From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 1 02:36:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08802; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 02:15:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 02:15:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010831190832.01f77a20@mulder.intermag.com> X-Sender: mpulver@mulder.intermag.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 19:17:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Best Repeater Deals In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010831211608.007dc020@pop.metrocast.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim Nelson (06:16 PM 08.31.2001) wrote: >At 05:27 PM 8/31/01 -0700, TG wrote: > >>If anyone finds a cheaper price, be sure to post it! > >Wasn't there some sort of, um, unwritten etiquette thing about not posting >the prices on group buys/special discounts? Yeup, on this list or not, it is generally a bad idea to disclose any form of special pricing. Most manufacturers will have a Minimum Advertised Price (MAP) rule in place which basically sets the lowest price that a dealer can advertise. This is to help protect the smaller dealers than may not be able to buy in quantities great enough to get a better price break. A smaller store may be granted one-time special pricing in order to help promote a specific item and get it's feet off the ground. That pricing can often be the same that a large _distributor_ might buy the product at. If that pricing gets out, then it tends to cause a good deal of friction between the larger stores and the manufacturer (not to mention the distributor and the manufacturer) since they would have had to normally buy huge quantities to get the same price breaks. Special pricing happens all the time in all sorts of business. In the music business, you saw it for a long time with Mackie products where dealers wouldn't print _any_ price at all, and ask you to call or come in to get it. When public notice is made about a dealer selling at a very low price on a special deal, it will tend to kill the deal for the dealer. When you see a dealer asking you to NOT mention a price on a list like this, it's best to heed to his wishes or everyone may lose. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 1 02:45:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA09702; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 02:25:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 02:25:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010831190832.01f77a20@mulder.intermag.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010831190832.01f77a20@mulder.intermag.com> Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 02:12:08 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: Re: Best Repeater Deals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was offered a rack module from a retail store via mail order at a price that beat everyone else. I called the manufacturer to ask about back order status and they asked me how much I was paying. I told them and they *really* wanted to know who i was buying it from. I declined to tell them and they said, "we'll find out... you just be sure of that." - they were not happy that someone was selling their product so cheaply. plexus >Tim Nelson (06:16 PM 08.31.2001) wrote: > >>At 05:27 PM 8/31/01 -0700, TG wrote: >> >>>If anyone finds a cheaper price, be sure to post it! >> >>Wasn't there some sort of, um, unwritten etiquette thing about not posting >>the prices on group buys/special discounts? > >Yeup, on this list or not, it is generally a bad idea to disclose >any form of special pricing. > >Most manufacturers will have a Minimum Advertised Price (MAP) rule >in place which basically sets the lowest price that a dealer can >advertise. This is to help protect the smaller dealers than may not >be able to buy in quantities great enough to get a better price >break. > >A smaller store may be granted one-time special pricing in order to >help promote a specific item and get it's feet off the ground. That >pricing can often be the same that a large _distributor_ might buy >the product at. If that pricing gets out, then it tends to cause a >good deal of friction between the larger stores and the manufacturer >(not to mention the distributor and the manufacturer) since they >would have had to normally buy huge quantities to get the same price >breaks. > >Special pricing happens all the time in all sorts of business. In >the music business, you saw it for a long time with Mackie products >where dealers wouldn't print _any_ price at all, and ask you to call >or come in to get it. > >When public notice is made about a dealer selling at a very low >price on a special deal, it will tend to kill the deal for the >dealer. > >When you see a dealer asking you to NOT mention a price on a list >like this, it's best to heed to his wishes or everyone may lose. > > >Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 1 04:18:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA18130; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 03:55:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 03:55:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010901003545.00b19008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 00:41:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Foot pedal for Repeater (or anything for that matter) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:08 PM 8/31/2001, Greg S wrote: > > However, I wonder if > > manufacturing a full-featured MIDI pedal like the PMC-10 would be worth > > Electrix's while. > >Just imagine the simplest MIDI foot pedal that used the same CFC technology >as the Repeater. >- Pop the CFC into your USB reader >- Edit the MIDI strings the way you like via simple PC/Mac program >- Pop the CFC back into your footboard >- away you go. couldn't you just put a USB port on the pedal and save yourself a few steps? (and a few dollars too...) using midi in/out to program the pedal isn't bad, if there is an editor/librarian for it. It isn't much data so download times are short. You just have to remember that the pedal needs Midi IN! A lot of midi pedals only have midi out for some reason, and therefore have cut themselves off from any possibility of saving and reloading presets. (the ground control for example...) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 1 04:23:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA18678; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 04:02:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 04:02:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010901004419.0442ab80@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 00:47:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Bob Sellon's Jamman stereo multitrack upgrade In-Reply-To: <3B8FE10C.B560D7AD@zerocrossing.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Mark- Have you heard of Looper's Delight? It's this web site with tons of info about loopers. There is all kinds of stuff there, you'll be amazed! Check it out, there is a whole section on the Bob Sellon upgrade, with all the list discussion about it collected in one place! http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/jamman/jamman.html kim At 12:10 PM 8/31/2001, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >"Bob Sellon's Jamman stereo multitrack upgrade" ????? what what what? I did >do an upgrade that allowed me to synch to midi sequences that were in 5/4 and >7/4, but stereo multitrack? Where can I get more info? > >Mark Sottilaro > >kevin cooney wrote: > > > Kim wrote: > > > > > actually the thing people have asked for for years is multiple tracks of > > > **different lengths**, which Repeater doesn't do. Bob Sellon's mythical > > > jamman upgrade does that... > > > > > So I would say "evolutionary" perhaps. Revolutionary, no. > > > > Kim's right. Bob Sellon's Jamman stereo multitrack upgrade is a brilliant > > different take on looping and it's such a shame that Lexicon never saw fit > > to license the product. Now that the Repeater is out, maybe he should try > > again. Are you listening, Lexicon? > > > > Best, > > Kevin C. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 1 04:33:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA19078; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 04:13:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 04:13:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010901005352.00b10490@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 00:59:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Bob Sellon's Jamman stereo multitrack upgrade In-Reply-To: References: <3B8FE10C.B560D7AD@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:59 PM 8/31/2001, kevin cooney wrote: >Mark: > >There were only a few prototypes upgrades to the Jamman, it was never a >commercial product. For a while the manual for the upgrade was online, but >I believe it too has disappeared. There are archives in Looper's Delight >that explain what it was all about. no, it is all still there. The link on the LD jamman page is still good: http://people.ne.mediaone.net/sellon/jamman1.htm Bob even has a note there that he is sending out upgrades again. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 1 04:38:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA19234; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 04:18:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 04:18:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010901010043.00b09e38@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 01:04:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP Feedback control help In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010831012259.02600008@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:03 PM 8/31/2001, Doug Miller wrote: >Nothing going into the feedback outlet on the back, I reset the parameters, >set to "loop", feedback still stuck at 100% no matter what the front knob >position is. I guess if its gonna be stuck thats where I want it. ;+b > >I guess I can either get an outboard volum pedal to control feedback or get >the pot fixed for the knob. > >What is the usual place you all get EDPs fixed? Thanks for all your help! >What a great buncha helpful folks! Gibson provides good service for the echoplex. Contact Shane Radtke sradtke@gibson.com, 1-800-544-2766 x206 or (847) 741-7315 x206. Shane is a great guy, he'll take care of you. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 1 12:34:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13161; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 12:11:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 12:11:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B910546.3CF0D641@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 08:56:55 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Best Repeater Deals References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010831190832.01f77a20@mulder.intermag.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-7BeL.A.mHD.fWQk7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com We come upon the old question of price fixing, which is illegal. Electrix may be able to stipulate an advertised price, but legally it can't say anything about what the dealer actually sells it for. Frankly, I think the problem lies with the big volume discounts. Notice that you NEVER see Peavy gear blown out at Musician's friend. I'm not even sure if they deal it. It's because Peavy refuses to play that little game, making the prices the same for mom & pop stores as it is for huge box movers. Frankly, I applaud them for this policy. It totally makes for a level playing field, giving small stores the ability to match price AND offer the personalized service of Musician's Fiend. Try talking to someone at Sam Ash about Repeater features vs. Echoplex, as I did at Bananas at Large. I sure bet it would be a very short conversation. Mark Sottilaro Mark Pulver wrote: > Tim Nelson (06:16 PM 08.31.2001) wrote: > > >At 05:27 PM 8/31/01 -0700, TG wrote: > > > >>If anyone finds a cheaper price, be sure to post it! > > > >Wasn't there some sort of, um, unwritten etiquette thing about not posting > >the prices on group buys/special discounts? > > Yeup, on this list or not, it is generally a bad idea to disclose any form > of special pricing. > > Most manufacturers will have a Minimum Advertised Price (MAP) rule in place > which basically sets the lowest price that a dealer can advertise. This is > to help protect the smaller dealers than may not be able to buy in > quantities great enough to get a better price break. > > A smaller store may be granted one-time special pricing in order to help > promote a specific item and get it's feet off the ground. That pricing can > often be the same that a large _distributor_ might buy the product at. If > that pricing gets out, then it tends to cause a good deal of friction > between the larger stores and the manufacturer (not to mention the > distributor and the manufacturer) since they would have had to normally buy > huge quantities to get the same price breaks. > > Special pricing happens all the time in all sorts of business. In the music > business, you saw it for a long time with Mackie products where dealers > wouldn't print _any_ price at all, and ask you to call or come in to get it. > > When public notice is made about a dealer selling at a very low price on a > special deal, it will tend to kill the deal for the dealer. > > When you see a dealer asking you to NOT mention a price on a list like > this, it's best to heed to his wishes or everyone may lose. > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 1 14:02:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16080; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 13:40:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 13:40:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B911CCD.3D1F@Hevanet.Com.> Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 10:37:17 -0700 From: DaViD AuKeR X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mo' EDP Tutorial, pleas! References: <200109010636.CAA11171@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre, Thanks for the info! I just tried it -works fine. The ending w/ > "Record." (Do NOT end this function with "Multiply" a second time.)< is the tidbit I overlooked initially (I need to read things twice!;-) Definately opens up a new dimension... BTW & slightly OT: Yesterday at sunset I rode my fixed (bike) down to Chapman School in NW Portland to watch the Vaux Swifts LOOP and spiral their 1000+ group down into the large octagonal chimney for the night. Whoa! It's a favorite autumn activity for me - these little birds put on quite a show, the large swirl a mesmorizing choreography. I guess it's a gathering of tribes for them, collecting before migrating south. They look like swallows, but evidently one difference is that their wings flap one at a time...one's up while the other is down (a little to quickly to discern). David Andre LaFosse said: > Hi David, > > DaViD AuKeR wrote: > > > > It allows you to pick out a small section of of a larger loop, loop it, do > > > anything you want with it, then if you like you can go back to the original > > > loop. > > > > > > > Andy, Kim, et al.: HOW IS THAT DONE? How would the appropiate > > parameters be set to accomplish that? > > 1) Set Quantize to OFF > > 2) At the precise point in the original loop that you want to extract a > new smaller section from, press "Multiply." > > 3) At the precise point that you want the new, smaller section to end, > press "Record." (Do NOT end this function with "Multiply" a second time.) > > You should now have a new, shorter loop. > > If you want to go back to the original loop, you could use UNDO, > although it's possible that you could use up too much memory in > subsequent operations to be able to return completely to the original loop. > > One way to avoid this would be to use multiple loops: before you extract > the shorter loop (in the three-step example above), copy the original > loop to a new loop location. Then perform the edits on the copied loop. > If you want to go back to the original loop, it's already stored in a > seperate location. > > Hope that helps, > > --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 1 14:45:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17741; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 14:22:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 14:22:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Regarding EDP new shorter loop Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 11:11:26 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3B904AB4.EF8F935B@altruistmusic.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Andre LaFosse [mailto:altruist@altruistmusic.com] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 7:41 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mo' EDP Tutorial, pleas! (re: Feature Comparison (Repeater & EDP) Hi David, DaViD AuKeR wrote: > > It allows you to pick out a small section of of a larger loop, loop it, do > > anything you want with it, then if you like you can go back to the original > > loop. > > > > Andy, Kim, et al.: HOW IS THAT DONE? How would the appropiate > parameters be set to accomplish that? 1) Set Quantize to OFF 2) At the precise point in the original loop that you want to extract a new smaller section from, press "Multiply." 3) At the precise point that you want the new, smaller section to end, press "Record." (Do NOT end this function with "Multiply" a second time.) You should now have a new, shorter loop. ???If you want to go back to the original loop, you could use UNDO, ???although it's possible that you could use up too much memory in ??subsequent operations to be able to return completely to the original loop. Is this right? Is undo possible once you have changed the loop size in this way, by creating a new cycle? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 1 21:10:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16011; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 20:38:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 20:38:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: Using a Looper with a mixer Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 19:22:43 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01c13345$6267bbd0$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If I connect a Looper to my mixer should I connect it or my other effects to aux send 1 or 2? Should it pre or post? Or should I try and connect all my effects in series beginning after the main outs from the mixer without using the aux bus? Thanks, Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 1 23:10:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03048; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 22:44:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 22:44:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: HarryEsq@aol.com Message-ID: <154.4baa29.28c2f3e4@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 22:31:00 EDT Subject: Re: Using a Looper with a mixer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_154.4baa29.28c2f3e4_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10535 Resent-Message-ID: <_ky8-B.A.Ik.qnZk7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_154.4baa29.28c2f3e4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi - i'm still in the strictly experimental phase of figuring out how everything works, but i just recorded some stuff using a wireless mic into my dl4 and then into my mixer where i also added (when necessary) effects through an mpx 500 - i also had a keyboard going through the dl4 (mic through one channel and keyboard through the other) and started to do a bass line with my right hand and played the tenor with my left - though i will say roland kirk has nothing to worry about, it created a really interesting combination where i was able to play a bass line using a low rain stick/drum kind of sound and play the tenor over it - very nice to my ears - so, i was using the dl4 on the way in and the mpx500 on aux send 1 - my uneducated opinion is that you can do either or both if it sounds good - hope that makes some sense - harry --part1_154.4baa29.28c2f3e4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi - i'm still in the strictly experimental phase of figuring out how
everything works, but i just recorded some stuff using a wireless mic into my
dl4 and then into my mixer where i also added (when necessary) effects
through an mpx 500 - i also had a keyboard going through the dl4 (mic through
one channel and keyboard through the other) and started to do a bass line
with my right hand and played the tenor with my left - though i will say
roland kirk has nothing to worry about, it created a really interesting
combination where i was able to play a bass line using a low rain stick/drum
kind of sound and play the tenor over it - very nice to my ears - so, i was
using the dl4 on the way in and the mpx500 on aux send 1 - my uneducated
opinion is that you can do either or both if it sounds good - hope that makes
some sense -

harry --part1_154.4baa29.28c2f3e4_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 1 23:37:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04040; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 23:11:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 23:11:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B919E8E.2F77F706@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 22:50:54 -0400 From: Dick Michaels Organization: Auctionsoup X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010831095112.00b08100@mulder.intermag.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Apparently-From: Colbyi@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Will have your repeater, Tuesday or Wednesday. Dick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 1 23:56:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04741; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 23:31:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 23:31:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 20:20:02 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Using a Looper with a mixer In-reply-to: <000d01c13345$6267bbd0$6501a8c0@stevespc> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <000d01c13345$6267bbd0$6501a8c0@stevespc> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:22 PM -0500 9/1/01, M. Steven Ginn wrote: >If I connect a Looper to my mixer should I connect it or my other >effects to aux send 1 or 2? Should it pre or post? Or should I try and >connect all my effects in series beginning after the main outs from the >mixer without using the aux bus? I think it is counterproductive to look for rules about how to hook up effects and looping devices to a mixer. You need to analyze how you want to manipulate your sounds and you need to understand the musical implications of series/parallel and pre/post. Depending on the mixer you use, it may be possible to hook up your instrument(s), all your effects, and your looper in such a way that you can route any signal to any device. But from the nature of your question you are probably just getting started, so you should probably keep it simple. If you want the best suggestions, you should specify what equipment you are using and what kind of musical results you are after. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 00:39:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA06597; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 00:13:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 00:13:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.1.20010901235632.00a13040@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: taghairm@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 00:00:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: p koniuto Subject: --OT: Lexicon MPX-1 programming-- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone out there really proficient with programming the Lexicon MPX-1? I've hit a brick wall here and there designing patches for a couple of very specific results i'm after. If anyone can help, please e-mail me off-list. Thanks, peter koniuto From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 01:25:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA08396; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 01:00:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 01:00:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010902004526.007e15d0@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 00:45:26 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Using a Looper with a mixer In-Reply-To: References: <000d01c13345$6267bbd0$6501a8c0@stevespc> <000d01c13345$6267bbd0$6501a8c0@stevespc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 7:22 PM -0500 9/1/01, M. Steven Ginn wrote: >>If I connect a Looper to my mixer should I connect it or my other >>effects to aux send 1 or 2? Unless your two sends have different features, it makes no difference which one you put your looper on. However, some mixers (such as some of the Soundcraft/Spirit models) only offer you the choice of pre- or post-fader send on aux 1 so if you want to have signal reaching your looper irrespective of your instrument's channel fader position, be sure to choose the aux with that option. > Should it pre or post? Are you talking about a pre- or post-fader send or are you asking whether your looper should come before or after the effects in your signal chain? In either case, it all depends on what you want to do with it. Using the send offers you the advantage of routing any channel (or the processor on the other aux) to the looper. >Or should I try and >>connect all my effects in series beginning after the main outs from the >>mixer without using the aux bus? Probably not. A question you have to ask yourself is "Do I want an effected signal hitting the looper, or would I prefer to use the effect to process the loop?" Either way is valid, and a lot of people have stuff both upstream AND downstream from the looper for added versatility. There are many ways to assemble a system, and it's probably best to try out as many combinations for yourself so you'll know when you come upon the one that best suits your needs. Other questions that would factor into your ideal setup would include: - Do you primarily play one instrument, or do you have several independent voices meeting at the mixer? (Multiple synths, for example...) -Are you using a separate amplifier for your non-effected signal, or is the mixer your sole source? (This involves the pre/post fader question) -Do you want to be able to change an effect setting without changing the sound of a loop that's already playing? Conversely, do you want to be able to post-process a loop? -Is your looper coming back to its own channel or to the aux return? -Do you plan on adding additional loopers? -And so forth... Try out as many combinations as you can, and you'll eventually find something you like. -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 01:50:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA09199; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 01:25:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 01:25:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Re: Repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.6 Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 01:16:49 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3B919E8E.2F77F706@ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com how much? On Sat, 01 Sep 2001 22:50:54 -0400 Dick Michaels wrote: > Will have your repeater, Tuesday or Wednesday. > > Dick > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 02:52:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA11238; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 02:27:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 02:27:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010901230658.01d621e0@mulder.intermag.com> X-Sender: mpulver@mulder.intermag.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 23:09:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Repeater In-Reply-To: References: <3B919E8E.2F77F706@ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Christopher White (10:16 PM 09.01.2001) wrote: >On Sat, 01 Sep 2001 22:50:54 -0400 > Dick Michaels wrote: >> Will have your repeater, Tuesday or Wednesday. > >how much? Hi Christopher... Based on it's terseness, and the fact that he sent me a private message right after this one with the same text, and that Dick has been my exclusive dealer for the last 5 years, I'm pretty sure that Dick meant that as a private message for me. :) Sorry. :) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 03:13:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA11882; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 02:48:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 02:48:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B91D33E.515E718B@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 23:35:42 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater: Recording to the CFC References: <200108261906.PAA02313@www.editev.com> <3B8A6D07.551CBB2D@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3SYLhD.A.qzC.ZOdk7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, The repeater manual has become my favorite bedtime story, but I can't seem to find anything about recording directly to the CFC. I'm I just missing something? I found the part about moving loops onto the CFC, but nothing about recording a fresh loop to it. Is it impossible? I imagine not, as why else would they recommend a high performance card. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 04:09:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA15690; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 03:44:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 03:44:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010902073248.8395.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 00:32:48 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Repeater: Recording to the CFC To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3B91D33E.515E718B@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, the manual doesn't explain it too well. I'm not in front of my Repeater at the moment, so this is off the top of my head. 1) insert CFC. You should see a momentary green light. 2) turn the Loop select knob until you see the small hash mark on the display disappear. 3) press play & you can listen to the loops that Electrix loaded on the card. The select knob moves from loop to loop. 4) If you want to clear the CFC completely, reformat the card as per the manual 5) begin recording, overdubbing, etc, just as you would with internal memory. Just remember that the hash mark indicates internal memory & no hash mark indicates the CFC. John --- Mark wrote: > Hey, > > The repeater manual has become my favorite bedtime > story, but I can't seem to find > anything about recording directly to the CFC. I'm I > just missing something? I > found the part about moving loops onto the CFC, but > nothing about recording a fresh > loop to it. Is it impossible? I imagine not, as > why else would they recommend a > high performance card. > > Mark > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 05:11:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA25729; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 04:51:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 04:51:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010902083943.35530.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 01:39:43 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Am I the first to "lock up" his Repeater? To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I must admit that I've been testing the limits of the time stretch feature. This morning I somehow managed to turn the Repeater to stone, or at least a stone with bright lights! It refused to respond to attempts to select or de-select tracks, pan, pitch, loop select...as a matter of fact, any front panel control at all with the exception of "sleep mode". So I put "Petey" down for a nap. When he awoke, he was in a much better mood. I don't recall the exact sequence of events that led to this, but I seem to recall that I had one track recorded, but not playing & was in the process of altering the tempo & setting the pitch control of an unrecorded track. This is an observation, not a complaint. I've been having a lot of fun with this box! John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 09:04:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA20786; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 08:39:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 08:39:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <106.4f8c594.28c37fbb@aol.com> Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 08:27:39 EDT Subject: Re Regarding EDP new shorter loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <3YoPhC.A.5nE.DXik7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > 2) At the precise point in the original loop that you want to extract a > > new smaller section from, press "Multiply." > > > > 3) At the precise point that you want the new, smaller section to end, > > press "Record." (Do NOT end this function with "Multiply" a second time.) > > > > You should now have a new, shorter loop. > > > > If you want to go back to the original loop, you could use UNDO, > > although it's possible that you could use up too much memory in > > subsequent operations to be able to return completely to the original loop. > As far as I know, once youv'e actually changed the length of a loop you lose the ability to go back. In order to copy out a smaller loop section, play , and thenreturn to the main loop :- 1) Quantise=OFF Switchquant=CnF SamplerMode=OFF (or OnE) MoreLoops=2 2) Hit NextLoop 3) Wait for the start of the section you want to repeat and hit Multiply. 4) Wait for the end of the section you want to repeat and hit Record. 5) Ad Lib 6) Hit Nextloop (getting ready to go back) 7) When you hit Undo you'll go back to the first loop, you'll hear a last repeat of the small section running smoothly into the main loop.( because the loop starts where you left it) Variation ::: with SampleMode = Att you return to the start point of the original loop, useful if you've completly mangled the short loop. So what happens if you use Reverse instead of Record in step 4?? How about a Quantised version of all this? you'd need a short cycle length Multiplied up to make the long initial loop. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 10:32:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30166; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 10:07:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 10:07:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <11f.414bf77.28c3944f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 09:55:27 EDT Subject: Re: Repeater: Recording to the CFC To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sine@zerocrossing.net writes: >Is it impossible? I imagine not, as why else would they recommend a >high performance card. just select a blank loop on the CFC, and go..... best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 11:40:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01209; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 11:14:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 11:14:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B924C48.4A3@Hevanet.Com.> Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 08:12:08 -0700 From: DaViD AuKeR X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater: Recording to the CFC References: <200109020911.FAA28606@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Repeater demo loops on CFC card: Cool~! Are these from in-house Electrix mewsicions? Credits, please! Dav (w/the valuable "upside down CFC card" - nice to read about that 'feature' on this list, as I think it would be easy to force it in the wrong way - a casual glance doesn't reveal a lot of difference rightside or flipped!) John Tidwell said: >... > 3) press play & you can listen to the loops that > Electrix loaded on the card. The select knob moves > from loop to loop. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 16:21:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01737; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 15:54:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 15:54:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B92767F.2B121724@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 11:12:15 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater: Recording to the CFC References: <20010902073248.8395.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OIC. Thanks. I guess I was looking for an extra step that isn't there. I'm also a little confused about selecting it via midi. I purchased one of the recommended midi controller (the Rolls MIDI Wizard) and there doesn't seem to be a midi "bank" send anywhere on it, although for the price it seems to have a lot of programmability features and it seems very sturdy. Thanks again, Mark Sottilaro John Tidwell wrote: > Yeah, the manual doesn't explain it too well. > > I'm not in front of my Repeater at the moment, so this > is off the top of my head. > > 1) insert CFC. You should see a momentary green light. > > 2) turn the Loop select knob until you see the small > hash mark on the display disappear. > > 3) press play & you can listen to the loops that > Electrix loaded on the card. The select knob moves > from loop to loop. > > 4) If you want to clear the CFC completely, reformat > the card as per the manual > > 5) begin recording, overdubbing, etc, just as you > would with internal memory. > > Just remember that the hash mark indicates internal > memory & no hash mark indicates the CFC. > > John > > --- Mark wrote: > > Hey, > > > > The repeater manual has become my favorite bedtime > > story, but I can't seem to find > > anything about recording directly to the CFC. I'm I > > just missing something? I > > found the part about moving loops onto the CFC, but > > nothing about recording a fresh > > loop to it. Is it impossible? I imagine not, as > > why else would they recommend a > > high performance card. > > > > Mark > > > > ===== > John Tidwell > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger > http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 16:53:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03443; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 16:28:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 16:28:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PaulPokr@aol.com Message-ID: <145.ee6a1b.28c3ed8a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 16:16:10 EDT Subject: Looping in the 'Burgh To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_145.ee6a1b.28c3ed8a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_145.ee6a1b.28c3ed8a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, all: I had the opportunity of hearing Michael (Nemoguitt) play at an excellent venue (the Club Cafe in Pittsburgh) last evening. He did a wonderful job as a soloist playing guitar with a Boomerang. He really did an excellent job showing off what the 'Rang can do. Regards, Paul --part1_145.ee6a1b.28c3ed8a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, all:

I had the opportunity of hearing Michael (Nemoguitt) play at an excellent
venue (the Club Cafe in Pittsburgh) last evening. He did a wonderful job as a
soloist playing guitar with a Boomerang. He really did an excellent job
showing off what the 'Rang can do.

Regards, Paul --part1_145.ee6a1b.28c3ed8a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 16:55:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03472; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 16:30:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 16:30:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B927DA7.A0D80D36@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 11:42:47 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: da bomb. Vinyl RIP. References: <20010902073248.8395.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey loopers, a while ago, I asked about the Yamaha DJXII as a unit that would allow some "scratching" of user defined samples. It does not. Being fairly cheap, I thought it might be fun to have, as it does offer some pretty cool scratching effects. While running errands yesterday, I checked it out but made the mistake of asking the salesman "I don't need the beatbox functions. Is there anything out there that does the scratching effects, and possibly lets you bring in your own tracks to sample?" He showed me this: http://www.audioclimax.com/pioncdinstoc.html Shit this thing is HOT. AMAZING, IMO. I know there are a lot of vinyl fans out there, but for me, this puts the final nail in the coffin for vinyl. RIP. I'm not a DJ, and I don't even play one on TV, but this thing felt sooo good. Very sensitive. Let you set "inertia" of the spin up to speed time, or have none at all. The web page tells it all, but it just seemed to work they way I wanted it to with no fussing. It did take a while to fill it's buffer from the CD, but a small price to pay for what it allows you to do with the data once the buffer is full. YUM. Anyway, I did not buy the cheese-wheat-bacon&bean Yamaha box. Couldn't do it. I'm saving up my pennies for this baby. It is, as the young people say, "da bomb." Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 17:27:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05829; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 17:01:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 17:01:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: don.goodeve@home.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 13:49:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Repeater: Recording to the CFC Reply-to: don.goodeve@home.com Message-ID: <3B9238F6.8880.12C879B@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3B91D33E.515E718B@zerocrossing.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Mark Repeater can record directly to internal memory and CFC - both in the same way. Internal loops are numbered '1 - '16, accessed via the Loop encoder on the left hand side of the display. After stepping out of internal, the leading ' will disappear (if a CFC is inserted), and you are in the CFC memory space. Everything here behaves exactly as with internal memory except all the storage is performed via the CFC card - the CFC slot activity LEDs will show you something is going on. Hoping you have a lot of fun. Don Goodeve (Electrix) Hey, The repeater manual has become my favorite bedtime story, but I can't seem to find anything about recording directly to the CFC. I'm I just missing something? I found the part about moving loops onto the CFC, but nothing about recording a fresh loop to it. Is it impossible? I imagine not, as why else would they recommend a high performance card. Mark ---------------------------------------------------- |Don Goodeve | |Brentwood Bay, BC, Canada | | don.goodeve@home.com | ---------------------------------------------------- 'As if you could kill time without injuring eternity' (still my favourite H.D.Thoreau quote - after all these years...) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 21:05:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA04230; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 20:40:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 20:40:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: S. Morse/Lexicon PrimeTime Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 20:24:52 -0500 Message-ID: <01c13417$3b7378c0$a177580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <_hVFqD.A.zy.Q6sk7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey gang - Anyone else here have the chance to catch Steve Morse live use a Lexicon (Super?) PrimeTime to loop passages? I've seen these models on-line but have never had the chance to twiddle one's dials and have no idea as to loop time or sampling rate, but SM was one of the first people I saw loop live with that thing going back to the D. Dregs' heyday. Anyone have some first hand experience they'd be willing to share? Thanks, PedrOOrdeP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 04:16:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA05756; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 03:50:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 03:50:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010903073902.83694.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 00:39:02 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Repeater: Recording to the CFC To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3B92767F.2B121724@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark wrote: > OIC. Thanks. I guess I was looking for an extra > step that isn't there. Yeah, not as complicated as the Againinator, where you have to put a foot on its neck, lift tail, insert card, & wait for its eyes to glow red! > I'm also a little confused about selecting it via > midi. I purchased one of the > recommended midi controller (the Rolls MIDI Wizard) > and there doesn't seem to > be a midi "bank" send anywhere on it, although for > the price it seems to have a > lot of programmability features and it seems very > sturdy. I think Electrix may come to regret listing some of those midi controllers on their web-site. I already own an ART X-15 & it provides limited control at best. I have a Peavey PC-1600x on order. I'm hoping it will solve a lot of my midi control problems. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 10:15:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26430; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 09:49:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 09:49:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B93953A.ADB73F0D@cabq.gov> Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 07:35:38 -0700 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater: Recording to the CFC References: <20010903073902.83694.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com John Tidwell wrote: > I think Electrix may come to regret listing some of > those midi controllers on their web-site. I already > own an ART X-15 & it provides limited control at best. > I have a Peavey PC-1600x on order. I'm hoping it will > solve a lot of my midi control problems. > Akkk! I just bought an X-15 on ebay ($60) hoping it will really open things up! Have not even received it yet. Can you be a little more specific on what it does and doesn't do? I am sure this kind of knowledge will be helpful to many in the group. Thanks, -jas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 14:08:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08889; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 13:43:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 13:43:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B93BE4F.D8B97E9A@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 10:30:55 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater: MIDI (was record CFC) References: <20010903073902.83694.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> <3B93953A.ADB73F0D@cabq.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, I had an X-15, and if you can get over the pink and gray silk screen, it's not a bad beast, especially for $60. However, it comes back to the question of midi bank change. I know my sequencer (Metro 5.0 for the Macintosh) spits this out to gear, but after reading my Rolls MIDI Wizard manual, it does not seem like it speaks this type of MIDI word. It was years ago, but I don't think the X-15 does either. Only program number and CC. I understand why Electrix would use this to get more functionality out of MIDI, but it does make me a bit angry that I bought a recommended MIDI controller, only to find I can't control one of what I concider to be the most important functions. Other than that, this beast is sure sweet. It does almost everything the Againinator does, with out the frequent litterbox changes and violent outbursts. Mark Sottilaro Jason Fink wrote: > John Tidwell wrote: > > > I think Electrix may come to regret listing some of > > those midi controllers on their web-site. I already > > own an ART X-15 & it provides limited control at best. > > I have a Peavey PC-1600x on order. I'm hoping it will > > solve a lot of my midi control problems. > > > > Akkk! I just bought an X-15 on ebay ($60) hoping it will > really open things up! Have not even received it yet. > > Can you be a little more specific on what it does and > doesn't do? I am sure this kind of knowledge > will be helpful to many in the group. > > Thanks, > -jas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 14:17:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09442; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 13:56:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 13:56:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 10:38:43 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: S. Morse/Lexicon PrimeTime In-reply-to: <01c13417$3b7378c0$a177580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <01c13417$3b7378c0$a177580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:24 PM -0500 9/2/01, Pedro Felix wrote: >Anyone else here have the chance to catch Steve Morse live use a Lexicon >(Super?) PrimeTime to loop passages? > >I've seen these models on-line but have never had the chance to twiddle >one's dials and have no idea as to loop time or sampling rate, but SM was >one of the first people I saw loop live with that thing going back to the D. >Dregs' heyday. > >Anyone have some first hand experience they'd be willing to share? Maximum delay for the Super Prime Time is 640 mS (standard) or 1.28 sec (with memory expansion) at X1 clock rate and 960 mS or 1.92 sec at X1.5 clock settings. I don't know if there was ever any aftermarket memory expansion that allowed longer delays. There is a single delay line with two taps. Each delay tap has its own feedback control and its own level control for the main output mix. Separate audio outputs are available for Delay A, Delay B, Inpur mix, and Master mix out. The modulation LFO has a frequency range from 0.05 Hz to 500 Hz and a 3:1 sweep of the delay time. The modulation waveshape is selectable as either sine or square wave, and may be be continuously varied between either of these and an envelope follower that tracks the input signal. Both delay sweep and LFO rate may be controlled with external foot pedals and the LFO section has both signal output and inputs. The unit was pre-MIDI so it doesn't accept program change commands, but it does have its own system for program storage and retrieval that can be address with an external foot switch. There are 8 factory programs in ROM and 32 user registers in nonvolitile RAM. The front panel controls include a nice set of linear faders grouped as an input mixer (main input, aux input, feedback A, feedback B, low pass filter) and an output mixer (main input, aux input, delay A, delay B, master output). The unit is 3U high, giving plenty of space for these controls. There are also four rotary pots for LFO modulation (manual sweep, depth, waveshape, rate) and two knobs to set the delay taps. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 14:20:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09390; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 13:55:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 13:55:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 10:47:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: S. Morse/Lexicon PrimeTime Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Pedro- I had a Prime Time II, model 95 delay, many years ago. The II was a successor to the Super I believe, and was very similar with the addition of longer delay times (up to 7.7 seconds at 8 khz, or 3.84 at 16 khz), a multi-waveform sweep function (envelope following, sine and square outputs, the square wave was wonderful as a pitch mangler on long delays), "ducking" echo ability, and clock output. The Prime Time II looped nicely, cranking the regneration on either tap (the Prime Times were two tap delays, with tons of on board mixing capabilities) to 100% would hoild the sound cleanly for a quite awhile, and allow overdubbing. Hitting the infinite hold button locked the sound so it could sustain indefinitely without degradation, while shutting off any further input to the delay lines. All in all, it was a very "musical" and nice sounding box, the only negatives I can remember were that the delay modulation only had a 3 to 1 sweep ratio, rather limited for flanging, etc, and that the Prime Time II also had a habit of making a loud "pop" in the audio output when you switched to the 8 khz/long delay setting. If I found one in good shape, with the memory modules, and relatively cheap, I'd grab it in a second. Best- Mark >Hey gang - > >Anyone else here have the chance to catch Steve Morse live use a Lexicon >(Super?) PrimeTime to loop passages? > >I've seen these models on-line but have never had the chance to twiddle >one's dials and have no idea as to loop time or sampling rate, but SM was >one of the first people I saw loop live with that thing going back to the D. >Dregs' heyday. > >Anyone have some first hand experience they'd be willing to share? > >Thanks, PedrOOrdeP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 14:36:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11200; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 14:11:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 14:11:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 10:57:01 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Repeater: MIDI (was record CFC) In-reply-to: <3B93BE4F.D8B97E9A@zerocrossing.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20010903073902.83694.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> <3B93953A.ADB73F0D@cabq.gov> <3B93BE4F.D8B97E9A@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:30 AM -0700 9/3/01, Mark wrote: >However, it comes >back to the question of midi bank change. I know my sequencer (Metro >5.0 for the Macintosh) spits this out to gear, but after reading my >Rolls MIDI Wizard manual, it does not seem like it speaks this type of >MIDI word. It was years ago, but I don't think the X-15 does either. >Only program number and CC. Controller 0 is an accepted standard for MIDI Bank Select, though not every manufacturer uses it. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 14:50:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11830; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 14:25:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 14:25:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017e01c134a4$a3b95e80$b77ba8c0@being> From: "Philip Rampi" To: Subject: Repeater & Tempo Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 13:17:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_017B_01C1347A.B9C5FFA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_017B_01C1347A.B9C5FFA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here's my question to all that own a Repeater: How slow can you go? Preamble: I own 2 EDP's and have the glutinous urge to purchase a Repeater as = well. Not that I need to, but the tempo function has got me curious. I = have wanted a device that could slow audio without a pitch change for = quite a while. My main interest in the tempo function is to use it as a = technology based teacher (I.E. - slow that hyper fast Celtic reel down = without pitch change so that I can learn it proper). I know that = various software has offered this type of function but I prefer a = hardware solution (portability). I was very close to purchasing a device called the TR-1000 ($250.00). http://www.reedkotler.com/tr-1000/manual/manual2.html This box is a looper that is designed for transcribers and comes highly = recommended from a musical buddy. It is incredibly easy to use and does = it's job very well. My issue is that it's purchase price is nearly 1/2 = that of the repeater and that its top sample rate is only 22k. At that = sample rate you only get 1.5 min. of recording and there are obvious and = annoying artifacts in the sound. It is clear that the Repeater is a far = superior box and does an amazing amount of very cool things but..... Is = it as good at the tempo thang or not. Please post information on the following: Can you slow audio down without pitch change that is of good quality = (few artifacts)? What is the actual range of this function (I.E. - max and min ranges for = speed up and slow down) Is this function stable (someone just posted a Repeater lockup during = tempo function)? Any feedback on the TR-1000 or similar devices? Grazie, Philoop ------=_NextPart_000_017B_01C1347A.B9C5FFA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here's my question=20 to all that own a Repeater:

How slow can you = go?

Preamble:
I=20 own 2 EDP's and have the glutinous urge to purchase a Repeater as = well. =20 Not that I need to, but the tempo function has got me curious.  I = have=20 wanted a device that could slow audio without a pitch change for quite a = while.  My main interest in the tempo function is to use it as a = technology=20 based teacher (I.E. - slow that hyper fast Celtic reel down without = pitch change=20 so that I can learn it proper).  I know that various software has = offered=20 this type of function but I prefer a hardware solution = (portability).

I=20 was very close to purchasing a device called the TR-1000 = ($250.00).
http://www= .reedkotler.com/tr-1000/manual/manual2.html

This=20 box is a looper that is designed for transcribers and comes highly = recommended=20 from a musical buddy.  It is incredibly easy to use and does it's = job very=20 well.  My issue is that it's purchase price is nearly 1/2 that of = the=20 repeater and that its top sample rate is only 22k.  At that sample = rate you=20 only get 1.5 min. of recording and there are obvious and annoying = artifacts in=20 the sound.  It is clear that the Repeater is a far superior box and = does an=20 amazing amount of very cool things but.....  Is it as good at the = tempo=20 thang or not.

Please post information on the = following:

Can you=20 slow audio down without pitch change that is of good quality (few=20 artifacts)?

What is the actual range of this function (I.E. - max = and min=20 ranges for speed up and slow down)

Is this function stable = (someone just=20 posted a Repeater lockup during tempo function)?

Any feedback on = the=20 TR-1000 or similar = devices?


Grazie,
Philoop ------=_NextPart_000_017B_01C1347A.B9C5FFA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 14:56:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12395; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 14:31:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 14:31:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B93D75F.3CFECF04@cabq.gov> Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 12:17:51 -0700 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater: MIDI (was record CFC) References: <20010903073902.83694.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> <3B93953A.ADB73F0D@cabq.gov> <3B93BE4F.D8B97E9A@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark wrote: > Yeah, I had an X-15, and if you can get over the pink and gray silk > screen, it's not a bad beast, especially for $60. One word... spray paint! > However, it comes > back to the question of midi bank change. > > Only program number and CC. I am completely unaware of midi... baffled by it really. I mostly wanted to be able to que up and record loops/tracks with a single foot press as well as control feedback and/or levels with the expression pedals. can you explain to a dummy what a midi bank change is? Thanks! -jas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 15:05:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12847; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 14:40:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 14:40:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B93D8E0.5C1288B2@cabq.gov> Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 12:24:16 -0700 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater: Track Bleed Through References: <20010903073902.83694.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> <3B93953A.ADB73F0D@cabq.gov> <3B93BE4F.D8B97E9A@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I got a chance to de-bug my rig, and it seems the the Repeater was NOT causing the problems after all... the culprit seems to be... the Digitech 33B. I dont really understand how it could be acting like this, but after unplugging everything and slowly adding things back to the chain everything is clean until the digitech is in place. The lexicon gear ahead of Repeater is fine, until the digitech is added to the first spot in the chain (it's mono input requires it to be number 1). If anyone have any ideas on how this can be happening, I would love to hear them. Anyway, I am really glad the Repeater has a clean bill of health. I am not to troubled by pulling the digitech from the rack, as its a kinda noisey beast. Repeater is great, i am getting the hang of queing and recording loops with the front panal... hoping to be able to pull it off smoothly with a midi foot controller. later, -jas Albuquerque From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 15:26:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14780; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 15:01:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 15:01:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 11:34:43 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: S. Morse/Lexicon PrimeTime In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:47 AM -0700 9/3/01, Mark Landman wrote: >I had a Prime Time II, model 95 delay, many years ago. The II was a >successor to the Super I believe, and was very similar with the addition of >longer delay times (up to 7.7 seconds at 8 khz, or 3.84 at 16 khz), a >multi-waveform sweep function (envelope following, sine and square outputs, >the square wave was wonderful as a pitch mangler on long delays), "ducking" >echo ability, and clock output. The Prime Time II is very similar to the Super Prime Time, though it sounds like it can have a longer delay time. The SPT has slightly more high end, being rated up to 20 kHz. I'm not sure what functional differences there might be. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 15:33:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15029; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 15:08:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 15:08:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20010903073902.83694.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> <3B93953A.ADB73F0D@cabq.gov> <3B93BE4F.D8B97E9A@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 14:54:28 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Repeater: MIDI (was record CFC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The illustrious Richard Zvonar wrote: >At 10:30 AM -0700 9/3/01, Mark wrote: >>However, it comes >>back to the question of midi bank change. I know my sequencer (Metro >>5.0 for the Macintosh) spits this out to gear, but after reading my >>Rolls MIDI Wizard manual, it does not seem like it speaks this type of >>MIDI word. It was years ago, but I don't think the X-15 does either. >>Only program number and CC. > >Controller 0 is an accepted standard for MIDI Bank Select, though >not every manufacturer uses it. Some synths like Continuous Controller 32 for MIDI Bank Select. I should know because I spent a reasonable amount of time this weekend entering program changes for a Yamaha VL-70, which has multiple banks, into my Midi Mitigator, and had to enter "controller 32, value 0" (or 1) about a zillion times. (and it works, I tested it) /t .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 15:52:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16267; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 15:28:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 15:28:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3B93D75F.3CFECF04@cabq.gov> References: <20010903073902.83694.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> <3B93953A.ADB73F0D@cabq.gov> <3B93BE4F.D8B97E9A@zerocrossing.net> <3B93D75F.3CFECF04@cabq.gov> Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 15:15:15 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Repeater: MIDI (was record CFC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >can you explain to a dummy what a midi bank change is? now, now, don't run yerself down! it's simple enough ONCE someone tells you. MIDI program changes tell a MIDI synthesizer to switch to a new sound. (*) However, there are only 128 possible MIDI program changes and a lot of synthesizers have a lot more than 128 sounds. So in these synths, the sounds are organized into Banks. In order to switch between banks, you send a MIDI Bank Change command. You can have up to 128 banks which means Each bank contains (up to) 128 programs. So that means that you can have up to 16384 different sounds. The way it works in practice is that you send a MIDI Bank Change command to select the bank, and then send a MIDI program change command to select the program. It's effortless once you get it down and I don't seem to notice any extra delay in getting the program out... /t (* - Actually some gizmos do other things with the program changes -- for example, lighting units might move to a new scene -- but the idea still holds...) .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 16:35:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19263; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 16:10:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 16:10:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 13:03:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Roland Wave Processor Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Looping Friends- I'm curious if any of you out there have had a chance to fool with the new Wave Processor from Roland. I'd like to know in general how well it works, tracks, sounds, etc. Since it modifies the original signal for it's synthesizer waveform effects, instead of deriving a pitch and converting to midi, I thought it might work well and actually have a more animated sound than just driving a midi synth... As this is just a simplification of Rolands VG technology, any VG users out there are inited to chime in... Thanks- Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 16:40:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19612; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 16:19:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 16:19:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 13:00:54 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Repeater: MIDI (was record CFC) In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20010903073902.83694.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> <3B93953A.ADB73F0D@cabq.gov> <3B93BE4F.D8B97E9A@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:54 PM -0400 9/3/01, Tom Ritchford wrote: >Some synths like Continuous Controller 32 for MIDI Bank Select. > >I should know because I spent a reasonable amount of time this weekend >entering program changes for a Yamaha VL-70, which has multiple banks, >into my Midi Mitigator, and had to enter "controller 32, value 0" (or 1) >about a zillion times. Controller 32 is the Least Significant Byte (LSB) associated with Controller 0. As far as I know, most devices don't use the LSB because the MSB allows selection of up to 128 banks. The VL70 has an unusual implementation of bank select, since it has only twelve banks. It appears that Yamaha is allowing for multiple categories of banks, in order to accommodate various General MIDI formats such as XG. In order to select among the VL70's four main banks, the MSB (Controller 0) is set to 33 and the LSB (Controller 32) is set to 0, 1, 2, or 3. In order to select among the VL-XG banks (banks 112-119) the MSB is set to either 97 or 81 and the LSB is set to the corresponding bank number 112-119. Has anyone encountered similar implementations? A very informative discussion of MIDI Bank Select can be found at: http://www.borg.com/~jglatt/tutr/bank.htm -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 16:43:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19573; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 16:18:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 16:18:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20010903073902.83694.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> <3B93953A.ADB73F0D@cabq.gov> <3B93BE4F.D8B97E9A@zerocrossing.net> <3B93D75F.3CFECF04@cabq.gov> Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 16:04:06 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Repeater: MIDI (was record CFC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <5ngjwD.A.6pE.-J-k7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com oops, a bad edit in the previous message: here's the corrected version. >>can you explain to a dummy what a midi bank change is? > >now, now, don't run yerself down! > >it's simple enough ONCE someone tells you. > > >MIDI program changes tell a MIDI synthesizer to switch >to a new sound. (*) > >However, there are only 128 possible MIDI program changes >and a lot of synthesizers have a lot more than 128 >sounds. > >So in these synths, the sounds are organized into Banks. > >In order to switch between banks, you send a MIDI Bank >Change command. You can have up to 128 banks. Each >bank could have up to 128 programs completely independently. > >So that means that you can have up to 16384 different sounds. > > >The way it works in practice is that you send a MIDI Bank >Change command to select the bank, and then send a MIDI >program change command to select the program. It's >effortless once you get it down and I don't seem to >notice any extra delay in getting the program out... > > /t > > >(* - Actually some gizmos do other things with the program changes -- >for example, lighting units might move to a new scene -- but the >idea still holds...) > > >.........a new fortune every minute. >..................Forteans of New York. .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 17:09:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21022; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 16:43:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 16:43:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 13:36:14 -0700 Subject: Repeater noise problem From: sukhjindersandhu To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm wondering if any other repeater users have noticed a strange wavering of pitch when nothing is looped, but the phones or main outs are cranked. It's almost like a low oscillating tone. Again, i'm not playing anything through repeater but the noise level is very high. Could it be software or hardware related? I've tried moving repeater away from other gear, plus all kinds of level changing and checking but the noise persists. Is there a bypass option someone can suggest? Sukhjinder From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 18:19:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25213; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 17:54:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 17:54:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010903141627.045254c8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 14:40:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: midi pedals In-Reply-To: <3B93953A.ADB73F0D@cabq.gov> References: <20010903073902.83694.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <0J3PxD.A.zBG.jl_k7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:35 AM 9/3/2001, Jason Fink wrote: >John Tidwell wrote: > > > I think Electrix may come to regret listing some of > > those midi controllers on their web-site. I already > > own an ART X-15 & it provides limited control at best. > > I have a Peavey PC-1600x on order. I'm hoping it will > > solve a lot of my midi control problems. > > > >Akkk! I just bought an X-15 on ebay ($60) hoping it will >really open things up! Have not even received it yet. That is one of many pedals that was only created for simply selecting a preset on a multi-effect in a guitar rack, and giving a little bit of continuous controller functionality to adjust the reverb amount or something. They hardly support any midi commands and have very limited programmability. If I remember right, the x-15 is even limited to a single midi channel. You can hardly expect these limited-function pedals to be very useful for controlling a more sophisticated device like a looper. They won't be able to control all the functions. Even if you can get it to control some of the functions, sooner or later you will find it won't do what you want. And certainly if you are starting to play with something like the Repeater, you will be looking at more midi devices in the future, like sequencers, synths, samplers, etc. So why waste time with it? Get a full featured pedal that supports all of the midi commands, and can be programmed to work in a variety of ways. You will be much happier in the long run. There are plenty of good ones that don't even cost more and are not any harder to use. Something like the digitech PMC-10, lake-butler midigator, roland fc-200, yamaha mfc-10, rocktron all-access, etc. I heard that digital music corp is finally making a new version of the Ground Control. Does anybody know anything about that? Hopefully they will do it right this time and include the full midi spec and more options for how the buttons operate. (i.e., hopefully they make something like the PMC-10.) The old ground control was so frustrating because it had the potential to be a good pedal, but they completely crippled it by only supporting program change and a some limited cc control. Not to mention lack of midi-in so you couldn't even save patches and restore them. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 18:46:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27644; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 18:21:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 18:21:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B93FF42.2A9B1A2A@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 15:08:02 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater: Wish list. References: <20010903073902.83694.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> <3B93953A.ADB73F0D@cabq.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ha, I know this thing just shipped, but I already have a wish list. Just a few tidbits that I think would help overall functionality. 1) I'd really like to be able to cue a new loop to wait for the current loop to finish and then go into record. That would be sweet. 2) A shortcut to loop-erase that doesn't envolve having to select all used tracks. 3) Wet/Dry mix! (or dry kill) and that's what I want for Christmas Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 19:02:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29072; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 18:37:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 18:37:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20010903073902.83694.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> <3B93953A.ADB73F0D@cabq.gov> <3B93BE4F.D8B97E9A@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 18:24:21 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Repeater: MIDI (was record CFC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <5yU8zD.A.k0G.yNAl7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dr. Zvonar wrote: >At 2:54 PM -0400 9/3/01, Tom Ritchford wrote: > >>Some synths like Continuous Controller 32 for MIDI Bank Select. >> >>I should know because I spent a reasonable amount of time this weekend >>entering program changes for a Yamaha VL-70, which has multiple banks, >>into my Midi Mitigator, and had to enter "controller 32, value 0" (or 1) >>about a zillion times. > >Controller 32 is the Least Significant Byte (LSB) associated with >Controller 0. As far as I know, most devices don't use the LSB >because the MSB allows selection of up to 128 banks. and my face is red because I knew about "smooth" controls that let you send 14-bit values by sending to two 7-bit controllers that are 32 positions apart. and of course 32-0 = 32... so controller 32 must be the least significant bytes of controller 0! has all the MIDI specs in just text format -- the best way. very handy. >The VL70 has an unusual implementation of bank select, since it has >only twelve banks. Twelve? Surely, uh, eight? Four banks (2 programmed, 1 custom, 1 internal) times two modes (Wind/XG -- the XG is interesting but not for a wind player...) >It appears that Yamaha is allowing for multiple categories of banks, >in order to accommodate various General MIDI formats such as XG. In >order to select among the VL70's four main banks, the MSB >(Controller 0) is set to 33 and the LSB (Controller 32) is set to 0, >1, 2, or 3. In order to select among the VL-XG banks (banks 112-119) >the MSB is set to either 97 or 81 >and the LSB is set to the corresponding bank number 112-119. Wow, that's so arcane! >Has anyone encountered similar implementations? No -- but the Peavey PC1600 series has provisions for all sorts of wacky ways to split up parameters so they must have encountered a lot of special cases. /t .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 19:25:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31231; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 19:00:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 19:00:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010903145154.04448550@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 15:43:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Repeater: MIDI (was record CFC) In-Reply-To: References: <3B93D75F.3CFECF04@cabq.gov> <20010903073902.83694.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> <3B93953A.ADB73F0D@cabq.gov> <3B93BE4F.D8B97E9A@zerocrossing.net> <3B93D75F.3CFECF04@cabq.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:15 PM 9/3/2001, Tom Ritchford wrote: >MIDI program changes tell a MIDI synthesizer to switch >to a new sound. (*) right. as the midi spec says "When a 'program' (i.e., sound, voice, tone, preset, or patch) is changed, the number corresponding to the newly selected program is transmitted." so a "program" is defined in midi as sound, voice, tone, preset, or patch. >(* - Actually some gizmos do other things with the program changes -- >for example, lighting units might move to a new scene -- but the >idea still holds...) To me that still fits with the idea of a preset. unfortunately, there are some gizmos now using program change to control things that are not programs at all, but actual functions. (like looper functions, for example.) This is breaking the midi spec, in my opinion. The reason manufacturers do this is because of the existence of simple-minded midi pedals out there that only send program change messages. Rather than tell users that they have to get a midi pedal with reasonable functionality to control a more sophisticated device than a multi-effect, the manufacturer contorts their midi implementation to do everything possible only using program change commands. Lexicon did this with the JamMan, and I was sad to see that Electrix is now doing it with Repeater. In the short term it is convenient for some users who already own a simple-minded controller. They will be happy that it is still useable. So it is understandable that some manufacturers make this choice. But in the long term it is harmful. For one thing it is watering down the midi spec, which makes it hard for other manufacturers to design similar devices since the standards become confused. It also reduces the demand for full-featured midi controller pedals, so those of us who wish that there were more good pedals on the market have to wait longer and continue to listen to the pedal manufacturers tell us that pedals are for guitar players, guitar players are dumb, and therefore cannot understand anything beyond a simple program change command. And it comes back to hurt the manufacturer as well, because now they have eliminated the possibility of supporting presets in their own device! So for example, you can never have a future Repeater upgrade that supports presets because program change commands have already been dedicated to execute the basic functions, instead of being left available for their intended purpose of changing presets.... Users with basic midi controllers would be really unhappy with a future upgrade that takes that away. So the manufacturer becomes stuck with this choice.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 19:32:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31534; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 19:07:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 19:07:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 15:53:42 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Repeater: MIDI (was record CFC) In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20010903073902.83694.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> <3B93953A.ADB73F0D@cabq.gov> <3B93BE4F.D8B97E9A@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:24 PM -0400 9/3/01, Tom Ritchford wrote: > >>The VL70 has an unusual implementation of bank select, since it has >>only twelve banks. > >Twelve? Surely, uh, eight? Four banks (2 programmed, 1 custom, 1 internal) >times two modes (Wind/XG -- the XG is interesting but not for a wind >player...) The manual lists twelve: Four regular banks plus eight XG banks. However, I didn't consider the Wind/XG duality. Maybe 4*2+8 = 16? I dunno. >>Has anyone encountered similar implementations? > >No -- but the Peavey PC1600 series has provisions for all sorts of >wacky ways to split up parameters so they must have encountered >a lot of special cases. > Unfortunately, my older PC1600 doesn't support Controller 0! -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 20:13:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA00920; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 19:48:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 19:48:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 16:27:40 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Repeater: MIDI (was record CFC) In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20010903073902.83694.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> <3B93953A.ADB73F0D@cabq.gov> <3B93BE4F.D8B97E9A@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:24 PM -0400 9/3/01, Tom Ritchford wrote: >>The VL70 has an unusual implementation of bank select, since it has >>only twelve banks. > >Twelve? Surely, uh, eight? Four banks (2 programmed, 1 custom, 1 internal) >times two modes (Wind/XG -- the XG is interesting but not for a wind >player...) From the VL70-m manual: The VL70-m voices are organized into four main banks. Additional banks are used when the VL70-m is set to operatie in the VL-XG sound module mode. The four main banks are as follows: PRESET 1 The PRESET 1 bank contains 128 present voices which have benn created primarily to be played via a keyboard. PRESET 2 The PRESET 2 bank contains 128 presetn voices which have been creted to provide maximum expressive capability when played with a breath controller or WX-series Wind MIDI Controller. CUSTOM The CUSTOM bank has 6 memory locations in which voices can be edited in detail via an appropriate personal computer and the Ymaha VL70-m Expert Editor application software... INTERNAL The INTERNAL bank has 64 memory locations in which voices you have edited can be sotred and easy [sic] recalled for use as required... Banks 112 through 119 become available when the VL70-m is set to the VL-XG sound module mode. In the VL-XG sound module mode some voices from the PRESET 1 and PRESET 2 banks are assigned MIDI bank and program change numbers conforming to the Yamaha XG format. Since the VL70-m does not have a full set of XG-compatible voices, however, some voice numbers will be skipped (e.g. 23, 24, 27, etc.). -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 20:19:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01177; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 19:54:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 19:54:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: midi pedals Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 16:44:52 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010903141627.045254c8@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone have any experience using an MPX-R1 with non-Lexicon units? How do the features look in terms of controlling a Repeater? I got a good deal on a brand new unit ($325) and I plan on picking up a G2 in the next couple of months, so it will certainly come in handy. But will the controller give me true flexibility when using the Repeater? Anyone? Thanks, Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 20:31:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02778; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 20:06:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 20:06:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JohnFlem@aol.com Message-ID: <6b.1a0f4682.28c57241@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 19:54:41 EDT Subject: Re: Repeater Problem after SLEEP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When waking the Repeater up from Sleep mode, it isn't starting the Loop immediately after "Punching Out" of Record. Powering down and rebooting fixes it. Anyone else? jmp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 20:37:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03020; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 20:13:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 20:13:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: partagas.dragonet.es: 193-153-189-249.uc.nombres.ttd.es [193.153.189.249] didn't use HELO protocol Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010904021026.0099e650@mail.dragonet.es> X-Sender: d3055@mail.dragonet.es X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 02:10:26 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Raul Bonell Subject: free Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi friends If you like free music, check this link out. Hope to read your feedback ! Thanks. (sorry for those receiving this message twice) El Cau De La Figa Reial http://www.dragonet.es/users/d3055/rb From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 20:39:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03160; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 20:15:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 20:15:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JohnFlem@aol.com Message-ID: <165.4899b4.28c57449@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 20:03:21 EDT Subject: Re: Subject: Repeater & Tempo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK..... I just played a Stupid sounding Bluegrass lick @ 110bpm I slowed it down to 7 bpm and could still what notes were playing! Of course there are lots of artifacts....Cool thing is that you can TAP your new tempo in after you make your loop :) jmp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 21:08:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05169; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 20:43:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 20:43:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20010903073902.83694.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> <3B93953A.ADB73F0D@cabq.gov> <3B93BE4F.D8B97E9A@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 20:28:42 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Repeater: MIDI (was record CFC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Banks 112 through 119 become available when the VL70-m is set to the >VL-XG sound module mode. In the VL-XG sound module mode some voices >from the PRESET 1 and PRESET 2 banks are assigned MIDI bank and >program change numbers conforming to the Yamaha XG format. Since the >VL70-m does not have a full set of XG-compatible voices, however, >some voice numbers will be skipped (e.g. 23, 24, 27, etc.). So these are the extra 8 banks! This XG mode is quite clever -- a much better generalization of General MIDI where your MIDI performance could well be taken from system to system intactus. /t .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 23:18:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA12839; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 22:57:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 22:57:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B90EFC0.C704F5B@opendoor.com> Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 07:25:05 -0700 From: kevin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bob Sellon's Jamman stereo multitrack upgrade References: <3B8FE10C.B560D7AD@zerocrossing.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20010901005352.00b10490@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Kim and Ed: Sorry I was misinformed. I am thrilled Bob is doing upgrades again. Loopers should definitly check out this link. Best, Kevin Kim Flint wrote: > At 02:59 PM 8/31/2001, kevin cooney wrote: > >Mark: > > > >There were only a few prototypes upgrades to the Jamman, it was never a > >commercial product. For a while the manual for the upgrade was online, but > >I believe it too has disappeared. There are archives in Looper's Delight > >that explain what it was all about. > > no, it is all still there. The link on the LD jamman page is still good: > > http://people.ne.mediaone.net/sellon/jamman1.htm > > Bob even has a note there that he is sending out upgrades again. > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 23:42:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15276; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 23:22:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 23:22:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: midi pedals Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 22:09:54 -0500 Message-ID: <008101c134ef$1219bfb0$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010903141627.045254c8@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Speaking of pedals, has anyone heard if the pedal for the new Line 6 Vetta that is coming out, will have programming capability and functionality like the PMC10? It sure would be incredible since it has two pedals and a whole slew of metal buttons that would make a nice all purpose controller. Steve > > > At 07:35 AM 9/3/2001, Jason Fink wrote: > >John Tidwell wrote: > > > > > I think Electrix may come to regret listing some of > > > those midi controllers on their web-site. I already > > > own an ART X-15 & it provides limited control at best. > > > I have a Peavey PC-1600x on order. I'm hoping it will > > > solve a lot of my midi control problems. > > > > > > >Akkk! I just bought an X-15 on ebay ($60) hoping it will > >really open things up! Have not even received it yet. > > That is one of many pedals that was only created for simply > selecting a > preset on a multi-effect in a guitar rack, and giving a little bit of > continuous controller functionality to adjust the reverb amount or > something. They hardly support any midi commands and have > very limited > programmability. If I remember right, the x-15 is even > limited to a single > midi channel. > > You can hardly expect these limited-function pedals to be > very useful for > controlling a more sophisticated device like a looper. They > won't be able > to control all the functions. Even if you can get it to > control some of the > functions, sooner or later you will find it won't do what you > want. And > certainly if you are starting to play with something like the > Repeater, you > will be looking at more midi devices in the future, like sequencers, > synths, samplers, etc. So why waste time with it? > > Get a full featured pedal that supports all of the midi > commands, and can > be programmed to work in a variety of ways. You will be much > happier in the > long run. There are plenty of good ones that don't even cost > more and are > not any harder to use. Something like the digitech PMC-10, > lake-butler > midigator, roland fc-200, yamaha mfc-10, rocktron all-access, etc. > > I heard that digital music corp is finally making a new > version of the > Ground Control. Does anybody know anything about that? > Hopefully they will > do it right this time and include the full midi spec and more > options for > how the buttons operate. (i.e., hopefully they make something > like the > PMC-10.) The old ground control was so frustrating because it had the > potential to be a good pedal, but they completely crippled it by only > supporting program change and a some limited cc control. Not > to mention > lack of midi-in so you couldn't even save patches and restore them. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 23:45:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15438; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 23:25:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 23:25:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: midi pedals Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 22:13:00 -0500 Message-ID: <008201c134ef$80c5cf80$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From what I could tell, it could send just about anything the PMC10 does, except sysex or complete midi strings. But it does send bank, CC & patch changes and I think you can switch back and forth between controlling your G2 and everything else. Steve > > Does anyone have any experience using an MPX-R1 with > non-Lexicon units? How do the features look in terms of > controlling a Repeater? I got a good deal on a brand new > unit ($325) and I plan on picking up a G2 in the next couple > of months, so it will certainly come in handy. But will the > controller give me true flexibility when using the Repeater? Anyone? > > Thanks, > > Tim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 00:08:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA17802; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 23:48:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 23:48:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B944DEE.76F2E8F3@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 20:52:20 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: all quiet on the western front References: <200108311458.KAA11803@hemlock.violacea.com> <3B8FB98E.6E02@Hevanet.Com.> <3B904AB4.EF8F935B@altruistmusic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey all awfully quiet on the list today. muz be a holiday or sumpin'... lance g. (aka solo proprietore & fulltimeworkaholic-any other kind?) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 00:19:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19814; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 23:59:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 23:59:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010903205154.02002a40@pop.mindspring.com> X-Files: The truth is out there. Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 20:54:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Subject: RE: midi pedals In-Reply-To: <008101c134ef$1219bfb0$6501a8c0@stevespc> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010903141627.045254c8@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Never heard of it. Looks pretty impressive - http://www.line6.com/Main/The_Buzz/Hot_News/VettaRollout/Vettaintro.htm Gotta wonder if they implemented the dedicated switches in such a way that an end-user could undedicate them... At 08:09 PM 9/3/2001, Steve wrote: >Speaking of pedals, has anyone heard if the pedal for the new Line 6 >Vetta that is coming out, will have programming capability and >functionality like the PMC10? It sure would be incredible since it has >two pedals and a whole slew of metal buttons that would make a nice all >purpose controller. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 01:29:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA29560; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 01:09:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 01:09:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010903205924.044f6240@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 21:54:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: midi pedals In-Reply-To: <008201c134ef$80c5cf80$6501a8c0@stevespc> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <-fco3.A.uxG.j7Fl7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:13 PM 9/3/2001, M. Steven Ginn wrote: > >From what I could tell, it could send just about anything the PMC10 >does, except sysex or complete midi strings. But it does send bank, CC >& patch changes and I think you can switch back and forth between >controlling your G2 and everything else. no, this pedal is nothing like a digitech PMC-10. The brochure on the lexicon site says the MPX-R1 only sends midi program change, bank, and continuous controllers. There isn't much detail beyond that, but I've heard more about it otherwise. As a midi controller I would say it is really weak. *Far* less midi functionality than a full featured pedal like the pmc-10!! There was a past discussion about it on Looper's Delight, where people from lexicon answered some questions about it. Some notable negatives from that: - cannot send more than one message from a given button - the buttons don't have programming flexibility to operate either as toggle or momentary. (i.e., either send one midi string when pressing down, and a different string when releasing, or send one string the first press and a different string the second.) In fact, I think think it only sends one command when you press the button, and that's it. - doesn't send note on/off - doesn't do sysex (probably doesn't do any other midi commands either....) - no midi filtering on the midi in - uses switches that make loud click sounds when you press them, and the throw is really long so it is hard to tap with accuracy As a midi controller it is pretty lame, you can easily do much better. It is definitely not worth $325 imho. Unless you are using it with the lex G2, and really, really want the few extra features it has custom for that box. kim > > Does anyone have any experience using an MPX-R1 with > > non-Lexicon units? How do the features look in terms of > > controlling a Repeater? I got a good deal on a brand new > > unit ($325) and I plan on picking up a G2 in the next couple > > of months, so it will certainly come in handy. But will the > > controller give me true flexibility when using the Repeater? Anyone? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 01:41:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA30473; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 01:21:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 01:21:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010903215732.04564798@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 22:06:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: midi pedals In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010903205154.02002a40@pop.mindspring.com> References: <008101c134ef$1219bfb0$6501a8c0@stevespc> <5.1.0.14.2.20010903141627.045254c8@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com more of those big noisy buttons. They don't mention anything about midi at all for this pedal, although I imagine that is how it actually works. I would think if it had any interesting midi functions they would advertise that. Unless of course the are afraid of scaring away guitar players with the word "midi" so they don't mention it. Of course if that is the case then they probably would keep the pedal functionality simple, so don't expect much. looks to me like they are doing the same thing as lexicon... throw a few special dedicated functions onto a very basic midi pedal, then charge people a lot for it since they will all think they need that pedal. kim At 08:54 PM 9/3/2001, Sean wrote: >Never heard of it. Looks pretty impressive - >http://www.line6.com/Main/The_Buzz/Hot_News/VettaRollout/Vettaintro.htm > >Gotta wonder if they implemented the dedicated switches in such a way that >an end-user could undedicate them... > > > >At 08:09 PM 9/3/2001, Steve wrote: >>Speaking of pedals, has anyone heard if the pedal for the new Line 6 >>Vetta that is coming out, will have programming capability and >>functionality like the PMC10? It sure would be incredible since it has >>two pedals and a whole slew of metal buttons that would make a nice all >>purpose controller. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 02:10:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA01147; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 01:50:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 01:50:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: DialaThos@aol.com Message-ID: <91.fe45ea2.28c5c238@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 01:35:52 EDT Subject: Re: midi pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 8 Resent-Message-ID: <9h4Pw.A.GuH.8gGl7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, New to the list (and looping for that matter), but I just picked up a Repeater and happened to spend the weekend working with it and my Roland FC-200, so for what it's worth I thought I'd do a quick show and tell (well.. more tell I guess). I've used the FC-200 for years now to control a rack of multi-fx and a synth setup for Chapman Stick. It has 4 modes to it.. program change, continuous controller, note mode and system exclusive. To date I've only been using program change and note mode (which sets it up as a one octave MIDI keyboard in essence). The continuous controller mode seems to be working pretty darn well with the Repeater though. It allows for the FC-200's 13 pedals to each be assigned a controller number. There are a few limitations (which frankly I don't get) as far as what numbers you can assign... but in general you can use any numbers from 1-31 and 33-95. This (if you glance at your Repeater manual) covers about 80% or so of the Repeater's features.. the exceptions being, Loop multiply, FX insert, Tempo Lock, Loop select up and loop select down. Sounds like a lot missing, but.. you CAN do record select for all 4 tracks, level/mute for all 4 tracks, track slip (all 4), panning (all 4), pitch control (yup), overdub feedback level and all the basics (play, stop, record, undo, reverse, play/stop). Also of interest is that all of these pedals can be set to latch or momentary type operation. If 13 pedals isn't enough, you also have a built in continuos controller (#'s 1-31, 33 to 95), and 6 jacks on the back where you can add other expression pedals or momentary/latch pedals. Seems to cover all my needs. --Tom G. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 02:23:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03109; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 02:03:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 02:03:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: DialaThos@aol.com Message-ID: <12a.3e211c9.28c5c5ca@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 01:51:06 EDT Subject: Repeater record time left? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A question for you all now... Has anyone found a way to make Repeater display how much free memory/record time is left? (in seconds or some such perhaps.. ala Echoplex). --Tom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 05:45:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA16717; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 05:25:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 05:25:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c135b0$a6382c60$02000003@mpx.com.au> From: "cameron street" To: Subject: Repeater in australia Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 19:15:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C13575.F6CF21A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C13575.F6CF21A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Repeater in australia, retail. $1700. I've taken 1 home for a week to try out. The first thing i noticed, was.=20 a delay in signal from my note attack, to speaker. it's very short, but it's there. has anyone found this? or is it that australia is SO far away from the rest of the world, even the notes take longer to travel. he he. cam=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C13575.F6CF21A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C13575.F6CF21A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 07:14:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA22552; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 06:54:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 06:54:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c1352f$472ab200$ec0613d5@chevalique> From: "Un chval" To: References: Subject: Re: Roland Wave Processor Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 12:39:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > As this is just a simplification of Rolands VG technology, any VG users out > there are inited to chime in... Hi. I use VG-8 for 4 years, if I may be of any help in what you want to know... The synth sounds in VG are very expressive, as it is processing of your instruments signal, they react very well and instantly, they can change over time with the changes of your strings tone, or with the expression pedal, but they are basic synth engines. Soustractive, I mean, TB303 type, PWM, double-filter, organic, crystal (must be FM I think)... It's very attractive for a guitar player to use these kind of sounds like the conventionnal distortion of an amp. Much more effects. M'sieur Ch'val --- Le rendez-vous des zamis des chevalx : http://tichoual.free.fr/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 10:40:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03246; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:19:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:19:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003101c135d9$b625f200$02000003@mpx.com.au> From: "cameron street" To: References: Subject: Re: Repeater noise problem Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 00:09:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yep. i know the noise u mean, i was to scaird to mention it on here, i could get thrown off the list, haaa. The repeater seems to be noisier than the headrush to me. I was quite shocked at the noise. I've only had the thing for 8 hours. I've balanced all the gain structures, but it's still got a hiss. I tried taking the thing out, and it's silent. I'm quite pissed off. I have it on loan for a week, let's see how i go this time next week. cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "sukhjindersandhu" To: Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 1:36 PM Subject: Repeater noise problem > I'm wondering if any other repeater users have noticed a strange wavering > of pitch when nothing is looped, but the phones or main outs are cranked. > It's almost like a low oscillating tone. Again, i'm not playing anything > through repeater but the noise level is very high. Could it be software > or hardware related? I've tried moving repeater away from other gear, plus > all kinds of level changing and checking but the noise persists. Is there a > bypass option someone can suggest? > > Sukhjinder > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 10:53:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03941; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:32:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:32:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: midi pedals Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 09:19:36 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c1354c$a1017b20$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010903205924.044f6240@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Since most of the discussion about pedals comes back to the PMC10, can anyone recommend any modifications that will improve the quality of the PMC10 and ensure that it will continue to have a long life? For starters, I know the plastic switches seem awefully delicate. Has anyone found a more durable replacement for those switches? Thanks, Steve > > no, this pedal is nothing like a digitech PMC-10. The brochure on the > lexicon site says the MPX-R1 only sends midi program change, > bank, and > continuous controllers. There isn't much detail beyond that, > but I've heard > more about it otherwise. As a midi controller I would say it > is really > weak. *Far* less midi functionality than a full featured > pedal like the > pmc-10!! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 11:15:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05064; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:54:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:54:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B94E878.7D40E7A6@club-internet.fr> Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 16:43:05 +0200 From: Emmanuel PERILLE X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [fr] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater noise problem References: <003101c135d9$b625f200$02000003@mpx.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com cameron street wrote : > Yep. i know the noise u mean, i was to scaird to > mention it on here, i could get thrown off the list, haaa. > The repeater seems to be noisier than the headrush > to me. I was quite shocked at the noise. > I've only had the thing for 8 hours. I've balanced all the > gain structures, but it's still got a hiss. I tried taking > the thing out, and it's silent. I'm quite pissed off. > I have it on loan for a week, let's see how i go > this time next week. cam Would it be because of the codecs used in Repeater ? I know sometimes might happen some aliasing effects between different converter components. I mean if you sample an analog signal coming out from a previous digital equipment into another digital recorder, sometimes anti-aliasing filters are not so perfect and different sampling rates make some hiss due to the difference of frequencies ... Emmanuel > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sukhjindersandhu" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 1:36 PM > Subject: Repeater noise problem > > > I'm wondering if any other repeater users have noticed a strange wavering > > of pitch when nothing is looped, but the phones or main outs are cranked. > > It's almost like a low oscillating tone. Again, i'm not playing anything > > through repeater but the noise level is very high. Could it be software > > or hardware related? I've tried moving repeater away from other gear, plus > > all kinds of level changing and checking but the noise persists. Is there > a > > bypass option someone can suggest? > > > > Sukhjinder > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 11:21:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06583; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 11:01:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 11:01:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 09:52:04 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Repeater & Tempo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00ed01c13551$29447560$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00EA_01C13527.404D02B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <017e01c134a4$a3b95e80$b77ba8c0@being> Resent-Message-ID: <8dtpIC.A.ELB.XoOl7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00EA_01C13527.404D02B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable it seems to do a great job slowing down with few artifacts, but i have noticed that extreme changes in tempo tend to sound pretty weird. (weird is a good feature for me) i do think it would still be good for learning purposes... i don't know anything about the tr-1000. Please post information on the following: Can you slow audio down without pitch change that is of good quality = (few artifacts)? What is the actual range of this function (I.E. - max and min ranges = for speed up and slow down) Is this function stable (someone just posted a Repeater lockup during = tempo function)? Any feedback on the TR-1000 or similar devices? Grazie, Philoop=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00EA_01C13527.404D02B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
it seems to do a great job slowing down = with few=20 artifacts,
but i have noticed that extreme changes = in tempo=20 tend to
sound pretty weird.  = (weird is a good=20 feature for me)
i do think it would still be good for = learning=20 purposes...
 
i don't know anything about the=20 tr-1000.
 
Please post information on the = following:

Can you=20 slow audio down without pitch change that is of good quality (few=20 artifacts)?

What is the actual range of this function (I.E. - = max and=20 min ranges for speed up and slow down)

Is this function stable = (someone=20 just posted a Repeater lockup during tempo function)?

Any = feedback on=20 the TR-1000 or similar devices?


Grazie,
Philoop=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00EA_01C13527.404D02B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 11:26:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06750; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 11:05:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 11:05:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Apparently-From: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 09:53:52 -0500 Subject: Boomerang noise problem From: Mike Feeney To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" , cameron street Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003101c135d9$b625f200$02000003@mpx.com.au> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6fhjK.A.pOB.BsOl7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com speaking of looper noise, the Boomerang generates an intolerable amount of noise for me sometimes (but other times not). I think it involves a nice ground loop issue, but makes looping in my home studio quite impossible. Ah, the beauty of apartment complex living. other times I've noticed the noise in practices with my band as well, and if I turn the boomerang loop volume all the way down, it kills the noise. Kind of a pain. solutions? =) mike on 9/5/01 2.09 AM, cameron street at c.jas@optusnet.com.au wrote: > Yep. i know the noise u mean, i was to scaird to > mention it on here, i could get thrown off the list, haaa. > The repeater seems to be noisier than the headrush > to me. I was quite shocked at the noise. > I've only had the thing for 8 hours. I've balanced all the > gain structures, but it's still got a hiss. I tried taking > the thing out, and it's silent. I'm quite pissed off. > I have it on loan for a week, let's see how i go > this time next week. cam > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sukhjindersandhu" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 1:36 PM > Subject: Repeater noise problem > > >> I'm wondering if any other repeater users have noticed a strange wavering >> of pitch when nothing is looped, but the phones or main outs are cranked. >> It's almost like a low oscillating tone. Again, i'm not playing anything >> through repeater but the noise level is very high. Could it be software >> or hardware related? I've tried moving repeater away from other gear, plus >> all kinds of level changing and checking but the noise persists. Is there > a >> bypass option someone can suggest? >> >> Sukhjinder >> >> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 11:33:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07068; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 11:13:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 11:13:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 10:01:47 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Repeater noise problem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <010d01c13552$84a1c830$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: <0Bh8L.A.zjB.axOl7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i have heard the noise you are referring to. it sounds like clock noise. i have only used repeater with headphones and was hoping it would not appear in the normal outputs. (ie. the headphone amp not well shielded) which outputs are you using and is your cable well shielded? i find it hard to believe the heavy duty aluminum case doesn't block clocking noises... ----- Original Message ----- From: "sukhjindersandhu" To: Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 3:36 PM Subject: Repeater noise problem > I'm wondering if any other repeater users have noticed a strange wavering > of pitch when nothing is looped, but the phones or main outs are cranked. > It's almost like a low oscillating tone. Again, i'm not playing anything > through repeater but the noise level is very high. Could it be software > or hardware related? I've tried moving repeater away from other gear, plus > all kinds of level changing and checking but the noise persists. Is there a > bypass option someone can suggest? > > Sukhjinder > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 12:06:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08989; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 11:45:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 11:45:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 10:36:29 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: repeater/mofx synch To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <014f01c13557$5e1f48e0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeah, another repeater message.... has anybody tried synching repeater and mofx? i tried it this weekend with the mofx slaved to the repeater and it seems to be having quite a bit of trouble keeping synch. the main problem is delay. it quite frequently (several times per measure) has to readjust to stay synched causing all kinds of weird bent-pitch artifacts. i like weird, but i also like to use synchronized delay without the weirdness. i was unable to get the repeater to synch to the mofx though that would be much less desirable, even if it worked... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 12:31:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11116; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 12:11:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 12:11:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 08:58:25 -0700 From: "Miko Biffle" To: Subject: Re: A Repeater suggestion Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA10485 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> Sorry Andre... It's a simple question, that we've spent more time engaged with you, than the designers. << > Then I'm sorry to have chimed in with an opinion. Since this is a public forum and discussion, it seems to me that anyone (including the designers) could choose to chime in on the ideas I've brought forth if they were so inclined. Again, it seems I've taken up an undue and unwelcome amount of your time, and for that I apologize. Sheesh... the designers seem to be saying they just missed that feature. Your opinion on this seems somewhat exclusive. You seem to say that they designed the box for someone other than us folks with the criticisms. I don't believe that's true. >> This just seems to be a different kettle of fish and I'm not quite sure why you're trying to dissuade us from asking these questions. << > That's not what I'm trying to do. What I AM trying to do is get a sense of where the design philosophy was coming from in the first place, and offer that philosophy forth as a response to criticisms which (in my increasingly dubious perspective) might not entirely reflect an appreciation of what Electrix was after. You seem to want to speak FOR them... that's what's intrigueing to me. You're not asking Electrix anything. You're making statements about what they might or might not have intended. (Or possibly taking their general statements about the product a bit too literally.) > And, as I've said before, I find it troubling when people start asking for modifications on gear they may not totally understand or be conversant with. Especially when they don't actually have the gear in hand. I'm sure I just don't get what those geniuses are tryin' to do with that fancy box! Jeeze Andre... I've gotten my answer from Damon. Had we just shut up and not asked, he'd be less informed of our particular desires; and we'd not know if they're going to do anything about it. I'm very happy to actually know they have plans to add the feature. Damn... we'd all just believe we're getting ACID in a box based on your statements; and Electrix would lose a few customers based on the belief that they really DON'T want to add the features we're interested in. > Sure thing, man. Sorry to have wasted any time trying to give my disinterested personal slant on where the product might be coming from. --Andre Sorry you're taking this so personally... I've always found your input on the many ideas discussed here interesting and insightful. In this instance, I felt you were just jumping between us and the people who could REALLY answer our questions. Peace, -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 12:44:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11682; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 12:24:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 12:24:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 09:07:56 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: midi pedals In-reply-to: <000001c1354c$a1017b20$6501a8c0@stevespc> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <000001c1354c$a1017b20$6501a8c0@stevespc> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:19 AM -0500 9/4/01, M. Steven Ginn wrote: >Since most of the discussion about pedals comes back to the PMC10, can >anyone recommend any modifications that will improve the quality of the >PMC10 and ensure that it will continue to have a long life? For >starters, I know the plastic switches seem awefully delicate. Has >anyone found a more durable replacement for those switches? The switch mechanism is in two parts. The switches themselves are tiny momentary switches directly attached to the circuit board. The plastic thing that you actually step on is just a piece of plastic with a small peg that clicks on the real switch when you step on it. The plastic piece attaches to the chassis with small flanges that break easily. I bought a PMC10 from a kid on eBay, only to discover that one of these "switches" had lost one of its flanges and was intermittent because the mechanical action was flaky. When I called Digitech about repairs I found out that parts were no longer available. Perhaps the best solution would be to replace the entire two-piece system with a single, robust, quiet, integrated switch. I general I've noticed that the more robust a switch is, the noisier it tends to be. Can someone suggest a suitabel part? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 13:22:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15937; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 13:00:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 13:00:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010904095911.00867580@mail.well.com> X-Sender: dog@mail.well.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 09:59:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: dan mcmullen Subject: Re: Repeater noise problem In-Reply-To: <010d01c13552$84a1c830$080210ac@jpalmer> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <6QMUED.A.SaD.NYQl7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com first off, this "noise" is fairly minimal compared to the level of a reasonably loud loop. it is interesting to note that the noise on my unit only occurs if the output level of the selected track is turned up. if i record to one track, then select another, empty track, i can elimitate the noise by turning down the level on the empty track. the noise does not seem to be recorded. also, the input level control does not affect the level of the noise. is this true for others? if so, there might be a software "solution". ___ dan mcmullen, ca, usa don't worry - pay attention mailto:dog@well.com 707-485-0220 pgp fingerprint = 1C70 8D81 6B94 93A9 F2D8 9609 2122 BF70 8619 EDAF From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 14:05:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18545; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 13:44:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 13:44:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010904102419.045b79c0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 10:31:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Repeater noise problem In-Reply-To: <010d01c13552$84a1c830$080210ac@jpalmer> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:01 AM 9/4/2001, jim palmer wrote: >i have heard the noise you are referring to. >it sounds like clock noise. >i have only used repeater with headphones and >was hoping it would not appear in the normal outputs. >(ie. the headphone amp not well shielded) > >which outputs are you using and is your cable well shielded? >i find it hard to believe the heavy duty aluminum case doesn't >block clocking noises... both the clock and the audio circuitry would be *inside* this chassis, therefore the chassis has nothing to do with shielding one from the other. The degree to which digital switching noise gets into audio generally has to do with the PCB layout, the parts selected, and to some extent the circuit design itself. the purpose of a chassis electrically is generally to keep electrical noise generated inside the box from getting outside in the form of EMI, and to keep outside EMI from getting in and interfering with the circuits inside. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 14:08:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18836; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 13:48:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 13:48:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 13:37:27 -0400 Message-Id: <200109041737.NAA25040@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: Repeater noise problem X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 66.9.67.98 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dan McMullen wrote: > first off, this "noise" is fairly minimal compared to the level of a > reasonably loud loop. This is where I want some sort of numbers -- exactly how low is the noise? How many decibels between the noise and the maximum signal? > it is interesting to note that the noise on my unit only occurs if the > output level of the selected track is turned up. if i record to one track, > then select another, empty track, i can elimitate the noise by turning down > the level on the empty track. the noise does not seem to be recorded. > also, the input level control does not affect the level of the noise. is > this true for others? if so, there might be a software "solution". I doubt that this will have a software solution! Of course, you can "gate" the tracks that you aren't using but this doesn't work in general. Someone on this thread mentioned that they had level-matched all their components and still had an issue. That's unsettling. Someone should definitely level-match the instrument and then give us a S/N measure. Give me a Repeater, I'll do it! /t -- I am the wombat. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 14:37:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21463; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 14:16:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 14:16:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B951741.2E6DEAE5@altruistmusic.com> Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 11:02:40 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Heavy philosophy on the fifth anniversary of LD (was: a Repeater suggestion) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Miko, Miko, Miko... Yhis is getting silly, and I seem to be doing a lousy job of explaining myself. So I'll try to be very precise and clear. Here's where I'm coming from: Electrix announced the Repeater over a year ago. They then spent about a year finishing up the software, beta testing, and checking for bugs. Obviously you already know this; I certainly don't mention this to be patronizing. I mention it to raise an idea: I would presume that Electrix, and their various beta testers, put the Repeater through a large amount of actual, practical, hands-on music making in the process of inventing the unit, testing, and de-bugging it. I also presume that by the time they announced the product, beta-tested it, and then finally shipped it out, that numerous people had put the Repeater through its paces and had clocked a serious amount of time using the thing in actual musical applications. All of this leads to the following idea: If Electrix, and their design team, and their programmers, and their beta-testers, all worked together through the various stages described above, for as long as they did, and never found things like the absence of a wet/dry mix or direct overdub functions to be a problem in the work which they did during these design, debugging, and beta test procedures... ...then that leads me to believe that those sorts of functions were not utterly integral aspects of how they themselves designed the Repeater to be used. The people who invented the thing have been using it to make music. David Torn, a player who has a long history of using a mixer in his guitar rig, was a consultant and beta-tester for the unit, and has been using it in session work (including the current gig with David Bowie.) So, it seems to me that at least some people, who have had a hands-on aspect in designing and testing the unit, and who are intimately familiar with the concept of the unit's layout, have been reasonably and realistically satisfied with the Repeater exactly as it currently exists. That's all I've been trying to say. If I've been doing a bad job of it up until now, then hopefully this will help clarify where I'm coming from. Let me address a few specific things you mentioned: >> You seem to want to speak FOR them... that's what's intrigueing to me. You're not asking Electrix anything. You're making statements about what they might or might not have intended. << Electrix are regular readers (and semi-regular contributors) to this list. Damon in particular has always been ready to chime in with his commentary on Repeater threads, and I would have to assume that Electrix's eyes are glued to any post on this list with the word "Repeater" in the subject header. You also have Mark Pulver, who has obviously worked directly with the company, and who knows the Repeater very well. He too has been quite ready and capable to offer his point of view. My point here is that I'm assuming that any of the Electrix folks will feel free to make a post here to correct or comment on anything they think is inaccurate or misleading. If I were to say something about the design that DIDN'T reflect Electrix's point of view, can you think of a reason why they WOULDN'T speak up and address my inaccuracy? It's a public forum, right? There's no way I COULD "step in between" you and Electrix even if I wanted to, and I certainly don't wish to do so. I'm not trying to come across as any sort of expert on the Repeater here. What I am doing is offering forth my opinion on a variety of topics, in a field I have a reasonable amount of experience with. I've read a lot about the Repeater on this list since the middle of last year, and I spent about a half hour talking personally with both Damon and Jamie at the NAMM convention in January. So I do have a bit of a clue as to where they're coming from. Needless to say, if anything I'm saying is contrary to Electrix's own position, I would hope that they would be comfortable with speaking up and correcting me... just as I would hope that anyone on the list with an interest in the Repeater, or looping in general, might be welcome to offer forth their own perspective on the thing. >> I've gotten my answer from Damon. Had we just shut up and not asked, he'd be less informed of our particular desires; and we'd not know if they're going to do anything about it. I'm very happy to actually know they have plans to add the feature. << I'm glad you spoke up. I think it's good that you've got a forum to do so, and I think it's great for people like yourself, who aren't satisfied with what the current Repeater can do, that you have an outlet for suggesting modifications on the unit. However. There is a latent issue that's still bothering me, which I'm not entirely sure you've addressed... >> I'm sure I just don't get what those geniuses are tryin' to do with that fancy box! Jeeze Andre... << Unnecessary sarcasm, man. It demeans Electrix, the complexity of the unit, and myself. It also runs the risk of trivializing a crucial point, which is possibly the very core of where I'm coming from here. I'll make it again, at the risk of repeating myself (no pun intended). A lot of people who use electronic musical gear don't go very deep into the components they use. They develop a certain basic familiarity with the stuff, and can use it for some basic applications, but they rarely (if ever) reach the point where they can actually master the unit, and understand where the unit is coming from on a serious level. Instead, they start looking for new gear, and new components, so that they can "do more things," rather than fully come to terms with what they already have. And sometimes they look for gear based upon what they already know how to do, at the risk of ignoring things it can do which they might not be familiar with yet. Now, I've been on Looper's Delight since it started up, almost exactly five years ago today to this very day (happy birthday, list). In that time, I've seen people complain about the EDP because it has "too many features," that it's "too deep" or "too hard to use." I've seen people say that they don't like to read manuals, and therefore never obtain a deep level of proficiency with their gear. I've seen people place down-payments on products that they've never seen in person or used hands-on. And I've seen a TON of rabid gear lust. What I haven't seen very much of, in my personal opinion, is a deep understanding and facility with a lot of the tools of the looping trade. I haven't seen a lot of people who truly make an effort to look at a unit in terms of what it was specifically designed to do, and see where the inventors were coming from in the first place. I haven't seen a lot of people looking at loopers as instruments, as opposed to docile effects processors. And I haven't seen a lot of people genuinely interested in the idea of developing new techniques to accomodate new approaches in musical technology. It usually seems to be the other way around: people wondering how they can get a hold of gear that will suit the techniques they already have and know. So, I readily and unabashedly admit: It bothers me when people immediately start asking for changes on brand-new musical components and instruments, sometimes before they've even had a chance to put the unit through its paces. I keep getting this mental image of a guitarist who's used to playing a Telecaster, who sees a seven string guitar with a Floyd Rose tremolo and three humbucking pickups, and starts asking for a locking bridge and a coil tap before he's even picked the thing up, on the grounds that he can't use this new instrument for what he wants to do the way it's currently set up. If I sound frustrated at some of the current Repeater reactions, I guess it's because I've seen a lot of people pass through this list who didn't have the time or the patience to deal with gear on its own terms... and passed up the opportunity to make some great music in the process. I don't know much about your own background, Miko, so I have no idea how much of my concerns above are relevant to you personally. I would love to have the time to personally research every single person I exchange email with, but it's just not possible, so I have to settle for dealing strictly with the basic ideas they seem to be expressing... or maybe some peripheral issues that they're indirectly alluding to, even if they're not aware of it. Sometimes I don't get a totally complete or accurate picture of where they're coming from. And sometimes some good points can get made regardless of that fact. What little I have heard of your music sounds very cool, so at least you know what you're doing (which is not always the case on this list). If I've misinterpreted your comments, I genuinely apologize. If I've raised issues you hadn't considered, maybe it was food for thought. Anyway... Congratulations on pushing for the updates you want on the Repeater. I hope it lets you do what you want more than you currently can with it. And I hope it gives you a few ideas you might not have considered yet... --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 14:39:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21529; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 14:18:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 14:18:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010904140614.0304ac10@pop1.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 14:07:30 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: Repeater Suppliers In-Reply-To: <3B951741.2E6DEAE5@altruistmusic.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi. can you guys EMAIL ME with whom you bought your Repeater from and what it cost? My supplier is flaking out on me at the last minute - after a 6 month wait they can't seem to follow instructions. thanks plexus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 14:51:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22091; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 14:31:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 14:31:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 13:22:10 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Repeater noise problem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001501c1356e$83751e50$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010904102419.045b79c0@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i was (obviously) refering to noise entering the cable ... > At 08:01 AM 9/4/2001, jim palmer wrote: > >... > >which outputs are you using and is your cable well shielded? > >i find it hard to believe the heavy duty aluminum case doesn't > >block clocking noises... > ... > > the purpose of a chassis electrically is generally to keep electrical noise > generated inside the box from getting outside in the form of EMI, and to > keep outside EMI from getting in and interfering with the circuits inside. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 15:04:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23057; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 14:44:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 14:44:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B951E41.EEAAAAD2@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 11:31:59 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater: Wish list. References: <20010903073902.83694.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> <3B93953A.ADB73F0D@cabq.gov> <3B93FF42.2A9B1A2A@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh yeah, don't let me forget the very important feature of being able to have access to feedback level (fade amount) AT ALL TIMES, not just in record. I didn't think this would bug me, but after a weekend of playing with this, I realized how much I did this with my JamMan. Mark wrote: > Ha, I know this thing just shipped, but I already have a wish list. > Just a few tidbits that I think would help overall functionality. > > 1) I'd really like to be able to cue a new loop to wait for the current > loop to finish and then go into record. That would be sweet. > > 2) A shortcut to loop-erase that doesn't envolve having to select all > used tracks. > > 3) Wet/Dry mix! (or dry kill) > > and that's what I want for Christmas > > Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 15:15:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23564; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 14:56:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 14:56:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010904143728.00a82a10@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: robert@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 14:48:26 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #502 In-Reply-To: <200109041631.MAA11981@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_14524674==_.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_14524674==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed mike yeah - it does seem like a ground loop could be the evil doer, but there's always more reasons than the easy ones! i don't know what your tolerance for noisy is, but... my boomerang is about as quiet as you can expect from what's essentially the stomp box's stomp box. i used it on occasion in my old apartment (single circuit, if fridge kicks in lights will dim) w/out too much heinousness. of course, everyone's mileage varying, and all that.... were you using it on an effects-send; or an input channel send/return, or just directly in? is it the original flavor boomerang or the new, expanded, ultra steroid model? mike nelson can be quite helpful. he is WAY best contacted by fax: 214 343 1038 >From: Mike Feeney > cameron street >Subject: Boomerang noise problem > > > speaking of looper noise, the Boomerang generates an intolerable amount >of noise for me sometimes (but other times not). I think it involves a nice >ground loop issue, but makes looping in my home studio quite impossible. >Ah, the beauty of apartment complex living. > > other times I've noticed the noise in practices with my band as well, >and if I turn the boomerang loop volume all the way down, it kills the >noise. Kind of a pain. > > solutions? =) > > mike just what the world needs.... another frikkin url --=====================_14524674==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
mike
yeah - it does seem like a ground loop could be the evil doer, but there's always more reasons than the easy ones!

i don't know what your tolerance for noisy is, but...

my boomerang is about as quiet as you can expect from what's essentially the stomp box's stomp box. i used it on occasion in my old apartment (single circuit, if fridge kicks in lights will dim) w/out too much heinousness.
of course, everyone's mileage varying, and all that.... were you using it on an effects-send; or an input channel send/return, or just directly in?

is it the original flavor boomerang or the new, expanded, ultra steroid model?

mike nelson can be quite helpful. he is WAY best contacted by fax: 214 343 1038



From: Mike Feeney <feeneymike@yahoo.com>
    cameron street <c.jas@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Boomerang noise problem


    speaking of looper noise, the Boomerang generates an intolerable amount
of noise for me sometimes (but other times not).  I think it involves a nice
ground loop issue, but makes looping in my home studio quite impossible.
Ah, the beauty of apartment complex living.

    other times I've noticed the noise in practices with my band as well,
and if I turn the boomerang loop volume all the way down, it kills the
noise.  Kind of a pain.

    solutions?  =)

    mike

just what the world needs....
another frikkin url
--=====================_14524674==_.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 15:19:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23713; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 14:59:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 14:59:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 11:46:08 -0700 From: "Miko Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Heavy philosophy on the fifth anniversary of LD (was: a Repeater suggestion) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA23127 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>> altruist@altruistmusic.com 09/04/01 11:02AM >>> > Miko, Miko, Miko... Yhis is getting silly, and I seem to be doing a lousy job of explaining myself. So I'll try to be very precise and clear. Damn... Andre... Damon has already said they overlooked the fucking feature. There was NO PHILOSOPHY of design in the ommision of that... A million words about design intent or whatever you're arguing about won't change that. I don't care how many talented, famous, testers they went through in their product design. If they missed something, they missed something. That's a LOT of words below and I'm just not up to addressing your sheer quantity. I have read them and suffice to say this is really a waste of energy and you're preaching to the choir. I'll just keep my bitching about my own particular product design wishes offline and address them directly to the designers. Pearls before swine. I just can't WAIT to try to deal with this list concerning MIDI controller pedals! What horror... I'm gonna stay completely outta that one. Sorry to have even tried to point out the obvious. -Miko Andre > Here's where I'm coming from: Electrix announced the Repeater over a year ago. They then spent about a year finishing up the software, beta testing, and checking for bugs. Obviously you already know this; I certainly don't mention this to be patronizing. I mention it to raise an idea: I would presume that Electrix, and their various beta testers, put the Repeater through a large amount of actual, practical, hands-on music making in the process of inventing the unit, testing, and de-bugging it. I also presume that by the time they announced the product, beta-tested it, and then finally shipped it out, that numerous people had put the Repeater through its paces and had clocked a serious amount of time using the thing in actual musical applications. All of this leads to the following idea: If Electrix, and their design team, and their programmers, and their beta-testers, all worked together through the various stages described above, for as long as they did, and never found things like the absence of a wet/dry mix or direct overdub functions to be a problem in the work which they did during these design, debugging, and beta test procedures... ...then that leads me to believe that those sorts of functions were not utterly integral aspects of how they themselves designed the Repeater to be used. The people who invented the thing have been using it to make music. David Torn, a player who has a long history of using a mixer in his guitar rig, was a consultant and beta-tester for the unit, and has been using it in session work (including the current gig with David Bowie.) So, it seems to me that at least some people, who have had a hands-on aspect in designing and testing the unit, and who are intimately familiar with the concept of the unit's layout, have been reasonably and realistically satisfied with the Repeater exactly as it currently exists. That's all I've been trying to say. If I've been doing a bad job of it up until now, then hopefully this will help clarify where I'm coming from. Let me address a few specific things you mentioned: >> You seem to want to speak FOR them... that's what's intrigueing to me. You're not asking Electrix anything. You're making statements about what they might or might not have intended. << Electrix are regular readers (and semi-regular contributors) to this list. Damon in particular has always been ready to chime in with his commentary on Repeater threads, and I would have to assume that Electrix's eyes are glued to any post on this list with the word "Repeater" in the subject header. You also have Mark Pulver, who has obviously worked directly with the company, and who knows the Repeater very well. He too has been quite ready and capable to offer his point of view. My point here is that I'm assuming that any of the Electrix folks will feel free to make a post here to correct or comment on anything they think is inaccurate or misleading. If I were to say something about the design that DIDN'T reflect Electrix's point of view, can you think of a reason why they WOULDN'T speak up and address my inaccuracy? It's a public forum, right? There's no way I COULD "step in between" you and Electrix even if I wanted to, and I certainly don't wish to do so. I'm not trying to come across as any sort of expert on the Repeater here. What I am doing is offering forth my opinion on a variety of topics, in a field I have a reasonable amount of experience with. I've read a lot about the Repeater on this list since the middle of last year, and I spent about a half hour talking personally with both Damon and Jamie at the NAMM convention in January. So I do have a bit of a clue as to where they're coming from. Needless to say, if anything I'm saying is contrary to Electrix's own position, I would hope that they would be comfortable with speaking up and correcting me... just as I would hope that anyone on the list with an interest in the Repeater, or looping in general, might be welcome to offer forth their own perspective on the thing. >> I've gotten my answer from Damon. Had we just shut up and not asked, he'd be less informed of our particular desires; and we'd not know if they're going to do anything about it. I'm very happy to actually know they have plans to add the feature. << I'm glad you spoke up. I think it's good that you've got a forum to do so, and I think it's great for people like yourself, who aren't satisfied with what the current Repeater can do, that you have an outlet for suggesting modifications on the unit. However. There is a latent issue that's still bothering me, which I'm not entirely sure you've addressed... >> I'm sure I just don't get what those geniuses are tryin' to do with that fancy box! Jeeze Andre... << Unnecessary sarcasm, man. It demeans Electrix, the complexity of the unit, and myself. It also runs the risk of trivializing a crucial point, which is possibly the very core of where I'm coming from here. I'll make it again, at the risk of repeating myself (no pun intended). A lot of people who use electronic musical gear don't go very deep into the components they use. They develop a certain basic familiarity with the stuff, and can use it for some basic applications, but they rarely (if ever) reach the point where they can actually master the unit, and understand where the unit is coming from on a serious level. Instead, they start looking for new gear, and new components, so that they can "do more things," rather than fully come to terms with what they already have. And sometimes they look for gear based upon what they already know how to do, at the risk of ignoring things it can do which they might not be familiar with yet. Now, I've been on Looper's Delight since it started up, almost exactly five years ago today to this very day (happy birthday, list). In that time, I've seen people complain about the EDP because it has "too many features," that it's "too deep" or "too hard to use." I've seen people say that they don't like to read manuals, and therefore never obtain a deep level of proficiency with their gear. I've seen people place down-payments on products that they've never seen in person or used hands-on. And I've seen a TON of rabid gear lust. What I haven't seen very much of, in my personal opinion, is a deep understanding and facility with a lot of the tools of the looping trade. I haven't seen a lot of people who truly make an effort to look at a unit in terms of what it was specifically designed to do, and see where the inventors were coming from in the first place. I haven't seen a lot of people looking at loopers as instruments, as opposed to docile effects processors. And I haven't seen a lot of people genuinely interested in the idea of developing new techniques to accomodate new approaches in musical technology. It usually seems to be the other way around: people wondering how they can get a hold of gear that will suit the techniques they already have and know. So, I readily and unabashedly admit: It bothers me when people immediately start asking for changes on brand-new musical components and instruments, sometimes before they've even had a chance to put the unit through its paces. I keep getting this mental image of a guitarist who's used to playing a Telecaster, who sees a seven string guitar with a Floyd Rose tremolo and three humbucking pickups, and starts asking for a locking bridge and a coil tap before he's even picked the thing up, on the grounds that he can't use this new instrument for what he wants to do the way it's currently set up. If I sound frustrated at some of the current Repeater reactions, I guess it's because I've seen a lot of people pass through this list who didn't have the time or the patience to deal with gear on its own terms... and passed up the opportunity to make some great music in the process. I don't know much about your own background, Miko, so I have no idea how much of my concerns above are relevant to you personally. I would love to have the time to personally research every single person I exchange email with, but it's just not possible, so I have to settle for dealing strictly with the basic ideas they seem to be expressing... or maybe some peripheral issues that they're indirectly alluding to, even if they're not aware of it. Sometimes I don't get a totally complete or accurate picture of where they're coming from. And sometimes some good points can get made regardless of that fact. What little I have heard of your music sounds very cool, so at least you know what you're doing (which is not always the case on this list). If I've misinterpreted your comments, I genuinely apologize. If I've raised issues you hadn't considered, maybe it was food for thought. Anyway... Congratulations on pushing for the updates you want on the Repeater. I hope it lets you do what you want more than you currently can with it. And I hope it gives you a few ideas you might not have considered yet... --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 15:43:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25877; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 15:22:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 15:22:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 15:09:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200109041909.PAA30891@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: Heavy philosophy on the fifth anniversary of LD (was: a Repeater suggestion) X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 66.9.67.98 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At the risk of prolonging this already-rather-long thread... > Instead, they start looking for new gear, and new components, so that > they can "do more things," rather than fully come to terms with what > they already have. And sometimes they look for gear based upon what > they already know how to do, at the risk of ignoring things it can do > which they might not be familiar with yet. We aren't arguing over some obscure feature or a whole new philosophy here! Here's an example. I have never understood the philosophy behind the sequencer Logic but that doesn't mean I condemn the program. I just haven't had the need to figure it out yet. I hear it's a very good way of working. HOWEVER, the fact that the program has no REDO command is just a mistake. Nothing you ever tell me is going to convince me that I'm somehow wrong to want to A/B compare the results if I make an edit. I use many dozens of programs every day, and they ALL have a redo command. Many Logic people have tried to convince me of the fact that I'm wrong to want a redo... SIMILARLY, there are all sorts of things that the Repeater does that are arguably "features" and unique to it. HOWEVER, not having a wet/dry mix control on an effects unit is just wrong. There is no way to argue this matter! Only the most primitive effects units don't have a wet-dry mix -- even little stomp boxes like the Headrush have it nowadays or at least a "pure wet" output. Without a wet-dry mix, you are forced into running your effects in series. Your dry levels will jump dramatically in a mix when you turn the Repeater on. This feature is NOT going to improve my music. I will NOT be able to use this to get anything better. Damon admitted that it's an oversight, so we are all cool w/him! They'll fix it and we'll all cheer (again)... But honest, this is a bit much: > And sometimes they look for gear based upon what > they already know how to do, at the risk of ignoring things it can do > which they might not be familiar with yet. This does NOT describe me and I don't think it really describes people on this list. I read every manual for every unit I own over and over again (I was reading the Thunder manual as bedtime reading last night) and I'm always finding new ways to do it... All in good respect and health and all -- be well, all of you lot! /t -- I am the wombat. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 15:45:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26046; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 15:22:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 15:22:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Repeater noise problem Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 12:12:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <6Q6_7B.A.QLG.ydSl7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Our System One measures Repeater at 90 dB SNR (A weighted). There is noise but it is at a low level. It is easier to perceive because it is more of a hum kind of sound than white noise or hiss. It comes from scanning the LEDs. (I'll stop there because I'm not an Engineer). It is in the noise floor so if your gains are optimized everything should be fine and you would not notice. Here is a breakdown of what to expect. If something is different than what's described below you might have a faulty room, setup, process, or Repeater. Generally across the in/outs the SNR is around 90 dB (A weighted) so if you record a loop with optimized gains (red clip light flickers occasional) the noise floor should be at an acceptable level for such a device. i.e. your ears would hurt from the level of the actual loop if you turned it up loud enough to easily hear the noise floor. There is a very small "chirping" sound in the right channel when playing off the CFC. This is also buried in the noise floor and will only become a problem if gains are not optimized. This sound is not present on the digital output or when playing from internal memory. The sound is also not present in the .WAV file. It is a hardware issue. Again, it is in the noise floor at around 90 db. If you want a quiet track in your loop then record it loud and then turn the track level down. The headphones are noisier than the main outputs. The digital out is the cleanest signal (measures at 94 db). Repeater only outputs line level so if you are going straight into Repeater then a guitar amp you will have noise issues. Repeater wants to be in the FX loop so you can record your lovely tone into the loop. If you don't have one you will have to mess around with gains and levels to try and minimize added noise. You could also try to go from line to instrument level on the output of Repeater. Contact our technical support and see if he has any ideas on how to do this. support@eelctrixpro.com. I hope this helps. IMO Repeater has very low level noises but would not be considered noisy. Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 15:46:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26160; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 15:24:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 15:24:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Apparently-From: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 14:13:25 -0500 Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #502 From: Mike Feeney To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" , "anti:clockwise" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010904143728.00a82a10@mail.pdfsystems.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3082457605_693654" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3082457605_693654 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Actually I wasn=B9t using it on an effects send loop, I was just running it into the input of the amp. I know that=B9s not the preferred method, but it=B9s what I usually do... Would trying it the other way help, you think? I= t is the new model, pumped up on steroids. =3D) thanks!!! mike on 9/4/01 1.48 PM, anti:clockwise at anticlockwise@tensionheadache.org wrote: >=20 > mike > yeah - it does seem like a ground loop could be the evil doer, but there'= s > always more reasons than the easy ones! >=20 > i don't know what your tolerance for noisy is, but... >=20 > my boomerang is about as quiet as you can expect from what's essentially = the > stomp box's stomp box. i used it on occasion in my old apartment (single > circuit, if fridge kicks in lights will dim) w/out too much heinousness. > of course, everyone's mileage varying, and all that.... were you using it= on > an effects-send; or an input channel send/return, or just directly in? >=20 > is it the original flavor boomerang or the new, expanded, ultra steroid m= odel? >=20 > mike nelson can be quite helpful. he is WAY best contacted by fax: 214 34= 3 > 1038 >=20 >=20 >=20 >> From: Mike Feeney >> cameron street >> Subject: Boomerang noise problem >>=20 >>=20 >> speaking of looper noise, the Boomerang generates an intolerable amo= unt >> of noise for me sometimes (but other times not). I think it involves a = nice >> ground loop issue, but makes looping in my home studio quite impossible. >> Ah, the beauty of apartment complex living. >>=20 >> other times I've noticed the noise in practices with my band as well= , >> and if I turn the boomerang loop volume all the way down, it kills the >> noise. Kind of a pain. >>=20 >> solutions? =3D) >>=20 >> mike=20 > just what the world needs.... > another frikkin url >=20 >=20 >=20 --B_3082457605_693654 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #502

    Actually I wasn’t using it on an effects send= loop, I was just running it into the input of the amp.  I know that= 217;s not the preferred method, but it’s what I usually do... Would tr= ying it the other way help, you think?  It is the new model, pumped up = on steroids.  =3D)

    thanks!!!

    mike


on 9/4/01 1.48 PM, anti:clockwise at anticlockwise@tensionheadache.org wrot= e:


mike
yeah - it does seem like a ground loop could be the evil doer, but there's = always more reasons than the easy ones!

i don't know what your tolerance for noisy is, but...

my boomerang is about as quiet as you can expect from what's essentially th= e stomp box's stomp box. i used it on occasion in my old apartment (single c= ircuit, if fridge kicks in lights will dim) w/out too much heinousness.
of course, everyone's mileage varying, and all that.... were you using it o= n an effects-send; or an input channel send/return, or just directly in?

is it the original flavor boomerang or the new, expanded, ultra steroid mod= el?

mike nelson can be quite helpful. he is WAY best contacted by fax: 214 343 = 1038



From: Mike Feeney <feeneymike@yaho= o.com>
    cameron street <c.jas@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Boomerang noise problem


    speaking of looper noise, the Boomerang generates a= n intolerable amount
of noise for me sometimes (but other times not).  I think it involves = a nice
ground loop issue, but makes looping in my home studio quite impossible. Ah, the beauty of apartment complex living.

    other times I've noticed the noise in practices wit= h my band as well,
and if I turn the boomerang loop volume all the way down, it kills the
noise.  Kind of a pain.

    solutions?  =3D)

    mike

just what the world needs....
another  <http://www.tensionheadache.org/> frikkin url

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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 15:53:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26530; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 15:30:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 15:30:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010904121609.00ad7658@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 12:17:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Repeater noise problem In-Reply-To: <001501c1356e$83751e50$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010904102419.045b79c0@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <3mgWa.A.aRG.3kSl7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the chassis has nothing to do with shielding noise entering or leaving on a cable either, fwiw. kim At 11:22 AM 9/4/2001, you wrote: >i was (obviously) refering to noise entering the cable ... > > > > At 08:01 AM 9/4/2001, jim palmer wrote: > > >... > > >which outputs are you using and is your cable well shielded? > > >i find it hard to believe the heavy duty aluminum case doesn't > > >block clocking noises... > > >... > > > > the purpose of a chassis electrically is generally to keep electrical > noise > > generated inside the box from getting outside in the form of EMI, and to > > keep outside EMI from getting in and interfering with the circuits inside. > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 16:19:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29533; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 15:58:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 15:58:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: Repeaters @ Alto Music Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 12:51:11 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a previous email I said that Alto Music was not currently taking names for the Repeater (one of their employees told me this). I was just told by Jen, their office manager, that they are indeed taking orders. They have great prices and are wonderful people to deal with. Give 'em call if need one. 845-692-6922 Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 16:25:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30798; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 16:03:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 16:03:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 12:48:16 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Heavy philosophy on the fifth anniversary of LD (was: a Repeater suggestion) In-reply-to: <200109041909.PAA30891@www.editev.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: tom@swirly.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200109041909.PAA30891@www.editev.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:09 PM -0400 9/4/01, Tom Ritchford wrote: >HOWEVER, not having a wet/dry mix control on an effects >unit is just wrong. There is no way to argue >this matter! Only the most primitive effects >units don't have a wet-dry mix -- even little >stomp boxes like the Headrush have it nowadays >or at least a "pure wet" output. Funnily enough, I've always thought that a wet/dry mix was a feature more typical of lower-end processors. That's because when I started using signal processors as performance instruments the high-end units were designed to be fed from an auxiliary send and then returned to the consol for mixing. As I recall, it was only later that the design of the cheaper performance-oriented processors started to influence the "pro" devices and wet/dry mix started showing up as an option. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 16:26:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31000; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 16:05:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 16:05:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B95317A.F668FBDA@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 12:54:00 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater noise problem References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have not found the unit to be noisy at all, but I'm running the Repeater in series until the wet/dry issue is fixed. "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" wrote: > Our System One measures Repeater at 90 dB SNR (A weighted). There is noise > but it is at a low level. It is easier to perceive because it is more of a > hum kind of sound than white noise or hiss. It comes from scanning the LEDs. > (I'll stop there because I'm not an Engineer). It is in the noise floor so > if your gains are optimized everything should be fine and you would not > notice. > Here is a breakdown of what to expect. If something is different than what's > described below you might have a faulty room, setup, process, or Repeater. > > Generally across the in/outs the SNR is around 90 dB (A weighted) so if you > record a loop with optimized gains (red clip light flickers occasional) the > noise floor should be at an acceptable level for such a device. i.e. your > ears would hurt from the level of the actual loop if you turned it up loud > enough to easily hear the noise floor. > > There is a very small "chirping" sound in the right channel when playing off > the CFC. This is also buried in the noise floor and will only become a > problem if gains are not optimized. This sound is not present on the digital > output or when playing from internal memory. The sound is also not present > in the .WAV file. It is a hardware issue. Again, it is in the noise floor at > around 90 db. If you want a quiet track in your loop then record it loud and > then turn the track level down. > > The headphones are noisier than the main outputs. The digital out is the > cleanest signal (measures at 94 db). > > Repeater only outputs line level so if you are going straight into Repeater > then a guitar amp you will have noise issues. Repeater wants to be in the FX > loop so you can record your lovely tone into the loop. If you don't have one > you will have to mess around with gains and levels to try and minimize added > noise. You could also try to go from line to instrument level on the output > of Repeater. Contact our technical support and see if he has any ideas on > how to do this. support@eelctrixpro.com. > > I hope this helps. IMO Repeater has very low level noises but would not be > considered noisy. > > Respect, > > Damon Langlois > Creative Director > Electrix > Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 > http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 16:44:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32089; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 16:22:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 16:22:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Repeater record time left? Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 13:11:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Has anyone found a way to make Repeater display how much free memory/record >time is left? (in seconds or some such perhaps.. ala Echoplex). Press and hold copy. This will show you internal memory left. Press copy again and you will see CFC memory. Again and you will exit. Units are in minutes. Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 16:57:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00848; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 16:35:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 16:35:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B953A94.3083@Hevanet.Com.> Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 13:33:24 -0700 From: DaViD AuKeR X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP footpedal References: <200109041919.PAA25754@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm finally getting around to replacing a switch or two from my Echoplex footpedal. I'm not doing it (I barely can even spell "solder!") - I have someone that builds custom stereo components undertaking the project. In addition to what Kim said below, do any of the rest of you have any experience/suggestions? To get at a switch in the middle, for example, do you have to undo the whole wire from the rest of the switches, or can you cut and splice? Thnx, David Kim said (on 11/20): > > it is probably just the switch getting flakey. they are really easy to fix. > > You can by a replacement switch very cheap. They are usually stocked in the > US by Mouser: > > http://www.mouser.com/ > > I think this is the page for it: > > http://www.mouser.com/products/detail.cfm?MPart=103-50211&CustRef=.&source=searc > h&CFID=1374831&CFTOKEN=7875796 > > > If you open the footswitch up you will see that it is really very simple. > The switches unscrew easily. You just have to desolder the two wires from > it and resolder them to the new switch. If you or somebody you know has > basice soldering skills, this is a very simple job. > > kim > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 16:57:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00853; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 16:35:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 16:35:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 13:18:24 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Repeaters @ Alto Music In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just received both an e-mail and a phone call from Alto Music, informing me that my order would be filled this week and that I would receive mine sometime next week. If it does arrive in time I hope to use it in a performance with Rick Walker on the 15th. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 17:03:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01511; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 16:42:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 16:42:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 15:33:07 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Repeater noise problem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00a401c13580$ce82a900$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010904102419.045b79c0@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20010904121609.00ad7658@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0Pa3JB.A.4F.DoTl7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com it doesn't have to get out of the box first? > the chassis has nothing to do with shielding noise entering or leaving on a > cable either, fwiw. > > kim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 17:29:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04469; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:07:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:07:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Using a Looper with a mixer Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 15:54:59 -0500 Message-ID: <002001c13583$dc6b6c20$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Richard, How should I analyze how I want to manipulate my sounds? How do I learn so I can better understand the musical implications of series/parallel and pre/post faders? I have Craig Anderton's book about effects and I understand at a basic level things like delay should come before reverb and compression should usually be first in the signal chain as well. I am using a line mixer to combine the sounds of all my synths into a single audio pair which I can then begin routing in series through my compressor, delay, looper, reverb or send to a mixer where I blend in these effects using aux busses. But which is the best way (musically and quality) is what I am not sure about. For me, keeping everything in series is more time efficient when setting up and tearing down my rig, but if it is going to sacrifice potential musical and sonic quality and flexibility then I would bring along the external mixer and use the aux bus approach. Thanks, Steve > > I think it is counterproductive to look for rules about how to hook > up effects and looping devices to a mixer. You need to analyze how > you want to manipulate your sounds and you need to understand the > musical implications of series/parallel and pre/post. > > Depending on the mixer you use, it may be possible to hook up your > instrument(s), all your effects, and your looper in such a way that > you can route any signal to any device. But from the nature of your > question you are probably just getting started, so you should > probably keep it simple. > > If you want the best suggestions, you should specify what equipment > you are using and what kind of musical results you are after. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 17:32:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04611; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:11:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:11:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: Repeaters @ Alto Music (Richard) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 14:00:01 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I just received both an e-mail and a phone call from Alto Music, > informing me that my order would be filled this week and that I would > receive mine sometime next week. If it does arrive in time I hope to > use it in a performance with Rick Walker on the 15th. Where would that performance be, Richard? I didn't see it listed on your web site... Thanks, Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 17:32:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04662; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:12:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:12:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 17:03:19 -0400 Subject: here we go... From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3B953A94.3083@Hevanet.Com.> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_75lED.A.p-.cEUl7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well, no one has asked so i'm going to get the ball rolling.... here's what i'd like to see for a repeater pedal.... this is my request for a live performance-hands free pedal... 1) solid contruction- it needs to be roadworthy. 2) it goes without saying that it needs to have full midi options a)multiple commands per pedal, (including note on/off) b)sysex info c) editable on the desktop (or laptop) 3) large readable, programmable text for song titles, song lists, etc... 4) (at least two) big roller type knobs ala boomerang for controlling the wet/dry mix that will be an option in the software update..or for controlling pitch....or time compression....assignable and foot rollable...i think boomerang is really onto something here... 5) inputs for at least two controller pedals 6) three or four dedicated switches that only do "record" "overdub" "reverse" "erase"... plus switches that are midi configureable... feel free to add on others...but i think i'd buy that . ric hordinski -- monk@fuse.net www.monkmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 17:44:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05215; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:23:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:23:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01e001c13585$ab074f30$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <200109041919.PAA25754@hemlock.violacea.com> <3B953A94.3083@Hevanet.Com.> Subject: Re: EDP footpedal Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 16:07:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi David, > In addition to what Kim said below, do any of the rest of you have any > experience/suggestions? To get at a switch in the middle, for example, > do you have to undo the whole wire from the rest of the switches, or can > you cut and splice? Yes, you can cut and splice. Your friend sounds quite capable and I'm sure will do a fine job. It's really a piece of cake. However, as I recall, the switches can melt easily. If you get the Mouser switch that is the exact replacement, you might want to remind your friend to use a pair of needle-nose pliers (or equivalent) as a heat sink between the solder joint and the rest of the switch. Also, make sure and order several extra switches. They cost so little in comparison to the shipping that it is a good idea. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 18:27:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08545; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 18:05:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 18:05:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 14:50:43 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: Repeaters @ Alto Music (Richard) In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:00 PM -0700 9/4/01, Kevin Mulvihill wrote: >Where would that performance be, Richard? I didn't see it listed on your web >site... Good point. Now that I'm starting to play out more I should really advertise the fact! The gig will be part of an annual event call the Woodstockhausen Festival in Boulder Creek. I don't really know much about it, other than that it's a tiny home-grown festival of experimental music. I was encouraged to participate by Rick Walker. The program isn't quite finalized yet, but I might have a tape piece and I will sit in with Rick on his set. Some information can be found at: http://www.candiru.com/woodstockhausen.html -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 18:36:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09181; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 18:15:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 18:15:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: S#!t! HELP! (slightly off-topic midi ?) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 15:08:49 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have learned a valuable lesson since joining this list. And that is to listen to Kim Flint's advice. ;) Seriously, I was just about to get an MPX-R1 and an MPX-1 to compliment my new Repeater. Bob Sellon then informed me that the G2 is actually what I will need if I don't want unacceptable delays in pitch shifting (as well as a few other drawbacks to the MPX-1). Okay fine, I will sell some old gear to make up for the difference. But now Kim is saying that the MPX-R1 is a weak excuse for a midi controller and far from a 'fully functional' midi pedal. My first thought was that Kim was being overly critical. But after checking into it, I found out that the MPX-R1 can really only control one unit on one midi channel. Beyond that I will only be able to send one program change and one control change on each of the other 15 channels. So that means I will have to switch channels each time I want to send a unique change to the alternate unit (in this case a Repeater). Well, obviously that's not gonna work unless I can decide between play, stop or record for my Repeater... ;|. Anyway, I checked out the Digitech PMC-10 and this is not acceptable to me. I don't want a used piece of plastic gear that is no longer in production (especially when there aren't even replacement parts in production). So that leaves one available option open to me (or at least it seems to be the case) and that is the All Access pedal board. Great. So now I'm going to start selling my body to pay for this thing. But before I resort to such depraved acts, please tell me that this pedal will do what I need it to do, namely: Can I control a G2 AND a Repeater *together* in my rig? If so, can someone please try and simply describe how it's possible to control more than one piece of gear with the same pedal? Do I assign certain buttons to different units? Or do I bank back and forth? Or what? I want to get this *right*. I am more confused than before I even started trying to figure this stuff out. I just want to make music! Argh! Tim "soon to be a street ho" Goodwin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 18:37:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09119; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 18:14:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 18:14:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 15:01:55 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: Using a Looper with a mixer In-reply-to: <002001c13583$dc6b6c20$6501a8c0@stevespc> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <002001c13583$dc6b6c20$6501a8c0@stevespc> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:54 PM -0500 9/4/01, M. Steven Ginn wrote: >How should I analyze how I want to manipulate my sounds? How do I learn >so I can better understand the musical implications of series/parallel >and pre/post faders? This is an important question with many possible answers. There are two points to my suggestion ( "You need to analyze how you want to manipulate your sounds and you need to understand the musical implications of series/parallel and pre/post"): The first point is that it can be helpful to examine the music you are making and the music you admire, and try to understand what it is about these musics that you like and that you want to do more of. Looping is not just one thing; there are many different musical styles and many different technical approaches. Which is/are yours? Are you interested in creating a sense of several musicians playing together by layering recognizable musical parts, or are you interested in creating a more disembodies wash of sound with subtly evolving timbral changes. Each of these approaches (and others one might describe) may best be served by a different setup. This brings us to the second point, achieving a technical understanding of the tools at your disposal. Experience is always the best teacher, and one thing you can do is to maximize the number and variety of your experiences. One way to do this is to forget for a moment the idea of hooking everything up together and to explore single devices and single techniques. For instance, you can take two effects processors and hook them up in different ways, exploring the implications of the different configurations. You might do this without a mixer at first, just by using patch cords. After a while you can add more elements to the system and explore the mixer's possibilities. One thing I like to do is to split signals and to bring them in on two or more channels of the mixer. This is especially effective if the mixer has bus assignment buttons. For instance, you could bring your source mix in on two channels. The first would assign the dry signal to the output mix; the second would feed the effects via aux sends but wouldn't feed any of the input to the mix. That way you'd have independent control over the level of your dry sound and of the effects send, on two faders side by side. Similarly, you can bring the outputs of the effects devices into the mixer on regular input channels (as opposed to effects returns). For instance, you could split the delay output and send one leg to the reverb while the other comes into the mixer. Then you could bring the reverb output into another input. This would give you the ability to mix the proportion of "dry" delayed signal and reverberant signal. >I have Craig Anderton's book Craig has been working with musical electronics since the 1960s. He knows his stuff and writes well about it. >I understand at a basic level things like delay should come before reverb >and compression should usually be first in the signal chain as well. Most of the time those are good rules of thumb, but sometimes you can achieve interesting things by defying convention. What if you put the compressor after the reverb and then send the reverb through a multitap delay with ping-pong pan effects? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 18:45:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09558; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 18:23:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 18:23:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JohnFlem@aol.com Message-ID: <14f.741e41.28c6aba4@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 18:11:48 EDT Subject: Re:Repeater Noise To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Repeater isn't the quietest piece of gear in the world. BUT I have found that after optmising my Gain Structure that everythine is OK. It can get awkward when running it into a Guitar Amp. This is because it is +4 Output...so you have to remember that you are going Instrument Level In (on the Front Panel) Amplifying that up to +4 and then you have to turn the Ouput down so as not to overload the input of your Amp. Going Direct from a Preamp (or a Turntable) to a Mixer's Line Input yields a more "Matched" path. jmp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 19:17:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11464; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 18:54:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 18:54:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Using a Looper with a mixer Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:41:42 -0500 Message-ID: <002901c13592$c4de12b0$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sure sounds like the best way to accomplish something like this for a live musician is to use something like the Switchblade that someone else mentioned. I guess for testing purposes, I could use a patchbay to change routings around. As far as looping and effects go and what I am trying to personally create ... I am a wind player (Sax, EWI, WX5). One type of musical structure that I am trying to create is to lay down what I have seen mentioned (or read in the archives) called a sound carpet and then play another instrument over the top. For example, there is a Celtic group called IONA who creates songs that contain fairly complex washes of sound where and then other instruments such as Uilean pipes, whistles, etc. play the melody over the top. For my contribution to a group, I would like to create these types of sounds and it appears to me that looping is the best way to do it (except maybe to cue everything up with a sequencer and play it at the proper times). I think with looping, I will be able to create these things on the fly (I hope). Thanks, Steve > > > At 3:54 PM -0500 9/4/01, M. Steven Ginn wrote: > > >How should I analyze how I want to manipulate my sounds? How do I > >learn so I can better understand the musical implications of > >series/parallel and pre/post faders? > > This is an important question with many possible answers. There are > two points to my suggestion ( "You need to analyze how you want to > manipulate your sounds and you need to understand the musical > implications of series/parallel and pre/post"): > > The first point is that it can be helpful to examine the music you > are making and the music you admire, and try to understand what it is > about these musics that you like and that you want to do more of. > Looping is not just one thing; there are many different musical > styles and many different technical approaches. Which is/are yours? > Are you interested in creating a sense of several musicians playing > together by layering recognizable musical parts, or are you > interested in creating a more disembodies wash of sound with subtly > evolving timbral changes. Each of these approaches (and others one > might describe) may best be served by a different setup. > > This brings us to the second point, achieving a technical > understanding of the tools at your disposal. Experience is always the > best teacher, and one thing you can do is to maximize the number and > variety of your experiences. One way to do this is to forget for a > moment the idea of hooking everything up together and to explore > single devices and single techniques. For instance, you can take two > effects processors and hook them up in different ways, exploring the > implications of the different configurations. You might do this > without a mixer at first, just by using patch cords. After a while > you can add more elements to the system and explore the mixer's > possibilities. > > One thing I like to do is to split signals and to bring them in on > two or more channels of the mixer. This is especially effective if > the mixer has bus assignment buttons. For instance, you could bring > your source mix in on two channels. The first would assign the dry > signal to the output mix; the second would feed the effects via aux > sends but wouldn't feed any of the input to the mix. That way you'd > have independent control over the level of your dry sound and of the > effects send, on two faders side by side. Similarly, you can bring > the outputs of the effects devices into the mixer on regular input > channels (as opposed to effects returns). For instance, you could > split the delay output and send one leg to the reverb while the other > comes into the mixer. Then you could bring the reverb output into > another input. This would give you the ability to mix the proportion > of "dry" delayed signal and reverberant signal. > > >I have Craig Anderton's book > > Craig has been working with musical electronics since the 1960s. He > knows his stuff and writes well about it. > > >I understand at a basic level things like delay should come before > >reverb and compression should usually be first in the signal > chain as > >well. > > Most of the time those are good rules of thumb, but sometimes you can > achieve interesting things by defying convention. What if you put the > compressor after the reverb and then send the reverb through a > multitap delay with ping-pong pan effects? > > > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 19:21:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12737; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 18:59:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 18:59:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010904224805.25448.qmail@web11001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 15:48:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew McCabe Subject: Re: S#!t! HELP! (slightly off-topic midi ?) --> Rocktron All Access To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <7x8LQB.A.VwC.noVl7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Tim Goodwin wrote: > case) and that is the All Access pedal board. > > Can I control a G2 AND a Repeater *together* in my > rig? If so, can someone > please try and simply describe how it's possible to > control more than one > piece of gear with the same pedal? Do I assign > certain buttons to different > units? Or do I bank back and forth? Or what? Tim, I own an All Access and use it to control a Jamman, a MPX-1, and a Soundsculpture Switchblade. Basically, each foot-switch on the All Access can be configured to control multiple (8??) effects processors. For example... All Access Patch 1: switches MPX-1 to program 5 and starts a loop recording on the Jamman. All Access Patch 2: switches MPX-1 to program 27 and stops the Jamman recording. All Access Patch 3: clears Jamman loop If you have any specific questions, let me know. Matt ===== www.mp3.com/kingnever __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 19:47:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06153; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:39:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:39:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 14:37:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: Repeaters @ Alto Music Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Do you happen to know where you were in their queue? I'm sitting at 51. Also, how much are they charging? Thanks, Chris At 1:18 PM -0700 9/4/01, Richard Zvonar wrote: >I just received both an e-mail and a phone call from Alto Music, >informing me that my order would be filled this week and that I >would receive mine sometime next week. If it does arrive in time I >hope to use it in a performance with Rick Walker on the 15th. >-- > >______________________________________________________________ >Richard Zvonar, PhD >(818) 788-2202 >http://www.zvonar.com >http://RZCybernetics.com >http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone >http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz -- _________________________________________________________ The optimist sees a glass half full... | Chris Muir The pessimist sees a glass half empty... | cbm@well.com The realist sees a glass twice as big as it needs to be. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 21:18:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20655; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 20:57:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 20:57:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 16:54:45 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: Using a Looper with a mixer In-reply-to: <002901c13592$c4de12b0$6501a8c0@stevespc> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net (Unverified) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <002901c13592$c4de12b0$6501a8c0@stevespc> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:41 PM -0500 9/4/01, M. Steven Ginn wrote: >Sure sounds like the best way to accomplish something like this for a >live musician is to use something like the Switchblade that someone else >mentioned. I guess for testing purposes, I could use a patchbay to >change routings around. I have heard good things about the Switchblade and have examined the manual, but I don't own one myself. I believe several people on this list are Switchblade users. I am familiar with matrix mixing in general terms, and specifically with systems from Level Control Systems. Such a system can give you total control over all your signal routing, but it can get complicated (worth the effort, though). >I am a wind player (Sax, EWI, WX5). One type of musical structure that >I am trying to create is to lay down what I have seen mentioned (or read >in the archives) called a sound carpet and then play another instrument >over the top. This is certainly one of the popular approaches, and it can be achieved with a variety of looping devices. If you have multiple channels of looping devices, such as several Echoplexes or a Repeater, then there is the possibility to create such a "carpet," "bed," or "wash" that can then be further modified by fading the layers in and out. Multiple foot pedals would be good for this. This is an example of parallel signal processing: simple dynamic mixing of sound layers. You could do the same sort of thing with your synthesizer sounds. Rather than simply summing them in a line mixer you could control the level of each instrument with a pedal. Similarly (and getting back to the idea of splitting signals) you could split the output of your looper and route each leg of the signal through its own effects processor before mixing them back together. Clearly you can end up with a complicated system, with lots of pedals and lots of separate processors. But you don't have to take it to extremes. Some effects processors will allow you to do this sort of routing internally. The main point is to find ways to gain real time control over the evolution of your sound. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 21:20:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21870; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 21:00:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 21:00:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9576D8.9ADC196@pathcom.com> Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 20:50:32 -0400 From: hutton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Heavy philosophy on the fifth anniversary of LD (was: a Repeatersuggestion) References: <200109041909.PAA30891@www.editev.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I share this opion also ..... You may not like it, but for me ,,,,,, "Myself", this rings very true. although one of the designers has already hit himself on the head for omitting this feature, I do not personally require it. Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 3:09 PM -0400 9/4/01, Tom Ritchford wrote: > > >HOWEVER, not having a wet/dry mix control on an effects > >unit is just wrong. There is no way to argue > >this matter! Only the most primitive effects > >units don't have a wet-dry mix -- even little > >stomp boxes like the Headrush have it nowadays > >or at least a "pure wet" output. > > Funnily enough, I've always thought that a wet/dry mix was a feature > more typical of lower-end processors. That's because when I started > using signal processors as performance instruments the high-end units > were designed to be fed from an auxiliary send and then returned to > the consol for mixing. As I recall, it was only later that the design > of the cheaper performance-oriented processors started to influence > the "pro" devices and wet/dry mix started showing up as an option. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 21:25:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21992; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 21:03:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 21:03:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B957783.1EEC75DB@pathcom.com> Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 20:53:24 -0400 From: hutton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater record time left? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is this in the manual? "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" wrote: > >Has anyone found a way to make Repeater display how much free memory/record > > >time is left? (in seconds or some such perhaps.. ala Echoplex). > > Press and hold copy. This will show you internal memory left. Press copy > again and you will see CFC memory. Again and you will exit. Units are in > minutes. > > Respect, > > Damon Langlois > Creative Director > Electrix > Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 > http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 21:33:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22768; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 21:13:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 21:13:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001f01c135a6$a41271c0$903a4a42@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: OT: Aftertouch Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 18:03:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C1356B.F23AD800" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <9bP0AD.A.1WF.OmXl7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C1356B.F23AD800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am considering the Roland A-33 midi keyboard controller- it does not = have aftertouch- what is aftertouch? 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I am considering the Roland A-33 midi = keyboard=20 controller- it does not have aftertouch- what is = aftertouch?
 
Cliff
------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C1356B.F23AD800-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 21:53:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24456; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 21:32:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 21:32:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 18:20:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Rik Elswit Message-Id: <200109050120.SAA22086@well.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeaters in stock Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bananas has 'em in stock and ready to ship. Rik Elswit Bananas at Large 415-457-7600 tu-sat 10-6 PDT From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 22:00:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24988; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 21:38:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 21:38:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 18:23:07 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: OT: Aftertouch In-reply-to: <001f01c135a6$a41271c0$903a4a42@we.mediaone.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers Delight Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1212469323==_ma============" References: <001f01c135a6$a41271c0$903a4a42@we.mediaone.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1212469323==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 6:03 PM -0700 9/4/01, Om_Audio wrote: >I am considering the Roland A-33 midi keyboard controller- it does >not have aftertouch- what is aftertouch? Aftertouch (also called "Channel Pressure" or "Key Pressure") is a MIDI control message that is sent out when you press down on a key. The harder you press, the higher the value. It can be used to control such things as pitch, filter cutoff, amplitude, etc. There are actually two kinds of Aftertouch. Monophonic Aftertouch (Channel Pressure) sends out a single stream of control messages on a single MIDI channel. If several keys are being pressed at the same time the highest value is the one being sent. Polyphonic Aftertouch (Key Pressure) sends a separate control stream for each key on the keyboard. This is much less common than Channel Pressure. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz --============_-1212469323==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: OT: Aftertouch
At 6:03 PM -0700 9/4/01, Om_Audio wrote:
I am considering the Roland A-33 midi keyboard controller- it does not have aftertouch- what is aftertouch?

Aftertouch (also called "Channel Pressure" or "Key Pressure") is a MIDI control message that is sent out when you press down on a key. The harder you press, the higher the value. It can be used to control such things as pitch, filter cutoff, amplitude, etc.  There are actually two kinds of Aftertouch. Monophonic Aftertouch (Channel Pressure) sends out a single stream of control messages on a single MIDI channel. If several keys are being pressed at the same time the highest value is the one being sent. Polyphonic Aftertouch (Key Pressure) sends a separate control stream for each key on the keyboard. This is much less common than Channel Pressure.
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--============_-1212469323==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 22:13:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26010; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 21:51:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 21:51:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: S#!t! HELP! (slightly off-topic midi ?) --> Rocktron All Access Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 18:45:06 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <20010904224805.25448.qmail@web11001.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the reply Matt. One question. Please understand my ignorance regarding midi, but when you say 'patch' in these examples do you mean a single button press? What if you want to switch your MPX-1 to program 5 but don't want the Jamman to start recording? Or vice versa? Or what if you want to use the effects on program 27 on the MPX-1 to record your loop? Also, is it possible to program a bank of buttons to control the MPX and then switch to over to a bank of buttons to control the Repeater? Or perhaps, set up a row of MPX buttons and a row of Repeater buttons on the same bank? Thanks again, Tim -----Original Message----- From: Matthew McCabe [mailto:finleysound@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 3:48 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: S#!t! HELP! (slightly off-topic midi ?) --> Rocktron All Access I own an All Access and use it to control a Jamman, a MPX-1, and a Soundsculpture Switchblade. Basically, each foot-switch on the All Access can be configured to control multiple (8??) effects processors. For example... All Access Patch 1: switches MPX-1 to program 5 and starts a loop recording on the Jamman. All Access Patch 2: switches MPX-1 to program 27 and stops the Jamman recording. All Access Patch 3: clears Jamman loop If you have any specific questions, let me know. Matt ===== www.mp3.com/kingnever From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 22:33:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28337; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 22:12:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 22:12:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 21:59:54 -0400 Subject: Peavey 1600x sought after. From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear users of peavey 1600x... I just spent a half-hour online trying to find a unit, after so many strong recommendations on the list... Only one on ebay in australia. Digibid isn't working again, so I'm really not having any luck. Anyone have knowledge as to where one can secure one of these puppies these days? Thanks in advance, Todd Reynolds From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 22:33:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28291; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 22:10:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 22:10:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 21:59:29 -0400 Subject: Re: Using a Looper with a mixer From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 9/4/01 6:01 PM, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote: > One thing I like to do is to split signals and to bring them in on > two or more channels of the mixer. This is especially effective if > the mixer has bus assignment buttons. For instance, you could bring > your source mix in on two channels. The first would assign the dry > signal to the output mix; the second would feed the effects via aux > sends but wouldn't feed any of the input to the mix. That way you'd > have independent control over the level of your dry sound and of the > effects send, on two faders side by side. Similarly, you can bring > the outputs of the effects devices into the mixer on regular input > channels (as opposed to effects returns). I always return effects to mixer channels, since then you can use the aux sends to crank up the feedback! Sorry, I can't help myself! David Lee Myers http://www.pulsewidth.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Ourobouros" CD of new Feedback Music available now on Pulsewidth! In NYC at Downtown Music, Kim's Mondo, Kim's West, and Other Music, and through Anomalous, Forced Exposure, CDeMusic/Electronic Music Foundation, Deep Listening Catalog, Crouton Music, Recommended (UK), Staalplaat (Netherlands), and Metamkine (France). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 22:41:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28834; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 22:20:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 22:20:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Cc: Subject: PMC10 problem Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 21:07:14 -0500 Message-ID: <003701c135af$7b8139e0$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0038_01C13585.92AB31E0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <_V6MdC.A.i4G.hkYl7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C13585.92AB31E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Sean (or any LD PMC10 owner), I performed a download of my PMC10 using Raymond and then saved the file on my PC. Everything seemed like it was working just fine. Then for some reason, I accidently did an upload of the current saved document, however the PMC10 reacted by flashing its display erratcially and then ending with a message in the display stating to press enter to reset. Low and behold, the system was reset back to factory defaults and now I can't seem to restore the saved document that I created using Raymond. Any ideas would be very helpful . I would rather not have to manually set everything back up (82 patches, 12 banks, etc.). My midi connections appear to be working properly, just for some reason when Raymond says that it is transferring data, the PMC10 doesn't seem to be putting it where it needs to be. Thanks, Steve ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C13585.92AB31E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable PMC10 problem

Hi Sean (or any LD PMC10 owner),

I performed a download of my PMC10 = using Raymond and then saved the file on my PC.  Everything seemed = like it was working just fine.  Then for some reason, I accidently = did an upload of the current saved document, however the PMC10 reacted = by flashing its display erratcially and then ending with a message in = the display stating to press enter to reset.  Low and behold, the = system was reset back to factory defaults and now I can't seem to = restore the saved document that I created using Raymond.  Any ideas = would be very helpful … I would rather not have to manually set = everything back up (82 patches, 12 banks, etc.).  My midi = connections appear to be working properly, just for some reason when = Raymond says that it is transferring data, the PMC10 doesn't seem to be = putting it where it needs to be.

Thanks,
Steve

------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C13585.92AB31E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 22:42:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28885; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 22:21:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 22:21:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010905020956.22367.qmail@nwcst280.netaddress.usa.net> Date: 4 Sep 2001 21:09:55 CDT From: Dustin Puryear To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Yet another beginner.. X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34FM.0700.21.01) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id WAA28251 Resent-Message-ID: <0JpK.A.s5G.4lYl7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I started playing with beats when I was a freshman in college, and that was a few years ago. I always used Impulse Tracker because it was free and it had a very good "feel" to it. It was easy to lay down a track or two. Unfortunately, I can't really use IT anymore. I had to abandon my ISA AWE64 when I got a new motherboard (no ISA slots). I'm looking for some new tools. I'd also like some pointers. Here is a run-down of me: o I have never actually completed a song; I don't understand song structure or any of the finer details, but I'd like to learn eventually o I _REALLY_ like to just sit down and create beats o I would eventually like to be able to create entire songs, but at the moment I can live with something that allows me to easily create groovy beats o I can't stand using the mouse for all this stuff--it just doesn't feel as natural and it doesn't flow, at least not for me I just downloaded the Fruity Loops demo (boy, I remember when it was just a free little utility, how things have changed). It's seems cool. I also downloaded the demo of ACID music. I am willing to spend up to $400 over the next two months on this stuff. Should I get a keyboard? Do I really need this expensive software? What can I get by with? I guess my question boils down to: how can I get started? Also, are there any tutorials for creating good beats? Books? I do this just to pass the time and as a hobby. (It's relaxing isn't it?) So I'm not looking for a pro studio or anything. Regards, Dustin --- Dustin Puryear http://members.telocity.com/~dpuryear In the beginning the Universe was created. This has been widely regarded as a bad move. - Douglas Adams From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 23:13:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31745; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 22:53:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 22:53:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: midi pedals Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 19:41:41 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000001c1354c$a1017b20$6501a8c0@stevespc> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi loopeepul-- I called Digitech repair in Sandy, Utah (a division of Harmon Music) and asked about having my second, slightly less functional PMC-10 refurbished. $85 will do it--and they led me to believe that most parts (but not all) were available for the job. I asked specifically about the electric switches, part number 44-0032. I don't know if these are the items RZ refers to, but heck, I don't know what all my unit needs. After all, it works fine--it's just that not all the switches respond as well as others (and one CC jack is funky). This can be a hang when (frankly) one is a bit fuzzy as to what comes next musically. Still trying to get my central nervous system trained 8^) In any case, they also had a few local (LA, Calif) shops they authorized (well OK, suggested) for the repair. Bottom line is, nothing I have knowledge of does what this thing does--that's why I have two. If I acquire a Repeater, this unit is perfect to control it. It certainly enhances my control of the EDP--I've got a switch for instant reverse, for example. If someone makes a better pedal, I'll buy it--after I get another steady gig, that is :) Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 23:19:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA32621; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 22:58:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 22:58:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Raymond (was PMC10 problem) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 19:47:17 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <003701c135af$7b8139e0$6501a8c0@stevespc> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve says: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01803; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 23:06:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 23:06:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ejdrake@pop.mindspring.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003701c135af$7b8139e0$6501a8c0@stevespc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 22:58:21 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ed Drake Subject: Re: PMC10 problem Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve, I ran into this recently. It might be because because in the factory reset state NONE is the channel selected for the PMC 10. On page 3-11 of my PMC 10 Owner's Manual it says "The PMC10 will only transmit and receive PMC10 SysEx data when PMC10 Channel is 1-16." Go to submenu of MIDI and set PMC Channel to 1-16. Hopefully that's all that it is. Ed > >Hi Sean (or any LD PMC10 owner), > > >I performed a download of my PMC10 using Raymond and then saved the file >on my PC. Everything seemed like it was working just fine. Then for some >reason, I accidently did an upload of the current saved document, however >the PMC10 reacted by flashing its display erratcially and then ending with >a message in the display stating to press enter to reset. Low and behold, >the system was reset back to factory defaults and now I can't seem to >restore the saved document that I created using Raymond. Any ideas would >be very helpful & I would rather not have to manually set everything back >up (82 patches, 12 banks, etc.). My midi connections appear to be working >properly, just for some reason when Raymond says that it is transferring >data, the PMC10 doesn't seem to be putting it where it needs to be. > > >Thanks, >Steve > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 23:57:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04145; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 23:37:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 23:37:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005301c135ba$25799a00$7f416f40@oemcomputer> From: "petr" To: "Tim Goodwin" , References: Subject: Re: S#!t! HELP! (slightly off-topic midi ?) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 21:23:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Did you check out Yamaha MFC-10? I find it quite sufficient. petr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 00:38:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA08666; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 00:18:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 00:18:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010904210413.00b21f48@pop.mindspring.com> X-Files: The truth is out there. Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 21:07:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Subject: Re: PMC10 problem In-Reply-To: References: <003701c135af$7b8139e0$6501a8c0@stevespc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good advice. Also note that the seizure inducing behavior of the display is typical (at least on mine) whenever there is midi in traffic on the PMC10. Steve, if Ed's advice doesn't get you running, send you file to me and I'll see if it loads into my PMC10. sean At 07:58 PM 9/4/2001, Ed Drake wrote: >Steve, > >I ran into this recently. It might be because because in the factory reset >state NONE is the channel selected for the PMC 10. On page 3-11 of my PMC >10 Owner's Manual it says "The PMC10 will only transmit and receive PMC10 >SysEx data when PMC10 Channel is 1-16." Go to submenu of MIDI and set PMC >Channel to 1-16. Hopefully that's all that it is. > >Ed > > > > > >Hi Sean (or any LD PMC10 owner), > > > > > >I performed a download of my PMC10 using Raymond and then saved the file > >on my PC. Everything seemed like it was working just fine. Then for some > >reason, I accidently did an upload of the current saved document, however > >the PMC10 reacted by flashing its display erratcially and then ending with > >a message in the display stating to press enter to reset. Low and behold, > >the system was reset back to factory defaults and now I can't seem to > >restore the saved document that I created using Raymond. Any ideas would > >be very helpful & I would rather not have to manually set everything back > >up (82 patches, 12 banks, etc.). My midi connections appear to be working > >properly, just for some reason when Raymond says that it is transferring > >data, the PMC10 doesn't seem to be putting it where it needs to be. > > > > > >Thanks, > >Steve > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 00:38:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA08652; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 00:17:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 00:17:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010904210917.00ba22d8@pop.mindspring.com> X-Files: The truth is out there. Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 21:12:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Subject: Re: Raymond (was PMC10 problem) In-Reply-To: References: <003701c135af$7b8139e0$6501a8c0@stevespc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Gary. One thing to note is that the files that Raymond reads/writes are raw sysex files (f0...f7). You could use a third party sysex utility to handle the PMC10 <-> PC communication if you ever suspected that the MIDI engine in Raymond was at fault for corruption. sean At 07:47 PM 9/4/2001, Gary Lehmann wrote: >I am grateful to Sean for having created Raymond, and use it all the time. >Gotta say, tho, the PMC is a little bitch sometimes, and I have lost data >before from (mis)using this program (user error, I am sure). I have started >back my files up as sysx as a failsafe in addition to using Raymond for data >management, 'cause I hate to lose all that hard work. >Gary >PS It's not Raymond's fault From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 00:55:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA10196; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 00:35:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 00:35:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010905042234.93737.qmail@web11003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 21:22:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew McCabe Subject: RE: S#!t! HELP! (slightly off-topic midi ?) --> Rocktron All Access To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <3zWj2.A.bNC.Mial7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Tim Goodwin wrote: > Thanks for the reply Matt. One question. Please > understand my ignorance > regarding midi, but when you say 'patch' in these > examples do you mean a > single button press? Yes. A "single button press" can change settings on multiple (up to 16 - one per MIDI channel) devices. >What if you want to switch > your MPX-1 to program 5 but > don't want the Jamman to start recording? Or vice > versa? Not a problem. Each "button" is completely independent of the other buttons. >Or what if you > want to use the effects on program 27 on the MPX-1 > to record your loop? Not a problem - assuming your audio signal path will allow it. > Also, is it possible to program a bank of buttons to > control the MPX and > then switch to over to a bank of buttons to control > the Repeater? Or > perhaps, set up a row of MPX buttons and a row of > Repeater buttons on the > same bank? Yes. You can have a total of 10 banks configured however your heart desires. You could, for example, have one bank dedicated to your Repeater, another bank for your MPX, and yet a third bank controlling "essential" functions of both devices. The All Access is a powerful MIDI controller. My only complaint is that, to my knowledge, there isn't a computer-based software programmer available for it. Matt > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew McCabe [mailto:finleysound@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 3:48 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: S#!t! HELP! (slightly off-topic midi ?) > --> Rocktron All > Access > > I own an All Access and use it to control a Jamman, > a > MPX-1, and a Soundsculpture Switchblade. > > Basically, each foot-switch on the All Access can be > configured to control multiple (8??) effects > processors. > > For example... > > All Access Patch 1: switches MPX-1 to program 5 and > starts a loop recording on the Jamman. > > All Access Patch 2: switches MPX-1 to program 27 and > stops the Jamman recording. > > All Access Patch 3: clears Jamman loop > > If you have any specific questions, let me know. > > Matt > > ===== > www.mp3.com/kingnever > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 01:09:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA11154; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 00:49:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 00:49:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002901c13592$c4de12b0$6501a8c0@stevespc> References: <002901c13592$c4de12b0$6501a8c0@stevespc> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 00:35:48 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: RE: Using a Looper with a mixer Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <6spLaB.A.SjC.nwal7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Sure sounds like the best way to accomplish something like this for a >live musician is to use something like the Switchblade that someone else >mentioned. I guess for testing purposes, I could use a patchbay to >change routings around. > >As far as looping and effects go and what I am trying to personally >create ... > >I am a wind player (Sax, EWI, WX5). One type of musical structure that >I am trying to create is to lay down what I have seen mentioned (or read >in the archives) called a sound carpet and then play another instrument >over the top. For example, there is a Celtic group called IONA who >creates songs that contain fairly complex washes of sound where and then >other instruments such as Uilean pipes, whistles, etc. play the melody >over the top. For my contribution to a group, I would like to create >these types of sounds and it appears to me that looping is the best way >to do it (except maybe to cue everything up with a sequencer and play it >at the proper times). I think with looping, I will be able to create >these things on the fly (I hope). You can certainly do this live! I'd not recommend the Switchblade... a splendid piece of kit but expensive. I have a ProMix 01V, <$1600 US, 16/24 inputs, 4 sends, 2 internal effects units, 40 compressors(!), 4 band parametric EQ on all inputs... and it's a fully digital mixer so you can just send a program change and have all the routing change in an instant! (I'm a WX-7 player myself so...) /t .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 01:10:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA11197; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 00:50:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 00:50:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 00:38:28 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Using a Looper with a mixer Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <-UjQdD.A.XmC.pxal7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David Lee Myers (whose picture from a LONG time ago I saw just hours ago at Downtown Music Gallery) wrote: >I always return effects to mixer channels, since then you can use the aux >sends to crank up the feedback! Sorry, I can't help myself! agree 100% but EQ is also a big reason to bring the effects back through mixer channels: usually returns don't have a EQ setting... /t .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 01:11:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA11223; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 00:51:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 00:51:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010905044017.84587.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 21:40:17 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: S#!t! HELP! (slightly off-topic midi ?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Tim Goodwin wrote: > I have learned a valuable lesson since joining this > list. And that is to > listen to Kim Flint's advice. ;) Ditto! > Bob Sellon then informed me that the > G2 is actually what I > will need if I don't want unacceptable delays in > pitch shifting (as well as > a few other drawbacks to the MPX-1). Pitch shifting? How much more would it cost to get an Eventide Eclipse? (I love spending other people's money!) > So > that leaves one available option open to me (or at > least it seems to be the > case) and that is the All Access pedal board. Here's one more option. Combine a "dumb" midi foot controller,(ART X-15, Ground Control, etc.) with a Peavey PC-1600X. You can program the complex midi commands to the PC-1600x's 16 push buttons & use the midi foot controller to execute the function via midi program change. Plus, you would have 16 faders to do other stuff. You can down load the manual from the Peavey site. I have one on order & hope to get it this week. > Can I control a G2 AND a Repeater *together* in my > rig? If so, can someone > please try and simply describe how it's possible to > control more than one > piece of gear with the same pedal? The good midi controllers would allow you to assign midi channel on a per button/pedal/fader basis. It would allow that button/pedal/fader to send midi cc, note, pc, sysex, or a string of messages. Moving a button/pedal/fader would only affect a device that is set to the same midi channel. > Do I assign > certain buttons to different > units? Or do I bank back and forth? Or what? With a good controller you can do either one or both. > I want to get this *right*. I am more confused than > before I even started > trying to figure this stuff out. I just want to > make music! Argh! Hey! I've only been trying to figure this stuff out for 10+ years. And I didn't have too much expendable gray matter to begin with! John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 01:31:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA13473; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 01:11:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 01:11:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010905045911.60849.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 21:59:11 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Peavey 1600x sought after. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's hard to find someone who keeps them in stock. You can order one from any authorized Peavey dealer. Alto Music & Bananas At Large handle Peavey equipment. One lead I did not pursue was.... Mediamation (310)320-0696 Their web-site showed a price of $399 John --- todd reynolds wrote: > Dear users of peavey 1600x... > > I just spent a half-hour online trying to find a > unit, after so many strong > recommendations on the list... Only one on ebay in > australia. Digibid isn't > working again, so I'm really not having any luck. > Anyone have knowledge as > to where one can secure one of these puppies these > days? > > Thanks in advance, > > Todd Reynolds > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 01:58:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15214; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 01:38:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 01:38:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c135cb$ad32b7e0$903a4a42@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: <001f01c135a6$a41271c0$903a4a42@we.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: OT: Aftertouch Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 22:29:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C13591.00891B40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C13591.00891B40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: OT: AftertouchThank you- sounds like a nice feature- Cliff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Richard Zvonar=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com ; Loopers Delight=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 6:23 PM Subject: Re: OT: Aftertouch At 6:03 PM -0700 9/4/01, Om_Audio wrote: I am considering the Roland A-33 midi keyboard controller- it does = not have aftertouch- what is aftertouch? Aftertouch (also called "Channel Pressure" or "Key Pressure") is a = MIDI control message that is sent out when you press down on a key. The = harder you press, the higher the value. It can be used to control such = things as pitch, filter cutoff, amplitude, etc. There are actually two = kinds of Aftertouch. Monophonic Aftertouch (Channel Pressure) sends out = a single stream of control messages on a single MIDI channel. If several = keys are being pressed at the same time the highest value is the one = being sent. Polyphonic Aftertouch (Key Pressure) sends a separate = control stream for each key on the keyboard. This is much less common = than Channel Pressure. --=20 ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD =20 (818) 788-2202 =20 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=3Drz ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C13591.00891B40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: OT: Aftertouch
Thank you- sounds like a nice feature-=20 Cliff
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At 6:03 PM -0700 9/4/01, Om_Audio wrote:
I am = considering the=20 Roland A-33 midi keyboard controller- it does not have aftertouch- = what is=20 aftertouch?

Aftertouch (also called "Channel Pressure" or "Key Pressure") is = a MIDI=20 control message that is sent out when you press down on a key. The = harder you=20 press, the higher the value. It can be used to control such things as = pitch,=20 filter cutoff, amplitude, etc.  There are actually two kinds of=20 Aftertouch. Monophonic Aftertouch (Channel Pressure) sends out a = single stream=20 of control messages on a single MIDI channel. If several keys are = being=20 pressed at the same time the highest value is the one being sent. = Polyphonic=20 Aftertouch (Key Pressure) sends a separate control stream for each key = on the=20 keyboard. This is much less common than Channel = Pressure.
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------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C13591.00891B40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 02:41:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA18218; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 02:20:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 02:20:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010905060940.29768.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 23:09:40 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Heavy philosophy on the fifth anniversary of LD (was: a Repeater suggestion) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3B951741.2E6DEAE5@altruistmusic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre- One thing we can't know for sure is how much of what was intended to go into Repeater actually made it into the version that shipped. For example, the beta manual seemed to indicate that you could go to reverse playback while in record mode. In reality, you can only reverse a loop from play mode. Now maybe they just worded it badly in the beta manual & changed the wording in the new manual. Or, maybe they really tried to give us the instant reverse feature that the EDP has & weren't able to suss it out. We know it was bugs & not power supplys that delayed shipping. It would be funny if the wet/dry mix got lost during a debugging. The Fox Mulder in me wants to know if Mr. Torn is using the same Repeater that shipped to the rest of us. Just joking (kinda)! John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 02:51:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA18746; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 02:30:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 02:30:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B95C622.39DF@Hevanet.Com.> Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 23:28:50 -0700 From: DaViD AuKeR X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP footpedal References: <200109050133.VAA24667@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7PHEmD.A.6bE._Pcl7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dennis, thanks for the helpful tips: > Yes, you can cut and splice. > > Your friend sounds quite capable and I'm sure will do a fine job. It's > really a piece of cake. However, as I recall, the switches can melt easily. > If you get the Mouser switch that is the exact replacement, you might want > to remind your friend to use a pair of needle-nose pliers (or equivalent) as > a heat sink between the solder joint and the rest of the switch. > > Also, make sure and order several extra switches. They cost so little in > comparison to the shipping that it is a good idea. Yes, I did get extra switches. Looking forward to getting my toes back into the loop, David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 03:39:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA25085; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 03:19:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 03:19:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: Peavey 1600x sought after. Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 00:07:45 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com alto music... really good price too... www.altomusic.com... kevin > -----Original Message----- > From: todd reynolds [mailto:toddreynolds@rcn.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 7:00 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Peavey 1600x sought after. > > > Dear users of peavey 1600x... > > I just spent a half-hour online trying to find a unit, after so > many strong > recommendations on the list... Only one on ebay in australia. > Digibid isn't > working again, so I'm really not having any luck. Anyone have knowledge as > to where one can secure one of these puppies these days? > > Thanks in advance, > > Todd Reynolds > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 05:52:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA06035; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 05:31:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 05:31:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: S#!t! HELP! (slightly off-topic midi ?) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 02:23:29 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20010905044017.84587.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey guys, thanks for the replies. I was just about set on the MFC10 until I heard about the slight latency in the transmission of a midi signal. I know I can use a TRS pedal (like Digtitech's FC 300) to take care of record, tap, and play/stop - and use the MFC10 to switch tracks, effects, levels, etc. I'm leaning toward this because the Rocktron is just so damned expensive. But I'm concerned about Repeater controls (such as 'multiply'), which are also time sensitive functions and are not available on the TRS connection. In your opinion (or preferably, in your experience...), do you think the All Access will resolve this latency issue so that I can consolidate everything onto one board? I know that the All Access would mean that I would have to get a separate pedal for feedback control, but if I can solve practical/perceptual latency issues with the All Access, I might just have to go that route. Has anyone tried using the MFC10 to control a Repeater yet? Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 06:25:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA10717; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 06:04:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 06:04:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010905095308.89090.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 02:53:08 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: RE: S#!t! HELP! (slightly off-topic midi ?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Tim Goodwin wrote: > > But I'm concerned about > Repeater controls (such as 'multiply'), which are > also time sensitive > functions and are not available on the TRS > connection. Don't worry about multiply. Even my ART X-15 can handle that one. > I know that the All Access would > mean that I would have to > get a separate pedal for feedback control Not necessarily. You could assign a switch to toggle between 0 & 100% feedback or assign several switches to cover several ranges of feedback. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 09:08:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA27694; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 08:47:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 08:47:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: PMC10 problem Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 07:34:51 -0500 Message-ID: <005101c13607$28a6de20$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Ed, Well my original configuration had the PMC10 set on channels 15 & 16. After it went through its initial reset, it would no longer communicate so I had to use the handheld controller to change the midi channels back to what I had originally programmed. I then tried the upload again and the PMC10 was able to respond to the data, but ultimately ended up like before doing a full reset back to factory defaults. It is almost as if it gets all the data and then locks up (with all lights on) providing a reset (to default) as the only option to get the unit working again. Steve > > Steve, > > I ran into this recently. It might be because because in the > factory reset state NONE is the channel selected for the PMC > 10. On page 3-11 of my PMC 10 Owner's Manual it says "The > PMC10 will only transmit and receive PMC10 SysEx data when > PMC10 Channel is 1-16." Go to submenu of MIDI and set PMC > Channel to 1-16. Hopefully that's all that it is. > > Ed > > > > > >Hi Sean (or any LD PMC10 owner), > > > > > >I performed a download of my PMC10 using Raymond and then saved the > >file on my PC. Everything seemed like it was working just > fine. Then > >for some reason, I accidently did an upload of the current saved > >document, however the PMC10 reacted by flashing its display > erratcially > >and then ending with a message in the display stating to > press enter to > >reset. Low and behold, the system was reset back to factory > defaults > >and now I can't seem to restore the saved document that I > created using > >Raymond. Any ideas would be very helpful & I would rather > not have to > >manually set everything back up (82 patches, 12 banks, > etc.). My midi > >connections appear to be working properly, just for some reason when > >Raymond says that it is transferring data, the PMC10 doesn't > seem to be > >putting it where it needs to be. > > > > > >Thanks, > >Steve > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 09:10:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA27980; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 08:49:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 08:49:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: PMC10 problem Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 07:36:27 -0500 Message-ID: <005201c13607$6226de70$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010904210413.00b21f48@pop.mindspring.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Where else would it be receiving midi traffic from? Thanks Steve > > Good advice. > > Also note that the seizure inducing behavior of the display > is typical (at > least on mine) whenever there is midi in traffic on the PMC10. > > Steve, if Ed's advice doesn't get you running, send you file > to me and I'll > see if it loads into my PMC10. > > sean > > > > At 07:58 PM 9/4/2001, Ed Drake wrote: > >Steve, > > > >I ran into this recently. It might be because because in the factory > >reset state NONE is the channel selected for the PMC 10. On > page 3-11 > >of my PMC 10 Owner's Manual it says "The PMC10 will only > transmit and > >receive PMC10 SysEx data when PMC10 Channel is 1-16." Go to > submenu of > >MIDI and set PMC Channel to 1-16. Hopefully that's all that it is. > > > >Ed > > > > > > > > > >Hi Sean (or any LD PMC10 owner), > > > > > > > > >I performed a download of my PMC10 using Raymond and then > saved the > > >file on my PC. Everything seemed like it was working just fine. > > >Then for some reason, I accidently did an upload of the > current saved > > >document, however the PMC10 reacted by flashing its display > > >erratcially and then ending with a message in the display > stating to > > >press enter to reset. Low and behold, the system was > reset back to > > >factory defaults and now I can't seem to restore the saved > document > > >that I created using Raymond. Any ideas would be very > helpful & I > > >would rather not have to manually set everything back up > (82 patches, > > >12 banks, etc.). My midi connections appear to be working > properly, > > >just for some reason when Raymond says that it is > transferring data, > > >the PMC10 doesn't seem to be putting it where it needs to be. > > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > >Steve > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 09:11:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA28204; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 08:51:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 08:51:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Raymond (was PMC10 problem) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 07:38:30 -0500 Message-ID: <005301c13607$ab28bfd0$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gary, I don't doubt that I am probably doing something wrong here, I just wish I could figure out what it was so that I could correct the problem. Steve > > > Steve says: > saved the file on my PC. Everything seemed like it was > working just fine. Then an upload of the current saved document, however the PMC10 > reacted by flashing its display erratcially with a message in the display stating to press enter to > reset. Low and behold, the system was reset back to factory > that I created using Raymond. Any ideas would be very > helpful . I would rather back up (82 patches, 12 banks, etc.). My midi connections > appear to be working properly, just for some Raymond says that it is transferring data, the PMC10 doesn't > seem to be putting it where it needs to be. > > I am grateful to Sean for having created Raymond, and use it > all the time. Gotta say, tho, the PMC is a little bitch > sometimes, and I have lost data before from (mis)using this > program (user error, I am sure). I have started back my > files up as sysx as a failsafe in addition to using Raymond > for data management, 'cause I hate to lose all that hard > work. Gary PS It's not Raymond's fault > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 09:47:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA32402; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:27:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:27:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Imberg" To: Subject: Gig Spam Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 06:15:46 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings: This Thursday, Sept 6th, I will be performing in the weekly Creative Music Series @ The Luggage Store Gallery in San Francisco. Also on the bill is Tri-Cornered Tent Revival. Show starts @ 8:00 PM. I hope to see any Bay Area residents there. Best Regards, Alan Imberg - Ambient/Experimental Guitarist http://home.sprynet.com/~alan_i From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 09:53:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00324; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:33:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:33:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B964117.CABE6DD0@vtx.ch> Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 15:13:27 +0000 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Raymond (OT) References: <003701c135af$7b8139e0$6501a8c0@stevespc> <4.3.2.7.2.20010904210917.00ba22d8@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6VFR3D.A.qxH.xbil7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sean Why "Raymond" Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 09:59:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00581; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:38:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:38:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ejdrake@pop.mindspring.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <005101c13607$28a6de20$6501a8c0@stevespc> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:28:59 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ed Drake Subject: RE: PMC10 problem Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve, The only other thing I can think of is to change the battery inside the footpedal that stores the memory. It is a 4.5 volt battery a little bigger than a AA size. I was having some memory corruption issues and changing the battery fixed everything. Ed >Hi Ed, > >Well my original configuration had the PMC10 set on channels 15 & 16. >After it went through its initial reset, it would no longer communicate >so I had to use the handheld controller to change the midi channels back >to what I had originally programmed. I then tried the upload again and >the PMC10 was able to respond to the data, but ultimately ended up like >before doing a full reset back to factory defaults. It is almost as if >it gets all the data and then locks up (with all lights on) providing a >reset (to default) as the only option to get the unit working again. > >Steve > > >> >> Steve, >> >> I ran into this recently. It might be because because in the >> factory reset state NONE is the channel selected for the PMC >> 10. On page 3-11 of my PMC 10 Owner's Manual it says "The >> PMC10 will only transmit and receive PMC10 SysEx data when >> PMC10 Channel is 1-16." Go to submenu of MIDI and set PMC >> Channel to 1-16. Hopefully that's all that it is. >> >> Ed >> >> >> > >> >Hi Sean (or any LD PMC10 owner), >> > >> > >> >I performed a download of my PMC10 using Raymond and then saved the >> >file on my PC. Everything seemed like it was working just >> fine. Then >> >for some reason, I accidently did an upload of the current saved >> >document, however the PMC10 reacted by flashing its display >> erratcially >> >and then ending with a message in the display stating to >> press enter to >> >reset. Low and behold, the system was reset back to factory >> defaults >> >and now I can't seem to restore the saved document that I >> created using >> >Raymond. Any ideas would be very helpful & I would rather >> not have to >> >manually set everything back up (82 patches, 12 banks, >> etc.). My midi >> >connections appear to be working properly, just for some reason when >> >Raymond says that it is transferring data, the PMC10 doesn't >> seem to be >> >putting it where it needs to be. >> > >> > >> >Thanks, >> >Steve >> > >> > >> >> >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 10:45:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04430; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 10:24:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 10:24:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: PMC10 problem Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:11:36 -0500 Message-ID: <007601c13614$ac992cd0$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Ed, but I have already changed the battery. (I went ahead and sent the file to Sean) Thanks, Steve > > Steve, > > The only other thing I can think of is to change the battery > inside the footpedal that stores the memory. It is a 4.5 > volt battery a little bigger than a AA size. I was having > some memory corruption issues and changing the battery fixed > everything. > > > Ed > > > >Hi Ed, > > > >Well my original configuration had the PMC10 set on channels > 15 & 16. > >After it went through its initial reset, it would no longer > communicate > >so I had to use the handheld controller to change the midi channels > >back to what I had originally programmed. I then tried the upload > >again and the PMC10 was able to respond to the data, but ultimately > >ended up like before doing a full reset back to factory > defaults. It > >is almost as if it gets all the data and then locks up (with > all lights > >on) providing a reset (to default) as the only option to get > the unit > >working again. > > > >Steve > > > > > >> > >> Steve, > >> > >> I ran into this recently. It might be because because in > the factory > >> reset state NONE is the channel selected for the PMC 10. On page > >> 3-11 of my PMC 10 Owner's Manual it says "The PMC10 will only > >> transmit and receive PMC10 SysEx data when PMC10 Channel > is 1-16." Go > >> to submenu of MIDI and set PMC Channel to 1-16. Hopefully > that's all > >> that it is. > >> > >> Ed > >> > >> > >> > > >> >Hi Sean (or any LD PMC10 owner), > >> > > >> > > >> >I performed a download of my PMC10 using Raymond and then > saved the > >> >file on my PC. Everything seemed like it was working just > >> fine. Then > >> >for some reason, I accidently did an upload of the current saved > >> >document, however the PMC10 reacted by flashing its display > >> erratcially > >> >and then ending with a message in the display stating to > >> press enter to > >> >reset. Low and behold, the system was reset back to factory > >> defaults > >> >and now I can't seem to restore the saved document that I > >> created using > >> >Raymond. Any ideas would be very helpful & I would rather > >> not have to > >> >manually set everything back up (82 patches, 12 banks, > >> etc.). My midi > >> >connections appear to be working properly, just for some > reason when > >> >Raymond says that it is transferring data, the PMC10 doesn't > >> seem to be > >> >putting it where it needs to be. > >> > > >> > > >> >Thanks, > >> >Steve > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 11:17:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06225; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 10:57:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 10:57:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B963ADE.12786B2B@ernieball.com> Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 07:46:54 -0700 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: Using a Looper with a mixer References: <200109050133.VAA24667@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Steve- Here's how I like to connect my EDP to my mixer; I've tried it different ways, but this is how I like to do it. Other people like to do it other ways, and get different results. BTW, my mixer is a Mackie LM-32. I think I remember that you also use a mackie mixer, so this should work for you as well. I connect the mixer's monitor out to the input of the EDP. Since the monitor out is stereo and the EDP is mono, I only use the left side of the monitor out. This works well because my inputs are generally mono anyway and I don't pan the signals, so left and right signals are about the same. For Repeater (when they get the wet/dry thing fixed) I'll use both left and right, and be more adventurous with my panning. So when I want to send a signal or a combination of signals to the looper, I just press their solo buttons on the mixer, and they appear at the monitor out. I also get a little red light that tells me what's being sent to the looper at all times, and i can hear it in my headphones. Now what's important here is to get all of the levels right so that you get the same level out of the looper as you do out of the master. Here are my settings: * EDP output fully clockwise * EDP mix fully clockwise (all loop [wet]) * EDP input channel on the mixer at unity * monitor level at unity * solo level at unity * adjust the EDP input level until your loop is at the same level as what you are looping This assumes that you aren't actually using your monitor buss for monitoring. Caution: If, in the heat of the moment, you forget to press the solo button for what you think you are looping, you will loop the main mix. This can be ugly and embarrassing. Also, I tend to get clipping on the EDP at above +6db with bass signals, so try to keep the levels under control. Good luck, and feel free to ask me any more questions about it. The rest of you, feel free to criticize as necessary. -Hans > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RE: Using a Looper with a mixer > Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 15:54:59 -0500 > From: "M. Steven Ginn" > To: > > Hi Richard, > > How should I analyze how I want to manipulate my sounds? How do I learn > so I can better understand the musical implications of series/parallel > and pre/post faders? I have Craig Anderton's book about effects and I > understand at a basic level things like delay should come before reverb > and compression should usually be first in the signal chain as well. I > am using a line mixer to combine the sounds of all my synths into a > single audio pair which I can then begin routing in series through my > compressor, delay, looper, reverb or send to a mixer where I blend in > these effects using aux busses. But which is the best way (musically > and quality) is what I am not sure about. For me, keeping everything in > series is more time efficient when setting up and tearing down my rig, > but if it is going to sacrifice potential musical and sonic quality and > flexibility then I would bring along the external mixer and use the aux > bus approach. > > Thanks, > > Steve > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 11:21:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07509; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 11:01:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 11:01:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010905104713.00ade530@pop1.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 10:48:43 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: FS300 In-Reply-To: <3B964117.CABE6DD0@vtx.ch> References: <003701c135af$7b8139e0$6501a8c0@stevespc> <4.3.2.7.2.20010904210917.00ba22d8@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <1HnbcC.A.IZB.usjl7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there. Does anyone have a schematic for an FS300-like setup? 3 switches on a TRS plug? I figure there must be a diode or two in there. I could probably figure it out myself but I was hoping there might already be a resource. No sense in paying $40-50 for a pedal we can make for $10 in parts and a little soldering. thanks plexus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 12:30:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13251; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 12:09:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 12:09:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 08:55:44 -0700 From: "Miko Biffle" To: , Cc: Subject: Re: PMC10 problem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA11245 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Sean... I've had this problem happen more than once, and all I can say is... You *always* program those (x number of patches) way more quickly than you did the first time! 8-) PMC10 resets are a royal pain... but the pedal is small and does EVERYTHING (most of the time). I've had it reset on me at the beginning of a multi-day recording session among other things. Sorry for you loss... Not sure why you're Raymond doc is futzed up... Best, -Miko >>> sginn@airmail.net 09/04/01 07:07PM >>> Hi Sean (or any LD PMC10 owner), I performed a download of my PMC10 using Raymond and then saved the file on my PC. Everything seemed like it was working just fine. Then for some reason, I accidently did an upload of the current saved document, however the PMC10 reacted by flashing its display erratcially and then ending with a message in the display stating to press enter to reset. Low and behold, the system was reset back to factory defaults and now I can't seem to restore the saved document that I created using Raymond. Any ideas would be very helpful . I would rather not have to manually set everything back up (82 patches, 12 banks, etc.). My midi connections appear to be working properly, just for some reason when Raymond says that it is transferring data, the PMC10 doesn't seem to be putting it where it needs to be. Thanks, Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 13:11:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17454; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 12:51:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 12:51:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010905093657.00915320@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: sean_@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 09:36:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: RE: OT: PMC10 problem In-Reply-To: <005201c13607$6226de70$6501a8c0@stevespc> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010904210413.00b21f48@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From Raymond when you do an upload. Or from any midi device that you have plugged into the midi in of the PMC10. At 07:36 AM 9/5/01 -0500, Steve wrote: >Where else would it be receiving midi traffic from? > >> Also note that the seizure inducing behavior of the display >> is typical (at >> least on mine) whenever there is midi in traffic on the PMC10. >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 14:53:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28727; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 14:33:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 14:33:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: RE: Repeaters @ Alto Music Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 20:21:55 +0200 Message-ID: <000e01c13637$a50b58d0$0301a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loopers, coming to speak of ordering a Repeater from Alto Music: I made a pre-order as part of the Loopers-Delight enquiry in January, and inquired end of August, where I was told they would notify me as soon as they wouod start shipping it. Haven't heard anything since. Any other members of the Loopers-Delight-Order who already got theirs, and when (private replies please !) Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 16:08:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03083; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 15:49:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 15:49:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: New Site To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.5 Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 15:42:02 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com www.magicicada.com is online feauturing the experimental compostions of christopher white warning tis somewhat of an image intensive site lots of mp3s for your enjoyment thanks c.white From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 16:16:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03573; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 15:55:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 15:55:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PaulPokr@aol.com Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 15:41:27 EDT Subject: Echoplex Digital Pro Documentation Whining To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <28.1a2e4119.28c7d9e8@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0812zB.A.9q.PAol7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use my Echoplex Digital Pro as my primary looper. Frankly, though, I rarely push the limits of its capabilities. When I’m in a playing mood, I want to do just that, play. Hence, I don’t want to fool with reviewing documentation, etc. That being said, I feel that, while the documentation for the EDP is thorough, it’s organized in an inefficient manner. The first thing I did when I received my EDP was to copy the pertinent sections of the docs for the purpose of creating a smaller, more easily accessible set of documentation (e.g. just the RECORD, INSERT commands, et al). Secondly, I feel that there needs to be some sort of user’s guide that provides examples of how to use the EDP in a cookbook manner. There are snippets of this type of info in the Looper’s Delight archive gleaned from the board’s messages but a more comprehensive grouping of examples would be beneficial. Gibson/Trace-Elliot fortunately has reintroduced the EDP some time ago. I don’t know what their sales figures are like but the device has some serious competition in the Electrix Repeater. The lack of more thorough EDP documentation strikes me as a severe drawback to the EDP. Also, there’s been talk off and on about a video tutorial for the EDP. I think the device warrants this kind of learning tool. Gibson/Trace-Elliot must have invested a not insignificant sum when they setup the manufacturing environment for the EDP. Maybe they should consider allocating sufficient funds to address the documentation/user training shortcomings of the EDP. Anyhow, my two cents. Regards, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 16:24:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05093; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 16:03:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 16:03:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB7E2@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." 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------_=_NextPart_001_01C13644.0C6583A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 17:20:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09818; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 16:57:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 16:57:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 13:32:33 -0700 From: Anthony Justman Subject: Re: Peavey 1600x sought after. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005e01c13649$e447ae60$0300a8c0@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20010905045911.60849.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > --- todd reynolds wrote: > > Dear users of peavey 1600x... *** > > Anyone have knowledge as > > to where one can secure one of these puppies these > > days? keep trying ebay. I've seen 5-6 over the last few months. most have been selling in the $325 range. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Anthony Justman San Francisco California pantonio@pacbell.net www.greatgodpan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 17:25:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11132; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 17:03:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 17:03:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Don Goodeve To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Repeater & Tempo Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 13:50:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1364C.54A74FB0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1364C.54A74FB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear Philip I was interested by your email - to help with any purchase decision, I have prepared some .mp3 files from the Repeater sitting on my desk. If you can recieve about 1M of data, I will mail you the .mp3 files individually. RSVP Don Goodeve Electrix -----Original Message----- From: Philip Rampi [mailto:prgconsulting@prodigy.net] Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 11:17 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater & Tempo Here's my question to all that own a Repeater: How slow can you go? Preamble: I own 2 EDP's and have the glutinous urge to purchase a Repeater as well. Not that I need to, but the tempo function has got me curious. I have wanted a device that could slow audio without a pitch change for quite a while. My main interest in the tempo function is to use it as a technology based teacher (I.E. - slow that hyper fast Celtic reel down without pitch change so that I can learn it proper). I know that various software has offered this type of function but I prefer a hardware solution (portability). I was very close to purchasing a device called the TR-1000 ($250.00). http://www.reedkotler.com/tr-1000/manual/manual2.html This box is a looper that is designed for transcribers and comes highly recommended from a musical buddy. It is incredibly easy to use and does it's job very well. My issue is that it's purchase price is nearly 1/2 that of the repeater and that its top sample rate is only 22k. At that sample rate you only get 1.5 min. of recording and there are obvious and annoying artifacts in the sound. It is clear that the Repeater is a far superior box and does an amazing amount of very cool things but..... Is it as good at the tempo thang or not. Please post information on the following: Can you slow audio down without pitch change that is of good quality (few artifacts)? What is the actual range of this function (I.E. - max and min ranges for speed up and slow down) Is this function stable (someone just posted a Repeater lockup during tempo function)? Any feedback on the TR-1000 or similar devices? Grazie, Philoop ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1364C.54A74FB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Dear Philip
 
I was interested by your email - to help with any purchase decision, I have prepared some .mp3 files
from the Repeater sitting on my desk. If you can recieve about 1M of data, I will mail you the .mp3
files individually.
 
RSVP
 
    Don Goodeve
    Electrix
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Philip Rampi [mailto:prgconsulting@prodigy.net]
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 11:17 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Repeater & Tempo

Here's my question to all that own a Repeater:

How slow can you go?

Preamble:
I own 2 EDP's and have the glutinous urge to purchase a Repeater as well.  Not that I need to, but the tempo function has got me curious.  I have wanted a device that could slow audio without a pitch change for quite a while.  My main interest in the tempo function is to use it as a technology based teacher (I.E. - slow that hyper fast Celtic reel down without pitch change so that I can learn it proper).  I know that various software has offered this type of function but I prefer a hardware solution (portability).

I was very close to purchasing a device called the TR-1000 ($250.00).
http://www.reedkotler.com/tr-1000/manual/manual2.html

This box is a looper that is designed for transcribers and comes highly recommended from a musical buddy.  It is incredibly easy to use and does it's job very well.  My issue is that it's purchase price is nearly 1/2 that of the repeater and that its top sample rate is only 22k.  At that sample rate you only get 1.5 min. of recording and there are obvious and annoying artifacts in the sound.  It is clear that the Repeater is a far superior box and does an amazing amount of very cool things but.....  Is it as good at the tempo thang or not.

Please post information on the following:

Can you slow audio down without pitch change that is of good quality (few artifacts)?

What is the actual range of this function (I.E. - max and min ranges for speed up and slow down)

Is this function stable (someone just posted a Repeater lockup during tempo function)?

Any feedback on the TR-1000 or similar devices?


