go from this printing to something nice would have been $2 per unit. To go to something really really nice would be $5 per unit. No, less. >yet another fiscal reality check: these are small companies doing >this. Tiny companies really. Or maybe tiny divisions of small >companies. Usually just 3 or 4 underpaid people tops, without >sufficient budget. There is not a lot of capital available. There is >not a large market available. There will not be a large return for >your investment. You have to manage these issues to make money. In >fact, you will be lucky not to lose money. You make choices. but it's an inferior choice to drop graphic design entirely, particularly since you can get something really quite nice really quite cheaply. Consider how many "sales features" the EDP has. in other words, you are in a music store and a knowledgeable salesman is trying to sell you on the item. how many features do you discuss? ten? ten is a lot. my Kurzweil sampler/synthesizer with a full signal processing board in it has about 12 *major* features -- there is a ton of detail within some of those sales features. let's say a dozen. that's a lot. If two programmers and two engineers worked on the unit for two years and cost $60,000 each a year (including FICA, benefits and all -- this is below market rates) then the whole thing cost 2*2*2*$60,000 or $480,000 which means that each of these dozen features cost $40,000 to make. This is a dramatic underestimate in fact. A major feature like "multiple loops" could take man years alone, hundreds of thousands of dollars. RESULT: each sales feature costs at least $40,000 and probably a heck of a lot more. But, and I hate to say this, *** design is at least as important to sales as almost any given individual sales feature *** By that reasoning, you should be willing to spend at least $40K extra on design! Surely an extra $10K or less should be completely acceptable? Now. You EDP folks, if you'd just "accept the note" and admit that a few grand in design would add hundreds of units to your sales, you have a major opportunity on your hands! Why not take the opportunity NOW that you are coming out with a new revision of the machine to call it "EDP 2"?! You can put a new coat of paint on the face, call it version II, and everyone will look at it again, even people who knew about it before. It'd boost flagging sales, it'd encourage people who already had one to get another, it'd boost people who are turned on to looping by the Repeater to look at a very different alternative. black and silver and white, that simple sort of thing, real typesetting, and it'll be done in a flash. /t http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 16:33:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19437; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 16:31:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 16:31:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [199.179.169.175] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WOT - Leo Cavallo's Stuttering Stravinsky ACID Error Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 15:30:27 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Oct 2001 20:30:27.0277 (UTC) FILETIME=[641237D0:01C15681] Resent-Message-ID: <-XO4OB.A.bvE.FkJz7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am using the Remixed versions in my weekly mix, for WKKC 89.3 FM, here in Chicago. I am a part of the HEAVY HITTERS Hip Hop Show, and Friday Night Audio. The mixes can be heard at 8:30 pm Friday and Sunday night, and Friday at 10:00 pm. Sadly, I never purchased ACID 2.0. I only purchased ACID 1.0 ( back in the stone age, and ACID 3.0 Pro.) Why did I skip 2.0 ? I did get a free copy of ACID Music 2.0, and that was fine, but it was not until the upgrade to 3.0, that I wished to shell out the BIG Bucks for the app (well, I got it for $99.00). But the track sounds great, even in ACID 3.0 ! so, I am not gonna sweat it. Sadly, I do not have a MP3 CD out yet... maybe by this Christmas. I am learning Reason, no so I want to incorporate some of that stuff in my remixes. Got any more of those ACID projects laying around ? Lucien E. Darthard A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It. http://ldarthard.ohgo.com/ ----Original Message Follows---- From: leocavallo Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WOT - Leo Cavallo's Stuttering Stravinsky ACID Error Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 17:33:37 +0200 hi Mr. Darthard ;) that little song was created as a demo track in Acid Pro 2.0. Sadly the 3.0 release of the software doesn't allow more than +/- 24 semitones of pitch shifting on the samples.... indeed the special effects you're missing were created using extreme pitch settings (up to +/- 99 semitones). Try to open the track with Acid 2.0. It should work flawlessly. ciao leo PS I'd like to hear your remix versions... any mp3/CD available? At 09.40 16/10/01 -0500, you wrote: >Well Kudos to Mr. Cavallo for creating a wonderful piece. I have "remixed" >this to a Hip Hop Flavor, a House Flavor, and R&B, and they love it on the >dance floor. I just have one question, when I initialize the acd-zip (Acid >Zipped File), I get this warning/error, below. > >"ACID 3 can only allow event pitch shifts of -24 to +24 semitones. One or >more of the event pitch shifts in this project had to be reduced to fall >inside this range" > >Now, Mr.. Cavallo, how can I get around this ? You obviously did this in >ACID, and I am sure you did not get this error, what can I do to correct >this? The error is not fatal, it renders the file, but I am sure I am >missing some of the nuances of the piece..... > > > >Lucien E. Darthard >A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It. >http://ldarthard.ohgo.com/ > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp www.groundloops.com c o o l . s o u n d s & s a m p l e . c d s f r e e . s a m p l e s . a r c h i v e _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 16:37:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19386; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 16:30:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 16:30:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011016132252.0267d3b0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 13:27:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? In-Reply-To: <3BCC8BF9.1BC71E17@zerocrossing.net> References: <8AD9C333-C24E-11D5-9771-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <1vPpW.A.OuE.0iJz7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:35 PM 10/16/2001, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >EXACTALLY. I'm not even sure how it would cost an aditional $2 per unit. >Just cost of the design and new silk screen. ok, Mark. despite whatever it may seem, I totally agree with you that looks are important. So how about if you show us how it should be done? Do a quick rendering of a new echoplex faceplate design, and put it up for us to see. I would really like to know how a pro would do it better than my amateur job. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 16:40:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19916; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 16:39:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 16:39:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 13:37:51 -0800 Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011016121249.0260b600@loopers-delight.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4u_b1C.A.w2E.HrJz7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm gonna tell watchoo said kim... on 10/16/01 11:30 AM, Kim Flint at kflint@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > black is for losers. it's so late 20th century. black blends into the > background and nobody notices it, because everything else is black. dull > dull dull. This site is for you: http://www.amigothornot.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 17:27:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22384; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 17:15:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 17:15:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:10:49 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: OT: RE: Buying equipment based on looks In-reply-to: <0FE98FA04927D411A48300D0B77CF9BB05958260@tiger.middlebury.edu> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <0FE98FA04927D411A48300D0B77CF9BB05958260@tiger.middlebury.edu> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have to admit that at one point I became seriously obsessed with the Waldorf Microwave because of its deep indigo panel and bright red knob. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 17:34:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22576; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 17:20:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 17:20:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011016171525.007ea6e0@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 17:15:25 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: OT: RE: Buying equipment based on looks In-Reply-To: <0FE98FA04927D411A48300D0B77CF9BB05958260@tiger.middlebury. edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gaaaaacckkk.... You could hurt 'cherself on those sharp points! And it weighs about 80 lbs! -t At 09:43 AM 10/16/01 -0400, you wrote: >> I am seriously considering buying a guitar, merely because it >> is made of >> dayglo green translucent plexiglass. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 17:54:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23410; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 17:43:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 17:43:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BCCA99A.8C108DEF@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:41:46 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? References: <8AD9C333-C24E-11D5-9771-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4hFZ6C.A.9sF.imKz7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK. Sure. Don't come to me when Gibson decides (again) that the EDP isn't worth manufacturing. My guess is not only will there not be an EDP 2, but within a year, there probably won't be an EDP at all. The reason I don't own one is because it didn't exist when I was in the market for one, and when it did, there was a better alternative. Because Electrix is aiming at a broader audience, they'll win. If you don't think it's a numbers game, you're asleep. I'm suggesting (and offering my services for free, BTW) a logo redesign because I don't want to see the EDP go away, even though I'm glad I went to the Repeater. There will be a big change soon, and Trace-Elliot should be worried. I can say no more. There are more DJs than there are looping musicians, and Electrix is hitting both bases. If what Kim says about EDP sales is true, there aren't many EDP sales in a year. Barely enough to make it worth making, if I'm reading him correctly. If Electrix takes a chunk of their sales (as they did with me) this conversation will be moot. Mark Sottilaro rich wrote: > Well, you have a point. But how much flashy design can you put into > a 1U rack space unit that's going to garner more sales from the > target market that buys from the gut reaction of "oooh, that LOOKS > cool"? > > My opinion is that HIGH END gear is aimed at a different target > market that concentrates on playability and interfaces, and spending > a bunch of hot air on how someone really SHOULD redesign their > product look seems a bit silly when the product has a 10 year history > already, and it's an expensive, complex tool that is going to be > beyond the price ceiling/capacity of the aforementioned 'buy it > because it's cool' target market. We're not talking $200 plexiglass > BC Rich guitars here, or POD imitations, or stomp boxes. These are > the kind of shit that people buy on impulse, as an effect of > advertising or endorsment, or for a specific price point. Often > these are the same things being sold in the classifieds several > months after their release, because someone doesn't think it's cool > anymore and has to move on to the next widget. > > The look and feel of a product has SO much to do with eventual sales. > I'm not an idiot. But finding out exactly HOW a product feels, and > WHY a specified target market wants to buy your product takes a hell > of a lot of thinking (and $$) on the front end. My question was why > we were wagging our tongues trying to do it to the EDP... > > but you're free to do so. you're also free to insult me with sarcasm included. > > i'm outta this thread. > > rich > > >Oh, I got your sarcasm. I just can't believe that someone educated > >in the visual arts would believe that the look of a product has some > >influence of how it's perceived by potential users. If you have > >paid for a degree in industrial design, graphic design or some other > >field in the visual fine arts, I suggest you sue for your money back > >plus punitive damages. [ ;^) added as sarcasm indicator ] > > > >Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 17:56:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23707; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 17:53:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 17:53:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: RE: Buying equipment based on looks Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 23:52:20 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been reading this thread with the greatest interest. There may not be many that actually buy equipment based on looks, but we definitely get interested by cool looking units. But what is "cool"? Maybe I've got strange taste but to me the EDP looks really "cool". I guess mainly because the design is somehow "un-cool". I mean, it really can't be sorted into any certain decade - it's simply timeless. Ok, it could be something from the early eighties just because the logo text says "Digital Pro", as if some "magic words", more important to drop than other words describing what the unit actually does. Typical 80s that is ;D But anyway, my point is that fashion in gear design changes all the time. I'd vote for keeping the "cool ugliness" that makes it stand out in a rack! And if you don't think it stands out in a rack, I can guarantee that you will one year from now, or two,.. or three.... ;)) Regards Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 18:00:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23569; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 17:49:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 17:49:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008001c1568c$d372a280$0200a8c0@erdem> Reply-To: "erdem helvacioglu" From: "erdem helvacioglu" To: Subject: New production Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 00:52:14 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007D_01C156A5.F66CC2C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C156A5.F66CC2C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear loopers, =20 I have uploaded a new song "Cileden huzura" to my web site at = http://erdemhelvacioglu.iuma.com. This time I combined turkish = instruments and electronic sounds in a more "commercial electroacoustic = production". The main synth is virus b and the main sampler is = ESI-4000.There are also tons of different plugins. =20 Hope you enjoy it. You can send your comments directly to = erdemhel@turk.net =20 Thanks a lot and enjoy. =20 Erdem Helvacioglu erdemhel@turk.net ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C156A5.F66CC2C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear = loopers,
 
I have uploaded a new = song=20 "Cileden huzura" to my web site at http://erdemhelvacioglu.iuma.co= m.=20 This time I combined turkish instruments and electronic sounds in a more = "commercial electroacoustic production". The main synth is = virus b and=20 the main sampler is ESI-4000.There are also tons of different=20 plugins.
 
Hope you enjoy it. You = can send your=20 comments directly to erdemhel@turk.net
 
Thanks a lot and = enjoy.
 