Grazie,
Philoop
------_=_NextPart_001_01C1364C.54A74FB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 17:58:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15420; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 17:37:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 17:37:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 17:27:10 -0400 Subject: Re: Echoplex Digital Pro Documentation Whining From: Doug Miller To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <28.1a2e4119.28c7d9e8@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6ReUqD.A.hTD.kgpl7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I agree! And it should be properly designed too! ============================================== Doug Miller Web Designer Columbus, Ohio http://www.dispatch.com http://www.cccn.org http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller > Gibson/Trace-Elliot must have invested a not insignificant sum when they setup > the manufacturing environment for the EDP. Maybe they should consider > allocating sufficient funds to address the documentation/user training > shortcomings of the EDP. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 18:32:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19416; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 18:11:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 18:11:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c13655$f4fe2160$0501a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "MediaOne" To: References: Subject: Re: Echoplex Digital Pro Documentation Whining Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 14:58:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The online .pdf manual is revised and searchable- try it- Om ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Miller" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 2:27 PM Subject: Re: Echoplex Digital Pro Documentation Whining > I agree! And it should be properly designed too! > ============================================== > > Doug Miller > Web Designer > Columbus, Ohio > > http://www.dispatch.com > http://www.cccn.org > http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller > > > Gibson/Trace-Elliot must have invested a not insignificant sum when they setup > > the manufacturing environment for the EDP. Maybe they should consider > > allocating sufficient funds to address the documentation/user training > > shortcomings of the EDP. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 18:49:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20697; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 18:28:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 18:28:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B96A51F.F538F2EA@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 15:20:55 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Yet another beginner.. References: <20010905020956.22367.qmail@nwcst280.netaddress.usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dustin Puryear wrote: (snip) > > I guess my question boils down to: how can I get started? > > Also, are there any tutorials for creating good beats? Books? I do this just > to pass the time and as a hobby. (It's relaxing isn't it?) So I'm not looking > for a pro studio or anything. > > Regards, Dustin > > --- > Dustin Puryear > http://members.telocity.com/~dpuryear > In the beginning the Universe was created. > This has been widely regarded as a bad move. - Douglas Adams on a certain level, we're all beginners. imo the mark of a master is not virtuosity but (or maybe a little of that, and) a beginner's mind. it sounds like working in rhythms is where it's at for you. one approach might be to take that fascination and work with it- building on it bit by bit until you have a small world all its own you can move around in. we don't all have to be songwriters, virtuosos, or multi-instrumentalists...as for practical considerations, i think you're not alone in disliking a point & click interface for your tools. i'm more of a knob-twiddler myself (tho mouse-clicker by day); a bank of cheap used analog drum machines and a filter might be one approach, and then you might want a mixer of some sort to dance among them- there are many more on this list that are better versed in software rhythm-creation stuff than i. they will chime in if prompted. my advise: start modest, simple, and put yourself into it. you can always add more complexity once you've established some directions. become very familiar with basic tools- use them deeply, and they will become your friends. owning rack upon rack of exotic gear might look impressive, but unless the person using it is fully engaged, it's all fluff. hope this helps lance g. ps any relation to martin puryear (the sculptor)? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 18:58:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21144; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 18:37:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 18:37:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: S#!t! HELP! (slightly off-topic midi ?) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 15:28:08 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20010905095308.89090.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks again for all the help. I decided to go with an MFC10 to control my new Repeater and G2. I will be sure to let everyone know how it works out. I will probably use a 3 button TRS as a dedicated Play/Stop, Record & Tap Tempo controller if the MFC10 is too slow. I feel like a new man. :) Oh yeah, John, the G2 has other features that I'm looking for. Pitch shifting is only one small feature (for octave dividing) that I'm interested in. I'm not really looking for a unit that is geared toward pitch shifting per se, so the Eventide probably wouldn't work for my needs. Thanks for the suggestion though. -- Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 18:58:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21175; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 18:38:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 18:38:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: S#!t! HELP! (slightly off-topic midi ?) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 15:28:07 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20010905095308.89090.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: John Tidwell [mailto:wedgehed@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 2:53 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: S#!t! HELP! (slightly off-topic midi ?) --- Tim Goodwin wrote: > > But I'm concerned about > Repeater controls (such as 'multiply'), which are > also time sensitive > functions and are not available on the TRS > connection. Don't worry about multiply. Even my ART X-15 can handle that one. > I know that the All Access would > mean that I would have to > get a separate pedal for feedback control Not necessarily. You could assign a switch to toggle between 0 & 100% feedback or assign several switches to cover several ranges of feedback. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 19:03:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21439; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 18:42:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 18:42:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Echoplex Digital Pro Documentation Whining Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 15:28:09 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <7oiMLD.A.zDF.Ncql7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Uh-- I kinda like the way the EDP manual is set up--short instructions, long glossary. But a video would be fun. Any volunteers? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 19:18:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22460; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 18:57:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 18:57:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: Repeaters @ Alto Music (Richard) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 15:43:43 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, please do advertise, Richard. I'm sure many of us here in Southern California would enjoy coming to see you play sometime... (And that goes for you other loopers too!) Kevin > Good point. Now that I'm starting to play out more I should really > advertise the fact! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 19:18:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22461; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 18:57:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 18:57:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010905224552.17949.qmail@web11002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 15:45:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew McCabe Subject: Re: Yet another beginner.. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3B96A51F.F538F2EA@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- lance glover wrote: > prompted. my advise: start modest, simple, and put > yourself into it. you can > always add more complexity once you've established > some directions. become very > familiar with basic tools- use them deeply, and they > will become your friends. > owning rack upon rack of exotic gear might look > impressive, but unless the person > using it is fully engaged, it's all fluff. Lance, I think you've hit the nail on the head here. I can't count how many time I have used the excuse "If I only had X, Y, and Z...then I would be able to create some great music." Instead of worrying about the limitations of our gear, we should be fully exploiting them! Thanks for "bringing it home." Matt ===== www.mp3.com/kingnever __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 20:14:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27144; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 19:53:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 19:53:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 16:36:07 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: Repeaters @ Alto Music (Richard) In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:43 PM -0700 9/5/01, Kevin Mulvihill wrote: >Yes, please do advertise, Richard. I'm sure many of us here in Southern >California would enjoy coming to see you play sometime... I'm in the process of revitalizing my music making after a substantial hiatus. Until last week the most recent significant live performance I'd done was in 1995, at the computer music conference in Banff. I just had an 8-channel surround-sound tape piece played in Vermont, and I'll be at Woodstockhausen in Boulder Creek on 9/15. Then at the end of October I'll take part in a Trimpin installation for nine MIDI-controlled toy pianos. After that, I don't know, but I just ordered two Repeaters so I might do something loopy. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 20:32:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29176; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 20:11:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 20:11:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c13666$8227e020$17dc1ad8@internet> From: "Gerry P" To: References: Subject: Fripp's Octave Unit? Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 19:57:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have been watching Fripp in Japan video and wondering if anyone knows what octave pedal/unit he uses - the unit gives an octave up and sounds great in his loops. Gerry From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 20:32:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29175; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 20:11:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 20:11:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Using a Looper with a mixer Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 18:57:21 -0500 Message-ID: <00cc01c13666$81064380$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <3B963ADE.12786B2B@ernieball.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <7otymC.A.QrG.qwrl7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Hans, Thanks for the detailed signal path. This is definitely another way that I have yet to consider in setting up all these great effects and processors. From what you and others have mentioned, getting everything balanced properly seems to be critical, regardless of the paths (series, parallel) taken. Thanks, Steve > > > Hi Steve- > > Here's how I like to connect my EDP to my mixer; I've tried > it different ways, but this is how I like to do it. Other > people like to do it other ways, and get different results. > BTW, my mixer is a Mackie LM-32. I think I remember that you > also use a mackie mixer, so this should work for you as well. > > I connect the mixer's monitor out to the input of the EDP. > Since the monitor out is stereo and the EDP is mono, I only > use the left side of the monitor out. This works well > because my inputs are generally mono anyway and I don't pan > the signals, so left and right signals are about the same. > For Repeater (when they get the wet/dry thing fixed) I'll use > both left and right, and be more adventurous with my panning. > > So when I want to send a signal or a combination of signals > to the looper, I just press their solo buttons on the mixer, > and they appear at the monitor out. I also get a little red > light that tells me what's being sent to the looper at all > times, and i can hear it in my headphones. Now what's > important here is to get all of the levels right so that you > get the same level out of the looper as you do out of the > master. Here are my settings: > > * EDP output fully clockwise > * EDP mix fully clockwise (all loop [wet]) > * EDP input channel on the mixer at unity > * monitor level at unity > * solo level at unity > * adjust the EDP input level until your loop is at the same > level as what you are looping > > This assumes that you aren't actually using your monitor buss > for monitoring. > > Caution: If, in the heat of the moment, you forget to press > the solo button for what you think you are looping, you will > loop the main mix. > This can be ugly and embarrassing. Also, I tend to get > clipping on the EDP at above +6db with bass signals, so try > to keep the levels under control. > > Good luck, and feel free to ask me any more questions about > it. The rest of you, feel free to criticize as necessary. > > -Hans > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > > > Subject: RE: Using a Looper with a mixer > > Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 15:54:59 -0500 > > From: "M. Steven Ginn" > > To: > > > > Hi Richard, > > > > How should I analyze how I want to manipulate my sounds? How do I > > learn so I can better understand the musical implications of > > series/parallel and pre/post faders? I have Craig Anderton's book > > about effects and I understand at a basic level things like delay > > should come before reverb and compression should usually be > first in > > the signal chain as well. I am using a line mixer to combine the > > sounds of all my synths into a single audio pair which I can then > > begin routing in series through my compressor, delay, > looper, reverb > > or send to a mixer where I blend in these effects using aux > busses. > > But which is the best way (musically and quality) is what I am not > > sure about. For me, keeping everything in series is more time > > efficient when setting up and tearing down my rig, but if > it is going > > to sacrifice potential musical and sonic quality and > flexibility then > > I would bring along the external mixer and use the aux bus approach. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Steve > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 20:55:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30274; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 20:34:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 20:34:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Anthony.Hancock@qbemm.com.au Subject: Re: Fripp's Octave Unit? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.3 (Intl) 21 March 2000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 11:18:31 +1000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on ntg2138a03/QBE-MM(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 06/09/2001 10:18:32 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <9Ez60B.A.eOH.oFsl7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From various pictures etc....he uses a Digitech Whammy. Also he uses things like Roland VG and GR units. I read once he said he didn't use the VG to copy "classic" sounds, but to develop new stuff - i.e. poly pitch shift. also Fripp uses Eventide gear. Cheers, Anthony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 21:12:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31473; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 20:51:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 20:51:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B96C7EC.393@Hevanet.Com.> Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 17:48:44 -0700 From: DaViD AuKeR X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Racks (Re: Yet another beginner..) References: <200109052318.TAA24854@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com lance glover said: > ...owning rack upon rack of exotic gear might look impressive...< Hmmm, speaking of racks: I'm starting to accumulate stuff (edp, repeater, mixer, filterqueen...). So far, I've been fairly clever stacking the stuff on shelves (repeater is hanging). BUT, it's hard getting to the back to see what evil lurks with all dem sound cords! Any suggestions on efficient ways of racking, like are there mini-ErectorSets™ to build a custom stack ("plumber's tape"? :-) Like, how would you start racking in a small way? "Table-top now, wheelz later!" Thnx for sharing, David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 21:19:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31889; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 20:58:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 20:58:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000901c13666$8227e020$17dc1ad8@internet> References: <000901c13666$8227e020$17dc1ad8@internet> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 17:45:37 -0700 To: "Gerry P" , From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: Fripp's Octave Unit? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If memory serves (which it may well not, but anyway that was my favorite Material title and it came out at about the same era I saw a Frippertronics show'n'tell at Tower Records in Seattle)-- it's a custom fuzzbox that perhaps incorporates a full-wave rectifier circuit for that unusually stable octave-up followed by a more typical clipper for the square-wavey reediness. Well, at least that was my assessment at the time, I built an analog fuzz with a full-wave rectifier in it and a heavy compressor ahead of it, and sorta kinda got a similar sound. This probably wasn't very helpful, but I agree it is a very nice timbre...a friend used to call it the "tone so edgy you can shave with it". -Alex S. At 7:57 PM -0400 9/5/01, Gerry P wrote: >I have been watching Fripp in Japan video and wondering if anyone knows what >octave pedal/unit he uses - the unit gives an octave up and sounds great in >his loops. > >Gerry From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 21:30:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00960; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 21:09:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 21:09:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B96C9CA.D860A0AC@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 17:56:30 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater effect send References: <00cc01c13666$81064380$6501a8c0@stevespc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey loopers and loopettes, I've hooked up my Repeater at the end of a chain that's basically in series. There sure are a lot of empty jacks on the back of that baby, but as I'm using the stereo outs, I don't see the need of doing a quad out set up. I can see the usefulness in a live gig for quad looping, but not at home. Then there's the question of the effects sends. I'm not sure what I'd gain from using them, as opposed to having the Repeater at the end of the chain. Any ideas? I'd love to here how people are incorporating this new loop tool into their setups. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 21:32:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01043; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 21:11:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 21:11:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010905205518.007e3bf0@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 20:55:18 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Fripp's Octave Unit? In-Reply-To: <000901c13666$8227e020$17dc1ad8@internet> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not 100% sure since a lot of his gear can pitch shift, but I know among his high quality stuff he's been known to use a cheesy ol' Digitech Whammy, which can certainly do that particular sound. -t At 07:57 PM 9/5/01 -0400, you wrote: >I have been watching Fripp in Japan video and wondering if anyone knows what >octave pedal/unit he uses - the unit gives an octave up and sounds great in >his loops. > >Gerry From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 21:59:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03510; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 21:38:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 21:38:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: Repeater effect send Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 18:21:08 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3B96C9CA.D860A0AC@zerocrossing.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <821ECB.A.Kl.0Ctl7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One of the coolest things about the Repeater is the software addressable effect sends. Those blowout Electrix effects are made to be applied (inserted) into loops, or inserted into the live input for recording or playing "wet". The Repeater has midi controllers for changing where the effect send is inserted. This is one of the most exciting things about working with the Repeater, IMHO. I have my setup for playing in my home studio only at the moment, but could see adapting this to a live situation using a small mixer: I have all my effects boxes (MOfx, FilterFactory, Vortex, DL4) in a patchbay, with each input and output addressable at the front, non-normalled. The Repeater effect sends and returns are also cabled to the patchbay. So when I want an effect, I patch cable the chosen effect(s) to the Repeater. This gives the most flexibility for choosing what effect, and what order when patching multiple effects in series. I have signal going to the Repeater input from a pair of Aux sends on my Mackie 1642, with the stereo output of the Repeater going into a stereo channel on the mixer. This gives flexibility as to what instrument I'm playing into the 'peater. Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 5:57 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Repeater effect send > > > Hey loopers and loopettes, > > I've hooked up my Repeater at the end of a chain that's basically in > series. There sure are a lot of empty jacks on the back of that baby, but > as I'm using the stereo outs, I don't see the need of doing a quad out set > up. I can see the usefulness in a live gig for quad looping, but not at > home. Then there's the question of the effects sends. I'm not sure what > I'd gain from using them, as opposed to having the Repeater at the end of > the chain. Any ideas? I'd love to here how people are incorporating this > new loop tool into their setups. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 22:05:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03843; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 21:44:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 21:44:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010905212854.007e5510@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 21:28:54 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Racks (Re: Yet another beginner..) In-Reply-To: <3B96C7EC.393@Hevanet.Com.> References: <200109052318.TAA24854@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id VAA03137 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you play exclusively at home, there are several types of home studio racks available that are basically a lightweight frame supporting a couple of rack rails. However, if you play out at all, or wish to be able to move the equipment easily without tearing it down, you can't beat a mixer rack. Go for one that's a bit more spacious than you currently need; you'll always find *just one more piece* to put in there, and it's easier to buy one that can accommodate than to replace the whole rack. The kind of rack where the mixer can tilt up into position at the top of a regular rack is great because you can leave everything hooked up. Instant setup. Carpeting and wheels; durable and mobile. -t At 05:48 PM 9/5/01 -0700, you wrote: >Any suggestions on efficient ways of racking, like are there >mini-ErectorSets™ to build a custom stack ("plumber's tape"? :-) Like, >how would you start racking in a small way? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 22:13:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04199; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 21:50:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 21:50:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d901c13674$5af50d80$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Eric Williamson" From: "Eric Williamson" To: Subject: Re: Fripp's Octave Unit? Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 20:36:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <9it8hC.A.n2.BOtl7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I have been watching Fripp in Japan video and wondering if anyone knows what >octave pedal/unit he uses - the unit gives an octave up and sounds great in >his loops. Which Fripp in Japan video? Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 22:23:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05740; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 22:02:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 22:02:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B96D63B.BEC6B05F@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 18:49:36 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeaters in stock References: <200109050120.SAA22086@well.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is where I got mine, and I'll attest that I've never spoken to a more loop savy salesman than Rik. If you're in the SF bay area, you should check out their store, it's sweet. Mark Sottilaro Rik Elswit wrote: > Bananas has 'em in stock and ready to ship. > > Rik Elswit > Bananas at Large > 415-457-7600 > tu-sat 10-6 PDT From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 22:39:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07068; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 22:19:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 22:19:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005101c13678$946afee0$bfdd1ad8@internet> From: "Gerry P" To: References: Subject: Re: Fripp's Octave Unit? Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 22:06:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Robert Fripp String Quintet Live in Japan - recorded in 1992 - accompanied by the California Guitar Trio and Trey Gunn on Grand Stick. > > Which Fripp in Japan video? > > > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 22:44:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07231; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 22:23:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 22:23:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006201c13679$2904aec0$bfdd1ad8@internet> From: "Gerry P" To: References: <000901c13666$8227e020$17dc1ad8@internet> Subject: Re: Fripp's Octave Unit? Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 22:10:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I guess a Boss pedal was too much to hope for! Gerry > custom fuzzbox that perhaps incorporates a full-wave rectifier > circuit for that unusually stable octave-up followed by a more > typical clipper for the square-wavey reediness. Well, at least that > was my assessment at the time, I built an analog fuzz with a > full-wave rectifier in it and a heavy compressor ahead of it, and > sorta kinda got a similar sound. > -Alex S. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 22:48:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07452; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 22:28:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 22:28:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B96DC5E.13138DE2@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 19:15:47 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Site References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sweet Chris. I like the look, and I love the loops. Reminds me that one of these days I've got to digitize some of the many hours of live stuff I did with my bands Zerocrossing and Sleeping... I'll get around to it... Mark Sottilaro Christopher White wrote: > www.magicicada.com is online > > feauturing the experimental compostions of christopher white > > warning tis somewhat of an image intensive site > > lots of mp3s for your enjoyment > thanks > c.white From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 23:10:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08436; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 22:49:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 22:49:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Anthony.Hancock@qbemm.com.au Subject: Re: Fripp's Octave Unit? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.3 (Intl) 21 March 2000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 13:35:15 +1000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on ntg2138a03/QBE-MM(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 06/09/2001 12:35:15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I thought Fripp and Belew were converts to the Z Vex Fuzz Factory. belew was apparently using (for the construction of light tour) a GR30, Boss Compressor Sustainer, Fuzz Factory and a Johnson - super digital - amp. oh for clarification - was the query about Octave up effect or a fuzz box (a la Roger Mayer Octavia) style - i'm confused? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 23:52:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11548; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 23:31:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 23:31:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010905212854.007e5510@pop.metrocast.net> References: <200109052318.TAA24854@hemlock.violacea.com> <3.0.5.32.20010905212854.007e5510@pop.metrocast.net> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 20:18:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: Racks (Re: Yet another beginner..) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My first rack was a plastic milk crate. Lots of people used the square ones for holding LP's but I found a longer one that was just perfect for my few U's worth of intermittent gear. I worried that someday some responsible dairy worker would see the "property of Lucerne" label on my stage rig and call the authorities. Fortunately we drew the size of crowd that made this statistically highly unlikely, and I lucked out. They never caught me tearing off the tags on my queen-size sound baffles either. Just recently I noticed that $9.95 "LACK" end tables from Ikea have legs with exactly the right spacing for rack gear. Taking the ultimate low-fi approach of mounting the gear right onto the table legs with wood screws, this must be the world's cheapest rack you can buy. In lots of different colors no less. Totally useless for travel and hard to reconfigure without metal threaded holes, but for a bunch of gear I never move, these things actually work and look just fine. -Alex S. >-t > >At 05:48 PM 9/5/01 -0700, you wrote: > >Any suggestions on efficient ways of racking, like are there > >mini-ErectorSets™ to build a custom stack ("plumber's tape"? :-) Like, > >how would you start racking in a small way? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 01:36:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA21103; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 01:14:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 01:14:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 21:56:09 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Racks (Re: Yet another beginner..) In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200109052318.TAA24854@hemlock.violacea.com> <3.0.5.32.20010905212854.007e5510@pop.metrocast.net> Resent-Message-ID: <1HvghC.A.KBF.aNwl7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:18 PM -0700 9/5/01, Alex Stahl wrote: >Just recently I noticed that $9.95 "LACK" end tables from Ikea have >legs with exactly the right spacing for rack gear. Ikea also sells a nice rolling metal rack with adjustable shelves, inner dimensions about 16" by 21" and 35" high. It's similar to commercial kitchen shelving. The shelves are metal grid construction, so they're airy but strong and easy to snake cables through. It's just perfect for my two Mac desktop CPUs side by side, with two stacks of drives on a shelf above them. About $40, I think. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 04:33:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA03718; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 04:12:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 04:12:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Andy Ewen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Echoplex Digital Pro Documentation Whining Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 02:54:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com We've talked about doing a tutorial video here at Trace. This could be used for sales guys in-store and users alike so it's something well worth considering. Bit busy at the moment but if I get any progress on the idea I'll let everyone know, Andy. > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:healthquestrecruiter@earthlink.net] > Sent: 05 September 2001 23:28 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Echoplex Digital Pro Documentation Whining > > > Uh-- > I kinda like the way the EDP manual is set up--short > instructions, long > glossary. > But a video would be fun. > Any volunteers? > Gary > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 05:46:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA10800; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 05:25:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 05:25:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 10:15:18 +0100 Subject: Re: Fripp's Octave Unit? From: roberto To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000901c13666$8227e020$17dc1ad8@internet> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1UYcuC.A.IYC.r3zl7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 6/9/01 12:57 am, Gerry P at gerryp@air.on.ca wrote: > I have been watching Fripp in Japan video and wondering if anyone knows what > octave pedal/unit he uses - the unit gives an octave up and sounds great in > his loops. > > Gerry > I don't know if this helps (from Guitar Magazine, January 1999): Fripp's set-up for Soundscapes is Fernandes sustainer guitar (modified) three switchable outputs, one to Roland VG8, one to Roland GR30, one to Roland GR1 > Digitech whammy > TC G-Force > split into two Roland GP100 each split into > two TC2290 feeding into an Eventide 3000 the other two into Eventide 3500, the two resulting outputs being fed to quadraphonic mixer. Roberto ______________________________________________ Roberto Battista http://www.robat.scl.net http://www.robat.scl.net/lectures/index.shtm Tel. 0044 020 8449 1995 Mobile 0775 960 4344 ______________________________________________ http://www.rustyrobot.com independent on-line music distribution, the music you can't find elsewhere, hybrid, eclectic, world, looped, unusual... ______________________________________________ http://www.robat.scl.net/html/tibet/tibet.shtm an exciting project on technology applied to mobile education for developing countries and remote locations... ______________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 06:13:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA12747; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 05:53:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 05:53:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001601c136b7$eed16560$51cec22b@cambmaya04> From: "Os" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: undersized compact flash cards? Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 10:40:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com May be of interest to Repeater owners: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/3/21454.html os. os@scee.sony.co.uk http://www.mp3.com/carbonboy/ http://www.mp3.com/darkroomuk/ http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 10:15:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA01702; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 09:54:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 09:54:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.34.119.151] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fripp's Octave Unit? Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 09:41:25 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Sep 2001 13:41:25.0238 (UTC) FILETIME=[9F5A4160:01C136D9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

Here is Fripp's gear from the 93' tour w/ David Sylvian pretty similar to the earlier Japan Tour

Fripp's equipment for Damage was a customised Les Paul fed into Roland GP-16 and Korg A2 multi-effects units, then into a pair of TC Electronics TC 2290s with up to 64 seconds of delay and then into an Eventide 3000 harmonizer.

"I also used a Korg A1 multi-effects unit and a programmable footpedal made by Ground Control. The guitar is a Tokai Les Paul with a Roland synth pick-up. I used a GR-300 Roland guitar synth for some things. Now my American rig has replaced the Korg A1 with a new Eventide 4000. It's currently a Tokai Les Paul, a Roland GR-300 synth pick-up and attachment, and a Digitech whammy pedal with a Korg A2 multi-effects unit."


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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 12:30:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15167; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 12:09:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 12:09:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001601c136b7$eed16560$51cec22b@cambmaya04> References: <001601c136b7$eed16560$51cec22b@cambmaya04> Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 11:54:46 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: undersized compact flash cards? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >May be of interest to Repeater owners: > >http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/3/21454.html tony.smith@theregister.co.uk wrote: >What we think it's trying to say is that a SanDisk megabyte is 48,576 bytes >smaller than everyone else's. So, if you buy a 64MB SanDisk CompactFlash >card, you'll actually get 3,108,864 fewer bytes than you expect. There are only two possibilities: 1. SanDisk's disks come in exactly the same sizes as everyone else's but SanDisk reports *everyone's* sizes differently. or 2. SanDisk's disks ARE somehow smaller and they use this weird accounting to conceal this fact. Now, they only MAKE chip memory in certain very round sizes: 1,2,4,8,16,32,64,128,256 megabits for example(*), where a megabit is 1024*1024 bits or 2**20 bits. All the CompactFlash manufacturers are using similar commodity chips. So all the cards pretty well have to come in exactly the same sizes. You'd really have to go out of your way to disable 5% of the memory! The only reason might be if they were using part of the memory somehow for something clever like error correction. But you think they'd trumpet this fact! No, I think it's option 1... /t (* -- Not all that memory is always available to you because the CompactFlash card also has to keep directory information, but that also has nothing to do with the manufacturer, it's part of the standard (or else different disks couldn't be read by different machines!)) .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 12:41:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15847; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 12:20:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 12:20:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 11:10:49 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Racks (Re: Yet another beginner..) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005a01c136ee$7e4d0e20$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200109052318.TAA24854@hemlock.violacea.com> <3.0.5.32.20010905212854.007e5510@pop.metrocast.net> Resent-Message-ID: <48LoqD.A.SsD.N-5l7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com this is my plan as well. in fact, i'm thinking i need two such racks so that i can have easy access to effect knobs and such. or maybe using one of the small, flat mixer racks to rack the electrix gear, since they all are short in depth and have performance oriented controls... what experiences have people had with the various brands of mixer racks that are available? > However, if you play out at all, or wish to be able to move the equipment > easily without tearing it down, you can't beat a mixer rack. Go for one > that's a bit more spacious than you currently need; you'll always find > *just one more piece* to put in there, and it's easier to buy one that can > accommodate than to replace the whole rack. The kind of rack where the > mixer can tilt up into position at the top of a regular rack is great > because you can leave everything hooked up. Instant setup. Carpeting and > wheels; durable and mobile. > > -t > > At 05:48 PM 9/5/01 -0700, you wrote: > >Any suggestions on efficient ways of racking, like are there > >mini-ErectorSetsT to build a custom stack ("plumber's tape"? :-) Like, > >how would you start racking in a small way? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 12:48:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16126; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 12:27:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 12:27:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9793C8.59940CB8@sigecom.net> Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 11:18:33 -0400 From: Scott Winzinger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: $54.00 for SimpleTech 64 Meg CFC. Is this good? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sams wholesale has these for $54.00. Has anyone found a better price? Scott From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 14:04:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22098; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 13:43:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 13:43:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 10:30:09 -0700 From: "Jan Pek" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: swirlee@angelfire.com X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: the power of limits X-Sender-Ip: 152.18.44.181 Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Lance, I think you've hit the nail on the head here. >I can't count how many time I have used the excuse "If >I only had X, Y, and Z...then I would be able to >create some great music." > >Instead of worrying about the limitations of our gear, >we should be fully exploiting them! Thanks for >"bringing it home." yes! creativity is a game of limits. the limits gently contain, incubating growth. the study of permaculture, and dozsa gorgy's great book 'the power of limits: proportional harmonies in nature, art, and architecture'... really bring this into view for me. talking with David Ziccarelli (MAXMSP) last year, he was relating to me a story of how he created a patch librarian for one of his old synths.. he spent a lot of time perfecting the librarian so he could create new patches and new combinations of old patches 'effortlessly'. when he was finally done with the thing, he had no inspiration left to create patches, and never used the thing... Matt Wright of CNMAT expressed similar sentiments to me once.... it seems like a delicate path. supposedly the Dalai Lama has a penchant for gizmos. the mind is so easily drawn to 'something else'.. but the irony is 'this is it! this is Really IT!' love -jan Get 250 color business cards for FREE! http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 14:26:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24422; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 14:04:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 14:04:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010906175216.94681.qmail@web12001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 10:52:16 -0700 (PDT) From: philip raath Subject: re:OT:fripp octave To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200109061641.MAA17353@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com for those who are into fripp, i just read on michael brook's site that the DAMAGE live album has been remixed and rereleased. apparently sylvian was not satisfied w/the original mix and wanted to remix it, but i don't know if he was actually involved in the new release. peace, phil ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 14:48:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25382; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 14:26:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 14:26:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: Re: Repeater as sampler Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 11:14:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Sep 2001 18:14:27.0541 (UTC) FILETIME=[C3F75050:01C136FF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh yes, and how does the pitch change work? Is it realtime, or only at the start of the loop? I.E. can I change the pitch of a loop as it plays, or only at the beginning of the loop? Does pitch bend work, or just note change? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 14:48:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25383; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 14:26:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 14:26:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <001601c136b7$eed16560$51cec22b@cambmaya04> Subject: Repeater as sampler Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 11:12:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Sep 2001 18:12:50.0235 (UTC) FILETIME=[89F798B0:01C136FF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'm still debating the pros and cons of adding a repeater to my rack now, or later. One thing I am hoping to use it for is as a playback device for loops and ambient tracks I have prepared in the studio. Would this work? Is anyone 'recycling' loops from one session to the next? Does transfer to and from the pc work? Thanks, sserendipity From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 15:05:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26383; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 14:45:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 14:45:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB7EE@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "Looper's Delight (E-mail)" Subject: RE: the power of limits Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 14:32:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C13702.4B934710" Resent-Message-ID: <7foRWB.A.PRG.EG8l7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C13702.4B934710 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" speaking of all this. someone had sent this along some time ago and i quite liked it. it seems appropriate now. "adapt yourself to the contents of the paintbox" - paul klee (that being said . . . anybody have a z vex fuzz factory they'd like to sell?) stig yes! creativity is a game of limits. the limits gently contain, incubating growth. the study of permaculture, and dozsa gorgy's great book 'the power of limits: proportional harmonies in nature, art, and architecture'... really bring this into view for me. . . . it seems like a delicate path. supposedly the Dalai Lama has a penchant for gizmos. the mind is so easily drawn to 'something else'.. but the irony is 'this is it! this is Really IT!' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C13702.4B934710 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: the power of limits

speaking of all this.

someone had sent this along some time ago and i quite = liked it.

it seems appropriate now.


"adapt yourself to the contents of the = paintbox"
- paul klee

(that being said . . . anybody have a z vex fuzz = factory they'd like to sell?)

stig



yes! creativity is a game of limits. the limits = gently contain, incubating growth. the study of permaculture, and dozsa = gorgy's great book 'the power of limits: proportional harmonies in = nature, art, and architecture'... really bring this into view for me. =

 . . .

it seems like a delicate path. supposedly the Dalai = Lama has a penchant for gizmos. the mind is so easily drawn to = 'something else'.. but the irony is 'this is it! this is Really = IT!'

------_=_NextPart_001_01C13702.4B934710-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 15:19:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27108; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 14:58:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 14:58:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010906110000.04545eb0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 11:44:33 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex Digital Pro Documentation Whining In-Reply-To: <28.1a2e4119.28c7d9e8@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:41 PM 9/5/2001, PaulPokr@aol.com wrote: >Secondly, I feel that there needs to be some sort of user’s guide >that provides examples of how to use the EDP in a cookbook manner. There >are snippets of this type of info in the Looper’s Delight archive >gleaned from the board’s messages but a more comprehensive grouping >of examples would be beneficial. be sure to check out the Looper's Delight Echoplex pages. there is some good "user guide" information there: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html There have been many, many good posts made to the list as well. If you do searches for a few keywords you are interested in, you will probably find them. (like echoplex;multiply for example.) I'll try to search some good posts out, compile them together, and put it up there on the site so you don't have to search for them in the archives as much. But also, this list is here for people to learn from each other. So if there is something you want to learn about, just ask! >Gibson/Trace-Elliot fortunately has reintroduced the EDP some time ago. I >don’t know what their sales figures are like but the device has some >serious competition in the Electrix Repeater. I think the EDP and the Repeater only compete in the minds of people who really don't understand either device. Depending on what you are doing with looping, one or the other is the obvious choice. But neither one of them is a replacement for the other. this has been real obvious lately on this list, where a lot of people have bought the Repeater clearly thinking it was something different from what it is. (the point Andre was trying to make and getting flamed for.) Those people then put up feature wish lists for the Repeater that make it evident what the really wanted was an Echoplex! If they had bought an EDP, they would have the features they want. The things the Repeater excels at don't appear to even be of interest to some of them, or are secondary. So why didn't they get an EDP? Probably this is also a case of poor documentation also. The echoplex could use some clearer explanations of what it does and the types of uses it excels at. That is rather lacking on the Echoplex page of Looper's Delight right now, so I'll try to add more. A good feature comparison chart is needed too. We have one that compares the Echoplex and the JamMan, but that was more relevant a few years ago. I'm planning to try to create something like this, and if anybody who owns both devices wants to help a bit I would appreciate it. >The lack of more thorough EDP documentation strikes me as a severe >drawback to the EDP. I sort of agree, and that is why I've put so much information about it on the LD site. But I also think people with this complaint are often still looking at loopers the way they look at a multi-effect box. Where a small instruction book tells you everything you need, and you just set it the way you want and go. But loopers are not passive devices like that. They are instruments that you play. You study them and learn them and practice with them and integrate it into your music as you would any instrument. You should not be surprised that it takes some time to become really good at using it. Think about it. When you buy a guitar, does it come with a book that gets you playing like Eddie Van Halen in one hour? of course not. It comes with a little piece of paper telling you how to set up the bridge. Learning to play it is something that you do, by finding others to teach you, copying what others do, sitting there with it for hours trying to figure it out, practicing. Many users have developed different techniques for how they use these looper instruments in their music. We have people here who are experts in the Echoplex and other devices, many of whom use these loopers in completely different ways. They've put time into developing these instruments and the techniques around them beyond what even the inventors originally thought of. Why not seek them out to teach you what they know? They will be better instructors than anybody working for any manufacturer, just as the best guitarists and guitar teachers are not employees of Gibson and Fender! And likewise, to the people out there who are skilled loopers, share your knowledge more! Be a teacher for others. Looping is a new enough thing that the idea of a looping teacher is kind of strange, but why not? People spend a lot of time here discussing minutiae of different devices and their feature sets, but how about more instruction on how you use those devices? >Also, there’s been talk off and on about a video tutorial for the >EDP. I think the device warrants this kind of learning tool. > >Gibson/Trace-Elliot must have invested a not insignificant sum when they >setup the manufacturing environment for the EDP. Maybe they should >consider allocating sufficient funds to address the documentation/user >training shortcomings of the EDP. Certainly they should. I guess the point I'm making is, it doesn't have to be them! There is a perfect opportunity here for some enterprising looper to develop their own course of study in looping. It could be a video, or an online class, whatever. Clearly the students are here waiting! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 15:47:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29406; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 15:26:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 15:26:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 12:06:58 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: the power of limits In-reply-to: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB7EE@migarexch01.maritz.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB7EE@migarexch01.maritz.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:32 PM -0400 9/6/01, Liebig, Steuart A. wrote: >"adapt yourself to the contents of the paintbox" >- paul klee Paul Klee's "Pedagogical Sketchbook" and two-volume "Notebooks" are wonderful resources for both visual artists and composers. The former volume is small and affordable; the latter set is large and expensive but probably can be found in a good library. Kandinsky's "Point and Line to Plane" is also a good reference. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 15:51:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29536; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 15:30:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 15:30:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B97CC12.AD3181C2@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 12:18:42 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater as sampler References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've yet to try this function, but I've got it synched to a Roland MC-307. The Roland has a large turntable style tempo/pitch control (you can chose either or both) and the Repeater chases the Roland PERFECTLY. It's very cool. Mark Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > Oh yes, and how does the pitch change work? Is it realtime, or only at the > start of the loop? I.E. can I change the pitch of a loop as it plays, or > only at the beginning of the loop? Does pitch bend work, or just note > change? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 16:36:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32319; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 16:14:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 16:14:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 16:02:34 -0400 From: David Kenzik To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater Impressions Message-ID: <20010906160234.T823@over.react.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I received my Repeater today. I wasn't on any waiting list or anything, so for those that still are, you shouldn't be. (I will refrain from a Nelson laugh.) My first impression is: way cool. I own two EDP's as well, and can see how the Repeater will compliment the EDP's, and vice versa. Unfortunately, my SimpleTech 128MB card won't format, so I'm stuck with the stock card until I can get my replacement. And unfortunately again, the stock card is not the fabled wrong-side-sticker CFC. However, the demos are pretty cool on the stock card. After formatting it, I'm sure I'll have enough sample time to really check this thing out. Hell, I might even push the limits and try out one of these IBM microdrives I have lying about. My second impression: my big toe hurts. The FS300 can be painful. My third impression: I need a midi controller (or the overdub needs to be switched out the back.) My midi controller needs to control the EDP's, the Repeater, and a POD Pro. Suggestions? I'm now going to hit the manual and learn all there is to read about this beast. It took me about 3 minutes to go from box to actually looping without the manual, so kudos to Electrix for the intuitive interface. Finally, I'm looking for feedback from any Repeater owners who also have a couple EDP's. I'd like to get some ideas as to how to setup the Repeater in my chain. Of course the 'chain' is currently dynamic, it's just in the patchbay, but routing suggestions are quite welcome. -- David S. Kenzik david@kenzik.com - http://kenzik.com Original Music - http://kenzik.com/music From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 16:39:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32483; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 16:18:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 16:18:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005201c1370f$7f7cb180$87dc1ad8@internet> From: "Gerry P" To: References: Subject: Re: Fripp's Octave Unit? Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 16:07:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004F_01C136ED.F7819BE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C136ED.F7819BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for all the input. Gerry ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C136ED.F7819BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for all the input.
Gerry
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C136ED.F7819BE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 18:24:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03360; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 18:01:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 18:01:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B97EF25.C0F8853D@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 14:48:22 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers Subject: Re: the power of limits References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I've got to say that I feel that it's more a balance game. To say that "If only I had..." and let that keep you from making music is basically procrastination. On the other hand, my JamMan allowed me to make a type of music that I wanted to make, but did not have the tool to do it effectively. Same thing goes for my computer. I made music on a four track cassette deck, but it was often a strain to get what I wanted, and always a compromise with quality. Was it wrong for me to lust after a decent hard drive recorder? I don't think so. Also, for me a big part of music comes from the exploration of technology. Always has. My first record purchase was the Beatles Magical Mystery Tour. My favorite cut? I Am The Walrus. My $60 electric guitar did not allow me to make sounds like that, so I dreamed, and slowly it became reality. There's nothing wrong with wanting more colors in your palette, unless it keeps you from doing anything. Mark Jan Pek wrote: > >Lance, I think you've hit the nail on the head here. > >I can't count how many time I have used the excuse "If > >I only had X, Y, and Z...then I would be able to > >create some great music." > > > >Instead of worrying about the limitations of our gear, > >we should be fully exploiting them! Thanks for > >"bringing it home." > > yes! creativity is a game of limits. the limits gently contain, incubating growth. the study of permaculture, and dozsa gorgy's great book 'the power of limits: proportional harmonies in nature, art, and architecture'... really bring this into view for me. > > talking with David Ziccarelli (MAXMSP) last year, he was relating to me a story of how he created a patch librarian for one of his old synths.. he spent a lot of time perfecting the librarian so he could create new patches and new combinations of old patches 'effortlessly'. when he was finally done with the thing, he had no inspiration left to create patches, and never used the thing... Matt Wright of CNMAT expressed similar sentiments to me once.... > > it seems like a delicate path. supposedly the Dalai Lama has a penchant for gizmos. the mind is so easily drawn to 'something else'.. but the irony is 'this is it! this is Really IT!' > > love > -jan > > Get 250 color business cards for FREE! > http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 00:00:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01638; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 16:54:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 16:54:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB7F3@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: the power of limits Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 16:12:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C13710.49357890" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C13710.49357890 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" as always, you know the source . . . >"adapt yourself to the contents of the paintbox" >- paul klee Paul Klee's "Pedagogical Sketchbook" and two-volume "Notebooks" are wonderful resources for both visual artists and composers. The former volume is small and affordable; the latter set is large and expensive but probably can be found in a good library. Kandinsky's "Point and Line to Plane" is also a good reference. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C13710.49357890 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: the power of limits

as always, you know the source  . . .



>"adapt yourself to the contents of the paintbox"
>- paul klee

Paul Klee's "Pedagogical Sketchbook" and two-volume "Notebooks" are
wonderful resources for both visual artists and composers. The former
volume is small and affordable; the latter set is large and expensive
but probably can be found in a good library. Kandinsky's "Point and
Line to Plane" is also a good reference.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C13710.49357890-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 00:00:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03587; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 20:05:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 20:05:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB7F9@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: the power of limits Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 18:41:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C13725.0A43AED0" Resent-Message-ID: <9l7HxB.A.HV.1xAm7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C13725.0A43AED0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well, I've got to say that I feel that it's more a balance game. To say that "If only I had..." and let that keep you from making music is basically procrastination. ** right. i think this is possibly the main point. i also like stravinski's idea of freedom being in a small box - - being hemmed in by a small amount of variables gave him artistic freedom. On the other hand, my JamMan allowed me to make a type of music that I wanted to make, but did not have the tool to do it effectively. Same thing goes for my computer. I made music on a four track cassette deck, but it was often a strain to get what I wanted, and always a compromise with quality. Was it wrong for me to lust after a decent hard drive recorder? I don't think so. Also, for me a big part of music comes from the exploration of technology. Always has. My first record purchase was the Beatles Magical Mystery Tour. My favorite cut? I Am The Walrus. My $60 electric guitar did not allow me to make sounds like that, so I dreamed, and slowly it became reality. There's nothing wrong with wanting more colors in your palette, unless it keeps you from doing anything. ** i'm pretty much with you on this, with the following exception: while i love gear, i also find it useful to just show up to a gig with nothing except a bass and an amp. it channels my energy differently - - and in a healthy way many times. i can learn a lot from that and then bring it over to the times that i use the mega-setup. it's all about the creativity, though, not the tools. i believe it's healthy to exercise different creative muscles at different times, keeps me on my toes. sometimes a line drawing says more to me than an oil painting, they'e both valuable and have their time. sl ------_=_NextPart_001_01C13725.0A43AED0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: the power of limits

Well, I've got to say that I feel that it's more a = balance game.  To say that "If only I had..." and let = that keep you from making music is basically procrastination.  =


** right. i think this is possibly the main point. i = also like stravinski's idea of freedom being in a small box  - - = being hemmed in by a small amount of variables gave him artistic = freedom.


On the other hand, my JamMan allowed me to make a = type of music that I wanted to make, but did not have the tool to do it = effectively.  Same thing goes for my computer.  I made music = on a four track cassette deck, but it was often a strain to get what I = wanted, and always a compromise

with quality.  Was it wrong for me to lust after = a decent hard drive recorder?  I don't think so.  Also, for = me a big part of music comes from the exploration of technology.  = Always has.  My first record purchase was the Beatles Magical = Mystery Tour.  My favorite cut?  I Am The Walrus.  My = $60 electric guitar did not allow me to make sounds like that, so I = dreamed, and slowly it became reality.  There's nothing wrong with = wanting more colors in your

palette, unless it keeps you from doing = anything.

** i'm pretty much with you on this, with the = following exception: while i love gear, i also find it useful to just = show up to a gig with nothing except a bass and an amp. it channels my = energy differently - - and in a healthy way many times. i can learn a = lot from that and then bring it over to the times that i use the = mega-setup. it's all about the creativity, though, not the tools. i = believe it's healthy to exercise different creative muscles at = different times, keeps me on my toes. sometimes a line drawing says = more to me than an oil painting, they'e both valuable and have their = time.

sl

------_=_NextPart_001_01C13725.0A43AED0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 00:00:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04935; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 18:37:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 18:37:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: Looping pads and ambient sounds Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 17:34:07 -0500 Message-ID: <014901c13724$0a2b8860$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <3B97EF25.C0F8853D@zerocrossing.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What is the best way to get a clean loop when working with pads and ambient sounds so that a bump isn't created at the end where a noticeable transition happens each time the loop repeats? Thanks, Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 00:59:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA15845; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 00:37:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 00:37:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004001c13754$ca7aa3a0$5a416f40@oemcomputer> From: "petr" To: "jim palmer" , References: <005a01c136ee$7e4d0e20$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: Racks (Re: Yet another beginner..) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 22:22:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <5HjWSC.A.urD.VwEm7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am using Samson PL 1602 two U 16 chanel (8stereo) rack mixer, and am quite happy with it. It has two aux, I am using one for global reverb and the other for EDP. I have everything for gigging out in one 10 U SKB case, and the rest for recording in the other one. Interconnections easy with patchbays. petr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 01:03:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA16077; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 00:42:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 00:42:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: giuseppe_poteet@worldnet.att.net User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 21:24:30 -0700 Subject: Re: Looping pads and ambient sounds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <014901c13724$0a2b8860$6501a8c0@stevespc> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4tDOBD.A.LvD.c1Em7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 9/6/01 3:34 PM, M. Steven Ginn at sginn@airmail.net wrote: I recently asked a similar question, & I think this is how it goes: The best solution is a cross fade. If that's not an option, you have to try to find "matching" points in your loop to make the start & end. Silence (or close to it) is obviously the best choice for your loop points. But patience & perseverance(both of which I often don't have enough of) might lead you to find other suitable loop points in your material. > What is the best way to get a clean loop when working with pads and > ambient sounds so that a bump isn't created at the end where a > noticeable transition happens each time the loop repeats? > > Thanks, > Steve > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 01:35:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA18778; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 01:12:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 01:12:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Looping pads and ambient sounds Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 22:01:57 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <5x3xxD.A.CdE.xSFm7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I find that ending a loop on the Echoplex with overdub usually does the trick Gary > What is the best way to get a clean loop when working with pads and > ambient sounds so that a bump isn't created at the end where a > noticeable transition happens each time the loop repeats? > > Thanks, > Steve > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 02:08:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA20441; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 01:45:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 01:45:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 22:34:49 -0700 Subject: Re: Looping pads and ambient sounds From: Mark Sottilaro To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 9/6/01 9:24 PM, giuseppe_poteet@worldnet.att.net at giuseppe_poteet@worldnet.att.net wrote: > on 9/6/01 3:34 PM, M. Steven Ginn at sginn@airmail.net wrote: > > I recently asked a similar question, & I think this is how it goes: > The best solution is a cross fade. If that's not an option, > you have to try to find "matching" points in your loop to make > the start & end. Silence (or close to it) is obviously the > best choice for your loop points. But patience & perseverance(both of which > I often don't have enough of) might lead you to find other suitable loop > points in your material. > > >> What is the best way to get a clean loop when working with pads and >> ambient sounds so that a bump isn't created at the end where a >> noticeable transition happens each time the loop repeats? >> >> Thanks, >> Steve >> > With the JamMan and the Repeater, I have to "prime" the loop, by basically recording a blank loop first, then putting the loop back in record. For the inverse, I'll play a very sustainy sound and toggle the loop in and out of record for a nice chaotic feel. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 02:12:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA20637; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 01:49:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 01:49:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 22:38:23 -0700 Subject: Re: the power of limits From: Mark Sottilaro To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB7F9@migarexch01.maritz.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3082660703_40445_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <1U2hMD.A.W4E.y0Fm7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3082660703_40445_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 9/6/01 3:41 PM, Liebig, Steuart A. at Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com wrote: while i love gear, i also find it useful to just show up to a gig with nothing except a bass and an amp. it channels my energy differently - - and in a healthy way many times. Oh yeah, it's plenty healthy... for your back! I should have become a singer! --MS_Mac_OE_3082660703_40445_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: the power of limits on 9/6/01 3:41 PM, Liebig, Steuart A. at Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com wrote:


while i love gear, i also find it useful to just show up to = a gig with nothing except a bass and an amp. it channels my energy different= ly - - and in a healthy way many times.

Oh yeah, it's plenty healthy... for your back!  I should have become a= singer!
--MS_Mac_OE_3082660703_40445_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 02:36:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA22770; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 02:12:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 02:12:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004101c13762$44160120$de4528d5@a123456789> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <014901c13724$0a2b8860$6501a8c0@stevespc> Subject: Re: Looping pads and ambient sounds - VX pocket Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 06:59:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <3fjwFB.A.idF.7KGm7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you use a delay with feedback you won't notice a bump wheres a straight loop is more likely to be problematical. I the person who was flogging the VX pocket still doing so ? Gareth > What is the best way to get a clean loop when working with pads and > ambient sounds so that a bump isn't created at the end where a > noticeable transition happens each time the loop repeats? > > Thanks, > Steve > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 04:21:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA20991; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 01:53:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 01:53:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010907054927.3083.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 22:49:27 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Peavey PC-1600x in a rack case? To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <-dtwTB.A.VCF.o_Fm7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would like to put my PC-1600x on a sliding rack shelf. So far the only one I've found with the proper shelf width is the heavy duty one from Middle Atlantic. Aside from the cost($79), my only gripe with this option is that the shelf alone takes up over one rack space. I'm wondering if any of you PC-1600x users have come up with something better. Many thanks. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 04:52:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA28656; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 04:30:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 04:30:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 04:18:51 EDT Subject: Re: the power of limits To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I like the approach of taking what gear (or compositional techniques) you have and just getting on with making music, most of the time I work in that way. Sometimes, however, the sound/structure I want just occurs in my head, for no particular reason. It then becomes a matter of seeking out the 'gear' I need if I ever want to hear the result. Once I'd tried out the simplest looping boxes (a sampling delay stompbox, probably by Boss) I started to want the 'recording studio live' scenario. The setup I have now allows me to do that, (but of course I now get sidetracked into the other possibilities on offer. ) I guess there's 2 types of creativity involved here, for instance I can spend a whole evening creating a patch(morph) for the Lexicon Vortex, trying out stuff fairly analytically and looking through the manual. Then later I can dial up that patch and make music, and by responding to what I hear I can often find possibilities in the patch that i hadn't designed for. The first process here isn't usually as gratifying as the second, all the setting up can be a bit tedious. The part I really enjoy is getting to respond to, and play with the new sounds. So maybe there's:- Working to extend the limits, which can be a somewhat dry intellectual experience. and Working within the limits, which is more immediate (and fun). just ideas (please pull apart) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 05:47:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA30870; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 05:24:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 05:24:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: mark.red@involvelearning.com Subject: Re: the power of limits To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.4 June 8, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 11:11:27 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on mail/External/InvolveLearning(Release 5.0.3 (Intl)|21 March 2000) at 09/07/2001 11:34:41 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <_jFcW.A.XeH.6-Im7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is exactly how I do things,too, I have gear/tech evenings, programming my gr30, ms2000 (great for mangling loops) and vortex tweaking, then I have nights where I forget all that, and play. often I bring up a git synth patch that I know Ive worked on recently but forgotten what it is and tentativly bring it into what Im doing, sometimes it doesnt work, but its great when it does.!!! IF you dont get tech probs, Andy, As the Vortex guy, I seem to have developed some weird stuff with mine, namely fave old patches have mysteriously changed, volume of loops have dropped, doesnt respond to changes. I used to have a thing where things like this would happen and a switch off and on normally did the trick, now it seems to be permanent.!!! Any regular/known problems with Vortex that I can fix myself, (cleaning soldering wiggling of components etc???) Mark (still no repeaters in Norway yet) Red SoundFNR@aol. com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com cc: 07/09/2001 Subject: Re: the power of limits 10:18 Please respond to Loopers-Delig ht I like the approach of taking what gear (or compositional techniques) you have and just getting on with making music, most of the time I work in that way. Sometimes, however, the sound/structure I want just occurs in my head, for no particular reason. It then becomes a matter of seeking out the 'gear' I need if I ever want to hear the result. Once I'd tried out the simplest looping boxes (a sampling delay stompbox, probably by Boss) I started to want the 'recording studio live' scenario. The setup I have now allows me to do that, (but of course I now get sidetracked into the other possibilities on offer. ) I guess there's 2 types of creativity involved here, for instance I can spend a whole evening creating a patch(morph) for the Lexicon Vortex, trying out stuff fairly analytically and looking through the manual. Then later I can dial up that patch and make music, and by responding to what I hear I can often find possibilities in the patch that i hadn't designed for. The first process here isn't usually as gratifying as the second, all the setting up can be a bit tedious. The part I really enjoy is getting to respond to, and play with the new sounds. So maybe there's:- Working to extend the limits, which can be a somewhat dry intellectual experience. and Working within the limits, which is more immediate (and fun). just ideas (please pull apart) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 09:03:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA07323; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 08:41:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 08:41:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Looping pads and ambient sounds Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 07:28:44 -0500 Message-ID: <002101c13798$a2dd3fd0$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com But how do you look for matching points in the middle of a live gig when you are trying to lay down the sound? Steve > > I recently asked a similar question, & I think this is how it > goes: The best solution is a cross fade. If that's not an > option, you have to try to find "matching" points in your > loop to make the start & end. Silence (or close to it) is > obviously the best choice for your loop points. But patience > & perseverance(both of which I often don't have enough of) > might lead you to find other suitable loop points in your material. > > > > What is the best way to get a clean loop when working with pads and > > ambient sounds so that a bump isn't created at the end where a > > noticeable transition happens each time the loop repeats? > > > > Thanks, > > Steve > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 09:04:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA07483; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 08:43:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 08:43:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Looping pads and ambient sounds Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 07:30:27 -0500 Message-ID: <002201c13798$e053ceb0$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So then if you end it with overdub, it essentially keeps recording, right? Do you just let it continue to record silence? Steve > > I find that ending a loop on the Echoplex with overdub > usually does the trick Gary > > What is the best way to get a clean loop when working with pads and > > ambient sounds so that a bump isn't created at the end where a > > noticeable transition happens each time the loop repeats? > > > > Thanks, > > Steve > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 09:14:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA07789; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 08:53:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 08:53:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Looping pads and ambient sounds - VX pocket Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 07:40:41 -0500 Message-ID: <002401c1379a$4e17abf0$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <004101c13762$44160120$de4528d5@a123456789> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think this would work for some sounds but for ambient sounds that sort emulate the atmosphere, it needs to be fairly pure. One thought I had was to just start a sound like this with a midi pedal like the PMC10 where I send a note for a chord and let it play. But then I would have the difficulty of having that sound continually added to the loop with each pass. Steve > > If you use a delay with feedback you won't notice a bump > wheres a straight loop is more likely to be problematical. I > the person who was flogging the VX pocket still doing so ? > > Gareth > > > > What is the best way to get a clean loop when working with pads and > > ambient sounds so that a bump isn't created at the end where a > > noticeable transition happens each time the loop repeats? > > > > Thanks, > > Steve > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 09:20:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA07971; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 08:58:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 08:58:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Looping pads and ambient sounds Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 07:45:41 -0500 Message-ID: <002501c1379b$00ae3540$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Do you mean lay down a blank loop without any sound at all for however many bars the final loop will be and then recording another loop on top of it? Steve > > With the JamMan and the Repeater, I have to "prime" the loop, > by basically recording a blank loop first, then putting the > loop back in record. For the inverse, I'll play a very > sustainy sound and toggle the loop in and out of record for a > nice chaotic feel. > > Mark Sottilaro > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 10:06:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10839; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 09:43:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 09:43:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009101c137a2$0c2893a0$f4924e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: Looping pads and ambient sounds Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 09:36:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stephen wrote: >So then if you end it with overdub, it essentially keeps recording, >right? Do you just let it continue to record silence? On the EDP when ending "record" with overdub it does add another layer over what you've just recorded. This usually produces a fairly seamless loop of a drone or ambient pad. At this point you have several options. You can continue overdubbing for a more richly textured loop. Or you can gradually decease the input to fade down after the loop has been closed, then disengage the overdub function. Or you could simply press overdub a second time to stop the overdubbing after the loop has been closed. Keeping overdub on to record "silence" may wind up adding some unwanted noise to the loop. James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 10:55:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13777; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 10:32:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 10:32:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 09:22:55 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: repeater/mofx synch To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <007f01c137a8$966724e0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <014f01c13557$5e1f48e0$080210ac@jpalmer> Resent-Message-ID: <9HRhN.A.ZRD.FfNm7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com comon, i know several of you have both repeater and mofx. has anyone synched them? if not can you try it and tell me the results? hook a brother up... > > has anybody tried synching repeater and mofx? > i tried it this weekend with the mofx slaved to the > repeater and it seems to be having quite a bit of > trouble keeping synch. the main problem is delay. > it quite frequently (several times per measure) has to readjust > to stay synched causing all kinds of weird bent-pitch artifacts. > i like weird, but i also like to use synchronized delay without > the weirdness. > > i was unable to get the repeater to synch to the mofx > though that would be much less desirable, even if it worked... > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 11:56:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17049; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 11:33:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 11:33:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: repeater/mofx synch Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 08:15:34 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <007f01c137a8$966724e0$080210ac@jpalmer> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <3HAqpB.A.lBE.VXOm7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't know if this helps, but I sync both of them to a third instrument's midi clock, in my case an ER-1. This has worked without a hitch. I see no reason at this point to have to use the Repeater as a master clock, since it syncs (and changes tempo) with the drum machine, as does the mofx. neil > -----Original Message----- > From: jim palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 7:23 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: repeater/mofx synch > > > comon, i know several of you have both repeater and mofx. > has anyone synched them? > if not can you try it and tell me the results? > hook a brother up... > > > > > > has anybody tried synching repeater and mofx? > > i tried it this weekend with the mofx slaved to the > > repeater and it seems to be having quite a bit of > > trouble keeping synch. the main problem is delay. > > it quite frequently (several times per measure) has to readjust > > to stay synched causing all kinds of weird bent-pitch artifacts. > > i like weird, but i also like to use synchronized delay without > > the weirdness. > > > > i was unable to get the repeater to synch to the mofx > > though that would be much less desirable, even if it worked... > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 11:56:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17059; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 11:33:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 11:33:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <007f01c137a8$966724e0$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <014f01c13557$5e1f48e0$080210ac@jpalmer> <007f01c137a8$966724e0$080210ac@jpalmer> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 08:01:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: repeater/mofx synch Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com electrix had mofx and filter factory hooked up to the repeater they were demo'ing at at the l.a. namm show this last january, with fantastic results. and that was just with the partially functional unit. i can only imagine it's as good or better implemented now. rich >comon, i know several of you have both repeater and mofx. >has anyone synched them? >if not can you try it and tell me the results? >hook a brother up... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 12:39:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21953; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 12:16:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 12:16:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB7FB@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: the power of limits Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 12:02:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C137B6.7D933720" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C137B6.7D933720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" while i love gear, i also find it useful to just show up to a gig with nothing except a bass and an amp. it channels my energy differently - - and in a healthy way many times. Oh yeah, it's plenty healthy... for your back! I should have become a singer! ** touche. sl ------_=_NextPart_001_01C137B6.7D933720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Re: the power of limits
while i love gear, i also find it useful to just show up to a gig with nothing except a bass and an amp. it channels my energy differently - - and in a healthy way many times.

Oh yeah, it's plenty healthy... for your back!  I should have become a singer! 
 
** touche.
 
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C137B6.7D933720-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 12:45:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22317; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 12:22:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 12:22:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 11:13:03 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: repeater/mofx synch To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00b901c137b7$f8f76430$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i don't have a drum machine, but i will try synching mofx to a sequencer on my pc... have you synched the delay on mofx and listened for pitch changes? i'm wondering if i have a defective mofx... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 10:15 AM Subject: RE: repeater/mofx synch > I don't know if this helps, but I sync both of them to a third instrument's > midi clock, in my case an ER-1. This has worked without a hitch. I see no > reason at this point to have to use the Repeater as a master clock, since it > syncs (and changes tempo) with the drum machine, as does the mofx. > > neil > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jim palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] > > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 7:23 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: repeater/mofx synch > > > > > > comon, i know several of you have both repeater and mofx. > > has anyone synched them? > > if not can you try it and tell me the results? > > hook a brother up... > > > > > > > > > > has anybody tried synching repeater and mofx? > > > i tried it this weekend with the mofx slaved to the > > > repeater and it seems to be having quite a bit of > > > trouble keeping synch. the main problem is delay. > > > it quite frequently (several times per measure) has to readjust > > > to stay synched causing all kinds of weird bent-pitch artifacts. > > > i like weird, but i also like to use synchronized delay without > > > the weirdness. > > > > > > i was unable to get the repeater to synch to the mofx > > > though that would be much less desirable, even if it worked... > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 12:56:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22998; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 12:33:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 12:33:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 09:21:56 -0700 From: "Miko Biffle" To: Subject: Re: the power of limits Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA22282 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steuart wrote... ** while i love gear, i also find it useful to just show up to a gig with nothing except a bass and an amp. it channels my energy differently - - and in a healthy way many times. That last 'healthy' comment really rings for me as well. It's amazing how versatile you become when you aren't distracted by a pile of gear and just listen and react. The simplicity is very appealing... > Oh yeah, it's plenty healthy... for your back! I should have become a singer! I recently acquired a funky old tube amp (Alamo 2570) after having done the direct-inject thing for years, and found myself ignoring a fairly new Lexicon PCM80 in favor of a pedal board and amp. It's been really fun just going out to play with that setup, although I'm probably going to put the EDP and PCM80 in a two space rack bag to take along sometimes as well. Miko Biffle - Miko.Biffle@asml.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 13:03:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23391; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 12:41:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 12:41:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Jamie Drouin (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: repeater/mofx synch Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 09:28:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <3TCbU.A.qjF.hWPm7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Press and hold the "Tap Tempo" on Mo-FX to sync it up with Repeater's MIDI clock. That should do the trick. Best, Jamie. Jamie Drouin Visual Designer Electrix/IVL Technologies Ltd 6710 Bertram Place, Victoria, BC, V8M 1Z6 Canada email... jamie@electrixpro.com fax... 250-544-4102 voice... 250-544-4114 > ---------- > From: jim palmer > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Friday, September 7, 2001 9:13 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: repeater/mofx synch > > i don't have a drum machine, > but i will try synching mofx to a sequencer on my pc... > have you synched the delay on mofx and listened for pitch changes? > i'm wondering if i have a defective mofx... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Neil Goldstein" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 10:15 AM > Subject: RE: repeater/mofx synch > > > > I don't know if this helps, but I sync both of them to a third > instrument's > > midi clock, in my case an ER-1. This has worked without a hitch. I see > no > > reason at this point to have to use the Repeater as a master clock, > since it > > syncs (and changes tempo) with the drum machine, as does the mofx. > > > > neil > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: jim palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] > > > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 7:23 AM > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Subject: Re: repeater/mofx synch > > > > > > > > > comon, i know several of you have both repeater and mofx. > > > has anyone synched them? > > > if not can you try it and tell me the results? > > > hook a brother up... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has anybody tried synching repeater and mofx? > > > > i tried it this weekend with the mofx slaved to the > > > > repeater and it seems to be having quite a bit of > > > > trouble keeping synch. the main problem is delay. > > > > it quite frequently (several times per measure) has to readjust > > > > to stay synched causing all kinds of weird bent-pitch artifacts. > > > > i like weird, but i also like to use synchronized delay without > > > > the weirdness. > > > > > > > > i was unable to get the repeater to synch to the mofx > > > > though that would be much less desirable, even if it worked... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 13:04:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23466; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 12:42:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 12:42:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 09:35:38 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: Looping pads and ambient sounds Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve- On the good ol' EDP, I think one of the best ways to do this is to end your loop recording by going directly to overdub, allowing the ambience/decay to "blur" over the initial loop boundary. With Repeater, you'll need to start with a blank loop already set up, as Repeater doesn't currently allow you to end record with overdub. Best- Mark >What is the best way to get a clean loop when working with pads and >ambient sounds so that a bump isn't created at the end where a >noticeable transition happens each time the loop repeats? > >Thanks, >Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 13:11:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23814; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 12:49:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 12:49:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 09:43:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: RE: Looping pads and ambient sounds Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve- It isn't necessary (or even desirable) to let the EDP keep recording "silence", just switch out of overdub a beat or so after your input sound has died down. This is one of those things that's harder to explain than do, if you set up a nice ambient "guitar delay chorus ebow etc." type of sound, and layer in your pads in the described method of not abruptly cutting off the sound on the downbeat, you'll find you'll get pretty muchly "bumpless" pads with ease. Try it! Best- Mark >So then if you end it with overdub, it essentially keeps recording, >right? Do you just let it continue to record silence? > >Steve > >> >> I find that ending a loop on the Echoplex with overdub >> usually does the trick Gary >> > What is the best way to get a clean loop when working with pads and >> > ambient sounds so that a bump isn't created at the end where a >> > noticeable transition happens each time the loop repeats? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Steve >> > >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 13:18:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24029; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 12:55:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 12:55:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 09:49:21 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: RE: Looping pads and ambient sounds Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve- yeah, that's exactly what Mark means, but you're not really recording another loop on top, you're just adding audio to your pre-defined loop. This "pre-defined" loop doesn't have to have audio in it, as a matter of fact, for this purpose it's better for it to be silent. There are two concepts here, one is setting the loop time or boundary. This doesn't necessarily require audio input, it's just a way of setting the duration of your loop cycle. The second is overdubbing audio on top of this, and purposefully droning right over those loop boundaries to create a seamless sound. Best- One of the other Marks... >Do you mean lay down a blank loop without any sound at all for however >many bars the final loop will be and then recording another loop on top >of it? > >Steve > >> >> With the JamMan and the Repeater, I have to "prime" the loop, >> by basically recording a blank loop first, then putting the >> loop back in record. For the inverse, I'll play a very >> sustainy sound and toggle the loop in and out of record for a >> nice chaotic feel. >> >> Mark Sottilaro >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 13:56:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26706; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 13:34:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 13:34:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010907100538.0442b638@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 10:20:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looping pads and ambient sounds In-Reply-To: <009101c137a2$0c2893a0$f4924e0c@u73x0> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:36 AM 9/7/2001, James Pokorny wrote: >Stephen wrote: > >So then if you end it with overdub, it essentially keeps recording, > >right? Do you just let it continue to record silence? > >On the EDP when ending "record" with overdub it does add another layer over >what you've just recorded. This usually produces a fairly seamless loop of >a drone or ambient pad. At this point you have several options. You can >continue overdubbing for a more richly textured loop. Or you can gradually >decease the input to fade down after the loop has been closed, then >disengage the overdub function. Or you could simply press overdub a second >time to stop the overdubbing after the loop has been closed. This is definitely the best way. The EDP handles this very nicely because it allows you to end record by going immediately into any other function you want. So by ending the loop record with Overdub or Multiply you can easily get this smooth transition while playing live, and you are in control of the results. No need to be "priming" loops or editing loop points or anything like that. Those things are not practical live. Going directly into multiply is also incredibly handy for building interesting textures with different layers of different lengths. Most other loopers require that you stop Record first and then engage another function, which is not very friendly for live playing. This sort of direct function access is why people like the EDP so much for live playing. The Echoplex also helps you further because it automatically does a quick crossfade when you end the loop. So if you are playing a sound at the end of the loop, it will have a very quick crossfade into the beginning of the loop. This is very short, so you won't even notice it, however it eliminates the pops and clicks that most other loopers give when you are still playing a sound at the point where record or overdub is ended. No other looper does that either. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 14:23:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29160; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 14:00:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 14:00:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB805@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: the power of limits Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 13:47:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C137C5.300196A0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C137C5.300196A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" So maybe there's:- Working to extend the limits, which can be a somewhat dry intellectual experience. ** i tend to view practice (or writing) as the main extending of limits situation(s). sometimes this includes getting the pedals to do stuff that i haven't thought of before. Working within the limits, which is more immediate (and fun). ** always creating new limits, no? sometimes it happens on the gig . . . to me it's about putting your mind in a place where it has the tools to effectively respond to new information/ideas and then take the tools at hand and twist them to the problem at hand. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C137C5.300196A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: the power of limits

So maybe there's:-
Working to extend the limits, which can be a = somewhat dry intellectual
experience.

** i tend to view practice (or writing) as the main = extending of limits situation(s). sometimes this includes getting the = pedals to do stuff that i haven't thought of before.


Working within the limits, which is more immediate = (and fun).

**  always creating new limits, no? sometimes it = happens on the gig . . . to me it's about putting your mind in a place = where it has the tools to effectively respond to new information/ideas = and then take the tools at hand and twist them to the problem at = hand.


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------_=_NextPart_001_01C137C5.300196A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 14:37:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29869; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 14:15:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 14:15:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 13:05:38 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: repeater/mofx synch To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00c901c137c7$b3343fd0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i have done that. it is synching, it just seems to have a lot of trouble keeping steady while synching, so the delay rate regularly has to change, causing weird pitch shifts. > Press and hold the "Tap Tempo" on Mo-FX to sync it up with Repeater's MIDI > clock. That should do the trick. > > Best, > Jamie. > > > > > > > has anybody tried synching repeater and mofx? > > i tried it this weekend with the mofx slaved to the > > repeater and it seems to be having quite a bit of > > trouble keeping synch. the main problem is delay. > > it quite frequently (several times per measure) has to readjust > > to stay synched causing all kinds of weird bent-pitch artifacts. > > i like weird, but i also like to use synchronized delay without > > the weirdness. > > > > i was unable to get the repeater to synch to the mofx > > though that would be much less desirable, even if it worked... > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 14:43:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30125; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 14:19:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 14:19:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: call for entries To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.6 Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 14:12:24 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com www.magicicada.com please check out the projects page www.coldpart.com open submission always From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 15:08:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31391; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 14:47:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 14:47:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010907183448.53687.qmail@web12007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 11:34:48 -0700 (PDT) From: philip raath Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #511 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200109071703.NAA25461@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com something else to consider w/ambient loops is that it is often extremely important to keep playing as you close the loop. i.e., if yer playing a four chord pattern, you need to return to the 1st as you close the loop. maybe you've already been doing this, i don't mean to underestimate you. it's a little thing, but it was a major step for me when i first figured that out. take care, phil ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 15:32:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01008; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 15:10:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 15:10:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000401c137ce$a519b2c0$2c0a5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #233 Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 14:54:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed with a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #233 September 6, 2001. RECAP: On this show, I began a month-long focus on Pete Namlook (Pete Kuhlmann), the owner of FAX records and ambient musician. The feature CD at midnight was "Possible Gardens" by Pete Namlook and Peter Prochir and released on the FAX label. The vinyl show starter is now a new feature of the show, a leftover from WDIY's Salute to Records. I also played the music of Jim Cole's Spectral Voices and Tom Heasley in support of their upcoming concert at the Gathering. Pete Namlook http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2001/focus01.html#sep Gathering http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Klaus Schulze Bellistique Live (Brain) Erik Wollo Beginning Wind Journey (Spotted Peccary) Erik Wollo Wind Journey 1 Wind Journey (Spotted Peccary) Thom Brennan Green River Passage Mountains (mp3.com) Brannan Lane Emergence Part 1 Sleep Cycle (brannanlane.com) Brannan Lane Emergence Part 2 Sleep Cycle (brannanlane.com) Alpha Wave Movement & Theidea Bislama (Spectral Spiral) Jim Cole eM Starswarm All the Stars Burning Bright (Hypnos/Foundry) Tom Heasley Where the Earth Meets Where the Earth Meets the Sky the Sky * (Hypnos) 12:00 am Namlook & Prochir Possible Gardens Possible Gardens (FAX) Namlook & Prochir Breeding Machine Possible Gardens (FAX) Namlook & Prochir Terminal Beach Possible Gardens (FAX) Namlook & Prochir Memory Lagoon Possible Gardens (FAX) Namlook & Prochir Possible Gardens Possible Gardens (FAX) (reprise) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Pete Namlook. The feature CD at midnight will be "Shades of Orion" on the FAX label with Tetsue Inoue. I will play the music of Tom Heasley (tuba, loops, processing) and Jim Cole's Spectral Voices (harmonic singing) in support of their upcoming concert at the Gathering in Philadelphia. Next week's vinyl show starter will be by Fripp and Eno. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, send email to: emusic-wdiy-subscribe@yahoogroups.com or go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 16:20:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03811; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 15:58:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 15:58:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: Subject: For sale: binaural microphone pair, Sony D-8 Datman, Lee Jackson XL1000. Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 12:45:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Sep 2001 19:45:02.0974 (UTC) FILETIME=[962651E0:01C137D5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Following up on the recent discussion on portable recorders, and binaural microphone sets, I have a custom-built binaural mic that I'd like to sell. I'm afriad I don't know what mic elements were used, though they are pro quality - it's very nice sounding; it's on the same level as studio mics I'm used to working with. If anyone is interested, I'll record some stuff through it on and post it somewhere. I'm looking to get about $200 for it, or best offer. Will trade for repeater :> Also, I'm still looking for a home for my Sony D-8 datman. http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/consumer/ss5/car/cassettewalkmanrtm/recordingdat walkmanrtm/tcd-d8_specs.shtml It cost $650 new. I'd like to get $250 or so for it, plus shipping. I can also throw in a ton of unused DAT tapes. Finally, completely unrelated but also in the 'find a new home' category. http://www.harmony-central.com/Guitar/Data/Lee_Jackson/XLA_1000-01.html It seems to be going for around $300 according to the harmony-central database. There are some reviews: It weighs about 150lbs, so shipping will be a little hefty outside the local area, though not prohibitive. I'm in south san francisco bay, if you would like to try it out. Thanks, Jonathan El-Bizri 415.706.7376 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 17:16:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07930; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 16:53:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 16:53:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010907163635.04d5ce28@pop1.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 16:40:09 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: I got my REPAIR! In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <8083FC.A.ivB.QDTm7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com fellow loopers. i got my REPAIR today! its in my rack at home and i am looking forward do doing things i had planned to do 6 months ago when i first ordered it. oh. i mean REPEATER. ironically, i am in canada: i purchased it from a US distributor that ship it up here via FedEx. canada customs mis-read the documents and somehow confused REPEATER with REPAIR, sending the customs clearance into some never-ending spiral. it took many calls to clear this up and find the error but in order to get the toy today i had to drive out to YYZ to pick it up myself. i grind to say the least. at least i will get my shipping charges refunded. more on the REPAIR later. plexus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 17:18:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08093; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 16:56:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 16:56:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006d01c137dd$981caa00$ac456f40@oemcomputer> From: "petr" To: "Mark Sottilaro" , References: Subject: No loop end transition on Repeater? (was Looping pads and ambient sounds) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 14:42:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > With the JamMan and the Repeater, I have to "prime" the loop, by basically > recording a blank loop first, then putting the loop back in record. *** Are you saying that with the Repeater you cannot end the loop without going directly into overdub, in some way? Having to make a blank loop first -- this I would consider a SERIOUS flaw at a looper. With my EDP I end the loop with overdub (smooth transitions) all the time. Making a blank loop would be a big obstacle in free improvs. If Repeater should not be able to do this, I would most likely not consider buing it and would get another EDP instead. petr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 17:28:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09740; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 17:06:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 17:06:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B993417.BC67F66D@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 13:54:36 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers Subject: Re: No loop end transition on Repeater? (was Looping pads and ambient sounds) References: <006d01c137dd$981caa00$ac456f40@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0-rVa.A.o9B.nQTm7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Then I hope you enjoy your 2nd EDP, as the Repeater WILL NOT end a loop by going into an overdub. I'm hoping it will in future software updates. Because the memory isn't volatile, as it is on the EDP, you can actually record your blank loops far in advance of the performance, and later synch them via midi. That's how I'm working around this problem. Mark petr wrote: > > With the JamMan and the Repeater, I have to "prime" the loop, by > basically > > recording a blank loop first, then putting the loop back in record. > > *** Are you saying that with the Repeater you cannot end the loop > without going directly into overdub, in some way? Having to make a > blank loop first -- this I would consider a SERIOUS flaw at a looper. > With my EDP I end the loop with overdub (smooth transitions) all the > time. Making a blank loop would be a big obstacle in free improvs. > If Repeater should not be able to do this, I would most likely not > consider buing it and would get another EDP instead. > > petr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 17:35:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10119; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 17:14:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 17:14:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <12c.452981c.28ca8f85@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 17:00:53 EDT Subject: Re: the power of limits To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12c.452981c.28ca8f85_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_12c.452981c.28ca8f85_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit miko.....are you and steuart showing up at this "gig" as solo players or are you playing with others using these simplified "healthy" set-ups?.....:)m --part1_12c.452981c.28ca8f85_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit miko.....are you and steuart showing up at this "gig" as solo players or are
you playing with others using these simplified "healthy" set-ups?.....:)m --part1_12c.452981c.28ca8f85_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 17:36:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10132; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 17:14:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 17:14:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <139.1541c87.28ca9033@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 17:03:47 EDT Subject: Re: Looping pads and ambient sounds To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_139.1541c87.28ca9033_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_139.1541c87.28ca9033_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/7/01 12:34:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, landman@wco.com writes: > On the good ol' EDP, I think one of the best ways to do this is to end your > this also works on the rang+, a nice added feature.....:)m --part1_139.1541c87.28ca9033_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/7/01 12:34:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, landman@wco.com
writes:


On the good ol' EDP, I think one of the best ways to do this is to end your
loop recording by going directly to overdub


this also works on the rang+, a nice added feature.....:)m --part1_139.1541c87.28ca9033_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 17:40:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10310; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 17:18:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 17:18:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010907210517.38694.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 14:05:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Subject: Re: Peavey PC-1600x in a rack case? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20010907054927.3083.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <2wah5.A.7WC.OaTm7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have my pc-1600x and micro nord modular on a single sliding rack shelf. I don't recall the make, but it is a heavy duty one and does take up two spaces. I have found no way around this, since the pc-1600x does *not* sit flat on the shelf itself! - it sits on the shelf rails (i've used velcro to atach it there). (yeuch) This is because while the peavey is just about the right size for a 19" space, you lose something like an inch of shelf width due to the shelf sliding mechanism. With the peavey on top of the rails, it *Just* slides under the unit mounted above the shelf, but only if all of the sliders are pulled down. stephen --- John Tidwell wrote: > I would like to put my PC-1600x on a sliding rack > shelf. So far the only one I've found with the > proper > shelf width is the heavy duty one from Middle > Atlantic. > > Aside from the cost($79), my only gripe with this > option is that the shelf alone takes up over one > rack > space. > > I'm wondering if any of you PC-1600x users have come > up with something better. > > Many thanks. > > John > > ===== > John Tidwell > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant > messaging with Yahoo! Messenger > http://im.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 17:44:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10498; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 17:21:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 17:21:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <006d01c137dd$981caa00$ac456f40@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: No loop end transition on Repeater? (was Looping pads and ambient sounds) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 14:09:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Sep 2001 21:09:39.0852 (UTC) FILETIME=[68346CC0:01C137E1] Resent-Message-ID: <8ZOg1D.A.CbC.yeTm7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What happens when you overdub on a loop that has been timestretched - ie it is not playing at it's original tempo. Is the overdubed audio recorded at the timestretch bit rate (ie lower or higher bit rate than 44.1), or is the whole thing resampled on the fly, at the new speed? Curiouser and curiouser, Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: "petr" To: "Mark Sottilaro" ; Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 1:42 PM Subject: No loop end transition on Repeater? (was Looping pads and ambient sounds) > > With the JamMan and the Repeater, I have to "prime" the loop, by > basically > > recording a blank loop first, then putting the loop back in record. > > *** Are you saying that with the Repeater you cannot end the loop > without going directly into overdub, in some way? Having to make a > blank loop first -- this I would consider a SERIOUS flaw at a looper. > With my EDP I end the loop with overdub (smooth transitions) all the > time. Making a blank loop would be a big obstacle in free improvs. > If Repeater should not be able to do this, I would most likely not > consider buing it and would get another EDP instead. > > petr > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 17:56:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11027; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 17:34:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 17:34:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005301c137e3$3c8f1b40$ad83abd4@giogio> From: "luca" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010907100538.0442b638@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Looping pads and ambient sounds - Ah-ahhhhh.... Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 23:21:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com .....here we are, for what i can see we have arrived to what i thought it is the most important lack in the Repeater. Not to be able to end a loop with overdub is a big and unacceptable limitation by my point of view. It is one of the main reasons why i love edps. this lack was acceptable on a first era looper (Jam Man), but not on a 21st century looper, I am surprised how you all have stayied quite until now. i think today's definitive looper should contain the chances other loopers were offering and put something more (and time/pitch shifting, 4 tracks, digital out, memory for samples/.wav files ARE WAY MORE). I know anyone can do it, but i find it hard to think we have to act on this beast as we were doing on a Jam Man, when the solution for crossfade has already been solved. i am waiting for my repeater as well and i'm very happy it is finally out, but this overdub matter is at the first place for an immediate software improvement IMO. i really would like not to start flame wars. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 17:57:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11028; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 17:34:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 17:34:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 14:23:24 -0700 From: "Miko Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: the power of limits Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA10601 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>> Nemoguitt@aol.com 09/07/01 02:00PM >>> > miko.....are you and steuart showing up at this "gig" as solo players or are you playing with others using these simplified "healthy" set-ups?.....:)m Simple rig... I use amp and peds-only for ensemble stuff currently. Mostly because it's easy... (I'd go solo with the p-board adding the PCM80 and EDP though). The amp sounds bitchin'... It's a 2x10" open back combo with 2 6V6 power stage (about 15-20 watts) and a solid-state preamp... go figure... it sounds great up to a certain volume level... then it's just not enough. Can't handle a pounding drummer... It's also very light. The thing about my simple rig is there's a Z Vex Fuzz Probe and Lovetone Flanger in there... both of which can do amazing oscillating events, so there's plenty of fodder for going into the electronic nuthouse. I want a floor looper, but The Rang seems to be the only one I like at the moment. I had level and dynamic problems with the DL4 which weren't quite worth the attention. Full-Metal-Jacket solo stereo rig... 10sp rack with Crown CE1000 power amp; PCM80; EDP; Korg AM8000r; TC D-Two Delay; DBX Vocal Processor/Mic Pre (286?); TRS Patch Bay; Power conditioner... all into a Mackie 1202VLZ on a keyboard table stand... mixer outs to a FMR RNC Compressor back to the Crown. Speakers are a pair of Acme Sound Lo-B 1x10" 3-way speakers which double as my daw studio monitors. Miko Biffle - Miko.Biffle@asml.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 19:03:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15287; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 18:39:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 18:39:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB811@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: the power of limits Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 17:47:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C137E6.B932E250" Resent-Message-ID: <1pRil.A.knD.ymUm7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C137E6.B932E250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" for me, i've done both. though most solo gigs have been less intensive than my current large set-up in terms of gear. also done quartets with more gear than some trios . . .all depends. that being said, i'm working on some solo material that would be NO effects and some other stuff that would be a little bit of effects. but i tend to be less gear-intensive than some on this list - - but more than others. stig miko.....are you and steuart showing up at this "gig" as solo players or are you playing with others using these simplified "healthy" set-ups?.....:)m ------_=_NextPart_001_01C137E6.B932E250 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
for me, i've done both. though most solo gigs have been less intensive than my current large set-up in terms of gear. also done quartets with more gear than some trios . . .all depends.
 
that being said, i'm working on some solo material that would be NO effects and some other stuff that would be a little bit of effects.
 
but i tend to be less gear-intensive than some on this list - - but more than others.
 
stig
miko.....are you and steuart showing up at this "gig" as solo players or are
you playing with others using these simplified "healthy" set-ups?.....:)m
------_=_NextPart_001_01C137E6.B932E250-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 19:36:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17670; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 19:13:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 19:13:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 16:07:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Repeater:End with Overdub Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm particularily bummed about not being able to end a loop record with overdub, as I specifically asked both Darrell Smith and Damon about this on 8/2/00: >>> I'd like to be able to switch to overdub directly out of record (makes >>> nicer loops). To which Darrell replied: >Repeater does this. My guess is Repeater can functionally do this, but the tape transport interface Electrix chose doesn't easily make this happen. Perhaps a button combination Record + something (like used for audio start record) could be used to place Repeater in recording, the next tap of the record switch marks the loop boundary, but leaves you in overdub, requiring a third press of record to be in playback. Ultimately Repeater does so much great "Uber-Looper" stuff that I don't want to complain, instead I'll just join the crowd and ask Electrix to implement two main functions in a mini-upgrade; 1) input kill and 2) end loop w/ overdub. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 19:59:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18515; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 19:37:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 19:37:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9957E1.8C5294D0@cloud9.net> Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 19:27:29 -0400 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Problems with LD website References: <200109072156.RAA12234@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I tried browsing the LD website for the first time in quite a while yesterday. I've done it successfully in the past (and a nice site it is too!) but when I tried accessing the archive/index, I was frequently getting blank pages with only an advert/banner on it. Is there something I need to do (pay money? ) to be able to get to all the messages? This is frustrating. Also, I posted through the site, and my post never showed up. Can someone clue me in? Thanks, Elby From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 20:13:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18964; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 19:50:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 19:50:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B995AB3.17471071@cloud9.net> Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 19:39:31 -0400 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Using tap tempo on Repeater References: <200109072156.RAA12234@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been using my Repeater for a few days now and absolutely loving it, although I'm seriously bummed that I don't have a "vintage" model with the upside down card (does the fellow who was complaining want to double the value of my 'peater by trading cards? ) There are a couple of things that are still eluding me. One is the use of tap tempo. I haven't been able to get it to work as I expect. Here's a sample scenario: I start with tempo dialed in at 72 bpm. With the 'peater in User sync, and tempo lock "off", I tap the the "Tap Tempo" button on every other blink - expecting to lock on about 36 bpm. What happens is that the tempo shifts slightly after several taps, say from 72 bpm to 70.5, for example. I am able to dial it down to 36 bpm using the tempo knob, but not by tapping. I've tried different combinations of sync mode, and tempo lock - none of them properly lock onto the tempo I'm tapping. Have others had this problem? Do I have a buggy unit? Thanks, Elby From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 21:00:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22128; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 20:36:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 20:36:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <200109072156.RAA12234@hemlock.violacea.com> <3B995AB3.17471071@cloud9.net> Subject: Re: Using tap tempo on Repeater Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 17:24:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Sep 2001 00:24:30.0407 (UTC) FILETIME=[A0518D70:01C137FC] Resent-Message-ID: <_kNnO.A.tQF.dVWm7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > There are a couple of things that are still eluding me. One is the use > of tap tempo. I haven't been able to get it to work as I expect. > Here's a sample scenario: I start with tempo dialed in at 72 bpm. With > the 'peater in User sync, and tempo lock "off", I tap the the "Tap > Tempo" button on every other blink - expecting to lock on about 36 bpm. > What happens is that the tempo shifts slightly after several taps, say > from 72 bpm to 70.5, for example. I am able to dial it down to 36 bpm > using the tempo knob, but not by tapping. I've tried different > combinations of sync mode, and tempo lock - none of them properly lock > onto the tempo I'm tapping. Have others had this problem? Do I have a > buggy unit? While being repeaterless myself (for the time being). I would assume this is a 'feature' not a bug. It sounds like the repeater is finding the closest time division that fits your tempo - that takes some sophistication. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 21:00:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22130; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 20:36:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 20:36:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010907171108.045ff290@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 17:24:46 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Problems with LD website In-Reply-To: <3B9957E1.8C5294D0@cloud9.net> References: <200109072156.RAA12234@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:27 PM 9/7/2001, Mountain Man wrote: >I tried browsing the LD website for the first time in quite a while >yesterday. I've done it successfully in the past (and a nice site it is >too!) but when I tried accessing the archive/index, I was frequently >getting blank pages with only an advert/banner on it. could you give me a link for which pages you saw that were blank? I checked a few and they were fine. We are in the midst of a server upgrade. Attempts are being made to do this transparently, but my confidence that it will actually go that way are a little low. So it is possible that the ride will get a little bumpy in the near future. The server got rebooted several times yesterday in testing something related to this, so it is possible you encountered one of those events. BTW, you don't need to post global mails to the entire world when you see a problem on the LD site. A mail to me letting me know so I can fix it is fine. >Is there >something I need to do (pay money? ) to be able to get to all the >messages? you are welcome to pay me money if you want to. :-) Your enjoyment of Looper's Delight is mostly funded by me, and it ain't cheap. Any donations that you would like to make to help pay for it are very welcome. there are little "donate to Looper's Delight" links all over the site to make this easy. You can even use your credit card. >This is frustrating. Also, I posted through the site, and my >post never showed up. Can someone clue me in? there is no interface on the site to allow you to post that way, so this comment is a little baffling. what do you mean? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 21:18:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22838; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 20:55:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 20:55:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007201c137ff$7f01d820$903a4a42@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: <00c901c137c7$b3343fd0$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: repeater/mofx synch Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 17:45:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think maybe the Electrix products sync 1x then if you want to re-sync you have to press the tempo button again- I don't think it keeps an "active" sync going- Om ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim palmer" To: Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 11:05 AM Subject: Re: repeater/mofx synch > i have done that. > it is synching, it just seems to have a lot of trouble > keeping steady while synching, so the delay rate > regularly has to change, causing weird pitch shifts. > > > Press and hold the "Tap Tempo" on Mo-FX to sync it up with Repeater's MIDI > > clock. That should do the trick. > > > > Best, > > Jamie. > > > > > > > > > > > has anybody tried synching repeater and mofx? > > > i tried it this weekend with the mofx slaved to the > > > repeater and it seems to be having quite a bit of > > > trouble keeping synch. the main problem is delay. > > > it quite frequently (several times per measure) has to readjust > > > to stay synched causing all kinds of weird bent-pitch artifacts. > > > i like weird, but i also like to use synchronized delay without > > > the weirdness. > > > > > > i was unable to get the repeater to synch to the mofx > > > though that would be much less desirable, even if it worked... > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 21:43:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25019; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 21:19:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 21:19:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: Using tap tempo on Repeater Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 18:07:59 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3B995AB3.17471071@cloud9.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes. I've had several problems arise when jumping back and forth between the sync modes as well. It seems that the tap tempo does much better when tapping in a tempo that is faster than the current tempo. Sometimes it takes only two taps to register. Other times it takes three. Otherwise, I have trouble tapping a tempo any slower than about 70 or 75 bpm (I think my record is 67). It seems like the gap in between the taps is big enough to make the function reset and read the next tap as the first tap (or something like that). Faster taps are more easily recognized for sure. I also had some problems getting the user and midi modes to sync after using beat detect. At one point in the evening, beat detect erratically jumped up to a very fast tempo and when I switched to midi sync, it remained at that same tempo which was much faster than the master clock was sending. The same thing seemed to happen in user mode (it kept wanting to jump back to the fast tempo that was established in beat detect mode). But I'm checking into it. I may have overlooked something (like a simple reset or clear when switching modes?) I don't know. There are a lot of variables so it's likely that it's my own fault. Amazing device though. I had a GREAT rehearsal last night with my drummer. We had a blast. I'm downloading ACID Express as I type. I'm going to load some ambient textures onto my new 128M card (which formatted in about three seconds with NO problems). Does anyone know if there are any other ways to get .wav loop files on my PC onto my CFC with using a USB-CFC hookup? Or is that the best bet? Thanks. -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: Mountain Man [mailto:mtman@cloud9.net] Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 6:40 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Using tap tempo on Repeater I've been using my Repeater for a few days now and absolutely loving it, although I'm seriously bummed that I don't have a "vintage" model with the upside down card (does the fellow who was complaining want to double the value of my 'peater by trading cards? ) There are a couple of things that are still eluding me. One is the use of tap tempo. I haven't been able to get it to work as I expect. Here's a sample scenario: I start with tempo dialed in at 72 bpm. With the 'peater in User sync, and tempo lock "off", I tap the the "Tap Tempo" button on every other blink - expecting to lock on about 36 bpm. What happens is that the tempo shifts slightly after several taps, say from 72 bpm to 70.5, for example. I am able to dial it down to 36 bpm using the tempo knob, but not by tapping. I've tried different combinations of sync mode, and tempo lock - none of them properly lock onto the tempo I'm tapping. Have others had this problem? Do I have a buggy unit? Thanks, Elby From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 21:53:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25475; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 21:30:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 21:30:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: Using tap tempo on Repeater Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 18:18:14 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3B995AB3.17471071@cloud9.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One more thing regarding tap tempo. This concerns Repeater users that plan on using a Yamaha MFC10. Apparently the MFC10 has a slight latency issue (that compounds the pre-excising midi latency issue) and can pose problems when trying to control time-critical functions such as tap, record and play. I haven't received my MFC10 yet, so I am using a Digitech FS-300 TRS controller. My thought was that I would use the FS-300 as a dedicated Play/Stop-Record and Tap Tempo while using the midi pedal board to control other functions (as well as other units). But apparently the TRS pedal only controls Play/Stop-Record and UNDO. Tap tempo will only be available in the form of MIDI control (aside form the front panel control). So I guess there will be no way around using midi to control tap tempo from the floor... I asked the folks at Electrix to please try and make the TRS pedal somewhat programmable in the next software upgrade. -- Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 22:10:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26216; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 21:47:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 21:47:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: repeater/mofx synch Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 20:34:25 -0500 Message-ID: <008d01c13806$64a838f0$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <007201c137ff$7f01d820$903a4a42@we.mediaone.net> Resent-Message-ID: <8tvx-C.A.MRG.2XXm7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My MO-FX manual says the following about Midi Clock ... "Mo-FX can receive MIDI Clock messages. It will re-synchronize the Tap Tempo to the incoming MIDI clock automatically every time it receives a MIDI clock start message. ... " "To re-synchronize MO-FX to MIDI Clock, press and hold the Tap Tempo button for 600ms." It also says ... "Some devices do not transmit MIDI Clock "start" messages. It may be necessary, in such cases, to manually inform MO-FX to respond to the incoming MIDI Clock by pressing and holding the Tap Tempo button for 600ms." I guess the keys here are to first synchronize these devices to a MIDI Clock source and make sure that the source sends MIDI Clock "Start" messages. Does anyone know if these start messages are something that is sent periodically or whenever the tempo changes? What would be the most stable supplier of Midi Clock messages (with "start") in a rig to ensure sync stability? Steve > > > I think maybe the Electrix products sync 1x then if you want > to re-sync you have to press the tempo button again- I don't > think it keeps an "active" sync going- > > Om > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jim palmer" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 11:05 AM > Subject: Re: repeater/mofx synch > > > > i have done that. > > it is synching, it just seems to have a lot of trouble > keeping steady > > while synching, so the delay rate regularly has to change, causing > > weird pitch shifts. > > > > > Press and hold the "Tap Tempo" on Mo-FX to sync it up with > > > Repeater's > MIDI > > > clock. That should do the trick. > > > > > > Best, > > > Jamie. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has anybody tried synching repeater and mofx? > > > > i tried it this weekend with the mofx slaved to the > repeater and > > > > it seems to be having quite a bit of trouble keeping > synch. the > > > > main problem is delay. it quite frequently (several times per > > > > measure) has to readjust to stay synched causing all kinds of > > > > weird bent-pitch artifacts. i like weird, but i also > like to use > > > > synchronized delay without the weirdness. > > > > > > > > i was unable to get the repeater to synch to the mofx > though that > > > > would be much less desirable, even if it worked... > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 22:21:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA27781; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 21:59:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 21:59:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: PC to CFC (was: RE: Using tap tempo on Repeater) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 18:47:25 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That should have read, "..without using a USB-CFC hookup..". -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: Tim Goodwin [mailto:deepbass6@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 6:08 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Using tap tempo on Repeater Does anyone know if there are any other ways to get .wav loop files on my PC onto my CFC with using a USB-CFC hookup? Or is that the best bet? Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 22:44:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28598; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 22:21:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 22:21:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010907190458.00b54e70@mail.mindspring.com> X-Files: The truth is out there. Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 19:07:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Subject: RE: Using tap tempo on Repeater In-Reply-To: References: <3B995AB3.17471071@cloud9.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How are you getting the repeater to recognize the files you're copying on the card? Did you already have loops set up that were the same length as the loops you're loading on the CFC? At 06:07 PM 2001/09/07 -0500, Tim wrote: >We had a blast. I'm downloading ACID Express as I type. I'm going to load >some ambient textures onto my new 128M card (which formatted in about three >seconds with NO problems). Does anyone know if there are any other ways to >get .wav loop files on my PC onto my CFC with using a USB-CFC hookup? Or is >that the best bet? Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 02:22:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA10283; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 01:58:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 01:58:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B99B111.DE587394@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 22:48:01 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater:End with Overdub References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And while their at it, it would be swell if you could do a cue record, where you could cue up a new loop to go into record automatically when the current loop is done. That sure would be swell. Mark Sottilaro Mark Landman wrote: > I'm particularily bummed about not being able to end a loop record with > overdub, as I specifically asked both Darrell Smith and Damon about this on > 8/2/00: > > >>> I'd like to be able to switch to overdub directly out of record (makes > >>> nicer loops). > > To which Darrell replied: > > >Repeater does this. > > My guess is Repeater can functionally do this, but the tape transport > interface Electrix chose doesn't easily make this happen. Perhaps a button > combination Record + something (like used for audio start record) could be > used to place Repeater in recording, the next tap of the record switch > marks the loop boundary, but leaves you in overdub, requiring a third press > of record to be in playback. > > Ultimately Repeater does so much great "Uber-Looper" stuff that I don't > want to complain, instead I'll just join the crowd and ask Electrix to > implement two main functions in a mini-upgrade; 1) input kill and 2) end > loop w/ overdub. > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 02:31:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA11685; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 02:09:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 02:09:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.69.204.35] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: the power of limits Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 05:56:34 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Sep 2001 05:56:34.0454 (UTC) FILETIME=[03F9DB60:01C1382B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am really enjoying this thread on the power of limitations (in gear). And it is ironic that I am going through on of these "gear-downsizing" periods right now. Sometime ago I read an interview with Eno where he was discussing he rather simple and out-of-date set up. He said that the tools he uses he knows very well, and while they may be limited, he would rather work within a limited but known universe than the infinite. In other words, he would rather have a couple of boxes he knew very well, and have just a handful of tricks or tones than a gazillion options.... I found this true with my set up also. The more processors I threw into the mix, the more I used...or should I say tried to use! This would bring upon a terrible state of option anxiety ("hmmm that's cool, but what if I changed this, and added that, and then tweaked this other thing?") After going through a bunch of rack and floor processors and pedals, now I am back to a fairly easy to manage setup: Godin A4 bass, Raven Labs Mixer/DI, Raven Labs Inst. Pre, Lexicon Alex, Lexicon JamMan,and sometimes tossing in a DL4 just for fun. The Raven stuff is used mostly for it's transparent sound quality, and the two aux loops. The Alex is way out of date: single effects, 16 bit, NON-MIDI...but it has a quality which is unique and musical. And the JamDude...well, we all know about this! It is a simple, albeit limited setup, which challenges my creativity in ingenuity (and it sounds better than a lot of stuff all hoked up!). I find I am creating effects "manually"..that is with my hands: mutes, false harmonics, playing drums on the bass,(...alright I am still sticking aligator clips all over the bass and using an Ebow, but...) and combining these manual techniques with sometimes subtle,sometimes extreme electronic treatments (yes, have been able to write some fairly extreme patches with the limitations of the Alex). For loops the JamBoy works superbly, in a simple way. No I can't do crossfades, or undo functions like the EDP, or any of the cool stuff on the 'peater, but I have found I can make seamless atmospheric loops (no clicks) by just relying on my snse of time, my abilities, and this rather simple setup. And I am able to do some really incredible "song form" loops without MIDI or a drum machine (just the faux drums played on the bass). And it is alot easier to cart around (1 4space rack!). Since I unburdened myself from all the other processors and pedals my signal is cleaner, tone is better, and I am enjoying looping and music making even more. It's all about creativity...not gear! But having said that I do envison an EDP sometime soon..... Max _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 03:30:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA14717; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 03:08:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 03:08:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Repeater overdub (also limits) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 23:56:31 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <006d01c137dd$981caa00$ac456f40@oemcomputer> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey all-- I bet you could send a combination of MIDI messages to end record and go into overdub on the Repeater-- I managed to play with one at the Sherman Oaks Guitar Center yesterday and it is cool--only had 30 minutes to get in and get out, but it seems like a great tool to have in your arsenal--still, unless you just have to have 4 tracks or 5 minutes of record time (or storage of your loops), the Echoplex does a lot. Or tempo or pitch control . . . I am right in there with the limits thing. The ztar is in storage and I've been practicing (no gigs) with just acoustic guitar into the EDP controlled by the PMC-10. Just some reverb on the amp. I think if I start playing out with this configuration tho I will go with my GT-3 for some texture--I haven't really set it up for the acoustic stuff, but I find that I don't need canned percussion or synth bass as much with acoustic guitar, and I also think that any gigs I could scare up for myself would be singer/guitar situations, and they seem to prefer acoustic--I did a one man band gig with a sequencer a while ago in San Diego; the manager had solicited me after seeing me during a fill in so I did a night, and at the end of the night he asked me (half kidding), "Don't you own an acoustic guitar?" So limits, yeah; also the two ends of the spectrum to consider--the mind blowing and the familiar. Gary PS Anybody done this MIDI overdub on the Repeater? G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 04:03:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA15763; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 03:41:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 03:41:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B99C8AD.8E9EA553@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 00:28:45 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: the power of limits References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Your stuff owns you. -Tyler Durden max valentino wrote: > I am really enjoying this thread on the power of limitations (in gear). And > it is ironic that I am going through on of these "gear-downsizing" periods > right now. > Sometime ago I read an interview with Eno where he was discussing he rather > simple and out-of-date set up. He said that the tools he uses he knows very > well, and while they may be limited, he would rather work within a limited > but known universe than the infinite. In other words, he would rather have > a couple of boxes he knew very well, and have just a handful of tricks or > tones than a gazillion options.... > I found this true with my set up also. The more processors I threw into the > mix, the more I used...or should I say tried to use! This would bring upon > a terrible state of option anxiety ("hmmm that's cool, but what if I changed > this, and added that, and then tweaked this other thing?") > After going through a bunch of rack and floor processors and pedals, now I > am back to a fairly easy to manage setup: Godin A4 bass, Raven Labs > Mixer/DI, Raven Labs Inst. Pre, Lexicon Alex, Lexicon JamMan,and sometimes > tossing in a DL4 just for fun. The Raven stuff is used mostly for it's > transparent sound quality, and the two aux loops. The Alex is way out of > date: single effects, 16 bit, NON-MIDI...but it has a quality which is > unique and musical. And the JamDude...well, we all know about this! It is > a simple, albeit limited setup, which challenges my creativity in ingenuity > (and it sounds better than a lot of stuff all hoked up!). I find I am > creating effects "manually"..that is with my hands: mutes, false harmonics, > playing drums on the bass,(...alright I am still sticking aligator clips all > over the bass and using an Ebow, but...) and combining these manual > techniques with sometimes subtle,sometimes extreme electronic treatments > (yes, have been able to write some fairly extreme patches with the > limitations of the Alex). For loops the JamBoy works superbly, in a simple > way. No I can't do crossfades, or undo functions like the EDP, or any of > the cool stuff on the 'peater, but I have found I can make seamless > atmospheric loops (no clicks) by just relying on my snse of time, my > abilities, and this rather simple setup. And I am able to do some really > incredible "song form" loops without MIDI or a drum machine (just the faux > drums played on the bass). > And it is alot easier to cart around (1 4space rack!). > Since I unburdened myself from all the other processors and pedals my signal > is cleaner, tone is better, and I am enjoying looping and music making even > more. > It's all about creativity...not gear! But having said that I do envison an > EDP sometime soon..... > Max > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 05:02:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA19281; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 04:39:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 04:39:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca Message-Id: Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 04:26:22 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: my first impression: repeater Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the repeater is pretty amazing. however i also notice some clocking problems: the 'dry' output seems to be a bit delayed from the source. when i run a click through the repeater it's slightly delayed from the original even when the repeater is sitting idle and just 'passing through' the dry signal. not good. also, the midi clock grabber is pretty unstable. it's almost impossible to cue up a loop and sync it to a midi sequence unless you move the tracks around so they are in sync. maybe i'm doing something wrong but it just won't sync up. if i record some tracks on the fly with the sequencer going it works ok. that clocking stuff should really be fixed. otherwise, the repeater is like having 4 jamman and then some! plexus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 05:15:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA19627; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 04:52:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 04:52:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: Importing and Exporting Repeater Loops (was:RE: Using tap tempo on Repeater) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 01:40:52 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010907190458.00b54e70@mail.mindspring.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry if my post was misleading, but I haven't loaded any pre-arranged loops onto the CFC yet. That's why I wanted to know my options. It's obvious that file sharing was one of the problems that Electrix was wrestling with this past year. For instance, last January's beta manual includes an "Importing Loops into Repeater" section, complete with an explanation of how to import and export loops to and from Acid, Cubase and Digital Performer. Here is a cut and paste of the material that they decided to edit from the final print. So use this at your own risk! ;) I am reprinting this because I think it may be of help to people. My apologies if I am violating any unspoken (or spoken) boundaries here...) I assume that some of these guidelines may not work because they were edited from the final manual. But who knows? Just don't blame me if following these directions makes your Repeater blow up. :) Maybe Damon can let us know what to avoid (if it's necessary to avoid any of the following...) Here goes (I added the section numbers for ease of reference): (1) Importing Loops Into Repeater: To create a new loop, simply - · Create a new folder in the Repeater directory. · Name the folder “Loop_###” where “###” is the Repeater loop number. · Drop up to four .WAV files in the folder. The files must be equal in length and in a 16 bit 44.1kHz mono format. · Use an audio editor to match the length of the loops if necessary. · Rename the tracks “track_1.wav…. track_4.wav”. Repeater will automatically calculate its proprietary information the next time it plays the loop. If the loops are not the exactly the same length, track one will be used as the master loop length and the other loops will be truncated to match. (2) Importing and Exporting loops from ACID to Repeater: To Export loops from ACID to Repeater - · First, mute the tracks you do not wish to export from ACID. · Under FILE select EXPORT · Save as a .WAV · Select the export type “SAVE LOOP FILES AT PROJECT TEMPO” You can save the files to your hard drive then copy them onto the Repeater CFC using the Importing to Repeater procedure. To Import Repeater loops into ACID, simply copy the Repeater tracks to your hard drive. Rename them however you’d like, but keep the .WAV file extension. ACID allows you to browse your hard drive and look for .WAV files using the MEDIA EXPLORER, point to the Repeater files and ACID will ACIDize when you SAVE AS under the Track tab of the properties page. (3) Importing and Exporting loops from Digital Performer to Repeater: Importing and exporting loops in and out of Digital Performer can be accomplished by simply dragging and dropping the sound files of the SOUND BITES window. Digital Performer expects the sound files to be in a .AIFF or .SDII format. Use a utility like SoundApp, http://www.macdownload.com to convert from .WAV to .AIFF. Be sure to follow the Repeater import procedure outlined above when creating folders and tracks on the CFC. (4) Importing and Exporting loops from Cubase to Repeater: Importing and exporting loops in and out of Cubase can be accomplished by using the Audio Pool. To Import audio into Cubase - · Activate the Pool window · Select Import Audio from the pop-up File menu · Select the file and click open. Macintosh Cubase users will have to convert their loops into .AIFF or .SDII format. Use a utility like SoundApp, to convert from .WAV to .AIFF. To export a file - · Activate the Audio Pool window · Select Export Segment from the pop-up Do menu. · Save the file. If you are on a Mac convert it to the .WAV format. Be sure to follow the Repeater import procedure outlined above when creating folders and tracks on the CFC with your new loop data. -- Well, that's about it regarding importing and exporting files to and from a PC to a Repeater. I'm going to try and set up some loops with one or two 'prepped tracks'. By using steps (2) and (1) from above. I could then use the copy function to move and edit them as needed. I guess the one thing to remember is that if (for instance) I load an Acidized loop onto track 1 of loop A, the tempo that I select when exporting the track from Acid will be the true tempo/length of the .wav file. If I tweak the tempo knob and decide to add new tracks to the tempo altered loop, I think that means that the new .wav files will be of a different length. Or will they? It might be necessary to resample loops that are copied and then tempo shifted to establish a new common .wav length for that loop... or maybe not. Whoa. I'm getting confused. The other possibility is adding tracks to a loop that was first created on the Repeater (as opposed to one that was manually created on my computer). In this case, it's important to remember to resample any tracks that were tempo or pitch shifted so that the selected tempo matches the true .wav length. Then it's only a matter of Acidizing loops to the true tempo to ensure a .wav length match and dumping the new .wav files into the loop folder as per the naming convention described in section (1). I hope this helps. It helped me to write it all out! ;) I'm gonna pickup a CFC reader sometime this weekend and try this out. I'll let you know how it goes. BTW, this is my first looper. I messed around with a DL4 last year and thought is was interesting. But this thing is awesome. The creative potential is phenomenal. I am floating. I guess that makes me a true "next generation" looper. Onward and upward. -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: Sean [mailto:sean_@mindspring.com] Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 9:07 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Using tap tempo on Repeater How are you getting the repeater to recognize the files you're copying on the card? Did you already have loops set up that were the same length as the loops you're loading on the CFC? At 06:07 PM 2001/09/07 -0500, Tim wrote: >We had a blast. I'm downloading ACID Express as I type. I'm going to load >some ambient textures onto my new 128M card (which formatted in about three >seconds with NO problems). Does anyone know if there are any other ways to >get .wav loop files on my PC onto my CFC with using a USB-CFC hookup? Or is >that the best bet? Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 05:22:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA20920; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 04:59:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 04:59:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: PC to CFC (was: RE: Using tap tempo on Repeater) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 01:47:58 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think I just answered my own question in my last post. Maybe I should send all of my initial questions to my own email address and reply at least once before bothering you folks. ;) -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: Tim Goodwin [mailto:deepbass6@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 6:47 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: PC to CFC (was: RE: Using tap tempo on Repeater) That should have read, "..without using a USB-CFC hookup..". -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: Tim Goodwin [mailto:deepbass6@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 6:08 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Using tap tempo on Repeater Does anyone know if there are any other ways to get .wav loop files on my PC onto my CFC with using a USB-CFC hookup? Or is that the best bet? Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 05:45:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA21970; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 05:22:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 05:22:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.206.91.12] From: "Jon" To: References: <3B99C8AD.8E9EA553@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: the power of limits Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 02:09:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Sep 2001 09:08:46.0899 (UTC) FILETIME=[DDD95030:01C13845] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Your stuff owns you. > > -Tyler Durden > Yeah right, and look what happened to him. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 05:56:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA22385; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 05:33:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 05:33:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: repeater/mofx synch Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 02:23:07 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00c901c137c7$b3343fd0$080210ac@jpalmer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Pitch shifts? Or time shifts? -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: jim palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 1:06 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: repeater/mofx synch i have done that. it is synching, it just seems to have a lot of trouble keeping steady while synching, so the delay rate regularly has to change, causing weird pitch shifts. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 06:16:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA23066; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 05:53:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 05:53:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f201c1384a$bbbdd480$ea4e1597@a> From: "Fabio Brandi" To: Subject: h Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 11:43:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I am Fabio Brandì. This is the second time that I enroll me in this mailing. The first time was silent. I have discovered to be a looper after having listened "What means..." of David Torn, my preferred musician. I like a lot to listen to Frisell, Molvaer, Davis, Coltrane, Metheny, Zorn, Aarset etc. Do I like to listen to music a lot (obviously?). Even if after sometime I have discovered that was incapable entirely to copy the others. I have stopped making cover after having understood (in truth very soon) that I didn't want to reproduce other people's music and whether to repeat or to be repeated annoyed me. That's why I believe to physiologically be a looper Ah, I am guitarist and next time I eventually point out my instrumentation to looping. I apologize me for the length of mine first intrusion. Regards Fabio Brandi (un)relax From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 08:25:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA30430; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 08:02:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 08:02:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9A0655.B232D62A@cloud9.net> Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 07:51:49 -0400 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Using tap tempo on Repeater References: <200109080730.DAA15322@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Right - can't get it to slow down. That's exactly my experience. If this is a feature as someone suggested, I'd like to get an explanation of how it works, hopefully from someone at Electrix. The bottom line on "features" is that if they feel natural, they're great; if they stand between me and accomplishing what I want to accomplish, I call it a bug. This has that "it's a bug" feel. And I agree with you, Tim - the Repeater is GREAT!!! Elby > Subject: RE: Using tap tempo on Repeater > Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 18:07:59 -0500 > From: "Tim Goodwin" > To: > Yes. I've had several problems arise when jumping back and forth > between > the sync modes as well. It seems that the tap tempo does much better > when > tapping in a tempo that is faster than the current tempo. Sometimes > it > takes only two taps to register. Other times it takes three. > Otherwise, I > have trouble tapping a tempo any slower than about 70 or 75 bpm (I > think my > record is 67). It seems like the gap in between the taps is big > enough to > make the function reset and read the next tap as the first tap (or > something > like that). Faster taps are more easily recognized for sure. > > I also had some problems getting the user and midi modes to sync after > using > beat detect. At one point in the evening, beat detect erratically > jumped up > to a very fast tempo and when I switched to midi sync, it remained at > that > same tempo which was much faster than the master clock was sending. > The > same thing seemed to happen in user mode (it kept wanting to jump back > to > the fast tempo that was established in beat detect mode). But I'm > checking > into it. I may have overlooked something (like a simple reset or > clear when > switching modes?) I don't know. There are a lot of variables so it's > likely that it's my own fault. > > Amazing device though. I had a GREAT rehearsal last night with my > drummer. > We had a blast. I'm downloading ACID Express as I type. I'm going to > load > some ambient textures onto my new 128M card (which formatted in about > three > seconds with NO problems). Does anyone know if there are any other > ways to > get .wav loop files on my PC onto my CFC with using a USB-CFC hookup? > Or is > that the best bet? Thanks. > > -- > Tim > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 08:27:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA30491; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 08:04:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 08:04:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9A073C.7EAA7CA8@cloud9.net> Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 07:55:40 -0400 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: MFC10 latency References: <200109080730.DAA15322@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not sure what latency issue you're referring to, Tim. I've been using an MFC10 for a while and have never discovered any noticable latency. I'm using it in a limited way (a Record button, and a Play button) to control my Repeater - works just fine for me. Elby > Subject: RE: Using tap tempo on Repeater > Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 18:18:14 -0500 > From: "Tim Goodwin" > To: > > One more thing regarding tap tempo. This concerns Repeater users that > plan > on using a Yamaha MFC10. > > Apparently the MFC10 has a slight latency issue (that compounds the > pre-excising midi latency issue) and can pose problems when trying to > control time-critical functions such as tap, record and play. I > haven't > received my MFC10 yet, so I am using a Digitech FS-300 TRS > controller. My > thought was that I would use the FS-300 as a dedicated > Play/Stop-Record and > Tap Tempo while using the midi pedal board to control other functions > (as > well as other units). But apparently the TRS pedal only controls > Play/Stop-Record and UNDO. Tap tempo will only be available in the > form of > MIDI control (aside form the front panel control). So I guess there > will be > no way around using midi to control tap tempo from the floor... > > I asked the folks at Electrix to please try and make the TRS pedal > somewhat > programmable in the next software upgrade. > > -- > Tim > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 08:47:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA31016; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 08:25:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 08:25:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <6.1bbabb9a.28cb657b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 08:13:47 EDT Subject: Re: Repeater:End with Overdub To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ml said: >I'm particularily bummed about not being able to end a loop record with >overdub, as I specifically asked both Darrell Smith and Damon about this >on 8/2/00: my repeater is not in front of me ---i'm out of the studio for one day, but--- if the repeater's initial 'record' is set to 'overdub', i believe that re-striking 'record' at the end of the initial record-period puts ya straight into overdub, no? hmmmm..... if not, then it'd require this sequence: record (w/overdub 'on') play (to end initial loop) record (to overdub) i'll check tomorrow. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 09:09:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA31828; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 08:47:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 08:47:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <20.1b953912.28cb6a7a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 08:35:06 EDT Subject: Re: Looping pads and ambient sounds / likely repeater correction To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ml writes, >Steve- >On the good ol' EDP, I think one of the best ways to do this is to end >your >loop recording by going directly to overdub, allowing the ambience/decay >to >"blur" over the initial loop boundary. true! >With Repeater, you'll need to start with a blank loop already set up, as >Repeater doesn't currently allow you to end record with overdub. not true! with repeater in 'overdub', hit 'record', then 'record' again. also: hitting 'record' whilst a new loop is 'cued' will put the new loop immediately into 'record'. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 12:12:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09087; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 11:49:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 11:49:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 10:34:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200109081534.f88FYa905237@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Andy Soto Subject: repeater footswitch Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is there already a winner? are we agreed already wich is the best f/s for the repeater? A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 12:12:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05510; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 10:30:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 10:30:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <102.897d109.28cb8264@aol.com> Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 10:17:08 EDT Subject: Re: Problems with LD website To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_102.897d109.28cb8264_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_102.897d109.28cb8264_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/7/01 7:29:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mtman@cloud9.net writes: > . Also, I posted through the site, and my > post never showed up. i had mentioned last week that i am not getting "all" posts and was also wondering if something is amiss.....:)m --part1_102.897d109.28cb8264_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/7/01 7:29:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mtman@cloud9.net
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.  Also, I posted through the site, and my
post never showed up.  


i had mentioned last week that i am not getting "all" posts and was also
wondering if something is amiss.....:)m --part1_102.897d109.28cb8264_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 12:36:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11275; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 12:13:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 12:13:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 12:00:37 -0400 Subject: Re: The power of limits - reply to Max From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200109080730.DAA15322@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3082795237_537232_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3082795237_537232_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit The more processors I threw into the mix, the more I used...or should I say tried to use! This would bring upon a terrible state of option anxiety ("hmmm that's cool, but what if I changed this, and added that, and then tweaked this other thing?") I completely agree. There seems to be a part of my brain that is consumed by the idea of new gear, new options, new toys -- and this is legitimate, and fun. But I always have to bring it back to simplicity -- I'm so inspired by Indian classical music, the idea of two or three people playing for hours, exploring the ramifications of a simple idea (melody and rhythm). I have three basic parts to my setup - wind synthesizer, vocals, another synth, all going into an EDP (and a Kaos pad). It amazes me how when I feel like I have to use everything at once, things seem to become very limited, and often everything starts to sound the same. This creates anxiety -- I start to feel like I have all this gear and it's not giving me a big palette. But when I only use one or two elements at a time, things seem to open up and I often become fascinated and joyful, like a little kid. --MS_Mac_OE_3082795237_537232_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: The power of limits - reply to Max

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I completely agree.  There seems to be a part of my brain that = is consumed by the idea of new gear, new options, new toys -- and this is le= gitimate, and fun.  But I always have to bring it back to simplicity --= I'm so inspired by Indian classical music, the idea of two or three people = playing for hours, exploring the ramifications of a simple idea (melody and = rhythm).  
I have three basic parts to my setup - wind synthesizer, vocals, another sy= nth, all going into an EDP (and a Kaos pad).  It amazes me how when I f= eel like I have to use everything at once, things seem to become very limite= d, and often everything starts to sound the same.  This creates anxiety= -- I start to feel like I have all this gear and it's not giving me a big p= alette.   But when I only use one or two elements at a time, thing= s seem to open up and I often become fascinated and joyful, like a little ki= d.
 --MS_Mac_OE_3082795237_537232_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 12:47:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11672; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 12:24:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 12:24:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 09:18:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: Looping pads and ambient sounds / likely repeater correction Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com dt writes, > >>With Repeater, you'll need to start with a blank loop already set up, as >>Repeater doesn't currently allow you to end record with overdub. >not true! >with repeater in 'overdub', hit 'record', then 'record' again. >also: >hitting 'record' whilst a new loop is 'cued' will put the new loop >immediately into 'record'. >best, >dt / s-c This is an interesting point, certainly my feet or fingers aren't fast enough to end recording by pushing record, then enter overdub by pushing it again without introducing a noticeable gap, the very thing I'm trying to eliminate. But, you guys out there with fancy midi control pedals could program something that would spit the above control sequence out very fast indeed... I'd be curious to hear how well that works... And while replying to dt I have to say he was 100% right about the pitch/time function on Repeater being a source of fascinating timbres. I'm beginning to find some great blurbling, grinding, twittering sounds slowly evolving down in these regions! An added bonus with ultra-slow, pitchshifted up sounds in the range of 1 to 25 BPM is to feed 'em into a long reverb, instant Jovian atmosphere drones! Best- Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 14:34:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18237; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 14:11:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 14:11:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9A5CC8.DD2C2E20@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 11:00:40 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Importing and Exporting Repeater Loops (was:RE: Using tap tempo on Repeater) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Judging by what Electrix as said about this topic, what I'd do is first, on the Repeater, is to make a loop of a desired time. Leave it blank or put something on it, doesn't matter. You'll have a silent loop, but a loop anyway. Bring it into your favorite audio cruncher, and crunch away, copy and paste from other files, whatever, just don't change the length of the loop or the name. Drag it back to the CFC and viola, it should be there in it's new and improved state. I just got my computer back up and running, so I'm going to try this later today. Shouldn't matter, but I'm running all of this on the Mac OS. Mark Sottilaro Tim Goodwin wrote: > Sorry if my post was misleading, but I haven't loaded any pre-arranged loops > onto the CFC yet. That's why I wanted to know my options. > > It's obvious that file sharing was one of the problems that Electrix was > wrestling with this past year. For instance, last January's beta manual > includes an "Importing Loops into Repeater" section, complete with an > explanation of how to import and export loops to and from Acid, Cubase and > Digital Performer. > > Here is a cut and paste of the material that they decided to edit from the > final print. So use this at your own risk! ;) I am reprinting this because > I think it may be of help to people. My apologies if I am violating any > unspoken (or spoken) boundaries here...) I assume that some of these > guidelines may not work because they were edited from the final manual. But > who knows? Just don't blame me if following these directions makes your > Repeater blow up. :) Maybe Damon can let us know what to avoid (if it's > necessary to avoid any of the following...) > > Here goes (I added the section numbers for ease of reference): > > (1) Importing Loops Into Repeater: > > To create a new loop, simply - > > · Create a new folder in the Repeater directory. > · Name the folder “Loop_###” where “###” is the Repeater loop number. > · Drop up to four .WAV files in the folder. The files must be equal in > length and in a 16 bit 44.1kHz mono format. > · Use an audio editor to match the length of the loops if necessary. > · Rename the tracks “track_1.wav…. track_4.wav”. > > Repeater will automatically calculate its proprietary information the next > time it plays the loop. If the loops are not the exactly the same length, > track one will be used as the master loop length and the other loops will be > truncated to match. > > (2) Importing and Exporting loops from ACID to Repeater: > > To Export loops from ACID to Repeater - > > · First, mute the tracks you do not wish to export from ACID. > · Under FILE select EXPORT > · Save as a .WAV > · Select the export type “SAVE LOOP FILES AT PROJECT TEMPO” > > You can save the files to your hard drive then copy them onto the Repeater > CFC using the Importing to Repeater procedure. > > To Import Repeater loops into ACID, simply copy the Repeater tracks to your > hard drive. Rename them however you’d like, but keep the .WAV file > extension. ACID allows you to browse your hard drive and look for .WAV files > using the MEDIA EXPLORER, point to the Repeater files and ACID will ACIDize > when you SAVE AS under the Track tab of the properties page. > > (3) Importing and Exporting loops from Digital Performer to Repeater: > > Importing and exporting loops in and out of Digital Performer can be > accomplished by simply dragging and dropping the sound files of the SOUND > BITES window. Digital Performer expects the sound files to be in a .AIFF or > .SDII format. Use a utility like SoundApp, http://www.macdownload.com to > convert from .WAV to .AIFF. Be sure to follow the Repeater import procedure > outlined above when creating folders and tracks on the CFC. > > (4) Importing and Exporting loops from Cubase to Repeater: > > Importing and exporting loops in and out of Cubase can be accomplished by > using the Audio Pool. > > To Import audio into Cubase - > > · Activate the Pool window > · Select Import Audio from the pop-up File menu > · Select the file and click open. > > Macintosh Cubase users will have to convert their loops into .AIFF or .SDII > format. Use a utility like SoundApp, to convert from .WAV to .AIFF. > > To export a file - > > · Activate the Audio Pool window > · Select Export Segment from the pop-up Do menu. > · Save the file. If you are on a Mac convert it to the .WAV format. > > Be sure to follow the Repeater import procedure outlined above when creating > folders and tracks on the CFC with your new loop data. > > -- > > Well, that's about it regarding importing and exporting files to and from a > PC to a Repeater. > > I'm going to try and set up some loops with one or two 'prepped tracks'. By > using steps (2) and (1) from above. I could then use the copy function to > move and edit them as needed. I guess the one thing to remember is that if > (for instance) I load an Acidized loop onto track 1 of loop A, the tempo > that I select when exporting the track from Acid will be the true > tempo/length of the .wav file. If I tweak the tempo knob and decide to add > new tracks to the tempo altered loop, I think that means that the new .wav > files will be of a different length. Or will they? It might be necessary > to resample loops that are copied and then tempo shifted to establish a new > common .wav length for that loop... or maybe not. Whoa. I'm getting > confused. > > The other possibility is adding tracks to a loop that was first created on > the Repeater (as opposed to one that was manually created on my computer). > In this case, it's important to remember to resample any tracks that were > tempo or pitch shifted so that the selected tempo matches the true .wav > length. Then it's only a matter of Acidizing loops to the true tempo to > ensure a .wav length match and dumping the new .wav files into the loop > folder as per the naming convention described in section (1). > > I hope this helps. It helped me to write it all out! ;) I'm gonna pickup a > CFC reader sometime this weekend and try this out. I'll let you know how it > goes. > > BTW, this is my first looper. I messed around with a DL4 last year and > thought is was interesting. But this thing is awesome. The creative > potential is phenomenal. I am floating. I guess that makes me a true "next > generation" looper. Onward and upward. > > -- > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean [mailto:sean_@mindspring.com] > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 9:07 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Using tap tempo on Repeater > > How are you getting the repeater to recognize the files you're copying on > the card? Did you already have loops set up that were the same length as > the loops you're loading on the CFC? > > At 06:07 PM 2001/09/07 -0500, Tim wrote: > > >We had a blast. I'm downloading ACID Express as I type. I'm going to load > >some ambient textures onto my new 128M card (which formatted in about three > >seconds with NO problems). Does anyone know if there are any other ways to > >get .wav loop files on my PC onto my CFC with using a USB-CFC hookup? Or > is > >that the best bet? Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 14:35:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18304; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 14:13:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 14:13:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9A5D46.9A9F31F1@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 11:02:45 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: my first impression: repeater References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Interesting, I've been using it for a while and have not found either of those problems. Maybe you've got a malfunctioning unit? Brett Maraldo wrote: > the repeater is pretty amazing. however i also notice some clocking > problems: the 'dry' output seems to be a bit delayed from the source. > when i run a click through the repeater it's slightly delayed from > the original even when the repeater is sitting idle and just 'passing > through' the dry signal. not good. > > also, the midi clock grabber is pretty unstable. it's almost > impossible to cue up a loop and sync it to a midi sequence unless you > move the tracks around so they are in sync. maybe i'm doing something > wrong but it just won't sync up. > > if i record some tracks on the fly with the sequencer going it works ok. > > that clocking stuff should really be fixed. > > otherwise, the repeater is like having 4 jamman and then some! > > plexus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 14:42:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18523; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 14:19:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 14:19:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9A5EBB.22378A5B@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 11:08:59 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: h References: <00f201c1384a$bbbdd480$ea4e1597@a> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not sure I totally understood that, but welcome back to the list. Is it my imagination, or are their a lot of Italians on the list? I'd be curious to have a globe which pinpoints each looper. Could be there's a "loop belt" One thing I find very interesting is the disproportionate amount of loop based gigs here in the San Francisco Bay area compared to the amount of loopers. If only NYC didn't have those slushy winters... I miss the days when I could say "Coffee" (properly pronounced "Cawfy") and no one would flinch. Mark Sottilaro Fabio Brandi wrote: > Hi, > I am Fabio Brandì. This is the second time that I enroll me in this mailing. > The first time was silent. > I have discovered to be a looper after having listened "What means..." of > David Torn, my preferred musician. I like a lot to listen to Frisell, > Molvaer, Davis, Coltrane, Metheny, Zorn, Aarset etc. > Do I like to listen to music a lot (obviously?). Even if after sometime I > have discovered that was incapable entirely to copy the others. I have > stopped making cover after having understood (in truth very soon) that I > didn't want to reproduce other people's music and whether to repeat or to be > repeated annoyed me. That's why I believe to physiologically be a looper > Ah, I am guitarist and next time I eventually point out my instrumentation > to looping. > I apologize me for the length of mine first intrusion. > Regards > > Fabio Brandi > (un)relax From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 15:00:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19629; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 14:37:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 14:37:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9A62BB.768DC26A@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 11:26:03 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping pads and ambient sounds / likely repeater correction References: <20.1b953912.28cb6a7a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8kQ1_.A.clE.VKmm7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THANKS A LOT!!!!! Have you thought of making some extra cash on the side by helping companies like Electrix write their manuals? Which leads me into the next topic: Glib and friendly manuals. I, for one, hate them. Seems to me the Electrix folk seem more interested in being my friend, than imparting information to me in a succinct manner. This style is prevalent in the music tech world. I talked to a few people about this, and the consensus was: Get to the point. Put the marketing people in a cage during the manual writing part. We bought the thing already, don't keep selling it to us. Switch to helping us use it to it's fullest potential. I've got plenty of friendly pals, now I need a clear teacher. Does this bug anyone else on the list? Mark Sottlaro Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > ml writes, > >Steve- > >On the good ol' EDP, I think one of the best ways to do this is to end > >your > >loop recording by going directly to overdub, allowing the ambience/decay > >to > >"blur" over the initial loop boundary. > true! > > >With Repeater, you'll need to start with a blank loop already set up, as > >Repeater doesn't currently allow you to end record with overdub. > not true! > with repeater in 'overdub', hit 'record', then 'record' again. > also: > hitting 'record' whilst a new loop is 'cued' will put the new loop > immediately into 'record'. > best, > dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 15:01:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19606; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 14:37:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 14:37:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: A few musings on Repeater and EDP and the power of limits Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 11:19:36 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <5uNdwC.A.-kE.CKmm7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not paid by Electrix, but I have to re-iterate that those $99 effects are more than worth their rack space in gold inserted in the Repeater effects loop. Things get very thick, very fast! I am sympathetic to the notion of the power of limits, maximum music with minimal equipment, and have downsized several times, but now I'm learning, for the 1st time, to be comfortable with LOTS of options (and not feeling guilty because these pieces have been DIRT cheap). I've regretted selling some of my gear in the past...And these boxes look so good and create a great synergy. Psychologically, having all the effects run to a patch bay (un-normalled) liberates me from the 'have to use it all the time' mentality. I also have an EDP, and interestingly, getting the Repeater has made me appreciate the EDP more than ever (and *right on* to Kims email requesting more talk and tutorials on how to use loopers!). I used the 2 together for the 1st time, running the EDP with all syncing, quantizing and rounding off. In the name of 'limits', I guess, I have heretofore almost exclusively run the EDP with slave syncing, quantizing and rounding. Many of the ideas about using EDP, in conjunction with seeing the limits (in its current OS) of the Repeater, has inspired me to try more of the functions and break out of my rut. Having a loop run on the Repeater, and then just putting bits and pieces over it on the EDP, using my ear for the loop cycle lengths, led to some fruitful permutations and I think I'll work this way for a while before running the EDP in sync. Hope to hear more how people are using their loopers, since it seems many will have similar gear in their arsenal. Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Landman > And while replying to dt I have to say he was 100% right about the > pitch/time function on Repeater being a source of fascinating timbres. I'm > beginning to find some great blurbling, grinding, twittering sounds slowly > evolving down in these regions! An added bonus with ultra-slow, > pitchshifted up sounds in the range of 1 to 25 BPM is to feed 'em into a > long reverb, instant Jovian atmosphere drones! > > Best- > > Mark > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 15:07:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20093; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 14:45:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 14:45:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3B9A5D46.9A9F31F1@zerocrossing.net> References: <3B9A5D46.9A9F31F1@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 14:31:16 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: Re: my first impression: repeater Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com is your repeater syncing to midi from a sequencer? if you record something on the sequencer and then play it back and loop on the repeater, hit stop and then start does it sync up solid right from the start? mine doesn't. next, cue up a loop that you recorded in user sync mode. put it in midi sync and start the sequencer - does it snyc up solid? mine doesn't. plexus >Interesting, I've been using it for a while and have not found either of >those problems. Maybe you've got a malfunctioning unit? > >Brett Maraldo wrote: > >> the repeater is pretty amazing. however i also notice some clocking >> problems: the 'dry' output seems to be a bit delayed from the source. >> when i run a click through the repeater it's slightly delayed from >> the original even when the repeater is sitting idle and just 'passing >> through' the dry signal. not good. >> >> also, the midi clock grabber is pretty unstable. it's almost >> impossible to cue up a loop and sync it to a midi sequence unless you >> move the tracks around so they are in sync. maybe i'm doing something >> wrong but it just won't sync up. >> >> if i record some tracks on the fly with the sequencer going it works ok. >> >> that clocking stuff should really be fixed. >> >> otherwise, the repeater is like having 4 jamman and then some! >> >> plexus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 15:26:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22462; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 15:03:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 15:03:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 11:42:25 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: h In-reply-to: <3B9A5EBB.22378A5B@zerocrossing.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <00f201c1384a$bbbdd480$ea4e1597@a> <3B9A5EBB.22378A5B@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:08 AM -0700 9/8/01, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >Is it my imagination, or are their a lot of Italians on the list? Could it have anything to do with Giambattista Vico's theory of cyclic history? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 15:27:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22463; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 15:03:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 15:03:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 11:47:45 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Looping pads and ambient sounds / likely repeater correction In-reply-to: <3B9A62BB.768DC26A@zerocrossing.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20.1b953912.28cb6a7a@aol.com> <3B9A62BB.768DC26A@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:26 AM -0700 9/8/01, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >Glib and friendly manuals. I, for one, hate them. I, for two, agree with you. I especially hate the ones that use a lot of "dudelish" vocabulary. When I write technical documentation I assume the reader has a college degree and possibly two kids and a mortgage. If I'm wrong about that, and the reader is actually a 15-year-old high school dropout, then I'm still doing my part by exposing him/her to standard English. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 15:45:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23426; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 15:22:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 15:22:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010908150705.007e04e0@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 15:07:05 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Problems with LD website In-Reply-To: <102.897d109.28cb8264@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A couple of days ago I didn't get ANY posts, so I went to the site and saw that there had been at least 30 of them. So I thought I'd unsubscribe and re-subscribe; when I un-subbed, I got an automated message that said I wasn't on the list to begin with. I'm not sure if the problem is on the list end, or with my new ISP... -t At 10:17 AM 9/8/01 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 9/7/01 7:29:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mtman@cloud9.net >writes: > > > Also, I posted through the site, and my > > > >i had mentioned last week that i am not getting "all" posts and was also >wondering if something is amiss.....:)m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 15:48:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23723; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 15:25:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 15:25:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9A6DE5.83608F2B@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 12:13:40 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping pads and ambient sounds / likely repeater correction References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Maybe I spoke too soon. David, are you sure you don't have a beta version of the Repeater software that allows this? If I have a new loop cued (from Play), the moment I hit record, I'm in the new loop. The quote from the manual is: "Pressing Record when the unit is in the play mode will immediately start the unit recording to the new loop location." That's exactally what is seems to do, regardless of the overdub state. Also, when I'm in record, I can't cue up a new loop, so that's not the answer. I've re-read the manual, and unless I'm missing something, I'm not getting it. Mark Sottilaro Mark Landman wrote: > dt writes, > > > >>With Repeater, you'll need to start with a blank loop already set up, as > >>Repeater doesn't currently allow you to end record with overdub. > >not true! > >with repeater in 'overdub', hit 'record', then 'record' again. > >also: > >hitting 'record' whilst a new loop is 'cued' will put the new loop > >immediately into 'record'. > >best, > >dt / s-c > > This is an interesting point, certainly my feet or fingers aren't fast > enough to end recording by pushing record, then enter overdub by pushing it > again without introducing a noticeable gap, the very thing I'm trying to > eliminate. But, you guys out there with fancy midi control pedals could > program something that would spit the above control sequence out very fast > indeed... I'd be curious to hear how well that works... > > And while replying to dt I have to say he was 100% right about the > pitch/time function on Repeater being a source of fascinating timbres. I'm > beginning to find some great blurbling, grinding, twittering sounds slowly > evolving down in these regions! An added bonus with ultra-slow, > pitchshifted up sounds in the range of 1 to 25 BPM is to feed 'em into a > long reverb, instant Jovian atmosphere drones! > > Best- > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 15:54:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24282; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 15:31:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 15:31:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9A6F47.22763E53@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 12:19:35 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater sleep/wakeup bug References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I heard mention of people having trouble with the repeater after waking it up from a sleep state. I too have had problems. Failure to synch to midi, failure to record. Basically it stops working. Turning it off isn't a problem, as I have it in a power strip, but putting it to sleep and expecting your Repeater to wake up to a useful state seems very risky. I'm also having a problem with my Againinator, where upon wake up it refuses to do anything, and eats all the catfood. Has anyone else had these problems? Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 15:56:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24285; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 15:31:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 15:31:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9A6FDC.9F2337AD@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 12:22:03 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping pads and ambient sounds / likely repeater correction References: <20.1b953912.28cb6a7a@aol.com> <3B9A62BB.768DC26A@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey! I was a 15 year old highschool drop out! And look at me now! Duuuuuuuude! Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 11:26 AM -0700 9/8/01, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > >Glib and friendly manuals. I, for one, hate them. > > I, for two, agree with you. I especially hate the ones that use a lot > of "dudelish" vocabulary. When I write technical documentation I > assume the reader has a college degree and possibly two kids and a > mortgage. If I'm wrong about that, and the reader is actually a > 15-year-old high school dropout, then I'm still doing my part by > exposing him/her to standard English. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 16:05:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24757; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 15:42:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 15:42:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9A71EA.B30A6DA7@pathcom.com> Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 15:30:50 -0400 From: hutton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Importing and Exporting Repeater Loops (was:RE: Using tap tempo on Repeater) References: <3B9A5CC8.DD2C2E20@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is very helpful information ....... Thanks Guys! Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Judging by what Electrix as said about this topic, what I'd do is first, on the > Repeater, is to make a loop of a desired time. Leave it blank or put something > on it, doesn't matter. You'll have a silent loop, but a loop anyway. Bring it > into your favorite audio cruncher, and crunch away, copy and paste from other > files, whatever, just don't change the length of the loop or the name. Drag it > back to the CFC and viola, it should be there in it's new and improved state. > I just got my computer back up and running, so I'm going to try this later > today. Shouldn't matter, but I'm running all of this on the Mac OS. > > Mark Sottilaro > > Tim Goodwin wrote: > > > Sorry if my post was misleading, but I haven't loaded any pre-arranged loops > > onto the CFC yet. That's why I wanted to know my options. > > > > It's obvious that file sharing was one of the problems that Electrix was > > wrestling with this past year. For instance, last January's beta manual > > includes an "Importing Loops into Repeater" section, complete with an > > explanation of how to import and export loops to and from Acid, Cubase and > > Digital Performer. > > > > Here is a cut and paste of the material that they decided to edit from the > > final print. So use this at your own risk! ;) I am reprinting this because > > I think it may be of help to people. My apologies if I am violating any > > unspoken (or spoken) boundaries here...) I assume that some of these > > guidelines may not work because they were edited from the final manual. But > > who knows? Just don't blame me if following these directions makes your > > Repeater blow up. :) Maybe Damon can let us know what to avoid (if it's > > necessary to avoid any of the following...) > > > > Here goes (I added the section numbers for ease of reference): > > > > (1) Importing Loops Into Repeater: > > > > To create a new loop, simply - > > > > · Create a new folder in the Repeater directory. > > · Name the folder “Loop_###” where “###” is the Repeater loop number. > > · Drop up to four .WAV files in the folder. The files must be equal in > > length and in a 16 bit 44.1kHz mono format. > > · Use an audio editor to match the length of the loops if necessary. > > · Rename the tracks “track_1.wav…. track_4.wav”. > > > > Repeater will automatically calculate its proprietary information the next > > time it plays the loop. If the loops are not the exactly the same length, > > track one will be used as the master loop length and the other loops will be > > truncated to match. > > > > (2) Importing and Exporting loops from ACID to Repeater: > > > > To Export loops from ACID to Repeater - > > > > · First, mute the tracks you do not wish to export from ACID. > > · Under FILE select EXPORT > > · Save as a .WAV > > · Select the export type “SAVE LOOP FILES AT PROJECT TEMPO” > > > > You can save the files to your hard drive then copy them onto the Repeater > > CFC using the Importing to Repeater procedure. > > > > To Import Repeater loops into ACID, simply copy the Repeater tracks to your > > hard drive. Rename them however you’d like, but keep the .WAV file > > extension. ACID allows you to browse your hard drive and look for .WAV files > > using the MEDIA EXPLORER, point to the Repeater files and ACID will ACIDize > > when you SAVE AS under the Track tab of the properties page. > > > > (3) Importing and Exporting loops from Digital Performer to Repeater: > > > > Importing and exporting loops in and out of Digital Performer can be > > accomplished by simply dragging and dropping the sound files of the SOUND > > BITES window. Digital Performer expects the sound files to be in a .AIFF or > > .SDII format. Use a utility like SoundApp, http://www.macdownload.com to > > convert from .WAV to .AIFF. Be sure to follow the Repeater import procedure > > outlined above when creating folders and tracks on the CFC. > > > > (4) Importing and Exporting loops from Cubase to Repeater: > > > > Importing and exporting loops in and out of Cubase can be accomplished by > > using the Audio Pool. > > > > To Import audio into Cubase - > > > > · Activate the Pool window > > · Select Import Audio from the pop-up File menu > > · Select the file and click open. > > > > Macintosh Cubase users will have to convert their loops into .AIFF or .SDII > > format. Use a utility like SoundApp, to convert from .WAV to .AIFF. > > > > To export a file - > > > > · Activate the Audio Pool window > > · Select Export Segment from the pop-up Do menu. > > · Save the file. If you are on a Mac convert it to the .WAV format. > > > > Be sure to follow the Repeater import procedure outlined above when creating > > folders and tracks on the CFC with your new loop data. > > > > -- > > > > Well, that's about it regarding importing and exporting files to and from a > > PC to a Repeater. > > > > I'm going to try and set up some loops with one or two 'prepped tracks'. By > > using steps (2) and (1) from above. I could then use the copy function to > > move and edit them as needed. I guess the one thing to remember is that if > > (for instance) I load an Acidized loop onto track 1 of loop A, the tempo > > that I select when exporting the track from Acid will be the true > > tempo/length of the .wav file. If I tweak the tempo knob and decide to add > > new tracks to the tempo altered loop, I think that means that the new .wav > > files will be of a different length. Or will they? It might be necessary > > to resample loops that are copied and then tempo shifted to establish a new > > common .wav length for that loop... or maybe not. Whoa. I'm getting > > confused. > > > > The other possibility is adding tracks to a loop that was first created on > > the Repeater (as opposed to one that was manually created on my computer). > > In this case, it's important to remember to resample any tracks that were > > tempo or pitch shifted so that the selected tempo matches the true .wav > > length. Then it's only a matter of Acidizing loops to the true tempo to > > ensure a .wav length match and dumping the new .wav files into the loop > > folder as per the naming convention described in section (1). > > > > I hope this helps. It helped me to write it all out! ;) I'm gonna pickup a > > CFC reader sometime this weekend and try this out. I'll let you know how it > > goes. > > > > BTW, this is my first looper. I messed around with a DL4 last year and > > thought is was interesting. But this thing is awesome. The creative > > potential is phenomenal. I am floating. I guess that makes me a true "next > > generation" looper. Onward and upward. > > > > -- > > Tim > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Sean [mailto:sean_@mindspring.com] > > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 9:07 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: RE: Using tap tempo on Repeater > > > > How are you getting the repeater to recognize the files you're copying on > > the card? Did you already have loops set up that were the same length as > > the loops you're loading on the CFC? > > > > At 06:07 PM 2001/09/07 -0500, Tim wrote: > > > > >We had a blast. I'm downloading ACID Express as I type. I'm going to load > > >some ambient textures onto my new 128M card (which formatted in about three > > >seconds with NO problems). Does anyone know if there are any other ways to > > >get .wav loop files on my PC onto my CFC with using a USB-CFC hookup? Or > > is > > >that the best bet? Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 16:16:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25670; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 15:54:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 15:54:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010908153810.007e5830@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 15:38:10 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Looping pads and ambient sounds / likely repeater correction In-Reply-To: <3B9A62BB.768DC26A@zerocrossing.net> References: <20.1b953912.28cb6a7a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:26 AM 9/8/01 -0700, you wrote: >Which leads me into the next topic: Glib and friendly manuals. I, for one, >hate them... Does this bug anyone else on the list? I've seen quite a few dour and hostile ones that don't seem to impart the information any better. To me, it's not so much about the tone it's written in as the clarity of the instruction. The ones that bug me are the ones that were poorly translated from a foreign language. I swear that some companies try to save money and just use Babelfish... I'm not sure about the 'Peater, but if the manual is in the same style as the one for the Filter Queen, it's not so bad. It starts with connection instructions, moves to an overview of the controls, then a deeper explanation of what the controls actually do, then presents variations on the connection instructions which may be more appropriate for a user's personal setup, gives example settings, and lists the technical specs. While the tone remains pleasant throughout, the only part that I'd really characterize as 'glib' or salesmanlike is the Introduction page, and that's sort of to be expected anyway. Is the Repeater manual quite a bit 'glibber' throughout? -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 16:26:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27384; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 16:04:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 16:04:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 12:45:30 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Looping pads and ambient sounds / likely repeater correction In-reply-to: <3B9A6FDC.9F2337AD@zerocrossing.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20.1b953912.28cb6a7a@aol.com> <3B9A62BB.768DC26A@zerocrossing.net> <3B9A6FDC.9F2337AD@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:22 PM -0700 9/8/01, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >Hey! I was a 15 year old highschool drop out! And look at me now! > >Duuuuuuuude! Yeah, and I was a 20-year-old college dropout in the '60s, but then I went back to school for another eight years. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 16:48:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28632; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 16:25:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 16:25:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: FS-300 pedal and Repeater Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 15:11:51 -0500 Message-ID: <002901c138a2$7fc55220$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <005301c137e3$3c8f1b40$ad83abd4@giogio> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was reading through the Repeater manual and came to the conclusion that the 3 button footpedal is going to have to be reconfigured to be able to achieve the functionality that the manual describes. What the problem is was Electrix decision to include both the Stop and Play buttons as the same button. The manual says ... "Pressing Play when the unit is in the play state has the effect of continuing the play operation but immediately moving back to the start of the loop. (Get it?)" It also says, "Pressing Play when a new loop is being cued will engage the auto loop transition, pressing play again will engage the new loop immediately." And finally "From Play with Stop held" for a stutter effect The point of all this is that the manual was written with the application and ideas only from the viewpoint of someone controller the Repeater from the front panel, not from a 3 button FS-300 footswitch. If you press on the Play/Stop footswitch, you can't go back to the beginning because it causes the unit to Stop. If you press Play while a new loop is being cued, it will not engage the auto loop transition since it will cause the current loop to stop before the next one starts (since the button also engages "Stop"). And finally, you can't hold down the Play and Stop button at the same time to get the (as the manual states) ... "Stu, Stu, Stu, Stutter effects are created this way" I think the Repeater has the potential to be an incredible piece of gear, but I question whether it was designed for a DJ or a Musician? Regards, Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 17:02:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29323; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 16:39:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 16:39:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002901c138a2$7fc55220$6501a8c0@stevespc> References: <002901c138a2$7fc55220$6501a8c0@stevespc> Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 16:27:00 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: Re: FS-300 pedal and Repeater Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I think the Repeater has the potential to be an incredible piece of >gear, but I question whether it was designed for a DJ or a Musician? I think they tried to accommodate both. when i use the Repeater I get the feeling that I am using something born of a lot of blood, sweat, tears and passion! I have noticed some peculiarities with the way Repeater reacts to certain things but I get the feeling that Electrix spent a lot of time and money on getting to this point. What they are trying to accomplish with Repeater is pretty advanced and astounding! It works better than it could have had they released it earlier - its at least usable, but its not ideal - yet. Electrix needs to work on: the wet/dry thing, the whole sync thing, better support for CFCs, and some UI refinements. but of course they know all that and i am sure are busy working on the next revision. Thanks Electrix for having to vision to put an instrument like this together. It is more than i expected. Oh. The reason i am responding to the FS300 post is because I wanted to let you know I made my own FS300-like pedal. It works fine. if you want to know what to do, let me know. I will draw up a schematic and email it to you. its pretty easy: 3 switches, 2 diodes, some wire and a TRS plug. plexus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 17:15:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29871; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 16:52:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 16:52:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006e01c138a7$252414a0$6c964e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Freedom in limits Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 16:45:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006B_01C13885.9D0F0E60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C13885.9D0F0E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Steve wrote: I completely agree. There seems to be a part of my brain that is = consumed by the idea of new gear, new options, new toys -- and this is = legitimate, and fun. But I always have to bring it back to simplicity = -- I'm so inspired by Indian classical music, the idea of two or three = people playing for hours, exploring the ramifications of a simple idea = (melody and rhythm). =20 I agree. One of the great paradoxes in Indian classical music is the = sense of freedom within very narrowly defined limits. For example, the = melodic material in any raga consists of its notes, which are "written = in stone" and cannot be changed, added to, or removed; its melodic = contour, which must be followed rigorously in both non-metrical sections = as well as compositions (including the myriad improvisations played = within the compositions); and also a "pakar" ("catch") or characteristic = phrase that immediately identifies the raga (so as to distinguish it = from other ragas using the same scale). In addition, this all occurs = over a nonchanging tonic drone, and the raga never modulates into any = other key or tonal center. To a non-Indian musician all this seems = extremely hidebound and stultifying, but in Indian musical tradition it = becomes a challenge for the musician to be as creative as possible = *within* these limitations. One of the best analogies I ever heard in this regard went as follows: = Imagine a pie chart, which consists of the entire available range of = musical notes, phrases, interval combinations, etc. Now make two lines = to form a very thin slice within the circle. These are the "rules" that = govern a raga, so that there is an extremely limited amount of material = available. However, those two lines extend into infinity, so that what = initially appeared to be very limited can be greatly expanded, offering = a multitude of possibilities within those narrow borders. When = listening to great masters of Indian music this analogy really sinks in. = For example, some of the deepest, most serious ragas within the = tradition contain only five notes. Yet musicians have been playing = these ragas for hundreds of years and still making them new and = interesting. It's fascinating to watch a master performer take this = "limited" material and keep an audience spellbound for over an hour, = just on that single melody. ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C13885.9D0F0E60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: The power of limits - reply to = Max
Steve wrote:
I completely = agree.  There=20 seems to be a part of my brain that is consumed by the idea of new gear, = new=20 options, new toys -- and this is legitimate, and fun.  But I always = have to=20 bring it back to simplicity -- I'm so inspired by Indian classical = music, the=20 idea of two or three people playing for hours, exploring the = ramifications of a=20 simple idea (melody and rhythm). 
 
I agree.  One of the great paradoxes in = Indian=20 classical music is the sense of freedom within very narrowly defined=20 limits.  For example, the melodic material in any raga consists of = its=20 notes, which are "written in stone" and cannot be changed, = added to,=20 or removed; its melodic contour, which must be followed rigorously in = both=20 non-metrical sections as well as compositions (including the myriad=20 improvisations played within the compositions); and also a = "pakar"=20 ("catch") or characteristic phrase that immediately identifies = the=20 raga (so as to distinguish it from other ragas using the same = scale).  In=20 addition, this all occurs over a nonchanging tonic drone, and the raga = never=20 modulates into any other key or tonal center.  To a non-Indian = musician all=20 this seems extremely hidebound and stultifying, but in Indian musical = tradition=20 it becomes a challenge for the musician to be as creative as possible = *within*=20 these limitations.
 
One of the best analogies I ever heard in this regard went as=20 follows:  Imagine a pie chart, which consists of the entire = available range=20 of musical notes, phrases, interval combinations, etc.  Now make = two lines=20 to form a very thin slice within the circle.  These are the=20 "rules" that govern a raga, so that there is an extremely = limited=20 amount of material available.  However, those two lines extend into = infinity, so that what initially appeared to be very limited can be = greatly=20 expanded, offering a multitude of possibilities within those narrow=20 borders.  When listening to great masters of Indian music this = analogy=20 really sinks in.  For example, some of the deepest, most serious = ragas=20 within the tradition contain only five notes.  Yet musicians have = been=20 playing these ragas for hundreds of years and still making them new and=20 interesting.  It's fascinating to watch a master performer take = this=20 "limited" material and keep an audience spellbound for over an = hour,=20 just on that single melody.
 
------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C13885.9D0F0E60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 17:20:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30262; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 16:58:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 16:58:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: EDP mono in stereo mix Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 15:44:12 -0500 Message-ID: <002a01c138a7$0476e840$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How does one take a mono EDP and incorporate it into a stereo mix (without having the benefit of 2 EDPs)? Do you split the output and bring it back to the aux return bus as split mono? Do you bring it back as a mono signal to a single channel panned in the center? Thanks, Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 18:02:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00892; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 17:40:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 17:40:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 22:30:43 +0100 Subject: Re: h From: roberto To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4UlVHB.A.CH.B1om7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 8/9/01 7:42 pm, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote: > At 11:08 AM -0700 9/8/01, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >> Is it my imagination, or are their a lot of Italians on the list? > > Could it have anything to do with Giambattista Vico's theory of cyclic > history? It strikes me too, Italian seems to be (numerically) the second-best represented nationality on this list. Might it be a consequence of our passionate looping language, where the sound of words can be legitimately employed to create self-gratifying cycles...? Or Macchiavelli's inheritance of looped diagonal strategies? Or a sequence of 50 years of the same government changing approximately 60 times re-arranging in a different sequence the same people? Or the pleasure of watching the Mediterranean waves looping on the shore? I can think of many reasons, whether any would make sense I'm not sure. As it happens I am Italian too, and been in the loop for quite a few moons. Roberto ______________________________________________ Roberto Battista http://www.robat.scl.net http://www.robat.scl.net/lectures/index.shtm Tel. 0044 020 8449 1995 Mobile 0775 960 4344 ______________________________________________ http://www.rustyrobot.com independent on-line music distribution, the music you can't find elsewhere, hybrid, eclectic, world, looped, unusual... ______________________________________________ http://www.robat.scl.net/html/tibet/tibet.shtm an exciting project on technology applied to mobile education for developing countries and remote locations... ______________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 18:54:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04177; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 18:32:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 18:32:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: Repeater sleep/wakeup bug Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 15:24:17 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3B9A6F47.22763E53@zerocrossing.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 12:20 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater sleep/wakeup bug Hey, I heard mention of people having trouble with the repeater after waking it up from a sleep state. I too have had problems. Failure to synch to midi, failure to record. Basically it stops working. Turning it off isn't a problem, as I have it in a power strip, but putting it to sleep and expecting your Repeater to wake up to a useful state seems very risky. I'm also having a problem with my Againinator, where upon wake up it refuses to do anything, and eats all the catfood. Has anyone else had these problems? Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 18:55:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04176; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 18:32:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 18:32:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: MFC10 latency Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 15:24:15 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3B9A073C.7EAA7CA8@cloud9.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's great to hear. Someone emailed me privately and mentioned that it was an issue with their EDP. After searching the LD archives I discovered a brief thread that addressed this issue. Andy Butler said that he was going to use a TRS for certain functions to resolve the practical aspects of this problem. Of course, I'm hoping that there isn't an issue at all. I'll let you know how the MFC10 matches up with the Repeater. What units to you control with the MFC10? -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: Mountain Man [mailto:mtman@cloud9.net] Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 4:56 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: MFC10 latency Not sure what latency issue you're referring to, Tim. I've been using an MFC10 for a while and have never discovered any noticable latency. I'm using it in a limited way (a Record button, and a Play button) to control my Repeater - works just fine for me. Elby From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 19:04:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04550; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 18:41:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 18:41:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: Repeater sleep/wakeup bug Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 15:34:24 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3B9A6F47.22763E53@zerocrossing.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, I had some problems getting the Repeater to synch properly when jumping from mode to mode. This was, in fact, after I had "put it to sleep" earlier in the evening. I didn't even put the two together until you mentioned something. I will experiment some more and see if the 'sleeping" makes 'Peater groggy. But I'm still at a point of assuming that it's something I did (or didn't do) because I've only had it for a few days. I have already resolved a few problems that I assumed were bugs at first. -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 12:20 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater sleep/wakeup bug Hey, I heard mention of people having trouble with the repeater after waking it up from a sleep state. I too have had problems. Failure to synch to midi, failure to record. Basically it stops working. Turning it off isn't a problem, as I have it in a power strip, but putting it to sleep and expecting your Repeater to wake up to a useful state seems very risky. I'm also having a problem with my Againinator, where upon wake up it refuses to do anything, and eats all the catfood. Has anyone else had these problems? Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 19:14:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04939; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 18:51:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 18:51:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: FS-300 pedal and Repeater Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 15:44:30 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <002901c138a2$7fc55220$6501a8c0@stevespc> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you could program the TRS to control any three functions, what would they be? Play, Stop & Record? I have found the Undo function to be extremely useful and I'm sure that someone will find tap tempo function useful as well. I originally thought that the pedal controlled Play/Stop, Record and Tap. Since getting the unit I am very pleased with the default setup, but I too would like to be able to press two front panel buttons in unison to go into a TRS programming mode and toggle between a small set of control possibilities. I assume that would be possible. I already suggested this to them on the phone. -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: M. Steven Ginn [mailto:sginn@airmail.net] Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 1:12 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS-300 pedal and Repeater I was reading through the Repeater manual and came to the conclusion that the 3 button footpedal is going to have to be reconfigured to be able to achieve the functionality that the manual describes. What the problem is was Electrix decision to include both the Stop and Play buttons as the same button. The manual says ... "Pressing Play when the unit is in the play state has the effect of continuing the play operation but immediately moving back to the start of the loop. (Get it?)" It also says, "Pressing Play when a new loop is being cued will engage the auto loop transition, pressing play again will engage the new loop immediately." And finally "From Play with Stop held" for a stutter effect The point of all this is that the manual was written with the application and ideas only from the viewpoint of someone controller the Repeater from the front panel, not from a 3 button FS-300 footswitch. If you press on the Play/Stop footswitch, you can't go back to the beginning because it causes the unit to Stop. If you press Play while a new loop is being cued, it will not engage the auto loop transition since it will cause the current loop to stop before the next one starts (since the button also engages "Stop"). And finally, you can't hold down the Play and Stop button at the same time to get the (as the manual states) ... "Stu, Stu, Stu, Stutter effects are created this way" I think the Repeater has the potential to be an incredible piece of gear, but I question whether it was designed for a DJ or a Musician? Regards, Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 19:17:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05025; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 18:54:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 18:54:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: Looping pads and ambient sounds / likely repeater correction Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 15:46:56 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010908153810.007e5830@pop.metrocast.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I only found the manual to be on the "lean" side of things - not quite "glib", though. I was impressed at how small it was for such a powerful unit. You could lose it the junk mail if you're weren't careful. They are missing certain features in the manual though. I believe that checking available memory isn't even in there (holding stop and copy at the same time). But I'm not complaining. I still find myself flipping through the manual while I'm playing and I'm glad that it isn't the size of a phone book. -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: Tim Nelson [mailto:tnelson@metrocast.net] Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 12:38 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping pads and ambient sounds / likely repeater correction At 11:26 AM 9/8/01 -0700, you wrote: >Which leads me into the next topic: Glib and friendly manuals. I, for one, >hate them... Does this bug anyone else on the list? I've seen quite a few dour and hostile ones that don't seem to impart the information any better. To me, it's not so much about the tone it's written in as the clarity of the instruction. The ones that bug me are the ones that were poorly translated from a foreign language. I swear that some companies try to save money and just use Babelfish... I'm not sure about the 'Peater, but if the manual is in the same style as the one for the Filter Queen, it's not so bad. It starts with connection instructions, moves to an overview of the controls, then a deeper explanation of what the controls actually do, then presents variations on the connection instructions which may be more appropriate for a user's personal setup, gives example settings, and lists the technical specs. While the tone remains pleasant throughout, the only part that I'd really characterize as 'glib' or salesmanlike is the Introduction page, and that's sort of to be expected anyway. Is the Repeater manual quite a bit 'glibber' throughout? -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 19:22:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06602; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 19:00:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 19:00:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: h Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 15:52:00 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My ex-girlfriend is Italian-Sicilian. She was a very loopy person. We used to go around and around and around with each other. Very passionate. But enough to make me, well, loopy! ;) -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: roberto [mailto:roberto@nomade.worldonline.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 2:31 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: h on 8/9/01 7:42 pm, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote: > At 11:08 AM -0700 9/8/01, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >> Is it my imagination, or are their a lot of Italians on the list? > > Could it have anything to do with Giambattista Vico's theory of cyclic > history? It strikes me too, Italian seems to be (numerically) the second-best represented nationality on this list. Might it be a consequence of our passionate looping language, where the sound of words can be legitimately employed to create self-gratifying cycles...? Or Macchiavelli's inheritance of looped diagonal strategies? Or a sequence of 50 years of the same government changing approximately 60 times re-arranging in a different sequence the same people? Or the pleasure of watching the Mediterranean waves looping on the shore? I can think of many reasons, whether any would make sense I'm not sure. As it happens I am Italian too, and been in the loop for quite a few moons. Roberto ______________________________________________ Roberto Battista http://www.robat.scl.net http://www.robat.scl.net/lectures/index.shtm Tel. 0044 020 8449 1995 Mobile 0775 960 4344 ______________________________________________ http://www.rustyrobot.com independent on-line music distribution, the music you can't find elsewhere, hybrid, eclectic, world, looped, unusual... ______________________________________________ http://www.robat.scl.net/html/tibet/tibet.shtm an exciting project on technology applied to mobile education for developing countries and remote locations... ______________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 20:21:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09469; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 19:58:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 19:58:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.146.170.252] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP mono in stereo mix Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 19:45:34 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Sep 2001 23:45:34.0961 (UTC) FILETIME=[5AB28610:01C138C0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ve > Hi Steve, some things you can do post process just the looping signal. for example sometimes I run my EPD into a lexicon vortex. having the loop pan around the stereo field or just be chroused/delayed enough to spead out the loop to the extreme L&R leaves some space for your main signal in the center. or you can put your main signal at 10 o' clock on the pan & the loop at 2 o'clock. that way they are not on top of each other & again you can process the 2 signals indepently & have a nice stereo feel cheers LOU _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 20:25:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10771; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 20:03:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 20:03:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9AB0A6.E957D82F@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 17:09:19 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater sleep/wakeup bug References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim Goodwin wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 12:20 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Repeater sleep/wakeup bug > > Hey, > > I heard mention of people having trouble with the repeater after waking it > up > from a sleep state. I too have had problems. Failure to synch to midi, > failure to record. Basically it stops working. Turning it off isn't a > problem, as I have it in a power strip, but putting it to sleep and > expecting > your Repeater to wake up to a useful state seems very risky. I'm also > having > a problem with my Againinator, where upon wake up it refuses to do anything, > and eats all the catfood. Has anyone else had these problems? > > Mark Sottilaro no, but i seem to have a problem with all of my gear when I'VE just wakened from a *sleep* state. do you think there's a connection here? lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 21:11:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12904; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 20:48:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 20:48:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010908165553.0466da40@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 17:34:21 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: MFC10 latency In-Reply-To: References: <3B9A073C.7EAA7CA8@cloud9.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:24 PM 9/8/2001, Tim Goodwin wrote: >That's great to hear. Someone emailed me privately and mentioned that it >was an issue with their EDP. After searching the LD archives I discovered a >brief thread that addressed this issue. no, there is no issue with midi speed and the EDP. In fact the EDP is very fast in responding to midi. It has a very tight real-time architecture and is guaranteed to respond to any MIDI message within 1.5ms. In fact, it actually responds to midi faster than it does to it's own buttons, because we need to debounce buttons to make sure we know what is pressed. In the case of the buttons, the echoplex response is guaranteed to be less than 3ms. Either way it is less than you will likely perceive, and less than the accuracy you will likely have in pressing the buttons! In designing the EDP we considered very fast real-time response to be absolutely critical to looping. So this was always a high priority in the design. The JamMan is known to be rather slow in midi response though. As I recall of that past discussion, that was the device people were talking about in regards to the MFC-10, not the EDP. People determined it was actually the JamMan that was slow, when they initially thought their midi controller was slow. Andy seemed to think both were slow, as he wrote here: http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200102/msg00293.html >Andy Butler said that he was going >to use a TRS for certain functions to resolve the practical aspects of this >problem. that would have been in regards to the JamMan. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 21:33:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14788; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 21:11:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 21:11:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008f01c138ca$4c4dc940$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: <006e01c138a7$252414a0$6c964e0c@u73x0> Subject: Re: Freedom in limits Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 20:56:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008C_01C138A8.C4D77400" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008C_01C138A8.C4D77400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: The power of limits - reply to MaxAnother inspiring post James. So = full of truth. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley ------=_NextPart_000_008C_01C138A8.C4D77400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: The power of limits - reply to Max
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------=_NextPart_000_008C_01C138A8.C4D77400-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 22:28:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18078; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 22:05:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 22:05:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010908175759.045efec8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 18:50:47 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looping pads and ambient sounds / likely repeater correction In-Reply-To: <3B9A62BB.768DC26A@zerocrossing.net> References: <20.1b953912.28cb6a7a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:26 AM 9/8/2001, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >Which leads me into the next topic: Glib and friendly manuals. I, for one, >hate them. Seems to me the Electrix folk seem more interested in being my >friend, than imparting information to me in a succinct manner. This style >is prevalent in the music tech world. I talked to a few people about this, >and the consensus was: Get to the point. Put the marketing people in a cage >during the manual writing part. We bought the thing already, don't keep >selling it to us. Switch to helping us use it to it's fullest potential. >I've got plenty of friendly pals, now I need a clear teacher. Does this bug >anyone else on the list? Well, it's sure bugging me right now. Previously somebody asked a question regarding a problem using the Repeater together with the Echoplex. I tried to answer it by looking up some details about the Repeater's operation in the online manual, and couldn't find any specifics about that feature. So I couldn't answer the question. Then this weekend I decided I would take on the grand project of making a comparison chart between the features of different loopers, because so many people were asking about the differences between the repeater and the EDP. I hope to get into more details than just the bullet items in brochures. Again I got stuck with the repeater manual not having enough specifics. So the upshot is, I now own a repeater. Actually, I got two so I could see how well they work paired together, but I probably won't keep them both. Quite a bit more money than I had been planning to spend this afternoon! The things I do for this site, I tell ya. But since I own one now, I guess I get to complain along with the rest of you. I just opened the box and discovered it uses one of those annoying line lump power supplies that I despise. The only thing worse is the even more dreaded wall wart that takes up three outlets. At least the cable is reasonably thick, but it weighs about 10ozs. It's not anything standard I can get at radio shack either, so if that thing breaks or gets lost I guess you have to buy one direct from Electrix. I think this is my greatest pet-peeve about music gear. Professional gear should have well-designed, INTERNAL power supplies that support world-wide power systems and use the standard IEC plug. That way I can take it anywhere, and if the cable gets lost I can easily replace it anywhere. And don't give me any nonsense about agency approvals or audio noise, because I'm an electrical engineer, I've done this stuff, and I know for a fact that it's not that hard. enough of that rant. I'll go turn it on and hopefully things get better from here. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 00:01:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22496; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 23:38:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 23:38:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 23:26:26 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: Repeater: WAV files as loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just tried to get a WAV file onto a CFC and loop it on the Repeater. It didn't work. Just dropping a WAV file into a folder named Loopx where x is the loop number resulted in the folder being erased. What I tried next was to record a silent loop at the same tempo and duration as the WAV file. Then, delete the WAV that was created and drop in the WAV file I wanted to loop. The WAV played but it wasn't right: it seemed to be at 1/2 the pitch, but not quite. Seems like the obvious isn't going to work. One of the reasons i bought the Repeater was to loop WAVs I create elsewhere. Rev 1.2 of the manual said I could do this but the current manual (rev 1.3) doesn't. Disappointing. I am sure eventually someone will discover a process to get WAVs to loop properly. I'll keep trying. Electrix? Are you listening? :) - wet/dry mix - programmable TRS footswitch config - better clock syncing - the ability to loop arbitrary WAVs - sleep mode big fix - more CFC compatibility - what have i forgotten? plexus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 00:03:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22593; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 23:41:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 23:41:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca Message-Id: Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 23:28:19 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: Repeater: WAV files as loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <276BV.A.maF.zHum7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just tried to get a WAV file onto a CFC and loop it on the Repeater. It didn't work. Just dropping a WAV file into a folder named Loopx where x is the loop number resulted in the folder being erased. What I tried next was to record a silent loop at the same tempo and duration as the WAV file. Then, delete the WAV that was created and drop in the WAV file I wanted to loop. The WAV played but it wasn't right: it seemed to be at 1/2 the pitch, but not quite. Seems like the obvious isn't going to work. One of the reasons i bought the Repeater was to loop WAVs I create elsewhere. Rev 1.2 of the manual said I could do this but the current manual (rev 1.3) doesn't. Disappointing. I am sure eventually someone will discover a process to get WAVs to loop properly. I'll keep trying. Electrix? Are you listening? :) - wet/dry mix - programmable TRS footswitch config - better clock syncing - the ability to loop arbitrary WAVs - sleep mode big fix - more CFC compatibility - what have i forgotten? plexus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 00:11:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22789; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 23:48:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 23:48:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 23:36:35 -0400 Subject: Re: Echoplex Digital Pro Documentation Whining From: John Schumacher To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010906110000.04545eb0@loopers-delight.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 9/6/01 2:44 PM, "Kim Flint" wrote: > I think the EDP and the Repeater only compete in the minds of people who > really don't understand either device. Depending on what you are doing with > looping, one or the other is the obvious choice. But neither one of them is > a replacement for the other. I agree they don't compete. > > this has been real obvious lately on this list, where a lot of people have > bought the Repeater clearly thinking it was something different from what > it is. (the point Andre was trying to make and getting flamed for.) Those > people then put up feature wish lists for the Repeater that make it evident > what the really wanted was an Echoplex! If they had bought an EDP, they > would have the features they want. The things the Repeater excels at don't > appear to even be of interest to some of them, or are secondary. > > So why didn't they get an EDP? Probably this is also a case of poor > documentation also. The echoplex could use some clearer explanations of > what it does and the types of uses it excels at. That is rather lacking on > the Echoplex page of Looper's Delight right now, so I'll try to add more. I think a look at this statement from the opposite perspective is worth taking. I am (or was) an Echoplex user. Most satisfying piece of gear I ever bought next to my first guitar. No I didn't defect to buy a Repeater (financials and life shifts caused me to sell my echoplex). However, I can tell you why someone who might own an Echoplex might "not understand" enough to be tempted by the Repeater to be the their next looper. Its obvious the Echoplex as much as I love it could be improved on. The hardware has both survived the test of time and continued to be compelling. However, at the same time I can't help but think of what could be if Gibson/Trace-Elliot would feel compelled to release the EDP II. Not just a software update, but a next round on the hardware. So, forgive me for starting another how would I improve the EDP list... But I think it is worth pondering in the context of the release of the Repater. This is the list of reasons a "misinformed" echoplex user / potential buyer might be swayed to the dark side and want a repeater: 1) Stereo: The repeater's can work in Stereo. Sure the Echoplex can work in Stereo by getting two of them. Since the day I got my Echoplex I always wished I had two. I play a Roland vg-8 and layering the stereo output on the through the Echoplex just seemed like the ultimate setup. However, in total it would cost a street price of a little less than 3 times that of the Repeater. 2) Price - the cost of buying a second Echoplex has been as I already said the inhibitor to 1). I can imagine that a few people like myself, very satisfied with their mono echoplex, wanting Stereo and thinking about buying a second Echoplex to achieve it, have thought... Hmmmm... Maybe I will get a Repeater instead to satisfy that requirement and check out what this new device can do. 3) Persistence - being able to turn off your looper and turn it back on with your work still there. Huge!!!! 4) the ability to efficiently move data on and off the device via removable storage. The MIDI method is useless. Sure you can do it by playing it back and recording it... But the Repeaters method is much more efficient and elegant and I don't need additional equipment. 4) More Memory. Now in general the 3 minutes of the Echoplex loaded is generally enough for me. But I am an American and more is always better : ) But more seriously, the Echoplex as I bought it came with way too little memory. I didn't get one 3 or 4 years ago, I bought mine out of the first batches coming from Gibson. For the cost of the machine and cost of RAM today, there should have been no reason for gibson not to load the memory. I think they do now, but it was a pain in the butt getting what is now considered obsolete memory for the EDP. I know it was revolutionary and forward thinking at the time it was built, but we are talking about the EDP competing today. Don't get me wrong the EDP is still competitive, but this is no longer an advantage. 5) Digital connectors... Just mainsteam stuff in 2001. Most of my gear is now connected digitally, even my monitors are digital. Those were the initial big grabbers for me... However, things like being able to change tempo/pitch, additional numbers of tracks and loops all sound very tempting. Sure, I want everything the Echoplex does today and as people have pointed off the last 2 weeks, the Echoplex got a lot of stuff right. The intresting thing will be to see what folks will buy now that they can go into a store and sit down side by side and try both out. Which brings me to my final "temptation" of the Repeater over the EDP: 6) Advertising: The Echoplex although from this forums perspective may be a well known piece of gear... I think it is generally un-heard of. Maybe, I am wrong and just hang in the wrong circles. However, when I bought my first Echoplex it was 100% by being a watcher on this forum for months and going for it. I found the forum only because I heard Phil Keagy and decided I had to learn more about the Jamman. A web search brought me here and convinced me the EDP was the way to go. However, when I was thinking about it none of the dealers in my area or even the bigger on-line retailers I dealt with at the time actually carried the Echoplex. Zzounds listed it, but it wasn't available. I thought things would get better when Gibson re-released, but I still don't see any in the retail stores and Musician Friends is the first folks I have seen just recently start to carry it in their catalog. You go into a store and ask and it is likely the sales guy won't know what it is even if they can order it. However, the Repeater seems to have done a much better job getting some hype about its existence going beyond this forum. Guitar Center and Sam Ash in my town both claim they will be getting one in and on display. The first guy I talked to in both places actually knew what they were and was aware of the huge delays around them. Why do I care if the Echoplex gets advertised... Because it is a great piece of gear. Lots of people buying it inspires improvements in the software, hardware, and competition which I think is ultimately good for everyone. Further, when the guy interested in looping goes into the store to compare the EDP and the Repeater to find out he really wanted and EDP... Guess which one he is going to buy if the EDP isn't even there. It is clear from the talk in this forum the past couple of weeks that the Echoplex and repeater hit slightly different markets. But my own interest in the Repeater came from wanting the next version of the Echoplex. As I already said I just sold my Echoplex, not because of any desire to buy a Repeater or lack of love for my Echoplex, but because money got tight and it was on a low utilization path for the next couple of years because of changes in priorities around family and work. Someone commented that in 5 years I would be buying it back... And I agreed. But why not just leave it in the closet for 5 years... Well I personally hope that in 5 years Gibson/Trace-Elliot will have released EDP II and addressed some of my wish list items. If for no other reason, I welcome the Repeater. I hope it has got the folks at Gibson/Trace-Elliot thinking about what they need to do to continue to dominate this particular area. The Echoplex is such a forward thinking piece of equipment (even now). What would that team of folks (including Kim) do to propel us forward for the next 5 to 10 years... John From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 00:24:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA24437; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 00:02:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 00:02:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Mike McGary" To: Subject: RE: Looping pads and ambient sounds / likely repeater correction Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 22:48:07 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I believe that checking available memory isn't even in there [the manual] > (holding stop and copy at the same time). Page 8, end of description of the Copy button: "Press and hold COPY to see remaining record time" The Stop button isn't even needed. Mike McGary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 00:36:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25341; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 00:14:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 00:14:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Mike McGary" To: Subject: Repeater mix solution Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 23:01:11 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20.1b953912.28cb6a7a@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's something I've been doing. Use three tracks for loop content, and make the fourth track your current track without recording anything. Then you have faders for the three 'loop' tracks as well as your input sound (without having to mess with the input level settings you may have worked hard to set) Mike McGary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 01:38:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA29241; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 01:15:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 01:15:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <15d.b32500.28cc51ae@aol.com> Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 01:01:34 EDT Subject: Re: Problems with LD website To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_15d.b32500.28cc51ae_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_15d.b32500.28cc51ae_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/8/01 3:15:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tnelson@metrocast.net writes: > I'm not sure if the problem is on the > list end, or with my new ISP... > tim.....thanks, thats reassuring!.....:)m --part1_15d.b32500.28cc51ae_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/8/01 3:15:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
tnelson@metrocast.net writes:


I'm not sure if the problem is on the
list end, or with my new ISP...


tim.....thanks, thats reassuring!.....:)m --part1_15d.b32500.28cc51ae_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 01:55:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA29917; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 01:32:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 01:32:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <158.ad5c8f.28cc5636@aol.com> Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 01:20:54 EDT Subject: Re: Looping pads and ambient sounds / likely repeater correction To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_158.ad5c8f.28cc5636_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: <8uisSC.A.OMH.8wvm7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_158.ad5c8f.28cc5636_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/8/01 10:00:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes: > enough of that rant. I'll go turn it on and hopefully things get better > from here. :-) > > kim > ohhh.....sit back kiddies!, uncle kim is going to take us for a ride!.....yippeeeee.....:)m --part1_158.ad5c8f.28cc5636_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/8/01 10:00:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
kflint@loopers-delight.com writes:


enough of that rant. I'll go turn it on and hopefully things get better
from here. :-)

kim


ohhh.....sit back kiddies!, uncle kim is going to take us for a
ride!.....yippeeeee.....:)m --part1_158.ad5c8f.28cc5636_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 02:13:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA30602; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 01:49:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 01:49:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca Message-Id: Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 01:36:59 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: Repeater: Persistent Problems with Sync Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been experimenting with the Repeater and midi sync because i've been having problems getting the Repeater to sync up reliably to the sequencer. I have to report that it doesn't sync reliably and for all intents and purposes is almost useless. maybe it's just y set up? here's what i've got: mac 7300 upgraded to newertech G3/250, Logic Audio Platinum running midi clock and MTC out through iAC #1, IAC #1 is split off to a hardware interface channel using a 'midi thru' software tool that simply takes midi off an OMS software buss and splits it off to another OMS buss. This way I can have the clock on IAC running the software synth (Reason/ReBirth) and also driving the hardware (Repeater). If I drive Repeater either using the method above or directly from Logic, I still have the same problems. Further, if Repeater does sync up (either by luck or by stopping it and starting it on the downbeat) there are warbles in the tracks and the internal clock tries to sync to midi. Finally, the clock is going through the Repeater's thru jack to a MOFX which is also warbling on the delay. Hmmm... this makes me wonder if I have an unstable midi clock. I am going to go and run the MOFX directly from the midi cable without going through the Repeater... hang on.... ok, so the clock going to the MOFX is fine either direct or through the Repeater - the problem was the track I was using to check all this which is the bass track on track two of the factory loop one which has some pitch deviations recorded as part of the bass playing. that was throwing me off. but i still have the problem with the Repeater syncing up initially when i start the sequencer... sometimes it does it ok bu mostly it lags around and eventually syncs up but offset from the downbeat. i can get it sync up usually if i hit PLAY on the downbeat, but that's not usable in a live setting and a pain to accommodate for in a studio setting. plexus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 03:33:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03026; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 03:10:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 03:10:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010908234434.04596bf0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 23:55:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Problems with LD website In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010908150705.007e04e0@pop.metrocast.net> References: <102.897d109.28cb8264@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:07 PM 9/8/2001, Tim Nelson wrote: >A couple of days ago I didn't get ANY posts, so I went to the site and saw >that there had been at least 30 of them. So I thought I'd unsubscribe and >re-subscribe; when I un-subbed, I got an automated message that said I >wasn't on the list to begin with. I'm not sure if the problem is on the >list end, or with my new ISP... Tim, that problem was on your end, with your ISP. Your email address was bouncing messages back, so the list server automatically unsubscribed you. The bounces from your ISP said "Sorry, no mailbox here by that name." Nemoguitt wrote: > >i had mentioned last week that i am not getting "all" posts and was also > >wondering if something is amiss.....:)m Michael, so far as I know, there have been no problems recently with the LD server in sending out posts to the list. I also don't have any record of problems with your address. You could help me. Could you look in the archives and tell me which posts there are ones you did not get? thanks, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 03:57:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03822; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 03:34:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 03:34:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca Message-Id: Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 02:24:15 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: Repeater: Memory Left Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hold the COPY button down to check the available memory left internally, press again for CFC. Great. So what are these numbers?? Internally it says 125 and the 128Mb CFC says something like 2410. ??? plexus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 05:54:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA09746; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 05:31:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 05:31:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: Repeater: Memory Left Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 02:23:19 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The numbers are minutes and seconds separated by a decimal point. The internal CFC has a limit of 1.25 (1 minute & 25 seconds). My 128MB card has something like 24.48 (24 minutes & 48 seconds) when it is freshly formatted. -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: Brett Maraldo [mailto:plexus@sympatico.ca] Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 11:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater: Memory Left Hold the COPY button down to check the available memory left internally, press again for CFC. Great. So what are these numbers?? Internally it says 125 and the 128Mb CFC says something like 2410. ??? plexus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 06:03:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA09935; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 05:40:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 05:40:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: Repeater mix solution Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 02:33:23 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been doing the very same thing Mike. The track 4 fader controls the level of my live signal. It will be really nice to use expression pedals to control track levels from the floor too! -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: Mike McGary [mailto:mcgary@metronet.com] Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 9:01 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater mix solution Here's something I've been doing. Use three tracks for loop content, and make the fourth track your current track without recording anything. Then you have faders for the three 'loop' tracks as well as your input sound (without having to mess with the input level settings you may have worked hard to set) Mike McGary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 06:44:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA12405; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 06:21:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 06:21:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: MFC10 latency Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 03:13:29 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010908165553.0466da40@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That is great to hear. I will have to see how the MFC10 responds to the JamMan 'module' in the G2. But I am most concerned about the getting the Repeater to respond well. I think there is a TRS option on the G2 that I can use to work around any potential latency problems with the JamMan module. One more time... Is anyone using the MFC10 to control a Repeater? I guess I'll know soon enough. -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 5:34 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: MFC10 latency At 03:24 PM 9/8/2001, Tim Goodwin wrote: >That's great to hear. Someone emailed me privately and mentioned that it >was an issue with their EDP. After searching the LD archives I discovered a >brief thread that addressed this issue. no, there is no issue with midi speed and the EDP. In fact the EDP is very fast in responding to midi. It has a very tight real-time architecture and is guaranteed to respond to any MIDI message within 1.5ms. In fact, it actually responds to midi faster than it does to it's own buttons, because we need to debounce buttons to make sure we know what is pressed. In the case of the buttons, the echoplex response is guaranteed to be less than 3ms. Either way it is less than you will likely perceive, and less than the accuracy you will likely have in pressing the buttons! In designing the EDP we considered very fast real-time response to be absolutely critical to looping. So this was always a high priority in the design. The JamMan is known to be rather slow in midi response though. As I recall of that past discussion, that was the device people were talking about in regards to the MFC-10, not the EDP. People determined it was actually the JamMan that was slow, when they initially thought their midi controller was slow. Andy seemed to think both were slow, as he wrote here: http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200102/msg00293.html >Andy Butler said that he was going >to use a TRS for certain functions to resolve the practical aspects of this >problem. that would have been in regards to the JamMan. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 07:20:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA13351; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 06:57:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 06:57:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9B6265.54101645@vtx.ch> Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 12:36:53 +0000 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Re: Repeater sleep/wakeup bug References: <3B9AB0A6.E957D82F@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com lance glover wrote: SNIP > > but i seem to have a problem with all of my gear when I'VE just wakened from a > *sleep* state. do you think there's a connection here? > > lance g. Need some hormons ?? (smiling humanoid face drawn with asci caracters trying to picture the big smile I'm having on my face right now) Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 07:53:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA15446; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 07:30:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 07:30:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: Introduction - new on this list Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 13:17:38 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3B9B6265.54101645@vtx.ch> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I was recommended this list when asking about looping hardware on the Logic-User-Group, and I can already see the loopers list being of great value to me :) I started playing out with the first generation digital loop delays that came out in the early eighties, but they all broke down after some years. Since then I have been renting a JamMan whenever such a gig comes around. But this year I see some important gigs coming up and I would like to buy some permanent looping equipment. Right now I cannot say which one will work best for me, EDP or Repeater, but I'm hoping to read from you all how you are using these devices. As for me, I'm interested in using loopers as being an improvising musician, not a DJ. I will soon get to play around with a Repeater for a couple of weeks, for writing a review on it in a guitar magazine, but I have no chance to try an EDP. Oh, I almost forgot to tell that I'm based in Sweden. Another list minority ;) Regards Per Boysen http://www.boysen.se From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 08:03:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA15749; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 07:40:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 07:40:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <9.1b19e3e0.28ccac49@aol.com> Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 07:28:09 EDT Subject: Re: Looping pads and ambient sounds / likely repeater correction To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mark landman said: >This is an interesting point, certainly my feet or fingers aren't fast >enough to end recording by pushing record, then enter overdub by pushing >it >again without introducing a noticeable gap, the very thing I'm trying to >eliminate. apparently, ya missed a l'il bit of my point: if repeater is in *overdub* mode *before* ye begin recording, then: ending *record* w/another *record command* commences *overdub*. so ifya leave the repeater in *overdub* as a default-state, there are no extra button-presses. >And while replying to dt I have to say he was 100% right about the >pitch/time function on Repeater being a source of fascinating timbres. >I'm beginning to find some great blurbling, grinding, twittering sounds slowly >evolving down in these regions! An added bonus with ultra-slow, >pitchshifted up sounds in the range of 1 to 25 BPM is to feed 'em into >a long reverb, instant Jovian atmosphere drones! indeed: great resource. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 10:51:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24463; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 10:29:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 10:29:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002e01c13939$e3398000$a54528d5@a123456789> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <002301c131fc$86bae740$51cec22b@cambmaya04> <3.0.6.32.20010831164524.00985de0@mail.dragonet.es> <003a01c13242$8f46d9a0$6eb51597@z3v3u4> Subject: Re:Slightly OT, (or is it ?) - mouse to midi ? Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 15:15:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <3QI9vB.A.j3F.xn3m7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Guys, On the cadge gain I'm afraid. Does anyone know of a utility that converts mouse movements, (computer mouse obviously - not rodent droppings) to midi info ? I'm thinking of trying to convert my laptop mousepad into a sort of kaos pad type of thing without spending any money. Cheers, Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 11:00:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24904; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 10:38:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 10:38:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 10:26:39 -0400 From: David Kenzik To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater: WAV files as loops Message-ID: <20010909102639.N4427@over.react.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from plexus@sympatico.ca on Sat, Sep 08, 2001 at 11:28:19PM -0400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Brett Maraldo said... > I am sure eventually someone will discover a process to get WAVs to > loop properly. I'll keep trying. > > Electrix? Are you listening? :) I posted a message on the Electrix Repeater user-forum, asking if they had any intentions of releasing any information about their proprietary files (.ldf and .tdf). I suspect that if these specifications are opened up it would make it much easier to accomplish importing, since these files 'bind' the WAVs to the Repeater. I also suspect a utility can be written in an evening that 'preps' normal WAVs for use with the Repeater. The response from an apparent Electrix employee was non-commital, of course. I'm willing to start the reverse-engineering, I've simply been waiting for a definitive answer from Electrix regarding opening their specifications, or of course offering importing of WAVs (like the pre-release manual suggests) in the next release. I find it very strange that this feature existed (at least in the sense that they documented it), but then prohibited it for release. I can't seem to grok the reasoning from a business perspective either-- it would encourage more use, and more sales. -- David S. Kenzik david@kenzik.com - http://kenzik.com Original Music - http://kenzik.com/music From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 11:08:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA25438; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 10:45:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 10:45:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 10:33:39 -0400 From: David Kenzik To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Importing and Exporting Repeater Loops (was:RE: Using tap tempo on Repeater) Message-ID: <20010909103339.O4427@over.react.net> References: <3B9A5CC8.DD2C2E20@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3B9A5CC8.DD2C2E20@zerocrossing.net>; from sine@zerocrossing.net on Sat, Sep 08, 2001 at 11:00:40AM -0700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Sottilaro said... > Judging by what Electrix as said about this topic, what I'd do is first, on the > Repeater, is to make a loop of a desired time. Leave it blank or put something > on it, doesn't matter. You'll have a silent loop, but a loop anyway. Bring it > into your favorite audio cruncher, and crunch away, copy and paste from other > files, whatever, just don't change the length of the loop or the name. Drag it > back to the CFC and viola, it should be there in it's new and improved state. > I just got my computer back up and running, so I'm going to try this later I tried this today. Perhaps I'm just not as proficient with Sound Forge as someone else, but I couldn't get this to totally work (of course I only spent about 10 minutes on it, and then succombed to the EDPs). If anyone can get this method working with Sound Forge 5, would you be so kind to followup with some tips to copy a WAV opened in another window, and paste it to the TRACKx.WAV, but binding it to the TRACKx.WAV's length/time? -- David S. Kenzik david@kenzik.com - http://kenzik.com Original Music - http://kenzik.com/music From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 11:26:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA25871; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 10:53:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 10:53:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 10:41:39 -0400 From: David Kenzik To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Slightly OT, (or is it ?) - mouse to midi ? Message-ID: <20010909104139.P4427@over.react.net> References: <002301c131fc$86bae740$51cec22b@cambmaya04> <3.0.6.32.20010831164524.00985de0@mail.dragonet.es> <003a01c13242$8f46d9a0$6eb51597@z3v3u4> <002e01c13939$e3398000$a54528d5@a123456789> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <002e01c13939$e3398000$a54528d5@a123456789>; from whiteoakstudios@supanet.com on Sun, Sep 09, 2001 at 03:15:31PM +0100 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com whiteoakstudios said... > Does anyone know of a utility that converts mouse movements, (computer mouse > obviously - not rodent droppings) to midi info ? > I'm thinking of trying to convert my laptop mousepad into a sort of kaos pad > type of thing without spending any money. If you know how to program in Java 2, this can probably be done without a ton of effort. I believe Java 2 1.4 has the javax.sound.midi packages now. -- David S. Kenzik david@kenzik.com - http://kenzik.com Original Music - http://kenzik.com/music From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 11:56:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28853; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 11:33:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 11:33:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <161.8f7663.28cce2be@aol.com> Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 11:20:30 EDT Subject: Re: Problems with LD website To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_161.8f7663.28cce2be_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_161.8f7663.28cce2be_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/9/01 3:24:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes: > Could you look in the archives and tell me which posts > there are ones you did not get? > kim.....i will gladly do this.....it seemed i was getting posts answering questions that were not asked.....ill go look.....thanks.....:)m --part1_161.8f7663.28cce2be_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/9/01 3:24:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
kflint@loopers-delight.com writes:


Could you look in the archives and tell me which posts
there are ones you did not get?


kim.....i will gladly do this.....it seemed i was getting posts answering
questions that were not asked.....ill go look.....thanks.....:)m --part1_161.8f7663.28cce2be_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 12:02:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29027; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 11:38:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 11:38:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9B1A0D.9605111@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 07:28:15 +0000 From: joe & sheila Reply-To: onelonecrow@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Slightly OT, (or is it ?) - mouse to midi ? References: <002301c131fc$86bae740$51cec22b@cambmaya04> <3.0.6.32.20010831164524.00985de0@mail.dragonet.es> <003a01c13242$8f46d9a0$6eb51597@z3v3u4> <002e01c13939$e3398000$a54528d5@a123456789> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7jy56C.A.v_G.Gp4m7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You might try a search on Laurie Spiegel. She wrote a program called "Music Mouse" that I believe does exactly what your trying to do. good luck joe whiteoakstudios wrote: > Hi Guys, > On the cadge gain I'm afraid. > Does anyone know of a utility that converts mouse movements, (computer mouse > obviously - not rodent droppings) to midi info ? > I'm thinking of trying to convert my laptop mousepad into a sort of kaos pad > type of thing without spending any money. > > Cheers, > > Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 12:20:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29972; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 11:57:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 11:57:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010909104139.P4427@over.react.net> References: <002301c131fc$86bae740$51c ec22b@cambmaya04> <3.0.6.32.20010831164524.00985de0@mail.dragonet.es> <003a01c13242$8f46d9a0$6eb51597@z3v3u4> <002e01c13939$e3398000$a54528d5@a123456789> <20010909104139.P4427@over.react.net> Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 11:43:58 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Slightly OT, (or is it ?) - mouse to midi ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >If you know how to program in Java 2, this can probably be done without a >ton of effort. I believe Java 2 1.4 has the javax.sound.midi packages now. Java 1.4 is still in Beta... I'd be careful were I you. javax.sound.midi is included in 1.3, anyway! There is a good document in the 1.4 specs about Java sound... http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4/docs/guide/sound/programmer_guide/contents.html I think very little has changed between 1.3 and 1.4 so you should be safe using this. /t (NB: If you are on Mac OS 9.x, you can only get Java 1.1 so you are out of luck....) .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 12:21:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30008; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 11:58:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 11:58:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010909104139.P4427@over.react.net> References: <002301c131fc$86bae740$51c ec22b@cambmaya04> <3.0.6.32.20010831164524.00985de0@mail.dragonet.es> <003a01c13242$8f46d9a0$6eb51597@z3v3u4> <002e01c13939$e3398000$a54528d5@a123456789> <20010909104139.P4427@over.react.net> Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 11:45:48 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Slightly OT, (or is it ?) - mouse to midi ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com has the sound guide for Java 1.3... .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 13:03:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00746; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 12:41:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 12:41:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <150.b7af9b.28ccf28f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 12:27:59 EDT Subject: Repeater record/ overdub To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 9/9/01 11:32:55 AM, Hedewa7@aol.com writes: << apparently, ya missed a l'il bit of my point: if repeater is in *overdub* mode *before* ye begin recording, then: ending *record* w/another *record command* commences *overdub*. so ifya leave the repeater in *overdub* as a default-state, there are no extra button-presses. >> Mayby this is a midi footcontroller thing? I've tried the "*overdub* mode *before* ye begin recording" thing and the result is the same - hitting "record" to end your first pass puts the unit in play mode and not "record"/ "overdub" - at least on the unit I've got. - Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 13:40:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03434; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 13:18:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 13:18:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <8e.1ab9ce7b.28ccfb52@aol.com> Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 13:05:22 EDT Subject: Repeater first time out To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Did a gig at "Borders Books/ Music" (Marlton, NJ) Fri night (trio "Adelante": me - guitar/textures, J. Janetta- drums, Dan Ott - horns) and had Repeater in the Loop Rig. Worked flawlessly for what I did with it - albeit no syncing/tap tempo adjusting. Made good use of the multi track recording/ bouncing thing - liked pre-arming a track to a pitch shifted state, recording to the track with the volume slider off, then bringing the volume of the pitched shifted (usually high twinkly things) track up into the mix. Also violated my ethical stance of never using anything pre - recorded and used a couple things I'd done in "Metasynth" as starting points via the CFC card. One thing that would be nice as a Repeater feature, would be the abililty to non - destructively fade tracks/ loops as with Jamman. You can fade an individual track by bypassing Repeater, nocking back the feedback level, and putting it in "record/overdub" mode (DT mentioned this earlier). The other tracks will not fade until put into "record"/"overdub". Not too elegant of a way to do it but workable nonetheless. (BTW: Presently my Loop Rig consists of three loop lines 1) Repeater, 2) DL4, 3) RDS 8000/Vortex combo. The juggling of the overlapping independant loops is "it".) - Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 13:56:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03960; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 13:31:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 13:31:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <145.150741b.28ccfe45@aol.com> Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 13:17:57 EDT Subject: Re: Repeater first time out correction To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 9/9/01 5:09:51 PM, PMimlitsch@aol.com writes: << One thing that would be nice as a Repeater feature, would be the abililty to non - destructively fade tracks/ loops as with Jamman. >> The midi fade thing IS destructive on the Jamman - I'd like it to be non destructive (or optionally destructive) on Repeater. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 14:31:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07107; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 14:08:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 14:08:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 10:55:58 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Slightly OT, (or is it ?) - mouse to midi ? In-reply-to: <3B9B1A0D.9605111@earthlink.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: onelonecrow@earthlink.net, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <002301c131fc$86bae740$51cec22b@cambmaya04> <3.0.6.32.20010831164524.00985de0@mail.dragonet.es> <003a01c13242$8f46d9a0$6eb51597@z3v3u4> <002e01c13939$e3398000$a54528d5@a123456789> <3B9B1A0D.9605111@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:28 AM +0000 9/9/01, joe & sheila wrote: >You might try a search on Laurie Spiegel. >She wrote a program called "Music Mouse" >that I believe does exactly what your trying to do. http://retiary.org/ls/programs.html http://order.kagi.com/cgi-bin/r1.cgi?R7&& http://retiary.org/ls/ -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 14:56:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08201; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 14:32:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 14:32:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: Looping pads and ambient sounds / likely repeater correction Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 14:17:22 -0500 Message-ID: <01c13964$0d7b9400$446b580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snippies > >>And while replying to dt I have to say he was 100% right about the >>pitch/time function on Repeater being a source of fascinating timbres. >>I'm beginning to find some great blurbling, grinding, twittering sounds >slowly >>evolving down in these regions! An added bonus with ultra-slow, >>pitchshifted up sounds in the range of 1 to 25 BPM is to feed 'em into >>a long reverb, instant Jovian atmosphere drones! >indeed: >great resource. >best, >dt / s-c yummm, just received the RPT on Toosday and must comment on that list bit: very nice to crunch the loop(s) and pitch em down, then bring up the tempo in (certain*) interval steps in relation to the pitch shift, going all the way up and back down to tweeze it slow and spin it into reverse at or about a tempo of 3.3 ya get that Hendrix uni-fuzz-out sound that makes me giggle. oh another comment, cool, my first sampler! tis not a delay unit in my ears, hands, feet just yet, but that's okay, I intended to use it for blender like madness! PedrOOrdeP PS: i've got an EDP also and the EDP and RPT are about as different as K. Hamsun and H. Miller, both really great (!) and one would not have been the same (RPT/Miller) without the other (EDP/Hamsun), an oversimplification, but my rack sits by the book case :) pf From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 15:29:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10750; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 15:06:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 15:06:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 11:55:01 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater record/ overdub From: Mark Sottilaro To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <150.b7af9b.28ccf28f@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 9/9/01 9:27 AM, PMimlitsch@aol.com at PMimlitsch@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 9/9/01 11:32:55 AM, Hedewa7@aol.com writes: > > << apparently, ya missed a l'il bit of my point: > if repeater is in *overdub* mode *before* ye begin recording, then: > ending *record* w/another *record command* commences *overdub*. > so ifya leave the repeater in *overdub* as a default-state, there are no > extra button-presses. >> > > Mayby this is a midi footcontroller thing? I've tried the "*overdub* mode > *before* ye begin recording" thing and the result is the same - hitting > "record" to end your first pass puts the unit in play mode and not "record"/ > "overdub" - at least on the unit I've got. - Paul > Yeah, I get the same thing. Unless I'm totally missing the point (which has been known to happen), there's no combonation of button presses that I can use to make this thing cue up a new loop and go into record when the old one is done. I've been through the manual and nowhere could I find something that even mentioned doing this. So, anyone from electrix reading this thread? Am I missing something, or does Dave have a different version of the Repeater OS that gives him functionality that we don't have. Yeah! That must be it! I bet if I only had those extra features, Bowie would have asked me to be on his next album! Damn! OT, David, have those sessions started yet? I'm VERY psyched to hear the end result, as both a Bowie and Torn fan. I think it'll be a great mix. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 16:37:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14897; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 16:14:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 16:14:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9B5A5C.94FCC2E3@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 12:02:37 +0000 From: joe & sheila Reply-To: onelonecrow@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater record/ overdub References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Unless I'm missing the point. you press record to start a loop, (repeater in overdub mode )then press play to end loop. Then quickly hit record again to continue ... overdubbing. joe Mark Sottilaro wrote: > on 9/9/01 9:27 AM, PMimlitsch@aol.com at PMimlitsch@aol.com wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 9/9/01 11:32:55 AM, Hedewa7@aol.com writes: > > > > << apparently, ya missed a l'il bit of my point: > > if repeater is in *overdub* mode *before* ye begin recording, then: > > ending *record* w/another *record command* commences *overdub*. > > so ifya leave the repeater in *overdub* as a default-state, there are no > > extra button-presses. >> > > > > Mayby this is a midi footcontroller thing? I've tried the "*overdub* mode > > *before* ye begin recording" thing and the result is the same - hitting > > "record" to end your first pass puts the unit in play mode and not "record"/ > > "overdub" - at least on the unit I've got. - Paul > > > > Yeah, I get the same thing. Unless I'm totally missing the point (which has > been known to happen), there's no combonation of button presses that I can > use to make this thing cue up a new loop and go into record when the old one > is done. I've been through the manual and nowhere could I find something > that even mentioned doing this. > > So, anyone from electrix reading this thread? Am I missing something, or > does Dave have a different version of the Repeater OS that gives him > functionality that we don't have. Yeah! That must be it! I bet if I only > had those extra features, Bowie would have asked me to be on his next album! > Damn! > > OT, David, have those sessions started yet? I'm VERY psyched to hear the > end result, as both a Bowie and Torn fan. I think it'll be a great mix. > > Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 16:53:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15533; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 16:31:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 16:31:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 13:25:24 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: Repeater: Persistent Problems with Sync Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Brett Maraldo wrote: >I've been experimenting with the Repeater and midi sync because i've >been having problems getting the Repeater to sync up reliably to the >sequencer. I have to report that it doesn't sync reliably and for all >intents and purposes Repeater has some "issues" in recording while slaved to midi clock. Below are some snippets from Electrix's Forum, where users were complaining about Repeaters midi clock sync being totally wonky; ---------------------------------------------------------------------- o.k. Randy the saga continues, I have done the test with the drum machine and you are right, this is a different issue than the phase alignment I was rattling on about. It does seem like there is a very minute shift that can occur at the start point of the loop. This is not perceptible when sampling from live playing so I wouldn't worry about guitar applications Todd. Repeater will sync up fine. This seems to only be a problem with full kit drum loops sampled from a drum machine or other mechanically tight timing source. So yes, an issue for drum loops in a Techno application. I will ask our braniacs to look at this issue. IP: Logged damon Moderator posted 09-05-2001 11:02 AM Furtherer investigation has revealed the following: 1. The shorter the loop the coarser the resolution. If your tempo is above 120 BPM I would suggest capturing 2 or 4 bars. 1 bar won't be very precise because of Repeaters resolution of the start and stop points of the loop. 2. loops made purely in user mode and played back at the native tempo seem to be fine. 3. Loops recorded in beat detect at fast tempos that are 4 bars or longer seem to work a lot better. 4. MIDI sync quatizing of the initial record to some drum machines can be funky. This is a definite issue (don't know yet if it's Repeater or the quality of some MIDI outputs). A loop will generally synchronize to the MIDI but quantizing the recording to the same MIDI seems to have some issues. Try beat detect or user mode and record about 4 bars and see what kind of results you get. (total phase alignment is a separate issue) We will keep looking at the issue. IP: Logged damon Moderator posted 09-05-2001 04:16 PM More info on this issue. There is actually a bug with our MIDI sync record quantization. Yes we are now looking at this for the next OS release. (Thanks for the persistence Randy). Pressing start on the drum machine does not define the downbeat of an empty loop. (It will start a full loop). This means Repeater is receiving the tempo properly but the beat location might be wrong. This is effecting the quantization so if the beat location is half off you might miss half a beat of your loop. This would create a "very bad DJ effect". This should be easy for us to fix. This will not fix "phase alignment" of similar waveforms. MIDI sync after a loop is recorded works. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Good news is the problem evidently has been identified, and Electrix is working to fix it for the next O.S. release. I do feel sorry for Don Goodeve and his crew, as after all this work it must be tough to have to jump right back into fixing things without getting some sort of short vacation first... Best- Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 18:17:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21488; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 17:54:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 17:54:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010909133837.0456efb8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 14:40:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looping pads and ambient sounds / likely repeater correction In-Reply-To: <9.1b19e3e0.28ccac49@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:28 AM 9/9/2001, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: >mark landman said: > >This is an interesting point, certainly my feet or fingers aren't fast > >enough to end recording by pushing record, then enter overdub by pushing > >it > >again without introducing a noticeable gap, the very thing I'm trying to > >eliminate. >apparently, ya missed a l'il bit of my point: >if repeater is in *overdub* mode *before* ye begin recording, then: >ending *record* w/another *record command* commences *overdub*. >so ifya leave the repeater in *overdub* as a default-state, there are no >extra button-presses. David- I think you should go check this, cause my Repeaters definitely do not work this way! What you are saying to do just ends record, but does not leave overdub on. You have to press record again for overdub to come on. The overdub button on repeater doesn't turn overdub on or off, it just determines whether the overdub mode is "overdubbing" or "replacing". So that button is more of a parameter setting and not a function, which is not very obvious if you don't study the manual before using repeater, as I discovered. Having it in Overdub mode doesn't make any difference for this case. When you have a loop playing, you turn overdub on and off with the Record button. (the crux of the problem, I think.) So when you are Overdubbing, the Record button is lit up same as when you are initially recording the loop. The "overdub" light doesn't tell you if you are actually overdubbing or not which is a bit confusing. Basically, the Repeater seems to think of Recording and Overdubbing as the same thing. When you are recording a loop and end recording with a press of Record, it is also like ending overdub. The Record (overdub) LED goes off, and you are not overdubbing (recording) again until you turn it on again. In fact, you can't even go into overdub very quickly with a quick second press of Record. If you press Record again quickly after you finish recording a loop the display shows "NOT READY" !!! Not ready? not ready for what? Anyway, you will wait a good second before that display goes off and then you can push Record again to get Overdub to come on. And no, it doesn't remember that you already told it to go into overdub and just do that when it is finally ready, you have to press it again. So if you push it too early you are going to get a big gap while you wait for this display to clear plus however much longer after that your reaction time is to press the record button again. How long does Repeater need after it records a loop before it is ready to do an Overdub? I'm not doing video game button presses here, I'm double pressing Record about half the speed I double click a mouse, and still get "not readies" sometimes. Is it one beat? some absolute amount of time? don't know. I haven't got the timing of it down, so I frequently don't wait long enough, then have to wait much longer for the "not ready" display to go away. So forget about trying to minimize this gap with quick presses in order to get smooth textural sounds, your gonna get a big gap. It also does this "not ready" thing when you are in play and try to jump in and out of overdub quickly several times in a row. This is a technique I like a lot. Have a sustained sound, then do quick rhythmic taps of overdub so that you get quick little rhythmic stabs of the sound in the loop. I get the not-readies when I try to do that on repeater, bummer. The nature of overdubbing is such that you don't hear the overdub until the loop repeats, obviously. So if you are not looking at the Repeater when you try to use Overdubbing and it is giving you "not ready", you won't even know. What you think is getting overdubbed will be lost. So forget about looking at your instrument, or making big-emotional-moment facial expressions, or making eyes at that cute chick in the second row while you do all your cool stage moves. you have to keep looking at repeater to make sure it did what you told it to do. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 18:20:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21666; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 17:58:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 17:58:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010909144208.0461f7f0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 14:43:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Problems with LD website In-Reply-To: <161.8f7663.28cce2be@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:20 AM 9/9/2001, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 9/9/01 3:24:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >kflint@loopers-delight.com writes: > > >>Could you look in the archives and tell me which posts >>there are ones you did not get? > > >kim.....i will gladly do this.....it seemed i was getting posts answering >questions that were not asked.....ill go look.....thanks.....:)m are you sure it wasn't somebody cross-posting from another list? I think I saw dj-devious-d and some others do that a few times recently. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 18:35:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23318; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 18:12:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 18:12:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010909145256.044cb770@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 14:57:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Repeater record/ overdub In-Reply-To: <3B9B5A5C.94FCC2E3@earthlink.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:02 AM 9/9/2001, joe & sheila wrote: >Unless I'm missing the point. you press record to start a loop, >(repeater in overdub mode )then press play to end loop. >Then quickly hit record again to continue ... overdubbing. that required extra press of record is the whole problem. For looping ambient and textural sounds you normally carry the sound over the loop points, so it is continuous. This extra press means you have a big obvious gap in your sound. It is also a problem if you need to be overdubbing immediately on the first beat after you record a loop. You pretty much have to wait until beat two. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 19:18:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25735; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 18:57:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 18:57:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010909133837.0456efb8@loopers-delight.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010909133837.0456efb8@loopers-delight.com> Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 18:32:30 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: Re: Looping pads and ambient sounds / likely repeater correction Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 04:28 AM 9/9/2001, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: >>apparently, ya missed a l'il bit of my point: >>if repeater is in *overdub* mode *before* ye begin recording, then: >>ending *record* w/another *record command* commences *overdub*. >>so ifya leave the repeater in *overdub* as a default-state, there are no >>extra button-presses. > >David- >I think you should go check this, cause my Repeaters definitely do >not work this way! What you are saying to do just ends record, but >does not leave overdub on. You have to press record again for >overdub to come on. Weird. When I do what Dave suggests, it works the way he describes. - select an empty loop - put overdub on - press record - press record again, record ends and overdub stays on plexus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 19:25:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27042; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 19:04:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 19:04:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.123.169.151] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: international field recording artists? Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 15:51:20 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Sep 2001 22:51:21.0153 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1B09310:01C13981] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey everyone, I'm in the middle of creating volume 2 of a compilation of music made entirely from field recordings, and due to some re-organization and people dropping out, I have 1 (maybe two) openings for new musicians to submit new work. First of all, I'm really trying to maximize the location diversity of this collection. (This will be more thoroughly explained in a bit, but I don't want to waste anybody's time.) Since I already have contributors from these locations, I can't take any more work based in: United States United Kingdom Germany Sweden Japan Italy Mexico Czech Republic New Zealand Tibet Anybody from outside these areas is a good candidate, but extra priority goes to interested musicians working with sounds from: South America Africa Antarctica (?) Asia Middle East Eastern Europe Ok, the idea behind the compilation is to pick a city or city-sized area. (In other words, it does not have to be urban, but could be.) Gather some field recordings from that area, and create music from it. Any amount of post-processing is allowed, as long as the original material is field recordings from your area. The focus on this comp is to 1) Catalog sounds and music from different locations around the world. 2) Showcase the ideas, interpretations, techniques & approaches of the musicians creating the work. Here are the rules in short: 1) Time limit is 7 minutes. 2) No instrumentation of your own! All of the sound sources have to be from field recordings! 3) You can't record people performing to your commands. 4) You must provide your own photograph of the area you're representing. This will be used in the CD artwork. 5) I originally set the submission date for September 1st. That's today. (oops!) Anyway, I'm hoping to receive all the submissions within a month or two. 6) Submission formats: CD, Tape, Post on webpage, or transfer via ICQ. Sorry, I don't have the equipment for Minidisc or DAT submissions. The name of the disc will be "CT Project: Locations Vol. 2". The CT Project is a group of about 60 musicians from around the world that puts out themed compilations. We have a yahoo group and a webpage at http://loopxchange.com This is for an "amateur" compilation, meaning it will be on CD-R unless some experimental label finds they really like it and wants to distribute it. However, I am taking it very seriously, and it will be a nicely packaged, well-organized comp. (Volume 1 sounds excellent!) Otherwise, it'll be released under my own Ribosome Music. Each musician retains the rights to his/her piece. Thank you! Matt Davignon _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 19:27:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27047; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 19:04:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 19:04:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9BF405.3C3A8ACE@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 16:00:59 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater sleep/wakeup bug References: <3B9AB0A6.E957D82F@earthlink.net> <3B9B6265.54101645@vtx.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Claude Voit wrote: > lance glover wrote: > SNIP > > > > but i seem to have a problem with all of my gear when I'VE just wakened from a > > *sleep* state. do you think there's a connection here? > > > > lance g. > > Need some hormons ?? > > (smiling humanoid face drawn with asci caracters trying to picture the > big smile I'm having on my face right now) > > Claude well okay not ALL of my gear then... (another smiling humanoid face drawn with asci caracters, etc.) lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 20:58:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA32024; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 20:36:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 20:36:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010909170633.044f4160@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 17:21:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looping pads and ambient sounds / likely repeater correction In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010909133837.0456efb8@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20010909133837.0456efb8@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:32 PM 9/9/2001, Brett Maraldo wrote: >>At 04:28 AM 9/9/2001, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: >>>apparently, ya missed a l'il bit of my point: >>>if repeater is in *overdub* mode *before* ye begin recording, then: >>>ending *record* w/another *record command* commences *overdub*. >>>so ifya leave the repeater in *overdub* as a default-state, there are no >>>extra button-presses. >> >>David- >>I think you should go check this, cause my Repeaters definitely do not >>work this way! What you are saying to do just ends record, but does not >>leave overdub on. You have to press record again for overdub to come on. > >Weird. When I do what Dave suggests, it works the way he describes. > >- select an empty loop do you mean a loop that is erased, or a recorded loop of silence? If you prime it with a pre-recorded loop of silence it will work, but not when you start from scratch on a reset loop. >- put overdub on what do you mean when you say that? Do you mean push the Overdub button or push the Record button? Remember, pushing the "overdub" button does not turn on overdub as you would expect. it only sets the overdub mode as either overdubbing or replacing. Pressing Record is how you turn on Overdub. If you have a reset loop though, pressing Record just starts Recording in it (as you would expect). There is no way to have Overdub on before you record the loop. conceptually in the Repeater overdub and record are the same thing so it doesn't even make sense. "Turning Overdub On" in a reset loop is the same as "Start Recording the Loop." >- press record >- press record again, record ends and overdub stays on The light on the Overdub button stays on, sure. But any sound you make will not be overdubbed. That LED means when you press Record *again* it will be overdubbing instead of replacing. It just tells you what the setting of your Overdub paramenter is, not whether you actually have overdub on or not. You still have to press Record again to get the overdubbing to start, thus introducing a gap in the sound. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 21:20:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA00511; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 20:58:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 20:58:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9C0E0A.39678529@cloud9.net> Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 20:49:14 -0400 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater record/ overdub References: <200109092037.QAA15771@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Same results here :( I tried sending a stop/play message immediately followed by a record message (both via midi) to see if I could "trick" the 'peater into doing this. Nope. The display flashes "Not Ready" and then proceeds to play the loop, no record. Oh well. Elby > . > > Subject: Re: Repeater record/ overdub > Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 11:55:01 -0700 > From: Mark Sottilaro > To: > on 9/9/01 9:27 AM, PMimlitsch@aol.com at PMimlitsch@aol.com wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 9/9/01 11:32:55 AM, Hedewa7@aol.com writes: > > > > << apparently, ya missed a l'il bit of my point: > > if repeater is in *overdub* mode *before* ye begin recording, then: > > ending *record* w/another *record command* commences *overdub*. > > so ifya leave the repeater in *overdub* as a default-state, there > are no > > extra button-presses. >> > > > > Mayby this is a midi footcontroller thing? I've tried the > "*overdub* mode > > *before* ye begin recording" thing and the result is the same - > hitting > > "record" to end your first pass puts the unit in play mode and not > "record"/ > > "overdub" - at least on the unit I've got. - Paul > > > > Yeah, I get the same thing. Unless I'm totally missing the point > (which has > been known to happen), there's no combonation of button presses that I > can > use to make this thing cue up a new loop and go into record when the > old one > is done. I've been through the manual and nowhere could I find > something > that even mentioned doing this. > > So, anyone from electrix reading this thread? Am I missing something, > or > does Dave have a different version of the Repeater OS that gives him > functionality that we don't have. Yeah! That must be it! I bet if I > only > had those extra features, Bowie would have asked me to be on his next > album! > Damn! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 21:34:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02204; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 21:12:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 21:12:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 18:05:16 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: Looping pads and ambient sounds / likely repeater correction Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>At 04:28 AM 9/9/2001, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: >>>apparently, ya missed a l'il bit of my point: >>>if repeater is in *overdub* mode *before* ye begin recording, then: >>>ending *record* w/another *record command* commences *overdub*. >>>so ifya leave the repeater in *overdub* as a default-state, there are no >>>extra button-presses. >> >>David- >>I think you should go check this, cause my Repeaters definitely do >>not work this way! What you are saying to do just ends record, but >>does not leave overdub on. You have to press record again for >>overdub to come on. > >Weird. When I do what Dave suggests, it works the way he describes. > >- select an empty loop >- put overdub on >- press record >- press record again, record ends and overdub stays on > >plexus The overdub light stays on, but it isn't overdubbing. It won't "overdub" (i.e. add sound to your just recorded loop) until you press record again. This thread came about because of concerns about being able to 1) lay down a loop and interactively set it's loop length (EDP style), and 2) end the loop (set the loop point) by going immediately and seamlessly into overdub, for a smooth and bump-free loop transition. This is a fairly serious problem. There are work-arounds, like starting with a predefined blank loop, or recording silence on your first pass, but this takes us conceptually back to the older, less interactive mode of setting your delay time and filling it with sound, kinda like using an old Lexicon or Digitech. Now to be fair, we shouldn't expect Repeater to follow the conventions of other instruments, but instead learn to work with it's particular strengths and limitations. I like a lot of the new and different ways Repeater is doing things, like for example the feedback set-up. But some things are crucial, specifically: 1) Input Kill so we can run Repeater wet only (how this got thru beta I'll never know...) 2) Record rock-solid to midi clock (ditto above) 3) And please, absolutely, end record with overdub. I know numbers 1 & 2 of the above are slated to be dealt with asap, if Electrix can tell me that #3 can be included I'll be a happy camper! How about it, Damon? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 22:20:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05072; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 21:59:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 21:59:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ejdrake@pop.mindspring.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 21:50:04 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ed Drake Subject: Repeater record into overdub Resent-Message-ID: <6AvdsD.A.oHB.GuBn7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com loopas If Electrix adds this into the next OS update maybe it could be implemented via if you hit the record button twice, that would start and close the loop and keep recording which could by default be the overdub mode. When would you ever want to go immediately into replace anyway? You could still hit the play button to close and just play the loop. What do you think? Could this work? Ed From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 22:44:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07077; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 22:22:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 22:22:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010909152637.00a90a88@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 19:05:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Using tap tempo on Repeater In-Reply-To: <3B9A0655.B232D62A@cloud9.net> References: <200109080730.DAA15322@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 04:51 AM 9/8/2001, Mountain Man wrote: >Right - can't get it to slow down. That's exactly my experience. > > From: "Tim Goodwin" > > Yes. I've had several problems arise when jumping back and forth between > > the sync modes as well. It seems that the tap tempo does much better when > > tapping in a tempo that is faster than the current tempo. Sometimes it > > takes only two taps to register. Other times it takes three. Otherwise, I > > have trouble tapping a tempo any slower than about 70 or 75 bpm (I think my > > record is 67). It seems like the gap in between the taps is big enough to > > make the function reset and read the next tap as the first tap (or > something > > like that). Faster taps are more easily recognized for sure. > > > > I also had some problems getting the user and midi modes to sync after > > using beat detect. At one point in the evening, beat detect erratically > > jumped up > > to a very fast tempo and when I switched to midi sync, it remained at that > > same tempo which was much faster than the master clock was sending. The > > same thing seemed to happen in user mode (it kept wanting to jump back to > > the fast tempo that was established in beat detect mode). But I'm checking > > into it. I may have overlooked something (like a simple reset or > > clear when switching modes?) I don't know. There are a lot of > variables so it's > > likely that it's my own fault. I have these same problems. Repeater does not seem to like slow tempos. I also had it go haywire switching from midi sync to beat detect or user sync. If I have a loop going and I try to tap at half tempo in user sync mode, say from 100BPM down to 50BPM, it doesn't do it. It actually changed tempos faster on me and then jumped around. Going from 200BPM to 100BPM I was able to do. in a reset loop, trying to directly tap in a slow tempo, say a 50-60BPM or slower, often doesn't work. Repeater doubles it. It wouldn't record a loop at all if the initial tempo was set with the knob to slower than 20BPM. It tells me "Tempo Slow". The beat detect mode doesn't work for me below about 86BPM, and that is using simple drum patterns. Oftentimes Repeater actually doubles the tempo! I guess doubling is better than using 86BPM for a 65BPM rhythm, which it did sometimes, but it seemed a little random what it would do. Tapping the tap tempo to help it didn't always work. at least not at these tempos. Generally the tempo detect worked better at faster tempos, in the "dance music" tempo range. I've also had it report half the tempo on faster inputs, like stuff over 200BPM. You can hold down the tap button to force Repeater to refigure the tempo. Sometimes that gets it sometimes not. Bebop at 250BPM always seems to be 125BPM for the repeater in Beat detect. When I tried to tap it, it gives 236-240. (Repeater stops at 240BPM for some reason, even though jazz doesn't.) When I record my drum loop in those situations it seems like the tempo matching thing sometimes loses it and the rhythm of the drums in the loop is a wobbly mess. One time what was a steady 60BPM pattern became a loop that drifted from maybe 90BPM down to 60BPM across the two bars, then repeated that as the loop... Another time I had a 200BPM pattern going and Repeater thought it was 134BPM. I recorded anyway without trying to fix it, and got another sliding tempo loop. I guess it is pretty cool that the tempo stretch engine in Repeater can do something like that and it still sounds like drums, but I would prefer to decide to have it do that rather than it just happen.... I tried a second time on that one, and that time I think the Loop Point Assist jumped in and did something weird, so my resulting loop point was not even close to where I tapped it. Maybe I had the tempo lock on for that, not sure. It would be nice if there was a way to turn off the Loop Point Assist thing. Beat detect works better at faster tempos. It picked up 100BPM ok. But when I record a loop in the Beat Detect mode and play it along with the original to check the timing it flams a lot and drifts around the beat. (I have that same problem with midi sync in.) I guess that is ok if your music isn't very tight rhythmically, but to me it was irritating and affected the rhythmic feel. I suppose you could tweak it with the slip or trim functions to get it right in the studio, but I was looking at this for live use, and it's just not accurate enough. Repeater doesn't seem to like it if you try to make big tempo changes on it with taps or the beat detect. It does follow if you change it slowly, which is nice. So for an unsteady rhythmic source repeater would be nice for tracking it and keeping the loop in sync. It gets lost on big jumps though. If you tweak around with it enough you can get it back, but it takes some effort. Switching from midi sync to Beat Detect or User Sync also sends it all over the place. All these tempo detect and tracking features seem like pretty nice ideas with great potential, but they just don't work well enough for the sort of live, improvised approach to looping I like. In a studio application where you are doing remixes with different source samples, and you had time to tweak with it to line things up right and avoid the occasional erratic jump it would be pretty useful. But for live use it has to "just work" with a minimum of extra user tweaking and so far I'm not getting that. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 22:55:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08458; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 22:33:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 22:33:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca Message-Id: Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 22:21:03 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: Repeater: First Pass Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well, its pretty cool that the Repeater does what it does and that we've collectively assembled a list of things we'd like to see added/changed to make this machine all the better! you can sort of tell they rushed to get it all working the way it does and a mighty fine job they did! here's to Repeater OS 1.1!! *tink* *tink* *tink* *tink* *tink*...... plexus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 23:15:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10038; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 22:52:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 22:52:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Looping pads and ambient sounds / likely repeater correction Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 21:38:59 -0500 Message-ID: <003f01c139a1$bee48610$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <0fmYL.A.KQC.fgCn7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes overdub does stay on, but the actual process of recording/overdubbing is not taking place. The light just indicates that overdub is what will happen next time record it enabled. Steve > > Weird. When I do what Dave suggests, it works the way he describes. > > - select an empty loop > - put overdub on > - press record > - press record again, record ends and overdub stays on > > plexus > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 00:21:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA16855; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 23:59:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 23:59:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010910034623.24088.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 20:46:23 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: dt's overdoobie repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010909170633.044f4160@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Maybe Mr. Torn can crack the case of his Repeater to insure that it doesn't contain the guts of 4 EDPs. I was afraid I was being paranoid in my earlier post when I pondered whether or not dt was using the same version Repeater that shipped to the rest of us. I wants some of that thar top secret/hush-hush/Area 54 software like the famous hippie got! :) John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 00:32:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA17987; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 00:10:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 00:10:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca Message-Id: Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 23:57:08 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: Repeater: How about this as a future feature? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A mode where each successive loop-around recorded gets placed on the next track. four loop-around one on each track. then you can mix/dj them to your hearts content and then resample to make room for more noise. plexus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 01:18:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA20825; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 00:57:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 00:57:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <75.1ae20e23.28cd9f21@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 00:44:17 EDT Subject: Re: Repeater record/ overdub To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com paul, >Mayby this is a midi footcontroller thing? I've tried the "*overdub* mode >*before* ye begin recording" thing and the result is the same - hitting >"record" to end your first pass puts the unit in play mode and not "record"/ >"overdub" - at least on the unit I've got. i'm pretty danged sure that this was working w/beta software; unfortunately, i lent my repeater to martha mooke, until monday evening, so i can't re-check till then. damon? sorry..... dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 01:46:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23171; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 01:24:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 01:24:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <167.9fc0f6.28cda560@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 01:10:56 EDT Subject: Re: Looping pads and ambient sounds / likely repeater correction To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com kflint@loopers-delight.com writes: >I think you should go check this, cause my Repeaters definitely do not >work >this way! will do; tomorrow evening. (i lent the thing to a friend.....) i clearly remember using the box that way, w/beta SW: i think! >What you are saying to do just ends record, but does not leave >overdub on. You have to press record again for overdub to come on. again; i'm pretty sure that betaSW allowed this. will find out. damon? jamie? >So when you are Overdubbing, >the Record button is lit up same as when you are initially recording the >loop. yes. >In fact, you can't even go into overdub very quickly with a quick second >press of Record. If you press Record again quickly after you finish >recording a loop the display shows "NOT READY" !!! Not ready? not ready >for what? Anyway, you will wait a good second before that display goes >off >and then you can push Record again to get Overdub to come on. >And no, it >doesn't remember that you already told it to go into overdub and just do >that when it is finally ready, you have to press it again. So if you push >it too early you are going to get a big gap while you wait for this display >to clear plus however much longer after that your reaction time is to press >the record button again. >How long does Repeater need after it records a loop before it is ready >to >do an Overdub? I'm not doing video game button presses here, I'm double >pressing Record about half the speed I double click a mouse, and still >get >"not readies" sometimes. Is it one beat? some absolute amount of time? no idea..... i don't recall seeing this 'not ready' msg..... >It also does this "not ready" thing when you are in play and try to jump >in >and out of overdub quickly several times in a row. This is a technique >I >like a lot. me, too. w/'record/replace' (as opposed to 'overdub'), as well. >Have a sustained sound, then do quick rhythmic taps of overdub >so that you get quick little rhythmic stabs of the sound in the loop. >I >get >the not-readies when I try to do that on repeater, bummer. >The nature of overdubbing is such that you don't hear the overdub until >the >loop repeats, obviously. So if you are not looking at the Repeater when >you >try to use Overdubbing and it is giving you "not ready", you won't even >know. What you think is getting overdubbed will be lost. So forget about >looking at your instrument, or making big-emotional-moment facial >expressions, or making eyes at that cute chick in the second row while >you >do all your cool stage moves. well, it's certain that i haven't developed any cool stage moves, yet..... i will indeed fire the beast up again, tomorrow evening. meanwhile, k: is there anything ya like about the unit, at this juncture? dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 01:54:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23835; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 01:32:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 01:32:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 22:21:39 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater: How about this as a future feature? From: Mark Sottilaro To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 9/9/01 8:57 PM, Brett Maraldo at plexus@sympatico.ca wrote: > > A mode where each successive loop-around recorded gets placed on the > next track. four loop-around one on each track. then you can mix/dj > them to your hearts content and then resample to make room for more > noise. > > plexus > oooooo, I vote for that. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 02:00:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA24516; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 01:38:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 01:38:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010909201921.044432b0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 22:24:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Repeater noise problem In-Reply-To: <003101c135d9$b625f200$02000003@mpx.com.au> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <_8tVfD.A.5rF.B8En7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From: "sukhjindersandhu" > > > I'm wondering if any other repeater users have noticed a strange wavering > > of pitch when nothing is looped, but the phones or main outs are cranked. > > It's almost like a low oscillating tone. Again, i'm not playing anything > > through repeater but the noise level is very high. Could it be software > > or hardware related? I've tried moving repeater away from other gear, plus > > all kinds of level changing and checking but the noise persists. Is there >a > > bypass option someone can suggest? I was noticing this too, and wondered if it was just me so I checked back a few days and saw these posts where others had the same noise. What baffled me though, is it is on the direct audio through Repeater, even when there is no loop recorded? I guess I would expect the direct audio to be much more transparent? I can see the loop audio being noisy since it has to go through digital convertors and dsp algorithms and such. (and that's the sort of noise it sounds like to me.) But does the direct audio go through that path too? If so, why? I did notice the noise seems to somewhat relate to what is on the display, and I guess Damon had said that before. When I optimize the gains it isn't very noticeable, so it really isn't that big of a deal most of the time but you can hear it when the levels are up loud. I was also looking at the audio routing diagrams in the back of the manual and saw the direct audio path through Repeater actually does appear to go through the digital convertors and through the DSP. Is that correct? The direct audio path isn't analog? (shh, don't let any guitar purists know about that....:-) I wondered if I could hear any difference in the direct sound through the Repeater so I set up a parallel path through the mixer and ran some drums and guitar through it. I didn't really notice any audio difference, but I'm not exactly golden-eared and didn't do any real serious tests. But it's probably good enough for me. However, I was quite surprised to notice a delay on direct audio through the repeater when I played the parallel path and repeater direct path together. It wasn't just a phase error sort of thing either, but enough to sound like a fast slap-back delay when mixed with the parallel path. Pretty obvious on the percussion sounds I ran through it, definite flams. Playing guitar through it I could feel there was a delay, but only when I really concentrated on it and compared against playing direct to the amp. kind of like playing guitar synth, a bit sluggish but you can compensate for it. So I guess there is quite a bit of buffering going on in the dsp path, even on direct audio? I had a vague hope that maybe this delay would offset the midi sync problems but no luck there. :-) Maybe all that buffering is what causes the midi sync problems? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 02:12:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA25164; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 01:50:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 01:50:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <7f.19f3f267.28cdabe2@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 01:38:42 EDT Subject: Re: Repeater record/ overdub To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mark, >Yeah, I get the same thing. Unless I'm totally missing the point (which >has >been known to happen), there's no combonation of button presses that I >can >use to make this thing cue up a new loop and go into record when the old >one >is done. I've been through the manual and nowhere could I find something >that even mentioned doing this. see page 24 of the manual. >So, anyone from electrix reading this thread? Am I missing something, >or >does Dave have a different version of the Repeater OS that gives him >functionality that we don't have. Yeah! That must be it! I bet if I >only >had those extra features, Bowie would have asked me to be on his next album! >Damn! > actually, i got fired when my repeater wouldn't go immediately into 'overdub', at the same time that my EDP overheated..... only the pcm42 held up, and we all know how hopelessly outdated that looper is. *-) >OT, David, have those sessions started yet? I'm VERY psyched to hear the >end result, as both a Bowie and Torn fan. I think it'll be a great mix. > i'm nearly finished w/the recording process; much EDP, much repeater, much noise. bleep! dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 02:23:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA27076; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 02:01:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 02:01:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9C543B.D716279D@voicenet.com> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 01:48:43 -0400 From: Charles Cohen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater: Persistent Problems with Sync Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I bought the repeater with the intention of syncing it to other MIDI rhythmic sound making devices, and it just isn't working for me. Try this experiment to make it obvious: Slave a drum machine to Repeater MIDI out. Program a continuos pattern of sixteenth notes with some simple short sound like a rim shot, and no other sound. Set a slow tempo on Repeater. When first booted up, the Repeater seems to send a nice steady MIDI clock and the slaved drum machine sounds fine at any tempo from Repeater. After *any* Play or Record operation on the Repeater, even of a silent loop or one of the Factory Demo loops off the card, I hear the slaved drum machine hesitating at *every* fourth sixteenth note. A small amount to be sure, but enough to make it musically useless to my ear. Using Repeater as a stand alone device seems to work well and is *lots* of fun, but that's not what I bought it for. If I can't get it to sync very tightly with other MIDI clocked gear, I'm afraid it's going to become a door stop in my world. -- **** What's Charles Up to? **** http://www.voicenet.com/~ccohen (on Yahoo and AOL messengers as beepsandboops) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 03:27:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA31587; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 03:05:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 03:05:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 23:53:43 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater: Persistent Problems with Sync From: Mark Sottilaro To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3B9C543B.D716279D@voicenet.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 9/9/01 10:48 PM, Charles Cohen at ccohen@voicenet.com wrote: > I bought the repeater with the intention of syncing it to other MIDI rhythmic > sound > making devices, and it just isn't working for me. > > Try this experiment to make it obvious: > Slave a drum machine to Repeater MIDI out. > > Program a continuos pattern of sixteenth notes with some simple short sound > like a rim shot, > and no other sound. Set a slow tempo on Repeater. > > When first booted up, the Repeater seems to send a nice steady MIDI clock and > the slaved > drum machine sounds fine at any tempo from Repeater. > > After *any* Play or Record operation on the Repeater, even of a silent loop or > one of > the Factory Demo loops off the card, I hear the slaved drum machine hesitating > at *every* > fourth sixteenth note. A small amount to be sure, but enough to make it > musically useless > to my ear. > > Using Repeater as a stand alone device seems to work well and is *lots* of > fun, but > that's not what I bought it for. If I can't get it to sync very tightly with > other MIDI > clocked gear, I'm afraid it's going to become a door stop in my world. Are you sure this is happening? Try it again and make sure the Repeater hasn't been put to sleep prior to your test. Unplug it and start it fresh. I'm using the Repeater slaved to a Roland MC-307 and I've found NO midi synch problems at all. As a matter of fact, the MC-307 has a big turntable style "pitch" control that can control tempo. The Repeater seems to chase the change flawlessly, as the pitch of my loop does not change. Seems pretty sweet to me. Now that my new Mac is up and running, I'm going to try it using Metro. I'll let you know the results. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 05:40:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA13212; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 05:18:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 05:18:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010910001453.00b02e90@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 02:03:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: the dt challenge In-Reply-To: <167.9fc0f6.28cda560@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <_M4lQD.A.K2C.XJIn7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:10 PM 9/9/2001, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > >It also does this "not ready" thing when you are in play and try to jump in > >and out of overdub quickly several times in a row. This is a technique I > >like a lot. >me, too. >w/'record/replace' (as opposed to 'overdub'), as well. right. unfortunately that way gives you "not ready" also if you go to quick for it. >meanwhile, k: >is there anything ya like about the unit, at this juncture? >dt / s-c Fair enough question! I can be a tough critic. Just ask Matthias. He's put up with me thrashing every minute detail of the EDP for years. :-) So, the all-positive kim repeater review: The function I immediately loved in Repeater was Slip. Kind of unexpected, because on the surface it almost sounds boring. You can shift tracks in time against the others. But it did exactly what I thought it would do, it was really easy to use and figure out, and it was a lot of fun. No frustrations at all, and useful too! I can take a part on a given track and pull it a little ahead and behind the beat, giving different rhythmic feels. I like that. Or clean it up a bit rhythmically if it was a little sloppy. Or move it to a completely different spot against the other tracks and really change up the feel. Also, you can tie tracks together or move them independently, all of which I was able to figure out in seconds without looking at the manual. Very satisfying. Even in simple ways this is eye-opening. (or ear-opening.) For example, I have a simple 2 bar hip-hoppish drum groove on one track, and some lame whole note jazz guitar chords on another track. I put them down quick to try out some other functions, so it's kinda dorky sounding. I was rhythmically spot on with my first chord, but the second was a little late. Bugs me. With Slip I can pull the thing a little bit, so the first chord is a little ahead of the beat and the second is right on. Much better! It fits the feel of the hip hop groove. Or even better, I took the whole guitar part and shifted it backwards in relation to the drums to hear what it sounds like when starting from different eighth notes. For whatever reason, my ears are insisting that the big whole note chords represent the downbeat, irregardless of what the drums are doing. So fine, I accept that. When I got the first chord at the 'and' of two on the first bar of the drums, bam! My dork hip-hop drum groove became as funky as hell there! I never would have thought of a drum pattern like that, and it is exactly the same except shifted by a beat and a half against what I'm now thinking of as the down beat. Now that is a useful function! I think that speaks to what Repeater is really useful as. A self-contained, loop-based 4-track recorder. (like it says on the box.) Looking at the feature set, the industrial design, the manual, etc, I think that is really what it was designed to be. Like Acid or Sonar in a box, or a simple, self-contained remix environment. No need for a computer or big mixing console or whatever. Everything you need to do that is right there. Storage, simple mixing and routing functions, an assortment of I/O options, four tracks, a few features found in common plug-ins and audio sequencer programs (pitch shifting, time stretch, slip, etc.), familiar tape-transport interface, etc. I think that is all great for a couple of reasons. One is it makes for a simplified studio that is easy to use for people who don't want to deal with a computer based setup with a lot of extra outboard gear. Second, I think the looping approach is really useful for recording applications. It really helps you sketch out ideas and quickly find what works, especially if you compose loop oriented music with static loops (like most dance music these days). Repeater makes it really easy to throw different ideas together, different samples and live played bits, and while they loop you can try different effects, different mixes, change a part, try different tempo, different pitch, screw around with the rhythm, take a part out, put it back, etc. For the price, it does these things really well. If you saw the Repeater advertising and didn't get past "4 tracks" and "looper" and immediately had visions of the ultimate performance-oriented real-time looper, or the uber-echoplex, get ready for disappointment. (of your own doing, imho, cause you didn't read the rest of the details....) That's clearly not the point of the Repeater. When you hold the Repeater up against the Echoplex, or even the Boomerang or JamMan for the real-time, performance oriented looping functionality where those boxes shine, the Repeater just falls on it's face. Likewise, when you hold those boxes up against the recording studio functionality of the Repeater, they fall over too! It just isn't the same kind of thing. Sure, Repeater does a few things those don't do, and you could use Repeater in a real-time performance looping application and get some good mileage out of it. But that's not the soul of this beast, and so the list of basic real-time loop functions that it doesn't do is pretty long. It seems like Electrix made some effort to add some features like that in the Repeater, probably due to people on this list throwing ideas and questions at them from left field. But that really isn't it's strong point at all, and the lack of depth in those functions makes that clear. Likewise, if you thought Repeater was a sampler, it isn't. If you thought it would replace a roland VP-9000, it won't. Think "Recording", think "Studio", think "elegant and self-contained", think "Acid in hardware", think "loop-based recorder", think "economical" and I think you will get the idea, and you will really enjoy using the Repeater. There, better? now I will go back to being my usual surly, cynical, and harshly-critical self. >:-> kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 09:28:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA08514; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 09:01:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 09:01:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: the dt challenge Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 07:47:59 -0500 Message-ID: <001701c139f6$d2a855f0$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010910001453.00b02e90@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wonder what would be the most efficient way to move EDP created loops to the Repeater CFC for storage and the ability to be triggered in a live setting? It would be kind of nice to take what has been created live and dump it to the Repeater for later editing, storing, etc. steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 10:24:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14499; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 10:02:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 10:02:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 09:54:08 -0400 Subject: more first dasy with the repeater... From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01e001c13585$ab074f30$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i got to spend a couple of hours with the repeater this weekend. and i must say that it can do some amazing stuff. there are a couple of things that are a little frustrating. the main one is that the manual seems less than exhaustive. for example i made a loop on channel one and speed it up, then started to make a loop on channel four when i got a message that said "tempo fast"... which i assume means that i changed the tempo too much for me to continue recording... but i can't find any information about that anywhere in the manual or what the acceptable parameters are... anyone know? i read the manual cover to cover a few times... (although my wife would be quick to point out, that doesn't necessarily mean it's not there....) the noise floor may actually be a problem. i'll have to get it into the studio to tell. there are lots of things i love about this machine, tho... having independent volumes for all four loops is great. having stereo is just stupendous. i love the option of being able to save pre-determined loop lengths and tempi. that will be amazing for live shows. thanks all. monk -- monk@fuse.net www.monkmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 11:51:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20160; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:29:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:29:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 10:17:42 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: repeater/mofx synch To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00dc01c13a0b$bc9ad700$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com it changes pitch when it adjusts the delay time. sometimes it is quite a radical little swoop (which repeats according to feedback...) in fact, the easiest way to hear the glitches is to set feedback to 100% and play one note. it will start as one note ringing and after a while it will become a symphony of wammy effects. > Pitch shifts? Or time shifts? > > -- > Tim > > > > From: jim palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 1:06 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: repeater/mofx synch > > > i have done that. > it is synching, it just seems to have a lot of trouble > keeping steady while synching, so the delay rate > regularly has to change, causing weird pitch shifts. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 11:54:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20412; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:33:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:33:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010909201921.044432b0@loopers-delight.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010909201921.044432b0@loopers-delight.com> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:20:21 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Repeater noise problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Our man Flint wrote (in part): >I was also looking at the audio routing diagrams in the back of the >manual and saw the direct audio path through Repeater actually does >appear to go through the digital convertors and through the DSP. Is >that correct? The direct audio path isn't analog? If it WERE analog, there'd be no way to cure the "wet/dry balance issue" in software, wouldn't you think? /t .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 12:05:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21007; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:43:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:43:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: 4 Track Acid in a Box Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 08:33:06 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fellow noisemakers: I think I will wind up buying the Repeater but I am "not ready" 8^))) Seriously, this is what happens when a product is first released, and especially under pressure--discrepancy. "You want it bad, you get it bad and the worse you want it, the worse you get it" My 15 minutes with the Repeater at GC in Sherman Oaks was rewarding, but I'm sure software version 2.x will be a much more satisfying Repeater. My 2c . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 12:12:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21374; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:50:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:50:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014f01c13a0d$cc3a1930$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: EDP question/etc. Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 10:32:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com First, a "looper theory" question - Does anybody know of a looping device that permits you to record your initial loop in REVERSE? I have been thinking about this a great deal and, so far, I don't think this is a necessary feature for any looper. Every looper that I'm aware of requires that you record in the forward direction initially. Can anybody think of a reason to record in REVERSE initially? It seems to me that you might want to record FORWARD then have the playback start in REVERSE. But I don't see a reason to record initially in REVERSE. Comments? ------------------------ Second, an EDP observation - In playing with REVERSE on the EDP, I got the UNDO LED to blink periodically and I'm not sure what it's trying to tell me. In sequence, do: 1) Press RECORD; record a short loop. Press RECORD again to initiate playback. 2) Press PARAMETER (to select the Timing row). 3) Press REVERSE (UNDO). a) Loop playback reverses. b) UNDO LED turns red. 4) Press UNDO. a) UNDO LED turn green. b) Loop plays back forward. c) The UNDO LED blinks off then on at the beginning of the loop. So why does the LED blink? What's it mean? Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 12:20:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22120; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:57:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:57:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <015001c13a0f$0a21eb00$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <002301c131fc$86bae740$51cec22b@cambmaya04> <3.0.6.32.20010831164524.00985de0@mail.dragonet.es> <003a01c13242$8f46d9a0$6eb51597@z3v3u4> <002e01c13939$e3398000$a54528d5@a123456789> Subject: Re: Re:Slightly OT, (or is it ?) - mouse to midi ? Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 10:41:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <6CTvgC.A.PKF.9AOn7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Gareth! > Does anyone know of a utility that converts mouse movements, (computer mouse > obviously - not rodent droppings) to midi info ? > I'm thinking of trying to convert my laptop mousepad into a sort of kaos pad > type of thing without spending any money. I downloaded something like that a while back. It converts mouse movements to MIDI CC commands. It seems to work really well. When I get home tonight I'll see what it is and let you know. I set it up to control a couple of Shepard's Tone generators in Kyma. It's a four channel Sound with one tone in front (typically continously descending) and one in back (typically continously ascending). I then rotate both sounds among the four speakers, keeping them 180 degrees apart. I wanted to create an audio vortex. The mouse controls the various parameters (rotation rate, glide rate, etc). As you roll the mouse it changes things, not always in a predictable manner. Great fun! And it really clears out the studio, let me tell ya! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 12:38:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24854; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:16:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:16:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <12a.41c269a.28ce3e23@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:02:43 EDT Subject: Gratuitous Self Promotion Dept. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA23610 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Please excuse the tiresome self-aggrandizement. I don't write so very often (though I've been lurking here for over six years or more). My recent CD project just got it's first online review and I can't help but want to share. It (the review) is sarcastic, well written and (to be fair) probably pretty darn accurate. It could be taken as either positive or negative depending on your tastes. I myself am not entirely sure -- ha! I'm just thrilled to have some press finally. I pass it along to you thus ... see you on the funway! >From DEAD ANGEL (Issue 48 - 9/01/01) URL: http://www.monotremata.com/dead/issues/da48.html Ted Killian -- FLUX AETERNA [pfMENTUM] I've never heard of guitarist Ted Killian before, but apparently i should have. He's a guitarist in the vein of Fripp, Sharrock, and maybe even David Gilmour, creating droning and repetitive soundscapes with tweaked electric and acoustic guitars, often over a bedrock of alien-sounding loops. Some of this, like "Last Sparrow," is the sound of machines hallucinating -- in fact, in many ways this is a throwback to seventies acid-rock, only with more modern (and out-there) influences. Ambient, singing guitars play hypnotic avant-blues lines while other guitars hover quietly in the background on lock 'n lull. Imagine Sonny Sharrock playing for Pink Floyd while Fripp natters on in the background with slo-mo starlight guitar loops that suffice for a "beat." That's the general gist of the songs here. The opener, "Hubble," begins with throbbing, swirling drone and graduates to brilliant, celestial guitars bursting like fireworks. "Leaving Medford," probably owes as much to Tangerine Dream as it does to any avant-guitar icons -- it's a pulsing slab o' tones rippling beneath a winding, scorched-earth guitar playing demented psychedelic machine blues. My favorite is probably "Last Sparrow," which opens with an endless chittering guitar loop, then slowly builds to a massive, droning collection of drawn-out machine tones before exiting on the same endless loop. "Recurvate Paint" sounds like something that could have come about during a collaboration with David Gilmour, circa his first solo album, and Fripp during his ambient Frippertronics phase. Pinging, ringing, endless ambient guitars become the backdrop to slo-mo psychedelic blues -- it sounds glacial and beautiful and seems to last forever. "Reverse Logic" is pretty bizarre in its own right, sounding like M's "Pop Muzak" as remixed by Techno-Animal and ripped apart, then rebuilt by grindcore players under the direction of Sonny Sharrock and Painkiller. By contrast, the guitars in "Convocation Solitaire" are all pretty ones -- acoustic, electric, clean, distorted, whatever, they're ringing those celestial tones. "Gravity Suspended" almost sounds like it could have come from a mislaid late-sixties Pink Floyd record -- in a lot of ways it's a kissing cousin to "The Narrow Way" -- but the title track is far weirder, more alien and monochromatic, like the sound of the Monolith in 2001 vibrating, until a violin-like guitar soars above the increasingly noisy bedrock. This is seriously spaced-out stuff, and really well-executed to boot. This disc is one of the unexpected surprises of the issue.... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 13:04:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26553; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:42:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:42:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <12a.41c269a.28ce3e23@aol.com> References: <12a.41c269a.28ce3e23@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 09:30:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: Gratuitous Self Promotion Dept. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hi all, > >Please excuse the tiresome self-aggrandizement. I don't write >so very often (though I've been lurking here for over six years >or more). My recent CD project just got it's first online review >and I can't help but want to share. > >It (the review) is sarcastic, well written and (to be fair) probably >pretty darn accurate. It could be taken as either positive or >negative depending on your tastes. I myself am not entirely >sure -- ha! I'm just thrilled to have some press finally. > >I pass it along to you thus ... see you on the funway! > >>From DEAD ANGEL (Issue 48 - 9/01/01) >URL: http://www.monotremata.com/dead/issues/da48.html Hey Ted, congrats on the review! Given the tone of the rest of the 'zine, I'd take it as a positive, probably as positive as this bunch of bondage, metal and latex obsessives can get :-) It's a great album, I've been enjoying it quite a lot! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 13:20:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28562; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:57:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:57:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 09:44:47 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: EDP question/etc. In-reply-to: <014f01c13a0d$cc3a1930$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <014f01c13a0d$cc3a1930$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:32 AM -0500 9/10/01, Dennis Leas wrote: >First, a "looper theory" question - >Does anybody know of a looping device that permits you to record your >initial loop in REVERSE? > >It seems to me that you might want to record FORWARD then have the playback >start in REVERSE. But I don't see a reason to record initially in REVERSE. >Comments? Does that mean you've figured out how to PLAY in reverse? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 13:31:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31196; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:08:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:08:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <12a.41c269a.28ce3e23@aol.com> References: <12a.41c269a.28ce3e23@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:56:14 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Gratuitous Self Promotion Dept. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ted Killian writes: >Please excuse the tiresome self-aggrandizement. Not at all, things like reviews of your looping material is what the list is for. >Fripp, Sharrock, David Gilmour, Sonny Sharrock, Pink Floyd, Fripp, >Tangerine Dream, >David Gilmour, Frippertronics, M, Techno-Animal, Sonny Sharrock, >Painkiller, Pink Floyd gee, that reviewer really likes to drop names... that's the trouble with living in the post-post-modern world. everyone's heard everything and it's very hard to do anything new. .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 13:45:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32572; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:23:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:23:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <12a.41c269a.28ce3e23@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 10:12:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: Gratuitous Self Promotion Dept. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >>Fripp, Sharrock, David Gilmour, Sonny Sharrock, Pink Floyd, Fripp, >>Tangerine Dream, >>David Gilmour, Frippertronics, M, Techno-Animal, Sonny Sharrock, >>Painkiller, Pink Floyd > >gee, that reviewer really likes to drop names... > >that's the trouble with living in the post-post-modern world. >everyone's heard everything and it's very hard to do anything new. > Yeah, there is that, but, hey, I'd be pleased to get compared to Sonny Sharrock (not once but three times in one review!). And it's an apt comparison, Ted gets some very dark and gritty sounds. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 13:59:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01910; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:38:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:38:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9CF757.F75E00A7@iwvisp.com> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 10:24:40 -0700 From: dirt Reply-To: dpratt@iwvisp.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP question/etc. References: <014f01c13a0d$cc3a1930$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was sorta hopin' for somethin' with about a 20 min. loop that I could adapt to use in the stock markets for just a day or two (I'm not greedy). And there might be a few physicist out there that would be pretty interested in such a device no matter how short it's looping capabilities. Dennis Leas wrote: > First, a "looper theory" question - > Does anybody know of a looping device that permits you to record your > initial loop in REVERSE? > > I have been thinking about this a great deal and, so far, I don't think this > is a necessary feature for any looper. Every looper that I'm aware of > requires that you record in the forward direction initially. Can anybody > think of a reason to record in REVERSE initially? > > It seems to me that you might want to record FORWARD then have the playback > start in REVERSE. But I don't see a reason to record initially in REVERSE. > Comments? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 14:06:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02311; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:43:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:43:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000501c13a1d$a8c749e0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <014f01c13a0d$cc3a1930$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: EDP question/etc. Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:25:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Does that mean you've figured out how to PLAY in reverse? (: !ESREVER ni (gnipyt dna) gnikaeps no gnikrow m'I tub, oN But for some time I've want to memorize, "?taht htiw seirf emos ekil uoy dluoW", and speak it into a looper during a performance, then I'd reverse the loop... Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 14:24:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04981; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:00:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:00:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001c01c13a1f$f5d3f330$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <12a.41c269a.28ce3e23@aol.com> Subject: Re: Gratuitous Self Promotion Dept. Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:42:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01C139F6.0CD30AA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C139F6.0CD30AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Congratulations, Ted! I read it as very positive! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com (Now if the reveiwer could use fewer analogies...but don't you love to = review the reviewer?) ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C139F6.0CD30AA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Congratulations, Ted!  I read it = as very=20 positive!
 
Dennis = Leas
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(Now if the reveiwer could use fewer=20 analogies...but don't you love to review the reviewer?)
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C139F6.0CD30AA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 14:46:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06310; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:23:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:23:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c13a23$f08997a0$ebb41597@z3v3u4> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: Subject: London Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 20:10:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C13A34.B2998340" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C13A34.B2998340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tomorrow I'll be in London. Any looping in action there this week? I'd = like to hear some live looping..... Peace Luigi ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C13A34.B2998340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tomorrow I'll be in London. Any looping = in action=20 there this week? I'd like to hear some live looping.....
Peace
Luigi
------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C13A34.B2998340-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 14:47:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06542; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:25:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:25:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010910104312.04512e60@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:10:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Repeater noise problem In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010909201921.044432b0@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20010909201921.044432b0@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <6_GdsD.A.8ZB.GKQn7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:20 AM 9/10/2001, Tom Ritchford wrote: >Our man Flint wrote (in part): > >>I was also looking at the audio routing diagrams in the back of the >>manual and saw the direct audio path through Repeater actually does >>appear to go through the digital convertors and through the DSP. Is that >>correct? The direct audio path isn't analog? > >If it WERE analog, there'd be no way to cure the "wet/dry balance issue" >in software, wouldn't you think? No, I wouldn't think that at all. It is very common these days to design audio products using digitally controlled analog parts. You can get software controlled analog switches, analog multiplexors, potentiometers, analog gain controls, matrix switches, simple mixers, filters, etc., and they are pretty cheap. A lot of digital audio codecs also come with an assortment of routing and mixing options that occur in the analog portion of the part and are under software control. So no I wouldn't at all be surprised if those options were available in Repeater and somebody just had to change a few register settings to enable them the way you want. Even in the echoplex we did that sort of thing, using high-quality audio VCA's under software control to switch audio in and out of the loop with fast crossfades. We also did level control of the loop output in analog, since it happens our D/A convertor had that function, and many of the analog control voltages are routed around with digitally controlled analog muxes. Although, if somebody were designing a direct analog audio path in a looper, I would imagine they would naturally think to include a wet/dry mix control since you have to deal with mixing things anyway. Certainly if you've spent any amount of time with guitar players and hoped they would be your customers, the idea of an all digital direct path should cause you to shake in fear right down to your toes. They get worked up if you put an opamp in their direct signal path, let alone A/D and D/A convertors! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 15:11:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08232; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:48:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:48:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:29:16 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: EDP question/etc. In-reply-to: <000501c13a1d$a8c749e0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <014f01c13a0d$cc3a1930$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <000501c13a1d$a8c749e0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:25 PM -0500 9/10/01, Dennis Leas wrote: >But for some time I've want to memorize, "?taht htiw seirf emos ekil uoy >dluoW", and speak it into a looper during a performance, then I'd reverse >the loop... Pamela Z and I did a piece titled "Smlehessej" in which she spoke several words backwards through my Eventide H3000 set to the Reverse Shift algorithm. She also read from a new article about the Judas Priest court case. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 15:13:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08874; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:50:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:50:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:40:01 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Repeater: Persistent Problems with Sync To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003a01c13a28$0051fac0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: <3V9tGB.A.LwB.4hQn7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i think i see a pattern here. everyone that seems to be having trouble synching is using the repeater as a source of midi clock. is that correct? anyone using it as source effectively? anyone having problems with it synching to external clock? i have yet to hook up a sequencer to check this out (i haven't used sequencers for many years) >.... > The Repeater seems to chase > the change flawlessly, as the pitch of my loop does not change. Seems > pretty sweet to me. Now that my new Mac is up and running, I'm going to try > it using Metro. I'll let you know the results. > > Mark Sottilaro > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 15:15:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09059; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:53:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:53:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013401c13a28$0bb998a0$6401a8c0@nc.rr.com> Reply-To: "diatom drone" From: "diatom drone" To: References: <014f01c13a0d$cc3a1930$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: EDP question/etc. Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:40:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com this is kind of the opposite question but i figured i'd shoot while it's *sorta* on topic: i've been really keen lately on the sound of reverse reverbs/delays, in CDs i like (old Dead Voices on Air and Download stuff particularly) and in my own attempts at faking them in sound forge and whatnot. what i'd like to know is if there are any particular hardware units with really nice time based effects that reverse the dry signal live. this sounds like a guitar effect to me but as i don't play guitar, i don't know where to start! i think it would be a lot of fun to have in a live arsenal. any help appreciated. thanks in advance from a youngin' just pulling his head out of the direct x plugin sand, Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 15:18:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09375; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:56:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:56:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003701c13a27$da65e150$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <014f01c13a0d$cc3a1930$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <3B9CF757.F75E00A7@iwvisp.com> Subject: Re: EDP question/etc. Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:38:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I was sorta hopin' for somethin' with about a 20 min. loop that I could adapt > to use in the stock markets for just a day or two (I'm not greedy). And there > might be a few physicist out there that would be pretty interested in such a > device no matter how short it's looping capabilities. Very good! :D Ok, I can tell I need to clarify things some... I'm writing some looping tools. So if I'm initially recording in REVERSE, it means I'm accessing the wavetable RAM buffer in reverse order (from high memory towards low). I want my looping tools to be concise but general-purpose. If it doesn't need a feature, I don't want to include it. (Yes, that seems to go against today's design philosophy.) In the meantime, doesn't the Againator have a precognition mode? I think you set the pre-loop delay to a negative value or something....perhaps it's listed under "look before you loop" in the index. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 15:20:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09458; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:58:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:58:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:38:04 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Repeater is here In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.2.20010910104312.04512e60@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010909201921.044432b0@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20010909201921.044432b0@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20010910104312.04512e60@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: <55rQxD.A.L2B.XoQn7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Repeater has just entered the building... -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 15:24:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10690; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:00:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:00:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010910022902.0443fa50@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:46:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Repeater: Persistent Problems with Sync In-Reply-To: References: <3B9C543B.D716279D@voicenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:53 PM 9/9/2001, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >on 9/9/01 10:48 PM, Charles Cohen at ccohen@voicenet.com wrote: > > > I bought the repeater with the intention of syncing it to other MIDI > rhythmic > > sound making devices, and it just isn't working for me. > > > > Try this experiment to make it obvious: > > Slave a drum machine to Repeater MIDI out. etc. >Are you sure this is happening? Try it again and make sure the Repeater >hasn't been put to sleep prior to your test. Unplug it and start it fresh. >I'm using the Repeater slaved to a Roland MC-307 and I've found NO midi >synch problems at all. Charles was talking about clock out, and you are talking about clock in. Pretty big difference to me. Brett was talking about sync to midi clock in problems. I'm having accuracy problems both ways. All directly out of power up on the Repeater. I also saw some bugs where it did some weird stuff and I had to power cycle it to fix them, although I haven't been putting mine to sleep so it wasn't that. I do really like the idea of time stretching loops to match a changing input tempo from midi sync. That actually does seem to work, at least as well as sync works on repeater, and it's pretty cool. but I do have a "gotta walk before you run" feeling here. Sync just has to work better at the basic level. Before the "it don't seem to work right" problems, I have one issue with just the basic way midi sync in works that is driving me nuts. I really want Repeater to automate this a little better for me so I can be busy with something else while repeater captures the loop. I basically want to be able to tell it that the loop is to be 2 bars or 4 bars or 9 bars or whatever at a given time signature. Then I want to push Record and have the Repeater capture that much time based on the incoming midi clock, and start looping it. I don't want to have to press it myself exactly at the end, like seems to be required now. (or am I missing something?) If I push too early by an eighth note or more, it just goes ahead and makes that the loop, and tells me I'm in 3/4 time or 5/4 or whatever, and the resulting loop is a mess. I want to be lazier about that end point so I can focus on other things, and know that the machine will do what machines are good at, which is grab precise amounts of loop time that I tell it to do up front and then lock it in sync... This is something I really prefer about sync on the Echoplex, you can be really imprecise about it as the user and barely pay any attention to the echoplex, and the machine takes care of locking it in precisely. On the Repeater though, I'm constantly having trouble with this. here are the actual problems I found: For midi clock out: - Repeater always sends clock! is there any way to turn it off? Right when you boot up it is sending clock. In every sync mode it sends clock! I want to choose! - There is something weird about Repeater's midi clock out. I'm going to analyze it later with Max, but I haven't had a chance for that yet. Some devices are fine and some devices get screwed up. One notable example is the EDP, which syncs like a champ to other stuff I have, including my "gold standard" clock devices. but not to the Repeater. It gets the loop length slightly long, as if it missed a few clock pulses. Then it shows it's sync LED like it is syncing fine to that slightly slower tempo, so whatever Repeater is sending is consistent. Real weird, I haven't seen that one before. I'll be investigating this more, so more later. I do notice when I use slow tempo and set the echoplex to only grab one beat or one eighth note using Repeater's clock, the resulting loop times will vary by as much as 40 ms! The same test with the alesis drum machine to the edp is dead on every time, at least to the 5ms of resolution I have in the EDP display for this case. This could be a problem specific between the echoplex and repeater, or it could be a problem everywhere that the echoplex just happens to reveal. Most devices only care about the tempo from one beat to another, so they don't have to keep track of many clock pulses and they will be forgiving of a missing pulse or two. With Loop sync though, you have to count up a lot more clock pulses to get the length right, and the smallest errors really add up as the loop cycles. So it is hard to say what the problem really is here until I look into it more. - Really more of an echoplex problem, but repeater happens to do the thing that causes it: There is the annoying problem of the current echoplex software where it is a little dumb about StartSong messages, and uses the first midi clock it gets for it's reference of the startpoint of the loop. This is fine in a lot of cases, since many devices don't send clock until they start playing anyway. But Repeater always sends clock, and uses the StartSong message to note the beginning. (which is arguably the better way to do it, but obviously not compatible with everything, and it would be nice if the clock out wasn't always on or could be selectable.) So the startpoint of the echoplex doesn't match the loop startpoint of repeater, but that can be worked around by changing the startpoint reference on the echoplex. Or you could just not care, because it is a loop and as long as the lengths are equal it is ok. (although they currently are not equal between EDP and repeater). The next version of the EDP software is far, far better about this sort of startsong thing.... - If I have midi sync out going for a while to a drum sequencer, I also notice weird things where some drum hits on the receiver are a little off one way or another for a beat, then it comes back, same as Charles noticed. It seems a little unstable. Maybe these are the same missing pulses that are screwing up the echoplex. - My old alesis drum machine gets the tempo correctly from Repeater. I know it has very solid time, so it is good for testing these things. (I use it all the time to test sync on other devices, because it is such a good reference.) I used Repeater to send it a clock at 120BPM, and recorded the sync'd drum pattern back into repeater. Then I let the two play together and see how well sync'd they are. Repeater output is consistently off significantly from the drum machine, so that I am hearing a lot of flamming between the two drum tracks. That means the sync is not very tight. It wanders around quite a bit too, but they don't come together, so it isn't very stable somehow. Same test on the EDP is very solid. For me, this sort of loose sync is a serious problem that Electrix really needs to fix. [This drum machine sync method is one of my standard sync tests. I beat the EDP to death with this type of test. Passing means I will only hear minor phase problems, because midi clock is not accurate enough to sync to the sample level. The most perfect midi clock sync will still give phase problems in this test. How much phase problem and how much it moves around is interesting. But I should never hear the drums flam. That means the sync is not very tight. And if I do hear flams, I don't want to hear it changing a lot because that means the clock has serious jitter problems. ] Midi Clock in: - similar test with the drum machine, other direction. drum machine sends clock to Repeater, plays drum sequence to Repeater. Record drum sequence in repeater and play back with the original sequence, in sync. Same problem, Repeater flams pretty badly and wanders around the beat. Same test on the EDP is dead on and you barely hear any phase change. - As noted above, it is hard to capture a loop in sync at the right time signature without being pretty precise about your tapping. using midi sync should eliminate the need for that precision. I frequently get it wrong. - if you are off by an eighth note when capturing the loop, Repeater suddenly doubles the tempo indication. So a 125BPM input clock was read as 250BPM because I happened to close the loop a little closer to the 15th 8th note instead of the 16th. I couldn't figure out how to convince it to go back to the real tempo without doing a power cycle, so I guess this is a bug. Really hard on fast tempos to get it right. With a 234BPM clock I wound up with repeater at 468BPM! I don't think anybody can play that fast. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 15:24:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10747; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:02:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:02:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010910144930.04d2ebe8@pop1.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:49:55 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: Re: Repeater: Persistent Problems with Sync In-Reply-To: <003a01c13a28$0051fac0$080210ac@jpalmer> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:40 PM 9/10/2001, jim palmer wrote: >i think i see a pattern here. >everyone that seems to be having trouble synching is using >the repeater as a source of midi clock. >is that correct? no. i am using it as a slave. i am using logic audio as a source. plexus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 15:50:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13739; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:28:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:28:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:11:14 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: EDP question/etc. In-reply-to: <013401c13a28$0bb998a0$6401a8c0@nc.rr.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: diatom drone , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <014f01c13a0d$cc3a1930$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <013401c13a28$0bb998a0$6401a8c0@nc.rr.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:40 PM -0400 9/10/01, diatom drone wrote: >any particular hardware units with really nice time >based effects that reverse the dry signal live. Eventide Harmonizers can do this in various ways. The H3000 has a Reverse Shift algorithm that automatically records a user-specified length of signal and then automatically plays it back reversed. The DSP4000 and Orville can do this sort of thing under user control, so you can record a phrase and then manually (or pedally) trigger reverse playback. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 15:51:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13749; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:28:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:28:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9D1130.DF2428A0@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:14:51 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: the dt challenge References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010910001453.00b02e90@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I did buy the Repeater for it's possible "live" uses (I've not gig'd in years, but my recordings are mostly improvised and therefore need gear that can react in "realtime") So far, other than one time when I got a "CFC SLOW" message, I've been mostly happy. Getting the unit to cue up a new loop and go into record and having the ability to kill the input to the output, will pretty much take care of my issues. That sounds like future software updates as far as I can tell. Sounds like the cue up a new loop into record is a feature that was removed from the beta version for some reason. Hopefully Electrix will add it back. As far as the CFC issues go, I think that most CFC manufactures probably don't care much about having a great speed spec. Since digital cameras are the main use at this point, performance doesn't matter too much. Maybe now, that this and other devices start using CFC technology, manufactures will develop faster cards. Sure, they'll cost more, but I've paid more for SCSI hard drives for years to get that extra performance. I keep hearing about the Repeater being a "hardware" version of ACID, and while it shares some of it's cool features, it adds a major one that I feel puts it in a new category. Realtime audio recording. If ACID could record what I'm doing and loop it in real time, my guess is I'd be using ACID and a laptop instead of a Repeater right now. It doesn't so I don't. This makes the Repeater a live looper, as far as I can see. So is it perfect? No, but it sure is close, imo. If I had only $600 or so dollars to spend on a looper (which I did) I'd do what I did, which is get a Repeater. The hardware of the Echoplex has not changed in years, as far as I can see. Memory is cheap now, processors are faster. If I were Gibson, I'd have a stereo Echoplex on the drawing board, with some modern memory format. If it were non volatile, all the better. Why not put a gig of memory (about $150 in today's retail prices) in a looper (instead of the Repeater's measily 8 meg) and a zip disk so that loops could be easily saved to when needed? Then the Echoplex would be the überlooper. Mark Sottilaro Kim Flint wrote: > At 10:10 PM 9/9/2001, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > > >It also does this "not ready" thing when you are in play and try to jump in > > >and out of overdub quickly several times in a row. This is a technique I > > >like a lot. > >me, too. > >w/'record/replace' (as opposed to 'overdub'), as well. > > right. unfortunately that way gives you "not ready" also if you go to quick > for it. > > >meanwhile, k: > >is there anything ya like about the unit, at this juncture? > >dt / s-c > > Fair enough question! I can be a tough critic. Just ask Matthias. He's put > up with me thrashing every minute detail of the EDP for years. :-) > > So, the all-positive kim repeater review: > > The function I immediately loved in Repeater was Slip. Kind of unexpected, > because on the surface it almost sounds boring. You can shift tracks in > time against the others. But it did exactly what I thought it would do, it > was really easy to use and figure out, and it was a lot of fun. No > frustrations at all, and useful too! I can take a part on a given track and > pull it a little ahead and behind the beat, giving different rhythmic > feels. I like that. Or clean it up a bit rhythmically if it was a little > sloppy. Or move it to a completely different spot against the other tracks > and really change up the feel. Also, you can tie tracks together or move > them independently, all of which I was able to figure out in seconds > without looking at the manual. Very satisfying. > > Even in simple ways this is eye-opening. (or ear-opening.) For example, I > have a simple 2 bar hip-hoppish drum groove on one track, and some lame > whole note jazz guitar chords on another track. I put them down quick to > try out some other functions, so it's kinda dorky sounding. I was > rhythmically spot on with my first chord, but the second was a little late. > Bugs me. With Slip I can pull the thing a little bit, so the first chord is > a little ahead of the beat and the second is right on. Much better! It fits > the feel of the hip hop groove. Or even better, I took the whole guitar > part and shifted it backwards in relation to the drums to hear what it > sounds like when starting from different eighth notes. For whatever reason, > my ears are insisting that the big whole note chords represent the > downbeat, irregardless of what the drums are doing. So fine, I accept that. > When I got the first chord at the 'and' of two on the first bar of the > drums, bam! My dork hip-hop drum groove became as funky as hell there! I > never would have thought of a drum pattern like that, and it is exactly the > same except shifted by a beat and a half against what I'm now thinking of > as the down beat. Now that is a useful function! > > I think that speaks to what Repeater is really useful as. A self-contained, > loop-based 4-track recorder. (like it says on the box.) Looking at the > feature set, the industrial design, the manual, etc, I think that is really > what it was designed to be. Like Acid or Sonar in a box, or a simple, > self-contained remix environment. No need for a computer or big mixing > console or whatever. Everything you need to do that is right there. > Storage, simple mixing and routing functions, an assortment of I/O options, > four tracks, a few features found in common plug-ins and audio sequencer > programs (pitch shifting, time stretch, slip, etc.), familiar > tape-transport interface, etc. > > I think that is all great for a couple of reasons. One is it makes for a > simplified studio that is easy to use for people who don't want to deal > with a computer based setup with a lot of extra outboard gear. Second, I > think the looping approach is really useful for recording applications. It > really helps you sketch out ideas and quickly find what works, especially > if you compose loop oriented music with static loops (like most dance music > these days). Repeater makes it really easy to throw different ideas > together, different samples and live played bits, and while they loop you > can try different effects, different mixes, change a part, try different > tempo, different pitch, screw around with the rhythm, take a part out, put > it back, etc. For the price, it does these things really well. > > If you saw the Repeater advertising and didn't get past "4 tracks" and > "looper" and immediately had visions of the ultimate performance-oriented > real-time looper, or the uber-echoplex, get ready for disappointment. (of > your own doing, imho, cause you didn't read the rest of the details....) > That's clearly not the point of the Repeater. When you hold the Repeater up > against the Echoplex, or even the Boomerang or JamMan for the real-time, > performance oriented looping functionality where those boxes shine, the > Repeater just falls on it's face. Likewise, when you hold those boxes up > against the recording studio functionality of the Repeater, they fall over > too! It just isn't the same kind of thing. > > Sure, Repeater does a few things those don't do, and you could use Repeater > in a real-time performance looping application and get some good mileage > out of it. But that's not the soul of this beast, and so the list of basic > real-time loop functions that it doesn't do is pretty long. > > It seems like Electrix made some effort to add some features like that in > the Repeater, probably due to people on this list throwing ideas and > questions at them from left field. But that really isn't it's strong point > at all, and the lack of depth in those functions makes that clear. > Likewise, if you thought Repeater was a sampler, it isn't. If you thought > it would replace a roland VP-9000, it won't. > > Think "Recording", think "Studio", think "elegant and self-contained", > think "Acid in hardware", think "loop-based recorder", think "economical" > and I think you will get the idea, and you will really enjoy using the > Repeater. > > There, better? > > now I will go back to being my usual surly, cynical, and harshly-critical > self. > >:-> > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 16:08:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16117; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:44:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:44:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:33:35 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: EDP question/etc. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <007e01c13a2f$7bdf9a10$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <014f01c13a0d$cc3a1930$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <3B9CF757.F75E00A7@iwvisp.com> <003701c13a27$da65e150$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > "look before you loop" ughhhh! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 16:18:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17534; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:55:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:55:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <6a.132c4a31.28ce7181@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:41:53 EDT Subject: Gratuitous Self-Aggrandizement Dept. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA15999 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Please excuse the tiresome self-promotion. I don't write so very often (though I've been lurking here for over six years or more). My recent CD project just got it's first online review and I can't help but want to share. It's kinda funny. It (the review) is sarcastic, well written and (to be fair) probably pretty darn accurate. It could be taken as either positive or negative depending on your tastes. I myself am not entirely sure -- ha! I'm just thrilled to have some press finally. I pass it along to you thus ... see you on the funway! >From DEAD ANGEL (Issue 48 - 9/01/01) URL: http://www.monotremata.com/dead/issues/da48.html Ted Killian -- FLUX AETERNA [pfMENTUM] I've never heard of guitarist Ted Killian before, but apparently i should have. He's a guitarist in the vein of Fripp, Sharrock, and maybe even David Gilmour, creating droning and repetitive soundscapes with tweaked electric and acoustic guitars, often over a bedrock of alien-sounding loops. Some of this, like "Last Sparrow," is the sound of machines hallucinating -- in fact, in many ways this is a throwback to seventies acid-rock, only with more modern (and out-there) influences. Ambient, singing guitars play hypnotic avant-blues lines while other guitars hover quietly in the background on lock 'n lull. Imagine Sonny Sharrock playing for Pink Floyd while Fripp natters on in the background with slo-mo starlight guitar loops that suffice for a "beat." That's the general gist of the songs here. The opener, "Hubble," begins with throbbing, swirling drone and graduates to brilliant, celestial guitars bursting like fireworks. "Leaving Medford," probably owes as much to Tangerine Dream as it does to any avant-guitar icons -- it's a pulsing slab o' tones rippling beneath a winding, scorched-earth guitar playing demented psychedelic machine blues. My favorite is probably "Last Sparrow," which opens with an endless chittering guitar loop, then slowly builds to a massive, droning collection of drawn-out machine tones before exiting on the same endless loop. "Recurvate Paint" sounds like something that could have come about during a collaboration with David Gilmour, circa his first solo album, and Fripp during his ambient Frippertronics phase. Pinging, ringing, endless ambient guitars become the backdrop to slo-mo psychedelic blues -- it sounds glacial and beautiful and seems to last forever. "Reverse Logic" is pretty bizarre in its own right, sounding like M's "Pop Muzak" as remixed by Techno-Animal and ripped apart, then rebuilt by grindcore players under the direction of Sonny Sharrock and Painkiller. By contrast, the guitars in "Convocation Solitaire" are all pretty ones -- acoustic, electric, clean, distorted, whatever, they're ringing those celestial tones. "Gravity Suspended" almost sounds like it could have come from a mislaid late-sixties Pink Floyd record -- in a lot of ways it's a kissing cousin to "The Narrow Way" -- but the title track is far weirder, more alien and monochromatic, like the sound of the Monolith in 2001 vibrating, until a violin-like guitar soars above the increasingly noisy bedrock. This is seriously spaced-out stuff, and really well-executed to boot. This disc is one of the unexpected surprises of the issue.... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 16:20:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17701; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:56:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:56:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9D17B4.F357F908@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:42:39 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP question/etc. References: <014f01c13a0d$cc3a1930$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <3B9CF757.F75E00A7@iwvisp.com> <003701c13a27$da65e150$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dennis Leas wrote:In the meantime, doesn't the Againator have a precognition mode? I think > you set the pre-loop delay to a negative value or something....perhaps it's > listed under "look before you loop" in the index. > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com We did initially put that feature in the Againinator, but have been forced to take it out. It seems that when precognition was put in, the Againinator would shake a bit and sadly go cry in a corner on too many occasions. Mark Sottilaro CEO Againinator Inc. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 16:34:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20907; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 16:12:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 16:12:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9D1BE5.3D28627@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:00:32 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP question/etc. References: <014f01c13a0d$cc3a1930$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <013401c13a28$0bb998a0$6401a8c0@nc.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Digitech 2120, SpaceStation and the Johnson Amps have this feature as well. Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 2:40 PM -0400 9/10/01, diatom drone wrote: > > >any particular hardware units with really nice time > >based effects that reverse the dry signal live. > > Eventide Harmonizers can do this in various ways. The H3000 has a > Reverse Shift algorithm that automatically records a user-specified > length of signal and then automatically plays it back reversed. The > DSP4000 and Orville can do this sort of thing under user control, so > you can record a phrase and then manually (or pedally) trigger > reverse playback. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 16:36:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20961; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 16:12:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 16:12:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9D1B9D.2CD620C9@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:59:19 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater: Persistent Problems with Sync References: <3B9C543B.D716279D@voicenet.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20010910022902.0443fa50@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim Flint wrote: > > Before the "it don't seem to work right" problems, I have one issue with > just the basic way midi sync in works that is driving me nuts. I really > want Repeater to automate this a little better for me so I can be busy with > something else while repeater captures the loop. I basically want to be > able to tell it that the loop is to be 2 bars or 4 bars or 9 bars or > whatever at a given time signature. Then I want to push Record and have the > Repeater capture that much time based on the incoming midi clock, and start > looping it. I don't want to have to press it myself exactly at the end, > like seems to be required now. (or am I missing something?) If I push too > early by an eighth note or more, it just goes ahead and makes that the > loop, and tells me I'm in 3/4 time or 5/4 or whatever, and the resulting > loop is a mess. I want to be lazier about that end point so I can focus on > other things, and know that the machine will do what machines are good at, > which is grab precise amounts of loop time that I tell it to do up front > and then lock it in sync... This is something I really prefer about sync on > the Echoplex, you can be really imprecise about it as the user and barely > pay any attention to the echoplex, and the machine takes care of locking it > in precisely. On the Repeater though, I'm constantly having trouble with this. > I totally agree, that would be much better than the way it is. Repeater output is consistently off > significantly from the drum machine, so that I am hearing a lot of flamming > between the two drum tracks. That means the sync is not very tight. It > wanders around quite a bit too, but they don't come together, so it isn't > very stable somehow. Same test on the EDP is very solid. For me, this sort > of loose sync is a serious problem that Electrix really needs to fix. So far, I haven't seen this, but I've not done the drum record test. I've been spending a lot of time setting up a new computer, so I admit that my tests are no why as precise as yours, Kim. As for the midi clock out all the time deal, my Roland MC-307 does this as well, and actually I find it a good way to start something at a tempo, sans sequence, and then add it in at a later time and have it synched to what I played. Bug? Feature? Probably be best if it could be defeated if the user desired it that way. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 16:41:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21674; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 16:18:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 16:18:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9D1EF1.6FDED7A8@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:18:43 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT reverse trivia (was EDP question/etc.) References: <014f01c13a0d$cc3a1930$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <000501c13a1d$a8c749e0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dennis Leas wrote: > > Does that mean you've figured out how to PLAY in reverse? > > (: !ESREVER ni (gnipyt dna) gnikaeps no gnikrow m'I tub, oN > > But for some time I've want to memorize, "?taht htiw seirf emos ekil uoy > dluoW", and speak it into a looper during a performance, then I'd reverse > the loop... > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com last episode of david lynch's twin peaks had a scene with a funny little guy walking oddly through the set jabbering away rather strangely. the actor practiced walking & talking backwards & then lynch ran footage in reverse so it had the general sound and appearance of being "right" but also somehow very "wrong"...don't think he mentioned fries, though. and there's kubrick's red room motif in the shining (redroom=murder). i won't get into the beatles, but hendrix of course practiced all of his backwards solos in reverse (see the eddie kramer article in the latest issue of tapeop for more details...). lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 16:53:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23358; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 16:30:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 16:30:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <61.133c1031.28ce79de@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 16:17:34 EDT Subject: Re: MFC10 Latency To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Andy Butler said that he was going > to use a TRS for certain functions to resolve the practical aspects of this > problem. Of course, I'm hoping that there isn't an issue at all. I'll let > you know how the MFC10 matches up with the Repeater. My MFC10 waits a long time after I press a button to when it sends a signal, I checked this really carefully by A/B ing You can take the switches apart on the MFC10, remove the big springs and leave the small ones, that makes the switches much easier to push. ..but it still waits a long time before it sends a signal. Luckily the delay is constant, so starting and finishing a loop with the MFC10 gives you the correct loop length.(but you lose the attack of the first note) andy butler Has anyone assessed the MIDI latency on the Repeater? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 16:55:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24002; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 16:33:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 16:33:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:23:12 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Repeater: Persistent Problems with Sync To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00b201c13a36$6a08a140$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010910144930.04d2ebe8@pop1.sympatico.ca> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com so much for that theory... kim, you said repeater always sends midi clock. does it do this even if it is set to synch to midi? > At 02:40 PM 9/10/2001, jim palmer wrote: > >i think i see a pattern here. > >everyone that seems to be having trouble synching is using > >the repeater as a source of midi clock. > >is that correct? > > no. i am using it as a slave. i am using logic audio as a source. > > plexus > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 17:39:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31711; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 17:15:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 17:15:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e401c13a3c$3a6aa180$265ed9c8@r5f3d1> From: "IG2" To: Subject: Sarmiento . Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:57:50 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lei esto en LNP y me acorde de la imagen de Sarmiento que me enseñaron , un tipo serisimo que ponia la educacion antes que todo ... el tipo le que le hace las preguntas , manipula un poco para el lado moralista y etc etc ... algunos piensan que Sarmiento era un facho ... como no conosco bien su historia , muchas de estas frases suyas me sorprendieron y me parecen muy actuales ...es medio largo ... leanlo aunque sea las respuestas y diganme que piensan . ciego Pd: no se crean que leo la revista de LNP todos los domingos ! hahahaha Sarmiento y la actualidad ¡GRANDE, MAESTRO! Creía que la educación pública era un derecho de los gobernados y una obligación de los gobiernos. y los adultos de hoy heredamos su mayor obsesión:sabemos que sin escuelas no hay futuro para ningún país. ¿qué diría don domingo de este presente complejo en el que los docentes cobran cada vez menos y la deserción crece? Texto Rodolfo Braceli Ilustraciones Pablo Bernasconi Como decíamos respecto de San Martín hace cuatro números, nuestros mentados próceres mueren cuando mueren y cuando los inmovilizamos en el bronce. Precisamente, para descongelar al prócer Sarmiento me pongo a conversar con sus palabras fuera de contexto, pero textuales (por eso las comillas). Lo traigo a nuestro inquietante presente. Vale la pena charlar sin ataduras con ese hombre que, aparte de "inventar la escuela", ser periodista, político, filólogo, arquitecto, crítico de arte, militar, hacedor de museos, exiliado, pionero a raja cincha, aparte de ser presidente de la Nación, fue, es, un escritor que cada día escribe mejor. País adentro, desde la pobreza, lo hizo todo a mano, a pulso. -Buen día. ¿Tiene hora, don Sarmiento? -"Son las seis de la mañana apenas, mi querido amigo..." -¿Sabe la hora sin mirar el reloj? -Es que el "el sol está ahí, ya en el borde del horizonte". -Don, francamente no sé por dónde entrarle a esta conversación. Ya decir "buen día" es un disparate que hasta puede provocar una hernia de corazón. Entrados en el siglo XXI estamos en la ruina. No tuvimos... -"Ojos para prever el abismo de males en que iba a ser sepultada la República." -Hambre, desocupación, analfabetismo, corrupción, y la muy peligrosa impunidad de la desmemoria... -"No saben hoy por dónde salir del pantano en que" ustedes "mismos se han metido". -Y ni hablar de eso que llamamos clase dirigente. -"A veces tan negados los pobres, que para arrieros serían torpes." -Y mejor no contarle sobre los presupuestos para educación. -"¿Hoy no tenéis ya ni escuelas siquiera?" -Desde hace décadas, en todos los sentidos, nos han ido analfabetizando. -"Y el nivel de la barbarie lo pasean a su altura los mismos que os gobiernan. De la ignorancia general, hay otro paso, la pobreza de todos, y..." -¿Y? -"Y ya lo habéis dado." -¿Y el paso que sigue? -"La oscuridad, ¡y desaparecen enseguida los pueblos, sin que se sepa a dónde ni cuándo se fueron!" -Por un casual, ¿habría otra salida que no fuera la oscuridad? -"La educación pública", "derecho de los gobernados, obligación del Gobierno y necesidad absoluta de la sociedad... La enseñanza y el sostén de la enseñanza no deben ser pospuestos a ninguna otra necesidad". -Esto, justamente, es lo que no se hizo ni se hace. -Hay que "preparar a la nación en masa para el uso de los derechos que hoy no pertenecen ya a tal o cual clase de la sociedad, sino simplemente a la condición de hombre". -Lo real es que la brecha cultural que separa a los pudientes de los pobres es casi un abismo. -"La condición social de los hombres depende muchas veces de circunstancias ajenas de la voluntad. Un padre pobre no puede ser responsable de la educación de sus hijos; pero la sociedad en masa tiene interés vital en asegurarse de que todos los individuos que han de venir con el tiempo a formar la nación hayan, por la educación recibida en su infancia, preparádose suficientemente para desempeñar las funciones sociales a que serán llamados." -Suena a ciencia ficción. -"Pobre patria mía... La dignidad del Estado, la gloria de una nación no pueden ya cifrarse, pues, sino en la dignidad de condición de sus súbditos... Si la educación no prepara a las venideras generaciones, el resultado será la pobreza y oscuridad nacional." -En eso estamos: nuestra clase media muta en pobre, nuestros pobres mutan en desclasados... Sin exagerar le reitero: la brecha ya es un abismo. -"Por hondo que el abismo sea, no hemos de precipitarnos en él a sabiendas. Ruda sin duda es nuestra tarea." Debemos "prepararnos para la nueva existencia sin dejar excluidos, como hasta aquí, a los que no pueden bastarse a sí mismos". -Entonces, educación pública sí o sí. -"Es muy seguro que no educando a las generaciones nuevas, todos los defectos de que nuestra organización actual adolece continuarán existiendo, y tomando proporciones más colosales. ¿Cuánto se gasta anualmente en educación pública?" -Se gasta cada vez menos; malvendimos suelo y subsuelo... -"Pobre patria." -¿Patria? Don Sarmiento, aquí ya no quedan ni los mástiles... Pero esto no deja de ser una desgracia con suerte, porque no sabríamos qué bandera poner. En fin, vuelvo a la pregunta: ¿cómo salimos de esto? -"Con la instrucción derramada con tenacidad, con profusión, con generalidad entre la clase trabajadora... entre millares de infelices, abandonados al embrutecimiento." -Lo que sí se multiplican son los bancos. Por décadas, hemos hipotecado hasta el mapa. Ahora somos unos hijos del ajuste. -"No deben hacerse economías criminales en este punto, cuando media la salud de una generación entera." Además, también "los bancos obran sobre el espíritu de nuestros niños"... -No me refería a los bancos de las escuelas, sino a las cuevas de dinero. -"Los bancos de las escuelas", digo, "deben estar de tal manera construidos que todo el muslo pueda reposar sobre ellos". Basta de bancos "que parecen estar construidos para atormentar los miembros."(...) "¿Es ésta, por ventura, la educación que van a recibir los niños en una escuela pública?" -Da la impresión de que usted ha estado visitando escuelas del interior. -"He recorrido escuelas de aquí y de la Europa... he podido comprender que el respeto debido a los individuos de nuestra especie" empieza "en la forma y amueblado de las escuelas". -Veo su puño izquierdo enroscado. Si su puño hablara, ¿qué diría ahora? -"Que no deben hacerse economías criminales en este punto." -Le pasaremos el dato a un reiterado ministro de Economía. Nos vienen derrotando, sabe... -"¡Vergüenza para los vencedores!" -A propósito de la delincuencia, de la criminalidad, usted, experimentado estadista, ¿qué tiene para decirnos? -Que "las estadísticas prueban que la instrucción moraliza", que "hay más acusados entre la gente iletrada que entre los que han recibido alguna instrucción". -¿Cuál cree que debería ser el objetivo de todo docente? -"Enseñar a pensar. Por desgracia, el más descuidado en todos nuestros sistemas." -¿Qué piensa de nuestros escribas? -"Lo divinizan todo, hasta la desesperación y el desencanto... Mientras otros fecundan la tierra, cantad vosotros como la cigarra." -Quiere decir que nos vamos en palabras. -"Mientras los recién venidos cuentan los patacones." -Hablemos de su niñez. Cierre los ojos. ¿Qué imagen y sonidos le vienen? -"La patriarcal higuera que sombreaba aquel telar de mi madre" (...) "Los golpes y traqueteos de husos, pedales y lanzadera." -Continuemos en su casa. -"Veinte varas escasas de fondo... Tres naranjos daban fruto en el otoño, sombra en todos los tiempos; bajo un durazno corpulento, había un pequeño pozo de agua para el solaz de tres o cuatro patos, que multiplicándose, daban su contribución al complicado y diminuto sistema de rentas sobre el que reposaba la familia; y como todos estos medios eran insuficientes, rodeado de cerco, para ponerlo a cubierto de la voracidad de los pollos, había un jardín de hortalizas, del tamaño de un escapulario, y que producía cuantas legumbres entran en la cocina americana, el todo." (...) "Así se realizaba en una casa la exquisita economía de terreno. El estiércol de las gallinas y la bosta del caballo en que montaba mi padre, pasaban diariamente a dar nueva animación a aquel pedazo de tierra, que no se cansó nunca de dar variadas y lozanas plantas." (...) "Todavía había en aquella Arca de Noé un pudridor de afrecho de donde salía todas las semanas una buena proporción de blanco y diminuto almidón. En los tiempos prósperos se añadía una fábrica de velas hechas a mano." -Pasemos al alumno Sarmiento. ¿Era excepcional? -Con decirle que "siendo alumno de la escuela de lectura, construyóse en uno de sus extremos un asiento elevado como un solio, a que se subía por gradas, y fui yo elevado a él, con el nombre de ¡primer ciudadano!" (...) "Esta circunstancia, la publicidad adquirida desde entonces", en fin, "han debido contribuir a dar a mis manifestaciones cierto carácter de fatuidad de que me han hecho apercibirme más tarde. Yo creía desde niño en mis talentos..." -Digamos que parece que usted era un poquito insoportable. -"Dábanme además una superioridad decidida mis frecuentes lecturas de cosas contrarias a la enseñanza." -¿Y cómo era su conducta escolar? -Reconozco mi "fatuidad... tenía notas de policía, llegaba tarde, me escabullía sin licencia, y otras diabluras con las que me desquitaba del aburrimiento." -¿Es cierto que los Sarmiento tenían fama de embusteros?" -"Dirélo... la familia de los Sarmiento tiene en San Juan una no disputada reputación, que han heredado de padres a hijos... reputación de embusteros. No me queda duda de que es una cualidad de familia." (...) "Mi madre, empero, se había premunido para no dejar entrar con mi padre aquella polilla en su casa, y nosotros fuimos criados en un santo horror por la mentira." -Cada vez que nombra a su madre su imponencia se llena de ternura. Ya hablaremos de ella. Antes cuéntenos: ¿fue un traga? ¿Jugaba a la pelota? -"No supe nunca hacer bailar un trompo, rebotar la pelota, encumbrar una cometa, ni uno solo de los juegos infantiles." -¿Qué soñaba ser? -Crecí "en la persuasión de que iba a ser cura, a imitación de mi tío". Hacía santos y soldados de barro. -De modo que cura y militar... -"Asístía cuando de niño de trece años a una devota capilla, en casa del jorobado Rodríguez... Por la tarde de los domingos yo tornaba en general en jefe de un ejército de muchachos, y, ¡ay! de los que quisiesen hacer frente a aquella lluvia de piedras que salía del seno de mi falange... Barrilito, Piojito, el guacho Riberos, el Chaguña..." Recuerdo un desigual combate de pedradas, "yo y aquellos seis enfrentamos a quinientos diablejos.... No hizo más Leónidas con sus trescientos espartanos en las famosas Termópilas..." -Así que fue precursor de las patotas bravas. ¿Y los libros? -"Yo me lancé enseguida en busca de los libros, para aprender sin necesidad de maestros en aquella remota provincia." (...) "Fue el primero la vida de Cicerón, el segundo fue la vida de Franklin, y libro alguno me ha hecho más bien que ése." -No me diga que se sentía Franklin. -"¿Y por qué no? Era yo pobrísimo como él, estudioso como él, y dándome maña y siguiendo sus huellas podía un día llegar a formarme como él, ser doctor ad honorem como él, y hacerme un lugar en las letras y en la política americana... Alienta tanto su ejemplo a ser un Franklincito." -¿A qué edad tuvo su primera cárcel? -"A los dieciséis años entré en la cárcel, y salí de ella con opiniones políticas, lo contrario de la moral de resignación y el anonadamiento." Recuerdo que fui llamado "por el coronel don Manuel Quiroga, gobernador de San Juan, que a la sazón tomaba el solcito. Como no respondiese el gobernador a mi respetuoso saludo" me "calé mi sombrero... los ojos clavados el uno en el otro, el gobernador empeñado en hacérmelos bajar a mí, por los rayos de cólera que partían de los suyos..." -¿Y? -"Yo con los míos, fijos, sin pestañear." -¿Y? -"Lo vencí, y enajenado de cólera, llamó a un edecán y me envió a la cárcel." -Duro de pelar. ¿Qué siente ante la posibilidad de hablar sobre su madre? -"Siento una opresión de corazón", porque "la madre es para el hombre la personificación de la providencia, es la tierra viviente a que adhiere el corazón, como las raíces al suelo". -¿Inevitable el elogio de la propia madre? -"San Agustín elogió tanto a la suya, que la Iglesia la puso a su lado en los altares. Para los efectos del corazón no hay madre igual a aquella que nos ha cabido en suerte... La mía, empero, Dios lo sabe, es digna de los honores de la apoteosis." -Usted habla como quien quiere vindicarla. -"Vindicación contra las injusticias de la suerte. ¡Pobre mi madre!" -Perdón, si sigue por ahí, desembocará en un tango virtual: Pobre mi madre querida... Sigamos. ¿Suele soñar con ella? -"En Nápoles, la noche que descendí del Vesubio, la fiebre de las emociones del día me daba pesadillas horribles, y al despertar de entre aquellos sueños que querían despedazarme, una sola idea quedaba tenaz, persistente como un hecho real: ¡mi madre había muerto! Escribí esa noche a mi familia, compré quince días después una misa de réquiem en Roma." Hasta pensé "presentarme a mi patria un día, y decirle a Benavides, a Rosas, a todos mis verdugos: vosotros también habéis tenido madre, vengo a honrar la memoria de la mía, haced, pues, un paréntesis a las brutalidades de vuestra política". -Pero su madre estaba viva. -"Por fortuna... A los setenta y seis años de edad, mi madre ha atravesado la cordillera de los Andes ¡para despedirse de su hijo, antes de descender a la tumba!" -Cuéntenos algo más de doña Paula. -"Sabía leer y escribir en su juventud, habiendo perdido por desuso esta última facultad cuando era anciana. Su inteligencia es poco cultivada, si bien tan clara, que en una clase de gramática que yo hacía a mis hermanas, ella de sólo escuchar, mientras por la noche escarmenaba su vellón de lana, resolvía todas las dificultades que a sus hijas dejaban paradas, dando las definiciones de nombres y verbos, los tiempos, y más tarde los accidentes de oración, con una sagacidad y exactitud raras." -¿Muy religiosa su madre? -"Se confesaba sólo tres veces al año... Fue siempre parca la magnificencia divina con ella. No conozco alma más religiosa, y sin embargo, no vi entre las mujeres cristianas otra más desprendida de las prácticas del culto." -¿Qué nos dice de la obrera textil? -"Las industrias manuales poseídas por mi madre son tantas y tan varias, que su enumeración fatigaría la memoria con nombres que hoy no tienen ya significado." Sí, era "una noble obrera textil". -Y del hombre de su madre, es decir, su papá, ¿qué nos cuenta? -"José Clemente Sarmiento, mi padre, joven apuesto... Era arriero en la tropa, lindo de cara..." -Lindo de cara, ¿y qué más? -"Y con una irresistible pasión por los placeres de la juventud, carecía de aquella constancia maquinal que funda las fortunas..." -Digamos que su padre no era muy dado al trabajo. -"Tenía... un odio invencible por el trabajo material, y una imaginación fácil de ceder a la excitación del entusiasmo." -Con su señor padre se da aquello, tan frecuente: detrás de una gran mujer no siempre hay un hombre correspondiente. -"Mi padre pasó toda su vida en comienzo de especulaciones... trabajaba con tesón y caía en el desaliento. El sostén de mi familia recayó desde los principios del matrimonio sobre los hombros de mi madre." -De todas maneras, usted ha sabido, vía materna, afrontar la pobreza. -"La noble virtud de la pobreza. ¡Pobres hombres los favorecidos de la fortuna, que no conciben la pobreza a la antigua, pobreza de patricio romano" (...) "La escasez es un acaso y no una deshonra", decía "mi madre". -¿Es cierto que usted fundó una escuela siendo adolescente? -"La escuela de San Francisco del Monte, en la campaña semibárbara de San Luis." Yo mismo "tracé el plano de una villa, abrimos una escuela y el maestro era yo, el menor de todos, pues tenía quince años". -¿Sueldo? -"El ruido de las palmas, el canto de las aves, mil atenciones de los paisanos, algunos quesos o huevos de avestruz obsequiados por estas buenas gentes" a mí y "a mi tío, el cura José de Oro". -Qué salto el suyo: desde San Luis a la Europa. -Ningún salto. "Desde allá venía caminando en la enseñanza de escuela en escuela, hasta llegar al Normal de Versalles y a los seminarios de Prusia." (...) "La ciencia y la enseñanza de la escuela primaria me la he inventado yo, y en despecho de la indiferencia general, he traído a la América del Sud el programa entero de la educación popular." -Pasados los años, aquella, su porfiada siembra, aparece abandonada o pisoteada. La educación viene siendo la sirvienta de los economiceros. -"La indiferencia general... el aire reseco y tostado... pobre patria mía." Nos puede pasar como "al triste que murió de pena... los médicos abrieron su cadáver y aseguran que le hallaron el corazón seco... Líbrenos Dios". -Navegamos entre la creciente analfabetización y el desaliento. -Digo, con el deán Funes que "sólo para los pueblos pusilánimes, sirven de desaliento los peligros" (...) "La ignorancia es la causa de" la "inmoralidad que opaca todas las costumbres". -Usted ha sido muy criticado. -Con "epítetos de infame, protervo, malvado". Persecución "hedionda, sangrienta". -Pero también ha sido muy distinguido. ¿Algún elogio lo halaga especialmente? -Sí, "la más difícil, la más necesaria de las reputaciones, la de honrado". -Coincide con Albert Camus cuando dice que es más difícil la honradez que el heroísmo. -"He abrazado con el calor y el fanatismo de una religión los principios políticos que han sucumbido hoy en mi patria; todo lo he pospuesto, reposo, familia, cuidados de fortuna, todo..." -¿Admitiría que su pasión lo llevó a la desmesura? Alguna vez usted dijo que no había que ahorrar la sangre de los gauchos para... -"Ardiente amor por el país... tormentas de pasiones... cuánta sangre, empero..." -¿Acepta entonces que...? -Sí, "en mi juventud hubiera deseado que los que han trabajado por establecer el despotismo y hacer desaparecer toda forma constitucional, hubiesen tenido una sola cabeza para cegársela de un golpe". -¿Alguna vez llevó sus dichos a los hechos? -Ah, "mi severidad de principios, que nunca oculté y de" la "que hacía alarde..." -Le preguntaba si en el plano de la violencia llevó sus dichos a los hechos. -"Sea por fortuna, sea por disposición de la Providencia, nunca he tenido ocasión de echar sobre mis hombros la responsabilidad de ningún acto personal de los muchos que son frecuentes, necesarios y justificados en medio de las revoluciones." -¿Nunca? -"No tengo que reprocharme un solo acto de venganza, ni una sola acción que pueda mancillarme." -Lo evidente es que su personalidad ha generado fuertes rechazos. -"Estoy solo contra muchos" por "la indiscreta franqueza de mi lenguaje escrito. Yo he excitado siempre grandes animadversiones y profundas simpatías... Nunca me ha faltado un oficioso que, no alcanzándome a los hombros, se me ha prendido en la cintura para que no me levante. Jamás he reconocido otra autoridad que la mía". -¿No peca de soberbio, a veces? -Pienso como Montaigne, cuando citaba a Aristóteles: "Decir de sí menos de lo que hay, es necedad y no modestia, tenerse en menos de lo que uno vale, es cobardía y pusilanimidad" (...) "Debiera ser más prudente, pero..." -¿Pero? -"Pero en punto de prudencia, me sucede lo que a grandes pecadores, que dejan para la hora de la muerte la enmienda." -La insistencia de hace un momento sobre el asunto de la sangre y la violencia viene a propósito de que hemos atravesado años sembrados de muerte contra natura. Aquí, fue cosa cotidiana la violación de la vida... -"Puertas que se despedazan..." -Y encima, la violación de la muerte. -"La verdad, la terrible verdad avergonzará entonces a una generación entera ... La historia, por otra parte, no ha de tejerse sólo con crímenes y empaparse en sangre..." Digo, como el marqués de Custine, que "la verdad no se entierra con los muertos, la verdad transpira al través de los calabozos y hasta al través de las tumbas". Arrojemos "las muletas del disimulo". -¿Y qué nos dice de Latinoamérica? -"Esta pobre América del Sud" se agita "en su nada, haciendo esfuerzos supremos por desplegar las alas, y lacerándose a cada tentativa, contra los hierros de la jaula encadenada". -Mal de muchos, consuelo de... -"El egoísmo que se reconcentra en nosotros mismos ahoga todo sentimiento de interés por los demás. Cada uno para sí, y el azote del verdugo para todos: he ahí el resumen de la vida y gobierno de los pueblos esclavizados." -Todo el tiempo se nos dice que estamos al borde del abismo. -"El terror entre nosotros es una invención gubernativa para ahogar toda conciencia." -Más allá de nuestro angustiante presente, ¿cuál es el verdadero peligro que avizora? -"Hay un momento fatal en la historia de todos los pueblos, y es aquel en que, cansados los partidos de luchar, piden, antes de todo, el reposo de que por largos años han carecido, aun a expensas de la libertad... Roma, cansada de las luchas de Mario y de Sila, de patricios y plebeyos, se entregó con delicia a la dulce tiranía de Augusto, el primero que encabeza la lista execrable de los emperadores romanos." -Hablando el otro día con don San Martín, también me advertía sobre la tentación de buscar la solución en "la mano fuerte". -"¡Qué instructiva es la historia! ¡Cómo se repite a cada rato!" (...) "¡Ay, qué estúpidos son los pueblos!" -Debo recordarle: usted escribió que "las masas populares no se equivocan nunca en sus predilecciones". -También escribí que, "sin embargo, hay hombres decentes, por millares..." -¿Qué mira ahora a través de la ventana? -"El sol... el sol..." -¿Qué pasa con el sol? -"Engendra mundos y de su cohabitación con los planetas, nacen lunitas graciosas y retozonas como unos cabrillos." -Retomemos. Tan dados al individualismo como somos, ¿qué nos puede unir? -"El vínculo que une a las mayorías está en el instinto de libertad." -¿Cómo ve a la Argentina de estos días? -La veo como una "caterva de badulaques", sometida por una "avalancha de hombres desalmados..." "Tristes horas en que la luz del sol parece opaca." -¿Y ante la desolación del sol? -"Otro espíritu se necesita que agite estas arterias." -Hemos sufrido demasiado, sabe. -"Peajes que pagamos a la entrada de la vida." -¡Ni nombre los peajes! Aquí, apenas salidos del cordón umbilical, empiezan los peajes. -"Patria, tan humillada, cubierta de lodo." -¿Estamos fritos sin retorno? ¿Ya no nos queda ni la tanguera posibilidad de volver... de volver con la frente marchita? -"La vida bulle por todas partes, menos en el hombre que se apoca y anodada." -Ah, entonces no está todo perdido. Hay razones para la esperanza. -"¡Ay, si fuera posible aturdirse con la esperanza de los mejores tiempos!" -¿Y de dónde se agarra, hacia adelante, nuestra escuálida esperanza? -"Escuelas... educación pública..." -Pero eso lleva tiempo, don Sarmiento. -Menos tiempo que el hacer "de la patria una prostituta impúdica". -¿Patria dijo? La hemos extraviado. ¿Qué hacer, don? -"Escuelas... escuelas..." -Qué fácil lo dice usted. -"Denme patria donde me sea dado obrar, y les prometo convertir en hechos cada sílaba, y eso en poquísimos años." No caigamos "en la desmoralización". -Caímos y encima nos empujaron. ¿Qué hacer, don? -"Escuelas" (...) "He sembrado de escuelas los pueblos donde he residido. Nací y me eduqué en un pueblo de provincia donde no había otra educación más allá de la escuela pública; el maestro era entonces tenido por uno de los primeros magistrados de la provincia." -En fin, no hay vuelta que darle. -"Necesitamos hacer de toda la República una escuela." -Otra vez sus puños enroscados. -"A mí me retozan las fibras." -Pero es que hemos hipotecado hasta la línea del horizonte. -"Pues, con una tea" hemos de "incendiar los pajonales para trazar un horizonte de llamas". -Entonces, a meterle. -"Vamos, el camino está franco." -¿Podemos nacer, salvarnos? -"No hay otra salvación que la victoria." RÍO NEGRO Pagarán EL AGUINALDO con bonos y en seis cuotas. el 20 por ciento del sueldo se abona con tickets. SAN JUAN fue congelada la antigüedad desde diciembre de 2000. los salarios se pagan con dos semanas de atraso. JUJUY El atraso en los pagos nunca es menor a los 30 días. el aguinaldo y julio se pagarán en cuotas. ENTRE RÍOS Todavía no hay fecha para el pago de los salarios atrasados. Pagarán el aguinaldo en cuotas. TUCUMÁN SE PAGA UN veinte POR CIENTO EN TICKETS Y EL ochenta por ciento restante EN BONOS. BUENOS AIRES el sueldo se abona en pesos hasta $ 740 y el resto en patacones. peligra el servicio de comedor escolar por falta de pago a los proveedores. CHACO deben el aguinaldo y los sueldos desde junio. todavía no hay previstA siquiera alguna fecha de pago. CATAMARCA Congelaron la antigüedad hasta 2005 y rebajaron los sueldos hasta 2003. el incentivo docente se paga con atraso. PROCEDIMIENTO Y FUENTES Para desarrollar esta conversación ilusoria con Sarmiento utilicé frases suyas textuales, pero sacadas de contexto y puestas al servicio de un diálogo referido a nuestro tiempo. Todo lo que aparece entrecomillado fue escrito por Sarmiento, procede de sus libros: Educación popular, Facundo, Viajes y Recuerdos de Provincia. Aunque trabajé con la textualidad, me tomé licencias de puntuación, para no entorpecer la fluidez de la lectura. R.B cuántos terminan Jurisdicción1er grado(1)7ºgrado(2)5ºaño(3) Total del país865.65471,73 6,3 Buenos Aires281.99983,541,1 Conurbano181.36182,540,2 Resto Bs.As.100.63885,242,7 Capital Federal40.09492,082,4 Catamarca8.93072,334,4 Córdoba74.02970,539,5 Corrientes33.92450,420,8 Chaco34.28649,318,6 Chubut10.44575,734,6 Entre Ríos30.356 66,732,9 Formosa19.48847,516,7 Jujuy16.25076,840,0 La Pampa6.65578,435,8 La Rioja8.25659,83 0,5 Mendoza37.26572,435,6 Misiones38.71744,516,1 Neuquén13.82765,528,5 Río Negro16.00569,028,3 Salta30.13167,033,7 San Luis10.40255,127,2 Santa Cruz5.03469,137,3 Santa Fe70.20174,537,6 Santiago del Estero27.10151,417,9 Tierra del Fuego2.62867,929,8 Tucumán33.31768,933,5 La tabla muestra el porcentaje de alumnos matriculados en séptimo grado y quinto año con respecto a los que se inscribieron en primer grado. (1) La cifra, dada en números absolutos, se considera como el ciento por ciento. (2) Porcentaje de alumnos inscriptos en séptimo grado en relación con los inscriptos en primero. (3) Porcentaje de alumnos inscriptos en quinto año en relación con los inscriptos en primer grado. Fuente Relevamiento anual 1997. Dirección General Red Federal de Información Educativa. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 17:51:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00771; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 17:28:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 17:28:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <00e401c13a3c$3a6aa180$265ed9c8@r5f3d1> Subject: Re: Sarmiento . Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:15:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Sep 2001 21:15:49.0118 (UTC) FILETIME=[C38B31E0:01C13A3D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I tried saying it backwards, but nothing happened. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 17:52:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00783; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 17:29:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 17:29:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <014f01c13a0d$cc3a1930$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: EDP question/etc. Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:15:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Sep 2001 21:15:23.0327 (UTC) FILETIME=[B42BCCF0:01C13A3D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > At 10:32 AM -0500 9/10/01, Dennis Leas wrote: > >First, a "looper theory" question - > >Does anybody know of a looping device that permits you to record your > >initial loop in REVERSE? > > Yes. Attach a label to the 'reverse' button on your looper that says 'forward'. Record your loop in reverse, press the 'forward' button, and everything will play normally. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 18:09:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02981; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 17:47:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 17:47:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:27:54 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: OT reverse trivia (was EDP question/etc.) In-reply-to: <3B9D1EF1.6FDED7A8@earthlink.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: baumhaus@earthlink.net, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <014f01c13a0d$cc3a1930$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <000501c13a1d$a8c749e0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <3B9D1EF1.6FDED7A8@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: <_kOcY.A._Q.RHTn7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:18 PM -0700 9/10/01, lance glover wrote: >last episode of david lynch's twin peaks had a scene with a funny little guy >and there's kubrick's red room motif in the shining (redroom=murder). i >won't get into the beatles, but hendrix The earliest example I can remember was a Boston-area radio jock on WBZ. Among his favorites was "Flesruoy toh os kool tnod uoy." -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 18:14:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03836; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 17:51:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 17:51:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Apparently-From: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 16:38:55 -0500 Subject: Re: EDP question/etc. From: Mike Feeney To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_E6-kC.A.EX.tLTn7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know Boomerang does that, but it's the only looper I have experience with. =) Mike At 10:32 AM -0500 9/10/01, Dennis Leas wrote: > First, a "looper theory" question - > Does anybody know of a looping device that permits you to record your > initial loop in REVERSE? _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 18:18:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04829; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 17:55:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 17:55:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010910173912.007e8840@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 17:39:12 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: EDP question/etc. In-Reply-To: <014f01c13a0d$cc3a1930$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:32 AM 9/10/01 -0500, you wrote: >First, a "looper theory" question - >Does anybody know of a looping device that permits you to record your >initial loop in REVERSE? When using the remote footswitch, the Boss RC-20 powers up in reverse. However it's a potaito-potahto thing, because an initial loop recorded in reverse mode will play forwards until you step on the switch to put it in 'forward'. You'd get the same result recording your first layer forward and then subsequent layers in reverse... -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 18:18:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04835; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 17:55:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 17:55:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <016301c13a40$e237a4e0$265ed9c8@r5f3d1> From: "IG2" To: References: <00e401c13a3c$3a6aa180$265ed9c8@r5f3d1> Subject: Re: Sarmiento . Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:38:06 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0160_01C13A27.BB7929A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0160_01C13A27.BB7929A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable very sorry ... wrong button : ) julio ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jonathan El-Bizri=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 6:15 PM Subject: Re: Sarmiento . 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very sorry ... wrong button : = )
julio
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Subject: Re: Sarmiento .

I tried saying it backwards, but nothing=20 happened.

------=_NextPart_000_0160_01C13A27.BB7929A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 18:24:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06900; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:01:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:01:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010910174323.007e9da0@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 17:43:23 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: EDP question/etc. In-Reply-To: <000501c13a1d$a8c749e0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <014f01c13a0d$cc3a1930$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:25 PM 9/10/01 -0500, you wrote: >But for some time I've want to memorize, "?taht htiw seirf emos ekil uoy >dluoW", and speak it into a looper during a performance, then I'd reverse >the loop... Those dipthongs would be a killer to say backwards.... -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 19:16:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15133; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:54:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:54:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:46:46 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: OT reverse trivia (was EDP question/etc.) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 1:18 PM -0700 9/10/01, lance glover wrote: > >>last episode of david lynch's twin peaks had a scene with a funny little guy > >>and there's kubrick's red room motif in the shining (redroom=murder). i >>won't get into the beatles, but hendrix > >The earliest example I can remember was a Boston-area radio jock on >WBZ. Among his favorites was "Flesruoy toh os kool tnod uoy." >-- And now for some truly ancient reverse trivia- A novelty 45 RPM single from the early sixties called "They're Coming To Take Me Away" by Napoleon Bonaparte the 5th had the whole song in reverse as it's B-Side... Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 19:27:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18193; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 19:05:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 19:05:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <109.570b3eb.28ce9df2@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:51:30 EDT Subject: Just a test. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: <3PfWK.A.SoD.ZQUn7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For some reason some my posts don't seem to be getting through. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 19:42:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20807; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 19:20:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 19:20:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9D47A7.E307893E@club-internet.fr> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 01:07:19 +0200 From: Emmanuel PERILLE X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [fr] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: London References: <000e01c13a23$f08997a0$ebb41597@z3v3u4> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Luigi Meloni wrote : > Tomorrow I'll be in London. Any looping in action there this week? I'd > like to hear some live looping..... > Peace > Luigi btw, for those who want to visit PLASA in London and interested in DJ looping, please visit IDJ Magazine booth A28 in the rear left corner of the Hall, where the Redsound Cycloops is in demo EP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 20:06:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24748; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 19:44:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 19:44:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010910192755.007de380@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 19:27:55 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: OT reverse trivia (was EDP question/etc.) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And in '81/'82 Sonic Youth did that with a whole album; side two was side one backwards. Hmmm, I haven't heard it in a looooong time. I think I'll put it on. -t At 03:46 PM 9/10/01 -0700, you wrote: >And now for some truly ancient reverse trivia- A novelty 45 RPM single from >the early sixties called "They're Coming To Take Me Away" by Napoleon >Bonaparte the 5th had the whole song in reverse as it's B-Side... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 20:09:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25214; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 19:47:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 19:47:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: David Trenkel Message-ID: <1939.198.88.144.154.1000219428.squirrel@emh.peak.org> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 07:43:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: EDP question/etc. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010910174323.007e9da0@pop.metrocast.net> References: <3.0.5.32.20010910174323.007e9da0@pop.metrocast.net> Cc: tnelson@metrocast.net X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.0.3) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > At 12:25 PM 9/10/01 -0500, you wrote: >>But for some time I've want to memorize, "?taht htiw seirf emos ekil >>uoy dluoW", and speak it into a looper during a performance, then I'd >>reverse the loop... > > Those dipthongs would be a killer to say backwards.... > > -t Wasn't that a big hit for Sisco? "The Dipthong song"... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 20:48:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30902; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 20:26:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 20:26:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT reverse trivia (was EDP question/etc.) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 00:12:39 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Sep 2001 00:12:39.0634 (UTC) FILETIME=[77E77320:01C13A56] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >And in '81/'82 Sonic Youth did that with a whole album; side two was side >one backwards. Hmmm, I haven't heard it in a looooong time. I think That makes me wonder: 4-track recorders record track 3-4 on the other side effectively in reverse when actually played? I think I remember making some interesting (to me at the time...) reverse tracks this way. So I was wondering if anyone has tried listening to that sonic youth album through a 4-track recorder - might be an inside joke here. jon _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 21:00:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA32190; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 20:34:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 20:34:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f001c13a57$5d6d6260$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: <109.570b3eb.28ce9df2@aol.com> Subject: Re: Just a test. Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 20:19:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 6:51 PM Subject: Just a test. > For some reason some my posts don't seem to be getting through. And it's mysterious, we didn't get this one. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 21:43:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05909; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 21:21:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 21:21:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:02:12 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: OT reverse trivia (was EDP question/etc.) In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:12 AM +0000 9/11/01, Jon Wagner wrote: >4-track recorders record track 3-4 on the other side effectively in >reverse when actually played? Yes. The TASCAM Porta One does that with cassette tapes. While most cassette porta-studios recorded at double cassette speed, the Porta One was at normal speed. I've had fun with my old cassettes. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 21:49:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06317; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 21:26:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 21:26:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9D6531.C681D2F9@ernieball.com> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:13:21 -0700 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: EDP MIDI Sync and Beats/Measure Questions / Loop3 V6.0 Requests References: <200109102036.QAA24692@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello fellow loopers - First, thanks to everyone and Kim especially for this ever-growing knowledge pool. I have my EDP MIDI synced up to some drum machines, and I use it to add bass lines, synth pads, and/or samples from vinyl over the top of my beats. It works great, and at the moment I'm up in the air as to whether I should buy a Repeater or three more EDPs. OK, maybe one more EDP. What I was trying to do over the weekend, was to build up a groove using the EDP first, and then to have the drum machines kick in ( in sync) once the groove was established. I can get very close to the EDP's timing with the sync-master drum machine's (an Oberheim DX - god bless 'em) tap tempo, so I hoped that I could start the drum machines running and then use multiply to get the already-looping EDP to sync with the drum machines' MIDI clock. That didn't work. I know that I can set the DX to slave to MIDI, and then once I start the EDP it will start in sync with the EDP's MIDI. In this case, I can build the groove and then just un-mute the drum machines when I want them to be heard. However, because the groove sometimes arises unexpectedly, the one almost certainly won't be in the right spot from where the EDP put it when I first went into record mode. So is it possible to do what I was trying to do over the weekend? If not, this is my request for the next version of Loop3. I know that the Repeater can (theoretically) do what I want, but I'm waiting for at least one upgrade and the accompanying thumbs-up from certain members of this list before I lay down any dough. And another one: Say I record a loop (with the EDP slaved to the DX at 8 beats per measure) of one measure. I had hoped to be able to change the beats/measure setting to, say, one beat per measure and then use multiply to shorten the loop to one beat while still keeping it in sync. That didn't work either. As a workaround, I could set the EDP to always record at one beat per measure and use multiply to get 8 beats per measure, but at anything over 30 bpm I would have to be pretty darn quick with those button presses. Am I missing a technique here, or do I just need to read the manual? Again, this would be a nice feature for Loop3 if it doesn't presently exist. Can Repeater do this? Thanks, -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 22:25:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09782; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:02:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:02:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003401c13a63$11dfd6a0$04f9fea9@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <00e401c13a3c$3a6aa180$265ed9c8@r5f3d1> Subject: OT: Sarmiento . Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 21:42:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <1X_zFC.A.74B.E3Wn7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's funny ... I tried the same thing and my Againinator Beta started to howl and piddled in the corner. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 5:15 PM Subject: Re: Sarmiento . > I tried saying it backwards, but nothing happened. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 22:46:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10964; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:24:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:24:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Johnson Amps was Re: EDP question/etc. Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:08:17 -0500 Message-ID: <01c13a6f$015038a0$d768580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <3bSNf.A.3jC.0LXn7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snips -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Monday, September 10, 2001 3:38 PM Subject: Re: EDP question/etc. >Digitech 2120, SpaceStation and the Johnson Amps have this feature as >well. Mark - I saw one of those Johnson amps on EBay, found the site for the amps, e-mailed them re: delay time, et cetera, that was about three weeks ago, no response, anyone have any information on these things? here's the url if anyone is interested http://www.themusiclink.net/amps/amps_3.html PedrOOrdeP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 23:04:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA12006; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:41:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:41:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9D69C1.D6C0FB98@sigecom.net> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 21:32:51 -0400 From: Scott Winzinger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: I would like this function for Repeater Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It would be cool to have (2) Midi Program numbers that would allow you to scroll up/down loops and automatically play that loop once the current loop ends. Scott From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 23:08:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA12273; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:46:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:46:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9D78A7.DB892483@cloud9.net> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:36:23 -0400 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater raves and a b References: <200109092037.QAA15771@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Repeater has got some features that I'm just loving! I started laying down a new track this evening. Started with an ambient pad background - 8 measures in 3/4. Repeater defaults to 4/4, so I dialed in 24 beats, and set rhythm to 3/4. Great. For some reason, the drums "felt" right as 7 bars of 4/4. OK, 7 against 8, that's cool! Recorded the drums, and since they *really* set the beat, dialed in 28 measures at 4/4. Wow! Now I'm looking at 7 measures cycling, so I have a great visual cue for laying down a measure bass part. Etc, etc. This tempo-based display is *terrific*! Who cares about a display showing the number of seconds recorded - this is what I've been wanting - bars and beats :) OK, now the bad news Has anyone noticed that the pan function works only on recorded material, not on the input. This gives a very strange effect if overdubbing. I panned a track hard right. I hear the guitar in the center while recording. As soon as the loop completes, the recorded guitar is playing right, while the new material is still centered. Rather unexpected :( Elby BTW, we haven't heard from any of the Electrix folks here lately, are they still around, or should we 'peaterers be cross-posting to the new Electrix site? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 00:11:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21144; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 23:48:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 23:48:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 23:34:31 EDT Subject: Re: Sarmiento . To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d5.c183821.28cee047_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_d5.c183821.28cee047_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 9/10/01 5:11:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ciego@ig.com.br= =20 writes: >=20 > Jurisdicci=F3n1er grado(1)7=BAgrado(2)5=BAa=F1o(3) >=20 are you really sure of this?.....what the ?.....:)m --part1_d5.c183821.28cee047_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 9/10/0= 1 5:11:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ciego@ig.com.br=20
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are you really sure of this?.....what the     ?.....= :)m --part1_d5.c183821.28cee047_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 00:18:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21481; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 23:56:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 23:56:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 20:45:05 -0700 Subject: Re: Johnson Amps was Re: EDP question/etc. From: Mark Sottilaro To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01c13a6f$015038a0$d768580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 9/10/01 8:08 PM, Pedro Felix at PedroFelix@worldnet.att.net wrote: > snips > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sottilaro > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Date: Monday, September 10, 2001 3:38 PM > Subject: Re: EDP question/etc. > > >> Digitech 2120, SpaceStation and the Johnson Amps have this feature as >> well. > > Mark - > > I saw one of those Johnson amps on EBay, found the site for the amps, > e-mailed them re: delay time, et cetera, that was about three weeks ago, no > response, anyone have any information on these things? > > here's the url if anyone is interested > http://www.themusiclink.net/amps/amps_3.html > > PedrOOrdeP > I'd go to the Digitech site, I don't own one. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 00:58:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA26721; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 00:35:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 00:35:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01eb01c13a78$8849a9a0$265ed9c8@r5f3d1> From: "IG2" To: References: Subject: Re: Sarmiento . Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 01:14:49 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01E2_01C13A5F.26C78A80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01E2_01C13A5F.26C78A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable sorry again ... wrong button : ) julio ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:34 AM Subject: Re: Sarmiento . In a message dated 9/10/01 5:11:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, = ciego@ig.com.br=20 writes:=20 Jurisdicci=F3n1er grado(1)7=BAgrado(2)5=BAa=F1o(3)=20 are you really sure of this?.....what the ?.....:)m=20 ------=_NextPart_000_01E2_01C13A5F.26C78A80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
sorry again ... wrong button : = )
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are you really sure of this?.....what the=20     ?.....:)m = ------=_NextPart_000_01E2_01C13A5F.26C78A80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 02:52:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01166; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 02:30:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 02:30:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 23:18:08 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater: Persistent Problems with Sync (going out to buy an echoplex) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3B9C543B.D716279D@voicenet.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0CMFHC.A.jK.6xan7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com First I must say, Kim, I stand corrected. As I never had much problem with my JamMan synching to midi, it didn't occur to me that the Repeater would be worse. I didn't realize that the majority of my loopage on it was ambient, slow attack stuff. It seemed fine. After reading Kim's attack, I thought, could it be? Could it be THAT bad? Well, after doing a similar drum machine test, and a tap test where my playing was synched to a simple drum beat while I did not monitor the Repeater output, I've got to say, it's damn near unusuable. So I've noticed the Electrix people have become silent all of the sudden. Hello? Is this thing on? Is this something that can be fixed via software, or should I give up? I've got an itchy looping finger, and I'll jump ship faster than you can say, "Sorry Kim Flint." Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 07:01:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA19325; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 06:37:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 06:37:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9DFEB7.A2EE0AAB@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:08:23 +0000 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP MIDI Sync and Beats/Measure Questions / Loop3 V6.0 Requests References: <200109102036.QAA24692@hemlock.violacea.com> <3B9D6531.C681D2F9@ernieball.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4w5SCD.A.UmE.XZen7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hans We share exactly the same direction of use of the echoplex and all I can say is that ALL the questions rised by your post are already working in my plex,and much more.... In fact I've been doing the described schemes for more than a year so be patient this will happen for your plex too... (Please no schedule question) Hans Lindauer wrote: > > Hello fellow loopers - > > First, thanks to everyone and Kim especially for this ever-growing > knowledge pool. > > I have my EDP MIDI synced up to some drum machines, and I use it to add > bass lines, synth pads, and/or samples from vinyl over the top of my > beats. It works great, and at the moment I'm up in the air as to > whether I should buy a Repeater or three more EDPs. OK, maybe one more > EDP. > > What I was trying to do over the weekend, was to build up a groove using > the EDP first, and then to have the drum machines kick in ( in sync) > once the groove was established. I can get very close to the EDP's > timing with the sync-master drum machine's (an Oberheim DX - god bless > 'em) tap tempo, so I hoped that I could start the drum machines running > and then use multiply to get the already-looping EDP to sync with the > drum machines' MIDI clock. That didn't work. you mean you still want to use sync in whith this scenario get used to sync out and change the eight value according to your cycle meter you better do it with the headfones as you may have to stop/start the DX several times untill you hit the groove. > I know that I can set the DX to slave to MIDI, and then once I start the > EDP it will start in sync with the EDP's MIDI. In this case, I can > build the groove and then just un-mute the drum machines when I want > them to be heard. However, because the groove sometimes arises > unexpectedly, the one almost certainly won't be in the right spot from > where the EDP put it when I first went into record mode. move your start point > So is it possible to do what I was trying to do over the weekend? If > not, this is my request for the next version of Loop3. I know that the > Repeater can (theoretically) do what I want, but I'm waiting for at > least one upgrade and the accompanying thumbs-up from certain members of > this list before I lay down any dough. get a second edp _and_ a Peater > And another one: > > Say I record a loop (with the EDP slaved to the DX at 8 beats per > measure) of one measure. I had hoped to be able to change the > beats/measure setting to, say, one beat per measure and then use > multiply to shorten the loop to one beat while still keeping it in > sync. That didn't work either. you must start with the expected beat - instead of making one 8 beat loop you make 8 one beat cycles (8th/beat=1) then use multiply to cut or add > As a workaround, I could set the EDP to always record at one beat per > measure and use multiply to get 8 beats per measure, but at anything > over 30 bpm I would have to be pretty darn quick with those button > presses. Am I missing a technique here, or do I just need to read the > manual? Again, this would be a nice feature for Loop3 if it doesn't > presently exist. Can Repeater do this? oh you knew that already :=) use the sequencer to spit the messages for you... I dont have much time to comment more but be reassured that all those functions are there and working because I stalked Matthias and Kim for them....smile Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 09:07:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA25479; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:44:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:44:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Looping pads and ambient sounds / likely repeater correction Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 07:31:57 -0500 Message-ID: <003a01c13abd$bfb03270$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-reply-to: <167.9fc0f6.28cda560@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5Jxn0C.A.LFG.WSgn7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I found this posted by one of the Administrators at the Electrix websit forum. It sounds to me like they have a perception problem of what is required of a good looping device. Steve jamie Administrator posted 09-07-2001 01:00 PM ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- There is an automatic cross-fade on loops recorded on Repeater, however, with ambient loops no matter how tricky one tries to be, there will almost always be a subtle 'bump'. The best way around this is to do multiple overdubs (2-3 should do) using the same signal. Best, Jamie. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 10:33:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30968; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:10:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:10:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9E190C.1B3CBDB2@bellatlantic.net> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:00:44 -0400 From: Greg Waltzer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater raves and a b References: <200109092037.QAA15771@hemlock.violacea.com> <3B9D78A7.DB892483@cloud9.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <82bfwC.A.UOH.Oihn7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mountain Man wrote: > BTW, we haven't heard from any of the Electrix folks here lately, are > they still around, or should we 'peaterers be cross-posting to the new > Electrix site? Can you post the URL for that? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 10:45:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31382; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:23:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:23:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006101c13acb$1120d120$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <002301c131fc$86bae740$51cec22b@cambmaya04> <3.0.6.32.20010831164524.00985de0@mail.dragonet.es> <003a01c13242$8f46d9a0$6eb51597@z3v3u4> <002e01c13939$e3398000$a54528d5@a123456789> <015001c13a0f$0a21eb00$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: Re:Slightly OT, (or is it ?) - mouse to midi ? Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 09:07:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Gareth! > I downloaded something like that a while back. It converts mouse movements > to MIDI CC commands. It seems to work really well. When I get home tonight > I'll see what it is and let you know. Sounds like Richard et al made some good suggestions. What I use is called Midi Mouse Mod from AnalogX: http://www.analogx.com/contents/download/audio/mousemod.htm If you try several, give us a comparison! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 10:46:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31384; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:23:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:23:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c13acb$5ef6f6e0$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Eric Williamson" From: "Eric Williamson" To: Subject: pads/repeater/sync/bitching/blahblah Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 09:09:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ok about this repeater thing ... You guys having trouble recording ambience loopily, do you have the "bump" issue when say, taking a blank loop and recording into it with overdub on? You guys having trouble recording drum loops, do you have the shitty sync issue when say, taking a blank loop and recording into it with overdub on? my only criticism of the repeater that i can see is it's complexity. if the "Feature Creature" didn't so captivate developers as well as customers, maybe their products would be more consistent and reliable. I don't give a flying fuck about pitch-corrected timestretching or time-corrected pitch-shifting. these things do not belong in a looper ... you can't have them WITHOUT issues of timing, digital gurgling, or dodgy sync. PERIOD. i can't believe it's the year 2001, 170-dollar DVD players have five 24-bit digital converters, memory is _dirt_frippin_cheap, and people can't get a hifi qudraphonic long delay to work right ... and the only viable alternative is an INCREDIBLE interface, software, and concept chained like the sialor to the albatross to a ten-year old collection of Gibson-warehoused electronics-surplus-sale hardware. UNGLAUBLICHE frustrating. maybe the Line6 rack dealie will be right for me. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 11:13:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA00779; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:51:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:51:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00af01c13ace$e3f039d0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: EDP question/etc. Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 09:34:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Does anybody know of a looping device that permits you to record your > > initial loop in REVERSE? > I know Boomerang does that, but it's the only looper I have experience > with. =) Hmmm, I don't have a 'Rang but the way I read the manual it sounds like the DIRECTION switch, when pressed prior to RECORD, still records in the forward direction but it selects playback in the reverse direction while continually re-recording new audio in the forward direction. So it only controls the direction of playback and not the direction of the initial recording. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 11:18:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01304; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:55:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:55:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:41:58 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: Re: Repeater: Persistent Problems with Sync (going out to buy an echoplex) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >So I've noticed the Electrix people have become silent all of the sudden. >Hello? Is this thing on? Is this something that can be fixed via software, >or should I give up? I've got an itchy looping finger, and I'll jump ship >faster than you can say, "Sorry Kim Flint." First of all, Electrix is doing us a BIG favour corresponding with us so don't take that for granted or they might very well f*ck off like every other manufacturer. Can you imagine Roland or Yamaha interacting as much as Electrix have been? NOT! I am sure Electrix is on it. They have pinned their whole business on the Repeater. Bad move I think but hey - go for it! They have also agreed that the midi sync thing is a problem - they identified a bug (again, can you imagine any other manufacturer admitting to a bug in their product a couple weeks after it was released? NOT!). So chill out. The Repeater is pretty cool as it is and when Electrix can make it better with an new OS they will. plexus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 11:49:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04256; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:25:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:25:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:15:32 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: I would like this function for Repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00a901c13ad4$99c16270$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3B9D69C1.D6C0FB98@sigecom.net> Resent-Message-ID: <7QypaD.A.p3.Moin7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i think it already does this, but i may be misunderstanding you... if you select a loop, it takes a second to load it and then if you press play, it moves to the selected loop at the end of the current one. if you have tempo lock on, repeater will play the new loop at the current tempo. pretty cool. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Winzinger" To: Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 8:32 PM Subject: I would like this function for Repeater > It would be cool to have (2) Midi Program numbers that would allow you > to scroll up/down loops and automatically play that loop once the > current loop ends. > > > > Scott > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 12:04:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04818; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:41:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:41:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.202.176.54] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Synch issues, the official electrix response Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:28:27 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Sep 2001 15:28:27.0906 (UTC) FILETIME=[67A05E20:01C13AD6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mr Sottilaro said: >So I've noticed the Electrix people have become silent all of the sudden. >Hello? Is this thing on? Is this something that can be fixed via software, >or should I give up? I've got an itchy looping finger, and I'll jump ship >faster than you can say, "Sorry Kim Flint." > Well, would >you< show your head in here, after all the abuse they've received? >From the electrixpro site: >Thanks for your, and everyone's, support. We are definitely looking into ?>correcting the timing glitches and this issue is of major priority. Thank >goodness updates to the OS can be made through the CompactFlash >card...saves having to send in units and being without your Repeater for a >few weeks. IMHO, I'm rather pessemistic. It's not like they didn't have an extra year to fix the problem; the chances are, this is a hardware problem :< Still, we can be hope. My emu xl-7 was shipped with an OS that paused every time you changed patterns - totally unplayable. They fixed it the next day, though there are still problems. Eric Williamson says: >i can't believe it's the year 2001, 170-dollar DVD players have five 24-bit >digital converters, memory is _dirt_frippin_cheap, and people can't get a >hifi qudraphonic long delay to work right ... and the only viable alternative >is an INCREDIBLE interface, software, and concept chained like the >sialor to the albatross to a ten-year old collection of Gibson-warehoused >electronics-surplus-sale hardware. Sure, but back in the old days, everything was a lot simpler. It's not just the feature creature - the stuff is just much more complicated from the ground up. This is why there are bugs in everything these days; it's not just lazy developers. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 12:53:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08256; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:30:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:30:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: EDP functions using MIDI Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 09:19:17 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <5epZ0B.A.f4B.7kjn7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings-- Here's a new way to utilize the Echoplex as a live toool (I guess it's something of an instrument)-- Gotta have a PMC-10 or something like it. MIDI string A is record, MIDI string B is Mute--set it as momentary. Press the pedal as you begin to record, then release at the end of the recording. This essentially "captures" your performance (like a firefly in a jar!) So then have another switch that unmutes (I'm using quantize pretty much all the time--I don't change my defaults unless Grandma comes by) And when it's time to solo, hit that one. Wrote this combo in bed while trying (not) to go to sleep. Just tried it with Yesterday (I know, there's not solo in Yesterday--well there is now). I'm very happy with my EDP and look forward to sharing the upgrade that Claude has had for a year now :( Maybe then I'll put my drum machine back up (!) Thanks as always for blessings shared, Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 13:04:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08790; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:42:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:42:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9E3C08.FC53A9A7@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 09:30:01 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater Synch Workaround. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I will not chill out. I waited a year for this sucker, because I was told "we wanted to release a bug free Repeater." No such thing, I knew, but this seems pretty big, no? But anyway, I figured out a work around, based on something Daemon said on the Electrix site. OK, here's the problem. Electrix is implementing something called "Loop Point Assist™" It sucks. The only way I can figure out to defeat it is to first, record a blank loop while in "USER" synch mode at a desired tempo, one that matches your sequence. If you're not into "priming" your loops, you can stop reading now. After you end the recording put the unit back in MIDI synch mode. Put the unit back in record and record your loop. I tried this with the drum machine test, and it passed with only an occasional flam (doubling) as my midi clock seemed to falter. I do notice the Repeater reports that my tempo is often changing by a few tenths of a BPM every now and then, so I guess this is to be expected. I wonder if I'd get better results if my midi clock were not going through a MIDI merge, so that I can get footcontrol and clock. Anyway, my plea to Electrix is take Kim's advice and make it so you can choose a time signature, and number of bars and have it start recording with no Loop Point Assist and end at the exact point all on it's own. KILL that loop point assist crap, or make it something you can turn on if you want. NOT the default. I can't understand why they didn't do it that way in the first place. OK, our nation is going to war now, and I've got to get to work and try to convince people that Oracle software is really good. Mark Sottilaro Brett Maraldo wrote: > >So I've noticed the Electrix people have become silent all of the sudden. > >Hello? Is this thing on? Is this something that can be fixed via software, > >or should I give up? I've got an itchy looping finger, and I'll jump ship > >faster than you can say, "Sorry Kim Flint." > > First of all, Electrix is doing us a BIG favour corresponding with us > so don't take that for granted or they might very well f*ck off like > every other manufacturer. Can you imagine Roland or Yamaha > interacting as much as Electrix have been? NOT! > > I am sure Electrix is on it. They have pinned their whole business on > the Repeater. Bad move I think but hey - go for it! They have also > agreed that the midi sync thing is a problem - they identified a bug > (again, can you imagine any other manufacturer admitting to a bug in > their product a couple weeks after it was released? NOT!). > > So chill out. The Repeater is pretty cool as it is and when Electrix > can make it better with an new OS they will. > > plexus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 13:36:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11307; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:13:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:13:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:02:09 -0700 Subject: Re: EDP question/etc. Message-ID: <20010911.100209.212.0.tony-moore@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-5,7-30 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Tony Moore Resent-Message-ID: <4W5e8C.A.mnC.LNkn7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i use a line 6 dl4 in front of a boomerang to do this. the reverse feature on the dl4 is cool, but takes a bit to get used to. i think combining loopers is incredibly useful. tony On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 09:34:39 -0500 "Dennis Leas" writes: > > > Does anybody know of a looping device that permits you to record > your > > > initial loop in REVERSE? > > > I know Boomerang does that, but it's the only looper I have > experience > > with. =) > > Hmmm, I don't have a 'Rang but the way I read the manual it sounds > like the > DIRECTION switch, when pressed prior to RECORD, still records in the > forward > direction but it selects playback in the reverse direction while > continually > re-recording new audio in the forward direction. So it only > controls the > direction of playback and not the direction of the initial > recording. > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 13:40:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05337; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:49:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:49:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006101c13acb$1120d120$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <002301c131fc$86bae740$51c ec22b@cambmaya04> <3.0.6.32.20010831164524.00985de0@mail.dragonet.es> <003a01c13242$8f46d9a0$6eb51597@z3v3u4> <002e01c13939$e3398000$a54528d5@a123456789> <015001c13a0f$0a21eb00$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <006101c13acb$1120d120$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:44:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: OT - 9-11-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't really want to start any long winded thread on this subject, but i just wanted to say peace and best wishes to the loopers in New York and DC today, in light of the horrible destruction. best to you all, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 13:52:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12076; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:30:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:30:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c13ae5$74207310$8383abd4@giogio> From: "luca" To: References: <002301c131fc$86bae740$51cec22b@cambmaya04> <3.0.6.32.20010831164524.00985de0@mail.dragonet.es><003a01c13242$8f46d9a0$6eb51597@z3v3u4><002e01c13939$e3398000$a54528d5@a123456789><015001c13a0f$0a21eb00$1fab82cc@mdbs.com><006101c13acb$1120d120$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: OT - 9-11-01 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 19:16:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com let's stay together. ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 5:44 PM Subject: OT - 9-11-01 > I don't really want to start any long winded thread on this subject, > but i just wanted to say peace and best wishes to the loopers in New > York and DC today, in light of the horrible destruction. > > best to you all, > > rich > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 14:06:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12684; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:42:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:42:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <7c.1b632bb6.28cfa3f7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:29:27 EDT Subject: Re: OT - 9-11-01 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7c.1b632bb6.28cfa3f7_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_7c.1b632bb6.28cfa3f7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit bigger then the "BEATLES" in my humble book.....good luck to all.....:(m --part1_7c.1b632bb6.28cfa3f7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit bigger then the "BEATLES" in my humble book.....good luck to all.....:(m --part1_7c.1b632bb6.28cfa3f7_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 15:22:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16995; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:58:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:58:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004801c13af1$df08a6a0$0501a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: "Loopers Delight" Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:44:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0045_01C13AB7.2EFF6440" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Unidentified subject! 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------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C13AB7.2EFF6440-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 15:30:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18457; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:07:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:07:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: Repeater Synch Workaround. Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:59:44 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <3B9E3C08.FC53A9A7@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What is a "blank loop"? Do mean record a silent track at a desired tempo? This will create a loop with one recorded track, not a "blank loop". Do you then record over your initial reference track in "replace" mode or are you recording to a new track? The folks at Electrix mentioned that it's normal for the tempo readout to flux by 1 or 2 tenths of a second from midi clock as the Repeater is in midi sync mode. It's not clear to me if it is a readout issue or if the readout is accurately displaying Repeater's true tempo. My assumption is the later. And I also assume that it's probably imperceptible as long as it is always with 1 or 2 tenths of a second from the clocked time. What do you guys think? -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:30 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater Synch Workaround. The only way I can figure out to defeat it is to first, record a blank loop while in "USER" synch mode at a desired tempo, one that matches your sequence. <...> I wonder if I'd get better results if my midi clock were not going through a MIDI merge, so that I can get footcontrol and clock. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 15:43:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18968; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:20:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:20:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:05:45 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: RE: Repeater Synch Workaround. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes, a blank loop. the problem isn't the tempo display and deviation there-of. the problem is the initial sync of the repeater to midi clock. when you start the master clock (sequencer, etc) the repeater doesn't start and sync up to the clock and therefore the loop doesn't play on-beat with the sequencer. now the question is if you do follow Sottilaro's suggestion, can you in fact start up the loop with the master and have it work? let me go try it. no. it doesn't work. it's better but it still doesn't sync up. plexus >What is a "blank loop"? Do mean record a silent track at a desired tempo? >This will create a loop with one recorded track, not a "blank loop". Do you >then record over your initial reference track in "replace" mode or are you >recording to a new track? > >The folks at Electrix mentioned that it's normal for the tempo readout to >flux by 1 or 2 tenths of a second from midi clock as the Repeater is in midi >sync mode. It's not clear to me if it is a readout issue or if the readout >is accurately displaying Repeater's true tempo. My assumption is the later. >And I also assume that it's probably imperceptible as long as it is always >with 1 or 2 tenths of a second from the clocked time. What do you guys >think? > >-- >Tim > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] >Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:30 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Repeater Synch Workaround. > >The only way I can figure out to defeat it is to first, >record a blank loop while in "USER" synch mode at a desired tempo, one that >matches your sequence. <...> > >I wonder if I'd get better results if my midi clock were not going >through a MIDI merge, so that I can get footcontrol and clock. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Plexus Interactive Group www.plexusinteractivegroup.com plexus@sympatico.ca plexus@canada.com tel +1 416 366 9961 fax +1 416 366 7576 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "never get between a man and his expansion pack!" - blm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 15:51:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19360; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:29:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:29:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: Subject: Re: Repeater Synch Workaround. Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:15:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Sep 2001 19:15:56.0425 (UTC) FILETIME=[2EC71790:01C13AF6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > The folks at Electrix mentioned that it's normal for the tempo readout to > flux by 1 or 2 tenths of a second from midi clock as the Repeater is in midi > sync mode. It's not clear to me if it is a readout issue or if the readout > is accurately displaying Repeater's true tempo. My assumption is the later. > And I also assume that it's probably imperceptible as long as it is always > with 1 or 2 tenths of a second from the clocked time. What do you guys > think? > All synching devices do that - it's nothing to worry about. My Xl-7 does it constantly, when synching to PC. I've even seen internal softsynths, like Rebirth, fluctuate when following a midi (not Rewire) synch. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 15:53:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19457; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:31:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:31:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: More lifted from the electrix forum. Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:18:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Sep 2001 19:18:01.0024 (UTC) FILETIME=[790B6400:01C13AF6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You can read the posts yourself at www.electrixpro.com . >More info on this issue. >There is actually a bug with our MIDI sync record quantization. Yes we are now looking at this for the >next OS release. (Thanks for the persistence Randy). >Pressing start on the drum machine does not define the downbeat of an empty loop. (It will start a full >loop). This means Repeater is receiving the tempo properly but the beat location might be wrong. This >is effecting the quantization so if the beat location is half off you might miss half a beat of your loop. This >would create a "very bad DJ effect". This should be easy for us to fix. >This will not fix "phase alignment" of similar waveforms. >MIDI sync after a loop is recorded works. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 16:08:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20403; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:44:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:44:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:28:16 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200109111928.f8BJSG900919@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Andy Soto Subject: a prayer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA19461 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Please, let´s raise our prayers to STOP war, I know you Americans are filled with rage and anger and pain right now,as the rest of the peace loving nations in the world, but a full large scale war at this point in history just means the end of our civilization. Let´s hope violence is not answered with violence, sure it is already the end of the world as we know it but let´s hope for the best. My deepest condolences to all the people in the US. Andy in Mexico City From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 16:09:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20453; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:46:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:46:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012a01c13af7$bb36fa00$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <002301c131fc$86bae740$51c ec22b@cambmaya04> <3.0.6.32.20010831164524.00985de0@mail.dragonet.es> <003a01c13242$8f46d9a0$6eb51597@z3v3u4> <002e01c13939$e3398000$a54528d5@a123456789> <015001c13a0f$0a21eb00$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <006101c13acb$1120d120$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: OT - 9-11-01 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:27:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Amen! Peace, best wishes, prayers, and hope to all in NYC and DC. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 16:16:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20837; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:53:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:53:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013001c13af8$d9a53d70$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <20010911.100209.212.0.tony-moore@juno.com> Subject: Re: EDP question/etc. Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:35:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Tony, > i use a line 6 dl4 in front of a boomerang to do this. the reverse > feature on the dl4 is cool, but takes a bit to get used to. i think > combining loopers is incredibly useful. Yes! I think combining loopers provides a lot of powerful features not available otherwise. So you record on the DL4, then play the loop reversed into the Boomerang? Therefore, the inital loop on the Boomerang is recorded reversed? Am I understanding correctly? Tell me more. I don't see how the sound is different than recording forward and playing back in reverse. Thanks! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 17:27:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26395; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 17:04:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 17:04:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9E7907.E674D29A@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:50:15 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater Synch Workaround. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, I do mean a silent track. Only one is needed, as it defines all four track lengths. Since nothing is on it, I went into overdub mode, but I think replace would work just as well, and not have any possible overlap. Mark Tim Goodwin wrote: > What is a "blank loop"? Do mean record a silent track at a desired tempo? > This will create a loop with one recorded track, not a "blank loop". Do you > then record over your initial reference track in "replace" mode or are you > recording to a new track? > > The folks at Electrix mentioned that it's normal for the tempo readout to > flux by 1 or 2 tenths of a second from midi clock as the Repeater is in midi > sync mode. It's not clear to me if it is a readout issue or if the readout > is accurately displaying Repeater's true tempo. My assumption is the later. > And I also assume that it's probably imperceptible as long as it is always > with 1 or 2 tenths of a second from the clocked time. What do you guys > think? > > -- > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:30 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Repeater Synch Workaround. > > The only way I can figure out to defeat it is to first, > record a blank loop while in "USER" synch mode at a desired tempo, one that > matches your sequence. <...> > > I wonder if I'd get better results if my midi clock were not going > through a MIDI merge, so that I can get footcontrol and clock. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 17:28:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26396; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 17:04:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 17:04:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011b01c13b03$664c4660$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <200109111928.f8BJSG900919@servidor.unam.mx> Subject: An Idea for Helping Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 21:50:26 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Undoubtedly today's vicious attacks will cause monetary costs that haven't begun to be completely figured, from the insurance sector especially, as CNN Europe reported. As with all horror we try to mentally dig our own way out of it, and do something about it. I just thought of this while at church. Yes, I went to church and prayed that we don't have more senseless killing, that it doesn't escalate into more attacks on more innocents; that the victims find peace; that their families and friends somehow find peace, love and forgiveness again. Nonetheless, I just thought of this: I've been moved in the past to write music at times where I felt grief or otherwise couldn't make sense of things. I would sit down and immerse myself in looping and music, and sometimes dedicate it to the people involved. The first time I did it was "For Absent Friends," which was dedicated to a friend of mine who'd died of a heart attack in 1996. It helped me put it all in perspective, as I'd never even lost a family member before. Undoubtedly right now I think I'm in a kind of physical shock, though. I know that there were so many victims involved, that we all might know someone who perished today. But I know I would like to try doing the following: To help out with the monetary losses, which will be felt for some time, what if a bunch of people got together to make some peaceful but respectful material, for a CD collection, or for that matter an online service that could provide payment for the playing of material. The entire income would go to help with the effort, of course. One wouldn't want to take credit or raise ones' level of success on the basis of this horrific day's attacks. I suggest then that everyone who contributes material use the artist name of "Unknown". This would mean that the only thing at all that you'd get for contributing work to this project would be in your soul. You would never take credit for the piece. Maybe if we got enough people involved we could leverage even someone like mp3.com to perhaps pay MORE THAN THE USUAL PITTANCE, and pay it all to the fund that must eventually be established to help all of this. How often does one get a chance to improve the state of things using the abilities one loves using? To say nothing of the assistance to creating a peace-oriented state of things for those listening to the music. Let's get some discussion going about this. I think it might be a good thing to do. I'm going to go now. Too many people died today. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 17:36:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26788; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 17:13:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 17:13:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9E7CD3.A445CE8C@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:14:57 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT (a prayer) References: <200109111928.f8BJSG900919@servidor.unam.mx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <-YD1C.A.WZG.-snn7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andy Soto wrote: > Please, let´s raise our prayers to STOP war, I know you Americans are > filled with rage and anger and pain right now,as the rest of the peace > loving nations in the world, but a full large scale war at this point in > history just means the end of our civilization. > > Let´s hope violence is not answered with violence, sure it is already > the end of the world as we know it but let´s hope for the best. > > My deepest condolences to all the people in the US. > > Andy in Mexico City thanks for your thoughts... i think rage & anger are happening for some folks (there seems to be a lot of posturing on the part of certain politicians), but most of the people i've talked to are just deeply saddened by this. lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 17:38:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26892; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 17:16:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 17:16:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9E7BA7.E68E516@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:01:27 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater Synch Workaround. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Brett Maraldo wrote: > > now the question is if you do follow Sottilaro's suggestion, can you > in fact start up the loop with the master and have it work? let me go > try it. > > no. it doesn't work. it's better but it still doesn't sync up. > > plexus > Not sure what you mean by "start up the loop with the master" For my work around to work, you'll need to be listening to the beat as you make it. If you're trying to make a loop separate without the drum track and synch it afterwards... not sure how that would happen, as it would be very hard to start the loop and the drums exactly at the same time. At that point, they'd still probably synch, but would be reliant on you for starting them at the same time. Probably not too much of a problem unless you're looping the same program your drum machine is playing. I'll have to experiment on this, though this isn't the way I'd work with the Repeater. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 17:46:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27115; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 17:23:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 17:23:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002c01c13b05$d15ea2c0$2201a8c0@urso> From: "Daniel Pezzotti" To: References: <200109111928.f8BJSG900919@servidor.unam.mx> Subject: Re: a prayer Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 23:07:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com same feelings here in Switzerland!! we are all deeply shocked and pray for all people involved in this terrible tragedy............. Daniel Pezzotti P.S. Let's hope that art and music still has the power to make our world a little better! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Soto" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:28 PM Subject: a prayer Please, let´s raise our prayers to STOP war, I know you Americans are filled with rage and anger and pain right now,as the rest of the peace loving nations in the world, but a full large scale war at this point in history just means the end of our civilization. Let´s hope violence is not answered with violence, sure it is already the end of the world as we know it but let´s hope for the best. My deepest condolences to all the people in the US. Andy in Mexico City From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 18:32:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30540; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 18:08:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 18:08:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9E8805.EFED0EFF@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:54:13 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: where do I stop and my looper begin? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was told to chill this morning and it got me to thinking. Sure, I've got a case of gear lust, as most of us probably have to some degree, but why am I so passionate about the Repeater? I think it's simple. Just think, if you are a keyboardist, or guitarist and you only had a dozen or so instruments to choose from. A singer in one of my bands once said, "Until I met you, I didn't know a guitar was a box with blinking lights." And it's true. For me, my guitar and my gear (looper being a major part) are one thing. I said a dozen or so instruments, but for me, because of the way I want to work, it's really a lot less. With the Repeater, it's basically 3. Before that it was 2 and one (JamMan) was out of production, and the other one (EDP) in and out for the last few years. That makes it VERY frustrating for me. Sure, my JamMan allowed me to do many cool things, but no one would argue that it was limited. I love it and still will use it, but it's getting old and won't last forever. The Repeater being a success for me is very important. For me and all of us, regardless on your plans to get it. If it does well, it can only entice Gibson to continue to upgrade and update the EDP. Competition is good. Maybe the Line6 gear coming out will also be good. Never hurts to have a good amount of choices. In a perfect world, I'd have had 2 brother synched EDPs in my rack for the last 5 years, but that's unrealistic for a lot of us. There was no way I could afford it at this point. So I tend to be a bit of a hothead. I know. For me, without music, I'm just a random sarcasm generator. Music is my core, and at the core of my musical process is a looping device. All I'm asking for is is a good stereo looper. Please? Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 18:45:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31246; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 18:22:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 18:22:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005e01c13b0e$09b321c0$e5456f40@oemcomputer> From: "petr" To: References: <7c.1b632bb6.28cfa3f7@aol.com> Subject: Re: OT - 9-11-01 -- looping prayers Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:06:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There is a fascinating way we loopers can contribute to this tragedy today... How about making a loop of your prayer/meditation/whatever you practice and let it run in your looper of your choice? Gear junkies, who own several loopers, can even do simultaneous multiple loops! This can be an interesting and helpful in adding some positive energy to the workld's morphogenetic fields... petr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 19:23:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01711; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 19:01:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 19:01:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9E9454.C245AFA6@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:46:45 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - 9-11-01 -- looping prayers References: <7c.1b632bb6.28cfa3f7@aol.com> <005e01c13b0e$09b321c0$e5456f40@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When I was 5 I watched the World Trade Center go up, from my house in NJ. I was very excited to be witnessing the construction of the tallest building in the world. It was the future. My family went to visit it as soon as it was up and running. I can't believe this happend. I wept. To all on the list from other countries, I openly apologize for our current president. I'm embarrassed to be a US citizen. Maybe I should move to Canada. Any Canadians on the list? Mark Sottilaro petr wrote: > There is a fascinating way we loopers can contribute to this tragedy > today... How about making a loop of your prayer/meditation/whatever > you practice and let it run in your looper of your choice? Gear > junkies, who own several loopers, can even do simultaneous multiple > loops! > > This can be an interesting and helpful in adding some positive energy > to the workld's morphogenetic fields... > > petr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 20:07:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03797; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 19:45:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 19:45:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Repeater: Persistent Problems with Sync Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:31:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes there are some issues with MIDI sync. This is mostly related to MIDI loop recording quantization. Our forum in our website has more information on this subject. Without going into extensive detail, we have pinpointed most of the problems reported. The good news is they are software related and are all being addressed for the next OS release. It will be available soon and for free from our website. You will need a CFC reader and a working CFC card to load the software. As soon as it's available we will post the list Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 20:15:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04093; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 19:53:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 19:53:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9E9329.11E1687F@sigecom.net> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 18:41:48 -0400 From: Scott Winzinger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: I would like this function for Repeater Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No. You have to scroll up to loop via #6 (down #5) then bank up to #21 to do this. I would like to be able to just scroll up and it go right into the selected loop without pressing #21. That extra program change is tricky if you are a solo act like me who sings and plays guitar. I would think it would be an easy thing to add. My Boomerang Plus use to do it. Scott From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 20:16:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04098; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 19:53:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 19:53:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00bf01c13b1a$f70e9100$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <7c.1b632bb6.28cfa3f7@aol.com> <005e01c13b0e$09b321c0$e5456f40@oemcomputer> <3B9E9454.C245AFA6@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: OT - 9-11-01 -- looping prayers Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 00:39:12 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <7Oirt.A.J3.iCqn7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't be an idiot. We're paying for a foreign policy that's been nearly non-existent except for bland gestures, junkets and photo-ops for the past 8 years. It's a repetition of what happened under Carter, in I suspect many ways. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: 11 September 2001 23:46 PM Subject: Re: OT - 9-11-01 -- looping prayers > When I was 5 I watched the World Trade Center go up, from my house in > NJ. I was very excited to be witnessing the construction of the tallest > building in the world. It was the future. My family went to visit it > as soon as it was up and running. I can't believe this happend. I > wept. > > To all on the list from other countries, I openly apologize for our > current president. I'm embarrassed to be a US citizen. Maybe I should > move to Canada. Any Canadians on the list? > > Mark Sottilaro > > petr wrote: > > > There is a fascinating way we loopers can contribute to this tragedy > > today... How about making a loop of your prayer/meditation/whatever > > you practice and let it run in your looper of your choice? Gear > > junkies, who own several loopers, can even do simultaneous multiple > > loops! > > > > This can be an interesting and helpful in adding some positive energy > > to the workld's morphogenetic fields... > > > > petr > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 20:26:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05699; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:03:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:03:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Cc: References: Subject: Re: Repeater: Persistent Problems with Sync Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:48:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Sep 2001 23:48:32.0418 (UTC) FILETIME=[43B59020:01C13B1C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Excellent News! Thanks for the info, Damon. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 4:31 PM Subject: RE: Repeater: Persistent Problems with Sync > Yes there are some issues with MIDI sync. This is mostly related to MIDI > loop recording quantization. Our forum in our website has more information > on this subject. Without going into extensive detail, we have pinpointed > most of the problems reported. The good news is they are software related > and are all being addressed for the next OS release. It will be available > soon and for free from our website. You will need a CFC reader and a working > CFC card to load the software. As soon as it's available we will post the > list > > > Respect, > > Damon Langlois > Creative Director > Electrix > Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 > http://www.electrixpro.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 20:50:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06873; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:28:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:28:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: "Stephen P. Goodman" , References: <7c.1b632bb6.28cfa3f7@aol.com> <005e01c13b0e$09b321c0$e5456f40@oemcomputer> <3B9E9454.C245AFA6@zerocrossing.net> <00bf01c13b1a$f70e9100$0201a8c0@stephen> Subject: Re: OT - 9-11-01 -- looping prayers Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 17:13:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Sep 2001 00:13:29.0297 (UTC) FILETIME=[BFEB2C10:01C13B1F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think Mark was apologizing in advance... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 4:39 PM Subject: Re: OT - 9-11-01 -- looping prayers > Don't be an idiot. We're paying for a foreign policy that's been nearly > non-existent except for bland gestures, junkets and photo-ops for the past 8 > years. It's a repetition of what happened under Carter, in I suspect many > ways. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Sottilaro" > To: > Sent: 11 September 2001 23:46 PM > Subject: Re: OT - 9-11-01 -- looping prayers > > > > When I was 5 I watched the World Trade Center go up, from my house in > > NJ. I was very excited to be witnessing the construction of the tallest > > building in the world. It was the future. My family went to visit it > > as soon as it was up and running. I can't believe this happend. I > > wept. > > > > To all on the list from other countries, I openly apologize for our > > current president. I'm embarrassed to be a US citizen. Maybe I should > > move to Canada. Any Canadians on the list? > > > > Mark Sottilaro > > > > petr wrote: > > > > > There is a fascinating way we loopers can contribute to this tragedy > > > today... How about making a loop of your prayer/meditation/whatever > > > you practice and let it run in your looper of your choice? Gear > > > junkies, who own several loopers, can even do simultaneous multiple > > > loops! > > > > > > This can be an interesting and helpful in adding some positive energy > > > to the workld's morphogenetic fields... > > > > > > petr > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 21:05:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07501; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:43:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:43:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 19:30:37 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: OT - 9-11-01 -- looping prayers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000b01c13b22$25047320$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <7c.1b632bb6.28cfa3f7@aol.com> <005e01c13b0e$09b321c0$e5456f40@oemcomputer> <3B9E9454.C245AFA6@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: <-g0sOD.A.SrB.iwqn7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you think bush hijacked those planes? >, I openly apologize for our > current president. I'm embarrassed to be a US citizen. Maybe I should > move to Canada. Any Canadians on the list? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 21:40:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA32244; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 18:42:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 18:42:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: EDP functions without using MIDI Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:39:53 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is posible of course without MIDI by using record and ending with mute, then hit mute (possibly twice, if quantize is on) to start the loop playback. I know this is simple but it works very elegantly with the PMC, the patches can be placed adjacent to one another making for less shifting of weight and possible teetering of loop person attempting to improvise (and hopefully entertain). Gary PS Repeaters are still in stock for $599 at GC in Sherman Oaks--I'm holding out for software version 2.x PPS I hope we're not all gonna be fighting soon--or dying-- -----Original Message----- Greetings-- Here's a new way to utilize the Echoplex as a live toool (I guess it's something of an instrument)-- Gotta have a PMC-10 or something like it. MIDI string A is record, MIDI string B is Mute--set it as momentary. Press the pedal as you begin to record, then release at the end of the recording. This essentially "captures" your performance (like a firefly in a jar!) So then have another switch that unmutes (I'm using quantize pretty much all the time--I don't change my defaults unless Grandma comes by) And when it's time to solo, hit that one. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 21:45:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10111; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 21:22:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 21:22:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.119.144] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: a prayer Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:08:53 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Sep 2001 01:08:53.0744 (UTC) FILETIME=[7D718700:01C13B27] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yea, yea, yea.... So far all I have heard from you "non-American's" is "America should be cool, quiet, and lay on our proverbial backs", while these fiends get away with MURDER. Now I am not advocating total nuclear annihilation of "suspect" terrorist countries, unlike the CEO of CoffeeCup Software, and I quote : Hello everyone, This is Nicholas Longo, the CEO of CoffeeCup Software. As you may have heard the World Trade Center and Pentagon were attacked about 45 minutes ago. The Team at CoffeeCup would like to send our heart felt sorrow to those that perished in these attacks. We would like to also say on record that if any country is found responsible for these attacks, we call for that country's complete destruction and annihilation. Do not let terrorism which is designed to create fear and stop production, halt your life or work. Stay focused and do not stop what you are doing. -May God bless us all and the decisions we must make. Nick- - Strong Words, and this is a CEO talking ! I am ashamed at President Bush's lack of leadership in this crisis, he should had gotten more DNA from his father, instead of his Momma. same feelings here in Switzerland!! we are all deeply shocked and pray for all people involved in this terrible tragedy............. Daniel Pezzotti P.S. Let's hope that art and music still has the power to make our world a little better! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Soto" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:28 PM Subject: a prayer Please, let´s raise our prayers to STOP war, I know you Americans are filled with rage and anger and pain right now,as the rest of the peace loving nations in the world, but a full large scale war at this point in history just means the end of our civilization. Let´s hope violence is not answered with violence, sure it is already the end of the world as we know it but let´s hope for the best. My deepest condolences to all the people in the US. Andy in Mexico City _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 21:45:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10109; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 21:22:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 21:22:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.202.176.54] From: "Jon" To: References: Subject: Synch issues, the official electrix response. Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:22:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Sep 2001 01:07:35.0359 (UTC) FILETIME=[4EB8ECF0:01C13B27] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mr Sottilaro said: > So I've noticed the Electrix people have become silent all of the sudden. > Hello? Is this thing on? Is this something that can be fixed via software, > or should I give up? I've got an itchy looping finger, and I'll jump ship > faster than you can say, "Sorry Kim Flint." > Well, would >you< show your head in here, after all the abuse they've received? >From the electrixpro site: >Thanks for your, and everyone's, support. We are definitely looking into ?>correcting the timing glitches and this issue is of major priority. Thank >goodness updates to the OS can be made through the CompactFlash >card...saves having to send in units and being without your Repeater for a >few weeks. IMHO, I'm rather pessemistic. It's not like they didn't have an extra year to fix the problem; the chances are, this is a hardware problem :< Still, we can be hope. My emu xl-7 was shipped with an OS that paused every time you changed patterns - totally unplayable. They fixed it the next day, though there are still problems. Eric Williamson says: >i can't believe it's the year 2001, 170-dollar DVD players have five 24-bit >digital converters, memory is _dirt_frippin_cheap, and people can't get a >hifi qudraphonic long delay to work right ... and the only viable alternative >is an INCREDIBLE interface, software, and concept chained like the >sialor to the albatross to a ten-year old collection of Gibson-warehoused >electronics-surplus-sale hardware. Sure, but back in the old days, everything was a lot simpler. It's not just the feature creature - the stuff is just much more complicated from the ground up. This is why there are bugs in everything these days, it's not just lazy developers. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 22:00:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA32317; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 18:43:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 18:43:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:44:47 -0700 Subject: Re: EDP question/etc. Message-ID: <20010911.154449.212.5.tony-moore@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,16-17,25-30,32-59 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Tony Moore Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey dennis, you don't have to be recording per se on the dl4 to use the reverse preset. you can just select it as you would any of the modeled delay presets. it does take some getting used to as there is some inherent delay in the reverse. i'm sure someone else can give a much better explanation of this :-) i usually use the dl4 for the reverse and the sweep delay as an effect and then loop that signal with the boomerang, then send the looped signal to something else to effect on the fly. i picked up some of the cheap electrix stuff (mo-fx, filter factory, vocoder) and love doing this with it! i also run the loops thru a vortex occasionally. other effects in the pre-looper path vary (boss octave, bass microsynth, spacestation, korg filter...). i've been patiently waiting for my repeater to arrive :-) as kim mentioned, i bought it more as a recorder than a looper and also as an interface to transfer my live loops to the 'puter for composing/mixing. i'm hoping all the talk about this not being possible is overkill... but that's another topic! anyway, i really dig having tactile, floor based loopers like the dl4 and boomerang as my main loopers. i had an edp for awhile, but just wasn't patient enough to dig any deeper than what the rang or dl4 could do. i'll prolly buy another one some day, but after seeing what steve lawson did with just 2 dl4's at the la loop feste, i feel like i still have more digging to do with my meager gear. oh, and andre completely blew my mind with his use of the edp! i guess i just ain't smart enuf for that fancy stuff ;-) hope this was of some help, tony On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:35:01 -0500 "Dennis Leas" writes: > Hi Tony, > > > i use a line 6 dl4 in front of a boomerang to do this. the reverse > > feature on the dl4 is cool, but takes a bit to get used to. i > think > > combining loopers is incredibly useful. > > Yes! I think combining loopers provides a lot of powerful features > not > available otherwise. > > So you record on the DL4, then play the loop reversed into the > Boomerang? > Therefore, the inital loop on the Boomerang is recorded reversed? > Am I > understanding correctly? > > Tell me more. I don't see how the sound is different than recording > forward > and playing back in reverse. > > Thanks! > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 22:43:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14065; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 22:21:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 22:21:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: Repeater Synch Workaround. Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 19:12:07 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <3B9E7907.E674D29A@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmmm... let me see if I understand this. I have been collecting a lot of data in my own explorations of copying WAV files into pre-existing tracks. This has forced me to clearly define terms to reflect what the Repeater is actually doing. The terms loop, track, WAV, tempo, length, size, etc. can be misleading and very confusing if used loosely - so please bear with my semantic nit-picking. The Repeater is primarily a multi-track recorder, so IMO, the WAV files are the primary files. LPA simply alters the playback of these files. So let's make sure I've got this right - a loop organizes up to four WAV files of potentially different sizes into a common time reference. The LPA feature (and associated trim information) adjusts the audio playback to common reference points that define the length of individual tracks which form the basis of the loop. So "track length" does not correspond to the size or length of the recorded WAV file, it determines how the WAV is non-destructively trimmed in playback. And you are saying that the first recording of a WAV defines trim points that are used for subsequent WAV recordings in that loop, which defines the final beat placement. Correct? BTW, won't overdubbing on a 'silent track' raise the noise floor level? That's why I suggested going into 'Replace mode'. -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:50 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater Synch Workaround. Yes, I do mean a silent track. Only one is needed, as it defines all four track lengths. Since nothing is on it, I went into overdub mode, but I think replace would work just as well, and not have any possible overlap. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 23:09:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15052; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 22:48:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 22:48:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010912023300.83051.qmail@web20702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 19:33:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Deveaux Subject: Re: I would like this function for Repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3B9E9329.11E1687F@sigecom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a some what weird work around, but on the ART X-15 pedal you can go into the program mode & set the particular # of each pedal (using the effect on/off mode). This would let you set the 2 pedals side by side so that you do not have to use the bank pedal & scroll around. --- Scott Winzinger wrote: > No. You have to scroll up to loop via #6 (down > #5) then bank up to #21 > to do this. I would like to be able to just > scroll up and it go right > into the selected loop without pressing #21. > > That extra program change is tricky if you are > a solo act like me who > sings and plays guitar. > > I would think it would be an easy thing to add. > My Boomerang Plus use to > do it. > > Scott > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 23:17:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15295; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 22:55:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 22:55:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9ECBC0.687D8A20@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 19:43:13 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - 9-11-01 -- looping prayers References: <7c.1b632bb6.28cfa3f7@aol.com> <005e01c13b0e$09b321c0$e5456f40@oemcomputer> <3B9E9454.C245AFA6@zerocrossing.net> <00bf01c13b1a$f70e9100$0201a8c0@stephen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Exactly. Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > I think Mark was apologizing in advance... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen P. Goodman" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 4:39 PM > Subject: Re: OT - 9-11-01 -- looping prayers > > > Don't be an idiot. We're paying for a foreign policy that's been nearly > > non-existent except for bland gestures, junkets and photo-ops for the past > 8 > > years. It's a repetition of what happened under Carter, in I suspect many > > ways. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark Sottilaro" > > To: > > Sent: 11 September 2001 23:46 PM > > Subject: Re: OT - 9-11-01 -- looping prayers > > > > > > > When I was 5 I watched the World Trade Center go up, from my house in > > > NJ. I was very excited to be witnessing the construction of the tallest > > > building in the world. It was the future. My family went to visit it > > > as soon as it was up and running. I can't believe this happend. I > > > wept. > > > > > > To all on the list from other countries, I openly apologize for our > > > current president. I'm embarrassed to be a US citizen. Maybe I should > > > move to Canada. Any Canadians on the list? > > > > > > Mark Sottilaro > > > > > > petr wrote: > > > > > > > There is a fascinating way we loopers can contribute to this tragedy > > > > today... How about making a loop of your prayer/meditation/whatever > > > > you practice and let it run in your looper of your choice? Gear > > > > junkies, who own several loopers, can even do simultaneous multiple > > > > loops! > > > > > > > > This can be an interesting and helpful in adding some positive energy > > > > to the workld's morphogenetic fields... > > > > > > > > petr > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 23:19:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15293; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 22:55:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 22:55:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010912024026.15261.qmail@web20706.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 19:40:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Deveaux Subject: REPEATER wish list To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3B9E9329.11E1687F@sigecom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The repeater needs a programmable midi map. The old ART SGE has one so I would think the repeater could. Then you could assign any PROGRAM CHANGE to control any feature that you desired. If that isn't possible then I would at least like: To go down in pitch 1 octave with a simple button press. My ART X-15 expression pedals send such large values that it goes down 2 octaves & the cc values are not settable. So...I have to play with the pedal to get it to stop at the 1 octave position (which is about useless). I want to use the guitar to record bass lines without spinning & spinning & spinning the pitch dial on the repeater. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 23:27:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA16691; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 23:04:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 23:04:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9ECD5C.74BFF5A5@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 19:50:04 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - 9-11-01 -- looping prayers References: <7c.1b632bb6.28cfa3f7@aol.com> <005e01c13b0e$09b321c0$e5456f40@oemcomputer> <3B9E9454.C245AFA6@zerocrossing.net> <000b01c13b22$25047320$080210ac@jpalmer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, I think he put down his coke spoon and said, "we've got to do somp'n about this dang economy!" and hijacked those planes. Why else didn't we know where he was? Florada, yeah right. As he flew the plane into the WTC, he parachuted out, had a hotdog, and what we've been watching on TV today is an animatronic Bush made by Disney. I'm making a movie about it called "Wag the Fratboy" jim palmer wrote: > you think bush hijacked those planes? > > >, I openly apologize for our > > current president. I'm embarrassed to be a US citizen. Maybe I should > > move to Canada. Any Canadians on the list? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 23:44:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA17522; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 23:22:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 23:22:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.202.176.54] From: "Jon" To: , References: Subject: WOT Re: a prayer Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:08:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Sep 2001 03:07:39.0262 (UTC) FILETIME=[149549E0:01C13B38] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Yea, yea, yea.... So far all I have heard from you "non-American's" is > "America should be cool, quiet, and lay on our proverbial backs", while > these fiends get away with MURDER. Now I am not advocating total nuclear > annihilation of "suspect" terrorist countries, unlike the CEO of CoffeeCup > Software, and I quote : It takes quite a bit to motivate someone to fly themselves into the side of a building. I would assume that it probably take something along the anger that you are expressing, to several orders of magnitude. Perhaps, more personally felt, than something they watched on a TV screen. How did it make you feel to be the recipient of their reaction? Have you learnt your lesson? It doesn't sound like it. What makes you think that someone else, in a country with much more legitimate reasons to be agreived would not respond the same way? What if they're right wing conservatives, to the extreme? Do you think they would be more or less understanding? Do they think they will 'take it on their back'? Wait a moment, someone just did - it's on the news... There are reasons why people in other countries feel differently about America's actions. The rest of the world, does not get their news spoon fed to them from the whitehouse, sandwhiched between the titilating discussions of politician's sex lives and the latest Jerry Springer pablum that passes for news on CNN. They know about the children dieing in Iraq due to sanctions, and a myriad of other rather gruesome the US government has engineered, that I won't bother to get into on a Looper's list. If you want more than the mindless revenge that passes for justice these days, you have to find out what made these people so agrieved they decided to kill themselves, otherwise they'll just continue; there are plenty more where they came from. I'm pretty certain that all we will see now is more violence and more atrocities, from both sides. Words cannot express the grief of knowing what is to come. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 23:45:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA17523; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 23:22:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 23:22:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca Message-Id: Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 23:08:15 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: Electrix No More? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <74kDRC.A.6HE.CHtn7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't want to start a rumour, but i heard that Electrix is in financial trouble. when i think about it, it does seem strange to unload all their products and put all their eggs in one basket. Damon, can you give us some sense of whats going on over there and hopefully squash this rumour? thanks plexus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 23:48:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA17672; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 23:26:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 23:26:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9ED2BD.58BFA377@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:13:02 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater Synch Workaround. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-QYomD.A.-KE.TKtn7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeah, that pretty much explains it, as far as I understand it. Except that all four files that comprise a loop should be exactly the same length. I assume the other files describe how the Repeater deals with each file. I didn't think about the noise floor, but remember, I'm coming from being a JamMan user, where it's all about the noisefloor. Tim Goodwin wrote: > Hmmm... let me see if I understand this. I have been collecting a lot of > data in my own explorations of copying WAV files into pre-existing tracks. > This has forced me to clearly define terms to reflect what the Repeater is > actually doing. The terms loop, track, WAV, tempo, length, size, etc. can > be misleading and very confusing if used loosely - so please bear with my > semantic nit-picking. > > The Repeater is primarily a multi-track recorder, so IMO, the WAV files are > the primary files. LPA simply alters the playback of these files. So let's > make sure I've got this right - a loop organizes up to four WAV files of > potentially different sizes into a common time reference. The LPA feature > (and associated trim information) adjusts the audio playback to common > reference points that define the length of individual tracks which form the > basis of the loop. So "track length" does not correspond to the size or > length of the recorded WAV file, it determines how the WAV is > non-destructively trimmed in playback. And you are saying that the first > recording of a WAV defines trim points that are used for subsequent WAV > recordings in that loop, which defines the final beat placement. Correct? > > BTW, won't overdubbing on a 'silent track' raise the noise floor level? > That's why I suggested going into 'Replace mode'. > > -- > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:50 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Repeater Synch Workaround. > > Yes, I do mean a silent track. Only one is needed, as it defines all four > track lengths. Since nothing is on it, I went into overdub mode, but I > think > replace would work just as well, and not have any possible overlap. > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 00:04:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18427; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 23:42:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 23:42:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 23:28:17 -0400 Subject: Re: a prayer From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002c01c13b05$d15ea2c0$2201a8c0@urso> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id XAA17774 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I woke this morning to the first plane swooping overhead on its way to the towers, and stood on the street watching downtown NYC in smoke, and the towers falling. All day the ambulances have passed my window. I just want to say that not all Americans are full of hate and revenge. This was an act of supreme ignorance and intolerance, and hopefully this government will not respond in kind. Everyone I know is praying that we are not witnessing a step toward something even more unimaginable. Please, everyone, realize that there is more than killing and resonding with further killing. I am afraid that America has a reputation for being an agressor and unstoppable retaliator, but not everyone here is screaming for blood. I perhaps fear most that we have an illiterate fool at our helm, and there is no telling what he and his people may do next. Good Lord, I voted for Ralph Nader--what would he be doing now? DLM > Please, let´s raise our prayers to STOP war, I know you Americans are > filled with rage and anger and pain right now,as the rest of the peace > loving nations in the world, but a full large scale war at this point in > history just means the end of our civilization. > > > Let´s hope violence is not answered with violence, sure it is already > the end of the world as we know it but let´s hope for the best. > > My deepest condolences to all the people in the US. > > > Andy in Mexico City > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 00:21:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20588; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 23:59:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 23:59:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010912034317.28209.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:43:17 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: OT - 9-11-01 -- looping prayers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3B9E9454.C245AFA6@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > To all on the list from other countries, I openly > apologize for our > current president. I'm embarrassed to be a US > citizen. Maybe I should > move to Canada. Any Canadians on the list? > > Mark Sottilaro Yeah, you would think that Clinton could have taken him aside & taught him how to bite his own lip & look dewy eyed. I'll bet Dubya doesn't even know the proper way of holding an intern by the ears. Mark, is that really you or has the Againinator taken over your email? John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 00:26:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA20749; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 00:04:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 00:04:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 21:16:14 -0700 From: glenn Subject: Re: WOT Re: a prayer In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: <72NSxC.A.ZpE.sttn7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jon, thanks for so eloquently saying what I'm too weary (at 38) of the unconsious patterns of the world to have said. Sincerely, Glenn Javaheri on 9/11/01 8:08 PM, Jon at ssrndpty@hotmail.com wrote: > >> Yea, yea, yea.... So far all I have heard from you "non-American's" is >> "America should be cool, quiet, and lay on our proverbial backs", while >> these fiends get away with MURDER. Now I am not advocating total nuclear >> annihilation of "suspect" terrorist countries, unlike the CEO of CoffeeCup >> Software, and I quote : > > It takes quite a bit to motivate someone to fly themselves into the side of > a building. I would assume that it probably take something along the anger > that you are expressing, to several orders of magnitude. Perhaps, more > personally felt, than something they watched on a TV screen. How did it make > you feel to be the recipient of their reaction? Have you learnt your lesson? > It doesn't sound like it. What makes you think that someone else, in a > country with much more legitimate reasons to be agreived would not respond > the same way? What if they're right wing conservatives, to the extreme? Do > you think they would be more or less understanding? Do they think they will > 'take it on their back'? Wait a moment, someone just did - it's on the > news... > > There are reasons why people in other countries feel differently about > America's actions. The rest of the world, does not get their news spoon fed > to them from the whitehouse, sandwhiched between the titilating discussions > of politician's sex lives and the latest Jerry Springer pablum that passes > for news on CNN. They know about the children dieing in Iraq due to > sanctions, and a myriad of other rather gruesome the US government has > engineered, that I won't bother to get into on a Looper's list. > > If you want more than the mindless revenge that passes for justice these > days, you have to find out what made these people so agrieved they decided > to kill themselves, otherwise they'll just continue; there are plenty more > where they came from. > > I'm pretty certain that all we will see now is more violence and more > atrocities, from both sides. Words cannot express the grief of knowing what > is to come. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 00:27:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA20748; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 00:04:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 00:04:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 22:47:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200109120347.f8C3l2914596@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Andy Soto Subject: Re: a prayer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id XAA18966 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Somebody has to tell this: I do not support murder,or violence in any form,and I feel very sorry for all the people who died today on those attacks,but that doesn´t mean you have the right to put the rest of man kind in Jeopardy, (nor had the germans in WWII) There are lot´s of things people shouldn´t get away with,and if you think the US is 100% innocent on what happened today, on what happens every day,and on what´s been happening since the 19th century,you should open your eyes right now... It´s no secret your goverment promotes wars AND supports terrorists (as nicaragua´s CONTRAS) for it´s own twisted interests;in order to balance it´s economy,test new weapons and put a scare on the rest of the world,screaming to the four winds "freedom,liberty, etc" ,it´s a well known fact that the things we presume about the most are the things we LACK the most... so Americans have come to believe they won WWII by themselves,make Pearl Harbor films and even Change history (U-571),do whatever they have to do to convince themselves they are invulnerable. Again:I´m not pro terrorist,not a racist,not violent promoter, but hey Dj devious,the rest of the world must live with some damn dirty stinky shit from you guys,as thousends of Mexicans getting killed and beaten in the border by stupid rednecks just because they are looking for a better future just as your grandparents and greatgrandparents did once! and to have lost more than half of my country´s territory in some dirty backstabbing war, etc... That´s just my opinion, and even so, I´m deeply concerned for all the people who got killed today,those things MUST NOT HAPPEN,and I would like to see the people responsible for this punished, real hard... but,on the other hand, think what all this thing means for your nation...and say of you nation.Think why this kind of american SYMBOLS where destroyed... I do not support violence, but comments like what you made,devious, clearly points out why The United States is under attack. there it is, Andy Soto in Mexico City. At 08:08 p.m. 11/09/01 -0500, you wrote: >Yea, yea, yea.... So far all I have heard from you "non-American's" is >"America should be cool, quiet, and lay on our proverbial backs", while >these fiends get away with MURDER. Now I am not advocating total nuclear >annihilation of "suspect" terrorist countries, unlike the CEO of CoffeeCup >Software, and I quote : > >Hello everyone, > >This is Nicholas Longo, the CEO of CoffeeCup Software. >As you may have heard the World Trade Center and Pentagon >were attacked about 45 minutes ago. > >The Team at CoffeeCup would like to send our heart felt >sorrow to those that perished in these attacks. > >We would like to also say on record that if any country >is found responsible for these attacks, we call for that >country's complete destruction and annihilation. > >Do not let terrorism which is designed to create fear >and stop production, halt your life or work. > >Stay focused and do not stop what you are doing. > > >-May God bless us all and the decisions we must make. > > >Nick- > >- Strong Words, and this is a CEO talking ! >I am ashamed at President Bush's lack of leadership in this crisis, he >should had gotten more DNA from his father, instead of his Momma. > > > > > > >same feelings here in Switzerland!! >we are all deeply shocked and pray for all people involved in this terrible >tragedy............. > > >Daniel Pezzotti > >P.S. Let's hope that art and music still has the power to make our world a >little better! > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Andy Soto" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:28 PM >Subject: a prayer > > > > Please, let´s raise our prayers to STOP war, I know you Americans are >filled with rage and anger and pain right now,as the rest of the peace >loving nations in the world, but a full large scale war at this point in >history just means the end of our civilization. > > > Let´s hope violence is not answered with violence, sure it is already >the end of the world as we know it but let´s hope for the best. > > My deepest condolences to all the people in the US. > > >Andy in Mexico City > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 00:49:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA21838; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 00:27:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 00:27:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Stephan Vladimir Bugaj" To: Subject: RE: a prayer Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 00:10:53 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <200109120347.f8C3l2914596@servidor.unam.mx> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I do not support violence, but comments like what you made,devious, clearly points out why The United States is under attack. --------- Yes, because the words of the few are taken as the feelings of the many, and that becomes a justification for how the actions taken are "deserved"... Just like any other form of xenophobia... - S From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 00:54:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22008; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 00:32:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 00:32:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 00:17:28 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: a prayer Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I just want >to say that not all Americans are full of hate and revenge. This was an act >of supreme ignorance and intolerance, and hopefully this government will not >respond in kind. Everyone I know is praying that we are not witnessing a >step toward something even more unimaginable. Please, everyone, realize >that there is more than killing and resonding with further killing. I am >afraid that America has a reputation for being an agressor and unstoppable >retaliator, but not everyone here is screaming for blood. I perhaps fear >most that we have an illiterate fool at our helm, and there is no telling >what he and his people may do next. Good Lord, I voted for Ralph >Nader--what would he be doing now? Ralph Nader would probably not have been good for the country (though I did support him for the last election) but this would probably not have happened if he'd been elected... he was one of the very few politicians critical of Israel. regardless. I've been crying all day. all those people. all that destruction: those buildings were so beautiful. all that death. I love New York so much. How could anyone be so horrible? /t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 01:20:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22969; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 00:57:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 00:57:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: Repeater Synch Workaround. Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 21:48:00 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3B9ED2BD.58BFA377@zerocrossing.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nope. In fact, it's rare that they are the same size (at least in my loops). Check them out yourself. I do know that you can get a WAV file to play back within a loop if it is the same exact size as the WAV file it is replacing (to the 1/100th of a second), but that doesn't mean that it has to be the same size as the other files in the loop. Of course, the trim points are off but I'm still racking my brains to figure out a work around for imports & exports to work properly. I will post some of the data I have collected later tonight (if I have the time). -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:13 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater Synch Workaround. yeah, that pretty much explains it, as far as I understand it. Except that all four files that comprise a loop should be exactly the same length. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 01:40:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA24790; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 01:18:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 01:18:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c13b47$921a52c0$7b24d9c8@r5f3d1> From: "IG2" To: References: <200109111928.f8BJSG900919@servidor.unam.mx> Subject: Hyper Off Toppic . Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 17:15:35 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004C_01C13AE5.5EF7BB60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C13AE5.5EF7BB60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bush will use all our money for the new defense sistem . julio ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andy Soto=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 4:28 PM Subject: a prayer Please, let=B4s raise our prayers to STOP war, I know you = Americans are filled with rage and anger and pain right now,as the rest of the peace loving nations in the world, but a full large scale war at this point = in history just means the end of our civilization. Let=B4s hope violence is not answered with violence, sure it is = already the end of the world as we know it but let=B4s hope for the best. My deepest condolences to all the people in the US. Andy in Mexico City ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C13AE5.5EF7BB60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bush will use all our money for the new = defense=20 sistem .
julio
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Andy=20 Soto
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, = 2001 4:28=20 PM
Subject: a prayer


    Please, let=B4s raise our = prayers to STOP=20 war, I know you Americans are
filled with rage and anger and pain = right=20 now,as the rest of the peace
loving nations in the world, but a = full large=20 scale war at this point in
history just means the end of our=20 civilization.


  Let=B4s hope  violence is not=20 answered  with violence, sure it is already
the end of the = world as we=20 know it but let=B4s hope for the best.

  My deepest = condolences to=20 all the people in the US.