Erdem = Helvacioglu
erdemhel@turk.net
------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C156A5.F66CC2C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 18:02:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25418; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 18:00:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 18:00:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011016145633.049e1258@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:58:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011016121249.0260b600@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <7ltts.A.-MG.x3Kz7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would consider it an honor to have Johnny Cash kick my ass. If he were on amigothornot, I would vote him a 10. kim At 02:37 PM 10/16/2001, Stan Card wrote: >i'm gonna tell watchoo said kim... > >on 10/16/01 11:30 AM, Kim Flint at kflint@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > > > > black is for losers. it's so late 20th century. black blends into the > > background and nobody notices it, because everything else is black. dull > > dull dull. This site is for you: http://www.amigothornot.com ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 18:19:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25943; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 18:12:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 18:12:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BCCB0CB.8E5471F5@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 15:12:28 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? References: <2B502ECC-C254-11D5-9771-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The thing is, we're constantly bombarded with slick media in this culture. We're used to it. People know when it's not there, even if they can't verbalize it. I know what I do isn't rocket science, but I don't think that everyone can do it well, or else we wouldn't be having this conversation. Frankly, that site http://fortNY.com isn't very good. It's an image with some centered text. I wouldn't call it horrible, but it's amature, for sure. It looks like an hour job. Sometimes that's all a client can afford, but it doesn't change anything. Makes me think the same of the club. Now, look at http://www.knittingfactory.com/ It's a pro job. I'm not saying it's the best, but one look and I can see that time, care, and money went into it. I then think, "quality." This isn't a problem with people ON THIS LIST. What I'm talking about is EDP recruitment. I'm worried if the Repeater takes enough of it's potential sales, Gibson will give up on it. (again) If anyone doubts me, look at Apple Computers. They're back on the map because they made their hardware worse and made their cases cool. I'd never buy an iMac but sales from it keep Apple going, therefore producing an operating system that's far superior to Windows. Get it? Mark Tom Ritchford wrote: > >I think one of the reasons I seem a bit curt on this subject is that > >I work very hard every day as a visual designer. I wouldn't THINK > >of trying to design the guts of a piece of digital electronics, or > >write the code that makes it go. So, why does the opposite hold > >true? I find this all the time. > > No insult intended, Mark, but visual design takes a lot less > background to get right than hardware or software engineering. > It's, er, easier.... > > Now, I work with and have great respect for many visual; designers > and when I want real design done I get a professional and > I don't tinker with it myself of course. > > But I also a lot of my own web design and I constantly get > positive comments on it -- because I "design" it to be minimal > and spare with just a little ornamentation on it. eg > http://fortNY.com a site for a little club, > which I did in an hour and change > > (if I'd had time, I'd have tweaked the colour palette for > the blogger...) > > The issue is simple. If I know exactly what I want with a piece of > graphic design, it's a matter of work for me to get it -- work I can > certainly achieve. > > Now, I've been a professional programmer for over 20 years and > even if I knew EXACTLY what I wanted, I couldn't implement > an EDP, Boomerang or a Repeater in a guaranteed flawless fashion. > > I'd do all sorts of background work, write a lot of tests > and commentary and documentation, and it would almost certainly > work well, eventually, but in the back of my mind, until it > was finished, I'd never be quite sure that it was all going > to work (this is why I worry the details around constantly > until I'm sure I have it right). > > And usually there's a team involved, even more complexity and risk. > > So it's a forgivable sin for the builders of an object like > one of these lovely loopers to downplay the role of the graphic > design because it doesn't require the immense outlays of > work and study that creating the unit does. > > Forgivable, but sad, because it means that some of the value > of the builder's dedicated hard work and brilliance is not realized, > > because foolish people see it and don't notice it > > and smart people see it and wonder if the poor decision to > have inferior design is a signal of other poor decisions > within the company. > > /t > > http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. > http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. > http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 18:28:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26386; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 18:21:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 18:21:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011016145633.049e1258@loopers-delight.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011016121249.0260b600@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20011016145633.049e1258@loopers-delight.com> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 15:18:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I would consider it an honor to have Johnny Cash kick my ass. If he >were on amigothornot, I would vote him a 10. > >kim i'm next in line, kim! but look out, once johnny sees that you're wearing the lame two-sided looper's delight shirt, he's gonna really beat on you. actually, on a very OT note, and not to be morbid, but i don't think mr. cash is gonna be with us for a whole lot longer. he's got some neurological degeneration going on, and the last TV interview i saw with him...he didn't look good at all. too bad. i would recommend his recent autobiography, Cash. It's a fascinating read and he remains a wonderful storyteller. Chock full of cool stories and a constant thread of the joy of making music runs throughout. rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 18:29:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26181; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 18:19:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 18:19:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 16:09:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Gilmore To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you guys have got to be kidding me. I usually scuff up my gear to make it look MORE ghetto! i like that the Echoplex looks like a specialty product made in someone's garage. in fact i'd prefer that the lettering was hand-written, preferably with knobs that don't match each other. what is it with the "looks"? are you guys all trying to be GQ DJ's like oakenfold or something? be sure to get a skinny pleather tie and some imported shoes to go with your "phat looking gear"...and in the meantime, thank the gods above that someone is willing to make these neat devices for us. regardless of what they look like. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gilmore | /T SPIGOT Network Admin/DJ | http://www.tspigot.net gilmore@tspigot.net | revolution starts with one act of defiance From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 18:30:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26757; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 18:29:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 18:29:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BCCB484.196903CD@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 15:28:21 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011015154813.01ecefb0@mail.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20011016105714.02602a50@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT CUSTOM MOLDED PLASTICS I'M TALKING ABOUT A NEW SILK SCREEN WITH BETTER LOGOTYPE DESIGN Kim Flint wrote: > hypothetical scenario: > > ok, so we take our tiny budget and devote a significant portion of it to > pay for industrial designers, graphic artists, NRE on custom molded > plastics, extrusions, fancy sales literature, etc. > > Sadly, we now don't have enough money after that to pay for another > software engineer and software QA person that we desperately need. We've > already announced a shipping date and our nifty looking hardware is all > done and ready to go, but our woefully understaffed software team is > struggling big time. > > The project ends up being delayed an entire year while they try to finish > coding and debugging. Meanwhile, some crank on the internet is harassing us > regularly for being incompetent and unable to deliver according to our > schedules. > > We run out of cash, and have to take desperate measures to keep ourselves > afloat long enough in order to get our product out. We hold out as long as > we can and finally ship anyway even though we know it is not really done. > Same internet crank now berates us for shipping buggy products. > > And to top it all off, same crank still doesn't like the visual design of > the product after we spend so much on it, and even complains about that! > Apparently you can't win. > > hmm, wait that sounds kinda familiar.... > > yet another fiscal reality check: these are small companies doing this. > Tiny companies really. Or maybe tiny divisions of small companies. Usually > just 3 or 4 underpaid people tops, without sufficient budget. There is not > a lot of capital available. There is not a large market available. There > will not be a large return for your investment. You have to manage these > issues to make money. In fact, you will be lucky not to lose money. You > make choices. > > In Mike Patton's best nasal sneer: > > "You want it all, but you can't have it." > > hopefully you enjoy doing it, because you won't be getting rich in this > business. No matter what choices you make, some people won't like it and > they will harass you with surprising passion. A small number of them will > even devote significant energy to trying to disrupt whatever paltry sales > you might have made. Do they even understand that there are only two or > three people behind the curtain, and how much damage they cause? probably > not. But at least there are others that come by and seem to like what you > did, and make it seem worthwhile. > > kim > > At 06:00 PM 10/15/2001, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > >Now frankly, the look of the EDP says to me, "Small company, maybe not > >going to be around very long. Ran out of cash and didn't do any > >industrial or graphic design." I know this isn't true, but when this is > >at your local music shop in a rack of other gear screaming for my > >attention, unless I'm looking for it, it may be easy to pass by. Now, > >if it looked interesting, a young pre looper might ask the salesman, > >"Hey, what does that thing do?" (if it's designed correctly, the look > >would elude to it's function as well) A quick demo, and they're running > >visa cards. They all live happily ever after. Next year a stereo > >version comes out. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 18:34:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27084; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 18:32:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 18:32:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BCCB560.43371CF2@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 15:32:00 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? References: <8AD9C333-C24E-11D5-9771-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20011016132252.0267d3b0@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd need a template, as I don't own one. I could fake it, but an image of the front would help a lot. Mark Kim Flint wrote: > At 12:35 PM 10/16/2001, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > >EXACTALLY. I'm not even sure how it would cost an aditional $2 per unit. > >Just cost of the design and new silk screen. > > ok, Mark. despite whatever it may seem, I totally agree with you that looks > are important. > > So how about if you show us how it should be done? Do a quick rendering of > a new echoplex faceplate design, and put it up for us to see. I would > really like to know how a pro would do it better than my amateur job. > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 18:36:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26736; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 18:28:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 18:28:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006f01c15691$b5c33380$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: Subject: Re: NYC loop fest? Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 18:27:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Ritchford > How shall we proceed? > > I go out a lot -- club attendance is still sparse except for > a few "popular" things which are packed. I imagine we wouldn't > be those. > > But if we start to book now, we'd be prepared for later. > > And, if we book, how shall I approach it? Shall I try to > re-enlist dt? Should I approach the Knitting Factory myself? > Or somewhere else? Or should we rent a space and do it ourselves? How about a weekly or monthly series in the Old Office or Soundstage (you know, the old Alterknit)? Maybe Galapagos will be interested? > Or perhaps we want to do something different and simpler? Like...? A day at the Williamsburg Arts Center? I think that's what it's called. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 18:42:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27586; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 18:40:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 18:40:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 15:39:44 -0800 Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeah i'd been hoping that by now they would have come up w/ a better color scheme for those damn guitar strings(why do they use that plain metal color?)-and if they dont soon i'm gonna stop buyin 'em!! (i concur w/ gilmore!) s on 10/16/01 3:09 PM, Gilmore at gilmore@skyline.corpse.net wrote: > you guys have got to be kidding me. I usually scuff up my gear to make it > look MORE ghetto! i like that the Echoplex looks like a specialty product > made in someone's garage. in fact i'd prefer that the lettering was > hand-written, preferably with knobs that don't match each other. > > what is it with the "looks"? are you guys all trying to be GQ DJ's like > oakenfold or something? be sure to get a skinny pleather tie and some > imported shoes to go with your "phat looking gear"...and in the meantime, > thank the gods above that someone is willing to make these neat devices > for us. regardless of what they look like. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Gilmore | /T SPIGOT > Network Admin/DJ | http://www.tspigot.net > gilmore@tspigot.net | revolution starts with one act of defiance > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 20:04:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31708; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 19:58:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 19:58:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@fixme User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 16:55:19 -0700 Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >It'd boost flagging sales, it'd encourage people who >already had one to get another, it'd boost people who >are turned on to looping by the Repeater to look >at a very different alternative. ...except that there are no "flagging sales". Remember, Gibson sells all they can make without advertising. They've got a tidy little profit center. My experience is that the EDP lives in a niche--a bunch of people hear about it and decide that it's too complicated and/or expensive for their taste. The Line6 covers most of what they want out of a looping device and costs about a third the price. Plus, it's a pedal, and a lot of people prefer pedals over racks. Other people decide that they'd prefer a full-on sampler, or a software-based system since the extensive real-time features of the EDP aren't needed for what they're doing. In the middle, you've got people who have a specific need for what the EDP uniquely offers, AND are willing to pay for it. Taking a cue from the Focusrite folks in faceplate design isn't going to significantly change the size of that group. Maybe if you were designing the EDP from the ground up it'd make sense to pretty up the faceplate, but at this point we're talking about something that's been around for what--six, seven years? It's not going to happen. It's so rare to get a piece of gear right from a functional standpoint, worrying about this sort of thing seems silly. TH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 21:27:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04284; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 21:20:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 21:20:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BCCDCAB.2EF8992D@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 18:19:40 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is it my imagination, or do a lot of you like the fact that you found a secret little toy, that not many other kids have? Hmmmm? Secret weapon? This all started when EDP owners were asking for new features (stereo, expandable memory), and Kim basically said, "It's not a big money maker the way it is, why would they fund a second version." So I said, one of the ways to make the current model sell better was to update it's look and get some product endorsment. That's all. The Echoplex Digital Pro is a great product, I'm talking about marketing here. Bringing it into the mainstream. I think the public is finally ready. The EDP was ahead of it's time... 10 years ago. I think the time for synchable loopers is upon us. So far, every friend I have that DJs has bought a Repeater after seeing mine. (the beat detect works amazingly well, I've found) I predict a fusion between musicians and DJs in live situations, and it's boxes like the EDP and Repeater that will make that happen. Mark Travis Hartnett wrote: > >It'd boost flagging sales, it'd encourage people who > >already had one to get another, it'd boost people who > >are turned on to looping by the Repeater to look > >at a very different alternative. > > ...except that there are no "flagging sales". Remember, Gibson sells all > they can make without advertising. They've got a tidy little profit center. > > My experience is that the EDP lives in a niche--a bunch of people hear about > it and decide that it's too complicated and/or expensive for their taste. > The Line6 covers most of what they want out of a looping device and costs > about a third the price. Plus, it's a pedal, and a lot of people prefer > pedals over racks. > > Other people decide that they'd prefer a full-on sampler, or a > software-based system since the extensive real-time features of the EDP > aren't needed for what they're doing. > > In the middle, you've got people who have a specific need for what the EDP > uniquely offers, AND are willing to pay for it. Taking a cue from the > Focusrite folks in faceplate design isn't going to significantly change the > size of that group. Maybe if you were designing the EDP from the ground up > it'd make sense to pretty up the faceplate, but at this point we're talking > about something that's been around for what--six, seven years? It's not > going to happen. It's so rare to get a piece of gear right from a > functional standpoint, worrying about this sort of thing seems silly. > > TH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 21:30:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04707; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 21:29:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 21:29:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011016212408.007fa1c0@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 21:24:08 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't laugh; D'Addario colorcodes their double ball-end strings! I thought it was silly at first, but I just tried a set of another non-colorcoded brand, and I sort of missed 'em! -t At 03:39 PM 10/16/01 -0800, you wrote: >yeah i'd been hoping that by now they would have come up w/ a better color >scheme for those damn guitar strings(why do they use that plain metal >color?)-and if they dont soon i'm gonna stop buyin 'em!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 21:33:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04882; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 21:31:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 21:31:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011016175432.04b7c780@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 18:28:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? In-Reply-To: <3BCCB484.196903CD@zerocrossing.net> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011015154813.01ecefb0@mail.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20011016105714.02602a50@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com did you and Tom both intentionally miss my point here, or was I just too subtle? for those who didn't find this really obvious, this little story was what may have happened to electrix over the past year or so. at least from my vantage point. just trying to point out how the choices made can affect the result, when you don't have the option to choose everything and your resources are very limited. If you are designing a complex electronic musical instrument with limited resources, and you can have good visual design OR good engineering, but not both, which do you choose? Or do you try to do both anyway, accepting that quality of both will be low? kim At 03:28 PM 10/16/2001, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT CUSTOM MOLDED PLASTICS I'M TALKING ABOUT A NEW SILK >SCREEN WITH BETTER LOGOTYPE DESIGN > >Kim Flint wrote: > > > hypothetical scenario: > > > > ok, so we take our tiny budget and devote a significant portion of it to > > pay for industrial designers, graphic artists, NRE on custom molded > > plastics, extrusions, fancy sales literature, etc. > > > > Sadly, we now don't have enough money after that to pay for another > > software engineer and software QA person that we desperately need. We've > > already announced a shipping date and our nifty looking hardware is all > > done and ready to go, but our woefully understaffed software team is > > struggling big time. > > > > The project ends up being delayed an entire year while they try to finish > > coding and debugging. Meanwhile, some crank on the internet is harassing us > > regularly for being incompetent and unable to deliver according to our > > schedules. > > > > We run out of cash, and have to take desperate measures to keep ourselves > > afloat long enough in order to get our product out. We hold out as long as > > we can and finally ship anyway even though we know it is not really done. > > Same internet crank now berates us for shipping buggy products. > > > > And to top it all off, same crank still doesn't like the visual design of > > the product after we spend so much on it, and even complains about that! > > Apparently you can't win. > > > > hmm, wait that sounds kinda familiar.... > > > > yet another fiscal reality check: these are small companies doing this. > > Tiny companies really. Or maybe tiny divisions of small companies. Usually > > just 3 or 4 underpaid people tops, without sufficient budget. There is not > > a lot of capital available. There is not a large market available. There > > will not be a large return for your investment. You have to manage these > > issues to make money. In fact, you will be lucky not to lose money. You > > make choices. > > > > In Mike Patton's best nasal sneer: > > > > "You want it all, but you can't have it." > > > > hopefully you enjoy doing it, because you won't be getting rich in this > > business. No matter what choices you make, some people won't like it and > > they will harass you with surprising passion. A small number of them will > > even devote significant energy to trying to disrupt whatever paltry sales > > you might have made. Do they even understand that there are only two or > > three people behind the curtain, and how much damage they cause? probably > > not. But at least there are others that come by and seem to like what you > > did, and make it seem worthwhile. > > > > kim > > > > At 06:00 PM 10/15/2001, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > >Now frankly, the look of the EDP says to me, "Small company, maybe not > > >going to be around very long. Ran out of cash and didn't do any > > >industrial or graphic design." I know this isn't true, but when this is > > >at your local music shop in a rack of other gear screaming for my > > >attention, unless I'm looking for it, it may be easy to pass by. Now, > > >if it looked interesting, a young pre looper might ask the salesman, > > >"Hey, what does that thing do?" (if it's designed correctly, the look > > >would elude to it's function as well) A quick demo, and they're running > > >visa cards. They all live happily ever after. Next year a stereo > > >version comes out. > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 21:53:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05891; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 21:52:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 21:52:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011016154351.04b77708@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 18:49:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? In-Reply-To: <3BCCB560.43371CF2@zerocrossing.net> References: <8AD9C333-C24E-11D5-9771-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20011016132252.0267d3b0@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't have access to it from where I am at the moment, but I can send something later. If you look in the manual there is a print of some portions of the front panel on page 2-i. the two graphics pasted together are basically it: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/Echoplex_Manual.pdf ah, I did find this file, which is just the graphics, but does not show hole cutouts. http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echoplexgraphicsTrace2.pdf I'll send you some more later and we'll see what you come up with. kim At 03:32 PM 10/16/2001, you wrote: >I'd need a template, as I don't own one. I could fake it, but an image of the >front would help a lot. > >Mark > >Kim Flint wrote: > > > At 12:35 PM 10/16/2001, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > >EXACTALLY. I'm not even sure how it would cost an aditional $2 per unit. > > >Just cost of the design and new silk screen. > > > > ok, Mark. despite whatever it may seem, I totally agree with you that looks > > are important. > > > > So how about if you show us how it should be done? Do a quick rendering of > > a new echoplex faceplate design, and put it up for us to see. I would > > really like to know how a pro would do it better than my amateur job. > > > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 22:47:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08869; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 22:39:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 22:39:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <14c.2932f54.28fe48e4@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 22:37:24 EDT Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_14c.2932f54.28fe48e4_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_14c.2932f54.28fe48e4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit well all i know is electrix sent me a nice advert post card with the repeater on it, it came today.....anyone else get one?.....that cost them some bucks that could have been better spent.....boy, i better get an edp now before it becomes totally collectable.....all i really want in a piece of equipment is lots-o-lites.....someone should just make boxes with knobs and lites, forget the rest of the stuff.....here's my problem.....if i fiddle with the knobs, i have to turn my back to the audiance and if i have the boxes towards me the audiance can not see the lites, the true source of "coolness" for all equipment.....how i lusted after a "fretlite" guitar, all those lites on the neck, that would be beyond cool.....i would be the envy of all the guys and a hypnotic attraction to all the gals.....what more could you want.....:)m --part1_14c.2932f54.28fe48e4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit well all i know is electrix sent me a nice advert post card with the repeater on it, it came today.....anyone else get one?.....that cost them some bucks that could have been better spent.....boy, i better get an edp now before it becomes totally collectable.....all i really want in a piece of equipment is lots-o-lites.....someone should just make boxes with knobs and lites, forget the rest of the stuff.....here's my problem.....if i fiddle with the knobs, i have to turn my back to the audiance and if i have the boxes towards me the audiance can not see the lites, the true source of "coolness" for all equipment.....how i lusted after a "fretlite" guitar, all those lites on the neck, that would be beyond cool.....i would be the envy of all the guys and a hypnotic attraction to all the gals.....what more could you want.....:)m --part1_14c.2932f54.28fe48e4_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 16 23:01:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA10772; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 23:00:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 23:00:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011016225456.007ec090@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 22:54:56 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? In-Reply-To: <14c.2932f54.28fe48e4@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:37 PM 10/16/01 EDT, you wrote: >..here's my problem.....if i >fiddle with the knobs, i have to turn my back to the audiance and if i have >the boxes towards me the audiance can not see the lites, the true source of >"coolness" for all equipment... You could wear a suit that's covered in mirrors... -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 00:20:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA14184; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 00:09:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 00:09:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000301c156c0$c4412dc0$55095cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #238 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 00:03:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed with a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #238 October 11, 2001. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Two Dutch Bands in America, Free System Projekt and Wave World. The feature CD at midnight was preempted by a live in-studio concert from Free System Projekt. The vinyl show starter, a new feature of the show leftover from WDIY's Salute to Records, was by Michael Hoenig. This month's Special Focus on Free System Projekt and Wave World was in support of their concert at the Gathering. Thanks go out to the following: Marcel Engels, Ruud Heij, and Frank van der Wel for their brilliant performance; Wave World for trying so hard to find WDIY; Howard Moscovitz for photographing the event; Greg Waltzer for the loan of a rare, old synthesizer; Chef Jeff for catering with such panache; and George Libricz for staffing the phones until the very end. Two Dutch Bands in America http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2001/focus01.html#oct The Gathering http://www.thegatherings.org/34gather.html Bill's Review http://groups.yahoo.com/group/beyond_em/message/15858 PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Michael Hoenig Departure from the Departure from the Northern Northern Wasteland Wasteland (Celestial Harmonies) Tranquillity Aural Sediments Core (Invisible Shadows) Steve Roach Endorphin Dreamtime Core (Timeroom Editions) Frank van der Wel Eruptions Part 7 Eruptions (Quantum) 12:00 am Steve Roach Hyperportal Core (Timeroom Editions) Free System Projekt Track 1 Rehearsal Tracks CDR (unreleased) Free System Projekt Live In-Studio Concert 1:00 am Dweller at the Circular Logic Ouroborous (Hypnos) Threshold DatT After Logic Fails Ouroborous (Hypnos) DatT Ouroborous Part 1 Ouroborous (Hypnos) Telomere Microcosmos Zoetosis (Evenfall) Telomere Idiochrome Zoetosis (Evenfall) Telomere Ancient Uplift Zoetosis (Evenfall) Telomere Evocation Zoetosis (Evenfall) 2:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Two Dutch Bands in America, Wave World and Free System Projekt. The feature CD at midnight will be Dimensions by Wave World on the Quantum label. Next week's vinyl show starter will be by Peter Baumann. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 00:52:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA15882; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 00:50:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 00:50:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011016150108.02693628@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 21:46:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? In-Reply-To: <3BCCA99A.8C108DEF@zerocrossing.net> References: <8AD9C333-C24E-11D5-9771-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:41 PM 10/16/2001, you wrote: >OK. Sure. Don't come to me when Gibson decides (again) that the EDP >isn't worth >manufacturing. actually, Gibson never made such a decision before. Rather the opposite, they've kept the echoplex around even when divisions collapsed around it. They've even very recently devoted substantial effort and money to keeping it going, making improvements to it, and bettering the manufacturing process. That is why they are currently easily available. Gibson has believed in looping for a lot longer than just about any other company that's touched the idea. >My guess is not only will there not be an EDP 2, but within a >year, there probably won't be an EDP at all. It is impossible to know for sure what the future holds, but I don't see that. As Tom pointed out, we are about to release a major new software generation for it, allowing us an opportunity to reintroduce it to the market and get new attention for all of the new functionality. In any case, what Gibson decides to do isn't the same as what Aurisis decides to do. If they don't want to do the EDP anymore, we find some alternative. At the current time though, they seem to be pretty enthusiastic. >The reason I don't own one is >because it didn't exist when I was in the market for one, and when it did, >there >was a better alternative. Because Electrix is aiming at a broader audience, >they'll win. If you don't think it's a numbers game, you're asleep. I'm >suggesting (and offering my services for free, BTW) a logo redesign because I >don't want to see the EDP go away, even though I'm glad I went to the >Repeater. >There will be a big change soon, and Trace-Elliot should be worried. Actually, they had more to be worried about when Electrix was constantly delayed in releasing the Repeater. A lot of people delayed buying decisions until Repeater was out, so they could compare. The longer Repeater was delayed, the longer that lasted. Now that Repeater is out and people have looked at it, I've noticed more people buying echoplexes again. I don't have sales data yet to know for sure, just a guess from comments people have made to me in the past month or so. Decisions go both ways, depending on what people want. People other than Mark seem to find quite a bit of difference between the two. Some find the repeater is what they want, some find the EDP was what they wanted after all. Probably some are buying the RC-20 or the boomerang or dl-4 or Cycloops. The fact that there are quite a bit of differences among all of these gives sales people something to talk about to differentiate and sell their thing. This has resulted in much less worry, not more, because the real situation is clear. >I can say no >more. There are more DJs than there are looping musicians, and Electrix is >hitting both bases. I'm sorry, but I don't see many DJ's talking about the Repeater. Where do you see that? I see a lot more discussion among dj's about the Cycloops, which is a cool new looper well aimed at that market. In fact, I've noticed that after the initial excitement, discussion of the Repeater has died down a lot. Impossible to say if that means less sales. But I would guess there was a sizable group of people built up over a year of waiting, who all bought right at the beginning. After that big wave, sales are going to come from new people coming into the idea, which will be necessarily much slower than the initial rush. Timing for Electrix probably couldn't be worse, given world events and economic situations. But NAMM is coming so probably they can get a boost out of that. >If what Kim says about EDP sales is true, there aren't many >EDP sales in a year. Barely enough to make it worth making, if I'm >reading him >correctly. If Electrix takes a chunk of their sales (as they did with me) >this >conversation will be moot. No, what I'm saying is there are not many Looper sales in a year of any kind. This message comes from all different manufacturers. Lexicon said this after the jamman was a major money-loser for them. Their execs considered looping a joke after that and laughed members of their staff out of the office for suggesting a jamman 2. Line-6 has just said this, when they indicated it wasn't worth it to them to hire one programmer to work on the looper functions of the echo pro. TC says this in regards to their delays. We see this in our own numbers. Etc. It is a tiny market, and you organize your resources accordingly to be successful in it. I think it is a growing market with a lot of potential, but it is still very small. Principles that are true for high-volume consumer goods are not true here. Yet the engineering effort required is very high, as high as it would be for any consumer electronics product. Loopers are very complex devices, much more so than the average effects processor. You have to make smart choices based on what you can really do with the money available and the expected ROI, and a mistake will quickly put you out of business. Just because the market is small does not mean that you cannot do well with it, you just have to operate on a scale related to the actual market, and make rational decisions accordingly. That is the message I am sending. Electrix actually helps the EDP, because they bring more attention to the whole idea of looping just by existing. When there is only one product, people think it is a niche and many stay away. When there is more than one, people see a market with choices, and they get interested just for that. More choices makes it seem bigger, even if it isn't. Significant growth in sales of loopers does not happen by stealing customers back and forth from one manufacturer to the other. That pool of existing loopers is too tiny and not worth fighting over. Bringing new people into the pool is how it grows. Electrix is a new entity doing marketing about looping. If Electrix draws new attention to looping, many of those people will want to make some comparisons before they buy. Some of them will choose to buy something different from the Repeater. No matter what, it is a new customer for looping products, which is ultimately good for everybody. Who knows, maybe that customer will buy a second looper next year, which will be a sale for somebody else. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 00:57:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA15635; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 00:45:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 00:45:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010601c156c6$aeb81ee0$cd61f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200110161846.OAA12679@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: re: New York Loopfest Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 21:46:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dearest Tom and all of the New York loopers: About the potential first New York Looping Festival: Do it!!!! Do it because you love looping. Do it because New York needs the creativity right now more than ever. Do it for the sense of solidarity. Do it whether or not it is wildly successful. Do it because there has never been such an event and you will be making regional musical history. Do it so that you can say you did it. Do it for all the loopers around the world who are dying to do it themselves. You will inspire them. Do it for free, if need be (that's what i have done and it is only recently that we are starting to have some successes-notably the well attended Bass Looping Tour earlier this year). Do it and know that all of the West Coast loopers are pulling for you. Do it!!!! yours in solidarity and in the memory of those who lost their lives, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 01:13:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA17497; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 01:01:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 01:01:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011016215243.02691af0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 21:58:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Buying equipment based on looks In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:52 PM 10/16/2001, Per Boysen wrote: >Maybe I've got strange >taste but to me the EDP looks really "cool". I guess mainly because the >design is somehow "un-cool". I mean, it really can't be sorted into any >certain decade - it's simply timeless. Ok, it could be something from the >early eighties just because the logo text says "Digital Pro", as if some >"magic words", more important to drop than other words describing what the >unit actually does. Typical 80s that is ;D glad somebody properly appreciates that touch. :-) To me the name is all about irreverence towards stupid traditions. I had a lot of fun with it. The fact that we had the audacity to use the name "Echoplex" still makes me smile. I love spearing icons like that. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 01:13:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA17888; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 01:11:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 01:11:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011016215936.049f5ec8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 22:08:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:09 PM 10/16/2001, Gilmore wrote: >you guys have got to be kidding me. I usually scuff up my gear to make it >look MORE ghetto! i like that the Echoplex looks like a specialty product >made in someone's garage. in fact i'd prefer that the lettering was >hand-written, preferably with knobs that don't match each other. you would probably like the early prototype faceplates. We hadn't decided yet what some of the buttons and parameters would be called, so I filled in the spots with words from old video games. So we had functions like HyperSpace, Shields, Torpedoes, etc. Unfortunately the design changed from there, so those don't fit on the real production design. I rescued a bunch of them out of a trash bin when Oberheim was shut down years ago and still have them somewhere in my garage. I'll have to put some pics of them up on LD. funny story, one of those prototypes was stolen out of a hotel room at the Summer NAMM in 1994, a few months before we shipped. Sure enough, shortly after shipping somebody called up Oberheim wondering if they could get a manual. The clever guy answering figured out it was the thief and asked them if they had figured out what the hyperspace button did. -click- :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 01:40:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA19121; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 01:33:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 01:33:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c15668$93ad9a20$197bacca@swoods> From: "Steven" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011016215243.02691af0@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Buying equipment based on looks Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 03:32:41 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Kim I'm finding people on other groups like guitar gear at yahoo who seek advice one today had Tech 21 PSA Sansamp the rack one Marshall 8004 valvestate power amp with Jamman Digitech IPS 33 to newer one was it IPS 33B? I forget and an old Quadraverb and wanted to do looping and upgrade his gear. I told him about the loopers delight and your machine etc Those new guys would really appreciate the tremendous time and effort you and Matthias put into giving what amounts to free ongoing support which to me makes the product more desirable as a prospective purchase. Anything else we buy in Australia its hand over your $$$ and all barring a warranty problem your on your own to fiddle and hope the owners manual is well written and they did a good job when translating if needed and proof reading. I think you get a hard time off many here but its a credit to you your efforts keep going. Imagine asking Lexicon those questions? I dont own an Echoplex D I had the old Maestro Exhoplex's x 3 and the Klempt Echolette valve, and E51 model also the Korg SDD 3000 and I thought it wasnt very nice to see a digital box called an Echoplex it just seemed wrong to lovers of Echoplex sound ( but not the tape nightmare, noise and trying to keep the thing going with no spare parts or service available.) Steven Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 2:58 PM Subject: RE: Buying equipment based on looks > At 02:52 PM 10/16/2001, Per Boysen wrote: > >Maybe I've got strange > >taste but to me the EDP looks really "cool". I guess mainly because the > >design is somehow "un-cool". I mean, it really can't be sorted into any > >certain decade - it's simply timeless. Ok, it could be something from the > >early eighties just because the logo text says "Digital Pro", as if some > >"magic words", more important to drop than other words describing what the > >unit actually does. Typical 80s that is ;D > > glad somebody properly appreciates that touch. :-) To me the name is all > about irreverence towards stupid traditions. I had a lot of fun with it. > The fact that we had the audacity to use the name "Echoplex" still makes me > smile. I love spearing icons like that. > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 02:34:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA22735; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 02:32:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 02:32:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011016222407.0499aea8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 23:19:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: R: Looper development and production costs? In-Reply-To: <000e01c15678$da5a4da0$71b01597@z3v3u4> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011015154813.01ecefb0@mail.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20011016105714.02602a50@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:29 PM 10/16/2001, Luigi Meloni wrote: >Hey man, not to start a war here, but I think that we just didn't know that >Oberheim before and now GIBSON (one of the biggest companies in musical >instrument making, a design team just to create new faux abalone inlays on >guitar headstocks) couldn't afford just to think about using some different >fonts and some other colours for a pro machine like the echoplex. again with the fonts. we did spend a lot of time on the font choice. where most other MI products use AutoCAD font, we spent the effort to use something different. As I noted before, we picked Eras. Why is that bad? Did a corrupted Eras font crash your hard disk when you were a little kid or what? and the color is a classic in the industry. jeez, you guys need to have more respect for tradition. >Not to >talk about the fact that Gibson acquired the company with all the projects >done (no Research and Development expenses here). Really? So what was I was doing all those years I worked in a Gibson R&D lab? I guess I should have spent more time on the fonts! >And, namely, the white >colour all Oberheim instruments of the past few years are coloured Sucks. It >is not only the echoplex, but even the oberheim/viscount keyboards and >multifx processors. Same colours, same fonts... It's even used on classic Oberheim synths from decades ago!! holy crap!!!! >Is the echoplex a great machine? YES!!! >Do I love it? YES!!! You like us!!! >Damned, I ordered it from the US years ago (and in Italy it is difficult to >get one even now), just to have the pleasure to use it! >Is it ugly in the colour and graphics? YES!!! You don't like us!!! >I don't think anybody in here has suggested to change the layout of the pots >and buttons and screen (except the Matthias Grob comment about the >positioning of the leds under the buttons), all I heard about was about a >change in colour and graphics. ah, but they did! except now they have conveniently forgotten. >And GIBSON DOESN'T have a TINY BUDGET, with oh, you work in Gibson's accounting department? perhaps you could remind them that our royalties are almost past due. thanks! >the price of one or two of their 'limited edition' or 'vintage reissue' >guitars or basses they could pay all the graphics designers they want. Or pay to develop more expensive guitars for the custom division that made that money in the first place. Or pay for a few cases of premium Tennessee bourbon and some nice cigars, and maybe a little left over to give a good tip at Hooters. I know, this corporate org thing is real confusing. You see, each division gets to be responsible for their own profits and loss. One division that makes money on something is not going to up and donate it to another division for some crazy new-fangled looper thing. They will put it back into their own product development. I know, it sounds crazy but its true! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 02:35:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA22781; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 02:33:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 02:33:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002401c15658$4ca86660$cbc41ed9@oemcomputer> References: <002401c15658$4ca86660$cbc41ed9@oemcomputer> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 04:32:40 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Behringer Footcontroller Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >According to Behringer support, it can send note off if the "running status" >is switched off in global setup. But i haven't checked to see what other >(undesirable) effect that might have. the only disadvantage is that you spend a few more bytes, which certainly is not a problem for the few commands you send out of a pedal. the advantage is that its safer, since you only send out complete commands. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 6:32 PM >Subject: Re: Behringer Footcontroller > > >> Behringer FCB 1010 midi controller >> >> Doesn't seem to do Note OFF >> so forget it for the EDP if it sends NoteON with volume 0 instead, it works! > > >> Andy Butler >> >> But looks like you can select what the 2 footcontrollers will do from the >> footswiches. >> >> ...and keep an eye out, they say its software upgradable. >>  >> >> -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 02:42:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA23524; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 02:41:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 02:41:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@fixme User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 23:40:21 -0700 Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200110170133.VAA04976@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Is it my imagination, or do a lot of you like the fact that you found a secret >little toy, that not many other kids have? Hmmmm? Secret weapon? This all >started when EDP owners were asking for new features (stereo, expandable >memory), and Kim basically said, "It's not a big money maker the way it is, why >would they fund a second version." So I said, one of the ways to make the >current model sell better was to update it's look and get some product >endorsment. Yes, that is your imagination. I wish ten times as many people bought them, since it'd encourage more frequent software revisions, might drive the price down, and could lead to a new hardware platform. There might also be some interesting music that comes out of too. Changing the looks on a piece of already existing rack gear probably isn't going to have much effect on sales. >That's all. The Echoplex Digital Pro is a great product, I'm >talking about marketing here. Bringing it into the mainstream. I think the >public is finally ready. You're not going to bring a functional tool "into the mainstream" by changing the faceplate. Most musicians don't have a need for an EDP. >So far, every friend I have that DJs has bought a Repeater after seeing mine. >(the beat detect works amazingly well, I've found) I predict a fusion between >musicians and DJs in live situations, and it's boxes like the EDP and Repeater >that will make that happen. I'd say that DJs are musicians. Fusion between DJs and other musicians in a live context has been going on for years. And the functional differences between the EDP and the Repeater are what's going to determine if someone drops $600+ for the box. And while I wish Electrix the best, the tortuous path to market for the Repeater suggests that they found the water a little deeper than anticipated. TH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 02:43:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA23464; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 02:40:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 02:40:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 23:39:59 -0700 Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011016150108.02693628@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's great news. I surmised from your earlier posts that it was more touch and go than that. My feelings are, the more loopers, the merrier. Mark On Tuesday, October 16, 2001, at 09:46 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > At 02:41 PM 10/16/2001, you wrote: >> OK. Sure. Don't come to me when Gibson decides (again) that the EDP >> isn't worth >> manufacturing. > > actually, Gibson never made such a decision before. Rather the > opposite, they've kept the echoplex around even when divisions > collapsed around it. They've even very recently devoted substantial > effort and money to keeping it going, making improvements to it, and > bettering the manufacturing process. That is why they are currently > easily available. Gibson has believed in looping for a lot longer than > just about any other company that's touched the idea. > >> My guess is not only will there not be an EDP 2, but within a >> year, there probably won't be an EDP at all. > > It is impossible to know for sure what the future holds, but I don't > see that. As Tom pointed out, we are about to release a major new > software generation for it, allowing us an opportunity to reintroduce > it to the market and get new attention for all of the new > functionality. In any case, what Gibson decides to do isn't the same as > what Aurisis decides to do. If they don't want to do the EDP anymore, > we find some alternative. At the current time though, they seem to be > pretty enthusiastic. > > >> The reason I don't own one is >> because it didn't exist when I was in the market for one, and when it >> did, there >> was a better alternative. Because Electrix is aiming at a broader >> audience, >> they'll win. If you don't think it's a numbers game, you're asleep. >> I'm >> suggesting (and offering my services for free, BTW) a logo redesign >> because I >> don't want to see the EDP go away, even though I'm glad I went to the >> Repeater. >> There will be a big change soon, and Trace-Elliot should be worried. > > Actually, they had more to be worried about when Electrix was > constantly delayed in releasing the Repeater. A lot of people delayed > buying decisions until Repeater was out, so they could compare. The > longer Repeater was delayed, the longer that lasted. Now that Repeater > is out and people have looked at it, I've noticed more people buying > echoplexes again. I don't have sales data yet to know for sure, just a > guess from comments people have made to me in the past month or so. > Decisions go both ways, depending on what people want. People other > than Mark seem to find quite a bit of difference between the two. Some > find the repeater is what they want, some find the EDP was what they > wanted after all. Probably some are buying the RC-20 or the boomerang > or dl-4 or Cycloops. The fact that there are quite a bit of differences > among all of these gives sales people something to talk about to > differentiate and sell their thing. This has resulted in much less > worry, not more, because the real situation is clear. > > >> I can say no >> more. There are more DJs than there are looping musicians, and >> Electrix is >> hitting both bases. > > I'm sorry, but I don't see many DJ's talking about the Repeater. Where > do you see that? I see a lot more discussion among dj's about the > Cycloops, which is a cool new looper well aimed at that market. In > fact, I've noticed that after the initial excitement, discussion of the > Repeater has died down a lot. Impossible to say if that means less > sales. But I would guess there was a sizable group of people built up > over a year of waiting, who all bought right at the beginning. After > that big wave, sales are going to come from new people coming into the > idea, which will be necessarily much slower than the initial rush. > Timing for Electrix probably couldn't be worse, given world events and > economic situations. But NAMM is coming so probably they can get a > boost out of that. > > >> If what Kim says about EDP sales is true, there aren't many >> EDP sales in a year. Barely enough to make it worth making, if I'm >> reading him >> correctly. If Electrix takes a chunk of their sales (as they did with >> me) this >> conversation will be moot. > > No, what I'm saying is there are not many Looper sales in a year of any > kind. This message comes from all different manufacturers. Lexicon said > this after the jamman was a major money-loser for them. Their execs > considered looping a joke after that and laughed members of their staff > out of the office for suggesting a jamman 2. Line-6 has just said this, > when they indicated it wasn't worth it to them to hire one programmer > to work on the looper functions of the echo pro. TC says this in > regards to their delays. We see this in our own numbers. Etc. > > It is a tiny market, and you organize your resources accordingly to be > successful in it. I think it is a growing market with a lot of > potential, but it is still very small. Principles that are true for > high-volume consumer goods are not true here. Yet the engineering > effort required is very high, as high as it would be for any consumer > electronics product. Loopers are very complex devices, much more so > than the average effects processor. You have to make smart choices > based on what you can really do with the money available and the > expected ROI, and a mistake will quickly put you out of business. Just > because the market is small does not mean that you cannot do well with > it, you just have to operate on a scale related to the actual market, > and make rational decisions accordingly. That is the message I am > sending. > > Electrix actually helps the EDP, because they bring more attention to > the whole idea of looping just by existing. When there is only one > product, people think it is a niche and many stay away. When there is > more than one, people see a market with choices, and they get > interested just for that. More choices makes it seem bigger, even if it > isn't. Significant growth in sales of loopers does not happen by > stealing customers back and forth from one manufacturer to the other. > That pool of existing loopers is too tiny and not worth fighting over. > Bringing new people into the pool is how it grows. Electrix is a new > entity doing marketing about looping. If Electrix draws new attention > to looping, many of those people will want to make some comparisons > before they buy. Some of them will choose to buy something different > from the Repeater. No matter what, it is a new customer for looping > products, which is ultimately good for everybody. Who knows, maybe that > customer will buy a second looper next year, which will be a sale for > somebody else. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 02:44:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA23091; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 02:37:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 02:37:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3BCC8BF9.1BC71E17@zerocrossing.net> References: <8AD9C333-C24E-11D5-9771-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> <3BCC8BF9.1BC71E17@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 04:36:50 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wow, what a thread... there was a lot going under this title and we went far in the design discussion. A lot of very good things have been said, no need to go deeper into disagreements... a newcomer to the list must think we are crazy LOOKERS. But I find it challenging to design an industrial electronic unit with joint forces of the users comunity, I doubt this ever occured before! And there is a chance that it influences the design of a possible new model. Me too, I am crazy to see a professional proposual now. I would like to share the thoughts that lead to how it started: The arrangement of the elements is important but we are not free, since the elements are given in number and, more or less, in size and functional order. I mentioned the ergonomic problem that the finger that presses the button covers the LED that gives the visual feedback for the action. Related to it: For my taste, the black buttons on top disturb the visual balance. Designers: Am I wrong that the unit would have a much more stable look with the buttons at the lower end? There was a mechanical reason for it, so to change it involves new PCB design or even mechanical concept. The horizontal main PCB was at the level where the buttons should be on the lower end (to leave enough space for the parameter descriptions). For the LOOP delay, I solved this problem by inverting the whole mechanics, so the opening lid is the bottom really, and the main PCB "hangs" in the unit. So you see to what extent i was worried about the look! I also had the help of PARADIS partner and guitar designer Rolf Spuler. Many techs that saw this inversion thought I was crazy and G-WIZ immediately changed it without notice... But does it really matter for the few ocasions when a unit is opened, whether it lies upside down on the desk? Most tube amps are mounted upside down, too! And there may be another solution... Another detail is the diagonal arrangement of the Parameter LEDs. Its a nice way to bring a different movement into the all rectangular arangement. But its alone. The only other inclination is the display, but the angle is different and in the other direction. Maybe the buttons could be somewhat inclined, too? Also, it does not make sense to me, that the first parameter row is the lowest (once the "base" of the buttons is on top) and that you step through the parameter LEDs from left to right. As I imagine the new model, it will need another button and another row of parameters, so there is even less space for design. The equidistant buttons of the same colour are not instantely identifyable. 6 of them is easy, because the eye divides in two groups of 3, but 7 gets worse. Maybe 8 are better again, but I would love to bring some kind of separation between them. Its hard to group the functions, though, there are not really realated ones. Since the INSERT button gained more functions, it should have a different name that indicates this "multiple function" or "programability". Probably those are all just details and dont make it look "cool"... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 02:50:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA23415; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 02:39:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 02:39:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3BCCB0CB.8E5471F5@zerocrossing.net> References: <2B502ECC-C254-11D5-9771-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> <3BCCB0CB.8E5471F5@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 04:37:37 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >http://fortNY.com isn't very good. It's an image with some centered >text. I wouldn't call it horrible, but it's amature, for sure. It >looks like an hour job. Sometimes that's all a client can afford, but >it doesn't change anything. Makes me think the same of the club. Now, >look at http://www.knittingfactory.com/ It's a pro job. I'm not saying >it's the best, but one look and I can see that time, care, and money >went into it. As an amateur, I do not see this difference, I rather like fortNY.com better... What do you think of Aurisis.com? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 03:07:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA24491; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 02:51:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 02:51:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c156d8$11815da0$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011015154813.01ecefb0@mail.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20011016105714.02602a50@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20011016222407.0499aea8@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: R: Looper development and production costs? Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 23:50:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com LOL- This is fantastic- I hope you all realize the uniqueness of this discussion and appreciate accordingly- I do! Kim said: > Did a corrupted Eras font crash your hard disk when you were a little kid > or what? Mattias said: >The equidistant buttons of the same colour are not instantely identifyable. 6 of them is easy, because the eye divides in two groups of 3, but 7 gets worse. Maybe 8 are better again, but I would love to bring some kind of separation between them. < Maybe place the tri-colored diode lights inside the buttons themselves? Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 03:07:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA25928; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 02:59:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 02:59:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <089e01c15587$e9e501d0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011013184855.04a150f8@loopers-delight.com> <000f01c1544c$a30efa40$0e0aa8c0@den> <089e01c15587$e9e501d0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 05:00:15 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: to control 2 EDPs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I built several new EDP footpedals to control my two EDPs. Each footpedal >has a passive Shadow switch to select EDP A or EDP B. With them, I can >control one or the other but not both simultaneously. > >For more info (and pix) see: >http://www.worldserver.com/leas/pedal.htm > >I've thought about adding a special "MUTE BOTH" switch that would send a >MUTE to both units. That way, I could stop both EDPs simultaneously at the >end of a song. good idea. If you manag to buffer the footpedal, so it sends a fixed voltage for each button, you can feed several EDPs with it. Buffering is made by a transistor, for example... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 03:33:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA26803; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 03:25:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 03:25:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011017002053.04bc3ca8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 00:22:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: R: Looper development and production costs? In-Reply-To: <002201c156d8$11815da0$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011015154813.01ecefb0@mail.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20011016105714.02602a50@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20011016222407.0499aea8@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:50 PM 10/16/2001, you wrote: >Mattias said: > >The equidistant buttons of the same colour are not instantely >identifyable. 6 of them is easy, because the eye divides in two >groups of 3, but 7 gets worse. Maybe 8 are better again, but I would >love to bring some kind of separation between them. < > >Maybe place the tri-colored diode lights inside the buttons themselves? those cost a lot more. Remember? everybody keeps bitching about price. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 03:52:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA27553; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 03:44:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 03:44:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011016233400.04a234f8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 00:41:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011016105714.02602a50@loopers-delight.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20011015154813.01ecefb0@mail.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20011016105714.02602a50@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:54 PM 10/16/2001, Tom Ritchford wrote: >>ok, so we take our tiny budget and devote a significant portion of it to >>pay for industrial designers, graphic artists, NRE on custom molded >>plastics, extrusions, fancy sales literature, etc. > >DON'T do that. But Electrix gets to! it's not fair! >this Great Divide here is a perfect example. > >there's a single stencil on it, three color, dark pink, dark purple and white. >the lettering is oversized in pink on the purple and the controls are white. > >really simple. and then later: >Now. You EDP folks, if you'd just "accept the note" >and admit that a few grand in design would add hundreds >of units to your sales, so let me get this straight, we change the font, paint it pink instead of cream, and our sales will go up by hundreds of units? wow, I had no idea. and here we've been wasting all this time trying to add new features and improve production efficiency. What is the magic font?? >>Sadly, we now don't have enough money after that to pay for another >>software engineer and software QA person that we desperately need. > >You have a dramatically exaggerated idea what the cost of design is, >particularly once amortized out over a lot of cases. well, I do this for a living, but maybe I'm full of crap. >I'm sure you could get a designer to do a really nice front >panel design in perhaps 50 hours of work at $100 an hour. it's funny how I go through this so often in my professional life. "It's simple!" "it only costs $x!" "it will only take a few days of work!" it always comes from somebody who's never actually done such a project. Then somebody experienced in the field who actually has to do the work says, "no it will take more than that, it is not so simple." That person gets shouted down because nobody wants to hear that doom and gloom story of reality. Fantasy project management is so much more fun! Of course, somehow you never get to say "I told you so" later when the project is a complete fucking disaster. but that's how it goes, my life is a dilbert cartoon. >That's a really good designer and a lot of time and that's only >$5000. That might get you one MONTH of a decent software >engineer and no QA person at all. and >If two programmers and two engineers worked on the unit for two years >and cost $60,000 each a year (including FICA, benefits and all -- this >is below market rates) then the whole thing cost 2*2*2*$60,000 >or $480,000 which means that each of these dozen features cost >$40,000 to make. uh, what decade are you talking about? You have to go to the third world to find good embedded real-time software engineers or good dsp engineers or good hardware engineers who work that cheap. Maybe you can get somebody who writes windows apps or java script for that price, but the salary paid for specialized skills and experience you need for developing something like the EDP are at least double that. Where I live it's even higher. for good contractors, you're talking $150 - $300/hour. >The EDP had to have SOME sort of front panel design made up >and something was printed on it. That had to cost you something. no, not really. I did it myself because I believed design was important, much as you and Mark have been saying, and other people didn't. Mostly I did it in my spare time, but I didn't get paid much anyway in those days so it probably wouldn't have made a difference. I used the copies of illustrator and quark and the large font library I had "borrowed" from the printing company I worked at during college. I used the typesetting and page layout skills I had acquired during that job as best I could. I think we spent about $25 to get films done at a service bureau for the silk screen. There ya go, do it on the cheap or don't do it at all. Hate to burst you guy's bubbles, but that's the way things get done in the little niches of the music industry. G-Wiz was a small new division then. There wasn't a big budget, there weren't many people working there, and the echoplex was the bottom odd-ball project of the pile. the FAR synth, ZIPI, Infinity controller - those were the glamor projects that got what there was of the attention, the budgets, the resources. The ugly duckling looper project seemed like a long shot. This was before the jamman even, so nobody really was sure what to think of the idea. I liked it though, so I worked on it. Or I was assigned to it because I was the lowest guy there. The Echoplex amazed us all by being one of the few things that actually made it to a real product, and continues to live long after g-wiz died. That is true because of determination and getting things done by any means you can find. >>yet another fiscal reality check: these are small companies doing this. >>Tiny companies really. Or maybe tiny divisions of small companies. >>Usually just 3 or 4 underpaid people tops, without sufficient budget. >>There is not a lot of capital available. There is not a large market >>available. There will not be a large return for your investment. You have >>to manage these issues to make money. In fact, you will be lucky not to >>lose money. You make choices. > >but it's an inferior choice to drop graphic design entirely, particularly >since you can get something really quite nice really quite cheaply. in my opinion, we did get something nice for cheap. Just some people are real picky is all. It could have been worse, we could have used Matthias' design. ;-) >you have a major opportunity on your hands! > >Why not take the opportunity NOW that you are coming out >with a new revision of the machine to call it "EDP 2"?! > >You can put a new coat of paint on the face, call it >version II, and everyone will look at it again, even >people who knew about it before. > >It'd boost flagging sales, it'd encourage people who >already had one to get another, it'd boost people who >are turned on to looping by the Repeater to look >at a very different alternative. in fact, that has been my plan for a long time. I love deceptive marketing and sales tricks. Probably all we need to add is a pointy read bubble with "New and Improved!" in the middle. Or maybe the Digital Pro Plus XL? >black and silver and white, that simple sort of thing, >real typesetting, and it'll be done in a flash. Not pink and purple? haha... I'm still waiting for an explanation of which parts of my typesetting are not real. did I get the kerning wrong somewhere? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 03:59:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA28110; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 03:56:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 03:56:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <026601c156e1$78f902e0$cd61f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200110170133.VAA04977@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Erdem's latest tracks from Turkey Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 00:57:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <0D0_nC.A.82G.amTz7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Erdem, Nice to 'hear' your post!!!! Congratulations on the good work. I'm am currently recording multiple traditional percussion tracks based on Tunisian sufi field recordings so the Kabir Al' Mevelevi, the head of the California Mevelevi Sufi community in California can take my tracks to Istanbul to have Turkish sufi musicians overdub on them. This will all be part of a National Public Broadcasting soundtrack for a documentary on the life of the prophet Mohammed. So, in a strange way, I will be visiting your country!!! Also, I would love to be invited to perform at the very first Turkish National Looping Festival. I would come at my own expense with enough notice.........save my pennies LOL. Why don't you plan and produce such an event ;-) your friend in Northern California, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 04:28:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA30299; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 04:23:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 04:23:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c156e4$56cea500$1dd86880@oemcomputer> From: "jeff snyder" To: Subject: from where can I get a good price on an echoplex? Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 03:18:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I just joined the list and I'm hoping to buy a looper soon... I've been borrowing my friend's boomerang for a long time and I think it's about time I bought my own device. I like the boomerang a lot, especially the super-easy layout for live use and reverse leads... But I don't really like the sound quality (not just the sample rate, but also there's quite a bit of hiss in my friend's rang), and I would love to be able to trigger loops from an external source, since my feet ain't that agile, and I bet I could figure out some unusual interesting things to do triggering from MAX... anyway, I was wondering if anybody has any suggestions of a good place to buy an echoplex from, since the EDP seems to take care of the concerns I have with the rang. Also, if anyone has either an echoplex or a boomerang for sale, please email and let me know.... Bye, Jeff Snyder scattershot From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 05:09:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA01371; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 05:07:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 05:07:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c156ea$e831d340$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011015154813.01ecefb0@mail.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20011016105714.02602a50@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20011016222407.0499aea8@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20011017002053.04bc3ca8@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: R: Looper development and production costs? Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 02:05:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Right, right- my bad- now where did I put that link for "Cutting edge parts for cheap" - I was going to send it along... ;) Cliff > >Maybe place the tri-colored diode lights inside the buttons themselves? > > those cost a lot more. Remember? everybody keeps bitching about price. > > kim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 06:47:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA05345; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 06:45:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 06:45:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c15679$274772f0$b683abd4@giogio> From: "luca" To: References: Subject: Re: Looper Features-Cosiderations Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 21:17:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob > Why cant the users brain select a limited enough number of features > and then teach those to intuition and forget about the others? agree: learn and forget. luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 08:09:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA10036; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 08:08:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 08:08:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011017120728.3449.qmail@web12006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 05:07:28 -0700 (PDT) From: philip raath Subject: nyc loopfest To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200110170759.DAA29407@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com don't want to speak out of turn without the man here, but it seems like dt was pretty much down for the thing, he's just really fucking busy w/ the bowie bit and whatever else. i think we need to start over and get it going again, and hopefully he will have time to join us. but let's start trudging forward on this again. maybe we should get a new rollcall of those interested, and suggestions for venues? we've all had delays in our life of late, so let's just start fresh on it? peace, phil ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 09:05:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13202; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 09:04:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 09:04:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.193.125.73] From: "The Weg" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:03:06 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Oct 2001 13:03:07.0099 (UTC) FILETIME=[107DD2B0:01C1570C] Resent-Message-ID: <1hKh5C.A.yND.uGYz7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, This topic makes as much sense as painting flowers, there are those who dislike the rose but by any other name it is still a rose... Weg From: Kim Flint Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 00:41:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [207.228.238.9] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBD9681DB00A9400431A2CFE4EE090DB70; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 00:44:37 -0700 Received: (from looper@localhost)by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA27514;Wed, 17 Oct 2001 03:43:42 -0400 >From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed, 17 Oct 2001 00:45:08 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 03:43:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011016233400.04a234f8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011016105714.02602a50@loopers-delight.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20011015154813.01ecefb0@mail.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20011016105714.02602a50@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:54 PM 10/16/2001, Tom Ritchford wrote: >>ok, so we take our tiny budget and devote a significant portion of it to >>pay for industrial designers, graphic artists, NRE on custom molded >>plastics, extrusions, fancy sales literature, etc. > >DON'T do that. But Electrix gets to! it's not fair! >this Great Divide here is a perfect example. > >there's a single stencil on it, three color, dark pink, dark purple and >white. >the lettering is oversized in pink on the purple and the controls are >white. > >really simple. and then later: >Now. You EDP folks, if you'd just "accept the note" >and admit that a few grand in design would add hundreds >of units to your sales, so let me get this straight, we change the font, paint it pink instead of cream, and our sales will go up by hundreds of units? wow, I had no idea. and here we've been wasting all this time trying to add new features and improve production efficiency. What is the magic font?? >>Sadly, we now don't have enough money after that to pay for another >>software engineer and software QA person that we desperately need. > >You have a dramatically exaggerated idea what the cost of design is, >particularly once amortized out over a lot of cases. well, I do this for a living, but maybe I'm full of crap. >I'm sure you could get a designer to do a really nice front >panel design in perhaps 50 hours of work at $100 an hour. it's funny how I go through this so often in my professional life. "It's simple!" "it only costs $x!" "it will only take a few days of work!" it always comes from somebody who's never actually done such a project. Then somebody experienced in the field who actually has to do the work says, "no it will take more than that, it is not so simple." That person gets shouted down because nobody wants to hear that doom and gloom story of reality. Fantasy project management is so much more fun! Of course, somehow you never get to say "I told you so" later when the project is a complete fucking disaster. but that's how it goes, my life is a dilbert cartoon. >That's a really good designer and a lot of time and that's only >$5000. That might get you one MONTH of a decent software >engineer and no QA person at all. and >If two programmers and two engineers worked on the unit for two years >and cost $60,000 each a year (including FICA, benefits and all -- this >is below market rates) then the whole thing cost 2*2*2*$60,000 >or $480,000 which means that each of these dozen features cost >$40,000 to make. uh, what decade are you talking about? You have to go to the third world to find good embedded real-time software engineers or good dsp engineers or good hardware engineers who work that cheap. Maybe you can get somebody who writes windows apps or java script for that price, but the salary paid for specialized skills and experience you need for developing something like the EDP are at least double that. Where I live it's even higher. for good contractors, you're talking $150 - $300/hour. >The EDP had to have SOME sort of front panel design made up >and something was printed on it. That had to cost you something. no, not really. I did it myself because I believed design was important, much as you and Mark have been saying, and other people didn't. Mostly I did it in my spare time, but I didn't get paid much anyway in those days so it probably wouldn't have made a difference. I used the copies of illustrator and quark and the large font library I had "borrowed" from the printing company I worked at during college. I used the typesetting and page layout skills I had acquired during that job as best I could. I think we spent about $25 to get films done at a service bureau for the silk screen. There ya go, do it on the cheap or don't do it at all. Hate to burst you guy's bubbles, but that's the way things get done in the little niches of the music industry. G-Wiz was a small new division then. There wasn't a big budget, there weren't many people working there, and the echoplex was the bottom odd-ball project of the pile. the FAR synth, ZIPI, Infinity controller - those were the glamor projects that got what there was of the attention, the budgets, the resources. The ugly duckling looper project seemed like a long shot. This was before the jamman even, so nobody really was sure what to think of the idea. I liked it though, so I worked on it. Or I was assigned to it because I was the lowest guy there. The Echoplex amazed us all by being one of the few things that actually made it to a real product, and continues to live long after g-wiz died. That is true because of determination and getting things done by any means you can find. >>yet another fiscal reality check: these are small companies doing this. >>Tiny companies really. Or maybe tiny divisions of small companies. >>Usually just 3 or 4 underpaid people tops, without sufficient budget. >>There is not a lot of capital available. There is not a large market >>available. There will not be a large return for your investment. You have >>to manage these issues to make money. In fact, you will be lucky not to >>lose money. You make choices. > >but it's an inferior choice to drop graphic design entirely, particularly >since you can get something really quite nice really quite cheaply. in my opinion, we did get something nice for cheap. Just some people are real picky is all. It could have been worse, we could have used Matthias' design. ;-) >you have a major opportunity on your hands! > >Why not take the opportunity NOW that you are coming out >with a new revision of the machine to call it "EDP 2"?! > >You can put a new coat of paint on the face, call it >version II, and everyone will look at it again, even >people who knew about it before. > >It'd boost flagging sales, it'd encourage people who >already had one to get another, it'd boost people who >are turned on to looping by the Repeater to look >at a very different alternative. in fact, that has been my plan for a long time. I love deceptive marketing and sales tricks. Probably all we need to add is a pointy read bubble with "New and Improved!" in the middle. Or maybe the Digital Pro Plus XL? >black and silver and white, that simple sort of thing, >real typesetting, and it'll be done in a flash. Not pink and purple? haha... I'm still waiting for an explanation of which parts of my typesetting are not real. did I get the kerning wrong somewhere? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 09:13:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13818; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 09:13:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 09:13:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.193.125.73] From: "The Weg" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Buying equipment based on looks Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:11:32 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Oct 2001 13:11:32.0346 (UTC) FILETIME=[3DA465A0:01C1570D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bravo! Weg From: Kim Flint Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Buying equipment based on looks Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 21:58:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [207.228.238.9] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBD965B9B0012400431D5CFE4EE0910F20; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 22:01:22 -0700 Received: (from looper@localhost)by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA17481;Wed, 17 Oct 2001 01:00:36 -0400 >From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue, 16 Oct 2001 22:01:41 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 01:00:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011016215243.02691af0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 In-Reply-To: References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:52 PM 10/16/2001, Per Boysen wrote: >Maybe I've got strange >taste but to me the EDP looks really "cool". I guess mainly because the >design is somehow "un-cool". I mean, it really can't be sorted into any >certain decade - it's simply timeless. Ok, it could be something from the >early eighties just because the logo text says "Digital Pro", as if some >"magic words", more important to drop than other words describing what the >unit actually does. Typical 80s that is ;D glad somebody properly appreciates that touch. :-) To me the name is all about irreverence towards stupid traditions. I had a lot of fun with it. The fact that we had the audacity to use the name "Echoplex" still makes me smile. I love spearing icons like that. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 09:24:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA14459; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 09:24:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 09:24:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Korg Ms-10/SP-808 for sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.8 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 09:26:10 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Korg ms-10 patchable synth for sale-in excellent shape-used in studio-I have acquired two of these wonderful beasts--I would love to keep them both but finances demand that I part with one of them - 600 US obo I also have a sp808 in an anvil flight case also in excellent shape-I can part with this for 700 US - Thanks c.white From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 11:47:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23568; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 11:45:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 11:45:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 08:43:54 -0700 From: "Miko Biffle" To: , Subject: RE: Buying equipment based on looks Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA23367 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:52 PM 10/16/2001, Per Boysen wrote: >> Maybe I've got strange taste but to me the EDP looks really "cool". I guess mainly because the design is somehow "un-cool". I mean, it really can't be sorted into any certain decade - it's simply timeless. Ok, it could be something from the early eighties just because the logo text says "Digital Pro", as if some "magic words", more important to drop than other words describing what the unit actually does. Typical 80s that is ;D Kim... > glad somebody properly appreciates that touch. :-) To me the name is all about irreverence towards stupid traditions. I had a lot of fun with it. The fact that we had the audacity to use the name "Echoplex" still makes me smile. I love spearing icons like that. kim I spent a few moments really looking at my older Oberheim EDP last night and have to say it looks good to me! I like the little musical note next to 'Oberheim'... I kind of liked the Oberheim colors before the EDP. I remember Chris Muir had a 'blackface' one (not sure if he got to keep it... maybe you have it Kim?) which I liked more at first. But the fonts, legibility and functionality are right on. I can't figure how you'd get that much information on there and 'improve' it much. I've grown very used to the EDP as a looping 'icon'. It's awesome... now my quandry is that if I buy another one (which I'm sure to do eventually), I'll have a faceplate mismatch due to the newer Gibson logo. I'm sure I'd appreciate the more robust knobs Trace has added though. The EDP's fine... let's see that new s/w! -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 11:53:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24013; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 11:52:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 11:52:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <010601c156c6$aeb81ee0$cd61f93f@dnlsh01> References: <200110161846.OAA12679@hemlock.violacea.com> <010601c156c6$aeb81ee0$cd61f93f@dnlsh01> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 11:51:21 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: re: New York Loopfest Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <9lcDsB.A.u0F.Nkaz7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Dearest Tom and all of the New York loopers: > >About the potential first New York Looping Festival: > >Do it!!!! >Do it because you love looping. >Do it because New York needs the creativity right now more than ever. >Do it for the sense of solidarity. >Do it whether or not it is wildly successful. >Do it because there has never been such an event and you will be making >regional musical history. >Do it so that you can say you did it. >Do it for all the loopers around the world who are dying to do it >themselves. You will inspire them. >Do it for free, if need be (that's what i have done and it is only recently >that we are starting to have some successes-notably the well attended Bass >Looping Tour earlier this year). >Do it and know that all of the West Coast loopers are pulling for you. >Do it!!!! Well, I am moved. No joke. I really needed this boost.(*) And we will do this. The next email will set out a plan of attack... /t (* -- Not only am I at home with a cold but I'm also at home, essentially on strike against my employers (who don't even know or probably care that I'm sick)! ) http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 12:08:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25747; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 12:04:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 12:04:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 12:02:40 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>black and silver and white, that simple sort of thing, >>real typesetting, and it'll be done in a flash. > >Not pink and purple? haha... I'm still waiting for an explanation of which >parts of my typesetting are not real. did I get the kerning wrong somewhere? I'd say it'd have to be the font. It's a classical-appearing font -- I'd expect something hi-tech. But I'm no expert. And, I'd like again to extend my greatest respect to you for your work and for your extremely reasonable tone during these discussions, where a bunch of us back-seat drivers are critiquing quite literally the most superficial parts of the design of your most excellent product... /t http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 12:08:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25602; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 12:00:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 12:00:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 08:59:02 -0700 Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com HA! For the last 4 months I've been working on a project for Oracle. It started with me "just doing an animated background and some graphics..." Our project manager spends most of her free time worrying about UFO obduction and not much of her work time on project managment. Needless to say, I share your grief. What you're talking about it the bane of my existence. Anyway, I never claimed a total box redesign was in order for the EDP. Just get rid of that logotype. Where I come from, typing in the name of your product in a font other than Times New Roman does not a logotype make. Just a thought. Mark On Wednesday, October 17, 2001, at 01:03 PM, The Weg wrote: > theweg@hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 12:35:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26948; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 12:29:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 12:29:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20011017092242.00d0f450@crash.cts.com> X-Sender: harvey@crash.cts.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 09:22:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Harvey Starr Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011016233400.04a234f8@loopers-delight.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011016105714.02602a50@loopers-delight.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20011015154813.01ecefb0@mail.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20011016105714.02602a50@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <-zwsqC.A.YiG.fFbz7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim, I've got to hand it to you for having the patience to answer these questions. People don't know what it's about until spent a month re-writing code that was supposed to take only a week tops while being sidetracked because someone decided to use anodized screws to make a ground connection or a silscreen was mis-registered or a PCB run was over-etched or an assembler mis-read an assembly drawing or your shop compressor blew a head-gasket or the paint mfg discontinued your paint and the replacement isn't compatible with your already primed parts or your 2nd-source mfg of an IC discontinued production and the main source now has a 2K pc. minimum or there are no memory chips or tantalum caps because the cell phone industry has swallowed them all... et al... and to think you could be paid 3 times as much to write an embedded guidance system for a cruise missile and take long sushi/sake lunches and paid vacations. But the music biz is so glamorous... -hs > >>>Sadly, we now don't have enough money after that to pay for another >>>software engineer and software QA person that we desperately need. >> >>You have a dramatically exaggerated idea what the cost of design is, >>particularly once amortized out over a lot of cases. > >well, I do this for a living, but maybe I'm full of crap. > > >>I'm sure you could get a designer to do a really nice front >>panel design in perhaps 50 hours of work at $100 an hour. > >it's funny how I go through this so often in my professional life. > >"It's simple!" >"it only costs $x!" >"it will only take a few days of work!" > >it always comes from somebody who's never actually done such a project. >Then somebody experienced in the field who actually has to do the work >says, "no it will take more than that, it is not so simple." That person >gets shouted down because nobody wants to hear that doom and gloom story of >reality. Fantasy project management is so much more fun! Of course, >somehow you never get to say "I told you so" later when the project is a >complete fucking disaster. but that's how it goes, my life is a dilbert >cartoon. > > >>That's a really good designer and a lot of time and that's only >>$5000. That might get you one MONTH of a decent software >>engineer and no QA person at all. > >and > >>If two programmers and two engineers worked on the unit for two years >>and cost $60,000 each a year (including FICA, benefits and all -- this >>is below market rates) then the whole thing cost 2*2*2*$60,000 >>or $480,000 which means that each of these dozen features cost >>$40,000 to make. > >uh, what decade are you talking about? You have to go to the third world to >find good embedded real-time software engineers or good dsp engineers or >good hardware engineers who work that cheap. Maybe you can get somebody who >writes windows apps or java script for that price, but the salary paid for >specialized skills and experience you need for developing something like >the EDP are at least double that. Where I live it's even higher. for good >contractors, you're talking $150 - $300/hour. > > >>The EDP had to have SOME sort of front panel design made up >>and something was printed on it. That had to cost you something. > >no, not really. I did it myself because I believed design was important, >much as you and Mark have been saying, and other people didn't. Mostly I >did it in my spare time, but I didn't get paid much anyway in those days so >it probably wouldn't have made a difference. I used the copies of >illustrator and quark and the large font library I had "borrowed" from the >printing company I worked at during college. I used the typesetting and >page layout skills I had acquired during that job as best I could. I think >we spent about $25 to get films done at a service bureau for the silk >screen. There ya go, do it on the cheap or don't do it at all. Hate to >burst you guy's bubbles, but that's the way things get done in the little >niches of the music industry. > >G-Wiz was a small new division then. There wasn't a big budget, there >weren't many people working there, and the echoplex was the bottom odd-ball >project of the pile. the FAR synth, ZIPI, Infinity controller - those were >the glamor projects that got what there was of the attention, the budgets, >the resources. The ugly duckling looper project seemed like a long shot. >This was before the jamman even, so nobody really was sure what to think of >the idea. I liked it though, so I worked on it. Or I was assigned to it >because I was the lowest guy there. The Echoplex amazed us all by being one >of the few things that actually made it to a real product, and continues to >live long after g-wiz died. That is true because of determination and >getting things done by any means you can find. > > > >>>yet another fiscal reality check: these are small companies doing this. >>>Tiny companies really. Or maybe tiny divisions of small companies. >>>Usually just 3 or 4 underpaid people tops, without sufficient budget. >>>There is not a lot of capital available. There is not a large market >>>available. There will not be a large return for your investment. You have >>>to manage these issues to make money. In fact, you will be lucky not to >>>lose money. You make choices. >> >>but it's an inferior choice to drop graphic design entirely, particularly >>since you can get something really quite nice really quite cheaply. > >in my opinion, we did get something nice for cheap. Just some people are >real picky is all. It could have been worse, we could have used Matthias' >design. ;-) > > >>you have a major opportunity on your hands! >> >>Why not take the opportunity NOW that you are coming out >>with a new revision of the machine to call it "EDP 2"?! >> >>You can put a new coat of paint on the face, call it >>version II, and everyone will look at it again, even >>people who knew about it before. >> >>It'd boost flagging sales, it'd encourage people who >>already had one to get another, it'd boost people who >>are turned on to looping by the Repeater to look >>at a very different alternative. > >in fact, that has been my plan for a long time. I love deceptive marketing >and sales tricks. Probably all we need to add is a pointy read bubble with >"New and Improved!" in the middle. Or maybe the Digital Pro Plus XL? > > >>black and silver and white, that simple sort of thing, >>real typesetting, and it'll be done in a flash. > >Not pink and purple? haha... I'm still waiting for an explanation of which >parts of my typesetting are not real. did I get the kerning wrong somewhere? > >kim > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > http://www.starrlabs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 12:49:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27739; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 12:48:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 12:48:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011016233400.04a234f8@loopers-delight.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011016105714.02602a50@loopers-delight.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20011015154813.01ecefb0@mail.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20011016105714.02602a50@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20011016233400.04a234f8@loopers-delight.com> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 12:46:27 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >it always comes from somebody who's never actually done such a project. Well, I have done such projects. Check my resume. http://TomRitchford.com. >>That's a really good designer and a lot of time and that's only >>$5000. That might get you one MONTH of a decent software >>engineer and no QA person at all. > >and > >>If two programmers and two engineers worked on the unit for two years >>and cost $60,000 each a year (including FICA, benefits and all -- this >>is below market rates) then the whole thing cost 2*2*2*$60,000 >>or $480,000 which means that each of these dozen features cost >>$40,000 to make. > >uh, what decade are you talking about? You have to go to the third >world to find good embedded real-time software engineers or good dsp >engineers or good hardware engineers who work that cheap. Maybe you >can get somebody who writes windows apps or java script for that >price, but the salary paid for specialized skills and experience you >need for developing something like the EDP are at least double that. >Where I live it's even higher. for good contractors, you're talking >$150 - $300/hour. Yes, of course, I write computer code myself. I deliberately chose low-ball numbers to be unfair to my own argument... so that I'd get a number you couldn't possibly dispute as being too high. If I used realistic numbers, you'd get something like 1 feature == $100,000. and then my argument would go: "by that measure, you should be willing to spend $100,000 on design". I imagine that result would have been even less attractive to you. >>The EDP had to have SOME sort of front panel design made up >>and something was printed on it. That had to cost you something. > >no, not really. I did it myself because I believed design was >important, much as you and Mark have been saying, and other people >didn't. Mostly I did it in my spare time, but I didn't get paid much >anyway in those days so it probably wouldn't have made a difference. I didn't mean that you paid for the design, I mean that it costs you to put ANY sort of design printed on a case. My guess was $2 a case. For another $2 you could have had, say, a second color. >in fact, that has been my plan for a long time. I love deceptive >marketing and sales tricks. Probably all we need to add is a pointy >read bubble with "New and Improved!" in the middle. Or maybe the >Digital Pro Plus XL? You don't have to be dishonest about it to want to publicize the fact that you have a dramatic new rev to the operating system which you've put a lot of work into! /t http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 12:50:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28002; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 12:50:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 12:50:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003c01c15743$99cc1a40$0101a8c0@pavilion> From: "brian mulvey" To: References: Subject: Re: New York Loopfest Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 12:40:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com good to hear....! let's give the concert for new york some friendly competition. kidding, of course. ++ brian david mulvey ++ ++ brian@typocalypse.com ++ ++ GRAPHIC DESIGN: www.typocalypse.com ++ ++ FM RADIO PROGRAM: www.typocalypse.com/radio.htm ++ ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Ritchford To: Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 8:51 AM Subject: re: New York Loopfest > >Dearest Tom and all of the New York loopers: > > > >About the potential first New York Looping Festival: > > > >Do it!!!! > >Do it because you love looping. > >Do it because New York needs the creativity right now more than ever. > >Do it for the sense of solidarity. > >Do it whether or not it is wildly successful. > >Do it because there has never been such an event and you will be making > >regional musical history. > >Do it so that you can say you did it. > >Do it for all the loopers around the world who are dying to do it > >themselves. You will inspire them. > >Do it for free, if need be (that's what i have done and it is only recently > >that we are starting to have some successes-notably the well attended Bass > >Looping Tour earlier this year). > >Do it and know that all of the West Coast loopers are pulling for you. > >Do it!!!! > > Well, I am moved. No joke. I really needed this boost.(*) > And we will do this. > > The next email will set out a plan of attack... > > /t > > > > (* -- Not only am I at home with a cold but I'm also at home, > essentially on strike against my employers (who don't even > know or probably care that I'm sick)! ) > > > http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. > http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. > http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 13:05:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29858; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:04:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:04:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:02:44 -0400 Subject: Re: NYC loopfest From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200110171635.MAA27206@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > maybe we should get a new rollcall of those > interested, and suggestions for venues? we've all had > delays in our life of late, so let's just start fresh > on it? Agreed -- I don't think we should wait around for dt, welcome as he is -- let's just get something going. There's never a "perfect" time. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 13:13:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30376; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:12:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:12:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 10:11:21 -0700 Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? From: Allan Hoeltje To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20011016225456.007ec090@pop.metrocast.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Someone needs to start making faux rack units. 1 and 2 rack space panels with cool, "this guy is a rock star" blinking lights and big knobs that go up to eleven. That way you just keep all your midi controled real gear off stage where it can't be hit by flying beer bottles and such. No R&D budget would be necessary, just marketing, and every Guitar Center would stock them. Actually, they ought to be bigger than normal rack units so they can be seen from the back row. My EDP and my butt ugly Walter Woods amp are the two most beautiful things I own. -Allan on 10/16/01 7:54 PM, Tim Nelson at tnelson@metrocast.net wrote: > At 10:37 PM 10/16/01 EDT, you wrote: >> ..here's my problem.....if i >> fiddle with the knobs, i have to turn my back to the audiance and if i have >> the boxes towards me the audiance can not see the lites, the true source of >> "coolness" for all equipment... > > You could wear a suit that's covered in mirrors... > > -t > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 13:13:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30610; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:12:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:12:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:10:24 -0400 To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" From: Tom Ritchford Subject: new york loopfest Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm going to throw out questions and my best answers to them. 1. a series or a single concert or...? My vote is decidedly for a single show (to start). If we do a series, we'll spread the crowd out over multiple dates. If we want to get the largest possible crowd for our first outing, we should get them to come all on one night. 2. start small and go to bigger venues? I'm agin' it too. I think we should try to book the *largest* possible venue we can. If that fails we can always try for smaller spaces. Reason: a big space gives us instant credibility. A big space means a higher ticket price, more spectators, a better chance of not losing money.(*) 3. Lots of acts? I still think we should try to fit a lot of acts in. Each act brings their own crowd with them. And, I might show up to see three acts that I'd kind of heard about when I might not show up to see one (on the theory that ONE of them might be good!) I'm not sure how to decide on who plays, though. There definitely needs to be priority given to "headliners" (honest draws like dt) and people from out-of-town (who are coming a great way to be there and are also draws). I'd tend to favour some sort of voting system if there's any sort of dispute, though. Let's hope we can resolve the issue of the bill simply -- we were going quite nicely before! 4. When? If you remember my last email, it looks as if there needs to be approximately a two-month lead time. We could cut this down somewhat but two months seems about right. So let's shoot for early in the New Year... or am I being too conservative? 5. Where? 5.1. The Knitting Factory. Clearly the top candidate, we have some contacts there, and they are the premiere space in the city for "this sort of thing". 5.2. Chashama I know I mentioned them before and discarded them because they didn't have a PA -- but they are expanding and I was told that they do have some sort of PA there. They have the big advantage that they have a great location (42nd St near Times Square!) and that they apparently don't mind doing things that are experimental and lose money. I know some people there too, will roust them today. 5.3. Galapagos. I don't know if they actually have a PA there in their back room but I'd believe so. Advantages: large space; open to this sort of thing; we have some contacts there. Disadvantages: Brooklyn. Quite in demand. Not very good acoustics. 5.4. Any other suggestions? Let me know if other venues come to mind! 6. How to proceed? 6.1. Tell me if you are interested (again)! 6.2. I'll contact my Chashama contacts by email and see how to proceed. 6.3. When I have my voice back, I'll call dt. 6.4. I'll report to you folks as to the progress! /t (* -- you can see I've been at this for a long time when my hopes are reduced to not losing money...) http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 13:32:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31518; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:31:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:31:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: giuseppe_poteet@worldnet.att.net User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 10:23:44 -0700 Subject: Re: NYC loop fest? To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006f01c15691$b5c33380$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Like...? A day at the Williamsburg Arts Center? Does this involve wearing tricorner hats & playing wicked fife solos over phat tabor loops? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 13:35:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31961; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:33:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:33:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 12:33:00 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00b401c15731$c484b510$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011016105714.02602a50@loopers-delight.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20011015154813.01ecefb0@mail.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20011016105714.02602a50@loopers-delight.com> <3.0.6.32.20011017092242.00d0f450@crash.cts.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com this could very well be the longest sentence ever posted to ld... >.... > questions. People don't know what it's about until spent a month re-writing > code that was supposed to take only a week tops while being sidetracked > because someone decided to use anodized screws to make a ground connection > or a silscreen was mis-registered or a PCB run was over-etched or an > assembler mis-read an assembly drawing or your shop compressor blew a > head-gasket or the paint mfg discontinued your paint and the replacement > isn't compatible with your already primed parts or your 2nd-source mfg of > an IC discontinued production and the main source now has a 2K pc. minimum > or there are no memory chips or tantalum caps because the cell phone > industry has swallowed them all... et al... and to think you could be paid > 3 times as much to write an embedded guidance system for a cruise missile > and take long sushi/sake lunches and paid vacations. But the music biz is > so glamorous... > -hs > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 13:38:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31760; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:32:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:32:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BCDC05E.B889154C@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 10:34:43 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3Ge_GC.A.BtH.PCcz7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Travis Hartnett wrote: > ... > > There's tons of mediocre guitars out there with flashy designs, but Fender > still moves thousands of homely Telecasters out the door each year. > > TH gee, i rather like the looks of a tele. and i've got an art school degree...hmmm... i'll have to admit, the looks of the edp didn't sell me on it (not did they dissuade me from it). 'twas the review i read in guitar player wot did it though...there IS something to how a piece of gear is perceived that does make a difference. but it sure isn't the essential thing. i like the i ching's description of the attributes of the hexagram "grace". i.e. (i paraphrase) that something is perceived as beautiful must be secondary to its essence, otherwise one is out of relation with the tao... lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 13:39:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31949; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:33:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:33:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 12:32:37 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00b301c15731$b72035c0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com alright, you guys have to quit stealing my idea... the psionic probability matrix will be available "soon" they have lots of blinking lights and knobs that go to 11. the prototype has been in my rack for about 12 years... initially i just made it to cover the space between power amp and other heat sensitive gear. then every soundman that saw it wanted one. 12 years in production ought to be enough time to get all the bugs worked out... who wants one? > Someone needs to start making faux rack units. 1 and 2 rack space panels > with cool, "this guy is a rock star" blinking lights and big knobs that go > up to eleven. That way you just keep all your midi controled real gear off > stage where it can't be hit by flying beer bottles and such. No R&D budget > would be necessary, just marketing, and every Guitar Center would stock > them. Actually, they ought to be bigger than normal rack units so they can > be seen from the back row. > > My EDP and my butt ugly Walter Woods amp are the two most beautiful things I > own. > > -Allan > > > on 10/16/01 7:54 PM, Tim Nelson at tnelson@metrocast.net wrote: > > > At 10:37 PM 10/16/01 EDT, you wrote: > >> ..here's my problem.....if i > >> fiddle with the knobs, i have to turn my back to the audiance and if i have > >> the boxes towards me the audiance can not see the lites, the true source of > >> "coolness" for all equipment... > > > > You could wear a suit that's covered in mirrors... > > > > -t > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 13:40:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32680; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:38:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:38:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c15732$63de9f40$0601a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 10:37:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com They do make falsies. I saw them at NAMM- aluminum- screen printed- look like expensive analog stuff with VU meters and all- but once you read the words it becomes clear- I wish I could remember what they said but they were funny. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Hoeltje" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 10:11 AM Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? > Someone needs to start making faux rack units. 1 and 2 rack space panels > with cool, "this guy is a rock star" blinking lights and big knobs that go > up to eleven. That way you just keep all your midi controled real gear off > stage where it can't be hit by flying beer bottles and such. No R&D budget > would be necessary, just marketing, and every Guitar Center would stock > them. Actually, they ought to be bigger than normal rack units so they can > be seen from the back row. > > My EDP and my butt ugly Walter Woods amp are the two most beautiful things I > own. > > -Allan > > > on 10/16/01 7:54 PM, Tim Nelson at tnelson@metrocast.net wrote: > > > At 10:37 PM 10/16/01 EDT, you wrote: > >> ..here's my problem.....if i > >> fiddle with the knobs, i have to turn my back to the audiance and if i have > >> the boxes towards me the audiance can not see the lites, the true source of > >> "coolness" for all equipment... > > > > You could wear a suit that's covered in mirrors... > > > > -t > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 13:40:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32704; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:39:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:39:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 10:36:01 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: faux rack units In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:11 AM -0700 10/17/01, Allan Hoeltje wrote: >Someone needs to start making faux rack units. 1 and 2 rack space panels >with cool, "this guy is a rock star" blinking lights and big knobs that go >up to eleven. http://www.funklogic.com/mainfunk.htm -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 13:46:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32329; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:35:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:35:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:34:42 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: NYC loop fest? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > > Like...? A day at the Williamsburg Arts Center? > >Does this involve wearing tricorner hats & playing wicked fife solos over >phat tabor loops? hmm, this is a pretty decent space. do they have a PA yet? do they have heating? the last time I was there it was incredibly hot and before that it was incredibly cold... /t http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 13:52:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00963; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:46:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:46:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0FE98FA04927D411A48300D0B77CF9BB05958268@tiger.middlebury.edu> From: "Christensen, Mark" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: another midi controller for guitarists Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:45:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com while trying to remember where i had seen those fake rack units and doing some cyber-wandering i came across this little item for your control-freak gratification. http://www.chicipick.com/ m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 13:54:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01492; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:53:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:53:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005a01c15734$5ff6a4c0$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: Subject: Re: NYC loop fest? Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:51:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: > > Like...? A day at the Williamsburg Arts Center? > > Does this involve wearing tricorner hats & playing wicked fife solos over > phat tabor loops? Whatever - as long as yer looping! * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 13:55:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01665; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:54:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:54:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006201c15734$8b3e0ce0$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: Subject: Re: NYC loop fest? Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:52:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Ritchford To: > > > Like...? A day at the Williamsburg Arts Center? > > > >Does this involve wearing tricorner hats & playing wicked fife solos over > >phat tabor loops? > > hmm, this is a pretty decent space. > > do they have a PA yet? > > do they have heating? the last time I was there it was incredibly hot > and before that it was incredibly cold... I don't know, I've never been there. A friend recommended it to me a few days ago. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 14:00:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03357; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:59:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:59:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: From: "p koniuto" Subject: RE: Re: faux rack units Message-Id: <171001290.39524@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 10:58:50 -0700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > http://www.funklogic.com/mainfunk.htm > I've been eying the Palindrometer for sometime now. Pesky studio client: "Can you do something to warm up that vocal?" Me: (reaching over to the Palendrometer, toggling the Mid Q Dim switch) "That oughta do it." Pesky studio client: "Ahhh...much better." I do that already with real gear, but the Funk Logic stuff would be even more convicing (and self- satisfying!). Best, peter koniuto From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 14:04:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02041; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:57:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:57:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AaroneousAG@aol.com Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:56:52 EDT Subject: re: New York Loopfest To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <80.11a466cf.28ff2064@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Gnu Yawk Loopers! I'd like to weigh in on the loop fest thingy. I think it's important to have a name that will draw an audience. If we can't get someone like Eliott Sharp or David Torn, maybe we should consider a venue other than the Knitting Factory. They've taken a big hit by being closed for almost 2 weeks, and they'd been struggling up until then, with many of the staff staying there "for the love". They might not be in a position to take a chance if we can't guarantee a draw, at least in the main space. The Old Office is an option, but if we were to do that, we might as well go straight to Tonic, who would probably be more receptive anyway. Another option is to rent a loft space for a night and charge admission - DUMBO maybe? My roomate is a video projection artist who loops in the visual spectrum. Maybe we can expand the theme beyond audio, and make a REPETITION FEST, where we could have photo montage artwork on the walls, looped video on the ceilings, and looped music all around. Whatever we do, it seems the kickoff date has been pushed back a little bit, so everybody get practicing! If we can really have everyone playing at their best, maybe we can be catalysts for an increased interest in looping; by critics, by audiences, and (eventually) by audio manufacturers. What I mean is, stop worrying about what your faceplate looks like, and start worrying about what YOU sound like. Because if you can show people just how much creativity can come from one musician when hooked up to these devices, everyone's gonna want to get one, and once those flood gates are open, lookout! This site is gonna need some motha' fuckin BANDWIDTH! Now, lets go blow some minds. aaroneous P.S. Anyone who needs help (Tom!) can email me off list. I won't be much help official contact-wise, but could definitely get the loft space thing together . . . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 14:08:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04055; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:07:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:07:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008a01c15736$59dd2440$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: Subject: Re: new york loopfest Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:05:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <8C0Zy.A.s-.2icz7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Ritchford > I'm going to throw out questions and my best answers to them. > > 1. a series or a single concert or...? > > My vote is decidedly for a single show (to start). > > If we do a series, we'll spread the crowd out over > multiple dates. > > If we want to get the largest possible crowd for our first > outing, we should get them to come all on one night. I'm for the single show. > 2. start small and go to bigger venues? > > I'm agin' it too. > > I think we should try to book the *largest* possible venue > we can. If that fails we can always try for smaller spaces. > > Reason: a big space gives us instant credibility. A big > space means a higher ticket price, more spectators, a better > chance of not losing money.(*) Sounds good. > 3. Lots of acts? > > I still think we should try to fit a lot of acts in. > > Each act brings their own crowd with them. And, I might > show up to see three acts that I'd kind of heard about > when I might not show up to see one (on the theory that > ONE of them might be good!) > > I'm not sure how to decide on who plays, though. > > There definitely needs to be priority given to > "headliners" (honest draws like dt) and people > from out-of-town (who are coming a great way > to be there and are also draws). > > I'd tend to favour some sort of voting system > if there's any sort of dispute, though. > > Let's hope we can resolve the issue of the bill > simply -- we were going quite nicely before! Let's find out who's going to play first! Here is an old list. Are all these people still interested? > 4. When? > > If you remember my last email, it looks as if > there needs to be approximately a two-month lead > time. We could cut this down somewhat but two months > seems about right. > > So let's shoot for early in the New Year... or am > I being too conservative? Jan./Feb. sounds right. > 5. Where? > > 5.1. The Knitting Factory. > Clearly the top candidate, we have some contacts there, > and they are the premiere space in the city for "this > sort of thing". > 5.2. Chashama > I know I mentioned them before and discarded them because > they didn't have a PA -- but they are expanding and I was > told that they do have some sort of PA there. > > They have the big advantage that they have a great location > (42nd St near Times Square!) and that they apparently don't > mind doing things that are experimental and lose money. > > I know some people there too, will roust them today. > > > 5.3. Galapagos. > I don't know if they actually have a PA there in their > back room but I'd believe so. I think so. > Advantages: large space; open to this sort of thing; > we have some contacts there. > Disadvantages: Brooklyn. Quite in demand. Not very good acoustics. > > > 5.4. Any other suggestions? > > Let me know if other venues come to mind! > > > 6. How to proceed? > > 6.1. Tell me if you are interested (again)! I'm in. > 6.2. I'll contact my Chashama contacts by email and see how to proceed. > 6.3. When I have my voice back, I'll call dt. > 6.4. I'll report to you folks as to the progress! Thanks Tom. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 14:14:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04492; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:13:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:13:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003c01c15737$3bca0e40$0601a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: Subject: Re: faux rack units Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 11:12:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <-tgneD.A.qFB.Wocz7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's them! Thanks Richard. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 10:36 AM Subject: Re: faux rack units > At 10:11 AM -0700 10/17/01, Allan Hoeltje wrote: > >Someone needs to start making faux rack units. 1 and 2 rack space panels > >with cool, "this guy is a rock star" blinking lights and big knobs that go > >up to eleven. > > http://www.funklogic.com/mainfunk.htm > > > > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 14:25:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05044; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:24:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:24:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011017103041.02bddc18@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 11:19:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011016233400.04a234f8@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20011016105714.02602a50@loopers-delight.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20011015154813.01ecefb0@mail.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20011016105714.02602a50@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20011016233400.04a234f8@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:46 AM 10/17/2001, Tom Ritchford wrote: >>it always comes from somebody who's never actually done such a project. > >Well, I have done such projects. Check my resume. http://TomRitchford.com. I checked but didn't see much that looked like full consumer electronics product development for specialty markets other than a 6 month stint in the mid 80's working on a guitar synth and a couple years doing an OS for a pocket computer, but even then you were just dealing with the programming as far as your resume indicates. Looks like you mostly do high level programming for internet applications and financial services companies. I don't see how that would give you any experience to know the details of how a faceplate on a piece of rack gear really goes from concept to shipping. Maybe I missed something, but it seems to me like that kinda makes my point. It always seems easy from the point of view of people who have never done it. (BTW, you have spelling and grammar errors on your resume.) now, if Harvey were disagreeing with me, I could respect that because I know he's been through this stuff a lot more than me. >>>That's a really good designer and a lot of time and that's only >>>$5000. That might get you one MONTH of a decent software >>>engineer and no QA person at all. >> >>and >> >>>If two programmers and two engineers worked on the unit for two years >>>and cost $60,000 each a year (including FICA, benefits and all -- this >>>is below market rates) then the whole thing cost 2*2*2*$60,000 >>>or $480,000 which means that each of these dozen features cost >>>$40,000 to make. >> >>uh, what decade are you talking about? You have to go to the third world >>to find good embedded real-time software engineers or good dsp engineers >>or good hardware engineers who work that cheap. Maybe you can get >>somebody who writes windows apps or java script for that price, but the >>salary paid for specialized skills and experience you need for developing >>something like the EDP are at least double that. Where I live it's even >>higher. for good contractors, you're talking $150 - $300/hour. > >Yes, of course, I write computer code myself. > >I deliberately chose low-ball numbers to be unfair to my own argument... >so that I'd get a number you couldn't possibly dispute as being too high. > >If I used realistic numbers, you'd get something like 1 feature == $100,000. > >and then my argument would go: "by that measure, you should be >willing to spend $100,000 on design". > >I imagine that result would have been even less attractive to you. I guess I don't get your argument. You don't have that much money to play with in this business, that is the point. If you need 4 engineers for 2 years at $120k/yr salary and benefits, that's close to $1M right there without even paying office rent or the costs to ramp up production. That's a big R&D bill for a tiny business in a tiny market. You don't have resources, so you have to make choices. No outcome will be ideal, you just have to do your best with what you've got available. If you cut one engineer in order to pay for professionally done visual design, you might never finish the product at all and find yourself really far in debt. If you keep the engineers and get one of their girlfriends to do the graphics for nothing and take whatever result you can get, well, at least you got the product done. And the last thing your gonna do, is divert those people from the current project in order to redo the graphics on the last one just because somebody who isn't going to buy it anyway didn't care for the logo. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 14:27:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05288; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:26:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:26:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 11:21:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: faux rack units Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <58tdID.A.WPB.5zcz7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 10:11 AM -0700 10/17/01, Allan Hoeltje wrote: >>Someone needs to start making faux rack units. 1 and 2 rack space panels >>with cool, "this guy is a rock star" blinking lights and big knobs that go >>up to eleven. ah shit, i thought that's what my MoFx was for!!! you mean it actually DOES something?!? rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 14:58:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06630; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:57:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:57:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BCDD43B.63D77652@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 11:59:47 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT design vs programming? References: <2B502ECC-C254-11D5-9771-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tom Ritchford wrote: > No insult intended, Mark, but visual design takes a lot less > background to get right than hardware or software engineering. > It's, er, easier.... um, sorry? this seems like a really silly statement. following your line of reasoning i suppose you could say that learning to play the violin really well is much easier than "getting it right" in hardware or software engineering. everybody thinks what they do is challenging and requires the years of study and experience they have put into it. i have been in the design field longer than you have been a professional programmer (btw, i checked out your resume. very impressive, but not very well designed). i have worked on all manner of projects, from comprehensive wayfinding programs for cities and airports, through large and small-scale corporate identity, packaging and book design. i've designed exhibits, retail showrooms and custom furniture; created environmental graphics for large-scale multi-venue sporting events and developed color palettes for auto manufacturers. heck, i've even designed custom high-end textiles for major corporate boardrooms and 12-color venetian terrazzo floors for saks fifth avenue. right now i'm prototyping my own line of furniture, on top of running a full-time graphic design studio, which i've been doing for the last eight years. most of these projects have required working as a member of a team, adding "more complexity and risk" in your words. it is always challenging, and when i feel i am doing my best it is very gratifying. "good" design like "good" programming, requires much more depth of involvement than what you characterize. it is well you are able to design simple web sites. generally the simpler the better, especially with that medium, though the tools available today for such work often obscure the difference between fair looking stuff and excellent design. i can also pick up a stradivarius and get a decent tone. but REALLY PLAYING it is something else and, to paraphrase your words, even though i may know what i want it to sound like, i couldn't possibly "implement it in a guaranteed flawless fashion". design is no different. respectful apologies for the rant. lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 15:09:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08493; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:08:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:08:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <008a01c15736$59dd2440$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> References: <008a01c15736$59dd2440$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:05:02 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: new york loopfest Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com here's the previous list of people: http://extremeNY.com/loop/people.html lemme know if you are 1. on this list and nothing has changed. 2. not on this list and wish to be. 3. on this list and wish not to be. there's no need for you to do anything if you don't get this mail(*), I'll eventually remove the missing individuals from the list. /t (* -- and I know that you read slowly, that's why I'm not typing so fast...) http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 15:11:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08585; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:09:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:09:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 12:08:37 -0700 From: Doug Lawrence Subject: Oberheim GM-1000 In-reply-to: <3BCDD43B.63D77652@earthlink.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <0TMX7.A.mEC.0cdz7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anybody check out the Oberheim GM-1000 guitar effects processor? It seems to be a great unit for the price at musicyo.com. I'm especially interested in the stereo Tap Delay and Pitch Shifting functions (as used with bass) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 15:21:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09309; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:20:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:20:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AALev123@aol.com Message-ID: <72.1172e6a0.28ff339e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:18:54 EDT Subject: Repeater: next loop, midi control? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_72.1172e6a0.28ff339e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_72.1172e6a0.28ff339e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Okay. I recorded a clean part on loop one and then a dirty rhythm part on loop 2. Hoping to be able to solo over both parts I set up a volume pedal to send out cc#96 (loop select up) but when I step on the pedal I am transported all the way to empty loop # 3................What the F@*#......................My guess is that this has something to do with the LSB/MSB stuff which I don't understand--in particular I don't know if the LSB/MSB stuff can be implemented with the DMC ground control controller. Any one? thank you in advance for your responses. --part1_72.1172e6a0.28ff339e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Okay. I recorded a clean part on loop one and then a dirty rhythm part on loop 2. Hoping to be able to solo over both parts I set up a volume pedal to send out cc#96 (loop select up) but when I step on the pedal I am transported all the way to empty loop # 3................What the F@*#......................My guess is that this has something to do with the LSB/MSB stuff which I don't understand--in particular I don't know if the LSB/MSB stuff can be implemented with the DMC ground control controller. Any one? thank you in advance for your responses.   --part1_72.1172e6a0.28ff339e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 15:38:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09995; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:37:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:37:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:35:50 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: faux rack units To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <015b01c15742$edad9a40$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the THIEVES! maybe i should try to partner with them... > At 10:11 AM -0700 10/17/01, Allan Hoeltje wrote: > >Someone needs to start making faux rack units. 1 and 2 rack space panels > >with cool, "this guy is a rock star" blinking lights and big knobs that go > >up to eleven. > > http://www.funklogic.com/mainfunk.htm > > > > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 15:51:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10694; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:49:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:49:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:48:15 -0400 Subject: Re: faux rack units From: "scott@tapehissrecordings.com" To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm waiting for VST Plugin versions. ;) on 10/17/01 1:36 PM, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote: > At 10:11 AM -0700 10/17/01, Allan Hoeltje wrote: >> Someone needs to start making faux rack units. 1 and 2 rack space panels >> with cool, "this guy is a rock star" blinking lights and big knobs that go >> up to eleven. > > http://www.funklogic.com/mainfunk.htm > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 16:23:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13250; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 16:21:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 16:21:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009201c15749$9757d730$8645230a@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011016105714.02602a50@loopers-delight.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20011015154813.01ecefb0@mail.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20011016105714.02602a50@loopers-delight.com> <3.0.6.32.20011017092242.00d0f450@crash.cts.com> Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 16:23:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you, Kim, Mathias, et. al. for being in the music business!!! Love, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harvey Starr" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 12:22 PM Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? > Kim, I've got to hand it to you for having the patience to answer these > questions. People don't know what it's about until spent a month re-writing > code that was supposed to take only a week tops while being sidetracked > because someone decided to use anodized screws to make a ground connection > or a silscreen was mis-registered or a PCB run was over-etched or an > assembler mis-read an assembly drawing or your shop compressor blew a > head-gasket or the paint mfg discontinued your paint and the replacement > isn't compatible with your already primed parts or your 2nd-source mfg of > an IC discontinued production and the main source now has a 2K pc. minimum > or there are no memory chips or tantalum caps because the cell phone > industry has swallowed them all... et al... and to think you could be paid > 3 times as much to write an embedded guidance system for a cruise missile > and take long sushi/sake lunches and paid vacations. But the music biz is > so glamorous... > -hs > > > > >>>Sadly, we now don't have enough money after that to pay for another > >>>software engineer and software QA person that we desperately need. > >> > >>You have a dramatically exaggerated idea what the cost of design is, > >>particularly once amortized out over a lot of cases. > > > >well, I do this for a living, but maybe I'm full of crap. > > > > > >>I'm sure you could get a designer to do a really nice front > >>panel design in perhaps 50 hours of work at $100 an hour. > > > >it's funny how I go through this so often in my professional life. > > > >"It's simple!" > >"it only costs $x!" > >"it will only take a few days of work!" > > > >it always comes from somebody who's never actually done such a project. > >Then somebody experienced in the field who actually has to do the work > >says, "no it will take more than that, it is not so simple." That person > >gets shouted down because nobody wants to hear that doom and gloom story of > >reality. Fantasy project management is so much more fun! Of course, > >somehow you never get to say "I told you so" later when the project is a > >complete fucking disaster. but that's how it goes, my life is a dilbert > >cartoon. > > > > > >>That's a really good designer and a lot of time and that's only > >>$5000. That might get you one MONTH of a decent software > >>engineer and no QA person at all. > > > >and > > > >>If two programmers and two engineers worked on the unit for two years > >>and cost $60,000 each a year (including FICA, benefits and all -- this > >>is below market rates) then the whole thing cost 2*2*2*$60,000 > >>or $480,000 which means that each of these dozen features cost > >>$40,000 to make. > > > >uh, what decade are you talking about? You have to go to the third world to > >find good embedded real-time software engineers or good dsp engineers or > >good hardware engineers who work that cheap. Maybe you can get somebody who > >writes windows apps or java script for that price, but the salary paid for > >specialized skills and experience you need for developing something like > >the EDP are at least double that. Where I live it's even higher. for good > >contractors, you're talking $150 - $300/hour. > > > > > >>The EDP had to have SOME sort of front panel design made up > >>and something was printed on it. That had to cost you something. > > > >no, not really. I did it myself because I believed design was important, > >much as you and Mark have been saying, and other people didn't. Mostly I > >did it in my spare time, but I didn't get paid much anyway in those days so > >it probably wouldn't have made a difference. I used the copies of > >illustrator and quark and the large font library I had "borrowed" from the > >printing company I worked at during college. I used the typesetting and > >page layout skills I had acquired during that job as best I could. I think > >we spent about $25 to get films done at a service bureau for the silk > >screen. There ya go, do it on the cheap or don't do it at all. Hate to > >burst you guy's bubbles, but that's the way things get done in the little > >niches of the music industry. > > > >G-Wiz was a small new division then. There wasn't a big budget, there > >weren't many people working there, and the echoplex was the bottom odd-ball > >project of the pile. the FAR synth, ZIPI, Infinity controller - those were > >the glamor projects that got what there was of the attention, the budgets, > >the resources. The ugly duckling looper project seemed like a long shot. > >This was before the jamman even, so nobody really was sure what to think of > >the idea. I liked it though, so I worked on it. Or I was assigned to it > >because I was the lowest guy there. The Echoplex amazed us all by being one > >of the few things that actually made it to a real product, and continues to > >live long after g-wiz died. That is true because of determination and > >getting things done by any means you can find. > > > > > > > >>>yet another fiscal reality check: these are small companies doing this. > >>>Tiny companies really. Or maybe tiny divisions of small companies. > >>>Usually just 3 or 4 underpaid people tops, without sufficient budget. > >>>There is not a lot of capital available. There is not a large market > >>>available. There will not be a large return for your investment. You have > >>>to manage these issues to make money. In fact, you will be lucky not to > >>>lose money. You make choices. > >> > >>but it's an inferior choice to drop graphic design entirely, particularly > >>since you can get something really quite nice really quite cheaply. > > > >in my opinion, we did get something nice for cheap. Just some people are > >real picky is all. It could have been worse, we could have used Matthias' > >design. ;-) > > > > > >>you have a major opportunity on your hands! > >> > >>Why not take the opportunity NOW that you are coming out > >>with a new revision of the machine to call it "EDP 2"?! > >> > >>You can put a new coat of paint on the face, call it > >>version II, and everyone will look at it again, even > >>people who knew about it before. > >> > >>It'd boost flagging sales, it'd encourage people who > >>already had one to get another, it'd boost people who > >>are turned on to looping by the Repeater to look > >>at a very different alternative. > > > >in fact, that has been my plan for a long time. I love deceptive marketing > >and sales tricks. Probably all we need to add is a pointy read bubble with > >"New and Improved!" in the middle. Or maybe the Digital Pro Plus XL? > > > > > >>black and silver and white, that simple sort of thing, > >>real typesetting, and it'll be done in a flash. > > > >Not pink and purple? haha... I'm still waiting for an explanation of which > >parts of my typesetting are not real. did I get the kerning wrong somewhere? > > > >kim > > > > > >_______________________________________________________________ _______ > >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > > > > http://www.starrlabs.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 16:34:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13907; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 16:33:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 16:33:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:29:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: faux rack units Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Or fake front panels for Reason! >I'm waiting for VST Plugin versions. > >;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 16:38:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14243; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 16:37:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 16:37:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: From: "p koniuto" Subject: RE: Re: faux rack units Message-Id: <171001290.49006@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:36:47 -0700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There've been people faking Reason on this list for years. -peter >--- Original Message --- >From: rich >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Date: 10/17/01 4:29:25 PM > >Or fake front panels for Reason! > > >>I'm waiting for VST Plugin versions. >> >>;) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 16:59:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16269; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 16:59:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 16:59:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 16:58:30 -0400 Subject: Re: NYC loop fest From: kenn lowy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200110171804.OAA03853@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com tom, i am interested. here are my thoughts: as for myself, my setup is a little complicated. it would take me 30 minutes to set up. i assume my situation is not unique. so we need to keep this in mind. a large stage (with several artists set up in advance) is a good way to go. perhaps a long show where people can come and go as they wish. with one or two intermissions for several more artists to set up. as far as the location, times square is not (IMHO) a good location. we'll all be bringing equipment, and parking in times square? i vote for the knitting factory. easy to get to (even now). january time frame works for me (especially since i'm currently recovering from shoulder surgery) onward ho! kenn lowy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 17:28:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17473; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 17:27:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 17:27:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BCDF757.156122C0@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:30:00 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Ritchford , "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: OT design vs programming? References: <2B502ECC-C254-11D5-9771-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> <3BCDD43B.63D77652@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <33Jn4C.A._PE.odfz7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tom Ritchford wrote: > >this seems like a really silly statement. following your line of > >reasoning i suppose you could say that learning to play the violin > >really well is much easier than "getting it right" in hardware or > >software engineering. > > Er, no. > > The reason design is much easier than software is several-fold. > > 1. *Most* software projects fail to generate ANY software that actually > functions at all (forget about whether it's GOOD software). > > It's very rare for design to not function at all (ie, you forget > the name of the book on your cover). > > This is why it's hard -- because you might fail. there are many ways to define failure. most of the design i see fails in one aspect or another. i think we're all concerned with that. programmers aren't the only ones... > secondarily: > > 2. The amount of study and learning required just to keep up > in engineering is daunting and vast. > > If I stopped reading and researching for three years, I'd > be unemployable. I spend at least 10 hours a week, week in and > week out, studying just to keep up with the field. > > Now, I know a lot of designers, a heck of a lot of designers! > and none of them have to swot like that. i know an awful lot myself, and most of 'em work really long hours. so maybe the sweat is applied differently. you're in a technologically-intensive field, and you need to keep up with the pace of technology. my brother is a neurobiologist, and he has to study more than you to keep up in his field, but i put in just as many hours a week as he does, and to learn to work in the various modalities that i've had the opportunity to work in requires a *heck* of a lot of learning! though no one is publishing textbooks or manuals on the subject... > Sure, they read > design magazines and get books on the subject but generally > they can keep plying their skills without any research. yeah, those skills are innate, and when designers aren't flexing them we just sip lattes and scan a few issues of domus :-) > > Photoshop still has the same features it did three years ago. > It wouldn't take you more than a day to learn what's changed. sure, though i think a *day* might leave you wanting; but the complexity of the tool has incredibly little to do with the quality of the end product. > > Quark has barely changed at all. neither has the echoplex. but i still find new ways of using it. this is complexity on the human side. > (And frankly, most of the top designers I've met have no > particular mastery of their tools -- they have worked up > a good design sense, is all...) what does it mean to "work up a good design sense"? as far as being "top designers" with no mastery of their tools, well, i doubt they'd be tops in my book. > > I hasten to add: > > 1. Mastering the violin is hard by any definition. agreed. but to use your arguments as to why programming is harder than design, has the violin changed much lately? and how many publications and manuals are required reading to keep up one's practice on it? and what happens if you *fail*? i suppose you don't get the job at the philharmonic...so you end up waiting tables, or programming software, or doing graphic design... > 2. Just because one discipline is harder than another > doesn't mean that there's any moral virtue attached > to it. i agree. absolutely. but i don't think you can argue about the relative difficulty of a discipline unless you've actually done it (and i don't think your forays into web design qualify you any more than kim's working out the faceplate design of the edp qualifies him as a graphic designer- no dis to kim...i LIKE the way my edp stands out in the rack! even if the four plastic knobs on the function pots ARE a bit cheap (my only real quibble)...:-) > > 3. If I need something designed, I get a designer! > Which was where I started in this long thread. any profession or craft has potential for mastery or mediocrity. if i need something programmed i'll get a programmer, but i'll damn well look for a good one! lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 17:30:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17631; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 17:28:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 17:28:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c15752$72244940$0601a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: Subject: Re: Oberheim GM-1000 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:26:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I remember reading a good review in Guitar Shop ages ago- and that price! Wow. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lawrence" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 12:08 PM Subject: Oberheim GM-1000 > > Anybody check out the Oberheim GM-1000 guitar effects processor? It seems to > be a great unit for the price at musicyo.com. > > I'm especially interested in the stereo Tap Delay and Pitch Shifting > functions (as used with bass) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 17:52:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18973; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 17:51:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 17:51:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <042401c15756$f9d0cfe0$35f0d33f@oemcomputer> From: "petr" To: "Doug Lawrence" , References: Subject: Re: Oberheim GM-1000 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:59:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A while ago I purchased its younger brother, GM-400. I was disappointed and returned it. Too short delay (I think it's the same in both versions, about 1.7 sec if I recollect correctly), no preamp. I did not like the footcontroller either. It has a custom designed connector, which you have to screw on each time you connect/disconnect (very impractical for gigging). GM-1000 has a few more things in comparison to GM-400, for the price it seems good, depending on what you need. If you don't have a preamp for your guitar, you need to add that money to the price. On the other hand, since it does not have the preamp, it can be used in other settings too, besides guitar routing. I got Digitech 2120 instead, which has 10 seconds of delay, Time Warp, and great preamp. petr > Anybody check out the Oberheim GM-1000 guitar effects processor? It seems to > be a great unit for the price at musicyo.com. > > I'm especially interested in the stereo Tap Delay and Pitch Shifting > functions (as used with bass) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 17:59:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18684; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 17:47:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 17:47:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: THusken@aol.com Message-ID: <7b.1cc15202.28ff564e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 17:46:54 EDT Subject: Re: faux rack units To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7b.1cc15202.28ff564e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10540 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_7b.1cc15202.28ff564e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ...now I really have seen everything! ha ha --part1_7b.1cc15202.28ff564e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ...now I really have seen everything!  ha ha --part1_7b.1cc15202.28ff564e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 18:07:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22269; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:06:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:06:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BCE00C1.A5F0DEAE@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:05:53 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater: next loop, midi control? References: <72.1172e6a0.28ff339e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not sure about that one, as I've been using the pc#s (I think it's pc#5 and 6) to do loop up and down and it works fine. Could it be a wonky pedal? Mark AALev123@aol.com wrote: > Okay. I recorded a clean part on loop one and then a dirty rhythm part > on loop 2. Hoping to be able to solo over both parts I set up a volume > pedal to send out cc#96 (loop select up) but when I step on the pedal > I am transported all the way to empty loop # 3................What the > F@*#......................My guess is that this has something to do > with the LSB/MSB stuff which I don't understand--in particular I don't > know if the LSB/MSB stuff can be implemented with the DMC ground > control controller. Any one? thank you in advance for your responses. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 18:27:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23215; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:20:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:20:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011017181420.007ef260@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:14:20 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Oberheim GM-1000 In-Reply-To: References: <3BCDD43B.63D77652@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Eeeyewww! It's an icky beige color! It can't POSSIBLY sound good! :-) -t (a graphic artist who likes the way the EDP looks but isn't so crazy about Z Vex paint jobs. I know, I'm gonna get lynched for that one...) At 12:08 PM 10/17/01 -0700, you wrote: > >Anybody check out the Oberheim GM-1000 guitar effects processor? It seems to >be a great unit for the price at musicyo.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 18:28:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23758; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:27:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:27:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BCE05A9.A0B57A7F@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:26:49 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers Subject: Re: OT design vs programming? References: <2B502ECC-C254-11D5-9771-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> <3BCDD43B.63D77652@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0-ek9B.A.oxF.yWgz7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com lance glover wrote: > Tom Ritchford wrote: > > > No insult intended, Mark, but visual design takes a lot less > > background to get right than hardware or software engineering. > > It's, er, easier.... > > um, sorry? > i have > been in the design field longer than you have been a professional > programmer (btw, i checked out your resume. very impressive, but not > very well designed). Ha ha. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 18:34:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24143; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:33:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:33:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BCE0704.1C8D47FD@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:32:36 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers Subject: Re: OT design vs programming? References: <2B502ECC-C254-11D5-9771-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> <3BCDD43B.63D77652@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dude, that stuff is so easy. I do most of that stuff before breakfast. I could design a new EDP too, but I don't want to. Mark lance glover wrote: > Tom Ritchford wrote: > > > No insult intended, Mark, but visual design takes a lot less > > background to get right than hardware or software engineering. > > It's, er, easier.... > > um, sorry? > > this seems like a really silly statement. following your line of > reasoning i suppose you could say that learning to play the violin > really well is much easier than "getting it right" in hardware or > software engineering. everybody thinks what they do is challenging and > requires the years of study and experience they have put into it. i have > been in the design field longer than you have been a professional > programmer (btw, i checked out your resume. very impressive, but not > very well designed). i have worked on all manner of projects, from > comprehensive wayfinding programs for cities and airports, through large > and small-scale corporate identity, packaging and book design. i've > designed exhibits, retail showrooms and custom furniture; created > environmental graphics for large-scale multi-venue sporting events and > developed color palettes for auto manufacturers. heck, i've even > designed custom high-end textiles for major corporate boardrooms and > 12-color venetian terrazzo floors for saks fifth avenue. right now i'm > prototyping my own line of furniture, on top of running a full-time > graphic design studio, which i've been doing for the last eight years. > > most of these projects have required working as a member of a team, > adding "more complexity and risk" in your words. it is always > challenging, and when i feel i am doing my best it is very gratifying. > "good" design like "good" programming, requires much more depth of > involvement than what you characterize. it is well you are able to > design simple web sites. generally the simpler the better, especially > with that medium, though the tools available today for such work often > obscure the difference between fair looking stuff and excellent design. > i can also pick up a stradivarius and get a decent tone. but REALLY > PLAYING it is something else and, to paraphrase your words, even though > i may know what i want it to sound like, i couldn't possibly "implement > it in a guaranteed flawless fashion". design is no different. > > respectful apologies for the rant. > > lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 18:41:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24599; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:40:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:40:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BCE08DA.E62A9F44@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:44:58 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Oberheim GM-1000 References: <3BCDD43B.63D77652@earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20011017181420.007ef260@pop.metrocast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2oid7C.A.EAG.Ljgz7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim Nelson wrote: > Eeeyewww! It's an icky beige color! It can't POSSIBLY sound good! :-) > > -t (a graphic artist who likes the way the EDP looks but isn't so crazy > about Z Vex paint jobs. I know, I'm gonna get lynched for that one...) > > At 12:08 PM 10/17/01 -0700, you wrote: > > > >Anybody check out the Oberheim GM-1000 guitar effects processor? It seems to > >be a great unit for the price at musicyo.com. a zvex story. my 8-year old daughter and i walked into a local music store the other day (trutone music in santa monica- a great place) and there were a bunch of zvex pedals in the display case. "what's a super hard-on?" she askes me...right in front of one of the salespeople. "uh, some kind of distortion effect, i think..." was my feeble response. thank god she didn't ask about the fuzz probe! lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 18:44:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24882; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:44:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:44:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BCE0984.196ED60@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:43:16 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011016215936.049f5ec8@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Now that's funny. How about an old Atari 2600esque look? I think retrotech could be a good way to go for the EDP. Kim Flint wrote: > At 04:09 PM 10/16/2001, Gilmore wrote: > >you guys have got to be kidding me. I usually scuff up my gear to make it > >look MORE ghetto! i like that the Echoplex looks like a specialty product > >made in someone's garage. in fact i'd prefer that the lettering was > >hand-written, preferably with knobs that don't match each other. > > you would probably like the early prototype faceplates. We hadn't decided > yet what some of the buttons and parameters would be called, so I filled in > the spots with words from old video games. So we had functions like > HyperSpace, Shields, Torpedoes, etc. Unfortunately the design changed from > there, so those don't fit on the real production design. I rescued a bunch > of them out of a trash bin when Oberheim was shut down years ago and still > have them somewhere in my garage. I'll have to put some pics of them up on LD. > > funny story, one of those prototypes was stolen out of a hotel room at the > Summer NAMM in 1994, a few months before we shipped. Sure enough, shortly > after shipping somebody called up Oberheim wondering if they could get a > manual. The clever guy answering figured out it was the thief and asked > them if they had figured out what the hyperspace button did. -click- :-) > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 18:58:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25625; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:56:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:56:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BCE0C95.459647E2@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:56:24 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT design vs programming? References: <2B502ECC-C254-11D5-9771-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> <3BCDD43B.63D77652@earthlink.net> <3BCE0704.1C8D47FD@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Dude, that stuff is so easy. I do most of that stuff before breakfast. I > could design a new EDP too, but I don't want to. > > Mark > you're right, mark, it is way too easy. btw do you want a job? if my office hired you i could finally retire and spend my millions on a yacht sipping rum smoothies in the lesser antilles while you slave away finishing all my assignments before breakfast. just don't get any sweat on my stuff, ok? :-) lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 19:08:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25619; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:56:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:56:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BCE0C6C.6FA71A66@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:55:40 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? References: <2B502ECC-C254-11D5-9771-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> <3BCCB0CB.8E5471F5@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not going there. Matthias Grob wrote: > > > >http://fortNY.com isn't very good. It's an image with some centered > >text. I wouldn't call it horrible, but it's amature, for sure. It > >looks like an hour job. Sometimes that's all a client can afford, but > >it doesn't change anything. Makes me think the same of the club. Now, > >look at http://www.knittingfactory.com/ It's a pro job. I'm not saying > >it's the best, but one look and I can see that time, care, and money > >went into it. > > As an amateur, I do not see this difference, I rather like fortNY.com better... > What do you think of Aurisis.com? > -- > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 19:13:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27319; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:07:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:07:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3BCDF757.156122C0@earthlink.net> References: <2B502ECC-C254-11D5-9771-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> <3BCDD43B.63D77652@earthlink.net> <3BCDF757.156122C0@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 16:03:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: OT design vs programming? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Photoshop still has the same features it did three years ago. > > It wouldn't take you more than a day to learn what's changed. what is this? pick on designer week? i'm not sure who wrote the above statement, but that is one of the most asinine things i've heard here in a long time. yes, little difference between late 4.0/early 5.0 to version 6... yeah, to the home user sending shitty RGB jpegs of his kids to grandma. Come on over to my place, where color fidelity is a must, and you show me how you can grasp the concept of ICC profiles across multiple clients, output devices and color spaces in one day and i'll be putting my kneepads on. and that's just color. type control has completely been updated and redesigned, as well as web control, adjustment layers, etc. You think people bought the upgrades for the fun of it? Photoshop is as big an iceberg as our 'easy to use' EDP. It's a wonderful tool that people can use simply, but it runs very deep, and blowing that kindof smoke is incredibly disrespectful to people who have to keep up with it and put their money where their mouth is EVERY DAY. i guess that's why my clients have been calling me all the time for the last 3 years saying "how the hell do i do this?" and to those same clients, i am often referred to as an 'expert', or a 'photoshop wizard'. with the vast diversity and power of this program, i consider myself a pretty good hack. disappointedly yours, rich > > > Quark has barely changed at all. uh, huh...same here. earn your paycheck doing this stuff, or give it a break, please? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 19:25:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28330; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:24:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:24:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BCE12C5.2C880FE0@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 16:22:44 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers Subject: Re: OT design vs programming? References: <2B502ECC-C254-11D5-9771-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> <3BCDD43B.63D77652@earthlink.net> <3BCDF757.156122C0@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2dXkzB.A.k5G.RLhz7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, maybe software is really easy, and you're just not very good at it, so it seems hard to you. ;) lance glover wrote: > Tom Ritchford wrote: > > > >this seems like a really silly statement. following your line of > > >reasoning i suppose you could say that learning to play the violin > > >really well is much easier than "getting it right" in hardware or > > >software engineering. > > > > Er, no. > > > > The reason design is much easier than software is several-fold. > > > > 1. *Most* software projects fail to generate ANY software that actually > > functions at all (forget about whether it's GOOD software). > > > > It's very rare for design to not function at all (ie, you forget > > the name of the book on your cover). > > > > This is why it's hard -- because you might fail. > > there are many ways to define failure. most of the design i see fails in > one aspect or another. i think we're all concerned with that. programmers > aren't the only ones... > > > secondarily: > > > > 2. The amount of study and learning required just to keep up > > in engineering is daunting and vast. > > > > If I stopped reading and researching for three years, I'd > > be unemployable. I spend at least 10 hours a week, week in and > > week out, studying just to keep up with the field. > > > > Now, I know a lot of designers, a heck of a lot of designers! > > and none of them have to swot like that. > > i know an awful lot myself, and most of 'em work really long hours. so > maybe the sweat is applied differently. you're in a > technologically-intensive field, and you need to keep up with the pace of > technology. my brother is a neurobiologist, and he has to study more than > you to keep up in his field, but i put in just as many hours a week as he > does, and to learn to work in the various modalities that i've had the > opportunity to work in requires a *heck* of a lot of learning! though no > one is publishing textbooks or manuals on the subject... > > > Sure, they read > > design magazines and get books on the subject but generally > > they can keep plying their skills without any research. > > yeah, those skills are innate, and when designers aren't flexing them we > just sip lattes and scan a few issues of domus :-) > > > > > Photoshop still has the same features it did three years ago. > > It wouldn't take you more than a day to learn what's changed. > > sure, though i think a *day* might leave you wanting; but the complexity > of the tool has incredibly little to do with the quality of the end > product. > > > > > Quark has barely changed at all. > > neither has the echoplex. but i still find new ways of using it. this is > complexity on the human side. > > > (And frankly, most of the top designers I've met have no > > particular mastery of their tools -- they have worked up > > a good design sense, is all...) > > what does it mean to "work up a good design sense"? as far as being "top > designers" with no mastery of their tools, well, i doubt they'd be tops in > my book. > > > > > I hasten to add: > > > > 1. Mastering the violin is hard by any definition. > > agreed. but to use your arguments as to why programming is harder than > design, has the violin changed much lately? and how many publications and > manuals are required reading to keep up one's practice on it? and what > happens if you *fail*? i suppose you don't get the job at the > philharmonic...so you end up waiting tables, or programming software, or > doing graphic design... > > > 2. Just because one discipline is harder than another > > doesn't mean that there's any moral virtue attached > > to it. > > i agree. absolutely. but i don't think you can argue about the relative > difficulty of a discipline unless you've actually done it (and i don't > think your forays into web design qualify you any more than kim's working > out the faceplate design of the edp qualifies him as a graphic designer- > no dis to kim...i LIKE the way my edp stands out in the rack! even if the > four plastic knobs on the function pots ARE a bit cheap (my only real > quibble)...:-) > > > > > 3. If I need something designed, I get a designer! > > Which was where I started in this long thread. > > any profession or craft has potential for mastery or mediocrity. if i need > something programmed i'll get a programmer, but i'll damn well look for a > good one! > > lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 19:52:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29276; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:46:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:46:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 16:42:44 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Travis Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0mZ2KC.A.uIH.Eghz7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Well, I have done such projects. Check my resume. http://TomRitchford.com. I have to take it all back--after looking at the design of your resume, I must conclude you are definitely the man to make the front of the EDP look exciting. TH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 21:36:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02546; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 21:24:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 21:24:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BCDBEC7.2C0E43F8@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 17:24:23 +0000 From: joe & sheila Reply-To: onelonecrow@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Try this.. http://funklogic.com/ Allan Hoeltje wrote: > Someone needs to start making faux rack units. 1 and 2 rack space panels > with cool, "this guy is a rock star" blinking lights and big knobs that go > up to eleven. That way you just keep all your midi controled real gear off > stage where it can't be hit by flying beer bottles and such. No R&D budget > would be necessary, just marketing, and every Guitar Center would stock > them. Actually, they ought to be bigger than normal rack units so they can > be seen from the back row. > > My EDP and my butt ugly Walter Woods amp are the two most beautiful things I > own. > > -Allan > > on 10/16/01 7:54 PM, Tim Nelson at tnelson@metrocast.net wrote: > > > At 10:37 PM 10/16/01 EDT, you wrote: > >> ..here's my problem.....if i > >> fiddle with the knobs, i have to turn my back to the audiance and if i have > >> the boxes towards me the audiance can not see the lites, the true source of > >> "coolness" for all equipment... > > > > You could wear a suit that's covered in mirrors... > > > > -t > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 21:43:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03310; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 21:43:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 21:43:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011017183715.01f27910@beatnik.com> X-Files: The truth is out there. Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:39:33 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Tentative Repeater OS 1.1 changes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <-nCCLC.A.5y.BOjz7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Preview of Repeater OS 1.1 changes (subject to change): http://www.electrixpro.com/features/osupdates.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 23:31:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA09505; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 23:30:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 23:30:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ejdrake@pop.mindspring.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 23:30:55 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ed Drake Subject: Bob Sellon's Updated JamMan pages Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loopers, Bob Sellon just emailed me with a new link for all of his JamMan stuff including new ROM, diagnostics and other fun stuff. http://www.stecrecords.com/gear/jamman/index.html Kim, could you please update this link on the Looper's Delight JamMan pages when you get a chance? Bob asked me to update them to reflect this new link, but seeing as how I haven't updated the pages in forever I figured I'd ask you :-) Thanks! Ed From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 23:32:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA09176; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 23:28:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 23:28:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 23:27:43 EDT Subject: Re: from where can I get a good price on an echoplex? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ad.11f6cef3.28ffa62f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_ad.11f6cef3.28ffa62f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/17/01 4:23:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, josnyder@students.wisc.edu writes: > jeff.....is this the rang or the rang + ?.....:)m --part1_ad.11f6cef3.28ffa62f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/17/01 4:23:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, josnyder@students.wisc.edu writes:


But I don't really like the sound quality


jeff.....is this the rang or the rang + ?.....:)m --part1_ad.11f6cef3.28ffa62f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 23:47:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA10346; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 23:46:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 23:46:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ejdrake@pop.mindspring.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 23:46:02 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ed Drake Subject: Tablas and looping revisited Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What are you other looping tabla players doing to record good tabla loops live? When I sit on the floor in the traditional playing position I can't get a good bead on my footswitch so the loop timing is usually off. I've been wondering if there is possibly a way to mount the tablas up where I can reach them when standing. This would also be good because I'm play guitar too and could easily switch between instruments without constantly sitting down and standing up. Any suggestions? Ed From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 17 23:59:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11096; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 23:57:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 23:57:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <2B502ECC-C254-11D5-9771-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> <3BCDD43B.63D77652@earthlink.net> <3BCDF757.156122C0@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 23:57:25 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: OT design vs programming? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <-q3cYC.A.FtC.vMlz7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> > Quark has barely changed at all. > >uh, huh...same here. earn your paycheck doing this stuff, or give >it a break, please? But I am up on Quark. And I HAVE made a paycheck using Quark though I hate Quark mightily. There has been only ONE release of Quark in the last three years -- I'm not even sure if the 3.0 to 4.0/1 release *was* in the last three years. When I got the upgrade, I sat down and went through the manual in detail in a day. Like I said. The same stupid bugs are in it as before. Try doing something simple like laying out a book with pictures, and then moving a chapter. (Yes, Quark is a bad tool for designing books but it's what my partner has and I don't copyright violate programs). Anyway, this is way off topic. I ain't gonna convince you. I have a clear hierarchy of "difficulty" in my mind and it goes something like: design programming "rocket science" (which probably includes advanced math too?) brain surgery OF COURSE it's a full-time occupation being good at anything but the point is that being a brain surgeon takes decades of work and ongoing study to get to the point where you can even start to do anything, whereas there are plenty of good designers who started with no formal design education whatsoever. Just because something is difficult doesn't make it good! anyway. damn, I'm typing a lot these days -- perhaps because I'm home sick? /t http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 18 00:01:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA12809; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 00:00:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 00:00:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20011017183715.01f27910@beatnik.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011017183715.01f27910@beatnik.com> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 00:00:06 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Tentative Repeater OS 1.1 changes Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <7-coTC.A.AFD.aPlz7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Preview of Repeater OS 1.1 changes (subject to change): >http://www.electrixpro.com/features/osupdates.html well, darn: they got this: 1.4.2. Dry signal path mute but what about the "record into overdub" issue?? /t http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 18 00:03:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11085; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 23:57:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 23:57:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 23:56:11 EDT Subject: Re: NYC loop fest To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ff.db9eb3c.28ffacdb_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_ff.db9eb3c.28ffacdb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit just an idea.....how about a day long looping seminar educational type thing where everyone could play and take part followed by some "star" filled loop show to cap off the day.....:)m --part1_ff.db9eb3c.28ffacdb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit just an idea.....how about a day long looping seminar educational type thing where everyone could play and take part followed by some "star" filled loop show to cap off the day.....:)m --part1_ff.db9eb3c.28ffacdb_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 18 00:07:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA13484; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 00:07:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 00:07:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 00:06:00 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: NYC loop fest Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1208744509==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1208744509==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >just an idea.....how about a day long looping seminar educational >type thing where everyone could play and take part followed by some >"star" filled loop show to cap off the day.....:)m hmm, that's a new idea and quite interesting. I dunno. Your feelings?? /t http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. --============_-1208744509==_ma============ Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Arialjust an idea.....how about a day long looping seminar educational type thing where everyone could play and take part followed by some "star" filled loop show to cap off the day.....:)m Arial hmm, that's a new idea and quite interesting. I dunno. Your feelings?? /t http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. --============_-1208744509==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 18 00:53:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA17904; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 00:50:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 00:50:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 00:50:03 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: last word on "difficulty" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd say that "the violin is more difficult than the guitar" and in fact that the guitar is an "easy" instrument. When people ask me about an easy instrument, I always direct them to the guitar(*) -- I never direct them to the violin. and here's why: your average musically interested kid can pick up a guitar and in a few days learn enough to be able to play a few tunes and sing along without being too horrible. in a few weeks you could actually entertain your friends. but it takes MONTHS to get past the horrible stage on a violin. yet -- does that make Jimi Hendrix less of a musician than some violinist? emphatically, no! and do I listen to more guitars than violins? absolutely yes! /t (* -- or drums -- another "easy" instrument that you can take to great heights of mastery!) http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 18 01:08:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA20040; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 01:07:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 01:07:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: TomHeasley@aol.com Message-ID: <91.11ec4d7c.28ffbd5e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 01:06:38 EDT Subject: Re: faux rack units To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_91.11ec4d7c.28ffbd5e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10540 Resent-Message-ID: <__70EB.A.-2E.mNmz7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_91.11ec4d7c.28ffbd5e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd appreciate any opinions re: the most happening (and coolest looking) rack cases to fly with. I would just be sick if I got to Minneapolis next month and my Palindrometer had gotten damaged in luggage. And if anyone has such a (4-space) beast (er, beauty) that they want to sell...lemme know. Tom Heasley --part1_91.11ec4d7c.28ffbd5e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd appreciate any opinions re: the most happening (and coolest looking) rack cases to fly with.  I would just be sick if I got to Minneapolis next month and my Palindrometer had gotten damaged in luggage.  And if anyone has such a (4-space) beast (er, beauty) that they want to sell...lemme know.