Andy in Mexico=20 City

------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C13AE5.5EF7BB60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 02:19:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA26066; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 01:57:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 01:57:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010912054249.32753.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 22:42:49 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: a prayer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200109120347.f8C3l2914596@servidor.unam.mx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <0KaQ1D.A.iQG.aXvn7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Andy Soto wrote: > Somebody has to tell this: And someone has to respond. > I do not support murder,or violence in any > form,and I feel very sorry > for all the people who died today on those > attacks,but that doesn´t mean you > have the right to put the rest of man kind in > Jeopardy, (nor had the germans > in WWII) Please elaborate on the pre-war bombing of German cities that led Hitler to "put the rest of mankind in jeopardy". > There are lot´s of things people shouldn´t get > away with,and if you > think the US is 100% innocent on what happened > today, on what happens every > day,and on what´s been happening since the 19th > century,you should open your > eyes right now... In the 19th century, (as well as 1/2 of the 20th) America was, at best, a 2nd rate military power. At the beginning of WWII, our standing army was compar- able to Portugal's. > It´s no secret your goverment promotes wars AND > supports terrorists (as > nicaragua´s CONTRAS) for it´s own twisted > interests;in order to balance it´s > economy,test new weapons and put a scare on the rest > of the world,screaming > to the four winds "freedom,liberty, etc" ,it´s a > well known fact that the > things we presume about the most are the things we > LACK the most... You are correct to point out that at certain times in our history we have allied ourselves with evil. In WWII, we allied ourselves with the Soviet Union because we saw them as being the lesser of 2 evils. During the Cold War, we were often in bed with tin horn, right wing, dictatorships because at that time & in that place, we saw them as being the lesser evil. As an American, I would prefer to put all communists & all facists in the same bag & let them kill each other. Communism & Facism are flip sides of the same bogus coinage anyway. > so Americans have come to believe they won WWII > by themselves, I'll bet we were taught more about the Soviet's contribution than they were taught about ours. Even a sad-sack sitcom like "Hogan's Heros" had a running joke about sending Germans to the eastern front. > make > Pearl Harbor films and even Change history > (U-571),do whatever they have to > do to convince themselves they are invulnerable. I will not even try to defend Hollywood other than to say that they have the right to make as crappy a movie as they desire. Please elaborate on Mexico's contri- bution to unbiased historical film making. > Again:I´m not pro terrorist,not a racist,not > violent promoter, but hey Dj > devious,the rest of the world must live with some > damn dirty stinky shit > from you guys,as thousends of Mexicans getting > killed and beaten in the > border by stupid rednecks just because they are > looking for a better future > just as your grandparents and greatgrandparents did > once! Please elaborate on why Mexicans are unable to find a better future in Mexico. Please explain why so many Mexicans allow themselves to be packed into trucks (by Mexicans) or led into the desert(by Mexicans),at risk of their lives, in order to come here. > and to have lost > more than half of my country´s territory in some > dirty backstabbing war, etc... All of which happened before your great-grandparents were even born. Elaborate on who bore responsibility for stabbing Mexico in the back, the United States or Santa Anna. > That´s just my opinion, and even so, I´m deeply > concerned for all the > people who got killed today,those things MUST NOT > HAPPEN,and I would like to > see the people responsible for this punished, real > hard... but,on the other > hand, think what all this thing means for your > nation...and say of you > nation.Think why this kind of american SYMBOLS where > destroyed... Yeah, the Pentagon, the symbol of America's military might. We kind of like our military forces. They've kept us free of foreign tyranny for over 200 years. We prefer to let the voters take care of the home grown tyrants. What's your excuse? > I do not support violence, but comments like what > you made,devious, > clearly points out why The United States is under > attack. And I hope my comments illustrate why, in the not too distant future, the people behind this attack will corner the market on parking lot futures. > there it is, Nuff said, > Andy Soto in Mexico City. John Tidwell in Georgia. ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 02:53:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA28447; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 02:31:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 02:31:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.97.111] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: smaug@servidor.unam.mx Subject: Re: a prayer Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 01:16:27 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Sep 2001 06:16:28.0310 (UTC) FILETIME=[7538D360:01C13B52] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh, bite me Soto. Ok, America is not "innocent". Well those 1,000's of victims today were. They were no heads of state, political leaders, etc. Ok, say we go to war or retaliate against the fiends who did this. How does this effect Mexico ? Will we forcefully draft young Mexican men into our hellish army, to fight for American freedom (NOT) ! Will the mean-o terrorist attack Mexico, because you guys are attached to the US (NOT !). They care little for your back water country, they only envy the fact that you guys swindle us out of all those billions, to subsidize that "bio-dome", but that's another story. And those "red-necks" that beat and torture Mexican immigrants, well that's another story. Those poor guys, have seen their way of life dwindle and usurped by "workers" that will work for pennies on the dollar. They are angry, their actions are that of anger, do I condone that... NO ! But you must admit, that anger will change a man's thinking. Now, look into your history my brother. Unless you are a direct Mayan descendant, your fore-fathers took over Mexico themselves, so don't hollar at us.... you have your own dark history. ----Original Message Follows---- From: Andy Soto To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com Subject: Re: a prayer Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 22:19:28 -0500 (CDT) Somebody has to tell this: I do not support murder,or violence in any form,and I feel very sorry for all the people who died today on those attacks,but that doesn't´t mean you have the right to put the rest of man kind in Jeopardy, (nor had the germans in WWII) There are lot´s of things people shouldn't´t get away with,and if you think the US is 100% innocent on what happened today, on what happens every day,and on what´s been happening since the 19th century,you should open your eyes right now... It´s no secret your goverment promotes wars AND supports terrorists (as nicaragua´s CONTRAS) for it´s own twisted interests;in order to balance it´s economy,test new weapons and put a scare on the rest of the world,screaming to the four winds "freedom,liberty, etc" ,it´s a well known fact that the things we presume about the most are the things we LACK the most... so Americans have come to believe they won WWII by themselves,make Pearl Harbor films and even Change history (U-571),do whatever they have to do to convince themselves they are invulnerable. Again:I´m not pro terrorist,not a racist,not violent promoter, but hey Dj devious,the rest of the world must live with some damn dirty stinky shit from you guys,as thousends of Mexicans getting killed and beaten in the border by stupid rednecks just because they are looking for a better future just as your grandparents and greatgrandparents did once! and to have lost more than half of my country´s territory in some dirty backstabbing war, etc... That´s just my opinion, and even so, I´m deeply concerned for all the people who got killed today,those things MUST NOT HAPPEN,and I would like to see the people responsible for this punished, real hard... but,on the other hand, think what all this thing means for your nation...and say of you nation.Think why this kind of american SYMBOLS where destroyed... I do not support violence, but comments like what you made,devious, clearly points out why The United States is under attack. there it is, Andy Soto in Mexico City. At 08:08 p.m. 11/09/01 -0500, you wrote: >Yea, yea, yea.... So far all I have heard from you "non-American's" is >"America should be cool, quiet, and lay on our proverbial backs", while >these fiends get away with MURDER. Now I am not advocating total nuclear >annihilation of "suspect" terrorist countries, unlike the CEO of CoffeeCup >Software, and I quote : > >Hello everyone, > >This is Nicholas Longo, the CEO of CoffeeCup Software. >As you may have heard the World Trade Center and Pentagon >were attacked about 45 minutes ago. > >The Team at CoffeeCup would like to send our heart felt >sorrow to those that perished in these attacks. > >We would like to also say on record that if any country >is found responsible for these attacks, we call for that >country's complete destruction and annihilation. > >Do not let terrorism which is designed to create fear >and stop production, halt your life or work. > >Stay focused and do not stop what you are doing. > > >-May God bless us all and the decisions we must make. > > >Nick- > >- Strong Words, and this is a CEO talking ! >I am ashamed at President Bush's lack of leadership in this crisis, he >should had gotten more DNA from his father, instead of his Momma. > > > > > > >same feelings here in Switzerland!! >we are all deeply shocked and pray for all people involved in this terrible >tragedy............. > > >Daniel Pezzotti > >P.S. Let's hope that art and music still has the power to make our world a >little better! > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Andy Soto" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:28 PM >Subject: a prayer > > > > Please, let´s raise our prayers to STOP war, I know you Americans are >filled with rage and anger and pain right now,as the rest of the peace >loving nations in the world, but a full large scale war at this point in >history just means the end of our civilization. > > > Let´s hope violence is not answered with violence, sure it is already >the end of the world as we know it but let´s hope for the best. > > My deepest condolences to all the people in the US. > > >Andy in Mexico City > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 02:58:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA28567; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 02:36:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 02:36:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010911225640.025c3ec8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 23:20:28 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: REPEATER wish list In-Reply-To: <20010912024026.15261.qmail@web20706.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3B9E9329.11E1687F@sigecom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:40 PM 9/11/2001, Robert Deveaux wrote: >The repeater needs a programmable midi map. Is the repeater actually able to save settings like that? Something I've noticed is every time I power cycle, all the parameter settings I've changed come back as default values. (feedback amount, metronome volume, etc.) I'm surprised there isn't some sort of non-volatile storage for these things. Also, I had been under the impression from hearing so much about how Repeater saves it's loops that it would save the loops in it's internal memory. It doesn't, as I discovered when I had to do a power cycle to get out of a midi sync bug, thinking my loop would still be there when it came back on. nope. I guess it only saves on the compact flash cards? Well, I guess this is a warning to others to be careful about that one. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 03:03:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA28699; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 02:41:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 02:41:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9F0035.6E8F7BE8@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 23:27:02 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: a prayer References: <200109120347.f8C3l2914596@servidor.unam.mx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Uh, this isn't a forum for political ideology. Can't some of you go find a nice soapbox somewhere and start screaming? Let's keep it to loop based music, eh? Andy Soto wrote: > Somebody has to tell this: > > I do not support murder,or violence in any form,and I feel very sorry > for all the people who died today on those attacks,but that doesn´t mean you > have the right to put the rest of man kind in Jeopardy, (nor had the germans > in WWII) > > There are lot´s of things people shouldn´t get away with,and if you > think the US is 100% innocent on what happened today, on what happens every > day,and on what´s been happening since the 19th century,you should open your > eyes right now... > > It´s no secret your goverment promotes wars AND supports terrorists (as > nicaragua´s CONTRAS) for it´s own twisted interests;in order to balance it´s > economy,test new weapons and put a scare on the rest of the world,screaming > to the four winds "freedom,liberty, etc" ,it´s a well known fact that the > things we presume about the most are the things we LACK the most... > > so Americans have come to believe they won WWII by themselves,make > Pearl Harbor films and even Change history (U-571),do whatever they have to > do to convince themselves they are invulnerable. > > Again:I´m not pro terrorist,not a racist,not violent promoter, but hey Dj > devious,the rest of the world must live with some damn dirty stinky shit > from you guys,as thousends of Mexicans getting killed and beaten in the > border by stupid rednecks just because they are looking for a better future > just as your grandparents and greatgrandparents did once! and to have lost > more than half of my country´s territory in some dirty backstabbing war, etc... > > That´s just my opinion, and even so, I´m deeply concerned for all the > people who got killed today,those things MUST NOT HAPPEN,and I would like to > see the people responsible for this punished, real hard... but,on the other > hand, think what all this thing means for your nation...and say of you > nation.Think why this kind of american SYMBOLS where destroyed... > > I do not support violence, but comments like what you made,devious, > clearly points out why The United States is under attack. > > there it is, > > Andy Soto in Mexico City. > > > > At 08:08 p.m. 11/09/01 -0500, you wrote: > >Yea, yea, yea.... So far all I have heard from you "non-American's" is > >"America should be cool, quiet, and lay on our proverbial backs", while > >these fiends get away with MURDER. Now I am not advocating total nuclear > >annihilation of "suspect" terrorist countries, unlike the CEO of CoffeeCup > >Software, and I quote : > > > >Hello everyone, > > > >This is Nicholas Longo, the CEO of CoffeeCup Software. > >As you may have heard the World Trade Center and Pentagon > >were attacked about 45 minutes ago. > > > >The Team at CoffeeCup would like to send our heart felt > >sorrow to those that perished in these attacks. > > > >We would like to also say on record that if any country > >is found responsible for these attacks, we call for that > >country's complete destruction and annihilation. > > > >Do not let terrorism which is designed to create fear > >and stop production, halt your life or work. > > > >Stay focused and do not stop what you are doing. > > > > > >-May God bless us all and the decisions we must make. > > > > > >Nick- > > > >- Strong Words, and this is a CEO talking ! > >I am ashamed at President Bush's lack of leadership in this crisis, he > >should had gotten more DNA from his father, instead of his Momma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >same feelings here in Switzerland!! > >we are all deeply shocked and pray for all people involved in this terrible > >tragedy............. > > > > > >Daniel Pezzotti > > > >P.S. Let's hope that art and music still has the power to make our world a > >little better! > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Andy Soto" > >To: > >Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:28 PM > >Subject: a prayer > > > > > > > > Please, let´s raise our prayers to STOP war, I know you Americans are > >filled with rage and anger and pain right now,as the rest of the peace > >loving nations in the world, but a full large scale war at this point in > >history just means the end of our civilization. > > > > > > Let´s hope violence is not answered with violence, sure it is already > >the end of the world as we know it but let´s hope for the best. > > > > My deepest condolences to all the people in the US. > > > > > >Andy in Mexico City > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 03:08:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA28830; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 02:45:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 02:45:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9F0147.9BEC81A6@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 23:31:35 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater Synch Workaround. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5RkzHD.A.17G.dEwn7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Huh, that's really interesting. If the tracks are all the same length, and uncompressed .wav files, I wonder why they'd be different sizes. I'm going to take tomorrow off and give it a closer look myself. Mark Tim Goodwin wrote: > Nope. In fact, it's rare that they are the same size (at least in my > loops). Check them out yourself. I do know that you can get a WAV file to > play back within a loop if it is the same exact size as the WAV file it is > replacing (to the 1/100th of a second), but that doesn't mean that it has to > be the same size as the other files in the loop. Of course, the trim points > are off but I'm still racking my brains to figure out a work around for > imports & exports to work properly. I will post some of the data I have > collected later tonight (if I have the time). > > -- > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:13 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Repeater Synch Workaround. > > yeah, that pretty much explains it, as far as I understand it. Except that > all > four files that comprise a loop should be exactly the same length. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 03:18:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA29174; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 02:55:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 02:55:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010912064039.51343.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 23:40:39 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: a prayer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- David Myers wrote: > I woke this morning to the first plane swooping > overhead on its way to the > towers, and stood on the street watching downtown > NYC in smoke, and the > towers falling. All day the ambulances have passed > my window. I just want > to say that not all Americans are full of hate and > revenge. This was an act > of supreme ignorance and intolerance, and hopefully > this government will not > respond in kind. Everyone I know is praying that we > are not witnessing a > step toward something even more unimaginable. > Please, everyone, realize > that there is more than killing and resonding with > further killing. I am > afraid that America has a reputation for being an > agressor and unstoppable > retaliator, but not everyone here is screaming for > blood. Gee, we could have used a lot more folks like you on Dec 7, 1941. Or maybe not. > I perhaps fear > most that we have an illiterate fool at our helm, and your keyboard.... > and there is no telling > what he and his people may do next. My first guess would be "the right things". > Good Lord, I > voted for Ralph > Nader--what would he be doing now? Suing the airlines? ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 03:24:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA30510; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 03:02:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 03:02:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.97.111] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: a prayer Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 01:46:37 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Sep 2001 06:46:37.0407 (UTC) FILETIME=[AB871EF0:01C13B56] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Amen, my brother. Let's not let this tradgedy polarize us. Music is the glue that binds us here at Loopers Delight, let's just dwell on that. What started out as words of sympathy, ended up being a twisted history lesson. Let's let it rest. ----Original Message Follows---- From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: a prayer Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 23:27:02 -0700 Uh, this isn't a forum for political ideology. Can't some of you go find a nice soapbox somewhere and start screaming? Let's keep it to loop based music, eh? Andy Soto wrote: > Somebody has to tell this: > > I do not support murder,or violence in any form,and I feel very sorry > for all the people who died today on those attacks,but that doesn´t mean you > have the right to put the rest of man kind in Jeopardy, (nor had the germans > in WWII) > > There are lot´s of things people shouldn´t get away with,and if you > think the US is 100% innocent on what happened today, on what happens every > day,and on what´s been happening since the 19th century,you should open your > eyes right now... > > It´s no secret your goverment promotes wars AND supports terrorists (as > nicaragua´s CONTRAS) for it´s own twisted interests;in order to balance it´s > economy,test new weapons and put a scare on the rest of the world,screaming > to the four winds "freedom,liberty, etc" ,it´s a well known fact that the > things we presume about the most are the things we LACK the most... > > so Americans have come to believe they won WWII by themselves,make > Pearl Harbor films and even Change history (U-571),do whatever they have to > do to convince themselves they are invulnerable. > > Again:I´m not pro terrorist,not a racist,not violent promoter, but hey Dj > devious,the rest of the world must live with some damn dirty stinky shit > from you guys,as thousends of Mexicans getting killed and beaten in the > border by stupid rednecks just because they are looking for a better future > just as your grandparents and greatgrandparents did once! and to have lost > more than half of my country´s territory in some dirty backstabbing war, etc... > > That´s just my opinion, and even so, I´m deeply concerned for all the > people who got killed today,those things MUST NOT HAPPEN,and I would like to > see the people responsible for this punished, real hard... but,on the other > hand, think what all this thing means for your nation...and say of you > nation.Think why this kind of american SYMBOLS where destroyed... > > I do not support violence, but comments like what you made,devious, > clearly points out why The United States is under attack. > > there it is, > > Andy Soto in Mexico City. > > > > At 08:08 p.m. 11/09/01 -0500, you wrote: > >Yea, yea, yea.... So far all I have heard from you "non-American's" is > >"America should be cool, quiet, and lay on our proverbial backs", while > >these fiends get away with MURDER. Now I am not advocating total nuclear > >annihilation of "suspect" terrorist countries, unlike the CEO of CoffeeCup > >Software, and I quote : > > > >Hello everyone, > > > >This is Nicholas Longo, the CEO of CoffeeCup Software. > >As you may have heard the World Trade Center and Pentagon > >were attacked about 45 minutes ago. > > > >The Team at CoffeeCup would like to send our heart felt > >sorrow to those that perished in these attacks. > > > >We would like to also say on record that if any country > >is found responsible for these attacks, we call for that > >country's complete destruction and annihilation. > > > >Do not let terrorism which is designed to create fear > >and stop production, halt your life or work. > > > >Stay focused and do not stop what you are doing. > > > > > >-May God bless us all and the decisions we must make. > > > > > >Nick- > > > >- Strong Words, and this is a CEO talking ! > >I am ashamed at President Bush's lack of leadership in this crisis, he > >should had gotten more DNA from his father, instead of his Momma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >same feelings here in Switzerland!! > >we are all deeply shocked and pray for all people involved in this terrible > >tragedy............. > > > > > >Daniel Pezzotti > > > >P.S. Let's hope that art and music still has the power to make our world a > >little better! > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Andy Soto" > >To: > >Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:28 PM > >Subject: a prayer > > > > > > > > Please, let´s raise our prayers to STOP war, I know you Americans are > >filled with rage and anger and pain right now,as the rest of the peace > >loving nations in the world, but a full large scale war at this point in > >history just means the end of our civilization. > > > > > > Let´s hope violence is not answered with violence, sure it is already > >the end of the world as we know it but let´s hope for the best. > > > > My deepest condolences to all the people in the US. > > > > > >Andy in Mexico City > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 03:32:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA30866; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 03:10:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 03:10:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010912065550.52969.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 23:55:50 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: WOT Re: a prayer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Jon wrote: > It takes quite a bit to motivate someone to fly > themselves into the side of > a building. Not really. You just have to catch them young. Hitler knew that. > If you want more than the mindless revenge that > passes for justice these > days, you have to find out what made these people so > agrieved they decided > to kill themselves, otherwise they'll just continue; > there are plenty more > where they came from. Granted, that 60 years after WWII, there still exist Nazis & Japanese militarists. You have to admit that we did thin the herd a bit. > I'm pretty certain that all we will see now is more > violence and more > atrocities, from both sides. Words cannot express > the grief of knowing what > is to come. We did not want this, but it is here. Short of becoming Islamic fanatics or begging the mullahs for mercy, what would you suggest? ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 03:35:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA30953; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 03:13:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 03:13:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9F07EA.A1A56842@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 23:59:55 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: REPEATER wish list References: <3B9E9329.11E1687F@sigecom.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20010911225640.025c3ec8@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1WSbBC.A.tbH.Afwn7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It does seem odd that the Repeater has no way of storing your saved settings. Perhaps it will when the loops are on CFC, I'll check this out tomorrow... Kim Flint wrote: > At 07:40 PM 9/11/2001, Robert Deveaux wrote: > >The repeater needs a programmable midi map. > > Is the repeater actually able to save settings like that? Something I've > noticed is every time I power cycle, all the parameter settings I've > changed come back as default values. (feedback amount, metronome volume, > etc.) I'm surprised there isn't some sort of non-volatile storage for these > things. > > Also, I had been under the impression from hearing so much about how > Repeater saves it's loops that it would save the loops in it's internal > memory. It doesn't, as I discovered when I had to do a power cycle to get > out of a midi sync bug, thinking my loop would still be there when it came > back on. nope. I guess it only saves on the compact flash cards? Well, I > guess this is a warning to others to be careful about that one. > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 03:49:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA31413; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 03:26:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 03:26:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010911232339.025c3ec8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 00:09:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Syncing the EDP to the Repeater In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010830093416.0449de50@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sorry for copying the mail below whole, but it was from a while ago so I figured the context was needed again. I was concerned about this problem quite a bit, and one of my reasons to get a repeater was just to figure this one out. (how's that for dedication? :) Anyway, it is true that when you try to sync an Echoplex to the Repeater's midi clock out there will be problems. The Echoplex loop time ends up slightly longer than the Repeater, and then shifts against the Repeater's loop as they play together. I thought this was really weird, since I had never seen anything like it with the EDP. I did some analysis of the Repeater's midi clock output, and sure enough there is a subtle bug in the Repeater clock out. If you aren't familiar with how midi clock works, basically it uses the ancient 24 pulses per quarter note method that dates back to the days of analog synths. in midi though, the "pulses" are actually a particular System Realtime byte. The clock generator sends 24 of these per beat at the given tempo. The clock pulses are normally spaced evenly in time so the receiver can use whichever pulse it needs to time most any sort of rhythm. so the time interval between these clock pulses should be equal to 1/24th of a beat. I made a little max patch that times the interval between midi clock pulses in milliseconds, and saves the data it collects into a text file. With the Repeater clock, I see the 23rd pulse of every beat is delayed by an entire interval. The 24th pulse then comes immediately after that, with no interval at all. so the 23rd pulse is practically right on top of it. So if the tempo is 125 BPM, the usual interval between pulses is 20ms. Between the 22nd and 23rd pulses the interval is 40ms, and between the 23rd and 24th pulse is less than 1ms. (Max says the delay is 0ms between these, since it resolves to 1ms.) That means these last two pulses in the beat are as close together as two midi commands can be. The echoplex apparently decides this situation of two clock pulses so close together and completely different from all the other pulses is nonsense, and doesn't count one of them. It counts the first pulse in the next beat as the 24th pulse. So it ends up thinking the beat is 1/24th of a beat longer than the Repeater thinks it is. This is why a 2 bar loop at 120BPM shows as 4.1 seconds long on the EDP instead of 4.0 seconds. I tried the midi clock outputs from some other devices into my max patch to get some comparison data and they did not have any problem like this. All the pulses were evenly spaced as they should be. My guess is, this delayed pulse also why drum machines and sequencers synchronized to Repeater's midi clock out sound a little wobbly, even though they don't always get off so much like the echoplex does. Some notes probably get shifted around a little while it tries to sort the weird clock pulses out. hopefully electrix fixes this one quick, since it is really a drag. The only work around I can see here is either use something else for a midi clock to both Repeater and EDP, or slave the Repeater to the EDP midi clock out. hope this helps, kim At 07:27 AM 8/31/2001, muman wrote: >Hello all, >Sorry about repeating (repeating) my problem. I have a number of >excuses, but I won't bore you with any of them. > > > > > does Repeater actually generate MIDI clock out? I looked through the > > repeater feature lists and manual and saw mention of sync to midi > > clock in, but couldn't find anything about clock out. It's hard for me > > to imagine it doesn't do that, so I'm guessing I missed it? > >Yes, I'm getting stable clock out. 3 other Electrix components and >an emu sound module sync accurately. > > > Assuming it does, you should see the sync LED flashing on the EDP to > > indicate it is receiving clock. This is the decimal point on the lower > > right of the display. It should flash where the Echoplex thinks the > > beginning of the loop is. Are you seeing that? > >Yes, I'm seeing the flash. > > > once the echoplex has started receiving sync and the LED has flashed, > > pressing Record will put you into a waiting period. The display will > > show "ooo". It waits for the next startpoint to come along, at which > > point it automatically starts Recording. When you press Record again, > > it again shows the "ooo" and waits for the start point again, at which > > point it stops recording. Did it do that much? > >Yes, it also appears to correctly start the recording. > > > Then, assuming the EDP continues to receive a good midi clock it will > > continue to sync to it by aligning it's start point with the midi > > clock. You can tell when it actually adjusts itself, because two > > decimal points will flash. > >Here is where I run into a problem. >I just created an empty loop on the EDP of 4.1 (Repeater = >120BPM, 2 measures). The loop actually started on the 2nd >measure 2nd beat, than drifts one half beat every cycle. > > > If the incoming midi clock tempo stays within a reasonable window, the > > echoplex will continue to sync to it. This is to handle drift between > > machines. (I forget the size of the window exactly, somewhere around > > +/- 5BPM). If the clock changes by more than that, the Echoplex > > assumes you intend for things to go out of sync and stops trying to > > sync itself to the source. With Repeater you can change loop tempo a > > lot, which I assume would change the midi clock out tempo too? If you > > are doing that and Repeater is the clock master, you will get mixed > > results with other devices. Some things will follow it and some won't. > >During the sync process, I am not changing the Repeater loop >tempo. > > > also, are you using the current software for the Echoplex, > > LoopIIIv5.0? That made a lot of improvements for midi sync. Most > > importantly, it allowed the echoplex to continue keeping itself in > > sync after the initial loop was recorded. The older software just > > sync'd the initial loop and then ran free, which tended to have > > problems with drift. > >I am using Loop 3, v5.0 > >Thank you for your help. >Louis Hesselt-van-Dinter ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 03:54:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA31564; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 03:31:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 03:31:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: a prayer Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 00:16:58 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <1QOYsC.A.-kH.mvwn7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I certainly respect everyone's right to their own opinion. Here's mine: - There *is* such a thing as right and wrong. - Let there be no mistake that, today, wrong was done in a really big way. In fact, it seems probable that the death toll will exceed that of Pearl Harbor, but these casualties at the World Trade Center (where most casualties are) are defenseless citizens, not even military personnel. - Moreover, certain people intentionally caused this harm to happen. - This is not right, in and of itself. Is there anyone on this list that disagrees with this??? If not, then talking about what evils America has perpetuated or been a part of is off-topic. In my view, there *is* such a thing as right and wrong. And this is very, very wrong. My conclusion? - We need to be quite precise in determining those individuals (or governments) who participated in this or supported it. I can't condone murder no matter who commits it. - But once we've made that determination, it's time to take care of bizness and kick some ass. Specifically, we need to eliminate these very bad people. I realize they are ready to die for their cause, and I strongly believe we should hasten their union with their maker. As soon as we can reasonably determine blame, we should "execute" in response. Am I being very clear here? I want to be *very* clear. Kevin A Proud American (and not afraid to say so) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 04:03:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA31906; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 03:40:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 03:40:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010912002211.00af3080@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 00:23:38 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: a prayer In-Reply-To: <20010912054249.32753.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200109120347.f8C3l2914596@servidor.unam.mx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:42 PM 9/11/2001, John Tidwell wrote: >--- Andy Soto wrote: > > > Somebody has to tell this: > >And someone has to respond. no, you don't. take it off the list! this is not the place for this kind of discussion. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 04:22:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA32716; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 03:58:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 03:58:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010912002211.00af3080@loopers-delight.com> References: <200109120347.f8C3l2914596@servidor.unam.mx> <5.1.0.14.2.20010912002211.00af3080@loopers-delight.com> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 03:43:47 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: Re: a prayer Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com they flew fucking jet liners into skyscrapers.... all bets are off... if you want to discuss, rant, rave, argue, or whatever about this on this list i can tell you i personally will not have a problem with this. maybe others will so be sensitive to that. plexus >At 10:42 PM 9/11/2001, John Tidwell wrote: >>--- Andy Soto wrote: >> >>> Somebody has to tell this: >> >>And someone has to respond. > >no, you don't. take it off the list! this is not the place for this >kind of discussion. > >kim > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 04:40:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA02062; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 04:16:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 04:16:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010912080118.7964.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 01:01:18 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: a prayer-Kim To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010912002211.00af3080@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com But Daddy, he started it! If you had come down on the topic earlier, I would not have added to it (well, probably not). John --- Kim Flint wrote: > At 10:42 PM 9/11/2001, John Tidwell wrote: > >--- Andy Soto wrote: > > > > > Somebody has to tell this: > > > >And someone has to respond. > > no, you don't. take it off the list! this is not the > place for this kind of > discussion. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | > http://www.loopers-delight.com > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 04:53:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA02499; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 04:30:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 04:30:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: Repeater Synch Workaround. Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 01:19:38 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3B9F0147.9BEC81A6@zerocrossing.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <21lQM.A.Sf.Imxn7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think the actual beginning and end points of the WAV file are a direct function of when record is pressed (which would explain variations in length). But the track length is also a function of LPA which incorporates the selected or sync'd tempo to calculate trim points which blend the start and stop points into a more 'musical/user-friendly loop'. As soon as the recording is ended, the playback that we hear is an altered WAV file - not the true WAV file length. It doesn't seem to be possible to listen to the actual non-LPA'd WAV on the Repeater, even when I tweak the trim and trim cut functions. It wasn't until I started messing around with the WAVs on my PC that I noticed how much different they sound than what I could monitor on the Repeater. There is a gap at the end of each WAV that breaks up the continuity of the loop when played back in ACID Xpress and n-Track. -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:32 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater Synch Workaround. Huh, that's really interesting. If the tracks are all the same length, and uncompressed .wav files, I wonder why they'd be different sizes. I'm going to take tomorrow off and give it a closer look myself. Mark Tim Goodwin wrote: > Nope. In fact, it's rare that they are the same size (at least in my > loops). Check them out yourself. I do know that you can get a WAV file to > play back within a loop if it is the same exact size as the WAV file it is > replacing (to the 1/100th of a second), but that doesn't mean that it has to > be the same size as the other files in the loop. Of course, the trim points > are off but I'm still racking my brains to figure out a work around for > imports & exports to work properly. I will post some of the data I have > collected later tonight (if I have the time). > > -- > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:13 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Repeater Synch Workaround. > > yeah, that pretty much explains it, as far as I understand it. Except that > all > four files that comprise a loop should be exactly the same length. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 04:53:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA02498; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 04:30:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 04:30:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01f001c13b63$4f24d6e0$1641f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200109120749.DAA32216@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: OT: a plea to the group Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 01:17:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <5LbHUB.A.Eg.Enxn7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Everybody, I don't know about the rest of you, but today was a very black day for the greater part of the world. I think that what is in order, since there is very little that any of us can do about these tragic events is to try our best to be compassionate, level headed, loving, concious, in touch with our emotions and to try to promote the thing that really brings us all together here on our wonderful little group: MUSIC. I would like to ask that we try our best not to be provoking of each other in the next few days.............there has been enough hatred for a long, long time to come. I've been, at times today: pissed off, sad, depressed, impotent and frustrated. A guy needlessly tailgated my wife and I this evening and I found myself really, really angry at him. I know looking back on it that this guy was just another unconcious human being and that my anger was out of proportion to his tailgating (we were, after all, only driving 25 miles an hour). Let's give the volatility a little rest and if you feel angry and impotent, let me suggest that you donate some blood to the thousands of people who desperately need it in New York City and Washington D.C. tonight. That would be a godsend. Bless you all, from whatever country, culture or political idiology that you come from Peace, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 05:00:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA02166; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 04:21:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 04:21:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: Syncing the EDP to the Repeater Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 01:07:20 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010911232339.025c3ec8@loopers-delight.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim, all I can say is that this is really useful, specific information... and that I hope Electrix sends you a check for doing their beta testing for them... I haven't done any MIDI syncing yet, but this should've been caught before release. Kevin > sorry for copying the mail below whole, but it was from a while ago so I > figured the context was needed again. I was concerned about this problem > quite a bit, and one of my reasons to get a repeater was just to figure > this one out. (how's that for dedication? :) > > Anyway, it is true that when you try to sync an Echoplex to the > Repeater's > midi clock out there will be problems. The Echoplex loop time ends up > slightly longer than the Repeater, and then shifts against the Repeater's > loop as they play together. I thought this was really weird, since I had > never seen anything like it with the EDP. > > I did some analysis of the Repeater's midi clock output, and sure enough > there is a subtle bug in the Repeater clock out. > > If you aren't familiar with how midi clock works, basically it uses the > ancient 24 pulses per quarter note method that dates back to the days of > analog synths. in midi though, the "pulses" are actually a particular > System Realtime byte. The clock generator sends 24 of these per > beat at the > given tempo. The clock pulses are normally spaced evenly in time so the > receiver can use whichever pulse it needs to time most any sort > of rhythm. > so the time interval between these clock pulses should be equal to 1/24th > of a beat. > > I made a little max patch that times the interval between midi > clock pulses > in milliseconds, and saves the data it collects into a text file. > With the > Repeater clock, I see the 23rd pulse of every beat is delayed by > an entire > interval. The 24th pulse then comes immediately after that, with no > interval at all. so the 23rd pulse is practically right on top of > it. So if > the tempo is 125 BPM, the usual interval between pulses is 20ms. Between > the 22nd and 23rd pulses the interval is 40ms, and between the 23rd and > 24th pulse is less than 1ms. (Max says the delay is 0ms between these, > since it resolves to 1ms.) That means these last two pulses in > the beat are > as close together as two midi commands can be. > > The echoplex apparently decides this situation of two clock > pulses so close > together and completely different from all the other pulses is nonsense, > and doesn't count one of them. It counts the first pulse in the next beat > as the 24th pulse. So it ends up thinking the beat is 1/24th of a beat > longer than the Repeater thinks it is. This is why a 2 bar loop at 120BPM > shows as 4.1 seconds long on the EDP instead of 4.0 seconds. > > I tried the midi clock outputs from some other devices into my > max patch to > get some comparison data and they did not have any problem like this. All > the pulses were evenly spaced as they should be. > > My guess is, this delayed pulse also why drum machines and sequencers > synchronized to Repeater's midi clock out sound a little wobbly, even > though they don't always get off so much like the echoplex does. > Some notes > probably get shifted around a little while it tries to sort the > weird clock > pulses out. > > hopefully electrix fixes this one quick, since it is really a drag. The > only work around I can see here is either use something else for a midi > clock to both Repeater and EDP, or slave the Repeater to the EDP > midi clock > out. > > hope this helps, > kim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 05:08:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA02883; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 04:41:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 04:41:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9F1C77.8C173358@pathcom.com> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 04:27:36 -0400 From: hutton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater: Persistent Problems with Sync (going out to buy an echoplex) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It is in their best interest to listen to us........ We are the Beta Testers! Brett Maraldo wrote: > >So I've noticed the Electrix people have become silent all of the sudden. > >Hello? Is this thing on? Is this something that can be fixed via software, > >or should I give up? I've got an itchy looping finger, and I'll jump ship > >faster than you can say, "Sorry Kim Flint." > > First of all, Electrix is doing us a BIG favour corresponding with us > so don't take that for granted or they might very well f*ck off like > every other manufacturer. Can you imagine Roland or Yamaha > interacting as much as Electrix have been? NOT! > > I am sure Electrix is on it. They have pinned their whole business on > the Repeater. Bad move I think but hey - go for it! They have also > agreed that the midi sync thing is a problem - they identified a bug > (again, can you imagine any other manufacturer admitting to a bug in > their product a couple weeks after it was released? NOT!). > > So chill out. The Repeater is pretty cool as it is and when Electrix > can make it better with an new OS they will. > > plexus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 05:14:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA03092; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 04:51:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 04:51:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Syncing the EDP to the Repeater Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:35:35 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.2.20010911232339.025c3ec8@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > hopefully electrix fixes this one quick, since it is really a drag. The > only work around I can see here is either use something else for a midi > clock to both Repeater and EDP, or slave the Repeater to the EDP > midi clock > out. > > hope this helps, > kim Thanks a lot for that, Kim. Your research efforts will save me a lot of head ace. I'm not sure I would have figured that out on my own. And I have couple of days to get into the Repeater and write a test review of it. Funny thing was the Repeater deliverance rang the door bell as I was reading your report :) Regards Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 05:52:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA05565; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 05:29:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 05:29:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP sync/xp80 to repeater AKA whoa i feel st00pid Message-ID: <1000286104.3b9f279852fa1@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 05:15:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Williamson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 216.166.195.90 Resent-Message-ID: <2ADCV.A.FQB.oeyn7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com when i owned my 'Plexen, MIDI sync out of my Roland XP-80 was dodgy in a similar way, and i got that ".1" issue. using beat sync with the beat clock out of the XP worked great, so i used that instead. maybe the XP-80 had not only a defective floppy controller but a shitty timecode scheme. i feel guilty for thinking it was a problem with the 'Plexen now. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 05:56:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA05642; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 05:33:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 05:33:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <90.19b6609b.28d082ab@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 05:19:39 EDT Subject: Re: REPEATER wish list To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 9/12/01 2:43:45 AM, robert_deveaux@yahoo.com writes: << I want to use the guitar to record bass lines without spinning & spinning & spinning the pitch dial on the repeater. >> Pre arm the track to record at an octave down, record with slider volume off, bring bass line up into mix. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 05:57:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA05679; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 05:35:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 05:35:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: a prayer-Kim Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 02:21:00 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 In-Reply-To: <20010912080118.7964.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com my thoughts exactly, john. i would have preferred not to see this topic come up... it's bound to be divisive and we're all trying to deal with our aroused feelings as best we can anyway. however, the time to nip it in the bud was when it first started. it hasn't come up on the other mailing lists i'm on (and i haven't started it either). to go after someone who merely responds to an earlier post is not fair. mark sottilaro even got in not one, not two, but three frickin' posts on the tragedy before he chimed in that it was best to get back on the music topic. talk about a double standard... i liked rick's post. logical and reasoned, as they usually are. believe it or not, i'm not trying to provoke anybody. but i didn't start this thread either; i'm reacting to it. i'm proud to be an American, but it's hard to take shit from folks who simply have *no concept* of the real pain and loss of life that just occurred. kevin > -----Original Message----- > From: John Tidwell [mailto:wedgehed@yahoo.com] > > > But Daddy, he started it! > > > > If you had come down on the topic earlier, I would > not have added to it (well, probably not). > > > John > > > --- Kim Flint wrote: > > At 10:42 PM 9/11/2001, John Tidwell wrote: > > >--- Andy Soto wrote: > > > > > > > Somebody has to tell this: > > > > > >And someone has to respond. > > > > no, you don't. take it off the list! this is not the > > place for this kind of > > discussion. > > > > kim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 06:01:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA05758; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 05:38:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 05:38:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9F29EA.CB8C9625@pathcom.com> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 05:24:58 -0400 From: hutton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - 9-11-01 -- looping prayers References: <7c.1b632bb6.28cfa3f7@aol.com> <005e01c13b0e$09b321c0$e5456f40@oemcomputer> <3B9E9454.C245AFA6@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, I am a Canadian ...... I spent Tuesday viewing CNN from the very beginning ........ People here are stunned and emotionally affected. I have spent long periods of time (working as a sound designer) in New York. I find New Yorkers to be the most friendly in nature that I have met in my travels. The calm and order amidst the destructive sea of insanity was indeed a marvel to wittiness and a true lesson for all of us in the future. In my view they did not respond as a Terrorized people. To apologize for your President is one thing, but to be embarrassed as a US citizen is different ..... You should be proud. ........... My heart goes out to all who have suffered in the Home of the Brave. How in the hell did you end up with such an asshole as President ........ This guy is not on the same page as to what is happening on the world stage! Chris Hutton Toronto Canada Mark Sottilaro wrote: > When I was 5 I watched the World Trade Center go up, from my house in > NJ. I was very excited to be witnessing the construction of the tallest > building in the world. It was the future. My family went to visit it > as soon as it was up and running. I can't believe this happend. I > wept. > > To all on the list from other countries, I openly apologize for our > current president. I'm embarrassed to be a US citizen. Maybe I should > move to Canada. Any Canadians on the list? > > Mark Sottilaro > > petr wrote: > > > There is a fascinating way we loopers can contribute to this tragedy > > today... How about making a loop of your prayer/meditation/whatever > > you practice and let it run in your looper of your choice? Gear > > junkies, who own several loopers, can even do simultaneous multiple > > loops! > > > > This can be an interesting and helpful in adding some positive energy > > to the workld's morphogenetic fields... > > > > petr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 06:14:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA06093; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 05:51:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 05:51:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9F2D38.74501951@pathcom.com> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 05:39:04 -0400 From: hutton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Electrix No More? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You just did start a rumour !..... do not believe every thing you hear ....... Do you really believe Damon should respond to you paranoia? Brett Maraldo wrote: > I don't want to start a rumour, but i heard that Electrix is in > financial trouble. when i think about it, it does seem strange to > unload all their products and put all their eggs in one basket. > > Damon, can you give us some sense of whats going on over there and > hopefully squash this rumour? > > thanks > plexus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 06:37:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA07891; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 06:12:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 06:12:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010912015445.025b6848@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 02:55:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Repeater: Persistent Problems with Sync In-Reply-To: <00b201c13a36$6a08a140$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010910144930.04d2ebe8@pop1.sympatico.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:23 PM 9/10/2001, you wrote: >so much for that theory... > >kim, you said repeater always sends midi clock. >does it do this even if it is set to synch to midi? ok, I checked this further. Yes Repeater always sends midi clock out it's output even when it is in Midi Sync mode, where you would expect it only receives midi clock. In Midi Sync mode the clock it sends out is not a direct pass-through of the input clock either. It is related to Repeater's tempo. I was curious what happens then when you change tempos. The repeater tempo doesn't directly follow the input clock, ramps at it's own rate to the new tempo. So if you make a radical tempo jump on your midi clock master, Repeater will ramp there and can take quite a bit longer to reach the new tempo, especially if you are slowing down. since tempos of repeater and other devices are different during this ramp, they end up completely out of sync when repeater finally settles to the new tempo. So that's not real useful. The repeater midi clock output during this tempo change ramps with the repeater's tempo. Or at least, that's what it seems like they wanted it to do. Actually it jumps all over the place while repeater is ramping in tempo, so my drum sequence sounds like a drummer that just got hit with a beer bottle during this time. It's kinda nuts. when Repeater finally settles on the tempo, the clock straightens out to a regular pulse (except the 23rd one :-). of course, now the midi device after the repeater is slipped in time from the device before the repeater, so you will have to restart everything to line it up again. I guess this is why I saw a number of instances on the electrix forum where they were recommending to use midi thru for devices down stream of Repeater. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 06:39:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA08103; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 06:15:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 06:15:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010912023502.00ad36d0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 02:58:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: a prayer-Kim In-Reply-To: <20010912080118.7964.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010912002211.00af3080@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:01 AM 9/12/2001, John Tidwell wrote: >But Daddy, he started it! > > > >If you had come down on the topic earlier, I would >not have added to it (well, probably not). I'm not the hall monitor. You shouldn't require me to determine when self-restraint is appropriate. that is your job. Let's leave this as a place for music. The world could use some more. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 06:43:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA08207; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 06:19:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 06:19:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:08:20 +0100 Subject: separate list needed? From: roberto To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear all May I suggest that if many of us wish to continue the discussion following yesterday's unspeakable atrocity we open a separate list? It is an important subject but I don't think Looper's delight is the appropriate place for it, I don't know if others agree. In some of the recent messages on the subject I can already see some worrying signs of intolerance and short-sighted blame arising. Please, let's not be blinded by the events and reproduce on a smaller scale the same roots of evil, this group can do better than that! If even a group of seemingly intelligent and open minded people like those on this list can't discuss without accusing each other, what hopes can we have to live in a better world in the future? Sadly we can't do anything for those who lost their lives yesterday and little we can do to save the lives of those who will inevitably (I wish to be proved wrong on this point) suffer the consequences, some of whom will equally be innocent civilians. What we can do is try to understand and do the little we can to contribute to a better world. Pointing the finger to Communists or Fascists, Americans or Russians, Islam or Judaism will do nothing but perpetuate a perverse system. If we could distance ourselves for a moment from the cruelty of the event and from our individual cultural background we should be able to see the picture of a greater design, of historical events that brought us to this point. No one is totally innocent, no one started it all. It is a mechanism that evolved in the centuries, it is based on some inherent human characteristics, there are plenty of reasons to explain (not justify) and connect events, plenty of models to illustrate it. Also, and more importantly, there are alternative ways, there would be a chance to live differently and better. We need to understand first and then act. Roberto ______________________________________________ Roberto Battista http://www.robat.scl.net http://www.robat.scl.net/lectures/index.shtm Tel. 0044 020 8449 1995 Mobile 0775 960 4344 ______________________________________________ http://www.rustyrobot.com independent on-line music distribution, the music you can't find elsewhere, hybrid, eclectic, world, looped, unusual... ______________________________________________ http://www.robat.scl.net/html/tibet/tibet.shtm an exciting project on technology applied to mobile education for developing countries and remote locations... ______________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 07:27:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA10619; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 07:02:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 07:02:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ideastudio1@mail.galactica.it Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 12:45:56 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: bruno kleinefeld Subject: Re: separate list needed? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1211830934==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1211830934==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Roberto. grazie per il tuo intervento lucido. I agree totally with you. but it's also important to take part of things, as human beings and as musicians. I was in a way expecting to read something today on the list: i would have been very disappointed if nobody would have say something on such a horrible thing that is devastating so many lives and it's going to affect oll of us in ways we're not yet able to determinate But any discussion must follow the line of respect. I think we have a task that we can't fail: we, as a small group, must give the example and demonstrate that a pacific, tollerant and rational discussion is possibile. In the list, if we want, or in any other place of our world. >Dear all > >May I suggest that if many of us wish to continue the discussion following >yesterday's unspeakable atrocity we open a separate list? >It is an important subject but I don't think Looper's delight is the >appropriate place for it, I don't know if others agree. > >In some of the recent messages on the subject I can already see some >worrying signs of intolerance and short-sighted blame arising. Please, let's >not be blinded by the events and reproduce on a smaller scale the same roots >of evil, this group can do better than that! >If even a group of seemingly intelligent and open minded people like those >on this list can't discuss without accusing each other, what hopes can we >have to live in a better world in the future? > >Sadly we can't do anything for those who lost their lives yesterday and >little we can do to save the lives of those who will inevitably (I wish to >be proved wrong on this point) suffer the consequences, some of whom will >equally be innocent civilians. > >What we can do is try to understand and do the little we can to contribute >to a better world. > >Pointing the finger to Communists or Fascists, Americans or Russians, Islam >or Judaism will do nothing but perpetuate a perverse system. >If we could distance ourselves for a moment from the cruelty of the event >and from our individual cultural background we should be able to see the >picture of a greater design, of historical events that brought us to this >point. No one is totally innocent, no one started it all. It is a mechanism >that evolved in the centuries, it is based on some inherent human >characteristics, there are plenty of reasons to explain (not justify) and >connect events, plenty of models to illustrate it. >Also, and more importantly, there are alternative ways, there would be a >chance to live differently and better. >We need to understand first and then act. > >Roberto > > >______________________________________________ >Roberto Battista >http://www.robat.scl.net >http://www.robat.scl.net/lectures/index.shtm >Tel. 0044 020 8449 1995 >Mobile 0775 960 4344 >______________________________________________ >http://www.rustyrobot.com >independent on-line music distribution, >the music you can't find elsewhere, >hybrid, eclectic, world, looped, unusual... >______________________________________________ >http://www.robat.scl.net/html/tibet/tibet.shtm >an exciting project on technology applied to >mobile education for developing countries and >remote locations... >______________________________________________ --============_-1211830934==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: separate list needed?
Roberto.
grazie per il tuo intervento lucido.

I agree totally with you.

but it's also important to take part
of things, as human beings and as musicians.

I was in a way expecting to read something today
on the list: i would have been very disappointed
if nobody would have say something
on such a horrible thing that is devastating
so many lives and it's going to affect oll of us
in ways we're not yet able to determinate

But any discussion must follow the line of respect.
I think we have a task that we can't fail:
we, as a small group, must give the example
and demonstrate that a pacific, tollerant
and rational discussion is possibile.
In the list, if we want, or in any other place
of our world.






Dear all

May I suggest that if many of us wish to continue the discussion following
yesterday's unspeakable atrocity we open a separate list?
It is an important subject but I don't think Looper's delight is the
appropriate place for it, I don't know if others agree.

In some of the recent messages on the subject I can already see some
worrying signs of intolerance and short-sighted blame arising. Please, let's
not be blinded by the events and reproduce on a smaller scale the same roots
of evil, this group can do better than that!
If even a group of seemingly intelligent and open minded people like those
on this list can't discuss without accusing each other, what hopes can we
have to live in a better world in the future?

Sadly we can't do anything for those who lost their lives yesterday and
little we can do to save the lives of those who will inevitably (I wish to
be proved wrong on this point) suffer the consequences, some of whom will
equally be innocent civilians.

What we can do is try to understand and do the little we can to contribute
to a better world.

Pointing the finger to Communists or Fascists, Americans or Russians, Islam
or Judaism will do nothing but perpetuate a perverse system.
If we could distance ourselves for a moment from the cruelty of the event
and from our individual cultural background we should be able to see the
picture of a greater design, of historical events that brought us to this
point. No one is totally innocent, no one started it all. It is a mechanism
that evolved in the centuries, it is based on some inherent human
characteristics, there are plenty of reasons to explain (not justify) and
connect events, plenty of models to illustrate it.
Also, and more importantly, there are alternative ways, there would be a
chance to live differently and better.
We need to understand first and then act.

Roberto


______________________________________________
Roberto Battista
http://www.robat.scl.net
http://www.robat.scl.net/lectures/index.shtm
Tel. 0044 020 8449 1995
Mobile 0775 960 4344
______________________________________________
http://www.rustyrobot.com
independent on-line music distribution,
the music you can't find elsewhere,
hybrid, eclectic, world, looped, unusual...
______________________________________________
http://www.robat.scl.net/html/tibet/tibet.shtm
an exciting project on technology applied to
mobile education for developing countries and
remote locations...
______________________________________________

--============_-1211830934==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 07:29:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA10699; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 07:06:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 07:06:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: Importing & Exporting Repeater WAVs Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 03:54:24 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I eventually want to compose loops in ACID and import them onto tracks in Repeater to use in live applications. I would also like to dump my Repeater loops onto my PC and add them to a loop library. But this is much easier imagined than done (especially when I am new to both ACID and Repeater!) First, I tried to export files from my Repeater to my PC. Once I got my CFC reader/writer installed it was no problem at all - just drag and drop. But the first thing I noticed was a discrepancy between Repeater's loop lengths and ACID's calculation of the loop length. They are way off and I can't seem to find a pattern that explains the discrepancy. I included some numbers to see if one of you brainiacs can figure it out. Also, when I play Repeater WAVs in ACID (as well as n-Track) there is space at the end of the loop that makes it basically unusable. This is sometimes accompanied by a 'click' sound that is definitely not very musical. Of course, I could edit the file to make it sound like a seamless loop, but then I would end up with a file that is no longer the same size as the original - which prevents, as you may know, Repeater from being able read the file. So if want to be able to use a loop on Repeater again, I better not touch it. But if I want to be able to use it in ACID, I have to edit it. I wrote down the info that Repeater displays about a loop and compared it to how ACID and n-Track view the WAV files that comprise the loop. Like I mentioned, there is a big difference. Here are the Repeater stats for the first 10 loops on my CFC card. All bpm's are native tempos. Please keep in mind that I used loop multiply and resample on some tracks, but that doesn't explain the discontinuity. Repeater Loop/Track Stats Folder #bars time sig bpm #tracks LOOP1 32 4/4 93.0 4 LOOP2 4 3/4 90.3 4 LOOP3 2 4/4 131.0 1 LOOP4 8 4/4 69.8 2 LOOP5 2 3/4 88.6 2 LOOP6 1 7/8 94.7 2 LOOP7 4 3/4 84.0 3 LOOP8 4 4/4 107.0 1 LOOP9 4 4/4 119.9 1 LOOP10 5 2/4 161.0 4 And here are the WAV's as I saw them on my computer: WAV General WAV info ACID analysis of WAV (loop#.track#) length size beats bpm 1.1 00:06:04 527k 8 78.3 1.2 01:22:25 7135k ? ? 1.3 01:22:25 7135k ? ? 1.4 01:22:25 7135k ? ? 2.1 00:05:00 431k 8 95.7 2.2 00:04:08 367k 8 112.4 2.3 00:08:05 703k 16 117.5 2.4 00:08:05 703k 16 117.5 3.1 00:04:19 399k 8 103.4 4.1 00:07:24 671k 16 123.1 4.2 00:27:26 2399k 64 137.8 5.1 00:05:00 431k 8 95.7 5.2 00:04:08 367k 8 112.4 6.1 00:05:12 463k 8 89.1 6.2 00:04:19 399k 8 103.4 7.1 00:04:19 399k 8 103.4 7.2 00:05:06 447k 8 92.3 7.3 00:04:25 415k 8 99.4 8.3 00:10:01 863k 16 95.7 9.1 00:08:27 767k 16 107.7 9.2 00:08:27 767k 16 107.7 10.1 00:03:27 335k 8 123.1 10.2 00:04:19 399k 8 103.4 10.3 00:04:03 351k 8 117.5 10.4 00:04:03 351k 8 117.5 I noticed that a couple of WAVs were actually the same exact size/length as a WAV in another loop. Ah! My lucky break. I could test WAV 'imports' that were not only the same file size, but they were generated on Repeater itself. First I simply copied and pasted the same WAV and renamed it with another track number. For instance, in LOOP3 I copied TRACK1.wav and renamed the copy TRACK2.wav. This didn't work. I assume that's because the new track had no track info file. Then I resampled track 1 to track 2. This gave me two tracks of the same size and two Repeater generated info files to match each track. I took the CFC out and connected it to my PC. Then I copied TRACK1.wav from LOOP7 (which is exactly the same size), renamed it TRACK2.wav and dropped it into the LOOP3 folder. Bingo. It played back without any alteration in pitch and generally sounded like the same audio sample. But it still didn't line up properly. I can only attribute this to the fact that I was still using the info file that was created for LOOP3. According to Repeater, LOOP3 is 2 bars of 4/4 @ 131bpm and LOOP7 is 4 bars of 3/4 @ 84bpm. So even though ACID saw both files as the same length, number of beats and bpm, Repeater saw a difference. And the difference that was distinguished by Repeater affected the LPA trim points which affected the way the WAV played back. Also, tracks 3 and 4 of loop 10 are resamples of track 1 and 2, respectively, but they are a different size than either of the originals. Weird. Even weirder is that they are the *same* size, even though the originals were different. Very weird. Perhaps resamples are new recordings of the original LPA'd audio files (i.e. they are the same size because both originals are bound to the trim points of the loop during playback). But then why does track 1 sound the same as the track 3 resample on the Repeater? And why do both files share the same awkward hesitation in ACID? That's downright super freaky weird. So my questions remain: Is there a way to edit the proprietary files in the loop folders to handle imported WAVs? Is there a way to create these files to accompany ACID loops for import into Repeater? Is there a way to alter the WAV file on Repeater so that the start and end points of the loop are the same as the start and endpoints of the WAV? This would allow for accurate playback on my PC without having to change the file. Is it possible to 'Repeaterize' ACIDized WAVs for play back on a Repeater? I'm also wondering if there is a looping program that lets you specify the *exact* file size to 1/100th of a second? Does ACID Pro do this? Anywho, I'm tired and need to sleep. I'm still buzzing from the events in New York and DC. However, I think I'm finally exhausted enough to go lie down. I hope this info can be of use to someone. That's why I posted it. I am actually more confused than anything (which is probably obvious to the discriminating reader). But my efforts are sincere. :) -- Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 08:11:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA11969; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 07:48:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 07:48:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010912113350.72175.qmail@web20701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 04:33:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Deveaux Subject: Re: REPEATER wish list To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <90.19b6609b.28d082ab@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To "prearm" the track: don't I have to spin & spin & spin the dial? --- PMimlitsch@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 9/12/01 2:43:45 AM, > robert_deveaux@yahoo.com writes: > > << I want to use > the guitar to record bass lines without > spinning > & spinning & spinning the pitch dial on the > repeater. >> > > Pre arm the track to record at an octave down, > record with slider volume off, > bring bass line up into mix. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 09:05:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA16515; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 08:42:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 08:42:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ea01c13b85$9fff4380$04f9fea9@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010910144930.04d2ebe8@pop1.sympatico.ca> <5.1.0.14.2.20010912015445.025b6848@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Repeater: Persistent Problems with Sync Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 08:22:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oooo! I was looking for ways to introduce spontaneous random rhythmic variances (I was actually just thinking of performing on banana peels, but I lose them all the time). That one might be interesting with the proper material. Have to try that when I actually feel like using the Repeater I just got. I'm going to name it the Love Repeater, and keep on keeping on. Love, Mike P.S. I can see someone adding "Vintage fucked up Repeater MIDI snych mode" to one of their pedals in the future. P.P.S Thanks Kim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 5:55 AM Subject: Re: Repeater: Persistent Problems with Sync > At 01:23 PM 9/10/2001, you wrote: > >so much for that theory... > > > >kim, you said repeater always sends midi clock. > >does it do this even if it is set to synch to midi? > > ok, I checked this further. Yes Repeater always sends midi clock out it's > output even when it is in Midi Sync mode, where you would expect it only > receives midi clock. In Midi Sync mode the clock it sends out is not a > direct pass-through of the input clock either. It is related to Repeater's > tempo. > > I was curious what happens then when you change tempos. The repeater tempo > doesn't directly follow the input clock, ramps at it's own rate to the new > tempo. So if you make a radical tempo jump on your midi clock master, > Repeater will ramp there and can take quite a bit longer to reach the new > tempo, especially if you are slowing down. since tempos of repeater and > other devices are different during this ramp, they end up completely out of > sync when repeater finally settles to the new tempo. So that's not real > useful. > > The repeater midi clock output during this tempo change ramps with the > repeater's tempo. Or at least, that's what it seems like they wanted it to > do. Actually it jumps all over the place while repeater is ramping in > tempo, so my drum sequence sounds like a drummer that just got hit with a > beer bottle during this time. It's kinda nuts. when Repeater finally > settles on the tempo, the clock straightens out to a regular pulse (except > the 23rd one :-). of course, now the midi device after the repeater is > slipped in time from the device before the repeater, so you will have to > restart everything to line it up again. > > I guess this is why I saw a number of instances on the electrix forum where > they were recommending to use midi thru for devices down stream of > Repeater. :-) > > kim > > > > ________________________________________________________________ ______ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 10:01:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA20003; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 09:38:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 09:38:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Repeater: Persistent Problems with Sync Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 08:21:19 -0500 Message-ID: <001c01c13b8d$cf5360a0$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010912015445.025b6848@loopers-delight.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So does Midi Thru not pass any midi clock information? How than can I connect several devices in series so that they each receive their respective patch changes (on different channels) and midi clock is effectively communicated? Should I go to the first device then from midi out to the second device, then from midi out to the third device (Repeater) then from Midi thru to whatever? Thanks, Steve > I guess this is why I saw a number of instances on the > electrix forum where > they were recommending to use midi thru for devices down stream of > Repeater. :-) > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 10:25:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22139; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 10:02:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 10:02:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 09:52:48 -0400 Subject: temporary moderator? From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000e01c13a23$f08997a0$ebb41597@z3v3u4> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com kim, would you please consider TEMPORARILY moderating the list? in these difficult times, i ( and others, perhaps) am toubled by all these emotional ( and sometimes reactionary) responses. it is understandable, but frustrating... and i do wonder if the reason that these folks are not using a different list is the desire for an audience.. which perhaps the looping list should not provide. it doesn't seem to be contributing to the overall well-being of anyone. just a thought. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 10:59:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23881; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 10:34:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 10:34:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: What is Electrix's intention for Repeater? Was RE: Repeater: Persistent Problems with Sync Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 09:17:20 -0500 Message-ID: <002901c13b95$a29600b0$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Damon, I am glad that Electrix has identified and determined to correct the midi sync problem. Can you now tell me what Electrix plans to do about the problem with how loops are ended in the recording process so that no gaps or bumps that are audible, will occur? Right now, unless you are either willing to prime the unit with a blank loop (of unknown size) or you are creating sounds that will always allow for the inclusion of these types of artifacts (bumps and gaps) such as percussive or rhythmic patterns (oh that's right you can't do that either with the midi sync problem), the ability to lay down unblemished sound, in a live gig setting, is impossible with the Repeater. It would be helpful if Electrix would make a formal announcement of some sort to correctly identify what the ultimate purpose of Repeater is? If there is no intention of it to provide this type of functionality for live use, and if it is actually designed and targeted to a different audience, then that would be helpful information to have. There is nothing wrong with developing a product for a specific purpose and I am not sure I have ever seen a single device that is able to accomplish absolutely everything. It would just be helpful to have this understanding before buying into a product. Sure there is the expensive of buying a unit such as this, but the real cost is the time that it takes to determine if it can actually fit into what is needed and the time to learn how to use it effectively once the decision has been made to use it. Regards, Steve Ginn > > > Yes there are some issues with MIDI sync. This is mostly > related to MIDI loop recording quantization. Our forum in our > website has more information on this subject. Without going > into extensive detail, we have pinpointed most of the > problems reported. The good news is they are software related > and are all being addressed for the next OS release. It will > be available soon and for free from our website. You will > need a CFC reader and a working CFC card to load the > software. As soon as it's available we will post the list > > > Respect, > > Damon Langlois > Creative Director > Electrix > Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 11:37:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30812; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:13:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:13:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 10:03:07 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Repeater Synch Workaround. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005d01c13b9c$07d808a0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com are you guys trimming the wav. i don't have the manual in front of me, but i think you hold the trim button for ~1 second. this trims the wav files according to the loop start and end points... > As soon as the recording is ended, the playback that we hear is an altered > WAV file - not the true WAV file length. It doesn't seem to be possible to > listen to the actual non-LPA'd WAV on the Repeater, even when I tweak the > trim and trim cut functions. It wasn't until I started messing around with > the WAVs on my PC that I noticed how much different they sound than what I > could monitor on the Repeater. There is a gap at the end of each WAV that > breaks up the continuity of the loop when played back in ACID Xpress and > n-Track. > > -- > Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 11:43:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31404; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:19:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:19:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 10:09:13 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Repeater: Persistent Problems with Sync To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <007801c13b9c$e1e4f4e0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <001c01c13b8d$cf5360a0$6501a8c0@stevespc> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i think kim was saying the (external) midi clock passes properly through the repeater if you use midi thru and doesn't if you use midi out... > So does Midi Thru not pass any midi clock information? How than can I > connect several devices in series so that they each receive their > respective patch changes (on different channels) and midi clock is > effectively communicated? Should I go to the first device then from > midi out to the second device, then from midi out to the third device > (Repeater) then from Midi thru to whatever? > > Thanks, > Steve > > > > I guess this is why I saw a number of instances on the > > electrix forum where > > they were recommending to use midi thru for devices down stream of > > Repeater. :-) > > > > kim > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 11:50:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31983; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:27:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:27:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 10:16:54 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: pads/repeater/sync/bitching/blahblah To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00a501c13b9d$f4d21f00$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: <72YThD.A.nnH.av3n7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com there are a lot of decaffeinated brands on the market that are just as tasty as the real thing... > > UNGLAUBLICHE frustrating. > > maybe the Line6 rack dealie will be right for me. > > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 11:54:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32281; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:30:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:30:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3B9F2D38.74501951@pathcom.com> References: <3B9F2D38.74501951@pathcom.com> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:17:07 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: Re: Electrix No More? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <9MSVkC.A.0pH.ay3n7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com oh, you're right, i did! ok, sorry about that. never mind. plexus >You just did start a rumour !..... do not believe every thing you hear >....... Do you really believe Damon should respond to you paranoia? > >Brett Maraldo wrote: > >> I don't want to start a rumour, but i heard that Electrix is in >> financial trouble. when i think about it, it does seem strange to >> unload all their products and put all their eggs in one basket. >> >> Damon, can you give us some sense of whats going on over there and >> hopefully squash this rumour? >> >> thanks >> plexus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 12:08:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01326; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:44:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:44:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 10:25:44 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200109121525.f8CFPi902254@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Andy Soto Subject: sorry Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA32070 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You´re absolutely right Kim, sorry everyone for my rant. Andy At 12:23 a.m. 12/09/01 -0700, you wrote: >At 10:42 PM 9/11/2001, John Tidwell wrote: >>--- Andy Soto wrote: >> >> > Somebody has to tell this: >> >>And someone has to respond. > >no, you don't. take it off the list! this is not the place for this kind of >discussion. > >kim > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 12:13:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01910; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:50:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:50:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:00:19 -0700 Subject: Re: OT - 9-11-01 -- looping prayers From: Kevin Goldsmith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005e01c13b0e$09b321c0$e5456f40@oemcomputer> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Or how about we all donate a pint of blood if we really want to help. I think that would be a lot more appreciated. Kevin On 9/11/01 3:06 PM, "petr" wrote: > There is a fascinating way we loopers can contribute to this tragedy > today... How about making a loop of your prayer/meditation/whatever > you practice and let it run in your looper of your choice? Gear > junkies, who own several loopers, can even do simultaneous multiple > loops! > > This can be an interesting and helpful in adding some positive energy > to the workld's morphogenetic fields... > > petr > > -- Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 12:27:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04685; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 12:03:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 12:03:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Repeater: Persistent Problems with Sync Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 10:49:38 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01c13ba2$87953d50$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <007801c13b9c$e1e4f4e0$080210ac@jpalmer> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com But what about the midi clock that Repeater continues to try and generate even if it is not the master clock? If you have another device in the setup that is providing the master clock for everything, it seems to me the best way to connect everything would be so that Repeater does not have any Out connection to anything else so its clock does not cause interference. I guess only external midi data appears at the midi thru port without any data from Repeater? Isn't this the case for any midi device? I also thought that Midi Clock was a global signal, unrelated to any specific midi channel. I wonder if this midi clock implementation is isolated to Repeater only, or is the same in all Electrix units such as MO-FX? I have seen posts from others on this list of difficulty in syncing other Electrix devices as well. If this is the case, I would imagine you would want to somehow isolate the data coming out of those units as well so as to establish a good reliable source of midi timing. Regards, Steve Ginn > > i think kim was saying the (external) midi clock passes > properly through > the repeater if you use midi thru and doesn't if you use midi out... > > > > So does Midi Thru not pass any midi clock information? How > than can I > > connect several devices in series so that they each receive their > > respective patch changes (on different channels) and midi clock is > > effectively communicated? Should I go to the first device > then from > > midi out to the second device, then from midi out to the > third device > > (Repeater) then from Midi thru to whatever? > > > > Thanks, > > Steve > > > > > > > I guess this is why I saw a number of instances on the > > > electrix forum where > > > they were recommending to use midi thru for devices down > stream of > > > Repeater. :-) > > > > > > kim > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 12:32:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05159; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 12:09:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 12:09:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: Midi Clock Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 10:52:24 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01c13ba2$ec7bc680$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Since the accuracy of Midi Clock/Timing seems very important for looping, is there a recommended piece of equipment and/or method to establish proper timing and tap tempo for a rig so that all delays, looping, effects, etc. are in sync? Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 13:28:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09604; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 13:05:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 13:05:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AALev123@aol.com Message-ID: <158.d75ede.28d0ecbc@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 12:52:12 EDT Subject: re: repeater, program change, DMC ground controller To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_158.d75ede.28d0ecbc_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: <1I6uJD.A.V6B.QL5n7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_158.d75ede.28d0ecbc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have the ground control and am trying to configure the thing =A0to operat= e=20 repeater. 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repeater? --part1_158.d75ede.28d0ecbc_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 13:33:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09910; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 13:10:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 13:10:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010912165353.31644.qmail@web20707.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 09:53:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Deveaux Subject: Re: REPEATER wish list-Kim To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010911225640.025c3ec8@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <1a6ACD.A.u7B.jM5n7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Repeater has them predetermined & programmed. eg: PC #7=TRACK 1 RECORD SELECT PC #5=LOOP SELECT UP That is my whole point. They are predefined. On the ART SGE (which is really old), you can go into the programming & set any PC# to = any midi controllable parameter. I would love to see that on the REPEATER. Then your midi controller (or ART X-15 footpedal) could have the most useful parameters (user defined) all in 1 bank. > KIM FLINT wrote: > Is the repeater actually able to save settings > like that? Robert Deveaux wrote: > >The repeater needs a programmable midi map. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 13:36:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10042; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 13:13:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 13:13:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9F94C3.FD93CE9A@club-internet.fr> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:00:52 +0200 From: Emmanuel PERILLE X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [fr] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater Synch Workaround. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim Goodwin wrote : > I think the actual beginning and end points of the WAV file are a direct > function of when record is pressed (which would explain variations in > length). But the track length is also a function of LPA which incorporates > the selected or sync'd tempo to calculate trim points which blend the start > and stop points into a more 'musical/user-friendly loop'. > > As soon as the recording is ended, the playback that we hear is an altered > WAV file - not the true WAV file length. It doesn't seem to be possible to > listen to the actual non-LPA'd WAV on the Repeater, even when I tweak the > trim and trim cut functions. It wasn't until I started messing around with > the WAVs on my PC that I noticed how much different they sound than what I > could monitor on the Repeater. There is a gap at the end of each WAV that > breaks up the continuity of the loop when played back in ACID Xpress and > n-Track. > > -- > Tim let's admit it's true for a first track once recorded, but what about the 3 other tracks then ? I mean do you know if start/end loop points of the 3 other tracks are trimmable like the first track once recorded ? Or do the start/end points or the 3 other tracks are definitively fixed according to the LPA ? Is it truely a quadriphonic loop, or a 4-independent loop track ? EP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 13:44:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10453; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 13:20:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 13:20:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9F96B9.8EA6ADAB@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 10:09:13 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater: Persistent Problems with Sync References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010910144930.04d2ebe8@pop1.sympatico.ca> <5.1.0.14.2.20010912015445.025b6848@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have tried the opposite, where the Repeater is set to chase the output clock of a drum machine, and it does work well. The Repeater time shifts your loop really well. It's an amazing effect. Anyway, my guess is that the reason there is a time lag is that the Repeater is too busy working on the time shift, which doesn't exactly chase the tempo if you do it too quickly. Anyway, that's a whole lot of processor time doing time shift, I would imagine getting a perfect midi out would be hard. The Repeater shouldn't try. If it's getting MIDI clock, why not just pass that clock out the thru? Mark Kim Flint wrote: > At 01:23 PM 9/10/2001, you wrote: > >so much for that theory... > > > >kim, you said repeater always sends midi clock. > >does it do this even if it is set to synch to midi? > > ok, I checked this further. Yes Repeater always sends midi clock out it's > output even when it is in Midi Sync mode, where you would expect it only > receives midi clock. In Midi Sync mode the clock it sends out is not a > direct pass-through of the input clock either. It is related to Repeater's > tempo. > > I was curious what happens then when you change tempos. The repeater tempo > doesn't directly follow the input clock, ramps at it's own rate to the new > tempo. So if you make a radical tempo jump on your midi clock master, > Repeater will ramp there and can take quite a bit longer to reach the new > tempo, especially if you are slowing down. since tempos of repeater and > other devices are different during this ramp, they end up completely out of > sync when repeater finally settles to the new tempo. So that's not real > useful. > > The repeater midi clock output during this tempo change ramps with the > repeater's tempo. Or at least, that's what it seems like they wanted it to > do. Actually it jumps all over the place while repeater is ramping in > tempo, so my drum sequence sounds like a drummer that just got hit with a > beer bottle during this time. It's kinda nuts. when Repeater finally > settles on the tempo, the clock straightens out to a regular pulse (except > the 23rd one :-). of course, now the midi device after the repeater is > slipped in time from the device before the repeater, so you will have to > restart everything to line it up again. > > I guess this is why I saw a number of instances on the electrix forum where > they were recommending to use midi thru for devices down stream of > Repeater. :-) > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 13:45:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10452; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 13:20:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 13:20:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 10:13:34 -0700 Subject: OT Re: Roland Wave Processor From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000201c1352f$472ab200$ec0613d5@chevalique> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9hZ7NB.A.kZC.xa5n7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here is what I would like (or think I would like): Per string fuzz into per string filter (e.g., something like the slow filter setting on the Line6 FM4). I'd like to have the filters for the strings offset based on the tuning relationship of the strings with the ability to sweep all of them using an expression pedal. I'm thinking in terms of a hexaphone Line6 DM4 followed by Line6 FM4 set up -- probably with some simplifications to each of the stages. Will the VG stuff do this? Will the VG do a decent Pat Metheny GR300 brass sound? Mark on 9/4/01 3:39 AM, Un chval at chwal@worldonline.fr wrote: >> As this is just a simplification of Rolands VG technology, any VG > users out >> there are inited to chime in... > > Hi. I use VG-8 for 4 years, if I may be of any help in what you want > to know... > The synth sounds in VG are very expressive, as it is processing of > your instruments signal, they react very well and instantly, they can > change over time with the changes of your strings tone, or with the > expression pedal, but they are basic synth engines. Soustractive, I > mean, TB303 type, PWM, double-filter, organic, crystal (must be FM I > think)... It's very attractive for a guitar player to use these kind > of sounds like the conventionnal distortion of an amp. Much more > effects. > > M'sieur Ch'val > > --- > Le rendez-vous des zamis des chevalx : http://tichoual.free.fr/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 14:22:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16429; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 13:58:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 13:58:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9F9F7F.5EFC53AE@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 10:46:38 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Importing & Exporting Repeater WAVs References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow, that's really extensive work. Thanks a lot, it's saved me a lot of headache/time. Makes me kind of mad though, as the Repeater was billed as something that would give you a raw .wav file for your editing pleasure. The ability to share files between the Repeater and my Mac was one of the main reasons I bought it over the EDP. Yet another dissipointment. I feel that Electrix should make good on it's claims and write a program (MAC and PC) that would make the conversion from Electrix .wav to standard .wav and back, and add apropreate files so the Repeater can use them again. It is what they advertised. Mark Sottilaro Tim Goodwin wrote: > I eventually want to compose loops in ACID and import them onto tracks in > Repeater to use in live applications. I would also like to dump my Repeater > loops onto my PC and add them to a loop library. But this is much easier > imagined than done (especially when I am new to both ACID and Repeater!) > > First, I tried to export files from my Repeater to my PC. Once I got my CFC > reader/writer installed it was no problem at all - just drag and drop. But > the first thing I noticed was a discrepancy between Repeater's loop lengths > and ACID's calculation of the loop length. They are way off and I can't > seem to find a pattern that explains the discrepancy. I included some > numbers to see if one of you brainiacs can figure it out. > > Also, when I play Repeater WAVs in ACID (as well as n-Track) there is space > at the end of the loop that makes it basically unusable. This is sometimes > accompanied by a 'click' sound that is definitely not very musical. Of > course, I could edit the file to make it sound like a seamless loop, but > then I would end up with a file that is no longer the same size as the > original - which prevents, as you may know, Repeater from being able read > the file. So if want to be able to use a loop on Repeater again, I better > not touch it. But if I want to be able to use it in ACID, I have to edit > it. > > I wrote down the info that Repeater displays about a loop and compared it to > how ACID and n-Track view the WAV files that comprise the loop. Like I > mentioned, there is a big difference. Here are the Repeater stats for the > first 10 loops on my CFC card. All bpm's are native tempos. Please keep in > mind that I used loop multiply and resample on some tracks, but that doesn't > explain the discontinuity. > > Repeater Loop/Track Stats > Folder #bars time sig bpm #tracks > > LOOP1 32 4/4 93.0 4 > LOOP2 4 3/4 90.3 4 > LOOP3 2 4/4 131.0 1 > LOOP4 8 4/4 69.8 2 > LOOP5 2 3/4 88.6 2 > LOOP6 1 7/8 94.7 2 > LOOP7 4 3/4 84.0 3 > LOOP8 4 4/4 107.0 1 > LOOP9 4 4/4 119.9 1 > LOOP10 5 2/4 161.0 4 > > And here are the WAV's as I saw them on my computer: > > WAV General WAV info ACID analysis of WAV > (loop#.track#) length size beats bpm > > 1.1 00:06:04 527k 8 78.3 > 1.2 01:22:25 7135k ? ? > 1.3 01:22:25 7135k ? ? > 1.4 01:22:25 7135k ? ? > > 2.1 00:05:00 431k 8 95.7 > 2.2 00:04:08 367k 8 112.4 > 2.3 00:08:05 703k 16 117.5 > 2.4 00:08:05 703k 16 117.5 > > 3.1 00:04:19 399k 8 103.4 > > 4.1 00:07:24 671k 16 123.1 > 4.2 00:27:26 2399k 64 137.8 > > 5.1 00:05:00 431k 8 95.7 > 5.2 00:04:08 367k 8 112.4 > > 6.1 00:05:12 463k 8 89.1 > 6.2 00:04:19 399k 8 103.4 > > 7.1 00:04:19 399k 8 103.4 > 7.2 00:05:06 447k 8 92.3 > 7.3 00:04:25 415k 8 99.4 > > 8.3 00:10:01 863k 16 95.7 > > 9.1 00:08:27 767k 16 107.7 > 9.2 00:08:27 767k 16 107.7 > > 10.1 00:03:27 335k 8 123.1 > 10.2 00:04:19 399k 8 103.4 > 10.3 00:04:03 351k 8 117.5 > 10.4 00:04:03 351k 8 117.5 > > I noticed that a couple of WAVs were actually the same exact size/length as > a WAV in another loop. Ah! My lucky break. I could test WAV 'imports' > that were not only the same file size, but they were generated on Repeater > itself. > > First I simply copied and pasted the same WAV and renamed it with another > track number. For instance, in LOOP3 I copied TRACK1.wav and renamed the > copy TRACK2.wav. This didn't work. I assume that's because the new track > had no track info file. > > Then I resampled track 1 to track 2. This gave me two tracks of the same > size and two Repeater generated info files to match each track. I took the > CFC out and connected it to my PC. Then I copied TRACK1.wav from LOOP7 > (which is exactly the same size), renamed it TRACK2.wav and dropped it into > the LOOP3 folder. Bingo. It played back without any alteration in pitch > and generally sounded like the same audio sample. But it still didn't line > up properly. I can only attribute this to the fact that I was still using > the info file that was created for LOOP3. According to Repeater, LOOP3 is 2 > bars of 4/4 @ 131bpm and LOOP7 is 4 bars of 3/4 @ 84bpm. So even though > ACID saw both files as the same length, number of beats and bpm, Repeater > saw a difference. And the difference that was distinguished by Repeater > affected the LPA trim points which affected the way the WAV played back. > > Also, tracks 3 and 4 of loop 10 are resamples of track 1 and 2, > respectively, but they are a different size than either of the originals. > Weird. Even weirder is that they are the *same* size, even though the > originals were different. Very weird. Perhaps resamples are new recordings > of the original LPA'd audio files (i.e. they are the same size because both > originals are bound to the trim points of the loop during playback). But > then why does track 1 sound the same as the track 3 resample on the > Repeater? And why do both files share the same awkward hesitation in ACID? > That's downright super freaky weird. > > So my questions remain: > > Is there a way to edit the proprietary files in the loop folders to handle > imported WAVs? > > Is there a way to create these files to accompany ACID loops for import into > Repeater? > > Is there a way to alter the WAV file on Repeater so that the start and end > points of the loop are the same as the start and endpoints of the WAV? This > would allow for accurate playback on my PC without having to change the > file. > > Is it possible to 'Repeaterize' ACIDized WAVs for play back on a Repeater? > > I'm also wondering if there is a looping program that lets you specify the > *exact* file size to 1/100th of a second? Does ACID Pro do this? > > Anywho, I'm tired and need to sleep. I'm still buzzing from the events in > New York and DC. However, I think I'm finally exhausted enough to go lie > down. I hope this info can be of use to someone. That's why I posted it. > I am actually more confused than anything (which is probably obvious to the > discriminating reader). But my efforts are sincere. :) > > -- > Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 14:52:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20789; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:28:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:28:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010912110929.064600f8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:13:16 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Midi Clock In-Reply-To: <000e01c13ba2$ec7bc680$6501a8c0@stevespc> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well, you could use the echoplex, it makes a nice midi clock out from tap tempo. I'm sure there are others that do the same. I also use an old alesis drum machine, because I can set the tempo of the clock with a slider, the up/down buttons, or the numeric keypad on it. I has a nice back lit display to show the tempo and generates a nice clock. no tap tempo on the alesis though. kim At 08:52 AM 9/12/2001, M. Steven Ginn wrote: >Since the accuracy of Midi Clock/Timing seems very important for >looping, is there a recommended piece of equipment and/or method to >establish proper timing and tap tempo for a rig so that all delays, >looping, effects, etc. are in sync? > >Steve ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 14:58:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21334; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:35:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:35:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Importing & Exporting Repeater WAVs Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:23:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There is pre and post buffer information in the .WAV file. This is what allows you to trim out on a loop you have just captured. To get rid of this data you must discard it by entering the a trim window by pressing trim once. Press and holding the trim button while in this window until the display reads "trim cut". then just press trim again and the buffer info is gone. I'm sorry to disappoint but there will still be silence at the beginning and end of the loop that you will have to trim. It is a standard .WAV file. Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com loop you have captured -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:47 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Importing & Exporting Repeater WAVs Wow, that's really extensive work. Thanks a lot, it's saved me a lot of headache/time. Makes me kind of mad though, as the Repeater was billed as something that would give you a raw .wav file for your editing pleasure. The ability to share files between the Repeater and my Mac was one of the main reasons I bought it over the EDP. Yet another dissipointment. I feel that Electrix should make good on it's claims and write a program (MAC and PC) that would make the conversion from Electrix .wav to standard .wav and back, and add apropreate files so the Repeater can use them again. It is what they advertised. Mark Sottilaro Tim Goodwin wrote: > I eventually want to compose loops in ACID and import them onto tracks in > Repeater to use in live applications. I would also like to dump my Repeater > loops onto my PC and add them to a loop library. But this is much easier > imagined than done (especially when I am new to both ACID and Repeater!) > > First, I tried to export files from my Repeater to my PC. Once I got my CFC > reader/writer installed it was no problem at all - just drag and drop. But > the first thing I noticed was a discrepancy between Repeater's loop lengths > and ACID's calculation of the loop length. They are way off and I can't > seem to find a pattern that explains the discrepancy. I included some > numbers to see if one of you brainiacs can figure it out. > > Also, when I play Repeater WAVs in ACID (as well as n-Track) there is space > at the end of the loop that makes it basically unusable. This is sometimes > accompanied by a 'click' sound that is definitely not very musical. Of > course, I could edit the file to make it sound like a seamless loop, but > then I would end up with a file that is no longer the same size as the > original - which prevents, as you may know, Repeater from being able read > the file. So if want to be able to use a loop on Repeater again, I better > not touch it. But if I want to be able to use it in ACID, I have to edit > it. > > I wrote down the info that Repeater displays about a loop and compared it to > how ACID and n-Track view the WAV files that comprise the loop. Like I > mentioned, there is a big difference. Here are the Repeater stats for the > first 10 loops on my CFC card. All bpm's are native tempos. Please keep in > mind that I used loop multiply and resample on some tracks, but that doesn't > explain the discontinuity. > > Repeater Loop/Track Stats > Folder #bars time sig bpm #tracks > > LOOP1 32 4/4 93.0 4 > LOOP2 4 3/4 90.3 4 > LOOP3 2 4/4 131.0 1 > LOOP4 8 4/4 69.8 2 > LOOP5 2 3/4 88.6 2 > LOOP6 1 7/8 94.7 2 > LOOP7 4 3/4 84.0 3 > LOOP8 4 4/4 107.0 1 > LOOP9 4 4/4 119.9 1 > LOOP10 5 2/4 161.0 4 > > And here are the WAV's as I saw them on my computer: > > WAV General WAV info ACID analysis of WAV > (loop#.track#) length size beats bpm > > 1.1 00:06:04 527k 8 78.3 > 1.2 01:22:25 7135k ? ? > 1.3 01:22:25 7135k ? ? > 1.4 01:22:25 7135k ? ? > > 2.1 00:05:00 431k 8 95.7 > 2.2 00:04:08 367k 8 112.4 > 2.3 00:08:05 703k 16 117.5 > 2.4 00:08:05 703k 16 117.5 > > 3.1 00:04:19 399k 8 103.4 > > 4.1 00:07:24 671k 16 123.1 > 4.2 00:27:26 2399k 64 137.8 > > 5.1 00:05:00 431k 8 95.7 > 5.2 00:04:08 367k 8 112.4 > > 6.1 00:05:12 463k 8 89.1 > 6.2 00:04:19 399k 8 103.4 > > 7.1 00:04:19 399k 8 103.4 > 7.2 00:05:06 447k 8 92.3 > 7.3 00:04:25 415k 8 99.4 > > 8.3 00:10:01 863k 16 95.7 > > 9.1 00:08:27 767k 16 107.7 > 9.2 00:08:27 767k 16 107.7 > > 10.1 00:03:27 335k 8 123.1 > 10.2 00:04:19 399k 8 103.4 > 10.3 00:04:03 351k 8 117.5 > 10.4 00:04:03 351k 8 117.5 > > I noticed that a couple of WAVs were actually the same exact size/length as > a WAV in another loop. Ah! My lucky break. I could test WAV 'imports' > that were not only the same file size, but they were generated on Repeater > itself. > > First I simply copied and pasted the same WAV and renamed it with another > track number. For instance, in LOOP3 I copied TRACK1.wav and renamed the > copy TRACK2.wav. This didn't work. I assume that's because the new track > had no track info file. > > Then I resampled track 1 to track 2. This gave me two tracks of the same > size and two Repeater generated info files to match each track. I took the > CFC out and connected it to my PC. Then I copied TRACK1.wav from LOOP7 > (which is exactly the same size), renamed it TRACK2.wav and dropped it into > the LOOP3 folder. Bingo. It played back without any alteration in pitch > and generally sounded like the same audio sample. But it still didn't line > up properly. I can only attribute this to the fact that I was still using > the info file that was created for LOOP3. According to Repeater, LOOP3 is 2 > bars of 4/4 @ 131bpm and LOOP7 is 4 bars of 3/4 @ 84bpm. So even though > ACID saw both files as the same length, number of beats and bpm, Repeater > saw a difference. And the difference that was distinguished by Repeater > affected the LPA trim points which affected the way the WAV played back. > > Also, tracks 3 and 4 of loop 10 are resamples of track 1 and 2, > respectively, but they are a different size than either of the originals. > Weird. Even weirder is that they are the *same* size, even though the > originals were different. Very weird. Perhaps resamples are new recordings > of the original LPA'd audio files (i.e. they are the same size because both > originals are bound to the trim points of the loop during playback). But > then why does track 1 sound the same as the track 3 resample on the > Repeater? And why do both files share the same awkward hesitation in ACID? > That's downright super freaky weird. > > So my questions remain: > > Is there a way to edit the proprietary files in the loop folders to handle > imported WAVs? > > Is there a way to create these files to accompany ACID loops for import into > Repeater? > > Is there a way to alter the WAV file on Repeater so that the start and end > points of the loop are the same as the start and endpoints of the WAV? This > would allow for accurate playback on my PC without having to change the > file. > > Is it possible to 'Repeaterize' ACIDized WAVs for play back on a Repeater? > > I'm also wondering if there is a looping program that lets you specify the > *exact* file size to 1/100th of a second? Does ACID Pro do this? > > Anywho, I'm tired and need to sleep. I'm still buzzing from the events in > New York and DC. However, I think I'm finally exhausted enough to go lie > down. I hope this info can be of use to someone. That's why I posted it. > I am actually more confused than anything (which is probably obvious to the > discriminating reader). But my efforts are sincere. :) > > -- > Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 15:10:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22268; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:47:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:47:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: Importing & Exporting Repeater WAVs Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:31:06 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Excellent post, Tim. I'm only writing because I wanted to echo that I, too, would like to be able to use Acid loops in Repeater, and vice versa. Are you working on this, Damon? Kevin > I eventually want to compose loops in ACID and import them onto tracks in > Repeater to use in live applications. I would also like to dump > my Repeater > loops onto my PC and add them to a loop library. But this is much easier > imagined than done (especially when I am new to both ACID and Repeater!) > > First, I tried to export files from my Repeater to my PC. Once I > got my CFC > reader/writer installed it was no problem at all - just drag and > drop. But > the first thing I noticed was a discrepancy between Repeater's > loop lengths > and ACID's calculation of the loop length. They are way off and I can't > seem to find a pattern that explains the discrepancy. I included some > numbers to see if one of you brainiacs can figure it out. > > Also, when I play Repeater WAVs in ACID (as well as n-Track) > there is space > at the end of the loop that makes it basically unusable. This is > sometimes > accompanied by a 'click' sound that is definitely not very musical. Of > course, I could edit the file to make it sound like a seamless loop, but > then I would end up with a file that is no longer the same size as the > original - which prevents, as you may know, Repeater from being able read > the file. So if want to be able to use a loop on Repeater again, I better > not touch it. But if I want to be able to use it in ACID, I have to edit > it. > > I wrote down the info that Repeater displays about a loop and > compared it to > how ACID and n-Track view the WAV files that comprise the loop. Like I > mentioned, there is a big difference. Here are the Repeater stats for the > first 10 loops on my CFC card. All bpm's are native tempos. > Please keep in > mind that I used loop multiply and resample on some tracks, but > that doesn't > explain the discontinuity. > > Repeater Loop/Track Stats > Folder #bars time sig bpm #tracks > > LOOP1 32 4/4 93.0 4 > LOOP2 4 3/4 90.3 4 > LOOP3 2 4/4 131.0 1 > LOOP4 8 4/4 69.8 2 > LOOP5 2 3/4 88.6 2 > LOOP6 1 7/8 94.7 2 > LOOP7 4 3/4 84.0 3 > LOOP8 4 4/4 107.0 1 > LOOP9 4 4/4 119.9 1 > LOOP10 5 2/4 161.0 4 > > > And here are the WAV's as I saw them on my computer: > > > WAV General WAV info ACID analysis of WAV > (loop#.track#) length size beats bpm > > 1.1 00:06:04 527k 8 78.3 > 1.2 01:22:25 7135k ? ? > 1.3 01:22:25 7135k ? ? > 1.4 01:22:25 7135k ? ? > > 2.1 00:05:00 431k 8 95.7 > 2.2 00:04:08 367k 8 112.4 > 2.3 00:08:05 703k 16 117.5 > 2.4 00:08:05 703k 16 117.5 > > 3.1 00:04:19 399k 8 103.4 > > 4.1 00:07:24 671k 16 123.1 > 4.2 00:27:26 2399k 64 137.8 > > 5.1 00:05:00 431k 8 95.7 > 5.2 00:04:08 367k 8 112.4 > > 6.1 00:05:12 463k 8 89.1 > 6.2 00:04:19 399k 8 103.4 > > 7.1 00:04:19 399k 8 103.4 > 7.2 00:05:06 447k 8 92.3 > 7.3 00:04:25 415k 8 99.4 > > 8.3 00:10:01 863k 16 95.7 > > 9.1 00:08:27 767k 16 107.7 > 9.2 00:08:27 767k 16 107.7 > > 10.1 00:03:27 335k 8 123.1 > 10.2 00:04:19 399k 8 103.4 > 10.3 00:04:03 351k 8 117.5 > 10.4 00:04:03 351k 8 117.5 > > > I noticed that a couple of WAVs were actually the same exact > size/length as > a WAV in another loop. Ah! My lucky break. I could test WAV 'imports' > that were not only the same file size, but they were generated on Repeater > itself. > > First I simply copied and pasted the same WAV and renamed it with another > track number. For instance, in LOOP3 I copied TRACK1.wav and renamed the > copy TRACK2.wav. This didn't work. I assume that's because the new track > had no track info file. > > Then I resampled track 1 to track 2. This gave me two tracks of the same > size and two Repeater generated info files to match each track. > I took the > CFC out and connected it to my PC. Then I copied TRACK1.wav from LOOP7 > (which is exactly the same size), renamed it TRACK2.wav and > dropped it into > the LOOP3 folder. Bingo. It played back without any alteration in pitch > and generally sounded like the same audio sample. But it still > didn't line > up properly. I can only attribute this to the fact that I was still using > the info file that was created for LOOP3. According to Repeater, > LOOP3 is 2 > bars of 4/4 @ 131bpm and LOOP7 is 4 bars of 3/4 @ 84bpm. So even though > ACID saw both files as the same length, number of beats and bpm, Repeater > saw a difference. And the difference that was distinguished by Repeater > affected the LPA trim points which affected the way the WAV played back. > > Also, tracks 3 and 4 of loop 10 are resamples of track 1 and 2, > respectively, but they are a different size than either of the originals. > Weird. Even weirder is that they are the *same* size, even though the > originals were different. Very weird. Perhaps resamples are new > recordings > of the original LPA'd audio files (i.e. they are the same size > because both > originals are bound to the trim points of the loop during playback). But > then why does track 1 sound the same as the track 3 resample on the > Repeater? And why do both files share the same awkward > hesitation in ACID? > That's downright super freaky weird. > > So my questions remain: > > Is there a way to edit the proprietary files in the loop folders to handle > imported WAVs? > > Is there a way to create these files to accompany ACID loops for > import into > Repeater? > > Is there a way to alter the WAV file on Repeater so that the start and end > points of the loop are the same as the start and endpoints of the > WAV? This > would allow for accurate playback on my PC without having to change the > file. > > Is it possible to 'Repeaterize' ACIDized WAVs for play back on a Repeater? > > I'm also wondering if there is a looping program that lets you specify the > *exact* file size to 1/100th of a second? Does ACID Pro do this? > > Anywho, I'm tired and need to sleep. I'm still buzzing from the events in > New York and DC. However, I think I'm finally exhausted enough to go lie > down. I hope this info can be of use to someone. That's why I posted it. > I am actually more confused than anything (which is probably > obvious to the > discriminating reader). But my efforts are sincere. :) > > -- > Tim > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 15:17:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22607; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:54:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:54:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010912111453.064d7008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:35:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: REPEATER wish list-Kim In-Reply-To: <20010912165353.31644.qmail@web20707.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010911225640.025c3ec8@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes, I understood what you want to do with choosing your own midi mapping. What I was pointing out is that so far as I can tell Repeater doesn't have a way to save changes like that. So you would go to a lot of trouble to set it up, and then have to do it over again every time you powered up the Repeater. Maybe I'm mistaken and there is some non-volatile memory hidden in there, but so far every time I've turned off the Repeater all my settings were lost and I had to set it up again. Repeater doesn't really offer much to configure or customize though, so it really isn't a big deal now. If you started adding all of these options to it I can see it becoming a problem though. I guess I don't really see the need for the midi mapping you want in repeater. Any good midi pedal lets you put any commands you want on any pedal, in any bank, and saves more presets than you will likely ever use. So the mapping is all saved in the pedal. Maybe it is time to face the reality that a simple pedal like the art x-15 is just not going to have the functionality you need to control something like the Repeater? get a good pedal.... kim At 09:53 AM 9/12/2001, Robert Deveaux wrote: >The Repeater has them predetermined & programmed. > >That is my whole point. They are predefined. >On the ART SGE (which is really old), you can go >into the programming & set any PC# to = any midi >controllable parameter. >I would love to see that on the REPEATER. >Then your midi controller (or ART X-15 footpedal) >could have the most useful parameters (user >defined) all in 1 bank. > > > KIM FLINT wrote: > > Is the repeater actually able to save settings > > like that? > > Robert Deveaux wrote: > > >The repeater needs a programmable midi map. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 15:37:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24981; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 15:13:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 15:13:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005201c13bbd$3d7637e0$0301a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: OT: Re An Idea For Helping Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 12:00:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004F_01C13B82.8D63CDC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <1feNsD.A.N4F.nD7n7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C13B82.8D63CDC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have loops going since last night- a musical prayer- I am fully = willing and able to establish a web page to host any other contributions- there = is approx 95mb free. 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------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C13B82.8D63CDC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 16:12:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26574; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 15:46:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 15:46:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Synch issues, the official electrix response. Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 12:34:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >IMHO, I'm rather pessemistic. It's not like they didn't have an extra year >to fix the problem; the chances are, this is a hardware problem Sigh...It's not a hardware problem but thanks for the expert advice and the vote of confidence. Kim was correct in his analysis of our MIDI Clock bug. The 23 pulse is delayed (Nice one Kim). We have fixed this and it will be in the coming OS release. Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 16:51:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29362; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:28:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:28:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c13bc7$67b79620$0301a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "MediaOne" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010912110929.064600f8@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Midi Clock Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 13:13:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Holy crap- EDP has tap tempo? Ignoramus-In-Residence Om ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:13 AM Subject: Re: Midi Clock > well, you could use the echoplex, it makes a nice midi clock out from tap > tempo. I'm sure there are others that do the same. I also use an old alesis > drum machine, because I can set the tempo of the clock with a slider, the > up/down buttons, or the numeric keypad on it. I has a nice back lit display > to show the tempo and generates a nice clock. no tap tempo on the alesis > though. > kim > > At 08:52 AM 9/12/2001, M. Steven Ginn wrote: > >Since the accuracy of Midi Clock/Timing seems very important for > >looping, is there a recommended piece of equipment and/or method to > >establish proper timing and tap tempo for a rig so that all delays, > >looping, effects, etc. are in sync? > > > >Steve > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 16:55:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29506; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:31:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:31:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c13bc8$04032ee0$0301a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "MediaOne" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010912110929.064600f8@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Midi Clock Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 13:17:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <6zrJZ.A.mDH.cL8n7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OMG- this sounds so cool- I must try these ideas- here is a quote from LD website- Thanks Kim. "Tap Tempo with BeatSync An interesting use of the BeatSync jack is as a means of setting loop lengths that match a tempo. Just plug a momentary switch type of pedal in the BeatSync jack. Set the Sync parameter to In. Tap the beat on the pedal. You will see one of the green Sync LED's flash each time you tap. Press Record to start recording the loop. The Echoplex will wait for the next beat tap and then start recording. Continue tapping your beat. When you are done recording, press the Record button again just prior to the last beat. When you tap the last beat, the Echoplex will stop recording at that point. This allows you to exactly match loops of variable length to the tempo you are playing. In a similar fashion, you can get tempo for your loops by plugging tempo sources into the BeatSync jack like audio click tracks, the headphone out of an electronic metronome, drum machine outputs, or triggers on an acoustic drum." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:13 AM Subject: Re: Midi Clock > well, you could use the echoplex, it makes a nice midi clock out from tap > tempo. I'm sure there are others that do the same. I also use an old alesis > drum machine, because I can set the tempo of the clock with a slider, the > up/down buttons, or the numeric keypad on it. I has a nice back lit display > to show the tempo and generates a nice clock. no tap tempo on the alesis > though. > kim > > At 08:52 AM 9/12/2001, M. Steven Ginn wrote: > >Since the accuracy of Midi Clock/Timing seems very important for > >looping, is there a recommended piece of equipment and/or method to > >establish proper timing and tap tempo for a rig so that all delays, > >looping, effects, etc. are in sync? > > > >Steve > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 16:56:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29581; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:33:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:33:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004201c13bc7$d9cce8a0$1f416f40@oemcomputer> From: "petr" To: References: Subject: Re: OT - 9-11-01 -- looping prayers Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:16:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <258a1B.A.PEH.cM8n7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Or how about we all donate a pint of blood if we really want to help. I > think that would be a lot more appreciated. Kevin *** You mean *only* *appreciated*, not *objectively* *helpful*, right? Otherwise I would love to know how one can evaluate physical touchable versus spiritual invisible help. I actually am thinking a lot about looping positive energy, verbal or otherwise. Any feelings about this? It seems to me that in fact making a loop containing a positive energy, although then kept mechanically running, could be seen in the same way as engraving sacred symbols into a rock, making icons, or whatever else in this realm. petr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 16:58:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29625; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:35:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:35:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: Importing & Exporting Repeater WAVs Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 13:24:34 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Damon, when you say there is 'pre and post "info" _in_ the .WAV file' do mean that Repeater adds a small amount of silence at the beginning and end of each .WAV? Or is there more specific information encoded into the .WAV? What exactly is being removed with the trim cut function? And just to confirm, you saying that there will still be silence at the beginning and end of each .WAV even after the 'trim cut' function is activated? -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: Damon Langlois (Electrix) [mailto:Damon@Electrixpro.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:23 AM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: RE: Importing & Exporting Repeater WAVs There is pre and post buffer information in the .WAV file. This is what allows you to trim out on a loop you have just captured. To get rid of this data you must discard it by entering the a trim window by pressing trim once. Press and holding the trim button while in this window until the display reads "trim cut". then just press trim again and the buffer info is gone. I'm sorry to disappoint but there will still be silence at the beginning and end of the loop that you will have to trim. It is a standard .WAV file. Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 17:34:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32500; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:11:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:11:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AALev123@aol.com Message-ID: <9c.1310ffee.28d12577@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:54:15 EDT Subject: basic Midi control repeater question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9c.1310ffee.28d12577_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_9c.1310ffee.28d12577_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do I have this right- in order to get the repeater to say , record, via midi you need to send a particular Program control message, then a cc message and send a certain value with the cc message. If that is the case, and I hope I am missing something, then -at least for guitar players, the DMC controller is pretty useless because you will have to step on at least 2 buttons and then move a volume pedal -with this type of set up it will be impossible for any two footed creature to get precise start and stop etc... --part1_9c.1310ffee.28d12577_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit      Do I have this right- in order to get the repeater to say , record,
via midi you need to send a particular Program control message, then a cc
message and send a certain value with the cc message. If that is the case,
and I hope I am missing something, then -at least for guitar players, the DMC
controller is pretty useless because you will have to step on  at least 2
buttons and then move a volume pedal -with this type of set up it will be
impossible for any two footed creature to get precise start and stop etc... --part1_9c.1310ffee.28d12577_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 17:43:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00371; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:18:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:18:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004401c13bce$699a34a0$0301a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "MediaOne" To: References: <004201c13bc7$d9cce8a0$1f416f40@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: OT - 9-11-01 -- looping prayers Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:03:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I personally hope/believe that things like prayer, meditation, making a special loop and letting it run- possibly help to create order on sub-atomic levels etc- which can have far reaching effects- however subtle they may be- Although the loop itself in RAM may not be doing much (or it may- who knows) the mental effect of your knowing about it etc may be the more obvious effect- like group prayer no matter what religon may create the same positive results- I think of the Olympic Flame etc as an example in a way- knowing the flame is alive has an effect on our physiology- which has an effect on the universe- I think these ideas are subtle to the extreme- but I like them anyway- the more I learn about physics the more I believe. Funny- I think Einstein and the rest expressed a heightened spiritual element in their lives as a result of all the science they were involved in I think- Maybe the possibilities I see in science/physics are advancing to the point where they could support ideas like prayer helping people far away etc. I know the loops I have running at home are good for me- maybe in turn that spreads good farther than myself- a nice thought regardless of your beliefs- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "petr" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 1:16 PM Subject: Re: OT - 9-11-01 -- looping prayers > > Or how about we all donate a pint of blood if we really want to > help. I > > think that would be a lot more appreciated. Kevin > > *** You mean *only* *appreciated*, not *objectively* *helpful*, right? > Otherwise I would love to know how one can evaluate physical touchable > versus spiritual invisible help. > > I actually am thinking a lot about looping positive energy, verbal or > otherwise. Any feelings about this? It seems to me that in fact > making a loop containing a positive energy, although then kept > mechanically running, could be seen in the same way as engraving > sacred symbols into a rock, making icons, or whatever else in this > realm. > > petr > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 17:56:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01756; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:30:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:30:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: basic Midi control repeater question Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:17:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C13BD0.592F4130" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C13BD0.592F4130 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" huh? Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com -----Original Message----- From: AALev123@aol.com [mailto:AALev123@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 1:54 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: basic Midi control repeater question Do I have this right- in order to get the repeater to say , record, via midi you need to send a particular Program control message, then a cc message and send a certain value with the cc message. If that is the case, and I hope I am missing something, then -at least for guitar players, the DMC controller is pretty useless because you will have to step on at least 2 buttons and then move a volume pedal -with this type of set up it will be impossible for any two footed creature to get precise start and stop etc... ------_=_NextPart_001_01C13BD0.592F4130 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
huh?
 

Respect,

Damon Langlois
Creative Director
Electrix
Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100
http://www.electrixpro.com

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     Do I have this right- in order to get the repeater to say , record,
via midi you need to send a particular Program control message, then a cc
message and send a certain value with the cc message. If that is the case,
and I hope I am missing something, then -at least for guitar players, the DMC
controller is pretty useless because you will have to step on  at least 2
buttons and then move a volume pedal -with this type of set up it will be
impossible for any two footed creature to get precise start and stop etc...
------_=_NextPart_001_01C13BD0.592F4130-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 17:57:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01821; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:32:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:32:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Importing & Exporting Repeater WAVs Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:16:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The pre and post information is actually just audio data. When you press record, Repeater has already been recording so you have a little bit extra audio at the beginning of your loop. It also keeps recording a little bit after you finish recording. This give you some buffer material for trimming (among other things). The silence is separate from this. We don't think the silence is a feature but there are reasons why we couldn't get rid of it for the first OS release. It might be something we can do something about in a future OS but definitely not in the next one. So if you "trim cut" you get rid of the extra audio data but not the silence. "trim cut" basically discards anything on the other side of the trim points. This will make the file a little easier to trim the extra stuff of in a PC WAV editor. Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 18:04:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02189; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:41:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:41:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:27:49 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Synch issues, the official electrix response. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <013e01c13bd1$c5f49a30$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thank you for keeping us posted. this is almost certainly what was causing mo-fx to get weird. i synced mo-fx to acid pro last night and it worked flawlessly... any word on when we can expect an os update? no, wait, maybe you better not answer that... > > Kim was correct in his analysis of our MIDI Clock bug. The 23 pulse is > delayed (Nice one Kim). We have fixed this and it will be in the coming OS > release. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 18:04:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02165; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:40:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:40:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010912170511.04dd0df0@pop1.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:09:56 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: Re: OT - 9-11-01 -- looping prayers In-Reply-To: <004401c13bce$699a34a0$0301a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> References: <004201c13bc7$d9cce8a0$1f416f40@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <161agD.A.WK.BK9n7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com its funny you should mention that... back in 1982 i discovered what i call 'perpetual music' where i would create loops of various lengths and let them run against each other. this provided for an ultimately infinitely long sonic landscape piece. some of these i recorded at various lengths. they are very relaxing! back then i used *tap* echoplexes (remember tape?), analogue sequencers and DDL's. I would set up loops on all these things and then mix them and leave them be to play away. my last perpetual music piece was done in around 1992 where i recorded a number of ambient synth tracks on a midi sequencer without listening to the previous tracks as i recorded a new track. then i played them all back together, looped at their different lengths and then wrote out a set of midi mix tracks that were also asynchronized. when it played back the tracks would snake and mix around each other and provide a very cool and relaxing sonic landscape. i was going to try the same thing with the repeater although you can't get that asynch thing happening. plexus At 05:03 PM 9/12/2001, you wrote: >I personally hope/believe that things like prayer, meditation, making a >special loop and letting it run- possibly help to create order on >sub-atomic levels etc- which can have far reaching effects- however subtle >they may be- >Although the loop itself in RAM may not be doing much (or it may- who knows) >the mental effect of your knowing about it etc may be the more obvious >effect- like group prayer no matter what religon may create the same >positive results- I think of the Olympic Flame etc as an example in a way- >knowing the flame is alive has an effect on our physiology- which has an >effect on the universe- >I think these ideas are subtle to the extreme- but I like them anyway- the >more I learn about physics the more I believe. Funny- I think Einstein and >the rest expressed a heightened spiritual element in their lives as a result >of all the science they were involved in I think- Maybe the possibilities I >see in science/physics are advancing to the point where they could support >ideas like prayer helping people far away etc. > >I know the loops I have running at home are good for me- maybe in turn that >spreads good farther than myself- a nice thought regardless of your beliefs- > >Cliff > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "petr" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 1:16 PM >Subject: Re: OT - 9-11-01 -- looping prayers > > > > > Or how about we all donate a pint of blood if we really want to > > help. I > > > think that would be a lot more appreciated. Kevin > > > > *** You mean *only* *appreciated*, not *objectively* *helpful*, right? > > Otherwise I would love to know how one can evaluate physical touchable > > versus spiritual invisible help. > > > > I actually am thinking a lot about looping positive energy, verbal or > > otherwise. Any feelings about this? It seems to me that in fact > > making a loop containing a positive energy, although then kept > > mechanically running, could be seen in the same way as engraving > > sacred symbols into a rock, making icons, or whatever else in this > > realm. > > > > petr > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 18:20:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03167; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:57:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:57:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:48:29 -0700 Subject: Re: OT - 9-11-01 -- looping prayers From: Kevin Goldsmith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004201c13bc7$d9cce8a0$1f416f40@oemcomputer> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8oDsr.A.Pl.Pc9n7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 9/12/01 1:16 PM, "petr" wrote: >> Or how about we all donate a pint of blood if we really want to > help. I >> think that would be a lot more appreciated. Kevin > > *** You mean *only* *appreciated*, not *objectively* *helpful*, right? > Otherwise I would love to know how one can evaluate physical touchable > versus spiritual invisible help. > I don't think the list is an appropriate place for this discussion. I do find the notion that you think making a loop is more appropriate then giving blood fairly offensive, but I'm going to assume that isn't what you meant and I'm just feeling raw right now because I still have friends in lower manhatten unaccounted for. Kevin -- Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 18:27:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04598; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 18:03:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 18:03:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9FD874.C3E47ADE@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:49:39 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Importing & Exporting Repeater WAVs References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was able to take Repeater loops and quickly trim the blank parts at the ends of the loop, bring them into a sequencer program at the Repeater's BPM and use them with out any problem. I have yet to try it, but I bet I could replace JUST the part with the audio and bring it back into the Repeater and have it work. How could the Repeater know it was new audio? Should work. Mark Sottilaro Tim Goodwin wrote: > Damon, when you say there is 'pre and post "info" _in_ the .WAV file' do > mean that Repeater adds a small amount of silence at the beginning and end > of each .WAV? Or is there more specific information encoded into the .WAV? > What exactly is being removed with the trim cut function? And just to > confirm, you saying that there will still be silence at the beginning and > end of each .WAV even after the 'trim cut' function is activated? > > -- > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: Damon Langlois (Electrix) [mailto:Damon@Electrixpro.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:23 AM > To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' > Subject: RE: Importing & Exporting Repeater WAVs > > There is pre and post buffer information in the .WAV file. This is what > allows you to trim out on a loop you have just captured. To get rid of this > data you must discard it by entering the a trim window by pressing trim > once. Press and holding the trim button while in this window until the > display reads "trim cut". then just press trim again and the buffer info is > gone. I'm sorry to disappoint but there will still be silence at the > beginning and end of the loop that you will have to trim. It is a standard > .WAV file. > > Respect, > > Damon Langlois > Creative Director > Electrix > Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 > http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 18:34:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05035; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 18:08:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 18:08:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AALev123@aol.com Message-ID: <12a.43d2393.28d133ac@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:54:52 EDT Subject: Re: basic Midi control repeater question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12a.43d2393.28d133ac_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: <9bnPUC.A.xu.1m9n7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_12a.43d2393.28d133ac_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Let me try again. The presets on the dmc foot controller can be set to call up a particular amp channel, a particular program setting for a particular f/x device (patch number same as a program change message)-- ie. step on 1 button and my amp channel changes, my rocktron calls up a chorus or whatever, my digitech 2120 calls up a distorted preamp etc..) Now, with the repeater the question is-- say it is set to receive midi channel 3, okay -- step on a preset on the ground controller and it changes the program of my 2120, my amp, my rocktron but it seems that to the repeater I have send a program change of 4 ( record) - but I stiil have to transmit some value of cc 86 so now I have to step on the button I have set to transmit a cc 86 message and then use the volume control to send a value ( greater than 63 to engage record and then less then 63 to disengage record) right? and then I have to send a program change message of 21 to play right? This may be easy to explain and it could very well be my limited understanding of midi principles or what you mean when you say program change- on all my other gear program changes change patches on the unit ie chorus, to delay, or piano to bass etc.. do I have to send a new program change message each time I want to stop, start , record, reverse and if so do I then , after sending the program change message, have to send a certain value message of a particular cc to make it work? If that is the case then I have to step on at least two buttons and a volume pedal to make it work --part1_12a.43d2393.28d133ac_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Let me try again. The presets on the dmc foot controller can be set to call up a particular amp channel, a particular program setting for a particular f/x device (patch number same as a program change message)-- ie. step on 1 button and my amp channel changes, my rocktron calls up a chorus or whatever, my digitech 2120 calls up a distorted preamp etc..) Now, with the repeater the question is-- say it is set to receive midi channel 3, okay -- step on a preset on the ground controller and  it changes the program of my 2120, my amp, my rocktron but it seems that to the repeater I have send a  program change of 4 ( record) - but I stiil have to transmit some value of cc 86  so now I have to step on the button I have set to transmit a cc 86 message and then use the volume control to send a value ( greater than 63 to engage record and then less then 63 to disengage record) right? and then I have to send a program change message of 21 to play right? This may be easy to explain and it could very well be my limited understanding of midi principles or what you mean when you say program change- on all my other gear program changes change patches on the unit ie chorus, to delay, or piano to bass etc.. do I have to send a new program change message each time I want to stop, start , record, reverse and if so do I then , after sending the program change message, have to send a certain value message of a particular cc to make it work?   If that is the case then I have to step on at least two buttons and a volume pedal to make it work --part1_12a.43d2393.28d133ac_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 18:43:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05687; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 18:19:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 18:19:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9FDC9F.7C558310@club-internet.fr> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 00:07:27 +0200 From: Emmanuel PERILLE X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [fr] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Importing & Exporting Repeater WAVs References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" a écrit : > The pre and post information is actually just audio data. When you press > record, Repeater has already been recording so you have a little bit extra > audio at the beginning of your loop. It also keeps recording a little bit > after you finish recording. This give you some buffer material for trimming > (among other things). The silence is separate from this. We don't think the > silence is a feature but there are reasons why we couldn't get rid of it for > the first OS release. It might be something we can do something about in a > future OS but definitely not in the next one. So if you "trim cut" you get > rid of the extra audio data but not the silence. "trim cut" basically > discards anything on the other side of the trim points. This will make the > file a little easier to trim the extra stuff of in a PC WAV editor. > > Respect, > > Damon Langlois > Creative Director > Electrix > Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 > http://www.electrixpro.com Is it only true for the first track of the loop you record, or is it always like that for every track ? I mean once a first track is recorded, why allowing trim features for every track independently since start/end loop points can already be defined by the first recorded track ? EP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 18:57:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06955; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 18:32:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 18:32:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004401c13bce$699a34a0$0301a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> References: <004201c13bc7$d9cce8a0$1f416f40@oemcomputer> <004401c13bce$699a34a0$0301a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 18:19:02 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: earthsync Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <8jt9c.A.kZB.i-9n7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com here's an interesting idea I had a few years ago. I tried to get some interest but it never advanced and I'm prompted to trot it out again. 1. Binaural beats entrain brainwaves. There is an idea called a "binaural beat". if you play a 200 Hz tone in the left ear and a 208 Hz tone in the right ear, you hear the "difference frequency" of 8 Hz and you get that same frequency emphasized in your brain waves (this is called "entrainment"). 2. Every computer is a simple synthesizer. Suppose you had simple software synthesizers in every computer that could make just two simple sine waves well. Actually, you do. Almost every computer in the world today can do simple sine waves in stereo and very accurately. 3. Sync up the synths. Now, suppose you could synchronize them so that all the computers were accurately synchronized (difficult but not impossible). (Accurately means millisecond timing...) So we have created a simple little free program that lets everyone play the same two tones at the same phase at exactly the "same time". 4. sync up all the minds. You can see where I am going with this. Everyone plays this program at the same time and gets their brain waves frequencies synchronized. individuals all over the world with brain waves sync'ed results ? but very interesting. who knows. 5. "vote" on what brain waves to set. in the second stage: have the brain waves that we are all sharing set by popular consensus -- ie, a moving average of everyone else's brain waves... "I felt a sudden disturbance in The Force..." 6.... ! to infinity! The possibilities are endless. 7. How to proceed. I have more writing on this, including some specification of the players, how you could run this without having a central server, and that sort of thing. I believe that there are no particularly great technical hurdles to overcome and that it could be achieved in a fairly straight-forward fashion. The synchronization is the hardest part and is achievable I believe and the rest is very ordinary programming and a lot of writing and social engineering... Any interest here? /t .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 19:23:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11100; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:00:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:00:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: basic Midi control repeater question Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 15:45:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C13BDC.A025A4B0" Resent-Message-ID: <0FvKyC.A.F_B.xV-n7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C13BDC.A025A4B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" It's an an option to use Program change OR Control change. You don't need to do both. A simple send of PC 4 from a MIDI controller will put Repeater into record OR send CC 86 at a value above 64. Try this link it might help. http://www.harmony-central.com/MIDI/Doc/doc.html#int Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01C13BDC.A025A4B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
It's an an option to use Program change OR Control change. You don't need to do both. A simple send of PC 4 from a MIDI controller will put Repeater into record OR send CC 86 at a value above 64.
Try this link it might help.
 

Respect,

Damon Langlois
Creative Director
Electrix
Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100
http://www.electrixpro.com

------_=_NextPart_001_01C13BDC.A025A4B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 19:25:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11362; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:01:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:01:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 10:58:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: Importing & Exporting Repeater WAVs Resent-Message-ID: <2jw-LD.A.9MC.cZ-n7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Tim- Excuse me if you've already done this, but did you trim the loops on Repeater before you exported them? I forget the exact term Electrix used (my manual is in the house, away from the office), but as we all now know Repeater saves extra audio data around it's loop boundaries for manipulation and "good loopin", and normally trimming is non-destructive (Yay!). But you can do a destructive trim that should leave you with a properly trimmed WAV file. As a matter of fact I believe Electrix recommneds this in the manual, if you want your loops to have the appropriate time/value in other programs. Best- Mark >Is there a way to alter the WAV file on Repeater so that the start and end >points of the loop are the same as the start and endpoints of the WAV? This >would allow for accurate playback on my PC without having to change the >file. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 19:36:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11939; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:13:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:13:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <004201c13bc7$d9cce8a0$1f416f40@oemcomputer> <004401c13bce$699a34a0$0301a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 15:57:15 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: earthsync Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >1. Binaural beats entrain brainwaves. > >There is an idea called a "binaural beat". > >if you play a 200 Hz tone in the left ear >and a 208 Hz tone in the right ear, >you hear the "difference frequency" of 8 Hz > >and you get that same frequency emphasized in your >brain waves (this is called "entrainment"). nice idea... there is some new age guy doing this stuff...hmmm....Anugama, i think? i'll check at home tonight. the liner notes on his stuff are very over the top about innovations and proprietary techniques to get your mind in sync with the alpha patterns and aligning yourself with the planets and all... my wife uses them for yoga classes...some interesting things, especially his disc "Shamanic Dream", which, IMO is very good and is dreamy and trippy just enough to keep it interesting beyond new age hooey... although i prefer to put in on low for candlelit romantic evenings rather than meditating...hmmm...who's to say how one man stills his mind vs. another, i guess? best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 19:51:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13170; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:28:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:28:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Synch issues, the official electrix response. Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 18:13:45 -0500 Message-ID: <002601c13be0$925435f0$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <7ilwT.A.97C.Dy-n7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Damon, I think it is great that Electrix has realized that the Repeater has a midi clock bug. Now, what is Electrix official response concerning the problem with not being able to go directly into overdub mode so as to record audio smoothly without any bumps or gaps? Regards, Steve Ginn > > Sigh...It's not a hardware problem but thanks for the expert > advice and the vote of confidence. > > Kim was correct in his analysis of our MIDI Clock bug. The 23 > pulse is delayed (Nice one Kim). We have fixed this and it > will be in the coming OS release. > > > Respect, > > Damon Langlois > Creative Director > Electrix > Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 20:16:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15470; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:53:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:53:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B9FF2EC.8B38FED@pathcom.com> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:42:36 -0400 From: hutton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Synch issues, the official electrix response. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Damon ...... When do yo think this new OS will be released? "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" wrote: > >IMHO, I'm rather pessemistic. It's not like they didn't have an extra year > >to fix the problem; the chances are, this is a hardware problem > > Sigh...It's not a hardware problem but thanks for the expert advice and the > vote of confidence. > > Kim was correct in his analysis of our MIDI Clock bug. The 23 pulse is > delayed (Nice one Kim). We have fixed this and it will be in the coming OS > release. > > Respect, > > Damon Langlois > Creative Director > Electrix > Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 > http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 20:28:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18212; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 20:05:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 20:05:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Dave Hastings" To: Subject: RE: Importing & Exporting Repeater WAVs Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:56:00 -0700 Message-ID: <002101c13be6$791f5d20$812579a5@hmv5n> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi everybody. I've been lurking for a couple of weeks now. I don't own a looper yet, but there's definitely one in my future. I've found the discussions of the Repeater and EDP to be helpful in figuring out what I need/want. > From: Tim Goodwin [mailto:deepbass6@earthlink.net] > Subject: Importing & Exporting Repeater WAVs > > I'm also wondering if there is a looping program that lets you specify the > *exact* file size to 1/100th of a second? No one else has chimed in on this one yet, so I thought I'd take a shot at it. This is a little out of date as I've got ACID Pro 2, and the current version is 3. > Does ACID Pro do this? No. Or at least not directly. If you want to directly change the length of a loop, you need to use an audio editor. In addition, ACID lacks (as of version 2) any way to directly select the material to be looped. If it's in the wav file, ACID plays it. You can directly set the number of beats a loop in a track contains (and the same loop can be on different tracks with different numbers of beats). You can also directly set the starting sample for an event (an instance of one or more repetitions of the loop in a particular track). If you change the start sample for an event, ACID still loops the entire file. It just starts from a different place. Controls for these operations can be found on the Track and Event tabs that appear in the lower left pane when you pick the properties tab in the lower right pane. If you use files that haven't been 'acidized', ACID guesses about number of beats, and using that and file size calculates tempo. If you change the number of beats, ACID keeps that information in the project file, and will also let you save the wav file with the new beat information. To do so, press the diskette with the ? on the Track tab in the lower left pane. All of the above said, you can bounce pretty arbitrary sections of the audio to new tracks or external wav files, so you may be able to approximate what you want to do that way. I just noticed that the time ruler at it's maximum magnification gets down to 1/100s of seconds as well. Once again, this applies to ACID 2, and may have changed for ACID 3. From the manual, it appears that all of the features described above exist in all the variants of ACID 2, but I've only used Pro. -daveh -------------- Dave Hastings dhastings@earthlink.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 20:32:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18550; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 20:09:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 20:09:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Jamie Drouin (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Synch issues, the official electrix response. Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:56:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com We are not giving a specific date yet. It will be announced on the list once it is available for download. Best, Jamie. Jamie Drouin Visual Designer Electrix/IVL Technologies Ltd 6710 Bertram Place, Victoria, BC, V8M 1Z6 Canada email... jamie@electrixpro.com fax... 250-544-4102 voice... 250-544-4114 > ---------- > From: hutton > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 4:42 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Synch issues, the official electrix response. > > Damon ...... When do yo think this new OS will be released? > > "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" wrote: > > > >IMHO, I'm rather pessemistic. It's not like they didn't have an extra > year > > >to fix the problem; the chances are, this is a hardware problem > > > > Sigh...It's not a hardware problem but thanks for the expert advice and > the > > vote of confidence. > > > > Kim was correct in his analysis of our MIDI Clock bug. The 23 pulse is > > delayed (Nice one Kim). We have fixed this and it will be in the coming > OS > > release. > > > > Respect, > > > > Damon Langlois > > Creative Director > > Electrix > > Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 > > http://www.electrixpro.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 21:11:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21514; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 20:47:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 20:47:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 20:36:59 -0400 Subject: Re: Synch issues, the official electrix response. From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5k5G1.A.89E.Y7_n7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com electrix....please consider making it available on a card from electrix. some of us don;t have cfc readers.. anyone recommend a good cfc reader? i have been looking at a kodak for around $40.00 any commments.... it seems to be geared for photos, but data is data...no? monk on 9/12/01 7:56 PM, Jamie Drouin (Electrix) at Jamie@Electrixpro.com wrote: > We are not giving a specific date yet. It will be announced on the list once > it is available for download. > > Best, > Jamie. > > > Jamie Drouin > Visual Designer > Electrix/IVL Technologies Ltd > 6710 Bertram Place, Victoria, BC, V8M 1Z6 Canada > > email... jamie@electrixpro.com fax... 250-544-4102 voice... 250-544-4114 > > > >> ---------- >> From: hutton >> Reply To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 4:42 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Synch issues, the official electrix response. >> >> Damon ...... When do yo think this new OS will be released? >> >> "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" wrote: >> >>>> IMHO, I'm rather pessemistic. It's not like they didn't have an extra >> year >>>> to fix the problem; the chances are, this is a hardware problem >>> >>> Sigh...It's not a hardware problem but thanks for the expert advice and >> the >>> vote of confidence. >>> >>> Kim was correct in his analysis of our MIDI Clock bug. The 23 pulse is >>> delayed (Nice one Kim). We have fixed this and it will be in the coming >> OS >>> release. >>> >>> Respect, >>> >>> Damon Langlois >>> Creative Director >>> Electrix >>> Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 >>> http://www.electrixpro.com >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 21:36:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23469; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:04:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:04:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Bump issue. Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:51:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com We are looking at reducing the "bump" at the loop splice point. Going immediately into overdub is a bigger deal but is also being looked at. This is the price you might have to pay for 4 tracks per loop. There is a lot more going on under the hood than a mono looper. Let us also put things into perspective. "Blemish free" drones where a contiguous signal passes over the loop point are not really possible with any looper. (Get your sine waves out and try it). It's a matter of making it less audible which is where the multiple overdub technique come in. We want to look at the loop splice point first and see if we can improve this area before we get into the immediate overdub issue, especially since there are work arounds for this. Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 21:38:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24185; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:11:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:11:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 20:58:14 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: RE: Bump issue. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks damon. you guys are amazing and the sooner you get this out the happier your customers will be. but please please don't draw it out too long. you can fix some things now and issue later revisions later. plexus >We are looking at reducing the "bump" at the loop splice point. Going >immediately into overdub is a bigger deal but is also being looked at. This >is the price you might have to pay for 4 tracks per loop. There is a lot >more going on under the hood than a mono looper. > >Let us also put things into perspective. "Blemish free" drones where a >contiguous signal passes over the loop point are not really possible with >any looper. (Get your sine waves out and try it). It's a matter of making it >less audible which is where the multiple overdub technique come in. We want >to look at the loop splice point first and see if we can improve this area >before we get into the immediate overdub issue, especially since there are >work arounds for this. > > >Respect, > >Damon Langlois >Creative Director >Electrix >Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 >http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 22:01:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26794; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:34:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:34:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010912211803.007e3ec0@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:18:03 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Synch issues, the official electrix response. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:56 PM 9/12/01 -0700, Jamie wrote: >We are not giving a specific date yet. It will be announced on the list once >it is available for download. They done been bit by that bug before! 'The man who makes no mistakes does not usually make anything.' - Edward John Phelps -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 22:02:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26971; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:37:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:37:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:28:34 -0400 Subject: Re: Bump issue. From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com damon, did you see my posts about the issue of trying to record a loop while having another loop that is at a changed tempo? i was also asking if it will be possible to buy a card with the update on it. thanks for your time. peace ric hordinski -- monk@fuse.net www.monkmusic.com on 9/12/01 8:51 PM, Damon Langlois (Electrix) at Damon@Electrixpro.com wrote: > We are looking at reducing the "bump" at the loop splice point. Going > immediately into overdub is a bigger deal but is also being looked at. This > is the price you might have to pay for 4 tracks per loop. There is a lot > more going on under the hood than a mono looper. > > Let us also put things into perspective. "Blemish free" drones where a > contiguous signal passes over the loop point are not really possible with > any looper. (Get your sine waves out and try it). It's a matter of making it > less audible which is where the multiple overdub technique come in. We want > to look at the loop splice point first and see if we can improve this area > before we get into the immediate overdub issue, especially since there are > work arounds for this. > > > Respect, > > Damon Langlois > Creative Director > Electrix > Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 > http://www.electrixpro.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 22:19:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29578; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:55:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:55:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BA00F1F.ABF9082F@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 18:42:54 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bump issue. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why not have it (the ability to do directly into overdub) available when recording in stereo only? Or if that's still to hard, have it in mono record mode? I'd still be happy with that. Mark "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" wrote: > We are looking at reducing the "bump" at the loop splice point. Going > immediately into overdub is a bigger deal but is also being looked at. This > is the price you might have to pay for 4 tracks per loop. There is a lot > more going on under the hood than a mono looper. > > Let us also put things into perspective. "Blemish free" drones where a > contiguous signal passes over the loop point are not really possible with > any looper. (Get your sine waves out and try it). It's a matter of making it > less audible which is where the multiple overdub technique come in. We want > to look at the loop splice point first and see if we can improve this area > before we get into the immediate overdub issue, especially since there are > work arounds for this. > > Respect, > > Damon Langlois > Creative Director > Electrix > Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 > http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 22:48:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00905; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:24:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:24:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: Importing & Exporting Repeater WAVs Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:16:42 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So the extra data is like a crossfade to smooth out the loop? And trim cut turns the fade to silence? -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: Damon Langlois (Electrix) [mailto:Damon@Electrixpro.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 2:17 PM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: RE: Importing & Exporting Repeater WAVs When you press record, Repeater has already been recording so you have a little bit extra audio at the beginning of your loop. It also keeps recording a little bit after you finish recording. This give you some buffer material for trimming (among other things). The silence is separate from this. We don't think the silence is a feature but there are reasons why we couldn't get rid of it for the first OS release. It might be something we can do something about in a future OS but definitely not in the next one. So if you "trim cut" you get rid of the extra audio data but not the silence. "trim cut" basically discards anything on the other side of the trim points. This will make the file a little easier to trim the extra stuff of in a PC WAV editor. Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 22:54:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01186; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:29:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:29:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:19:01 -0400 Subject: Re: Bump issue. From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3BA00F1F.ABF9082F@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4t6APD.A._7H.BbBo7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 9/12/01 9:42 PM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > Why not have it (the ability to do directly into overdub) available when > recording in stereo only? Or if that's still to hard, have it in mono record > mode? I'd still be happy with that. STEREO PLEASE!!! > Mark > > "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" wrote: > >> We are looking at reducing the "bump" at the loop splice point. Going >> immediately into overdub is a bigger deal but is also being looked at. This >> is the price you might have to pay for 4 tracks per loop. There is a lot >> more going on under the hood than a mono looper. >> >> Let us also put things into perspective. "Blemish free" drones where a >> contiguous signal passes over the loop point are not really possible with >> any looper. (Get your sine waves out and try it). It's a matter of making it >> less audible which is where the multiple overdub technique come in. We want >> to look at the loop splice point first and see if we can improve this area >> before we get into the immediate overdub issue, especially since there are >> work arounds for this. >> >> Respect, >> >> Damon Langlois >> Creative Director >> Electrix >> Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 >> http://www.electrixpro.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 22:55:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01374; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:31:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:31:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:25:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: The Big Bump issue. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >"Damon Langlois (Electrix)" wrote: > >> We are looking at reducing the "bump" at the loop splice point. Going >> immediately into overdub is a bigger deal but is also being looked at. This >> is the price you might have to pay for 4 tracks per loop. There is a lot >> more going on under the hood than a mono looper. If this is the way it has to be, I can live with it, but it's certainly not ideal. I think the important thing to understand is ending with overdub is about more than just "de-bumping" the loop point. It encourages live, improvisational loop work, without gaps, blemishes, loading of blank "pre-looped" loops, etc. >> We want to look at the loop splice point first and see if we can improve >>this area >> before we get into the immediate overdub issue, especially since there are >> work arounds for this. If ending with loop is a nightmare that can't be done, then we'll have to settle for improved splicing. But since Repeater is about live use, vs. Acid which is about "canned" loops, it would be best if Repeater could do this. I'm curious, since this function was mentioned/requested to Electrix early on, and replied to affirmatively, was there a miscommunication, or did this feature fall out of beta spec at a certain point? Either way, I'm enjoying my Repeater and wish everyone at Electrix the best- Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 22:56:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01370; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:31:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:31:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: Importing & Exporting Repeater WAVs Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:24:29 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3B9FD874.C3E47ADE@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Great point Mark. I'll have to try that! -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 2:50 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Importing & Exporting Repeater WAVs I was able to take Repeater loops and quickly trim the blank parts at the ends of the loop, bring them into a sequencer program at the Repeater's BPM and use them with out any problem. I have yet to try it, but I bet I could replace JUST the part with the audio and bring it back into the Repeater and have it work. How could the Repeater know it was new audio? Should work. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 22:57:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01371; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:31:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:31:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: Importing & Exporting Repeater WAVs Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:24:30 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can you please explain what you mean here? Do you mean that once I press record, a small amount of audio data is *added* to the beginning of the .WAV? How could it be recording before I press record? :o -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: Damon Langlois (Electrix) [mailto:Damon@Electrixpro.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 2:17 PM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: RE: Importing & Exporting Repeater WAVs <...> When you press record, Repeater has already been recording <...> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 23:20:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03211; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:55:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:55:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:49:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: RE: Importing & Exporting Repeater WAVs Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Only the Againimator has built-in precognitive systems, based on secret Russian DNA splicing techniques, however I guess Repeater uses a small, continually adding and dumping buffer region of memory which serves this purpose. Best- Mark >Can you please explain what you mean here? Do you mean that once I press >record, a small amount of audio data is *added* to the beginning of the >.WAV? How could it be recording before I press record? :o > >-- >Tim > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Damon Langlois (Electrix) [mailto:Damon@Electrixpro.com] >Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 2:17 PM >To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' >Subject: RE: Importing & Exporting Repeater WAVs > > <...> When you press record, Repeater has already been recording <...> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 23:20:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03209; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:55:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:55:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ba01c13bfc$ff9a1550$04f9fea9@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <3BA00F1F.ABF9082F@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Bump issue. Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:37:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <3ESW4.A.9l.J2Bo7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually, the suggestion to opt for 'overflow' recording (having the Repeater begin recording seamlessly on a different track in the same loop) sounds at least like it might be more feasible technically, yes? Whether or not a true looping overdub feature was implemented at some point, this would still be an interesting option. FWIW. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:42 PM Subject: Re: Bump issue. > Why not have it (the ability to do directly into overdub) available when > recording in stereo only? Or if that's still to hard, have it in mono record > mode? I'd still be happy with that. > > Mark > > "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" wrote: > > > We are looking at reducing the "bump" at the loop splice point. Going > > immediately into overdub is a bigger deal but is also being looked at. This > > is the price you might have to pay for 4 tracks per loop. There is a lot > > more going on under the hood than a mono looper. > > > > Let us also put things into perspective. "Blemish free" drones where a > > contiguous signal passes over the loop point are not really possible with > > any looper. (Get your sine waves out and try it). It's a matter of making it > > less audible which is where the multiple overdub technique come in. We want > > to look at the loop splice point first and see if we can improve this area > > before we get into the immediate overdub issue, especially since there are > > work arounds for this. > > > > Respect, > > > > Damon Langlois > > Creative Director > > Electrix > > Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 > > http://www.electrixpro.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 23:29:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05030; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 23:04:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 23:04:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: Repeater Synch Workaround. Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:57:04 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3B9F94C3.FD93CE9A@club-internet.fr> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You only have the choice of which tracks you want to *slip*. The trim function affects the overall loop integrity (literally how the trim points make the linear audio seem connected). So you can trim loops (which edits the playback reference points for all four .WAVs) and you can slip tracks (which changes the phasing of one or more tracks in reference to the loop trim settings). At least that's my understanding of it. -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: Emmanuel PERILLE [mailto:perille@club-internet.fr] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:01 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater Synch Workaround. Tim Goodwin wrote : > I think the actual beginning and end points of the WAV file are a direct > function of when record is pressed (which would explain variations in > length). But the track length is also a function of LPA which incorporates > the selected or sync'd tempo to calculate trim points which blend the start > and stop points into a more 'musical/user-friendly loop'. > > As soon as the recording is ended, the playback that we hear is an altered > WAV file - not the true WAV file length. It doesn't seem to be possible to > listen to the actual non-LPA'd WAV on the Repeater, even when I tweak the > trim and trim cut functions. It wasn't until I started messing around with > the WAVs on my PC that I noticed how much different they sound than what I > could monitor on the Repeater. There is a gap at the end of each WAV that > breaks up the continuity of the loop when played back in ACID Xpress and > n-Track. > > -- > Tim let's admit it's true for a first track once recorded, but what about the 3 other tracks then ? I mean do you know if start/end loop points of the 3 other tracks are trimmable like the first track once recorded ? Or do the start/end points or the 3 other tracks are definitively fixed according to the LPA ? Is it truely a quadriphonic loop, or a 4-independent loop track ? EP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 23:52:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06904; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 23:27:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 23:27:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: Repeater Synch Workaround. Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 20:17:23 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <005d01c13b9c$07d808a0$080210ac@jpalmer> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <8Er4BB.A.cYB.tQCo7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As Damon mentioned, this still leaves silence at the beginning and end of the .WAV. This extra bit of audio has to be manually removed in a .WAV editor program. I'm now thinking that a simple "save as" function will let me save Repeater .WAVs in an ACID folder without changing the original file at all. Then I can tweak them in ACID to match the bpm, tempo, etc. This 'cloning' method will be an 'okay' workaround until Electrix decides to fix this. -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: jim palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:03 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater Synch Workaround. are you guys trimming the wav. i don't have the manual in front of me, but i think you hold the trim button for ~1 second. this trims the wav files according to the loop start and end points... > As soon as the recording is ended, the playback that we hear is an altered > WAV file - not the true WAV file length. It doesn't seem to be possible to > listen to the actual non-LPA'd WAV on the Repeater, even when I tweak the > trim and trim cut functions. It wasn't until I started messing around with > the WAVs on my PC that I noticed how much different they sound than what I > could monitor on the Repeater. There is a gap at the end of each WAV that > breaks up the continuity of the loop when played back in ACID Xpress and > n-Track. > > -- > Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 00:41:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA11056; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 00:16:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 00:16:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005401c13c08$c24b3c40$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Eric Williamson" From: "Eric Williamson" To: Subject: Line6 Echo Pro heads-up AKA you think you have sync issues now hahahahahahahaha Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 23:01:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <3DvzLC.A.ShC.KADo7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i've got to hand it to electrix for actually talking to it's customers and responding to their issues. and for the promise of OS updates. i just got off the phone with Line6 (an act which itself took weeks of calling, and then finding a PR rep number buried in a press release) where i was informed in no uncertain terms that the Echo Pro a) will not have stereo looping b) does not need stereo looping c) has NO sync provision for looping d) needs no sync provision for looping (or any way to accurately define loop points) because it's "just for fun". what an asshole. i mean, i'll admit that i couldn't stop laughing when he said sync was not possible but ... it's the year 2001 for god don don. here's the skinny: - MIDI sync only available on non-loop-sampler programs - no sync on loop sampler (i'm assuming you could send CC messages with a sequencer, but i think that's just too much silliness) - no "dialing in" of delay time in looper mode - All delays stereo EXCEPT loop sampler - non-loop-sampler delays are a maximum of 2.5 seconds - looper functionality not better because it's "just for fun" - he also said they were not interested in this market (even though it says 60-SECOND LOOP SAMPLER on the front panel) anyway, i'm off to go order a repeater now. i suggest more do the same so these "wish lists" of yours have a possibility of being implemented. no i don't remember this rep's name ... i'm sorry. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 01:47:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16787; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 01:22:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 01:22:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: REPEATER wish list Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:14:43 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <90.19b6609b.28d082ab@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How do you "pre-arm" a track for exactly one octave down? Are you suggesting setting CC#28, 29, 30 or 31 (for track 1-4, respectively) to a value of 0-5 (which is exactly -12 semitones)? And how do hear what you're playing if the track slider is set to zero? Not all bass lines are roots and 5ths, ya know! ;) -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: PMimlitsch@aol.com [mailto:PMimlitsch@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 2:20 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: REPEATER wish list In a message dated 9/12/01 2:43:45 AM, robert_deveaux@yahoo.com writes: << I want to use the guitar to record bass lines without spinning & spinning & spinning the pitch dial on the repeater. >> Pre arm the track to record at an octave down, record with slider volume off, bring bass line up into mix. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 02:13:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA18354; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 01:50:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 01:50:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.20.137.18] From: "Joe Dallarda" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT- WTC Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 05:34:44 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Sep 2001 05:34:44.0994 (UTC) FILETIME=[CB8ADE20:01C13C15] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank God for people who know what they're talking about. j. >There are reasons why people in other countries feel differently about >America's actions. The rest of the world does not get their news >spoon fed >to them from the whitehouse, sandwhiched between the >titilating >discussions of politician's sex lives and the latest Jerry >Springer pablum >that passes for news on CNN. They know about the >children dieing in Iraq >due to sanctions, and a myriad of other rather >gruesome the US government >has engineered, that I won't bother to get >into on a Looper's list. If you >want more than the mindless revenge >that passes for justice these days, >you have to find out what made >these people so agrieved they decided to >kill themselves, otherwise >they'll just continue; there are plenty more >where they came from. I'm >pretty certain that all we will see now is more >violence and >more >atrocities, from both sides. Words cannot express the >grief of knowing >what is to come. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 02:29:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA20004; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 02:04:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 02:04:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BA04912.F364165B@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:50:10 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Importing & Exporting Repeater WAVs References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why stop there? How the hell does any of this crap do what it does? It's all magic to me. I have vauge ideas of code and transistors, and I can write a tiny bit of C++, but when I think of what loopers like the EDP and Repeater are doing, it blows my mind. What I understand to happen from the manual, is that when you cue up a new loop, a tiny bit of audio gets recorded (there's a half second wait for a new loop) the Repeater then inserts your audio in the middle of that silence, so you've got some blank on both ends. The blank is so you can add a little silence on either end, if you need to using the trim function, which I'm assuming can give negitive trim. Which also is a term that can describe large portions of my love life. Mark Sottilaro Tim Goodwin wrote: > Can you please explain what you mean here? Do you mean that once I press > record, a small amount of audio data is *added* to the beginning of the > .WAV? How could it be recording before I press record? :o > > -- > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: Damon Langlois (Electrix) [mailto:Damon@Electrixpro.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 2:17 PM > To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' > Subject: RE: Importing & Exporting Repeater WAVs > > <...> When you press record, Repeater has already been recording <...> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 02:32:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA20285; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 02:09:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 02:09:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BA04A35.96A6A0AE@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:55:00 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Big Bump issue. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not sure why you don't just record a blank loop first, at your desired tempo/length and then, open it back up and start playing. I do it with big pad-like volume swells all the time, and it works fine. No bump. This is the only way you could do it on the JamMan as well. The EDP will finish a loop and keep you in record, I understand, but I'm not sure if anything else does. Hope this helps, Mark Sottilaro Mark Landman wrote: > >"Damon Langlois (Electrix)" wrote: > > > >> We are looking at reducing the "bump" at the loop splice point. Going > >> immediately into overdub is a bigger deal but is also being looked at. This > >> is the price you might have to pay for 4 tracks per loop. There is a lot > >> more going on under the hood than a mono looper. > > If this is the way it has to be, I can live with it, but it's certainly not > ideal. I think the important thing to understand is ending with overdub is > about more than just "de-bumping" the loop point. It encourages live, > improvisational loop work, without gaps, blemishes, loading of blank > "pre-looped" loops, etc. > > >> We want to look at the loop splice point first and see if we can improve > >>this area > >> before we get into the immediate overdub issue, especially since there are > >> work arounds for this. > > If ending with loop is a nightmare that can't be done, then we'll have to > settle for improved splicing. But since Repeater is about live use, vs. > Acid which is about "canned" loops, it would be best if Repeater could do > this. > > I'm curious, since this function was mentioned/requested to Electrix early > on, and replied to affirmatively, was there a miscommunication, or did this > feature fall out of beta spec at a certain point? > > Either way, I'm enjoying my Repeater and wish everyone at Electrix the best- > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 03:00:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA21513; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 02:36:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 02:36:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: OT- WTC Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 23:21:36 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com lol. That's a matter of opinion, both with regard to the previous comments, and yours. k. > Thank God for people who know what they're talking about. > j. > > >There are reasons why people in other countries feel differently about > >America's actions. The rest of the world does not get their news > >spoon fed > >to them from the whitehouse, sandwhiched between the >titilating > >discussions of politician's sex lives and the latest Jerry > >Springer pablum > >that passes for news on CNN. They know about the >children > dieing in Iraq > >due to sanctions, and a myriad of other rather >gruesome the US > government > >has engineered, that I won't bother to get >into on a Looper's > list. If you > >want more than the mindless revenge >that passes for justice these days, > >you have to find out what made >these people so agrieved they decided to > >kill themselves, otherwise >they'll just continue; there are plenty more > >where they came from. I'm >pretty certain that all we will see > now is more > >violence and >more >atrocities, from both sides. Words cannot > express the > >grief of knowing >what is to come. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 03:08:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA21791; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 02:46:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 02:46:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.20.137.18] From: "Joe Dallarda" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT:9/11/01 Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 06:31:47 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Sep 2001 06:31:48.0002 (UTC) FILETIME=[C3D07020:01C13C1D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I love New York so much. How could anyone be so horrible? /t So do I, so do I. No matter how many times I saw that plane hit, and the tower exploding and crumbling to the street on the tv, each time I felt like I was getting punched, hard, in the gut, thinking of all the people who were dying. I was hardly able to sleep last night. But as far as how anyone can be so horrible, as you said, there are are very concrete reasons for it, as some people on the list have mentioned. I hate to say, but this act is pretty much political karma. We can't brutalize other countries, developing, or "third world countries" either directly, as in the case of Iraq, or indirectly, as in the case of Iran under the Shah, or the Palestinians through our support (political, selling of arms, etc) of Israel without the brutality eventually making its way back home to us. These are just a few examples, obviously, as there are many from Latin America also, as Andy pointed out in an earlier post. America is the bully of the worlds playground, and the Americans on this list (and I am one of them) should be aware of this. (By the way, I hope I dont end up sounding pedantic, or insulting to anyone's intelligence, if I do, sorry). Please dont make the mistake of thinking that I'm saying I condone what happened- I'm just saying there are a lot of reasons why a lot of people in the developing world are taking a lot of satisfaction in our pain- based on their experience of what the American government is like, and how it has affected them, they see it, and quite reasonably so, as the little guy giving the big bad bully of the global school yard one hell of an unbelievable sucker punch. The Palestinians arent celebrating what happened yesterday because they are "crazy," "radical," "fundamentalist," or innately "bad" or violent somehow. We have given them, by our actions, a lot of reason to do so. Who is a terrorist, and who is a nationalist/freedom-fighter? The only difference between the two, the only thing deciding what word you use is who's side yer on. We need to find out more about why things like this happen- not simply exhibit knee-jerk reactions and bark jingoistic nonsense. Meanwhile the innocent suffer for the sins of the few in power. This is totally inapropriate for a list about looping, but having spent a lot of time in the West Bank and also having lived in Egypt, certain posts have just made it too hard for me to stay in lurk mode. I really dont want to start a politcal type flame war though, so if any one really feels the need to attack me please do it off-list, preferably not for a sustained period of time. Peace, j. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 03:33:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA23935; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 03:08:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 03:08:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.20.137.18] From: "Joe Dallarda" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Apology (not for what said but where & when) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 06:53:03 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Sep 2001 06:53:04.0093 (UTC) FILETIME=[BC6C78D0:01C13C20] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been away from the PC for a while so I responded to earlier posts (I get the digest) when this thread, rightly so, had already become officially unwelcome in later ones I hadn't read yet. Sorry. Back to looping................ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 04:27:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA27982; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 04:03:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 04:03:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <023401c13c28$75bf1520$6401a8c0@nc.rr.com> Reply-To: "diatom drone" From: "diatom drone" To: References: <3BA04A35.96A6A0AE@zerocrossing.net> Subject: repeater digital out and a mixer problem Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 03:48:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anyone used this to record a wav file yet? i'm quite new to s/pdif and i'd like to see if i can get a cleaner recording than going through my mixer, which seems to be doing something screwy. i'm currently using a sound blaster live (i know, i know) until i can swing an upgrade. anyone know how to get the sb to "listen" to the digital out using, say, sound forge? there's not a lot about it in the manual (but in fairness it's not a primary feature)or else i wouldn't bug. oh yeah, the screwy mixer thing: i like to improvise with a few things feeding the mixer and record the stereo output to a .wav file which later gets cut up for loops. sometimes, often enough to bother me, the right channel ends up louder when it shouldn't be. i checked to make sure everything that might cause that was accounted for, but i can't find any overlooked goofs on my part. faders, trimmers, etc are all where they should be. i'm not sure if it's the card or my mixer. i sure hope it's the card! the experiment: i recorded the exact same sound onto two tracks on the repeater, leaving both tracks centered. so, the same signal should be on both channels, right? i routed the repeater's outputs to a pair of mono channels, each with identical fader/trimmer/eq settings. the wav file had the same problem. so, i don't think the repeater's the culprit at all, as it's happened before today. i've occasionally had cases where a stereo effect only seems to come in strong on one channel (with some pitch shift patches on a kaoss pad for example). so, maybe it's just the way i'm doing things? any guidance would be appreciated, i'm still sorta new to using hardware to get what i want. thanks! Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 04:30:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA28114; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 04:06:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 04:06:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: mark.red@involvelearning.com Subject: Re: OT - 9-11-01 -- looping prayers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.4 June 8, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 09:48:57 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on mail/External/InvolveLearning(Release 5.0.3 (Intl)|21 March 2000) at 09/13/2001 10:12:50 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <_1_iK.A.-aG.BWGo7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "petr" m> cc: Subject: Re: OT - 9-11-01 -- looping prayers 12/09/2001 22:16 Please respond to Loopers-Delig ht >I actually am thinking a lot about looping positive energy, verbal or >making a loop containing a positive energy, although then kept >mechanically running, could be seen in the same way as engraving >sacred symbols into a rock, making icons, or whatever else in this >realm. ... and i suppose engraving sacred symbols into a rock, making icons, or whatever else HELP in some way??? Considering the perpetrator of this discusting and cowardly act is an insane religeous idiot, maybe we could do without this pseudo new age hippy claptrap please,at least for now? It just depresses me how many freaks there are in this world, believing all sorts of s**t. Looping and drones and ostinato and repetition DO create a particular feeling, a power, but it is a musical power and musical feeling; no magic, no "positive energy"...man! my deepest sympathies to all involved. Mark Red From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 04:37:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA28476; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 04:13:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 04:13:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 05:02:03 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: Repeater Synch Workaround. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >As Damon mentioned, this still leaves silence at the beginning and end of >the .WAV. This extra bit of audio has to be manually removed in a .WAV >editor program. I'm now thinking that a simple "save as" function will let >me save Repeater .WAVs in an ACID folder without changing the original file >at all. Then I can tweak them in ACID to match the bpm, tempo, etc. This >'cloning' method will be an 'okay' workaround until Electrix decides to fix >this. wouldnt it be wiser to keep the extra bits and use them for a cross fade in ACID? coudnt there be some convention about it so the transfer between the machines would be seemless to the user? maybe the ACID creators are not aware that we are discussing things that they may be interested in. Anyway, they could find customers here... should we invite them? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 04:38:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA28475; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 04:13:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 04:13:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 05:01:38 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: OT PEACE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <5e1nyC.A.6wG.CfGo7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim, I think in some situations some things can be said anywhere. I guess thats why you did not react first. We are some kind of a family, I feel, and wherever international groups meet, there is a chance to balance out the world as such. But you are right, there is no space for history discussions or personal conflicts here. Anyway, emotioned, I feel free to post what I wrote on a CD cover last year: Peace is not achieved by suppressing violence. It takes comprehension and the ability to share right. Its a state of mind of someone that acts the best he can and feels respected for this. Its not brilliant but it glooms in the dark. Like my music, its somehow related to childhood. And this is my impression and prayer: I deeply feel sorry for all the people that do suffer now and in the future and hope all this suffering has a meaning and contributes to the healing of the Being World. What can be done? Not many doubt that the US is the strongest nation, also after this attack. It takes a lot of responsibility to be the strongest and even if he makes all efforts to be just and support the weaker, there is always a tendency to be challenged and blamed for all. The US need to deal with this. But wherever I listen and read, I only find critics for the US-centric and unwise politics of Mr. Bush that tends in a US-against-rest direction. I hope he does not really represent his peoples will and can be redirected. This may be the most efficient move against terrorism. Many people out here hope that the catastrophe shakes the US up to rethink the situation in the world and the necessary measures to safe it and leader them in accordance with the "weak's" efforts. This may be a way to justify that the US commands and spends such a big part of the natural ressources. (I placed the World at Night picture on that CD) The first reactions of US did not really fuel this hope. I find the impulse of anger fully understandable, but WAIT and THINK and FEEL before you throw bombs, otherwise we are ALL FRIED - my God ! And this is my situation:-) There are a lot of interesting things to discuss on the list. I would like to participate. Many mails are too long. I have a hard time to dig out the essence in so many mails, but to post correctly, I need the whole picture. Due to some personal movements, I could not ketch up for two weeks and stock my posts here to finish them up soon. Sorry for this. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 04:39:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA28536; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 04:15:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 04:15:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010912015445.025b6848@loopers-delight.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010910144930.04d2ebe8@pop1.sympatico.ca> <5.1.0.14.2.20010912015445.025b6848@loopers-delight.com> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 05:03:39 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Repeater: Persistent Problems with Sync Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <0vde8.A.z0G.0gGo7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I was curious what happens then when you change tempos. The repeater >tempo doesn't directly follow the input clock, ramps at it's own >rate to the new tempo. So if you make a radical tempo jump on your >midi clock master, Repeater will ramp there and can take quite a bit >longer to reach the new tempo, especially if you are slowing down. >since tempos of repeater and other devices are different during this >ramp, they end up completely out of sync when repeater finally >settles to the new tempo. So that's not real useful. We probably will have to accept that it does not jump tightly with an external tempo change, that would only be possible with word clock. But after the ramp, sync should be reestablished correctly. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 04:40:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA28534; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 04:15:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 04:15:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <004201c13bc7$d9cce8a0$1f416f40@oemcomputer> <004401c13bce$699a34a0$0301a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 05:02:42 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: earthsync Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>1. Binaural beats entrain brainwaves. >> >>There is an idea called a "binaural beat". >> >>if you play a 200 Hz tone in the left ear >>and a 208 Hz tone in the right ear, >>you hear the "difference frequency" of 8 Hz >> >>and you get that same frequency emphasized in your >>brain waves (this is called "entrainment"). > >nice idea... yes, it sounds very harmonic... > >there is some new age guy doing this stuff...hmmm....Anugama, i >think? i'll check at home tonight. the liner notes on his stuff >are very over the top about innovations and proprietary techniques >to get your mind in sync with the alpha patterns and aligning >yourself with the planets and all... > >my wife uses them for yoga classes...some interesting things, >especially his disc "Shamanic Dream", which, IMO is very good and is >dreamy and trippy just enough to keep it interesting beyond new age >hooey... although i prefer to put in on low for candlelit romantic >evenings rather than meditating...hmmm...who's to say how one man >stills his mind vs. another, i guess? right, its delicate... as long as there are master and slaves in a synced system, I dont trust it... Why dont you start the experience with BrotherSync :-) ? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 04:42:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA28748; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 04:18:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 04:18:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 05:06:31 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: Importing & Exporting Repeater WAVs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Can you please explain what you mean here? Do you mean that once I press >record, a small amount of audio data is *added* to the beginning of the >.WAV? How could it be recording before I press record? :o thats easy, just keep the last few samples allways in some fifo buffer. >-- >Tim > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Damon Langlois (Electrix) [mailto:Damon@Electrixpro.com] >Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 2:17 PM >To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' >Subject: RE: Importing & Exporting Repeater WAVs > > <...> When you press record, Repeater has already been recording <...> -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 04:44:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA28911; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 04:20:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 04:20:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3B9F2D38.74501951@pathcom.com> References: <3B9F2D38.74501951@pathcom.com> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 05:06:18 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Electrix No More? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >You just did start a rumour !..... do not believe every thing you hear >....... Do you really believe Damon should respond to you paranoia? I like your directness, hutton! :-) > >Brett Maraldo wrote: > >> I don't want to start a rumour, but i heard that Electrix is in >> financial trouble. when i think about it, it does seem strange to >> unload all their products and put all their eggs in one basket. >> >> Damon, can you give us some sense of whats going on over there and >> hopefully squash this rumour? >> >> thanks >> plexus -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 04:50:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA29179; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 04:26:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 04:26:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010913081407.9228.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 01:14:07 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: OT - 9-11-01 -- looping prayers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh mannnnnn! I wish you had posted this BEFORE I tattooed all those runes on my dork! John --- mark.red@involvelearning.com wrote: > ... and i suppose engraving sacred symbols into a > rock, making icons, or > whatever else HELP in some way??? > > Considering the perpetrator of this discusting and > cowardly act is an > insane religeous idiot, maybe we could do without > this pseudo new age hippy > claptrap please,at least for now? It just depresses > me how many freaks > there are in this world, believing all sorts of > s**t. > Looping and drones and ostinato and repetition DO > create a particular > feeling, a power, but it is a musical power and > musical feeling; no magic, > no "positive energy"...man! > > my deepest sympathies to all involved. > > Mark Red ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 04:56:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA29436; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 04:32:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 04:32:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000f01c13bc7$67b79620$0301a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010912110929.064600f8@loopers-delight.com> <000f01c13bc7$67b79620$0301a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 05:17:40 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Midi Clock Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <-ardmB.A.t-G.BuGo7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Holy crap- EDP has tap tempo? I think in this context, a silent Record equals it. In the upgrade, we also offer bpm dial tempo control so you can trigger a ready a drum loop correctly - or simply match the notation... You can also save some presets with tempos. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 05:12:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA30862; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 04:48:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 04:48:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 05:35:19 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: OT - 9-11-01 -- looping prayers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >I actually am thinking a lot about looping positive energy, verbal or >>making a loop containing a positive energy, although then kept > >mechanically running, could be seen in the same way as engraving > >sacred symbols into a rock, making icons, or whatever else in this >>realm. Mark Red reacted >... and i suppose engraving sacred symbols into a rock, making icons, or >whatever else HELP in some way??? > >Considering the perpetrator of this discusting and cowardly act is an >insane religeous idiot, maybe we could do without this pseudo new age hippy >claptrap please,at least for now? It just depresses me how many freaks >there are in this world, believing all sorts of s**t. >Looping and drones and ostinato and repetition DO create a particular >feeling, a power, but it is a musical power and musical feeling; no magic, >no "positive energy"...man! Sorry, I liked what Petr said. Its ok if you dont, but there is no reason to become nervous. A big part of the world believes in magic power of music. If there is no such thing for you, please let the rest of us try to find the "positive energy". Did you get harmed by Hippies? Mantras have been arround for a very long time in many cultures and they are basically loops, so it continues an issue on this list. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 05:13:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA30861; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 04:48:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 04:48:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010913011337.04643fd0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 01:33:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: The Big Bump issue. In-Reply-To: <3BA04A35.96A6A0AE@zerocrossing.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:55 PM 9/12/2001, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >I'm not sure why you don't just record a blank loop first, at your desired >tempo/length and then, open it back up and start playing. I do it with big >pad-like volume swells all the time, and it works fine. No bump. This is the >only way you could do it on the JamMan as well. The EDP will finish a >loop and >keep you in record, I understand, but I'm not sure if anything else does. I believe this is accomplished in the jamman using the delay mode, right? The reason why pre-recording the loop first is unworkable for most people is because you want the loop length defined by what you are playing and not the other way around. If you are improvising, you probably don't really know how long the loop will before you start, and it can be rather difficult to play into a predefined loop length and get the timing right. You certainly don't want to sit there in front of your audience doing nothing while you wait for this empty loop to record! and this is not just about ambient sound washes either, as Mark L mentioned. All types of looping use this technique. Being able to overdub immediately after recording is a fundamental looping technique that has basically been in existence since the 60's. (or maybe earlier, I'm sure somebody can correct me.) Since the early/mid 90's we've been freed of having to preset loop lengths, with the arrival of devices like the Pardis Loop/Delay, the jamman, and the EDP where you could tap the loop lengths on the fly. Why should we be going backwards now? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 05:16:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA31066; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 04:52:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 04:52:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003801c13c2f$cee92580$7c44f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200109130547.BAA18063@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: re: Line6 Echo Pro Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 01:40:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <2Butv.A.uZH.aDHo7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Eric for the skinny on this box. I was so horny to buy one and your research just nipped my plans in the bud..............thanks, you just saved me 500 clams: no sync capabilities and no stereo looping? what are these people thinking about? And, after seeing the beautiful sets of Steve Lawson, my dream solo looper was the Line 6 DL-4 with Midi sync capabilities. Wow, I never thought I'd see the day, but I think I will actually hang on to my ancient Jampersons..........at least we were able to sync our entire Bass Looping Tour with them (mono, shitty fidelity and all, god bless their pointed little heads). Oh well, I've been on vacation for a couple of weeks. Do I have it right that the REPEATER is also having syncing problems? What's a poor looper to do............. ...........yours, bewilderedly, Loop.pooL (aka Rick) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 05:23:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA31368; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 04:58:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 04:58:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 02:11:10 -0700 From: glenn Subject: Re: OT - 9-11-01 -- looping prayers In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 9/13/01 12:48 AM, mark.red@involvelearning.com at mark.red@involvelearning.com wrote: > It just depresses me how many freaks > there are in this world, believing all sorts of s**t. Mark, It seems like you have a lot of emotions in this, that's easy to understand. But would you send an email to a church congregation telling them to get a grip that everyone knows there's no god and prayer doesn't do anything and why don't they "f...ing" get a grip and do something more productive with their energy! even if you don't believe in God, at least their hearts are in the right place, at least they are trying to be positive, also, you never know... and if your life were a tv show would you really want to see your character doing that? Would you do the same thing to people who were chanting for peace? why not extend that same benefit of the doubt/courtesy to people with other, less mainstream belief systems? One really great way to be of service to your fellow men and women in this time of need is to be a leader, by modelling the ideals of what it really should mean to be "an american": to embrace difference as a strength, to be willing to stand up for the rights of anyone based on their race, religion, ancestry, size, shape, color, as we would hope they would do the same for us, because it's the right thing to do. To be willing to die to protect the right of someone who's doing something you might not even like, because you believe the ideals of freedom are more important than our individual lives. That's what the people who died fighting for our freedom from the British did. It's where we came from, at least in ideology, and while at times it gets pretty thin(especially with the racism, slavery, genocides and terrorism we've perpetrated even in the acquisition of this land), without it we'd surely be lost. BTW, i think it's healthy to accomodate this issue for the time being since we are human beings and all, to aid in the healing process. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 05:46:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA01066; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 05:22:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 05:22:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Midi Clock Message-ID: <1000372054.3ba077563c69d@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 05:07:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Williamson References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010912110929.064600f8@loopers-delight.com> <000f01c13bc7$67b79620$0301a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 216.166.195.90 Resent-Message-ID: <4WcXUD.A.IH.hdHo7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting Matthias Grob : > In the upgrade, we also offer bpm dial tempo control so you can > trigger a ready a drum loop correctly - or simply match the > notation... > You can also save some presets with tempos. that's frippin' rad dude. i always had to "prime" the loop beforehand as i never did get that whole on- the-fly-time-capture process. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 05:57:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA01390; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 05:32:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 05:32:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3BA04A35.96A6A0AE@zerocrossing.net> References: <3BA04A35.96A6A0AE@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 06:19:58 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: The Big Bump issue. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I'm not sure why you don't just record a blank loop first, at your desired >tempo/length and then, open it back up and start playing. I do it with big >pad-like volume swells all the time, and it works fine. No bump. This is the >only way you could do it on the JamMan as well. The EDP will finish >a loop and >keep you in record, I understand, but I'm not sure if anything else does. - because you may be playing before you set up the blank loop, so you would either have a separate input control or stop playing while you set it up. - even in a washy loop, there may be an acurate tempo, so I much prefer to tap this for what I actually play instead of having to keep the "silent timing". -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 06:08:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA01776; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 05:44:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 05:44:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: OT - 9-11-01 -- looping prayers Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 02:30:16 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think Mark's comments quite appropriately reflected the immense frustration and sadness we all feel that looping, engraving, making icons, etc., doesn't really do anything in a very tangible way to save one of those already lost, or prevent the loss of even one more citizen. I didn't respond to the earlier post because I figure each to his own - we're all working through our pain in our own way. For me, I have been writing a lot of lyrics. But I also feel the anger and the frustration too, and I can understand exactly where Mark was coming from. Kevin > > >I actually am thinking a lot about looping positive energy, verbal or > >>making a loop containing a positive energy, although then kept > > >mechanically running, could be seen in the same way as engraving > > >sacred symbols into a rock, making icons, or whatever else in this > >>realm. > > Mark Red reacted > > >... and i suppose engraving sacred symbols into a rock, making icons, or > >whatever else HELP in some way??? > > > >Considering the perpetrator of this discusting and cowardly act is an > >insane religeous idiot, maybe we could do without this pseudo > new age hippy > >claptrap please,at least for now? It just depresses me how many freaks > >there are in this world, believing all sorts of s**t. > >Looping and drones and ostinato and repetition DO create a particular > >feeling, a power, but it is a musical power and musical feeling; > no magic, > >no "positive energy"...man! > > Sorry, I liked what Petr said. Its ok if you dont, but there is no > reason to become nervous. A big part of the world believes in magic > power of music. If there is no such thing for you, please let the > rest of us try to find the "positive energy". > Did you get harmed by Hippies? > Mantras have been arround for a very long time in many cultures and > they are basically loops, so it continues an issue on this list. > -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 06:09:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA01828; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 05:46:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 05:46:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: OT - 9-11-01 -- looping prayers Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 02:36:19 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, you succeeded in spreading "negative energy" with just a few simple keystrokes. Way to go... Red! FWIW, something doesn't have to be scientific to be *meaningful*. -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: mark.red@involvelearning.com [mailto:mark.red@involvelearning.com] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:49 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - 9-11-01 -- looping prayers Looping and drones and ostinato and repetition DO create a particular feeling, a power, but it is a musical power and musical feeling; no magic, no "positive energy"...man! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 06:09:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA01830; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 05:46:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 05:46:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: OT - 9-11-01 -- looping prayers Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 02:31:35 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 In-Reply-To: <20010913081407.9228.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Now THAT'S funny! ROFL. Thanks for the brightest spot in my day John. Can you do this again tomorrow? Kevin > > Oh mannnnnn! I wish you had posted this BEFORE I > tattooed all those runes on my dork! > > John > > > --- mark.red@involvelearning.com wrote: > > ... and i suppose engraving sacred symbols into a > > rock, making icons, or > > whatever else HELP in some way??? > > > > Considering the perpetrator of this discusting and > > cowardly act is an > > insane religeous idiot, maybe we could do without > > this pseudo new age hippy > > claptrap please,at least for now? It just depresses > > me how many freaks > > there are in this world, believing all sorts of > > s**t. > > Looping and drones and ostinato and repetition DO > > create a particular > > feeling, a power, but it is a musical power and > > musical feeling; no magic, > > no "positive energy"...man! > > > > my deepest sympathies to all involved. > > > > Mark Red > > > ===== > John Tidwell > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? > Donate cash, emergency relief information > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 06:10:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA01836; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 05:46:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 05:46:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: Line6 Echo Pro Message-ID: <1000373567.3ba07d3fbba91@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 05:32:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Williamson References: <200109130547.BAA18063@hemlock.violacea.com> <003801c13c2f$cee92580$7c44f93f@dnlsh01> In-Reply-To: <003801c13c2f$cee92580$7c44f93f@dnlsh01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 216.166.195.90 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" : > Do I have it right > that the REPEATER is also having syncing problems? yes and no, apparently. it depends on how you work. if you do what would be instinctive upon opening the box, as the customer they advertise to, yes it does have problems. it doesn't seem like it has problems for the way i'm accustomed to work (and would have started using the 'Peater upon arrival), though. i believe they will fix these issues with software, though. at least they appear to behave in good faith. i'm glad that there's a mailing list that so many developers and performance masters subscribe and post to alongside minor, incidental loopers such as myself. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 06:47:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA04166; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 06:20:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 06:20:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 11:09:04 +0100 Subject: Re: OT:9/11/01 From: roberto To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id GAA03596 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear loopers I apologise in advance for the length of this message. If you are not interested in the debate that has started following the unspeakable horror of Tuesday's massacre hit the delete button now. I dare put forward my opinion as I believe this discussion to be very important and this group of so many different people an example of how civilised coexistence is possible and fruitful. People in the USA have access to information and education, one would expect them to be able to look at reality with their own eyes, yet the majority seem to believe the most incredible lies their leaders tell them. How could you expect people who have been born in total ignorance and misery to do better than that? They believe what their leaders tell them. Their leaders tell them that the west is the enemy and the responsible for the desperate situation they live in. >From the beginning of time powers have needed an external enemy to justify their existence and make their people obey. Societies NEED an enemy, that's too often what keeps them together and what enables whoever is in power to keep the position. As long as people are scared of an external enemy that is threatening to destroy their way of life, they stick together and are willing to fight and die, without questioning. It is too easy to believe that a group of people, another nation or religious group, is responsible for our problems. It allows us to avoid looking at our own faults. Highly civilised Germans in the '30s were made to believe the crisis in their country was the fault of the Jews, and we all know the results. That is only one of countless examples history has to offer. Despite the historical lesson Israel has been applying more or less the same principles to the Palestinians. Were Germans evil? Are Israeli evil? Are the Palestinian evil? Reality can be looked at from many angles. From the point of view of people who were born in poor, hopeless and deprived countries it is very difficult to feel sympathy for the Americans and people from western countries in general. If you go to any of these countries and live with the people for a while you may catch a glimpse of the reasons why. This doesn't justify killing or terrorism, but it helps understanding the roots of the problem and, possibly, finding real solutions. Until the day these roots will be eradicated there will be no chance for peace. We can kill every terrorist on the planet, more will take their place immediately, with even more hatred for those who killed the ones before them. If the same young person who is trained to become a terrorist in some Arab country were to be born in the States he would probably end up in the Marines, being trained to become a killer of terrorists, a paladin of freedom, or maybe he would become one of the many serial killers, child abusers or drug dealers we too often hear about. Or maybe he would find a job, buy a house, have childrenŠ As soon as we resort to killing to revenge or defend ourselves we create more reasons and opportunities for more killing and revenge. This doesn't mean one should accept and become a victim. It means that as long as the reasons, social, political, economical, that are at the origin of this perverse system aren't removed there is no retaliation that will work, no forceful solution to the problem. Making a scarecrow of Islam (or any other generalised group) is wrong. If you get to know Muslim people you soon realise that most are wonderful human beings. Just like most Christians, Jews, Hindi and so on. Most Muslim people are peaceful, love and respect their family; their ways are just different from ours, we weren't all made in one factory! On the other hand there are plenty of "good God-fearing Christians" in civilised western countries who abuse their wives and children, who steal, rape, torture, kill, commit all sort of atrocities; just as many as from any other part of the world, of any religion and culture. The problem is that we don't realise how much our lives are conditioned by the choices of a few shrewd people who only care about their power and wealth. Who profits from wars if not those who produce weapons, those who gain new trades from the defeated countries and new power in the winning ones? President Kennedy's assassination and the plot around it should have been enough to hint to the American public that they had very dangerous enemies amidst them. It should have been a sufficient indication of how far economical and political powers can go to achieve their goals. I don't know who is behind this latest and most gruesome attack against humankind, but I will find it difficult to believe when someone will be pointed at as the culprit. This is pure speculation, but I wouldn't be surprised if behind some fanatic mad terrorist who acted as the killing hand there was the cold brain of someone not too far from us, someone with a very respectable public image, someone known as a benefactor. Someone who will remain unknown to us all. We can justifiably feel horror for the Taliban, what they are doing to their own people is horrific enough. But we should also question why the Taliban is there, who allowed them to gain power. There are many indications pointing to several multinationals, mainly oil companies, who secretly supported the Taliban as it was the most "controllable and predictable" of the groups that could have gained power in Afghanistan. Myth or frightening reality? Whatever it is, wars or indeed terrible acts of terrorism like the one is now in front of our eyes are useful and profitable to some people. It may well be a young crazed Islamic terrorist who ultimately carries out the carnage, but killing any number of these will not remove the problem and avoid similar or worst cases in the future. We can give a name to some individuals like Saddam Hussein or Gheddafi but we can't even imagine who makes them possible. Most of these are puppets, extremely dangerous, nevertheless they wouldn't exist without the support of international capital. Hitler wouldn't have been able to do anything without the support of the German industrialists. Most of the modern wars wouldn't be waged without the support of those who handle economic powers (and keep their money in respectable Swiss banks), of those who produce weapons, of those who mass market heavy drugs. Does anybody know how many small but lethal atomic bombs are in the hands of several fanatic terrorist groups? How many have means of producing lethal chemical weapons? How easy it is for these to slip unnoticed and be deployed anywhere anytime? Ideas like Bush's "Star Wars" sound so pathetic that it's hard to believe that anybody in their right mind could take them seriously. There is a network of very practical and real connections that can explain wars and terrorism. It may be beyond our comprehension, but we can't be so blind as to accept the stories we are told and support acts that will only make things worst. As long as "developing countries" are kept underdeveloped through the stranglehold of international debt we will see the situation deteriorating. More and more people will hate us living in the western countries, more and more people will leave those countries, running away from war and starvation, to come and try to be part of the dream we sold them wholesale over the last 50 years: Come to the land of freedom, where your human value is measured in terms of your purchasing power, where you exist only if you consume, buy, own. The lands where people have forgotten they are mortal, where everything is planned, assured and insured. Nothing left to chance, nothing left to natural course. Powerful man against nature. Powerful man that feels so vulnerable when the dream shatters like it did Tueday in a matter of minutes and at the cost of so many lives! Death is present in everyday life in most of the world. In the west we have removed it, we see it enacted in movies, it almost doesn't touch us, it's always somewhere else, sanitised and surreal. The images of the towers collapsing and the chilling sensation of knowing that in that instant thousands of lives were being crushed before of our eyes will remain with us forever. Let it be at least a reason to think and do the little we can to avoid anything like that ever happening again. Roberto ______________________________________________ Roberto Battista http://www.robat.scl.net http://www.robat.scl.net/lectures/index.shtm Tel. 0044 020 8449 1995 Mobile 0775 960 4344 ______________________________________________ http://www.rustyrobot.com independent on-line music distribution, the music you can't find elsewhere, hybrid, eclectic, world, looped, unusual... ______________________________________________ http://www.robat.scl.net/html/tibet/tibet.shtm an exciting project on technology applied to mobile education for developing countries and remote locations... ______________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 06:50:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA04277; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 06:26:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 06:26:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BA08675.66496813@altruistmusic.com> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 03:12:05 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: LA Loop Feste Audio Now Online References: <3B9FF2EC.8B38FED@pathcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all, I've uploaded my set from the LA Loop Feste, held in Burbank at the end of June. Serious thanks to Tony Moore (the show host and recording engineer for the night) for hooking me up with a copy of the set. Those of you who were curious as to what it sounded like might enjoy giving a listen; the material also ties into the recent threads on limitations, EDP functions, and (in the case of one of the selections) live reverse looping. These files are NOT being made available through public links on my web site, so this is basically a Looper's Delight exclusive. They probably won't be up for very long, so if you're curious, now is the time to stream/download away. I'll present the links for files in order of what I thought was most effective musically. Since there have been requests for more in-depth feature discussions on the list, I'll give a bit of technical info for those so inclined. The setup was about as basic as I can get: guitar into EDP into amp. It was a mono rig recorded with one mic, so these are all mono files. The only "effect" was an ebow (which I sort of regret having brought, since I leaned on it more heavily than I would have liked). 1) IMPROV #3 (aka "Something We Can Dance To") RealAudio Stream: http://www.altruistmusic.com/ram/62801-3.ram MP3 Download: http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/improv3.mp3 This is probably my favorite bit from the set, which was played in response to Steve Lawson's request to "play something we can dance to." (You can actually hear his request, along with my incredulous response, at the very beginning of the file if you listen closely.) This was built mostly from multiply and insert (insertmode=insert) on the EDP, with quantize on, for most of the tune. I sort of lost the plot after a few minutes, but I figure it was Steve's idea, so it's all his fault! :-{} 2) IMPROV #2 RealAudio Stream: http://www.altruistmusic.com/ram/62801-2.ram MP3 Download: http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/improv2.mp3 This is the most technically complicated selection from the show. I actually "primed" the EDP before I played anything, by using a quantized record + insert (insertmode=insert) move to set up a multi-cycle loop before any audio had been laid down. You can hear where I started to insert new quantized cycles in between the "primed" cycles over the relatively ambient loop that went down initially. It starts off a bit on the cliche'd "ambient guitar loop" side, but it doesn't stay there for long. Where it really gets interesting, to me, is a few minutes in, where I switched quantize off and changed the insertmode from insert to replace and started dropping very short fragments into the loop. The musical effect is sort of like a radio broadcast running into static interference. One other interesting technical tidbit: the very end of the improv uses Matthias' "Snake eating its tail" trick of decreasing loop length as feedback is lowered -- so the more the audio fades out, the shorter the loop becomes. 3) IMPROV #4 RealAudio Stream: http://www.altruistmusic.com/ram/62801-4.ram MP3 Download: http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/improv4.mp3 This one's pretty boring from a technical (and maybe a musical) standpoint: A single guitar line that ends up growing into a massive undulating wash of ambient sound. (Bet you've never heard THAT one out of a looper, eh?) Sorry, Kim. Kind of pretty anyway, I suppose. The Matthias "feedback snake" bit is here, too. 4) IMPROV #1 RealAudio Stream: http://www.altruistmusic.com/ram/62801-1.ram MP3 Download: http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/improv1.mp3 (There are a few brief gaps in the master recording of this track. The recording also didn't kick in until the middle of the first phrase I played, so this particular file starts on the second phrase.) In some ways, this was the most ambitious bit from the set, since it used a particular looping technique I'm still not entirely comfortable with. It's not a total abject failure, I don't think, but it's the tune I think works least effectively out of the four presented here. The technique in question involves setting the feedback all the way down, and using the insert button set to unquantized reverse. The idea is to try and reverse each phrase after it's played, and immediately improvise a counterpoint to it. I like the concept because nothing ever repeats exactly the way it was played -- the texture is constantly evolving, and there isn't any "looping" in the most literal sense of the concept. Because of that, though, I find it requires a very different mental approach on my part than typical looping does -- I have to be thinking every second of the way, and I'm still not totally sold on my ability with this particular technique. My overall assessment of the set as a whole it that it's not bad, although I can hear a lot of room for refining and developing some of the basic ideas. I also wound up playing into the ambient guitar cliche book a lot more than I would have liked. I don't mean that in any sort of offensive manner to those who tend to play along the lines of what I did here, but I'm personally trying to distance myself from relying on that particular approach by default. On the evidence of this show, I still have a long ways to go. Got to start (or re-start, in my case) somewhere, I guess... Next time I think I'll leave the ebow at home. Anyway, thanks to all for listening, both at the gig and now. Any feedback or comments are of course welcome... --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 07:29:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA06580; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 07:04:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 07:04:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c13c42$7454b0e0$903a4a42@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: 9-11-01 Loop Page Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 03:54:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C13C07.C79A4B60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C13C07.C79A4B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Super basic 9-11-01 loop page is up- anyone interested in posting their = own contact me off list-=20 Cliff http://www.omstudios.org/Audio/audio.html ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C13C07.C79A4B60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C13C07.C79A4B60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 07:47:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA07224; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 07:23:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 07:23:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: mark.red@involvelearning.com Subject: RE: OT - 9-11-01 -- looping prayers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.4 June 8, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:06:12 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on mail/External/InvolveLearning(Release 5.0.3 (Intl)|21 March 2000) at 09/13/2001 01:30:04 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Did'nt want to offend anyone, however the way I felt when i read Petr's original post, just made me tut, and think "great we need another weirdo right now". I typed a mail and wished i hadnt, straight away. Of course everyone has their own ways of dealing with this horror, I lit candles and played a very serious piece of music for a while. I cried as I was watching television. But i did not mention it (til now) on this list, because its personal to me and irrelevant to this list. As an atheist I would prefer someone saying "lets all think about what we can do"to "let us pray" which I find slightly offensive. And at this particular instance, where it is looking like the act was commited by a religeous leader I find it particularly offensive. Matthius asked me if I was nervous,... Damn yes! This is a third world war we are talking about. The "article 5" discussions going on today are formalising this. As in, is retaliation an American responsibility or the respnsibility of the world? Glenn also had a go at me, but I cant bear to reply to him as I dont want to be flamed, but in a sentance, NO I would not die for my country, I am English, I currently live in Norway, and have lived in Spain the UK the US and Thailand. I care for the world and its people, I dont care for its religeons or nationalism. As for "freedom", what is that? If you mean democracy, yeah! OK I get it, but "FREEDOM" is a word that Americans do like to bandy about like its a right. Are people in the US free? from poverty, from injustice? from rascism? I apologise sincerly to Petr for cutting into him, I just want to hear sober, considered, simple views and not I realise that I have a problem with religeon and beliefs. I will try to work on that side of myself and have more acceptance in the future. humbly MArk Red "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: OT - 9-11-01 -- looping prayers 13/09/2001 11:30 Please respond to Loopers-Delight I think Mark's comments quite appropriately reflected the immense frustration and sadness we all feel that looping, engraving, making icons, etc., doesn't really do anything in a very tangible way to save one of those already lost, or prevent the loss of even one more citizen. I didn't respond to the earlier post because I figure each to his own - we're all working through our pain in our own way. For me, I have been writing a lot of lyrics. But I also feel the anger and the frustration too, and I can understand exactly where Mark was coming from. Kevin > > >I actually am thinking a lot about looping positive energy, verbal or > >>making a loop containing a positive energy, although then kept > > >mechanically running, could be seen in the same way as engraving > > >sacred symbols into a rock, making icons, or whatever else in this > >>realm. > > Mark Red reacted > > >... and i suppose engraving sacred symbols into a rock, making icons, or > >whatever else HELP in some way??? > > > >Considering the perpetrator of this discusting and cowardly act is an > >insane religeous idiot, maybe we could do without this pseudo > new age hippy > >claptrap please,at least for now? It just depresses me how many freaks > >there are in this world, believing all sorts of s**t. > >Looping and drones and ostinato and repetition DO create a particular > >feeling, a power, but it is a musical power and musical feeling; > no magic, > >no "positive energy"...man! > > Sorry, I liked what Petr said. Its ok if you dont, but there is no > reason to become nervous. A big part of the world believes in magic > power of music. If there is no such thing for you, please let the > rest of us try to find the "positive energy". > Did you get harmed by Hippies? > Mantras have been arround for a very long time in many cultures and > they are basically loops, so it continues an issue on this list. > -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 08:07:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA07823; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 07:41:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 07:41:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010913112859.62641.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 04:28:59 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: OT:9/11/01 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- roberto wrote: > Dear loopers blah blah blah believe in me blah blah blah jew are nazis with really good tans blah blah blah please debate amongst yourselves until we kill you blah blah blah jarheads = ragheads blah blah blah hug a muslim blah blah blah jfk blown away blah blah oliver stone phone home blah blah blah you are getting sleeeepy blah blah blah believe in me blah blah blah taliban are like frat boys on spring break blah blah blah saddam & khadafi are kinda like amway products blah blah blah bush is stupid blah blah blah blank check or we kill you Roberto, I have 2 questions. 1) did you meet Elvis while you were on the space ship? 2) were you anally probed? John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 09:10:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA11387; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 08:45:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 08:45:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:35:53 +0100 Subject: Re: OT:9/11/01 From: roberto To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20010913112859.62641.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0apfrB.A.GrC.EeKo7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 13/9/01 12:28 pm, John Tidwell at wedgehed@yahoo.com wrote: > Roberto, I have 2 questions. > > 1) did you meet Elvis while you were on the > space ship? > 2) were you anally probed? > > John Dear John You are perfectly entitled to disagree with my point of view. However, under the circumstances I am unable to even smile at your jest. Roberto ______________________________________________ Roberto Battista http://www.robat.scl.net http://www.robat.scl.net/lectures/index.shtm Tel. 0044 020 8449 1995 Mobile 0775 960 4344 ______________________________________________ http://www.rustyrobot.com independent on-line music distribution, the music you can't find elsewhere, hybrid, eclectic, world, looped, unusual... ______________________________________________ http://www.robat.scl.net/html/tibet/tibet.shtm an exciting project on technology applied to mobile education for developing countries and remote locations... ______________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 09:41:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13416; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 09:09:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 09:09:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: The Big Bump issue. Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 07:53:24 -0500 Message-ID: <002901c13c53$13abc1a0$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010913011337.04643fd0@loopers-delight.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Exactly! When I first saw the suggestion of pre-recording blank loops I begin thinking I have to set up a library of blank loops of different lengths and tempos, in advance, so that I can get the right setting in less than 5 secs it takes me to begin playing whatever it is that I feel I should play ..... Live .... Real time. Steve > > I believe this is accomplished in the jamman using the delay > mode, right? > > The reason why pre-recording the loop first is unworkable for > most people > is because you want the loop length defined by what you are > playing and not > the other way around. If you are improvising, you probably > don't really > know how long the loop will before you start, and it can be rather > difficult to play into a predefined loop length and get the > timing right. > You certainly don't want to sit there in front of your audience doing > nothing while you wait for this empty loop to record! and > this is not just > about ambient sound washes either, as Mark L mentioned. All types of > looping use this technique. > > Being able to overdub immediately after recording is a > fundamental looping > technique that has basically been in existence since the > 60's. (or maybe > earlier, I'm sure somebody can correct me.) Since the > early/mid 90's we've > been freed of having to preset loop lengths, with the arrival > of devices > like the Pardis Loop/Delay, the jamman, and the EDP where you > could tap the > loop lengths on the fly. Why should we be going backwards now? > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 10:06:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA15122; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 09:41:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 09:41:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: Bump issue. Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 09:25:45 -0500 Message-ID: <01c13c5f$f9e86040$86514b0c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snippit - -----Original Message----- From: Damon Langlois (Electrix) To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Date: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:29 PM Subject: RE: Bump issue. >We are looking at reducing the "bump" at the loop splice point. Going >immediately into overdub is a bigger deal but is also being looked at. This >is the price you might have to pay for 4 tracks per loop. There is a lot >more going on under the hood than a mono looper. >Let us also put things into perspective. "Blemish free" drones where a >contiguous signal passes over the loop point are not really possible with >any looper. (Get your sine waves out and try it). It's a matter of making it >less audible which is where the multiple overdub technique come in. We want >to look at the loop splice point first and see if we can improve this area >before we get into the immediate overdub issue, especially since there are >work arounds for this. Respect, > >Damon Langlois >Creative Director >Electrix >Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 >http://www.electrixpro.com > Damon - No offense intended but have you ever tried an EDP? I;ve got two at my place, I would suggest you try them out in stereo if you haven't already and you may better understand what some folks on the list are trying to explain, not only is it possible to get neat loops, it's been happening for somer time now. I understand you're dealing with four tracks and stereo and pitch and and and, well what good is all that if it doesn't do something as simple as record and play back what you are intending to loop? I've got a RPTR, thankfully I didn't buy it for its looping capabilities (to me that was (is) an unkown, as it doesn't loop, it records what you do and then some which makes it impossibly hard to make a sharp loop from the outset). I bought the RPTR cause everything said it was good at mashing up loops and it does that very very well, so Bravo and continued success on that end. Now for my only suggestion to ya'll is: Call the RPTR what it is, whatever you decide it is and maybe angle away from all this loop talk, because in that regard the RPTR simply does not cut it (very much my opinion, but that what you get when you sell products :) The RPTR is also not a delay unit in any real way, ask a looper what a loop is and nine times out of ten (at least i'd hope) they would use the word delay somewhere in their explaination even if it is missapplied, the RPTR doesn't get into all that, because it's a lot closer to a sampler (with a few glitches and bugs) than any type of delay unit. Good hearted laughter on my part Damon, I know you folks must be going through lots to get everything done as quickly and professionally as possible and I think you've done a bang up jop, the RPTR came out before it should have, but we wouldn't wait and we were warned. PedrOOrdeP PS: I would have preferred to have waited another year for a RPTR that actually loops (that may still be a cool thing, it's just not what Electrix makes right now). oh and you're making ambient a dirty word!, but I think we've all done that at some time or another! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 10:58:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19040; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:30:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:30:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001401c13c5d$b224dd30$51cec22b@cambmaya04> From: "Os" To: References: Subject: Re: Bump issue. Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:09:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > We are looking at reducing the "bump" at the loop splice point. Going > immediately into overdub is a bigger deal but is also being looked at. How is it a big deal? Every delay pedal/plugin in the world with the decay turned up to 100% effectively does exactly that. > Let us also put things into perspective. "Blemish free" drones where a > contiguous signal passes over the loop point are not really possible with > any looper. It seems to work fine with a Jamman, Headrush, and every delay plugin I use. Maybe, as someone else suggested, what Electrix mean my 'a looper' is not the same as what we all mean. I'd really like to believe otherwise (I have a Repeater on order at my local store) - I guess I'll see for myself when I finally get my hands on one. cheers, os. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 11:16:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20634; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:50:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:50:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c001c13c63$12c34320$ed29f7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <003801c13c2f$cee92580$7c44f93f@dnlsh01> Subject: Re: Line6 Echo Pro Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:47:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No syncing????? huh? what's the deal with that? That's sooo easy to do if the MIDI is already there!!! Do you know if it will loop any of the other delay sounds? I'm guessing that's too much to ask, if the loop is 'just for fun'... methinks it's time to chat to the design team... Oh and Rick, I know that Santa Cruz is a seaside town, but when did you dispense with normal cash transactions and start trading in shellfish??????? :o) Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Walker (loop.pool) To: Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 9:40 AM Subject: re: Line6 Echo Pro > Thanks Eric for the skinny on this box. I was so horny to buy one and your > research just nipped my plans in the bud..............thanks, you just saved > me 500 clams: > > > no sync capabilities and no stereo looping? what are these people thinking > about? > > > And, after seeing the beautiful sets of Steve Lawson, my dream solo looper > was the Line 6 DL-4 with Midi sync capabilities. > > Wow, I never thought I'd see the day, but I think I will actually hang on to > my ancient Jampersons..........at least we were able to sync our entire > Bass Looping Tour with them (mono, shitty fidelity and all, god bless their > pointed little heads). > > Oh well, I've been on vacation for a couple of weeks. Do I have it right > that the REPEATER is also having syncing problems? > > What's a poor looper to do............. > > > ...........yours, bewilderedly, Loop.pooL (aka Rick) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 11:43:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23256; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 11:18:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 11:18:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:06:54 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Synch issues, the official electrix response. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004101c13c65$b991ad20$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i got simpletech usb reader for ~$28... works great. > > anyone recommend a good cfc reader? i have been looking at a kodak for > around $40.00 any commments.... it seems to be geared for photos, but data > is data...no? > > monk > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 12:33:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27246; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:09:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:09:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <004201c13bc7$d9cce8a0$1f416f40@oemcomputer> <004401c13bce$699a34a0$0301a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 11:55:06 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: earthsync Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:02 AM -0300 9/13/01, Matthias Grob wrote: [someone else wrote] >>there is some new age guy doing this stuff...hmmm....Anugama, i >>think? i'll check at home tonight. the liner notes on his stuff >>are very over the top about innovations and proprietary techniques >>to get your mind in sync with the alpha patterns and aligning >>yourself with the planets and all... Oh, yes, people have been using binaural beats since the 50s. the difference here is that everyone is synced up at one time! >right, its delicate... as long as there are master and slaves in a >synced system, I dont trust it... >Why dont you start the experience with BrotherSync :-) ? well, the idea is to start with "innocuous" frequencies and then use a "voting system" where "everyone" selects frequencies and the "average" is used. Voting is there but would have to come second! /t .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 12:37:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27374; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:12:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:12:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00c001c13c63$12c34320$ed29f7c2@zetnet.co.uk> References: <003801c13c2f$cee92580$7c44f93f@dnlsh01> <00c001c13c63$12c34320$ed29f7c2@zetnet.co.uk> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 08:57:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Line6 Echo Pro Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Thanks Eric for the skinny on this box. I was so horny to buy >one and your >> research just nipped my plans in the bud..............thanks, you just saved >> me 500 clams: >> >> >> no sync capabilities and no stereo looping? what are these people thinking > > about? I'll have to agree to this 100%. The DL4 is a super fun box, but with serious limitations if you are doing anything involving sync. When i saw the ads for the Echo Pro, i was floored..."oh yeah, here it is! All the fun of my little green 4-button box with sync, presets, and 60 seconds of looping!" Thanks for saving me some cash, too. although i must admit i spent some already on a MoFx off of ebay. Line6 seems to be on a predictable track here...taking their technology they've already done the R+D on...and encasing it in a rack mounted box, adding a few bells and whistles, and calling it "Pro". they're new amp looks mighty sweet though, if you want to cough up $2000 for the amp and footpedal. As far as their customer service...I think that has left some of their customers wanting, as well. My guess is that they've grown up so damn fast, they might be struggling to keep that personlized service. I do know that emails now posted to support@line6.com used to be responded to by someone in tech support. now you get an automatic response telling you to go to the FAQ section of their website. rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 12:47:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27809; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:22:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:22:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:08:39 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: OT:9/11/01 Cc: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:35 PM +0100 9/13/01, roberto wrote: >on 13/9/01 12:28 pm, John Tidwell at wedgehed@yahoo.com wrote: > > > Roberto, I have 2 questions. > > > > 1) did you meet Elvis while you were on the > > space ship? > > 2) were you anally probed? > > > > John > >Dear John > >You are perfectly entitled to disagree with my point of view. However, under >the circumstances I am unable to even smile at your jest. Hell, I'm on E62nd St and I laughed! Even though I am probably more in agreement with you, Roberto, than John when it comes down to it... Frankly, I need all the laughs I can get right now. /t .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 13:07:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29499; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:41:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:41:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c13c70$fbd182e0$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: OT:9/11/01 Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 17:18:39 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Joe Dallarda" parrotted: > I hate to say, but this act is pretty much political karma. Sorry, Joe. Vague statements like that which cast doubt without giving substance work a lot less in the 21st century than you might think. > America is the bully of the worlds playground, and the Americans on this > list (and I am one of them) should be aware of this. Again, another vague judgemental statement without basis, assuming upon itself the mantle of devine truth, without any trace of data to support it. And implying that, if we don't agree with it, we are idiots. > (By the way, I hope I dont end up sounding pedantic, or insulting to > anyone's intelligence, if I do, sorry). I don't think that's enough of an apology. If you'd stop trying to sling your planet-sized intellect around this virtual room, perhaps you'd realize that you have to back up old, overused political rhetoric with facts. > Please dont make the mistake of thinking that I'm saying I condone what > happened- I'm just saying there are a lot of reasons why a lot of people in > the developing world are taking a lot of satisfaction in our pain- based on > their experience of what the American government is like, and how it has > affected them, they see it, and quite reasonably so, as the little guy > giving the big bad bully of the global school yard one hell of an > unbelievable sucker punch. I'm sure that there are people who are twisted enough by their hate of the United States, its freedoms, and its ways of life, to think that the above is valid. How does this then justify their inhuman behavior? It doesn't. > The Palestinians arent celebrating what happened > yesterday because they are "crazy," "radical," "fundamentalist," or innately > "bad" or violent somehow. We have given them, by our actions, a lot of > reason to do so. A basis for this would be helpful. Otherwise it's just backtracking justification for your statements. > Who is a terrorist, and who is a nationalist/freedom-fighter? The only > difference between the two, the only thing deciding what word you use is > who's side yer on. Sorry, bub. There's a definition of terrorism out there that you apparently don't understand, perhaps because you've relied upon incomplete sources of information and propaganda. I would suggest looking to the dictionary for a start. > We need to find out more about why things like this > happen- not simply exhibit knee-jerk reactions and bark jingoistic nonsense. What then are your statements? Manna from above? > Meanwhile the innocent suffer for the sins of the few in power. More judgemental statements without data to back it up. Ennh! > This is totally inapropriate for a list about looping, but having spent a > lot of time in the West Bank and also having lived in Egypt, certain posts > have just made it too hard for me to stay in lurk mode. That explains a lot. > I really dont want to start a politcal type flame war though, so if any one > really feels the need to attack me please do it off-list, preferably not for > a sustained period of time. I'm not sorry to say that the kind of pap you've spewed here is best addressed in a public forum. Simply saying the above doesn't mean that people don't have the right to rebut what you've said, nor does it mean that you're right. Let us then choose a date for our discussions of anything but PEACEFUL SOLUTIONS to our pain and frustration to begin, that hopefully utilize the reason we're ALL supposed to be on Looper's Delight, hopefully solutions involving (gasp! can you believe it?) looping and music. I would propose the end of tomorrow, which worldwide has been designated as a day of mourning. After midnight Friday I would propose that we exercise good manners, and confine ourselves to the subject matter of this list, and come up with positive, musical ways of dealing with the way we feel. I've already put forth my own idea, and unfortunately have only gotten a few responses. Let's try to raise peoples' spirits in the midst of sadness, and perhaps make some money for the victims. If it is desired I'll make my proposal again. But in the meantime I'll wait. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.live365.com/stations/218194 * EarthLight Online / Live! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 13:46:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01634; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:20:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:20:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010913160200.92670.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 09:02:00 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: OT: To Loopers in the UK To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <9ro5-D.A.TL.peOo7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just saw on a morning news program where, for the first time in history, the changing-of-the-guard ceremony at Buckingham Palace included the playing of "The Star Spangled Banner". I wish you could have felt the tingle that went up my spine & the lump in my throat, seen the tears in my eyes & the smile on my face. I can't begin to express what seeing those boys, in their red coats & bear skin hats, playing my country's national anthem meant to me. Thank you my cousins. Thank you my friends. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 14:06:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02989; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:41:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:41:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BA0EC63.24D26C2F@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:26:59 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Big Bump issue. References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010913011337.04643fd0@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_rH19.A.gh.CxOo7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh, I totally agree, don't get me wrong. I'd rather not work his way, but I made a choice, which was to give up some of the great functionality of the EDP, in return for Quad Loop recording (for under the $2400 you'd have to spend to buy 4 EDPs) and non volatile memory. I also got a few extras, like great time stretch/compress functions and the ability to shift loops against each other. Because I'm coming from the JamMan camp, I actually didn't loose anything. I never used the JamMan in delay mode (though I may now), because I needed the ability to change to a new loop, and go back. When I think of the use per dollar (I think I bought my JamMan new for $350 or so) of the JamMan, it's pretty incredible. Anyway, I've pretty much always "primed" my loops. I think I've learned to work this way and kind of "know" how long something needs to be. Maybe I'm wrong. If I had it the other way I might say, "how could I have done without this?" Until then, I'll be here in my apartment looping. Mark Sottilaro Kim Flint wrote: > At 10:55 PM 9/12/2001, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > >I'm not sure why you don't just record a blank loop first, at your desired > >tempo/length and then, open it back up and start playing. I do it with big > >pad-like volume swells all the time, and it works fine. No bump. This is the > >only way you could do it on the JamMan as well. The EDP will finish a > >loop and > >keep you in record, I understand, but I'm not sure if anything else does. > > I believe this is accomplished in the jamman using the delay mode, right? > > The reason why pre-recording the loop first is unworkable for most people > is because you want the loop length defined by what you are playing and not > the other way around. If you are improvising, you probably don't really > know how long the loop will before you start, and it can be rather > difficult to play into a predefined loop length and get the timing right. > You certainly don't want to sit there in front of your audience doing > nothing while you wait for this empty loop to record! and this is not just > about ambient sound washes either, as Mark L mentioned. All types of > looping use this technique. > > Being able to overdub immediately after recording is a fundamental looping > technique that has basically been in existence since the 60's. (or maybe > earlier, I'm sure somebody can correct me.) Since the early/mid 90's we've > been freed of having to preset loop lengths, with the arrival of devices > like the Pardis Loop/Delay, the jamman, and the EDP where you could tap the > loop lengths on the fly. Why should we be going backwards now? > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 14:16:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04415; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:51:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:51:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BA0EF06.E50DCB4B@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:38:14 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Line6 Echo Pro References: <200109130547.BAA18063@hemlock.violacea.com> <003801c13c2f$cee92580$7c44f93f@dnlsh01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeah what the hell are they thinking? If you look at their website, you do get the idea that it at least synchs to MIDI. I'm not sure what would make it better than the floor model, except for the ability to synch delays to MIDI. Oh well. Yes Rich, the Repeater is having some MIDI synch issues, but if you're used to your JamMans, and are willing to record a silent loop before you start playing, you won't be affected too much. The Repeater does synch well to MIDI, but it does this Loop Point Assist thing that's buggy. Long story, read the previous Repeater Synch thread and the work around. Electrix is promising a new OS soon, that fixes this. Mark Sottilaro "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" wrote: > Thanks Eric for the skinny on this box. I was so horny to buy one and your > research just nipped my plans in the bud..............thanks, you just saved > me 500 clams: > > no sync capabilities and no stereo looping? what are these people thinking > about? > > And, after seeing the beautiful sets of Steve Lawson, my dream solo looper > was the Line 6 DL-4 with Midi sync capabilities. > > Wow, I never thought I'd see the day, but I think I will actually hang on to > my ancient Jampersons..........at least we were able to sync our entire > Bass Looping Tour with them (mono, shitty fidelity and all, god bless their > pointed little heads). > > Oh well, I've been on vacation for a couple of weeks. Do I have it right > that the REPEATER is also having syncing problems? > > What's a poor looper to do............. > > ...........yours, bewilderedly, Loop.pooL (aka Rick) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 14:27:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06398; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 14:02:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 14:02:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010913104040.0255bd40@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:46:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: OT:9/11/01 In-Reply-To: <002b01c13c70$fbd182e0$0201a8c0@stephen> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Apparently I didn't make this clear enough before. Take this bickering off the list now. This is not the place for it. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 14:34:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06774; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 14:08:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 14:08:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010913160200.92670.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010913160200.92670.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:50:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: OT: To Loopers in the UK Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <1QZ_RC.A.pEB.NIPo7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >"The Star Spangled Banner". > >I can't begin to >express what seeing those boys, in their red coats >& bear skin hats, playing my country's national >anthem meant to me. > >Thank you my cousins. Thank you my friends. IMO, this just goes to show that we've all got different opinions, no? I find this interesting, John. You tore Roberto's comments up with a nasty joke (although you both have interesting points), and now you come back expressing something dear and emotional to yourself, something that helped you grieve and heal, perhaps? that's good for you. hmmm... for all it's good intentions, however, that song makes me feel kinda icky when i hear it...bombs bursting in air and all. best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 14:40:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07047; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 14:15:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 14:15:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c13c7d$ebd70380$fabc28d5@a123456789> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: Subject: Re: OT:9/11/01 Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 17:52:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Roberto, Thank you for your wise words. We must understand this to prevent even more suffering. I like to think, that John Tidwell's outburst is the work of a (hopefully temporarily) deranged mind - I suppose that's understandable under the circumstances. John may want to respond - if so can we keep it off the list ? Peace to all, Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 15:04:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09964; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 14:40:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 14:40:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 14:28:38 -0400 Subject: cfc readers... From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004101c13c65$b991ad20$080210ac@jpalmer> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com may i ask what editing software you are using? pc or mac? thanks ric on 9/13/01 11:06 AM, jim palmer at jimp@pobox.com wrote: > i got simpletech usb reader for ~$28... > works great. > > >> >> anyone recommend a good cfc reader? i have been looking at a kodak for >> around $40.00 any commments.... it seems to be geared for photos, but data >> is data...no? >> >> monk >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 15:10:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10411; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 14:45:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 14:45:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 14:34:45 -0400 Subject: Re: OT: To Loopers in the UK From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7zG8PC.A.LLC.xtPo7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com umm... i may be wrong about this ...but isn't "god save the queen" the same melody as the "star spangeld banner"? monk on 9/13/01 1:50 PM, rich at rich@nuvisionsca.com wrote: >> "The Star Spangled Banner". >> >> I can't begin to >> express what seeing those boys, in their red coats >> & bear skin hats, playing my country's national >> anthem meant to me. >> >> Thank you my cousins. Thank you my friends. > > IMO, this just goes to show that we've all got different opinions, > no? I find this interesting, John. You tore Roberto's comments up > with a nasty joke (although you both have interesting points), and > now you come back expressing something dear and emotional to > yourself, something that helped you grieve and heal, perhaps? that's > good for you. > > hmmm... > > for all it's good intentions, however, that song makes me feel kinda > icky when i hear it...bombs bursting in air and all. > > best, > > rich > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 15:48:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15730; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:24:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:24:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: recycled melodies--OT (was: to Loopers in UK) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:10:35 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Star Spangled banner is a british drinking melody--to anacreon in heaven--love to hear the original lyric sometime-- my country 'tis of thee is the one ric is thinking of--god save our gracious king, god save our noble king, FDIC I once wrote the Streets of Laredo-- Bombs make me nervous too Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 16:01:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16911; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:35:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:35:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 14:24:26 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: cfc readers... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <012001c13c89$b3f52c60$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com pc. mostly sound forge for editing... this thing should work on a mac too. (if that's your taste, times being what they are...) ----- Original Message ----- From: "mr monk" To: Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:28 PM Subject: cfc readers... > may i ask what editing software you are using? pc or mac? > > > > thanks > > > ric > > > > on 9/13/01 11:06 AM, jim palmer at jimp@pobox.com wrote: > > > i got simpletech usb reader for ~$28... > > works great. > > > > > >> > >> anyone recommend a good cfc reader? i have been looking at a kodak for > >> around $40.00 any commments.... it seems to be geared for photos, but data > >> is data...no? > >> > >> monk > >> > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 16:07:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17568; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:41:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:41:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:28:00 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: OT: To Loopers in the UK Cc: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:34 PM -0400 9/13/01, mr monk wrote: >umm... i may be wrong about this ...but isn't "god save the queen" the same >melody as the "star spangeld banner"? Of Thee I Sing or whatever it's called is the same melody as God Save The Queen You'd know -- the Star Spangled Banner is hard to sing, it suddenly jumps you up to an octave that you are unprepared for. .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 16:12:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18544; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:48:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:48:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010913152302.04d369e8@pop1.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:24:12 -0400 To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: Re: cfc readers... In-Reply-To: <012001c13c89$b3f52c60$080210ac@jpalmer> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i bought one off ebay for $30 that has drivers for both mac and pc. it's nice because it reads CFC and SM, the latter of which my digicam uses. one thing about it: there doesn't appear to be any manufacturer contact info so i wonder about updates to the drivers. plexus At 03:24 PM 9/13/2001, you wrote: >pc. >mostly sound forge for editing... > >this thing should work on a mac too. >(if that's your taste, times being what they are...) > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "mr monk" >To: >Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:28 PM >Subject: cfc readers... > > > > may i ask what editing software you are using? pc or mac? > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > ric > > > > > > > > on 9/13/01 11:06 AM, jim palmer at jimp@pobox.com wrote: > > > > > i got simpletech usb reader for ~$28... > > > works great. > > > > > > > > >> > > >> anyone recommend a good cfc reader? i have been looking at a kodak for > > >> around $40.00 any commments.... it seems to be geared for photos, > but data > > >> is data...no? > > >> > > >> monk > > >> > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 16:15:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18650; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:50:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:50:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004701c13c8b$4cc9d160$a6456f40@oemcomputer> From: "petr" To: References: Subject: Re: OT - 9-11-01 -- looping prayers Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:35:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is interesting. Mark, it seems to me that you made some assumptions about what I was saying. I was in no way saying "let's do nothing but pray." I would not say anything like that especially on this list, which is dedicated to looping. Instead, my issue is whether a loop content can work on its own, so to speak. I am not a holy roller, but I am a looper. I believe that my issue is quite valid on this list, and as I thought about it, I felt treated unfairly by you and Kevin. My issue is a looping one and it belongs to this list, as far as I understand it. Why would you try shutting my poin down, and let other people talk abour other topics? Why would you not say to them, don't worry about your Repeater, better go donate blood? Because you don't like my idea? I may be a weirdo, as you mentioned, but I am a weirdo who makes loops :-) So I and my looping wonderings belong here, no matter how weird my ideas can be. If no one else is interested in them, than it's a different game, and I will not talk about it. As a Humanist I could not be closer to saying that as far as the US tragedy in goes the physical help is needed. But this list is about looping, not about politics or religion, which I did not want to discuss. Where can I go to ask question, which has a spiritual dimension and IS directly related to looping??? There is no other place for me as far as I know. Why do you want me to keep quiet about my looping concerns? petr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 16:24:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20637; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 16:00:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 16:00:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010913124045.02acc5c0@mulder.intermag.com> X-Sender: mpulver@mulder.intermag.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:45:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: cfc readers... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010913152302.04d369e8@pop1.sympatico.ca> References: <012001c13c89$b3f52c60$080210ac@jpalmer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Sep 2001 19:45:34.0396 (UTC) FILETIME=[A75B6FC0:01C13C8C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Brett Maraldo (12:24 PM 09.13.2001) wrote: >i bought one off ebay for $30 that has drivers for both mac and pc. >it's nice because it reads CFC and SM, the latter of which my digicam >uses. one thing about it: there doesn't appear to be any manufacturer >contact info so i wonder about updates to the drivers. If you happen to have a laptop around without a floppy drive, and have occasional use for said floppy drive, then I can't recommend The VST Tri-media reader enough. "Tri" = Floppy, CFC and SmartMedia. It's a great piece; has continued driver support for Win 9x, Win 2000, and Mac; and is powered from the USB host. http://www.vsttech.com/vst/products.nsf/usb?OpenView&Start=1&Count=30&Expand=3#3 Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 17:14:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25673; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 16:51:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 16:51:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010913124045.02acc5c0@mulder.intermag.com> References: <012001c13c89$b3f52c60$080210ac@jpalmer> <5.1.0.14.2.20010913124045.02acc5c0@mulder.intermag.com> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 16:37:41 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: cfc readers... Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA24613 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:45 PM -0700 9/13/01, Mark Pulver wrote: >If you happen to have a laptop around without a floppy drive, and >have occasional use for said floppy drive, then I can't recommend >The VST Tri-media reader enough. "Tri" = Floppy, CFC and SmartMedia. > >It's a great piece; has continued driver support for Win 9x, Win >2000, and Mac; and is powered from the USB host. > >http://www.vsttech.com/vst/products.nsf/usb?OpenView&Start=1&Count=30 >&Expand=3#3 also recommended by me, ditto. buy.com has 'em cheap... /t .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 17:16:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25674; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 16:51:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 16:51:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 16:40:10 -0400 Subject: Re: OT: To Loopers in the UK From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com right-ho..... thanks for setting me straight. i knew it was a borrowed melody. on 9/13/01 3:28 PM, Tom Ritchford at tom@swirly.com wrote: > At 2:34 PM -0400 9/13/01, mr monk wrote: >> umm... i may be wrong about this ...but isn't "god save the queen" the same >> melody as the "star spangeld banner"? > > Of Thee I Sing or whatever it's called is the > same melody as God Save The Queen > > You'd know -- the Star Spangled Banner is hard to sing, it suddenly > jumps you up to an octave that you are unprepared for. > > > .........a new fortune every minute. > ..................Forteans of New York. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 17:21:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26018; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 16:57:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 16:57:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: cfc readers... Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:43:09 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01c13c94$b3023fe0$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010913152302.04d369e8@pop1.sympatico.ca> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If the SimpleTech 128meg CFC card special is still going on, it comes with a Free CFC reader along with a very good price on the 128meg CFC ($90 I think?) Steve > > > i bought one off ebay for $30 that has drivers for both mac > and pc. it's > nice because it reads CFC and SM, the latter of which my > digicam uses. one > thing about it: there doesn't appear to be any manufacturer > contact info so > i wonder about updates to the drivers. > > plexus > > At 03:24 PM 9/13/2001, you wrote: > >pc. > >mostly sound forge for editing... > > > >this thing should work on a mac too. > >(if that's your taste, times being what they are...) > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "mr monk" > >To: > >Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:28 PM > >Subject: cfc readers... > > > > > > > may i ask what editing software you are using? pc or mac? > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > ric > > > > > > > > > > > > on 9/13/01 11:06 AM, jim palmer at jimp@pobox.com wrote: > > > > > > > i got simpletech usb reader for ~$28... > > > > works great. > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> anyone recommend a good cfc reader? i have been looking at a > > > >> kodak for around $40.00 any commments.... it seems to > be geared > > > >> for photos, > > but data > > > >> is data...no? > > > >> > > > >> monk > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 17:24:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27264; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 17:01:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 17:01:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010913134217.00ae2d18@mulder.intermag.com> X-Sender: mpulver@mulder.intermag.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:47:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: cfc readers... In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010913124045.02acc5c0@mulder.intermag.com> <012001c13c89$b3f52c60$080210ac@jpalmer> <5.1.0.14.2.20010913124045.02acc5c0@mulder.intermag.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Sep 2001 20:47:41.0348 (UTC) FILETIME=[54CB2E40:01C13C95] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tom Ritchford (01:37 PM 09.13.2001) wrote: >At 12:45 PM -0700 9/13/01, Mark Pulver wrote: >>If you happen to have a laptop around without a floppy drive, and have occasional use for said floppy drive, then I can't recommend The VST Tri-media reader enough. "Tri" = Floppy, CFC and SmartMedia. >> >>It's a great piece; has continued driver support for Win 9x, Win 2000, and Mac; and is powered from the USB host. >> >>http://www.vsttech.com/vst/products.nsf/usb?OpenView&Start=1&Count=30 &Expand=3#3 > >also recommended by me, ditto. buy.com has 'em cheap... I really wanted to push the buy.com link, but the price is actually pretty expensive: http://www.us.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10241460&loc=14577 At $130.95, that's $30(ish) _more_ than what VST is selling them direct for. :) I know, I couldn't believe it either. I think that VST may have had a recent price reduction and buy.com hasn't caught up with it yet. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 17:45:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28484; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 17:19:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 17:19:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Sender: rob@hemlock.violacea.com Message-ID: <3BA1206F.886B4BAF@wxs.nl> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 23:09:03 +0200 From: Robert van der Kamp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Demo of Repeater in slomo? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0vzlZ.A.VtG.B_Ro7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, can anyone point me to an mp3 or .wav demonstrating the sound quality of the Repeater when stuff is pitched down to slomo speed. Like, say, a guitar pitched down 2 to 4 octaves? Am I correct that when changing the pitch of a given track, its speed does not change? Supose I want 'real' slomo, changing both the speed and pitch of all 4 tracks, and the Repeater is synced to an external clock, what would I do to get this done? Thanks, Robert From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 17:45:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28733; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 17:22:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 17:22:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BA120A7.D7B7C9B0@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 14:10:00 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: cfc readers... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm on both a Mac and a PC and I've had good luck with my Microtech usb reader. Paid $50 for it and it reads CFCs and Smartmedia cards. Mark mr monk wrote: > may i ask what editing software you are using? pc or mac? > > thanks > > ric > > on 9/13/01 11:06 AM, jim palmer at jimp@pobox.com wrote: > > > i got simpletech usb reader for ~$28... > > works great. > > > > > >> > >> anyone recommend a good cfc reader? i have been looking at a kodak for > >> around $40.00 any commments.... it seems to be geared for photos, but data > >> is data...no? > >> > >> monk > >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 17:51:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29118; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 17:28:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 17:28:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: 128 meg card Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 14:09:39 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just got my Simpletech card, and it formatted OK on my RPTR. The $15 rebate is good through 9/15/01 For benefit of anyone who missed the email: >i ordered this same card for $89 at www.emscomputing.com >should be in today... Good find! You can still make use of the rebate, another $15 off! http://simple.rebateform.com/030521/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 17:55:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29392; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 17:32:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 17:32:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Demo of Repeater in slomo? Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 23:19:22 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3BA1206F.886B4BAF@wxs.nl> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Robert van der Kamp > > Am I correct that when changing the pitch of a given track, its > speed does not change? Yes, that's correct. And the other way around; if you change speed the track does not change pitch. > Supose I want 'real' slomo, changing both the speed and pitch > of all 4 tracks, and the Repeater is synced to an external clock, > what would I do to get this done? Try bringing down the tempo of that external clock. But Repeater does not change tempo on the spot, it kind of slows down over a couple of beats. Regards PEr Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 18:01:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29580; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 17:37:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 17:37:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Bump issue. Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 14:24:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <9knuhD.A.bCH.PQSo7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow! Now this one is harsh. >I understand you're dealing with four tracks and stereo and pitch and and >and, well what good is all that if it doesn't do something as simple as >record and play back what you are intending to loop? >I've got a RPTR, thankfully I didn't buy it for its looping capabilities (to >me that was (is) an unkown, as it doesn't loop, it records what you do and >then some which makes it impossibly hard to make a sharp loop from the >outset). I bought the RPTR cause everything said it was good at mashing up >loops and it does that very very well, so Bravo and continued success on >that end. Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 18:03:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29745; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 17:40:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 17:40:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: Demo of Repeater in slomo? Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 14:22:30 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3BA1206F.886B4BAF@wxs.nl> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <2zx38.A.RGH.VTSo7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Slow your source clock way down. Repeater will follow... Pitch on RPTR is best controlled via midi slider or foot via midi CC. Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: rob@hemlock.violacea.com [mailto:rob@hemlock.violacea.com]On > Behalf Of Robert van der Kamp > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 2:09 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Demo of Repeater in slomo? > > > Hi, > > can anyone point me to an mp3 or .wav demonstrating the sound > quality of the Repeater when stuff is pitched down to slomo speed. > Like, say, a guitar pitched down 2 to 4 octaves? > > Am I correct that when changing the pitch of a given track, its > speed does not change? > > Supose I want 'real' slomo, changing both the speed and pitch > of all 4 tracks, and the Repeater is synced to an external clock, > what would I do to get this done? > > Thanks, > Robert > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 18:13:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30371; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 17:50:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 17:50:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BA12702.5679D4E1@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 14:37:07 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Big Bump issue. References: <3BA04A35.96A6A0AE@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Because the Repeater had non volatile memory, you could record your silent loops before you even start performing. Days or months before. I know this takes away from the spontaneity of the loop, but until (or if?) they get the ability to end a loop and put you directly into overdub, this is the way it will have to happen if you're using a Repeater. Mark Sottilaro Matthias Grob wrote: > >I'm not sure why you don't just record a blank loop first, at your desired > >tempo/length and then, open it back up and start playing. I do it with big > >pad-like volume swells all the time, and it works fine. No bump. This is the > >only way you could do it on the JamMan as well. The EDP will finish > >a loop and > >keep you in record, I understand, but I'm not sure if anything else does. > > - because you may be playing before you set up the blank loop, so you > would either have a separate input control or stop playing while you > set it up. > > - even in a washy loop, there may be an acurate tempo, so I much > prefer to tap this for what I actually play instead of having to keep > the "silent timing". > -- > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 18:17:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30535; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 17:53:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 17:53:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901c13c9c$cab50430$6f87abd4@giogio> From: "luca" To: Subject: bump-Bang ! Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 23:41:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01C13CAD.8DC9B5A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C13CAD.8DC9B5A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am happy you are considering the non-immediate-overdub feature as a = "must". I totally agree with Kim when he says that an updated looper (or sampler = or whatever looping machine) that is not giving this chance is a big = step backward. I also agree with Matthias when he says that it absolutely impossible to = think to improvvise with such a limitation. One question to Damon: WILL THE REPEATER HAVE THE CHANCE TO FIX THIS WITH A SOFTWARE UPDATE OR = DOES IT HAS A HARDWARE LIMITATION TO DO IT ? please reply clearly. thanks luca ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C13CAD.8DC9B5A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am happy you are considering the=20 non-immediate-overdub feature as a "must".
I totally agree with Kim when he says = that an=20 updated looper (or sampler or whatever looping machine) that is not = giving=20 this chance is a big step backward.
I also agree with Matthias when he says = that it=20 absolutely impossible to think to improvvise with such a=20 limitation.
One question to Damon:
WILL THE REPEATER HAVE THE CHANCE TO = FIX THIS WITH=20 A SOFTWARE UPDATE OR DOES IT HAS A HARDWARE LIMITATION TO DO IT = ?
please reply clearly.
thanks
luca
------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C13CAD.8DC9B5A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 18:26:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA32226; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 18:03:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 18:03:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010913172645.04d435e8@pop1.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 17:28:04 -0400 To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: RE: Bump issue. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeah! i thought so too! :) very amusing. on the other hand, and i know you know this now damon, but the repeater is sort of broken at this point. i'm sure you guys will get it all fixed up though. in the meantime we are all doing the best we can with it. plexus At 05:24 PM 9/13/2001, you wrote: >Wow! Now this one is harsh. > > >I understand you're dealing with four tracks and stereo and pitch and and > >and, well what good is all that if it doesn't do something as simple as > >record and play back what you are intending to loop? > >I've got a RPTR, thankfully I didn't buy it for its looping capabilities >(to > >me that was (is) an unkown, as it doesn't loop, it records what you do and > >then some which makes it impossibly hard to make a sharp loop from the > >outset). I bought the RPTR cause everything said it was good at mashing up > >loops and it does that very very well, so Bravo and continued success on > >that end. > > >Respect, > >Damon Langlois >Creative Director >Electrix >Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 >http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 18:50:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01248; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 18:27:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 18:27:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: cfc readers... Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:19:44 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm using a Soya reader/writer that I bought for 24.99 at Frye's Electronics. Seems to work well, but I'm also using Win 98 and it has frozen up my system if I remove the card while I still have a directory window open. If I remember to close my directory window and any programs that are reading info on the card, it works without a hitch. I am using n-Track to edit the .WAVs. I may be purchasing ACID Pro 3.0 to do some loop editing. And yes, data is data. -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: mr monk [mailto:monk@fuse.net] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:29 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: cfc readers... >> anyone recommend a good cfc reader? i have been looking at a kodak for >> around $40.00 any commments.... it seems to be geared for photos, but data >> is data...no? >> >> monk >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 19:01:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01731; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 18:38:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 18:38:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Dave Hastings" To: Subject: RE: repeater digital out and a mixer problem Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:29:24 -0700 Message-ID: <001001c13ca3$8aa3a200$4d2579a5@hmv5n> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <023401c13c28$75bf1520$6401a8c0@nc.rr.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > anyone know how to get the sb to "listen" to the digital out using, > say, sound forge? there's not a lot about it in the manual (but in > fairness it's not a primary feature)or else i wouldn't bug. Look in the Control Panel for some sort of sound blaster applet. I would expect that the digital ins and outs are controlled from there. At least that's how its done for the digital outs on the motherboard sound card on my PC. -daveh -------------- Dave Hastings dhastings@earthlink.net "Never look at the trombones. You'll only encourage them." - Robert Strauss on conducting From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 19:05:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01913; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 18:42:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 18:42:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: Bump issue. Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:34:00 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010913172645.04d435e8@pop1.sympatico.ca> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Brett, this may have been mentioned prior to my arrival here, but are you aware that every one of your posts are double posts? I assume it's not just me that's receiving them. Just letting you know. -- Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 19:10:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02084; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 18:47:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 18:47:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Bump issue. Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 17:33:05 -0500 Message-ID: <003201c13ca4$0e5c5600$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Damon, I mean no disrespect to your or Electrix, but the reality is that Electrix should make a decision as to how the Repeater will be positioned in the marketplace and effectively communicate this openly to everyone. Doing this would be extremely helpful to individuals that purchase it and will know what they are getting into. It is next to impossible to believe that Repeater is the end all be all of looping devices. As many things as it does well, there are things that are becoming apparent that it cannot do, and based on comments from you and other moderators at the Elecrix site, it will most likely never do (at least not in current plans and the foresable future). To me it seems vitally important for new producst being released at a minimum, embrace the technology and methods that have been established and proven through the evolution of previous products. It is one thing to try new methods, never before tried and for people to work with the new methods until they either fall by the wayside or stick and become the new standard. But to incorporate older features/methods into a product that have already been improved upon and lead everyone to believe that your product has the better capabilities is in my opinion misleading. This bump issue is a case in point and a source of frustration for new Repeater owners, but yet has already been improved and for the most part, eliminated with the methods employed by the EDP. I don't put this issue into the same category as the midi sync problem which is not one of implementation, but rather one of compliance. But, now I am reading posts here and at the Electrix site that the bump issue is either not as important to deal with at this time, or may not be able to be alleviated due to the 4 track architecture of the device. I think the Repeater is a very interesting and useful piece of equipment for my setup, but it would sure help me to understand how its purpose is being defined by Electrix so that I can stop wasting time trying to figure out if it will ever do something in particular (that Electrix has no intention of offering) that I think it might do, so that I can spend the time using it for the things that I will ultimately use it for. As I said in a previous post, the cost of a piece of equipment is only partly attributed to its sticker price. Eventually, the price of time being spent trying to find work arounds, or fixes, or learning the interface and its capabilities far exceeds its original purchase price. I am not talking about beta equipment or software either as I work with that already. Help me so that I don't have to waste any more of my time trying to figure out what I should do with it. Sincerely, Steve Ginn > > Wow! Now this one is harsh. > > >I understand you're dealing with four tracks and stereo and > pitch and > >and and, well what good is all that if it doesn't do something as > >simple as record and play back what you are intending to > loop? I've got > >a RPTR, thankfully I didn't buy it for its looping capabilities > (to > >me that was (is) an unkown, as it doesn't loop, it records > what you do > >and then some which makes it impossibly hard to make a sharp > loop from > >the outset). I bought the RPTR cause everything said it was good at > >mashing up loops and it does that very very well, so Bravo and > >continued success on that end. > > > Respect, > > Damon Langlois > Creative Director > Electrix > Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 19:36:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05527; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 19:14:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 19:14:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <17.1b84341e.28d294ae@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 19:01:02 EDT Subject: bye, folks..... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com loopers, i'm gone, for a while. enjoy yer EDP's, repeaters, jammen, boomerangs, etc! anyone who wantsta reach me, privately, please feel free. best, dt / s-c http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Pages/soah List site: http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 19:38:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05593; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 19:16:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 19:16:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Bump issue. Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 16:01:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I said we are looking at the bump issue. the audio quality is extremely important to us. What I said was the "bump" is more important that going into Overdub immediately after Record so we would look at that first and foremost. Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 20:11:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07694; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 19:48:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 19:48:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB862@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: bump-Bang ! Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 19:16:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C13CAA.0CF69CC0" Resent-Message-ID: <4GJIwD.A.wkB.4KUo7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C13CAA.0CF69CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I am happy you are considering the non-immediate-overdub feature as a "must". I also agree with Matthias when he says that it absolutely impossible to think to improvvise with such a limitation. ** well, just for the record, there are people who improvise without this sort of thing all the time. you may not be able to do it and i may well be a desirable trait, but it can be done - - and i'll probably do it three or four times in the next week and a half. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C13CAA.0CF69CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
I am happy you are considering the non-immediate-overdub feature as a "must".
 