Tom Heasley --part1_91.11ec4d7c.28ffbd5e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 18 02:11:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA23292; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 02:11:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 02:11:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002e01c1579b$324c67a0$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Eric Williamson" From: "Eric Williamson" To: Subject: Re: Tentative Repeater OS 1.1 changes Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 01:07:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>http://www.electrixpro.com/features/osupdates.html > >but what about the "record into overdub" issue?? having just acquired mine ... the one i'm most interested in is 1.3.25 Extended loop-end crossfade i am experiencing the loop-end glitch issue. it is irritating. but it is not keeping me from making music with this device. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 18 02:54:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA25059; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 02:53:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 02:53:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006a01c1579e$101bef40$c9c41ed9@oemcomputer> From: "Bruce Comens" To: References: <002401c15658$4ca86660$cbc41ed9@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Behringer Footcontroller Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 16:14:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks, Matthias, > the advantage is that its safer, since you only send out complete commands. and: can you explain what you mean by "safer"? bruce From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 18 03:17:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA26995; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 03:15:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 03:15:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011018071510.82691.qmail@web12806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 00:15:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Alx Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011017103041.02bddc18@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Kim Flint wrote: > And the last thing your gonna do, is divert those > people from the current > project in order to redo the graphics on the last > one just because somebody > who isn't going to buy it anyway didn't care for the > logo. > > kim I totally agree with you Kim, I´ve been reading this thread and now I feel that it totally missed the point of what it intented to be: an opportunity for people who have used the EDP and people who are really interested in buying one to share ideas on how to REALLY improve the unit, the color of the unit?, the font?..... are the people who are proposing that really serious about it?, do they want the EDP become a line6 - digitech alike product?, I want to buy an EDP and I would love to see an improved stereo unit but it never crosses my mind that it should have to be cooler looking to make me decide to buy it, sure units that look cool grab yor attention easily at the music store but actually the units that I´ve see with more attention to the design or publicity have always been the most disapointing to me, Line6 and Electrix more recently..... I think that a stereo unit with the same functions that it has now would be enough for me and I think that would increase the sales, the option of having special discount when buying 2 units is great too, hope Gibson decides to make something about it now that the new software will be released. Best. Alex. http://www.mp3.com/Alex_Martinez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 18 03:42:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA28195; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 03:40:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 03:40:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007601c157a8$1c0fbc00$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Tablas and looping revisited Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 08:40:05 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This has probably come up before, but does anyone have any links to sound files containing tabla sounds, such as one would use for Fruity Loops etc.? > What are you other looping tabla players doing to record good tabla > loops live? When I sit on the floor in the traditional playing position I > can't get a good bead on my footswitch so the loop timing is usually off. > I've been wondering if there is possibly a way to mount the tablas up where > I can reach them when standing. This would also be good because I'm play > guitar too and could easily switch between instruments without constantly > sitting down and standing up. > Any suggestions? > > Ed > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 18 04:13:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA30589; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 04:11:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 04:11:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Tentative Repeater OS 1.1 changes Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 10:10:05 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >>http://www.electrixpro.com/features/osupdates.html > > > >but what about the "record into overdub" issue?? As far as I see this is it: "1.3.41 Auto record into new loop at loop end. First press of record during loop playback engages auto record, a second record press manually overrides and immediately engages record and the new loop." ...or am I wrong here? Any comments? Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 18 04:25:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA31354; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 04:22:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 04:22:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001601c157ad$d7b9a0b0$51cec22b@cambmaya04> From: "Os" To: References: Subject: Re: Tentative Repeater OS 1.1 changes Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:21:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com no, that's a different one - the next loop pass records into a different loop slot. the overdub feature that we all want is the ability to go into overdub on the *same* loop immediately after recording the first pass. os. > > >>http://www.electrixpro.com/features/osupdates.html > > > > > >but what about the "record into overdub" issue?? > > > As far as I see this is it: > > "1.3.41 Auto record into new loop at loop end. First press of record during > loop playback engages auto record, a second record press manually overrides > and immediately engages record and the new loop." > > ...or am I wrong here? Any comments? > > Per Boysen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 18 04:25:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA31518; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 04:23:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 04:23:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002401c157ae$07428310$51cec22b@cambmaya04> From: "Os" To: References: <002e01c1579b$324c67a0$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Tentative Repeater OS 1.1 changes Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:22:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > having just acquired mine ... the one i'm most interested in is > > 1.3.25 Extended loop-end crossfade > > i am experiencing the loop-end glitch issue. it is irritating. I still don't understand why there needs to be a crossfade at all. I've used a JamMan and a Headrush and neither of them have crossfades, and yet create perfectly smooth loops. os. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 18 04:58:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA00413; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 04:57:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 04:57:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010b01c157b3$34052740$e864f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200110171804.OAA03858@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: NEW YORK LOOPFEST: throwing my name into the hat!!! Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 01:59:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a show of solidarity with loopers everywhere and with the people of New York, I'd like to put it out that I would fly to New York from the West Coast at my own expense (schedules permitting, of course) to perform in the first New York Looping Festival. If someone out there could put me up for a couple of days, that would be great, but not totally necessary. I'd like to officially apply for consideration, if you all feel it is appropriate. yours, sincerely, Rick Walker (aka, Loop.pooL) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 18 05:16:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA02492; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 05:14:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 05:14:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 11:14:11 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: OT: official Eventide Customers Support MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: "italoop@libero.it" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-XaM3-API-Version: 1.1.9.1.39.1.2 X-SenderIP: 212.171.135.168 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id FAA02464 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello list! This might be interesting and useful for many of you. Eventide Audio Customers Support is official. An electronic group on Yahoo is now active to support ALL the machines produced from H3000 to all 4000 series, from 7000 to Orville...and the new fascinating Eclipse, another cool looping and multi fx unit. The group will soon feature a , on how to and more. Please feel free to take a look and join at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps Post message: eventidehelps@yahoogroups.com Subscribe: eventidehelps-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: eventidehelps-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com List owner: eventidehelps-owner@yahoogroups.com thanx for you time in reading this best regards Italo De Angelis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 18 05:30:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA03152; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 05:28:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 05:28:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012f01c157b7$7a8d5940$e864f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200110172128.RAA17694@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: NEW YORK LOOPFEST: potential staging considerations Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 02:30:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here is some completely gratuituous advice (and, as such , may be completeley disregarded as so much 'bad boundary words of wisdom' ;-) for the upcoming New York Looping Festival. In the looping festivals that we have had out here in Northern California (almost a dozen of them so far, with attendance of 500 people at the most popular ones) we have had everyone set up simultaneously, with stereo feeds from their rigs going to a central p.a. We set up two hours before the show and everyone is assured of 10 minutes of uninterrupted sound checks (no one else on the stage with RIGID enforcement of the time curfew). Everyone then brings headphones for the first hour and checks under phones, then the soundchecks. I have found that more loopers with a shorter set time (twenty minutes max) and then one or two 'headliners', each with a 40 minute set makes for a really, really smooth running and excellently recieved show. Because of pre set up, there are no 'set changes' so the show runs very smoothly in a festival styled atmosphere. 5 to 7 loopers makes for a good running time, total. You"ll need: 1) one stage manager (who should be willing to be very firm about getting people on an off-----we're musicians, aren't we?), 2)One M.C. (who should be a different person although we never had that luxury out here ;-) 3)One p.a. person These are my two cents if they are helpful. Anyone who ends up with these assignments should feel free to e-mail me offlist should they need any advice (or just if they want to kvetch, which is sometimes helpful). yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 18 07:59:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA27765; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 07:57:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 07:57:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BCEC24E.C2F8F63D@chello.nl> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 13:51:42 +0200 From: mango X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN,eu,ca,ko,ja,no,ru,uk MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Stephen P. Goodman" CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tablas and looping revisited References: <007601c157a8$1c0fbc00$0201a8c0@stephen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.meanbeat.cjb.net/ Not my site, but i know the maker of it. Enjoy "Stephen P. Goodman" wrote: > This has probably come up before, but does anyone have any links to sound > files containing tabla sounds, such as one would use for Fruity Loops etc.? > > > What are you other looping tabla players doing to record good tabla > > loops live? When I sit on the floor in the traditional playing position I > > can't get a good bead on my footswitch so the loop timing is usually off. > > I've been wondering if there is possibly a way to mount the tablas up > where > > I can reach them when standing. This would also be good because I'm play > > guitar too and could easily switch between instruments without constantly > > sitting down and standing up. > > Any suggestions? > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 18 09:34:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA20243; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:33:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:33:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006b01c157f2$aef0bfc0$42d0d63f@oemcomputer> From: "Rich Kroll" To: References: <01af01c152b3$b04acbc0$d0cad63f@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Boomerang + phrase sampler NEW $375.00 Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:33:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0068_01C157B7.FF756580" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rich Kroll" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C157B7.FF756580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rich Kroll=20 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 5:20 PM Subject: Boomerang + phrase sampler NEW $375.00 Brand New boomerang + phrase sampler 4 meg version. dealer full waranty, Manual power supply. 15.00 shipping pay pal accepted. =20 Best looper available easy to use. 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------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C157B7.FF756580-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 18 10:35:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23855; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 10:27:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 10:27:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0c2201c157e0$29113950$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Tablas and looping revisited Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:21:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use a "tabla table." Wish I had some pictures I could post... It's an Anvil-style case for my tablas that I made. The base is a flat slab of 3/4" plywood. The top is like a box that's missing it's bottom; it has four-sides and a top. The top is made from thin plywood (1/4" or 1/8"). I used typical flush-mount catches to hold the top and bottom together. Something like these: http://www.reliablehardware.com/latches/images/a-3035.gif I mounted the catches upside-down from the picture so that the moveable parts are on the top. The top of the base is flat. The bottom of the base has a lip around the edge and a pipe flange mounted at the center. I use a matching pipe nipple on a piece of aluminum tubing. The tubing fits into a wide tripod base cymbal stand with the pipe nipple at the top. (I've found the Tama Titan stands work great for this.) The "tabla table" threads onto the top of the stand. The tabla are transported and played while resting on the "tabla table" base. The inside of the top contains foam rubber. When you fasten the top onto the base, the catches draw the foam against the top of the tabla, hence holding them in place while being transported. I'll see if I can post some pictures... Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 18 10:53:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29519; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 10:51:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 10:51:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Scott Wilson" To: Subject: RE: new york loopfest Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 10:52:45 -0400 Message-ID: <002001c157e4$903a62b0$11b214ab@dwfearn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Regarding venues... Galapagos does have a PA system, and though the acoustics are not great, it's got a good vibe. Cheaper drinks than KF, and from what I can tell, you get a little more cotrol over the door... -Scott From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 18 11:02:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31456; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 11:01:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 11:01:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: TomHeasley@aol.com Message-ID: <14b.2a3f738.29004878@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 11:00:08 EDT Subject: Re: last word on "difficulty" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_14b.2a3f738.29004878_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10540 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_14b.2a3f738.29004878_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So, you're saying, the answer would be, they are all equally difficult to master, but if you're looking to play a song for the relatives this Thanksgiving, grab a guitar, not a violin. In my case, people often seem to think the tuba is either more, or less, difficult than other instruments. And again, if you want to play in the marching band this fall, it will probably be easier to get some oom-pahs going than the first trumpet part. I would definitely qualify that sort of thing though and would never say that one thing is 'easier'. Somehow I'm reminded of the comment by Carmen McCrae in one of the San Francisco dailies, which went something like this, "Singing is the hardest thing to do, for instance, while a singer struggles to sing in tune, all a trumpet player has to do is push the right buttons." Probably ten years ago that I read that - still can't believe it. I'd rather not encourage that type of thinking in any way.... Not in disagreement with Tom R. essentially, just my two cents (Canadian). TH --part1_14b.2a3f738.29004878_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So, you're saying, the answer would be, they are all equally difficult to master, but if you're looking to play a song for the relatives this Thanksgiving, grab a guitar, not a violin.  In my case, people often seem to think the tuba is either more, or less, difficult than other instruments.  And again, if you want to play in the marching band this fall, it will probably be easier to get some oom-pahs going than the first trumpet part.  I would definitely qualify that sort of thing though and would never say that one thing is 'easier'.

Somehow I'm reminded of the comment by Carmen McCrae in one of the San Francisco dailies, which went something like this, "Singing is the hardest thing to do, for instance, while a singer struggles to sing in tune, all a trumpet player has to do is push the right buttons."  Probably ten years ago that I read that - still can't believe it.  I'd rather not encourage that type of thinking in any way....

Not in disagreement with Tom R. essentially, just my two cents (Canadian).

TH --part1_14b.2a3f738.29004878_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 18 11:09:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32043; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 11:08:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 11:08:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 10:07:28 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Tentative Repeater OS 1.1 changes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003301c157e6$9a6528e0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011017183715.01f27910@beatnik.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com it looks like a work around (but burns another track): 1.4.8 Record Track advance selection MIDI CC/PC A new CC/PC is provided to allow the user to advance to the next possible track for recording with a single MIDI event. This simplifies MIDI setups. it doesn't say if this will work on to set loop length, though... > >Preview of Repeater OS 1.1 changes (subject to change): > >http://www.electrixpro.com/features/osupdates.html > > well, darn: > > they got this: 1.4.2. Dry signal path mute > > but what about the "record into overdub" issue?? > > /t > > > http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. > http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. > http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 18 11:35:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00850; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 11:32:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 11:32:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 10:31:22 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: last word on "difficulty" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005001c157e9$f1258910$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you _thought_ it would be the last word. i probably not disagreeing with you here; i like that you put quotes around the word "easy." but while there are varying levels of difficulty in the initial stages of learning each instrument, the expectations for the "easy" intruments are usually quite high. you don't expect a tuba player to play eruption. if you hear someone do it, you should be duly impressed. you might be inclined to call the edp an "easy" instrument because in about 15 seconds you can learn to hit record twice and have a loop going. i thought your choice of violin as a "difficult" instrument was interesting. i consider brass to be much harder. or let's talk about double reeds, or the theremin, each generally believed to be increasingly "difficult" let's not confuse simple with easy. > I'd say that "the violin is more difficult than the guitar" > and in fact that the guitar is an "easy" instrument. When people > ask me about an easy instrument, I always direct them to the > guitar(*) -- I never direct them to the violin. > > and here's why: > > your average musically interested kid can pick up a guitar > and in a few days learn enough to be able to play a few tunes > and sing along without being too horrible. in a few weeks > you could actually entertain your friends. > > but it takes MONTHS to get past the horrible stage on a violin. > > > yet -- does that make Jimi Hendrix less of a musician than > some violinist? emphatically, no! > > and do I listen to more guitars than violins? absolutely yes! > > /t > > (* -- or drums -- another "easy" instrument that you can take > to great heights of mastery!) > > http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. > http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. > http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 18 11:45:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01417; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 11:40:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 11:40:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 10:39:40 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Looper development and production costs? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006001c157eb$19d70ea0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20011018071510.82691.qmail@web12806.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8Z1vsD.A.KV.Cfvz7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm going to chime in on this (rather late i realise, and it has gotten really silly) that the edp looks cooler than the repeater. this would never effect my decision to buy. i do agree with matthias that the leds should be above the buttons, but he has explained how this happened and it is no big deal at all... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 18 11:59:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02248; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 11:57:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 11:57:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 08:56:57 -0700 Subject: Re: Tentative Repeater OS 1.1 changes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think they meant this to be mostly a bug fix with a few adjustments to features. Things like that are supposedly going to come later. Mark On Wednesday, October 17, 2001, at 09:00 PM, Tom Ritchford wrote: >> Preview of Repeater OS 1.1 changes (subject to change): >> http://www.electrixpro.com/features/osupdates.html > > well, darn: > > they got this: 1.4.2. Dry signal path mute > > but what about the "record into overdub" issue?? > > /t > > > http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. > http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. > http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 18 12:08:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03955; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 12:07:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 12:07:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f601c157ef$cda49480$dd255a0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: Tablas and looping revisited Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 12:13:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <1G1HGB.A.d9.x4vz7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ed wrote: >I've been wondering if there is possibly a way to mount the tablas up where >I can reach them when standing. This would also be good because I'm play >guitar too and could easily switch between instruments without constantly >sitting down and standing up. I once saw a trap drummer who doubled on tabla by using a table setup very similar to the one that Dennis described. He positioned the table to his left, just behind his high-hat so that he could switch to tabla by a quick turn. I spoke to him after the concert and he was happy to let me demo the 'tabla table.' Personally I felt that the position of the tabla (relative to the throne) were raised a little too high for comfortable playing. He agreed, but said that it was a far better solution than having to move to the floor for a few tunes, or just some quick soli over the course of a set. In India I've seen tabla and some folk drums like nakara played in street processions. The players would basically take a long cloth sheet and wrap the drums securely within the sheet, then wind it around their waist and tie it all together so that the drums sat at a level that was comparable to the standard playing position (seated on the floor). Another option may be to make some sort of frame to hold the two tabla drums and then mount it on a stand, similar to a bongo stand, which you could adjust for height to your guitar playing position. Or, you could begin to play your guitar seated on the floor, right next to the tabla . . . ;-) > What are you other looping tabla players doing to record good tabla >loops live? When I sit on the floor in the traditional playing position I >can't get a good bead on my footswitch so the loop timing is usually off. This is a tough one. I'm primarily a sitar/surbahar player, but I also play my other instruments seated on the floor. I've had to learn to use the footswitch in a not entirely ergonomic way, tapping the buttons by using the distal side of my foot from a crosslegged sitting position, rather than to control them with the bottom of the toes as one would when standing or seated in a chair. Fortunately the EDP footswitch is fairly easy to use this way. Sitar and other stringed instruments don't really pose that much of a problem in this regard. But tabla are harder to deal with, since they're directly in front of you and there isn't much room to maneuver the footswitch. My workarounds have been these: 1) position the EDP footswitch so that the Record and Overdub buttons are directly beneath my right foot, then I begin a loop with Record and close it with Overdub. This is still very tricky in terms of getting the timing just right. It's also tough if you want to continue playing then immediately use any of the other buttons, since they're behind the baya at this point. 2) a cleaner, more rhythmically accurate loop can be achieved by using the left hand on the footswitch to initiate and close the loop. I'll substitute a "Ta" stroke (right-hand drum only, for those non-tabliyas among us) instead of a "Dha" stroke (both right and left-hand drums) for the opening beat of the loop, then after closing the loop, I'll overdub either the baya (left-hand, "bass" drum) stroke alone, or, using my foot to control the Overdub, play an entire "Dha" stroke. Overdubbing the entire stroke can also help to accentuate the feeling of "sam" (highly stressed main beat of an Indian 'tala' or rhythmic cycle) within the loop. This all reminds me that there's a good thread in the archives from a year or so ago about "barefoot looping." Hope this helps. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 18 12:18:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04476; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 12:17:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 12:17:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:16:37 -0700 Subject: Easy? HARD! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <006001c157eb$19d70ea0$080210ac@jpalmer> Message-Id: <81AF7EB8-C3E3-11D5-B2E0-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com heh, my ex girlfriend has a PhD in Astrophysics from Cornell and she swears that it's easy and I could do it if I applied myself. She's working on neural physics at UCSF now, and I'm hoping she can work on some intelligence implant for me. Mmmmmm wetware. When I met her, she couldn't figure out how to get her VCR to record. Too hard to figure out. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 18 13:22:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09542; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 13:19:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 13:19:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011018171834.61731.qmail@web12004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 10:18:34 -0700 (PDT) From: philip raath Subject: Re: tabla programming To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200110181509.LAA32231@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i used fruityloops quite a bit in the past because the studio i worked for had it, and there are already tabla hits in there. but as i recall they weren't in plain sight, rather buried in a demo bankfile or some shit. of course my ear is not tuned to what a "real" tabla "really" sounds like, but those hits sounded quite nice to me. you might take another look to make sure they aren't in there. take care, phil ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 18 13:52:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11068; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 13:50:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 13:50:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 13:49:30 -0400 Subject: Re: NYC loopfest From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200110181509.LAA32232@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3086257770_1229398_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3086257770_1229398_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit just an idea.....how about a day long looping seminar educational type thing where everyone could play and take part followed by some "star" filled loop show to cap off the day.....:)m hmm, that's a new idea and quite interesting. I dunno. Your feelings?? I'm not in favor of this -- I see this more as an opportunity for NYC loopers to get together and have an opportunity to show our work, not a star showcase. --MS_Mac_OE_3086257770_1229398_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: NYC loopfest
just an idea.....how about= a day long looping seminar educational type thing where everyone could play= and take part followed by some "star" filled loop show to cap off= the day.....:)m

hmm, that's a new idea and quite interesting.

I dunno.  Your feelings??


I'm not in favor of this -- I see this more as an opportunity for NYC loope= rs to get together and have an opportunity to show our work, not a star show= case.




--MS_Mac_OE_3086257770_1229398_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 18 16:16:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06154; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 16:15:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 16:15:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <122.60833bf.290091fb@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 16:13:47 EDT Subject: EDP footpedal buffer question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > good idea. > If you manag to buffer the footpedal, so it sends a fixed voltage for > each button, you can feed several EDPs with it. > Buffering is made by a transistor, for example... > -- How???? Wouldn't you need an active Pedal? do tell andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 18 16:16:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06171; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 16:15:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 16:15:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <55.1c4e44c9.290091fe@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 16:13:50 EDT Subject: Re: R: Looper development and production costs? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't know what you're all worried about. EDP looks fine. kind of retro mad scientist From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 18 18:06:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00929; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 17:56:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 17:56:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <87.11afa935.2900a9a7@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 17:54:47 EDT Subject: Re: last word on "difficulty" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_87.11afa935.2900a9a7_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_87.11afa935.2900a9a7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/18/01 11:32:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jimp@pobox.com writes: > let's not confuse simple with easy. > dats rite!.....im simple but i aint easy.....:)m --part1_87.11afa935.2900a9a7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/18/01 11:32:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jimp@pobox.com writes:


let's not confuse simple with easy.


dats rite!.....im simple but i aint easy.....:)m --part1_87.11afa935.2900a9a7_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 18 18:12:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02658; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 18:11:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 18:11:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: <11d.5eaa936.2900ac5f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 18:06:23 EDT Subject: edp bugs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 139 Resent-Message-ID: <0Dxl6B.A.Un.KK1z7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i got an edp about a year and a half ago....sent it back to gibson 3 times for repairs and tweaks of bugs in the first months of ownership.........after getting it back i fooled around with it for a month or two and then set it aside till just recently.......been practicing with a new band and just played out first show with the edp and man this piece or gear does something different everytime it seems........things like:::: 1. starting up a loop the loop plays at half as quite as it should.....my fix is to turn it off and back on to reboot and i'm back in action for a little while. 2. pressing the overdub function produces sound at twice as loud as it should but when the sound is in the loop it's fine....same fix as above. 3. various stops outa no where........same fix as above. anyone else having similar problems.....any advice? is shane still handling edp matters......he what super helpful in me first bug experience thanks a bunch! brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 18 18:21:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03133; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 18:20:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 18:20:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <157.2aad691.2900af93@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 18:20:03 EDT Subject: Re: NYC loopfest To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_157.2aad691.2900af93_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: <9VXlJC.A.Ow.hW1z7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_157.2aad691.2900af93_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/18/01 1:50:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stevesandberg@earthlink.net writes: > I see this more as an opportunity for NYC loopers to get together and have > agreed.....but you have a bunch-o-hours to do this (imho the whole reason to do an all day gig).....then instread of a "star" filled finish, have some kind of "these are the ones that exemplify looping at its best or WHAT-EVER".....i would love to bring my "toys" to nyc and make some noise with all you folk but i have no need what-so-ever to be a "big room" player.....i think if you limit it to some kind of showcase off loops i.e. "show" you cut out the community of "players/loopers" that can come together to create the BIG NOISE.....ill drive to ny for an all day loopXtrav-o-ganza, finished up with a SHOW that PEOPLE will hopefully show up at much sooner than just a "SHOW".....is there a music school in nyc that would host such a party?....."we have loopers from as close as pittsburgh and as far off as cali comin to this EVENT so cut us some slack!".....im getting excited!.....:)m --part1_157.2aad691.2900af93_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/18/01 1:50:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stevesandberg@earthlink.net writes:


I see this more as an opportunity for NYC loopers to get together and have an opportunity to show our work


agreed.....but you have a bunch-o-hours to do this (imho the whole reason to do an all day gig).....then instread of a "star" filled finish, have some kind of  "these are the ones that exemplify looping at its best or WHAT-EVER".....i would love to bring my "toys" to nyc and make some noise with all you folk but i have no need what-so-ever to be a "big room" player.....i think if you limit it to some kind of showcase off loops i.e. "show" you cut out the community of "players/loopers" that can come together to create the BIG NOISE.....ill drive to ny for an all day loopXtrav-o-ganza, finished up with a SHOW that PEOPLE will hopefully show up at much sooner than just a "SHOW".....is there a music school in nyc that would host such a party?....."we have loopers from as close as pittsburgh and as far off as cali comin to this EVENT so cut us some slack!".....im getting excited!.....:)m --part1_157.2aad691.2900af93_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 18 19:18:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09024; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 19:17:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 19:17:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.178.242.121] From: "ed rhone" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Post message Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 23:16:31 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2001 23:16:31.0832 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC3C2580:01C1582A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, Anyone out there have a programmer for a digitech pmc1 foot controller. if so i would definately buy it from you or if youre feeling charitable, thatll be cool too. thanks, \ ed rhone any420@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 18 22:08:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA21682; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 22:07:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 22:07:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f201c1583a$5b0842a0$0e0aa8c0@den> From: "Doug Cox" To: Subject: dt article Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 21:06:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://industryclick.com/magazinearticle.asp?magazineid=33&releaseid=8616&ma gazinearticleid=122287&siteid=15 For those who might be interested. From a link off of the Harmony Central main page. Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 18 23:22:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26654; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 23:21:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 23:21:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Loopbozo@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 23:20:11 EDT Subject: Re: NYC loopfest To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you wrote "perfect" time. there's your moniker...as it were too far away to drive loopbozo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 18 23:31:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27143; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 23:30:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 23:30:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [200.61.85.24] From: "maneco tacuarembo" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: JaM-Man schematics.... Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 03:29:30 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Oct 2001 03:29:31.0283 (UTC) FILETIME=[43E48E30:01C1584E] Resent-Message-ID: <1kqL3.A.6nG._45z7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com



does anyone have these?

i've built a 12 bit delay,with 76 seconds,and i would like to know how to improve it...

now there´s a new rom,check bob sellon's page,looks like an incredible machine now....

i'd also like to have the vortex circuits,i'm interested in learning more about it...


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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 19 04:12:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA09348; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 04:10:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 04:10:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002201c156d8$11815da0$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011015154813.01ecefb0@mail.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20011016105714.02602a50@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20011016222407.0499aea8@loopers-delight.com> <002201c156d8$11815da0$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 06:09:43 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: R: Looper development and production costs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4hFbuC.A.LRC.B_9z7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >LOL- This is fantastic- I hope you all realize the uniqueness of this >discussion and appreciate accordingly- I do! > >Kim said: >> Did a corrupted Eras font crash your hard disk when you were a little kid >> or what? thats a good one, really ;-) >Mattias said: >>The equidistant buttons of the same colour are not instantely >identifyable. 6 of them is easy, because the eye divides in two >groups of 3, but 7 gets worse. Maybe 8 are better again, but I would >love to bring some kind of separation between them. < > >Maybe place the tri-colored diode lights inside the buttons themselves? saves space but inhibits confirmation of your action. We need something to tell the user that he really did press the button, thats a basic rule for a good user interface. So lit buttons only serve if they are bigger than the finger. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 19 04:12:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA09346; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 04:10:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 04:10:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 06:09:34 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: Buying equipment based on looks Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >At 02:52 PM 10/16/2001, Per Boysen wrote: >>Maybe I've got strange >>taste but to me the EDP looks really "cool". I guess mainly because the >>design is somehow "un-cool". I mean, it really can't be sorted into any >>certain decade - it's simply timeless. Ok, it could be something from the >>early eighties just because the logo text says "Digital Pro", as if some >>"magic words", more important to drop than other words describing what the >>unit actually does. Typical 80s that is ;D Hm... whats interesting about remembering an 80s style in the beginning of the 90s if the brand is from the 60s and the idea of it only goes fashion in the 00s ? >Kim: >glad somebody properly appreciates that touch. :-) To me the name is all >about irreverence towards stupid traditions. I had a lot of fun with it. >The fact that we had the audacity to use the name "Echoplex" still makes me >smile. I love spearing icons like that. For me it was about the worst shock in my life. My first reaction was: Ah, ok, lets desing a digital Echoplex with speed control an such, but my thing is different, new! Really: some old Echoplex fans became frustrated about the EDP and others probably did not look at it to see the future features. Then I realized Gibson would not even discuss the subject with me. They applied a simple marketing rule: Use a known brand. Ok, it may be easier to sell retro than new stuff, but then the product has to fit! Imagine they had started the Steinberger guitars as "Telecaster plastic pro" ;-) Did any famous typewriter brands make success on computers? Keith tried to explain the decision that probably was not his: To call something a LOOP delay is like calling an amplifier a "louder-bigger". I dont think so, "Repeater" would not be a good name either. I did not mean to insist on LOOP delay, but since LOOP is what was new about it, I still think it would be great to have it in the name. And the stupid "digital pro" made me blush... well, slowly the emotions passed and I would love to live the expected impact on sales... What I try to say: Its not enough to have any strong design or brand. Neither following rules nor breaking rules is a guarantee for success. Why put an old and old sounding name on a new thing that is supposed to iniciate a totally new form of creating music? If you want to try to sell my distortion (which is also unlike any product so far) with some cynical design, go ahead, there have been many distortion boxes before, so I will be laughing with you. Now, to iniciate the LOOP concept with a name that starts with Echo (thats what we evolved away from), goes on with Plex (sounds like plastic to me) and ends with Digital AND Pro (anything is digital and 41kHz is not pro... probably should suggest to be the digital version of the Echoplex) is not audacy but marketing without considering the product, a cruel distruction of real good intentions, chopping down the advantages of the product. Tell me if I am wrong! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 19 04:13:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA09347; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 04:10:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 04:10:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006a01c1579e$101bef40$c9c41ed9@oemcomputer> References: <002401c15658$4ca86660$cbc41ed9@oemcomputer> <006a01c1579e$101bef40$c9c41ed9@oemcomputer> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 06:09:34 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Behringer Footcontroller Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Thanks, Matthias, > >> the advantage is that its safer, since you only send out complete >commands. > >and: can you explain what you mean by "safer"? > >bruce Using RunningState, if any byte gets lost or altered, or a unit is switched into a rolling MIDI stream, then the whole sequence of MIDI commands looses sense, whereas if you repeat the main command byte with each date byte, the error is limited to one command. But I dont think you have to consider this. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 19 04:17:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA09345; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 04:10:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 04:10:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 06:09:34 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: NYC loop fest Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How about meeting to find who can comunicate with whom and then play together on stage? I can setup in 2 minutes, but on a big stage, all installations could stay and spontaneous meeting could happen. There should be a network of BrotherSync cables spread over the stage :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 19 04:39:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA10384; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 04:35:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 04:35:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 01:38:55 -0700 Subject: KYMA Sound Design System for Sale From: Vance Galloway To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Please pardon the quick For Sale posting. Please respond off of the list to avoid unnecessary list traffic. For Sale Kyma 320 Sound Processing / Synthesis system: Capybara 320 core system (card chassis with audio I/O and core DSP/Memory) Four DSP Expansion Cards One PC interface card (for use with Mac or PC laptops) One NuBus interface card (if you need it) Cable for connecting Capybara 320 to the interface card Current Kyma Software for Mac and PC New ultra quiet fan All items are in excellent condition. This system has a total of 12 Motorola 56003 DSP chips running at 80MHZ and 288MB of RAM in the Capybara DSP box. There is also space for 8 more expansion cards each of which includes 2 more DSP chips and 48MB of RAM The Kyma is such a powerful, open-ended system that there is really no way that I can describe it's wide ranging functionality and power in a short posting. Those who are not familiar with it's capabilities are encouraged to get more information by going to http://www.symbolicsound.com/ or by contacting me directly at vanceg@earthlink.net Price:$4200 plus shipping. (The current new price would be $5700: $3300 for the core system plus 4x$595 for the expansion cards) It is very rare that a Kyma system comes up used. The one and only reason that I am selling my personal system is that I now have access to a second Kyma and do not require the use of two! ------------------------------ In addition I have a Macintosh Powerbook for sale with Kyma (and other) software installed. The Kyma/laptop combination has worked like a charm! Powerbook G3 450 Lombard (transparent keyboard, pre-pismo) 128Mb RAM (plenty to run Kyma) 6 Gig Drive CD/DVD Ethernet Two USB ports SCSI port (!) PC card slot Firewire PC card included Currently running Mac OS 9.1 The machine has some minor scratches on the bottom from sitting on top of my rack and a couple of (very tiny) blemishes on the screen. No Pixels out. It is used but in 100% functional condition. Includes AppleCare. $800 if purchased with the Kyma. Please contact vanceg@earthlink.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 19 04:40:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA10443; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 04:36:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 04:36:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: edp bugs X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4712.0 Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 03:35:59 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: edp bugs Thread-Index: AcFYIf26WsrqJ4yIRMaj1cMcqAaMsAAVa3CQ From: "Andy Ewen" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id EAA10387 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've not come across these faults but the 'stops' are generally down to faulty or dirty memory. I'll leave any theories about the other faults for Kim but if he also suspects a memory problem, I'm happy to send you out a replacement set of SIMMs, Andy @ Trace. -----Original Message----- From: ENAT21213@aol.com [mailto:ENAT21213@aol.com] Sent: 18 October 2001 23:06 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: edp bugs i got an edp about a year and a half ago....sent it back to gibson 3 times for repairs and tweaks of bugs in the first months of ownership.........after getting it back i fooled around with it for a month or two and then set it aside till just recently.......been practicing with a new band and just played out first show with the edp and man this piece or gear does something different everytime it seems........things like:::: 1. starting up a loop the loop plays at half as quite as it should.....my fix is to turn it off and back on to reboot and i'm back in action for a little while. 2. pressing the overdub function produces sound at twice as loud as it should but when the sound is in the loop it's fine....same fix as above. 3. various stops outa no where........same fix as above. anyone else having similar problems.....any advice? is shane still handling edp matters......he what super helpful in me first bug experience thanks a bunch! brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 19 04:49:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA10925; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 04:46:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 04:46:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c1587a$7500ddd0$51cec22b@cambmaya04> From: "Os" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: NI Reaktor v3 Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:45:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <2WhDJB.A.PqC.Hh-z7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi. Does anyone have Native-Instruments Reaktor, version 3? I have v2.3, and have just been playing around with the v3 demo. They've added this 'audio array' module and it strikes me that you could build a fantasticly flexible looper with it. I wondered if anyone had tried it. cheers, os. os@collective.co.uk http://www.mp3.com/carbonboy/ http://www.mp3.com/darkroomuk/ http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 19 04:55:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA11222; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 04:53:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 04:53:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004b01c15893$6b7bd940$0101a8c0@pavilion> From: "brian mulvey" To: References: Subject: Re: NYC loop fest Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 04:44:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Are the Knit/Tonic definitely out of the running? If so, that's a shame. I'm definitely still interested in playing. As far as setup time is concerned, we're gonna have amps and drum set and stuff.. we'll be on the 'rock band' side of things. -brian. ++ brian david mulvey ++ ++ brian@typocalypse.com ++ ++ GRAPHIC DESIGN: www.typocalypse.com ++ ++ FM RADIO PROGRAM: www.typocalypse.com/radio.htm ++ ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthias Grob To: Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 1:09 AM Subject: Re: NYC loop fest > How about meeting to find who can comunicate with whom and then play > together on stage? > I can setup in 2 minutes, but on a big stage, all installations could > stay and spontaneous meeting could happen. > There should be a network of BrotherSync cables spread over the stage :-) > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 19 05:56:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA13905; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 05:53:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 05:53:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004b01c15893$6b7bd940$0101a8c0@pavilion> References: <004b01c15893$6b7bd940$0101a8c0@pavilion> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 07:53:26 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: NYC loop fest Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >As far as setup time is concerned, we're gonna have amps and drum set and >stuff.. we'll be on the 'rock band' side of things. > >-brian. > oh, that turns it more difficult... and more interesting! Are there other bands? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 19 05:56:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA13906; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 05:53:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 05:53:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 07:53:24 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: NYC loopfest Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >just an idea.....how about a day long looping seminar educational >type thing where everyone could play and take part followed by some >"star" filled loop show to cap off the day.....:)m is that about the same idea I just posted? (sorry, I did not read first) >hmm, that's a new idea and quite interesting. > >I'm not in favor of this -- I see this more as an opportunity for >NYC loopers to get together and have an opportunity to show our >work, not a star showcase. I guess you did not like the word "star", Steve... or is it too much to include musicians from outside of NYC? Naturally musicians get together first at the sound check, right? So why not extend it to a whole day or two and if some understand each other musically, naturally they play together at the show, no? By this, more musicians can be heard a the show, maybe each one doing just one solo piece and then invite the next to play together and then leave stage... to drop in at some other moment again...? How did that happen in your meetings, Rick? I liked your advices! Did spontaneous play togethers happen? I would be highly interested in participating on such a meeting, and I may be coming "up" to US anyway in March or so... >agreed.....but you have a bunch-o-hours to do this (imho the whole >reason to do an all day gig).....then instread of a "star" filled >finish, have some kind of "these are the ones that exemplify >looping at its best or WHAT-EVER"... thats the thing... who decides who is going to play? If each player votes on two others, its simple to get a list together... >i would love to bring my "toys" to nyc and make some noise with all >you folk but i have no need what-so-ever to be a "big room" >player.....i think if you limit it to some kind of showcase off >loops i.e. "show" you cut out the community of "players/loopers" >that can come together to create the BIG NOISE.....ill drive to ny >for an all day loopXtrav-o-ganza, finished up with a SHOW that >PEOPLE will hopefully show up at much sooner than just a >"SHOW".....is there a music school in nyc that would host such a >party?... maybe... if you dont call it a party :-) Two events in the same days: a seminary and a show. No need to participate on both. I can add a lecture on EDP features if you want... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 19 05:56:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA13904; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 05:53:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 05:53:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 07:53:36 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: SV: Tentative Repeater OS 1.1 changes Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > >>http://www.electrixpro.com/features/osupdates.html >> > >> >but what about the "record into overdub" issue?? > > >As far as I see this is it: > >"1.3.41 Auto record into new loop at loop end. First press of record during >loop playback engages auto record, a second record press manually overrides >and immediately engages record and the new loop." > >...or am I wrong here? Any comments? this we call quantized NextRecord on the EDP, as I understand. We also came up with: 2. press = immediate -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 19 05:57:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA13902; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 05:53:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 05:53:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <122.60833bf.290091fb@aol.com> References: <122.60833bf.290091fb@aol.com> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 07:53:39 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP footpedal buffer question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > good idea. >> If you manag to buffer the footpedal, so it sends a fixed voltage for >> each button, you can feed several EDPs with it. >> Buffering is made by a transistor, for example... >> -- > >How???? >Wouldn't you need an active Pedal? >do tell > >andy butler I started to put together a complete text about this, just give me some more days... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 19 09:23:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24389; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:22:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:22:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:20:54 -0400 Subject: Re: NYC loopfest From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200110190839.EAA10543@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3086328054_31875_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3086328054_31875_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit How about meeting to find who can comunicate with whom and then play together on stage? There should be a network of BrotherSync cables spread over the stage :-) Cool idea -- anyone else like this idea? -- --MS_Mac_OE_3086328054_31875_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: NYC loopfest
How about meeting to find = who can comunicate with whom and then play
together on stage?

There should be a network of BrotherSync cables spread over the stage :-)

Cool idea -- anyone else like this idea?
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--MS_Mac_OE_3086328054_31875_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 19 09:50:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25042; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:38:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:38:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <73.14ad40b0.290186a0@aol.com> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:37:36 EDT Subject: Re: NYC loopfest To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_73.14ad40b0.290186a0_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_73.14ad40b0.290186a0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/19/01 5:52:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, matthias@grob.org writes: > a wonderful combination, loops and prayers.....that may be more acceptable than a loop "party".....:)m p.s. this is begining to sound like a northeast international loopfest, mathias and rick.....could you imagine kim showing up.....wow! --part1_73.14ad40b0.290186a0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/19/01 5:52:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, matthias@grob.org writes:


Two events in the same days: a seminary and a show


a wonderful combination, loops and prayers.....that may be more acceptable than a loop "party".....:)m
p.s. this is begining to sound like a northeast international loopfest, mathias and rick.....could you imagine kim showing up.....wow! --part1_73.14ad40b0.290186a0_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 19 09:56:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25763; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:55:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:55:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <020901c158a5$92deaf00$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: NYC loopfest Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 14:54:28 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To put forth an idea for a more fluid process for collaboration, might I suggest this: Given that all have done their hookups and sound-checks, when one performer is past a certain amount of time in his/her spot, they can choose to allow others to join in or not; also, this allows for pre-performance arranging as well. So let's say the total space a single performer takes is 20 minutes. During the entire period of the show it might be more, due to jamming in others' sets as well. And sets could fade between each other with an unpredictable nature, controlled by the way the outgoing performer leaves the loop going, and the way the incoming performer lays on top of it. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.live365.com/stations/218194 * EarthLight Online / Live! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 19 10:00:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25967; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:58:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:58:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:57:49 -0400 From: David Kenzik To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: 1U Rack Mixer on eBay Message-ID: <20011019095749.F8333@over.react.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If anyone is interested, I saw the famed Roland M-120 on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1475560808 Good luck. -- David S. Kenzik david@kenzik.com - http://kenzik.com Original Music - http://kenzik.com/music From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 19 10:44:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28643; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 10:42:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 10:42:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:41:15 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Buying equipment based on looks To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <02c701c158ac$1b1eff40$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: <2iPcnB.A.--G.SuD07@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > If you want to try to sell my distortion (which is also unlike any > product so far) with some cynical design, go ahead, call it the tube screamer 808 pro list $595 > Tell me if I am wrong! > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > can i tell you you're not wrong? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 19 10:59:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29316; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 10:58:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 10:58:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.154.224.50] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 1U Rack Mixer on eBay Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 10:57:14 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Oct 2001 14:57:14.0554 (UTC) FILETIME=[56B809A0:01C158AE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

Thanks. Anyone have comments on the unit?

>From: David Kenzik
>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>Subject: 1U Rack Mixer on eBay
>Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:57:49 -0400
>
>If anyone is interested, I saw the famed Roland M-120 on eBay:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1475560808
>
>Good luck.
>
>--
>David S. Kenzik
>david@kenzik.com - http://kenzik.com
>Original Music - http://kenzik.com/music
>

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 19 13:13:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05442; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:11:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:11:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c158c0$a62e45a0$1bae1597@z3v3u4> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: Subject: O.T. - Vox Guitar Help Required - Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 19:08:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C158D1.68921DA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <4OBE-B.A.KUB.25F07@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C158D1.68921DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Loopers. A friend of mine has got a problem, and I'm trying to help = him by looking on the web. He has to repair the internal circuit of an = old Vox guitar, the one with internal wha, distortion and other fx, and = we have looked around on the web to find the schematics, but we don't = seem to be able to find a Vox guitars site. I've searched on many and = many internet sites regarding audio circuits and guitar circuits, but no = one seems to have these. I've even tried to write to Brandoni, in = England (he is the one who bought all the eko and eko-made vox parts = when the eko factory in Italy closed years ago, but he hasn't got the = schematics. Do anyone out there know where can I contact vox guitars (I = don't know who bought the vox guitar company..., the only vox site I = found was vox amps)? Has anyone got one of these little monsters? Thanks in advance for the help Peace Luigi ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C158D1.68921DA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Loopers. A friend of mine has got a = problem, and=20 I'm trying to help him by looking on the web. He has to repair the = internal=20 circuit of an old Vox guitar, the one with internal wha, distortion and = other=20 fx, and we have looked around on the web to find the schematics, but we = don't=20 seem to be  able to find a Vox guitars site. I've searched on many = and many=20 internet sites regarding audio circuits and guitar circuits, but no one = seems to=20 have these. I've even tried to write to Brandoni, in England (he is the = one who=20 bought all the eko and eko-made vox parts when the eko factory in Italy = closed=20 years ago, but he hasn't got the schematics. Do anyone out there know = where can=20 I contact vox guitars (I don't know who bought the vox guitar = company..., the=20 only vox site I found was vox amps)? Has anyone got one of these little=20 monsters?
 
Thanks in advance for the = help
 
Peace
Luigi
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C158D1.68921DA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 19 13:28:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06715; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:27:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:27:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:25:50 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: powers of two (Re: NYC loop fest) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >How about meeting to find who can comunicate with whom and then play >together on stage? >I can setup in 2 minutes, but on a big stage, all installations >could stay and spontaneous meeting could happen. >There should be a network of BrotherSync cables spread over the stage :-) I like this idea a lot. It actually leads into a long-term idea I was touting a few years ago but wasn't able to get together... Powers of Two. basically, there's a single central time code source that sends out . . . 0.25Hz 0.5Hz 1Hz 2Hz 4Hz . . . 1024Hz 2048Hz etc. so in some sense, there's a constant source sending out binary counting numbers: 000000000000 000000000001 000000000010 000000000011 000000000100 etc. I did a bunch o' fiddling on this but my best guess for this was that we play for 2**13 seconds and have frequencies up to 2**14 Hz, making 2**27 divisions in total. (2**13 seconds is somewhat over 2 hours...) the mixing takes this into account -- any individual player gets to play for some fraction of the whole time, when their "bits are on", but for most of the time, many of the players are playing. We'd hook it up to a digital mixer (like the one right here) and a sequencer so as to enforce the timeslicing! I'd love to do this.... I have a lot more writing on this... but I'd love to wait for the second show for this one. /t http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 19 13:28:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06717; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:27:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:27:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:26:11 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: NYC loop fest Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm going to present a summary of the discussion and who's indicated that they're interested tomorrow. /t http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 19 13:40:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07485; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:40:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:40:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0d0c01c158c4$2ea3b700$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: powers of two (Re: NYC loop fest) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 12:33:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <4tFZqD.A.g0B.FVG07@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Powers of Two sounds interesting but you lost me on the explanation. Can you give more details? Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 19 13:51:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07916; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:50:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:50:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0d0c01c158c4$2ea3b700$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <0d0c01c158c4$2ea3b700$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:48:16 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: powers of two (Re: NYC loop fest) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >The Powers of Two sounds interesting but you lost me on the explanation. >Can you give more details? er. um. imagine a clock counting in binary very fast. and a lot of musicians synched to that clock. and events (like musicians being switched in and out) attached to specific binary digits. ? /t http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 19 23:06:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05975; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 23:04:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 23:04:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: dgoat@quik.com Message-ID: <3BD0E780.8A5DC928@quik.com> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 19:54:56 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Power mod help References: <00f201c1583a$5b0842a0$0e0aa8c0@den> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So, I've got a line 6 DL4, which is powered by a 9v AC power supply. The rest of my pedalboard is powered by a voodoo labs DC multi power supply. Now, the DL4 will also run on 6v DC (supplied by 4 C batteries.) So, is there any mod or device I can put inbetween the voodoo lab and the DL4 to cut the 9v DC down to 6v DC? Thanks! D.G. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 20 08:59:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01954; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 08:58:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 08:58:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 07:59:01 -0500 From: Mike Killian Subject: Boomerang Woes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3BD17515.5040305@swbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 References: <00f201c1583a$5b0842a0$0e0aa8c0@den> <3BD0E780.8A5DC928@quik.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One of my Boomerangs is starting to sound crappy on playback, signal sort of breaking up or degrading. This is especially noticeable in the lower registers of my guitar but is present throughout. I have tried tweaking the pot on the back and can only get it to sound worse. I have checked cables, amp inputs, etc. and I am sure the problem is with the unit..............Any suggestions? (of course I have a gig coming up Thursday!!!) Mike Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 20 10:02:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA06198; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 09:59:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 09:59:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 09:59:25 -0400 From: David Kenzik To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Another 1U M-120 Mixer for sale Message-ID: <20011020095925.N8333@over.react.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And another: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1476736557 This is the 4th one I've seen in the last couple weeks, and the cheapest so far. People must be winter cleaning. -- David S. Kenzik david@kenzik.com - http://kenzik.com Original Music - http://kenzik.com/music From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 20 10:54:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08331; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 10:53:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 10:53:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 09:57:52 -0500 Subject: malletkat for sale From: Tom Roady To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just thought I'ld let the list know that I have a 3 octave malletkat for sale at digibid.com...it includes an ATA flight case and triple pedalboard. No sounds onboard...just a controller. I've used it to loop with for a few years with my EDP and various modules and samplers. thanks tr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 20 11:09:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10007; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 11:02:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 11:02:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 11:04:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200110201104.AA71631510@mail.vrinter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Rich Kroll" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Boomerang Woes X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Did yo try playing with the sample rates? also are did you try changing the switch between line Mic guitar? What does it sound like when you go through the Line imput? Also did you try it through another amp just to take the amp out tof the equation? If it's still breaks up you might have a problem that requires you to ship it back to boomerang. Let us know Rich ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Mike Killian Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 07:59:01 -0500 >One of my Boomerangs is starting to sound crappy on playback, signal >sort of breaking up or degrading. This is especially noticeable in the >lower registers of my guitar but is present throughout. >I have tried tweaking the pot on the back and can only get it to sound >worse. I have checked cables, amp inputs, etc. and I am sure the >problem is with the unit..............Any suggestions? >(of course I have a gig coming up Thursday!!!) > >Mike Killian > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 20 14:00:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19833; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 13:59:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 13:59:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c15990$e49642e0$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: OT: Elec. Drum Kit Opinions? Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 10:58:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C15956.36EF5A80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <2BncbD.A.KkE.ktb07@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C15956.36EF5A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all-=20 I wanted to get some opinions on midi drum kits- preferably around = $1000- there are so many from Roland alone I'm a bit lost- - I'm tired = of drum machines and ready made loops and want to create my own drum and = percussion loops (I used to play drums)- I plan on using my computer as = the sound source- Thanks-=20 Cliff ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C15956.36EF5A80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all-
 
I wanted to get some opinions on midi = drum kits-=20 preferably around $1000- there are so many from Roland alone I'm a bit = lost- -=20 I'm tired of drum machines and ready made loops and want to create my = own drum=20 and percussion loops (I used to play drums)- I plan on using my computer = as the=20 sound source- Thanks-
 
Cliff
------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C15956.36EF5A80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 20 14:22:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20766; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 14:21:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 14:21:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3BD0E780.8A5DC928@quik.com> References: <00f201c1583a$5b0842a0$0e0aa8c0@den> Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 08:22:11 -1000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: Power mod help Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Have you tried it with 9V DC? It should work just fine.... - Chris >So, I've got a line 6 DL4, which is powered by a 9v AC power supply. The >rest of my pedalboard is powered by a voodoo labs DC multi power supply. >Now, the DL4 will also run on 6v DC (supplied by 4 C batteries.) So, is >there any mod or device I can put inbetween the voodoo lab and the DL4 >to cut the 9v DC down to 6v DC? > >Thanks! > >D.G. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 20 14:26:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21045; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 14:25:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 14:25:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001e01c15994$895ba100$0200a8c0@wienerdog> From: "Funkay" To: References: <002201c15990$e49642e0$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Elec. Drum Kit Opinions? Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 11:25:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01C15959.DC65B920" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C15959.DC65B920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For a much cheaper (and in my opinion better) alternative, just get a = computer midi sequencer and buy a drum module like the alesis dm5. If = you're going to buy an electric set, you have to go by feel...and most = of them have none. I know a drummer who ruined his wrists playing for = years on only electric kits. If youre not going to play them for = performance or anything like that, I would reccomend just getting some = sort of trigger pad device that you can play without having to go in on = a whole set. But again thats just my opinion, I hate playing lifeless = drums. It takes a lot of the fun out of it. Good luck ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Om_Audio=20 To: Loopers Delight=20 Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 10:58 AM Subject: OT: Elec. Drum Kit Opinions? Hi all-=20 =20 I wanted to get some opinions on midi drum kits- preferably around = $1000- there are so many from Roland alone I'm a bit lost- - I'm tired = of drum machines and ready made loops and want to create my own drum and = percussion loops (I used to play drums)- I plan on using my computer as = the sound source- Thanks-=20 =20 Cliff ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C15959.DC65B920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For a much cheaper (and in my opinion = better)=20 alternative, just get a computer midi sequencer and buy a drum module = like the=20 alesis dm5. If you're going to buy an electric set, you have to go by = feel...and=20 most of them have none. I know a drummer who ruined his wrists playing = for years=20 on only electric kits. If youre not going to play them for performance = or=20 anything like that, I would reccomend just getting some sort of trigger = pad=20 device that you can play without having to go in on a whole set. But = again thats=20 just my opinion, I hate playing lifeless drums. It takes a lot of = the fun=20 out of it. Good luck
 
 
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Sent: Saturday, October 20, = 2001 10:58=20 AM
Subject: OT: Elec. Drum Kit=20 Opinions?

Hi all-
 
I wanted to get some opinions on midi = drum kits-=20 preferably around $1000- there are so many from Roland alone I'm a bit = lost- -=20 I'm tired of drum machines and ready made loops and want to create my = own drum=20 and percussion loops (I used to play drums)- I plan on using my = computer as=20 the sound source- Thanks-
 
Cliff
------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C15959.DC65B920-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 20 18:21:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01483; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 18:14:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 18:14:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011020221415.88768.qmail@web20702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 15:14:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Deveaux Subject: Re: Elec. Drum Kit Opinions? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001e01c15994$895ba100$0200a8c0@wienerdog> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I purchased a zendrum (I got it used for less than 1/2 list price.) & I loved it so much that I sold my acoustic kit. I have used the zendrum to control several sound sources (Alesis, Roland V Drum, Roland JV-1080, etc.) They are at: http://www.zendrum.com --- Funkay wrote: > For a much cheaper (and in my opinion better) > alternative, just get a computer midi sequencer > and buy a drum module like the alesis dm5. If > you're going to buy an electric set, you have > to go by feel...and most of them have none. I > know a drummer who ruined his wrists playing > for years on only electric kits. If youre not > going to play them for performance or anything > like that, I would reccomend just getting some > sort of trigger pad device that you can play > without having to go in on a whole set. But > again thats just my opinion, I hate playing > lifeless drums. It takes a lot of the fun out > of it. Good luck > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Om_Audio > To: Loopers Delight > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 10:58 AM > Subject: OT: Elec. Drum Kit Opinions? > > > Hi all- > > I wanted to get some opinions on midi drum > kits- preferably around $1000- there are so > many from Roland alone I'm a bit lost- - I'm > tired of drum machines and ready made loops and > want to create my own drum and percussion loops > (I used to play drums)- I plan on using my > computer as the sound source- Thanks- > > Cliff > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 20 19:49:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06080; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 19:48:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 19:48:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 16:51:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Novax Fan Fret Guitar Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Loopers, I am selling a Novax Fan Fret hard tail strat-style guitar. Ralph Novax is apparently not making these anymore due to a degenerative eye condition that is robbing him of his sight. This is to bad, because his work is brilliant. This guitar is in great playing condition, minimal fret wear, and a few dings. It features a light weight swamp ash body that is white with the most uniqu blue mother o' toilet seat pickgaurd and truss rod cover I have seen. The neck is maple with a highly figured birdseye maple fret board. The original neck finish did not set well so I stripped the playing surface and had it refinished with hand applied shellac laquer for that wonderful bare wood feel. The pickup combination is modern Lestercaster with a Duncan lil' 59 in the neck, Kinman avn62 in the middle, and a duncan JBjr in the bridge. The 5 way switch automatically switches the humbuckers to single coils in positions 4 and 2. It has a master volume, master tone, and a pan control that brings the neck pickup in to play when the 5 way is switch to bridge position. Tre' cool.It also has sperzel locking tuners and a wilkinson stop tail piece, and a levys bag. The Fan Fret design creates better string to string definition, superior intonation, more comfortable playing positions, particularly for long stretch torture chords,and easier unwound string bending. I will one day kick my own ass for selling it, but I have too many strats and I tend to play wammy bar equipped models more. Also I need to build a new computer music system and I need the dinero. This is a serious guitar that, when it was last available, retailed factory direct for about $2000. A dealer in Vintage Guitar magazine was selling a Rick Derringer owned novax strat for $4000! I'll consider anything over $1000 a serious offer. I will try to take some photos if necessary Thanks , Bill Walker chillyb@cruzio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 20 19:53:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06463; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 19:52:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 19:52:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.76.80.51] From: "Holly Green" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Elec. Drum Kit Opinions? Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 18:51:25 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2001 23:51:26.0203 (UTC) FILETIME=[21674CB0:01C159C2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From: "Om_Audio" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: "Loopers Delight" >Subject: OT: Elec. Drum Kit Opinions? >Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 10:58:56 -0700 > >Hi all- > >I wanted to get some opinions on midi drum kits- preferably around $1000- >there are so many from Roland alone I'm a bit lost- - I'm tired of drum >machines and ready made loops and want to create my own drum and percussion >loops (I used to play drums)- I plan on using my computer as the sound >source- Thanks- > >Cliff -I'd recommend the Roland V-Drums. That's what I've got. They feel like real drums! I'm not sure what they sell for now, but I got them for around $4,000. I also used to play drums. Now, they just sit in my room. (I'm unable to play for long periods of time because of Arthritis and Fibromyalgia) But, I've been thinking about recording drum loops to sell. I don't even know where to start. Any info would be useful! -Holly _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 21 03:10:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA29358; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 03:08:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 03:08:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011020235618.04a81eb0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 00:04:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: JaM-Man schematics.... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Maneco- I actually have the complete service manuals for both the jamman and the vortex, including the schematics. Lexicon gave them to me to put on Looper's Delight, but I've never had time to deal with all the scanning since they are only in hard copy and fairly long. Twice now people have volunteered to do this job for me and I made copies of the manuals and delivered it to them, and then they flaked out and disappeared. So these docs are still not available to people. (if any *reliable* people with scanning skills are interested in doing this project and bettering the world as a result, let me know.) If you have some specific question to ask about them, let me know and maybe I can help you out. kim At 08:29 PM 10/18/2001, maneco tacuarembo wrote: >does anyone have these? > >i've built a 12 bit delay,with 76 seconds,and i would like to know how to >improve it... > >now there´s a new rom,check bob sellon's page,looks like an incredible >machine now.... > >i'd also like to have the vortex circuits,i'm interested in learning more >about it... > > >---------- >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 21 04:06:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA32601; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 04:06:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 04:06:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c15a07$2a10cea0$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011020235618.04a81eb0@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: JaM-Man schematics.... Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 01:05:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have mad scanning skillz yo, and am willing to better the world- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 12:04 AM Subject: Re: JaM-Man schematics.... > Hi Maneco- > I actually have the complete service manuals for both the jamman and the > vortex, including the schematics. Lexicon gave them to me to put on > Looper's Delight, but I've never had time to deal with all the scanning > since they are only in hard copy and fairly long. Twice now people have > volunteered to do this job for me and I made copies of the manuals and > delivered it to them, and then they flaked out and disappeared. So these > docs are still not available to people. (if any *reliable* people with > scanning skills are interested in doing this project and bettering the > world as a result, let me know.) > > If you have some specific question to ask about them, let me know and maybe > I can help you out. > > kim > > > At 08:29 PM 10/18/2001, maneco tacuarembo wrote: > > >does anyone have these? > > > >i've built a 12 bit delay,with 76 seconds,and i would like to know how to > >improve it... > > > >now there´s a new rom,check bob sellon's page,looks like an incredible > >machine now.... > > > >i'd also like to have the vortex circuits,i'm interested in learning more > >about it... > > > > > >---------- > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 21 05:09:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA06855; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 05:08:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 05:08:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011021015919.0495b120@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 02:04:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: JaM-Man schematics.... In-Reply-To: <000b01c15a07$2a10cea0$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011020235618.04a81eb0@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeah, but are you reliable? I need references. Can anybody here vouch for cliff? kim At 01:05 AM 10/21/2001, Om_Audio wrote: >I have mad scanning skillz yo, and am willing to better the world- > >Cliff > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kim Flint" >To: >Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 12:04 AM >Subject: Re: JaM-Man schematics.... > > > > Hi Maneco- > > I actually have the complete service manuals for both the jamman and the > > vortex, including the schematics. Lexicon gave them to me to put on > > Looper's Delight, but I've never had time to deal with all the scanning > > since they are only in hard copy and fairly long. Twice now people have > > volunteered to do this job for me and I made copies of the manuals and > > delivered it to them, and then they flaked out and disappeared. So these > > docs are still not available to people. (if any *reliable* people with > > scanning skills are interested in doing this project and bettering the > > world as a result, let me know.) > > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 21 08:52:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA15217; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 08:51:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 08:51:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011021084559.007edaf0@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 08:45:59 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: JaM-Man schematics.... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011020235618.04a81eb0@loopers-delight.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com While they're not the service manuals, Lexicon has the complete operator's manuals for many of their discontinued products available for download as PDFs. Vortex: Jammer: Misc: plus many others... -t- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 21 15:15:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19598; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 15:14:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 15:14:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a201c15a65$3274d9c0$b553e540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: Subject: Re: electric tuba tour rolls on Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 15:18:42 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009D_01C15A43.AB187520" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009D_01C15A43.AB187520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I thought I'd encourage any serious promoters on this list to take up Tom Heasley's open-offer for concerts in the next few weeks on his way back to California. I booked him here in Toronto last month and the performance was VERY well appreciated by loopers and ambient fans in this city. I've just uploaded a page of live performance photos from that show where he played a beautiful solo set then improvised with The Ambient Ping Orchestra. (7 ambient looping improvisers) http://www.theambientping.com/apo_270901.html There's 2 more shots from Tom's solo set on tuba & digeridoo here: http://www.theambientping.com/index.html#270901 Contact Tom at TomHeasley@aol.com Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.mp3.com/dreamSTATE ----- Original Message -----=20 From: TomHeasley@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, 10 October, 2001 9:01 PM Subject: electric tuba tour rolls on Hi,=20 I've heard rumors to the effect that comments have been posted to the = list re: some of my recent concerts around the U.S. and Canada. I just = today subscribed from the aol address I've been using on tour. Thought = it might be worth mentioning that I'm open to offers/suggestions re: = performances on the way home to Palo Alto, California (I'm near = Syracuse, NY, tonight).=20 I keep thinking I'm done, and another offer comes up. Looks like = Oberlin Conservatory in Ohio sometime next week, and I've just been = offered something in Minnesota the second week of November...=20 Best,=20 Tom Heasley=20 ------=_NextPart_000_009D_01C15A43.AB187520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I thought I'd encourage any serious promoters on = this list to=20 take up
Tom Heasley's open-offer for = concerts in=20 the next few weeks on his
way back to California. I booked him here in Toronto = last=20 month and
the performance was VERY well appreciated by loopers = and=20 ambient
fans in this city. I've just uploaded a page of live = performance photos
from that show where he played a beautiful solo set = then=20 improvised
with The Ambient Ping = Orchestra. (7=20 ambient looping improvisers)
http://www.theambi= entping.com/apo_270901.html
 
There's 2 more shots from Tom's solo set on tuba = &=20 digeridoo here:
http://www.theam= bientping.com/index.html#270901
 
Contact Tom at TomHeasley@aol.com
 
Cheers,
Scott M2
 
http://www.dreamSTATE.to
ambient= electronicsoundscapes
http://www.mp3.com/dreamSTATE<= BR>
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 TomHeasley@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delig= ht.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, 10 October, = 2001 9:01=20 PM
Subject: electric tuba tour = rolls=20 on

Hi, =

I've heard=20 rumors to the effect that comments have been posted to the list re: = some of my=20 recent concerts around the U.S. and Canada.  I just today = subscribed from=20 the aol address I've been using on tour.  Thought it might be = worth=20 mentioning that I'm open to offers/suggestions re: performances on the = way=20 home to Palo Alto, California (I'm near Syracuse, NY, tonight). =

I keep=20 thinking I'm done, and another offer comes up.  Looks like = Oberlin=20 Conservatory in Ohio sometime next week, and I've just been offered = something=20 in Minnesota the second week of November...