I also agree with Matthias when he says that it absolutely impossible to think to improvvise with such a limitation.
 
 
** well, just for the record, there are people who improvise without this sort of thing all the time. you may not be able to do it and i may well be a desirable trait, but it can be done - - and i'll probably do it three or four times in the next week and a half.
 
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C13CAA.0CF69CC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 21:09:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11524; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 20:45:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 20:45:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011601c13cb4$6e579d20$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: OT: To Loopers in the UK Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 01:30:16 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I suppose one is unprepared for it if they've not sung it a lot, eh? The difficulty of singing that beloved song - well I don't have the slightest difficulty actually - is the only real criticism I've ever heard about it. Some folks just can't sing outside an octave and a half of range, isn't it that? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Cc: Sent: 13 September 2001 20:28 PM Subject: Re: OT: To Loopers in the UK > At 2:34 PM -0400 9/13/01, mr monk wrote: > >umm... i may be wrong about this ...but isn't "god save the queen" the same > >melody as the "star spangeld banner"? > > Of Thee I Sing or whatever it's called is the > same melody as God Save The Queen > > You'd know -- the Star Spangled Banner is hard to sing, it suddenly > jumps you up to an octave that you are unprepared for. > > > .........a new fortune every minute. > ..................Forteans of New York. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 21:15:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11793; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 20:51:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 20:51:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: HarryEsq@aol.com Message-ID: <10e.50c5a3d.28d2abbc@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 20:39:24 EDT Subject: Re: OT: To Loopers in the UK To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_10e.50c5a3d.28d2abbc_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10535 Resent-Message-ID: <0gY7vD.A.dwC.EHVo7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_10e.50c5a3d.28d2abbc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit no --part1_10e.50c5a3d.28d2abbc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit no --part1_10e.50c5a3d.28d2abbc_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 21:16:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11791; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 20:51:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 20:51:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010914003957.288.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 17:39:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Subject: EDP upgrade already? Re: Midi Clock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias & Kim - Hasn't the EDP upgrade been in progress since the previous millenium? Don't you want to give us kind and friendly loopers just a *hint* of an expected release date? You *know* all of us EDP owners will buy it, sight unseen. Certainly you're not shy to let your baby's schedule, design, feature set, and implimentation be shredded to tiny byte-size bits by lil' ol' us? Fully expecting this message to be ignored due to my a) assumption that readers would be capable of filling in smiling faces at appropriate places themselves; 2) failure to recognsize that sarcasm / tongue-in-cheek comments are not american at a time like this; III) forgetting that the upgrade is cloaked in greater secrecy than than U-no-Hoo's secret hiding places; Dee) voyeruristic looper-war desires spured by watching too many robo-war episodes; Cinco) previous experience with this question. Please, please... we need new uber-looper masturbation fantasy fodder! stephen --- Matthias Grob wrote: > >Holy crap- EDP has tap tempo? > > I think in this context, a silent Record equals it. > In the upgrade, we also offer bpm dial tempo control > so you can > trigger a ready a drum loop correctly - or simply > match the > notation... > You can also save some presets with tempos. > > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 23:31:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21345; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 23:08:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 23:08:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BA17137.A3250821@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 19:53:44 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: The Repeater. Buy it for the loops, love it for it's quirks References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010913172645.04d435e8@pop1.sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm still having a problem with the "it don't loop" posts. It do, it do. As a matter of fact, it do really well. If you've been using a JamMan for the last ten years, you will not be sorry you bought a Repeater. It's an amazingly powerful tool, and while the LPA (Loop Point Assist) makes MIDI synch not work well, if you use my workaround it does synch to MIDI really well. Once they fix the LPA issue (you'll no longer have to record your silent loop for good MIDI synch), and the MIDI out issue, this thing will really shine. If not being able to set a loop out point, but stay in an overdub is the trade off for Stereo, time stretch and pitch shifting (which it does really well) and non volatile memory, I think I accept that. If there are people waiting for the "dust to clear" I say go and pick on of these babies up. Most all the issues are 1.0 gotchas. What modern digital device doesn't have a few? Mark Sottilaro (former CEO of Electros inc. manufacturers of the Againinator) Brett Maraldo wrote: > yeah! i thought so too! :) very amusing. on the other hand, and i know you > know this now damon, but the repeater is sort of broken at this point. i'm > sure you guys will get it all fixed up though. in the meantime we are all > doing the best we can with it. > > plexus > > At 05:24 PM 9/13/2001, you wrote: > >Wow! Now this one is harsh. > > > > >I understand you're dealing with four tracks and stereo and pitch and and > > >and, well what good is all that if it doesn't do something as simple as > > >record and play back what you are intending to loop? > > >I've got a RPTR, thankfully I didn't buy it for its looping capabilities > >(to > > >me that was (is) an unkown, as it doesn't loop, it records what you do and > > >then some which makes it impossibly hard to make a sharp loop from the > > >outset). I bought the RPTR cause everything said it was good at mashing up > > >loops and it does that very very well, so Bravo and continued success on > > >that end. > > > > > >Respect, > > > >Damon Langlois > >Creative Director > >Electrix > >Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 > >http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 23:43:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21731; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 23:18:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 23:18:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BA1735A.FDC7F7D2@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 20:02:51 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bump-Bang ! References: <002901c13c9c$cab50430$6f87abd4@giogio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <98xdeC.A.pJF.xMXo7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I take offense to the "absolutely impossible to improvise with such a limitation" Basically what you are saying is that I've never (or any JamMan user) improvised without being able to go immediatly into overdub. That's rediculous. Maybe you weaklings aren't able to, but the strong among us seem to handle this limitation fairly well. I guess when your looper doesn't have an "undo" function for little babies, you have to grow up tough. When I was your age, I had to duct tape an analog delay pedal to my guitar and walk uphill to the battle of the bands in the snow! Damn kids! GET OFF MY LAWN! Mark Sottilaro luca wrote: > I am happy you are considering the non-immediate-overdub feature as a > "must".I totally agree with Kim when he says that an updated looper > (or sampler or whatever looping machine) that is not giving this > chance is a big step backward.I also agree with Matthias when he says > that it absolutely impossible to think to improvvise with such a > limitation.One question to Damon:WILL THE REPEATER HAVE THE CHANCE TO > FIX THIS WITH A SOFTWARE UPDATE OR DOES IT HAS A HARDWARE LIMITATION > TO DO IT ?please reply clearly.thanksluca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 23:43:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21785; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 23:20:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 23:20:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BA1742E.385B680@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 20:06:23 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bye, folks..... References: <17.1b84341e.28d294ae@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7_IfeC.A.8LF.FQXo7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com come on Dave, how about a little "please take me off this list" for old time sake? Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > loopers, > i'm gone, for a while. > enjoy yer EDP's, repeaters, jammen, boomerangs, etc! > anyone who wantsta reach me, privately, please feel free. > best, > dt / s-c > > http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Pages/soah > > List site: > http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 02:22:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA31361; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 01:58:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 01:58:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 22:52:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: Repeater's bump-Bang ! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't know if it's "absolutely impossible to improvise...", it's just that it doesn't work as well. With all due respect to JamMan users, this reminds me of writers who in years past had never used a word processor, and proclaimed as long as they had a typewriter they saw no need to do so. Needless to say, as soon as they did try a word processor, they were sold. Why? Simply because it was a better way of doing things. The same holds true for the EDP style of interactively setting loop point and seamlessly overdubbing, it's a lot better way in many regards. Which is not to say that 4 tracks, pitch shifting, time stretching, resampling, storage of loops and loop parameters isn't pretty damn cool, 'cause it ceratinly is... best- Mark >I take offense to the "absolutely impossible to improvise with such a >limitation" Basically what you are saying is that I've never (or any >JamMan user) improvised without being able to go immediatly into >overdub. That's rediculous. Maybe you weaklings aren't able to, but >the strong among us seem to handle this limitation fairly well. I guess >when your looper doesn't have an "undo" function for little babies, you >have to grow up tough. When I was your age, I had to duct tape an >analog delay pedal to my guitar and walk uphill to the battle of the >bands in the snow! Damn kids! GET OFF MY LAWN! > >Mark Sottilaro > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 02:39:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA00590; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 02:15:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 02:15:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: Time Signatures & Polyrhythms Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 23:02:52 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <9g9gwB.A.ppH.yxZo7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One VERY cool thing about the Repeater is the ability to change time signatures to explore various polyrhythms. You can play a simple rhythmic phrase and then dial up a new beat reference which automatically changes the time signature and bpm to match the original phrase. The repeating loop doesn't sound any different, but you can see how it would fit into various time signatures. [what other loopers do this?] One cool thing to do is to play a simple 4/4 beat and then dial in 5, 6, 7, 9, 11, 13 or whatever as a new beat reference and then play the new rhythm that matches the count in the changing display. Actually, I follow the new count for a bit until I can feel the groove and then I play it. Some of these can be very challenging and exciting. These alternate time signatures are cross rhythms that begin to create very unique composite patterns that compliment the main beat. Even more cool... you can record these unique beats on different tracks and then slip them to create even more unique patterns. Basically, with some practice, this device allows you to instantly dial up almost any rhythmic permutation. VERY flexible. Granted, my experience with looping was very limited before using this device, but I have been blown away by how much I have learned in just a week. Or more accurately, it's obvious that I'm going to learn a LOT more. Instant composing, arranging and mixing... learning about harmonic interplay and polyrhythm. This looping stuff is my future. Wow. -- Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 03:23:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03155; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 02:59:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 02:59:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.65.178.224] From: "Barry M" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: bump-Bang ! Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 06:45:53 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Sep 2001 06:45:54.0175 (UTC) FILETIME=[E695F0F0:01C13CE8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just read on the Electrix forum that you can continue to overdub over multiple cycles of the loop. It said you can only do it after the initial record. Is this true? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 03:24:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01992; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 02:55:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 02:55:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.27.56.186] From: "Roger Morrison" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Vocode the band Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 23:42:38 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Sep 2001 06:42:38.0382 (UTC) FILETIME=[71E24CE0:01C13CE8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If I may ask about a nonlooping piece of Electrix gear that is in the rack of many loopers, what have been people's experiences with using the Warp Factory in a live setting? I'm pondering running mics (contact mics?) from other players' setups (say, the high hat, a bass or guitar amp, or the vocals) into a small rack mixer and then choosing an input to modulate guitar or bass (loops or nonloops). Do band mates tolerate this kind of (a) wiring all over the place and (b) hijacking of signal? (Actually, I am relatively new in town [SD] and not currently in a band, but the urge grows stronger daily, and my Warp Factory purchase on ebay may well be the last straw.) Thanks, Roger Morrison _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 03:33:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03485; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 03:09:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 03:09:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BA1AAA8.744@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 23:58:50 -0700 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater Latency References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anyone noticed,or been bothered by,the signal latency Kimm descibed in the Repeater?? Thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 03:37:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03670; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 03:15:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 03:15:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: OT: Food for Thoughts 2 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 00:01:23 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "There is sobbing of the strong, And a pall upon the land; But the People in their weeping Bare the iron hand; Beware the People weeping When they bare the iron hand." - Herman Melville, "The Martyr," upon the death of Abraham Lincoln. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 03:38:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03669; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 03:15:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 03:15:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: OT: Food for Thoughts 3 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 00:03:23 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "In Flanders fields the poppies blow Between the crosses, row on row That mark our place; and in the sky The larks, still bravely singing, fly Scarce heard amid the guns below. We are the Dead. Short days ago We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow, Loved and were loved, and now we lie In Flanders fields. Take up our quarrel with the foe: To you from failing hands we throw The torch; be yours to hold it high. If ye break faith with us who die We shall not sleep, though poppies grow In Flanders fields." - John McCrae From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 03:40:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03735; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 03:16:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 03:16:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: OT: Food for Thoughts 1 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 00:00:32 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "I sit in one of the dives On Fifty-second Street Uncertain and afraid As the clever hopes expire Of a low dishonest decade; Waves of anger and fear Circulate over the bright And darkened lands of the earth, Obsessing our private lives; The unmentionable odour of death Offends the September night." - W. H. Auden, September 1, 1939. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 03:45:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03851; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 03:21:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 03:21:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: OT: Food for Thoughts 4 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 00:09:00 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "TODAY: I have been unable to think of anything substantive to write today. It is almost as if the usual conventions of journalism and analysis should somehow remain mute in the face of such an event. How can one analyze what one hasn't even begun to absorb? Numbness is part of the intent of these demons, I suppose. So here are some tentative reflections. It feels - finally - as if a new era has begun. The strange interlude of 1989 - 2001, with its decadent post-Cold War extravaganzas from Lewinsky to Condit to the e-boom, is now suddenly washed away. We are reminded that history obviously hasn't ended; that freedom is never secure; that previous generations aren't the only ones to be called to defend the rare way of life that this country and a handful of others have achieved for a small fraction of world history. The boom is done with. Peace is over. The new war against the frenzied forces of what Nietzsche called ressentiment is just beginning. The one silver lining of this is that we may perhaps be shaken out of our self-indulgent preoccupations and be reminded of what really matters: our freedom, our security, our integrity as a democratic society. This means we must be vigilant not to let our civil liberties collapse under the understandable desire for action. To surrender to that temptation is part of what these killers want. And the other small sliver of consolation is that the constant American temptation to withdraw from the world, entertained these past few years by many, will perhaps now be stifled. We cannot withdraw; we cannot ignore. We live in a world where technology and hatred accelerate in ever-faster cycles, and in which isolation is not an option. Evil is still here. It begets evil. When you look at the delighted faces of Palestinians cheering in the streets, we have to realize that there are cultures on this planet of such depravity that understanding them is never fully possible. And empathy for them at such a moment is obscene. But we can observe and remember. There is always a tension between civilization and barbarism, and the barbarians are now here. The task in front of us to somehow stay civilized while not shrinking from the face of extinguishing - by sheer force if necessary - the forces that would eclipse us." Andrew Sullivan (www.andrewsullivan.com) - 9/11/2001 09:46:06 PM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 03:58:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA04464; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 03:35:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 03:35:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BA1B082.6BF08270@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 00:23:47 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Vocode the band References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Where's SD? Mark Roger Morrison wrote: > If I may ask about a nonlooping piece of Electrix gear that is in the rack > of many loopers, what have been people's experiences with using the Warp > Factory in a live setting? I'm pondering running mics (contact mics?) from > other players' setups (say, the high hat, a bass or guitar amp, or the > vocals) into a small rack mixer and then choosing an input to modulate > guitar or bass (loops or nonloops). Do band mates tolerate this kind of (a) > wiring all over the place and (b) hijacking of signal? > > (Actually, I am relatively new in town [SD] and not currently in a band, but > the urge grows stronger daily, and my Warp Factory purchase on ebay may well > be the last straw.) > > Thanks, > > Roger Morrison > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 04:09:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA04979; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 03:45:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 03:45:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BA1B2E3.63D6BB55@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 00:33:55 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bump-Bang ! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes it is true. Barry M wrote: > I just read on the Electrix forum that you can continue to overdub over > multiple cycles of the loop. It said you can only do it after the initial > record. Is this true? > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 04:16:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA05256; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 03:52:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 03:52:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: Vocode the band Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 00:43:53 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I didn't find the Warp Factory very useful with a stringed instrument. The synth voice effects were very 'electronic' - not very organic (IMO). Sure, I could make myself sound like Zorlon V from Planet Omega, but that wasn't enough for me (of course, that's just personal taste). And even though my bass has good sustain and I can play various chord voicings, the vocoded effect was weak as a bass effect - the tracking was very choppy and irregular in a variety of frequency ranges. Sustained keyboards blended with certain types of vocals seemed to work the best. If I played keys I *might* see the use for one. So I'm not sure if it would be practical to hook everyone up to it - maybe just the mics and keys? It was definitely fun to play with though. -- TG -----Original Message----- From: Roger Morrison [mailto:rminsd@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:43 PM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Vocode the band If I may ask about a nonlooping piece of Electrix gear that is in the rack of many loopers, what have been people's experiences with using the Warp Factory in a live setting? I'm pondering running mics (contact mics?) from other players' setups (say, the high hat, a bass or guitar amp, or the vocals) into a small rack mixer and then choosing an input to modulate guitar or bass (loops or nonloops). Do band mates tolerate this kind of (a) wiring all over the place and (b) hijacking of signal? (Actually, I am relatively new in town [SD] and not currently in a band, but the urge grows stronger daily, and my Warp Factory purchase on ebay may well be the last straw.) Thanks, Roger Morrison _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 04:17:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA05316; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 03:55:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 03:55:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.27.56.186] From: "Roger Morrison" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Vocode the band Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 00:43:20 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Sep 2001 07:43:20.0695 (UTC) FILETIME=[ECDF2870:01C13CF0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry about that--San Diego. It's quite a change from my previous place of residence, Manhattan ('nuff said). >From: Mark Sottilaro >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: OT: Vocode the band >Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 00:23:47 -0700 > >Where's SD? > >Mark > >Roger Morrison wrote: > > > If I may ask about a nonlooping piece of Electrix gear that is in the >rack > > of many loopers, what have been people's experiences with using the Warp > > Factory in a live setting? I'm pondering running mics (contact mics?) >from > > other players' setups (say, the high hat, a bass or guitar amp, or the > > vocals) into a small rack mixer and then choosing an input to modulate > > guitar or bass (loops or nonloops). Do band mates tolerate this kind of >(a) > > wiring all over the place and (b) hijacking of signal? > > > > (Actually, I am relatively new in town [SD] and not currently in a band, >but > > the urge grows stronger daily, and my Warp Factory purchase on ebay may >well > > be the last straw.) > > > > Thanks, > > > > Roger Morrison _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 04:27:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06826; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 04:04:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 04:04:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: Repeater Latency Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 00:54:00 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3BA1AAA8.744@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Scott, there is bug associated with resample and sleep that creates latency. If you select resample and don't select a source after you have recorded a track, it will create a delayed playback when you press play or record. Also, putting the unit into sleep can result in a similar problem. Try resetting the power if you were in sleep mode. Or you can go back into resample, select a source track, press resample one more time and then cancel by pressing stop. This is supposed to reset the error. Apparently this has been fixed and will be part of the upcoming OS update. -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: scott kungha drengsen [mailto:kungha@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:59 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater Latency Has anyone noticed,or been bothered by,the signal latency Kimm descibed in the Repeater?? Thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 04:27:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06803; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 04:03:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 04:03:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: Food for Thoughts 1 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 00:54:59 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow. That shoe fits. -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Mulvihill [mailto:kmulvihill@mediaone.net] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 12:01 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Food for Thoughts 1 "I sit in one of the dives On Fifty-second Street Uncertain and afraid As the clever hopes expire Of a low dishonest decade; Waves of anger and fear Circulate over the bright And darkened lands of the earth, Obsessing our private lives; The unmentionable odour of death Offends the September night." - W. H. Auden, September 1, 1939. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 05:34:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA09991; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 05:10:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 05:10:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: o.malhomme@club.lemonde.fr Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:56:34 +0200 (CEST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: AAARRRGHHHH my jam man died tonight !!! X-Mailer: Medianet/v1.14 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id EAA08575 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I hope you people can shed some light on my poor self before spending 4 times the price of the unit in servicing... Suddenly all led went off. simply. If I unplug and re-plug the power line, all leds light together during 3 sec then everything goes dead. I can reproduce that as much as I want. Any idea about the kind of problem it may have???? If it helps to locate the trouble, I had worked for an hour with the phantom power of my mixing desk on (using microphones). The Jam Man was only in inserts of the desk ( a mackie CR 1604) and not even plugged back in the aux return but I quite remember one day the sounds of the vortex getting distorted when the phantom power was switched on, so maybe the Jam Man is equelly sensitive and it killed it? Thank you in advance Olivier Malhomme From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 05:57:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA10610; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 05:35:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 05:35:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c501c13cfe$98713400$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <20010913160200.92670.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Odd Time Shift? Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:21:08 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I always keep my folders sorted in the order of Time Received. However since Tuesday I've been seeing a number of posts on LD that clearly have been delayed in coming through. For instance I got the message from Tom Ritchford sent Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:23:15 -0400, after getting the message sent by Tim Goodwin on Fri, 14 Sep 2001 04:03:58 -0400. Obviously if this were just one or two individuals one could say, "they've got their clock set wrong", but it's happening to more than a few, and it has distinctly been going on since Tuesday. Any ideas what could cause this? By the way, wonderful posts, Kevin M. Particularly Melville's piece, which oddly enough reflects a cartoon I'm finishing up, which will be posted later today. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 06:14:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA11189; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 05:52:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 05:52:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010914022140.025a9140@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 02:35:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Repeater Latency In-Reply-To: References: <3BA1AAA8.744@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com no, that is absolutely nothing to do with the problem I noted. The direct audio path through the repeater apparently passes through the digital domain and the dsp processor and encounters a significant latency in the process. It's quite noticeable to me when I play direct through it. It does this right out of power up. Whatever you are talking about below is some other problem that has nothing to do with what I experienced. You can easily do a test of this. Just run some source material direct through the repeater and in parallel in your mixer. don't record any loops or anything, just direct through repeater vs parallel path. To me it sounds like a short slap back delay. when I play direct through it, I can definitely feel this delay. I'm sorry, but this seems like a fundamental architecture thing, not something that is fixed with a few lines of code. kim At 12:54 AM 9/14/2001, Tim Goodwin wrote: >Scott, there is bug associated with resample and sleep that creates latency. >If you select resample and don't select a source after you have recorded a >track, it will create a delayed playback when you press play or record. >Also, putting the unit into sleep can result in a similar problem. Try >resetting the power if you were in sleep mode. Or you can go back into >resample, select a source track, press resample one more time and then >cancel by pressing stop. This is supposed to reset the error. > >Apparently this has been fixed and will be part of the upcoming OS update. > >-- >Tim > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: scott kungha drengsen [mailto:kungha@earthlink.net] >Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:59 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Repeater Latency > > >Has anyone noticed,or been bothered by,the signal latency Kimm descibed >in the Repeater?? >Thanks ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 06:20:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA11462; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 05:58:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 05:58:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010914054200.007e8ac0@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 05:42:00 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: OT: Vocode the band In-Reply-To: <3BA1B082.6BF08270@zerocrossing.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:23 AM 9/14/01 -0700, you wrote: >Where's SD? Just S of ND. >Roger Morrison wrote: > >Do band mates tolerate this kind of (a) >> wiring all over the place and (b) hijacking of signal? Depends on your bandmates. I've had some that wouldn't have, so I've found some that would. -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 06:40:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA13225; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 06:17:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 06:17:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: mark.red@involvelearning.com Subject: Re: 128 meg card To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.4 June 8, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:02:25 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on mail/External/InvolveLearning(Release 5.0.3 (Intl)|21 March 2000) at 09/14/2001 12:26:12 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone have a url for a cheap supplier of these THAT SHIPS INTERNATIONAL. (I am in Norway) MArk Red "Neil Goldstein" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: 128 meg card 13/09/2001 23:09 Please respond to Loopers-Delig ht Just got my Simpletech card, and it formatted OK on my RPTR. The $15 rebate is good through 9/15/01 For benefit of anyone who missed the email: >i ordered this same card for $89 at www.emscomputing.com >should be in today... Good find! You can still make use of the rebate, another $15 off! http://simple.rebateform.com/030521/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 06:40:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA13222; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 06:17:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 06:17:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: Repeater - defect flash card? Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:04:24 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010914022140.025a9140@loopers-delight.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <8PcJgB.A._HD.TZdo7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Over here Repeater refuses to format the flash card that came with it. How many of you have experienced this problem? Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 06:46:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA13486; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 06:25:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 06:25:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: Odd Time Shift? Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 03:16:27 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00c501c13cfe$98713400$0201a8c0@stephen> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com But the real question is - was Tom's email a lower pitch than normal? -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: Stephen P. Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 2:21 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Odd Time Shift? For instance I got the message from Tom Ritchford sent Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:23:15 -0400, after getting the message sent by Tim Goodwin on Fri, 14 Sep 2001 04:03:58 -0400. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 07:42:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA16040; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 07:18:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 07:18:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: Repeater Latency Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 04:10:17 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010914022140.025a9140@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has Electrix responded to this? Damon? -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 2:36 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater Latency no, that is absolutely nothing to do with the problem I noted. The direct audio path through the repeater apparently passes through the digital domain and the dsp processor and encounters a significant latency in the process. It's quite noticeable to me when I play direct through it. It does this right out of power up. Whatever you are talking about below is some other problem that has nothing to do with what I experienced. You can easily do a test of this. Just run some source material direct through the repeater and in parallel in your mixer. don't record any loops or anything, just direct through repeater vs parallel path. To me it sounds like a short slap back delay. when I play direct through it, I can definitely feel this delay. I'm sorry, but this seems like a fundamental architecture thing, not something that is fixed with a few lines of code. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 08:15:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA17081; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 07:53:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 07:53:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010914042154.0266d0f8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 04:37:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: SV: Demo of Repeater in slomo? In-Reply-To: References: <3BA1206F.886B4BAF@wxs.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <-Gx4O.A.UEE.fyeo7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:19 PM 9/13/2001, Per Boysen wrote: > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > > Robert van der Kamp > > Am I correct that when changing the pitch of a given track, its > > speed does not change? > >Yes, that's correct. And the other way around; if you change speed the track >does not change pitch. > > > Supose I want 'real' slomo, changing both the speed and pitch > > of all 4 tracks, and the Repeater is synced to an external clock, > > what would I do to get this done? > >Try bringing down the tempo of that external clock. But Repeater does not >change tempo on the spot, it kind of slows down over a couple of beats. What Robert is looking for is an effect like tape speed change, or delay time change on old delays, where changing the speed *does* change the pitch. Among Loopers, that effect has always been see as a good and desireable thing, while among remix artists it is apparently a bad thing. (I assume that is why the repeater doesn't work that way?) So no, the repeater does not do the tape speed slow down effect. Speed and pitch change are independent. You could probably rig up a midi continuous controller setup where two midi cc messages were sent at the same time to control both pitch and time. (I haven't tried this, so I don't know if it works or how much it sounds like a real slow-down effect.) With real tape speed or delay time slow downs you don't get artifacts in the audio. with sustained sounds in the repeater, you get artifacts when you time stretc. I have experienced that with long sustained chords the speed correction causes artifacts after 5-10BPM of change. Some of you probably want those artifacts, so it is good I guess. If you weren't expecting it, you'll probably find it annoying. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 08:45:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA19296; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 08:22:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 08:22:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010914120930.37516.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 05:09:30 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: SV: Demo of Repeater in slomo? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010914042154.0266d0f8@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim- I believe cc# 14 will simultaneously control both pitch & tempo. John --- Kim Flint wrote: > What Robert is looking for is an effect like tape > speed change, or delay > time change on old delays, where changing the speed > *does* change the > pitch. Among Loopers, that effect has always been > see as a good and > desireable thing, while among remix artists it is > apparently a bad thing. > (I assume that is why the repeater doesn't work that > way?) > > So no, the repeater does not do the tape speed slow > down effect. Speed and > pitch change are independent. You could probably rig > up a midi continuous > controller setup where two midi cc messages were > sent at the same time to > control both pitch and time. (I haven't tried this, > so I don't know if it > works or how much it sounds like a real slow-down > effect.) With real tape > speed or delay time slow downs you don't get > artifacts in the audio. with > sustained sounds in the repeater, you get artifacts > when you time stretc. I > have experienced that with long sustained chords the > speed correction > causes artifacts after 5-10BPM of change. Some of > you probably want those > artifacts, so it is good I guess. If you weren't > expecting it, you'll > probably find it annoying. > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | > http://www.loopers-delight.com > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 09:37:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA23141; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 09:14:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 09:14:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Cc: Subject: Re: bump-Bang !/Good bye Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 08:57:48 -0500 Message-ID: <01c13d25$3d0e0da0$1d304b0c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snips - -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:46 PM Subject: Re: bump-Bang ! >I take offense to the "absolutely impossible to improvise with such a >limitation" Basically what you are saying is that I've never (or any >JamMan user) improvised without being able to go immediatly into >overdub. That's rediculous. Maybe you weaklings aren't able to, but >the strong among us seem to handle this limitation fairly well. I guess >when your looper doesn't have an "undo" function for little babies, you >have to grow up tough. When I was your age, I had to duct tape an >analog delay pedal to my guitar and walk uphill to the battle of the >bands in the snow! Damn kids! GET OFF MY LAWN! > >Mark Sottilaro > Mark - looks like dt had the right idea. Weaklings? babies? Battle of the bands in snow, what is going on with this list? I'm lost here lately, can't seem to crack the fun(ny) inflections most seem to be peppering their e-mails with. Yesterday my e-mail to the group and Damon was responded to by him with three words or four words, none of them answered my questions. I responded to Damon off list, I wasn't annoyed, just interested in a piece of gear that I own and enjoy using. He hasn't responded. It just seems that tempers are high, and I think i'd much rather monitor this list off line (control the information flow, I was reading McLuhan last night, after not having read him for ten years or so, he still tickles my brain bone) than feel as confused as I have been reading posts which may or may not be in jest. So best of luck to all and keep the loop going. PedrOOrdeP (in NYC, still looping with an EDP, RPTR, Digitech RDS 8000, PDS 8000, MPX 500, Rocktron Intellifex, et cetera) Many, many thanks to all of the wonderful, kind loopers i've met (electronically) who have questioned, answered, and spilled over with information on so many topics that have truly helped my looping capabilities having never met me, simply by making music and discussing it in this forum. Extra special kudos and extended good vibes to Kim, Stig, Matthias, Andre, both Mark S. and Mark R., Luca (!), dt, Damon and all of the rest of ya'll. I'm not bailing just getting some air. See ya round the loop.... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 12:00:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31245; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 11:37:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 11:37:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 08:47:52 -0700 From: glenn Subject: Re: OT: Food for Thoughts 5 In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hate is still hate. "Blind patriotism is more dangerous than no patriotism at all." - Benjamin Franklin on 9/14/01 12:09 AM, Kevin Mulvihill at kmulvihill@mediaone.net wrote: > When you look at the delighted faces of > Palestinians cheering in the streets, we have to realize that there are > cultures on this planet of such depravity that understanding them is never > fully possible. And empathy for them at such a moment is obscene. But we can > observe and remember. There is always a tension between civilization and > barbarism, and the barbarians are now here. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 12:13:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31817; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 11:50:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 11:50:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 08:35:09 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: OT: Vocode the band Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4h46iD.A.knH.cPio7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >If I may ask about a nonlooping piece of Electrix gear that is in >the rack of many loopers, what have been people's experiences with >using the Warp Factory in a live setting? my only gripe regarding the WarpFactory in a live setup (which i haven't done yet...it sits in my studio rack) would be that there is no 'mix' knob for the robot pitch knob. It's such a cool distinctive sound of the vocoder, but man... if you're not using the robot pitch and then you want to use it, it pops out of nowhere and is pretty loud on its introduction into the signal. since we have the electrix crew here on list and lots of other warpfactory users...could a mix pot for the robot pitch be added in as a mod somehow? is that even remotely realistic? >Do band mates tolerate this kind of (a) wiring all over the place >and (b) hijacking of signal? hmm...are you asking first? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 12:19:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32004; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 11:56:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 11:56:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 08:40:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: AAARRRGHHHH my jam man died tonight !!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Olivier, check the LD website... If i remember, kim put up info on how to put the jammie into a test mode. see if that works. rich >I hope you people can shed some light on my poor self before spending 4 >times the price of the unit in servicing... > >Suddenly all led went off. >simply. If I unplug and re-plug the power line, all leds light together >during 3 sec then everything goes dead. I can reproduce that as much as >I want. >Any idea about the kind of problem it may have???? > >If it helps to locate the trouble, I had worked for an hour with the >phantom power of >my mixing desk on (using microphones). >The Jam Man was only in inserts of the desk ( a mackie CR 1604) and not >even plugged >back in the aux return but I quite remember one day the sounds of the >vortex getting >distorted when the phantom power was switched on, so maybe the Jam Man >is equelly >sensitive and it killed it? > >Thank you in advance > >Olivier Malhomme From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 12:23:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00874; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:00:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:00:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:45:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: OT Re: Roland Wave Processor Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Hamburg wrote: >Here is what I would like (or think I would like): > >Per string fuzz into per string filter (e.g., something like the slow filter >setting on the Line6 FM4). I'd like to have the filters for the strings >offset based on the tuning relationship of the strings with the ability to >sweep all of them using an expression pedal. I'm thinking in terms of a >hexaphone Line6 DM4 followed by Line6 FM4 set up -- probably with some >simplifications to each of the stages. > >Will the VG stuff do this? > >Will the VG do a decent Pat Metheny GR300 brass sound? > >Mark I think the Wave Processor is a great idea, but agree with Mark that I would like to see something a little more full featured. How about a basic synth architecture thing, per string having your waveform choices, modifiers (filters, delay lines) and then controllers, i.e. envelope generator, envelope follower and LFO. I'm picturing a faceplate like a old SH era synth, with roughly the density of a Korg Electribe unit in terms of knobs and buttons. I also would like to hear more from VG users about strengths and weaknesses of the various VG's. Best- Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 12:23:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00875; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:00:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:00:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BA22691.53E4C4F9@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 08:47:28 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater Latency References: <3BA1AAA8.744@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Scott, you should go back to the archives and follow the midi synch and the workaround thread. It's a bug in the Loop Point Assist algorithm. Mark Sottilaro scott kungha drengsen wrote: > Has anyone noticed,or been bothered by,the signal latency Kimm descibed > in the Repeater?? > Thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 12:47:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02409; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:24:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:24:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010914160859.79921.qmail@web12003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 09:08:59 -0700 (PDT) From: philip raath Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #540 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200109140737.DAA04597@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Mark Sottilaro > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: bump-Bang ! > > I take offense to the "absolutely impossible to > improvise with such a > limitation" Basically what you are saying is that > I've never (or any > JamMan user) improvised without being able to go > immediatly into > overdub. That's rediculous. Maybe you weaklings > aren't able to, but > the strong among us seem to handle this limitation > fairly well. I guess > when your looper doesn't have an "undo" function for > little babies, you > have to grow up tough. When I was your age, I had > to duct tape an > analog delay pedal to my guitar and walk uphill to > the battle of the > bands in the snow! Damn kids! GET OFF MY LAWN! > > Mark Sottilaro > YEAH! i mean, how long i been looping (and improverising) on that there boomerang(without no upgrade mind ye, means no immediate overdubin')and i can't remember the last time i had a bump. i play plenty o' ambient shit, i play w/ some durned drastic dynamics. don't run across many bumps though. must just be lucky i guess. (or i practiced and developed a new skill). remember to smile, phil ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 12:57:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02823; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:34:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:34:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c13d4b$35d6ddc0$1f729818@default> From: "Daniel" To: Cc: , Subject: Fw: OT: Food for Thoughts 5 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:29:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Glenn , Kevin not to criticise you, but your opinion is reactionary and unwarranted clearly you have no grasp of international politics or social studies. Tho it's understandable due to the situation. I should suggest to talk to any arab or afghan, pakistani neighbour and find abit more about their point of views. Also take a course in Arab studies. Only will understanding and it's quest will prevail over ignorance and violence. Clearly David Torn for instance has been who has studied east asian and middle eastern culture. I was hoping for him to participate in any cultural viewpoint. To put to you bluntly as the rest of the 3rd world sees it, wouldn't you cheer if your Mother in law's house burned down or the neighbourhood bully got beaten up. It's only human and responsive of certain Western power's foreign policies of which you have yet to find out. east meets west and never shall the twain meet. ----- Original Message ----- From: "glenn" To: Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 9:47 AM Subject: Re: OT: Food for Thoughts 5 > Hate is still hate. > > "Blind patriotism is more > dangerous than no patriotism at all." - Benjamin Franklin > > on 9/14/01 12:09 AM, Kevin Mulvihill at kmulvihill@mediaone.net wrote: > > > When you look at the delighted faces of > > Palestinians cheering in the streets, we have to realize that there are > > cultures on this planet of such depravity that understanding them is never > > fully possible. And empathy for them at such a moment is obscene. But we can > > observe and remember. There is always a tension between civilization and > > barbarism, and the barbarians are now here. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 13:11:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03431; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:48:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:48:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c13d3a$cd2a8d40$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Eric Williamson" From: "Eric Williamson" To: Subject: Re: OT: Vocode the band Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 11:32:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >since we have the electrix crew here on list and lots of other >warpfactory users...could a mix pot for the robot pitch be added in >as a mod somehow? most likely not. it's probably all dsp from input to output. my only "gripe" about the warpfactory is that the bypass is only a dsp bypass ... the signal still goes through the latency of the converters AND gets munged by the sampling rate too. so it's late and lacking in high end. this isn't an issue for people with enough routing. i'm not worried. as far as vocoding in a band goes, the most fun I had at the Peoria Pizza Works Thursday Night Open Stage (www.mtco.com/~bradshaw) was when we played some damn Stones disco tune that had some "Whoo-hoo-uhhoooo" part in it, and i started singing (with my telephone handset mic) into the vocoder of my MS2000. considering the reason they liked having me around was my Hammond organ (and not my playing), this was appreciated by the open stage peeps as much as it was by me. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 13:50:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06199; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 13:27:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 13:27:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003f01c13d40$83894fe0$0301a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Om_Audio \(Clifford Novey\)" To: "Loopers Delight" References: <000c01c13d3a$cd2a8d40$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: OT: Vocode the band Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:12:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Do I actually see a glass of liquid on TOP of your B3??? A cigarette hanging from your pie hole or scorching the top would be less risky (cancer factor not included) and still exude the rock-and-roller stylee! ;) "Sympathy For The Devil" is prob the tune you speak of- As for Warp Factory- I think the idea of having it patched into a mixer to allow any input to be either the source or formant is a great idea and allows full mix control over orig signal and wet slobbery one. Om > as far as vocoding in a band goes, the most fun I had at the Peoria Pizza Works > Thursday Night Open Stage (www.mtco.com/~bradshaw) was when we played some damn > Stones disco tune that had some "Whoo-hoo-uhhoooo" part in it, and i started > singing (with my telephone handset mic) into the vocoder of my MS2000. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 14:01:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06648; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 13:38:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 13:38:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Sender: rob@hemlock.violacea.com Message-ID: <3BA23E7F.AF3324F@wxs.nl> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 19:29:35 +0200 From: Robert van der Kamp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SV: Demo of Repeater in slomo? References: <20010914120930.37516.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com John Tidwell wrote: > Kim- > > I believe cc# 14 will simultaneously control both > pitch & tempo. > > John Good. But what if the Repeater is slaved to an external sync clock? Will it still allow speed changes (hope it does)? - Robert From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 14:02:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06649; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 13:38:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 13:38:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Sender: rob@hemlock.violacea.com Message-ID: <3BA23E3C.37FA2B03@wxs.nl> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 19:28:28 +0200 From: Robert van der Kamp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SV: Demo of Repeater in slomo? References: <3BA1206F.886B4BAF@wxs.nl> <5.1.0.14.2.20010914042154.0266d0f8@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2jiq8.A.BfB.L2jo7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim Flint wrote: > At 02:19 PM 9/13/2001, Per Boysen wrote: > > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > > > Robert van der Kamp > > > Am I correct that when changing the pitch of a given track, its > > > speed does not change? > > > >Yes, that's correct. And the other way around; if you change speed the track > >does not change pitch. > > > > > Supose I want 'real' slomo, changing both the speed and pitch > > > of all 4 tracks, and the Repeater is synced to an external clock, > > > what would I do to get this done? > > > >Try bringing down the tempo of that external clock. But Repeater does not > >change tempo on the spot, it kind of slows down over a couple of beats. > > What Robert is looking for is an effect like tape speed change, or delay > time change on old delays, where changing the speed *does* change the > pitch. Correct. > Among Loopers, that effect has always been see as a good and > desireable thing, while among remix artists it is apparently a bad thing. > (I assume that is why the repeater doesn't work that way?) > > So no, the repeater does not do the tape speed slow down effect. Speed and > pitch change are independent. You could probably rig up a midi continuous > controller setup where two midi cc messages were sent at the same time to > control both pitch and time. (I haven't tried this, so I don't know if it > works or how much it sounds like a real slow-down effect.) With real tape > speed or delay time slow downs you don't get artifacts in the audio. with > sustained sounds in the repeater, you get artifacts when you time stretc. I > have experienced that with long sustained chords the speed correction > causes artifacts after 5-10BPM of change. Ah, and how do these artifacts sound? I'd love to hear this effect. BTW, pitch changes do not produce any artifacts? Only speed changes? > Some of you probably want those > artifacts, so it is good I guess. If you weren't expecting it, you'll > probably find it annoying. Now I'm curious! ;) I currently use an Emu sampler for the slowdown effect, and it does a beautiful job at that. I was hoping the the Repeater could provide me with a more real-time interface for the same trick. - Robert > > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 14:09:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07063; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 13:45:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 13:45:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB866@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: OT: Food for Thoughts 5 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 13:31:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C13D43.1129CDA0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C13D43.1129CDA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To put to you bluntly as the rest of the 3rd world sees it, wouldn't you cheer if your Mother in law's house burned down or the neighbourhood bully got beaten up. ** for what it's worth, *i* wouldn't - - and i won't when the next series of actions take place. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C13D43.1129CDA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: OT: Food for Thoughts 5

To put to you bluntly as the rest of the 3rd world sees it, wouldn't you
cheer if your Mother in law's house burned down or the neighbourhood bully
got beaten up.

** for what it's worth, *i* wouldn't  - - and i won't when the next series of actions take place.

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C13D43.1129CDA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 14:18:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07610; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 13:53:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 13:53:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010914103152.0265aec8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:36:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: SV: Demo of Repeater in slomo? In-Reply-To: <20010914120930.37516.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010914042154.0266d0f8@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:09 AM 9/14/2001, John Tidwell wrote: >Kim- > >I believe cc# 14 will simultaneously control both >pitch & tempo. > >John wow, I see you are right! I hadn't seen that in there before, it's pretty well buried in the midi implementation chart. I stand corrected. I'll have to try that. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 14:38:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10082; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 14:14:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 14:14:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006601c13d46$620d5310$04f9fea9@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: Subject: Re: Vocode the band Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 13:55:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm going to try using my looper output as a carrier, and the wavedrum output as the formant. Let you know how it goes. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 3:43 AM Subject: RE: Vocode the band > I didn't find the Warp Factory very useful with a stringed instrument. The > synth voice effects were very 'electronic' - not very organic (IMO). Sure, > I could make myself sound like Zorlon V from Planet Omega, but that wasn't > enough for me (of course, that's just personal taste). And even though my > bass has good sustain and I can play various chord voicings, the vocoded > effect was weak as a bass effect - the tracking was very choppy and > irregular in a variety of frequency ranges. Sustained keyboards blended > with certain types of vocals seemed to work the best. If I played keys I > *might* see the use for one. So I'm not sure if it would be practical to > hook everyone up to it - maybe just the mics and keys? > > It was definitely fun to play with though. > > -- > TG > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roger Morrison [mailto:rminsd@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:43 PM > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: OT: Vocode the band > > > If I may ask about a nonlooping piece of Electrix gear that is in the rack > of many loopers, what have been people's experiences with using the Warp > Factory in a live setting? I'm pondering running mics (contact mics?) from > other players' setups (say, the high hat, a bass or guitar amp, or the > vocals) into a small rack mixer and then choosing an input to modulate > guitar or bass (loops or nonloops). Do band mates tolerate this kind of (a) > wiring all over the place and (b) hijacking of signal? > > (Actually, I am relatively new in town [SD] and not currently in a band, but > the urge grows stronger daily, and my Warp Factory purchase on ebay may well > be the last straw.) > > Thanks, > > Roger Morrison > > ________________________________________________________________ _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 14:43:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10884; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 14:20:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 14:20:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BA24945.5CAE394@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 11:33:27 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Vocode the band References: <000c01c13d3a$cd2a8d40$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> <003f01c13d40$83894fe0$0301a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Om_Audio (Clifford Novey)" wrote: > Do I actually see a glass of liquid on TOP of your B3??? A cigarette hanging > from your pie hole or scorching the top would be less risky (cancer factor > not included) and still exude the rock-and-roller stylee! ;) > > "Sympathy For The Devil" is prob the tune you speak of- > > As for Warp Factory- I think the idea of having it patched into a mixer to > allow any input to be either the source or formant is a great idea and > allows full mix control over orig signal and wet slobbery one. > > Om > > > as far as vocoding in a band goes, the most fun I had at the Peoria Pizza > Works > > Thursday Night Open Stage (www.mtco.com/~bradshaw) was when we played some > damn > > Stones disco tune that had some "Whoo-hoo-uhhoooo" part in it, and i > started > > singing (with my telephone handset mic) into the vocoder of my MS2000. > > sftd disco? don't know about that! lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 14:44:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11040; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 14:21:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 14:21:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009801c13d47$5cbf0740$04f9fea9@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: Subject: OT Re: Roland Wave Processor Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 14:02:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The biggest issue for me is that with the synth models on the VG, you have to be supremely careful not to throw off the modeler with any string/finger/misc noises. You get nasty garbage out of the unit when that happens apparently. However, I recently saw Philip Lambe play a SITAR, yes a SITAR, into a VG-8 and double the piezo pickup with the sound of the sitar through one of the synth models. Sounded f***ing awesome. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Landman" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 5:45 PM Subject: Re: OT Re: Roland Wave Processor > Mark Hamburg wrote: > > >Here is what I would like (or think I would like): > > > >Per string fuzz into per string filter (e.g., something like the slow filter > >setting on the Line6 FM4). I'd like to have the filters for the strings > >offset based on the tuning relationship of the strings with the ability to > >sweep all of them using an expression pedal. I'm thinking in terms of a > >hexaphone Line6 DM4 followed by Line6 FM4 set up -- probably with some > >simplifications to each of the stages. > > > >Will the VG stuff do this? > > > >Will the VG do a decent Pat Metheny GR300 brass sound? > > > >Mark > > I think the Wave Processor is a great idea, but agree with Mark that I > would like to see something a little more full featured. > > How about a basic synth architecture thing, per string having your waveform > choices, modifiers (filters, delay lines) and then controllers, i.e. > envelope generator, envelope follower and LFO. > > I'm picturing a faceplate like a old SH era synth, with roughly the density > of a Korg Electribe unit in terms of knobs and buttons. > > I also would like to hear more from VG users about strengths and weaknesses > of the various VG's. > > Best- > > Mark > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 14:45:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11078; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 14:22:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 14:22:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a801c13d47$899a7ce0$04f9fea9@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: Re: OT Re: Roland Wave Processor Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 14:03:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wups, typo. That would be Philip Lampe. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 2:02 PM Subject: OT Re: Roland Wave Processor > The biggest issue for me is that with the synth models on the > VG, you have to be supremely careful not to throw off the > modeler with any string/finger/misc noises. You get nasty > garbage out of the unit when that happens apparently. > > However, I recently saw Philip Lambe play a SITAR, yes a SITAR, > into a VG-8 and double the piezo pickup with the sound of the > sitar through one of the synth models. Sounded f***ing awesome. > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Landman" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 5:45 PM > Subject: Re: OT Re: Roland Wave Processor > > > > Mark Hamburg wrote: > > > > >Here is what I would like (or think I would like): > > > > > >Per string fuzz into per string filter (e.g., something like > the slow filter > > >setting on the Line6 FM4). I'd like to have the filters for > the strings > > >offset based on the tuning relationship of the strings with > the ability to > > >sweep all of them using an expression pedal. I'm thinking in > terms of a > > >hexaphone Line6 DM4 followed by Line6 FM4 set up -- probably > with some > > >simplifications to each of the stages. > > > > > >Will the VG stuff do this? > > > > > >Will the VG do a decent Pat Metheny GR300 brass sound? > > > > > >Mark > > > > I think the Wave Processor is a great idea, but agree with > Mark that I > > would like to see something a little more full featured. > > > > How about a basic synth architecture thing, per string having > your waveform > > choices, modifiers (filters, delay lines) and then > controllers, i.e. > > envelope generator, envelope follower and LFO. > > > > I'm picturing a faceplate like a old SH era synth, with > roughly the density > > of a Korg Electribe unit in terms of knobs and buttons. > > > > I also would like to hear more from VG users about strengths > and weaknesses > > of the various VG's. > > > > Best- > > > > Mark > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 14:46:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11079; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 14:22:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 14:22:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Repeater's bump-Bang ! Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 11:09:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <7eIhE.A.tXC.heko7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Mark, Thanks for the positive side. As for the next OS (1.2 not 2.0) we have squashed and are squashing the MIDI sync bugs. "dry mute" is in. Ending record with overdub will have to wait untill another release. >Hey Damon and Everyone else at Electrix- >It occurs to me that you folks all deserve a hearty "thanks" for presenting >us with the Repeater, so I'd like to say just that. Thanks!!! >I'm enthused about my purchase (I bought two!), and I suspect most of us >are, despite minor reservations, surprises, and glitches. Hopefully you'll >take the continued passionate interest in discussing Repeater on LD as >indicative of our support, despite the occasional (o.k., more than >occasional) stridency that creeps in. >Frankly, even if there was never another O.S., I'd be satisfied with my >purchase. Granted, not everything is as I hoped for, but on the other hand >I'm finding workarounds, and just plain learning to accept different ways >of doing things. >If I was asked what things should be upgraded or changed, I can at this >point only think of three, and I believe you've got two of them covered for >the next O.S., specifically- >1) Midi Sync Bug squashing >2) Input Mute >3) Ending record with overdub >Best wishes to all of you up north, and thanks again for a marvelous product- >Sincerely, >Mark Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 14:49:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11311; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 14:26:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 14:26:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: SV: Demo of Repeater in slomo? Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 11:15:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <5x8K6.A.WeC.Skko7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >So no, the repeater does not do the tape speed slow down effect. Speed and >pitch change are independent. Not true. MIDI CC 14 (MSB) and 46 (LSB) control time and pitch together. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 14:50:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11305; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 14:26:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 14:26:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a001c13d5b$61389160$1f729818@default> From: "Daniel" To: References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB866@migarexch01.maritz.com> Subject: Re: OT: Food for Thoughts 5 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 14:25:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009D_01C13D29.16396C20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <6C-nIC.A.jiC.Flko7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009D_01C13D29.16396C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: OT: Food for Thoughts 5hmmmmmm go ahead delude yourself ------=_NextPart_000_009D_01C13D29.16396C20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: OT: Food for Thoughts 5
hmmmmmm
go ahead delude yourself
------=_NextPart_000_009D_01C13D29.16396C20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 15:09:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12568; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 14:49:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 14:49:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3BA23E3C.37FA2B03@wxs.nl> References: <3BA1206F.886B4BAF@wxs.nl> <5.1.0.14.2.20010914042154.0266d0f8@loopers-delight.com> <3BA23E3C.37FA2B03@wxs.nl> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 11:36:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: SV: Demo of Repeater in slomo? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com very interested in the CC #14 pitch and tempo change... has anybody tried this? how does it sound compared to 'old school' delays? does it add in any artifacts, since it's doing algorithms on both tempo and pitch independent of each other to 'mimic' a combined tempo/pitch change, or is it nice and clean by tying tempo and pitch directly together, like the old delays? jeepers...did that make any sense whatsoever? best, rich if any repeater users have POD's... you can check out this tempo/pitch function easy enough with no programming. one of the knobs sends CC#14. the drive knob? or bass? can't remember... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 15:39:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14828; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 15:16:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 15:16:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:08:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: RE: SV: Demo of Repeater in slomo? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Regarding the time/pitch slowdown, I'm guessing you could approximate this by first slowing the tempo (Repeater slows playback and compensates for the downward pitch change by pitch shifting upward), then second pitchshifting downward to defeat Repeaters compensatory pitchshifting. This could probably be done at one time by any midi/computer gurus out there with an interest... Granted, this probably isn't going to sound exactly like the slowdown effect we're used to, but I bet it'll do the job. Best- Mark >>So no, the repeater does not do the tape speed slow down effect. Speed and >>pitch change are independent. > >Not true. MIDI CC 14 (MSB) and 46 (LSB) control time and pitch together. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 15:46:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15093; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 15:23:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 15:23:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: Damon@electrixpro.com From: "p koniuto" Subject: RE: Repeater's bump-Bang ! Message-Id: <140901257.43814@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:10:32 -0700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Damon: Got my Repeater on Tuesday, so haven't had much brainpower to try it out much, but it does sound awesome with what little i've done with it! Good work! Just to clarify: >--- Original Message --- >From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" >Hey Mark, >Thanks for the positive side. As for the next OS (1.2 not 2.0) we have >squashed and are squashing the MIDI sync bugs. "dry mute" is in. Ending >record with overdub will have to wait untill another release. When you say "dry mute is in"...does that feature kill the sound of the input *while recording* (as i hope it does) ? Or will it function more like the FX instert button does now when nothing's plugged into it (the work around you suggested earlier)? That work around kills the input altogether, yes? Basically like turning the input level down quickly? I'd like to be able to carry out *all* looping functions without ever having to hear the dry sound come out of the repeater, since i'm working with a mixer. I guess like a wet/dry mix, but without variable amounts. Dry there vs. only "wet". Is this what v1.2 will offer? Thanks, peter koniuto From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 16:35:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18140; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 16:10:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 16:10:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002901c13c9c$cab50430$6f87abd4@giogio> References: <002901c13c9c$cab50430$6f87abd4@giogio> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 16:58:33 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: bump-Bang ! Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Re: bump-Bang !
Luca invented:
I also agree with Matthias when he says that it absolutely impossible to think to improvvise with such a limitation.

I did not say "absolutely impossible"! Nor do I think it. I said:
- because you may be playing before you set up the blank loop, so you would either have a separate input control or stop playing while you set it up.

- even in a washy loop, there may be an acurate tempo, so I much prefer to tap this for what I actually play instead of having to keep the "silent timing".
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 16:36:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18152; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 16:10:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 16:10:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00c001c13c63$12c34320$ed29f7c2@zetnet.co.uk> References: <003801c13c2f$cee92580$7c44f93f@dnlsh01> <00c001c13c63$12c34320$ed29f7c2@zetnet.co.uk> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 16:56:48 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Line6 Echo Pro Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <5zBl0C.A.8AE.pEmo7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >No syncing????? huh? what's the deal with that? That's sooo easy to >do if the MIDI is already there!!! well, I spent a terrific time with it and Electrix probably too, before they released it with mentioned limitations... so what makes you think its sooo easy? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 16:36:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18147; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 16:10:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 16:10:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200108271811.OAA32361@www.editev.com> References: <200108271811.OAA32361@www.editev.com> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 16:58:50 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Line 6 crunchy digital yukiness Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Tim Nelson wrote: > >> I found that using sends I was overloading quite easily and had to >find the >> right 'sweet spot' to get a good level with low noise that wouldn't get >> crunchy on me. A hair in either direction can make a big difference. >> >> If you're running straight in, you may want to try a compressor before the >> looper, or at least something to attenuate your signal a bit. > >Amen on this. There is only a small region on the DL4 between >"not enough signal to process" and "distortion". > >This is somewhat less of a problem while looping but if you >use the box as an effects unit you'll run into this all the time. > >Dunno why manufacturers don't make a gentle, switchable >compressor/limiter as the first stage in their effects >units... There IS such limiter in the EDP. In the LOOP delay, it was perfect, in the EDP not quite, since we had to use emphasis to reduce noise, so the limiter is frequency dependent, but Kim adjusted it so it works well for a normal musical input signal. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 16:37:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18232; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 16:12:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 16:12:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3B9E7BA7.E68E516@zerocrossing.net> References: <3B9E7BA7.E68E516@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 17:00:07 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Repeater Synch Workaround. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Brett Maraldo wrote: > >> >> now the question is if you do follow Sottilaro's suggestion, can you >> in fact start up the loop with the master and have it work? let me go >> try it. >> >> no. it doesn't work. it's better but it still doesn't sync up. >> >> plexus >> > >Not sure what you mean by "start up the loop with the master" For my >work around >to work, you'll need to be listening to the beat as you make it. If you're >trying to make a loop separate without the drum track and synch it >afterwards... >not sure how that would happen, as it would be very hard to start the loop and >the drums exactly at the same time. At that point, they'd still >probably synch, >but would be reliant on you for starting them at the same time. Probably not >too much of a problem unless you're looping the same program your drum machine >is playing. I'll have to experiment on this, though this isn't the >way I'd work >with the Repeater. we worked a lot on this for the new EDP soft. Claude Voit was very helpfull to indicate the necessary functions to align MIDI machines with running loops, in both directions. He promissed to explain them himself, after he finishes the CD he is working on. Right, Claude? ;-) Watch out... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 16:39:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18363; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 16:16:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 16:16:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <014f01c13a0d$cc3a1930$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <014f01c13a0d$cc3a1930$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 17:00:19 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP question/etc. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <6zDGBB.A.yUE.yGmo7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >First, a "looper theory" question - >Does anybody know of a looping device that permits you to record your >initial loop in REVERSE? > >I have been thinking about this a great deal and, so far, I don't think this >is a necessary feature for any looper. Every looper that I'm aware of >requires that you record in the forward direction initially. Can anybody >think of a reason to record in REVERSE initially? > >It seems to me that you might want to record FORWARD then have the playback >start in REVERSE. But I don't see a reason to record initially in REVERSE. >Comments? In the new EDP version you can choose HalfSpeed in reset, so you can speed up the first recording later, but for Reverse I did not see any reason either. >In the meantime, doesn't the Againator have a precognition mode? I think >you set the pre-loop delay to a negative value or something....perhaps it's >listed under "look before you loop" in the index. no, thats a future model called Notyetter >------------------------ > >Second, an EDP observation - >In playing with REVERSE on the EDP, I got the UNDO LED to blink periodically >and I'm not sure what it's trying to tell me. II know, it looks like its speaking, but its just a stupid detail that comes out of the way we do and allow UNDO. I suppress it in the new version, just so it does not call attention. >In sequence, do: >1) Press RECORD; record a short loop. Press RECORD again to initiate >playback. >2) Press PARAMETER (to select the Timing row). >3) Press REVERSE (UNDO). > a) Loop playback reverses. > b) UNDO LED turns red. >4) Press UNDO. > a) UNDO LED turn green. > b) Loop plays back forward. > c) The UNDO LED blinks off then on at the beginning of the loop. > >So why does the LED blink? What's it mean? When its on, there is enough memory to do an Undo. When its off, its disabled, either because you overwrote the spot you want to go back to (not your example case) or because you have arrived at the beginning, at the first recording. After using functions like Undo, Reverse, Retrigger, Next... it can happen, that the later part of the loop still can be undone (so the LED is on), while in the beginning of it there is nothing left to undo, so it ends up blinking with loop time. To really understand it, you also have to consider that we decide at each loop end whether something new was added to the loop, and if not, we do AutoUndo, basically the same as Undo, to prevent the memory from filling up with the same unchanged loop. So when the LED is lit toards the end of the loop, AutoUndo sets it back to the place where nothing can be undone, so the LED goes off. Then toards the end of the loop, the LED is lit again, because we did not decide yet whether you did overdub or reduce feedback. I know its confusing. I recently spent a few hours with Claude to think it all through again and he ended up agreeing that we have the most flexible version as is, so we just applied a little trick to suppress the blinking in the case you mention. Its all a result of the freedom to Overdub and Undo whenever you want instead of thinking in entire layers as other designs do, which is easier to understand but less intuitive :-). I wonder how you treat all this in Kyma? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 17:14:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21083; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 16:51:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 16:51:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010914163413.007e91c0@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 16:34:13 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: OT: Vocode the band In-Reply-To: <003f01c13d40$83894fe0$0301a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> References: <000c01c13d3a$cd2a8d40$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No way. That's gotta be 'Miss You'... -t ps: since when is San Diego in South Dakota? :-) At 10:12 AM 9/14/01 -0700, you wrote: >"Sympathy For The Devil" is prob the tune you speak of- >> Stones disco tune that had some "Whoo-hoo-uhhoooo" part in it From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 18:00:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25818; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 17:38:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 17:38:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:20:13 -0700 From: "Jan Pek" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: swirlee@angelfire.com X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: enemy X-Sender-Ip: 152.18.33.36 Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the enemy lies within use compassion the enemy lies within use compassion the enemy lies within use compassion the enemy lies within use compassion the enemy lies within use compassion the enemy lies within use compassion the enemy lies within use compassion the enemy lies within use compassion the enemy lies within use compassion the enemy lies within use compassion the enemy lies within use compassion the enemy lies within use compassion the enemy lies within use compassion Get 250 color business cards for FREE! http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 18:09:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26053; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 17:46:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 17:46:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BA278F7.2D07@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 14:39:06 -0700 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater Latency References: <3BA1AAA8.744@earthlink.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20010914022140.025a9140@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim Flint wrote: , To me it sounds like a short > slap back delay. when I play direct through it, I can definitely feel this delay. Thank you for clarifying this Kim. It is a concern of mine and I'm wondering if anyone is noticing this in live situations.(or is everyone using a mixer?) I've been hoping to simplify my setup and plug into the 1/4 inch on the RPTR. (RPT-EDP-FX-back too-RPTR) Thanks Kungha From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 18:14:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26344; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 17:50:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 17:50:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: HarryEsq@aol.com Message-ID: <11a.401145a.28d3d288@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 17:37:12 EDT Subject: Re: Fw: OT: Food for Thoughts 5 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_11a.401145a.28d3d288_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10535 Resent-Message-ID: <2OAm2.A.2SG.tino7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_11a.401145a.28d3d288_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit you, sir, are way out of line - get a life - --part1_11a.401145a.28d3d288_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit you, sir, are way out of line - get a life - --part1_11a.401145a.28d3d288_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 18:27:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28088; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 18:05:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 18:05:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: HarryEsq@aol.com Message-ID: <120.4541199.28d3d5a5@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 17:50:29 EDT Subject: Re: OT: Food for Thoughts 5 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_120.4541199.28d3d5a5_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10535 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_120.4541199.28d3d5a5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message: 2 =A0=A0 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 17:59:31 EDT =A0=A0 From: texture444@aol.com Subject: we new york folk folks, fyi: i'm home, & 'safe'. my family is scattered ---some stranded by the lack of airflight--- but all=20 are safe, including my sister. we are still trying to locate & speak with some dear friends who live/work i= n=20 that wtc/tribeca area of nyc; we're hopeful. my deepest sympathy to any of you in dire straits resultant from this latest= =20 devastating lunacy. best, dt / s-c --part1_120.4541199.28d3d5a5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message: 2
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Subject: we new york folk

folks,
fyi:
i'm home, & 'safe'.
my family is scattered ---some stranded by the lack of airflight--- but=20= all=20
are safe, including my sister.
we are still trying to locate & speak with some dear friends who liv= e/work in=20
that wtc/tribeca area of nyc; we're hopeful.
my deepest sympathy to any of you in dire straits resultant from this la= test=20
devastating lunacy.
best,
dt / s-c
--part1_120.4541199.28d3d5a5_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 18:29:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28131; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 18:05:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 18:05:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007201c13d67$af71c840$b683abd4@giogio> From: "luca" To: Subject: Bang - the end Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 23:52:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006D_01C13D78.5C3FA7D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <6eLmXC.A.AeG.Rxno7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C13D78.5C3FA7D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable dear Matthias, sorry if I attributed to you things that I have maybe = read from another post. I am not in the habit to invent things, nor I = need to speak through other's mouth. dear Stig, I think we'd better not to judge each other's capabilities or = skill; even more if we don't know the people we are talking about. Maestro Mark, I really didn't think my words could offend anyone and = sure didn't want they did it. Dear ld members, it seems a certain level of nervous feeling is flying = over our heads.=20 I don't know if it depends from noble time of sadness,from superficial = superegos, or from the decision to stop be patient and not to accept = other's opinions, I just know my question was directed to one Company, = which I desired could respond to the list, not to me personally.=20 I think a reply given to the list is close to have the value of a = promise, and this is one of the motivations that are making a list = useful: it is a balanced way to talk to the Industry. I have been sad to read a lot of people (including me) who was asking = about the record/overdub function has not been given a reply (that = arrived finally, thanks Damon). My goal was making a clear question to receive a clear reply. Anyway, let's bring the tone down, I think we must bear enough examples = of bad attidudes these days. peace luca ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C13D78.5C3FA7D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
dear Matthias, sorry if I = attributed to you=20 things that I have maybe read from another post. I am not in = the habit=20 to invent things, nor I need to speak through other's = mouth.
 
dear Stig, I think we'd better not = to judge=20 each other's capabilities or skill; even more if we don't know the = people we are=20 talking about.
 
Maestro Mark, I really didn't think my = words could=20 offend anyone and sure didn't want they did it.
 
Dear ld members, it seems a certain = level of=20 nervous feeling is flying over our heads.
I don't know if it depends from noble = time of=20 sadness,from superficial superegos, or from the decision to stop be = patient and=20 not to accept other's opinions, I just know my question was directed to = one=20 Company, which I desired could respond to the list, not to me = personally.=20
I think a reply given to the list is = close to have=20 the value of a promise, and this is one of the motivations that are = making a=20 list useful: it is a balanced way to talk to the Industry.
I have been sad to read a lot of people = (including=20 me) who was asking about the record/overdub function has not = been=20 given  a reply (that arrived finally, thanks Damon).
My goal was making a clear question to = receive a=20 clear reply.
 
Anyway, let's bring the tone down, I = think=20 we must bear enough examples of bad attidudes these=20 days.
 
peace
luca
 
------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C13D78.5C3FA7D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 19:11:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30442; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 18:47:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 18:47:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Poppen" To: Subject: RE: OT: Vocode the band Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 15:33:29 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010914163413.007e91c0@pop.metrocast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How 'bout "Emotional Rescue"? > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Nelson [mailto:tnelson@metrocast.net] > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 1:34 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: OT: Vocode the band > > > No way. That's gotta be 'Miss You'... > > -t > > ps: since when is San Diego in South Dakota? :-) > > At 10:12 AM 9/14/01 -0700, you wrote: > >"Sympathy For The Devil" is prob the tune you speak of- > > >> Stones disco tune that had some "Whoo-hoo-uhhoooo" part in it > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 19:44:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA00617; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 19:21:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 19:21:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB86D@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Bang - the end Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 19:04:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C13D71.AC21CE60" Resent-Message-ID: <5c2-mC.A.W3H.j1oo7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C13D71.AC21CE60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" dear Stig, I think we'd better not to judge each other's capabilities or skill; even more if we don't know the people we are talking about. ** hi, i'm sorry if you took what i said as a slam. i see that it could've possibly been construed as such - - but personally i don't see it that way and didn't intend it to be that way. taken from the looper's delight archive, here's what was said: you said: "I also agree with Matthias when he says that it absolutely impossible to think to improvvise with such a limitation." i said: "** well, just for the record, there are people who improvise without this sort of thing all the time. you may not be able to do it and i may well be a desirable trait, but it can be done - - and i'll probably do it three or four times in the next week and a half." i will only edit it to say that i meant to say "and IT may well be a desirable trait," (not "i") since you said that you couldn't do it, i was trying to say that others could. maybe you wanted to say it's an integral part of you're doing it and you would prefer to have the machine to have the capability in question. stig (see the quote for youself at http://loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200109/msg00638.html ) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C13D71.AC21CE60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
 
 
dear Stig, I think we'd better not to judge each other's capabilities or skill; even more if we don't know the people we are talking about.
 
** hi,
 
i'm sorry if you took what i said as a slam. i see that it could've possibly been construed as such - - but personally i don't see it that way and didn't intend it to be that way.
 
taken from the looper's delight archive, here's what was said:
 
 
you said: "I also agree with Matthias when he says that it absolutely impossible to think to improvvise with such a limitation."
 
 
 
i said: "** well, just for the record, there are people who improvise without this sort of thing all the time. you may not be able to do it and i may well be a desirable trait, but it can be done - - and i'll probably do it three or four times in the next week and a half."
 
 
 
i will only edit it to say that i meant to say "and IT may well be a desirable trait," (not "i")
 
since you said that you couldn't do it, i was trying to say that others could. maybe you wanted to say it's an integral part of you're doing it and you would prefer to have the machine to have the capability in question.
 
 
stig
 
 
 
 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C13D71.AC21CE60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 19:51:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA00903; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 19:27:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 19:27:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BA28F84.73BCA16F@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 16:15:18 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bang - the end References: <007201c13d67$af71c840$b683abd4@giogio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh, I figured by now everyone would realize that I'm mostly sarcastic. I wasn't offended in the least. Nor do I feel EDP owners are weak. I did think it was silly to surmise that the lack of instant endloop/record would prevent one from being able to improvise while looping. It takes quite a lot to offend me. Mark Sottilaro luca wrote: > dear Matthias, sorry if I attributed to you things that I have maybe > read from another post. I am not in the habit to invent things, nor I > need to speak through other's mouth. dear Stig, I think we'd better > not to judge each other's capabilities or skill; even more if we don't > know the people we are talking about. Maestro Mark, I really didn't > think my words could offend anyone and sure didn't want they did > it. Dear ld members, it seems a certain level of nervous feeling is > flying over our heads.I don't know if it depends from noble time of > sadness,from superficial superegos, or from the decision to stop be > patient and not to accept other's opinions, I just know my question > was directed to one Company, which I desired could respond to the > list, not to me personally.I think a reply given to the list is close > to have the value of a promise, and this is one of the motivations > that are making a list useful: it is a balanced way to talk to the > Industry.I have been sad to read a lot of people (including me) who > was asking about the record/overdub function has not been given a > reply (that arrived finally, thanks Damon).My goal was making a clear > question to receive a clear reply. Anyway, let's bring the tone down, > I think we must bear enough examples of bad attidudes these > days. peaceluca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 20:38:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03881; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 20:14:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 20:14:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010914195348.007e6ba0@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 19:53:48 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: OT: Vocode the band In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.20010914163413.007e91c0@pop.metrocast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll stick with 'Miss You'; it actually has the aforementioned "Whoo-hoo-uhhoooo" part in the lyrics (it's half of the chorus), and those bass octave jumps are straight from Studio 54. Urgghhh, disco... 'Askin' people, ch-ch-ch, wassa matter whichoo, boy?' At 03:33 PM 9/14/01 -0700, you wrote: >How 'bout "Emotional Rescue"? > >> >> Stones disco tune that had some "Whoo-hoo-uhhoooo" part in it From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 22:28:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10021; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 22:06:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 22:06:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c13d89$b368faa0$903a4a42@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: OT: Loop Prayers Page Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 18:56:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C13D4F.06D7C800" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <1gTpv.A.nFC.JTro7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C13D4F.06D7C800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Neil has contributed a piece- Thank you-=20 www.omstudios.org Cliff ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C13D4F.06D7C800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Neil has contributed a piece- Thank = you-=20
 
www.omstudios.org
 
Cliff
 
------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C13D4F.06D7C800-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 22:35:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10322; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 22:13:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 22:13:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Karl Sangree" To: Subject: Newbie Alert! Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 22:03:46 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Resent-Message-ID: <_V_xaC.A.OaC.raro7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Last weekend, I was a participant in one of the most moving musical experiences in my life. I was at a didgeridoo gathering in Maryland and heard a performance by Tom Heasley, from Palo Alto, CA. http://www.bayimproviser.com/artistdetail.asp?artist_id=83 He played his tuba through a series of equipment like the Lexicon MPX1, T.C. Electronics D-TWO digital-delay and a Line 6 DL4. I want to try something like this with my digeridoos, and found the Looper’s Delight web site in my search for info. I want to do slow, meditative, type of looping. I have two newbie questions that have, most likely, been discussed ad infinitum/ad nauseam, on this forum, but I am so new I don’t know what to search for, so hear goes; 1. Is there a quintessential piece of entry-level looping equipment? 2. Is there a book titled “So, You Want to Get Into Looping?” or something like that. I would appreciate any help you guys could give me. Thanks, Karl "We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams" Willy Wonka From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 23:52:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14057; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 23:30:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 23:30:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: OT: Food for Thoughts 5 (Long) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 20:20:12 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 In-Reply-To: <001301c13d4b$35d6ddc0$1f729818@default> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Glenn, Kevin not to criticise you, but your opinion is reactionary and > unwarranted clearly you have no grasp of international politics or social > studies. Tho it's understandable due to the situation. Daniel, I graduated with honors from Louisiana State University with a major in Political Science and dual concentrations in both U.S. (domestic) Politics and International Relations. At what point would you consider my opinion schooled enough to be of some value? > I should suggest to talk to any arab or afghan, pakistani > neighbour and find > abit more about their point of views. Also take a course in Arab studies. > Only will understanding and it's quest will prevail over ignorance and > violence. Too bad you couldn't drop that last sentence in an email to Osama a few weeks ago, huh? Might have saved a few thousand innocent lives. The issue that I have with most of these posts that argue, essentially, that there's two sides that need to be heard, and the other side hasn't been heard, and so therefore they had to resort to this kind of action and the U.S., in some weird sort of way, deserves this because they didn't listen earlier when they had the chance, is as follows: Terrorists are extremists and the people who support them and their causes represent a *very small* minority of people on the planet. In the case of Osama bin Laden, he has declared a holy war on the United States and all of its people. He wishes to - and I am NOT overstating this - *exterminate* the American people. Really! Is there ANYONE on this list that supports this agenda? Is this what you would have us "understand"? I would suggest that terrorists do not represent the concerns of the mainstream populace anywhere on the planet - and even in Islamic countries since the Koran itself forbids the kind of activities that terrorists engage in. Terrorists are the disenfranchised, *because* they cannot mobilize significant support for their extreme causes even within their own countries. But, at some point, we have to ask ourselves: Where do we draw the line between who is heard on the global stage and who is not? If we are to listen to the agenda of one group, shouldn't we also listen to the agendas of groups of similar size and type of need? That would be fair, but surely you can see that there could be millions of such possible groups, if the groups were small enough. And all of them would be putting their self-serving - and frequently conflicting - agendas forward anyway. What will determine whose grievances get acted on? Do we listen only to those groups who are willing to kill people to put forward their grievances? If only the latter gets our attention, then aren't we, by listening to them and acting on their concerns, only encouraging other groups to conduct the same kind of activity, since this is the precise kind of activity that appears to generate results? Honestly, is there anyone on this list who cannot see the anarchy that would result if, in a world of two billion plus people, all it took to effect global political/societal/economic change was the willingness and ability of a small group of perhaps 10-15,000 people to put forth their agenda in particularly violent ways? Fortunately, there is an answer to this potential nightmare. Going back to the beginnings of civilization, we can see that man soon learned that, if as a species we were to prosper and grow, we needed to organize ourselves together under the rule of law. It is this rule of law that has provided the underpinnings of society down through history to today. It is the foundation on which the civilized world rests and the fact that we have such advanced civilizations testifies to the viability of the rule of law. I am sure I don't have to provide further support for why a world ruled by laws is preferable to a world ruled by anarchy. I am not saying that America has never mistyped in it's relations with other countries or never done anything that it shouldn't have. I acknowledge, and I think most Americans would acknowledge, that mistakes have been made and sometimes these mistakes have harmed others in other countries. OTOH, however, there are many good things America has done too, and surely I don't have to provide examples of all the different kinds of aid and support America has provided to foreign countries in times of need - and sometimes even when these same countries were former enemies. On the whole, I think we're accountable for saving more lives than we are responsible for taking. And I would even agree that, where the issues raised by organizations across the planet leave room for negotiation and represent the wishes of some significant portion of countries or peoples, or even a single country, we need to find better ways of hearing and acting on these concerns so that folks don't feel the need for such extreme action. We live in an increasingly global community. There's no adequate way to really address the needs of small groups of people in a global way if those wishes do not represent the desires of a very large number of people. That's a fact, but this is both logical and prudent too, right? Nations who live in this world we live in - where the plans to create an atom bomb are freely available in nearly any library, for example - have an obligation to the rest of the world community to, *as much as they reasonably can*, be a responsible member of that community. The costs of not doing so, in today's world, are simply too great. I realize there are a lot of different ways that the line can be drawn while attempting to preserve liberty. But suffice to say that providing a home and various kinds of support for known terrorists crosses the line in being a responsible member of that community. In the final analysis, being *responsible as a nation* (since they have the ability to control policies within their borders) is the only rational activity that offers any hope of enabling us to live in a safe world. No one claims that it is possible to end all violence, but large scale violence can in many cases be curbed. Osama's agenda of extermination, and the inflammatory way he grabbed our attention, doesn't leave much room for negotiation. Frankly, I am shocked, and saddened, that ANY of you COULD condone his behavior to ANY degree. He, and his kind, represent a threat to the entire civilized world and the governmental institutions which allow our global community to exist and function under the rule of law. He is a threat to your life and mine. To allow him to perpetuate these kinds of activities only ensures that more innocents will die. Of this we can be certain. I also must acknowledge that some innocents elsewhere in the world will likely die as a result of the forthcoming hostilities, but you all should remember that these hostilities are only now being contemplated in *reaction to* Osama's actions. In this way, these deaths, try as we might to prevent them, really result from Osama's actions, not American actions. Furthermore, I would suggest that, to the extent that these deaths result from attitudes, unfortunately held by some of you, that encourage, or at least tolerate this kind of terrorist behavior under the guise of giving an airing to such extremist views, you will have blood on your hands too. I deeply regret that more innocent people will die, as I know most do. But clearly Osama himself, and the people who work with him and support him, have not shown themselves fit to sit at the table of the global community. There is simply no rationale under which that privilege can be granted. His ideas and actions are so abhorrent that no world leader will openly articulate or support them. So something must be done. Make no mistake, good folks, Osama is no Gandhi. His actions speak for themselves, and his day of atonement is coming. And when it does, it will be a day of celebration not only in America, but in all nations and among all peoples who value life, liberty and the rule of law. Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 00:00:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14251; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 23:37:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 23:37:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010914202515.00d277b0@crash.cts.com> X-Sender: harvey@crash.cts.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 20:25:15 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Harvey Starr Subject: OT: Loop Prayers Suggestions In-Reply-To: <001201c13d89$b368faa0$903a4a42@we.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not a looper yet myself but I would personally like to hear a lot of Arabic music in the future as there seems to be so much misunderstanding between our cultures and music being the universal language and such I would like to co-opt the music, Americanize it and re-deliver it back to the Middle East in such an attractive sonic package that it's beauty becomes universal and not one culture's sole property. Harmonic minor stuff with lots of trills and pitchbending to get 19 tones per octave. Blues with Major7's everywhere to drag the disenfranchised souls kicking and screaming into the world groove. $.02 finis, hs http://www.starrlabs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 00:46:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA17260; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 00:24:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 00:24:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 21:11:22 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: OT: Food for Thought 5 (Short) In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Talks with Osama bin Laden http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=archive&s=fisk_wtc_19980921 Terror and the Sense of Justice http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=archive&s=neier_wtc_19780325 MSANEWS bin Laden page http://msanews.mynet.net/Scholars/Laden/ Taliban On Line (part of the Jihad Webring) http://www.ummah.net/taliban/ -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 01:50:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA20491; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 01:27:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 01:27:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3BA278F7.2D07@earthlink.net> References: <3BA1AAA8.744@earthlink.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20010914022140.025a9140@loopers-delight.com> <3BA278F7.2D07@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 17:49:09 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett L Maraldo Subject: Re: Repeater Latency Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <7b1ywB.A.v2E.EOuo7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm still working the Repeater into my set up and experimenting with it. I can tell you the delay of the dry signal through the Repeater is going to be a pain when it comes to live use because it will cause an obvious delay. the jamman, for example would, if you got the loop tight, not cause a delay or a flange sound. the repeater is definitely delaying the dry signal. plexus >Kim Flint wrote: >, > To me it sounds like a short >> slap back delay. when I play direct through it, I can definitely >>feel this delay. > >Thank you for clarifying this Kim. It is a concern of mine and I'm >wondering if anyone is noticing this in live situations.(or is everyone >using a mixer?) I've been hoping to simplify my setup and plug into the >1/4 inch on the RPTR. (RPT-EDP-FX-back too-RPTR) > >Thanks >Kungha From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 04:15:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA27588; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 03:52:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 03:52:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.206.89.12] From: "Jon" To: References: Subject: Re: OT: Food for Thought 5 (Short) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 00:40:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Sep 2001 07:40:20.0140 (UTC) FILETIME=[ABAA66C0:01C13DB9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks a lot Richard. I'm going to send these to all the other mailing lists where all this noise has erupted. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" To: Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 9:11 PM Subject: RE: OT: Food for Thought 5 (Short) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 04:31:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA29290; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 04:07:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 04:07:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 01:19:14 -0700 From: glenn Subject: Re: OT: Food for Thoughts 5 (Longish) In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com this part looked good: on 9/14/01 8:20 PM, Kevin Mulvihill at kmulvihill@mediaone.net wrote: > we > need to find better ways of hearing and acting on these concerns so that > folks don't feel the need for such extreme action. so thought to add this: Not missing the forest. No one here has or is condoning what went down. It is not unamerican to say "i love my country, but", in fact the contrary may be the case. There may be no long term solution but to consider our role in the world and the impact it has on others, of whom there is a long line of replacements and much much more hianous(sp?) acts possible(don't forget chemical and don't believe they weren't used in the Gulf War, I was there in the US Army when they were used). Look into the radioactive rounds we used and what it's done to the children of that country. Blame it on saddam? If you know anything about the middle east then you have to know the history of our puppet gov't of iran in the shah, Mosadeq' overthrow and the CIA's retaking withing weeks, the shah trying to actually act for the welfare of his people and long term self sufficiency for when the oil ran out, when he suggested opec raise prices and cut prduction and began talks with the soviets on an alternate source of defense equipemnt-in addition to the clamor the CIA ran iranian secret police had raised on human rights violations, the the US actually brokered in Khomeini and then being mad that he then said "guess what i said i'd work with you but i lied", that the us in embarrasment and anger froze iranian assets including dozens of paid in advance f-15s(or was it 14's?) which arent cheap, tanks, and other equip-all their stuff came from the u s, they were a puppet imperialist holding of the us. Some people took some people hostage and then Ronald Reagan while placating the public with talk, arranged with ollie north to provide iran with resupply of badly needed parts through israel, paid for by a slush fund from nicarauguan drug sales. The reason the parts were so needed is that Saddam Hussein, who had tried to attack Iran plenty of times before but was underequipped and slapped down each time, was massively built up by the US to punish Iran for mistakes in US foreign policy. Some of the guys directly involved in the blunder and everything that came after: Warren Christopher, Zbigniew Bryaenski, Cyrus Vance. So we gave 15 BILLION dollars to Iraq to kill Iranians and between 1980 and 1988 that's exactly what he did, using conventional, chemical and biological weapons he attacked and killed 600,000 iranians(for reference that's 60 times the number of people they project were killed last week. 600,000 dead and 1.5 million wounded, despite what people sometimes think these were actual real human beings with pictures of their families in their wallets(I was working in a record store for 2.35 per hour here and my taxes went to saddam and he kille my uncle there, a civil engineer). Some of the cannisters used to disperse the chemicals had us markings right on the drums. Did anyone in the us care about that? 1.5 million, oh they were just insert racist expletives here (did they even know, anymore than the average "well educated" person here knows what's going on now?) So in Iraq there is a massive monument shaped and colored like a giant blood drop and the entire roof of the inside is lined with the heads of iranians they killed. NONE of that is the fault of the Iraqi people who are as powerless and decent and lied to as we are here. IT is the us that made him more than just a petty tyrant. That war broke Iran which was, thanks to the vision of the growing a conscience shah, on the road to total self dependence not reliant on oil. we fixed that, broke them by building up an aggresive amoral saddam and then in came the IMF with "Hey, uh, i hear you're in a little money trouble, friend. Hopefully you know something about how that tune goes as it's been sung so often in so many different languages, but it's all just business, right? bad US foreign policy. bad world leadership. bad karma Then we shot down an iranian passenger plane killing all two hundred people on board. Firs they said it was sending the wrong transponder signal, then they said it was in international waters. The us was tried and convicted in international court and made to pay something like 50 thousand for each breadwinning life, and like 9 thousand for each non-bread winning life. Gee and here i thought a human body was only worth 5 dollars for the raw materials? You could get more for selling your body organs, which is just what some of the mothers in iraq have had to do to get normal inexpensive (here) medicines and treament and even food for their starving children because of the us. But I'm getting ahead of myself. So both of the claims were proven false: the transponder was showing civilian airliner and they were on their normal flight path well inside of iranian air space. The us was tried and convicted of terrorism in international court. Only here, the way it went down was when they got back to the US they were given a ticker tape parade and lauded as heroes. The commander and crew of the Vicennes were called "heroes" and were soon given medals and promotions and that was that. Since then the CIA has been running a little operation out of Iraq billed as a dissendent group: run and staffed by the CIA under the name of Mujadeen Khalq. They make incursions into Iran, into markets and blow up bombs. Regularly. The wealthy white folks who screwed up royally with what they did with their puppet gone real king are still pissed and racist to this day and still trying to take it out on the iranian people, who have it hard enough. (Yes their government sucks in lots of ways, but for right now I'm going to consider that a side issue.) They built up saddam on the left side(physically of Iran and allowed and helped Pakistan build up the Taliban on the right, with the same philosphy, including one Osama bin laden. Iran has helped Ahmed massoud shah, the most respected leader in fighting badck the russian army there, who now only holds about 5 percent of afganistan in the north. The taliban are well armed with about everything pakistand has(hopefully except their nukes) and everything the US did to build them up, which was alot. The innocent people of that country have sufferec beyond our ability to comprehend, are in a 4 year drought, and under the oppresion of the regime WE built up there. Incidentally, this last Sunday Ahmed Massoud went to talk to the press and two Taliban suicide bombers with a TV camera full of explosives blew themselves up, assasinating Ahmed Massoud. The explosions around Kabul were the former Ahmed massoud's forces from the 5 percent of the north they still hold, striking back at the Pakistani armed Taliban for assasisinating their leader. This is the same Taliban that assasinated Iranian diplomats and Un workers there not long ago. Bad foreign policy, see the theme? Israel recieves 13.5 billion in US taxpayer dollars each year. They have tanks, fighter jets, artillery, and every kind of modern weaponry you could imagine. When they captured that land from the palestinians they killed well over 20,000 people and took their beachfront land. The israeli people should have a state in their ancestral home. So should the palestinians, only they are treated like dogs(I mean by the government/army and some non-representative bad people, there are LOTS of totally decent, good,, caring and moral jewish people in Israel and here and for that matter, in Iran) in an apartheid state which is at war with it's second class citizens. One side has NBC weapons, tanks fighterjets, helicopter gunships, etc. the other side has to make to with stick and rocks, a few guns, grenades and molotov cocktails. plus some estes-like rockets. American bombs from american weopons killing their babies. Of course they are going to be pissed at us. Though like the Israelis, the one's doing the bad stuff don't define the race/culture/religion. There are decent, good, caring an moral people, but you won't see them on your news channel this week, you just see the ones that tried to fight back, you just see the kids with the flags and candy. How many palestinians killed today?...to "root out terror" in "response" to the "guerillas". Anyone seen this approach which bush is suggesting we take on, actually reduce terrorism in that part of the world? Okay, now how about increase? Lets not forget US disarming the Muslims in Bosnia and Yugoslavia, then standing by as the serbs lined them up and robbed, raped, killed them and buried them in mass graves. Countless shit in South America, Africa, elsewhere. We knew about the genocide in Rowanda and did NOTHING, the quote starbucks armchair political experts like to parrot the newsreader that paint the canvas of their political awareness was "We don't have a 'Vital economic interest' there". "F" that, man those were human being and we didn't help because the wealthy white men and their pathetic colin powerl in washington who call the shots decide that we really DON"T have "vital corporate interests" and the people won't like or vote for them if some of their kids die to save some blacks from genocide. If it were england or they had Oil or Gum trees we'd be there, but it's africa and they were black and we didn't. In ethiopia/eritria what did we do to stop the killing of the 15 million people who died in that protracted civil war. You better believe we sold us some weapons, boy. in the duty free zones our corporate lobbies have created, workers are treated like replacable commodities: unsafe conditions, inhuman hours, no benefits, if they get sick or pregnant, they are simply replaced. If they should try to organize, they are dissapeared. but it gets us cheap goods with high margins, baby. How would you feel if you'd been born there? What about the price of a head of lettuce here? Illegal workers are "allowed" to work for subhuman wages while living in subhuman unsanitary conditions, with no healthcare or benefits of any kind under threat of deportation in the event of a problem. All so we can have a cheaper head of lettuce and look down at them as they walk past in some jacked up car while we're having some nice sanitary meal in a restaurant. People here living in the streets, the plight of the mentally ill, the homeless, the elderly, the disabled. It's a national disgrace. How about 40 billion for them? Capitalism can be translated to "everyman(and woman) for his(and her) self", which is great if you're on top, not so great if you're not. Opportunity. Only the gap is widening. The cost of basic things is rising up to build a wall between the haves and have nots. I for one would not be surprise to see a headline in the the next few years like "Patronage: rethinking indentured servancy". have you ever been hungry? It is violence whose scars don't go away when you can finally get a meal. Imagine working your 40-60 hours and then all of a sudden you are told you will be paid half as much. That's the kind of power the IMF has over societies whom they have floated a "load" in times of need(which they may or may not have had a hand in creating). Even with our faults, we take so much for granted here that others don't ever get to know. I can tell you after living in the sand for 9 months in the Gulf war, living on a cot in a tent without a floor and eating shitty bag meals that i am stil grateful for every meal i am able to get, every soft place i have to sleep, every comfort and moment of peace to reflect. But I'm still a spoiled bastard compared to what much of the world knows as life. Is it really such a secret that so much of our comfort has come/comes at someone else's cost? Like in Thomas dolby's classic tune "Budapest By Blimp": Over pillars and palaces I'll hold your hand Until the fog has lifted May be better you hold me close than understand How are away I've drifted In the face of a tragedy too bleak to know The death of some grand illusion All the treasure we pilloried, splendour we stole They never taught you that in school... Here's a map and a diagram, a shrivelled page Ripped from the book of history see the priceless antiquity frozen in time Built on the ashes of the Jews And for your curiosity, beauty sublime Signed in the blood of Zulus Is it really so hard to handle the truth, in a country built by genocide and "rooting out and handling the 'terror' of it's previous inhabitants, the american indians. An empire in decay, built on the backs of african american and black slaves, of the poor by the rich, until the companies had to turn outside our borders to get cheap labor without workers rights to maximize profits and give us cheap goods. Those who are still disenfranchised we tell to work within the system. Some have died working within the system. Some have advocated freedom by any means necessary. Killing others is NEVER right, but does that mean we have to close our eyes to the legacy we've been creating in the world? What kind of solution is that? And for those who still want blood in revenge for last week, since people who do things like this have already decided that it's worth it to them to cash in their own life for some principle they believe in that's bigger than themself, erring as they do in dehumanizing their victims, what good will executing them do? Timothy mcVeigh knew he was trading his life for a cause he believed in before during and after doing it, even though it was wrong to kill innocent and even not innocent people, playing god and killing him(also without a fair trial cause we already KNEW he was guilty). This is not cowardice, it it mass murder from good intentions gone astray, which is still mass murder, but from where the mind of the people doing this are coming from, it is an act of total courage and commitment, not cowardice. In case you need this emphasize to be clear I am not condoning anything anyone's done to hurt anyone ever. Simple as that. But instead of the blood lust, first for someone middle eastern, then for timothy mcviegh, why wasn't anyone asking why he felt so strongly about that? Was the killing of innocent civilians who might worship somewhat differently from the way most people do at Waco really just a source of water cooler jokes? The charges the whole raid were made on, the whole premise, were proven unsubstantiated? Have you seen the whole footage of the attack/murder of those people, including the footage of the ATF agents shooting/their own people? of the residents being shot in cold blood, of them asking for media, of the thermal images of where the kids were and the fire being inserted into the building and tanks running back and forth over the bunker where the kids were known to be hiding until it collapsed on them. Since when is knowingly killing innocent children okay? But two wrongs don't make a right, and that's why Timothy McViegh acted no more Christian than those hijackers were Muslim, than we all are decent human beings-if we, like them, emulate our oppresors, go for two wrongs because Bush sees an opportunity to take the focus off what's happenned to the country/world since he took office, because congressmen and senators want to get kickbacks from PAC lobbyist for contracts that will result from a fat defense budget that will come out of my and your social security, because the media newsreaders(who struggle not to laugh) each want to be the next household newsreader name and jerk their heads up and down with suggestive nodding while they lull you to sleep with half truths and the irrelevant. Two people in a firebird tried to run me over/hit at high speed me while i was in the middle of a crosswalk during my morning run the other day,they veered toward the direction i moved in then and were glaring right at me and hollaring out some things too stupid to write as they sped off laughing. No problem, I've been beaten and discriminated against by bigots who got that way because they let themselved slip into projecting hate on easy targets when trying to deal with emotions they didn't have a lot of experience with, which i can empathize with. Even if my fellow citizens of California do us like they did the Japanese it'll be fine: I'm already really poor so the living arrangements wont be much different, althogh it would be harder to lose the piano than my rights as a citizen:), it'd be all expenses paid and then afteward who knows, maybe a cash settlement. Sky's the limit babe. Norm Mineta, our current secretary of transportation, was interned by his fellow californians as a young Japanese american after pearl harbor, and look where he made it to. On second thought, hate away!!!:):):) just kidding. the thing is people are slipping into hate. Middle easter and muslim centers are being attacke with firebombs in some parts of the country. A man stabbed a middle eastern gas station attendant with a two foot machete. An elderly man chased a muslim woman with his car and followed her into a shop and stabbed her. A mob of people carrying american flags and chanting "USA,USA,USA" bum rushed a mosque and beat people up and chased them out. Cab drivers are being pulled out of their cars and beaten. Little girls are being cruelly harassed about their scarf by other children, who learned it from their parents. It's just not neccesary. You like to think that we've become more civilized, more spiritually evoloved, enlightened. But the opposite is true. There are a hundred ways to try to defend and rationalize it but hate is still hate. the enemy is within. two wrongs don't make a right. Peace, love and understanding for ourselves and others may sound cliche, but it's important. We can also look at how we've behaved and try to be better. That can't hurt. I thank God that these guys really were trying, while homicidally, to only make a largely symbolic act, if a murderous and unforgivable one only made possible because they were stupidly amoral enough to dehumanize the people who would get killed by their mission so they didn't have to think of what they were doing as wrong. Because it could have been worse: if they wanted to kill americans, per se, they could have taken a plane or planes into a nuclear reactor or two, and that would have killed and injured several states worth of people and no way to clean it up. Or they could have used chemical weapons. Making people eat with forks and spoons in airports is nice but mostly to make people think that it's all safe now, but a person could carry a gas which they had taken the antidote for in a hair spray can, a perfume bottle, a snickers bar and knock everybody out, including an "air marshall". i don't like to think about it either. Once every couple of years i save up enough money to fly to disneyland, which i consider close to heaven and this stuff scares the shit out of me, but if we're going to focus on it, let's be real. They could cross a border or paddle in on a wooden boat that wouldn't show up on radar with a tennis ball can with enough chemical agent to hurt alot of people. It doesn't take much imagination to imagine worse, our water, our air, etc. I'd say as horrible as it sounds, that we were lucky. And that rather than going with President Kill's hate parade, in the long run, a world that really runs on trust and trust in human nature would be a safer place for all of us if we tried to be more trustworthy in the world, tried to get our corporations to be more ethical, stopped supporting despots and messing with other countries politics and economies and playing god, but that's just an opinion from a concerned citizen. Not that the greed inherant in capitalism would ever let that happen as long as that's the kind of country we are, but just so say that there's a chance that understanding and trying to be good and lead by example could work in the long run. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 04:39:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA29863; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 04:15:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 04:15:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 01:30:31 -0700 From: glenn Subject: Re: OT: Food for Thoughts 5 (Longish) In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I meant african american and chinese slaves on 9/15/01 1:19 AM, glenn at glenn234@pacbell.net wrote: > An empire in decay, built on the backs of african american and black slaves, > of the poor by the rich, until the companies had to turn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 04:39:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA29947; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 04:16:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 04:16:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010915005119.0272ed20@mulder.intermag.com> X-Sender: mpulver@mulder.intermag.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 00:55:38 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Repeater - defect flash card? In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010914022140.025a9140@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Per Boysen (03:04 AM 09.14.2001) wrote: >Over here Repeater refuses to format the flash card that came with it. How >many of you have experienced this problem? Hi Per; I finally got a chance to try this... It worked fine for me. This is what I did: 1. Copied the loops that were on the card to a directory on my PC. 2. Put the card into Repeater while holding down the STOP button. (this will forces the question of "Format CFC?" to show up). 3. Hit RECORD to say "yes". 4. Repeater said "Formating..." 5. When done, checking the remaining space on the card (hold down COPY, release, then press COPY again) shows "3.00" which is 3 minutes of record time. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 04:52:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA30684; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 04:28:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 04:28:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BA30EB4.F9A0176C@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 01:17:57 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Newbie Alert! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't think there's been a better time for looping, so welcome. There's no "ABCs of looping" but you'd probably do yourself a favor by going through the Loopers Delight "Tools" page. This might help you make a choice. Try and go to a local shop where you might be able to spend some time with a few loopers. I always think that reading about looping (or any musical activity) is like reading about swimming, you can read forever, but it's not like jumping in the water for a bit. If you keep referencing the book after each "dip" it will all probably start making sense, and you'll want the best most expensive looper out there. Good luck and have fun. Mark Sottilaro Karl Sangree wrote: > Last weekend, I was a participant in one of the most moving musical > experiences in my life. I was at a didgeridoo gathering in Maryland and > heard a performance by Tom Heasley, from Palo Alto, CA. > http://www.bayimproviser.com/artistdetail.asp?artist_id=83 > > He played his tuba through a series of equipment like the Lexicon MPX1, T.C. > Electronics D-TWO digital-delay and a Line 6 DL4. I want to try something > like this with my digeridoos, and found the Looper’s Delight web site in my > search for info. I want to do slow, meditative, type of looping. > > I have two newbie questions that have, most likely, been discussed ad > infinitum/ad nauseam, on this forum, but I am so new I don’t know what to > search for, so hear goes; > > 1. Is there a quintessential piece of entry-level looping equipment? > 2. Is there a book titled “So, You Want to Get Into Looping?” or something > like that. > > I would appreciate any help you guys could give me. > > Thanks, > Karl > > "We are the music makers, and > we are the dreamers of dreams" > Willy Wonka From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 05:03:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA31485; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 04:40:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 04:40:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <4f.11434092.28d46aea@aol.com> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 04:27:22 EDT Subject: Re: JamMan AAAArg To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oliver Try the power supply from your Vortex with the JamMan. (if you havent already) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 05:16:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA32039; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 04:52:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 04:52:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010915084157.68967.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 01:41:57 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: OT: Don't mind me, I'd just like to stand here. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <3bQp2B.A.2sH.WRxo7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Maybe Kim will take a shot at me & hit Glenn. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 05:46:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA01752; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 05:22:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 05:22:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009501c13dc5$51b124e0$04f9fea9@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: Subject: Re: OT: Food for Thoughts 5 (Longish) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 05:03:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Peace bro, and pray. Mike From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 06:19:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA04011; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 05:57:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 05:57:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Repeater - defect flash card? Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 11:43:32 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010915005119.0272ed20@mulder.intermag.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Per Boysen (03:04 AM 09.14.2001) wrote: > > >Over here Repeater refuses to format the flash card that came > with it. How > >many of you have experienced this problem? > > Hi Per; > > I finally got a chance to try this... It worked fine for me. This > is what I > did: > > 1. Copied the loops that were on the card to a directory on my PC. > > 2. Put the card into Repeater while holding down the STOP button. (this > will forces the question of "Format CFC?" to show up). > > 3. Hit RECORD to say "yes". > > 4. Repeater said "Formating..." > > 5. When done, checking the remaining space on the card (hold down COPY, > release, then press COPY again) shows "3.00" which is 3 minutes > of record time. > > > Mark > Hi Mark, Good to hear your flash card is ok. Appearently I got a defect card. Now I'm wondering how common that is - and how trustable these flash cards are? Regards Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 11:41:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19785; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 11:17:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 11:17:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01af01c13df8$073e6d40$152df7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: Re: Line6 Echo Pro Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 16:05:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Obviously Matthias, I will bow to your superior wisdom on the topic, but I would have thought to just adding the ability to respond and sync a single mono loop to MIDI start and stop messages really wouldn't be that difficult at all? After all, it's one of the most basic functions of the JamMan, and if the ability to sync is there on the other delays, they must be most of the way there already, no? Please feel most free to correct my thinking if I'm wrong - I'm not a MIDI buff, I was working from what seemed like common sense, not some arcane knowledge abou the alchemy of MIDI... :o) Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthias Grob To: Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 8:56 PM Subject: Re: Line6 Echo Pro > >No syncing????? huh? what's the deal with that? That's sooo easy to > >do if the MIDI is already there!!! > > well, I spent a terrific time with it and Electrix probably too, > before they released it with mentioned limitations... so what makes > you think its sooo easy? > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 11:44:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19957; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 11:23:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 11:23:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c13e0a$bbc48c60$1f729818@default> From: "Daniel" To: Cc: Subject: Fw: OT: Food for Thoughts 5 (Long) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 11:20:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Looks like I wouldn't go to Lousiana to study political science, Kevin. Your view are made by whom would rather go and take the official view than look elsewhere. BTW have you read what it says about holy war in the Quran. Of course not. If people suffer in a 3rd world country of course they'll fight back by any means neccesary. especially when it's a case of a conflict whose roots go back to alexander the great and beyond. If you know anything about Us foreign policy, more has been done to consider Us agencies like the CIA and Military Intelligence terrorist groups than what your GI JOE world view allows it to be From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 12:15:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21120; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 11:52:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 11:52:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01c13dfc$775078e0$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: Subject: the electric tuba visits the city of liberty (was Re: Newbie Alert!) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 11:38:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <4awtmB.A.kAF.aZ3o7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Karl Sangree > Last weekend, I was a participant in one of the most moving musical > experiences in my life. I was at a didgeridoo gathering in Maryland and > heard a performance by Tom Heasley, from Palo Alto, CA. > http://www.bayimproviser.com/artistdetail.asp?artist_id=83 He playing Philly tonight with Spectral Voices. http://www.thegatherings.org * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 13:00:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24009; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 12:38:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 12:38:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010915091226.0293d318@mulder.intermag.com> X-Sender: mpulver@mulder.intermag.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 09:16:47 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: SV: Repeater - defect flash card? In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010915005119.0272ed20@mulder.intermag.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Per Boysen (02:43 AM 09.15.2001) wrote: >Good to hear your flash card is ok. Appearently I got a defect card. Now I'm >wondering how common that is - and how trustable these flash cards are? Hey Per! Well, at work we spend a lot of time with flash cards and handle them pretty roughly ("Hey Bob! Catch! Slam that into your board and grab the first two files..."). I don't think that we've had a failure yet. But, we have had cards that were bad from the minute we opened the package... I'm curious... can you play the demo loops off of the card? Do you have a reader for your computer and if so, can you read/write files to the card? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 13:13:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24848; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 12:52:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 12:52:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014d01c13e04$8e026f00$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <000901c13e0a$bbc48c60$1f729818@default> Subject: Better Things To Do Than Bicker Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 17:36:20 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Whether one takes the stance that Americans are bullies, "GI Joes" or just human beings like everyone else, here are some numbers to call to actually do something. To Give Blood: American Red Cross 1-800-GIVE LIFE New York Blood Center 1-800-933-BLOOD To Make Financial Contributions: American Red Cross 1-800-HELP-NOW United Way 1-212-251-4035 Salvation Army 1-800-SAL-ARMY To Volunteer Services (New York): FEMA World Trade Center Relief 1-800-801-8092 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 13:17:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25014; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 12:56:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 12:56:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Sender: rob@hemlock.violacea.com Message-ID: <3BA3860C.5C1DED95@wxs.nl> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 18:47:08 +0200 From: Robert van der Kamp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater Latency References: <3BA1AAA8.744@earthlink.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20010914022140.025a9140@loopers-delight.com> <3BA278F7.2D07@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Brett L Maraldo wrote: > I'm still working the Repeater into my set up and experimenting with > it. I can tell you the delay of the dry signal through the Repeater > is going to be a pain when it comes to live use because it will cause > an obvious delay. the jamman, for example would, if you got the loop > tight, not cause a delay or a flange sound. the repeater is > definitely delaying the dry signal. Maybe when the dry/wet feature is added, you guys must set the Repeater to all wet and bypass the dry signal using a splitter box. Would that fix the problem? - Robert From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 14:01:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27688; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 13:38:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 13:38:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: OT--"What's Going On" Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 10:26:29 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <001d01c13dfc$775078e0$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi music people-- I have been taking it all in and trying make sense of it all. I keep thinking of Marvin Gaye and the song "What's Going On". I did a little search online and I think what I found at http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Nook/4555/bio1.html about his life and death has a good little lesson for those who think that peace can be produced by violence. Hope everybody is OK. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 14:35:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30119; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 14:14:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 14:14:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr.interport@pop.rcn.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3BA3860C.5C1DED95@wxs.nl> References: <3BA1AAA8.744@earthlink.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20010914022140.025a9140@loopers-delight.com> <3BA278F7.2D07@earthlink.net> <3BA3860C.5C1DED95@wxs.nl> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 14:00:09 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: OT: headset mics Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I thought I'd take a radical move back to OT posts about music. My headset mic has taken a lot of beating and is still working but I feel that I should move up a step. It's the cheapest AKG set of a few years ago. I wasn't totally fond of that mic -- it never felt very solid, and it was hard to put back into the box properly, which is VERY annoying -- but it does continue to keep working which is by far the most important thing. So, any recommendations? Headset mic, *durable*, good sound, not outrageously expensive? /t .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 14:48:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30574; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 14:26:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 14:26:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010915181433.2811.qmail@web12803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 11:14:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Alx Subject: Re: Line6 Echo Pro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <01af01c13df8$073e6d40$152df7c2@zetnet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I guess the delays still doesn´t have a "Hold" function, right?, ...and they call it "pro". Alex. __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 14:53:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30734; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 14:31:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 14:31:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010915121648.007e3100@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 12:16:48 -0600 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Taking my leave for a bit... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi everyone, -just wanted to say thank you for your creative and thoughtful ideas and stories. I'll be taking my leave now, for a bit. If anyone would like to continue corresponding with me, you're most certainly welcome. Thanks again, and please be well... Goddess --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 14:53:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30749; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 14:32:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 14:32:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BA39CA1.8605306F@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 11:23:29 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RFX Midiwizard with the Repeater References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Loopkins, If you've bought a Repeater, or are thinking of buying one, it's of my opinion that you should probably NOT buy the RFX Midiwizard, even though it's listed on the Electrix site as a recommended controller. It's fairly cheap and well made, but due to the types of MIDI info the Repeater wants, it basically becomes useless unless you attach a bunch of volume pedals to it. At that point, it's no longer a bargain. A lot of the main functions use 2 CCs, such as loop # which needs a cc for bank number, and a cc for a loop number. For me, if I can't do something in a single step, I may as well just use the controls on the front of the box. What's really needed is a controller with two built in CCs that allows you to create banks in which they can be assigned different CC#s. What would be even better, would be if you could change the Repeater's internal MIDI map, so that functions like bank# didn't have to be a CC, which I feel is kind of cumbersome. A MIDI controller that allows you to set a button to spit out a fixed CC value coupled with another value from a second CC# or program change, would also work really well. So here's my question: What would be the best MIDI pedal for the job? Is Electrix entertaining the idea of giving us a way if changing the MIDI map if the Repeater? It sure seems clumsy the way it currently is. Thanks, Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 15:19:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31899; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 14:58:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 14:58:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: headset mics Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 11:46:41 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I used a Crown headset for a while--it held up pretty well, and I think it was worth the expense, as it had a magnificent sound. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 16:49:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04701; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 16:27:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 16:27:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: SV: Repeater - defect flash card? Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 22:14:36 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010915091226.0293d318@mulder.intermag.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Per Boysen (02:43 AM 09.15.2001) wrote: > > >Good to hear your flash card is ok. Appearently I got a defect > card. Now I'm > >wondering how common that is - and how trustable these flash cards are? > > Hey Per! > > Well, at work we spend a lot of time with flash cards and handle them > pretty roughly ("Hey Bob! Catch! Slam that into your board and grab the > first two files..."). I don't think that we've had a failure yet. > > But, we have had cards that were bad from the minute we opened > the package... > > I'm curious... can you play the demo loops off of the card? Do you have a > reader for your computer and if so, can you read/write files to the card? > > Mark > No, I cannot play anything from the card. Repeater says "BAD FORMAT" and asks me to format the card. When I try to it says "FORMAT FAIL". It's a 16 mb card marked "Electrix". Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 16:50:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04714; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 16:28:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 16:28:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c13e23$4f423100$6401a8c0@nc.rr.com> Reply-To: "diatom drone" From: "diatom drone" To: References: Subject: Re: SV: Demo of Repeater in slomo? Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 16:16:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i decided to go ahead and do a demo mp3 of the time/pitch stretches for anyone interested: http://www.skincage.com/temp/slowtime.html Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 17:25:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07359; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 17:03:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 17:03:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 14:17:17 -0700 From: glenn Subject: response selectivity, cyclic noise and F.F.T5 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 5 new 10 Print "hello" 20 set R$=0 30 print "if you're getting 20-15K or above, .01 or better, enter "1" 32 print "if you're getting 20-14K or below, .02 or worse, enter "0" 40 enter B$ 50 If B$=0 then goto 100 60 print"list member writes me personally today to say "keep your posts" on topic. Right now, or at least for the last week or so the harmonics from the tune played in east cost cities have been reverberating loudly, the early reflections we as loud as the original signal, but somewhere between the sample rate and the digital filtering, there was a lot of crosstalk and distortion going on. I'm concerned the the noise level of a new looping device while colorful and an understandable part of the process of interactive performance/recording/creation might come to be accepted as an industry standard for future sound quality. Also since people have been talking about lifting their grounds before using their loopers, I'm concerned about IC stability and also the possibility of shock. There've been a lot of pro-limited bandwidth looping and talk of simply breaking the ground prong off the power supply and I post one thing about maintaining sound quality and being careful not to introduce instability in the IC by providing a real ground to also reduce shock (which has happened to me before) and am told politely to"dummy up" by another list member. In fact the majority of the few "Dummy up" remarks made on list have been after someone, including in this instance, shared an alternative viewpoint on electrical safety and concerns for the long term sound quality of looping, while those on the side of abandon have passed without a hitch. This gives the appearance of a strongly invested, despite any claims(implied or spoken) or neutrality, of a psycholgical investment very strongly in favor of nyquist and other filter related noise and a lack or regard for the proper grounding of looping machinery or the turn of thoe who would speak out for clarity. "help help I'm being opressed..." (secretly wishing it were Zoot and all her sisters who's peril i was in danger of:)), but ultimately adding that it's our world, while we like to think the quality of equipmnt will just keep going up over time, if we only embrace noisy gear, ultimately, the world will be filled with more of that." 80 goto 30 100 print "thank you" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 17:36:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07856; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 17:15:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 17:15:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010915134957.01d76008@mulder.intermag.com> X-Sender: mpulver@mulder.intermag.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 13:55:34 -0700 To: From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: SV: SV: Repeater - defect flash card? In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010915091226.0293d318@mulder.intermag.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Per Boysen (01:14 PM 09.15.2001) wrote: >> I'm curious... can you play the demo loops off of the card? Do you have a >> reader for your computer and if so, can you read/write files to the card? > >No, I cannot play anything from the card. Repeater says "BAD FORMAT" and >asks me to format the card. When I try to it says "FORMAT FAIL". It's a 16 >mb card marked "Electrix". Yikes! Okay... is there a possibility that you have one of the cards that has the label on the wrong side and you effectively happened to get the card in upside down? If you feel on the back edge of the card, there's a small lip that extends about 1/32" above the large flat surface. That lip should be down when you insert the card. Another check is to check on the sides of the card... You'll see that there is a wide slot on one side, and a narrow slot on the other. The wide slot should go to the right when the card is inserted. I just tried putting my card in upside down, and it's pretty difficult to do, so this may not be the issue. If the card is orientated correctly, then I think your next stop is to contact Electrix for a replacement. I would suggest talking to Damon: Damon Langlois Or the generic support address: support@electrixpro.com Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 18:38:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11230; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 18:17:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 18:17:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 15:30:36 -0700 From: glenn Subject: Re: response selectivity, cyclic noise and F.F.T5 In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Should have read: 50 is B$=1 then goto 100 o n 9/15/01 2:17 PM, glenn at glenn234@pacbell.net wrote: > 50 If B$=0 then goto 100 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 18:44:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11439; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 18:24:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 18:24:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Dave Hastings" To: Subject: RE: RFX Midiwizard with the Repeater Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 15:13:54 -0700 Message-ID: <000b01c13e33$b53e55a0$642279a5@hmv5n> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <3BA39CA1.8605306F@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Subject: RFX Midiwizard with the Repeater > > A lot of the main functions use 2 CCs, such as loop # which needs a cc for bank > number, and a cc for a loop number. Really? It appeared to me from the manual that Loop select was the only one that required two messages. The manual sort of implied that the functions that have both a CC and PC would respond to either one. (I'm asking for clarification not making an assertion.) > So here's my question: What would be the best MIDI pedal for the job? Is > Electrix entertaining the idea of giving us a way if changing the > MIDI map if the Repeater? It sure seems clumsy the way it currently is. You might take a look at the Yamaha MFC10 (http://www.yamaha.com/cgi-win/webcgi.exe/DsplyModel/?gMCD00005MFC10 (there's a users manual there too)). It's got twelve switches that can send CC and program change messages. When it sends program change, it can send the bank select messages with it (CC 0, CC 32). The obvious catch is that there doesn't appear to be a way to disable the program change and just send the bank select messages. I wonder what the Repeater does if it gets a program change message for one of the unassigned program numbers? Maybe Electrix can reserve one program change as a 'do nothing' to facilitate this? Oh, in addition to the twelve switches, it's got a programmable foot pedal and jacks for 4 more pedals or switches, all of which are also programmable. N.B. I own neither a Repeater, nor an MFC10, so I'm working from the manuals here. My apologies if this isn't helpful. -daveh -------------- Dave Hastings dhastings@earthlink.net "When in doubt, don't major in physics" Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle according to Joel Achenbach From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 19:53:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14980; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 19:32:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 19:32:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010915160915.026c8048@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 16:15:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Repeater Latency In-Reply-To: <3BA3860C.5C1DED95@wxs.nl> References: <3BA1AAA8.744@earthlink.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20010914022140.025a9140@loopers-delight.com> <3BA278F7.2D07@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:47 AM 9/15/2001, Robert van der Kamp wrote: >Brett L Maraldo wrote: > > I'm still working the Repeater into my set up and experimenting with > > it. I can tell you the delay of the dry signal through the Repeater > > is going to be a pain when it comes to live use because it will cause > > an obvious delay. the jamman, for example would, if you got the loop > > tight, not cause a delay or a flange sound. the repeater is > > definitely delaying the dry signal. > >Maybe when the dry/wet feature is added, you guys must set the >Repeater to all wet and bypass the dry signal using a splitter box. >Would that fix the problem? I think you would pretty much have to use a mixer then, which kind of takes this out of the more straightforward setup that I usually prefer. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 20:18:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15964; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 19:57:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 19:57:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BA3E960.85F67CEC@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 17:12:49 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: OT LA sunday night candlelight vigil References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com all, i'm passing this along to those of you in the los angeles area. this is not meant to express an opinion to the group, rather it is to announce an event for those like-minded among you who might wish to participate in a peaceful gathering of solidarity with others who advocate world peace and understanding... Dear Friends, Please join together at the Westwood Federal Building on Sunday at 8:00 PM for a 45 minute candlelight meditation for a peaceful response to the recent terrorist attacks. Please forward this email to everyone you feel would be interested. It is safe, our presence is welcomed, we can give voice to our perspective through a silent sit. I spoke with the FBI Agents currently guarding the Federal Building and they actually were outspokenly in support of a candlelight vigil. I also called the FBI office in the Westwood Federal Building to let them know that LA Dharma was hosting a silent candlelight vigil Sunday night from 8:00 - 9:00 PM. They were glad to know and had no problems with the event. Here is the procedure to follow: 1. Parking is available off Sepulveda at the Sports Center and the baseball field across from it just North of Ohio. 2. Please wear white. Bring matches or a lighter to light your candle. Bring a cushion to sit on. Candles inserted in paper cups will be provided. 3. Proceed to the Corner of Wilshire and Veteran where monitors will give you your candles and further details. 4. As you may remember, the Federal building is surrounded by concrete pilars about 45 inches high. Each meditator will sit with their back resting on the pilar holding the candle during a 45 minute sit. There will be no speeches or bull horns or banners. 5. The following was sent to the press: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE September 15, 2001 Media Contact: Michael Shiffman Voice: 310-479-8774 Fax: 310-473-0899 Email: shiffman@gte.net An Open Letter Opposing Violent Retaliation The world remains shocked by the terrorist attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. This horrific loss of lives seems unbelievable as we watch rescue efforts at ground zero. There is no justification for these heartless acts, no life affirming causes are served. At this time, the United States stands at a pivotal point of historic proportion to lead the nations of the world to eliminate international terrorism. As Americans, we fully support the conscious awakening of the US government to the need for ardent, systematic, and forthright efforts to transform this immense tragedy into a sustained international program to eliminate terrorism as a viable political option. Neither surgical strikes nor sustained military campaigns can defeat terrorism. Terrorists seek not to control a political geography, but to inflict pain and suffering on a people; to demoralize them by destroying their sense of safety and create an atmosphere of fear, distrust and isolation. A violent response only escalates the cycle of violence. We only need to look to Belfast and Jerusalem for evidence of this truth. Eliminating popular support for the outcome of terrorist acts is the only viable way to defeat terrorism. Only when a people changes its view of the perpetrators of violence from martyrs who further their cause to misdirected zealots causing unimaginable harm to themselves and others, will the perpetrators of terrorist acts stop of their own accord. A transformation in consciousness regarding terrorism can only be accomplished through a political discourse that creates the possibility that all peoples and all nations have some efficacy over their destiny. All of us must have some hope of a life worth living, of the possibility that the world around us will improve. We all recognize the enormous inequities and suffering throughout the world. There are no simple solutions to the famine, disease and economic disparities among nations. These complex problems can only be resolved through a clear understanding of their origin and viable opportunities to implement complex strategies for their elimination. Vicious, inhumane terrorist attacks appear as the only viable option when cries for freedom and economic survival fall on deaf ears. At this critical juncture in history, we implore President Bush to be wise, moral and deliberately ethical in his choice of actions during these difficult times. We ask that he rise above the ugly demands for retaliation and revenge and give voice to the best thinking and most compassionate hearts of the American people. Please, President Bush, listen carefully, look closely, and act prudently to eliminate terrorism for all of humanity! This is your unprecedented opportunity to become truly Presidential and serve our nation and the world with dignity and honor. Info: For more information call 310-479-8774 or visit www.ladharma.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 20:30:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17433; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 20:10:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 20:10:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AALev123@aol.com Message-ID: <3b.1a3bf3dd.28d544d1@aol.com> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 19:57:05 EDT Subject: Re: SV: Repeater - defect flash card? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does the manual tell you how to play the demo loops? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 20:44:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18009; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 20:23:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 20:23:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010915161753.025fe8b0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 17:08:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: RFX Midiwizard with the Repeater In-Reply-To: <3BA39CA1.8605306F@zerocrossing.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:23 AM 9/15/2001, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >If you've bought a Repeater, or are thinking of buying one, it's of my >opinion that you should probably NOT buy the RFX Midiwizard, even though it's >listed on the Electrix site as a recommended controller. It's fairly cheap >and well made, but due to the types of MIDI info the Repeater wants, it >basically becomes useless unless you attach a bunch of volume pedals to it. >At that point, it's no longer a bargain. I keep telling you guys that you need to get a good midi controller pedal if you want to do something more complicated than switching presets on a multieffect. Yet you keep getting the crappy ones anyway. I guess I'm telling you again. For some reason, Electrix is recommending an assortment of lame midi pedals that are obviously not going to work well for controlling the Repeater. (and then they don't even have the digitech pmc-10 on the list, go figure.) They should really clean that list up rather than frustrating their customers by having them spend money on a junk pedal. >So here's my question: What would be the best MIDI pedal for the job? Is >Electrix entertaining the idea of giving us a way if changing the MIDI map if >the Repeater? It sure seems clumsy the way it currently is. I don't see why they should complicate the Repeater with programmable midi maps. That should be the job of your midi controller to handle that function. Some good pedals are digitech PMC-10, Rocktron All Access, Lake-Butler midigator, Roland FC-200, and Yamaha MFC-10. Some people have complained that the yamaha has too much latency, but it is relatively easy to get since it is still in production. It costs about $270, which seems like a lot, but you are gonna pay more to get something good. The Rocktron is probably the best one, but it costs a lot more. If you are patient, you will find one of the the other pedals used for less. I got my PMC-10 for $100, but that was quite a few years ago. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 20:44:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18010; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 20:23:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 20:23:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001a01c13e23$4f423100$6401a8c0@nc.rr.com> References: <001a01c13e23$4f423100$6401a8c0@nc.rr.com> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 20:11:00 -0400 To: From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: SV: Demo of Repeater in slomo? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >i decided to go ahead and do a demo mp3 of the time/pitch stretches for >anyone interested: > >http://www.skincage.com/temp/slowtime.html yeah, right, a demo. hah! very trippy and it does show the heck out of the machine, but you can't REALLY tell if the machine generates artefacts or not... it's a great piece though, really, and I totally tripped out with the iTunes visualizer and that. only just got that, it's pretty impressive. /t .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 21:32:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21440; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 21:12:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 21:12:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SWatts9225@aol.com Message-ID: <13d.17fa105.28d55315@aol.com> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 20:57:57 EDT Subject: how can I loop more than one thing with my setup. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_13d.17fa105.28d55315_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10539 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_13d.17fa105.28d55315_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was hoping someone could help me. I am primarily a guitarist and I use a boomerang to loop. I sen the looped signal to the board ( as opposed to through the guitar amp) to give the signal its own space. I have a moog theremin and a roland gr-33 guitar synth that I would like to be able to loop as well. The boomerang has one in and one out. Can anyone help????????? Thanx,- Steve Watts --part1_13d.17fa105.28d55315_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit      I was hoping someone could help me. I am primarily a guitarist and I use a boomerang to loop. I sen the looped signal to the board ( as opposed to through the guitar amp) to give the signal its own space. I have a moog theremin and a roland gr-33 guitar synth that I would like to be able to loop as well. The boomerang has one in and one out. Can anyone help?????????
                                                                       Thanx,- Steve Watts --part1_13d.17fa105.28d55315_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 21:41:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21663; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 21:19:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 21:19:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007301c13e4b$e93ad1e0$6401a8c0@nc.rr.com> Reply-To: "diatom drone" From: "diatom drone" To: References: <001a01c13e23$4f423100$6401a8c0@nc.rr.com> Subject: Re: SV: Demo of Repeater in slomo? Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 21:07:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well, i've only had mine a couple of days so i'm not ready to make a REAL demo :) people were asking about the artifact sound and i always get more satisfaction from an experience than an explanation, so i was just basically was trying to demonstrate that it does streeeeetch the sample but doesn't make it sound nasty (in my opinion). i was used to the time stretch sound from ACID, which can also be fun but to me sounds more herkyjerky than repeater's. either way.. electrix products seem to get along with each other pretty happily. artifacts + effects = happy skincage! Jon/skincage ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Ritchford To: Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 8:11 PM Subject: Re: SV: Demo of Repeater in slomo? > >i decided to go ahead and do a demo mp3 of the time/pitch stretches for > >anyone interested: > > > >http://www.skincage.com/temp/slowtime.html > > yeah, right, a demo. hah! > > very trippy and it does show the heck out of the machine, > but you can't REALLY tell if the machine generates artefacts > or not... > > it's a great piece though, really, and I totally tripped out > with the iTunes visualizer and that. only just got that, it's > pretty impressive. > > /t > > > .........a new fortune every minute. > ..................Forteans of New York. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 21:41:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21664; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 21:19:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 21:19:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: SV: Repeater - defect flash card? Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 18:12:56 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3b.1a3bf3dd.28d544d1@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The demo loops are already on the stock Electrix cards. So all you have to do is press play. If you reformat, they are erased. -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: AALev123@aol.com [mailto:AALev123@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 4:57 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SV: Repeater - defect flash card? Does the manual tell you how to play the demo loops? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 23:57:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29010; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 23:36:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 23:36:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00bc01c13e5e$e8e8bfa0$6401a8c0@nc.rr.com> Reply-To: "diatom drone" From: "diatom drone" To: References: <3b.1a3bf3dd.28d544d1@aol.com> Subject: Re: SV: Repeater - defect flash card? Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 23:23:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i didn't get it at first either. i could be wrong but here's what i think happens: i think when you first start up repeater, it formats the first loop so you can record your own. is that true? either way, all you have to do is turn the loop dial and keep pushing play until you get a demo loop and then you are in business. i like the fact that you can change loops and just push play and it goes right to the next one. maybe that's a long running standard for loopers, i've no idea. besides kaoss pad and a dod delay pedal, repeater's my first hardware looper. hope this helped. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 7:57 PM Subject: Re: SV: Repeater - defect flash card? > Does the manual tell you how to play the demo loops? > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 23:58:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29044; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 23:37:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 23:37:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00bd01c13e5f$2adfa680$6401a8c0@nc.rr.com> Reply-To: "diatom drone" From: "diatom drone" To: Subject: question for nomadic loopers Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 23:25:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <2VLet.A.G-G.ztBp7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com to anyone here who plays out pretty often, i, a former software-only looper, am now in possession of several rack units in addition to a mixer. and i'd like to start doing more shows. henceforth, i need some rack cases! "well jon, get yourself some rack cases then." i'm with you on that. here are the problems i'm having though: a. i am not too well versed on the real differences between brands. b. i don't have a whole lot of money to spend, so whatever i get has to be worth it. . c. pawn shops are jokes here and ebay is just painful lately. where else can i look? i'm about to move near DC, so i hope the used equipment market will be a little more interesting and plentiful. any tips from people in the area or otherwise very much appreciated! Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 16 02:38:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA05638; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 02:16:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 02:16:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 02:01:04 -0400 Subject: Re: Headset mics From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200109160132.VAA22086@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tom -- I've been using a Samson AH1 airline mic for 4 months or so -- I love it. It sounds pretty good, has been very durable, is not expensive, and has no waistrap -- the entire unit fits around the head (and is comfortable) and transmits to a very smallreceiver (about the size of a mouse). I highly recommend it! Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 16 03:13:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA07376; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 02:51:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 02:51:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.20.137.233] From: "Joe Dallarda" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: enough!!!! Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 06:36:58 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Sep 2001 06:36:59.0289 (UTC) FILETIME=[FC985090:01C13E79] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why dont we just drop this goddamn f***ing topic already if it cant be discussed without descending into this kind of ignorant racist poison? Enough! Enough!! Enough!!! No wonder people are starting to take themselves off the list. I've always admired and respected this list for the exceptional quality, intelligence and sophistication of the people on it. I really regret having to say that this is absoloutly no longer the case. j. kevin mulhill wrote: >When you look at the delighted faces of >Palestinians cheering in the streets, we have to realize that there ar >cultures on this planet of such depravity that understanding them is >never >fully possible. And empathy for them at such a moment is >obscene. But we >can observe and remember. There is always a tension >between civilization >and barbarism, and the barbarians are now here. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 16 04:19:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA10576; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 03:57:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 03:57:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010916002147.02658d88@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 00:41:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: enough!!!! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <0JrW9C.A.PcC.cgFp7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm really tired of saying this. Stop posting any of this bickering on the list NOW. Find the resolve in yourselves to not reply on this list, and take it someplace else if you need to. Hopefully the rest of us can have at least this place to escape from it all. I'm really not fooling around anymore. thanks, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 16 04:22:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA11734; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 04:01:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 04:01:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 00:52:56 -0700 Subject: Re: Line6 Echo Pro From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01af01c13df8$073e6d40$152df7c2@zetnet.co.uk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Devices with MIDI inputs, tap tempo, and no way to sync to MIDI clock are one of my pet peeves. >From what I gather from this thread, the Echo Pro doesn't fall into that category if used as a delay rather than as a looper. (For the price, however, in looking for a delay effect, I'd have to think about whether I'd rather get an Echo Pro or a TC D-Two.) Lacking MIDI clock-smarts in the looper is certainly disappointing. I'm trying to resolve whether it falls into the pet peeve category. Certainly, it would be very useful to quantize operations to MIDI clock-defined beats. That ought to be pretty easy. It could even handle late presses by keeping a small buffer. Where it gets messy is after the loop is recorded. What is the looper supposed to do if the tempo changes? The Repeater purports to track the loop tempo without changing the pitch though I gather from the posts here that it may end up with it's timing skewed as it does so. My EDP is in the other room and not presently wired to anything sending MIDI clock. What does it do since it doesn't have fancy pitch shifting software? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 16 04:46:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA13492; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 04:24:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 04:24:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: RE: how can I loop more than one thing with my setup. Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 10:13:31 +0200 Message-ID: <000401c13e87$79e59280$0301a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <13d.17fa105.28d55315@aol.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve, you need what every true looping musician needs :-) - a small mixer. There are lots of people using mixers in looping setups around here, I myself have shared my experiences with this on the list - search the archives for "Straschill" and "Mixer". Handy mixers would be the small Mackies (I myself do also use a 1202 VLZ Pro) or Behringers - although there have been some objections towards Behringer here (search for "Behringer"). If you don't need to mix the signals, only to combine them, you can also use a programmable patchbay (like the Octopus or the Akai something-or-other). This gives you the advantage of being able to switch around via MIDI-footswitches. And of course the coolest way would be to use a programme digital mixer (a la Yamaha 03R)... Sincerely, Rainer Straschill Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs -----Original Message----- From: SWatts9225@aol.com [mailto:SWatts9225@aol.com] Sent: Sonntag, 16. September 2001 02:58 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: how can I loop more than one thing with my setup. I was hoping someone could help me. I am primarily a guitarist and I use a boomerang to loop. I sen the looped signal to the board ( as opposed to through the guitar amp) to give the signal its own space. I have a moog theremin and a roland gr-33 guitar synth that I would like to be able to loop as well. The boomerang has one in and one out. Can anyone help????????? Thanx,- Steve Watts From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 16 06:21:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA18397; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 05:59:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 05:59:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <03a101c13e94$2474c980$049b8aa4@internet> From: "J ! J !" To: References: <13d.17fa105.28d55315@aol.com> Subject: The Ultimate dream looping software ! Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 11:44:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_039E_01C13EA4.E3A22EA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_039E_01C13EA4.E3A22EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello everybody, I plan to work on building an application for loop composing and = performance. Actually i'm looking for suggestions that's why i allow myself to ask = you what would like to have for your loop-performance or composition. As we are limited just by our imagination feel free to tell me your = views on looping tools ! Moreover, the soft that i'll make will be build under max/MSP so i'll be = able to distribute it freely for mac users. Best salutations, I hope to read from you soon ! J ! J ! ------=_NextPart_000_039E_01C13EA4.E3A22EA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_039E_01C13EA4.E3A22EA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 16 07:10:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA19706; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 06:49:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 06:49:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009901c13e9b$a36765c0$bb64f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200109160132.VAA22085@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: What is happening to our list? Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 03:37:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Everybody, By my count we have lost at least three prominent members from this list this week, including the inimitable Goddess and one of our most famous and creative members, David Torn. In the past couple of months, with a distinct heighthening in the last horrible week, a lot of the posts on L.D. have seemed to get more personal, more petty and sometimes even downright hateful, whether it be about Repeater woes or Terrorist politics. People are seeming to write reactively instead of considering, carefully, the effect that they are going to have on each other. Several people I know have mentioned that it has depressed them. It has depressed me and we have definitely lost a few important contributors. For the Americans on the list (which I suspect, probably represents the majority of posters) we have all suffered a psychic and emotional abuse with the intentional plane crashes of the past week. Consequently, anyone who has ever grown up with any kind of abusive background is in grave danger of regressing, emotionally. The signs of post traumatic stress are everywhere: people are depressed, irritable, moody, agitated and confused. If you don't feel this way, you certainly know several people who do and the cultural effect is like a mobile: send part of it spinning out of control and it effects everyone. My point is that now is a time to be very reasoned because of the heighthened sensitivity of everyone around us. I am not advocating stuffing our feelings, but I do advocate checking out who you are communicating with before you unleash on them. I'm with Kim, our intrepid moderator/list leader, Loopers Delight is a place where I go to get away from the depressing aspects of the world. It is a community that I have grown to love and value. I'm proud of us, but my faith has been shaken of late and several of our brothers and sisters have left because of our intemperance. Let's all try to be very, very concious and compassionate to ALL LIST MEMBERS in the next few weeks (if not for the lifetime of this list). No matter how stronlgy you feel, please attempt to be sensitive to how your posts will be taken by your 'opponent'. If we work towards consensus, we stand a much better chance of creating what we want to create on this list. We will certainly be more respected by the manufacturers who make these beautiful, if imperfect looping devices which can only help them in their R&D efforts. Sent with love and appreciation, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 16 11:34:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00439; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 11:12:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 11:12:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BA4BEC2.27AE6DCA@pathcom.com> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 11:01:22 -0400 From: hutton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What is happening to our list? References: <200109160132.VAA22085@hemlock.violacea.com> <009901c13e9b$a36765c0$bb64f93f@dnlsh01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Consequently, anyone who has ever grown up with any kind of abusive background is in grave danger of regressing, emotionally. You have good intentions ......... But this statement nullifies anything you have posted! You can not make this kind of remark with this form of ideology ..... You have made yourself part of the problem ....... You are the wrong person to communicate this kind of gesture as well intended as it is Chris Hutton Canadian "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" wrote: > Hi Everybody, > > By my count we have lost at least three prominent members from this list > this week, including the inimitable Goddess and one of our most famous and > creative members, David Torn. > > In the past couple of months, with a distinct heighthening in the last > horrible week, a lot of the posts on L.D. have seemed to get more personal, > more petty and sometimes even downright hateful, whether it be about > Repeater woes or Terrorist politics. People are seeming to write reactively > instead of considering, carefully, the effect that they are going to have on > each other. Several people I know have mentioned that it has depressed > them. It has depressed me and we have definitely lost a few important > contributors. > > For the Americans on the list (which I suspect, probably represents the > majority of posters) we have all suffered a psychic and emotional abuse with > the intentional plane crashes of the past week. Consequently, anyone who > has ever grown up with any kind of abusive background is in grave danger of > regressing, emotionally. The signs of post traumatic stress are > everywhere: people are depressed, irritable, moody, agitated and confused. > If you don't feel this way, you certainly know several people who do and the > cultural effect is like a mobile: send part of it spinning out of control > and it effects everyone. > > My point is that now is a time to be very reasoned because of the > heighthened sensitivity of everyone around us. I am not advocating > stuffing our feelings, but I do advocate checking out who you are > communicating with before you unleash on them. > > I'm with Kim, our intrepid moderator/list leader, Loopers Delight is > a place where I go to get away from the depressing aspects of the world. > It is a community that I have grown to love and value. I'm proud of us, but > my faith has been shaken of late and several of our brothers and sisters > have left because of our intemperance. > > Let's all try to be very, very concious and compassionate to ALL LIST > MEMBERS in the next few weeks (if not for the lifetime of this list). No > matter how stronlgy you feel, please attempt to be sensitive to how your > posts will be taken by your 'opponent'. If we work towards consensus, we > stand a much better chance of creating what we want to create on this list. > We will certainly be more respected by the manufacturers who make these > beautiful, if imperfect looping devices which can only help them in their > R&D efforts. > > Sent with love and appreciation, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 16 12:11:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02047; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 11:49:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 11:49:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Dave Hastings" To: Subject: EDP in software? Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 08:40:14 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c13ec5$e0f952c0$652279a5@hmv5n> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone know of software that works kind of like an EDP? I'm basically looking for something where I can push a button (preferable a footswitch) to start recording, and press a button to stop recording and loop. I'd also like to be able to overdub. I'm interested in software for the PC (not necessarily windows). Mac might be interesting too as a reference (I don't own a Mac). I want to avoid the push a button to record, push a button to stop, set loop area, repeat cycle I get with Sonic Foundry and Cakewalk products. I've searched through Altavista and Yahoo, and I find lots of references to CDLooper, the band Looper, and various people who's last name is Looper. I checked through the mailing list archives, and the software references there seem to be to updates for the EDP, and commentary on the mailing list software. Alternatively, can anyone suggest other terms to look for this by. What do these things get called besides 'loopers' thanks -daveh -------------- Dave Hastings dhastings@earthlink.net "When in doubt, don't major in physics" Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle according to Joel Achenbach From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 16 13:27:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07319; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 13:05:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 13:05:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.119.251] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP in software? Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 11:51:51 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Sep 2001 16:51:51.0682 (UTC) FILETIME=[E22CBE20:01C13ECF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well Dave, you are asking something momumental, yet simple. I have been "software" looping for the past 3 years, and I have not found anything that will "interactively" record and loop at the same time. Sure there is Cool Edit Pro, ACID and ReLoop, but these software titles are either "half way" there or not "quite" what you are looking for. Most of those apps will play "loops" that are pre-recorded, and trimmed up. In addition, they can't be "triggered" in the normal sense. The closest to your request IMHO, is PCDj Red. Hooked to the Numark DMC 1, this is a good looper, of sorts. But, again, the loops must be pre-recorded. ReLooper, will play a myriad of your "pre-recorded" loops, but this must be "mouse" operated. Maybe you have given me a "software" project to develop ?!? Ok, all you C++, and Visual Basic folks, can ya think of anything, or even come up with a design that would facilitate this new "software" looper ? Lucien E. Darthard A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It. http://go.to/ldarthard/ ----Original Message Follows---- Dave Wrote : Anyone know of software that works kind of like an EDP? I'm basically looking for something where I can push a button (preferable a footswitch) to start recording, and press a button to stop recording and loop. I'd also like to be able to overdub. I'm interested in software for the PC (not necessarily windows). Mac might be interesting too as a reference (I don't own a Mac). I want to avoid the push a button to record, push a button to stop, set loop area, repeat cycle I get with Sonic Foundry and Cakewalk products. I've searched through Altavista and Yahoo, and I find lots of references to CDLooper, the band Looper, and various people who's last name is Looper. I checked through the mailing list archives, and the software references there seem to be to updates for the EDP, and commentary on the mailing list software. Alternatively, can anyone suggest other terms to look for this by. What do these things get called besides 'loopers' thanks -daveh -------------- Dave Hastings dhastings@earthlink.net "When in doubt, don't major in physics" Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle according to Joel Achenbach _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 16 13:28:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07311; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 13:05:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 13:05:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.119.251] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Ultimate dream looping software ! Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 11:53:30 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Sep 2001 16:53:30.0441 (UTC) FILETIME=[1D0A2B90:01C13ED0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Amazing, Dave Hastings just asked for the same thing.... Lucien E. Darthard A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It. Cell Phone 1-773-578-3504 http://go.to/ldarthard/ ----Original Message Follows---- From: "J ! J !" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Subject: The Ultimate dream looping software ! Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 11:44:05 +0200 Hello everybody, I plan to work on building an application for loop composing and performance. Actually i'm looking for suggestions that's why i allow myself to ask you what would like to have for your loop-performance or composition. As we are limited just by our imagination feel free to tell me your views on looping tools ! Moreover, the soft that i'll make will be build under max/MSP so i'll be able to distribute it freely for mac users. Best salutations, I hope to read from you soon ! J ! J ! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 16 15:08:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12187; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 14:46:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 14:46:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BA4F09B.C6F19D16@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 11:34:03 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP in software? References: <000201c13ec5$e0f952c0$652279a5@hmv5n> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Perhaps you should look into ACID for Win/tel boxes, or Phrazer for the Mac. www.sharewaremusicmachine.com is a good place to get demos. Mark Sottilaro Dave Hastings wrote: > Anyone know of software that works kind of like an EDP? I'm basically > looking for something where I can push a button (preferable a footswitch) to > start recording, and press a button to stop recording and loop. I'd also > like to be able to overdub. I'm interested in software for the PC (not > necessarily windows). Mac might be interesting too as a reference (I don't > own a Mac). > > I want to avoid the push a button to record, push a button to stop, set loop > area, repeat cycle I get with Sonic Foundry and Cakewalk products. > > I've searched through Altavista and Yahoo, and I find lots of references to > CDLooper, the band Looper, and various people who's last name is Looper. I > checked through the mailing list archives, and the software references there > seem to be to updates for the EDP, and commentary on the mailing list > software. > > Alternatively, can anyone suggest other terms to look for this by. What do > these things get called besides 'loopers' > > thanks > -daveh > -------------- > Dave Hastings > dhastings@earthlink.net > "When in doubt, don't major in physics" > Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle according to Joel Achenbach From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 16 15:40:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14447; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 15:17:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 15:17:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: o.malhomme@club.lemonde.fr Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 21:06:18 +0200 (CEST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: My Jam man etc etc X-Mailer: Medianet/v1.14 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA13899 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -- "Oliver Try the power supply from your Vortex with the JamMan. (if you havent already) andy butler" Mmmm The first thing I tried out. Doesn't chaneg a thing, the vortex's still healthy and the jammie as dead as dead can be. Following instruction provided on a weel known site that is all about taking pleasure and delight an the act of repeat, I tried to activate the diagnostic mode, and what happens is that this mode can actually be called, but nothing would happen then, encoder wouldn't react and no test can then be activated... Guess I'm going to pay this "four time" the price in servicing... Olivier From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 16 16:53:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18989; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 16:32:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 16:32:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003701c13eed$0c78d020$cc64f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200109161940.PAA15494@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Rick replies for the last time on this subject Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 13:20:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Chris (and fellow loopers), You wrote: "You can not make this kind of remark with this form of ideology ..... You have made yourself part of the problem ....... You are the wrong person to communicate this kind of gesture as well intended as it is" I hope you, and everyone, realizes that what makes this list potentially great is the fact that there is no such thing as a 'wrong person's" post. I'm acknowledging a problem that is really tiring out a lot of people on our list and asking for level headedness in our future posts. My observations are merely that, observations..........they don't constitute an ideology per se. Dysfunctionalism and Abusive behavior is rampant in the United States of America (since long before the terrorist attacks) and there is truly an emotional regression going on here because of this last weeks events. I have seen more random abusive behavior in public in the last week than at any time in my life (mostly really small, petty, overreactive instances). Ask any professional psychologist or field worker, they will tell you this is true. Hey Chris, let's just chill out a little and get back to the business of being creative. Being 'right' isn't what's important.........the emotional health of our community is what's really important. Truce? `Thanks for listening, Rick Walker (aka, loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 16 17:13:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19813; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 16:47:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 16:47:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c13f01$13c6d700$1f729818@default> From: "Daniel" To: Subject: music is the best ambassador (radio url's attached as winamp file) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 16:43:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C13ECE.C6548EE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C13ECE.C6548EE0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000D_01C13ECE.C6548EE0" ------=_NextPart_001_000D_01C13ECE.C6548EE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think this is the best way to understand the culture of the middle = east. I hope you can get together with any related associations in the = us and sponsor joint cultural concerts and events. I hope dt hears these = sattions and provide us with some views on these musical genres and the = distincy 32 note motifs and microtonalism which caraterises this music, = as well as instrumentation. Once you take away fear, lack of comprehension, doubt, = misintrepretation, isolation, hatred and ignorance in general. You take = away what terrorism thrives the most on. By acquiring empathy you = basically see yourself in what was once your ewnemy's eyes. enjoy the radio stations. wasalaam. peace be onto you ------=_NextPart_001_000D_01C13ECE.C6548EE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think this is the best way to understand the = culture of the=20 middle east. I hope you can get together with any related associations = in the us=20 and sponsor joint cultural concerts and events. I hope dt hears these = sattions=20 and provide us with some views on these musical genres and the distincy = 32 note=20 motifs and microtonalism which caraterises this music, as well as=20 instrumentation.
 
Once you take away fear, lack of comprehension, = doubt,=20 misintrepretation, isolation, hatred and ignorance in general. You take = away=20 what terrorism thrives the most on. By acquiring empathy you basically = see=20 yourself in what was once your ewnemy's eyes.
enjoy the radio stations.
wasalaam.
peace be onto you
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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 17:15:25 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 In-Reply-To: <001d01c13dfc$775078e0$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David, I really wanted to catch him in Philly, but unfortunately, I had a previous out-of-town commitment :-( I am hoping to try and catch his performance again before he heads back to the left-coast. Karl "We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams" Willy Wonka >>From: David Beardsley [mailto:db@biink.com] >>He playing Philly tonight with Spectral Voices. >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 16 17:59:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22923; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 17:34:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 17:34:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Karl Sangree" To: Subject: Re: Newbie Alert! Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 17:22:45 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 In-Reply-To: <001d01c13dfc$775078e0$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Many thanks to Glenn, Mark, Rick, Roy, and David (I hope I didn't leave anyone out!) for your thoughtful responses. Unless someone tells me differently, I will test the looping waters with either a Line 6 DL-4, or the Boss RC-20. Both seem to be good entry-level machines. I guess the next step is to drag one or two of my didgeridoos to the music store and try them out. Thanks again for your help. I know that newbie questions can be annoying, especially if you have answered them a hundred times already. I appreciate your patience. Hopefully, I'll get some experience with the loopers and have something more intelligent to ask in the near future :-) Are any of you guys near Philly? I would love to trade some didgeridoo lessons for some looping lessons. Peace, Karl S "We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams" Willy Wonka P.S. Roy D. - Steal away! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 16 19:12:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26758; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 18:47:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 18:47:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b601c13eff$73f36c80$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: Subject: Re: the electric tuba visits the city of liberty, brotherly love and mysterious exits off I-95 to I-76W. Yikes. Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 18:32:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Karl Sangree > David, > > I really wanted to catch him in Philly, but unfortunately, I had a previous > out-of-town commitment :-( I drove down yesterday afternoon. It was amazing. I heard Tom at Nova Nights (the Den of Cin is a small performance space) and Downtown Music Gallery (a cd shop the size of a hallway) in NYC and this was his best set yet. Nova was in mono and DMG was in stereo but it's not a large enough space to make it obvious... St. Mary is an old church, a nice ambience but they had a nice sound re-enforcement system. Both Tom and the amazing Spectral Voices used stereo reverbs that made them sound HUGE. Cool light show too. It looked like we under water during parts of Tom's set. I'd say it was the best set I've heard from Tom during his short stay in the area. I'm familiar with Spectral Voices from their CDs (well, I know these guys, when I met them in '97 they were showing me their singing skills @ the Dream House http://melafoundation.org ), so it's the first time I've really heard them, but they blew me away. New EDP users too. :) > I am hoping to try and catch his performance again before he heads back to > the left-coast. I think he's playing in Akron, Ohio on Thursday. And somewere in Canada, but I don't have the info on that gig. And maybe one last date in NYC on Oct. 5th or 6th. We'll see about that one. Get his album. It kicks - as well as ambient drones kick. ;) http://hypnos.com Check out Spectral Voices too - http://www.spectralvoices.com/ * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 16 20:24:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27134; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 18:52:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 18:52:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BA52C82.DD521B38@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 15:49:38 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rick replies for the last time on this subject References: <200109161940.PAA15494@hemlock.violacea.com> <003701c13eed$0c78d020$cc64f93f@dnlsh01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got to agree with Rick. I know that, for myself, I had a lot emotionally (and somewhat financially) invested in the Repeater. My looper is a huge part of how I make music, and that I make music is a huge part of me, so with cash tight, it's easy to get over excited about it's flaws and percieved flaws. I can't imagine it's easy for Kim either, to have is "baby" challanged. I ultimately think it will be good for the EDP, and loopers of all kinds, but I think that this was effecting the climate of Loopers Delight before the WTC attack. No one wants to think "oh no, I bought the wrong thing" or "shit, the expensive thing I bought is obsolete." I've also seen this happen many times on different lists I've belonged to. Frankly, with no moderator, I'm amazed the Loopers list is as good as it is. If I were Kim I would have gave one warning and started kick/banning any who ignored the warning. Obviously the Loopers Delight mailing list is not a place to discuss politics. My way of dealing with it is to put an email filter on the offending posters. Perhaps if we all did this, sooner or later the offenders would wonder why no one replied to their posts and unsubscribe (if they could figure out how to) Yeah, I'm cranky and jaded, but I like it that way. After a hellish work week, I really don't have the time. Mark Sottilaro "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" wrote: > Dear Chris (and fellow loopers), > > You wrote: "You can not make this kind of remark with this form of > ideology ..... You have > made yourself part of the problem ....... You are the wrong person to > communicate this kind of gesture as well intended as it is" > > I hope you, and everyone, realizes that what makes this list potentially > great is the fact that there is no such thing as a 'wrong person's" post. > > I'm acknowledging a problem that is really tiring out a lot of people on > our list and asking for level headedness in our future posts. My > observations are merely that, observations..........they don't constitute an > ideology per se. > > Dysfunctionalism and Abusive behavior is rampant in the United States of > America (since long before the terrorist attacks) and there is truly an > emotional regression going on here because of this last weeks events. I have > seen more random abusive behavior in public in the last week than at any > time in my life (mostly really small, petty, overreactive instances). Ask > any professional psychologist or field worker, they will tell you this is > true. > > Hey Chris, let's just chill out a little and get back to the business > of being creative. Being 'right' isn't what's important.........the > emotional health of our community is what's really important. Truce? > > `Thanks for listening, Rick Walker (aka, loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 16 22:02:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04253; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 21:39:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 21:39:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: Was RE: Rick replies for the last time on this subject Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 20:25:39 -0500 Message-ID: <004701c13f17$a9b91000$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <3BA52C82.DD521B38@zerocrossing.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I personally would still like to hear some good, un-biased recommendations as to how these two units (Repeater & EDP) might be effectively used together. Each one obviously has their strengths and together could be the ultimate set up for looping (ie, the sum is greater than the parts). What is the best setup for flexibility? Do you put each on a different bus or feed one into the other? One application I can think of, off the top of my head which could be very useful is to use the Repeater for recording loops (maybe ambient loops, etc.) that the EDP creates and then begin looping them while you clear the EDP and start all over. Am I off base here? Thanks, Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 16 22:46:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07048; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 22:24:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 22:24:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 21:22:39 -0500 From: Mike Subject: Re: how can I loop more than one thing with my setup. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3BA55E6F.DB7C58@swbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <13d.17fa105.28d55315@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A mixer with effect send on each channel is the way to go. There are plenty of little 6 and 8 channel mixers out there. I found a DOD stereo 8 channel that I run my guitar rig through along with a vocal mic and couple of mics for my percussionist and found it actually simplified my setup and made for a better sound (separation from two speakers, everything mixed nicely) I also use "hot spot" powered monitors from the monitor output of the mixer for both of us which serves mostly as a reference to hear the looped parts of songs. Mike Killian SWatts9225@aol.com wrote: > > I was hoping someone could help me. I am primarily a guitarist > and I use a boomerang to loop. I sen the looped signal to the board ( > as opposed to through the guitar amp) to give the signal its own > space. I have a moog theremin and a roland gr-33 guitar synth that I > would like to be able to loop as well. The boomerang has one in and > one out. Can anyone help????????? > Thanx,- > Steve Watts From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 16 23:28:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA10637; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 23:06:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 23:06:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: Kevin replies for the last time on this subject (goodbye for now) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 19:53:22 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, First, I thank all for their posts, both back to the list and privately. Second, I've decided to leave the list for awhile. I think I'll be back, but when I come back, I want to be reasonably certain that we're back to music-only topics. That last sentence may surprise some of you given my recent off-topic posts - but please remember that, with the exception of the "Food for Thoughts" posts that I sent out, I only responded to the posts of others. The Food for Thoughts posts were each written by other people and covered the gamut of emotions and attitudes - I tried to have a little bit here for everyone - and they were honestly intended to be just what the subject line indicated - food for thought. I remember reading a long time ago that real learning only takes place through struggle. I think we've struggled some on this list this week, which leads me to think that possibly some of us have learned something. I know that in my case I've been reminded that there are always two sides to a coin, and that there are issues the U.S. faces on the global stage, as the result of our missteps, that won't be resolved easily or without pain. I hope others can point to something they have learned as well. Third, with regard to my Food for Thoughts posts, I've noticed that, even though each post was a separate comment - in quotes - and with the original author listed, some of you have incorrectly attributed the verbiage in these posts to me, as illustrated in the clip below from a previous email. When you do so, this is both a disservice to me and to the original writer. It's a disservice to the original writer because you're unfairly assigning his or her work to another. That's not right of course. It's a disservice to me because the work is not my own, and because I don't even agree with the thoughts behind all of the posts (as in the example below). The posts were intended, as noted above, simply to be food for thought and nothing more. In any event, I wish all of you well for now and hope for blessings on each of your families. Kevin > kevin mulhill wrote: > >When you look at the delighted faces of > >Palestinians cheering in the streets, we have to realize that there ar > >cultures on this planet of such depravity that understanding > them is >never > >fully possible. And empathy for them at such a moment is > >obscene. But we > >can observe and remember. There is always a tension >between > civilization > >and barbarism, and the barbarians are now here. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 00:04:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11938; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 23:42:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 23:42:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.69.204.110] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rick replies for the last time on this subject Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 03:29:47 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Sep 2001 03:29:47.0929 (UTC) FILETIME=[00988890:01C13F29] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all.... I have been on the list for some time now, and on occaision have chimed in with my two cents worth of opinions, questions, and rants. I even got to meet several of you on the recent Bass Looping Tour, something for which I was humbly honored. I wanted to now, in this time of such heavy emotions, toss out a few words of thanks to everyone on the LD list. For me personally, it has been and continues to be a great source of ideas, inspiration, and techniques for an art form I still learning. Yes, I use a JamMan and a DL4. No 'peater, no 'rang, no EDP, but I read each post of these other instruments, and (usually) find something in each thread which deals with or inspires me to techniques I can use with my own setup. It seems like such a great and unique way for artists to exchange ideas and critiques, and inspirations....and, most of all, help each other to be creative in their musical endeavours! For that concept alone I tip my hat in salute to Kim! What a radical concept: a forum where people can actually help each other!! Is there some kind of prize we can nominate Kim for? I have exchanged ideas, via this forum, and because of this forum, with many immensely talented artists....many of whom I now count as my friends. I have rec'd off-list e-mails from members offering ideas, concepts, congratulations, and questions and advice. For me, and my ever-evolving loop-work, this list has been a God-send. Yet...for the past few weeks, many threads have degraded to a lot of bitching, name-calling, personal attacks, and, of this past week, many perhaps heart-felt but inappropriate comments on the state of world affairs. Please...let us all get past this and return to the list to the inspirational reading I used to enjoy each morning with my coffee. In regards to looping machines, and such: to those of you who do not feel the Repeater is all it can be: Hey....at least you got one! Your interest, and the money you invested will keep the companies interested in developing loopers! Your comments, even those of you who seem a bit confused or disillusioned, help those of us who do not ( or have not yet) bought one! Thank you for sharing all those comments and reviews! Thanks to all the EDP users for sharing their "found" or "discovered" techniques and applications. Believe it or not, everytime I read one of these kinds of threads, I find myself thinking of how that could be effected by own rig...with my limited technology. Thanks to all you! Max _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 03:36:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA24624; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 03:13:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 03:13:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01af01c13df8$073e6d40$152df7c2@zetnet.co.uk> References: <01af01c13df8$073e6d40$152df7c2@zetnet.co.uk> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 04:00:17 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: more about MIDIclock (was: Line6 Echo Pro) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Obviously Matthias, I will bow to your superior wisdom on the topic, >but I would have thought to just adding the ability to respond and >sync a single mono loop to MIDI start and stop messages really >wouldn't be that difficult at all? After all, it's >one of the most basic functions of the JamMan, and if the ability to >sync is there on the other delays, they must be most of the way >there already, no? hm... it depends on what you mean by "respond to a sync". You are right that some delays read MIDIclock and create a delay of an apropriate time, but then they dont continue syncing. As long as the delay repeats just a few time, this is not audible, but they way we keep loops going, we would hear them falling apart. You are also right that this would be simple and still better than nothing. ;-) As far as I understood, there are 3 units so far, that continuously sync to MIDI: - The JamMan creates hicks at loop end, that some users complain about. - There are hardly any such complaints about the EDP, but I know there are such artefacts, too :-) (depending strongly on the regularity of the incoming clock). - Now Electrix chose the more elegant and flexible way to stretch the loop. But (out of filter theory) it seems impossible to create a (quicker sample clock out of a slow (and sometimes instable) MIDIclock without getting some delay and some oscillation in the speed regulation. And then the stretching brings also artefacts... I hope they can improve it, but some way or other, the problem continues, I am afraid... For a connection to a sequencer, the solution clearly is to use the loop unit as master, but even this is not easy... > > >No syncing????? huh? what's the deal with that? That's sooo easy to >> >do if the MIDI is already there!!! >> >> well, I spent a terrific time with it and Electrix probably too, >> before they released it with mentioned limitations... so what makes >> you think its sooo easy? >> -- >> >> >> ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org >> -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 03:36:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA24623; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 03:13:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 03:13:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010915181433.2811.qmail@web12803.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010915181433.2811.qmail@web12803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 03:59:44 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Line6 Echo Pro Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I guess the delays still doesn¥t have a "Hold" >function, right?, ...and they call it "pro". >Alex. > maybe you can set Feedback to 100% exactly? But still, you would have to switch the input off somehow... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 04:07:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA26220; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 03:44:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 03:44:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Line6 Echo Pro Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 03:30:32 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c13f4a$a2bcda60$392f04d1@ij.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id DAA25598 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know on the DL4, if you *don't* have it in 'true bypass mode', you can set the feedback to 100%, play a bit and let it repeat, stomp on the preset button to shut it off, the delays are 'held' and continue so you can play overtop...it will stay held until you activate another preset. Maybe the Echo Pro is the same? Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > >I guess the delays still doesn¥t have a "Hold" > >function, right?, ...and they call it "pro". > >Alex. > > > > maybe you can set Feedback to 100% exactly? > But still, you would have to switch the input off somehow... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 04:26:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA28242; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 04:03:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 04:03:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BA5AB07.34BC996E@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 00:49:28 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rick replies for the last time on this subject References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-zZVoC.A.leG.Yrap7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't feel so bad about not having a Repeater. If there was a fun per dollar award, I'd for sure give my JamMan one. For a bit, I figured my Repeater would make the JamMan obsolete, but after tearing down and putting my studio back together, I found it still is a VERY viable piece of gear. You won't find mine on Ebay anytime soon. (though I wonder how the Repeater is effecting JamMan prices on ebay...) So as the song goes, if you can't loop with the one you want, loop with the one you have. Just loop god damn it. Mark Sottilaro max valentino wrote: > Hi all.... > I have been on the list for some time now, and on occaision have chimed in > with my two cents worth of opinions, questions, and rants. I even got to > meet several of you on the recent Bass Looping Tour, something for which I > was humbly honored. > I wanted to now, in this time of such heavy emotions, toss out a few words > of thanks to everyone on the LD list. For me personally, it has been and > continues to be a great source of ideas, inspiration, and techniques for an > art form I still learning. > Yes, I use a JamMan and a DL4. No 'peater, no 'rang, no EDP, but I read each > post of these other instruments, and (usually) find something in each thread > which deals with or inspires me to techniques I can use with my own setup. > It seems like such a great and unique way for artists to exchange ideas and > critiques, and inspirations....and, most of all, help each other to be > creative in their musical endeavours! > For that concept alone I tip my hat in salute to Kim! What a radical > concept: a forum where people can actually help each other!! Is there > some kind of prize we can nominate Kim for? > I have exchanged ideas, via this forum, and because of this forum, with many > immensely talented artists....many of whom I now count as my friends. I > have rec'd off-list e-mails from members offering ideas, concepts, > congratulations, and questions and advice. For me, and my ever-evolving > loop-work, this list has been a God-send. > Yet...for the past few weeks, many threads have degraded to a lot of > bitching, name-calling, personal attacks, and, of this past week, many > perhaps heart-felt but inappropriate comments on the state of world affairs. > Please...let us all get past this and return to the list to the > inspirational reading I used to enjoy each morning with my coffee. > In regards to looping machines, and such: to those of you who do not feel > the Repeater is all it can be: Hey....at least you got one! Your interest, > and the money you invested will keep the companies interested in developing > loopers! Your comments, even those of you who seem a bit confused or > disillusioned, help those of us who do not ( or have not yet) bought one! > Thank you for sharing all those comments and reviews! Thanks to all the EDP > users for sharing their "found" or "discovered" techniques and applications. > Believe it or not, everytime I read one of these kinds of threads, I find > myself thinking of how that could be effected by own rig...with my limited > technology. Thanks to all you! > Max > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 05:08:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA29718; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 04:46:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 04:46:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Vocode the band Message-ID: <1000715601.3ba5b5513a868@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 04:33:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Williamson References: <000c01c13d3a$cd2a8d40$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> <3.0.5.32.20010914163413.007e91c0@pop.metrocast.net> In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010914163413.007e91c0@pop.metrocast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 216.166.195.90 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting Tim Nelson : > No way. That's gotta be 'Miss You'... > BINGO!!! i forgot the name of the tune, the stones are not my normal repertoire. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 06:37:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA02057; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 06:14:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 06:14:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c13f5f$9270e600$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <004701c13f17$a9b91000$6501a8c0@stevespc> Subject: Steve replies for the first time on this subject Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 11:00:23 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have neither EDP nor Repeater. However, I have a pair of Zoom 2100s, and a DigiTech DDS 7.6 "Time Machine". Most of the time I have utilized them in a way that has the Zooms as the second line beyond my guitar, using a Y-switch (Rapco), with the two pairs of output from the Zooms going to a Mackie 1202VLZ mixer, channels 9-10, and 11-12. My effects loop goes to the DigiTech unit. While the Mackie has two effects loops, they're each one-out, two-return. I've also placed the Zooms in the effects loops this way, having a pair, and left the DigiTech unit out of the signal path entirely. ----- Original Message ----- From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Sent: 17 September 2001 02:25 AM Subject: Was RE: Rick replies for the last time on this subject > I personally would still like to hear some good, un-biased > recommendations as to how these two units (Repeater & EDP) might be > effectively used together. Each one obviously has their strengths and > together could be the ultimate set up for looping (ie, the sum is > greater than the parts). What is the best setup for flexibility? Do > you put each on a different bus or feed one into the other? One > application I can think of, off the top of my head which could be very > useful is to use the Repeater for recording loops (maybe ambient loops, > etc.) that the EDP creates and then begin looping them while you clear > the EDP and start all over. Am I off base here? > > Thanks, > Steve > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 11:44:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18552; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 11:20:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 11:20:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010c01c13f89$c71e3680$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <014f01c13a0d$cc3a1930$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: EDP question/etc. Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 10:02:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I wonder how you treat all this in Kyma? Hmmm, we covered a lot of topics. I'll try to respond to each. 1) I don't see any need to initially record in REVERSE. 2) I've thought a great deal about pitch-shifting, tempo-shifting, and pitch-tempo-shifting. Kyma already has several ways of doing this so, for the time being, I'm using them. As a design theology, I'm trying to provide only new features and capabilities. 3) I'm trying to eliminate the need for an auto-undo. At least as I understand the concept. I've got the undo working for overdubbing and multiply. I have not implemented INSERT yet, though I have a scheme that should work. (I've been too busy writing "foundation code".) As you know, a true INSERT requires that the looper device is always recording. Say that a loop has been recorded into buffer A and it's being played back. As an implementaion of INSERT: a) the looper is recording internally from buffer A to buffer B. b) If INSERT has not occurred by the time playback ends, we discard buffer B and replay buffer A. c) Upon receipt of the INSERT command (during playback), the playback from buffer A instantly stops but recording into buffer B continues with real-time audio. Upon release of INSERT mode, playback from buffer A commences from where it left off, again recording into buffer B. At the end of buffer A playback, we commence playback of buffer B. Actually, I rather like the blinking of the EDP's UNDO LED! But then I really like blinking lights. :) Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 11:45:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18553; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 11:20:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 11:20:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011201c13f89$f2ab0c10$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Newbie Alert! Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 10:03:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Subject: Newbie Alert! Welcome, Karl! There are a number of us here from the Mills Didj list. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 12:51:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23845; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 12:28:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 12:28:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000001c13f4a$a2bcda60$392f04d1@ij.net> References: <000001c13f4a$a2bcda60$392f04d1@ij.net> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 09:14:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: RE: Line6 Echo Pro Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dave, Thanks so much for this little tip. I've had the dl4 in true bypass mode since day one, not really needing to have delays cascade out as i switch patches. but your tip brings a whole new approach...using the switch as an input bypass! best, rich >I know on the DL4, if you *don't* have it in 'true bypass mode', you can >set the feedback to 100%, play a bit and let it repeat, stomp on the >preset button to shut it off, the delays are 'held' and continue so you >can play overtop...it will stay held until you activate another preset. >Maybe the Echo Pro is the same? > >Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices >http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 12:56:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24231; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 12:34:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 12:34:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 12:19:49 -0400 Subject: Re: Tolerance and flaming From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200109151615.MAA23090@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been lurking recently and reading the digest -- I have to say, on balance this list has opened my eyes to how tolerant people can be. I have so much respect for the many people who have replied to incendiary messages with an even-handed, factual, calm tone -- and I'm referring to the Repeater stuff as well as the recent brouhaha over politics. This morning in the gym I inadvertantly kicked the woman in the neighboring swim lane a few times. She finally yelled at me and demanded an apology. I have to say I thought of you guys as I quickly decided not to yell back rudely, but to tell her I certainly didn't intend to kick her and was sorry. A small incident, but it was difficult to do this -- interesting how I instinctively felt I lost status by not escalating the incident, like I wasn't "man enough" to "take care of it." But I thought of this list and how much I respect those who don't reply to flames with more flames. Sorry in advance for the off-topic message. Peace, Steve Sandberg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 13:35:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27221; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 13:13:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 13:13:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 10:00:23 -0700 From: "Miko Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Rick replies for the last time on this subject Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA26655 Resent-Message-ID: <0m8w8.A.ugG.Dxip7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I've got to agree with Rick. Ditto... I have a problem when simple, straightforward remarks or questions, are interpreted as 'ideologies' and then analysed and summarily refuted. When I have a question, I'd prefer to leave the psychoanalysis alone and just address the damn subject at hand. Nothing personal... I don't want to infer, presume or in any way template my own opinions onto another designer/musician/artist etc. I'm just looking for solutions to my LOOPING problems. I respectfully request that any ideological discussions be taken off list. -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 13:53:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28052; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 13:30:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 13:30:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <125.4a1893f.28d78a16@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 13:17:10 EDT Subject: We must carry on. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear fellow loopsters, We have all received a painful awakening to reality this week. Somehow all of our musicical/artistic/technical discussions, endeavors, concerns -- all of our rantings, ravings about this or that piece of software or hardware -- seem so irrelevant and rather "beside the point" in the wake of last Tuesday's terrible events as to be laughable. I don't know if any of the rest of you are having the same trouble that I am just getting out of bed in the morning. But as for me, it is taking an extreme act of will and determination just to get up and get moving. I want to stay wrapped in my blanket cocoon and hide -- for I know that all of the sensory input of the coming day will simply rub raw yet again the recently acquired wounds we've all received. No good can come from it. Awakened, I find my emotions swinging from pole to pole. Rational reflection in the aftermath of of this tragedy seems in critically short supply in most quarters -- even on this list. However -- somehow -- we must in discipline "carry on." As corny as it sounds it is the very thing that MUST be done. This forum is not the place to vent and rant about current events -- real as they are and as powerfully as we ALL have been affected by them. We each have flesh and blood communities within which we all can move and act and actually DO some real good. Here in cyberspace not really much of anything will truly happen. Get OUT THERE and do whatever your conscience is calling you to do -- but please, please, PLEASE do so in peace! As for this list -- it's purpose and intent -- we must try to recall it and reclaim it. Even though our art seems the most unimportant of fripperies (pun intended) at the moment, it is still one of the many things that makes us human and gives meaning, value and direction to our existence. It is our work. This list is meant to be (or so I perceive) an aide and a tool for helping us with this work. Let's get back to it. Let the emotions you are feeling during these bleak times inspire your musical creations. I'm sure they will be powerful ones. And, let the list return to "normal" so it can do it's own job. I'm sure we've all heard in recent days the thought that at least some of what the terrorists intended was the effect of having our entire civilization grind to a halt at every level. Let's not let that happen. Get back to work! Best regards to all. Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 14:09:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28898; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 13:47:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 13:47:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Karl Sangree" To: Subject: RE: Newbie Alert! Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 13:35:18 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <011201c13f89$f2ab0c10$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the welcome. I play bass guitar as well, and am subscribed to alt.guitar.bass, and it's amazing to see how many didjers are on that list too. I have already received a couple offers from guys in the area who are willing to spend some time getting me up to speed in exchange for some didj samples. I can't wait to get started. Again, many thanks to all of you who have made this newbie feel so welcome. Peace, Karl S "We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams" Willy Wonka >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Dennis Leas [mailto:dennis@mdbs.com] >>Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 11:04 AM >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Re: Newbie Alert! >> >> >>Subject: Newbie Alert! >> >>Welcome, Karl! There are a number of us here from the Mills Didj list. >> >>Dennis Leas >>------------------- >>dennis@mdbs.com >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 14:36:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31115; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 14:11:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 14:11:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010917175726.81315.qmail@web12002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 10:57:26 -0700 (PDT) From: philip raath Subject: Re: newbie To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200109170826.EAA29056@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com karl, have you checked out the discussion archives for info? there was a good discussion when the rc20 came out that you should check if you haven't already. there are a lot of shortcomings to it, whichall i don't remember right now. but if you want you can email me off list and i'll tell you about em'. anyway, just check those posts out if you have not already. remember to smile, phil ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 14:40:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31322; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 14:16:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 14:16:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 11:04:52 -0700 Subject: Eventide Eclipse? From: Allan Hoeltje To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is any one here using the Eventide Eclipse in there music making? I am looking for some user feedback, like what you like best/least about it, how it compares to the older more expensive Harmonizer units, etc. I am especialy interested in hearing about the quality of its distortion. -Allan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 15:40:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02707; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 15:12:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 15:12:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 15:02:23 -0400 Subject: Re: Newbie Alert! From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com unless i'm mistaken, in the movie, will wonka is actuall quoting a turn of the century poet named arthur o'shaunnessy... for what its worth... > > "We are the music makers, and > we are the dreamers of dreams" > Willy Wonka > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 15:41:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02900; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 15:15:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 15:15:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003301c13fab$78df1d50$b683abd4@giogio> From: "luca" To: References: Subject: Re: Eventide Eclipse? Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 21:03:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <9UX_LB.A.Oi.Ekkp7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Hoeltje" > Is any one here using the Eventide Eclipse in there music making? I am > looking for some user feedback, like what you like best/least about it, how > it compares to the older more expensive Harmonizer units, etc. I am > especialy interested in hearing about the quality of its distortion. Hi Allan, you can find a deep Eventide user's discussion group on yahoogroups: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventide-users Anyway, the multiband distortion you can find on Eventides from the 4000 series on, open the path to a different use of distortion. best, luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 15:59:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03908; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 15:36:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 15:36:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <8f.ffa6a73.28d7a786@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 15:22:46 EDT Subject: Conspicuous Capitalism at Work To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Language: en X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA03259 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Please pardon the spam. My CD has gotten another review. This time from my old home town rag 800 miles away. Josef Woodard, Santa Barbara Independent, 9.13-20.01 "Ted Killian is a nice enough fellow. Family man, mild-mannered, well-versed in the manipulation of ones and zeroes, PDFs and digital delay loops. Those who-knew-him-when as a local, and the graphic design point man at the Seymour Duncan compound in Goleta, knew him as a kindly sort who was missed when he packed up the clan and moved to the friendlier real estate climes of Oregon a few years ago. And then there is his alter artistic ego, also kindly, but also restless and wild. Killian is an electric guitar adventurer who may finally get some of the attention he deserves, having finally released his debut CD, Flux Aeterna, on the pfMENTUM label, run by his old friend and comrade, Santa Barbaran new-jazz maestro, Jeff Kaiser (www.pfmentum.com). A beautiful, raucous, and ethereal maze of sounds both physical and digital, and mostly conjured with guitars, Killian obviously ignored the advice of anyone who might have suggested “don't try this at home.†What has come out of his garage, and his brain, is a mutant DIY jewel. Experimental, yes. Accessible, too, in the way that mad guitar playing in the post-Hendrix era has embedded itself in the collective ear. Some may have caught Killian’s very occasional live appearances, in Santa Barbara and Ventura, in which he appeared entangled in wires and chains of effects. To set up kinetic musical canvas situations, Killian would deploy looping devices, including the mythical antique, the Electro-Harmonix 16-second digital delay unit, and sound-altering devices such as a ring modulator and mondo-distortion pressed into the service of grace. As heard on the opening track, “Hubble,†Killian doesn't spare the piercing solo guitar statements, the epic rock gesture that sounds loud no matter what volume you've dialed up. But often, those sweeping lines are laid atop surprisingly delicate, layered backdrops, as on “Cauterant Baptism,†or the languid distorto-toned musing drifting over “Recurvate Plaint.†“Leaving Medford†is an Oregonian-specific play on the song “Leaving Memphis,†but the vibe here is industrial and a touch foreboding, and a splinkety energy bubbles beneath the textural demolition derby that is “Reverse Logic.†But tenderness and subtlety hover about the proceedings, too. “Nocturnal Interstices†is an ambient collage of soaring tones and happily elusive structure. “Convocation Solitaire†is a sweet dream of a loop-happy tone poem, somewhat reminiscent of Bill Frisell’s first album. The title cut closes the album with its underwater-sounding arpeggios and unruly rock phrases, all dressed up in feedback and tattered timbral garb. The nice guy, the artist, the looper, and the rock riffster walk into a bar . . . and a church. For anyone wondering about the painterly expressive potential of the electric guitar, this is one prime example. One hears influential strains of artful gadget-tweakers David Torn and Robert Fripp here, but Killian is also onto something that is uniquely his own. This is the work of an open-minded, dogma-resistant experimentalist in a rock guitarphile’s body." MP3s available at: http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/138/ted_killian.html CDs for sale at: http://www.pfmentum.com/catalog.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 16:01:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03849; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 15:34:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 15:34:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.193.125.73] From: "The Weg" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Newbie Alert! Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 19:21:33 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Sep 2001 19:21:33.0349 (UTC) FILETIME=[F6141D50:01C13FAD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Correct, The movie was on yesterday here. Peace to all! Weg From: mr monk Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Subject: Re: Newbie Alert! Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 15:02:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [207.228.238.9] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBD6F96600047400438DECFE4EE0905500; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 12:13:42 -0700 Received: (from looper@localhost)by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00872;Mon, 17 Sep 2001 14:58:41 -0400 >From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon, 17 Sep 2001 12:14:38 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 14:58:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com unless i'm mistaken, in the movie, will wonka is actuall quoting a turn of the century poet named arthur o'shaunnessy... for what its worth... > > "We are the music makers, and > we are the dreamers of dreams" > Willy Wonka > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 16:34:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06596; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 16:08:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 16:08:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 13:01:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Repeater Fun! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In the spirit of discussing music making and sound shaping, I 'd like to share this little nugget I'm discovering about Repeater, it's non-destructive trim feature. I don't know if this was designed as a live performance feature, but interactively chopping and adding bars off the beginning and end of a multi bar loop is pretty interesting... Using either musical phrases that change subtly, or bars of scraping, distorted, noise, I'm finding it musically interesting to zero in on various sections, then zoom back out, while continously mixing the 4 tracks. Once you're bored with this, you can do a second press of trim to get into minutes & seconds trim, cut the sample down to a second or two, do a trim cut, then multiply it out for a new ambient bed. And, for roughly the eight millionth time, I have to say the time stretch/pitch shift when abused can come up with some fascinating, grungy, twitchy, grinding, and at times hauntingly beautiful sounds... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 16:49:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07306; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 16:24:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 16:24:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Karl Sangree" To: Subject: RE: Newbie Alert! Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 16:12:10 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Resent-Message-ID: <4lOI-D.A.7oB.6ilp7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You are correct, but it's sounds much funnier coming from Willie Wanka :-) Karl >>From: mr monk >>unless i'm mistaken, in the movie, will wonka is actuall quoting a turn of >>the century poet named arthur o'shaunnessy... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 17:08:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08018; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 16:41:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 16:41:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 16:28:20 -0400 Message-Id: <200109172028.QAA32466@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: duplicate postings? X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 66.9.67.98 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just in the last two hours, I see each looooper's delight posting... twice! just me? (I'm getting all my other lists fine...) /t -- I am the wombat. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 17:42:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10603; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 17:13:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 17:13:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: How emptying the Repeater? Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 23:00:22 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'm slowly learning the repeater, but one thing keeps annoying me: How do you empty the machine from loops? The only way I have discovered so far is to take out the power supply and restart the repeater. Not especially cool to do on stage in front of people. I want to use it for live improvisations, starting out every new song with an empty memory and build it up slowly. When a song is finished I have to quickly empty the memory to start a new one. BTW I tested that controller 14 trick someone mentioned on the list, and to me it sounds like a reel to reel tape machine slowing down or speeding up ("Percentage of Current Tempo"). I haven't bought myself any foot controller so I built some faders in Emagic Logic to send midi controller data to the Repeater. When I did that cntrl 14 test the 'peater was slaving to Logic by midi clock and the loops did always get back into timing up with the master, even after the most aggressive cntrl 14 "scratching". An amazing feature IMO. Regards Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 17:52:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11095; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 17:26:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 17:26:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006a01c13fbe$68393400$db934e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: Newbie Alert! Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 17:19:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <541_gC.A.LmC.femp7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And let's not forget the author of that great story (and so many other great works for both children and adults), Roald Dahl. >You are correct, but it's sounds much funnier coming from Willie Wanka :-) >Karl > >>>unless i'm mistaken, in the movie, will wonka is actuall quoting a turn of >>>the century poet named arthur o'shaunnessy... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 22:09:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA27472; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 21:46:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 21:46:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Peace Love Productions" To: Subject: FREE LOOPS! Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 20:36:19 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c13ff3$15055b80$426afc9e@peacelove> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey loop diggaz, Come and get 'em, 20 FREE acidized loops per month! No gimmicks and no pop-ups, just download and enjoy. Visit http://www.peaceloveproductions.com and join our mailing list if you want to receive a month to month update notification and newsletter. Shout outs to: http://www.flo-vibe.com FREE MIXES http://www.gravity24hr.com FREE MIXES http://www.looperman.com FREE LOOPS http://www.entropymusic.com FREE LOOPS http://www.loopers-delight.com FREE COMMUNITY Peace From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 22:45:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29887; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 22:18:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 22:18:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ejdrake@pop.mindspring.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 22:09:46 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ed Drake Subject: My vote for Repeater feature Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com loopers (especially Electrix), I know several people have mentioned this already (including Per Boysen earlier today), so I guess I'm just adding my vote but I'd really like to have one MIDI command that erases all of the tracks in a loop. It would be nice to do this with one move. I know you can select each loop and then hit undo but this is a bit clumsy live especially when you want to quickly start a new loop from scratch. Thanks! Ed From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 23:29:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31627; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 22:52:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 22:52:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.69.204.138] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: keeping the list alive Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 02:38:17 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Sep 2001 02:38:17.0709 (UTC) FILETIME=[F91821D0:01C13FEA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey gang....last night I posted a note about getting back to the subject of (positive and creative) looping...and, to paraphrase, "can we all loop along?". Today I rec'd 7 e-mails off list from various members echoing that sentiment and thanking me for my post. Well, thank you all, and especially you, Rick, who kind of prompted the whole thing. This is list is far too important to let it slip away from us. I, for one, really need and enjoy all of the input, ideas and concepts that regularly get tossed about here. ...and I was semi-serious about nominating Kim for some kind award. The Looper's Delight list is a fabulous and wonderful place. geez, a place (albeit a cyber-place) where creative people from all walks of life, all over this world, can get together and help each other....Wow! Max _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 23:37:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01289; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 23:15:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 23:15:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 22:04:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Todd Madson To: Subject: OT: Vocode the band! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <_uKcGD.A.lL.glrp7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I did a track "Pulse" at www.ampcast.com/aliensporebomb where the bass synth, drums, and rhythm guitars were all processed via the dynamic control of a vocoder, the only instrument conventionally processed was the lead guitar. Speaking of looping: with all the political situation I'm considering bringing my guitars, loopers and devices out to my driveway on an evening and loop into the night to see what I can do. Hopefully the neighbors will be able to deal with it. I think they will do fine. -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 00:35:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05074; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 00:13:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 00:13:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 21:00:01 -0800 Subject: Re: keeping the list alive From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 9/17/01 6:38 PM, max valentino at ekstasis1@hotmail.com wrote: > > Hey gang....last night I posted a note about getting back to the subject of > (positive and creative) looping...and, to paraphrase, "can we all loop > along?". > Today I rec'd 7 e-mails off list from various members echoing that sentiment > and thanking me for my post. Well, thank you all, and especially you, Rick, > who kind of prompted the whole thing. > This is list is far too important to let it slip away from us. I, for one, > really need and enjoy all of the input, ideas and concepts that regularly > get tossed about here. > ...and I was semi-serious about nominating Kim for some kind award. The > Looper's Delight list is a fabulous and wonderful place. geez, a place > (albeit a cyber-place) where creative people from all walks of life, all > over this world, can get together and help each other....Wow! > Max > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > < HERE HEAR!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 00:39:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA04914; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 00:08:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 00:08:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BA6C600.FD24759C@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 20:56:48 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Vocode the band! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I liked your tracks, but is it my imagination, or is there no song called "pulse" on your page. Reminds me of Todd Rundgren if he shut up. :) Mark Sottilaro Todd Madson wrote: > I did a track "Pulse" at www.ampcast.com/aliensporebomb where the > bass synth, drums, and rhythm guitars were all processed via the > dynamic control of a vocoder, the only instrument conventionally > processed was the lead guitar. > > Speaking of looping: with all the political situation I'm considering > bringing my guitars, loopers and devices out to my driveway on an > evening and loop into the night to see what I can do. > > Hopefully the neighbors will be able to deal with it. I think they > will do fine. > > -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 00:40:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05151; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 00:15:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 00:15:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BA6C7CC.A98E33FF@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 21:04:29 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: keeping the list alive References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I bet part of the real reason the traffic has been light on the list is that having your mortality shoved in your face makes you yern for the viseral. I for one, got home and walked along the beach in CA. I wouldn't sweat it. I'm sure the Looper's Delight will bounce back. I've been off list for long periods, but I always come back. max valentino wrote: > Hey gang....last night I posted a note about getting back to the subject of > (positive and creative) looping...and, to paraphrase, "can we all loop > along?". > Today I rec'd 7 e-mails off list from various members echoing that sentiment > and thanking me for my post. Well, thank you all, and especially you, Rick, > who kind of prompted the whole thing. > This is list is far too important to let it slip away from us. I, for one, > really need and enjoy all of the input, ideas and concepts that regularly > get tossed about here. > ...and I was semi-serious about nominating Kim for some kind award. The > Looper's Delight list is a fabulous and wonderful place. geez, a place > (albeit a cyber-place) where creative people from all walks of life, all > over this world, can get together and help each other....Wow! > Max > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 01:44:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA09064; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 01:19:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 01:19:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010918050620.76866.qmail@web12805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 22:06:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Alx Subject: Re: OT: Vocode the band! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Todd Madson wrote: > I did a track "Pulse" at > www.ampcast.com/aliensporebomb where the > bass synth, drums, and rhythm guitars were all > processed via the > dynamic control of a vocoder, the only instrument > conventionally > processed was the lead guitar. I have a track called "Ukert" at: http://www.mp3.com/Alex_Martinez in wich almost all the sounds except for the bass & drums (of course) are guitars, most of them processed with a Digitech "Talker" vocoder, put attention to the intro, all the rhythm stuff are guitars and Vocoder, many sounds through the entire song use a vocoder in different ways too, other songs on that page use it too but in a more discrete way. Best. Alex. __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 02:22:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA10761; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 01:54:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 01:54:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 22:23:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Living Daylights Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had the pleasure of running sound for the Seattle-based trio Living Daylights Saturday night. They headlined at the stage I was running at the Eugene Celebration, and did an amazing set. More on that later. First of all, I need to say it was wonderful to be involved in a community-wide celebration after this week's events. There was a lot of debate as to whether the celebration would actually happen this year, and a number of bands cancelled, including the opening-night headliners They Might Be Giants. There was a lot of schedule juggling, and a lot of uncertainty, but there was a lot of good will and tolerance among everyone involved, and a real sense that we all needed some good music to get us all through. It was a reminder of why I became a musician in the first place (well, that , and to meet girls). Anyway, Living Daylights are Jessica Lurie on tenor & alto saxes and flute, Arne Livingston on bass, and Dale Fanning on drums. Both Jessica and Arne use loopers, Jessica a DL-4 and Arne a JamMan. Arne has got to be one of the most masterful loopers that I've ever seen. He runs a relatively simple setup, a 4-string fretted bass (Ken Smith), into a tube preamp into a TC Electronics G-Force and the JamMan. He sends 2 signals to the house , one channel of bass, and one channel of the JamMan. He also sent the JamMan output to headphones Dale wore. Dale would wear one side of the headphones, and through the other ear he'd hear everything else through his monitor speaker. He said that they'd worked out this system after a lot of trial and effort, and this allows him to lock into the loops. They made it all look and sound totally effortless, Dale and Arne would set up a groove, and the next thing I knew, the bass line was looped, and Arne was soloing, comping, whatever, over the top of it. I know this isn't a particularly revolutionary use of looping, but they did it so well, and so totally musically. I should also point out that they only really used the loopers for about 1/3 of the set, the rest of time was the strait-up trio, and that they rocked in that context as well. Their latest CD "Electric Rosary" has Bill Frisell on it, and is quite nice, though a bit lower energy than live. If you get a chance to see them, and they do spend a lot of time on the road, don't miss it. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 04:22:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA19048; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 03:58:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 03:58:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 00:44:08 -0700 Subject: OT: peace petition From: e o To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1ZrgZB.A.ggE.Ztvp7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com very quick and easy peace petition: http://home.uchicago.edu/~dhpicker/petition From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 04:34:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA20704; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 04:11:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 04:11:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 00:58:36 -0700 Subject: OT peace petition From: e o To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-Uf-C.A.EqE.96vp7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com very quick and easy: http://home.uchicago.edu/~dhpicker/petition From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 10:45:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06790; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 10:17:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 10:17:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.193.125.73] From: "The Weg" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 14:03:18 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Sep 2001 14:03:19.0032 (UTC) FILETIME=[AB644F80:01C1404A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Unidentified subject! Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Loopers! Are there many Boss RC-20 users on this list? I bought an Echoplex first which I love but decided to get a second looping device wanting another Echoplex (someday) but unable to afford it I purchased the RC-20. I find it very usefull as a solo artist using it to setup new loops while another one is fading on the Echoplex. I use a Godin Multiac Nylon into a Roland GR-33. The GR-33 runs into the new Carvin Acoustic Amp and so does the straight signal from the gutar. I run the guitar signal from the GR-33 into a Mesa DC-5 and out of the recording jack back into the Carvin AC Amp. I use the RC-20 in the effects loop of the Carvin enabling me to loop two different guitar sounds plus the sounds of the GR-33. I run the Stereo out jack from the Carvin over to the Stereo PA where I also plug in a Roland Handsonic and a Mic run through a floor vocal processor. I run the Echoplex from the PA effect send and bring it back into channel one so I can loop everything. I sometimes feel there are not enough hours in the day to totally satisfy my need for this unique sound that I can create by looping instuments together. There is a strange sense of self power and control while looping that could be similar to the feeling a sculpter may get while creating a work of art. Sometimes I think it is so simple and beatiful that a child could do it but then I remember all the setup time ect.... I have enjoyed this list as a lurker for some time. I hope to be able to contribute more as time goes on. "No One wins the Human Race if they cheat, but we all can lose!" Weg _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 12:48:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15100; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 12:24:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 12:24:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BA77283.57C70DF0@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 09:12:52 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: per@boysen.se, Loopers list Subject: Re: SV: How emptying the Repeater? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, I'm not all that happy with the Repeater's MIDI control setup. For one thing, I bought the wrong controller, but that point is moot, as I couldn't have afforded the "right" one at this time. I mainly use the Digitech FS-300 for the basic functions, and for the rest, I'm using the front control panels. For me, having EVERY function accessible via MIDI is like having NO functions accessible via MIDI. The main thing I need to do is cue up a new loop and have it automatically go into record when my current loop is over. I can't do that, although Dave Torn seems to be able to. I think that feature was disabled in the final release. I also would like to be able to go back to an old loop and have it start as my current loop ends, and stay in synch. (it doesn't) I'm hoping this is part of the "Loop Point Assist" bug that will be addressed in the software update. Hurry up guys, I've got a gig on Oct. 13 and it sure would be nice to have a few bugs fixed by then! Mark Sottilaro Per Boysen wrote: > Thanks, got it now. But it seems to one of the few features that is not > accessible over midi. > > Per Boysen > > > Hey, > > > > it's pretty easy, with the loop selected, just press and hold the > > erase/undo, > > select the tracks you want to erase and press the erase/undo button again. > > > > Mark Sottilaro > > > > Per Boysen wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I'm slowly learning the repeater, but one thing keeps annoying me: > > > How do you empty the machine from loops? > > > > > > The only way I have discovered so far is to take out the power > > supply and > > > restart the repeater. Not especially cool to do on stage in > > front of people. > > > I want to use it for live improvisations, starting out every > > new song with > > > an empty memory and build it up slowly. When a song is finished > > I have to > > > quickly empty the memory to start a new one. > > > > > > BTW I tested that controller 14 trick someone mentioned on the > > list, and to > > > me it sounds like a reel to reel tape machine slowing down or > > speeding up > > > ("Percentage of Current Tempo"). I haven't bought myself any > > foot controller > > > so I built some faders in Emagic Logic to send midi controller > > data to the > > > Repeater. When I did that cntrl 14 test the 'peater was slaving > > to Logic by > > > midi clock and the loops did always get back into timing up > > with the master, > > > even after the most aggressive cntrl 14 "scratching". An amazing feature > > > IMO. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Per Boysen > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 12:51:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15099; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 12:24:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 12:24:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RC-20 Post Query Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 09:11:35 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey There-- I have also pondered adding an additional looper to the Echoplex, and wondered why Weg (and anyone else who cares to reply) would prefer the RC-20 to the Boomerang-- Wish the 'Rang was MIDI (not that the RC-20 is) Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 13:20:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16417; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 12:50:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 12:50:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000301c1405f$70c7d620$26125cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #234 Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 12:30:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed with a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #234 September 13, 2001. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Pete Namlook (Pete Kuhlmann), an ambient musician and the owner of FAX records. The feature CD at midnight was "Shades of Orion" by Pete Namlook and Tetue Inoue and released on the FAX label. The vinyl show starter is now a new feature of the show, a leftover from WDIY's Salute to Records. I also played the music of Jim Cole's Spectral Voices and Tom Heasley in support of their concert at the Gathering. Pete Namlook http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2001/focus01.html#sep PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Robert Fripp & The Heavenly Music No Pussyfooting (Antilles) Brian Eno Corporation * ARC Relay Radio Sputnik (DiN) Mollusk Evolution of the Accretions (Hypnos/Foundry) Snail's Brain Part 5 Gert Emmens Juno Asteroids (Quantum) eM Suspensions All the Stars Burning Bright (Hypnos/Foundry) Spectral Voices Celestial Tides Coalescence (Spectral Spiral) Tom Heasley Ground Zero * Where the Earth Meets the Sky (Hypnos) 12:00 am Namlook & Inoue Biotrip Shades of Orion (FAX) Namlook & Inoue Shades of Orion Shades of Orion (FAX) Namlook & Inoue Did You Ever Retire a Shades of Orion (FAX) Human... Namlook & Inoue Liquid Shade * Shades of Orion (FAX) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Pete Namlook. The feature CD at midnight will be "Fire of Ork II" on the FAX label with Geir Jenssen. I will play the music of Free System Projekt and Wave World. These two bands from the Netherlands will perform live on WDIY on October 11 and will perform at the next Gathering in Philadelphia. The Gathering http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/events.html Next week's vinyl show starter will be by Klaus Schulze. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, send email to: emusic-wdiy-subscribe@yahoogroups.com or go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 13:34:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18482; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 13:11:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 13:11:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001401c14063$319569a0$0301a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Om_Audio \(Clifford Novey\)" To: References: <3BA77283.57C70DF0@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: SV: How emptying the Repeater? Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 09:58:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It is my understanding that DT is using a Peavy 1600 midi controller or whatever it is called to control his Repeater. Lots of sliders and buttons. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: ; "Loopers list" Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 9:12 AM Subject: Re: SV: How emptying the Repeater? The main thing I need to do is cue up a new loop and have > it automatically go into record when my current loop is over. I can't do that, > although Dave Torn seems to be able to. I think that feature was disabled in > the final release From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 14:36:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22243; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 14:10:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 14:10:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Peace Love Productions" To: Subject: RE: SV: How emptying the Repeater? Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 13:00:39 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01c1407c$9806f640$4863fc9e@peacelove> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <001401c14063$319569a0$0301a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cliff, I forgot about that little Peavy 1600, those things are great!! Jason -----Original Message----- From: Om_Audio (Clifford Novey) [mailto:clifsound@mediaone.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 9:59 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SV: How emptying the Repeater? It is my understanding that DT is using a Peavy 1600 midi controller or whatever it is called to control his Repeater. Lots of sliders and buttons. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: ; "Loopers list" Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 9:12 AM Subject: Re: SV: How emptying the Repeater? The main thing I need to do is cue up a new loop and have > it automatically go into record when my current loop is over. I can't > do that, > although Dave Torn seems to be able to. I think that feature was > disabled in > the final release From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 15:28:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25417; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 15:02:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 15:02:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [4.54.58.85] From: "The Weg" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-20 Post Query Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 18:48:42 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Sep 2001 18:48:42.0550 (UTC) FILETIME=[89CDCD60:01C14072] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Gary, When I first noticed the RC-20 the thing that got me was the over 5 min. loop time. I thought wow I can play an entire piece and then solo over it.... I am fairly new to using and syncing midi devices but I've been looping since the late 70's but only with tape devices and in the studio. Now I would like to perform some solo and duet pieces I've written using looping for 70 to 90% of the performance. I've been able to play in my studio for hours but feel the pieces may be too long for the public (I love to indulge in some of the sounds...). I hope to refine my act this winter while completing the construction of the rest of the studio but it all takes time. I like the RC-20 for several reasons. 1. The loop length. 2. Multiple inputs allow CD,Mic and Inst. 3. I have two cheap Roland on/off pedals mounted to a thin wood plank which allow reverse and next loop location. I am able to record a guitar line, reverse it, add another guitar line so I now have a guitar line going both ways. 4. The size of the unit is relatively small compared to the Echoplex pedal or the Boomerang. 5. It stores 10 loops and 1 one-shot loop. I must admit I have not tried the Boomerang but was intrigued by the ad. I use too many pedals so floor space and loop length won out, but who knows what the future may bring. I like the idea of a repeater in the rack but I would have to free up some floor space before i got the rang. I tried to replace my Mesa Boogie with a Line 6 pod pro but was dissatisfied with the live sound when playing with a full band so I sold it and bought the Echoplex. I wanted to get back to my experimental roots. I originally got turned onto Crimson in 1974 by a classical guitar player which led me to Frippertronics. The two of us and a jazz piano player started a band called "The Velvet Brothers" using tape loops later adding a drum machine but that is another wild, weird story. Anyway, I have been wondering how the other guitarists on this list setup their guitar rig. I use a Fender USA Midi Stratocater with the full band. I put a fishman acoustic bridge in it to further add dimension to the guitar. For the solo act I tried using the SGX 2000 Express with the X-15 pedal that I have in the rack but I can never stray far from the Mesa. The SGX is not as warm or punchy as the mesa and not that far from the Line 6 sound when used live. I was using a Mackie 1202 to combine all my sounds before sending it to the PA, using both the RC and Plex in the effects loop but it seemed to get noisy sometimes so I pulled out the Mackie and plugged directly into the PA head instead (it's a 93 Carvin 400 watt 8 channel Stereo head with speakers and monitors). I now use the Plex on the PA head and the RC on the Carvin Ac. Guitar amp. I've just re-engineered it and the noise seems reduced but I still have to much equipment to carry. I want to eliminate the Mesa for an inline guitar processor. I like the Digitech G2 but the price for the unit with pedal is high for me right now, maybe after the studio walls and wiring are completed. What do others use???? Thanks & Peace to all, Weg From: "Gary Lehmann" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Subject: RC-20 Post Query Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 09:11:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [207.228.238.9] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBD70C0D60095400438E6CFE4EE09051D0; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 09:27:08 -0700 Received: (from looper@localhost)by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14522;Tue, 18 Sep 2001 12:11:27 -0400 >From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue, 18 Sep 2001 09:28:08 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 12:11:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey There-- I have also pondered adding an additional looper to the Echoplex, and wondered why Weg (and anyone else who cares to reply) would prefer the RC-20 to the Boomerang-- Wish the 'Rang was MIDI (not that the RC-20 is) Gary _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 17:29:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32566; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 16:59:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 16:59:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: , References: Subject: I'm a repeater. Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 13:46:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Sep 2001 20:46:32.0065 (UTC) FILETIME=[FF902F10:01C14082] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It just arrived. Hot damn. Now that I've had one in my hands and played around with the demo sequences, I can truly appreciate it's complexity, and musicality. The sound quality is excellent. It's built like a tank! (Of course, that doesn't mean I'm not going to bitch and moan when I get it home and plug it into a kitchen sink of midi and audio technology spanning over a decade) Props to the electrix crew - more than ever, the makers of musical instruments are defining the directions and possibilities of musical exploration. Damn, I'm feeling dizzy. I'd be take the rest of the day off :> bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 18:21:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03223; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 17:49:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 17:49:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010918173108.007e6b70@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 17:31:08 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:03 PM 9/18/01, Weg wrote: > Are there many Boss RC-20 users on this list? I'm one. I do a lot of non-synchronous stuff, so rather than one deep looper, my setup includes (in ascending loop length order) a Korg SDD-1000, a DOD DFX94, an Akai Headrush and the RC-20. Even though the Korg can only do two seconds, I still use it very much for 'cloud loops' and speed-changed textures; it has Aux 2 all to itself, and goes straight into an Electrix Filter Queen for post-processing, then back to its own channel on the board. The other three loopers share Aux 1 via an A/B/C Box, and each come back to their own channels, so I can get them all happening simultaneously. (I don't use the DFX94 very much, so I usually keep the fader down and it functions as the muted dry we were discussing a few months back in the 'RC-20: No Wet/Dry Mix' thread.) I've had my peeves regarding a few of the RC-20's faults (sample rate, no wet/dry mix control), but it has definitely found its niche in my setup. Like Weg, I like the fact that its physical size is well-suited to a crowded pedalboard. The 5 1/2 minute capacity is great. The reverse function get used a lot too. As far as the 'Rang goes, I had tried an original model and wasn't all that impressed with the sample rate (although I understand that the new Plus upgraded model is waaaay better in that department.) And $250 for the RC-20 vs. $450+ for the 'Rang makes a considerable difference, too. Coincidentally, you know that little coupon they were sticking on the RC-20 boxes for a free set of Elixirs? I finally got around to sending it in a month or so ago, and just today a package arrived from Roland that I opened while checking my e-mail a few minutes ago. In addition to the free strings, they sent some other stuff; a string winder, a bottle of polish, a Boss promotional cd, a sticker, a soft cloth for wiping guitar finishes, and a copy of the October Guitar One magazine. Oh boy, free stuff! -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 18:32:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04874; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 18:04:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 18:04:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: SV: How emptying the Repeater? Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 14:55:21 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3BA77283.57C70DF0@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm sure you're aware of this Mark, but you can certainly cue up loops from the front panel as well as the floor. You just can't do it from the floor with the current TRS setup. If you want that kind of foot control you need to use MIDI and have separate buttons for play (CC#85) and stop (CC#87). The play/stop button (CC#88) makes cueing a loop impossible because you can't press play a second time and have it remain in play mode. Also, I haven't tried this, but does 'tempo lock' (CC#104) work for maintaining sync when switching to a different loop? For example, when you're playing a loop, lock the tempo, scroll to the next desired loop and press play again to cue the selected loop. That should do it. I will see how this works today. My guess is that the two loops should be within 20 bpm to eliminate any artifacts or unusual coloring - but it wouldn't be essential for it to still work. BTW, David Torn is using the same OS as the rest of us (or so it is said). -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 9:13 AM To: per@boysen.se; Loopers list Subject: Re: SV: How emptying the Repeater? Yeah, I'm not all that happy with the Repeater's MIDI control setup. For one thing, I bought the wrong controller, but that point is moot, as I couldn't have afforded the "right" one at this time. I mainly use the Digitech FS-300 for the basic functions, and for the rest, I'm using the front control panels. For me, having EVERY function accessible via MIDI is like having NO functions accessible via MIDI. The main thing I need to do is cue up a new loop and have it automatically go into record when my current loop is over. I can't do that, although Dave Torn seems to be able to. I think that feature was disabled in the final release. I also would like to be able to go back to an old loop and have it start as my current loop ends, and stay in synch. (it doesn't) I'm hoping this is part of the "Loop Point Assist" bug that will be addressed in the software update. Hurry up guys, I've got a gig on Oct. 13 and it sure would be nice to have a few bugs fixed by then! Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 19:11:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06910; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 18:43:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 18:43:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BA7CA7F.6A61A643@altruistmusic.com> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 15:28:16 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Stepping back References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello people, Like a lot of us, I'm presently trying to find the best ways of dealing with everything going on right now, and trying to get some sort of perspective on things. For me personally, that means that for the time being, at least, I'll be taking my leave of the list. I've been encouraged by the recent and abundant calls for good will on the list, and I trust things are well on their way to improving. In any event, it's been an interesting five years, no doubt about it. Those so inclined to keep in touch with me or my activities, please feel free to do so. All the best, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 19:28:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08745; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 18:59:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 18:59:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: Controlling Repeater by MIDI... a BUG? Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 00:43:57 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-reply-to: <000a01c1407c$9806f640$4863fc9e@peacelove> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Over here the Repeater i have borrowed shows some strange behavior when controlled by midi. Please correct me if have got it all wrong, but this is what happens. I have recorded two loops and now starting the first one by sending midi cc85/127 (=play). Rptr starts playing fine. Then I send cc96/127 (=Loop Select Up), which makes the next loop start flashing in the display. Then I send another "play" as cc85/127 and the Repeater goes to the next loop, after finishing the first one. So far everything is fine. Problems appear when I want to record at the same time I'm lining up "next loop". I'm sending cc86/127 and Repeater enters record mode, as it should. But now the "Loop Select Up" and "Loop Select Down" midi commands seem to have been disabled by the record mode. Sadly this is holding me back from buying a Repeater. Like Mark S. I hope it will be fixed with a software upgrade. I really love the sound you can get with the Repeater when taking out all four tracks separately to a mixer and adding reverb etc. And one really cool trick I found out is setting a track to some pitch change and then sending the sound back from the mixer to be overdubbed on that same Repeater track. For each loop it will then add a harmony to the evolving texture. Regards Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 20:07:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11036; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 19:37:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 19:37:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BA7D7B6.668CAC4F@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 16:24:39 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SV: How emptying the Repeater? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Uh, so wait... is what you are telling me, you CAN cue up a loop and have it go into RECORD? I tried Dave Torn's suggestions (via the front panel) and it did not function as he described. Is this something that is accessable via midi only? I can cue loops to play, and then put them into record, but I was hoping I could just enter the new loop recording. Am I missing something? Mark Tim Goodwin wrote: > I'm sure you're aware of this Mark, but you can certainly cue up loops from > the front panel as well as the floor. You just can't do it from the floor > with the current TRS setup. If you want that kind of foot control you need > to use MIDI and have separate buttons for play (CC#85) and stop (CC#87). > The play/stop button (CC#88) makes cueing a loop impossible because you > can't press play a second time and have it remain in play mode. Also, I > haven't tried this, but does 'tempo lock' (CC#104) work for maintaining sync > when switching to a different loop? > > For example, when you're playing a loop, lock the tempo, scroll to the next > desired loop and press play again to cue the selected loop. That should do > it. I will see how this works today. My guess is that the two loops should > be within 20 bpm to eliminate any artifacts or unusual coloring - but it > wouldn't be essential for it to still work. > > BTW, David Torn is using the same OS as the rest of us (or so it is said). > > -- > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 9:13 AM > To: per@boysen.se; Loopers list > Subject: Re: SV: How emptying the Repeater? > > Yeah, I'm not all that happy with the Repeater's MIDI control setup. For > one > thing, I bought the wrong controller, but that point is moot, as I couldn't > have afforded the "right" one at this time. I mainly use the Digitech > FS-300 > for the basic functions, and for the rest, I'm using the front control > panels. > For me, having EVERY function accessible via MIDI is like having NO > functions > accessible via MIDI. The main thing I need to do is cue up a new loop and > have > it automatically go into record when my current loop is over. I can't do > that, > although Dave Torn seems to be able to. I think that feature was disabled > in > the final release. I also would like to be able to go back to an old loop > and > have it start as my current loop ends, and stay in synch. (it doesn't) I'm > hoping this is part of the "Loop Point Assist" bug that will be addressed in > the software update. > > Hurry up guys, I've got a gig on Oct. 13 and it sure would be nice to have a > few bugs fixed by then! > > Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 20:34:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14329; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 20:10:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 20:10:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BA7DEDD.72FE30AF@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 16:55:09 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers Subject: Re: Controlling Repeater by MIDI... a BUG? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey, Yeah, I think if I knew about these "features" before purchasing the Repeater, I would have probably have gone with an echoplex. I *REALLY* need a looper that's responsive in a live situation. It's probably too late to exchange it, so here I am. I does do some really amazing stuff, and is great in a studio environment. As a guitarist, it often feels awkward to use. In my opinion, if you've got to do two steps to access a function (live), it's not accessible. Could be that I'm expecting it to behave like my JamMan, and it plain and simply does not. Perhaps I'll start finding new ways to loop with this baby, and grow used to it. Electrix folk seem to have disappeared from this list. They've gone silent from their forum as well. It's a bit frustrating, but expected. I didn't think that level of attention could go on too long. Going into a new loop while in record doesn't seem like a lot to ask (it does this on the first loop, eh?), probably something that could be fixed via software, but I'm totally speculating as Electrix has made no mention of future features, only that it intends to fix the MIDI synch and Loop Point Assist bugs. Oh, and by the way, if I'm wrong about cueing a new loop and going into record, can someone (if there's anyone still on this list) explain it to me sloooooooly? Dave Torn mentioned it was easily done, but upon following his instructions it did not work at all. Thanks, Mark Sottilaro > > > Sadly this is holding me back from buying a Repeater. Like Mark S. I hope it > will be fixed with a software upgrade. I really love the sound you can get > with the Repeater when taking out all four tracks separately to a mixer and > adding reverb etc. And one really cool trick I found out is setting a track > to some pitch change and then sending the sound back from the mixer to be > overdubbed on that same Repeater track. For each loop it will then add a > harmony to the evolving texture. > > Regards > > Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 19 01:05:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29114; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 00:40:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 00:40:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010917223930.02118548@pop.mindspring.com> X-Files: The truth is out there. Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 21:33:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: OT: PMC10 Editor update Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <0IlMe.A.d-G.G6Bq7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just a short note to announce that Raymond 2.3 is now available at http://sean_.home.mindspring.com/pmc/index.html Raymond is a Windows editor for the Digitech PMC10 MIDI footcontroller. sean From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 19 02:02:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA32481; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 01:31:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 01:31:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3BA7DEDD.72FE30AF@zerocrossing.net> References: <3BA7DEDD.72FE30AF@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 01:17:02 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett L Maraldo Subject: Re: Controlling Repeater by MIDI... a BUG? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >hey, >Could be that I'm expecting it to behave like my JamMan, and it plain and >simply does not. Perhaps I'll start finding new ways to loop with this baby, >and grow used to it. Electrix folk seem to have disappeared from this list. >They've gone silent from their forum as well. It's a bit frustrating, but >expected. I didn't think that level of attention could go on too long. i stated with a tape echoplex back in the 'good old days' and migrated to a jamman which i used only in a live situation because, well, it was meant for that. then i sold the jamman to buy a EDP but i found out about the RPT and held off. I am glad I did! The RPT, despite it's bugs, is DGF amazing! The thing oozes with the passion of the people that envisioned, designed and manufactured it. can't you tell?? they'll get it right. give them a chance. this thing rocks. relax into it. have some fun with it and I am sure a lot of the problems will be fixed with the next OS. what is damon and the electrix gang supposed to do to make you happy??? just because they don't post for a few days doesn't mean they are hiding something. give them a break. if it wasn't for them you'd be using some old clunky piece of archaic (but granted, functional) hardware. with the Repeater, we have the future to look forward to. well, electrix, thats the best i can do for you. it's up to you now. you really need to get that OS update working very very very well and out asap. plexus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 19 02:02:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA32500; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 01:33:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 01:33:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3BA7DEDD.72FE30AF@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 01:19:35 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett L Maraldo Subject: Re: Controlling Repeater by MIDI... a BUG? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com correction: my second paragraph should read '...GDF amazing...' >:=+ >>hey, >>Could be that I'm expecting it to behave like my JamMan, and it plain and >>simply does not. Perhaps I'll start finding new ways to loop with this baby, >>and grow used to it. Electrix folk seem to have disappeared from this list. >>They've gone silent from their forum as well. It's a bit frustrating, but >>expected. I didn't think that level of attention could go on too long. > >i stated with a tape echoplex back in the 'good old days' and >migrated to a jamman which i used only in a live situation because, >well, it was meant for that. then i sold the jamman to buy a EDP but >i found out about the RPT and held off. I am glad I did! > >The RPT, despite it's bugs, is DGF amazing! The thing oozes with the >passion of the people that envisioned, designed and manufactured it. >can't you tell?? > >they'll get it right. give them a chance. this thing rocks. relax >into it. have some fun with it and I am sure a lot of the problems >will be fixed with the next OS. > >what is damon and the electrix gang supposed to do to make you >happy??? just because they don't post for a few days doesn't mean >they are hiding something. give them a break. if it wasn't for them >you'd be using some old clunky piece of archaic (but granted, >functional) hardware. > >with the Repeater, we have the future to look forward to. > >well, electrix, thats the best i can do for you. it's up to you now. >you really need to get that OS update working very very very well >and out asap. > >plexus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 19 02:49:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02956; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 02:18:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 02:18:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: PMC10 Editor update Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 01:03:20 -0500 Message-ID: <001b01c140d0$c8acd630$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010917223930.02118548@pop.mindspring.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Sean, I'll take a look at it hopefully soon. Steve > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Echevarria [mailto:sean_@mindspring.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 11:33 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: OT: PMC10 Editor update > > > Just a short note to announce that Raymond 2.3 is now available at > http://sean_.home.mindspring.com/pmc/index.html > > Raymond is a Windows editor for the Digitech PMC10 MIDI > footcontroller. > > sean > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 19 03:13:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03975; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 02:46:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 02:46:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.65.178.224] From: "Barry M" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Controlling Repeater by MIDI... a BUG? Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 06:30:45 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Sep 2001 06:30:45.0811 (UTC) FILETIME=[9D395830:01C140D4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ummm...manual....page 24.... >Oh, and by the way, if I'm wrong about cueing a new loop and going into >record, >can someone (if there's anyone still on this list) explain it to me >sloooooooly? Dave Torn mentioned it was easily done, but upon following >his >instructions it did not work at all. > >Thanks, > >Mark Sottilaro > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 19 04:27:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA07795; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 03:57:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 03:57:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010919002546.0457bec8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 00:41:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Controlling Repeater by MIDI... a BUG? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <8KsOr.A.UxB.ayEq7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:30 PM 9/18/2001, Barry M wrote: ummm...manual....page 24.... ummm...no. manual: "Pressing Record when a loop is cued will ***immediately*** begin recording to the new loop location" (my empahsis) Mark: "The main thing I need to do is cue up a new loop and have it automatically go into record ****when my current loop is over.****" (my empahsis again) notice the difference? I think poor Mark has asked this question about Repeater about nine times and people keep saying it can be done. Well, Mark, it doesn't work on my Repeater either, and the manual also doesn't say it does what you want. When I press record it switches loops immediately and starts recording, same as you experience. it does not wait for the current loop to finish. For you echoplex familiar people, this is the same as using the SwitchQuant function so that loops switch at the end of the current loop, and either having autorecord on so that it is automatically recording when you get to the new loop, or pressing record during the waiting period so that you can choose to go into record when the loop switches. Very handy when you are doing more structured music and you want things to be switching very precisely on the beat while you are simultaneously playing live. If I remember right, does the jamman do something like this too? kim >>Oh, and by the way, if I'm wrong about cueing a new loop and going into >>record, >>can someone (if there's anyone still on this list) explain it to me >>sloooooooly? Dave Torn mentioned it was easily done, but upon following his >>instructions it did not work at all. >> >>Thanks, >> >>Mark Sottilaro > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 19 05:34:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA12356; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 05:04:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 05:04:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005401c140e8$24562420$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <3BA7DEDD.72FE30AF@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Time Warp - a Diagnosis Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 09:50:30 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <69Y7GD.A.joC.bxFq7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Frankly today is the first day I've been able to think clearly; however, I think I've figured out the time/date difference I'm seeing on the list's messages. I have the folder for Looper's Delight sorted by date received, latest at the beginning. The problem shows itself with "Controlling Repeater by MIDI... a BUG?", as follows: Kim Flint 9-19-01 9.34 Barry M 9-19-01 8.25 Brett L Maraldo 9-19-01 7.03 Brett L Maraldo 9-19-01 7.00 Per Boysen 9-19-01 2.47 Mark Sottilaro 9-19-01 1.48 While this order is shown in the order received, it's Per Boysen's message that begins the thread. Since I synchronize my PC's clock to the US Naval Observatory's Atomic Clock every day, I'm fairly sure it's not me that has a time-setting problem. If you need something software-wise for this it's available for free; just go to http://download.cnet.com and do a search in either PC or Mac areas for "Atomic Clock". Peas, Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.live365.com/stations/218194 * EarthLight Online / Live! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 19 11:09:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31251; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 10:52:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 10:52:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010919143822.81318.qmail@web12006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 07:38:22 -0700 (PDT) From: philip raath Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #550 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200109181929.PAA26374@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com gary wrote: > Wish the 'Rang was MIDI (not that the RC-20 is) many of us do! and plans for that in texas?? just recieved a used dod d12 from fellow listmember eric zang, and i'm having a fucking great time with it. all my dreams of running one delay unit into another are quickly coming true, and the possibilities are infinite. the LFO on the d12 is quite nice. so right now i'm running through a dd5 into the rang, then through the aux on the mixer to the d12, which returns on it's own channel. honestly, i don't even wish that i could afford a 'peater or a 'plex, cause the intellectual stimulation that this offers me is much more creative and satisfying than what i might do otherwise. not dissing the 'peater or the 'plex, just saying that for my state of mind, that level of functionality and options would probably limit my creativity. here i have to create my own functionality, and that includes fighting with a certain lack of functionality. back to the limits are good thing, basically. however, if anyone is giving out 'peaters or 'plexes for christmas, i've been a very good little boy. thanks again eric, phil ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 19 11:15:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00743; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 11:11:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 11:11:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010918121534.02f5f200@pop1.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 12:18:24 -0400 To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: Re: SV: How emptying the Repeater? In-Reply-To: <3BA77283.57C70DF0@zerocrossing.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <2mZQ2B.A.fJ.dULq7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:12 PM 9/18/2001, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >Hurry up guys, I've got a gig on Oct. 13 and it sure would be nice to have a >few bugs fixed by then! advice: proceed on the assumption that what you will be using on at your gig is what you have now. otherwise you take a big risk in being very pissed off. i'm always leery of companies that don't give firm release dates. it makes me question their project management abilities which are generally the core of larger management problems. (hint hint) plexus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 19 11:53:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02429; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 11:49:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 11:49:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BA8BDF8.9371B952@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 08:47:05 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Controlling Repeater by MIDI... a BUG? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7rOX9D.A.Uj.v2Lq7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ummmm.... manual.... page 24... "Pressing RECORD when a loop is cued will immediaetly begin recording to the new loop location" That's exactally what I DON'T want. I want it not to happen immediately, I want the loop I'm in to finish and then have it start the new loop in record. Am I making sense? Mark Barry M wrote: > ummm...manual....page 24.... > >Oh, and by the way, if I'm wrong about cueing a new loop and going into > >record, > >can someone (if there's anyone still on this list) explain it to me > >sloooooooly? Dave Torn mentioned it was easily done, but upon following > >his > >instructions it did not work at all. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Mark Sottilaro > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 19 12:18:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04571; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 12:13:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 12:13:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BA8C41B.94A370DF@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 09:13:15 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Controlling Repeater by MIDI... a BUG? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010919002546.0457bec8@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2bkfz.A.pGB.WPMq7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim Flint wrote: When I press record it switches loops > immediately and starts recording, same as you experience. it does not wait > for the current loop to finish...... > If I > remember right, does the jamman do something like this too? > > kim It sure does Kim, it sure does. The only reason I've asked 9 times (my how time flies!) is because people keep coming forward and saying, "sure it does it, it's easy." Well, it doesn't and currently Electix has made no mention if it will ever be a feature. It doesn't seem like a big deal, but I really have no idea what it takes. My programming skills end with a little Java Script and Lingo. My C++ skills started going downhill after "print "Hello World"" If you need animation in AfterEffects or Flash, I'm your man, but don't ask for much programming. I sure do like the fact that guys like Kim and Matthias exist. I sure am. I've also discovered that my workaround goes out the window when you switch between loops while in MIDI synch mode. If you're going to cue up an old loop to play, you had better make sure you're in "user" synch mode. One positive thing is that with all the extra steps that need to happen to make it function like I want it to, I'm in no danger of over playing as I often seem to. Keeps it nice and minimal. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 19 12:30:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05101; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 12:26:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 12:26:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: RC-20 Post Query / looping setup Reply-To: A.Willers@t-online.de From: A.Willers@t-online.de (A.Willers) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 18:24:52 +0000 X-Mailer: Musashi 3.2.3-es Message-ID: <15jk9H-1ZEiFEC@fwd00.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 520012547034-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Everybody, I recently got back on the list after just taking care about my guitar sounds for a year or so. Can you imagine how glad I was that I heard about the RPT just two weeks ago? No frustrating waiting-for-Godot and first-hand info by people in the know....! I loop with an EDP and an old Digitech PDS 8000 (for atmospheres and pitch- shifted loops). I have thrown all my rackmounted pre- and poweramps over the cliff in favour of vintage single-channel amps; no effect loops, no nothing. Instead I found a really great technician here in Germany that modified all my digital equipment (on the analog side of AD/DA) in such a way that I can set up like this: guitar -> distortion box -> t.c.g-force -> left: EDP -> '62 Bassman amp -> right: PDS 8K -> '60 Gibson amp The mod makes all of the effects sound so clean that I can run them before the two amps that are totally unaltered. The difference in the Oberheim and even the t.c. is incredible, in fact a lot of studio people are haviung their t.c. finalisers modified by this guy. I have never had a tone that is so precise and clean yet warm and responsive than with this setup. Important elements in the amps seem to be NOS tubes, those old Jensen AlNiCo speakers and the output trannies. I really feel like having moved from playing upright piano to grand piano. I just haven't found a stompbox yet that gives me the nice pallette of distortion sounds like that old TriAxis preamp.... Sincerely, Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 19 12:36:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05450; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 12:32:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 12:32:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB88F@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: dt harmony-central repeater review Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 12:28:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C14128.0F858370" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14128.0F858370 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" howdy, for what it's worth . . . mr torn has reviewed the repeater on harmony-central. i don't remember him really giving much of his take on it on this list. in any event, i think it gives a slightly different slant on the box. here's the link, it's (as of right now) the first review on the page. http://harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Electrix/Repeater-01.html stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14128.0F858370 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable dt harmony-central repeater review

howdy,

for what it's worth . . .

mr torn has reviewed the repeater on harmony-central. = i don't remember him really giving much of his take on it on this list. =

in any event, i think it gives a slightly different = slant on the box.

here's the link, it's (as of right now) the first = review on the page.

http://harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Electrix/Repea= ter-01.html


stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C14128.0F858370-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 19 15:14:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16178; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 15:08:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 15:08:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010919164351.11477.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 09:43:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Subject: Re: OT: PMC10 Editor update To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010917223930.02118548@pop.mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sean, Thanks so much for maintaining and upgrading Raymond! I don't have a programming pad for my PMC10 (anyone have a spare to sell?), so Raymond is my only recourse. Keep up the great work! stephen --- Sean Echevarria wrote: > Just a short note to announce that Raymond 2.3 is > now available at > http://sean_.home.mindspring.com/pmc/index.html > > Raymond is a Windows editor for the Digitech PMC10 > MIDI footcontroller. > > sean > ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 19 15:16:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16341; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 15:11:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 15:11:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <171.11d45b7.28da4776@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 15:09:42 EDT Subject: repeater reviews To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_171.11d45b7.28da4776_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_171.11d45b7.28da4776_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit several reviews including one by d.t. over on harmony-central regarding the repeater.....fwiw.....:)m --part1_171.11d45b7.28da4776_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit several reviews including one by d.t. over on harmony-central regarding the repeater.....fwiw.....:)m --part1_171.11d45b7.28da4776_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 19 18:07:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26554; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 18:02:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 18:02:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BA9159E.DDEBCBA5@pathcom.com> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 18:01:03 -0400 From: hutton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: dt harmony-central repeater review References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB88F@migarexch01.maritz.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------4D88970662379822A4CE2CAA" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------4D88970662379822A4CE2CAA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the imfo. ........ Very insightful! "Liebig, Steuart A." wrote: > > > howdy, > > for what it's worth . . . > > mr torn has reviewed the repeater on harmony-central. i don't remember > him really giving much of his take on it on this list. > > in any event, i think it gives a slightly different slant on the box. > > here's the link, it's (as of right now) the first review on the page. > > http://harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Electrix/Repeater-01.html > > stig --------------4D88970662379822A4CE2CAA Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the imfo.  ........ Very insightful!

"Liebig, Steuart A." wrote:

 

howdy,

for what it's worth . . .

mr torn has reviewed the repeater on harmony-central. i don't remember him really giving much of his take on it on this list.

in any event, i think it gives a slightly different slant on the box.

here's the link, it's (as of right now) the first review on the page.

http://harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Electrix/Repeater-01.html

stig

--------------4D88970662379822A4CE2CAA-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 19 18:44:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28641; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 18:40:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 18:40:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 15:38:51 -0800 Subject: Re: dt harmony-central repeater review From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3BA9159E.DDEBCBA5@pathcom.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3083758731_102142_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3083758731_102142_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit yeah, it is but isnt this a conflict of interest goin on here...(just askin)? stanner on 9/19/01 2:01 PM, hutton at hutton@pathcom.com wrote: Thanks for the imfo. ........ Very insightful! "Liebig, Steuart A." wrote: howdy, for what it's worth . . . mr torn has reviewed the repeater on harmony-central. i don't remember him really giving much of his take on it on this list. in any event, i think it gives a slightly different slant on the box. here's the link, it's (as of right now) the first review on the page. http://harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Electrix/Repeater-01.html stig --MS_Mac_OE_3083758731_102142_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: dt harmony-central repeater review yeah, it is but isnt this a conflict of interest goin on here...(just askin= )?
stanner

on 9/19/01 2:01 PM, hutton at hutton@pathcom.com wrote:

Thanks for the imfo.  ........ Very insightful!

"Liebig, Steuart A." wrote:


howdy,

for what it's worth . . .

mr torn has reviewed the repeater on harmony-central. i don'= t remember him really giving much of his take on it on this list.
in any event, i think it gives a slightly different slant on= the box.

here's the link, it's (as of right now) the first review on = the page.

http://harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Electrix/Repeater-01= .html

stig


--MS_Mac_OE_3083758731_102142_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 19 18:57:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29206; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 18:53:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 18:53:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB89D@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: dt harmony-central repeater review Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 18:51:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1415D.90936FB0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1415D.90936FB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" i don't know about that, i just forwarded the info and didn't give it much thought. do you mean cause he beta-tested it? i guess you could ask kim if dt had any input into the edp and whether or not a review of his would be considered a conflict (not trying to be weird, just wondering out loud) . . . i don't know the niceties of this. i just thought it was interesting from the slant of someone who used a lot of the stuff that you guys do, and that he'd had the repeater longer . . . so. if someone's burned at me for forwarding the link. sorry. sl -----Original Message----- From: Stan Card [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 4:39 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: dt harmony-central repeater review yeah, it is but isnt this a conflict of interest goin on here...(just askin)? stanner on 9/19/01 2:01 PM, hutton at hutton@pathcom.com wrote: Thanks for the imfo. ........ Very insightful! "Liebig, Steuart A." wrote: howdy, for what it's worth . . . mr torn has reviewed the repeater on harmony-central. i don't remember him really giving much of his take on it on this list. in any event, i think it gives a slightly different slant on the box. here's the link, it's (as of right now) the first review on the page. http://harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Electrix/Repeater-01.html stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1415D.90936FB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Re: dt harmony-central repeater review
i don't know about that, i just forwarded the info and didn't give it much thought.
 
do you mean cause he beta-tested it? i guess you could ask kim if dt had any input into the edp and whether or not a review of his would be considered a conflict (not trying to be weird, just wondering out loud) . . . i don't know the niceties of this.
 
i just thought it was interesting from the slant of someone who used a lot of the stuff that you guys do, and that he'd had the repeater longer . . .
 
so. if someone's burned at me for forwarding the link. sorry.
 
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-----Original Message-----
From: Stan Card [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 4:39 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: dt harmony-central repeater review

yeah, it is but isnt this a conflict of interest goin on here...(just askin)?
stanner

on 9/19/01 2:01 PM, hutton at hutton@pathcom.com wrote:

Thanks for the imfo.  ........ Very insightful!

"Liebig, Steuart A." wrote:


howdy,

for what it's worth . . .

mr torn has reviewed the repeater on harmony-central. i don't remember him really giving much of his take on it on this list.

in any event, i think it gives a slightly different slant on the box.

here's the link, it's (as of right now) the first review on the page.

http://harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Electrix/Repeater-01.html

stig


------_=_NextPart_001_01C1415D.90936FB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 19 19:26:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31480; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 19:20:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 19:20:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BA9278A.57E14A44@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 16:17:30 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: dt harmony-central repeater review References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't really think so. I think we can all agree that Dave is a pretty good guy, and even though he's endorsing this product, I honestly don't think he would if he really didn't use it. Also, I think he didn't bother restating negative points on the Repeater, as others had already. I found it interesting that either reviews were glowing, or trashing. I submitted my own review that I think is somewhere in the middle. I think if I knew that the Repeater would remain the way it is now FOREVER, I would probably have returned it, as I really think the MIDI bugs are inexcusable. 10 months beta testing and no one tried to synch a loop via midi? I know Dave must have signed a non disclosure agreement with Electrix, which is why we did not here much from him during the development process. Electrix has made claims that a bug fix is due "soon" Perhaps they knew of the MIDI bug and the Loop Point Assist bug, but felt another month of delay would be out of the question. 99.9% of what I do with my looper is based on decent MIDI synch, so it's a VERY big deal to me. People like DJs or freeform sound collage artists, might not care at all about these bugs, but I'm confident that Electrix will make the Repeater behave the way it was advertised. Mark Sottilaro Stan Card wrote: > yeah, it is but isnt this a conflict of interest goin on here...(just > askin)? > stanner > > on 9/19/01 2:01 PM, hutton at hutton@pathcom.com wrote: > > > Thanks for the imfo. ........ Very insightful! > > "Liebig, Steuart A." wrote: > > > > howdy, > > for what it's worth . . . > > mr torn has reviewed the repeater on > harmony-central. i don't remember him really > giving much of his take on it on this list. > > in any event, i think it gives a slightly > different slant on the box. > > here's the link, it's (as of right now) the first > review on the page. > > > ttp://harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Electrix/Repeater-01.html > > stig > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 19 21:12:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05469; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 21:08:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 21:08:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BA94119.23134750@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 18:06:26 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater: Going into a cued loop while recording References: <001701c139f6$d2a855f0$6501a8c0@stevespc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Repeater owners, In case you read Dave Torns post about being able to cue up a new loop in record mode, I just got a nice email from him explaining he misunderstood my question, and in fact the current Repeater OS does not support this. OK, I feel less stupid now. I sure would like it to do this though, I sure would. Going into overdub upon loop end would be nice too, but I'll take what I can get. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 19 22:53:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11066; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 22:48:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 22:48:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Loopers in Stock in Sherman Oaks Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 19:47:50 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB88F@migarexch01.maritz.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Howdy-- I was sworn not to spend any money, but I did go to the Sherman Oaks Guitar Center today--played all the expensive acoustics (had to tune 'em up from Eb) and ascertained that they had 1 Repeater in stock and 2 RC-20s--also an EDP! And so my message of hope today is--looping has arrived in a big way! And everyone who is reading this (wonder how many folks are filtering me?) is part of the party! That being said, I haven't looped in days. I'm moving back to San Diego from here next month, so I'll have more room and privacy to make mah kahnd of nois . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 12:27:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21491; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 12:21:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 12:21:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 09:17:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: MoFx part 1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi all, recently acquired an electrix mofx off ebay. right now its routed before the jamman, but it's getting midi sync from the jamman. this is working out cool because as soon as i close a loop on the jammie, the mofx is getting a tempo to sync to. i do a lot of ambient soundbeds with the jamman, and knowing the tempo of them, or when the loop is coming around again has always been a bit of a problem unless a drum machine was hooked up. not a problem now, since i can get a tempo off the speed of the delay or tremelo from the mofx. plus, if i want to open up the jamman for overdubs, i can add in synched delays, flange or tremeloes. ...me like. i was wondering if any of you who have a mofx notice a sound quality change when the delay is engaged. it seems very subtle, but a noticeable change happens to the 'dry' signal when you engage the delay (right now the mofx is set for 'thru' since i'm running into it direct). it even seems to change when the delay 'mix' knob is all the way down. anybody else notice this with their units? best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 12:32:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22391; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 12:28:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 12:28:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 09:24:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: MoFx part 2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com me again, i am currently using a Rolls MidiWizard to control my jamman. and i (finally) got the pedal programmed so the controlling switches are laid out how i want them, rather than dancing all over the place. thanks to luca for pointers on that from a few months ago... now, i'd like to control the mofx from the same pedal board. on the Rolls, i can map program changes to different channels, but the mofx seems to implement a lot of 0-63=off and 64-127=on type commands on specific control numbers. The Rolls doesn't seem to be sophisticated enough to do this (am i correct here?). yep, kim, you're right....i need a better midi pedal....but....this is what i gots for the moment. so, my question is: which currently manufactured midi pedal will allow me to have switches that will turn parameters of the mofx (or other units....like Repeater, perhaps) on and off with these controller commands. I won't be searching for a pmc-10. Will the Yamaha MFC-10 do this? I'm pretty sure the Rocktron All Access will, but that one seems the priciest of the bunch. Anybody have a specific midi pedal hooked up to a MoFx? best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 12:39:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22611; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 12:32:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 12:32:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 09:28:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: MoFx part 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com once more, looking for a bit of routing flexibility with my current setup. can anybody point me in the right direction for some documentation on how to use a patchbay for splitting/combining signals? or...does anybody have a url for a single space rackmount mixer that works good with aux sends into delays? best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 12:54:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23550; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 12:46:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 12:46:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 12:45:18 -0400 From: David Kenzik To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MoFx part 1 Message-ID: <20010920124518.Q4427@over.react.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from rich@nuvisionsca.com on Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 09:17:00AM -0700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com rich said... > recently acquired an electrix mofx off ebay. right now its routed > before the jamman, but it's getting midi sync from the jamman. this Ditto, arrived today. I'm using it with my EDPs, MO-FX getting it's sync from the EDPs. Pretty killer. > i was wondering if any of you who have a mofx notice a sound quality > change when the delay is engaged. it seems very subtle, but a > noticeable change happens to the 'dry' signal when you engage the > delay (right now the mofx is set for 'thru' since i'm running into it > direct). it even seems to change when the delay 'mix' knob is all > the way down. anybody else notice this with their units? Yah, I noticed this too. Another reason to reset my levels and see if I can get rid of it. However, it is very subtle. -- David S. Kenzik david@kenzik.com - http://kenzik.com Original Music - http://kenzik.com/music From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 13:00:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24150; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 12:55:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 12:55:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 12:54:02 -0400 From: David Kenzik To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MoFx part 3 Message-ID: <20010920125402.S4427@over.react.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com rich said... > looking for a bit of routing flexibility with my current setup. can > anybody point me in the right direction for some documentation on how > to use a patchbay for splitting/combining signals? Well, I seem to recall that www.dbxpro.com has their manuals online. But their site is down right now (probably Nimda.) I use the dbx48, and I know the printed manual gives a good, allbeit brief tutorial. Otherwise, you can Google it. Just look for "patchbay howto" or "patchbay tutorial", or "patchbay manual"-- something will turn up. In any case, I highly recommend a patchbay. Get one. Learn it. Use it. > or...does anybody have a url for a single space rackmount mixer that > works good with aux sends into delays? Well, you should use this with a patchbay too. ;-) Alas, the fabled looper-esque single-space mixer with many busses is a endangered beast. I think Roland had an interesting 1U unit, MU-200 or something? I think it's in the LD archives-- was quite a few threads on this subject. Over here, I use my Alesis Studio-32 atop my gig-rig. Or, for more portability, the Samson PL1602 2U mixer. Both highly recommended. Hope this helps. -- David S. Kenzik david@kenzik.com - http://kenzik.com Original Music - http://kenzik.com/music From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 13:09:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25627; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 13:03:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 13:03:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010920095552.0458e750@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 09:59:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: dt harmony-central repeater review In-Reply-To: References: <3BA9159E.DDEBCBA5@pathcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:38 PM 9/19/2001, you wrote: >yeah, it is but isnt this a conflict of interest goin on here...(just askin)? >stanner yeah, I ask people from the list to send in reviews to put on the LD site, and instead you all are sending them to harmony-central! Traitors! :-) kim ps, I do need more repeater reviews...I've got a few that I will be putting up shortly, but I know some of you are quite familiar with the unit now and can give a very useful review that will be helpful to others. thanks.... on 9/19/01 2:01 PM, hutton at hutton@pathcom.com wrote: >Thanks for the imfo. ........ Very insightful! > >"Liebig, Steuart A." wrote: > > > >howdy, > >for what it's worth . . . > >mr torn has reviewed the repeater on harmony-central. i don't remember him >really giving much of his take on it on this list. > >in any event, i think it gives a slightly different slant on the box. > >here's the link, it's (as of right now) the first review on the page. > >http://harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Electrix/Repeater-01.html > >stig > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 13:40:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26704; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 13:36:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 13:36:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004101c141f9$638be820$6b44230a@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <3BA9159E.DDEBCBA5@pathcom.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20010920095552.0458e750@loopers-delight.com> Subject: LD repeater review (was Re: dt harmony-central repeater review) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 13:26:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've actually managed to get my repeater racked this weekend, haven't even been able to use it yet. I'll post a review when I spend some time with it. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 12:59 PM Subject: Re: dt harmony-central repeater review > At 04:38 PM 9/19/2001, you wrote: > >yeah, it is but isnt this a conflict of interest goin on here...(just askin)? > >stanner > > > yeah, I ask people from the list to send in reviews to put on the LD site, > and instead you all are sending them to harmony-central! Traitors! :-) > > kim > > ps, I do need more repeater reviews...I've got a few that I will be putting > up shortly, but I know some of you are quite familiar with the unit now and > can give a very useful review that will be helpful to others. thanks.... > > > on 9/19/01 2:01 PM, hutton at hutton@pathcom.com wrote: > >Thanks for the imfo. ........ Very insightful! > > > >"Liebig, Steuart A." wrote: > > > > > > > >howdy, > > > >for what it's worth . . . > > > >mr torn has reviewed the repeater on harmony-central. i don't remember him > >really giving much of his take on it on this list. > > > >in any event, i think it gives a slightly different slant on the box. > > > >here's the link, it's (as of right now) the first review on the page. > > > >http://harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Electrix/Repeater-01.ht ml > > > >stig > > > > ________________________________________________________________ ______ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 13:48:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27007; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 13:42:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 13:42:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Subject: Re: MoFx part 3 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 13:41:32 -0400 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 09/20/2001 01:41:52 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Check out switchblade products From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 13:49:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27066; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 13:44:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 13:44:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BAA2A7B.994B4859@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 10:42:19 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: dt harmony-central repeater review References: <3BA9159E.DDEBCBA5@pathcom.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20010920095552.0458e750@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Woops, sorry Kim. I was kind of waiting until I had a nice chunk of "quality time" with the Repeater. It came out at a time when work is kicking my ass, but things are calming down now. I'll go and write a review. Mark Kim Flint wrote: > At 04:38 PM 9/19/2001, you wrote: > >yeah, it is but isnt this a conflict of interest goin on here...(just askin)? > >stanner > > yeah, I ask people from the list to send in reviews to put on the LD site, > and instead you all are sending them to harmony-central! Traitors! :-) > > kim > > ps, I do need more repeater reviews...I've got a few that I will be putting > up shortly, but I know some of you are quite familiar with the unit now and > can give a very useful review that will be helpful to others. thanks.... > > on 9/19/01 2:01 PM, hutton at hutton@pathcom.com wrote: > >Thanks for the imfo. ........ Very insightful! > > > >"Liebig, Steuart A." wrote: > > > > > > > >howdy, > > > >for what it's worth . . . > > > >mr torn has reviewed the repeater on harmony-central. i don't remember him > >really giving much of his take on it on this list. > > > >in any event, i think it gives a slightly different slant on the box. > > > >here's the link, it's (as of right now) the first review on the page. > > > >http://harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Electrix/Repeater-01.html > > > >stig > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 14:03:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27790; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 13:58:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 13:58:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BAA2DD6.D0FB471D@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 10:56:39 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MoFx part 2 (and Repeater midi implementation) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, I'm having the same problem you are. If only the Midiwizard allowed you to associate a CC# and value for a footswitch... I looked at the Yamaha, but didn't get it as money was tight. Other than that, the Midiwizard is a fine value. Seems to me the Repeater's midi implementation could be better. Does anyone really need to be able to access over a thousand loops from the floor? With a 128 meg CFC, that would give you about .026 seconds per single track loop. I think users would be much better served if you could just control 100 or so loops. Still seems like plenty of loops to me. Mark Sottilaro rich wrote: > me again, > > i am currently using a Rolls MidiWizard to control my jamman. and i > (finally) got the pedal programmed so the controlling switches are > laid out how i want them, rather than dancing all over the place. > thanks to luca for pointers on that from a few months ago... > > now, i'd like to control the mofx from the same pedal board. on the > Rolls, i can map program changes to different channels, but the mofx > seems to implement a lot of 0-63=off and 64-127=on type commands on > specific control numbers. The Rolls doesn't seem to be sophisticated > enough to do this (am i correct here?). > > yep, kim, you're right....i need a better midi pedal....but....this > is what i gots for the moment. > > so, my question is: which currently manufactured midi pedal will > allow me to have switches that will turn parameters of the mofx (or > other units....like Repeater, perhaps) on and off with these > controller commands. > > I won't be searching for a pmc-10. Will the Yamaha MFC-10 do this? > I'm pretty sure the Rocktron All Access will, but that one seems the > priciest of the bunch. > > Anybody have a specific midi pedal hooked up to a MoFx? > > best, > > rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 14:40:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30586; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 14:36:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 14:36:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB8AE@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "Looper's Delight (E-mail)" Subject: midi pedals Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 14:32:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C14202.9F89A390" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14202.9F89A390 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" howdy, i know next to nothing about midi pedals (and probably don't care as miko b will attest) . . . but here's a heads-up to you all who do care, there are number of midi pedals being sold on the harmony-central site. this guy seems to be selling some lake butler and uptown flash stuff. good hunting . . . stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14202.9F89A390 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable midi pedals

howdy,

i know next to nothing about midi = pedals (and probably don't care as miko b will attest) . . .

but here's a heads-up to you all who = do care, there are number of midi pedals being sold on the = harmony-central site. this guy seems to be selling some lake butler and = uptown flash stuff.

good hunting . . .


stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C14202.9F89A390-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 19:35:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05982; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 19:24:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 19:24:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c14206$a2273500$0301a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: OT:Octave choice Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 12:01:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01C141CB.EE939360" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C141CB.EE939360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I heard the cheap Danelectro octave was actually nice- good reviews on = Harmony Central- but I can get a used DOD Octoplus for $50 - anyone = compared these 2?=20 Cliff ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C141CB.EE939360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I heard the cheap Danelectro octave was actually = nice- good=20 reviews on Harmony Central- but I can get a used DOD Octoplus for = $50 -=20 anyone compared these 2?
 
Cliff
 
------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C141CB.EE939360-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 20:18:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09496; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 20:14:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 20:14:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1782830953598.28.0090427398682@1.00009558279883> X-Sender: X-Mailer: Ken's Useful eMail Suite v5.1 Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 15:24:10 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ken Subject: NYCgig:Sun5:30pm:Ken'sLastEverRadioExtravaganza@free103.9 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com NYC-only show: Ken's Last Ever Radio Extravaganza This Sunday 9/23 5:30pm (sharp!) - 6pm @ free103point9 Sidewalk Sale/Open Microcast Free 97 S. 6th St, betw. Bedford&Berry, Williamsburg On sidewalk and/or inside on second floor Broadcast on 103.9-FM (only in Williamsburg) and observed live in person Email if you need directions KLERE will lug laptops and make sounds not known to anyone until their sudden emission. Live, improvised manipulation of audio, attempting to alter consciousness or provoke hormonal readjustment. Going to miss this last ever show? Then pick a different, past one to listen to, at: http://free-music.com/ken/extrav/audio/ * New show just added: "Insert Coin" - about 48 recommended minutes from that show. (There are now at least 10 virtually-complete shows online, out of 253.) Some folks will be spinning records and CD's prior to this 5:30 set. Throughout the day, a DJ every 30 minutes from Noon-5:30pm, including the infamous Mr. E. And you can participate in the sidewalk sale to benefit the station, too, from Noon-6pm. Summary: Ken's Last Ever Radio Extravaganza Sunday 9/23 5:30-6pm sharp, 97 S. 6th St. Bklyn, free - Ken kenzo@free-music.com ken's last ever radio extravaganza http://free-music.com/ken/extrav/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 20:57:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11071; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 20:48:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 20:48:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BAA8E1B.642E6382@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 17:47:23 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers Subject: Repeater Review Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I sure did wait a long time for this baby, and it's finally in my grubby little paws. I purchased the Repeater because I found the mono loops and the 32 sec memory limit of my trusty JamMan to "cramp" my style. The first thing I need to say is that the Repeater IS NOT a stereo JamMan with a lot of memory, although they do share traits. The Repeater IS NOT a stereo Echoplex either. Having gotten used to it, I love this wacky box, and it's well worth the cash. It's a little rough around the edges though... First impressions: First thing I noticed was that the front panel interface was very easy to work with. If you've used a mutlitrack cassette, you'll feel right at home. Learning curve was very small. One of my beefs was that some functions need multiple button presses to initiate, which can be a bit clumsy. Electrix has included a comprehensive MIDI control scheme, but more on that later. The point here is that I was up and looping quickly before reading a word of the manual. This thing SOUNDS GREAT! With dual stereo or four mono outs, you can imagine the possibilities. After looping with a Lexicon JamMan for the last 10 years, it's like someone came into the room and turned on a 800 watt halogen light! I can see now! Time stretch and pitch change also work well, with expected, but interesting artifacts when taken to the extreme. The effects loop seems to be line level only, so if you've got instrument level stomp boxes or in my case a Lexicon Vortex, it won't really work. I couldn't set the input low enough on the Vortex to get a good level, but putting it in front of the Repeater worked well enough for me. Remember: This baby is line level all the way. I would NOT recommend plugging the output directly into your Marshall stack set on "11" (though they go up to 20...which is 9 louder, innit?) The place for this baby is in your mixer's or amp's effect loop. The problem with this now is that there's no way to kill the input to the output, but Electrix as promised to change this in the first software revision which is coming "soon." The manual: Written in "I'm your pal" style, I found it to be a bit skimpy and not all functions are that well explained or a little vague. Over all, not a bad manual, as manuals go. Written by Canadians in the dude dialect of English. My Repeater came at a time when much animal waste products were hitting air circulation devices, so I didn't have time to put it through it's paces. Kim Flint posted a message complaining about it's synch to midi functions being bad. I had not noticed this, but I was doing very swoopy ambient Frippesque stuff on it at first. Hooking the Repeater up to a drum machine and getting MIDI synch and audio from it confirmed Mr. Flint's findings. The drumbeats of the sample were a bit off. Enough to be noticeable. NOT GOOD. Synching my loops to a MIDI clock was the reason I bought this baby, and I sure was angry when it didn't work. Some research on the Electrix site (they've got a decent user forum up at http://www.electrixpro.com) showed others had similar problems. Turned out to be a problem with the Repeater's "Loop Point Assist" function. Can't turn it off when in MIDI synch mode. Anyway, I figured out a workaround (posted in their forum), and was back up and running, although a bit clumsily. I've heard that there are also MIDI clock out issues, but I don't have anything slaved off the Repeater's clock, so I don't know. THE GOOD THING is that Electrix has confirmed both problems and are about to start beta testing a 1.1 version of their software that takes care of the synch issues. That didn't take too long at all. I was a little disappointed that I could not cue up a new loop, and go into it recording. Once you cue up a new loop, the moment you hit "record" it starts recording, ending the current loop. (which still exists in memory) I'd like to be able to say, "hey Repeater, the next time around, start recording a new loop." and then go about playing. The JamMan and Echoplex both do this, I can't help but wonder why the Repeater does not. It's a 1.0 version of the software, and the lack of features like this show it. It would also be sweet if you could initiate an instant overdub. The only way to get a nice even drone into the Repeater at this point is to record a blank loop, then open it back up and go into record. I'm used to doing that, as the JamMan behaves that way. Echoplex does have this powerful feature. The nice thing for me is that because the Repeater has non volatile memory using Compact Flash Cards, you can pre record your blank loops before a performance. Speaking of Compact Flash Cards, get a BIG one! The 16 meg one that it ships with is a tease. I bought an unformattable Simple Tech 128 CFC and Electrix had them send it back to them, and they sent me a new one pretty quickly. Very nice on the customer service. Not all Simple Tech cards are bad, but Electrix never said if there was a way to find out which ones were good. It's a crap shoot, I guess. The Repeater also has 8 meg of internal memory, which is even less than a tease! I wonder why they went so small? I just put a gigabyte of memory in my Macintosh G4 for US$150. Retail for a 128 SDRAM DIMM is around $30 US. I sure would have paid $30-50 dollars more for this bad boy if it had 128 meg of internal memory, but that's a little nitpicky. The 128 Simple Tech CFC seems to be working great for me. I was also disappointed by the Repeater's MIDI control implementation. As a guitarist, if I need to step on more than one pedal to access a function, it's not really available. Electrix recommended using the Rolls Midiwizard as a midi controller, which I purchased before I actually got the unit, and I find it to be way lacking in what it takes to control the Repeater with your feet. So for using with your feet, I'd give it a 3. I'd rather give up the ability to directly access any loop number (over a thousand possible!) to be able to step once and get it to cue up the next loop and automatically go into it recording. This lack is a BIG deal, in my opinion. Does anyone really need to access a thousand loops? No. I also wish it allowed you to alter the default settings. Even if you had to load them in from the CFC every time you used it, it would be fine. LOOPING FUN: Despite it's shortcoming, this thing is GREAT. Spent a few hours with it recording guitar and synth parts over sequenced beats from a Roland MC-307. The time slip functions are really fun. It gives you the ability to "slip" a loop in time, meaning you can redefine the begin points in relation to your other tracks. Sweet. Wacky rhythms ensue. The time stretch and pitch change both work really well and sound great. (Make sure if you're planning on using a MIDI controller that you get multiple CC pedals, or one that can be programmed to change states. There's a lot you'll want to control.) I have it hooked into my rig so that I use stereo out and a stereo effect loop going to and Electrix MO-FX multiple midi synchable effect processor. I loose the four channel out, but in return I get the ability to put the MO-FX on the Repeater's inputs (gets recorded by the Repeater) or after the loop. If I get the effects the way I want them, I can then Resample the loop, and the effects of the MO-FX (or any effect processor) become part of the loop. This type of processing is REALLY powerful. I can mangle a loop infinitely, and then bring it back to it's non mangled state in a heartbeat. One issue is that the effect loop is LINE level, so if your processor is set up for guitar use, like my Lexicon Vortex, you won't be able to get a good level into it. My Vortex would peak out like crazy, even with it's input control very low. I ended up putting it in front of the Repeater. Not too much of a big deal. So the verdict? The Repeater is a new animal, but it's evolved from earlier life forms. In some ways it's way advanced, but a few of it's mutations seem a bit weak. Luckily, Electrix is talking about the addition of many features in future software revisions. Once they nail the synch issues and adds a few, this baby is going to be hard to beat. I hope it spurs Gibson to upgrade the hardware of the Echoplex, so that it can do stereo without having to buy two units (that will set you back $1200 US) Maybe Lexicon will release the JamMan II? Who knows? What ever happens, we sure do live in the Golden Age of looping. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 22:51:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16917; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 22:46:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 22:46:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c14259$95691920$1f729818@default> From: "Daniel" Cc: Subject: band needs members Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 22:54:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01C14227.41D63680" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C14227.41D63680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Seeking: HUNTING FOR PLAYERS OF FOLLOWING: KEYS, BASS, GUITAR-2, Drums = (of course Warr Guitarists, Stickistas can apply) USA - Oregon Hunting for bass player key player and second guitarist for synth = sounds. industrial sounds are the base key for this band. inquire within for details, a lot to mention, too much to mention here. band also claimed being hunted by industry to expose band (meaning anytime soon, plus). 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------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C14227.41D63680-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 23:00:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17309; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 22:56:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 22:56:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3BAA8E1B.642E6382@zerocrossing.net> References: <3BAA8E1B.642E6382@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 22:37:37 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett L Maraldo Subject: Re: Repeater Review Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4luAOB.A.sNE.Gwqq7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > The Repeater also >has 8 meg of internal memory, which is even less than a tease! I wonder >why they went so small? so you have to buy CFCs... from them. plexus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 00:21:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA21399; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 00:16:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 00:16:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.69.204.129] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT:Octave choice Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 04:14:54 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Sep 2001 04:14:54.0327 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7631870:01C14253] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the cheap Dano Octave is just that...cheap. What do you intend to use it for? I have tried a number of ocatvers on bass (what I play), and, in short, have found you get what you pay for. The best, again this is for bass is the EBS Octabass. But, that is a bit pricey. The DOD might be fine for guitar, but the Boss Oc2 would be better. Or if you wanna spend a little more, I believe Fulltone has a nice one! Max >I heard the cheap Danelectro octave was actually nice- good reviews on >Harmony Central- but I can get a used DOD Octoplus for $50 - anyone >compared these 2? > >Cliff > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 00:45:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22286; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 00:41:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 00:41:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BAAC516.98ED6892@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 21:41:58 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater Review (post if you'd like Kim) References: <3BAA8E1B.642E6382@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nah, that's not it. We're not buying them from Electrix. I'd buy one anyway, to save loops done in RAM. Oh btw, Kim, feel free to post this review on Looper's Delight if you'd like, that's what I wrote it for. Now I'm working Brett L Maraldo wrote: > > The Repeater also > >has 8 meg of internal memory, which is even less than a tease! I wonder > >why they went so small? > > so you have to buy CFCs... from them. > > plexus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 00:53:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22600; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 00:49:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 00:49:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3BAAC516.98ED6892@zerocrossing.net> References: <3BAA8E1B.642E6382@zerocrossing.net> <3BAAC516.98ED6892@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 00:48:22 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: Re: Repeater Review (post if you'd like Kim) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeah, you're right. its probably because they want the cfc implementation to be the focus for the machine. sort of like a cool feature that overshadows usability - it would have been better to have more ram in the machine for sure. i am sure most RPT users ignore the internal memory and are in CFC mode. plexus >Nah, that's not it. We're not buying them from Electrix. I'd buy one >anyway, to save loops done in RAM. Oh btw, Kim, feel free to post this >review on Looper's Delight if you'd like, that's what I wrote it for. > >Now I'm working > >Brett L Maraldo wrote: > >> > The Repeater also >> >has 8 meg of internal memory, which is even less than a tease! I wonder >> >why they went so small? >> >> so you have to buy CFCs... from them. >> >> plexus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 01:31:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23971; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 01:27:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 01:27:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007501c1425d$94556260$764428d5@a123456789> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <3BAA2DD6.D0FB471D@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: MoFx part 2 (and Repeater midi implementation) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 06:23:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you plug a footswitch into one of the CV inputs of the midi rolls, it'll output 0 for off and 127 for on, (or vice versa) Is that what you need ? Gareth > Yeah, I'm having the same problem you are. If only the Midiwizard > allowed you to associate a CC# and value for a footswitch... I looked > at the Yamaha, but didn't get it as money was tight. Other than that, > the Midiwizard is a fine value. Seems to me the Repeater's midi > implementation could be better. Does anyone really need to be able to > access over a thousand loops from the floor? With a 128 meg CFC, that > would give you about .026 seconds per single track loop. I think users > would be much better served if you could just control 100 or so loops. > Still seems like plenty of loops to me. > > Mark Sottilaro > > rich wrote: > > > me again, > > > > i am currently using a Rolls MidiWizard to control my jamman. and i > > (finally) got the pedal programmed so the controlling switches are > > laid out how i want them, rather than dancing all over the place. > > thanks to luca for pointers on that from a few months ago... > > > > now, i'd like to control the mofx from the same pedal board. on the > > Rolls, i can map program changes to different channels, but the mofx > > seems to implement a lot of 0-63=off and 64-127=on type commands on > > specific control numbers. The Rolls doesn't seem to be sophisticated > > enough to do this (am i correct here?). > > > > yep, kim, you're right....i need a better midi pedal....but....this > > is what i gots for the moment. > > > > so, my question is: which currently manufactured midi pedal will > > allow me to have switches that will turn parameters of the mofx (or > > other units....like Repeater, perhaps) on and off with these > > controller commands. > > > > I won't be searching for a pmc-10. Will the Yamaha MFC-10 do this? > > I'm pretty sure the Rocktron All Access will, but that one seems the > > priciest of the bunch. > > > > Anybody have a specific midi pedal hooked up to a MoFx? > > > > best, > > > > rich > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 01:34:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA24125; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 01:31:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 01:31:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007901c1425e$3d9f65a0$764428d5@a123456789> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <3BAA2DD6.D0FB471D@zerocrossing.net> Subject: MIDI mousing Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 06:28:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks to all for the midi mouse suggestions. I finally opted for a little program called midikeyz. This turns your qwerty keyboard into a midi controller. You can map notes, CC's etc to the keys and use the mouse to the same effect. I've managed to implement my pseudo-chaos pad on my laptop now for pitch shifting, filtering etc - great fun! Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 02:05:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA25104; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 02:01:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 02:01:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010921060012.51199.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 23:00:12 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: MoFx part 3 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- rich wrote: > once more, > > looking for a bit of routing flexibility with my > current setup. can > anybody point me in the right direction for some > documentation on how > to use a patchbay for splitting/combining signals? Splitting & routing, yes. Combining (as in 2 outs to 1 in), no. You need a mixer for that. I'd just like to recommend that you make sure the patchbay has balanced connectors. This can be handy even if your equipment does not have balanced outputs. For instance, using insert cables to route stereo thru a single patch point, or using TRS cables to connect your equipment's exp pedal jacks to the patchbay. > or...does anybody have a url for a single space > rackmount mixer that > works good with aux sends into delays? They are discontinued & hard to find, but I really like the Rocktron G612 mixer. Single rack space with 12 channels & 4 aux sends. It also has the cheapest, piece of crap, plastic knobs that anyone ever put on a piece of equipment. They start falling apart if you look at them hard. In spite of that, I'm would not part with mine. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 02:22:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA25704; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 02:18:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 02:18:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010921061705.88755.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 23:17:05 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: David Torn article/interview in Electronic Musician To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just received mine in today's mail. It's rather long but I doubt if it has anything really new for those who hang out here. He praises the Repeater, EDP, & his old Lexicon PCM???(I can never remember that damn number). I haven't had a chance to read the whole thing. He does describe the EDP as being "deadly" for rhythmic looping. Does that mean if you engage MUTE it becomes.......? :) John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 03:58:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA28668; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 03:54:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 03:54:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BAAF24F.79024C66@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 00:54:56 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MoFx part 2 (and Repeater midi implementation) References: <3BAA2DD6.D0FB471D@zerocrossing.net> <007501c1425d$94556260$764428d5@a123456789> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nope, what I really need is to be able to put my midi controller into different "banks" where one pedal can be set to perform different CC#s. In other words, in "bank 1" my CC pedal controls pitch shift, in bank 2 it controls tempo. I somehow missed the midi loop select up (PC5) and loop down (PC6) which isn't as good as direct loop access, but will do for the moment. Mark whiteoakstudios wrote: > If you plug a footswitch into one of the CV inputs of the midi rolls, it'll > output 0 for off and 127 for on, (or vice versa) > Is that what you need ? > > Gareth > > > Yeah, I'm having the same problem you are. If only the Midiwizard > > allowed you to associate a CC# and value for a footswitch... I looked > > at the Yamaha, but didn't get it as money was tight. Other than that, > > the Midiwizard is a fine value. Seems to me the Repeater's midi > > implementation could be better. Does anyone really need to be able to > > access over a thousand loops from the floor? With a 128 meg CFC, that > > would give you about .026 seconds per single track loop. I think users > > would be much better served if you could just control 100 or so loops. > > Still seems like plenty of loops to me. > > > > Mark Sottilaro > > > > rich wrote: > > > > > me again, > > > > > > i am currently using a Rolls MidiWizard to control my jamman. and i > > > (finally) got the pedal programmed so the controlling switches are > > > laid out how i want them, rather than dancing all over the place. > > > thanks to luca for pointers on that from a few months ago... > > > > > > now, i'd like to control the mofx from the same pedal board. on the > > > Rolls, i can map program changes to different channels, but the mofx > > > seems to implement a lot of 0-63=off and 64-127=on type commands on > > > specific control numbers. The Rolls doesn't seem to be sophisticated > > > enough to do this (am i correct here?). > > > > > > yep, kim, you're right....i need a better midi pedal....but....this > > > is what i gots for the moment. > > > > > > so, my question is: which currently manufactured midi pedal will > > > allow me to have switches that will turn parameters of the mofx (or > > > other units....like Repeater, perhaps) on and off with these > > > controller commands. > > > > > > I won't be searching for a pmc-10. Will the Yamaha MFC-10 do this? > > > I'm pretty sure the Rocktron All Access will, but that one seems the > > > priciest of the bunch. > > > > > > Anybody have a specific midi pedal hooked up to a MoFx? > > > > > > best, > > > > > > rich > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 05:16:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA31384; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 05:07:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 05:07:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <40.118b0973.28dc5d05@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 05:06:13 EDT Subject: Single rack mixers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Re: Single rack mixers Go to MAM - Music and more - Synthesizer Mixer Sequenzer they have a choice of 3. Low prices and a very peculiar selection of gear. Or from ( insert provisional ethical disclaimer) Behringer there's the Ultralink Pro, BEHRINGER: Products: ULTRALINK PRO MX882 which happens to be a highly innovative design. Combines a signal splitter with a mixer. Six Channels each of which can either be used with the signal splitter or to mix into stereo. Er, yes, quite hard to explain what it does. Its a 6 into 2 mixer (+another stereo I/P) Or a 2 into 6 mixer. Or could use it to mix a signal (or two) to 3 different mono loopers (in parallel), then mix those down to stereo . andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 08:34:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA05505; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 08:27:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 08:27:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.193.125.73] From: "The Weg" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: David Torn article/interview in Electronic Musician Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 12:25:39 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Sep 2001 12:25:39.0343 (UTC) FILETIME=[85FBF9F0:01C14298] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi John, I think the number was 80. It is a good article. I would love to see DT play in NY. He's an interesting character. Weg From: John Tidwell Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers Delight Subject: David Torn article/interview in Electronic Musician Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 23:17:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [207.228.238.9] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBD74270B005F4004370BCFE4EE0908800; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 23:20:07 -0700 Received: (from looper@localhost)by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA25684;Fri, 21 Sep 2001 02:17:06 -0400 >From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu, 20 Sep 2001 23:20:45 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 02:17:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010921061705.88755.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just received mine in today's mail. It's rather long but I doubt if it has anything really new for those who hang out here. He praises the Repeater, EDP, & his old Lexicon PCM???(I can never remember that damn number). I haven't had a chance to read the whole thing. He does describe the EDP as being "deadly" for rhythmic looping. Does that mean if you engage MUTE it becomes.......? :) John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 11:33:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12762; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 11:25:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 11:25:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c142c3$85554b20$1f729818@default> From: "Daniel" To: Subject: Fw: David Torn article/interview in Electronic Musician Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 11:33:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can anyone tell me if in the Electronic Musican article d/t refered to his participation in The new Bowie Recorded by Tony Visconti and which also features Billy Chamberlain on drums? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 11:43:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13643; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 11:38:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 11:38:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: From: "p koniuto" Subject: RE: Fw: David Torn article/interview in Electronic Musician Message-Id: <210901264.31047@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 08:37:32 -0700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In passing at best. Focused mainly on his activities at Cell Labs. Best, peter koniuto >--- Original Message --- >From: "Daniel" >To: >Date: 9/21/01 1:33:24 PM > >Can anyone tell me if in the Electronic Musican article d/t refered to his >participation in The new Bowie Recorded by Tony Visconti and which also >features Billy Chamberlain on drums? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 13:00:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17260; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 12:56:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 12:56:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 09:44:39 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: MIDI mousing In-reply-to: <007901c1425e$3d9f65a0$764428d5@a123456789> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <3BAA2DD6.D0FB471D@zerocrossing.net> <007901c1425e$3d9f65a0$764428d5@a123456789> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:28 AM +0100 9/21/01, whiteoakstudios wrote: >I finally opted for a little program called midikeyz It's ironic that the program is touted as being "MIDI for the rest of us," but it's a Windows application. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 13:16:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17940; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 13:12:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 13:12:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB8BA@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "Looper's Delight (E-mail)" Subject: so cal gig spam Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 13:10:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C142C0.46091940" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C142C0.46091940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable howdy, last-minute gig announcement (somehow announcing gigs has felt strange recently) . . .=20 steuart liebig/vinny golia/harris eisenstadt steuart liebig: basses, applied tools and technology, loopage (some) vinny golia: woodwinds harris eisenstadt: drumset (harris is graciously filling in for billy mintz, who has had a family emergency) saturday sept. 22,=20 two sets, starting at 11 p.m.=20 $10 admission at rocco 6320 Santa Monica Blvd. hollywood, ca. (just west of Vine on the=20 south side of the street, between Vine Street & Lillian Way.)=20 All ages are welcome.=20 INFO HOTLINE: 323.804.4146=20 from the l.a. weekly: What often separates good music from great is feel. It's outside the = lines, outside the rhythms, in fuzzy suggestions that the players pick up from = each other and then transmit. This L.A. trio has feel: Listen to the new Antipodes on Cadence Jazz. Vinny Golia is the linesman, riffling forth = reams of arpeggios =E0 la Coltrane or selecting cleaner paths that recall = Prokofiev; he plays many reeds, but see if you don't agree that he has the most gorgeous baritone-sax sound going. Steuart Liebig's electric bass comes = off like an acoustic in this context, except that he can easily add touches = of electronic spookery to his driving, supportive rumble. The textural = banquet is completed by drummer Billy Mintz, who layers crispness and crust = using hardly more than snare and cymbals while reminding you that a beat is infinitely divisible. These guys are excited about this union, and they should be. (Greg Burk) http://laweekly.com/picks/scoring.php3 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C142C0.46091940 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable so cal gig spam

howdy,

last-minute gig announcement (somehow = announcing gigs has felt strange recently) . . .


steuart liebig/vinny golia/harris = eisenstadt

steuart liebig: basses, applied tools = and technology, loopage (some)

vinny golia: woodwinds

harris eisenstadt: drumset

(harris is graciously filling in for = billy mintz, who has had a family emergency)

saturday sept. 22,
two sets, starting at 11 p.m. =

$10 admission
at rocco
6320 Santa Monica Blvd. = hollywood, ca.
(just west of Vine on the
south side of the street, between Vine Street & Lillian = Way.)=20

All ages are = welcome.
INFO HOTLINE: 323.804.4146 =

from the l.a. weekly:

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C142C0.46091940-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 13:16:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18010; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 13:13:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 13:13:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003801c142c0$9f446be0$0301a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Midi foot controller Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 10:12:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0035_01C14285.ED86C2C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C14285.ED86C2C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not sure if this has been discussed- I wionder if it is any good- = http://www.behringer.de/eng/products/guitarworkstations/fcb1010.htm Cliff ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C14285.ED86C2C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not sure if this has been discussed- I wionder if it = is any=20 good- http://www.behringer.de/eng/products/guitarworkstations/fcb1010.htm
 
Cliff
------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C14285.ED86C2C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 13:27:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18475; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 13:19:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 13:19:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010921101155.01bf38f8@mulder.intermag.com> X-Sender: mpulver@mulder.intermag.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 10:17:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Patchbays Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Sep 2001 17:17:18.0562 (UTC) FILETIME=[4454E420:01C142C1] Resent-Message-ID: <8rYbU.A.1fE.JZ3q7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I lost track of the thread, but someone was asking about patchbays... The UK based mag Sound On Sound has run a couple of articles on the use and configuration of them. Check: March 1998: http://www.sound-on-sound.com/sos/mar98/articles/patchbays.html and December 1999: http://www.sound-on-sound.com/sos/dec99/articles/patchbay.htm Sound on Sound is an excellent mag. It's a bit pricey to subscribe to it outside of the UK, but it's WELL worth it. The quality and depth of the reviews and articles are far above the normal US offerings. A couple of months ago, they started an "international" version. This mag has the same articles as the UK/Europe version but without all the UK based advertising. It's $50/year LESS than the UK version (and about 1/2 the number of pages!). Info is here: http://www.sound-on-sound.com/subs/ Click on "Subscription prices" Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 13:32:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18839; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 13:27:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 13:27:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB8C0@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: OT:Octave choice Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 13:25:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C142C2.5E220120" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C142C2.5E220120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" the cheap Dano Octave is just that...cheap. What do you intend to use it for? I have tried a number of ocatvers on bass (what I play), and, in short, have found you get what you pay for. The best, again this is for bass is the EBS Octabass. But, that is a bit pricey. The DOD might be fine for guitar, but the Boss Oc2 would be better. Or if you wanna spend a little more, I believe Fulltone has a nice one! ** i don't think that the dod is very good. the ebs is good, seems to track lower than the boss. the boss is pretty good and it does both two octaves and one octave down. to my knowledge, fulltone doesn't make a pedal that does low octave (and i've tried to get him to make one) - - fuller makes a upper octave fuzz. the new mxr line features a low octave, don't know about how it is. i'd look at the harmony-central web site effects section for reviews of each pedal. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C142C2.5E220120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: OT:Octave choice

the cheap Dano Octave is just that...cheap.  = What do you intend to use it
for?  I have tried a number of ocatvers on bass = (what I play), and, in
short, have found you get what you pay for.  = The best, again this is for
bass is the EBS Octabass.  But, that is a bit = pricey. The DOD might be fine
for guitar, but the Boss Oc2 would be better.
Or if you wanna spend a little more, I believe = Fulltone has a nice one!



** i don't think that the dod is very good.

the ebs is good, seems to track lower than the boss. =

the boss is pretty good and it does both two octaves = and one octave down.

to my knowledge, fulltone doesn't make a pedal that = does low octave (and i've tried to get him to make one) - - fuller = makes a upper octave fuzz.

the new mxr line features a low octave, don't know = about how it is.

i'd look at the harmony-central web site effects = section for reviews of each pedal.

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C142C2.5E220120-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 13:52:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19762; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 13:46:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 13:46:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.148.1.91] From: "Peter Underwood" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Single rack mixers Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 10:45:24 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Sep 2001 17:45:24.0705 (UTC) FILETIME=[3159E510:01C142C5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I believe Rane used to make something very similiar to the Behringer unit mentioned below. (Sorry, don't remember the model #) You could probably pick one of those up used for even cheaper than the Behringer prices. I saw one for $45 not too long ago. -s >From: SoundFNR@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Single rack mixers >Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 05:06:13 EDT >HREF="http://www.behringer.de/eng/products/audiosolutions/mx882.htm"> >BEHRINGER: Products: ULTRALINK PRO MX882 >which happens to be a highly innovative design. >Combines a signal splitter with a mixer. >Six Channels each of which can either be used with the signal splitter >or to mix into stereo. >Er, yes, quite hard to explain what it does. >Its a 6 into 2 mixer (+another stereo I/P) >Or a 2 into 6 mixer. >Or could use it to mix a signal (or two) to 3 different mono loopers (in >parallel), then mix those down to stereo . > >andy butler > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 14:06:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20519; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:00:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:00:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Subject: Sound-on-Sound Mag (was Patchbays) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 13:59:44 -0400 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 09/21/2001 01:59:50 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Agree on the quality of this mag...I've been using their e-sub option, which allows me to pay on-line quarterly, then immediately access and print or read all the current and recent editorial content, plus graphics (it's all available for free after three mos. or so, plus you can buy back issues on CD-Rom); very slick. Dunno why UK music publishers are so much more innovative and multimedia-savvy than US ones...cover CDs, e-subs, etc... david From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 14:08:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20546; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:01:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:01:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010921105634.0212c5c0@mail.mindspring.com> X-Files: The truth is out there. Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 10:57:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: David Torn article/interview in Electronic Musician In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com He might be using a PMC80 too, but in the context of looping, that was probably a reference to his modified PMC42. At 12:25 PM 2001/09/21 +0000, someone wrote: >Hi John, > I think the number was 80. It is a good article. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 14:31:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22125; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:27:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:27:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BAB866A.9B1A8FEB@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 11:26:42 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Midi foot controller References: <003801c142c0$9f446be0$0301a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4WtA7D.A.2YF._Z4q7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmmmmm, that does look interesting, and would probably be exactly what I need... except I can't seem to find it at any of the on line vendors. On a similar note, I spent 2 hours going step by step trying to program the Rolls Midiwizard, and although it seemed to be taking the commands, when I'd leave the "learn" mode, it would be unchanged. I finally got too tired and gave up. Put some white electrical tape on that baby and wrote in the program numbers. The machine won. Mark "Clifford@BienAppraisers" wrote: > Not sure if this has been discussed- I wionder if it is any good- > http://www.behringer.de/eng/products/guitarworkstations/fcb1010.htm Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 14:31:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21960; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:25:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:25:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901c142ca$61493820$0301a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB8C0@migarexch01.maritz.com> Subject: Re: OT:Octave choice Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 11:22:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01C1428F.B0981D00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C1428F.B0981D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: OT:Octave choiceThanks for the help yall- I tried the EBS or = whatever, the MXR, and the DOD- I was unimpressed by all of them- esp = the MXR- poor tracking- the EBS *might* have sounded a little better but = it didn't sound $50 better than the DOD- so I got the DOD and looped my = ass off for 3 hours last night- I love the EDP- I had clock coming from = drum machine to FilterFactory, Mo-Fx, and M-One then to EDP with sync IN = and SwitchQuant ON- bitchin! Stayed in sync for over 15min- pretty = amazing considering they are different clocks in parallel-=20 I did experience 1 bug which I could not reproduce- I had 4 loops and I = think SwitchQuant was off at the time- I was pressing NextLoop and going = through them when the EDP apparently reset and displayed the Loop 3m = essage and lost the loops- hope it was 1 in a million-=20 Anyway, my quest for a great Octave pedal is not over- I will try every = one I can get my hands on and let you know- I will even try the Dan-O = only because there are some glowing reviews on HC- who knows- I can = hope! I don't understand how my new M-One can do octave so deeply shitty = and a cheap ass DOD does it way better- kind of dissapointing- but I = didn't buy the M-One for octave- Cliff=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Liebig, Steuart A.=20 To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'=20 Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 10:25 AM Subject: RE: OT:Octave choice the cheap Dano Octave is just that...cheap. What do you intend to use = it=20 for? I have tried a number of ocatvers on bass (what I play), and, in = short, have found you get what you pay for. The best, again this is = for=20 bass is the EBS Octabass. But, that is a bit pricey. The DOD might be = fine=20 for guitar, but the Boss Oc2 would be better.=20 Or if you wanna spend a little more, I believe Fulltone has a nice = one!=20 ** i don't think that the dod is very good.=20 the ebs is good, seems to track lower than the boss.=20 the boss is pretty good and it does both two octaves and one octave = down.=20 to my knowledge, fulltone doesn't make a pedal that does low octave = (and i've tried to get him to make one) - - fuller makes a upper octave = fuzz.=20 the new mxr line features a low octave, don't know about how it is.=20 i'd look at the harmony-central web site effects section for reviews = of each pedal.=20 stig=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C1428F.B0981D00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: OT:Octave choice
Thanks for the help yall- I tried the EBS or = whatever, the=20 MXR, and the DOD- I was unimpressed by all of them- esp the MXR- poor = tracking-=20 the EBS *might* have sounded a little better but it didn't sound $50 = better than=20 the DOD- so I got the DOD and looped my ass off for 3 hours last night- = I love=20 the EDP- I had clock coming from drum machine to FilterFactory, Mo-Fx, = and M-One=20 then to EDP with sync IN and SwitchQuant ON- bitchin! Stayed in = sync for=20 over 15min- pretty amazing considering they are different clocks in = parallel-=20
 
I did experience 1 bug which I could not reproduce- = I had 4=20 loops and I think SwitchQuant was off at the time- I was pressing = NextLoop and=20 going through them when the EDP apparently reset and displayed the Loop = 3m=20 essage and lost the loops- hope it was 1 in a million-
 
Anyway, my quest for a great Octave pedal is not = over- I will=20 try every one I can get my hands on and let you know- I will even try = the Dan-O=20 only because there are some glowing reviews on HC- who knows- I can = hope! I=20 don't understand how my new M-One can do octave so deeply shitty and a = cheap ass=20 DOD does it way better- kind of dissapointing- but I didn't buy the = M-One for=20 octave-
 
Cliff 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Liebig, Steuart A. =
To: 'Loopers-Delight@lo= opers-delight.com'=20
Sent: Friday, September 21, = 2001 10:25=20 AM
Subject: RE: OT:Octave = choice


the cheap Dano Octave is just that...cheap.  = What do you=20 intend to use it
for?  I have tried a = number of=20 ocatvers on bass (what I play), and, in
short, have=20 found you get what you pay for.  The best, again this is for=20
bass is the EBS Octabass.  But, that is = a bit=20 pricey. The DOD might be fine
for guitar, = but the Boss=20 Oc2 would be better.
Or if you wanna spend a = little=20 more, I believe Fulltone has a nice one!



** i don't think that the dod is very good. =

the ebs is good, seems to track lower than the boss. =

the boss is pretty good and it does both two octaves = and one=20 octave down.

to my knowledge, fulltone doesn't make a pedal that = does low=20 octave (and i've tried to get him to make one) - - fuller makes a = upper octave=20 fuzz.

the new mxr line features a low octave, don't know = about how=20 it is.

i'd look at the harmony-central web site effects = section for=20 reviews of each pedal.

stig

------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C1428F.B0981D00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 14:37:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22440; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:32:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:32:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010921112836.01c015c8@mulder.intermag.com> X-Sender: mpulver@mulder.intermag.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 11:29:33 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Midi foot controller In-Reply-To: <3BAB866A.9B1A8FEB@zerocrossing.net> References: <003801c142c0$9f446be0$0301a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Sep 2001 18:29:27.0662 (UTC) FILETIME=[58AD20E0:01C142CB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Sottilaro (11:26 AM 09.21.2001) wrote: >Hmmmmm, that does look interesting, and would probably be exactly what I >need... except I can't seem to find it at any of the on line vendors. I've been looking too. The manual is dated Sept 2001, so I'm thinking it's not out yet. The normal spots for online info from NAMM shows and the like are empty on info as well. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 14:44:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22752; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:39:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:39:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB8C4@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: OT:Octave choice Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:37:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C142CC.6D447890" Resent-Message-ID: <4mwmTB.A.kiF.ak4q7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C142CC.6D447890 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Anyway, my quest for a great Octave pedal is not over- I will try every one I can get my hands on and let you know- I will even try the Dan-O only because there are some glowing reviews on HC- who knows- I can hope! ** let us know, cause i've never been particularly satisfied either. I don't understand how my new M-One can do octave so deeply shitty and a cheap ass DOD does it way better- kind of dissapointing- but I didn't buy the M-One for octave- ** digital versus analog??? stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C142CC.6D447890 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: OT:Octave choice
 
Anyway, my quest for a great Octave pedal is not over- I will try every one I can get my hands on and let you know- I will even try the Dan-O only because there are some glowing reviews on HC- who knows- I can hope!  
 
** let us know, cause i've never been particularly satisfied either.
 
 I don't understand how my new M-One can do octave so deeply shitty and a cheap ass DOD does it way better- kind of dissapointing- but I didn't buy the M-One for octave- 
 
 
** digital versus analog??? 
 
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C142CC.6D447890-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 14:51:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23112; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:46:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:46:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 11:45:25 -0800 Subject: Re: David Torn article/interview in Electronic Musician From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010921105634.0212c5c0@mail.mindspring.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeah its the >>P C M 42 <<- "pulse code modulation" thats where those letters come from...still the only favorite loopbox that i use-talk about dead-on rhythmic loops-nothing else comes close if you use the internal clock. seeya stanner on 9/21/01 9:57 AM, Sean Echevarria at sean_@mindspring.com wrote: > He might be using a PMC80 too, but in the context of looping, that was > probably a reference to his modified PMC42. > > > At 12:25 PM 2001/09/21 +0000, someone wrote: >> Hi John, >> I think the number was 80. It is a good article. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 14:57:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23447; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:53:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:53:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 11:50:28 -0700 From: "Miko Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Single rack mixers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA23279 Resent-Message-ID: <1Mc31B.A.-rF.Iw4q7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's the SM26B... Splitter-Mixer. Miko Biffle - Miko.Biffle@asml.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" >>> skullyshakespeare@hotmail.com 09/21/01 10:45AM >>> I believe Rane used to make something very similiar to the Behringer unit mentioned below. (Sorry, don't remember the model #) You could probably pick one of those up used for even cheaper than the Behringer prices. I saw one for $45 not too long ago. -s >From: SoundFNR@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Single rack mixers >Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 05:06:13 EDT >HREF="http://www.behringer.de/eng/products/audiosolutions/mx882.htm"> >BEHRINGER: Products: ULTRALINK PRO MX882 >which happens to be a highly innovative design. >Combines a signal splitter with a mixer. >Six Channels each of which can either be used with the signal splitter >or to mix into stereo. >Er, yes, quite hard to explain what it does. >Its a 6 into 2 mixer (+another stereo I/P) >Or a 2 into 6 mixer. >Or could use it to mix a signal (or two) to 3 different mono loopers (in >parallel), then mix those down to stereo . > >andy butler > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 15:01:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23699; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:57:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:57:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 11:56:52 -0700 Subject: Re: OT:Octave choice Message-ID: <20010921.115653.248.30.tony-moore@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-11,13-35 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Tony Moore Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i use a reissue e-h bass microsynth for octaves. among other things, it can do one up and/or one down. i've always been happy with how it tracks. tho i think any octaver is going to have a hard time with a bass guitar's low b string. those are some mighty big waves to track! also, i really dig the brown boss unit. i love what it does to the signal. seems to compress it slightly and add a nice amount of grit. i also have the ebs and it's way too clean for my taste. also, i don't think it trackes much better than the brown boss and certainly not as well as the microsynth. i know the microsynth's are pricey, but man, they do a lot! tony On Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:37:11 -0400 "Liebig, Steuart A." writes: > > Anyway, my quest for a great Octave pedal is not over- I will try > every one > I can get my hands on and let you know- I will even try the Dan-O > only > because there are some glowing reviews on HC- who knows- I can hope! > > > ** let us know, cause i've never been particularly satisfied either. > > I don't understand how my new M-One can do octave so deeply shitty > and a > cheap ass DOD does it way better- kind of dissapointing- but I > didn't buy > the M-One for octave- > > > ** digital versus analog??? > > stig > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 15:04:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23829; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:59:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:59:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010921115622.0212f838@mail.mindspring.com> X-Files: The truth is out there. Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 11:57:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: David Torn article/interview in Electronic Musician In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010921105634.0212c5c0@mail.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yikes - must have been my TLA dyslexia... At 11:45 AM 2001/09/21 -0800, you wrote: >yeah its the >>P C M 42 <<- "pulse code modulation" thats where those >letters come from...still the only favorite loopbox that i use-talk about >dead-on rhythmic loops-nothing else comes close if you use the internal >clock. >seeya >stanner > > >on 9/21/01 9:57 AM, Sean Echevarria at sean_@mindspring.com wrote: > > > He might be using a PMC80 too, but in the context of looping, that was > > probably a reference to his modified PMC42. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 15:08:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24152; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 15:04:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 15:04:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009201c142d0$d4235280$b9168bd1@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: Re: OT:Octave choice Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 15:08:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've had no experience with the Dan-o octaver or DOD, but I've used the Boss, and its tracking is spotty in the extreme ranges. For the bucks I'd go with the Digitech Whammy. I demo'd the original (and most popular) model back in the day when it first came out, but by the time I ordered it, it had morphed into the somewhat unpopular black model. I have zero complaints with it.It generates one ovave up, two octaves up, and one octave down from the original pitch. Additionally, it generates a mix of one octave up and one octave down in conjunction with the original signal. And then of course there are all the other intervals it will generate along with the zany pedal-portamento effect. I believe the newest (and slightly more popular) model has the "dive bomb" pitch effect which drops the sound five octaves or so, sounding like a turntablist putting the brakes on vinyl if you play it right. Or for those whose hair resembles a poodle's, sounding like Eddie Van slamming his Floyd Rose into the face of his custom Strat. If you add up all the octave possibilities and it's ability to track single note lines really well AND its cool glitchiness when you feed it a comlex chord, its possibly the best bank-per-buck octaver out there. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 15:08:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23799; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:58:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:58:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 11:59:32 -0700 Subject: Re: Single rack mixers Message-ID: <20010921.115932.248.31.tony-moore@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-7,9-55 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Tony Moore Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i bought a peavey valve mixer from a fellow list member awhile back and love it. single space with a 12ax7 for each channel, and it has (2?) stereo aux sends. i paid about $150 for it well used, but working perfectly. you can put some black tape over that peavey logo if it bothers you ;-) tony On Fri, 21 Sep 2001 11:50:28 -0700 "Miko Biffle" writes: > It's the SM26B... Splitter-Mixer. > > Miko Biffle - Miko.Biffle@asml.com > "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" > > >>> skullyshakespeare@hotmail.com 09/21/01 10:45AM >>> > I believe Rane used to make something very similiar to the Behringer > unit > mentioned below. (Sorry, don't remember the model #) You could > probably pick > one of those up used for even cheaper than the Behringer prices. I > saw one > for $45 not too long ago. > > -s > > > >From: SoundFNR@aol.com > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: Single rack mixers > >Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 05:06:13 EDT > >HREF="http://www.behringer.de/eng/products/audiosolutions/mx882.htm"> > >BEHRINGER: Products: ULTRALINK PRO MX882 > >which happens to be a highly innovative design. > >Combines a signal splitter with a mixer. > >Six Channels each of which can either be used with the signal > splitter > >or to mix into stereo. > >Er, yes, quite hard to explain what it does. > >Its a 6 into 2 mixer (+another stereo I/P) > >Or a 2 into 6 mixer. > >Or could use it to mix a signal (or two) to 3 different mono > loopers (in > >parallel), then mix those down to stereo . > > > >andy butler > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 15:31:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25199; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 15:26:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 15:26:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 15:24:10 -0400 Subject: Re: Single-rack mixers From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200109211831.OAA22309@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3083930650_3742999_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3083930650_3742999_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I use a MAM MLM-62 -- a 6-channel stereo mixer with one stereo fx loop. (two mic/line, two stereo line inputs). It's been very reliable, great for a live setup. It's an obscure German company, but available in the U>S> --MS_Mac_OE_3083930650_3742999_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Single-rack mixers I use a MAM MLM-62 -- a 6-channel stereo mixer with one ster= eo fx loop. (two mic/line, two stereo line inputs).   It's been ve= ry reliable, great for a live setup.
It's an obscure German company, but available in the U>S> --MS_Mac_OE_3083930650_3742999_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 15:52:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26296; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 15:48:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 15:48:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: OT:Octave choice Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 12:52:57 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-reply-to: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB8C0@migarexch01.maritz.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I found the same to be true. The tracking on the OctaBass is the best and extends into the lower ranges without breaking up like other pedals. But I just sold my EBS pedals so I could afford the Lexicon G2 - (Hell, getting the 5 EBS pedals is more expensive that the G2 unit!). I was sick of the mess on the floor and after I got the Repeater I figured I get everything consolidated to one pedal board. Hopefully the octave effect that I can dial up on the G2 wil be at least as nice as the EBS. Any bass players reading who have tips on dialing in some nice bass effects on the G2, including the octave shifter? -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: Liebig, Steuart A. [mailto:Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 10:25 AM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: RE: OT:Octave choice I have tried a number of ocatvers on bass (what I play), and, in short, have found you get what you pay for. The best, again this is for bass is the EBS Octabass. But, that is a bit pricey From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 15:59:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26542; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 15:52:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 15:52:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200109211951.f8LJpfT05564@chmls16.mediaone.net> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 15:46:02 -0400 From: Dean Stiglitz Subject: re[2]: Single-rack mixers To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: Peter Cohen Associates X-Mailer: GoldMine [5.50.10111] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA26427 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the mam stuff rules...i use their vocoder on almost every project i do (11 band analog). deknow >> I use a MAM MLM-62 -- a 6-channel stereo mixer with one stereo fx loop. >> (two mic/line, two stereo line inputs). It's been very reliable, great >> for a live setup. >> It's an obscure German company, but available in the U>S> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 16:12:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27403; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 16:07:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 16:07:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007001c142d8$b15e4900$0301a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <20010921.115932.248.31.tony-moore@juno.com> Subject: Re: Single rack mixers Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 13:04:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The new-wave Peavy logo rocks. Be proud. Om ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Moore" To: Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 11:59 AM Subject: Re: Single rack mixers > i bought a peavey valve mixer from a fellow list member awhile back and > love it. single space with a 12ax7 for each channel, and it has (2?) > stereo aux sends. i paid about $150 for it well used, but working > perfectly. you can put some black tape over that peavey logo if it > bothers you ;-) > > tony > > On Fri, 21 Sep 2001 11:50:28 -0700 "Miko Biffle" > writes: > > It's the SM26B... Splitter-Mixer. > > > > Miko Biffle - Miko.Biffle@asml.com > > "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" > > > > >>> skullyshakespeare@hotmail.com 09/21/01 10:45AM >>> > > I believe Rane used to make something very similiar to the Behringer > > unit > > mentioned below. (Sorry, don't remember the model #) You could > > probably pick > > one of those up used for even cheaper than the Behringer prices. I > > saw one > > for $45 not too long ago. > > > > -s > > > > > > >From: SoundFNR@aol.com > > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >Subject: Single rack mixers > > >Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 05:06:13 EDT > > >HREF="http://www.behringer.de/eng/products/audiosolutions/mx882.htm"> > > >BEHRINGER: Products: ULTRALINK PRO MX882 > > >which happens to be a highly innovative design. > > >Combines a signal splitter with a mixer. > > >Six Channels each of which can either be used with the signal > > splitter > > >or to mix into stereo. > > >Er, yes, quite hard to explain what it does. > > >Its a 6 into 2 mixer (+another stereo I/P) > > >Or a 2 into 6 mixer. > > >Or could use it to mix a signal (or two) to 3 different mono > > loopers (in > > >parallel), then mix those down to stereo . > > > > > >andy butler > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 16:12:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27367; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 16:05:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 16:05:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006f01c142d8$af6fe680$0301a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <009201c142d0$d4235280$b9168bd1@Douglas> Subject: Re: OT:Octave choice Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 13:04:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have never liked the Boss- 2 oct is nice but tracking sux and too synth-like for my taste- I will try the Digitech- thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: "Loopers-Delight" Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 12:08 PM Subject: Re: OT:Octave choice > I've had no experience with the Dan-o octaver or DOD, but I've used the > Boss, and its tracking is spotty in the extreme ranges. For the bucks I'd go > with the Digitech Whammy. I demo'd the original (and most popular) model > back in the day when it first came out, but by the time I ordered it, it had > morphed into the somewhat unpopular black model. I have zero complaints with > it.It generates one ovave up, two octaves up, and one octave down from the > original pitch. Additionally, it generates a mix of one octave up and one > octave down in conjunction with the original signal. And then of course > there are all the other intervals it will generate along with the zany > pedal-portamento effect. I believe the newest (and slightly more popular) > model has the "dive bomb" pitch effect which drops the sound five octaves or > so, sounding like a turntablist putting the brakes on vinyl if you play it > right. Or for those whose hair resembles a poodle's, sounding like Eddie Van > slamming his Floyd Rose into the face of his custom Strat. > If you add up all the octave possibilities and it's ability to track > single note lines really well AND its cool glitchiness when you feed it a > comlex chord, its possibly the best bank-per-buck octaver out there. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 16:56:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30123; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 16:47:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 16:47:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BABA933.136A@Hevanet.Com.> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 13:55:14 -0700 From: DaViD AuKeR X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater Internal/CFC References: <200109211831.OAA22308@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Brett Maraldo said > > i am sure most RPT users ignore the internal memory and are in CFC mode. > Copying over to CFC from Internal Memory is easy, so you can save any doodles, but the internal 8MB does go fast, so starting w/CFC memory might be prudent. ~Has anyone purchased CFC cards from Cosco? Price any good?~ David Portland, OR From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 19:06:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08349; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 18:59:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 18:59:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 18:55:37 EDT Subject: Re: so cal gig spam To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d8.c574e85.28dd1f69_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_d8.c574e85.28dd1f69_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/21/01 1:11:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com writes: > steuart.....we all needs da music!.....:)m --part1_d8.c574e85.28dd1f69_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/21/01 1:11:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com writes:


(somehow announcing gigs has felt strange recently) . . .


steuart.....we all needs da music!.....:)m --part1_d8.c574e85.28dd1f69_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 19:27:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09346; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 19:19:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 19:19:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB8CA@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: so cal gig spam Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 19:14:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C142F3.384E0D50" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C142F3.384E0D50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" true . . . but it seems rather small these days. thanks sl steuart.....we all needs da music!.....:)m ------_=_NextPart_001_01C142F3.384E0D50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
true . . . but it seems rather small these days.
 
thanks
 
sl 

steuart.....we all needs da music!.....:)m
------_=_NextPart_001_01C142F3.384E0D50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 20:02:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11190; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 19:57:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 19:57:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <6.1c74b72e.28dd2d8b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 19:55:55 EDT Subject: NJ gigs To: STICKWIRE-L@home.ease.lsoft.com, taptalk@progrock.net, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Paul Mimlitsch (guitar/StickSB8/loops/textures): -Sat. Sept. 22nd. (w/ J.Janetta - fretless bass) 6:00-9:00 pm. "Planet Zen"(fine dining - specializing in vegetarian fare), Asbury Ave. (between 9th and 10th streets), Ocean City, NJ (609)391-2000. -Sun. Sept. 23rd. 6:00pm. (as "Adelante" - w/ J.Janetta - fretless bass/ Dan Osterweil - horns/ Tony Mascara-drums) "Jazz Vespers", The First Presbyterian Church of Cedarville, 197 Main Street, Cedarville, NJ. (856)447-3418 Reverand D. Bruce Pike-Pastor email: bnjp@juno.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 20:02:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11178; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 19:57:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 19:57:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BABD372.6D9B19B3@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 16:55:30 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Single rack mixers References: <20010921.115932.248.31.tony-moore@juno.com> <007001c142d8$b15e4900$0301a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com NO! IT'S HORRIBLE! Reminds me of something Bevis scratched into his homeroom desk with a bic pen. "Clifford@BienAppraisers" wrote: > The new-wave Peavy logo rocks. Be proud. > > Om > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tony Moore" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 11:59 AM > Subject: Re: Single rack mixers > > > i bought a peavey valve mixer from a fellow list member awhile back and > > love it. single space with a 12ax7 for each channel, and it has (2?) > > stereo aux sends. i paid about $150 for it well used, but working > > perfectly. you can put some black tape over that peavey logo if it > > bothers you ;-) > > > > tony > > > > On Fri, 21 Sep 2001 11:50:28 -0700 "Miko Biffle" > > writes: > > > It's the SM26B... Splitter-Mixer. > > > > > > Miko Biffle - Miko.Biffle@asml.com > > > "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" > > > > > > >>> skullyshakespeare@hotmail.com 09/21/01 10:45AM >>> > > > I believe Rane used to make something very similiar to the Behringer > > > unit > > > mentioned below. (Sorry, don't remember the model #) You could > > > probably pick > > > one of those up used for even cheaper than the Behringer prices. I > > > saw one > > > for $45 not too long ago. > > > > > > -s > > > > > > > > > >From: SoundFNR@aol.com > > > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > >Subject: Single rack mixers > > > >Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 05:06:13 EDT > > > >HREF="http://www.behringer.de/eng/products/audiosolutions/mx882.htm"> > > > >BEHRINGER: Products: ULTRALINK PRO MX882 > > > >which happens to be a highly innovative design. > > > >Combines a signal splitter with a mixer. > > > >Six Channels each of which can either be used with the signal > > > splitter > > > >or to mix into stereo. > > > >Er, yes, quite hard to explain what it does. > > > >Its a 6 into 2 mixer (+another stereo I/P) > > > >Or a 2 into 6 mixer. > > > >Or could use it to mix a signal (or two) to 3 different mono > > > loopers (in > > > >parallel), then mix those down to stereo . > > > > > > > >andy butler > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 20:07:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12727; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 20:04:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 20:04:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <15b.1609e0a.28dd2f59@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 20:03:37 EDT Subject: Re: so cal gig spam To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_15b.1609e0a.28dd2f59_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: <1UJ1iB.A.1FD.dV9q7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_15b.1609e0a.28dd2f59_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/21/01 7:17:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com writes: > but it seems rather small these days. only if you let it.....:)m --part1_15b.1609e0a.28dd2f59_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/21/01 7:17:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com writes:


but it seems rather small these days.


only if you let it.....:)m --part1_15b.1609e0a.28dd2f59_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 20:15:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12981; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 20:10:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 20:10:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ac01c1430d$03c718a0$1f729818@default> From: "Daniel" To: Cc: Subject: Fw: band needs members Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 20:19:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A9_01C142DA.AC6098C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A9_01C142DA.AC6098C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Daniel=20 Cc: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 10:54 PM Subject: band needs members Seeking: HUNTING FOR PLAYERS OF FOLLOWING: KEYS, BASS, GUITAR-2, Drums = (of course Warr Guitarists, Stickistas can apply) USA - Oregon Hunting for bass player key player and second guitarist for synth = sounds. industrial sounds are the base key for this band. inquire within for details, a lot to mention, too much to mention here. band also claimed being hunted by industry to expose band (meaning anytime soon, plus). Contact: Brandon Sills brandonsills@home.com http://www.mp3.com/psychosphere ------=_NextPart_000_00A9_01C142DA.AC6098C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Daniel =
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 10:54 PM
Subject: band needs members

Seeking: HUNTING FOR PLAYERS OF = FOLLOWING: KEYS,=20 BASS, GUITAR-2, Drums (of course Warr Guitarists, Stickistas can = apply)
USA -=20 Oregon
Hunting for bass player key player and second guitarist for = synth=20 sounds.
industrial sounds are the base key for this band. inquire = within=20 for
details, a lot to mention, too much to mention here. band also=20 claimed
being hunted by industry to expose band (meaning anytime = soon,=20 plus).
Contact: Brandon Sills brandonsills@home.com
http://www.mp3.com/psychosphere
------=_NextPart_000_00A9_01C142DA.AC6098C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 23:06:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22721; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 23:02:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 23:02:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 00:00:11 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: on octave dividing / Polysubbass Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <07S1zB.A.PiF.D7_q7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Basically there are two ways to do produce a lower octave: - Either you divide every single wave (by switching the phase at every wave, usually) and such only achieve octaves, but totally regularly, IN PHASE with the original, so rather likely to colour the original. This type cannot handle any multiple notes. Its usually done with analog electronics. It probably could be done better digitally, but I have never seen it in a multieffect. - or you divide larger "sample" of the sound, with some complex algorithm. This gives the freedom to chose the pitch freely, but the resulting signal is not in phase and thus somehow apart from the original. Its a separate oscillation, so it rather sounds like a second string attacked together. This type can handle multiple notes to some degree. The more harmonic the signal mixture, the smaller the glitches. This is only possible with digital electronics. I designed the Polysubbass according to the first model, because I wanted to keep the original simplicity of the instrument and just give it the bass dimension. The idea came when Peter Gregor explained me that the success of the soft distorting Celestion type of guitar speaker was their subharmonic distortions. The material produces an octave effect. Since I wanted the guitar to sound good when connected directly to any good speaker or head phone, I had to add this sound. To avoid the artefacts of string mixtures, it took an octaver/string. This not only avoids the interference "dirt", but reduces the pitch range of each octaver. With filters tuned to the strings, the tracking can be improved. Also, I discovered, to fade out the bass effect shortly before it looses track, so I ended up without any artefact. At last, I remembered that we never need two bass lines in a compositions because the interferences between low frequencies turn into inaudible vibrations. So I created the priority circuit that softly switches off one strings octave if a lower string is played, so when playing cords, you end up with just one clean bass note. This feature really extracts a bass line out of anything you play on the guitar - not even the VG8 does this. For a rather natural low end enrichment, you can switch this priority feature off. This lowest part of the frequency range is not reproduced by the "speaker simulator" units, which usually just treat the higher range with filters and dont add distortion as a speaker does. Since I dont feel like simulating anything, I did not emphasize this aspect of the Polysubbass. Unfortunately, Polysubbass needs separate string signals to work, thats why we did not make big success with it. Maybe also because I did not show it the right way at the right time to the right people that could have manufactured it in their polyphonic guitar systems. Paradis pretends to reissue those products. More about it: http://matthias.grob.org/pParad/Parad.htm For my music, I never switch the Polysubbass off, its a part of my instrument. And I create all bass lines with it. For the really fat, ritch basses, I use the pitch shifter of the PCM80 in addition to go another octave down and get a parallel sound reminding of the several basses in the classical orchestra. Have a listen to it on my music page http://matthias.grob.org/pMusic/CDsE.htm As said, the effect is on all samples to some degree. The samples with Marcio Miranda (lower part of the page) show the bass line side in a rather common ambience of keyboards and percussion. On http://matthias.grob.org/pMusic/ppSound/MirFuncs.mp3 you hear a relaxed bass line. http://matthias.grob.org/pMusic/ppSound/MirSals.mp3 is a more agitated one. On http://matthias.grob.org/pMusic/ppSound/MirPai.mp3 you hear it making the lower distorted notes fat. On http://matthias.grob.org/pMusic/ppSound/ChinFin.mp3 you hear Polysubbass in a bass line fragment in the first part and a fat bass with PCM80 in the second part. Mind that its the final part of a 25' piece. On http://matthias.grob.org/pMusic/ppSound/RioProf.mp3, there is also the PCM80, very heavy. Mind also, that all this music is improvised and mixed live with only one loop unit! This reminds me that I should record what I do now... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 23:28:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23529; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 23:24:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 23:24:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f801c14314$ad7ad600$465ed9c8@r5f3d1> From: "IG2" To: References: <009201c142d0$d4235280$b9168bd1@Douglas> Subject: Re: OT:Octave choice Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 00:12:14 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C2_01C142FB.3BA3CE60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01C142FB.3BA3CE60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i been tryng a Dan Oct and a Dan Oct + Fuzz ... the little ones ... but = the salesman gave me a micro amp (...) with a 8'' speaker anyway ... = are you commenting on these little Dan ? the oct+fuzz sound noisy but = funny... the oct one sound just correct , (but it's half the price of a = Boss ) ... good health ! julio ----- Original Message -----=20 From: K. Douglas Baldwin=20 To: Loopers-Delight=20 Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 4:08 PM Subject: Re: OT:Octave choice I've had no experience with the Dan-o octaver or DOD, but I've used = the Boss, and its tracking is spotty in the extreme ranges. For the bucks = I'd go with the Digitech Whammy. I demo'd the original (and most popular) = model back in the day when it first came out, but by the time I ordered it, = it had morphed into the somewhat unpopular black model. I have zero = complaints with it.It generates one ovave up, two octaves up, and one octave down from = the original pitch. Additionally, it generates a mix of one octave up and = one octave down in conjunction with the original signal. And then of = course there are all the other intervals it will generate along with the zany pedal-portamento effect. I believe the newest (and slightly more = popular) model has the "dive bomb" pitch effect which drops the sound five = octaves or so, sounding like a turntablist putting the brakes on vinyl if you = play it right. Or for those whose hair resembles a poodle's, sounding like = Eddie Van slamming his Floyd Rose into the face of his custom Strat. If you add up all the octave possibilities and it's ability to = track single note lines really well AND its cool glitchiness when you feed = it a comlex chord, its possibly the best bank-per-buck octaver out there. ------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01C142FB.3BA3CE60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
i  been tryng a Dan Oct and a Dan = Oct + Fuzz=20 ... the little ones ... but the salesman gave me a micro amp (...) =  with a=20 8'' speaker anyway ... are you commenting on these little Dan ? the = oct+fuzz=20 sound noisy but funny... the oct  one sound just correct , (but = it's half=20 the price of a Boss ) ... good health !
julio
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 K. Douglas Baldwin =
To: Loopers-Delight =
Sent: Friday, September 21, = 2001 4:08=20 PM
Subject: Re: OT:Octave = choice

I've had no experience with the Dan-o octaver or DOD, = but I've=20 used the
Boss, and its tracking is spotty in the extreme ranges. = For the=20 bucks I'd go
with the Digitech Whammy. I demo'd the original (and = most=20 popular) model
back in the day when it first came out, but by the = time I=20 ordered it, it had
morphed into the somewhat unpopular black model. = I have=20 zero complaints with
it.It generates one ovave up, two octaves up, = and one=20 octave down from the
original pitch. Additionally, it generates a = mix of=20 one octave up and one
octave down in conjunction with the original = signal.=20 And then of course
there are all the other intervals it will = generate along=20 with the zany
pedal-portamento effect. I believe the newest (and = slightly=20 more popular)
model has the "dive bomb" pitch effect which drops = the sound=20 five octaves or
so, sounding like a turntablist putting the brakes = on vinyl=20 if you play it
right. Or for those whose hair resembles a poodle's, = sounding like Eddie Van
slamming his Floyd Rose into the face of = his custom=20 Strat.
    If you add up all the octave = possibilities and=20 it's ability to track
single note lines really well AND its cool=20 glitchiness when you feed it a
comlex chord, its possibly the best=20 bank-per-buck octaver out = there.


------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01C142FB.3BA3CE60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 23:43:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24137; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 23:38:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 23:38:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010922033732.95664.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 20:37:32 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: midi merging To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <5Os-n.A.h4F.9dAr7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, here's the deal... I need to merge midi pc/cc from my PC1600x, midi clock from my EDP, & midi note from a Roland GI-10, so that all go to the midi input of my JKJ CV-5 Midi/CV converter. I also want to merge the EDP's midi clock & the GI-10's midi note, to go to the midi in of an Oberheim Drummer. The best thing I can think of to this point is to use a Midi Solutions Quadra Merge to connect the 3 midi outs to the CV-5's in & them use the CV-5's midi thru to feed the Obie Drummer. Can anyone here vouch for the Quadra Merge &/or recommend another device to meet my needs? Many thanks. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 22 01:57:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA31188; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 01:53:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 01:53:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010920100751.04585ee8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 22:50:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: dt harmony-central repeater review In-Reply-To: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB89D@migarexch01.marit z.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <9ftp4D.A.0mH.rcCr7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com about conflicts of interest and reviews, from the other day: At 03:51 PM 9/19/2001, you wrote: >i don't know about that, i just forwarded the info and didn't give it much >thought. > >do you mean cause he beta-tested it? i guess you could ask kim if dt had >any input into the edp and whether or not a review of his would be >considered a conflict (not trying to be weird, just wondering out loud) . >. . i don't know the niceties of this. > I think there is a lot of possibility for conflict of interest in this, and harmony-central makes it pretty easy for that to slip by. I think it is ok so long as the reviewer is up-front about their relationship with the manufacturer. Then the reader of the review can judge for themselves and decide if they find it useful and believable. Ultimately, that is what is important, and deceiving people is bad. It is not bad for people with useful information or opinions to provide it to the world, and I don't think people should have to keep quiet because of whatever position they have. They just have to make it clear what that position is. For example, I am currently troubled by one of the repeater reviews submitted to me for the Looper's Delight site. The person did a nice job, and responded to my editorial input with a revision. But they also noted in passing that they were currently negotiating with Electrix for some job or business relationship or something. Coincidentally (or not, hard to say...), the review was overwhelmingly positive, and the person did not want it revealed to the public that they were dealing with Electrix since some negotiations weren't closed yet and they feared spoiling the deal. I can understand the person's position, but I just don't feel comfortable with publishing their review unless I can also provide some disclaimer about the person's relationship to Electrix. It would seem deceptive otherwise, even if the person does not mean it that way at all. It just leaves me wondering how much their desire to get on Electrix' good side is coloring their review. They may be completely honest, but people should at least have enough information to make that judgement. On harmony-central such a review would simply go up on the site unquestioned. (in fact, it did.) Similarly, the somewhat anonymous nature of harmony-central leaves other reviews in doubt because there is no way to know who wrote it or question the person about anything they said. So sometimes you end up being suspicious of a review that is perfectly legit, as one Repeater reviewer there is of another review that was rather harsh. They suspect the negative guy is from a competitor, which I know they are not since that same person sent me a review as well. (I guess that even makes the competitors look bad even when they didn't do anything.) Or other times people post things that are flat out wrong and there is no effective way for the manufacturer to really address it. (as I found while reading the repeater reviews there, a couple say some pretty odd things about the edp but there is no email address so I can't even ask them about it. I'm particularly irked by the guy who says getting support for the edp is impossible, when we've been here diligently answering thousands of questions for years and there was always phone support available even when production was stopped. geez, can't get no respect. :-) It is what it is I suppose, hopefully people are bright enough to figure that out when they read things there. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 22 03:07:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03107; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 03:04:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 03:04:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.65.178.224] From: "Barry M" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: dt harmony-central repeater review Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 07:02:21 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Sep 2001 07:02:22.0027 (UTC) FILETIME=[86B231B0:01C14334] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So what we are saying is that Mr. Torn was swayed to the dark side side by the true Electrix emperor: Bowie thus leaving the list. He is now trying to use the Jedi mind trick through surreptitious user reviews on Harmony central to convince us all to buy the Repeaters so he can forfill the plot by Electrix to overthrow the looping community? B _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 22 03:29:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03894; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 03:26:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 03:26:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010922002206.025a81f8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 00:23:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: dt harmony-central repeater review In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com no, I'm pretty sure that's not what we're saying, but it sure sounds a lot more exciting. kim At 12:02 AM 9/22/2001, Barry M wrote: >So what we are saying is that Mr. Torn was swayed to the dark side side by >the true Electrix emperor: Bowie thus leaving the list. He is now trying >to use the Jedi mind trick through surreptitious user reviews on Harmony >central to convince us all to buy the Repeaters so he can forfill the plot >by Electrix to overthrow the looping community? > >B > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 22 07:07:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA13930; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 07:04:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 07:04:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <10c.5e16c4a.28ddc9b8@aol.com> Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 07:02:16 EDT Subject: Re: MAM nearly OnT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com MAM gear So there's other folks out there who use this stuff! I use the Warp 9 filter for a selection of psuedo-synth sounds which layer up well in the loopers. The R3 Resonator is about the best for processing a looped drone. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 22 07:07:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA13945; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 07:05:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 07:05:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <12d.4ee21ca.28ddc9b7@aol.com> Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 07:02:15 EDT Subject: Re: OT:Octave choice To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Octave pedals. analog - uses a simple divider circuit, so produces a synth sound unrelated to the timbre of the input. (although some have an output which tracks the input in volume) These have a very fast response. They don't do chords. May have very irregular tracking. digital - complex process, so you always get a delay. Signal output attempts to sound like the input slowed down. Will work with chords, but will be optimised for either single notes or chords. Always tracks, but signal may be broken up. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 22 08:37:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA17882; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 08:34:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 08:34:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BAC857B.1B1D549F@bellatlantic.net> Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 08:35:07 -0400 From: Greg Waltzer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: midi merging References: <20010922033732.95664.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've used the quadramerge for a while now and it works perfectly. BTW I'm also using a pc1600x to control the CV-5, let me know if you want to share ideas. John Tidwell wrote: > OK, here's the deal... > > I need to merge midi pc/cc from my PC1600x, midi clock > from my EDP, & midi note from a Roland GI-10, so that > all go to the midi input of my JKJ CV-5 Midi/CV > converter. > > I also want to merge the EDP's midi clock > & the GI-10's midi note, to go to the midi in of an > Oberheim Drummer. > > The best thing I can think of to this point is to use > a Midi Solutions Quadra Merge to connect the 3 midi > outs to the CV-5's in & them use the CV-5's midi thru > to feed the Obie Drummer. > > Can anyone here vouch for the Quadra Merge &/or > recommend another device to meet my needs? > > Many thanks. > > John > > ===== > John Tidwell > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 22 11:48:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27533; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 11:44:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 11:44:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.173.42.242] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT:Octave choice Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 11:42:09 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Sep 2001 15:42:10.0102 (UTC) FILETIME=[243CC560:01C1437D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com my friend picked up the older (grey) EBS box for $98. Tracked really well & seemed a little better then the new black box. strange? More natural sounding then the BOSS which is good for the synth bass sounds. cheers LOU _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 22 12:00:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28184; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 11:56:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 11:56:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.173.42.242] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Single rack mixers Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 11:54:50 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Sep 2001 15:54:50.0333 (UTC) FILETIME=[E95ED0D0:01C1437E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This Behringer seems to have a few more options then the Rane. Does it have a wall wort? My Rane once brew up at a gig & it's power supply has a really strange phone jack in the back. so it might be time for an update. The passic that DT used a few years back seemed to have the right stuff but are really fragile. Has anyone tried the Rolls? I always see those listed in music supply catolog. cheers LOU _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 22 12:05:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29614; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 12:01:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 12:01:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BACB5B3.296DA79@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 09:00:51 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: dt harmony-central repeater review References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh brother. Barry M wrote: > So what we are saying is that Mr. Torn was swayed to the dark side side by > the true Electrix emperor: Bowie thus leaving the list. He is now trying to > use the Jedi mind trick through surreptitious user reviews on Harmony > central to convince us all to buy the Repeaters so he can forfill the plot > by Electrix to overthrow the looping community? > > B > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 22 13:02:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00443; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 12:59:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 12:59:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.65.178.224] From: "Barry M" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: dt harmony-central repeater review Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 16:57:07 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Sep 2001 16:57:08.0192 (UTC) FILETIME=[9D4ED600:01C14387] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I read all the reviews on harmony and I don't see what the talk of "conflict of interest" is about. David seems to make it quite clear that his opinion is true and from his genuine experience. I think it's pretty f**king cool that he is recording with Bowie and that he is using Repeater AND the EDP together. Which by the way I have heard is a full album collaboration. I mean TORN and BOWIE making an album together in looping madness. How come no one is talking about that!!! IMO it's a much more interesting topic then who's review is a conflict of interest. It's like an Eeyor e camp in hear or something. David Torn said >i use the repeater as an interactive loop-recording/writing/playback >device, along w/an EDP, a modified >pcm42, various analog delays, computer, >drumachines, tablamachine, etc..... >i have thus far used the repeater -effectively, i think- both at live >performances, and >rather intensively on recent recording sessions: >w/david bowie B _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 22 13:22:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01200; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 13:18:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 13:18:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BACC7B3.ADE73DD0@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 10:17:39 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: dt harmony-central repeater review References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010922002206.025a81f8@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think the overwhelmingly positive review that David gave was based on a reaction to an overwhelmingly (and in my opinion, inaccurate) review from another reader. He stated this. If he wasn't responding to that review, he probably would have talked about some of the negatives of the Repeater, as I did, but that's speculation. Anyway, if you read all the reviews, you get a much more clear idea of the possible REALITY. (if there is such a thing) Many moons ago, I used to sell consumer level audio gear. People would come in with their fresh Consumer Reports and go right to the Pioneer gear. I'm not sure how their consumer stuff is now, but in the late 80s it was CRAP. Really the worst receivers and amps we sold. Lot's of blinky lights though. I'm sure Consumer Reports MUST have been getting paid off by Pioneer. I could almost always show someone a similarly priced (but far lacking in the blinky lights dept.) Harmon Kardon version that ALWAYS blew the Pioneer piece away. Some would take the Consumer Reports as gospel, and buy Pioneer anyway. So... who can you trust? NO ONE! Well, that's not true. Buyer beware, though. I doesn't hurt to pay attention and check stuff out. I bought my Repeater from Rick at Banana's At Large. He's an EDP owner and seller. I could have bought either at that moment. I had the cash in hand. Rick talked VERY intelligently about looping, and both products. In two seconds, I could tell I was getting good information. He didn't pressure me at all. That's the kind of sales person I like. Basically, for me, the stereo and non volatile memory made the Repeater win over the EDP. I've been a little disappointed about the lack of a few features in it's current OS, and I think I made it clear in my post. Kim did not decide to publish my review, and that's fine, he's the editor... he's also the man who writes/wrote the software for the EDP. Conflict of interest? There's the possibility of it, but I don't see it. I was able to duplicate the problems that Kim found easily. Was he a bit emotional about the Repeater's problems? Sure, but the EDPs throne is being challenged for it's first time. The EDP is his baby, so of course he'll be emotional, but at least he was accurate. Electrix has confirmed that there are indeed bugs in the 1.0 software, and will soon be releasing a fixed 1.1 OS. I've been very critical of Electix this whole time, and I will continue to be. Until the next OS is released, I can not say any more. Mark Kim Flint wrote: > no, I'm pretty sure that's not what we're saying, but it sure sounds a lot > more exciting. > kim > > At 12:02 AM 9/22/2001, Barry M wrote: > >So what we are saying is that Mr. Torn was swayed to the dark side side by > >the true Electrix emperor: Bowie thus leaving the list. He is now trying > >to use the Jedi mind trick through surreptitious user reviews on Harmony > >central to convince us all to buy the Repeaters so he can forfill the plot > >by Electrix to overthrow the looping community? > > > >B > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 22 15:53:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09441; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 15:50:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 15:50:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002801c1439f$6d9002a0$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> From: "David Beardsley" To: Subject: new Microtones list at Yahoo email lists Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 15:47:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0025_01C1437D.E4900020" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C1437D.E4900020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is a one time emailing, sorry for the intrusion. 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------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C1437D.E4900020-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 22 16:25:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11762; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 16:22:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 16:22:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: RE: Single rack mixers Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 22:23:19 +0200 Message-ID: <000201c143a4$6c194ee0$0301a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lou, Behringers have no wallwarts ever. Most devices (the 19''-Stuff) have integrated psus, while the bigger consoles have external psus, but no wallwarts. Those among you doing these strange "out in the country" stuff with all their gear running of accumulators might also take a look at Behringer's new compact mixer (Eurorack MXB1002 or something) - a battery-powerable mixer with two mono, three stereo channels plus a stereo return, inserts for the mono channels, two auxes and phantom power. Cheers, Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs > -----Original Message----- > From: Louis Rossi [mailto:tarbit@hotmail.com] > Sent: Samstag, 22. September 2001 17:55 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Single rack mixers > > > This Behringer seems to have a few more options then the > Rane. Does it have > a wall wort? > My Rane once brew up at a gig & it's power supply has a > really strange phone > jack in the back. so it might be time for an update. The > passic that DT used > a few years back seemed to have the right stuff but are > really fragile. > Has anyone tried the Rolls? I always see those listed in music supply > catolog. > > cheers > LOU > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 22 19:31:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21437; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 19:27:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 19:27:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000001c14385$227e52e0$1f729818@default> From: "Daniel" To: References: <7a.1b2658cc.28dd7ab6@aol.com> Subject: Re: [Bowie-List] avant garde guitarrist to work with David Bowie Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 10:21:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0083_01C14350.500787C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0083_01C14350.500787C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry according to Pat Mastelotto, it's Jimmy Chamberlain ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ziggystaardust@aol.com=20 To: Bowie-List@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 11:25 PM Subject: Re: [Bowie-List] avant garde guitarrist to work with David = Bowie In a message dated 9/19/01 3:56:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, = moncayo@vtr.net=20 writes: > So as well as working with Visconti and Billy Chamberlain with have = One who=20 > has worked with David Sylvian, Mick Karn and Tony levin with Bill = Bruford. 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> So as well as working with Visconti and Billy=20 Chamberlain with have One who
> has worked with David Sylvian, = Mick=20 Karn and Tony levin with Bill Bruford.

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Jen

>  =
>  i=20 have thus far used the repeater -effectively, i think- both at live =
>=20 performances, and
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------=_NextPart_000_0083_01C14350.500787C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 22 20:59:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25651; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 20:56:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 20:56:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010922171936.0471fec8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 17:30:33 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: dt harmony-central repeater review In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:57 AM 9/22/2001, Barry M wrote: >I read all the reviews on harmony and I don't see what the talk of >"conflict of interest" is about. David seems to make it quite clear that >his opinion is true and from his genuine experience. you seem to be drawing some conclusions that have nothing to do with what anybody said. I don't think anybody was challenging the honesty of david's review. if anything, I thought the opposite was said. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 22 20:59:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25649; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 20:56:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 20:56:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010922155352.0441ff70@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 17:53:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: dt harmony-central repeater review In-Reply-To: <3BACC7B3.ADE73DD0@zerocrossing.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010922002206.025a81f8@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:17 AM 9/22/2001, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Kim did not decide to publish my review, and >that's fine, he's the editor... he's also the man who writes/wrote the >software for the EDP. Conflict of interest? There's the possibility of it, >but I don't see it. hold on, what? I never made any such decision! I have several Repeater reviews that I have received for the web site, including yours Mark. Some are positive, some negative, some balanced. In fact, I thought yours was probably the best I've received. I just don't have time in my life right now to be updating web sites every day, so I have to wait until I do have that time to put it together. Please don't take that as meaning I decided not to use something! They will all get up there eventually, with the possible exception of the other review I mentioned where I have some issues with it. I also frequently ask people questions about their reviews to give them an opportunity to revise it and make it as complete as possible. I do this because I hope to make the reviews on Looper's Delight as useful to the looping community as possible. And I definitely recognize my own conflicts of interest in this. That is why you won't see any reviews of mine published on the LD web site, although I do sometimes make comments on the list. I assume that comments I make on the list can be easily challenged or addressed by anybody who wants to do that. And indeed, that happens. That is one reason why I don't moderate anything here. I've also never withheld anything from publishing on the site because of any interests of opinions of mine. I try to keep these things as separate as I am able to. Indeed, the biggest conflict I have is my time, in weighing the time I spend on LD vs. my current job at a really intense startup vs. work for Aurisis and the Echoplex vs. my own personal life. The only thing that actually makes me any money out of those four is my job, so that's where most of the time goes. :-) It goes deeper than just my background of involvement in the EDP, as I do receive money for advertising on Looper's Delight from a variety of companies whose products are discussed here. Since I've been actively seeking such revenues in the past six months or so as a means to pay the growing costs of the site, the amounts have been getting larger. (Not very much though. :-( I still lose quite a bit of money on all of this.) So I have conflicts of interest there as well, where I need to try to maintain integrity and honesty of the site while receiving wildly varying amounts of money from various companies represented there. I desperately need that income to pay for things, so I frequently find myself questioning my own actions and whether they are influenced by money promised or received, or likewise, whether they might threaten future income that I need. My approach so far has been to continue being myself, because I think anything else is dishonest. I also think that the site is only interesting to people in the world so long as it is honest and informative, and that maintaining that will keep people coming, which will then attract more advertising money to pay for it. I think people can see through bullshit pretty easily, so I don't try to give them any. But I do continue asking myself these questions, and you can feel free to do the same. I would rather put everything out there for people to make their own judgements. In the case of the Repeater, I actually own two of them, so I'm probably more invested in Electrix and the Repeater than most people here. So if I'm an owner and a user of something, I guess I think I should get to speak my opinions of it same as anybody else. In fact, I think the cost of those Repeaters is greater than any money I've ever personally earned from LD or the EDP. (both of which are things I've spent far more on than I've ever earned.) so where does that leave me? :-) oh, BTW, it is Matthias who mainly writes the Echoplex software, and occasionally Eric. I don't do software, just hardware and business stuff. >I was able to duplicate the problems that Kim found >easily. Was he a bit emotional about the Repeater's problems? Sure, but the >EDPs throne is being challenged for it's first time. The EDP is his baby, so >of course he'll be emotional, but at least he was accurate. That is probably a truthful assessment, although the EDP has been getting challenged for years for some reason or another. I did have a whole post of good things to say about the repeater too: http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200109/msg00353.html I basically like the repeater, and think it's a great product, although with some flaws. But I do think the looping market is really confused about what the Repeater is all about. To me that is the main source of frustration. After using them both, I find the Repeater and EDP don't have very much in common, so I don't really see them as much in competition. It is only in a confused market that they compete. Some people seem to have convinced themselves that the Repeater is the same type of device as the echoplex or jamman or dl-4, etc., and bought it for those reasons or as a replacement for those things. They want it to be an echoplex/jamman performance-oriented looper with new features added. Repeater isn't like that, and when they try to use it that way they get very frustrated and have some really negative reactions. People who grok Repeater as more of a recording or remix tool based in looping principles seem to like it (and don't seem to understand where the negative reactions come from). Likewise, people who never understood that the echoplex was entirely designed as a live performance instrument and instead tried to use it as a recording tool have often been frustrated by it as well. In the current case, I think Electrix could probably do a better job of setting people's expectations for what the Repeater is all about. So far they have had a tendency to promise everything to everybody, which they obviously can't deliver on. And they haven't done anything to stop people thinking it would be the ultra-jamman or something like that. Leaving the market confused probably results in better sales in the short term, but some of those buyers are going to be unhappy and that comes back to hurt Electrix. In the long term I think it is better if everybody who buys the Repeater understands it to begin with, and then gets what they thought they were getting. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 22 21:05:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA27177; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 21:03:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 21:03:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010922205815.007e9c70@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 20:58:15 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: [Bowie-List] avant garde guitarrist to work with David Bowie In-Reply-To: <000001c14385$227e52e0$1f729818@default> References: <7a.1b2658cc.28dd7ab6@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Next thing we know, someone will give drum credits to WILT Chamberlain. -t At 10:21 AM 9/22/01 -0600, you wrote: > Sorry according to Pat Mastelotto, it's Jimmy Chamberlain ----- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 22 21:20:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA27662; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 21:17:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 21:17:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010922211223.007eae80@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 21:12:23 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: OT: Pedal unity gain mod question In-Reply-To: <002801c1439f$6d9002a0$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <18lhqB.A.vvG.xfTr7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry for the off-topickedness, but would anyone happen to know a simple mod that would allow me to turn a pedal's 'drive' pot lower than zero? Specifically, the pedal is a cheapo Danelectro 'Rocky Road' Leslie simulator, which (much to my disbelief) actually sounds quite good, but the volume difference between 'off' and 'on' is driving me nuts. I've got the 'drive' control all the way counterclockwise, but it needs more attenuation. Would a resistor added to the pot's output do it? If so, what value would be a typical starting point for such an application? -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 22 22:17:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30924; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 22:15:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 22:15:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c143e7$870d80c0$1f729818@default> From: "Daniel" To: Subject: Fw: "." Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 22:23:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C143B5.3A217FA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C143B5.3A217FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: adam ant=20 To: moncayo@vtr.net=20 Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 2:26 AM Subject: "." Vincent Gallo's new album "When" will be released on Sept 24th. "Dear Vincent Gallo, Thank you for the tape which I am listening to at = this moment. All the best for 1983 and forever. - William S. Burroughs"=20 These words were handwritten graciously on a postcard to Vincent Gallo = in January 1983 - a postcard that he still shows off proudly to this = day. Proud perhaps because it came to him from a literary genius - a man = that he knew personally and respected, or because it=20 also puts some perspective on his own culturally rich background and = unique vision that stretches back to his adolescence in the 1970s.=20 Born in Buffalo, New York, 1961 - Vincent Vito Gallo grew up in a = culturally diverse Buffalo neighbourhood. He was playing bass in several = different bands before he ever appeared on a single frame of celluloid = as the actor for which he is better known today.=20 Gallo held down the basslines in local New York bands such as THE GOOD, = THE PLASTICS, I'LL WEAR YOU, THE NONSEXUALS, and a short-lived band = called GRAY that claimed residence in the famed MUDD CLUB of New York's = early underground scene.=20 The list of people that Gallo socialized with at the time reads like a = who's who of 80's pop culture. Pop icon Madonna was a regular in the = popular MUDD CLUB and once dated Gallo's GRAY band mate Jean Michel = Basquiat who would later gain notoriety for his neo-expressionist = paintings that included collaborations with Andy Warhol and Julian = Schnabel. According to Vincent Gallo, GRAY never recorded any material = together. Their performances were mostly limited to the MUDD CLUB stage = and it would not be until 1983, with his band BOHACK, that Gallo would = release his first-ever recordings on vinyl.=20 Bohack was comprised of 3 members: Vincent Gallo, Claudia Porcelli, and = friend and former GRAY alum, Wayne Richard Clifford. It may be the = ultimate understatement to call their first and only record = "experimental." It is quite possible that the album, titled "IT=20 TOOK SEVERAL WIVES" is a recording that practically sets new precedence = for a category of experimental music unto itself. The album's track = titles borrow from a style made famous by William Burroughs known as = "cut-up" - essentially, fragmented and incomplete phrases lifted from = printed sources. Titles such as "The Rock of Joe the Dog Crowd Noticed" = and "Shot Himself After Falling 3 Days," all phrases that appear = completely meaningless out of context. Meanwhile, the music on this = record is equally fascinating and perplexing. It meanders through layers = of spliced sections with hints to the type of sampling and loops that = would not be fully explored in the music scene until much later in the = decade.=20 Bohack's recordings are to the analog world what these contemporary = electronica works are to the digital. Layers of tribal chants and = rhythms are assembled around machine-like drum patterns. The drum sounds = emanate from instruments that sound as if they could be everyday found = objects rather than conventional snares, bass and tom-tom - perhaps = steel oil drums, tins, boxes, or mechanical devices at work in some dank = and dusty factory. Curiosity is immediately piqued from the moment that = your ears begin to soak in the music. The pulsating sounds have an = almost eerie ability to lure you in from one track to the next. The = tracks play out like cinema in the manner by which the songs illustrate = moods and generate scenes that will almost irresistibly play out images = within your mind's eye. Ambient to a nearly hypnotic degree, the music = seems to play an unfamiliar game of cat-and-mouse with melody. A brief = melodic interlude will leap out in fleeting moments before it will = succumb to crashing waves of beats=20 reverberating throughout the tracks and be lost for a while only to = reappear again sporadically. This recording exists as an uncanny = illustration of what William Burroughs' cut-up word format might be if = it were applied thoughtfully to sound. This sole recording by BOHACK may = even be the same one that Burroughs received from Gallo, thereby = eliciting the postcard from him that was cited earlier.=20 Nevertheless, it is clear that when it comes to music, Vincent Gallo is = following a road less travelled.=20 In 1983, director Eric Mitchell cast Vincent Gallo in his independent = film "THE WAY IT IS." Vincent would later be tapped by Mitchell to score = the film. Recognizing his talents and acute knowledge of tape recording = techniques, Mitchell also bestowed the score's engineering duties to = this 22-year-old monophonic wizard. With 4 previous short film scores = under his belt, Gallo went to work with his array of vintage instruments = and recording gear to produce a brooding, at times surreal, score for = the film. It would be the world's first glimpse of Vincent Gallo as a = solo artist. The score is a collection of beautiful melodies and = multi-tracked guitar work reminiscent of classical Italian pieces. Some = tracks seem to hark back to influences from the earlier BOHACK recording = with brief (sometimes 60 seconds or less) tracks utilizing repetitive, = yet sparse melodies on piano woven around static rim shots or simple = rhythmic beats. Other songs explore somewhat deeper moods with the = characteristic sounds of Gallo's vintage Gibson guitars layered into = multiple tracks and playing off each other in an almost conversational = manner. One track in particular, "And A Colored Sky Colored Grey," = interestingly reappears in slightly altered form including vocals 14 = years later on the soundtrack to "Buffalo 66." In the song Gallo = professes his inescapable tag as the "Lonely Boy" forever destined to be = the chairman of the lonely-hearts club. Hearing the instrumental take of = this track on "THE WAY IT IS" makes one realize that the lyrics were = always there. The guitar notes expressed the words to this song just as = clearly in 1984 as they would in the 1990s when Gallo applied his vocals = to the song.=20 This is Vincent Gallo's unique ability with guitar.=20 He can present melody in a form that speaks to you with sound. You feel = his mood as if it were being transmitted to your brain's synapse = directly through sound waves. This particular song was not the only one = that would be revisited, in fact, a few of the score's compositions = would resurface a decade and a half later as tracks on Gallo's = soundtrack for his directing debut film, "Buffalo '66".=20 "Buffalo '66" left little room for indecision. If you saw this movie you = either loved it or hated it. The soundtrack revealed Gallo's = long-standing love for prog rock as it was peppered with King Crimson's = "Moonchild" and not one, but two songs by the band YES,=20 whose bassist (Chris Squire) Gallo has idolized since his youth. These = tracks are placed amongst his own solo compositions, and an early cover = of a classic song by Johnny Mercer called "Fools Rush In" as sung by = none other than Gallo's own father, Vincent Gallo, Sr.=20 The soundtrack even hints at Gallo's jazz influences with the inclusion = of tonal master Stan Getz and his composition "I Remember When".=20 "Buffalo '66" won over some critical acclaim, but it was Gallo's unique = soundtrack that brought the music oriented dimension of his talents to = the forefront. The original Gallo compositions on this release will = remind listeners of his earlier score for 'THE WAY IT IS" - at least = those fortunate enough to find a copy. At least 3 of the soundtrack's 13 = songs are from that 1984 score for Eric Mitchell. They appear remixed = and possibly reworked somewhat from their original=20 form with Gallo often adding instruments or vocals to the mix.=20 Once again, the mood so vividly captured in the "BUFFALO 66" film is = expressed with equal clarity here in the soundtrack. Subtle touches like = the intermittent pop or click of tape static or vinyl acetates left = unscathed by the digital enhancements that tend to suck the true soul of = a sound away. Namely, the song by Gallo's father is striking in that it = is presented precisely as it sounds on it's original vinyl format, so = for 3 minutes and 4 seconds your cd player spins the warm tones of vinyl = replete with the crackles and pops. Vincent has now managed to skilfully = master the art of sensory manipulation with his incredible attention to = nuances in both film and sound that most musicians and directors in his = field can only dream about.=20 Shortly after completing work on the "BUFFALO 66" film project, Gallo = met fellow actor Lukas Haas at a photo shoot and the two discovered a = mutual love for playing guitar and vintage recording gear. Within hours = they were jamming in Gallo's L.A. home, and formed his most recent band = called BUNNY. The pair performed a handful of small club shows in Japan = where Gallo has a strong cult following, and were known to play sporadic = gigs in their hometown of Los Angeles, CA - often attracting many of = their celebrity friends and musicians such as Marilyn Manson, John = Frusciante, David Arquette, Stephen Dorff and=20 Johnny Ramone.=20 A recording was produced from this pair in 1999, and a major label = agreed to release it, but the deal fell through in time and the = recording seems to now be indefinitely shelved. One song, however, was = eventually released last year on an obscure Los Angeles college radio = compilation cd. This track titled "How Long" was recorded live=20 in the KXLU FM studio, and revealed that Vincent Gallo and Lukas Haas = were taking a more prog rock approach to the compositions. The song = takes on the tempo of a love ballad. A steady strumming chord = progression starts slowly and gives rise ever so steadily to the=20 pace of a locomotive train pulling out from the station. All the while, = Haas delivers a soft and breathy falsetto vocal over the duo's combined = acoustic guitar efforts. The lyrics are pleading to an unknown subject = about the prospects of an enduring relationship. All the ingredients of = a truly unique and passionate Vincent Gallo composition are present. If = this song is any indication of the direction Gallo is heading with his = music then the future holds an exciting frontier for the admirers of his = distinctive sound.=20 A renaissance man of sorts, by Y2K Gallo had already painted several = fine works and was represented by one of New York's finest art = galleries, he had released four records, held guest spots in a couple TV = episodes and starring roles in over 20 feature films, then he directed = and wrote his own motion picture. His detractors often find him = arrogant, rude and more abrasive than a Brillo pad. While his admirers = view him as uncompromisingly honest, real and brilliant. Yet, regardless = of how you feel about Vincent Gallo, its practically undeniable and = unanimously acknowledged that he wields incredible talent. He is an = artist that creates art for the sake of the art itself. He remains true = to his distinctive form and style. Whether Vincent Gallo is creating his = work in music or film, he is forever focused on maintaining the key = nuances so frequently lost in these art=20 forms today.=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C143B5.3A217FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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From: adam ant=20
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 2:26 AM
Subject: "."

Vincent Gallo's new album "When" will be released on Sept=20 24th.

"Dear Vincent Gallo, Thank you for the tape which I am = listening to=20 at this moment. All the best for 1983 and forever. - William S. = Burroughs"=20

These words were handwritten graciously on a postcard to Vincent = Gallo=20 in January 1983 - a postcard that he still shows off proudly to this = day. Proud=20 perhaps because it came to him from a literary genius - a man that he = knew=20 personally and respected, or because it
also puts some perspective = on his=20 own culturally rich background and unique vision that stretches back to = his=20 adolescence in the 1970s.

Born in Buffalo, New York, 1961 - = Vincent Vito=20 Gallo grew up in a culturally diverse Buffalo neighbourhood. He was = playing bass=20 in several different bands before he ever appeared on a single frame of=20 celluloid as the actor for which he is better known today.
Gallo = held down=20 the basslines in local New York bands such as THE GOOD, THE PLASTICS, = I'LL WEAR=20 YOU, THE NONSEXUALS, and a short-lived band called GRAY that claimed = residence=20 in the famed MUDD CLUB of New York's early underground scene.
The = list of=20 people that Gallo socialized with at the time reads like a who's who of = 80's pop=20 culture. Pop icon Madonna was a regular in the popular MUDD CLUB and = once dated=20 Gallo's GRAY band mate Jean Michel Basquiat who would later gain = notoriety for=20 his neo-expressionist paintings that included collaborations with Andy = Warhol=20 and Julian Schnabel. According to Vincent Gallo, GRAY never recorded any = material together. Their performances were mostly limited to the MUDD = CLUB stage=20 and it would not be until 1983, with his band BOHACK, that Gallo would = release=20 his first-ever recordings on vinyl.

Bohack was comprised of 3 = members:=20 Vincent Gallo, Claudia Porcelli, and friend and former GRAY alum, Wayne = Richard=20 Clifford. It may be the ultimate understatement to call their first and = only=20 record "experimental." It is quite possible that the album, titled "IT =
TOOK=20 SEVERAL WIVES" is a recording that practically sets new precedence for a = category of experimental music unto itself. The album's track titles = borrow from=20 a style made famous by William Burroughs known as "cut-up" - = essentially,=20 fragmented and incomplete phrases lifted from printed sources. Titles = such as=20 "The Rock of Joe the Dog Crowd Noticed" and "Shot Himself After Falling = 3 Days,"=20 all phrases that appear completely meaningless out of context. = Meanwhile, the=20 music on this record is equally fascinating and perplexing. It meanders = through=20 layers of spliced sections with hints to the type of sampling and loops = that=20 would not be fully explored in the music scene until much later in the = decade.=20

Bohack's recordings are to the analog world what these = contemporary=20 electronica works are to the digital. Layers of tribal chants and = rhythms are=20 assembled around machine-like drum patterns. The drum sounds emanate = from=20 instruments that sound as if they could be everyday found objects rather = than=20 conventional snares, bass and tom-tom - perhaps steel oil drums, tins, = boxes, or=20 mechanical devices at work in some dank and dusty factory. Curiosity is=20 immediately piqued from the moment that your ears begin to soak in the = music.=20 The pulsating sounds have an almost eerie ability to lure you in from = one track=20 to the next. The tracks play out like cinema in the manner by which the = songs=20 illustrate moods and generate scenes that will almost irresistibly play = out=20 images within your mind's eye. Ambient to a nearly hypnotic degree, the = music=20 seems to play an unfamiliar game of cat-and-mouse with melody. A brief = melodic=20 interlude will leap out in fleeting moments before it will succumb to = crashing=20 waves of beats
reverberating throughout the tracks and be lost for a = while=20 only to reappear again sporadically. This recording exists as an uncanny = illustration of what William Burroughs' cut-up word format might be if = it were=20 applied thoughtfully to sound. This sole recording by BOHACK may even be = the=20 same one that Burroughs received from Gallo, thereby eliciting the = postcard from=20 him that was cited earlier.

Nevertheless, it is clear that when = it comes=20 to music, Vincent Gallo is following a road less travelled.

In = 1983,=20 director Eric Mitchell cast Vincent Gallo in his independent film "THE = WAY IT=20 IS." Vincent would later be tapped by Mitchell to score the film. = Recognizing=20 his talents and acute knowledge of tape recording techniques, Mitchell = also=20 bestowed the score's engineering duties to this 22-year-old monophonic = wizard.=20 With 4 previous short film scores under his belt, Gallo went to work = with his=20 array of vintage instruments and recording gear to produce a brooding, = at times=20 surreal, score for the film. It would be the world's first glimpse of = Vincent=20 Gallo as a solo artist. The score is a collection of beautiful melodies = and=20 multi-tracked guitar work reminiscent of classical Italian pieces. Some = tracks=20 seem to hark back to influences from the earlier BOHACK recording with = brief=20 (sometimes 60 seconds or less) tracks utilizing repetitive, yet sparse = melodies=20 on piano woven around static rim shots or simple rhythmic beats. Other = songs=20 explore somewhat deeper moods with the characteristic sounds of Gallo's = vintage=20 Gibson guitars layered into multiple tracks and playing off each other = in an=20 almost conversational manner. One track in particular, "And A Colored = Sky=20 Colored Grey," interestingly reappears in slightly altered form = including vocals=20 14 years later on the soundtrack to "Buffalo 66." In the song Gallo = professes=20 his inescapable tag as the "Lonely Boy" forever destined to be the = chairman of=20 the lonely-hearts club. Hearing the instrumental take of this track on = "THE WAY=20 IT IS" makes one realize that the lyrics were always there. The guitar = notes=20 expressed the words to this song just as clearly in 1984 as they would = in the=20 1990s when Gallo applied his vocals to the song.

This is Vincent = Gallo's=20 unique ability with guitar.

He can present melody in a form that = speaks=20 to you with sound. You feel his mood as if it were being transmitted to = your=20 brain's synapse directly through sound waves. This particular song was = not the=20 only one that would be revisited, in fact, a few of the score's = compositions=20 would resurface a decade and a half later as tracks on Gallo's = soundtrack for=20 his directing debut film, "Buffalo '66".

"Buffalo '66" left = little room=20 for indecision. If you saw this movie you either loved it or hated it. = The=20 soundtrack revealed Gallo's long-standing love for prog rock as it was = peppered=20 with King Crimson's "Moonchild" and not one, but two songs by the band = YES,=20
whose bassist (Chris Squire) Gallo has idolized since his youth. = These=20 tracks are placed amongst his own solo compositions, and an early cover = of a=20 classic song by Johnny Mercer called "Fools Rush In" as sung by none = other than=20 Gallo's own father, Vincent Gallo, Sr.
The soundtrack even hints at = Gallo's=20 jazz influences with the inclusion of tonal master Stan Getz and his = composition=20 "I Remember When".

"Buffalo '66" won over some critical acclaim, = but it=20 was Gallo's unique soundtrack that brought the music oriented dimension = of his=20 talents to the forefront. The original Gallo compositions on this = release will=20 remind listeners of his earlier score for 'THE WAY IT IS" - at least = those=20 fortunate enough to find a copy. At least 3 of the soundtrack's 13 songs = are=20 from that 1984 score for Eric Mitchell. They appear remixed and possibly = reworked somewhat from their original
form with Gallo often adding=20 instruments or vocals to the mix.
Once again, the mood so vividly = captured=20 in the "BUFFALO 66" film is expressed with equal clarity here in the = soundtrack.=20 Subtle touches like the intermittent pop or click of tape static or = vinyl=20 acetates left unscathed by the digital enhancements that tend to suck = the true=20 soul of a sound away. Namely, the song by Gallo's father is striking in = that it=20 is presented precisely as it sounds on it's original vinyl format, so = for 3=20 minutes and 4 seconds your cd player spins the warm tones of vinyl = replete with=20 the crackles and pops. Vincent has now managed to skilfully master the = art of=20 sensory manipulation with his incredible attention to nuances in both = film and=20 sound that most musicians and directors in his field can only dream = about.=20

Shortly after completing work on the "BUFFALO 66" film project, = Gallo=20 met fellow actor Lukas Haas at a photo shoot and the two discovered a = mutual=20 love for playing guitar and vintage recording gear. Within hours they = were=20 jamming in Gallo's L.A. home, and formed his most recent band called = BUNNY. The=20 pair performed a handful of small club shows in Japan where Gallo has a = strong=20 cult following, and were known to play sporadic gigs in their hometown = of Los=20 Angeles, CA - often attracting many of their celebrity friends and = musicians=20 such as Marilyn Manson, John Frusciante, David Arquette, Stephen Dorff = and=20
Johnny Ramone.

A recording was produced from this pair in = 1999, and=20 a major label agreed to release it, but the deal fell through in time = and the=20 recording seems to now be indefinitely shelved. One song, however, was=20 eventually released last year on an obscure Los Angeles college radio=20 compilation cd. This track titled "How Long" was recorded live
in = the KXLU=20 FM studio, and revealed that Vincent Gallo and Lukas Haas were taking a = more=20 prog rock approach to the compositions. The song takes on the tempo of a = love=20 ballad. A steady strumming chord progression starts slowly and gives = rise ever=20 so steadily to the
pace of a locomotive train pulling out from the = station.=20 All the while, Haas delivers a soft and breathy falsetto vocal over the = duo's=20 combined acoustic guitar efforts. The lyrics are pleading to an unknown = subject=20 about the prospects of an enduring relationship. All the ingredients of = a truly=20 unique and passionate Vincent Gallo composition are present. If this = song is any=20 indication of the direction Gallo is heading with his music then the = future=20 holds an exciting frontier for the admirers of his distinctive sound. =

A=20 renaissance man of sorts, by Y2K Gallo had already painted several fine = works=20 and was represented by one of New York's finest art galleries, he had = released=20 four records, held guest spots in a couple TV episodes and starring = roles in=20 over 20 feature films, then he directed and wrote his own motion = picture. His=20 detractors often find him arrogant, rude and more abrasive than a Brillo = pad.=20 While his admirers view him as uncompromisingly honest, real and = brilliant. Yet,=20 regardless of how you feel about Vincent Gallo, its practically = undeniable and=20 unanimously acknowledged that he wields incredible talent. He is an = artist that=20 creates art for the sake of the art itself. He remains true to his = distinctive=20 form and style. Whether Vincent Gallo is creating his work in music or = film, he=20 is forever focused on maintaining the key nuances so frequently lost in = these=20 art
forms today.




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------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C143B5.3A217FA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 22 22:40:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31707; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 22:37:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 22:37:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BAD4AF1.97947D73@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 19:37:37 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: dt harmony-central repeater review References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010922002206.025a81f8@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20010922155352.0441ff70@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry Kim! I thought I was defending you ("Conflict of interest...I don't see it.") I'm not angry, about the Repeater Review, you seemed angry that people had done them for Harmony Central, and not LD. I forget not everyone is a slacker like me! There's no way I could keep a site like LD going! It seemed like you were anxious to get one, and I just thought you didn't think my review was deep enough. I admit, as a guitarist/synth guitarist, I don't really use the Repeater for it's remix/DJ capabilities (most of what it seems to be designed for, but more on that in a second post...). I would imagine someone who did a bit of both with the Repeater would have a more complete review. Anyway, no ego here, I really just thought my review was not all that comprehensive. I never have even tried to get something to synch to it's midi clock. I'm glad you liked it though, and post it away, whenever. Man, I totally appreciate LD and the amazing labor of love that it is. I don't think there's a day that goes by that I don't start a conversation with my wife that starts, "Oh there's this thread on the LD list..." She's actually thinking of joining in on the fun! So is my friend Dan, who I just spent the day with, going over the ins and outs of loop based music. So keep on keeping on Kim. If I were you, I'd review away and post it. Start with a disclaimer explaining what you do and who you are. I found your list posts about the Repeater to be EXTREMELY helpful. Who better to review such a device than someone who's been in the belly of the beast! Frankly, I think by pointing out serious flaws you most definitely helped Electrix. Moderator posts on their Repeater forum talk of correcting the flaws you brought up. Maybe Electrix will chip in for your site! They should! Mark Sottilaro Kim Flint wrote: > At 10:17 AM 9/22/2001, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > Kim did not decide to publish my review, and > >that's fine, he's the editor... he's also the man who writes/wrote the > >software for the EDP. Conflict of interest? There's the possibility of it, > >but I don't see it. > > hold on, what? I never made any such decision! I have several Repeater > reviews that I have received for the web site, including yours Mark. Some > are positive, some negative, some balanced. In fact, I thought yours was > probably the best I've received. I just don't have time in my life right > now to be updating web sites every day, so I have to wait until I do have > that time to put it together. Please don't take that as meaning I decided > not to use something! They will all get up there eventually, with the > possible exception of the other review I mentioned where I have some issues > with it. I also frequently ask people questions about their reviews to give > them an opportunity to revise it and make it as complete as possible. I do > this because I hope to make the reviews on Looper's Delight as useful to > the looping community as possible. > > And I definitely recognize my own conflicts of interest in this. That is > why you won't see any reviews of mine published on the LD web site, > although I do sometimes make comments on the list. I assume that comments I > make on the list can be easily challenged or addressed by anybody who wants > to do that. And indeed, that happens. That is one reason why I don't > moderate anything here. I've also never withheld anything from publishing > on the site because of any interests of opinions of mine. I try to keep > these things as separate as I am able to. Indeed, the biggest conflict I > have is my time, in weighing the time I spend on LD vs. my current job at a > really intense startup vs. work for Aurisis and the Echoplex vs. my own > personal life. The only thing that actually makes me any money out of those > four is my job, so that's where most of the time goes. :-) > > It goes deeper than just my background of involvement in the EDP, as I do > receive money for advertising on Looper's Delight from a variety of > companies whose products are discussed here. Since I've been actively > seeking such revenues in the past six months or so as a means to pay the > growing costs of the site, the amounts have been getting larger. (Not very > much though. :-( I still lose quite a bit of money on all of this.) So I > have conflicts of interest there as well, where I need to try to maintain > integrity and honesty of the site while receiving wildly varying amounts of > money from various companies represented there. I desperately need that > income to pay for things, so I frequently find myself questioning my own > actions and whether they are influenced by money promised or received, or > likewise, whether they might threaten future income that I need. My > approach so far has been to continue being myself, because I think anything > else is dishonest. I also think that the site is only interesting to people > in the world so long as it is honest and informative, and that maintaining > that will keep people coming, which will then attract more advertising > money to pay for it. I think people can see through bullshit pretty easily, > so I don't try to give them any. But I do continue asking myself these > questions, and you can feel free to do the same. I would rather put > everything out there for people to make their own judgements. > > In the case of the Repeater, I actually own two of them, so I'm probably > more invested in Electrix and the Repeater than most people here. So if I'm > an owner and a user of something, I guess I think I should get to speak my > opinions of it same as anybody else. In fact, I think the cost of those > Repeaters is greater than any money I've ever personally earned from LD or > the EDP. (both of which are things I've spent far more on than I've ever > earned.) so where does that leave me? :-) > > oh, BTW, it is Matthias who mainly writes the Echoplex software, and > occasionally Eric. I don't do software, just hardware and business stuff. > > >I was able to duplicate the problems that Kim found > >easily. Was he a bit emotional about the Repeater's problems? Sure, but the > >EDPs throne is being challenged for it's first time. The EDP is his baby, so > >of course he'll be emotional, but at least he was accurate. > > That is probably a truthful assessment, although the EDP has been getting > challenged for years for some reason or another. I did have a whole post of > good things to say about the repeater too: > http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200109/msg00353.html > > I basically like the repeater, and think it's a great product, although > with some flaws. But I do think the looping market is really confused about > what the Repeater is all about. To me that is the main source of > frustration. After using them both, I find the Repeater and EDP don't have > very much in common, so I don't really see them as much in competition. It > is only in a confused market that they compete. > > Some people seem to have convinced themselves that the Repeater is the same > type of device as the echoplex or jamman or dl-4, etc., and bought it for > those reasons or as a replacement for those things. They want it to be an > echoplex/jamman performance-oriented looper with new features added. > Repeater isn't like that, and when they try to use it that way they get > very frustrated and have some really negative reactions. People who grok > Repeater as more of a recording or remix tool based in looping principles > seem to like it (and don't seem to understand where the negative reactions > come from). Likewise, people who never understood that the echoplex was > entirely designed as a live performance instrument and instead tried to use > it as a recording tool have often been frustrated by it as well. > > In the current case, I think Electrix could probably do a better job of > setting people's expectations for what the Repeater is all about. So far > they have had a tendency to promise everything to everybody, which they > obviously can't deliver on. And they haven't done anything to stop people > thinking it would be the ultra-jamman or something like that. Leaving the > market confused probably results in better sales in the short term, but > some of those buyers are going to be unhappy and that comes back to hurt > Electrix. In the long term I think it is better if everybody who buys the > Repeater understands it to begin with, and then gets what they thought they > were getting. > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 22 23:07:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA02009; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 23:03:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 23:03:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BAD5128.713650F8@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 20:04:08 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater, visiting your loop's of yesterday... References: <000e01c143e7$870d80c0$1f729818@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So, I invited a friend over who's interested in learning about and making loop based music. I started with a basic drum machine lesson. After a nice beat was recorded, I stopped record mode and hit play... a loop I had made the night before, that I hadn't erased, started playing! (I had inadvertently cued it up) My old loop was now on a totally new drum pattern at a new tempo, and there was my good old loop, synched right up. Very interesting. I had never thought of starting a performance by improvising a loop, and come back to it at a later time in the performance, placed on top of a new beat. Maybe add a different bass line so that the tonal center is different. The possibilities... This is not a souped up JamMan. No sir. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 02:30:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA11857; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 02:26:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 02:26:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010923062528.87671.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 23:25:28 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: midi merging To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3BAC857B.1B1D549F@bellatlantic.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Greg. I needed a little reassurance before I actually ordered the thing. I've only had the PC-1600x for a few weeks, so I'm still learning my way around it. I wish I had bought one years ago. I can already tell that it's one of my smarter equipment purchases. I've had the CV-5 for a few years & I don't even own an analogue synth. I really like sending the LFO to various delay & multi-fx boxes. Now I can run the LFO thru the PC-1600x to reach devices that don't have a cv input. I wound up making my own sliding shelf to fit the PC-1600x into my rack case. All it took was $20, a trip to Lowe's, my dad's table saw, & a couple of hours. Because the bulk of my concoction sits in the bottom "dead space" of my SKB rack case, it only takes up about 1/2 space of the rack rails. Of course how much more rack space you need depends on what you put on the shelf. The PC-1600x doesn't take up much room, but the CV-5 is kind of thick. Anyway, thanks for your reply. John --- Greg Waltzer wrote: > I've used the quadramerge for a while now and it > works perfectly. > BTW I'm also using a pc1600x to control the CV-5, > let me know if > you want to share ideas. ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 02:43:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA12396; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 02:40:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 02:40:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 01:37:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200109230637.f8N6b0914940@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Andy Soto Subject: Re: new Microtones list at Yahoo email lists Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Very useful! thanx for the link!!! Andy At 03:47 p.m. 22/09/01 -0400, you wrote: >This is a one time emailing, sorry for the intrusion. > >The Microtones list was formed to keep interested parties informed >about the activities at FreeNote Music - microtonal instruments, recordings >and concerts, including the World Out of Tune Festival. > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/microtones > > >list moderator, > David Beardsley > > > > > > > >
This is a one time emailing, sorry for the >intrusion.
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The Microtones list was formed to keep interested >parties informed
about the activities at FreeNote Music - microtonal >instruments, recordings
and concerts, including the World Out of Tune >Festival.
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list moderator,
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        >             David >Beardsley
> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 03:09:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA14251; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 03:06:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 03:06:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <12d.4ee21ca.28ddc9b7@aol.com> References: <12d.4ee21ca.28ddc9b7@aol.com> Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 04:06:15 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: on octave dividing Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Re: on octave dividing
Andy simultaneously explains what I did and probably clearer, but:

Octave pedals.
analog - uses a simple divider circuit, so produces a synth sound unrelated
to the timbre of the input. (although some have an output which tracks the
input in volume)

Not in general. Two types of analog circuits:
- Either the effect sound is taken from a rectangular wave whiches volume is adapted to the input volume, and the ouput timbre is not related to the input timbre (Polysubbass)
- or the phase of the input signal is alternated at each wave end, which is easier since the volume is given by the input signal. The timbre is altered drastically by the phase turn but it still depends on the input signal. (Boss, Yamaha, Mutron...)
A sine wave input turns the following output:                                              
                                                 
     ...         ....                            
    .   .       .    .                           
   .     .     .      .                          
  .       .   .        .                         
 .         . .          .                        
.           .            .           .           .
                          .         . .         .
                           .       .   .       . 
                            .     .     .     .  
                             .   .       .   .  
                              ...         ...    
A different input into a different output accordingly. Depending on at which zero crossing you flip the phase, a sawtooth turns either into a triangle or:
                                                              
.         .                 .         .         
..        ..                ..       ..         
. .       . .               . .     . .         
.  .      .  .              .  .   .  .         
.   .     .   .             .   . .   .         
.    .    .    .     -- >   .    .    .    .    .
.     .   .     .                     .   . .   .
.      .  .      .                    .  .   .  .
.       . .       .                   . .     . .
.        ..        .                  ..       ..
.         .         .                 .         .
You can also flip at the maximum (or minimum) of the wave (Yamaha) which results into other waveforms as you may draw them yourself now :-)


Rectangle results in rectangle

These have a very fast response. They don't do chords. May
have very irregular tracking.