Best,

Tom=20 Heasley ------=_NextPart_000_009D_01C15A43.AB187520-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 21 18:30:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31077; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 18:29:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 18:29:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: dgoat@quik.com Message-ID: <3BD349E2.88C73492@quik.com> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 15:19:14 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Power mod help References: <00f201c1583a$5b0842a0$0e0aa8c0@den> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Chris Chovit wrote: > > Have you tried it with 9V DC? It should work just fine.... > - Chris Yup, but the DL4 goes into overload after about 4 or 5 seconds. So, I'm thinking I need to cut down the amount of voltage getting to it. > >So, I've got a line 6 DL4, which is powered by a 9v AC power supply. The > >rest of my pedalboard is powered by a voodoo labs DC multi power supply. > >Now, the DL4 will also run on 6v DC (supplied by 4 C batteries.) So, is > >there any mod or device I can put inbetween the voodoo lab and the DL4 > >to cut the 9v DC down to 6v DC? > > > >Thanks! > > > >D.G. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 21 20:00:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03722; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 19:59:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 19:59:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c15a83$fec00fe0$0e0aa8c0@den> From: "Doug Cox" To: Subject: EFC-7 mod wiring diagram Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 18:59:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <4wQTcC.A.yq.HF207@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias mentioned this recently, so I'm hoping that he or someone else who's done it (Dennis?) can give a complete solder-peasant directions on exactly how to modify an EFC-7 to control 2 EDPs independently, while informing the rest of the group. This may be something Matthias is going to put in his write up on using multiple EDPs.... What I know: I'll need to drill 2 holes in my EFC-7, one in the back for the 1/4" phono plug and one in the top for a 2-position toggle switch (to switch between plug A and B) The size of the holes will be dependant on exactly which plug and switch I buy (no problem, I have a drill and various metal bits!) :) I want the 2-position toggle switch to choose between plug A and B, so that the EFC-7 controls 2 EDPs independently (but obviously, not simultaneously) What I don't know: Will a DPDT on-on toggle switch work for this? Something like this (?): http://www.allelectronics.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?category=700525&item=STS- 800&type=store How do I solder the wires for this and the new 1/4" plug, given the existing wiring setup inside the EFC-7? A wiring diagram for dummies, please? I have a soldering iron and good solder for small parts. I promise not to burn the house down, but any other tips on getting this done are greatly appreciated! Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 21 21:18:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07178; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 21:12:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 21:12:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BD37FDA.72056F67@cabq.gov> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 19:09:30 -0700 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: JaM-Man schematics.... References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011020235618.04a81eb0@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com After I finish the T-shirt project (hopefully getting shirt delivery next week!) I would be willing to take this on. Got a scanner at home. But I cant handle it until all my other work is done, and thats gonna take a little while. I suppose delivering the proceeds to Kim will serve as adequate references. later, -jas Albuquerque Kim Flint wrote: > Hi Maneco- > I actually have the complete service manuals for both the jamman and the > vortex, including the schematics. Lexicon gave them to me to put on > Looper's Delight, but I've never had time to deal with all the scanning > since they are only in hard copy and fairly long. Twice now people have > volunteered to do this job for me and I made copies of the manuals and > delivered it to them, and then they flaked out and disappeared. So these > docs are still not available to people. (if any *reliable* people with > scanning skills are interested in doing this project and bettering the > world as a result, let me know.) > > If you have some specific question to ask about them, let me know and maybe > I can help you out. > > kim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 21 23:36:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15037; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 23:34:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 23:34:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 23:33:21 -0400 To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" From: Tom Ritchford Subject: nyc loop show 10/21 update Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com had a splendid weekend (see next post) but here's the goods on the NYC Looper's fest. 1. Chashama I talked to someone in the know (Benton!) who gave me the phone number of the Chashama booker. They are only open till March of next year! So we'd better hurryr. My contact told me that they might be MORE into the seminar/concert combination which gives me some interesting ideas... see below. I still don't know about what sort of PA they have. I know that they have SOME sort of PA, and for my purposes any PA that can put out respectable sound is fine. If we need to get vocals out over a rock band, then we'd need a bigger PA. He's in Tuesday-Friday so I'll call Tuesday. 2. People who are interested this time. LET ME KNOW IF I SKIPPED YOU! "David Beardsley" Matthias Grob kenn lowy "brian mulvey" Nemoguitt@aol.com Tom Ritchford Steve Sandberg "jeff snyder" "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" Andreas Willers Did I miss anyone? 3. People who WERE interested last time but haven't responded yet. (* == I contacted them again tonight) Robby Aceto antonio melo Elias Faingersh (*) David Lee Myers(!) Phil Raath (who has contributed on the thread so I assume is interested). Todd Reynolds (*) Paul Sullivan /Shrub Monkeys (*) David Torn The Moving Sidewalk Christina Wheeler (who isn't on the list and thus doesn't know -- I'll contact her when we have a date.) 4. Faraway places that people come from that sound good in advertising. California Wisconsin Switzerland(!) Germany(!) 5. Proposed and tentaive new plan for show. I'm starting to think that the standard concert hall is not going to be the best idea for what we have. 5.1. There are several problems with a standard hall. 5.1.1. There are many acts. There are varying degrees of skill and varying complexities of setup. So we realistically need quite a lot of time to set up AND we have to be prepared to debug some people's setups. 5.1.2 There are too many acts to fit into one night. 5.1.3. One night isn't really worthwhile for people who are coming from far away. 5.2. A workshop, then a concert! I know that I slagged the workshop plan initially but if I keep an open mind I'm going to have to change it sometimes, right? I really think that Chashama is the ONLY space in the city that's appropriate for this, so I'm going to rustle it up as soon as I can -- or fail to do so so that we know what's happening! 5.3. So my new thought involves the following plan. 5.3.1. Set up everyone in the morning. 5.3.1.1. Many chances to debug. 5.3.1.2. Even possible to rent or buy gear if needed. 5.3.1.3. Chashama is close to Times Square, thus great for gear and rentals, though shitty for parking. 5.3.2. Have a free workshop in the afternoon with some scheduled demonstrations. 5.3.2.1. Everyone is set up already. 5.3.2.2. People can show off how their gear works. 5.3.2.3. People can sell their CDs and T-shirts in a relaxed environment. 5.3.2.4. We can have short demonstration shows at various points. 5.3.2.5. Chashama is closed to Times Square so we get a BIG walkin crowd. 5.3.2.6. Free advertising for the show! 5.3.3. Have a $10 concert in the evening. 5.3.3.1. Organized setlist. 5.3.3.2. If there are too many acts, we can cut some down because they'll have had a chance to play earlier. 5.3.3.3. Have several free-for-all jams too (perhaps one drone and one pulsed?) which can also include other members. 5.3.3.4. We have more time than a conventional show because we can start early and end late, at the risk of having NO clients at certain points. 6. What happens next? 6.1. You respond. Do you like these ideas? Or, do you hate 'em? Do you have great ideas yourself?? Do you now want to play? Have you now lost interest? etc. etc. 6.2. I secure Chashama or at least find out what the deal is. 6.3. I get back to you by Friday with information about how it's going. Seems good? /t http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 21 23:49:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15646; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 23:48:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 23:48:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 23:46:37 -0400 To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" From: Tom Ritchford Subject: butthole surfers: my first looper experience! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the reason I didn't get the looper stuff out yesterday is that I saw the Butthole Surfers on Friday -- and partway through the show, I realized that the first live looping I ever saw was by them! If you don't know this band, you should. The lead singer, Gibby Haines, runs his voice through a small rack of effects that he has complete mastery over, so his voice goes from a booming demon to a petulant child to "sounding like he's gargling his own phlegm" as one reviewer said. But his classic trick is catching loops of part of his voice for a few moments and then throwing them through delays or playing with the speed of the loop for a second before going on. He does it so well and clearly that I refer to that effect as "Gibbyization" to people and if they know the band they know exactly what I mean. They were in fine form on Friday night, not playing much of their new, rather commercial material, but mostly old weird heavily affected songs. I was very interested to see how often Gibby uses an effect that would fit into our Looper's category -- it's almost every song, whether he catches a long note at the end of a phrase and plays with it for a moment or catches a long phrase and throws it around for a long time... somewhat loop-related story: at Lollapalooza, Gibby comes out with an authentic shotgun over his shoulder and explains that "some black dude" is following him around, claiming Gibby owes him money. As he says this, a simply huge African-American man runs out with a liquor bottle and smashes it over Gibby's head really hard. Gibby falls to the ground as if poleaxed, the man rifles his pockets, pulls out some money, waves it to the crowd and saunters off. Gibby gets up and staggers around and starts blasting the shotgun over the heads of the crowd. And the bottle hitting his head was the downbeat of the first song! All an act of course but it REALLY makes you jump when an apparently crazy person starts firing (even blanks) a few dozen feet from where you are at! At the end of the show, Gibby put up a long loop of his voice, almost understandable, that said something like "Danger, something something EVERYONE something leave auditorium" like an evil emergency announcement, and left. Of course, we were outside, but he managed to completely confuse the crowd who milled about in a splendidly incoherent fashion wondering what to do! /t http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 22 00:06:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA17461; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:06:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:06:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:03:15 -0400 To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" From: Tom Ritchford Subject: we buy gold Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My new musical act is with the noted animator Steven Speer and is called We Buy Gold. And guess what, lots of live loops and lots of canned loops. We are doing this backwards by today's standards and actually working up music before creating logos and branding. Radical, to be sure. It seems a little silly even, surely you should do the important part of pandering FIRST before doing the almost-irrelevant musical part?(*) For those of you with high-bandwidth connections ONLY, here's semi-raw tapes of two of our three compositions to date. There are three LONG mp3s there, so I should describe these BEFORE you download them and hate them: these are long soundscapes, moving in and out of beats or beat-like things, with quite a lot of abrupt changes and surprises. It's got a few too many beats and changes to be ambient but certainly fits in the category of electronic. Instrumentation: me: vox, WX-7 electronic wind instrument (VL-70 synth) ProMix 01V mixer, DL-4, Headrush, MIDI Mitigator Steve: two old Boss drum/bass machines, an old Memoryman pedal, a Minidisk player and in the last one, a laptop with some sort of sample mangler on it. http://WeBuyGoldNY.com/high /t -- (* -- yes, I am being sarcastic.) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 22 00:30:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA18270; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:29:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:29:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <018701c15ab2$7c463920$96a9fea9@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: Subject: Re: we buy gold Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:31:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hmmm, tried the link tom, but got a 404. am i too early ;-) mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ritchford" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 12:03 AM Subject: we buy gold > My new musical act is with the noted animator Steven Speer and > is called We Buy Gold. And guess what, lots of live loops > and lots of canned loops. > > We are doing this backwards by today's standards and actually > working up music before creating logos and branding. > > Radical, to be sure. It seems a little silly even, > surely you should do the important part of pandering FIRST > before doing the almost-irrelevant musical part?(*) > > For those of you with high-bandwidth connections ONLY, > here's semi-raw tapes of two of our three compositions > to date. > > There are three LONG mp3s there, so I should describe > these BEFORE you download them and hate them: these are > long soundscapes, moving in and out of beats or beat-like > things, with quite a lot of abrupt changes and surprises. > > It's got a few too many beats and changes to be ambient > but certainly fits in the category of electronic. > > Instrumentation: > > me: vox, WX-7 electronic wind instrument (VL-70 synth) > ProMix 01V mixer, DL-4, Headrush, MIDI Mitigator > > Steve: > two old Boss drum/bass machines, an old Memoryman pedal, > a Minidisk player and in the last one, a laptop with > some sort of sample mangler on it. > > http://WeBuyGoldNY.com/high > > /t > > -- > > (* -- yes, I am being sarcastic.) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 22 00:37:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA18601; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:36:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:36:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <018701c15ab2$7c463920$96a9fea9@melon> References: <018701c15ab2$7c463920$96a9fea9@melon> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:34:33 -0400 To: From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: we buy gold Cc: "Michael LaMeyer" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Michael LaMeyer" very kindly told me: >hmmm, tried the link tom, but got a 404. > >am i too early ;-) I am an idiot and spelled "high", "hi". Fixed it http://WeBuyGoldNY.com/high now works. My bad for not proofing! /t http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 22 00:59:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA19454; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:58:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:58:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:02:49 -0500 Subject: Elec.Drum Kit Options From: Tom Roady To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3086553769_14389530_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3086553769_14389530_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I have to agree with Robert...a Zendrum is definitely the way to go if your going to loop in your computer. I've been playing Zendrum since 94'...I used to play them at NAMM shows for the company. Now we just sell them off the internet. The touch and response from them is amazing. Also check out the Roland Handsonic. I use them both...they are both incredible musical instruments yet they are very different from each other...The Zendrum is much more capable of melodic things and "Futureman" style drumming and percussion playing. It doesn't have sounds on board though....at least not yet. The Handsonic on the other hand has great sounds layed out in presets that are really playable ...If you play hand drums at all you will love it. It has a limited sequencer on board but you can definitely create some great loops with it. I use different sound sources with the Zendrum and loop with my EDP live and then let the Handsonic send midi out to the EDP. I'll be playing at next month's Percussive Arts Society International Convention in Nashville along with another percussionist who also is using an EDP. Finally ,if you really want to use sticks to input into your computer, the cheapest way to go in my opinion is to pick up a used DRUMKAT. You can get them for around $500-$600. That and a trigger kick and you're happening! V-DRUMs???? Great...but BIG BUCKS! tr From: Robert Deveaux Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 15:14:15 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Elec. Drum Kit Opinions? I purchased a zendrum (I got it used for less than 1/2 list price.) & I loved it so much that I sold my acoustic kit. I have used the zendrum to control several sound sources (Alesis, Roland V Drum, Roland JV-1080, etc.) They are at: http://www.zendrum.com --- Funkay wrote: > For a much cheaper (and in my opinion better) > alternative, just get a computer midi sequencer > and buy a drum module like the alesis dm5. If > you're going to buy an electric set, you have > to go by feel...and most of them have none. I > know a drummer who ruined his wrists playing > for years on only electric kits. If youre not > going to play them for performance or anything > like that, I would reccomend just getting some > sort of trigger pad device that you can play > without having to go in on a whole set. But > again thats just my opinion, I hate playing > lifeless drums. It takes a lot of the fun out > of it. Good luck > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Om_Audio > To: Loopers Delight > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 10:58 AM > Subject: OT: Elec. Drum Kit Opinions? > > > Hi all- > > I wanted to get some opinions on midi drum > kits- preferably around $1000- there are so > many from Roland alone I'm a bit lost- - I'm > tired of drum machines and ready made loops and > want to create my own drum and percussion loops > (I used to play drums)- I plan on using my > computer as the sound source- Thanks- > > Cliff > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com --MS_Mac_OE_3086553769_14389530_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Elec.Drum Kit Options I have to agree with Robert...a Zendrum is definitely the way to go if y= our going to loop in your computer. I've been playing Zendrum since 94'...I = used to play them at NAMM shows for the company. Now we just sell them off t= he internet. The touch and response from them is amazing.
Also check out the Roland Handsonic. I use them both...they are both incre= dible musical instruments yet they are very different from each other...The = Zendrum is much more capable of melodic things and "Futureman" sty= le drumming and percussion playing. It doesn't have sounds on board though..= ..at least not yet.
The Handsonic on the other hand has great sounds layed out in presets that= are really playable ...If you play hand drums at all you will love it. It h= as a limited sequencer on board but you can definitely create some great loo= ps with it.
I use different sound sources with the Zendrum and loop with my EDP live a= nd then let the Handsonic send midi out to the EDP. I'll be playing at next = month's Percussive Arts Society International Convention in Nashville along = with another percussionist who also is using an EDP.
 Finally ,if you really want to use sticks to input into your compute= r, the cheapest way to go in my opinion is to pick up a used DRUMKAT. You ca= n get them for around $500-$600. That and a trigger kick and you're happenin= g! V-DRUMs???? Great...but BIG BUCKS!   tr


From: Robert Deveaux <robert_deveaux@yahoo.= com>
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 15:14:15 -0700 (PDT)
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Elec. Drum Kit Opinions?

I purchased a zendrum (I got it used for less
than 1/2 list price.) & I loved it so much that I
sold my acoustic kit.  I have used the zendrum to
control several sound sources (Alesis, Roland V
Drum, Roland JV-1080, etc.)
They are at:
http://www.zendrum.com
--- Funkay <funkay@mindless.com> = wrote:
> For a much cheaper (and in my opinion better)
> alternative, just get a computer midi sequencer
> and buy a drum module like the alesis dm5. If
> you're going to buy an electric set, you have
> to go by feel...and most of them have none. I
> know a drummer who ruined his wrists playing
> for years on only electric kits. If youre not
> going to play them for performance or anything
> like that, I would reccomend just getting some
> sort of trigger pad device that you can play
> without having to go in on a whole set. But
> again thats just my opinion, I hate playing
> lifeless drums. It takes a lot of the fun out
> of it. Good luck
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Om_Audio
>   To: Loopers Delight
>   Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 10:58 AM
>   Subject: OT: Elec. Drum Kit Opinions?
>
>
>   Hi all-
>    
>   I wanted to get some opinions on midi drum
> kits- preferably around $1000- there are so
> many from Roland alone I'm a bit lost- - I'm
> tired of drum machines and ready made loops and
> want to create my own drum and percussion loops
> (I used to play drums)- I plan on using my
> computer as the sound source- Thanks-
>    
>   Cliff
>


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 --MS_Mac_OE_3086553769_14389530_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 22 02:03:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA23847; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 02:02:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 02:02:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 23:06:53 -0700 Subject: Re: OT design vs programming? From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3BCDF757.156122C0@earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> Photoshop still has the same features it did three years ago. >> It wouldn't take you more than a day to learn what's changed. I resent that remark. Well, maybe not the assertion about needing only a day because perhaps that's just because the changes are so intuitive and obvious, but somehow I doubt that. I could read this as "all of the old features are still there" but then the response would be that C has changed even less in the last three years. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 22 02:03:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA23846; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 02:02:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 02:02:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 23:06:53 -0700 Subject: OT: Running status (was Re: Behringer Footcontroller) From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6-oCb.A.4zF.NZ707@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Some MIDI equipment is decidedly unhappy with running state. As I recall, when I had MIDI software that exploited this, it would crash my Korg DDD-1 drum machine fairly hard. I forget how I worked out that that was what was going on. My fix was to insert a MIDI Manager module -- this is effectively ancient history -- that doubled all of the note sends on an extra channel so that running state wouldn't apply. Mark P.S. I sold off the DDD-1 a while ago for not a lot of money. I've been listening to some old recordings I did with it and realizing that in some sense I haven't had nearly as much success creating drum loops with its successors, an Alesis SR-16 and a Roland MC-505. What I think I really want is a MIDI version of the EDP with the additional benefit of being able to do things like erase notes, tweak quantization, etc.. Any suggestions? on 10/19/01 1:09 AM, Matthias Grob at matthias@grob.org wrote: >> Thanks, Matthias, >> >>> the advantage is that its safer, since you only send out complete >> commands. >> >> and: can you explain what you mean by "safer"? >> >> bruce > > Using RunningState, if any byte gets lost or altered, or a unit is > switched into a rolling MIDI stream, then the whole sequence of MIDI > commands looses sense, whereas if you repeat the main command byte > with each date byte, the error is limited to one command. But I dont > think you have to consider this. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 22 02:44:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA25407; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 02:43:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 02:43:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 23:42:58 -0700 Subject: Re: OT design vs programming? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <07E9F53C-C6B8-11D5-9CD2-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com totally off topic, but Photoshop now comes bundled with a program called Image Ready. It adds a TON of useful web oriented features to Photoshop. AND it has a ton of new vector based features that make trips into Illustrator a lot less frequent. Don't even get me started about the advancements in how it deals with text. Frankly, few programs out there have matured as nicely as Photoshop in my opinion. Now, if they only had an OSX native version, that would be sweet. While I'm at it, I wish I had a single audio/midi program that ran native in OSX. Deck and Peak seem to be the only ones, but Deck has no midi functions to speak of. Anyone know of any companies that are going to take advantage of OSX's native MIDI support? Mark On Sunday, October 21, 2001, at 11:06 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: >>> Photoshop still has the same features it did three years ago. >>> It wouldn't take you more than a day to learn what's changed. > > I resent that remark. > > Well, maybe not the assertion about needing only a day because perhaps > that's just because the changes are so intuitive and obvious, but > somehow I > doubt that. > > I could read this as "all of the old features are still there" but then > the > response would be that C has changed even less in the last three years. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 22 02:58:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA25773; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 02:53:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 02:53:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 02:51:44 -0400 To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" From: Tom Ritchford Subject: slightly OT: other lists you might like. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Other lists, mostly mine, which you might well be interested in if you are interested in arts or strangeness. 1. extreme NY is my New York City music and art events list, geared to the unusual, the bizarre, the unique or just plain inexplicable. Send email to extremeNY-subscribe@topica.com has more information. One to two messages a day average (wide fluctuations). There's also the extreme NY calendar, http://extremeNY.com/calendar where you can see New York City area music and art events, or post yer own... 2. the extremely diverse list Originally intended as a discussion list about extreme music and arts, it's become a broadcast of the most exotic and aesthetic URLS from lots of informed but demented web surfing. Recent Subjects included: fashions in animal music chemistry porn AOL is bad for your genital health history of perpetual motion machines faux kitty death theatre The topics are *very* varied, sometimes offensive, so please be warned. Drop an email to extreme-subscribe@topica.com has more information. 3. Fortean research list This is a moderately high volume but surprisingly low-noise list researching anomalous ("Fortean") events throughout the world. email to fort-subscribe@yahoogroups.com mailto:fort-subscribe@yahoogroups.com 4. New York Fortean news blogger. This was a little side project of mine, anomalous news from the New York area, that was going nicely and is now sitting like a stopped clock with the last post on September 10. Send your weird New York news to me or I can make you an editor easy as pie. http://fortNY.com/news http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 22 03:05:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA27241; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 03:04:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 03:04:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <07E9F53C-C6B8-11D5-9CD2-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> References: <07E9F53C-C6B8-11D5-9CD2-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 03:02:03 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: OT design vs programming? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >totally off topic, but Photoshop now comes bundled with a program >called Image Ready. It adds a TON of useful web oriented features >to Photoshop. AND it has a ton of new vector based features that >make trips into Illustrator a lot less frequent. Don't even get me >started about the advancements in how it deals with text. No, no, I'm sorry, I did get a little carried away there with Photoshop which is in my mind one of the Great Programs, powerful but still simple to use. >Frankly, few programs out there have matured as nicely as Photoshop >in my opinion. Now, if they only had an OSX native version, that >would be sweet. While I'm at it, I wish I had a single audio/midi >program that ran native in OSX. Deck and Peak seem to be the only >ones, but Deck has no midi functions to speak of. Anyone know of >any companies that are going to take advantage of OSX's native MIDI >support? http://www.atpm.com/7.09/barline.shtml has a nice article about upcoming OS/X music applications. Emagic had demoed a beta, don't know if it has come out since the article, MOTU wasn't promising something too, Digidesign wasn't saying. OS/X is supposed to be DYNAMITE for audio applications with a very low latency guaranteed. How, I dunno, because fully pre-emptive operating system like *nix can't generally make very tight guarantees as to when things are done. I'd guess it's combination of clever usage of timing hardware and careful use of interrupts, wish I a reference for this. Question. Is anyone here using MOTU's Digital Performer? How well does it work? /t http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 22 03:06:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA27376; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 03:05:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 03:05:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Elec.Drum Kit Options Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 07:04:48 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Oct 2001 07:04:48.0619 (UTC) FILETIME=[D676DBB0:01C15AC7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone know of the drummer's equivalent of a midi pedalboard? I'm looking for a small 3-6 drum-pad midi controller to control my EDP through midi. As a drummer, I usually have trouble using the pedals while playing set... I would love to be able to just hit a pad next to my snare drum to start recording and another one to overdub. I think I could do quite well with just 3 pads: record, overdub, and multiply. Jon _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 22 05:36:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA01661; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 05:34:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 05:34:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007801c15add$11c9e1c0$a22bf7a5@billcumm> Reply-To: "Bill Cummings" From: "Bill Cummings" To: References: <002201c15990$e49642e0$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Elec. Drum Kit Opinions? Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 05:29:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01C15ABA.845BA520" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <0rbygB.A.yZ.hg-07@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C15ABA.845BA520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Check out the dRUMKAT www.alternatemode.com way more powerful than any midi drum kit! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Om_Audio=20 To: Loopers Delight=20 Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 1:58 PM Subject: OT: Elec. Drum Kit Opinions? Hi all-=20 I wanted to get some opinions on midi drum kits- preferably around = $1000- there are so many from Roland alone I'm a bit lost- - I'm tired = of drum machines and ready made loops and want to create my own drum and = percussion loops (I used to play drums)- I plan on using my computer as = the sound source- Thanks-=20 Cliff ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C15ABA.845BA520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Check out the dRUMKAT
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Hi all-
 
I wanted to get some opinions on midi = drum kits-=20 preferably around $1000- there are so many from Roland alone I'm a bit = lost- -=20 I'm tired of drum machines and ready made loops and want to create my = own drum=20 and percussion loops (I used to play drums)- I plan on using my = computer as=20 the sound source- Thanks-
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C15ABA.845BA520-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 22 09:01:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11298; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 09:00:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 09:00:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 08:58:12 -0400 Subject: Re: Digital Performer From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200110220936.FAA01755@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3086585892_4953986_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3086585892_4953986_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Question. Is anyone here using MOTU's Digital Performer? How well does it work? DP is great -- I've been using it for maybe 10 years (starting with pre-digital versions). I love it -- it's reliable, well thought out and set up. One thing that's good about it is if you start to demand too much processing power, it will tell you rather than crash. --MS_Mac_OE_3086585892_4953986_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Digital Performer
Question.  Is anyone here using MOTU's Digi= tal Performer?
How well does it work?


DP is great -- I've been using it for maybe 10 years (starting with pre-dig= ital versions).  I love it -- it's reliable, well thought out and set u= p.  One thing that's good about it is if you start to demand too much p= rocessing power, it will tell you rather than crash.

 --MS_Mac_OE_3086585892_4953986_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 22 10:02:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14900; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 10:01:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 10:01:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BD427CF.2CD3AA0C@ripco.com> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 09:06:12 -0500 From: Eric Leonardson Reply-To: eleon@ripco.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Outer Ear Festival of Sound & something els Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7aTW_.A.QoD.OaC17@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fellow loopers, I just wanted to disseminate some info on new and unusual sound explorations... performances and on radio in Chicago.... received from... something else: 10 pm till 2 am- sundays wluw 88.7fm and via shoutcast.com something else will be broadcasting works from the second Outer Ear Festival of Sound- please visit http://www.expsoundstudio.org/outerear/index.htm for more information on the festival. Community email addresses: List owner: somethingelse-owner@onelist.com Shortcut URL to this page: http://www.onelist.com/community/somethingelse -- Eric Leonardson: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon Upcoming Performances: November 1, with Tatsuya Nakatani at splinter group Audio Studio, 450 N. Leavitt, Chicago. More info at http://www.zeggz.com/tat/ December 7-9 and 13-16, Plasticene's Volume XII at the Viaduct, Chicago From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 22 11:59:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19734; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:58:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:58:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Dave Hastings" To: Subject: RE: Running status (was Re: Behringer Footcontroller) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 09:02:57 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01c15b13$03eaa4a0$2f1d79a5@hmv5n> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <1-0yDD.A.3zE.HIE17@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Mark Hamburg [mailto:mark_hamburg@baymoon.com] > > What I think I really want is a MIDI version of the EDP > with the additional benefit of being able to do > things like erase notes, tweak quantization, etc.. Any suggestions? If you don't mind having a computer involved (and doing a little programming), you might look at KeyKit. It doesn't have EDP functionality out of the box, but it certainly could be done. I put together a very minimal loop recorder with it pretty quickly (finishing it is on my lengthy list of projects). It also has a set of code with it call "edp.k" which I haven't taken the time to decipher yet, but appears to offer some of the functionality as well. You can get KeyKit from http://www.nosuch.com/keykit -daveh From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 22 12:11:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21336; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 12:11:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 12:11:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005801c15b2e$465540a0$7f709818@default> From: "Daniel" To: Subject: Fw: Re: [SW] Looping Devices? Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 13:18:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "jOHN jENS" To: Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [SW] Looping Devices? > has anyone tried a Boomerang looping pedal? > http://www.boomerangmusic.com/ > i've seen them advertised but haven't had the chance to play one yet. > > -- > jOHN jENS jJENS@fREESHELL.oRG hTTP://3498479109/~jjens/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 22 12:13:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21478; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 12:12:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 12:12:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D007425B@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: OT design vs programming? Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 12:09:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C15B13.FF2F22F0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C15B13.FF2F22F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Don't even get me started about the advancements in how it deals with text. ** yeah - - and they still don't have a spell-check in it. what is with that? why not just add the illustrator spell-check? stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C15B13.FF2F22F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: OT design vs programming?

Don't even get me started
about the advancements in how it deals with = text.

** yeah - - and they still don't have a spell-check = in it. what is with that? why not just add the illustrator = spell-check?

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C15B13.FF2F22F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 22 13:13:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25240; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 13:05:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 13:05:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ejdrake@pop.mindspring.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <07E9F53C-C6B8-11D5-9CD2-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 13:04:36 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ed Drake Subject: OS X audio/midi was OT design vs programming? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Sottilaro wrote: >While I'm at it, I wish I had a single audio/midi program that >ran native in OSX. Deck and Peak seem to be the only ones, but Deck has >no midi functions to speak of. Anyone know of any companies that are >going to take advantage of OSX's native MIDI support? > >Mark I don't recall any one mentioning the article about OS X audio/midi that was in the Electronic Musician October '01 issue (the one with the recent torn article). Highlights includethe news that Emagics' Logic 5, as well as Bias and Deck should be out soon and MOTU is definitely porting DP. According to the article, Apple is hoping to have midi latency for each event in and out, of 1 ms with 0.2 jitter and audio latency of than 10 ms and probably even lower than that. There are a couple of cool links mentioned. http://developer.apple.com/audio/index.html and a pdf file at: http://developer.apple.com/audio/pdf/coreaudio.pdf Ed From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 22 13:47:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26792; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 13:46:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 13:46:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0ded01c15b20$a531f400$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <001201c15a83$fec00fe0$0e0aa8c0@den> Subject: Re: EFC-7 mod wiring diagram Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 12:40:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Doug! Yes, you'll want to drill two holes, in the EFC-7. And that's a PHONE jack rather than a PHONO jack. Here's my attempt at detailed directions (from memory)... 1) Get all your parts before you begin work. A SPDT switch is the minimum configuration required. A DPDT switch will be fine. If you want to use the modified EFC-7 as a footswitch, I highly recommend the switch listed below. recommended parts: 1) one push-on/push-off switch, try GC Electronics: http://www.gcwaldom.com/catalog.html part no: 35-0490-0000. This switch has an indicator that requires no power. It is a little pricey but worth it, IMHO. The switch is also available from other distributors. 2) one high quality 1/4" phone jack, chassis mount. I've had trouble with Radio Shack jacks. I'd recommend a Switchcraft manufactured jack. 3) insulated hook-up wire, 26 or 24 gauge, tinned 4) optional washers or spacer for switch (see directions) tools: 1) drill, drill bits, center punch. 2) soldering iron, rosin-core solder 3) wire cutters, needle-nose pliers 4) ohmmeter, VOM, or continuity checker (optional) 2) Make sure your switch will fit in the EFC-7 case. I mounted my switch in the upper right corner. The recommended switch is quite deep. I.e., it requires a lot of clearance behind the panel. Disassemble the EFC-7 case and try different switch locations. Make sure the switch will fit when the EFC-7 is reassembled. The EFC-7 panel is rather thin so you may need to add a thick washer or spacer between the switch and the front panel. With the spacer/washer in place, the switch protrudes further outside the case, giving the switch more clearance inside, behind the panel. I found my spacer (a white plastic cylinder) in the screen door repair parts of my local hardware store. I had to enlarge the hole but after that, it worked fine. Depending on what you find, you may also need to shorten you spacer. When you have a good location for the switch, mark it. Center punch the location. 3) Likewise, find a good location for the 1/4" phone jack. Mark it and center punch the location. 4) Start with small drill bits, say 1/8" inch diameter and drill the switch and jack holes. Gradually increase the hole sizes until the switch and jack fit. 5) Make sure you remove all the drill tailings and debur the holes. 6) Mount the switch and jack. Using your eyeballs (less recommended) or an ohmmeter (more recommended), find the correct contacts on the switch. Call them "common", "A", and "B". Before tightening the switch, rotate it so that the correct contacts can be easily accessed. 7) Connect the RING of the new jack to the RING of the existing jack. 8) Disconnect the wire going to the TIP of the existing jack. Connect it to the "common" terminal on the switch. Don't overcook the switch when you solder the wire as you can melt the switch. If possible, use the needle-nose pliers as a heat sink for the switch by using it to hold the terminal between the switch and the soldering point. 8) Connect the "A" switch terminal to the TIP of the existing jack. 9) Connect the "B" switch terminal to the TIP of the new jack. 10) Reassemble the EFC-7. Loop like crazy! Hope this helps (and is not insanely detailed)! Let me know if you've any questions. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 22 14:46:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30778; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 14:44:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 14:44:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BD468DF.3CF90DFE@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:43:38 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OS X audio/midi was OT design vs programming? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just got an email from Cakewalk that they have no current plans to write a version of Metro that will run in OSX. Thank's Cakewalk. Makes me wonder why I pay for applications. Mark Ed Drake wrote: > Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > >While I'm at it, I wish I had a single audio/midi program that > >ran native in OSX. Deck and Peak seem to be the only ones, but Deck has > >no midi functions to speak of. Anyone know of any companies that are > >going to take advantage of OSX's native MIDI support? > > > >Mark > > I don't recall any one mentioning the article about OS X audio/midi that > was in the Electronic Musician October '01 issue (the one with the recent > torn article). > > Highlights includethe news that Emagics' Logic 5, as well as Bias and Deck > should be out soon and MOTU is definitely porting DP. According to the > article, Apple is hoping to have midi latency for each event in and out, of > 1 ms with 0.2 jitter and audio latency of than 10 ms and probably even > lower than that. > > There are a couple of cool links mentioned. > > http://developer.apple.com/audio/index.html > > and a pdf file at: > > http://developer.apple.com/audio/pdf/coreaudio.pdf > > Ed From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 22 15:23:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00720; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:17:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:17:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.148.1.91] From: "Peter Underwood" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT Elec. Drum Kit Opinions? Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 12:16:38 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Oct 2001 19:16:38.0501 (UTC) FILETIME=[12CB2150:01C15B2E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've actually been very curious about the TrapKat for a number of years now. Thought that I would take this oppurtunity to see if anyone has any impressions of it. Originally I thought it would be great when I was doing some live, industrial, performance-y stuff (seemed strange I didn't see more of them out there in this genre), but now I've settled down in my old age and it just looks like a great alternative perc device for an already cramped studio space. Are they worth it? How much do they go for used? How rugged/reliable are they? Etc. -pete >From: "Bill Cummings" >Reply-To: "Bill Cummings" >To: >Subject: Re: Elec. Drum Kit Opinions? >Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 05:29:27 -0400 > >Check out the dRUMKAT >www.alternatemode.com > >way more powerful than any midi drum kit! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Om_Audio > To: Loopers Delight > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 1:58 PM > Subject: OT: Elec. Drum Kit Opinions? > > > Hi all- > > I wanted to get some opinions on midi drum kits- preferably around >$1000- there are so many from Roland alone I'm a bit lost- - I'm tired of >drum machines and ready made loops and want to create my own drum and >percussion loops (I used to play drums)- I plan on using my computer as the >sound source- Thanks- > > Cliff _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 22 15:39:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01593; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:38:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:38:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Mike McGary" To: Subject: RE: OT Elec. Drum Kit Opinions? Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 14:38:08 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Peter Underwood [mailto:skullyshakespeare@hotmail.com] > I've actually been very curious about the TrapKat for a number of > years now. I've owned a TrapKat for years. Bought it in 95' or so. I had trouble with it in the first 6 months...turned out to be a recall problem that was fixed by Kat free of charge. I haven't had a single problem with it since. It's been hammered on by many drummers, and is currently being used daily in practice and in every gig of the band I'm in...99 Names of God (www.99namesofgod.com). There are several things I enjoy about it: 1. Practice becomes a more controlled event. Since the drum volume is under control, everyone else keeps their volume low. One of my bands has 3 singers, and we don't even use mics to sing during practice. 2. Recording demos and quick stuff is great. No more 6 hours of drum mic placement and setup. This doesn't replace a professionally mic'd drum kit...but when you don't have the time or the cash... 3. Switching kits is nice...techno for one song, trash disco for another... You aren't going to get great press-rolls from an electronic drum. Even Roland's V-Drums can't capture the entire feeling of an accoustic kit. One thing to watch out for when switching to electronic drums live: guitarists. Guitarists (you know who you are) LOVE to keep cranking the volume as the hour grows late during a gig. With an accoustic kit...the drummer just starts hitting harder to keep up. When you play electronics...you reach a max velocity and it doesn't get any louder. So you are back there hitting harder and harder to try and keep your volume up...and it's not helping. You are just wearing yourself out. Sounds silly (why not grab the volume knob and turn yourself up?)...but I've had this happen to me, and several people I've played with on V-Drums and the TrapKat. You just get exhausted until you get used to backing off and not trying to play harder to play louder. Mike McGary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 22 15:58:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02426; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:52:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:52:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <121.5ed752f.2905d2c1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:51:29 EDT Subject: Re: OT Elec. Drum Kit Opinions? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_121.5ed752f.2905d2c1_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_121.5ed752f.2905d2c1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/22/01 3:38:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mcgary@metronet.com writes: > Guitarists (you know who you are) LOVE to keep > ive only ever done that just to keep up with the drummer.....:)m --part1_121.5ed752f.2905d2c1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/22/01 3:38:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mcgary@metronet.com writes:


Guitarists (you know who you are) LOVE to keep
cranking the volume as the hour grows late during a gig.


ive only ever done that just to keep up with the drummer.....:)m --part1_121.5ed752f.2905d2c1_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 22 15:59:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02709; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:58:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:58:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <002401c15b33$f8ee21a0$6601a8c0@akadine.com> From: "CS" To: References: <121.5ed752f.2905d2c1@aol.com> Subject: Re: OT Elec. Drum Kit Opinions? Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:58:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01C15B12.716EA4A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C15B12.716EA4A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For at least 3 shows, I the Guitarist decided to turn really low to see = if the reverse would hold true IE every one would turn down but in fact, = I discovered nobody in my band gave a shit and I had to go back to = yelling "dynamics!" during rehearsals. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 3:51 PM Subject: Re: OT Elec. Drum Kit Opinions? In a message dated 10/22/01 3:38:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, = mcgary@metronet.com writes:=20 Guitarists (you know who you are) LOVE to keep=20 cranking the volume as the hour grows late during a gig. ive only ever done that just to keep up with the drummer.....:)m=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C15B12.716EA4A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For at least 3 shows, I the Guitarist = decided to=20 turn really low to see if the reverse would hold true IE every one would = turn=20 down but in fact, I discovered nobody in my band gave a shit and I had = to go=20 back to yelling "dynamics!" during rehearsals.
----- Original Message -----
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In a = message dated=20 10/22/01 3:38:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mcgary@metronet.com writes: =


Guitarists (you know who you are) LOVE to keep =
cranking the=20 volume as the hour grows late during a gig.

ive = only ever=20 done that just to keep up with the drummer.....:)m=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C15B12.716EA4A0-- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 22 16:03:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04063; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 16:02:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 16:02:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:02:01 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: OT Elec. Drum Kit Opinions? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <013301c15b34$69eb9b80$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0130_01C15B0A.80FD9EB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <121.5ed752f.2905d2c1@aol.com> <002401c15b33$f8ee21a0$6601a8c0@akadine.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0130_01C15B0A.80FD9EB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable try yelling "SERENITY NOW"... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: CS=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 2:58 PM Subject: Re: OT Elec. Drum Kit Opinions? For at least 3 shows, I the Guitarist decided to turn really low to = see if the reverse would hold true IE every one would turn down but in = fact, I discovered nobody in my band gave a shit and I had to go back to = yelling "dynamics!" during rehearsals. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 3:51 PM Subject: Re: OT Elec. Drum Kit Opinions? In a message dated 10/22/01 3:38:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, = mcgary@metronet.com writes:=20 Guitarists (you know who you are) LOVE to keep=20 cranking the volume as the hour grows late during a gig. ive only ever done that just to keep up with the drummer.....:)m=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0130_01C15B0A.80FD9EB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
try yelling "SERENITY = NOW"...
 
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For at least 3 shows, I the Guitarist = decided to=20 turn really low to see if the reverse would hold true IE every one = would turn=20 down but in fact, I discovered nobody in my band gave a shit and I had = to go=20 back to yelling "dynamics!" during rehearsals.
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, October 22, = 2001 3:51=20 PM
Subject: Re: OT Elec. Drum = Kit=20 Opinions?

In a = message dated=20 10/22/01 3:38:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mcgary@metronet.com writes:=20


Guitarists (you know who you are) LOVE to keep =
cranking=20 the volume as the hour grows late during a = gig.


ive only=20 ever done that just to keep up with the drummer.....:)m=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0130_01C15B0A.80FD9EB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 22 16:24:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05107; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 16:23:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 16:23:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20011022162043.00aabe30@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: robert@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 16:28:41 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: In-Reply-To: <200110222003.QAA04134@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_20180950==_.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: <_V8p_C.A.UPB.JAI17@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_20180950==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed i love mine - but that's just me. of course, things like this depend so heavily on the rig you're using, what you want it to do, etc... it has some limitations, but since everything does you just want to make sure that they're limitations you can love. ok, live with. for instance, you can't continuously vary the speed of a loop once it's in there, but as nice as that would be i have not found that to be a heart-breaker. it's pretty pricey - i nearly went into a coma after i bought mine. two days later i was wondering how i had done without it all that time! that's, as they say, my $.02... your mileage, as they say, may vary. a:c > > has anyone tried a Boomerang looping pedal? > > http://www.boomerangmusic.com/ > > i've seen them advertised but haven't had the chance to play one yet. > > > > -- > > jOHN jENS jJENS@fREESHELL.oRG hTTP://3498479109/~jjens/ just what the world needs... another frikkin url --=====================_20180950==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
i love mine - but that's just me.
of course, things like this depend so heavily on the rig you're using, what you want it to do, etc...
it has some limitations, but since everything does you just want to make sure that they're limitations you can love.

ok, live with.

for instance, you can't continuously vary the speed of a loop once it's in there, but as nice as that would be i have not found that to be a heart-breaker.

it's pretty pricey - i nearly went into a coma after i bought mine. two days later i was wondering how i had done without it all that time!

that's, as they say, my $.02...
your mileage, as they say, may vary.

a:c

> has anyone tried a Boomerang looping pedal?
> http://www.boomerangmusic.com/
> i've seen them advertised but haven't had the chance to play one yet.
>
> --
> jOHN jENS     jJENS@fREESHELL.oRG      hTTP://3498479109/~jjens/



just what the world needs... another frikkin url
--=====================_20180950==_.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 22 16:37:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05764; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 16:36:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 16:36:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20011022163118.00ab0650@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: robert@mail.pdfsystems.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 16:41:38 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: electro-drum Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_20959427==_.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_20959427==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed another thing to bear in mind: if you have a home recording setup, or one of the less-robust PAs, the introduction of electronic drums into the system should also be the day you FINALLY fuse your speakers. yes, you should have done this long ago, but now, you'll be replacing either the fuses or the speakers. a lot. re: trigger mech's - if you're looking for a gut-bucket solution, try the "dr pads" made by roland. you can use them to interface a cleap practice-pad set (ie, as made by remo) dressed with a few tape-on external triggers to make a kit that will trigger any midi-capable drum sounds. of course, you'll STILL want to use real cymbals... kang, kang! a:c on Mon, 22 Oct 2001 14:38:08 -0500 "Mike McGary" ...wisely opined > One thing to watch out for when switching to electronic drums live: guitarists. Guitarists (you know who you are) LOVE to keep cranking the volume as the hour grows late during a gig. With an accoustic kit...the drummer just starts hitting harder to keep up. When you play electronics...you reach a max velocity and it doesn't get any louder. So you are back there hitting harder and harder to try and keep your volume up...and it's not helping. You are just wearing yourself out. Sounds silly (why not grab the volume knob and turn yourself up?)...but I've had this happen to me, and several people I've played with on V-Drums and the TrapKat. You just get exhausted until you get used to backing off and not trying to play harder to play louder. < ++++++++ just what the world needs.... another frikkin url --=====================_20959427==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"

another thing to bear in mind:
if you have a home recording setup, or one of the less-robust PAs, the introduction of electronic drums into the system should also be the day you FINALLY fuse your speakers.

yes, you should have done this long ago, but
now, you'll be replacing either the fuses or the speakers.

a lot.


re: trigger mech's - if you're looking for a gut-bucket solution, try the "dr pads" made by roland.
you can use them to interface a cleap practice-pad set (ie, as made by remo) dressed with a few
tape-on external triggers to make a kit that will trigger any midi-capable drum sounds.

of course, you'll STILL want to use real cymbals...

kang, kang!

a:c

on Mon, 22 Oct 2001 14:38:08 -0500
"Mike McGary" <mcgary@metronet.com>

...wisely opined
>
One thing to watch out for when switching to electronic drums
live: guitarists. Guitarists (you know who you are) LOVE to keep
cranking the volume as the hour grows late during a gig. With an
accoustic kit...the drummer just starts hitting harder to keep
up. When you play electronics...you reach a max velocity and it
doesn't get any louder. So you are back there hitting harder and
harder to try and keep your volume up...and it's not helping. You
are just wearing yourself out. Sounds silly (why not grab the
volume knob and turn yourself up?)...but I've had this happen
to me, and several people I've played with on V-Drums and the TrapKat.
You just get exhausted until you get used to backing off and not trying
to play harder to play louder.
<

++++++++
just what the world needs....
another frikkin url
--=====================_20959427==_.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 22 17:17:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08361; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:15:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:15:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <28.1c7cfced.2905e61a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:14:02 EDT Subject: Re: JamMan Schematics To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I vouch for Cliff on the grounds that he's be around here a while now. And also I volunteer my scanning services, if needed. Perhaps the job should be split, ( in which case I'd go for the vortex) ....and I vouch for me on the grounds that I've been asking for a copy of the specs to put on line for some time now :-) andy butler oh and Jason, the T-shirt check's in the post ...er tomorrow. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 22 17:34:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09174; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:32:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:32:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b501c15b40$97976300$080c5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #239 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:28:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed with a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #239 October 18, 2001. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Two Dutch Bands in America, Free System Projekt and Wave World. The feature CD at midnight was Dimensions by Wave World on the Quantum label. The vinyl show starter, a new feature of the show leftover from WDIY's Salute to Records, was by D'Otrange Mastai. The Peter Baumann that was advertised was accidentally left at home. Thanks to Neil Hever for supplying a suitable substitute on short notice. This show ran an extra hour as a Membership Drive Special Event. The music of David Darling was played in support of his upcoming concert at The Gathering. Two Dutch Bands in America http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2001/focus01.html#oct The Gathering http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm D'Otrange Matai Bertoia Sound Sculptures Sonambient (Bellissima) Kubusschnitt Phase Three - Three Oaks The Singularity (Neu Harmony) Robert Rich Mantis Intentions Bestiary (Release) David Darling Cello Blue Cello Blue (Hearts of Space) VA [Nemesis] Siloportem Beyond Me (Neu Harmony) 12:00 am Wave World Parts 1 - 7 Dimensions (Quantum) 1:00 am Syndromeda So So Far Away In Touch with the Stars (Groove/Neu Harmony) vidnaObmana Moedra Tremot (Release) vidnaObmana Flesh Reaper Tremot (Release) vidnaObmana Mind Tunnel Tremot (Release) vidnaObmana The Insane Brightness Tremot (Release) Vir Unis A This Membrane of Dreamers at the Edge of Sorrow Decaying Light (none) Deep Chill Network Why? * Dreams 4 (Dark Duck) 2:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Two Dutch Bands in America, Wave World and Free System Projekt. The feature CD at midnight will be Structures by Wave World on the Quantum label. Next week's vinyl show starter will be by Peter Baumann... for sure! And I will play the music of David Darling to promote his Gathering concert. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 22 17:47:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09668; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:40:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:40:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BD492F7.D370A8BA@cloud9.net> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:43:20 -0400 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Drumming References: <200110222003.QAA04145@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Another "alternative" that I'd recommend is the zendrum - www.zendrum.com Elby > Subject: Re: Elec. Drum Kit Opinions? > Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 05:29:27 -0400 > From: "Bill Cummings" > To: > > Check out the dRUMKATwww.alternatemode.com way more powerful than any > midi drum kit! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Om_Audio > To: Loopers Delight > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 1:58 PM > Subject: OT: Elec. Drum Kit Opinions? > Hi all- I wanted to get some opinions on midi drum kits- > preferably around $1000- there are so many from Roland alone > I'm a bit lost- - I'm tired of drum machines and ready made > loops and want to create my own drum and percussion loops (I > used to play drums)- I plan on using my computer as the > sound source- Thanks- Cliff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 22 17:52:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09848; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:45:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:45:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c15b42$cb79a280$0601a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Om_Audio \(Clifford Novey\)" To: References: <28.1c7cfced.2905e61a@aol.com> Subject: Re: JamMan Schematics Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 14:44:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I will defer to Jason and Andy- but will gladly oblige if needed- I think Andy would be an excellent choice for the Vortex for obvious reasons- IMO- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 2:14 PM Subject: Re: JamMan Schematics > I vouch for Cliff on the grounds that he's be around here a while now. > And also I volunteer my scanning services, if needed. > > Perhaps the job should be split, ( in which case I'd go for the vortex) > ....and I vouch for me on the grounds that I've been asking for a copy of the > specs to put on line for some time now :-) > > andy butler > > oh and Jason, the T-shirt check's in the post ...er tomorrow. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 22 17:56:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10361; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:54:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:54:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:43:13 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Elec. Drum Kit Opinions? In-Reply-To: <002201c15990$e49642e0$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, Om_Audio wrote: > Hi all- > > I wanted to get some opinions on midi drum kits- preferably around > $1000- there are so many from Roland alone I'm a bit lost- - I'm tired > of drum machines and ready made loops and want to create my own drum > and percussion loops (I used to play drums)- I plan on using my > computer as the sound source- Thanks- If you are merely looking for a pad set without a module, see http://www.hartdynamics.com/ They made the kit that Alesis used to package with the DM-Pro Module as the DM-Pro Kit. They offer mesh head "drums" like Roland and realistic feel cymbals. -Adam ---- T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ http://mp3.com/darkaether/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 22 18:41:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13326; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:39:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:39:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BD4A002.49F52796@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:38:58 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater in action: LIVE References: <28.1c7cfced.2905e61a@aol.com> <000d01c15b42$cb79a280$0601a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, Finally took my Repeater out in the REAL world. For the most part it worked GREAT. There were a few snags. For one, using a MIDI CC pedal to change feedback % works, but doesn't initiate a display, so you have no idea what you've really changed it to. You can press the button to see... but then you've touched it, so the pedal becomes useless at that point. Would like to see that in future OS updates. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 22 21:25:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22595; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 21:23:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 21:23:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005801c15b62$beacc1c0$a6c1a918@rochester.rr.com> From: "Peter Badore" To: Cc: "Peter Badore" Subject: Affordable Soundscapes Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 21:33:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0055_01C15B41.362B6520" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C15B41.362B6520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just got a Boss Loop Station & Akai Headrush to attempt my own version = of R. Fripp's Soundscapes. I plan on getting one more of each as I'm = doing this in stereo and want to attempt delay effects with separate = channels. I can't afford those damned expensive TC 2290s, so I figure = this may be the best way. The Akai can hold more than 20 seconds, but = can I get the Boss to pick up extra time without using the tempo? I'm = looking for solid sound, no beats. Was this a wise idea, or would four = Akais have been better? Let me know soon while I can still send = something back! I'm also open to other ideas. I use a Fender = Roland-ready Strat, Roland GR-33, stereo amp, and am expecting a Whammy = & TC G-Major shortly, as I can't afford the damned G-Force. But I'm = building (will add a Korg MS 2000R to differentiate sound - no need to = copy everything!) Thanks, Peter ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C15B41.362B6520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just got a Boss Loop Station & Akai = Headrush to=20 attempt my own version of R. Fripp's Soundscapes.  I plan on = getting one=20 more of each as I'm doing this in stereo and want to attempt delay = effects with=20 separate channels.  I can't afford those damned expensive TC 2290s, = so I=20 figure this may be the best way.  The Akai can hold more than 20 = seconds,=20 but can I get the Boss to pick up extra time without using the = tempo?  I'm=20 looking for solid sound, no beats.  Was this a wise idea, or would = four=20 Akais have been better?  Let me know soon while I can still send = something=20 back!  I'm also open to other ideas.  I use a Fender = Roland-ready=20 Strat, Roland GR-33, stereo amp, and am expecting a Whammy & TC = G-Major=20 shortly, as I can't afford the damned G-Force.  But I'm building = (will add=20 a Korg MS 2000R to differentiate sound - no need to copy=20 everything!)
 
Thanks,
Peter
------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C15B41.362B6520-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 22 21:57:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23735; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 21:56:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 21:56:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 21:56:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Elio DeLuca Subject: Re: Affordable Soundscapes (and the Line 6 DL4) In-reply-to: <005801c15b62$beacc1c0$a6c1a918@rochester.rr.com> X-X-Sender: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Peter Badore Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com While it may not outdo the TC-stuff in bells n' whistles, or the BOSS looper in terms of looping time, the Line 6 DL4 is a terrific way to go stereo and still sound good while not shucking out too much cash or getting lost in the land of rackmounts. Anyone else a fan of using two DL4's? Can't beat setting up delays on one and then looping on the other, or running the existing loop back into the first DL4 (through a mixer, very carefully to avoid squealing) to truncate an existing loop or create deeper delay hell. I need to figure out a stereo A/B/C switch-box setup to really take advantage of them (to allow inputs to both or either DL4, and in between themselves), but that's a few paychecks down the road..... Would love to hear other DL4 users' ideas + techniques. E.D. ____________________________________________ Telepathy Records telepathyrecords.com ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 22 22:01:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25027; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:00:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:00:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Loopbozo@aol.com Message-ID: <122.63a78a7.29062902@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 21:59:30 EDT Subject: Re: Affordable Soundscapes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For two extra points who coined the term "soundscapes" in 1968? b.helm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 22 22:08:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25369; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:07:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:07:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005201c15b5f$0933e060$0e0aa8c0@den> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <122.63a78a7.29062902@aol.com> Subject: Re: Affordable Soundscapes Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 21:07:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The word soundscape was coined by R. Murray Schafer in connection with the World Soundscape Project that he established in the late 1960s at Simon Fraser University, Vancouver, Canada. The goal was to understand our sound environment. In his words: "The soundscape of the world is changing. Modern man is beginning to inhabit a world with an acoustic environment radically different from any he has hitherto known ... " Schafer's idea was that we should understand how we interact, individually and collectively, with the sounds around us. It was the beginning of a new field now known as acoustic ecology. " ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 9:59 PM Subject: Re: Affordable Soundscapes > For two extra points who coined the term "soundscapes" in 1968? > > b.helm > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 22 22:11:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25535; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:10:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:10:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004501c15b68$68d37720$aed81f3e@snowmonster> Reply-To: "one less than none" From: "one less than none" To: "LD mailing list" Subject: Best fx processor for 'sythy' sounds Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 03:14:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0040_01C15B70.C96097A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <-tjH5C.A.mOG.AGN17@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C15B70.C96097A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi im a guitar player who likes to make sythnthetic sounds (dont we all) = im looking for an fx processor that will help me with that it mind. I = have tried guitar syths and well they aren't for me ! I'm looking for = the textures found in the aphex twin, FSOL and underworld records. The two i have seen that seem best suited to what i want are the TC = electronics fireworx and and Eventide of some sort (i could just about = afor a H3000D/SE) what would members of the list suggest ? David=20 one less than none http://www.onelessthannone.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C15B70.C96097A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi im a guitar player who likes to make = sythnthetic=20 sounds (dont we all) im looking for an fx processor that will help me = with that=20 it mind. I have tried guitar syths and well they aren't for me ! I'm = looking for=20 the textures found in the aphex twin, FSOL and underworld = records.
 
The two i have seen that seem best = suited to=20 what i want are the TC electronics fireworx and and Eventide of some = sort (i=20 could just about afor a H3000D/SE)
 
what would members of the list suggest=20 ?
David
 
one less than none
http://www.onelessthannone.co.u= k
------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C15B70.C96097A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 22 22:12:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25689; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:11:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:11:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002401c15b33$f8ee21a0$6601a8c0@akadine.com> References: <121.5ed752f.2905d2c1@aol.com> <002401c15b33$f8ee21a0$6601a8c0@akadine.com> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:10:28 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: OT Elec. Drum Kit Opinions? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <3_BrkD.A.WQG.6GN17@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >For at least 3 shows, I the Guitarist decided to turn really low to >see if the reverse would hold true IE every one would turn down but >in fact, I discovered nobody in my band gave a shit and I had to go >back to yelling "dynamics!" during rehearsals. get a new band! or shame them into listening. /t http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 22 22:28:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26391; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:27:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:27:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001e01c15b6b$a48fcb80$a6c1a918@rochester.rr.com> From: "Peter Badore" To: Subject: Re:Best effects processor... Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:37:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01C15B4A.1D2A3F20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C15B4A.1D2A3F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Go to www.eventide.com and check out their product line. Their new = output is amazing. Wish I could afford those, too! The 7000 model = passes the 3 grand mark. Also mentioned the TC G-Force, and Sound = Sculpture has some great stuff, too. Fripp uses all those. Peter ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C15B4A.1D2A3F20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Go to www.eventide.com and check out = their product=20 line.  Their new output is amazing.  Wish I could afford = those,=20 too!  The 7000 model passes the 3 grand mark.  Also mentioned = the TC=20 G-Force, and Sound Sculpture has some great stuff, too.  Fripp uses = all=20 those.
 
Peter
------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C15B4A.1D2A3F20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 22 22:30:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26533; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:29:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:29:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.34.82.99] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Another looper sighting: John Scofield Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:29:04 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Oct 2001 02:29:04.0521 (UTC) FILETIME=[7BD39790:01C15B6A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Recently saw John Scofield with his latest band at the Clearwater Jazz Revival. Towards the end of his set, I heard the unmistakeable sounds of live looping. The big screen showed closeups of his pedals and sure enough, there was that green Line 6 pedal some of us know and love... The videos at his website show a Boomerang, apparently in place of the Line 6, in his stage setup. Was also surprised to see a Whammy pedal. Nice alternative to chopping up that lovely Ibanez Artist guitar of his, I guess. :) Paolo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 22 22:36:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26849; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:36:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:36:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.34.82.99] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Processor for synthy sounds Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:35:02 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Oct 2001 02:35:02.0955 (UTC) FILETIME=[517847B0:01C15B6B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I checked out the audio demos at http://www.chicipick.com and I rather liked them myself. Most of them featured a Nord MicroModular processing guitar audio while receiving what I'm guessing to be MIDI note on, note off, and envelope data from the Chicipick system. A few also featured a Moog, receiving control voltage signals from Chicipick. Paolo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 22 22:44:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA27236; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:43:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:43:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006301c15b6c$fbe6ff60$aed81f3e@snowmonster> Reply-To: "one less than none" From: "one less than none" To: References: <001e01c15b6b$a48fcb80$a6c1a918@rochester.rr.com> Subject: Re: Re:Best effects processor... Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 03:46:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0060_01C15B75.5C8E1080" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C15B75.5C8E1080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hmmmm 7000 series and unfortunatly orville are outa my range (as is the = 4000 series), i have a sound sculpture but it doesnt do fx it is a = switcher ! Absolutly fantastic product thought ! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Peter Badore=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 3:37 AM Subject: Re:Best effects processor... Go to www.eventide.com and check out their product line. Their new = output is amazing. Wish I could afford those, too! The 7000 model = passes the 3 grand mark. Also mentioned the TC G-Force, and Sound = Sculpture has some great stuff, too. Fripp uses all those. Peter ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C15B75.5C8E1080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hmmmm 7000 series and unfortunatly = orville are outa=20 my range (as is the 4000 series), i have a sound sculpture but it doesnt = do fx=20 it is a switcher ! Absolutly fantastic product thought !
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Peter=20 Badore
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 = 3:37=20 AM
Subject: Re:Best effects=20 processor...

Go to www.eventide.com and check out = their=20 product line.  Their new output is amazing.  Wish I could = afford=20 those, too!  The 7000 model passes the 3 grand mark.  Also = mentioned=20 the TC G-Force, and Sound Sculpture has some great stuff, too.  = Fripp=20 uses all those.
 
Peter
------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C15B75.5C8E1080-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 22 23:19:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29435; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 23:17:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 23:17:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009901c15b6e$d80ac840$fb5ed9c8@r5f3d1> From: "IG2" To: References: Subject: Re: Processor for synthy sounds/ remenbering old Morley wah ... Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 00:59:46 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0096_01C15B5E.02571740" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <4mDsIB.A.rLH.EFO17@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0096_01C15B5E.02571740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable somebody remenber the Morley Pick-A-Wah ? it's the same principle ? julio ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Paolo Valladolid=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 12:35 AM Subject: Re: Processor for synthy sounds I checked out the audio demos at http://www.chicipick.com and I rather = liked=20 them myself. Most of them featured a Nord MicroModular processing guitar audio = while=20 receiving what I'm guessing to be MIDI note on, note off, and envelope = data=20 from the Chicipick system. A few also featured a Moog, receiving = control=20 voltage signals from Chicipick. Paolo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at = http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------=_NextPart_000_0096_01C15B5E.02571740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
somebody remenber the Morley Pick-A-Wah = ? it's the=20 same principle ?
julio
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Paolo=20 Valladolid
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Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 = 12:35=20 AM
Subject: Re: Processor for = synthy=20 sounds

I checked out the audio demos at http://www.chicipick.com and I = rather=20 liked
them myself.

Most of them featured a Nord = MicroModular=20 processing guitar audio while
receiving what I'm guessing to be = MIDI note=20 on, note off, and envelope data
from the Chicipick system.  A = few=20 also featured a Moog, receiving control
voltage signals from=20 = Chicipick.

Paolo

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Get=20 your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.as= p
------=_NextPart_000_0096_01C15B5E.02571740-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 22 23:48:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA30553; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 23:47:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 23:47:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011023034712.39826.qmail@web12003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:47:12 -0700 (PDT) From: philip raath Subject: Best fx processor for 'sythy' sounds To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200110230212.WAA25756@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the digitech spacestation, perhaps? anyone got any user insight? phil ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 23 00:11:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA32663; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 00:10:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 00:10:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011023040932.6273.qmail@web12006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 21:09:32 -0700 (PDT) From: philip raath Subject: Rocktron Midi Mate Controller Pedal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200110230212.WAA25756@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anyone know this guy? opinions? are the claims about 6 program changes per button on 6 different channels correct? does the volume pedal function really work? thanks for any replies, phil ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 23 00:38:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01109; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 00:37:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 00:37:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 00:36:52 -0400 Subject: Re: nyc loop show 10/21 update From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You skipped me... Todd reynolds On 10/21/01 11:33 PM, "Tom Ritchford" wrote: > had a splendid weekend (see next post) but here's the goods on the > NYC Looper's fest. > > 1. Chashama > > I talked to someone in the know (Benton!) who gave me the phone number of the > Chashama booker. They are only open till March of next year! So we'd better > hurryr. > > My contact told me that they might be MORE into the seminar/concert > combination which gives me some interesting ideas... see below. > > I still don't know about what sort of PA they have. > I know that they have SOME sort of PA, and for my > purposes any PA that can put out respectable sound > is fine. If we need to get vocals out over a rock > band, then we'd need a bigger PA. > > He's in Tuesday-Friday so I'll call Tuesday. > > > 2. People who are interested this time. > > LET ME KNOW IF I SKIPPED YOU! > > "David Beardsley" > Matthias Grob > kenn lowy > "brian mulvey" > Nemoguitt@aol.com > Tom Ritchford > Steve Sandberg > "jeff snyder" > "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" > Andreas Willers > > Did I miss anyone? > > > 3. People who WERE interested last time but haven't responded yet. > > (* == I contacted them again tonight) > > Robby Aceto > antonio melo > Elias Faingersh (*) > David Lee Myers(!) > Phil Raath (who has contributed on the thread so I assume is interested). > Todd Reynolds (*) > Paul Sullivan /Shrub Monkeys (*) > David Torn > The Moving Sidewalk > Christina Wheeler (who isn't on the list and thus doesn't know -- I'll > contact her when we have a date.) > > > > 4. Faraway places that people come from that sound good in advertising. > > California > Wisconsin > Switzerland(!) > Germany(!) > > > 5. Proposed and tentaive new plan for show. > > I'm starting to think that the standard concert hall is not > going to be the best idea for what we have. > > 5.1. There are several problems with a standard hall. > > 5.1.1. There are many acts. There are varying degrees of skill and > varying complexities of setup. So we realistically need quite > a lot of time to set up AND we have to be prepared to debug > some people's setups. > > 5.1.2 There are too many acts to fit into one night. > > 5.1.3. One night isn't really worthwhile for people who are coming from > far away. > > > 5.2. A workshop, then a concert! > > I know that I slagged the workshop plan initially but if I keep an > open mind I'm going to have to change it sometimes, right? > > I really think that Chashama is the ONLY space in the city > that's appropriate for this, so I'm going to rustle it up > as soon as I can -- or fail to do so so that we know what's > happening! > > 5.3. So my new thought involves the following plan. > > 5.3.1. Set up everyone in the morning. > > 5.3.1.1. Many chances to debug. > > 5.3.1.2. Even possible to rent or buy gear if needed. > > 5.3.1.3. Chashama is close to Times Square, thus great for gear and > rentals, though shitty for parking. > > > 5.3.2. Have a free workshop in the afternoon with some scheduled > demonstrations. > > 5.3.2.1. Everyone is set up already. > > 5.3.2.2. People can show off how their gear works. > > 5.3.2.3. People can sell their CDs and T-shirts in a relaxed environment. > > 5.3.2.4. We can have short demonstration shows at various points. > > 5.3.2.5. Chashama is closed to Times Square so we get a BIG walkin crowd. > > 5.3.2.6. Free advertising for the show! > > > 5.3.3. Have a $10 concert in the evening. > > 5.3.3.1. Organized setlist. > > 5.3.3.2. If there are too many acts, we can cut some down because they'll > have had a chance to play earlier. > > 5.3.3.3. Have several free-for-all jams too (perhaps one drone and one > pulsed?) which can also include other members. > > 5.3.3.4. We have more time than a conventional show because we can start > early and end late, at the risk of having NO clients at > certain points. > > 6. What happens next? > > 6.1. You respond. > > Do you like these ideas? > Or, do you hate 'em? > Do you have great ideas yourself?? > Do you now want to play? > Have you now lost interest? > etc. etc. > > 6.2. I secure Chashama or at least find out what the deal is. > > 6.3. I get back to you by Friday with information about how it's > going. > > > Seems good? > > /t > > > http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. > http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. > http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 23 00:43:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01318; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 00:42:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 00:42:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0ded01c15b20$a531f400$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <001201c15a83$fec00fe0$0e0aa8c0@den> <0ded01c15b20$a531f400$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 02:42:51 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EFC-7 mod wiring diagram Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thank you very much for this detailed "cookbook", Dennis! I should only mention, that "ring" is mostly understood as the second channel of a stereo Phone plug, while here is all mono and you were talking about ground or sleve or whatever they call it. > >Yes, you'll want to drill two holes, in the EFC-7. And that's a PHONE jack >rather than a PHONO jack. Here's my attempt at detailed directions (from >memory)... > >1) Get all your parts before you begin work. A SPDT switch is the minimum >configuration required. A DPDT switch will be fine. If you want to use the >modified EFC-7 as a footswitch, I highly recommend the switch listed below. > recommended parts: > 1) one push-on/push-off switch, try GC Electronics: >http://www.gcwaldom.com/catalog.html > part no: 35-0490-0000. This switch has an indicator that >requires no power. It is a little > pricey but worth it, IMHO. The switch is also available from >other distributors. > 2) one high quality 1/4" phone jack, chassis mount. I've had >trouble with Radio Shack jacks. I'd > recommend a Switchcraft manufactured jack. > 3) insulated hook-up wire, 26 or 24 gauge, tinned > 4) optional washers or spacer for switch (see directions) > > tools: > 1) drill, drill bits, center punch. > 2) soldering iron, rosin-core solder > 3) wire cutters, needle-nose pliers > 4) ohmmeter, VOM, or continuity checker (optional) > >2) Make sure your switch will fit in the EFC-7 case. I mounted my switch in >the upper right corner. The recommended switch is quite deep. I.e., it >requires a lot of clearance behind the panel. Disassemble the >EFC-7 case and try different switch locations. Make sure the switch will >fit when the EFC-7 is reassembled. > >The EFC-7 panel is rather thin so you may need to add a thick washer or >spacer between the switch and the >front panel. With the spacer/washer in place, the switch protrudes further >outside the case, giving the switch >more clearance inside, behind the panel. I found my spacer (a white plastic >cylinder) in the screen door repair parts >of my local hardware store. I had to enlarge the hole but after that, it >worked fine. Depending on what you find, >you may also need to shorten you spacer. > >When you have a good location for the switch, mark it. Center punch the >location. > >3) Likewise, find a good location for the 1/4" phone jack. Mark it and >center punch the location. > >4) Start with small drill bits, say 1/8" inch diameter and drill the switch >and jack holes. Gradually increase the hole >sizes until the switch and jack fit. > >5) Make sure you remove all the drill tailings and debur the holes. > >6) Mount the switch and jack. Using your eyeballs (less recommended) or an >ohmmeter (more recommended), >find the correct contacts on the switch. Call them "common", "A", and "B". >Before tightening the switch, rotate >it so that the correct contacts can be easily accessed. > >7) Connect the RING of the new jack to the RING of the existing jack. > >8) Disconnect the wire going to the TIP of the existing jack. Connect it to >the "common" terminal on the switch. >Don't overcook the switch when you solder the wire as you can melt the >switch. If possible, use the needle-nose >pliers as a heat sink for the switch by using it to hold the terminal >between the switch and the soldering point. > >8) Connect the "A" switch terminal to the TIP of the existing jack. > >9) Connect the "B" switch terminal to the TIP of the new jack. > >10) Reassemble the EFC-7. Loop like crazy! > >Hope this helps (and is not insanely detailed)! Let me know if you've any >questions. > >Dennis Leas >------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 23 00:53:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01707; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 00:52:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 00:52:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 02:51:12 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Elec.Drum Kit Options Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <--4UOB.A.Na.fdP17@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Does anyone know of the drummer's equivalent of a midi pedalboard? >I'm looking for a small 3-6 drum-pad midi controller to control my >EDP through midi. As a drummer, I usually have trouble using the >pedals while playing set... > >I would love to be able to just hit a pad next to my snare drum to >start recording and another one to overdub. I think I could do >quite well with just 3 pads: record, overdub, and multiply. >Jon thats nice! just Record and Multiply (no Overdub) also makes sense. you can make the pads yourself and use some standard equipment for the MIDI conversion. I think this has been discussed before here. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 23 00:54:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01814; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 00:53:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 00:53:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 02:52:07 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: nyc loop show 10/21 update Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >4. Faraway places that people come from that sound good in advertising. > >California >Wisconsin >Switzerland(!) >Germany(!) I was born in Switzerland but live in Brasil. I think the ideal would be two days, otherwhise we risk that everyone is tired when it comes to play the show. At least we should have a meeting of the persons the day before to start the vibe. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 23 00:59:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02156; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 00:58:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 00:58:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011022215146.00b28200@pop.mindspring.com> X-Files: The truth is out there. Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:04:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Rocktron Midi Mate Controller Pedal In-Reply-To: <20011023040932.6273.qmail@web12006.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200110230212.WAA25756@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:09 PM 10/22/2001, phil wrote: >anyone know this guy? opinions? I used to have one many years ago when they were black and red (vs the current black and white color scheme). Very sturdy and compact pedal board. I replaced mine with a PMC10 - miss the large patch name LEDs and the peace of mind that the heft of the board gave me, but as far as programmability is concerned the PMC10 is the hands down winner. >are the claims about 6 >program changes per button on 6 different channels correct? I believe the old ones had 9 changes on 9 different channels per patch (at the expense of most of the control changes that are available on the current model). >does the volume pedal function really work? It did on the old model. sean From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 23 01:15:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA03919; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 01:14:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 01:14:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:13:11 -0800 Subject: Re: Best fx processor for 'sythy' sounds From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20011023034712.39826.qmail@web12003.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeah i got one of those whackee pedals-but what is a "sythy" sound? it has some great sounds,all warpy and wild-my only complaint is as w/ most pedals is the wet/dry is predetermined inside the unit.not good for me and my series set-up. s on 10/22/01 7:47 PM, philip raath at philraath@yahoo.com wrote: > the digitech spacestation, perhaps? anyone got any > user insight? > > phil > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 23 03:12:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA09758; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 03:10:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 03:10:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: faisalmoro@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20011023040932.6273.qmail@web12006.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20011023040932.6273.qmail@web12006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 09:13:45 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: faisal moro Subject: Re: Rocktron Midi Mate Controller Pedal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I still own the very first version since many years, and it works as a rock. They updated the OS a couple of times, modifying features. I think mine has version 1.5, that goes out with 9 istant controllers, 3 program changes channels plus one for the expression pedal. About this (the pedal), it works really well. In latest softwares, i think MIDI Mate has less controller buttons and more MIDI channels at the same time. HopeThisHelps Doei, Faisal >anyone know this guy? opinions? are the claims about 6 >program changes per button on 6 different channels >correct? does the volume pedal function really work? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 23 04:05:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA12650; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 04:04:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 04:04:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003101c15c28$468a4ac0$02000003@mpx.com.au> From: "cameron street" To: References: <005801c15b62$beacc1c0$a6c1a918@rochester.rr.com> Subject: Re: Affordable Soundscapes Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:07:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002E_01C15BED.97074F60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C15BED.97074F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sound cool, except i found the headrush to have some hiss, 4 of them would be very noisy, for me that is. i suppose it depends on where your using them in the chain, and gain the structures before and after. cam ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Peter Badore=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Cc: Peter Badore=20 Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 6:33 PM Subject: Affordable Soundscapes Just got a Boss Loop Station & Akai Headrush to attempt my own version = of R. Fripp's Soundscapes. I plan on getting one more of each as I'm = doing this in stereo and want to attempt delay effects with separate = channels. I can't afford those damned expensive TC 2290s, so I figure = this may be the best way. The Akai can hold more than 20 seconds, but = can I get the Boss to pick up extra time without using the tempo? I'm = looking for solid sound, no beats. Was this a wise idea, or would four = Akais have been better? Let me know soon while I can still send = something back! I'm also open to other ideas. I use a Fender = Roland-ready Strat, Roland GR-33, stereo amp, and am expecting a Whammy = & TC G-Major shortly, as I can't afford the damned G-Force. But I'm = building (will add a Korg MS 2000R to differentiate sound - no need to = copy everything!) Thanks, Peter ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C15BED.97074F60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sound cool, except i found the headrush to have some = hiss,
4 of them would be very noisy, for me that is. i = suppose=20 it
depends on where your using them in the chain, and = gain=20 the
structures before and = after.     =20 cam
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Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 = 6:33=20 PM
Subject: Affordable = Soundscapes

Just got a Boss Loop Station & = Akai Headrush=20 to attempt my own version of R. Fripp's Soundscapes.  I plan on = getting=20 one more of each as I'm doing this in stereo and want to attempt delay = effects=20 with separate channels.  I can't afford those damned expensive TC = 2290s,=20 so I figure this may be the best way.  The Akai can hold more = than 20=20 seconds, but can I get the Boss to pick up extra time without using = the=20 tempo?  I'm looking for solid sound, no beats.  Was this a = wise=20 idea, or would four Akais have been better?  Let me know soon = while I can=20 still send something back!  I'm also open to other ideas.  I = use a=20 Fender Roland-ready Strat, Roland GR-33, stereo amp, and am expecting = a Whammy=20 & TC G-Major shortly, as I can't afford the damned G-Force.  = But I'm=20 building (will add a Korg MS 2000R to differentiate sound - no need to = copy=20 everything!)
 
Thanks,
Peter
------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C15BED.97074F60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 23 08:24:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA23835; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 08:22:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 08:22:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <22.1da4b948.2906baea@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 08:22:02 EDT Subject: Re:Best effects processor. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <96SDxB.A.9zF.4DW17@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Synth Sounds? the Warp9 filter (from MAM) will make your guitar sound like a synth. Especially if you use distortion between the Guitar and Warp9 (though the warp9 is a line level device, so might not be so good with a guitar plugged straight into it.) Generally though, you're perhaps looking at filtering the distorted sound in some way, have you tried fuzz before wah? (not the standard order) maybe just an autowah? Well if you can give a more detailed explanation of what you want, perhaps it'll be easier for people to help. the digitech space station has been discussed on the list before, you might like to check the archives, (if Kim's fixed 'em) what put me off is that it's only got presets, and you can't edit the sounds, (the pedal does various stuff though) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 23 09:01:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA24791; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 08:55:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 08:55:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004901c15bc1$b52c9c60$b00c5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: C'ya Soon Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 08:53:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <1HNOgD.A.1CG.DiW17@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Going to the Hampshire Jam so I'm unsubbing for a bit. See y'all soon. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 23 09:32:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27037; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 09:30:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 09:30:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0e8101c15bc6$093205d0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <001201c15a83$fec00fe0$0e0aa8c0@den> <0ded01c15b20$a531f400$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: EFC-7 mod wiring diagram Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 08:24:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I should only mention, that "ring" is mostly understood as the second > channel of a stereo Phone plug, while here is all mono and you were > talking about ground or sleve or whatever they call it. Yes! You're right! I meant sleeve or ground. 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--MS_Mac_OE_3086684790_4135703_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 23 12:33:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04517; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 12:32:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 12:32:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005a01c15be9$e98c2cf0$1f64a8c0@billscomp> Reply-To: "Bill Cummings" From: "Bill Cummings" To: References: Subject: Re: OT Elec. Drum Kit Opinions? Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 12:41:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I never owned a TrapKAT, but I've had my drumKAT since 91, and it's been very reliable. I did replace the FSR pads a couple of times, and have upgradaed the OS at least 3 or 4 times, but the thing completely rocks (and is currently up-to-date with the Turbo 2000 4.5 software).It's a very solid product with excellent support from Alternate Mode (IMO). Contact Mario at alternate mode for any info or prices. On another note, I just ordered myself a Zendrum today. It just looked like too much fun! (I also play V-drums & handsonic, samplers, repeater, & acoustic drums too) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Underwood" To: Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 2:16 PM Subject: Re: OT Elec. Drum Kit Opinions? > I've actually been very curious about the TrapKat for a number of years now. > Thought that I would take this oppurtunity to see if anyone has any > impressions of it. Originally I thought it would be great when I was doing > some live, industrial, performance-y stuff (seemed strange I didn't see more > of them out there in this genre), but now I've settled down in my old age > and it just looks like a great alternative perc device for an already > cramped studio space. Are they worth it? How much do they go for used? How > rugged/reliable are they? Etc. > > -pete > > > >From: "Bill Cummings" > >Reply-To: "Bill Cummings" > >To: > >Subject: Re: Elec. Drum Kit Opinions? > >Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 05:29:27 -0400 > > > >Check out the dRUMKAT > >www.alternatemode.com > > > >way more powerful than any midi drum kit! > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Om_Audio > > To: Loopers Delight > > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 1:58 PM > > Subject: OT: Elec. Drum Kit Opinions? > > > > > > Hi all- > > > > I wanted to get some opinions on midi drum kits- preferably around > >$1000- there are so many from Roland alone I'm a bit lost- - I'm tired of > >drum machines and ready made loops and want to create my own drum and > >percussion loops (I used to play drums)- I plan on using my computer as the > >sound source- Thanks- > > > > Cliff > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 23 13:40:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08050; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:39:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:39:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002d01c15be9$935df340$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: unsubscribe Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:38:47 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01C15BF1.F3DBD180" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C15BF1.F3DBD180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribeI was hoping the next one was in the lower-right corner. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: WhirledMusic=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: 23 October 2001 17:26 PM Subject: unsubscribe unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C15BF1.F3DBD180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe
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------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C15BF1.F3DBD180-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 23 13:45:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07846; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:35:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:35:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011023103033.026964f8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 10:31:26 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re:Best effects processor. In-Reply-To: <22.1da4b948.2906baea@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:22 AM 10/23/2001, SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: >the digitech space station has been discussed on the list before, you might >like to check the archives, (if Kim's fixed 'em) yes, fixed it a while ago, search away: http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma/LDarchive kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 23 13:57:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08857; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:50:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:50:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 12:50:10 -0500 From: Mike Killian Subject: gig spam 10/25/01 Saint Louis To: Loopers Delight Message-id: <3BD5ADD2.2090409@swbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 Resent-Message-ID: <2vE74D.A.kHC.r2a17@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll be looping guitar(s) solo and also with hand percussionist Robleigh Majors and steel drum player Boyd Nunnely this Thursday, October 25 from 7:00 PM on at the opening of the "extreme art museum in exile" on the second floor of The International Building, 701 N. 15th Street, downtown Saint Louis. There will be a small cover and cash bar. Mike Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 23 14:09:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10726; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 14:08:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 14:08:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011023140638.0277d5b8@pop1.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 14:07:25 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett L Maraldo Subject: Re:Best effects processor. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com if you are on a budget the digitech studio 400 is great! i have one. up to 4 independent effects processors with 4 ins and 4 outs. nice UI. plexus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 23 14:17:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10622; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 14:06:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 14:06:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 20:05:28 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: Re:Best effects processor. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: "italoop@libero.it" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-XaM3-API-Version: 1.1.9.1.39.1.2 X-SenderIP: 212.171.128.212 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA10585 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David (aka one less than none) your search for a "textural creating capable" FX processor could easily stop at EVENTIDE ECLIPSE. This new unit is 5 times more powerful than the oldglory H3000. It is a 24bit/up to 96KHz processor with two configurable fx blocks for serial, parallel or dual mono processing. It features about 100 algorithms derived straight from the flagship Orville unit. Same audio converters too! It has an arsenal of lfos, envelope followers and ADSRs that can be patched to any parameter. A preset stores two algorithms loaded in the 2 blocks and their signal routing, besides all midi controls patched to parameters. Eclipse has analog, AES/EBU, S/PDIF, optical and ADAT digital inputs & outputs. It can save thousands of presets to cheap small CFC (compact flash cards) that can be backed up on a PC with a CFC reader. This format is also useful for Internet OS updates & to trade patches as e- mail attachments. The algorithms have just about anything: mayhem preamps, polyfuzzes, ethereal swellin pads with multi voice modulated delays/pitch shifters, 5 seconds reverse shifters and reverse delays up to 20 seconds delay, 40 seconds of looping time, multi ddl lines verbs with modulation, filters, ring modulators, oscillators, comb filters, multi tap delays/choruses/shifters, detuners, modulated diffusors, phasers, tremolos, vibrato, PlexVerbs...an Eventide only ambient texture and lots lots lots more features. Download the manuals/algo list/preset/list from http://www.eventide.com/eclipse/eclipse.htm I got mine recently and it can stand side by side to my Orville with no fear at all. best regards Italo De Angelis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 23 16:20:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18461; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 16:19:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 16:19:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BD5D048.C6D21E34@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:17:13 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Affordable Soundscapes References: <005801c15b62$beacc1c0$a6c1a918@rochester.rr.com> <003101c15c28$468a4ac0$02000003@mpx.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Damn. For what you'll end up spending all together, I'd sell the loop station and the headrush and buy a Repeater and a 128 meg CFC card. That's an awefull lot of stereo loop time. Also, your effects can live it the Repeater's effect loop which can be switched from pre loop to post loop. Very sweet. I've been having a lot of fun recording a loop fairly dry, then setting some random stuff on my Electrix MO-FX. When the loop comes in, I'm thinking, "Woah.. did I do that?!" Fun. It's like I influence the loop but not directly. Mark Sottilaro cameron street wrote: > Sound cool, except i found the headrush to have some hiss,4 of them > would be very noisy, for me that is. i suppose itdepends on where your > using them in the chain, and gain thestructures before and after. > cam > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Peter Badore > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Cc: Peter Badore > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 6:33 PM > Subject: Affordable Soundscapes > Just got a Boss Loop Station & Akai Headrush to attempt my > own version of R. Fripp's Soundscapes. I plan on getting > one more of each as I'm doing this in stereo and want to > attempt delay effects with separate channels. I can't > afford those damned expensive TC 2290s, so I figure this may > be the best way. The Akai can hold more than 20 seconds, > but can I get the Boss to pick up extra time without using > the tempo? I'm looking for solid sound, no beats. Was this > a wise idea, or would four Akais have been better? Let me > know soon while I can still send something back! I'm also > open to other ideas. I use a Fender Roland-ready Strat, > Roland GR-33, stereo amp, and am expecting a Whammy & TC > G-Major shortly, as I can't afford the damned G-Force. But > I'm building (will add a Korg MS 2000R to differentiate > sound - no need to copy everything!) Thanks,Peter > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 23 16:27:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18781; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 16:26:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 16:26:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011023202514.12655.qmail@web12806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:25:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Alx Subject: Re:Best effects processor. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- "italoop@libero.it" wrote: > your search for a "textural creating capable" FX > processor could easily > stop at EVENTIDE ECLIPSE. Can you sync to MIDI the Eclipse´s delay tempos, LFO´s, etc? My vote for processors: Z.Vex Seek Wah / Ooh Wah Lexicon Vortex. Electrix Warp Factory Electrix Filter Factory Ebow (not a processor but...) Lovetone Ring Stinger Best. Alex. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 23 16:27:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18782; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 16:26:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 16:26:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 22:25:33 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: Re: Affordable Soundscapes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: "italoop@libero.it" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-XaM3-API-Version: 1.1.9.1.39.1.2 X-SenderIP: 212.171.133.21 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA18743 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark I have my Repeater (w/a 256M CFcard) working with an Eventide Eclipse in its pre/post fx loop. All in parallel to my Eventide Orville thru a mixer. It might not be a cheap Soundscape set up but I tell you, just Repeater+Eclipse are total cool madness! I'm addicted. Simple looping reality. best Italoop > Damn. For what you'll end up spending all together, I'd sell the loop > station and the headrush and buy a Repeater and a 128 meg CFC card. > That's an awefull lot of stereo loop time. Also, your effects can live > it the Repeater's effect loop which can be switched from pre loop to > post loop. Very sweet. I've been having a lot of fun recording a loop > fairly dry, then setting some random stuff on my Electrix MO-FX. When > the loop comes in, I'm thinking, "Woah.. did I do that?!" Fun. It's > like I influence the loop but not directly. > > Mark Sottilaro > > cameron street wrote: > > > Sound cool, except i found the headrush to have some hiss,4 of them > > would be very noisy, for me that is. i suppose itdepends on where your > > using them in the chain, and gain thestructures before and after. > > cam > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Peter Badore > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Cc: Peter Badore > > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 6:33 PM > > Subject: Affordable Soundscapes > > Just got a Boss Loop Station & Akai Headrush to attempt my > > own version of R. Fripp's Soundscapes. I plan on getting > > one more of each as I'm doing this in stereo and want to > > attempt delay effects with separate channels. I can't > > afford those damned expensive TC 2290s, so I figure this may > > be the best way. The Akai can hold more than 20 seconds, > > but can I get the Boss to pick up extra time without using > > the tempo? I'm looking for solid sound, no beats. Was this > > a wise idea, or would four Akais have been better? Let me > > know soon while I can still send something back! I'm also > > open to other ideas. I use a Fender Roland-ready Strat, > > Roland GR-33, stereo amp, and am expecting a Whammy & TC > > G-Major shortly, as I can't afford the damned G-Force. But > > I'm building (will add a Korg MS 2000R to differentiate > > sound - no need to copy everything!) Thanks,Peter > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 23 16:48:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19686; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 16:46:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 16:46:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BD5D6E9.8E4B0BF9@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:45:29 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Best effects processor. References: <20011023202514.12655.qmail@web12806.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh yeah. I LOVE my ebow. That with a fuzztone and you're pretty damn synthy. Dig those sawtooths. Mark Alx wrote: > --- "italoop@libero.it" wrote: > > your search for a "textural creating capable" FX > > processor could easily > > stop at EVENTIDE ECLIPSE. > > Can you sync to MIDI the Eclipse´s delay tempos, > LFO´s, etc? > > My vote for processors: > Z.Vex Seek Wah / Ooh Wah > Lexicon Vortex. > Electrix Warp Factory > Electrix Filter Factory > Ebow (not a processor but...) > Lovetone Ring Stinger > > Best. > Alex. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. > http://personals.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 23 16:55:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19976; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 16:53:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 16:53:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 22:51:59 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: Re:Best effects processor. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: "italoop@libero.it" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-XaM3-API-Version: 1.1.9.1.39.1.2 X-SenderIP: 212.171.133.21 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA19933 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alex sure it can! Eclipse lfos rates , delay, looping and reverb time can be absolutely synced to TAP TEMPO and MIDI CLOCK. You also get rhythm subdivisions to get all synced rates and times in polyrhythmical ratios to the beat; these are the values: 5,4,3,2 bars,dot whole, whole, 15/16, 13/16, dot1/2, 11/16, whole trip, 10/16, 9/16, 1/2, 7/16, dot1/4, 1/2 trip, 5/16, 1/4, dot 1/8, 1/4 trip, 1/8, dot 1/16, 1/8trip, 1/16, dot 1/32, 1/16 trip, 1/32, dot 1/64, 1/32 trip, 1/64. Is that polyrhythms or what? The smart man who worked on the subdivisions has been a Fripp student for a while. He is a brilliant Stick player....there we go! best Italoop > --- "italoop@libero.it" wrote: > > your search for a "textural creating capable" FX > > processor could easily > > stop at EVENTIDE ECLIPSE. > > Can you sync to MIDI the Eclipse´s delay tempos, > LFO´s, etc? > > My vote for processors: > Z.Vex Seek Wah / Ooh Wah > Lexicon Vortex. > Electrix Warp Factory > Electrix Filter Factory > Ebow (not a processor but...) > Lovetone Ring Stinger > > Best. > Alex. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. > http://personals.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 23 17:09:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21575; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:07:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:07:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Poppen" To: Subject: RE: unsubscribe Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 14:07:25 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C15BCC.0A8A0D00" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <002d01c15be9$935df340$0201a8c0@stephen> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C15BCC.0A8A0D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribeTo unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the subject and body, and no .sig files or anything else, to: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you are on the digest version of Looper's Delight, send your unsubscribe request to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Stephen P. 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<= /HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C15BCC.0A8A0D00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 23 18:42:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27140; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:41:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:41:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011023224041.82615.qmail@web12807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 15:40:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Alx Subject: Re:Best effects processor. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- "italoop@libero.it" wrote: > Alex > sure it can! Eclipse lfos rates , delay, looping > and reverb time can > be absolutely synced to TAP TEMPO and MIDI CLOCK. > You also get rhythm > subdivisions to get all synced rates and times in > polyrhythmical ratios > to the beat Wow, thanks Italo, I´ll check it out! Alex. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 23 18:52:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27504; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:51:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:51:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 15:52:49 -0700 Subject: peavey pfc10 for repeater? Message-ID: <20011023.155249.239.6.tony-moore@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-7 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Tony Moore Resent-Message-ID: <85De4.A.ntG.iRf17@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey folks, any thoughts on using a peavey pfc10 midi foot controller with the repeater? thanks! tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 23 18:54:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27658; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:52:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:52:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BD5F489.21BDEF5A@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 15:51:53 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Processor for synthy sounds References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com why process when you can go synth? I'm totally loving my Roland GR-30. It's sounds aren't that exciting, but when configured correctly (If you don't make sure your pitchbend range are the same on both units it will track like hell), it will control any midi sound source. The GR-33 is supposed to be even better. It tracks great on my Steinburger. I ran one of my favorite synth pad sounds through one of the "synth" patches on my SpaceStation at the last gig we played and IT WAS THICK. Paolo Valladolid wrote: > I checked out the audio demos at http://www.chicipick.com and I rather liked > them myself. > > Most of them featured a Nord MicroModular processing guitar audio while > receiving what I'm guessing to be MIDI note on, note off, and envelope data > from the Chicipick system. A few also featured a Moog, receiving control > voltage signals from Chicipick. > > Paolo > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp For cheap, a good fuzz and a volume and or wah pedal do in a pinch. Mark Sottilaro Paolo Valladolid wrote: > I checked out the audio demos at http://www.chicipick.com and I rather liked > them myself. > > Most of them featured a Nord MicroModular processing guitar audio while > receiving what I'm guessing to be MIDI note on, note off, and envelope data > from the Chicipick system. A few also featured a Moog, receiving control > voltage signals from Chicipick. > > Paolo > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 23 20:41:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA00931; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 20:40:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 20:40:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: OT: Deep Rack Bags Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:47:36 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry to bother you folks with an OT question. I'm hoping that someone here can help me. I'm looking for a 4 or 5 space rack bag to hold some of my gear. It needs to have at least 17" of internal depth, preferably 18" (I have a Stewart power amp). I have been searching for over a week with no luck. Is there a rack bag in production that meets these specs? Help me Obi Won... -- Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 23 21:10:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03111; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 21:09:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 21:09:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: karl.koy@att.net To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 21:06:47 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C15C06.A0A1C500" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C15C06.A0A1C500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribeunsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C15C06.A0A1C500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe
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------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C15C06.A0A1C500-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 23 21:14:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02838; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 21:05:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 21:05:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: YooN08@aol.com Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 21:03:55 EDT Subject: Re: unsubscribe To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <36.1d904ca5.29076d7b@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 23 22:21:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA06724; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 22:20:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 22:20:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004401c15c32$e70e9fa0$aeee1e3e@snowmonster> Reply-To: "one less than none" From: "one less than none" To: References: Subject: Re: Re:Best effects processor. Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 03:23:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i would love to ! the only problem is price (the old demon) i could get a 3000D/SE for half the price of an eclipse, i know it has nowhere near the same power but ................ its the money ! thanks for the advice though ! David ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 7:05 PM Subject: Re:Best effects processor. > David (aka one less than none) > your search for a "textural creating capable" FX processor could easily > stop at EVENTIDE ECLIPSE. This new unit is 5 times more powerful than > the oldglory H3000. It is a 24bit/up to 96KHz processor with two > configurable fx blocks for serial, parallel or dual mono processing. > It features about 100 algorithms derived straight from the flagship > Orville unit. Same audio converters too! It has an arsenal of lfos, > envelope followers and ADSRs that can be patched to any parameter. > A preset stores two algorithms loaded in the 2 blocks and their signal > routing, besides all midi controls patched to parameters. > Eclipse has analog, AES/EBU, S/PDIF, optical and ADAT digital inputs & > outputs. It can save thousands of presets to cheap small CFC (compact > flash cards) that can be backed up on a PC with a CFC reader. This > format is also useful for Internet OS updates & to trade patches as e- > mail attachments. > The algorithms have just about anything: mayhem preamps, polyfuzzes, > ethereal swellin pads with multi voice modulated delays/pitch shifters, > 5 seconds reverse shifters and reverse delays up to 20 seconds delay, > 40 seconds of looping time, multi ddl lines verbs with modulation, > filters, ring modulators, oscillators, comb filters, multi tap > delays/choruses/shifters, detuners, modulated diffusors, phasers, > tremolos, vibrato, PlexVerbs...an Eventide only ambient texture and > lots lots lots more features. > Download the manuals/algo list/preset/list from > http://www.eventide.com/eclipse/eclipse.htm > I got mine recently and it can stand side by side to my Orville with no > fear at all. > > best regards > Italo De Angelis > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 23 22:24:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA06911; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 22:23:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 22:23:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004b01c15c2a$5c4e4620$0e0aa8c0@den> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <001201c15a83$fec00fe0$0e0aa8c0@den> <0ded01c15b20$a531f400$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: EFC-7 mod wiring diagram Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 21:22:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <_3sQ3C.A.XrB.jXi17@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just now getting a chance to read this. THANK YOU, Dennis. Very much! I'll start looking for the parts, and I'll keep you posted on my results. Thanks again! Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis Leas To: Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 1:40 PM Subject: Re: EFC-7 mod wiring diagram > Hi Doug! > > Yes, you'll want to drill two holes, in the EFC-7. And that's a PHONE jack > rather than a PHONO jack. Here's my attempt at detailed directions (from > memory)... > > 1) Get all your parts before you begin work. A SPDT switch is the minimum > configuration required. A DPDT switch will be fine. If you want to use the > modified EFC-7 as a footswitch, I highly recommend the switch listed below. > recommended parts: > 1) one push-on/push-off switch, try GC Electronics: > http://www.gcwaldom.com/catalog.html > part no: 35-0490-0000. This switch has an indicator that > requires no power. It is a little > pricey but worth it, IMHO. The switch is also available from > other distributors. > 2) one high quality 1/4" phone jack, chassis mount. I've had > trouble with Radio Shack jacks. I'd > recommend a Switchcraft manufactured jack. > 3) insulated hook-up wire, 26 or 24 gauge, tinned > 4) optional washers or spacer for switch (see directions) > > tools: > 1) drill, drill bits, center punch. > 2) soldering iron, rosin-core solder > 3) wire cutters, needle-nose pliers > 4) ohmmeter, VOM, or continuity checker (optional) > > 2) Make sure your switch will fit in the EFC-7 case. I mounted my switch in > the upper right corner. The recommended switch is quite deep. I.e., it > requires a lot of clearance behind the panel. Disassemble the > EFC-7 case and try different switch locations. Make sure the switch will > fit when the EFC-7 is reassembled. > > The EFC-7 panel is rather thin so you may need to add a thick washer or > spacer between the switch and the > front panel. With the spacer/washer in place, the switch protrudes further > outside the case, giving the switch > more clearance inside, behind the panel. I found my spacer (a white plastic > cylinder) in the screen door repair parts > of my local hardware store. I had to enlarge the hole but after that, it > worked fine. Depending on what you find, > you may also need to shorten you spacer. > > When you have a good location for the switch, mark it. Center punch the > location. > > 3) Likewise, find a good location for the 1/4" phone jack. Mark it and > center punch the location. > > 4) Start with small drill bits, say 1/8" inch diameter and drill the switch > and jack holes. Gradually increase the hole > sizes until the switch and jack fit. > > 5) Make sure you remove all the drill tailings and debur the holes. > > 6) Mount the switch and jack. Using your eyeballs (less recommended) or an > ohmmeter (more recommended), > find the correct contacts on the switch. Call them "common", "A", and "B". > Before tightening the switch, rotate > it so that the correct contacts can be easily accessed. > > 7) Connect the RING of the new jack to the RING of the existing jack. > > 8) Disconnect the wire going to the TIP of the existing jack. Connect it to > the "common" terminal on the switch. > Don't overcook the switch when you solder the wire as you can melt the > switch. If possible, use the needle-nose > pliers as a heat sink for the switch by using it to hold the terminal > between the switch and the soldering point. > > 8) Connect the "A" switch terminal to the TIP of the existing jack. > > 9) Connect the "B" switch terminal to the TIP of the new jack. > > 10) Reassemble the EFC-7. Loop like crazy! > > Hope this helps (and is not insanely detailed)! Let me know if you've any > questions. > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 23 23:04:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA09378; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 23:02:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 23:02:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: giuseppe_poteet@worldnet.att.net User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 19:55:22 -0700 Subject: Re: Processor for synthy sounds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3BD5F489.21BDEF5A@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't recall seeing them mentioned in this thread, so I will: What about a Sherman Filterbank? Or perhaps a few of Paul Perry's various Frostwave pedals? Just a thought. on 10/23/01 3:51 PM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > why process when you can go synth? I'm totally loving my Roland GR-30. It's > sounds aren't that exciting, but when configured correctly (If you don't make > sure your pitchbend range are the same on both units it will track like hell), > it will control any midi sound source. The GR-33 is supposed to be even > better. It tracks great on my Steinburger. I ran one of my favorite synth > pad > sounds through one of the "synth" patches on my SpaceStation at the last gig > we > played and IT WAS THICK. > > Paolo Valladolid wrote: > >> I checked out the audio demos at http://www.chicipick.com and I rather liked >> them myself. >> >> Most of them featured a Nord MicroModular processing guitar audio while >> receiving what I'm guessing to be MIDI note on, note off, and envelope data >> from the Chicipick system. A few also featured a Moog, receiving control >> voltage signals from Chicipick. >> >> Paolo >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > For cheap, a good fuzz and a volume and or wah pedal do in a pinch. > > Mark Sottilaro > > Paolo Valladolid wrote: > >> I checked out the audio demos at http://www.chicipick.com and I rather liked >> them myself. >> >> Most of them featured a Nord MicroModular processing guitar audio while >> receiving what I'm guessing to be MIDI note on, note off, and envelope data >> from the Chicipick system. A few also featured a Moog, receiving control >> voltage signals from Chicipick. >> >> Paolo >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 23 23:53:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11494; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 23:52:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 23:52:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017601c15c31$62da2160$892ed9c8@r5f3d1> From: "IG2" To: References: <200110230212.WAA25756@hemlock.violacea.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20011022215146.00b28200@pop.mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Rocktron Midi Mate Controller Pedal Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 21:46:35 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0031_01C15C0C.2F98F1C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C15C0C.2F98F1C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i got the manual in pdf ... you want it ?=20 julio ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Sean Echevarria=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 3:04 AM Subject: Re: Rocktron Midi Mate Controller Pedal At 09:09 PM 10/22/2001, phil wrote: >anyone know this guy? opinions? I used to have one many years ago when they were black and red (vs the = current black and white color scheme). Very sturdy and compact pedal=20 board. I replaced mine with a PMC10 - miss the large patch name LEDs = and=20 the peace of mind that the heft of the board gave me, but as far as=20 programmability is concerned the PMC10 is the hands down winner. >are the claims about 6 >program changes per button on 6 different channels correct? I believe the old ones had 9 changes on 9 different channels per patch = (at=20 the expense of most of the control changes that are available on the=20 current model). >does the volume pedal function really work? It did on the old model. sean ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C15C0C.2F98F1C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
i got the manual in pdf ... you want it = ?=20
julio
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Sean=20 Echevarria
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 = 3:04=20 AM
Subject: Re: Rocktron Midi Mate = Controller Pedal

At 09:09 PM 10/22/2001, phil wrote:
>anyone know = this=20 guy? opinions?

I used to have one many years ago when they were = black=20 and red (vs the
current black and white color scheme).  Very = sturdy=20 and compact pedal
board.  I replaced mine with a PMC10 - miss = the=20 large patch name LEDs and
the peace of mind that the heft of the = board=20 gave me, but as far as
programmability is concerned the PMC10 is = the hands=20 down winner.


>are the claims about 6
>program = changes per=20 button on 6 different channels correct?

I believe the old ones = had 9=20 changes on 9 different channels per patch (at
the expense of most = of the=20 control changes that are available on the
current=20 model).


>does the volume pedal function really = work?

It=20 did on the old model.

sean
------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C15C0C.2F98F1C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 23 23:53:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11487; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 23:52:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 23:52:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017b01c15c31$647c38a0$892ed9c8@r5f3d1> From: "IG2" To: References: <20011023040932.6273.qmail@web12006.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Rocktron Midi Mate Controller Pedal Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 21:49:24 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003F_01C15C0C.94544C40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C15C0C.94544C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable can i update mine ? sorry about my ignorance ... it's in a vault for = years ... i never use it because i haven't any device to control live = ... just a quadraverb at home ...=20 julio ----- Original Message -----=20 From: faisal moro=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 5:13 AM Subject: Re: Rocktron Midi Mate Controller Pedal I still own the very first version since many years, and it works as a = rock. They updated the OS a couple of times, modifying features. I think=20 mine has version 1.5, that goes out with 9 istant controllers, 3=20 program changes channels plus one for the expression pedal. About this (the pedal), it works really well. In latest softwares, i think MIDI Mate has less controller buttons=20 and more MIDI channels at the same time. HopeThisHelps Doei, Faisal >anyone know this guy? opinions? are the claims about 6 >program changes per button on 6 different channels >correct? does the volume pedal function really work? ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C15C0C.94544C40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
can i update mine ? sorry about my = ignorance=20  ... it's in a vault for years ... i never use it because i haven't = any=20 device to control live ... just a quadraverb at home ...
julio
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 faisal moro=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 = 5:13=20 AM
Subject: Re: Rocktron Midi Mate = Controller Pedal

I still own the very first version since many years, = and it=20 works as a rock.
They updated the OS a couple of times, modifying = features.=20 I think
mine has version 1.5, that goes out with 9 istant = controllers, 3=20
program changes channels plus one for the expression = pedal.
About this=20 (the pedal), it works really well.
In latest softwares, i think = MIDI Mate=20 has less controller buttons
and more MIDI channels at the same=20 time.

HopeThisHelps

Doei,
Faisal

>anyone = know this=20 guy? opinions? are the claims about 6
>program changes per = button on 6=20 different channels
>correct? does the volume pedal function = really=20 work?
------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C15C0C.94544C40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 24 01:34:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA17714; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 01:33:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 01:33:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Apparently-From: Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 00:32:13 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Tim Reynolds on Craig Kilborn From: Mike Feeney To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <7A67440D-C840-11D5-AD0D-000502F1608B@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just saw that Tim Reynolds is going to be on the upcoming Craig Kilborn show on CBS (about to start in half an hour here) so if you get this in time and are in an appropriate time zone, you may want to checkit out! =) Mike _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 24 03:17:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA23597; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 03:16:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 03:16:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 00:15:00 -0700 Subject: Re: OT: Deep Rack Bags From: Mark Sottilaro To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 10/23/01 5:47 PM, Tim Goodwin at deepbass6@earthlink.net wrote: > Sorry to bother you folks with an OT question. I'm hoping that someone here > can help me. I'm looking for a 4 or 5 space rack bag to hold some of my > gear. It needs to have at least 17" of internal depth, preferably 18" (I > have a Stewart power amp). I have been searching for over a week with no > luck. Is there a rack bag in production that meets these specs? Help me > Obi Won... > > -- > Tim > Rack bag? Probably the reason you're not finding one in a four or five space is because it's probably not as sturdy as it needs to be, I would think. I found that SKB racks are pretty good, and not very expensive. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 24 03:25:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA23942; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 03:23:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 03:23:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 00:22:41 -0700 Subject: Repeater Pitch control From: Mark Sottilaro To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3B9C543B.D716279D@voicenet.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, goofing around, I hit a note button on my Roland MC-307 and viola, the Repeater INSTANTLY shifted the pitch of my loop at that exact interval (from a root note of C) I knew this feature existed, but had not explored it yet. Within a few moments, I was playing my loop like an instrument. This thing is amazing. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 24 03:48:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA24630; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 03:47:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 03:47:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011024074646.14135.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 00:46:46 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Repeater reviewed in Keyboard Magazine To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The reviewer gives it high marks & makes note of the midi sync glitches. He does say that Electrix has a bug fix on the way. He also mentions Loopers-Delight! I don't think he gave it a "KeyBuy" rating. He must be saving that for the upgraded EDP (hint hint). John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 24 04:00:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA24997; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 03:59:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 03:59:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: faisalmoro@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <017b01c15c31$647c38a0$892ed9c8@r5f3d1> References: <20011023040932.6273.qmail@web12006.mail.yahoo.com> <017b01c15c31$647c38a0$892ed9c8@r5f3d1> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:02:23 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: faisal moro Subject: Re: Rocktron Midi Mate Controller Pedal Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1208211952==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1208211952==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I'm quite sure that you can ask for an updated EEPROM to Rocktron. I didn't updated it as for my setup i prefer to have 10 control buttons than 5. My SwitchBlade can handle a load of MIDI channels patches at once, so this was a good "compromise". HopeThisHelps Doei Faisal >can i update mine ? sorry about my ignorance ... it's in a vault >for years ... i never use it because i haven't any device to control >live ... just a quadraverb at home ... --============_-1208211952==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Rocktron Midi Mate Controller Pedal
I'm quite sure that you can ask for an updated EEPROM to Rocktron.
I didn't updated it as for my setup i prefer to have 10 control buttons than 5.
My SwitchBlade can handle a load of MIDI channels patches at once, so this was a good "compromise".

HopeThisHelps

Doei
Faisal


can i update mine ? sorry about my ignorance  ... it's in a vault for years ... i never use it because i haven't any device to control live ... just a quadraverb at home ...
--============_-1208211952==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 24 09:50:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11789; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 09:42:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 09:42:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0f4201c15c90$e0bbbad0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Deep Rack Bags Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 08:36:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <_xMRq.A.E4C.5Us17@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Symbolic Sound Corp (makers of the Kyma) offer a carrying case that might work for you. Although it's intended for their Capybara Sound Computation Engine, I think it might work for you. The Capy is rather deep (physically and logically) so the case might work for you. More info and linx to pix: http://www.symbolicsound.com/PricingAndOrdering.pdf Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 24 11:13:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18072; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:11:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:11:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:11:24 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Tim Reynolds on Craig Kilborn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003701c15c9e$25e1fcc0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <7A67440D-C840-11D5-AD0D-000502F1608B@yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com was this a rerun of the show a month ago or so? > > > I just saw that Tim Reynolds is going to be on the upcoming Craig > Kilborn show on CBS (about to start in half an hour here) so if you get > this in time and are in an appropriate time zone, you may want to > checkit out! =) > > Mike > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 24 11:17:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18412; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:16:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:16:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Apparently-From: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:16:34 -0500 Subject: Re: Tim Reynolds on Craig Kilborn From: Mike Feeney To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" , jim palmer Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003701c15c9e$25e1fcc0$080210ac@jpalmer> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not sure, I don't watch the show regularly ... Was about to go to bed when I glanced at the screen and saw his name listed as coming up. Mike on 10/24/01 10.11 AM, jim palmer at jimp@pobox.com said somethin' like: > was this a rerun of the show a month ago or so? > > >> >> >> I just saw that Tim Reynolds is going to be on the upcoming Craig >> Kilborn show on CBS (about to start in half an hour here) so if you get >> this in time and are in an appropriate time zone, you may want to >> checkit out! =) >> >> Mike >> >> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 24 12:53:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23638; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 12:52:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 12:52:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhUAtl6px7tEmpqfWCyCGwUUFCeoKlcCE2MNi3GtbpB7jSb12WCp5LS1nus= From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 09:51:28 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: roland sp-808 Message-ID: <20667-3BD6F190-523@storefull-135.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone have any comments on the ROLAND SP-808? Compared to other units in that price bracket. Is it user freindly? I'm just a begginer in the looping arena. Many thanx, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 24 13:14:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26514; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:12:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:12:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074269@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "Looper's Delight (E-mail)" Subject: re derek bailey in l.a. Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:08:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C15CAE.834A6400" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C15CAE.834A6400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" howdy, since i had mentioned that he was to be here this week, i need to relate the following info to all who may have planned to hear him: (all info from http://www.roccoinla.com/entert.html ) DEREK BAILEY has been forced to cancel his flight to America due to illness. We are, of course, very disappointed, and hope Derek is feeling better soon. In the meantime, we are still going to present these events, which promise some very interesting & unique music, even in the absence of Mr. Bailey. Thursday & Friday Oct 25-26, 11pm, $10 admission Creative Music Company : with Dan Clucas - cornet, trumpet, flute Joseph Hammer - electronics, tape loops Chris Heenan - alto saxophone, bass clarinet Ronit Kirchman - violin Rick Potts - electronics, musical saw Sara Schoenbeck - bassoon Damon Smith - contrabass (from San Francisco) Rich West - percussion Saturday, October 27, 11pm, $10 admission THE ACOUSTIC GUITAR TRIO: Rod Poole - acoustic guitar, bowed guitar Nels Cline - acoustic guitars Jim McAuley - acoustic guitars ------_=_NextPart_001_01C15CAE.834A6400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable re derek bailey in l.a.

howdy,

since i had mentioned that he was to = be here this week, i need to relate the following info to all who may = have planned to hear him:

(all info from http://www.roccoinla.com/entert.html   = )



DEREK BAILEY has been forced to cancel = his flight to America due to illness. We are, of course, very = disappointed, and hope Derek is feeling better soon.

In the meantime, we are still going to = present these events, which promise some very interesting & unique = music, even in the absence of Mr. Bailey.

Thursday & Friday Oct 25-26, 11pm, = $10 admission

Creative Music Company :
with

Dan Clucas - cornet, trumpet, flute
Joseph Hammer - electronics, tape loops
Chris Heenan - alto saxophone, bass clarinet
Ronit Kirchman - violin
Rick Potts - electronics, musical saw
Sara Schoenbeck - bassoon
Damon Smith - contrabass (from San Francisco)
Rich West - percussion

Saturday, October 27, 11pm, $10 = admission
THE ACOUSTIC GUITAR TRIO:

Rod Poole - acoustic guitar, bowed guitar
Nels Cline - acoustic guitars
Jim McAuley - acoustic guitars


------_=_NextPart_001_01C15CAE.834A6400-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 24 13:52:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28134; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:51:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:51:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BD6FF5B.5AF7CA74@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:50:30 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Processor for synthy sounds References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com giuseppe_poteet@worldnet.att.net wrote: > I don't recall seeing them mentioned in this thread, so I will: > What about a Sherman Filterbank? Or perhaps a few of Paul Perry's various > Frostwave pedals? Just a thought. > and don't forget bob moog's great line of moogerfooger modular synth components: there's a lowpass filter, ring mod, phaser, analog delay & control processor...any (or all) of these combined with an ebow (or?) and you've got lots of synthesizing capabilities... http://www.bigbriar.com/ excellent sounding gear (as one might expect from bob), very flexible, and you can add pieces as your budget allows... lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 24 14:30:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA32150; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:28:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:28:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200110241827.f9OIRAh02715@chmls06.mediaone.net> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:20:55 -0400 From: Dean Stiglitz Subject: re[2]: Processor for synthy sounds To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: Peter Cohen Associates X-Mailer: GoldMine [5.50.10424] Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA32086 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com another (often overlooked) piece of gear is the peavy specturm analog filter. basically, a standard synth configuration, but with 3 audio inputs rather than oscillators...all controlls (lots of knobs) can send an recieve midi cc's, and envelopes can be triggered by audio (even audio not "in the mix"), or midi. really, a great unit (this and the 1600x are the only peavy gear i own). deknow From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 24 16:43:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10337; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:42:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:42:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:39:15 -0800 Subject: Re: Tim Reynolds on Craig Kilborn From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <806zED.A.2gC.tdy17@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeah it was a rerun-i think it was discussed before,but what was he loopin w/-and it sounded like some kind of regenerative delay was being used also(at the same time). thanx stanner on 10/24/01 7:16 AM, Mike Feeney at feeneymike@yahoo.com wrote: > > > I'm not sure, I don't watch the show regularly ... Was about to go to > bed when I glanced at the screen and saw his name listed as coming up. > > Mike > > > > > on 10/24/01 10.11 AM, jim palmer at jimp@pobox.com said somethin' like: > >> was this a rerun of the show a month ago or so? >> >> >>> >>> >>> I just saw that Tim Reynolds is going to be on the upcoming Craig >>> Kilborn show on CBS (about to start in half an hour here) so if you get >>> this in time and are in an appropriate time zone, you may want to >>> checkit out! =) >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 24 17:32:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15140; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 17:30:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 17:30:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005701c15cd3$4eab7980$3e64f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200110230805.EAA12750@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Best fx processor for 'sythy' sounds Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:31:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The ZOOM 1201 processer (now, officially out of print, I believe) has more wierd bang for the buck than any multi-processer I know of. No leds. No midi, but bank C is seriously twisted!! It has lo-fi, noise, ring modulator, a working vocoder (!) and much much more. It is very, very lo tech and only cost $149 brand new. Check it out. I'm sure you can find one used somewhere or at digi-bid or e-bay. The a and b banks are typical reverb, modulation effects that are nothing to write home about, so any guitarist who bought this,soon, wanted to unload it, I'm sure. It also has the ungliest front panel graphics in history so what I did it make a template, get some of that shiny, holographic, techno paper and covered it up. Now I don't know what bank is what, so it has become my mystery "wierder-outer". I actually love not knowing what will come out of it: It is very 'oblique strategies' in this respect ;-) yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 24 18:09:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18899; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 18:08:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 18:08:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017101c15cd8$9e6205c0$dabd9318@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Luden" To: "Doug Lawrence" , References: Subject: Re: Oberheim GM-1000 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 17:59:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I bought one awhile ago and think the sound quality is a bit noisy, but I haven't had time yet to create new sounds or tweak the fx's. I still think it's quite a bargain for the price. Let me know any new sounds you create and I'll do the same. I'm presently using it through aux sends from a Berhringer 2642A. Not bad for guitar but to noisy for synth. (I know...) Luden ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lawrence" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 3:08 PM Subject: Oberheim GM-1000 > Anybody check out the Oberheim GM-1000 guitar effects processor? It seems to > be a great unit for the price at musicyo.com. > > I'm especially interested in the stereo Tap Delay and Pitch Shifting > functions (as used with bass) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 24 18:13:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19911; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 18:13:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 18:13:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017201c15cd9$570e5420$dabd9318@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Luden" To: "Elio DeLuca" , Cc: "Peter Badore" References: Subject: Re: Affordable Soundscapes (and the Line 6 DL4) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 18:15:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have 2 DL4's but at the moment the one has no output (need to have it fixed) For awhile I was able to do the same thing as you are (i.e. delay one 1 and loop on the 2nd). I agree the settings are quite "touchy". I have also looped one into the other (it got to confusing after awhile). I'm also working on an A-B switch box I'm building myself, but every time I think about it I see another approach. Oh the problems of today's loopers. Luden ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elio DeLuca" To: Cc: "Peter Badore" Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 9:56 PM Subject: Re: Affordable Soundscapes (and the Line 6 DL4) > While it may not outdo the TC-stuff in bells n' whistles, or the BOSS > looper in terms of looping time, the Line 6 DL4 is a terrific way to go > stereo and still sound good while not shucking out too much cash or > getting lost in the land of rackmounts. Anyone else a fan of using two > DL4's? Can't beat setting up delays on one and then looping on the other, > or running the existing loop back into the first DL4 (through a mixer, > very carefully to avoid squealing) to truncate an existing loop or create > deeper delay hell. I need to figure out a stereo A/B/C switch-box setup to > really take advantage of them (to allow inputs to both or either DL4, and > in between themselves), but that's a few paychecks down the road..... > > Would love to hear other DL4 users' ideas + techniques. > > E.D. > > ____________________________________________ > Telepathy Records telepathyrecords.com > ____________________________________________ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 24 21:25:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00715; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 21:22:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 21:22:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.34.82.43] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Processor for synthy sounds Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 21:21:26 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Oct 2001 01:21:27.0034 (UTC) FILETIME=[5E33B5A0:01C15CF3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark wrote: "why process when you can go synth?" Me: The original poster said he already tried guitar synths and stated he didn't like them. The Nord Micromodular that is featured in the demos at http://www.chicipick.com _is_ a synth, btw. Take a gander at http://www.clavia.se/modular.htm to see what I'm taking about. But it can also be used as a processor because it has external audio inputs. If you already have a guitar synth or other pitch-MIDI converter, even better... you don't have to buy a Chicipick to try out the ideas presented at that website (using pick signals to start/stop sequences, control synth parameters in real time, etc.). I like the Sitar2 demo myself. The bass demos are neat too. Most of these demos are generated by real guitars and basses processed through synths. Heck you don't even have to use a Micromodular (although they are relatively inexpensive). Any synth that can process external audio will do. Paolo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 24 21:39:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01390; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 21:37:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 21:37:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c15cf6$257f6260$0bee1e3e@snowmonster> Reply-To: "one less than none" From: "one less than none" To: References: Subject: Re: Processor for synthy sounds Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 02:41:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com nope i dont like guitar synths im looking for rackmount fx units ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 2:21 AM Subject: Re: Processor for synthy sounds > Mark wrote: > > "why process when you can go synth?" > > Me: > > The original poster said he already tried guitar synths and stated he didn't > like them. > > The Nord Micromodular that is featured in the demos at > http://www.chicipick.com _is_ a synth, btw. Take a gander at > http://www.clavia.se/modular.htm to see what I'm taking about. But it can > also be used as a processor because it has external audio inputs. > > If you already have a guitar synth or other pitch-MIDI converter, even > better... you don't have to buy a Chicipick to try out the ideas presented > at that website (using pick signals to start/stop sequences, control synth > parameters in real time, etc.). I like the Sitar2 demo myself. The bass > demos are neat too. Most of these demos are generated by real guitars and > basses processed through synths. > > Heck you don't even have to use a Micromodular (although they are relatively > inexpensive). Any synth that can process external audio will do. > > Paolo > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 24 22:10:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03794; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 22:08:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 22:08:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BD783E3.A84E7977@erols.com> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 22:15:56 -0500 From: J G Wong Reply-To: adaaxs@erols.com Organization: Tokusatsu.com Tokusatsu Access Archive X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: back lubing echo References: <200110240800.EAA26162@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have been having a binding problem with the loops on my Roland RE-201. I make up my own loops using 6xx Quantegy Mastering .25" tape, everything was fine until recently. I use 3 of these type delays and this one has an intermittent binding thing where it just stops, can't tell what causes it. I have heard of back lubing tapes for similar occurences on RTR machines. Anybody familiar with this practice. g wong From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 25 00:29:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA11434; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 00:28:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 00:28:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 21:27:29 -0700 Subject: Re: Processor for synthy sounds From: Mark Sottilaro To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 10/24/01 6:21 PM, Paolo Valladolid at phv40@hotmail.com wrote: > Mark wrote: > > "why process when you can go synth?" > > Me: > > The original poster said he already tried guitar synths and stated he didn't > like them. > Well, at one time I didn't like them either, until I got a decent one with a good guitar. Just saying... Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 25 00:31:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA11618; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 00:30:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 00:30:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 02:31:05 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re:Best effects processor. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Alex >sure it can! Eclipse lfos rates , delay, looping and reverb time can >be absolutely synced to TAP TEMPO and MIDI CLOCK. hmm, I may be boring by now... but be carefull about the word Sync. It is taken for a continuous process of keeping two rhythms together, while Eclipse probably just takes over the speed once and then runs free (so rhythms slowly fall apart), right? Or what means "absolutely synced"? You can only sync repeating events, two clocks, not a time... I may be wrong here. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 25 00:31:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA11507; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 00:29:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 00:29:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 02:29:34 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re:Best effects processor. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <0ZBH0B.A.YzC.CU517@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >5 times more powerful than the oldglory ... the flagship Orville >unit. ... arsenal of lfos, >... it can stand side by side to my Orville with no fear at all. ...while my Lex lets its cables go... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 25 07:03:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA32094; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 07:01:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 07:01:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <10f.730a3c0.29094ac9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 07:00:25 EDT Subject: EDP trick To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <-7C9oB.A.T1H.4D_17@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Start a very short loop with Feeback at about half and put Overdub on. Play for about 30s then turn off Overdub and put feedback to 100%. Now repeatedly hit Undo. The EDP works it way back through the stuff you recorded, playing repeated fragments. try it andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 25 07:48:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01050; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 07:48:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 07:48:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 13:47:20 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: Re:Best effects processor. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: "italoop@libero.it" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-XaM3-API-Version: 1.1.9.1.39.1.2 X-SenderIP: 213.45.76.67 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id HAA01012 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > hmm, I may be boring by now... but be carefull about the word Sync. > It is taken for a continuous process of keeping two rhythms together, > while Eclipse probably just takes over the speed once and then runs > free (so rhythms slowly fall apart), right? > Or what means "absolutely synced"? > > You can only sync repeating events, two clocks, not a time... > I may be wrong here. > -- > > >---> http://Matthias.Grob.org NO! Matthias, Eclipse continuously updates to midi clock sync fed from external units! I am usin my Repeater sending clock to it and while I cange Repeater BPM value, I see tha same value changing on Eclipse display! So all delays and lfo values are always in sync! best regards Italo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 25 12:17:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16230; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:15:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:15:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c15d70$283978e0$8483abd4@giogio> From: "luca" To: Subject: OT - luca's web place Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 18:14:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01C15D80.EA05A4C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C15D80.EA05A4C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi guys, if you like you can visit my new (and first) web site. i didn't want to scare you with any picture, so it will be a safe = navigation. all my best, luca ------------------------------------------------------------------- www.unguitar.com ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C15D80.EA05A4C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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= ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C15D80.EA05A4C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 25 13:44:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20683; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 13:41:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 13:41:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [199.179.162.196] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: roland sp-808 Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:39:48 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Oct 2001 17:39:48.0470 (UTC) FILETIME=[0AFC0160:01C15D7C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The SP-808 is one of the best "samplers" out there. Of course, if you add more bells and whistles to the unit, it might end up being your main unit. It's easy to upgrade, and there are a lot of patches for it. It's REALLY simple to operate, and is very intrinsic in design. Lucien E. Darthard A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It. http://ldarthard.ohgo.com/ ----Original Message Follows---- From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: roland sp-808 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 09:51:28 -0700 (PDT) Does anyone have any comments on the ROLAND SP-808? Compared to other units in that price bracket. Is it user freindly? I'm just a begginer in the looping arena. Many thanx, Bill _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 25 13:47:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20995; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 13:45:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 13:45:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BD84F88.DCA382DA@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:44:41 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - luca's web place References: <001a01c15d70$283978e0$8483abd4@giogio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I like the page! Clean and easy to navigate. Might want to have someone go over the grammar, some of the sentences are a bit hard to understand. Mark Sottilaro luca wrote: > hi guys,if you like you can visit my new (and first) web site.i didn't > want to scare you with any picture, so it will be a safe > navigation.all my > best,luca ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > www.unguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 25 14:35:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24012; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 14:33:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 14:33:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Jamie Drouin (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Electrix releases OS1.1 for Repeater Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 11:33:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey loopers, We have just uploaded the new OS1.1 to the website. Let the download frenzy begin! Here's the official press release: Electrix announces the new OS1.1 for Repeater Following the successful launch of Repeater, Electrix has announced an upgrade in the software. The new OS has added several features to the already extensive feature list. New Features in OS1.1 include: -Dry signal path mute - Supports equipment setups in which Repeater is provided as a supplemental signal source. -Erase loop via MIDI CC- Allows an entire loop to be erased with a single MIDI CC message. -Record Track advance selection via MIDI CC/PC - A single MIDI message advances Repeater to the next available track(s) available for recording. -Coarse slip/pitch control - In the slip and pitch displays, coarse adjustment is provided by the left encoder (whole semitones, whole beats) while the right encoder accesses the sub-beat and sub-semitone adjustment. -Audio triggered record during playback - Audio triggering can now be set up with actively playing audio via MIDI. -Stereo Level/Mute control via MIDI CC - Controls the levels of tracks 1 and 2 jointly, and 3 and 4 jointly to support Repeater's use in stereo setups. PLUS greatly enhanced MIDI capabilities, accurate real-time sync toexternal clock, precise control of downstream devices such as drum machines, and significant audio quality improvements. The new OS is available at no charge to download from the Electrix website www.electrixpro.com. It is extremely easy to install via the front-loading CFC slot and takes only a few minutes. For more information visit the Electrix website at www.electrixpro.com Best regards, Jamie. Jamie Drouin Visual Designer Electrix/IVL Technologies Ltd 6710 Bertram Place, Victoria, BC, V8M 1Z6 Canada email... jamie@electrixpro.com fax... 250-544-4102 voice... 250-544-4114 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 25 15:13:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26651; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 15:12:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 15:12:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: Repeater OS 1.1 released Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:05:26 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just logged on the forum and found it is ready for download. www.electrixpro.com Neil Goldstein Portland, Oregon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 25 15:32:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27350; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 15:31:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 15:31:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c15d8b$7644eb30$6b87abd4@giogio> From: "luca" To: References: <001a01c15d70$283978e0$8483abd4@giogio> <3BD84F88.DCA382DA@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: OT - luca's web place Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 21:30:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" > I like the page! Clean and easy to navigate. Might > want to have > someone go over the grammar, some of the sentences are a bit hard to > understand. hi mark, thanks !!! yes, i'd need to have an english teacher, any help ? off list if you want, i think most of you don't need any grammar lesson in english !! thanks again, luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 25 16:03:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29686; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 16:01:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 16:01:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Hunter" Importance: Normal Subject: Repeater OS1.1 available! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Message-ID: Sender: "Michael Hunter" Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 15:58:28 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D01ML235/01/M/IBM(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 10/25/2001 04:00:15 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It here! Yes! Go to http://www.electrixpro.com to get it! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 25 16:09:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29877; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 16:06:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 16:06:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <92.1c214de1.2909caa4@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 16:05:56 EDT Subject: Re: Repeater OS1.1 available! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_92.1c214de1.2909caa4_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_92.1c214de1.2909caa4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/25/01 4:01:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mihunter@us.ibm.com writes: > It here! Yes! > luca.....this is not correct "english" but it does show a bit of excitment.....:)m --part1_92.1c214de1.2909caa4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/25/01 4:01:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mihunter@us.ibm.com writes:


It here! Yes!


luca.....this is not correct "english" but it does show a bit of excitment.....:)m --part1_92.1c214de1.2909caa4_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 25 18:25:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04604; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 18:24:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 18:24:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BD890D4.22CE145D@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 15:23:16 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater OS 1.1 released References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think it's time for me to do a new Repeater review based on this new OS... as far as I'm concerned, other than being able to end a loop directly into record/overdub, the Repeater is now ready for prime time. LET THE GAMES BEGIN! Mark Sottilaro Neil Goldstein wrote: > Just logged on the forum and found it is ready for download. > > www.electrixpro.com > > Neil Goldstein > Portland, Oregon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 25 20:26:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10334; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 20:20:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 20:20:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: giuseppe_poteet@worldnet.att.net User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 17:12:27 -0700 Subject: OT: Golia/Fields/Makihara To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001a01c15d70$283978e0$8483abd4@giogio> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I seem to recall someone here mentioning Vinny Golia. Well, he's playing soon here in the ATL with Scott Fields & Toshi Makihara. I plan to go to the show, but have heard no music by any of them. Can anyone give me some insight? Is the show liable to be tolerable for those not totally enamored of squonkiness (ie my girlfriend)? Thanks Tom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 25 20:34:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10951; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 20:33:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 20:33:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: Repeater OS 1.1 released Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 17:27:10 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3BD890D4.22CE145D@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Had a little time to play. The midi sync, at least on the slave end, seems to work fine now... Neil Goldstein Portland, Oregon > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 3:23 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Repeater OS 1.1 released > > > I think it's time for me to do a new Repeater review based on this new > OS... as far as I'm concerned, other than being able to end a loop > directly into record/overdub, the Repeater is now ready for prime time. > LET THE GAMES BEGIN! > > > Mark Sottilaro > > Neil Goldstein wrote: > > > Just logged on the forum and found it is ready for download. > > > > www.electrixpro.com > > > > Neil Goldstein > > Portland, Oregon > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 25 20:35:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11159; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 20:35:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 20:35:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074280@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Golia/Fields/Makihara Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 20:33:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C15DB5.C5D32F20" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C15DB5.C5D32F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" that would probably be me as i've played with vinny many times over the last two decades or so and have two cds out of a trio of he, me and billy mintz. vinny's a monster woodwind player . . . squonky , i don't know if i'd call him that. is definitely a post-trane kinda guy who has absorbed a lot of new music. prodigious technique . . . scott fields . . . favors a pretty dry sound for my ears. i've also seen him crank it. not my fave guitar player. makihara i know nothing about. i think i once did a search on the 'net for him . . . a search like that might be useful for you. i think they're all fairly well known in the field. should be worthwhile hearing, i would imagine. about you girlfriend's ears . . . dunno how that'll play out. not sure this helps. stig -----Original Message----- From: giuseppe_poteet@worldnet.att.net [mailto:giuseppe_poteet@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 5:12 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Golia/Fields/Makihara I seem to recall someone here mentioning Vinny Golia. Well, he's playing soon here in the ATL with Scott Fields & Toshi Makihara. I plan to go to the show, but have heard no music by any of them. Can anyone give me some insight? Is the show liable to be tolerable for those not totally enamored of squonkiness (ie my girlfriend)? Thanks Tom ------_=_NextPart_001_01C15DB5.C5D32F20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Golia/Fields/Makihara

that would probably be me as i've played with vinny = many times over the last two decades or so and have two cds out of a = trio of he, me and billy mintz.

vinny's a monster woodwind player . . . squonky , i = don't know if i'd call him that. is definitely a post-trane kinda guy = who has absorbed a lot of new music. prodigious technique  . . = .

scott fields . . . favors a pretty dry sound for my = ears. i've also seen him crank it. not my fave guitar player.

makihara i know nothing about. i think i once did a = search on the 'net for him . . .  a search like that might be = useful for you.

i think they're all fairly well known in the field. = should be worthwhile hearing, i would imagine. about you girlfriend's = ears . . . dunno how that'll play out.

not sure this helps.

stig

-----Original Message-----
From: giuseppe_poteet@worldnet.att.net
[mailto:giuseppe_poteet@= worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 5:12 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: OT: Golia/Fields/Makihara


I seem to recall someone here mentioning Vinny = Golia.  Well, he's playing
soon here in  the ATL with Scott Fields & = Toshi Makihara.  I plan to go to
the show, but have heard no music by any of = them.  Can anyone give me some
insight?  Is the show liable to be tolerable = for those not totally enamored
of squonkiness (ie my girlfriend)?

Thanks
Tom

------_=_NextPart_001_01C15DB5.C5D32F20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 25 21:04:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13488; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 21:03:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 21:03:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008801c15db9$a705e980$9b197bd5@oemcomputer> From: "David Young" To: Subject: kORG d16 and D8 question Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 02:00:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi I am in the process of buying a d16 and selling a d8 what want to know is Can I load my saved songs from my d8 in to my d16 ? via scsi zip drive Are they both compatible ? Kindest Regards Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 25 21:29:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14243; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 21:27:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 21:27:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002c01c15dbe$3a48bf20$adb84e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: Golia/Fields/Makihara Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 21:33:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01C15D9C.B24C22E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C15D9C.B24C22E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Steuart wrote: makihara i know nothing about. i think i once did a search on the 'net = for him . . . a search like that might be useful for you Toshi is a veteran Philadelphia area percussionist and composer who's = been playing 'free' and improvisational music for years, collaborating = with dozens of other well-known and unknown musicians. He's a very = sensitive player and has a great musical sense of humor as well. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C15D9C.B24C22E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: = Golia/Fields/Makihara
Steuart wrote:
makihara i know nothing = about. i=20 think i once did a search on the 'net for him . . .  a search like = that=20 might be useful for you
 
Toshi is a veteran Philadelphia area = percussionist and=20 composer who's been playing 'free' and improvisational music for years,=20 collaborating with dozens of other well-known and unknown = musicians.  He's=20 a very sensitive player and has a great musical sense of humor as=20 well.
------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C15D9C.B24C22E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 25 21:44:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14924; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 21:43:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 21:43:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 21:42:06 EDT Subject: Re: Golia/Fields/Makihara To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 104 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know there are other Philly Musicians-loopers on LD who can chime in here and offer up perhaps many better examples than me which attest to the greatness of Toshi Makahara...but i gotta say in all sincerity that Toshi Makahara is "all that" & lots more, Toshi Makahara is from Japan but a Philly Luminary-Treasure who has worked with John Zorn, Jack Wright and Charles Cohen plus many, many others others ( including wally shoup, bob rhainey (sp) ) in areas of free jazz and improvised music for many years. Toshi is probably IMHO one of thee most amazing free - avant garde percussionist-drummers i've ever seen play music. & i'll never forget him attaching somethin akin to a cannon ball on a flexi-pole to his butt as he thumped out a rhythm and did a dance which I have never in all my life ever witnessed. Toshi then proceeded to reuturn to playing a drum kit with somthing resembling common kitchen utencils or opther devices which were unknown along with having drums and objects i had never witnessed before or even considered percussive objects. His sense of space, timing, texture, vitality and humor in addition to his more than serious devotion to and commitment to free music is both clear, enagaing, positive and a delight to watch and hear unfold in a live context. Toshi also has done some straight ahead jazz stuff too & has some key releases out there too. but I also cant really find many web references to his stuff but i can definitely tell you no matter what he is gonna do it will definitely be worth anyones time and listening abilites as that Toshi's performances have always been splendid and rewarding to me and everyone else in the audience. So Go See Toshi and see for yourself. But KNOW You are in for a treat! Warm Regards, John Price/AKASH GET THE NEW AKASH CD "THE GIFT OF PUNISHMENT" "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" www.akashmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 26 03:57:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA00683; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 03:56:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 03:56:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c15df3$9a1ca850$51cec22b@cambmaya04> From: "Os" To: References: <3BD890D4.22CE145D@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Repeater OS 1.1 released Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 08:55:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <4TapgB.A.TK.JcR27@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Did they fix/improve the 'bump' issue? I must say, I've cancelled my Repeater order (planning to get a Powerbook instead) but am still watching this device with interest... cheers, os. os@collective.co.uk http://www.mp3.com/carbonboy/ http://www.mp3.com/darkroomuk/ http://www.collective.co.uk/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 11:23 PM Subject: Re: Repeater OS 1.1 released > I think it's time for me to do a new Repeater review based on this new > OS... as far as I'm concerned, other than being able to end a loop > directly into record/overdub, the Repeater is now ready for prime time. > LET THE GAMES BEGIN! > > > Mark Sottilaro > > Neil Goldstein wrote: > > > Just logged on the forum and found it is ready for download. > > > > www.electrixpro.com > > > > Neil Goldstein > > Portland, Oregon > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 26 04:14:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA02534; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 04:13:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 04:13:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BD91C61.C684A0EB@ripco.com> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 03:19:03 -0500 From: Eric Leonardson Reply-To: eleon@ripco.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: "Liebig, Steuart A." Subject: re derek bailey in l.a. References: <200110251835.OAA24144@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------49D29A810AA5ADDB7F8F8DDD" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------49D29A810AA5ADDB7F8F8DDD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Steuart, This is the first I've heard of this....the cancellation I mean. That's too bad... Derek's gig with Casy Rice here in Chicago this weekend received a big write-up in the Music Section of the Chicago Reader: http://www.chireader.com/hitsville/011026.html Whatever the illness, I hope Mr. Bailey will be fine soon. Best regards, Eric -- Eric Leonardson: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon Upcoming Performances: November 1, with Tatsuya Nakatani at splinter group Audio Studio, 450 N. Leavitt, Chicago. More info at http://www.zeggz.com/tat/ December 7-9 and 13-16, Plasticene's Volume XII at the Viaduct, Chicago --------------49D29A810AA5ADDB7F8F8DDD Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Steuart,

This is the first I've heard of this....the cancellation I mean. That's too bad...

Derek's gig with Casy Rice here in Chicago this weekend received a big write-up in the
Music Section of the Chicago Reader: http://www.chireader.com/hitsville/011026.html

Whatever the illness, I hope Mr. Bailey will be fine soon.