By far the smartest tracking is done by Mutron: there is a kind of a frequency memory, so when the input signal fades and becomes impossible to track, the Mutron Octaver goes on using the same frequency for the said phase alternation.


digital - complex process, so you always get a delay. Signal output attempts
to sound like the input slowed down. Will work with chords, but will be
optimised for either single notes or chords.  Always tracks, but signal may
be broken up.  
right, I forgot to mention the delay in my text.
In the Polysubbass, I fade in slightly delayed to avoid the octavation of the beginn of the attack which is not low anyway. The clean original attack of the string is the most acurate possible. Bass establishes slowly by its nature.
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         ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 03:16:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA14540; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 03:13:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 03:13:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 04:13:24 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: memory and improvisation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My loop is my memory! During my stay in Switzerland, I happened to turn on TV and see an olderly man playing piano amazing quickly, just short phrases of all kinds, explaining and demonstrating all kinds of principles for improvisation in 15 minutes. Then compositions with his big band and longer heavily complicated or totally simple piano pieces, also with the voice of his daughter... know who? Martial Solal, a french/algerian guy, I had never heard of before. I could not find a oficial page of his, but http://www.getmusic.com/AMG?artist=7581 shows an overview. One of those genius like Hermeto Pasqual that dont seem to understand why people would prefer one kind of music over another. For them, Music is on all the time and all is easy and fascinating. To compose is like a time stretched improvisation with a pen. Well, he did not quite say that, but it was my impression. But here is what he said that helped me a lot (I hope I remember all correctly ;-) : "Real improvising musicians dont remember what they play. Many can play amazing combinations of phrases they remember, but its just a collage of clichees. It really starts where we play what we dont know ourselves. ... Improvisation takes a lot of very quick thinking!" When I started recording the gigs of the bands I played with, I learned that I never had the right impression after leaving the stage, because I just remembered the errors and felt that all was wrong, while the most beautiful passages on the recording I did not remember at all. Through the years I more and more trusted in improvisation until I decided around 1983 not to play anything out of memory any more. I had the impression that each time my mind went into its memory, I did cut some fresh channel. I dont like smoked fish... I always envied the musicians that are able to play hundreds of songs from the top of their heads, but always went on my way, still curious where it leads to, and full of doubts whether it was any serious what I was doing. And that night it was as if master Martial Solalis would tell me: "you are a real improvising musician!". Ok sir, I will go on... There is a big gap though, between "anything is ok" and "this just came out" -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 09:03:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA31538; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 08:55:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 08:55:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 08:03:58 -0500 From: Mike Subject: OT: Reverse volume pedal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3BADDDBE.6E864477@swbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <12d.4ee21ca.28ddc9b7@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On the telethon for NY two nights ago, Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers played. Mike Campbell (I think that's his name) was playing some licks through a pedal that simulated backwards tape recording. I am sure I've seen this somewhere but can't remember where. Anybody have any ideas of a stompbox that would do this? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 10:24:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05251; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 10:20:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 10:20:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001e01c1443b$8925ce40$8d9a4e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: [Bowie-List] avant garde guitarrist to work with David Bowie Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 10:25:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Tim: No dissing Wilt the Stilt as a drummer! He could do some mean *rim* shots ;-) >Next thing we know, someone will give drum credits to WILT Chamberlain. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 10:37:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05919; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 10:34:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 10:34:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BAE0CBA.4ED9886C@vtx.ch> Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 16:24:26 +0000 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: midi merging References: <20010923062528.87671.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com John Tidwell wrote: > > Thanks Greg. I needed a little reassurance before I > actually ordered the thing. > > I've only had the PC-1600x for a few weeks, so I'm > still learning my way around it. I wish I had bought > one years ago. I can already tell that it's one of > my smarter equipment purchases. the pc 1600x editor I'm using http://www.kvitek.com/midi/ and _the_ pc1600x site http://www.defectiverecords.com/pc1600/pc1600.html Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 11:03:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08045; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 10:59:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 10:59:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010201c1443f$fd8d2a40$1b0c5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: dt harmony-central repeater review Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 10:56:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint >In the case of the Repeater, I actually own two of them, [snip] I'm curious as to what application you have that requires two Repeaters. (An eight track Repeater?) Or perhaps you need one in a permanent installation ([home] studio) and one that is mobile? >[snip] ...I do think the looping market is really confused about >what the Repeater is all about. To me that is the main source of >frustration. After using them both, I find the Repeater and EDP don't have >very much in common... [snip] >Some people seem to have convinced themselves that the Repeater is the same >type of device as the echoplex or jamman or dl-4, etc., and bought it for >those reasons or as a replacement for those things. They want it to be an >echoplex/jamman performance-oriented looper with new features added. >Repeater isn't like that, and when they try to use it that way they get >very frustrated and have some really negative reactions. People who grok >Repeater as more of a recording or remix tool based in looping principles >seem to like it (and don't seem to understand where the negative reactions >come from). Likewise, people who never understood that the echoplex was >entirely designed as a live performance instrument and instead tried to use >it as a recording tool have often been frustrated by it as well. Count me in as one of the confused. Are you saying that the Repeater is a studio oriented production tool as opposed to a live performance do-it-on-the-fly tool? My experience is with analog and digital delays and the Akai Headrush. I want a live soundscape tool. I'd like to loop guitar/sax/voice/whatever in sync with the step sequencers in my Nord Modular and any arpeggiators I have running on various keyboards. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 11:22:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09027; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 11:18:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 11:18:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: HarryEsq@aol.com Message-ID: <2b.1babf8ad.28df56d9@aol.com> Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 11:16:41 EDT Subject: Re: OT: Reverse volume pedal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_2b.1babf8ad.28df56d9_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10535 Resent-Message-ID: <4gH3XB.A.8LC.8zfr7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_2b.1babf8ad.28df56d9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit it sounded like the same effect i get with my dl4 - is that it? harry --part1_2b.1babf8ad.28df56d9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit it sounded like the same effect i get with my dl4 - is that it?

harry --part1_2b.1babf8ad.28df56d9_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 11:48:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10325; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 11:44:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 11:44:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c14446$e0267220$1b86893e@simes> From: "Simon Kean" To: References: <001e01c1443b$8925ce40$8d9a4e0c@u73x0> Subject: Re: [Bowie-List] avant garde guitarrist to work with David Bowie Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 16:46:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <2A6sVD.A._fC.0Lgr7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Pokorny" > > >Next thing we know, someone will give drum credits to WILT Chamberlain. > > > No dissing Wilt the Stilt as a drummer! He could do some mean *rim* shots > ;-) Not too mention that I think Wilt wouldn't have too many problems with the "peripheral elements" of being a rock musician (i.e. groupies). I remember his humble, understated remarks about his exploits with 20,000 basketball groupies :) Drummers....they do it with rhythm. Simon. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://mp3.com/ulcerate www.ulcerate.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 12:11:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12743; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 12:07:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 12:07:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003101c14449$bf5366e0$a083abd4@giogio> From: "luca" To: References: Subject: conceptual art and improvisation Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 18:06:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <8YDA1.A.cGD.Jigr7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias wrote: > There is a big gap though, between "anything is ok" and "this just came out" this is the real problem in improvisation; something which involves taste, sense of measure, and to understand the border between the things that are having sense for the people who is playing and the ones that can have something to say to the ones who listen. Sometimes (mostly in its early days) improvisation followed the idea of the "perfoming art", very near to the visual/concrete installations. This was having a strong cultural sense in the sixties. I just visited the Venice's Biennale of contemporary art and I have been discussing with my girlfriend (who is a sculptist and more) about the sense/use of conceptual arts in our days. So many installations did really not come out; just the clear sense of the urgence of "making something new" and (sometimes) a few words that were trying to give the installation a conceptual reason. We agreed that the ones that were emotionally powerful were the ones that didn't need anyone read the conceptual notes behind them. The concept came out very clear from themself. I love abstract art ( I think the way I play is abstract) and I agree with Kandisky when he said that the figurative art expresses the image of something real on which your memory can apply your remembers and past/dreamed emotions; he described abstraction in art saying that it goes deeper, forcing people to explore their inside with great humilty while facing a representation that has no objective sense. luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 12:36:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14068; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 12:26:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 12:26:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3BADDDBE.6E864477@swbell.net> References: <12d.4ee21ca.28ddc9b7@aol.com> <3BADDDBE.6E864477@swbell.net> Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 09:27:28 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: OT: Reverse volume pedal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >On the telethon for NY two nights ago, Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers >played. Mike Campbell (I think that's his name) was playing some licks >through a pedal that simulated backwards tape recording. I am sure I've >seen this somewhere but can't remember where. Anybody have any ideas of >a stompbox that would do this? Line-6 DL4. I'm positive I saw one in his setup. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 12:37:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14526; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 12:32:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 12:32:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 09:29:20 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: OT: Reverse volume pedal In-reply-to: <3BADDDBE.6E864477@swbell.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <12d.4ee21ca.28ddc9b7@aol.com> <3BADDDBE.6E864477@swbell.net> Resent-Message-ID: <5Rqz4B.A.TiD.35gr7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:03 AM -0500 9/23/01, Mike wrote: >Mike Campbell (I think that's his name) was playing some licks >through a pedal that simulated backwards tape recording. Eventide Harmonizers can do this. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 12:44:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15114; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 12:40:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 12:40:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 09:39:49 -0700 From: Doug Lawrence Subject: Re: Reverse volume pedal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003901c1444e$5c8e6be0$0482c83f@allindlaw> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <12d.4ee21ca.28ddc9b7@aol.com> <3BADDDBE.6E864477@swbell.net> Resent-Message-ID: <8_INhD.A.arD.8Ahr7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There is the Snarling Dogs pedal called the Erogenous Moan that seems to do something like this: >From their web site: Although the Erogenous Moan is housed in the same 6 lb die-cast case with foot-shaped footpad and lit eyes, it is not a wah pedal, but a volume/reverse volume pedal. You can use the Erogenous moan as a straight volume pedal. (Unlike most volume pedals, the Erogenous Moan adds a slight bit of boost when the straight volume feature is activated.) But the main feature of the Erogenous Moan is that, when the Erogenous Moan feature is activated, the following occurs: Pushing down on the footpad causes the volume to swell (as it does in the straight volume mode). However, at the end of the sweep - with the footpad depressed all the way down, the volume cuts off completely. Then, as you reverse the process by bringing the footpad back up, the volume kicks in, and swells again. At the top of the sweep, the volume cuts off with a simulated click of a guitar pick. You control the effect in real time. This is a unique pedal that enables you to achieve an absolutely haunting effect. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" To: Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 6:03 AM Subject: OT: Reverse volume pedal > On the telethon for NY two nights ago, Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers > played. Mike Campbell (I think that's his name) was playing some licks > through a pedal that simulated backwards tape recording. I am sure I've > seen this somewhere but can't remember where. Anybody have any ideas of > a stompbox that would do this? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 13:02:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16079; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 12:58:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 12:58:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010923125235.007edd00@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 12:52:35 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: OT: Pedal unity gain mod question In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010922211223.007eae80@pop.metrocast.net> References: <002801c1439f$6d9002a0$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <39U-TD.A.G6D.PRhr7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:12 PM 9/22/01 -0400, I wrote: >Sorry for the off-topickedness, but would anyone happen to know a simple >mod that would allow me to turn a Danelectro 'Rocky Road' Leslie >simulator's 'drive' pot lower than zero? In case anyone's in the same boat, I was able to find a mod that did the trick perfectly. (It's a jumper across R44, but be forewarned: it's nerve-wracking to work on such a tiny resistor!) For detailed instructions, see Harmony Central's reviews. Apparantly so many people had the same complaint I did, that a kindly tech posted the mod right in his review (on 6-15-01). -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 13:06:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17557; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 13:03:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 13:03:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 09:58:16 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Reverse volume pedal In-reply-to: <003901c1444e$5c8e6be0$0482c83f@allindlaw> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <12d.4ee21ca.28ddc9b7@aol.com> <3BADDDBE.6E864477@swbell.net> <003901c1444e$5c8e6be0$0482c83f@allindlaw> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:39 AM -0700 9/23/01, Doug Lawrence wrote: >There is the Snarling Dogs pedal called the Erogenous Moan that seems to do >something like this: This wasn't the effect being used in the Tom Petty performance. The guitar signal was being sampled and played back in reverse, often sounding simultaneously with the direct signal. There certainly are some similarities in the resulting sounds (e.g. guitar notes swelling out of silence) but this is a result of time-reversal of the original envelope and not the creation of a new one through volume change. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 13:13:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18006; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 13:09:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 13:09:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003101c14449$bf5366e0$a083abd4@giogio> References: <003101c14449$bf5366e0$a083abd4@giogio> Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 13:07:42 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: conceptual art and improvisation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Luca wrote: >I love abstract art ( I think the way I play is abstract) surely played music by *definition* is abstract, unless you are using samples or trying to imitate a real-world thing with an instrument (which is less common than "just playing"...) ? /t .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 15:11:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25569; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 15:07:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 15:07:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001f01c14463$4183eae0$903a4a42@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: <12d.4ee21ca.28ddc9b7@aol.com> <3BADDDBE.6E864477@swbell.net> Subject: Re: OT: Reverse volume pedal Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 12:09:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I concur- it was plain as day to his far right- Om ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Trenkel" To: Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 9:27 AM Subject: Re: OT: Reverse volume pedal > >On the telethon for NY two nights ago, Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers > >played. Mike Campbell (I think that's his name) was playing some licks > >through a pedal that simulated backwards tape recording. I am sure I've > >seen this somewhere but can't remember where. Anybody have any ideas of > >a stompbox that would do this? > > Line-6 DL4. I'm positive I saw one in his setup. > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music > http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org > Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit > "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" > -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 15:27:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26403; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 15:22:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 15:22:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010923151705.007ee9a0@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 15:17:05 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: OT: Reverse volume pedal In-Reply-To: <001f01c14463$4183eae0$903a4a42@we.mediaone.net> References: <12d.4ee21ca.28ddc9b7@aol.com> <3BADDDBE.6E864477@swbell.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's not half as surprising as the sight of some Line6 amps stacked next to Campbell's Voxes. -t At 12:09 PM 9/23/01 -0700, you wrote: >I concur- it was plain as day to his far right- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 15:47:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27569; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 15:44:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 15:44:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001f01c14467$f95ac400$6d87abd4@giogio> From: "luca" To: References: <003101c14449$bf5366e0$a083abd4@giogio> Subject: Re: conceptual art and improvisation Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 21:43:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > surely played music by *definition* is abstract, unless you > are using samples or trying to imitate a real-world thing > with an instrument (which is less common than "just playing"...) so, would you consider the whole poetry not abstract because it is written ? I think there can be "abstract" music as well there is "figurative" music. certain art is not abstract because of the medium used to express it, there is a lot else more. luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 16:00:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28377; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 15:56:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 15:56:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001f01c14467$f95ac400$6d87abd4@giogio> References: <003101c14449$bf5366e0$a083abd4@g iogio> <001f01c14467$f95ac400$6d87abd4@giogio> Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 15:54:17 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: conceptual art and improvisation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com luca writes: > > surely played music by *definition* is abstract, unless you > > are using samples or trying to imitate a real-world thing > > with an instrument (which is less common than "just playing"...) >so, would you consider the whole poetry not abstract because it is written ? >I think there can be "abstract" music as well there is "figurative" music. >certain art is not abstract because of the medium used to express it, there >is a lot else more. when you talk about art, "abstract" is usually the opposite of "representational" -- as in "what goes this represent?" "nothing, it's abstract." Only music concrete and program music represent anything. All other sorts of music are abstract by definition! /t .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 16:07:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29986; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 16:03:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 16:03:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003101c14449$bf5366e0$a083abd4@giogio> References: <003101c14449$bf5366e0$a083abd4@giogio> Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 15:41:26 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: conceptual art and improvisation/Abstract vs. concrete Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:06 PM +0200 9/23/01, luca wrote: >Matthias wrote: >> There is a big gap though, between "anything is ok" and "this just came >out" >this is the real problem in improvisation; something which involves taste, >sense of measure, and to understand the border between the things that are >having sense for the people who is playing and the ones that can have >something to say to the ones who listen. >Sometimes (mostly in its early days) improvisation followed the idea of the >"perfoming art", very near to the visual/concrete installations. >This was having a strong cultural sense in the sixties. >I just visited the Venice's Biennale of contemporary art and I have been >discussing with my girlfriend (who is a sculptist and more) about the >sense/use of conceptual arts in our days. >So many installations did really not come out; just the clear sense of the >urgence of "making something new" and (sometimes) a few words that were >trying to give the installation a conceptual reason. Yes, there are too many pieces which give you the feeling that once you have read the notes or description of the piece, you don't really need to see the piece. For me, at least (both in music and in visual arts), its not about the concept, its about whether something evocative and mind-opening has been done with the concept. >We agreed that the ones that were emotionally powerful were the ones that >didn't need anyone read the conceptual notes behind them. >The concept came out very clear from themself. >I love abstract art ( I think the way I play is abstract) and I agree with >Kandisky when he said that the figurative art expresses the image of >something real on which your memory can apply your remembers and >past/dreamed emotions; he described abstraction in art saying that it goes >deeper, forcing people to explore their inside with great humilty while >facing a representation that has no objective sense. I would argue that this kind of depth can be achieved using real-world materials, if the artists mind and craft are able to create layers of abstraction beyond the real-world source. (c.f.the photography of Ansel Adams and Edward Weston). >luca -- "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times" -- Charles Dickens Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 16:27:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31081; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 16:23:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 16:23:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BAE4474.ECB95EBC@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 13:22:11 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Using Repeater liv (was: Re: dt harmony-central repeater review) References: <010201c1443f$fd8d2a40$1b0c5cd1@-> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As it currently is (software version 1.0), the Repeater is a little clumsey for use for a live instrumentalist (IMO), mainly due to the "loop point assist" bug, midi bug, and the inability to cue up a new loop directly into record. The lack of being able to kill the input for wet only operation could also hinder some setups, I imagine. On the bright side, Electrix has announced that all these things are being fixed or added to the next release version. To quote Damon from Electrix as to when this will be released, "Soon." Mark Sottilaro > > Count me in as one of the confused. Are you saying that the Repeater is a > studio oriented production tool as opposed to a live performance > do-it-on-the-fly tool? My experience is with analog and digital delays and the > Akai Headrush. I want a live soundscape tool. I'd like to loop > guitar/sax/voice/whatever in sync with the step sequencers in my Nord Modular > and any arpeggiators I have running on various keyboards. > > Cheers, > > Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 16:38:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32168; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 16:34:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 16:34:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BAE4728.AA8C6E37@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 13:33:44 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Using Repeater liv (was: Re: dt harmony-central repeater review) References: <010201c1443f$fd8d2a40$1b0c5cd1@-> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As it currently is (software version 1.0), the Repeater is a little clumsy for use for a live instrumentalist (IMO), mainly due to the "loop point assist" bug, midi bug, and the inability to cue up a new loop directly into record. The lack of being able to kill the input for wet only operation could also hinder some setups, I imagine. On the bright side, Electrix has announced that all these things are being fixed or added to future release versions. The bug fixes are slated for the 1.1 release. To quote Damon from Electrix as to when this will be released, "Soon." Electrix has not been posting much on the LD list, but they have been posting on their Forum page. Check it out at http://www.electrixpro.com It's my opinion that when the above is fixed or added to the Repeater OS, it will surely be a formidable tool for a live loop performance. Several loopers have already announced it's use in live performances, and found it to be fine. I'm not sure if they were instrumentalists or sound collage artists. If you're doing free form sound collage stuff, it's probably already good to go as is. Mark Sottilaro > > Count me in as one of the confused. Are you saying that the Repeater is a > studio oriented production tool as opposed to a live performance > do-it-on-the-fly tool? My experience is with analog and digital delays and the > Akai Headrush. I want a live soundscape tool. I'd like to loop > guitar/sax/voice/whatever in sync with the step sequencers in my Nord Modular > and any arpeggiators I have running on various keyboards. > > Cheers, > > Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 16:38:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32238; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 16:35:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 16:35:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008001c14481$2edba0e0$1f729818@default> From: "Daniel" To: Subject: Fw: conceptual art and improvisation Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 16:43:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com actually the terms abstraction is an understandable but snobbish caracterisaion f a music that doesn't respond to know standards of Pop or chamber or jazz music. Usually music instruments that are electrically and electronically encased in effects usually stop by a road where they will be called abstract before being called somethingelese such as psychedelic. that's a great: what is it? I don't know what it is. It is abstract. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 16:39:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32378; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 16:36:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 16:36:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BAE47C6.C94190C0@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 13:36:22 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: midi merging References: <20010923062528.87671.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> <3BAE0CBA.4ED9886C@vtx.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-oQNvD.A.a3H.5dkr7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Where can one purchase a Peavy PC-1600x? I searched the web and came up with nothing. I know Peavy doesn't give big volume discounts to the big retailers, which is why you don't see their stuff on Musician's Feind, but is there any place to get it other than small retailers? Frankly, I couldn't even find a Peavy webpage. Claude Voit wrote: > John Tidwell wrote: > > > > Thanks Greg. I needed a little reassurance before I > > actually ordered the thing. > > > > I've only had the PC-1600x for a few weeks, so I'm > > still learning my way around it. I wish I had bought > > one years ago. I can already tell that it's one of > > my smarter equipment purchases. > > the pc 1600x editor I'm using > > http://www.kvitek.com/midi/ > and _the_ pc1600x site > http://www.defectiverecords.com/pc1600/pc1600.html > > Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 16:51:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00873; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 16:47:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 16:47:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: giuseppe_poteet@worldnet.att.net User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 13:40:21 -0700 Subject: Re: art with instructions To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003101c14449$bf5366e0$a083abd4@giogio> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In some ways I'm opposed to art with instructions, but consider: Theo van Doesburg discusses the need to explain what de Stijl was about--people (in his opinion) didn't have the aesthetic tools to appreciate the abstract art that was bursting upon the scene in the teens/twenties of the previous century. Kandinsky's seminal works on art also serve as a sort of primer on such matters. Of course, now we are all accustomed to seeing/judging/appreciating abstract art, & we don't need a freakin' manual to appreciate a Kandinsky. But I would not be surprised to see an artistic movement arise in the coming days that would involve a different enough way of seeing that instructions would be helpful. & in the more general sense, aren't art/music appreciation classes basically instruction manuals for enjoying art? on 9/23/01 9:06 AM, luca at lucafeed@tin.it wrote: > Matthias wrote: >> There is a big gap though, between "anything is ok" and "this just came > out" > this is the real problem in improvisation; something which involves taste, > sense of measure, and to understand the border between the things that are > having sense for the people who is playing and the ones that can have > something to say to the ones who listen. > Sometimes (mostly in its early days) improvisation followed the idea of the > "perfoming art", very near to the visual/concrete installations. > This was having a strong cultural sense in the sixties. > I just visited the Venice's Biennale of contemporary art and I have been > discussing with my girlfriend (who is a sculptist and more) about the > sense/use of conceptual arts in our days. > So many installations did really not come out; just the clear sense of the > urgence of "making something new" and (sometimes) a few words that were > trying to give the installation a conceptual reason. > We agreed that the ones that were emotionally powerful were the ones that > didn't need anyone read the conceptual notes behind them. > The concept came out very clear from themself. > I love abstract art ( I think the way I play is abstract) and I agree with > Kandisky when he said that the figurative art expresses the image of > something real on which your memory can apply your remembers and > past/dreamed emotions; he described abstraction in art saying that it goes > deeper, forcing people to explore their inside with great humilty while > facing a representation that has no objective sense. > luca > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 17:27:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03818; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 17:21:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 17:21:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c14475$85d7cf60$7b87abd4@giogio> From: "luca" To: References: <008001c14481$2edba0e0$1f729818@default> Subject: Re: conceptual art and improvisation Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 23:20:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Daniel wrote: > that's a great: what is it? I don't know what it is. It is abstract. You got it. don't classify music and don't classify art (sorry for the "donts") just feel them there are people who don't feel anything behind a Kandisky, a Klee, a .... Brian Eno .... do you really think these abstract representations are still: (Daniel Words): >abstraction is an understandable but snobbish >caracterisaion f a music that doesn't respond to know standards of Pop or >chamber or jazz music. >Usually music instruments that are electrically and >electronically encased in effects usually stop by a road where they will be >called abstract before being called somethingelese such as psychedelic. I'd go back to what Matthias wrote regarding his reaction to Hermeto Pasqual that reminded me when I was at Derek Bailey's and we were talking about a musician. Derek was disappointed by the fact that while they were playing he could clearly listen that he was repeating himself; he wasn't improvising with real freedom. his words captured me and put me in a very introspective mood. Is improvisation a discipline ? or is improvisation a medium ? I feel I agree with the second definition. also i think that some arts' representations put yourself in discussion (please any good italian/american help me if i'm translating bad) this is where the most of the abstract art goes. The message is not in the object; it is inside you and you just have to feel it. I think that a lot of us loopers have being told "your music would be a very nice soundtrack" or something similar. I usually reply: you just have to close your eyes. Remember that some people is afraid of the darkness.... luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 17:30:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04132; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 17:25:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 17:25:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010923172041.007e41d0@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 17:20:41 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: midi merging In-Reply-To: <3BAE47C6.C94190C0@zerocrossing.net> References: <20010923062528.87671.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> <3BAE0CBA.4ED9886C@vtx.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Spell it right and you will :-) [Thar's a 2nd 'E' in thar.] even has a Dealer Locator. -t At 01:36 PM 9/23/01 -0700, you wrote: >Where can one purchase a Peavy PC-1600x? I searched the web and came up >with nothing. I know Peavy doesn't give big volume discounts to the big >retailers, which is why you don't see their stuff on Musician's Feind, >but is there any place to get it other than small retailers? Frankly, I >couldn't even find a Peavy webpage. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 17:38:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04888; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 17:34:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 17:34:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BAE566A.EAD@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 14:38:49 -0700 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Using Repeater live References: <010201c1443f$fd8d2a40$1b0c5cd1@-> <3BAE4728.AA8C6E37@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I haven't played a Repeater, yet. The news that the signal runs through the DSP, causing a slight delay,was a great dissapointment to me.So,now I'm looking for a line mixer w/stereo and mono fx sends. Scott From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 17:50:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05586; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 17:45:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 17:45:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.69.204.97] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Using Repeater live Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 21:42:52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Sep 2001 21:42:52.0812 (UTC) FILETIME=[B2B5FCC0:01C14478] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Scott...stereo and mono loops on a line mixer? Hmmmm, I used to have a 2 space Yamaha line mixer...I believe it was a MV (or KV) 802. Designed I believe for multi-kybrd rigs, it had stereo and mono aux loops (2), 8 channels (I think 4 were balanced on XLR or 1/4"). The only caveat to this might be that I found it, like a lot of 80s Yamaha stuff, a tad noisy....altho I understand Nashville session bassist M. Brigandello (sp?) uses one in his studio rack for his many basses... They should be had now for very little $$. Best....Max >I haven't played a Repeater, yet. The news that the signal runs through >the DSP, causing a slight delay,was a great dissapointment to me.So,now >I'm looking for a line mixer w/stereo and mono fx sends. >Scott > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 18:02:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06230; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 17:58:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 17:58:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002001c14475$85d7cf60$7b87abd4@giogio> References: <008001c14481$2edba0e0$1f729818@default> <002001c14475$85d7cf60$7b87abd4@giogio> Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 17:33:19 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: conceptual art and improvisation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:20 PM +0200 9/23/01, luca wrote: >Daniel wrote: >> that's a great: what is it? I don't know what it is. It is abstract. >You got it. >don't classify music and don't classify art (sorry for the "donts") >just feel them >there are people who don't feel anything behind a Kandisky, a Klee, a .... >Brian Eno .... >do you really think these abstract representations are still: >(Daniel Words): >>abstraction is an understandable but snobbish >>caracterisaion f a music that doesn't respond to know standards of Pop or >>chamber or jazz music. >>Usually music instruments that are electrically and >>electronically encased in effects usually stop by a road where they will be > >called abstract before being called somethingelese such as psychedelic. > >I'd go back to what Matthias wrote regarding his reaction to Hermeto Pasqual >that reminded me when >I was at Derek Bailey's and we were talking about a musician. >Derek was disappointed by the fact that while they were playing >he could clearly listen that he was repeating himself; he wasn't improvising >with real freedom. >his words captured me and put me in a very introspective mood. >Is improvisation a discipline ? >or is improvisation a medium ? >I feel I agree with the second definition. >also i think that some arts' representations put yourself in discussion >(please any good italian/american help me if i'm translating bad) >this is where the most of the abstract art goes. >The message is not in the object; it is inside you and you just have to feel >it. Indeed, the charm of the experience (for the improviser) is that the 'message' is not apparent to the 'messenger' until it had been sent. -- "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times" -- Charles Dickens Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 18:10:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07793; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 18:06:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 18:06:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 18:04:37 EDT Subject: CD Review To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all. It seems like about every week or so my new CD is getting another review from somebody or another. I find my good fortune to be little short of amazing given the nature of what I do (and that I've been at it for 20+ years with nary a spec of recognition). Even if they are pretty obscure and out of the way publications, I figure I may as well "share the joy." [Also, a few CD sales would help as well] by A. Canales, The CRITICAL REVIEW, 2523 Montana, El Paso, TX 79903 "This album brings experimental and artistic music out on the edge where few dare to travel. Killian's music is at times guitar jams that make the instrument cry, wail, shout, and moan--all at once. He explores various electronic-sensed atmospheric textures, nuances, and colors. In moments the music is ultra-alternative, speculative, mystical, and it can be understood, but in other moments the sounds are bizarre, ethereal, other-worldly, and weird. Noises and screeching[?] that must be heard. Such is cut 2 "Leaving Medford" (9:08). Yes the songs are almost 'aeternal' giving us a long listen at the talented playing and experimenting. On "Cauterant Baptism" (8:29) we get a more nuanced elongated effort. Still his acid, acrid metallic electronic 'screamer' tones and sounds are both treat and irritant. This could be metal meets industrial meets electronica meets avant-garde meets the end of the space-time continuum. Track 4 opens with less stress and makes it a nice change of pace. "Recurvate Plaint" at 8:40 exudes aspects of LED ZEP, Celtic touches, New Age tones, and rock undergirdings. It was one of my favorite numbers. This is really and interesting long number. "Nocturnal Interstices" has a more classical and mellow sense. It is dreamy yet without the loud edges. Now speaking of long "Reverse Logic" (10:44) is the lengthiest cut on the project. Strange noises, white noise, feedback, and fiery guitar sounds are just a part of this selection. Add metal, etc. and it is one experimental work. The prettiest track is number 8 "Convocation Solitaire" (5:30). Very nice tones! Cut #9 "Gravity Suspended" offers some haunting sounds to the theme. Even the names of the tunes are experimental and on the edge. Still these are not just experimental jam sessions. There is a spiritual awareness, a keenness and insight to the music. We end with the title track. There's a total music time of 70:40. That's a lot of music for thought. A very creative and exploratory work that deserves a listen." MP3s and/or streaming RealAudio available at: http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/138/ted_killian.html CDs are for sale exclusively at: http://www.pfmentum.com/ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 18:28:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08686; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 18:24:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 18:24:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 15:22:34 -0700 From: "Jan Pek" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: judethorn@hotmail.com X-Sent-Mail: on Reply-To: swirlee@angelfire.com X-Expiredinmiddle: true X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: being born X-Sender-Ip: 152.18.39.0 Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i am pleased that people are coming together to redefine the paradigm for spontaneous music magic, for trance induction. we return to the spirit realms, riding presence through the screaming tunnel to the dreaming. and i am pleased that taps to noetic manifest ideas are opening, once again. inventors of musical tools, someone pointed out, are increasingly guiding the direction of music. to me, the way the channel opens is the music. the process is the doorway to magic. you just get out of the way. Here we are, unwedging our minds, hedging our beliefs about time, so elastic, sounds LOOP-LOOP-LOOP, sounds come in from our memory, our libraries akashic records. in the center of the multiverse of polyrhythmic spin, nebulae, pulsar, seasons, rain, is the creator, the improviser, doing his little jam. the rest is just manifest, just a box full of patterns waiting to be cued. i am here to help us connect to that pulse in galaxy's heart. what is calling to us, asking to be born? EDP and the Repeater are rungs on a spiral ladder opening our perception of time and sound. but before we can advance, each of our 'techwizards' and 'artistes' need to release ownership, release ego, and embrace open-source paradigm and algorithm sharing, human need driven development, and temperence. its just candy. its just candy. its nobody's music. its nobody's ideas. give thanks to the Nagual spirit, who blesses you with these steps. look back, they're crumbling. look forward, they dont exist. just keep climbing, giving thanks, your feet are on the ground, your head is in the clouds, your chords are ringing hearts EVERYWHERE! to me, the LD list is like a good grease, lubricating the ideas. so happy to be here! love jan p. Get 250 color business cards for FREE! http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 18:29:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08748; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 18:25:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 18:25:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014201c1447e$2bb784e0$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: <003101c14449$bf5366e0$a083abd4@giogio> <001f01c14467$f95ac400$6d87abd4@giogio> Subject: Re: conceptual art and improvisation Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 18:22:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Ritchford > luca writes: > > > surely played music by *definition* is abstract, unless you > > > are using samples or trying to imitate a real-world thing > > > with an instrument (which is less common than "just playing"...) > >so, would you consider the whole poetry not abstract because it is written ? > >I think there can be "abstract" music as well there is "figurative" music. > >certain art is not abstract because of the medium used to express it, there > >is a lot else more. > > when you talk about art, "abstract" is usually the opposite of > "representational" -- as in "what goes this represent?" "nothing, > it's abstract." > > Only music concrete and program music represent anything. > All other sorts of music are abstract by definition! So Highway Star by Deep Purple and War Pigs by Black Sabbath are abastract? * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 18:31:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08967; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 18:27:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 18:27:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <015701c1447e$7b80ef20$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> From: "David Beardsley" To: Subject: What's the latest on the NYC loop fest? Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 18:24:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0154_01C1445C.F40A99E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0154_01C1445C.F40A99E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Who has the ball? What's going on? I hear the Knitting Factory is re-opened for business. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley ------=_NextPart_000_0154_01C1445C.F40A99E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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* David Beardsley
* http://biink.com
* http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley<= /FONT>
------=_NextPart_000_0154_01C1445C.F40A99E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 18:37:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09576; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 18:33:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 18:33:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <016f01c1447f$23dff620$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: <003101c14449$bf5366e0$a083abd4@giogio> <001f01c14467$f95ac400$6d87abd4@giogio> <014201c1447e$2bb784e0$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> Subject: Re: conceptual art and improvisation Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 18:28:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: David Beardsley > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Ritchford > > > > luca writes: > > > > surely played music by *definition* is abstract, unless you > > > > are using samples or trying to imitate a real-world thing > > > > with an instrument (which is less common than "just playing"...) > > >so, would you consider the whole poetry not abstract because it is > written ? > > >I think there can be "abstract" music as well there is "figurative" > music. > > >certain art is not abstract because of the medium used to express it, > there > > >is a lot else more. > > > > when you talk about art, "abstract" is usually the opposite of > > "representational" -- as in "what goes this represent?" "nothing, > > it's abstract." > > > > Only music concrete and program music represent anything. > > All other sorts of music are abstract by definition! > > So Highway Star by Deep Purple and War Pigs by Black Sabbath are abastract? So I read this now and realise these pieces fall under program music. How about....can't think of anything. I typed too soon and hit that enter key. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 18:59:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10519; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 18:55:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 18:55:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BAE687A.EF112794@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 15:55:53 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: midi merging References: <20010923062528.87671.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> <3BAE0CBA.4ED9886C@vtx.ch> <3.0.5.32.20010923172041.007e41d0@pop.metrocast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah! Thanks! I was getting the impression that the PC1600 was a pedal device, now I see that it isn't. Not for me. I think I just followed someone elses spelling... I remove all my Peavey logos from the Peavey gear that I own. Hate that logo... Mark Tim Nelson wrote: > Spell it right and you will :-) [Thar's a 2nd 'E' in thar.] > > even has a Dealer Locator. > > -t > > At 01:36 PM 9/23/01 -0700, you wrote: > >Where can one purchase a Peavy PC-1600x? I searched the web and came up > >with nothing. I know Peavy doesn't give big volume discounts to the big > >retailers, which is why you don't see their stuff on Musician's Feind, > >but is there any place to get it other than small retailers? Frankly, I > >couldn't even find a Peavy webpage. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 21:02:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17436; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 20:54:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 20:54:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009901c14493$78f9c280$8f61f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200109232127.RAA04302@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: definition of ABSTRACT..........was: Re: conceptual art and improvisation Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 17:54:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com tom wrote: "Only music concrete and program music represent anything. All other sorts of music are abstract by definition!" Great, tom, I think I'll go put on my abstract Britney Spears album ;-) The trouble with using dictionary definitions of words at times is that language constantly grows: words are appropriated and their meanings altered due to common misperception. Take the word 'JAZZ'. It was a slang term for jizz or gism (sperm) that was an epithet hurled at the new cacaphonous (!!) music played by 'uneducated' black musicians in New Orleans. Ask anyone on the street if P-Diddy is abstract and they are going to say "No". They'd say Missy Elliot is abstact. Having just played the Woodstockhause 2001 Experimental Music Festival (where I was one of the more 'inside' acts) I would say she is not. You see what I am saying? my 2 cents, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 21:04:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17730; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 20:59:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 20:59:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a101c14494$1861dd80$8f61f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200109232127.RAA04302@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: conceptual art and improvisation/Abstract vs. concrete Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 17:58:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Emile wrote: "For me, at least (both in music and in visual arts), its not about the concept, its about whether something evocative and mind-opening has been done with the concept." I would agree 90% of the time except to say that John Cage and Brian Eno have really inspired me with their writings far more than their pieces of music (I truly enjoy about 1/10 of Cages' compositions and maybe 1/3 of Eno's in this case. Cage's book 'Silence' really influenced me, artistically as did every magazine article or anecdote about Eno's career. yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 21:38:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20261; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 21:34:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 21:34:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00a101c14494$1861dd80$8f61f93f@dnlsh01> References: <200109232127.RAA04302@hemlock.violacea.com> <00a101c14494$1861dd80$8f61f93f@dnlsh01> Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 21:28:44 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Cage/Eno Re: conceptual art and improvisation/Abstract vs. concrete Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <_lfcE.A.47E.-0or7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:58 PM -0700 9/23/01, Rick Walker \(loop.pool\) wrote: >Emile wrote: >"For me, at least (both in music and in visual >arts), its not about the concept, its about whether something >evocative and mind-opening has been done with the concept." > >I would agree 90% of the time except to say that John Cage and Brian Eno >have really inspired me with their writings far more than their pieces of >music (I truly enjoy about 1/10 of Cages' compositions and maybe 1/3 of >Eno's in this case. > >Cage's book 'Silence' really influenced me, artistically as did every >magazine article or anecdote about Eno's career. > >yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) That means their writings were more mind-opening for you than their music. I agree that both are more important for the influence of their ideas on music than for their music itself, though On Land, Airports, and Cage's early works for prepared piano and percussion stand on their own two feet. -- "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times" -- Charles Dickens Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 23:27:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26374; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 23:18:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 23:18:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007301c144a7$204b0860$7f416f40@oemcomputer> From: "petr" To: References: Subject: Re: Reverse volume pedal Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 21:14:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >but this is a result of time-reversal of the original > envelope and not the creation of a new one through volume change. *** Digitech 2120's Time Warp can do it too. petr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 01:39:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA01202; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 01:36:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 01:36:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c144ba$588806c0$8c4728d5@a123456789> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <200109232127.RAA04302@hemlock.violacea.com> <009901c14493$78f9c280$8f61f93f@dnlsh01> Subject: Re: definition of ABSTRACT..........was: Re: conceptual art and improvisation Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 06:26:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Songs" and "music" are different things. I prefer listening to music generally because it has the power to evoke, or at least hint at, states of consciousness not normally alluded to by lyrics. In fact I can't think of ANY lyrics that speak of other states of consciousness, unless specifically drug induced. But then my knowledge in this area is curtailed by the fat that I prefer music to songs, (back to start)......... Gareth > tom wrote: > "Only music concrete and program music represent anything. > All other sorts of music are abstract by definition!" > > > Great, tom, I think I'll go put on my abstract Britney Spears album ;-) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 01:51:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA01869; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 01:49:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 01:49:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <015701c1447e$7b80ef20$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> References: <015701c1447e$7b80ef20$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 01:47:48 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: What's the latest on the NYC loop fest? Cc: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:24 PM -0400 9/23/01, David Beardsley wrote: >Who has the ball? What's going on? well, the ball seems to be in my court and David Torn's. dt has much greater ability than I do to book places successfully! I'm going to beat on him again this week. If that works, we'll go with that. If NOT, I'll pull together the pieces and try to book it somewhere myself but I suspect we'd do a lot worse in terms of nights and the space we'd get (he was talking about the main space at the Knitting Factory, the Old Office would be the best I'd get I'm sure!) But yes. I definitely want to do this, regardless of the venue or where it is. I have a new act now if nothing else! >I hear the Knitting Factory is re-opened for business. I was there today, though they pissed me off... they had a sign outside advertising their happy hour, so I went in with a friend and ordered beers... but the bartender wouldn't give us the happy hour price ("that's only on Monday through Friday") and sent a waitress to correct the sign. I didn't leave a tip and he raised an eyebrow, so I told him I would have tipped if he had given us the happy hour price that had brought us in to there... "well, I don't have to serve you next time either!" very lame. if he'd just given us the $1 off the two beers I'd have given it right back to him in a tip! /t .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 01:54:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA02095; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 01:51:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 01:51:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <014201c1447e$2bb784e0$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> References: <003101c14449$bf5366e0$a083abd4@g iogio> <001f01c14467$f95ac400$6d87abd4@gio gio> <014201c1447e$2bb784e0$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 01:50:15 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: conceptual art and improvisation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com db writes: >So Highway Star by Deep Purple and War Pigs by Black Sabbath are abastract? Yes, the *music* is abstract. Exactly what does the music represent? The lyrics have content, that's true... but that's not relevant in my mind. Generally, I don't use categories like this to describe music if I can get away without it. BUT if you are going to use a very clearly defined term like "abstract" then it's much easier if you use the common definition of the term! /t .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 02:06:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03835; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 02:01:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 02:01:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <009901c14493$78f9c280$8f61f93f@dnlsh01> References: <200109232127.RAA04302@hemlock.violacea.com> <009901c14493$78f9c280$8f61f93f@dnlsh01> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 02:00:08 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: definition of ABSTRACT..........was: Re: conceptual art and improvisation Cc: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:54 PM -0700 9/23/01, Rick Walker \(loop.pool\) wrote: >Great, tom, I think I'll go put on my abstract Britney Spears album ;-) The music in a Britney Spears album is completely abstract. It isn't trying to represent anything, it's just an abstract thing. Her music isn't trying to sound like fire engines, or bird song, or rain, or marching feet, it's "just music". It is abstract. Does this bother you? >Ask anyone on the street if P-Diddy is abstract and they are going to say >"No". They'd say Missy Elliot is abstact. Having just played the >Woodstockhause 2001 Experimental Music Festival (where I was one of the more >'inside' acts) I would say she is not. You see what I am saying? Not at all! We are supposed to rob words of meaning because people use them wrongly? I don't think so. Abstract: does not picture anything. Representational: does picture something. Very clear to me. Very clear to people since Plato(!) who was the one to introduce this distinction. If you want to create some new term, be my guest. Many art terms are critically flawed: this is not one of them. If you want "abstract" to mean "weird to the average guy on the street" and "non-abstract" to mean "having vocals" that's fine, but don't expect me to remember you have this weird definition. /t .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 05:39:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA16026; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 05:36:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 05:36:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 05:34:36 EDT Subject: Re: Using Repeater liv (was: Re: dt harmony-central repeater review) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 9/23/01 8:34:07 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: << If you're doing free form sound collage stuff, it's probably already good to go as is. >> With the addition of the ability to initiate, via button or midi pedal, an auto fade, for the loop (or, better yet - per individual track, independantly) it'd be perfect. In this way, with each track having a different fade setting (feedback level) you could really keep things evolving/ interweaving, and be able to freeze them at a given point via bouncing. But, even so, I've been having good results, as is. - paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 05:55:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA16615; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 05:52:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 05:52:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001601c144de$d5ed1f00$903a4a42@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: EDP "Next Loop" question Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 02:54:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01C144A4.29651420" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C144A4.29651420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable First of all - I am thouroughly surprised that the EDP and my DR-5 stay = in sync for hours- I expected drift rather soon but it is working great- = I am VERY happy about this fact-=20 I would like to go to a next loop but have it blank rather than copy the = previous loop automatically- I WANT it to copy the first or second loop = but on the 3rd or 4th I would like to create a fresh addition while = still synced to midi- any insight appreciated-=20 Cliff ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C144A4.29651420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
First of all - I am thouroughly = surprised that the=20 EDP and my DR-5 stay in sync for hours- I expected drift rather soon but = it is=20 working great- I am VERY happy about this fact-
 
I would like to go to a next loop but = have it blank=20 rather than copy the previous loop automatically- I WANT it to copy the = first or=20 second loop but on the 3rd or 4th I would like to create a fresh = addition while=20 still synced to midi- any insight appreciated-
 
Cliff
------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C144A4.29651420-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 05:57:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA16819; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 05:54:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 05:54:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 10:55:19 +0100 Subject: Re: memory and improvisation From: roberto To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This thread on abstract/concrete improvisation/composition is quite intriguing. The only "concrete" reference I think we can use is the dictionary definition, anything else is personal interpretation and there can be as many as there are people. Some definitions of abstract: Derived - Separated from matter - Ideal - One thing concentrating in itself the virtues of several - Extracted from.... There is plenty there to discuss. The fact that many people call abstract anything they can't understand is obviously wrong but, being quite common, it's probably worth looking at and must have a seed of meaning. According to the definition itself we should agree that all music is abstract, but then we can also all agree that it can be quite difficult to consider certain kinds of commercial music abstract. What are we left with but very personal and very arguable perceptions? Do we really need to define abstract or concrete music? I know of many artists, in music as well as performing and figurative arts, who became so concerned with extracting concepts from their work that almost ceased to produce work. If we look at improvisation and composition we could agree that improvisation can leave more space to abstract concepts. By its own nature improvisation is born out of the combination of the individual experiences and languages of the improvisers. A good improvisation happens when a number of musicians meet with an open mind, have something to express, are able to listen to each other and respond instantly and instinctively. The result is unpredictable like a lively discussion and can lead in any direction. The mood of the audience is crucial too, the ability to perceive those "abstract" elements that make up the whole. A composition can be intentionally abstract but only leaves a certain amount of space to the performers, the space to interpret the written material within the given boundaries, changing expression, adding emphasis. I have been an improviser for 30 (auch!) years and every time I rejoyce the surprise and emotion caused by hearing something new and unknown coming out of the combination of many musicians. The language resulting from the conversation between different instruments and idioms. That something special and totally abstract you can feel in the air when people are stretching their imagination and ability to dialogue with each other and there and then create music. Music that, in the best cases, can reach our emotions directly and be understood with no need for explanations. Roberto ______________________________________________ Roberto Battista http://www.robat.scl.net http://www.robat.scl.net/lectures/index.shtm Tel. 0044 020 8449 1995 Mobile 0775 960 4344 ______________________________________________ http://www.rustyrobot.com independent on-line music distribution, the music you can't find elsewhere, hybrid, eclectic, world, looped, unusual... ______________________________________________ http://www.robat.scl.net/html/tibet/tibet.shtm an exciting project on technology applied to mobile education for developing countries and remote locations... ______________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 07:42:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA22091; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 07:39:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 07:39:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Hunter" Importance: Normal Subject: Being dead To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.3 (Intl) 21 March 2000 Message-ID: Sender: "Michael Hunter" Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 07:46:53 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D01ML235/01/M/IBM(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 09/24/2001 07:36:01 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Remember... That which is dead can eternal lye.....but with strange LOOPING even dead may die! YOu teel 'em H.P.L. ! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 09:47:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA29371; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 09:42:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 09:42:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004201c14510$c6fac100$1f729818@default> From: "Daniel" To: References: Subject: Re: memory and improvisation Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 09:51:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <8RqVXD.A.hKH.Qgzr7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com abstract is also used snobbishly by the musicians themselves when they play music that doesn't respond to a song format, maybe a structure that repeats itself albeit the different use of effects or waveforms which create freeform musings or the case when it's a multiple of chord changes without a simple and recognisable structure. Hence VU's Heroine is a rock n Roll and Black Angel's death song is wtf is this music. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 09:48:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA29447; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 09:44:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 09:44:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004d01c14510$f25c19c0$1f729818@default> From: "Daniel" To: "Susana Meza" , Cc: "Yorke Eye" , "Rex Gray" Subject: Fw: [jgb] Carl Crack RIP Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 09:52:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004A_01C144DE.A74C2BA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C144DE.A74C2BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tim Chapman=20 To: jgb list=20 Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 7:01 AM Subject: [jgb] Carl Crack RIP Sad news for lovers of extreme noise/pop/art - ATR's 'Live at Brixton=20 Academy 1999' was a classic of its genre - http://www.nme.com/NME/External/News/News_Story/0,1004,43224,00.html ATARI TEENAGE RIOT founder member CARL CRACK has died. He was found in his Berlin apartment on September 6. Little is known about the exact details of his death, but it is believed = to there was a huge deterioration in his health tied to years of over abuse = of alcohol and pills. Crack, who had just turned 30 in May, had a history of mental illness. = The band had taken a one year break to allow him time to seek psychiatric = help. It is understood he and ATR mainman Alec Empire hadn't spoken in a year, = but had been emailing each other recently. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor=20 ADVERTISEMENT =20 =20 =20 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C144DE.A74C2BA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C144DE.A74C2BA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 11:36:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03925; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 11:30:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 11:30:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 10:28:46 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: on octave dividing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00a901c1450d$9b2f6330$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A4_01C144E3.B119D650" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <12d.4ee21ca.28ddc9b7@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01C144E3.B119D650 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: on octave dividingisn't that an octave up instead of down? matthias wrote: >... >A sine wave input turns the following output: = =20 > =20 > ... .... =20 > . . . . =20 > . . . . =20 > . . . . =20 > . . . . =20 >. . . . . > . . . . > . . . .=20 > . . . . =20 > . . . . =20 > ... ... =20 >... ------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01C144E3.B119D650 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: on octave dividing
isn't that an octave up instead of=20 down?
 
matthias wrote:
>...
>A sine wave input turns the following=20 output:          =            =           =           =      =20
>          &nbs= p;         &nbs= p;         &nbs= p;         &nbs= p;        
>&n= bsp;   =20 ...        =20 ....                            
>  &= nbsp;=20 .   .       .   =20 .           =            =      
>  =20 .     .    =20 .     =20 .           =            =     
> =20 .       .  =20 .       =20 .           =            =    
> .    &nb= sp;   =20 . .         =20 .           =            =   
>.      &nb= sp;   =20 .           =20 .          =20 .          =20 .
>          &nbs= p;         &nbs= p;    =20 .         .=20 .        =20 .
>          &nbs= p;         &nbs= p;     =20 .       .  =20 .      =20 . 
>         &nbs= p;         &nbs= p;       =20 .     .     = .    =20 .  
>        &nbs= p;         &nbs= p;         =20 .   .       .   = .  =20
>          &nbs= p;         &nbs= p;        =20 ...        =20 ...    
>...
 
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01C144E3.B119D650-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 12:34:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07572; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 12:30:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 12:30:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 11:28:42 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: memory and improvisation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00df01c14515$f99b2a50$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com so glad you are back. this is the kind of thread that attracted me to this group. (other than the gearhead stuff, of course) i wonder if it is possible to improvise entirely without licks ("...phrases they remember...") i don't mean just flashy bebop kind of stuff, even simple three pitch melody snippets and such. even the flashy blistering note explosions can be seen as simple three note concepts. i don't want to digress into a discussion of schenker analysis here, though... i certainly have had moments when i was improvising where what i was playing was entirely new to me... i have even screwed up a good flow by wondering how i was doing something instead of just letting it happen. carlos santana supposedly said that the musicians are the hose, the audience is the garden, and music is the water. the job of the improviser, then, is to be the best hose: to allow the water/music to flow freely through to the garden/audience. anyone ever heard the midwestern (u.s.) expression "works like a hose" ? interestingly the most spiritual moments i have had while improvising happened while i was feeling like the audience instead of the performer... maybe that's what it feels like to "be the hose"... but it seems to me that those new musical ideas that flow during improvisation come mostly from recombinations of other ideas in the musical meme pool rather than entirely new concepts. matthias wrote: >... >"Real improvising musicians dont remember what they play. Many can >play amazing combinations of phrases they remember, but its just a >collage of clichees. It really starts where we play what we dont know >ourselves. ... Improvisation takes a lot of very quick thinking!" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 12:48:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08302; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 12:44:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 12:44:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00df01c14515$f99b2a50$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <00df01c14515$f99b2a50$080210ac@jpalmer> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 09:41:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: memory and improvisation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com gosh, i'm a little overwhelmed here... i feel like i'm just getting my head above water on personal improvement epithets, ya know? just do it. be all you can be. is it in you? go farther. and now i gotta try to >"be the hose"... ??? whew! :-) rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 12:52:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08632; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 12:47:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 12:47:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 11:46:29 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: conceptual art and improvisation/Abstract vs. concrete To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00e401c14518$755d1250$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200109232127.RAA04302@hemlock.violacea.com> <00a101c14494$1861dd80$8f61f93f@dnlsh01> Resent-Message-ID: <_mT2W.A.QEC.mN2r7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i had a very similar experience with schoenberg. i have been greatly influenced by his methodology, but i almost never listen to his compositions... i think in this case it was the fact that i found the abolition of tonal center to be somewhat tedious. not that there's anything wrong with that... if that's your taste, times being what they are... > > I would agree 90% of the time except to say that John Cage and Brian Eno > have really inspired me with their writings far more than their pieces of > music (I truly enjoy about 1/10 of Cages' compositions and maybe 1/3 of > Eno's in this case. > > Cage's book 'Silence' really influenced me, artistically as did every > magazine article or anecdote about Eno's career. > > yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 13:15:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11046; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:11:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:11:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 10:09:26 -0700 From: "Miko Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: memory and improvisation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA10940 Resent-Message-ID: <3ejlK.A.PrC.bj2r7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > i wonder if it is possible to improvise entirely without licks... I've wondered at times, that after lengthy exploration of your instrument and it's normal and extended techniques, if you "run out" of completely surprising moments available to you due to your familiarity with your instrument? Not that I'm anywhere near something like that, but I do sometimes feel that I've developed a "toolbox" of techniques and sounds which I'm often compelled to try and reach beyond. > interestingly the most spiritual moments i have had while improvising happened while i was feeling like the audience instead of the performer... maybe that's what it feels like to "be the hose"... I can remember many times, realizing something amazing was happening among and gazing around with a goofy grin on my face and seeing the others responses to the moment... knowing they realized it too. The bond of the extraordinary. > but it seems to me that those new musical ideas that flow during improvisation come mostly from recombinations of other ideas in the musical meme pool rather than entirely new concepts. Matthias wrote: >>"Real improvising musicians dont remember what they play. Many can play amazing combinations of phrases they remember, but its just a collage of clichees. It really starts where we play what we dont know ourselves. ... improvisation takes a lot of very quick thinking!" Assemblage of "known" phrases and response to others playing is pretty much the bulk of what happens in improv. Truly reinventing oneself (epiphany) and playing *entirely* new, unknown passages seems to be the exception. Aspiring to that is the path, I guess... Using a combination of a "blank sheet" approach to improv passages, and trying to think thematically on my feet, seems to get me the most mileage. This presumes that I and my partners are listening well and spontaneously reacting to each other. The fact remains, that all players are burdened by a certain range of sounds and techniques available to them at any given point in their career, and are bound by whatever limitations those imply. The creative use of those are what takes it into the sublime. -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 13:16:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11132; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:12:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:12:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 12:11:19 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: memory and improvisation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <016a01c1451b$edab8900$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <00df01c14515$f99b2a50$080210ac@jpalmer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com lol. maybe that'll be the slogan for camel joints after legalization... > > and now i gotta try to > > >"be the hose"... ??? > > whew! :-) > > rich > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 13:16:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11139; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:12:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:12:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010924095959.0261aa40@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 10:09:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: on octave dividing In-Reply-To: <00a901c1450d$9b2f6330$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <12d.4ee21ca.28ddc9b7@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:28 AM 9/24/2001, jim palmer wrote: >isn't that an octave up instead of down? no, invert it back at each of those inflection points to get the original waveform: ... .... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ... ... this is now two periods, so this original is an octave higher than the octave divided output below. kim >matthias wrote: > >... > >A sine wave input turns the following > output: > > > > ... .... > > . . . . > > . . . . > > . . . . > > . . . . > >. . . . . > > . . . . > > . . . . > > . . . . > > . . . . > > ... ... > >... > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 13:24:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11862; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:18:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:18:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 10:16:28 -0700 From: "Miko Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: conceptual art and improvisation/Abstract vs. concrete Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA11792 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > jimp@pobox.com 09/24/01 09:46AM > i had a very similar experience with schoenberg. i have been greatly influenced by his methodology, but i almost never listen to his compositions... i think in this case it was the fact that i found the abolition of tonal center to be somewhat tedious. not that there's anything wrong with that... if that's your taste, times being what they are... >> I would agree 90% of the time except to say that John Cage and Brian Eno have really inspired me with their writings far more than their pieces of music (I truly enjoy about 1/10 of Cages' compositions and maybe 1/3 of Eno's in this case. Cage's book 'Silence' really influenced me, artistically as did every magazine article or anecdote about Eno's career. yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) Besides the overwhelming influence of 'Silence' by Cage, I found Henry Cowell's 'New Musical Resources' to be an amazing book. It's been years since I've had it around, but it left a huge impression on me. Less on the philosophical side than Cage, it has many great examples of contemporary compositional techniques and practices. I wonder if it's still in print anywhere? -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 13:48:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12965; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:41:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:41:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.227.31.19] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: conceptual art and improvisation/Abstract vs. concrete Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 17:39:14 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Sep 2001 17:39:14.0718 (UTC) FILETIME=[D40F9BE0:01C1451F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I gotta say this is VERY interesting thread. So good to read about how we all conceptualize(or don't) our art. I have a copy of "Silence" on my bedside....re-read passages about three times a week. And have for the past 5 years or so! For some reason, I always wake up the next morning with a headful o'ideas..... Max > > >> I would agree 90% of the time except to say that John Cage and Brian >Eno have really inspired me with their writings far more than their pieces >of music (I truly enjoy about 1/10 of Cages' compositions and maybe 1/3 of >Eno's in this case. Cage's book 'Silence' really influenced me, >artistically as did every magazine article or anecdote about Eno's career. >yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 13:50:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13464; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:46:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:46:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010924100929.025caec8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 10:42:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP "Next Loop" question In-Reply-To: <001601c144de$d5ed1f00$903a4a42@we.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:54 AM 9/24/2001, Om_Audio wrote: >First of all - I am thouroughly surprised that the EDP and my DR-5 stay in >sync for hours- I expected drift rather soon but it is working great- I am >VERY happy about this fact- well, it is designed to do that, so it shouldn't be that big of a surprise. :-) > I would like to go to a next loop but have it blank rather than copy the > previous loop automatically- I WANT it to copy the first or second loop > but on the 3rd or 4th I would like to create a fresh addition while still > synced to midi- any insight appreciated- > >Cliff time for you to move on to a slightly more advanced technique, where you can fully choose what the echoplex does when it arrives at a new loop! Right now, you have LoopCopy on I'm assuming, which automatically does the copy whenever you go to a new loop. That's helpful when you are learning, or really want things automated. You can activate this manually as well. Since you are using midi sync I assume you have the SwitchQuantize function on, which forces the loop switches to happen exactly at the next cycle point. Notice what happens when you press NextLoop early. The echoplex goes into a waiting period as it finishes up the current loop, with "ooo" displayed on the screen. During this waiting period you can select what you want the echoplex to do when it switches. For example, if you press Record it will be recording when it switches. If you press Overdub, it will be overdubbing. If you press NextLoop some more during this wait time, you can select which loop it will switch to, so you can jump easily to any loop. To do a sound copy, press "multiply" during the wait time. When it switches it will do the copy, same as it does with the automatic method. If you want to copy the time base only, with new audio, press "insert". Using Multiply and Insert for this becomes intuitive when you realize that doing a sound copy on the Echoplex is really the same as doing a multiply into a new loop. It is very handy because you can immediately be adding new material to the loop as it copies in real-time, and you can allow the copy to continue adding multiples of your original as long as you leave it going. Similarly, just copying the time base is like doing an Insert into a new loop. It lets you copy as many cycles of time as you like while you add new material at the same time. This method gives you a lot more control and flexibility, but of course you have to be more involved in the process. :-) It is a lot of power though, and all available in real-time, and all possible with fairly minimal effort while you otherwise play another instrument. Similarly, you could have SwitchQuant set to "Cnf" for confirm, which allows you to put the echoplex into the waiting period when you press Next, same as before. Except now it doesn't switch automatically when the current loop ends, it waits for you to confirm the switch with some action. When you press something, then it switches. We use the "undo" button for the simple confirm, so it switches to the new loop immediately when you press undo. (which is not very intuitive, but there wasn't any other button to use. :-) Press Next is like above, it lets you preselect which loop you are going to, and then you press undo to confirm it and switch immediately to that loop. Pressing Record switches immediately and starts recording. Multiply and Insert do the copies, like above. Overdub starts you overdubbing. This gives you quite a bit of flexibility and control, but probably you will want to practice it a bit to make sure you understand it. I find the confirm mode really helpful when you are working with very short loops. the regular SwitchQuant will switch too fast with the short loop times, so Confirm mode gives you time to set things up. This is actually in the manual, under "SwitchQuant". hope this helps, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 13:59:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14074; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:55:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:55:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074147@MITOREXCH01> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: conceptual art and improvisation/Abstract vs. concrete Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:52:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C14521.A28BE900" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14521.A28BE900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" >i had a very similar experience with schoenberg. i have been greatly influenced by his methodology, but i almost never listen to his compositions... i think in this case it was the fact that i found the abolition of tonal center to be somewhat tedious. < ** does it depend on which era of schoenberg you listen to? some of his early stuff is very much in the late romantic tradition (wagner, mahler, r. strauss) - - not a hint of free atonality or 12-tone music. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14521.A28BE900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: conceptual art and improvisation/Abstract vs. = concrete


>i had a very similar experience with = schoenberg.
i have been greatly influenced by his = methodology,
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i think in this case it was the fact that i found = the abolition of
tonal center to be somewhat tedious. <


** does it depend on which era of schoenberg you = listen to? some of his early stuff is very much in the late romantic = tradition (wagner, mahler, r. strauss) - - not a hint of free atonality = or 12-tone music.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C14521.A28BE900-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 14:25:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16435; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 14:22:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 14:22:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 11:20:24 -0700 From: "Jan Pek" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: judethorn@hotmail.com X-Sent-Mail: on Reply-To: swirlee@angelfire.com X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #563 X-Sender-Ip: 152.18.39.0 Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>"Real improvising musicians dont remember what they play. Many >>can play amazing combinations of phrases they remember, but its >>just a collage of clichees. It really starts where we play what >>we dont know ourselves. ... improvisation takes a lot of very >>quick thinking!" >Assemblage of "known" phrases and response to others playing is >pretty much the bulk of what happens in improv. Truly reinventing >oneself (epiphany) and playing *entirely* new, unknown passages >seems to be the exception. Aspiring to that is the path, I guess... >Using a combination of a "blank sheet" approach to improv passages, >and trying to think thematically on my feet, seems to get me the >most mileage. This presumes that I and my partners are listening >well and spontaneously reacting to each other. but there are techniques one can use to become more intimate with 'truly reinventing oneself'. say, meditation, cultivating presence, practicing being awake. i imagine a lot of us have observed how this elevates playing. in the santana analogy- the music is the water, the musicians are the hose, the audience is the garden-- you could blow up the musician and say-- what qualities has the musician cultivated to become the hose? one quality is presence, to be arms open and receive the transmission, to become a vessel for the water. to live with one foot outside reality, to bridge worlds, you've got to stay clear. we stay clear from judgement, critiquing- this is better than this. isnt judgement like cutting up your hose? the mind is filled with 'i have to be better'. fasting, pranayama, dreamwork, bondage, zikr, EDP, metta, you can get clear so many ways. widening the heart, cuz its the center, cuz its protection. i believe we are not computers. we are magic. i once wrote software to compose new music based on existing patterns, using some pretty geeky AI tricks. tho it was interesting, it was not human. perhaps, the music is not in the notes. perhaps it lies in the space between spaces, the place between places. the sound is just the carrier wave, the chariot. who rides inside? love -jan p Get 250 color business cards for FREE! http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 14:29:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16759; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 14:26:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 14:26:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 14:24:10 -0400 Subject: Re:EDP Next Loop Question From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200109241724.NAA12229@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3084186250_11811911_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3084186250_11811911_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I have my EDP receiving MIDI clock sync from a drum machine, and have been facing the same problem -- the best I have been able to do is go to a new loop, press record, count 4 beats of silence in the same tempo, and go from there -- and somehow incorporate the 4 beats of silence as a stylistic part of the music. If there's a better way, I'd love to hear about it. First of all - I am thouroughly surprised that the EDP and my DR-5 stay in sync for hours- I expected drift rather soon but it is working great- I am VERY happy about this fact- I would like to go to a next loop but have it blank rather than copy the previous loop automatically- I WANT it to copy the first or second loop but on the 3rd or 4th I would like to create a fresh addition while still synced to midi- any insight appreciated- Cliff --MS_Mac_OE_3084186250_11811911_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re:EDP Next Loop Question I have my EDP receiving MIDI clock sync from a drum mach= ine, and have been facing the same problem -- the best I have been able to d= o is go to a new loop, press record, count 4 beats of silence in the same te= mpo, and go from there -- and somehow incorporate the 4 beats of silence as = a stylistic part of the music.  If there's a better way, I'd love to he= ar about it.



First of all - I am thouroughly surprised that the EDP and my DR-5 stay in = sync for hours- I expected drift rather soon but it is working great- I am V= ERY happy about this fact-

I would like to go to a next loop but hav= e it blank rather than copy the previous loop automatically- I WANT it to co= py the first or second loop but on the 3rd or 4th I would like to create a f= resh addition while still synced to midi- any insight appreciated-

Cliff
--MS_Mac_OE_3084186250_11811911_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 14:31:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16830; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 14:27:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 14:27:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001c01c14526$73289dc0$0301a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010924100929.025caec8@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: EDP "Next Loop" question Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 11:26:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Very much- thank you- very cool indeed- I think I'll leave SwitchQuant to "ON" for now- I'll give the "CNF" setting too, but not at first- Thanks again Kim! Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 10:42 AM Subject: Re: EDP "Next Loop" question > time for you to move on to a slightly more advanced technique, where you > can fully choose what the echoplex does when it arrives at a new loop! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 14:38:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17526; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 14:34:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 14:34:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:33:00 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: conceptual art and improvisation/Abstract vs. concrete To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01a601c14527$56df9960$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01A3_01C144FD.6DF40D90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074147@MITOREXCH01> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01A3_01C144FD.6DF40D90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: conceptual art and improvisation/Abstract vs. concretetrue, but the = methodology i meant was the 12-tone system. i have a "chromatic" approach in that i like to explore sonorities that=20 fall outside western diatonic sounds, but i don't feel the need to=20 remove a sense of tonic to do so. i appreciate his somewhat mathematical approach (pitch class manipulations, combinatorial sets, = etc..), though i think of my approach as more geometric. i'm not sure i can = explain what i mean by that, we'll have to wait til i have some music available = on-line... >** does it depend on which era of schoenberg you listen to? some of his = early stuff is very much in the late romantic tradition (wagner, mahler, = r. strauss) - - not a hint of free atonality or 12-tone music.=20 >stig ------=_NextPart_000_01A3_01C144FD.6DF40D90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: conceptual art and improvisation/Abstract vs. = concrete
true, but the methodology i meant was = the 12-tone=20 system.
i have a "chromatic" approach in that i = like to=20 explore sonorities that
fall outside western diatonic sounds, = but i don't=20 feel the need to
remove a sense of tonic to do so.  = i=20 appreciate his somewhat
mathematical approach (pitch class = manipulations,=20 combinatorial sets, etc..),
though i think of my approach as more = geometric.=20 i'm not sure i can explain what
i mean by that, we'll have to wait til = i have some=20 music available on-line...
 
 
 
>** does it depend on = which era of=20 schoenberg you listen to? some of his early stuff is very much in the = late=20 romantic tradition (wagner, mahler, r. strauss) - - not a hint of free = atonality=20 or 12-tone music.

>stig

 

 

 ------=_NextPart_000_01A3_01C144FD.6DF40D90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 14:38:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17571; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 14:35:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 14:35:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D007414E@MITOREXCH01> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: memory and improvisation Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 14:32:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C14527.3CB328E0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14527.3CB328E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>"Real improvising musicians don't remember what they play. Many can = play amazing combinations of phrases they remember, but its just a collage = of clich=E9s. It really starts where we play what we don't know ourselves. = ... improvisation takes a lot of very quick thinking!" ** an interesting set of ideas. i think that "improvisation" requires vocabulary and the means to use = it. it's the same as conversation: if you don't have the ideas or words, = you can't converse - - and if you don't have the wherewithal to deal with = those components, it's likely that you will not be able to react to someone = else's vocabulary and means . . . in other words, no real conversation of = ideas.=20 indeed quick thinking is key, but it doesn't occur in a vacuum. one = needs the tools and the practice to be able to think quickly and react to = what is going on.=20 i'd say that pretty much any artistic endeavor by any artist is in = danger of having its clich=E9s - - sometimes it's called style and sometimes it's = called limitation. what makes beethoven "beethoven"? what makes coltrane "coltrane"? it's their vocabulary - - or, more negatively, their = clich=E9s. i think you will find this with any artist. sometimes "clich=E9" is communication (?). (also consider that there are people who believe = that certain intervals/voice leadings have specific emotive signals/weight.) as far as improvising musicians not remembering what they played, or = what other people played . . . i don't know if i agree with that. some of = the best improvisers i know are able to sing what they or someone else did during an improv - - sometimes many days later. another way to look at = this is if one is improvising form - - in other words, repeatable or = recurring sections in an improvisation. it's awfully helpful to be able to = remember what you or another played did in order to repeat and reshape a motif = or texture in order to bring a "section" back around. in the improv.=20 it is nice to be able to do something one has never done before in an improvisation. but, my guess is, if we had to adhere to that as a prerequisite for doing any improv, most would have to stop right now! i tend to think that improvisation means different things to different people: for some it means "jamming on rock tunes/jazz standards"; for = some it means "total free playing"; for some it means "using written = material for a jumping-off place"; for some it means "spontaneous composition." for me, it predominately means the last three (depending on context), = with the first happening less frequently. back to the conversation analogy - = - one talks to different friends about different sorts of things.=20 an interesting sidelight - - and maybe one more in keeping with the = topic of this list - - is how to use looping in improv. if one is looking for complete freedom and non-repetition (if that is one's definition) in = improv, it seems that looping can hinder that "complete freedom." the very fact = that something is looping in repetition can be a lock. of course, if one's = idea is that improv is "spontaneous composition," looping does not = necessarily need to have a negative effect - - it is part of the "composition." stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14527.3CB328E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: memory and improvisation

>>"Real improvising musicians don't = remember what they play. Many can play amazing combinations of phrases = they remember, but its just a collage of clich=E9s. It really starts = where we play what we don't know ourselves. ...  improvisation = takes a lot of very quick thinking!"


** an interesting set of ideas.

i think that "improvisation" requires = vocabulary and the means to use it. it's the same as conversation: if = you don't have the ideas or words, you can't converse - - and if you = don't have the wherewithal to deal with those components, it's likely = that you will not be able to react to someone else's vocabulary and = means . . . in other words, no real conversation of ideas.

indeed quick thinking is key, but it doesn't occur in = a vacuum. one needs the tools and the practice to be able to think = quickly and react to what is going on.

i'd say that pretty much any artistic endeavor by any = artist is in danger of having its clich=E9s - - sometimes it's called = style and sometimes it's called limitation. what makes beethoven = "beethoven"? what makes coltrane "coltrane"? it's = their vocabulary - - or, more negatively, their clich=E9s. i think you = will find this with any artist. sometimes "clich=E9" is = communication (?). (also consider that there are people who believe = that certain intervals/voice leadings have specific emotive = signals/weight.)

as far as improvising musicians not remembering what = they played, or what other people played . . . i don't know if i agree = with that. some of the  best improvisers i know are able to sing = what they or someone else did during an improv - - sometimes many days = later. another way to look at this is if one is improvising form - - in = other words, repeatable or recurring sections in an improvisation. it's = awfully helpful to be able to remember what you or another played did = in order to repeat and reshape a motif or texture in order to bring a = "section" back around. in the improv.

it is nice to be able to do something one has never = done before in an improvisation. but, my guess is, if we had to adhere = to that as a prerequisite for doing any improv, most would have to stop = right now!

i tend to think that improvisation means different = things to different people: for some it means "jamming on rock = tunes/jazz standards"; for some it means "total free = playing"; for some it means "using written material for a = jumping-off place"; for some it means "spontaneous = composition."

for me, it predominately means the last three = (depending on context), with the first happening less frequently. back = to the conversation analogy - - one talks to different friends about = different sorts of things.

an interesting sidelight - - and maybe one more in = keeping with the topic of this list - - is how to use looping in = improv. if one is looking for complete freedom and non-repetition (if = that is one's definition) in improv, it seems that looping can hinder = that "complete freedom." the very fact that something is = looping in repetition can be a lock. of course, if one's idea is that = improv is "spontaneous composition," looping does not = necessarily need to have a negative effect - - it is part of the = "composition."


stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C14527.3CB328E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 14:40:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17786; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 14:37:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 14:37:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 11:35:56 -0700 From: "Miko Biffle" To: , "<" Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #563 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA17599 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> Assemblage of "known" phrases and response to others playing is pretty much the bulk of what happens in improv. Truly reinventing oneself (epiphany) and playing *entirely* new, unknown passages seems to be the exception. Aspiring to that is the path, I guess... Using a combination of a "blank sheet" approach to improv passages, and trying to think thematically on my feet, seems to get me the most mileage. This presumes that I and my partners are listening well and spontaneously reacting to each other. >but there are techniques one can use to become more intimate with 'truly reinventing oneself'. say, meditation, cultivating presence, practicing being awake. i imagine a lot of us have observed how this elevates playing. I agree... State of mind is nearly everything in this process. To release oneself from expectations is a great gift. That's the wild card... we're sorta stuck with our physical limitations of technique and musical 'ideas'. > i believe we are not computers. we are magic. i once wrote software to compose new music based on existing patterns, using some pretty geeky AI tricks. tho it was interesting, it was not human. perhaps, the music is not in the notes. perhaps it lies in the space between spaces, the place between places. the sound is just the carrier wave, the chariot. who rides inside? love -jan p It's so much more gratifying to actually play music, and even better to do it with others. That said... the discipline of working in the studio is a necessity. Peace, -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 15:03:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18896; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 14:57:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 14:57:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D007414F@MITOREXCH01> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: conceptual art and improvisation/Abstract vs. concrete Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 14:54:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1452A.66ABC280" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1452A.66ABC280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" **okay, just wanted clarification. so you're interested in the theory. have you checked out webern's string quartet music? he uses the same sorts of ideas, but is less overtly "classical." (though he's not particularly tonal either.) (btw, i'd say that, even though scheonberg was "demolishing tonality," he was really just extending the late romantic tradition to one logical extreme. i believe that bartok also had a tonality system, though i don't know much about it and it seems like too much for my little brain). stig true, but the methodology i meant was the 12-tone system. i have a "chromatic" approach in that i like to explore sonorities that fall outside western diatonic sounds, but i don't feel the need to remove a sense of tonic to do so. i appreciate his somewhat mathematical approach (pitch class manipulations, combinatorial sets, etc..), though i think of my approach as more geometric. i'm not sure i can explain what i mean by that, we'll have to wait til i have some music available on-line... >** does it depend on which era of schoenberg you listen to? some of his early stuff is very much in the late romantic tradition (wagner, mahler, r. strauss) - - not a hint of free atonality or 12-tone music. >stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1452A.66ABC280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1252" RE: conceptual art and improvisation/Abstract vs. concrete
**okay, just wanted clarification. so you're interested in the theory. have you checked out webern's string quartet music? he uses the same sorts of ideas, but is less overtly "classical." (though he's not particularly tonal either.)

(btw, i'd say that, even though scheonberg was "demolishing tonality," he was really just extending the late romantic tradition to one logical extreme. i believe that bartok also had a tonality system, though i don't know much about it and it seems like too much for my little brain).  
 
stig 
true, but the methodology i meant was the 12-tone system.
i have a "chromatic" approach in that i like to explore sonorities that
fall outside western diatonic sounds, but i don't feel the need to
remove a sense of tonic to do so.  i appreciate his somewhat
mathematical approach (pitch class manipulations, combinatorial sets, etc..),
though i think of my approach as more geometric. i'm not sure i can explain what
i mean by that, we'll have to wait til i have some music available on-line...
 
 
 
>** does it depend on which era of schoenberg you listen to? some of his early stuff is very much in the late romantic tradition (wagner, mahler, r. strauss) - - not a hint of free atonality or 12-tone music.

>stig

 

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1452A.66ABC280-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 15:44:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21750; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 15:38:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 15:38:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 14:37:05 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: conceptual art and improvisation/Abstract vs. concrete To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01d801c14530$4a94b150$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01D5_01C14506.619883B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D007414F@MITOREXCH01> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01D5_01C14506.619883B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: conceptual art and improvisation/Abstract vs. concrete>have you = checked out webern's string quartet music? =20 i'm not too familiar with webern. i know most of these guys only from studying music theory in college. i kind of got it backwards, studying it first, then listening. i come from the rock and roll side of things. this led to some interesting clashes with "jazzers" and "classical" = types. >btw, i'd say that, even though scheonberg was "demolishing tonality," = he was really just extending the late romantic tradition to one logical = extreme. totally agree. i think that it is easier to study it than to hear it, if you know what = i mean... > i believe that bartok also had a tonality system, though i don't know = much about it and it seems like too much for my little brain love bartok. listen to the string quartets regularly. i think his system is somewhat geometric as well. a very bartokian sonority is to superimpose major and minor triads with the same tonic in a way that results in a vertically = (pitch) symetrical shape (ex. E3 G3 C4 Eb4: minor third, perfect fourth, minor = third). =20 very cool... he also used hungarian folk melodies as source=20 material to manipulate in sonically new ways. so he was quite the "remixer," too. i'd love to hear what he would have done with modern electronics. i have a friend who has looped bartok... (there, i snuck looping in!) ------=_NextPart_000_01D5_01C14506.619883B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: conceptual art and improvisation/Abstract vs. = concrete
>have you checked = out webern's=20 string quartet music?
 
i'm not too familiar with=20 webern.
i know most of these guys only from = studying music=20 theory in college.
i kind of got it backwards, studying it = first, then=20 listening.
i come from the rock and roll side = of=20 things.
this led to some interesting clashes = with "jazzers"=20 and "classical" types.
 
 
>btw, i'd say that, = even though=20 scheonberg was "demolishing tonality," he=20 was really just extending the late romantic tradition to one logical=20 extreme.
 
totally agree.
i think that it = is easier to=20 study it than to hear it, if you know what i=20 mean...
 
> i believe that = bartok also had a=20 tonality system, though i don't know much about it and it seems = like too=20 much for my little brain
 
love bartok.
listen to the string quartets regularly.
i think his system is somewhat = geometric as=20 well.
a very bartokian sonority = is to=20 superimpose major and
minor triads with the same = tonic in a=20 way that results in a vertically (pitch)
symetrical shape (ex. E3 G3 = C4 Eb4:=20 minor third, perfect fourth, minor third).  =
very = cool...
 
he also used hungarian folk melodies as source =
material to manipulate in = sonically new=20 ways.
so he was quite the "remixer," = too.
i'd love to hear what he = would have=20 done with modern electronics.
 
 
i have a friend who has = looped=20 bartok...
(there, i snuck looping=20 in!)
 
 ------=_NextPart_000_01D5_01C14506.619883B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 15:50:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22307; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 15:45:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 15:45:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003f01c14543$6596edc0$1f729818@default> From: "Daniel" To: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jul=EDan_Carrillo?= Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 15:53:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01C14511.0244ABE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C14511.0244ABE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: memory and improvisationLook up this mexican who founded the = microtonal style of course you could say it was already present in = ethnic music but if you ever hear it you'll know he meant it it in a = modern western way. With piano strings and violin. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C14511.0244ABE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: memory and improvisation
Look up this mexican who founded the microtonal = style of=20 course you could say it was already present in ethnic music but if you = ever hear=20 it you'll know he meant it it in a modern western way. With piano = strings and=20 violin.
------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C14511.0244ABE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 16:25:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25167; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 16:19:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 16:19:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074150@MITOREXCH01> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: conceptual art and improvisation/Abstract vs. concrete Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 16:15:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C14535.98DCE080" Resent-Message-ID: <-xVqZD.A.8GG.tT5r7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14535.98DCE080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" i'm not too familiar with webern. ** might work for you . . . also, alban berg might work for you as he wrote rows that had major chords in them, etc. somehow his stuff sounds more tonal than either schoenberg or webern (at least to my ears). i know most of these guys only from studying music theory in college. i kind of got it backwards, studying it first, then listening. i come from the rock and roll side of things. this led to some interesting clashes with "jazzers" and "classical" types. ** yeah. i came it through rock and jazz. though i heard a lot of classical stuff in my household and heard some early-ish middle-period schoenberg in high school and liked quite a bit. totally agree. i think that it is easier to study it than to hear it, if you know what i mean... ** yeah. i like a lot of schoenberg's stuff, though the more rigid 12-tone stuff is not always to my liking (same with webern) > i believe that bartok also had a tonality system, though i don't know much about it and it seems like too much for my little brain love bartok. listen to the string quartets regularly. i think his system is somewhat geometric as well. a very bartokian sonority is to superimpose major and minor triads with the same tonic in a way that results in a vertically (pitch) symetrical shape (ex. E3 G3 C4 Eb4: minor third, perfect fourth, minor third). very cool... **'kay, there ya go. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14535.98DCE080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1252" RE: conceptual art and improvisation/Abstract vs. concrete
 
 
i'm not too familiar with webern. 
 
** might work for you . . . also, alban berg might work for you as he wrote rows that had major chords in them, etc. somehow his stuff sounds more tonal than either schoenberg or webern (at least to my ears).
 
i know most of these guys only from studying music theory in college.
i kind of got it backwards, studying it first, then listening.
i come from the rock and roll side of things.
this led to some interesting clashes with "jazzers" and "classical" types. 
 
** yeah. i came it through rock and jazz. though i heard a lot of classical stuff in my household and heard some early-ish middle-period schoenberg in high school and liked quite a bit.
 
totally agree.
i think that it is easier to study it than to hear it, if you know what i mean... 
 
** yeah. i like a lot of schoenberg's stuff, though the more rigid 12-tone stuff is not always to my liking (same with webern) 
 
> i believe that bartok also had a tonality system, though i don't know much about it and it seems like too much for my little brain
 
love bartok.
listen to the string quartets regularly.
i think his system is somewhat geometric as well.
a very bartokian sonority is to superimpose major and
minor triads with the same tonic in a way that results in a vertically (pitch)
symetrical shape (ex. E3 G3 C4 Eb4: minor third, perfect fourth, minor third). 
very cool...
 
 
**'kay, there ya go.
 
stig
 
 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C14535.98DCE080-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 16:42:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26162; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 16:38:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 16:38:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c14538$9f89d520$7287abd4@giogio> From: "luca" To: References: <003101c14449$bf5366e0$a083abd4@giogio> <001f01c14467$f95ac400$6d87abd4@giogio> <014201c1447e$2bb784e0$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> Subject: Re: conceptual art and improvisation Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 19:26:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: "David Beardsley Sorry David, I didn't write all the following, just some replies to what Tom wrote. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Ritchford > > > > luca writes: > > > > surely played music by *definition* is abstract, unless you > > > > are using samples or trying to imitate a real-world thing > > > > with an instrument (which is less common than "just playing"...) > > >so, would you consider the whole poetry not abstract because it is > written ? > > >I think there can be "abstract" music as well there is "figurative" > music. > > >certain art is not abstract because of the medium used to express it, > there > > >is a lot else more. > > > > when you talk about art, "abstract" is usually the opposite of > > "representational" -- as in "what goes this represent?" "nothing, > > it's abstract." > > > > Only music concrete and program music represent anything. > > All other sorts of music are abstract by definition! > > So Highway Star by Deep Purple and War Pigs by Black Sabbath are abastract? > > > * David Beardsley > * http://biink.com > * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 16:56:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26851; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 16:52:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 16:52:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.116.40] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Samplestation@yahoogroups.com Subject: Cakewalk Plasma - Is It Any Good ? Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 15:51:01 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Sep 2001 20:51:01.0549 (UTC) FILETIME=[9EAAADD0:01C1453A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok, this is one of those software questions, that for the most part never gets answered, and at times get ignored... Sometimes I feel so left out; not being an EDP or Echoplex Looper, but I digress. I know I have "Software Based" loopers out there who use there PC's for Post or Pre-Production work, that use a myriad of "software" based tools to get their product completed. So this is my question. I use Cakewalk Sonar, and there is a new product called "Plasma" - (http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/PL/PL.html) that is out. Now normally I'd download the DEMO, and evaluate it, prior to purchase, but unfortunately, the folks at Cakewalk aren't offering a demo of this product. All the info I can find is within that lowly url, and I require MORE input, if I am to shell out the paltry $69.00 (USD) for the product. (I have gotten software in the past that claimed to do everything from wash the dishes, to sing like Mel Torme, and I was sorely disappointed, case in point - The MTV Music Creator). So, I don't want to waste money trying to figure out if this software is "Da Bomb" or "A Bomb". I am asking, if anyone in LOOPY-Land has this software, or know where I can get a demo ? If you have it, I want to get an honest opinion on this, before I buy. A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It. http://go.to/ldarthard/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 17:37:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29671; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 17:31:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 17:31:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 16:30:03 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: on octave dividing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <020401c14540$12e38a50$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <12d.4ee21ca.28ddc9b7@aol.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20010924095959.0261aa40@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ok, i did this in sound forge and heard for myself. without the inversion of the second half you get an octave up. i was fooled by the spikes in the middle of each half wave. thanks. > At 08:28 AM 9/24/2001, jim palmer wrote: > >isn't that an octave up instead of down? > > > no, invert it back at each of those inflection points to get the original > waveform: > ... > > this is now two periods, so this original is an octave higher than the > octave divided output below. > > kim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 17:54:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30639; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 17:50:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 17:50:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Peace Love Productions" To: Subject: FREE LOOPS NOTIFICATION!! 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Peace, Puzzle From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 18:00:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31061; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 17:57:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 17:57:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.99.76] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: dhastings@earthlink.net, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Cakewalk Plasma - Is It Any Good ? Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 16:55:55 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Sep 2001 21:55:55.0692 (UTC) FILETIME=[AFC1BEC0:01C14543] Resent-Message-ID: <23eBCC.A.9kH.Nw6r7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, that's what I wanted to hear. Well, even at $29.00 bucks, I'd hate to be stuck with a Red Herring..... I have Fruity Loops 3.1.1, and a ton of of DirectX Plugins already, so this might just be a moot point... it seems that Plasma just integrates all the things I have now in one app.... hummmmm Lucien E. Darthard A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It. http://go.to/ldarthard/ ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Dave Hastings" To: Subject: RE: Cakewalk Plasma - Is It Any Good ? Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 14:49:50 -0700 If it makes any difference, registered Sonar owners can get it for $29. I don't have it, so I don't know if it's any good. You can get demo versions of Fruity Loops at www.fruityloops.net. I don't know what the current demo restrictions are, but back in the early version 2, it was a track number limitation (only 4). As for the effects, you can get programs to convert joystick input to MIDI CC (midijoy for example), and given Sonar's ability to automate DX effects, I would think you could simulate the 'morph between presets thing' (haven't tried it myself). And, the text leads one to believe that you are stuck with whatever the Plasma FxPad guys thought up for presets. They mention using other DX effects, but they definitely don't claim you can morph them with FxPad. Just my two cents (without actually owning or using Plasma) -daveh -------------- Dave Hastings dhastings@earthlink.net "Everyone has a little secret he keeps I light the fires while the city sleeps" MC 900Ft Jesus _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 18:04:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA32385; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 18:01:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 18:01:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010924175625.009fd070@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: taghairm@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 17:57:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: p koniuto Subject: --redefining the startpoint on the repeater?-- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Repeater-users: Is there anything like the EDP's StartPoint feature on the Repeater? I am specifically interested in being able to redefine the startpoint of a loop with the single press of a button (understanding, as with the EDP, it may take a few button presses to get there), without changing anything else about the loop (eg. loop length, etc.) I'm not seeing how the "slip" function on the Repeater allows me to do this. Note: i am not using MIDI to control the Repeater. Thanks, peter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 18:10:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00421; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 18:07:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 18:07:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 18:05:16 -0400 Subject: Re:EDP next loop question From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200109241903.PAA20315@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3084199516_12609812_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3084199516_12609812_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I think I just answered my own question by thumbing through the manual -- if I set "Loop Copy" to time, and go into an empty loop by pressing next loop followed by undo, I'm in record mode, and can end it by another press of record. My drum machine keeps playing! I have my EDP receiving MIDI clock sync from a drum machine, and have been facing the same problem -- the best I have been able to do is go to a new loop, press record, count 4 beats of silence in the same tempo, and go from there -- and somehow incorporate the 4 beats of silence as a stylistic part of the music. If there's a better way, I'd love to hear about it. --MS_Mac_OE_3084199516_12609812_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re:EDP next loop question I think I just answered my own question by thumbing thro= ugh the manual -- if I set "Loop Copy" to time, and go into an emp= ty loop by pressing next loop followed by undo, I'm in record mode, and can = end it by another press of record.  My drum machine keeps playing!


I have my EDP receiving MIDI clock sync from a drum m= achine, and have been facing the same problem -- the best I have been able t= o do is go to a new loop, press record, count 4 beats of silence in the same= tempo, and go from there -- and somehow incorporate the 4 beats of silence = as a stylistic part of the music.  If there's a better way, I'd love to= hear about it.
 --MS_Mac_OE_3084199516_12609812_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 18:33:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01530; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 18:28:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 18:28:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004601c14548$14465500$0301a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: Subject: Re: Re:EDP next loop question Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 15:27:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01C1450D.639539E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C1450D.639539E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re:EDP next loop questionWhy would you need to press UNDO? Cliff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steve Sandberg=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 3:05 PM Subject: Re:EDP next loop question I think I just answered my own question by thumbing through the manual = -- if I set "Loop Copy" to time, and go into an empty loop by pressing = next loop followed by undo, I'm in record mode, and can end it by = another press of record. My drum machine keeps playing! I have my EDP receiving MIDI clock sync from a drum machine, and have = been facing the same problem -- the best I have been able to do is go to = a new loop, press record, count 4 beats of silence in the same tempo, = and go from there -- and somehow incorporate the 4 beats of silence as a = stylistic part of the music. If there's a better way, I'd love to hear = about it. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C1450D.639539E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re:EDP next loop question
Why would you need to press UNDO?
 
Cliff
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Steve Sandberg
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, September 24, = 2001 3:05=20 PM
Subject: Re:EDP next loop = question

I think I just answered my own = question by=20 thumbing through the manual -- if I set "Loop Copy" to time, and go = into an=20 empty loop by pressing next loop followed by undo, I'm in record mode, = and can=20 end it by another press of record.  My drum machine keeps=20 playing!


I have my EDP receiving MIDI = clock=20 sync from a drum machine, and have been facing the same problem -- the = best I=20 have been able to do is go to a new loop, press record, count 4 beats = of=20 silence in the same tempo, and go from there -- and somehow = incorporate the 4=20 beats of silence as a stylistic part of the music.  If there's a = better=20 way, I'd love to hear about = it.
 ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C1450D.639539E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 18:45:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02190; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 18:40:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 18:40:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014501c14549$f27b98c0$e363f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200109242210.SAA00608@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 15:40:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jim palmer wrote: "love bartok. listen to the string quartets regularly." I'm glad to hear you say it. I love that music...........also the exquisitely dynamic and melancholy 'Concerto for Orchestra'. Because of it's dynamic range, it was the first piece of classical music that I was glad to have a CD player for reproduction. Also, it is more abstract (please pardon my loose definition, Tom ;-) but have you guys/gals checked out 'Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima' by Krzysztof Penderecki? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 18:48:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02455; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 18:43:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 18:43:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <014501c14549$f27b98c0$e363f93f@dnlsh01> References: <200109242210.SAA00608@hemlock.violacea.com> <014501c14549$f27b98c0$e363f93f@dnlsh01> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 18:41:44 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: Re: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >\Also, it is more abstract (please pardon my loose definition, Tom ;-) >but have you guys/gals checked out 'Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima' >by Krzysztof Penderecki? have you seen the score for it?? absolutely amazing. as is most of pederecki's work (and by the way, its pronounced pen-der-eski, not -ecki). plexus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 19:25:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05020; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 19:19:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 19:19:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002d01c1454f$43cfa860$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <00df01c14515$f99b2a50$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: memory and improvisation Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 00:18:46 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Very true, this thread is what this list shines at the most. Bad English, huh? Nonetheless, if I might, I'd like to put forth a bit on improvisation, which we all agree is a vital part of looping music. There are, as a warning, two sides to this, jamming/improv/composition, and performance. In the process of learning how to play in front of people, I repeatedly found myself placed in the position - mostly up at the tunnels you've heard so much about - of coming up with something that perhaps empathically reflected the mood of the group listening. I was the one apparently trusted with not despoiling the uh, mood of people at shall we say was a critical time of the evening. A peak and after-effect, if you will. I knew that I had to not venture into areas that were negatively-charged, unless they were short, and finished in an up-tone manner, a kind of end of the trip through the woods. My only tools due to technical restraints were my e-Bow, an acoustic steel-string, and the reverberation I'd get off the tunnels. For weeks before each tunnel trip, for the first couple of times, I worried about what I would do when those moments happened. Would I be responsible for someone having a bummer, because I didn't pay attention and succumbed to something darker while playing? You know the drill. After a while I learned how to let go of all of that crap, and become what I termed "transparent", or if you will stripped of the layers of pretention, while playing. The end result became a more responsive reflection of how people felt listening to me play; and once I had a hook on that, I felt that it was possible to lift everyone up. I'm not trying to toot my own horn here, and I hope you know that. I'm pointing to the fact that, when I stopped trying to control it, the music would happily occur as a reflection of the mood that was there. And, the more transparent I was to the playing itself, the happier I was with the playing also. It was those bi-yearly trips up in the San Gabriel canyon, between 1992-2000, that taught me a lot about where I was playing-wise, with respect to improvisation and "just letting it happen." Up there also, when the crucial period of the evening was over, I would mentally go back and revisit some of the riffs and such found in those sessions, playing from around midnight until as late as 5 or 6. By that time of course my fingers hurt a lot, after all that riding the strings and stretching 'em; but I didn't really mind. I'd found music in the process, and after redoing some of the themes in the early hours after most had fallen asleep, I embedded them in my psyche. Those themes resulted in pieces that appear on the forthcoming "Songs From A Tunnel" collection; and I usually returned to them in the "post fever dream" period of the evening/morning. This would lead then to the performance of pieces that one has done before. In the pursuit of performance craft, I began to realize that sometimes people want you to play stuff they've heard on your CD etc. For some reason I don't have difficulty popping up and playing a piece quite exactly as recorded - at least as far as my work goes. The framework exists, over which the riffs and notes occur, each reminding me of the next. For those of you who read music and learned that way, well, I didn't. I'm one of those cursed guys for whom everything's by ear. But I remember it nonetheless, a kind of holistic image if you will. But you didn't want to just bash it out time after time - you get bored, the audience gets bored too, though not as fast as the player I think. Well, I'm my own worst critic I suppose. But instead of crucifying myself over it, I took instead a tip from the way the Grateful Dead played: they always played a song differently, never the same way twice from one night to the next. End result? People could go to three-night show sets, and still have a great time whether they were partying or not. So the essence of the piece would remain, the part listeners remember most, and the rest would happen on top, at least mentally. I'm not saying this as if I created this method by any stretch of the imagination - I'm just saying that this is what I came up with and it makes me happy with the music I play. Is this improvisation? I think not. But then, what do I know, huh? Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.live365.com/stations/218194 * EarthLight Online / Live! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 19:27:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05509; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 19:23:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 19:23:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 16:17:40 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200109242210.SAA00608@hemlock.violacea.com> <014501c14549$f27b98c0$e363f93f@dnlsh01> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:41 PM -0400 9/24/01, Brett Maraldo wrote: >>\Also, it is more abstract (please pardon my loose definition, Tom ;-) >>but have you guys/gals checked out 'Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima' >>by Krzysztof Penderecki? > > >have you seen the score for it?? absolutely amazing. I've heard that the origin of the notational technique used in the score (not the individual parts) came in reaction to complaints form the music copyists. Whether that's true or not, it has set a standard. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 19:27:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05327; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 19:22:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 19:22:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004301c1454f$a38945e0$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <00df01c14515$f99b2a50$080210ac@jpalmer> <016a01c1451b$edab8900$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: memory and improvisation Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 00:21:25 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh, and one more thing, something I picked up from watching Robert Fripp's Guitar Craft / League of Crafty Guitarists perform. Find the silence inbetween. Sometimes you let it stay, sometimes you fill it. Both the leaving and the putting are actions. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.live365.com/stations/218194 * EarthLight Online / Live! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 19:27:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05424; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 19:23:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 19:23:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 16:15:39 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us In-reply-to: <014501c14549$f27b98c0$e363f93f@dnlsh01> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200109242210.SAA00608@hemlock.violacea.com> <014501c14549$f27b98c0$e363f93f@dnlsh01> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:40 PM -0700 9/24/01, Rick Walker (loop.pool) wrote: >Also, it is more abstract (please pardon my loose definition, Tom ;-) >but have you guys/gals checked out 'Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima' >by Krzysztof Penderecki? This has been a big influence on me. I was introduced to the piece in a class in the analysis of 20th century music at UCSC back in '77, and I've used such dense layerings in my own music ever since. I finally made my own Polish string orchestra piece in collaboration with bassist Robert Black. In that case all the sounds were from Robert's double bass playing: in some case multiple overdubs, in some cases layered sounds using TC2290 delays with long delay settings and feedback, in some cases layers of sampled arco bass on a MIDI sampler (using lots of slow pitch bends). The resulting 8-track backing tape was diffused though 12 surround speakers while Robert played solo in a concerto relationship. Penderecki's use of sound masses (or pitch bands, or noise bands - whatever you like to call them) is related in some ways to similar practice by Ligeti, Xenakis, and others, but Penderecki always does sound like himself. I once heard him conduct a piece commissioned by a factory. The sound of the orchestra quite resembled a huge assembly line. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 19:42:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06547; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 19:40:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 19:40:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006601c14552$43e1f080$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <200109242210.SAA00608@hemlock.violacea.com> <014501c14549$f27b98c0$e363f93f@dnlsh01> Subject: Re: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 00:39:57 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <8fYxe.A.4lB.gR8r7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yep. Introduced to Beethoven at 10, mainly because I was into Peanuts (besides being the only kid in school who could draw the characters), and Schroeder of course was Ludwig Von's devotee. When my parents bought the Time-Life Beethoven Bicentennial collection - all Deutche Grammophon, Berlin Philharmonic - I truly fell in love with that work. I can't sit and listen to the 6th without tissues, nor the 10th. Wagner's work speaks to me on a level I still don't understand, somehow encapsulating the feelings of people without requiring an operatic company to be there. If I ever get a chance to see the Ring again - I missed it when it came through in the early 1980s - I'll go with several handkerchiefs. (My mother-in-law says that this is being "simpatico".) It provided a basis for further listening to other classical composers, and when I got my first paper route money at 11, started buying not the classical stuff, which was too expensive - my parents got that stuff for me - but movie soundtracks. Some of it really interesting stuff. It developed my taste for what I term "situational music". Little did I know that, when I turned back in my 30s and began seriously listening to Mahler, Max Steiner, and forward to Jerry Goldsmith (I still like his stuff better than John Williams'). I love Samuel Barber's work, his 2nd movement of Adagio for Strings makes me weep. Most folks have heard it in the main soundtrack to the film "Platoon", and have thought that it was just part of the soundtrack (a step down for its use in my opinion, because it nearly rendered the piece into a cliche, thankfully not quite). The final night of the BBC Proms - a several month long program at the Albert Hall involving a huge array of music and talent - usually involves a lot of British flag-waving and singing of Good Old British Songs. This year it was scheduled for September 15. I don't need to tell you what happened that week. As a coincidence, for the first time an American conductor - can't remember his name - did the honors. They changed the entire program to be one of mourning, but not just that, reflection, and the program included the many old and new orchestral pieces, as well as the good old Adagio for Strings. It finished with the final movement of Beethoven's 9th, the infamous "Song/Ode to Joy", and the encore, as a bow to where the Proms of course were, was "Jerusalem", which truly sounds incredible when sung by the entire audience and choir, folks. Music heals, it transports, it helps us transcend pain and trouble in this world, and perhaps give us a hint of another. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" To: Sent: 24 September 2001 23:40 PM Subject: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us > > jim palmer wrote: > > "love bartok. > listen to the string quartets regularly." > > I'm glad to hear you say it. I love that music...........also the > exquisitely dynamic and melancholy 'Concerto for Orchestra'. Because of > it's dynamic range, it was the first piece of classical music that I was > glad to have a CD player for reproduction. > > > Also, it is more abstract (please pardon my loose definition, Tom ;-) > but have you guys/gals checked out 'Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima' > by Krzysztof Penderecki? > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 19:47:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06894; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 19:45:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 19:45:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010924194039.007e3970@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 19:40:39 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us In-Reply-To: References: <014501c14549$f27b98c0$e363f93f@dnlsh01> <200109242210.SAA00608@hemlock.violacea.com> <014501c14549$f27b98c0$e363f93f@dnlsh01> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <18o4h.A.RrB.1V8r7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:41 PM 9/24/01 -0400, you wrote: >>but have you guys/gals checked out 'Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima' >>by Krzysztof Penderecki? I usually put a cd on 'repeat all' quietly throughout the night while I sleep; Robert Rich, Eno, Steve Roach, shakuhachi, bansuri, etc... One night last week I'd been playing Penderecki, and decided to sleep to Threnody. I only made it a couple of hours before I woke up and had to shut it off! > >have you seen the score for it?? absolutely amazing. as is most of >pederecki's work (and by the way, its pronounced pen-der-eski, not >-ecki). According to this it's more like "pen-der-ETski"... I'd still like to know how to pronounce Varese, though... -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 20:15:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09662; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 20:13:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 20:13:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 17:03:45 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us In-reply-to: <006601c14552$43e1f080$0201a8c0@stephen> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: "Stephen P. Goodman" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200109242210.SAA00608@hemlock.violacea.com> <014501c14549$f27b98c0$e363f93f@dnlsh01> <006601c14552$43e1f080$0201a8c0@stephen> Resent-Message-ID: <0us11C.A.VWC.mv8r7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:39 AM +0100 9/25/01, Stephen P. Goodman wrote: >Jerry Goldsmith (I still like his stuff better than John Williams'). Jerry is much beloved by the musicians he works with. At his 70th birthday bash the party favors were baseball caps with a little white pony tail made of yarn, and an inscription, "Yo Jerry! You are one of us." > As a coincidence, for the first time an American conductor - >can't remember his name - did the honors. 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Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Cc: "Richard Zvonar" References: <200109242210.SAA00608@hemlock.violacea.com> <014501c14549$f27b98c0$e363f93f@dnlsh01> <006601c14552$43e1f080$0201a8c0@stephen> Subject: Re: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 01:25:08 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" To: "Stephen P. Goodman" ; Sent: 25 September 2001 01:03 AM Subject: Re: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us > At 12:39 AM +0100 9/25/01, Stephen P. Goodman wrote: > > >Jerry Goldsmith (I still like his stuff better than John Williams'). > > Jerry is much beloved by the musicians he works with. At his 70th > birthday bash the party favors were baseball caps with a little white > pony tail made of yarn, and an inscription, "Yo Jerry! You are one of > us." I still love his soundtrack to the original "Alien". Though the sequels are patched up with variations on the original themes, and other classical pieces to fill in the cracks. > > > As a coincidence, for the first time an American conductor - > >can't remember his name - did the honors. > > Leonard Slatkin I remember now! Not Reed Slatkin - no relation - who made over $500 million from investors disappear into parts undocumented! Thanks Richard. You know, the guy's eyes never looked down the entire time he was conducting. During the Barber piece his face was wet with tears, and he specified that there be no applause at the end. When it was over some folks - not many - couldn't help it and clapped briefly. He then walked off and I had forgotten the practice of going offstage to get the vocalists and introduce them. Undoubtedly he mopped up as well. The man still kept it together. Just beyond awesome. I'll go see him conduct anytime. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.live365.com/stations/218194 * EarthLight Online / Live! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 21:38:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14367; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 21:36:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 21:36:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074155@MITOREXCH01> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "Looper's Delight (E-mail)" Subject: RE: memory and improvisation Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 20:16:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C14557.5BE17CA0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14557.5BE17CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Find the silence inbetween. Sometimes you let it stay, sometimes you fill it. Both the leaving and the putting are actions. ** excellent point. knowing when to not play is really important - - something that i believe many improvisers forget about. i think it also goes to back to my comments about creating form - - you can create form in the improvisations by not playing/leaving space and then creating entrances. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14557.5BE17CA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: memory and improvisation

Find the silence inbetween.  Sometimes you let = it stay, sometimes you fill
it.  Both the leaving and the putting are = actions.

** excellent point. knowing when to not play is = really important  - - something that i believe many improvisers = forget about. i think it also goes to back to my comments about = creating form - - you can create form in the improvisations by not = playing/leaving space and then creating entrances.

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C14557.5BE17CA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 21:38:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14358; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 21:36:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 21:36:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074153@MITOREXCH01> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 19:56:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C14554.99173950" Resent-Message-ID: <3wr2a.A.YfD.d99r7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14554.99173950 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >\Also, it is more abstract (please pardon my loose definition, Tom ;-) >but have you guys/gals checked out 'Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima' >by Krzysztof Penderecki? have you seen the score for it?? absolutely amazing. as is most of pederecki's work (and by the way, its pronounced pen-der-eski, not -ecki). ** i've heard it's pen-der etski (this from my polish-born music history prof who was, apparently, a friend of penderecki). in my view, the must-have of kp's music is the saint luke passion. (but there's quite a lot of his music that is really great.) check it out. people on this list might also be interested in the music of giancinto scelsi. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14554.99173950 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us

>\Also, it is more abstract (please pardon my = loose definition, Tom ;-)
>but have you guys/gals checked out 'Threnody for = the Victims of Hiroshima'
>by Krzysztof Penderecki?


have you seen the score for it?? absolutely amazing. = as is most of
pederecki's work (and by the way, its pronounced = pen-der-eski, not
-ecki).

** i've heard it's pen-der etski (this from my = polish-born music history prof who was, apparently, a friend of = penderecki).

in my view, the must-have of kp's music is the saint = luke passion. (but there's quite a lot of his music that is really = great.) check it out.

people on this list might also be interested in the = music of giancinto scelsi.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C14554.99173950-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 23:03:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20682; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 23:01:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 23:01:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00bf01c1456e$9da77100$c064f93f@looppool> From: "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" To: References: <200109250138.VAA14783@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 20:03:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stephen Goodman wrote: "I love Samuel Barber's work, his 2nd movement of Adagio for Strings makes me weep." I, too, love that piece of music. As a matter of fact, I grabbed a very small loop from it as the only not original loop I used on my "loop.pool" CD in one of the last ambient pieces. I also used three or four percussion samples. I opened them up in Windows Media Player and let them all loop at different speeds (at a slow tempo) which created a really trancey rhythmic phasing thing. I love how it came out, emotionally, and it took very little time to actually 'produce'. It was one of the very first things I did when I first got into computer music (two years ago). I, personally, love the impressionists, particularly Ravel and Debussy. I love Debussy's "Prelude al'apres-midi d'un faune "..........Ravel's "Variations on a Theme by Thomas Tallis". I've always loved music with a tinge of melancholy in it. The great Russian poet, Yevtushenko has said that "we should have a healthy melancholy attitude towards life". I grew up in a very dysfunctional home, so I really relate to this sentiment. I love Ralph Vaugh William (pronounced Rafe), the british composer. His piece, "The lark ascending" is one of the most beautiful pieces of music ever written in my opinion. If I ever have a need to cry and am having a difficult time of it, I can put this piece of music on and it works like a charm. If you are interested, try to find the Adrian Boult recording (I believe on Angel records) it is slower and more melancholy than a lot of the more recent versions. Another exquisite piece is the very often overlooked and underrecorded, "Music for Mallet Instruments, Voices and Electric Music for Mallet Instruments" by Steve Reich. The solo cello suites by BACH (200 years ahead of their times) The late string quartets by BEETHOVEN (also far more modern than any other things that he wrote) These are a few of my favorite things.............yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 00:01:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22996; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 23:48:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 23:48:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BB000C9.4026@Hevanet.Com.> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 20:58:01 -0700 From: DaViD AuKeR X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Thread: Classical Music Influence References: <200109250138.VAA14783@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stephen P. Goodman said: > Music heals, it transports, it helps us transcend pain and trouble in this > world, and perhaps give us a hint of another. Amen! Makes me think of a classical/pop/etc concert here in Portland, commemorating the music representing Earth which was sent to outer space aboard the Voyager spacecraft. Carl Sagan's wife, Ann Druyan was present, and said that life from other worlds listening to our music might actually have more understanding than us! Universal language? David Auker ~enjoying throaty songs of chickadees this fine autumn day~ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 00:15:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA24918; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 00:07:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 00:07:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BB0029B.2030D05@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 21:28:52 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us References: <200109242210.SAA00608@hemlock.violacea.com> <014501c14549$f27b98c0$e363f93f@dnlsh01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" wrote: > jim palmer wrote: > > "love bartok. > listen to the string quartets regularly." > > I'm glad to hear you say it. I love that music...........also the > exquisitely dynamic and melancholy 'Concerto for Orchestra'. Because of > it's dynamic range, it was the first piece of classical music that I was > glad to have a CD player for reproduction. > > Also, it is more abstract (please pardon my loose definition, Tom ;-) > but have you guys/gals checked out 'Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima' > by Krzysztof Penderecki? oh yeah, rick! (p.'s threnody) that's quite a piece (and unfortunately rather apropos considering events of late). the concerto for orchestra is one of my fave bartok pieces also. anyone into charles ives? lotsa dynamics there...interesting to balance his string quartet no. 1 with the much more radical (and heralded) no. 2...his piano sonatas astonish, and there's also the little pieces for quarter-toned pianos...deeply affecting. and another piano work (while i'm on it) to investigate is aaron copland's piano variations (composed early '30's). very much influenced by schoenberg/berg...also his piano fantasy (late '50's). definitely NOT appalachian spring... :-) lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 00:23:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25513; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 00:19:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 00:19:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BB0059B.E18C6675@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 21:41:44 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us References: <014501c14549$f27b98c0$e363f93f@dnlsh01> <200109242210.SAA00608@hemlock.violacea.com> <014501c14549$f27b98c0$e363f93f@dnlsh01> <3.0.5.32.20010924194039.007e3970@pop.metrocast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim Nelson wrote: > At 06:41 PM 9/24/01 -0400, you wrote: > >>but have you guys/gals checked out 'Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima' > >>by Krzysztof Penderecki? > > I usually put a cd on 'repeat all' quietly throughout the night while I > sleep; Robert Rich, Eno, Steve Roach, shakuhachi, bansuri, etc... One night > last week I'd been playing Penderecki, and decided to sleep to Threnody. I > only made it a couple of hours before I woke up and had to shut it off! > > > >have you seen the score for it?? absolutely amazing. as is most of > >pederecki's work (and by the way, its pronounced pen-der-eski, not > >-ecki). > > According to this it's more > like "pen-der-ETski"... > > I'd still like to know how to pronounce Varese, though... > > -t i've always pronounced it va-raise (as in raison d'etre) and i've never been corrected by anyone (could be that it's so far off no one has any hope for me, tho...) lance g. (pronounced jET-ski) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 00:27:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25937; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 00:26:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 00:26:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BB0072E.7D67BA04@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 21:48:29 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us References: <200109250138.VAA14783@hemlock.violacea.com> <00bf01c1456e$9da77100$c064f93f@looppool> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" wrote: (snip) > I love Ralph Vaugh William (pronounced Rafe), the british composer. His > piece, "The lark ascending" is one of the most beautiful pieces of music > ever written in my opinion. a real beaut... > If I ever have a need to cry and am having a > difficult time of it, I can put this piece of music on and it works like a > charm. If you are interested, try to find the Adrian Boult recording > (I believe on Angel records) it is slower and more melancholy than a lot of > the more recent versions. good tip- i need to get the cd of this! > Another exquisite piece is the very often overlooked and underrecorded, > "Music for Mallet Instruments, Voices and Electric Music for Mallet > Instruments" by Steve Reich. > > The solo cello suites by BACH (200 years ahead of their times) > > The late string quartets by BEETHOVEN (also far more modern than any other > things that he wrote) have a(nother) listen to beethoven's piano sonata no. 31. imo quite modern (and melancholic). but keep that box of kleenex next your speakers... lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 00:59:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27050; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 00:50:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 00:50:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.69.204.54] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 04:49:14 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Sep 2001 04:49:14.0764 (UTC) FILETIME=[6D27D4C0:01C1457D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick..ol' chum....that is one of my favorite all time pieces of music! Max >>but have you guys/gals checked out 'Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima' >>by Krzysztof Penderecki? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 01:12:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28962; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 01:09:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 01:09:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01d801c14530$4a94b150$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D007414F@MITOREXCH01> <01d801c14530$4a94b150$080210ac@jpalmer> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 01:09:06 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: Bartok conceptual art and improvisation/Abstract vs. concrete Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:37 PM -0500 9/24/01, jim palmer wrote: > >have you checked out webern's string quartet music? > >i'm not too familiar with webern. >i know most of these guys only from studying music theory in college. >i kind of got it backwards, studying it first, then listening. >i come from the rock and roll side of things. >this led to some interesting clashes with "jazzers" and "classical" types. > > > >btw, i'd say that, even though scheonberg was "demolishing >tonality," he was really just extending the late romantic tradition >to one logical extreme. > >totally agree. >i think that it is easier to study it than to hear it, if you know >what i mean... > > > i believe that bartok also had a tonality system, though i don't >know much about it and it seems like too much for my little brain > >love bartok. >listen to the string quartets regularly. >i think his system is somewhat geometric as well. >a very bartokian sonority is to superimpose major and >minor triads with the same tonic in a way that results in a vertically (pitch) >symetrical shape (ex. E3 G3 C4 Eb4: minor third, perfect fourth, >minor third). >very cool... > >he also used hungarian folk melodies as source >material to manipulate in sonically new ways. >so he was quite the "remixer," too. >i'd love to hear what he would have done with modern electronics. > His first string quartet continues to amaze me -- the cello parts feel like a precursor to punk/funk bass playing. I keep wondering how he managed to notate those sounds. -- "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times" -- Charles Dickens Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 03:52:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA04051; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 03:51:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 03:51:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010924100929.025caec8@loopers-delight.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010924100929.025caec8@loopers-delight.com> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 04:50:44 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP "Next Loop" question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <0Jk_l.A.04.YdDs7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Great how you explain that Kim, thank you! I can add to the "SwitchQuant": When you use CYC, you have to be carefull to press Next early enough (right after loop start) and then press the executing function you want quick enough. Usually its not a problem, but if you have short loops or want to step through many loops (there will be 16, in the upgrade), it can make you nervous. CNF is a great solution for this, but has the problem that you must press the executing function exactly at the spot you want to switch the loop. So in the upgrade, we combined the two ideas and added another two values to the parameter: Cycle+Confirm Loop+ Confirm Without the executing function press, nothing happens. Once you press it, its only executed at the next Cycle or Loop end. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 03:52:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03618; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 03:50:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 03:50:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <00df01c14515$f99b2a50$080210ac@jpalmer> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 04:50:20 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: memory and improvisation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >gosh, i'm a little overwhelmed here... > >i feel like i'm just getting my head above water on personal >improvement epithets, ya know? > >just do it. >be all you can be. >is it in you? >go farther. > >and now i gotta try to > >>"be the hose"... ??? > >whew! :-) > >rich I hope I understand what you mean. If so, my intention was not to make anyone feel like "I have to make an effort not to remember what I play" or anything like that. It was rather about priorities, about valorizing (does that only exist in portugese? or what is the verb for "to give a higher value"?) what comes anyway. When we had a shop in Winterthur, I often observed musicians while testing equipment. Its an intersting situation, because the musician just listens to the sound quality, but hardly plays just one note to compare "scientifically" but lets some music come through to get the feel of the sound, and when they like it they get off on it and when they come back they think they need the gadget because they feel good, while really they feel good having been hose. And sometimes I sad: "hey that was great music" and they reacted like: "but I did not play anything". I should have recorded some of the stuff, for them, mainly :-). Maybe this observation is not limited to improv: I dont interprete any composition, so I dont know about it: Doesnt it happen that you play a composition you once studied consciously and you end up forgetting that you are playing it? Or: someone interrupts you and you have no idea where you have been in the composition? In the car sometimes: You drive a known way and suddenly get the feeling that you dont know where you are (because your ... really is somewhere else)... is this another kind of "being the hose"? I am on ice here because I speak about routine, the apparent oposit of the improv, but there may be something related about it... Maybe chanting mantras is the oposit of looping? One is routine and the other often improv... or does looping even close the circle between two ways to the same aim? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 03:52:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03801; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 03:50:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 03:50:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D007414E@MITOREXCH01> References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D007414E@MITOREXCH01> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 04:50:25 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: memory and improvisation Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com RE: memory and improvisation
as far as improvising musicians not remembering what they played, or what other people played . . . i don't know if i agree with that. some of the  best improvisers i know are able to sing what they or someone else did during an improv - - sometimes many days later. another way to look at this is if one is improvising form - - in other words, repeatable or recurring sections in an improvisation. it's awfully helpful to be able to remember what you or another played did in order to repeat and reshape a motif or texture in order to bring a "section" back around. in the improv.

shure, if you want such a structure, you may be right (although I am surprised sometimes how themes come back without me remembering them).
But I observe that I dont need this structure as a listener. Most musicians teach me that its necessary for understanding, but I am not sure.
In the last century, we got rid of so many cages, music without melody, without rhythm, without tonal scale, without tonal center was explored, but hardly music without "structure", but I may be totally wrong here...

it is nice to be able to do something one has never done before in an improvisation. but, my guess is, if we had to adhere to that as a prerequisite for doing any improv, most would have to stop right now!

I think the atitude is important: I find it much different to repeat some cliche because it just comes up, or to repeat it because I think its smart or necessary or different or whatever.

i tend to think that improvisation means different things to different people: for some it means "jamming on rock tunes/jazz standards"; for some it means "total free playing"; for some it means "using written material for a jumping-off place"; for some it means "spontaneous composition."

right!
how to use looping in improv. if one is looking for complete freedom and non-repetition (if that is one's definition) in improv, it seems that looping can hinder that "complete freedom." the very fact that something is looping in repetition can be a lock. of course, if one's idea is that improv is "spontaneous composition," looping does not necessarily need to have a negative effect - - it is part of the "composition."

I wonder how the new technology with non volatile memory for lots of loops influences this.
The memory can be used to save the "cliches", or to free you from the effort (distraction?) to remember the theme (once you want to do such structured music).

You save a loop and bring it back the next night, save another line with it and such make the composition richer each time you improvise it...
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 03:52:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA04248; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 03:51:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 03:51:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 04:50:50 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: being born Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To me, this is the most beautifull post in a long while... poetic, dialectic enough that nobody answeres - which does not mean nobody liked it! I especially love the word "multiverse", is that in use somewhere? Thank you, Jan Pek! >i am pleased that people are coming together to redefine the >paradigm for spontaneous music magic, for trance induction. we >return to the spirit realms, riding presence through the screaming >tunnel to the dreaming. and i am pleased that taps to noetic >manifest ideas are opening, once again. inventors of musical tools, >someone pointed out, are increasingly guiding the direction of >music. to me, the way the channel opens is the music. the process is >the doorway to magic. > >you just get out of the way. > >Here we are, unwedging our minds, hedging our beliefs about time, so >elastic, sounds LOOP-LOOP-LOOP, sounds come in from our memory, our >libraries akashic records. in the center of the multiverse of >polyrhythmic spin, nebulae, pulsar, seasons, rain, is the creator, >the improviser, doing his little jam. the rest is just manifest, >just a box full of patterns waiting to be cued. > >i am here to help us connect to that pulse in galaxy's heart. what >is calling to us, asking to be born? > >EDP and the Repeater are rungs on a spiral ladder opening our >perception of time and sound. but before we can advance, each of our >'techwizards' and 'artistes' need to release ownership, release ego, >and embrace open-source paradigm and algorithm sharing, human need >driven development, and temperence. its just candy. its just candy. >its nobody's music. its nobody's ideas. give thanks to the Nagual >spirit, who blesses you with these steps. look back, they're >crumbling. look forward, they dont exist. just keep climbing, giving >thanks, your feet are on the ground, your head is in the clouds, >your chords are ringing hearts EVERYWHERE! > >to me, the LD list is like a good grease, lubricating the ideas. so >happy to be here! > >love >jan p. > -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 03:52:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03616; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 03:50:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 03:50:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00a901c1450d$9b2f6330$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <12d.4ee21ca.28ddc9b7@aol.com> <00a901c1450d$9b2f6330$080210ac@jpalmer> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 04:49:30 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: on octave dividing Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Re: on octave dividing
isn't that an octave up instead of down?

the analog electronics way to create an octave up is by rectifying. Just imagine the secon part of the wave being flipped upward, too, so the period is 4 times shorter than the one shown now, right?

 
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 03:52:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03620; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 03:50:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 03:50:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 04:50:22 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: memory and improvisation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > i wonder if it is possible to improvise entirely without licks... > >I've wondered at times, that after lengthy exploration of your >instrument and it's normal and extended techniques, if you "run out" >of completely surprising moments available to you due to your >familiarity with your instrument? Not that I'm anywhere near >something like that, but I do sometimes feel that I've developed a >"toolbox" of techniques and sounds which I'm often compelled to try >and reach beyond. I am waiting for this point for years. When I took the decision to only improvize, I talked to an advanced musician and he said I would get to a boarder soon, without studying new things. I limited my range of effects and use the same for years and its still going foreward. When sex get boring, you can: - buy gadgets - get another partner - take a break - change your attitude ...but you cannot change your instrument :-) > > > but it seems to me that those new musical ideas that flow during >improvisation come mostly from recombinations of other ideas in the >musical meme pool rather than entirely new concepts. what would "entirely new" be? Isnt it very subjectif? I use the same words and expressions every day, but do I say the same? I may pick up a groups expressions to "be one of them", or even repeat what others say, as I do here: >Matthias quotes what he remembers Martial Solal said: > >>"Real improvising musicians dont remember what they play. Many >can play amazing combinations of phrases they remember, but its just >a collage of clichees. It really starts where we play what we dont >know ourselves. ... improvisation takes a lot of very quick >thinking!" > >Assemblage of "known" phrases and response to others playing is >pretty much the bulk of what happens in improv. Truly reinventing >oneself (epiphany) and playing *entirely* new, unknown passages >seems to be the exception. Aspiring to that is the path, I guess... >Using a combination of a "blank sheet" approach to improv passages, >and trying to think thematically on my feet, seems to get me the >most mileage. This presumes that I and my partners are listening >well and spontaneously reacting to each other. right. But its very different to listen to each other or to listen to the whole! >The fact remains, that all players are burdened by a certain range >of sounds and techniques available to them at any given point in >their career, and are bound by whatever limitations those imply. The >creative use of those are what takes it into the sublime. exactly! Usually I dont figure out what expressions I may use before I speak nor do I keep a vocabulary at home. In some toolbox there may be more sounds, in others more licks or chord changes, its what the water has to deal with when it comes through your hose, its what you offer to the spirit that may want to speak through you. (so the more you practise, the more the spirits become interested so you have more to select from... me on ice again :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 04:01:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06855; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 04:00:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 04:00:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004601c14548$14465500$0301a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> References: <004601c14548$14465500$0301a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 04:59:41 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Re:EDP next loop question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Why would you need to press UNDO? Its like saying "do the simple swiching, I dont want any additional function to happen in the new loop". > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Steve Sandberg >To: >Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 3:05 PM >Subject: Re:EDP next loop question > >I think I just answered my own question by thumbing through the >manual -- if I set "Loop Copy" to time, and go into an empty loop by >pressing next loop followed by undo, I'm in record mode, and can end >it by another press of record. My drum machine keeps playing! > > >I have my EDP receiving MIDI clock sync from a drum machine, and >have been facing the same problem -- the best I have been able to do >is go to a new loop, press record, count 4 beats of silence in the >same tempo, and go from there -- and somehow incorporate the 4 beats >of silence as a stylistic part of the music. If there's a better >way, I'd love to hear about it. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 04:42:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA08542; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 04:40:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 04:40:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: memory and improvisation Reply-To: A.Willers@t-online.de From: A.Willers@t-online.de (A.Willers) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 10:40:19 +0000 X-Mailer: Musashi 3.2.3-es Message-ID: <15lnky-03Rf04C@fwd03.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 520012547034-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Great observations on improv, Steve. There is a great book by pianist Kenny Werner, EFFORTLESS MASTERY (published by Jamie Aebersold) that deals with the fears involved in performance and the difficulties of 'letting it happen'. He suggests quite simple things along the lines of positive thinking, well worth checking out! Reminds me that Pat Martino used to mention that among his students there usually are the 'searchers' - and the 'finders'. Finding things and letting them happen....... big point. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 04:42:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA08724; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 04:40:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 04:40:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010925084003.12152.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 01:40:03 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Matthias/Kim 8th/beats To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Do you still intend to increase the range of the 8th/beats parameter? I prefer syncing my drum machine to the EDP, but I often record loops that are too long for the drum machine to play at a decent speed. I've never gotten the hang of using INSERT to set the cycle length within a loop,(especially when I don't know myself, sometimes, where the loop is going). John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 05:00:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA10898; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 04:59:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 04:59:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010925011402.025afa48@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 01:56:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: memory and improvisation In-Reply-To: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D007414E@MITOREXCH01> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:32 AM 9/24/2001, Liebig, Steuart A. wrote: >an interesting sidelight - - and maybe one more in keeping with the topic >of this list - - is how to use looping in improv. if one is looking for >complete freedom and non-repetition (if that is one's definition) in >improv, it seems that looping can hinder that "complete freedom." the very >fact that something is looping in repetition can be a lock. I think that is a question of the looping techniques you have at your disposal, and the extent to which the tools you use support an improvisational approach. And the extent to which you have become familiar enough with those techniques to comfortably work with them live. looping definitely doesn't have to be locked with the same thing repeating forever! To me that is really the entry level of looping, and moving past that to solve the problem you mention is where it really gets interesting. I think it is very interesting that Matthias, who defines himself musically as an improvisor and brought this topic up, is also the main inventor of the Echoplex. It is interesting to see how one affects the other; Matthias' needs for being able to use and manipulate loops in a very spontaneous way during improvisation has very much to do with why the echoplex works the way it does. And using the echoplex for years in improvisational looping continues to inspire ideas for the next generation of it. He created tools to solve his problems and meet his needs. Or perhaps you could say, he created a given set of improvisational looping techniques and then created the instrument to enable him to do it in real time. Similar for my role in it, like Matthias I find I'm only interested in improvisation as a musician and it's been that way for me since I was a kid. Maybe that common interest is why we are able to see the vision of the thing well enough to work together on it without too many major arguments. ;-) Certainly though, I think that very tight focus on improvisational looping in it's inventors is what makes the echoplex the unique thing that it is. The tool is really the embodiment of our thoughts and ideas and techniques in answering your question, of how do you perform and improvise with looping? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 05:06:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA11371; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 05:03:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 05:03:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.117.54] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: memory and improvisation Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 04:02:54 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Sep 2001 09:02:55.0327 (UTC) FILETIME=[DD516EF0:01C145A0] Resent-Message-ID: <_HDS5B.A.ZwC.ehEs7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a question.... It's 4:00 am here in Chicago, and I am surprised that Kim is still up.... even though I am up also, but it's 4:00 am, and I am delusional.... I just got this email...... wuz up with that ? Lucien E. Darthard A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It. http://go.to/ldarthard/ ----Original Message Follows---- From: Kim Flint Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: memory and improvisation Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 01:56:19 -0700 At 11:32 AM 9/24/2001, Liebig, Steuart A. wrote: >an interesting sidelight - - and maybe one more in keeping with the topic >of this list - - is how to use looping in improv. if one is looking for >complete freedom and non-repetition (if that is one's definition) in >improv, it seems that looping can hinder that "complete freedom." the very >fact that something is looping in repetition can be a lock. I think that is a question of the looping techniques you have at your disposal, and the extent to which the tools you use support an improvisational approach. And the extent to which you have become familiar enough with those techniques to comfortably work with them live. looping definitely doesn't have to be locked with the same thing repeating forever! To me that is really the entry level of looping, and moving past that to solve the problem you mention is where it really gets interesting. I think it is very interesting that Matthias, who defines himself musically as an improvisor and brought this topic up, is also the main inventor of the Echoplex. It is interesting to see how one affects the other; Matthias' needs for being able to use and manipulate loops in a very spontaneous way during improvisation has very much to do with why the echoplex works the way it does. And using the echoplex for years in improvisational looping continues to inspire ideas for the next generation of it. He created tools to solve his problems and meet his needs. Or perhaps you could say, he created a given set of improvisational looping techniques and then created the instrument to enable him to do it in real time. Similar for my role in it, like Matthias I find I'm only interested in improvisation as a musician and it's been that way for me since I was a kid. Maybe that common interest is why we are able to see the vision of the thing well enough to work together on it without too many major arguments. ;-) Certainly though, I think that very tight focus on improvisational looping in it's inventors is what makes the echoplex the unique thing that it is. The tool is really the embodiment of our thoughts and ideas and techniques in answering your question, of how do you perform and improvise with looping? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 05:33:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA12534; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 05:32:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 05:32:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010925015729.02558c70@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 02:29:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: memory and improvisation In-Reply-To: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074155@MITOREXCH01> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:16 PM 9/24/2001, Liebig, Steuart A. wrote: >Find the silence inbetween. Sometimes you let it stay, sometimes you fill >it. Both the leaving and the putting are actions. > >** excellent point. knowing when to not play is really important - - >something that i believe many improvisers forget about. i think it also >goes to back to my comments about creating form - - you can create form in >the improvisations by not playing/leaving space and then creating entrances. An interesting point in regards to improvising loops as well. I have often noticed people fall into the looping lobster trap, where stuff keeps going into the loop and never comes out again. The loop space gets all filled up and layered deeper and deeper and it turns into the giant wall of sound loop that demolishes everything in it's path. And then they don't know what to do with that, so at the end they just turn it off, which for me as a listener is rather like running through a very thick and noisy fog and then suddenly colliding with a brick wall. silence in the loop is good. leave some there to begin with. But also, learn how to add silence to the loop. when the loop has gotten busy, learn to take some things out of it to make it change to less busy. Add space. Learn to make it more empty, in addition to more full. learn to make it go down sometimes instead of always up.... compositional form is another thing that looping should make more possible instead of less. But many people get into the "ok I've made my 2 bar loop, now I'm going to let it repeat for 19 minutes while I put you to sleep with my noodling" style of looping. instead of curing insomnia, you might use multiple loops and move between them as a means to create a form, or multiple loops each with a variation of an original loop to give the loop some movement. Or you might take it a little farther, and rather than just switching between loops you *evolve* loops from one place to another, so you still have that looping continuity. Section A doesn't just switch to Section B, it evolves to become B. And then with the idea of form again, learn to do more than just evolve from loop A to loop B to loop C, how about evolving C back into A, before going on to D? To me that is where looping is exciting, when it moves past the simplistic idea of a static audio sample that just repeats over and over, perhaps while being mixed with another static sample or two. Move past the idea of an immutable loop that gets saved and recalled and triggered and repeated but never itself changes, to where the actual process of creating and changing the loop itself becomes the form and then the music.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 05:41:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA13069; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 05:40:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 05:40:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010925023452.02559400@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 02:37:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: memory and improvisation In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:02 AM 9/25/2001, Dj Devious D wrote: >I have a question.... It's 4:00 am here in Chicago, and I am surprised >that Kim is still up.... even though I am up also, but it's 4:00 am, and I >am delusional.... >I just got this email...... wuz up with that ? a) my brain functions best at night. I don't know why. b) it won't be 4am here for a while yet. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 05:48:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA13514; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 05:47:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 05:47:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010925023825.025542c8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 02:44:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Matthias/Kim 8th/beats In-Reply-To: <20010925084003.12152.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:40 AM 9/25/2001, John Tidwell wrote: >Do you still intend to increase the range of the >8th/beats parameter? I prefer syncing my drum machine >to the EDP, but I often record loops that are too >long for the drum machine to play at a decent speed. yes, it will go much further. >I've never gotten the hang of using INSERT to set the >cycle length within a loop,(especially when I don't >know myself, sometimes, where the loop is going). I would encourage you to keep trying. I find using the Record-Insert method is really handy for midi clock. You can also use Record-Multiply as a tap tempo, where the multiply tap comes on the downbeat where you want the loop to start. Don't play anything between tapping record and multiply, consider the multiply tap as your startpoint. This way the drum machine will start right with you as you begin recording the loop, in the tempo that you tapped. (that's the technique I was thinking about when somebody asked about tap tempo on the echoplex a while ago and I never got around to fully answering.) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 06:11:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA15531; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 06:09:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 06:09:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010925100921.79863.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 03:09:21 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Matthias/Kim 8th/beats To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010925023825.025542c8@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you sir! I'm going to write this on a Post-It note & stick it to my forehead. Now, where did I put that damn note........? John --- Kim Flint wrote: > You can also use > Record-Multiply as a tap > tempo, where the multiply tap comes on the downbeat > where you want the loop > to start. Don't play anything between tapping record > and multiply, consider > the multiply tap as your startpoint. This way the > drum machine will start > right with you as you begin recording the loop, in > the tempo that you > tapped. (that's the technique I was thinking about > when somebody asked > about tap tempo on the echoplex a while ago and I > never got around to fully > answering.) > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | > http://www.loopers-delight.com > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 06:54:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA17014; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 06:53:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 06:53:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 11:54:54 +0100 Subject: Re: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us From: roberto To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3BB0029B.2030D05@earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6PsXyB.A.YIE.4HGs7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Talking about Bartok, the Microkosmos set of short pieces for keyboard that Bartok composed for his young son were what introduced me to a "different" kind of classical music when I was 14, it opened a whole new sonic world. They are a perfect example of balanced miniatures and mixed influences. If you like Bartok's string quartets (I love them all) you may even like those by Janacek, Enescu, Martinu, Glazunov and Szymanowsky, although less known they all share a very special, deep and moving intensity. For those who mentioned Beethoven, what about the incredible pieces he composed for the fortepiano when he was given a first prototype to test? It is fascinating to hear what he did with an instrument that was expanding the colour palette available to musicians. There is an interesting recording by Malcom Binns on a Broadwood 1814 fortepiano. And for those who mentioned Charles Ives, I love the composition (can't remember the title right now!) that simulates the effect of four bands playing separate pieces approaching the town square from four different directions. The gradual overlapping and then merging of the four pieces is quite unique! Roberto From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 06:55:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA17136; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 06:53:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 06:53:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 11:54:55 +0100 Subject: Re: memory and improvisation From: roberto To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010925015729.02558c70@loopers-delight.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 25/9/01 10:29 am, Kim Flint at kflint@loopers-delight.com wrote: > silence in the loop is good. leave some there to begin with. But also, > learn how to add silence to the loop. when the loop has gotten busy, learn > to take some things out of it to make it change to less busy. Add space. > Learn to make it more empty, in addition to more full. learn to make it go > down sometimes instead of always up.... > Very true. Silence is precious, it lets you underline the value of the sound that is about to follow, it allows time for taking your breath in, listen to the trail of the sound that's going away. Silence lets you take a step back to observe the whole picture before you dive in again to craft the details. Mastering the silence is not easy but it gives much more depth to the music. Roberto From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 07:54:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA20414; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 07:53:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 07:53:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <33.1b727a86.28e1c9f4@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 07:52:20 EDT Subject: EDP Trick To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Extracts part of a loop and reverses it, while allowing you to keep the original. SampleMode=Att Switchquant=CnF InsertMode=REV MoreLoops=2 Quantise=OFF Set up a loop Hit Nextloop Wait till start of section you want to reverse and hit Multiply At end of selection for reversal hit Insert (REV) Now you've got a bit of your loop suddenly going backwards. If you were playing over the top of this then that will get overdubbed and reversed. Go back to original loop with NextLoop followed by Undo, with this set up it will start from the beginnning of the loop. (On the whole, the Multiply >>> Insert (=REV) combination is an interesting one. Not covered in the manual, though Kim has mentioned it in terms of recording a long phrase over a repeated loop, then finishing with reverse ) My biggest wish for the new loop4 software is (apart from the crazy stuff) to be able to Multiply without having to overdub, if only in delay mode. andy butler (should be working) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 08:48:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA23487; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 08:46:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 08:46:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.237.88.170] From: "mike morris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: field recorders Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 12:45:15 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Sep 2001 12:45:15.0773 (UTC) FILETIME=[ECD7F2D0:01C145BF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey tim i have been using a marantz cassette field recorder since 95 and picked up a MD in 97. i love both of them. the marantz can sound comparable to a dat (if you dont want to use digital) when using metal tapes and nice condenser mics. ive recorded a lot of creeks,rivers, animals,insects,campers, and parties with itas i travelled around the country for a couple of years. the MD is great. the sound quality is good enough for me...being on a perpetual limited budget. it is 75% smaller than the marantz and much more accessible for recording when in those "non-recording zone" kind of places. i use the sony 717 dual condenser mic that is about 1" by 1". anyway, thats my little set up in the world. hope its some help. shane >From: Tim Nelson >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: field recorders >Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 22:40:14 -0400 > > > >There'$ alway$ Nagra, but they're a bit expen$ive. > >A portable MD would probably be your best bet. > >-t > >At 07:26 PM 8/21/01 -0700, you wrote: > >Is there any kind of portable reel to reel machine that could be used as >a > >field recorder? I think I remember seeing a picture of Cornelius holding > >one in the CD booklet of his album "Fantasma". If not, then does anyone >know > >of a good quality tape recorder that you could plug a mic into, I try to > >avoid digital equipment as much as possible. Thanks! > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 09:33:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26329; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 09:30:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 09:30:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 06:29:22 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Travis Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Gig Spam [Seattle, WA]: Electrochakra @ the Mars Bar 9/26/01 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Mars Bar has resolved their liquor license issues with the state, and is open for business again, so Electrochakra will be performing at the Mars Bar (609 Eastlake Ave., a few blocks north of REI) this Wednesday between 9PM and midnight. There is no cover charge. Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett Electrochakra -- Electrochakra website: http://www.electrochakra.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 09:55:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27368; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 09:52:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 09:52:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c145c8$d7b19600$09065cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #235 Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 09:48:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #235 September 20, 2001. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Pete Namlook (Pete Kuhlmann), an ambient musician and the owner of FAX records. The feature CD at midnight was "The Fires of Ork II" by Pete Namlook and Geir Jenssen and released on the FAX label. The vinyl show starter is now a new feature of the show, a leftover from WDIY's Salute to Records. I also played the music of Free System Projekt and Wave World in support of their upcoming concert at the Gathering and on EMUSIC. Pete Namlook http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2001/focus01.html#sep EM Events http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Klaus Schulze Stardancer II Body Love Vol. 2 (Brain) Free System Projekt Substance Pointless Reminder (Quantum) Wave World Odyssey Part III Dimensions (Quantum) Orbital Decay Grey Horizon Orbital Decay (none) Dweller at the Threshold After Logic Fails Ouroborus (Hypnos/Binary) 12:00 am Namlook & Jenssen In Heaven The Fires or Ork II (FAX) Namlook & Jenssen When the Night Was Black The Fires or Ork II (FAX) Namlook & Jenssen Sky Lounger The Fires or Ork II (FAX) Namlook & Jenssen A Way to Focus the Mind The Fires or Ork II (FAX) Namlook & Jenssen Novelles Machines The Fires or Ork II (FAX) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Pete Namlook. The feature CD at midnight will be "Adlernebel" on the FAX label with DJ Dag. I will play the music of Free System Projekt and Wave World. These two bands from the Netherlands will perform live on WDIY on October 11 and will perform at the next Gathering in Philadelphia. Next week's vinyl show starter will be by Ash Ra Tempel (Manuel Gottsching). Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 10:31:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30315; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 10:29:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 10:29:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <02e101c145cd$bdfe5ae0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #563 Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 09:24:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good thoughts, Jan. Personally, I've been writing TOO much software lately! Though it is looper software, it is not looper music. This leads to a kind of creative musical constipation. Painful condition. Soon, I will not be able to hold back and it will fly out! Watch out! Stand back! I believe we are not computers, also. Most creative people I know think of themselves as a conduit. For me, I certainly feel that the music comes from outside of me. Speaking very personally, it is a form of worship for me. Perhaps the techniques, cliches, and riffs that we play serve as rituals, meaningless in themselves and effective only as they bring us to "the place." We must learn to discard them as necessary or look at them with new eyes. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 10:46:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31167; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 10:44:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 10:44:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <030e01c145cf$ce644870$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <15lnky-03Rf04C@fwd03.sul.t-online.com> Subject: forwarded letter Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 09:38:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was forwarded this letter and thought my fellow loopers might appreciate it. (As a side issue, I cannot vouce for it's authenticity. But a discussion about it's authenticity doesn't interest me much.) Given our current discussion on the meaning of music, etc. I think it is relevent. I am NOT interested in stirring the political discussion pot. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Some of you know William Harvey and those that do know that he is an outstanding person. William Harvey was the ConcertMaster for the New World Youth Orchestra for a few years. He is now attending Julliard and is very close to the action in New York City. I was recently given this e-mail update about him. I'm very proud of his actions and I think anyone who reads it will be too. From: "William Harvey" Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 15:22:43 Yesterday I had probably the most incredible and moving experience of my life. Julliard organized a quartet to go play at the Armory. The Armory is a huge military building where families of people missing from Tuesday's disaster go to wait for news of their loved ones. Entering the building was very difficult emotionally, because the entire building (the size of a city block) was covered with missing posters. Thousands of posters, spread out up to eight feet above the ground, each featuring a different, smiling, face. I made my way into the huge central room and found my Julliard buddies. For two hours we sight-read quartets (with only three people!), and I don't think I will soon forget the grief counselor from the Connecticut State Police who listened the entire time, or the woman who listened only to "Memory" from Cats, crying the whole time. At 7, the other two players had to leave; they had been playing at the Armory since 1 and simply couldn't play any more. I volunteered to stay and play solo, since I had just got there. I soon realized that the evening had just begun for me: a man in fatigues who introduced himself as Sergeant Major asked me if I'd mind playing for his soldiers as they came back from digging through the rubble at Ground Zero. Masseuses had volunteered to give his men massages, he said, and he didn't think anything would be more soothing than getting a massage and listening to violin music at the same time. So at 9:00 p.m., I headed up to the second floor as the first men were arriving. From then until 11:30, I played everything I could do for memory: Bach B Minor Partita, Tchaik. Concerto, Dvorak Concerto, Paganini Caprices 1 and 17, Vivaldi Winter and Spring, Theme from Schindler's List, Tchaik. Melodie, Meditation from Thais,Amazing Grace, My Country 'Tis of Thee, Turkey in the Straw, Bile Them Cabbages Down. Never have I played for a more grateful audience. Somehow it didn't matter that by the end, my intonation was shot and I had no bow control. I would have lost any competition I was playing in, but it didn't matter. The men would come up the stairs in full gear, remove their helmets, look at me, and smile. At 11:20, I was introduced to Col. Slack, head of the division. After thanking me, he said to his friends, "Boy, today was the toughest day yet. I made the mistake of going back into the pit, and I'll never do that again." Eager to hear a first-hand account, I asked, "What did you see?" He stopped, swallowed hard, and said, "What you'd expect to see." The Colonel stood there as I played a lengthy rendition of Amazing Grace which he claimed was the best he'd ever heard. By this time it was 11:30, and I didn't think I could play anymore. I asked Sergeant Major if it would be appropriate if I played the National Anthem. He shouted above the chaos of the milling soldiers to call them to attention, and I played the National Anthem as the 300 men of the 69th Division saluted an invisible flag. After shaking a few hands and packing up, I was prepared to leave when one of the privates accosted me and told me the Colonel wanted to see me again. He took me down to the War Room, but we couldn't find the Colonel, so he gave me a tour of the War Room. It turns out that the division I played for is the Famous Fighting Sixty-Ninth, the most decorated division in the U.S. Army. He pointed out a letter from Abraham Lincoln offering his condolences after the Battle of Antietam...the 69th suffered the most casualties of any division at that historic battle. Finally, we located the Colonel. After thanking me again, he presented me with the coin of the regiment. "We only give these to someone who's done something special for the 69th," he informed me. He called over the division's historian to tell me the significance of all the symbols on the coin. As I rode the taxi back to Julliard...free, of course, since taxi service is free in New York right now...I was numb. Not only was this evening the proudest I've ever felt to be an American, it was my most meaningful as a musician and a person as well. At Julliard, kids are hypercritical of each other and very competitive. The teachers expect, and in most cases get, technical perfection. But this wasn't about that. The soldiers didn't care that I had so many memory slips I lost count. They didn't care that when I forgot how the second movement of the Tchaik. went, I had to come up with my own insipid improvisation until I somehow (and I still don't know how) got to a cadence. I've never seen a more appreciative audience, and I've never understood so fully what it means to communicate music to other people. And how did it change me as a person? Let's just say that, next time I want to get into a petty argument about whether Richter or Horowitz was better, I'll remember that when I asked the Colonel to describe the pit formed by the tumbling of the Towers, he couldn't. Words only go so far, and even music can only go a little further from there. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 10:56:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31993; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 10:54:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 10:54:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 09:53:54 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Bartok conceptual art and improvisation/Abstract vs. concrete To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004801c145d1$e5e005f0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D007414F@MITOREXCH01> <01d801c14530$4a94b150$080210ac@jpalmer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >His first string quartet continues to amaze me -- the cello parts >feel like a precursor to punk/funk bass playing. I keep wondering >how he managed to notate those sounds. lol. bootsy bartok and his rubber quartet? i have a score for the fourth that i studied in college... haven't looked at it in nyears, but i don't remember any unusual notations. lot's of great glissando and spiccato, ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 10:59:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA32334; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 10:58:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 10:58:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 09:58:04 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: memory and improvisation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005401c145d2$7aa9c680$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <00df01c14515$f99b2a50$080210ac@jpalmer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >or does looping even close the circle >between two ways to the same aim? > the tao of loop... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 11:06:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01830; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 11:05:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 11:05:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0FE98FA04927D411A48300D0B77CF9BB0595822C@tiger.middlebury.edu> From: "Christensen, Mark" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 11:04:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > "love bartok. > listen to the string quartets regularly." me too! > Also, it is more abstract (please pardon my loose definition, Tom ;-) > but have you guys/gals checked out 'Threnody for the Victims > of Hiroshima' > by Krzysztof Penderecki? > i actually played a gig a couple years ago where the opeing act was a live orchestra playing just that piece. tough one to follow. m.c. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 11:22:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02507; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 11:17:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 11:17:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 11:17:28 -0400 Subject: Re: being born From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Multiverse" is a term frequently used by Davis Deutsch in his book "The Fabric of Reality"; not sure if it's his coinage or not. Only halfway through this book, but a few of his arguments are quite intriguing, and my guess is that he's ramping up toward some of the really big questions in the second half. Along these lines, I highly recommend Julian Barbour's "The End of Time", a real mind-blower. Apologies for the OT... David Lee Myers on 9/25/01 3:50 AM, Matthias Grob at matthias@grob.org wrote: > To me, this is the most beautifull post in a long while... poetic, > dialectic enough that nobody answeres - which does not mean nobody > liked it! > I especially love the word "multiverse", is that in use somewhere? > > Thank you, Jan Pek! > >> i am pleased that people are coming together to redefine the >> paradigm for spontaneous music magic, for trance induction. we >> return to the spirit realms, riding presence through the screaming >> tunnel to the dreaming. and i am pleased that taps to noetic >> manifest ideas are opening, once again. inventors of musical tools, >> someone pointed out, are increasingly guiding the direction of >> music. to me, the way the channel opens is the music. the process is >> the doorway to magic. >> >> you just get out of the way. >> >> Here we are, unwedging our minds, hedging our beliefs about time, so >> elastic, sounds LOOP-LOOP-LOOP, sounds come in from our memory, our >> libraries akashic records. in the center of the multiverse of >> polyrhythmic spin, nebulae, pulsar, seasons, rain, is the creator, >> the improviser, doing his little jam. the rest is just manifest, >> just a box full of patterns waiting to be cued. >> >> i am here to help us connect to that pulse in galaxy's heart. what >> is calling to us, asking to be born? >> >> EDP and the Repeater are rungs on a spiral ladder opening our >> perception of time and sound. but before we can advance, each of our >> 'techwizards' and 'artistes' need to release ownership, release ego, >> and embrace open-source paradigm and algorithm sharing, human need >> driven development, and temperence. its just candy. its just candy. >> its nobody's music. its nobody's ideas. give thanks to the Nagual >> spirit, who blesses you with these steps. look back, they're >> crumbling. look forward, they dont exist. just keep climbing, giving >> thanks, your feet are on the ground, your head is in the clouds, >> your chords are ringing hearts EVERYWHERE! >> >> to me, the LD list is like a good grease, lubricating the ideas. so >> happy to be here! >> >> love >> jan p. >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 11:43:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04285; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 11:41:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 11:41:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 08:40:16 -0700 From: "Miko Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: memory and improvisation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA04231 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>> matthias@grob.org 09/25/01 12:50AM >>> >>> i wonder if it is possible to improvise entirely without licks... >> I've wondered at times, that after lengthy exploration of your instrument and it's normal and extended techniques, if you "run out" of completely surprising moments available to you due to your familiarity with your instrument? Not that I'm anywhere near something like that, but I do sometimes feel that I've developed a "toolbox" of techniques and sounds which I'm often compelled to try and reach beyond. > I am waiting for this point for years. When I took the decision to only improvize, I talked to an advanced musician and he said I would get to a boarder soon, without studying new things. I limited my range of effects and use the same for years and its still going foreward. When sex get boring, you can: - buy gadgets - get another partner - take a break - change your attitude ...but you cannot change your instrument :-) Great point Matthias! Can't get around that one... *-) >> but it seems to me that those new musical ideas that flow during improvisation come mostly from recombinations of other ideas in the musical meme pool rather than entirely new concepts. > what would "entirely new" be? Isnt it very subjectif? I use the same words and expressions every day, but do I say the same? I may pick up a groups expressions to "be one of them", or even repeat what others say, as I do here: I think the key here is to give yourself permission to listen with patience and not pressure yourself to "perform" in any given manner. Solo or with others. Just listen. >> Assemblage of "known" phrases and response to others playing is pretty much the bulk of what happens in improv. Truly reinventing oneself (epiphany) and playing *entirely* new, unknown passages seems to be the exception. Aspiring to that is the path, I guess... Using a combination of a "blank sheet" approach to improv passages, and trying to think thematically on my feet, seems to get me the most mileage. This presumes that I and my partners are listening well and spontaneously reacting to each other. > right. But its very different to listen to each other or to listen to the whole! Another good point... I've listened to recordings right after playing, and found that the piece sounded quite different to me when I could re-focus on the whole rather than be involved in executing my part. Learning to listen while playing and reacting and using technology etc. is a real test of your focusing abilities. >> The fact remains, that all players are burdened by a certain range of sounds and techniques available to them at any given point in their career, and are bound by whatever limitations those imply. The creative use of those are what takes it into the sublime. > exactly! Usually I dont figure out what expressions I may use before I speak nor do I keep a vocabulary at home. In some toolbox there may be more sounds, in others more licks or chord changes, its what the water has to deal with when it comes through your hose, its what you offer to the spirit that may want to speak through you. (so the more you practise, the more the spirits become interested so you have more to select from... me on ice again :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org Building up your voodoo-mojo by staying involved... I think I get where you're going. I'm feel that staying involved in some form of musical practice regularly increases your chances of merging with the muse. Miko Biffle - Miko.Biffle@asml.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 12:13:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06758; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 12:11:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 12:11:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 11:11:26 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: memory and improvisation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00b301c145dc$ba54b600$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com some things come to mind about when i was first learning this concept: i found that i was trying to pseudosophisticatedly make "good use of negative space." while i think it's important to be aware of the polar forces of sound and silence, it is easy to fall into the trap of intellectualizing the process rather than "letting it happen." in other words, the hose can be filled with water/silence, but pinching off the flow is a different thing altogether... i remember stopping in the middle of a jam session because i thought i was adding to the "fog" and the drummer thought something was very wrong with that. i think he experienced it as "suddenly colliding with a brick wall." i wasn't looping at the time but it seems to illustrate your point. on the other hand, my thinking was that, though i was playing guitar at the time, if i had been playing trumpet i don't think he would have expected me to play continuously... >>... >>An interesting point in regards to improvising loops as well. I have often >>noticed people fall into the looping lobster trap, where stuff keeps going >>into the loop and never comes out again. The loop space gets all filled up >>and layered deeper and deeper and it turns into the giant wall of sound >>loop that demolishes everything in it's path. And then they don't know what >>to do with that, so at the end they just turn it off, which for me as a >>listener is rather like running through a very thick and noisy fog and then >>suddenly colliding with a brick wall. >>... > > silence in the loop is good. leave some there to begin with. But also, > > learn how to add silence to the loop. when the loop has gotten busy, learn > > to take some things out of it to make it change to less busy. Add space. > > Learn to make it more empty, in addition to more full. learn to make it go > > down sometimes instead of always up.... > > >>kim > > Very true. Silence is precious, it lets you underline the value of the sound > that is about to follow, it allows time for taking your breath in, listen to > the trail of the sound that's going away. Silence lets you take a step back > to observe the whole picture before you dive in again to craft the details. > Mastering the silence is not easy but it gives much more depth to the music. > > Roberto > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 12:32:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07685; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 12:30:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 12:30:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <42.1ae1890d.28e20b03@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 12:29:55 EDT Subject: Re: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA07636 Resent-Message-ID: <5AQLwB.A.k3B.MELs7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com All, I'm really enjoying this thread. I have a number of favorite "symphonic" composers and a list of works that have "influenced" (?) me a great deal over the years -- some have already been mentioned, some not, some are modern, some not (I really don't want to start any discussions about what "classical" really means). Arvo Pärt Perpetum Mobile, Tabula Rasa, Litany, Te Deum, Kanon Pokajanen, Miserere (too many more to list -- I buy everything I can find by this guy) Henryk Górecki Symphony #3, String Quartet #1 and 2, Andrew Keeling Hidden Streams, Meditato John Adams Shaker Loops, Violin Concerto, Short Ride in a Fast Machine, Christian Zeal and Activity, Common Tones in Simple Time, The Chairman Dances Bartók Concerto for Orchestra Ralph Vaughan Williams Lark Ascending, Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis Lou Harrison La Koro Sutro, Elegiac Symphony Eleni Karaindrou Ulysses' Gaze (a soundtrack that doesn't need the film -- it knocks me out every time I hear it!) Alan Hovaness (a real favorite) Symphony #2 - Mysterious Mountain, Symphony #50 - Mt. St Helens, Symphony #20 - City of Light Steve Reich Music for 18 Musicians, The Desert Music, Tehillim, Different Trains Krzysztof Penderecki Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima Igor Stravinski The Firebird Suite, The Rite of Spring (anything and everything by him) wow! Oliver Messiaen Quatuor pour la Fin du Temps Johannes Brahms Symphony #4 in E minor Giacomo Puccini Gianni Schicchi (O mio ba bino caro), Turandot (Nessun dorma) Johann Pachelbel Canon in D (I like best an uptempo version by Karl Münchinger and the Stuttgart Chamber Orchestra, not the sleepy, weepy version we most often hear) There are a lot of others, many of the familiar and commonly heard ones like Bach, Handel, Beethoven, Mozart and Sibelius are responsible for some of the most memorable melodies -- they are ones that have come down to us not only through the concert hall, but many have entered the western "psyche" through great old church hymns and such. I liked thinking (and writing) about this. It made me dust off a few old records. Thanks, to whomever, for suggesting it. Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 12:35:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08008; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 12:33:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 12:33:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c145e0$7d3c9e00$e5954e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: being born Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 12:38:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David wrote: >"Multiverse" is a term frequently used by Davis Deutsch in his book "The >Fabric of Reality"; not sure if it's his coinage or not. Sun Ra used to use the terms "Multiverse" and "Omniverse" in the many names for his ever-changing ensemble, the Arkestra. I remember hearing an interview with him years ago on my local jazz station (I was fortunate enough to live in the same town as Mr. Ra and attended his concerts regularly) where he decried the idea of a Universe and defended the term Omniverse, stating (I paraphrase) "Universe means one, and there are a lot more than just one, so I call it the Omniverse." Man, do I miss him . . . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 12:48:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08685; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 12:46:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 12:46:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074150@MITOREXCH01> References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074150@MITOREXCH01> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 13:46:00 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: conceptual art and improvisation/Abstract vs. concrete Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >alban berg might work for you as he wrote rows that had major chords >in them, etc. somehow his stuff sounds more tonal than either >schoenberg or webern (at least to my ears). > also to my ears, as if a good idea finally had evolved into something beautifull -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 13:37:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11686; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 13:35:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 13:35:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 13:36:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA11609 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi I'm new to the list. Great thread. Based on your list(which has some great stuff) I think you'd love two composers out of eastern europe. Giya Kancheli: Morning Prayers/Abii Ne Videdrem/Evening Prayers on ECM is one of the most powerful pieces of music I've ever experienced. Peteris Vasks: Musica Dolorosa for String Orchestra is a masterpiece that has some truly unique string sonorities -----Original Message----- From: KILLINFO@aol.com [mailto:KILLINFO@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 12:30 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com; Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us All, I'm really enjoying this thread. I have a number of favorite "symphonic" composers and a list of works that have "influenced" (?) me a great deal over the years -- some have already been mentioned, some not, some are modern, some not (I really don't want to start any discussions about what "classical" really means). Arvo Pärt Perpetum Mobile, Tabula Rasa, Litany, Te Deum, Kanon Pokajanen, Miserere (too many more to list -- I buy everything I can find by this guy) Henryk Górecki Symphony #3, String Quartet #1 and 2, Andrew Keeling Hidden Streams, Meditato John Adams Shaker Loops, Violin Concerto, Short Ride in a Fast Machine, Christian Zeal and Activity, Common Tones in Simple Time, The Chairman Dances Bartók Concerto for Orchestra Ralph Vaughan Williams Lark Ascending, Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis Lou Harrison La Koro Sutro, Elegiac Symphony Eleni Karaindrou Ulysses' Gaze (a soundtrack that doesn't need the film -- it knocks me out every time I hear it!) Alan Hovaness (a real favorite) Symphony #2 - Mysterious Mountain, Symphony #50 - Mt. St Helens, Symphony #20 - City of Light Steve Reich Music for 18 Musicians, The Desert Music, Tehillim, Different Trains Krzysztof Penderecki Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima Igor Stravinski The Firebird Suite, The Rite of Spring (anything and everything by him) wow! Oliver Messiaen Quatuor pour la Fin du Temps Johannes Brahms Symphony #4 in E minor Giacomo Puccini Gianni Schicchi (O mio ba bino caro), Turandot (Nessun dorma) Johann Pachelbel Canon in D (I like best an uptempo version by Karl Münchinger and the Stuttgart Chamber Orchestra, not the sleepy, weepy version we most often hear) There are a lot of others, many of the familiar and commonly heard ones like Bach, Handel, Beethoven, Mozart and Sibelius are responsible for some of the most memorable melodies -- they are ones that have come down to us not only through the concert hall, but many have entered the western "psyche" through great old church hymns and such. I liked thinking (and writing) about this. It made me dust off a few old records. Thanks, to whomever, for suggesting it. Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 13:42:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12089; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 13:40:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 13:40:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 13:42:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA12040 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com P.S. I work for Cakewalk if you have any questions about our software, please ask me. P.P.S. I'm also a loop based musician and you can hear some of my stuff at: www.mp3.com/maoinhibitor Thanks, Carl -----Original Message----- From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com [mailto:CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 1:37 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com; Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us Hi I'm new to the list. Great thread. Based on your list(which has some great stuff) I think you'd love two composers out of eastern europe. Giya Kancheli: Morning Prayers/Abii Ne Videdrem/Evening Prayers on ECM is one of the most powerful pieces of music I've ever experienced. Peteris Vasks: Musica Dolorosa for String Orchestra is a masterpiece that has some truly unique string sonorities -----Original Message----- From: KILLINFO@aol.com [mailto:KILLINFO@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 12:30 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com; Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us All, I'm really enjoying this thread. I have a number of favorite "symphonic" composers and a list of works that have "influenced" (?) me a great deal over the years -- some have already been mentioned, some not, some are modern, some not (I really don't want to start any discussions about what "classical" really means). Arvo Pärt Perpetum Mobile, Tabula Rasa, Litany, Te Deum, Kanon Pokajanen, Miserere (too many more to list -- I buy everything I can find by this guy) Henryk Górecki Symphony #3, String Quartet #1 and 2, Andrew Keeling Hidden Streams, Meditato John Adams Shaker Loops, Violin Concerto, Short Ride in a Fast Machine, Christian Zeal and Activity, Common Tones in Simple Time, The Chairman Dances Bartók Concerto for Orchestra Ralph Vaughan Williams Lark Ascending, Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis Lou Harrison La Koro Sutro, Elegiac Symphony Eleni Karaindrou Ulysses' Gaze (a soundtrack that doesn't need the film -- it knocks me out every time I hear it!) Alan Hovaness (a real favorite) Symphony #2 - Mysterious Mountain, Symphony #50 - Mt. St Helens, Symphony #20 - City of Light Steve Reich Music for 18 Musicians, The Desert Music, Tehillim, Different Trains Krzysztof Penderecki Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima Igor Stravinski The Firebird Suite, The Rite of Spring (anything and everything by him) wow! Oliver Messiaen Quatuor pour la Fin du Temps Johannes Brahms Symphony #4 in E minor Giacomo Puccini Gianni Schicchi (O mio ba bino caro), Turandot (Nessun dorma) Johann Pachelbel Canon in D (I like best an uptempo version by Karl Münchinger and the Stuttgart Chamber Orchestra, not the sleepy, weepy version we most often hear) There are a lot of others, many of the familiar and commonly heard ones like Bach, Handel, Beethoven, Mozart and Sibelius are responsible for some of the most memorable melodies -- they are ones that have come down to us not only through the concert hall, but many have entered the western "psyche" through great old church hymns and such. I liked thinking (and writing) about this. It made me dust off a few old records. Thanks, to whomever, for suggesting it. Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 14:03:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14267; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 14:02:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 14:02:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200109251800.f8PI0Qr06181@chmls05.mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 13:55:29 -0400 From: Dean Stiglitz Subject: re[2]: conceptual art and improvisation/Abstract vs. concrete To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: Peter Cohen Associates X-Mailer: GoldMine [5.50.10111] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA14137 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i remember from my 20th century composition class in school... "the best part of shoenburg is berg" deknow From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 14:10:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14687; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 14:08:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 14:08:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 13:08:15 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: being born To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00f201c145ed$0c68b940$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <001a01c145e0$7d3c9e00$e5954e0c@u73x0> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > "Universe means one, and there are a lot > more than just one, so I call it the Omniverse." > "it" is a singular pronoun. what word are you going to use for what's outside the omniverse? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 14:15:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15103; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 14:14:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 14:14:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: being born Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 14:15:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <3gfiGC.A.irD.WlMs7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mu -----Original Message----- From: jim palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 2:08 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: being born > "Universe means one, and there are a lot > more than just one, so I call it the Omniverse." > "it" is a singular pronoun. what word are you going to use for what's outside the omniverse? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 14:29:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15761; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 14:27:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 14:27:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010925015729.02558c70@loopers-delight.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010925015729.02558c70@loopers-delight.com> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:26:20 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: memory and improvisation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim explains: > >I think it is very interesting that Matthias, who defines himself >musically as an improvisor and brought this topic up, is also the >main inventor of the Echoplex. It is interesting to see how one >affects the other; Matthias' needs for being able to use and >manipulate loops in a very spontaneous way during improvisation has >very much to do with why the echoplex works the way it does. And >using the echoplex for years in improvisational looping continues to >inspire ideas for the next generation of it. He created tools to >solve his problems and meet his needs. Or perhaps you could say, he >created a given set of improvisational looping techniques and then >created the instrument to enable him to do it in real time. To be more acurate: in the first year I implemented what I needed. Then the other 7 years, I implemented what other users needed (with the exeption of the new SyncRec function in the upgrade - which similarely worked in my units since '94, but was not mature :-) It helps a lot for improvising with partners) >The loop space gets all filled up and layered deeper and deeper and >it turns into the giant wall of sound loop that demolishes >everything in it's path. And then they don't know what to do with >that, so at the end they just turn it off, which for me as a >listener is rather like running through a very thick and noisy fog >and then suddenly colliding with a brick wall. brilliant picture, Kim! >Move past the idea of an immutable loop that gets saved and recalled >and triggered and repeated but never itself changes, to where the >actual process of creating and changing the loop itself becomes the >form and then the music.... thats it! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 14:29:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15760; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 14:27:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 14:27:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010925023452.02559400@loopers-delight.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010925023452.02559400@loopers-delight.com> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:26:20 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: memory and improvisation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 02:02 AM 9/25/2001, Dj Devious D wrote: >>I have a question.... It's 4:00 am here in Chicago, and I am >>surprised that Kim is still up.... even though I am up also, but >>it's 4:00 am, and I am delusional.... >>I just got this email...... wuz up with that ? > >a) my brain functions best at night. I don't know why. I sent the posts when the sun came up here. Some say that the sun light disturb some magnetic fields and thus inhibit some kind of comunication (SW radio also works much better at night). Other say its because of the millions of people arround you that think spill emotions that disturb you even if you are shut up in a lab... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 14:30:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16076; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 14:27:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 14:27:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <33.1b727a86.28e1c9f4@aol.com> References: <33.1b727a86.28e1c9f4@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:27:12 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP Trick / new kind of Overdub Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <7GQxdD.A.u2D.ByMs7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Extracts part of a loop and reverses it, while allowing you to keep the >original. >... great trick, thank you Andy! >My biggest wish for the new loop4 software is (apart from the crazy stuff) to >be able to Multiply without having to overdub, if only in delay mode. You are not the first one to want this. I never really understood what for, but... There is no space for an aditional function. I guess you would not be happy to have to change a parameter to get it either, would you? So the only way I can think of, is to change the function of Overdub while multiplying. As it is now, if you press OVERDUB while multiplying, it ends (rounds) Multiply and leaves you in Overdub. Its especially usefull, as you can define what goes on during the rounding up, too. With RoundMode set to Off, the Multiply (and Insert) functions shut the input off during rounding, which seems intuitif to me. But sometimes I want to go on overdubbing and so terminating Multiply with Overdub is common for me. I could imagine to have the Overdub function "only static": Instead of terminating other functions, it could simply switch the input. For example: You start with RECORD, the Overdub LED turns red, the input is open to record what you play. You press OVERDUB. The led turns green, the recording goes on, but only silence is recorded. You press OVERDUB again, the led turns red, sound goes to the recording again. You press RECORD, the loop is closed as now, but the OverdubLED goes on red and we continue overdubing, until you press OVERDUB again. Same for Multiply: StartMultiply automatically sets Overdub, you can change the Overdubing state without affecting the multiplication process, and StopMultiply does not switch off the Overdubing state. You noted that this option gives you more freedom but more work, its less "automatic", since you have to operate Overdub at the end of Record/Multipy. This is a very common problem to decide when you design UI: either YOU can do a lot or IT does a lot :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 14:30:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16439; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 14:29:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 14:29:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 11:24:01 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us In-reply-to: <42.1ae1890d.28e20b03@aol.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1 References: <42.1ae1890d.28e20b03@aol.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA16110 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:29 PM -0400 9/25/01, KILLINFO@aol.com wrote: >I really don't want to start any discussions about what "classical" >really means Good idea. I generally avoid the term unless referring to the likes of Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven. I prefer "art music" or "instrumental art music" when speaking generally and when spanning style periods, "new music" when speaking to those who know that I'm not talking about "pop," and any of several more specific terms when I need to be more specific. Some personal asides: >Arvo Pärt I did sound for him at the Cabrillo Music Festival some years back. I'd never heard of him before that, but the music director Dennis Russell Davies often introduced us to important European artists. Pärt was very solemn and monk-like. He had been director of recording for Estonian Radio, and he spent much time wandering around the festival tent listening to the quality of sound (I was doing some reinforcement with surround reverb speakers). Pärt's music was much more popular with the audience than the musicians, however, due to the minimalism of some of the pieces. >John Adams I got to know John during my years in the Bay Area, and in fact he's married to one of my college chums. He's a very thoughtful and warm person. He's also very organized and disciplined about his composing, retreating to his studio every morning and emerging at the end of his working day to spend evening family time. He spent one year as interim director of the Cabrillo Festival, in the summer following the Gulf War. His programming included several performances of Arabic music and dance, and many other works were solemn memorials. The musicians jokingly referred to that summer as the "Festival o' Death." >Bartók I was walking down a street in New York a few years back and out of the corner of my eye I noticed a plaque on the front of an otherwise undistinguished apartment building. This proved to be a memorial to Bartók, who had spent the last years of his life living there in poverty. >Lou Harrison Lou lives in Aptos, California, just above the campus of Cabrillo College. He was one of the founders of the Cabrillo Music Festival and is a permanent composer in residence. He's a warm and gracious person, and a man of diverse interests and boundless energy (despite being 84). In his youth he was a dancer; he studied composition with Henry Cowell; he was a close friend and collaborator of John Cage, but they drifted apart when Cage embraced indeterminacy (Lou: "I'd rather chance a choice than choose a chance."); he and his late partner Bill Colvig have been mainstay of the American gamelan movement and build several sets of instruments. Much of Lou's music is now available, in part due to the efforts of Dennis Davies. >Steve Reich "Come Out" was one of those pieces of sound art that permanently changed the way I hear. I saw Reich's "The Cave" several years ago in New York. This work has particular importance today, dealing as it does with the common heritage and divergence of the Muslim and Jewish faiths. >Igor Stravinski I always enjoyed his setting of "The Owl and the Pussycat" >Oliver Messiaen "Quatuor" is a powerful piece, particularly when one considers its origin. His musical language is unique, and his influence on post-WWII music profound (he was a teacher of both Boulez and Stockhausen). -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 14:30:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16091; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 14:28:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 14:28:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <15lnky-03Rf04C@fwd03.sul.t-online.com> References: <15lnky-03Rf04C@fwd03.sul.t-online.com> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:27:12 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Re: memory and improvisation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andreas said: > >Reminds me that Pat Martino used to mention that among his students there >usually are the 'searchers' - and the 'finders'. Finding things and letting >them happen....... big point. sounds great! But am I a searcher of a finder? Do I search for instruments to find music? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 14:31:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16675; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 14:29:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 14:29:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <9d.1bcc8c26.28e226cb@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 14:28:27 EDT Subject: Re: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: <0vvkmD.A.tAE.uzMs7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Carl, Thanks! I promise to check them out soon. In a message dated 9/25/01 10:35:04 AM, CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com writes: >Giya Kancheli: Morning Prayers/Abii Ne Videdrem/Evening Prayers on ECM >is one of the most powerful pieces of music I've ever experienced. > >Peteris Vasks: Musica Dolorosa for String Orchestra is a masterpiece that >has some truly unique string sonorities From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 15:28:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20472; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:26:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:26:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <42.1ae1890d.28e20b03@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 12:27:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Richard Zvonar wrote: > >>Oliver Messiaen > >"Quatuor" is a powerful piece, particularly when one considers its >origin. His musical language is unique, and his influence on >post-WWII music profound (he was a teacher of both Boulez and >Stockhausen). > Messiaen is really important to me as well. There was a discussion yesterday about the early serialists, about how their techniques were interesting but the music not, I don't agree with this, I love Webern in particular, but those who feel that way may want to check out Messiaen. While he often gets pegged as the "bird song composer", transcribing bird songs was only one of the many techniques he used. Analyzing the Quartet for the End of Time reveals a lot of interesting uses of tone rows, rhythmic rows, rhythmic palindromes. etc. What's most interesting is that his music never comes of as dry or academic. Ted Killian's list includes a lot of other composers that I love as well, but I'd like to include Satie and Ligeti as well. Check out a Ligeti score sometime, he produces mass sound effects similar to Penderecki, but with standard musical notation, with many many interlocking parts in a style he calls micropolyphony. Fascinating stuff. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 15:28:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20213; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:22:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:22:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <029c01c145f8$08b0e060$26168bd1@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: Subject: Totally off topic Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:26:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Content-Type: text/plain; boundary="----------------------------"; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Beautiful loopers- I am searching for information re. a band from Ithaca NY which put out a single album in 1967/68. The group was called Chrysalis; the album, "Definition" on MGM redcords It is a stunning work in my humble opinion. I've found a few web pages which help to piece things together, but I would love to contact any members of the band or anyone affiliated with them. Heck, anyone who ever heard them would be nice. Among other things, I'd like to get lyrics to a few songs where they are buried or eroded into grey vinyl dust. Lineup: Nancy Nairn, vocals Paul Album, bass, vocals Dahaud Shaar, drums Jon Sabin, lead guitar, vocals Ralph Kotkov, keyboards James Spider Barbour, leader/writer, rhythm guitar, vocals Thanks in advance. Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 15:37:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21130; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:36:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:36:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:38:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <8AVeDB.A.qJF.dyNs7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am so happy I found this list. Since I moved from NYC, I've kind of felt like an island re: this kind of music. I joined this list because I heard there was a discussion about Plasma, one of Cakewalk's loop-based products. I never expected conversations on these topics. I've been on a Scriabin kick lately, especially the Piano Sonatas 5-10. Any opinions on his music? -----Original Message----- From: Dave Trenkel [mailto:improv@peak.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 3:28 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us >Richard Zvonar wrote: > >>Oliver Messiaen > >"Quatuor" is a powerful piece, particularly when one considers its >origin. His musical language is unique, and his influence on >post-WWII music profound (he was a teacher of both Boulez and >Stockhausen). > Messiaen is really important to me as well. There was a discussion yesterday about the early serialists, about how their techniques were interesting but the music not, I don't agree with this, I love Webern in particular, but those who feel that way may want to check out Messiaen. While he often gets pegged as the "bird song composer", transcribing bird songs was only one of the many techniques he used. Analyzing the Quartet for the End of Time reveals a lot of interesting uses of tone rows, rhythmic rows, rhythmic palindromes. etc. What's most interesting is that his music never comes of as dry or academic. Ted Killian's list includes a lot of other composers that I love as well, but I'd like to include Satie and Ligeti as well. Check out a Ligeti score sometime, he produces mass sound effects similar to Penderecki, but with standard musical notation, with many many interlocking parts in a style he calls micropolyphony. Fascinating stuff. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 15:44:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21727; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:43:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:43:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D007415C@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:40:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C145FA.00B22520" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C145FA.00B22520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" There was a discussion yesterday about the early serialists, about how their techniques were interesting but the music not, I don't agree with this, I love Webern in particular, ** oh yeah. i wouldn't want to give the idea that i didn't like webern, berg, schoenberg - - i was merely going by what might be more palatable for others. webern in particulat just kills me at times. but those who feel that way may want to check out Messiaen. While he often gets pegged as the "bird song composer", transcribing bird songs was only one of the many techniques he used. Analyzing the Quartet for the End of Time reveals a lot of interesting uses of tone rows, rhythmic rows, rhythmic palindromes. etc. What's most interesting is that his music never comes of as dry or academic. ** for those into the "french school," the music of henri dutilleux and maurice ohana is pretty damn nice. a little hard to find, but worth it in my opinion. i feel that they come out of messian to a certain degree. someone asked for recommendations of scelsi's music. i don't have this stuff in my head, but his music with orchestra and chorus is interesting. a web search for biographical info might be a good place to begin with particular piece titles - - also, you could learn a little about where he was coming from; it could inform your decision to explore his work - - or not. all in all, there is a lot of really amazing "classical" music out there that is put out on small(ish) labels - - stuff that isn't in the top 40. it's amazing to me how many really great late-romantic/early-20th-cent composers kinda got left by the wayside - - and these people could REALLY write. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C145FA.00B22520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us

There was a discussion yesterday about the early = serialists, about how their techniques were
interesting but the music not, I don't agree with = this, I love Webern
in particular,

** oh yeah. i wouldn't want to give the idea that i = didn't like webern, berg, schoenberg - - i was merely going by what = might be more palatable for others. webern in particulat just kills me = at times.


but those who feel that way may want to check out =
Messiaen. While he often gets pegged as the = "bird song composer",
transcribing bird songs was only one of the many = techniques he used.
Analyzing the Quartet for the End of Time reveals a = lot of
interesting uses of tone rows, rhythmic rows, = rhythmic palindromes.
etc. What's most interesting is that his music never = comes of as dry
or academic.

** for those into the "french school," the = music of henri dutilleux and maurice ohana is pretty damn nice. a = little hard to find, but worth it in my opinion. i feel that they come = out of messian to a certain degree.

someone asked for recommendations of scelsi's music. = i don't have this stuff in my head, but his music with orchestra and = chorus is interesting. a web search for biographical info might be a = good place to begin with particular piece titles - - also, you could = learn a little about where he was coming from; it could inform your = decision to explore his work - - or not.

all in all, there is a lot of really amazing = "classical" music out there that is put out on small(ish) = labels  - - stuff that isn't in the top 40. it's amazing to me how = many really great late-romantic/early-20th-cent composers kinda got = left by the wayside - - and these people could REALLY write. =



stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C145FA.00B22520-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 15:49:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22079; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:48:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:48:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D007415D@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:46:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C145FA.B47101D0" Resent-Message-ID: <0OLtfC.A.nYF.Z9Ns7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C145FA.B47101D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" If you like Bartok's string quartets (I love them all) you may even like those by Janacek, Enescu, Martinu, ** martinu was a great composer in my book. he did a lot, so some of his stuff is spotty, but it's really good in general. (for that matter mssr. beethoven did some crap too.) many people neglect hindemith, but he could really write. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C145FA.B47101D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us

If you like Bartok's string quartets (I love them = all) you may even like
those by Janacek, Enescu, Martinu,

** martinu was a great composer in my book. he did a = lot, so some of his stuff is spotty, but it's really good in general. = (for that matter mssr. beethoven did some crap too.)

many people neglect hindemith, but he could really = write.

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C145FA.B47101D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 15:52:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22370; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:50:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:50:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D007415E@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: conceptual art and improvisation/Abstract vs. concrete Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:48:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C145FB.102D32F0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C145FB.102D32F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >alban berg might work for you as he wrote rows that had major chords >in them, etc. somehow his stuff sounds more tonal than either >schoenberg or webern (at least to my ears). > also to my ears, as if a good idea finally had evolved into something beautifull ** the funny thing for me is that i actually think that webern was more consistent than berg. some of berg's music is just amazing (lyric suite coming to mind immediately), but some seems weak to me. i love the economy of means that webern had, the guy could say a lot in very, very little time. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C145FB.102D32F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: conceptual art and improvisation/Abstract vs. = concrete

>alban berg might work for you as he wrote rows = that had major chords
>in them, etc. somehow his stuff sounds more = tonal than either
>schoenberg or webern (at least to my = ears).
>

also to my ears, as if a good idea finally had = evolved into something
beautifull

** the funny thing for me is that i actually think = that webern was more consistent than berg. some of berg's music is just = amazing (lyric suite coming to mind immediately), but some seems weak = to me. i love the economy of means that webern had, the guy could say a = lot in very, very little time.

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C145FB.102D32F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 15:55:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22667; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:53:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:53:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:55:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com RE: hindemith, I've only heard Mathis Der Maler. What would you recommend beyond that? -----Original Message----- From: Liebig, Steuart A. [mailto:Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 3:46 PM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: RE: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us If you like Bartok's string quartets (I love them all) you may even like those by Janacek, Enescu, Martinu, ** martinu was a great composer in my book. he did a lot, so some of his stuff is spotty, but it's really good in general. (for that matter mssr. beethoven did some crap too.) many people neglect hindemith, but he could really write. stig From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 16:09:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24424; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 16:08:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 16:08:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D007415F@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 16:05:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C145FD.70AA5CA0" Resent-Message-ID: <7SwhP.A.C9F.wPOs7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C145FD.70AA5CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ** hmmm, lots of his orchestral music. some of his wind concerti are really, really nice (in my opinion). string quartets are good as well. ymmv. it's the kind of thing where i'd have to look up specific stuff - - the piece names are not in my head, sorry! honneger was also a really good writer (he was a member of les six, with poulenc, etc.). his symphonies are quite good and i think he did some film music/ballet stuff that i enjoy as well. stig RE: hindemith, I've only heard Mathis Der Maler. What would you recommend beyond that? ------_=_NextPart_001_01C145FD.70AA5CA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us

** hmmm, lots of his orchestral music. some of his = wind concerti are really, really nice (in my opinion). string quartets = are good as well. ymmv. it's the kind of thing where i'd have to look = up specific stuff  - - the piece names are not in my head, = sorry!

honneger was also a really good writer (he was a = member of les six, with poulenc, etc.). his symphonies are quite good = and i think he did some film music/ballet stuff that i enjoy as well. =

stig




RE: hindemith,
 
I've only heard Mathis Der Maler. What would you = recommend beyond that?

------_=_NextPart_001_01C145FD.70AA5CA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 16:26:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25191; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 16:25:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 16:25:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074160@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: memory and improvisation Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 16:22:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C145FF.C9A38B40" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C145FF.C9A38B40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" shure, if you want such a structure, you may be right (although I am surprised sometimes how themes come back without me remembering them). ** then you've remembered them, no? ;-) But I observe that I dont need this structure as a listener. Most musicians teach me that its necessary for understanding, but I am not sure. In the last century, we got rid of so many cages, music without melody, without rhythm, without tonal scale, without tonal center was explored, but hardly music without "structure", but I may be totally wrong here... ** well, structure is only one tool/possibility. in my experience, many people who improvise negect form as a basic building block; they seem to concentrate on other things more. in fact, many who do "free improv" seem to be "against" tonality, rhythm or form - - to which i say, "what's free if i can't do that?" I think the atitude is important: I find it much different to repeat some cliche because it just comes up, or to repeat it because I think its smart or necessary or different or whatever. ** are we talking about one's own cliches, or those of others? I wonder how the new technology with non volatile memory for lots of loops influences this. The memory can be used to save the "cliches", or to free you from the effort (distraction?) to remember the theme (once you want to do such structured music). ** well i sometimes use loopers to put in a spontaneous theme and fly it back in at "appropriate" times. You save a loop and bring it back the next night, save another line with it and such make the composition richer each time you improvise it... ** that's more of a composition with improv than it is free improv, no? stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C145FF.C9A38B40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: memory and improvisation
 
shure, if you want such a structure, you may be right (although I am surprised sometimes how themes come back without me remembering them). 
 
** then you've remembered them, no?  ;-)
 
But I observe that I dont need this structure as a listener. Most musicians teach me that its necessary for understanding, but I am not sure.
In the last century, we got rid of so many cages, music without melody, without rhythm, without tonal scale, without tonal center was explored, but hardly music without "structure", but I may be totally wrong here... 
 
** well, structure is only one tool/possibility. in my experience, many people who improvise negect form as a basic building block; they seem to concentrate on other things more. in fact, many who do "free improv" seem to be "against" tonality, rhythm or form - - to which i say, "what's free if i can't do that?"
 
 
I think the atitude is important: I find it much different to repeat some cliche because it just comes up, or to repeat it because I think its smart or necessary or different or whatever. 
 
** are we talking about one's own cliches, or those of others?  


I wonder how the new technology with non volatile memory for lots of loops influences this.
The memory can be used to save the "cliches", or to free you from the effort (distraction?) to remember the theme (once you want to do such structured music). 
 
** well i sometimes use loopers to put in a spontaneous theme and fly it back in at "appropriate" times.  

You save a loop and bring it back the next night, save another line with it and such make the composition richer each time you improvise it... 
 
** that's more of a composition with improv than it is free improv, no?
 
stig 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C145FF.C9A38B40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 16:29:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25375; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 16:28:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 16:28:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074161@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: memory and improvisation Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 16:25:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C14600.3C67BB60" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14600.3C67BB60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" When sex get boring, you can: - buy gadgets - get another partner - take a break - change your attitude ...but you cannot change your instrument :-) ** one can approach one's instrument differently . . . of course, i 'm thinking more musically here, but it could hold true in both arenas ;-) right. But its very different to listen to each other or to listen to the whole! ** yeah. gotta practice that! stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14600.3C67BB60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: memory and improvisation

When sex get boring, you can:
- buy gadgets
- get another partner
- take a break
- change your attitude
...but you cannot change your instrument :-)

** one can approach one's instrument = differently  . . . of course, i 'm thinking more musically here, = but it could hold true in both arenas ;-)



right. But its very different to listen to each other = or to listen to
the whole!

** yeah. gotta practice that!


stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C14600.3C67BB60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 16:32:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25851; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 16:31:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 16:31:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 13:24:24 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Totally off topic In-reply-to: <029c01c145f8$08b0e060$26168bd1@Douglas> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <029c01c145f8$08b0e060$26168bd1@Douglas> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I am searching for information re. a band from Ithaca NY which put out a >single album in 1967/68. The group was called Chrysalis; the album, >"Definition" on MGM redcords I have a copy of this. Great work. >Dahaud Shaar, drums Shows up on a couple of Van Morrison albums from the '70s and '80s >Ralph Kotkov, keyboards Seems to be still active as a songwriter. He might live on Mott Street in New York City. >James Spider Barbour, leader/writer, rhythm guitar, vocals http://www.ulster.net/~spider/curmudge.htm -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 16:38:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26228; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 16:37:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 16:37:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074162@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: memory and improvisation Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 16:34:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C14601.68F3E310" Resent-Message-ID: <44nssB.A.XYG.XqOs7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14601.68F3E310 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I think that is a question of the looping techniques you have at your disposal, and the extent to which the tools you use support an improvisational approach. And the extent to which you have become familiar enough with those techniques to comfortably work with them live. looping definitely doesn't have to be locked with the same thing repeating forever! To me that is really the entry level of looping, and moving past that to solve the problem you mention is where it really gets interesting. ** first, i am probably not the most evolved looper guy on this list, i tend to use it as only about 10-50% of any given improv situation . . . so i basically agree that looping technique is going to have a lot to do with the situation. that being said, i think that the looping issue also has to do with the context within which you improvise. some are going to be more conducive to looping than others. i feel that the machine is not always so quick as the people who are playing - - they can jump into other waters very, very quickly if you're doing free improv. sometimes it's better for me to ignore the looper for a while and bring it in later. so, for me, larger groups are often less conducive and duos and trios can be more so - - and it also depends on whether or not there are other people looping . . . sets up the context (or not). stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14601.68F3E310 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: memory and improvisation

I think that is a question of the looping techniques = you have at your
disposal, and the extent to which the tools you use = support an
improvisational approach. And the extent to which = you have become familiar
enough with those techniques to comfortably work = with them live. looping
definitely doesn't have to be locked with the same = thing repeating forever!
To me that is really the entry level of looping, and = moving past that to
solve the problem you mention is where it really = gets interesting.

** first, i am probably not the most evolved looper = guy on this list, i tend to use it as only about 10-50% of any given = improv situation . . . so i basically agree that looping technique is = going to have a lot to do with the situation. that being said, i think = that the looping issue also has to do with the context within which you = improvise. some are going to be more conducive to looping than others. = i feel that the machine is not always so quick as the people who are = playing - - they can jump into other waters very, very quickly if = you're doing free improv. sometimes it's better for me to ignore the = looper for a while and bring it in later. so, for me, larger groups are = often less conducive and duos and trios can be more so - - and it also = depends on whether or not there are other people looping . . . sets up = the context (or not).


stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C14601.68F3E310-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 16:38:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26383; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 16:37:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 16:37:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 13:19:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: RE: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <2rU_K.A.QZG.KrOs7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >RE: hindemith, > >I've only heard Mathis Der Maler. What would you recommend beyond that? I really like his Ludus Tonalis, it's a set of preludes and fugues in all 12 key, sort of a 20th C. response to the Well-Tempered Clavier. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 16:43:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26925; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 16:42:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 16:42:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 22:41:06 +0200 From: Bruce Cassidy Subject: What machine can do this please? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I want to record on site (not in a studio) for a half hour period and be able to loop at various intervals what is happening and build this up into a montage and shape it continuously. I would like to change the level of any loop and add effects (not so imperative). Also I would like to be able to replace or delete any loop on the fly and slide it around perhaps and perhaps even change the length of it. I don't need a half hour of memory of course just the ability to keep shaping the audio material continuously. The loops should be able to be of different lengths and not necessarily all nested within one loop. I am very used to hard disk recording but don't think I can get any program I know to change tracks and go in and out of record without stopping. What is the machine I need please? Or is there one? Thanks Bruce From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 16:54:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27458; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 16:49:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 16:49:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074163@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 16:46:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C14603.300402E0" Resent-Message-ID: <_54BJC.A.ZrG.Q2Os7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14603.300402E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >RE: hindemith, > >I've only heard Mathis Der Maler. What would you recommend beyond that? I really like his Ludus Tonalis, it's a set of preludes and fugues in all 12 key, sort of a 20th C. response to the Well-Tempered Clavier. ** which brings up my theory about paul h. i think that, further on down the road, he'll be considered the (js) bach of the 20th century - - and i think that he modeled much of his compositional technique after ol' jsb. sl ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14603.300402E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us

>RE: hindemith,
>
>I've only heard Mathis Der Maler. What would you = recommend beyond that?

I really like his Ludus Tonalis, it's a set of = preludes and fugues in
all 12 key, sort of a 20th C. response to the = Well-Tempered Clavier.

** which brings up my theory about paul h. i think = that, further on down the road, he'll be considered the (js) bach of = the 20th century - -  and i think that he modeled much of his = compositional technique after ol' jsb.

sl

------_=_NextPart_001_01C14603.300402E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 17:23:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29500; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 17:09:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 17:09:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: HarryEsq@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 17:07:49 EDT Subject: Re: being born To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d0.1b65b559.28e24c25_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10535 Resent-Message-ID: <2CwQyD.A.EMH.1IPs7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_d0.1b65b559.28e24c25_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit outroverse? --part1_d0.1b65b559.28e24c25_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit outroverse? --part1_d0.1b65b559.28e24c25_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 17:34:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30450; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 17:27:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 17:27:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <141.2282ed4.28e25069@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 17:26:01 EDT Subject: Re: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dave, In a message dated 9/25/01 12:25:50 PM, improv@peak.org writes: >Ted Killian's list includes a lot of other composers that I love as >well, but I'd like to include Satie and Ligeti as well. How could I have forgotten Ligeti? Geeeeeeeeeeez! The title of my CD, Flux Aeterna, is a modified version of a title one of one of his pieces, Lux Aeterna. I, indeed, am a dooofus!!!! Sorry. Oh, and I do like Satie too, I just don't own any CDs of his. If I were any dumber I wouldn't know how to breathe. Ted From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 17:36:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29980; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 17:19:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 17:19:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074164@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: memory and improvisation Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 17:17:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C14607.6E51BB10" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14607.6E51BB10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The loop space gets all filled up and layered deeper and deeper and it turns into the giant wall of sound loop that demolishes everything in it's path. ** yeah. i guess this is sort of what i meant when discussing how insensitive looping can be in group improv. And then they don't know what to do with that, so at the end they just turn it off, which for me as a listener is rather like running through a very thick and noisy fog and then suddenly colliding with a brick wall. ** of course - - that could be an amazing sound if used properly!!! silence in the loop is good. leave some there to begin with. But also, learn how to add silence to the loop. when the loop has gotten busy, learn to take some things out of it to make it change to less busy. Add space. ** yeah. been thinking about this a lot recently. Learn to make it more empty, in addition to more full. learn to make it go down sometimes instead of always up.... compositional form is another thing that looping should make more possible instead of less. instead of curing insomnia, you might use multiple loops and move between them as a means to create a form, or multiple loops each with a variation of an original loop to give the loop some movement. ** yeah, yeah, yeah. the other thing is pulling a loop in and out of the basic texture/flow - - can add the form thing (if ye want). also, switching between three or so loopers can give some nice effects. But many people get into the "ok I've made my 2 bar loop, now I'm going to let it repeat for 19 minutes while I put you to sleep with my noodling" style of looping. ** snooorrreee . . . huh? what were you saying? To me that is where looping is exciting, when it moves past the simplistic idea of a static audio sample that just repeats over and over, perhaps while being mixed with another static sample or two. Move past the idea of an immutable loop that gets saved and recalled and triggered and repeated but never itself changes, to where the actual process of creating and changing the loop itself becomes the form and then the music.... * i'm too dumb - - beside i like recurring slabs of sound, but then i get hung up on form. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14607.6E51BB10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: memory and improvisation

 The loop space gets all filled up
and layered deeper and deeper and it turns into the = giant wall of sound
loop that demolishes everything in it's path. =

** yeah. i guess this is sort of what i meant when = discussing how insensitive looping can be in group improv.


And then they don't know what
to do with that, so at the end they just turn it = off, which for me as a
listener is rather like running through a very thick = and noisy fog and then
suddenly colliding with a brick wall.

** of course - - that could be an amazing sound if = used properly!!!

silence in the loop is good. leave some there to = begin with. But also,
learn how to add silence to the loop. when the loop = has gotten busy, learn
to take some things out of it to make it change to = less busy. Add space.

** yeah. been thinking about this a lot = recently.

Learn to make it more empty, in addition to more = full. learn to make it go
down sometimes instead of always up....

compositional form is another thing that looping = should make more possible
instead of less.  instead of curing insomnia, = you might use
multiple loops and move between them as a means to = create a form, or
multiple loops each with a variation of an original = loop to give the loop
some movement.

** yeah, yeah, yeah. the other thing is pulling a = loop in and out of the basic texture/flow - - can add the form thing = (if ye want). also, switching between three or so loopers can give some = nice effects.