Best regards,
Eric

-- Eric Leonardson: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon

Upcoming Performances:

November 1, with Tatsuya Nakatani at splinter group Audio Studio, 450
N. Leavitt, Chicago. More info at http://www.zeggz.com/tat/

December 7-9 and 13-16, Plasticene's Volume XII at the Viaduct, Chicago --------------49D29A810AA5ADDB7F8F8DDD-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 26 04:29:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA03157; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 04:28:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 04:28:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <74.122a6e00.290a7855@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 04:27:01 EDT Subject: Re: Best fx processor re:Zoom1201 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > The ZOOM 1201 processer (now, officially out of print, I believe) has more > wierd bang for the buck than any multi-processer I know of. > No leds. No midi, but bank C is seriously twisted!! As Rick says, this is worth considering. He forgot to mention the auto-filters, which I think are very nice. All presets, but a good selection of ADSRs and a couple of Envelope followers. In fact, most of your favourite synthy sounds. ...and those Reverbs? absolutely awful, worse than "so bad they're good". andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 26 04:29:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA03158; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 04:28:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 04:28:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <43.b68d01.290a7856@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 04:27:02 EDT Subject: Re: back lubing echo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I have been having a binding problem with the loops on my Roland RE-201. > I make up my own loops using 6xx Quantegy Mastering .25" tape, > everything was fine until recently. I use 3 of these type delays and > this one has an intermittent binding thing where it just stops, can't > tell what causes it. How old is the tape? Some tapes degrade and get "sticky". From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 26 04:32:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA03480; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 04:31:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 04:31:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: mahijiru.compact.dhs.org: www-data set sender to erwill@suitandtieguy.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater OS 1.1 released Message-ID: <1004085049.3bd91f3917b30@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 04:30:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Williamson References: <3BD890D4.22CE145D@zerocrossing.net> <002601c15df3$9a1ca850$51cec22b@cambmaya04> In-Reply-To: <002601c15df3$9a1ca850$51cec22b@cambmaya04> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 216.166.195.90 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting Os : > Did they fix/improve the 'bump' issue? HEAR HEAR!!! I posted a precision-worded question to the electrix forum regarding this ... and i notice that at 7 days on ... no replies. The way I'm using the repeater now I have no problems with it whatsoever except this. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 26 05:36:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA06554; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 05:35:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 05:35:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003101c15d9d$02a06800$9cf638cb@n> From: "Steven" To: References: <43.b68d01.290a7856@aol.com> Subject: Re: back lubing echo Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 07:35:45 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello I used the Maestro Echoplex solid state EP 3 models and I always bought what they call back lubed tape - it looks like some sort of graphite coloured lubricant on the back of the tape and the munching days are all gone. Pity the noise, nightmares cutting/splicing tape, no parts or service wasnt as easy to get rid of,as well as patching up the crappy box they came in. I bought it from an importer actually the Eventide importer in Sydney Australia. http://www.syntec.com.au/frameset.html perhaps there is a local tape supplier near you? I think you deserve a medal for using a tape echo these days, I dont know if you use one and have 2 spares? I would like a reissue Echoplex but at about $1000+ US noone will buy one in Australia and I dont even know if there is a dealer here. We occasionally see those old Roland RE 201, RE 301, 501 and that big ugly 555 rack thing at the most disgusting outragous ripoff prices. Actually I went to the music shop when I first read about the Oberheim Echoplex still horrified someone actually called a digital box an Echoplex and nobody was excited about it, so I have never ever seen one in Australia. Regards to everyone Steven ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 6:27 PM Subject: Re: back lubing echo > > I have been having a binding problem with the loops on my Roland RE-201. > > I make up my own loops using 6xx Quantegy Mastering .25" tape, > > everything was fine until recently. I use 3 of these type delays and > > this one has an intermittent binding thing where it just stops, can't > > tell what causes it. > > How old is the tape? > Some tapes degrade and get "sticky". > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 26 11:06:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21182; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:58:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:58:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011026145802.41239.qmail@web12002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 07:58:02 -0700 (PDT) From: philip raath Subject: re: sp-808 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200110251835.OAA24144@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <_8X_zD.A.vKF.HoX27@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com it's fantastic. editing is simple, and the editing switches (start/end) are very sensitive and accurate. the light controller is fun, and i believe can be assigned to multiple fx. take care, phil ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 26 12:11:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25816; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 12:10:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 12:10:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 09:05:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: dancing and stig Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com steuart, my wife got a postcard in the mail for a dance concert on nov. 17 in san pedro, and i noticed your name on it. are you performing live with the auricle ensemble? if so, very cool. we will probably be there anyway since my wife is a friend of belinda's and a choreographer to boot. hopefully i will see you there and maybe we can say hello? will the "L" on the forehead be a good enough hand signal for you? any loopage happening in the set? best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 26 12:36:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26645; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 12:33:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 12:33:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004f01c15e55$2609eba0$b6d4d63f@oemcomputer> From: "Rich Kroll" To: References: <01af01c152b3$b04acbc0$d0cad63f@oemcomputer> <006b01c157f2$aef0bfc0$42d0d63f@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Boomerang + phrase sampler NEW $375.00 Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 12:33:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004C_01C15E1A.76117220" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rich Kroll" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C15E1A.76117220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rich Kroll=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:33 AM Subject: Re: Boomerang + phrase sampler NEW $375.00 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rich Kroll=20 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 5:20 PM Subject: Boomerang + phrase sampler NEW $375.00 Brand New boomerang + phrase sampler 4 meg version. dealer full waranty, Manual power supply. 15.00 shipping pay pal accepted. =20 Best looper available easy to use. 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----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rich = Kroll=20
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Sent: Thursday, October 18, = 2001 9:33=20 AM
Subject: Re: Boomerang + phrase = sampler=20 NEW $375.00

 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rich = Kroll=20
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist= .com=20
Sent: Thursday, October 11, = 2001 5:20=20 PM
Subject: Boomerang + phrase = sampler NEW=20 $375.00

Brand New boomerang + phrase = sampler 4 meg=20 version.
dealer full waranty, Manual power=20 supply.
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------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C15E1A.76117220-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 26 12:44:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27262; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 12:43:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 12:43:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074282@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "Looper's Delight (E-mail)" Subject: RE: re derek bailey in l.a. Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 12:41:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C15E3D.0519D6C0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C15E3D.0519D6C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" interesting - - how could he be too sick to fly to l.a., but be in chicago for the same time period/tour? the cancellation had been advertised some 7 days or more ago . . . hmmm. stig -----Original Message----- From: Eric Leonardson [mailto:eleon@ripco.com] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 1:19 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Liebig, Steuart A. Subject: re derek bailey in l.a. Hi Steuart, This is the first I've heard of this....the cancellation I mean. That's too bad... Derek's gig with Casy Rice here in Chicago this weekend received a big write-up in the Music Section of the Chicago Reader: http://www.chireader.com/hitsville/011026.html Whatever the illness, I hope Mr. Bailey will be fine soon. Best regards, Eric -- Eric Leonardson: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon Upcoming Performances: November 1, with Tatsuya Nakatani at splinter group Audio Studio, 450 N. Leavitt, Chicago. More info at http://www.zeggz.com/tat/ December 7-9 and 13-16, Plasticene's Volume XII at the Viaduct, Chicago ------_=_NextPart_001_01C15E3D.0519D6C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
interesting - - how could he be too sick to fly to l.a., but be in chicago for the same time period/tour? the cancellation had been advertised some 7 days or more ago . . .
 
hmmm.
 
stig
-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Leonardson [mailto:eleon@ripco.com]
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 1:19 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Cc: Liebig, Steuart A.
Subject: re derek bailey in l.a.

Hi Steuart,

This is the first I've heard of this....the cancellation I mean. That's too bad...

Derek's gig with Casy Rice here in Chicago this weekend received a big write-up in the
Music Section of the Chicago Reader: http://www.chireader.com/hitsville/011026.html

Whatever the illness, I hope Mr. Bailey will be fine soon.

Best regards,
Eric

-- Eric Leonardson: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon

Upcoming Performances:

November 1, with Tatsuya Nakatani at splinter group Audio Studio, 450
N. Leavitt, Chicago. More info at http://www.zeggz.com/tat/

December 7-9 and 13-16, Plasticene's Volume XII at the Viaduct, Chicago

------_=_NextPart_001_01C15E3D.0519D6C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 26 13:02:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29223; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:01:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:01:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074284@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: dancing and stig Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 12:59:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C15E3F.9DCE0600" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C15E3F.9DCE0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" my wife got a postcard in the mail for a dance concert on nov. 17 in san pedro, and i noticed your name on it. ** yep . . . are you performing live with the auricle ensemble? ** yeah. this is a band i have called minim. it's flutes (inc. alto/pic), electric violins (4/5-string), percussion (drumset/vibes), 6-string basses (fretted/fretless). we're doing two pieces of mine. one is basically 23 small miniatures (takes about 55 minutes) and the other is a smaller piece i did for belinda (about 11 minutes i think). a lot of improv intwined with the written on our end, she's choreographing using improv too. the flautist and percussionist are also doing small pieces with belinda that eve. hope it all works. if so, very cool. we will probably be there anyway since my wife is a friend of belinda's and a choreographer to boot. ** cool. did you go to one of these about 9-10 months ago at angel's gate? i'm starting to think that we met there at another of belinda's gigs (she did some stuff to some recorded pieces of another band of mine, my 5-year-old daughter was with me) - - did your wife dance at one about then? hopefully i will see you there and maybe we can say hello? will the "L" on the forehead be a good enough hand signal for you? ** i won't recognize the "l" - - best o just say hi. any loopage happening in the set? ** nope. no loopage in this stuff. i don't use effects with this band. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C15E3F.9DCE0600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: dancing and stig

my wife got a postcard in the mail for a dance = concert on nov. 17 in
san pedro, and i noticed your name on it.

** yep . . .

are you performing live with the auricle = ensemble? 

** yeah. this is a band i have called minim. it's = flutes (inc. alto/pic), electric violins (4/5-string), percussion = (drumset/vibes), 6-string basses (fretted/fretless). we're doing two = pieces of mine. one is basically 23 small miniatures (takes about 55 = minutes) and the other is a smaller piece i did for belinda (about 11 = minutes i think).  a lot of improv intwined with the written on = our end, she's choreographing using improv too. the flautist and = percussionist are also doing small pieces with belinda that eve. hope = it all works.


if so, very cool.
we will probably be there anyway since my wife is a = friend of
belinda's and a choreographer to boot.

** cool. did you go to one of these about 9-10 months = ago at angel's gate? i'm starting to think that we met there at another = of belinda's gigs (she did some stuff to some recorded pieces of = another band of mine, my 5-year-old daughter was with me) - - did your = wife dance at one about then?

hopefully i will see you there and maybe we can say = hello?  will the
"L" on the forehead be a good enough hand = signal for you?

** i won't recognize the "l" - - best o = just say hi.

any loopage happening in the set?

** nope. no loopage in this stuff. i don't use = effects with this band.

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C15E3F.9DCE0600-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 26 13:21:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29900; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:18:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:18:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074287@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Golia/Fields/Makihara Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:16:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C15E41.E5617860" Resent-Message-ID: <55btO.A.uSH.wqZ27@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C15E41.E5617860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" great info from the philly contingent. (now if they can only explain the derek coleman trade to me.) sl ------_=_NextPart_001_01C15E41.E5617860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: Golia/Fields/Makihara

great info from the philly contingent.

(now if they can only explain the derek coleman trade to me.)

sl

------_=_NextPart_001_01C15E41.E5617860-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 26 13:29:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30352; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:27:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:27:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074284@mitorexch01.maritz.com> References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074284@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:23:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: RE: dancing and stig Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >** cool. did you go to one of these about 9-10 months ago at angel's >gate? i'm starting to think that we met there at another of >belinda's gigs (she did some stuff to some recorded pieces of >another band of mine, my 5-year-old daughter was with me) - - did >your wife dance at one about then? nah, i doubt it. i haven't been to angels gate since....whew...'90 maybe? my wife doesn't dance anymore...she's the choreographer for mandala danceworks. not sure how her and belinda know each other, but i know the so cal dance world is an incestuous bunch, where everybody knows everybody...somehow. had a strange thought whilst driving to work this morning, with memories of san pedro in my head (i lived in long beach 87-94). i wondered what list of "the 6 degrees of mike watt" might look like... anyway, we'll probably see you there! rich > >hopefully i will see you there and maybe we can say hello? will the >"L" on the forehead be a good enough hand signal for you? > >** i won't recognize the "l" - - best o just say hi. > >any loopage happening in the set? > >** nope. no loopage in this stuff. i don't use effects with this band. > >stig From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 26 13:46:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31025; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:44:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:44:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [128.122.2.2] From: "Terry Lewis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Hello my name is Kid Lucky I am new to Loopers Delight Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:43:08 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2001 17:43:09.0009 (UTC) FILETIME=[ACED9410:01C15E45] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

Hi my name is Kid Lucky I am a vocalist and I do a lot of a cappella. I have worked with Tom Ritchford on Volectrix which was all voice hooked up to loopers and other electronic effects. Tom opened me up although I had sed electronics on my vocals before to a new way of using electronica in acappella.  we had a falling out for a while bt we still talk and we plan to get together soon for a volectrix reunion. but he introdced me to soma amazing cats like David Linton and Christina Wheeler and all of Unity Gain. After that I changed my style of play and began buying some gear. First I purchased a line sixx delay modulator and then a digitech 2000 and a mixer. With a new viion I have started pushing a cappella into a new era of electronica. Michael Winslow is another a cappella artist that has pushed it as well - voice and electronics.  I love the Line six, but I love the head rush better (Tom Can I buy yours?) Anyway I have a show coming up that my crew The Young Vant Garde is hosting at the Nuyoricans Poet cafe. The info is after this little introduction.  I hope anyone in The New York area on this list will come by and check it out. I am new to this list but love the discussions already. I look forward to hearing others play. I also would like to hook up with other loopers and and link up for performances and recordings. Also any vocalists out there who wold like to hook up please e-mail me anytime at kid_lucky@hotmail.com  Peace,

Kid Lucky

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Sunday, November 4

The Young Vant Garde proudly present:

Underground Hip-Hop Experiments

featuring
Kid Lucky's Urban A cappella (trip hop, drum and bass, hip hop, spoken noise )

Kid Lucky leads this all vocal ensmble that utilizes heavily layered vocal bass and vocal sound effects with hard hitting vocal percussion. Laced with hard edgy lyrics/vocals from BET's 4 time battle mc champion Mahogany Jones and Ricanstruction's voice of freedom, Not4prophet and the amazing spoken word artists Paul Skiff and Yamini Nayar this a show not to be missed.
KID LUCKY - beat box / vocals/spoken word
MAHOGANY JONES - MC/beatboxing Not4prophet - lyrics Paul Skiff - spoken word Yamini Nayar - spoken word

Other acts include Brother Earl - "Sophisticated Mondays" poetry slam winner

And Melted - live electronic drum&bass meets hip hop.

Show time begins at 8:00pm sharp 7:30 doors open

And

Open mic from 10:30pm - 12:00am


joints & jams spun by DJ Synapse

Hosted by percussionist/Music historian David Pleasant

Admission $10.00

the Nuyorican Poets Cafe
236 East Third Street
(between B & C Ave.)
New York, NY
212 505-8183

For more info please contact:

Reggie Mason

R.A.M. Inc.

Artists Management

917.898.1304

r.a.mason@excite.com




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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 26 17:21:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13850; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 17:20:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 17:20:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sashjo@ulster.net Message-Id: <200110262119.RAA13759@hemlock.violacea.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: For Sale: Custom Klein Guitar $2500 Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 21:19:43 GMT X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.20 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 10/26/01 Custom built Klein guitar for sale. Cherry Red Swamp Ash Body Hollowed Chamber 3 Barden Pickups Trans Trem Bugle Boy Case Amazing sounding instrument. A few very minor dings on body. Practically mint. Neck is in absolutely mint condition. Will have pics up on weekend. Thanks. E mail me if interested --------------------------------------------- This message was sent via the BiznessOnline.com webmail system. http://www.biznessonline.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 26 17:24:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14028; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 17:22:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 17:22:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <1.31951975822449.237.313505411148@1.00007122606936> X-Sender: X-Mailer: Ken's Useful eMail Suite v5.1 Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 17:21:17 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ken Subject: Kid Lucky on Ken'sLastEverRadioExtravaganza (was: Hello my name is Kid Lucky I am new to Loopers Delight) Cc: Terry Lewis In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com FYI, Kid Lucky's voice unwittingly participated in an improvised electronic 6-hour show of mine a little over a year ago, which happens to be available for online listening and downloading: Ken's Last Ever Radio Extravaganza "Insert Coin", 6/4/00, performed live at ABC No-Rio, NYC Segment incorporating live Kid Lucky material: "CD 2, #2: Even As We Speak" All "Insert Coin" downloads at: http://free-music.com/ken/extrav/audio/000604insertcoin.shtml Other Ken's Last Ever Radio Extravaganza downloads: (some are VERY loopy) http://free-music.com/ken/extrav/audio/ Info on other 250+ shows of Ken's Last Ever Radio Extravaganza: http://free-music.com/ken/extrav/ Please contact me with feedback. - Ken kenzo@free-music.com ken's last ever radio extravaganza http://free-music.com/ken/extrav/ At 01:43 PM 10/26/01 -0400, Terry Lewis wrote: >Hi my name is Kid Lucky I am a vocalist and I do a lot of a cappella. I have worked with >Tom Ritchford on Volectrix which was all voice hooked up to loopers and other electronic >effects. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 26 18:46:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18237; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 18:44:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 18:44:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 17:44:00 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: expert modified the A/D signal chain (OT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <009b01c15e6f$b4948e60$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com what kind of capacitor should you use in the audio path, then? > andy said: > > >If you can buy it as a stand alone I assume that means its some kind of > >impedance matching interface. > > does not makes sense to me. > > >It also seems to be standard practice to eliminte all electrolytic capacitors > >from the audio signal path. > > Yes, my master Hogg tought me that in '74 and I made very few exeptions. > And no Tantalums either, because they fail. He told me then and I > really kept fixing gear by replacing a lot of Tantalums later... I > dont know how he new, they were just new then... :-) > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 26 19:06:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19937; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 19:00:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 19:00:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Scott Wilson" To: Subject: electric tuba... Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 19:01:17 -0400 Message-ID: <001a01c15e72$1f30d060$660bc90a@dwfearn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just wanted to let those know who were interested, that WNYC's New Sounds played Tom Heasley's Ground Zero last night... Not sure if Tom keeps up with airplay, but it's always nice to get - and hear about. p.s. anyone in the NYC area should listen to the show - it's great, and be sure to join. they lost their antenna and transmitter in the wtc attack. -Scott From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 26 19:21:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20634; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 19:20:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 19:20:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 16:16:44 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: re derek bailey in l.a. In-reply-to: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074282@mitorexch01.maritz.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1207984112==_ma============" References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074282@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1207984112==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 3:19 AM -0500 10/26/01, Eric Leonardson wrote: >Derek's gig with Casy Rice here in Chicago this weekend received a >big write-up in the Music Section of the Chicago Reader: >http://www.chireader.com/hitsville/011026.html At 12:41 PM -0400 10/26/01, Liebig, Steuart A. wrote: >interesting - - how could he be too sick to fly to l.a., but be >in chicago for the same time period/tour? the cancellation had been >advertised some 7 days or more ago . . . The writeup is mostly about video artist Casey Rice. It starts with a mention of a gig he did last spring with Derek Bailey and it ends with a mention of the upcomeing November 1st gig, now cancelled. Bailey was also supposed to do a gig with George Lewis in San Diego last Saturday night. San Diego's loss turned out to be my gain - I got to have dinner with George in Newport Beach that night. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz --============_-1207984112==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" RE: re derek bailey in l.a.
At 3:19 AM -0500 10/26/01, Eric Leonardson wrote:
Derek's gig with Casy Rice here in Chicago this weekend received a big write-up in the Music Section of the Chicago Reader: http://www.chireader.com/hitsville/011026.html


At 12:41 PM -0400 10/26/01, Liebig, Steuart A. wrote:
interesting - - how could he be too sick to fly to l.a., but be in chicago for the same time period/tour? the cancellation had been advertised some 7 days or more ago . . .

The writeup is mostly about video artist Casey Rice. It starts with a mention of a gig he did last spring with Derek Bailey and it ends with a mention of the upcomeing November 1st gig, now cancelled.

Bailey was also supposed to do a gig with George Lewis in San Diego last Saturday night. San Diego's loss turned out to be my gain - I got to have dinner with George in Newport Beach that night.
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--============_-1207984112==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 26 19:44:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21433; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 19:43:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 19:43:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001f01c15e78$9bb4fa20$d954e540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <001a01c15e72$1f30d060$660bc90a@dwfearn> Subject: Re: electric tuba... Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 19:47:44 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Just wanted to let those know who were interested, that WNYC's > New Sounds played Tom Heasley's Ground Zero last night... Not sure > if Tom keeps up with airplay, but it's always nice to get - and > hear about. > > p.s. anyone in the NYC area should listen to the show - it's great, > and be sure to join. they lost their antenna and transmitter in the > wtc attack. For those outside the NYC area - sound:escape on internet station 1groove.com played Tom's "Western Sky" this week. The show will be available to play till Sunday night. http://1groove.com/show.php?s=soundescape&p=playlist Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.mp3.com/dreamSTATE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 26 20:11:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23882; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 20:10:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 20:10:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <7f.1c4694a4.290b5487@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 20:06:31 EDT Subject: NJ Sat Gig To: STICKWIRE-L@home.ease.lsoft.com, taptalk@yahoogroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll be doing a solo opening set (~1hr.) for Three Hour Detour, tomorrow night (Saturday October 27) at "Failte Coffee House" 37 West Broad Street (rt. 518) Hopewell, NJ. The line up will be as follows: *Paul Mimlitsch (Chapman Stick SB8/ guitar/ loops/textures) <> *Three Hour Detour "unplugged" (quasi acoustic) - Ray Ashley (Warr guitar) Helene Zisook (electric violin) <> *Unsound - Jim Speer (NS Stick), Mike Ciul (electronics) <> If the Halowe'en spirit moves you, Wear a costume. Best costume will win a prize. All ages, smoke free, great coffee and food, no cover charge (donate to the tip jar). need directions? Look no further: Failte Coffee House: Is at 37 Broad Street (Rt. 518) , Hopewell NJ, right across the street from the cemetary in the middle of town. It is a big white house with a big glass window in front. To get there from I-95 and/or I-295 get off at exit 7B, which is just north of Trenton, and near the place where 95 becomes 295. Take Rt. 206 North, through Lawrenceville, and make a left turn onto Rt. 569, (Carter Rd). This is clearly marked, and there is a sign that says "Hopewell". Take this road until it ends, in downtown Hopewell. Make a left onto 518, go through one traffic light, and park your car on the street. The Failte is on your left, right across from the cemetary. If you are coming from Princeton, you can leave Princeton on Rt. 206 N (different part of Rt. 206) and make the left turn at Rt. 518, go 7 miles into Hopewell, and use directions as listed above. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 26 21:43:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28045; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 21:41:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 21:41:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 21:40:30 -0400 Subject: Pressing undo triggers record. Help, anybody... EDP From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20011026145802.41239.qmail@web12002.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok, I feel a little dumb... What parameter do I have set wrong that I can't press undo without having it trigger record? Using loop 3 V.0 on an old EDP Thanks in advance, Todd Reynolds From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 26 21:45:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28245; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 21:44:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 21:44:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: eleon@pop.ripco.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 20:40:53 -0500 To: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Eric Leonardson Subject: Re: Golia/Fields/Makihara Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's the URL for Toshi's own web pages: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/tosmos/ Having performed and recorded a number of times with Toshi myself over the past couple years, I can attest to all the facts and share the sentiments, that John Price has expressed here. Toshi did some awesomely wild playing at the past High Zero festivals in Baltimore, 1999 and 2000. If anyone on the list is interested, High Zero has documentation on its website: http://www.highzero.org/ If you're into experimental improvised music Toshi is definitely worth seeing and hearing. And if you do, please tell him "hi" from me. Best regards, Eric At 9:42 PM -0400 10/25/01, AKASHMUSIC@aol.com wrote: >I know there are other Philly Musicians-loopers on LD who can chime in here >and offer up perhaps many better examples than me which attest to the >greatness of Toshi Makahara...but i gotta say in all sincerity that Toshi >Makahara is "all that" & lots more, > >Toshi Makahara is from Japan but a Philly Luminary-Treasure who has worked >with John Zorn, Jack Wright and Charles Cohen plus many, many others others ( >including wally shoup, bob rhainey (sp) ) in areas of free jazz and >improvised music for many years. > >Toshi is probably IMHO one of thee most amazing free - avant garde >percussionist-drummers i've ever seen play music. > >& i'll never forget him attaching somethin akin to a cannon ball on a >flexi-pole to his butt as he thumped out a rhythm and did a dance which I >have never in all my life ever witnessed. > >Toshi then proceeded to reuturn to playing a drum kit with somthing >resembling common kitchen utencils or opther devices which were unknown along >with having drums and objects i had never witnessed before or even considered >percussive objects. > >His sense of space, timing, texture, vitality and humor in addition to his >more than serious devotion to and commitment to free music is both clear, >enagaing, positive and a delight to watch and hear unfold in a live context. > >Toshi also has done some straight ahead jazz stuff too & has some key >releases out there too. > >but I also cant really find many web references to his stuff but i can >definitely tell you no matter what he is gonna do it will definitely be worth >anyones time and listening abilites as that Toshi's performances have always >been splendid and rewarding to me and everyone else in the audience. > >So Go See Toshi and see for yourself. > >But KNOW You are in for a treat! > >Warm Regards, >John Price/AKASH >GET THE NEW AKASH CD "THE GIFT OF PUNISHMENT" >"Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" >www.akashmusic.com --------------------- Eric Leonardson: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon Upcoming Performances & Broadcasts: November 1, with Tatsuya Nakatani at splinter group Audio Studio, 450 N. Leavitt, Chicago. More info at http://www.zeggz.com/tat/ December 7-9 and 13-16, Plasticene's Volume XII at the Viaduct, Chicago. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 26 23:21:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01368; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 23:20:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 23:20:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: giuseppe_poteet@worldnet.att.net User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 20:13:10 -0700 Subject: Re: Golia/Fields/Makihara To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for all the info from everybody. Now that I know a little something about the players, I'm really looking forward to the show. Tom on 10/26/01 6:40 PM, Eric Leonardson at eleon@ripco.com wrote: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 27 04:47:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA15335; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 04:45:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 04:45:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: OT: Korg Electribe S- Odd Time sigs? Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 01:45:37 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <_-rd_D.A.dvD.pQn27@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone here know if this will do odd time sigs? I'm looking for a sample based rhythm machine that does- Thanks- Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 27 07:55:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA22823; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 07:53:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 07:53:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 09:54:40 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re:Best effects processor. (Sync) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This one did not return to me, neither appear in the archive, so I post it again: > > hmm, I may be boring by now... but be carefull about the word Sync. >> It is taken for a continuous process of keeping two rhythms together, >> while Eclipse probably just takes over the speed once and then runs >> free (so rhythms slowly fall apart), right? >> Or what means "absolutely synced"? >> >> You can only sync repeating events, two clocks, not a time... > > I may be wrong here. > >NO! Matthias, Eclipse continuously updates to midi clock sync fed from >external units! I am usin my Repeater sending clock to it and while I >cange Repeater BPM value, I see tha same value changing on Eclipse >display! So all delays and lfo values are always in sync! > best regards >Italo No, thats not what synchronization means. A possible test for sync: Copy a loop that runs on the Repeater to the Eclipse and then leave them both running over night and listen in the morning whether the two sounds still coincide! To keep the same speed is intersting, to stay in phase is much more difficult. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 27 08:23:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA24662; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 08:22:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 08:22:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BDAC069.107BC46C@vtx.ch> Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 14:10:49 +0000 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Best effects processor. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "italoop@libero.it" wrote: > > Alex > sure it can! Eclipse lfos rates , delay, looping and reverb time can > be absolutely synced to TAP TEMPO and MIDI CLOCK. You also get rhythm > subdivisions to get all synced rates and times in polyrhythmical ratios > to the beat; these are the values: 5,4,3,2 bars,dot whole, whole, > 15/16, 13/16, dot1/2, 11/16, whole trip, 10/16, 9/16, 1/2, 7/16, > dot1/4, 1/2 trip, 5/16, 1/4, dot 1/8, 1/4 trip, 1/8, dot c, 1/8trip, > 1/16, dot 1/32, 1/16 trip, 1/32, dot 1/64, 1/32 trip, 1/64. > Is that polyrhythms or what? The smart man who worked on the > subdivisions has been a Fripp student for a while. He is a brilliant > Stick player....there we go! > best > Italoop > but can he add some of those values what I never saw is a fx that can set a delay time or lfo cycle to x * 1/16,1/8,1/4,1/2,1 etc... the calculator is still required claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 27 08:35:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA25147; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 08:34:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 08:34:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003401c15efe$360e5e60$7f709818@default> From: "Daniel" To: Subject: math children Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 09:44:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0031_01C15ECB.EB200200" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C15ECB.EB200200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable what's the equation you need to do to calculate delay time? much obliged ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C15ECB.EB200200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
what's the equation you need to do to calculate = delay=20 time?
 
much obliged
------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C15ECB.EB200200-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 27 08:37:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA25374; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 08:36:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 08:36:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <84.1d818c59.290c044c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 08:36:28 EDT Subject: Re: expert modified the A/D signal chain (OT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > what kind of capacitor should you use in the audio path, then? > polypropylene, less effect on audio (more expensive of course) Not just a matter of replacing caps, I think they like to redesign the circuitry so it doesn't need large value caps. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 27 09:49:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA28402; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 09:47:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 09:47:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 14:46:44 +0100 Subject: Cracking Loop heavy gig in London (very short review) From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just a quick note to say if you get the chance to see Aziz play, jump at it - he used to be in the Stone Roses, and has also played with Simply Red, Asia, Ian Brown and a host of other people, and is currently gigging with the Smiths rhythm section - Andy Rourke and Mike Joyce. His guitar set up is huge, and included two DL4s, a JamMan, a VG-8 and a VG-88 ,and he's using one of those Digitech vocalist things which sounded fantastic, much to my surprise. His playing has the prerequisite Hendrix elements, with a fair slice of Frank Dunnery an even Steve Hillage thrown in, and a fair amount of Indian/Middle Eastern stuff in there to make it interesting. Cracking songs and not a bad voice either, and loops flying in all over the place, often pitch shifted or backwards. What's more his sound with his VG-88 Godin guitar is fantastic. Nice to hear that those Smiths chaps are sounding as good as ever as well... cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 27 12:33:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03813; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 12:31:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 12:31:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 12:16:01 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: OT: Korg Electribe S- Odd Time sigs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Anyone here know if this will do odd time sigs? I'm looking for a sample >based rhythm machine that does- Thanks- Cliff Well, I don't have that but I have the other two Electribe units and they do 3 and 4 and that's it. The Korg site is useless but doesn't promise anything more than that. In general, few if any of these rhythm machines do anything other than 3 and 4. Very disappointing in my book! /t http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 27 12:42:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04177; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 12:40:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 12:40:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003401c15efe$360e5e60$7f709818@default> References: <003401c15efe$360e5e60$7f709818@default> Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 12:39:22 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: math children Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >what's the equation you need to do to calculate delay time? do you mean, delay time from beats per minute? 1 bpm = 60 seconds / beat. so (informally) delay time = 60 / bpm ie 120 bpm -> 0.5 seconds delay /t http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 27 13:09:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06181; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 13:06:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 13:06:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 13:05:47 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Hello my name is Kid Lucky I am new to Loopers Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kid Lucky wrote: >Hi my name is Kid Lucky I am a vocalist and I do a lot of a >cappella. I have worked with Tom Ritchford on Volectrix which was >all voice hooked up to loopers and other electronic effects. Tom >opened me up although I had sed electronics on my vocals before to a >new way of using electronica in acappella. we had a falling out for >a while bt we still talk and we plan to get together soon for a >volectrix reunion. but he introdced me to soma amazing cats like >David Linton and Christina Wheeler and all of Unity Gain. After that >I changed my style of play and began buying some gear. First I >purchased a line sixx delay modulator and then a digitech 2000 and a >mixer. With a new viion I have started pushing a cappella into a new >era of electronica. Michael Winslow is another a cappella artist >that has pushed it as well - voice and electronics. I love the Line >six, but I love the head rush better (Tom Can I buy yours?) Anyway I >have a s! how coming up that my crew The Young Vant Garde is hosting >at the Nuyoricans Poet cafe. The info is after this little >introduction. I hope anyone in The New York area on this list will >come by and check it out. I am new to this list but love the >discussions already. I look forward to hearing others play. I also >would like to hook up with other loopers and and link up for >performances and recordings. Also any vocalists out there who wold >like to hook up please e-mail me anytime at >kid_lucky@hotmail.com Peace, I ain't sure about selling the headrush, let's see how this Repeater goes first! To add a little more information, here's the Volelctrix CD http://volectrix.com/cd/alfa_omego/high -- high quality http://volectrix.com/cd/alfa_omego/low -- lower quality The NYC looper's show might also be the Volectrix re-union!?! I'll be sending an update to that later this afternoon. /t http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 27 15:59:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13632; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 15:58:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 15:58:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 15:58:00 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Jam Man Repairs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <77U7rC.A.tUD.7Gx27@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, My JamMan is stubbornly refusing to go into Echo mode. Does Lexicon still repair these, and, if not, who does? -- "Trouble ahead, trouble behind, and you know that notion just crossed my mind" -- Robert Hunter Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 27 15:59:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13633; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 15:58:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 15:58:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [199.179.162.135] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Best effects processor - I have one, do you want to buy it ? Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 14:57:02 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Oct 2001 19:57:03.0412 (UTC) FILETIME=[8C37EF40:01C15F21] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use the ART Multiverb III with it's 2 second sampler, and 99 effects (ok, it's really ole skool, I have had the thing for 10 years now, and I still use it from time to time). It has midi, and the sampler works well with an external controller. This thing came out before the Lexicon Jam Man. Lucien E. Darthard A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It. Cell Vs Goku... Dragonball GT ? http://ldarthard.ohgo.com/ ----Original Message Follows---- From: Claude Voit Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Best effects processor. Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 14:10:49 +0000 "italoop@libero.it" wrote: > > Alex > sure it can! Eclipse lfos rates , delay, looping and reverb time can > be absolutely synced to TAP TEMPO and MIDI CLOCK. You also get rhythm > subdivisions to get all synced rates and times in polyrhythmical ratios > to the beat; these are the values: 5,4,3,2 bars,dot whole, whole, > 15/16, 13/16, dot1/2, 11/16, whole trip, 10/16, 9/16, 1/2, 7/16, > dot1/4, 1/2 trip, 5/16, 1/4, dot 1/8, 1/4 trip, 1/8, dot c, 1/8trip, > 1/16, dot 1/32, 1/16 trip, 1/32, dot 1/64, 1/32 trip, 1/64. > Is that polyrhythms or what? The smart man who worked on the > subdivisions has been a Fripp student for a while. He is a brilliant > Stick player....there we go! > best > Italoop > but can he add some of those values what I never saw is a fx that can set a delay time or lfo cycle to x * 1/16,1/8,1/4,1/2,1 etc... the calculator is still required claude _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 27 16:47:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17092; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 16:46:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 16:46:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.1.20011027163815.00a0c180@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: taghairm@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 16:43:43 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: p koniuto Subject: Re: Jam Man Repairs In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Doc: You asked: >My JamMan is stubbornly refusing to go into Echo mode. Does Lexicon still >repair these, and, if not, who does? Repair for the JamMan (and the Vortex) used to be a flat repair rate for $95 US. This is sadly no longer the case. Since they're now considered "Legacy" products (i.e. it's been more than five years since manufacturing of the JM and Vortex ceased), they are repaired on an estimate basis. It'll cost $75 US for them to do the estimate. If you choose to have the work done, they apply that $75 to the cost of the repair. I had my JamMan repaired (rotary encoders replaced, etc.). The estimate was somewhere around $140, but the repair ended up being closer to $115. I was having the same problem you are having. Turnaround time was around 3 weeks or so. peter koniuto From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 27 19:06:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30568; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 19:05:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 19:05:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011027230425.81288.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 16:04:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Martin Subject: FS: Boomerang To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, after much thought, manual downloading, and nail-biting, I've decided to take the plunge and buy a Repeater. This will, however, necessitate selling my faithful Boomerang in order to generate the necessary filthy lucre for such a purchase. Before I put it up on eBay, I thought I'd give first crack to the Loopers's Delight community. This is an original Boomerang (without the upgraded OS) with 4 MB of memory, including the original box and power supply and a manual printed from the Boomerang website. I purchased the unit about 16 months ago, and have since used it in practices with my band (including a weekend recording date and a couple of gigs) and in my home noodlings. I've babied it, though, so it's still in great shape. Asking $325. Contact me off-list at coirbidh_99@yahoo.com to arrange payment and shipping. Thanks, Scott ===== Scott Martin coirbidh_99@yahoo.com And if it's up to us to bring some balance back Let it not be said it's courage that we lack -Gaia Consort, "Cry Freedom" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 27 21:58:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05248; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 21:57:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 21:57:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 20:56:37 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Pressing undo triggers record. Help, anybody... EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <008001c15f53$c7bde600$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com this sounds like a short in the cable or footswitch jack. does jiggling the cable trigger record? if so, try switching the cable and checking out the jack on the fs. if not, it could be the undo switch that is shorting, but this seems unlikely... warning: i'm not an expert. (though i did build my own edp footswitch) hope that helps. > Ok, I feel a little dumb... > > What parameter do I have set wrong that I can't press undo without having > it trigger record? > > Using loop 3 V.0 on an old EDP > > > Thanks in advance, > > Todd Reynolds > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 27 22:03:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA06577; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 22:03:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 22:03:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 21:02:34 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Re:Best effects processor. (Sync) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <009701c15f54$9c710a30$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com repeater does this. i synched mine to my edp and left it running for hours. it continuously (repeatedly?) matches it's start point to midi clock... > > No, thats not what synchronization means. A possible test for sync: > Copy a loop that runs on the Repeater to the Eclipse and then leave > them both running over night and listen in the morning whether the > two sounds still coincide! > To keep the same speed is intersting, to stay in phase is much more difficult. > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 28 01:57:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA19795; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 01:50:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 01:50:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <009701c15f54$9c710a30$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <009701c15f54$9c710a30$080210ac@jpalmer> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 04:51:33 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Re:Best effects processor. (Sync) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >repeater does this. >i synched mine to my edp and left it running for hours. >it continuously (repeatedly?) matches it's start point to midi clock... thats right, JamMan, Repeater and EDP do this, now I wonder about Eclipse... > >> >> No, thats not what synchronization means. A possible test for sync: >> Copy a loop that runs on the Repeater to the Eclipse and then leave >> them both running over night and listen in the morning whether the >> two sounds still coincide! > > To keep the same speed is intersting, to stay in phase is much >more difficult. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 28 01:58:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA19850; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 01:52:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 01:52:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011028065143.7227.qmail@web12807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 23:51:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex Martinez Subject: Re: Eventide Eclipse (was: Best effects processor. (Sync)) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <009701c15f54$9c710a30$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > No, thats not what synchronization means. A > possible test for sync: > > Copy a loop that runs on the Repeater to the > Eclipse and then leave > > them both running over night and listen in the > morning whether the > > two sounds still coincide! > > To keep the same speed is intersting, to stay in > phase is much more difficult. > > -- > > > > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org Does the Eclipse do this (I can´t test it myself, nobody sells it where I live): You´re playing against a drum machine/sequencer/whatever and... 1) Let´s say you made a single loop like on the Jamman and maybe you assigned (if possible) to a midi message the recording start and stop, does the loop stay in sync with the drum machine?. 2) You made a patch with an LFO modulating the tremolo speed and you assigned it to match 32 cycles per beat, does the LFO speed stay in sync with the drum machine?. Best. Alex. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 28 03:08:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA24165; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 03:07:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 03:07:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: Re:Best effects processor. (Sync) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 01:06:36 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Say what?? I thought the EDP got clock at the beginning and that was it- you are sure it stays "actively" synced? And the ol JamMan too? Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 11:52 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re:Best effects processor. (Sync) >repeater does this. >i synched mine to my edp and left it running for hours. >it continuously (repeatedly?) matches it's start point to midi clock... thats right, JamMan, Repeater and EDP do this, now I wonder about Eclipse... > >> >> No, thats not what synchronization means. A possible test for sync: >> Copy a loop that runs on the Repeater to the Eclipse and then leave >> them both running over night and listen in the morning whether the >> two sounds still coincide! > > To keep the same speed is intersting, to stay in phase is much >more difficult. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 28 05:25:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA01164; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 05:24:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 05:24:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011028021703.0272a448@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 02:21:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Re:Best effects processor. (Sync) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The EDP definitely does active sync. We spent a lot of time on that, we are definitely sure. :-) I think the earliest versions of software had the more limited, "free running" style of sync. But certainly by LoopIIIv5.0 we had this, and that came out in '97. kim At 01:06 AM 10/28/2001, Om_Audio wrote: >Say what?? I thought the EDP got clock at the beginning and that was it- you >are sure it stays "actively" synced? And the ol JamMan too? > >Cliff > >-----Original Message----- >From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] >Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 11:52 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Re:Best effects processor. (Sync) > > > >repeater does this. > >i synched mine to my edp and left it running for hours. > >it continuously (repeatedly?) matches it's start point to midi clock... > >thats right, JamMan, Repeater and EDP do this, now I wonder about Eclipse... > > > > >> > >> No, thats not what synchronization means. A possible test for sync: > >> Copy a loop that runs on the Repeater to the Eclipse and then leave > >> them both running over night and listen in the morning whether the > >> two sounds still coincide! > > > To keep the same speed is intersting, to stay in phase is much > >more difficult. > >-- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 28 05:46:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA01942; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 05:45:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 05:45:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 12:44:43 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: Re: Best effects processor. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: "italoop@libero.it" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-XaM3-API-Version: 1.1.9.1.39.1.2 X-SenderIP: 212.171.129.50 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id FAA01911 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Claude please, can you make a more detailed example of what your question is about? Thank You Italo > "italoop@libero.it" wrote: > > > > Alex > > sure it can! Eclipse lfos rates , delay, looping and reverb time can > > be absolutely synced to TAP TEMPO and MIDI CLOCK. You also get rhythm > > subdivisions to get all synced rates and times in polyrhythmical ratios > > to the beat; these are the values: 5,4,3,2 bars,dot whole, whole, > > 15/16, 13/16, dot1/2, 11/16, whole trip, 10/16, 9/16, 1/2, 7/16, > > dot1/4, 1/2 trip, 5/16, 1/4, dot 1/8, 1/4 trip, 1/8, dot c, 1/8trip, > > 1/16, dot 1/32, 1/16 trip, 1/32, dot 1/64, 1/32 trip, 1/64. > > Is that polyrhythms or what? The smart man who worked on the > > subdivisions has been a Fripp student for a while. He is a brilliant > > Stick player....there we go! > > best > > Italoop > > > > but can he add some of those values > > what I never saw is a fx that can set a delay time or lfo cycle to x * > 1/16,1/8,1/4,1/2,1 etc... > > the calculator is still required > > claude > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 28 08:22:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA08917; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 08:21:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 08:21:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011028021703.0272a448@loopers-delight.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011028021703.0272a448@loopers-delight.com> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 11:22:16 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: Re:Best effects processor. (Sync) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >The EDP definitely does active sync. We spent a lot of time on that, >we are definitely sure. :-) I think the earliest versions of >software had the more limited, "free running" style of sync. nope, to be able to play with a partner was my main motivation to build the thing, so in '92 the LOOP delay had continuous BrotherSync, even before MIDI! Then in '93, it worked with MIDI clock, too. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 28 08:32:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA09318; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 08:31:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 08:31:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 15:30:46 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: Re: Eventide Eclipse (was: Best effects processor. (Sync)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: "italoop@libero.it" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-XaM3-API-Version: 1.1.9.1.39.1.2 X-SenderIP: 212.171.128.18 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id IAA09284 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias wrote: > > > No, thats not what synchronization means. A > > possible test for sync: > > > Copy a loop that runs on the Repeater to the > > Eclipse and then leave > > > them both running over night and listen in the > > morning whether the > > > two sounds still coincide! > > > To keep the same speed is intersting, to stay in > > phase is much more difficult. Matthias ECLIPSE looping algorithms are basically delay based loopers, NOT further data accessing algos or sampler based, like Jamman, Echoplex or mighty Repeater. They are closer to a pcm42. So even the best midiclock sendin unit has some slight shit in the value, meaning that the audio in the looping delay gets screwed up by this sync. You know about this issue, being it about a different algorithmic approach. Even tough ECLIPSE is not a looper in the JM,EDP, Repeater style, I still suggest its use as a looping device, seen what great things Torn, Fripp and Brook have done with similar technology and still do! 40 sec is not bad. Italo Alex wrote: > Does the Eclipse do this (I can´t test it myself, > nobody sells it where I live): > You´re playing against a drum > machine/sequencer/whatever and... > 1) Let´s say you made a single loop like on the Jamman > and maybe you assigned (if possible) to a midi message > the recording start and stop, does the loop stay in > sync with the drum machine?. Please, read my previous answer to Matthias. Thank you. > 2) You made a patch with an LFO modulating the tremolo > speed and you assigned it to match 32 cycles per beat, > does the LFO speed stay in sync with the drum > machine?. > Best. > Alex. Yes, Alex. Lfos will stay in dead sync with a drum machine sending midiclock to Eclipse! No doubt. Best regards Italo De Angelis __________________________________________________________________ EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps Subscribe: eventidehelps-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: eventidehelps-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com List owner: eventidehelps-owner@yahoogroups.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 28 08:38:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA09826; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 08:37:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 08:37:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 15:36:49 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: Re: Eventide Eclipse Ooooops MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: "italoop@libero.it" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-XaM3-API-Version: 1.1.9.1.39.1.2 X-SenderIP: 212.171.128.18 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id IAA09761 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Italo wrote > So even the best midiclock sendin unit has some slight shit in the > value SORRY !!! shit is wrong! Please read SHIFT. Thank You Italo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 28 12:06:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27457; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 12:05:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 12:05:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001f01c15fd3$10e4c1d0$0812fea9@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: Subject: OT: Eventide Eclipse Ooooops Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 12:07:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Italo wrote > > SORRY !!! shit is wrong! Please read SHIFT. Ooo! I changed my mind! I want THIS on the back of my LD t-shirts! 8^P Mike From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 28 13:55:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02933; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 13:29:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 13:29:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BDC682E.65715E00@vtx.ch> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 20:18:54 +0000 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Best effects processor. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7slDD.A.Rt.55E37@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "italoop@libero.it" wrote: > > Claude > please, can you make a more detailed example of what your question is > about? > Thank You > Italo delay times of 9 X 1/4, 17 X 1/16 something as simple as: give me a 3 1/8 delay time on the right and 9 1/8 on the left and 12 1/16 on the center all related to the clock its a very intuitive way to build up multitap delays sequences that go over the bar and there are delay ratios to the clock that cannot be obtained by the usual way (5,4,3,2 bars,dot whole, whole, etc....) Claude > > "italoop@libero.it" wrote: > > > > > > Alex > > > sure it can! Eclipse lfos rates , delay, looping and reverb time > can > > > be absolutely synced to TAP TEMPO and MIDI CLOCK. You also get > rhythm > > > subdivisions to get all synced rates and times in polyrhythmical > ratios > > > to the beat; these are the values: 5,4,3,2 bars,dot whole, whole, > > > 15/16, 13/16, dot1/2, 11/16, whole trip, 10/16, 9/16, 1/2, 7/16, > > > dot1/4, 1/2 trip, 5/16, 1/4, dot 1/8, 1/4 trip, 1/8, dot c, 1/8trip, > > > 1/16, dot 1/32, 1/16 trip, 1/32, dot 1/64, 1/32 trip, 1/64. > > > Is that polyrhythms or what? The smart man who worked on the > > > subdivisions has been a Fripp student for a while. He is a brilliant > > > Stick player....there we go! > > > best > > > Italoop > > > > > > > but can he add some of those values > > > > what I never saw is a fx that can set a delay time or lfo cycle to x * > > 1/16,1/8,1/4,1/2,1 etc... > > > > the calculator is still required > > > > claude > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 28 14:16:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05866; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 14:14:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 14:14:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 11:14:01 -0800 Subject: Re: expert modified the A/D signal chain (OT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <84.1d818c59.290c044c@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A Flux capacitor is best, but be careful. (sorry, I couldn't help it) Mark On Saturday, October 27, 2001, at 05:36 AM, SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: >> what kind of capacitor should you use in the audio path, then? >> > > polypropylene, less effect on audio (more expensive of course) > > Not just a matter of replacing caps, I think they like to redesign the > circuitry so it doesn't need large value caps. > > andy butler > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 28 14:18:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06064; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 14:17:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 14:17:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 11:17:20 -0800 Subject: Re: math children Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-219636482 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003401c15efe$360e5e60$7f709818@default> Message-Id: <686A220A-CBD8-11D5-8F0D-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1-219636482 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Heh, I've log forgotten, but I find the shareware program DDT Calc for=20= the Mac OS to be very useful for such calculations. It's also the only=20= program I've found that could bring down OSX Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, October 27, 2001, at 08:44 AM, Daniel wrote: > what's the equation you need to do to calculate delay time? > =A0 > much obliged --Apple-Mail-1-219636482 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Heh, I've log forgotten, but I find the shareware program DDT Calc for the Mac OS to be very useful for such calculations. It's also the only program I've found that could bring down OSX Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, October 27, 2001, at 08:44 AM, Daniel wrote: what's the equation you need to do to calculate delay time? =A0 much obliged = --Apple-Mail-1-219636482-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 28 14:20:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06202; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 14:19:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 14:19:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 11:18:55 -0800 Subject: Re: OT: Korg Electribe S- Odd Time sigs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Probably the Roland 505. I know the MC-307 will do anything, but it's not sample based. Mark On Saturday, October 27, 2001, at 09:16 AM, Tom Ritchford wrote: >> Anyone here know if this will do odd time sigs? I'm looking for a >> sample >> based rhythm machine that does- Thanks- Cliff > > Well, I don't have that but I have the other two Electribe units > and they do 3 and 4 and that's it. > > The Korg site is useless but doesn't promise anything more > than that. > > In general, few if any of these rhythm machines do anything other > than 3 and 4. Very disappointing in my book! > > /t > > > http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. > http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. > http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 28 14:31:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06670; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 14:30:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 14:30:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 11:29:35 -0800 Subject: EDP Synch out to Repeater all crazy!? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011028021703.0272a448@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: <1E6A547E-CBDA-11D5-8F0D-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, Jon Wagner and I played a little college party last night, and we had some trouble with Synch from his Echoplex. He's got a Repeater as well, and both of our units started acting really strange after a while. The tempo seemed to be shifting as much as 10 BPM in any direction. Sometimes while I tried to record, my Repeater would exclaim, "TEMPOFAST" and wouldn't let me. I've been a beta tester for the Repeater, and have stopped having synch issues after the first bug fix I received from Electrix. It seems to stay synched to my drummachine with no problems at all. Any idea what could have caused this? Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 28 16:33:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29579; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 16:32:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 16:32:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: OT: Korg Electribe S- Odd Time sigs? Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 13:31:15 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <9HtGaB.A.3NH.8kH37@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I went to GC and did some research- the MPC-200o of course- but also the Yamaha RS-7000 and the Yamaha RM1x both do odd signatures as well- the RS-7000 is like $1,300 and the RM1x is like $650- so I bought a Korg ES-1 off Ebay for $250 anyway! :) The good thing is that in pondering all this I realized I can use my shitty DR-5 as a midi sequencer and use NI Battery for all the sounds! It doesen't really help me for live performance- but a good thing anyway- so I may look further into the Yamaha units in the future- Thanks for the help loopers- Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 11:19 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Korg Electribe S- Odd Time sigs? Probably the Roland 505. I know the MC-307 will do anything, but it's not sample based. Mark On Saturday, October 27, 2001, at 09:16 AM, Tom Ritchford wrote: >> Anyone here know if this will do odd time sigs? I'm looking for a >> sample >> based rhythm machine that does- Thanks- Cliff > > Well, I don't have that but I have the other two Electribe units > and they do 3 and 4 and that's it. > > The Korg site is useless but doesn't promise anything more > than that. > > In general, few if any of these rhythm machines do anything other > than 3 and 4. Very disappointing in my book! > > /t > > > http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. > http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. > http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 28 17:46:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00647; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 17:44:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 17:44:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: Repeater & EDP: Ideas for synergy Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 14:37:30 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Would love to hear how people would use both of these together. They are both so rich in features, and have an interesting overlap and mutually exclusive features too. I haven't had a chance (or desire) to work with both of mine together, and honestly, I was contemplating selling my EDP as the Repeater does so much of what I've used the EDP for, now that the new OS is out. But I love the EDP, its served me well, but I don't want too much complexity. And honestly the Repeater wins, for my purposes, if its one or the other. On the other side of the coin, now that the midi sync is working tight in the Repeater, there are some real cool possibilities running both of these together. Before I play with both together, I would like to have some kind of roadmap for what I want to do and how to do it, esp vis a vis what is master and what is slave. All this over-analyis is because of my limited time for music I'm wanting to practice and create, rather than be messing with settings, etc. So I would love to hear from some of you advanced users, even if you don't have both units, what kind of things you could/would do. Trade secrets are esp welcome :-) Neil Goldstein Portland, Oregon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 28 20:20:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09778; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 20:19:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 20:19:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [199.179.162.122] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: ldarthard@ameritech.net Subject: How Can I Do This (And What Do I Need) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 19:18:15 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Oct 2001 01:18:19.0535 (UTC) FILETIME=[9818A1F0:01C16017] Resent-Message-ID: <5nh0nC.A.jYC.H6K37@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok, I have been in the mix game for some years, and there are still aspects of it, that I have not mastered. There's an effect, I am trying to duplicate (on my PC, using Sound Forge 5.0, (and all it's Plugins), ACID 3.0, and Cool Edit Pro and FruityLoops 3.3) The effect I am trying to create (it exists), is a multi tap delay, that builds to a cresendo). Sort of like if I said "Hello", (at 120 BPM), the effect would be "H-H-H-Hello", but in tempo, and starting at; say -6 decibles, then going to +20. I have heard this effect in several songs (none come to mind now), but I know it exists ! I am not insane, or am I. Leo Cavallo used something similar in "Stuttering Stravinsky". I have a lot of Direct X Plugins, so I am sure one of them can produce this effect. I just know what it is called.... PLEASE HALP !!!!! Lucien E. Darthard A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It. Cell Phone http://ldarthard.ohgo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 28 20:24:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10031; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 20:23:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 20:23:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 20:22:16 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: How Can I Do This (And What Do I Need) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Ok, I have been in the mix game for some years, and there are still >aspects of it, that I have not mastered. >There's an effect, I am trying to duplicate (on my PC, using Sound >Forge 5.0, (and all it's Plugins), ACID 3.0, and Cool Edit Pro and >FruityLoops 3.3) >The effect I am trying to create (it exists), is a multi tap delay, >that builds to a cresendo). Sort of like if I said "Hello", (at 120 >BPM), the effect would be "H-H-H-Hello", but in tempo, and starting >at; say -6 decibles, then going to +20. So, what's wrong with a multi-tap delay? There are all sorts of VST multi-tap delays, you just set the delays and levels and go crazy. I'm sure some of them are beat-driven. /t http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 28 20:34:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10385; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 20:32:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 20:32:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 20:31:31 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: How Can I Do This (And What Do I Need) Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:22 PM -0500 10/28/01, Tom Ritchford wrote: >So, what's wrong with a multi-tap delay? > >There are all sorts of VST multi-tap delays, If you were a Mac guy, you'd be able get the insanely great Pluggo package http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo.html which has a perfectly good multi-tap delay. There are others for the Mac too so it leads me to believe that there must be dozens of free or cheap multi-tap delay plug-ins for Windows. /t http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 28 20:47:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10776; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 20:46:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 20:46:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <686A220A-CBD8-11D5-8F0D-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> References: <686A220A-CBD8-11D5-8F0D-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 23:46:34 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: math children Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Re: math children
Heh, I've log forgotten, but I find the shareware program DDT Calc for the Mac OS to be very useful for such calculations.  It's also the only program I've found that could bring down OSX


Loop-o does it nicely, too!

Mark Sottilaro

On Saturday, October 27, 2001, at 08:44 AM, Daniel wrote:

what's the equation you need to do to calculate delay time?
 
much obliged


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         ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 28 22:29:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16551; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 22:27:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 22:27:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Apparently-From: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 21:25:22 -0600 Subject: Copyright (slightly off-topic) From: Mike Feeney To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey all, this is a question that has wandered through my mind many times and I have never looked up a definitive answer. legally, does an artist have to obtain permission to cover another artist's song, whether live or on an album? What other legalities are there surrounding this issue? Are there any online sources where I can look up this sort of info? thanks a bunch, mike _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 28 23:49:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20070; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 23:47:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 23:47:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011029044724.52623.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 20:47:24 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: EDP Synch out to Repeater all crazy!? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1E6A547E-CBDA-11D5-8F0D-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you were trying to sync to a short loop on the EDP &/or your 8th/beat parameter was set to a high value, the midi clock might be too much for the Repeater to handle. On the Againinator, you can get around this problem by substituting its quartz crystal for crystal meth. John --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Hey, > > Jon Wagner and I played a little college party last > night, and we had > some trouble with Synch from his Echoplex. He's got > a Repeater as well, > and both of our units started acting really strange > after a while. The > tempo seemed to be shifting as much as 10 BPM in any > direction. > Sometimes while I tried to record, my Repeater would > exclaim, > "TEMPOFAST" and wouldn't let me. I've been a beta > tester for the > Repeater, and have stopped having synch issues after > the first bug fix I > received from Electrix. It seems to stay synched to > my drummachine with > no problems at all. Any idea what could have caused > this? > > Mark Sottilaro > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 28 23:59:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20864; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 23:58:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 23:58:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011029045820.79351.qmail@web10003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 20:58:20 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Repeater & EDP: Ideas for synergy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It seems like one advantage of using the EDP as the master would be the ability to move thru several loops of different cycle lengths & have the Repeater react via its time stretch capability. John --- Neil Goldstein wrote: > Would love to hear how people would use both of > these together. They are > both so rich in features, and have an interesting > overlap and mutually > exclusive features too. > > I haven't had a chance (or desire) to work with both > of mine together, and > honestly, I was contemplating selling my EDP as the > Repeater does so much of > what I've used the EDP for, now that the new OS is > out. But I love the EDP, > its served me well, but I don't want too much > complexity. And honestly the > Repeater wins, for my purposes, if its one or the > other. > > On the other side of the coin, now that the midi > sync is working tight in > the Repeater, there are some real cool possibilities > running both of these > together. > > Before I play with both together, I would like to > have some kind of roadmap > for what I want to do and how to do it, esp vis a > vis what is master and > what is slave. > > All this over-analyis is because of my limited time > for music I'm wanting to > practice and create, rather than be messing with > settings, etc. > > So I would love to hear from some of you advanced > users, even if you don't > have both units, what kind of things you could/would > do. Trade secrets are > esp welcome :-) > > > Neil Goldstein > Portland, Oregon > > > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 00:03:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22278; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 00:02:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 00:02:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Wanted: Zoom 508 tips Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 21:02:52 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <20011029044724.52623.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello fellow loopers-- This message goes out to those of you who have used the Zoom 508 for delayish short loops--I got this one a few weeks ago and recently unpacked it (!) and put it to use--the only trick I have come up with is setting the feedback to 99 (still fades too fast, huh) and toggling between patches with the effect set to 50 and 0--using the external pedal (I'm using a Roland DP-2) for tap times. It's problematical, fer sure--but still loads of quick fun. I'm just wondering if I'm missing something obvious in terms of usability--the record doesn't begin until you tap the time, since it's really a delay and not a looper--any tips from old masters (John Price, maybe?) of this cool unit? Gary PS If I really had the time, I'd get a Repeater--but I still eagerly await that EDP upgrade--Harvey Starr says the new software looper (MIDI) for the Ztar sends clock! Ohboyohboyohboy . . .G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 01:15:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA26291; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 01:13:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 01:13:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: OT: SmartMedia Questions. Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 22:12:04 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all- I am going to be buying a 64mb SmartMedia card and a USB card reader to use with my Korg Electribe-S- in light of the extensive discussions in regards to the CompactFlash cards I thought I'd find out if there are any special concerns when picking a brand- Thanks- Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 01:31:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA27066; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 01:30:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 01:30:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 22:29:14 -0800 Subject: Re: OT: SmartMedia Questions. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <45AB7056-CC36-11D5-93F1-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, Electrix recommends a few cards on their site (www.electrixpro.com) specifically for the Repeater, as they are fast enough to record stereo audio in real time. Many are not. I don't really know if the Electribe needs that kind of performance. I'm using a 128 meg Simpletech card that seems to work fine and cost me $80 or so. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, October 28, 2001, at 10:12 PM, Om_Audio wrote: > Hi all- I am going to be buying a 64mb SmartMedia card and a USB card > reader > to use with my Korg Electribe-S- in light of the extensive discussions > in > regards to the CompactFlash cards I thought I'd find out if there are > any > special concerns when picking a brand- Thanks- > > Cliff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 02:21:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA29972; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 02:20:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 02:20:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: Repeater & EDP: Ideas for synergy Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 23:13:08 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20011029045820.79351.qmail@web10003.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > It seems like one advantage of using the EDP as the > master would be the ability to move thru several > loops of different cycle lengths & have the Repeater > react via its time stretch capability. > > John I don't see how the Repeater would time stretch in relation to different EDP loops. Tempo or pitch stretch commands come via midi CC# in real time (or via the controls onboard), not in relationship to anything that comes out the EDP midi out (correct me if I'm wrong). I can see controlling Repeater's loops via footswitch or midi slider, in relationship to something on the EDP with midi clock sync, but decisions have to be made by ear (or head). I see the different cycle lengths that the two machines can do simultaneously as potentially the biggest benefit of running em together. The multitrack feature on the RPTR is very cool, but the whole architecture of the machine appears to preclude having different cycle lenghths simultaneously (and that's on Electrix' wish list for features). It seems like in this scenario either machine could be master. I have to scratch my head some more on this... Neil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 03:09:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA32323; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 03:08:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 03:08:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004a01c1614c$14d69320$02000003@mpx.com.au> From: "cameron street" To: References: Subject: Re: SmartMedia Questions. Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 06:06:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com USB card reader > to use with my Korg Electribe-S- I own a Korg Electribe-S, i'm about to buy a sm card. What's a USB card reader ? please. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 03:16:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA32601; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 03:15:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 03:15:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 00:14:07 -0800 From: Doug Lawrence Subject: Re: SmartMedia Questions. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: clifsound@mediaone.net Message-id: <004301c16051$ae6ef7d0$0482c83f@allindlaw> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I went down to Wal-Mart and got the cheapest 32 MB SmartMedia card I could find ... turned out it was a Memorex ... no problems with it so far. I have the SanDisk reader which works fine for me. OK, so have you figured out the idiosyncrasy with transferring samples to your Electribe-S yet?? Files must be 32 KHz PCM wave files which can be a real pain when your are resampling a bunch of files you want to beat match ... and they must be saved to the SmartMedia named 01.WAV, 02.WAV, 03.WAV etc to be read. It's a great little machine, but my other issues with it are your ability to only use one effect at a time, you have to "split" a sample to the sample pads to real-time stretch it, and it doesn't do odd-time signatures very well, if at all. I wish I could somehow get the features of the Yamaha SU700 and Korg Electribe-S in the same form factor machine somewhere ... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Om_Audio" To: "Loopers Delight" Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 10:12 PM Subject: OT: SmartMedia Questions. > Hi all- I am going to be buying a 64mb SmartMedia card and a USB card reader > to use with my Korg Electribe-S- in light of the extensive discussions in > regards to the CompactFlash cards I thought I'd find out if there are any > special concerns when picking a brand- Thanks- > > Cliff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 03:25:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA00429; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 03:24:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 03:24:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 00:22:24 -0800 From: Doug Lawrence Subject: Re: SmartMedia Questions. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: c.jas@optusnet.com.au Message-id: <005201c16052$d66a25b0$0482c83f@allindlaw> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <004a01c1614c$14d69320$02000003@mpx.com.au> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I own a Korg Electribe-S, i'm about to buy a sm card. > What's a USB card reader ? please. You simply "plug" the SmartMedia card into the reader which connect your PC/laptop using USB ... once drivers are installed, the SmartMedia card looks like a removable hard drive. http://www.sandisk.com/consumer/im.asp http://www.dazzle.com/products/cardreaders.html http://www.microtechint.com/qs-zio.html Just make sure they have drivers for whatever platform/OS you are using. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 04:04:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA03089; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 04:04:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 04:04:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: SmartMedia Questions. Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 01:02:53 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <004301c16051$ae6ef7d0$0482c83f@allindlaw> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No- because I haven't recieved it in the mail yet- :) But I know for a fact your info will proove to be most helpful- bummer about the naming and sample rate needs but hopefully it won't be too much of a pain- I will see if WaveLab's batch processor might help in that situation- What kind of odd sigs have you done so far- if any? Thanks for the tips- Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Doug Lawrence [mailto:dlawren@pacbell.net] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 12:14 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: clifsound@mediaone.net Subject: Re: SmartMedia Questions. Files must be 32 KHz PCM wave files which can be a real pain when your are resampling a bunch of files you want to beat match ... and they must be saved to the SmartMedia named 01.WAV, 02.WAV, 03.WAV etc to be read. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 05:00:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA05485; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 04:59:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 04:59:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011029095751.5975.qmail@email.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) From: "Brian Thomson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:57:51 +0000 Subject: OT: Korg Electribe S- Odd Time sigs? Resent-Message-ID: <887B2.A.FEB.LhS37@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is from the "Sound On Sound" magazine review at http://www.sound-on-sound.com/sos/aug00/articles/korgelec.htm : "Patterns can consist of up to four measures, each measure consisting of 16 or 12 steps (triplet mode). Hence wacky time signatures are definitely out, though this isn't going to concern the four-on-the-floor fraternity at which the ES1 is firmly squared." So it looks like the answer is no, sadly... Brian Thomson bnt@email.com -- _______________________________________________ Talk More, Pay Less with Net2Phone Direct(R), up to 1500 minutes free! http://www.net2phone.com/cgi-bin/link.cgi?143 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 05:20:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA06195; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 05:19:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 05:19:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011029111121.00d91680@mail.groundloops.com> X-Sender: 03groundloopscom@mail.groundloops.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 11:18:01 +0100 To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: leocavallo Subject: Re: How Can I Do This (And What Do I Need) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <0PUxMB.A.egB.F0S37@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi D >The effect I am trying to create (it exists), is a multi tap delay, that >builds to a cresendo). Sort of like if I said "Hello", (at 120 BPM), the >effect would be "H-H-H-Hello", but in tempo, and starting at; say -6 >decibles, then going to +20. >I have heard this effect in several songs (none come to mind now), but I >know it exists ! I am not insane, or am I. >Leo Cavallo used something similar in "Stuttering Stravinsky". probably it was just a sequencing trick.. cut the part you need, copy and paste a few times, then apply a volume envelope... could be this? sorry, but my memory is so bad... :) ciao leo www.groundloops.com c o o l . s o u n d s & s a m p l e . c d s f r e e . s a m p l e s . a r c h i v e From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 05:35:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA06663; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 05:34:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 05:34:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01f101c16065$362f08a0$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011029111121.00d91680@mail.groundloops.com> Subject: Re: How Can I Do This (And What Do I Need) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:33:53 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not sure upon reflection (pun intended) that this is a live trick. Not knowing how to make a multi-tap do this, I've done something like it with post-recording processing as follows, using CoolEdit etc: 1. Record voice saying "Hello", using a strong "H" perhaps. 2. Highlight and copy the "He-" part of "Hello". 3. Rewind selection and Insert using Paste before the "Hello". 4. Insert enough silence between the "He-" and the "Hello" to suit you. 5. Copy the "He-" and the silence before "Hello". 6. Paste-insert it twice at the beginning of the recording. 7. Insert silence 4-5 seconds on either side of the recording. 8. Reverse entire selection. 9. Add reverb to taste. 10. Reverse entire selection (back to normal direction). Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.live365.com/stations/218194 * EarthLight Online / Live! "leocavallo" put forth: > >The effect I am trying to create (it exists), is a multi tap delay, that > >builds to a cresendo). Sort of like if I said "Hello", (at 120 BPM), the > >effect would be "H-H-H-Hello", but in tempo, and starting at; say -6 > >decibles, then going to +20. > >I have heard this effect in several songs (none come to mind now), but I > >know it exists ! I am not insane, or am I. > >Leo Cavallo used something similar in "Stuttering Stravinsky". > > probably it was just a sequencing trick.. cut the part you need, copy and > paste a few times, then apply a volume envelope... could be this? sorry, > but my memory is so bad... :) > > ciao > leo > > > > www.groundloops.com > > c o o l . s o u n d s & s a m p l e . c d s > f r e e . s a m p l e s . a r c h i v e > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 08:02:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA13735; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 08:00:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 08:00:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 14:59:17 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: Re: Best effects processor. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: "italoop@libero.it" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-XaM3-API-Version: 1.1.9.1.39.1.2 X-SenderIP: 212.171.128.16 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id IAA13661 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Claude wrote: > delay times of 9 X 1/4, 17 X 1/16 > something as simple as: give me a 3 1/8 delay time on the right and 9 > 1/8 on the left and 12 1/16 on the center all related to the clock > its a very intuitive way to build up multitap delays sequences that go > over the bar > and there are delay ratios to the clock that cannot be obtained by the > usual way (5,4,3,2 bars,dot whole, whole, etc....) > > Claude You can do the same thing with a different approach in Eclipse. Just a matter of knowing your time signatures and polyrhythms subdivisions better. best regards Italo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 08:11:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA14148; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 08:10:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 08:10:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c101c16095$7b2991c0$23719818@default> From: "Daniel" To: References: Subject: Re: Eventide Eclipse (was: Best effects processor. (Sync)) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:19:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anybody know where I can find a cheap ebow online? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 09:22:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA17673; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:20:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:20:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003301c16081$0da8d2a0$cac41ed9@oemcomputer> From: "Bruce Comens" To: References: <002401c15658$4ca86660$cbc41ed9@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Behringer Footcontroller Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 18:51:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just to report that i bought one, and i'm very happy with it. Very solid, easy to program, so far it does eveyrthing i want (and a switchable power supply as well!). My only wish (again, so far) would be for a way to switch the expression pedals' midi channel via preset, so you could use them for more than one machine. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 09:22:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA17669; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:20:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:20:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003b01c16081$10d61dc0$cac41ed9@oemcomputer> From: "Bruce Comens" To: References: <009701c15f54$9c710a30$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: Re:Best effects processor. (Sync) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 14:50:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com But why is it that a drum machine synced to a loop of same drum machine isn't dead on? Seems better when the looper is the master (with the repeater i also get artifacts when the drum machine is the master), but the patterns don't ever coincide perfectly... ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthias Grob To: Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 7:51 AM Subject: Re: Re:Best effects processor. (Sync) > >repeater does this. > >i synched mine to my edp and left it running for hours. > >it continuously (repeatedly?) matches it's start point to midi clock... > > thats right, JamMan, Repeater and EDP do this, now I wonder about Eclipse... > > > > >> > >> No, thats not what synchronization means. A possible test for sync: > >> Copy a loop that runs on the Repeater to the Eclipse and then leave > >> them both running over night and listen in the morning whether the > >> two sounds still coincide! > > > To keep the same speed is intersting, to stay in phase is much > >more difficult. > > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 10:24:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21244; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:21:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:21:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Looking for EDP users! X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4712.0 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:17:56 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Looking for EDP users! Thread-Index: AcFgjRJ4+Hgh68oEEdWEDQAIx9v+rg== From: "Scott Johnson" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id KAA21080 Resent-Message-ID: <_s1JQD.A.xJF.OMX37@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm looking to talk with any loopers who are currently using the Oberheim/Gibson Echoplex. If you use this tool in your productions, please contact me via email so we can talk about an upcoming project! R. Scott Johnson Product Specialist Gibson Strings & Accessories 1150 Bowes Rd. Elgin, IL 60123 USA Vox: 847.741.7315 ext. 209 Fax: 847.741.4644 Email: sjohnson@gibson.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 10:27:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21486; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:25:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:25:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: math children Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:26:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What weird timing. I just pulled that tip for Cakewalk's next newsletter. We took it from a book called Cakewalk Power! Many professional musicians use delay to synchronize echoes with their music. For instance, you can have the echoes play in time with each quarter note, eighth note, sixteenth note, and so on. All that's required for this cool trick is a little simple math. Begin by figuring the Delay Time needed to synchronize the echoes to each quarter note. To do so, just divide 60,000 (the number of milliseconds in one minute) by the current Tempo (measured in beats per minute) of your project. So for a Tempo of 120 bpm, you get 500 milliseconds. If you set the delay time to 500, the resulting echoes will sound with a quarter note pulse. To figure out the Delay Time for other note values, you just need to divide or multiply. Because an eighth note is half the value of a quarter note, you simply divide 500 by two to get 250 milliseconds. A sixteenth note is half the value of an eighth note, so 250 divided by 2 is 125. See how that works? If you want to find out larger note values, just multiply by two. Because a half note is twice as long as a quarter note, you multiply 500 by 2 to get 1000 milliseconds, and so on. Go back to the Tech Tip archive. -----Original Message----- From: Daniel [mailto:daniel_c@vtr.net] Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 11:44 AM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: math children what's the equation you need to do to calculate delay time? much obliged From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 10:35:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21887; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:34:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:34:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BDD749F.2A3723DE@ernieball.com> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 07:24:15 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #639 References: <200110281025.FAA01224@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: <0PnfoC.A.uVF.JcX37@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Todd- I had this exact same problem with my EDP when I first bought it (used). I ended up sending it in for repair, and Shane was able to fix it. -Hans > Subject: Pressing undo triggers record. Help, anybody... EDP > Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 21:40:30 -0400 > From: todd reynolds > To: > > Ok, I feel a little dumb... > > What parameter do I have set wrong that I can't press undo without > having > it trigger record? > > Using loop 3 V.0 on an old EDP > > Thanks in advance, > > Todd Reynolds From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 10:49:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22411; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:44:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:44:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Copyright (slightly off-topic) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:45:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, You do not have to obtain permission to cover a song live. Most venues in the US pay a blanket license to ASCAP, BMI (and in some cases SESAC). This allows any music covered by those performance rights organizations to be played by anyone muysicians, DJs, jukeboxes, pumped in radio etc. If the person isn't covered by one of those organizations, I would not worry about it anyway unless they happen to know them and they would get angry at you for playing their songs. You do have to obtain a license from the song's publisher to cover it on a recording. I can't remember the exact term for this license (statuatory, fair use, mandatory?). They have to grant it to you as long as it has been already recorded and released on a commercial recording by the original artist (unless they can prove you will damage the song or original artist by your covering the song). You will be required to pay them whatever the statutory rate currently is for songs on commercial recordings (About $.08/recording sold), you will also have to clearly display the copyright information (songwriters, publisher, and date) in your artwork. You can, if you have some clout, negotiate a flat fee for the recording or a reduced rate. I.e. If you're someone like Michael Jackson, and are guaranteed to sell a few million copies, they would probably grant you a reduced rate based on the additional money you would make them. Hope that helps. Carl -----Original Message----- From: Mike Feeney [mailto:feeneymike@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 10:25 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Copyright (slightly off-topic) hey all, this is a question that has wandered through my mind many times and I have never looked up a definitive answer. legally, does an artist have to obtain permission to cover another artist's song, whether live or on an album? What other legalities are there surrounding this issue? Are there any online sources where I can look up this sort of info? thanks a bunch, mike _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 10:52:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22734; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:51:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:51:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011101c160ab$0b3b6300$7da07ed8@waldo> From: "deknow" To: , Cc: References: Subject: Re: How Can I Do This (And What Do I Need) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:26:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <2XpOAB.A.wiF.lrX37@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ...i don't think there is an "s 612" plugin, but i would use my s612 to do this (trim the sliders to just get the "h", turn up the volume as it gets triggerd, and slam the endpoint slider to get "hello". deknow ----- Original Message ----- From: Dj Devious D To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 5:18 PM Subject: How Can I Do This (And What Do I Need) > Ok, I have been in the mix game for some years, and there are still aspects > of it, that I have not mastered. > There's an effect, I am trying to duplicate (on my PC, using Sound Forge > 5.0, (and all it's Plugins), ACID 3.0, and Cool Edit Pro and FruityLoops > 3.3) > The effect I am trying to create (it exists), is a multi tap delay, that > builds to a cresendo). Sort of like if I said "Hello", (at 120 BPM), the > effect would be "H-H-H-Hello", but in tempo, and starting at; say -6 > decibles, then going to +20. > I have heard this effect in several songs (none come to mind now), but I > know it exists ! I am not insane, or am I. > Leo Cavallo used something similar in "Stuttering Stravinsky". > I have a lot of Direct X Plugins, so I am sure one of them can produce this > effect. I just know what it is called.... PLEASE HALP !!!!! > > Lucien E. Darthard > A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It. > Cell Phone > http://ldarthard.ohgo.com/ > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 10:54:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22318; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:42:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:42:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:42:01 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Copyright (slightly off-topic) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002901c16090$406013c0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm assuming u.s.a. only... as far as recordings, harry fox agency has been set up to negotiate mechanical royalties (recording your own version of a song) or use in video, film etc. http://www.nmpa.org/hfa.html i think the statutory royalty (set by congress) is $0.0755 per copy. so if you distribute 1000 copies of your recording with 1 cover on it, you pay $75.50 for live, usually the venue has to arrange licensing from the three performance rights organizations. ascap - http://www.ascap.com/ bmi - http://bmi.com/home.asp sesac - http://www.sesac.com/ > hey all, > > this is a question that has wandered through my mind many times and I > have never looked up a definitive answer. > > legally, does an artist have to obtain permission to cover another > artist's song, whether live or on an album? What other legalities are there > surrounding this issue? Are there any online sources where I can look up > this sort of info? > > thanks a bunch, > mike > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 10:55:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22884; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:54:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:54:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00c101c16095$7b2991c0$23719818@default> References: <00c101c16095$7b2991c0$23719818@default> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:52:43 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Eventide Eclipse (was: Best effects processor. (Sync)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >anybody know where I can find a cheap ebow online? surely you can get ebows on ebay? (sorry, I couldn't resist...) /t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 10:59:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23149; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:57:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:57:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:57:14 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Repeater & EDP: Ideas for synergy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005f01c16092$60db6fd0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: <-kV0_C.A.VpF.pxX37@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com no. repeater time stretches when it is syncing to midi clock... > > > It seems like one advantage of using the EDP as the > > master would be the ability to move thru several > > loops of different cycle lengths & have the Repeater > > react via its time stretch capability. > > > > John > > I don't see how the Repeater would time stretch in relation to different EDP > loops. Tempo or pitch stretch commands come via midi CC# in real time (or > via the controls onboard), not in relationship to anything that comes out > the EDP midi out (correct me if I'm wrong). I can see controlling Repeater's > loops via footswitch or midi slider, in relationship to something on the EDP > with midi clock sync, but decisions have to be made by ear (or head). > > I see the different cycle lengths that the two machines can do > simultaneously as potentially the biggest benefit of running em together. > The multitrack feature on the RPTR is very cool, but the whole architecture > of the machine appears to preclude having different cycle lenghths > simultaneously (and that's on Electrix' wish list for features). > > It seems like in this scenario either machine could be master. I have to > scratch my head some more on this... > > Neil > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 11:01:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23104; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:57:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:57:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BDD8B0E.FE4B3F8C@cabq.gov> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 08:59:58 -0800 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: T-Shirt Status 10/29/01 References: <200110281025.FAA01224@hemlock.violacea.com> <3BDD749F.2A3723DE@ernieball.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Since I have gotten a couple of inquiries, i figured I would let the list know where we are with this... The printer was "supposed" to have the shirts to me last week. This turned out not to be the case. Hopefully I will get them this week... I got a bunch of Priority Mail boxes sitting in the living room, ready to be addressed and sent out the door. I will begin mailing as soon as I can! I still await a few "checks in the mail" folks. If I still haven't received those checks by the time the shirts are ready to go I will be emailing an inquiry to those folks in question. There have been a few stragglers, missing the deadline and now want shirts. Any leftover shirts will offered up. -jas Albuquerque From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 11:06:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24624; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 11:04:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 11:04:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:04:11 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Re:Best effects processor. (Sync) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <008101c16093$5977d890$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <009701c15f54$9c710a30$080210ac@jpalmer> <003b01c16081$10d61dc0$cac41ed9@oemcomputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com are you using repeater? o.s v1 for repeater had a bug in midi sync. it is supposedly fixed in the update, but i haven't checked it out thoroughly... > But why is it that a drum machine synced to a loop of same drum machine > isn't dead on? Seems better when the looper is the master (with the > repeater i also get artifacts when the drum machine is the master), but the > patterns don't ever coincide perfectly... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Matthias Grob > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 7:51 AM > Subject: Re: Re:Best effects processor. (Sync) > > > > >repeater does this. > > >i synched mine to my edp and left it running for hours. > > >it continuously (repeatedly?) matches it's start point to midi clock... > > > > thats right, JamMan, Repeater and EDP do this, now I wonder about > Eclipse... > > > > > > > >> > > >> No, thats not what synchronization means. A possible test for sync: > > >> Copy a loop that runs on the Repeater to the Eclipse and then leave > > >> them both running over night and listen in the morning whether the > > >> two sounds still coincide! > > > > To keep the same speed is intersting, to stay in phase is much > > >more difficult. > > > > -- > > > > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 11:10:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24860; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 11:09:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 11:09:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: Looking for EDP users! Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 08:01:54 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use it. Neil Goldstein Portland, Oregon > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Johnson [mailto:sjohnson@gibson.com] > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 7:18 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Looking for EDP users! > > > I'm looking to talk with any loopers who are currently using the > Oberheim/Gibson Echoplex. If you use this tool in your productions, > please contact me via email so we can talk about an upcoming project! > > R. Scott Johnson > Product Specialist > Gibson Strings & Accessories > 1150 Bowes Rd. > Elgin, IL 60123 USA > Vox: 847.741.7315 ext. 209 > Fax: 847.741.4644 > Email: sjohnson@gibson.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 11:58:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26568; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 11:52:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 11:52:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 08:50:52 -0800 Subject: Re: Best effects processor. (Sync) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <008101c16093$5977d890$080210ac@jpalmer> Message-Id: <1D126A29-CC8D-11D5-AB37-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com version 1.1 seems very solid in the synch dept. Mark Sottilaro On Monday, October 29, 2001, at 08:04 AM, jim palmer wrote: > are you using repeater? > o.s v1 for repeater had a bug in midi sync. > it is supposedly fixed in the update, but i haven't checked it out > thoroughly... > > >> But why is it that a drum machine synced to a loop of same drum machine >> isn't dead on? Seems better when the looper is the master (with the >> repeater i also get artifacts when the drum machine is the master), >> but the >> patterns don't ever coincide perfectly... >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Matthias Grob >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 7:51 AM >> Subject: Re: Re:Best effects processor. (Sync) >> >> >>>> repeater does this. >>>> i synched mine to my edp and left it running for hours. >>>> it continuously (repeatedly?) matches it's start point to midi >>>> clock... >>> >>> thats right, JamMan, Repeater and EDP do this, now I wonder about >> Eclipse... >>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> No, thats not what synchronization means. A possible test for sync: >>>>> Copy a loop that runs on the Repeater to the Eclipse and then leave >>>>> them both running over night and listen in the morning whether the >>>>> two sounds still coincide! >>>>> To keep the same speed is intersting, to stay in phase is much >>>> more difficult. >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org >>> >>> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 12:31:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28877; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:24:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:24:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: Repeater & EDP: Ideas for synergy Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:16:36 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <005f01c16092$60db6fd0$080210ac@jpalmer> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Right, Repeater changes tempo without changing pitch when it recieves a tempo change. I realize the biggest drag about using either EDP or Repeater as clock master to the other is that midi commands from my foot controller will only be seen by the master unit. The second unit, having its midi in coming from the other looper's midi out, prevents it from seeing midi coming in from any other source, thus no remote control of the 2nd looper. The *only* communication between the two units is midi clock when set up in this way, which is a deal breaker as far as I can see. Seems like a much more powerful setup is having both synced to a common source: a drum machine or sequencer. Neil Goldstein Portland, Oregon > -----Original Message----- > From: jim palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 7:57 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Repeater & EDP: Ideas for synergy > > > no. repeater time stretches when it is syncing to midi clock... > > > > > > > It seems like one advantage of using the EDP as the > > > master would be the ability to move thru several > > > loops of different cycle lengths & have the Repeater > > > react via its time stretch capability. > > > > > > John > > > > I don't see how the Repeater would time stretch in relation to > different EDP > > loops. Tempo or pitch stretch commands come via midi CC# in > real time (or > > via the controls onboard), not in relationship to anything that > comes out > > the EDP midi out (correct me if I'm wrong). I can see > controlling Repeater's > > loops via footswitch or midi slider, in relationship to > something on the EDP > > with midi clock sync, but decisions have to be made by ear (or head). > > > > I see the different cycle lengths that the two machines can do > > simultaneously as potentially the biggest benefit of running em > together. > > The multitrack feature on the RPTR is very cool, but the whole > architecture > > of the machine appears to preclude having different cycle lenghths > > simultaneously (and that's on Electrix' wish list for features). > > > > It seems like in this scenario either machine could be master. I have to > > scratch my head some more on this... > > > > Neil > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 12:40:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29367; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:33:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:33:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:32:11 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: RE: Repeater & EDP: Ideas for synergy Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >I realize the biggest drag about using either EDP or Repeater as clock >master to the other is that midi commands from my foot controller will only be seen by the master unit. huh? could not the footcontroller be setup to send multiple commands on different midi channels (one for the EDP and one for the Repeater)? i've been playing with this a bit on a Rolls Midiwizard, controlling a jamman and a mofx. don't the EDP and Repeater pass midi thru? rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 12:49:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29899; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:43:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:43:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: Repeater & EDP: Ideas for synergy Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:35:59 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Neil Goldstein Portland, Oregon > -----Original Message----- > From: rich [mailto:rich@nuvisionsca.com] > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 9:32 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Repeater & EDP: Ideas for synergy > > > > > >I realize the biggest drag about using either EDP or Repeater as clock > >master to the other is that midi commands from my foot > controller will only > be seen by the master unit. > > huh? could not the footcontroller be setup to send multiple commands > on different midi channels (one for the EDP and one for the > Repeater)? i've been playing with this a bit on a Rolls Midiwizard, > controlling a jamman and a mofx. > > don't the EDP and Repeater pass midi thru? > > rich Yes I've been passing midi through to my EFX too. But think about it: when you take the midi OUT of the EDP into the midi IN of the Repeater, you are in effect preventing any midi commands entering the Repeater. If you take the midi THROUGH from the EDP into the Repeater then you can use your foot controller to control both (this is how mine's set up). But then you need a 3rd party midi clock keeping it all synced. Would not mind being proven wrong about this, but it appears if you want to use the EDP's clock to control Repeater (or vice versa) you lose lots of remote control functionality. NG From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 12:59:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30492; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:58:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:58:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:53:20 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: question for nomadic loopers In-reply-to: <00bd01c13e5f$2adfa680$6401a8c0@nc.rr.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: diatom drone , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1207744270==_ma============" References: <00bd01c13e5f$2adfa680$6401a8c0@nc.rr.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1207744270==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 11:25 PM -0400 9/15/01, diatom drone wrote: >i, a former software-only looper, am now in possession of several rack units >in addition to a mixer. and i'd like to start doing more shows. henceforth, >i need some rack cases! A lot depends on your budget. Shock-mount military spec cases can cost more thatn $500 even for a 6-space unit. SKB cases and the like are much cheaper and may give you less protection. You weren't specific about how many rack spaces you need, or about the specific units you'll be racking. Also, what's the form factor of your mixer? For example, if you have just four rack spaces of processors, and these are not too deep, you could get a rack bag and take it as carry-on luggage (assuming you can get it through security!). This protects you from the baggage handlers. If you do have to check your equipment, you'll be wanting ATA-rated shock-mount cases. Anvil is perhaps the best-known brand, but there are many others. Just do a Web search to get an overview. The "ATA" rating simply means the case has passed a series of tests "in strict conformance to all applicable procedures called out in the Air Transportation Association Specification 300, Category 1, Military testing procedures applicable to MIL-STD. 810 C, D & E and various ASTM testing specifications." Star Case lists test results for their ATA cases at http://www.ata-cases-air-transport-association-cases-flight-case-ata-case.com/starfactstests.html. Star also has a helpful chart of case types they manufacture, with a grading system to help select one suitable for your needs. http://www.ata-cases-air-transport-association-cases-flight-case-ata-case.com/casetypes.html I've had experience with several types of road cases. The most common are the made of heavy-duty clad plywood, with metal reinforcements at all corners and edges. Some use dense foam for shock mounting, in a layered construction of outer protective shell, foam, and inner mounting frame with rack rails front and (optionally) rear. It's a box-within-a-box. I've seen some cases in which the inner box could slide out so that the actual stage setup was less bulky than the shipping configuration. Moulded cases typically use a shock mounting system with several heavy-duty shock absorbers (not unlike automotive shocks) that connect the outer shell to an inner mounting frame. Such systems tend to be lighter weight, and they have the added advantage of providing air space around the equipment. I have a couple of Aarmor mil-spec cases of this type, and they are very tough. It is important to be aware of the fact that even with a tough outer shell and a good shock mounting system, the way your equipment is mounted is also important. If your individual rack gear is deep and heavy, you need to provide some support for the rear of each unit, particularly if you're leaving a space between them for air circulation. If you don't do this you will find that when (not "if") the baggage handlers drop your case, the equipment will flex and bend the mounting ears of their faceplates. Be sure to provide such support both below AND above. Just because you have "THIS END UP" and big arrows on your case doesn't mean the baggage handlers won't drop it upside down on the tarmac. An just one final thing: Sudden shocks aren't the only things that will afflict your equipment in transit. I've arrived at gigs to find that my equipment rattled, and on opening up the case I found that in-flight vibration had caused components to come unscrewed. It's best to give your gear a listen before you turn it on. A loose nut floating around on a circuit board could cause a short. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz --============_-1207744270==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: question for nomadic loopers
At 11:25 PM -0400 9/15/01, diatom drone wrote:

i, a former software-only looper, am now in possession of several rack units
in addition to a mixer. and i'd like to start doing more shows. henceforth,
i need some rack cases!

A lot depends on your budget. Shock-mount military spec cases can cost more thatn $500 even for a 6-space unit. SKB cases and the like are much cheaper and may give you less protection.

You weren't specific about how many rack spaces you need, or about the specific units you'll be racking. Also, what's the form factor of your mixer?  For example, if you have just four rack spaces of processors, and these are not too deep, you could get a rack bag and take it as carry-on luggage (assuming you can get it through security!). This protects you from the baggage handlers.

If you do have to check your equipment, you'll be wanting ATA-rated shock-mount cases. Anvil is perhaps the best-known brand, but there are many others. Just do a Web search to get an overview. The "ATA" rating simply means the case has passed a series of tests "in strict conformance to all applicable procedures called out in the Air Transportation Association Specification 300, Category 1, Military testing procedures applicable to MIL-STD. 810 C, D & E and various ASTM testing specifications." Star Case lists test results for their ATA cases at http://www.ata-cases-air-transport-association-cases-flight-case-ata-case.com/starfactstests.html.  Star also has a helpful chart of case types they manufacture, with a grading system to help select one suitable for your needs. http://www.ata-cases-air-transport-association-cases-flight-case-ata-case.com/casetypes.html

I've had experience with several types of road cases. The most common are the made of heavy-duty clad plywood, with metal reinforcements at all corners and edges. Some use dense foam for shock mounting, in a layered construction of outer protective shell, foam, and inner mounting frame with rack rails front and (optionally) rear. It's a box-within-a-box. I've seen some cases in which the inner box could slide out so that the actual stage setup was less bulky than the shipping configuration.

Moulded cases typically use a shock mounting system with several heavy-duty shock absorbers (not unlike automotive shocks) that connect the outer shell to an inner mounting frame. Such systems tend to be lighter weight, and they have the added advantage of providing air space around the equipment. I have a couple of Aarmor mil-spec cases of this type, and they are very tough.

It is important to be aware of the fact that even with a tough outer shell and a good shock mounting system, the way your equipment is mounted is also important. If your individual rack gear is deep and heavy, you need to provide some support for the rear of each unit, particularly if you're leaving a space between them for air circulation. If you don't do this you will find that when (not "if") the baggage handlers drop your case, the equipment will flex and bend the mounting ears of their faceplates. Be sure to provide such support both below AND above. Just because you have "THIS END UP" and big arrows on your case doesn't mean the baggage handlers won't drop it upside down on the tarmac.

An just one final thing: Sudden shocks aren't the only things that will afflict your equipment in transit. I've arrived at gigs to find that my equipment rattled, and on opening up the case I found that in-flight vibration had caused components to come unscrewed. It's best to give your gear a listen before you turn it on. A loose nut floating around on a circuit board could cause a short.
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--============_-1207744270==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 13:07:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31740; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 13:00:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 13:00:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [199.179.170.206] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: spgoodman@earthlight.net Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: More Info On How Can I Do This (And What Do I Need) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 11:58:52 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Oct 2001 17:58:52.0603 (UTC) FILETIME=[5E97D8B0:01C160A3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I a picture is worth a 1,000 words, so a sample is worth... oh well. Below is a link to my Briefcase online, where you can download an example of the effect. I have also included my attempt at the effect also. For those who do not know what this request is about, I am including the original email text for your review. http://briefcase.yahoo.com/visionary.rm Here's my dilemma : I am trying to recreate a delay effect, but I have no ideal how to get it. I have included an example of the effect with this email. I have also attached my attempt at duplicating the effect, to my chagrin. This is a fairly common effect, but I have never seen it processed live, so I do not know how to reproduce it. The vocal "One More Time" is mine, I used Sound Forge Multi Tap Delay with the Gapper/Snipper effect, but it does not sound like the one used in the song "Stutter" (the Example Alpha), by Mysitcal and Joe. I have included that sample also, for your review. I just wanna know how this is done, and what tools I need to create the effect. I am using : Sound Forge 5.0, ACID Pro 3.0, FruityLoops 3.3, Cool Edit Pro 1.2a, and Reason. Lucien E. Darthard A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It. Cell Phone http://ldarthard.ohgo.com/ The below text is one of the replies I have received from my request. I'm not sure upon reflection (pun intended) that this is a live trick. Not knowing how to make a multi-tap do this, I've done something like it with post-recording processing as follows, using CoolEdit etc: 1. Record voice saying "Hello", using a strong "H" perhaps. 2. Highlight and copy the "He-" part of "Hello". 3. Rewind selection and Insert using Paste before the "Hello". 4. Insert enough silence between the "He-" and the "Hello" to suit you. 5. Copy the "He-" and the silence before "Hello". 6. Paste-insert it twice at the beginning of the recording. 7. Insert silence 4-5 seconds on either side of the recording. 8. Reverse entire selection. 9. Add reverb to taste. 10. Reverse entire selection (back to normal direction). ______________________________________________________________________ "leocavallo" put forth: > >The effect I am trying to create (it exists), is a multi tap delay, that > >builds to a cresendo). Sort of like if I said "Hello", (at 120 BPM), the > >effect would be "H-H-H-Hello", but in tempo, and starting at; say -6 > >decibles, then going to +20. > >I have heard this effect in several songs (none come to mind now), but I > >know it exists ! I am not insane, or am I. > >Leo Cavallo used something similar in "Stuttering Stravinsky". > > probably it was just a sequencing trick.. cut the part you need, copy and > paste a few times, then apply a volume envelope... could be this? sorry, > but my memory is so bad... :) > > ciao > leo > > > > www.groundloops.com > > c o o l . s o u n d s & s a m p l e . c d s > f r e e . s a m p l e s . a r c h i v e > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 13:18:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32332; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 13:16:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 13:16:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:05:48 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: Repeater & EDP: Ideas for synergy In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:16 AM -0800 10/29/01, Neil Goldstein wrote: >I realize the biggest drag about using either EDP or Repeater as clock >master to the other is that midi commands from my foot controller will only >be seen by the master unit. The second unit, having its midi in coming from >the other looper's midi out, prevents it from seeing midi coming in from any >other source, thus no remote control of the 2nd looper. The *only* >communication between the two units is midi clock when set up in this way, >which is a deal breaker as far as I can see. I'm using a Studio 5 MIDI interface to filter, channelize, and route MIDI signals to a pair of Repeaters. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 13:21:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32712; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 13:20:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 13:20:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.174.121.53] From: "Patrick Bailey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Attn : Line 6 DL4 loopers - need L xW Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:19:19 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Oct 2001 18:19:19.0938 (UTC) FILETIME=[3A244E20:01C160A6] Resent-Message-ID: <9ClZ0.A.e-H.W3Z37@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Soon I hope to be slapping a DL4 on to my pedalboard, but I only have a small area left on the board to put it on. Any DL4 users care to give me the dimensions? Can't seem to find them anywhere on the Line 6 site, which is strange, considering they post all kinds of manuals and such. much appreciated, P. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 13:29:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00379; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 13:22:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 13:22:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:21:08 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Repeater & EDP: Ideas for synergy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00ce01c160a6$7b2e6400$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i've been thinking about this a bit over the last few weeks as i try to get my looper rig together for gigging. obviously one could use a midi merger to get control information and sync from one to the other, but wouldn't it be better if the devices had an option to merge midi in with midi out? this would simplify things quite a bit i think... whadyasay matthias? can this be added to the edp? > > Neil Goldstein > Portland, Oregon > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rich [mailto:rich@nuvisionsca.com] > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 9:32 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: RE: Repeater & EDP: Ideas for synergy > > > > > > > > > >I realize the biggest drag about using either EDP or Repeater as clock > > >master to the other is that midi commands from my foot > > controller will only > > be seen by the master unit. > > > > huh? could not the footcontroller be setup to send multiple commands > > on different midi channels (one for the EDP and one for the > > Repeater)? i've been playing with this a bit on a Rolls Midiwizard, > > controlling a jamman and a mofx. > > > > don't the EDP and Repeater pass midi thru? > > > > rich > > > Yes I've been passing midi through to my EFX too. But think about it: when > you take the midi OUT of the EDP into the midi IN of the Repeater, you are > in effect preventing any midi commands entering the Repeater. If you take > the midi THROUGH from the EDP into the Repeater then you can use your foot > controller to control both (this is how mine's set up). But then you need a > 3rd party midi clock keeping it all synced. > > Would not mind being proven wrong about this, but it appears if you want to > use the EDP's clock to control Repeater (or vice versa) you lose lots of > remote control functionality. > > NG > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 13:33:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00549; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 13:26:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 13:26:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.27992951869965.253.395349502563@1.00012845774611> X-Sender: X-Mailer: Ken's Useful eMail Suite v5.1 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 13:25:08 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ken Subject: RE: Copyright (slightly off-topic) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:45 AM 10/29/01 -0500, Mike (CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com) wrote: >You do not have to obtain permission to cover a song live. Most venues in >the US pay a blanket license to ASCAP, BMI (and in some cases SESAC). This >allows any music covered by those performance rights organizations to be >played by anyone muysicians, DJs, jukeboxes, pumped in radio etc. If the >person isn't covered by one of those organizations, I would not worry about >it anyway unless they happen to know them and they would get angry at you >for playing their songs. To clarify what Mike wrote: Maybe practically speaking you don't have to obtain permission, but legally you do. IF the venue in question has paid royalties to one of those agencies, THEN permission has already been obtained. Otherwise, technically, you're probably not allowed to cover the song (whether or not there's any chance of that being enforced). - Ken kenzo@free-music.com ken's last ever radio extravaganza http://free-music.com/ken/extrav/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 13:34:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00677; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 13:28:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 13:28:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011029094634.02c0d510@mulder.intermag.com> X-Sender: mpulver@mulder.intermag.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:27:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: RE: Repeater & EDP: Ideas for synergy In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Oct 2001 18:25:55.0413 (UTC) FILETIME=[25DD0050:01C160A7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Neil Goldstein (09:35 AM 10.29.2001) wrote: >> >I realize the biggest drag about using either EDP or Repeater as clock >> >master to the other is that midi commands from my foot >> controller will only be seen by the master unit. >> >> huh? could not the footcontroller be setup to send multiple commands >> on different midi channels (one for the EDP and one for the >> Repeater)? i've been playing with this a bit on a Rolls Midiwizard, >> controlling a jamman and a mofx. >> >> don't the EDP and Repeater pass midi thru? > >Yes I've been passing midi through to my EFX too. But think about it: when >you take the midi OUT of the EDP into the midi IN of the Repeater, you are >in effect preventing any midi commands entering the Repeater. If you take >the midi THROUGH from the EDP into the Repeater then you can use your foot >controller to control both (this is how mine's set up). It sounds like folks are stepping into the fun (better known as the "pain-in-the-arse") of MIDI_THRU versus MIDI_OUT. From what I know of the history of MIDI, OUT and THRU were kept separate to avoid potential bandwidth issues with machines echoing upstream data as well as spitting out their own. From my point of view, it's just a pain. :) To alleviate the headaches of getting a master controller to a number of different modules, you'll want to look at devices like splitters or "thru's". MIDI Solutions are my favorite folks along these lines: http://www.midisolutions.com/products.htm If your MIDI rig is small (say 3-4 devices max) then this solution can work out pretty well. But, as your rig grows, a multi-port THRU box can get in the way and start creating headaches by not allowing you to have control over where the data's going. To deal with that, the most flexibility will come from adding a computer to the mess, using a multi-port MIDI interface, and then letting the computer drive the flow of MIDI IN and OUT. If you're working with synth modules, then a lot of times, you can ignore the MIDI_OUT ports - short of working with a computer based librarian or editor. But, if you're using a lot of controllers (foot, percussion, etc.) then you'll soon need to merge all the MIDI_OUT's to a single MIDI_IN. For that, you'll need a multi-port merger, and again I would recommend MIDI Solutions. But, if you ended up with a multi-port MIDI interface, you may have enough MIDI_IN's on the interface that you can dedicate one per device. To deal with my personal nightmare, I'm running an multi-port MIDI interface (Opcode Studio 4) along with an 8 port merger from Philip Rees. I wouldn't recommend the Rees unit though, it works fine, but tends to run very hot. I would stick with MIDI Solutions to do it again. To get everything working, I've spent many hours in laying out the MIDI routing so that I can route information from dedicated controllers to any box that's on the "network". You have to watch out for collisions and loops; make sure that you know which boxes can send out MIDI clock and to keep them in a strict master/slave relationship; watch out for multitimbral machines; and get surprised by the machines that you didn't think were multitimbral, but are - like the Roland Handsonic. Many of you are probably just trying to get 3 pieces to cohabitate, like the example above of an EDP, Repeater and a foot controller. To make that happen, you may be tempted to just get a 2 port THRU box and be done. But if you think that you'll be growing your rig - at all - let me suggest that you at least look at buying at a point twice your current needs. You'll thank yourself later for it. :) My 3 1/2 cents.. :) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 14:28:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04282; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 14:27:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 14:27:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.49.90] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Attn : Line 6 DL4 loopers - need L xW Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:25:39 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Oct 2001 19:25:40.0069 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E7C1950:01C160AF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi...it's 10"(l)x 6" (w)...but allow a coupla inches for plugs on the backside, even if you use right angled plugs or "think" that once it is on there you won't be plugging/unplugging. You also want to allow some room for the power supply which is 3"x2" and not a wall wart. The transformer is ilsolated from the plug (one of those half way down the ac cord kinda deals). Some folks have questioned being able to drive it from DC power like the Voodoo Pedal Power. I have not found that to work. On my board (which is just a SKB Ps25; I don't use the on board DC outlets there as they are very noisy) I bought a small Isobar (the 4 outlet kind), which has surge protect and EMF. That can power my DL4, MM4, TC SCF and MIDI pedal. Hope that helps...Max >From: "Patrick Bailey" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Attn : Line 6 DL4 loopers - need L xW >Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:19:19 -0800 > > >Soon I hope to be slapping a DL4 on to my pedalboard, but I only have a >small area left on the board to put it on. Any DL4 users care to give me >the >dimensions? Can't seem to find them anywhere on the Line 6 site, which is >strange, considering they post all kinds of manuals and such. > >much appreciated, >P. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 14:30:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04453; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 14:29:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 14:29:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BDD9FDD.7DB649E5@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:43:15 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Copyright (slightly off-topic) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com wrote: > Hello, > > You do not have to obtain permission to cover a song live. Most venues in > the US pay a blanket license to ASCAP, BMI (and in some cases SESAC). This > allows any music covered by those performance rights organizations to be > played by anyone muysicians, DJs, jukeboxes, pumped in radio etc. If the > person isn't covered by one of those organizations, I would not worry about > it anyway unless they happen to know them and they would get angry at you > for playing their songs. > > You do have to obtain a license from the song's publisher to cover it on a > recording. I can't remember the exact term for this license (statuatory, > fair use, mandatory?)...(snip) it's called a mechanical royalty. for as much info as you're likely to have questions about, check out: http://www.nmpa.org/hfa/faq_mechanical.html best, lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 14:41:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04907; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 14:40:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 14:40:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.49.90] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Advice for MIDI interface Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:38:50 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Oct 2001 19:38:50.0858 (UTC) FILETIME=[55D4ECA0:01C160B1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Fellow Loopers.... I was hoping to elicit some advice from those a little more knowledgable and/or experienced on the list.... I am looking for a MIDI interface for my PC recording. I am using a M-Audio Delta series soundcard and breakout box with Vegas and/or Logic ...but what I would like to do is get a MIDI interface so I can record a track, with a loop from my JamMan, and the add a serperate track(s) with still another loop and keep it sync'd via MIDI clock from Vegas. This would allow me to create multiple textures via the loops, rather than stuff a loop full of stuff, and then OD on it,real-time, in Vegas.... MidiMan makes a few of these kinds of devices: Midisport, which is both 1x1 or 2x2 (or even 8x8, but that is way too much MIDI for my limited application). It connects to the PC via USB. I was wonderin' about the efficiency and latency of the USB. Any thoughts? The JamMAn itself has some MIDI latency issues, and I have steered clear of USB, until now, because of those very same issues. MidiMan also makes the Portman which, I believe, is the same thing, but hooked up via series/parallel ports on the computer. Anybody use these, or similar devices...or even have some other concept for syncing multiple JamMan loop'd tracks? Thanks in advance.....Max _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 14:41:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04908; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 14:40:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 14:40:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BDDCA39.B9BBD0A3@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:29:29 +0000 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Best effects processor. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9CvelD.A.XMB.HCb37@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "italoop@libero.it" wrote: > > Claude wrote: > > delay times of 9 X 1/4, 17 X 1/16 > > something as simple as: give me a 3 1/8 delay time on the right and 9 > > 1/8 on the left and 12 1/16 on the center all related to the clock > > its a very intuitive way to build up multitap delays sequences that go > > over the bar > > and there are delay ratios to the clock that cannot be obtained by the > > usual way (5,4,3,2 bars,dot whole, whole, etc....) > > > > Claude > > You can do the same thing with a different approach in Eclipse. Just a > matter of knowing your time signatures and polyrhythms subdivisions > better. > > best regards > Italo Italo I know y time sig and stuff its just that I cannot see how you would attain even with the extended values you described a delay time that is something like 3 quarter notes + a dotted 8th wich could _also_ be described in a DDelay soft as 51 x 1/16 the exact delay time (in msecs) being calculated from the DDelay tempo (midi clock or as a preset tempo) I like the strange "Canons" that can occur sometimes when you do setups like that and play to a 4/4 drum pattern that synces the delay time I think this would be a much more instinctive way to enter delay times by choosing the ref value (1/8 ,1/4, trip etc _and_ how many I want of them as my delay time; also, when you search for the right delay time by ear it would be more musical to scroll the delay times by increasing the nb of eight you want than go thru all the intermediate values you dont want to hear (on stage) Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 14:46:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05212; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 14:44:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 14:44:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.174.121.53] From: "Patrick Bailey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Attn : Line 6 DL4 loopers - need L xW Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 11:43:51 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Oct 2001 19:43:51.0595 (UTC) FILETIME=[0915BFB0:01C160B2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Max, this helped a lot.... >From: "max valentino" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Attn : Line 6 DL4 loopers - need L xW >Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:25:39 > > >Hi...it's 10"(l)x 6" (w)...but allow a coupla inches for plugs on the >backside, even if you use right angled plugs or "think" that once it is on >there you won't be plugging/unplugging. >You also want to allow some room for the power supply which is 3"x2" and >not >a wall wart. The transformer is ilsolated from the plug (one of those half >way down the ac cord kinda deals). >Some folks have questioned being able to drive it from DC power like the >Voodoo Pedal Power. I have not found that to work. On my board (which is >just a SKB Ps25; I don't use the on board DC outlets there as they are very >noisy) I bought a small Isobar (the 4 outlet kind), which has surge protect >and EMF. That can power my DL4, MM4, TC SCF and MIDI pedal. >Hope that helps...Max > >>From: "Patrick Bailey" >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Attn : Line 6 DL4 loopers - need L xW >>Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:19:19 -0800 >> >> >>Soon I hope to be slapping a DL4 on to my pedalboard, but I only have a >>small area left on the board to put it on. Any DL4 users care to give me >>the >>dimensions? Can't seem to find them anywhere on the Line 6 site, which is >>strange, considering they post all kinds of manuals and such. >> >>much appreciated, >>P. >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp >> > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 14:46:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05298; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 14:45:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 14:45:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 11:40:16 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: Repeater & EDP: Ideas for synergy In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.2.20011029094634.02c0d510@mulder.intermag.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011029094634.02c0d510@mulder.intermag.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:27 AM -0800 10/29/01, Mark Pulver wrote: >To deal with my personal nightmare, I'm running an multi-port MIDI >interface (Opcode Studio 4) along with an 8 port merger from Philip >Rees. I wouldn't recommend the Rees unit though, it works fine, but >tends to run very hot. Speaking of "hot," earlier generations of the Studio 4 tended to lose their programming when overheated. If any of you ever have such problems, just give the Studio 4 some air space. There was a firmware fix for this, but unfortunately it's almost impossible to get these days. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 14:56:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05626; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 14:50:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 14:50:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:50:08 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: Re: Best effects processor. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: "italoop@libero.it" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-XaM3-API-Version: 1.1.9.1.39.1.2 X-SenderIP: 212.171.134.46 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA05591 Resent-Message-ID: <9t7ARC.A.qXB.CMb37@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Claude wrote: > Italo > > I know y time sig and stuff its just that I cannot see how you would > attain even with the extended values you described a delay time that is > something like 3 quarter notes + a dotted 8th > wich could _also_ be described in a DDelay soft as 51 x 1/16 the exact > delay time (in msecs) being calculated from the DDelay tempo (midi clock > or as a preset tempo) > I like the strange "Canons" that can occur sometimes when you do setups > like that and play to a 4/4 drum pattern that synces the delay time > > I think this would be a much more instinctive way to enter delay times > by choosing the ref value (1/8 ,1/4, trip etc _and_ how many I want of > them as my delay time; also, when you search for the right delay time by > ear it would be more musical to scroll the delay times by increasing the > nb of eight you want than go thru all the intermediate values you dont > want to hear (on stage) Claude I understand what you are asking for! It's cool! Actually our DSP7000/7500 and ORVILLE processors allow these cool math tricks! They are open platforms where users can totally build algorithms with audio/control/modulation & math modules. It can be easily done using Eventide downloadable freeware VSIGFILE, on a Windows PC. Eclipse has already MANY cool subdivisions and if you want to get DEEP into polyvoice polyrhythms, those units are beyond anything you can try on the market. We have programs for those tasks on the bigger boxes. best regards Italo De Angelis best regards From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 15:04:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07214; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:02:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:02:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sashjo@ulster.net Message-Id: <200110292001.PAA07166@hemlock.violacea.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Pics of Klein Guitar Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 20:01:32 GMT X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.20 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Everyone, Last week I posted my Klein Guitar for sale for $2500. If anyone is interested in seeing pictures please e mail me and I will e mail the pictures to you. Thanks. Josh Colow --------------------------------------------- This message was sent via the BiznessOnline.com webmail system. http://www.biznessonline.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 15:12:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07665; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:10:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:10:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011029120610.04eac3b8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:07:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Repeater & EDP: Ideas for synergy In-Reply-To: <00ce01c160a6$7b2e6400$080210ac@jpalmer> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the upcoming next-generation EDP software has this function. it intelligently passes through any midi command not intended for it, with very low latency. kim At 10:21 AM 10/29/2001, jim palmer wrote: >i've been thinking about this a bit over the last few weeks as i try to get my >looper rig together for gigging. obviously one could use a midi merger to >get control >information and sync from one to the other, but wouldn't it be better if >the devices >had an option to merge midi in with midi out? this would simplify things >quite a bit i think... > >whadyasay matthias? can this be added to the edp? > > > > > > Neil Goldstein > > Portland, Oregon > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: rich [mailto:rich@nuvisionsca.com] > > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 9:32 AM > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Subject: RE: Repeater & EDP: Ideas for synergy > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I realize the biggest drag about using either EDP or Repeater as clock > > > >master to the other is that midi commands from my foot > > > controller will only > > > be seen by the master unit. > > > > > > huh? could not the footcontroller be setup to send multiple commands > > > on different midi channels (one for the EDP and one for the > > > Repeater)? i've been playing with this a bit on a Rolls Midiwizard, > > > controlling a jamman and a mofx. > > > > > > don't the EDP and Repeater pass midi thru? > > > > > > rich > > > > > > Yes I've been passing midi through to my EFX too. But think about it: when > > you take the midi OUT of the EDP into the midi IN of the Repeater, you are > > in effect preventing any midi commands entering the Repeater. If you take > > the midi THROUGH from the EDP into the Repeater then you can use your foot > > controller to control both (this is how mine's set up). But then you need a > > 3rd party midi clock keeping it all synced. > > > > Would not mind being proven wrong about this, but it appears if you want to > > use the EDP's clock to control Repeater (or vice versa) you lose lots of > > remote control functionality. > > > > NG > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 15:45:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08968; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:44:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:44:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0FE98FA04927D411A48300D0B77CF9BB0595827D@tiger.middlebury.edu> From: "Christensen, Mark" To: Cc: davidtorn@yahoogroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Loop-Heavy Gig Spam: Middlebury, VT 11/3 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:42:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If there's anybody on the list in the vicinity... Explorations with Electric Guitar: An Evening of (mostly) Improvised Music Mark Christensen, guitar and electronics With Special Guests Keith Watts, drums and Su Lian Tan, flute November 3, Saturday, 8:00 P.M. Middlebury College Center for the Arts, Concert Hall Middlebury, VT From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 15:46:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09016; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:45:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:45:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Loop-Heavy Gig Spam: Middlebury, VT 11/3 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:46:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is Middlebury anywhere near South Royalton? -----Original Message----- From: Christensen, Mark [mailto:mchriste@jaguar.middlebury.edu] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 3:42 PM Cc: davidtorn@yahoogroups.com; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Loop-Heavy Gig Spam: Middlebury, VT 11/3 If there's anybody on the list in the vicinity... 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------=_NextPart_000_01FF_01C16091.B2EEBF80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 16:18:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11422; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:17:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:17:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:17:34 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Eventide Eclipse (was: Best effects processor. (Sync)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <6trq1D.A.qxC.1cc37@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Matthias wrote: >> > > No, thats not what synchronization means. A >> > possible test for sync: >> > > Copy a loop that runs on the Repeater to the >> > Eclipse and then leave >> > > them both running over night and listen in the >> > morning whether the >> > > two sounds still coincide! >> > > To keep the same speed is intersting, to stay in >> > phase is much more difficult. > >Matthias >ECLIPSE looping algorithms are basically delay based loopers, NOT >further data accessing algos or sampler based, like Jamman, Echoplex or >mighty Repeater. They are closer to a pcm42. sure, rather delay than looper >So even the best midiclock sendin unit has some slight shift in the >value, meaning that the audio in the looping delay gets screwed up by >this sync. are you talking about artefacts while correction now? MIDIclock easily be perfect enough to maintain sync over a long time, slight irregularities dont change this, just may increase the artefacts. >You know about this issue, being it about a different >algorithmic approach. >Even tough ECLIPSE is not a looper in the JM,EDP, Repeater style, I >still suggest its use as a looping device, seen what great things Torn, >Fripp and Brook have done with similar technology and still do! sure, great things have been done on tape, too... >40 sec is not bad. >Italo not bad, but its not the point. As long as you use just one loop, the sync fascilities dont matter, but as soon as you want to do rhythmic stuff with either a sequencer or a partner looper, sync is essencial. And you said ECLIPSE had "Absolute Sync" so i had to react... > >Alex wrote: >> Does the Eclipse do this (I can´t test it myself, >> nobody sells it where I live): >> You´re playing against a drum >> machine/sequencer/whatever and... >> 1) Let´s say you made a single loop like on the Jamman >> and maybe you assigned (if possible) to a midi message >> the recording start and stop, does the loop stay in >> sync with the drum machine?. > >Please, read my previous answer to Matthias. >Thank you. > >> 2) You made a patch with an LFO modulating the tremolo >> speed and you assigned it to match 32 cycles per beat, >> does the LFO speed stay in sync with the drum >> machine?. >> Best. >> Alex. > > >Yes, Alex. Lfos will stay in dead sync with a drum machine sending >midiclock to Eclipse! No doubt. > >Best regards >Italo De Angelis >__________________________________________________________________ >EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps >Subscribe: eventidehelps-subscribe@yahoogroups.com >Unsubscribe: eventidehelps-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >List owner: eventidehelps-owner@yahoogroups.com > -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 16:19:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11440; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:17:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:17:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20011029045820.79351.qmail@web10003.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20011029045820.79351.qmail@web10003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:17:34 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Repeater & EDP: Ideas for synergy Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >It seems like one advantage of using the EDP as the >master would be the ability to move thru several >loops of different cycle lengths & have the Repeater >react via its time stretch capability. interesting... you can also change the 8th/cycle while the loop is running. Thus the Repeater would adapt to any multiple of the speed of the EDP. In the upgrade we quantize this clock speed change to loop end on order to maintain the sync of beat one. Neil said >I don't see how the Repeater would time stretch in relation to different EDP >loops. Tempo or pitch stretch commands come via midi CC# in real time (or >via the controls onboard), not in relationship to anything that comes out >the EDP midi out (correct me if I'm wrong). I can see controlling Repeater's >loops via footswitch or midi slider, in relationship to something on the EDP >with midi clock sync, but decisions have to be made by ear (or head). As far as I understood the Repeater it should follow a clock change of the EDP. Such speed change can happen due to different loop length or different 8th/cycle parameter -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 16:19:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11421; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:17:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:17:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003b01c16081$10d61dc0$cac41ed9@oemcomputer> References: <009701c15f54$9c710a30$080210ac@jp almer> <003b01c16081$10d61dc0$cac41ed9@oemcomputer> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:17:34 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Re:Best effects processor. (Sync) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >But why is it that a drum machine synced to a loop of same drum machine >isn't dead on? Seems better when the looper is the master (with the >repeater i also get artifacts when the drum machine is the master), but the >patterns don't ever coincide perfectly... > I dont have a Repeater to test this, and I wonder. Some say its syncs dead on, Mark said the drums was perfect but the EDP was off... I dont know, and I wonder... probably depends strongly on the OS version... I just know that a slaved drum follows the EDP pretty exactly. All three units have some artefacts when they are slaved (I wrote a longer mail about the limitations of MIDI to drive audio correctly). As I heard the JamMan clicks are stronger than the EDP clicks and Repeater probably does not produce clicks but other artefacts that come from time stretching, which hardly can be "dead on"... > > >repeater does this. >> >i synched mine to my edp and left it running for hours. >> >it continuously (repeatedly?) matches it's start point to midi clock... >> >> thats right, JamMan, Repeater and EDP do this, now I wonder about >Eclipse... >> >> > >> >> >> >> No, thats not what synchronization means. A possible test for sync: >> >> Copy a loop that runs on the Repeater to the Eclipse and then leave >> >> them both running over night and listen in the morning whether the >> >> two sounds still coincide! >> > > To keep the same speed is intersting, to stay in phase is much >> >more difficult. >> >> -- >> >> >> ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org >> >> -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 16:20:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11556; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:19:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:19:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:19:41 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Looking for EDP users! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I'm looking to talk with any loopers who are currently using the >Oberheim/Gibson Echoplex. If you use this tool in your productions, >please contact me via email so we can talk about an upcoming project! > >R. Scott Johnson >Product Specialist >Gibson Strings & Accessories >1150 Bowes Rd. >Elgin, IL 60123 USA >Vox: 847.741.7315 ext. 209 >Fax: 847.741.4644 >Email: sjohnson@gibson.com Hi Scott! Sounds really interesting, may I know more about this project? Thank you Matthias -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 16:26:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11983; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:24:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:24:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:21:00 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Looking for EDP users! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com gee, that one went wrong, sorry... >I'm looking to talk with any loopers who are currently using the >Oberheim/Gibson Echoplex. If you use this tool in your productions, >please contact me via email so we can talk about an upcoming project! > >R. Scott Johnson >Product Specialist >Gibson Strings & Accessories >1150 Bowes Rd. >Elgin, IL 60123 USA >Vox: 847.741.7315 ext. 209 >Fax: 847.741.4644 >Email: sjohnson@gibson.com Hi Scott! Sounds really interesting, may I know more about this project? Thank you Matthias -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 16:28:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12139; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:26:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:26:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Apparently-From: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:26:10 -0500 Subject: Drum track - song help From: Mike Feeney To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey all, I've been recording a tune in my spare time that is just 2 acoustic guitars, vox, and bass so far ... And I'm thinking it could really use a percussion or drum track. I'm recording it with a click track so the beat is steady, if that helps ... Would someone be interested in attempting to create a drum or percussion track for me? The song so far is pretty much straight-up 3-minute 4/4 rock/pop... I can send you a file to work with if you want to give it a try. It could also use a lead guitar (or other lead instrument), which I hadn't gotten around to recording yet, so hell, that's up for grabs if someone would like to try that, too. Let me know! Thanks... Mike _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 16:39:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12584; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:37:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:37:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater & EDP: Ideas for synergy Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:35:46 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Oct 2001 21:35:46.0900 (UTC) FILETIME=[ABB7F940:01C160C1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >you can also change the 8th/cycle while the loop is running. >Thus the Repeater would adapt to any multiple of the speed of the EDP. >In the upgrade we quantize this clock speed change to loop end on >order to maintain the sync of beat one. Actually I am pretty sure that the EDP->Repeater syncing problems that Mark and I were having, were a result of my "8th/cycle adjustment ineptitude" rather than some problem with the EDP or Repeater itself. I've noticed in my own repeater/EDP experimentation that if I set up 8th/cycle ahead of time and am careful to record a correct length loop based on my 8th/cycle setup on the EDP, then the repeater syncs perfectly. If I try to set up the EDP loop first then change the 8th/cycle, I run into all kinds of repeater sync problems! Jon _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 16:53:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13141; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:52:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:52:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BDDCF4F.A718EA84@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 13:51:10 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: King Crimson at the Warfield in SF on Nov 14th References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9xQz6.A.xMD.s9c37@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fripp is still going on with is hijinks. Last time I saw them, there was not too much in the way of loops, but he did an oncore where he set up some of his looped "soundscapes". I don't think Belew did any "Beloops" but if you have not seen this band, they are well worth it, IMO. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 16:56:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13285; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:53:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:53:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <018601c160c4$70d63eb0$8645230a@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011029111121.00d91680@mail.groundloops.com> <01f101c16065$362f08a0$0201a8c0@stephen> Subject: Re: How Can I Do This (And What Do I Need) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:55:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I haven't done this one live either, but a _similar_ effect can easily be achieved by: 1) grab a sample 2) reverse the waveform so that it plays backwards 3) process this reversed waveform through a delay line (plugin) 4) reverse again the output from step 3 Now the delayed signal will ramp up before the orignal waveform, which will play forwards as normal. Not exactly what you're going for maybe, but hey it's fun! To get an effect closer to what you might actually be going for, you could use some kind of level control (envelope, manual mix control) to process only the portion of the wave (the 'H' in your example) that you want to stutter in the beginning. It might even be possible to do this 'live' on the can mix and then bring it into the main mix once you're done. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 5:33 AM Subject: Re: How Can I Do This (And What Do I Need) > I'm not sure upon reflection (pun intended) that this is a live trick. Not > knowing how to make a multi-tap do this, I've done something like it with > post-recording processing as follows, using CoolEdit etc: > > 1. Record voice saying "Hello", using a strong "H" perhaps. > 2. Highlight and copy the "He-" part of "Hello". > 3. Rewind selection and Insert using Paste before the "Hello". > 4. Insert enough silence between the "He-" and the "Hello" to suit you. > 5. Copy the "He-" and the silence before "Hello". > 6. Paste-insert it twice at the beginning of the recording. > 7. Insert silence 4-5 seconds on either side of the recording. > 8. Reverse entire selection. > 9. Add reverb to taste. > 10. Reverse entire selection (back to normal direction). > > Stephen Goodman > http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons & Illustrations > http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! > http://www.live365.com/stations/218194 * EarthLight Online / Live! > > "leocavallo" put forth: > > >The effect I am trying to create (it exists), is a multi tap delay, that > > >builds to a cresendo). Sort of like if I said "Hello", (at 120 BPM), the > > >effect would be "H-H-H-Hello", but in tempo, and starting at; say -6 > > >decibles, then going to +20. > > >I have heard this effect in several songs (none come to mind now), but I > > >know it exists ! I am not insane, or am I. > > >Leo Cavallo used something similar in "Stuttering Stravinsky". > > > > probably it was just a sequencing trick.. cut the part you need, copy and > > paste a few times, then apply a volume envelope... could be this? sorry, > > but my memory is so bad... :) > > > > ciao > > leo > > > > > > > > www.groundloops.com > > > > c o o l . s o u n d s & s a m p l e . c d s > > f r e e . s a m p l e s . a r c h i v e > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 17:26:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15688; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 17:25:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 17:25:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater & EDP: Ideas for synergy Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 22:24:03 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Oct 2001 22:24:04.0053 (UTC) FILETIME=[6A8E7050:01C160C8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >i haven't tried this myself, but it does sound like a problem with the >repeater. >maybe it can't handle too radical a change in tempo on the midi clock? This is quite possible. Check out this example: start an EDP loop at 60bpm and sync the repeater change the 8th/cycle to twice as many (doubling the tempo to 120bpm) The repeater ramps up in speed, even going past 120bpm before settling down, I think this is because it gets behind, so it has to go to 130bpm to catch up, then back down to 120. Now imagine if I try to speed up the repeater to nearly its limit. It might try to "overshoot" to catch up, but it can't catch up because that would be over the limit. So it might say "too fast" even if the tempo was theoretically within the limit. Just a theory. Jon _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 17:51:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16761; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 17:50:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 17:50:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:49:57 -0600 From: Mike Killian Subject: Re: OT: King Crimson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3BDDDD15.4050100@swbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 References: <3BDDCF4F.A718EA84@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My ticket arrived today for KC in St. Louis on Nov. 25th!!! Mark Sottilaro wrote: >Fripp is still going on with is hijinks. Last time I saw them, there was >not too much in the way of loops, but he did an oncore where he set up >some of his looped "soundscapes". I don't think Belew did any "Beloops" >but if you have not seen this band, they are well worth it, IMO. > >Mark Sottilaro > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 18:12:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18641; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 18:11:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 18:11:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [199.179.162.32] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: m.lameyer@verizon.net, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How Can I Do This (And What Do I Need) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 17:09:46 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Oct 2001 23:09:47.0053 (UTC) FILETIME=[CD8305D0:01C160CE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here is an example of the effect. You can download it from my YaHoo Briefcase at : http://briefcase.yahoo.com/visionary.rm I have two examples of my attempt to recreate the stutter effect in the song "Stutter" by Joe and Mystikal. The "Aint No Sunshine" loop - , is my latest attempt to duplicating that effect, it is also included in the briefcase for download. Lucien E. Darthard A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It. Cell Phone http://ldarthard.ohgo.com/ ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Michael LaMeyer" Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: Re: How Can I Do This (And What Do I Need) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:55:35 -0500 I haven't done this one live either, but a _similar_ effect can easily be achieved by: 1) grab a sample 2) reverse the waveform so that it plays backwards 3) process this reversed waveform through a delay line (plugin) 4) reverse again the output from step 3 Now the delayed signal will ramp up before the orignal waveform, which will play forwards as normal. Not exactly what you're going for maybe, but hey it's fun! To get an effect closer to what you might actually be going for, you could use some kind of level control (envelope, manual mix control) to process only the portion of the wave (the 'H' in your example) that you want to stutter in the beginning. It might even be possible to do this 'live' on the can mix and then bring it into the main mix once you're done. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 5:33 AM Subject: Re: How Can I Do This (And What Do I Need) > I'm not sure upon reflection (pun intended) that this is a live trick. Not > knowing how to make a multi-tap do this, I've done something like it with > post-recording processing as follows, using CoolEdit etc: > > 1. Record voice saying "Hello", using a strong "H" perhaps. > 2. Highlight and copy the "He-" part of "Hello". > 3. Rewind selection and Insert using Paste before the "Hello". > 4. Insert enough silence between the "He-" and the "Hello" to suit you. > 5. Copy the "He-" and the silence before "Hello". > 6. Paste-insert it twice at the beginning of the recording. > 7. Insert silence 4-5 seconds on either side of the recording. > 8. Reverse entire selection. > 9. Add reverb to taste. > 10. Reverse entire selection (back to normal direction). > > Stephen Goodman > http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons & Illustrations > http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! > http://www.live365.com/stations/218194 * EarthLight Online / Live! > > "leocavallo" put forth: > > >The effect I am trying to create (it exists), is a multi tap delay, that > > >builds to a cresendo). Sort of like if I said "Hello", (at 120 BPM), the > > >effect would be "H-H-H-Hello", but in tempo, and starting at; say -6 > > >decibles, then going to +20. > > >I have heard this effect in several songs (none come to mind now), but I > > >know it exists ! I am not insane, or am I. > > >Leo Cavallo used something similar in "Stuttering Stravinsky". > > > > probably it was just a sequencing trick.. cut the part you need, copy and > > paste a few times, then apply a volume envelope... could be this? sorry, > > but my memory is so bad... :) > > > > ciao > > leo > > > > > > > > www.groundloops.com > > > > c o o l . s o u n d s & s a m p l e . c d s > > f r e e . s a m p l e s . a r c h i v e > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 18:30:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19413; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 18:29:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 18:29:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 18:28:31 -0500 (EST) From: Nick Ring To: Subject: OT: where to get rack rails... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I need to get 1 pair of 8 space rack rails. Where's a good place? I'd like a decent price, especially one not bogged down w/ shipping charges. I live an hour away from albany, and have no real time to even make it out there. thanks for any help, nick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 18:43:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20039; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 18:42:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 18:42:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011029152302.01bdf008@mulder.intermag.com> X-Sender: mpulver@mulder.intermag.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:40:54 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: How Can I Do This (And What Do I Need) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Oct 2001 23:39:39.0593 (UTC) FILETIME=[F9F2EB90:01C160D2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dj Devious D (03:09 PM 10.29.2001) wrote: >Here is an example of the effect. You can download it from my >YaHoo Briefcase at : http://briefcase.yahoo.com/visionary.rm > >I have two examples of my attempt to recreate the stutter effect in >the song "Stutter" by Joe and Mystikal. >The "Aint No Sunshine" loop - , is my latest attempt to duplicating >that effect, it is also included in the briefcase for download. In the September 2001 issue of Keyboard magazine (the US version) there's an interview with BT (Brian Transeau: http://www.btmusic.com/) which goes into a lot of detail about how he does the stutter effect. He's quite the perfectionist, and does more cutting and pasting and trimming and stretching than I would ever think of to make it happen. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 18:55:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20655; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 18:54:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 18:54:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011029152302.01bdf008@mulder.intermag.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011029152302.01bdf008@mulder.intermag.com> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:52:49 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: How Can I Do This (And What Do I Need) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeah, haven't got quite that far into the article yet, but i was struck by his cutting kick drum beats NOT on the zero axis... he said it introduces a mid range bump on the attack that makes them hit harder in the mix. not that i do dance music, but i found that kindof interesting. especially since the default setting in logic (which he uses) is to snap to the zero axis! gotta love those purposeful 'mistakes'. rich >In the September 2001 issue of Keyboard magazine (the US version) >there's an interview with BT (Brian Transeau: >http://www.btmusic.com/) which goes into a lot of detail about how >he does the stutter effect. > >He's quite the perfectionist, and does more cutting and pasting and >trimming and stretching than I would ever think of to make it happen. > > >Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 19:06:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22325; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:04:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:04:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 17:03:26 -0700 From: "Jan Pek" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: swirlee@angelfire.com X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: loop instrument X-Sender-Ip: 152.18.39.0 Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6mjESB.A.qcF.R6e37@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ** >Hey, > >goofing around, I hit a note button on my Roland MC-307 and viola, >the >Repeater INSTANTLY shifted the pitch of my loop at that exact >interval (from >a root note of C) I knew this feature existed, but had not explored >it yet. >Within a few moments, I was playing my loop like an instrument. > >This thing is amazing. ** repetition as trance focalizer spontenaity as nagual connection imagination as reality bedrock ragas in your morning flakes give healing voice and medicate .. i feel that we are approaching a kind of instrument where sound is made from smaller vibrations of sound which spin and repeat. where time is like a disc around which these vibrations rotate. perhaps, we will be able to capture a slice of vibration into a loop, and have it triggerable by some movement of the body, motion of the mind, or press of some key. many independent vibrations of differing moods and lengths will be mixed, pitched and clocked together. the player of the instrument sits at the center of a rotating time pillar, conducting the flow of vibrations and, perhaps, channeling new ones through improv. the instrument will have memory, being able to store looping vibrations on the spot for retrieving back later.. in a very organic way, without disrupting the flow. we will be able to store multiple vibrations together as a larger package of vibration, allowing for total arrangements to be brought back from memory. the memory will persist and grow from session to session, pruning itself of old and unused vibrations, as does human memory. the performer of this instrument will be able to give commands such as 'bring looping vibrations 'gorillas smacking lips' and 'flywings beating' in 2 counts' or 'fade out this arrangement over 8 counts' and 'at the start of the next long count, bring all melodic vibrations down in pitch 4 tones'. or 'track the rhythm in this audio feed and sync our count to it'... all as the pillar vibrations rotate around time without stopping. the performer will also be able to shred up (ala ReCycle) existing vibrations, playing the slices live, perhaps on a keyboard. For example, here is 'shaman sings yak song: oo ka lay oh mani tar' repeating, lets map it key to key, so the rhythmic pulses are cut up. now we can play any rhythm with our deconstructed building blocks: oo ka lay oh mani tar ka lay lay oh mani oo ka tar tar, for example, which means o yak, we milk you for butter tea. with this instrument, we'll be able to manifest and grow song structures live, beyond the basic tapeloop soundscape idea, by drawing from previous material we have created. technically, i envisage a core software engine decoupled from interface, similar to EDP software, with fundamental differences;; multiple loops with varying lengths;; loops stored in frequency domain (PVOC implementation of pitchshift), allowing for pitch-and-timestretch and potentially freqdomain effects in future (perhaps SDIF format-- see CNMAT);; .. front end-- intuitive command macro system for conducting while improvising, multiple inputs and outputs, midi and audio syncronization, keyboard. i wrote a basic prototype last year for MAXMSP, which is available as fripp~.sit on node.net/unmax .. if others want to collect themselves to create something like this freely, we should join forces open-source style. this would free us to create only appropriate technology, and not a big machine to consume us. so its coming, can you feel it descending from the Aastral? slobbery kisses -yon Get 250 color business cards for FREE! http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 19:51:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23810; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:50:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:50:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:49:49 -0500 (EST) From: Elio DeLuca Subject: Re: loop instrument In-reply-to: X-X-Sender: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com men, brother. But if it were up to me ... no software: instead, a digital brain with an analog body ... imagine pumping the vortex of your cerebral cortex through, oh, maybe six or seven dozen FET's!!! Brainscapes? Soulscapes? Cyclotronics? Put Matthias to work on this! On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, Jan Pek wrote: > Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 17:03:26 -0700 > From: Jan Pek > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: loop instrument > Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:04:48 -0500 > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > ** > >Hey, > > > >goofing around, I hit a note button on my Roland MC-307 and viola, >the > >Repeater INSTANTLY shifted the pitch of my loop at that exact >interval (from > >a root note of C) I knew this feature existed, but had not explored >it yet. > >Within a few moments, I was playing my loop like an instrument. > > > >This thing is amazing. > ** > > repetition as trance focalizer > spontenaity as nagual connection > imagination as reality bedrock > ragas in your morning flakes > give healing voice and medicate > > .. i feel that we are approaching a kind of instrument where sound is > made from smaller vibrations of sound which spin and repeat. where > time is like a disc around which these vibrations rotate. perhaps, we > will be able to capture a slice of vibration into a loop, and have it > triggerable by some movement of the body, motion of the mind, or press > of some key. many independent vibrations of differing moods and > lengths will be mixed, pitched and clocked together. the player of the > instrument sits at the center of a rotating time pillar, conducting > the flow of vibrations and, perhaps, channeling new ones through > improv. > > the instrument will have memory, being able to store looping > vibrations on the spot for retrieving back later.. in a very organic > way, without disrupting the flow. we will be able to store multiple > vibrations together as a larger package of vibration, allowing for > total arrangements to be brought back from memory. the memory will > persist and grow from session to session, pruning itself of old and > unused vibrations, as does human memory. > > the performer of this instrument will be able to give commands such as > 'bring looping vibrations 'gorillas smacking lips' and 'flywings > beating' in 2 counts' or 'fade out this arrangement over 8 counts' and > 'at the start of the next long count, bring all melodic vibrations > down in pitch 4 tones'. or 'track the rhythm in this audio feed and > sync our count to it'... all as the pillar vibrations rotate around > time without stopping. > > the performer will also be able to shred up (ala ReCycle) existing vibrations, playing the slices live, perhaps on a keyboard. For example, here is 'shaman sings yak song: oo ka lay oh mani tar' repeating, lets map it key to key, so the rhythmic pulses are cut up. now we can play any rhythm with our deconstructed building blocks: oo ka lay oh mani tar ka lay lay oh mani oo ka tar tar, for example, which means o yak, we milk you for butter tea. > > with this instrument, we'll be able to manifest and grow song structures live, beyond the basic tapeloop soundscape idea, by drawing from previous material we have created. > > technically, i envisage a core software engine decoupled from interface, similar to EDP software, with fundamental differences;; multiple loops with varying lengths;; loops stored in frequency domain (PVOC implementation of pitchshift), allowing for pitch-and-timestretch and potentially freqdomain effects in future (perhaps SDIF format-- see CNMAT);; .. > > front end-- intuitive command macro system for conducting while improvising, multiple inputs and outputs, midi and audio syncronization, keyboard. > > i wrote a basic prototype last year for MAXMSP, which is available as fripp~.sit on node.net/unmax .. if others want to collect themselves to create something like this freely, we should join forces open-source style. this would free us to create only appropriate technology, and not a big machine to consume us. > > so > > its coming, can you feel it descending from the Aastral? > > slobbery kisses > -yon > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 20:07:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25477; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 20:03:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 20:03:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 20:02:30 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: OT: Mac Music mailing list? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is there a mailing list for Macs and Music? I haven't been able to find one... /t http://whatGoes.com ............................. extreme NY calendar. http://TomRitchford.com/endOverEnd ... I'm writing a novel in November. http://fortNY.com ............................... Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 20:14:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25866; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 20:13:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 20:13:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011029201004.007fab00@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 20:10:04 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: OT: Mac Music mailing list? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <6B51mD.A.sTG.R6f37@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You might be able to find something at They claim to link to 2536 mac/music-related sites, including forums. -t- At 08:02 PM 10/29/01 -0500, you wrote: >Is there a mailing list for Macs and Music? > >I haven't been able to find one... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 20:51:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27066; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 20:50:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 20:50:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BDE073A.A0BD35F6@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 17:49:46 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers Subject: Re: loop instrument References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <82QCuD.A.jmG.Mdg37@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Uh, yeah and I like it because it makes cool sounds and shit. > > > repetition as trance focalizer > spontenaity as nagual connection > imagination as reality bedrock > ragas in your morning flakes > give healing voice and medicate > > .. > i feel that we are approaching a kind of instrument where sound is made from smaller vibrations of sound which spin and repeat. where time is like a disc around which these vibrations rotate. perhaps, we will be able to capture a slice of vibration into a loop, and have it triggerable by some movement of the body, motion of the mind, or press of some key. many independent vibrations of differing moods and lengths will be mixed, pitched and clocked together. the player of the instrument sits at the center of a rotating time pillar, conducting the flow of vibrations and, perhaps, channeling new ones through improv. > > the instrument will have memory, being able to store looping vibrations on the spot for retrieving back later.. in a very organic way, without disrupting the flow. we will be able to store multiple vibrations together as a larger package of vibration, allowing for total arrangements to be brought back from memory. the memory will persist and grow from session to session, pruning itself of old and unused vibrations, as does human memory. > > the performer of this instrument will be able to give commands such as 'bring looping vibrations 'gorillas smacking lips' and 'flywings beating' in 2 counts' or 'fade out this arrangement over 8 counts' and 'at the start of the next long count, bring all melodic vibrations down in pitch 4 tones'. or 'track the rhythm in this audio feed and sync our count to it'... all as the pillar vibrations rotate around time without stopping. > > the performer will also be able to shred up (ala ReCycle) existing vibrations, playing the slices live, perhaps on a keyboard. For example, here is 'shaman sings yak song: oo ka lay oh mani tar' repeating, lets map it key to key, so the rhythmic pulses are cut up. now we can play any rhythm with our deconstructed building blocks: oo ka lay oh mani tar ka lay lay oh mani oo ka tar tar, for example, which means o yak, we milk you for butter tea. > > with this instrument, we'll be able to manifest and grow song structures live, beyond the basic tapeloop soundscape idea, by drawing from previous material we have created. > > technically, i envisage a core software engine decoupled from interface, similar to EDP software, with fundamental differences;; multiple loops with varying lengths;; loops stored in frequency domain (PVOC implementation of pitchshift), allowing for pitch-and-timestretch and potentially freqdomain effects in future (perhaps SDIF format-- see CNMAT);; .. > > front end-- intuitive command macro system for conducting while improvising, multiple inputs and outputs, midi and audio syncronization, keyboard. > > i wrote a basic prototype last year for MAXMSP, which is available as fripp~.sit on node.net/unmax .. if others want to collect themselves to create something like this freely, we should join forces open-source style. this would free us to create only appropriate technology, and not a big machine to consume us. > > so > > its coming, can you feel it descending from the Aastral? > > slobbery kisses > -yon > > Get 250 color business cards for FREE! > http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 20:53:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27176; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 20:51:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 20:51:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BDE078E.F856981F@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 17:51:10 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: loop instrument References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I especially like it when it goes, "weeeeeeeeahhhhhhhhhrrrrrrrrrrrrrzz zz zzz zzz hmmmmmmmm PRTTTTTTTTTTTgggr. Elio DeLuca wrote: > men, brother. > > But if it were up to me ... no software: instead, a digital brain with an > analog body ... imagine pumping the vortex of your cerebral cortex > through, oh, maybe six or seven dozen FET's!!! > > Brainscapes? Soulscapes? Cyclotronics? > > Put Matthias to work on this! > > On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, Jan Pek wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 17:03:26 -0700 > > From: Jan Pek > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: loop instrument > > Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:04:48 -0500 > > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > ** > > >Hey, > > > > > >goofing around, I hit a note button on my Roland MC-307 and viola, >the > > >Repeater INSTANTLY shifted the pitch of my loop at that exact >interval (from > > >a root note of C) I knew this feature existed, but had not explored >it yet. > > >Within a few moments, I was playing my loop like an instrument. > > > > > >This thing is amazing. > > ** > > > > repetition as trance focalizer > > spontenaity as nagual connection > > imagination as reality bedrock > > ragas in your morning flakes > > give healing voice and medicate > > > > .. i feel that we are approaching a kind of instrument where sound is > > made from smaller vibrations of sound which spin and repeat. where > > time is like a disc around which these vibrations rotate. perhaps, we > > will be able to capture a slice of vibration into a loop, and have it > > triggerable by some movement of the body, motion of the mind, or press > > of some key. many independent vibrations of differing moods and > > lengths will be mixed, pitched and clocked together. the player of the > > instrument sits at the center of a rotating time pillar, conducting > > the flow of vibrations and, perhaps, channeling new ones through > > improv. > > > > the instrument will have memory, being able to store looping > > vibrations on the spot for retrieving back later.. in a very organic > > way, without disrupting the flow. we will be able to store multiple > > vibrations together as a larger package of vibration, allowing for > > total arrangements to be brought back from memory. the memory will > > persist and grow from session to session, pruning itself of old and > > unused vibrations, as does human memory. > > > > the performer of this instrument will be able to give commands such as > > 'bring looping vibrations 'gorillas smacking lips' and 'flywings > > beating' in 2 counts' or 'fade out this arrangement over 8 counts' and > > 'at the start of the next long count, bring all melodic vibrations > > down in pitch 4 tones'. or 'track the rhythm in this audio feed and > > sync our count to it'... all as the pillar vibrations rotate around > > time without stopping. > > > > the performer will also be able to shred up (ala ReCycle) existing vibrations, playing the slices live, perhaps on a keyboard. For example, here is 'shaman sings yak song: oo ka lay oh mani tar' repeating, lets map it key to key, so the rhythmic pulses are cut up. now we can play any rhythm with our deconstructed building blocks: oo ka lay oh mani tar ka lay lay oh mani oo ka tar tar, for example, which means o yak, we milk you for butter tea. > > > > with this instrument, we'll be able to manifest and grow song structures live, beyond the basic tapeloop soundscape idea, by drawing from previous material we have created. > > > > technically, i envisage a core software engine decoupled from interface, similar to EDP software, with fundamental differences;; multiple loops with varying lengths;; loops stored in frequency domain (PVOC implementation of pitchshift), allowing for pitch-and-timestretch and potentially freqdomain effects in future (perhaps SDIF format-- see CNMAT);; .. > > > > front end-- intuitive command macro system for conducting while improvising, multiple inputs and outputs, midi and audio syncronization, keyboard. > > > > i wrote a basic prototype last year for MAXMSP, which is available as fripp~.sit on node.net/unmax .. if others want to collect themselves to create something like this freely, we should join forces open-source style. this would free us to create only appropriate technology, and not a big machine to consume us. > > > > so > > > > its coming, can you feel it descending from the Aastral? > > > > slobbery kisses > > -yon > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 20:54:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26960; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 20:47:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 20:47:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20011029201004.007fab00@pop.metrocast.net> References: <3.0.5.32.20011029201004.007fab00@pop.metrocast.net> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 20:30:37 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: OT: Mac Music mailing list? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >You might be able to find something at > >They claim to link to 2536 mac/music-related sites, including forums. yes, they were the ONLY list I found but it's in French. my French isn't that bad, perhaps I should just bite the bullet... /t (NB: expect a loop nyc update within the next day... though still haven't heard back from any venues... :-( ) http://whatGoes.com ............................. extreme NY calendar. http://TomRitchford.com/endOverEnd ... I'm writing a novel in November. http://fortNY.com ............................... Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 22:14:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA32285; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 22:13:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 22:13:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 20:24:04 -0600 From: Craque To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Hypercardioid mic suggestions Message-ID: <20011029202404.A7093@silence.metatronpress.com> References: <200110300107.UAA25610@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200110300107.UAA25610@hemlock.violacea.com>; from Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com on Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 08:07:16PM -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <-iZf8D.A.H4H.Brh37@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Loopers, I have a quandry. What do folks here recommend as a good hypercardioid microphone? Essentially I'm interested in the narrowest possible polar pattern to enable better direct pickup of a sound with the least amount of other sounds coming through. Obviously this depends partially on mic placement, but I wonder if people have had better luck with some models than others in getting an extremely directional pattern - maybe I need to look into rifle mics? This would be my first step into the world of high-end microphones, so any advice from loopers who sample live instruments and/or objects would be appreciated. Thanks! matt http://craque.net (ps - my Repeater (along with many other looping devices) in action at http://craque.net/miquez/aidscare2001.html) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 29 22:32:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00515; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 22:31:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 22:31:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:30:53 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Multiple Repeaters In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is anyone working with more than one Repeater? I have two, and I'm working on control systems to use them both synchronously and asynchronously. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 30 07:39:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA27321; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 07:37:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 07:37:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 10:37:57 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: loop instrument Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >men, brother. > >But if it were up to me ... no software: instead, a digital brain with an >analog body ... imagine pumping the vortex of your cerebral cortex >through, oh, maybe six or seven dozen FET's!!! > >Brainscapes? Soulscapes? Cyclotronics? > >Put Matthias to work on this! You got me, this IS what I am working on, really, thats why the upgrade is comes so slowly... ;-) Do you play as nice as you write, Jan? Thank you Matthias -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 30 08:49:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA30632; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 08:48:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 08:48:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007701c16145$c38b2b80$c9c41ed9@oemcomputer> From: "Bruce Comens" To: References: <009701c15f54$9c710a30$080210ac@jpalmer> <003b01c16081$10d61dc0$cac41ed9@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Re:(Sync) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 14:20:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The slaved drum machine seems to follow the Repeater (with the new OS) exactly if you've recorded music, but if you've actually recorded the drum loop, you realize it's slightly off (and repeats exactly the same way). Perhaps that's just midi? But when the Repeater is slaved to the machine it's even further off, quite wacky. For that matter, the built-in metronome also seems to do odd things in relation to the drum machine, which just doesn't make sense to me. The drum machine is a DR-770, so it should be dead on....but i'll try to get hold of another drum machine to check it out. > I dont have a Repeater to test this, and I wonder. Some say its syncs > dead on, Mark said the drums was perfect but the EDP was off... I > dont know, and I wonder... probably depends strongly on the OS > version... > I just know that a slaved drum follows the EDP pretty exactly. > All three units have some artefacts when they are slaved (I wrote a > longer mail about the limitations of MIDI to drive audio correctly). > As I heard the JamMan clicks are stronger than the EDP clicks and > Repeater probably does not produce clicks but other artefacts that > come from time stretching, which hardly can be "dead on"... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 30 10:41:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04189; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 10:39:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 10:39:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20011030104427.00ab2ec0@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: robert@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 10:45:40 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: rack & rail Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_947692==_.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_947692==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed where you live? in nyc, you can just go to sam ash pro, upstairs on broadway at 49th st. if wanna go catalog, i like full compass systems in wisconsin. just, as it is said, my $.02 a:c Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 18:28:31 -0500 (EST) From: Nick Ring To: Subject: OT: where to get rack rails... Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi all, I need to get 1 pair of 8 space rack rails. Where's a good place? I'd like a decent price, especially one not bogged down w/ shipping charges. I live an hour away from albany, and have no real time to even make it out there. thanks for any help, nick ++++++++ just what the world needs.... another frikkin url --=====================_947692==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
where you live?

in nyc, you can just go to sam ash pro, upstairs on broadway at 49th st.

if wanna go catalog, i like full compass systems in wisconsin.

just, as it is said, my $.02

a:c

Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 18:28:31 -0500 (EST)
From: Nick Ring <nick@simons-rock.edu>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Subject: OT: where to get rack rails...
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Hi all,
I need to get 1 pair of 8 space rack rails. Where's a good place? I'd
like a decent price, especially one not bogged down w/ shipping charges.
I live an hour away from albany, and have no real time to even make it out
there.
thanks for any help,
nick

++++++++
just what the world needs....
another frikkin url
--=====================_947692==_.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 30 11:34:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07475; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 11:33:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 11:33:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 08:32:39 -0800 Subject: Re: loop instrument From: Mark Sottilaro To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <37mlaB.A.Q0B.BZt37@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 10/30/01 5:37 AM, Matthias Grob at matthias@grob.org wrote: >> men, brother. >> >> But if it were up to me ... no software: instead, a digital brain with an >> analog body ... imagine pumping the vortex of your cerebral cortex >> through, oh, maybe six or seven dozen FET's!!! >> >> Brainscapes? Soulscapes? Cyclotronics? >> >> Put Matthias to work on this! > > You got me, this IS what I am working on, really, thats why the > upgrade is comes so slowly... ;-) > > Do you play as nice as you write, Jan? > > Thank you > Matthias Hey! What about me?! Weeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaahhhhhhhaaaewwwwwwef babababablelelelele. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 30 11:42:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07750; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 11:38:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 11:38:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 08:37:52 -0800 Subject: Re: (Sync) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007701c16145$c38b2b80$c9c41ed9@oemcomputer> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8Lrx-D.A.w4B.2dt37@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 10/30/01 5:20 AM, Bruce Comens at bcomens@corelli.nexus.it wrote: > The slaved drum machine seems to follow the Repeater (with the new OS) > exactly if you've recorded music, but if you've actually recorded the drum > loop, you realize it's slightly off (and repeats exactly the same way). > Perhaps that's just midi? But when the Repeater is slaved to the machine > it's even further off, quite wacky. For that matter, the built-in metronome > also seems to do odd things in relation to the drum machine, which just > doesn't make sense to me. The drum machine is a DR-770, so it should be > dead on....but i'll try to get hold of another drum machine to check it out. > >> I dont have a Repeater to test this, and I wonder. Some say its syncs >> dead on, Mark said the drums was perfect but the EDP was off... I >> dont know, and I wonder... probably depends strongly on the OS >> version... >> I just know that a slaved drum follows the EDP pretty exactly. >> All three units have some artefacts when they are slaved (I wrote a >> longer mail about the limitations of MIDI to drive audio correctly). >> As I heard the JamMan clicks are stronger than the EDP clicks and >> Repeater probably does not produce clicks but other artefacts that >> come from time stretching, which hardly can be "dead on"... > > Interesting. I duplicated the experiment that Kim suggested, where I recorded a drum pattern that was coming out of the same drum machine that was providing the Electrix synch. I had good results. Tried it several times with different beta versions of the software, and they all seemed good. The only one I have not tried was the official release of version 1.1 I'll give it a whirl tonight and see how it behaves. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 30 11:44:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07984; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 11:43:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 11:43:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Posted-Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 17:40:58 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <009001c16161$a032f2a0$2456623e@default> From: "Max Power" To: References: Subject: R: How Can I Do This (And What Do I Need) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 17:39:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think that the effect you have listened is produced by a sampler. If you have got one the procedure is the following: 1. Sample the loop [hello, for ex] 2. Associate it to a key of your master keyboard 3. Make shure that the volume is modulated by the velocity (or by another midi controller) 4. Play it on the keyboard or whit the sequencer (one note every 1/4 or 1/8) and apply an envelope (the envelope will control the midi controller that you have selected...) I use this method... usually I apply an effect like an echo or a long reverb Max Power ----- Original Message ----- From: Dj Devious D To: Cc: Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 2:18 AM Subject: How Can I Do This (And What Do I Need) > Ok, I have been in the mix game for some years, and there are still aspects > of it, that I have not mastered. > There's an effect, I am trying to duplicate (on my PC, using Sound Forge > 5.0, (and all it's Plugins), ACID 3.0, and Cool Edit Pro and FruityLoops > 3.3) > The effect I am trying to create (it exists), is a multi tap delay, that > builds to a cresendo). Sort of like if I said "Hello", (at 120 BPM), the > effect would be "H-H-H-Hello", but in tempo, and starting at; say -6 > decibles, then going to +20. > I have heard this effect in several songs (none come to mind now), but I > know it exists ! I am not insane, or am I. > Leo Cavallo used something similar in "Stuttering Stravinsky". > I have a lot of Direct X Plugins, so I am sure one of them can produce this > effect. I just know what it is called.... PLEASE HALP !!!!! > > Lucien E. Darthard > A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It. > Cell Phone > http://ldarthard.ohgo.com/ > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 30 13:11:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13568; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 13:09:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 13:09:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Scott Wilson" To: Subject: RE: Hypercardioid mic suggestions Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 13:10:05 -0500 Message-ID: <000301c1616e$1a8ba220$95da14ab@dwfearn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20011029202404.A7093@silence.metatronpress.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Maybe you could provide us with a little more information about what you will be miking... the environment/context of it, and what your budget is. Chances are, I think you will want just a normal cardioid mike. They have the best coloration to directionality ratio, and in most instances is exactly what you need. looking ar a hypercardioid, you get better off-axis results, at the expense of opening up the back-end of the mike to some sound... continuing through the spectrum, a figure 8 has the best off-axis attenuation, at the expense of having equal magnitudes at either side of the mike... shotguns are a different beast all together, and have the most coloration of any mikes. hardly what you need unless you are miking something like dialogue from a distance... again, it's up to what you are miking, how you're planning on miking it, why you're miking it that way, if you're planning on using this mike for anything else ever, and how much money you've got. -Scott From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 30 14:35:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18043; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 14:33:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 14:33:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: TomHeasley@aol.com Message-ID: <151.3399ce5.291059dc@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 14:30:36 EST Subject: Re: Eventide Eclipse Ooooops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: javier_bayouth@sweetwater.com, alexander_jenkins@sweetwater.com, heasley@hypnos.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_151.3399ce5.291059dc_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10540 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_151.3399ce5.291059dc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Italo, et.al., Perhaps shit is right. I have two Eclipses at the house presently. I received my first from Sweetwater 2-3 days before going on tour in August. I was enamored enough of it's sounds, that I played a dozen solo concerts using just a couple of presets (234 mostly) in conjunction with the DL4. However, the "famous" knob was not straight/true. The packaging that it arrived in didn't look like a factory job to me. Sweetwater sent me another one which sat here unopened for two months. The new one also has a knob that isn't true, although a little closer than the first. The little bank of 15 number/arrow/enter keys on the right hand side of the unit were, on the first unit, hard black plastic, sticking out about 1/16". On the replacement unit those have been replaced by charcoal gray rubber keys that stick out about 3/16". This seems odd to me, but maybe is common with new products...also, the lettering at the far right, says Harmonizer Effects Processo (sic). With the replacement unit, the level indicator is lit up with nothing going thru it (the two bottom 'circles' - 40 & 28 - are constantly lit). You should hear the lovely pops when I change programs...Any suggestions from the list about this problem in particular? Anyone from Eventide on this list? I'll be calling Sweetwater later today. I'm upset that this is happening with the most expensive piece of equipment that I've ever owned (besides a tuba or car), and because I'm leaving again in less than a week to play concerts in Minneapolis, Pittsburgh and Oberlin... I'm particularly upset because I also LOVE the thing... Any help/advice (esp. with the levels) would be welcome. Best, Tom Heasley --part1_151.3399ce5.291059dc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Italo, et.al.,

Perhaps shit is right.

I have two Eclipses at the house presently.  I received my first from Sweetwater 2-3 days before going on tour in August.  I was enamored enough of it's sounds, that I played a dozen solo concerts using just a couple of presets (234 mostly) in conjunction with the DL4.  However, the "famous" knob was not straight/true.  The packaging that it arrived in didn't look like a factory job to me.  

Sweetwater sent me another one which sat here unopened for two months.  The new one also has a knob that isn't true, although a little closer than the first.  The little bank of 15 number/arrow/enter keys on the right hand side of the unit were, on the first unit, hard black plastic, sticking out about 1/16".  On the replacement unit those have been replaced by charcoal gray rubber keys that stick out about 3/16".  This seems odd to me, but maybe is common with new products...also, the lettering at the far right, says Harmonizer Effects Processo (sic).

With the replacement unit, the level indicator is lit up with nothing going thru it (the two bottom 'circles' - 40 & 28 - are constantly lit).  You should hear the lovely pops when I change programs...Any suggestions from the list about this problem in particular?  Anyone from Eventide on this list?  I'll be calling Sweetwater later today.

I'm upset that this is happening with the most expensive piece of equipment that I've ever owned (besides a tuba or car), and because I'm leaving again in less than a week to play concerts in Minneapolis, Pittsburgh and Oberlin...

I'm particularly upset because I also LOVE the thing...

Any help/advice (esp. with the levels) would be welcome.

Best,

Tom Heasley

--part1_151.3399ce5.291059dc_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 30 15:28:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21118; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 15:26:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 15:26:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BDEFEF1.C50BD221@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 13:44:06 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hypercardioid mic suggestions References: <200110300107.UAA25610@hemlock.violacea.com> <20011029202404.A7093@silence.metatronpress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Craque wrote: > Hi Loopers, > > I have a quandry. What do folks here recommend as a good hypercardioid > microphone? Essentially I'm interested in the narrowest possible polar > pattern to enable better direct pickup of a sound with the least amount > of other sounds coming through. > > Obviously this depends partially on mic placement, but I wonder if people > have had better luck with some models than others in getting an extremely > directional pattern - maybe I need to look into rifle mics? > > This would be my first step into the world of high-end microphones, so any > advice from loopers who sample live instruments and/or objects would be > appreciated. > > Thanks! > > matt > http://craque.net > > (ps - my Repeater (along with many other looping devices) in action at > http://craque.net/miquez/aidscare2001.html) well, i don't have much advice for you, but i know who i'd ask if i was in your shoes: www.tapeop.com if you email them with a little more info about what you are trying to record, you may get feedback (no pun intended) from a variety of pro engineers who regularly respond to their "letters to tapeop" section. likes of: jack endino, tony visconti, phill brown and other well-(or lesser well-)known folks... lance g. ps their server seems to be down at the moment tho... pps cool site. craquehaus...i like that! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 30 16:20:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24445; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 16:18:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 16:18:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 22:17:16 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Re: Eventide Eclipse Ooooops MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: "italoop@libero.it" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-XaM3-API-Version: 1.1.9.1.39.1.2 X-SenderIP: 212.171.129.47 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA24335 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Tom I am sorry to hear about all these problems, man! Let's try to seal with them and make you a satisfied Eventide user. First of all, did you mailed Eventide about all I read here? I just forwarded your posting to them; I want them to take care of you. > I have two Eclipses at the house presently. I received my first from > Sweetwater 2-3 days before going on tour in August. I was enamored enough of it's sounds, that I played a dozen solo concerts using just a couple of presets (234 mostly) in conjunction with the DL4. I know what you man! The sound of these units is awesome!!! We just put out a new OS on the web, free to download and install in ANY Eclipse unit. It's V1.101: many cool features have been added and others have been perfectioned. Did you register your unit sending the warranty card in? That's the way to get the web address for the update! Contact me offlist, please. (italoop@libero.it) >However, the "famous" knob > was not straight/true. The packaging that it arrived in didn't look >like a factory job to me. > Sweetwater sent me another one which sat here unopened for two >months. The new one also has a knob that isn't true, although a >little closer than the first. The little bank of 15 >number/arrow/enter keys on the right hand side of the unit were, on >the first unit, hard black plastic, sticking out about 1/16". On the >replacement unit those have been replaced by charcoal gray rubber keys >that stick out about 3/16". This seems odd to me, but maybe is >common with new products...also, the lettering at the far right, says >Harmonizer Effects Processo (sic). We will try to figure out what happened to those units! Sometimes there can be many reasons why things like these can happen, even if they should NOT happen, I agree! The buttons have been changed in the newer units so to make them easier to push. That's official. Again, the knob and lettering issues are already on Eventide desk. We should hear from them very soon. > With the replacement unit, the level indicator is lit up with nothing >going thru it (the two bottom 'circles' - 40 & 28 - are constantly >lit). You should hear the lovely pops when I change programs...Any >suggestions from the list about this problem in particular? Anyone >from Eventide on this list? > I'll be calling Sweetwater later today. I have seen those leds on sometimes but usually the
    button (overload clear) in the menu, after hitting clears them. Try . > I'm upset that this is happening with the most expensive piece of >equipment > that I've ever owned (besides a tuba or car), and because I'm leaving >again > in less than a week to play concerts in Minneapolis, Pittsburgh and >Oberlin... > > I'm particularly upset because I also LOVE the thing... > > Any help/advice (esp. with the levels) would be welcome. > > Best, > > Tom Heasley Tom you have all reasons to be upset! Eventide will contact you and try yo figure out how to solve the whole thing quick and right. You should have a perfectly working ECLIPSE and be able to enjoy its great sounds in your music. best regards Italo De Angelis _____________________________________________________________ EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 30 16:32:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25032; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 16:30:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 16:30:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 15:29:48 -0600 From: Mike Killian Subject: Boomerang Woes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3BDF1BCC.9070203@swbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anybody have any experience with Boomerang service? I need to get one of my units serviced and they have not responded to my e-mails or phone messages. I've already had to do one gig with only one boomerang and have more upcoming. Perhaps I should be looking into a Repeater. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 30 17:09:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27694; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 17:07:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 17:07:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 17:05:40 -0500 Subject: Re: Suggestion for EDP update From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200110302028.PAA21226@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3087306340_1847432_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3087306340_1847432_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Say, Matthias, this is a bit late, but I've been meaning to suggest a merge function for the EDP -- wouldn't it be cool to be able to merge two loops together? Especially if loop time copy is on and you're working with different loops of the same length. --MS_Mac_OE_3087306340_1847432_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Suggestion for EDP update Say, Matthias, this is a bit late, but I've been meaning to = suggest a merge function for the EDP -- wouldn't it be cool to be able to me= rge two loops together?  Especially if loop time copy is on and you're = working with different loops of the same length. --MS_Mac_OE_3087306340_1847432_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 30 17:16:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28104; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 17:15:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 17:15:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005601c16190$33e4c4a0$0601a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: OT: Sound Module Opinions Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 14:14:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0053_01C1614D.20059F60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C1614D.20059F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am looking to buy a JV-1080, 2080, or reluctantly something in an even = higher price range- I am just looking for some user's opinions as to = limitations or concerns with these- I like the 1080 for it's reasonable = cost- 2080 has nicer interface, but the xv-5080 is especially nice as = it samples and Akai import support via scsi (much more expensive = though)- would it be better to just get an older sampler of some sort? = Thanks-=20 Cliff ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C1614D.20059F60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    I am looking to buy a JV-1080, 2080, = or reluctantly=20 something in an even higher price range- I am just looking for = some user's=20 opinions as to limitations or concerns with these- I like the 1080 for = it's=20 reasonable cost- 2080 has nicer interface,  but the xv-5080 is = especially=20 nice as it samples and Akai import support via scsi (much more expensive = though)- would it be better to just get an older sampler of some = sort? =20 Thanks-
     
    Cliff
    ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C1614D.20059F60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 30 17:31:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28625; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 17:28:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 17:28:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 16:28:09 -0600 Subject: Re: Tablas and looping revisited From: Alec Vance To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007601c157a8$1c0fbc00$0201a8c0@stephen> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 10/18/01 2:40 AM, "Stephen P. Goodman" wrote: > This has probably come up before, but does anyone have any links to sound > files containing tabla sounds, such as one would use for Fruity Loops etc.? Check this out: http://www.swarsystems.com/ Software for composing Indian rhythms! You can download a trial version; it comes with samples, in WAV format I believe. --------------------------------------------- Alec Vance http://www.chefmenteur.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 30 19:13:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02060; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 19:12:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 19:12:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <107.7d6a52d.29109b82@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 19:10:42 EST Subject: Re: loop instrument To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_107.7d6a52d.29109b82_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_107.7d6a52d.29109b82_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/29/01 7:04:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, swirlee@angelfire.com writes: > i feel that we are approaching a kind of instrument where sound is made from > --part1_107.7d6a52d.29109b82_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
    In a message dated 10/29/01 7:04:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, swirlee@angelfire.com writes:



    i feel that we are approaching a kind of instrument where sound is made from smaller vibrations of sound which spin and repeat.....etc.



    jan.....go to it!!!!.....fun stuff.....:)m

    --part1_107.7d6a52d.29109b82_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 30 19:36:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02774; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 19:34:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 19:34:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c161a3$b6431e20$0601a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Om_Audio \(Clifford Novey\)" To: References: Subject: Re: Tablas and looping revisited Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 16:33:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Search for sample cds and look for samples there- http://www.soundsonline.com/ percussion, world beat, etc.- I personaly find the Swar Systems sounds to be lifeless- to be honest- the best ones I've got I sampled myself from professional recordings- Cliff PS- You might like Abracatabla from Talvin Singh- although more geared for Western style pop music IMO- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alec Vance" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 2:28 PM Subject: Re: Tablas and looping revisited > On 10/18/01 2:40 AM, "Stephen P. Goodman" wrote: > > > This has probably come up before, but does anyone have any links to sound > > files containing tabla sounds, such as one would use for Fruity Loops etc.? > > Check this out: > > http://www.swarsystems.com/ > > Software for composing Indian rhythms! You can download a trial version; it > comes with samples, in WAV format I believe. > > --------------------------------------------- > Alec Vance http://www.chefmenteur.org > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 30 20:04:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03564; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 19:58:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 19:58:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.148.1.91] From: "Peter Underwood" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Sound Module Opinions Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 17:57:24 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Oct 2001 00:57:24.0732 (UTC) FILETIME=[010063C0:01C161A7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Cliff, I've got a 1080 and I dig it. For the cost its sounds+features are very nice for any studio or rig, not too mention hard to beat. My only big peeve with my unit is that there seems to be a big difference in output between patches, which can be a pain but is only a little annoying. I would say that very soon after purchasing it I wished that I had spent the extra cash for the 2080 though. The better interface is reason enough, but I guarantee you that (if you are anything like me) four expansion board slots will no be enough for you. Both these units can be found for a song right now, so I would say go for the 2080. It can't be anywhere near as much more as it was when I bought my 1080. I can't comment on whether the 5080 is worth the extra greenbacks. I'm not sure what the current price diff is.Sampler support is nice to have and from instore listenings it does sound a little nicer. The XVs do use a different expansion board format than the JVs, which is a bit more expensive and I'm not sure if there are as many available. Might be something that you want to investigate before deciding. -pete >From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: "Loopers Delight" >Subject: OT: Sound Module Opinions >Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 14:14:02 -0800 > >I am looking to buy a JV-1080, 2080, or reluctantly something in an even >higher price range- I am just looking for some user's opinions as to >limitations or concerns with these- I like the 1080 for it's reasonable >cost- 2080 has nicer interface, but the xv-5080 is especially nice as it >samples and Akai import support via scsi (much more expensive though)- >would it be better to just get an older sampler of some sort? Thanks- > >Cliff _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 30 20:17:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05388; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 20:16:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 20:16:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c161a9$879d8820$0601a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: Subject: Re: OT: Sound Module Opinions Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 17:15:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <0MSJM.A.AUB.eD137@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Pete- my friend who manages a GC in AZ said to consider the Triton Rack actually- he said it samples and does tons more- he said the 5080 only plays back samples and cannot sample itself- but the 5080 and Triton are in the $1200-$1500 range- I can get a 2080 for prob less than $700- so it becomes an issue to sample or not to sample- but I like the idea of a sound module only- Thanks again- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Underwood" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 4:57 PM Subject: Re: OT: Sound Module Opinions > Hey Cliff, > > I've got a 1080 and I dig it. For the cost its sounds+features are very nice > for any studio or rig, not too mention hard to beat. My only big peeve with > my unit is that there seems to be a big difference in output between > patches, which can be a pain but is only a little annoying. I would say that > very soon after purchasing it I wished that I had spent the extra cash for > the 2080 though. The better interface is reason enough, but I guarantee you > that (if you are anything like me) four expansion board slots will no be > enough for you. Both these units can be found for a song right now, so I > would say go for the 2080. It can't be anywhere near as much more as it was > when I bought my 1080. > > I can't comment on whether the 5080 is worth the extra greenbacks. I'm not > sure what the current price diff is.Sampler support is nice to have and from > instore listenings it does sound a little nicer. The XVs do use a different > expansion board format than the JVs, which is a bit more expensive and I'm > not sure if there are as many available. Might be something that you want to > investigate before deciding. > > -pete > > > >From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: "Loopers Delight" > >Subject: OT: Sound Module Opinions > >Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 14:14:02 -0800 > > > >I am looking to buy a JV-1080, 2080, or reluctantly something in an even > >higher price range- I am just looking for some user's opinions as to > >limitations or concerns with these- I like the 1080 for it's reasonable > >cost- 2080 has nicer interface, but the xv-5080 is especially nice as it > >samples and Akai import support via scsi (much more expensive though)- > >would it be better to just get an older sampler of some sort? Thanks- > > > >Cliff > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 30 20:44:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06312; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 20:43:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 20:43:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.148.1.91] From: "Peter Underwood" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Sound Module Opinions Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 18:41:57 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Oct 2001 01:41:57.0671 (UTC) FILETIME=[3A328370:01C161AD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh yeah, if you are gonna spend the cash, go for the Triton. Those things sound amazing. Not too mention the rhythmic capabilities make it great for looping! However, if money is the big factor, (and when is it not) I suggest getting the 2080 and a good, mid-priced sampler (I looked on ebay and AKAI S2000s and S3000s seem to go for around $300 and $500 respectively, not bad at all). If you are looking mainly to get a great synth and sampler all in one package for as little money as possible, another option is getting a used Kurzweil. I've got a K2000RS. Its their lower end system, and it still rocks. Great synth and sampler all in one. Lots of options. I got it for $1000 used, and that was years ago. They're probably cheaper now. Of course I should warn you to take my $.02 with a grain of salt. I'm a bass player with a small studio, not a real synthesist or keyboard player, so you might want to wait for some more professional opinions. I'm sure that you can find a package that will work for you though, I guess it all depends on how much you are wanting/willing to spend. -pete >From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: OT: Sound Module Opinions >Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 17:15:25 -0800 > >Thanks Pete- my friend who manages a GC in AZ said to consider the Triton >Rack actually- he said it samples and does tons more- he said the 5080 only >plays back samples and cannot sample itself- but the 5080 and Triton are in >the $1200-$1500 range- I can get a 2080 for prob less than $700- so it >becomes an issue to sample or not to sample- but I like the idea of a sound >module only- Thanks again- Cliff >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Peter Underwood" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 4:57 PM >Subject: Re: OT: Sound Module Opinions > > > > Hey Cliff, > > > > I've got a 1080 and I dig it. For the cost its sounds+features are very >nice > > for any studio or rig, not too mention hard to beat. My only big peeve >with > > my unit is that there seems to be a big difference in output between > > patches, which can be a pain but is only a little annoying. I would say >that > > very soon after purchasing it I wished that I had spent the extra cash >for > > the 2080 though. The better interface is reason enough, but I guarantee >you > > that (if you are anything like me) four expansion board slots will no be > > enough for you. Both these units can be found for a song right now, so I > > would say go for the 2080. It can't be anywhere near as much more as it >was > > when I bought my 1080. > > > > I can't comment on whether the 5080 is worth the extra greenbacks. I'm >not > > sure what the current price diff is.Sampler support is nice to have and >from > > instore listenings it does sound a little nicer. The XVs do use a >different > > expansion board format than the JVs, which is a bit more expensive and >I'm > > not sure if there are as many available. Might be something that you >want >to > > investigate before deciding. > > > > -pete > > > > > > >From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" > > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >To: "Loopers Delight" > > >Subject: OT: Sound Module Opinions > > >Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 14:14:02 -0800 > > > > > >I am looking to buy a JV-1080, 2080, or reluctantly something in an >even > > >higher price range- I am just looking for some user's opinions as to > > >limitations or concerns with these- I like the 1080 for it's reasonable > > >cost- 2080 has nicer interface, but the xv-5080 is especially nice as >it > > >samples and Akai import support via scsi (much more expensive though)- > > >would it be better to just get an older sampler of some sort? Thanks- > > > > > >Cliff > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 30 20:52:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06648; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 20:51:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 20:51:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BDF0521.DDC67FC8@pseudobuddha.com> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 19:53:07 +0000 From: Bobdog Reply-To: bobdog@pseudobuddha.com Organization: Pseudo Buddha X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Using Phrazer live - pros & cons? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi all - i'm in a situation where my favorite drummer in the world keeps leaving my little town, causing my group to shut down periodically. in an attempt to keep moving on we are considering using the phrazer application w/a pile of pre-recorded percussion loops as our main beat maker when he's gone. any thoughts? bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 30 21:55:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09903; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:54:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:54:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BDF13F4.438D105C@pseudobuddha.com> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 20:56:21 +0000 From: Bobdog Reply-To: bobdog@pseudobuddha.com Organization: Pseudo Buddha X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Using Phrazer live - pros & cons? References: <3BDF0521.DDC67FC8@pseudobuddha.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Well, what would be the pro's and cons as you see it? pro - i don't have to shut down my band when gil travels. would possibly move the band towards a more electronic sound; change is good con - lack of dynamic, lack of natural ebb & flow in improvisational music stability (is it gonna crash?) > > What are your requirements? intuitive interactivity. we play a very stream-of-conciousness kind of improvisational thing; i don't want to have to become dj bobdog, but i would like to be able to shape the movement of a tune by activating different tracks as the mood calls for it. kinda like being able to do variations on a theme each time a specific set of tracks is used. we definitely do not want to play the exact same thing every time we load a set of tracks (or a "song" if you will) > Are you asking about the useability > of this program specifically? yes i'm looking for reviews/opinions of phrazer as a live tool, but i'm also interested in reading folks' opinions of using sonic foundry acid live since phrazer seems to based heavily on acid. thanks for any input! bobdog > >we are considering using the phrazer > > application w/a pile of pre-recorded percussion loops as our > >main beat maker > > > > any thoughts? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 30 23:47:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15734; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 23:45:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 23:45:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008d01c161c7$2394b920$0812fea9@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <3BDF0521.DDC67FC8@pseudobuddha.com> <3BDF13F4.438D105C@pseudobuddha.com> Subject: hive mind music (Was Re: Using Phrazer live - pros & cons?) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 23:47:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <07A3yD.A.e1D.bH437@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm a little all over the place, but here's some thoughts, off the cuff .... > pro - i don't have to shut down my band when gil travels. > would possibly move the band towards a more electronic sound; > change is good got that > con - lack of dynamic, > lack of natural ebb & flow in improvisational music > stability (is it gonna crash?) right > > What are your requirements? > > intuitive interactivity. we play a very stream-of-conciousness kind of > improvisational thing; i don't want to have to become dj bobdog, but i > would like to be able to shape the movement of a tune by activating > different tracks as the mood calls for it. kinda like being able to do > variations on a theme each time a specific set of tracks is used. we > definitely do not want to play the exact same thing every time we load a > set of tracks (or a "song" if you will) Hmmm, it seems possible to do a lot of pre-production and try to architect as many different feel/part variations, but that doesn't sound very intuitively interactive, and you'll still need some way to determine which part plays when and the most accessible ways would be musician triggering (dj bob) or sequencing (perhaps with dj bob determining which sequence plays when = dj bob). Seems like you're begging for something that will respond to the players dynamics in some way, and I haven't stretched acid to that point yet, didn't think actually that it would necessarily be very conducive to that approach. Unless you can use all prearranged parts, and then hit a switch when you want to 'hold' a pattern or move to the next one. > > Are you asking about the useability > > of this program specifically? > > yes i'm looking for reviews/opinions of phrazer as a live tool, but i'm > also interested in reading folks' opinions of using sonic foundry acid > live since phrazer seems to based heavily on acid. Haven't used phrazer, have used acid. If defining a bunch of regions based around phrases and mapping them to footswitches or or triggering via sequencer or something would work for you, then this software might do it. As far as stability, can't speak for mac, but on pc (and probably any system) the best thing to do would be to dedicate a machine to this function, don't put on anything you don't need, and test first, rigorously. And have an identical backup machine handy to plug in (hardware failures can just happen) or you'll be sorry. I think it would probably be pretty stable this way, but I've never tried using acid as much of an interactive tool, just a straight up compositional one. If you're going to use samples, I think sticking to a few base patterns, defining regions around various parts of the mix, triggering the regions playback via midi noteons manually or with a sequencer, and maybe dropping in fills and such manually somehow, would be an approach that the software might be best suited for, but not you. I've pondered this question myself. I think you may need to look beyond something like phrazer or acid, but feel free to experiement of course. Others may have gone here with that software, but I haven't yet. Having said that, here's a brainstorm ramble: Depart from traditional percussion arrangements. I was considering taking atomic elements of electronic percussion and processing them so that they have more of a rhythmic element besides *Wack!, quickly fade to black*. For example, instead of having a kick drumish sound consisting of a click and a sine wav fading out, what about a kick drum with more than one *wack* in it (so to speak) or different kinds of *wack* that imparted some kind of rhythmic meaning and would make that atomic sound more like a rhythmic phrase, without necessarily becoming one itself. Get a waveform convoluter and see what happens when you convolve a trad. percussion sound with something else entirely, like crickets, or speech. Get a bucket of various tidbits like these together and see what happens when they overlap, patterns would form. In other words, stop considering a drum sound as a drum sound necessarily separate from other drum sounds (like kick versus snare versus hat, etc). Give your kick some hat groove aspects, make your snare hit trail some bleeps or something at the end. The real groovy trick would be to get stuff like this happening in response to your playing of course. I play around with a piece of shareware software called Tuareg, a wav arranger with a very simple interface premise that leads to some very intuitive arrangement futzing. I posted a blurb on it a while back in response to a query regarding audio plugins, even though it wasn't an audio plugin (oops, sorry Rick), and I'm not suggesting you could use this live (needs a new version with zero-crossing processing and external midi control of all functions), but I've literally started out with a single pattern and easily come up with a dozen or more interesting variations in the span of a half hour, just by futzing with the gating and rearranging tools. Those two elements alone had tremendous potential. One idea I had was to somehow use midi or instrument audio signal/voltage (this would be best imho) to act as a control element that had some kind of direct relationship to what the musicians are doing, have some way of manipulating this relationship (perhaps by having one musician's signal modulate another's), and then plug this into both tone generation sources and direct modulation of said sources through triggered gating, delays, or some other kind of processing. For example, let's say you've got a guy on bass playing some notes. Split the audio signal from this instrument into two channels. One channel would go out to the mix like normal, the other channel wouldn't end up directly in the mix at all but would be used as a control signal. Maybe gate this control signal to give it more of a switchlike shape (on/off, low/high, etc). Then, send this signal to a triggered gate, or set of triggered gates, perhaps after sending it through some kind of delay that would track tempo from the bass signal itself, or some other signal like a tap, or the midi clock from a looper device or sequencer. Now, feed a tone source consisting of either prearranged rhythmic loops (perhaps cross faded with other loops, and have the cross fade controlled by some other signal - like another musicians audio, or even percussive sounds/loops generated by the other musicians like string noises, instrument body tapping noises, or synths played by other musicians, or whatever). Now, imagine a band of musicians all generating these signals and interrelate them in various ways, and stand back!!! The result might be hard to control or predict, depending on the complexity of the interrelationships, and what the musicians are doing. But the potential for something interesting and dynamic is fascinating, and this approach would be just as applicable for other types of arrangements besides percussion (like having the musicians trigger volume/filter/other envelopes for each other, or for each other's delayed signals that wouldn't be audible until triggered). *brains begin oozing out onto the floor* Of course, it might be kinda tricky to get that tight ass, swinging funk groove with this approach, ya never know. Nothing like a drummer but a drummer, maaaaahhhhhn ..... Love, Mike From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 31 01:35:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA21298; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 01:34:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 01:34:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 23:45:03 -0600 From: Craque To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hypercardioid mic suggestions Message-ID: <20011030234503.A11839@silence.metatronpress.com> References: <200110310447.XAA15912@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200110310447.XAA15912@hemlock.violacea.com>; from Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com on Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 11:47:23PM -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <0WUkZD.A.PMF.Yt537@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Scott Wilson and Lance G. for your comments on the mic question... I'll check out tapeop.com - that sounds cool! Ok, I think I should probably explain a little bit of my setup for you to understand why I want a highly-directional mic... In my performing I loop small instruments and objects and the like, mostly fairly small in size and sound - these are things like little party favors, small percussion, bird calls, rocks, sticks, etc. Because I'm often using this technique in a dance-music setting, it's pretty loud where I'm performing, requiring me to be extremely careful with mic placement and gain. I do already use a normal cardioid mic (Audio-Technica DR-150), but it doesn't quite seem to be enough... maybe I'm just out of luck with the high S/N ratio I'm dealing with in a dance-music situation, but I'm determined to at least try and figure it out the best I can. So, to summarize: I need the ability to sample relatively quiet sounds in a relatively noisy environment and keep the integrity of the small sounds. and glad you like craque.net! i welcome comments on the sounds there too. :) matt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 31 02:08:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA23480; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 02:07:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 02:07:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 23:05:03 -0800 From: Doug Lawrence Subject: Re: Hypercardioid mic suggestions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: craque@metatronpress.com Message-id: <001801c161da$5dc7bb20$0482c83f@allindlaw> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200110300107.UAA25610@hemlock.violacea.com> <20011029202404.A7093@silence.metatronpress.com> <3BDEFEF1.C50BD221@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not sure if you're looking to use the mic in a live or studio setting ... but I have an Audio Technica ATM63HE that fits your description for live use. http://www.audiotechnica.com/prodpro/profiles/ATM63HE.html It's actually a very sensitive mic with great side noise rejection and quite warm sounding ... I have already used it on guitar cabinets instead of an SM 57 since I thought it sounded better to my ears. It's also only about $150 They also make many other useful models that are hypercardoid as well ... ----- Original Message ----- From: "lance glover" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 12:44 PM Subject: Re: Hypercardioid mic suggestions > Craque wrote: > > > Hi Loopers, > > > > I have a quandry. What do folks here recommend as a good hypercardioid > > microphone? Essentially I'm interested in the narrowest possible polar > > pattern to enable better direct pickup of a sound with the least amount > > of other sounds coming through. > > > > Obviously this depends partially on mic placement, but I wonder if people > > have had better luck with some models than others in getting an extremely > > directional pattern - maybe I need to look into rifle mics? > > > > This would be my first step into the world of high-end microphones, so any > > advice from loopers who sample live instruments and/or objects would be > > appreciated. > > > > Thanks! > > > > matt > > http://craque.net > > > > (ps - my Repeater (along with many other looping devices) in action at > > http://craque.net/miquez/aidscare2001.html) > > well, > > i don't have much advice for you, but i know who i'd ask if i was in your > shoes: > > www.tapeop.com > > if you email them with a little more info about what you are trying to > record, you may get feedback (no pun intended) from a variety of pro > engineers who regularly respond to their "letters to tapeop" section. likes > of: jack endino, tony visconti, phill brown and other well-(or lesser > well-)known folks... > > lance g. > > ps their server seems to be down at the moment tho... > > pps cool site. craquehaus...i like that! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 31 08:49:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA08520; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 08:47:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 08:47:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00be01c16212$ff84a120$b262f93f@looppool> From: "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" To: References: <200110310447.XAA15912@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: re: Hypercartiod microphones Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 05:50:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <5UjNDC.A.bEC.jDA47@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I absoltuley love my AKG C1000S, condenser microphone. I has a plastic capsule that makes the mic extremely hypercartiod, enough so that I can have very high monitoring volumes with a condeser microphone which, as you know , is very rare. good luck in your search, yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 31 10:24:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15049; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:21:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:21:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 13:21:26 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Suggestion for EDP update Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Re: Suggestion for EDP update
    Steve said bigly:
    Say, Matthias, this is a bit late, but I've been meaning to suggest a merge function for the EDP -- wouldn't it be cool to be able to merge two loops together?  Especially if loop time copy is on and you're working with different loops of the same length.

    Good idea, but too late really. And no button free for it.
    And for the next model I have a different idea for this... we will talk about it!
    --


             ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org
    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 31 12:37:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22185; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 12:33:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 12:33:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20011031122029.00ab2d10@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: robert@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 12:39:13 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: hypercardioid Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_2504993==_.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_2504993==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed hey. hypercardioids will reject a significant amount of off-axis information, but they don't beam a pinpoint pickup pattern. i'm don't know how directional you need the mic to be, and it's possible that only a shotgun will work for you. but, you asked about hypercard's, and here's my $.02: you have a lot of money, world is your oyster. you have not too much money, here's what i use: akg c87 mkIII not fabulous but nice enough, and way cheap considering (again, i am impelled to recommend full compass systems). also quite flexible in that it allows the option of AA battery power, for those location gigs where no phantom is available. one example - i find that it makes a good hi-hat mic since it rejects off-axis sounds which are (luckily!) also not in the frequency range of the sound the mic trained on. so a little eq helps you out there as well. also akg C3000 is multipattern and offers hyper as one of the selections. NB: the newer, C3000B is cardiod-only, you'll need to find a used 3000 but if it's in good shape the price should really be right. the sound quality of the 3000 is actually surprisingly nice, tho it's sensitivity makes it seem like the hyper pattern is less tight. phantom only on that bad boy. if you really want the hots, check the sennheiser 441 - supercardioid, mulitple rolloff frequencies... oooh la la! a:c Craque wrote: > Hi Loopers, > > I have a quandry. What do folks here recommend as a good hypercardioid > microphone? Essentially I'm interested in the narrowest possible polar > pattern to enable better direct pickup of a sound with the least amount > of other sounds coming through. > > Obviously this depends partially on mic placement, but I wonder if people > have had better luck with some models than others in getting an extremely > directional pattern - maybe I need to look into rifle mics? > > This would be my first step into the world of high-end microphones, so any > advice from loopers who sample live instruments and/or objects would be > appreciated. > ++++++++ just what the world needs.... another frikkin url --=====================_2504993==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
    hey.

    hypercardioids will reject a significant amount of off-axis information, but they don't beam a pinpoint pickup pattern. i'm don't know how directional you need the mic to be, and it's possible that only a shotgun will work for you.

    but, you asked about hypercard's, and here's my $.02:

    you have a lot of money, world is your oyster.
    you have not too much money, here's what i use:

    akg c87 mkIII

    not fabulous but nice enough, and way cheap considering (again, i am impelled to recommend full compass systems). also quite flexible in that it allows the option of AA battery power, for those location gigs where no phantom is available. one example - i find that it makes a good hi-hat mic since it rejects off-axis sounds which are (luckily!) also not in the frequency range of the sound the mic trained on. so a little eq helps you out there as well.

    also

    akg C3000

    is multipattern and offers hyper as one of the selections.  NB:  the newer, C3000B is cardiod-only,  you'll need to find a used 3000 but if it's in good shape the price should really be right. the sound quality of the 3000 is actually surprisingly nice, tho it's sensitivity makes it seem like the hyper pattern is less tight. phantom only on that bad boy.

    if you really want the hots, check the sennheiser 441 - supercardioid, mulitple rolloff frequencies... oooh la la!


    a:c
     

    Craque wrote:
    > Hi Loopers,
    >
    > I have a quandry. What do folks here recommend as a good hypercardioid
    > microphone? Essentially I'm interested in the narrowest possible polar
    > pattern to enable better direct pickup of a sound with the least amount
    > of other sounds coming through.
    >
    > Obviously this depends partially on mic placement, but I wonder if people
    > have had better luck with some models than others in getting an extremely
    > directional pattern - maybe I need to look into rifle mics?
    >
    > This would be my first step into the world of high-end microphones, so any
    > advice from loopers who sample live instruments and/or objects would be
    > appreciated.
    >

    ++++++++
    just what the world needs....
    another frikkin url
    --=====================_2504993==_.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 31 13:08:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24793; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 13:06:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 13:06:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003f01c16236$d3f6afc0$0dc2d63f@oemcomputer> From: "Rich Kroll" To: References: <3BDF1BCC.9070203@swbell.net> Subject: Re: Boomerang Woes Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 13:06:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rich Kroll" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mike, The people at boomerarang are great. The problems is there are only a few of them. If you could fax the info to them I'm sure you'ld get a response within a day or two. Thats the quickest way to get a response. btw: there fax # is on the web site www.bomerangmusic.com The way the waranty works is just to send it to: If returning your unit, please send it to: Boomerang Musical Products; 305 Easton Rd.; Dallas, TX 75218 With the details and a receipt (if you didn't mail in your card) Hope that helps Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Killian" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 4:29 PM Subject: Boomerang Woes > Anybody have any experience with Boomerang service? I need to get one > of my units serviced and they have not responded to my e-mails or phone > messages. I've already had to do one gig with only one boomerang and > have more upcoming. Perhaps I should be looking into a Repeater. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 31 13:10:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24993; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 13:09:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 13:09:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004401c16237$34150280$0dc2d63f@oemcomputer> From: "Rich Kroll" To: References: <3BDF1BCC.9070203@swbell.net> Subject: Re: Boomerang Woes Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 13:09:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rich Kroll" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mike , Here is a copy of the waranty statment: Boomerang Musical Products, Ltd. guarantees your Boomerang Phrase Sampler to be free from defects in materials and workmanship for one (1) year from the date of purchase. This warranty is void if the unit has been abused in any way (dropped, exposed to moisture, etc.) We suggest that you fill out and return the enclosed warranty card, although it is not required for the warranty to take effect. We do, however, require that a dated proof of purchase be retained throughout the warranty period. If it becomes necessary to return your unit to the factory, you will be responsible for the cost of shipping to us. Do not return the unit to the dealer, but ship it directly to us. Always insure a valuable item like the Rang when shipping. Please contact us before returning a unit. Our telephone is 800-530-4699 or 214-340-6913; our fax is 214-343-1038; our email is mnelson@dmans.com. Securely package the unit including a description of the problem, a copy of your dated proof of purchase, your phone number, a complete "return to" address and ship to: Boomerang Musical Products, Ltd.; Attn: Mike Nelson; 305 Easton Rd.; Dallas, TX 75218 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Killian" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 4:29 PM Subject: Boomerang Woes > Anybody have any experience with Boomerang service? I need to get one > of my units serviced and they have not responded to my e-mails or phone > messages. I've already had to do one gig with only one boomerang and > have more upcoming. Perhaps I should be looking into a Repeater. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 31 14:00:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27743; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 13:59:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 13:59:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 12:58:05 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: hive mind music (Was Re: Using Phrazer live - pros & cons?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <008701c1623d$f924cc30$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3BDF0521.DDC67FC8@pseudobuddha.com> <3BDF13F4.438D105C@pseudobuddha.com> <008d01c161c7$2394b920$0812fea9@melon> Resent-Message-ID: <_ofbgB.A.lfG.XnE47@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com those using windows might want to investigate directmusic. it's part of directx now and allows the composition of music that responds to programmable input's. it is mostly implemented with midi and used for games, but it's possible uses are far greater and it can do synthesis and sampled audio as well... it is based on the superjam technology that microsoft acquired from blue ribbon sound works (anybody remember them?) this is yet another thing that i have been meaning to get into, but haven't had the time... >... > > Depart from traditional percussion arrangements. I was > considering taking atomic elements of electronic percussion and > processing them so that they have more of a rhythmic element > besides *Wack!, quickly fade to black*. For example, instead of > having a kick drumish sound consisting of a click and a sine wav > fading out, what about a kick drum with more than one *wack* in > it (so to speak) or different kinds of *wack* that imparted some > kind of rhythmic meaning and would make that atomic sound more > like a rhythmic phrase, without necessarily becoming one itself. > Get a waveform convoluter and see what happens when you convolve > a trad. percussion sound with something else entirely, like > crickets, or speech. Get a bucket of various tidbits like these > together and see what happens when they overlap, patterns would > form. In other words, stop considering a drum sound as a drum > sound necessarily separate from other drum sounds (like kick > versus snare versus hat, etc). Give your kick some hat groove > aspects, make your snare hit trail some bleeps or something at > the end. > > The real groovy trick would be to get stuff like this happening > in response to your playing of course. I play around with a > piece of shareware software called Tuareg, a wav arranger with a > very simple interface premise that leads to some very intuitive > arrangement futzing. I posted a blurb on it a while back in > response to a query regarding audio plugins, even though it > wasn't an audio plugin (oops, sorry Rick), and I'm not > suggesting you could use this live (needs a new version with > zero-crossing processing and external midi control of all > functions), but I've literally started out with a single pattern > and easily come up with a dozen or more interesting variations > in the span of a half hour, just by futzing with the gating and > rearranging tools. Those two elements alone had tremendous > potential. > > One idea I had was to somehow use midi or instrument audio > signal/voltage (this would be best imho) to act as a control > element that had some kind of direct relationship to what the > musicians are doing, have some way of manipulating this > relationship (perhaps by having one musician's signal modulate > another's), and then plug this into both tone generation sources > and direct modulation of said sources through triggered gating, > delays, or some other kind of processing. > > For example, let's say you've got a guy on bass playing some > notes. Split the audio signal from this instrument into two > channels. One channel would go out to the mix like normal, the > other channel wouldn't end up directly in the mix at all but > would be used as a control signal. Maybe gate this control > signal to give it more of a switchlike shape (on/off, low/high, > etc). Then, send this signal to a triggered gate, or set of > triggered gates, perhaps after sending it through some kind of > delay that would track tempo from the bass signal itself, or > some other signal like a tap, or the midi clock from a looper > device or sequencer. Now, feed a tone source consisting of > either prearranged rhythmic loops (perhaps cross faded with > other loops, and have the cross fade controlled by some other > signal - like another musicians audio, or even percussive > sounds/loops generated by the other musicians like string > noises, instrument body tapping noises, or synths played by > other musicians, or whatever). Now, imagine a band of musicians > all generating these signals and interrelate them in various > ways, and stand back!!! The result might be hard to control or > predict, depending on the complexity of the interrelationships, > and what the musicians are doing. But the potential for > something interesting and dynamic is fascinating, and this > approach would be just as applicable for other types of > arrangements besides percussion (like having the musicians > trigger volume/filter/other envelopes for each other, or for > each other's delayed signals that wouldn't be audible until > triggered). > > *brains begin oozing out onto the floor* > > Of course, it might be kinda tricky to get that tight ass, > swinging funk groove with this approach, ya never know. Nothing > like a drummer but a drummer, maaaaahhhhhn ..... > > Love, > > Mike > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 31 14:43:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29528; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 14:41:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 14:41:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0FE98FA04927D411A48300D0B77CF9BB05958289@tiger.middlebury.edu> From: "Christensen, Mark" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Hypercartiod microphones (+ Tabla content) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 14:40:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <3LbHx.A.LNH.PPF47@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I absoltuley love my AKG C1000S, condenser microphone. this is a fantastic mic for tablas. Swapan Chaudhuri brought his to a gig i mixed for him and i was knocked out. m.c. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 31 15:01:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31329; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 14:59:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 14:59:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BE04A16.91E14D7D@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 13:19:50 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hypercartiod microphones (+ Tabla content) References: <0FE98FA04927D411A48300D0B77CF9BB05958289@tiger.middlebury.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Christensen, Mark" wrote: > > > I absoltuley love my AKG C1000S, condenser microphone. > > this is a fantastic mic for tablas. Swapan Chaudhuri brought his to a gig i > mixed for him and i was knocked out. > > m.c. i have a couple of c1000s mics that i use for everything from percussion to vox (with pop filter, tbs) to acoustic guitar...they do sound pretty darned good...and at us$200 it's hard to complain about cost! lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 31 15:03:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30095; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 14:56:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 14:56:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ef01c16245$dcd1ffa0$38f62618@mtgmry1.md.home.com> Reply-To: "diatom drone" From: "diatom drone" To: References: <0FE98FA04927D411A48300D0B77CF9BB05958289@tiger.middlebury.edu> Subject: Re: Hypercartiod microphones (+ Tabla content) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 14:54:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com is this a good mic for sampling in general? i've been collecting junk to make acoustic instruments out of and all i have is an sm57 so i've been putting it off. i really want to do some pieces with my tibetan singing bowl vs found "gongs" and other objects. i've been in the mood to switch gears from circuit-bending as a sound souce back to scavenging for overlooked acoustic sources. any tips in the general direction would be very cool. i mean i'd LOVE a pair of akg 414s but who has that kind of cash laying around? c1000s are more in my price range so if they're what i'm after that'd be great! Jon > > > > > I absoltuley love my AKG C1000S, condenser microphone. > > this is a fantastic mic for tablas. Swapan Chaudhuri brought his to a gig i > mixed for him and i was knocked out. > > m.c. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 31 15:11:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31901; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 15:09:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 15:09:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BE05A10.ABCC1ED0@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 12:07:44 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: hive mind music (Was Re: Using Phrazer live - pros & cons?) References: <3BDF0521.DDC67FC8@pseudobuddha.com> <3BDF13F4.438D105C@pseudobuddha.com> <008d01c161c7$2394b920$0812fea9@melon> <008701c1623d$f924cc30$080210ac@jpalmer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com check this out as well, I played with the demo and it seemed pretty sweet: http://www.ableton.com/ will synch to midi Mark Sottilaro jim palmer wrote: > those using windows might want to investigate directmusic. > it's part of directx now and allows the composition of music > that responds to programmable input's. > it is mostly implemented with midi and used for games, > but it's possible uses are far greater and it can do synthesis > and sampled audio as well... > > it is based on the superjam technology that microsoft acquired > from blue ribbon sound works (anybody remember them?) > > this is yet another thing that i have been meaning to get into, > but haven't had the time... > > >... > > > > Depart from traditional percussion arrangements. I was > > considering taking atomic elements of electronic percussion and > > processing them so that they have more of a rhythmic element > > besides *Wack!, quickly fade to black*. For example, instead of > > having a kick drumish sound consisting of a click and a sine wav > > fading out, what about a kick drum with more than one *wack* in > > it (so to speak) or different kinds of *wack* that imparted some > > kind of rhythmic meaning and would make that atomic sound more > > like a rhythmic phrase, without necessarily becoming one itself. > > Get a waveform convoluter and see what happens when you convolve > > a trad. percussion sound with something else entirely, like > > crickets, or speech. Get a bucket of various tidbits like these > > together and see what happens when they overlap, patterns would > > form. In other words, stop considering a drum sound as a drum > > sound necessarily separate from other drum sounds (like kick > > versus snare versus hat, etc). Give your kick some hat groove > > aspects, make your snare hit trail some bleeps or something at > > the end. > > > > The real groovy trick would be to get stuff like this happening > > in response to your playing of course. I play around with a > > piece of shareware software called Tuareg, a wav arranger with a > > very simple interface premise that leads to some very intuitive > > arrangement futzing. I posted a blurb on it a while back in > > response to a query regarding audio plugins, even though it > > wasn't an audio plugin (oops, sorry Rick), and I'm not > > suggesting you could use this live (needs a new version with > > zero-crossing processing and external midi control of all > > functions), but I've literally started out with a single pattern > > and easily come up with a dozen or more interesting variations > > in the span of a half hour, just by futzing with the gating and > > rearranging tools. Those two elements alone had tremendous > > potential. > > > > One idea I had was to somehow use midi or instrument audio > > signal/voltage (this would be best imho) to act as a control > > element that had some kind of direct relationship to what the > > musicians are doing, have some way of manipulating this > > relationship (perhaps by having one musician's signal modulate > > another's), and then plug this into both tone generation sources > > and direct modulation of said sources through triggered gating, > > delays, or some other kind of processing. > > > > For example, let's say you've got a guy on bass playing some > > notes. Split the audio signal from this instrument into two > > channels. One channel would go out to the mix like normal, the > > other channel wouldn't end up directly in the mix at all but > > would be used as a control signal. Maybe gate this control > > signal to give it more of a switchlike shape (on/off, low/high, > > etc). Then, send this signal to a triggered gate, or set of > > triggered gates, perhaps after sending it through some kind of > > delay that would track tempo from the bass signal itself, or > > some other signal like a tap, or the midi clock from a looper > > device or sequencer. Now, feed a tone source consisting of > > either prearranged rhythmic loops (perhaps cross faded with > > other loops, and have the cross fade controlled by some other > > signal - like another musicians audio, or even percussive > > sounds/loops generated by the other musicians like string > > noises, instrument body tapping noises, or synths played by > > other musicians, or whatever). Now, imagine a band of musicians > > all generating these signals and interrelate them in various > > ways, and stand back!!! The result might be hard to control or > > predict, depending on the complexity of the interrelationships, > > and what the musicians are doing. But the potential for > > something interesting and dynamic is fascinating, and this > > approach would be just as applicable for other types of > > arrangements besides percussion (like having the musicians > > trigger volume/filter/other envelopes for each other, or for > > each other's delayed signals that wouldn't be audible until > > triggered). > > > > *brains begin oozing out onto the floor* > > > > Of course, it might be kinda tricky to get that tight ass, > > swinging funk groove with this approach, ya never know. Nothing > > like a drummer but a drummer, maaaaahhhhhn ..... > > > > Love, > > > > Mike > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 31 15:33:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA32442; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 15:26:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 15:26:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0FE98FA04927D411A48300D0B77CF9BB05958289@tiger.middlebury.edu> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:25:25 -1000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: RE: Hypercartiod microphones (+ Tabla/C1000 content) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com LONG STORY ... SKIP TO CONCLUSION AT END, FOR THE SKINNY: Yeah, i didn;t like the C1000S at first, but it is has grown on me, for its versatility, cheap price (~$150 at guitar center & sam ash), full-range (20 - 20K Hz), and fairly decent detail, at least compared to most dynamic mics in the same price range. I've also done sound for Swapan Chaudauri, a few times over the past several years. A few years ago, he showed up with a C1000S...we had been using an SM57, which sounded OK in this somewhat-boomy venue (chapel, cross shaped w/dome overhead). We used the C1000S, and he liked it, but i didn't... i thought it lacked the treble peak of the SM57, which we needed to cut through this boomy venue. (... i didn't even like the Senn. 441, as much in this venue -- the detail was lost, and those SM57's just cut through!) Anways, the next time he came, he brought an akg C3000. This was in a different venue, a rectangular shaped room. Here the C3000 sounded pretty nice, very full, with good detail. I didn't A/B any other mics here, though. Finally, the last show I did for Mr. Chaudhuri, (last fall) was at a smaller chapel, with a rectangular room that had good projection from the stage area. Most of the seats here had a good direct sound with minimal refelctions off the walls. This was a sarod/tabla show..we had some time before the show, so we decided to test various microhphones. The sarod player (Amjad Khan, I think) went back and forth between a Senn. 441 and a C1000S, and they both sounded good. He finally decided on the C1000S. Then, Mr. Chadhuri tested mics, starting with the SM57. It sounded punchy and bright, but without a lot of detail, and lacked the low bass. Then, he tried a C1000S. It sounded better, had more detail, more bass, and a pretty flat reponse. Then, we went to the Senn. 441. And by far, this sounded better. It seemed to have a little more detail, and had a "fuller" tone..the C1000S seemed a but thinner. Mr. Chaudhuri agreed and went with the 441. CONCLUSION: So, I'd say the C1000S is a pretty versatile mic -- can be used for drums, stringed than any other condensor mic i have used instruments, and i also like it for vocals. It has more feedback rejection (almost as good as a dynamic), and has more detail than any dynamic mic in this price range. And while it may not have the detail and fullness of Senn. 441, it is about a quarter of the price. and Jon- i think they would be great for sampling....very versatile! - Chris > >> I absoltuley love my AKG C1000S, condenser microphone. > >this is a fantastic mic for tablas. Swapan Chaudhuri brought his to a gig i >mixed for him and i was knocked out. > >m.c. AVIRIS Experiment Coordinator (Interim) 818.398.7890 (avec cel phone) 661.276.3020 (lab @ DFRC) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 31 16:16:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02805; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 16:13:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 16:13:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 11:11:57 -1000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: C1000S/ tabla story conclusion... Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry for the typos... I meant to say: CONCLUSION: So, I'd say the C1000S is a pretty versatile mic -- can be used for drums, stringed instruments, and i also like it for vocals. It has more feedback rejection than any other condensor mic i have used (almost as good as a dynamic), and has more detail than any dynamic mic in this price range. And while it may not have the detail and fullness of Senn. 441, it is about a quarter of the price. and Jon- i think they would be great for sampling....very versatile! - Chris AVIRIS Experiment Coordinator (Interim) 818.398.7890 (avec cel phone) 661.276.3020 (lab @ DFRC) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 31 16:24:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03020; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 16:17:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 16:17:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Posted-Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 22:15:02 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <001c01c16251$1ea09d00$c173623e@default> From: "Max Power" To: "Looper's Deligth" Subject: Drum sounds Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 22:14:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01C16259.76E64B60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C16259.76E64B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can someone reccomend me a sample cd or a good web site where I can = found a set of acoustic drums samples? I'm looking for multiple samples with velocity split and various = executive techniques ( for ex: rim shots, flames etc...) Thank you, Max ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C16259.76E64B60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Can someone reccomend me a sample cd or = a good web=20 site where I can found a set of acoustic drums samples?
    I'm looking for multiple samples with = velocity=20 split and various executive techniques ( for ex: rim shots, flames=20 etc...)
     
    Thank you, = Max
    ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C16259.76E64B60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 31 18:29:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10052; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 18:25:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 18:25:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 15:23:44 -0800 From: "Tim Sanz" To: Subject: RE: Hypercartiod microphones (+ Tabla content) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_2E74F815.5D3C51E6" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_2E74F815.5D3C51E6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable not sure what the patern is off the top but one of my all around favs for = drums to voice is the Beyerdynamic TG M69=20 -ts >>> mchriste@jaguar.middlebury.edu 10/31/01 11:40AM >>> > I absoltuley love my AKG C1000S, condenser microphone. =20 this is a fantastic mic for tablas. Swapan Chaudhuri brought his to a gig = i mixed for him and i was knocked out. m.c. --=_2E74F815.5D3C51E6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: HTML
    not sure what the patern is off the top but one of my all around favs = for=20 drums to voice is the Beyerdynamic TG M69
    -ts

    >>> mchriste@jaguar.middlebury.edu 10/31/01 = 11:40AM=20 >>>



    > I absoltuley love my AKG C1000S, = condenser=20 microphone. 

    this is a fantastic mic for tablas.  = Swapan=20 Chaudhuri brought his to a gig i
    mixed for him and i was knocked=20 out.

    m.c.

    --=_2E74F815.5D3C51E6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 31 21:14:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18675; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 21:10:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 21:10:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.1.20011031205804.009eb0f0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: taghairm@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 21:08:08 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: p koniuto Subject: --Tom Heasley CD-- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My copy of Tom Heasley's new CD on Hypnos, Where the Earth Meets The Sky, arrived today. Had a chance to give it a listen and i highly recommend it to any ambient music fans out there. I know it's been mentioned here before, but i think it's worth mentioning again. Very contemplative, with what sounds like quite an intuitive sense of harmony. This is very much a "vertical color of sound" type of record. I had no idea the tuba was so versatile! I know Tom's touring off and on...let us know if/when you'll be in the Boston area! Best, peter koniuto From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 31 23:33:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA25409; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 23:31:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 23:31:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c1628e$040b1dc0$0200a8c0@boop> From: "Funkay" To: References: Subject: Short review of the Boss RC-20 Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 20:31:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I paid about $280 (including the power supply which was extra) for this nice shiny new boss pedal. I was hoping for a lower cost boomerang for practicing and to use live. My biggest concerns were with how well it would work with other instruments because for the most part it seems to be marketed as a guitar pedal. All my concerns were answered and this thing is working great after about 3 weeks of use. 5 1/2 minutes of sampling time, plus you can save your loops! I consider myself a little spoiled after playing for a year or two with an EDP but I was not at all let down by this pedal. Its great for practicing, but live performance is another thing...It only has two pedals onboard, leaving the rest of its features as buttons which can't be pressed with your feet. I bend over quite a bit to mess with things. The other complaint is there is no undo function. Screw up and theres no going back. The sound quality is good, but boss seems to be keeping the sample rate a secret. I really like this pedal. It certainly compares to the boomerang or the line 6 DL4 and in my opinion it outranks both. Its built very strong and I would trust it to use live. Every once in a while it has a glitch and puts a short delay in between hitting the pedals and stopping the loop, but it only seems to happen within the first few minutes of starting it up. Other than my few complaints, boss has put together a very good product, especially considering the price.