But many people get into the "ok I've made my 2 = bar loop,
now I'm going to let it repeat for 19 minutes while = I put you to sleep with
my noodling" style of looping.

** snooorrreee . . . huh? what were you saying? =


To me that is where looping is exciting, when it = moves past the simplistic
idea of a static audio sample that just repeats over = and over, perhaps
while being mixed with another static sample or two. = Move past the idea of
an immutable loop that gets saved and recalled and = triggered and repeated
but never itself changes, to where the actual = process of creating and
changing the loop itself becomes the form and then = the music....

* i'm too dumb - - beside i like recurring slabs of = sound, but then i get hung up on form.


stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C14607.6E51BB10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 18:13:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01145; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 18:10:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 18:10:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BB10043.A45B913C@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:08:06 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us References: <141.2282ed4.28e25069@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com KILLINFO@aol.com wrote: > Dave, > > In a message dated 9/25/01 12:25:50 PM, improv@peak.org writes: > > >Ted Killian's list includes a lot of other composers that I love as > >well, but I'd like to include Satie and Ligeti as well. > > How could I have forgotten Ligeti? Geeeeeeeeeeez! The title of my CD, > Flux Aeterna, is a modified version of a title one of one of his pieces, > Lux Aeterna. I, indeed, am a dooofus!!!! Sorry. > > Oh, and I do like Satie too, I just don't own any CDs of his. > > If I were any dumber I wouldn't know how to breathe. > > Ted that's okay. i got the beethoven sonata wrong in my post last night. i MEANT to recommend no. 30 (opus 109), not 31 (o. 110). i like 31, but 30 is quite a bit more interesting. i grew up listening to a recital by daniel barinboim (sp?) that i've been thus far unable to find on cd. the gould is not worth getting, imo, as he tosses it off at a crazy tempo- but there should be a few good examples of it around... ligeti rocks :-) xenakis is another...and satie is irreplaceable! lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 18:14:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00594; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 18:01:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 18:01:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006901c1460d$8450ede0$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: being born Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 23:00:30 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0064_01C14615.DFE57920" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C14615.DFE57920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hors d'ouverse? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: HarryEsq@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: 25 September 2001 22:07 PM Subject: Re: being born outroverse?=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C14615.DFE57920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hors d'ouverse?
 
----- Original Message -----=20
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Subject: Re: being born

outroverse? = ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C14615.DFE57920-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 18:29:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01787; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 18:14:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 18:14:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008801c1460e$f5f44f40$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: <141.2282ed4.28e25069@aol.com> <3BB10043.A45B913C@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 18:11:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: lance glover > ligeti rocks :-) xenakis is another...and satie is irreplaceable! Ah...Xenakis - very important. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 18:32:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02164; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 18:21:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 18:21:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.65.162.66] From: "Barry M" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What machine can do this please? Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 22:20:04 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Sep 2001 22:20:04.0635 (UTC) FILETIME=[39CEA6B0:01C14610] Resent-Message-ID: <3vtECD.A.Yh.zMQs7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Check out http://www.electrixpro.com/products/index.html >From: Bruce Cassidy >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: What machine can do this please? >Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 22:41:06 +0200 > >I want to record on site (not in a studio) for a half hour period and be >able to loop at various intervals what is happening and build this up into >a >montage and shape it continuously. I would like to change the level of any >loop and add effects (not so imperative). Also I would like to be able to >replace or delete any loop on the fly and slide it around perhaps and >perhaps even change the length of it. I don't need a half hour of memory of >course just the ability to keep shaping the audio material continuously. > >The loops should be able to be of different lengths and not necessarily all >nested within one loop. I am very used to hard disk recording but don't >think I can get any program I know to change tracks and go in and out of >record without stopping. >What is the machine I need please? Or is there one? > >Thanks > >Bruce > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 18:40:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03392; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 18:38:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 18:38:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AaroneousAG@aol.com Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 18:37:08 EDT Subject: RE: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ahem - I've always been partial to the work of the late 20th century composer Jim Thirwill - The classic work "Sick Minutes" comes to mind, as does "The Theme to Pigdom Come" , but anything published under the pseudonym "Steroid Maximus" is worth investigating . . sort of a Wagnerian-swing-ambient-psycho-delic-atonal-non-linear-death-metal-polka suite with symphonic-industrial pretentions. Otherwise, I like a Gershwin tune (How 'bout you?) aaroneous P.S. Add Carl Starling and the Boston Pops to the list, as well. P.S.S. And that Cage song that's just silence, but only that one, nothing else From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 19:52:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06901; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 19:43:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 19:43:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BB116DC.DBA74784@pathcom.com> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 19:44:28 -0400 From: hutton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: memory and improvisation References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This subject is very timely for my music ,,,,,,,,, I could not agree more with this. I have been listening to Miles Davis specifically to observe the amount of time he does not play! Time and Space is not easily found in most musical genres. Silence is golden! roberto wrote: > on 25/9/01 10:29 am, Kim Flint at kflint@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > > > silence in the loop is good. leave some there to begin with. But also, > > learn how to add silence to the loop. when the loop has gotten busy, learn > > to take some things out of it to make it change to less busy. Add space. > > Learn to make it more empty, in addition to more full. learn to make it go > > down sometimes instead of always up.... > > > > Very true. Silence is precious, it lets you underline the value of the sound > that is about to follow, it allows time for taking your breath in, listen to > the trail of the sound that's going away. Silence lets you take a step back > to observe the whole picture before you dive in again to craft the details. > Mastering the silence is not easy but it gives much more depth to the music. > > Roberto From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 20:07:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07795; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 19:55:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 19:55:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006701c1461d$c0c95360$43f638cb@swoods> From: "Steven" To: Cc: , <18watt@yahoogroups.com>, References: <001101c14601$7d40e0c0$0200a8c0@mindspring.com> Subject: RE: FW Lexicon MPX G2 Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 09:56:48 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For your interest, RE: Lexicon MPX G2, http://www.loopersdelight.com/tools/MPX-G2/MPX-G2.html http://www.lexicon.com/MPXG2/ http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Lexicon/MPX_G2-01.html This question was asked privately, but I figured some others on the list's would be very interested in my G2 opinions. Chuck wrote: I am just curious if you can provide any opinions on the Lexicon MPX G2s guitar inputs. I plan on getting one of these. Even in the wired bypass mode is there noticeable coloration? Well, let me start off by recommending against the Lexicon MPX G2. Knowing what I know now, I wouldn't buy one. In short, I've had it for a year and I've only recently figured out how to make it sound good, and I'm using it in a way totally different from how it was intended. To answer your question about the input buffer: despite what the literature on the G2 seems to indicate, the "hard wire bypass" does NOT bypass the input buffer on the G2. For me, that's a deal breaker right there. The most sensitive part of a guitar rig to my ears is whatever is between the guitar and the amp input. I think my detection of tonal changes has improved over the years, but the very first thing I noticed after getting my first tube amp is that stomp boxes (crybaby wah, at the time) without true bypass have a noticable effect on the tone. If you're someone who's thinking "true bypass ONLY between the guitar and amp," then you shouldn't get the G2. If you're not a purist, then I think you'll find the buffer on the G2 is not that bad. It's certainly easier to listen to than the tube buffer in the Valvulator. I actually had to do lengthy A/B comparison with the G2 to really figure out how much it effected the tone. One trick with the input on the G2 is setting the levels correctly, but we'll get to that. WHY YOU SHOULDN'T BUY THE LEXICON MPX G2: It's not worth the money, and it doesn't work very well the way it's intended to. First of all, if you use the G2 for most or all of your effects, then it's definitely easy to route everything and all, but the digital nature of the sound adds up quickly as you add more effects. For me, three effects is about my limit of tolerance. Seeing as how the G2 can only do six or seven effects at once, that's not bad, but there are other Lexicon products that are much cheaper and will let you set up the same effects. Second, there's the input buffer, which is not true bypass, and the difference is enough for me to not use it. So that's pretty much half of the G2 that I don't use. I would have sold the G2 and bought a Lexicon MPX1 by now, if it weren't for the fact that I'd lose money on the deal, and the MPX1 is basically the same as the G2 without the guitar input section. Third, the "post gain DSP" effect stage on the G2 is supposed to go in between your preamp and power amp (in the effect loop), and provide your reverb and chorus and delay and what-not. The problem is that Lexicon is a studio processing company first, so all their 'post gain' effects are designed with studio use in mind. They sound best with full range reproduction, but if you take their world-famous reverb and put it through a guitar power amp and guitar speaker, you get ASS. And I don't just mean a little bit.. we're talking about a real big ass. Same with their chorus and flanger. The chorus sounds divine with full-range reproduction, but through a guitar speaker, it sucks. Fourth, the continous controller support on the G2 is so slow that you can't really use the pedal wah effects at all, and the "whammy pedal" pitch effects are only slightly more useful. The wah is also clearly a digital sound, and even a basic Dunlop Crybaby kicks the ass off the G2 wah. Fifth, level setting is a bitch and a half with this box, and the gain structure doesn't really work out. There's not much headroom, when you get right down to it, and each digital effect you add in the chain reduces the output level slightly. This is a REAL pain in the ass, but once again it's indicative of a more studio-oriented design. In summary, about half the effects in the G2 are designed for use between the gutiar and the amp, but the fact that they're digital and there's no true bypass means that your sound is going to suffer pretty badly. You'd do much better to buy a couple analog pedals with true bypass, and you might even spend less money! The other half of the effects are supposed to go in your amp's effect loop, but since they're optimised for studio use they sound terrible in an effect loop. If you want to run effects AFTER your speaker and mic or a speaker simulator (maybe even with a mixer in place like Maarten's rig), then there are many other cheaper Lexicon producs to choose from that offer AMAZING reverb and great chorus and other stuff. Look at the Digitech 2120 or the Rocktron Intellifex instead, and probably give up on the idea of having one box handle all your effect needs. The G2 just costs way too much money for all that it doesn't do right. Toad From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 20:23:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09866; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 20:16:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 20:16:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 19:16:24 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <016a01c14620$7a16fff0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <42.1ae1890d.28e20b03@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >...may want to check out > Messiaen. While he often gets pegged as the "bird song composer", > transcribing bird songs was only one of the many techniques he used. >... > Analyzing the Quartet for the End of Time reveals a lot of > interesting uses of tone rows, rhythmic rows, rhythmic palindromes. > etc. What's most interesting is that his music never comes of as dry > or academic. > i admit i am guilty of this bias. i remember hating that bird song stuff, and whenever someone mentions him i shut my brain off. i'll check the quartet out... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 20:34:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10219; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 20:23:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 20:23:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 19:22:33 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Totally off topic To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <017401c14621$56094e00$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <029c01c145f8$08b0e060$26168bd1@Douglas> Resent-Message-ID: <46jL6B.A.MfC.K_Rs7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i remember a friend playing this for me many years ago. he has a site where 15 collectors rate prog albums: www.gnosis2000.net it gets a good score, though only 3 of them have rated it. you might get some info there... > Beautiful loopers- > I am searching for information re. a band from Ithaca NY which put out a > single album in 1967/68. The group was called Chrysalis; the album, > "Definition" on MGM redcords It is a stunning work in my humble opinion. > I've found a few web pages which help to piece things together, but I would > love to contact any members of the band or anyone affiliated with them. > Heck, anyone who ever heard them would be nice. Among other things, I'd like > to get lyrics to a few songs where they are buried or eroded into grey vinyl > dust. >... > dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 20:41:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11114; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 20:39:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 20:39:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003b01c14624$574fd060$18954e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 20:44:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0038_01C14602.CF6D24C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <_MatrB.A.EtC.NOSs7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C14602.CF6D24C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Steuart wrote: all in all, there is a lot of really amazing "classical" music out = there that is put out on small(ish) labels - - stuff that isn't in the = top 40. it's amazing to me how many really great = late-romantic/early-20th-cent composers kinda got left by the wayside - = - and these people could REALLY write.=20 That's so true - there are so many great composers, both past and = present, who undeservedly go unheard. If anyone has the chance, I = strongly recommend tuning in to the web broadcast from Princeton = University's station WPRB ( http://www.wprb.com/ ) on Tuesdays from 6:00 = to 11:00 AM EST for the program "Classical Discoveries" hosted by the = extremely knowledgeable and informative Marvin Rosen ( = http://ourworld.cs.com/clasdis ). Marvin plays a wonderful selection of = largely ignored classical music from all eras, from the earliest extant = music manuscripts to music that was written within the past several = months. He's a tireless champion of unheard composers and his program = is always worth hearing for the gems that he manages to find and share. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C14602.CF6D24C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: New Thread: Classical Music = Influences on Us
Steuart wrote:

all in all, there is a lot of really amazing=20 "classical" music out there that is put out on small(ish)=20 labels  - - stuff that isn't in the top 40. it's amazing to me = how many=20 really great late-romantic/early-20th-cent composers kinda got left = by the=20 wayside - - and these people could REALLY write. =

That's so true - there are so many great = composers,=20 both past and present, who undeservedly go unheard.  If anyone has = the=20 chance, I strongly recommend tuning in to the web broadcast from = Princeton=20 University's station WPRB ( http://www.wprb.com/ ) on = Tuesdays from=20 6:00 to 11:00 AM EST for the program "Classical Discoveries" = hosted by=20 the extremely knowledgeable and informative Marvin Rosen ( http://ourworld.cs.com/clasdis=20 ).  Marvin plays a wonderful selection of largely ignored classical = music=20 from all eras, from the earliest extant music manuscripts to music that = was=20 written within the past several months.  He's a tireless champion = of=20 unheard composers and his program is always worth hearing for the gems = that he=20 manages to find and share.
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C14602.CF6D24C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 21:44:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14264; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 21:33:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 21:33:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: David Trenkel Message-ID: <1316.198.88.144.59.1001522684.squirrel@emh.peak.org> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 09:44:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <141.2282ed4.28e25069@aol.com> References: <141.2282ed4.28e25069@aol.com> X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.0.3) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ted Killian writes: > > Oh, and I do like Satie too, I just don't own any CDs of his. > I'm really enjoying Teodoro Anzilloti's (I think that's the spelling, but don't have the disc handy) arrangements of Satie for Accordion. The Gymnopedes and Gnossienes, and a few other pieces are on the disc, and the arrangements just sound totally appropriate. It's on the Winter and Winter label > If I were any dumber I wouldn't know how to breathe. Aw, c'mon Ted, don't be so hard on yourself,you're doing fine for a guitarist:-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 23:54:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23478; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 23:53:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 23:53:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010925220955.009e3040@mail.gamutstudio.com> X-Sender: jon%gamutstudio.com@mail.gamutstudio.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 23:00:00 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jon Southwood Subject: Re: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us In-Reply-To: <003b01c14624$574fd060$18954e0c@u73x0> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com warning: this is a long msg... This is a great thread...Having come to looping through a classical background (graduate school in composition), I've watched as a number of composers who I've spent countless hours listening to and analysing works of go by. I'd like to add a few things to the discussion: 1. Someone asked about the pronunciation of Varese: I've only ever heard it pronounced vah-REHZ (rhymes with "says") (incidentally, also rhymes with Boulez---which doesn't rhyme with Robert Goullet) 2. Rick, you mentioned Ravel's "Variations on a Theme by Thomas Tallis", but it's actually by Vaughn Williams 3. Outside of grad school, a few of us in central Iowa get together weekly to do "score study" of modern pieces. Given the current discussion, I'll share the list of composers we've looked at recently: Webern, Symphony, Op. 21; Wonderful economy of means, and the structure of the 12-tone row is incredible. His extension of Schoenberg's idea of "klangfarbenmelodie" (tone color melody) is inspiring/inspired. Webern's music is so crisp, that it does stand in fairly stark contrast to Schoenberg's more Romantic flights of fancy. Messiaen, Turangalila Symphony; Messiaen should be on every looper's listening list. This piece is replete with recycled themes, isorhythms (mutating loops, if you will), and straight-up loops. Eliott Carter, String Quartet #2; Staggering piece...very dense textures, non-tonal...at times the ear becomes saturated and there's a feeling of stasis, and then he moves ya somewhere else...no looping here, this is the modernist ideal: constant variation. D. Martin Jenni, Cucumber Music; A piece written by a former professor of mine at the University of Iowa. First part of the piece uses strict application of isorhythms, with independence of parts that makes your head swim. The second part of the piece is primarily an application of heterophony. Stravinsky, Octet; A textbook example of Stravinsky's block form. This piece is analogous to working in Acid. Other composers we've looked at: Toru Takemitsu (RING), Morton Feldman (Coptic Light, Rothko Chapel), Boulez (Le Marteau sans Maitre), Charles Ives (Tone Roads Nos. 1 and 3), Gorecki (String Quartets), Lutoslawski (Concerto for Orchestra, Symphonies, Trois Poems du Henri Machaut, Novellette), Darius Milhaud (Cinq Symphonies, Le Creation du Monde), Peter Maxwell Davies (Ave Maris Stella, 8 Songs of a Mad King, St. Thomas Wake), George Crumb (Ancient Voices of Children, Songs Refrains and Drones of Death, Makrokosmos), Luciano Berio (Sinfonia, Thema-Omaggio a Joyce, Visage, Sequenzas), Davidovsky (Synchronisms), Stockhausen (Kontakte, Gesange der Junglige, Klavierstucke), Xenakis (Pithoprakta, Metastasis, Tetras, Tetora, Plekto, Nomos Alpha), Kendrick (Psalms), Southwood (Cobwebs), Burrier (II for cello), Roy Harris (Symphonies), Howard Hanson (Symphonies), Varese (Ionisation, Density 21.5, Integrales, Hyperprism), Ligeti (Lux Aeterna, Atmospheres, Aventures, Piano Etudes).... Whew...that should plenty of ideas for stuff for people to listen to...incidentally, there's not a piece listed in this message that hasn't had some sort of impact on my own looping and non-looping music, even (and probably especially) the music that is non-loop-friendly. At a recent looping recital I held, I incorporated a sound-mass improvisation (a la Ligeti, Xenakis, and Penderecki), a block-form improvisation (a la Stravinsky), and some early experiments in polytonality (a la Mihlaud). Cheers, Jon Southwood jon@gamutstudio.com P.S. Miko, if you happened to make it through to the end of this e-mail, know that by the end of this coming weekend, I'll be ready to send off the lounge tracks that are woefully overdue...evidently too much listening and not enough playing/writing... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 26 00:36:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA26870; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 00:34:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 00:34:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <017401c14621$56094e00$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <029c01c145f8$08b0e060$26168bd1@Douglas> <017401c14621$56094e00$080210ac@jpalmer> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 00:29:48 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: Totally off topic Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:22 PM -0500 9/25/01, jim palmer wrote: >i remember a friend playing this for me many years ago. >he has a site where 15 collectors rate prog albums: > >www.gnosis2000.net > >it gets a good score, though only 3 of them have rated it. >you might get some info there... > >> Beautiful loopers- >> I am searching for information re. a band from Ithaca NY which put out a > > single album in 1967/68. The group was called Chrysalis; the album, >> "Definition" on MGM redcords It is a stunning work in my humble opinion. >> I've found a few web pages which help to piece things together, but I would >> love to contact any members of the band or anyone affiliated with them. >> Heck, anyone who ever heard them would be nice. Among other things, I'd like >> to get lyrics to a few songs where they are buried or eroded into grey vinyl > > dust. > >... All I can remember about them was an ad for a concert in the Cornell newspaper "Tomorrow is the last day of finals. You can get stoned. You can go to the Chrysalis concert. We recommend that you do both" As I recall, I did both -- but I don't have any recollections about the music. -- "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times" -- Charles Dickens Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 26 02:02:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA32412; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 01:54:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 01:54:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.20.137.222] From: "Joe Dallarda" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Classical Music influences thread Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 05:53:08 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Sep 2001 05:53:08.0947 (UTC) FILETIME=[84EB7A30:01C1464F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com George Crumbs "Black Angels" as performed by Kronos Quartet, which was "inspired" by the war in Vietman, never ceases to have a powerful effect on me- it has the sound of someone shredding the physical body to get at some kind of primal core of being held within, a kind of excorcism and catharsis of a soul in trauma, trying to break free of itself, violently, apocalypticaly- heroicly. Some works of art (not just music, of course,) are just so fertile somehow, like worlds you can travel in which somehow create a kind of cloud of abstract (oh no, there it goes again), half-formulated ideas, images, etc, which give rise to more ideas, more images, more music. About a year ago or so I went to see a friend/musical collaborator who was performing with raz mesinai of subdub and badawi. at one point during the show some music was performed which made use of sampled (themselves, not other musicians)/looped violins and cellos, treated with fx at times, that really blew me away. anyone know of any experimenatl electro-acoustic/loop oriented music/musicians in which the principle instruments are classical, violins, violas etc, that they would recommend? You know, not steve reich, philip glass repetitive structure composing technique kind of stuff, but music in which the musicians make use of loopers, electronic sound design, etc. Also, not that the current thread is running out of steam, but how about a "world" music influences thread? I've gotten ideas about looping (maybe just philosophical, maybe applicable also)from south asian, balinese, african, and middle eastern music in particular. its really struck me many times how strange it is (maybe it isnt) that when listening to, just for sake of example, a recording of moroccan folk musicians, the "tendency" to repetitive, yet evolving structures, reminds me of loop-based electronic music. you see this in particular in religious, or mystically oriented music, so its really, really interesting to me that so many people on our list, when gettin' kinda personal about their feelings about the kind of music they do, use almost religious, definitly mystical terms. peace, j. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 26 04:01:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06954; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 03:59:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 03:59:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: WTrue4@aol.com Message-ID: <39.1b2520ec.28e2e4c1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 03:58:57 EDT Subject: Re: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_39.1b2520ec.28e2e4c1_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10540 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_39.1b2520ec.28e2e4c1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit YES I DO TOO....LOL.. --part1_39.1b2520ec.28e2e4c1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit YES I DO TOO....LOL.. --part1_39.1b2520ec.28e2e4c1_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 26 04:13:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA07552; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 04:12:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 04:12:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074160@mitorexch01.maritz.com> References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074160@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 05:11:10 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: memory and improvisation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <6IlUsC.A.i1B.f2Ys7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >shure, if you want such a structure, you may be right (although I am >surprised sometimes how themes come back without me remembering >them). > >** then you've remembered them, no? ;-) Maybe I am not quite accurate with the use of the verbs "remember/recall/remind": Sometimes I listen to old recordings and suddenly some theme sounds familiar and in a few cases I managed to track the other version and they were really similar, though years apart. Another situation is that I suddenly feel I play the same theme as 10 minutes ago. In other sessions its as if a theme or style dominates the night and keeps turning back in several ways. Some partners then complain and want to "get rid of it", but I dont care. In a reggae or blues concert there is not much variation either, and the public does not complain, so why not treat a theme thoroughly when it comes up. But its very different from "wanting to remember": The mind works (apparently) as a monitor and compares results rather than feeding the music. I often loose track if mind makes such observations, because it immediately wants to interfere, but (in my case) its not able to reconstruct what happened before. Somehow it feels like the fingers know what they want to do. Must be true to some degree: There are typical movements, positions the motoric system is familiar with and such falls into a pattern, reproduces a lick or a chord. But then again, why would the fingers want to execute a complex musical trip? Similarly, when driving the car automatically: The leg knows how to use the clutch and the arms how to take a curve, but what knows the way to go and how to react when pedestrians approach? The mind would never be able to control all those situations! Last year I met Peter Gregor, the loudspeaker genius I recently mentioned, and was amazed to hear from him: "I am sure now that we are controlled somehow. I had a shop at a crossing and time to observe the movements and there were so many situations where an accident had to happen if people would just rely on their senses, mental reactions and probability, and in most cases due to some *luck*, the accident did not happen." You can call it angels or higher senses or collective consciousness or left brain or whatever, but there is something we can and do profit from while playing. Sorry if I repeat myself, you probably all agree on that anyway :-) To bring it back to T: The most fascinating about looping for me is the possibility to grab this influence and instantly throw it back on us and make us realize it, react to it > But I observe that I dont need this structure as a listener. Most >musicians teach me that its necessary for understanding, but I am >not sure. >In the last century, we got rid of so many cages, music without >melody, without rhythm, without tonal scale, without tonal center >was explored, but hardly music without "structure", but I may be >totally wrong here... > >** well, structure is only one tool/possibility. in my experience, >many people who improvise negect form as a basic building block; >they seem to concentrate on other things more. in fact, many who do >"free improv" seem to be "against" tonality, rhythm or form - - to >which i say, "what's free if i can't do that?" right! But why not keep some tonality or rhythm (some language that a public can deal with) and let the form grow freely? Thats what I hardly heard so far. Could you give an example of such music? The song form is important if you want the public to learn your song or if you want to simplify the work of the musicians that execute your composition, but I doubt that it is necessary to bring the message through. I suffer from my position because so far all interested producers gave up on me when they understood that I am not teaching my music to the public: "you need to establish your melody that sticks in peoples minds if you want to make success". Why? If they like every concert although (or: because) they are all different, isnt that enough to make them come back an buy CDs? Will they go home sad because I did not reproduce the piece they liked on the CD? Maybe... >I think the atitude is important: I find it much different to repeat >some cliche because it just comes up, or to repeat it because I >think its smart or necessary or different or whatever. > >** are we talking about one's own cliches, or those of others? well, I didnt think it matters much here... I mix a lot of common folkloric clichees into mine... >I wonder how the new technology with non volatile memory for lots of >loops influences this. >The memory can be used to save the "cliches", or to free you from >the effort (distraction?) to remember the theme (once you want to do >such structured music). > >** well i sometimes use loopers to put in a spontaneous theme and >fly it back in at "appropriate" times. thats a way I would like to learn (and get a Repeater for :-) When I try it with the EDPs NextLoop feature, I usually get shocked how little "appropriate" the old loop is and loose track... I hope that will become more fluent with several tracks that we can bring in slowly. >You save a loop and bring it back the next night, save another line >with it and such make the composition richer each time you improvise >it... > >** that's more of a composition with improv than it is free improv, no? Yes, I guess so... the boarder get more and more loose. Once you bring in several old loops, you may as well call it a free composition, maybe? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 26 04:16:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA07478; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 04:10:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 04:10:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 05:09:29 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Welcome, Carl Jacobson! >I am so happy I found this list. Since I moved from NYC, I've kind of felt >like an island re: this kind of music. I joined this list because I heard >there was a discussion about Plasma, one of Cakewalk's loop-based products. >I never expected conversations on these topics. > >I've been on a Scriabin kick lately, especially the Piano Sonatas 5-10. Any >opinions on his music? Yes, I just got a piano concert of his. Its very impressif in the beginning and then somehow cannot round it up... I wonder about the Sonatas... For the first time I traveled with a PowerBook (which makes live totally diferent, even at home) and kept putting it on friends CD colections and suck in whatever I thought was interesting. So sometimes I did not care enough about documentation... amazing that many classical recordings are not on CDDB... Anyway what I found of interest: Fauree Requiem. Just beautifull! Friedrich Gulda: A wild Austrian piano player, exellent Mozart interpreter, but also improviser, composer and friend/partner of Chick Corea. I dont think he is still alive. I have seen him playing years ago, finalizing a city open air festival. It turned into an incredibly unifying event since he touched every group of the society. He is equally funny and deep, free and acurate. So is the CD I found, him playing his own compositions. Monteverdi, allways. Richard Strauss: Die vier letzten Lieder. His testament. Very ripe, and prety concrete: He interprets poems almost word by word. Talles: Somebody mentioned him... he made a work for 30 voices or so, a terrifically dense choir, completely ahead of time! I lost the CD... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 26 04:54:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA08930; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 04:53:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 04:53:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: RE: memory and improvisation Reply-To: A.Willers@t-online.de From: A.Willers@t-online.de (A.Willers) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 10:52:16 +0000 X-Mailer: Musashi 3.2.3-es Message-ID: <15mAQ5-0btRrcC@fwd06.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 520012547034-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, some free improv guys are actually annoyed when you toss in a loop at them, especially if it has some (yak) rhythmic content.... But admittedly the most basic and easy to operate loopers work best in that kind of a situation, especially those old pitch shifted loops. BTW, has anybody tried to loop on this newly released HIWATT tape echo? It's supposed to do 2000ms, does it pitch shift? Reminds me of my old Korg stage echo.... Also in free improv you should be able to instantly repeat anything you were just playing. Thanks for the input on 20th century composers, I'd like to add anything by Sofia Gubaidulina, especially the orchestra stuff. andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 26 09:41:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA23241; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 09:38:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 09:38:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 09:36:12 -0400 Subject: Re: Classical Music Influences; EDP technique From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200109260354.XAA23718@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3084341772_55397_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3084341772_55397_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit How about Stravinsky? I highly recommend Les Noces for those who don't know it -- especially in the recording conducted by Pierre Boulez. One thing I love about this period Stravinsky is the superimposition of two or more songlike elements in two different rhythms. I've been doing something interesting with syncing a drum machine to my EDP that, come to think of it, is sort of Stravinskylike in this way. First I record an loop of, say, 14 medium-tempo beats. Then I sync my drum machine to it (8ths/beat=8) in a 4/4 rhythm, say an irregular jungle or acid-jazz type beat. The drum machine is now playing at a rather slow tempo. Then I add some delay to the drum machine, and generally play around with it until I have something intriguing. I end up with the drum machine synced to my loop, but not in any straightforward "this is the beat for this melody" way -- it's a kind of random polyrhythm that I tweak to taste. --MS_Mac_OE_3084341772_55397_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Classical Music Influences; EDP technique How about Stravinsky?  I highly recommend Les Noces for= those who don't know it -- especially in the recording conducted by Pierre = Boulez.  One thing I love about this period Stravinsky is the superimpo= sition of two or more songlike elements in two different rhythms.

I've been doing something interesting with syncing a drum machine to my EDP= that, come to think of it, is sort of Stravinskylike in this way. First I r= ecord an loop of, say, 14 medium-tempo beats.  Then I sync my drum mach= ine to it (8ths/beat=3D8) in a 4/4 rhythm, say an irregular jungle or acid-jaz= z type beat.  The drum machine is now playing at a rather slow tempo. &= nbsp;Then I add some delay to the drum machine, and generally play around wi= th it until I have something intriguing.  I end up with the drum machin= e synced to my loop, but not in any straightforward "this is the beat f= or this melody" way -- it's a kind of random polyrhythm that I tweak to= taste. --MS_Mac_OE_3084341772_55397_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 26 11:27:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28776; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 11:20:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 11:20:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003801c1469f$44a08740$39934e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: CORRECTION - Re: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 11:23:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0035_01C1467D.BC932220" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C1467D.BC932220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just found out this morning that the program has been switched to the = fall schedule and is now being aired on WEDNESDAY mornings instead of = Tuesdays. For those in the NYC - NJ - Phila area it's 103.3 FM. James -----Original Message----- From: James Pokorny To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com = Date: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 8:51 PM Subject: Re: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us =20 =20 Steuart wrote: all in all, there is a lot of really amazing "classical" music = out there that is put out on small(ish) labels - - stuff that isn't in = the top 40. it's amazing to me how many really great = late-romantic/early-20th-cent composers kinda got left by the wayside - = - and these people could REALLY write.=20 That's so true - there are so many great composers, both past and = present, who undeservedly go unheard. If anyone has the chance, I = strongly recommend tuning in to the web broadcast from Princeton = University's station WPRB ( http://www.wprb.com/ ) on Tuesdays from 6:00 = to 11:00 AM EST for the program "Classical Discoveries" hosted by the = extremely knowledgeable and informative Marvin Rosen ( = http://ourworld.cs.com/clasdis ). Marvin plays a wonderful selection of = largely ignored classical music from all eras, from the earliest extant = music manuscripts to music that was written within the past several = months. He's a tireless champion of unheard composers and his program = is always worth hearing for the gems that he manages to find and share. =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C1467D.BC932220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: New Thread: Classical Music = Influences on Us
I just found out this morning that the = program has been=20 switched to the fall schedule and is now being aired on WEDNESDAY = mornings=20 instead of Tuesdays.  For those in the NYC - NJ - Phila area it's = 103.3=20 FM.
 
James
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From:=20 James Pokorny <j.pokorny@worldnet.att.net= >
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20 <Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com>
Date:=20 Tuesday, September 25, 2001 8:51 PM
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Steuart wrote:

all in all, there is a lot of really amazing=20 "classical" music out there that is put out on = small(ish)=20 labels  - - stuff that isn't in the top 40. it's amazing to = me how=20 many really great late-romantic/early-20th-cent composers kinda = got left=20 by the wayside - - and these people could REALLY write.=20

That's so true - there are so many great = composers,=20 both past and present, who undeservedly go unheard.  If anyone = has the=20 chance, I strongly recommend tuning in to the web broadcast from = Princeton=20 University's station WPRB ( http://www.wprb.com/ ) on = Tuesdays=20 from 6:00 to 11:00 AM EST for the program "Classical = Discoveries"=20 hosted by the extremely knowledgeable and informative Marvin Rosen=20 ( http://ourworld.cs.com/clasdis=20 ).  Marvin plays a wonderful selection of largely ignored = classical=20 music from all eras, from the earliest extant music manuscripts to = music=20 that was written within the past several months.  He's a = tireless=20 champion of unheard composers and his program is always worth = hearing for=20 the gems that he manages to find and share.
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C1467D.BC932220-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 26 12:12:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31531; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 12:05:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 12:05:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007901c146a5$9d531320$39934e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: "World" Music influences thread Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 12:09:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Joe wrote >Also, not that the current thread is running out of steam, but how about a >"world" music influences thread? I've gotten ideas about looping (maybe just >philosophical, maybe applicable also)from south asian, balinese, african, >and middle eastern music in particular. its really struck me many times how >strange it is (maybe it isnt) that when listening to, just for sake of >example, a recording of moroccan folk musicians, the "tendency" to >repetitive, yet evolving structures, reminds me of loop-based electronic >music. There have been many good threads on world music in regards to looping, with listening suggestions. Check the archives for terms like "asian instruments," "world music," "indian music," "jews harp," "loopable instruments," "shruti," etc. Not to say we shouldn't start a new thread, either . . . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 26 13:07:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02716; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 13:05:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 13:05:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d001c146ad$2af6fa00$410c5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: midi merging Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 13:03:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Try these: http://www.peavey.com/ http://www.peavey.com/midi/pc1600x.html Cheers, Bill -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sunday, September 23, 2001 4:41 PM Subject: Re: midi merging >Where can one purchase a Peavy PC-1600x? I searched the web and came up >with nothing. I know Peavy doesn't give big volume discounts to the big >retailers, which is why you don't see their stuff on Musician's Feind, >but is there any place to get it other than small retailers? Frankly, I >couldn't even find a Peavy webpage. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 26 13:48:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04545; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 13:47:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 13:47:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BB21453.75DAC3AF@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 10:48:07 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Thread: "Classical" Music Influences on Us References: <42.1ae1890d.28e20b03@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <014GSC.A.nGB.MShs7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com more grist for the mill, as it were: charles ives first sonata for piano & piano sonata no. 2 (1 emerson, 2 hawthorne, 3 the alcotts 4 thoreau) this stuff never fails to amaze. the alcotts especially- so beautiful/straightforward... charles ives calcium night light, three-page sonata for piano, songs for voice & piano george crumb voices of children, black angels, music for a summer evening messien et exspecto resurrectionem mortuorum penderecki dies irae, de natura sonoris II, fluorescences, anklasis schnittke concerto grosso no. 1 carl nielsen any of the symphonies, but in particular no. 5 xenakis atre'es st/4 nomos alpha akrata poola ta dhina st/10 berio sequenza III ligeti atmospheres conlon nancarrow anything, but in part. studies 3a, 3b, 3c, 3d, 3e varese ionization (of course), density 21.5, integrales, deserts thanks to everyone else on this thread, i've got lots of new (and old) things to look for... lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 26 14:07:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06815; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:06:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:06:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D007416E@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "Looper's Delight (E-mail)" Subject: New Thread: "Classical" Music Influences on Us Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:04:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C146B5.A5E7A090" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C146B5.A5E7A090 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" yeah, yeah, all this classical stuff is way cool (i mean i liked elp's "pictures at an exhibition" and i thought that it showed keith emerson could really write some great classical music) . . . but how many people here are into the crue? ;-0 . . . ;-) stig (p.s. i know emerson didn't write it . . . s'a joke son!) -----Original Message----- From: lance glover [mailto:baumhaus@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 10:48 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Thread: "Classical" Music Influences on Us more grist for the mill, as it were: charles ives first sonata for piano & piano sonata no. 2 (1 emerson, 2 hawthorne, 3 the alcotts 4 thoreau) this stuff never fails to amaze. the alcotts especially- so beautiful/straightforward... charles ives calcium night light, three-page sonata for piano, songs for voice & piano george crumb voices of children, black angels, music for a summer evening messien et exspecto resurrectionem mortuorum penderecki dies irae, de natura sonoris II, fluorescences, anklasis schnittke concerto grosso no. 1 carl nielsen any of the symphonies, but in particular no. 5 xenakis atre'es st/4 nomos alpha akrata poola ta dhina st/10 berio sequenza III ligeti atmospheres conlon nancarrow anything, but in part. studies 3a, 3b, 3c, 3d, 3e varese ionization (of course), density 21.5, integrales, deserts thanks to everyone else on this thread, i've got lots of new (and old) things to look for... lance g. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C146B5.A5E7A090 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable New Thread: "Classical" Music Influences on = Us


yeah, yeah, all this classical stuff is way cool (i = mean i liked elp's "pictures at an exhibition" and i thought = that it showed keith emerson could really write some great classical = music) . . .

but how many people here are into the crue?

;-0 . . . ;-)

stig

(p.s. i know emerson didn't write it . . . s'a joke = son!)



-----Original Message-----
From: lance glover [mailto:baumhaus@earthlink.net= ]
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 10:48 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: New Thread: "Classical" Music = Influences on Us


more grist for the mill, as it were:


charles ives    first sonata for piano = & piano sonata no. 2 (1 emerson, 2
hawthorne, 3 the alcotts 4 thoreau) this stuff never = fails to amaze. the alcotts
especially- so beautiful/straightforward...

charles ives   calcium night light, = three-page sonata for piano, songs for voice
& piano

george crumb   voices of children, black = angels, music for a summer evening

messien   et exspecto resurrectionem = mortuorum

penderecki   dies irae, de natura sonoris = II, fluorescences, anklasis

schnittke   concerto grosso no. 1

carl nielsen   any of the symphonies, but = in particular no. 5

xenakis   atre'es  st/4   = nomos alpha    akrata  poola ta dhina   = st/10

berio   sequenza III

ligeti   atmospheres

conlon nancarrow   anything, but in part. = studies 3a, 3b, 3c, 3d, 3e

varese   ionization (of course), density = 21.5, integrales, deserts



thanks to everyone else on this thread, i've got lots = of new (and old) things to
look for...

lance g.



------_=_NextPart_001_01C146B5.A5E7A090-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 26 14:33:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08122; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:32:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:32:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: RE: New Thread: "Classical" Music Influences on Us Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 20:33:00 +0200 Message-ID: <001401c146b9$ac548980$0301a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D007416E@mitorexch01.maritz.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <1E-MpC.A.X9B.N8hs7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, did you check out Emerson's piano concerto? While not "original" in any way, it sounds like the work of a gifted pupil of Tschaikowsky... Cheers, Rainer p.s.: "Works, Vol.I" p.p.s.: regarding your joke: I know quite a lot of so-called "educated" people (persons with a chair in a history of culture et al.) who think that "Pictures" was originally a composition for orchestra... Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs -----Original Message----- From: Liebig, Steuart A. [mailto:Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com] Sent: Mittwoch, 26. September 2001 20:04 To: Looper's Delight (E-mail) Subject: New Thread: "Classical" Music Influences on Us yeah, yeah, all this classical stuff is way cool (i mean i liked elp's "pictures at an exhibition" and i thought that it showed keith emerson could really write some great classical music) . . . but how many people here are into the crue? ;-0 . . . ;-) stig (p.s. i know emerson didn't write it . . . s'a joke son!) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 26 14:39:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08139; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:33:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:33:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BB21F33.F7679744@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 11:34:41 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Thread: "Classical" Music Influences on Us References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D007416E@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Liebig, Steuart A." wrote: > > > > > yeah, yeah, all this classical stuff is way cool (i mean i liked elp's > "pictures at an exhibition" and i thought that it showed keith emerson > could really write some great classical music) . . . > > but how many people here are into the crue? > > ;-0 . . . ;-) > > stig > > (p.s. i know emerson didn't write it . . . s'a joke son!) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: lance glover [mailto:baumhaus@earthlink.net] > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 10:48 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: New Thread: "Classical" Music Influences on Us > > more grist for the mill, as it were: > > charles ives first sonata for piano & piano sonata no. 2 (1 > emerson, 2 > hawthorne, 3 the alcotts 4 thoreau) this stuff never fails to amaze. > the alcotts > especially- so beautiful/straightforward... > > charles ives calcium night light, three-page sonata for piano, songs > for voice > & piano > > george crumb voices of children, black angels, music for a summer > evening > > messien et exspecto resurrectionem mortuorum > > penderecki dies irae, de natura sonoris II, fluorescences, anklasis > > schnittke concerto grosso no. 1 > > carl nielsen any of the symphonies, but in particular no. 5 > > xenakis atre'es st/4 nomos alpha akrata poola ta dhina > st/10 > > berio sequenza III > > ligeti atmospheres > > conlon nancarrow anything, but in part. studies 3a, 3b, 3c, 3d, 3e > > varese ionization (of course), density 21.5, integrales, deserts > > > thanks to everyone else on this thread, i've got lots of new (and old) > things to > look for... > > lance g. > what's funny about that is that i had a misunderstanding with the high-school teacher who turned me on to ives (remember now this was back in the early seventies- i'm an OG). i actually DID think he was talking about keith emerson, not ralph waldo!!! this was soon clarified however, much to my chagrin... someone i fergot to mention in all this is harry partch. was (and is) a real inspiration & influence...and thanks for whomever mentioned darius milhaud (pron. mee-yo?)... also, for the mention of cage's 4' 33" (silent piece), i think this was tongue-in-cheek (do correct me if i'm wrong). i appreciate cage's writing immensely, but concur with a number of folk who've posted in the past about his compositional output being, shall we say, not uniformly impressive. i do have a soft spot for the gamelan/satie/etc.-influenced early prepared piano pieces; many of them are quite exquisite and imho hold their own against a majority of 20th cent. musical innovations... lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 26 14:53:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09155; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:52:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:52:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.65.162.66] From: "Barry M" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: midi merging Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 18:51:31 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Sep 2001 18:51:31.0441 (UTC) FILETIME=[41C68610:01C146BC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You have 2 days.... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1276544630 best, BM >-----Original Message----- >From: Mark Sottilaro >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Date: Sunday, September 23, 2001 4:41 PM >Subject: Re: midi merging > > > >Where can one purchase a Peavy PC-1600x? I searched the web and came up > >with nothing. I know Peavy doesn't give big volume discounts to the big > >retailers, which is why you don't see their stuff on Musician's Feind, > >but is there any place to get it other than small retailers? Frankly, I > >couldn't even find a Peavy webpage. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 26 15:18:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11250; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 15:12:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 15:12:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BB22869.71EF35D5@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 12:11:34 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: midi merging References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not for me. I need a foot controller. If I could use my hands, I'd just use the Repeater's front panal. Mark Barry M wrote: > You have 2 days.... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1276544630 > > best, > BM > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Mark Sottilaro > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > >Date: Sunday, September 23, 2001 4:41 PM > >Subject: Re: midi merging > > > > > > >Where can one purchase a Peavy PC-1600x? I searched the web and came up > > >with nothing. I know Peavy doesn't give big volume discounts to the big > > >retailers, which is why you don't see their stuff on Musician's Feind, > > >but is there any place to get it other than small retailers? Frankly, I > > >couldn't even find a Peavy webpage. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 26 15:26:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11246; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 15:12:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 15:12:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010926115752.01b63928@mulder.intermag.com> X-Sender: mpulver@mulder.intermag.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 12:04:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: midi merging In-Reply-To: <00d001c146ad$2af6fa00$410c5cd1@-> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Sep 2001 19:04:52.0600 (UTC) FILETIME=[1F4DAF80:01C146BE] Resent-Message-ID: <1pWeeD.A.duC.bhis7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bill Fox (10:03 AM 09.26.2001) wrote: >Try these: >http://www.peavey.com/ >http://www.peavey.com/midi/pc1600x.html And Dan Nigrin's user page: http://www.defectiverecords.com/pc1600/pc1600.html btw... The PC-1600 on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1276544630 Doesn't look like an "X", the differences are outlined here: http://www.peavey.com/midi/pc1600x_faq.html#2 You can get a new OS for the original PC-1600 which will give it all the features of the X by dropping a line to Customer Service (I think they charge $20 for the ROM): customerservice@peavey.com It's a ROM swap, and you _WILL_ lose your presets when you do it. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 26 16:05:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12953; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 15:54:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 15:54:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074175@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "Looper's Delight (E-mail)" Subject: RE: New Thread: "Classical" Music Influences on Us Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 15:51:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C146C4.9729ADF0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C146C4.9729ADF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" did you check out Emerson's piano concerto? While not "original" in any way, it sounds like the work of a gifted pupil of Tschaikowsky... ** naw. to be honest i lost all interest in the elp thing after seeing them live. a dreadful and self-indulgent show (didn't help that mahavishnu orch. opened for them). closed mind or disinterest - - call it either way. but it really wasn't a slam on elp in any event, i quite liked their first 3-4 records - - even pictures (and it took me a while to figure out who those other guys who wrote the music were). p.p.s.: regarding your joke: I know quite a lot of so-called "educated" people (persons with a chair in a history of culture et al.) who think that "Pictures" was originally a composition for orchestra... ** oh yes . . . and then there's the fact that ravel's is only one of at least two orchestrations. (have you ever heard the other one? odd experience: sounds like you expect and then certain voicings are different, slight variations in orchestration in brass chords and then big differences in other places. i think it doesn't have quite the same resonance as ravel's, but then maybe i'm just used to it and can't get it out of my head enough to deal with the other guy's - - sorry, his name escapes me.) stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C146C4.9729ADF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: New Thread: "Classical" Music Influences on = Us

did you check out Emerson's piano concerto? While not = "original" in any way,
it sounds like the work of a gifted pupil of = Tschaikowsky...

** naw. to be honest i lost all interest in the elp = thing after seeing them live. a dreadful and self-indulgent show = (didn't help that mahavishnu orch. opened for them). closed mind or = disinterest  - - call it either way. but it really wasn't a slam = on elp in any event, i quite liked their first 3-4 records - - even = pictures (and it took me a while to figure out who those other guys who = wrote the music were).


p.p.s.: regarding your joke: I know quite a lot of = so-called "educated"
people (persons with a chair in a history of culture = et al.) who think that
"Pictures" was originally a composition = for orchestra...

** oh yes . . . and then there's the fact that = ravel's is only one of at least two orchestrations. (have you ever = heard the other one? odd experience: sounds like you expect and then = certain voicings are different, slight variations in orchestration in = brass chords and then big differences in other places. i think it = doesn't have quite the same resonance as ravel's, but then maybe i'm = just used to it and can't get it out of my head enough to deal with the = other guy's  - - sorry, his name escapes me.)

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C146C4.9729ADF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 26 18:27:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21993; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 18:23:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 18:23:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D007417E@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: memory and improvisation Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 18:20:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C146D9.6F57D800" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C146D9.6F57D800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sometimes I listen to old recordings and suddenly some theme sounds familiar and in a few cases I managed to track the other version and they were really similar, though years apart. ** this is where you have a melodic style, no? most composers or improvisers tend to have a sensibility that is "theirs." In other sessions its as if a theme or style dominates the night and keeps turning back in several ways. Some partners then complain and want to "get rid of it", but I dont care. ** i once did a improv session with a guy who didn't want me to do a thematic exploration for even one piece. i did anyway . . . when he listened back to a tape of the seesion, it was his favorite piece of the whole day. In a reggae or blues concert there is not much variation either, ** or, often, jazz! But its very different from "wanting to remember": The mind works (apparently) as a monitor and compares results rather than feeding the music. * yeah, i guess. i think that "remembering" a theme from earlier in an improv and reusing it later in the same improv (with intent) is a good thing. "remembering" something where it means that you don't have any other licks is a bad thing. but then, again, my way into doing improv often deals with a *compositional" situation/intent. Somehow it feels like the fingers know what they want to do. Must be true to some degree: There are typical movements, positions the motoric system is familiar with and such falls into a pattern, reproduces a lick or a chord. But then again, why would the fingers want to execute a complex musical trip? ** i think there are times when hand memory takes over - - and i'm not always sure that it's a good thing. to me, it can mean that the instrument - -or my preconceptions on the instrument - - are playing me/the music, and not the other way around. Similarly, when driving the car automatically: The leg knows how to use the clutch and the arms how to take a curve, but what knows the way to go and how to react when pedestrians approach? The mind would never be able to control all those situations! ** synergistic, no? same with playing at certain times. To bring it back to T: The most fascinating about looping for me is the possibility to grab this influence and instantly throw it back on us and make us realize it, react to it ** yeah, or use it (primary theme) as a new secondary theme later. right! But why not keep some tonality or rhythm (some language that a public can deal with) and let the form grow freely? Thats what I hardly heard so far. Could you give an example of such music? ** why not do both? at the same time/at different times. that's often what happens in improvs that i've been involved with - - and sometimes neitehr happens. The song form is important if you want the public to learn your song or if you want to simplify the work of the musicians that execute your composition, but I doubt that it is necessary to bring the message through. ** it is if the message is the song ;-) I suffer from my position because so far all interested producers gave up on me when they understood that I am not teaching my music to the public: "you need to establish your melody that sticks in peoples minds if you want to make success". Why? If they like every concert although (or: because) they are all different, isnt that enough to make them come back an buy CDs? Will they go home sad because I did not reproduce the piece they liked on the CD? Maybe... ** well that's about the comercial interest . . . thats a way I would like to learn (and get a Repeater for :-) When I try it with the EDPs NextLoop feature, I usually get shocked how little "appropriate" the old loop is and loose track... I hope that will become more fluent with several tracks that we can bring in slowly. ** i do it in a pretty low-tech way (two line6 dl4s and an eh 16-second delay). Yes, I guess so... the boarder get more and more loose. Once you bring in several old loops, you may as well call it a free composition, maybe? ** or a variation on some themes . . . i guess it comes down to context. if you're by yourself, it might work. i feel that it might be a little harder to organically introduce loops from previous days in a group session. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C146D9.6F57D800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: memory and improvisation

Sometimes I listen to old recordings and suddenly = some theme sounds
familiar and in a few cases I managed to track the = other version and
they were really similar, though years apart.

** this is where you have a melodic style, no? most = composers or improvisers tend to have a sensibility that is = "theirs."

In other sessions its as if a theme or style = dominates the night and
keeps turning back in several ways. Some partners = then complain and
want to "get rid of it", but I dont care. =

** i once did a improv session with a guy who didn't = want me to do a thematic exploration for even one piece. i did anyway . = . . when he listened back to a tape of the seesion, it was his = favorite piece of the whole day.

In a reggae or blues
concert there is not much variation either,

** or, often, jazz!


But its very different from "wanting to = remember": The mind works
(apparently) as a monitor and compares results = rather than feeding
the music.

* yeah, i guess. i think that "remembering" = a theme from earlier in an improv and reusing it later in the same = improv (with intent) is a good thing.  "remembering" = something where it means that you don't have any other licks is a bad = thing. but then, again, my way into doing improv often deals with  = a *compositional" situation/intent.


Somehow it feels like the fingers know what they want = to do. Must be
true to some degree: There are typical movements, = positions the
motoric system is familiar with and such falls into = a pattern,
reproduces a lick or a chord. But then again, why = would the fingers
want to execute a complex musical trip?

** i think there are times when hand memory takes = over - - and i'm not always sure that it's a good thing. to me, it can = mean that the instrument - -or my preconceptions on the instrument - - = are playing me/the music, and not the other way around.


Similarly, when driving the car automatically: The = leg knows how to
use the clutch and the arms how to take a curve, but = what knows the
way to go and how to react when pedestrians = approach? The mind would
never be able to control all those = situations!

** synergistic, no? same with playing at certain = times.


To bring it back to T: The most fascinating about = looping for me is
the possibility to grab this influence and instantly = throw it back on
us and make us realize it, react to it

** yeah, or use it (primary theme) as a new secondary = theme later.



right! But why not keep some tonality or rhythm (some = language that a
public can deal with) and let the form grow freely? = Thats what I
hardly heard so far. Could you give an example of = such music?

** why not do both? at the same time/at different = times. that's often what happens in improvs that i've been involved = with - - and sometimes neitehr happens.


The song form is important if you want the public to = learn your song
or if you want to simplify the work of the musicians = that execute
your composition, but I doubt that it is necessary = to bring the
message through.

** it is if the message is the song ;-)

I suffer from my position because so far all = interested producers
gave up on me when they understood that I am not = teaching my music to
the public: "you need to establish your melody = that sticks in peoples
minds if you want to make success". Why? If = they like every concert
although (or: because) they are all different, isnt = that enough to
make them come back an buy CDs? Will they go home = sad because I did
not reproduce the piece they liked on the CD? = Maybe...

** well that's about the comercial interest . . . =

thats a way I would like to learn (and get a Repeater = for :-)
When I try it with the EDPs NextLoop feature, I = usually get shocked
how little "appropriate" the old loop is = and loose track...
I hope that will become more fluent with several = tracks that we can
bring in slowly.

** i do it in a pretty low-tech way (two line6 dl4s = and an eh 16-second delay).


Yes, I guess so... the boarder get more and more = loose. Once you
bring in several old loops, you may as well call it = a free
composition, maybe?

** or a variation on some themes . . . i guess it = comes down to context. if you're by yourself, it might work. i feel = that it might be a little harder to organically introduce loops from = previous days in a group session.

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C146D9.6F57D800-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 26 18:42:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22816; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 18:40:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 18:40:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 17:39:39 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: memory and improvisation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <012101c146dc$208e9850$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074160@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > But its very different from "wanting to remember": The mind works > (apparently) as a monitor and compares results rather than feeding > the music. > I often loose track if mind makes such observations, because it > immediately wants to interfere, but (in my case) its not able to > reconstruct what happened before. > i heard of a theory of memory where it acts like a pack of ten dogs. you send the dogs out looking for the ball and they run out into the woods, here and there, until one happily comes running back with it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 26 18:54:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23646; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 18:52:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 18:52:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D007417F@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "Looper's Delight (E-mail)" Subject: RE: RE: memory and improvisation Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 18:39:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C146DC.1CF481A0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C146DC.1CF481A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" some free improv guys are actually annoyed when you toss in a loop at them, especially if it has some (yak) rhythmic content.... ** isn't that lame??? what's free about it if there are all these prohibitions? But admittedly the most basic and easy to operate loopers work best in that kind of a situation, especially those old pitch shifted loops. ** guess that's why i use those things! nice to have you back andreas. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C146DC.1CF481A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: RE: memory and improvisation

some free improv guys are actually annoyed when you toss in a loop at them,
especially if it has some (yak) rhythmic content....

** isn't that lame??? what's free about it if there are all these prohibitions?


But admittedly the most basic and easy to operate loopers work best in that kind of a
situation, especially those old pitch shifted loops.

** guess that's why i use those things!

nice to have you back andreas.


stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C146DC.1CF481A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 26 22:38:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03929; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 22:35:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 22:35:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BB29282.162D@Hevanet.Com.> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 19:44:18 -0700 From: DaViD AuKeR X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: New Thread: Classical Music Influences on Us References: <200109261748.NAA04770@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd best jump in before this is "Old Thread" :-) I am primarily a classical pianist, getting my daily 1-? hours of practicing music written by others, and THEN do some looping (ooh-la-la). (Having a foot in both worlds gives me an excuse for mediocrity?) I'm pretty mainstream, loving Gershwin (Songs arranged by composer), Poulenc (Nocturnes), Debussy (Suite Bergamasque). From the latter (a set of four pieces), I have just started Passepied, with it's left hand staccato arpeggios going steadily for two pages. The Prelude and Minuet, from same, are fairly wild and joyous, and it's hard to imagine them in conjunction with Clair De Lune's mostly peaceful complexion. Gershwin had 88 fingers, and Poulenc's humorous & warm simple melodies wander to eccentric heights... Music of such detailed sculpture that I'm constantly discovering overlooked nuances in pieces I've played for years. David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 02:03:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA15885; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 02:01:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 02:01:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c14719$75ce66a0$70bc28d5@a123456789> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: Subject: Re: What machine can do this please? Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 06:58:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Try a laptop running audiomulch. Just download AM from Audiomulch.com and see if you like it - I do! In fact I did a gig with it last night - forgot to announce it though. There was an intersting band there too, "The sealed knot" anyone know them ? THey're based in London and Berlin. Very experimental using a harp, 1/2 a drumkit, a cello and many toys. Gareth > I want to record on site (not in a studio) for a half hour period and be > able to loop at various intervals what is happening and build this up into a > montage and shape it continuously. I would like to change the level of any > loop and add effects (not so imperative). Also I would like to be able to > replace or delete any loop on the fly and slide it around perhaps and > perhaps even change the length of it. I don't need a half hour of memory of > course just the ability to keep shaping the audio material continuously. > > The loops should be able to be of different lengths and not necessarily all > nested within one loop. I am very used to hard disk recording but don't > think I can get any program I know to change tracks and go in and out of > record without stopping. > What is the machine I need please? Or is there one? > > Thanks > > Bruce > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 03:00:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA18077; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 02:58:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 02:58:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c14721$991ea5e0$0200a8c0@wienerdog> Reply-To: "Funkay" From: "Funkay" To: References: <000d01c14719$75ce66a0$70bc28d5@a123456789> Subject: Re: What machine can do this please? Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 23:56:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How do you configure AM to do this? Its so complex Its making me crazy trying to figure it out. > Try a laptop running audiomulch. > Just download AM from Audiomulch.com and see if you like it - I do! > In fact I did a gig with it last night - forgot to announce it though. There > was an intersting band there too, > "The sealed knot" anyone know them ? THey're based in London and Berlin. > Very experimental using a harp, 1/2 a drumkit, a cello and many toys. > > > Gareth > > > > I want to record on site (not in a studio) for a half hour period and be > > able to loop at various intervals what is happening and build this up into > a > > montage and shape it continuously. I would like to change the level of any > > loop and add effects (not so imperative). Also I would like to be able to > > replace or delete any loop on the fly and slide it around perhaps and > > perhaps even change the length of it. I don't need a half hour of memory > of > > course just the ability to keep shaping the audio material continuously. > > > > The loops should be able to be of different lengths and not necessarily > all > > nested within one loop. I am very used to hard disk recording but don't > > think I can get any program I know to change tracks and go in and out of > > record without stopping. > > What is the machine I need please? Or is there one? > > > > Thanks > > > > Bruce > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 03:17:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA19809; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 03:15:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 03:15:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <1e.1bdacaf2.28e42bce@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 03:14:22 EDT Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #570 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Matthias > >My biggest wish for the new loop4 software is (apart from the crazy stuff) > >to > >be able to Multiply without having to overdub, if only in delay mode. > > You are not the first one to want this. I never really understood > what for, but... Well, I'd like to create a loop that repeats a simple figure a number of times, but then has an Insert of something different. AAAAAABAAAAAABAAAAAAB etc. ...but I want to be able to 'solo' while the simple figure is being multiplied. I can make the loop how I want it, but only by keeping quiet while the multiply happens. ( Someone suggested that I use delay mode and muted the loop input, but that would get in the way of recording the different section with Insert) I could also use Multiply ended with record to mess with the loop while simultaneously playing over it. > There is no space for an aditional function. Well how about changing the Delay mode so that if you Multiply while in the Overdub mode (which is now freezing the loop) you don't record an overdub. That would seem intuitive. > I guess you would not be happy to have to change a parameter to get > it either, would you? Why not? > I want to go on overdubbing and so terminating Multiply with Overdub > is common for me. > Yes , me too > I could imagine to have the Overdub function "only static": Instead > of terminating other functions, it could simply switch the input. > No, anything but that. well I'm sure there's more than enough in the new software to keep me happy anyway, but it doesn't hurt to dream. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 03:17:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA19808; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 03:15:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 03:15:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <7c.1c24ef92.28e42bcf@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 03:14:23 EDT Subject: Re: Totally off topic (Chrysalis) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <2zBAvB.A.w0E.wHts7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Spider Balbour, Wasn't he featured on Zappa's 'Lumpy Gravy' (and 'Civilisation p3') From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 03:33:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA20497; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 03:32:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 03:32:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.115.114] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: funkay@mindless.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What machine can do this please? Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 02:30:49 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Sep 2001 07:30:49.0497 (UTC) FILETIME=[547E3090:01C14726] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok, here's what I would use... go with the laptop, but use Sonic Foundry ACID 3.0 Pro. Use the record function to record the "snippets of sound" you want, then let them play. The only "problem is with the recording, and playback. Acid allows this (recording and playback simultaneously, but you must make sure that the soundcard on the laptop is Full Duplex (that might be moot... but you know that the laptop has to be a relativity "newer" one, at least 266-450 mhz, for this to really work)). - *hey I remembered to nest my parentheses ***** I know what you mean by AudioMulch. I have tried to use that app for a while, but it vexes me at every turn !!!! Now Acid allows you to loop things in different tempo, sizes and "scales", you should have a LOT of fun with it. If you have any more ACID questions, post them... I will try to assist you as best as I can. Now when it comes to a actual "machine", there is a lot to take into account. 1. What sample grade you want ? 2. How much you want to spend ? 3. What do you mean you want to record 1/2 hour of samples ? Does that mean you want to record 1/2 hour then chop up the sample into intricate loops ? Or does it mean you want the "performance" to last 1/2 hour ? - That was not clear. Now there are a few portable loopers out there, like the Boss (Roland) SP303, with a 64 meg smartmedia card, that you can use..... It has an built in internal mic, which will make it easy to use, and it lessens the amount of gear you will carry. You can also save your loops to Smartmedia, and upload them to your PC for addition production work. Lucien E. Darthard A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It. http://go.to/ldarthard/ ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Funkay" Reply-To: "Funkay" To: Subject: Re: What machine can do this please? Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 23:56:56 -0700 How do you configure AM to do this? Its so complex Its making me crazy trying to figure it out. > Try a laptop running audiomulch. > Just download AM from Audiomulch.com and see if you like it - I do! > In fact I did a gig with it last night - forgot to announce it though. There > was an interesting band there too, > "The sealed knot" anyone know them ? THey're based in London and Berlin. > Very experimental using a harp, 1/2 a drumkit, a cello and many toys. > > > Gareth > > > > I want to record on site (not in a studio) for a half hour period and be > > able to loop at various intervals what is happening and build this up into > a > > montage and shape it continuously. I would like to change the level of any > > loop and add effects (not so imperative). Also I would like to be able to > > replace or delete any loop on the fly and slide it around perhaps and > > perhaps even change the length of it. I don't need a half hour of memory > of > > course just the ability to keep shaping the audio material continuously. > > > > The loops should be able to be of different lengths and not necessarily > all > > nested within one loop. I am very used to hard disk recording but don't > > think I can get any program I know to change tracks and go in and out of > > record without stopping. > > What is the machine I need please? Or is there one? > > > > Thanks > > > > Bruce > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 04:02:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA22552; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 04:01:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 04:01:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010927003721.02590560@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 00:58:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #570 In-Reply-To: <1e.1bdacaf2.28e42bce@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andy- I think delay mode on the echoplex will do what you want. Delay mode is almost exactly like loop mode with a few minor distinctions. One of them is that the expression pedal input on the back controls input volume to the loop instead of feedback like it normally does. (the front panel feedback knob still does feedback. Using the foot volume control into a delay line is actually pretty useful itself, but that is a different story.) Insert and Multiply still work the same in delay mode as they do in loop mode. So what you could do is, use a pedal in the expression jack. Whenever you want to do your multiply without any audio added, put the echoplex into delay mode. (you can switch it on the fly while loops are going, if you need to.) Then just turn the loop input volume down and do your multiply or insert. Then turn it back up again whenever you want to add stuff to the loop. This even gives you the flexibility to decide any time, even in the middle of a multiply, when you want to be adding audio or not, while playing continuously. so as you are doing the multiply or insert, you could be grabbing snippets of whatever you happened to be playing at the time and throw it into the loop, using the foot control. hope this helps, kim At 12:14 AM 9/27/2001, SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: >Hi Matthias > > >My biggest wish for the new loop4 software is (apart from the crazy > stuff) > > >to > > >be able to Multiply without having to overdub, if only in delay mode. > > > > You are not the first one to want this. I never really understood > > what for, but... >Well, I'd like to create a loop that repeats a simple figure a number of >times, but then has an Insert of something different. AAAAAABAAAAAABAAAAAAB >etc. >...but I want to be able to 'solo' while the simple figure is being >multiplied. >I can make the loop how I want it, but only by keeping quiet while the >multiply happens. ( Someone suggested that I use delay mode and muted the >loop input, but that would get in the way of recording the different section >with Insert) > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 05:13:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA25839; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 05:12:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 05:12:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005301c14734$b51c8060$4063f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: , "Goddess" References: <200109261748.NAA04770@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: World Music Influences: A self indulgent prelude to my Faves Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 02:13:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <8l9JID.A.UTG.a1us7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Rick Walker here. This, like a lot of my posts was written very late at night and is a tad long winded. If you are in a hurry, I suggest that you move on. If not, I'd love to know your thoughts. I've been associated with the "World Beat" movement for over twenty years. I hate that fucking term, personally, but there is no doubt that a lot of the self conscious fusing (sometimes in incredibly naive and misguided ways) of different world music musical styles (mostly pop and , ergo, already imbued with a western sensibility) with American popular musical styles has had a really large impact on popular music in the world. I remember in 1982 I started making a series of 90 minute compilation cassettes (remember that media?) called World Pop. The first one I made took me two years to complete and had mostly Reggae influenced pop music with a small smattering of West African pop influenced tunes as well. Mind you, I was really interested in pop music at the time and was fully devoted to a very creative New Wave band that had some modest success in Northern California (please forgive me, all those who hate New Wave :-). Any way by 1985 I had to make three 90 minute compilations, encompassing African music, Celtic music, Indian Music, Asian music, Middleeastern music and Caribbean musical influences. I quit making the compilations in 1986 because from that time on, almost every other modern pop release had some kind of ethnic influence in at least a song or two (let alone records like Paul Simon or Peter Gabriel which were entirely imbued with them)and it was taking too much of my time away from writing for California's first 'World Beat' band, Tao RHYTHMICAL. By this time, movie soundtracks, t.v. commercials and other commercial media had a huge influx of 'global' influences. Samplers were really starting to make themselves felt which only hastened the 'it's a small world after all mentality' of modern popular music. Anyway, long story, slightly longer............this movement, the so-called "world beat movement" failed as a commercially viable venture and the major recording labels did what they always do in their bulk and bloated profit orientation: they signed way to many bands far too soon...........they went bust because they weren't very strong artistically and the companies got gun shy of the whole thing. Did anybody really think that there were 25 great Grunge bands in Seattle? That's how many bands the majors signed hoping for another Nirvana. It is fascinating to me. This process repeats itself constantly. The record companies rushed into sign every trip hop and drum and bass group they could. There weren't very many good ones so they dropped everything like a hot potato. But have you checked out any television commercial or movie score lately? Trip Hop,Techno and Drum & Bass are having a HUGE influence on what the whole world is listening to, sonically. Anyway, there's no point to this story except, perhaps a quote I heard from somebody (please let me know if you know who because I've forgotten): They said, "Artists are like the antennae of a culture: they pick up changes in the culture long before they are felt by the majority of the population". I don't know about you all, but I'm starting to hear looping EVERYWHERE!!! Most of it is really cheesy, but the best of it, like all music is fantastic. Let's keep keeping on Loopers: We may be at the crest of an artistic wave. Then, again, we may just be a side track to the mainline of popular culture. Either way, it's cool to be with you all on the journey. yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) P.S. Next installment: a few of my favorite unusual World music records From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 05:48:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA27035; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 05:42:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 05:42:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006301c14735$8fc55e80$66effea9@oemcomputer> From: "Bruce Comens" To: References: <200109261748.NAA04770@hemlock.violacea.com> <005301c14734$b51c8060$4063f93f@dnlsh01> Subject: Re: World Music Influences: A self indulgent prelude to my Faves Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 05:19:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Anyway, there's no point to this story except, perhaps a quote I heard from > somebody (please let me know if you know who because I've forgotten): > > They said, "Artists are like the antennae of a culture: they pick up > changes in the culture long before they are felt by the majority of the > population". Shelley: poets are the unackowledged legislators of the world. Pound: poets are the antennae of the race. so i think the quote above must be someone "explaining" pound. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 10:32:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10683; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 10:29:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 10:29:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c1475f$fbb394c0$7fa14ed8@gnv.bellsouth.net> From: "shreeswifty" To: References: <7c.1c24ef92.28e42bcf@aol.com> Subject: Re: Totally off topic (Chrysalis) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 10:23:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i thouht it was Barbour i shall check for you Pat Pagano, Director South East Just Intonation Society http://www.screwmusicforever.com/SHREESWIFT/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 3:14 AM Subject: Re: Totally off topic (Chrysalis) > Spider Balbour, > Wasn't he featured on Zappa's 'Lumpy Gravy' > (and 'Civilisation p3') > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 11:05:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13040; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 11:04:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 11:04:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #570 Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 08:04:43 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010927003721.02590560@loopers-delight.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This was what I suggested before--I am currently using the PMC-10 with two pedal controllers so I can control feedback and volume thru MIDI, and I still have the FV-70 pedal I ordered when I purchased the Echoplex, so I could use it in delay mode and still have control over loop volume. What other differences are there in delay mode (besides the overdub button having the opposite function)? Gary (looking hard at the PC1600x) Kim explained: I think delay mode on the echoplex will do what you want. Delay mode is almost exactly like loop mode with a few minor distinctions. One of them is that the expression pedal input on the back controls input volume to the loop instead of feedback like it normally does. (the front panel feedback knob still does feedback. Using the foot volume control into a delay line is actually pretty useful itself, but that is a different story.) Insert and Multiply still work the same in delay mode as they do in loop mode. So what you could do is, use a pedal in the expression jack. Whenever you want to do your multiply without any audio added, put the echoplex into delay mode. (you can switch it on the fly while loops are going, if you need to.) Then just turn the loop input volume down and do your multiply or insert. Then turn it back up again whenever you want to add stuff to the loop. This even gives you the flexibility to decide any time, even in the middle of a multiply, when you want to be adding audio or not, while playing continuously. so as you are doing the multiply or insert, you could be grabbing snippets of whatever you happened to be playing at the time and throw it into the loop, using the foot control. To Andy's request: > > >My biggest wish for the new loop4 software is (apart from the crazy > stuff) > > >to > > >be able to Multiply without having to overdub, if only in delay mode. > > > > You are not the first one to want this. I never really understood > > what for, but... >Well, I'd like to create a loop that repeats a simple figure a number of >times, but then has an Insert of something different. AAAAAABAAAAAABAAAAAAB >etc. >...but I want to be able to 'solo' while the simple figure is being >multiplied. >I can make the loop how I want it, but only by keeping quiet while the >multiply happens. ( Someone suggested that I use delay mode and muted the >loop input, but that would get in the way of recording the different section >with Insert) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 11:59:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16754; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 11:58:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 11:58:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 08:50:24 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Totally off topic (Chrysalis) In-reply-to: <7c.1c24ef92.28e42bcf@aol.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <7c.1c24ef92.28e42bcf@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:14 AM -0400 9/27/01, SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: >Spider Balbour, >Wasn't he featured on Zappa's 'Lumpy Gravy' >(and 'Civilisation p3') Chrysalis was recording at the same studio as Zappa, and Barbour dropped by and added his voice to the project. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 13:01:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21634; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 13:00:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 13:00:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010927093738.025b7960@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 09:56:16 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: echoplex delay mode In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010927003721.02590560@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:04 AM 9/27/2001, Gary Lehmann wrote: >This was what I suggested before--I am currently using the PMC-10 with two >pedal controllers so I can control feedback and volume thru MIDI, and I >still have the FV-70 pedal I ordered when I purchased the Echoplex, so I >could use it in delay mode and still have control over loop volume. What >other differences are there in delay mode (besides the overdub button having >the opposite function)? >Gary (looking hard at the PC1600x) Other than the Overdub button becoming a "hold" button and the pedal controlling input level to the loop, the only other difference with delay mode on the EDP is when you mute the loop. In Loop mode, when it is in mute the input to the loop is also cut off, so anything you are playing while the loop is muted will not be added to the loop even if overdub is on. In delay mode, the input to the delay is open when it is in mute, so new material is added into the loop even though the output is muted. This can be interesting when you leave a loop in mute for a while and play, then eventually unmute it to hear what has been captured in the loop. We set it this way at the request of a jazz flute player named Tim Weisberg. He wanted to be able to improvise a solo freely with the delay output muted and feedback at 0, so the delay always held some amount of his solo trailing behind him. Then when he happened to play something he thought might be interesting to play a counterpart to, he could just unmute it and have the previous phrase repeat while he played along. Then he could go back to mute and continue his solo. If he wanted that phrase to continue repeating more than once, he could just press "hold" (overdub) to come out of mute. The trailing portion would then instantly be repeating as long as he liked. In this way you can basically decide you want something as a loop *after* you play it, rather than before! Of course the limitation is the delay time is fixed to whatever you had it set to beforehand. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 13:40:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23032; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 13:33:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 13:33:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <104.9de4e2a.28e4bcbd@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 13:32:45 EDT Subject: Re: New Thread: "Classical" Music In To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com All this talk of string quartets and noone's mentioned the Schostakovich. Probably as good as the Bartok in their own way, there's 15 of them, some of them major works. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 13:48:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23606; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 13:47:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 13:47:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: New Thread: "Classical" Music In Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 13:48:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not that big a fan of Shostakovich, other than the humanitarian side of his story. Composing under a comunist regime. Stalin wanted him dead, but his 5th symphony was so well received that it basically saved his life, etc. This opinion is only based on what I've heard: some Piano music and symphonic works. Is there anything special about the String Quartets? There was a question yesterday about people using electronics with Classical instrumentation. The Kronos Quartet have a couple of CDs where they delve into that area: Night Prayers features eastern european composers w/ some electronics; Short Stories has a piece by Elliot Sharp. -----Original Message----- From: SoundFNR@aol.com [mailto:SoundFNR@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 1:33 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Thread: "Classical" Music In All this talk of string quartets and noone's mentioned the Schostakovich. Probably as good as the Bartok in their own way, there's 15 of them, some of them major works. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 13:49:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23661; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 13:48:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 13:48:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New Bjork Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 13:50:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm listening to the new Bjork album right now. The production is really well done. Zena Parkins (experimental Harp) is all over this disc. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 13:51:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23861; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 13:49:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 13:49:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074188@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: New Thread: "Classical" Music In Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 13:44:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1477C.174E78A0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. 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All this talk of string quartets and noone's mentioned the Schostakovich.
Probably as good as the Bartok in their own way, there's 15 of them, some of
them major works.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1477C.174E78A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 15:03:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28797; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:00:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:00:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 14:59:39 EDT Subject: Re: Kim on EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Andy- > I think delay mode on the echoplex will do what you want. > Insert and Multiply still work the same in delay mode as they do in loop > mode. So what you could do is, use a pedal in the expression jack. Whenever > you want to do your multiply without any audio added, put the echoplex into > delay mode. (you can switch it on the fly while loops are going, if you > need to.) Then just turn the loop input volume down and do your multiply or > insert. Then turn it back up again whenever you want to add stuff to the > loop. > > hope this helps, > kim Thanks for that Kim, but doesn't this mean I'd have to hit Insert and move that pedal simultaneously in order to go directly into Insert. Also I'd been avoiding adding yet another pedal to my set up! I'm also thinking about changing my MIDI controller to one that doesn't have the latency, which would allow me control the volume and Insert in one press. Well guess I'd better hook that pedal up then. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 15:26:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29553; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:18:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:18:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [205.155.8.16] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looping is everywhere Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 19:17:30 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Sep 2001 19:17:30.0907 (UTC) FILETIME=[0DB3E6B0:01C14789] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Om and In......Papa Dave I am hearing looping everywhere!!! Recently back from Burning Man and looping was alive and well on the Playa at Black rock City. I did a set in the Cafe and heard several loopers doing their thing. I guy played cello and added and looped to his parts becoming an orchestra. Another guy had a guitar with 3 necks and he was looping as well from each guitar neck. I think we as loopers are on the verge of breaking out. I show people all the time what I am up to and inspire others to try it out. I am performing with the Mystic Family Circus at the Maritime Hall in S.F. on Sat. the 29th of Sept. I have a vest that I velcroved a Boss RC 20 on the inside. I use a DD5 delay before the RC20 and another delay after it. I run it all through a micro-mixer and into 2 mini marshall speakers attached to my hips. Using a mic and I have everything running on batteries so I'm free to roam. I get quite a cool reaction from people wondering how the heck I am able to make these sounds. I wear a beautiful black sparkling robe with a hood over all the gear and engage the crowd with poems and jokes songs and inspirational stuff. I play flute and shakers, drum, horns, and vocals, a battery operated tambora, and sound effects all running through the mic and the RC20 and delays and am having a ball tripping out all who cross my path. I am also playing at the Earth Dance Festival in Santa Rosa on Oct.13th and 14th at an Indian Reservation. I'll have an extensive looping rig using guitar synth, many loopers and I'll be collaborating with several different people and groups as well as solo. I am very inspired to share the "looping experience" with all who are interested. I'm so busy I haven't even got the Repeater out of the box yet. Loop on my friends, papadave papadave55@hotmail.com p.s. Simran, sorry I missed you at Burning Man. At least we got to meet. I came by but didn't see anything happening. Next Year!!! >I don't know about you all, but I'm starting to hear looping EVERYWHERE!!! >Most of it is really cheesy, but the best of it, like all music is >fantastic. > >Let's keep keeping on Loopers: We may be at the crest of an artistic wave. >Then, again, we may just be a side track to the mainline of popular >culture. >Either way, it's cool to be with you all on the journey. > >yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) > >P.S. Next installment: a few of my favorite unusual World music records > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 15:50:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30721; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:47:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:47:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010927122750.04553e20@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 12:44:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Kim on EDP In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <1ZTue.A.SfH.NI4s7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:59 AM 9/27/2001, SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > > Andy- > > I think delay mode on the echoplex will do what you want. > > Insert and Multiply still work the same in delay mode as they do in loop > > mode. So what you could do is, use a pedal in the expression jack. >Whenever > > you want to do your multiply without any audio added, put the echoplex >into > > delay mode. (you can switch it on the fly while loops are going, if you > > need to.) Then just turn the loop input volume down and do your multiply >or > > insert. Then turn it back up again whenever you want to add stuff to the > > loop. > > > > hope this helps, > > kim >Thanks for that Kim, but doesn't this mean I'd have to hit Insert and move >that pedal simultaneously in order to go directly into Insert. no, it doesn't have to be simultaneous. The pedal control on the loop input volume is independent of what function is running. So I would think you could easily turn the volume down just before you do this insert. Or you could use Quantize, so the Insert doesn't start until the next cycle boundary. Then you could press insert well in advance and then turn the loop input volume down before it starts. also, since this loop input level control is always available you can actively control it while you are doing the insert or multiply, so you can continue playing and decide as you go what gets added to the loop or not. >Also I'd been >avoiding adding yet another pedal to my set up! in this case, it would be the same pedal you would have to control feedback in Loop mode. For me that is something I want to have available all the time anyway, so a dedicated pedal for that seems worth it. >I'm also thinking about changing my MIDI controller to one that doesn't have >the latency, which would allow me control the volume and Insert in one press. One thing to note, this loop input level control that is available in delay mode is actually an analog volume control. (necessary to have smooth volume swells that we wanted in this mode, with no zippering noise that you usually get with midi volume controls.) Unfortunately that means this particular loop input level is not midi controllable. Feedback and loop output volume are midi controllable. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 16:47:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01730; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 16:46:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 16:46:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BB39D4C.A0AA3A73@cabq.gov> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 14:42:36 -0700 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Thread: "Classical" Music In References: <104.9de4e2a.28e4bcbd@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My Grandfather, a 1920's Harvard educated doctor (and somewhat of a curmudgen), always accused Schostakovich of sounding like an "E-Flat Chamber Pot". Always made me chuckle we he said that. I like to use the insult myself, every once in awhile. -jas Albuquerque SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > All this talk of string quartets and noone's mentioned the Schostakovich. > Probably as good as the Bartok in their own way, there's 15 of them, some of > them major works. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 16:58:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02296; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 16:56:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 16:56:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Looping is everywhere Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 13:56:53 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- Om and In......Papa Dave I run it all through a micro-mixer and into 2 mini marshall speakers attached to my hips. Check out the MiniVox by Anchor audio--much better fidelity and not that heavy--those mini-Marshalls use 9 volts, whereas the MiniVox uses 9 C cells which are easier to recharge (save a whale) Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 17:18:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04379; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 17:16:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 17:16:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.116.163] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: KSangree@home.com Subject: RE: What machine can do this please? Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 16:15:17 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Sep 2001 21:15:17.0647 (UTC) FILETIME=[81CED9F0:01C14799] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, this is an easy one. But you will have to decide first the true duration of the performance. What you will have to do is when you have the first loop set up, play it in "loop" mode, whereas the loop will play continuously with out end, then start recording. But you must end recording before the loop loops back, or you will had recorded over your first recorded loop. (Basically erasing it with the overdub). Now I had mentioned that you must figure out the duration of your performance, by this I mean if your first loop is say 20 seconds, if you "play looped" that 20 seconds, it will play continuously, but you will be confined within that "area of time" to your performance. You could have 10 loops recorded, and they will all play, but it would sound like that a, b,c, d will all play together. what if you wanted to give the performance some definition, by having say Loop A stop playing, then have Loop B, C, D play. If they all played together, it might sound like the Tower of Babel. By extending the Loop Play area you can give your performance a "wider" area to work in. If that sounds too difficult, you can play with the Solo, and Mute buttons to manipulate what's being played interactively also. Lucien E. Darthard A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It. Cell Phone 1-773-578-3504 http://go.to/ldarthard/ ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Karl Sangree" To: Subject: RE: What machine can do this please? Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 07:45:35 -0400 Dj, Is there a way to get ACID to continue looping after you end a recording. I get my first track looping, but at the end of a second track, ACID stops looping when I hit the "Stop Record" button. I have to quickly hit play to get ACID to start looping again. Any suggestions? Karl "We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams" Willy Wonka >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Dj Devious D [mailto:dj_devious_d@hotmail.com] >>go with the laptop, but use Sonic Foundry ACID 3.0 Pro. Use the record >>function to record the "snippets of sound" you want, then let >>them play. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 17:24:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04461; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 17:17:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 17:17:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D007418A@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: New Thread: "Classical" Music In Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:13:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C14788.7C54EF70" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14788.7C54EF70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm not that big a fan of Shostakovich, other than the humanitarian side of his story. Composing under a comunist regime. Stalin wanted him dead, but his 5th symphony was so well received that it basically saved his life, etc. This opinion is only based on what I've heard: some Piano music and symphonic works. Is there anything special about the String Quartets? ** hey, yeah i'm not huge on most of shostakovich's music. for me, the symphonic music i've heard isn't to my taste, the quartets are pretty great. my theory is that the symphonic stuff (and other music for larger forces) had to be more in line with the official desires, as it's more "public" - - the quartets are (possibly) more "private" music (and possibly more indicative of his "real" artistry?) prokofiev also had problems under stalin - - ironic that he and stalin died on the same day. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14788.7C54EF70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: New Thread: "Classical" Music In

I'm not that big a fan of Shostakovich, other than = the humanitarian side of
his story. Composing under a comunist regime. Stalin = wanted him dead, but
his 5th symphony was so well received that it = basically saved his life, etc.

This opinion is only based on what I've heard: some = Piano music and
symphonic works. Is there anything special about the = String Quartets?



** hey, yeah i'm not huge on most of shostakovich's = music. for me, the symphonic music i've heard isn't to my taste, the = quartets are pretty great.

my theory is that the symphonic stuff (and other = music for larger forces) had to be more in line with the official = desires, as it's more "public" - - the quartets are = (possibly) more "private" music (and possibly more indicative = of his "real" artistry?)

prokofiev also had problems under stalin - - ironic = that he and stalin died on the same day.

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C14788.7C54EF70-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 17:59:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07381; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 17:58:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 17:58:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <012101c146dc$208e9850$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074160@mitorexch01.maritz.com> <012101c146dc$208e9850$080210ac@jpalmer> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 18:57:26 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: memory and improvisation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > >> But its very different from "wanting to remember": The mind works >> (apparently) as a monitor and compares results rather than feeding >> the music. >> I often loose track if mind makes such observations, because it >> immediately wants to interfere, but (in my case) its not able to >> reconstruct what happened before. >> > >i heard of a theory of memory where it acts like a pack of ten dogs. >you send the dogs out looking for the ball and they run out into >the woods, here and there, until one happily comes running back with it. I keep reading this and dont get the point... is it about the other 9 dogs? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 20:54:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17474; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 20:53:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 20:53:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.75.136.87] From: "Roger Morrison" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT (was RE: Looping is everywhere) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 17:51:49 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Sep 2001 00:51:49.0479 (UTC) FILETIME=[C18B1770:01C147B7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's also a 9-volt, but the Fender mini-twin also has much better fidelity than the mini-Marshall (I could never even hear the difference between my pickups with the Marshall ministack, but the mini-twin puts out much more of the original tone). Roger Morrison >From: "Gary Lehmann" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: RE: Looping is everywhere >Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 13:56:53 -0700 > >-----Original Message----- > >Om and In......Papa Dave > > >I run it all through a micro-mixer and into 2 mini marshall speakers >attached to my hips. > > >Check out the MiniVox by Anchor audio--much better fidelity and not that >heavy--those mini-Marshalls use 9 volts, whereas the MiniVox uses 9 C cells >which are easier to recharge (save a whale) >Gary > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 20:58:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17848; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 20:57:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 20:57:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 17:58:22 -0700 Subject: Re: memory and improvisation From: Allan Hoeltje To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 9/27/01 2:57 PM, Matthias Grob at matthias@grob.org wrote: >> >> i heard of a theory of memory where it acts like a pack of ten dogs. >> you send the dogs out looking for the ball and they run out into >> the woods, here and there, until one happily comes running back with it. > > I keep reading this and dont get the point... is it about the other 9 dogs? It may be a joke - at least I thought it was funny. After the age of 50 you start running short of dogs. "Memory is the history of forgetting" I read that some place recently. :-) -Allan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 21:13:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19463; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 21:12:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 21:12:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: memory and improvisation Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 18:06:15 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not meaning to go OT, but just saw Memento on DVD, with the director interview. He said, in essence the film is an inquiry into memory, how it functions. The protaganist has lost short term memory, but we all have imperfect memory. It always is selective memory and we create our lives and art colored by all we remember and have forgotten. Just wanted to write this down before I forget :-) Neil Goldstein Portland, Oregon > -----Original Message----- > From: Allan Hoeltje [mailto:ahoeltje@best.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 5:58 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: memory and improvisation > > > on 9/27/01 2:57 PM, Matthias Grob at matthias@grob.org wrote: > > >> > >> i heard of a theory of memory where it acts like a pack of ten dogs. > >> you send the dogs out looking for the ball and they run out into > >> the woods, here and there, until one happily comes running > back with it. > > > > I keep reading this and dont get the point... is it about the > other 9 dogs? > > It may be a joke - at least I thought it was funny. After the > age of 50 you > start running short of dogs. "Memory is the history of > forgetting" I read > that some place recently. > > :-) > > -Allan > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 21:37:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20592; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 21:36:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 21:36:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010927204003.00a42a70@mail.gamutstudio.com> X-Sender: jon%gamutstudio.com@mail.gamutstudio.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 20:43:13 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jon Southwood Subject: RE: New Thread: "Classical" Music In In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <6CmpfB.A.HBF.3P9s7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com While I'm not a huge fan of Shostakovich, either, his 2nd Symphony is a must listen for anyone into soundmass pieces (e.g. Penderecki's Threni, etc.). It's quite remarkable. This came _before_ the political problems began stifling him. Cheers, Jon Southwood At 01:48 PM 9/27/01 -0400, you wrote: >I'm not that big a fan of Shostakovich, other than the humanitarian side of >his story. Composing under a comunist regime. Stalin wanted him dead, but >his 5th symphony was so well received that it basically saved his life, etc. > >This opinion is only based on what I've heard: some Piano music and >symphonic works. Is there anything special about the String Quartets? > >There was a question yesterday about people using electronics with Classical >instrumentation. The Kronos Quartet have a couple of CDs where they delve >into that area: Night Prayers features eastern european composers w/ some >electronics; Short Stories has a piece by Elliot Sharp. > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: SoundFNR@aol.com [mailto:SoundFNR@aol.com] >Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 1:33 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: New Thread: "Classical" Music In > > >All this talk of string quartets and noone's mentioned the Schostakovich. >Probably as good as the Bartok in their own way, there's 15 of them, some of > >them major works. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 22:13:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23094; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 22:11:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 22:11:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 21:10:44 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: memory and improvisation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00ed01c147c2$c7cea240$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074160@mitorexch01.maritz.com> <012101c146dc$208e9850$080210ac@jpalmer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I keep reading this and dont get the point... is it about the other 9 dogs? > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > that's just because i can't explain anything... i just thought it was an interesting and humorous view of how memory works. the ball is the thing you want to remember and the dogs are the subconscious part of your memory system. the woods are your foggy memory. i am reminded of this everytime i am trying to remember someones name. sometimes i think it's the dog's yapping that keeps me from finding it myself... there they are standing and waiting for me to remember and all i come up with is "arfff-arff" someday i'll probably say it out loud... .... > >i heard of a theory of memory where it acts like a pack of ten dogs. > >you send the dogs out looking for the ball and they run out into > >the woods, here and there, until one happily comes running back with it. > > -- > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 22:17:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23331; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 22:15:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 22:15:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 21:15:22 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: memory and improvisation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00f301c147c3$6dc275a0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > ... > After the age of 50 you > start running short of dogs. > ... > -Allan > lol. maybe you can rate how hard something is to remember by how many dogs it took. "that's a twenty-dogger, there" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 23:27:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27018; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 23:25:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 23:25:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 20:24:57 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: memory and improvisation In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074160@mitorexch01.maritz.com> <012101c146dc$208e9850$080210ac@jpalmer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:39 PM -0500 9/26/01, jim palmer wrote: >i heard of a theory of memory where it acts like a pack of ten dogs. >you send the dogs out looking for the ball and they run out into >the woods, here and there, until one happily comes running back with it. At 6:57 PM -0300 9/27/01, Matthias Grob wrote: >I keep reading this and dont get the point... is it about the other 9 dogs? At 5:58 PM -0700 9/27/01, Allan Hoeltje wrote: >It may be a joke - at least I thought it was funny. After the age of 50 you >start running short of dogs. I hope someone can identify the source. It sounds like Marvin Minsky to me, but I can't find such a reference in his "Society of Mind." My understanding of this metaphor is that the retrieval of memories is a distributed task. A number of semiautonomous mechanisms (dogs) are activated at once, but not all of them succeed in retrieving the desired information. This certainly seems like what my brain might be doing when I'm groping for stored information. I frequently put my brain on "dredge" when I can't think of something (such as someone's name) immediately. Most of the time it pops to the surface later on, after I've stopped consciously trying. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 23:38:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27508; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 23:36:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 23:36:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 20:37:27 -0700 Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #570 From: Mark Sottilaro To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1e.1bdacaf2.28e42bce@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I believe the Repeater behaves this way. Maybe you're just not a one looper kind of guy. Mark > Well, I'd like to create a loop that repeats a simple figure a number of > times, but then has an Insert of something different. AAAAAABAAAAAABAAAAAAB > etc. > ...but I want to be able to 'solo' while the simple figure is being > multiplied. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 23:39:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27637; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 23:38:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 23:38:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: giuseppe_poteet@worldnet.att.net User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 20:31:41 -0700 Subject: Re: OT (was RE: Looping is everywhere) To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 9/27/01 5:51 PM, Roger Morrison at rminsd@hotmail.com wrote: I find the 2 speaker Marshall (ms4?) tends to give a somewhat less overdriven sound than the minitwin-- the Marshall handles bass way better for shore. > It's also a 9-volt, but the Fender mini-twin also has much better fidelity > than the mini-Marshall (I could never even hear the difference between my > pickups with the Marshall ministack, but the mini-twin puts out much more of > the original tone). > > Roger Morrison > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 02:26:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA04431; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 02:24:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 02:24:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.116.163] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: KSangree@home.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: What machine can do this please? Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 01:22:58 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Sep 2001 06:22:59.0104 (UTC) FILETIME=[04C34200:01C147E6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No prob, but did my suggestion work ? I did not know that you were using ACID Express, my suggestion was tested using ACID Pro 3.0 (build 248). I am not sure of the capabilities of ACID Express, so all that might have just been a moot point. I re-downloaded the AudioMulch app, and I will play with it again. The newest version looks a little bit more intuitive than the version I worked with about a year ago, as for AudioMulch's functionality ; I'd rather use my ReBirth app. Lucien E. Darthard A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It. http://go.to/ldarthard/ ----Original Message Follows---- Lucien, Thanks for your reply. I sort of gave up on ACID Express due to the fact that no matter what I try, I have to hit the play button to restart an already running loop after I end a recording track. It records fine, and continues to play my first loop after I start recording the second, but as soon as I end the second recording, no matter what the position in the loop, the whole thing stops, and I have to quickly hit Play to get it looping again. It may be a shortcoming in ACID Express. I DLed a copy of AudioMulch. I have had a lot of fun playing with it and will most likely purchase it if I can figure out how to record with it. It looks like it might be a very cool piece of software to use live (if I can figure out how to record!) Thanks again for your reply. Peace, Karl "We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams" Willy Wonka >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Dj Devious D [mailto:dj_devious_d@hotmail.com] >>Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 5:15 PM >>To: KSangree@home.com >>Subject: RE: What machine can do this please? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 02:35:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA05135; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 02:33:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 02:33:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c147e7$3121ca00$7abf28d5@a123456789> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: "Funkay" , References: <000d01c14719$75ce66a0$70bc28d5@a123456789> <000a01c14721$991ea5e0$0200a8c0@wienerdog> Subject: Re: What machine can do this please? Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 18:53:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You haven't tried Kyma obviously : ) OK tell me EXACTLY what you want to do and I'll write a file for you - how's that for generosity ? AM allows you to sample sy tuff, change its speed, direction, pitch shift, truncate, filter and generally mash sound up on the fly. You need some form of controller capable of outputting MIDI information. I use a Zoom 8080 which has 2 pedals and 5 switches I'm also getting into using the computer keys to control AM too. There's been plenty of discussion here on the relative merits of various devices but you could start with any midi synthesizer you can lay your hands on, mess about with assigning pitch bend + mod wheels to things and move on from there. Gareth > How do you configure AM to do this? Its so complex Its making me crazy > trying to figure it out. > > > > > Try a laptop running audiomulch. > > Just download AM from Audiomulch.com and see if you like it - I do! > > In fact I did a gig with it last night - forgot to announce it though. > There > > was an intersting band there too, > > "The sealed knot" anyone know them ? THey're based in London and Berlin. > > Very experimental using a harp, 1/2 a drumkit, a cello and many toys. > > > > > > Gareth > > > > > > > I want to record on site (not in a studio) for a half hour period and be > > > able to loop at various intervals what is happening and build this up > into > > a > > > montage and shape it continuously. I would like to change the level of > any > > > loop and add effects (not so imperative). Also I would like to be able > to > > > replace or delete any loop on the fly and slide it around perhaps and > > > perhaps even change the length of it. I don't need a half hour of memory > > of > > > course just the ability to keep shaping the audio material continuously. > > > > > > The loops should be able to be of different lengths and not necessarily > > all > > > nested within one loop. I am very used to hard disk recording but don't > > > think I can get any program I know to change tracks and go in and out of > > > record without stopping. > > > What is the machine I need please? Or is there one? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Bruce > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 08:23:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA23865; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 08:22:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 08:22:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 08:20:51 EDT Subject: Re: Kim on EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <1y6EpD.A.m0F.UtGt7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Kim (from andy) andy: > >Thanks for that Kim, but doesn't this mean I'd have to hit Insert and move > >that pedal simultaneously in order to go directly into Insert. > kim: > no, it doesn't have to be simultaneous. The pedal control on the loop input > volume is independent of what function is running. So I would think you > could easily turn the volume down just before you do this insert. Or you > could use Quantize, so the Insert doesn't start until the next cycle > boundary. Then you could press insert well in advance and then turn the > loop input volume down before it starts. Ok, it's possible, :- stop noodling; push on pedal; hit Insert. I haven't found a use for Quantise yet, as I don't use a dum machine. ................I mean drum machine > > also, since this loop input level control is always available you can > actively control it while you are doing the insert or multiply, so you can > continue playing and decide as you go what gets added to the loop or not. > in this case, it would be the same pedal you would have to control feedback > in Loop mode. For me that is something I want to have available all the > time anyway, so a dedicated pedal for that seems worth it. > Yes of course, another lead, another pedal, and by next week I won't know how I did without it. > One thing to note, this loop input level control that is available in delay > mode is actually an analog volume control. (necessary to have smooth volume > swells that we wanted in this mode, with no zippering noise that you > usually get with midi volume controls.) Unfortunately that means this > particular loop input level is not midi controllable. Feedback and loop > output volume are midi controllable. > Isn't the feedback setup different in Delay Mode too? In Loop Mode the feedback changes at the loop end. In Delay it can be used to fade out just a bit of the loop! Do I get an "Undocumented-Feature-Credit" for that? Can I pester Matthias for a MIDI controlled input mute to conpensate? andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 08:23:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA23866; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 08:22:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 08:22:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <108.61fc9e9.28e5c521@aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 08:20:49 EDT Subject: RE: New Thread: "Classical" Music In To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I'm not that big a fan of Shostakovich, other than the humanitarian side > This opinion is only based on what I've heard: some Piano music and > symphonic works. Is there anything special about the String Quartets? Some reports have it that the string quartets represent DSCH's personal musc, while the Symphonies are his public output. (as is often considered the case for sting quartets by any number of composers). The String quartets are indeed a bit special. Why not check them out andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 08:52:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA24954; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 08:51:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 08:51:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Karl Sangree" To: Subject: Computer Based Looping Software (was RE: What machine can do this please?) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 08:53:16 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-reply-to: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lucien, What is ReBirth? I assume it is computer based looping software similar to AudioMulch. Is there a demo version, and where can I get it. Karl "We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams" Willy Wonka >>From: Dj Devious D [mailto:dj_devious_d@hotmail.com] >>I worked >>with about a year ago, as for AudioMulch's functionality ; I'd >>rather use my >>ReBirth app. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 09:27:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27404; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 09:24:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 09:24:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: New Thread: "Classical" Music In Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 09:25:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <29lhh.A.tpG.-mHt7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Will do -----Original Message----- From: SoundFNR@aol.com [mailto:SoundFNR@aol.com] Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 8:21 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: New Thread: "Classical" Music In > I'm not that big a fan of Shostakovich, other than the humanitarian side > This opinion is only based on what I've heard: some Piano music and > symphonic works. Is there anything special about the String Quartets? Some reports have it that the string quartets represent DSCH's personal musc, while the Symphonies are his public output. (as is often considered the case for sting quartets by any number of composers). The String quartets are indeed a bit special. Why not check them out andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 09:30:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27621; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 09:29:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 09:29:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Computer Based Looping Software (was RE: What machine can do this please?) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 09:31:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <9Axs_B.A.VvG.ksHt7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ReBirth is a program from Propellerheads (www.propellerheads.de) that accurately emulates a TR-808 and TR-909. You can create sequences on it and also sync it to your sequencer. The coolest feature is that it allows you to create Mods where you can insert your own sounds and sequence with those instead of the Roland sounds. There are probably hundreds of Mods that are available for free download. I prefer Fruityloops (and not because Cakewalk distributes it). I used to use Rebirth heavily, but I found that Fruityloops has a more flexible interface. -----Original Message----- From: Karl Sangree [mailto:KSangree@home.com] Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 8:53 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Computer Based Looping Software (was RE: What machine can do this please?) Lucien, What is ReBirth? I assume it is computer based looping software similar to AudioMulch. Is there a demo version, and where can I get it. Karl "We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams" Willy Wonka >>From: Dj Devious D [mailto:dj_devious_d@hotmail.com] >>I worked >>with about a year ago, as for AudioMulch's functionality ; I'd >>rather use my >>ReBirth app. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 09:47:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA28336; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 09:45:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 09:45:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 08:45:11 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Tim Reynolds on Craig Kilborn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001101c14823$cba77890$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anyone in the u.s. catch this last night? i don't know who he is but tim reynolds did a very nipple looping performance on kilborn. just acoustic guitar and some kind of looping hardware. i don't think it was just delays, because i thought i heard him readjust the loop time and rerecord his original loop. it was on the floor, and he was messing with the playback speed, so that limits it to a few devices... it seemed to be mostly improvised as well... i thought that it was very adventerous. for network television, anyway. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 10:03:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30056; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 10:01:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 10:01:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000001c14826$767dd640$1b86893e@simes> From: "Simon Kean" To: References: <001101c14823$cba77890$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: Tim Reynolds on Craig Kilborn Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 14:55:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim palmer" > anyone in the u.s. catch this last night? > i don't know who he is but tim reynolds did > a very nipple looping performance on kilborn. > just acoustic guitar and some kind of looping hardware. > i don't think it was just delays, because i thought i heard him > readjust the loop time and rerecord his original loop. > it was on the floor, and he was messing with the playback speed, > so that limits it to a few devices... Tim Reynolds is a great guitar player. Sometime member of the Dave Matthews Band, amongst other things and some great solo work which you witnessed. His electric stuff is just as good. Simon --------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://mp3.com/ulcerate www.ulcerate.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 10:06:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30288; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 10:05:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 10:05:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Apparently-From: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 09:03:46 -0500 Subject: Re: Tim Reynolds on Craig Kilborn From: Mike Feeney To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" , jim palmer Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001101c14823$cba77890$080210ac@jpalmer> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6fSDdC.A.7XH.7MIt7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim Reynolds is pretty amazing, even though he's mostly well known in the mainstream world for his acoustic sideman role to Dave Matthews. But his solo stuff is pretty cool, one of the few artists that I've stumbled across that did looping without looking specifically for loopers. I'm not sure what he uses, equipment-wise though. But aside from his looping, his technical skill (and speed!) on the acoustic guitar is fairly mind-boggling. I heard a particularly nice live rendition of Peter Gabriel's "Mercy Street" that I loved. It was instrumental, acoustic. Mike on 9/28/01 8.45 AM, jim palmer at jimp@pobox.com said somethin' like: > anyone in the u.s. catch this last night? > i don't know who he is but tim reynolds did > a very nipple looping performance on kilborn. > just acoustic guitar and some kind of looping hardware. > i don't think it was just delays, because i thought i heard him > readjust the loop time and rerecord his original loop. > it was on the floor, and he was messing with the playback speed, > so that limits it to a few devices... > > it seemed to be mostly improvised as well... > i thought that it was very adventerous. > for network television, anyway. > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 10:46:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31853; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 10:44:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 10:44:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010928144420.43577.qmail@web12001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 07:44:20 -0700 (PDT) From: philip raath Subject: Classical Music influences thread To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200109261748.NAA04770@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > anyone know of any experimenatl > electro-acoustic/loop > oriented music/musicians in which the principle > instruments are classical, > violins, violas etc, that they would recommend? jami sieber, definitely. cellist, uses a tremendous amount of processing. amazing textures and rythms played out on the cello. 1st album was lush mechanique. i forget what the 2nd one was. echoes.org probably has plenty of info. take care, phil ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 10:47:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31906; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 10:45:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 10:45:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <055101c1482b$70ca1510$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074160@mitorexch01.maritz.com> <012101c146dc$208e9850$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: memory and improvisation Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 09:39:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > My understanding of this metaphor is that the retrieval of memories > is a distributed task. A number of semiautonomous mechanisms (dogs) > are activated at once, but not all of them succeed in retrieving the > desired information. This certainly seems like what my brain might be > doing when I'm groping for stored information. I frequently put my > brain on "dredge" when I can't think of something (such as someone's > name) immediately. Most of the time it pops to the surface later on, > after I've stopped consciously trying. Yes, sometimes my "dogs" return after many days. Sometimes, they return when I least expect them, like during lunch or a meeting. Kind of gives new interpretation to well-known phrases: "This ... has gone to the dogs!" "send out the dogs!" "...puttin' on the dog." "can't teach an old dog new tricks." "barking up the wrong tree" "a wolf at the door" Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 11:09:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01414; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 11:07:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 11:07:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010928110256.007ec2a0@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 11:02:56 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Classical Music influences thread In-Reply-To: <20010928144420.43577.qmail@web12001.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200109261748.NAA04770@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:44 AM 9/28/01 -0700, you wrote: >> anyone know of any experimenatl >> electro-acoustic/loop >> oriented music/musicians in which the principle >> instruments are classical, >> violins, violas etc, that they would recommend? > You should definitely check out Martha Mooke. She plays viola through a JamMan and a Digitech RDS-somethingorother... -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 11:29:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02199; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 11:27:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 11:27:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 08:25:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: OT (was RE: Looping is everywhere) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >It's also a 9-volt, but the Fender mini-twin also has much better >fidelity than the mini-Marshall (I could never even hear the >difference between my pickups with the Marshall ministack, but the >mini-twin puts out much more of the original tone). > >Roger Morrison the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. :) rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 11:38:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02607; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 11:36:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 11:36:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 08:37:25 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.388) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v388) In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Computer Based Looping Software (was RE: What machine can do this please?) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010928153606.ZSAO11797.femail25.sdc1.sfba.home.com@localhost> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I totally agree. Rebirth is kind of cool, but I feel it leans too heavily on the Roland Drum Machine interface, maybe a good interface for hardware, but Rebirth isn't hardware. I've never used Fruity loops though, I tend to make my sequences using Cakewalk's Metro, or my Ensonic TS10's on board sequencer. If you're looking for a Rebirth type if useability/sound why not go to the source and buy a Roland MC-303, 307 or 505? Mark Mark Sottilaro On Friday, September 28, 2001, at 06:31 AM, CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com wrote: > ReBirth is a program from Propellerheads (www.propellerheads.de) that > accurately emulates a TR-808 and TR-909. You can create sequences on it > and > also sync it to your sequencer. The coolest feature is that it allows > you > to create Mods where you can insert your own sounds and sequence with > those > instead of the Roland sounds. There are probably hundreds of Mods that > are > available for free download. > > I prefer Fruityloops (and not because Cakewalk distributes it). I used > to > use Rebirth heavily, but I found that Fruityloops has a more flexible > interface. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Karl Sangree [mailto:KSangree@home.com] > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 8:53 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Computer Based Looping Software (was RE: What machine can do > this please?) > > > Lucien, > > What is ReBirth? I assume it is computer based looping software > similar to > AudioMulch. Is there a demo version, and where can I get it. > > Karl > > "We are the music makers, and > we are the dreamers of dreams" > Willy Wonka > > >>> From: Dj Devious D [mailto:dj_devious_d@hotmail.com] > >>> I worked >>> with about a year ago, as for AudioMulch's functionality ; I'd >>> rather use my >>> ReBirth app. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 12:25:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05453; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 12:24:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 12:24:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010928091827.02626ec8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 09:20:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #570 In-Reply-To: References: <1e.1bdacaf2.28e42bce@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, the Repeater doesn't even have an Insert function at all! so no, it definitely doesn't behave this way. kim At 08:37 PM 9/27/2001, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >I believe the Repeater behaves this way. Maybe you're just not a one looper >kind of guy. > >Mark > > > > Well, I'd like to create a loop that repeats a simple figure a number of > > times, but then has an Insert of something different. AAAAAABAAAAAABAAAAAAB > > etc. > > ...but I want to be able to 'solo' while the simple figure is being > > multiplied. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 12:48:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06452; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 12:47:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 12:47:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Hunter" Importance: Normal Subject: Live365 Looper Station To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Message-ID: Sender: "Michael Hunter" Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 12:42:30 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D01ML235/01/M/IBM(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 09/28/2001 12:44:50 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wans't there some talk about an Internet Radio Station on http://www.live365 for looping music...someone here mentioned starting one... Well, I have looked and can find nothing so far... ...Is my memory faulty? Mike Hunter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 12:54:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06756; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 12:53:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 12:53:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 09:49:15 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Tim Reynolds on Craig Kilborn In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, jim palmer Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:03 AM -0500 9/28/01, Mike Feeney wrote: >Tim Reynolds is pretty amazing...I'm not sure what he uses, >equipment-wise though. http://www.timreynolds.com/guitar_set-up/acoustic/ -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 12:58:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07037; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 12:56:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 12:56:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 12:55:49 EDT Subject: Re: Computer Based Looping Software + PHILLY GIG SPAM_ALERT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 104 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Perhaps u might wanna ck out REASON as it is sorta like rebirth (made by the same people, propellerhead) but with tons more sounds, better samples (IMHO) and decent MIDI integration as well as a quasi programmable synth engine tone (bass tones and more ) which goes from analog to FM sounding without any of the programming-editor hassles you may think of as being associated with FM tone generation in the past. You can use pre-set looped beats or make your own wicked stuff up ( plus you have a really wide parameter of control over each drum tone u choose to use). But REASON lets us get odd timed beats or 4/4 on the floor stuff all with a wide variety of drum kits and special f/x samples which are all tied together by an included SW mixer with aux sends ( reverb and Delay ) which is making REASON the main component of any dance floor or more electronic and beat and or synth tone generated material we are doing at present. You can also have a groove box and quickly exploit its potential but we think you will get way more flexibility in terms of what you can do beyond using preset patterns and it all integrates within REASON very well and more so than what you get with standalone gear with a minimal learning curve. BUt Check out some of the tones we have found using REASON at our mp3.com page: http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/206/akashmusiccom.html ( shameless plugging perhaps, but we make our own beats and came up with the following results using REASON) See specifically these songs: Interacial Sauna Amniotic Submission Daydream Dream Patterns A Melancholy Fluid Just Like a M.F. A good Date We also still use fruity loops too. but we find REASON gets the job done faster ( not necessarily better say in terms of quality, but its a faster working process with what we get from reason and the reults are tweakable in so many ways without having to switch between 2 or 3 apps at once and we get the benefit of having a wider selection of tones). But also ck out these Tunes that were done using Fruity Loops: In the name of Passion Flowers The premise of a sitting stool ropeburn This jealous dragon's daydream Welcome back home glory holes forever AKASH used to Use Rebirth but we found it a just little too narrow to say all we need to say. But ck out the song "Kali's Theme" & hopefully it says all it needs to say as it was done using rebirth :) NOW FOR THE GIG SPAM: AKASH @ BTS SEP. 29th ALL NITE LONG (9-30pm-3am) Attention all you dirty lil' space freaks out there... AKASH is now the House band for BTS ( Behind The Scenes www.phillyfetish.com-see website for location and details on admittance-meberships-entry, etc: call, 215 438 1946) Join us as AKASH renders a beautiful noise which fills the natural sound of the dungeon as we celebrate a micheievous and switachable Perspective of Surrender, Ambient Texture & Display a "Romantic Exhibitonism" like no other. This time "Loralai" takes on the role of a school girl who has misbehaved while studying in her bedroom with her friend "Iris Senseless". Their kinky Dom, "Master Ray", discovers our two heroines engaged in an "oral" debate without his permission. Loralai and Iris Senseless are subsequently subjected to a wicked and delicious punishment fit for only the naughtiest lil' submissives and taken with the greatest amounts of enthusiasm imaginable. *Also this performance marks the return of original AKASH Drummer Chuck D. ( not the guy from P.E. but the legendary Philly drummer from SUGARSMACK DADDY to Phil-Delphonic Jams) So if you are in the area and or perhaps into or curious about the BDSM lifestyle, this Saturday nite promises to be a not to miss affair. Warm Regards, John Price/AKASH "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" www.akashmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 13:26:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09230; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:23:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:23:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.102.107] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Computer Based Looping Software + PHILLY GIG SPAM_ALERT Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 12:22:55 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Sep 2001 17:22:56.0296 (UTC) FILETIME=[36874280:01C14842] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am a Reason user also, but according to the original request, I surmised that Reason would not have been a "good" choice for the project. The original request, was for the ability to record "live" loops, and inter-weave them interactivity. Reason is cool, if you have a preset composition in mind, but recording a "live" and "on the fly" loop one after the other, is not a "true" function of Reason. I only suggested Rebirth, for "extra" loop creation, outside the project. Lucien E. Darthard A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It. http://go.to/ldarthard/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 13:31:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09554; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:30:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:30:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.102.107] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Computer Based Looping Software (was RE: What machine can do this please?) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 12:29:05 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Sep 2001 17:29:05.0548 (UTC) FILETIME=[129EA4C0:01C14843] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yea ReBirth is a PropellerHead's app. It's just like AudioMulch, but it is a little more intuitive to use, for it is set up like the old TR 303 synth, plus it has 808 sounds (for you Deep House Fans). It's not a good app to record live loops with, it's only good for creating original loops (if you grow tired of the Sonic Foundry Loop Libraries). This app creates .rbs files, but you can download an app that will convert your ReBirth Files to .mid. I have it on one of my PC's, it's a free download... somewhere. But I digress. Lucien E. Darthard A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It. Cell Phone 1-773-578-3504 http://go.to/ldarthard/ ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Karl Sangree" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Subject: Computer Based Looping Software (was RE: What machine can do this please?) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 08:53:16 -0400 Lucien, What is ReBirth? I assume it is computer based looping software similar to AudioMulch. Is there a demo version, and where can I get it. Karl "We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams" Willy Wonka >>From: Dj Devious D [mailto:dj_devious_d@hotmail.com] >>I worked >>with about a year ago, as for AudioMulch's functionality ; I'd >>rather use my >>ReBirth app. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 13:33:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09247; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:24:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:24:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 10:23:47 -0700 Subject: Re: Classical Music influences thread From: Allan Hoeltje To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20010928144420.43577.qmail@web12001.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7gr9dD.A.LPC.vHLt7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jami Sieber is one of my favorate loopers - almost to the point of wanting to give up playing the Stick and take up cello. She will be putting out a CD sometime soon that features the Thai Elephant Orchestra. Check her out at: http://www.jamisieber.com/ -Allan on 9/28/01 7:44 AM, philip raath at philraath@YAHOO.COM wrote: > jami sieber, definitely. cellist, uses a tremendous > amount of processing. amazing textures and rythms > played out on the cello. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 13:35:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09852; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:33:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:33:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 10:24:58 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Live365 Looper Station In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:42 PM -0400 9/28/01, Michael Hunter wrote: >Wans't there some talk about an Internet Radio Station on >http://www.live365 for looping music...someone here mentioned starting one... > >Well, I have looked and can find nothing so far... > >...Is my memory faulty? In April 2001 I signed up on Live365 and initiated a Basic broadcast account under the name "loopersdelight." I wasn't interested in maintaining the station myself, so I informed this list of its availability and offered advice on getting the station set up. Six list members expressed interest, but none of them actually followed up on activating the station. It now appears that the days of free Basic Broadcast on Live365 are behind us. Although the loopersdelight account still exists, the broadcast service seems to have lapsed for lack of activity. It will now cost $14.95 to set up a Basic account, plus $4.95/month to operate it. If anyone is interested in taking this on, contact me and I'll give you the password. P.S. There is a Looper's Delight page on mp3.com, set up by Matthew McCabe : http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/64/loopers_delight.html -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 13:49:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10639; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:48:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:48:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.102.107] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Computer Based Looping Software (was RE: What machine can do this please?) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 12:47:06 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Sep 2001 17:47:06.0543 (UTC) FILETIME=[96F163F0:01C14845] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh my, a Cakewalk person......? What's the deal with Plasma !!!! I want the app (I own Sonar XL), but I am leary of buying Music Apps, sight unseen. (Case in point... I purchased MTV Music Creator, and that app SUCKED big time, plus it crashed my machine). I know the price is Sweet for Plasma... (I've seen it for $29.00, for registered Sonar users), but is it worth my buying it ? There is no demo, no good information (it's funny how you guys compared it to ACID Music.... that's like Comparing Cakewalk Pro 9, to PowerTracks Pro Audio 2.0... but I digress). I guess, I should get it... my ACID Pro 3.0, has sort of rendered my SONAR app... uhhhh almost obsolete. ( I do 20 remixes a week, for my ReMix show, and out of the 20... 18 are done in ACID, opposed to 1 or 2 being done in either FruityLoops 3.1.1 or Sonar XL). Oh, the best Beat/ReMix Combo... FruityLoops 3.1.1 and BeatSlicer (by Zero-X) Lucien E. Darthard A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It. http://go.to/ldarthard/ ----Original Message Follows---- From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Computer Based Looping Software (was RE: What machine can do this please?) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 09:31:15 -0400 ReBirth is a program from Propellerheads (www.propellerheads.de) that accurately emulates a TR-808 and TR-909. You can create sequences on it and also sync it to your sequencer. The coolest feature is that it allows you to create Mods where you can insert your own sounds and sequence with those instead of the Roland sounds. There are probably hundreds of Mods that are available for free download. I prefer Fruityloops (and not because Cakewalk distributes it). I used to use Rebirth heavily, but I found that Fruityloops has a more flexible interface. -----Original Message----- From: Karl Sangree [mailto:KSangree@home.com] Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 8:53 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Computer Based Looping Software (was RE: What machine can do this please?) Lucien, What is ReBirth? I assume it is computer based looping software similar to AudioMulch. Is there a demo version, and where can I get it. Karl "We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams" Willy Wonka >>From: Dj Devious D [mailto:dj_devious_d@hotmail.com] >>I worked >>with about a year ago, as for AudioMulch's functionality ; I'd >>rather use my >>ReBirth app. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 13:55:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11048; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:54:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:54:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <010c01c13f89$c71e3680$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <014f01c13a0d$cc3a1930$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <010c01c13f89$c71e3680$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 14:52:53 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP question/Kyma implementation. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I wonder how you treat all this in Kyma? > >Hmmm, we covered a lot of topics. I'll try to respond to each. > >1) I don't see any need to initially record in REVERSE. > >2) I've thought a great deal about pitch-shifting, tempo-shifting, and >pitch-tempo-shifting. Kyma already has several ways of doing this so, for >the time being, I'm using them. As a design theology, I'm trying to provide >only new features and capabilities. > >3) I'm trying to eliminate the need for an auto-undo. At least as I >understand the concept. I've got the undo working for overdubbing and >multiply. I guess you undo the last *action* as oposed to my idea of the last loop length of overdub. We discussed this and it certainly has its benefits, but to me (maybe due to how I play) the undo of the entire last overdub would be too much, since I often keep Overdub going and when I play wrong, I only want to eliminate as little as possible. Maybe you can do both? >I have not implemented INSERT yet, though I have a scheme that >should work. (I've been too busy writing "foundation code".) As you know, >a true INSERT requires that the looper device is always recording. Say that >a loop has been recorded into buffer A and it's being played back. As an >implementaion of INSERT: a) the looper is recording internally from buffer A >to buffer B. b) If INSERT has not occurred by the time playback ends, we >discard buffer B and replay buffer A. c) Upon receipt of the INSERT command >(during playback), the playback from buffer A instantly stops but recording >into buffer B continues with real-time audio. Upon release of INSERT mode, >playback from buffer A commences from where it left off, again recording >into buffer B. At the end of buffer A playback, we commence playback of >buffer B. The Insert in the EDP has no such buffering. You may call it a "false" Insert :-) As far as I understood, the difference is only in respect to StartPoint/CycleCounting, right? >Actually, I rather like the blinking of the EDP's UNDO LED! But then I >really like blinking lights. :) oh, I can make a special version for you where all the LEDs blink all the time :-) My taste is the oposit: I tried to avoid any blinking, especially if its not in the rhythm, since it atracts too much atention. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 13:55:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11049; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:54:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:54:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200109281753.f8SHrwh26229@chmls06.mediaone.net> Subject: Looping in Guitar Player (ego) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 01 13:52:46 -0400 x-sender: jdurant@pop.ne.mediaone.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: jdurant To: "Loopers-Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Gang- In the new (November cover) issue of Guitar Player magazine, the Studio Log section is on the recording of one of the pieces on my new CD. There's a fair bit about my rig and how I used looping on that particular piece. ("Behind Stone Walls" is the track. It's being played with some regularity on the syndicated radio show Echoes.) At some point, the Guitar Player website will also be updated and will include the article, plus an mp-3 file of the track. (A shortened version, as the full-length piece is about 10 minutes...) Jon Durant From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 14:00:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11418; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:58:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:58:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BB4BC92.272B@Hevanet.Com.> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 11:08:19 -0700 From: DaViD AuKeR X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: memory and improvisation References: <200109281406.KAA30369@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >i heard of a theory of memory where it acts like a pack of ten dogs. >you send the dogs out looking for the ball and they run out into >the woods, here and there, until one happily comes running back with it. ~Sometimes that ball is pretty slimy after being in the dog's mouth... David ------- "I remember (doot, doot) -.......there was a swimming pool..." =Frank Zappa From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 14:00:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12526; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:59:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:59:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 14:57:43 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: unknown "looping" device Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I can only agree. The trumpetplayer in our ambient-project is using >the D-Two, and it definitely qualifies as a live-looper. >Kim, why isn't it in the "Tools of the trade"-list? It may not be the reason, but for me there is a strange taste to the unit: In '88, when I discovered the basic functions for the later LOOP delay, I proposed t.c. to include them in the 2290 and spent a weekend with them, explaining the use of it. I thought it was an easy software upgrade for a great machine, but the main engineers (yes, his name was Kim, too) final reaction was: "Its not worth it for a few esotherics". So I had to build a machine from scratch. A while before they released the D-Two, I contacted him again, saying that it had become clear that there was a public for such a tool and proposing to include the function in newer t.c. units. There was no reply. So when the d-Two came out, I found it strange that they even made a dedicated delay, still disregarding the loopers needs totally. Fine that you can make something out of the D-Two, but imagine how much easy it would be for you and how simple for them to include some real Record function or a bit more... > >Best > >Jon Meinild > >http://www.jogujo.com > >>I recently bought a TC Electronic D-Two delay box. Having used it for 3 wks >>now, I have to say it is awesome. I think it qualifies as a looping device >>as it has 10 sec mono delay and excellent musical features, including a >>dynamic feature that works live a sidechain feature or ducker and "rhythmic >>tapping", which is a tap tempo feature with which you can create 10 "tap" >>patterns and then quantize. >> >>on both percussion and rhythm tracks, it is so easy and so much fun. >> >>a friend just bought a nanolooper cartridge for his b/w gameboy and with >>that, the D-two and an MPX1 we improvised some incredible beats. >> >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>Anthony Justman >>San Francisco California >>pantonio@pacbell.net >>www.greatgodpan.com > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 14:36:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14300; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 14:35:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 14:35:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:34:34 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Tim Reynolds in dallas To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <036401c1484c$38d6cc40$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com leave it to me to not even try the obvious... thanks. hey dallas loopers, i will be attending this show at trees on 11-03. anyone want to hook up? hopefully he won't get sick and cancel like squarepusher did.... > At 9:03 AM -0500 9/28/01, Mike Feeney wrote: > >Tim Reynolds is pretty amazing...I'm not sure what he uses, > >equipment-wise though. > > http://www.timreynolds.com/guitar_set-up/acoustic/ > > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 14:54:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15171; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 14:52:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 14:52:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 11:43:27 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: unknown "looping" device In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Your experience with Kim at TC sounds very familiar to me. I've had a few talks with him over the years and have made suggestions, but he always gets the same enigmatic little smile on his face and seems to withdraw. A few years ago a bought a TC2290 (it was Ed Simione's demo unit) and I started using Max to create external control software for it. I had a great deal of trouble getting MIDI information from TC, and in fact many inquiries went unanswered. I finally reverse-engineered most of it simply by pressing buttons on the unit and studying the MIDI output. Eventually I was able to control all parameters of the TC2290 through MIDI and this gave me sampling and looping capabilities that couldn't be achieved with either its foot controller or front panel. Once following either an NAMM show or AES convention I brought my Mac to Ed's office and showed my software to Ed and Kim. This time Kim got a slightly bigger but less enigmatic smile and asked Ed to give me a "D" chip. He clearly enjoyed that someone had been clever enough to extend the capabilities of his creation, but I expect he also enjoyed that it didn't require him to do anything. This reluctance to consider what looks to be "esoteric" functions is pretty common, I think. I've encountered it with a few manufacturers. They ironic thing is that on some occasions when I or a colleague has made a proposal that has been either rejected outright or ignored, several years later it will appear in one of the manufacturer's new models, or even more ironic, in one of their competitor's. At 2:57 PM -0300 9/28/01, Matthias Grob wrote: >In '88, when I discovered the basic functions for the later LOOP >delay, I proposed t.c. to include them in the 2290 and spent a >weekend with them, explaining the use of it. I thought it was an >easy software upgrade for a great machine, but the main engineers >(yes, his name was Kim, too) final reaction was: "Its not worth it >for a few esotherics". >So I had to build a machine from scratch. A while before they >released the D-Two, I contacted him again, saying that it had become >clear that there was a public for such a tool and proposing to >include the function in newer t.c. units. There was no reply. >So when the d-Two came out, I found it strange that they even made a >dedicated delay, still disregarding the loopers needs totally. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 15:15:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17236; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 15:13:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 15:13:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074160@mitorexch01.maritz.com> <012101c146dc$208e9850$080210ac@jpalmer> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 16:13:22 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: memory and improvisation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <2TyZ8D.A.RME.OvMt7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 5:39 PM -0500 9/26/01, jim palmer wrote: > >>i heard of a theory of memory where it acts like a pack of ten dogs. >>you send the dogs out looking for the ball and they run out into >>the woods, here and there, until one happily comes running back with it. Richard wrote: >My understanding of this metaphor is that the retrieval of memories >is a distributed task. A number of semiautonomous mechanisms (dogs) >are activated at once, but not all of them succeed in retrieving the >desired information. This certainly seems like what my brain might >be doing when I'm groping for stored information. I frequently put >my brain on "dredge" when I can't think of something (such as >someone's name) immediately. Most of the time it pops to the surface >later on, after I've stopped consciously trying. right: I was tought once that its important to forget about the question to get the answer. While we show the dogs what the smell of the thing is, they cannot search for it. We have to let the dogs run! Maybe looping technology helps to liberate the dogs... :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 15:27:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18386; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 15:25:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 15:25:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Computer Based Looping Software (was RE: What machine can do this please?) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 15:27:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh Devious One, Here's the deal on Plasma. The only reasons why you personally would want to buy Plasma (where you already have SONAR XL, ACID 3.0 and Fruityloops) is the Plasma FXPad plug-in and the Bonus CD of ACID-format loops. Plasma is essentially a scaled down version of SONAR (less hi-end features) with Dance/DJ loop content, Fruityloops Express, and one new Plug-in (the FXPAD) In my opinion, $29 bucks isn't too much money to pay for a cool plug-in. The Plasma FXPad is an automatable DirectX 8 effect. This will plug-in to SONAR or any other DirectX 8-compatible program. It has a variety of multieffect presets to choose from that have various combinations of reverb, chorus, flange, distortion, etc. You can control the effect in realtime by clicking in the window with your mouse (kind of like a Korg Kaoss Pad) or by moving a joystick. Every point along the X or y Axis corresponds to a different levels of parameters in the effects. So you can dynamically morph your sounds. You can also record your movements with the mouse or joystick as envelope data, so you can automate the effect and later edit the moves that you did. The FXPad also has an autocycle feature, you can set up a circle (or oval or line) in the effect window so the effect will automatically modulate between different points. You can set this modulation to occur at various time intervals between 1 to 32 times per measure. The Bonus CD of ACID-format loops has some overlap of the content that comes with SONAR XL, but there is a good amount of new loops from X-Mix and PowerFX. So that's the skinny on Plasma, if anyone has any other questions let me know. Now I have a question for you, what could we add to SONAR (or change in it) that would reverse the 18:2 remix ratio you mentioned in your email? Thanks, Carl -----Original Message----- From: Dj Devious D [mailto:dj_devious_d@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 1:47 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Computer Based Looping Software (was RE: What machine can do this please?) Oh my, a Cakewalk person......? What's the deal with Plasma !!!! I want the app (I own Sonar XL), but I am leary of buying Music Apps, sight unseen. (Case in point... I purchased MTV Music Creator, and that app SUCKED big time, plus it crashed my machine). I know the price is Sweet for Plasma... (I've seen it for $29.00, for registered Sonar users), but is it worth my buying it ? There is no demo, no good information (it's funny how you guys compared it to ACID Music.... that's like Comparing Cakewalk Pro 9, to PowerTracks Pro Audio 2.0... but I digress). I guess, I should get it... my ACID Pro 3.0, has sort of rendered my SONAR app... uhhhh almost obsolete. ( I do 20 remixes a week, for my ReMix show, and out of the 20... 18 are done in ACID, opposed to 1 or 2 being done in either FruityLoops 3.1.1 or Sonar XL). Oh, the best Beat/ReMix Combo... FruityLoops 3.1.1 and BeatSlicer (by Zero-X) Lucien E. Darthard A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It. http://go.to/ldarthard/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 16:12:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21986; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 16:10:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 16:10:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.75.136.87] From: "Roger Morrison" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Computer Based Looping Software (was RE: What machine can do this please?) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:09:25 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Sep 2001 20:09:25.0414 (UTC) FILETIME=[7881B460:01C14859] Resent-Message-ID: <0oKbK.A.sUF.UkNt7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Another kind soul lays his smiling head down on the chopping block... Does any other list get this kind of attention from manufacturers? As always, thank you, Kim, for setting this up and keeping it alive. Roger Morrison >From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: Computer Based Looping Software (was RE: What machine can do >this please?) >Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 15:27:04 -0400 > >Now I have a question for you, what could we add to SONAR (or change in it) >that would reverse the 18:2 remix ratio you mentioned in your email? > >Thanks, > >Carl > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 16:22:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23063; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 16:21:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 16:21:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:20:14 -0800 Subject: Re: memory and improvisation From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com maybe thats whats happening to my 'doggone'loops after i'm done w/ them. s on 9/28/01 11:13 AM, Matthias Grob at matthias@grob.org wrote: >> At 5:39 PM -0500 9/26/01, jim palmer wrote: >> >>> i heard of a theory of memory where it acts like a pack of ten dogs. >>> you send the dogs out looking for the ball and they run out into >>> the woods, here and there, until one happily comes running back with it. > > Richard wrote: > >> My understanding of this metaphor is that the retrieval of memories >> is a distributed task. A number of semiautonomous mechanisms (dogs) >> are activated at once, but not all of them succeed in retrieving the >> desired information. This certainly seems like what my brain might >> be doing when I'm groping for stored information. I frequently put >> my brain on "dredge" when I can't think of something (such as >> someone's name) immediately. Most of the time it pops to the surface >> later on, after I've stopped consciously trying. > > right: I was tought once that its important to forget about the > question to get the answer. While we show the dogs what the smell of > the thing is, they cannot search for it. We have to let the dogs run! > Maybe looping technology helps to liberate the dogs... :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 16:37:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24112; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 16:35:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 16:35:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Computer Based Looping Software (was RE: What machine can do this please?) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 16:20:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com |_|----- :)---[----[ Bring it on, :) We listen to our users here at Cakewalk and want to give you what you want. -----Original Message----- From: Roger Morrison [mailto:rminsd@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 4:09 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Computer Based Looping Software (was RE: What machine can do this please?) Another kind soul lays his smiling head down on the chopping block... Does any other list get this kind of attention from manufacturers? As always, thank you, Kim, for setting this up and keeping it alive. Roger Morrison >From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: Computer Based Looping Software (was RE: What machine can do >this please?) >Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 15:27:04 -0400 > >Now I have a question for you, what could we add to SONAR (or change in it) >that would reverse the 18:2 remix ratio you mentioned in your email? > >Thanks, > >Carl > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 17:29:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27885; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 17:28:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 17:28:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 18:27:38 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: unknown "looping" device Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Richard Z said about Kim Rishoy: >Your experience with Kim at TC sounds very familiar to me. I've had >a few talks with him over the years and have made suggestions, but >he always gets the same enigmatic little smile on his face and seems >to withdraw. '-) Right! A very nice and calm person to be with, I should have mentioned! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 20:33:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05296; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 20:29:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 20:29:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e501c1487d$644d8b80$6401a8c0@nc.rr.com> Reply-To: "diatom drone" From: "diatom drone" To: Subject: 9 V AC Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 20:26:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <0C7CMC.A.bSB.lWRt7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi folks. my friend upgraded his studio many levels and as such gave me some of his _old_ gear to play around with. specifically, an ART FXR Elite. the problem is i don't have the adapter for it (he didn't either). i'm used to 9V DC wall warts, but i don't know where to get an AC one. any tips? also, anyone just happen to know how many milliamps i should be looking for so i don't fry it right after it powers on that first time? thanks! also, i think someone mentioned Gator cases on this list, i picked up a 10 space roller rack and i'm happy with it, so, thanks random person who led me to this rack Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 29 00:03:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA16537; Sat, 29 Sep 2001 00:02:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 00:02:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010929040126.99045.qmail@web10003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 21:01:26 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: memory and improvisation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <055101c1482b$70ca1510$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com not to mention... "Three Dog Night" and "that dog won't hunt!" John --- Dennis Leas wrote: > > Kind of gives new interpretation to well-known > phrases: > "This ... has gone to the dogs!" > "send out the dogs!" > "...puttin' on the dog." > "can't teach an old dog new tricks." > "barking up the wrong tree" > "a wolf at the door" ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 29 00:14:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA16988; Sat, 29 Sep 2001 00:13:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 00:13:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <104.9ef8deb.28e6a435@aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 00:12:37 EDT Subject: Re: memory and improvisation (dog gone!) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_104.9ef8deb.28e6a435_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_104.9ef8deb.28e6a435_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the dyslexic (sp) agnostic insomniac who stays up all nite wondering about the existence of dog.....m --part1_104.9ef8deb.28e6a435_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the dyslexic (sp) agnostic insomniac who stays up all nite wondering about the existence of dog.....m --part1_104.9ef8deb.28e6a435_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 29 04:29:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA28894; Sat, 29 Sep 2001 04:27:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 04:27:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.116.205] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Computer Based Looping Software (was RE: What machine can do this please?) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 03:26:03 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Sep 2001 08:26:03.0524 (UTC) FILETIME=[60A21440:01C148C0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You wrote: “Now I have a question for you, what could we add to SONAR (or change in it) that would reverse the 18:2 remix ratio you mentioned in your email?” ________________________________________________________________________ ************************************************************************ ________________________________________________________________________ That is an intriguing question. Well, first maybe I should shed some light on what I do as a “remix” artist. As a ReMix Artist, my sole task is to take existing tunes, and render them more dance, Dj, or radio friendly. Sometimes a song does not have the correct 4/4 beat breaks, that make it mixable with other tunes. Sometimes the song is too long, and needs to be radio edited, or sometimes it just won’t work in a dance environment… that is when the remix Artist comes into play. Some may say that I am a glorified Dj, while others might deem me a God, but I am the one who enhances a songs potential. “Huh…?” you stutter. What’s that got to do with Sonar, ACID or anything? Well when it comes to enhancing a song, I sometimes become a musician. I create musical nuances to add to my tapestry of sound, that’s where looping and beat matching come into play. A lot of folks have read my raves on ACID, and what it can do, and a lot of that falls on deaf ears in this forum, for most of the folks Loop live with outboard hardware, whereas I sit in front of my PC, and Two Turntables. But, alas that will soon change… I will be heard, I will… oh I digress again. I must also admit that I bought my copy of SONAR XL off of EBay, with a Korg KAOSS Pad. (I got it from an ex-Dj type, who was getting married, and he was selling his gear. I got the ORIGINAL Sonar CD’s, and The Kaoss Pad in mint condition for $275.00 USD, which is a deal, since SONAR XL costs over $700.00 USD) So I was thrilled with my purchase. At the time, that was the combo, and in actuality I just wanted the KAOSS Pad. So Sonar sat around in my Software bin, for a week or so, until installed it, and wanted to do “Midi Magic”. Now, I have used Cakewalk, Metro and a bevy of “Music” creation software, and since I am not a Notes, and Keys guy, that stuff was always… useless to me. I have had my best luck with “step recording” based apps, which allow me to “feel” the melody, like in FruityLoops or Orion Pro. I find the SONAR interface to be, un-intuitive, and too pretentious. It’s great for folks, who have used Cakewalk since day one, but the “new” remix artist, needs something a bit more straight forward. Let me outline what I do, typically in my remix. 1. I identify the file – Sounds simple, but important. 2. I calculate the BPM and song key before hand – very important in Beat Mixing. 3. I slice the song up into parts, Chorus, Hook, Main Vocals, and instrumental breaks. 4. I then construct a pattern; a sort of 32 beats in 32 beats out so that the remix is uniform. 5. I take a small 4 beat pattern, and slice it up, so that it adds variety to the composition, I add additional samples, and “instrumentation” also. 6. I then reassemble these pieces, for the complete remix. Sonar does not always give me that flexibility. The few times I have used SONAR, was in a few cases where I wanted to add a midi sequence, and I wanted to remove an instrument that was in the sequence. ACID does not allow that, so SONAR was perfect… but my use of midi is a rare bird indeed. Syncing up loops with different tempos is a bear in SONAR. I truly do not know how to perform this function. Now ACID allows tempo changes on the fly, and key changes, but SONAR, seems to be a little stiff in that department. SONAR needs to be less clicky, and more drag and drop. I hate having to search through the menus for functions, and the functions are not always “labeled” appropriately. Now, I have been in forums, with folks who use ACID, SONAR and apps in that vein, and they seem to be polarized. ReMixers – Dj’s use ACID / Musicians use SONAR, and rarely do they meet. I guess you guys could come up with SONACID or ACIDAR, but would that matter? I learned a long time ago, one must cater to one’s audience. If SONAR is doing great business, with musicians buying it, what does it matter if a lone Dj/remix artist can’t really reap the rewards of the app? Cakewalk needs to “get that paper”. Lucien E. Darthard A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It. http://ldarthard.ohgo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 29 10:43:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14849; Sat, 29 Sep 2001 10:40:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 10:40:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005d01c14906$b1ff1400$a3739818@default> From: "Daniel" To: Subject: Zena Parkins Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 10:49:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005A_01C148D4.660429A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C148D4.660429A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable any info on her music and instruments? ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C148D4.660429A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
any info on her music and=20 instruments?
------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C148D4.660429A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 29 13:05:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23047; Sat, 29 Sep 2001 13:03:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 13:03:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Scott Wilson" To: Subject: RE: 9 V AC Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 13:03:45 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c14908$b36a78f0$660bc90a@dwfearn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00e501c1487d$644d8b80$6401a8c0@nc.rr.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, give the 9V dc ones a shot. it's got to end up DC eventually, and the ART boxes may have just had the rectifiers/regulators in the box instead of the wart. As far as amperage, that won't fry the box... incorrect voltage will. If a power supply says that it's 9V 500mA, that means that it can supply 9V at any current draw up to 500mA. So even if the ART box only took 350mA, then that's all it will draw. If it took 900mA, however, then the wall wart couldn't supply the whole 9V, and it just wouldn't turn on, or if you left it on, then the x-former might get too hot, but nothing immediate. The thing to watch out for is using the wrong voltage... But of course, this is all theory... don't blow yourself up, and if you do, then don't blame the author of this email! :) -s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 29 18:09:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06659; Sat, 29 Sep 2001 18:07:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 18:07:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: giuseppe_poteet@worldnet.att.net User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 15:00:11 -0700 Subject: Re: 9 V AC To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000201c14908$b36a78f0$660bc90a@dwfearn> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 9/29/01 10:03 AM, Scott Wilson at swilson@scratchstudio.net wrote: > > Well, give the 9V dc ones a shot. Or don't. It ain't gonna work, & could screw something up. Try ART for the adapter (or your local guitar center/sam ash/Mars might have somehing in the back room if you ask.) Or try mouser (mouser.com), They carry 9vac adapters. It shouldn't be hard to get an ART adapter as they also use 9vac adapters for the Tube MP & LeVelA r--there's a good chance it's the same adapter. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 29 19:06:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10325; Sat, 29 Sep 2001 19:05:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 19:05:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 20:04:23 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: professional loopers? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am wondering how many of us make a living out of looping. DT does, Mich Gerber, Stefan Keller,,, but I dont know about all others... So my question to all: Do you create music that could not be played (or presented at a suficient low cost) without loop technology and make a considerable part of the income out of it? Do you know such musicians that are not on the list? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 29 19:09:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10387; Sat, 29 Sep 2001 19:06:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 19:06:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 16:05:47 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Zena Parkins In-reply-to: <005d01c14906$b1ff1400$a3739818@default> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <005d01c14906$b1ff1400$a3739818@default> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:49 AM -0600 9/29/01, Daniel wrote: >any info on her music and instruments? http://www.sigov.si/uzp/city/site/music/cvparkin.html http://www.ps1.org/cut/volume/parkins.html -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 29 21:09:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16730; Sat, 29 Sep 2001 21:07:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 21:07:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010928094037.0254e648@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 18:02:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Kim on EDP In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:20 AM 9/28/2001, SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: >Hi Kim (from andy) >andy: > > >Thanks for that Kim, but doesn't this mean I'd have to hit Insert and move > > >that pedal simultaneously in order to go directly into Insert. > > >kim: > > no, it doesn't have to be simultaneous. The pedal control on the loop >input > > volume is independent of what function is running. So I would think you > > could easily turn the volume down just before you do this insert. Or you > > could use Quantize, so the Insert doesn't start until the next cycle > > boundary. Then you could press insert well in advance and then turn the > > loop input volume down before it starts. >Ok, it's possible, :- stop noodling; push on pedal; hit Insert. that's right. although I don't see why you have to stop noodling. :-) The whole idea is that you could do this while you continue to play. >I haven't found a use for Quantise yet, as I don't use a dum machine. >................I mean drum machine Quantize has nothing to do with drum machines! It is just a question of how you approach rhythm in manipulating loops. With quantize off, all actions you do with the EDP occur instantly, exactly when you execute them. With quantize on, all actions occur at the next cycle boundary, with the machine executing them exactly at the cycle boundary. If having functions start exactly at the rhythm of the cycle boundaries is important in your use of loops, quantize is great because the machine can be far more precise with this than you could ever be. So you just press the button early and let the machine take care of the precision for you while you focus on playing something else. Usually people who use loops in more structured rhythmic music like this mode. On the other hand, if your music does not require such precision, or you prefer to be free off such constraints and like to be in control yourself, unquantized is probably for you. The cycle boundaries don't really matter anymore and you freely execute things where you feel it. This usually appeals to more ambient styles, and soloists. Practically, I think most people end up using a combination of both modes and switch back and forth depending on what they are doing. Even within the creation of a given loop you may want to do this. You might start out "free" and unquantized, building up some texture or whatever, and gradually form it into something more rhythmic and groove like. The startpoint function of the echoplex is really useful at that point, because most likely the "downbeat" of your newly groovy loop probably has little to do with the actual point where the echoplex thinks the startpoint is. So you tap the new startpoint, and then turn quantize on. Then all subsequent actions are quantized exactly to that point and are in perfect rhythm. > > also, since this loop input level control is always available you can > > actively control it while you are doing the insert or multiply, so you > can > > continue playing and decide as you go what gets added to the loop or not. > > in this case, it would be the same pedal you would have to control >feedback > > in Loop mode. For me that is something I want to have available all the > > time anyway, so a dedicated pedal for that seems worth it. > > > >Yes of course, another lead, another pedal, and by next week I won't know how >I did without it. that's correct. :-) > > One thing to note, this loop input level control that is available in >delay > > mode is actually an analog volume control. (necessary to have smooth >volume > > swells that we wanted in this mode, with no zippering noise that you > > usually get with midi volume controls.) Unfortunately that means this > > particular loop input level is not midi controllable. Feedback and loop > > output volume are midi controllable. > > >Isn't the feedback setup different in Delay Mode too? >In Loop Mode the feedback changes at the loop end. >In Delay it can be used to fade out just a bit of the loop! no, the feedback is exactly the same in both cases. It doesn't matter if you are in loop mode or delay mode. Feedback is a live control at all times, and you can always manipulate it during a loop to just fade out one portion while maintaining another. Then you can overdub something new into that portion of the loop, so you might gradually evolve only one part while another remains the same. This is a great technique, I like that a lot. >Do I get an "Undocumented-Feature-Credit" for that? sorry, no. :-) Loop feedback has been discussed many times before. There is a whole section in the Echoplex FAQ about feedback control that is probably interesting for anybody to read: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ8.html or you could try these archive searches: http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_glimpse/LDarchive?query=echoplex%3Bfeedback&Search=Search&errors=0&maxfiles=1000&maxlines=0&.cgifields=partial&.cgifields=restricttofiles&.cgifields=lineonly&.cgifields=case&.cgifields=filelist http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_glimpse/LDarchive?query=EDP%3Bfeedback&errors=0&maxfiles=1000&maxlines=0&.cgifields=partial&.cgifields=restricttofiles&.cgifields=lineonly&.cgifields=case&.cgifields=filelist >Can I pester Matthias for a MIDI controlled input mute to conpensate? you can try, but it will be your fault that the LoopIV software takes longer to finish. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 29 21:41:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17932; Sat, 29 Sep 2001 21:39:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 21:39:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002c01c14950$4d5c7200$f619f7a5@billcumm> Reply-To: "Bill Cummings" From: "Bill Cummings" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010928094037.0254e648@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Question on EDP Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 21:36:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm new to looping and am looking into the EDP. What is the method of off-loading loops frpm the EDP? How do you archive your stuff? I see that it has only 16 MB RAM. Is that non-volatile, and is it expandable? Is there SCSI or something for offloading your data to some other media? Thanks for helping a newbie loopmeister! BC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 29 22:24:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20625; Sat, 29 Sep 2001 22:22:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 22:22:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 19:28:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: Question on EDP Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Bill- Welcome to the wild world of looping... The EDP has many great strengths, it remains the solo looper monster machine, however, off-loading loops isn't the EDP's strength. Midi (think glacial speed, then cut in half) is the only supported off-loading mechanism. The RAM is indeed non-volatile. On the other hand, you could just resample the output of the EDP again with your computer, sampler etc, and save that. Not as elegant as WAV storage, degrades the signal somewhat, but works... There are a lot of machines that allow storage of loops now, like the various Roland Groove samplers, etc, which will happily store and spit back loops, but the EDP is best at developing and building loops I think, a not insignificant distinction... Best- Mark >I'm new to looping and am looking into the EDP. >What is the method of off-loading loops frpm the EDP? How do you archive >your stuff? I see that it has only 16 MB RAM. Is that non-volatile, and is >it expandable? Is there SCSI or something for offloading your data to some >other media? Thanks for helping a newbie loopmeister! >BC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 29 22:33:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA21200; Sat, 29 Sep 2001 22:32:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 22:32:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 19:31:15 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: Question on EDP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:28 PM -0700 9/29/01, Mark Landman wrote: >The EDP has many great strengths, it remains the solo looper monster >machine, however, off-loading loops isn't the EDP's strength. Midi (think >glacial speed, then cut in half) is the only supported off-loading >mechanism. The RAM is indeed non-volatile. Mark, you probably meant to say volatile here? The EDP uses DRAM on old-school 30 pin SIMMS, so it forgets when it gets powered off. -C -- _________________________________________________________________ cbm@well.com | "Blind patriotism is more dangerous than http://www.xfade.com | no patriotism at all." - Benjamin Franklin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 01:56:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA31367; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 01:55:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 01:55:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 22:53:42 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: professional loopers? In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: <8sAaJB.A.NpH.JOrt7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:04 PM -0300 9/29/01, Matthias Grob wrote: >Do you create music that could not be played (or presented at a >suficient low cost) without loop technology and make a considerable >part of the income out of it? >Do you know such musicians that are not on the list? Pamela Z comes to mind. Though I haven't heard her perform in some years now, in the early '90s she was doing remarkable things with two or three modest delays and voice. As her career has developed she's been able to expand her performance resources, both technologically and with increased human resources (such as her group The Qube Chix). I've seen similar progressions in other composer/performers' development. Paul Dresher is a good example, particularly since I saw some of the early stages of his loopism. Like many of us in the 1970s he was using live tape delay systems. He had a couple of funky tape decks hooked up as a guitar system, and he started perfecting looping techniques using the multitrack machines in the studio at UCSD. Then in 1979 he and one of the Music Department techs, Paul Tydelski, built a 4-track looping system out of a modified TASCAM 40-4 and a VCA-based mixer controlled by 24 foot pedals. Over the next few years Paul performed solo guitar gigs with this system, and he used it in an ensemble context with the George Coates Ensemble. After leaving that group he formed the Paul Dresher Ensemble with drummer Gene Refkin and actor/singer Rinde Eckert, eventually adding other performers as his financial resources and musical vision increased. At some point the tape system was retired in favor of (I think) three Echoplexes, and in recent years I believe all the Ensemble music is through-composed and performed live by a much larger group (perhaps Kim can elucidate). This is a good example of both economic and aesthetic evolution at work. In the early stages his musical language was much more in a "classic" minimalist mode and the more restrictive formal structure imposed by tape-based looping technology was in keeping with the style. After a few years the musical limits of both system and style had been explored to a great degree and there was both a need and the resources to expand into new stylistic areas. P.S. While looking back to the '70s and '80s, I'll mention a couple of composers whose principal work was created and performed with loop-related technology: Ingram Marshall and Daniel Lentz. Marshall's earlier works used a recycling delay system based on a pair of 4-track decks with the tape threaded between them, and most of his work of that period was preformed solo or with one or a small number of live performers. Like Paul, Ingram began to explore the implications of delay and repetition using expanded performance resources, both with and without live electronics. Daniel Lentz based many of his works of the '70s and '80s on tape systems. He used a process of accumulation to build up musical and spoken phrases out of fragments, initially with analog tape and later with digital multitracks. I'm not sure of his specific technique during the analog period, but the digital versions were performed by successive record/rewind/overdub. I haven't heard any recent work, but he also seems to have expanded his performing forces to be able to accomplish similar musical processes without the use of recording technology. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 07:47:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA16163; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 07:45:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 07:45:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.237.88.152] From: "mike morris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tim Reynolds on Craig Kilborn Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 11:44:17 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Sep 2001 11:44:17.0855 (UTC) FILETIME=[3C9EB4F0:01C149A5] Resent-Message-ID: <1Te7l.A.M8D.xWwt7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sounds way nipple! >From: jim palmer >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Tim Reynolds on Craig Kilborn >Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 08:45:11 -0500 > >anyone in the u.s. catch this last night? >i don't know who he is but tim reynolds did >a very nipple looping performance on kilborn. >just acoustic guitar and some kind of looping hardware. >i don't think it was just delays, because i thought i heard him >readjust the loop time and rerecord his original loop. >it was on the floor, and he was messing with the playback speed, >so that limits it to a few devices... > >it seemed to be mostly improvised as well... >i thought that it was very adventerous. >for network television, anyway. > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 09:20:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA20774; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 09:16:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 09:16:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: professional loopers? Reply-To: A.Willers@t-online.de From: A.Willers@t-online.de (A.Willers) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 15:16:11 +0000 X-Mailer: Musashi 3.2.3-es Message-ID: <15ngRf-0k2JeqC@fwd06.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 520012547034-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias wrote: I am wondering how many of us make a living out of looping. DT does, Mich Gerber, Stefan Keller,,, but I dont know about all others... So my question to all: Do you create music that could not be played (or presented at a suficient low cost) without loop technology and make a considerable part of the income out of it? Do you know such musicians that are not on the list? -- I saw Bill Frisell perform solo last year and his set was quite loop oriented, with almost every tune involving 'freesing-a-long-delay' type looping. On his solo record it's less obvious, I guess? In band performances he uses his delay quite a bit, but the loops are more the icing on the cake than the core of the music. In a remotely similar fashion I am using my loopers in band projects for a good 15% (I either bring my Digitech PDS 8000 or the EDP), but in my solo programm I am relying heavily on them, although I still play about 25% strictly solo guitar. Sometimes the gigs where the looper's break down and you have to make up for them are the very best...challenging. (I do this for a living, very lucky). BTW, for years I have been using the tc 2290 for this, was endorsing and demoing the unit for them and always asked for updates in the realm of loopage - in vain. Even in the manual for the tc G-force multi effect the say something like "there is no reason anybody (in his right mind) could want more than 1400ms delay time". At the same time the G-force does offer reverb times of 20 or more seconds, which of course is a feature that is so much less usable than, say 3 seconds of delay (probably it's cheaper to do). So let's face it, we are just a bunch of esoteric freaks, guys! Somehow I can't blame them, these guys have to take care of their business and what the buying public seems to what. I kept telling them that every working pro at least in the guitar/bass field can get a good use out of any kind of a looping tool, be it alone for practising, teaching, studio fly-in's and , aha - maybe he/she can use it in his music as well after all. But: next week I'll be a very professional looper and will perform workshop concerts at a quite know trade show & concerts event here in Germany. I got invited for my reputation as a 'progressive' jazz guitarist and my use of effects, loopers etc. So is there hope? andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 10:53:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA25253; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 10:52:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 10:52:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 10:55:46 -0400 Subject: Re: professional loopers? From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well, there are folks like phil keaggy, bill frisell and myself who tour and perform solo concerts that are almost entirely loop based, but who also sometimes do "regular" concerts with a band that involve somewhat less looping. but yes, you can count me as someone who makes a reasonable living mainly by making loops in a live context... ric hordinski -- monk@fuse.net www.monkmusic.com on 9/29/01 7:04 PM, Matthias Grob at matthias@grob.org wrote: > I am wondering how many of us make a living out of looping. > DT does, Mich Gerber, Stefan Keller,,, but I dont know about all others... > > So my question to all: > Do you create music that could not be played (or presented at a > suficient low cost) without loop technology and make a considerable > part of the income out of it? > Do you know such musicians that are not on the list? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 13:05:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03025; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 13:04:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 13:04:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 14:04:12 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: reply sometimes not to the list? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <5TooMB.A.7u._B1t7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim, It happens here sometimes (about 1 in 20 maybe, it just happened with A.Willers) that "Reply" does not bring the LD adress, but the one of the poster. Its not a problem as long as we pay atention to it, but it may happen that someone thinks he posted but just answered personally... I this a problem of some setting in - my Email soft? - the senders Email soft? - the LD server? - a unlucky combination of all? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 13:05:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03028; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 13:04:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 13:04:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <15ngRf-0k2JeqC@fwd06.sul.t-online.com> References: <15ngRf-0k2JeqC@fwd06.sul.t-online.com> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 14:04:08 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: professional loopers? esotherics? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Matthias wrote: > >I am wondering how many of us make a living out of looping. >DT does, Mich Gerber, Stefan Keller,,, but I dont know about all others... > >So my question to all: >Do you create music that could not be played (or presented at a >suficient low cost) without loop technology and make a considerable >part of the income out of it? >Do you know such musicians that are not on the list? >-- So we got: Bill Frisell Mich Gerber Stefan Keller David Torn Andreas Willers .... > >BTW, for years I have been using the tc 2290 for this, was endorsing and >demoing the unit for them and always asked for updates in the realm of >loopage - in vain. Even in the manual for the tc G-force multi effect the >say something like "there is no reason anybody (in his right mind) could >want more than 1400ms delay time". At the same time the G-force does offer >reverb times of 20 or more seconds, which of course is a feature that is so >much less usable than, say 3 seconds of delay (probably it's cheaper to >do). > >So let's face it, we are just a bunch of esoteric freaks, guys! Somehow I >can't blame them, these guys have to take care of their business and what >the buying public seems to what. Well, who knows whether "they" (tc for example) judge the situation right? Electrix does not seem to have that opinion, otherwhise they would not stop all other products and bet completely on looping, right? >I kept telling them that every working pro >at least in the guitar/bass field can get a good use out of any kind of a >looping tool, be it alone for practising, teaching, studio fly-in's and , >aha - maybe he/she can use it in his music as well after all. Thats it! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 13:06:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03029; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 13:04:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 13:04:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 14:04:00 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Question on EDP: Non volatile memory? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 7:28 PM -0700 9/29/01, Mark Landman wrote: >>The EDP has many great strengths, it remains the solo looper monster >>machine, however, off-loading loops isn't the EDP's strength. Midi (think >>glacial speed, then cut in half) is the only supported off-loading >>mechanism. The RAM is indeed non-volatile. > >Mark, you probably meant to say volatile here? The EDP uses DRAM on >old-school 30 pin SIMMS, so it forgets when it gets powered off. How important is this non volatiliy? We have been thinking about creating some kind of an upgrade kit that connects to the SIMM sockets but holds some non volatile memory. How many of you would be interested in spending $100-200 for this? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 13:40:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04721; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 13:39:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 13:39:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c149d6$b1774fe0$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: reply sometimes not to the list? Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 18:38:15 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Same here. It's not consistent, nor does it have a pattern I've been able to discern. I usually workaround this by pasting the email address for LD into the To field. Outlook Express 6 here. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" To: Sent: 30 September 2001 18:04 PM Subject: reply sometimes not to the list? > Kim, > > It happens here sometimes (about 1 in 20 maybe, it just happened with > A.Willers) that "Reply" does not bring the LD adress, but the one of > the poster. > Its not a problem as long as we pay atention to it, but it may happen > that someone thinks he posted but just answered personally... > > I this a problem of some setting in > - my Email soft? > - the senders Email soft? > - the LD server? > - a unlucky combination of all? > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 13:45:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05079; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 13:44:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 13:44:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c149d7$6ebf1f60$903a4a42@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: Subject: Re: Question on EDP: Non volatile memory? Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 10:43:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How much non-volatile RAM are we talking about? Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" > How important is this non volatiliy? > We have been thinking about creating some kind of an upgrade kit that > connects to the SIMM sockets but holds some non volatile memory. > How many of you would be interested in spending $100-200 for this? > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 13:50:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05479; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 13:49:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 13:49:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.69.204.130] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: professional loopers? Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 17:48:50 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Sep 2001 17:48:51.0116 (UTC) FILETIME=[2A1976C0:01C149D8] Resent-Message-ID: <82lBP.A.VVB.is1t7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Add my name to that list! And Steve Lawson...and, of course, our own illustrious Rick Walker (a.k.a Loop-pool), who, coincidentally, got me involved in looping altogether (thanks Rick!). I do quite a few solo shows (bass and loops), we did the Solo Bass Looping tour earlier this summer....and I always have my JamMan in my rack when I play in groups and ensembles of various styles. Often I will just add some loops to tunes during rehearsal to see "how they fly", and usually they work. I have added loops to rock, even country and blues tunes, if only for added texture. And...on that subject...a few days ago Kim replied to a thread concerning improvisation and loops. He put forth a few ideas, which I am sure he intended for 'plex users, concerning the "flow" of loops and how to make looped performances less like "driving thru a thick noisy fog and slamming into a brick wall". I printed that post up, got out my MIDI pedal and have begun, again, to make use of the somewhat limited (by 'plex and 'peater standards) MIDI features of the JamMan (such as MIDI fade, mute, and multiple loops) trying to again get to a more "musical" loop presentation. That is opposed to the lay-down-some-groove-and-noodle-endlessly-over-it way of working. When I first started looping I was using drum machines (sometimes two simultaneously) to clock all the loops, allowing for well placed A-B sections. But, drum machines do have a limitation...mainly in the audience reluctance to accept mecahnical, computerized sequences as musical expression. Playing solo bass, even with loops, the audience would be wrapt, but start a sequencer and I had lost them. Then I began using the bass itself to produce drum parts, which I looped. I dumped the MIDI pedals (due to a bad latency in the JamBoy)...but this led me to do loops which certainly fit into KIm's Fog/wall analogy. Thanks, Kim....the fog has lifted and my loops are much more interesting, as are my compositions. That's what I love about this list; free exchage of ideas, concepts, and certainly help from others. Max >well, > > there are folks like phil keaggy, bill frisell and myself who tour and >perform solo concerts that are almost entirely loop based, but who also >sometimes do "regular" concerts with a band that involve somewhat less >looping. but yes, you can count me as someone who makes a reasonable living >mainly by making loops in a live context... > > > > > > >ric hordinski >-- >monk@fuse.net >www.monkmusic.com > > > > > > > >on 9/29/01 7:04 PM, Matthias Grob at matthias@grob.org wrote: > > > I am wondering how many of us make a living out of looping. > > DT does, Mich Gerber, Stefan Keller,,, but I dont know about all >others... > > > > So my question to all: > > Do you create music that could not be played (or presented at a > > suficient low cost) without loop technology and make a considerable > > part of the income out of it? > > Do you know such musicians that are not on the list? > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 13:51:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05542; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 13:50:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 13:50:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 10:51:26 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.388) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v388) In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Question on EDP: Non volatile memory? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010930175000.ZWRF674.femail40.sdc1.sfba.home.com@localhost> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Until I purchased the Repeater, I probably never thought of having non volatile memory as a feature, but now that the Repeater is my main looper, I find myself using the ability to instantly off load loops all the time. It's really a great idea. Usually, I'll just let the loop fade away, all zen like, but now it's so easy to pop that CFC into the cheap USB CFC reader and "woop, there it is," on my mac. I've yet to actually incorporate any of these loops into pieces, but if you check the Electrix forums, it seems as if a bunch of people are using ACID to do exactly this. The other great thing for me is, I can start with a loop, go through many more, and then go back to the first one with a totally different backing sequence. I then solo over the old loop, but now it has new tempo and even pitch. Very handy for creating variations on a theme. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, September 30, 2001, at 10:04 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: >> At 7:28 PM -0700 9/29/01, Mark Landman wrote: >>> The EDP has many great strengths, it remains the solo looper monster >>> machine, however, off-loading loops isn't the EDP's strength. Midi >>> (think >>> glacial speed, then cut in half) is the only supported off-loading >>> mechanism. The RAM is indeed non-volatile. >> >> Mark, you probably meant to say volatile here? The EDP uses DRAM on >> old-school 30 pin SIMMS, so it forgets when it gets powered off. > > How important is this non volatiliy? > We have been thinking about creating some kind of an upgrade kit that > connects to the SIMM sockets but holds some non volatile memory. > How many of you would be interested in spending $100-200 for this? > -- > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 13:54:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05977; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 13:52:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 13:52:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 10:53:34 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.388) From: Mark Sottilaro To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v388) In-Reply-To: <001101c149d6$b1774fe0$0201a8c0@stephen> Subject: Re: reply sometimes not to the list? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010930175208.FZSN10548.femail27.sdc1.sfba.home.com@localhost> Resent-Message-ID: <4OpDP.A.-cB.Ov1t7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It seem to happen to me with any email client I use, Outlook, Netscape, and now the mail client that comes with OSX. I thought it had something to do with the person sending it. OH SHIT! I just realized that this isn't going to the list! It's going to Stephen directly! I'll change that... Mark On Sunday, September 30, 2001, at 10:38 AM, Stephen P. Goodman wrote: > Same here. It's not consistent, nor does it have a pattern I've been > able > to discern. I usually workaround this by pasting the email address for > LD > into the To field. Outlook Express 6 here. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matthias Grob" > To: > Sent: 30 September 2001 18:04 PM > Subject: reply sometimes not to the list? > > >> Kim, >> >> It happens here sometimes (about 1 in 20 maybe, it just happened with >> A.Willers) that "Reply" does not bring the LD adress, but the one of >> the poster. >> Its not a problem as long as we pay atention to it, but it may happen >> that someone thinks he posted but just answered personally... >> >> I this a problem of some setting in >> - my Email soft? >> - the senders Email soft? >> - the LD server? >> - a unlucky combination of all? >> -- >> >> >> ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org >> >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 13:57:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06334; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 13:56:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 13:56:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010930104544.0258dec0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 10:53:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: reply sometimes not to the list? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Normally, the list server sets the "reply-to" field to equal the list address for every post that is sent out. So you press reply to a post on LD and it is addressed back to the list instead of the person who posted it. However, if the original poster has the "reply-to" field set in their mail program, the list server lets that override and doesn't change it to the list address. So you press reply to that particular person's mail and it is addressed back to the poster and not the list. So when you see this happen, it is really because the person you are replying to has their mail program set to add the "reply-to" header. It is rare for somebody to do this, and usually there is no reason for them to do it. They may not even know, so you might try asking that person to change the settings on their mail program to not use "reply-to". kim At 10:04 AM 9/30/2001, Matthias Grob wrote: >Kim, > >It happens here sometimes (about 1 in 20 maybe, it just happened with >A.Willers) that "Reply" does not bring the LD adress, but the one of the >poster. >Its not a problem as long as we pay atention to it, but it may happen that >someone thinks he posted but just answered personally... > >I this a problem of some setting in >- my Email soft? >- the senders Email soft? >- the LD server? >- a unlucky combination of all? >-- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 14:18:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08412; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 14:17:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 14:17:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 14:15:07 -0400 Subject: Re: Professional Loopers From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200109301754.NAA06073@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5Vv3cD.A.DDC.SG2t7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Interesting reading, this loop on those of us making a living from live shows. Question -- this sounds so blunt and naive but -- how do you do it? I make my living writing for TV, have done some solo shows at the Knitting Factory and Guggenheim Museum in NY, but can't seem to get past the "do a show for my friends and acquaintances" stage -- any hints? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 14:54:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09917; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 14:53:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 14:53:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010930114656.025e08e8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 11:49:41 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: reply sometimes not to the list? In-Reply-To: <20010930175208.FZSN10548.femail27.sdc1.sfba.home.com@local host> References: <001101c149d6$b1774fe0$0201a8c0@stephen> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stephen is one of the people with the "reply-to" set in his mail program to his own address. I've even explained it to him before, I guess he forgot. kim At 10:53 AM 9/30/2001, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >It seem to happen to me with any email client I use, Outlook, Netscape, >and now the mail client that comes with OSX. I thought it had something >to do with the person sending it. > >OH SHIT! I just realized that this isn't going to the list! It's going >to Stephen directly! I'll change that... > >Mark > >On Sunday, September 30, 2001, at 10:38 AM, Stephen P. Goodman wrote: > >>Same here. It's not consistent, nor does it have a pattern I've been able >>to discern. I usually workaround this by pasting the email address for LD >>into the To field. Outlook Express 6 here. >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Matthias Grob" >>To: >>Sent: 30 September 2001 18:04 PM >>Subject: reply sometimes not to the list? >> >> >>>Kim, >>> >>>It happens here sometimes (about 1 in 20 maybe, it just happened with >>>A.Willers) that "Reply" does not bring the LD adress, but the one of >>>the poster. >>>Its not a problem as long as we pay atention to it, but it may happen >>>that someone thinks he posted but just answered personally... >>> >>>I this a problem of some setting in >>>- my Email soft? >>>- the senders Email soft? >>>- the LD server? >>>- a unlucky combination of all? >>>-- >>> >>> >>> ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 15:10:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11779; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 15:08:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 15:08:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003101c149e2$dd78c2c0$ad0c5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #236 Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 15:04:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed with a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #236 September 27, 2001. RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Pete Namlook (Pete Kuhlmann), an ambient musician and the owner of FAX records. The feature CD at midnight was "Aldernebel" by Pete Namlook and DJ Dag and released on the FAX label. The vinyl show starter, a new feature of the show leftover from WDIY's Salute to Records, was by Ash Ra Tempel. I also played the music of Free System Projekt and Wave World in support of their upcoming concert at the Gathering. While in the area, both bands will perform in-studio, on-air concerts on the October 11th EMUSIC and on the October 14th Star's End. Pete Namlook http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2001/focus01.html#sep The Gathering http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Ash Ra Tempel Quasarsphere Inventions for Electric Guitar (Cosmic Courier/EMI) Frank van der Wel Eruptions Part 4 Eruptions (Quantum) Stephanie Sante Strange Metamorphosis Inner Beauty (Sante Music) VA [MK-Ultra] III Voodoo Roux (Waveform) Orbital Decay "Q" Live Drastic Park (none) 12:00 am Namlook & WDJ Dag Raum Aldernebel (FAX) Namlook & WDJ Dag The West Is The Best Aldernebel (FAX) Namlook & WDJ Dag Pure Energy Aldernebel (FAX) Namlook & WDJ Dag Dagar Aldernebel (FAX) Namlook & WDJ Dag You Gotta Hold It In Aldernebel (FAX) Your Lungs Longer, George VA [Legion of Green Beyond the Borderless Sunset Magnetic North Men] (Waveform) Steve Roach Quiet Friend Dreaming... Now, Then (Celestial Harmonies) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on Two Dutch Bands In America, Wave World and Free System Projekt. The feature CD at midnight will be "Pointless Reminder" by FSP on the Quantum label. These two bands from the Netherlands will perform live on WDIY on October 11, on the 13th at the next Gathering in Philadelphia, and again on Star's End later that same evening. Next week's vinyl show starter will be by Tomita. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 15:16:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12194; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 15:15:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 15:15:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 12:14:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Rik Elswit Message-Id: <200109301914.MAA17019@well.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Question on EDP: Non volatile memory? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "We have been thinking about creating some kind of an upgrade kit that connects to the SIMM sockets but holds some non volatile memory. How many of you would be interested in spending $100-200 for this?" I would. I'm hooked on the EDP style of looping, with extensive use of Multiply, and Undoing successive loops all the way back to my initial loop. Of course, I've been using the machine long enough that the operating system is pretty transparent to me. But I'm loving the sound of the Repeater and the ability to apply a different set of stereo effects to successive passes. And I like being able to save my work. There is a part of me that likes the in-the-moment feel of the EDP, and I'm secure that I can usually come up with an interesting loop on the fly. Hell, I've even developed some schtick to get the audience laughing when I lose it. But it sure would be nice to have a few prerecorded starter loops in the can that I can bring in after the bit if freeplay I do before looping.. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 15:17:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12206; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 15:15:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 15:15:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007901c149e4$7c5c9d20$8161f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200109301754.NAA06072@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: re: professional loopers Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 12:17:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just did some rough calculations and figure out that I made a little over 60% of this past years income (September 2000 - September 2001) directly from Looping. This included sales from my first abstract electronica CD, Loop.pooL (done entirely in ACID, the PC, loop based program)which, luckily, have been really good, composing and recording documentary soundtracks (1 with one pending), modern dance commissions (9) and production jobs (2) that required those skills as primary skills for the project and whose clients hired me because they saw me Loop live....... and live looping solo and/or duet concerts (I do a live world music/electronica/looping project with my incredible brother, called "Walkers" for Corporate clients and private parties). The rest of my income derives from more conventional studio recording gigs, touring,teaching, book sales and oddball gigs. I suppose that partially qualifies me for the professional loopers club. You can put 60% of my name on the list ;-). You can either spell it: "Rick Wa.." or "Loop.p..." yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) P.S. I did not include the massive profits from sales of t-shirts from our 'Worlds' First Bass Looping Tour'.........actually, just kidding: I haven't had the time to get the damn things made up, but, and you heard it here first, I will make a very limited run of those shirts if anyone is interested. Let me know off list if you'd like me to reserve one for you. They will be pricey ($20-25 with shipping) just because of the limited nature of the run, which I apologize for in advance. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 15:51:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13854; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 15:50:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 15:50:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: OT: favorite online radio stations Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 21:51:32 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Sender: 520030663132-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What are your favorite streaming radio stations? are there good stations with loop based or ambient/experimental stuff? I'm looking for true realtime radio stuff, not on-demand stuff where you have to choose single tracks. My favorite so far is Radio Internationale Stadt from Berlin. They're basically a large repository of experimental music but if you click on http://orang.orang.org/perl/ora-prep?access=randio you get a random playlist of 40 titles which runs for quite a while. = michael peters = computer graphics + electronic music = www.mpeters.de/mpeweb From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 15:51:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13855; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 15:50:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 15:50:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004401c149e9$0ba42940$c8b99318@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Luden" To: Subject: DL4's placement in chain? Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 15:49:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've heard not to put a DL4 in an effects loop (due to the sensitivity of the output setting, I believe) and I think most people say to put it right after the guitar, before the effects. I want to be able to add effects to the loop. Which is the best way to do this? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 15:52:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14169; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 15:51:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 15:51:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 15:55:41 -0400 Subject: Re: Professional Loopers From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com steve, i'll bet that few, if any of the "pro" loopers on this list, including dave t., make a significant amount of their income (or a significant income period...) from live "club" type shows. in addition to club shows, (which usually have dismal, laughable guarantees...) , i play a lot of concerts at colleges and do master classes for the music departments in conjuction with live concerts.it'd not uncommon to get a $1500-$2200 honoriarium and then sell 30-60 cds at a decent college concert. i do make money selling cds at live shows ( and over the internet, with online retailers like amazon.com and pastemusic.com...) and i get royalties on records i've produced for bigger artists that sell more records than i do... i also play festivals in europe which can sometimes pay well and allow for lots of cd sales. my music is probably as popular in europe as in america, and we can play larger, better live shows in western europe than in the us... kind of like the "jazz syndrome" i also had a head start because i had a cult following from a band i played with before i started doing my own music exclusively. that helped get a record deal and radio airplay etc... ( although calling it a head start seems a little like over playing the hand...i'm still very small potatoes compared to big pop folks..) getting your music played on the radio helps, but of course, not everyones music will fit in a "format" it's easier for me because i also have a percentage of vocal music that keeps a lot of doors open...chicks dig it....no really...i'm kidding.... i also do soundtrack work and am starting to write film scores. but i do get a lot of work from folks who have seen me play live. hope that helps. ric hordinski -- monk@fuse.net www.monkmusic.com on 9/30/01 2:15 PM, Steve Sandberg at stevesandberg@earthlink.net wrote: > Interesting reading, this loop on those of us making a living from live > shows. > Question -- this sounds so blunt and naive but -- how do you do it? > I make my living writing for TV, have done some solo shows at the Knitting > Factory and Guggenheim Museum in NY, but can't seem to get past the "do a > show for my friends and acquaintances" stage -- any hints? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 16:01:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16086; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 15:59:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 15:59:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003e01c149ea$0869a240$ad0c5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Top 20 for September Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 15:56:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 report to New Age Voice and CD Revolutions for September, 2001. Shows #233 to #236; 6-September-2001 to 27-September-2001 Reported in non-ranked order. Compiled by Bill Fox, billfox@fast.net CONTACT: billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL ============================ Alpha Wave Movement & Jim Cole - Bislama - Spectral Spiral ARC - Radio Sputnik - DiN Brannan Lane - Sleep Cycle - brannanlane.com Dweller at the Threshold - Ouroborus - Hypnos/Binary eM - All the Stars Burning Bright - Hypnos/Foundry Erik Wollo - Wind Journey - Spotted Peccary Frank van der Wel - Eruptions - Quantum Gert Emmens - Asteroids - Quantum Namlook & Inoue - Shades of Orion - FAX Namlook & Jenssen - The Fires or Ork II - FAX Namlook & Prochir - Possible Gardens - FAX Namlook & WDJ Dag - Aldernebel - FAX Orbital Decay - Drastic Park - none Spectral Voices - Coalescence - Spectral Spiral Stephanie Sante - Inner Beauty - Sante Music Steve Roach - Dreaming... Now, Then - Celestial Harmonies Tom Heasley - Where the Earth Meets the Sky - Hypnos Various Artists - Sunset Magnetic North - Waveform Various Artists - Voodoo Roux - Waveform Wave World - Dimensions - Quantum Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 16:35:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18047; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 16:34:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 16:34:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010930105518.04c7dd90@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 13:31:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Question on EDP: Non volatile memory? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <7Wv-M.A.MZE.oG4t7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:04 AM 9/30/2001, Matthias Grob wrote: >>At 7:28 PM -0700 9/29/01, Mark Landman wrote: >>>The EDP has many great strengths, it remains the solo looper monster >>>machine, however, off-loading loops isn't the EDP's strength. Midi (think >>>glacial speed, then cut in half) is the only supported off-loading >>>mechanism. The RAM is indeed non-volatile. >> >>Mark, you probably meant to say volatile here? The EDP uses DRAM on >>old-school 30 pin SIMMS, so it forgets when it gets powered off. > >How important is this non volatiliy? I often think about this, but reach a different conclusion. With a performance oriented looper like the Echoplex, the whole feature set is based around the idea of being able to build, manipulate, and evolve loops freely while performing. If all you do with it in performance is make static, unchanging loops, you are almost missing the point. So, if your loops are things that living and changing constantly, what exactly is it that you save when you "store a loop"? To me that is like taking a photograph instead of filming. It just gets a glimpse but not the whole experience. Looping to me starts with nothing and grows to something and changes to other things and eventually goes back to nothing again. "Storing the Loop" for me would just mean recording the whole evolving thing from beginning to end. There is no point in the middle where I think, "now the loop is done" and I could save it. Especially not in any kind of performance context, where I'm thinking about playing and not recording anyway. Devices like the echoplex or jamman or boomerang or DL-4 I don't think of as recording devices at all, but as performance instruments. Having recording facility built into it makes about as much sense to me as having an automatic plucking device built onto a guitar. So you play something once and press save, then the from then on you don't have to play that riff again yourself, you just recall it and the plucker does it for you. I dunno about you, but I wake up each day and enjoy that I can play it again myself. I like that it comes out a little bit different every time. (or even totally diffeent.) I like that I can adapt to my mood or other musicians or whatever. With a performance approach to looping it is the same to me. If I play some interesting loops and I like it, I remember things about what I did and have a confidence in myself that I can do that again tomorrow. If it is not exactly the same as yesterday, that is ok, maybe it will be better. Maybe I think this because I am really more of a player and improviser, and not really interested in composing or even recording. But then I also really have an appreciation for tools well designed for their purpose, with a clear focus on that purpose, and I like to consider that purpose in choosing what I want for my own needs. I don't expect a tool designed around recording and studio needs to work well for improvisational and live playing. And I don't expect a tool designed to work well as a live performance instrument to serve as a recording studio. And a tool that doesn't seem to have a clear focus and tries to be everything, I expect will not do any of those things very well. I prefer a "best of breed" device, that knows what it's purpose is and does that very well. The hammer is for hammering and the saw is for sawing, and I don't want a hammersaw that sucks at both. If having a lot of static loops stored that you can trigger at will is what you want to do, perhaps it is a sampler you want. Or if being able to save a lot of stuff so you can carefully edit it into a recorded composition is what you want to do, perhaps a pc based recording studio is what you want. Or maybe a more portable, self contained sort of recording studio that lets you easily transfer back to your pc is what you want. If playing and creating loops live and improvisationally is what you want to do, a performance looper is probably what you want. Don't expect to find one tool that does all of these things well, because you won't. Even if something tried, it would be a failure for being too overloaded with too many features and an impossibly cluttered user interface, and everywhere in the underlying design it would be making compromises on one type of feature set in order to make another type of feature work. You would hate it. If you want to do some mixture of things, get a mixture of tools to meet those needs. I notice an interesting thing with a lot of people as they get more into looping. Usually they start off thinking that loop storage is really important. That is usually the stage where they stick to very static loops, where something is created with an overdub or two, and then left to repeat as is forever while they play along with it. So they think a lot about wanting to save that loop. (this is usually where the complain a lot that the EDP lacks that feature. :-) Then as they get more into it, they discover more and more that there is so much creative possibilities in the *process* of creating loops, and manipulating them and evolving them on the fly. The loop at any given point along the way is less of the focus. As they follow that path, they gradually forget about the whole idea of storing loops, because in that context it doesn't really make sense anymore. Instead they think more about recording the whole process as storage. I find this to be true about a lot of loop oriented music. I listen to electronic dance music all the time, even though I don't really do that as a musician. Mostly it is a very composed style, created by people sitting in front of computers, constructing very static loops that they mix together in different ways to make a composition. At the entry level, people don't really even create the loops, it is mostly using "loop libraries" or pre-existing sequences or obvious samples off other music. which is fine, that is really a point where people are learning mixing skills, recording techniques, and composition. Gradually they move on to making their own loops and do more of the creation themselves, and the music usually starts to get better as they do. They still work with static loops that they have created and stored away. And then I notice that the best dance music, or what I like the best anyway, moves beyond that. It doesn't stick to the same loop repeating endlessly, instead the loops are changing all the time. different elements coming in and out of the loops, things altering and evolving into something else. It's repetitive and grooving but it never truly repeats. I imagine those guys are thinking the same things about evolving loops that I think about. I also know from interacting with some of them that the frustrations they find with the tools tend to be in the lack of immediacy of that PC-based approach. It takes too long to meticulously construct everything, and it is too hard to "feel" it as you create. they want it more direct, like a performance type looper can give. I'm really interested to see where all of this is going.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 17:07:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20584; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 17:06:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 17:06:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 13:55:31 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: DL4's placement in chain? In-reply-to: <004401c149e9$0ba42940$c8b99318@ne.mediaone.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <004401c149e9$0ba42940$c8b99318@ne.mediaone.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:49 PM -0400 9/30/01, Luden wrote: >I've heard not to put a DL4 in an effects loop (due to the sensitivity >of the output setting, I believe) and I think most people say to put it >right after the guitar, before the effects. I want to be able to add effects >to the loop. Which is the best way to do this? Connect the DL-4 inputs to effects sends and connect its outputs to mixer line inputs (not effects returns). This will give you maximum flexibility for signal routing and it will also allow you to trim the level of the output signal. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 17:41:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22023; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 17:40:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 17:40:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <110.6282d70.28e8eb1b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 17:39:39 EDT Subject: Re: Question on EDP: Non volatile memory? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 9/30/01 8:34:23 PM, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes: << I often think about this, ....... I'm really interested to see where all of this is going.... kim>> Amen - Hitting the nail on the head. - paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 20:28:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31988; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 20:26:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 20:26:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 17:26:38 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.388) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v388) In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: professional loopers? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20011001002512.TVQI4293.femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com@localhost> Resent-Message-ID: <4EF-9.A.SzH.0f7t7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I have to say that I've earned many a food credit at the ABC Cafe in Ithaca NY for the loop based shows that I performed there with David Klausner (btw, if anyone knows the whereabouts of this fine guitarist/chapman stick player, give him my email address)incorperate. A living? Few would call it that, but I sure did like their Guac and cheese omlets. Yum. I must say, if I try and think about how much money I've made doing any music compared to what I've spent on gear, I'd be very depressed. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, September 30, 2001, at 07:55 AM, mr monk wrote: > well, > > there are folks like phil keaggy, bill frisell and myself who tour and > perform solo concerts that are almost entirely loop based, but who also > sometimes do "regular" concerts with a band that involve somewhat less > looping. but yes, you can count me as someone who makes a reasonable > living > mainly by making loops in a live context... > > > > > > > ric hordinski > -- > monk@fuse.net > www.monkmusic.com > > > > > > > > on 9/29/01 7:04 PM, Matthias Grob at matthias@grob.org wrote: > >> I am wondering how many of us make a living out of looping. >> DT does, Mich Gerber, Stefan Keller,,, but I dont know about all >> others... >> >> So my question to all: >> Do you create music that could not be played (or presented at a >> suficient low cost) without loop technology and make a considerable >> part of the income out of it? >> Do you know such musicians that are not on the list? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 20:46:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA00313; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 20:44:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 20:44:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <32.1b9dfef3.28e9163b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 20:43:39 EDT Subject: Re: Question on EDP: Non volatile memory? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim, In a message dated 9/30/01 1:34:23 PM, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes: >If having a lot of static loops stored that you can trigger at will is what >you want to do, perhaps it is a sampler you want. Or if being able to save >a lot of stuff so you can carefully edit it into a recorded composition is >what you want to do, perhaps a pc based recording studio is what you want... >... If playing and creating loops live and improvisationally is what you want >to do, a performance looper is probably what you want. Don't expect to >find one tool that does all of these things well, because you won't. I have to say amen to this. All of these things are (at their conceptual cores) very different devices. They may seem superficially alike in many ways but at a much deeper level they are not the same at all. I do all of the types of things described above in my own music. The improvising musician (guitar geek) part of me needs the EDPs as "spontaneous performance loopers" -- for the very reasons Kim outlines. The somewhat "more deliberate" composer/sound designer part of me needs the PC (well actually a Mac in my case) for my more anal-retentive sound/loop/ composition/editing/tweeking needs. And, thirdly, I frequently employ various sorts of samplers to play all manner of other odd bits of pre-recorded (often computer-mangeled) stuff that would be either too hard to reproduce live by any number of real human beings, or loops that are deliberately so dirt simple and static that no human would be interested in playing them (there's a time and a place for everything). I'm not the most advanced loop-person around but over the course of a couple of decades at it I have found Kim's assertions to be qiuite true and born out by experience. Ted From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 22:04:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05280; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 22:01:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 22:01:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 22:01:04 -0400 Subject: two minds From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010930105518.04c7dd90@loopers-delight.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It has become clear, following this list over years, that loopers seem to be of two minds. The Acid guys and the EDP guys are really two completely separate camps. Those of us on "Kim's side" can't understand the desire to save a loop; a never-changing loop just isn't the living thing that an evolving loop is. I equate the static loop with MIDI music, which is a spitting out of notes and sounds on command. Not to discredit that approach, but I feel that it's a very different animal. Not looking to start a holy war here, but there is a very strict division between these mindsets, and I think we should recognize this. Could it actually call for two separate lists? David Lee Myers on 9/30/01 4:31 PM, Kim Flint at kflint@loopers-delight.com wrote: > With a performance oriented looper like the Echoplex, the whole feature set > is based around the idea of being able to build, manipulate, and evolve > loops freely while performing. If all you do with it in performance is make > static, unchanging loops, you are almost missing the point. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 22:58:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07494; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 22:54:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 22:54:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003601c14a1b$ab222a80$0e0aa8c0@den> From: "Doug Cox" To: Subject: 2 Amps in Guitar Looping Setup? Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 21:52:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I love this list! Thanks Kim, and all of you. Please bear with me on this explanation. You'll see that I'm still trying to work out an approach, and I sure could use some expert advice. I've been playing guitar for about 20 years and have pursued most of my varied musical tastes. I'm back now to my true and deepest love, which for the purposes of this list could be called ambient, soundscapes (eek!), looping, patterned textures... or not. See my P.S. if that description doesn't make you puke. So, my technical question: I have 2 amps that I love dearly - a Roland JC120 and a Rivera Knucklehead. I'd like to take advantage of both of them in my setup, as I've already experienced the frustration of too many tones into a single guitar amp (ie, ick.). I know that by separating various components of my looping, I'll be able to build a much larger tone palette in a single looping "event". This question really drives at 2 issues - 1) I'm looking for the right 2nd loop or delay tool that fits my needs and 2) I'm looking for ideas on how to best take advantage of 2 amps in my looping guitar setup. Today, I'm setup as: Guitar -> Dynacomp -> FM4 Filter Modeler -> Rivera Amp -> Rivera Effects Loop Out -> Digitech RP7 -> Small Clone -> EDP -> Rivera Effects Loop Return Occasionally other stuff sprinkled in there, but you get the picture I hope! I'm thinking that if I add another looper/delay in the effects loop, with some sort of A/B box for bypassing, I'd be able to decide what signal goes to what amp. For instance: Guitar -> Dynacomp -> FM4 Filter Modeler -> Rivera Amp -> Rivera Effects Loop Out -> Digitech RP7 -> Small Clone -> A/B Box A/B Box (A) -> EDP -> Rivera Effects Loop Return A/B Box (B) -> DL4? -> Roland JC120 (slave) Will this work? Anybody tried something like this? Specific to the DL4 and the recent thread on it being in the effects loop... is that a problem? I'd like to do this without buying a mixer and dealing with pre/post fader auxes, etc, as some of you do. If nothing else, I figure an A/B Box is MUCH cheaper than even a basic mixer with the features I'd need. Any help greatly appreciated! Doug Cox P.S. I'm in Houston TX. Anyone in the area who might be interested in sounds of this sort, get in touch! My next project is developing the music to support a group of poets/spoken word artists - one of which is my wife. The joy of working with your loving spouse is hard to put into words! ...guess that's why I'm doing the music? :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 23:00:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07599; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 22:56:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 22:56:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c14a24$2874b5e0$903a4a42@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: Subject: Re: two minds Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 19:52:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Two separate lists? I should hope not- Loopers loop audio- whether or not they save it for later or create it all on the fly they all have that single element in common. I think the majority of techniques and methods used in "looping" are employed by both styles. I must admit I love both- I use Acid and loops of all sorts on my computer and also get off pretty hard on my EDP, jammie, and PDS pedal- in more live settings. I really like Kim's perspective on the volatile RAM issue- at first I thought it would be great- but I know for a fact I loop differently on my JamMan just for the fact that there is no Undo- it makes a big difference- (along with many other between EDP and Jam Man) and I agree the spontaneous evoloution of a loop is a special thing- I personally DO feel the desire to record my creations however- usually at their "climax" - and a simple portable MD recorder fits this bill fine. In any event- I welcome both "side's" opinions and perspectives and hope that this line of distinction remains blurred and nurtured under the larger umbrella of looping audio as a whole. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Myers" To: Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 7:01 PM Subject: two minds > It has become clear, following this list over years, that loopers seem to be > of two minds. The Acid guys and the EDP guys are really two completely > separate camps. Those of us on "Kim's side" can't understand the desire to > save a loop; a never-changing loop just isn't the living thing that an > evolving loop is. I equate the static loop with MIDI music, which is a > spitting out of notes and sounds on command. Not to discredit that > approach, but I feel that it's a very different animal. Not looking to > start a holy war here, but there is a very strict division between these > mindsets, and I think we should recognize this. Could it actually call for > two separate lists? > > David Lee Myers > > on 9/30/01 4:31 PM, Kim Flint at kflint@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > > With a performance oriented looper like the Echoplex, the whole feature set > > is based around the idea of being able to build, manipulate, and evolve > > loops freely while performing. If all you do with it in performance is make > > static, unchanging loops, you are almost missing the point. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 23:33:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA10267; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 23:31:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 23:31:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c14a29$37828620$0200a8c0@wienerdog> Reply-To: "Funkay" From: "Funkay" To: References: Subject: Re: two minds Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 20:28:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think its more simple than that, the two styles just need different names or terms so they arent just lumped into "looping". I am not just a looper, I'm a musician and I make full use of all resources. Sometimes that means sitting down in the studio and going over every agonizing detail until its three in the morning and you're on take 106....sometimes it means grabbing the EDP and a couple random instruments. I dont find very much difference between the two because theyre both very musical. In both cases youre taking an idea and doing something with it, its just a matter of how far you want to take it. Sometimes I come up with some really great spontanious ideas performing live but I wish I could develop them more. Instead they dissapear with my bad memory when I hit the off button. The one thing I dont think should be in this catagory are the people who use acid without original loops. I may grab someone elses drum loop or bass note from time to time but the base of all my composing comes from myself and my original ideas... but this may be a whole other discussion that has probably already been nailed into the ground. Anyways, the hardware may be different and the outcome may be different, but the process and the idea are the same the way I see it. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Myers To: Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 7:01 PM Subject: two minds > It has become clear, following this list over years, that loopers seem to be > of two minds. The Acid guys and the EDP guys are really two completely > separate camps. Those of us on "Kim's side" can't understand the desire to > save a loop; a never-changing loop just isn't the living thing that an > evolving loop is. I equate the static loop with MIDI music, which is a > spitting out of notes and sounds on command. Not to discredit that > approach, but I feel that it's a very different animal. Not looking to > start a holy war here, but there is a very strict division between these > mindsets, and I think we should recognize this. Could it actually call for > two separate lists? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 23:48:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11210; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 23:47:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 23:47:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.102.51] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: two minds Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 22:46:23 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2001 03:46:24.0176 (UTC) FILETIME=[A4304300:01C14A2B] Resent-Message-ID: <6ynGJC.A.TuC.uc-t7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "ACID Guys" ?.... I resemble that remark ! Ok, so there are two minds to this "Loop Collective", but why must he distinguish between the two. I thought that the sole purpose of this list was to exchange ideas, and open up new frontiers to Loop Based Music, no matter what the source of that music is. I must admit, I did get on this list "back in the day", because I was an Hardware based looper, and I wanted to gleam more info on creating loop based music. This list, gave me my direction. For the type of music I create, I needed an application that allows me to mix slice and dice sound quickly and accurately, and also allow me to store that info, for later retrieval, so I went with the PC based looping. Now, I have nothing against the "Hardware" loopers, in fact, I read their posts also, especially the ones relating info on new samplers, and other loop based hardware. I even read the EDP one's so that I can get a feel, for what you guys are doing, in the realm of hardware... Just think, I might have to use an EDP one day.... **** So, why separate the list ? If there are Hardware guys, who think that we "Acid Guys" are upstarts, I guess they can ignore our posts (and I must admit, there are VERY FEW posts to read... I think I generate 59 % of the software stuff alone). Lucien E. Darthard A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It. http://ldarthard.ohgo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp