From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 01:46:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA06311; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 01:41:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 01:41:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.202.178.61] From: "Jon" To: References: <200107311726.NAA27525@hemlock.violacea.com> <3B66F328.A7D0E28C@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Back in the saddle, again... Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 22:40:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2001 05:40:04.0344 (UTC) FILETIME=[6A208F80:01C11A4C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fraid not - it was the first thing I checked. Tonight, however, the problem was gone. If anything - more troublesome. Now I don't have anything to troubleshoot, and I don't know if I can rely on my baby. Oh well. We'll see. Thanks for the concern though. Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: "joe & sheila" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 11:04 AM Subject: Re: Back in the saddle, again... > Hope this is the fix... make sure the EDP is not in delay mode, as opposed to > loop. > > joe > > Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > After an extended and unexpected hiatus, I've join the list again. What > > did I miss? I've been upgrading my rig, praciticing daily, and getting ready > > to start playing out again. I'm adding a hardware sequencer/synth this week, > > to run my echoplex with. > > > > Unfortunately, my echoplex seems to be broken :< I can't turn the > > feedback to 100% any more - it's always fading out. It doesn't seem to > > matter whether I use a pedal, or the front panel (though the pedal is rather > > flaky - it could be unrelated). Anyone had this happen to them? It's a bit > > of a show stopper, unless I keep 'filling up' the loop every once in a > > while, which breaks the sonfg structure and confuses band mates. I'd be > > loath to do it live. Any suggestions? > > > > Jonathan El-Bizri > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 03:56:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA11061; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 03:53:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 03:53:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: FilteredSun@cs.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 03:52:26 EDT Subject: Re: Feed Back mixing/ mixers avialable To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ce.181ca171.28990f3a_boundary" X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 6.0 for Windows US sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_ce.181ca171.28990f3a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Even though there are only four sends I have been very happy with a Behringer 2642. Great mic preamps, very low noise and a great price. Worth a look methinks. L'evesque --part1_ce.181ca171.28990f3a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Even though there are only four sends I have been very happy with a Behringer
2642.
Great mic preamps, very low noise and a great price.  Worth a look methinks.

L'evesque --part1_ce.181ca171.28990f3a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 04:29:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA12538; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 04:26:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 04:26:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Andy Ewen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Back in the saddle, again... Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 03:23:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jon, there are a number of things that can cause feedback not to reach 100%. Firstly, some of the Crystal Audio Codec chips have a known fault whereby they cause the loops to fade when F/B is on 100%. Secondly, mismatched 16MHz crystals can also cause this same fault. We can discount both of these as your EDP has worked properly, and from a more recent posting, you say the fault has gone away; this maybe only temporary. These two faults are always picked up in the factory, as we soak-test every unit for 24 hours. This all points to the old-age problem of dirty contacts. If you haven't used the EDP for a while, oxidation may well have formed on the SIMM contacts and that can give a whole host of problems. Easy to remedy however; remove the SIMMs and clean the contacts with either a fibre-glass pencil, (used for cleaning circuit boards and erasing ink when draughting), or a standard pencil eraser, (you're more likely to lay your hands on one of these). I would also recommend removing the EPROMS that hold the software, and then re-seat them. To check whether the unit will loop without degeneration, put a very small loop into the unit, (just a single click or note is best), and leave it going for an hour. As the EDP will re-generate this loop 1000's of times in that hour, it is a good indication that the Feedback is working 100%. Good luck, Andy. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan El-Bizri [mailto:ssrndpty@hotmail.com] > Sent: 31 July 2001 19:56 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Back in the saddle, again... > > > > Hi all, > > After an extended and unexpected hiatus, I've join the > list again. What > did I miss? I've been upgrading my rig, practicing daily, > and getting ready > to start playing out again. I'm adding a hardware > sequencer/synth this week, > to run my echoplex with. > > Unfortunately, my echoplex seems to be broken :< I can't turn the > feedback to 100% any more - it's always fading out. It doesn't seem to > matter whether I use a pedal, or the front panel (though the > pedal is rather > flaky - it could be unrelated). Anyone had this happen to > them? It's a bit > of a show stopper, unless I keep 'filling up' the loop every once in a > while, which breaks the song structure and confuses band > mates. I'd be > loath to do it live. Any suggestions? > > Jonathan El-Bizri > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 04:34:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA12787; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 04:31:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 04:31:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <200107311726.NAA27525@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 01:30:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Back in the saddle, again... Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:55 AM -0700 7/31/01, Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > Unfortunately, my echoplex seems to be broken :< I can't turn the >feedback to 100% any more - it's always fading out. It doesn't seem to >matter whether I use a pedal, or the front panel (though the pedal is rather >flaky - it could be unrelated). Anyone had this happen to them? It's a bit >of a show stopper, unless I keep 'filling up' the loop every once in a >while, which breaks the sonfg structure and confuses band mates. I'd be >loath to do it live. Any suggestions? hey Jonathan, welcome back! there was a batch of echoplexes that went out a year or two ago that had a component that was out of spec. The symptom was exactly that, every now and then you would turn it on and it was like the feedback was stuck at 95%. Most times you power up and it is fine. (that's why they slipped out, it was hard to detect....) It is relatively easy to fix, just by getting that part replaced. If you contact Shane Radtke at Gibson he'll fix you right up. , 1-800-544-2766 x206 or (847) 741-7315 x206. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 05:00:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA13679; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 04:58:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 04:58:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Andy Ewen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Back in the saddle, again... Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 03:55:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That'd be the Crystal Codec then. I was unaware that they caused an intermittent fault; from our experiance here, they either worked or not, but I bow to Kims superior knowledge, (as Geddy once said, 'He's a Digital Man'). It can't hurt to change this chip so if Shane hasn't got any, I can always ship a replacement out direct from here. Andy. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] > Sent: 01 August 2001 09:31 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Back in the saddle, again... > > > At 11:55 AM -0700 7/31/01, Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > > Unfortunately, my echoplex seems to be broken :< I can't turn the > >feedback to 100% any more - it's always fading out. It > doesn't seem to > >matter whether I use a pedal, or the front panel (though the > pedal is rather > >flaky - it could be unrelated). Anyone had this happen to > them? It's a bit > >of a show stopper, unless I keep 'filling up' the loop every > once in a > >while, which breaks the sonfg structure and confuses band > mates. I'd be > >loath to do it live. Any suggestions? > > hey Jonathan, welcome back! > > there was a batch of echoplexes that went out a year or two > ago that had a > component that was out of spec. The symptom was exactly that, > every now and > then you would turn it on and it was like the feedback was > stuck at 95%. > Most times you power up and it is fine. (that's why they > slipped out, it > was hard to detect....) It is relatively easy to fix, just > by getting that > part replaced. If you contact Shane Radtke at Gibson he'll > fix you right > up. , 1-800-544-2766 x206 or (847) 741-7315 x206. > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 05:31:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA14924; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 05:28:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 05:28:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 02:27:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Back in the saddle, again... Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com actually, it is the crystals that are connected to the audio codec and generate it's clock that need replacing, for those keeping track. the chip itself was not the fault. It was a pretty strange problem. these days I'm somewhere in between digital and analog. Still an Analog Kid at heart. :-) kim At 1:55 AM -0700 8/1/01, Andy Ewen wrote: >That'd be the Crystal Codec then. I was unaware that they caused an >intermittent fault; from our experiance here, they either worked or not, but >I bow to Kims superior knowledge, (as Geddy once said, 'He's a Digital >Man'). It can't hurt to change this chip so if Shane hasn't got any, I can >always ship a replacement out direct from here. >Andy. :) > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] >> Sent: 01 August 2001 09:31 >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Back in the saddle, again... >> >> >> At 11:55 AM -0700 7/31/01, Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: >> > Unfortunately, my echoplex seems to be broken :< I can't turn the >> >feedback to 100% any more - it's always fading out. It >> doesn't seem to >> >matter whether I use a pedal, or the front panel (though the >> pedal is rather >> >flaky - it could be unrelated). Anyone had this happen to >> them? It's a bit >> >of a show stopper, unless I keep 'filling up' the loop every >> once in a >> >while, which breaks the sonfg structure and confuses band >> mates. I'd be >> >loath to do it live. Any suggestions? >> >> hey Jonathan, welcome back! >> >> there was a batch of echoplexes that went out a year or two >> ago that had a >> component that was out of spec. The symptom was exactly that, >> every now and >> then you would turn it on and it was like the feedback was >> stuck at 95%. >> Most times you power up and it is fine. (that's why they >> slipped out, it >> was hard to detect....) It is relatively easy to fix, just >> by getting that >> part replaced. If you contact Shane Radtke at Gibson he'll >> fix you right >> up. , 1-800-544-2766 x206 or (847) 741-7315 x206. >> >> kim >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >> kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 06:30:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA17654; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 06:27:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 06:27:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Andy Ewen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Back in the saddle, again... Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 05:24:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <5xNAFC.A.kTE.Lm9Z7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh God! I think I'll stop offering advise here; at least until I know what I'm talking about :-( Shouldn't you be in bed Kim? Isn't it 2.30am over there? > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] > Sent: 01 August 2001 10:28 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Back in the saddle, again... > > > actually, it is the crystals that are connected to the audio codec and > generate it's clock that need replacing, for those keeping > track. the chip > itself was not the fault. It was a pretty strange problem. > > these days I'm somewhere in between digital and analog. Still > an Analog Kid > at heart. :-) > > kim > > > At 1:55 AM -0700 8/1/01, Andy Ewen wrote: > >That'd be the Crystal Codec then. I was unaware that they caused an > >intermittent fault; from our experiance here, they either > worked or not, but > >I bow to Kims superior knowledge, (as Geddy once said, 'He's > a Digital > >Man'). It can't hurt to change this chip so if Shane hasn't > got any, I can > >always ship a replacement out direct from here. > >Andy. :) > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] > >> Sent: 01 August 2001 09:31 > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> Subject: Re: Back in the saddle, again... > >> > >> > >> At 11:55 AM -0700 7/31/01, Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > >> > Unfortunately, my echoplex seems to be broken :< I > can't turn the > >> >feedback to 100% any more - it's always fading out. It > >> doesn't seem to > >> >matter whether I use a pedal, or the front panel (though the > >> pedal is rather > >> >flaky - it could be unrelated). Anyone had this happen to > >> them? It's a bit > >> >of a show stopper, unless I keep 'filling up' the loop every > >> once in a > >> >while, which breaks the sonfg structure and confuses band > >> mates. I'd be > >> >loath to do it live. Any suggestions? > >> > >> hey Jonathan, welcome back! > >> > >> there was a batch of echoplexes that went out a year or two > >> ago that had a > >> component that was out of spec. The symptom was exactly that, > >> every now and > >> then you would turn it on and it was like the feedback was > >> stuck at 95%. > >> Most times you power up and it is fine. (that's why they > >> slipped out, it > >> was hard to detect....) It is relatively easy to fix, just > >> by getting that > >> part replaced. If you contact Shane Radtke at Gibson he'll > >> fix you right > >> up. , 1-800-544-2766 x206 or (847) > 741-7315 x206. > >> > >> kim > >> > >> > ______________________________________________________________________ > >> Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > >> kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > >> > >> > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 10:45:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29450; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 10:42:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 10:42:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c11a98$1c989f40$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Determination Of Reasonable Rates And Terms For The Digital Performance Of Sound Recordings Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:41:48 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com SUMMARY: The Copyright Office is requesting comment on proposed regulations that will govern the RIAA collective when it functions as the designated agent receiving royalty payments and statements of accounts from nonexempt, subscription digital transmission services which make digital transmissions of sound recordings under the provisions of section 114 of the Copyright Act. http://mi2n.com/press.php3?press_nb=25643 This isn't a "look and see" kind of post, but rather an encouragement to comment, to those who care about whether they get paid or not under certain conditions of "Internet Play" and other future forms of broadcast. If the only ones that the Copyright Office hears from are big record companies, you can guarantee that the legislation will favor them. So I therefore encourage those of you who produce work for online broadcast to read the above article, which includes the proposed legislation text. Whether or not we get screwed in the future regarding pay for the use of our music may have a relationship to the amount of us that respond to the inquiry. Need I say more? Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.live365.com/stations/218194 * EarthLight Online / Live! 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------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C11A83.47D40600-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 12:13:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02703; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 12:10:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 12:10:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010801120420.02a49d68@pop1.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 12:09:43 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: the electrix repeater Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi. i just joined the list. i've been reading archives for a couple years now, or more and looping for who knows how long. i started out on a maestro echoplex in 1983. i sold my jamman in march and put a deposit on a repeater because at the time it was going to be released in a week. ya right! its now august and still no sign nor word about the release date. does anyone out there, ideally who works for electrix, have some idea when these will ship??? i'm getting impatient. i've put a number of projects on hold pending the integration of a repeater into my work. first, to be released in march, then early june, then late, then july, now its august. help by the way, you can here some loopwork of mine and my colleague paul at www.mp3.com/softwarehere . the tracks are live, totally improvised, recorded straight out of the mixer to DAT at the gig. I build up the bed tracks live in headphones as paul plays zen space guitar. then i fade the tracks in, we jam, loop, fade out and move to a new segment. enjoy! and let me know what you think. brett maraldo plexus@canada.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 12:22:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03336; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 12:20:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 12:20:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: jef lear To: !! loopers delight mailing list Subject: Re: the electrix repeater Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 11:19:34 -0500 Message-Id: <20010801161934.5309@mail.1stconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010801120420.02a49d68@pop1.sympatico.ca> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010801120420.02a49d68@pop1.sympatico.ca> X-Mailer: CTM PowerMail 3.0.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >www.mp3.com/softwarehere love the loops alone. i dont like noodly guitar. nice stuff. jef From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 12:26:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03741; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 12:24:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 12:24:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AALev123@aol.com Message-ID: <3c.f44b707.289986fb@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 12:23:23 EDT Subject: Re: the electrix repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_3c.f44b707.289986fb_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10513 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_3c.f44b707.289986fb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Apparently they were going to ship last week but a software bug was discovered. A musicians friend salesclerk told me that August 31 is now the expected date-- but who knows where that came from --part1_3c.f44b707.289986fb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Apparently they were going to ship last week but a software bug was
discovered. A musicians friend salesclerk told me that August 31 is now the
expected date-- but who knows where that came from --part1_3c.f44b707.289986fb_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 12:28:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03824; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 12:25:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 12:25:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010801122341.02a8a838@pop1.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 12:24:39 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: Re: the electrix repeater In-Reply-To: <20010801161934.5309@mail.1stconnect.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010801120420.02a49d68@pop1.sympatico.ca> <5.1.0.14.0.20010801120420.02a49d68@pop1.sympatico.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks jef. yes, paul noodles for sure. he has an interesting style that i think works for the most part. many times he comes up with stuff that i think is just brilliant! brett At 12:19 PM 8/1/2001, jef lear wrote: > >www.mp3.com/softwarehere > >love the loops alone. >i dont like noodly guitar. >nice stuff. > >jef From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 13:44:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08263; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 13:42:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 13:42:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 13:40:19 -0400 To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" From: Tom Ritchford Subject: [nyc show] gig update 8/1. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just a quick note to keep you all in the loop. Things continue to look good for an October or November slot in, we hope, the main room at the Knitting Factory. dt is investigating headliners and sponsors. While I have you on the phone, let's make a time-table. Call the unknown date of the first show T: T, T+1 or T+7 and/or T+? -- the show(s). kudos, applause, instant stardom T-10 -- last date for advertising submissions and event calendars. (T-14 -- last date for arrival of T-shirts.) T-28 -- last date to have fliers printed. T-35 -- last date to have final flier design. T-37 -- absolutely last day for changes in line-up. T-42 -- last date for changes in line-up. last date for flier design approved. (T-45 -- last date for final LD T-shirt design.) T-49 -- last date for start of flier design. (T-56 -- last date for approval of LD T-shirt design.) So, it really takes us at least 49 days from the time we pull the trigger to the time that we can do the show, and that's assuming we have a final line-up on that date and a flier designed (though not finished). (The T-shirt is really an independent process, I just put it in the chart for reference...) 49 days from today, August 1, is September 19. So we are ahead of the game for the moment... but we lose a day for every day that passes. If we had an completed flier and line-up already, we could cut that down to 37 days! Awright, back to work... I'll update the NYC loopers page on the weekend and another gig update next week. /t .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 13:45:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08327; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 13:42:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 13:42:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3c.f44b707.289986fb@aol.com> References: <3c.f44b707.289986fb@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 13:41:29 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: the electrix repeater Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:23 PM -0400 8/1/01, AALev123@aol.com wrote: >August 31 is now the expected date-- but who knows where that came from ! /t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 14:03:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10317; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 13:59:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 13:59:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <076901c11ab3$4bbb0360$6401a8c0@nc.rr.com> Reply-To: "diatom drone" From: "diatom drone" To: References: <3c.f44b707.289986fb@aol.com> Subject: Re: the electrix repeater Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 13:56:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com then again the musician's friend site seems to think it's showing up this afternoon. the truth is, it's like the sun burning out or the second coming of a messiah(or the first coming depending on your tradition) or the arrival of benevolent father figure aliens. the repeater's coming is much talked about but nobody knows when, and nobody is GOING to know until it happens. but, like the baptists or the unarians or whoever worships the sun, all we can really do is try to be patient waiting for what could be the new hope of loopkind. maybe a blurb on the subscribe page to this effect is in order. Jon > At 12:23 PM -0400 8/1/01, AALev123@aol.com wrote: > >August 31 is now the expected date-- but who knows where that came from From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 14:50:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12366; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 14:47:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 14:47:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 11:50:26 -0700 Subject: Re: Feed Back mixing/ mixers avialable From: Kevin Goldsmith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What ever happened to the Shure AuxPander that they announced in January, this might have been ideal for what you're looking for. I can't find any details about it on the shure site, so I'm guessing it got canned? Kevin -- Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 16:18:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18242; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 16:13:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 16:13:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <200107311726.NAA27525@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Back in the saddle, again... Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 13:12:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2001 20:12:06.0152 (UTC) FILETIME=[3C5AE080:01C11AC6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cool! Much thanks Kim, Andy. I'll get ahold of Shane and get everything fixed right up :> Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 1:30 AM Subject: Re: Back in the saddle, again... > At 11:55 AM -0700 7/31/01, Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > > Unfortunately, my echoplex seems to be broken :< I can't turn the > >feedback to 100% any more - it's always fading out. It doesn't seem to > >matter whether I use a pedal, or the front panel (though the pedal is rather > >flaky - it could be unrelated). Anyone had this happen to them? It's a bit > >of a show stopper, unless I keep 'filling up' the loop every once in a > >while, which breaks the sonfg structure and confuses band mates. I'd be > >loath to do it live. Any suggestions? > > hey Jonathan, welcome back! > > there was a batch of echoplexes that went out a year or two ago that had a > component that was out of spec. The symptom was exactly that, every now and > then you would turn it on and it was like the feedback was stuck at 95%. > Most times you power up and it is fine. (that's why they slipped out, it > was hard to detect....) It is relatively easy to fix, just by getting that > part replaced. If you contact Shane Radtke at Gibson he'll fix you right > up. , 1-800-544-2766 x206 or (847) 741-7315 x206. > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 17:40:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23719; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 17:34:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 17:34:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c11ad2$2a110f60$f1892141@cfl.rr.com> From: "Jehn" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 17:37:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C11AB0.A107E520" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C11AB0.A107E520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C11AB0.A107E520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C11AB0.A107E520-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 18:15:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26384; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 18:09:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 18:09:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010801180459.02a32740@pop1.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 18:08:50 -0400 To: From: Brett Maraldo Subject: Re: the electrix repeater In-Reply-To: <076901c11ab3$4bbb0360$6401a8c0@nc.rr.com> References: <3c.f44b707.289986fb@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <2te7rD.A.jbG.R4Ha7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:56 PM 8/1/2001, diatom drone wrote: >then again the musician's friend site seems to think it's showing up this >afternoon. the truth is, it's like the sun burning out or the second coming MF.com has been updating the expected date of release to be that day for the last 2 weeks. i got an email from electrix today with an update. they are indeed fixing up the software after some problems were found. they said "any day now...a couple of weeks... weeks... another month... a few weeks". nice that they were so specific. :/ call it aug 31 i guess but at this rate i'm thinking of just getting something else. if i recall the original release date was going to be Oct 2000. i suggested they just release the damn thing and fix the software later and issue updates. i don't think they understand how software releases work (ie. you don't have to make the thing perfect) brett From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 19:04:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28408; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 18:55:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 18:55:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: the electrix repeater Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:54:11 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010801120420.02a49d68@pop1.sympatico.ca> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <4L3vHC.A.j7G.PjIa7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here is some relevant info... >It's an any day thing at this point. We actually thought we had it a >number of weeks ago but after doing some serious regretion testing we >realized there were still a few issues to resolve. I can't guarantee >anything at this point. It could be a week or another month. All I can say >is that it is very, very (painfully) close, the boxes are just waiting for >that final cut of software. It is just as painful for us. It's like being >pregnant and 3 months late. >My best guess would be to give it another few weeks. And... Hey loopers, There has been some questions recently about the ship date of >Repeater. We are waiting for the necessary certification of a new, swanky, >power supply. This unfortunately has caused a delay in shipping somewhere >between 30 to 45 days. The upside is that this new supply is way more >compact and lightweight than the previous model so it should be well worth >the wait. I know this is a pain in the butt...but we want you to be >satisfied with Repeaters quality when it does ship. Respect, Damon >Langlois Creative Director Electrix >http://www.electrixpro.com -- TG -----Original Message----- From: Brett Maraldo [mailto:plexus@sympatico.ca] Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 11:10 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: the electrix repeater hi. i just joined the list. i've been reading archives for a couple years now, or more and looping for who knows how long. i started out on a maestro echoplex in 1983. i sold my jamman in march and put a deposit on a repeater because at the time it was going to be released in a week. ya right! its now august and still no sign nor word about the release date. does anyone out there, ideally who works for electrix, have some idea when these will ship??? i'm getting impatient. i've put a number of projects on hold pending the integration of a repeater into my work. first, to be released in march, then early june, then late, then july, now its august. help by the way, you can here some loopwork of mine and my colleague paul at www.mp3.com/softwarehere . the tracks are live, totally improvised, recorded straight out of the mixer to DAT at the gig. I build up the bed tracks live in headphones as paul plays zen space guitar. then i fade the tracks in, we jam, loop, fade out and move to a new segment. enjoy! and let me know what you think. brett maraldo plexus@canada.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 19:28:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30723; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 19:24:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 19:24:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B688C0F.92EED058@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 16:09:02 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: the electrix repeater References: <3c.f44b707.289986fb@aol.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20010801180459.02a32740@pop1.sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_2FJ_B.A.5fH.1-Ia7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My guess is that they have not been honest from the start. I saw what seemed to me to be a fully functional unit at Bananna's At Large in San Rafael, CA. I was there for a very long time and the unit did not crash or malfunction once. Does perfection exist? No. So what's the real story? Who knows, but Electrix isn't saying. Maybe they're still trying to get that power supply right. I think it's funny that they used to post to the list almost every day, and now they are amazingly quiet. Brett Maraldo wrote: > At 01:56 PM 8/1/2001, diatom drone wrote: > >then again the musician's friend site seems to think it's showing up this > >afternoon. the truth is, it's like the sun burning out or the second coming > > MF.com has been updating the expected date of release to be that day for > the last 2 weeks. i got an email from electrix today with an update. they > are indeed fixing up the software after some problems were found. they said > "any day now...a couple of weeks... weeks... another month... a few weeks". > nice that they were so specific. :/ > > call it aug 31 i guess but at this rate i'm thinking of just getting > something else. > > if i recall the original release date was going to be Oct 2000. > > i suggested they just release the damn thing and fix the software later and > issue updates. i don't think they understand how software releases work > (ie. you don't have to make the thing perfect) > > brett From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 19:42:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31240; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 19:36:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 19:36:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3B688C0F.92EED058@zerocrossing.net> References: <3c.f44b707.289986fb@aol.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20010801180459.02a32740@pop1.sympatico.ca> <3B688C0F.92EED058@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 19:34:40 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: the electrix repeater Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark "What did they know and when did they know it?" Sottilaro wrote: >My guess is that they have not been honest from the start. I saw what seemed >to me to be a fully functional unit at Bananna's At Large in San >Rafael, CA. I >was there for a very long time and the unit did not crash or malfunction once. >Does perfection exist? No. So what's the real story? Who knows, >but Electrix >isn't saying. Maybe they're still trying to get that power supply right. I >think it's funny that they used to post to the list almost every day, and now >they are amazingly quiet. Why is "the software doesn't work right" implausible? We all know that software is a very unpredictable enterprise! So they were able to show a demo with a specific unit where they showed specific functions that they knew weren't going to crash. That doesn't mean that there aren't specific, reasonable things that you could do that would cause nasty crashes and lock-ups... or card memory corruption!! /t .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 19:43:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31289; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 19:37:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 19:37:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B6889D3.AED43232@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 15:59:30 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: the electrix repeater References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010801120420.02a49d68@pop1.sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I like noodely guitar, but I'm not into the microtonal deal. Don't hold your breath for the Repeater. Save your money and go for the Againinator, which will probably be out sooner. Mark Sottilaro Brett Maraldo wrote: > hi. i just joined the list. i've been reading archives for a couple years > now, or more and looping for who knows how long. i started out on a maestro > echoplex in 1983. i sold my jamman in march and put a deposit on a repeater > because at the time it was going to be released in a week. ya right! its > now august and still no sign nor word about the release date. > > does anyone out there, ideally who works for electrix, have some idea when > these will ship??? i'm getting impatient. i've put a number of projects on > hold pending the integration of a repeater into my work. first, to be > released in march, then early june, then late, then july, now its august. > > help > > by the way, you can here some loopwork of mine and my colleague paul at > www.mp3.com/softwarehere . the tracks are live, totally improvised, > recorded straight out of the mixer to DAT at the gig. I build up the bed > tracks live in headphones as paul plays zen space guitar. then i fade the > tracks in, we jam, loop, fade out and move to a new segment. enjoy! and let > me know what you think. > > brett maraldo > plexus@canada.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 19:48:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31630; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 19:43:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 19:43:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <38.19c2e565.2899ede4@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 19:42:28 EDT Subject: Re: [nyc show] gig update 8/1. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_38.19c2e565.2899ede4_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10532 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_38.19c2e565.2899ede4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/1/01 1:41:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tom@swirly.com writes: > but we lose a day > for every day that passes. > there may be truth here!.....:)m --part1_38.19c2e565.2899ede4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/1/01 1:41:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tom@swirly.com
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there may be truth here!.....:)m --part1_38.19c2e565.2899ede4_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 20:12:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01516; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 20:06:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 20:06:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Sender: simran@phys-ha2mpkb-16.Eng.Sun.COM Message-ID: <3B689978.115FDF35@Sun.COM> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 17:06:16 -0700 From: Simran gleason Reply-To: Simran.Gleason@Sun.COM Organization: Sun Microsystems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76C-CCK-MCD Netscape [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.7 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: the electrix repeater Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Mark Sottilaro > > I like noodely guitar, but I'm not into the microtonal deal. Don't hold your > breath for the Repeater. Save your money and go for the Againinator, which > will probably be out sooner. > > Mark Sottilaro Actually, you don't need to worry about saving money up for the Againinator. It turns out that if you read the fine print on the pdf of the advance-release Againinator manual (I won't tell you what I had to do to get that), there's a clause that allows for a 120% negative add-on price for certain features that they only describe vaguely. I seem to recall a name something like the beelzebubblian atman-hold feature, but my memory gets fuzzy anytime I try to actually remember what that feature does. There was something in the contract about going down to the crossroads in order to activate the feature. hmmm.... Does anyone know if I actually signed up for it? I have a small band-aid on the tip of my finger, but can't remember how it got there? Simran From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 21:09:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05323; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 21:05:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 21:05:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B68A721.44516928@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 18:04:32 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: the electrix repeater References: <3c.f44b707.289986fb@aol.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20010801180459.02a32740@pop1.sympatico.ca> <3B688C0F.92EED058@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6sR2nC.A.dSB.pcKa7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry Tom, but where I come from when someone tells you something like, "as soon as we get a power supply..." at a point when they're 10 months away from having finished software, you are being lied to. When you're told a shipping date at a point when "nasty crashes and lock-ups...or card memory corruption!!" is even close to being an issue, you are being lied to. Maybe in the sunny love love land where you live, everyone tries very hard at their job and does a great job, but here in the real world, I find people that call themselves "project managers" or "marketing engineers" to talk out their ass on a regular basis. Setting unrealistic due dates is one of their greatest skills. I'd love to here an uncensored version of what's going on at Electrix from an engineer/software engineer. I'd bet we'd all have a nice chuckle. Ha ha Tom Ritchford wrote: > Mark "What did they know and when did they know it?" Sottilaro > wrote: > > >My guess is that they have not been honest from the start. I saw what seemed > >to me to be a fully functional unit at Bananna's At Large in San > >Rafael, CA. I > >was there for a very long time and the unit did not crash or malfunction once. > >Does perfection exist? No. So what's the real story? Who knows, > >but Electrix > >isn't saying. Maybe they're still trying to get that power supply right. I > >think it's funny that they used to post to the list almost every day, and now > >they are amazingly quiet. > > Why is "the software doesn't work right" implausible? We all know > that software is a very unpredictable enterprise! > > So they were able to show a demo with a specific unit where they > showed specific functions that they knew weren't going to crash. > > That doesn't mean that there aren't specific, reasonable things > that you could do that would cause nasty crashes and lock-ups... > or card memory corruption!! > > /t > > .........a new fortune every minute. > ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 21:24:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06295; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 21:18:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 21:18:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010802011819.49833.qmail@web12001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 18:18:19 -0700 (PDT) From: philip raath Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #418 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200108011628.MAA04196@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > ATTACHMENT part 14 message/rfc822 > Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 12:12:49 -0400 > From: "Jehn" > To: > Subject: unsubscribe > > unsubscribe sorry jehn, you'll not be leaving that easily. (bang...head...on...wall...in sympathy and frustration as the cowboys give each other that knowing look.) phil ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 21:25:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06374; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 21:19:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 21:19:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3B68A721.44516928@zerocrossing.net> References: <3c.f44b707.289986fb@aol.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20010801180459.02a32740@pop1.sympatico.ca> <3B688C0F.92EED058@zerocrossing.net> <3B68A721.44516928@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 21:17:44 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: the electrix repeater Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:04 PM -0700 8/1/01, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >Sorry Tom, but where I come from when someone tells you something >like, "as soon >as we get a power supply..." at a point when they're 10 months away >from having >finished software, you are being lied to. When you're told a >shipping date at a >point when "nasty crashes and lock-ups...or card memory corruption!!" is even >close to being an issue, you are being lied to. Hey, those were MY words, not Electrix'! >Maybe in the sunny love love land >where you live, everyone tries very hard at their job and does a great job, Actually, it's New York City (as if y'all didn't know that) so it's not particularly sunny and love love. However, I personally manage to deliver a pretty astounding volume of high-quality code, specifications and documentation myself... and the other people I work with are pretty swift too. But I've been doing it a long time. I expect to see a lot of bugs in other people's code, particularly if I wasn't involved, and I expect that these might take a very long time to fix. I might add that real-time code is the hardest to debug. >but >here in the real world, I find people that call themselves "project >managers" or >"marketing engineers" to talk out their ass on a regular basis. It is pretty variable, but yes. >Setting >unrealistic due dates is one of their greatest skills. I'd love to here an >uncensored version of what's going on at Electrix from an engineer/software >engineer. I'd bet we'd all have a nice chuckle. well, here's a joke. Q: what's the difference between a used car salesman and a computer salesman? A: the used car salesman knows when he's lying. > Ha ha ! Glad to have some more Repeater rumours to waste our time on, I was beginning to actually get some work done. /t .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 21:59:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08389; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 21:54:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 21:54:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.202.178.61] From: "Jon" To: References: <001201c11ad2$2a110f60$f1892141@cfl.rr.com> Subject: Re: unsubscribe Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 18:53:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01C11ABB.418AB360" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2001 01:53:34.0733 (UTC) FILETIME=[F0803BD0:01C11AF5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C11ABB.418AB360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now way! 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------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C11ABB.418AB360-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 22:07:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09912; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 22:03:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 22:03:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <68.12278d47.289a0eb0@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 22:02:24 EDT Subject: Re: the electrix repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sine@zerocrossing.net writes: >My guess is that they have not been honest from the start. methinks that yer guess is off-the-mark. >I saw what seemed >to me to be a fully functional unit at Bananna's At Large in San Rafael, >CA. I >was there for a very long time and the unit did not crash or malfunction >once. the potential depth of features was not covered, in those demos: 'tis most probable that you only heard the basics employed. >Does perfection exist? No. So what's the real story? Who knows, but >Electrix isn't saying. i know..... or, at least i *think* i do. they want the unit to be as fully functional ---as regards the release spec. in the 'manual'--- as possible. it's really close: painfully close, for themall. >Maybe they're still trying to get that power supply right. i don't think so. > I think it's funny that they used to post to the list almost every day, and >now they are amazingly quiet. quiet, because they probably couldn't continue to keep up with the myriad 'probing queries', esp. re: schedule. they sure appear to be trying **really, really hard** to get this first release 'right'; maybe they should never have shown the box that early on..... anyways: don't most folks here have at least one looper, awready? w/music technology, i've -personally- found it to be a grievous (psychological) error to base the direction/quantity of present & future output upon products that are still TBR. (like: 'i'm not gonna write a blahblahblah-kinda piece, until Apple puts out a triple-1.27 gHz machine', etc etc.....) i've found that my 'consumer-in-abeyance' attitude -when it becomes dominant- usually delays insight/exploration of *whatever* tools i have at hand..... that, of course, doesn't mean i stop looking *forward* to/saving dosh for those products --- i just don't wanna let my desire to move forward become 'blocked' by what is ---functionally--- my deep consumerism, oft run amuck..... (thisall from a guy who just waited a few months for a really crazy new instrument.....) just some thawts. looking forward to a fully-functional repeater's imminent arrival! aw, shucks, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 22:17:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10563; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 22:12:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 22:12:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 19:16:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: the electrix repeater Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To add to the new slew of Repeater rumors, I heard Repeater was seen at a trendy after hours club, clinched in a dark corner with Russell Crowe, but then heard he subsequently dumped it for the Againamator... In all seriousness, tho, I'd rather see the unit ship with a few minor beat detection problems than languish much longer. My original Oberheim Echoplex had a couple of "eccentricities", but I was still happy with it... Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 22:21:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10759; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 22:16:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 22:16:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <126.253bafe.289a11bd@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 22:15:25 EDT Subject: Re: the electrix repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 08/01/2001 9:05:09 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: >Sorry Tom, but where I come from when someone tells you something like, >"as soon >as we get a power supply..." at a point when they're 10 months away from >having >finished software, you are being lied to. When you're told a shipping >date at a >point when "nasty crashes and lock-ups...or card memory corruption!!" is >even >close to being an issue, you are being lied to. Maybe in the sunny love >love land >where you live, everyone tries very hard at their job and does a great >job, but >here in the real world, I find people that call themselves "project managers" >or >"marketing engineers" to talk out their ass on a regular basis. Setting >unrealistic due dates is one of their greatest skills. I'd love to here >an >uncensored version of what's going on at Electrix from an engineer/software >engineer. I'd bet we'd all have a nice chuckle. .....have ya ever worked on a record, or a film? that thought might engender some reasonable forgiveness, for 'process'. me, i never pre-order cd's (nor film tickets) when i know that the project-in-question's still in process. (though i'll pay-in-advance for new EDP software, kim, ifya want me to!) dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 22:25:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11404; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 22:20:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 22:20:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010801221722.007db490@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 22:17:22 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: the electrix repeater In-Reply-To: <68.12278d47.289a0eb0@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <5dPV8B.A.PxC.cjLa7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:02 PM 8/1/01 EDT, dt wrote: >w/music technology, i've -personally- found it to be a grievous >(psychological) error to base the direction/quantity of present & future >output upon products that are still TBR. I find it bad enough basing such output on the blind faith that the gear I've already got'll stay operational for the whole evening... 8^/ Gzzzzzttttbzzzz.. In desperate need o' one o' them cord tester thingys, Tim np: Blair Witch 2 (the SCORE, not the soundtrack!) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 23:13:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA17512; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 23:07:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 23:07:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B696C69.E71E053F@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 08:06:17 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: the electrix repeater References: <126.253bafe.289a11bd@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually Dave, yes I did work on a film. I worked for Laurie Anderson on the pre audio production of her "Home of Brave" movie, and I do know one thing: Warner Bros. didn't start running commercials for it until it was "in the can"... oh yeah... that's right. Warner Bros. didn't run commercials for it at all. I've stated this many times, and I'll say it again: I have no problem with "the process" and any resulting delays. What I do hate is CHEESEY SALESPEOPLE like the one who accompanied the very nice and intelligent musician/engineer from Electrix at the Repeater demo. He looked me straight in the eye and assured me that the Repeater would be in my rack by the 15 of June. Can't we tell these people that the earth is going to be eaten by a giant space goat and send them on the first space craft off this rock? Mark Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 08/01/2001 9:05:09 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: > > >Sorry Tom, but where I come from when someone tells you something like, > >"as soon > >as we get a power supply..." at a point when they're 10 months away from > >having > >finished software, you are being lied to. When you're told a shipping > >date at a > >point when "nasty crashes and lock-ups...or card memory corruption!!" is > >even > >close to being an issue, you are being lied to. Maybe in the sunny love > >love land > >where you live, everyone tries very hard at their job and does a great > >job, but > >here in the real world, I find people that call themselves "project managers" > >or > >"marketing engineers" to talk out their ass on a regular basis. Setting > >unrealistic due dates is one of their greatest skills. I'd love to here > >an > >uncensored version of what's going on at Electrix from an engineer/software > >engineer. I'd bet we'd all have a nice chuckle. > > .....have ya ever worked on a record, or a film? > that thought might engender some reasonable forgiveness, for 'process'. > me, i never pre-order cd's (nor film tickets) when i know that the > project-in-question's still in process. > (though i'll pay-in-advance for new EDP software, kim, ifya want me to!) > dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 23:23:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18790; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 23:18:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 23:18:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010802031822.34179.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 20:18:22 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: the electrix repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <126.253bafe.289a11bd@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lean on him David! Put'm in a hammerlock! Don't use the sleeper hold though. We don't want Kim too woozy! John --- Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > (though i'll pay-in-advance for new EDP software, > kim, ifya want me to!) > dt / s-c > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 2 01:29:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA03653; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 01:24:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 01:24:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [205.188.197.57] From: "Scott Anderson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:Peter Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 05:23:05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2001 05:23:06.0029 (UTC) FILETIME=[3593C5D0:01C11B13] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ...the arrival of benevolent father figure aliens... [Jon] I thought they were going to be androgynous. Don't hold your breath for the Repeater. [Mark Sottilaro] -the vital looping function of breathing. Does anyone on the list use "circuit bent" instruments? If so, I'd like to hear your music. Scott _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 2 02:29:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA13339; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 02:24:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 02:24:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B68F34C.D6567B38@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 23:29:38 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [nyc show] gig update 8/1. References: <38.19c2e565.2899ede4@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/1/01 1:41:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > tom@swirly.com > writes: > > > >> but we lose a day >> for every day that passes. > > there may be truth here!.....:)m oh, i dunno. seems like everything will remain the same unless something changes. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 2 03:29:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA20734; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 03:14:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 03:14:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B69A636.36C3769E@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 12:12:54 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Peter References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4QBEp.A.vCF.l2Pa7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you can find any of the "megamouth" toys, you can do some cool stuff without even opening up the circuit. They're mic is very close to their speaker. By cuping your hands or using a plastic bowl, you can make nice little feedback devices with them that are controllable in interesting ways. I also found a pitch shifter halloween toy that has a mic on a chord so it can be placed directly on the speaker. Haven't actually opened up anything yet, but I did a video show where I took an Atari 2600 and stuffed a fork into the game slot and got nice a/v results. Mark Scott Anderson wrote: > ...the arrival of benevolent father figure aliens... > [Jon] > > I thought they were going to be androgynous. > > Don't hold your breath for the Repeater. > [Mark Sottilaro] > > -the vital looping function of breathing. > > Does anyone on the list use "circuit bent" instruments? If so, I'd like to > hear your music. > > Scott > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 2 03:29:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA20613; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 03:13:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 03:13:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: stanitarium@earthlink.net User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 00:07:22 -0700 Subject: Re: the electrix repeater To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <68.12278d47.289a0eb0@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i concur and in the words of a great painter: "adapt yourself to the contents of the paintbox"-paul klee stanner > From: Hedewa7@aol.com > anyways: > don't most folks here have at least one looper, awready? > w/music technology, i've -personally- found it to be a grievous > (psychological) error to base the direction/quantity of present & future > output upon products that are still TBR. > (like: 'i'm not gonna write a blahblahblah-kinda piece, until Apple puts out > a triple-1.27 gHz machine', etc etc.....) > i've found that my 'consumer-in-abeyance' attitude -when it becomes dominant- > usually delays insight/exploration of *whatever* tools i have at hand..... > just some thawts. > looking forward to a fully-functional repeater's imminent arrival! > aw, shucks, > dt / s-c > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 2 04:07:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA24933; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 03:50:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 03:50:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <126.253bafe.289a11bd@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 00:48:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: the electrix repeater Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:15 PM -0700 8/1/01, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: >(though i'll pay-in-advance for new EDP software, kim, ifya want me to!) >dt / s-c I promise, if someone sends us a lot of money, we will get it done sooner. The more you send, the sooner we finish. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 2 05:12:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA02710; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 04:54:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 04:54:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010801120420.02a49d68@pop1.sympatico.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 01:52:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: the electrix repeater Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:09 AM -0700 8/1/01, Brett Maraldo wrote: >hi. i just joined the list. i've been reading archives for a couple years >now, or more and looping for who knows how long. i started out on a maestro >echoplex in 1983. i sold my jamman in march and put a deposit on a repeater >because at the time it was going to be released in a week. ya right! its >now august and still no sign nor word about the release date. > >does anyone out there, ideally who works for electrix, have some idea when >these will ship??? i'm getting impatient. i've put a number of projects on >hold pending the integration of a repeater into my work. first, to be >released in march, then early june, then late, then july, now its august. > >help Just a thought, but you could get a Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro. Maybe that will keep you busy while you wait. it has these advantages over new and not quite released stuff: - available now. - in stock. (for the first time in many many years there is no waiting list!) - you could have it tomorrow. - all the software bugs were found and corrected a long time ago. - every hardware problem that could possibly happen already has and was corrected. - Production quality is very good right now. - it does a lot of things that the repeater won't do, and nothing else does either. - a lot of people use and like it, and that community is available to offer experience and tips. - A huge wealth of usage ideas from real loopers are in the archives of the list and on the site. - decades of collective looping experience went into it's design. - currently on the third generation of it's development, with many ideas and refinements that came from the previous generations. - LoopIV, the fourth generation, will be here real soon now (tm). available to all EDP units, with a whole bunch of brand new loop functions that nobody's ever seen before. or you could keep waiting and whining. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 2 05:20:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA02605; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 04:53:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 04:53:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010801180459.02a32740@pop1.sympatico.ca> References: <076901c11ab3$4bbb0360$6401a8c0@nc.rr.com> <3c.f44b707.289986fb@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 01:49:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: the electrix repeater Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:08 PM -0700 8/1/01, Brett Maraldo wrote: > >i suggested they just release the damn thing and fix the software later and >issue updates. i don't think they understand how software releases work >(ie. you don't have to make the thing perfect) i don't agree. maybe that is acceptable with PC's where everybody has come to expect crappy quality, and it is relatively easy to update. But with hardware products this is not the case. Dealing with updates is a major pain for both users and the manufacturer. And people have the view of hardware that it will be solid and work right. I've found that musicians are very unforgiving of bugs in a hardware product, and I've got the scars to show for it. :-) also, as somebody else noted, real-time software is very difficult to develop and even harder to debug. Loopers are different from other effects devices in this way, because the user constantly interacts with it and the code is very real-time and must be able to respond instantly to do whatever the user wants. There is a huge array of possible states the machine might be in at any time, and the user might hit any button at any moment. Just testing all of the possibilities alone is an enormous job. Even bigger is thinking through all of these possible cases and figuring out what it should do in every one! This is why it takes us years to do Echoplex upgrades. :-) So to me the time Electrix has taken is no surprise at all. When they demoed the repeater for me at NAMM in january, they were still talking about features being added and function details being worked out. And there were clearly bugs. I knew then that they were a loooong way from being done, based on my experience of doing a very similar thing. anyway, I wish them luck. hopefully you guys won't completely filet them before they get it out. (probably you will save that for after it is out and you find the first bug. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 2 08:31:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA25584; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 08:10:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 08:10:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: the electrix repeater Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 07:08:36 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-Ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com But are the prices still out of sight? Steve > > Just a thought, but you could get a Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro. > Maybe that > will keep you busy while you wait. it has these advantages over > new and not > quite released stuff: > > - available now. > > - in stock. (for the first time in many many years there is no > waiting list!) > > - you could have it tomorrow. > > - all the software bugs were found and corrected a long time ago. > > - every hardware problem that could possibly happen already has and was > corrected. > > - Production quality is very good right now. > > - it does a lot of things that the repeater won't do, and nothing > else does > either. > > - a lot of people use and like it, and that community is > available to offer > experience and tips. > > - A huge wealth of usage ideas from real loopers are in the > archives of the > list and on the site. > > - decades of collective looping experience went into it's design. > > - currently on the third generation of it's development, with many ideas > and refinements that came from the previous generations. > > - LoopIV, the fourth generation, will be here real soon now (tm). > available > to all EDP units, with a whole bunch of brand new loop functions that > nobody's ever seen before. > > > or you could keep waiting and whining. :-) > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 2 09:13:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA29423; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 08:58:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 08:58:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: the electrix repeater Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 05:55:00 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com try alto music (www.altomusic.com)... they have the best price. a little more than the repeater will be, but definitely worth it IMHO. kevin > -----Original Message----- > From: M. Steven Ginn [mailto:sginn@airmail.net] > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 5:09 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: the electrix repeater > > > > But are the prices still out of sight? > > Steve > > > > > Just a thought, but you could get a Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro. > > Maybe that > > will keep you busy while you wait. it has these advantages over > > new and not > > quite released stuff: > > > > - available now. > > > > - in stock. (for the first time in many many years there is no > > waiting list!) > > > > - you could have it tomorrow. > > > > - all the software bugs were found and corrected a long time ago. > > > > - every hardware problem that could possibly happen already has and was > > corrected. > > > > - Production quality is very good right now. > > > > - it does a lot of things that the repeater won't do, and nothing > > else does > > either. > > > > - a lot of people use and like it, and that community is > > available to offer > > experience and tips. > > > > - A huge wealth of usage ideas from real loopers are in the > > archives of the > > list and on the site. > > > > - decades of collective looping experience went into it's design. > > > > - currently on the third generation of it's development, with many ideas > > and refinements that came from the previous generations. > > > > - LoopIV, the fourth generation, will be here real soon now (tm). > > available > > to all EDP units, with a whole bunch of brand new loop functions that > > nobody's ever seen before. > > > > > > or you could keep waiting and whining. :-) > > > > kim > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 2 10:12:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA02475; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:50:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:50:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <02e801c11b59$363d2260$3daa5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist #224 Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:44:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <-5xkTD.A.Hk.tnVa7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thursday, July 26, 2001 7:01 PM Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist #224 >In a message dated 7/26/01 5:17:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, billfox@fast.net >writes: >> And LD members have >> appeared on my playlists when their music fits the EMUSIC format. > >id love to see much more of that.....:)m Me too! Unfortunately, I do not catalog my CDs in a manner that lets me track to which list an artist belongs. I can't say, "Hmmm, I need to play an LD artist tonight. I'll just pick one or two from the LD section of my library." Anyone care to donate Excel for my PC? Then I could track such qualities each time I receive a new CD. (It would take years to load my existing library into the database...) The only reason I was able to do a Golden Triangle special focus on my show back in November, 1998, (see http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/1998/focus98.html) was because I had a pair of two-CD sets that the list put together. (These CDs perfectly fit my show's genre format and were of high quality, too!) Unfortunately, since looping is a technique and not a musical genre, not all looping music will work on a show having as specific a focus as mine. Cheers, Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, send email to: emusic-wdiy-subscribe@yahoogroups.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 2 11:43:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08976; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 11:32:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 11:32:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 11:31:24 -0400 Subject: Re: the electrix repeater From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3B696C69.E71E053F@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My one and only comment on this year-old Repeater handwringing: When it finally ships in December, I'll still wait until April to buy one. I'll let you guys suffer through the 1.0 stuff and work out the problems for me! But I do want one! David Lee Myers From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 2 12:05:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10538; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 11:54:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 11:54:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B6A203F.AECE5DAF@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 20:53:35 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: the electrix repeater References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com True, true, true.... however, I'm sure I'm not the only one on the list that feels that part of their craft IS gear wrangling? The glee of a new vocoder, or heavily modified Speak and Spell, or even something as lo-tech as a new Tibetan singing bowl. Striking a balance between the spontaneity that a new "toy" can help along and the depth of creativity that can only be obtained through intimacy with one's gear, is the real trick. Is it wrong to long for a stereo looper? Than I don't want to be right. Mark stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: > i concur and in the words of a great painter: "adapt yourself to the > contents of the paintbox"-paul klee > > stanner > > > From: Hedewa7@aol.com > > > anyways: > > don't most folks here have at least one looper, awready? > > w/music technology, i've -personally- found it to be a grievous > > (psychological) error to base the direction/quantity of present & future > > output upon products that are still TBR. > > (like: 'i'm not gonna write a blahblahblah-kinda piece, until Apple puts out > > a triple-1.27 gHz machine', etc etc.....) > > i've found that my 'consumer-in-abeyance' attitude -when it becomes dominant- > > usually delays insight/exploration of *whatever* tools i have at hand..... > > > just some thawts. > > looking forward to a fully-functional repeater's imminent arrival! > > aw, shucks, > > dt / s-c > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 2 12:36:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13476; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:24:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:24:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: The Great Electrix Repeater Game Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:23:53 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <5MsHBC.A.HSD.b6Xa7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You know what? We should select numbers to see who can pick the date and year closest to the actual ship date! Why don't one of you enterprising HTMLers put together a page and let us enter our dates? No prize is needed... we can just refer to the winner as "Oh Great Wise One!" :-) Then, after it does ship, and Electrix announces another looping follow-on product, we can, ahem, *repeat* the game again. What great fun this could be! ;-) Kevin > My one and only comment on this year-old Repeater handwringing: When it > finally ships in December, I'll still wait until April to buy > one. I'll let > you guys suffer through the 1.0 stuff and work out the problems for me! > > But I do want one! > > David Lee Myers > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 2 12:55:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14961; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:46:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:46:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Sender: simran@phys-ha2mpkb-16.Eng.Sun.COM Message-ID: <3B69838E.DB7F2535@Sun.COM> Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 09:45:02 -0700 From: Simran gleason Reply-To: Simran.Gleason@Sun.COM Organization: Sun Microsystems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76C-CCK-MCD Netscape [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.7 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: the electrix repeater Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh yeah, speaking of heavily modified tibetan bowls, I was at target (pronounced tar-jay?) last night, and happened across the mixing bowl aisle. Picked up the 8 quart brushed stainless upscale mixing bowl and whapped the rim with my thumb. Strikingly beautiful sound! But I could only get the big tibetan-style ringing while holding the bowl upside down. I was hoping to be able to do a rick walker water trick with it, but it didn't ring as much. Then the 6 qt bowl sounded just as good, with a higher pitch. And across the aisle, a rubber-handled vegetable brush made a wonderfull ringing sound when the handle struct the bowl, and cool crinkly sounds when the brush end was used. Needless to say, I I I I didn't manage to overcome my gear acquisition syndrome, and bought all three (total damage: about twenty bux). Look for these bowls performing (through a looper backwards, of course) at an upcoming butoh piece at a tiny obscure japanese box theater sometime in the future. Simran > From: Mark > > True, true, true.... however, I'm sure I'm not the only one on the list that feels > that part of their craft IS gear wrangling? The glee of a new vocoder, or heavily > modified Speak and Spell, or even something as lo-tech as a new Tibetan singing > bowl. Striking a balance between the spontaneity that a new "toy" can help along > and the depth of creativity that can only be obtained through intimacy with one's > gear, is the real trick. > > Is it wrong to long for a stereo looper? Than I don't want to be right. > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 2 13:05:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15788; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:58:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:58:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.4.1 Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 09:57:10 -0700 From: "Miko Biffle" To: Subject: Re: the electrix repeater Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA15674 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My thoughts exactly David! I'm not too excited about being the first guinea pig into the gate either... I can't believe the betrayal some here seem to feel. Marketing has to rely on a team's input... so they frequently are quoting exactly what they heard. (Then being soundly thrashed for daring to do that-which-is-their-job.) I don't blame Damon and his team one bit for backing out of dialog with such hostile reactions taking place. -Miko >>> dmgraph@earthlink.net 08/02/01 08:31AM >>> My one and only comment on this year-old Repeater handwringing: When it finally ships in December, I'll still wait until April to buy one. I'll let you guys suffer through the 1.0 stuff and work out the problems for me! But I do want one! David Lee Myers From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 2 13:07:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16150; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:59:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:59:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001e01c11b74$61643d00$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "MediaOne" To: References: Subject: Re: The Great Electrix Repeater Game Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:54:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am about to set a filter to delete any post with the word "repeater" in it- this is getting really old IMO. Om From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 2 13:33:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18935; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 13:22:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 13:22:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B69A6A5.E5DB9F4E@vtx.ch> Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 19:14:45 +0000 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Great Electrix Repeater Game References: <001e01c11b74$61643d00$7bb387d8@cliff> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com MediaOne wrote: > > I am about to set a filter to delete any post with the word "repeater" in > it- this is getting really old IMO. > > Om welcome to the club Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 2 13:47:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19940; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 13:36:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 13:36:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [152.163.201.201] From: "bob monahan" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: don caballero Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 12:35:54 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2001 17:35:55.0156 (UTC) FILETIME=[95381D40:01C11B79] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com


i'm new to the site and looping, but am currently immersed. i love it. my interest in looping was sparked by a recent recording that is not mentioned on the web site. Don Caballero, a chicago band, released "America Don" last year and it is excellent. Don Cab is also excellent at performing live using the Akai Headrush peadel. i'm not sure if the band is still around, but it is an wonderful CD and very inspiring. track three nearly blew me out of my apartment. I would love to see this CD mentioned on the site. thanks, bob


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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 2 13:54:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20950; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 13:44:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 13:44:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 10:43:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: the electrix repeater Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i don't think so. I don't think it ever was except when there were hundreds of people on waiting lists and dealers could charge list price. that is not true anymore, so you should be able to get the usual street price deals. call alto and find out. kim >But are the prices still out of sight? > >Steve > >> >> Just a thought, but you could get a Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 2 14:48:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27188; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 14:45:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 14:45:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010802144221.02b83fd0@pop1.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 14:44:37 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: Re: the electrix repeater In-Reply-To: <3B6A203F.AECE5DAF@zerocrossing.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com exactly! i've used all kinds of looping hardware in the past, even two revox's with a tape loop a la frippertronics. from what i understand about the repeater, it will be pretty well the ultimate stand-alone looping tool ever. so i am willing to wait. i am willing to wait a few weeks, a month, even two months but we are going on 5 months since i was told i would have one in hand after putting a deposit down on it. hence my impatience. plus that fact that electrix/ivl isn't setting firm delivery dates and the unofficial ones keep slipping. brett At 11:53 PM 8/2/2001, Mark wrote: >True, true, true.... however, I'm sure I'm not the only one on the list >that feels >that part of their craft IS gear wrangling? The glee of a new vocoder, or >heavily >modified Speak and Spell, or even something as lo-tech as a new Tibetan >singing >bowl. Striking a balance between the spontaneity that a new "toy" can >help along >and the depth of creativity that can only be obtained through intimacy >with one's >gear, is the real trick. > >Is it wrong to long for a stereo looper? Than I don't want to be right. > >Mark > >stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: > > > i concur and in the words of a great painter: "adapt yourself to the > > contents of the paintbox"-paul klee > > > > stanner > > > > > From: Hedewa7@aol.com > > > > > anyways: > > > don't most folks here have at least one looper, awready? > > > w/music technology, i've -personally- found it to be a grievous > > > (psychological) error to base the direction/quantity of present & future > > > output upon products that are still TBR. > > > (like: 'i'm not gonna write a blahblahblah-kinda piece, until Apple > puts out > > > a triple-1.27 gHz machine', etc etc.....) > > > i've found that my 'consumer-in-abeyance' attitude -when it becomes > dominant- > > > usually delays insight/exploration of *whatever* tools i have at > hand..... > > > > > just some thawts. > > > looking forward to a fully-functional repeater's imminent arrival! > > > aw, shucks, > > > dt / s-c > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 2 15:55:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31317; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:52:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:52:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ab01c133e8$e2ae7d80$af42f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200108021655.MAA15524@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: GEAR LUST and CREATIVITY Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 12:53:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com d/t's comments about not getting too got up in the gear lust/imminent arrival of a product thing are really spot on. I remember that as I neared the end of my tenure in my last day job at a local music store before I made the frightening and inscecure leap to being a full time musician, that I wanted to buy my first synthesizer. This was in the early eighties and I was able to buy this thing for 50% off retail which made it be a whopping $600 (a fortune to me at the time). What was out and affordable to me at the time was the lowly KORG POLY 61. All my knowledgeable friends said "don't buy this piece of crap, Rick, the latest , next innovation is only six months away and will cost the same amount". I was head strong, though, and purchased it anyway (I was a trapset player at the time and this was a big leap, conceptually for me). Well, I wrote almost 50 pop songs in that interim period before the KORG POLY 600 came out, several of which made it onto the first album I ever participated in. In retrospect, who the hell remembers the POLY 600? or the POLY 61? I've tried to keep this in mind whenever I get tweaked about the arrival of a new piece of gear. You just have to remember what Pablo Casals did with four strings, a wooden box and a bow to keep it all in perspective: the most important thing is that we express our individual and creative humanity on a semi-daily basis. my two cents, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 2 16:04:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00312; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 16:01:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 16:01:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PaulPokr@aol.com Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 16:00:39 EDT Subject: Re: The Great Electrix Repeater Game To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <54.183fb789.289b0b68@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-CxURB.A.t_H.uFba7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, does anyone know when the Repeater will be available? Hehehe...... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 2 16:47:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02636; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 16:38:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 16:38:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Painting Instruments To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.6 Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 16:42:35 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey kids- I was looking to paint my sp808 and was wondering what would be a good paint and sealer to use on plastics and metals-any of you have experience in this?thanks a lot in advance!! c.white From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 2 17:20:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05570; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 17:15:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 17:15:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41D9E6576048D41193410001023BB75B2A3DF3@SYNAPSE> From: Ned Evett To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Boomerang stereo jack Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:19:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C11B98.E1452BE0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C11B98.E1452BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm playing through two line6 flexll 60 watt combos, controlling them via an fb4 and a midi cable. I use a Fernandes Fretless Guitar with a glass fingerboard and the sustainer pick-up, straight into a boomerang. Has anyone ever tried wiring a stereo output jack into a boomerang before? ned evett ------_=_NextPart_001_01C11B98.E1452BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
I'm playing through two line6 flexll 60 watt combos, controlling them via an fb4 and a midi cable.
I use a Fernandes Fretless Guitar with a glass fingerboard and the sustainer pick-up, straight into a boomerang.
Has anyone ever tried wiring a stereo output jack into a boomerang before?
ned evett
 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C11B98.E1452BE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 2 17:37:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06531; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 17:34:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 17:34:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4EF3@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Boomerang stereo jack Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 16:33:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C11B9A.C967A150" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C11B9A.C967A150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Just use a stereo chorus pedal, set to 1.0 phase and depth 0 lots cheaper and cleaner denis denis taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com -----Original Message----- From: Ned Evett [mailto:nede@wirestone.com] Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 4:20 PM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: Boomerang stereo jack I'm playing through two line6 flexll 60 watt combos, controlling them via an fb4 and a midi cable. I use a Fernandes Fretless Guitar with a glass fingerboard and the sustainer pick-up, straight into a boomerang. Has anyone ever tried wiring a stereo output jack into a boomerang before? ned evett ------_=_NextPart_001_01C11B9A.C967A150 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Just use a stereo chorus pedal, set to 1.0 phase and depth 0 lots cheaper and cleaner
 
denis
denis taaffe
-----Original Message-----
From: Ned Evett [mailto:nede@wirestone.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 4:20 PM
To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'
Subject: Boomerang stereo jack

I'm playing through two line6 flexll 60 watt combos, controlling them via an fb4 and a midi cable.
I use a Fernandes Fretless Guitar with a glass fingerboard and the sustainer pick-up, straight into a boomerang.
Has anyone ever tried wiring a stereo output jack into a boomerang before?
ned evett
 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C11B9A.C967A150-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 2 17:40:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06563; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 17:34:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 17:34:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 16:28:02 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist #224 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <059501c11b9a$02e12e70$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 References: <00dc01c11617$dbbc63a0$58aa5cd1@-> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > What kind of a mouth breathing Philistine do you think I am? > Bill what's a mouth breathing philistine? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 2 17:42:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06816; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 17:39:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 17:39:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: Subject: Re: Painting Instruments Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 14:10:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2001 21:38:24.0664 (UTC) FILETIME=[7566D980:01C11B9B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't know if this link will help you any, but it's full of painted boxes. http://www.commonsound.com/3ms/gallery.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher White" To: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:42 PM Subject: Painting Instruments > Hey kids- > I was looking to paint my sp808 and was wondering what would > be a good paint and sealer to use on plastics and metals-any > of you have experience in this?thanks a lot in advance!! > c.white > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 2 17:53:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07489; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 17:50:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 17:50:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Re: Painting Instruments To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.6 Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 17:53:56 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OOPs i thought it said carrion sound i am a jackass thanks! c On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 14:10:00 -0700 "Jonathan El-Bizri" wrote: > I don't know if this link will help you any, but it's > full of painted boxes. > > http://www.commonsound.com/3ms/gallery.html > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christopher White" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:42 PM > Subject: Painting Instruments > > > > Hey kids- > > I was looking to paint my sp808 and was wondering what > would > > be a good paint and sealer to use on plastics and > metals-any > > of you have experience in this?thanks a lot in > advance!! > > c.white > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 2 17:54:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07478; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 17:50:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 17:50:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Re: Painting Instruments To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.6 Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 17:53:16 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hahah yeh i know dave really well heh thanks! c On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 14:10:00 -0700 "Jonathan El-Bizri" wrote: > I don't know if this link will help you any, but it's > full of painted boxes. > > http://www.commonsound.com/3ms/gallery.html > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christopher White" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:42 PM > Subject: Painting Instruments > > > > Hey kids- > > I was looking to paint my sp808 and was wondering what > would > > be a good paint and sealer to use on plastics and > metals-any > > of you have experience in this?thanks a lot in > advance!! > > c.white > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 2 18:02:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07802; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 17:55:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 17:55:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c11b9d$cc3ab720$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "MediaOne" To: References: Subject: Re: Painting Instruments Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 14:55:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ask Zachary Vex of Z-Vex custom pedals- I bet he knows! http://www.zvex.com/ Om ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher White" To: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:42 PM Subject: Painting Instruments > Hey kids- > I was looking to paint my sp808 and was wondering what would > be a good paint and sealer to use on plastics and metals-any > of you have experience in this?thanks a lot in advance!! > c.white > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 2 18:14:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09588; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 18:10:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 18:10:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B69CDCD.AC699E7@club-internet.fr> Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 00:01:49 +0200 From: Emmanuel PERILLE X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [fr] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Beck , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: djrnd3 USA availability References: <3B675AC9.28259A4D@earthlink.net> <3B691201.CC133236@club-internet.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Chris Beck wrote : > >Chris Beck wrote : > > > >> I came accross info for the djrnd3 at loopers delight. > >> > >> Where can I try one in California, USA? Do you have any dealers here? > > > >Unfortunately not. Unique prototype is still at home. > > > >> We've been using a roland sp808 but... how can I put this... it > >>kind of sucks. > >> > >> Looking for alternatives! > > > >What kind of sampling features do you really want ? SP808 - DJRND3 > >comparison ? > > > > > - Chris > > > >EP > > Here is my dream looping device, in (more or less) order of priority. > > I want to pitch-shift independently of tempo, or > time-stretch/compress independently of pitch, in real time, synced to > external MIDI clock. The Yamaha SU200, cheap as it is, does the > time-stretchy part remarkably well. I know of no device which does > the pitch shifting except for the "slice" function on the Korg > e-tribe, which sounds crappy. > > Man, it would be great to be able to directly import ACID or REX files. > > I want to be able to trigger one-shot samples as well as loops from > pads. I want to be able to use pads as triggers (with easy ability > to put the loop on infinite release or to just play it like a drum > machine) or as mute/unmute buttons. > > I want built-in effects that are really simple to use, including a > slicer and a beat randomizer (rearranging the sample slices randomly > in real time). Also of course delay, distortion, compression, > filters, etc. Again the SU200 is great for real-time tweaking and > simplicity, but the Roland has a much better variety of effects > (despite having what must be history's suckiest low pass filter). > > I want to be able to adjust levels of each individual sample on the fly. > > I want a lot of storage space on a built-in drive of some sort with > quick loading times. (Roland sp808 has a 200 mb zip drive, works > great). I want decent polyphony and the ability to use very long > samples. > > What do you think, Emmanuel? When can I have this dream device? :) > > - Chris Turn your PS2 off and go for a grey color MPC2000XL-SE with yellow buttons From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 2 18:36:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10657; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 18:32:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 18:32:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: Painting Instruments Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:27:36 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oops I read this message and thought you were talking about Metasynth. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan El-Bizri [mailto:ssrndpty@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 2:10 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Painting Instruments > > > I don't know if this link will help you any, but it's full of > painted boxes. > > http://www.commonsound.com/3ms/gallery.html > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christopher White" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:42 PM > Subject: Painting Instruments > > > > Hey kids- > > I was looking to paint my sp808 and was wondering what would > > be a good paint and sealer to use on plastics and metals-any > > of you have experience in this?thanks a lot in advance!! > > c.white > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 2 20:35:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17686; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 20:31:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 20:31:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 19:32:23 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Check out my loopers Shirt Design To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <077d01c11bb3$c35e07e0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 References: <20010728202908.21158.qmail@web5103.mail.yahoo.com> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: <7-yIyC.A.6TE.MDfa7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > How about a "Klein Bottle"?: > Alx. are klein bottles better for looping than steinberger bottles? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 2 20:59:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18598; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 20:57:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 20:57:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B69A262.BD3F613D@pseudobuddha.com> Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 19:56:34 +0100 From: Bobdog Reply-To: bobdog@pseudobuddha.com Organization: Pseudo Buddha X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boomerang stereo jack References: <41D9E6576048D41193410001023BB75B2A3DF3@SYNAPSE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1z3ytC.A.KiE.xafa7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you talking about parallel signals on that stereo out? should be super easy. bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 2 21:26:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21009; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 21:23:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 21:23:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B69EC9F.F7DB671@five12.com> Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 19:13:19 -0500 From: JCoker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Transmissions Festival, Chicago, 8/6-8/12 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Should be of interest to any adventureous loopers, for details, check out http://transmit.org. Here's the article from the Chicago Reader: Jim ************************************************** http://www.chireader.com/hitsville/010803.html By Peter Margasak August 3, 2001 Beginning Transmission It was July 12, 1998, and Trans 001, the first installment of the Transmissions experimental music festival, had gone pretty well so far. After almost three days of improvisation, noise, sound art, and post-rock in collegiate Chapel Hill, North Carolina, the organizers were readying the venue, a sports bar called Bub O'Malley's, for the final sets -- a series of collaborations between Eugene Chadbourne and three other improvisers. "They had said we could stay there until about eight or nine o'clock," says director and founder Keenan McDonald. "But as we were setting up...the owner turned on all these TVs to watch a pay-per-view pro wrestling match. We realized that Transmissions was over at that moment." The event had been a grassroots effort from top to bottom: McDonald, then a grad student in communications, and her two primary co-organizers, Ethan Clauset and Julie Shapiro, relied on the generosity of more than a dozen friends and acquaintances to pull it off. All three had dabbled in promoting shows, but none had ever planned anything on such a large scale -- they spent months negotiating with artists, finding venues, obtaining a sound system, and arranging lodging, and while the festival was in full swing they managed to stream most of the nearly two dozen performances over the Internet using a single dial-up account. McDonald ended up about $400 in the hole. Since then Transmissions has grown considerably, becoming arguably the most cutting-edge electronic and experimental music festival in the country. Trans 004, which runs from August 6 through August 12, is by far the most ambitious edition yet. And it will take place in Chicago -- where McDonald, Clauset, and Shapiro, who are all in their late 20s, moved last summer. (Shapiro is now the assistant director of the Third Coast International Audio Festival, a radio-feature competition hosted by WBEZ, and McDonald and Clauset work for Internet companies.) There will be no repeat of the Bub O'Malley's fiasco here: among the Chicago institutions and venues involved in presenting Transmissions are the Chicago Cultural Center, the Chopin Theatre, HotHouse, Subterranean, and Rednofive. Twenty-four artists from eight different countries will perform; among the biggest names are electroacoustic composer Carl Stone, New York improviser and no-wave legend Ikue Mori, and Austrian laptop-music pioneer Pita. The schedule also includes four programs of experimental film and video (all at the Chopin), curated with the help of Abina Manning and Blithe Riley from the Video Data Bank at the School of the Art Institute. At its inception Transmissions focused on experimentation in the analog realm, highlighting the droney space rock of Azusa Plane, the fractured rock of Storm and Stress, and the raggedy free jazz of the Gold Sparkle Band; over the years it has grown increasingly digital, and now almost every performer uses computers in some way. This year's schedule is the first to embrace club culture: an impressive bill next Saturday, August 11, at Rednofive features three major figures in Europe's abstract techno scene, Hecker, Dettinger, and Monolake, all of whom manipulate the fierce synthetic pulse of techno into remarkably organic music. But many of the other artists this year, from La Monte Young-affiliated composer Michael Schumacher to electroacoustic percussionist Jason Kahn to microscopic-sound artist Richard Chartier, are unabashedly cerebral, sometimes creating music with no discernible pulse at all. All in all, the program paints an impressively broad picture of the current experimental music landscape, although Clauset insists that it still isn't all-inclusive. "We're not so concerned with representing the range of current work as we are in putting together a bill that we would like to see ourselves," he says. Considering the level of experimental activity around town, it's perhaps surprising that this includes only three local acts -- Kevin Drumm, Ben Vida, and the duo of Helen Mirra and Ernst Karel. According to McDonald, this has angered at least one better-known Chicago electronic-music artist, whom she declines to name. "I kind of expected that in a small place like Chapel Hill," says Shapiro. "I guess, naively, I didn't expect it to be the same here." Transmissions did present a number of "pre-series" events this spring, which were designed to raise festival awareness and to involve locals. "We tried to focus more attention on local people, but consequently some people have felt like they were relegated to just this series," says McDonald. The unfortunate reality may be that Chicago audiences have come to take local experimenters for granted -- they perform too regularly at places like the Empty Bottle and the Nervous Center to draw enough people to a special event. And McDonald has too much riding on the festival to play the booster: her out-of-pocket losses over the last two years total nearly $6,000. Previous Transmissions festivals were long-weekend affairs, but this year's program stretches out over a week, and the budget has tripled since last year. McDonald admits that the success of the festival this year will determine whether or not it returns in 2002. "I've had to put in a lot more money on the front end than I've ever had to before," she says. "This year is definitely a turning point." For more information about the festival and the performers, visit the Transmissions Web site, www.transmit.org. For a complete schedule, see the sidebar in this section. Postscript After five years as associate editor of the Illinois Entertainer, former New City columnist Ben Kim has been promoted to editor, taking over for Michael C. Harris, who'd worked for the Entertainer in some capacity for 16 years. Harris left to work as communications director of APTE, an Evanston-based educational software publisher. Kim says he has no major upheavals planned, but he hopes to devote more coverage to world music and rock en español. Send gripes, leads, and love letters to Peter Margasak at postnobills@chicagoreader.com. Back to Post No Bills | Other online features from Chicago Reader We welcome your comments and opinions; click here to send us a message. Copyright © 2001 Chicago Reader Inc. SCHEDULE: opening reception/ film screenings: Feedback and Other Signals: Early Video Experiments of the 1970's 7-9pm location: chopin theater performances: ben vida carl stone 9-11pm location: chopin theater ************************** 8/7/01 film screenings: [Block A] 7-9pm location: chopin theater ************************** 8/8/01 performances: helen mirra, ernst karel steve roden michael schumacher 8pm location: hothouse ************************** 8/9/01 film screenings: [Block B] 7-9pm location: chopin theater performances: janek schaefer vote robot randall jones dj kevin drumm/pita 9pm location: subterranean ************************** 8/10/01 performances: loren chasse jason kahn richard chartier hecker pita 9pm location: hothouse ************************** 8/11/01 live interactive broadcast of performances [from vienna, austria]: farmer's manual 3pm-6pm general magic location: tba performances: sutekh kit clayton tujiko noriko hecker dettinger monolake -collaborations 9pm location: rednofive ************************** 8/12/01 film screenings: rescreening of Block A & B 1-4pm location: chopin theater closing reception: 5pm performances: skuli sverrisson ikue mori 6-8pm location: chicago cultural center ************************** LOCATIONS: :: Chopin Theater 1543 W. Division (773) 278-1500 :: The Chicago Cultural Center 78 E. Washington 312 - FINE ART :: Hothouse www.hothouse.net 31 E. Balbo, between State & Wabash Chicago, IL 60605 :: Rednofive 440 N Halsted Chicago Nightclub 312-733-6699 :: Subterranean 2011 W. North @ Damen / Milwaukee 773-278-6600 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 2 21:30:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21628; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 21:28:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 21:28:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B69EDDE.4E85DBD5@five12.com> Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 19:18:38 -0500 From: JCoker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Painting Instruments References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Instead of painting, or instead of painting the box directly, you might consider using 3M colored vinyl, available at most art stores. Everything from primary colors to metallic. I've seen powerbooks that have been decorated with this stuff, a very nice silver & black combo. Jim Christopher White wrote: > Hey kids- > I was looking to paint my sp808 and was wondering what would > be a good paint and sealer to use on plastics and metals-any > of you have experience in this?thanks a lot in advance!! > c.white From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 2 21:39:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19880; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 21:03:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 21:03:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010802210002.007da9d0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 21:00:02 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Painting Instruments In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Go to In addition to all the Reed Ghazala circuit bending stuff, there's some info (sorta well-hidden) about refinishing plastic keyboard cases with enamels, metal flake and sealer to resemble the consoles of alien spacecraft and such. Tim np: disc one of OHM: the early gurus of electronic music At 04:42 PM 8/2/01 -0400, you wrote: > Hey kids- >I was looking to paint my sp808 and was wondering what would >be a good paint and sealer to use on plastics and metals-any >of you have experience in this?thanks a lot in advance!! >c.white > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 2 21:42:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22881; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 21:39:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 21:39:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 20:39:07 -0500 (CDT) From: spaceloop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: who fixes EDPs? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010802210002.007da9d0@pop.ici.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been a lurker for awhile now, I've posted a few times, but now I need help...I need help finding a competent EDP repair person. Every loop I make is very noisy, not noisy like it's clipping but noisy like amplified tape hiss but "digital" sounding. I've replaced the memory and I even put the old OS back in to see if it was a problem with the upgrade. Now, I did have somebody do the gain mod as outlined in the FAQ....but the competence of this individual is/was questionable and the shop he worked at is now closed and I can't find him...incidentally , he was an authorized Gibson technician and Gibson did tell me to go to him for Echoplex issues. Could the mod be the problem? The dry signal going thru the unit is fine, it's only the loops that are noisy...wouldn't this indicate a problem with loop audio path? Any help would be appreciated especially if it helps fix my baby! :-) -- travis salisbury http://www.illuminetdesign.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 2 23:23:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03470; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 23:20:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 23:20:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B6AC0FD.F9C092C7@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 08:19:25 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP foot switch. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I'm thinking of the echoplex, but I want to keep my already crowded floor the way it is. I've got a Rolls MidiWizard. Would I need the foot pedal, or can all functions be accessed via a midi controller? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 2 23:39:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04129; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 23:37:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 23:37:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 23:36:31 EDT Subject: space goat To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sine@zerocrossing.net writes: >Can't we tell these people that >the earth is going to be eaten by a giant space goat and send them on the >first >space craft off this rock? tried that! the ruse was working fine, until the space goat got real hungry & lunged at poor innocent *me*..... dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 02:43:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA13932; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 02:40:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 02:40:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.20010802210002.007da9d0@pop.ici.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 23:39:28 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: who fixes EDPs? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:39 PM -0700 8/2/01, spaceloop wrote: >I've been a lurker for awhile now, I've posted a few times, but now I need >help...I need help finding a competent EDP repair person. the most competent person is at Gibson's repair shop. Contact Shane Radtke at Gibson and he'll fix you right up. , 1-800-544-2766 x206 or (847) 741-7315 x206. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 03:10:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA15937; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 03:07:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 03:07:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B6A4EFE.83CC3D27@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 00:13:09 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: scape goat References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > sine@zerocrossing.net writes: > >Can't we tell these people that > >the earth is going to be eaten by a giant space goat and send them on the > >first > >space craft off this rock? > tried that! > the ruse was working fine, until the space goat got real hungry & lunged at > poor innocent *me*..... > dt / s-c word recipe for the day: put this in the echoplex & reverse parts of it (chop up the rest); blend until cool... "space goat < > scape goat" weird...? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 06:52:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA27041; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 06:42:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 06:42:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010803104139.5344.qmail@web3506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 03:41:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Deveaux Subject: Re: The Great Electrix Repeater Game To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <54.183fb789.289b0b68@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <8okFh.A.GmG.k_na7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 9 more days? --- PaulPokr@aol.com wrote: > Hey, does anyone know when the Repeater will be > available? > > Hehehe...... > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 08:05:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA32013; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 08:02:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 08:02:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001601c11c13$fff22460$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <20010803104139.5344.qmail@web3506.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: The Great Electrix Repeater Game Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 13:01:14 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Resent-Message-ID: <5RQwcD.A.kzH.aKpa7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Maybe the entire thing is an industry joke, and the only 'repeating' aspect of this entire thing is the rumors... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Deveaux" To: Sent: 03 August 2001 11:41 AM Subject: Re: The Great Electrix Repeater Game > 9 more days? > > > --- PaulPokr@aol.com wrote: > > Hey, does anyone know when the Repeater will be > > available? > > > > Hehehe...... > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 08:22:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA32567; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 08:19:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 08:19:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: the electrix repeater Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 07:18:08 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Where can I find more detailed information about the EDP? Has anyone done a side by side comparison of supposed features between the repeater and EDP? Thanks Steve > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 12:43 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: the electrix repeater > > > i don't think so. I don't think it ever was except when there > were hundreds > of people on waiting lists and dealers could charge list price. > that is not > true anymore, so you should be able to get the usual street price deals. > call alto and find out. > kim > > > >But are the prices still out of sight? > > > >Steve > > > >> > >> Just a thought, but you could get a Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 08:46:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA30276; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 07:42:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 07:42:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B6AA32A.CEBF0D1D@vtx.ch> Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 13:12:10 +0000 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP foot switch. References: <3B6AC0FD.F9C092C7@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark wrote: > > Hey, > > I'm thinking of the echoplex, but I want to keep my already crowded floor the > way it is. I've got a Rolls MidiWizard. Would I need the foot pedal, or can > all functions be accessed via a midi controller? > > Mark Mark you wont regret to have a dedicated EDP foot controller for the imediate availability of any function with a midi foot controler you will probably have different banks for accessing other toys in your rig and therefore never be on the right bank when you suddenly will fire an EDP function get the edp its the best looper around in fact get two Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 09:45:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA03811; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 09:39:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 09:39:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 08:38:56 -0500 (CDT) From: spaceloop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: who fixes EDPs? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Kim Flint wrote: > At 6:39 PM -0700 8/2/01, spaceloop wrote: > >I've been a lurker for awhile now, I've posted a few times, but now I need > >help...I need help finding a competent EDP repair person. > > the most competent person is at Gibson's repair shop. Contact Shane Radtke > at Gibson and he'll fix you right up. , 1-800-544-2766 > x206 or (847) 741-7315 x206. > > kim > Thank you very much!! I'll give him a call right now. -- travis salisbury http://www.illuminetdesign.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 09:48:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04097; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 09:42:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 09:42:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: Integrating an EDP (or looper) into live rig, was RE: EDP foot switch. Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 08:40:56 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <3B6AA32A.CEBF0D1D@vtx.ch> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry for being a bit long winded ... What is the best way to add an EDP into a live rig? I am a wind player (sax & EWI), not guitar player. I have been connecting all my synths to a Mackie 1202, and then using my aux bus to add in effects from my Lex MPX1. In fact to add compression, I used the Alt3/4 capability to route all my channels to channles 3 & 4 so that I could insert compression on the whole mix before adding in the effects. My output to the house system is stereo so that I can use IEMs to monitor in stereo. I send the main mix to a direct box that can then convert the mix into either mono or stereo mix, depending on what the house can handle. With all that being said, I am now in the process of converting my rig to a series type set up (no effects busses) so that I can prewire my rig using an Ashly 8 stereo channel line mixer, because frankly I am tired of the 30-45 minutes it takes just to set up with all the wires going to the Mackie. Anyway, I will now connect all my synths (permantly) to the Ashly mixer, along with a rackmount mic pre for my saxes, come out of the Ashly and into the compressor, then next into the Lexicon MPX1 (where I will now control the wet/dry mix instead of at the Mackie) and then finally out to my stereo direct box as before for the house connection. I think this arrangement will help to drastically reduce the time it takes to set up and tear down. The reason for saying all this is ... up to this point, I have been thinking about getting the Repeater (of which I have one on order). But, like many others here, I am tiring of the continuous extensions of delivery and am now considering the possibility of getting the EDP instead. However, the Repeater is stereo and connecting it into my signal (I assume after my effects in the new series setup) path would have been fairly straight forward. But, the EDP is mono (I can't afford to get two for stereo) so how do I add it into my configuration so that I have the greatest amount of flexibility and maintain the kind of sound path that I have become accustomed to. I have never used looping before so I really don't know the best method of connecting everything (ie, pre or post compression, pre or post effects, etc.). Is it handled like an effects processor such as compression, distortion, etc. with all the considerations about optimal signal path? Thanks, Steve Ginn > Mark > > you wont regret to have a dedicated EDP foot controller for the imediate > availability of any function > > with a midi foot controler you will probably have different banks for > accessing other toys in your rig > and therefore never be on the right bank when you suddenly will fire an > EDP function > > get the edp its the best looper around > in fact get two > > Claude > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 09:57:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05138; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 09:52:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 09:52:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RA336@aol.com Message-ID: <127.2695d96.289c0671@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 09:51:45 EDT Subject: alessis repairs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 114 Resent-Message-ID: <7enS2D.A.9PB.Byqa7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ... hey anyone know of a repair resource for Alessis stuff? I have an old QuadraVerb+ which torched on my last tour... not a big deal to loose it, but if I can get it repaired I probably would... thanks in advance if you have a reply. best, robby aceto From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 10:11:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06797; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 10:05:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 10:05:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Andy Ewen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: the electrix repeater Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 09:02:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <7W8aL.A.4pB.S-qa7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not yet, as nobody has ever actually got their hands on a Repeater to know what it will or not do. All I can gather from the discussions, is that it will bring about the end of world hunger and arms proliferation; things the latest version of the EDP software will not do. Kim? Steve, if you send me your address, I'll post you an Echoplex manual, then you can read-up on everything it is capable of, Andy. > -----Original Message----- > From: M. Steven Ginn [mailto:sginn@airmail.net] > Sent: 03 August 2001 13:18 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: the electrix repeater > > > Where can I find more detailed information about the EDP? > Has anyone done a > side by side comparison of supposed features between the > repeater and EDP? > > Thanks > Steve > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] > > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 12:43 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: RE: the electrix repeater > > > > > > i don't think so. I don't think it ever was except when there > > were hundreds > > of people on waiting lists and dealers could charge list price. > > that is not > > true anymore, so you should be able to get the usual street > price deals. > > call alto and find out. > > kim > > > > > > >But are the prices still out of sight? > > > > > >Steve > > > > > >> > > >> Just a thought, but you could get a Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro. > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 10:13:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06876; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 10:07:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 10:07:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B6AD8B9.8FB19960@home.com> Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 10:00:41 -0700 From: Will Brake Organization: Soul Fruit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0407 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: who fixes EDPs? References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------6F843206F8CB4157D6FFA195" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------6F843206F8CB4157D6FFA195 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds like a digital problem. My educated guess would be the A/D or the D/A converters. As you would assume A/D means analog to digital converter and...I'm sure soldering will be required. In you need assistance, email me. I will be out on the road for the next 10 days though. Hope this helps... Be Well Will Brake Soul Fruit Repairs, control solutions and modifications for Musicians spaceloop wrote: > > I've been a lurker for awhile now, I've posted a few times, but now I need > help...I need help finding a competent EDP repair person. Every loop I > make is very noisy, not noisy like it's clipping but noisy like amplified > tape hiss but "digital" sounding. I've replaced the memory and I even put > the old OS back in to see if it was a problem with the upgrade. Now, I did > have somebody do the gain mod as outlined in the FAQ....but the competence > of this individual is/was questionable and the shop he worked at is now > closed and I can't find him...incidentally , he was an authorized Gibson > technician and Gibson did tell me to go to him for Echoplex issues. Could > the mod be the problem? The dry signal going thru the unit is fine, it's > only the loops that are noisy...wouldn't this indicate a problem with loop > audio path? > > Any help would be appreciated especially if it helps fix my baby! :-) > > -- > travis salisbury > http://www.illuminetdesign.com --------------6F843206F8CB4157D6FFA195 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="wbrake.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Will Brake Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="wbrake.vcf" begin:vcard n:Brake;Will tel;cell:248-763-1103 x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http://www.soul-fruit.com org:Soul Fruit adr:;;2900 Rochester Road;Royal Oak;Michigan;48073;USA version:2.1 email;internet:wbrake@home.com title:http://www.soul-fruit.com fn:Will Brake end:vcard --------------6F843206F8CB4157D6FFA195-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 10:40:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08088; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 10:35:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 10:35:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Todd Quincy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Echoplex manual discussion online Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 10:30:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C11C28.DDB809E0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C11C28.DDB809E0 Content-Type: text/plain I may be alone on this, but I don't read manuals. I keep them nearby and refer to them when needed. Thus I never "master" any device, I only grasp key features. Last night I opened my EDP manual to read about Midi dumps and the like. THis is all new to me and although it was straight forward, I was a bit confused and wished i had someone to ask more about it or show me how they use the feature. Here's the point. I thought I would propose an EDP manual study on line. Each week we will go over each chapter. This will give everyone in the group a chance to discuss how they use a particular parameter and espicially what equipment. Not every chapter will of interest to all but for the benefit of all we should go week to week, a chapter at time. My hope is what we all can learn form this will increase our looping experience, I know it will mine. Also it will make a great acrhives. Any takers? openjam ------_=_NextPart_001_01C11C28.DDB809E0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Echoplex manual discussion online

I may be alone on = this, but I don't read manuals. I keep them nearby and refer to them = when needed. Thus I never "master" any device, I only grasp = key features.

Last night I opened = my EDP manual to read about Midi dumps and the like. THis is all new to = me and although it was straight forward, I was a bit confused and = wished i had someone to ask more about it or show me how they use the = feature.

Here's the point. I = thought I would propose an EDP manual study on line. Each week we will = go over each chapter. This will give everyone in the group a chance to = discuss how they use a particular parameter and espicially what = equipment.

Not every chapter = will of interest to all but for the benefit of all we should go week to = week, a chapter at time. My hope is what we all can learn form this = will increase our looping experience, I know it will mine.

Also it will make a = great acrhives.

Any takers?

openjam=20

------_=_NextPart_001_01C11C28.DDB809E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 11:13:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10667; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 11:07:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 11:07:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006801c11c2d$7aa31a20$89456f40@oemcomputer> From: "petr" To: "Mark" , References: <3B6AC0FD.F9C092C7@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: EDP foot switch. Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 09:03:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-MDRemoteIP: 64.111.69.137 X-Return-Path: petr@tryi.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: petr@tryi.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You cannot use Rolls MidiWizard with EDP. Check archives for the list of midi controllers that can be used with EDP. petr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 11:15:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10766; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 11:09:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 11:09:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Andy Ewen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Echoplex manual discussion online Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 10:06:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C11C2D.E5AC5BCE" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C11C2D.E5AC5BCE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Brilliant! This is one of the best idea I've seen on LD. I for one, not being a user, just the chap who has to get them through production, get asked many 'user' related questions and to be honest, the manual can be very confusing. We have talked about re-writing it, but there only a few who know enough to do it successfully and it would take loads of time. Kim is too busy as is Matthias so a collective input would be ideal, with Matthias & Kim correcting anything that is completely wrong. If this went well, I would take all of the explanation information and print it up into a new manual, to be sent out with future production and for current users to have as reference. Kim will have to agree to this, but I'm sure he will see the benefits to all. Andy. -----Original Message----- From: Todd Quincy [mailto:tquincy@sayhhi.com] Sent: 03 August 2001 15:31 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Echoplex manual discussion online I may be alone on this, but I don't read manuals. I keep them nearby and refer to them when needed. Thus I never "master" any device, I only grasp key features. Last night I opened my EDP manual to read about Midi dumps and the like. THis is all new to me and although it was straight forward, I was a bit confused and wished i had someone to ask more about it or show me how they use the feature. Here's the point. I thought I would propose an EDP manual study on line. Each week we will go over each chapter. This will give everyone in the group a chance to discuss how they use a particular parameter and espicially what equipment. Not every chapter will of interest to all but for the benefit of all we should go week to week, a chapter at time. My hope is what we all can learn form this will increase our looping experience, I know it will mine. Also it will make a great acrhives. Any takers? openjam ------_=_NextPart_001_01C11C2D.E5AC5BCE Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Echoplex manual discussion online
Brilliant!
This is one of the best idea I've seen on LD. I for one, not being a user, just the chap who has to get them through production, get asked many 'user' related questions and to be honest, the manual can be very confusing. We have talked about re-writing it, but there only a few who know enough to do it successfully and it would take loads of time. Kim is too busy as is Matthias so a collective input would be ideal, with Matthias & Kim correcting anything that is completely wrong.
If this went well, I would take all of the explanation information and print it up into a new manual, to be sent out with future production and for current users to have as reference.
Kim will have to agree to this, but I'm sure he will see the benefits to all.
Andy.
-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Quincy [mailto:tquincy@sayhhi.com]
Sent: 03 August 2001 15:31
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Echoplex manual discussion online

I may be alone on this, but I don't read manuals. I keep them nearby and refer to them when needed. Thus I never "master" any device, I only grasp key features.

Last night I opened my EDP manual to read about Midi dumps and the like. THis is all new to me and although it was straight forward, I was a bit confused and wished i had someone to ask more about it or show me how they use the feature.

Here's the point. I thought I would propose an EDP manual study on line. Each week we will go over each chapter. This will give everyone in the group a chance to discuss how they use a particular parameter and espicially what equipment.

Not every chapter will of interest to all but for the benefit of all we should go week to week, a chapter at time. My hope is what we all can learn form this will increase our looping experience, I know it will mine.

Also it will make a great acrhives.

Any takers?

openjam

------_=_NextPart_001_01C11C2D.E5AC5BCE-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 11:19:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11137; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 11:16:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 11:16:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: HarryEsq@aol.com Message-ID: <7a.18ad741a.289c1a16@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 11:15:34 EDT Subject: Re: alessis repairs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7a.18ad741a.289c1a16_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10531 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_7a.18ad741a.289c1a16_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit there's a place on old country road in plainview (long island) - i forget the name - the guys at sam ash (carle place) know the name and telephone number - _______________ electronics (of course) - sorry i can't recall more - i believe they repair all manner of keyboards and sound modules - hope this helps - harry --part1_7a.18ad741a.289c1a16_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit there's a place on old country road in plainview (long island) - i forget the
name - the guys at sam ash (carle place) know the name and telephone number -
_______________ electronics (of course) - sorry i can't recall more - i
believe they repair all manner of keyboards and sound modules - hope this
helps - harry --part1_7a.18ad741a.289c1a16_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 11:51:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12179; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 11:46:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 11:46:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Echoplex manual discussion online Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 08:47:04 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C11BF8.DEC0C820" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C11BF8.DEC0C820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Echoplex manual discussion onlineI would participate in this, and I have studied the manual plenty. The manual is great! If you like manuals, you'll enjoy studying this one. I suggest attacking Chapter 4 head on--it's the glossary--and start with "record". See, the problem is, it's in alphabetical order, so you have to keep going back and forth. But I think all the info is there. I look forward with great anticipation to this discussion-- Also to the T shirt, the upgrade and a Repeater (probably in that order). Gary -----Original Message----- From: Todd Quincy [mailto:tquincy@sayhhi.com] Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 7:31 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Echoplex manual discussion online I may be alone on this, but I don't read manuals. I keep them nearby and refer to them when needed. Thus I never "master" any device, I only grasp key features. Last night I opened my EDP manual to read about Midi dumps and the like. THis is all new to me and although it was straight forward, I was a bit confused and wished i had someone to ask more about it or show me how they use the feature. Here's the point. I thought I would propose an EDP manual study on line. Each week we will go over each chapter. This will give everyone in the group a chance to discuss how they use a particular parameter and espicially what equipment. Not every chapter will of interest to all but for the benefit of all we should go week to week, a chapter at time. My hope is what we all can learn form this will increase our looping experience, I know it will mine. Also it will make a great acrhives. Any takers? openjam ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C11BF8.DEC0C820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Echoplex manual discussion online
I=20 would participate in this, and I have studied the manual=20 plenty.
The=20 manual is great!  If you like manuals, you'll enjoy studying this=20 one.
I=20 suggest attacking Chapter 4 head on--it's the glossary--and start with=20 "record".
See,=20 the problem is, it's in alphabetical order, so you have to keep going = back and=20 forth.  But I think all the info is there.
I look=20 forward with great anticipation to this discussion--
Also=20 to the T shirt, the upgrade and a Repeater (probably in that=20 order).
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Quincy=20 [mailto:tquincy@sayhhi.com]
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 = 7:31=20 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 Echoplex manual discussion online

I may be alone on this, = but I don't=20 read manuals. I keep them nearby and refer to them when needed. Thus I = never=20 "master" any device, I only grasp key features.

Last night I opened my = EDP manual to=20 read about Midi dumps and the like. THis is all new to me and although = it was=20 straight forward, I was a bit confused and wished i had someone to ask = more=20 about it or show me how they use the feature.

Here's the point. I = thought I would=20 propose an EDP manual study on line. Each week we will go over each = chapter.=20 This will give everyone in the group a chance to discuss how they use = a=20 particular parameter and espicially what equipment.

Not every chapter will = of interest to=20 all but for the benefit of all we should go week to week, a chapter at = time.=20 My hope is what we all can learn form this will increase our looping=20 experience, I know it will mine.

Also it will make a = great=20 acrhives.

Any takers?

openjam

------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C11BF8.DEC0C820-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 13:03:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15758; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 12:57:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 12:57:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Andy Ewen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: who fixes EDPs? Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 11:54:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The ADC would probably be my first choice to change and the current part we are using is a Phillips device ADC0804CN and is U12 on the PCB. It is a 20-pin device on a double-sided board so requires very careful extraction or the tracks will be damaged beyond repair. I've found the safest way is to use a pair of very sharp flush-cut wire-cutters to cut all of the legs off the device as near to the body of the chip as possible. You can then remove each leg from the board with a soldering iron and a pair of long-nose pliers. This will still leave the holes in the PCB full of solder, so this then needs to be removed using a good solder-sucker. However, having said all of this, I'd recommend it gets checked out by Shane Radke at Gibson in Elgin first as he has one of the 'production testers' that I built, (Kim/Matthias design), and this can really help fault-finding. He also has a full set of parts so all of the socket mounted chips can be swapped out first to see if they are causing the problem. This is very quick and requires no soldering; most of these parts are inexpensive and if it is one of the socket-mounted devices, it will only take a matter of minutes to find it. Andy. > -----Original Message----- > From: Will Brake [mailto:wbrake@home.com] > Sent: 03 August 2001 18:01 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: who fixes EDPs? > > > Sounds like a digital problem. My educated guess would be the > A/D or the > D/A converters. As you would assume A/D means analog to digital > converter and...I'm sure soldering will be required. In you need > assistance, email me. I will be out on the road for the next 10 days > though. Hope this helps... > > Be Well > > Will Brake > Soul Fruit > Repairs, control solutions and modifications for Musicians > > spaceloop wrote: > > > > I've been a lurker for awhile now, I've posted a few times, > but now I need > > help...I need help finding a competent EDP repair person. > Every loop I > > make is very noisy, not noisy like it's clipping but noisy > like amplified > > tape hiss but "digital" sounding. I've replaced the memory > and I even put > > the old OS back in to see if it was a problem with the > upgrade. Now, I did > > have somebody do the gain mod as outlined in the FAQ....but > the competence > > of this individual is/was questionable and the shop he > worked at is now > > closed and I can't find him...incidentally , he was an > authorized Gibson > > technician and Gibson did tell me to go to him for Echoplex > issues. Could > > the mod be the problem? The dry signal going thru the unit > is fine, it's > > only the loops that are noisy...wouldn't this indicate a > problem with loop > > audio path? > > > > Any help would be appreciated especially if it helps fix my > baby! :-) > > > > -- > > travis salisbury > > http://www.illuminetdesign.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 13:48:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18657; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 13:43:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 13:43:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 12:43:10 -0500 (CDT) From: spaceloop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: who fixes EDPs? In-Reply-To: <3B6AD8B9.8FB19960@home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <3qNbG.A.UjE.sKua7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Doesn't the dry audio path also go thru the AD/DA converters?? My dry signal is not noisy. On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, Will Brake wrote: > Sounds like a digital problem. My educated guess would be the A/D or the > D/A converters. As you would assume A/D means analog to digital > converter and...I'm sure soldering will be required. In you need > assistance, email me. I will be out on the road for the next 10 days > though. Hope this helps... > > Be Well > > Will Brake > Soul Fruit > Repairs, control solutions and modifications for Musicians > > spaceloop wrote: > > > > I've been a lurker for awhile now, I've posted a few times, but now I need > > help...I need help finding a competent EDP repair person. Every loop I > > make is very noisy, not noisy like it's clipping but noisy like amplified > > tape hiss but "digital" sounding. I've replaced the memory and I even put > > the old OS back in to see if it was a problem with the upgrade. Now, I did > > have somebody do the gain mod as outlined in the FAQ....but the competence > > of this individual is/was questionable and the shop he worked at is now > > closed and I can't find him...incidentally , he was an authorized Gibson > > technician and Gibson did tell me to go to him for Echoplex issues. Could > > the mod be the problem? The dry signal going thru the unit is fine, it's > > only the loops that are noisy...wouldn't this indicate a problem with loop > > audio path? > > > > Any help would be appreciated especially if it helps fix my baby! :-) > > > > -- > > travis salisbury > > http://www.illuminetdesign.com -- travis salisbury http://www.illuminetdesign.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 13:53:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18826; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 13:47:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 13:47:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 10:47:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: where to find echoplex info Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:18 AM -0700 8/3/01, M. Steven Ginn wrote: >Where can I find more detailed information about the EDP? Has anyone done a >side by side comparison of supposed features between the repeater and EDP? > >Thanks >Steve on Looper's Delight, of course! http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html the echoplex section has playing tips, FAQ, tutorial by Matthias, information on footpedals, and the whole manual as a pdf file. Plus, you could always search the list archives for all the echoplex discussion that has happened over the years. There is a comparison chart between the echoplex and the jamman on both the echoplex and jamman sections of the site. I've been meaning to expand that idea to a big chart showing all possible loop functions and all loopers so you can easily compare which device does what. haven't had time for that yet. I figured once the repeater finally showed up all sorts of people would ask for something like that. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 14:20:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21003; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 14:15:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 14:15:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3B6AD8B9.8FB19960@home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 11:13:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: who fixes EDPs? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com no, the dry signal stays analog and doesn't go throught the audio codec. In any case, it's pretty unlikely that you will solve this problem with an internet mailing list, you should just have shane take a look at it. kim At 10:43 AM -0700 8/3/01, spaceloop wrote: >Doesn't the dry audio path also go thru the AD/DA converters?? My dry >signal is not noisy. > > >On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, Will Brake wrote: > >> Sounds like a digital problem. My educated guess would be the A/D or the >> D/A converters. As you would assume A/D means analog to digital >> converter and...I'm sure soldering will be required. In you need >> assistance, email me. I will be out on the road for the next 10 days >> though. Hope this helps... >> >> Be Well >> >> Will Brake >> Soul Fruit >> Repairs, control solutions and modifications for Musicians >> >> spaceloop wrote: >> > >> > I've been a lurker for awhile now, I've posted a few times, but now I need >> > help...I need help finding a competent EDP repair person. Every loop I >> > make is very noisy, not noisy like it's clipping but noisy like amplified >> > tape hiss but "digital" sounding. I've replaced the memory and I even put >> > the old OS back in to see if it was a problem with the upgrade. Now, I did >> > have somebody do the gain mod as outlined in the FAQ....but the competence >> > of this individual is/was questionable and the shop he worked at is now >> > closed and I can't find him...incidentally , he was an authorized Gibson >> > technician and Gibson did tell me to go to him for Echoplex issues. Could >> > the mod be the problem? The dry signal going thru the unit is fine, it's >> > only the loops that are noisy...wouldn't this indicate a problem with loop >> > audio path? >> > >> > Any help would be appreciated especially if it helps fix my baby! :-) >> > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 14:52:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22357; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 14:47:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 14:47:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B6B1A43.96747890@home.com> Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 14:40:19 -0700 From: Will Brake Organization: Soul Fruit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0407 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: who fixes EDPs? References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------7C06446236848F716339D2EE" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------7C06446236848F716339D2EE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No, the dry signal wouldn't require that type of processing. I can't say more as I've never seen the circuit, but I would assume that true bypass would have been used. It's certainly the best way to get the least coloration of your dry signal. Be Well Will Brake Soul Fruit spaceloop wrote: > > Doesn't the dry audio path also go thru the AD/DA converters?? My dry > signal is not noisy. > > On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, Will Brake wrote: > > > Sounds like a digital problem. My educated guess would be the A/D or the > > D/A converters. As you would assume A/D means analog to digital > > converter and...I'm sure soldering will be required. In you need > > assistance, email me. I will be out on the road for the next 10 days > > though. Hope this helps... > > > > Be Well > > > > Will Brake > > Soul Fruit > > Repairs, control solutions and modifications for Musicians > > > > spaceloop wrote: > > > > > > I've been a lurker for awhile now, I've posted a few times, but now I need > > > help...I need help finding a competent EDP repair person. Every loop I > > > make is very noisy, not noisy like it's clipping but noisy like amplified > > > tape hiss but "digital" sounding. I've replaced the memory and I even put > > > the old OS back in to see if it was a problem with the upgrade. Now, I did > > > have somebody do the gain mod as outlined in the FAQ....but the competence > > > of this individual is/was questionable and the shop he worked at is now > > > closed and I can't find him...incidentally , he was an authorized Gibson > > > technician and Gibson did tell me to go to him for Echoplex issues. Could > > > the mod be the problem? The dry signal going thru the unit is fine, it's > > > only the loops that are noisy...wouldn't this indicate a problem with loop > > > audio path? > > > > > > Any help would be appreciated especially if it helps fix my baby! :-) > > > > > > -- > > > travis salisbury > > > http://www.illuminetdesign.com > > -- > travis salisbury > http://www.illuminetdesign.com --------------7C06446236848F716339D2EE Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="wbrake.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Will Brake Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="wbrake.vcf" begin:vcard n:Brake;Will tel;cell:248-763-1103 x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http://www.soul-fruit.com org:Soul Fruit adr:;;2900 Rochester Road;Royal Oak;Michigan;48073;USA version:2.1 email;internet:wbrake@home.com title:http://www.soul-fruit.com fn:Will Brake end:vcard --------------7C06446236848F716339D2EE-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 15:43:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25476; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 15:40:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 15:40:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 14:40:22 -0500 (CDT) From: spaceloop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: who fixes EDPs? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <0o71LC.A.1NG.j4va7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, Andy Ewen wrote: > However, having said all of this, I'd recommend it gets checked out by Shane > Radke at Gibson in Elgin first as he has one of the 'production testers' > that I built, (Kim/Matthias design), and this can really help fault-finding. > He also has a full set of parts so all of the socket mounted chips can be > swapped out first to see if they are causing the problem. This is very quick > and requires no soldering; most of these parts are inexpensive and if it is > one of the socket-mounted devices, it will only take a matter of minutes to > find it. > > Andy. That process is a little beyond my skill level and I like my EDP too much to try it. I did call Shane and he wants to look at it. Shane called me back within 2 hours and was more than helpful, I feel very confident to send him the unit. Thanks again for all the advice, at least I have a good idea of what it's going to take to resolve the issue. -- travis salisbury http://www.illuminetdesign.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 15:45:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25567; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 15:42:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 15:42:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 14:42:19 -0500 (CDT) From: spaceloop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: who fixes EDPs? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, Kim Flint wrote: > no, the dry signal stays analog and doesn't go throught the audio codec. In > any case, it's pretty unlikely that you will solve this problem with an > internet mailing list, you should just have shane take a look at it. > kim > > Thanks again Kim! Shane is easy to work with and was very interested in helping me. I even told him that you said he was the most competent EDP repair guy...he said that was sweet of you. :-) -- travis salisbury http://www.illuminetdesign.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 15:49:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25741; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 15:44:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 15:44:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 14:43:36 -0500 (CDT) From: spaceloop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: who fixes EDPs? In-Reply-To: <3B6B1A43.96747890@home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Okay cool, that's good to know. I'll let you guys know what the problem is as soon as Shane sees it. Thanks! On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, Will Brake wrote: > No, the dry signal wouldn't require that type of processing. I can't say > more as I've never seen the circuit, but I would assume that true bypass > would have been used. It's certainly the best way to get the least > coloration of your dry signal. > > Be Well > > Will Brake > Soul Fruit > > spaceloop wrote: > > > > Doesn't the dry audio path also go thru the AD/DA converters?? My dry > > signal is not noisy. > > > > On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, Will Brake wrote: > > > > > Sounds like a digital problem. My educated guess would be the A/D or the > > > D/A converters. As you would assume A/D means analog to digital > > > converter and...I'm sure soldering will be required. In you need > > > assistance, email me. I will be out on the road for the next 10 days > > > though. Hope this helps... > > > > > > Be Well > > > > > > Will Brake > > > Soul Fruit > > > Repairs, control solutions and modifications for Musicians > > > > > > spaceloop wrote: > > > > > > > > I've been a lurker for awhile now, I've posted a few times, but now I need > > > > help...I need help finding a competent EDP repair person. Every loop I > > > > make is very noisy, not noisy like it's clipping but noisy like amplified > > > > tape hiss but "digital" sounding. I've replaced the memory and I even put > > > > the old OS back in to see if it was a problem with the upgrade. Now, I did > > > > have somebody do the gain mod as outlined in the FAQ....but the competence > > > > of this individual is/was questionable and the shop he worked at is now > > > > closed and I can't find him...incidentally , he was an authorized Gibson > > > > technician and Gibson did tell me to go to him for Echoplex issues. Could > > > > the mod be the problem? The dry signal going thru the unit is fine, it's > > > > only the loops that are noisy...wouldn't this indicate a problem with loop > > > > audio path? > > > > > > > > Any help would be appreciated especially if it helps fix my baby! :-) > > > > > > > > -- > > > > travis salisbury > > > > http://www.illuminetdesign.com > > > > -- > > travis salisbury > > http://www.illuminetdesign.com -- travis salisbury http://www.illuminetdesign.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 15:50:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26007; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 15:47:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 15:47:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007701c11c54$6f712080$0fa5e0d5@pandora.be> From: "Troissoeur" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 21:42:31 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0074_01C11C65.32E927A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0074_01C11C65.32E927A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_0074_01C11C65.32E927A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0074_01C11C65.32E927A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 16:33:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28827; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 16:28:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 16:28:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ed01c11c59$5326bfc0$8fad5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #228 Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 16:16:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed with a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #228 August 2, 2001. RECAP: On this show, I began a month-long focus on Radio Massacre International (RMI), a group from the UK that embraces improvisational emusic even in the studio. The feature CD at midnight was "Zabriskie Point" released on the Centaur label. RMI http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2001/focus01.html#aug PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Paul Ellis Into the Liquid Unknown Into the Liquid Unknown (Binary) Robert Carty Near That Place Midnight Rainbows (Deep Sky) Dweller at the Threshold After Logic Fails Ouroborus (Binary) Saul Stokes The Twin Worlds of Abstraction (Green House) Abstraction Something Completely Sayer 1 Promotion Disc 1 (none) Different Rod Modell & Vitamin M * Sonic Continuum (Hypnos) Michael Mantra 12:00 am RMI Dante's View Zabriskie Point (Centaur) RMI Zabriskie Point * Zabriskie Point (Centaur) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Radio Massacre International. The feature CD at midnight will be "Knutsford in May" on the Centaur label. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, send email to: emusic-wdiy-subscribe@yahoogroups.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 17:54:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00534; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 17:50:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 17:50:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Echoplex manual discussion online Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 14:48:49 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all-- I figured I would jump right in on this-- BTW, Kim prefers plain text to HTML-- The MIDI dump is not the most elegant feature of the EDP. I have not tried this feature, but because the sample size is huge and MIDI sample dump is slow, most people don't use it. I do know from what I have heard that using a handshake (MIDI In and Out) makes it faster. I believe most folks just resample with whatever digital audio recorder they are using (computer, hardware, whatever). Was there a specific problem or question? As far as record (which is, as the manual says, "where it all starts"), there are a few options here--ending with a different button, setting RecordMode to sustain, the long press--but mostly, record is pretty straight forward. Anybody? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 18:21:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02612; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 18:16:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 18:16:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <02e601c11c69$5a9d8120$8fad5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist #224 Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 18:12:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: jim palmer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thursday, August 02, 2001 5:36 PM Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist #224 >> What kind of a mouth breathing Philistine do you think I am? >> Bill >what's a mouth breathing philistine? Have you ever noticed someone who breathes through their mouth (slack jaw) instead of their nose? Don't they look less intelligent than nose breathers? Recall your bible stories to learn about Philistines (David and Goliath). Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 19:01:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03827; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 18:54:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 18:54:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 17:42:55 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist #224 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <0ac801c11c6d$a375bda0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 References: <02e601c11c69$5a9d8120$8fad5cd1@-> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > >> What kind of a mouth breathing Philistine do you think I am? > >> Bill > >what's a mouth breathing philistine? > > Have you ever noticed someone who breathes through their mouth (slack jaw) > instead of their nose? Don't they look less intelligent than nose breathers? > Recall your bible stories to learn about Philistines (David and Goliath). > > Cheers, > > Bill > lol. i'm now self consciously breathing through my nose. does not knowing what one is make you one? i am kinda tall, too.... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 19:55:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07024; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 19:50:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 19:50:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010803235000.67093.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 16:50:00 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist #224 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0ac801c11c6d$a375bda0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <8-MlLC.A.LtB.qiza7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Chewing Gum was invented to camoflague this disorder. --- jim palmer wrote: > > > > >> What kind of a mouth breathing Philistine do > you think I am? > > >> Bill > > >what's a mouth breathing philistine? > > > > Have you ever noticed someone who breathes through > their mouth (slack jaw) > > instead of their nose? Don't they look less > intelligent than nose breathers? > > Recall your bible stories to learn about > Philistines (David and Goliath). > > > > Cheers, > > > > Bill > > > > lol. > i'm now self consciously breathing through my nose. > does not knowing what one is make you one? > i am kinda tall, too.... > > > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 19:57:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07093; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 19:51:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 19:51:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.4.1 Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 15:51:38 -0700 From: "Miko Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Echoplex manual discussion online Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id TAA07065 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (Selfish interest mode on...) OK... I want to know if you can insert (replace mode) while multiplying? The other modes don't seem to apply here because they mess with the time structure of the multiply, but I'd love to have the ability to replace while doing a multiply. Anyone? -Miko >>> healthquestrecruiter@earthlink.net 08/03/01 02:48PM >>> Hi all-- I figured I would jump right in on this-- BTW, Kim prefers plain text to HTML-- The MIDI dump is not the most elegant feature of the EDP. I have not tried this feature, but because the sample size is huge and MIDI sample dump is slow, most people don't use it. I do know from what I have heard that using a handshake (MIDI In and Out) makes it faster. I believe most folks just resample with whatever digital audio recorder they are using (computer, hardware, whatever). Was there a specific problem or question? As far as record (which is, as the manual says, "where it all starts"), there are a few options here--ending with a different button, setting RecordMode to sustain, the long press--but mostly, record is pretty straight forward. Anybody? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 21:43:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13507; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 21:38:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 21:38:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Echoplex manual discussion online Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 18:38:47 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Miko queried: >>OK... I want to know if you can insert (replace mode) while multiplying? The other modes don't seem to apply here because they mess with the time structure of the multiply, but I'd love to have the ability to replace while doing a multiply. Anyone? So I gave it a whiz! And it sure does replace! 'Course I had to turn the quantize off, as well as setting insert to replace, but when I multiplied and then inserted DURING multiply, it elegantly inserted audio which did not include the material being multiplied! Wow! Flexible little beast, the EDP! And then I put my little defaults back in place--but this puppy does some pretty slick tricks (AND it's available in stores!). Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 22:11:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15579; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 22:09:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 22:09:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010803220557.007cec90@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 22:05:57 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Kill switch? In-Reply-To: <94.172603cc.288c43b4@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com After messing about with the Boss RC-20 for about a month now, I'd have to say that my biggest problem with it is the lack of separate wet and dry outputs. Because there's only the one combined out, when I'm not actually overdubbing onto the loop, the straight signal gangs up with the signal that's going through its own channel on the board, resulting in a boosted straight input when I'm playing and a comparative drop in the loop's volume when I'm not. It also messes with the straight signal's pan position when I'm doing a stereo spread. I'd love to be able to turn down the dry signal since it's already being amplified on another channel. The Headrush has the same problem, but it seems even more pronounced on the Boss. This brings me to my question: does anyone know of an available device which would function as a kill switch for the dry signal going into the looper? It would be like putting a volume pedal on the input signal, except that it would be either on or off with no intermediate travel, it must have a very small footprint due to limited available remaining pedalboard real estate, and it would preferably have an LED to indicate signal pass/bypass status. I suppose I could wire up a simple version myself with no LED, or use an A/B box and connect only one of the outputs, but I would like to know if anyone makes a switch pedal specifically designed for this purpose. Tim np: Mick Karn: the tooth mother From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 22:30:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16219; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 22:28:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 22:28:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAuEwgRmKilXJDJGgKr/Dw2UzxzHQCFBj54P5qXKmITt6Rn2MZAITU/iOD From: Graymalkin@webtv.net (Douglas Crouse) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 22:28:27 -0400 (EDT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Kill switch? Message-ID: <10447-3B6B5DCB-1979@storefull-613.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Tim Nelson 's message of Fri, 03 Aug 2001 22:05:57 -0400 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-12652-950 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Stationery: Standard; BGColor=#f5deb3; TextColor=#006400 MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --WebTV-Mail-12652-950 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit There have been quite a few posts recently from members regarding methods for overcoming the inherent shortcomings and design flaws of the Boss RC-20. There is a universal solution which many RC-20 users have found quite effective: Sell it to some po' foo' on eBay and buy a Boomerang. Hope this helps. --WebTV-Mail-12652-950 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit --WebTV-Mail-12652-950-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 22:51:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17001; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 22:49:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 22:49:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010803224549.007df8a0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 22:45:49 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Kill switch? In-Reply-To: <10447-3B6B5DCB-1979@storefull-613.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:28 PM 8/3/01 -0400, you wrote: >Sell it to some po' foo' on eBay and buy a Boomerang. >Hope this helps. Well, not really, as it didn't address the question I asked. The question itself concerned mute switches, not the RC-20. -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 00:40:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22851; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 00:38:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 00:38:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 21:42:23 -0700 Subject: Re: the electrix repeater From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3B68A721.44516928@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's my guess as to what's happening at Electrix. Software is hard. Big software is really hard. People who've written small pieces of software and had them work don't always realize that it doesn't all just scale linearly. Add to that the fact that there are probably a lot of time-dependent and parallel operations going on in the unit and you've got a debugging nightmare. Things go wrong but you can't make them go wrong again. So, if you'd be prepared to only do the things they demo'd in the sequence and with the timing they demo'd them, you'd probably be fine. Some tester probably didn't stick to the script and had something bad happen, but they are having a horrendous time reproducing it reliably. My first job in the commercial software industry was working for Ann Arbor Softworks. At the time A2S was famous for FullWrite Professional being vaporware (though in total it was less than a year late). I joined at a point where we spent several months operating under the lines: (a) we'll be done in two weeks and (b) if we don't ship in two weeks we're going to go out of business. A few years later I was talking to one of the lead engineers on the team and he confessed that he'd realized afterward that he and the other lead engineer could hold about two weeks worth of work in their heads. Hence when asked how long it would take to finish, they'd reflect for a while and come up with the answer "Two weeks". My question is: Has anyone at Electrix read _The Mythical Man-Month_? Mark on 8/1/01 6:04 PM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > I'd love to here an > uncensored version of what's going on at Electrix from an engineer/software > engineer. I'd bet we'd all have a nice chuckle. > > Ha ha From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 01:18:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA24998; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 01:17:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 01:17:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 01:11:09 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: OT Re: the electrix repeater/estimating software jobs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <_uin6B.A.BFG.sU4a7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As a professional software developer currently involved in very complex video effects software, I can sympathize. Here is my partly tongue-in-cheek algorithm for estimating a software job. 1. Estimate the amount of time the job would take if nothing went wrong. 2. Allow for the fact that things will surely go wrong, as they have in the past, and double it. 3. Allow for the fact that, in addition to the things that have gone wrong in the past, new things will go wrong. These will be even harder to fix, so double the estimate again. 4. One of the things most likely to go wrong is the initial estimate i step 1. Allow for this by doubling your estimate again. If you work hard, and are reasonably lucky, you won't exceed this estimate by more than 100%. Although the above analysis was conceived of as a joke, I suspect that it would be reasonably accurate at estimating software jobs. Back to tweaking loops on a Nord Modular so I can twist the input of s sax player friend who is coming by tomorrow.-:) At 9:42 PM -0700 8/3/01, Mark Hamburg wrote: >Here's my guess as to what's happening at Electrix. Software is hard. Big >software is really hard. People who've written small pieces of software and >had them work don't always realize that it doesn't all just scale linearly. > >Add to that the fact that there are probably a lot of time-dependent and >parallel operations going on in the unit and you've got a debugging >nightmare. Things go wrong but you can't make them go wrong again. > >So, if you'd be prepared to only do the things they demo'd in the sequence >and with the timing they demo'd them, you'd probably be fine. Some tester >probably didn't stick to the script and had something bad happen, but they >are having a horrendous time reproducing it reliably. > >My first job in the commercial software industry was working for Ann Arbor >Softworks. At the time A2S was famous for FullWrite Professional being >vaporware (though in total it was less than a year late). I joined at a >point where we spent several months operating under the lines: (a) we'll be >done in two weeks and (b) if we don't ship in two weeks we're going to go >out of business. A few years later I was talking to one of the lead >engineers on the team and he confessed that he'd realized afterward that he >and the other lead engineer could hold about two weeks worth of work in >their heads. Hence when asked how long it would take to finish, they'd >reflect for a while and come up with the answer "Two weeks". > >My question is: Has anyone at Electrix read _The Mythical Man-Month_? > >Mark > >on 8/1/01 6:04 PM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > >> I'd love to here an >> uncensored version of what's going on at Electrix from an engineer/software > > engineer. I'd bet we'd all have a nice chuckle. > > > > Ha ha -- "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world. The unreasonable man persists in adapting the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 01:35:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA25656; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 01:32:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 01:32:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 01:32:00 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: OT Re: the electrix repeater/estimating software jobs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Here is my partly tongue-in-cheek algorithm for estimating a software job. [double it, double it, etc...] hehehehe... my friend Colin Park has a rule: "move the estimate up to the next highest timescale and add three". so if someone says 2 days, it's 5 weeks. 3 months, that means 6 years. This is oldschool though and an abrogation of your job as a software designer. (add smileys to taste!) See , . These techniques really work in practical situations... /t .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 01:35:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA25697; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 01:33:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 01:33:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B6B88DF.11104F73@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 22:32:15 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT Re: the electrix repeater/estimating software jobs References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What video software? Huh? Huh? It's a bit off topic BUT I've used video loops triggered via midi using both Vidvox and Arkaos, and I believe "Looper's Delight" says nothing about visual loops, but we can always take this off the list. I find that the farther "out" my music is, it is better received by non "out" music listeners if it has a visual component. Mark "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" wrote: > As a professional software developer currently involved in very > complex video effects software, I can sympathize. > > Here is my partly tongue-in-cheek algorithm for estimating a software job. > > 1. Estimate the amount of time the job would take if nothing went wrong. > 2. Allow for the fact that things will surely go wrong, as they > have in the past, and double it. > 3. Allow for the fact that, in addition to the things that have > gone wrong in the past, new things will go wrong. These will be even > harder to fix, so double the estimate again. > 4. One of the things most likely to go wrong is the initial > estimate i step 1. Allow for this by doubling your estimate again. > > If you work hard, and are reasonably lucky, you won't exceed this > estimate by more than 100%. > > Although the above analysis was conceived of as a joke, I suspect > that it would be reasonably accurate at estimating software jobs. > > Back to tweaking loops on a Nord Modular so I can twist the input of > s sax player friend who is coming by tomorrow.-:) > > At 9:42 PM -0700 8/3/01, Mark Hamburg wrote: > >Here's my guess as to what's happening at Electrix. Software is hard. Big > >software is really hard. People who've written small pieces of software and > >had them work don't always realize that it doesn't all just scale linearly. > > > >Add to that the fact that there are probably a lot of time-dependent and > >parallel operations going on in the unit and you've got a debugging > >nightmare. Things go wrong but you can't make them go wrong again. > > > >So, if you'd be prepared to only do the things they demo'd in the sequence > >and with the timing they demo'd them, you'd probably be fine. Some tester > >probably didn't stick to the script and had something bad happen, but they > >are having a horrendous time reproducing it reliably. > > > >My first job in the commercial software industry was working for Ann Arbor > >Softworks. At the time A2S was famous for FullWrite Professional being > >vaporware (though in total it was less than a year late). I joined at a > >point where we spent several months operating under the lines: (a) we'll be > >done in two weeks and (b) if we don't ship in two weeks we're going to go > >out of business. A few years later I was talking to one of the lead > >engineers on the team and he confessed that he'd realized afterward that he > >and the other lead engineer could hold about two weeks worth of work in > >their heads. Hence when asked how long it would take to finish, they'd > >reflect for a while and come up with the answer "Two weeks". > > > >My question is: Has anyone at Electrix read _The Mythical Man-Month_? > > > >Mark > > > >on 8/1/01 6:04 PM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > > > >> I'd love to here an > >> uncensored version of what's going on at Electrix from an engineer/software > > > engineer. I'd bet we'd all have a nice chuckle. > > > > > > Ha ha > > -- > > "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world. The unreasonable man > persists in adapting the world to himself. Therefore, all progress > depends on the unreasonable man. > > -- George Bernard Shaw > > Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. > Video Producer Image Processing Specialist > Video for your HEAD! Boris FX > http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 02:02:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA25222; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 01:21:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 01:21:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 01:20:33 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: the electrix repeater Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >My question is: Has anyone at Electrix read _The Mythical Man-Month_? Now we're getting VERY OT, but I doubt the problems with the Repeater have to do with the phenomena described in "The Mythical Man-Month," which mainly deals with the problem of scale and larger projects. I doubt that there are THAT many programmers working on the Repeater. It's not that large a program. There are parts that are very *difficult*, like the pitch/time shifting for example, but there just aren't that many parts you could divide the problem up into! I'd be surprised if there were more then half a dozen programmers involved in the Repeater. I wouldn't be surprised if the number was four and the technical lead (which is the correct number for that project -- one person doing the operating system, one person doing the pitch and time-shifting, one person doing the playback, and one person doing the time sequencing and synchronizing). No, I'm sure the problem is that they have built a complex system and there emergent phenomena of an undesirable nature (what we call "bugs"). Emergent phenomena are things that a whole system does that are not obvious from looking at the separate parts. They can be good or bad. Real instruments have both good and "bad" emergent phenomena. Things like "wolf tones" on a guitar or "throat notes" on a clarinet are "bad". Things like harmonics or overtones are good. Computer programs beyond a certain size have emergent phenomena that are almost always "bad" and even just bad like hang-ups, crashes or corruption. The reason is that the program world just doesn't force you to completely specify things in the same way the real world does. The programmers make mistakes which aren't immediately caught because there is no specification that completely proves the program correct. Real-time programming is worse. The programmers have a rough, informal model of what possible real-time events can occur and when. But it's kept in the back of their heads and not completely put on paper. Since the model is never formalized, you can't examine it to see if there are any assumptions about the state of the system that can't be justified. The solution is painful. Each section must be taken apart and completely specified. Any section that doesn't have a clear and unambiguous specification should be taken apart and refactored until it is. And the entire timeline of possible real-time events needs to be completely specified so you KNOW what events can occur, when. I know whereof I speak, because I have done just this to a real-time Java animation program over the last eight weeks. BUT I've been programming for a living since 1979 and it's only very recently I got completely rigorous. So I know very very well what it's like to have a completely mysterious bug that you are *never* able to fix... /t .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 02:27:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA28401; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 02:26:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 02:26:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00cd01c11cae$7397cce0$e742f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200108040602.CAA27747@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: OT: VISUAL LOOPING question for Mark Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 23:26:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Mark, I'm fascinated by the concept of visual looping. Can you tell me a little about your work? What programs do you use? What platform are you on (Mac or PC)? Do you use 'found' or sampled images or do you film or animate your own? What kind of equipment do you use to project live? I can't seem to find computer projectors for under $2500-$3000. which is way out of my league. I see images all the time that I would love to loop and project while I improvise my looping music, I think of that phenomenal sequence of the leaves whirling about in American Beauty........just one of the most sublime existential moments in film history if you ask me (that's a gorgeous understated score by thomas newman -- thanks jon durant for that recommendation). I have an incredible sequence on video from a british mystery series where you see an out of focus image of several objects moving by from right to left with a strange and industrial sounding random glassy sound going on in the background. It takes about thirty seconds to come into focus, by which time you realize that you are looking across several production lines at a glass factory. I took the audio samples and found several beautiful, serendipitous and musical loops out of the glasses rhythmically clinking. I'd love to make a 20 second visual loop out of that. Even crude animation or black and white, grainy super 8 films would be great to loop. I am reminded of a piece also, that Laurie Anderson did on tour years ago. The huge screen was dark green, out of focus with dayglo lime green tracers running randomly across the screen. It took the better part of the piece of music (which I can't even remember any more, if that tells you anything) to realize that we were not watching beautiful avante garde video but , rather, the night vision videos of the U.S. bombing the hell out of Baghdad. The beautiful dayglo green lines were anti aircraft tracers.........it was exquisitely beautiful and existentially chilling at the same time. It really made me think which is one of the great by products of watching or listening to great art. Thanks for your time and your post. yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) p.s. I'd be happy to send you my c.d. for taking time to answer this queery. Just send me your snail mail address. You might like it. A lot of people have remarked on it's cinematic quality and I am a very visually oriented musician. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 08:15:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA11404; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 08:12:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 08:12:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 08:11:14 EDT Subject: Re: the electrix repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim said about the EDP > - all the software bugs were found and corrected a long time ago. Aw cmon, don't spoil the fun. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 08:52:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA12382; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 08:51:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 08:51:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <40.f2aed44.289d49b1@aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 08:50:57 EDT Subject: Re: Echoplex manual discussion online To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <8sxdtB.A.RBD.T_-a7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Re: Echoplex manual discussion online research shows thus.. You can go into Replace during a Multiply, but you leave Multiply in the process. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 09:26:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA14318; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 09:24:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 09:24:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005301c11ce8$3e2fe080$dfad5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist #224 Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 09:20:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: John Tidwell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Friday, August 03, 2001 7:52 PM Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist #224 >Chewing Gum was invented to camoflague this disorder. lol very much!! Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 09:37:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA14774; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 09:35:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 09:35:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006d01c11ce9$bcf64b60$dfad5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Tones [was Re: the electrix repeater] Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 09:31:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Tom Ritchford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Saturday, August 04, 2001 1:26 AM Subject: Re: the electrix repeater >Real instruments have both good and "bad" emergent phenomena. >Things like "wolf tones" on a guitar or "throat notes" on a >clarinet are "bad". Things like harmonics or overtones >are good. I've heard or wolf tones, iirc. They're the notes that howl due to reinforcing resonances. Would a throat tone be the opposite, that is, the note dies? Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 09:50:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA14258; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 09:23:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 09:23:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004c01c11ce8$21bcdb60$dfad5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist #224 Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 09:19:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: jim palmer >> Have you ever noticed someone who breathes through their mouth (slack jaw) >> instead of their nose? Don't they look less intelligent than nose breathers? >> Recall your bible stories to learn about Philistines (David and Goliath). > >lol. >i'm now self consciously breathing through my nose. >does not knowing what one is make you one? >i am kinda tall, too.... If you close your mouth to remove that constant look of "Duh" on your face, you'll do OK. But don't slouch - it isn't the height, it's the attitude Goliath exhibited that is germain to the description. ;-) Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 10:34:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA17509; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 10:33:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 10:33:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008b01c11cf3$7f0be080$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: <006d01c11ce9$bcf64b60$dfad5cd1@-> Subject: Re: Tones [was Re: the electrix repeater] Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 10:41:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Fox > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Ritchford > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Saturday, August 04, 2001 1:26 AM > Subject: Re: the electrix repeater > >Real instruments have both good and "bad" emergent phenomena. > >Things like "wolf tones" on a guitar or "throat notes" on a > >clarinet are "bad". Things like harmonics or overtones > >are good. > > I've heard or wolf tones, iirc. They're the notes that howl due to reinforcing > resonances. Would a throat tone be the opposite, that is, the note dies? Wolf tones are out of tune fifths. They are so out of tune that they howl like a wolf. They have nothing to do with resonance. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 12:06:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22249; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 12:05:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 12:05:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 12:04:04 -0400 Subject: Re: the electrix repeater From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 8/4/01 1:20 AM, Tom Ritchford at tom@swirly.com wrote: bugs = "emergent phenomena of an undesirable nature"... That's a good one! DLM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 12:10:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22516; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 12:09:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 12:09:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006d01c11ce9$bcf64b60$dfad5cd1@-> References: <006d01c11ce9$bcf64b60$dfad5cd1@-> Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 12:08:52 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Tones [was Re: the electrix repeater] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >-----Original Message----- >From: Tom Ritchford >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Date: Saturday, August 04, 2001 1:26 AM >Subject: Re: the electrix repeater > >Real instruments have both good and "bad" emergent phenomena. > >Things like "wolf tones" on a guitar or "throat notes" on a > >clarinet are "bad". Things like harmonics or overtones > >are good. > >I've heard or wolf tones, iirc. They're the notes that howl due to >reinforcing >resonances. Would a throat tone be the opposite, that is, the note dies? In essence, yes -- throat tones are the tones near the "break" that are harder to produce clearly and have pitching problems... /t .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 12:32:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23409; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 12:29:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 12:29:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 12:29:33 -0400 Subject: Advertising auction gear on LD? From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quick question to all. Do we consider advertising gear we have on auction an acceptable contribution to the site? Just don't want to abuse before I throw the link up... Thanks, Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 13:09:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25738; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 13:08:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 13:08:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 10:04:54 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: OT: VISUAL LOOPING question for Mark In-reply-to: <00cd01c11cae$7397cce0$e742f93f@dnlsh01> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200108040602.CAA27747@hemlock.violacea.com> <00cd01c11cae$7397cce0$e742f93f@dnlsh01> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Have you ever seen Granular Synthesis? I saw their Modell 5 at a Recombinant event a few years ago. 44 minutes of stuttering image and sound projected onto four large screens. Not pretty, but powerful. There are several programs, such as Videodelic, for live image manipulation. As Rick points out, the major problem is the price of projectors. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 13:14:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25984; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 13:13:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 13:13:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 13:13:07 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Advertising auction gear on LD? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Quick question to all. Do we consider advertising gear we have on auction >an acceptable contribution to the site? Just don't want to abuse before I >throw the link up... Sure, I'm still very happy with the Buchla Thunder I got through this list! /t .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 13:17:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26180; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 13:16:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 13:16:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 12:16:35 -0500 (CDT) From: spaceloop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Kill switch? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010803220557.007cec90@pop.ici.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, Tim Nelson wrote: > This brings me to my question: does anyone know of an available device > which would function as a kill switch for the dry signal going into the > looper? It would be like putting a volume pedal on the input signal, except > that it would be either on or off with no intermediate travel, it must have > a very small footprint due to limited available remaining pedalboard real > estate, and it would preferably have an LED to indicate signal pass/bypass > status. > Have you looked into a pedal tuner that has a mute function? I know the Boss TU-2 does it. And Arion used to make an inexpensive non-chromatic version that had a mute function. -- travis salisbury http://www.illuminetdesign.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 13:21:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26392; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 13:21:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 13:21:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B6C2EAE.73217A37@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 10:19:42 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Advertising auction gear(ME TOO-ism) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0vjxv.A.OcG.j7Cb7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I, personally, like hearing about gear sales, gigs, etc. I saw someone get flamed for selling some of the Electrix gear for a bit more than the blow out price, but I thought it was unjustified. I've seen echoplexes and jammans go for ridiculous prices on this list. I fwd'd that Electrix sale info to a friend who was GLAD to have the chance to get the gear, even for a bit more (still quite a bargain IMO) Anyway, what I DO HATE is that when people respond to such sales on list: Re: Gear for Sale. "How much" Re: Gear for Sale. "500" Re: Gear for Sale. "Does that include shipping?" etc... you get it. While I'm on the subject, this list is really bad with "Me too-ism" and "lol-ism" I think we'd all benefit a lot if people thought a bit about what they were writing, and consider if it's meaningful to the whole list, or is it just directed to an individual. Take private banter between individuals OFF LIST. Most lists have this as a hard rule, but Kim prefers a less restrictive list, and I applaud him for it. It does put the responsibility on the individual... It's kind of like what America was supposed to be ;^) Mark (Cranky before Coffee) Sottilaro todd reynolds wrote: > Quick question to all. Do we consider advertising gear we have on auction > an acceptable contribution to the site? Just don't want to abuse before I > throw the link up... > > Thanks, > > Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 13:30:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26810; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 13:29:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 13:29:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010804132614.007d7dc0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 13:26:14 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Advertising auction gear on LD? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com IMHO, I don't mind it as long as the gear in question is on-topic. Also, it doesn't hurt if it's something I'm personally looking for and is priced at a fraction of its value. :-) -t At 12:29 PM 8/4/01 -0400, you wrote: >Quick question to all. Do we consider advertising gear we have on auction >an acceptable contribution to the site? Just don't want to abuse before I >throw the link up... > >Thanks, > >Todd > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 13:35:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27186; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 13:34:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 13:34:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 10:36:24 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Tones [was Re: the electrix repeater] In-reply-to: <008b01c11cf3$7f0be080$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <006d01c11ce9$bcf64b60$dfad5cd1@-> <008b01c11cf3$7f0be080$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:41 AM -0400 8/4/01, David Beardsley wrote: >Wolf tones are out of tune fifths. They are so out of tune that they howl >like a wolf. They have nothing to do with resonance. It appears that the term "wolf tone" is being used in at least two different ways, though I've never before heard the definition David Beardsley proposes. In my experience the common usage describes undesirable resonances. As my violist wife explains it, a wolf tone is caused by an unstable interaction between the frequency of a bowed string and the fundamental resonant frequency of the instrument's front or back plate. It causes the instrument to "bark" at you, and on the viola is commonly in the range of F to F#. The fact that the wolf note is not necessarily in tune with the string suggests a possible origin fro Beardsley's usage. I've found citations for "wolf tones" or "wolf notes" in Benade's "Fundamentals of Musical Acoustics" and "Horns, Strings, & Harmony" and in Backus's "The Acoustic Foundations of Music." It is even possible to purchase wolf note eliminators! -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 14:00:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29243; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 13:59:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 13:59:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B6C37A4.DB696786@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 10:57:56 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: VISUAL LOOPING question for Mark References: <200108040602.CAA27747@hemlock.violacea.com> <00cd01c11cae$7397cce0$e742f93f@dnlsh01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Rick! I'd love to help you. The programs I've used are Arkaos (http://www.arkaos.net/site/en/prod_downlo.html), and Prophet by Vidvox (www.vidvox.net) both have free trial versions. I think someone from Vidvox might be on this list...as that's where I heard of it... anyway, both are good for different reasons. You'll really have to try them to see. Both are designed to trigger media clips via a midi note message. Vidvox gives you a lot of control over each video clip (via cc messages), and plays back ANY format that Quicktime can read. This includes Flash animations, which run VERY well and are small. Full screen video can be more problematic, but it does work on my Powermac 7500/g3 300 with 168 of ram. Vidvox is only available for the mac. Warning: the current version would NOT work with a blue and white G3 using a midiman midisport 2x2 usb interface. A big problem as far as I can see. Vidvox claims it has something to do with the OMS to USB interaction, but it was the only program I could find that had a problem with the midiman midisport 2x2. It works fine with my serial port midi interface. Arkaos is dual platform. It has less control over video playback, but it does come with a bunch of effects that can be used with still images and video clips. All the effects have motion in them, so it's a cheap and quick (although sometimes very cheezy) way to get movment without the size of a quicktime video file. Arkaos doesn't seem to be Flash file savy, which is a shame. It also seems to load your videos into ram at a 16 bit color bitdepth, which can be noticable. I don't care though, and it's better with older machines. Ah, and there's the question of projectors. Yup. I've got the same problem. They're still very expensive. I had use of some while in college, but those days are over.... so were my video performances. I now work for an event production company (think Java One conference) and we've got video projection gear here, (we rent most of the big stuff) but I've yet to try and barrow it for my own use. Some places rent them too. I saw a noise/media show by a group in the SF area that calls themselves Omnimedia and they seemed to have a few projectors. I'm not sure if they rented them, or own them. I'm friends with one of them, and I'll ask him today and get back to you. If you do buy or rent one, make sure it has svga in (it's a standard computer monitor interface) or you'll need to have a computer with a rca or svideo output. (the 85/8600, 95,9600 power macs had them standard, as did the higher end beige G3 macs) I've got a $500 Fuse video card that captures and plays video really, reallly well. I mainly use it for editing small videos. Watch out for low end video capture cards, as their frame rate can be LOW. This can be OK for video performance and web/computer work though. A lot of times I'll only capture at 15 fps to make editing faster. I use Adobe Premiere 6 and After Effects 5 for editing and processing. AFTER EFFECTS RULES! I just got the production bundle version and it is tres swank. Each layer can be manipulated in "3D" and have it's own light source. Very cool. I haven't had too much time to play with it, as I'm working on a CD project and my job thinks I should come in and do stuff every day. The nerve! you don't have to send my your CD, but it sure would be swell. I'll trade ya! Mark Sottilaro Ar "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" wrote: > Dear Mark, > > I'm fascinated by the concept of visual looping. Can you tell me a little > about your work? What programs do you use? What platform are you on (Mac > or PC)? Do you use 'found' or sampled images or do you film or animate your > own? What kind of equipment do you use to project live? I can't seem to > find computer projectors for under $2500-$3000. > which is way out of my league. > > I see images all the time that I would love to loop and project while I > improvise my looping music, I think of that phenomenal sequence of the > leaves whirling about in American Beauty........just one of the most sublime > existential moments in film history if you ask me (that's a gorgeous > understated score by thomas newman -- thanks jon durant for that > recommendation). > > I have an incredible sequence on video from a british mystery series > where you see an out of focus image of several objects moving by from right > to left with a strange and industrial sounding random glassy sound going on > in the background. It takes about thirty seconds to come into focus, by > which time you realize that you are looking across several production lines > at a glass factory. I took the audio samples and found several beautiful, > serendipitous and musical loops out of the glasses rhythmically clinking. > I'd love to make a 20 second visual loop out of that. Even crude animation > or black and white, grainy super 8 films would be great to loop. > > I am reminded of a piece also, that Laurie Anderson did on tour years > ago. The huge screen was dark green, out of focus with dayglo lime green > tracers running randomly across the screen. It took the better part of the > piece of music (which I can't even remember any more, if that tells you > anything) to realize that we were not watching beautiful avante garde video > but , rather, the night vision videos of the U.S. bombing the hell out of > Baghdad. The beautiful dayglo green lines were anti aircraft > tracers.........it was exquisitely beautiful and existentially chilling at > the same time. It really made me think which is one of the > great by products of watching or listening to great art. > > Thanks for your time and your post. yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) > > p.s. I'd be happy to send you my c.d. for taking time to answer this > queery. Just send me your snail mail address. You might like it. A lot > of people have remarked on it's cinematic quality and I am a very visually > oriented musician. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 14:01:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29276; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 14:00:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 14:00:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010804135605.007d6a70@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 13:56:05 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Kill switch? In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.20010803220557.007cec90@pop.ici.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:16 PM 8/4/01 -0500, you wrote: >On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, Tim Nelson wrote: >> This brings me to my question: does anyone know of an available device >> which would function as a kill switch (etc) >Have you looked into a pedal tuner that has a mute function? I know the >Boss TU-2 does it. And Arion used to make an inexpensive non-chromatic >version that had a mute function. I had thought of that, as well as using an a/b with only one side hooked up, or applying a pedal that wasn't being used and leaving the battery out, as long as it had true bypass so it would still pass the dry signal. The problem, though, is that there's still the situation I described in the "Too many loopers, not enough auxes" thread a couple of weeks ago; I'm already using an ABY on that line to switch between a couple of loopers. I just wish that instead of "A or B or BOTH" it could do "A or B or NEITHER". I may have found a solution, however. Replacing the a/b with something like a Whirlwind Multi-Selector FP would allow me to have multiple devices on that send yet still be able to control the signal flow with a minimum of pedals and switch-dancing. (The loopers would all come back to their own channels on the board...) I still have a couple of questions about it, though. 1) Does anyone on the list have experience with the Multi-Selector? If so, I'd like to hear your opinion of it. Is it fairly acoustically transparent? Does it allow you to select more than one of the outs at a time? Does it allow you to turn all of them off at the same time, or would I have to leave an out unconnected to accomplish the mute function? 2) Does anyone know of similar devices by other manufacturers that do the same thing? (I've seen the Kendrick ABC, but I know there have to be more multi-out, non-midi, foot-controlled audio routing boxes out there.) 3) Since so many folks on the list are in music equipment retail (Krazy Kat, Alto, etc.) does anyone know of a better price on the Whirlwind Multi-Selector FP than the $230+ I've found so far online? Thanks, Tim np: Robert Rich & Alio Die: Fissures From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 14:45:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05548; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 14:44:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 14:44:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: Syncing to Midi Clock (governed by the drummer) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 13:42:14 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010804135605.007d6a70@pop.ici.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What are some of the ways that people here provide a Clock signal to their rigs for timing? Currently my rig is set up for tap tempo which I use my MPX1 as the master with a tap button on the floor. But I was thinking, what about having a trigger or something connected to the drummer (who keeps the tempo hopefully rock solid anyway)? This way if tempo changes, the midi time clock is based on the time keeper and not my need to adjust with a tap (which is sometimes not entirely accurate). I think this is something that could be important for delay effects as well as looping (even though I haven't officially gotten into looping yet). Any thoughts or ideas? thanks, Steve Ginn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 14:55:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06336; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 14:54:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 14:54:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B6C449C.C63923BE@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 11:53:16 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tones [was Re: the electrix repeater] References: <006d01c11ce9$bcf64b60$dfad5cd1@-> <008b01c11cf3$7f0be080$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeah, when I read, "it has nothing to do with resonance" I had to think to myslef, "uuh, doesn't EVERYTHING, soundwise, about an acoustic instrument have something to do with resonance?" (yes) So I wrote that down in this email and sent it to the list. So there. Mark Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 10:41 AM -0400 8/4/01, David Beardsley wrote: > >Wolf tones are out of tune fifths. They are so out of tune that they howl > >like a wolf. They have nothing to do with resonance. > > It appears that the term "wolf tone" is being used in at least two > different ways, though I've never before heard the definition David > Beardsley proposes. > > In my experience the common usage describes undesirable resonances. > As my violist wife explains it, a wolf tone is caused by an unstable > interaction between the frequency of a bowed string and the > fundamental resonant frequency of the instrument's front or back > plate. It causes the instrument to "bark" at you, and on the viola is > commonly in the range of F to F#. The fact that the wolf note is not > necessarily in tune with the string suggests a possible origin fro > Beardsley's usage. > > I've found citations for "wolf tones" or "wolf notes" in Benade's > "Fundamentals of Musical Acoustics" and "Horns, Strings, & Harmony" > and in Backus's "The Acoustic Foundations of Music." > > It is even possible to purchase wolf note eliminators! > > > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 14:57:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06475; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 14:56:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 14:56:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B6C4508.E3AEF7AC@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 11:55:04 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: VISUAL LOOPING question for Mark References: <200108040602.CAA27747@hemlock.violacea.com> <00cd01c11cae$7397cce0$e742f93f@dnlsh01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2T99YC.A.4kB.5UEb7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com YES I have seen Granular Synthesis! They are great! They gave a talk at Syracuse University. Pretty nice guys. I love their show, but bring ear protection. Mark Richard Zvonar wrote: > Have you ever seen Granular Synthesis? > I saw their Modell 5 at a > Recombinant event a few years ago. 44 minutes of stuttering image and > sound projected onto four large screens. Not pretty, but powerful. > > There are several programs, such as Videodelic, for live image > manipulation. As Rick points out, the major problem is the price of > projectors. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 15:01:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07743; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 15:00:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 15:00:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: Memory in the EDP Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 13:58:51 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010804135605.007d6a70@pop.ici.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is the maximum memory the EDP can handle only 16megs? Can it be increased using higher capacity SIMM's? I remember using memory expanders with my PCs where I could plug a card carrying 4 SIMMs into a single mainboard SIMM slot. Is this possible with the EDP? Is 198 seconds really ample time while playing live to accomplish most looping possibilities? Thanks, Steve Ginn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 15:01:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07747; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 15:00:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 15:00:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3B6C449C.C63923BE@zerocrossing.net> References: <006d01c11ce9$bcf64b60$dfad5cd1@-> <008b01c11cf3$7f0be080$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> <3B6C449C.C63923BE@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 14:59:01 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Tones [was Re: the electrix repeater] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For the record, when I said wolf tones I meant precisely undesirable resonances in a bowed instrument. I've heard guitarists also use the term and I'd assumed that they meant a similar phenomenon but never stopped to enquire if that were so... /t .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 15:03:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07925; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 15:02:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 15:02:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B6C474D.260C312C@cloud9.net> Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 15:04:45 -0400 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP bugs References: <200108041845.OAA05720@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim said about the EDP > - all the software bugs were found and corrected a long time ago. Hmmmmm. Doesn't jibe with my experience. But then again, maybe it's because the EDP developers consider "features" things that I'd call bugs Elby From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 16:21:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11516; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 16:20:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 16:20:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <121.29d4095.289db2f7@aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 16:20:07 EDT Subject: Re: Kill switch? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com try an A/B/Y switch - make sure the switch is silent so there's no pops/ clicks when switching to and from the looper. Boss LS2 is my recomendation. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 18:49:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18372; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 18:45:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 18:45:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.20010804135605.007d6a70@pop.ici.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 15:43:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Memory in the EDP Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:58 AM -0700 8/4/01, M. Steven Ginn wrote: >Is the maximum memory the EDP can handle only 16megs? yes, and it is shipped with that much now so you don't have to worry about expanding it. >Can it be increased >using higher capacity SIMM's? no, that is the limit it can handle. >I remember using memory expanders with my PCs >where I could plug a card carrying 4 SIMMs into a single mainboard SIMM >slot. Is this possible with the EDP? sorry, no. >Is 198 seconds really ample time while playing live to accomplish most >looping possibilities? yes, I think it is more than enough for most things anybody will likely do. When we designed it we thought it was an incredible luxury to have that much, and nobody would ever care to even upgrade it to that level. (memory was much more expensive then.) But of course, everybody always thinks they need more of everything, even when they never use it... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 18:59:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19955; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 18:57:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 18:57:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B6C7DC6.9E37ABC2@dmans.com> Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 17:57:10 -0500 From: "Mikell D.Nelson" Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Notice from BMP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3xrhDB.A.e2E.t2Hb7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi loopers, It's been a while since I posted to this site, but here's a bit of business I must attend to. ============================== NOTICE from Boomerang Musical Products 23 July 2001 We have worked hard to insure that the Boomerang (R) Phrase Sampler is the most reliable and productive looper on the market. Despite endless hours of testing and almost constant use by many musicians, we have only now become aware of a flaw in the software. The problem only affects users of the new Boomerang+ Phrase Sampler or users who have upgraded older units with the V2 module. Software versions 1.0, 1.1 and 1.1+ are not affected. Software versions 2a, 2a1 and 2a2 have the flaw. What follows is a description of the problem and some recommended procedures to deal with it as you continue to use your Rang. The Problem If the recording of a loop is started and no other buttons are pressed the Rang will eventually reach the end of available memory and the recording process will stop automatically. This condition is indicated by all 5 green LED's being brightly lit. When this happens you have a choice of pressing PLAY to play the loop or RECORD to re-record it. This presents no problem if done immediately. But if the unit is allowed to stay in this state for a period of time, the stored signal data in memory will begin to deteriorate. The amount of deterioration and the time required for deterioration to begin will vary depending on the characteristics of the particular memory chips in your unit. It varies from a few seconds to several minutes, and every Rang will be slightly different. There are many manufacturers of DRAM chips and modules and many different "lots" of chips as well, so the variations are great. If given sufficient time however all DRAM types will eventually begin to degrade sufficiently to produce pops and clicks in the signal during playback. If you wait long enough the signal can degrade completely to wide band noise. If the 3 way switch and trim pot are not set correctly, the noise can be very loud, louder than your loops. The Work Around There are several things you can do to avoid any surprises. 1) Be sure to have your signal levels set as high as possible (indicated by the occasional blinking of the yellow CLIP LED). This is always desirable as it provides the lowest background noise, but it also prevents a corrupted signal from being much louder than your normal playing levels. If the problem being described does happen the playback of the corrupt data will sound bad, but not be louder than your loops. Please consult your users manual if in doubt about how to optimize the recording levels. Moderate lighting of the CLIP LED will rarely cause noticeable distortion and will give you the best signal-to-noise ratio the Rang can provide. 2) If you see that the recording of a loop has resulted in all 5 green LED's being brightly lit, don't press the PLAY/STOP or ONCE buttons. Pressing either of these buttons will begin the playback of the loop and the signal data could be badly distorted. Instead press the RECORD button to erase the previous recording and clear the error condition. A new recording can be started immediately and will work correctly. As an alternative you could turn down your amp and cycle the power to the Rang. This clears the fault and erases all signal data; once re-powered the Rang is ready to go as usual. We have fixed this flaw in a new software release, V2a3. If you think this software bug will cause you any problem, you may exchange your V2 module for a new one. Please note there are no new features in the new software, only bug fixes. To exchange a V2 module, just package it so the pins are protected and mail to BMP, 305 Easton Rd., Dallas, TX 75218. Include a note asking for V2a3 along with a complete return address. ============================== Mike Nelson Shipping address for repairs & upgrades: 305 Easton Road Dallas, TX 75218 Boomerang Musical Products PO Box 541595 Dallas, TX 75354-1595 800-530-4699 * 214-340-6913, Outside USA * 214-343-1038, Fax http://www.boomerangmusic.com "Some products make you sound better; the Boomerang Phrase Sampler makes you play better." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 19:23:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22559; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 19:21:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 19:21:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c11d3d$5c2c4420$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: <006d01c11ce9$bcf64b60$dfad5cd1@-><008b01c11cf3$7f0be080$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> Subject: OT Re: Tones [was Re: the electrix repeater] Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 19:29:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Zvonar > found citations for "wolf tones" or "wolf notes" in Benade's > "Fundamentals of Musical Acoustics" and "Horns, Strings, & Harmony" > and in Backus's "The Acoustic Foundations of Music." I have a copy of the Benade book and (although I really haven't read it) I understand what you're talking about now. My appologies for coming down a bit heavy handed. Apparently there's two meanings for this term: http://www.ixpres.com/interval/dict/wolf.htm "wolf an "unusual" interval in a given tuning system and style which is felt not to be freely substitutable for an "expected" variety of the same interval. Sometimes it is asserted that "Wolf" intervals are "unusable" or "unplayable," but this judgment is both contextual and often partial: there are often specific sonorities and usages where these intervals are musically useful even in styles where they are generally considered to be "too out-of-tune" for most purposes." [from Margo Schulter, posting to Tuning Digest # 1597] Kind of criptic...as is a lot of tuning theory (getting real off topic here!). In tunings other than 12 tone equal temperament, such as Pythagorean, mean tone and temperaments, some of the keys far away from the home key have intervals that are described as wolf tones - they're a bit too sharp or flat and they sound nasty. Try it: tune a guitar to an open E chord. Now take one of the B strings and make it little bit sharp. Play it. Ouch. Tune it back to the original B. Play it. Ah. Harmony. Or if you own a synth with a tuning table, try playing a cycle of 5ths in the Pythagorean or Werkmeister settings. Sorry 'bout the misunderstanding. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 20:37:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25767; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 20:35:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 20:35:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B6C9456.F51CC068@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 17:33:26 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Notice from BMP References: <3B6C7DC6.9E37ABC2@dmans.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wow, how organic. I'd just change the manual to say, "when left in this state, the Boomerage will become annoyed and it will slowly start eating your loop, so get on with it." "Mikell D.Nelson" wrote: > Hi loopers, > It's been a while since I posted to this site, but here's a bit of business I must attend to. > > ============================== > > NOTICE from Boomerang Musical Products 23 July 2001 > > We have worked hard to insure that the Boomerang (R) Phrase Sampler is the most reliable > and productive looper > on the market. Despite endless hours of testing and almost constant use by many musicians, > we have only now > become aware of a flaw in the software. The problem only affects users of the new > Boomerang+ Phrase Sampler or > users who have upgraded older units with the V2 module. Software versions 1.0, 1.1 and > 1.1+ are not affected. > Software versions 2a, 2a1 and 2a2 have the flaw. What follows is a description of the > problem and some > recommended procedures to deal with it as you continue to use your Rang. > > The Problem > > If the recording of a loop is started and no other buttons are pressed the Rang will > eventually reach the > end of available memory and the recording process will stop automatically. This condition is > indicated by all > 5 green LED's being brightly lit. When this happens you have a choice of pressing PLAY to > play the loop or > RECORD to re-record it. This presents no problem if done immediately. But if the unit is > allowed to stay in > this state for a period of time, the stored signal data in memory will begin to deteriorate. The > amount of > deterioration and the time required for deterioration to begin will vary depending on the > characteristics of > the particular memory chips in your unit. It varies from a few seconds to several minutes, and > every Rang will > be slightly different. There are many manufacturers of DRAM chips and modules and many > different "lots" of > chips as well, so the variations are great. If given sufficient time however all DRAM types will > eventually > begin to degrade sufficiently to produce pops and clicks in the signal during playback. If you > wait long > enough the signal can degrade completely to wide band noise. If the 3 way switch and trim > pot are not set > correctly, the noise can be very loud, louder than your loops. > > The Work Around > > There are several things you can do to avoid any surprises. > > 1) Be sure to have your signal levels set as high as possible (indicated by the occasional > blinking of the > yellow CLIP LED). This is always desirable as it provides the lowest background noise, but > it also prevents a > corrupted signal from being much louder than your normal playing levels. If the problem being > described does > happen the playback of the corrupt data will sound bad, but not be louder than your loops. > Please consult your > users manual if in doubt about how to optimize the recording levels. Moderate lighting of the > CLIP LED will > rarely cause noticeable distortion and will give you the best signal-to-noise ratio the Rang can > provide. > > 2) If you see that the recording of a loop has resulted in all 5 green LED's being brightly lit, > don't press > the PLAY/STOP or ONCE buttons. Pressing either of these buttons will begin the playback > of the loop and the > signal data could be badly distorted. Instead press the RECORD button to erase the > previous recording and > clear the error condition. A new recording can be started immediately and will work > correctly. As an > alternative you could turn down your amp and cycle the power to the Rang. This clears the > fault and erases all > signal data; once re-powered the Rang is ready to go as usual. > > We have fixed this flaw in a new software release, V2a3. If you think this software bug will > cause you any > problem, you may exchange your V2 module for a new one. Please note there are no new > features in the new > software, only bug fixes. To exchange a V2 module, just package it so the pins are protected > and mail to BMP, > 305 Easton Rd., Dallas, TX 75218. Include a note asking for V2a3 along with a complete > return address. > > ============================== > > Mike Nelson > > Shipping address for repairs & upgrades: > 305 Easton Road > Dallas, TX 75218 > > Boomerang Musical Products > PO Box 541595 > Dallas, TX 75354-1595 > > 800-530-4699 * 214-340-6913, Outside USA * 214-343-1038, Fax > > http://www.boomerangmusic.com > > "Some products make you sound better; > the Boomerang Phrase Sampler makes you play better." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 21:53:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28993; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 21:50:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 21:50:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 18:49:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex manual discussion online Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:38 PM -0700 8/3/01, Gary Lehmann wrote: >Miko queried: >>>OK... I want to know if you can insert (replace mode) while multiplying? >The other modes don't seem to apply here because they mess with the time >structure of the multiply, but I'd love to have the ability to replace while >doing a multiply. Anyone? > >So I gave it a whiz! >And it sure does replace! 'Course I had to turn the quantize off, as well >as setting insert to replace, but when I multiplied and then inserted DURING >multiply, it elegantly inserted audio which did not include the material >being multiplied! > yes, that is correct, but there is much more. On the EDP you can easily switch back and forth between multiply and insert on the fly, without stopping one to start the other. I think this accomplishes what Miko is looking for, where you are creating an overdub over several repetitions of the original cycle and for some portion you only want the overdub without the audio of the original. You can do this easily with the echoplex in real-time. Just record your basic loop cycle, then start the multiply and begin adding the longer overdub. As long as the multiply is on, you will be overlaying the new audio on top of repetitions of the audio in the basic cycle. If that is all you wanted to do, then after you have the number of cycle repetitions you wanted, you tap Multiply to end it and start looping the whole thing. That is the basic multiply function. You create a basic loop repeating many times under a longer loop, on the fly. However, say you wanted a section of the multiplied loop that only has your overdubbed audio without the audio of the original. You could do this by finishing the multiply and then using Insert to add that section on the next time through the loop. That might be musically awkward though. So, the Echoplex lets you do it directly during the Multiply, by switching into Insert on the fly! Go back to where we had the multiply going. When you want cycles with just your overdubbed audio and the audio of the original loop cycle muted, hit the Insert directly without hitting the multiply first. The echoplex will keep on going as if you were still in multiply, except that now the original loop audio is muted out. You keep on playing your overdub as cycles of the orginal length are added to the overall loop length. When you want to end the loop, just press Insert again to end it. With this idea, you could easily create a 12 bar loop on the fly where the first 10 bars are a basic 1-bar rhythm cycle repeated with some longer melody over the top, and the last two bars are a break with just the melody by itself. You don't have to construct the thing in several passes over the loop, you just do it in one shot. Now taking this further, you can jump back into Multiply on the fly if you want, just by hitting multiply again instead of ending with Insert! So you can switch back and forth on the fly between having the original audio underneath your longer overdub or having it muted, just by switching back and forth between pressing Insert and Multiply during the Multiply process. The interesting thing here is, the audio being multiplied under your second multiply is in fact the multiplied/inserted audio you had created in the beginning of the process before you re-entered the multiply! To end all of that and start it looping, you simply press again whichever one you are in at the time. For example, if the Insert is active, press Insert again and it will round off to the end of the current cycle time and end for you. Your whole multiplied/inserted loop will then begin looping. That might seem kinda confusing, maybe this example helps. Let's take the 12 bar loop we were creating above as a starting point and expand on that. Instead of just 12 bars, say we want 48 bars that consist of our original 12 bar multiplied/inserted idea repeated 4 times with a 48 bar melody over the top. We want to create this quickly in real-time without boring our audience and ourselves to death with a lot of fiddling around. So it goes like this: You tap Record and play a little percussive thing for four beats. Instead of ending with Record, you tap multiply and immediately begin playing a twelve bar chord progression. Your 1 bar of percussion repeats under you as you play. As the 10th bar ends, you tap Insert to drop out the percussion and play a two bar turnaround or something. As the 12th bar ends you tap Multiply again. Now the previous 12 bars of rhythm and chord progression that you just created will be added to itself as you continue to add new things over the top. You start playing your longer melody. (The multiple display will continue to count cycles for you, so you will see it starting onto 13 at this point.) When the counter is up to 48 cycles (bars in this case, or 4 repetitions of our 12 bar figure), you tap multiply again to end it all and start the whole thing repeating. One thing to note here is, because we did this all on the fly, the first 12 bars were created without that much longer melody overdubbed. So you actually have the first 12 bars repeated 4 times with a longer melody overdubbed on the last 3 repetitions. Depends what you are after, that might be what you want. But if what you really want is a 48 bar melody over 4 repetitions of the 12 bar figure, that is easily done in this on-the-fly method as well. We just need one more action at the end. When you re-enter Multiply after the twelve bar part was created above, go ahead and start your 48 bar melody. The counter will say 13, and that is really where you are, but we are just going to shift things a bit. When the counter gets up to 48 you will be on bar 36 of your melody. At that point above, we pressed Multiply again to finish the operation and start it looping. Instead, press Overdub. This will do basically the same thing, it will end this multiply and start the whole thing looping, except you will immediately have overdub on. You just keep on playing your melody as the first 12 bar section plays underneath. 12 bars later you press overdub again and there ya go. A one bar percussion rhythm repeating 10 times and dropping out for 2 bars, with a 12 bar chord progression loop on top of it, with a 48 bar melody loop on top of that. All done in one shot, on the fly, with a grand total of 6 button presses. (I think I counted that right. :-) Obviously, this takes some practice to get the hang of it. But that's the nature of any instrument! Play with the ideas, and you will get it. or you will discover your own way to use it. You can do a lot of other interesting stuff by combining Multiply and Insert. For example, you can re-multiply a loop to a different number of multiplies, either more or less. So maybe you have an 8 cycle loop and you chop out 3 cycles to make that a loop. (you can chop it out anywhere too, no restrictions....). Or maybe you re-multiply it out longer to have 8 cycles + 3 for an 11 cycle loop. Or maybe you use Insert on a multiplied loop, to add some cycles in the middle of it or at the beginning or end. That's a great way to get chopped up sounding loops. Check out the stuff Andre LaFosse does on his "Disruption Theory" album. He is a master of this technique, basically using drum-n-bass production ideas of chopped up breaks, re-applied to chopped up guitar riffs, and he can do it all in real-time as he plays. Go nuts with Insert and Multiply combinations on a loop, and pretty quickly you will lose track of what the hell is going on, but you defintely end up with some pretty strange loops after a while! Or you can mix these things with other functions. Multiply and Insert always round off to the nearest cycle point, so things are automatically kept even and you don't have to be real accurate with the buttons. (which is great when you are busy concentrating on playing something else! Just tap it somewhere in the middle and the echoplex sets it right for you. Using Quantize makes this even more perfect, forcing everything to round to the cycle point.) But what if you don't want to round off a multiply or insert? Instead of an integer multiply, you want something uneven. Just end a multiply with record, wherever you want! That will give you a new loop that ends at exactly that point, and has a new loop time of whatever that is! Maybe you end up with 7.3 repetitions of your cycle or whatever. That is also great if you want chop out some bit of audio from a longer loop, but the audio chunk you want has nothing to do with the existing cycle time or the existing startpoints and endpoints. Just hit Multiply at the beginning of that bit and Record at the end, and you've got a new loop of just that. There ya go, real-time loop startpoint and endpoint editing, all done as you play. No fiddling around with mouse clicking or jog wheels or monitors or whatever. Leave that stuff in the studio! This real-time nature is one of the advanced uses of the echoplex that I think really sets it apart from everything else out there. No matter what you are doing, you can just jump right into something else. You don't have to stop this thing in order to start that thing, or be resticted to certain modes in order to use some function. You can mix functions together any way you want, probably in ways that we never even thought of in creating the thing. You just end one thing by going straight into the other! hopefully this is helpful. Now let's hear from some of the other experienced EDP users out there! (or novices!) How do you use these ideas, and what interesting techniques have you discovered? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 23:33:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01468; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 23:21:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 23:21:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 20:19:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex manual discussion online Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:48 PM -0700 8/3/01, Gary Lehmann wrote: >As far as record (which is, as the manual says, "where it all starts"), >there are a few options here--ending with a different button, setting >RecordMode to sustain, the long press--but mostly, record is pretty straight >forward. Anybody? >Gary There are interesting things about just the Record on the EDP. The basic action with Record is, tap Record to start recording the loop, tap it again to stop recording the loop and have it immediately play back. It is very simple and natural, just one button that you tap as if you were tapping the rhythm of the music. And remember, it really is in time with the music. Tap the record and start playing at the same time. End the record in rhythm too. For some reason a lot of novices don't get that this needs to happen in rhythm. The Record LED is red while you record, and goes back to green while you are done. The display counts up the time as it records. [for some reason I could never really figure out, many other loopers actually require two buttons to do this. Now I'm sure you can get used to that, but it seems unnatural and a pointless waste of motion to me. If you are used to tapping your feet in time to the music, it is natural to tap one button in the same spot to start and stop a loop. Your mind isn't distracted from your playing while you try to remember which other button you have to go to end the loop. You just tap. You can easily tap very short loops, because you don't have to move very far. I guess the designers of those other interfaces are stuck in a recording studio mind-set, but that seems really limiting to me. anyway, back to record on the edp...] You reset the loop by holding the record button down for half a second. the "long press." (if you have multiple loops set up, you can then reset all of them at once with a long-press of multiply, which is handy. it is on Multiply because you are "multiplying" the reset. get it?) If you don't have a footpedal, just plugging a momemtary switch into the FootPedal jack will do the Record function for you. You can have Record start with an audio trigger. Set the Threshold parameter to something other than zero. Press record. The EDP goes into it's waiting mode, with "ooo" on the display. When you start playing it starts recording. Press record again to end the loop. You can also have record start and stop with an external pulse trigger connected to the "BeatSync" jack on the back. (you have to have sync set to "in"). The "RecordMode" parameter lets you set whether recording uses toggle or sustain action. Toggle is when it starts recording when you tap the button, and stops when you tap it again. That is the default. Sustain is when it starts recording when you press Record down, and continues recording as long as you hold the button down. When you release it, the recording stops and the loop loops. Some poeople like one way, some another. You can choose what works for you. I like Sustain mode because you can easily create extremely short loops. If you just tap the button lightly while in sustain mode, the EDP only records for the time the switch mechanically contacts, which will usually be just a few milliseconds long. You can get loops that are short enough to be audible frequencies themselves. I call them microloops. You can multiply them and insert them, etc. Very interesting sounds come that way. Try leaving overdub on and the feedback turned down a bit and play some other loop through the microloop. pretty cool effect. you can retap it and get a new randomly short length to change the tone, or play with the feedback to lengthen and shorten the effect. Record can be ended by another function, so that you are immediately in that function with a single button press. This makes operating the echoplex efficient and fast. So start recording with a tap of Record and end with Overdub so you are immediately overdubbing onto your new loop. Or end with reverse so the thing you just played immediately comes out backwards. Or end with multiply so you can immediately get a multiplied loop. Or Insert. Or Mute, so the loop is immediately muted. (the only case this doesn't work now is with NextLoop. the current version doesn't take you to the next loop if you end a record with next, because we originally thought that would confuse people. Instead it irritated people. so in the next version ending a record with next takes you to the next loop immediately. That's the advantage of a device with several generations of development, such subtleties have had a chance to filter through the real world.) also, Record can be used to end some other functions. Multiply, Insert, LoopSoundCopy and LoopTimeCopy can all be ended with a tap of Record. This has the effect of redefineing the endpoint of the loop at that point. So after something has multiplied up to 3.4 times and you press Record, you then have a loop 3.4 times the length of the original. If you had pressed multiply then, it would have rounded out to the next cycle point and you would have a loop 4 times the original. [Think of it this way: when you are recording, and you tap the Record button to end the record, you are actually defining the endpoint of the loop at that point. The loop starts looping from there. So the basic concept is, a record tap while you are recording defines the end. Now, extend the concept elsewhere. So if you are Multiplying or Inserting, a tap of Record defines the end point at that instant instead of rounding out to the next cycle point. You have now redefined a loop length and freed yourself from the cycle boundaries. We followed this throughout the design of the interface design. Take basic priniples of the most basic functions, and extend them throughout, so everything follows the same logic. Once you get how the most basic ideas of the Echoplex interface work, you will find that they extend throughout the rest of it, and everything should follow intuitively.] What happens if you let Record go all the way to the end of the memory? Well it is up to you. The "Overflow" parameter gives you the option of having the recording stop automatically and immediately begin looping, or stop the recording and go back to reset. Neither of these outcomes are ideal, so which way you want it depends on the type of music you do. If you don't care very much about the rhythm of something, it may be fine to have it immediately repeat a loop that has filled the memory. If you do care about the rhythm, that loop length is probably not going to fit the rhythm of your music and you may prefer that it just kill the record rather than suddenly start playing the loop out of time. There is also a Record option for multiple loops. When you turn the "AutoRecord" parameter on, the Echoplex will automatically start recording when you press NextLoop and switch into a loop that is in reset. This can be really handy for recording multiple loops in tempo, as you play. that's a lot about just Record, isn't it? somebody else's turn now. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 00:39:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA04779; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 00:29:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 00:29:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B6CC9B7.E28E0F76@altruistmusic.com> Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 21:21:11 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex manual discussion online: Some audible exmaples References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim Flint wrote: > You can do a lot of other interesting stuff by combining Multiply and > Insert.... Check out the stuff > Andre LaFosse does on his "Disruption Theory" album. Geez, Kim, too kind...! Here's a short mp3 file that uses precisely the Multiply and Insert approach Kim talked about in his previous post: http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/Theory1.mp3 I've posted this link to the list before, but it might make a bit more sense in the context of the current thread... This is a totally live Echoplex "solo," which uses Multiply and Insert all over the place. One thing that's relevant to this thread is that you can hear the growth of the loop pretty clearly, starting from a single cycle of less than a second, which gradually evolves into a much longer and more complex texture. It was basically built off of Multiply, Insert, and Remultiply. Quantize was very much on, and Insertmode=Insert. At about 2/3 of the way through, the loop gets reversed (using the reverse option in the parameter row, rather than the Insert button), and at the end of the solo the infamous "remultiply + undo" maneuver is featured prominently, as different fragments of the loop are scrolled through with each successive press of UNDO. Since I don't always get the chance to combine EDP education and shameless self-promotion, here are a couple of other Echoplex-heavy sound files to check out: http://www.altruistmusic.com/ram/trinary.ram This is a personal favorite remix of mine; every texture here other than the drum machine is a guitar loop, mostly done through an Echoplex. The loop that enters about 50 seconds into the track in particular makes serious use of unquantized Insertmode=replace; the loop repeats three times and is then reversed at some point during the fourth repetition. http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/Back2.mp3 The semi-ambient sound you hear at the beginning of this track is another Echoplex loop, also using a lot of unquantized Insertmode=replace, but with a much less "assualtive" sound that the previous example. I don't remember if there was any multiply in this loop or not, tell you the truth... doesn't sound like it to me. http://www.altruistmusic.com/archive/loop.html This is an archive page of some older (circa 1997) guitar looping going on. The material there is a bit more primitive in terms of how much it uses (or doesn't use) the more advanced EDP features, but for those who aren't offended by the infamous Ambient Guitar Loop Paradigm (tm), there might be some interesting listening... OK, lesson/plug now over... ;} Andre LaFosse | Disruption Theory | http://www.altruistmusic.com ================================================================ "Fripp and Zappa, step aside." (MOJO Magazine, May 2000) "For electric guitar enthusiasts everywhere, this one's essential." (Alternative Press Magazine, September 2000) "A spectacular collision of manifold musical thoughts and patterns... To call Disruption Theory a futuristic album would be an understatement." (20th Century Guitar Magazine, February 2001) "Fucking amazing CD." (Derek Sivers, president, CD Baby) "His six-stringer is pumped up with energy, creating a firestorm of pyrotechnics and burning sounds, but with a sensitivity to weirdness and experimentation. Disruption Theory reveals the difference it makes when a player knows what he is doing. Here is one that deserves the title 'unique'." (Expose Magazine, October 2000) ========================================================= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 01:53:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA07864; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 01:37:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 01:37:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3B6C2EAE.73217A37@zerocrossing.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 22:32:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Advertising auction gear(ME TOO-ism) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:19 AM -0700 8/4/01, Mark wrote: >Anyway, what I DO HATE is that when people respond to such sales on list: Re: >Gear for Sale. "How much" Re: Gear for Sale. "500" Re: Gear for Sale. "Does >that include shipping?" etc... you get it. While I'm on the subject, this >list is really bad with "Me too-ism" and "lol-ism" I think we'd all benefit a >lot if people thought a bit about what they were writing, and consider if it's >meaningful to the whole list, or is it just directed to an individual. Take >private banter between individuals OFF LIST. along those lines, some people have pretty bad habits about not editing messages they are replying to. Don't just leave the whole damn thing in there that everybody already saw, and just stick some new stuff on the top. (what I think of as lazy corporate email style.) That's a big waste of bandwidth and really sucks on the digest. Edit down to the stuff you are actually replying to. And try to make some effort to differentiate your reply from the original. With some people's replies, you can hardly tell! Also, HTML is for web pages, not email, no matter what some email programs want you to believe. HTML (and rich text) takes up way more space than plain text, and usually adds nothing to an email that is all text anyway. Another big waste of bandwidth. Your HTML posts are pretty much unreadable in the digest version of the list, and look like crap for people using mail software that doesn't really support html. Post in plain text! >Most lists have this as a hard >rule, but Kim prefers a less restrictive list, and I applaud him for it. It >does put the responsibility on the individual... It's kind of like what >America was supposed to be ;^) It's true, although I've been tempted to add restrictive filters that block html and attachments. Some lists I know of even reject posts unless they have a certain percentage of new material versus quoted text being replied to, which I've also thought of. But I've never bothered because most people get "advised" about these things pretty quickly and straighten up. I really do prefer that the list community regulate itself, and mostly this one does. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 02:05:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA08551; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 01:49:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 01:49:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3B6B1A43.96747890@home.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 22:45:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: who fixes EDPs? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:40 PM -0700 8/3/01, Will Brake wrote: >No, the dry signal wouldn't require that type of processing. I can't say >more as I've never seen the circuit, but I would assume that true bypass >would have been used. It's certainly the best way to get the least >coloration of your dry signal. maybe, but also really inflexible. I think with looping gear you usually want some kind of mix control to balance the loop audio versus the direct audio. (as is in the echoplex). Otherwise you would either be stuck with what you get, or always require an external mixer with even the most basic looping application. I also like have input and output level controls on each piece of gear. The whole "true bypass" thing seems kinda silly to me, unless you are working with really cheap audio parts. Very few people will hear any tone change in direct audio passing through a reasonably well designed analog audio path. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 10:44:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA32170; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 10:24:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 10:24:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010805101958.007d6110@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 10:19:58 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: OT: Ought-1 Festival, Aug. 25-26, Montpelier, VT In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010804135605.007d6a70@pop.ici.net> References: <3.0.5.32.20010803220557.007cec90@pop.ici.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <7aAevB.A.B2H.8aVb7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (The Woodstock of Non-Pop) Mostly OT due to low loop content, but I was wondering if anyone from the list besides Dr. Zvonar and myself will be in attendance, and if so, would the secret sign of the thumb and index finger raised to the forehead in the shape of an 'L' be appropriate? It would help listmembers recognize each other, but if nobody else is gonna do it, I'm not gonna walk around like that. Maybe the t-shirts would be better... Seriously, though, note that the venue has been changed; it'll be in Montpelier now instead of Plainfield. Too BIG for Plainfield... Anyone going? Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 10:48:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA00569; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 10:37:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 10:37:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <85.e04e0e4.289eb39f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 10:35:11 EDT Subject: Re: Notice from BMP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_85.e04e0e4.289eb39f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10532 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_85.e04e0e4.289eb39f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey mike.....long time no hear.....hope all is well.....i have a rang question.....it seems that my aux send has way less power than my normal send, im running both lines into my mixer and i have to crank the aux send to match the send.....is this the nature of the beast?.....if not, is there a fix?.....thanks.....:)m --part1_85.e04e0e4.289eb39f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey mike.....long time no hear.....hope all is well.....i have a rang
question.....it seems that my aux send has way less power than my normal
send,  im running both lines into my mixer and i have to crank the aux send
to match the send.....is this the nature of the beast?.....if not, is there a
fix?.....thanks.....:)m --part1_85.e04e0e4.289eb39f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 11:05:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01471; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 10:50:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 10:50:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <96.180d8de7.289eb6b6@aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 10:48:22 EDT Subject: Re: Echoplex manual discussion online To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_96.180d8de7.289eb6b6_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10532 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_96.180d8de7.289eb6b6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/4/01 9:50:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes: > How do you use these ideas, > and what interesting techniques have you discovered? > wow.....thanks kim.....this was almost as interesting as your train analogy.....these are the kind of ideas that make me want an EDP.....please keep up the great discussions.....:)m --part1_96.180d8de7.289eb6b6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/4/01 9:50:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
kflint@loopers-delight.com writes:


How do you use these ideas,
and what interesting techniques have you discovered?


wow.....thanks kim.....this was almost as interesting as your train
analogy.....these are the kind of ideas that make me want an EDP.....please
keep up the great discussions.....:)m --part1_96.180d8de7.289eb6b6_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 15:03:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13830; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 14:55:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 14:55:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B6D9639.22CD6A55@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 11:53:46 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Syncing to Midi Clock (governed by the drummer) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Seems like it would be very easy (for someone other than myself) to mount a switch to the bass drum beater that gives off a pulse. I have a good friend of mine building me a device that takes the LED flash of my Roland MC-307 and turns it into a tap tempo for my non-midi synchable Vortex. I also thought the LED could slave a strobe aimed somewhat near the drummer. That why they'd have a visual cue of what your tempo was. There are many times when I'm looping to a sequence and there isn't much of a steady beat going on that I just watch those blinky lights. Mark "M. Steven Ginn" wrote: > What are some of the ways that people here provide a Clock signal to their > rigs for timing? > > Currently my rig is set up for tap tempo which I use my MPX1 as the master > with a tap button on the floor. But I was thinking, what about having a > trigger or something connected to the drummer (who keeps the tempo hopefully > rock solid anyway)? This way if tempo changes, the midi time clock is based > on the time keeper and not my need to adjust with a tap (which is sometimes > not entirely accurate). I think this is something that could be important > for delay effects as well as looping (even though I haven't officially > gotten into looping yet). Any thoughts or ideas? > > thanks, > Steve Ginn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 15:21:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15788; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 15:11:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 15:11:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20010805114859.00a52100@martina.pobox.stanford.edu> X-Sender: martina@martina.pobox.stanford.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 12:10:07 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Heasley Subject: Re: OT: Ought-1 Festival, Aug. 25-26, Montpelier, VT In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010805101958.007d6110@pop.ici.net> References: <3.0.5.32.20010804135605.007d6a70@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010803220557.007cec90@pop.ici.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_2469185==_.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_2469185==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:19 AM 8/5/2001 , you wrote: > (The Woodstock of Non-Pop) >Mostly OT due to low loop content I'm going! What do you have against low loops? - thought there were plenty of low-end guys here. Seriously, my concert of solo processed/looped tuba is Sunday night - I'll look for you guys and catch you if I can. Still looking for maybe another gig in that general area - have a few dark days before playing in NYC on Thursday, Aug. 30 - wanna to a triple-bill in New England, etc.? Tom ........................................... Tom Heasley Full Bleed Music, ASCAP 427 Alma St., Suite 206 Palo Alto, CA 94301 PH: 650.322.3633 FX: 603.849.7751 Cell: 650.387.0582 Listen to sound clips of 'Where the Earth Meets the Sky' at www.hypnos.com bayimproviser.com/TomHeasley --=====================_2469185==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 07:19 AM 8/5/2001 , you wrote:
<http://www.kalvos.org/ought1.html> (The Woodstock of Non-Pop)
Mostly OT due to low loop content

I'm going!  What do you have against low loops? - thought there were plenty of low-end guys here.    Seriously, my concert of solo processed/looped tuba is Sunday night - I'll look for you guys and catch you if I can.  Still looking for maybe another gig in that general area - have a few dark days before playing in NYC on Thursday, Aug. 30 - wanna to a triple-bill in New England, etc.?   

Tom
...........................................
Tom Heasley
Full Bleed Music, ASCAP
427 Alma St., Suite 206
Palo Alto, CA  94301
PH:  650.322.3633
FX:  603.849.7751
Cell: 650.387.0582
Listen to sound clips of 'Where the Earth Meets the Sky' at www.hypnos.com
bayimproviser.com/TomHeasley
 --=====================_2469185==_.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 16:30:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19448; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 16:24:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 16:24:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: Echoplex LoopStart? Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 13:16:10 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C11DB0.CB339710" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <96.180d8de7.289eb6b6@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <9_Il9D.A.AvE.fsab7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C11DB0.CB339710 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have never successfully used the LoopStart switch. >From reading the manual, its supposed to redefine the loop start at the instant of the button press. The manual doesn't show any other settings before this feature should work. Is there any possible user error I could be making before I'll have to chalk it up to a repair issue? All the other features are working fine. Thanks for the enlightening tips, meanwhile. Neil ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C11DB0.CB339710 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have=20 never successfully used the LoopStart switch.
 
From=20 reading the manual, its supposed to redefine the loop start at the = instant of=20 the button press.
 
The=20 manual doesn't show any other settings before this feature should work.=20
 
Is=20 there any possible user error I could be making before I'll have to = chalk it up=20 to a repair issue?
 
All=20 the other features are working fine.
 
Thanks=20 for the enlightening tips, meanwhile.
 
Neil
 
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C11DB0.CB339710-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 16:42:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20026; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 16:32:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 16:32:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.206.90.168] From: "Jon" To: References: <3B6D9639.22CD6A55@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Syncing to Midi Clock (governed by the drummer) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 13:31:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2001 20:31:29.0335 (UTC) FILETIME=[9B518470:01C11DED] Resent-Message-ID: <5J6SfB.A.T4E.A1ab7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Seems like it would be very easy (for someone other than myself) to mount a > switch to the bass drum beater that gives off a pulse. I have a good friend of > mine building me a device that takes the LED flash of my Roland MC-307 and turns > it into a tap tempo for my non-midi synchable Vortex. I also thought the LED > could slave a strobe aimed somewhat near the drummer. That why they'd have a > visual cue of what your tempo was. There are many times when I'm looping to a > sequence and there isn't much of a steady beat going on that I just watch those > blinky lights. Hi Mark, How hard is this light-sensor-controlled-light to build? I'd like to know if your friend is taking orders :> Jonathan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 17:59:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24222; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 17:57:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 17:57:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <96.180d8de7.289eb6b6@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 14:56:16 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex LoopStart? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:16 PM -0700 8/5/01, Neil Goldstein wrote: > I have never successfully used the LoopStart switch. From reading >the manual, its supposed to redefine the loop start at the instant of the >button press. The manual doesn't show any other settings before this >feature should work. Is there any possible user error I could be >making before I'll have to chalk it up to a repair issue? All the >other features are working fine. Thanks for the enlightening tips, >meanwhile. Neil This function of the EDP is actually called "StartPoint", and most likely you are just not understanding what it does. StartPoint lets you tell the Echoplex to consider a different point in your loop the "beginning". This has no audible effect at the time you do it, because the loop continues looping as it was. However, it makes a big difference for any functions that care where the start of the loop is. For example, Quantize and SwitchQuantize will now use your newly defined startpoint as the spot where they engage a function or switch to a new loop. (the point they quantize to.) If you are triggering loops to play from the start, this new startpoint is the point where they will start from. It can also make a difference for midi sync points. It does have a visual effect. When you record a loop, notice that the right-most decimal point of the display blinks each time the beginning of the loop comes by. When you change the startpoint of the loop, you will see this LED blink at your newly defined startpoint. StartPoint is a little odd to use as a function, because it is actually located in the Parameter matrix. So to access it you have to press the parameter button once to get to the P1 row, then press the button for startpoint. It doesn't have a midi command to directly access it in the current version, but in the next software it will. So let's try it. Turn the Quantize parameter On. Record a simple loop on your Echoplex. Make sure it is something where where you can obviously tell where the beginning is. (some percussive start or obvious rhythm or whatever.) Listen to it for a bit, and look at the StartPoint LED at the right of the display. It should be blinking each time your startpoint comes by. So you can see how functions care about the startpoint, press Mute somewhere in the middle of the loop. (it could be any function, but Mute makes this obvious.) The Echoplex will quantize this, and wait until the startpoint comes before muting the loop. If you press Mute again, you will again see the Echoplex wait until the startpoint comes before it UnMutes the loop. That should give you a clear idea about where the startpoint is and how it gets used. (you can also try triggering your loop from Mute, which is done by pressing the "insert" button while it is muted. you can press it repeatedly to re-trigger the loop and make it stutter from your startpoint.) Now let's move the startpoint somewhere else. Press the StartPoint button at some different point in the middle of your loop. (Do this by going to the P1 row with the Parameters button, listening for the right spot, then pressing the button for StartPoint, then go back to play mode). You should now see the StartPoint LED blink at a different point in your loop than it did before, which should be the spot where you just hit the StartPoint button. Press Mute again. The Echoplex will wait for this new StartPoint to Mute the loop. Try some re-triggering, you will hear it start from this new startpoint. So why is this useful? Say you created your loop in a very organic way, by slowly overdubbing bits here and there. It might start off without much rhythm to it, but over time some of the things you've overdubbed give the loop a distinct rhythm. Probably some point has emerged that feels like the "start" of the loop, and chances are it is nowhere near what the echoplex thinks is the startpoint. Maybe you want to start doing more rhythmic actions on the Echoplex based on this audible start of your loop, using quantize or whatever. So you quickly reset the StartPoint to this new spot in your loop, and then the Echoplex will use that as the beginning point for all quantize and sync actions. In the next generation of Echoplex software, these concepts will become even more interesting. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 18:12:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26036; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 18:09:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 18:09:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.1.20010805180331.009ecb90@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: taghairm@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 18:08:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: p koniuto Subject: Re: OT: Ought-1 Festival, Aug. 25-26, Montpelier, VT In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20010805114859.00a52100@martina.pobox.stanford.ed u> References: <3.0.5.32.20010805101958.007d6110@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010804135605.007d6a70@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010803220557.007cec90@pop.ici.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I, too, will be there. Although i'm not sure when i'm arriving or departing. Or what the heck to expect at all, come to think of it. But i am very much looking forward to it... Too bad those damned t-shirts aren't ready yet. How big is this thing, anyway--that is, what is expected attendance, anyone know? Grooves, peter koniuto >> (The Woodstock of Non-Pop) >>Mostly OT due to low loop content >I'm going! What do you have against low loops? - thought there were >plenty of low-end guys here. Seriously, my concert of solo >processed/looped tuba is Sunday night - I'll look for you guys and catch >you if I can. Still looking for maybe another gig in that general area - >have a few dark days before playing in NYC on Thursday, Aug. 30 - wanna to >a triple-bill in New England, etc.? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 18:33:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26750; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 18:29:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 18:29:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: Echoplex LoopStart? Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 15:25:16 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks very much Kim! Will be checking it out. The EDP has some functions that make me feel like I have a blinking 12:00 in my VCR until I get my hands on it and see that 'that wasn't so hard to grasp, was it' :-) Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] > Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 2:56 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Echoplex LoopStart? > > > At 1:16 PM -0700 8/5/01, Neil Goldstein wrote: > > I have never successfully used the LoopStart switch. From reading > >the manual, its supposed to redefine the loop start at the > instant of the > >button press. The manual doesn't show any other settings before this > >feature should work. Is there any possible user error I could be > >making before I'll have to chalk it up to a repair issue? All the > >other features are working fine. Thanks for the enlightening tips, > >meanwhile. Neil > > > This function of the EDP is actually called "StartPoint", and most likely > you are just not understanding what it does. > > StartPoint lets you tell the Echoplex to consider a different > point in your > loop the "beginning". > > This has no audible effect at the time you do it, because the loop > continues looping as it was. However, it makes a big difference for any > functions that care where the start of the loop is. For example, Quantize > and SwitchQuantize will now use your newly defined startpoint as the spot > where they engage a function or switch to a new loop. (the point they > quantize to.) If you are triggering loops to play from the > start, this new > startpoint is the point where they will start from. It can also make a > difference for midi sync points. > > It does have a visual effect. When you record a loop, notice that the > right-most decimal point of the display blinks each time the beginning of > the loop comes by. When you change the startpoint of the loop, > you will see > this LED blink at your newly defined startpoint. > > StartPoint is a little odd to use as a function, because it is actually > located in the Parameter matrix. So to access it you have to press the > parameter button once to get to the P1 row, then press the button for > startpoint. It doesn't have a midi command to directly access it in the > current version, but in the next software it will. > > So let's try it. Turn the Quantize parameter On. Record a simple loop on > your Echoplex. Make sure it is something where where you can > obviously tell > where the beginning is. (some percussive start or obvious rhythm or > whatever.) Listen to it for a bit, and look at the StartPoint LED at the > right of the display. It should be blinking each time your > startpoint comes > by. > > So you can see how functions care about the startpoint, press Mute > somewhere in the middle of the loop. (it could be any function, but Mute > makes this obvious.) The Echoplex will quantize this, and wait until the > startpoint comes before muting the loop. If you press Mute again, you will > again see the Echoplex wait until the startpoint comes before it UnMutes > the loop. That should give you a clear idea about where the startpoint is > and how it gets used. (you can also try triggering your loop from Mute, > which is done by pressing the "insert" button while it is muted. you can > press it repeatedly to re-trigger the loop and make it stutter from your > startpoint.) > > Now let's move the startpoint somewhere else. Press the StartPoint button > at some different point in the middle of your loop. (Do this by going to > the P1 row with the Parameters button, listening for the right spot, then > pressing the button for StartPoint, then go back to play mode). > You should > now see the StartPoint LED blink at a different point in your loop than it > did before, which should be the spot where you just hit the StartPoint > button. Press Mute again. The Echoplex will wait for this new > StartPoint to > Mute the loop. Try some re-triggering, you will hear it start > from this new > startpoint. > > So why is this useful? > > Say you created your loop in a very organic way, by slowly > overdubbing bits > here and there. It might start off without much rhythm to it, but > over time > some of the things you've overdubbed give the loop a distinct rhythm. > Probably some point has emerged that feels like the "start" of the loop, > and chances are it is nowhere near what the echoplex thinks is the > startpoint. Maybe you want to start doing more rhythmic actions on the > Echoplex based on this audible start of your loop, using quantize or > whatever. So you quickly reset the StartPoint to this new spot in your > loop, and then the Echoplex will use that as the beginning point for all > quantize and sync actions. > > In the next generation of Echoplex software, these concepts will become > even more interesting. > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 19:08:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29304; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 19:06:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 19:06:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010805190317.007dde20@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 19:03:17 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: OT: Ought-1 Festival, Aug. 25-26, Montpelier, VT In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.1.20010805180331.009ecb90@pop.mindspring.com> References: <4.2.0.58.20010805114859.00a52100@martina.pobox.stanford.ed u> <3.0.5.32.20010805101958.007d6110@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010804135605.007d6a70@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010803220557.007cec90@pop.ici.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:08 PM 8/5/01 -0700, peter koniuto wrote: >How big is this thing, anyway--that is, >what is expected attendance, anyone know? I'm not really sure, but one of the halls at the original location (Goddard College in Plainfield, VT) is supposed to hold 400-500 people. If that's not sufficient, they must be expecting a pretty good crowd. -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 19:33:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30219; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 19:31:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 19:31:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 16:33:49 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: OT: Ought-1 Festival, Aug. 25-26, Montpelier, VT In-reply-to: <5.0.2.1.1.20010805180331.009ecb90@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <3.0.5.32.20010805101958.007d6110@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010804135605.007d6a70@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010803220557.007cec90@pop.ici.net> <5.0.2.1.1.20010805180331.009ecb90@pop.mindspring.com> Resent-Message-ID: <9ME9aC.A.qXH.rcdb7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tom Heasley wrote: >> (The Woodstock of Non-Pop) >> >I'm going!...my concert of solo processed/looped tuba is Sunday night I'll be there as well. My octaphonic tape piece "Frikkit!" will be on a program of multichannel works, presumably running throughout both days. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 19:44:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30891; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 19:42:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 19:42:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 19:41:48 -0400 Subject: Re: Echoplex LoopStart? From: Doug Miller To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <69ZdiB.A.SiH.4mdb7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How will this new version be delevered to EDP users? And how will it be installed? > In the next generation of Echoplex software, these concepts will become > even more interesting. ------------------------- Doug Miller Graphic Designer http://www.dispatch.com http://www.cccn.org http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 20:19:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA00771; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 20:16:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 20:16:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 17:16:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex LoopStart? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:41 PM -0700 8/5/01, Doug Miller wrote: >How will this new version be delevered to EDP users? by mail, on new EPROMs, price is TBD. >And how will it be >installed? with fingers and screwdriver. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 20:24:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01108; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 20:21:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 20:21:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c11e0e$32075000$57944e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: Echoplex LoopStart? Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 20:24:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>How will this new version be delevered to EDP users? > >by mail, on new EPROMs, price is TBD. > >>And how will it be >>installed? > >with fingers and screwdriver. And where do you get *those*? ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 20:31:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01544; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 20:29:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 20:29:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 20:28:51 -0400 Subject: Okay, then here is some gear for sale! vx pocket From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for all the feedback on posting gear for sale... Now for all you laptop folks, last week I put up a vx pocket audio card for auction on digibid, brand spankin' new after I had fried it with phantom power. Fostex who now does the customer support, sent me a brand new one with warranty card and everything... So if you wish, bid away!!! here is the description and the link... It's great for max/msp, reason, acid, anything, really... The VXpocket Type II PC Card allows you to perform serious audio production and analysis on your laptop computer. It offers professional audio quality plus compatibility with the most popular applications under both Windows 95/98/NT and Mac OS. Features: 24-bit converters; two balanced analog mono inputs at microphone or line level, and two balanced analog outputs; S/PDIF input and output allowing direct digital transfer; a break-out cable with XLR connectors for the analog inputs and outputs and RCA phono (CINCH) connectors for the digital I/O; 16-bit performance with Microsoft WAVE protocol and MacOS Sound Manager; ASIO driver available for 24-bit operation with compliant applications. http://www.digibid.com/item/showItem.cfm?aid=71517 Let me know if you have any questions, but off the list of course... And thanks for checkin' it out... All the best, Todd Reynolds From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 20:48:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02265; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 20:46:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 20:46:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Echoplex: Fun with the PMC-10 Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 17:46:46 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all-- Kim has encouraged me to share my remedial knowledge of the Echoplex with the list, so here is an item I have had some success with-- It uses the PMC-10, a MIDI controller, so it's not for everyone-- I have configured one of the switches to double multiply on string A and double record on string B, so that it acts as a loop length set button with the quantize on--that way, you can create a loop, do lots of odd things to it, and then create a new loop of any length using whatever material is left in memory by holding the switch down for the length of the new loop. Is this the sort of thing anybody else has done? I will try to think of something else--'course I don't wanna give any secrets away--;^| Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 20:50:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02458; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 20:48:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 20:48:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 20:48:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Echoplex LoopStart? From: Doug Miller To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sounds great! Any time frame in mind for release? >> How will this new version be delevered to EDP users? > > by mail, on new EPROMs, price is TBD. > >> And how will it be >> installed? > > with fingers and screwdriver. ______________________________ Doug Miller Graphic Designer http://www.dispatch.com http://www.cccn.org http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 22:43:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15332; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 22:39:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 22:39:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 19:38:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex LoopStart? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com LOL!! you don't really think we are going to fall into that trap do you? On this list? Hahaha! We're not that foolish. nice try, kim At 5:48 PM -0700 8/5/01, Doug Miller wrote: >Sounds great! Any time frame in mind for release? > >>> How will this new version be delevered to EDP users? >> >> by mail, on new EPROMs, price is TBD. >> >>> And how will it be >>> installed? >> >> with fingers and screwdriver. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 07:17:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA09304; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 07:15:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 07:15:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B6E96D4.DF4D3FC2@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 13:08:36 +0000 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex: Fun with the PMC-10 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gary Lehmann wrote: > > Hi all-- > Kim has encouraged me to share my remedial knowledge of the Echoplex with > the list, so here is an item I have had some success with-- > It uses the PMC-10, a MIDI controller, so it's not for everyone-- > I have configured one of the switches to double multiply on string A and > double record on string B, so that it acts as a loop length set button with > the quantize on--that way, you can create a loop, do lots of odd things to > it, and then create a new loop of any length using whatever material is left > in memory by holding the switch down for the length of the new loop. > Is this the sort of thing anybody else has done? > I will try to think of something else--'course I don't wanna give any > secrets away--;^| > Gary one of my main edp page/bank on the pmc10 is top row Feedback : 0 32 64 96 127 botom row volume : 0 60 80 100 The 100 value is not the max because I want to keep some volume on the side in case of volume mismatch the whole range is taken care by my peavey pc1600X wich is EDP friendly (but not a footcontroler) the feedback in steps allows me to, while not playin, enter overdub and at some musical point hit a lower feedback value and begin playin new material that will take its place in the loop very easily when the loop is already crowded. Its a good way to change subject. The above values are to be adapted on your own system and music If Sean http://sean_.home.mindspring.com/pmc/index.html once gives us Cut copy and paste in his pmc10 PC editor (Raymond) we could exchange patches and banks......... Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 10:43:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28603; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 10:41:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 10:41:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008501c11e97$e2969960$c9099818@default> From: "Daniel" To: Cc: Subject: help with protools Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 10:50:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0082_01C11E65.978FD300" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0082_01C11E65.978FD300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2 embarrasing questions guys, how do I grab a piece of a track to edit = or copy and paste? 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------=_NextPart_000_0082_01C11E65.978FD300-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 10:45:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28892; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 10:43:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 10:43:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4036A094D96A9549A6D6CCD979F1F363623DD8@engin-mail2> From: Darcy Clark To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Reaktor - looper construction possible ? Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 10:41:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'm thinking seriously about investing in Native Instruments soft-synth Reaktor, but before I do, I wanted to see whether anybody on the list has used it to construct a software looper that matches the capabilities of a somewhat basic hardware looper. By this I mean : - tap tempo delay (i.e. tap a footswitch or midi note to set delay times and record loop) - overdub It would also be nice to be able to : - have separate loops - midi sync - filtering and other effects on each independant loop So I'm taking about more than just a long delay with infinite repeat here :) So can Reaktor do all this ? cheers, darcy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 11:28:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31830; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 11:26:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 11:26:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01c11e8c$1953edb0$51cec22b@cambmaya04> From: "Os" To: References: <4036A094D96A9549A6D6CCD979F1F363623DD8@engin-mail2> Subject: Re: Reaktor - looper construction possible ? Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:26:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Reaktor is fantastic, I'd urge you to buy it even if it couldn't do what you describe below. However, I'm pretty sure you could do it all. The only thing that isn't obvious to me is how you'd do the tap tempo, but I'm sure it's possible. (I just went to http://www.native-instruments.net/index.php?userlibrary_us and searched for 'tap tempo' and it came up with something.) os. os@scee.sony.co.uk http://www.mp3.com/carbonboy/ http://www.mp3.com/darkroomuk/ http://www.collective.co.uk/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darcy Clark" To: Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 3:41 PM Subject: Reaktor - looper construction possible ? > Hi, > > I'm thinking seriously about investing in Native Instruments soft-synth > Reaktor, but before I do, I wanted to see whether anybody on the list has > used it to construct a software looper that matches the capabilities of a > somewhat basic hardware looper. By this I mean : > > - tap tempo delay (i.e. tap a footswitch or midi note to set delay times and > record loop) > - overdub > > It would also be nice to be able to : > > - have separate loops > - midi sync > - filtering and other effects on each independant loop > > So I'm taking about more than just a long delay with infinite repeat here :) > So can Reaktor do all this ? > > cheers, > > darcy > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 11:56:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01150; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 11:55:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 11:55:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Echoplex: Fun with the PMC-10 Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 08:54:05 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3B6E96D4.DF4D3FC2@vtx.ch> Resent-Message-ID: <0SmvlC.A.kP.01rb7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gary Lehmann wrote: > > Hi all-- > Kim has encouraged me to share my remedial knowledge of the Echoplex with > the list, so here is an item I have had some success with-- > It uses the PMC-10, a MIDI controller, so it's not for everyone-- > I have configured one of the switches to double multiply on string A and > double record on string B, so that it acts as a loop length set button with > the quantize on--that way, you can create a loop, do lots of odd things to > it, and then create a new loop of any length using whatever material is left > in memory by holding the switch down for the length of the new loop. > Is this the sort of thing anybody else has done? > I will try to think of something else--'course I don't wanna give any > secrets away--;^| > Gary To which Claude Voit replied: **one of my main edp page/bank on the pmc10 is **top row Feedback : 0 32 64 96 127 **botom row volume : 0 60 80 100 ** **The 100 value is not the max because I want to keep some volume on the **side in case of volume mismatch **the whole range is taken care by my peavey pc1600X wich is EDP friendly **(but not a footcontroler) ** **the feedback in steps allows me to, while not playin, enter overdub and **at some musical point **hit a lower feedback value and begin playin new material that will take **its place in the loop very easily when the loop is already crowded. Its **a good way to change subject. ** **The above values are to be adapted on your own system and music ** **If Sean http://sean_.home.mindspring.com/pmc/index.html once gives us **Cut copy and paste in his pmc10 PC editor (Raymond) we could exchange **patches and banks......... Interesting . . . So you can mix and match volumes and feedback levels! I have managed to create one bank (nine patches) which very nearly do everything I HAVE to have for the EDP. 3 of the 9 are combos of the two footpedals (used for volumes and feedback levels) set as such--simultaneous (one pedal controls volumes and feedback levels simultaneously), volume and fade (with the feedback {"fade"} set from 44-127 with negative polarity so that more volume=less feedback) and a third pedal combo with volume scaled from 0-99 (as opposed to 127) and feedback scaled 64-127. Since the PMC can send values from the pedals when patches are triggered this allows for a variety of combinations. Of course, this bank Claude has created shows how great it is to have a bank just for volumes and feedback levels. But it's a pain to search thru banks (or patches) for the right pedal. It's nice to use a sequencer for settings too, but I'm trying to scale back! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 14:40:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11542; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 14:33:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 14:33:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <4036A094D96A9549A6D6CCD979F1F363623DD8@engin-mail2> <001d01c11e8c$1953edb0$51cec22b@cambmaya04> Subject: Re: Reaktor - looper construction possible ? Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 11:30:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2001 18:30:44.0358 (UTC) FILETIME=[E7638260:01C11EA5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I believe there is already an echoplex emulation in the user archives. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Os" To: Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 8:26 AM Subject: Re: Reaktor - looper construction possible ? > Reaktor is fantastic, I'd urge you to buy it even if it couldn't do what you > describe below. > > However, I'm pretty sure you could do it all. The only thing that isn't > obvious to me is how you'd do the tap tempo, but I'm sure it's possible. (I > just went to > http://www.native-instruments.net/index.php?userlibrary_us > and searched for 'tap tempo' and it came up with something.) > > > os. > > os@scee.sony.co.uk > http://www.mp3.com/carbonboy/ > http://www.mp3.com/darkroomuk/ > http://www.collective.co.uk/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Darcy Clark" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 3:41 PM > Subject: Reaktor - looper construction possible ? > > > > Hi, > > > > I'm thinking seriously about investing in Native Instruments soft-synth > > Reaktor, but before I do, I wanted to see whether anybody on the list has > > used it to construct a software looper that matches the capabilities of a > > somewhat basic hardware looper. By this I mean : > > > > - tap tempo delay (i.e. tap a footswitch or midi note to set delay times > and > > record loop) > > - overdub > > > > It would also be nice to be able to : > > > > - have separate loops > > - midi sync > > - filtering and other effects on each independant loop > > > > So I'm taking about more than just a long delay with infinite repeat here > :) > > So can Reaktor do all this ? > > > > cheers, > > > > darcy > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 17:56:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24219; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 17:55:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 17:55:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 17:52:45 -0400 Subject: Re: Echoplex Loop Start From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200108061840.OAA12055@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3079965165_2127826_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3079965165_2127826_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thanks for the tutorial on the loopstart, Kim -- like all your current thoughts on the echoplex, it's really informative and inspiring. Usually when I want to redefine the loopstart point during a performance, I use the multiply/record press to do it. The advantage is, I don't have to use my hands to get into the parameters page -- I can do it straight from the pedal. For those of you unfamiliar with this, all you need do is press multiply to redefine the start point and record to end the new loop -- that will create a new loop out of current material with the start point defined by your press of 'multiply'. Cheers! --MS_Mac_OE_3079965165_2127826_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re:  Echoplex Loop Start Thanks for the tutorial on the loopstart, Kim -- like all yo= ur current thoughts on the echoplex, it's really informative and inspiring.<= BR> Usually when I want to redefine the loopstart point during a performance, I= use the multiply/record press to do it.
The advantage is, I don't have to use my hands to get into the parameters p= age -- I can do it straight from the pedal.
For those of you unfamiliar with this, all you need do is press multiply to= redefine the start point and record to end the new loop -- that will create= a new loop out of current material with the start point defined by your pre= ss of 'multiply'.
Cheers! --MS_Mac_OE_3079965165_2127826_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 19:21:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29751; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 19:19:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 19:19:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 16:18:40 -0700 From: "Miko Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Echoplex manual discussion online Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id TAA29680 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the new thread, whoever got this started... Thanks for all this great information Kim! This is why I own an EDP... I don't care how bitchin' other loopers may be... There's just no denying that the EDP defines a looping paradigm no one else has entered yet. You'll still have to get an EDP to handle things like this. Maybe I WILL get a second one for stereo operation! -Miko Miko Biffle - Miko.Biffle@asml.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" >>> Miko queried: >>>OK... I want to know if you can insert (replace mode) while multiplying? The other modes don't seem to apply here because they mess with the time structure of the multiply, but I'd love to have the ability to replace while doing a multiply. Anyone? >> So I gave it a whiz! And it sure does replace! 'Course I had to turn the quantize off, as well as setting insert to replace, but when I multiplied and then inserted DURING multiply, it elegantly inserted audio which did not include the material being multiplied! Kim wrote... > yes, that is correct, but there is much more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 21:08:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04115; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 21:07:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 21:07:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010806210341.007d6810@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 21:03:41 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: UPS for looping? In-Reply-To: <3B69EC9F.F7DB671@five12.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tonight as I was happily engrossed in my rig, multiple loops a'blazin', thinking "How much MORE fun could I possibly be having on such a hot and humid evening?", with nary a warning the power fluctuated, the lights dimmed and, of course, I experienced the inevitable loopus interruptus. It happened twice about an hour apart, only for about a half a second each time, but enough to say goodbye to the contents of volatile memory, and grind my fun right to a screeching halt. It got me to thinking; have any of you experimented with using an Uninterruptable Power Supply on your racks and pedalboards? I dunno, would it work? Maybe a UPS would keep the loop going through power blinks, and give a little time to shut down properly in the event of an actual power failure. I've seen them for as low as $50-$80, but I don't know too much about them and have never really heard of anyone using them for anything but computer gear. Any thoughts? -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 21:39:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04880; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 21:20:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 21:20:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 21:20:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200108070120.VAA27480@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: UPS for looping? X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 66.9.67.98 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <9ee-1D.A.DMB.gJ0b7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The trouble with UPSes is that they generate square wave power trains instead of sine waves so that they often produce a nasty hummmmm in the system. It depends a lot on your gear. A power conditioner between the unit and the gear would probably be VERY useful. Your Mileage May Vary... make sure you can take the unit back if it doesn't do what you like. /t -- I am the wombat. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 00:25:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA23142; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 00:23:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 00:23:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: UPS for looping? Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 21:23:31 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010806210341.007d6810@pop.ici.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <7lJwEC.A.KpF.Y02b7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How about using the Far Outlet by Galaxy Audio, a remote source of AC power? That way you can ensure that the power won't fluctuate, and you'll have the bonus of portable AC when you want/need it (busking, desert jams) . . . I bought one when they first came out, and it has come in handy on several occasions. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 03:10:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA32160; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 03:09:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 03:09:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 03:08:22 EDT Subject: Echoplex LoopStart? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I have never successfully used the LoopStart switch. > Hi Neil You probabably have used the LoopStart switch correctly. It won't show up immediately, you'll only notice the difference under the following circumstances. 1) Use Multiply, Insert, Overdub, Reverse or Replace while Quantise = On 2) Leave your Loop when SwitchQuant = CYC 3) Return to your Loop from another, (or start your loop with a MIDI signal), with SampleMode=Att (or OnE) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 03:56:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01409; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 03:55:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 03:55:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c11f16$3bbda370$51cec22b@cambmaya04> From: "Os" To: References: <4036A094D96A9549A6D6CCD979F1F363623DD8@engin-mail2> <001d01c11e8c$1953edb0$51cec22b@cambmaya04> Subject: Re: Reaktor - looper construction possible ? Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 08:54:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <3pCRC.A.VV.M75b7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I believe there is already an echoplex emulation in the user archives. I believe you're right, though I think it's an emulation of the old Echoplex rather than the EDP. cheers, os. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Os" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 8:26 AM > Subject: Re: Reaktor - looper construction possible ? > > > > Reaktor is fantastic, I'd urge you to buy it even if it couldn't do what > you > > describe below. > > > > However, I'm pretty sure you could do it all. The only thing that isn't > > obvious to me is how you'd do the tap tempo, but I'm sure it's possible. > (I > > just went to > > http://www.native-instruments.net/index.php?userlibrary_us > > and searched for 'tap tempo' and it came up with something.) > > > > > > os. > > > > os@scee.sony.co.uk > > http://www.mp3.com/carbonboy/ > > http://www.mp3.com/darkroomuk/ > > http://www.collective.co.uk/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Darcy Clark" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 3:41 PM > > Subject: Reaktor - looper construction possible ? > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I'm thinking seriously about investing in Native Instruments soft-synth > > > Reaktor, but before I do, I wanted to see whether anybody on the list > has > > > used it to construct a software looper that matches the capabilities of > a > > > somewhat basic hardware looper. By this I mean : > > > > > > - tap tempo delay (i.e. tap a footswitch or midi note to set delay times > > and > > > record loop) > > > - overdub > > > > > > It would also be nice to be able to : > > > > > > - have separate loops > > > - midi sync > > > - filtering and other effects on each independant loop > > > > > > So I'm taking about more than just a long delay with infinite repeat > here > > :) > > > So can Reaktor do all this ? > > > > > > cheers, > > > > > > darcy > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 05:09:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA05644; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 05:08:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 05:08:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B6FCA61.FDA99C7F@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 11:00:49 +0000 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex Loop Start References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0NuNkD.A.6XB.U_6b7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve Sandberg wrote: > > Thanks for the tutorial on the loopstart, Kim -- like all your current > thoughts on the echoplex, it's really informative and inspiring. > Usually when I want to redefine the loopstart point during a > performance, I use the multiply/record press to do it. > The advantage is, I don't have to use my hands to get into the > parameters page -- I can do it straight from the pedal. > For those of you unfamiliar with this, all you need do is press > multiply to redefine the start point and record to end the new loop -- > that will create a new loop out of current material with the start > point defined by your press of 'multiply'. > Cheers! the begginner must be careful though because Multiply-Record chops the loop (if early) or adds a small chunk of "next" loop (we passed loop point) No undo in this operation we remember sometimes that we need to practice the EDP, as an instrument. Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 05:25:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA06220; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 05:24:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 05:24:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4EA6@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> References: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4EA6@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 11:23:54 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: (NEW) rack to floor cables?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hi, > >I use this black plastic tubing and wire wraps to do this. THe tubing is >kind of like washing machine tubing , a little mroe flexible than pvc platic >pipe. there is a special spiral plastic in form of a tube, so you dont need to take off the connectors and push the cable through the tube. And you have a loop arround your cables :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 05:57:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA07380; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 05:56:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 05:56:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <90.1847d139.28a11516@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 05:55:34 EDT Subject: Another EDP BUG(x2) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com InsertMode=REV Quantise=OFF Hit Insert>Record>Undo Results in unpredictable replay of a particular memory segment. This is potentially a way to "get back" a loop after a long press of Record. This was dicovered while trying some of Andre's tricks. tried to Insert a section ending in Record, realised it hadn't worked (wrong InsertMode) and hit Undo to try again. Was treated to a revisit to a loop from way back. ...and recently I've been switching between loops, and when one loop is in Overdub mode and the loop your switching to isn't you get a tiny overdub on to the loop even though it's not in Overdub. I guess the Overdub function just doesn't turn off fast enough. (bet that's a hard one to fix!) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 05:57:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA07384; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 05:56:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 05:56:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 05:55:35 EDT Subject: Echoplex Tricks To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 1) Set up a wash type loop (all fade-ins) then overdub a rhythmic part by hitting Multiply and ending with Record. 2) Set up a loop. Then take a section of it and repeat it. Then go back to the original. SwitchQuant=Cnf SampleMode=RUn MoreLoops = 2 Set up loop NextLoop (EDP waits for confirm) wait till the start of the bit for repetition Multiply (confirms NextLoop) wait for the duration of the portion you wish to repeat(now playing) Record(starts repeating) NextLoop( EDP waits for confirm) Undo(go back to main loop, you'll hear one more repeat) if the last Undo is at the end of the repeated loop then you get an even effect, otherwise the next to last repeat will be cut short. ...back to the EDP andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 08:51:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA15977; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 08:49:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 08:49:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 08:48:51 EDT Subject: EDP Bugs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hope I'm not putting anyone off the EDP by posting these bugs. They're all very minor and don't affect the normal running of the device. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 09:22:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA18364; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 09:21:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 09:21:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <069601c11f43$d19bc0c0$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <4.2.0.58.20010805114859.00a52100@martina.pobox.stanford.ed u> <3.0.5.32.20010805101958.007d6110@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010804135605.007d6a70@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010803220557.007cec90@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010805190317.007dde20@pop.ici.net> Subject: Music Online Competition Act Of 2001 Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 14:21:02 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you can believe THIS one... Bits regarding not only limits of percentages to be paid to us for people playing our work, but also potentially limiting us to only ONE site per work, if we want to get paid. Read and participate in the process of turning this into something that doesn't just benefit big record conglomerates. http://mi2n.com/press.php3?press_nb=25861 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 11:16:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31430; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 11:14:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 11:14:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B700646.4CA230EB@ernieball.com> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 08:16:22 -0700 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: gig spam: armatronix w/ dj diji-d @ slo brew thursday 8-9-2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hello loopers- i am pleased to announce that armatronix will be playing this thursday, august 9th 2001 at slo brewing company in downtown san luis obispo, california. this will be our slotown debut, and we intend to make it extra-special for all of you. the armatron soundcomputer has been wired to test the limits of slo brew's new "state-of-the-art" sound system with a mixture of smooth analog and gritty digital signals (and vice-versa), producing only the freshest beats for your listening enjoyment and dancing pleasure. armatronix' own dj diji-d will open the show with a special set beginning at 9:30 pm. a fabulous prize will be awarded to the best breakdancer. this show is limited to those eighteen years and older (with id). admission is a measly three dollars. what fans all the way from goleta to san jose are saying about armatronix: "wow, that was cool!" "kong kong kong" "what are all those knobs for?" "is that a heart monitor or something?" "word" "i don't really like electronic music" remember: prolonged exposure (i.e. >15 min) to high sound pressure levels can permanently damage your hearing. it did mine. please do yourself a favor - wear ear filters to this and all concerts. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 12:04:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02258; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:02:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:02:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20010807090037.03596860@popmail.ucsd.edu> X-Sender: jthornton@popmail.ucsd.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 09:01:21 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: FOR SALE: VG8 with S-1 expansion card and gig bag Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got a VG8 with S-1 expansion card and gig bag for sale for $475. Email me if you're interested. Thanks! Jason From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 12:24:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03196; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:23:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:23:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ejdrake@pop.mindspring.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:24:41 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ed and Jennifer Drake Subject: Request for new Echoplex feature Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Many thanks to kim for his recent Echoplex tutorials and intriguing hints about what will be in the new Echoplex software. Kim, since you won't tell us when the software will come out, maybe you could give us a rundown on what stuff is definitely going to be in it. There have been lot of hints you've dropped since Loop III came out and it would be nice to have the new features listed all in one place. At the risk of starting a loopers feeding frenzy, it may spark discussion on other features people want to see. One thing I would like is to have both Insert and Reverse be available via MIDI without going to the front panel. It is a pain to switch back and forth (Insert or Reverse) via front panel in the middle of a loop[. Thanks! Ed From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 14:16:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10528; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 14:14:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 14:14:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008b01c11f6c$1b9d0990$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Request for new Echoplex feature Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:09:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > One thing I would like is to have both Insert and Reverse be available via > MIDI without going to the front panel. It is a pain to switch back and > forth (Insert or Reverse) via front panel in the middle of a loop[. Since all the front panel switches are "MIDI addressable", can't you access both Insert and Reverse via MIDI? Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 15:17:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14747; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:15:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:15:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Request for new Echoplex feature Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:14:04 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <008b01c11f6c$1b9d0990$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The short answer is "no"-- You have to go to parameters, then change the value for insert to "reverse--" Needs a sequence of events to do with MIDI, which makes it tough to do with a footpedal-- However, I recall hearing Mattias or Kim posting that this was one of the upgrade features. I love my EDP! Wish I had more time to play with it--business other than music beckons-- Gary -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Leas [mailto:dennis@mdbs.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 11:09 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Request for new Echoplex feature > One thing I would like is to have both Insert and Reverse be available via > MIDI without going to the front panel. It is a pain to switch back and > forth (Insert or Reverse) via front panel in the middle of a loop[. Since all the front panel switches are "MIDI addressable", can't you access both Insert and Reverse via MIDI? Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 16:37:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19057; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:35:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:35:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <008b01c11f6c$1b9d0990$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <008b01c11f6c$1b9d0990$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:33:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: Request for new Echoplex feature Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:09 PM -0500 8/7/01, Dennis Leas wrote: > > One thing I would like is to have both Insert and Reverse be available via >> MIDI without going to the front panel. It is a pain to switch back and >> forth (Insert or Reverse) via front panel in the middle of a loop[. > >Since all the front panel switches are "MIDI addressable", can't you access >both Insert and Reverse via MIDI? This is one of my long-time gripes with the EDP. What you can do over MIDI is to virtually press buttons in the EDP UI. You can't directly address the underlying functionality. I've directed enough whining about this to Kim and Eric Obermuhlner (sp?) in the early days of the EDP to fill a swimming pool. I'm pretty sure that Kim told me to shut up my whining and relax; that it would be fixed in the next major release. Of course, Kim was much nicer about it than that, and yet, more sarcastic at the same time (a quality that I aspire to). Chris -- _________________________________________________________ The optimist sees a glass half full... | Chris Muir The pessimist sees a glass half empty... | cbm@well.com The realist sees a glass twice as big as it needs to be. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 16:53:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22039; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:51:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:51:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a501c11f82$3c5d6dd0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <008b01c11f6c$1b9d0990$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: Request for new Echoplex feature Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:47:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This is one of my long-time gripes with the EDP. What you can do over > MIDI is to virtually press buttons in the EDP UI. You can't directly > address the underlying functionality. I've directed enough whining > about this to Kim and Eric Obermuhlner (sp?) in the early days of the > EDP to fill a swimming pool. Interesting. I'm not clear on what you mean by "address the underlying functionality". Can you describe this more? Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 17:25:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29046; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 17:23:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 17:23:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 14:23:59 -0700 Subject: Klein guitar for sale From: Michael Horton To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I just spoke with Lorenzo and he has a redwood-bodied guitar for sale. The buyer backed out so now's the chance to get one without the 11-month wait. Besides the redwood body with burgundy translucent finish, it has Bartolini pickups in a hum/single/hum configuration. You can contact Lorenzo at (925) 516-9338. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 18:04:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04956; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 18:02:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 18:02:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <96.1832ca0c.28a1bf02@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 18:00:34 EDT Subject: Re: Klein guitar for sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_96.1832ca0c.28a1bf02_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10532 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_96.1832ca0c.28a1bf02_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/7/01 5:23:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, housewife@earthlink.net writes: > Besides the redwood body with burgundy translucent finish, it has > i didnt need to hear about this!.....sweet....:)m --part1_96.1832ca0c.28a1bf02_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/7/01 5:23:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
housewife@earthlink.net writes:


Besides the redwood body with burgundy translucent finish, it has
Bartolini pickups in a hum/single/hum configuration.


i didnt need to hear about this!.....sweet....:)m --part1_96.1832ca0c.28a1bf02_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 18:13:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06814; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 18:11:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 18:11:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 08:48:44 -0700 From: "Miko Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: UPS power backup... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA06689 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Tim, They definitely work... I have one here at work which was about $75 bucks which is working nicely. I have one friend who has a Furman rack mount one which gives him about ½ hour of time. He has a few stories about being able to continue a show while everyone else was scurrying about in a tizzy. I'll probably get one for my studio space at home. I believe the rack mount Furman was pretty expensive in the $300-$500 range though. Anyone have more specifics on rack-mount units? Miko Biffle - Miko.Biffle@asml.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" >>> tcn62@ici.net 08/06/01 06:03PM >>> It got me to thinking; have any of you experimented with using an Uninterruptable Power Supply on your racks and pedalboards? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 18:29:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16062; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 18:28:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 18:28:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010807182441.007cf2c0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 18:24:41 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: UPS power backup... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA15922 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:48 AM 8/7/01 -0700, you wrote: >They definitely work... I have [a UPS] here at work which was about $75 bucks which is working nicely. I have one friend who has a Furman rack mount one which gives him about ½ hour of time. Hi Miko, Wow, I was just concerned with keeping the loop going through a _momentary_ power loss, not a rolling blackout! You know, like when an inebriated audient trips on your extension cord for a second or something... There's no issue with it needing additional filtering or conditioning? It's clean power? -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 19:02:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21760; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 18:57:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 18:57:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 15:56:16 -0700 From: "Miko Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Request for new Echoplex feature Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA21644 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Chris Muir... >> This is one of my long-time gripes with the EDP. What you can do over MIDI is to virtually press buttons in the EDP UI. You can't directly address the underlying functionality. I've directed enough whining about this to Kim and Eric Obermuhlner (sp?) in the early days of the EDP to fill a swimming pool. > Interesting. I'm not clear on what you mean by "address the underlying functionality". Can you describe this more? Eg. Instead of the current system of programming between 1 and 4 of the base parameter (cc36) value (or note on) and another base cc value + to get to a function, then that value the correct number of times to get to the function setting... you would just program 1 cc value and you're there. This is a major gripe of mine as well... The Digitech PMC-10 handles this ok, but this is still very oblique IMO. I hate the menial labor involved in dinking with midi control of the EDP So... There's 4 parameter rows and 7 functions in each row. Because you're controller doesn't know what state the EDP is in you need to program one 'long press' so you're starting from the correct and predictable point. For example... If you want to change a parameter on the Insert function (it's in parameter row 2, function 4) You'll need to do a long press of the parameter button (I just do this manually) then send 2 more presses of cc36, then send cc41 (this just gets you to the function) then the correct number of presses of cc41 to toggle around to one of the four available parameters. So you could have a total of 7 cc's required to arrive at your destination. This is doable, but fraught with many possible pitfalls, all of which I've fallen into using midi with the EDP. So was it economy which caused this system? One cc value for parameter and 7 more to get to all other functions? Assigning a unique value to everything requires a base minumum of 28 cc's. Each function might have up to 4 choices available. Let's say an average of 3 to be generous. That's 84 cc's... Probably less. What's up with this Kim? Is it going to be unique cc's for the next upgrade or the scrolling system now in place? -Miko Miko Biffle - Miko.Biffle@asml.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 19:03:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23512; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 19:00:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 19:00:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 15:59:28 -0700 From: "Miko Biffle" To: Subject: Re: UPS power backup... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA23408 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>They definitely work... I have [a UPS] here at work which was about $75 bucks which is working nicely. I have one friend who has a Furman rack mount one which gives him about ½ hour of time. > Hi Miko, Wow, I was just concerned with keeping the loop going through a _momentary_ power loss, not a rolling blackout! You know, like when an inebriated audient trips on your extension cord for a second or something... There's no issue with it needing additional filtering or conditioning? It's clean power? I don't know how clean the power is on my UPS at work, but my friend reports that the Furman UPS/conditioner has been great (this is second-hand... I can't afford one meself). -Miko Miko Biffle - Miko.Biffle@asml.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 20:49:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11433; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 20:47:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 20:47:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 20:45:42 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: [nyc show] un-update Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just wanted to let you know that the nyc gig is not forgotten but there has been little progress. dt is off to LA and we haven't heard anything from the Knit. I got a positive response from the DJ LLoop which is good, and we are closer to a headliner... I have a few update sent to me and some mp3s to make as well, which will happen in the next few days... back to work! /t .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 22:59:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30064; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 22:57:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 22:57:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 19:55:51 -0700 Subject: Re: Klein guitar for sale From: Michael Horton To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <96.1832ca0c.28a1bf02@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3080058952_1138141_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3080058952_1138141_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 8/7/01 3:00 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com at Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 8/7/01 5:23:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, housewife@earthlink.net writes: Besides the redwood body with burgundy translucent finish, it has Bartolini pickups in a hum/single/hum configuration. i didnt need to hear about this!.....sweet....:)m Hey, give him a call. Don't you have a spare $3,500 laying around? Seriously, though, Lorenzo mentioned that he would give a good price on it although I have no idea how much of a discount one would get. I also don't know if redwood is more expensive than swamp ash or alder (mine is alder w/a swamp ash back piece). Michael --MS_Mac_OE_3080058952_1138141_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Klein guitar for sale on 8/7/01 3:00 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com at Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 8/7/01 5:23:43 PM Eastern Day= light Time,
housewife@earthlink.net writes:


Besides the redwood body with burgundy tr= anslucent finish, it has
Bartolini pickups in a hum/single/hum configuration.


i didnt need to hear about this!.....sweet....:)m

Hey, give him a call. Don't you have a spare $3,500 laying around? Seriousl= y, though, Lorenzo mentioned that he would give a good price on it although = I have no idea how much of a discount one would get. I also don't know if re= dwood is more expensive than swamp ash or alder (mine is alder w/a swamp ash= back piece).
Michael --MS_Mac_OE_3080058952_1138141_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 23:50:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA00486; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 23:49:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 23:49:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: THusken@aol.com Message-ID: <105.7606a6d.28a21086@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 23:48:22 EDT Subject: Re: Klein guitar for sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_105.7606a6d.28a21086_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10528 Resent-Message-ID: <557UkC.A.5G.MaLc7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_105.7606a6d.28a21086_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yikes! My yearly tax refund 'fun money' is much too far away! -Todd --part1_105.7606a6d.28a21086_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yikes!  My yearly tax refund 'fun money' is much too far away!  -Todd --part1_105.7606a6d.28a21086_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 23:57:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA00944; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 23:56:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 23:56:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: THusken@aol.com Message-ID: <68.1275f8b2.28a21247@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 23:55:51 EDT Subject: Re: UPS power backup... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_68.1275f8b2.28a21247_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10528 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_68.1275f8b2.28a21247_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Forgive me for being potentially anal on this, but in regard to Furman units...does anyone have any experience with Balanced Power units. Does anyone think they may improve the overall noise potential of a rack system or is it much ado about nothing? -Todd --part1_68.1275f8b2.28a21247_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Forgive me for being potentially anal on this, but in regard to Furman
units...does anyone have any experience with Balanced Power units.  Does
anyone think they may improve the overall noise potential of a rack system or
is it much ado about nothing?  -Todd --part1_68.1275f8b2.28a21247_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 02:47:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA14794; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 02:46:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 02:46:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004201c11fd5$b4097ba0$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <4.2.0.58.20010805114859.00a52100@martina.pobox.stanford.ed u> <3.0.5.32.20010805101958.007d6110@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010804135605.007d6a70@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010803220557.007cec90@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010805190317.007dde20@pop.ici.net> Subject: Music Online Competition Act Of 2001 - Translation Available Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 07:45:21 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David Myers requested it and I've tried posting a translation of the proposed legislation but it's being blocked - perhaps 33k is too big. Anyone who wants it email me at spgoodman@earthlight.net and I'll respond with the text. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.live365.com/stations/218194 * EarthLight Online / Live! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 03:28:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA17225; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 03:27:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 03:27:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <008b01c11f6c$1b9d0990$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <008b01c11f6c$1b9d0990$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 00:25:28 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Request for new Echoplex feature Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:33 PM -0700 8/7/01, Chris Muir wrote: >At 1:09 PM -0500 8/7/01, Dennis Leas wrote: >> > One thing I would like is to have both Insert and Reverse be >>available via >>> MIDI without going to the front panel. It is a pain to switch back and >>> forth (Insert or Reverse) via front panel in the middle of a loop[. >> >>Since all the front panel switches are "MIDI addressable", can't you access >>both Insert and Reverse via MIDI? > >This is one of my long-time gripes with the EDP. What you can do over >MIDI is to virtually press buttons in the EDP UI. You can't directly >address the underlying functionality. I've directed enough whining >about this to Kim and Eric Obermuhlner (sp?) in the early days of the >EDP to fill a swimming pool. > >I'm pretty sure that Kim told me to shut up my whining and relax; >that it would be fixed in the next major release. Of course, Kim was >much nicer about it than that, and yet, more sarcastic at the same >time (a quality that I aspire to). "shut up your whining and relax" thanks to Chris' incessant complaining, you will get all the midi you could want and then some. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 03:53:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA18334; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 03:52:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 03:52:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 00:51:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Request for new Echoplex feature Resent-Message-ID: <8Tk1FD.A.LeE.K-Oc7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:56 PM -0700 8/7/01, Miko Biffle wrote: >This is doable, but fraught with many possible pitfalls, all of which I've >fallen into using midi with the EDP. So was it economy which caused this >system? One cc value for parameter and 7 more to get to all other >functions? no, we're just sadistic. we were irritated by nerds who thought they needed to program their music instead of just getting in there and jamming. So we devised a midi scheme that would put geeks like Chris and Miko through fits to get it to work, and in the end they would have something that worked exactly like the footpedal with it's seven resistors and switches that all the normal people use. we've been laughing at you for years! now that the joke is a little old, we're finally doing it both ways. there will be the current scheme, where you use midi to duplicate the button presses on the front panel. and there will be a midi command for everything. plus more. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 04:38:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA20991; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 04:38:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 04:38:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00af01c11fe5$5af593e0$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <4.2.0.58.20010805114859.00a52100@martina.pobox.stanford.ed u> <3.0.5.32.20010805101958.007d6110@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010804135605.007d6a70@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010803220557.007cec90@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010805190317.007dde20@pop.ici.net> Subject: Music Online Competition Act of 2001 Translation Part 1 Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 09:37:15 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry about the length folks, but it's important. Kim's okayed the breaking up of this into two parts. Part 1 follows: Original sections are preceded with a > For a start, this stuff is being introduced by Chris Cannon, a Republican from the 3rd district of Utah - http://www.house.gov/cannon/ and by Rick Boucher, a Democrat from the 9th district of Virginia - http://www.house.gov/boucher/ >SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE. >This Act may be cited as the "Music Online Competition Act of 2001" Not only does this have very little to say about Competitions it's not even a short title! >SEC. 2. EXEMPTION OF CERTAIN PERFORMANCES IN ONLINE AND PHYSICAL RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS. >(a) EXEMPTION. ---Section 110(7) of title 17, United States Code, is amended -- >(2) by striking "by a vending establishment" and inserting "or of a sound recording by digital audio transmission, by or in a physical vending establishment"; and Translated: Instead of activity on the part of a simple "vending establishment" online or off that strictly SELLS something, the proposed legislation substitutes the text redefining this to be ANYWHERE on or offline that offers a sound recording by "digital audio transmission", targeting both physical locations and virtual ones. So this means that the proposed legislation affects any place where music or any other digital content is posted. >"(B) performance of a sample of a nondramatic musical work or a sample of a sound recording by digital audio transmission, by or through a digital online service open to the public at large without any direct or indirect admission charge, if -- >"(i) the purpose of the performance is to promote the retail sale, distribution or license, by or through the service, of copies or phonorecords of the work, including by digital phonorecord delivery as defined in section 115(d)(1); >"(ii) the transmitting entity transmits the sample solely to the particular recipient requesting the transmission; and, >"(iii) the length of the sample does not exceed 30 seconds or, in the case of a sound recording of more than 5 minutes in duration, 10 percent of that sound recording not to exceed 60 seconds;". Translates to: performance of samples of nondramatic musical work or any other sample of the result of digital audio transmission, which comes through any digital device, and either charges or does not charge for access. This means anyplace, and somehow every kind of digital audio live or recorded, so long as it's not a "dramatic musical work", which I believe is defined someplace in Copyright Law under Mechanical Royalties. This applies in the case of i, ii, and iii have to do with (i) If the performance in anyway promotes for sale, distribution or license your work in the form of broadcast, file-directed copy, or CD/tape; (ii) if the transmission is from provider directly to the listener, or customer of an online service; (iii) the length of the sample is 30 seconds or shorter, or, if the total work is greater than 5:00, 10% of the total length up until 60 seconds. This would appear not to immediately affect full-length works, but since many online services have low-res samples of pieces to hear before you try to go the entire length, it might easily apply. >(b) DEFINITION OF PERFORMANCE. -- >Section 110 of title 17, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following: "For purposes of paragraph >(7), a 'performance' includes a transmission made by a transmitting organization to or on behalf of a vending establishment or a digital online service.". Translates to: A 'performance' is now redefined as including any transmission done to or through a vending establishment, or an online service, in short, at your home or office, or WAP. >SEC. 3. EXEMPTION FOR EPHEMERAL RECORDINGS AND FOR MULTIPLE EPHEMERAL RECORDINGS. >(a) EXEMPTION. ---Section 112(a)(1) of title 17, United States Code, is amended -- >(1) in subparagraph (A), by striking "made it, and" and inserting "made it and, except to facilitate transmission of the performance,"; and In short this intends to allow for the mirroring of sites with the intent to provide gap-free performance of the piece, and other obvious (to server admins) reasons. If mp3.com decides to operate multiple mirror servers for your one song, they only pay for that one song. >(2) in subparagraph (C), by striking "public." and inserting the following: "public, except that a transmission program as set forth in section 114(d)(2)(B) or section 114(d)(2)(C)(iii) is not required to be destroyed by a transmitting organization entitled to a statutory license under section 114(f).". Could mean that, if you produce music work for broadcast online, the people who throughput it for you, say, mp3.com or Live365, are not required to not keep an archive of the result after its need is finished. So mp3.com etc. could keep a copy of something you played online even after you've removed it from availability. >(b) MULTIPLE EPHEMERAL RECORDINGS EXEMPTION. -- >Section 112 of title 17, United States Code, is amended -- >(1) by striking subparagraph (C) of subsection (e)(1) and re-designating subparagraph (D) as sub paragraph (C); >(2) by redesignating subsection (f) as subsection (g); >(3) by adding after subsection (e) the following: (that is, inserting a clause - jeez!) >"(f) Notwithstanding the provisions of section 106, and except in the case of a motion picture or other audio visual work, it is not an infringement of copyright for a transmitting organization entitled to transmit to the public a performance or display of a work, under a license, including a statutory license under section 114(f), or transfer of the copyright or under the limitations on exclusive rights in sound recordings specified by section 114(a) or for a transmitting organization that is a broadcast radio or television station licensed as such by the Federal Communications Commission and that makes a broadcast transmission of a performance of a sound recording in a digital format on a non-subscription basis, to make one or more copies or phonorecords of a work included in a sound recording, if -- Translated: This only applies to audio works. It is not an infringement of copyright for a provider to transmit or display as available your audio work under an agreement, or transfer the copyright under an exclusive agreement, or for any FCC-licensed facility, to broadcast an audio work / performance in digital format on a non-subscription basis, as well as make one or more copies / recordings / CDs / tapes of your audio work (or a sample from it) if... >"(1) each copy or phonorecord is retained and used solely by the transmitting organization that made it; and "(2) each copy or phonorecord is used solely for the transmitting organization's own transmissions within its local service area, or for purposes of archival preservation or security." 1. each copy / recording is kept and used ONLY by that transmitting organization, say, mp3.com; and 2. each copy is used only for the company's transmissions or for archiving. This again covers mirrors and backups, but potentially limits artists from having pieces posted on more than one site, since violation could be produced by both mp3.com and iuma.com having a copy - and backups/mirrors - of your audio piece. >SEC. 4. LICENSING FOR TRANSMISSION. >(a) STATUTORY PERFORMANCE LICENSE PAY MENTS. -- >Subsection (g) of section 114 of title 17, United States Code, is amended -- >(1) by striking paragraph (2), and >(2) by adding after paragraph (1) the following: (another insert) >"(2) Receipts from the statutory licensing of public performances of sound recordings by digital audio transmission in accordance with subsection (f) shall be allocated and paid in the following manner: >"(A) 45 percent of the receipts shall be paid, on a per sound recording basis, to the recording artist or artists featured on such sound recording or to a designated collection and distribution organization on behalf of such featured recording artist or artists. 45% will be paid to the artist or artists featured on the recording, or to a designated firm on behalf of which fees are collected. >"(B) 2.5 percent of the receipts shall be deposited in an escrow account managed by an independent administrator jointly appointed by copyright owners of sound recordings and the American Federation of Musicians (or any successor entity) to be distributed to non-featured musicians (whether or not such musicians are members of the American Federation of Musicians) who have performed on sound recordings. 2.5% of those receipts will be mandatorily kept in an escrow account by an independent administrator "jointly appointed by copyright owners of sound recordings and the American Federation of Musicians" (or whomever bumps them off for the business), in order to give these funds to musicians NOT INVOLVED IN THE WORK, but who have performed on SOME sound recording in the past, whether they're members of the AFM or not, and whether or not they actually did work on your audio piece. >"(C) 2.5 percent of the receipts shall be deposited in an escrow account managed by an independent administrator jointly appointed by copyright owners of sound recordings and the American Federation of Television and Radio Artists (or any successor entity) to be distributed to non-featured vocalists (whether or not such vocalists are members of the American Federation of Television and Radio Artists) who have performed on sound recordings. An ADDITIONAL 2.5% of receipts will be manditorily kept in an escrow account by an independent administrator "jointly appointed by copyright owners of sound recordings and the American Federation of TV and Radio Artists" (or whomever THEY bump off for the business) to be given to vocalists NOT INVOLVED IN THE WORK (whether they're members of the AFTRA or not) but who have performed on SOME recording in the past, whether or not it's YOUR audio piece. >"(D) 50 percent of the receipts shall be paid to a designated collection and distribution organization on behalf of the copyright owner of the exclusive right under section 106(6) of this title to perform publicly the sound recording by means of digital audio transmission under the statutory license of subsection (f) of this section.". 50% of receipts shall be paid to an organization on behalf of the copyright owner of the exclusive right to broadcast your audio piece - this could just be the broadcaster (mp3.com etc.) and NOT the artist. Got that? Manditorily... 45% goes to the artist(s) on the recording, or publishing company; 2.5% goes to AFM 2.5% goes to AFTRA 50% goes to the broadcaster, who just might decide to pay you a fee for letting them use your work. >(b) LICENSING AFFILIATES. -- >(1) IN GENERAL. -- >Subsection (h) of section 114, title 17, United States Code, is amended -- >(A) by striking paragraphs (1) and (2) and inserting the following: (another insert) >"(1) If the copyright owner of a sound recording licenses an affiliated entity the right to reproduce the copyrighted work, to distribute the copyrighted work to the public by means of a digital phonorecord delivery or to perform the copyrighted work publicly, the copyright owner shall make the licensed sound recording available on no less favorable terms and conditions to all bona fide entities that offer similar services, except that, if there are material differences in the scope of the requested license with respect to the type of service, the particular sound recordings licensed, the frequency of use, the number of subscribers served, or the duration, then the copyright owner may establish different terms and conditions for such other services, that such different terms and conditions -- >"(A) shall be limited to, and shall accurately reflect any such material differences in the scope of the requested license; and >"(B) permitted under this paragraph, shall be made available to all bona fide entities that offer similar services. If you license any firm to make copies of your audio piece, distribute it to the public via CD / tape /etc. or public broadcast, you must also make the recording available on duplicate terms to anyone who offers similar services - unless there are limitations in the scope of the license you've signed the piece on for specifically limiting the use of the piece to that firm, whether it's inclusion in a collection (like mp3.com does occasionally) or a limited broadcast for subscribers only. If there ARE differences in the licensing it must be reflected in the agreement (this is redundant potentially), and again must also be made available to other similar service providers. Does this mean that if you're happy running your stuff on iuma and mp3.com wants a piece, you have to let them use it? >"(2)(A) Except as provided in subparagraph (B), a copyright owner that licenses a sound recording pursuant to paragraph 1 shall not mandate as part of the terms and conditions of the license that the licensee use any particular digital rights management technology. The copyright owner may not dictate what method of digital rights management is used. If you differ with Microsoft's methodology for instance and your service provider uses it, then so do you have to use it, whether you want to or not. >"(B) A copyright owner described in subparagraph (A) shall not be prevented from including in the license a requirement that the licensee implement digital rights management technology that meets reasonable and nondiscriminatory performance criteria the copyright owner has established to protect a right of a copyright owner under this title in a work or a portion thereof. The copyright owner has the right to have a clause in his license agreement that requires that whatever digital rights management technology is used, it must not degrade the quality of the performance in the owner's opinion, but only if they've established a methodology of their own already. >"(3)(A) Except as provided in subparagraph (B), a copyright owner that licenses a sound recording pursuant to paragraph (1) shall not mandate as part of the terms and conditions of the license that the licensee use any particular digital music player. If you don't like RealPlayer you can't keep mp3.com /etc from encoding your work in it; similarly you can't enforce that only RealPlayer be used to play encoded material. (This might be a weird bit of business for Real/AOL!) >"(B) A copyright owner described in subparagraph (A) shall not be prevented from including in the license a requirement that the licensee use a digital music player that meets reasonable and non discriminatory performance criteria the copyright owner has established. If you want you can include in your license agreement that the licensee uses a player or program that does not cause the quality of your performance to suffer - if you've put a clause in your license to this effect. >"(4) ENFORCEMENT. --- >(A) The Attorney General may investigate an alleged violation of this subsection if an investigation begins not later than 2 years after an alleged violation occurred. Sounds like a violation may have already happened, and this is being set up to go after it, or prevent it from happening again by the sheer threat of enforcement. A caveat I suppose - the Attorney General has 2 years to begin investigation of an alleged violation (if of course you even know that it occurred, and if the Attorney General decides your complaint is worthy of attention). >"(B) If the date of an alleged violation is unknown, the Attorney General may investigate to determine the date of the alleged violation. If the Government can't find out when the "violation" happened, they can spend all the money and resources they want, and harass everyone in a quest to determine the date of "violation." >"(C) If the Attorney General determines that a violation of this subsection has occurred, the Attorney General has the power to seek to enforce the requirements of this subsection through all appropriate means. "...all appropriate means" has been heard before, and could come short of "with extreme prejudice". >"(D) Nothing contained in this paragraph shall be construed to limit the authority of the Attorney General under any other provision of law. There is no limit in this paragraph to the authority of the Attorney General in any way. >(2) DEFINITIONS. --- >Subsection (j) of section 114 of title 17, United States Code, is amended -- >(A) by amending paragraph (1) to read as follows: >"(1) The term 'affiliated entity' means an entity, other than an entity that wholly owns or is wholly owned by the licensor, engaging in digital audio transmissions covered by section 106(6) or digital phonorecord deliveries in which the licensor has any direct or indirect partnership or any ownership interest amounting to 5 percent or more of the out standing voting or nonvoting stock."; Join ASCAP or another affiliate, or die financially. If you own your own label, you obviously own more than 5% of the process, and are therefore taking the place of that "entity" with respect to this legislation. >(B) by redesignating paragraphs (6) through (15) as paragraphs (9) through (18), respectively; >(C) by inserting after paragraph (5) the following: >"(6) The term 'digital music player' means a technology that renders audible the sounds in a sound recording embodied in a digital audio transmission or a digital phonorecord delivery. The "digital music player" defined as something that either receives a signal, or plays a disk / recording. >"(7) The term 'digital phonorecord delivery' shall have the meaning given such term in section 115(d)(1). Delivery is both the delivery of broadcast in digital form, or the delivery of a recording in digital form. In short, EVERYTHING recorded digitally. >"(8) The term 'digital rights management technology' means a technological measure used to limit the uses of copyrighted work to those authorized by the copyright owner or the law.". Yet to be completely troubleshooted as we know. There may be elements of the case against Microsoft involving their Media Player's "digital rights management" routines involved with this. As said previously the copyright owner doesn't have a say in which DRM technology is used, unless it degrades performance quality. The part "or the law" leaves it open to yank that one away from you if the Government wants to. >SEC. 5. ELECTRONIC ADMINISTRATION OF THE COMPULSORY LICENSE FOR MAKING AND DISTRIBUTING SOUND RECORDINGS. >(a) NOTICE OF INTENTION. --- >Section 115(b) of title 17, United States Code, is amended -- >(1) by striking paragraph (1) and inserting the following: (another insert) >"(1)NOTICE. --- >(A) Any person who wishes to obtain a compulsory license under this section shall do so by serving a notice of intention to make and distribute phonorecords of the work. So we're supposed to now serve a notice of intention if we want to make and distribute CDs of our own? It's not said as to whether or not it's required that the "notice" be agreed to by the copyright owner. Also, it's not said where or how - or what form this "notice of intention" should take. This is a hole through which elephants (or music company behemoths) could walk without a care; it also could set up a legalistic methodology similar to the patent process, that increases the cost of producing CDs, recordings, and other media ten-fold at least. And (surprise!) gets the little guys out of the business. But wait, there's more. >"(B) Such notice may be given by direct notice served upon the copyright owner or by constructive notice that does not identify the copyright owner and that is to be served upon the Copyright Office. This no doubt is one of the changes to Copyright law that RIAA was trying to get through a month ago; any day then one of us could receive a compulsory notice from someone stating that they're distributing and copying our work - and if we didn't register it with the Copyright office, song by song, or have our expensive lawyers do it, they can do anything they want, so long as they tell the Copyright office that they're doing it. The original owner, in some cases, is just screwed, and potentially not even told when it occurs. >"(C) Notice shall be served before or within 30 days after making, and before distributing, any phonorecords of the work, except that a notice of intention to make digital phonorecord deliveries shall be made within 30 days after enactment of this Act or before the making of a digital phonorecord delivery of the work, whichever is later. Deadlines for those who wish to legally steal the use of your work, with the help of the "notice of intention", within 30 days of this becoming law, or before the recording is originally produced, whichever is later. >"(D) Any notice of intention may identify more than one work and a constructive notice also may identify a work by one or more copyright owners. This I think allows for the Medley rule, so that if your work is a compilation of pieces about the Grand Canyon, the "notice of intention" would only have to be filed once to steal the entire suite. >"(E) The notice shall comply, in form, content, and manner of service, with requirements that the Register of Copyrights shall prescribe by regulation."; If the Registrar of Copyrights doesn't like the notice it doesn't apply. But you the copyright owner need not be necessarily told, as outlined above. (continued in next post) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 04:40:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA21027; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 04:38:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 04:38:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b001c11fe5$78a781a0$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <4.2.0.58.20010805114859.00a52100@martina.pobox.stanford.ed u> <3.0.5.32.20010805101958.007d6110@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010804135605.007d6a70@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010803220557.007cec90@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010805190317.007dde20@pop.ici.net> Subject: Music Online Competition Act of 2001 Translation - Part 2 Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 09:38:14 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My apologies for the dryness, but I feel that this legislation may have been made this way partially to discourage examination. Part 2 follows: >"(2) ROYALTY FEES. -- >Any person who obtains a compulsory license under this section shall -- >"(A) pay royalty fees in accordance with subsection (c); or "(B) if such royalty fees have not been determined, agree to pay such royalty fees as shall be determined in accordance with subsection (c)."; See the percentages above (45, 2.5, 2.5, 50). If they've not been determined - this allows for those not registering the material with the Copyright office - the fees will be decided, most probably at additional legal cost to you, the owner/artist. >(b) LIMITED DIGITAL PHONORECORD DELIVERY. -- >Section 115(c) of title 17, United States Code, is amended -- >(1) in paragraph (3) -- >(A) in subparagraph (C) by striking "and (ii)" and inserting "(ii) limited digital phono record deliveries, and (iii)" redefines "recordings" to include all digital delivery. >"In setting royalty rates and terms for limited digital phonorecord deliveries under this section, the copyright arbitration royalty panel also shall consider the limitations imposed upon the use of the limited digital phonorecord delivery by a transmission recipient in proportion to digital phonorecord deliveries in general, the extent to which limited digital phonorecord deliveries may promote or may substitute for the sales of phonorecords or otherwise may enhance or may interfere with the copyright owner's other streams of revenue from its nondramatic musical works, and the proportion of the revenue received by the compulsory licensee from every such act of distribution of the phonorecord under this clause equal to the proportion of the revenue received by the compulsory licensee from distribution of a general digital phonorecord delivery that is payable by a compulsory licensee under clause (2) and under chapter 8."; The copyright arbitration (that word spells "more lawyers") royalty panel - is this a newly defined arm of the Government? - shall decide whether you are right or not in not wanting mp3.com to freely broadcast your work, and may decide whether or not any freebies substituted for sales figures, or for that matter legal expenses involved in getting a recording to the digital market, apply to what the IRS thinks you make, whether this adds or subtracts from your bottom line or not. >(4) by inserting in paragraph (5) after "next preceding." the following: "Payments for digital phonorecord deliveries shall be made to the copyright owner or, if the notice of intention has been served upon the Copyright Office, to either the copyright owner or the Copyright Office." Potentially vague - back to the bit about whether the "notice of intention" has been served to the Copyright Office, payments will be made either to the copyright owner or the Copyright Office. This doesn't say whether a mechanism will be set up inside the Copyright Office to handle your money while you're waiting - how long? - to get paid for something you created and legally own. >"(2) A 'limited digital phonorecord delivery' is a digital phonorecord delivery that uses a technology that restricts the time or manner in which the transmission recipient may render such sound recording audible.". If it's finite, it's "limited". But this only applies to the recording and its delivery, and not fees. >(d) ELECTRONIC FILING AND NOTICE TO COPY RIGHT OWNERS. -- >(1) DUTIES OF REGISTER. -- >Not later than 120 days after the date of enactment of this Act, the Register of Copyrights shall -- >(A) establish procedures by which the notice of intention may be served electronically upon the Copyright Office, and by which reasonable notice of the filing of a notice of intention may be given to the owner of copyright in the nondramatic musical work; Four months after this becomes law, the Copyright Office must provide an electronic means of the "notice of intention" being accepted. This could take the form of a simple email message saying mp3.com is broadcasting your work, and remember, if you didn't register it with the Office, you'll never know this notice happened. Accordingly, who gets paid then? >(B) prescribe by regulation the requirements for the form, content, and manner of electronic service of the notice, including notices that identify one or more works of a particular copyright owner and notices that identify one or more works of numerous copyright owners; and This cannot be done in 120 days, folks. I've worked on mainframe apps that handle royalties and publishing / copyrights, and the accounting for all the little bits take quite a bit of time. Perhaps the whole of India will get hired to write this app. Or perhaps a company with friends in Congress has already sold their way into the process, despite not having finished the application as yet. In essence this provides for years and years of work for SOMEBODY, working on this Copyright Tracking Application. And then there's the online part! Save us! >(C) prescribe regulations for the appointment of a designated agent to receive royalty fees and statements of account, to distribute royalty fees to the copyright owner, and to administer royalty fees that have been submitted for unknown copyright owners. This will make it mandatory for copyright owners to designate an agent or other entity to receive the money, and the accounting, and in turn pay the copyright owner what otherwise the copyright owner would just get PAID. More legalistic superstructure to provide work for lawyers, and keep the little guys out of the music business. >(2) REGULATIONS. -- >The Register of Copyrights may prescribe regulations whereby royalty fees are paid to an escrow account at the last established rate in which the terms and rates for the then-current period have not been determined, including for the period prior to the date of enactment of this Act. Another legalistic superstructure. Escrow accounts aren't necessary if the artist or copyright holder is getting PAID. >SEC. 6. LIMITATIONS ON EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS: INCIDENTAL AND ARCHIVAL COPYING. >(b) DIGITAL COPIES. -- >"(d) Notwithstanding the provisions of section 106, it is not an infringement to make or to authorize the making of a copy or phonorecord of a sound recording or a work included in a sound recording, in a digital format, provided that such copy or phonorecord is created by and is incidental to the operation of a device in the ordinary course of the use of a work otherwise lawful under this title. So, it's legal when MCA/Universal, Sony or Warner Brothers provide a file-sharing system for music, but when the Government decides it's not, it's NOT. More anti-Napsterism? >"(e) Notwithstanding the provisions of section 106, it is not an infringement for the owner of a phonorecord lawfully acquired by digital phonorecord delivery, or a copy lawfully acquired by digital transmission of a literary work embodied in that phonorecord, to make or authorize the making of another phonorecord or copy of such works, if such new phonorecord or copy is for archival purposes only and that all archival phonorecord or copies are destroyed in the event that continued possession of the phonorecord or copy should cease to be rightful.". "lawfully acquired" is used a lot here it seems, and hopefully this means "bought with money", but I suspect it also means "acquired by 'notice of intention'". Inclusions for backups and mirrors are made again, reiterating that if your work from a broadcast done months ago is on a backup tape somewhere, they've got a right to keep it, but that if the work was not "lawfully acquired", the archives must be destroyed. Potentially conflicting on its own. >SEC. 7. EVALUATION OF IMPACT OF CERTAIN STATUTORY PERFORMANCE LICENSE CRITERIA ON PROGRAMMING SERVICES. >(a) EVALUATION BY THE REGISTER OF COPY RIGHTS. -- >The Register of Copyrights, in consultation with the Assistant Secretary of the Office of Technology Policy of the Department of Commerce, shall evaluate the effects, under the statutory sound recording performance license set forth in section 114(d)(2) of title 17, United States Code, upon preexisting and emerging non-interactive digital audio transmission services of the criteria set forth in sections 114(d)(2)(B) and 114(d)(2)(C)(i) and (ii) of such title, with respect to -- The Register of Copyrights etc. shall evaluate the possible effects of this legislation upon existing Copyright law and the Commerce Code, regarding digital audio transmission services, regarding: >(1) the economic costs of compliance with the criteria; How much will it cost everyone to comply with this new legislation? >(2) the effect of compliance with the criteria upon the nature of the programming and the marketability of such services; How much will it affect the companies that operate replication, broadcast and streaming services, and how will it affect the cost of goods-in-question? >(3) whether any non-interactive digital audio transmission service would be unable to comply with the criteria and, therefore, to qualify for the statutory license; Will anyone making technology or providing transmission service be excluded by not being able to comply, and therefore not qualify for any license to do so? >(4) whether any changes to the criteria, including the elimination thereof, would enable additional non-interactive digital audio transmission services to qualify for the statutory license; and Is there anything else technologically that would be affected by the need to qualify under the legislation? >(5) the likely impact upon copyright owners of sound recordings of any such changes to the criteria. What impact upon copyright owners will there be under this legislation? (See above) >(b) REPORT TO CONGRESS. -- >"The Register of Copy rights shall, not later than 12 months after the date of enactment of this Act, submit to the Congress a report on the evaluation conducted under subsection (a), including any legislative recommendations the Register may have. The Register of Copyrights will report on all this within a year of this law going into effect, as noted in items 1-5 just above, and make recommendations. (Didn't Perot call this "closing the barn door after the cow's gone outside"?) Sorry about the length, but it's the frigging lawyers at RIAA who are doing this in order to make us go back to the Good Old Days of the Studio System. Surprising given their immense failure at their monolithic effort to stamp out home recording in the 80s. Again, the introducers (not necessarily the authors, get it folks?) are Chris Cannon, a Republican from the 3rd district of Utah, web page at http://www.house.gov/cannon/ - and Rick Boucher, a Democrat from the 9th district of Virginia. http://www.house.gov/boucher/ If you want to give all this away you'll just say nothing and watch your rights to record at home again become challenged in a matter of years, if not months. RIAA's WORKING on this. Democracy is a participative process, alas, and reflects none but those who do the participating. I really hate politics, and I hate it more when I feel like I have to be involved in it. So it goes, huh? Get the word out and forward this to as many as you think can do something with it. Stephen P. Goodman EarthLight Productions http://www.earthlight.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 05:26:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA26935; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 05:25:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 05:25:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: Music Online Competition Act of 2001 Translation - Part 2 Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 02:24:50 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00b001c11fe5$78a781a0$0201a8c0@stephen> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com could someone translate this into a few succinct paragraphs? is that asking too much? i've got 281 emails in my inbox at this moment and simply do not have time. thanks, kevin p.s. i know this is important. i just don't have time right now. sorry. > >"(2) ROYALTY FEES. -- > >Any person who obtains a compulsory license under this section shall -- > >"(A) pay royalty fees in accordance with subsection (c); or "(B) if such > royalty fees have not been determined, agree to pay such royalty fees as > shall be determined in accordance with subsection (c)."; etc., etc., etc., ad infinitum... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 06:03:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA01291; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 06:00:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 06:00:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002f01c11f16$3bbda370$51cec22b@cambmaya04> References: <4036A094D96A9549A6D6CCD979F1F363623DD8@engin-mail2> <001d01c11e8c$1953edb0$51cec22b@cambmaya04> <002f01c11f16$3bbda370$51cec22b@cambmaya04> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 11:59:01 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Reaktor - looper construction possible ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I believe there is already an echoplex emulation in the user archives. > >I believe you're right, though I think it's an emulation of the old Echoplex >rather than the EDP. I searched fro "Echoplex" and "loop" and could not finde it... Could you please give us more of a link to this? I find it an important item, to be remembered on the LD site under Tolls... > > > > Reaktor is fantastic, I'd urge you to buy it even if it couldn't do what >> you >> > describe below. >> > >> > However, I'm pretty sure you could do it all. The only thing that isn't >> > obvious to me is how you'd do the tap tempo, but I'm sure it's possible. >> (I >> > just went to >> > http://www.native-instruments.net/index.php?userlibrary_us >> > and searched for 'tap tempo' and it came up with something.) > > > > > > -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 09:40:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05237; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 09:38:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 09:38:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@fixme User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 06:35:35 -0700 Subject: Another Klein for sale: From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I see on eBay there's one of the Steinberger Klein's for sale (S Trem, with the composite neck, basswood body, EMG h/s/s): http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1452527705 TH -- Electrochakra website: http://www.electrochakra.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 10:25:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13489; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:24:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:24:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Request for new Echoplex feature Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 09:22:40 -0500 Message-ID: <002401c12015$953d0210$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <7HROyC.A.oRD.DuUc7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Kim, How will adding this type of midi functionality help? Does it offer any advantage over the floor pedal that comes with the EDP? I personally use a PMC10, but primarily for managing my patches and calling up effects. I haven't really considered what else it could be used for (except maybe sending note on/off for chords, etc.) but I have seen a couple of people here mention their use of it with the EDP. Does this help in a live setting? Thanks, Steve Ginn > now that the joke is a little old, we're finally doing it both ways. there > will be the current scheme, where you use midi to duplicate the button > presses on the front panel. and there will be a midi command for > everything. plus more. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 11:12:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21957; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 11:10:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 11:10:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B7164B4.7106A18C@cabq.gov> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 09:11:32 -0700 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [t-shirts] un-update References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tom Ritchford wrote: > just wanted to let you know that the nyc gig is not forgotten > but there has been little progress. Same with the t-shirts... lots of good ideas which I have forwarded to my wife. She will be addressing it as time permits. Stay tuned. -jas http://www.zebox.com/artists/dimbulb.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 12:18:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25880; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 12:16:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 12:16:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB664@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Klein guitar for sale Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 12:13:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C12025.21BD08C0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12025.21BD08C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" or you could just go to ed roman stig Yikes! My yearly tax refund 'fun money' is much too far away! -Todd ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12025.21BD08C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C12025.21BD08C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 13:09:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29237; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:07:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:07:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: WKlein8318@aol.com Message-ID: <55.1971935e.28a2cb6a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:05:46 EDT Subject: Re: Music Online Competition Act of 2001 Translation - Part 2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 114 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Somebody' put a bunch of record co. lawyers in loop mode. My head spins from the legalese.... Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 13:12:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29596; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:11:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:11:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 10:10:41 -0700 From: "Miko Biffle" To: , , Subject: Re: Request for new Echoplex feature Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA29555 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For this I will be ETERNALLY grateful... thanks Kim! -Miko >>> kflint@loopers-delight.com 08/08/01 12:51AM >>> At 3:56 PM -0700 8/7/01, Miko Biffle wrote: >This is doable, but fraught with many possible pitfalls, all of which I've >fallen into using midi with the EDP. So was it economy which caused this >system? One cc value for parameter and 7 more to get to all other >functions? no, we're just sadistic. we were irritated by nerds who thought they needed to program their music instead of just getting in there and jamming. So we devised a midi scheme that would put geeks like Chris and Miko through fits to get it to work, and in the end they would have something that worked exactly like the footpedal with it's seven resistors and switches that all the normal people use. we've been laughing at you for years! now that the joke is a little old, we're finally doing it both ways. there will be the current scheme, where you use midi to duplicate the button presses on the front panel. and there will be a midi command for everything. plus more. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 13:15:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29743; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:13:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:13:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c1202d$54836940$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <55.1971935e.28a2cb6a@aol.com> Subject: Re: Music Online Competition Act of 2001 Translation - Part 2 Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 18:12:38 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Resent-Message-ID: <3CFj4.A.YQH.JMXc7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm reformatting this and putting it online in a manner that will be easier on the brain. Thanks in the meantime. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 08 August 2001 18:05 PM Subject: Re: Music Online Competition Act of 2001 Translation - Part 2 > Somebody' put a bunch of record co. lawyers in loop mode. > > My head spins from the legalese.... > > Bill > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 17:03:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11271; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 17:01:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 17:01:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: SUPER LOOPERS TEE SHIRT OF JOY!!!!!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.6 Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 17:04:07 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000901c1202d$54836940$0201a8c0@stephen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.magicicada.com/looperstee.gif just what you need From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 17:05:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11465; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 17:04:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 17:04:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: SUPER LOOPERS TEE SHIRT OF JOY!!!!!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.6 Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 17:07:15 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000901c1202d$54836940$0201a8c0@stephen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <5N0T1.A.WyC.qkac7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.magicicada.com/looperstee.gif just what you need From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 17:11:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11788; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 17:09:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 17:09:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f801c1204e$5de04000$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "MediaOne" To: References: Subject: Re: SUPER LOOPERS TEE SHIRT OF JOY!!!!!!! Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 14:07:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com HAHA! I love it- excellent work- Om ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher White" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 2:04 PM Subject: SUPER LOOPERS TEE SHIRT OF JOY!!!!!!! > http://www.magicicada.com/looperstee.gif > > just what you need > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 17:12:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11936; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 17:11:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 17:11:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 17:10:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200108082110.RAA16912@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: SUPER LOOPERS TEE SHIRT OF JOY!!!!!!! X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 66.9.67.98 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <3eAtTC.A.P5C.arac7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > http://www.magicicada.com/looperstee.gif You are just TOO cruel. -- I am the Repeater. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 22:32:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31173; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 22:30:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 22:30:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Re: SUPER LOOPERS TEE SHIRT OF JOY!!!!!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.6 Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 22:33:44 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <1YfFBC.A.2mH.vWfc7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com test On Wed, 08 Aug 2001 17:04:07 -0400 "Christopher White" wrote: > http://www.magicicada.com/looperstee.gif > > just what you need > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 10:09:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22431; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 10:06:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 10:06:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 16:00:20 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: Choose loops tools fo saxophone and acoustique guitare MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: "francois.l@voila.fr" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-XaM3-API-Version: 1.1.9.1.38 X-SenderIP: 195.132.14.11 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id KAA22203 Resent-Message-ID: <8hh0S.A.LbF.eepc7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, l am new in this mailing list. l want to make some loops with my guitare and my saxophone. 1°) Do you think l have to make a mix and send them both to the loop, or is there a footswitch that can dispath saxo or guitare alternatively. There must have two inputs in this case. The level must be adjust before. 2°) What is the type of tool that will be more appropriate to make loop with the saxophone (rate sample : 44 Khz): DL4, RC-20, Electrix, Echoplex,.... 3°) What is the rate sample of the DL4 and RC-20 ? Thanks a lot. __________________________________________________________ Faites un vœu et puis Voila ! www.voila.fr Pendant tout l'été, gagnez une Ford Ka sur Voila Gratter ! http://cybergrattage.voila.fr/voila From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 11:21:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26166; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 11:16:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 11:16:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.org Message-Id: Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 10:59:39 -0400 To: "Art List" From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video performance ELECTRICITY MUSIC @Z (Cambridge MA) aug 11! (sat) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks. I'll be doing video improvisations with this exciting bunch of musicians Saturday night at the Zeitgeist . We have to end a little early, so we will be trying to start on time. subconsciouscafe @ ZEITGEIST sat 11 aug '01 9pm "ELECTRICITY MUSIC" solos/duos/trios CURTIS BAHN - sensor bass ANDREW NEUMANN - laptop, switches, sensors NEIL LEONARD - sax, electronics Live, sponaneous improvisation in the electronic domain by three musicians who design and build their own machines, interfaces and interactive software. Incorporating notions of chance, unpredictablity and hybridization, with no sequencing and no set sound files, the music is in a constant state of flux. 11pm "Euphony Groove" FRED STUBBS, master Ney (Turkish flute) player and Director returns to the gallery with a stellar lineup of acoustic virtuosi: Fred Stubbs - Turkish ney flute Matthew Burton - Australian didgeridoos Todd Roach - Middle Eastern & North African hand drums Thomas Brett - Chinese yang-qin hammer dulcimer EUPHONY GROOVE is a sound collective directed by Fred Stubbs that combines timbres and sonorities from several continents to produce a new music. The show will includ improvised structures such as Fwefwe and Boomenang, as well as music composed specially for this event using overtone singing. An Out of Cambridge Experience! ZEITGE -- "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world. The unreasonable man persists in adapting the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 11:23:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26318; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 11:19:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 11:19:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001c01c120e6$a3b26930$51cec22b@cambmaya04> From: "Os" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: anything good in LA next week? Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 16:19:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi. I'm in L.A. all next week on business. Anyone know of any good gigs happening? cheers, os. os@scee.sony.co.uk http://www.mp3.com/carbonboy/ http://www.mp3.com/darkroomuk/ http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 11:37:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27003; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 11:33:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 11:33:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B72AD0E.DEB9013C@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 08:32:30 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Choose loops tools fo saxophone and acoustique guitare References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Your best bet is to go back to www.loopers-delight.com and go through the archives and the "Tools" page. Most claim the Echoplex is the hands down champion of looper. The Repeater is still a rumor. Lot's love the Boomerang. If you're willing to hunt, you might find a used JamMan. (I love mine, but it's somewhat limited compared to the JamMan. There's a comparison on the looper site) It's more about personal preference than anything else. There are cheap A/B switches to change imputs, or you could do what I do and get a decent mixer, like the Mackie. Mark "francois.l@voila.fr" wrote: > Hello, l am new in this mailing list. > > l want to make some loops with my guitare and my saxophone. > > 1°) Do you think l have to make a mix and send them both to the loop, > or is there a footswitch that can dispath saxo or guitare alternatively. > There must have two inputs in this case. The level must be adjust before. > > 2°) What is the type of tool that will be more appropriate to make loop with the saxophone (rate sample : 44 Khz): DL4, RC-20, Electrix, Echoplex,.... > > 3°) What is the rate sample of the DL4 and RC-20 ? > > Thanks a lot. > __________________________________________________________ > Faites un vœu et puis Voila ! www.voila.fr > Pendant tout l'été, gagnez une Ford Ka sur Voila Gratter ! http://cybergrattage.voila.fr/voila From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 12:39:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31262; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 12:37:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 12:37:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB66F@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: anything good in LA next week?/ became gig announces + Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 12:34:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C120F1.2A6CB8E0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C120F1.2A6CB8E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" hmmm, could be: Monday, Aug 13 Harris Eisenstadt's Fiight Fire With Water (tunes and improv) Harris Eisenstadt: drums, tunes Scot Ray: trombone Steuart Liebig: bass, MAYBE loopage David Johnson: vibraphone Alterknit Lounge, Knitting Factory LA 7021 Hollywood Boulevard Los Angeles, CA 90028 323-463-0204 8pm - All Ages - 2 sets/$6.00 Wednesday, Aug 15 L.Stinkbug (total improv) Scott Amendola: drums, loopage Nels Cline: guitars, loopage Steuart Liebig: basses, loopage G.E. Stinson: guitars, loopage Rocco (new location) 6320 Santa Monica Blvd (between Vine Street & Lillian Way) 11pm - 2 sets (!)/$10.00 Thursday, Aug 16 Crater (Scott's drum and bass project, haven't heard) Scott Amendola: drums, loopage Nels Cline: guitars, loopage JHNO: samples, loops Todd Sickafoose: bass G.E. Stinson: guitars, loopage Rocco (new location) 6320 Santa Monica Blvd (between Vine Street & Lillian Way) 11pm - 2 sets (!)/$10.00 Thursday, Aug 16 (NO LOOPING BUT THESE GUYS KILL) Mark Dresser/Vinny Golia Duo Mark Dresser: Contrabass Vinny Golia: Woodwinds Alterknit Lounge, Knitting Factory LA 7021 Hollywood Boulevard Los Angeles, CA 90028 323-463-0204 9pm - All Ages - 2 sets/$12.00 Sunday, Aug 19 Splinter Group (total improv) G.E. Stinson: guitars, loopage Steuart Liebig: basses, loopage Kaoru: voice, percussion/toys, loopage dj Chowderhead: turntables, beats Alterknit Lounge, Knitting Factory LA 7021 Hollywood Boulevard Los Angeles, CA 90028 323-463-0204 9pm - All Ages - 2 sets/$8.00 plenty more to be found: knit: http://www.knittingfactory.com/kfla/ rocco: http://www.roccoinla.com/ la weekly (free rag that lists shows): http://laweekly.com/ hope this helps, stig Hi. I'm in L.A. all next week on business. Anyone know of any good gigs happening? cheers, os. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C120F1.2A6CB8E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1252" RE: anything good in LA next week?/ became gig announces +

hmmm, could be:



Monday, Aug 13
Harris Eisenstadt's Fiight Fire With Water (tunes and improv)
Harris Eisenstadt: drums, tunes
Scot Ray: trombone
Steuart Liebig: bass, MAYBE loopage
David Johnson: vibraphone
Alterknit Lounge,
Knitting Factory LA
7021 Hollywood Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA
90028
323-463-0204
8pm - All Ages - 2 sets/$6.00


Wednesday, Aug 15
L.Stinkbug (total improv)
Scott Amendola: drums, loopage
Nels Cline: guitars, loopage
Steuart Liebig: basses, loopage
G.E. Stinson: guitars, loopage
Rocco (new location)
6320 Santa Monica Blvd
(between Vine Street & Lillian Way)
11pm - 2 sets (!)/$10.00

Thursday, Aug 16
Crater (Scott's drum and bass project, haven't heard)
Scott Amendola: drums, loopage
Nels Cline: guitars, loopage
JHNO: samples, loops
Todd Sickafoose: bass
G.E. Stinson: guitars, loopage
Rocco (new location)
6320 Santa Monica Blvd
(between Vine Street & Lillian Way)
11pm - 2 sets (!)/$10.00


Thursday, Aug 16 (NO LOOPING BUT THESE GUYS KILL)
Mark Dresser/Vinny Golia Duo
Mark Dresser: Contrabass
Vinny Golia: Woodwinds
Alterknit Lounge,
Knitting Factory LA
7021 Hollywood Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA
90028
323-463-0204
9pm - All Ages - 2 sets/$12.00


Sunday, Aug 19
Splinter Group (total improv)
G.E. Stinson: guitars, loopage
Steuart Liebig: basses, loopage
Kaoru: voice, percussion/toys, loopage
dj Chowderhead: turntables, beats
Alterknit Lounge,
Knitting Factory LA
7021 Hollywood Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA
90028
323-463-0204
9pm - All Ages - 2 sets/$8.00

plenty more to be found:

knit: http://www.knittingfactory.com/kfla/

rocco: http://www.roccoinla.com/

la weekly (free rag that lists shows): http://laweekly.com/


hope this helps,

stig


Hi.

I'm in L.A. all next week on business. Anyone know of any good gigs
happening?


cheers,
os.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C120F1.2A6CB8E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 12:48:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31926; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 12:47:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 12:47:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B72BFCB.BF2B4DB3@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 10:02:04 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT anything good in LA next week? References: <001c01c120e6$a3b26930$51cec22b@cambmaya04> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2mSEmB.A.ayH.w5rc7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Os wrote: > Hi. > > I'm in L.A. all next week on business. Anyone know of any good gigs > happening? > > cheers, > os. > > os@scee.sony.co.uk > http://www.mp3.com/carbonboy/ > http://www.mp3.com/darkroomuk/ > http://www.collective.co.uk/ well, if you're still around by the 19th, this might fit the bill: August 19, 8 pm: Eric Leonardson, Cindy Bernhard/Joseph Hammer, Greg Headley in the Beyond Music Festival, running Aug. 18 - 23, 2001 at: Beyond Baroque Literary/Arts Center, 681 Venice Blvd., Venice, CA 90291. (310) 822-3006 check http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon/ for more background you just missed roxy music (as did i) but i have it on good authority that mr. ferry's costume changes were glorious :-) lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 12:51:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA32155; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 12:50:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 12:50:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AaroneousAG@aol.com Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 12:49:28 EDT Subject: burning man loop jam, baybeee To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: Resent-Message-ID: <9WfhR.A.R2H.68rc7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Loopfreaks! I know a mess of us are going to be at Burning A-hole (the affectionate name my non-attending friend gives to the event), so . . . what's going on? Are we planning on getting together like last year? I didn't know there were other loopers there 'til I got there and caught some performances at the cafe . . . guess I should have figured (west coast centered, experimental art, technology obsessed = loopers!) Anywho, I'm going in on the Green Tortoise bus after flying in from NYC, so I should be there Wednesday morning, camping with them or with the Asylum camp (4:30 & Child). I'll have my line6, digitech echo+, some swirly stuff, some grungy stuff and some quacking stuff, casio sk-200, guitar, and maybe a cheap mic as well as a battery powered thingy (probably just a karioke machine, unless I want to bother with hauling my crate limo all over the desert again) Let's get together and make some repetitious nonlinearity (or non-linear repetition, your choice) A list of who's camping where may be in order, as well as an appropriate place to get together (gigsville, somebody's stage, the cafe at 3am?) Hope nobody minds if we keep this on the list . . . otherwise, email me! Smell you there . . . Aaroneous From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 13:05:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01498; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:04:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:04:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c120f5$37bdb360$51cec22b@cambmaya04> From: "Os" To: References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB66F@migarexch01.maritz.com> Subject: Re: anything good in LA next week?/ became gig announces + Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 18:03:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01C120FD.9935D020" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C120FD.9935D020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: anything good in LA next week?/ became gig announces +thanks! most = helpful. os. os@scee.sony.co.uk http://www.mp3.com/carbonboy/ http://www.mp3.com/darkroomuk/ http://www.collective.co.uk/ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Liebig, Steuart A.=20 To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'=20 Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 5:34 PM Subject: RE: anything good in LA next week?/ became gig announces + hmmm, could be:=20 Monday, Aug 13=20 Harris Eisenstadt's Fiight Fire With Water (tunes and improv)=20 Harris Eisenstadt: drums, tunes=20 Scot Ray: trombone=20 Steuart Liebig: bass, MAYBE loopage=20 David Johnson: vibraphone=20 Alterknit Lounge,=20 Knitting Factory LA=20 7021 Hollywood Boulevard=20 Los Angeles, CA=20 90028=20 323-463-0204=20 8pm - All Ages - 2 sets/$6.00=20 Wednesday, Aug 15=20 L.Stinkbug (total improv)=20 Scott Amendola: drums, loopage=20 Nels Cline: guitars, loopage=20 Steuart Liebig: basses, loopage=20 G.E. Stinson: guitars, loopage=20 Rocco (new location)=20 6320 Santa Monica Blvd=20 (between Vine Street & Lillian Way)=20 11pm - 2 sets (!)/$10.00=20 Thursday, Aug 16=20 Crater (Scott's drum and bass project, haven't heard)=20 Scott Amendola: drums, loopage=20 Nels Cline: guitars, loopage=20 JHNO: samples, loops=20 Todd Sickafoose: bass=20 G.E. Stinson: guitars, loopage=20 Rocco (new location)=20 6320 Santa Monica Blvd=20 (between Vine Street & Lillian Way)=20 11pm - 2 sets (!)/$10.00=20 Thursday, Aug 16 (NO LOOPING BUT THESE GUYS KILL)=20 Mark Dresser/Vinny Golia Duo=20 Mark Dresser: Contrabass=20 Vinny Golia: Woodwinds=20 Alterknit Lounge,=20 Knitting Factory LA=20 7021 Hollywood Boulevard=20 Los Angeles, CA=20 90028=20 323-463-0204=20 9pm - All Ages - 2 sets/$12.00=20 Sunday, Aug 19=20 Splinter Group (total improv)=20 G.E. Stinson: guitars, loopage=20 Steuart Liebig: basses, loopage=20 Kaoru: voice, percussion/toys, loopage=20 dj Chowderhead: turntables, beats=20 Alterknit Lounge,=20 Knitting Factory LA=20 7021 Hollywood Boulevard=20 Los Angeles, CA=20 90028=20 323-463-0204=20 9pm - All Ages - 2 sets/$8.00=20 plenty more to be found:=20 knit: http://www.knittingfactory.com/kfla/=20 rocco: http://www.roccoinla.com/=20 la weekly (free rag that lists shows): http://laweekly.com/=20 hope this helps,=20 stig=20 Hi.=20 I'm in L.A. all next week on business. Anyone know of any good gigs=20 happening?=20 cheers,=20 os.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C120FD.9935D020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: anything good in LA next week?/ became gig = announces +
thanks! most helpful.
 
 
os.
 
os@scee.sony.co.uk
http://www.mp3.com/carbonboy/<= BR>http://www.mp3.com/darkroomuk/
http://www.collective.co.uk/
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Liebig, Steuart A. =
To: 'Loopers-Delight@lo= opers-delight.com'=20
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 = 5:34=20 PM
Subject: RE: anything good in = LA next=20 week?/ became gig announces +

hmmm, could be:



Monday, Aug 13
Harris = Eisenstadt's=20 Fiight Fire With Water (tunes and improv)
Harris=20 Eisenstadt: drums, tunes
Scot Ray: = trombone=20
Steuart Liebig: bass, MAYBE loopage =
David Johnson: vibraphone
Alterknit = Lounge,=20
Knitting Factory LA
7021=20 Hollywood Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA =
90028
323-463-0204
8pm=20 - All Ages - 2 sets/$6.00


Wednesday, Aug 15
L.Stinkbug (total=20 improv)
Scott Amendola: drums, = loopage=20
Nels Cline: guitars, loopage
Steuart=20 Liebig: basses, loopage
G.E. Stinson: = guitars,=20 loopage
Rocco (new location) =
6320 Santa Monica Blvd
(between = Vine Street=20 & Lillian Way)
11pm - 2 sets = (!)/$10.00=20

Thursday, Aug 16
Crater = (Scott's drum=20 and bass project, haven't heard)
Scott = Amendola:=20 drums, loopage
Nels Cline: guitars, = loopage=20
JHNO: samples, loops
Todd = Sickafoose:=20 bass
G.E. Stinson: guitars, loopage =
Rocco (new location)
6320 Santa = Monica=20 Blvd
(between Vine Street & Lillian = Way)=20
11pm - 2 sets (!)/$10.00


Thursday, Aug 16 (NO LOOPING BUT THESE GUYS = KILL)=20
Mark Dresser/Vinny Golia Duo
Mark=20 Dresser: Contrabass
Vinny Golia: = Woodwinds=20
Alterknit Lounge,
Knitting Factory=20 LA
7021 Hollywood Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA
90028 =
323-463-0204
9pm - All Ages - 2=20 sets/$12.00


Sunday, Aug 19
Splinter = Group (total=20 improv)
G.E. Stinson: guitars, = loopage=20
Steuart Liebig: basses, loopage
Kaoru: voice, percussion/toys, loopage
dj=20 Chowderhead: turntables, beats
Alterknit = Lounge,=20
Knitting Factory LA
7021=20 Hollywood Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA =
90028
323-463-0204
9pm=20 - All Ages - 2 sets/$8.00

plenty more to be found:

knit: http://www.knittingfactory.= com/kfla/=20

rocco: http://www.roccoinla.com/ =

la weekly (free rag that lists shows): http://laweekly.com/


hope this helps,

stig


Hi.

I'm in L.A. all next week on business. Anyone know = of any good=20 gigs
happening?


cheers,
os.=20

------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C120FD.9935D020-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 13:07:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01683; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:06:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:06:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 10:03:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Repeater Now Shipping Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At least according to the full page ad on page 75 of the current Keyboard magazine. -- http://www.xfade.com/ | In theory, there's no difference between cbm@well.com | theory and practice. In practice, there is. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 13:18:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02168; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:17:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:17:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:16:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200108091716.NAA04752@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: Repeater Now Shipping X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 66.9.67.98 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > At least according to the full page ad on page 75 of the current > Keyboard magazine. Oh, Chris. Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris. You really had me going for a second there. You know, of course, that they place these ads months in advance? /t -- I am the wombat. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 13:22:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02442; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:20:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:20:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 10:19:21 -0700 From: "Miko Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Repeater Now Shipping Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA02371 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Serious Granfalloon there.... >>> "Tom Ritchford" 08/09/01 10:16AM >>> > At least according to the full page ad on page 75 of the current > Keyboard magazine. Oh, Chris. Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris. You really had me going for a second there. You know, of course, that they place these ads months in advance? /t -- I am the wombat. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 13:37:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03198; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:36:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:36:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 10:34:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: Repeater Now Shipping Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:16 PM -0400 8/9/01, Tom Ritchford wrote: >You know, of course, that they place these ads months >in advance? Only too well. I was just trying to stir up trouble. -C -- http://www.xfade.com/ | In theory, there's no difference between cbm@well.com | theory and practice. In practice, there is. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 13:40:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03389; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:39:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:39:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 10:37:52 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Repeater Now Shipping In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, tom@swirly.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:19 AM -0700 8/9/01, Miko Biffle wrote: >Serious Granfalloon there.... Perceptive. I'd been thinking that this was supposed to be a karass, but now that you point it out... -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 13:49:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03831; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:48:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:48:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 10:46:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, tom@swirly.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: Repeater Now Shipping Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:37 AM -0700 8/9/01, Richard Zvonar wrote: >At 10:19 AM -0700 8/9/01, Miko Biffle wrote: >>Serious Granfalloon there.... > >Perceptive. Shouldn't that have been "very nice"? -C -- http://www.xfade.com/ | In theory, there's no difference between cbm@well.com | theory and practice. In practice, there is. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 14:02:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05486; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 14:00:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 14:00:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 13:01:42 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Repeater Now Shipping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006501c120fd$5844e790$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com virtual wampeter? > At 10:19 AM -0700 8/9/01, Miko Biffle wrote: > >Serious Granfalloon there.... > > Perceptive. I'd been thinking that this was supposed to be a karass, > but now that you point it out... > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 14:21:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06354; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 14:19:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 14:19:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 11:18:28 -0700 Subject: Re: burning man loop jam, baybeee From: e o To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey there - i'm down with this plan. i'll be with a bunch of calarts and opera folk - somewhere behind mudance village. don't exactly know where fer shur yet. any loopers are welcome to stop by the opera diaspora camp (no opera this year, but there will still be rituals and other activities going on in a yurt) and who knows what might happen. the playa is ripe for spinning into infinity... eo -- eric oberthaler http://www.soundsliketree.com (fluidious music within) On 8/9/01 9:49 AM, "AaroneousAG@aol.com" wrote: > Hi Loopfreaks! > > I know a mess of us are going to be at Burning A-hole (the affectionate name > my non-attending friend gives to the event), so . . . what's going on? Are we > planning on getting together like last year? I didn't know there were other > loopers there 'til I got there > and caught some performances at the cafe . . . guess I > should have figured (west coast centered, experimental > art, technology obsessed = loopers!) > > Anywho, I'm going in on the Green Tortoise bus after flying in from NYC, so I > should be there Wednesday morning, camping with them or with the Asylum camp > (4:30 & Child). I'll have my line6, digitech echo+, some swirly stuff, some > grungy stuff and some quacking stuff, casio sk-200, guitar, and maybe a cheap > mic as well as a battery powered thingy (probably just a karioke machine, > unless I want to bother with hauling my crate limo all over the desert again) > Let's get together and make some repetitious nonlinearity (or non-linear > repetition, your choice) A list of who's camping where may be in order, as > well as an appropriate place to get together (gigsville, somebody's stage, the > cafe at 3am?) > > Hope nobody minds if we keep this on the list . . . otherwise, email me! > > Smell you there . . . > > Aaroneous > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 14:46:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09621; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 14:41:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 14:41:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010809183849.76609.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 11:38:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Subject: Re: burning man loop jam, baybeee To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Like last year??? I didn't catch any looping last year, nor the year before. I'm thinking of just bringing my roland handsonic which has a built in looping sequencer, but haven't found a good way to dustproof the thing yet. I figure it could serve loooooping and drumming purposes. Crate Limo - HEY! I was just looking at these for burning man use - what is your experience like with the limo, in general and at Burning Man specifically? How long does the battery last? How did you haul it around the playa? I'm not hooked up with any camp yet, and might be going solo this year, so I don't yet know where I'll be camping. stephen --- AaroneousAG@aol.com wrote: > Hi Loopfreaks! > > I know a mess of us are going to be at Burning > A-hole (the affectionate name my non-attending > friend gives to the event), so . . . what's going > on? Are we planning on getting together like last > year? I didn't know there were other loopers there > 'til I got there > and caught some performances at the cafe . . . guess > I > should have figured (west coast centered, > experimental > art, technology obsessed = loopers!) > > Anywho, I'm going in on the Green Tortoise bus > after flying in from NYC, so I should be there > Wednesday morning, camping with them or with the > Asylum camp (4:30 & Child). I'll have my line6, > digitech echo+, some swirly stuff, some grungy > stuff and some quacking stuff, casio sk-200, guitar, > and maybe a cheap mic as well as a battery powered > thingy (probably just a karioke machine, unless I > want to bother with hauling my crate limo all over > the desert again) Let's get together and make some > repetitious nonlinearity (or non-linear repetition, > your choice) A list of who's camping where may be > in order, as well as an appropriate place to get > together (gigsville, somebody's stage, the cafe at > 3am?) > > Hope nobody minds if we keep this on the list . . . > otherwise, email me! > > Smell you there . . . > > Aaroneous > ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 14:57:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10311; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 14:54:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 14:54:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010809130851.007cdd80@dlcwest.com> X-Sender: was@dlcwest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 13:08:51 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Garry Wasyliw Subject: SUPER LOOPERS TEE SHIRT OF JOY!!!!!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 17:04:07 -0400 >From: "Christopher White" > http://www.magicicada.com/looperstee.gif > just what you need That is exactly what I need! When will they be available?........ ;-> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 15:28:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13037; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 15:27:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 15:27:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Sender: simran@phys-ha2mpka-16.Eng.Sun.COM Message-ID: <3B72E3E7.EB5E6D69@Sun.COM> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 12:26:32 -0700 From: Simran gleason Reply-To: Simran.Gleason@Sun.COM Organization: Sun Microsystems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76C-CCK-MCD Netscape [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.7 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: burning man loop jam, baybeee Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1ET8JD.A.OLD.qPuc7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll be on the playa, with my looping gear, and some form of portable sound system. I'm camping with TOTEMmmmelt, the massage camp. We're located on the esplanade close to the center of things (6:30 or so). I'll propose that as an informal meeting place for dusty loopers. Simran > Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 12:50:06 -0400 > Old-Return-Path: > From: AaroneousAG@aol.com > Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 12:49:28 EDT > Subject: burning man loop jam, baybeee > To: > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Resent-Message-ID: <9WfhR.A.R2H.68rc7@hemlock.violacea.com> > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9950 > X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Hi Loopfreaks! > > I know a mess of us are going to be at Burning A-hole (the affectionate name my non-attending friend gives to the event), so . . . what's going on? Are we planning on getting together like last year? I didn't know there were other loopers there 'til I got there > and caught some performances at the cafe . . . guess I > should have figured (west coast centered, experimental > art, technology obsessed = loopers!) > > Anywho, I'm going in on the Green Tortoise bus after flying in from NYC, so I should be there Wednesday morning, camping with them or with the Asylum camp (4:30 & Child). I'll have my line6, digitech echo+, some swirly stuff, some grungy stuff and some quacking stuff, casio sk-200, guitar, and maybe a cheap mic as well as a battery powered thingy (probably just a karioke machine, unless I want to bother with hauling my crate limo all over the desert again) Let's get together and make some repetitious nonlinearity (or non-linear repetition, your choice) A list of who's camping where may be in order, as well as an appropriate place to get together (gigsville, somebody's stage, the cafe at 3am?) > > Hope nobody minds if we keep this on the list . . . otherwise, email me! > > Smell you there . . . > > Aaroneous > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 15:31:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13242; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 15:30:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 15:30:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B72E4C6.8BE0B752@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 12:30:14 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater Now Shipping References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I hope you get bit in the ass by a rabid Againinator. Mark Chris Muir wrote: > At 10:37 AM -0700 8/9/01, Richard Zvonar wrote: > >At 10:19 AM -0700 8/9/01, Miko Biffle wrote: > >>Serious Granfalloon there.... > > > >Perceptive. > > Shouldn't that have been "very nice"? > > -C > > -- > http://www.xfade.com/ | In theory, there's no difference between > cbm@well.com | theory and practice. In practice, there is. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 15:38:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13617; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 15:35:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 15:35:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 15:18:05 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: Repeater Now Shipping -- view from the other side Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:34 AM -0700 8/9/01, Chris Muir wrote: >At 1:16 PM -0400 8/9/01, Tom Ritchford wrote: >>You know, of course, that they place these ads months >>in advance? > >Only too well. I was just trying to stir up trouble. > >-C > I've been in the position of having booked ads in keyboard and em for a product that wasn't ready, costing both the ad money and sales on existing products. Its no fun, believe me. -- "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world. The unreasonable man persists in adapting the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 16:16:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16511; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 16:13:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 16:13:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008501c1210f$8c46f0d0$0e0a0a0a@StevesLaptop> From: "Steve Ginn" To: References: Subject: Multipair cables with Midi and Audio Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 15:12:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0082_01C120E5.A3290A60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0082_01C120E5.A3290A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Echoplex manual discussion onlineI am in the process of trying to = construct a multi pair cable that connects two different racks of = equipment. One rack contains midi controlled synths and the other rack = contains mixer, processors, etc. Does anyone know if I build a multi = channel connection snake, can I put midi and audio connections in the = same cable, or should they be separated. I would like to purchase one = 24 channel cables to carry audio and midi for six devices (12 audio = pairs and 12 midi pairs). Any ideas ... what should I be concerned = about (shielding, etc.)? Thanks, Steve Ginn ------=_NextPart_000_0082_01C120E5.A3290A60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Echoplex manual discussion online
I am in the process of trying to = construct a multi=20 pair cable that connects two different racks of equipment.  One = rack=20 contains midi controlled synths and the other rack contains mixer, = processors,=20 etc.  Does anyone know if I build a multi channel connection snake, = can I=20 put midi and audio connections in the same cable, or should they be=20 separated.  I would like to purchase one 24 channel cables to carry = audio=20 and midi for six devices (12 audio pairs and 12 midi pairs).  Any = ideas ...=20 what should I be concerned about (shielding, etc.)?
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0082_01C120E5.A3290A60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 16:44:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17652; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 16:36:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 16:36:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:34:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: Repeater Now Shipping Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> >>>Serious Granfalloon there.... >> >>Perceptive. > >Shouldn't that have been "very nice"? Very very nice. Too many people for a karass, no? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 10 05:28:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA08439; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 05:26:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 05:26:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c1217e$607598c0$51cec22b@cambmaya04> From: "Os" To: References: <4036A094D96A9549A6D6CCD979F1F363623DD8@engin-mail2> <001d01c11e8c$1953edb0$51cec22b@cambmaya04> <002f01c11f16$3bbda370$51cec22b@cambmaya04> Subject: Re: Reaktor - looper construction possible ? Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 10:25:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > I believe there is already an echoplex emulation in the user archives. > > > >I believe you're right, though I think it's an emulation of the old Echoplex > >rather than the EDP. > > I searched fro "Echoplex" and "loop" and could not finde it... > > Could you please give us more of a link to this? I find it an > important item, to be remembered on the LD site under Tolls... it's called 'ecoplex' - no 'h'! cheers, os. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 10 05:52:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA10129; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 05:51:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 05:51:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: o.malhomme@club.lemonde.fr Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 11:52:33 +0200 (CEST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: #Tools for sax X-Mailer: Medianet/v1.14 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id FAA09887 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I do send many different things to my jam man.. first, I use an effect send on each, on the mixing desk. Then again, the effect send is used as a volume control, but live, you would want to insert a vol pedal. Ans premix the stuff when it comes to max volume avalable. Then the effect send is sent (waow) to the machine with another vol pedal (used as a general "send stuff to the jamamn" volume control). Et hop, voià, c'est fait. Olivier From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 10 05:56:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA10774; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 05:54:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 05:54:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B73C9CF.286ACAAF@vtx.ch> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 11:47:27 +0000 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Multipair cables with Midi and Audio References: <008501c1210f$8c46f0d0$0e0a0a0a@StevesLaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Steve Ginn wrote: > > I am in the process of trying to construct a multi pair cable that > connects two different racks of equipment. One rack contains midi > controlled synths and the other rack contains mixer, processors, etc. > Does anyone know if I build a multi channel connection snake, can I > put midi and audio connections in the same cable, or should they be > separated. I would like to purchase one 24 channel cables to carry > audio and midi for six devices (12 audio pairs and 12 midi pairs). > Any ideas ... what should I be concerned about (shielding, etc.)? > > Thanks, > > Steve Ginn > Leave Audio alone in its own snake or you may experience "hearing Midi" I had my rack recabled by my tech with 2 snakes coming from the ground (midi+cv) (audio) and 3 snakes assembling the 2 4U racks (Midi) (CV) (Audio) 15 min setup, power on, play. I have some diagrams in PDF If you want to have a look Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 10 09:30:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26053; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 09:28:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 09:28:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004e01c121a0$49c955e0$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <55.1971935e.28a2cb6a@aol.com> Subject: Music Online Competition Act of 2001 Translation Online Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 14:28:04 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I did it folks. Go to http://www.earthlight.net/Thoughts002.html to read comfortably. And save your copyrights! Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.live365.com/stations/218194 * EarthLight Online / Live! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 08 August 2001 18:05 PM Subject: Re: Music Online Competition Act of 2001 Translation - Part 2 > Somebody' put a bunch of record co. lawyers in loop mode. > > My head spins from the legalese.... > > Bill > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 10 11:04:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00340; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 11:01:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 11:01:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Multipair cables with Midi and Audio Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 09:58:55 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c121ac$fa4e94f0$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <3B73C9CF.286ACAAF@vtx.ch> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Claude, Thanks for the info. It's what I had sort of expected. Thanks, Steve > -----Original Message----- > From: Claude Voit [mailto:c.voit@vtx.ch] > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 6:47 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Multipair cables with Midi and Audio > > > Steve Ginn wrote: > > > > I am in the process of trying to construct a multi pair cable that > > connects two different racks of equipment. One rack contains midi > > controlled synths and the other rack contains mixer, processors, etc. > > Does anyone know if I build a multi channel connection snake, can I > > put midi and audio connections in the same cable, or should they be > > separated. I would like to purchase one 24 channel cables to carry > > audio and midi for six devices (12 audio pairs and 12 midi pairs). > > Any ideas ... what should I be concerned about (shielding, etc.)? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Steve Ginn > > > > Leave Audio alone in its own snake or you may experience "hearing Midi" > > I had my rack recabled by my tech with 2 snakes coming from the ground > (midi+cv) (audio) > and 3 snakes assembling the 2 4U racks (Midi) (CV) (Audio) > > 15 min setup, power on, play. > > I have some diagrams in PDF If you want to have a look > > Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 10 11:06:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00594; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 11:04:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 11:04:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PaulPokr@aol.com Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 11:03:33 EDT Subject: What's Up with Carvin? To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A while ago , I posed a quiestion about Behringer whose products started appearing everywhere. I've been getting these Carvin catalogs in the mail. They also seem to have many products. They advertized a studio reference monitor (unpowered) that seemed interesting and relatively inexpensive. Some of their guitars look worthwhile as well. What have been people's experiences with Carvin's products? I heard an unsubstantiated negative about their PA gear. Regards, Paul the 'Butch Band' From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 10 12:51:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12159; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 12:49:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 12:49:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007501c121bb$b7e23220$6b44230a@melon> From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: Re: Multipair cables with Midi and Audio Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 12:44:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <8kea0C.A.D8C.KCBd7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Claude, I'm in the process of attempting a similar organization. I'd be very interested to see how you're doing this whether you want to post it here or email privately. Thanks! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claude Voit" To: Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 7:47 AM Subject: Re: Multipair cables with Midi and Audio > > Steve Ginn wrote: > > > > I am in the process of trying to construct a multi pair cable that > > connects two different racks of equipment. One rack contains midi > > controlled synths and the other rack contains mixer, processors, etc. > > Does anyone know if I build a multi channel connection snake, can I > > put midi and audio connections in the same cable, or should they be > > separated. I would like to purchase one 24 channel cables to carry > > audio and midi for six devices (12 audio pairs and 12 midi pairs). > > Any ideas ... what should I be concerned about (shielding, etc.)? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Steve Ginn > > > > Leave Audio alone in its own snake or you may experience "hearing Midi" > > I had my rack recabled by my tech with 2 snakes coming from the ground > (midi+cv) (audio) > and 3 snakes assembling the 2 4U racks (Midi) (CV) (Audio) > > 15 min setup, power on, play. > > I have some diagrams in PDF If you want to have a look > > Claude > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 10 13:31:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15978; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 13:29:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 13:29:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 19:28:38 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: What's Up with Carvin? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >A while ago , I posed a quiestion about Behringer whose products >started appearing everywhere. > >I've been getting these Carvin catalogs in the mail. They also seem >to have many products. They advertized a studio reference monitor >(unpowered) that seemed interesting and relatively inexpensive. Some >of their guitars look worthwhile as well. > >What have been people's experiences with Carvin's products? I heard >an unsubstantiated negative about their PA gear. I recently saw a tiny subwoofer cube in action and found it impressif! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 10 13:34:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16158; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 13:32:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 13:32:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 19:32:05 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: What's Up with Carvin? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >A while ago , I posed a quiestion about Behringer whose products >started appearing everywhere. > >I've been getting these Carvin catalogs in the mail. They also seem >to have many products. They advertized a studio reference monitor >(unpowered) that seemed interesting and relatively inexpensive. Some >of their guitars look worthwhile as well. > >What have been people's experiences with Carvin's products? I heard >an unsubstantiated negative about their PA gear. I recently saw a tiny subwoofer cube in action and found it impressif! or was that a Carver, rather? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 10 13:41:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16509; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 13:40:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 13:40:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <019b01c111c0$1cca5660$f844f93f@dnlsh01> References: <200107201659.MAA31084@hemlock.violacea.com> <019b01c111c0$1cca5660$f844f93f@dnlsh01> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 19:39:22 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: MIDIclock and other syncing Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com a while ago, talking about the Line6 units, Rick Walker said: >Actually, I jumped for joy when I heard that they have midi. On our recent >tour I told somebody, "if the DL-4 had midi syncing, I would dump every one >of my Jampersons in an instant". Why dont you use EDPs? I claim the actual version has more syncing options than all other loop units have, including the Repeater which has no word clock sync. I remember that JamMan users always complained about the little hicks they get when syncing with MIDI. Its what you get with MIDIclock. More or less. I wonder how well the Repeater solves it. Maybe thats what they are fighting with right now? Does anyone use MIDIclock to sync audio equipment in a studio? I suspect that the importance of BrotherSync has not been understood yet. There are two lines in it: Word clock and CycleStart / Reset. I just did some sessions with EDP users here in Switzerland and its awsome to follow each other without having to define which is master and which slave, beeing able to offset loops from each other whithout loosing sync (so the offset is constant). The upgrade goes much further with this. A synced Record is like a Multiply over the time of the brother musician. The brothers loop time appears in your display before you do the Record over it. And with a free key in Reset you can define whether you want to follow the others timing or create a new one which then your brother can take over if he likes it. No plugging, no parameter changing, really improv- and stage proof! The more loopers meetings happen, the more important syncing will be. How did you do it in the recent events? MIDI can be helpfull but is made to sync MIDI events to each other or to audio and is neither acurate nor handy enough for audio. It does not transmit where the beginning of the cycle is! You have to remember it since the beginning of the song by counting / caluculating the clocks right. Ok as long as you keep the same measure throughout the song, bad if you change it. Worse if you start the sequencer and somewhen later switch a loop to it: the sequencer has no way to know where your loop starts. Worse when you switch the loop on and off or want to move it against the sequencer beat. The new EDP verstion interprets Song Position Pointer as much as possible, but its 6 times less acurate than the MIDIclock itself and also does not tell anything about where you are musically, just how far you are from the start. Some Sequencers dont stop MIDI clock when you stop them. During playing there is no Song Position Pointer allowed. ... I have been fighting at least two heavy programming years of my precious life with MIDI and with great help of Claude Voit and Kim we worked out the maximum possible. But I would not "jump of joy" because of MIDI sync :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 10 13:56:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17565; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 13:54:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 13:54:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B741EDF.B40773CD@pa.msu.edu> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 13:50:23 -0400 From: John McIntyre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What's Up with Carvin? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com PaulPokr@aol.com wrote: > What have been people's experiences with Carvin's products? I heard an unsubstantiated negative about their PA gear. I've been using one of their bass amps since 1969 without any problems. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 10 14:11:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19408; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 14:10:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 14:10:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 14:09:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200108101809.OAA06765@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: What's Up with Carvin? X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 66.9.67.98 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > PaulPokr@aol.com wrote: > > > What have been people's experiences with Carvin's products? I heard an unsubstantiated negative about their PA gear. > > I've been using one of their bass amps since 1969 without any problems. People speak very highly of their bass guitars, though when I tried one out I didn't know enough about the bass to really say. Also, I don't think that they knock off other instrument makers. Certainly, they were one of the first to give you fretless 5 string basses and they are quite distinctive units. I think their low prices are due to the fact that they sell factory-direct and cut out the middleman... /t -- I am the wombat. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 10 14:14:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19619; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 14:13:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 14:13:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 14:12:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200108101812.OAA06910@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: What's Up with Carvin? X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 66.9.67.98 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <_KEt3.A.HyE.dQCd7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com M.Grob.wrote: > I recently saw a tiny subwoofer cube in action and found it impressif! > > or was that a Carver, rather? That was probably Carver -- they're also pretty cool, though a bit overpriced.. They specialize in high-tech consumer audio, like their acoustical holography amps... /t -- I am the wombat. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 10 14:22:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20029; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 14:20:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 14:20:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <200107201659.MAA31084@hemlock.violacea.com> <019b01c111c0$1cca5660$f844f93f@dnlsh01> Subject: Re: MIDIclock and other syncing Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 11:19:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Aug 2001 18:19:54.0789 (UTC) FILETIME=[0DDE2550:01C121C9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > MIDI can be helpfull but is made to sync MIDI events to each other or > to audio and is neither acurate nor handy enough for audio. > It does not transmit where the beginning of the cycle is! You have to > remember it since the beginning of the song by counting / > caluculating the clocks right. Ok as long as you keep the same > measure throughout the song, bad if you change it. Couldn't that be solved with midi note messages on a dummy midi track - having the EDP recognize a note on message as the start of the cycle, or defaulting to normal if it doesn't see one? This would definitely be of >great< use to me - I've often hit the wrong button and had the EDP lose site of the start of the loop. It's my biggest fear in a live situation, since apart from rebooting the EDP, I've found no fast fix. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 10 14:22:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20074; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 14:21:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 14:21:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.97.219] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: silhouette1030@hotmail.com Subject: Loops For ACID 3.0 - THANX ! Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 13:20:37 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Aug 2001 18:20:37.0421 (UTC) FILETIME=[274745D0:01C121C9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Folks ! I am just sending out a blanket THANK-YOU, to all those who purchased Sonic Foundry ACID 3.0 (for $99.00 or $149.00) and used my email address (ldarthard@ameritech.net) in the "Refer By" box. Because of you, I will receive 5 FREE ACID Loop Libraries. I am willing to share my good fortune with anyone interested in obtaing some of my Loops. I will be receiving : ACID DJ Expander Pack Downtempo Beats Hip Hop / R&B Vocals Techno Club Grooves II / Funky Extremes II Esssential Sounds II (That's almost $250.00 retail value).


Lucien E. Darthard A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It. Cell Phone 1-773-578-3504 http://go.to/ldarthard/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 10 15:17:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23785; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 15:15:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 15:15:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c121d0$7b357660$0101a8c0@invisible> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: Subject: R: What's Up with Carvin? Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 21:12:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi. As far as it goes for guitars, I think they make some of the best guitars I've played in almost 16 years of electric guitar playing. A friend of mine has just received a neck through strat like guitar, with ebony fingerboard, dunlop jumbo frets, dual carvin humbuckers , sperzels, fixed bridge (all of this for less than 600 $), and when I tried that one, I really thought to commit a crime and to steal him that guitar:-):-):-) It was damn light (strange for a neck through), and it played well right out of the box (it had travelled to Italy from the factory in USA and it had only the G string a bit out of tune). For a production instrument it is waaaaay better than any gibson or fender I have tried in the years (the workmanship in Carvin factory is really great). I've also tried a carvin mixer, and I find it a good workhorse. I don't have one just 'cause here in Italy it's a bit a problem to find one. And as far as it goes on (guitar) amps, the tube ones are great (just ask to Frank Zappa, Warren Cuccurullo, Steve Vai and Mike Keneally). Peace Luigi From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 10 15:38:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24969; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 15:36:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 15:36:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c121d4$e3e4f1a0$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: <002501c121d0$7b357660$0101a8c0@invisible> Subject: Re: What's Up with Carvin? Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 15:44:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Luigi Meloni > And as far as it goes on (guitar) amps, the tube ones are great (just ask to > Frank Zappa, Warren Cuccurullo, Steve Vai and Mike Keneally). Ask Frank and it's likely you won't get an answer. :( * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 10 15:48:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25784; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 15:46:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 15:46:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c121d4$6319c0a0$7fa14ed8@gnv.bellsouth.net> From: "shreeswifty" To: References: <002501c121d0$7b357660$0101a8c0@invisible> <000f01c121d4$e3e4f1a0$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> Subject: Re: What's Up with Carvin? Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 15:41:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You could though ask the Zappa family Trust :-) where are those damn videos gail! Pat Pagano, Director South East Just Intonation Society http://www.screwmusicforever.com/SHREESWIFT/ ----- Original Message ----- From: David Beardsley To: Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 3:44 PM Subject: Re: What's Up with Carvin? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Luigi Meloni > > > And as far as it goes on (guitar) amps, the tube ones are great (just ask > to > > Frank Zappa, Warren Cuccurullo, Steve Vai and Mike Keneally). > > Ask Frank and it's likely you won't get an answer. :( > > > * David Beardsley > * http://biink.com > * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 10 17:29:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32688; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:28:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:28:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:25:49 EDT Subject: Re: What's Up with Carvin? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ab.da01700.28a5ab5d_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10532 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_ab.da01700.28a5ab5d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i can just speak to the ae-185 guitar.....i like it very much.....perhaps go to harmony-central and read some of the reviews on carvin products.....i just did that this morning around some of their amps, very informative.....i think carvin is "big bang for the buck".....i know they give a 10 day trial on their guitars, if you dont like it, send it back, they may do the same on their speakers, give them a call, its a good deal.....:)m --part1_ab.da01700.28a5ab5d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i can just speak to the ae-185 guitar.....i like it very much.....perhaps go
to harmony-central and read some of the reviews on carvin products.....i just
did that this morning around some of their amps, very informative.....i think
carvin is "big bang for  the buck".....i know they give a 10 day trial on
their guitars, if you dont like it, send it back, they may do the same on
their speakers, give them a call, its a good deal.....:)m --part1_ab.da01700.28a5ab5d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 10 18:11:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09064; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 18:09:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 18:09:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B745C44.8BA637A2@cloud9.net> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 18:12:20 -0400 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #434 References: <200108102129.RAA00310@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I own a Carvin D127 Guitar - a very nice instrument :) I don't have experience with Carvin amps and monitors, but I've been told by other guitar players that Carvin has a reputation for good quality, solid gear. I believe they also have a "money back guarantee," so you should be able to try risk free (or perhaps just for the price of shipping) Elby > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: What's Up with Carvin? > Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 11:03:33 EDT > From: PaulPokr@aol.com > To: > > A while ago , I posed a quiestion about Behringer whose products > started appearing everywhere. > > I've been getting these Carvin catalogs in the mail. They also seem to > have many products. They advertized a studio reference monitor > (unpowered) that seemed interesting and relatively inexpensive. Some > of their guitars look worthwhile as well. > > What have been people's experiences with Carvin's products? I heard an > unsubstantiated negative about their PA gear. > > Regards, Paul > the 'Butch Band' > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 10 18:21:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10144; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 18:20:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 18:20:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [205.188.192.169] From: "Scott Anderson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: burning man loop jam, baybeee Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 22:19:11 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Aug 2001 22:19:11.0664 (UTC) FILETIME=[7B3B6B00:01C121EA] Resent-Message-ID: <3QLBmB.A.3dC.-3Fd7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, Burning Man-bound loopers. Is Burning Man a helpful place for getting ideas about portable, as-lightweight-as-possible AC power supply for a looper? I can not attend Burning Man but if anyone who does attend notices or learns about factory-made or custom-made AC power suppplies that they recommend and remember when they get back to email, I would appreciate hearing what company or individual to contact. Thank you very much. Scott New Jersey _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 10 19:06:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13311; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 19:05:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 19:05:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <18.10acf3a0.28a5c212@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 19:02:42 EDT Subject: Re: What's Up with Carvin? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 8/10/01 3:04:42 PM, PaulPokr@aol.com writes: << What have been people's experiences with Carvin's products? >> Used one of their PA systems (8 channel/stereo - 200 watts a side - 12" and horn each side) for many years - sounded fine built for the road. A friend uses one of their guitars - great workmanship and the action is the best I've seen on a stock guitar, name brand or otherwise. - Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 10 22:07:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA24212; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 22:04:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 22:04:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: THusken@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 22:03:33 EDT Subject: Re: What's Up with Carvin? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_dc.a6c71b7.28a5ec75_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10528 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_dc.a6c71b7.28a5ec75_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I purchased a Carvin TL60T (tele-style) a couple of years back after much research. I have to say that Carvin certainly lives up to the hype of ridiculous quality for low prices. I had mine done with Koa body, through neck, and matching headstock in an oil finish. I also got the ebony fingerboard with no dot markers, two humbuckers with coil splitters and phase switch, Wilkinson vibrato (all hardware black), Sperzel tuners, straplocks, and a real tweed case for a little under $900!!! This guitar plays so smooth and fast it is unbelievable and the pickups do not break up when you are using distortion. Do yourself a favor and at least check out the catalog. If I could do it over I would probably try most of the above but on an Allan Holdsworth model...the body style is too cool!! -Todd --part1_dc.a6c71b7.28a5ec75_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I purchased a Carvin TL60T (tele-style) a couple of years back after much
research.
 
I have to say that Carvin certainly lives up to the hype of ridiculous
quality for low prices.  I had mine done with Koa body, through neck, and
matching headstock in an oil finish.  I also got the ebony fingerboard with
no dot markers, two humbuckers with coil splitters and phase switch,
Wilkinson vibrato (all hardware black), Sperzel tuners, straplocks, and a
real tweed case for a little under $900!!!  This guitar plays so smooth and
fast it is unbelievable and the pickups do not break up when you are using
distortion.
 
Do yourself a favor and at least check out the catalog.
If I could do it over I would probably try most of the above but on an Allan
Holdsworth model...the body style is too cool!!   -Todd --part1_dc.a6c71b7.28a5ec75_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 10 23:39:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA31097; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 23:37:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 23:37:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000501c12216$2c8dcd00$61aa5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #229 Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 23:31:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed with a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #229 August 9, 2001. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Radio Massacre International (RMI), a group from the UK that embraces improvisational emusic even in the studio. The feature CD at midnight was "Knutsford in May" released on the Centaur label. RMI http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2001/focus01.html#aug PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm van Zyl, Gulch & Rath Shadow Chasers The Sound Museum (Groove) X Space Theme Whatever Happend to My Mind (none) VA {Kees Aerts] Put Me Down, Scotty Tracks Across the Universe (none) Telomere Mindwalking Astral Currents (Evenfall) Alpha Wave Movement & Bislama * Bislama (Spectral Spiral) Jim Cole 12:00 am RMI Under the Dish Knutsford in May (Centaur) RMI Frozen North Part 2 Knutsford in May (Centaur) RMI Ha'penny Bridge Knutsford in May (Centaur) RMI Skeletope Knutsford in May (Centaur) RMI Action Painting * Knutsford in May (Centaur) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Radio Massacre International. The feature CD at midnight will be "Borrowed Atoms" on the Centaur label. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, send email to: emusic-wdiy-subscribe@yahoogroups.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 08:25:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA04210; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 08:24:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 08:24:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 08:22:21 EDT Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #434 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I remember that JamMan users always complained about the little hicks > they get when syncing with MIDI. Its what you get with MIDIclock. > More or less. I wonder how well the Repeater solves it. Maybe thats > what they are fighting with right now? > Does anyone use MIDIclock to sync audio equipment in a studio? I've been syncing my EDPs to a JamMan. It's not perfect but does work. I haven't found a way to keep the 2 EDPs brothersynced and still have them respond to MIDI input. Basically I see the 'little hicks' problem as insoluable, because MIDI timing just isn't accurate enough for audio loops. The EDP is very impressive in how it minimises this by crossfading, something that wasn't even attempted on the JamMan. As long as Quantise is on the EDPs stay synced with the JamMan through all sorts of Inserts, Reverses and Multiplies. >The upgrade goes much further with this. > you can define whether you want to follow >the others timing or create a new one which then your brother can >take over if he likes it. The current software already allows this (undocumented). Recording on a blank Loop syncs, but re-recording on a curent loop doesn't. (a really nice feature) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 14:13:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22803; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 14:10:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 14:10:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Lee Barnes" To: Subject: RE: What's Up with Carvin? Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 14:11:13 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <18.10acf3a0.28a5c212@aol.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Have one of their older, early 80's models of double necked guitars (12 string on top, 6 string with a Kahler whammy bar on the bottom) and have to say that it's a favourite axe, about the only changes I've done to it, is to slowly cycle out the stock pickups and replace them with Seymour Duncans and to add a GK-2a to the 6-string side of things. If I had a complaint, it would be that it seems that Carvin no longer produces a double neck instrument, but again, this could just be cursory browsing/blindness on my part. Have to agree with the last post about their PA gear being very road worthy and sounding incredible. Their older 2x10's had incredible range, whether it be for guitar, bass, flute, Chapman Stick or Box Guitar. Can't remember who's speakers they're actually using, want to say the PA boards are Mackey's with different fader pots (or used to be). Back to the tapping of the Box Guitar. LeeohkinoWired From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 14:14:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23107; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 14:13:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 14:13:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.99.108] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: Samplestation@yahoogroups.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [Samplestation] Second question (i know im full of em) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 13:12:57 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2001 18:12:58.0207 (UTC) FILETIME=[3FFA86F0:01C12291] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

LovePants Wrote :

I forgot to ask as well, i want to record or use the sounds on the triton and be able to put them into a sequencer program how do i do this and do i need a midi sequencer program for this?

I Responded :

I have the same problem, but a little different. I know, that MIDI only controls seqeunceing info and such, and "physical" sounds stay on the source (i.e. the Triton's internal Soundbank), I was wondering if you can dump those sounds to say, a PC, to be used in a sequenceing app like SONAR or Cakewalk or CUBASE VST 5.0 ?

To My LOOPERS I Need Your Assistance on this one.

I want to dump my TRITON Trinity Pro Sounds to my PC (actually it's my Dj Buddy's Triton now, but I want to do some songs using the Triton sounds, so that I can have a reference, before I reup the MIDI to the Keyboard's Sequencer). I was going to use SONAR as the sequencing program, but I need the Triton Sounds on my PC so that I can hear what they sound like in a song. (I do not like the sounds that are generated in General MIDI by my PC's sound card). Is there a Soundbank CD I can get that I can let, a app like REASON read ? I am new to this MIDI set up, so I need some assistance (in the past, I would just throw the sample sounds in FruityLoops, and call it a day, but that creates a .WAV or .MP3 file, and I get errors trying to create .MID files.).

 


 





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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 16:51:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31570; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 16:50:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 16:50:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 13:45:28 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: [Samplestation] Second question (i know im full of em) In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com, Samplestation@yahoogroups.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1214559519==_ma============" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1214559519==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 1:12 PM -0500 8/11/01, Dj Devious D wrote: >I want to dump my TRITON Trinity Pro Sounds to my PC...(I do not >like the sounds that are generated in General MIDI by my PC's sound >card). Is there a Soundbank CD I can get that I can let, a app like >REASON read ? Maybe something like WaveIt may have what you need. It has 300 different synthesizer SoundFonts. http://www.dublab.dk/contents/wi_synth.htm I haven't found any CDs specific to the Korg Triton. Most of the synth SoundFonts and straight WAV file collections seem to be a mixed bag of different instruments. If you're really into the Triton and other Korg instruments, you might check out the Oasys PCI card. They can be found in the $500-600 range. That a lot more than the price of a CD, but it would probably be a big improvement over your present sound card. http://www.korg.com/oasyspci.htm http://www.korg.com/oasyspci_synth.htm http://www.korg.com/oasyspci_synth_pcm.htm http://www.korg.com/oasyspci_compatibility.htm -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz --============_-1214559519==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: [Samplestation] Second question (i know im full of
At 1:12 PM -0500 8/11/01, Dj Devious D wrote:

I want to dump my TRITON Trinity Pro Sounds to my PC...(I do not like the sounds that are generated in General MIDI by my PC's sound card). Is there a Soundbank CD I can get that I can let, a app like REASON read ?

Maybe something like WaveIt may have what you need. It has 300  different synthesizer SoundFonts.

http://www.dublab.dk/contents/wi_synth.htm

I haven't found any CDs specific to the Korg Triton. Most of the synth SoundFonts and straight WAV file collections seem to be a mixed bag of different instruments. If you're really into the Triton and other Korg instruments, you might check out the Oasys PCI card. They can be found in the $500-600 range. That a lot more than the price of a CD, but it would probably be a big improvement over your present sound card.

http://www.korg.com/oasyspci.htm

http://www.korg.com/oasyspci_synth.htm

http://www.korg.com/oasyspci_synth_pcm.htm

http://www.korg.com/oasyspci_compatibility.htm
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--============_-1214559519==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 17:00:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01072; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 16:59:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 16:59:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 13:51:44 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: What's Up with Carvin? In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:11 PM -0400 8/11/01, Lee Barnes wrote: >If I had a complaint, it would be that it seems that Carvin no longer >produces a double neck instrument, but again, this could just be cursory >browsing/blindness on my part. Maybe through their custom shop?: http://www.carvin.com/customshop/customgtr.html Or buy one of their guitar kits with a custom doubleneck body? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 23:26:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23010; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 23:24:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 23:24:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Loopbozo@aol.com Message-ID: <8b.ab4b9d9.28a750d4@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 23:24:04 EDT Subject: Re: What's Up with Carvin? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Had a Carvin 300 Watt Concert Bass Amp that I used with a stick back in the mid eighties that was a kick-ass amp. b.helm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 12 03:30:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA17904; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 03:29:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 03:29:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <016f01c12301$0851c2c0$6401a8c0@nc.rr.com> Reply-To: "diatom drone" From: "diatom drone" To: Subject: patchbay woes Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 03:33:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <4iU6U.A.NXE.jAjd7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i've been doing things in a pretty disorganized way for years and now that i finally have a good collection of hardware processors and stuff, i want to change that. i am totally new to the world of patchbays, and i've read up on the basics but a lot of it's still flying over my head. the electrix stuff i bought has balanced outputs, but i've got a kaoss pad and that's clearly unbalanced being RCAs.. i keep reading how "bad" unbalanced is supposed to be about noise, and since i'm still using a consumer level card for the time being the last thing i need is more of that. my mixer has 2 aux send jacks and 4 aux returns, so I figure with a patch bay i could pick and choose what processors get used without having to dig around in the back of my rig and wear out the jacks. or i could plug something directly in and just send the processor out to a stereo channel on the mixer, stuff like that. presumably if i set it up right i could chain devices together, arguably adding noise but maybe getting some great results anyway. am i pipe dreaming or is this what a patch bay really does? and how do i get past this balanced/unbalanced thing? reading back over this i realize that these are potentially really stupid questions but i'm really new to doing things "the right way" so any advice is appreciated. thanks! 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References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6q1Wr.A.h8C.t7qd7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I'm not sure who's responsible for the loopers delight mp3.com station, but I was wondering how I could link my song to it. It's currently at http://www.mp3.com/0crossing btw, I'm loving the stuff that's on there now! 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You have to >> remember it since the beginning of the song by counting / >> caluculating the clocks right. Ok as long as you keep the same >> measure throughout the song, bad if you change it. > >Couldn't that be solved with midi note messages on a dummy midi track - >having the EDP recognize a note on message as the start of the cycle, or >defaulting to normal if it doesn't see one? that would be rather proprietary, and not work in many cases. >This would definitely be of >>great< use to me - I've often hit the wrong button and had the EDP lose >site of the start of the loop. It's my biggest fear in a live situation, >since apart from rebooting the EDP, I've found no fast fix. we have a FAR better solution to this whole type of problem. I think you will like it. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 05:19:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA11180; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 05:16:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 05:16:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001e01c123d9$11068580$0200a8c0@erdem> Reply-To: "erdem helvacioglu" From: "erdem helvacioglu" To: Subject: Vortex problem Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:19:27 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01C123F2.326DD0C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C123F2.326DD0C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would like to ask you one thing,guys. My Lexicon Vortex switches = between presets automatically. Like say I load 5A, after sometime it = loads 8A, then switches between these presets.(10 times in a minute) = This happens only on 5,7 and 9, but it is very irritating. I did a reset = but that did not solve the problem either. Do you have aN idea about = this strange problem? Any help will be appreciated. =20 Thanks a lot. =20 e-mail: erdemhel@turk.net ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C123F2.326DD0C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I would like to ask you one thing,guys. My Lexicon Vortex switches = between=20 presets automatically. Like say I load 5A, after sometime it loads 8A, = then=20 switches between these presets.(10 times in a minute) This happens only = on 5,7=20 and 9, but it is very irritating. I did a reset but that did not solve = the=20 problem either. Do you have aN idea about this strange problem? Any help = will be=20 appreciated.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C123F2.326DD0C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 07:19:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA25853; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 07:17:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 07:17:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 13:16:02 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: MIDIclock and other syncing Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <5qy7XC.A.iTG.oc7d7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I remember that JamMan users always complained about the little hicks >> they get when syncing with MIDI. Its what you get with MIDIclock. >> More or less. I wonder how well the Repeater solves it. Maybe thats >> what they are fighting with right now? >> Does anyone use MIDIclock to sync audio equipment in a studio? > >I've been syncing my EDPs to a JamMan. It's not perfect but does work. Thats why they have a work clock master and go through all units with it in a professional studio. But then still nothing musical is exchanged, so we need to sync on another level out of Cycle, Bar, Loop - and MIDIclock is not ideal for this either. But yes, it helps, its better than nothing :-) >I haven't found a way to keep the 2 EDPs brothersynced and still have them >respond to MIDI input. well, they dont work totally equal in parallel, so when one unit does a sync correction and the other does not, the phase changes which turns out in a jump in the stereo picture, but they dont fall out of sync, do they? In the upgrade we improved this a lot, but we still depend on the regularity of the "rare" MIDIclocks, there is too much of a probability that a clock did arrive in one unit but not yet in the other... >Basically I see the 'little hicks' problem as insoluable, because >MIDI timing just isn't accurate enough for audio loops. yes, it takes a word clock (at sample frequency) to keep them together constantely. >The EDP is very impressive in how it minimises this by >crossfading, something that wasn't even attempted on the JamMan. >As long as Quantise is on the EDPs stay synced with the JamMan >through all sorts of Inserts, Reverses and Multiplies. great > >>The upgrade goes much further with this. >> you can define whether you want to follow >>the others timing or create a new one which then your brother can >>take over if he likes it. >The current software already allows this (undocumented). >Recording on a blank Loop syncs, but >re-recording on a curent loop doesn't. >(a really nice feature) yes, as it is now, you have to use Replace or FeedBack=0 + Overdub to start a new sound on the already synced loop. When you Reset and start a new one immediately, its not synced, if you wait for the first sync, it quantizes the Record to sync up. In the upgrade, it stays synced if you do a direct Record, and if you want to go on unsynced, you have to reset and press Overdub and it will only sync again, when you press Overdub again. Plus the syncing is not made by a quantized Record any more, but by "Multiply" over the brothers Cycle. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 09:33:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09692; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 09:32:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 09:32:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: Audio routing Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 08:30:26 -0500 Message-ID: <003001c123fc$1d671470$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am still a bit uncertain about the best options for audio routing with the EDP. Is an aux bus system best or is a series connected system the best? Do I have to be concerned with the wet/dry mix when using looping as I am with reverb and other effects? Or, do I run the entire signal through the EDP, all wet and no dry, before applying additional effects such as reverb? Thanks, Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 09:41:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11110; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 09:40:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 09:40:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex problem Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 09:44:22 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <001e01c123d9$11068580$0200a8c0@erdem> In-Reply-To: <001e01c123d9$11068580$0200a8c0@erdem> Cc: "erdem helvacioglu" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01081309442201.03894@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The problem is a faulty rotary encoder. Mine did this a few years back except it seemed a little worse than the symptoms you're describing. Lexicon was very helpful in getting it fixed. I had to pay their repair charge (I think it was $49 at the time), but they fixed it right up. Call Lexicon's Consumer Support at (781) 280-0300 or email them via the following website: http://www.lexicon.com/support/legacysupport.asp Good luck, Todd Pafford On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, erdem helvacioglu wrote: > My Lexicon Vortex switches between presets automatically. Like say I load > 5A, after sometime it loads 8A, then switches between these presets.(10 > times in a minute) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 11:29:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21492; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:27:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:27:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010813112753.00a0b020@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: robert@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:30:49 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: PCM 70 + 41 technoQuestions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_4710294==_.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_4710294==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed yo yall anybody got the skinny i need on these 2 (beloved) relics? PCM 70 manual sez output jacks on this unit are TRS... but goes no further. i could ASSUME that means T=hi, R=lo, S=ground... anyone knnow fer sure? i don't have any manuals for my pcm 41's; does anyone know if the jacks on these babies are balanced as well? you can reply off-list if this aint loop eunf fr ya.... rgrds a:c ++++++++ just what the world needs.... another frikkin url --=====================_4710294==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
yo yall

anybody got the skinny i need on these 2 (beloved) relics?

PCM 70 manual sez output jacks on this unit are TRS... but goes no further. i could ASSUME that means T=hi, R=lo, S=ground... anyone knnow fer sure?

i don't have any manuals for my pcm 41's; does anyone know if the jacks on these babies are balanced as well?

you can reply off-list if this aint loop eunf fr ya....

rgrds
a:c


++++++++
just what the world needs....
another frikkin url
--=====================_4710294==_.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 12:04:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24465; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:03:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:03:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:02:32 EDT Subject: Re: Loops For ACID 3.0 - THANX ! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <6lJOVB.A.29F.do_d7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com dj_devious_d@hotmail.com writes: >I will be receiving : > ACID DJ Expander Pack > Downtempo Beats > Hip Hop / R&B Vocals > Techno Club Grooves II / Funky Extremes II > Esssential Sounds II what --- no splattercell loops? *-) dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 12:36:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30019; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:35:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:35:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B780169.E226DA8@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 09:33:46 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loops For ACID 3.0 - THANX ! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0PSV_C.A.eUH.fGAe7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Speaking of... I finally went out and got the Remiksis:::Ah CD and I CAN'T STOP LISTENING TO IT! Oh why did I wait so long? Also, I finally got to really LISTEN to tracks from the mp3.com loopers station. Some REALLY sweet stuff guys. I'm about to order the Andre LaFosse CD! I've been to the station before, but usually at work where I'm being asked to put the faces of CEOs on movie posters (true) every 2 minutes, so I never REALLY got a chance to savor the tunes. Over the weekend I got a portable MP3 player and I think it's about to change the way I listen to music during the day. It also does low quality audio recording, great for singing out musical ideas when you're not around your instrument... unless your instrument is your voice. Anyway, thanks guys. I sure am glad you all exist. Mark Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > dj_devious_d@hotmail.com writes: > >I will be receiving : > > ACID DJ Expander Pack > > Downtempo Beats > > Hip Hop / R&B Vocals > > Techno Club Grooves II / Funky Extremes II > > Esssential Sounds II > what --- > no splattercell loops? > *-) > dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 12:58:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31598; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:57:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:57:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B780681.84A6060D@altruistmusic.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 09:55:29 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loops For ACID 3.0 - THANX ! References: <3B780169.E226DA8@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey there Mark, Mark wrote: > > Also, I finally got to really LISTEN to tracks from the mp3.com loopers > station. Some REALLY sweet stuff guys. I'm about to order the Andre > LaFosse CD! Very cool - thanks for the interest. I do want to mention that the track on the looper's station is a non-album remix, which is NOT on the actual CD. If you haven't already, you might want to peruse the actual album sounds, just to be sure of what you'd be getting. You may already have done so, of course -- just wanted to double check. Don't want you to end up ordering something you're unlikely to be happy with. Either way, though, I definitely appreciate the interest! Thanks, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 13:02:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00491; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 13:01:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 13:01:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 13:00:44 -0400 Subject: re Carvin From: Paul Sullivan To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_KQXRB.A.KH.-eAe7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've had a couple of students that have ordered Carvin guitars and I must concur that they are very well-made, with extremely low-action, and nice fretwork. The only nit I could see was in one with a sunburst finish--it was a little too blatantly red, then yellow for me. I bought one of their tweed style amps (the Nomad 50) a couple of years ago, after trying and rejecting all the available models like Fender, Peavy, and Crate. I was fully prepared to send it back, indeed I was a little pessimistic about the chances of liking both the clean and overdriven sounds and I was quite pleasantly surprised to find I loved it! Really good loud clean sound w/ no high-end sizzle (breakup) and very nice transparent overdrive. I'm seeing more of these amps around, so I guess word is getting out. Now if they would only include a footswitch to bypass the effects loop, for those times you just want straight guitar sound w/ no effects buzz. Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 13:55:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03404; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 13:52:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 13:52:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.115.93] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loops For ACID 3.0 - THANX ! Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:50:25 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2001 17:50:25.0690 (UTC) FILETIME=[6EA44FA0:01C12420] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

I already have the SPLATTERCELL ! Thanx for the suggestion though.




----Original Message Follows----
From: Hedewa7@aol.com
Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Loops For ACID 3.0 - THANX !
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:02:32 EDT
dj_devious_d@hotmail.com writes:
>I will be receiving :
> ACID DJ Expander Pack
> Downtempo Beats
> Hip Hop / R&B Vocals
> Techno Club Grooves II / Funky Extremes II
> Esssential Sounds II
what ---
no splattercell loops?
*-)
dt / s-c

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 14:15:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05752; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 14:13:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 14:13:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003101c12423$9ffe8f40$9283abd4@LucaFormentini> From: "luca" To: References: <003001c123fc$1d671470$6501a8c0@stevespc> Subject: R: Audio routing Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:13:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve, you can see a lot of different set ups in the archive. the thing it seems everyone is trying to do is put the looper in a position that allows it to record processed sounds, but also to process the loop itself when it's been recorded. you can use aux sends to feed its input and make its out come in through a channel strip. you can put other effects on the other auxes (making them come back in the mix through channels, not with the aux returns). the more auxes a mixer have the best it is for this topic, also they should be pre-fader ones. when you have just a few auxes you can find help with the alt. strips (the ones you usually use for a multitracker recorder, also called "groups"). anyway, take a piece of paper, a pen and a bunch of short cables and have fun, audio routing is a very fascinating thing to loose your head with and it affects your style very much. (the best it would be let your style affect the audio routing) my best, luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 14:23:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06287; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 14:21:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 14:21:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Audio routing Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 13:20:10 -0500 Message-ID: <005e01c12424$96844d00$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-reply-to: <003101c12423$9ffe8f40$9283abd4@LucaFormentini> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <3LE--B.A.uhB.rqBe7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Luca for the response. I have checked the archives, but I guess I am not using the search engine properly to return what I am looking for. Regards, Steve > -----Original Message----- > From: luca [mailto:lucafeed@tin.it] > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 1:13 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: R: Audio routing > > Steve, you can see a lot of different set ups in the archive. > the thing it seems everyone is trying to do is put the looper in a > position > that allows it to record processed sounds, but also to process the loop > itself when it's been recorded. > you can use aux sends to feed its input and make its out come in through a > channel strip. > you can put other effects on the other auxes (making them come back in the > mix through channels, not with the aux returns). > the more auxes a mixer have the best it is for this topic, also they > should > be pre-fader ones. > when you have just a few auxes you can find help with the alt. strips (the > ones you usually use for a multitracker recorder, also called "groups"). > anyway, take a piece of paper, a pen and a bunch of short cables and have > fun, audio routing is a very fascinating thing to loose your head with and > it affects your style very much. (the best it would be let your style > affect > the audio routing) > my best, > luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 14:35:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06924; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 14:34:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 14:34:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007501c12425$c403ae50$6b44230a@melon> From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <005e01c12424$96844d00$6501a8c0@stevespc> Subject: Re: Audio routing Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 14:28:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <_qiF6B.A.uqB.61Be7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you happen to have a grand or two to throw at this, you might want to look into the Sound Sculpture matrix routing gear: http://www.soundsculpture.com/sculpt3.htm The nice thing is that they're programmable, so you wouldn't need to manually tweak your aux sends on your mixer to change your effects routing, you could use a footcontroller or something instead and leave your hands free to play. (thinking about selling the car for one myself ...) MIDI controllable rack mixers/aux expanders might work too for cheaper. Don't know of any offhand. Anyone know of cheaper alternatives to the Switchblade products? Thanks, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 2:20 PM Subject: RE: Audio routing > Thanks Luca for the response. > > I have checked the archives, but I guess I am not using the search > engine properly to return what I am looking for. > > Regards, > Steve > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: luca [mailto:lucafeed@tin.it] > > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 1:13 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: R: Audio routing > > > > Steve, you can see a lot of different set ups in the archive. > > the thing it seems everyone is trying to do is put the looper in a > > position > > that allows it to record processed sounds, but also to process the > loop > > itself when it's been recorded. > > you can use aux sends to feed its input and make its out come in > through a > > channel strip. > > you can put other effects on the other auxes (making them come back in > the > > mix through channels, not with the aux returns). > > the more auxes a mixer have the best it is for this topic, also they > > should > > be pre-fader ones. > > when you have just a few auxes you can find help with the alt. strips > (the > > ones you usually use for a multitracker recorder, also called > "groups"). > > anyway, take a piece of paper, a pen and a bunch of short cables and > have > > fun, audio routing is a very fascinating thing to loose your head with > and > > it affects your style very much. (the best it would be let your style > > affect > > the audio routing) > > my best, > > luca > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 15:07:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09503; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:03:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:03:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010813210107.00d62bd0@mail.groundloops.com> X-Sender: 03groundloopscom@mail.groundloops.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 21:02:46 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: leocavallo Subject: Re: Loops For ACID 3.0 - THANX ! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com and don't forget to let us know if you like Downtempo Beats!!! ;) ciao leo cavallo At 12.02 13/08/01 -0400, you wrote: >dj_devious_d@hotmail.com writes: > >I will be receiving : > > ACID DJ Expander Pack > > Downtempo Beats > > Hip Hop / R&B Vocals > > Techno Club Grooves II / Funky Extremes II > > Esssential Sounds II >what --- >no splattercell loops? >*-) >dt / s-c www.groundloops.com c o o l . s o u n d s & s a m p l e . c d s f r e e . s a m p l e s . a r c h i v e From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 15:08:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09565; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:04:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:04:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Audio routing Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 14:03:01 -0500 Message-ID: <006e01c1242a$93582ba0$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-reply-to: <007501c12425$c403ae50$6b44230a@melon> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com These look pretty nice. I wonder if you could just get the 8in 8out model, use 2 of the ins and outs for the mains and the other six connected to other pieces of effects processing gear for routing? If this would be possible, you could then just use a single space line mixer and essentially have, in 2 spaces, an 8 stereo channel mixing system with 6 aux busses (or even master inserts followed by auxes, etc.). Steve > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael LaMeyer [mailto:mlameyer@rcn.com] > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 1:29 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Audio routing > > > If you happen to have a grand or two to throw at this, you > might want to look into the Sound Sculpture matrix routing gear: > > http://www.soundsculpture.com/sculpt3.htm > > The nice thing is that they're programmable, so you wouldn't > need to manually tweak your aux sends on your mixer to change > your effects routing, you could use a footcontroller or > something instead and leave your hands free to play. > > (thinking about selling the car for one myself ...) > > MIDI controllable rack mixers/aux expanders might work too > for cheaper. Don't know of any offhand. Anyone know of > cheaper alternatives to the Switchblade products? > > Thanks, > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M. Steven Ginn" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 2:20 PM > Subject: RE: Audio routing > > > > Thanks Luca for the response. > > > > I have checked the archives, but I guess I am not using the > search > > engine properly to return what I am looking for. > > > > Regards, > > Steve > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: luca [mailto:lucafeed@tin.it] > > > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 1:13 PM > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Subject: R: Audio routing > > > > > > Steve, you can see a lot of different set ups in the > archive. > > > the thing it seems everyone is trying to do is put the > looper in a > > > position > > > that allows it to record processed sounds, but also to > process the > > loop > > > itself when it's been recorded. > > > you can use aux sends to feed its input and make its out > come in > > through a > > > channel strip. > > > you can put other effects on the other auxes (making them > come back in > > the > > > mix through channels, not with the aux returns). > > > the more auxes a mixer have the best it is for this topic, > also they > > > should > > > be pre-fader ones. > > > when you have just a few auxes you can find help with the > alt. strips > > (the > > > ones you usually use for a multitracker recorder, also > called > > "groups"). > > > anyway, take a piece of paper, a pen and a bunch of short > cables and > > have > > > fun, audio routing is a very fascinating thing to loose your > head with > > and > > > it affects your style very much. (the best it would be let > your style > > > affect > > > the audio routing) > > > my best, > > > luca > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 15:16:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10088; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:13:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:13:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c1242b$bad68860$0101a8c0@invisible> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <005e01c12424$96844d00$6501a8c0@stevespc> <007501c12425$c403ae50$6b44230a@melon> Subject: R: Audio routing Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 21:11:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi. One thing I found recently (it is used, but in almost mint condition) is an old(?) AKAI midi programmable audio patch bay. A friend of mine uses one of them and he is really glad of this unit. I think it is called MP80, but I'm not really sure of it. I think I'll buy it just to use with my mixer, as my Behringer has only two sends, and I already use both of them. I have recently bought a Digitech Studio Twin (I think its name is tsr24), and I found I didn't know where to patch it, as I already have an akai headrush that goes into a Boss vf-1 on a send and an edp that goes into a Korg A1 on the other one, but it was damn cheap, it has some great reverbs and delays, so I had to get one. And I use all the four groups on my mixer for multitrack recording, so a patch bay should be the only solution (without changing the mixer, obviously). Peace Luigi P.S. I'm going to London in a week or two. Anyone knows of some good concerts there (involving looping, obviously...)? ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael LaMeyer To: Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 8:28 PM Subject: Re: Audio routing > If you happen to have a grand or two to throw at this, you might > want to look into the Sound Sculpture matrix routing gear: > > http://www.soundsculpture.com/sculpt3.htm > > The nice thing is that they're programmable, so you wouldn't > need to manually tweak your aux sends on your mixer to change > your effects routing, you could use a footcontroller or > something instead and leave your hands free to play. > > (thinking about selling the car for one myself ...) > > MIDI controllable rack mixers/aux expanders might work too for > cheaper. Don't know of any offhand. Anyone know of cheaper > alternatives to the Switchblade products? > > Thanks, > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M. Steven Ginn" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 2:20 PM > Subject: RE: Audio routing > > > > Thanks Luca for the response. > > > > I have checked the archives, but I guess I am not using the > search > > engine properly to return what I am looking for. > > > > Regards, > > Steve > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: luca [mailto:lucafeed@tin.it] > > > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 1:13 PM > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Subject: R: Audio routing > > > > > > Steve, you can see a lot of different set ups in the > archive. > > > the thing it seems everyone is trying to do is put the > looper in a > > > position > > > that allows it to record processed sounds, but also to > process the > > loop > > > itself when it's been recorded. > > > you can use aux sends to feed its input and make its out > come in > > through a > > > channel strip. > > > you can put other effects on the other auxes (making them > come back in > > the > > > mix through channels, not with the aux returns). > > > the more auxes a mixer have the best it is for this topic, > also they > > > should > > > be pre-fader ones. > > > when you have just a few auxes you can find help with the > alt. strips > > (the > > > ones you usually use for a multitracker recorder, also > called > > "groups"). > > > anyway, take a piece of paper, a pen and a bunch of short > cables and > > have > > > fun, audio routing is a very fascinating thing to loose your > head with > > and > > > it affects your style very much. (the best it would be let > your style > > > affect > > > the audio routing) > > > my best, > > > luca > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 15:25:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10582; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:22:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:22:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010813120913.00b6f0a8@mail.mindspring.com> X-Files: The truth is out there. Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:20:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Subject: RE: Audio routing In-Reply-To: <006e01c1242a$93582ba0$6501a8c0@stevespc> References: <007501c12425$c403ae50$6b44230a@melon> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:03 PM 2001/08/13 -0500, someone wrote: >I wonder if you could just get the 8in 8out model, use 2 of the ins and >outs for the mains and the other six connected to other pieces of >effects processing gear for routing? I would think that that's probably the most common use of a SwitchBlade. >If this would be possible, you >could then just use a single space line mixer and essentially have, in 2 >spaces, an 8 stereo channel mixing system with 6 aux busses (or even >master inserts followed by auxes, etc.). You wouldn't even need the mixer - just patch the effect returns' ins to the outs that you've called the mains. Download the WinBlade software and try it out. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 15:26:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10694; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:25:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:25:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008101c1242c$d58070d0$6b44230a@melon> From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <006e01c1242a$93582ba0$6501a8c0@stevespc> Subject: Re: Audio routing Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:19:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <28HqJ.A.emC.flCe7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yup. It does that. If you don't need balanced I/O, you can get the 8x8 for $750. You can also program individual gain levels for each patch. And use MIDI to do stuff like multiple simultaneous crossfades between a programmable selection of signals!!! And you can scale the sweep for each signal. http://www.soundsculpture.com/sculpt7.htm Crossfading loopers!! Weee! Giddy up!!! *ahem* Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 3:03 PM Subject: RE: Audio routing > These look pretty nice. > > I wonder if you could just get the 8in 8out model, use 2 of the ins and > outs for the mains and the other six connected to other pieces of > effects processing gear for routing? If this would be possible, you > could then just use a single space line mixer and essentially have, in 2 > spaces, an 8 stereo channel mixing system with 6 aux busses (or even > master inserts followed by auxes, etc.). > > Steve > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michael LaMeyer [mailto:mlameyer@rcn.com] > > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 1:29 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Audio routing > > > > > > If you happen to have a grand or two to throw at this, you > > might want to look into the Sound Sculpture matrix routing gear: > > > > http://www.soundsculpture.com/sculpt3.htm > > > > The nice thing is that they're programmable, so you wouldn't > > need to manually tweak your aux sends on your mixer to change > > your effects routing, you could use a footcontroller or > > something instead and leave your hands free to play. > > > > (thinking about selling the car for one myself ...) > > > > MIDI controllable rack mixers/aux expanders might work too > > for cheaper. Don't know of any offhand. Anyone know of > > cheaper alternatives to the Switchblade products? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Mike > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "M. Steven Ginn" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 2:20 PM > > Subject: RE: Audio routing > > > > > > > Thanks Luca for the response. > > > > > > I have checked the archives, but I guess I am not using the > > search > > > engine properly to return what I am looking for. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: luca [mailto:lucafeed@tin.it] > > > > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 1:13 PM > > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > Subject: R: Audio routing > > > > > > > > Steve, you can see a lot of different set ups in the > > archive. > > > > the thing it seems everyone is trying to do is put the > > looper in a > > > > position > > > > that allows it to record processed sounds, but also to > > process the > > > loop > > > > itself when it's been recorded. > > > > you can use aux sends to feed its input and make its out > > come in > > > through a > > > > channel strip. > > > > you can put other effects on the other auxes (making them > > come back in > > > the > > > > mix through channels, not with the aux returns). > > > > the more auxes a mixer have the best it is for this topic, > > also they > > > > should > > > > be pre-fader ones. > > > > when you have just a few auxes you can find help with the > > alt. strips > > > (the > > > > ones you usually use for a multitracker recorder, also > > called > > > "groups"). > > > > anyway, take a piece of paper, a pen and a bunch of short > > cables and > > > have > > > > fun, audio routing is a very fascinating thing to loose your > > head with > > > and > > > > it affects your style very much. (the best it would be let > > your style > > > > affect > > > > the audio routing) > > > > my best, > > > > luca > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 15:45:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11541; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:39:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:39:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Audio routing Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 14:37:59 -0500 Message-ID: <006f01c1242f$7561efa0$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-reply-to: <4.3.2.7.2.20010813120913.00b6f0a8@mail.mindspring.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I actually meant the mixer was for my other synths (I have 6 of them) and mic pres, which would be mixed down to two main outs, before sending through the effects/processing matrix. Steve > > You wouldn't even need the mixer - just patch the effect > returns' ins to > the outs that you've called the mains. > > Download the WinBlade software and try it out. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 16:00:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12491; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:54:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:54:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c12431$be486ee0$7887abd4@LucaFormentini> From: "luca" To: References: <006e01c1242a$93582ba0$6501a8c0@stevespc> <008101c1242c$d58070d0$6b44230a@melon> Subject: R: Audio routing Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 21:54:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Switchblade is for sure the best solution, but think that you will not have the chance to make those dj-like crossfades on the fly with the that good visual interaction of old style faders you'll find on a mixer. to do this with Switchblade you can assign continous controls on each efx inputs' and have them on a midi conroller like Peavey or others. Another chance are the friendchip's (www.friend-chip.de) also if they allow you to assign one output to several inputs, but not several outputs to the same input. also it comes just for digital paths. i am waiting to see Event Ez Bus out. on the paper it could have great routing controls, scenes memories and it can turn itself into a midicontroller (the mixer sliders become cont.controllers faders) have fun, luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 17:04:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18252; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:59:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:59:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010813210107.00d62bd0@mail.groundloops.com> Subject: Re: Loops For ACID 3.0 - THANX ! Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 13:58:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2001 20:58:03.0715 (UTC) FILETIME=[A4F29930:01C1243A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's a got a great sound if you need softer, R&B/hiphop drums. I'm using it right now for a theater project with an 'urban' ballad feel. Sweet stuff. Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: "leocavallo" To: Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 12:02 PM Subject: Re: Loops For ACID 3.0 - THANX ! > and don't forget to let us know if you like Downtempo Beats!!! ;) > > ciao > leo cavallo > > > > At 12.02 13/08/01 -0400, you wrote: > >dj_devious_d@hotmail.com writes: > > >I will be receiving : > > > ACID DJ Expander Pack > > > Downtempo Beats > > > Hip Hop / R&B Vocals > > > Techno Club Grooves II / Funky Extremes II > > > Esssential Sounds II > >what --- > >no splattercell loops? > >*-) > >dt / s-c > > > www.groundloops.com > > c o o l . s o u n d s & s a m p l e . c d s > f r e e . s a m p l e s . a r c h i v e > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 18:55:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29279; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:41:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:41:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d701c12449$1c09c760$4a44f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200108131926.PAA10877@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Loops for ACID 3.0 -THANX Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:41:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <0_Z9l.A.1IH.sdFe7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey d/t, I recieved a gratis copy of your ACID loops CD, "splattercell-Textural Elements" (for convincing three people to buy ACID 3.0) and have to say that it is brilliant. thanks for all the creativity! yours, Rick (loop......) ps that's splattercell, the splattercell remix cd and the loops package..........jeez don't I get a free t-shirt of something? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 19:02:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30052; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:50:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:50:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <001e01c123d9$11068580$0200a8c0@erdem> <01081309442201.03894@localhost.localdomain> Subject: Re: Vortex problem Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:49:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2001 22:49:44.0072 (UTC) FILETIME=[3EABF080:01C1244A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Several of the presets in my vortex don't seem to respond the way they should - notably deja vu (my favourite one) All I get back is a dry signal, perhaps doubled :< Time to open the manual again. > The problem is a faulty rotary encoder. Mine did this a few years back except > it seemed a little worse than the symptoms you're describing. Lexicon was > very helpful in getting it fixed. I had to pay their repair charge (I think > it was $49 at the time), but they fixed it right up. It's $100 now, I believe. On another note, a few months back there were several posts regarding synching a vortex using the brother synch from an EDP. I've looked in the archives, but just can't seem to find them. Does anyone have them handy? Thanks! Jonathan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 19:03:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30437; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:54:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:54:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Basic intro Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:58:15 -0700 Organization: Darklock Communications Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1lVEHD.A.oYH.RqFe7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi. I'm Caliban. I make music with loops and samples. I tend to work with software instead of hardware. My latest bit is at ftp://ftp.darklock.com/pub/darksound/singa.mp3 if anyone wants to listen to it. That whole FTP directory is full of stuff I've done. Most of it sucks infected monkey balls. I didn't know it at the time, because I was stupid. It's only up there for hysterical raisins these days. I have to this day never made anything that I actually thought was good. (I've made things I *like*, but I wouldn't call them *good*.) I tend to use the same samples over and over. Some of them are already overused in the community. I get really annoyed when people complain about that, like I didn't know I was doing it or something. I write long posts. Those posts assume a certain amount of common sense, like whether "musicians" means "all musicians everywhere" or "most sample-based musicians who use externally produced samples" when I say something like "Musicians like samples to be ready-to-use without any further processing." If you don't use samples, or always make your own samples, it should be pretty obvious that the statement doesn't apply. If I said *everything* with that level of specificity, my posts would be three to four times as long. ("In general, most sample-based musicians who use externally produced samples usually prefer that samples acquired from the aforementioned external sources are clearly labeled, have been sorted by genre and/or BPM when appropriate, were recorded at a reasonable volume and quality, and are properly edited for time and loop points such that they can be effectively used in a mix without any added preprocessing excepting that which is necessary to add any additional effects which may be desired in the final product.") Since my posts are already long enough to get occasional complaints from people who don't want to read that much, I tend to think that's a bad idea. I'm also something of an egomaniac. I think my two cents is more important than anyone else's, because it's mine. I do, however, understand that no matter how much I may like it -- it's still just two cents. ;) That's more or less it. Nice to be here. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 19:20:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA00735; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 19:19:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 19:19:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:12:36 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Basic intro In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: <9XPdB.A.BL.cBGe7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:58 PM -0700 8/13/01, Caliban Tiresias Darklock wrote: >Hi. > >I'm Caliban. Nice names. The first two remind me of my own artistic history: Caliban - The first electronic music I remember hearing was the score to the film "Forbidden Planet." Tiresias - The main character in my theater piece "soul murder" thought that God was turning him into a woman. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 19:26:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01071; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 19:25:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 19:25:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Basic intro Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:28:50 -0700 Organization: Darklock Communications Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:12:36 -0700, Richard Zvonar wrote: >Nice names. The first two remind me of my own artistic history: > >Caliban - The first electronic music I remember hearing was the score >to the film "Forbidden Planet." > >Tiresias - The main character in my theater piece "soul murder" >thought that God was turning him into a woman. Damn, that's the first time I've ever had someone pick up references before anyone asked about them. I think I'm going to like this list. ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 19:28:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01268; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 19:27:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 19:27:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010813192418.007de9c0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 19:24:18 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Loops For ACID 3.0 - THANX ! In-Reply-To: <3B780681.84A6060D@altruistmusic.com> References: <3B780169.E226DA8@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <7pS9j.A.ST.eJGe7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:55 AM 8/13/01 -0700, Andre wrote: >Don't want you to end up ordering something you're unlikely to be happy with. I got Andre's CD a week or so ago. I'm not exactly sure of his tastes but there's a pretty good probability Mark'll be very happy with it! -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 20:16:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA04887; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:15:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:15:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010814021055.00c1fa50@mail.groundloops.com> X-Sender: 03groundloopscom@mail.groundloops.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 02:13:51 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: leocavallo Subject: Re: Loops For ACID 3.0 - THANX ! In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010813210107.00d62bd0@mail.groundloops.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com soft R&B!?! there're tons of Sherman Filterbank distortion going on on those loops... I had just received my unit just in the middle of the production stage... ;) just joking... glad you like it... :) ciao leo At 13.58 13/08/01 -0700, you wrote: >It's a got a great sound if you need softer, R&B/hiphop drums. I'm using it >right now for a theater project with an 'urban' ballad feel. Sweet stuff. > >Jonathan > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "leocavallo" >To: >Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 12:02 PM >Subject: Re: Loops For ACID 3.0 - THANX ! > > > > and don't forget to let us know if you like Downtempo Beats!!! ;) > > > > ciao > > leo cavallo > > > > > > > > At 12.02 13/08/01 -0400, you wrote: > > >dj_devious_d@hotmail.com writes: > > > >I will be receiving : > > > > ACID DJ Expander Pack > > > > Downtempo Beats > > > > Hip Hop / R&B Vocals > > > > Techno Club Grooves II / Funky Extremes II > > > > Esssential Sounds II > > >what --- > > >no splattercell loops? > > >*-) > > >dt / s-c > > > > > > www.groundloops.com > > > > c o o l . s o u n d s & s a m p l e . c d s > > f r e e . s a m p l e s . a r c h i v e > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 20:24:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05643; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:22:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:22:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 17:50:54 -0700 From: glenn Subject: Re: Basic intro In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com intrigued by the name "Tiresias" from Genesis' "Cinema Show", sometime in high school(late 70's) i went to the library and started reading through Greek mythology and seem to remember that "Tiresias" was watching Athena bathe and got caught and blinded, but them she or someone felt sorry for him and gave him the ability to foretell the future by reading the flight of birds(which i was never clear on how he was able to do, not having sight and all) or i could have very easily mixed it all up a bit over the years..?:) Anyhow, great name! on 8/13/01 4:28 PM, Caliban Tiresias Darklock at caliban@darklock.com wrote: >> Tiresias - The main character in my theater piece "soul murder" >> thought that God was turning him into a woman. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 20:58:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11423; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:56:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:56:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Basic intro Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:00:28 -0700 Organization: Darklock Communications Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 13 Aug 2001 17:50:54 -0700, glenn wrote: >intrigued by the name "Tiresias" from Genesis' "Cinema Show", sometime in >high school(late 70's) i went to the library and started reading through >Greek mythology and seem to remember that "Tiresias" was watching Athena >bathe and got caught and blinded, but them she or someone felt sorry for him >and gave him the ability to foretell the future by reading the flight of >birds(which i was never clear on how he was able to do, not having sight and >all) There's a branching myth. Tiresias was a blind Theban soothsayer. He was blinded for one of many possible reasons, the four most commonly repeated of which I will cover here... - Tiresias could see the future by reading the flight of birds, and revealed secrets of the gods to mortal men. The gods punished him with blindness, so he could no longer read the flight of birds, but he then used other methods of foretelling the future. OR - Tiresias saw Athena bathing, and she splashed water in his eyes and blinded him. Athena's handmaiden pleaded for mercy, so Athena gave him the power to see the future. OR - Tiresias saw Athena bathing, and a "law" created by Chronos caused him to be blinded. Athena thought this was too harsh a punishment, but could not undo it... so she gave him the power to see the future instead. OR - Zeus and Hera were arguing about whether men or women enjoyed sex more, and Tiresias was consulted. He reported that the woman has ten times the pleasure of the man, so one of them blinded him for saying this (accounts vary as to whether it was Zeus because he lost the argument, or Hera because he had revealed the greatest secret of women) and the other gave him the power to see the future. (Why was Tiresias consulted in this argument? Two other legends: when Tiresias saw Athena bathing, she turned him into a woman for seven years before her handmaiden convinced her to relent and turn him back into a man; OR Tiresias saw two snakes copulating and hit the female with a stick -- Athena was angered and turned him into a woman, and seven years later Tiresias saw the same two snakes copulating and hit the male with a stick, which for some strange reason struck Athena as fair so she turned him back into a man.) Tiresias also supposedly had the ability to understand the *speech* of birds, a magical walking stick which allowed him to walk as well as a sighted person (in some variants it's just a normal stick he uses, and carries no magical properties), and the gift of a very long life (seven or nine generations; accounts vary). Variants of the above myths sometimes account for these by various means; the gist of it is that Tiresias was blind, could see the future, lived as a woman for seven years, understood the speech of birds, carried a walking stick which some people believed was magical, and lived a very long life. All of these (with the possible exception of the walking stick) were gifts or punishments from the gods. It's a fascinating story, full of twists and turns and false starts and confusion. Complex. Just like me. Or at least, I like to think so. :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 21:12:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14980; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 21:10:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 21:10:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:38:33 -0700 From: glenn Subject: Re: Basic intro In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: <9TM30.A.rpD.qpHe7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com that was great! Recognized lots of those themes but they'd become somewhat nebulous over the years to say the least. Thanks for that: Interesting stuff. glenn on 8/13/01 6:00 PM, Caliban Tiresias Darklock at caliban@darklock.com wrote: > > It's a fascinating story, full of twists and turns and false starts and > confusion. Complex. Just like me. Or at least, I like to think so. : From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 22:16:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19205; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 22:15:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 22:15:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Basic intro Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 19:19:01 -0700 Organization: Darklock Communications Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:38:33 -0700, glenn wrote: >that was great! Recognized lots of those themes but they'd become somewhat >nebulous over the years to say the least. Thanks for that: Interesting >stuff. (Dragging things back on topic...) The most interesting Tiresias reference I ever found was in Peter Gabriel's "White Shadow" on his second solo album: No one knew if the spirit died; All wrapped to go, like Kentucky Fried. Trying to read the flight of birds -- low on fuel, getting low on words. When I thought about this, it occurred to me that a lot of the songs I really like are somewhat "secret". They have an interpretation and meaning that's almost private between me and the artist; things the average guy just plain isn't going to get. That's one of the reasons I'm such a huge Marilyn Manson fan; I "get" his work in a way that I'm convinced most people can't or won't. To understand "Little Horn" from Antichrist Superstar, for example, you need to draw the parallel with the biblical book of Daniel (8:9-12, "And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, [...] and it cast down truth to the ground, and it wrought, and prospered.") -- but I don't think there are all that many biblical scholars listening to ACS. This is also reflected in my own work. When I use a sample, it's not always just "that will sound good here", it's often a deliberate juxtaposition of opposing concepts -- like the opening verse of Ice-T's "Colors" overlaid on the introduction to Lynyrd Skynyrd's "Sweet Home Alabama". There's also a definite intent to bring *surrounding* material to mind; the rhythm guitar from any well-known song, for example, carries some amount of that song's entire meaning with it. Adding the intro to Metallica's "Harvester of Sorrow" over a drum beat can make an otherwise silly sample significantly darker and more compelling... the phrase "Let me take you down, 'cos I'm going to" from the Beatles' "Strawberry Fields Forever" would sound light and happy in most mixes, but when placed in this context it becomes downright creepy. Especially when you follow it with the main rhythm from Alice in Chains' "Grind", which further includes the verse "I could set you free, rather hear the sound/of your body breaking as I take you down" -- even though that verse is not itself sampled. This three-way combination (conflagration?) turns a line normally associated with peace and love and nature into a thoroughly wicked little threat. So how do other people see this sort of thing? Do others use this kind of contextual mixing? Is the presence of obscure meaning in a song a bonus, or a liability? Is it even relevant? (Many electronic and loop-based musicians I've spoken to consider the "meaning" of a song unnecessary, a simple side-effect of throwing things together that sound good. I'm not going to start the "are lyrics important, or just another kind of noise you throw into the music" debate just yet; I've been blamed for starting flame wars with that too many times.) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 23:33:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24849; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:32:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:32:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:29:13 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Basic intro In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:19 PM -0700 8/13/01, Caliban Tiresias Darklock wrote: >The most interesting Tiresias reference I ever found was in Peter >Gabriel's "White Shadow" on his second solo album: > > No one knew if the spirit died; > All wrapped to go, like Kentucky Fried. > Trying to read the flight of birds -- > low on fuel, getting low on words. Divining omens from the flight of birds wasn't specific to Tiresias, though he probably served as a model for those who came later (according to some, Tiresias was a contemporary of Cadmus and therefore was late Bronze Age). Our own word "auspices" comes from the Latin "avem specere" = "to see the bird." -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 23:33:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24790; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:31:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:31:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003301c12471$0d78a7c0$47024d0c@fart> From: "klem klemmingberg" To: References: Subject: Sp-202 loop pop Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:27:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <9loJkC.A.DDG.auJe7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was slapping a loop into my SP-202, a repeating pattern from a synth. My problem was that regardless of how I set the length, I always got a pop. I sampled at different levels, through a compressor, etc., but still got the pop. I don't know if this is a common occurrence with the sp-202 (I've only had it a couple of weeks, & this is the first instance of this problem.) My suspicion is that it has to do with varying volume levels & frequency content at the start & end points (the synth patch has rises & falls, but is never free of a little noise.) I suspect the problem could easily be solved by a crossfade function, which the 202 does not appear to have. My questions are two: 1. Any one have any suggestions for disposing of the pop on the 202? 2. Are there any relatively inexpensive looping devices out there with a crossfade feature of some sort. thanks T om From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 23:48:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA25834; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:47:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:47:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010813234410.007e4850@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:44:10 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Basic intro In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:19 PM 8/13/01 -0700, Caliban wrote: >This is also reflected in my own work. ... like the opening verse of Ice-T's >"Colors" overlaid on the introduction to Lynyrd Skynyrd's "Sweet Home >Alabama". ... >So how do other people see this sort of thing? Do others use this kind >of contextual mixing? Is the presence of obscure meaning in a song a >bonus, or a liability? Not to open that whole "Are DJs *real* musicians" can o' worms again (which you can find in the archives if you're interested), but when you talk about lifting entire verses wholesale from other artists' music, to what extent can you really say it's your *own* work? Don't get me wrong, I'm not slamming the creative use of samples; artists like Negativland have done some really interesting things with the icons of pop culture, and Loop Guru, among many others, have used samples from all over the place to create a highly original imaginary travelogue. On the other hand, most of what I find creative about the use of sampled music comes from the way the artist puts an obscure sample into a new context that is not dependent on the sample's "former identity" or its connotations, or so completely mutates a familiar source that it's no longer recognisable, but assumes a new and compelling character of its own. If you stick the chorus of "Copacabana" on top of a Prodigy beat, it may be disturbing or funny or pathetic, and it'll probably be at least interesting but it's still, um, Barry Manilow's song. Juxtaposition of disparate elements is cool, but your example strikes me as a little blatant; I may be dating myself, but I've heard "Sweet Home Alabama" WAY too many times. It's not lost on me that that's your intent, to take a work that everyone knows if not likes and with which they have strong associations and to jar the listener's sensibilities by contrasting it with something that just doesn't fit, but it's not something I'd want to listen to very often. Remember "Stairway to Gilligan's Island"? If you'll check out the archives you may find a thread from, oh, a year and a half to two years ago (rough estimate) where the topic included discussions of just how long a sample may be before it crosses the line from creativity to theft (there's no *real* authoritative answer, but the opinions and legalistic views presented were interesting). You'll also find discussions of Plunderphonics, sampling ethics and a few other things germaine to the use of other people's music, but what you'll mostly find are threads concerned with real-time looping of musical instruments, usually (but not always) involving hardware loopers. Oh, and lots of threads about the hardware itself. (When's the Repeater coming out, anyway?) Please don't take my post as a personal attack. I've never heard your music and can't legitimately comment on it, but I got the impression from your intro that you'd enjoy having your opinions challenged! Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 23:57:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26255; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:54:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:54:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.114.43] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sp-202 loop pop Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 22:53:30 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2001 03:53:30.0531 (UTC) FILETIME=[AE7CDF30:01C12474] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

Yes.. I am a proud owner of the SP 202, but when I really want to do some LOOPING, I use my ZOOM SampleTrak 224. I just sample the waveform in my pc, clean it up, the upload to the Sampletrak. It's clean, and easy to use. It also reads .aif files also, and it's cheap. I paid $259.00 bucks for mine from the local Sam Ashe store. It does have a form of Crossfade, but I have not used that function.

It also has Beat Matching, MIDI in, a sequencer, effects and resampling function.




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----Original Message Follows----
From: "klem klemmingberg"
Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
To:
Subject: Sp-202 loop pop
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:27:15 -0400
I was slapping a loop into my SP-202, a repeating pattern from a synth.
My problem was that regardless of how I set the length, I always got
a pop. I sampled at different levels, through a compressor, etc.,
but still got the pop. I don't know if this is a common occurrence
with the sp-202 (I've only had it a couple of weeks, & this is the first
instance of this problem.)
My suspicion is that it has to do with varying volume levels & frequency
content at the start & end points (the synth patch has rises & falls, but
is never free of a little noise.) I suspect the problem could easily
be solved by a crossfade function, which the 202 does not appear to have.
My questions are two:
1. Any one have any suggestions for disposing of the pop on the 202?
2. Are there any relatively inexpensive looping devices out there with
a crossfade feature of some sort.
thanks
T om

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 23:58:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26373; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:56:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:56:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003101c12475$316ec0c0$da44f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200108140348.XAA25917@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #437 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:57:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Richard Zvonar wrote: "Divining omens from the flight of birds wasn't specific to Tiresias, though he probably served as a model for those who came later (according to some, Tiresias was a contemporary of Cadmus and therefore was late Bronze Age). Our own word "auspices" comes from the Latin "avem specere" = "to see the bird." Is there anything that you don't know, Richard? You blow me away and I say that without a trace of post modern irony and with a ton of respect............ Loop.pooL Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 23:59:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26382; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:56:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:56:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B78A135.7835DD9B@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:55:33 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sp-202 loop pop References: <003301c12471$0d78a7c0$47024d0c@fart> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeah, what your getting is a pop due to a sudden change in frequency because you've cut a waveform at a point where it isn't at "zero" This is called the zerocrossing point. You're probably better off sampling it into a computer and using a decent audio editor to either fix the loop in and out points, or do a very quick fade to nothing at the begining and end of the loop. Then, use a smart media reader/writer to put it on the Flash card that goes into the 202. I have the 303, but I imagine the 202 works pretty similarly. Another way of doing it is to use the fine loop length control to try and get at a point where the sound is at "zero" There should be specific instructions in your manual. Mark (sine@zerocrossing.net ha ha) klem klemmingberg wrote: > I was slapping a loop into my SP-202, a repeating pattern from a synth. > My problem was that regardless of how I set the length, I always got > a pop. I sampled at different levels, through a compressor, etc., > but still got the pop. I don't know if this is a common occurrence > with the sp-202 (I've only had it a couple of weeks, & this is the first > instance of this problem.) > My suspicion is that it has to do with varying volume levels & frequency > content at the start & end points (the synth patch has rises & falls, but > is never free of a little noise.) I suspect the problem could easily > be solved by a crossfade function, which the 202 does not appear to have. > My questions are two: > 1. Any one have any suggestions for disposing of the pop on the 202? > 2. Are there any relatively inexpensive looping devices out there with > a crossfade feature of some sort. > > thanks > T om From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 00:05:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28006; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 00:04:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 00:04:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Re: Basic intro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.6 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 00:07:32 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you can wax all day philosophical on manson or what have you but when it comes right down to it i think i am most interested in how something sounds and well manson sounds horrible and boring to my ears-which makes me none too interested in exploring his deep hidden messages as delivered to him on 'black leathery wings' -tis a tired horse that man beats- often times i find that the actual sounds of a 'song' say more to me than the 'well constructed' lyrical content- but hell this is just me- c On Mon, 13 Aug 2001 19:19:01 -0700 Caliban Tiresias Darklock wrote: > On Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:38:33 -0700, glenn > wrote: > > >that was great! Recognized lots of those themes but > they'd become somewhat > >nebulous over the years to say the least. Thanks for > that: Interesting > >stuff. > > (Dragging things back on topic...) > > The most interesting Tiresias reference I ever found was > in Peter > Gabriel's "White Shadow" on his second solo album: > > No one knew if the spirit died; > All wrapped to go, like Kentucky Fried. > Trying to read the flight of birds -- > low on fuel, getting low on words. > > When I thought about this, it occurred to me that a lot > of the songs I > really like are somewhat "secret". They have an > interpretation and > meaning that's almost private between me and the artist; > things the > average guy just plain isn't going to get. That's one of > the reasons I'm > such a huge Marilyn Manson fan; I "get" his work in a way > that I'm > convinced most people can't or won't. To understand > "Little Horn" from > Antichrist Superstar, for example, you need to draw the > parallel with > the biblical book of Daniel (8:9-12, "And out of one of > them came forth > a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, [...] and it > cast down truth > to the ground, and it wrought, and prospered.") -- but I > don't think > there are all that many biblical scholars listening to > ACS. > > This is also reflected in my own work. When I use a > sample, it's not > always just "that will sound good here", it's often a > deliberate > juxtaposition of opposing concepts -- like the opening > verse of Ice-T's > "Colors" overlaid on the introduction to Lynyrd Skynyrd's > "Sweet Home > Alabama". There's also a definite intent to bring > *surrounding* material > to mind; the rhythm guitar from any well-known song, for > example, > carries some amount of that song's entire meaning with > it. Adding the > intro to Metallica's "Harvester of Sorrow" over a drum > beat can make an > otherwise silly sample significantly darker and more > compelling... the > phrase "Let me take you down, 'cos I'm going to" from the > Beatles' > "Strawberry Fields Forever" would sound light and happy > in most mixes, > but when placed in this context it becomes downright > creepy. Especially > when you follow it with the main rhythm from Alice in > Chains' "Grind", > which further includes the verse "I could set you free, > rather hear the > sound/of your body breaking as I take you down" -- even > though that > verse is not itself sampled. This three-way combination > (conflagration?) > turns a line normally associated with peace and love and > nature into a > thoroughly wicked little threat. > > So how do other people see this sort of thing? Do others > use this kind > of contextual mixing? Is the presence of obscure meaning > in a song a > bonus, or a liability? Is it even relevant? (Many > electronic and > loop-based musicians I've spoken to consider the > "meaning" of a song > unnecessary, a simple side-effect of throwing things > together that sound > good. I'm not going to start the "are lyrics important, > or just another > kind of noise you throw into the music" debate just yet; > I've been > blamed for starting flame wars with that too many times.) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 00:08:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28252; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 00:06:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 00:06:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: OT- 5.1 or DTS recording Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 21:06:07 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <897EEFCFE1DDD211B1F200105AF236E7CA1565@ThisAddressDoesNotExist> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Resent-Message-ID: <7hAbQ.A.L5G.wOKe7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i, too, would be interested in hearing from anyone who is making their own dts recordings. i am currently setting up such a system and anticipate being operational in 3-4 weeks. i can refer other beginners to the electronic musician magazine website; do a search there under 'dts' or 'surround sound' and read the articles they provide. there's some good stuff there. kevin > hiya all, > off topic I know but hey that never seems to be an issue here .... > In this vast array of musicians has anyone recorded in DTS audio > yet ? A few > weeks ago there was a thread discussing 'octophonic' recording where 5.1 > digital surround was discussed but no mention of DTS. I am a film fanatic > (when I'm not playing guitar) and enjoy a pretty good home cinema setup. I > have DTS decoders and until last week though this was fantastic for > films.... then I found a DTS audio disk of The Police. Now I like > the Police > ... not a huge fan but it's easy listening compared to what I > would usually > listen to... BUT OMG it is fantastic .... the clarity of sound and > separation of instruments is awesome. Think of your favourite all > time music > track ... well, you know how the hairs on the back of your neck stand up > when you hear it ? It had that effect on me immediately and > continually ever > since. If you have not yet experienced this I urge you to visit your local > Home Cinema specialist and ask for a demo of a DTS audio > recording - it will > cost you nothing and I guarantee you will be impressed. > Since then I have done a little research in this area as I would > like to produce some of my recordings in DTS format. I have found some > software which will take six digital audio tracks (Left front, left right, > centre, rear left, rear right and sub-bass) and produces a DTS disk image > which when recorded to CDR media can be inserted into a DVD player and so > long as a DTS decoder is present in the setup you will hear it in full > 'certified' DTS. (The process for techies is called DTS encoding) I know > this will take a time to prepare the digital audio tracks > initially but the > software I have seen is relatively cheap (it's called SurCode CD > Professional software encoder for DTS Digital Surround) at $499 > Url for anyone else interested is: > http://www.minnetonkaaudio.com/SurCode_CD_Pro_3.htm > Does anyone out there already use this ? If so how about a quick > review from > your perspective ? > I would also be interested in any info anyone has on recordings of this > nature. > Many thanks > Love this list ... I find daily gems of information here > Glyn 'my company has the longest disclaimer in the world ever...' Merga From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 00:20:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28854; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 00:19:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 00:19:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.114.43] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sp-202 loop pop Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:18:39 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2001 04:18:39.0823 (UTC) FILETIME=[32188DF0:01C12478] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

I beg to differ my friend. The SP303 is a far better machine, than the SP 202. The SP 202 uses the Smartmedia card for RAM purposes. Storage and backup only, the sounds can not be loaded to the card for edit.




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----Original Message Follows----
From: Mark
Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Sp-202 loop pop
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:55:33 -0700
yeah, what your getting is a pop due to a sudden change in frequency because
you've cut a waveform at a point where it isn't at "zero" This is called the
zerocrossing point. You're probably better off sampling it into a computer
and using a decent audio editor to either fix the loop in and out points, or
do a very quick fade to nothing at the begining and end of the loop. Then,
use a smart media reader/writer to put it on the Flash card that goes into
the 202. I have the 303, but I imagine the 202 works pretty similarly.
Another way of doing it is to use the fine loop length control to try and get
at a point where the sound is at "zero" There should be specific
instructions in your manual.
Mark
(sine@zerocrossing.net ha ha)
klem klemmingberg wrote:
> I was slapping a loop into my SP-202, a repeating pattern from a synth.
> My problem was that regardless of how I set the length, I always got
> a pop. I sampled at different levels, through a compressor, etc.,
> but still got the pop. I don't know if this is a common occurrence
> with the sp-202 (I've only had it a couple of weeks, & this is the first
> instance of this problem.)
> My suspicion is that it has to do with varying volume levels & frequency
> content at the start & end points (the synth patch has rises & falls, but
> is never free of a little noise.) I suspect the problem could easily
> be solved by a crossfade function, which the 202 does not appear to have.
> My questions are two:
> 1. Any one have any suggestions for disposing of the pop on the 202?
> 2. Are there any relatively inexpensive looping devices out there with
> a crossfade feature of some sort.
>
> thanks
> T om

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 01:11:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA01934; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 01:10:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 01:10:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010813231010.0080b220@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:10:10 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #437 In-Reply-To: <003101c12475$316ec0c0$da44f93f@dnlsh01> References: <200108140348.XAA25917@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick, I was just thinking the same damn thing! lol! Richard, this simple post was one that I really enjoyed reading! Thank you. I find linguistics and it's relationship to historical figures and myth to be fascinating. Smiles, G-Girl At 08:57 PM 8/13/01 -0700, you wrote: >Richard Zvonar wrote: > >"Divining omens from the flight of birds wasn't specific to Tiresias, >though he probably served as a model for those who came later >(according to some, Tiresias was a contemporary of Cadmus and >therefore was late Bronze Age). Our own word "auspices" comes from >the Latin "avem specere" = "to see the bird." > > >Is there anything that you don't know, Richard? > > You blow me away and I say that without a trace of post modern irony and >with a ton of respect............ Loop.pooL Rick > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 01:17:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA03008; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 01:15:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 01:15:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c1247f$844140c0$a3004d0c@fart> From: "klem klemmingberg" To: References: <003301c12471$0d78a7c0$47024d0c@fart> <3B78A135.7835DD9B@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Sp-202 loop pop Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 01:10:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This post gave me the clever idea to ride the record level on the 202 while I was recording my loop (to do a fade in/fade out kind of thing), but I found out you can't change the record level during the actual recording. My next brightest idea was to ride the level on my synth's vca, but I haven't got the coordination tonight to make everything work smoothly together. Maybe tomorrow. T om ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark" To: Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 11:55 PM Subject: Re: Sp-202 loop pop > yeah, what your getting is a pop due to a sudden change in frequency because > you've cut a waveform at a point where it isn't at "zero" This is called the > zerocrossing point. You're probably better off sampling it into a computer > and using a decent audio editor to either fix the loop in and out points, or > do a very quick fade to nothing at the begining and end of the loop. Then, > use a smart media reader/writer to put it on the Flash card that goes into > the 202. I have the 303, but I imagine the 202 works pretty similarly. > > Another way of doing it is to use the fine loop length control to try and get > at a point where the sound is at "zero" There should be specific > instructions in your manual. > > Mark > (sine@zerocrossing.net ha ha) > > > klem klemmingberg wrote: > > > I was slapping a loop into my SP-202, a repeating pattern from a synth. > > My problem was that regardless of how I set the length, I always got > > a pop. I sampled at different levels, through a compressor, etc., > > but still got the pop. I don't know if this is a common occurrence > > with the sp-202 (I've only had it a couple of weeks, & this is the first > > instance of this problem.) > > My suspicion is that it has to do with varying volume levels & frequency > > content at the start & end points (the synth patch has rises & falls, but > > is never free of a little noise.) I suspect the problem could easily > > be solved by a crossfade function, which the 202 does not appear to have. > > My questions are two: > > 1. Any one have any suggestions for disposing of the pop on the 202? > > 2. Are there any relatively inexpensive looping devices out there with > > a crossfade feature of some sort. > > > > thanks > > T om > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 01:19:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA03593; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 01:18:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 01:18:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B78B45B.5A51DD24@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 22:17:15 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: more music more music more music References: <200108140348.XAA25917@hemlock.violacea.com> <3.0.5.32.20010813231010.0080b220@mail.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4nyj-B.A.O3.SSLe7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Kids, I put up another tune on my site: http://www.zerocrossing.net/songs/catalog_of_conquests.mp3 It's a 128 kbs file, but if you'd like it smaller you can find it at http://www.live365.com/stations/279687 enjoy! Mark Sottilaro http://www.zerocrossing.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 01:33:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA06407; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 01:32:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 01:32:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 22:27:28 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #437 In-reply-to: <003101c12475$316ec0c0$da44f93f@dnlsh01> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200108140348.XAA25917@hemlock.violacea.com> <003101c12475$316ec0c0$da44f93f@dnlsh01> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:57 PM -0700 8/13/01, Rick Walker (loop.pool) wrote: >Is there anything that you don't know, Richard? I don't know anything about sports, I don't know the names of any of the members of *NSYNC, and I've been trying to figure out since 1964 what "diddy wah diddy" means. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 01:33:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA06421; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 01:32:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 01:32:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 22:28:41 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #437 In-reply-to: <3.0.5.32.20010813231010.0080b220@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200108140348.XAA25917@hemlock.violacea.com> <3.0.5.32.20010813231010.0080b220@mail.earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:10 PM -0600 8/13/01, Goddess wrote: >I find linguistics and it's relationship to historical figures and >myth to be fascinating. Etymology is one of my favorite hobbies. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 01:53:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA10360; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 01:52:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 01:52:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:19:32 -0700 From: glenn Subject: Re: Basic intro In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I too feel fortunate to be in the company of such learned folk as "Caliban" and Richard. Without disputing what i feel are complimentary rather than adversarial comments on Tiresius, etc, FWIW as far as relevance, given Peter's use of Tiresius in Cinema Show-1973, and subsequent allusion to it in "White Shadow"1978 it is somewhere between possible and probably that's whom he had in mind with the lyric, although i don't speak under the auspices of anyone other than myself on this:) http://userpages.umbc.edu/~dkelly2/73selling.html#cinemashow http://www.progsoc.uts.edu.au/~aychiang/pg/pg2.html#5 P.s. for anyone who was ever interested in this stuff Steve Hackett's wife/spouse has illustrated a book of genesis lyrics, she's quite good at it if you'd like a look at her work: http://www.kimpoor.com/genlyric.htm on which the very first picture includes the flight of birds. That was kind of a loop:) on 8/13/01 8:29 PM, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote: > At 7:19 PM -0700 8/13/01, Caliban Tiresias Darklock wrote: > >> The most interesting Tiresias reference I ever found was in Peter >> Gabriel's "White Shadow" on his second solo album: >> >> No one knew if the spirit died; >> All wrapped to go, like Kentucky Fried. >> Trying to read the flight of birds -- >> low on fuel, getting low on words. > > Divining omens from the flight of birds wasn't specific to Tiresias, > though he probably served as a model for those who came later > (according to some, Tiresias was a contemporary of Cadmus and > therefore was late Bronze Age). Our own word "auspices" comes from > the Latin "avem specere" = "to see the bird." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 01:58:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA11312; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 01:57:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 01:57:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: more music more music more music Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 22:57:09 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3B78B45B.5A51DD24@zerocrossing.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com very nice, mark. really enjoyed that one. kevin > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 10:17 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: more music more music more music > > > Hey Kids, > > I put up another tune on my site: > > http://www.zerocrossing.net/songs/catalog_of_conquests.mp3 > > It's a 128 kbs file, but if you'd like it smaller you can find it at > > http://www.live365.com/stations/279687 > > enjoy! > > Mark Sottilaro > http://www.zerocrossing.net > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 03:22:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA21571; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 03:20:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 03:20:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Basic intro Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 00:23:32 -0700 Organization: Darklock Communications Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 00:07:32 -0400, "Christopher White" wrote: > often times i find that the actual sounds of a 'song' say >more to me than the 'well constructed' lyrical content- I can't quite tell what you're saying here. Were you just saying "Manson sucks", or was there something else you were getting at? I think we can all pretty much agree that great lyrics and bad music generally make a bad song. The question I'm more interested in is what we have with bad lyrics and great music. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 03:22:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA21632; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 03:21:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 03:21:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #437 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 00:24:45 -0700 Organization: Darklock Communications Message-ID: <4hkhntklgllfg49ggqqnkg73pc14f38rud@4ax.com> References: <200108140348.XAA25917@hemlock.violacea.com> <3.0.5.32.20010813231010.0080b220@mail.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 13 Aug 2001 22:28:41 -0700, Richard Zvonar wrote: >At 11:10 PM -0600 8/13/01, Goddess wrote: > >>I find linguistics and it's relationship to historical figures and >>myth to be fascinating. > >Etymology is one of my favorite hobbies. Wait a minute. What did that thread have to do with bugs? ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 03:26:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA21924; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 03:25:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 03:25:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #437 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 00:27:59 -0700 Organization: Darklock Communications Message-ID: <8ikhnt0on0bokmm5urjlltleeq8vqg2223@4ax.com> References: <200108140348.XAA25917@hemlock.violacea.com> <003101c12475$316ec0c0$da44f93f@dnlsh01> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 13 Aug 2001 22:27:28 -0700, Richard Zvonar wrote: >I don't know the names of any of the members of *NSYNC That reminds me of a fun little game I occasionally play with my friends... How many bands can you think of that you really like, but from which you cannot name *any* of the members? We're always just shocked at how many bands we've listened to for years, considering ourselves great fans, and can still put on that list. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 04:02:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA24484; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 04:01:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 04:01:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 00:53:57 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #437 In-reply-to: <8ikhnt0on0bokmm5urjlltleeq8vqg2223@4ax.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200108140348.XAA25917@hemlock.violacea.com> <003101c12475$316ec0c0$da44f93f@dnlsh01> <8ikhnt0on0bokmm5urjlltleeq8vqg2223@4ax.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:27 AM -0700 8/14/01, Caliban Tiresias Darklock wrote: >That reminds me of a fun little game I occasionally play with my >friends... > > How many bands can you think of that you really like, but from which > you cannot name *any* of the members? Back when I was a yout' I knew most of the lineups. In those days (1965-73) my entire life revolved around rock music, so I knew the "stats." Today my listening to "band" music is more casual, so I may know the lineup for REM (not difficult with only three) but can't even name one member of Radio Head. However, most of the music I really focus on is created by single individuals or by very small groups, and mostly these are people I know personally. That makes it pretty simple. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 04:02:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA24426; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 04:01:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 04:01:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 00:54:41 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #437 In-reply-to: <4hkhntklgllfg49ggqqnkg73pc14f38rud@4ax.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200108140348.XAA25917@hemlock.violacea.com> <3.0.5.32.20010813231010.0080b220@mail.earthlink.net> <4hkhntklgllfg49ggqqnkg73pc14f38rud@4ax.com> Resent-Message-ID: <6R-6v.A.T9F.GrNe7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:24 AM -0700 8/14/01, Caliban Tiresias Darklock wrote: >Wait a minute. What did that thread have to do with bugs? Funnily enough I've been collecting cricket sounds for my current piece. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 04:09:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA24932; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 04:07:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 04:07:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004a01c12498$b578b420$6401a8c0@ls317> Reply-To: "diatom drone" From: "diatom drone" To: References: <200108140348.XAA25917@hemlock.violacea.com><3.0.5.32.20010813231010.0080b220@mail.earthlink.net><4hkhntklgllfg49ggqqnkg73pc14f38rud@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #437 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 04:11:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <_UsRn.A.KFG.dwNe7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com don't forget cicadas. cicadas rock out. Jon > > >Wait a minute. What did that thread have to do with bugs? > > Funnily enough I've been collecting cricket sounds for my current piece. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 04:10:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA25150; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 04:09:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 04:09:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <26.19bde540.28aa367f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 04:08:31 EDT Subject: Re:Vortex EDP Sync To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > On another note, a few months back there were several posts regarding > synching a vortex using the brother synch from an EDP. I've looked in the > archives, but just can't seem to find them. Does anyone have them handy? You may have to work on the formatting, but here it is ------------------- >Matthias Grob wrote: > >> Make a cable with any diode in series and a 2 MF cap to ground: >> >> | | >> | /| > > - | / | + > EDP ----------|/ |--------------------- VORTEX >> |\ | | >> | \ | | >> | \| | + >> | | ------- >> ----------- >> | > > | - > > | >> | / >> |/ >> / >> / >> >> The parts fit into an ordinary 1/4" connector. > >sorry Mathias no problem: MiliFarad is not used, and would be m, so MF is microFarad. To fit into the connector, it take its an electrolytic. Thats why (by some standard) one line is longer than the other - the negative pole, going to ground. Its voltage can be as low as 6,3V, but higher is ok, just makes the part bigger. There are also Tantal caps of this size. I dont use them because I made the experience that they die sooner, but I may be wrong, its an interesting option since you may not use that cable more than 5 years :-). The diode is a standard like 1N4148 and on one side of its glass housing there is a line which corresponds to the negative side, the line in its symbol, on the left in the drawing. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 04:10:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA25151; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 04:09:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 04:09:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B78D3EA.41464EF8@superorg.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 08:32:01 +0100 From: Mick Ritchie Reply-To: Mick@superorg.demon.co.uk Organization: The Supernatural Organisation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Luigi Meloni Subject: Re: R: Audio routing References: <005e01c12424$96844d00$6501a8c0@stevespc> <007501c12425$c403ae50$6b44230a@melon> <000f01c1242b$bad68860$0101a8c0@invisible> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com HI Luigi have a look on http://www.l-m-c.org.uk Luigi Meloni wrote:P.S. I'm going to London in a week or two. Anyone knows of some good there is an online calender for london gigs - some loopy and some inprov. 26/8 Baggage reclaim at the 12 Bar should be good and 31/8 at Field:61 we also did a webcast from our studio lmcsound last sunday with lots of avant loopers - archive going online later this week when weve chopped it into individual performances all the best mick ritchie lmcsound From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 04:11:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA25081; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 04:09:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 04:09:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Basic intro Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 01:11:58 -0700 Organization: Darklock Communications Message-ID: References: <3.0.5.32.20010813234410.007e4850@pop.ici.net> In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010813234410.007e4850@pop.ici.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:44:10 -0400, Tim Nelson wrote: >Not to open that whole "Are DJs *real* musicians" can o' worms again (which >you can find in the archives if you're interested), Gee, no thanks. I've had that argument FAR too many times. ;) >but when you talk about >lifting entire verses wholesale from other artists' music, to what extent >can you really say it's your *own* work? My opinion? To the extent that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. I'll go into more detail on that later. >On the other hand, most of what I find creative about the use of sampled >music comes from the way the artist puts an obscure sample into a new >context that is not dependent on the sample's "former identity" or its >connotations, or so completely mutates a familiar source that it's no >longer recognisable, but assumes a new and compelling character of its own. Can't context do the same thing? If I were to take a few samples of Darth Vader from "Star Wars" and add some samples from Beavis and Butt-head, I could construct a positively hilarious conversation with the two morons taunting Vader and generally pissing him off. (That's actually a pretty cool idea. Maybe I'll go do that later. I have this mental image of Butt-head trying to convince Vader to pull his finger.) The same conversation wouldn't be anywhere near as effective if you couldn't picture it in your head and "see" just how ridiculous it is, so just saying the words wouldn't be an effective substitute. >If you stick the chorus of "Copacabana" on top of a Prodigy beat, it may be >disturbing or funny or pathetic, and it'll probably be at least interesting >but it's still, um, Barry Manilow's song. Yeah, if it still means the same thing. But when it starts to mean SOMETHING ELSE, that much of it is original. >Juxtaposition of disparate elements is cool, but your example strikes me as >a little blatant; I may be dating myself, but I've heard "Sweet Home >Alabama" WAY too many times. If you'd lived in the inner city when "Colors" was released, you would have heard *that* WAY too many times, too. ;) >It's not lost on me that that's your intent, >to take a work that everyone knows if not likes and with which they have >strong associations and to jar the listener's sensibilities by contrasting >it with something that just doesn't fit, but it's not something I'd want to >listen to very often. It's not just about "jarring the listener's sensibilities", which is what bands like Nine Inch Nails are often about. (Trent Reznor has often been quoted to the effect that he wants his music to hurt the audience.) It's about *manipulating* the listener's sensibilities. Anyone can smack the listener in the face; just yell BANANAS really loud into a microphone and stick it into the mix in the middle of a verse so you can't hear the singer -- your entire audience will go "what the hell was that?!", guaranteed. But they're not exactly likely to hail you as a musical genius for it. Ice-T over Lynyrd Skynyrd is much more than just rap with guitar. It's urban with rural, black with white, rebellion with loyalty, two different flavors of anger over two different flavors of politics. The south will rise again, the blacks will rise again. Two opposing sides laying their battle lines. That's when I bring in Ice Cube's "Enemy" with the verse that ends "bust a clock, bust a Glock, devils get shot" and top that off with a sampled gunshot and a background sample from Metallica's "For Whom the Bell Tolls". Then I play Beavis and Butt-head laughing while the Wicked Witch of the West from "The Wizard of Oz" screams about melting, and switch to the bassline from the Bee Gees' "Stayin' Alive" with James Brown's "Funky Drummer" underneath it to back up a clip from Marilyn Manson's "Rock and Roll Nigger". If all you get out of that is "these things don't fit", fine; maybe you'll just like the noise. Hey, it's gangster rappers and heavy metal and classic funk and southern rock and a cartoon and a family movie, wow, that's a lot of weird stuff. This guy's messed up. I like messed up people, what else has he done? But if you begin to get the image of a race war in your head, *now* you're starting to get it. This isn't just a random collection of crap I had on my hard drive, it's a statement. And that statement is not what these samples originally said; with the exception of the Ice Cube sample, none of them had anything whatsoever to do with racism. And that's where I draw my line on creativity: does the new recording say something the original recordings didn't? The answer here is clearly "yes". Now, whether that makes it "art" is something we could argue about for months. Whether it's a viable strategy on which to found an entire musical career is another long argument. But as a tool in the toolbox, I think it's certainly something worth carrying around. > Remember "Stairway to Gilligan's Island"? No, but I remember "House of Amazing Grace". Once upon a time, I was in a punk/metal band called NME in Virginia. We would play "House of the Rising Sun" and sing "Amazing Grace" to that tune. I suspect you're mentioning something similar. Oddly enough, we also did one kick-ass heavy metal cover of "Copacabana"... get some growl in the voice and some chunk in the guitar, it sounds pretty damn cool. We tried to do a similar version of "Magic", but the chorus just plain didn't work. Then we graduated high school, went off in all directions, and never saw each other again. >If you'll check out the archives you may find a thread from, oh, a year and >a half to two years ago (rough estimate) where the topic included >discussions of just how long a sample may be before it crosses the line >from creativity to theft (there's no *real* authoritative answer, but the >opinions and legalistic views presented were interesting). Man, how many times have I been *there*? My take: it doesn't matter how long the sample is. It matters what you DID with it. If you didn't do anything, it's theft. If you did something interesting and unusual, it's creative. Then you get into what exactly the definition of "interesting and unusual" is, to which there's also no real authoritative answer -- but at least it's become obvious that there's no such answer. ;) >Please don't take my post as a personal attack. I've never heard your music >and can't legitimately comment on it, but I got the impression from your >intro that you'd enjoy having your opinions challenged! Oh, yeah, I *love* to stir up trouble. It's one of my favorite pastimes. :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 04:12:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA25443; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 04:11:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 04:11:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 01:06:02 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Basic intro In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:19 PM -0700 8/13/01, Caliban Tiresias Darklock wrote: >So how do other people see this sort of thing? Do others use this kind >of contextual mixing? Is the presence of obscure meaning in a song a >bonus, or a liability? Is it even relevant? (Many electronic and >loop-based musicians I've spoken to consider the "meaning" of a song >unnecessary, a simple side-effect of throwing things together that sound >good. I'm not going to start the "are lyrics important, or just another >kind of noise you throw into the music" debate just yet; I've been >blamed for starting flame wars with that too many times.) That's pretty much what I've done in my intermedia performance works - basic collage techniques. I haven't used pop music so much, but it's essentially the same set of principals: metaphor, metonymy, recontextualization, deconstruction, etc. I generally draw inspiration from 20th century modernist art movements (Futurism, Dada, Constructivism in the visual and performing arts and Joyce in particular in literature). It can get pretty convoluted and arcane, with a lot of private reference, but when I hear that someone "got it" I feel a particular satisfaction. Of course, most people don't "get it," which is why I'm not rich. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 04:33:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA26344; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 04:32:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 04:32:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: partagas.dragonet.es: 193-153-189-230.uc.nombres.ttd.es [193.153.189.230] didn't use HELO protocol Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010814104151.0091d100@mail.dragonet.es> X-Sender: d3055@mail.dragonet.es X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:41:51 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Junkie G Subject: Re: R: Audio routing In-Reply-To: <002101c12431$be486ee0$7887abd4@LucaFormentini> References: <006e01c1242a$93582ba0$6501a8c0@stevespc> <008101c1242c$d58070d0$6b44230a@melon> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <49szGC.A.PbG.4HOe7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:54 p.m. 13/08/01 +0200, you wrote: hi there! the roland vm3100 could be another option ... >i am waiting to see Event Ez Bus out. on the paper it could have great >routing controls, scenes memories and it can turn itself into a >midicontroller (the mixer sliders become cont.controllers faders) >have fun, >luca Tapeadores http://www.dragonet.es/users/d3055/tap "cheers from catalonia, which language, people and culture have been harassed by centralists in spain through the years" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 04:36:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA26512; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 04:35:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 04:35:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 01:34:18 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #437 In-reply-to: <004a01c12498$b578b420$6401a8c0@ls317> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: diatom drone , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200108140348.XAA25917@hemlock.violacea.com> <3.0.5.32.20010813231010.0080b220@mail.earthlink.net> <4hkhntklgllfg49ggqqnkg73pc14f38rud@4ax.com> <004a01c12498$b578b420$6401a8c0@ls317> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:11 AM -0400 8/14/01, diatom drone wrote: >don't forget cicadas. cicadas rock out. They do. I've used them in other pieces, but this present project is pretty specific. All the sounds are either crickets or frogs (well...a few toads, too). The piece was conceived out of a debate I had with Larry Austin about whether certain sounds in John Cage's "Williams Mix" were crickets or frogs. Larry insisted they were crickets, citing Earle Brown (who ought to know because he and Cage spliced all the tapes). I insisted they were frogs. I even asked Bebe Barron (who did made some of the original dubs back in 1951-52) and Earle himself. They both said "crickets" but I trust my ears. So I'm making this 8-channel tape piece out of cricket and frog sounds, to be played on the same program as Larry Austin's Williams [re]Mix[ed]. P.S. I listened again, closely, to Williams Mix. It has both crickets and frogs, but the frogs are louder. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 04:46:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA30800; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 04:45:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 04:45:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ad01c1249d$6b322b80$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: RIAA-sponsored Legislation - an update Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:45:05 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Resent-Message-ID: <1waGUD.A.DhH.TUOe7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In answer to requests I've revised the page concerning the legislation at http://www.earthlight.net/Thoughts002.html to have a preface summarizing the effects of the pending law. Please let me know if there's anything else I might provide. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.live365.com/stations/218194 * EarthLight Online / Live! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 04:50:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA31242; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 04:49:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 04:49:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00bd01c1249d$fd6f9be0$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20010813234410.007e4850@pop.ici.net> Subject: Re: Basic intro Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:49:09 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you want a fair imitation of Darth Vader just let me know...! "Finger... you want me to - pull your FINGER..." in the same tone as "...SISter... you have a SISter..." Hehehehe... Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.live365.com/stations/218194 * EarthLight Online / Live! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 05:57:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA03481; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 05:56:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 05:56:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005301c124a7$a571edd0$09da22cb@audiomarsupial> From: "drew" To: References: <200108140350.XAA26008@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: unsubscribe Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 17:58:17 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 11:50 AM Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #437 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 06:13:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA07417; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 06:12:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 06:12:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003d01c124a9$b60a8420$0743f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200108140722.DAA21772@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: OT: what doesn't Richard Zvonar know...............you be the judge Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 03:13:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Richard Zvonar wrote: "I don't know anything about sports, I don't know the names of any of the members of *NSYNC, and I've been trying to figure out since 1964 what "diddy wah diddy" means." Rick replies: "Justin"...........Richard.........the lead singer of NSYNC. "Barry Bonds" is threatening the home run record set by Mark McGwire three years ago and "Diddy Wah Diddy"........that is one of life's mysteries that only god (if she exists) knows for sure.............. You are doing quite well by yourself, my friend, and with my sports and bad, boy band trivia knowledge as a backup you can lay claim to being the true rennaisance man...........;-) warmly, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 10:36:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22030; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:34:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:34:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: what doesn't Richard Zvonar know...............you be the judge Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 07:36:43 -0700 Organization: Darklock Communications Message-ID: References: <200108140722.DAA21772@hemlock.violacea.com> <003d01c124a9$b60a8420$0743f93f@dnlsh01> In-Reply-To: <003d01c124a9$b60a8420$0743f93f@dnlsh01> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5UraU.A.VXF.taTe7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 03:13:05 -0700, "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" wrote: >You are doing quite well by yourself, my friend, and with my sports and bad, >boy band trivia knowledge as a backup you can lay claim to being the true >rennaisance man...........;-) Sounds like Richard holds the same position here that I've been holding in the Tony Hawk's Pro Skater forum on Delphi for the past couple years. Hmmmmm. I don't know if I can have that. There may be a good-natured competition somewhere in our future. On the other hand, I suppose as a PhD Richard could be expected to have somewhat more knowledge than a lowly AAS... nahh, there's nothing to that. Besides, I'm probably much cooler. ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 10:39:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22386; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:38:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:38:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008101c124ce$30241ae0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <200108140348.XAA25917@hemlock.violacea.com> <3.0.5.32.20010813231010.0080b220@mail.earthlink.net> <4hkhntklgllfg49ggqqnkg73pc14f38rud@4ax.com> <004a01c12498$b578b420$6401a8c0@ls317> Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #437 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:34:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > So I'm making this 8-channel tape piece out of cricket and frog > sounds, to be played on the same program as Larry Austin's Williams > [re]Mix[ed]. Hey, Richard, need any more frog sounds? I've got a minidisc recording I made a couple of years back while camped beside "Frog Pond" (my name) in the Deam National Wilderness Area. Quiet background; lots o' froggies! Let me know... Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 11:56:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27023; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:54:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:54:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.203.84.227] From: "JH" To: References: <200108140348.XAA25917@hemlock.violacea.com> <3.0.5.32.20010813231010.0080b220@mail.earthlink.net> <4hkhntklgllfg49ggqqnkg73pc14f38rud@4ax.com> <004a01c12498$b578b420$6401a8c0@ls317> <008101c124ce$30241ae0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #437 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:52:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2001 15:53:08.0037 (UTC) FILETIME=[36496F50:01C124D9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hey, Richard, need any more frog sounds? I do! In fact I'm interested in swapping samples with anyone via email/ftp. (i don;t actually have an ftp site but that pre-www protocol is emminently useful if anyone does have) Most of what I can provide is a rather mixed bag of noise/industrial stuff and other bits and bobs, including percussion. Not terribly attractive if you like pretty, hi-fi sounds Web-shite for the curious is www.cosmicsounds.co.uk I'm interested in field recordings, and improvised-instrumentation (saxophone,percussion, voice etc etc) which is different than the psychedelic grind/mulch and bass/guitar I can provide myself. All, on the 'tape music' book front, I still havn't found it yet. Jamie > I've got a minidisc recording I made a couple of years back while camped > beside "Frog Pond" (my name) in the Deam National Wilderness Area. Quiet > background; lots o' froggies! > > Let me know... > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 11:56:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27045; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:54:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:54:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Andy Ewen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Basic intro Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:50:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loved your 'Jesus' piece, just used it to test a PA system that I sold to a guy. Had it on repeat for a couple of hours; drove everyone here crazy but put the bass speakers through their paces :-) Andy @ TraceElliot. > -----Original Message----- > From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock [mailto:caliban@darklock.com]> > That whole FTP directory is full of stuff I've done. Most of it sucks > infected monkey balls. I didn't know it at the time, because I was > stupid. It's only up there for hysterical raisins these days. > I have to > this day never made anything that I actually thought was good. (I've > made things I *like*, but I wouldn't call them *good*.) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 12:27:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30681; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:26:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:26:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B7950D6.6CEDC002@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:24:54 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Basic intro References: <3.0.5.32.20010813234410.007e4850@pop.ici.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmmm this thread is getting interesting. My take on it is that most musicians (like myself) feel that they spend years and years learning and mastering an instrument, only to have someone who bought "two turntables and a microphone" come along and "steal" their hard work. But let's face it, if your obscure, chances are it's probably not happening, and if you're big, your record company's lawyers are taking them to court, ala U2 and Negitiveland. The fact of the matter is that good creative sound collage (which I feel is a better term than "DJ" to describe what these people do) is very hard and takes a lot of practice too. I watched a roommate try and scratch and mix stuff, and he SUCKED. Having seen DJ Spooky, I can attest to the fact that this is a skill for sure. Now, if you're little(or big), and someone big, DJ or not, uses your music on a record, I feel you're entitled to a pretty big chunk of the sales. End of argument. I don't care if you changed the context. Big deal. If you steal a Metalica CD and play it in church, you still broke the law and should send Lars some cash. When you sample someone and use it in a performance in a club, the artist IS getting paid for that. Clubs pay fees to music organizations. I was amazed to find out that this little Vegetarian cafe (yo yo Aceto boys have a Avocado Omelet at the ABC and think of me!) I used to play in was paying hundreds of dollars a year because they had live music a few times a week, and played cds and the radio for their customers. BTW, I saw Negitiveland at the San Francisco Palace of Fine Art and it was one of the best shows I've ever seen. Mark Caliban Tiresias Darklock wrote: > On Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:44:10 -0400, Tim Nelson wrote: > > >Not to open that whole "Are DJs *real* musicians" can o' worms again (which > >you can find in the archives if you're interested), > > Gee, no thanks. I've had that argument FAR too many times. ;) > > >but when you talk about > >lifting entire verses wholesale from other artists' music, to what extent > >can you really say it's your *own* work? > > My opinion? To the extent that the whole is greater than the sum of its > parts. I'll go into more detail on that later. > > >On the other hand, most of what I find creative about the use of sampled > >music comes from the way the artist puts an obscure sample into a new > >context that is not dependent on the sample's "former identity" or its > >connotations, or so completely mutates a familiar source that it's no > >longer recognisable, but assumes a new and compelling character of its own. > > Can't context do the same thing? If I were to take a few samples of > Darth Vader from "Star Wars" and add some samples from Beavis and > Butt-head, I could construct a positively hilarious conversation with > the two morons taunting Vader and generally pissing him off. (That's > actually a pretty cool idea. Maybe I'll go do that later. I have this > mental image of Butt-head trying to convince Vader to pull his finger.) > The same conversation wouldn't be anywhere near as effective if you > couldn't picture it in your head and "see" just how ridiculous it is, so > just saying the words wouldn't be an effective substitute. > > >If you stick the chorus of "Copacabana" on top of a Prodigy beat, it may be > >disturbing or funny or pathetic, and it'll probably be at least interesting > >but it's still, um, Barry Manilow's song. > > Yeah, if it still means the same thing. But when it starts to mean > SOMETHING ELSE, that much of it is original. > > >Juxtaposition of disparate elements is cool, but your example strikes me as > >a little blatant; I may be dating myself, but I've heard "Sweet Home > >Alabama" WAY too many times. > > If you'd lived in the inner city when "Colors" was released, you would > have heard *that* WAY too many times, too. ;) > > >It's not lost on me that that's your intent, > >to take a work that everyone knows if not likes and with which they have > >strong associations and to jar the listener's sensibilities by contrasting > >it with something that just doesn't fit, but it's not something I'd want to > >listen to very often. > > It's not just about "jarring the listener's sensibilities", which is > what bands like Nine Inch Nails are often about. (Trent Reznor has often > been quoted to the effect that he wants his music to hurt the audience.) > It's about *manipulating* the listener's sensibilities. Anyone can smack > the listener in the face; just yell BANANAS really loud into a > microphone and stick it into the mix in the middle of a verse so you > can't hear the singer -- your entire audience will go "what the hell was > that?!", guaranteed. But they're not exactly likely to hail you as a > musical genius for it. > > Ice-T over Lynyrd Skynyrd is much more than just rap with guitar. It's > urban with rural, black with white, rebellion with loyalty, two > different flavors of anger over two different flavors of politics. The > south will rise again, the blacks will rise again. Two opposing sides > laying their battle lines. That's when I bring in Ice Cube's "Enemy" > with the verse that ends "bust a clock, bust a Glock, devils get shot" > and top that off with a sampled gunshot and a background sample from > Metallica's "For Whom the Bell Tolls". Then I play Beavis and Butt-head > laughing while the Wicked Witch of the West from "The Wizard of Oz" > screams about melting, and switch to the bassline from the Bee Gees' > "Stayin' Alive" with James Brown's "Funky Drummer" underneath it to back > up a clip from Marilyn Manson's "Rock and Roll Nigger". > > If all you get out of that is "these things don't fit", fine; maybe > you'll just like the noise. Hey, it's gangster rappers and heavy metal > and classic funk and southern rock and a cartoon and a family movie, > wow, that's a lot of weird stuff. This guy's messed up. I like messed up > people, what else has he done? > > But if you begin to get the image of a race war in your head, *now* > you're starting to get it. This isn't just a random collection of crap I > had on my hard drive, it's a statement. And that statement is not what > these samples originally said; with the exception of the Ice Cube > sample, none of them had anything whatsoever to do with racism. And > that's where I draw my line on creativity: does the new recording say > something the original recordings didn't? The answer here is clearly > "yes". > > Now, whether that makes it "art" is something we could argue about for > months. Whether it's a viable strategy on which to found an entire > musical career is another long argument. But as a tool in the toolbox, I > think it's certainly something worth carrying around. > > > Remember "Stairway to Gilligan's Island"? > > No, but I remember "House of Amazing Grace". Once upon a time, I was in > a punk/metal band called NME in Virginia. We would play "House of the > Rising Sun" and sing "Amazing Grace" to that tune. I suspect you're > mentioning something similar. > > Oddly enough, we also did one kick-ass heavy metal cover of > "Copacabana"... get some growl in the voice and some chunk in the > guitar, it sounds pretty damn cool. We tried to do a similar version of > "Magic", but the chorus just plain didn't work. > > Then we graduated high school, went off in all directions, and never saw > each other again. > > >If you'll check out the archives you may find a thread from, oh, a year and > >a half to two years ago (rough estimate) where the topic included > >discussions of just how long a sample may be before it crosses the line > >from creativity to theft (there's no *real* authoritative answer, but the > >opinions and legalistic views presented were interesting). > > Man, how many times have I been *there*? My take: it doesn't matter how > long the sample is. It matters what you DID with it. If you didn't do > anything, it's theft. If you did something interesting and unusual, it's > creative. Then you get into what exactly the definition of "interesting > and unusual" is, to which there's also no real authoritative answer -- > but at least it's become obvious that there's no such answer. ;) > > >Please don't take my post as a personal attack. I've never heard your music > >and can't legitimately comment on it, but I got the impression from your > >intro that you'd enjoy having your opinions challenged! > > Oh, yeah, I *love* to stir up trouble. It's one of my favorite pastimes. > :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 12:28:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31864; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:27:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:27:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00aa01c124dd$6edc0590$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <200108140348.XAA25917@hemlock.violacea.com> <3.0.5.32.20010813231010.0080b220@mail.earthlink.net> <4hkhntklgllfg49ggqqnkg73pc14f38rud@4ax.com> <004a01c12498$b578b420$6401a8c0@ls317> <008101c124ce$30241ae0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: frog sounds, etc. Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:23:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I do! > . . . > I'm interested in field recordings, and improvised-instrumentation > (saxophone,percussion, voice etc etc) which is different than the > psychedelic grind/mulch and bass/guitar I can provide myself. Sure, Jamie! Let me know how much you need and how you want it. (FTP is wonderful!) Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 12:37:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03500; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:36:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:36:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:31:44 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: OT: what doesn't Richard Zvonar know...............you be the judge In-reply-to: <003d01c124a9$b60a8420$0743f93f@dnlsh01> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200108140722.DAA21772@hemlock.violacea.com> <003d01c124a9$b60a8420$0743f93f@dnlsh01> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:13 AM -0700 8/14/01, Rick Walker (loop.pool) wrote: >You are doing quite well by yourself, my friend, and with my sports and bad, >boy band trivia knowledge as a backup you can lay claim to being the true >rennaisance man...........;-) The most important thing I learned in school was how to find information. I'll consider you part of my brain pool. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 12:48:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04185; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:46:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:46:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:38:23 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #437 In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200108140348.XAA25917@hemlock.violacea.com> <3.0.5.32.20010813231010.0080b220@mail.earthlink.net> <4hkhntklgllfg49ggqqnkg73pc14f38rud@4ax.com> <004a01c12498$b578b420$6401a8c0@ls317> <008101c124ce$30241ae0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Hey, Richard, need any more frog sounds? No thanks. I have more than I can deal with. I bought several CDs of them, including the classic Smithsonian Folkways collection from the '50s and a more recent (and cleaner sounding) set from NorthWord nature guides. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 13:03:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07091; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:59:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:59:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B795905.5647F69E@bcpl.net> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:10:41 -0400 From: Michael Preston/Kristin Seeberger Reply-To: seepres@bcpl.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Baltimore house concert Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9d_KND.A.kpB.ojVe7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All, Tom Heasley will be performing in Baltimore, Maryland USA, on Friday, September 7, from 7-9pm at my house. Tom plays the Mirafone 188 Tuba, PVC Didjeridu, throat sings a bit, and applies digital processing: yes he loops! He uses the EDP, the DL4, and some other cool gadgets. This will be a small gathering of maybe 30 adults and children; we'll try to wrap up by 9pm so the very little ones can stay in tune with bedtime routines. Adult admission is $10 and kids are free. Read about Tom's musical paths here: http://kalvos.org/heasley.html And check out a review of his latest release here: http://www.spiderbytes.com/ambientrance/hea-wems.htm Please e-mail me off-list if you'd like to come; I'll give you directions, etc. I hope some of you delightful Baltimore area loopers can come and hear Tom, and hang out. Michael Preston From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 13:19:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11252; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:18:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:18:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: FW: REPEATER IS SHIPPING! Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:16:25 -0500 Message-ID: <004001c124e4$d9364340$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Lisa Tyner (Electrix) [mailto:Lisa@Electrixpro.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 12:15 PM To: Lisa Tyner (Electrix) Subject: FW: REPEATER IS SHIPPING! Hello All, This email is to inform you that the much anticipated day has arrived.....Repeater will starting shipping Thursday!!!!!!! I want to thank you all for your patience. I know that the road has been a bumpy one but we are confident that once you get this baby in your hands you'll forgive us for the wait. Orders will be shipped from our warehouse in the order which they were received. We will get the backorders out as soon as we can but it will take some time to fill the long queue. Cheers, Lisa Lisa Tyner Sales & Marketing Electrix/IVL (250) 544-4133.....lisa@electrixpro.com "Repeater Cometh" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 13:28:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11900; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:27:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:27:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:26:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200108141726.NAA23917@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: FW: REPEATER IS SHIPPING! X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 66.9.67.98 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <23NwzB.A.T5C.k9Ve7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Lisa Tyner (Electrix) [mailto:Lisa@Electrixpro.com] > Subject: FW: REPEATER IS SHIPPING! > > This email is to inform you that the much anticipated day has > arrived.....Repeater will starting shipping Thursday!!!!!!! It'll be kinda sad if the Repeater DOES actually ship. I mean, what will we complain about then? /t -- I am the Repeater. I am the Repeater. I am the Repeater. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 13:28:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11948; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:27:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:27:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: RE: RE: Repeater ships Thursday!!! Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:27:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey loopers, Yes, it's Shipping! No, it's not a dream. Repeater is leaving the building tomorrow. I guess we beat the againinator.... We have a list of stores that pre-ordered Repeater on our web site. Basically shipping to these stores will be handled on a first ordered first delivered basis. Everyone should get their units within a few weeks of each other. Check our site for the latest info on CFC cards as well. Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 13:32:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12239; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:30:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:30:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <004001c124e4$d9364340$6501a8c0@stevespc> Subject: Re: REPEATER IS SHIPPING! Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:29:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2001 17:29:54.0594 (UTC) FILETIME=[BB43B820:01C124E6] Resent-Message-ID: <9PUKqC.A.q-C.yAWe7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > This email is to inform you that the much anticipated day has > arrived.....Repeater will starting shipping Thursday!!!!!!! > Sure it is :> (Trying to imagine the party that they are going to have at electrix next week) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 13:41:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13310; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:39:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:39:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c124e8$10411d80$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <004001c124e4$d9364340$6501a8c0@stevespc> Subject: Re: REPEATER IS SHIPPING! Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 18:39:23 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, as Pete Townshend said, "Getting there isn't half the fun, hell, it's ALL the fun." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 13:51:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14409; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:50:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:50:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:43:08 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FW: REPEATER IS SHIPPING! In-Reply-To: <200108141726.NAA23917@www.editev.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Tom Ritchford wrote: > > From: Lisa Tyner (Electrix) [mailto:Lisa@Electrixpro.com] > > Subject: FW: REPEATER IS SHIPPING! > > > > This email is to inform you that the much anticipated day has > > arrived.....Repeater will starting shipping Thursday!!!!!!! > > It'll be kinda sad if the Repeater DOES actually ship. > I mean, what will we complain about then? The release date for the next software upgrade, of course. -Adam ---- T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ http://mp3.com/darkaether/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 13:55:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14668; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:54:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:54:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B7965A8.83B8A220@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:53:43 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater ships Thursday!!! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm crying tears of joy. My prototype againinator looks very scared. Very scared. It's sitting under a table staring into space chattering it's teeth. "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" wrote: > Hey loopers, > > Yes, it's Shipping! > > No, it's not a dream. > > Repeater is leaving the building tomorrow. > > I guess we beat the againinator.... > > We have a list of stores that pre-ordered Repeater on our web site. > Basically shipping to these stores will be handled on a first ordered first > delivered basis. Everyone should get their units within a few weeks of each > other. Check our site for the latest info on CFC cards as well. > > Respect, > > Damon Langlois > Creative Director > Electrix > Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 > http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 14:35:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18939; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 14:33:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 14:33:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010814183251.57993.qmail@web12008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:32:51 -0700 (PDT) From: philip raath Subject: Re: sp 202 loop pop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200108140722.DAA21772@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com tom, is the synth part a midi sequence? you might try editing the velocity values at the start/end point, try and find a middle ground maybe? it may or may not disturb the dynamics of your original part, but it might accidentally (i know i spelled that wrong) sound cooler. take care phil ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 15:46:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24410; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:44:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:44:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003201c124f9$7b365720$37dc1ad8@internet> From: "Gerry P" To: Subject: Stereo EDP/footswich problem Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:44:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002F_01C124D7.F339BAE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C124D7.F339BAE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have been using two EDP's in stereo for a few years now but.. Yesterday, the footswitch(f/s) now only controls the master - the slave = doesn't respond to the f/s at all. I have tried =20 - swapping master and slave machines including resetting parameters for = each machine - f/s controls assigned master only - f/s cable controls new master when master/slave swap=20 - TRS Brother cable tested to be fine=20 - front panel buttons all work to control each respective unit but = master front panel buttons don't control slave - when front panel buttons used to sync manually, "footswitch overdub" = switch only controls master. I am wondering if I have a "footswitch" or a "Sync circuit" problem? Up until now, the EDP's and f/s have performed flawless - so much so = that I am totally dependant on them for stereo. Thanks in advance for any help or suggestions Gerry "If you're going to do something tonight that you'll be sorry for = tomorrow morning,....sleep late." -- Henny Youngman ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C124D7.F339BAE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have been using two EDP's in stereo = for a few=20 years now but..
 
Yesterday, the footswitch(f/s) now only = controls=20 the master - the slave doesn't respond to the f/s at all.
I have tried
 
- swapping master and slave machines = including=20 resetting parameters for each machine - f/s controls assigned master=20 only
 
- f/s cable controls new master when = master/slave=20 swap
 
- TRS Brother cable tested to be fine =
 
- front panel buttons all work to = control each=20 respective unit but master front panel buttons don't control=20 slave
 
- when front panel buttons used to sync = manually,=20 "footswitch overdub" switch only controls master.
 
 
I am wondering if I have a "footswitch" = or a "Sync=20 circuit" problem?
 
Up until now, the EDP's and f/s have = performed=20 flawless - so much so that I am totally dependant on them for=20 stereo.
 
 
Thanks in advance for any help or=20 suggestions
Gerry
"If you're going to do something = tonight that=20 you'll be sorry for tomorrow
morning,....sleep=20 late."
          &nb= sp;       =20 -- Henny Youngman
------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C124D7.F339BAE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 16:32:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31384; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:30:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:30:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00fa01c124ff$6069ee60$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <003201c124f9$7b365720$37dc1ad8@internet> Subject: Re: Stereo EDP/footswich problem Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:26:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I am wondering if I have a "footswitch" or a "Sync circuit" problem? Sounds more like a MIDI problem to me... This is the EDP EFC-7 f/s? I.e., *not* a MIDI f/s? Try this: disconnect the two EDPs from each other. Try the f/s in the master, then disconnect and try it in the slave. If it works in both, then it is not your f/s. The master controls the slave via MIDI. Confirm that your MIDI cable is OK and that you have both EDPs configured correctly. Especially the MIDI parameters. Hope this helps. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 17:39:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07529; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 17:37:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 17:37:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.117.86] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sp 202 loop pop Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:36:03 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2001 21:36:03.0757 (UTC) FILETIME=[1E5F25D0:01C12509] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

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----Original Message Follows----
From: philip raath
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To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: sp 202 loop pop
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:32:51 -0700 (PDT)
tom,
is the synth part a midi sequence? you might try
editing the velocity values at the start/end point,
try and find a middle ground maybe? it may or may not
disturb the dynamics of your original part, but it
might accidentally (i know i spelled that wrong) sound
cooler.
take care
phil
=====
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it's like to live inside somebody else's skin.
It is the knowledge that there can never really be any
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for you too."
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 17:41:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07893; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 17:40:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 17:40:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c12509$b9ac6160$e7dd1ad8@internet> From: "Gerry P" To: References: <003201c124f9$7b365720$37dc1ad8@internet> <00fa01c124ff$6069ee60$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: Stereo EDP/footswich problem Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 17:40:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dennis, thanks for the quick respone I will try what you suggest. But from my last post it appears that my "master" EDP is in more trouble than I thought. It now seems that my EDP master WILL NOT come out of REC mode - the previous slave works fine with the f/s. Great for mono infinite looping - but not so great for stereo looping. Gerry "If you're going to do something tonight that you'll be sorry for tomorrow morning,....sleep late." -- Henny Youngman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Leas" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 4:26 PM Subject: Re: Stereo EDP/footswich problem > > I am wondering if I have a "footswitch" or a "Sync circuit" problem? > > Sounds more like a MIDI problem to me... > > This is the EDP EFC-7 f/s? I.e., *not* a MIDI f/s? > > Try this: disconnect the two EDPs from each other. Try the f/s in the > master, then disconnect and try it in the slave. If it works in both, then > it is not your f/s. > > The master controls the slave via MIDI. Confirm that your MIDI cable is OK > and that you have both EDPs configured correctly. Especially the MIDI > parameters. > > Hope this helps. > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 17:49:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08876; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 17:48:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 17:48:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003301c1250a$12977120$6b44230a@melon> From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <200108140722.DAA21772@hemlock.violacea.com> <003d01c124a9$b60a8420$0743f93f@dnlsh01> Subject: OT: OT: what doesn't Richard Zvonar know...............you be the judge Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 17:42:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The most important thing in my job (systems and networking) is not so much what you know, but knowing how to find out what you don't know. ;-) Love, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 12:31 PM Subject: Re: OT: what doesn't Richard Zvonar know...............you be the judge > At 3:13 AM -0700 8/14/01, Rick Walker (loop.pool) wrote: > > >You are doing quite well by yourself, my friend, and with my sports and bad, > >boy band trivia knowledge as a backup you can lay claim to being the true > >rennaisance man...........;-) > > The most important thing I learned in school was how to find > information. 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References: <200108142149.RAA08994@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It figures - I just re-wired my rack last night. Now I have to start all over. Oh, well.... > > Repeater is leaving the building tomorrow. > -- Hans Lindauer Engineer, Music Man R&D Ernie Ball, Inc. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 18:13:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12590; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 18:10:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 18:10:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010814180112.00a6ee80@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: robert@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 18:14:12 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: oh... you HAD to ask, din'cha? In-Reply-To: <200108142149.RAA08992@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_12453517==_.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_12453517==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed like what they said > > > > This email is to inform you that the much anticipated day has > > arrived.....Repeater will starting shipping Thursday!!!!!!! so you went >It'll be kinda sad if the Repeater DOES actually ship. >I mean, what will we complain about then? /t and i answer: that's EASY! rehashilzer tm ! rehashilzer tm is the newst, hottest thing not out yet. rehashilzer tm takes ANY idea.... not just music or movies or teleproductions or political cant... but ANYTHING... and reprograms, repackages AND remarkets it to ANY target audience you designate. it's time we realized that our cultural development has, in essence, "looped" in upon itself. planet of the apes 2001? nick at night? the entire jive records stable? it's not just a time warp we're caught in, it's the cosmic equiv of the return band at the end of an LP side (those who have never seen a vinyl record just hang on, we'll be rehashing those first.) 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like what they said

>
> This email is to inform you that the much anticipated day has
> arrived.....Repeater will starting shipping Thursday!!!!!!!

so you went

It'll be kinda sad if the Repeater DOES actually ship.
I mean, what will we complain about then?   /t


and i answer:
that's EASY!

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rehashilzer  tm is the newst, hottest thing not out yet.

rehashilzer  tm takes ANY idea.... not just music or movies or teleproductions or political cant... but ANYTHING... and reprograms, repackages AND remarkets it to ANY target audience you designate.

it's time we realized that our cultural development has, in essence, "looped" in upon itself. planet of the apes 2001? nick at night? the entire jive records stable? it's not just a time warp we're caught in, it's the cosmic equiv of the return band at the end of an LP side (those who have never seen a vinyl record just hang on, we'll be rehashing those first.) "play me again! play me again!" our culture demands... and those who have The Power of rehashilzer  tm will be set to cave in, again and aga... whoops, i mean, repeatedly.... oops... i mean... as much as they like.

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References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010814180112.00a6ee80@mail.pdfsystems.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <5VG7-B.A.58G.29be7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OH Wow! If you put this product in the tenticles of an Againinatorô it would rule the world! AHH HA HAH AH HAH AHHAH AH HA HAH I'M DRUNK WITH POWER! 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To the extent that the whole is greater than the sum of its >parts. Hmmmm, maybe, but here's an analogy: Restaurant A makes a fine artichoke appetizer. Restaurant B is famous for its rich, chocolatey Black Forest Torte. Restaurant C has had rave reviews for its pesto tortellini. Restaurant McD is well known for a burger with two all-beef patties, special sauce, et cetera, and has sold them in figures that would make Carl Sagan look like an understater. Now along comes a conceptual chef; let's call him Caligula Tiberius Whiplash. He opens a new, artsy eatery right there in the same neighborhood as restaurants A, B, C and McD. Now Caligula himself doesn't prepare anything from scratch. Tonight's special is a dish consisting of the aforementioned foods obtained by unspecified means from the neighboring restaurants and presented together on one big plate. It's bold and daring, and is artfully presented with an attractive cilantro and watercress garnish (that came from the tortellini place, but has been moved to the other side of the platter to be *creative*). Caligula's new place is unlike any other in town. It's kind of pricy, but the contrasts in tastes on that plate are unexpected and thought provoking. It can't be denied that Caligula is good at what he does, and he's looking forward to basing a career on similar combo plates of other cooks' cooking. But is he a chef? (How do you spell R-E-T-A-I-L?) >Ice-T over Lynyrd Skynyrd is much more than just rap with guitar. It's >urban with rural, black with white, rebellion with loyalty (etc) Yeah, I *got* that. >that's where I draw my line on creativity: does the new recording say >something the original recordings didn't? The answer here is clearly >"yes". Sure. Just as when a curator puts together an exhibit at an art museum, the way the works are juxtaposed can have a LOT to do with the way they're perceived by the viewer. But the curator, skilled as he may be, did not create the art. The presentation skills involved in putting together such a show do indeed call for a refined artistic sensibility and certainly manifest a high degree of talent (assuming the curator did a good job), but the works on exhibit are not themselves examples of the curator's creativity, and without the original creative impulses that resulted in these works, there would be no show. > >Now, whether that makes it "art" is something we could argue about for >months. Nooooo! :-) >Whether it's a viable strategy on which to found an entire >musical career is another long argument. But as a tool in the toolbox, I >think it's certainly something worth carrying around. I think there's some validity to that last part, but to me it's a matter of degree. John Coltrane soloing over the changes of 'My Favorite Things' is a very different animal than if he'd stood there and held up two boom boxes playing the soundtrack from 'The Sound of Music' and the theme from 'Rawhide' simultaneously. (Not that boom boxes had been invented yet, but y'know?) > >> Remember "Stairway to Gilligan's Island"? > >No, but I remember "House of Amazing Grace".... I suspect you're >mentioning something similar. Chet Atkins (RIP) used to do 'Yankee Doodle' and 'Dixie' at the same time in fingerstyle counterpoint, which is a little closer to the cultural contrasts in your Skynyrd example, but we're not talking about the same thing... My point in mentioning 'Stairway to Gilligan's Island' (a setting of the Gilligan lyrics to the ubiquitous Zeppelin tune, for which there was an inevitable lawsuit) is that while parody may certainly be entertaining, it's ultimately not as satisfying as an honest, original artistic expression, and doesn't stand up to repeated listening. And anything that uses recognisable, unauthorized Beavis & Butthead samples, no matter how tongue-in-cheek, is IMO dangerously close to getting caught in that neighborhood... >My take: it doesn't matter how >long the sample is. It matters what you DID with it. If you didn't do >anything, it's theft. If you did something interesting and unusual, it's >creative. But a whole VERSE?! >Oh, yeah, I *love* to stir up trouble. It's one of my favorite pastimes. >:) Heheheheheh.... -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 21:39:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01865; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 20:37:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 20:37:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003b01c12523$aa1572e0$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: Subject: Re: Another Klein FS on eBay Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 20:46:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <8D7UiC.A.uc._Qce7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Damm spiffy lookin' guitar. I like the body shape. Unfortunately I'm not in the market for a guitar these days. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley ----- Original Message ----- From: Travis Hartnett > A bit of a rarity: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1455370965 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 23:47:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21675; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 23:46:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 23:46:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010814214542.007cc100@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 21:45:42 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: OT: what doesn't Richard Zvonar know...............you be the judge In-Reply-To: References: <003d01c124a9$b60a8420$0743f93f@dnlsh01> <200108140722.DAA21772@hemlock.violacea.com> <003d01c124a9$b60a8420$0743f93f@dnlsh01> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com *laughing* -Don't you mean brain loop.pool?... G-Girl At 09:31 AM 8/14/01 -0700, you wrote: >At 3:13 AM -0700 8/14/01, Rick Walker (loop.pool) wrote: > >>You are doing quite well by yourself, my friend, and with my sports and bad, >>boy band trivia knowledge as a backup you can lay claim to being the true >>rennaisance man...........;-) > >The most important thing I learned in school was how to find >information. I'll consider you part of my brain pool. >-- > >______________________________________________________________ >Richard Zvonar, PhD >(818) 788-2202 >http://www.zvonar.com >http://RZCybernetics.com >http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone >http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 01:28:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA32654; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 01:27:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 01:27:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Echoplex manual discussion--how many people use several loops? Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 22:26:51 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Potential Repeater owners, I am still up for discussing the manual for the Echoplex with the interested members of this list--although Kim and Andre covered a lot of ground with the thread on "record"! Here's a potential topic for discussion--how many people use separate loops, as opposed to constructing one big loop? I find it tough to keep the flow going when improvising if I try to do too much. Also, how many folks are using prepared audio in their performances--that is, recording into the Echoplex before a performance and then playing it back during a live thing? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 02:56:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA07627; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 02:54:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 02:54:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010815065403.24364.qmail@web5103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 23:54:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Alx Subject: OT: Mp3´s ID tag on MP3.com... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010814214542.007cc100@mail.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <6POHhC.A.42B.Nyhe7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, what kind of software do you use to write the ID tag on a .mp3 file?, I did that with Winamp and in my windows media player and winamp that info does appear but I uploaded some songs to MP3.com and the ID tag info disappeared of the mp3 file itself, both on the low file and hi fi versions and also on the download option, Why is that? I just send an email to mp3.com support asking for that but I wanted to ask that here too ´cause I´ve downloaded many files of mp3.com from artists on this list and almost all of them have the ID tag inside the mp3 file, how do you do to keep it inside the mp3 file on mp3.com?. Thanks. Alex. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 03:35:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA10922; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 03:33:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 03:33:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e201c1255c$bacb7740$8b43f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200108142149.RAA08994@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re:REPEATER is SHIPPING Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 00:34:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "..............we had this really great bitch session going on...............and then Godot arrived............" to be continued.............. Rick (aka loop.............ah you know) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 03:39:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA11205; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 03:38:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 03:38:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003f01c1255d$404f2740$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <20010815065403.24364.qmail@web5103.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Mp3=B4s_ID_tag_on_MP3.com...?= Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:38:16 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd not checked on that one. Let me have a look. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alx" To: Sent: 15 August 2001 07:54 AM Subject: OT: Mp3´s ID tag on MP3.com... > Hi, what kind of software do you use to write the ID > tag on a .mp3 file?, I did that with Winamp and in my > windows media player and winamp that info does appear > but I uploaded some songs to MP3.com and the ID tag > info disappeared of the mp3 file itself, both on the > low file and hi fi versions and also on the download > option, Why is that? I just send an email to mp3.com > support asking for that but I wanted to ask that here > too ´cause I´ve downloaded many files of mp3.com from > artists on this list and almost all of them have the > ID tag inside the mp3 file, how do you do to keep it > inside the mp3 file on mp3.com?. > Thanks. > Alex. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 03:45:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA11514; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 03:44:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 03:44:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.98.229] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: spgoodman@earthlight.net, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mp3´s ID tag on MP3.com... Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 02:43:17 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Aug 2001 07:43:18.0348 (UTC) FILETIME=[F31488C0:01C1255D] Resent-Message-ID: <8jatXC.A.jzC.1gie7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

Depends on which ID 3 Tag version you are using......




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From: "Stephen P. Goodman"
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Subject: Re: Mp3´s ID tag on MP3.com...
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:38:16 +0100
I'd not checked on that one. Let me have a look.
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Subject: OT: Mp3´s ID tag on MP3.com...
> Hi, what kind of software do you use to write the ID
> tag on a .mp3 file?, I did that with Winamp and in my
> windows media player and winamp that info does appear
> but I uploaded some songs to MP3.com and the ID tag
> info disappeared of the mp3 file itself, both on the
> low file and hi fi versions and also on the download
> option, Why is that? I just send an email to mp3.com
> support asking for that but I wanted to ask that here
> too ´cause I´ve downloaded many files of mp3.com from
> artists on this list and almost all of them have the
> ID tag inside the mp3 file, how do you do to keep it
> inside the mp3 file on mp3.com?.
> Thanks.
> Alex.
>
> __________________________________________________
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 03:47:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA11832; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 03:46:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 03:46:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004f01c1255e$644547a0$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20010813234410.007e4850@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010813234410.007e4850@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010814201806.007d1e30@pop.ici.net> Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:46:23 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Let's expand the analogy to include Army food - which in many cases used to just be everything all mixed up together, such that one would be eating it (glurrgh) and encounter a carrot piece here, potato, meat, peas, yep, it's all in there! But the presentation is awful! Some folks are like that as "chefs" also, no doubt. It's still food, though, however revolting, isn't it? "Tim Nelson" put forth: > At 01:11 AM 8/14/01 -0700, you wrote: > >>but when you talk about > >>lifting entire verses wholesale from other artists' music, to what extent > >>can you really say it's your *own* work? > > > >My opinion? To the extent that the whole is greater than the sum of its > >parts. > > Hmmmm, maybe, but here's an analogy: Restaurant A makes a fine artichoke > appetizer. Restaurant B is famous for its rich, chocolatey Black Forest > Torte. Restaurant C has had rave reviews for its pesto tortellini. > Restaurant McD is well known for a burger with two all-beef patties, > special sauce, et cetera, and has sold them in figures that would make Carl > Sagan look like an understater. > > Now along comes a conceptual chef; let's call him Caligula Tiberius > Whiplash. He opens a new, artsy eatery right there in the same neighborhood > as restaurants A, B, C and McD. Now Caligula himself doesn't prepare > anything from scratch. Tonight's special is a dish consisting of the > aforementioned foods obtained by unspecified means from the neighboring > restaurants and presented together on one big plate. It's bold and daring, > and is artfully presented with an attractive cilantro and watercress > garnish (that came from the tortellini place, but has been moved to the > other side of the platter to be *creative*). Caligula's new place is unlike > any other in town. It's kind of pricy, but the contrasts in tastes on that > plate are unexpected and thought provoking. It can't be denied that > Caligula is good at what he does, and he's looking forward to basing a > career on similar combo plates of other cooks' cooking. > > But is he a chef? (How do you spell R-E-T-A-I-L?) > > >Ice-T over Lynyrd Skynyrd is much more than just rap with guitar. It's > >urban with rural, black with white, rebellion with loyalty (etc) > > Yeah, I *got* that. > > >that's where I draw my line on creativity: does the new recording say > >something the original recordings didn't? The answer here is clearly > >"yes". > > Sure. Just as when a curator puts together an exhibit at an art museum, the > way the works are juxtaposed can have a LOT to do with the way they're > perceived by the viewer. But the curator, skilled as he may be, did not > create the art. The presentation skills involved in putting together such a > show do indeed call for a refined artistic sensibility and certainly > manifest a high degree of talent (assuming the curator did a good job), but > the works on exhibit are not themselves examples of the curator's > creativity, and without the original creative impulses that resulted in > these works, there would be no show. > > > >Now, whether that makes it "art" is something we could argue about for > >months. > > Nooooo! :-) > > >Whether it's a viable strategy on which to found an entire > >musical career is another long argument. But as a tool in the toolbox, I > >think it's certainly something worth carrying around. > > I think there's some validity to that last part, but to me it's a matter of > degree. John Coltrane soloing over the changes of 'My Favorite Things' is a > very different animal than if he'd stood there and held up two boom boxes > playing the soundtrack from 'The Sound of Music' and the theme from > 'Rawhide' simultaneously. (Not that boom boxes had been invented yet, but > y'know?) > > > >> Remember "Stairway to Gilligan's Island"? > > > >No, but I remember "House of Amazing Grace".... I suspect you're > >mentioning something similar. > > Chet Atkins (RIP) used to do 'Yankee Doodle' and 'Dixie' at the same time > in fingerstyle counterpoint, which is a little closer to the cultural > contrasts in your Skynyrd example, but we're not talking about the same > thing... My point in mentioning 'Stairway to Gilligan's Island' (a setting > of the Gilligan lyrics to the ubiquitous Zeppelin tune, for which there was > an inevitable lawsuit) is that while parody may certainly be entertaining, > it's ultimately not as satisfying as an honest, original artistic > expression, and doesn't stand up to repeated listening. And anything that > uses recognisable, unauthorized Beavis & Butthead samples, no matter how > tongue-in-cheek, is IMO dangerously close to getting caught in that > neighborhood... > > >My take: it doesn't matter how > >long the sample is. It matters what you DID with it. If you didn't do > >anything, it's theft. If you did something interesting and unusual, it's > >creative. > > But a whole VERSE?! > > >Oh, yeah, I *love* to stir up trouble. It's one of my favorite pastimes. > >:) > > Heheheheheh.... Those of you with occasional access to the old SCTV show - much of it genius - will remember a sketch with a K-Tel parody called "Stairways to Heaven", comprising different versions of the Zep song by such esoterics as Ricky Lee Jones and Slim Whitman! Man, I wish I had my video collection AND my NTSC player here, I'd capture it and make it available. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 05:38:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA24441; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 05:37:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 05:37:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <019301c1256d$cc5574a0$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <20010815065403.24364.qmail@web5103.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Mp3=B4s_ID_tag_on_MP3.com...?= Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:36:39 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've checked some recent uploads to my site on mp3.com, and the bastards are indeed CHANGING THE ID TAGS! All copyright information has been removed. The genre as well, making the default first one, "Blues", a bit ludicrous for ambient music, don't you think? Thank you, bleeding Universal/Vivendi! And you folks laughed when I said they were up to no good. Combine if you will the REMOVAL of my copyright information with the bits in the pending legislation (posted, analyzed and summarized at http://www.earthlight.net/Thoughts002.html) and an agenda begins to emerge. Again, I call upon those of us not presently sucking at the teat of one of the Big 5 record companies - and even those who are, that are brave enough to do so - to begin a boycott of their system, removing our material, placing it elsewhere, and letting the world know WHY. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alx" To: Sent: 15 August 2001 07:54 AM Subject: OT: Mp3´s ID tag on MP3.com... > Hi, what kind of software do you use to write the ID > tag on a .mp3 file?, I did that with Winamp and in my > windows media player and winamp that info does appear > but I uploaded some songs to MP3.com and the ID tag > info disappeared of the mp3 file itself, both on the > low file and hi fi versions and also on the download > option, Why is that? I just send an email to mp3.com > support asking for that but I wanted to ask that here > too ´cause I´ve downloaded many files of mp3.com from > artists on this list and almost all of them have the > ID tag inside the mp3 file, how do you do to keep it > inside the mp3 file on mp3.com?. > Thanks. > Alex. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 08:09:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA09385; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:08:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:08:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c12582$d52914a0$3edd1ad8@internet> From: "Gerry P" To: References: Subject: Servicing of EDP's Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:07:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is there anyone still servicing EDP's either in Canada or USA? Mine seems to be in perpetual REC mode without the indicator showing record. Thanks in advance Gerry "If you're going to do something tonight that you'll be sorry for tomorrow morning,....sleep late." -- Henny Youngman From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 08:19:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA10138; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:18:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:18:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00de01c12584$b4551470$13da22cb@audiomarsupial> From: "drew" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 20:20:42 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C125C7.C1A6FAB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C125C7.C1A6FAB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C125C7.C1A6FAB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
------=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C125C7.C1A6FAB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 08:39:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA11098; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:38:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:38:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [4.54.26.188] From: "The Weg" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex manual discussion--how many people use several loops? Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 12:37:52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Aug 2001 12:37:53.0307 (UTC) FILETIME=[1A2D3EB0:01C12587] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Loopers, I like using two or three loops, building them slowly. I start with the Roland HD-15 Handsonic and lay down a grove over all loops. On the second pass I can add a different instument to each loop using the Roland GR-33. On a third pass I may color a little with either unit and possibly solo over specific passages. Sometimes I undo parts attempting to keep the audience guessing what is looped and what is not. I am still in an experimental stage with all my new equipment but it's the best way I've found to unwind and relax and this discussion online is a big help in getting new ideas! Thanks Everyone! Weg From: "Gary Lehmann" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Subject: Echoplex manual discussion--how many people use several loops? Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 22:26:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [207.228.238.9] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBD43536A000940043164CFE4EE0911D10; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 22:28:29 -0700 Received: (from looper@localhost)by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA32632;Wed, 15 Aug 2001 01:26:37 -0400 >From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue, 14 Aug 2001 22:30:02 -0700 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 01:26:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Potential Repeater owners, I am still up for discussing the manual for the Echoplex with the interested members of this list--although Kim and Andre covered a lot of ground with the thread on "record"! Here's a potential topic for discussion--how many people use separate loops, as opposed to constructing one big loop? I find it tough to keep the flow going when improvising if I try to do too much. Also, how many folks are using prepared audio in their performances--that is, recording into the Echoplex before a performance and then playing it back during a live thing? Gary _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 09:41:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA14859; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 09:39:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 09:39:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: EDP Audio Path Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:37:52 -0500 Message-ID: <009a01c1258f$7b6b1190$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was wondering, if the EDP is placed in the audio patch in series (for example, after compresssion and before effects), how is the signal passed through while the EDP is not being used? Is it necessary to have another channel that is unaffected (non-looped) routed around the EDP so as to bypass the EDP if desired? Or does the EDP have a bypass switch like other types of effects processors? Thanks, Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 09:43:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA15028; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 09:41:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 09:41:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Andy Ewen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Servicing of EDP's Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:37:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <-C8QVD.A.WqD.Kwne7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yup, Shane Radke @ Gibson Strings & Accessories in Elgin Chicago (shane.radke@gibson.com). > -----Original Message----- > From: Gerry P [mailto:gerryp@air.on.ca] > Sent: 15 August 2001 13:07 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Servicing of EDP's > > > Is there anyone still servicing EDP's either in Canada or USA? > > Mine seems to be in perpetual REC mode without the indicator > showing record. > > Thanks in advance > Gerry > > "If you're going to do something tonight that you'll be sorry > for tomorrow > morning,....sleep late." > -- Henny Youngman > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 10:08:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA17371; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:07:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:07:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:08:10 -0500 Subject: Re: Servicing of EDP's From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just as an update... i sent my edp in for repairs about three or four weeks ago, since then i have had several unanswered phone calls, an email to the address given below was returned to me. so as of now, i don;t even know if the unit was received... gibson has not had a single person available to speak to me and not one messsage has been returned. i am trying not to worry.... but the utter lack of communication is not putting my mind at ease. has anyone had a repair done in the last month or so? or had any communication with shane radtke? i'm guessing that the email address below should have been shane.radtke@gibson.com....i'll try that one... any help is appreciated. monk on 8/15/01 8:37 AM, Andy Ewen at andy.ewen@trace-elliot.com wrote: > Yup, Shane Radke @ Gibson Strings & Accessories in Elgin Chicago > (shane.radke@gibson.com). > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Gerry P [mailto:gerryp@air.on.ca] >> Sent: 15 August 2001 13:07 >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Servicing of EDP's >> >> >> Is there anyone still servicing EDP's either in Canada or USA? >> >> Mine seems to be in perpetual REC mode without the indicator >> showing record. >> >> Thanks in advance >> Gerry >> >> "If you're going to do something tonight that you'll be sorry >> for tomorrow >> morning,....sleep late." >> -- Henny Youngman >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 10:19:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18145; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:18:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:18:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <016b01c12594$97d746a0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <003201c124f9$7b365720$37dc1ad8@internet> <00fa01c124ff$6069ee60$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <000c01c12509$b9ac6160$e7dd1ad8@internet> Subject: Re: Stereo EDP Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 09:14:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hummmm....Gerry's message regarding his stereo EDP operational problems make me think about how stereo operation works for the EDP... Using the EFC-7 footswitch (or equivalent) or front panel switch, you tap RECORD on the master EDP. The master sends a MIDI note-on/off to the slave to start recording. Likewise, to stop recording, you tap RECORD on the master EDP and it sends a MIDI note-on/off to the slave to stop the recording. Since MIDI commands take about 1 millisecond (a little less actually) to transmit, doesn't this mean that there is a phase difference between the left and right channel? I.e., the slave signal will be shifted in phase with respect to the right. Even with *real* clever programming, this characteristic would be hard to compensate for. On the other hand, if you used a MIDI footswitch to trigger the EDPs, both master and slave would recieve the RECORD commands simultaneously resulting in no phase error. Conclusion: For "perfect" stereo looping with the EDP, use a MIDI footswitch. Does this make sense? Kim? Matthias? Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 10:33:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19122; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:30:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:30:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <02e801c12594$bb523900$fdab0b18@olmpi1.wa.home.com> From: "mattlove1" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20010813234410.007e4850@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010813234410.007e4850@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010814201806.007d1e30@pop.ici.net> <004f01c1255e$644547a0$0201a8c0@stephen> Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 07:15:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <_vQtEC.A.UqE.Idoe7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steven P. Goodman wrote: Those of you with occasional access to the old SCTV show - much of it genius - will remember a sketch with a K-Tel parody called "Stairways to Heaven", comprising different versions of the Zep song by such esoterics as Ricky Lee Jones and Slim Whitman! Man, I wish I had my video collection AND my NTSC player here, I'd capture it and make it available. Rhino records has a "Best of Louie Louie" and "Best of Louie Louie Vol. 2" which are exactly what the same would imply. Amusing for a (very) few listenings, and then they get old very quickly. The variety of approaches is pretty amazing, though From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 10:36:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19360; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:32:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:32:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010815102927.02ec2e48@pop1.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:32:04 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: How do you make an FS300? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com can anyone explain to me how to make a digitech FS300 3-button foot pedal? I can make one but I understand that there are some diodes in there to accommodate the 3 buttons on a TRS plug. Can you draw me a schematic and/or send me a description of the circuit? thanks brett From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 10:37:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19728; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:36:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:36:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Andy Ewen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Shane Radtke Subject: RE: Servicing of EDP's Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 09:32:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, sorry I got Shane's e-mail address wrong and I've severely chastised myself. It should be shane.radtke@gibson.com. Shane can be reached on 001 847 741 7315 extn 206, (this is from the UK, so the code may vary). He's normally very good at keeping customers informed as to their repair progress and I've had confirmation that he is there at the moment. > -----Original Message----- > From: mr monk [mailto:monk@fuse.net] > Sent: 15 August 2001 16:08 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Servicing of EDP's > > > just as an update... i sent my edp in for repairs about three > or four weeks > ago, since then i have had several unanswered phone calls, an > email to the > address given below was returned to me. so as of now, i don;t > even know if > the unit was received... gibson has not had a single person > available to > speak to me and not one message has been returned. i am trying not to > worry.... but the utter lack of communication is not putting > my mind at > ease. > > has anyone had a repair done in the last month or so? or had any > communication with shane Radtke? > > > i'm guessing that the email address below should have been > shane.radtke@gibson.com....I'll try that one... > > > any help is appreciated. > > > monk > > > > > > > > > > on 8/15/01 8:37 AM, Andy Ewen at andy.ewen@trace-elliot.com wrote: > > > Yup, Shane Radke @ Gibson Strings & Accessories in Elgin Chicago > > (shane.radke@gibson.com). > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Gerry P [mailto:gerryp@air.on.ca] > >> Sent: 15 August 2001 13:07 > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> Subject: Servicing of EDP's > >> > >> > >> Is there anyone still servicing EDP's either in Canada or USA? > >> > >> Mine seems to be in perpetual REC mode without the indicator > >> showing record. > >> > >> Thanks in advance > >> Gerry > >> > >> "If you're going to do something tonight that you'll be sorry > >> for tomorrow > >> morning,....sleep late." > >> -- Henny Youngman > >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 10:42:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20618; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:40:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:40:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Nord 2 keys for sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.6 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:44:06 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <02e801c12594$bb523900$fdab0b18@olmpi1.wa.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nord 2 900- in excellent shape From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 10:43:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20635; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:41:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:41:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 09:40:52 -0500 (CDT) From: spaceloop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Servicing of EDP's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <868e2C.A.CCF.4noe7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, mr monk wrote: > just as an update... i sent my edp in for repairs about three or four weeks > ago, since then i have had several unanswered phone calls, an email to the > address given below was returned to me. so as of now, i don;t even know if > the unit was received... gibson has not had a single person available to > speak to me and not one messsage has been returned. i am trying not to > worry.... but the utter lack of communication is not putting my mind at > ease. > > has anyone had a repair done in the last month or so? or had any > communication with shane radtke? I talked to him last monday on the phone and I've received a coupke of emails. My EDP is due to arrive at Gibson any day. > > > i'm guessing that the email address below should have been > shane.radtke@gibson.com....i'll try that one... That is the correct address. -- travis salisbury http://www.illuminetdesign.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 10:44:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20907; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:43:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:43:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 07:41:11 -0700 From: Doug Lawrence Subject: OT: Northern California Gig Spam To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003601c12598$54b06e70$0482c83f@allindlaw> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Given the level of "bass" enjoyment on the list, I thought some people on this list may find this gig interesting ... ------------------------------------------------- Bassed on Jazz - jazz with 3 basses and drums - nothin' else. All bass, all the time. Thursday, August 23, 2001 7:00 p.m. Guitar Showcase, 3090 So. Bascom Ave., San Jose (408) 377-5864 www.guitarshowcase.com A unique group comprised of three bassists and a drummer, performing their arrangements of tunes by great jazz composers such as Miles Davis, Thelonious Monk, Charles Mingus, Duke Ellington, etc. The group consists of Wally Malone on six-string bass, Kurt Ribak on acoustic string bass, Bill Noertker on electric fretless bass. Trip Wamsley - solo bass Solo Bass Performance by Gallien/Krueger clinician. For more information about Trip http://www.tripwamsley.com Also, ALEMBIC founders, Ron & Susan Wickersham. Alembic ushered in the era of custom electric bass guitars with fine woods and electronics. Bring your Alembic bass in for a FREE setup. --------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 10:48:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21283; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:46:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:46:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.203.84.227] From: "JH" To: References: <200108140348.XAA25917@hemlock.violacea.com> <3.0.5.32.20010813231010.0080b220@mail.earthlink.net> <4hkhntklgllfg49ggqqnkg73pc14f38rud@4ax.com> <004a01c12498$b578b420$6401a8c0@ls317> <008101c124ce$30241ae0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <00aa01c124dd$6edc0590$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: frog sounds, etc. Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 09:44:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Aug 2001 14:45:42.0027 (UTC) FILETIME=[F5170DB0:01C12598] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Do you have legit public FTP? Does anyone have some space for swapping (and of course thereby recieve your own copies of the sounds)? If we can;t arrange an FTP then emails under 2 meg are fine. With FTP I'll happily download 50megs of samples as wav's. For longer 'atmosphere' loops 20 seconds is a good length. Am i being lame and greedy wanting other people to provide samples *and* FTP? I hope not. Jamie > > I do! > > . . . > > I'm interested in field recordings, and improvised-instrumentation > > (saxophone,percussion, voice etc etc) which is different than the > > psychedelic grind/mulch and bass/guitar I can provide myself. > > > Sure, Jamie! Let me know how much you need and how you want it. (FTP is > wonderful!) > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 10:49:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21432; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:48:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:48:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Andy Ewen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Northern California Gig Spam Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 09:44:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <9s0ioC.A.yNF.nuoe7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can anyone tell me the way to San Jose? > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Lawrence [mailto:dlawren@pacbell.net] > Sent: 15 August 2001 15:41 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: OT: Northern California Gig Spam > > > Given the level of "bass" enjoyment on the list, I thought > some people on > this list may find this gig interesting ... > > ------------------------------------------------- > Bassed on Jazz - jazz with 3 basses and drums - nothin' else. > All bass, all > the time. > Thursday, August 23, 2001 7:00 p.m. > > Guitar Showcase, > 3090 So. Bascom Ave., > San Jose > (408) 377-5864 > www.guitarshowcase.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 10:50:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21476; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:49:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:49:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:49:45 -0500 Subject: Re: Servicing of EDP's From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey all, i just wanted to update you since the last email... in the last hour or two i got: a phone call from gibson and and email from shane.. they are checking to see if the unit arrived safely etc.. thanks for everyone's help. i'm keeping me fingers crossed. peace ric hordinski -- monk@fuse.net www.monkmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 11:06:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23583; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 11:05:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 11:05:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00ab01c133e8$e2ae7d80$af42f93f@dnlsh01> References: <200108021655.MAA15524@hemlock.violacea.com> <00ab01c133e8$e2ae7d80$af42f93f@dnlsh01> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 11:03:50 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: GEAR LUST and CREATIVITY Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's a "gear" story. "On November 18, 1995, Itzhak Perlman, the violinist, came on stage for a concert at Avery Fisher Hall at Lincoln Center in New York City. If you've ever been to a Perlman concert, you know that getting on stage is no small achievement for him. He was stricken with polio as a child, and so he has braces on both legs and walks with the aid of two crutches. To see him walk across the stage, one step at a time, very deliberately and slowly, is an event. He walks painfully, yet majestically, until he reaches his chair. Then he sits down, slowly puts his crutches on the floor, undoes the clasps on his legs, tucks one foot back and extends the other foot forward. Then he bends down and picks up the violin, puts it under his chin, nods to the conductor, and proceeds to play. "By now the audience is used to the ritual. They sit quietly while he makes his way across the stage to his chair; they remain reverently silent while he undoes his clasps on his legs; they wait until he is ready to play. "But this time something went wrong. Just as he finished the first few bars, one of the strings on his violin broke. You could hear it snap--it went off like gunfire across the room. There was no mistaking what that sound meant. There was no mistaking what he had to do. The people who were there that night thought to themselves, 'We figured that he would have to get up, put on the clasps again, pick up the crutches and amble his way offstage to either find another violin or else find another string for this one.' "But he didn't. Instead, he waited a moment, closed his eyes, and then signaled the conductor to begin again. The orchestra began, and he played from where he had left off. And he played with such passion and such power and such purity as they had never heard before. Of course, anyone knows that it is impossible to play a symphonic work with just three strings; I know that, and you know that. But that night, Itzhak Perlman refused to know that. You could see him modulating, changing, recomposing the piece in his head. At one point it sounded like he was detuning the strings to get new sounds from them that they had never made before. "And when he was finished, there was an awesome silence in the room. And then people rose and cheered. There was an extraordinary outburst of applause from every corner of the auditorium. We were all on our feet, screaming and cheering, doing everything we could to show how much we appreciated what he had done. He smiled, wiped the sweat from his brow, raised his bow to quiet us, and then he said--not boastfully, but in a quiet, pensive, reverent tone-- 'You know, sometimes it is the artist's task to find out how much music you can still make with what you have left.' "What a powerful line that is! It has stayed in my mind ever since I heard it. And who knows? Perhaps that's the way of life, not just for artists, but for all of us. Here is a man who has prepared all his life to make music on a violin of four strings, who all of a sudden, in the middle of a concert, finds himself with only three strings. So he makes music with three strings. And the music he made that night with just three strings was more beautiful, more sacred, more memorable than any that he had ever made before when he had four strings. "So perhaps our task in this shaky, fast-changing, bewildering world in which we live, is to make music--at first with all that we have, and then, when that's no longer possible, to make music with what we have left." Jack Riemer of the Houston Chronicle .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 11:18:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24257; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 11:17:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 11:17:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <019701c1259c$d6065670$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <200108021655.MAA15524@hemlock.violacea.com> <00ab01c133e8$e2ae7d80$af42f93f@dnlsh01> Subject: Re: GEAR LUST and CREATIVITY Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:13:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you, Tom! Quite a story! I've printed it out and posted it on my door. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 11:41:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25606; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 11:38:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 11:38:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 11:39:00 -0500 Subject: Re: GEAR LUST and CREATIVITY From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com great story... so was all that playing on a million dollar stradavarious.... monk on 8/15/01 10:03 AM, Tom Ritchford at tom@swirly.com wrote: > Here's a "gear" story. > > "On November 18, 1995, Itzhak Perlman, the violinist, came on > stage for a concert at Avery Fisher Hall at Lincoln Center in New > York City. If you've ever been to a Perlman concert, you know that > getting on stage is no small achievement for him. He was stricken > with polio as a child, and so he has braces on both legs and walks > with the aid of two crutches. To see him walk across the stage, one > step at a time, very deliberately and slowly, is an event. He walks > painfully, yet majestically, until he reaches his chair. Then he sits > down, slowly puts his crutches on the floor, undoes the clasps on > his legs, tucks one foot back and extends the other foot forward. > Then he bends down and picks up the violin, puts it under his chin, > nods to the conductor, and proceeds to play. > > "By now the audience is used to the ritual. They sit quietly while > he makes his way across the stage to his chair; they remain > reverently silent while he undoes his clasps on his legs; they wait > until he is ready to play. > > "But this time something went wrong. Just as he finished the first > few bars, one of the strings on his violin broke. You could hear it > snap--it went off like gunfire across the room. There was no > mistaking what that sound meant. There was no mistaking what he > had to do. The people who were there that night thought to > themselves, 'We figured that he would have to get up, put on the > clasps again, pick up the crutches and amble his way offstage to > either find another violin or else find another string for this one.' > > "But he didn't. Instead, he waited a moment, closed his eyes, and > then signaled the conductor to begin again. The orchestra began, > and he played from where he had left off. And he played with such > passion and such power and such purity as they had never heard > before. Of course, anyone knows that it is impossible to play a > symphonic work with just three strings; I know that, and you know > that. But that night, Itzhak Perlman refused to know that. You > could see him modulating, changing, recomposing the piece in his > head. At one point it sounded like he was detuning the strings to > get new sounds from them that they had never made before. > > "And when he was finished, there was an awesome silence in the > room. And then people rose and cheered. There was an > extraordinary outburst of applause from every corner of the > auditorium. We were all on our feet, screaming and cheering, doing > everything we could to show how much we appreciated what he > had done. He smiled, wiped the sweat from his brow, raised his > bow to quiet us, and then he said--not boastfully, but in a quiet, > pensive, reverent tone-- 'You know, sometimes it is the artist's task > to find out how much music you can still make with what you have > left.' > > "What a powerful line that is! It has stayed in my mind ever > since I heard it. And who knows? Perhaps that's the way of life, not > just for artists, but for all of us. Here is a man who has prepared all > his life to make music on a violin of four strings, who all of a > sudden, in the middle of a concert, finds himself with only three > strings. So he makes music with three strings. And the music he > made that night with just three strings was more beautiful, more > sacred, more memorable than any that he had ever made before > when he had four strings. > > "So perhaps our task in this shaky, fast-changing, bewildering > world in which we live, is to make music--at first with all that we > have, and then, when that's no longer possible, to make music with > what we have left." > > Jack Riemer of the Houston Chronicle > > .........a new fortune every minute. > ..................Forteans of New York. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 12:53:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02146; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 12:51:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 12:51:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <7a.19552b9e.28ac0245@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 12:50:13 EDT Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #441 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <1kHzwC.A.eg.jhqe7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I am still up for discussing the manual for the Echoplex with the interested > members of this list--although Kim and Andre covered a lot of ground with > the thread on "record"! Here's a potential topic for discussion--how many > people use separate loops, as opposed to constructing one big loop? Quite often I copy a loop so that I can break it down, then I can go back to the original loop. Setting up a few loops and swapping between them seems to need a bit of planning. In particular I find that changing from one multi-layered improv loop to another can spoil the continuity. While its not a problem to set up a number of loops (without layering) which are suitable for alternation, currently I'm finding this to increase the tendency to make music which is essentially soloist and backing. Currently I'm more attracted to the idea of the live input interacting with the loop. Getting it to sound like the loop is kind of spilling out of the live input. If I use more than one loop I usually have more than one looping device, synced or not. Sometimes the live stuff is fed to 2 unsynced loopers. Sometimes I set up one loop, freeze it, and work on another, usually unsynced. When this is going on it helps to have a mixer, and a stereo system. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 12:53:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02143; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 12:51:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 12:51:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <6a.120a681f.28ac0244@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 12:50:12 EDT Subject: Re: Stereo EDP/footswich problem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > It now seems that my EDP master WILL NOT come out of REC mode - the previous > slave works fine with the f/s. When I had a problem like this it was because I'd put the attached footswitch to one side, upside down. So some of the switches were permanently on. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 13:18:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08416; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:17:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:17:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010815100422.00a95e88@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:13:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP Audio Path In-Reply-To: <009a01c1258f$7b6b1190$6501a8c0@stevespc> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:37 AM 8/15/2001, M. Steven Ginn wrote: >I was wondering, if the EDP is placed in the audio patch in series (for >example, after compresssion and before effects), how is the signal >passed through while the EDP is not being used? Is it necessary to have >another channel that is unaffected (non-looped) routed around the EDP so >as to bypass the EDP if desired? Or does the EDP have a bypass switch >like other types of effects processors? there is a direct path and a loop path. the two are mixed together at the output, and the levels of each are controlled by the "Mix" knob on the front. So for simple applications you don't need a mixer. (there are also input and output volume controls.) There is some additional control you have: - There is the "Mute" button that mutes the loop and leaves just the direct signal. - If you have a pedal connected to the Feedback jack in back of the unit (which you would normally use for controlling feedback), there is a parameter option where you can have the pedal control the Loop output volume. This is under the Loop/Delay parameter, and is an option called "out". It only appears if a pedal is plugged in. - If you use midi, you can assign a continuos controller to control Loop output volume. For most people though, all you need is the mix knob and the mute button. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 13:22:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08749; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:21:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:21:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: EDP as Sampler Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:21:02 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <7a.19552b9e.28ac0245@aol.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is about the more than one loops thread I sarted last night, but more to the point-- What about having audio "loaded" into the EDP and triggering it back as samples using MIDI? Anybody found any satisfaction doing this? Seems like a good way to go--but it ties up the EDP (in some ways) so you can't use it as a live looping instrument (as much). Any folks tried this stuff? (including Andre, Claude, Kim, etc.) Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 13:24:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09222; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:23:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:23:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: EDP Audio Path Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 12:21:51 -0500 Message-ID: <00c901c125ae$c59afa90$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010815100422.00a95e88@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Kim. Do all looping devices operate in this way, or do some require some type of direct path to be maintained so that if looping isn't desired, the original sound will be heard? Steve > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 12:14 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: EDP Audio Path > > > At 06:37 AM 8/15/2001, M. Steven Ginn wrote: > >I was wondering, if the EDP is placed in the audio patch in > series (for > >example, after compresssion and before effects), how is the signal > >passed through while the EDP is not being used? Is it necessary to > >have another channel that is unaffected (non-looped) routed > around the > >EDP so as to bypass the EDP if desired? Or does the EDP > have a bypass > >switch like other types of effects processors? > > there is a direct path and a loop path. the two are mixed > together at the > output, and the levels of each are controlled by the "Mix" > knob on the > front. So for simple applications you don't need a mixer. > (there are also > input and output volume controls.) > > There is some additional control you have: > > - There is the "Mute" button that mutes the loop and leaves > just the direct > signal. > > - If you have a pedal connected to the Feedback jack in back > of the unit > (which you would normally use for controlling feedback), there is a > parameter option where you can have the pedal control the Loop output > volume. This is under the Loop/Delay parameter, and is an > option called > "out". It only appears if a pedal is plugged in. > > - If you use midi, you can assign a continuos controller to > control Loop > output volume. > > For most people though, all you need is the mix knob and the > mute button. > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 13:43:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11027; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:42:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:42:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:39:44 -0700 Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) From: Allan Hoeltje To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010814201806.007d1e30@pop.ici.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim, Excellent analogy! In the computer business this is called "value added reseller" and it is a creative way to make money from folks who do not have the time or knowledge to do it themselves. Another analogy would be the morning newspaper comprised mostly of Associated Press "samples". We will soon have nearly everything that was ever written, filmed, sung, or played digitized and available for repackaging and I think tapping into this vast source of old content - and making it interesting in new ways - is creative. $0.02 -Allan on 8/14/01 5:18 PM, Tim Nelson at tcn62@ici.net wrote: > Hmmmm, maybe, but here's an analogy: Restaurant A makes a fine artichoke > appetizer. Restaurant B is famous for its rich, chocolatey Black Forest > Torte. Restaurant C has had rave reviews for its pesto tortellini. > Restaurant McD is well known for a burger with two all-beef patties, > special sauce, et cetera, and has sold them in figures that would make Carl > Sagan look like an understater. > > Now along comes a conceptual chef; let's call him Caligula Tiberius > Whiplash. He opens a new, artsy eatery right there in the same neighborhood > as restaurants A, B, C and McD. Now Caligula himself doesn't prepare > anything from scratch. Tonight's special is a dish consisting of the > aforementioned foods obtained by unspecified means from the neighboring > restaurants and presented together on one big plate. It's bold and daring, > and is artfully presented with an attractive cilantro and watercress > garnish (that came from the tortellini place, but has been moved to the > other side of the platter to be *creative*). Caligula's new place is unlike > any other in town. It's kind of pricy, but the contrasts in tastes on that > plate are unexpected and thought provoking. It can't be denied that > Caligula is good at what he does, and he's looking forward to basing a > career on similar combo plates of other cooks' cooking. > > But is he a chef? (How do you spell R-E-T-A-I-L?) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 14:14:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14775; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:10:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:10:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <020401c125b4$fac54da0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:06:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hmmmm, maybe, but here's an analogy: Restaurant A makes a fine artichoke > appetizer. Restaurant B is famous for its rich, chocolatey Black Forest > Torte. ... As another view, perhaps this is a "deployment of technology" issue... [ DISCLAIMER: The following is best appreciated in a sleep-deprived state.] The first musicians argued endlessly about what constituted "real music". Ug-Ug said, "Ah EE O La La gah gah diddy WAH diddy." Which is caveperson talk for - "Man, these younger guys just burn me up. They use these 'things', instruments I think they call them, to make sounds and they call that *making music*. That ain't making music! It's merely using things that others have made. Sure, they're good at presenting sounds, but it's the instrument that's making the sound, not the player. Now, singing and chanting...that's *real* music." To which Gu-Gu replied, "Ech Rrrr zch Pft DIDDY wah DIDDY." Which is caveperson talk for, "Yeah, whatever. Hey! I hear the Repeater is shipping tomorrow!" Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 14:18:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15424; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:17:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:17:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PaulPokr@aol.com Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:16:36 EDT Subject: Re: GEAR LUST and CREATIVITY To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <9b.197adee1.28ac1684@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wonder if "Dimebag" Darrell could have done the same with his seven-string! Regards, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 14:19:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15434; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:17:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:17:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010815111319.00aeb1a8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 11:15:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Stereo EDP/footswich problem In-Reply-To: <6a.120a681f.28ac0244@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com also, you might want to check that you didn't leave it in delay mode or something like that. (or just reset all the parameters to default to make sure it is in a normal state.) or it could be the pedal or pedal jack jack has developed a short. that would act like the Record button was permanently pushed. kim At 09:50 AM 8/15/2001, SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > > It now seems that my EDP master WILL NOT come out of REC mode - the > previous > > slave works fine with the f/s. >When I had a problem like this it >was because I'd put the attached footswitch >to one side, upside down. So some of the >switches were permanently on. > > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 14:20:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15544; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:18:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:18:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 11:21:33 -0700 Organization: Darklock Communications Message-ID: <7mmjntkdhp0v73ipps54uh3fp487h4hejt@4ax.com> References: <3.0.5.32.20010813234410.007e4850@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010813234410.007e4850@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010814201806.007d1e30@pop.ici.net> In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010814201806.007d1e30@pop.ici.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 20:18:06 -0400, Tim Nelson wrote: >I think there's some validity to that last part, but to me it's a matter of >degree. No it isn't. ;) All your examples have displayed a fundamental prejudice: you think sample-based music by definition consists *exclusively* of "play this, then play that". This is most certainly not the case -- all the sampled material I use is augmented by layering, effects, and original material. I'm well beyond the radio-DJ "crossfade into another song by someone else" style. Some people aren't; a friend of mine bought a CD by Richard "Humpty" Vission on the way to my wedding which essentially consisted of several one- to two-minute remixes crammed on the same CD and presented as a single work. Some stretches were cool for as much as three minutes; others just plain sucked. Vission certainly does have fans and sell CDs, though. Evidently, this is good enough for a lot of people. But that's NOT what I'm doing. Your examples trivialise my work/art/product (choose the term you find most acceptable). I'm playing "The Sound of Music" and "Rawhide" at the same time through an effects rack *while* I solo over it. I'm sawing the statues up and nailing them all together in a new configuration with unframed paintings covering their faces and religious bumper stickers over their unmentionables. I'm serving pesto tortellini between two all-beef patties with special sauce on a black forest torte bun topped by an artichoke heart and jalapenos. Whether any of the above is art can certainly be argued, as I've said, but you have to admit it *is* creative. Even if it sucks. (And that food example certainly isn't something *I'd* want to eat.) >while parody may certainly be entertaining, >it's ultimately not as satisfying as an honest, original artistic >expression, and doesn't stand up to repeated listening. I'd like to take exception to the implication that all sample-based music is parody, and neither honest nor original. I won't further belabor that point, but your thinking seems a bit constipated here. Samples are a tool. I don't *need* them to make music. I have a perfectly good rack of synths and effects boxes, and the Strat next to my desk isn't there for show. (If it was, it wouldn't be left handed.) If I don't have what I need, or what I have isn't *quite* what I need, I don't have the slightest problem with firing up the console and laying it out. But if I've already *got* what I need and have to choose between using a sample or using an imitation, I'll use the sample. Consider the following. Original, composed of self-produced loops from live play: ftp://ftp.darklock.com/pub/darksound/dusk.mp3 Original, composed of self-produced loops from samples: ftp://ftp.darklock.com/pub/darksound/violex.mp3 Original, composed of stock loops from sample CDs: ftp://ftp.darklock.com/pub/darksound/pitm.mp3 Original, sample-based with added original material: ftp://ftp.darklock.com/pub/darksound/tina.mp3 Derivative, sample-based with added original material: ftp://ftp.darklock.com/pub/darksound/everywhere.mp3 Original, *completely* sample-based: ftp://ftp.darklock.com/pub/darksound/sk8.mp3 The interesting thing is how opinions differ on the material. The top three are the tracks that have garnered the most praise from other musicians. But the *bottom* three are the ones that have garnered the highest download counts from the general public! While musicians constantly whine about how sample-based music isn't "really" music, people certainly seem to like listening to it. And besides, if your art doesn't shock people, maybe it's not *really* all that original. ;) >>My take: it doesn't matter how >>long the sample is. It matters what you DID with it. If you didn't do >>anything, it's theft. If you did something interesting and unusual, it's >>creative. > >But a whole VERSE?! It was the natural endpoint of the vocal. Nobody would think twice if I sampled eight measures of a drum beat or a melody. Sure, it evolves over those eight measures, that's the natural loop point, no problem. Why are lyrics any different? After all, I'm often told by other electronic musicians that vocals are only another instrument, organised noise which should be used just like a guitar or a synth -- rather than, say, to communicate some kind of *meaning*. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 14:32:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17026; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:30:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:30:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB6B6@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: GEAR LUST and CREATIVITY Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:28:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C125B8.1D88F690" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C125B8.1D88F690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" hmm. dd only plays 6-string (that i know of), guys in Korn play 7-strings and Keef plays 5-strings . . . uselessly yours, stig -----Original Message----- From: PaulPokr@aol.com [mailto:PaulPokr@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 11:17 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: GEAR LUST and CREATIVITY I wonder if "Dimebag" Darrell could have done the same with his seven-string! Regards, Paul ------_=_NextPart_001_01C125B8.1D88F690 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: GEAR LUST and CREATIVITY

hmm. dd only plays 6-string (that i know of), guys in Korn play 7-strings and Keef plays 5-strings . . .

uselessly yours,

stig

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I wonder if "Dimebag" Darrell could have done the same with his seven-string!

Regards, Paul

------_=_NextPart_001_01C125B8.1D88F690-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 14:51:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18402; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:47:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:47:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006601c125ba$8a72ab00$0101a8c0@invisible> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <9b.197adee1.28ac1684@aol.com> Subject: R: GEAR LUST and CREATIVITY Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 20:46:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has Dimebag Darrell ever used a 7 strings? Don't remember. Well, a certain Adrian Belew did something like that on the last K.C. concert in Rome. And I think some Satriani or some Vai could do as well, but I'm not that certain of that, you know, with a floating tremolo it is a harder task to keep the remaining strings in tune.... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 8:16 PM Subject: Re: GEAR LUST and CREATIVITY > I wonder if "Dimebag" Darrell could have done the same with his seven-string! > > Regards, Paul > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 14:55:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18769; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:52:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:52:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Re: R: GEAR LUST and CREATIVITY To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.6 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:56:31 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006601c125ba$8a72ab00$0101a8c0@invisible> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i use a no string or a g string it all depends on my mood and or my success with diet drinks and chronic masturbation weight loss plan- On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 20:46:04 +0200 "Luigi Meloni" wrote: > Has Dimebag Darrell ever used a 7 strings? Don't > remember. Well, a certain > Adrian Belew did something like that on the last K.C. > concert in Rome. And I > think some Satriani or some Vai could do as well, but I'm > not that certain > of that, you know, with a floating tremolo it is a harder > task to keep the > remaining strings in tune.... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 8:16 PM > Subject: Re: GEAR LUST and CREATIVITY > > > > I wonder if "Dimebag" Darrell could have done the same > with his > seven-string! > > > > Regards, Paul > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 15:14:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22770; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:12:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:12:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001c01c125bf$6a1ab140$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: <9b.197adee1.28ac1684@aol.com> <006601c125ba$8a72ab00$0101a8c0@invisible> Subject: Re: GEAR LUST and CREATIVITY Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:20:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Luigi Meloni > Has Dimebag Darrell ever used a 7 strings? Don't remember. Well, a certain > Adrian Belew did something like that on the last K.C. concert in Rome. And I > think some Satriani or some Vai could do as well, but I'm not that certain > of that, you know, with a floating tremolo it is a harder task to keep the > remaining strings in tune.... Hmmm...wouldn't a violin have the same problem? One string broken would change the tension on the other three string. Yes? No? * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 15:17:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23273; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:16:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:16:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 12:19:42 -0700 Organization: Darklock Communications Message-ID: <5sflnt8589jb0v3021n4v8cbgn8n0beith@4ax.com> References: <020401c125b4$fac54da0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> In-Reply-To: <020401c125b4$fac54da0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:06:17 -0500, "Dennis Leas" wrote: >As another view, perhaps this is a "deployment of technology" issue... I tend to think it's more of a generation gap. Each generation of technology provides simpler ways to make music. The previous generation, being jealous, claims the music isn't "real". When I use looped samples, people complain that I didn't make the loops myself. When I use loops composed from one-shot samples, people complain that I didn't produce the sound myself. When I use a series of software synths, people complain that they aren't real synths. When I use rack-mounted synths via MIDI, people complain that I'm not really playing. When I play a keyboard-equipped synth, people complain that it's not a real instrument. When I play an electric guitar, people complain that the amp and the effects are doing all the work. When I play an acoustic guitar, people complain that the instrument is doing all the work. When I sing, people complain that my singing is simplistic and uninspired. And when I try to sing complex operatic solos, everyone complains that I suck. ;) The fact of the matter is that you can't win. I constantly hear people complaining that since I use looped samples, I must not be *able* to do any of the other things listed up there. It's usually a guitarist. But once I pick up a guitar, play something, and offer the complainant a seat at my workstation to try this "easy" looped sample stuff? Oh, that's okay, he doesn't need to cross this line. And incidentally, I was a little flat on the last part of that solo, so he was right all along. What I think has actually happened is that everyone reaches a level of incompetence -- they get to a certain point, look at the next level, and can't make head or tail of it. So they say "sour grapes", and claim that wherever they personally tapped out is where everyone ought to be. This is why there are people who can't shred sitting around going "dude, speed metal sucks!", and people who can't program a drum machine going "dude, drum machines are stupid!", and people who can't make head or tail of a sampler saying "dude, samples are gay!"... because, quite simply, they can't do it. This isn't a universal truth, of course. Some people have gone the other direction; Ritchie Blackmore of Deep Purple is currently releasing almost-ignored CDs of medieval madrigals with his wife, because he doesn't really find much pleasure in playing hard rock anymore. (It's probably a little disheartening when you play something grand and majestic like "Gates of Babylon" and people just keep saying "dude, play 'Smoke on the Water'!") He's been there, done that, and decided he wanted to do something else. In some interviews, he's said that he left the rock scene because he wanted to play "real" music. And then you have a bunch of people who look at DJs and synth jockeys and say "wow, man, I wish I could do that -- but all I know how to play is this stupid guitar". Everyone gets to a point where they can't do something. I'm just in awe of people who can create the exact sound they want from scratch; I always come up with something that's nowhere close to what I want and go "oh well, it still sounds pretty cool anyway". If I want something that sounds *almost* like the orchestra hit at the beginning of some beat or other, I have to painstakingly filter that hit out of the beat and then tweak it. Other people would say "let's see, that's an A flat triangle wave with some second harmonics and about 25% distortion on an inverse logarithmic curve with a 2.5 ms choral delay detuned by around 4 Hz, and the decay rate is proportional to the integral of time t cubed -- but I'd like a bit less distortion and more of a square wave with pulse width modulated by a 1.3 Hz LFO". I'm so jealous of those people it's not funny. And yes, it IS tempting to say "what you do isn't REALLY music!" whenever I see them. After all, they're not "really" musicians, they're mathematicians and walking DSPs. But what comes out in the end is still music, and what I'm really complaining about is my *own* shortcomings. I think what we really need to get past is the concept of music being "real" before it's finished. A musician, technically, is someone who makes music. Who cares how he makes it? Who cares if it's what you do or not? It's music in the end, and that's what really matters -- isn't it? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 15:23:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23882; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:22:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:22:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:22:24 -0500 Subject: Re: GEAR LUST and CREATIVITY From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001c01c125bf$6a1ab140$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes, but with a fixed bridge, less so than on a tremolo equipped guitar... on 8/15/01 2:20 PM, David Beardsley at db@biink.com wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Luigi Meloni > >> Has Dimebag Darrell ever used a 7 strings? Don't remember. Well, a certain >> Adrian Belew did something like that on the last K.C. concert in Rome. And > I >> think some Satriani or some Vai could do as well, but I'm not that certain >> of that, you know, with a floating tremolo it is a harder task to keep the >> remaining strings in tune.... > > Hmmm...wouldn't a violin have the same problem? One > string broken would change the tension on the other three string. > > Yes? No? > > * David Beardsley > * http://biink.com > * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 15:26:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24323; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:25:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:25:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Re: GEAR LUST and CREATIVITY To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.6 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:29:03 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i once had bridge work done-my dentist asked to touch his tremolo while i was gassed up- was that wrong? On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:22:24 -0500 mr monk wrote: > yes, but with a fixed bridge, less so than on a tremolo > equipped guitar... > > > > > > > on 8/15/01 2:20 PM, David Beardsley at db@biink.com > wrote: > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Luigi Meloni > > > >> Has Dimebag Darrell ever used a 7 strings? Don't > remember. Well, a certain > >> Adrian Belew did something like that on the last K.C. > concert in Rome. And > > I > >> think some Satriani or some Vai could do as well, but > I'm not that certain > >> of that, you know, with a floating tremolo it is a > harder task to keep the > >> remaining strings in tune.... > > > > Hmmm...wouldn't a violin have the same problem? One > > string broken would change the tension on the other > three string. > > > > Yes? No? > > > > * David Beardsley > > * http://biink.com > > * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 15:36:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25629; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:35:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:35:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB6B8@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Basic intro (OT) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:33:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C125C1.25B3A2D0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C125C1.25B3A2D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" And yes, it IS tempting to say "what you do isn't REALLY music!" ** and, in my case, you'd be right ;-) stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C125C1.25B3A2D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: Basic intro (OT)

And yes, it IS tempting to say "what you do isn't REALLY music!"

** and, in my case, you'd be right ;-)

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C125C1.25B3A2D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 16:00:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30265; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:58:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:58:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002701c125c3$ba6d9a00$6b44230a@melon> From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <020401c125b4$fac54da0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <5sflnt8589jb0v3021n4v8cbgn8n0beith@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:51:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There's an aesthetic issue and an economic/social one. Aesthetically speaking, loop music using appropriated samples is as much an art as collage painting, or tape-based art music a la muique concrete. As such, the 'artistic merit' of these works is a subjective determination of inspiration and execution made by the audience, IMHO. I don't think coming to a group consensus on this subject is very important at all. Economically and socially speaking, it's a different matter because the ramifications impact real peoples real lives in a more earthly way. The whole notion of 'intellectual property' invokes very strong mixed emotions in me. Philosophically, I admire the concept of free information and the notion of imposing abstract legalistic limitations brings me down. But practically speaking, without these limitations, living as an artist within our current ecomomic/social paradigm would be unfeasible, in the extremes, and I would not want that result at all. However, addressing these issues in a way that balances free sharing against the economic needs of artist is fucking dicey to say the least. As a philosophical discussion, though, it's interesting. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Caliban Tiresias Darklock" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 3:19 PM Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) > On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:06:17 -0500, "Dennis Leas" > wrote: > > >As another view, perhaps this is a "deployment of technology" issue... > > I tend to think it's more of a generation gap. Each generation of > technology provides simpler ways to make music. The previous generation, > being jealous, claims the music isn't "real". When I use looped samples, > people complain that I didn't make the loops myself. When I use loops > composed from one-shot samples, people complain that I didn't produce > the sound myself. When I use a series of software synths, people > complain that they aren't real synths. When I use rack-mounted synths > via MIDI, people complain that I'm not really playing. When I play a > keyboard-equipped synth, people complain that it's not a real > instrument. When I play an electric guitar, people complain that the amp > and the effects are doing all the work. When I play an acoustic guitar, > people complain that the instrument is doing all the work. When I sing, > people complain that my singing is simplistic and uninspired. And when I > try to sing complex operatic solos, everyone complains that I suck. ;) > > The fact of the matter is that you can't win. I constantly hear people > complaining that since I use looped samples, I must not be *able* to do > any of the other things listed up there. It's usually a guitarist. But > once I pick up a guitar, play something, and offer the complainant a > seat at my workstation to try this "easy" looped sample stuff? Oh, > that's okay, he doesn't need to cross this line. And incidentally, I was > a little flat on the last part of that solo, so he was right all along. > > What I think has actually happened is that everyone reaches a level of > incompetence -- they get to a certain point, look at the next level, and > can't make head or tail of it. So they say "sour grapes", and claim that > wherever they personally tapped out is where everyone ought to be. This > is why there are people who can't shred sitting around going "dude, > speed metal sucks!", and people who can't program a drum machine going > "dude, drum machines are stupid!", and people who can't make head or > tail of a sampler saying "dude, samples are gay!"... because, quite > simply, they can't do it. > > This isn't a universal truth, of course. Some people have gone the other > direction; Ritchie Blackmore of Deep Purple is currently releasing > almost-ignored CDs of medieval madrigals with his wife, because he > doesn't really find much pleasure in playing hard rock anymore. (It's > probably a little disheartening when you play something grand and > majestic like "Gates of Babylon" and people just keep saying "dude, play > 'Smoke on the Water'!") He's been there, done that, and decided he > wanted to do something else. In some interviews, he's said that he left > the rock scene because he wanted to play "real" music. And then you have > a bunch of people who look at DJs and synth jockeys and say "wow, man, I > wish I could do that -- but all I know how to play is this stupid > guitar". > > Everyone gets to a point where they can't do something. I'm just in awe > of people who can create the exact sound they want from scratch; I > always come up with something that's nowhere close to what I want and go > "oh well, it still sounds pretty cool anyway". If I want something that > sounds *almost* like the orchestra hit at the beginning of some beat or > other, I have to painstakingly filter that hit out of the beat and then > tweak it. Other people would say "let's see, that's an A flat triangle > wave with some second harmonics and about 25% distortion on an inverse > logarithmic curve with a 2.5 ms choral delay detuned by around 4 Hz, and > the decay rate is proportional to the integral of time t cubed -- but > I'd like a bit less distortion and more of a square wave with pulse > width modulated by a 1.3 Hz LFO". I'm so jealous of those people it's > not funny. > > And yes, it IS tempting to say "what you do isn't REALLY music!" > whenever I see them. After all, they're not "really" musicians, they're > mathematicians and walking DSPs. But what comes out in the end is still > music, and what I'm really complaining about is my *own* shortcomings. I > think what we really need to get past is the concept of music being > "real" before it's finished. A musician, technically, is someone who > makes music. Who cares how he makes it? Who cares if it's what you do or > not? It's music in the end, and that's what really matters -- isn't it? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 16:21:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01568; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 16:19:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 16:19:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PaulPokr@aol.com Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 16:18:14 EDT Subject: RE: GEAR LUST and CREATIVITY To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: Resent-Message-ID: <652aq.A.1X.qkte7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com << hmm. dd only plays 6-string (that i know of), guys in Korn play 7-strings and Keef plays 5-strings >> Jokes are not to be taken literally. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 16:41:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03535; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 16:39:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 16:39:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB6B9@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: GEAR LUST and CREATIVITY Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 16:37:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C125CA.104A2280" Resent-Message-ID: <-pgpPC.A.l2.o3te7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C125CA.104A2280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" oh. -----Original Message----- From: PaulPokr@aol.com [mailto:PaulPokr@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 1:18 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: GEAR LUST and CREATIVITY << hmm. dd only plays 6-string (that i know of), guys in Korn play 7-strings and Keef plays 5-strings >> Jokes are not to be taken literally. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C125CA.104A2280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: GEAR LUST and CREATIVITY

oh.

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<< hmm. dd only plays 6-string (that i know = of), guys in Korn play 7-strings and Keef plays 5-strings = >>

Jokes are not to be taken literally.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C125CA.104A2280-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 16:45:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04237; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 16:43:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 16:43:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Jamie Drouin (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: SUPER LOOPERS TEE SHIRT OF JOY!!!!!! Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:44:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Slight update to the artwork for the "SUPER LOOPERS TEE SHIRT OF JOY" at: http://www.electrixpro.com/topsecret/tshirt.jpg Best, Jamie. Jamie Drouin Visual Designer Electrix/IVL Technologies Ltd 6710 Bertram Place, Victoria, BC, V8M 1Z6 Canada email... jamie@electrixpro.com fax... 250-544-4102 voice... 250-544-4114 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 16:48:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04643; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 16:46:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 16:46:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.245.109.17] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Northern California Gig Spam Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 20:45:47 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Aug 2001 20:45:47.0124 (UTC) FILETIME=[42BB3B40:01C125CB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Very Cool. Good luck with the show. I finally got to meet Wally on the Solo Bass Looping Tour last month (he drove all the way to Big Sur to see it). Give him my best. Wish I could manage to trip up to SJ.... Max Valentino >From: Doug Lawrence >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: OT: Northern California Gig Spam >Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 07:41:11 -0700 > >Given the level of "bass" enjoyment on the list, I thought some people on >this list may find this gig interesting ... > >------------------------------------------------- >Bassed on Jazz - jazz with 3 basses and drums - nothin' else. All bass, all >the time. >Thursday, August 23, 2001 7:00 p.m. > >Guitar Showcase, >3090 So. Bascom Ave., >San Jose >(408) 377-5864 >www.guitarshowcase.com > >A unique group comprised of three bassists and a drummer, performing their >arrangements of tunes by great jazz composers such as Miles Davis, >Thelonious Monk, Charles Mingus, Duke Ellington, etc. The group consists of >Wally Malone on six-string bass, Kurt Ribak on acoustic string bass, Bill >Noertker on electric fretless bass. > >Trip Wamsley - solo bass >Solo Bass Performance by Gallien/Krueger clinician. For more information >about Trip >http://www.tripwamsley.com > >Also, ALEMBIC founders, Ron & Susan Wickersham. Alembic ushered in the era >of custom electric bass guitars with fine woods and electronics. > >Bring your Alembic bass in for a FREE setup. >--------------------------------------------------- > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 16:51:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05100; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 16:50:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 16:50:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Re: SUPER LOOPERS TEE SHIRT OF JOY!!!!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.5 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 16:54:43 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com HAHAHA that rocks! On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:44:02 -0700 "Jamie Drouin (Electrix)" wrote: > Slight update to the artwork for the "SUPER LOOPERS TEE > SHIRT OF JOY" at: > > http://www.electrixpro.com/topsecret/tshirt.jpg > > > Best, > Jamie. > > > Jamie Drouin > Visual Designer > Electrix/IVL Technologies Ltd > 6710 Bertram Place, Victoria, BC, V8M 1Z6 Canada > > email... jamie@electrixpro.com fax... 250-544-4102 > voice... 250-544-4114 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 17:05:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07733; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:04:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:04:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B7AE527.2E733480@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:12:11 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: GEAR LUST and CREATIVITY References: <9b.197adee1.28ac1684@aol.com> <006601c125ba$8a72ab00$0101a8c0@invisible> <001c01c125bf$6a1ab140$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David Beardsley wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Luigi Meloni > > > Has Dimebag Darrell ever used a 7 strings? Don't remember. Well, a certain > > Adrian Belew did something like that on the last K.C. concert in Rome. And > I > > think some Satriani or some Vai could do as well, but I'm not that certain > > of that, you know, with a floating tremolo it is a harder task to keep the > > remaining strings in tune.... > > Hmmm...wouldn't a violin have the same problem? One > string broken would change the tension on the other three string. > > Yes? No? > > * David Beardsley > * http://biink.com > * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley in theory correct, but in practice, i recall that tuning individual strings on an instrument of the viol family is not as hectic as doing so on a floating-trem equipped guitar, since tho the bridge is suspended, it doesn't ride on springs (insert image of golden gate rising slowly up and down through fog on giant slinkys...); nevertheless i suspect it would throw the other strings a bit (but not a lot) off... lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 17:18:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08950; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:15:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:15:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d801c125d0$8e852400$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> From: "David Beardsley" To: , References: <9b.197adee1.28ac1684@aol.com> <006601c125ba$8a72ab00$0101a8c0@invisible> <001c01c125bf$6a1ab140$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> <3B7AE527.2E733480@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: GEAR LUST and CREATIVITY Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:23:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: lance glover > David Beardsley wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Luigi Meloni > > > > > Has Dimebag Darrell ever used a 7 strings? Don't remember. Well, a certain > > > Adrian Belew did something like that on the last K.C. concert in Rome. And > > I > > > think some Satriani or some Vai could do as well, but I'm not that certain > > > of that, you know, with a floating tremolo it is a harder task to keep the > > > remaining strings in tune.... > > > > Hmmm...wouldn't a violin have the same problem? One > > string broken would change the tension on the other three string. > > > > Yes? No? > > > > * David Beardsley > > * http://biink.com > > * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley > > in theory correct, but in practice, i recall that tuning individual strings on > an instrument of the viol family is not as hectic as doing so on a > floating-trem equipped guitar, since tho the bridge is suspended, it doesn't > ride on springs (insert image of golden gate rising slowly up and down through > fog on giant slinkys...); nevertheless i suspect it would throw the other > strings a bit (but not a lot) off... Exactly as I thought. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 17:18:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08884; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:14:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:14:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.203.84.227] From: "JH" To: References: <020401c125b4$fac54da0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <5sflnt8589jb0v3021n4v8cbgn8n0beith@4ax.com> <002701c125c3$ba6d9a00$6b44230a@melon> Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 16:12:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Aug 2001 21:13:38.0419 (UTC) FILETIME=[26E69C30:01C125CF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Its been said before - non sampling musicians appropriate material such as much as sampling ones, though they just call it an 'influence'. In the case of some, this does come pretty close to the theivery of the sort encounted by sampler artists reusing entires chunks of other peoples songs and selling records because of it. eg. Led Zep and Willie Dixon (I think I;m correct in that reference). I might sample someones song, multilate the sample into a loop which forms a backbone for a track. You can rightly say that my song could not have existed without me copying that persons music. This is no different than a huge amount of music being unable to exist unless people had copied Hendrix, the Beatles or 'their uncle who played violin'. Each of the influences in turn have their dependencies and influences (we live in a connected cosmos afterall! ;-). Pretty straightforward, but loopers and samplers still get a bad rap, whilst musicians who make sure all their influences are obscure and generally unknown get praised for origionality :-). At least samplers who have an obscure record collection don;t get promoted up the ranks of talent because of that - they just get the "where did you get that from?" questions. With music-concrete based genres, the problems of composition and style are as big as ever. Caliban, I like the points in your post. Jamie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 2:51 PM Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) > There's an aesthetic issue and an economic/social one. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 18:16:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16860; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 18:13:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 18:13:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:15:33 -0700 Organization: Darklock Communications Message-ID: References: <020401c125b4$fac54da0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <5sflnt8589jb0v3021n4v8cbgn8n0beith@4ax.com> <002701c125c3$ba6d9a00$6b44230a@melon> In-Reply-To: <002701c125c3$ba6d9a00$6b44230a@melon> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:51:51 -0400, "Michael LaMeyer" wrote: >Economically and socially speaking, it's a different matter >because the ramifications impact real peoples real lives in a >more earthly way. The whole notion of 'intellectual property' >invokes very strong mixed emotions in me. And therein lies the rub. There HAS to be an acceptable middle ground! It's clearly most beneficial to artists from an *artistic* standpoint when they can freely sample and derive from any and all media, but then there's no benefit to creating art -- you make something and say "look what I did!", but then anyone can grab it and run off and do whatever they want with it. When we say it's *okay* for anyone to do whatever they want, we very quickly run into the problem of people running out and doing things we don't like. And when we say it's NOT okay, that you have to have the original artist's permission, we very quickly run into the opposite problem of artists who won't let you do ANYTHING. And that's my main problem with copyright. A lot of the people who own copyrights aren't artists. An artist can be consulted; you can go to an artist and say "I want to do this with your stuff, is that okay?" -- and if the artist likes what you're doing, chances are he's fine with it. But copyright is often held by corporations and heirs who don't have any actual sense of the ART -- only the ownership. Their perception of a sample or a melodic groove is simply that this is a commodity which can be sold, and thus we have notions of audio "theft". It's very neatly circular; if the product didn't have value, you wouldn't have used it. It gets worse. When you combine this notion of art as property with an artistic temperament, many independent artists will not only protect their property rights in a given piece, but also take offense at any effort to license those rights -- objecting that this treats their work as a product which can be bought, and trivialises the artistic value of the work. You can't use it without permission, because this doesn't respect the rights of the author; you can't get permission, because this doesn't respect the sanctity of the art. Luckily, we have the concept of "fair use". Not that it's actually any good until you get to court, but you can usually cast enough doubt on a potential lawsuit to get it dropped as long as you have a reasonably decent argument their lawyers will look at and say "actually, he has a valid legal position". I don't like copyright law as it stands. I think it lends itself too easily to abuses (one of which I perpetrate myself: deliberate exploitation of the nebulous definition of fair use). But copyright law as a concept is absolutely essential to the maintenance of an artistic community at *all* in a capitalist economy. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 19:30:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28969; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 19:28:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 19:28:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: GEAR LUST and CREATIVITY Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 19:26:18 -0500 Message-ID: <01c125ea$11a0a440$d977580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snippet - -----Original Message----- From: mr monk To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 2:23 PM Subject: Re: GEAR LUST and CREATIVITY >yes, but with a fixed bridge, less so than on a tremolo equipped guitar... > ahh, that problem doesn't exist with the transtrem, just lock it in place (whatever place ya wanna be) and have at it. I've done it plenty of times and am sure that anyone else who uses a transtrem would do the same if and when a string heads across the room. best, PedrOOrdeP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 19:51:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30938; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 19:48:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 19:48:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010815194508.007db9a0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 19:45:08 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) In-Reply-To: <7mmjntkdhp0v73ipps54uh3fp487h4hejt@4ax.com> References: <3.0.5.32.20010814201806.007d1e30@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010813234410.007e4850@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010813234410.007e4850@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010814201806.007d1e30@pop.ici.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:21 AM 8/15/01 -0700, you wrote: >All your examples have displayed a fundamental prejudice: you think >sample-based music by definition consists *exclusively* of "play this, >then play that". Is that what you think I think? I don't think that's what I think, at least I don't think so. :-P Actually, I use samples myself quite often. What I was objecting to is the ever-growing trend of reliance upon lengthy, blatant, instantly recognizable chunks of well-known material with little or no original musical input. Your original example did specifically mention layering the samples, but never said one thing about altering them in any way or augmenting them with original material. And I never gave any definitions. >all the sampled >material I use is augmented by layering, effects, and original material. Good! >Your examples trivialise my work/art/product No, my examples were not directed at YOUR music; as I said, I haven't heard YOUR music and am not in a position to comment on it. My examples trivialise the work/art/product of those who rely on extensive, obvious sampling WITHOUT bringing anything original to it. If you feel that this description includes you, I'm sorry. The fictitious conceptual chef's name WAS kind of similar to yours, but again, that was based on the original scenario of rehashing other peoples' work without bringing anything new to the table. >I'm playing "The Sound of Music" and "Rawhide" at the same time through an >effects rack *while* I solo over it. A while back, in reviewing an album I'd played on, an infamously smarmy newspaper critic dissed one of my parts as being derivative of Jimmy Page's solo on 'Over The Hills and Far Away', I guess because they both included a low G being bent up to A... A couple of months later at a show where I was sure the guy would be there, when that part of the tune came up, instead of playing the guitar part I pulled out a little cassette boom box from behind my amp that was all cued up to Page's 'Over the Hills...' solo and held the speaker up to the microphone. It actually fit in pretty well, although nobody had any idea WHY I was doing it, including the rest of the band. How's THAT for an esoteric contextual implication? ;) >(And that food example certainly isn't something *I'd* want to eat.) Me either! >I'd like to take exception to the implication that all sample-based >music is parody, and neither honest nor original. I won't further >belabor that point, but your thinking seems a bit constipated here. If I'd said *all* sample-based music was parody, I'd have to agree with your disgnosis. But that's not at all what I said. >Consider the following [lotsa URLs] Cool! I'll do that later tonight! Thanks for the links! >the *bottom* three are the ones that have garnered the >highest download counts from the general public! While musicians >constantly whine about how sample-based music isn't "really" music, >people certainly seem to like listening to it. Ah, popularity... The Backstreet Boys have sure sold a heap of CDs over the past couple of years. I've heard a lot of their music (my daughter is 8) but it's never really been my cup of tea. My thinking must be constipated, though, because everyone knows album sales are directly proportional to artistic merit. > >>But a whole VERSE?! > >It was the natural endpoint of the vocal. Nobody would think twice if I >sampled eight measures of a drum beat or a melody. EIGHT MEASURES of melody? Sure they would! That's the central gist of what got this whole thread started in the first place! Eight measures of melody, to me at least, constitutes a fairly complete musical statement, and to use it in its full form is very different from snagging the opening Rickenbacker chord from 'A Hard Day's Night' or half a second of James Brown shouting 'Hyaaagh! to use to spice up your own music. While short samples used tastefully can be seen as analogous to punctuation marks, eight continuous measures sampled from pretty nearly ANYTHING is more like appropriating a paragraph or a whole page, hence my original question regarding the extent to which this can be considered your *own* work. Again, as you pointed out in your introduction, these are only opinions... -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 20:05:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA00946; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 20:02:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 20:02:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Repeater shipped today! Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:02:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey all, Repeater has left the building! If there are any doubters out there, you can check out our site for irrefutable evidence that this baby is shipping. Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 20:15:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01965; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 20:12:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 20:12:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010815171054.01c57bc0@mulder.intermag.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.midiwall.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:11:24 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Repeater shipped today! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Damon Langlois (Electrix) (05:02 PM 08/15/01) wrote: >Hey all, >Repeater has left the building! >If there are any doubters out there, you can check out our site for >irrefutable evidence that this baby is shipping. :) So, what's the serial number of the box that Jamie's holding? :) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 20:16:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02119; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 20:13:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 20:13:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Jamie Drouin (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Repeater shipped today! Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:13:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <_1MtZC.A.fg.dAxe7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That would be #002224...really. Jamie Drouin Visual Designer Electrix/IVL Technologies Ltd 6710 Bertram Place, Victoria, BC, V8M 1Z6 Canada email... jamie@electrixpro.com fax... 250-544-4102 voice... 250-544-4114 > ---------- > From: Mark Pulver > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 5:11 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Repeater shipped today! > > Damon Langlois (Electrix) (05:02 PM 08/15/01) wrote: > > >Hey all, > >Repeater has left the building! > >If there are any doubters out there, you can check out our site for > >irrefutable evidence that this baby is shipping. > > :) > > So, what's the serial number of the box that Jamie's holding? > > :) > > > Mark > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 20:22:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03761; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 20:21:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 20:21:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 20:20:56 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: Re: Repeater shipped today! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wonderful. i've had a deposit on one since march, when i was told they would be out in a week. i pitty those that have waiting since last november or whenever the first release date was issued. this should be the ultimate looper! i can't wait! brett >Hey all, >Repeater has left the building! >If there are any doubters out there, you can check out our site for >irrefutable evidence that this baby is shipping. > >Respect, > >Damon Langlois >Creative Director >Electrix >Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 >http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 20:32:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06629; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 20:30:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 20:30:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 20:30:04 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: Re: Repeater shipped today! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i just checked out the site. that's just great! you guys must feel really good about that! congrats! i think this is going to be a revolutionary product. the first line of electrix stuff is simply amazing. now the questions is: what next?? :) whatever it is, you can be sure i am going to wait until they are in the stores before i put any deposits down! no offence.... :) brett - user of maestro echoplexes c.1980's - user of jamman c.late 1990's - waiting for repeater c.2000/1 >Hey all, >Repeater has left the building! >If there are any doubters out there, you can check out our site for >irrefutable evidence that this baby is shipping. > >Respect, > >Damon Langlois >Creative Director >Electrix >Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 >http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 20:38:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08370; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 20:37:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 20:37:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.75] Reply-To: "Greg S" From: "Greg S" To: References: Subject: Re: Repeater shipped today! Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:36:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2001 00:36:15.0770 (UTC) FILETIME=[753F27A0:01C125EB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > i pitty those that have waiting since > last november I've been on Alto's list since Sep. 20. No pity needed. Just a quick shipment. Too bad Electrix couldn't do a drop shipment as I'm on the West Coast. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 20:56:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09753; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 20:53:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 20:53:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010815205024.007dc610@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 20:50:24 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) In-Reply-To: <5sflnt8589jb0v3021n4v8cbgn8n0beith@4ax.com> References: <020401c125b4$fac54da0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <020401c125b4$fac54da0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <2dYFDB.A.PYC.Qmxe7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:19 PM 8/15/01 -0700, you wrote: >I tend to think it's more of a generation gap. Ooh, careful there. The more time I spend on this list the more I'm convinced that chronological age has little to do with a willingness to embrace new technology, at least in the LD microcosm. I'm probably right about in the middle of the list's age range (late 30's), but I'm constantly encountering musicians years older than I am who are on the cutting edge of the new stuff. And I'm afraid we all know too many closed-minded younger players who don't want to know... -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 22:14:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17261; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 22:12:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 22:12:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 19:14:32 -0700 Organization: Darklock Communications Message-ID: <3ramntkkuukfvi8qusmjvehqhodeml5or8@4ax.com> References: <020401c125b4$fac54da0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <020401c125b4$fac54da0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <5sflnt8589jb0v3021n4v8cbgn8n0beith@4ax.com> <3.0.5.32.20010815205024.007dc610@pop.ici.net> In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010815205024.007dc610@pop.ici.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 20:50:24 -0400, Tim Nelson wrote: >At 12:19 PM 8/15/01 -0700, you wrote: >>I tend to think it's more of a generation gap. > >Ooh, careful there. The more time I spend on this list the more I'm >convinced that chronological age has little to do with a willingness to >embrace new technology I was thinking in terms of "next generation technology", not the age of the musician. Those who invested a lot of effort in the piano were annoyed by the next-generation technology of analog modular synths. Those who invested a lot of effort in modulars were annoyed by the all-in-one variety. Those who invested a lot of effort in analog were annoyed by digital. And so on, and so forth. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 22:46:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19265; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 22:45:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 22:45:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.12.105.189] From: "Scott Anderson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater shipped today! Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 02:44:20 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2001 02:44:21.0192 (UTC) FILETIME=[5A1D7C80:01C125FD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't know. Could just be actors with props in front of a blue screen in a studio. Scott Repeater has left the building! If there are any doubters out there, you can check out our site for irrefutable evidence that this baby is shipping. ... Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 23:11:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21857; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 23:10:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 23:10:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007001c12600$73de79a0$15364d0c@fart> From: "klem klemmingberg" To: Subject: OT--overloading pickups? Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 23:06:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006D_01C125DE.E8377300" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C125DE.E8377300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I ask this here because there seem to be so many serious guitar folk on the list: What does the phrase "overloading the pickups" mean? From what I could tell from the context, it seems to be an impedance issue, but I'm = clueless as to what precisely would cause it to occur & what the effects of its = occurrence might be. Thanks T om ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C125DE.E8377300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I ask this here because there seem to be so many=20 serious
guitar folk on the list:
What does the phrase "overloading the pickups" = mean? =20 >From what I could
tell from the context, it seems to be an impedance=20 issue, but I'm clueless
as to what precisely would cause it to occur & = what the=20 effects of its occurrence
might be.
 
Thanks
T om
------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C125DE.E8377300-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 23:13:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22017; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 23:12:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 23:12:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007901c12600$b84268e0$15364d0c@fart> From: "klem klemmingberg" To: Subject: OT correction Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 23:08:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0076_01C125DF.2D8F8640" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0076_01C125DF.2D8F8640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Umm, I meant "loading" the pickups. ------=_NextPart_000_0076_01C125DF.2D8F8640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Umm, I meant "loading" the = pickups.
------=_NextPart_000_0076_01C125DF.2D8F8640-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 23:20:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22715; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 23:18:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 23:18:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 20:23:28 -0700 From: Doug Lawrence Subject: RE: EDP as Sampler In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000401c12602$d1d06490$0382c83f@kinesys12> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have never tried this myself with an EDP or really know how successful you could be with it, but I would say that there are tools that are a little more targeted to sample playback (including manipulation and destruction) like the Yamaha SU200 and Korg ES-1. What makes these particular tools great is that they have non-volatile storage and you can easy load/store new samples on Smart Media which works great with a computer, plus some on board effects and simple sequencing. Put the EDP in the signal chain (before or after) with one of these tools and I think you can do some awesome things. -----Original Message----- From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:healthquestrecruiter@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 10:21 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP as Sampler This is about the more than one loops thread I sarted last night, but more to the point-- What about having audio "loaded" into the EDP and triggering it back as samples using MIDI? Anybody found any satisfaction doing this? Seems like a good way to go--but it ties up the EDP (in some ways) so you can't use it as a live looping instrument (as much). Any folks tried this stuff? (including Andre, Claude, Kim, etc.) Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 00:13:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA32767; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 00:09:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 00:09:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 21:12:06 -0700 Organization: Darklock Communications Message-ID: References: <3.0.5.32.20010813234410.007e4850@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010813234410.007e4850@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010814201806.007d1e30@pop.ici.net> <7mmjntkdhp0v73ipps54uh3fp487h4hejt@4ax.com> <3.0.5.32.20010815194508.007db9a0@pop.ici.net> In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010815194508.007db9a0@pop.ici.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 19:45:08 -0400, Tim Nelson wrote: >At 11:21 AM 8/15/01 -0700, you wrote: >>All your examples have displayed a fundamental prejudice: you think >>sample-based music by definition consists *exclusively* of "play this, >>then play that". > >Is that what you think I think? I don't think that's what I think, at least >I don't think so. :-P Touche. I hate it when people try to tell me what I think, and bitch about it for days whenever it happens. Please accept my apologies; I *should* have said "evidently" or "apparently", at the very least. >What I >was objecting to is the ever-growing trend of reliance upon lengthy, >blatant, instantly recognizable chunks of well-known material with little >or no original musical input. But isn't the selection and juxtaposition of those chunks *potentially* original musical input? Look at Pink Floyd -- the order of the songs on each album is profoundly important to the work as a whole, and has definite musical value. I'll be the first to agree that there's a great deal of no-talent music being made today in EVERY genre, but isn't that directly related to the fact that there's a great deal more music being made today in the first place? >>Your examples trivialise my work/art/product > >No, my examples were not directed at YOUR music; as I said, I haven't heard >YOUR music and am not in a position to comment on it. They were, however, directed at an entire arena of musical effort in which I categorise myself. I don't think I'm THAT much of an exception. I rarely hear *any* music that would fit your examples. >My examples trivialise the work/art/product of those who rely on >extensive, obvious sampling WITHOUT bringing anything original to it. But you've already stated that you don't feel rearranging the samples constitutes originality. Granted, hitting "randomise" in ReCycle or something similar isn't originality, but manually placing each component in a specific place to match an overall vision ought to be. Visual artists recognise altered context as originality. Remember the "Piss Christ"? A photographer dropped a crucifix into a urine specimen and took a picture. Critics were astounded. Christians were offended. Viewers flocked to the exhibition to see it. If it was *just* a crucifix or *just* a urine specimen, nobody would have cared. How is music any different? >How's THAT for an esoteric contextual implication? ;) Pretty damn good. In a recent comic strip I drew, one of the characters asserts that Bavarians always wear pink and brown uniforms, which drew some confused email. It seems only about a half dozen people in the world can identify pink and brown as the company standard colors of Dunkin' Donuts, in which case they might have thought this was funny. I left a lot of people on the curb with that. >>I'd like to take exception to the implication that all sample-based >>music is parody, and neither honest nor original. I won't further >>belabor that point, but your thinking seems a bit constipated here. > >If I'd said *all* sample-based music was parody, I'd have to agree with >your disgnosis. But that's not at all what I said. That's true. You just made a statement *about* parody, which we weren't expressly discussing, thereby implying that you felt we were discussing it. You also made a comparison with "honest, original" composition, thereby implying a difference. >>the *bottom* three are the ones that have garnered the >>highest download counts from the general public! While musicians >>constantly whine about how sample-based music isn't "really" music, >>people certainly seem to like listening to it. > >Ah, popularity... The Backstreet Boys have sure sold a heap of CDs over the >past couple of years. As far as I'm concerned, there's one overriding concern for "is it music", and that is "does it sound good?" -- which is an entirely separate question from whether I *like* it. Not that it matters, since I *do* like the Backstreet Boys, no matter how many fag jokes I make at their expense. ;) Let's actually consider the Backstreet Boys. Everyone hates them for some reason. Why? They sing well, they dance well, the lyrics are well-written if not innovative, the music is well-performed if not groundbreaking, and the production value of each track is nothing short of incredible. The only real argument I've heard against them is that they aren't "real" artists or musicians. But somewhere in the background, there IS a real artist and musician, so does it really *matter* if he was out there on stage? Do I *have* to break new ground and alter the face of music to be considered a musician? Some people don't make music out of noble goals like "artistic merit". They just want to be *heard*. And, of course, other people just want to make money (or achieve some other tangible return). And just like movies, these three different goals can't generally be measured on the same scale. You have the money makers, who are whores. You have the popularity hounds, who are sluts. And you have the artistic merit people, who are chaste. Each group wants to judge the others on its own terms: amount of sales, number of fans, abstract notions of "art". >My thinking must be constipated, >though, because everyone knows album sales are directly proportional to >artistic merit. Such sarcasm! When, of course, the *reality* is that album sales are INVERSELY proportional to artistic merit... right? >>It was the natural endpoint of the vocal. Nobody would think twice if I >>sampled eight measures of a drum beat or a melody. > >EIGHT MEASURES of melody? Sure they would! That's the central gist of what >got this whole thread started in the first place! Eight measures of melody, >to me at least, constitutes a fairly complete musical statement ...commonly referred to as a "phrase". Even if every phrase I use has been used before, the resulting statement of the entire work is still mine. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 00:43:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01760; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 00:39:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 00:39:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: GEAR LUST and CREATIVITY Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 00:43:51 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <9b.197adee1.28ac1684@aol.com> <3B7AE527.2E733480@earthlink.net> <00d801c125d0$8e852400$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> In-Reply-To: <00d801c125d0$8e852400$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01081600435102.03817@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <1i2uJC.A.Qb.n50e7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Um, we seem to be forgetting that a violin is a fretless instrument. Losing one string raises the tension on the remaining strings forcing the musician to modify their fingering. A really proficient player of fretless instruments does this all the time, though to a lesser extent usually, and singers of any proficiency do this constantly without thinking about it. The amazing thing about Perlman was not that he could find and hit an A at 882 Hz when needed, its that he was able to find replacements for notes that he simply could not achieve on a violin whose range may have suddenly been truncated at one end or the other. I say 'may' because the article doesn't state which string broke. In any case, I think the instrument being slightly out of tune is small potatoes when compared to the mental and physical gymnastics it would have taken to completely rearrange a violin concerto on the fly. My two cents, TP On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, David Beardsley wrote: > > in theory correct, but in practice, i recall that tuning individual > > strings on an instrument of the viol family is not as hectic as doing so > > on a floating-trem equipped guitar, since tho the bridge is suspended, it > > doesn't ride on springs (insert image of golden gate rising slowly up and > > down through fog on giant slinkys...); nevertheless i suspect it would > > throw the other strings a bit (but not a lot) off... > > Exactly as I thought. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 01:23:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04715; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 01:22:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 01:22:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B7B5931.F9F86556@tapehissrecordings.com> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 01:25:05 -0400 From: Scott Carr Organization: Tapehiss Recordings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD BA45DSL (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Sex [was Re: Basic intro (OT)] References: <3.0.5.32.20010813234410.007e4850@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010813234410.007e4850@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010814201806.007d1e30@pop.ici.net> <7mmjntkdhp0v73ipps54uh3fp487h4hejt@4ax.com> <3.0.5.32.20010815194508.007db9a0@pop.ici.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I like the sex metaphor, but maybe you're being a bit hard on the 'artistic merit' people. You can still fuck and loop afterall. :) Scott Caliban Tiresias Darklock wrote: > Some people don't make music out of noble goals like "artistic merit". > They just want to be *heard*. And, of course, other people just want to > make money (or achieve some other tangible return). And just like > movies, these three different goals can't generally be measured on the > same scale. You have the money makers, who are whores. You have the > popularity hounds, who are sluts. And you have the artistic merit > people, who are chaste. Each group wants to judge the others on its own > terms: amount of sales, number of fans, abstract notions of "art". -- ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% Visit the the home of Hebephrenic, The Hot Buttered Elves, & Sunshine http://www.tapehissrecordings.com and our sites at the worlds largest online cut-out bin http://mp3.com/hotbutteredelves http://mp3.com/hebephrenica http://mp3.com/sunshineallthetime ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 01:49:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA05921; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 01:48:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 01:48:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010816054758.61755.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 22:47:58 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: GEAR LUST and CREATIVITY To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <5rEAKD.A.McB.P61e7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've heard similar stories about Segovia & Julian Bream - breaking a guitar string & carrying on as if nothing had happened. I've read that Paganini would break violin strings on purpose during a performance for dramatic effect. I'm afraid that my response would be to curl up in a fetal position for 15 minutes & then thank the audience for attending tonight's exhibition of "performance art". John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 02:06:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA07973; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 02:05:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 02:05:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: GEAR LUST and CREATIVITY Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 23:05:29 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20010816054758.61755.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think this previous post might be pertinent-- http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200008/msg00392.html It certainly was an attempt to carry on with a performance under difficult circumstances--but in retrospect it would have been best if I hadn't told anybody I was performing without certain "essential" items! Gary -----Original Message----- From: John Tidwell [mailto:wedgehed@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 10:48 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: GEAR LUST and CREATIVITY I've heard similar stories about Segovia & Julian Bream - breaking a guitar string & carrying on as if nothing had happened. I've read that Paganini would break violin strings on purpose during a performance for dramatic effect. I'm afraid that my response would be to curl up in a fetal position for 15 minutes & then thank the audience for attending tonight's exhibition of "performance art". John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 02:36:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA09316; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 02:35:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 02:35:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 23:27:12 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: GEAR LUST and CREATIVITY In-reply-to: <20010816054758.61755.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20010816054758.61755.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:47 PM -0700 8/15/01, John Tidwell wrote: >I've heard similar stories about Segovia & Julian >Bream - breaking a guitar string & carrying on as if >nothing had happened. I've read that Paganini would >break violin strings on purpose during a performance >for dramatic effect. > >I'm afraid that my response would be to curl up in >a fetal position for 15 minutes & then thank the >audience for attending tonight's exhibition of >"performance art". Our band always reserved "Wooly Bully" for those occasions - just long enough for the lead guitarist to replace a string. But in my post-rock period I was like you - I'd hit the deck and twitch. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 02:43:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA09775; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 02:42:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 02:42:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004001c1261e$a23f0d00$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20010813234410.007e4850@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010813234410.007e4850@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010814201806.007d1e30@pop.ici.net> <7mmjntkdhp0v73ipps54uh3fp487h4hejt@4ax.com> <3.0.5.32.20010815194508.007db9a0@pop.ici.net> <3B7B5931.F9F86556@tapehissrecordings.com> Subject: Re: Sex [was Re: Basic intro (OT)] Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 07:42:30 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm sure that people were arguing about painting like this back when Impressionism was coming up. As long as people keep asking "What the @#$ is Art?" I think Art will still be interesting, and providing people with stuff they didn't expect. The introduction of new technology, just like faster-drying paint, always brings a new crop of people into the fold - some of which fade into obscurity or mediocrity, and some whose work lasts; all of these folks have different motivations for doing whatever it is. And yes, I've found it a great deal of fun in the past to create, after sex. Studies have shown that the endorphines/etc flowing about in the aftermath can encourage creativity. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.live365.com/stations/218194 * EarthLight Online / Live! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Carr" To: Sent: 16 August 2001 06:25 AM Subject: Sex [was Re: Basic intro (OT)] > I like the sex metaphor, but maybe you're being a bit hard on the > 'artistic merit' people. You can still fuck and loop afterall. > > :) > > Scott > > Caliban Tiresias Darklock wrote: > > > Some people don't make music out of noble goals like "artistic merit". > > They just want to be *heard*. And, of course, other people just want to > > make money (or achieve some other tangible return). And just like > > movies, these three different goals can't generally be measured on the > > same scale. You have the money makers, who are whores. You have the > > popularity hounds, who are sluts. And you have the artistic merit > > people, who are chaste. Each group wants to judge the others on its own > > terms: amount of sales, number of fans, abstract notions of "art". > > > -- > ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% > Visit the the home of Hebephrenic, The Hot Buttered Elves, & Sunshine > > http://www.tapehissrecordings.com > > and our sites at the worlds largest online cut-out bin > > http://mp3.com/hotbutteredelves > http://mp3.com/hebephrenica > http://mp3.com/sunshineallthetime > ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 03:03:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA11917; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 03:02:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 03:02:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sex [was Re: Basic intro (OT)] Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 00:04:22 -0700 Organization: Darklock Communications Message-ID: References: <3.0.5.32.20010813234410.007e4850@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010814201806.007d1e30@pop.ici.net> <7mmjntkdhp0v73ipps54uh3fp487h4hejt@4ax.com> <3.0.5.32.20010815194508.007db9a0@pop.ici.net> <3B7B5931.F9F86556@tapehissrecordings.com> In-Reply-To: <3B7B5931.F9F86556@tapehissrecordings.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 01:25:05 -0400, Scott Carr wrote: >I like the sex metaphor, but maybe you're being a bit hard on the >'artistic merit' people. You can still fuck and loop afterall. I was going to say "masturbating", but I decided to be nice. ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 03:47:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA13697; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 03:44:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 03:44:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010816003847.00ac3e58@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 00:43:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: EDP Audio Path In-Reply-To: <00c901c125ae$c59afa90$6501a8c0@stevespc> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010815100422.00a95e88@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think they mostly all work like that, to some extent or another. I don't think anybody would design a looper in such a way that everybody had to use it with a mixer for even the most simple applications. kim At 10:21 AM 8/15/2001, M. Steven Ginn wrote: >Thanks Kim. > >Do all looping devices operate in this way, or do some require some type >of direct path to be maintained so that if looping isn't desired, the >original sound will be heard? > >Steve > > > At 06:37 AM 8/15/2001, M. Steven Ginn wrote: > > >I was wondering, if the EDP is placed in the audio patch in > > series (for > > >example, after compresssion and before effects), how is the signal > > >passed through while the EDP is not being used? Is it necessary to > > >have another channel that is unaffected (non-looped) routed > > around the > > >EDP so as to bypass the EDP if desired? Or does the EDP > > have a bypass > > >switch like other types of effects processors? > > > > there is a direct path and a loop path. the two are mixed > > together at the > > output, and the levels of each are controlled by the "Mix" > > knob on the > > front. So for simple applications you don't need a mixer. > > (there are also > > input and output volume controls.) ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 04:10:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA16077; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 04:08:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 04:08:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010816004509.02d8c008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 01:06:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Stereo EDP In-Reply-To: <016b01c12594$97d746a0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <003201c124f9$7b365720$37dc1ad8@internet> <00fa01c124ff$6069ee60$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <000c01c12509$b9ac6160$e7dd1ad8@internet> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:14 AM 8/15/2001, Dennis Leas wrote: >Hummmm....Gerry's message regarding his stereo EDP operational problems make >me think about how stereo operation works for the EDP... > >Using the EFC-7 footswitch (or equivalent) or front panel switch, you tap >RECORD on the master EDP. The master sends a MIDI note-on/off to the slave >to start recording. Likewise, to stop recording, you tap RECORD on the >master EDP and it sends a MIDI note-on/off to the slave to stop the >recording. that is mostly right, but you are forgetting about the brothersync connection that is necessary for putting multiple echoplexes together like this. It does two things, one is to synchronize the actual system clocks of the different units to operate at the same frequency. That keeps them from drifting over time. The second thing is to provide a precise indication of when the Record button is pressed. That combined with midi is how the stereo operation works. >Since MIDI commands take about 1 millisecond (a little less actually) to >transmit, doesn't this mean that there is a phase difference between the >left and right channel? I.e., the slave signal will be shifted in phase >with respect to the right. if you relied entirely on midi, you would have these problems. Worse, it would drift around as the loops played, making it obvious. If the two channels are slightly out of phase you probably wouldn't notice it if it stayed constant. That is something the brothersync helps ensure on a stereo echoplex setup. It keeps them locked together at the sample level. >Even with *real* clever programming, this characteristic would be hard to >compensate for. Matthias has been quite clever in sorting this whole problem out. It really does work! >On the other hand, if you used a MIDI footswitch to trigger the EDPs, both >master and slave would recieve the RECORD commands simultaneously resulting >in no phase error. > >Conclusion: For "perfect" stereo looping with the EDP, use a MIDI >footswitch. I think it could come out worse actually, since you are dependent on where each unit is in it's internal software polling for midi events. And you wouldn't have Matthias' clever programming to help you. In practice though, I don't think I noticed any issues either way. The basic setup of having the master unit send commands to the slave, along with the brothersync connections, works very well. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 05:01:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA19431; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 05:00:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 05:00:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010101c12632$53c4a0e0$0200a8c0@erdem> Reply-To: "erdem helvacioglu" From: "erdem helvacioglu" To: Subject: Electroacoustical weirdness Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:03:17 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00FE_01C1264B.6F3791C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00FE_01C1264B.6F3791C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you want to listen to experimental electroacoustical pieces, feel=20 free to check out my web site at http://erdemhelvacioglu.iuma.com Be sure to check out "Nemrut'un tepesinden" for the use of Access virus = b=20 and Emu Audity 2000. 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------=_NextPart_000_00FE_01C1264B.6F3791C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 06:19:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA23211; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 06:18:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 06:18:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c1263c$9f826260$074628d5@nigel> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: "erdem helvacioglu" , References: <010101c12632$53c4a0e0$0200a8c0@erdem> Subject: Re: Electroacoustical weirdness Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 11:17:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Erdem, I didn't find it that weird - just thoroughly enjoyable and quite beautiful in places. More please! Gareth If you want to listen to experimental electroacoustical pieces, feel free to check out my web site at http://erdemhelvacioglu.iuma.com Be sure to check out "Nemrut'un tepesinden" for the use of Access virus b and Emu Audity 2000. You can post your comments directly to erdemhel@turk.net Thanks a lot and enjoy. Erdem Helvacioglu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 07:01:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA24525; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 06:58:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 06:58:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B7BA7DD.60F8E45C@cloud9.net> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 07:00:45 -0400 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater shipped today! References: <200108160747.DAA13817@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4xzrmD.A.t-F.Hd6e7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com After reading this, then going to look at the pics, I kept flashing on a marvelous synth called the "Bahn Sage" which *still* isn't shipping yet <g>

Elby (who's seriously bummed that he's in the *second* group of Repeater buyers at Alto)
 

 
Subject: Re: Repeater shipped today!
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 02:44:20
From: "Scott Anderson" <scott_c_anderson@hotmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
I don't know.  Could just be actors with props in front of a blue screen in 
a studio.
Scott

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 08:41:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA31233; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 08:39:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 08:39:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Live Recording from Asheville To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.6 Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 08:42:31 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000e01c1263c$9f826260$074628d5@nigel> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Live in Asheville, NC hope you enjoy it extremely quiet at times tis a huge mp3 thanks c http://www.magicicada.com/magicicada-live-asheville-07-06-01.mp3 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 08:50:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA31840; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 08:48:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 08:48:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Live Recording New York, New York To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.6 Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 08:52:11 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com this was the first time any of us meet-let alone played together- jay on synth vortex and radios tiffany on vocals/live vocal loops me on waterphone sampler filterbank live loopers and toys http://www.magicicada.com/magicicada-live-nyc-07-12-01.mp3 13 minutes long From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 08:55:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA32300; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 08:54:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 08:54:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <112.3477e13.28ad1c67@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 08:53:59 EDT Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com caliban@darklock.com writes: >I tend to think it's more of a generation gap. Each generation of >technology provides simpler ways to make music. The previous generation, >being jealous, claims the music isn't "real". wauuuuuuuugh..... that set of blanket-statements is simply untrue, & displays a certain narrowness-of-vision that seems misaligned w/the previous expressions of yer verbal/intellectual faculties. (the horse is dead; long live the horse). best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 09:33:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA03130; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:32:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:32:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:33:02 -0500 Subject: Re: Repeater shipped today! From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com has anyone gotten a notice from alto music about availablity or price? i signed up for the group buy in september, but haven't heard a peep. just wondering.... monk on 8/15/01 9:44 PM, Scott Anderson at scott_c_anderson@hotmail.com wrote: > I don't know. Could just be actors with props in front of a blue screen in > a studio. > Scott > > Repeater has left the building! If there are any doubters out there, you can > check out our site for irrefutable evidence that this baby is shipping. > .... > Damon Langlois > Creative Director > Electrix > Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 > http://www.electrixpro.com > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 09:45:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA03953; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:43:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:43:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007a01c12658$ceaee330$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <003201c124f9$7b365720$37dc1ad8@internet> <00fa01c124ff$6069ee60$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <000c01c12509$b9ac6160$e7dd1ad8@internet> <5.1.0.14.0.20010816004509.02d8c008@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Stereo EDP Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 08:39:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > that is mostly right, but you are forgetting about the brothersync > connection that is necessary for putting multiple echoplexes together like > this. It does two things, one is to synchronize the actual system clocks of > the different units to operate at the same frequency. That keeps them from > drifting over time. The second thing is to provide a precise indication of > when the Record button is pressed. That combined with midi is how the > stereo operation works. Thanks, Kim! I did not realize the BrotherSync connection did so much! I thought it communicated only clock data. Cool! Again, I am amazed at the superb design/engineering of the EDP. I know of few other products which have such a long lifespan without redesign AND still perform at the top of their class (maybe oatmeal and FTP). Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 09:48:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04448; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:47:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:47:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008501c12659$686a8240$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Repeater shipped today! Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 08:43:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My sincere CONGRATULATIONS, Damon, to you and all of the Electrix Repeater folks! Hope y'all did some partyin'! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 10:00:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05738; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:58:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:58:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Todd Quincy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP as Sampler Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:54:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1265A.F6077300" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1265A.F6077300 Content-Type: text/plain I use a Roland MS1 to play pre planned loops. They're cheap (used) use flash media (no so cheap) and are easy to use. I'm sure their functions are limited compared to other samplers, but my guess is they are as powerful as most of us need. If anyone uses an MS1 or similar unit, I would like to know how the can EDP interact via midi or is the analog and manual operation (ie finger touches pad, pad tiggers sound) the only option. "don't break the law when you're breaking the law" openjam.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Lawrence [SMTP:dlawren@pacbell.net] > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 11:23 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: EDP as Sampler > > > I have never tried this myself with an EDP or really know how successful > you > could be with it, but I would say that there are tools that are a little > more targeted to sample playback (including manipulation and destruction) > like the Yamaha SU200 and Korg ES-1. > > What makes these particular tools great is that they have non-volatile > storage and you can easy load/store new samples on Smart Media which works > great with a computer, plus some on board effects and simple sequencing. > > Put the EDP in the signal chain (before or after) with one of these tools > and I think you can do some awesome things. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:healthquestrecruiter@earthlink.net] > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 10:21 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: EDP as Sampler > > > This is about the more than one loops thread I sarted last night, but more > to the point-- > What about having audio "loaded" into the EDP and triggering it back as > samples using MIDI? Anybody found any satisfaction doing this? Seems > like > a good way to go--but it ties up the EDP (in some ways) so you can't use > it > as a live looping instrument (as much). > Any folks tried this stuff? (including Andre, Claude, Kim, etc.) > Gary ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1265A.F6077300 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: EDP as Sampler

I use a Roland  = MS1 to play pre planned loops. They're cheap (used) use flash media (no = so cheap) and are easy to use. I'm sure their functions are limited = compared to other samplers, but my guess is they are as powerful as = most of us need.

If anyone uses an = MS1 or similar unit, I would like to know how the can EDP interact via = midi or is the analog and manual operation (ie finger touches pad, pad = tiggers sound) the only option.

"don't break = the law when you're breaking the law"
openjam.com
 

    -----Original Message-----
    From:   Doug Lawrence [SMTP:dlawren@pacbell.net]
    Sent:   Wednesday, August 15, 2001 11:23 PM
    To:     Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject:       = RE: EDP as Sampler


    I have never tried this myself = with an EDP or really know how successful you
    could be with it, but I would = say that there are tools that are a little
    more targeted to sample = playback (including manipulation and destruction)
    like the Yamaha SU200 and Korg = ES-1.

    What makes these particular = tools great is that they have non-volatile
    storage and you can easy = load/store new samples on Smart Media which works
    great with a computer, plus = some on board effects and simple sequencing.

    Put the EDP in the signal chain = (before or after) with one of these tools
    and I think you can do some = awesome things.

    -----Original = Message-----
    From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:healthquestrec= ruiter@earthlink.net]
    Sent: Wednesday, August 15, = 2001 10:21 AM
    To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: EDP as Sampler


    This is about the more than one = loops thread I sarted last night, but more
    to the point--
    What about having audio = "loaded" into the EDP and triggering it back as
    samples using MIDI?  = Anybody found any satisfaction doing this?  Seems like
    a good way to go--but it ties = up the EDP (in some ways) so you can't use it
    as a live looping instrument = (as much).
    Any folks tried this = stuff?  (including Andre, Claude, Kim, etc.)
    Gary

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1265A.F6077300-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 10:02:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07146; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 10:01:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 10:01:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JHKNICKS@aol.com Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 10:00:54 EDT Subject: Re: Repeater shipped today! To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <39.193c69fc.28ad2c16@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't worry-The 2nd batch is shipping in 3 -5 days! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 11:59:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16865; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 11:55:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 11:55:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 08:56:50 -0700 Organization: Darklock Communications Message-ID: References: <112.3477e13.28ad1c67@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <112.3477e13.28ad1c67@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 08:53:59 EDT, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: >caliban@darklock.com writes: >>I tend to think it's more of a generation gap. Each generation of >>technology provides simpler ways to make music. The previous generation, >>being jealous, claims the music isn't "real". > >wauuuuuuuugh..... >that set of blanket-statements is simply untrue, Okay, now that you've said "you're wrong and you're stupid", perhaps you could tell me exactly which set of blanket statements you have a problem with. I tagged the whole thing as my opinion, cited examples from my own experience, and noted that it wasn't a universal truth. To my knowledge, the only *real* blanket statement in that post was "Everyone gets to a point where they can't do something." -- and if you have evidence to refute this, you should probably be calling newspapers. Now, if you *don't* think the "it's not real music" argument stems primarily from a combination of existing investment in prior technology and inability or unwillingness to comprehend and adapt to new technology, I'd like to hear your theories. They'd probably be the first new thing I've heard on the subject in years. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 12:12:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18829; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:11:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:11:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010816120740.09174660@pop1.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:09:58 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: repeater shipment question In-Reply-To: References: <112.3477e13.28ad1c67@aol.com> <112.3477e13.28ad1c67@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the pictures on the electrix web site show a skid of 30 boxes each which look like they hold 6 units. that's 180 units. is that all that was loaded into the truck?? :) but seriously, how many units shipped out? damon? brett From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 12:33:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20157; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:31:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:31:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B7BF539.5F09D0EA@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:30:49 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) References: <112.3477e13.28ad1c67@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >caliban@darklock.com writes: >>I tend to think it's more of a generation gap. Each generation of >>technology provides simpler ways to make music. The previous generation, >>being jealous, claims the music isn't "real". I have to agree with David. I took a 10 year break in school after a year of The Institute of Audio Research, and returned to find that I was by far the most technologicaly advanced student in the school. No doubt in my mind. Sure, it was Syracuse University, but it was chock full with downstaters and people from suburban NJ and Conneticut. There were a few others doing electronic music, but if they were any representation of "your generation," it would seem to me that the "kids" are not embracing the new technology. Is that totally true? Of course not. I'm sure there are pleanty of people at all ages using technology and ignoring it. I know that I would not have had the cash for this gear when I was in highschool. (btw, turntables, although they seem new, have been around for a while ;^0) One of the weird things is that most of the people I meet, who are into undergound or progressive music, tend to be 30 and up. An 18 year old S.U. student that used to tease me about my age (I'm 36) came to me one day and announced that she found out that I was the same age as her music hero Trent Reznor. ha ha Since Syracuse, I moved to the SF Bay area and worked in the digital media lab for The San Francisco Art Institute, one of the best art schools in the U.S., and I found the exact same thing there. I bit more students seemed to be comfortable in using computer technology in the visual and aural arts, but not a whole lot. In my private life, it seems like most of the people doing tech based music that I know are in "my" generation (smash guitar) Now pipe down or I'll wack you with my cane! Mark Sottilaro (36) hey, let's take a looper's age poll! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 12:37:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20401; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:35:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:35:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 11:36:32 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00a601c12671$a4cc31d0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <112.3477e13.28ad1c67@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm not dt, and i don't play one on tv. i'm sure he's capable of defending himself, but i had to step in here. i think you are getting unnecessarily defensive. >Okay, now that you've said "you're wrong and you're stupid", while i do think he implied that you were wrong, he did not say you are stupid. in fact, he implied that your previous posts were more intelligent: "...that seems misaligned w/the previous expressions of yer verbal/intellectual faculties..." if you think someone is stupid because they are wrong, then you are,... well... wrong. i bring this up because i often am accused of calling people stupid when i have done no such thing. > perhaps you > could tell me exactly which set of blanket statements you have a problem > with... blanket statement #1: >"Each generation of technology provides simpler ways to make music" is anything simpler than whacking two sticks together. maybe singing? blanket statement #2: >"The previous generation, being jealous..." the previous generation of technology is jealous? older people are jealous of younger people? users of older technology are jealous? anyway you slice it, a blanket statement... blanket statement #3: "...claims the music isn't "real". " a whole generation of people (or users, or technology) can't make any claim. please don't take this as an attack. i am enjoying your posts... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 13:21:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24410; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:18:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:18:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PaulPokr@aol.com Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:17:42 EDT Subject: Repeater Foot Controller To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, all: I know somewhere in the murky past, this topic was discussed, but what are folks gonna use to control this beast? Unfortunately, I just sold my Yamaha MFC-10 MIDI Pedal. 'Guess I'll be buyin' another MIDI controller. Regards, Paul Richard (ASE) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 13:23:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24633; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:21:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:21:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010816131912.02f26e90@pop1.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:20:54 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: Re: Repeater Foot Controller In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ive been debating about this with myself and i think i will start out with a 3-button footpedal. i would prefer to make one instead of shelling out $50US for a new one. can anyone help with that. i have been researching midi controllers and the ART X15 looks good. brett At 01:17 PM 8/16/2001, you wrote: >Hey, all: > >I know somewhere in the murky past, this topic was discussed, but what are >folks gonna use to control this beast? > >Unfortunately, I just sold my Yamaha MFC-10 MIDI Pedal. 'Guess I'll be >buyin' another MIDI controller. > >Regards, > >Paul Richard (ASE) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 13:34:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25343; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:31:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:31:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 10:33:19 -0700 Organization: Darklock Communications Message-ID: References: <112.3477e13.28ad1c67@aol.com> <00a601c12671$a4cc31d0$080210ac@jpalmer> In-Reply-To: <00a601c12671$a4cc31d0$080210ac@jpalmer> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 11:36:32 -0500, jim palmer wrote: >i think you are getting unnecessarily defensive. I tend to do that. ;) >>Okay, now that you've said "you're wrong and you're stupid", > >while i do think he implied that you were wrong, he did not say you are >stupid. The restatement was intended to be light-hearted, not accusatory. I apologise for any perception that I was angry about something. >> perhaps you >> could tell me exactly which set of blanket statements you have a problem >> with... > >blanket statement #1: >>"Each generation of technology provides simpler ways to make music" >is anything simpler than whacking two sticks together. >maybe singing? Absolutely. Whacking two sticks together produces a very limited series of sounds. When "sticks on logs" was presented, producing the first rudimentary xylophone, a larger number of notes could be produced. Singing requires a great deal of training and practice. When "blowing through a shell" was presented, pleasant sounds could be made with much less effort. Technology simplifies the process of making music. It provides more capability with less training. That's the entire point of applying it. The statement is certainly not "simply untrue". >blanket statement #2: >>"The previous generation, being jealous..." >the previous generation of technology is jealous? >older people are jealous of younger people? >users of older technology are jealous? I noticed this. It's probably the major foundation of the "age" arguments; it's also a perfect example of "apply common sense". Obviously, the intended meaning is USERS OF the previous generation. A misstatement, but hardly a logical error. Once again, certainly not "simply untrue". >anyway you slice it, a blanket statement... Wrong. "This isn't a universal truth, of course." It was never intended to be a blanket statement, and I specifically noted that in the original post. >blanket statement #3: >"...claims the music isn't "real". " >a whole generation of people (or users, or technology) can't make any claim. However, a substantive portion of those people can and will have common beliefs and opinions which constitute an implied claim. And, of course, certainly not "simply untrue". From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 13:52:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26355; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:51:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:51:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008f01c1267b$3ca84c60$6b44230a@melon> From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <112.3477e13.28ad1c67@aol.com> <00a601c12671$a4cc31d0$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: OT: Basic intro (OT) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:45:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <5os5AB.A.gbG.pfAf7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com *getting popcorn* *^P ----- Original Message ----- From: "Caliban Tiresias Darklock" To: Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 1:33 PM Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) > On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 11:36:32 -0500, jim palmer wrote: > > >i think you are getting unnecessarily defensive. > > I tend to do that. ;) > > >>Okay, now that you've said "you're wrong and you're stupid", > > > >while i do think he implied that you were wrong, he did not say you are > >stupid. > > The restatement was intended to be light-hearted, not accusatory. I > apologise for any perception that I was angry about something. > > >> perhaps you > >> could tell me exactly which set of blanket statements you have a problem > >> with... > > > >blanket statement #1: > >>"Each generation of technology provides simpler ways to make music" > >is anything simpler than whacking two sticks together. > >maybe singing? > > Absolutely. > > Whacking two sticks together produces a very limited series of sounds. > When "sticks on logs" was presented, producing the first rudimentary > xylophone, a larger number of notes could be produced. > > Singing requires a great deal of training and practice. When "blowing > through a shell" was presented, pleasant sounds could be made with much > less effort. > > Technology simplifies the process of making music. It provides more > capability with less training. That's the entire point of applying it. > > The statement is certainly not "simply untrue". > > >blanket statement #2: > >>"The previous generation, being jealous..." > >the previous generation of technology is jealous? > >older people are jealous of younger people? > >users of older technology are jealous? > > I noticed this. It's probably the major foundation of the "age" > arguments; it's also a perfect example of "apply common sense". > Obviously, the intended meaning is USERS OF the previous generation. A > misstatement, but hardly a logical error. Once again, certainly not > "simply untrue". > > >anyway you slice it, a blanket statement... > > Wrong. "This isn't a universal truth, of course." It was never intended > to be a blanket statement, and I specifically noted that in the original > post. > > >blanket statement #3: > >"...claims the music isn't "real". " > >a whole generation of people (or users, or technology) can't make any claim. > > However, a substantive portion of those people can and will have common > beliefs and opinions which constitute an implied claim. And, of course, > certainly not "simply untrue". > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 14:03:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28394; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:02:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:02:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Re: OT: Basic intro (OT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.5 Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:06:12 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008f01c1267b$3ca84c60$6b44230a@melon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com *getting pillow and night shades* > *getting popcorn* > > *^P > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Caliban Tiresias Darklock" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 1:33 PM > Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) > > > > On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 11:36:32 -0500, jim palmer > wrote: > > > > >i think you are getting unnecessarily defensive. > > > > I tend to do that. ;) > > > > >>Okay, now that you've said "you're wrong and you're > stupid", > > > > > >while i do think he implied that you were wrong, he > did not > say you are > > >stupid. > > > > The restatement was intended to be light-hearted, not > accusatory. I > > apologise for any perception that I was angry about > something. > > > > >> perhaps you > > >> could tell me exactly which set of blanket > statements you > have a problem > > >> with... > > > > > >blanket statement #1: > > >>"Each generation of technology provides simpler ways > to make > music" > > >is anything simpler than whacking two sticks together. > > >maybe singing? > > > > Absolutely. > > > > Whacking two sticks together produces a very limited > series of > sounds. > > When "sticks on logs" was presented, producing the > first > rudimentary > > xylophone, a larger number of notes could be produced. > > > > Singing requires a great deal of training and practice. > When > "blowing > > through a shell" was presented, pleasant sounds could > be made > with much > > less effort. > > > > Technology simplifies the process of making music. It > provides > more > > capability with less training. That's the entire point > of > applying it. > > > > The statement is certainly not "simply untrue". > > > > >blanket statement #2: > > >>"The previous generation, being jealous..." > > >the previous generation of technology is jealous? > > >older people are jealous of younger people? > > >users of older technology are jealous? > > > > I noticed this. It's probably the major foundation of > the > "age" > > arguments; it's also a perfect example of "apply common > sense". > > Obviously, the intended meaning is USERS OF the > previous > generation. A > > misstatement, but hardly a logical error. Once again, > certainly not > > "simply untrue". > > > > >anyway you slice it, a blanket statement... > > > > Wrong. "This isn't a universal truth, of course." It > was never > intended > > to be a blanket statement, and I specifically noted > that in > the original > > post. > > > > >blanket statement #3: > > >"...claims the music isn't "real". " > > >a whole generation of people (or users, or technology) > can't > make any claim. > > > > However, a substantive portion of those people can and > will > have common > > beliefs and opinions which constitute an implied claim. > And, > of course, > > certainly not "simply untrue". > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 14:47:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31552; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:45:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:45:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <18.10d6d0dd.28ad6e8b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:44:27 EDT Subject: Honey Barbara "I-10 & W. Ave." cd To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: <3s4-4D.A.xrH.aSBf7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Seriously, this time. For a free copy go to: www.emigre.com. Under the "Magazine" row of links click, "Subscriptions." Then click the "US" link on the next page. There's a survey/questionarre. fill it out and it mails in November. Any questions. Please contact me. Thanks, James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 14:54:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA32339; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:52:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:52:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a201c12684$958f0040$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <200108140722.DAA21772@hemlock.violacea.com> <003d01c124a9$b60a8420$0743f93f@dnlsh01> Subject: Music Online Competition Act of 2001 - Update Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 19:52:21 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com According to the San Diego Daily Transcript, via the Yahoo site at http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/sddt/20010806/lo/federal_lawmakers_consider_mea ns_to_regulate_online_music_1.html , mp3.com is in support of this bill, which is interesting given the recent finding by Alex on LD, that mp3.com is stripping the ID Tag data on MP3 files submitted to its system, including the copyright data, year, genre and URL, the last of which being replaced with mp3.com's main page address, instead of the actual page the MP3 file comes from. The Artist Name and Track Title fields are being re-filled in I assume from the field fillins one does when the MP3 file is uploaded to mp3.com. According to the article above, the RIAA is now against this pending legislation, though the statement they've made was dated today. Given the speed of statements from RIAA's Hilary Rosen in the past, it's strange that it wouldn't be until today - the bill was first introduced last Friday - that an official statement was made. As it is Hilary Rosen's statement is brief, and not what one would think is precise at best, and it is in full at http://www.riaa.com/PR_story.cfm?id=442 - "Many in the industry will fight this bill aggressively because we know that the marketplace is already moving in the right direction and that consumers will be served well by both the current and coming plans for online music services." So was this a changearound for RIAA after the already-revealed contact with the Copyright Office, concerning fees paid to composers/artists specifically for online play? Or was it just an unusually-delayed statement? One wonders indeed, but Rosen's statement is no guarantee that the bill will be struck down. I then repeat my request for those of you who care about this to contact your Congressal Representative and voice your objection to the Music Online Competition Act of 2001, via http://www.house.gov/ - It's your music. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.live365.com/stations/218194 * EarthLight Online / Live! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 15:06:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01556; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:04:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:04:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:05:30 -0700 Organization: Darklock Communications Message-ID: References: <112.3477e13.28ad1c67@aol.com> <3B7BF539.5F09D0EA@zerocrossing.net> In-Reply-To: <3B7BF539.5F09D0EA@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:30:49 -0700, Mark wrote: >>caliban@darklock.com writes: >>>I tend to think it's more of a generation gap. Each generation of >>>technology provides simpler ways to make music. The previous generation, >>>being jealous, claims the music isn't "real". [...] >I'm sure there are pleanty of people at >all ages using technology and ignoring it. Dammit, each generation OF TECHNOLOGY. Not of *people*. Gaaggh. >hey, let's take a looper's age poll! Caliban Tiresias Darklock, 31. It's NOT about age. Most of my "that's not real music" critics are in their late teens and early twenties. It's only about WHERE YOU LEARNED, not when you learned it or how old you were or even whether it was the first thing you learned. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 15:17:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02361; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:15:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:15:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB6CB@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Basic intro (OT) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:13:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C12687.88EE17B0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12687.88EE17B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dammit, each generation OF TECHNOLOGY. Not of *people*. Gaaggh. ** okay, so you're saying . . . Caliban Tiresias Darklock, 31. It's NOT about age. Most of my "that's not real music" critics are in their late teens and early twenties. It's only about WHERE YOU LEARNED, not when you learned it or how old you were or even whether it was the first thing you learned. ** okay, i'm old - -we'll just let it go at that. i've noticed that there is an amazing amount of people of the late teens and early twenties who area really into "classic rock." mind-boggling in my view. but then there are a bunch of people in that same age group who are getting into different stuff. overall, the "different stuff" genre is a very small niche. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12687.88EE17B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Basic intro (OT)

Dammit, each generation OF TECHNOLOGY. Not of = *people*. Gaaggh.

** okay, so you're saying . . .


Caliban Tiresias Darklock, 31. It's NOT about age. = Most of my "that's
not real music" critics are in their late teens = and early twenties. It's
only about WHERE YOU LEARNED, not when you learned = it or how old you
were or even whether it was the first thing you = learned.

** okay, i'm old - -we'll just let it go at that. =

i've noticed that there is an amazing amount of = people of the late teens and early twenties who area really into = "classic rock." mind-boggling in my view. but then there are = a bunch of people in that same age group who are getting into different = stuff. overall, the "different stuff" genre is a very small = niche.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C12687.88EE17B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 15:22:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02667; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:20:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:20:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.6 Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:24:17 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com BLAH! I would hope people would not give a fick about what I use and concentrate more on the qualities of the music and how it makes them feel or think. I am not concerened if The Carter Family recorded to a grundig or tascam--just as i could give two hoots that chris carter used a micromoog or a korg ms20 on Hamburger Lady by Throbbing Gristle- Tin cans-popsicle sticks-donkey chops and samplers are all fine tools lets all hold hands and jump into the void together- if you want to know the truth Mississippi Fred Mcdowell speaks to me just as much as Autechre or Swans etc... it is all communication we all just use a different languages or gestures- ya know- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 15:23:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02768; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:21:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:21:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c201c12688$9f978680$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <18.10d6d0dd.28ad6e8b@aol.com> Subject: MOCA 2001 Update on page Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 20:21:15 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Resent-Message-ID: <1285iB.A.Ar.r0Bf7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Shoulda done this first. Ooops. http://www.earthlight.net/Thoughts002.html Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.live365.com/stations/218194 * EarthLight Online / Live! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 15:27:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03216; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:25:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:25:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B7C1F52.820ABADF@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:35:24 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT GEAR LUST and CREATIVITY References: <9b.197adee1.28ac1684@aol.com> <3B7AE527.2E733480@earthlink.net> <00d801c125d0$8e852400$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> <01081600435102.03817@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Todd Pafford wrote: > Um, we seem to be forgetting that a violin is a fretless instrument. Losing > one string raises the tension on the remaining strings forcing the musician > to modify their fingering. A really proficient player of fretless > instruments does this all the time, though to a lesser extent usually, and > singers of any proficiency do this constantly without thinking about it. > > The amazing thing about Perlman was not that he could find and hit an A at > 882 Hz when needed, its that he was able to find replacements for notes that > he simply could not achieve on a violin whose range may have suddenly been > truncated at one end or the other. I say 'may' because the article doesn't > state which string broke. > > In any case, I think the instrument being slightly out of tune is small > potatoes when compared to the mental and physical gymnastics it would have > taken to completely rearrange a violin concerto on the fly. > > My two cents, > TP > > On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, David Beardsley wrote: > > > > in theory correct, but in practice, i recall that tuning individual > > > strings on an instrument of the viol family is not as hectic as doing so > > > on a floating-trem equipped guitar, since tho the bridge is suspended, it > > > doesn't ride on springs (insert image of golden gate rising slowly up and > > > down through fog on giant slinkys...); nevertheless i suspect it would > > > throw the other strings a bit (but not a lot) off... > > > > Exactly as I thought. i haven't forgotten that. i played viola for 8 years, it was my first instrument (blah blah blah). i'm often reminded of the difference between the fretted neck of a guitar and the slinkiness of that smooth fingerboard- but i don't think having frets or not has much bearing on one string's tension (or sudden lack of it) and the other strings on the instrument (it's more important how the strings are attached to the body of the instrument-in consort or more individually) but i agree that it helps determine how much one can compensate for the change (i.e. on a violin, infinite range of adjustment, on a fretted instrument, fairly limited range, but still a range, as anyone who has played on an equal-tempered instrument for long understands, having to compensate for the system's inherent flaws). but i agree that what was amazing about perlman's feat was arriving at a completely novel way of constructing the interplay of notes on his violin on the spot, with three strings, not four- the human mind is quite a marvelous appendage, no? my comment was in no way intended to belittle his remarkable talents! best, lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 15:31:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03456; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:29:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:29:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB6CC@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "Looper's Delight (E-mail)" Subject: gig spam/sunday, 19 august, 2001/knit fact, hollywood, ca Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:28:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C12689.9B34D330" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12689.9B34D330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" (g.e. stinson's) splinter group g.e. stinson: guitars, implements, loopage kaoru: voice, toys/percussion, loopage steuart liebig: basses, applied tools and technology, loopage dj chowderhead: turntables, beats, crates of vinyl two sets: 8 and (something like) 9:15 alterknit lounge admission: $8.00 sunday, 19 august, 2001 @ at the knitting factory 7021 Hollywood Boulevard Los Angeles, CA 90028 323-463-0204 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12689.9B34D330 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" gig spam/sunday, 19 august, 2001/knit fact, hollywood, ca

(g.e. stinson's) splinter group

g.e. stinson: guitars, implements, loopage
kaoru: voice, toys/percussion, loopage
steuart liebig: basses, applied tools and technology, loopage
dj chowderhead: turntables, beats, crates of vinyl


two sets: 8 and (something like) 9:15
alterknit lounge

admission: $8.00

sunday, 19 august, 2001

@ at the knitting factory
7021 Hollywood Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA
90028
323-463-0204



------_=_NextPart_001_01C12689.9B34D330-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 15:33:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03668; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:31:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:31:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010816133010.0097a230@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:30:10 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) In-Reply-To: References: <020401c125b4$fac54da0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <5sflnt8589jb0v3021n4v8cbgn8n0beith@4ax.com> <002701c125c3$ba6d9a00$6b44230a@melon> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <2H7ZlD.A.74.P-Bf7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Regarding use of sampled materieal and such, this is absolutely nothing new in a historical sense. Even during the middle ages and Renesonce, it was common to hear entire melodies sung with different words, which were originally from different songs. -Or, entire pieces of music reused with different words. Smiles, G-Girl --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 15:40:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04092; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:38:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:38:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB6CF@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Basic intro (OT) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:36:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1268A.C98D0850" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1268A.C98D0850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Regarding use of sampled materieal and such, this is absolutely nothing new in a historical sense. Even during the middle ages and Renesonce, it was common to hear entire melodies sung with different words, which were originally from different songs. -Or, entire pieces of music reused with different words. ** or the melody of one famous composer used by another as the cantus firmus of a mass. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1268A.C98D0850 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: Basic intro (OT)


  Regarding use of sampled materieal and such, this is absolutely nothing
new in a historical sense.  Even during the middle ages and Renesonce, it
was common to hear entire melodies sung with different words, which were
originally from different songs.  -Or, entire pieces of music reused with
different words. 

** or the melody of one famous composer used by another as the cantus firmus of a mass.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1268A.C98D0850-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 15:44:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04385; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:42:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:42:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:43:19 -0700 Organization: Darklock Communications Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:24:17 -0400, "Christopher White" wrote: >I would hope people would not give a fick about what I use >and concentrate more on the qualities of the music and how >it makes them feel or think. That *is* what it's all about, isn't it? I find it so strange when someone criticises music based on some ridiculous thing like "oh, that 'chiff' patch on the DX7 has been SO overused". It strikes me as very much like walking into a gallery and saying "pfft, he used yellow ochre, how plebeian". And the converse applies, as well; when someone says something like "you made heavy use of second intervals, that's such a profound departure from current musical standards", I just want to smack him. It's like we're more concerned with the blueprint than the house. >it is all communication we all just use a different >languages or gestures- ya know- Which leads into another interesting question, to what extent do people here think their music communicates or is intended to communicate? There are many musicians who think music needs to have deep, complex meaning; there are others who think music is just music, and who cares what it says. There's no right or wrong answer on this, of course, but I'm interested in people's positions with respect to their own music. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 15:52:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04933; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:50:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:50:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.6 Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:53:21 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <6WQWCB.A.0LB.uOCf7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That *is* what it's all about, isn't it? I find it so > strange when > someone criticises music based on some ridiculous thing > like "oh, that > 'chiff' patch on the DX7 has been SO overused". It > strikes me as very > much like walking into a gallery and saying "pfft, he > used yellow ochre, > how plebeian". yeh it is all just taste-i mean i just bought a nord lead 2 and i suppose it is supposed to be really incredible and all but i just cannot stand the sound of it and have already sold it and went back to my analog synths-that does not make the nord good or bad but it was just not good for me From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 15:56:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05095; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:52:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:52:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f601c1268c$346621b0$6b44230a@melon> From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:46:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <3r19nD.A.oOB.fRCf7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Music for me is most profound and enjoyable when it communicates emotively and intuitively, so that's my ideal. Not necessarily 'deep' or 'complex', simple, light and subtle is fine. I just saw a cajun band last night. Simple music, upbeat, lighthearted, but it struck a chord in me and changed my mood dramatically that evening. Right now I'm listening to Steve Tibbetts. Music, nummy. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Caliban Tiresias Darklock" To: Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 3:43 PM Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) > On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:24:17 -0400, "Christopher White" > wrote: > > >I would hope people would not give a fick about what I use > >and concentrate more on the qualities of the music and how > >it makes them feel or think. > > That *is* what it's all about, isn't it? I find it so strange when > someone criticises music based on some ridiculous thing like "oh, that > 'chiff' patch on the DX7 has been SO overused". It strikes me as very > much like walking into a gallery and saying "pfft, he used yellow ochre, > how plebeian". And the converse applies, as well; when someone says > something like "you made heavy use of second intervals, that's such a > profound departure from current musical standards", I just want to smack > him. It's like we're more concerned with the blueprint than the house. > > >it is all communication we all just use a different > >languages or gestures- ya know- > > Which leads into another interesting question, to what extent do people > here think their music communicates or is intended to communicate? There > are many musicians who think music needs to have deep, complex meaning; > there are others who think music is just music, and who cares what it > says. There's no right or wrong answer on this, of course, but I'm > interested in people's positions with respect to their own music. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 16:17:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07489; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:13:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:13:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <11f.33681b8.28ad8357@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:13:11 EDT Subject: Re: Repeater Foot Controller To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com PaulPokr@aol.com writes: >but what are folks gonna use to control this beast? .....currently using a peavey PC1600 (faderpack/pedals), & the front-panel. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 16:19:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07647; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:15:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:15:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <12e.3165315.28ad83d6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:15:18 EDT Subject: Re: EDP as Sampler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com tquincy@sayhhi.com writes: >> Put the EDP in the signal chain (before or after) with one of these tools >> and I think you can do some awesome things. i've got the edp in a signal chain w/repeater: very cool. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 16:38:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08964; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:35:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:35:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:36:28 -0700 Organization: Darklock Communications Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:53:21 -0400, "Christopher White" wrote: >yeh it is all just taste-i mean i just bought a nord lead 2 >and i suppose it is supposed to be really incredible and all >but i just cannot stand the sound of it and have already >sold it and went back to my analog synths-that does not make >the nord good or bad but it was just not good for me My "workhorse" synth is an Optimus MD-1200. Yes, the mass market keyboard from Radio Shack. It has great sound, isn't overused (because no self-respecting musician would buy his gear at RADIO SHACK!), and provides most of the features I really need in a synth. It has pretty decent drums on it, too. I can't count the number of times some other synth player has stood there speechless at the idea that I'd use this in preference to the cult-classic Juno 106 on the next shelf. Different strokes. I *love* my Juno, and wouldn't give it up for anything... but the MD-1200 is the one that gets the most use. At $200, you just can't beat it for the price. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 16:54:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09821; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:51:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:51:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:52:25 -0700 Organization: Darklock Communications Message-ID: <668ontco6ffa0ihd2he6mfopu4bgithuf5@4ax.com> References: <020401c125b4$fac54da0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <5sflnt8589jb0v3021n4v8cbgn8n0beith@4ax.com> <002701c125c3$ba6d9a00$6b44230a@melon> <3.0.5.32.20010816133010.0097a230@mail.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010816133010.0097a230@mail.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:30:10 -0600, Goddess wrote: > Regarding use of sampled materieal and such, this is absolutely nothing >new in a historical sense. Even during the middle ages and Renesonce, it >was common to hear entire melodies sung with different words, which were >originally from different songs. -Or, entire pieces of music reused with >different words. Excellent point. The lyrics to the American national anthem itself were prefaced with the note "to the tune of 'Anacreon in Heaven'". It certainly hasn't escaped people that "Baa, Baa, Black Sheep" and "Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star" have the same tune, or that the christmas carol "What Child is This" is sung to the tune of "Greensleeves" (although many people are surprised to discover that "Greensleeves" has *lyrics*), or even that "My Country 'Tis of Thee" is sung to "God Save the Queen"! The practice of rewriting lyrics to popular songs is quite alive and well in science fiction fandom, also, where it is commonly referred to as "filk" (from a typo on a posted bulletin, which advertised "filk singing" instead of "folk singing" in a particular room of a convention). What is really "different" about sampling is that you're not performing the song -- you're simply playing a recorded version. And as anyone pretty much has to agree, playing a recorded sample takes no talent and no creativity. Where the talent and creativity comes in with samples is in selecting and combining them. Samples, IMO, should be treated like individual notes: in and of themselves, they're not all that impressive. When you play some sample, it's like playing a B flat. That's not hard. Anyone can do that. Several samples are just like multiple keys on a piano; you can play a whole bunch at once, or just play one at a time for an extended series. Anyone can do that, too, but making it sound good is another matter. Three notes form a chord, but only if they're the right three notes -- so you can't always just throw this melody over that bassline and tack these vocals on them, you need to properly tune them so they sound good together. Samples provide the mixed blessing of greater range; there are, after all, "only twelve notes a man can play" (to quote the Beastie Boys)... but there are thousands upon thousands of potential samples. It should be reasonably obvious that there will be many more combinations that sound good, and many more combinations that sound bad. There's a lot more territory to explore, and there's some good stuff out there; of course, there's also a lot of barrens that are essentially good for nothing. Sample based music is easy to do, but hard to do well -- and while I'm certainly no virtuoso, I like to think I do better than the average guy who just picked up a tracker. ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 16:55:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09899; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:52:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:52:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:55:22 +0100 Subject: Re: GEAR LUST and CREATIVITY From: roberto To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 15/8/01 4:03 PM, Tom Ritchford at tom@swirly.com wrote: > "So perhaps our task in this shaky, fast-changing, bewildering > world in which we live, is to make music--at first with all that we > have, and then, when that's no longer possible, to make music with > what we have left." Talking of which Some time ago a friend coming back from a trip in the States showed me some video footage he had shot in the streets. There was this old, beautifully smiling black man sitting on a box on a street corner; in one hand he had a metal plate on which he bounced some coins; with that and his voice he was making varied and moving blues - and it wouldn't have sounded better if he had had an orchestra. The man obviously had a soul. I admire and feel envious for those who can make music with whatever they have. Roberto ______________________________________________ Roberto Battista http://www.robat.scl.net http://www.robat.scl.net/lectures/index.shtm Tel. 0044 020 8449 1995 Mobile 0775 960 4344 ______________________________________________ http://www.rustyrobot.com independent on-line music distribution, the music you can't find elsewhere, hybrid, eclectic, world, looped, unusual... ______________________________________________ http://www.robat.scl.net/html/tibet/tibet.shtm an exciting project on technology applied to mobile education for developing countries and remote locations... ______________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 17:06:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11634; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:04:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:04:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.203.84.227] From: "JH" To: References: <020401c125b4$fac54da0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <5sflnt8589jb0v3021n4v8cbgn8n0beith@4ax.com> <002701c125c3$ba6d9a00$6b44230a@melon> <3.0.5.32.20010816133010.0097a230@mail.earthlink.net> <668ontco6ffa0ihd2he6mfopu4bgithuf5@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:02:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2001 21:03:10.0706 (UTC) FILETIME=[DB2AF520:01C12696] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > all, "only twelve notes a man can play" (to quote the Beastie Boys)... Certainly not! There are many other ways to divide an octave, tuneful ways at that - escaping 12 tone does not mean a complete collapse into dissonance. Listen to Harry Partch, Wendy Carlos etc... Unfortunately most instruments do not allow exploration of these realms except with clever programming or highly expensive customisations. You can do it with fretless but takes a very good ear. I see the tyranny of the 12 tones as one which is in dire need of overthrowing, and not just in weirdy-beardy eccentric circles. I think I'm going off topic :-) Jamie From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 17:32:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12777; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:30:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:30:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:28:51 -0700 Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) From: Allan Hoeltje To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 8/16/01 1:36 PM, Caliban Tiresias Darklock at caliban@darklock.com wrote: > My "workhorse" synth is an Optimus MD-1200. Yes, the mass market > keyboard from Radio Shack... At $200, you just can't beat it for > the price. LOL! This made my day. There are way too many folks who think they need a $20,000++ rack to create entertaining audio. Hey, I like the gear too but it's refreshing to read stuff like this. Gotta go check out Radio Shack now. Do they make a looper? :-) BTW, this "basic intro" thread has made quite a long presence for itself. What if it had been Caliban's "complete intro" instead? -Allan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 17:35:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12979; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:33:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:33:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010816173126.02eeb710@pop1.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:32:28 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:28 PM 8/16/2001, you wrote: >it's refreshing to read stuff like this. Gotta go check out Radio Shack >now. Do they make a looper? :-) yes. its the Realistic Optimus Yaddayaddaizer catalogue number 23-23-23-23-23-23-23-23-23-23-23-23-.... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 17:50:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13732; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:49:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:49:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:51:07 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <007401c1269d$8dbfc200$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <020401c125b4$fac54da0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <5sflnt8589jb0v3021n4v8cbgn8n0beith@4ax.com> <002701c125c3$ba6d9a00$6b44230a@melon> <3.0.5.32.20010816133010.0097a230@mail.earthlink.net> <668ontco6ffa0ihd2he6mfopu4bgithuf5@4ax.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "only twelve notes a man can play" heh, there's only so many notes one can hear in an evening... 12! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 17:54:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13928; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:51:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:51:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB6D9@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Basic intro (OT) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:50:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1269D.804D6000" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1269D.804D6000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Samples provide the mixed blessing of greater range; there are, after all, "only twelve notes a man can play" (to quote the Beastie Boys)... but there are thousands upon thousands of potential samples. ** a few quibbles about 12 notes: unless you're into microtonality - - then there are more . . . and the 12 notes have different weights in different registers, so they really act as more than 12. and then there's timbre and so forth: a c major chord has a totally different weight when played by dimebag darrell (however many strings he plays), a symphony orchestra, a string quartet, a classically trained pianist, jerry lee lewis, howlin' wolf, etc.; one note on an oboe sounds radically different than the same note on nylon string guitar or a synthesizer - - in fact one might need to ask if they are the "same note" at all, same pitch frequency, sure, but there's a lot more information in that one note. these examples are scratching the surface as we haven't even discussed nuance of attack or dynamics or modulation - - or even a subject near and dear to us here, processing . . . so i would say that there are (many more than) thousands and thousands of possibilites in "just 12 notes." so i don't know if i can agree that there is more range in samples, per se. different combinations are being created everyday. i suppose you could sample all of those . . . in which case, you may be right. but maybe it all comes down to mixing colors in a "pleasing and artistic" way. questions for you: are you doing this in a live situtation or a controlled studio situtation (forgive me if this is old ground, i came in somewhat late on this). are you doing in interacting with others, or in one-person environment? how do you come up with the combinations of samples? are they consecutive or at the same time? can you hear combinations in your head before you do them, or is it all by trial and error? s ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1269D.804D6000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Basic intro (OT)

Samples provide the mixed blessing of greater range; = there are, after
all, "only twelve notes a man can play" = (to quote the Beastie Boys)...
but there are thousands upon thousands of potential = samples.

** a few quibbles about 12 notes: unless you're into = microtonality - - then there are more . . . and the 12 notes have = different weights in different registers, so they really act as more = than 12. and then there's timbre and so forth: a c major chord has a = totally different weight when played by dimebag darrell (however many = strings he plays), a symphony orchestra, a string quartet, a = classically trained pianist, jerry lee lewis, howlin' wolf, etc.; one = note on an oboe sounds radically different than the same note on nylon = string guitar or a synthesizer - - in fact one might need to ask if = they are the "same note" at all, same pitch frequency, sure, = but there's a lot more information in that one note. these examples are = scratching the surface as we haven't even discussed nuance of attack or = dynamics or modulation  - - or  even a subject near and dear = to us here, processing . . . so i would say that there are (many more = than) thousands and thousands of possibilites in "just 12 = notes."


so i don't know if i can agree that there is more = range in samples, per se. different combinations are being created = everyday. i suppose you could sample all of those  . . . in which = case, you may be right.

but maybe it all comes down to mixing colors in a = "pleasing and artistic" way.

questions for you:

are you doing this in a live situtation or a = controlled studio situtation (forgive me if this is old ground, i came = in somewhat late on this).

are you doing in interacting with others, or in = one-person environment?

how do you come up with the combinations of samples? = are they consecutive or at the same time?

can you hear combinations in your head before you do = them, or is it all by trial and error?


s


------_=_NextPart_001_01C1269D.804D6000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 17:54:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14016; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:53:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:53:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:53:44 -0700 Organization: Darklock Communications Message-ID: <85gont8ojgorflfjukrsiag8st0p6qfs64@4ax.com> References: <020401c125b4$fac54da0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <5sflnt8589jb0v3021n4v8cbgn8n0beith@4ax.com> <002701c125c3$ba6d9a00$6b44230a@melon> <3.0.5.32.20010816133010.0097a230@mail.earthlink.net> <668ontco6ffa0ihd2he6mfopu4bgithuf5@4ax.com> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3sMOtB.A.saD.2CEf7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:02:15 -0500, "JH" wrote: >> all, "only twelve notes a man can play" (to quote the Beastie Boys)... > >Certainly not! There are many other ways to divide an octave, tuneful ways >at that - escaping 12 tone does not mean a complete collapse into >dissonance. I *said* I was quoting the Beastie Boys. Bitch at them. :P From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 18:01:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15587; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:00:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:00:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:00:51 -0700 Organization: Darklock Communications Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:28:51 -0700, Allan Hoeltje wrote: >on 8/16/01 1:36 PM, Caliban Tiresias Darklock at caliban@darklock.com wrote: > >> My "workhorse" synth is an Optimus MD-1200. Yes, the mass market >> keyboard from Radio Shack... At $200, you just can't beat it for >> the price. > >LOL! This made my day. There are way too many folks who think they need a >$20,000++ rack to create entertaining audio. Hey, I like the gear too but >it's refreshing to read stuff like this. To make matters worse, I *usually* use it to work out a melody which I then turn around and punch into a sequencer that controls a softsynth. I could use damn near anything for that. ;) >BTW, this "basic intro" thread has made quite a long presence for itself. >What if it had been Caliban's "complete intro" instead? We'd be about on chapter three. ;P From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 18:03:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15876; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:02:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:02:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@fixme User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:55:54 -0700 Subject: Trigger pulse/MIDI From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got several of the old Digitech RDS 8000's that I'd like to use sync'ed to MIDI. Does anyone have any experience getting an older delay to chase modern drum machine or an Echoplex? TH -- Electrochakra website: http://www.electrochakra.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 18:04:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16015; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:03:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:03:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@fixme User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:00:14 -0700 Subject: Gig Spam [Seattle]: Electrochakra 8/17,18 From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Electrochakra will be playing at: The Grand Opening of the expanded Mars Bar (609 Eastlake Ave.) Friday, August 17th, 7-9PM. Admission is free, but 21+. also Second Avenue Pizza (2015 2nd Avenue) Saturday, August 18th, 8-10PM. Admission is free and all ages. Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett Electrochakra -- Electrochakra website: http://www.electrochakra.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 18:09:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16243; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:06:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:06:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB6DA@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Basic intro (OT) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:05:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1269F.96AD4D40" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1269F.96AD4D40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I *said* I was quoting the Beastie Boys. Bitch at them. :P ** sure, but you quoted them to make *your* point, no? sl ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1269F.96AD4D40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: Basic intro (OT)

I *said* I was quoting the Beastie Boys. Bitch at them. :P

** sure, but you quoted them to make *your* point, no?

sl

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1269F.96AD4D40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 18:19:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16769; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:17:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:17:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:16:38 EDT Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a3.1a6564bf.28ada046_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10532 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_a3.1a6564bf.28ada046_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/16/01 3:42:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, caliban@darklock.com writes: > to what extent do people > 90% of what i do is all "happy accidents" the rest is just meant to get folks tappin their toes.....i always thought i was a shallow person because i never knew what my music communicated.....and now with all the elecrix booty floating around (what a love/hate relationship) i got all the knobs a person could want....it will be 95% kismet soon.....:)m p.s. intellectually and emotionaly, age is meaningless.....physically on the other hand.....hmmmmm..... --part1_a3.1a6564bf.28ada046_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/16/01 3:42:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
caliban@darklock.com writes:


to what extent do people
here think their music communicates or is intended to communicate?


90% of what i do is all "happy accidents" the rest is just meant to get folks
tappin their toes.....i always thought i was a shallow person because i never
knew what my music communicated.....and now with all the elecrix booty
floating around (what a love/hate relationship) i got all the knobs a person
could want....it will be 95% kismet soon.....:)m
p.s. intellectually and emotionaly, age is meaningless.....physically on the
other hand.....hmmmmm..... --part1_a3.1a6564bf.28ada046_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 18:21:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16945; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:19:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:19:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:20:16 -0700 Organization: Darklock Communications Message-ID: References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB6D9@migarexch01.maritz.com> In-Reply-To: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB6D9@migarexch01.maritz.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:50:44 -0400, "Liebig, Steuart A." wrote: >so i don't know if i can agree that there is more range in samples, per se. >different combinations are being created everyday. i suppose you could >sample all of those . . . in which case, you may be right. Not to mention every sample can be processed, just as every note can. We have a near-identical array of effects to apply. >are you doing this in a live situtation or a controlled studio situtation >(forgive me if this is old ground, i came in somewhat late on this). Studio. I can't play live for shit using samples. If I'm going to get up on stage and play something, it's either a drum set or a guitar. (I'm not a good enough bass or keyboard player to play live.) >are you doing in interacting with others, or in one-person environment? One-person, usually. Sometimes I collaborate with people either over the net or in person; over the net, we pass samples around and occasionally half-completed mixes. In person, I usually run the equipment while one or two other folks kibitz and toss out ideas. I'm an arrogant bastard, so it usually works like something of a dictatorship... someone will say "what about this", and I'll either veto it or agree. I find it almost infuriating to operate on equal terms with others when making electronic/sampled music for some reason. I sort of feel like stage work (including rehearsal) should be collaborative, while studio work should be directed and the one directing things should be the guy on the console. This occasionally backfires when I go over to someone else's house and they expect me to take charge the way I do over at mine, while I expect that the guy on the console is going to tell me what to do. >how do you come up with the combinations of samples? are they consecutive or >at the same time? Both! Sometimes I layer, sometimes I serialise. Constructing different conversations from existing dialog is fun, but simplistic; it's not like any moron couldn't do the same thing. Layering is more interesting to me, since it's harder than it appears to get two disparate songs to mesh well, and I have great fun constructing interesting transitions or breaks which are amusing to hear. >can you hear combinations in your head before you do them, or is it all by >trial and error? Combination. Sometimes I think "this will sound good", and it sounds like shit. Then I either have to switch samples or tweak something, and sometimes I'm not really sure *why* it sounds like shit so I just futz around till it sounds good. The most common problem I have is that I have a sound in my head, and then I can't reproduce it -- but in the process of trying, I find something else entirely different that I think sounds good. Then that sends me off in a whole other direction. I actually don't think I've ever sat down with a project in mind and completed that project as originally intended. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 18:35:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18027; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:34:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:34:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:34:56 -0700 Organization: Darklock Communications Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:16:38 EDT, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >i always thought i was a shallow person because i never >knew what my music communicated..... Has anyone ever found a meaning in your music that was a completely new concept to you? ("Wow, I love the way you said [whatever]!" "What? Huh? Do I know you?") From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 18:44:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18320; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:39:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:39:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:40:02 -0700 Organization: Darklock Communications Message-ID: References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB6DA@migarexch01.maritz.com> In-Reply-To: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB6DA@migarexch01.maritz.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:05:41 -0400, "Liebig, Steuart A." wrote: >I *said* I was quoting the Beastie Boys. Bitch at them. :P > >** sure, but you quoted them to make *your* point, no? Yes, which was "number of samples > number of notes". Sure, theoretically you have an infinite number of notes, because even though human hearing only falls into a certain range you can ALWAYS cut that range in half repeatedly all the way into infinity -- it only approaches the bottom of the range asymptotically. Realistically, sooner or later you reach the practical limit of how many available notes you can play. Assuming the average person can detect a change of 0.01 Hz, you've only got about two million notes to work with. With only two 16-bit samples, however, you have over four billion possibilities. Even if only one in a thousand is distinguishable, that's still twice as many. And with 24 and 32 bit samples...? Damn. With a sampled sound, the number of potential sounds increases exponentially at a phenomenal rate. Sure, most of them suck, but... ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 18:52:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18671; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:43:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:43:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB6E0@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Basic intro (OT) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:42:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C126A4.C4FB7370" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C126A4.C4FB7370 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Not to mention every sample can be processed, just as every note can. We have a near-identical array of effects to apply. ** oh yeah. not to say that there isn't a number of holes in the train of thought that i left the station with. i guess for me there is the whole issue of orchestration and the infinite possibilitites that it holds - - and then the nuances, etc. you get into the creation of these things and it's not just about notes. now you can sample this stuff, but *for me* i find it more interesting to start with "the creation of the thing" than with sampling it . . . and i don't think i can acurately describe why i feel that way. maybe it's the difference between a painting or one of those collages made of polaroid photos that david hockney does; i find them interesting but they don't necessarily move me in the way that paint on canvas does. for me, maybe the photo collage doesn't hold the same realism (how's that for a paradox?) and impact that the painting does - - similar with the sample collage???? dunno. Studio. I can't play live for shit using samples. If I'm going to get up on stage and play something, it's either a drum set or a guitar. (I'm not a good enough bass or keyboard player to play live.) ** see to me that is pretty interesting. you don't have interaction involved in your sample manipulations in a live sense. food for thought. lots of interesting stuff follows. some of which i'll pull out of context (or not!). I'm an arrogant bastard, so it usually works like something of a dictatorship... ** ah perfect - - you're a composer ;-) - - i can relate. Combination. Sometimes I think "this will sound good", and it sounds like shit. Then I either have to switch samples or tweak something, and sometimes I'm not really sure *why* it sounds like shit so I just futz around till it sounds good. The most common problem I have is that I have a sound in my head, and then I can't reproduce it -- but in the process of trying, I find something else entirely different that I think sounds good. Then that sends me off in a whole other direction. I actually don't think I've ever sat down with a project in mind and completed that project as originally intended. ** most of this sounds like standard compositional fare. have the idea try to implement it, idea takes on life of its own and struggles with composer for supremacy of direction . . . i'm into trying to reproduce stuff in my head out in the air and i'm interested that your methodology seems to frustrate you in this regard. also, since where i come from is a place of interaction and improvisation in a live sense, the way that you do sample manipulations provides an interesting conceptual grind. interesting stuff . . . sl ------_=_NextPart_001_01C126A4.C4FB7370 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Basic intro (OT)

Not to mention every sample can be processed, just as = every note can. We
have a near-identical array of effects to = apply.

** oh yeah. not to say that there isn't a number of = holes in the train of thought that i left the station with.


i guess for me there is the whole issue of = orchestration and the infinite possibilitites that it holds - - and = then the nuances, etc. you get into the creation of these things and = it's not just about notes. now you can sample this stuff, but *for me* = i find it more interesting to start with "the creation of the = thing" than with sampling it . . . and i don't think i can = acurately describe why i feel that way. maybe it's the difference = between a painting or one of those collages made of polaroid photos = that david hockney does; i find them interesting but they don't = necessarily move me in the way that paint on canvas does. for me, maybe = the photo collage doesn't hold the same realism (how's that for a = paradox?) and impact that the painting does - - similar with the sample = collage???? dunno.



Studio. I can't play live for shit using samples. If = I'm going to get up
on stage and play something, it's either a drum set = or a guitar. (I'm
not a good enough bass or keyboard player to play = live.)

** see to me that is pretty interesting. you don't = have interaction involved in your sample manipulations in a live sense. = food for thought.

lots of interesting stuff follows. some of which i'll = pull out of context (or not!).

I'm an arrogant bastard,
so it usually works like something of a = dictatorship...

** ah perfect - - you're a composer ;-) - - i can = relate.


Combination. Sometimes I think "this will sound = good", and it sounds
like shit. Then I either have to switch samples or = tweak something, and
sometimes I'm not really sure *why* it sounds like = shit so I just futz
around till it sounds good. The most common problem = I have is that I
have a sound in my head, and then I can't reproduce = it -- but in the
process of trying, I find something else entirely = different that I think
sounds good. Then that sends me off in a whole other = direction. I
actually don't think I've ever sat down with a = project in mind and
completed that project as originally intended. =

** most of this sounds like standard compositional = fare. have the idea try to implement it, idea takes on life of its own = and struggles with composer for supremacy of direction . . . =

i'm into trying to reproduce stuff in my head out in = the air and i'm interested that your methodology seems to frustrate you = in this regard.

also, since where i come from is a place of = interaction and improvisation in a live sense, the way that you do = sample manipulations provides an interesting conceptual grind. =

interesting stuff . . .


sl

------_=_NextPart_001_01C126A4.C4FB7370-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 18:54:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18913; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:46:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:46:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: (OT) Copyright in a Sampled World... Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:45:56 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <41Ldp.A.kmE.m0Ef7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I've been reading most of this thread. Interesting too. But incorporating samples, and particularly music, created by others and used without permission or compensation seems to be a real sticky point for me. I'm struggling. Caliban, I was with you in your message below until the very end. There, you talk about how "absolutely essential" you believe the concept of copyright law is, but you yourself consciously do not, in practice, adhere to it. I can see from your posts that you are very intelligent, so let me ask you: does this seem like a double standard to you, or is there some way to reconcile the two conflicting positions? In your long message below, when it comes to the question of the artist doing what they want to with another's artistic work, you're suggestion, apparently, is to do what you wish, claim 'fair use' - and hope no one sues you. Upon closer inspection, however, this doesn't seem to me to be a very effective legal or moral counterargument - not if you have hope of ever earning any money from your music anyway. Section 107 of the Copyright Act of 1976 says that the fair use of a copyrighted work for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. It goes on to say that in determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the following factors are considered: - the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes; - the nature of the copyrighted work; - the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and - the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work. So, Caliban, I'm just wondering: assuming that you do want to earn some buckolas from your music, how do you legally and morally justify your use of samples (meaning music created by others and used without permission or compensation) under the fair use doctrine? Kevin > And therein lies the rub. There HAS to be an acceptable middle ground! > It's clearly most beneficial to artists from an *artistic* standpoint > when they can freely sample and derive from any and all media, but then > there's no benefit to creating art -- you make something and say "look > what I did!", but then anyone can grab it and run off and do whatever > they want with it. When we say it's *okay* for anyone to do whatever > they want, we very quickly run into the problem of people running out > and doing things we don't like. And when we say it's NOT okay, that you > have to have the original artist's permission, we very quickly run into > the opposite problem of artists who won't let you do ANYTHING. > > And that's my main problem with copyright. A lot of the people who own > copyrights aren't artists. An artist can be consulted; you can go to an > artist and say "I want to do this with your stuff, is that okay?" -- and > if the artist likes what you're doing, chances are he's fine with it. > But copyright is often held by corporations and heirs who don't have any > actual sense of the ART -- only the ownership. Their perception of a > sample or a melodic groove is simply that this is a commodity which can > be sold, and thus we have notions of audio "theft". It's very neatly > circular; if the product didn't have value, you wouldn't have used it. > > It gets worse. When you combine this notion of art as property with an > artistic temperament, many independent artists will not only protect > their property rights in a given piece, but also take offense at any > effort to license those rights -- objecting that this treats their work > as a product which can be bought, and trivialises the artistic value of > the work. You can't use it without permission, because this doesn't > respect the rights of the author; you can't get permission, because this > doesn't respect the sanctity of the art. > > Luckily, we have the concept of "fair use". Not that it's actually any > good until you get to court, but you can usually cast enough doubt on a > potential lawsuit to get it dropped as long as you have a reasonably > decent argument their lawyers will look at and say "actually, he has a > valid legal position". > > I don't like copyright law as it stands. I think it lends itself too > easily to abuses (one of which I perpetrate myself: deliberate > exploitation of the nebulous definition of fair use). But copyright law > as a concept is absolutely essential to the maintenance of an artistic > community at *all* in a capitalist economy. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 18:57:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19769; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:55:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:55:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [198.81.16.44] From: "Scott Anderson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater Footcontroller, Oatmeal, Bodily Music Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:54:16 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2001 22:54:16.0334 (UTC) FILETIME=[603112E0:01C126A6] Resent-Message-ID: <34MBcD.A.fyE.58Ef7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I also am interested to hear what footpedals, footcontrollers people recommend to try with (or Electrix recommends with?) the Repeater. [Dennis Leas] few other products which have such a long lifespan without redesign AND still perform at the top of their class (maybe oatmeal and FTP). mmm, oatmeal. [jim palmer] "Each generation of technology provides simpler ways to make music" is anything simpler than whacking two sticks together. maybe singing? breathing, heart beat, digestion? [Caliban] Whacking two sticks together produces a very limited series of sounds. When "sticks on logs" was presented, producing the first rudimentary xylophone, a larger number of notes could be produced. Singing requires a great deal of training and practice. When "blowing through a shell" was presented, pleasant sounds could be made with much less effort. Technology simplifies the process of making music. It provides more capability with less training. That's the entire point of applying it. As a shell blowing admirer who has struggled to get even one to make a pleasant sound even once, I think for some, singing is simplest, least effort-ful; for others, shell blowing is simplest, least effort-ful; and for me, I blow hot air (and digest with a multi-octave, multi-timbral range). Scott _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 18:58:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18925; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:46:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:46:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: repeater shipment question Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:46:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <2zzbUD.A.HnE.y0Ef7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It was about that. We will be shipping on a daily basis for a while and that amount will ramp up. It was day one after all. Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com -----Original Message----- From: Brett Maraldo [mailto:plexus@sympatico.ca] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 9:10 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: repeater shipment question the pictures on the electrix web site show a skid of 30 boxes each which look like they hold 6 units. that's 180 units. is that all that was loaded into the truck?? :) but seriously, how many units shipped out? damon? brett From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 19:03:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21382; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 19:00:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 19:00:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB6E2@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Basic intro (OT) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:59:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C126A7.227B62B0" Resent-Message-ID: <9QVxdC.A.5KF.KCFf7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C126A7.227B62B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Yes, which was "number of samples > number of notes". Sure, theoretically you have an infinite number of notes, because even though human hearing only falls into a certain range you can ALWAYS cut that range in half repeatedly all the way into infinity -- it only approaches the bottom of the range asymptotically. Realistically, sooner or later you reach the practical limit of how many available notes you can play. Assuming the average person can detect a change of 0.01 Hz, you've only got about two million notes to work with. With only two 16-bit samples, however, you have over four billion possibilities. Even if only one in a thousand is distinguishable, that's still twice as many. And with 24 and 32 bit samples...? Damn. With a sampled sound, the number of potential sounds increases exponentially at a phenomenal rate. Sure, most of them suck, but... ;) ** i think that i'm not even talking about frequencies - - you could just deal with sine waves, and that could be pretty boring, no? i'm really talking about the western scale and the 88 notes or so on the piano keyboard . . . not even the microtonal side of things - - though that does play into nuance of notes when played in real time. there's so much more information in any given note played on an instrument - - and even when the same instrument is played by a different person in the same room in the same basic time frame. (i think we've all heard the stories of so-and-so #1 was playing and so-and-so #2 came over, picked up the exact same instrument and it sounded totally different - - it sounded just like so-and-so #2 does through his/her personal gear.) it's so beyond just the frequency aspects of "just 12 notes" (or 88) that it's not even funny. does a sample really capture all of that?? i don't know. do you feel that there is nuance and humanity in your samples? does it matter to you? sl ------_=_NextPart_001_01C126A7.227B62B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Basic intro (OT)

Yes, which was "number of samples > number of = notes". Sure,
theoretically you have an infinite number of notes, = because even though
human hearing only falls into a certain range you = can ALWAYS cut that
range in half repeatedly all the way into infinity = -- it only approaches
the bottom of the range asymptotically. = Realistically, sooner or later
you reach the practical limit of how many available = notes you can play.
Assuming the average person can detect a change of = 0.01 Hz, you've only
got about two million notes to work with. With only = two 16-bit samples,
however, you have over four billion possibilities. = Even if only one in a
thousand is distinguishable, that's still twice as = many. And with 24 and
32 bit samples...? Damn. With a sampled sound, the = number of potential
sounds increases exponentially at a phenomenal rate. = Sure, most of them
suck, but... ;)

** i think that i'm not even talking about = frequencies - - you could just deal with sine waves, and that could be = pretty boring, no? i'm really talking about the western scale and the = 88 notes or so on the piano keyboard . . . not even the microtonal side = of things - - though that does play into nuance of notes when played in = real time.

there's so much more information in any given note = played on an instrument - - and even when the same instrument is played = by a different person in the same room in the same basic time frame. (i = think we've all heard the stories of so-and-so #1 was playing and = so-and-so #2 came over, picked up the exact same instrument and it = sounded totally different - - it sounded just like so-and-so #2 does = through his/her personal gear.)

it's so beyond just the frequency aspects of = "just 12 notes" (or 88) that it's not even funny.

does a sample really capture all of that?? i don't = know. do you feel that there is nuance and humanity in your samples? = does it matter to you?

sl

------_=_NextPart_001_01C126A7.227B62B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 19:03:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20527; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:59:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:59:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB6E1@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Basic intro (OT) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:58:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C126A6.EA01AED0" Resent-Message-ID: <-i9TO.A.74E.qAFf7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C126A6.EA01AED0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Which leads into another interesting question, to what extent do people here think their music communicates or is intended to communicate? There are many musicians who think music needs to have deep, complex meaning; there are others who think music is just music, and who cares what it says. There's no right or wrong answer on this, of course, but I'm interested in people's positions with respect to their own music. ** i'm hoping to have some sort of communion between emotion, spirit and intellect whatever that all really mens). mostly, i want to avoid boring people. at a concert of a composition i did that employs a lot of improv, i had two divergent reactions to the piece: one was that there was a story, a narrative flow, that one person really followed and was drawn along by. the other was another person saying that there wasn't enough narrative thread. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C126A6.EA01AED0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Basic intro (OT)

Which leads into another interesting question, to = what extent do people
here think their music communicates or is intended = to communicate? There
are many musicians who think music needs to have = deep, complex meaning;
there are others who think music is just music, and = who cares what it
says. There's no right or wrong answer on this, of = course, but I'm
interested in people's positions with respect to = their own music.



** i'm hoping to have some sort of communion between = emotion, spirit and intellect whatever that all really mens). mostly, i = want to avoid boring people.

at a concert of a composition i did that employs a = lot of improv, i had two divergent reactions to the piece:

one was that there was a story, a narrative flow, = that one person really followed and was drawn along by.

the other was another person saying that there wasn't = enough narrative thread.

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C126A6.EA01AED0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 19:39:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23378; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 19:38:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 19:38:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:38:45 -0700 Organization: Darklock Communications Message-ID: References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB6E0@migarexch01.maritz.com> In-Reply-To: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB6E0@migarexch01.maritz.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:42:46 -0400, "Liebig, Steuart A." wrote: >i guess for me there is the whole issue of orchestration and the infinite >possibilitites that it holds - - and then the nuances, etc. you get into the >creation of these things and it's not just about notes. now you can sample >this stuff, but *for me* i find it more interesting to start with "the >creation of the thing" than with sampling it . . . and i don't think i can >acurately describe why i feel that way. I think it's sort of like the parent/teacher difference. A teacher influences many young minds, while a parent influences only a few -- but the influences are very different. You can have a parent and not a teacher, while you can't have a teacher and not a parent. The teacher also has only a limited amount of control over the average child, while a parent exerts a strong degree of control throughout the child's life. >i'm into trying to reproduce stuff in my head out in the air and i'm >interested that your methodology seems to frustrate you in this regard. But that's what I'm frustrated by. I can usually find something close to what I want and tweak it to be closer, but it's still almost never what I want. If I knew what to use and how to use it to get the sound I wanted, I would. But I can't effectively define the sound I want except to say "it sounds kinda like this but not quite". >also, since where i come from is a place of interaction and improvisation in >a live sense, the way that you do sample manipulations provides an >interesting conceptual grind. See, that's what live shows ought to be about. If you can't track the crowd and have that give-and-take, you may as well be a CD. So if the musical methodology doesn't fit that process, you either use a different methodology or don't play live. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 19:59:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24316; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 19:57:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 19:57:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:57:23 -0700 Organization: Darklock Communications Message-ID: References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB6E2@migarexch01.maritz.com> In-Reply-To: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB6E2@migarexch01.maritz.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:59:42 -0400, "Liebig, Steuart A." wrote: >** i think that i'm not even talking about frequencies - - you could just >deal with sine waves, and that could be pretty boring, no? Of course not! As the FFT demonstrates, *all* sound is essentially just a series of sine waves. ;) >there's so much more information in any given note played on an instrument - >- and even when the same instrument is played by a different person in the >same room in the same basic time frame. Not when you strip away all the options. A piano-voice D on a portable keyboard that doesn't have velocity sensitivity or aftertouch will sound exactly the same no matter who plays it, just as a sample would if all you did was press the "play" button. Different environments provide different options; when you press the D on a piano harder, it makes certain things happen. I can make roughly the same things happen, but I have to modify several parameters to do that. It's not as quick, as easy, or as visually impressive -- in fact, it looks really stupid. >does a sample really capture all of that?? i don't know. It captures it from the original performer, insofar as it is expressed purely in the audio. The guy who uses the sample, however, adds his own expression (or lack thereof) and can modify that content. >do you feel that >there is nuance and humanity in your samples? does it matter to you? I feel there's a great deal more nuance and humanity in samples than there is in a MIDI-triggered performance. Samples capture *some* of the original's emotional content, which can be carried over for further effect. Duplicating a performance by MIDI, no matter how carefully done, always feels just a little sterile. And if I don't quite feel what the original performer was feeling, playing it myself isn't going to feel right to a listener either. Of course, if I want to DRASTICALLY alter the emotional content of a piece, chances are I'll have to play it myself. 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Please contact me. > > Thanks, James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 20:05:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26159; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 20:03:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 20:03:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 20:02:57 -0500 Subject: Re: Repeater Foot Controller From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i can recommend highly the lake butler midi midigator. it's "out ot print" but they do pop up used. it'll send many midi message per footoswitch inlcluding sysex, program, controllers, and it has an input for acv pedal with many many options. it stores song titles with strings of changes for each of the five switches per song. somehting like 128 songs... pretty amazing. monk on 8/16/01 12:17 PM, PaulPokr@aol.com at PaulPokr@aol.com wrote: > Hey, all: > > I know somewhere in the murky past, this topic was discussed, but what are > folks gonna use to control this beast? > > Unfortunately, I just sold my Yamaha MFC-10 MIDI Pedal. 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Ave." cd To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_11a.3395ade.28adc028_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10532 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_11a.3395ade.28adc028_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/16/01 8:00:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bobdog@pseudobuddha.com writes: > thank you bobdog.....:)m --part1_11a.3395ade.28adc028_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/16/01 8:00:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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thank you bobdog.....:)m --part1_11a.3395ade.28adc028_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 20:50:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28697; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 20:48:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 20:48:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Repeater Foot Controller Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:48:59 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <2dtr5D.A.Y_G.onGf7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Paul Richard wondered: > I know somewhere in the murky past, this topic was discussed, but what are > folks gonna use to control this beast? Then Ric declared: i can recommend highly the lake butler midi midigator. it's "out ot print" but they do pop up used. it'll send many midi message per footoswitch inlcluding sysex, program, controllers, and it has an input for acv pedal with many many options. it stores song titles with strings of changes for each of the five switches per song. somehting like 128 songs... pretty amazing. monk ^^^I like the Mitigator (I can't dispose of mine--it's in storage) but it pales in comparison to the PMC-10 by Digitech--same thing only different, although less bulletproof. My question is, will Electrix manufacture a full featured controller to rival the PMC? SOMEBODY really ought to-- Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 21:13:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30954; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:12:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:12:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:11:02 -0500 Subject: Re: Repeater Foot Controller From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com tell me more of this wondrous pmc 10. will it send sysex info? and long strings of midi caommands to multiple devices on multiple channels? does it store song names and strings of commands? i'ave been looking to replace my midigator before my last two die... monk on 8/16/01 7:48 PM, Gary Lehmann at healthquestrecruiter@earthlink.net wrote: > Paul Richard wondered: >> I know somewhere in the murky past, this topic was discussed, but what are >> folks gonna use to control this beast? > Then Ric declared: > > i can recommend highly the lake butler midi midigator. it's > "out ot print" but they do pop up used. it'll send many midi message per > footoswitch inlcluding sysex, program, controllers, and it has an input for > acv pedal with many many options. it stores song titles with strings of > changes for each of the five switches per song. somehting like 128 songs... > pretty amazing. > > monk > > ^^^I like the Mitigator (I can't dispose of mine--it's in storage) but it > pales in comparison to the PMC-10 by Digitech--same thing only different, > although less bulletproof. My question is, will Electrix manufacture a full > featured controller to rival the PMC? SOMEBODY really ought to-- > Gary > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 21:13:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30991; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:12:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:12:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:11:38 -0500 Subject: Re: More: Honey Barbara "I-10 & W. Ave." cd From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <11a.3395ade.28adc028@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3080841098_2640989_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3080841098_2640989_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit WHY??? on 8/16/01 7:32 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com at Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 8/16/01 8:00:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bobdog@pseudobuddha.com writes: click here http://www.emigre.com/ussub/ thank you bobdog.....:)m --MS_Mac_OE_3080841098_2640989_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: More: Honey Barbara "I-10 & W. Ave." cd WHY???






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In a message dated 8/16/01 8:00:24 PM Eastern Da= ylight Time,
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--MS_Mac_OE_3080841098_2640989_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 21:49:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03340; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:48:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:48:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010816214519.007dfce0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:45:19 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) In-Reply-To: References: <3B7BF539.5F09D0EA@zerocrossing.net> <112.3477e13.28ad1c67@aol.com> <3B7BF539.5F09D0EA@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <90oS1D.A.3z.wfHf7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:05 PM 8/16/01 -0700, you wrote: >>>>>The previous generation, >>>>being jealous, claims the music isn't "real". >[...] >Dammit, each generation OF TECHNOLOGY. Not of *people*. Gaaggh. The first time I read your post I understood it correctly the way you meant it, but then that line (subject: 'previous generation', adjective: 'jealous', verb: 'claims') threw me and I second-guessed myself. I wasn't aware that inanimate technology could be emotional or speak for itself. 'Previous' implies a chronological sequence, and I think that, along with your anthropomorphic characterization of musical equipment might be where we're getting those connotations of old luddite geezers vs. whippersnappers with their caps on sideways. I also think you've made somewhat of a sweeping generalization, although I do agree with where you went with it when you pointed out the futility/impossibility of trying to please everyone. I also concur almost entirely with your opinion of the state of copyright ownership transfer. It makes me wonder what John Lennon and Nick Drake would think of having been made posthumous spokesmen for sneakers and volkswagens. -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 21:53:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03545; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:51:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:51:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010901c126bf$2ce37e00$95aa5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: Repeater Foot Controller Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:51:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <5O4v8B.A.R3.YiHf7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mr. Monk recommends the Lake Butler MIDI Midigator as a means to control the Repeater. Since I happen to have one (with the RAM expanded) and am eyeballing the Repeater (waiting for LD members' reviews of actual units), I have to ask exactly what features of the Repeater require such a beast that aren't handled by the Repeater's own controls? Or have I missed the point and a pedal board is duplicating those controls in a hands-free manner? Please inform. Cheers, Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, send email to: emusic-wdiy-subscribe@yahoogroups.com -----Original Message----- From: mr monk To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thursday, August 16, 2001 8:06 PM Subject: Re: Repeater Foot Controller >i can recommend highly the lake butler midi midigator. it's [snip] > >on 8/16/01 12:17 PM, PaulPokr@aol.com at PaulPokr@aol.com wrote: >> I know somewhere in the murky past, this topic was discussed, but what are >> folks gonna use to control this beast? >> Unfortunately, I just sold my Yamaha MFC-10 MIDI Pedal. 'Guess I'll be buyin' >> another MIDI controller. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 21:56:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03792; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:55:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:55:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011401c126bf$bc9b7c00$95aa5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: Repeater Foot Controller Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:55:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <6Lu04D.A._6.GmHf7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: mr monk To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thursday, August 16, 2001 9:15 PM Subject: Re: Repeater Foot Controller >i'ave been looking to replace my >midigator before my last two die... Of what did your previous Midigators die? (How many died on you?) When I bought my Midigator in 1995, it was "dead" but I sent it to Lake Butler and they fixed it and did the RAM enhancement. I can only assume that LB is still supporting the Midigator but even that can have changed since '95... Cheers, Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, send email to: emusic-wdiy-subscribe@yahoogroups.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 22:00:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05075; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:59:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:59:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010816185651.00b72e00@mail.mindspring.com> X-Files: The truth is out there. Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:57:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Subject: Re: Repeater Foot Controller In-Reply-To: <011401c126bf$bc9b7c00$95aa5cd1@-> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <_3R3vC.A.v9.dpHf7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't think LB is around anymore. At 09:55 PM 2001/08/16 -0400, you wrote: >Of what did your previous Midigators die? (How many died on you?) When I >bought my Midigator in 1995, it was "dead" but I sent it to Lake Butler >and they >fixed it and did the RAM enhancement. I can only assume that LB is still >supporting the Midigator but even that can have changed since '95... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 22:00:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05076; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:59:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:59:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:58:53 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Repeater Foot Controller Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4NXrL.A.S-.kpHf7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >i can recommend highly the lake butler midi midigator. it's >"out ot print" but they do pop up used. it'll send many midi message per >footoswitch inlcluding sysex, program, controllers, and it has an input for >acv pedal with many many options. it stores song titles with strings of >changes for each of the five switches per song. somehting like 128 songs... >pretty amazing. I agree with the positive comments about the Mitigator. I have two (and no, you can't have one). I'd also add that it's encased in rubber so it's waterproof AND it's got the brightest LEDs I've ever seen -- so you can see it if you play outdoors... /t .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 22:04:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05366; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:03:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:03:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:01:47 -0500 Subject: Re: Repeater Foot Controller From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010816185651.00b72e00@mail.mindspring.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0NUM7.A.cTB.CtHf7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com do any of you midigator owners still have the macintosh editing software for it? on 8/16/01 8:57 PM, Sean at sean_@mindspring.com wrote: > I don't think LB is around anymore. > > At 09:55 PM 2001/08/16 -0400, you wrote: >> Of what did your previous Midigators die? (How many died on you?) When I >> bought my Midigator in 1995, it was "dead" but I sent it to Lake Butler >> and they >> fixed it and did the RAM enhancement. I can only assume that LB is still >> supporting the Midigator but even that can have changed since '95... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 22:06:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05684; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:05:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:05:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:04:12 -0500 Subject: Re: Repeater Foot Controller From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <011401c126bf$bc9b7c00$95aa5cd1@-> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mine are both still working (thank god).... knock wood... but i dispair of finding something to take their place...i am always on the look out for a backup-backup. an audio engineer friend of mine always says " have two of everything, if it's something you USE, then have three..." monk on 8/16/01 8:55 PM, Bill Fox at billfox@fast.net wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: mr monk > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Thursday, August 16, 2001 9:15 PM > Subject: Re: Repeater Foot Controller > > >> i'ave been looking to replace my >> midigator before my last two die... > > Of what did your previous Midigators die? (How many died on you?) When I > bought my Midigator in 1995, it was "dead" but I sent it to Lake Butler and > they > fixed it and did the RAM enhancement. I can only assume that LB is still > supporting the Midigator but even that can have changed since '95... > > Cheers, > > Bill billfox@fast.net > http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html > ============================================================================ ==> = > Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at > 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and > Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. > Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org > Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox > To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, send > email to: emusic-wdiy-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 22:09:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA06121; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:08:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:08:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:06:37 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Repeater Foot Controller Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >do any of you midigator owners still have the macintosh editing software for >it? Macintosh editing software?!? I vaguely, vaguely remember some sort of ultimately lame Hypercard or similar librarian... was that it? /t .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 22:09:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA06122; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:08:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:08:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: (OT) Copyright in a Sampled World... Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 19:08:23 -0700 Organization: Darklock Communications Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0ynHC.A.hfB.GyHf7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:45:56 -0700, "Kevin Mulvihill" wrote: >Caliban, I was with you in your message below until the very >end. There, you talk about how "absolutely essential" you believe the >concept of copyright law is, but you yourself consciously do not, in >practice, adhere to it. I can see from your posts that you are very >intelligent, so let me ask you: does this seem like a double standard to >you, or is there some way to reconcile the two conflicting positions? Concept and current statute are very different things. I think the existing laws are wrong, but I don't think copyright should be abolished altogether. Artists need to be protected from corporate predators, but the current laws effectively make artistic production secondary to monetary return. That needs to change, but someone who wants to change it has to end up in a federal court first. >In your long message below, when it comes to the question of the artist >doing what they want to with another's artistic work, you're suggestion, >apparently, is to do what you wish, claim 'fair use' - and hope no one sues >you. Actually, it's "honestly try to be fair, hope the artist agrees with your idea of 'fair', and hope the law agrees if the artist doesn't". >From a copyright law perspective, no amount of sampling is acceptable, period. It's all in a big grey area. If you're in that grey area, hoping no one sues you is all you *can* do. >So, Caliban, I'm just wondering: assuming that you do want to earn some >buckolas from your music, how do you legally and morally justify your use of >samples (meaning music created by others and used without permission or >compensation) under the fair use doctrine? Morally? Civil disobedience. Our country was founded on it. Remember the Boston tea party? Same thing. I'm chucking other people's tea into my harbor and refusing to pay the taxes. ;) Legally? Ahh, now we're talking. I don't care about that USC 17 paragraph 107 "fair use" crap. That's just icing. What *I'm* on about is nothing less than the U.S. Constitution, Article I, Section 8, Clause 8: "[The Congress shall have power...] To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;" Now, you see, *that* is the CONCEPT of copyright. The part that's "absolutely essential". There's also a valid fair use defense, but I intend to challenge the whole damn system on constitutional grounds if anyone's ever dumb enough to take me to court. Dumb enough? Am I that arrogant? You betcha. No matter *how* it comes out, I win. Oh, I may be held responsible for infringement and told to pay millions of dollars, sure -- but between the media blitz, the subculture rabble-rousing, and the marketing synergy, I guarantee you I'll manage to get rich off it. And if I tear down the whole damn thing and manage to start something that at least PRETENDS to protect the artist, I just *might* become the single most important figure in the history of sampling. "And it ought to be remembered that there is nothing more difficult to take in hand, more perilous to conduct, or more uncertain in its success, then to take the lead in the introduction of a new order of things. Because the innovator has for enemies all those who have done well under the old conditions, and lukewarm defenders in those who may do well under the new." -- "The Prince", Niccolo Machiavelli From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 22:16:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA06675; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:15:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:15:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010816221144.007dd7a0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:11:44 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: EDP Audio Path In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010816003847.00ac3e58@loopers-delight.com> References: <00c901c125ae$c59afa90$6501a8c0@stevespc> <5.1.0.14.0.20010815100422.00a95e88@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just wish they all had some means to control the wet/dry mix... Not necessarily separate outs, but at least a balance control. At 12:43 AM 8/16/01 -0700, kim wrote: >I think they mostly all work like that, to some extent or another. I don't >think anybody would design a looper in such a way that everybody had to use >it with a mixer for even the most simple applications. >>Do all looping devices operate in this way, or do some require some type >>of direct path to be maintained so that if looping isn't desired, the >>original sound will be heard? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 22:26:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07304; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:25:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:25:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 19:19:36 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Repeater Foot Controller In-reply-to: <011401c126bf$bc9b7c00$95aa5cd1@-> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1214107407==_ma============" References: <011401c126bf$bc9b7c00$95aa5cd1@-> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1214107407==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > >i'ave been looking to replace my > >midigator before my last two die... I bought a used MIDI Mitigator, and it started to flake out and lose its presets. This proved to be a worn out battery. I ordered a replacement from Lake Butler and installed it myself. This fixed my problem. A problem that may be more difficult to fix is contacting the Mitigator manufacturer Lake Butler Sound Company. They appear to have gone out of business. Lake Butler itself is apparently still there, and Emmett Bradford had a residential listing last I looked, but I didn't pursue it further. I agree that it is a solid and flexible piece of gear. My major complaint is that it has only five registers per bank (lots of banks though). The Digitech PMC-10 (also discontinued) has much greater flexibility but is extremely fragile. The switches in particular are funky and easy to break, and replacement parts are not to be had. My choice is usually to combine a solidly built but basically "dumb" controller with a computer running Max. The advantage of this is unlimited control flexibility, since you can program what you need. The disadvantage is that you have to use a computer (not a big schlep if it's a Powerbook or iBook) and that you have be able to program. Neither of those is a big problem in my book. You can buy a serviceable older Powerbook for $100 and a MIDI interface for $50. Programming in Max is easy. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz --============_-1214107407==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Repeater Foot Controller
>i'ave been looking to replace my
>midigator before my last two die...

I bought a used MIDI Mitigator, and it started to flake out and lose its presets. This proved to be a worn out battery. I ordered a replacement from Lake Butler and installed it myself. This fixed my problem.

A problem that may be more difficult to fix is contacting the Mitigator manufacturer Lake Butler Sound Company.  They appear to have gone out of business. Lake Butler itself is apparently still there, and Emmett Bradford had a residential listing last I looked, but I didn't pursue it further.

I agree that it is a solid and flexible piece of gear. My major complaint is that it has only five registers per bank (lots of banks though). The Digitech PMC-10 (also discontinued) has much greater flexibility but is extremely fragile. The switches in particular are funky and easy to break, and replacement parts are not to be had.

My choice is usually to combine a solidly built but basically "dumb" controller with a computer running Max. The advantage of this is unlimited control flexibility, since you can program what you need. The disadvantage is that you have to use a computer (not a big schlep if it's a Powerbook or iBook) and that you have be able to program. Neither of those is a big problem in my book. You can buy a serviceable older Powerbook for $100 and a MIDI interface for $50. Programming in Max is easy.
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--============_-1214107407==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 22:32:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07749; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:31:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:31:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:29:43 -0500 Subject: Re: Repeater Foot Controller From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3080845783_2923634_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3080845783_2923634_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit five registers has always been enough for me...( the repeater may change that...) i am trying to figure out what gives the pmc-10 ti's "greater flexibility" do tell... and i don;t know max (except by reputation in "where the wild things are"...) i have a couple of powerbooks, tho... on 8/16/01 9:19 PM, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote: >i'ave been looking to replace my >midigator before my last two die... I bought a used MIDI Mitigator, and it started to flake out and lose its presets. This proved to be a worn out battery. I ordered a replacement from Lake Butler and installed it myself. This fixed my problem. A problem that may be more difficult to fix is contacting the Mitigator manufacturer Lake Butler Sound Company. They appear to have gone out of business. Lake Butler itself is apparently still there, and Emmett Bradford had a residential listing last I looked, but I didn't pursue it further. I agree that it is a solid and flexible piece of gear. My major complaint is that it has only five registers per bank (lots of banks though). The Digitech PMC-10 (also discontinued) has much greater flexibility but is extremely fragile. The switches in particular are funky and easy to break, and replacement parts are not to be had. My choice is usually to combine a solidly built but basically "dumb" controller with a computer running Max. The advantage of this is unlimited control flexibility, since you can program what you need. The disadvantage is that you have to use a computer (not a big schlep if it's a Powerbook or iBook) and that you have be able to program. Neither of those is a big problem in my book. You can buy a serviceable older Powerbook for $100 and a MIDI interface for $50. Programming in Max is easy. --MS_Mac_OE_3080845783_2923634_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Repeater Foot Controller five registers has always been enough for me...( the repeater may change th= at...) i am trying to figure out what gives the pmc-10 ti's "greater fl= exibility" do tell... and i don;t know max (except by reputation in &qu= ot;where the wild things are"...) i have a couple of powerbooks, tho...=




on 8/16/01 9:19 PM, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote:

>i'ave been looking to replace my
>midigator before my last two die...

I bought a used MIDI Mitigator, and it started to flake out and lose its pr= esets. This proved to be a worn out battery. I ordered a replacement from La= ke Butler and installed it myself. This fixed my problem.

A problem that may be more difficult to fix is contacting the Mitigator man= ufacturer Lake Butler Sound Company.  They appear to have gone out of b= usiness. Lake Butler itself is apparently still there, and Emmett Bradford h= ad a residential listing last I looked, but I didn't pursue it further.

I agree that it is a solid and flexible piece of gear. My major complaint i= s that it has only five registers per bank (lots of banks though). The Digit= ech PMC-10 (also discontinued) has much greater flexibility but is extremely= fragile. The switches in particular are funky and easy to break, and replac= ement parts are not to be had.

My choice is usually to combine a solidly built but basically "dumb&qu= ot; controller with a computer running Max. The advantage of this is unlimit= ed control flexibility, since you can program what you need. The disadvantag= e is that you have to use a computer (not a big schlep if it's a Powerbook o= r iBook) and that you have be able to program. Neither of those is a big pro= blem in my book. You can buy a serviceable older Powerbook for $100 and a MI= DI interface for $50. Programming in Max is easy.

--MS_Mac_OE_3080845783_2923634_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 22:35:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08076; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:33:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:33:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a101c126c4$ad21bf00$0c0aa8c0@doug> From: "Bickley" To: References: Subject: Re: (OT) Copyright in a Sampled World... Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:31:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > "And it ought to be remembered that there is nothing more difficult to > take in hand, more perilous to conduct, or more uncertain in its > success, then to take the lead in the introduction of a new order of > things. Because the innovator has for enemies all those who have done > well under the old conditions, and lukewarm defenders in those who may > do well under the new." -- "The Prince", Niccolo Machiavelli OK, now you've gotten ridiculous. If you seriously think that composing music by juxtaposing various samples together is some sort of "new order", you're lost. No matter how intelligent or interesting you (or your music) are, you're still: 1) violating copyright laws, and more importantly the rights of the artists you choose to juxtapose 2) just throwing other people's tea into "your harbor" Go practice your scales, arpeggios, etc., and develop some real songwriting skills. Make your own tea. Maybe someone will sample you. Out. Dig From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 22:58:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09778; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:57:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:57:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: YooN08@aol.com Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:55:14 EDT Subject: Re: unsubscribe To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <17.1a332628.28ade193@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 23:01:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11113; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 23:00:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 23:00:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: (OT) Copyright in a Sampled World... Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 20:04:29 -0700 Organization: Darklock Communications Message-ID: References: <00a101c126c4$ad21bf00$0c0aa8c0@doug> In-Reply-To: <00a101c126c4$ad21bf00$0c0aa8c0@doug> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:31:09 -0500, "Bickley" wrote: >OK, now you've gotten ridiculous. No, you've just misunderstood. >If you seriously think that composing music by juxtaposing various samples >together is some sort of "new order", you're lost. Oh, I don't. I think copyright laws that actually make sense and protect artists without unreasonably restricting creativity are the "new order of things" we need. We can't let everybody do anything, but we need to let people do *something*. "Control over the use of one's ideas really constitutes control over other people's lives, and it is usually used to make their lives more difficult." -- Richard Stallman >Go practice your scales, arpeggios, etc., and develop some real songwriting >skills. Make your own tea. I've covered that. Go home. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 23:08:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11585; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 23:07:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 23:07:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010816230412.007dba50@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 23:04:12 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.20010815194508.007db9a0@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010813234410.007e4850@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010813234410.007e4850@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010814201806.007d1e30@pop.ici.net> <7mmjntkdhp0v73ipps54uh3fp487h4hejt@4ax.com> <3.0.5.32.20010815194508.007db9a0@pop.ici.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:12 PM 8/15/01 -0700, you wrote: >I hate it when people try to tell me what I think, and bitch >about it for days whenever it happens. Please accept my apologies; I >*should* have said "evidently" or "apparently", at the very least. No apology necessary. But you're doing it again. (See below) >But isn't the selection and juxtaposition of those chunks *potentially* >original musical input? Look at Pink Floyd -- the order of the songs on >each album is profoundly important to the work as a whole, and has >definite musical value. Besides short snips like Gomer Pyle ('Surprise, surprise, surprise!') and a soccer stadium crowd singing 'You'll Never Walk Alone', most of the Floyd's sampling has been of original material (e.g. roadie Roger the Hat's stoned laughter on 'Dark Side' which was culled from interviews conducted and recorded by the band itself) or nature/machinery sounds (The EMI tape library/bugs and birds on 'Grantchester Meadows', Syd's clock montage on Piper, Waters' cash register loop on 'Money', stuff like that), and most of their looping has been of passages played by band members (such as Mason's drum loops on the studio side of 'Ummagumma') so I don't see the connection. Sure, the sequencing of an album's tracks is *extremely* important to the way the work is perceived, and IS an art in itself, but we were talking about using unauthorized eight-measure chunks of OTHER people's well-knownm, commercially relased music, and I can't think of any time Pink Floyd did that. >But you've already stated that you don't feel rearranging the samples >constitutes originality. When did I say that? It's the nature of the samples themselves as previously prepared and complete musical statements (you say 'phrases') that I was referring to, not the act of altering/editing/mutating them. (Those things are fun.) What got me into looping in the first place was a series of musique concrete pieces I did about 20 years ago. (Hear one at , track #9). I have a deep respect for skilled practitioners of audio montage, not that I include myself among them; as I've stated (and this is the last time, honest), what I object to is how BLATANTLY unoriginal some sampling is. (Note that I said 'some', not 'all'...) Anyone can drop a needle on a turntable and play 45 seconds of an Abba record, but it's not everyone who can use a turntable (or a sampler) as a musical instrument to express their own creative voice. -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 23:32:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA13138; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 23:31:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 23:31:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B7C9126.8DB6FD2F@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 20:42:18 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) References: <3B7BF539.5F09D0EA@zerocrossing.net> <112.3477e13.28ad1c67@aol.com> <3B7BF539.5F09D0EA@zerocrossing.net> <3.0.5.32.20010816214519.007dfce0@pop.ici.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1NXzhD.A.JMD.G_If7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim Nelson wrote: > At 12:05 PM 8/16/01 -0700, you wrote: > >>>>>The previous generation, > >>>>being jealous, claims the music isn't "real". > >[...] > >Dammit, each generation OF TECHNOLOGY. Not of *people*. Gaaggh. > > The first time I read your post I understood it correctly the way you meant > it, but then that line (subject: 'previous generation', adjective: > 'jealous', verb: 'claims') threw me and I second-guessed myself. I wasn't > aware that inanimate technology could be emotional or speak for itself. > 'Previous' implies a chronological sequence, and I think that, along with > your anthropomorphic characterization of musical equipment might be where > we're getting those connotations of old luddite geezers vs. whippersnappers > with their caps on sideways. > > I also think you've made somewhat of a sweeping generalization, although I > do agree with where you went with it when you pointed out the > futility/impossibility of trying to please everyone. I also concur almost > entirely with your opinion of the state of copyright ownership transfer. It > makes me wonder what John Lennon and Nick Drake would think of having been > made posthumous spokesmen for sneakers and volkswagens. > > -t didn't john wear sneaks with a suit to some big celeb event once? better than a hundred billboards... and come to think of it, didn't nick drive a bug? :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 23:37:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA13516; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 23:36:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 23:36:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 20:40:49 -0700 Organization: Darklock Communications Message-ID: References: <3.0.5.32.20010813234410.007e4850@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010814201806.007d1e30@pop.ici.net> <7mmjntkdhp0v73ipps54uh3fp487h4hejt@4ax.com> <3.0.5.32.20010815194508.007db9a0@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010816230412.007dba50@pop.ici.net> In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010816230412.007dba50@pop.ici.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 23:04:12 -0400, Tim Nelson wrote: >At 09:12 PM 8/15/01 -0700, you wrote: >>I hate it when people try to tell me what I think, and bitch >>about it for days whenever it happens. Please accept my apologies; I >>*should* have said "evidently" or "apparently", at the very least. > >No apology necessary. But you're doing it again. (See below) Not to my knowledge, I'm not. See below. >Besides short snips like Gomer Pyle ('Surprise, surprise, surprise!') Dammit, now I've got "Nobody Home" in my head. Okay, that sounded *really* bad. I'd delete it, but it's too funny. >Sure, the sequencing of an album's tracks is *extremely* >important to the way the work is perceived, and IS an art in itself So why isn't it also art if a series of samples are likewise sequenced? >but we >were talking about using unauthorized eight-measure chunks of OTHER >people's well-knownm, commercially relased music, No we weren't. We were talking about whether arrangement constituted creativity. Or, at least, that's what *I* was talking about. Context is important. >>But you've already stated that you don't feel rearranging the samples >>constitutes originality. > >When did I say that? "Just as when a curator puts together an exhibit at an art museum, the way the works are juxtaposed can have a LOT to do with the way they're perceived by the viewer. But the curator, skilled as he may be, did not create the art." My contention is that there are two layers of art which then constitute a third combined layer. The curator has made an arrangement, which is art, and the artists have made... well, art. The two combined make an exhibit, which is also art. Likewise with sample-based work: there is the art made by the people I sampled, and the art of putting them all together, and that results in a final work of art. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 23:44:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA13849; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 23:41:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 23:41:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B7C91E6.33A983F2@altruistmusic.com> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 20:39:19 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) References: <112.3477e13.28ad1c67@aol.com> <00a601c12671$a4cc31d0$080210ac@jpalmer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This thread is not exactly the most basic of intros anymore... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 23:52:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14494; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 23:51:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 23:51:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.119.52] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Samplestation@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) I Need A Drop ! Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:50:28 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2001 03:50:29.0047 (UTC) FILETIME=[C18DDC70:01C126CF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

I need a Drop for my radio show, something like "You Are In The Mix With Dj Devious D", I will take a MP3 or .WAV file !

Be creative... no music behind the vocal though, and you can use any effect you want. I can't pay you for this, because this is for a College Radio Station (we are non profit). Just make your magic and send the attachment to Dj_Devious_D@Hotmail.com !




Lucien E. Darthard

A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It.

http://go.to/ldarthard/

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From: Andre LaFosse
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To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 20:39:19 -0700
This thread is not exactly the most basic of intros anymore...

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 00:21:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA17111; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 00:19:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 00:19:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 00:18:21 -0400 To: The Caliban Tiresias Darklock List From: Tom Ritchford Subject: enough about other people's loops! (LONG) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id AAA17071 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com awright, enough of this. CTD wrote: >Concept and current statute are very different things. I think the >existing laws are wrong, but I don't think copyright should be abolished >altogether. Artists need to be protected from corporate predators, but >the current laws effectively make artistic production secondary to >monetary return. That needs to change, but someone who wants to change >it has to end up in a federal court first. Copyright law seems to work *fairly* well. Individuals have actually used copyright laws to make money from large corporations. Without SOME sort of copyright, if I made a great CD, it'd be copied and distributed by huge companies and I'd not make a penny. If you believe that creativity springs from individuals and not corporations, then copyright, trademarks and patents are how individuals secure the fruits of their creativity from the those greedy corporations. If you have a good solid suggestion for changes, lay 'em on us. >Legally? Ahh, now we're talking. I don't care about that USC 17 >paragraph 107 "fair use" crap. That's just icing. What *I'm* on about is >nothing less than the U.S. Constitution, Article I, Section 8, Clause 8: >"[The Congress shall have power...] To promote the progress of science >and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors >the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;" > >Now, you see, *that* is the CONCEPT of copyright. The part that's >"absolutely essential". There's also a valid fair use defense, but I >intend to challenge the whole damn system on constitutional grounds if >anyone's ever dumb enough to take me to court. You will lose. "exclusive rights" is exactly what you are NOT respecting by sampling other people's works. >Dumb enough? Am I that arrogant? You betcha. No matter *how* it comes >out, I win. Oh, I may be held responsible for infringement and told to >pay millions of dollars, sure -- but between the media blitz, the >subculture rabble-rousing, and the marketing synergy, I guarantee you >I'll manage to get rich off it. This is an interesting plan. You get sued and you'll make money off it! This has not worked before. Lawsuits have been the ruin of many many a musician. The only two I can think of who managed to survive lawsuits were Zappa and Tom Scholz (from Boston), and they *initiated* the suits -- because their copyrights were stolen by large corporations. Do you have a real plan for this? Do you think that people will buy your non-label album just because you are in the news (and in the business section, too, not on the front page?) >And if I tear down the whole damn thing >and manage to start something that at least PRETENDS to protect the >artist, I just *might* become the single most important figure in the >history of sampling. too late: Pierre Schaeffer invented it. Karlheinz Stockhausen brought it to mastery. (Do check out Hymnen (1970), available from , if you really want to hear mastery over sampling.) Now, these guys ain't rich or famous. (Shaeffer is dead, in fact.) But they are as important in the history of sampling as you are going to get. >"And it ought to be remembered that there is nothing more difficult to >take in hand, more perilous to conduct, or more uncertain in its >success, then to take the lead in the introduction of a new order of >things. Because the innovator has for enemies all those who have done >well under the old conditions, and lukewarm defenders in those who may >do well under the new." -- "The Prince", Niccolo Machiavelli This is a charming quote and particularly poignant in light of Machiavelli's own life, which was blighted by the publication of "The Prince," his great work. But, look, Caliban (damn, I can't say that without cracking up, "I'll show thee every fertile inch o' th' island... and I will kiss thy foot.") Long in chutzpah you may be, but you need some substance to go with that. Your music is perfectly competent and quite stirring... I do rather like that sort of thing... it's well-produced... but it's nothing memorable, at least if is any indication. It's just regular breakbeat stuff, and in fact you don't really use the samples that well. Though the samples fit together neatly enough, there are just too many of them. You don't seem really interested in any of them specifically and it becomes some sort of guessing game. Quickly the ear grows a little tired and wants to hear something new and memorable. You also use some samples that are rather, er, jejune. (tired, old, stale). Give Chuck D a rest! And the unfamiliar samples still fall into familiar categories (anal sex references seem to be all the rage recently in hip-hop, what's with this??) (You don't fall into the third trap, predictable return of a previous sample after 4, 8 or 16 beats.) It's entertaining and it's slick but it isn't going to make you the Great Man you are trying to set yourself up to be with all this blather. Why not do something REALLY different? ------------------------------------ In the spirit of fair play, I include the one piece of my material (so far) which uses any samples. This in fact uses a *single* long uncleared sample that was given to me on a CD by the director of a play I was working on, a Spanish song with an orchestral background. I played all the instruments myself and edited it in MIDI. (There's also some very evil stuff in the ultra-low end, but I don't think it makes it through the mp3 process -- do be careful though...) I view my piece as a setting of the original work, though not in a literal manner, and also as a complete piece on its own. It comes to a height about 30 seconds before the end when the electronics and the music finally make contact in a rising swirl of quiet feedback and then fade into music again and silence. Your comments are solicited. Go crazy. /t .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 00:38:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA18113; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 00:37:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 00:37:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B7C9F49.ABD49DC8@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:36:25 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: enough about other people's loops! (LONG) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com VERY nice. I do have to give it another listen on my main system. My 12" sub needs a good workout. Yum. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 00:53:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA19100; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 00:52:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 00:52:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200108170452.AAA24459@tisch.mail.mindspring.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:03:11 -0700 Subject: Introduction, and question on DeltaLab CE 1700 Compu Effectron From: "Clifford Kane" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7EZN5B.A.HqE.9LKf7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'm new to this forum and site--I found it a while ago after looking for info on looping. A great site, and I've really enjoyed the Loopers Delight sound samples--some very cool stuff! I do have a question for anyone who might be able to help me: I've just gotten a DeltaLab CE 1700 Compu Effectron, but with no manual...after the unit boots-up it seems to freeze in either the bypass mode or on a delay setting. When it does function it's stuck in a delay setting. My intuition is getting me no where with this unit! It's also a little warm on the right side by the AC cord. The unit looks like it's mint, and it does seem to be behaving in some manner, I just can't figure it out. Any one out there know these, and can you give some pointers on how to work it? Are there any manuals archived or available for these? ANY help will be appreciated. Once again, a great site, and some inspiring stuff here! Cheers! and thanks, Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 01:00:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA19554; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 00:58:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 00:58:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010817005508.007e3440@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 00:55:08 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.20010816230412.007dba50@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010813234410.007e4850@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010814201806.007d1e30@pop.ici.net> <7mmjntkdhp0v73ipps54uh3fp487h4hejt@4ax.com> <3.0.5.32.20010815194508.007db9a0@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010816230412.007dba50@pop.ici.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:40 PM 8/16/01 -0700, you wrote: >>but we were talking about using unauthorized eight-measure chunks of OTHER >>people's well-known, commercially released music, > >No we weren't. We were talking about whether arrangement constituted >creativity. Or, at least, that's what *I* was talking about. Context is >important. Remember Ice-T and Lynyrd Skynyrd? Whole verses? Your reference to "_my own_ work"? You've been adding variables throughout this whole thread. It started out as a simple statement. You said: "This is also reflected in my own work. ... like the opening verse of Ice-T's "Colors" overlaid on the introduction to Lynyrd Skynyrd's "Sweet Home Alabama". ..." To which I responded: "...when you talk about lifting entire verses wholesale from other artists' music, to what extent can you really say it's your *own* work?" Then as we've gone along, suddenly or gradually you're not 'relying' on samples (they're just tools in a toolbox), you're playing a whole slew of instruments, you're processing the samples through all manner of effects; in general, downplaying the prominence you'd initially attributed to the samples, unadorned, lengthy and conspicuous as integral elements in your work as you reveal the heretofore unmentioned myriad facets of your musicianship like one of those Russian dolls-within-a-doll. There's absolutely nothing wrong with any of that, rather, it speaks well of your scope and versatility, but my question was not intended to encompass the specifics you hadn't mentioned yet. In your original statement, the one to which I've been responding, my interpretation was that you emphasised leaving the samples alone as much as possible, making it a point for them to be recognisable to capitalize on their implicit context, asking how we felt about using material with particularly high connotative value gleaned from obscure meaning. To be fair, I think that was an excellent question, and that my reaction was tangential. I never addressed your central query, and you never really answered mine, instead essentially obfuscating it with new details. Yes, context IS important. >>>But you've already stated that you don't feel rearranging the samples >>>constitutes originality. >> >>When did I say that? > >"Just as when a curator puts together an exhibit at an art museum, the >way the works are juxtaposed can have a LOT to do with the way they're >perceived by the viewer. But the curator, skilled as he may be, did not >create the art." Ah. But I never said the curator couldn't be original, unique, creative or revolutionary in how he displays the pieces. What I'm saying is that he can't legitimately claim them as his *own* work. >there is >the art made by the people I sampled, and the art of putting them all >together, and that results in a final work of art. That sounds like a collaborative effort to me, although it's missing the participatory element; consent, feedback, empathy, whatever. It remains unanswered whether Ices -T and -Cube or the ghosts of Mr. Van Zandt&Co. would agree with your assessment of the whole being greater than the sum of the parts. Maybe it is, I don't know, and it probably doesn't really matter except from a legalistic standpoint. I just think it's difficult to justify sampling a whole verse of someone else's song. -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 01:11:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA21393; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 01:10:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 01:10:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010816230412.007dba50@pop.ici.net> References: <3.0.5.32.20010815194508.007db9a0@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010813234410.007e4850@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010813234410.007e4850@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010814201806.007d1e30@pop.ici.net> <7mmjntkdhp0v73ipps54uh3fp487h4hejt@4ax.com> <3.0.5.32.20010815194508.007db9a0@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010816230412.007dba50@pop.ici.net> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 01:09:50 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Basic into (TO) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim Nelson wrote: >What got me into looping in the first place was a >series of musique concrete pieces I did about 20 years ago. (Hear one at >html>, track #9). I listened to both your cuts from this page (actually, I'm listening to the second, hidden one right now) and they are just what I like. However, one of the cuts is in fact hidden... tracks 1 and 9 seem to link to the same piece, and you have to guess to get to the secret second piece! ^ but it's worth the hunt. Still, you should get the webmaster to fix it -- I think the second piece is stronger and more modern sounding, too... /t .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 01:28:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA22289; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 01:26:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 01:26:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:54:33 -0700 From: glenn Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: <386vJD.A.kbF.1rKf7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm > interested in people's positions with respect to their own music. I'm going to answer "with respect to music": It should communicate feelings, preferable noble or transcendent ones, reach down inside of you and take hold and gently lift you with surges of restrained and unlimited power, then gracefully waft you back to your seat, cathartically present, and at peace with god and man(and woman). I'm mentally picturing the bass looping festival in san jose as a model for this, but great amusement park ride like "Indiana Jones" or seeing a Spielberg movie or something might comprise a seriously lesser example. More base drives can be alluded to but only as a matter of conflict which is then to be resolved. A motif like the voice of a person calling out "I'm alive" from mountain top faint at first and almost lost in the mix until the song rises up around it like a choir and fades like a helicopter mounted panavision camera rising away from an arms out to the sides, swirling Julie alp-top Andrews, ... as you gracefully return to earth like a feather coming to rest in the place where you started, only different. FWIW, glenn I'm > interested in people's positions with respect to their own music. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 02:40:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA27096; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 02:38:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 02:38:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B7CBB9F.7CECFE49@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 23:37:19 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Technology for sale: G3 system $500 References: <3.0.5.32.20010815194508.007db9a0@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010813234410.007e4850@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010813234410.007e4850@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010814201806.007d1e30@pop.ici.net> <7mmjntkdhp0v73ipps54uh3fp487h4hejt@4ax.com> <3.0.5.32.20010815194508.007db9a0@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010816230412.007dba50@pop.ici.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't let the kids pass you by! ;) I'm selling my Macintosh Power PC 7500 g3 300 160 meg 4 gig for $500 with a 17 apple display, 4x6 wacom, bw inkjet if you know anyone who's looking for something good and cheap. All the graphics, video and sound/midi software that you can imagine. Great for a musician. I'll through in a Opcode midi translator. I'd ship it, but it's fairly heavy. If you've heard my music, I record it all on this machine. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 02:50:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA27536; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 02:48:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 02:48:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Catblack" To: "Caliban Tiresias Darklock" , Subject: RE: (OT) Copyright in a Sampled World... Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 23:49:20 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, this is my first post to the list. It seems outlook is treating the digest as seperate attached messages, so it's currently a pain to read... but I've been lurking for a while now. I agree with Caliban, that new laws are needed to keep up with technology. My opinion is that when sampling first arrived, the technology made it pretty easy to spot a sample. Additionally, big, bloated music interests (boo-hiss) made sample litagation a new industry. From what I've read, the threat of suing an artist is generally enough to make them pay or not use the sample. I can imagine how it was presented to the courts, in the early days. The Judge has a set of good headphones on. They play him "Ice, Ice baby", and precedences are set. And while sampling and samplers are everywhere, the artists using them get branded as lazy... and some of them are, but the essential thing is that is re-enforced is that to use a sample, you have to pay. (Mind you, you could Onanastically sample yourself, like in the new Beta Band album. I perfer to think of sampling one's self as a production method, but the key point is that sampling has taken a bad rap.) But technology has changed. These days, I know I could sample pretty much anything and not even give a glimmer as to how it originally sounded. I have done it. The barriers are down. Now, to me, anything I hear is fodder for the mill. If I hear a nice drum break, I can slot it in, slice it up, replace the drum sounds and have a new break with the same rhythm. If I hear someone's voice that strikes me a certian way, i can bring it in, slice it around, mess with the pitch, panning, effects... the palette is endless. And if you put the headphones on the judge, I doubt he'd hear the original shining through. [Sidenote: I confess that I'm a raving fanatic for DJ Shadow's "Endtroducing..." album. I've heard it at least 200 times and I'm still hearing small sonic details. It's 99 and 44/99ths percent samples. (The 'beautiful girl' and 'came to america, saw xanadu' vocals aren't taken from something else.) I truthfully feel it is a defining moment in the history of sampled music, and a classic.] There need to be clear fair-use guideline for samples. If I took a magazine ad and used it in a collage, I'm granted protection according to US law. If I did the same with a Beatles track (assume that you couldn't tell it was the Beatles, that I would have to tell you) I would be open to litigation under our current laws. Never one to drone endlessly about an agrument, I offer you this http://www.catblack.com/example1.mp3 and http://www.catblack.com/example2.mp3 You can hear the Beatles (or at least Paul) in the second example, but not the 1st. (Note in the 1st, I'm using it twice, an octave up and an octive down!) Still, from all I've read about copyright law, I could get sued for both useages. I'll gladly slurp up any links anyone has about copyright law and what one can reasonably 'get away with' or not. But honestly, it's time to put the headphones on a judge again. Catblack -----Original Message----- From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock [mailto:caliban@darklock.com] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 8:04 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: (OT) Copyright in a Sampled World... On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:31:09 -0500, "Bickley" wrote: >OK, now you've gotten ridiculous. No, you've just misunderstood. >If you seriously think that composing music by juxtaposing various samples >together is some sort of "new order", you're lost. Oh, I don't. I think copyright laws that actually make sense and protect artists without unreasonably restricting creativity are the "new order of things" we need. We can't let everybody do anything, but we need to let people do *something*. "Control over the use of one's ideas really constitutes control over other people's lives, and it is usually used to make their lives more difficult." -- Richard Stallman >Go practice your scales, arpeggios, etc., and develop some real songwriting >skills. Make your own tea. I've covered that. Go home. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 03:29:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA30386; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 03:28:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 03:28:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 00:26:10 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Repeater Foot Controller In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1214089226==_ma============" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1214089226==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 10:06 PM -0400 8/16/01, Tom Ritchford wrote: >>do any of you midigator owners still have the macintosh editing software for >>it? > >Macintosh editing software?!? > >I vaguely, vaguely remember some sort of ultimately lame >Hypercard or similar librarian... was that it? Just as vaguely, I remember that software was written by Warren Sirota. Less vaguely, I remember running into Warren at the last NAMM show (or perhaps the one before that). He's writing PC software now and living in Oregon. wsirota@wsdesigns.com -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz --============_-1214089226==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Repeater Foot Controller
At 10:06 PM -0400 8/16/01, Tom Ritchford wrote:
do any of you midigator owners still have the macintosh editing software for
it?

Macintosh editing software?!?

I vaguely, vaguely remember some sort of ultimately lame
Hypercard or similar librarian... was that it?

Just as vaguely, I remember that software was written by Warren Sirota. Less vaguely, I remember running into Warren at the last NAMM show (or perhaps the one before that). He's writing PC software now and living in Oregon.

wsirota@wsdesigns.com
<http://www.mind.net/wsirota/>
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--============_-1214089226==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 03:54:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA31437; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 03:52:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 03:52:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007b01c126f1$73abd760$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: (OT) Copyright in a Sampled World... Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:51:30 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm a bit reminded of something that happened at a Bulletin Board party back in 1982. The couple that ran Aphrodite East - not just a dating board, but more or less a social one in the way we enjoy - had a party for all who were on it. This couple had just stopped being in the Swinging scene so that they could have kids. There were all types of people there, and some of them were in the bad habit of copping telephone credit card numbers. Coming into a room after hearing a heated bit of discussion, I heard the Sysop saying this to one of these fellows: "John, PHONE PHREAKING is NOT an ALTERNATIVE LIFESTYLE!" So it goes for copyright infringement. Sampling without giving due credit (or either getting permission to use free, or paying the poor guy who created the sample) IS NOT "civil disobediance", nor even bloody close to the Boston Tea Party, even in spirit. "Caliban Tiresias Darklock" wrote: > wrote: > > >Caliban, I was with you in your message below until the very > >end. There, you talk about how "absolutely essential" you believe the > >concept of copyright law is, but you yourself consciously do not, in > >practice, adhere to it. I can see from your posts that you are very > >intelligent, so let me ask you: does this seem like a double standard to > >you, or is there some way to reconcile the two conflicting positions? > > Concept and current statute are very different things. I think the > existing laws are wrong, but I don't think copyright should be abolished > altogether. Artists need to be protected from corporate predators, but > the current laws effectively make artistic production secondary to > monetary return. That needs to change, but someone who wants to change > it has to end up in a federal court first. > > >In your long message below, when it comes to the question of the artist > >doing what they want to with another's artistic work, you're suggestion, > >apparently, is to do what you wish, claim 'fair use' - and hope no one sues > >you. > > Actually, it's "honestly try to be fair, hope the artist agrees with > your idea of 'fair', and hope the law agrees if the artist doesn't". > >From a copyright law perspective, no amount of sampling is acceptable, > period. It's all in a big grey area. If you're in that grey area, hoping > no one sues you is all you *can* do. > > >So, Caliban, I'm just wondering: assuming that you do want to earn some > >buckolas from your music, how do you legally and morally justify your use of > >samples (meaning music created by others and used without permission or > >compensation) under the fair use doctrine? > > Morally? Civil disobedience. Our country was founded on it. Remember the > Boston tea party? Same thing. I'm chucking other people's tea into my > harbor and refusing to pay the taxes. ;) > > Legally? Ahh, now we're talking. I don't care about that USC 17 > paragraph 107 "fair use" crap. That's just icing. What *I'm* on about is > nothing less than the U.S. Constitution, Article I, Section 8, Clause 8: > "[The Congress shall have power...] To promote the progress of science > and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors > the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;" > > Now, you see, *that* is the CONCEPT of copyright. The part that's > "absolutely essential". There's also a valid fair use defense, but I > intend to challenge the whole damn system on constitutional grounds if > anyone's ever dumb enough to take me to court. > > Dumb enough? Am I that arrogant? You betcha. No matter *how* it comes > out, I win. Oh, I may be held responsible for infringement and told to > pay millions of dollars, sure -- but between the media blitz, the > subculture rabble-rousing, and the marketing synergy, I guarantee you > I'll manage to get rich off it. And if I tear down the whole damn thing > and manage to start something that at least PRETENDS to protect the > artist, I just *might* become the single most important figure in the > history of sampling. > > "And it ought to be remembered that there is nothing more difficult to > take in hand, more perilous to conduct, or more uncertain in its > success, then to take the lead in the introduction of a new order of > things. Because the innovator has for enemies all those who have done > well under the old conditions, and lukewarm defenders in those who may > do well under the new." -- "The Prince", Niccolo Machiavelli Note: mp3.com now officially supports the Music Online Competition Act of 2001, which allows for people to use and make money off your work without telling or paying you. RIAA has officially sort of said that they don't support it, despite having had a hand in designing it, from all indicators and reports. In conjunction with their stripping of ID Tags containing copyright information this could be quite telling. Coverage at http://www.earthlight.net/Thoughts002.html Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.live365.com/stations/218194 * EarthLight Online / Live! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 04:25:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA01455; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 04:24:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 04:24:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 01:28:05 -0700 Organization: Darklock Communications Message-ID: References: <3.0.5.32.20010813234410.007e4850@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010814201806.007d1e30@pop.ici.net> <7mmjntkdhp0v73ipps54uh3fp487h4hejt@4ax.com> <3.0.5.32.20010815194508.007db9a0@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010816230412.007dba50@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010817005508.007e3440@pop.ici.net> In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010817005508.007e3440@pop.ici.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 17 Aug 2001 00:55:08 -0400, Tim Nelson wrote: >At 08:40 PM 8/16/01 -0700, you wrote: >>>but we were talking about using unauthorized eight-measure chunks of OTHER >>>people's well-known, commercially released music, >> >>No we weren't. We were talking about whether arrangement constituted >>creativity. Or, at least, that's what *I* was talking about. Context is >>important. > >Remember Ice-T and Lynyrd Skynyrd? Whole verses? Your reference to "_my >own_ work"? Yes, I do. It was an example of a concept, and discussing the *example* was never really supposed to be the point. Most of what we're doing here is hashing out an understanding of what the question "really" is. So far, it seems our respective positions are (on my end) "context can provide meaning in and of itself", and (on your end) "sampling too much of someone else's song is wrong". These aren't quite close enough to one another to provide much of a conversation; it's more of an argument. Not that this is a problem; I like to argue. ;) >You've been adding variables throughout this whole thread. You've been *asking* for them. I started out with what looked like a very simple question, and the *example* turned into the focus. You kept insisting that the example wasn't enough on which to base a musical composition, and you're right -- it's not. It's just an example of the specific concept I was bringing up. That isn't the only thing I ever do. >It started out as a simple statement. You said: I'm replacing what I feel is a *very* important part of the statement. >"This is also reflected in my own work. "When I use a sample, it's not always just "that will sound good here", it's often a deliberate juxtaposition of opposing concepts -- " >like the opening verse of Ice-T's >"Colors" overlaid on the introduction to Lynyrd Skynyrd's "Sweet Home >Alabama". ..." That is an EXAMPLE. The main point, and the purpose of the discussion, was to illustrate *context* containing a meaning apart from the meaning contained in the samples themselves. It was important to the example that the samples in question be easily recognisable, too. Otherwise, I figured I'd be trying to explain for days... hey, wait a minute. :P >To which I responded: >"...when you talk about >lifting entire verses wholesale from other artists' music, to what extent >can you really say it's your *own* work?" > >Then as we've gone along, suddenly or gradually you're not 'relying' on >samples (they're just tools in a toolbox), Not in the music as a whole. The example is not the sum total of my work, nor is it the full and complete definition of the concept. It's ONLY an example, and somehow it turned into the whole conversation. >downplaying the prominence you'd initially attributed to the >samples, unadorned, lengthy and conspicuous Like I said, "When I use a sample". Such a qualification more or less requires that samples would be involved. Furthermore, the length and conspicuousness of the samples was important IN THIS INSTANCE as a "deliberate juxtaposition of opposing concepts". >but my question was not intended to encompass the >specifics you hadn't mentioned yet. But they're not specifics. They're general qualities of my work which hadn't been discussed because they weren't relevant to the *specific* point. >In your original statement, the one to which I've been responding, my >interpretation was that you emphasised leaving the samples alone as much as >possible, Actually, I merely avoided a discussion of EVERY aspect of the work because it was irrelevant to the example. The Ice-T vocal had to be heavily filtered to remove the backbeat and allow Lynyrd Skynyrd to come through, but then it was far too thin and weak so I thickened it up with some reverb and added a light bassline. >asking how we felt about using material with >particularly high connotative value gleaned from obscure meaning. That's not what I asked. I asked whether other people used context as a tool to add further meaning to their music. >I never said the curator couldn't be original, unique, creative or >revolutionary in how he displays the pieces. To be fair, you said outright that he *could*, but that this didn't make the art his. But what is the art? The individual pieces? The arrangement? The exhibition? And when the curator is given free reign to pick whatever pieces he likes for the exhibition, doesn't that begin to blur the line a little? If I hand you a kumquat, a coconut, and a banana, and say "put these on that chair", how you arrange them can say something -- but your options are limited. But if I just tell you to put three fruits on a chair, your selection of a kumquat, a coconut, and a banana says something even before you set them down. >What I'm saying is that he >can't legitimately claim them as his *own* work. At no point in time did I or anyone else claim that when I sampled Ice-T and Lynyrd Skynyrd, the samples I used suddenly became my property. I think you'd have to be pretty stupid to try and claim something like that. But your point has always sounded an awful lot like "if you sampled someone else, then the song isn't really your work". Sure, the SAMPLE isn't my work, but the whole *song*? >>there is >>the art made by the people I sampled, and the art of putting them all >>together, and that results in a final work of art. > >That sounds like a collaborative effort to me, although it's missing the >participatory element; When one person collaborates with fifty other people on a three-minute song, who is the artist? The one guy, of course. Everyone else should get a credit, if space permits, but an ID3 tag is only so big. And when you cram 20 such tracks together onto a CD, how on earth are you supposed to credit a *thousand* sources? Is it fair to credit some and not others? Where is the line drawn? Me, I draw the line on "all or none". Too many to credit? No credits. Otherwise, credit them all, no matter how small or unnoticeable the sample is. (Especially when it's hard to hear. That makes for a pleasant game of find-the-sample when people who actually read the liner notes go "hey, where did he use that?") >I just think it's difficult to justify >sampling a whole verse of someone else's song. I don't think it's difficult to justify sampling a verse. Was the entire verse necessary for the intended effect? Yes. Was the intended effect important to the song? Yes. Was the intended effect the same as the original song's effect? No. Bam, it's *artistically* justified. (Legally, of course, it's a different matter.) I said something else with it, and used only what I needed to do so. Is the horse dead yet? ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 04:39:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA01972; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 04:37:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 04:37:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.119.52] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: catblack@catblack.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Samplestation@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: Basic intro (OT) I Need A Drop ! Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 03:36:44 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2001 08:36:44.0420 (UTC) FILETIME=[BEDFCC40:01C126F7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

I guess I am a LITTLE Loopy, (no pun intended... I think ?). But I want the Accapella, so that I can mix it into my Music Montages.... And if you use music under the vocals, they might clash with my music..... See I am thinking ahead..... I will sweeten the deal... the first 5 "acceptable" drops, will get a free copy of Loops For ACID, from my immense library !




Lucien E. Darthard
A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It.

http://go.to/ldarthard/

CATBLACK Wrote :

No music behind it? what are ya? nuytz?

-----Original Message-----

I need a Drop for my radio show, something like "You Are In The Mix With Dj Devious D", I will take a MP3 or .WAV file !

Be creative... no music behind the vocal though, and you can use any effect you want. I can't pay you for this, because this is for a College Radio Station (we are non profit). Just make your magic and send the attachment to Dj_Devious_D@Hotmail.com !


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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 04:39:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA02023; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 04:38:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 04:38:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: enough about other people's loops! (LONG) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 01:42:22 -0700 Organization: Darklock Communications Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3DEtvB.A.Nf.lfNf7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 17 Aug 2001 00:18:21 -0400, Tom Ritchford wrote: >Copyright law seems to work *fairly* well. Individuals have actually >used copyright laws to make money from large corporations. Without >SOME sort of copyright, if I made a great CD, it'd be copied and >distributed by huge companies and I'd not make a penny. Which is exactly why copyright can't be abolished entirely. I used to think that would be the answer, but then I actually sat and thought about it for like... five minutes. Copyright is *essential*. >If you have a good solid suggestion for changes, lay 'em on us. The primary problem I find with copyright law is its failure to recognise that a single broad set of guidelines won't work for all art, and that the guidelines currently in place assume that duplication and distribution is available only to a few entities. Different types of art should be managed differently, not with a few minor exceptions, but with entirely separate statutes. >>Now, you see, *that* is the CONCEPT of copyright. The part that's >>"absolutely essential". There's also a valid fair use defense, but I >>intend to challenge the whole damn system on constitutional grounds if >>anyone's ever dumb enough to take me to court. > >You will lose. "exclusive rights" is exactly what >you are NOT respecting by sampling other people's works. There's still the fair use defense, but all the same I honestly don't care whether I win or lose. All I need is the forum. All my music is produced and distributed rather quietly via links over three or four mailing lists and web fora, so I don't really have anything to worry about right now. >>Dumb enough? Am I that arrogant? You betcha. No matter *how* it comes >>out, I win. Oh, I may be held responsible for infringement and told to >>pay millions of dollars, sure -- but between the media blitz, the >>subculture rabble-rousing, and the marketing synergy, I guarantee you >>I'll manage to get rich off it. > >This is an interesting plan. You get sued and you'll make >money off it! Not off being sued, but I can sure as hell use it as a springboard for any number of other things. The CD's one option; a book is another; and just plain old stirring up trouble will raise awareness. There is no such thing as bad publicity, and with a flag I can fly, there are effectively no limits. >Do you have a real plan for this? Most definitely. The worst case scenario is I go bankrupt, which isn't exactly all THAT terrible. After all, I can still make music the same as ever; the value of my work isn't in what I've *done*, but in what I am *capable* of doing. (If everyone understood that, copyright would become a lot less important to them.) By the time anyone sits up and takes notice of anything I'm doing, though, chances are I'll be doing something entirely different. The sampling thing is really more of a hobby than anything, and I don't anticipate ever trying to sell anything that's been produced in this fashion. I have plenty of stuff that isn't sample-based at all, so if I ever feel I've gotten good enough to sell a CD (and I ain't nowhere close yet) it probably won't even raise an eyebrow. >Do you think that people will buy your non-label album just >because you are in the news (and in the business section, >too, not on the front page?) Of course not. They'll buy it because it's good. They'll *hear* about it because it's in the news. Oh, and I don't expect papers to shove me in front page news because of the *case*... it's the press releases that will prick their ears. I don't expect to get any further than a capsule on the front page leading to A5 or something, and I'll be surprised if I get that. >>And if I tear down the whole damn thing >>and manage to start something that at least PRETENDS to protect the >>artist, I just *might* become the single most important figure in the >>history of sampling. > >too late: Oh, I know I'll never be the first, but nobody remembers Grand Wizard Theodore either. They remember Q-Bert. Theodore may have invented scratching in general, but Q-Bert was the one who invented most of the techniques we see today. >Long in chutzpah you may be, but you need some substance to >go with that. Got some. Ain't showing enough of it yet, unfortunately, but at least I realise it isn't showing. Some of my best ideas are lurking on the sidelines waiting for a concept worthy of their glory; the CD-in-progress "RABBAN" is going to absolutely kick ass once it makes its way to mastering, and there won't be a single sample on it. >Your music is perfectly competent and quite stirring... I do >rather like that sort of thing... it's well-produced... Really? I've always thought my production skills were pretty crap. >but it's nothing memorable, at least if > >is any indication. It's just regular breakbeat >stuff, and in fact you don't really use >the samples that well. No excuses here. I *like* regular breakbeat stuff. It's not supposed to take the world by storm. (The project that's expected to do *that* has been on the drawing board for years, and I'm still not quite ready to start actually producing it.) "Singa" was just a fun little piece. I think I pitch-shifted the main sample down too far, in retrospect. >Though the samples fit together neatly enough, there are >just too many of them. You don't seem really interested >in any of them specifically and it becomes some sort >of guessing game. Rather accurate interpretation, to be honest. I was just playing around with some beat effects, halfway watching the first episode of "South Park", and the "I like to singa" bit came on. So I thought "Hey, that's funny! I should sample that!" and spent the next hour or two putting the track together. I didn't have any particular message in mind, so it's primarily just screwing around with samples. Hey, I could call about half my tracks "Screwing Around With Samples, Volume XLIV" or something similar. ;) >Quickly the ear grows a little tired >and wants to hear something new and memorable. Yeah, I think the "theme" samples were too long and over-repeated. If I were to go back and do it again, I'd probably chop the main sample after the second measure, shorten the "take it up the ass" portion, and drop the "Rebel Without a Pause" bit entirely. That was just something I'd always wanted to do and I'd never gotten around to it, so when I needed something else toward the last half of the track I thought I might as well. Come to think of it, most of my work spirals into the toilet during the last half. I'd like to get past that, eventually. >You also use some samples that are rather, er, jejune. >(tired, old, stale). Give Chuck D a rest! Never! If I like it, I'm gonna use it. I don't think any artist should think "I want to use that, but too many other people use it so I won't". Hell, I think only three or four tracks I've made in the last year *don't* say "oh my God, that's the funky shit". >And the unfamiliar samples still fall into familiar >categories (anal sex references seem to be all >the rage recently in hip-hop, what's with this??) Don't know. I was making those references as far back as '93. Ahead of my time, I suppose. :P >(You don't fall into the third trap, predictable >return of a previous sample after 4, 8 or 16 beats.) I hate it when people do that. It's so annoying. It's like "I don't want to evolve! I don't like change! I wish it was 1980 again so I could have sex without condoms but disco would still be dead!" or something. >It's entertaining and it's slick but it isn't going >to make you the Great Man you are trying to set yourself >up to be with all this blather. If I became famous for tracks like "Singa", I'd shoot myself. It's fun, but that's about all. It could be worse, of course; I could end up famous for something like this: ftp://ftp.darklock.com/pub/darksound/teknine.mp3 My GOD that track was so *astonishingly* bad. I forgot all about it until a couple weeks ago when I was converting my RealAudio files to MP3, and I couldn't even finish listening to it. I waited for it to get better for about thirty seconds, but it just kept getting worse so I hit stop. What a godawful piece of crap. I produce a *lot* of crap, but this one was just crap squared. >Why not do something REALLY different? Well, because I don't really *want* to be "different". What I want is essentially seventies rock with a healthy dose of hip-hop, which a lot of people are *almost* doing so I'll probably look like just another rap/rock crossover. That's one of the reasons some sort of "look at me" tactic is required; I expect most people to go "oh, shit, another one" and not bother to check it out until someone shoves it in their face and says "LISTEN". Then they'll realise what a fantastic godlike genius I am and give me all their money for being such an incredibly cool guy. But until I can effectively provide that experience, I'll settle for doing stuff that's just plain fun. ;) >Your comments are solicited. Go crazy. Hrm. Um, I don't like it. No real reason though. There are *parts* I like, but overall it's just not my sort of thing. Not busy enough, I suppose; the only real musical criticism I could make is that the high frequencies seem a bit prominent, but that's strictly a nit and not even altogether bad. Maybe it will grow on me. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 04:40:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA02229; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 04:39:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 04:39:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: (OT) Copyright in a Sampled World... Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 01:43:36 -0700 Organization: Darklock Communications Message-ID: <75ipntomfi89uvk9v9oili0p86d8jnm5p6@4ax.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 23:49:20 -0700, "Catblack" wrote: >From what I've read, the >threat of suing an artist is generally enough to make them pay or not use >the sample. I have the distinct benefit of working for lawyers, so in the event I end up in court, attorney's fees are hardly an issue. The average musician doesn't have that advantage. From the accounts I've heard, the average copyright infringement case takes two to five years to resolve and costs each side about $20,000 a year. So when you go to a guy who's making chump change and say "look, whether you're guilty or not, we're going to tie you up in court for several years and cost you about $60,000 in the bargain" -- well, honestly, what else CAN you do? If I had to look that hard, cold reality dead in the face, you can bet my little pet political platform would go to sleep REAL fast. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 05:32:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA05662; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 05:30:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 05:30:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017501c126ff$369f2580$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: "Caliban Tiresias Darklock" , References: <007b01c126f1$73abd760$0201a8c0@stephen> <00d301c126f8$53b4fe80$0201a8c0@stephen> Subject: Re: (OT) Copyright in a Sampled World... Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:30:10 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > On Fri, 17 Aug 2001 09:40:42 +0100, "Stephen P. Goodman" > wrote: > > >If one is going to use one or a "great number of samples" I don't think it > >makes a bit of difference, if permission hasn't been gotten, or payment is > >avoided - especially if the artist who created the work or works needs the > >money. And who doesn't? > > The usual rate for sample usage is currently around 7.5 cents per copy. > With an average of fifty samples in a track, that's $3.75 per track and > $75 on a 20-track CD. Then you add in the cost of production and > packaging, and it gets up to about $85. Shipping and handling will kick > it up to $90, and I still haven't made a dime. But who the hell is going > to buy a $90 CD?! > > Clearance is almost impossible. Contacting several hundred artists for > permission to use the samples without payment will get a bunch of "FUCK > YOU, PAY ME!" responses, and the songs are either damaged beyond > salvation or have to be released unauthorised. > > Now, credit, we still have a problem. At three lines per sample and two > columns per CD insert page, we only get about 10 samples credited per > page. The sample credits alone take up 100 pages! > > Unfortunately, I can think of no good solution to this. Your thoughts > would be welcomed. That's the way it is. Artists are individuals, and deserve credit at least. I think it's kind of like this: I used to collect ashtrays. Really, not steal them but buy them if at all necessary. What I'd do first is - let's say I'm in a restaurant - ask the waiter or head waiter how much their ashtray is. I've never had anyone ask for money. They're so delighted that someone asked them instead of just stealing it, that they just give it to you. Only one exception ever happened to this rule: I had dinner at Caesar's Palace once before driving back from Las Vegas (Comdex). While at dinner I noticed the obvious ashtray with logo/etc. I decided to do the same routine on the cashier where one paid, and older lady who sported a beehive hairdo. She looked up at me a bit puzzled, and said, "Just take one, honey. They all do!" This is of course an exception to the rule. > >I didn't confine my comment to giving credit as you can see. In many ways > >one can see that the Big 5 have learned amongst other things from the > >Napster situation, how far they can go in the stealing of others' work. > > Sorry! I thought that was just part of your .sig block, not a specific > comment on the message. It's certainly an important enough issue that > you'd want to raise consciousness on it, and a lot of people drop those > things in their .sigs :) > > >Present result being the stripping of ID Tags from MP3 files uploaded to > >mp3.com - which could be a precedent for future efforts against artists to > >come. > > I *never* liked or worked with MP3.com -- they just rubbed me the wrong > way from day one. I'll handle my own distribution, thank you, and if I > have to work a little harder to get an audience I don't care. We all got > along fine without them up till now, didn't we? > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 06:51:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA09214; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 06:41:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 06:41:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B7CF56D.4E25D58E@cloud9.net> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 06:43:57 -0400 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Pedals References: <200108161734.NAA25519@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I intend to use a Yamaha MFC-10 OK, OK, I'll try to be a bit more helpful. If you can afford it, I'd highly recommend the Peavey PC1600X. Although it is not a pedal unit, one of the (many) nice things about it is that you can attach *any* midi pedal unit to it. That lets you turn "dumb" pedals into very sophisticated pedal units - think of it as a "pedal brain" on steriods!! If anyone wants to go that route, I have an old Yamaha MFC-2 pedal unit (not suitable on its own for driving the Repeater), which I'd be willing to sell for a reasonable price. Elby > > > Subject: Repeater Foot Controller > Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:17:42 EDT > From: PaulPokr@aol.com > To: > > Hey, all: > > I know somewhere in the murky past, this topic was discussed, but what > are folks gonna use to control this beast? > > Unfortunately, I just sold my Yamaha MFC-10 MIDI Pedal. 'Guess I'll be > buyin' another MIDI controller. > > Regards, > > Paul Richard (ASE) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 07:40:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA12165; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 07:39:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 07:39:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 00:29:33 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: (OT) Copyright in a Sampled World... In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:08 PM -0700 8/16/01, Caliban Tiresias Darklock wrote: >I think the existing laws are wrong, but I don't think copyright >should be abolished altogether. Artists need to be protected from >corporate predators, but the current laws effectively make artistic >production secondary to >monetary return. Amen. This evening I had the curious experience of purchasing my own band's 1968 album, which has been reissued without our participation or consent. The producer of the reissue, who never had anything to do with the band or its music, claims copyright. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 09:05:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA17668; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 09:03:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 09:03:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Catblack" To: "Stephen P. Goodman" , Subject: RE: (OT) Copyright in a Sampled World... Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 06:05:29 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <007b01c126f1$73abd760$0201a8c0@stephen> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Phreaking? Been there, counted the stuffed deer heads on the Secret Service's walls. But samples and copyrights: I think that it all depends on just how deep you can bury it. The analogy breaks down when one gets down to it. It's not civil disobediance, really. I mean, we are at the point where I can be a groove robber. I can steal a rhythm, maybe tune or replace a drum or four... and ala peanut butter sandwiches, it's a whole new groove. Do not adjust your set, I control the vertical (pitch), I control the horizonal (tempo)... Obviously there are instances where I'd want to clear a sample. If I felt I needed to use a specific, recognizable sample, I would clear it. Of course, if I couldn't get permission,, or afford it (and the money really isn't going to the artist, it's going to lawers and record companies -- I will not argue this point) if there is a situation like that, I would re-create the sound, much like the Bloodhound Gang did on their first album when they couldn't get permission from the Cure. (Oh course, there are instances where an artist should NOT use a sample -- like Fatboy Slim using Jim Morrison to abysmal effect.) But it IS a lifestyle! I'm living on, raised on, this mass of culture. I'm an Omega male, I'm living at the end of history (we are always at the end of history, *wink wink*) and there is currently a solid century of recorded media that I can draw from. (Not just recorded music!) Just like someone who validly uses clippings from a magazine to create art, I will use samples to get across a sonic representation of my emotional existance. I will recontextualize my experience as a human in this century, by way of the products of my surroundings, the products of my culture, the media I am inundated with. (And I swear I didn't get this philosophy while wanking off to DJ Spooky liner notes.) Of course an artist desrves credit, of course SOME samples need to be cleared! But were are currently entering into the period that the record companies feared 20 years ago. Nowadays anyone with a home computer could record a hit album using sliced up (and yea, even unrecognizable) bits of pre-recorded music. They feared it then, and that's partly why we currently have an unfair and unrealistic system in place today. Far, far too much grey. In my understanding of it, Fair Use is not applied to sound the way it is to other mediums. I welcome anyone to correct me if I am wrong. Can we at least agree that the laws need to be re-examined? Catblack -----Original Message----- From: Stephen P. Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 12:52 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: (OT) Copyright in a Sampled World... I'm a bit reminded of something that happened at a Bulletin Board party back in 1982. The couple that ran Aphrodite East - not just a dating board, but more or less a social one in the way we enjoy - had a party for all who were on it. This couple had just stopped being in the Swinging scene so that they could have kids. There were all types of people there, and some of them were in the bad habit of copping telephone credit card numbers. Coming into a room after hearing a heated bit of discussion, I heard the Sysop saying this to one of these fellows: "John, PHONE PHREAKING is NOT an ALTERNATIVE LIFESTYLE!" So it goes for copyright infringement. Sampling without giving due credit (or either getting permission to use free, or paying the poor guy who created the sample) IS NOT "civil disobediance", nor even bloody close to the Boston Tea Party, even in spirit. "Caliban Tiresias Darklock" wrote: > wrote: > > >Caliban, I was with you in your message below until the very > >end. There, you talk about how "absolutely essential" you believe the > >concept of copyright law is, but you yourself consciously do not, in > >practice, adhere to it. I can see from your posts that you are very > >intelligent, so let me ask you: does this seem like a double standard to > >you, or is there some way to reconcile the two conflicting positions? > > Concept and current statute are very different things. I think the > existing laws are wrong, but I don't think copyright should be abolished > altogether. Artists need to be protected from corporate predators, but > the current laws effectively make artistic production secondary to > monetary return. That needs to change, but someone who wants to change > it has to end up in a federal court first. > > >In your long message below, when it comes to the question of the artist > >doing what they want to with another's artistic work, you're suggestion, > >apparently, is to do what you wish, claim 'fair use' - and hope no one sues > >you. > > Actually, it's "honestly try to be fair, hope the artist agrees with > your idea of 'fair', and hope the law agrees if the artist doesn't". > >From a copyright law perspective, no amount of sampling is acceptable, > period. It's all in a big grey area. If you're in that grey area, hoping > no one sues you is all you *can* do. > > >So, Caliban, I'm just wondering: assuming that you do want to earn some > >buckolas from your music, how do you legally and morally justify your use of > >samples (meaning music created by others and used without permission or > >compensation) under the fair use doctrine? > > Morally? Civil disobedience. Our country was founded on it. Remember the > Boston tea party? Same thing. I'm chucking other people's tea into my > harbor and refusing to pay the taxes. ;) > > Legally? Ahh, now we're talking. I don't care about that USC 17 > paragraph 107 "fair use" crap. That's just icing. What *I'm* on about is > nothing less than the U.S. Constitution, Article I, Section 8, Clause 8: > "[The Congress shall have power...] To promote the progress of science > and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors > the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;" > > Now, you see, *that* is the CONCEPT of copyright. The part that's > "absolutely essential". There's also a valid fair use defense, but I > intend to challenge the whole damn system on constitutional grounds if > anyone's ever dumb enough to take me to court. > > Dumb enough? Am I that arrogant? You betcha. No matter *how* it comes > out, I win. Oh, I may be held responsible for infringement and told to > pay millions of dollars, sure -- but between the media blitz, the > subculture rabble-rousing, and the marketing synergy, I guarantee you > I'll manage to get rich off it. And if I tear down the whole damn thing > and manage to start something that at least PRETENDS to protect the > artist, I just *might* become the single most important figure in the > history of sampling. > > "And it ought to be remembered that there is nothing more difficult to > take in hand, more perilous to conduct, or more uncertain in its > success, then to take the lead in the introduction of a new order of > things. Because the innovator has for enemies all those who have done > well under the old conditions, and lukewarm defenders in those who may > do well under the new." -- "The Prince", Niccolo Machiavelli Note: mp3.com now officially supports the Music Online Competition Act of 2001, which allows for people to use and make money off your work without telling or paying you. RIAA has officially sort of said that they don't support it, despite having had a hand in designing it, from all indicators and reports. In conjunction with their stripping of ID Tags containing copyright information this could be quite telling. Coverage at http://www.earthlight.net/Thoughts002.html Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.live365.com/stations/218194 * EarthLight Online / Live! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 10:26:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22456; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:24:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:24:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010817102024.007d8520@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:20:24 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.20010817005508.007e3440@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010813234410.007e4850@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010814201806.007d1e30@pop.ici.net> <7mmjntkdhp0v73ipps54uh3fp487h4hejt@4ax.com> <3.0.5.32.20010815194508.007db9a0@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010816230412.007dba50@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010817005508.007e3440@pop.ici.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <-LhQcB.A.feF.sjSf7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:28 AM 8/17/01 -0700, you wrote: >it seems our respective positions are (on my end) "context can >provide meaning in and of itself" I never disagreed with that. It can be like one of those fonts where only the letter's shadow is visible yet you can read it clearly. Or conversely, there's Plato's cave... >and (on your end) "sampling too much of someone else's song is wrong". That may well be, but I think what I've been saying can boil down more closely to "the degree to which *your* work depends on borrowing from others can be a reflection of your own creativity and originality." You later clarified that you don't do that, but from your original Ice-T/Skynyrd example, I can't see how that wouldn't be true, at least in that instance. I've been speaking mostly of long samples because they are more likely to be recognizable and to be prominent, but it can happen with shorter samples too. The key is how much the final work depends on them. Vanilla Ice's 'Ice Ice Baby', MC Hammer's 'You Can't Touch This', Puff Daddy rapping over 'Every Breath You Take'; [opinion alert] to me, these examples are irksome because they appropriate without surpassing. The samples in these examples are integral to the piece; the songs wouldn't be the same without them. I'm not saying that if I do happen to recognise a sample's source it ruins the song for me. When David Torn (the guy who never said you were stupid) opens '...til you are free' with a Mitch Mitchell drum fill, it's obvious that it came from a Hendrix record, but the piece does not DEPEND on it, and would have much the same impact without it. It sounds great, but doesn't flaunt an 'I'm ripping off Jimi' vibe at all. There's an unattributed piano sample on the Sneaker Pimps' 'Becoming X' that I know perfectly well where it came from (anyone else?), but it's obscure enough to be very cool and certainly doesn't dominate the song. >But your point has always sounded an awful lot like "if you >sampled someone else, then the song isn't really your work". No, not the simple fact of sampling someone; it's what you then go on to do with it. It's hard to define what's excessive, but I contend if the sample forms too much of the basis for your work it's kind of sleazy; remember my 'punctuation vs. whole paragraphs' plagiarism analogy a couple of days ago? >Is the horse dead yet? ;) ...a couple of days ago. -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 10:32:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23883; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:30:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:30:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <8d.b0ac7d3.28ae8464@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:29:56 EDT Subject: Re: (OT) Copyright in a Sampled World... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <2q7lO.A.n0F.rpSf7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com please forgive selective snippage, here. catblack@catblack.com writes: >I agree with Caliban, that new laws are needed to keep up with technology. >My opinion is that when sampling first arrived, the technology made it >pretty easy to spot a sample. Additionally, big, bloated music interests >(boo-hiss) made sample litagation a new industry. From what I've read, >the threat of suing an artist is generally enough to make them pay or not use >the sample. .....'from what (you've) read'..... 'big bloated music interests'..... hmmm. i sample other folks' stuff. i clear the samples' useage, in advance: we call it 'licensing', in my corner of the world. i do not consider myself particularly big (nor bloated, though that could certainly be e-argued), but my perception tells me that i'm currently protected by (united states) copyright law. this is not a remote, intellectual (ie, 'ivory tower') issue, for me: my recordings have been regularly sampled and used by other folks, in *their* 'work'; in some cases, my 'work' has clearly been presented as if it were *their* 'work'..... which rankles me enough to a) seek an apology, and b) invoking copyright law, seek legal recourse. i have settled out-of-court, in these onerous cases. why did the cases *not* go to court? it was -obviously- *not* due to the fear inspired by the depth of my financial resources, it was because the 'artists' understood that they were culpable: culpable for the responsibility of public mis-representation of 'their' work, potentially to the point of theft..... as they were getting paid for 'work' that materially included my unknowing & material involvement. (one of the cases involved a composer, who used a 90-second sample of me --- solo, and unaltered --- at the emotional peak of his film-score. that sample was from one of my sample-discs, which he had *not* bought.....) as an aside: my first response to this kinda thing, many years ago, was to manufacture & *sell* sample-discs containing loops of similar quality to what was already being sampled; interestingly --- as in the situation, noted above --- this has yielded even more illegal (ie, unpaid-for) copying of even *more* material. >I can imagine how it was presented to the courts, in the early days. The >Judge has a set of good headphones on. They play him "Ice, Ice baby", and >precedences are set. And while sampling and samplers are everywhere, the >artists using them get branded as lazy... and some of them are, but the >essential thing is that is re-enforced is that to use a sample, you have >to pay. i have no problem w/that, esp. when the sampling is 'de maximus'. >(Mind you, you could Onanastically sample yourself, like in the new >Beta Band album. I perfer to think of sampling one's self as a production >method, but the key point is that sampling has taken a bad rap.) not from me! sample away: i will. however, sampling brings ethical 'direction' to the forefront. >But technology has changed. These days, I know I could sample pretty much >anything and not even give a glimmer as to how it originally sounded. that might be described as 'de minimus'-sampling, & may not be a material issue, at all. >I have >done it. The barriers are down. Now, to me, anything I hear is fodder for >the mill. If I hear a nice drum break, I can slot it in, slice it up, >replace the drum sounds and have a new break with the same rhythm. the more one alters the sample (ie, makes it dissimilar to the original), the further one travels from current definitions of copyright 'theft'. >If I >hear >someone's voice that strikes me a certian way, i can bring it in, slice >it around, mess with the pitch, panning, effects... the palette is endless. >And if you put the headphones on the judge, I doubt he'd hear the original >shining through. well. there ya go, then; make yer own ethical decisions, & live w/them. >[Sidenote: I confess that I'm a raving fanatic for DJ Shadow's >"Endtroducing..." album. I've heard it at least 200 times and I'm still >hearing small sonic details. It's 99 and 44/99ths percent samples. (The >'beautiful girl' and 'came to america, saw xanadu' vocals aren't taken >from >something else.) I truthfully feel it is a defining moment in the history >of >sampled music, and a classic.] i dig it, too, but i'd say it was more of a defining moment in the history of *popularising* sampled music. after all, should historical events be defined by what is 'popular', eg 'what people like & know most', eg what is best-distributed & best-selling? >There need to be clear fair-use guideline for samples. the history of 'justice' seems to show that clarity & rigidity will probably *not* prove 100%-functionality, as regards an ethical issue..... *any* ethical issue. law is fluid; there's the beauty (& horror) of individual cases being decided individually. >If I took a magazine >ad and used it in a collage, I'm granted protection according to US law. >If >I did the same with a Beatles track (assume that you couldn't tell it was >the Beatles, that I would have to tell you) I would be open to litigation >under our current laws. unless you clear the sample, before the work's release: like using another author's arrangement-of-thoughts-in-words in *my* new book, in which case that author's words are quoted 'by kind permission of mssr. le mot', etc..... >Never one to drone endlessly about an agrument, I offer you this >http://www.catblack.com/example1.mp3 >and >http://www.catblack.com/example2.mp3 >You can hear the Beatles (or at least Paul) in the second example, but >not >the 1st. (Note in the 1st, I'm using it twice, an octave up and an octive >down!) Still, from all I've read about copyright law, I could get sued >for both useages. (well, sure, but: in america, one can be sued by fish for breathing too much air.) so. is the sample-use 'material', and is your work 'for sale'? >I'll gladly slurp up any links anyone has about copyright law and what >one can reasonably 'get away with' or not. But honestly, it's time to put the >headphones on a judge again. the judge is deaf, as are most. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 10:34:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA25699; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:32:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:32:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <45.ad98bd8.28ae84cb@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:31:39 EDT Subject: Re: Pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <251ZO.A.cPG.YrSf7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mtman@cloud9.net writes: >I'd highly recommend the Peavey >PC1600X i use the pc1600. dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 10:52:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27457; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:50:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:50:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <14.19091d5a.28ae88fe@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:49:34 EDT Subject: Re: (OT) Copyright in a Sampled World... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com please forgive selective snippage, here. catblack@catblack.com writes: >I agree with Caliban, that new laws are needed to keep up with technology. >My opinion is that when sampling first arrived, the technology made it >pretty easy to spot a sample. Additionally, big, bloated music interests >(boo-hiss) made sample litagation a new industry. From what I've read, >the threat of suing an artist is generally enough to make them pay or not use >the sample. .....'from what (you've) read'..... 'big bloated music interests'..... hmmm. i sample other folks' stuff. i clear the samples' useage, in advance: we call it 'licensing', in my corner of the world. i do not consider myself particularly big (nor bloated, though that could certainly be e-argued), but my perception tells me that i'm currently protected by (united states) copyright law. this is not a remote, intellectual (ie, 'ivory tower') issue, for me: my recordings have been regularly sampled and used by other folks, in *their* 'work'; in some cases, my 'work' has clearly been presented as if it were *their* 'work'..... which rankles me enough to a) seek an apology, and b) invoking copyright law, seek legal recourse. i have settled out-of-court, in these onerous cases. why did the cases *not* go to court? it was -obviously- *not* due to the fear inspired by the depth of my financial resources, it was because the 'artists' understood that they were culpable: culpable for the responsibility of public mis-representation of 'their' work, potentially to the point of theft..... as they were getting paid for 'work' that materially included my unknowing & material involvement. (one of the cases involved a composer, who used a 90-second sample of me --- solo, and unaltered --- at the emotional peak of his film-score. that sample was from one of my sample-discs, which he had *not* bought.....) as an aside: my first response to this kinda thing, many years ago, was to manufacture & *sell* sample-discs containing loops of similar quality to what was already being sampled; interestingly --- as in the situation, noted above --- this has yielded even more illegal (ie, unpaid-for) copying of even *more* material. >I can imagine how it was presented to the courts, in the early days. The >Judge has a set of good headphones on. They play him "Ice, Ice baby", and >precedences are set. And while sampling and samplers are everywhere, the >artists using them get branded as lazy... and some of them are, but the >essential thing is that is re-enforced is that to use a sample, you have >to pay. i have no problem w/that, esp. when the sampling is 'de maximus'. >(Mind you, you could Onanastically sample yourself, like in the new >Beta Band album. I perfer to think of sampling one's self as a production >method, but the key point is that sampling has taken a bad rap.) not from me! sample away: i will. however, sampling brings ethical 'direction' to the forefront. >But technology has changed. These days, I know I could sample pretty much >anything and not even give a glimmer as to how it originally sounded. that might be described as 'de minimus'-sampling, & may not be a material issue, at all. >I have >done it. The barriers are down. Now, to me, anything I hear is fodder for >the mill. If I hear a nice drum break, I can slot it in, slice it up, >replace the drum sounds and have a new break with the same rhythm. the more one alters the sample (ie, makes it dissimilar to the original), the further one travels from current definitions of copyright 'theft'. >If I >hear >someone's voice that strikes me a certian way, i can bring it in, slice >it around, mess with the pitch, panning, effects... the palette is endless. >And if you put the headphones on the judge, I doubt he'd hear the original >shining through. well. there ya go, then; make yer own ethical decisions, & live w/them. >[Sidenote: I confess that I'm a raving fanatic for DJ Shadow's >"Endtroducing..." album. I've heard it at least 200 times and I'm still >hearing small sonic details. It's 99 and 44/99ths percent samples. (The >'beautiful girl' and 'came to america, saw xanadu' vocals aren't taken >from >something else.) I truthfully feel it is a defining moment in the history >of >sampled music, and a classic.] i dig it, too, but i'd say it was more of a defining moment in the history of *popularising* sampled music. after all, should historical events be defined by what is 'popular', eg 'what people like & know most', eg what is best-distributed & best-selling? >There need to be clear fair-use guideline for samples. the history of 'justice' seems to show that clarity & rigidity will probably *not* prove 100%-functionality, as regards an ethical issue..... *any* ethical issue. law is fluid; there's the beauty (& horror) of individual cases being decided individually. >If I took a magazine >ad and used it in a collage, I'm granted protection according to US law. >If >I did the same with a Beatles track (assume that you couldn't tell it was >the Beatles, that I would have to tell you) I would be open to litigation >under our current laws. unless you clear the sample, before the work's release: like using another author's arrangement-of-thoughts-in-words in *my* new book, in which case that author's words are quoted 'by kind permission of mssr. le mot', etc..... >Never one to drone endlessly about an agrument, I offer you this >http://www.catblack.com/example1.mp3 >and >http://www.catblack.com/example2.mp3 >You can hear the Beatles (or at least Paul) in the second example, but >not >the 1st. (Note in the 1st, I'm using it twice, an octave up and an octive >down!) Still, from all I've read about copyright law, I could get sued >for both useages. (well, sure, but: in america, one can be sued by fish for breathing too much air.) so. is the sample-use 'material', and is your work 'for sale'? >I'll gladly slurp up any links anyone has about copyright law and what >one can reasonably 'get away with' or not. But honestly, it's time to put the >headphones on a judge again. the judge is deaf, as are most. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 11:09:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29347; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:08:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:08:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010817110450.007ddd00@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:04:50 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Basic into (TO) In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.20010816230412.007dba50@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010815194508.007db9a0@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010813234410.007e4850@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010813234410.007e4850@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010814201806.007d1e30@pop.ici.net> <7mmjntkdhp0v73ipps54uh3fp487h4hejt@4ax.com> <3.0.5.32.20010815194508.007db9a0@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010816230412.007dba50@pop.ici.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:09 AM 8/17/01 -0400, Tom R wrote: >I listened to both your cuts from this page (actually, I'm listening to >the second, hidden one right now) and they are just what I like. Thanks! They're pretty atypical of what I normally do, but on CT-Project releases we assign ourselves themes designed to push the envelope of our regular routine, and the theme of that particular compilation was to use ONLY found material. On the first track, I limited myself to sampling only from an old public domain recording of Beethoven's Fifth, but approached the end result microtonaly. I really like Ligeti, if you hadn't guessed... The reason I brought these pieces up in my discussion with Caliban is that they're both constructed ENTIRELY of samples, but the samples are nothing you'd recognise. I also have a track up at that is built entirely of sounds sampled from a bicycle. I thought I was being really original, but another guy on the project, Todd Madson, used a bike for his too! > >However, one of the cuts is in fact hidden... tracks 1 and 9 seem to >link to the same piece, and you have to guess to get to the secret second >piece! >Still, you should get the webmaster to fix it ... Morgan? Are you there? We've discovered that the links to several tracks on go to the wrong places. I'm still bound by a slow modem, but I'll be switching to cable on the 30th! Hooray! >but it's worth the hunt. I'm glad you like it. You might be interested in another project that LD listmembers participated on at which is a 2 CD concept piece on which the participants each submitted a few minutes of source material (both original and found) for a sample pool (Disc 1, 'Source') which we then used to construct our tracks for Disc 2 ('Product'). It's Matt Davignon's baby, and it should be out on CD pretty soon, but can be downloaded now! -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 11:30:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30320; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:28:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:28:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:56:03 -0700 From: glenn Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) In-reply-to: <668ontco6ffa0ihd2he6mfopu4bgithuf5@4ax.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 8/16/01 1:52 PM, Caliban Tiresias Darklock at caliban@darklock.com wrote: The practice of rewriting lyrics to > popular songs is quite alive and well in science fiction fandom On lifted riffs used in the context of a new work to add texture: the theme song from the six milion dollar man (god bless him and rudy and oscar and jamie and their little dog max too) was reconstitued in the jupiter 8/PPG wave string line in Thomas dolby's "One of our submarines is missing, to a chilling effect, and was also used in slow motion during the scene in Terminator 2 in which Arnie is in that technology building toward the end surrounded by cops that they end up shooting the crap out of and blowing up. If they aren't paying royalties on that they should be. Anyway, both part of something that's pretty well regarded as original work. How about Huey's "I need a new drug", "ghostbusters"that one from "ray parker junior", M's "pop music"?. If you were to even try to imaging the bass riff to these three songs in proximity they would beging to blur and meld, dripping with sameness, yet all still regarded as unique creations and certainly memorable ones. No one's going to solve the whole (important) issue of people geting paid for what they originate here, at least not in the space of a flurry of emails, but i feel these examples would support the work of Djs and samples users weaving original works as artists. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 11:54:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31410; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:53:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:53:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B7D3DA3.B419912F@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:52:04 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: (OT) Copyright in a Sampled World... References: <14.19091d5a.28ae88fe@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-S-ruC.A.OqH.U3Tf7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David is correct. Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > please forgive selective snippage, here. > > catblack@catblack.com writes: > >I agree with Caliban, that new laws are needed to keep up with technology. > >My opinion is that when sampling first arrived, the technology made it > >pretty easy to spot a sample. Additionally, big, bloated music interests > >(boo-hiss) made sample litagation a new industry. From what I've read, > >the threat of suing an artist is generally enough to make them pay or not use > >the sample. > .....'from what (you've) read'..... 'big bloated music interests'..... > hmmm. > i sample other folks' stuff. i clear the samples' useage, in advance: we call > it 'licensing', in my corner of the world. > i do not consider myself particularly big (nor bloated, though that could > certainly be e-argued), but my perception tells me that i'm currently > protected by (united states) copyright law. > this is not a remote, intellectual (ie, 'ivory tower') issue, for me: > my recordings have been regularly sampled and used by other folks, in *their* > 'work'; > in some cases, my 'work' has clearly been presented as if it were *their* > 'work'..... which rankles me enough to a) seek an apology, and b) invoking > copyright law, seek legal recourse. > i have settled out-of-court, in these onerous cases. > why did the cases *not* go to court? > it was -obviously- *not* due to the fear inspired by the depth of my > financial resources, it was because the 'artists' understood that they were > culpable: > culpable for the responsibility of public mis-representation of 'their' work, > potentially to the point of theft..... as they were getting paid for 'work' > that materially included my unknowing & material involvement. > > (one of the cases involved a composer, who used a 90-second sample of me --- > solo, and unaltered --- at the emotional peak of his film-score. that sample > was from one of my sample-discs, which he had *not* bought.....) > > as an aside: > my first response to this kinda thing, many years ago, was to manufacture & > *sell* sample-discs containing loops of similar quality to what was already > being sampled; > interestingly --- as in the situation, noted above --- this has yielded even > more illegal (ie, unpaid-for) copying of even *more* material. > > >I can imagine how it was presented to the courts, in the early days. The > >Judge has a set of good headphones on. They play him "Ice, Ice baby", and > >precedences are set. And while sampling and samplers are everywhere, the > >artists using them get branded as lazy... and some of them are, but the > >essential thing is that is re-enforced is that to use a sample, you have > >to pay. > i have no problem w/that, esp. when the sampling is 'de maximus'. > > >(Mind you, you could Onanastically sample yourself, like in the new > >Beta Band album. I perfer to think of sampling one's self as a production > >method, but the key point is that sampling has taken a bad rap.) > not from me! sample away: i will. > however, sampling brings ethical 'direction' to the forefront. > > >But technology has changed. These days, I know I could sample pretty much > >anything and not even give a glimmer as to how it originally sounded. > that might be described as 'de minimus'-sampling, & may not be a material > issue, at all. > > >I have > >done it. The barriers are down. Now, to me, anything I hear is fodder for > >the mill. If I hear a nice drum break, I can slot it in, slice it up, > >replace the drum sounds and have a new break with the same rhythm. > the more one alters the sample (ie, makes it dissimilar to the original), the > further one travels from current definitions of copyright 'theft'. > > >If I > >hear > >someone's voice that strikes me a certian way, i can bring it in, slice > >it around, mess with the pitch, panning, effects... the palette is endless. > >And if you put the headphones on the judge, I doubt he'd hear the original > >shining through. > well. there ya go, then; > make yer own ethical decisions, & live w/them. > > >[Sidenote: I confess that I'm a raving fanatic for DJ Shadow's > >"Endtroducing..." album. I've heard it at least 200 times and I'm still > >hearing small sonic details. It's 99 and 44/99ths percent samples. (The > >'beautiful girl' and 'came to america, saw xanadu' vocals aren't taken > >from > >something else.) I truthfully feel it is a defining moment in the history > >of > >sampled music, and a classic.] > i dig it, too, but i'd say it was more of a defining moment in the history of > *popularising* sampled music. > after all, should historical events be defined by what is 'popular', eg 'what > people like & know most', eg what is best-distributed & best-selling? > > >There need to be clear fair-use guideline for samples. > the history of 'justice' seems to show that clarity & rigidity will probably > *not* prove 100%-functionality, as regards an ethical issue..... *any* > ethical issue. > law is fluid; there's the beauty (& horror) of individual cases being decided > individually. > > >If I took a magazine > >ad and used it in a collage, I'm granted protection according to US law. > >If > >I did the same with a Beatles track (assume that you couldn't tell it was > >the Beatles, that I would have to tell you) I would be open to litigation > >under our current laws. > unless you clear the sample, before the work's release: > like using another author's arrangement-of-thoughts-in-words in *my* new > book, in which case that author's words are quoted 'by kind permission of > mssr. le mot', etc..... > > >Never one to drone endlessly about an agrument, I offer you this > >http://www.catblack.com/example1.mp3 > >and > >http://www.catblack.com/example2.mp3 > > >You can hear the Beatles (or at least Paul) in the second example, but > >not > >the 1st. (Note in the 1st, I'm using it twice, an octave up and an octive > >down!) Still, from all I've read about copyright law, I could get sued > >for both useages. > (well, sure, but: in america, one can be sued by fish for breathing too much > air.) > so. is the sample-use 'material', and is your work 'for sale'? > > >I'll gladly slurp up any links anyone has about copyright law and what > >one can reasonably 'get away with' or not. But honestly, it's time to put the > >headphones on a judge again. > the judge is deaf, as are most. > best, > dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 12:22:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01270; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:21:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:21:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB6E7@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Basic intro (OT) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:20:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C12738.87BF7D50" Resent-Message-ID: <4gzgSD.A.HT.7RUf7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12738.87BF7D50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" My contention is that there are two layers of art which then constitute a third combined layer. The curator has made an arrangement, which is art, and the artists have made... well, art. The two combined make an exhibit, which is also art. Likewise with sample-based work: there is the art made by the people I sampled, and the art of putting them all together, and that results in a final work of art. ** ah, but the curator is doing it as a *presentation* of *other* people's art, not as a statement of *his/her* art. i think this analogy may be a little off from your intended artistic goals - - unles you are trying to do something as a presentation of other people's art and not as something of your own. at least that's my take. sl ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12738.87BF7D50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Basic intro (OT)

My contention is that there are two layers of art = which then constitute
a third combined layer. The curator has made an = arrangement, which is
art, and the artists have made... well, art. The two = combined make an
exhibit, which is also art. Likewise with = sample-based work: there is
the art made by the people I sampled, and the art of = putting them all
together, and that results in a final work of art. =

** ah, but the curator is doing it as a = *presentation* of *other* people's art, not as a statement of *his/her* = art. i think this analogy may be a little off from your intended = artistic goals - - unles you are trying to do something as a = presentation of other people's art and not as something of your own. =

at least that's my take.

sl

------_=_NextPart_001_01C12738.87BF7D50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 12:23:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01298; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:22:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:22:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB6E8@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Basic intro (OT) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:20:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C12738.95AE3B40" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12738.95AE3B40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" s'nice anyway . . . This thread is not exactly the most basic of intros anymore... ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12738.95AE3B40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: Basic intro (OT)

s'nice anyway  . . .



This thread is not exactly the most basic of intros anymore...

------_=_NextPart_001_01C12738.95AE3B40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 12:37:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04907; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:35:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:35:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB6EA@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Basic intro (OT) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:32:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1273A.38483FD0" Resent-Message-ID: <2s2jpB.A.MMB.SfUf7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1273A.38483FD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To be fair, you said outright that he *could*, but that this didn't make the art his. But what is the art? The individual pieces? The arrangement? The exhibition? And when the curator is given free reign to pick whatever pieces he likes for the exhibition, doesn't that begin to blur the line a little? If I hand you a kumquat, a coconut, and a banana, and say "put these on that chair", how you arrange them can say something -- but your options are limited. But if I just tell you to put three fruits on a chair, your selection of a kumquat, a coconut, and a banana says something even before you set them down. ** welllllll, i think that the way most people see art exhibits can fall into two general categories that might refute this line of thinking. 1. people go to see an exhibit of one person's/group's work. that person's/group's work is the focus of the exhibit and the viewer. they don't mistake the curator for the work. they *might* like the way that the exhibit was put together (or not), but most don't even think of this stuff; they got to see the work of the name(s) on the exhibit. 2. people go to a museum and browse through the galleries until they find something they like and then view that work for a while. they take note of the artist and may file the name away for future reference. they aren't taking note of the curator. now whether or not artists are excluded or put on a pedastel by this system is a totally different thing, but i think this is more a function of art criticism and history than it is of curating. sl ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1273A.38483FD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Basic intro (OT)

To be fair, you said outright that he *could*, but = that this didn't make
the art his. But what is the art? The individual = pieces? The
arrangement? The exhibition? And when the curator is = given free reign to
pick whatever pieces he likes for the exhibition, = doesn't that begin to
blur the line a little? If I hand you a kumquat, a = coconut, and a
banana, and say "put these on that chair", = how you arrange them can say
something -- but your options are limited. But if I = just tell you to put
three fruits on a chair, your selection of a = kumquat, a coconut, and a
banana says something even before you set them down. =

** welllllll,

i think that the way most people see art exhibits can = fall into two general categories that might refute this line of = thinking.

1. people go to see an exhibit of one = person's/group's work. that person's/group's work is the focus of the = exhibit and the viewer. they don't mistake the curator for the work. = they *might* like the way that the exhibit was put together (or not), = but most don't even think of this stuff; they got to see the work of = the name(s) on the exhibit.

2. people go to a museum and browse through the = galleries until they find something they like and then view that work = for a while. they take note of the artist and may file the name away = for future reference. they aren't taking note of the = curator.

now whether or not artists are excluded or put on a = pedastel by this system is a totally different thing, but i think this = is more a function of art criticism and history than it is of = curating.

sl

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1273A.38483FD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 12:37:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04932; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:36:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:36:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.119.52] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: spgoodman@earthlight.net Subject: I Need Radio Friendly Breaks ! Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:34:45 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2001 16:34:46.0300 (UTC) FILETIME=[869B5DC0:01C1273A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

I guess this thread is confusing, or maybe my request is not clear ? Let me explain in more succinct terms. I want a Vocal Drop (a term used in radio), that I can use to introduce my mixes. When I am mixing into a song I like to periodically remind my listeners who is mixing. So that point when one song mixes out into the next I use an "accapella break" that is mixed over that "segue" point. The example I used was "You are in the Mix With Dj Devious D!". (actually you guys can say what you want, just as long as it is in that same line of thought).

Now, don't worry, how I will get your voice in the mixed point, that is my job... but I need your help ! I will also add (with the loops) a .mp3 mix with the finished product, using your voice ! And that mix will be heard by 1,000's (I am on a College Radio Station, with low wattage..... but my Mix Show is one of the most popular show on the station).




Lucien E. Darthard
A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It.
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Between points? What sort of "segue" would you need?

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What's a drop?

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I need a Drop for my radio show, something like "You Are In The Mix With Dj Devious D", I will take a MP3 or .WAV file !
Be creative... no music behind the vocal though, and you can use any effect you want. I can't pay you for this, because this is for a College Radio Station (we are non profit). Just make your magic and send the attachment to Dj_Devious_D@Hotmail.com !

 

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 12:59:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07035; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:57:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:57:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B7D4E1C.B05FA993@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:10:36 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) References: <3.0.5.32.20010817005508.007e3440@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010813234410.007e4850@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010814201806.007d1e30@pop.ici.net> <7mmjntkdhp0v73ipps54uh3fp487h4hejt@4ax.com> <3.0.5.32.20010815194508.007db9a0@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010816230412.007dba50@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010817005508.007e3440@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010817102024.007d8520@pop.ici.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim Nelson wrote: (snippeth) > ... There's an > unattributed piano sample on the Sneaker Pimps' 'Becoming X' that I know > perfectly well where it came from (anyone else?), but it's obscure enough > to be very cool and certainly doesn't dominate the song. geez tim! i've been listening to this dang thing all morning. give us a hint, okay? :-) lance g. (aka tired ears) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 13:04:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08452; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:02:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:02:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.119.52] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: Eiredancemusic@onelist.com, Samplestation@yahoogroups.com Subject: Is The Athlon Any Good ? Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:02:00 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2001 17:02:01.0461 (UTC) FILETIME=[553D2250:01C1273E] Resent-Message-ID: <1E_2FD.A.zDC.o4Uf7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com



I use the AMD 1 GHz Athlon in my "Multimedia" Music PC. I have never had any problem with the chip, or with it's performance. I use it running ACID 3.0, Cubase, Cool Edit Pro, Sound Forge 5.0, Orion 2.4, Fruity Loops 3, Samplitude, Sequoia, The Sims (House Party), 3D Shark Hunt, Vegas Audio 2.0 and PCDj Red. I don't glitch up, and when I render .mp3's, the process is fast and reliable (I also have 384 Megs of RAM). I also have a Pentium III 733, that seems to be just as stable... So I have conclude that .... I digressed again.

The War Of The Chips, is a one filled with many casualties (remember the lowly Cyrix Chip... now that bad boy, I'd never use with any type of Multimedia app !). The key to getting or choosing a chip for your specific needs, is not necessarily the speed, but the cache, and the FSB. The more onboard cache you have, the faster the instructions can be executed by the processor, and the FSB (Front Side Bus), is the "highway" that those instructions ride on. Now the newer Athlons run with at least a 200 mhz FSB, whereas the new Pentium 4's run with a 400 Mhz FSB ! THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT ! For Multimedia apps, such as streaming video, or audio processing. 




Lucien E. Darthard
                                 A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It.
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From: Paul Garry

Hi all
Athlon chips .... anyone know what they are like ? Better than
pentium ?
Cheers for the info on all the soundcards .. As you'se have all guessed im
gettin a new Pc ... all help appreciated
Cheers
Paul
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 13:20:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09370; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:19:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:19:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:18:34 EDT Subject: Re: More: Honey Barbara "I-10 & W. Ave." cd To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_fe.acc911a.28aeabea_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10532 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_fe.acc911a.28aeabea_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/16/01 9:12:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, monk@fuse.net writes: > at times i attempt to be polite.....:)m --part1_fe.acc911a.28aeabea_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/16/01 9:12:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, monk@fuse.net
writes:


WHY???


at times i attempt to be polite.....:)m --part1_fe.acc911a.28aeabea_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 13:28:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10035; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:27:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:27:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B7D5529.47CFE601@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:40:47 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) References: <3.0.5.32.20010817005508.007e3440@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010813234410.007e4850@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010814201806.007d1e30@pop.ici.net> <7mmjntkdhp0v73ipps54uh3fp487h4hejt@4ax.com> <3.0.5.32.20010815194508.007db9a0@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010816230412.007dba50@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010817005508.007e3440@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010817102024.007d8520@pop.ici.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim Nelson wrote: > ...There's an > unattributed piano sample on the Sneaker Pimps' 'Becoming X' that I know > perfectly well where it came from (anyone else?), but it's obscure enough > to be very cool and certainly doesn't dominate the song. not to bring in any looping content (what's that?) :-), but didn't they also sample a bit off d. sylvian's *secrets of the beehive* (an album which our own dt had a (nice) hand in? i remember that album as being one of the first mentions i ran across of "guitar loop(s)", 'course i'm sure there were earlier precendents i'm quite unaware of...). $.01 lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 13:39:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11236; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:37:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:37:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB6EB@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Basic intro (OT) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:36:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C12743.1F144A00" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12743.1F144A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >** i think that i'm not even talking about frequencies - - you could just >deal with sine waves, and that could be pretty boring, no? Of course not! As the FFT demonstrates, *all* sound is essentially just a series of sine waves. ;) ** i suppose i should have been more precise in my wording of this. how about "pure sine waves"? that is, not mixing of numerous sine waves bu just pitch frequency series played by pure sine waves - - that sounds boring to me. ymmv. (and the fft may "demonstrate," but what do *your* ears tell *you*?) Not when you strip away all the options. A piano-voice D on a portable keyboard that doesn't have velocity sensitivity or aftertouch will sound exactly the same no matter who plays it, just as a sample would if all you did was press the "play" button. Different environments provide different options; when you press the D on a piano harder, it makes certain things happen. I can make roughly the same things happen, but I have to modify several parameters to do that. It's not as quick, as easy, or as visually impressive -- in fact, it looks really stupid. ** i guess it depends if you call triggering one note on that keyboard "playing." i wouldn't. to me what you just described is a midi-triggering event (see your comments below), not actually playing the instrument, which would require more than one note in succession - - or the usage of that one note in the context of being played with other people in time or space, in which case it would definitely sound different depending on the person playing it (and whcih i would call "playing"). and you are only discussing the variables in playing things that are mostly (midi or not) triggered sounds, i'm not sure that you would necessarily sample those items. don't you usually sample more traditional instruments being played by people, or electronic instruments as used in an already existing pices of music? it seems to me that the reason *you* would sample those would be because of the non-generic and personaliazed sound of those events. >does a sample really capture all of that?? i don't know. It captures it from the original performer, insofar as it is expressed purely in the audio. The guy who uses the sample, however, adds his own expression (or lack thereof) and can modify that content. ** i'm not convinced that a sample can really truly capture that "essence," but this is probably a whole other kettle of fish. >do you feel that >there is nuance and humanity in your samples? does it matter to you? I feel there's a great deal more nuance and humanity in samples than there is in a MIDI-triggered performance. ** don't necessarily disagree - - most of the samples people use tend to be of "natural" occurences (i.e., people playing instruments, singing or talking, or sounds that occur in real space and time - - city sounds, nature sounds, etc.). Samples capture *some* of the original's emotional content, which can be carried over for further effect. ** interesting, this almost seems to be somewhat contrary to your statement above - - or maybe that's what i'm driving at. Duplicating a performance by MIDI, no matter how carefully done, always feels just a little sterile. And if I don't quite feel what the original performer was feeling, playing it myself isn't going to feel right to a listener either. Of course, if I want to DRASTICALLY alter the emotional content of a piece, chances are I'll have to play it myself. ** the interesting thing that strikes me *right now* about this whole sampling thing - - in terms of how i understand *your* usage of it - - is that is *referential* rather than *generational* . . . in other words it doesn't necessarily *generate* any new information (particularly emotional), rather it *refers* back to someone else's generation and attempts to recontextualize it. not a bad thing and obviously a useful one to many people, but it definitely presents a grind to me. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12743.1F144A00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Basic intro (OT)

>** i think that i'm not even talking about = frequencies - - you could just
>deal with sine waves, and that could be pretty = boring, no?

Of course not! As the FFT demonstrates, *all* sound = is essentially just
a series of sine waves. ;)

** i suppose i should have been more precise in my = wording of this. how about "pure sine waves"? that is, not = mixing of numerous sine waves bu just pitch frequency series played by = pure sine waves - - that sounds boring to me. ymmv. (and the fft may = "demonstrate," but what do *your* ears tell = *you*?)


Not when you strip away all the options. A = piano-voice D on a portable
keyboard that doesn't have velocity sensitivity or = aftertouch will sound
exactly the same no matter who plays it, just as a = sample would if all
you did was press the "play" button. = Different environments provide
different options; when you press the D on a piano = harder, it makes
certain things happen. I can make roughly the same = things happen, but I
have to modify several parameters to do that. It's = not as quick, as
easy, or as visually impressive -- in fact, it looks = really stupid.

** i guess it depends if you call triggering one note = on that keyboard "playing." i wouldn't. to me what you just = described is a midi-triggering event (see your comments below), not = actually playing the instrument, which would require more than one note = in succession - - or the usage of that one note in the context of being = played with other people in time or space, in which case it would = definitely sound different depending on the person playing it (and = whcih i would call "playing"). and you are only discussing = the variables in playing things that are mostly (midi or not) triggered = sounds, i'm not sure that you would necessarily sample those items. = don't you usually sample more traditional instruments being played by = people, or electronic instruments as used in an already existing pices = of music? it seems to me that the reason *you* would sample those would = be because of the non-generic and personaliazed sound of those events. =

>does a sample really capture all of that?? i = don't know.

It captures it from the original performer, insofar = as it is expressed
purely in the audio. The guy who uses the sample, = however, adds his own
expression (or lack thereof) and can modify that = content.

** i'm not convinced that a sample can really truly = capture that "essence," but this is probably a whole other = kettle of fish.

>do you feel that
>there is nuance and humanity in your samples? = does it matter to you?

I feel there's a great deal more nuance and humanity = in samples than
there is in a MIDI-triggered performance.

** don't necessarily disagree - - most of the samples = people use tend to be of "natural" occurences (i.e., people = playing instruments, singing or talking, or sounds that occur in real = space and time - - city sounds, nature sounds, etc.).

Samples capture *some* of the
original's emotional content, which can be carried = over for further
effect.

** interesting, this almost seems to be somewhat = contrary to your statement above - - or maybe that's what i'm driving = at.

Duplicating a performance by MIDI, no matter how = carefully done,
always feels just a little sterile. And if I don't = quite feel what the
original performer was feeling, playing it myself = isn't going to feel
right to a listener either. Of course, if I want to = DRASTICALLY alter
the emotional content of a piece, chances are I'll = have to play it
myself.

** the interesting thing that strikes me *right now* = about this whole sampling thing - - in terms of how i understand *your* = usage of it  - -  is that is *referential* rather than = *generational*  . . .  in other words it doesn't necessarily = *generate* any new information (particularly emotional), rather  = it *refers* back to someone else's generation and attempts to = recontextualize it. not a bad thing and obviously a useful one to many = people, but it definitely presents a grind to me.

stig


------_=_NextPart_001_01C12743.1F144A00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 13:43:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13681; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:42:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:42:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB6EC@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Basic intro (OT) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:41:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C12743.D6F33640" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12743.D6F33640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I think it's sort of like the parent/teacher difference. A teacher influences many young minds, while a parent influences only a few -- but the influences are very different. You can have a parent and not a teacher, while you can't have a teacher and not a parent. The teacher also has only a limited amount of control over the average child, while a parent exerts a strong degree of control throughout the child's life. ** well being a parent i see both agreements and disagreements with your reasoning. having dealt with kids who bring home things that other parents say and do around their kids - - and then get transferred to mine (how did my 4-year-old son learn to say f****** b****?) - - i can assure you that it's one big interconnected ball of chaos. But that's what I'm frustrated by. I can usually find something close to what I want and tweak it to be closer, but it's still almost never what I want. If I knew what to use and how to use it to get the sound I wanted, I would. But I can't effectively define the sound I want except to say "it sounds kinda like this but not quite". ** it's interesting to muse on the limitations of the technology or the grind between idealized sound in one's head versus the realization (by machines or people). See, that's what live shows ought to be about. If you can't track the crowd and have that give-and-take, you may as well be a CD. So if the musical methodology doesn't fit that process, you either use a different methodology or don't play live. ** actually, to me that is what my recordings are about as well (minus the crowd, who may or may not interact at all). stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12743.D6F33640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Basic intro (OT)

I think it's sort of like the parent/teacher = difference. A teacher
influences many young minds, while a parent = influences only a few -- but
the influences are very different. You can have a = parent and not a
teacher, while you can't have a teacher and not a = parent. The teacher
also has only a limited amount of control over the = average child, while
a parent exerts a strong degree of control = throughout the child's life.

** well being a parent i see both agreements and = disagreements with your reasoning. having dealt with kids who bring = home things that other parents say and do around their kids - - and = then get transferred to mine (how did my 4-year-old son learn to say = f****** b****?) - - i can assure you that it's one big interconnected = ball of chaos.


But that's what I'm frustrated by. I can usually find = something close to
what I want and tweak it to be closer, but it's = still almost never what
I want. If I knew what to use and how to use it to = get the sound I
wanted, I would. But I can't effectively define the = sound I want except
to say "it sounds kinda like this but not = quite".

** it's interesting to muse on the limitations of the = technology or the grind between idealized sound in one's head versus = the realization (by machines or people).

See, that's what live shows ought to be about. If you = can't track the
crowd and have that give-and-take, you may as well = be a CD. So if the
musical methodology doesn't fit that process, you = either use a different
methodology or don't play live.

** actually, to me that is what my recordings are = about as well (minus the crowd, who may or may not interact at = all).

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C12743.D6F33640-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 15:06:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24486; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:03:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:03:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010816054758.61755.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010816054758.61755.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:40:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: GEAR LUST and CREATIVITY Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I've heard similar stories about Segovia & Julian >Bream - breaking a guitar string & carrying on as if >nothing had happened. I've read that Paganini would >break violin strings on purpose during a performance >for dramatic effect. > One of the most impressive string breaking episodes I've ever seen was Bill Frisell breaking a B string a few minutes into "High Plains Drifter", an ultra-episodic John Zorn piece for the Frisell quartet that lasts about 15 minutes, goes through something like 60 sections. Frisell just played the rest of the piece as if nothing happened, and sounded great. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 15:16:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25072; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:14:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:14:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB6F4@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: GEAR LUST and CREATIVITY Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:13:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C12750.B8155FC0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12750.B8155FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" One of the most impressive string breaking episodes I've ever seen was Bill Frisell breaking a B string a few minutes into "High Plains Drifter", an ultra-episodic John Zorn piece for the Frisell quartet that lasts about 15 minutes, goes through something like 60 sections. Frisell just played the rest of the piece as if nothing happened, and sounded great. ** bb king, omaha, nebraska, circa 1977: pops a string on a tune during the solo, passes the solo off to the rhythm guitar player (the guy who played the birdland), goes to the side of the stage, gets a new a string, comes out and starts winding the string while the tune is going on, time for the vocal to come in, totally sings his ass off while still winding the string . . . total emotional commitment. not instrumental virtuosity, but . . . stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12750.B8155FC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: GEAR LUST and CREATIVITY

One of the most impressive string breaking episodes = I've ever seen
was Bill Frisell breaking a B string a few minutes = into "High Plains
Drifter", an ultra-episodic John Zorn piece for = the Frisell quartet
that lasts about 15 minutes, goes through something = like 60 sections.
Frisell just played the rest of the piece as if = nothing happened, and
sounded great.

** bb king, omaha, nebraska, circa 1977: pops a = string on a tune during the solo, passes the solo off to the rhythm = guitar player (the guy who played the birdland), goes to the side of = the stage, gets a new a string, comes out and starts winding the string = while the tune is going on, time for the vocal to come in, totally = sings his ass off while still winding the string . . . total emotional = commitment. not instrumental virtuosity, but  . . .

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C12750.B8155FC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 15:17:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25140; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:16:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:16:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.194.140.131] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: MIDI live looping Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:15:01 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2001 19:15:01.0503 (UTC) FILETIME=[E9B6E8F0:01C12750] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi everyone, (First time poster - been reading the reflector long enough to be convinced that this list is a place imbued with friendliness, benevolence and and immense amount of know-how :-) Are there any people of experience with a simple MIDI "looping device" - I know, I know, it's called a sequencer - but most sequencers I've seen don't lend themselves well to a live loop-playing style I'd like to perpetuate: hands on the instrument (guitar, in my case) and feet on the pedals, traps, buttons & twiddly knobs. I'm using a (Line6) loop delay for "analog" (i.e. audio) looping but would like to have a second independent "digital" looping option in a MIDI device connected to my guitar synth. Only thing is, ideally it would be as or nearly as simple as my Line6: record/overdub button, tap tempo button, maybe reverse / half speed (oo, getting really fancy there). Not being entirely serious here but the main point is during a live performance, the basic buttons plus the natural inclination to repeat phrases are your best friends in terms of response / availability / predictability. Also I'd prefer it to be a box sitting on the floor - call it guitaristic-compulsive stompbox disorder. Any recommendations? Thank you very much! Nic _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 15:26:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25947; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:25:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:25:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: Subject: Re: MIDI live looping Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:24:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2001 19:24:17.0007 (UTC) FILETIME=[34D217F0:01C12752] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Have you thought about getting a laptop? There are a number of programs that you could use for this. The first that comes to mind would be MAX, on the mac. The latest OS of the Ztar has a looping sequencer in it too, I believe. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 12:15 PM Subject: MIDI live looping > Hi everyone, > > (First time poster - been reading the reflector long enough to be convinced > that this list is a place imbued with friendliness, benevolence and and > immense amount of know-how :-) > > Are there any people of experience with a simple MIDI "looping device" - I > know, I know, it's called a sequencer - but most sequencers I've seen don't > lend themselves well to a live loop-playing style I'd like to perpetuate: > hands on the instrument (guitar, in my case) and feet on the pedals, traps, > buttons & twiddly knobs. > > I'm using a (Line6) loop delay for "analog" (i.e. audio) looping but would > like to have a second independent "digital" looping option in a MIDI device > connected to my guitar synth. Only thing is, ideally it would be as or > nearly as simple as my Line6: record/overdub button, tap tempo button, maybe > reverse / half speed (oo, getting really fancy there). Not being entirely > serious here but the main point is during a live performance, the basic > buttons plus the natural inclination to repeat phrases are your best friends > in terms of response / availability / predictability. Also I'd prefer it to > be a box sitting on the floor - call it guitaristic-compulsive stompbox > disorder. > > Any recommendations? Thank you very much! > > Nic > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 15:39:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26775; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:37:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:37:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Cc: Subject: RE: MIDI live looping Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:36:59 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jonathan, I didn't know you were a ztarist! Actually, the new OS for the ztar (www.starrlabs.com) is currently under development and scheduled to be released in the next month or so. It will feature a basic to intermediate level onboard sequencer that is being designed to support looping. It's kind of exciting actually. This, obviously, isn't a floor controller, but it would also replace your guitar synth, and along with that all of those associated latency issues. You can contact Harvey Starr (harvey@cts.com) for more information if you wish. Best of luck, Kevin > The latest OS of the Ztar has a looping sequencer in it too, I believe. > > Hi everyone, > > > > Are there any people of experience with a simple MIDI "looping > device" - I > > know, I know, it's called a sequencer - but most sequencers I've seen > don't > > lend themselves well to a live loop-playing style I'd like to > perpetuate: > > hands on the instrument (guitar, in my case) and feet on the pedals, > traps, > > buttons & twiddly knobs. > > > > I'm using a (Line6) loop delay for "analog" (i.e. audio) > looping but would > > like to have a second independent "digital" looping option in a MIDI > device > > connected to my guitar synth. Only thing is, ideally it would be as or > > nearly as simple as my Line6: record/overdub button, tap tempo button, > maybe > > reverse / half speed (oo, getting really fancy there). Not > being entirely > > serious here but the main point is during a live performance, the basic > > buttons plus the natural inclination to repeat phrases are your best > friends > > in terms of response / availability / predictability. Also I'd prefer it > to > > be a box sitting on the floor - call it guitaristic-compulsive stompbox > > disorder. > > > > Any recommendations? Thank you very much! > > > > Nic From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 15:45:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27269; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:43:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:43:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:35:09 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: MIDI live looping In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:15 PM -0700 8/17/01, Nic Roozeboom wrote: >Are there any people of experience with a simple MIDI "looping device" > >like to have a second independent "digital" looping option in a MIDI >device connected to my guitar synth...I'd prefer it to be a box >sitting on the floor >Any recommendations? Thank you very much! As I've said here before, the best thing I can suggest is to use Max running on a Powerbook, with some generic foot controller. That way you can have exactly the feature set and user interface you want, with a nice big display of system status. For this level of MIDI recording and control even an older generation Powerbook would be adequate (read "cheap"). The most expensive component of the system would probably be the software, but the entire thing can probably be put together in the range of $600-1000. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 16:11:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00962; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:09:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:09:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Apparently-From: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:09:10 -0500 Subject: Re: GEAR LUST and CREATIVITY From: Mike Feeney To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" , "Liebig, Steuart A." Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB6F4@migarexch01.maritz.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA00935 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com this completely amazed me ... I can¹t imagine someone at BB King¹s level winding a string onstage. But then after thinking about it, I realized that having a 2nd guitar would destroy the illusion of ³Lucille,² even though there have been many of them (I think I heard 11 of them, recently). Mike on 8/17/01 2.13 PM, Liebig, Steuart A. at Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com wrote: > > ** bb king, omaha, nebraska, circa 1977: pops a string on a tune during the > solo, passes the solo off to the rhythm guitar player (the guy who played the > birdland), goes to the side of the stage, gets a new a string, comes out and > starts winding the string while the tune is going on, time for the vocal to > come in, totally sings his ass off while still winding the string . . . total > emotional commitment. not instrumental virtuosity, but . . . > > stig > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 16:14:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01074; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:11:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:11:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:15:31 -0700 Organization: Darklock Communications Message-ID: <2dnqnt49cl6crnm60hm1rncsojg4icq5tn@4ax.com> References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB6EB@migarexch01.maritz.com> In-Reply-To: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB6EB@migarexch01.maritz.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:36:18 -0400, "Liebig, Steuart A." wrote: >** i suppose i should have been more precise in my wording of this. how >about "pure sine waves"? that is, not mixing of numerous sine waves bu just >pitch frequency series played by pure sine waves - - that sounds boring to >me. ymmv. (and the fft may "demonstrate," but what do *your* ears tell >*you*?) That any single sound is not music. Music is by definition a combination and sequence of sounds, and using a single sample is just like using a single note (or a sine wave): it's boring. There are cases where it works, but it doesn't work because it's artistically interesting in and of itself, it works because it's placed into a *context* in which it works. Whether your "note" is a sine wave, a kick drum, a piano key, or a 16-second drum loop doesn't matter; artistically, it's not interesting until it's placed into a larger context. The sample may be *sonically* interesting, but that isn't YOUR art, it's someone else's. >** i guess it depends if you call triggering one note on that keyboard >"playing." i wouldn't. Neither would I, which is exactly what I was getting at. No matter how long or complex your sample is, it's still effectively only one note, and the amount of creativity and originality involved is directly comparable. Even if you have the coolest goddamn sample on the face of the planet, if you loop it and say "check this out" it's *artistically* just like playing one note on a piano. Think about how you'd do it on a hardware sampler with a keyboard, and consider whether doing the same thing on a piano would be impressive or just flat-out pathetic. >i'm not sure that you would necessarily sample those items. don't >you usually sample more traditional instruments being played by people, or >electronic instruments as used in an already existing pices of music? it >seems to me that the reason *you* would sample those would be because of the >non-generic and personaliazed sound of those events. It depends on the situation. I've constructed entire songs from a single sample pitch-shifted and timestretched in various ways and passed through effects to create the illusion of different sounds. A low-pass filter and fast attack turns a 303 note into a bass drum; bandpass and distortion turn it into a snare. There's a great range of nuance and humanity available with samples, IF you work at it. Certainly it would be much, much easier to just grab several samples, but it's interesting from a theoretical standpoint to say "look, this is all the same sample". Whether it's interesting from a practical standpoint is another matter entirely, and whether it sounds good is yet another. >From the critic's standpoint, theoretical interest is important. From the performer's standpoint, the practical interest of the piece matters. But from the lay listener's standpoint, it's only important whether it sounds good. I think that's why so many obviously untalented musicians become popular: they sound good. A performer may look at how they create music and go "why, it's all studio trickery" and turn up his nose. A critic may look at the structure of the music and say "why, it's almost childishly simplistic" and turn up his nose. But the public listens to the music and says "hey, that sounds good". I don't think anything a performer or critic thinks should impact that. If the public isn't going to say "that sounds good", what exactly is the *point*? Performers nodding at each other over how creative the production is won't make it sound good. Critics gushing over how original the theory is won't make it sound good. But conversely, the public buzzing about how great it sounds isn't going to make it art. In the end, it's about goals. Who is your audience? Critics? Performers? The public? Realistically, it's a combination of all three: the admiration of critics will win you awards, the admiration of performers will give you credibility, and the admiration of the public will give you popularity. How important each of those things is to you will dictate what's important to your work. I'm not concerned with awards, and if I had to choose between credibility and popularity I'd choose popularity. So original theory isn't all that important to me, and creative production is only slightly important. I primarily care whether it sounds good. Is it art? Sometimes. It can be. But no, I wouldn't say *everything* I do is art. That doesn't mean I'm not an artist, it just means that sometimes the artistic validity of my work is questionable. Every doodle by Van Gogh wasn't art, either. >** i'm not convinced that a sample can really truly capture that "essence," >but this is probably a whole other kettle of fish. Not all of it. Samples never sound quite right. They're *missing* something. Different people have different ideas as to what that something is, but I think most musicians have noticed it; they blame it on digital/analog sometimes, other times they blame it on unoriginal/original, and I don't think any of that's altogether true. I think "recorded" and "live" just sound different. Recordings of recordings start to mutate and degrade in a way that isn't obvious, because -- BIG dose of whacked-out opinion here -- they're getting farther from the original team that produced the work. I don't really know how to explain that, it's just something I halfway perceive which doesn't make any sort of logical sense. >Samples capture *some* of the >original's emotional content, which can be carried over for further >effect. > >** interesting, this almost seems to be somewhat contrary to your statement >above - - or maybe that's what i'm driving at. I don't think a sample captures everything. When you watch someone play piano in person, you can see the emotion on his face, and there's a certain dramatic component to how he moves. If you hear it from the next room, something is missing -- and if you record it and play it again later, something else is missing. So if you sample that recording and record it, you have something missing again. That's three generations of something going out of the sound, which might be described like: - Someone is playing this right here, right now. - Someone is playing this over there, right now. - Someone played this some time ago and recorded it. - Someone recorded a recording of someone playing this some time ago. No matter how much of the humanity and nuance you record in the sound, you keep getting farther from the original artist. The human connection gets more and more faint. It can be enhanced if someone knows who played it, or if the recorder of the recording of the recording (damn that gets tedious) associates himself as a "bridge" between the original artist and the listener. This is where recognisable samples have value. And here, I almost wrote a very long essay on sampling as a directional weighted graph with comparisons to network routing protocols, but I think few people would follow it and nobody would care. :P >** the interesting thing that strikes me *right now* about this whole >sampling thing - - in terms of how i understand *your* usage of it - - is >that is *referential* rather than *generational* . . . in other words it >doesn't necessarily *generate* any new information (particularly emotional), >rather it *refers* back to someone else's generation and attempts to >recontextualize it. With the caveat that this isn't the only sonic weapon in my arsenal, that's a pretty accurate description. A lot of my work partially boils down to a background track overlaid with recognisable samples that effectively say "think about this, now think about this, now think about this" -- leading the listener through several concepts to draw connections. Sometimes that has a purpose and a point; other times, it's just a train of thought thing. The musical value of what comes out varies likewise; just like sometimes you can sit at a piano and play something great, and other times you'll play something that just plain sucks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 16:24:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02326; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:22:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:22:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB6FA@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "Looper's Delight (E-mail)" Subject: RE: GEAR LUST and CREATIVITY Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:21:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1275A.28E71FA0" Resent-Message-ID: <5hJ7k.A.Hk.ozXf7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1275A.28E71FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable this completely amazed me ... I can=B9t imagine someone at BB = King=B9s level winding a string onstage. But then after thinking about it, I realized = that having a 2nd guitar would destroy the illusion of =B3Lucille,=B2 even = though there have been many of them (I think I heard 11 of them, recently). Mike ** it was incredible to experience. the show was also amazing in that i had seen bb king play in l.a. a few times and it was usually a sort of vegas-like experience, so i hadn't = been too keen on seeing him any more. i was playing with les mccann at that = point and we were playing support for bb, so i was just there (witnessed the = whole thing from stage right wings). in any event, this was for a way = different crowd than i had seen bb do his thing for - - this was a 95% black = audience (l.a.show audiences had been predominately white) and the whole texture = and intensity of the show were way, way more intense. sort of a sanctified church thng almost. strange - - or not . . .=20 stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1275A.28E71FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: GEAR LUST and CREATIVITY



    this completely amazed me ... I = can=B9t imagine someone at BB King=B9s level
winding a string onstage.  But then after = thinking about it, I realized that
having a 2nd guitar would destroy the illusion of = =B3Lucille,=B2 even though
there have been many of them (I think I heard 11 of = them, recently).

    Mike

** it was incredible to experience.

the show was also amazing in that i had seen bb king = play in l.a. a few times and it was usually a sort of vegas-like = experience, so i hadn't been too keen on seeing him any more. i was = playing with les mccann at that point and we were playing support for = bb, so i was just there (witnessed the whole thing from stage right = wings). in any event, this was for a way different crowd than i had = seen bb do his thing for - - this was a 95% black audience (l.a.show = audiences had been predominately white) and the whole texture and = intensity of the show were way, way more intense. sort of a sanctified = church thng almost. strange - - or not . . .

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1275A.28E71FA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 16:36:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03512; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:33:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:33:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:27:42 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) In-reply-to: <2dnqnt49cl6crnm60hm1rncsojg4icq5tn@4ax.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB6EB@migarexch01.maritz.com> <2dnqnt49cl6crnm60hm1rncsojg4icq5tn@4ax.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1nsY2D.A.Z2.F-Xf7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:15 PM -0700 8/17/01, Caliban Tiresias Darklock wrote: >That any single sound is not music. Music is by definition a combination >and sequence of sounds No. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 17:00:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08369; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:59:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:59:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011401c1275e$d45083a0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB6EB@migarexch01.maritz.com> <2dnqnt49cl6crnm60hm1rncsojg4icq5tn@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:54:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Golly this has turned into quite a thread! I think "blanket statements" lead to a "warm discussion" (excuse the pun, but it IS Friday). And we're ALL making blanket statements. (There! I just did so, myself!) At 1:15 PM -0700 8/17/01, Caliban Tiresias Darklock wrote: >That any single sound is not music. Music is by definition a combination >and sequence of sounds From: "Richard Zvonar" > No. That statement caught my eye also. I agree with Richard. point 1: 4'33" by John Cage point 2: I've never seen an adequate definition of music, especially one that the Looper's Delight listers can agree on. point 3: And what is a "single sound" after all? Probably the impulse function (from signal theory, etc.) comes closest to this ideal. It is infinite in amplitude and infinitisimal in width. At least in the time domain. In the frequency domain it contains every frequency at unity amplitude. I like to think of it as the sound of the Big Bang. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" To: Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 3:27 PM Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) > At 1:15 PM -0700 8/17/01, Caliban Tiresias Darklock wrote: > > >That any single sound is not music. Music is by definition a combination > >and sequence of sounds > > No. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 17:08:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10246; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 17:07:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 17:07:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:31:06 -0700 From: "Miko Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) - Communicate or NOT?! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA10180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael K. >> i always thought i was a shallow person because i never knew what my music communicated..... Caliban > Has anyone ever found a meaning in your music that was a completely new concept to you? ("Wow, I love the way you said [whatever]!" "What? Huh? Do I know you?") Yes... that's actually quite common to get surprising feedback on a performance. I've gotten particularly consistent raves after what I've felt were horribly ragged, desperate performances where I was on the verge of giving up. You know... bad sound, failed equipment, the impression that my improv was going NOWHERE, etc. I think it's a cathartic response... an empathic bonding of sorts. Very strange. I've said more than once, "They like it RAW!" I was approached after a 45 minute epic sorta pastoral-set-gone-wrong (It became progressively more dark and brooding but retained a wide open feeling...) with the comment that my music was "Plaintive and emotional... just like the LOWING OF COWS." (This will be in the 'listener raves' section of my bio for sure!) Once I quit laughing, we talked a bit more about how and why my music sounds that way, but I just loved the comparison. For the most part, I tend to follow my nose and ignore larger compositional and narrative constructs. Through listening and conversational response to what I hear, the natural evolution of a piece, (if I'm really listening) seems to communicate a 'story' more often than I expect. I view this as a form of 'letting go' and accepting the results of real-time interaction... it's a form of Buddhist surrender. (12 step music addict meeting... "Yes! I am a musician... and powerless to affect change on my own... PLEASE!? God HELP ME?!" On the other hand... I do a lot of thinking about context and want to develop my compositional side as well. -Miko Miko Biffle - Miko.Biffle@asml.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 17:09:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10251; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 17:07:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 17:07:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT)LESS TALK MORE ACTION!!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.5 Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 17:11:51 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2dnqnt49cl6crnm60hm1rncsojg4icq5tn@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "less talk..more action!!!" On Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:15:31 -0700 Caliban Tiresias Darklock wrote: > On Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:36:18 -0400, "Liebig, Steuart A." > wrote: > > >** i suppose i should have been more precise in my > wording of this. how > >about "pure sine waves"? that is, not mixing of numerous > sine waves bu just > >pitch frequency series played by pure sine waves - - > that sounds boring to > >me. ymmv. (and the fft may "demonstrate," but what do > *your* ears tell > >*you*?) > > That any single sound is not music. Music is by > definition a combination > and sequence of sounds, and using a single sample is just > like using a > single note (or a sine wave): it's boring. There are > cases where it > works, but it doesn't work because it's artistically > interesting in and > of itself, it works because it's placed into a *context* > in which it > works. Whether your "note" is a sine wave, a kick drum, a > piano key, or > a 16-second drum loop doesn't matter; artistically, it's > not interesting > until it's placed into a larger context. The sample may > be *sonically* > interesting, but that isn't YOUR art, it's someone > else's. > > >** i guess it depends if you call triggering one note on > that keyboard > >"playing." i wouldn't. > > Neither would I, which is exactly what I was getting at. > No matter how > long or complex your sample is, it's still effectively > only one note, > and the amount of creativity and originality involved is > directly > comparable. Even if you have the coolest goddamn sample > on the face of > the planet, if you loop it and say "check this out" it's > *artistically* > just like playing one note on a piano. Think about how > you'd do it on a > hardware sampler with a keyboard, and consider whether > doing the same > thing on a piano would be impressive or just flat-out > pathetic. > > >i'm not sure that you would necessarily sample those > items. don't > >you usually sample more traditional instruments being > played by people, or > >electronic instruments as used in an already existing > pices of music? it > >seems to me that the reason *you* would sample those > would be because of the > >non-generic and personaliazed sound of those events. > > It depends on the situation. I've constructed entire > songs from a single > sample pitch-shifted and timestretched in various ways > and passed > through effects to create the illusion of different > sounds. A low-pass > filter and fast attack turns a 303 note into a bass drum; > bandpass and > distortion turn it into a snare. There's a great range of > nuance and > humanity available with samples, IF you work at it. > Certainly it would > be much, much easier to just grab several samples, but > it's interesting > from a theoretical standpoint to say "look, this is all > the same > sample". Whether it's interesting from a practical > standpoint is another > matter entirely, and whether it sounds good is yet > another. > > >From the critic's standpoint, theoretical interest is > important. From > the performer's standpoint, the practical interest of the > piece matters. > But from the lay listener's standpoint, it's only > important whether it > sounds good. I think that's why so many obviously > untalented musicians > become popular: they sound good. A performer may look at > how they create > music and go "why, it's all studio trickery" and turn up > his nose. A > critic may look at the structure of the music and say > "why, it's almost > childishly simplistic" and turn up his nose. But the > public listens to > the music and says "hey, that sounds good". > > I don't think anything a performer or critic thinks > should impact that. > If the public isn't going to say "that sounds good", what > exactly is the > *point*? Performers nodding at each other over how > creative the > production is won't make it sound good. Critics gushing > over how > original the theory is won't make it sound good. But > conversely, the > public buzzing about how great it sounds isn't going to > make it art. > > In the end, it's about goals. Who is your audience? > Critics? Performers? > The public? Realistically, it's a combination of all > three: the > admiration of critics will win you awards, the admiration > of performers > will give you credibility, and the admiration of the > public will give > you popularity. How important each of those things is to > you will > dictate what's important to your work. I'm not concerned > with awards, > and if I had to choose between credibility and popularity > I'd choose > popularity. So original theory isn't all that important > to me, and > creative production is only slightly important. I > primarily care whether > it sounds good. > > Is it art? Sometimes. It can be. But no, I wouldn't say > *everything* I > do is art. That doesn't mean I'm not an artist, it just > means that > sometimes the artistic validity of my work is > questionable. Every doodle > by Van Gogh wasn't art, either. > > >** i'm not convinced that a sample can really truly > capture that "essence," > >but this is probably a whole other kettle of fish. > > Not all of it. Samples never sound quite right. They're > *missing* > something. Different people have different ideas as to > what that > something is, but I think most musicians have noticed it; > they blame it > on digital/analog sometimes, other times they blame it on > unoriginal/original, and I don't think any of that's > altogether true. I > think "recorded" and "live" just sound different. > Recordings of > recordings start to mutate and degrade in a way that > isn't obvious, > because -- BIG dose of whacked-out opinion here -- > they're getting > farther from the original team that produced the work. I > don't really > know how to explain that, it's just something I halfway > perceive which > doesn't make any sort of logical sense. > > >Samples capture *some* of the > >original's emotional content, which can be carried over > for further > >effect. > > > >** interesting, this almost seems to be somewhat > contrary to your statement > >above - - or maybe that's what i'm driving at. > > I don't think a sample captures everything. When you > watch someone play > piano in person, you can see the emotion on his face, and > there's a > certain dramatic component to how he moves. If you hear > it from the next > room, something is missing -- and if you record it and > play it again > later, something else is missing. So if you sample that > recording and > record it, you have something missing again. That's three > generations of > something going out of the sound, which might be > described like: > > - Someone is playing this right here, right now. > - Someone is playing this over there, right now. > - Someone played this some time ago and recorded it. > - Someone recorded a recording of someone playing this > some time ago. > > No matter how much of the humanity and nuance you record > in the sound, > you keep getting farther from the original artist. The > human connection > gets more and more faint. It can be enhanced if someone > knows who played > it, or if the recorder of the recording of the recording > (damn that gets > tedious) associates himself as a "bridge" between the > original artist > and the listener. This is where recognisable samples have > value. > > And here, I almost wrote a very long essay on sampling as > a directional > weighted graph with comparisons to network routing > protocols, but I > think few people would follow it and nobody would care. > :P > > >** the interesting thing that strikes me *right now* > about this whole > >sampling thing - - in terms of how i understand *your* > usage of it - - is > >that is *referential* rather than *generational* . . . > in other words it > >doesn't necessarily *generate* any new information > (particularly emotional), > >rather it *refers* back to someone else's generation > and attempts to > >recontextualize it. > > With the caveat that this isn't the only sonic weapon in > my arsenal, > that's a pretty accurate description. A lot of my work > partially boils > down to a background track overlaid with recognisable > samples that > effectively say "think about this, now think about this, > now think about > this" -- leading the listener through several concepts to > draw > connections. Sometimes that has a purpose and a point; > other times, it's > just a train of thought thing. The musical value of what > comes out > varies likewise; just like sometimes you can sit at a > piano and play > something great, and other times you'll play something > that just plain > sucks. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 17:21:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11537; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 17:20:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 17:20:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB6FD@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Basic intro (OT) - Communicate or NOT?! Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 17:19:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C12762.46605080" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12762.46605080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Michael K. >> i always thought i was a shallow person because i never knew what my music communicated..... Caliban > Has anyone ever found a meaning in your music ** ya know, there were more than a few composers who felt that music in and of itself didn't communicate anything. (stravonsky and hindemith are two.) sl ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12762.46605080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Basic intro (OT) - Communicate or NOT?!

Michael K. >> i always thought i was a shallow = person because i never knew what my music communicated.....

Caliban > Has anyone ever found a meaning in your = music

** ya know, there were more than a few composers who = felt that music in and of itself didn't communicate anything. = (stravonsky and hindemith are two.)

sl

------_=_NextPart_001_01C12762.46605080-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 17:42:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13091; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 17:41:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 17:41:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 14:45:38 -0700 Organization: Darklock Communications Message-ID: <5v3rnt0nfdfnh6pgf4lckq4s5dgf9hqpui@4ax.com> References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB6EB@migarexch01.maritz.com> <2dnqnt49cl6crnm60hm1rncsojg4icq5tn@4ax.com> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:27:42 -0700, Richard Zvonar wrote: >At 1:15 PM -0700 8/17/01, Caliban Tiresias Darklock wrote: > >>That any single sound is not music. Music is by definition a combination >>and sequence of sounds > >No. Yuh-huh. *PTHBTTT* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 17:57:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14518; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 17:55:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 17:55:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB6FF@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Basic intro (OT) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 17:54:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C12767.291D5EF0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12767.291D5EF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" point 1: 4'33" by John Cage ** i think that this is music if one attempts to answer point 2 (adequate definition of music) and/or if one accepts the idea that it is music because the creator says that it is music (much in the way that duchamp's readymades are art because he has put them in a gallery and given them that appellation). not a value judgement, just a thought. this whole thread gets into a little of an e-mail correspondence that miko and i had about whether the term composer needs to be revamped. i think it does as it is used to describe many different activities that may or may not really describe "composition/composer" in a traditional sense. an analog would be the idea that an artist may work in many different media that can be identified: sculptor, painter, collage artist, assemblage artist, draughtsman, watercolorist, etc. the term "artist" is used as an umbrella term with finer subsets - - though this is obviously not as "clean" as it could be. i wish that there was a cleaner and more succinct way to delineate between what caliban does compositionally and what i do compositionally (for example). just a thought. sl ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12767.291D5EF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Basic intro (OT)

point 1: 4'33" by John Cage

** i think that this is music if one attempts to = answer point 2 (adequate definition of music) and/or if one accepts the = idea that it is music because the creator says that it is music (much = in the way that duchamp's readymades are art because he has put them in = a gallery and given them that appellation). not a value judgement, just = a thought.

this whole thread gets into a little of an e-mail = correspondence that miko and i had about whether the term composer = needs to be revamped. i think it does as it is used to describe many = different activities that may or may not really describe = "composition/composer" in a traditional sense. an analog = would be the idea that an artist may work in many different media that = can be identified: sculptor, painter, collage artist, assemblage = artist, draughtsman, watercolorist, etc. the term "artist" is = used as an umbrella term with finer subsets - - though this is = obviously not as "clean" as it could be. i wish that there = was a cleaner and more succinct way to delineate between what caliban = does compositionally and what i do compositionally (for example). =

just a thought.

sl

------_=_NextPart_001_01C12767.291D5EF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 18:17:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17059; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:14:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:14:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:18:33 -0700 Organization: Darklock Communications Message-ID: References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB6EB@migarexch01.maritz.com> <2dnqnt49cl6crnm60hm1rncsojg4icq5tn@4ax.com> <011401c1275e$d45083a0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> In-Reply-To: <011401c1275e$d45083a0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:54:37 -0500, "Dennis Leas" wrote: >Golly this has turned into quite a thread! > >I think "blanket statements" lead to a "warm discussion" (excuse the pun, >but it IS Friday). Consider the statement IN CONTEXT. Context, context, context, people! As posted: ----- > but what do *your* ears tell *you*?) That any single sound is not music. Music is by definition a combination and sequence of sounds ----- Now, if you'd like to second-guess what my ears tell me, I guess that's your prerogative. Not that anyone could have any logical grounds for such a process, but whatever turns you on. Now, let's address the concept of this being "wrong". In terms of whether my *opinion* is technically correct, let's apply the standard razor of the dictionary. Webster's Revised Unabridged: 1. The science and the art of tones, or musical sounds, i. e., sounds of higher or lower pitch, begotten of uniform and synchronous vibrations, as of a string at various degrees of tension; the science of harmonical tones which treats of the principles of harmony, or the properties, dependences, and relations of tones to each other; the art of combining tones in a manner to please the ear. 2. (a) Melody; a rhythmical and otherwise agreeable succession of tones. (b) Harmony; an accordant combination of simultaneous tones. 3. The written and printed notation of a musical composition; the score. 4. Love of music; capacity of enjoying music. 5. (Zo["o]l.) A more or less musical sound made by many of the lower animals. See Stridulation. Well, gee. It appears that BY DEFINITION, "sound" *is* plural in music. Clearly, there exists at least one definition in which this is not true, but I also clearly do not intend that definition. If you choose to commit the fallacy of equivocation regardless, feel free to do so -- with the understanding that no conclusion reached through this process will be logically valid, nor will it have any bearing on the validity of my OPINION. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 18:44:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19045; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:38:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:38:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <007b01c126f1$73abd760$0201a8c0@stephen> <00d301c126f8$53b4fe80$0201a8c0@stephen> <017501c126ff$369f2580$0201a8c0@stephen> Subject: Re: (OT) Copyright in a Sampled World... Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:37:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2001 22:37:16.0742 (UTC) FILETIME=[2AE16E60:01C1276D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > > The usual rate for sample usage is currently around 7.5 cents per copy. > > With an average of fifty samples in a track, that's $3.75 per track and > > $75 on a 20-track CD. Then you add in the cost of production and > > packaging, and it gets up to about $85. Shipping and handling will kick > > it up to $90, and I still haven't made a dime. But who the hell is going > > to buy a $90 CD?! > > > > Clearance is almost impossible. Contacting several hundred artists for > > permission to use the samples without payment will get a bunch of "FUCK > > YOU, PAY ME!" responses, and the songs are either damaged beyond > > salvation or have to be released unauthorised. > > > > Now, credit, we still have a problem. At three lines per sample and two > > columns per CD insert page, we only get about 10 samples credited per > > page. The sample credits alone take up 100 pages! > > > > Unfortunately, I can think of no good solution to this. Your thoughts > > would be welcomed. > > Sure thing, just as soon as you help my buddies solve the 'I-could-never-afford-all-this-music-I-downloaded-from-Napster,-what-should- I-do?' problem. This 'sample or don't sample' question is getting >very< far from what I consider to be the real issue, which I don't think I have seen addessed in this thread so far. Does it finished product suck, or not? This is a lot more important to me, as a 'consumer' of music, than the painfully grey 'legitmate art question'. Slightly more difficult to admit, it's even more important to me, from a music consumer standpoint, than whether the artists involved 'forced' collaboration. (and this is at the crux of the reasons that discussion has been so heated - more on that in a moment) The music sounds the same, whether or not you cleared the samples. I can't stand the-ripoff-artist-formerly-know-as-puff-daddy when he's lifting or when he's not, or Fratboy Slim for that matter. DJ shadow, and Matt Davignon :>, on the other hand, can spin a mean turntable. (Some of Shadow's stuff is a bit lame I must confess - I think he's pretty much played out. The elevator quartet cd was >ok<.) I could say a lot more, maybe later. Jonathan El-Bizri From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 18:45:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18615; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:32:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:32:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:23:55 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: Basic intro (OT) In-reply-to: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB6FF@migarexch01.maritz.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB6FF@migarexch01.maritz.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:54 PM -0400 8/17/01, Liebig, Steuart A. wrote: >whether the term composer needs to be revamped "Compose" from the Latin "com" + "ponere" = "to put together" A simple, inclusive term, but with perhaps less specificity than you'd like. I sometimes use "sound artist" when I don't want the musico-historical reference. "Musical collage performance artist" might be useful if it weren't so unwieldy. "Plunderphonicist" works for me, but I'm a John Oswald fan. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 18:52:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19445; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:40:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:40:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:44:18 -0700 Organization: Darklock Communications Message-ID: References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB6FF@migarexch01.maritz.com> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:23:55 -0700, Richard Zvonar wrote: >I sometimes use "sound artist" when I don't want the >musico-historical reference. I occasionally refer to myself as a "noise organiser" when I don't feel there's any particular art to what I'm working on. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 18:52:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20001; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:46:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:46:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 17:47:43 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <025201c1276e$a042e930$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB6EB@migarexch01.maritz.com> <2dnqnt49cl6crnm60hm1rncsojg4icq5tn@4ax.com> <011401c1275e$d45083a0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >And what is a "single sound" after all? oam... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 18:54:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20862; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:52:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:52:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB702@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Basic intro (OT) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:51:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1276F.31451A70" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1276F.31451A70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" "Compose" from the Latin "com" + "ponere" = "to put together" ** a chef, collagist and corporate headhunter could all qualify under that deifnition. A simple, inclusive term, but with perhaps less specificity than you'd like. ** well yeah. 'cause i see people labelled composers who really probably aren't (in my narrow view) - - they write nice tunes and the music is good . . . but I sometimes use "sound artist" when I don't want the musico-historical reference. ** makes sense to me. "Musical collage performance artist" might be useful if it weren't so unwieldy. ** and people will start getting judgemental about it sounding pretentious or whotnot - - even though it could be way more descriptive. sl ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1276F.31451A70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Basic intro (OT)

"Compose" from the Latin "com" + = "ponere" =3D "to put together"

** a chef, collagist and corporate headhunter could = all qualify under that deifnition.

A simple, inclusive term, but with perhaps less = specificity than you'd like.

** well yeah. 'cause i see people labelled composers = who really probably aren't  (in my narrow view) - - they write = nice tunes and the music is good . . . but

I sometimes use "sound artist" when I don't = want the
musico-historical reference.

** makes sense to me.

"Musical collage performance artist" =
might be useful if it weren't so unwieldy.

** and people will start getting judgemental about it = sounding pretentious or whotnot - - even though it could be way more = descriptive.


sl

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1276F.31451A70-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 19:02:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22841; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:00:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:00:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014a01c1276f$aaf09070$6b44230a@melon> From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB6EB@migarexch01.maritz.com> <2dnqnt49cl6crnm60hm1rncsojg4icq5tn@4ax.com> <011401c1275e$d45083a0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:55:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com *munch, munch, munch* *pop poppop poppoppoppdddpdddpdddpddpddd .......pop!!!!!!* *munch, munch, munch* ----- Original Message ----- From: "Caliban Tiresias Darklock" To: Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 6:18 PM Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) > On Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:54:37 -0500, "Dennis Leas" > wrote: > > >Golly this has turned into quite a thread! > > > >I think "blanket statements" lead to a "warm discussion" (excuse the pun, > >but it IS Friday). > > Consider the statement IN CONTEXT. Context, context, context, people! As > posted: > > ----- > > > but what do *your* ears tell *you*?) > > That any single sound is not music. Music is by definition a combination > and sequence of sounds > > ----- > > Now, if you'd like to second-guess what my ears tell me, I guess that's > your prerogative. Not that anyone could have any logical grounds for > such a process, but whatever turns you on. > > Now, let's address the concept of this being "wrong". In terms of > whether my *opinion* is technically correct, let's apply the standard > razor of the dictionary. Webster's Revised Unabridged: > > 1. The science and the art of tones, or musical sounds, i. e., sounds of > higher or lower pitch, begotten of uniform and synchronous vibrations, > as of a string at various degrees of tension; the science of harmonical > tones which treats of the principles of harmony, or the properties, > dependences, and relations of tones to each other; the art of combining > tones in a manner to please the ear. > > 2. (a) Melody; a rhythmical and otherwise agreeable succession of tones. > (b) Harmony; an accordant combination of simultaneous tones. > > 3. The written and printed notation of a musical composition; the score. > > 4. Love of music; capacity of enjoying music. > > 5. (Zo["o]l.) A more or less musical sound made by many of the lower > animals. See Stridulation. > > Well, gee. It appears that BY DEFINITION, "sound" *is* plural in music. > Clearly, there exists at least one definition in which this is not true, > but I also clearly do not intend that definition. If you choose to > commit the fallacy of equivocation regardless, feel free to do so -- > with the understanding that no conclusion reached through this process > will be logically valid, nor will it have any bearing on the validity of > my OPINION. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 19:06:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23251; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:04:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:04:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: Subject: Re: MIDI live looping Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:03:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2001 23:03:55.0651 (UTC) FILETIME=[E3E79530:01C12770] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Jonathan, I didn't know you were a ztarist! > > Yeah, I have the basic mini-Z. Unfortunately, no buttons, so no OS upgrade for me. Besides, I'd never have the courage to use it live. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 19:08:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23572; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:07:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:07:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB703@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Basic intro (OT) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:04:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C12771.02831FA0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12771.02831FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" nice composition! *munch, munch, munch* *pop poppop poppoppoppdddpdddpdddpddpddd .......pop!!!!!!* *munch, munch, munch* ----- Original Message ----- From: "Caliban Tiresias Darklock" To: Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 6:18 PM Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) > On Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:54:37 -0500, "Dennis Leas" > wrote: > > >Golly this has turned into quite a thread! > > > >I think "blanket statements" lead to a "warm discussion" (excuse the pun, > >but it IS Friday). > > Consider the statement IN CONTEXT. Context, context, context, people! As > posted: > > ----- > > > but what do *your* ears tell *you*?) > > That any single sound is not music. Music is by definition a combination > and sequence of sounds > > ----- > > Now, if you'd like to second-guess what my ears tell me, I guess that's > your prerogative. Not that anyone could have any logical grounds for > such a process, but whatever turns you on. > > Now, let's address the concept of this being "wrong". In terms of > whether my *opinion* is technically correct, let's apply the standard > razor of the dictionary. Webster's Revised Unabridged: > > 1. The science and the art of tones, or musical sounds, i. e., sounds of > higher or lower pitch, begotten of uniform and synchronous vibrations, > as of a string at various degrees of tension; the science of harmonical > tones which treats of the principles of harmony, or the properties, > dependences, and relations of tones to each other; the art of combining > tones in a manner to please the ear. > > 2. (a) Melody; a rhythmical and otherwise agreeable succession of tones. > (b) Harmony; an accordant combination of simultaneous tones. > > 3. The written and printed notation of a musical composition; the score. > > 4. Love of music; capacity of enjoying music. > > 5. (Zo["o]l.) A more or less musical sound made by many of the lower > animals. See Stridulation. > > Well, gee. It appears that BY DEFINITION, "sound" *is* plural in music. > Clearly, there exists at least one definition in which this is not true, > but I also clearly do not intend that definition. If you choose to > commit the fallacy of equivocation regardless, feel free to do so -- > with the understanding that no conclusion reached through this process > will be logically valid, nor will it have any bearing on the validity of > my OPINION. > > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12771.02831FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: Basic intro (OT)

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*pop poppop poppoppoppdddpdddpdddpddpddd .......pop!!!!!!*

<microwave ding!>
<chair squeak>
<footsteps>
<rustling noises, smell of fake butter>
<footsteps returning>
<chair squeak>

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Caliban Tiresias Darklock" <caliban@darklock.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT)


> On Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:54:37 -0500, "Dennis Leas"
<dennis@mdbs.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Golly this has turned into quite a thread!
> >
> >I think "blanket statements" lead to a "warm discussion"
(excuse the pun,
> >but it IS Friday).
>
> Consider the statement IN CONTEXT. Context, context, context,
people! As
> posted:
>
> -----
>
> > but what do *your* ears tell *you*?)
>
> That any single sound is not music. Music is by definition a
combination
> and sequence of sounds
>
> -----
>
> Now, if you'd like to second-guess what my ears tell me, I
guess that's
> your prerogative. Not that anyone could have any logical
grounds for
> such a process, but whatever turns you on.
>
> Now, let's address the concept of this being "wrong". In terms
of
> whether my *opinion* is technically correct, let's apply the
standard
> razor of the dictionary. Webster's Revised Unabridged:
>
> 1. The science and the art of tones, or musical sounds, i. e.,
sounds of
> higher or lower pitch, begotten of uniform and synchronous
vibrations,
> as of a string at various degrees of tension; the science of
harmonical
> tones which treats of the principles of harmony, or the
properties,
> dependences, and relations of tones to each other; the art of
combining
> tones in a manner to please the ear.
>
> 2. (a) Melody; a rhythmical and otherwise agreeable succession
of tones.
> (b) Harmony; an accordant combination of simultaneous tones.
>
> 3. The written and printed notation of a musical composition;
the score.
>
> 4. Love of music; capacity of enjoying music.
>
> 5. (Zo["o]l.) A more or less musical sound made by many of the
lower
> animals. See Stridulation.
>
> Well, gee. It appears that BY DEFINITION, "sound" *is* plural
in music.
> Clearly, there exists at least one definition in which this is
not true,
> but I also clearly do not intend that definition. If you
choose to
> commit the fallacy of equivocation regardless, feel free to do
so --
> with the understanding that no conclusion reached through this
process
> will be logically valid, nor will it have any bearing on the
validity of
> my OPINION.
>
>

------_=_NextPart_001_01C12771.02831FA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 19:22:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24952; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:21:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:21:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: MIDI live looping Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:20:29 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Yeah, I have the basic mini-Z. Unfortunately, no buttons, so no OS upgrade > for me. The OS upgrade will, I believe, be a replacement CPU card and user installable. So you are upgradeable... > Besides, I'd never have the courage to use it live. Really? Why not? K From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 19:24:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25328; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:23:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:23:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <016c01c12772$de3ed7e0$6b44230a@melon> From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: Subject: OT: another ztaristarian (was RE: MIDI live looping) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:18:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Aw c'mon. Don't set that expectation. Open your mind dude! (sways slightly, humming). And even if you don't have buttons, could you not control the midi looping functions with a foot controller or something? Mike, with a new Z2 he's working over P.S. I think the mini-Z is a great way to go. Designwise I think it's the most ergonomic, playable design. I'm going to freak out Harvey by seeing if he can take out some of the controllers and mount the ztar neck into the body more so that the angle is better for tapping - a mini-Z2 I guess. (Don't cry Harvey) *-P ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 7:03 PM Subject: Re: MIDI live looping > > > > Jonathan, I didn't know you were a ztarist! > > > > > > Yeah, I have the basic mini-Z. Unfortunately, no buttons, so no OS upgrade > for me. Besides, I'd never have the courage to use it live. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 19:35:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26498; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:33:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:33:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: Subject: Re: MIDI live looping Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:32:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2001 23:32:41.0435 (UTC) FILETIME=[E88D52B0:01C12774] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Yeah, I have the basic mini-Z. Unfortunately, no buttons, so no OS upgrade > > for me. > > The OS upgrade will, I believe, be a replacement CPU card and user > installable. So you are upgradeable... > > > Besides, I'd never have the courage to use it live. > > Really? Why not? The velocity sensitivity - I've never been able to get an even velocity response from mine. Every 5 note hits a 127, no matter what I do, unless I turn off velocity switching. Ok in the studio, but not when people are watching. I use it to write patterns and solos I feed to a hardware sequencer via emagic logic. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 19:36:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26807; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:35:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:35:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <016c01c12772$de3ed7e0$6b44230a@melon> Subject: Re: another ztaristarian (was RE: MIDI live looping) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:34:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2001 23:34:51.0367 (UTC) FILETIME=[35FF5F70:01C12775] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Aw c'mon. Don't set that expectation. Open your mind dude! > (sways slightly, humming). And even if you don't have buttons, > could you not control the midi looping functions with a foot > controller or something? > I was under the impression that the new functions may or may not include midi control. It would also only be of use live, which comes back to the velocity issues. > Mike, with a new Z2 he's working over > > P.S. I think the mini-Z is a great way to go. Designwise I > think it's the most ergonomic, playable design. I'm going to > freak out Harvey by seeing if he can take out some of the > controllers and mount the ztar neck into the body more so that > the angle is better for tapping - a mini-Z2 I guess. (Don't cry > Harvey) *-P > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 7:03 PM > Subject: Re: MIDI live looping > > > > > > > > > Jonathan, I didn't know you were a ztarist! > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, I have the basic mini-Z. Unfortunately, no buttons, so > no OS upgrade > > for me. Besides, I'd never have the courage to use it live. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 19:38:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27092; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:37:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:37:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <016c01c12772$de3ed7e0$6b44230a@melon> Subject: OT: Re: another ztaristarian (was RE: MIDI live looping) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:36:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2001 23:36:21.0592 (UTC) FILETIME=[6BC69D80:01C12775] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > P.S. I think the mini-Z is a great way to go. Designwise I > think it's the most ergonomic, playable design. I'm going to > freak out Harvey by seeing if he can take out some of the > controllers and mount the ztar neck into the body more so that > the angle is better for tapping - a mini-Z2 I guess. (Don't cry > Harvey) *-P > I added a strap 'peg' to mine at the top, so I could wear it like a stick. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 19:58:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28728; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:57:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:57:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: MIDI live looping Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:56:41 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, the velocity sensitivity is, well, sensitive. My ztar is still very new and so I'm still learning how to handle velocity properly. However, it seems to me, so far anyway, that the volume "errors" I'm hearing are more the result of my inability to control pressure accurately. (I don't think we realize that our relative finger strength is almost always different - meaning, for one example, that our index finger is always stronger than our middle finger. Moreover, we never really had to learn how to control this properly, or at least in this way, when we were learning a stringed instrument). I am making progress however. What say you Michael? Kevin > The velocity sensitivity - I've never been able to get an even velocity > response from mine. Every 5 note hits a 127, no matter what I do, unless I > turn off velocity switching. Ok in the studio, but not when people are > watching. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 20:14:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30932; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 20:13:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 20:13:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: (OT) Copyright in a Sampled World... Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 17:17:03 -0700 Organization: Darklock Communications Message-ID: <8o7rnt8dqtbf6jeop0fvdr8pe5v5f0l95p@4ax.com> References: <007b01c126f1$73abd760$0201a8c0@stephen> <00d301c126f8$53b4fe80$0201a8c0@stephen> <017501c126ff$369f2580$0201a8c0@stephen> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7IMQ-D.A.kiH.7Lbf7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:37:16 -0700, "Jonathan El-Bizri" wrote: >Sure thing, just as soon as you help my buddies solve the >'I-could-never-afford-all-this-music-I-downloaded-from-Napster,-what-should- >I-do?' problem. As far as I'm concerned, Napster users are thieves. End of story. >Does it finished product suck, or not? This is a lot >more important to me, as a 'consumer' of music, than the painfully grey >'legitmate art question'. Hey, I said that! About two and a half hours ago! ---- >From the critic's standpoint, theoretical interest is important. From the performer's standpoint, the practical interest of the piece matters. But from the lay listener's standpoint, it's only important whether it sounds good. I think that's why so many obviously untalented musicians become popular: they sound good. A performer may look at how they create music and go "why, it's all studio trickery" and turn up his nose. A critic may look at the structure of the music and say "why, it's almost childishly simplistic" and turn up his nose. But the public listens to the music and says "hey, that sounds good". ---- >Slightly more difficult to admit, it's even more important to me, from a >music consumer standpoint, than whether the artists involved 'forced' >collaboration. Anyone else here have "Deconstructing Beck"? ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 20:23:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31629; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 20:22:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 20:22:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB707@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: (OT) Copyright in a Sampled World... Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 20:21:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1277B.B0C5D3A0" Resent-Message-ID: <8b20sC.A.6tH.nUbf7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1277B.B0C5D3A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hey, I said that! About two and a half hours ago! ** nah, it was a sample . . . sl ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1277B.B0C5D3A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: (OT) Copyright in a Sampled World...

Hey, I said that! About two and a half hours ago!

** nah, it was a sample . . .

sl

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1277B.B0C5D3A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 20:49:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA00719; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 20:46:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 20:46:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.206.89.251] From: "Jon" To: References: <007b01c126f1$73abd760$0201a8c0@stephen> <00d301c126f8$53b4fe80$0201a8c0@stephen> <017501c126ff$369f2580$0201a8c0@stephen> <8o7rnt8dqtbf6jeop0fvdr8pe5v5f0l95p@4ax.com> Subject: Re: (OT) Copyright in a Sampled World... Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 17:45:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Aug 2001 00:45:33.0023 (UTC) FILETIME=[1638B6F0:01C1277F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From the critic's standpoint, theoretical interest is important. From > the performer's standpoint, the practical interest of the piece matters. > But from the lay listener's standpoint, it's only important whether it > sounds good. I think that's why so many obviously untalented musicians > become popular: they sound good. A performer may look at how they create > music and go "why, it's all studio trickery" and turn up his nose. A > critic may look at the structure of the music and say "why, it's almost > childishly simplistic" and turn up his nose. But the public listens to > the music and says "hey, that sounds good". > Yes, but the public are a bunch of brain dead lemmings. What makes a stupid majority's opinion better than that of a few hypothetical, pretentious individuals? You're right, the public aren't easily fooled; look at politics. I listened to your work, and as a performer I thought,"this sucks," but anyone who with the skill to create this improvised, and on the fly, would eventually make something interesting. As a critic, I listened to it and thought, "this sucks," it doesn't say anything that hasn't been said before; it's just filling space. As a member of the public, I would just switch the channel back to Britney - that's what all the my friends listen to these days, and she just did an interview on MTV. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 20:55:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01350; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 20:51:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 20:51:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.206.89.251] From: "Jon" To: References: Subject: Re: MIDI live looping Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 17:50:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Aug 2001 00:50:16.0502 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF302D60:01C1277F] Resent-Message-ID: <3nkx9C.A.aU.nvbf7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Yes, the velocity sensitivity is, well, sensitive. > > My ztar is still very new and so I'm still learning how to handle velocity > properly. However, it seems to me, so far anyway, that the volume "errors" > I'm hearing are more the result of my inability to control pressure > accurately. (I don't think we realize that our relative finger strength is > almost always different - meaning, for one example, that our index finger is > always stronger than our middle finger. Moreover, we never really had to > learn how to control this properly, or at least in this way, when we were > learning a stringed instrument). No - it's touch sensitive, at least mine is. The velocity response of some of the buttons is different than others too - always has been. It's not something one can 'learn' - it's beyond my physical ability to be that subtle - it's not like sometimes I hit them louder, it's a case the difference is indiscernably close, and the result is a full volume note - not just one louder than I meant it to be. I can do >ok< in the studio, cleaning up after myself, but there's no way I would ever use it live, unless I found a solution. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 21:18:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03777; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 21:11:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 21:11:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010817180132.00cb1a50@crash.cts.com> X-Sender: harvey@crash.cts.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:01:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Harvey Starr Subject: Re: MIDI live looping In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:32 PM 8/17/01 -0700, you wrote: > > >> > Yeah, I have the basic mini-Z. Unfortunately, no buttons, so no OS >upgrade >> > for me. >> >> The OS upgrade will, I believe, be a replacement CPU card and user >> installable. So you are upgradeable... >> >> > Besides, I'd never have the courage to use it live. >> >> Really? Why not? > >The velocity sensitivity - I've never been able to get an even velocity >response from mine. Every 5 note hits a 127, no matter what I do, unless I >turn off velocity switching. Ok in the studio, but not when people are >watching. > I thought you were going to send it back so I could fix it. (Assuming the proper adjustments have already been performed.) ????? Did you have the velocity-randomize feature enabled ? ;) -hs >I use it to write patterns and solos I feed to a hardware sequencer via >emagic logic. > > > http://www.starrlabs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 21:35:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05108; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 21:32:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 21:32:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B7D8E17.48DB@worldpath.net> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 21:35:21 +0000 From: rb Reply-To: rumble@worldpath.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MIDI live looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com there was something called The Event Station (hardware) which kurzweil & dauz were working on, but i don't think it made it to the market. sort of like a drumkat on steroids... i never got to test one (was supposed to...) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 21:39:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05666; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 21:36:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 21:36:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: (OT) Copyright in a Sampled World... Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:40:53 -0700 Organization: Darklock Communications Message-ID: <3hhrnt8tr7cgviu08hpc9ifu2fdq5ss8rc@4ax.com> References: <007b01c126f1$73abd760$0201a8c0@stephen> <00d301c126f8$53b4fe80$0201a8c0@stephen> <017501c126ff$369f2580$0201a8c0@stephen> <8o7rnt8dqtbf6jeop0fvdr8pe5v5f0l95p@4ax.com> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 17 Aug 2001 17:45:42 -0700, "Jon" wrote: >Yes, but the public are a bunch of brain dead lemmings. Then why are you making music to begin with? For some elite group of people who can appreciate it? I prefer to enjoy myself. If I come up with something great, hey, cool. If I don't, fuck it, I had fun. Usually I come up with something that a reasonably large group of people *also* considers fun. >What makes a stupid >majority's opinion better than that of a few hypothetical, pretentious >individuals? Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups. (I saw a t-shirt that said that once. I've always wanted to go buy about a hundred of them and recruit a bunch of random folks to wear them in various places while I took a picture. That would be an interesting web page.) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 22:05:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08320; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 22:02:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 22:02:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.206.89.251] From: "Jon" To: References: <007b01c126f1$73abd760$0201a8c0@stephen> <00d301c126f8$53b4fe80$0201a8c0@stephen> <017501c126ff$369f2580$0201a8c0@stephen> <8o7rnt8dqtbf6jeop0fvdr8pe5v5f0l95p@4ax.com> <3hhrnt8tr7cgviu08hpc9ifu2fdq5ss8rc@4ax.com> Subject: Re: (OT) Copyright in a Sampled World... Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:01:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Aug 2001 02:01:35.0133 (UTC) FILETIME=[B57374D0:01C12789] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com : > > >Yes, but the public are a bunch of brain dead lemmings. > > Then why are you making music to begin with? For some elite group of > people who can appreciate it? Yes - me. I'm not in it to be cool. I'm failing that miserably :> > I prefer to enjoy myself. If I come up > with something great, hey, cool. If I don't, fuck it, I had fun. Usually > I come up with something that a reasonably large group of people *also* > considers fun. > Then you are a luckier man than I; I'm jealous. :> > >What makes a stupid > >majority's opinion better than that of a few hypothetical, pretentious > >individuals? > > Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups. (I saw a > t-shirt that said that once. I've always wanted to go buy about a > hundred of them and recruit a bunch of random folks to wear them in > various places while I took a picture. That would be an interesting web > page.) > So they're powerful. So is the school bully. Is his opinion valid too? Why should I care either way, as long as they aren't trying to pummel me? :> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 22:33:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09940; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 22:29:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 22:29:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B7DD2B3.2512BA01@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:28:03 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater substitute(was Re: (OT) Copyright in a Sampled World... References: <007b01c126f1$73abd760$0201a8c0@stephen> <00d301c126f8$53b4fe80$0201a8c0@stephen> <017501c126ff$369f2580$0201a8c0@stephen> <8o7rnt8dqtbf6jeop0fvdr8pe5v5f0l95p@4ax.com> <3hhrnt8tr7cgviu08hpc9ifu2fdq5ss8rc@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I guess we found our Repeater topic substitute. Mark Jon wrote: > : > > > > >Yes, but the public are a bunch of brain dead lemmings. > > > > Then why are you making music to begin with? For some elite group of > > people who can appreciate it? > > Yes - me. I'm not in it to be cool. I'm failing that miserably :> > > > I prefer to enjoy myself. If I come up > > with something great, hey, cool. If I don't, fuck it, I had fun. Usually > > I come up with something that a reasonably large group of people *also* > > considers fun. > > > > Then you are a luckier man than I; I'm jealous. :> > > > >What makes a stupid > > >majority's opinion better than that of a few hypothetical, pretentious > > >individuals? > > > > Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups. (I saw a > > t-shirt that said that once. I've always wanted to go buy about a > > hundred of them and recruit a bunch of random folks to wear them in > > various places while I took a picture. That would be an interesting web > > page.) > > > > So they're powerful. So is the school bully. Is his opinion valid too? Why > should I care either way, as long as they aren't trying to pummel me? :> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 00:15:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA18456; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 00:14:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 00:14:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010818001013.007e3d40@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 00:10:13 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Basic into (TO) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010817110450.007ddd00@pop.ici.net> References: <3.0.5.32.20010816230412.007dba50@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010815194508.007db9a0@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010813234410.007e4850@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010813234410.007e4850@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010814201806.007d1e30@pop.ici.net> <7mmjntkdhp0v73ipps54uh3fp487h4hejt@4ax.com> <3.0.5.32.20010815194508.007db9a0@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010816230412.007dba50@pop.ici.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lance typed regarding an unattributed piano sample on the Sneaker Pimps' 'Becoming X'...: >geez tim! >i've been listening to this dang thing all morning. give us a hint, okay? :-) >lance g. (aka tired ears) It's four chords of Sandy Denny. I forget what song, maybe 'Late November'... I thought as a Nick Drake fan you'd get that one, Lance! -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 07:09:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA14075; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 07:06:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 07:06:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 07:05:25 EDT Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 8/17/01 8:11:40 PM, caliban@darklock.com writes: << using a single sample is just like using a single note (or a sine wave): it's boring. >> nothing is intrinsically "boring" - just people that are "bored" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 07:15:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA14692; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 07:14:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 07:14:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c001c127d6$efaf1d00$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <007b01c126f1$73abd760$0201a8c0@stephen> <00d301c126f8$53b4fe80$0201a8c0@stephen> <017501c126ff$369f2580$0201a8c0@stephen> <8o7rnt8dqtbf6jeop0fvdr8pe5v5f0l95p@4ax.com> Subject: Re: (OT) Copyright in a Sampled World... Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 12:14:18 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Jon" put forth: > Yes, but the public are a bunch of brain dead lemmings. What makes a stupid > majority's opinion better than that of a few hypothetical, pretentious > individuals? You're right, the public aren't easily fooled; look at > politics. That's not a very nice opinion to have of the folks who could pay you to perform or record your music, is it? While it's true that many folks could have cottage cheese between their ears and you wouldn't know the difference, it doesn't mean that they can't like your music or whatever other art one produces. If it brings them something that's even nicer, don't you think? The contention that all people are easily swayed and otherwise manipulated is at times exaggerated by successes in advertising/propaganda, that are mostly confined or otherwise controlled. This I believe is the product of marketing statistics being used and touted by people who might have another agenda present than telling you or me the truth about human behavior. More often than not such stats are used to specifically support the existence of an advertising or marketing campaign. Is this any way to run an airline? (No, but the ad campaign sure worked for National back in the late 60s. Note that National, however, is no longer with us, while the slogan certainly is.) > I listened to your work, and as a performer I thought,"this sucks," but > anyone who with the skill to create this improvised, and on the fly, would > eventually make something interesting. > > As a critic, I listened to it and thought, "this sucks," it doesn't say > anything that hasn't been said before; it's just filling space. > > As a member of the public, I would just switch the channel back to Britney - > that's what all the my friends listen to these days, and she just did an > interview on MTV. Perhaps they were just looking at her cantilevered breasts. There's a lot more to look at then there were some years ago, and this also was probably due to marketing in one form or another, too. Evil business that. I prefer to try to find the glimmers in the mass, the bits of florescent mica in the concrete. Those are the folks I'm creating for from a "positioning" standpoint. If the rest like it, fine. But I don't conform my material to what I *think* people want. Call me extremist I suppose. At the moment despite relative poverty I'm still able to create. Therefore God is Good, and while the PC still works, I create. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.live365.com/stations/218194 * EarthLight Online / Live! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 09:29:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA22594; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 09:27:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 09:27:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <105.7f7e0a1.28afc739@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 09:27:21 EDT Subject: (OT) public/bunch/brain dead/lemmings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on yet another topic that quickly became only remotely related to its original subject-line and is beginning to sound remarkably similar to the topic that was entitled 'basic intro', someone (?qui?) said: >>Yes, but the public are a bunch of brain dead lemmings. caliban@darklock.com responded: >Then why are you making music to begin with? shit, yer right! thanks, caliban, for clarifying ---and, as you'll see below, *rectifying*--- the past 30+ years of my life, so summarily. from now on, i'll try a *lot* harder to make music that more people like, regardless of what *i* perceive to be germane to the potential uplifting of my (or anyone else's) existence --- duck & cover, gango, i think i'm gonna build another musical mcdonald's/burger king/popeye's/taco bell! i can see it, now: i'll be the martha stewart of looping, the katie couric of guitar, the 'nsync of coffee-makers! i'll be the moby of mixing, the george w. bush of effects-routing, the j-lo of the whammy bar, the marilyn manson of tabla-machining, the larrykinglive of oud! >For some elite group of >people who can appreciate it? I prefer to enjoy myself. some of us make music -of varying *styles*- for more, ermmmm..... ephemeral 'reasons' --- (i'm not sure that the word 'reason' applies, herein). some of us are committed to music inna way that is, well, different than (but can certainly be 'inclusive of') 'self-enjoyment'. methinks that the depth of this kinda commitment requires that one be at least a *little* bit impervious to folks' opinions, elite or otherwise --- of course, that's not to imply that someone of this stripe wouldn't 'listen to' other people's opinions (and/or, 'purchasing habits'), just that the root of one's creative intentions might be the primary source of (self)-criticism. >If I come up >with something great, hey, cool. If I don't, fuck it, I had fun. Usually >I come up with something that a reasonably large group of people *also* >considers fun. should music be fun? yeah, some of it should..... but not all of it, & not all the time. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 10:02:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA25352; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 10:01:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 10:01:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013701c127ee$45e4b240$0aaa5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: Repeater Foot Controller Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 10:01:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <5vRd1D.A.qLG.XUnf7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Sean >I don't think LB is around anymore. That would be a shame - especially if noone picked up Midigator support. Does anyone have schematics on this beastie? Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 10:06:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA25856; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 10:05:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 10:05:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013e01c127ee$da6d9940$0aaa5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: Repeater Foot Controller Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 10:05:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: mr monk >mine are both still working (thank god).... knock wood... but i dispair of >finding something to take their place...i am always on the look out for a >backup-backup. an audio engineer friend of mine always says " have two of >everything, if it's something you USE, then have three..." Sage advice for a pro or a rich enthusiast. But you previously said: >>> i'ave been looking to replace my >>> midigator before my last two die... That led me to believe you've had more in the past and that they died beyond repair. Did I extrapolate incorrectly? Cheers, Bill >on 8/16/01 8:55 PM, Bill Fox at billfox@fast.net wrote: >> Of what did your previous Midigators die? (How many died on you?) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 10:12:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26441; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 10:10:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 10:10:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200108181409.f7IE9um24198@chmls06.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: (OT) public/bunch/brain dead/lemmings Date: Sat, 18 Aug 01 10:12:09 -0400 x-sender: jdurant@pop.ne.mediaone.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: jdurant To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com DT- Please do NOT start making "N*SYNC Coffee. Stick to the good stuff or I'll be forced to take drastic measures!!!! Oh, and: make whatever music you want. Your looping will still be "a good thing." jd >Subject: (OT) public/bunch/brain dead/lemmings >Sent: 8/14/20 6:45 PM >Received: 8/18/01 10:05 AM >From: Hedewa7@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >on yet another topic that quickly became only remotely related to its >original subject-line and is beginning to sound remarkably similar to the >topic that was entitled 'basic intro', >someone (?qui?) said: >>>Yes, but the public are a bunch of brain dead lemmings. > >caliban@darklock.com responded: >>Then why are you making music to begin with? >shit, yer right! >thanks, caliban, for clarifying ---and, as you'll see below, *rectifying*--- >the past 30+ years of my life, so summarily. >from now on, i'll try a *lot* harder to make music that more people like, >regardless of what *i* perceive to be germane to the potential uplifting of >my (or anyone else's) existence --- duck & cover, gango, i think i'm gonna >build another musical mcdonald's/burger king/popeye's/taco bell! >i can see it, now: >i'll be the martha stewart of looping, the katie couric of guitar, the >'nsync >of coffee-makers! i'll be the moby of mixing, the george w. bush of >effects-routing, the j-lo of the whammy bar, the marilyn manson of >tabla-machining, the larrykinglive of oud! > >>For some elite group of >>people who can appreciate it? I prefer to enjoy myself. >some of us make music -of varying *styles*- for more, ermmmm..... ephemeral >'reasons' --- (i'm not sure that the word 'reason' applies, herein). >some of us are committed to music inna way that is, well, different than >(but >can certainly be 'inclusive of') 'self-enjoyment'. >methinks that the depth of this kinda commitment requires that one be at >least a *little* bit impervious to folks' opinions, elite or otherwise --- >of >course, that's not to imply that someone of this stripe wouldn't 'listen to' >other people's opinions (and/or, 'purchasing habits'), just that the root of >one's creative intentions might be the primary source of (self)-criticism. > >>If I come up >>with something great, hey, cool. If I don't, fuck it, I had fun. Usually >>I come up with something that a reasonably large group of people *also* >>considers fun. >should music be fun? yeah, some of it should..... but not all of it, & not >all the time. >best, >dt / s-c > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 10:18:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27149; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 10:17:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 10:17:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 10:10:21 -0500 Subject: Re: Repeater Foot Controller From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <013e01c127ee$da6d9940$0aaa5cd1@-> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sorry, my statement was misleading. these are the only tow i've ever had, and aside from a power supply mishap, they have been really reliable. i was just referring to the way fo all things. "the grass withers, the flower fades..." someday they will die...and i have no backup or replacement. and none on the horizon.. i don't know of any support for these units, but i'd love to learn otherwise. i have the original manual and that's about all. peace monk on 8/18/01 9:05 AM, Bill Fox at billfox@fast.net wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: mr monk > >> mine are both still working (thank god).... knock wood... but i dispair of >> finding something to take their place...i am always on the look out for a >> backup-backup. an audio engineer friend of mine always says " have two of >> everything, if it's something you USE, then have three..." > > Sage advice for a pro or a rich enthusiast. But you previously said: >>>> i'ave been looking to replace my >>>> midigator before my last two die... > > That led me to believe you've had more in the past and that they died beyond > repair. Did I extrapolate incorrectly? > > Cheers, > > Bill > >> on 8/16/01 8:55 PM, Bill Fox at billfox@fast.net wrote: >>> Of what did your previous Midigators die? (How many died on you?) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 10:26:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27908; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 10:25:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 10:25:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01f001c127f1$9a6e3540$0aaa5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: MIDI live looping Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 10:25:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Nic Roozeboom >Are there any people of experience with a simple MIDI "looping device" - I >know, I know, it's called a sequencer - but most sequencers I've seen don't >lend themselves well to a live loop-playing style I'd like to perpetuate: >hands on the instrument (guitar, in my case) and feet on the pedals, traps, >buttons & twiddly knobs. Hi Nic, This doesn't fit your requirements because a mouse and monitor are required. But Director-S is the sequencer software that runs on the Roland S-550 sampler. It's a pattern/song based sequencer (no linear tracks). My method of building up events in a pattern (real time recording mode) seems as if it might be adaptable for live performance use. A friend of mine uses a laptop running Cubase (I think) that lets you set up a loop (of one or more measures). But I think that he doesn't do it in real time. Perhaps someone on this list knows of a sequencing package that can be used in this manner? Cheers, Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, send email to: emusic-wdiy-subscribe@yahoogroups.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 11:01:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31075; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 11:00:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 11:00:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <146.1cea82.28afdcbe@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 10:59:10 EDT Subject: Re: (OT) Copyright in a Sampled World... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_146.1cea82.28afdcbe_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10532 Resent-Message-ID: <1_y9H.A.JlH.iLof7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_146.1cea82.28afdcbe_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/17/01 8:13:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, caliban@darklock.com writes: > I think that's why so many obviously untalented musicians > i would not consider myself a "talented" musician, my compositon, when there is any, is always quite simple.....but i "sound good" or so ive been told.....whats interesting to me is the fact that i work at sounding "gooder" more than i work at becoming more "talented".....huh?.....:)m p.s. perhaps a dumb question: why do many of you "loop" old posts into your post i.e. i have the same, oft times "long" posts pop up several times in a row verbatim.....my memory is not that bad yet --part1_146.1cea82.28afdcbe_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/17/01 8:13:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
caliban@darklock.com writes:


I think that's why so many obviously untalented musicians
become popular: they sound good.


i would not consider myself a "talented" musician, my compositon, when there
is any, is always quite simple.....but i "sound good" or so ive been
told.....whats interesting to me is the fact that i work at sounding "gooder"
more than i work at becoming  more "talented".....huh?.....:)m
p.s. perhaps a dumb question: why do many of you "loop" old posts into your
post i.e. i have the same, oft times "long" posts pop up several times in a
row verbatim.....my memory is not that bad yet --part1_146.1cea82.28afdcbe_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 11:03:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31380; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 11:02:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 11:02:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Lake Butler Pedal Support (OT) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 08:02:28 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all--I have had the Mitigator since it first came out. My old buddy George York in Florida at YRS was the last company to have the service contract for Lake Butler--he told me Emmett doesn't even answer the phone anymore at home, just lets the machine pick it up. Who has a lead on a company that services/repairs these things? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 11:46:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01538; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 11:45:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 11:45:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 11:44:24 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Lake Butler Pedal Support (OT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hi all--I have had the Mitigator since it first came out. My old buddy >George York in Florida at YRS was the last company to have the service >contract for Lake Butler--he told me Emmett doesn't even answer the phone >anymore at home, just lets the machine pick it up. Who has a lead on a >company that services/repairs these things? or even just a service manual -- then a good technician could figure out how to service the beast. /t .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 12:02:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03540; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 12:01:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 12:01:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 12:00:53 -0400 Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 8/18/01 7:05 AM, PMimlitsch@aol.com at PMimlitsch@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/17/01 8:11:40 PM, caliban@darklock.com writes: > > << using a single sample is just like using a > single note (or a sine wave): it's boring. >> > > nothing is intrinsically "boring" - just people that are "bored" > What's really getting boring is THIS DAMNED THREAD. DLM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 12:23:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04951; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 12:22:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 12:22:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 12:21:06 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >What's really getting boring is THIS DAMNED THREAD. eh... it's the summer... you can always just delete it! insert cheerful smileys to taste... /t (speaking of which, I'm hosting the first meeting of Forteans of New York this afternoon at 2pm, do drop by if you in the vicinity and are interesting in the study of the unexplained: has the scoop. ) .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 12:46:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06753; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 12:45:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 12:45:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B7E9B46.9774452F@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 09:43:50 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: (OT) public/bunch/brain dead/lemmings References: <105.7f7e0a1.28afc739@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can my wife and I join your new band David? We're gonna be the Captain and Tenille of ambient music! Wooo hooo! It reminds me of the time Peter Gabriel told Laurie Anderson, "You should try and make music that's more accessible to people." She came out with the Strange Angles album. Now, I don't know how many of you feel about that album, but I thought it was by FAR her worst work. I thought that even before I heard it was made based on Peter's recommendation. Years later she recorded Tightrope/Bright Red, and I was blown away. As my friend Bill used to say, "To thine own self be true." Mark "The Captain" Sottilaro Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > on yet another topic that quickly became only remotely related to its > original subject-line and is beginning to sound remarkably similar to the > topic that was entitled 'basic intro', > someone (?qui?) said: > >>Yes, but the public are a bunch of brain dead lemmings. > > caliban@darklock.com responded: > >Then why are you making music to begin with? > shit, yer right! > thanks, caliban, for clarifying ---and, as you'll see below, *rectifying*--- > the past 30+ years of my life, so summarily. > from now on, i'll try a *lot* harder to make music that more people like, > regardless of what *i* perceive to be germane to the potential uplifting of > my (or anyone else's) existence --- duck & cover, gango, i think i'm gonna > build another musical mcdonald's/burger king/popeye's/taco bell! > i can see it, now: > i'll be the martha stewart of looping, the katie couric of guitar, the 'nsync > of coffee-makers! i'll be the moby of mixing, the george w. bush of > effects-routing, the j-lo of the whammy bar, the marilyn manson of > tabla-machining, the larrykinglive of oud! > > >For some elite group of > >people who can appreciate it? I prefer to enjoy myself. > some of us make music -of varying *styles*- for more, ermmmm..... ephemeral > 'reasons' --- (i'm not sure that the word 'reason' applies, herein). > some of us are committed to music inna way that is, well, different than (but > can certainly be 'inclusive of') 'self-enjoyment'. > methinks that the depth of this kinda commitment requires that one be at > least a *little* bit impervious to folks' opinions, elite or otherwise --- of > course, that's not to imply that someone of this stripe wouldn't 'listen to' > other people's opinions (and/or, 'purchasing habits'), just that the root of > one's creative intentions might be the primary source of (self)-criticism. > > >If I come up > >with something great, hey, cool. If I don't, fuck it, I had fun. Usually > >I come up with something that a reasonably large group of people *also* > >considers fun. > should music be fun? yeah, some of it should..... but not all of it, & not > all the time. > best, > dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 12:52:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07373; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 12:51:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 12:51:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.6 Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 12:55:00 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "What's really getting boring is THIS DAMNED THREAD." DLM Amen Brother!!!!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 13:01:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09301; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 12:59:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 12:59:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 09:56:31 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: (OT) public/bunch/brain dead/lemmings In-reply-to: <3B7E9B46.9774452F@zerocrossing.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <105.7f7e0a1.28afc739@aol.com> <3B7E9B46.9774452F@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:43 AM -0700 8/18/01, Mark wrote: >Can my wife and I join your new band David? We're gonna be the Captain and >Tenille of ambient music! Wooo hooo! Funnily enough, my first "professional" gig was in a pickup band in 1965, with Daryl Dragon (later to become the Captain) on lead guitar. >It reminds me of the time Peter Gabriel told Laurie Anderson, "You >should try and make music that's more accessible to people." She >came out with the Strange Angles album. Now, I don't know how many >of you feel about that album, but I thought it was by FAR her worst >work. My favorite LA phase was the early work, including such songs and "Closed Circuit" and "Walk the Dog." The later material was too conventional. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 13:14:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10488; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 13:13:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 13:13:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 13:12:59 -0400 Subject: Re: Basic intro (OT) From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 8/18/01 12:21 PM, Tom Ritchford at tom@swirly.com wrote: >> What's really getting boring is THIS DAMNED THREAD. > > eh... it's the summer... you can always just delete it! Don't I know--my "delete" finger is getting a blister... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 13:20:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11038; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 13:19:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 13:19:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B7E9603.1E9DB712@sigecom.net> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 12:21:23 -0400 From: Scott Winzinger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: The first Repeater owner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Who will have the honor of submitting the first post on their new Repeater? Hope its me! Zing From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 14:01:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14557; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 13:59:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 13:59:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <11d.3427bbf.28b006dc@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 13:58:52 EDT Subject: Re: The first Repeater owner To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i like the repeater, a lot, both for what it does & for what it's capable of doing. for those of youse who can afford the double-investment: a combination of repeater w/an EDP is a deadly pairing, for spontaneous looping! i've used it on 3 filmscores, thus far, all TBR: simone / searching for paradise / the bourne identity, and 3 recordings, all TBR: donna lewis vs. splattercell / tim berne, craig taborn et moi / new splattercell, and i'll be using it in the studio w/david bowie, nxt wk. as i've already posted, i'm employing both the front-panel ctrls and a peavey pc1600. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 14:01:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14637; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 14:00:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 14:00:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 13:58:49 -0400 Subject: Re: Why I make music From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200108181701.NAA09527@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3080987929_2002234_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <3Jtb4B.A.3jD.R0qf7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3080987929_2002234_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Have been following the "Basic intro-sampling debate-why and for whom I write music" thread -- don't find it boring at all, and thought I'd throw my two cents in. I write and play music for: money; getting in touch with my spirit; impressing other people and compulsively proving my self-worth due to faulty early neurotic programming; inspiring others; connecting with others; the joy of creating something new. And perhaps other unconscious reasons, too. My money gig right now is scoring a Nickelodeon children's cartoon. I feel lucky to have this job -- it allows me to live in NY, take only the other work I want to take, and gives me free time to work on my own artistic projects. I also enjoy the interchange with the people at the network -- I enjoy the critiques from non-musicians, because they often see the forest, not the trees. "Hey, that sounds too scary -- it's scaring the kids!" It brings me back to the way my music is heard by non-musicians, and keeps me from getting to lost in the "wow, what a cool ring-modulated effect on the conga" thought train. Of course, sometimes it's a pain in the butt too -- I got into looping last April or so -- I had been producing CD's of original music on the computer, but really didn't enjoy the mostly left-brain computer process of detail-oriented work. Looping gave me the possibility of improvising, of getting a flow going that I find really magical and a great balance to my other work. Putting that together with vocal studies of Indian raga (which I dabble at, wish I had more time and discipline) has given me a musical framework that is bringing something very different into my musical life. I was inspired by Matthias Grob's early posts and notes about the EDP, and have been using looping to explore flowing right-brain states of consciousness that I don't ordinarily get to -- sometimes I create a loop to balance out my current psycho-physiological state (I usually know when I hit it), and literally go to bed with it -- I have speakers in my bed and wear a headset mike, so I can sing to myself in bed. This is music as healing, I guess, or a kind of yoga. I've also been doing live performances where I combine loop-improvisation with songs and spoken word -- this is fun, and scary, and rewarding in that I seem to be creating something that is uplifting and inspiring a lot of people who hear it. I both do and do not trust a roomful of "stupid people" -- it's often easy to get a big response by playing a mediocre set, if it's tuneful and rhythmic enough, for an unsophisticated audience. What I enjoy is doing something that is meaningful to me -- which may sometimes be rhythmic and tuneful and other times be atonal and "weird" -- and touching my listeners. When absolutely nobody in the room is being touched, I think something is off. I guess my bugaboo is the critical head -- I don't think much of "advancing the art", of the constant modern necessity for originality. I like whatever touches me at the moment -- and it could be Ligeti, or raga, or the Backstreet Boys. I much prefer music that --MS_Mac_OE_3080987929_2002234_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Why I make music Have been following the "Basic intro-sampling debate-wh= y and for whom I write music" thread -- don't find it boring at all, an= d thought I'd throw my two cents in.
I write and play music for:  money; getting in touch with my spirit; i= mpressing other people and compulsively proving my self-worth due to faulty = early neurotic programming; inspiring others; connecting with others; the jo= y of creating something new.  And perhaps other unconscious reasons, to= o.
My money gig right now is scoring a Nickelodeon children's cartoon.  I= feel lucky to have this job -- it allows me to live in NY, take only the ot= her work I want to take, and gives me free time to work on my own artistic p= rojects.  I also enjoy the interchange with the people at the network -= - I enjoy the critiques from non-musicians, because they often see the fores= t, not the trees.  "Hey, that sounds too scary -- it's scaring the= kids!"  It brings me back to the way my music is heard by non-mus= icians, and keeps me from getting to lost in the "wow, what a cool ring= -modulated effect on the conga" thought train.
Of course, sometimes it's a pain in the butt too --
I got into looping last April or so -- I had been producing CD's of origina= l music on the computer, but really didn't enjoy the mostly left-brain compu= ter process of detail-oriented work.  Looping gave me the possibility o= f improvising, of getting a flow going that I find really magical and a grea= t balance to my other work.  Putting that together with vocal studies o= f Indian raga (which I dabble at, wish I had more time and discipline) has g= iven me a musical framework that is bringing something very different into m= y musical life.  I was inspired by Matthias Grob's early posts and note= s about the EDP, and have been using looping to explore flowing right-brain = states of consciousness that I don't ordinarily get to -- sometimes I create= a loop to balance out my current psycho-physiological state (I usually know= when I hit it), and literally go to bed with it -- I have speakers in my be= d and wear a headset mike, so I can sing to myself in bed.  This is mus= ic as healing, I guess, or a kind of yoga.  
I've also been doing live performances where I combine loop-improvisation w= ith songs and spoken word -- this is fun, and scary, and rewarding in that I= seem to be creating something that is uplifting and inspiring a lot of peop= le who hear it.
I both do and do not trust a roomful of "stupid people" -- it's o= ften easy to get a big response by playing a mediocre set, if it's tuneful a= nd rhythmic enough, for an unsophisticated audience.  What I enjoy is d= oing something that is meaningful to me -- which may sometimes be rhythmic a= nd tuneful and other times be atonal and "weird" -- and touching m= y listeners.  When absolutely nobody in the room is being touched, I th= ink something is off.  
I guess my bugaboo is the critical head -- I don't think much of "adva= ncing the art", of the constant modern necessity for originality.  = ;I like whatever touches me at the moment -- and it could be Ligeti, or raga= , or the Backstreet Boys.
I much prefer music that

--MS_Mac_OE_3080987929_2002234_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 14:10:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15800; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 14:09:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 14:09:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B7EAEB1.EB0E5FF2@altruistmusic.com> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 11:06:41 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: (OT) public/bunch/brain dead/lemmings References: <105.7f7e0a1.28afc739@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > i can see it, now: > the george w. bush of > effects-routing, God, what would THAT patchbay look like...!?! --A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 14:58:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18933; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 14:56:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 14:56:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B7EBBB1.E097263B@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 12:14:43 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: (OT) laurie anderson? References: <105.7f7e0a1.28afc739@aol.com> <3B7E9B46.9774452F@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark wrote: > Can my wife and I join your new band David? We're gonna be the Captain and > Tenille of ambient music! Wooo hooo! > > It reminds me of the time Peter Gabriel told Laurie Anderson, "You should try and > make music that's more accessible to people." She came out with the Strange > Angles album. Now, I don't know how many of you feel about that album, but I > thought it was by FAR her worst work. I thought that even before I heard it was > made based on Peter's recommendation. Years later she recorded Tightrope/Bright > Red, and I was blown away. > > As my friend Bill used to say, "To thine own self be true." > > Mark "The Captain" Sottilaro > hm, i may be treading on thin ice, since i recall you used to play w/ ms. a. & you probably have pretty strong opinions about her stuff, but think just the opposite re tightrope/bright red and strange angels...t/br sits collecting dust, while i do manage to put strange angels on every once in a while. i think its got several gems on it- i never felt like it was a clumsy attempt at reaching a wider audience- it for once seemed to contain a little soul compared to most of her other stuff... lance g. ps give my regards to tenille From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 14:59:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19153; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 14:58:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 14:58:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B7EBC11.4A29AF1D@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 12:16:20 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Basic into (TO) References: <3.0.5.32.20010816230412.007dba50@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010815194508.007db9a0@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010813234410.007e4850@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010813234410.007e4850@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010814201806.007d1e30@pop.ici.net> <7mmjntkdhp0v73ipps54uh3fp487h4hejt@4ax.com> <3.0.5.32.20010815194508.007db9a0@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010816230412.007dba50@pop.ici.net> <3.0.5.32.20010818001013.007e3d40@pop.ici.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim Nelson wrote: > Lance typed regarding an unattributed piano sample on the Sneaker Pimps' > 'Becoming X'...: > > >geez tim! > > >i've been listening to this dang thing all morning. give us a hint, okay? > :-) > > >lance g. (aka tired ears) > > It's four chords of Sandy Denny. I forget what song, maybe 'Late > November'... I thought as a Nick Drake fan you'd get that one, Lance! > > -t i'm so lame! :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 15:25:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25716; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 15:24:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 15:24:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B7EC11C.B3FB596B@pathcom.com> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 15:25:16 -0400 From: hutton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Why I make music References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------EA39B9CA3C29EA3A1BAB4F3B" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------EA39B9CA3C29EA3A1BAB4F3B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is not boring ....... I like the positive approach and presentation of grows in your ideas! Steve Sandberg wrote: > Have been following the "Basic intro-sampling debate-why and for whom > I write music" thread -- don't find it boring at all, and thought I'd > throw my two cents in. > I write and play music for: money; getting in touch with my spirit; > impressing other people and compulsively proving my self-worth due to > faulty early neurotic programming; inspiring others; connecting with > others; the joy of creating something new. And perhaps other > unconscious reasons, too. > My money gig right now is scoring a Nickelodeon children's cartoon. I > feel lucky to have this job -- it allows me to live in NY, take only > the other work I want to take, and gives me free time to work on my > own artistic projects. I also enjoy the interchange with the people > at the network -- I enjoy the critiques from non-musicians, because > they often see the forest, not the trees. "Hey, that sounds too scary > -- it's scaring the kids!" It brings me back to the way my music is > heard by non-musicians, and keeps me from getting to lost in the "wow, > what a cool ring-modulated effect on the conga" thought train. > Of course, sometimes it's a pain in the butt too -- > I got into looping last April or so -- I had been producing CD's of > original music on the computer, but really didn't enjoy the mostly > left-brain computer process of detail-oriented work. Looping gave me > the possibility of improvising, of getting a flow going that I find > really magical and a great balance to my other work. Putting that > together with vocal studies of Indian raga (which I dabble at, wish I > had more time and discipline) has given me a musical framework that is > bringing something very different into my musical life. I was > inspired by Matthias Grob's early posts and notes about the EDP, and > have been using looping to explore flowing right-brain states of > consciousness that I don't ordinarily get to -- sometimes I create a > loop to balance out my current psycho-physiological state (I usually > know when I hit it), and literally go to bed with it -- I have > speakers in my bed and wear a headset mike, so I can sing to myself in > bed. This is music as healing, I guess, or a kind of yoga. > I've also been doing live performances where I combine > loop-improvisation with songs and spoken word -- this is fun, and > scary, and rewarding in that I seem to be creating something that is > uplifting and inspiring a lot of people who hear it. > I both do and do not trust a roomful of "stupid people" -- it's often > easy to get a big response by playing a mediocre set, if it's tuneful > and rhythmic enough, for an unsophisticated audience. What I enjoy is > doing something that is meaningful to me -- which may sometimes be > rhythmic and tuneful and other times be atonal and "weird" -- and > touching my listeners. When absolutely nobody in the room is being > touched, I think something is off. > I guess my bugaboo is the critical head -- I don't think much of > "advancing the art", of the constant modern necessity for > originality. I like whatever touches me at the moment -- and it could > be Ligeti, or raga, or the Backstreet Boys. > I much prefer music that > --------------EA39B9CA3C29EA3A1BAB4F3B Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is not boring ....... I like the positive approach and presentation of grows in your ideas!

Steve Sandberg wrote:

Have been following the "Basic intro-sampling debate-why and for whom I write music" thread -- don't find it boring at all, and thought I'd throw my two cents in.
I write and play music for:  money; getting in touch with my spirit; impressing other people and compulsively proving my self-worth due to faulty early neurotic programming; inspiring others; connecting with others; the joy of creating something new.  And perhaps other unconscious reasons, too.
My money gig right now is scoring a Nickelodeon children's cartoon.  I feel lucky to have this job -- it allows me to live in NY, take only the other work I want to take, and gives me free time to work on my own artistic projects.  I also enjoy the interchange with the people at the network -- I enjoy the critiques from non-musicians, because they often see the forest, not the trees.  "Hey, that sounds too scary -- it's scaring the kids!"  It brings me back to the way my music is heard by non-musicians, and keeps me from getting to lost in the "wow, what a cool ring-modulated effect on the conga" thought train.
Of course, sometimes it's a pain in the butt too --
I got into looping last April or so -- I had been producing CD's of original music on the computer, but really didn't enjoy the mostly left-brain computer process of detail-oriented work.  Looping gave me the possibility of improvising, of getting a flow going that I find really magical and a great balance to my other work.  Putting that together with vocal studies of Indian raga (which I dabble at, wish I had more time and discipline) has given me a musical framework that is bringing something very different into my musical life.  I was inspired by Matthias Grob's early posts and notes about the EDP, and have been using looping to explore flowing right-brain states of consciousness that I don't ordinarily get to -- sometimes I create a loop to balance out my current psycho-physiological state (I usually know when I hit it), and literally go to bed with it -- I have speakers in my bed and wear a headset mike, so I can sing to myself in bed.  This is music as healing, I guess, or a kind of yoga.
I've also been doing live performances where I combine loop-improvisation with songs and spoken word -- this is fun, and scary, and rewarding in that I seem to be creating something that is uplifting and inspiring a lot of people who hear it.
I both do and do not trust a roomful of "stupid people" -- it's often easy to get a big response by playing a mediocre set, if it's tuneful and rhythmic enough, for an unsophisticated audience.  What I enjoy is doing something that is meaningful to me -- which may sometimes be rhythmic and tuneful and other times be atonal and "weird" -- and touching my listeners.  When absolutely nobody in the room is being touched, I think something is off.
I guess my bugaboo is the critical head -- I don't think much of "advancing the art", of the constant modern necessity for originality.  I like whatever touches me at the moment -- and it could be Ligeti, or raga, or the Backstreet Boys.
I much prefer music that
 
--------------EA39B9CA3C29EA3A1BAB4F3B-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 17:12:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00835; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 17:11:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 17:11:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [152.163.197.66] From: "Scott Anderson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Cottage Cheese, Hedewa, Rolling Stones, First Looper Reminiscence Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 21:10:03 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Aug 2001 21:10:04.0224 (UTC) FILETIME=[26784C00:01C1282A] Resent-Message-ID: <0fkrB.A.FM.Lntf7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [Stephen P. Goodman] While it's true that many folks could have cottage cheese between their ears and you wouldn't know the difference... mmm, cottage cheese. ...wouldn't know the difference between the taste of eating cottage cheese and eating brain? Hedewa7, is hedewa from a Tibetan Buddhist word for a loud sudden, startling sound made by a lama in the middle of people's meditation? In relatedly, Buddhist/sound subject matter, this morning "I can't get no satisfaction" reminded me of the "First Noble Truth" of Buddhism. Have other people had that similarly non-transformative revelation? My first quasi-looper was my friend's Casio SK-1. The year was 1989. We were Disco Equilibrium. Scott _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 17:17:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01475; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 17:16:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 17:16:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c1282a$d6840bc0$b8ad5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #230 Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 17:14:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed with an equal spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #230 August 16, 2001. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Radio Massacre International (RMI), a group from the UK that embraces improvisational emusic even in the studio. The feature CD at midnight was the two CD set "Borrowed Atoms" released on the Centaur label. The first disc was featured. RMI http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2001/focus01.html#aug PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Paul Ellis Under the Waves, a Sky Into the Liquid Unknown of Water (Hypnos/Binary) Paul Ellis Slowly Rowing Through Into the Liquid Unknown Ghost Melodies (HypnosBinary) Tacit Blue Earthrise Dreamland (none) Telomere Awakening Zoetosis (Evenfall) Victor Cerullo Above the Clouds Loneflyer (Groove) Victor Cerullo Collision Loneflyer (Groove) vidnaObmana Aqua 5 Soundtrack for the Aquarium (Hypnos) Liquid Mind Serenity Liquid Mind V: Serenity (Chuck Wild Records) 12:00 am RMI Plastered in Paris Borrowed Atoms (Centaur) RMI Rite of Spring Borrowed Atoms (Centaur) RMI Borrowed Atoms Borrowed Atoms (Centaur) RMI Horizon * Borrowed Atoms (Centaur) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Radio Massacre International. The feature CD at midnight will be "Frozen North" on the Centaur label. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, send email to: emusic-wdiy-subscribe@yahoogroups.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 17:20:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01944; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 17:19:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 17:19:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@fixme User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 14:15:33 -0700 Subject: Re: MIDI live looping From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200108181701.NAA09525@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was looking for something that did this a year or so ago, and there was mention of something old by Akai that acted like a digital delay, except it recorded midi events. I seem to remember that they went for $50-100 used. it was a 1U sized device. TH >Are there any people of experience with a simple MIDI "looping device" - I >know, I know, it's called a sequencer - but most sequencers I've seen don't >lend themselves well to a live loop-playing style I'd like to perpetuate: >hands on the instrument (guitar, in my case) and feet on the pedals, traps, >buttons & twiddly knobs. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 21:41:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16974; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 21:37:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 21:37:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010818180744.00cd8a30@crash.cts.com> X-Sender: harvey@crash.cts.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 18:07:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Harvey Starr Subject: Re: Cottage Cheese, Hedewa, Rolling Stones, First Looper Reminiscence In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:10 PM 8/18/01, you wrote: >[Stephen P. Goodman] >While it's true that many folks could have cottage cheese between their ears >and you wouldn't know the difference... > > mmm, cottage cheese. ...wouldn't know the difference between the taste of >eating cottage cheese and eating brain? > Hedewa7, is hedewa from a Tibetan Buddhist word for a loud sudden, >startling sound made by a lama in the middle of people's meditation? > In relatedly, Buddhist/sound subject matter, this morning "I can't get no >satisfaction" reminded me of the "First Noble Truth" of Buddhism. Have >other people had that similarly non-transformative revelation? yes, now that you mention it. > My first quasi-looper was my friend's Casio SK-1. The year was 1989. We >were Disco Equilibrium. >Scott > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > http://www.starrlabs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 23:57:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24520; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 23:55:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 23:55:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B7F3825.96AABBAD@altruistmusic.com> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 20:53:08 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP as Sampler References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <06KRAD.A.s-F.yhzf7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Gary, Wanted to ask a question: Were you ever able to get in touch with Tony Moore, in terms of picking up the chairs you left at his studio at the LA loop gig? I ask because I've been trying to get in touch with him for a couple of weeks with regards to getting a copy of my performance from the gig, but I haven't heard back from him yet. I'm wondering if maybe there's a problem at the Moore household, or something... If you could drop me a note and fill me in, I'd appreciate it. Many thanks, and I hope you're doing well. --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 23:58:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24714; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 23:56:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 23:56:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B7F388B.EF037763@altruistmusic.com> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 20:54:50 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP as Sampler (oooooops) References: <3B7F3825.96AABBAD@altruistmusic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ahem... That last bit was supposed to be private for Gary, obviously. Apologies to all... --A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 00:17:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27408; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 00:14:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 00:14:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: (OT) Copyright in a Sampled World... Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 21:19:04 -0700 Organization: Darklock Communications Message-ID: References: <146.1cea82.28afdcbe@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <146.1cea82.28afdcbe@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sat, 18 Aug 2001 10:59:10 EDT, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >whats interesting to me is the fact that i work at sounding "gooder" >more than i work at becoming more "talented".....huh?.....:) One of the things I've noticed is that as I become more "talented" in various areas, I think less in terms of what I *want* and more in terms of what I can *do*. I think the work ultimately suffers for that, and therefore I try to identify that tendency when it arises and work against it. Has anyone else noticed a similar tendency? >p.s. perhaps a dumb question: why do many of you "loop" old posts into your >post i.e. i have the same, oft times "long" posts pop up several times in a >row verbatim.....my memory is not that bad yet I try to edit out what isn't relevant to the response, myself. Some people don't seem to bother. I'm not sure why. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 03:21:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA05218; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 03:18:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 03:18:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B7F67CE.D62B0D43@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 00:16:30 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: SF Gig alert References: <3.0.6.32.20010818180744.00cd8a30@crash.cts.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, It's not me, but a few of my pals. Last time I saw them perform, they took a metronome, put a contact mic on it and ran it through a couple of laptops and Korg Kaoss pads. (that part was only 15 min), but it sure was good. In another piece, they did a sound collage using only samples from the Spiderman cartoon. Sweet. http://sessions.laughingsquid.org/ for more details. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 09:19:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24033; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 09:18:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 09:18:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 09:16:40 EDT Subject: Re: Cottage Cheese, Hedewa, Rolling Stones, First Looper Reminiscence To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com scott_c_anderson@hotmail.com writes: >Hedewa7, is hedewa from a Tibetan Buddhist word for a loud sudden, >startling sound made by a lama in the middle of people's meditation? yup. or, it describes any circumstance of being 'shocked open'. (and it's title of the first track on 'splattercell:::oah'). >In relatedly, Buddhist/sound subject matter, this morning "I can't get >no satisfaction" reminded me of the "First Noble Truth" of Buddhism. Have >other people had that similarly non-transformative revelation? i guess we all interpret pop-song lyrics through our own view(s), eh? > My first quasi-looper was my friend's Casio SK-1. The year was 1989. my first looper was either an mxr 1-second delay, or a lexicon primetime(?); the year was..... hmmm..... don't remember..... 1974/5/6? eeeeaaaaagh. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 12:21:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02317; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 12:20:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 12:20:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B7FE6C9.C4F07336@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 09:18:17 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: First Looper Reminiscence References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ah my first looper was some analog Ibanez pedal that I duct taped to my guitar so I could screw with the knobs. Probably around 1980 or so. The first time I used it live was at a highschool battle of the bands! We were totally boo'd, but afterwards kids from the other bands came over to see what the hell I was doing. Mark > > > My first quasi-looper was my friend's Casio SK-1. The year was 1989. > my first looper was either an mxr 1-second delay, or a lexicon primetime(?); > the year was..... hmmm..... don't remember..... 1974/5/6? eeeeaaaaagh. > best, > dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 12:35:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03222; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 12:34:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 12:34:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c128cc$8b1da5e0$0101a8c0@invisible> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <3B7FE6C9.C4F07336@zerocrossing.net> Subject: R: First Looper Reminiscence Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 18:32:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My first one was an old (late 70s - first half of the 80s) Eko analog delay (no tape), which had a maximum time of 800ms. Compared to my first delay line (the delay in the old korg a5 pedalboard (370ms) it seemed to me to be a wonderfully long time to mess with. Then I found a used korg a1 (after a pair of years). Boom - 2.6 secs of hold delay, and I could even join it to another pair of fx. My old band couldn't understand what I was playing and what I wasn't. The first time I played with them and the drummer stopped to break our nervous system to listen. Great...:-):-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 6:18 PM Subject: First Looper Reminiscence > ah my first looper was some analog Ibanez pedal that I duct taped to my guitar > so I could screw with the knobs. Probably around 1980 or so. The first time I > used it live was at a highschool battle of the bands! We were totally boo'd, > but afterwards kids from the other bands came over to see what the hell I was > doing. > > Mark > > > > > > > > My first quasi-looper was my friend's Casio SK-1. The year was 1989. > > my first looper was either an mxr 1-second delay, or a lexicon primetime(?); > > the year was..... hmmm..... don't remember..... 1974/5/6? eeeeaaaaagh. > > best, > > dt / s-c > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 12:58:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04896; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 12:57:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 12:57:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 10:01:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Please Kill "Basic intro (OT)" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >on 8/18/01 7:05 AM, PMimlitsch@aol.com at PMimlitsch@aol.com wrote: > >> >> In a message dated 8/17/01 8:11:40 PM, caliban@darklock.com writes: >> >> << using a single sample is just like using a >> single note (or a sine wave): it's boring. >> >> >> nothing is intrinsically "boring" - just people that are "bored" >> > >What's really getting boring is THIS DAMNED THREAD. > >DLM I'd like to second the esteemed Mr. Myers and ask all involved to take this conversation off the list. Suddenly the endless Repeater posts don't seem so bad... Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 12:59:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05258; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 12:58:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 12:58:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002c01c128ce$52dd66a0$0101a8c0@invisible> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: Subject: OT Austin Douglas Touch Guitars Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 18:45:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01C128DF.15739940" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C128DF.15739940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all. I just found through a guitar site the link to austin douglas = guitars. From the site they seem to be a cheap line of the Warr guitars. = Has anyone here ever tried one? Can you tell me something 'bout them? = I'm interested in one. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C128DF.15739940 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C128DF.15739940-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 13:27:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07872; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 13:26:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 13:26:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 13:18:39 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT Austin Douglas Touch Guitars In-Reply-To: <002c01c128ce$52dd66a0$0101a8c0@invisible> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sun, 19 Aug 2001, Luigi Meloni wrote: > Hi all. I just found through a guitar site the link to austin douglas > guitars. From the site they seem to be a cheap line of the Warr > guitars. Has anyone here ever tried one? Can you tell me something > 'bout them? I'm interested in one. Unlike the Warr line, the ADGs don't have the wonderfully shaped bodies nor the higher-end active electronics of their big brothers. They're meant to be more of a "production" instrument than the custom built nature of each Warr. That being said, they are fine instruments. Back when Mark started making the ADG line he was only building 10 string instruments. When I contacted him about getting a backup emergency instrument for my Warr 8 string, he built me the first 8 string ADG. -Adam ---- T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ http://mp3.com/darkaether/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 14:10:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11407; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 14:09:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 14:09:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <27.1a205b4a.28b15a98@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 14:08:24 EDT Subject: (OT) NYC (& environs) tornic GIGSPAM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <00B0gC.A.nxC.5CAg7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'll be improvising along with: robert creeley (poetry, MC), steve swallow (e-bass), david cast-T (winds/electronics), chris massey (drums) friday 8/24 knitting factory main space, leonard st, nyc: 8 & 10pm shows saturday 8/25 maverick concert series/poetry festival, maverick rd, woodstock, ny: 8pm i suspect there'll be a bit of a 'jazzlich' backdrop. i'll be looping various 'input' w/repeater, EDP, pcm42. for the moment, i believe that these are my only *confirmed* live performances in 2001. say hello, please, if yer present! more info on nyc loopfest, soon, methinks. best, david torn / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 14:56:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13533; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 14:55:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 14:55:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 14:54:34 EDT Subject: "Basic Intro" clarification To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 8/19/01 4:57:09 PM, landman@wco.com writes: << >on 8/18/01 7:05 AM, PMimlitsch@aol.com at PMimlitsch@aol.com wrote: > >> >> In a message dated 8/17/01 8:11:40 PM, caliban@darklock.com writes: >> >> << using a single sample is just like using a >> single note (or a sine wave): it's boring. >> >> >> nothing is intrinsically "boring" - just people that are "bored" >> Just to clarify, since people seem to be starting their "bored with "Basic Intro"" posts with my post. My response was not in reference to the "Basic Intro" thread as a whole, just to calaban's one quote that I referenced. I, for one, find calaban's posts, and the "Basic Intro" thread, informative, inciteful, and quite refreshing, especially in light of the recent whining/ bashing evidenced in the "Repeater" threads. Besides, if you find the "Basic Intro" thread "boring" you can always hit the ignore/ delete button. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 14:57:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13542; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 14:55:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 14:55:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 11:51:55 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: First Looper Reminiscence In-reply-to: <3B7FE6C9.C4F07336@zerocrossing.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <3B7FE6C9.C4F07336@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 1975, Santa Cruz, CA: Two TASCAM 4-track reel-to-reel decks with tape threaded between them. Outputs of second machine patched to four individual speaker channels. Sometimes these outputs were fed back to the first machine, sometimes not. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 15:16:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16350; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 15:15:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 15:15:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <41.fdc11a1.28b16a2b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 15:14:51 EDT Subject: Re: First Looper Reminiscence To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mid '60s - Creating, manipulating, long, drawn-out, evolving feedback textures w/ guitar, fuzz box, amp. First real(?) looper was Digitech's PDS1000 (whenever that came out). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 15:17:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16529; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 15:16:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 15:16:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Imberg" To: Subject: RE: First Looper Reminiscence Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 12:15:23 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It wasn't my looper but I was first introduced to the concept during a gear failure my friend experienced during an open rehearsal his band was having. He was a "Metal" guy who's band had opened for Metallica before they were a household name. My friend was employing an old Echoplex (tape delay). During a period of heavy headbanging, his EP malfunctioned, playing the same 1 second passage over and over. The band had to stop while my buddy tried desperately to correct the problem. He was playing through three Marshall stacks and the repeating passage was blaring for at least 5 minutes. He was too drunk and stupid to just shut off EP or turn off his amps. He did clear out everyone from the rehearsal hall (including his band mates). I, for one, thought it was kind of cool listening the degradation of the echo over the belligerent screaming of my drunken friend. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 15:32:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17833; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 15:30:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 15:30:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010819152719.007e9da0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 15:27:19 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: First Looper Reminiscence In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I started using an Akai GX-4000D as a delay in the mid/late 70's, then stumbled onto a way to use the 'sound-on-sound' feature in real time on a tape loop. After a couple of years I added a Realistic open reel so I could do the Fripp&Eno thang. Then analog delays in the early 80's, (stopped using the open reels around then), digital delays in the late 80's, MORE delays in the 90's, completely out of hand by 2001... -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 15:33:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18040; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 15:32:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 15:32:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: First Looper Reminiscence Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 12:27:20 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <41.fdc11a1.28b16a2b@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't know if this "counts" but to be honest, I would have to say mine was around 1983 or so, using my first midi sequencer Texture on the PC. What a revelation Midi was when it first came out, changing notes, lengths, timing velocities in real-time while the music played. I can forsee the way advanced loopers will work 10 (or less?) years from now: audio tracks parsed from the mix, with the ability to change individual notes while the music loops (change heard when cycle comes around). Maybe Echoplex and Repeater will merge features (or companies?) to deliver a future generation box? Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: PMimlitsch@aol.com [mailto:PMimlitsch@aol.com] > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 12:15 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: First Looper Reminiscence > > > Mid '60s - Creating, manipulating, long, drawn-out, evolving feedback > textures w/ guitar, fuzz box, amp. First real(?) looper was Digitech's > PDS1000 (whenever that came out). > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 16:13:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21482; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 16:12:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 16:12:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3B7FE6C9.C4F07336@zerocrossing.net> References: <3B7FE6C9.C4F07336@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 13:10:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: First Looper Reminiscence Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 1974 - Maestro Echoplex w/ sound on sound, with custom wound short tapes. Still nothing quite like reaching over and sliding the record head around. -C -- http://www.xfade.com/ | In theory, there's no difference between cbm@well.com | theory and practice. In practice, there is. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 17:53:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27397; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 17:52:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 17:52:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "Basic Intro" clarification Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 14:56:19 -0700 Organization: Darklock Communications Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sun, 19 Aug 2001 14:54:34 EDT, PMimlitsch@aol.com wrote: >My response was not in reference to the "Basic >Intro" thread as a whole, just to calaban's one quote that I referenced. I certainly didn't mean a single example to turn into a huge war over what constitutes "music" and what constitutes "original" and what constitutes "art". Those terms are purely subjective. It's well past the time we should "agree to disagree" on some of the core arguments, and I'm trying to let the thread die a reasonably quiet death at this point. We're not getting anywhere with it anymore. >inciteful, Quite an amusing Freudian slip. Maybe you meant "insightful", but then again... ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 18:03:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29012; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 18:01:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 18:01:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8037C5.C7F5D8C3@tapehissrecordings.com> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 18:03:49 -0400 From: Scott Carr Organization: Tapehiss Recordings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD BA45DSL (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: First Looper Reminiscence References: <3.0.5.32.20010819152719.007e9da0@pop.ici.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I picked up one of those endless cassette answering machine tapes in the mid 80's and then a Casio SK-5 a few years later. I guess I started using loops fairly often around 1986 or so. Scott -- ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% Visit the the home of Hebephrenic, The Hot Buttered Elves, & Sunshine http://www.tapehissrecordings.com and our sites at the worlds largest online cut-out bin http://mp3.com/hotbutteredelves http://mp3.com/hebephrenica http://mp3.com/sunshineallthetime ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 18:17:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30369; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 18:16:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 18:16:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 15:15:39 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: anything good in LA next week?/ became gig announces + In-reply-to: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB66F@migarexch01.maritz.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB66F@migarexch01.maritz.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:34 PM -0400 8/9/01, Liebig, Steuart A. wrote: >Thursday, Aug 16 (NO LOOPING BUT THESE GUYS KILL) >Mark Dresser/Vinny Golia Duo >Mark Dresser: Contrabass >Vinny Golia: Woodwinds >Alterknit Lounge, >Knitting Factory LA Did anyone else make it to this gig? It was excellent! Both performers are monsters, and they play together with a sensitivity born of logn association. I knew Mark at school in San Diego, but I haven't heard him play live since the early '80s. He was amazing even then. In addition to a great musical ear and composerly imagination, he is physically incredibly strong. When the music calls for it he is able to pummel his instrument to the brink of self-destruction, but he does so with absolute control and nuance. He also plays with great emotoinal range and a depth of good humor. Mark was only beginning to develop as a composer when last I saw him (1984 in Rome, I think) but this has become a primary musical focus over the years. He's working on a major project with trumpeter/composer/maniac Ed Harkins from UCSD, and he has a long list of commissions in the works. A small technical note: Mark uses an amplification system on his bass that combines signals from two mics mounted on the instrument. One is in the usual place between the bridge and F-holes; the other is at the nut and its level can be controlled by a pedal. This allows pickup of sound from both segments of a stopped string, as well as picking up string rattle and other anciallary sounds as needed. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 20:33:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05919; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 20:32:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 20:32:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 19:41:45 -0500 From: Mike Subject: Re: OT Austin Douglas Touch Guitars To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3B805CC9.9879AEDD@swbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <002c01c128ce$52dd66a0$0101a8c0@invisible> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just ordered mine-mahogany body with wenge fingerboard, passive electronics. I was back and forth between the Austin Douglas and a Chapman Stick but the ADG looked cooler (good reason, huh?) I should be getting it in early November. On the Stick-wire list, I put out a question of what was better and the replies came back 50-50. It is a leap of faith on my part, never having even seen either a Warr or ADG but Warr has a good rep so I went with them. I'll be posting when I get it and let everyone know how it sounds thru my Boomerangs, rack gear, etc. Mike Killian in St. Louie > Luigi Meloni wrote: > > Hi all. I just found through a guitar site the link to austin douglas > guitars. From the site they seem to be a cheap line of the Warr > guitars. Has anyone here ever tried one? Can you tell me something > 'bout them? I'm interested in one. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 20:47:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07080; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 20:46:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 20:46:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 17:51:00 -0700 Subject: Re: First Looper Reminiscence From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3B8037C5.C7F5D8C3@tapehissrecordings.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 1985. A Digitech rackmount delay with about 5 seconds of looping time on it. (The RDS 3600 maybe?) I mostly used it for ambient stuff using a Roland GR-500. It flaked on me during the summer of 1986 though I've still got it buried in my crawlspace somewhere. I could sort of loop with the Boss half-rack RSD-10 but I probably got more use out of my Boss RDD-10 as a well-spec'd but short (500ms) digital delay. (The RDD-10 can be cranked up to the point where it overdrives and generates a wall of noise if you crank the feedback high enough.) I had a Roland rackmount 5 second delay for a while in the early 1990's. My real return to looping, however, came with my purchase of an EDP in 1998. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 22:39:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA13706; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 22:37:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 22:37:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@fixme User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 19:36:55 -0700 Subject: Gig spam [Seattle, WA]: Electrochakra @ the Mars Bar 8/22 9PM From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Electrochakra will be performing at the newly expanded Mars Bar (609 Eastlake Ave., a few blocks north of REI) this Wednesday between 9PM and midnight. There is no cover charge. Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett Electrochakra -- Electrochakra website: http://www.electrochakra.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 22:53:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14651; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 22:52:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 22:52:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 19:56:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: First Looper Reminiscence Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The first machine I had with enough delay time to loop was a nice Korg tape echo, but the feedback would either fade away or turn to mush before I could do much layering. My first real looper was a Lexicon Prime Time II. I've forgotten exactly how much delay time it had, but I seem to remember that by halving the clock speed (and bandwidth) you could get 8 seconds or more of high quality looping, with lots of overdub potential. The PT 2 was a two tap delay with multi-waveform lfo modulation, envelope following, infinite hold and rather luxurious on board mixing facilities. One fun trick was to get a long ambient delay happening, then set one tap to a very short (3-10 ms) delay and quickly mix in some heavy feedback from that tap. Do this a few times and bask in wonderful, rolling, metallic clouds... I wish I still had that machine! Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 01:33:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA25065; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 01:32:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 01:32:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 22:32:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: First Looper Reminiscence Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com First looper was an Ibanez Analog delay pedal, bought in 1980. Used it on my ARP Axxe. Still have both of 'em. Then followed by a Digitech rackmount digital delay. 1 sec I think. Seemed miraculous that it could hold a loop forever without degrading like the analog delay (who would guess that 20 years later, we'd be making complex digital electronics to emulate that degradation?). From there through 2-sec and 8-sec stompboxes. Then to a Lex LXP-5/MRC combo (still got). Then JamMan. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 04:39:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA02726; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 04:34:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 04:34:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c12952$cf6f00a0$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: First Looper Reminiscence Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 09:33:26 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Resent-Message-ID: <7ZBHJ.A.Fq.itMg7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com SCENE OPENS TO THE "LOOP SALOON" AND "LC"S - LOOPING COWBOYS (AND A FEW LOOPING COWGIRLS) - DISTRIBUTED AROUND THE MAIN ROOM, DRINKING A VARIETY OF DRINKS. THERE IS A RAISED AREA LIT BY A SPOT, DESPITE THE ABSENCE OF ELECTRICITY IN THE ALLEGED TIME PERIOD PORTRAYED. THIS IS A CLUE TO PERHAPS THIS NOT TAKING PLACE ON THE "ORDINARY PLANE OF EXISTENCE." LC #35 STANDS UP, AND WALKS TO THE STAGE, TURNING TO THE REST. LC 35: Hi everybody, my name's Stephen... ALL: HI, STEVE! LC 35: In the beginning of my experiments with looping I attempted to build a unit derivated from Radio Shack's projects book that utilized "bucket brigade" chips. It was a dismal failure except as a reverb-delay unit, and inspired me to buy something for a change. I tried out an early Boss stomp box that sported 250ms delay (this was 1980) and a very high regeneration setting - but still wasn't enough to get a result even approximating Brian Eno's setup shown in Discreet Music. I finally found a beat-up Bell reel-to-reel at a garage sale for $10, and combined it with a noisy old 3M/Wollensak reel-to-reel - neither would properly work when setup vertically, and so they were on their backs. ALL: (groans of recognised and apparently well-known difficulty) LC 35: This caused the tape between them to catch at times, and so the process was Occasionally Self-Destructing By Act Of God. It also - if the tape didn't catch - produced a bizarre feedback effect sounding like a fingernails-on-the-blackboard sound, short but of course gradually increasing in volume. ALL: (more groans and "Mmm Hmm" sounds of recognition) LC 35: I only saved three pieces composed using this setup, and for a while gave up on the idea of this long-loop stuff altogether. Finally in 1992 I bought second-hand a Quadraverb, and the Digitech DDS "7.6 second Time Machine", which I'd lusted after for a time but could never afford before. ALL: (acknowledgements of "Ahh, yes.", "All right!" and "I remember those...") LC 35: It started the next phase of my recording experiments, involving a return to guitar-playing, but especially involving other people. We called the erstwhile grouping... ALL: (grumbles, mutterings of "He's getting erudite again," and "Keep the language simple!") LC 35: Uh, we called it "Stone Soup Project" and it persisted until my departure from Los Angeles a year ago this week. LC 2: Oh, Man! Leaving LA? What a drag! LC 3: Are you kidding me? You ever been there? LC 35: Anyway! Anyway... I kept doing my individual experiments in composition using loops, and by 1995 when the Internet popped into use, I started posting some of the results of experiments done where I recorded to hard disk through the sound card. A few years ago I got ahold of a Zoom 2100 - ALL: "Oh yeah.", "I remember that one" (and other affirmations of recognition) LC 35: - and before long found Looper's Delight - LC 23: Pass tha Lord! LC 22: An' Praise the Ammunition! LC 35: - Where before long I bought ANOTHER Zoom 2100 ALL: (more shouts of affirmation, and one "You go on, girl!" from the back, to which the crowd momentarily loses its focus) LC 35: ...from a fellow member of Looper's Delight! ALL: (more volume to the shouts, including a "Hey! *I'VE* got my own story to tell!") LC 35: Well, that's enough for me... (off-screen voice slightly shouts, "Yeah, we've heard THAT before!") And thanks! KIM IS BEHIND THE BAR AS USUAL. HE POURS A 16-YEAR-OLD ARDBEG INTO A SMALL GLASS, WITH A LARGER GLASS OF WATER ON THE SIDE. HE LOOKS AT LC 35 AS HE APPROACHES, DODGING BITS OF PAPER AND AN OCCASIONAL PEN. FADE OUT, AS LC 35'S HAND GRASPS THE WHISKEY GLASS. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Trenkel" To: Sent: 20 August 2001 06:32 AM Subject: Re: First Looper Reminiscence > First looper was an Ibanez Analog delay pedal, bought in 1980. Used > it on my ARP Axxe. Still have both of 'em. > > Then followed by a Digitech rackmount digital delay. 1 sec I think. > Seemed miraculous that it could hold a loop forever without degrading > like the analog delay (who would guess that 20 years later, we'd be > making complex digital electronics to emulate that degradation?). > From there through 2-sec and 8-sec stompboxes. Then to a Lex > LXP-5/MRC combo (still got). Then JamMan. > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music > http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org > Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit > "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" > -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 05:09:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA04950; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 05:07:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 05:07:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010820015543.00ae9ae8@annihilist.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 02:05:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Repeater page now available on Looper's Delight Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks- The Electrix Repeater information overload page is now available on the Looper's Delight website: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/repeater/repeater.html try not to hurt each other jumping over there. Also, USER REVIEWS ARE NEEDED!!! Be among the first three to do a (good) review of the fabled Repeater and win a free Looper's Delight t-shirt. (assuming there ever is one....) You will also attain vast fame and fortune by having your name prominently displayed on Looper's Delight. enjoy, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 05:13:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA05132; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 05:10:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 05:10:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c12957$e0946640$737ee383@eihms.surrey.ac.uk> Reply-To: "Michael P. Hughes, PhD" From: "Michael P. Hughes, PhD" To: Adam Levin , Loopers-Delight References: Subject: Re: OT Austin Douglas Touch Guitars Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 10:09:53 +0100 Organization: University of Surrey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Hi all. I just found through a guitar site the link to austin douglas > > guitars. From the site they seem to be a cheap line of the Warr > > guitars. Has anyone here ever tried one? Can you tell me something > > 'bout them? I'm interested in one. > > Unlike the Warr line, the ADGs don't have the wonderfully shaped bodies > nor the higher-end active electronics of their big brothers. They're meant > to be more of a "production" instrument than the custom built nature of > each Warr. .... though I still don't understand why "production" nneds to equal "ugly"; this is of course a matter of personal taste but I really don't like the ADG shape. Why he can't make something like the Warr but slab-sided (the way PRS are doing with the Santana) I don't know. Are ADGs actually made by MArk Warr or his son? I heard that was where the name came from, but don't know if that translates to who actually makes the things. Mike From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 06:56:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA11530; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 06:49:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 06:49:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List \(E-mail\)" Subject: Syncing tapped devices to MIDI clock Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 12:44:15 +0200 Message-ID: <000501c12965$b1e22c70$0301a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Looper brethren, does anyone know of a device, a simple way (other than doing it manually) or schematics for a device that can sync something with a "tap tempo" switch (like a Vortex) to an existing MIDI clock? The best thing would be a device with a MIDI in and one (or two or three or...) outputs with a corresponding hex switch to select division factors (i.e. to "tap the pedal" only each 4th beat). Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 10:19:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23707; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 10:15:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 10:15:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8129D8.AA4A7F86@cabq.gov> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 08:16:40 -0700 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater page now available on Looper's Delight References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010820015543.00ae9ae8@annihilist.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <88NFe.A.IyF.ptRg7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim Flint wrote: > > Be among the first three to do a (good) review of the fabled Repeater and > win a free Looper's Delight t-shirt. (assuming there ever is one....) Hey! We will be releasing the beta t-shirt soon... probably the first week of september... we promise. later, -jas LD T-Shirt Guy. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 12:55:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00617; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 12:52:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 12:52:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB70A@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: anything good in LA next week?/ became gig announces + Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 12:50:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C12998.28A98290" Resent-Message-ID: <5O98gB.A.qI.GAUg7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12998.28A98290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Did anyone else make it to this gig? It was excellent! ** nay - - wedding anniversary that night. my bass cab was supposed to be there, but mark and i didn't hook up. I knew Mark at school in San Diego, but I haven't heard him play live since the early '80s. He was amazing even then. In addition to a great musical ear and composerly imagination, he is physically incredibly strong. When the music calls for it he is able to pummel his instrument to the brink of self-destruction, but he does so with absolute control and nuance. He also plays with great emotoinal range and a depth of good humor. ** mark has been a total inspiration to me. most importantly in his absolute commitment to each note he plays. then if you get into his prodigious extended technique, fuggedaboutit. he says strings are made to be broken. Mark was only beginning to develop as a composer when last I saw him (1984 in Rome, I think) but this has become a primary musical focus over the years. He's working on a major project with trumpeter/composer/maniac Ed Harkins from UCSD, and he has a long list of commissions in the works. ** he has two really good cds on tzadik, one on soul note, three on knitting factory works, and one on cryptogramophone with another one on the way. A small technical note: Mark uses an amplification system on his bass that combines signals from two mics mounted on the instrument. One is in the usual place between the bridge and F-holes; the other is at the nut and its level can be controlled by a pedal. This allows pickup of sound from both segments of a stopped string, as well as picking up string rattle and other anciallary sounds as needed. ** the thing on the nut is called the giffus. he controls its signal with a volume pedal. (shameless plug ahead) mark and his giffus show up on my newest cd, "pomegranate," on cryptogramophone (cg109). his piece (as are the other three) is a quasi-concerto for improvising soloist and improvising back-up band. in fact, vinny golia (his partner for the concert richard was talking about) is also a featured soloist. of moderate looping content, nels cline is on the last piece on the cd and does some very nice loopage towards the end - - there's a very serendipitous moment of synchronicity between his looping cadenza and the entrance of a written line that totally leveled me when we first heard the playback. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12998.28A98290 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: anything good in LA next week?/ became gig announces = +

Did anyone else make it to this gig?  It was = excellent!

** nay - - wedding anniversary that night. my bass = cab was supposed to be there, but mark and i didn't hook up.


I knew Mark at school in San Diego, but I haven't = heard him play live
since the early '80s. He was amazing even then. In = addition to a
great musical ear and composerly imagination, he is = physically
incredibly strong. When the music calls for it he is = able to pummel
his instrument to the brink of self-destruction, but = he does so with
absolute control and nuance. He also plays with = great emotoinal range
and a depth of good humor.

** mark has been a total inspiration to me. most = importantly in his absolute commitment to each note he plays. then if = you get into his prodigious extended technique, fuggedaboutit. he says = strings are made to be broken.

Mark was only beginning to develop as a composer when = last I saw him
(1984 in Rome, I think) but this has become a = primary musical focus
over the years. He's working on a major project with =
trumpeter/composer/maniac Ed Harkins from UCSD, and = he has a long
list of commissions in the works.

**  he has two really good cds on tzadik, one on = soul note, three on knitting factory works, and one on cryptogramophone = with another one on the way.

A small technical note: Mark uses an amplification = system on his bass
that combines signals from two mics mounted on the = instrument. One is
in the usual place between the bridge and F-holes; = the other is at
the nut and its level can be controlled by a pedal. = This allows
pickup of sound from both segments of a stopped = string, as well as
picking up string rattle and other anciallary sounds = as needed.

**  the thing on the nut is called the giffus. = he controls its signal with a volume pedal.

(shameless plug ahead)

mark and his giffus show up on my newest cd, = "pomegranate," on cryptogramophone (cg109). his piece (as are = the other three) is a quasi-concerto for improvising soloist and = improvising back-up band. in fact, vinny golia (his partner for the = concert richard was talking about) is also a featured soloist. of = moderate looping content, nels cline is on the last piece on the cd and = does some very nice loopage towards the end - - there's a very = serendipitous moment of synchronicity between his looping cadenza and = the entrance of a written line that totally leveled me when we first = heard the playback.

stig



------_=_NextPart_001_01C12998.28A98290-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 13:26:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03485; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 13:23:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 13:23:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 13:15:58 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Re: OT Austin Douglas Touch Guitars In-Reply-To: <002f01c12957$e0946640$737ee383@eihms.surrey.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 20 Aug 2001, Michael P. Hughes, PhD wrote: > Are ADGs actually made by MArk Warr or his son? I heard that was where the > name came from, but don't know if that translates to who actually makes the > things. Austin Douglas is the name of Mark's infant son. -Adam ---- T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ http://mp3.com/darkaether/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 13:57:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05428; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 13:53:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 13:53:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010820175225.61026.qmail@web12008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 10:52:25 -0700 (PDT) From: philip raath Subject: hedewa To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200108200839.EAA03022@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com knowing the meaning of the title provides new shadows of imagination when listening. very cool. it does "shock one open". my friends and cats usually run in fear when i turn it on. take care, phil ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 14:09:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07321; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 14:05:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 14:05:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B815392.460@Hevanet.Com.> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 11:14:42 -0700 From: DaViD AuKeR X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: First Looper Reminiscence References: <200108200839.EAA03022@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Natural" looping?: Playing my flute in a tiled pedestrian tunnel under Barbur Blvd in Portland - great echo/sustain. Careful to stay at the windward end, so the smell of urine from tunnel visitors blew the other way! ~Dav From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 16:07:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15876; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 16:05:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 16:05:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3B815392.460@Hevanet.Com.> References: <200108200839.EAA03022@hemlock.violacea.com> <3B815392.460@Hevanet.Com.> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 13:03:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: RE: First Looper Reminiscence Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A shout out for tunnels in Portland! In 1974 my high-school music class stole into the tunnel which carries Forest Park runoff under the NW Thurman Street bridge. We hiked down the 6-foot diameter pipe a good quarter mile, and recorded a duet for flute and sewage. Didn't know for years it rhymes with newage. Actually, the water was pretty clean then, and the echo was wonderful; maybe a few notes are still reverberating. That same year, we threaded the tape across the room between a couple Sony TC-630's for the first time. I get all teary-eyed remembering those lovely silver lever switches which bent so easily, the SOS knob and the serious clunking solenoids inside: http://www.dantiques.com/tapedecks/24391.htm -Alex S. At 11:14 AM -0700 8/20/01, DaViD AuKeR wrote: >"Natural" looping?: Playing my flute in a tiled pedestrian tunnel under >Barbur Blvd in Portland - great echo/sustain. Careful to stay at the >windward end, so the smell of urine from tunnel visitors blew the other >way! > >~Dav From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 16:22:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16726; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 16:21:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 16:21:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200108202020.f7KKKam02847@chmls06.mediaone.net> Subject: RE: First Looper Reminiscence Date: Mon, 20 Aug 01 16:22:51 -0400 x-sender: jdurant@pop.ne.mediaone.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: jdurant To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmmm. 1982, ADA 1280 digital delay. Noisy. Very. A whoppping 1.28 seconds. But tremendous fun. My favorite experience was my first opportunity to inflic loopage upon unsuspecting listeners: during a rehearsal for Godspell, I began looping during the jam at the end of the 1st act. The band stopped on cue, but the loop continued with horrified looks of "what the hell is that?" on all the performers' faces. Such beautiful noise was running about that I had to keep it going for a while. I shoulda done it in the performances, but decided to play it safe... (I had previously tried to convince the director to start the show with the signer coming down through the audience singing "prepare ye the way of the lord" then banging a book on his forhead, in honor of Monty Python and the Holy Grail. He didn't find my suggestion amusing.) Prior to the ADA, I'd been having tons of fun with an old reel-to-reel (Docoder?), tape and chairs and pencils strategically placed around the room to keep the loop going. Jon Durant From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 16:28:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17204; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 16:27:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 16:27:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Sevan Takvoryan To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Versatility Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 16:10:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I am looking for a unit that will enable me to loop up 3 tracks or so of 20"+ (each track), but will allow me to stop just one while letting the others continue. The pedal that I currently have will just turn off all of the loops. It must also be able to be used with a guitar and amp. Is this a call for a Boomerang? Any suggestions? thanks! Sevan Sevan Takvoryan New Business Administrator SecureAlert, LLC (865) 694-2704 x3117 sevant@securealert.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 16:54:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18454; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 16:53:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 16:53:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3B7FE6C9.C4F07336@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 13:50:21 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: First Looper Reminiscence Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com RIchard, Do you remember in 1976 or 1977 when they were putting in the giant pipes down Portola Ave in Santa Cruz? Pretty cool natural flange-verb from that. -C At 11:51 AM -0700 8/19/01, Richard Zvonar wrote: >1975, Santa Cruz, CA: Two TASCAM 4-track reel-to-reel decks with >tape threaded between them. Outputs of second machine patched to >four individual speaker channels. Sometimes these outputs were fed >back to the first machine, sometimes not. -- _________________________________________________________ The optimist sees a glass half full... | Chris Muir The pessimist sees a glass half empty... | cbm@well.com The realist sees a glass twice as big as it needs to be. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 17:38:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21681; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 17:37:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 17:37:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 14:28:42 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: First Looper Reminiscence In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <3B7FE6C9.C4F07336@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:50 PM -0700 8/20/01, Chris Muir wrote: >RIchard, > >Do you remember in 1976 or 1977 when they were putting in the giant >pipes down Portola Ave in Santa Cruz? Pretty cool natural >flange-verb from that. I missed that one, but I heard about it from Beede an Kent Devereaux. Among their sonic adventures was the generation of the resonant frequency of the pipe, using the beat frequency from two oscillators, as I recall. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 17:48:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22191; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 17:47:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 17:47:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <12f.3490c7a.28b2df20@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 17:46:08 EDT Subject: (OT) Re: hedewa To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <7DFXqC.A.VaF.BVYg7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com phil, >knowing the meaning of the title provides new shadows >of imagination when listening. very cool. it does >"shock one open". my friends and cats usually run in >fear when i turn it on. ha! best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 18:02:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24023; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 18:01:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 18:01:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <015401c129c3$0431f930$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <200108200839.EAA03022@hemlock.violacea.com> <3B815392.460@Hevanet.Com.> Subject: Re: First Looper Reminiscence Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 16:56:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For me it was about mid 70's. I was a college student and found out I could check out A-V equipment on my student passport. I got a bunch of stuff, 3M Wollensacks (sp?), ugly, old reel-to-reels, etc. I had great fun looping a D3 Clavinet, Rhodes and Port-B. But only in the basement. There's something about using real tape that is sooo satisfying. It's like woodworking. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 18:53:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25733; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 18:39:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 18:39:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 23:41:00 +0100 Subject: Re: First Looper Reminiscence From: roberto To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200108202020.f7KKKam02847@chmls06.mediaone.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ... memory lane ... 1970 or 71, Milan musical instruments fair, with a friend, sat at a piano and started looping, four hands and two voices. When they dragged us away we went on looping with our voices using as source the (rather unkind) sentences the stand attendants were addressing to us... In the same years with one of the bands I was playing with we did a lot of live acoustic looping (violin, guitars, mandolin, percussions, flute, clarinet, oboe, harmonium, ethnic reeds and strings...) I still have several cassettes of it, more hiss than sound left on them. I wish I could recover some of that stuff. Has anybody had any experience in digitising and "cleaning-up" old recordings from tape? Any suggestions regarding a good software (Mac) for the purpose? Roberto ______________________________________________ Roberto Battista http://www.robat.scl.net http://www.robat.scl.net/lectures/index.shtm Tel. 0044 020 8449 1995 Mobile 0775 960 4344 ______________________________________________ http://www.rustyrobot.com independent on-line music distribution, the music you can't find elsewhere, hybrid, eclectic, world, looped, unusual... ______________________________________________ http://www.robat.scl.net/html/tibet/tibet.shtm an exciting project on technology applied to mobile education for developing countries and remote locations... ______________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 19:05:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27793; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 19:02:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 19:02:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: First Looper Reminiscence Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 18:59:18 -0500 Message-ID: <01c129d4$203f27e0$626a580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Great thread - I recall and have some early recordings (my preteens, 82?) I did recording onto tape, playing it back through my parent's stereo and playing against it, trying to get triads to stack funny while starting stopping and rewinding the stereo and recording the whole mess onto a boom box, its almost interesting to listen to :-) maybe a year or so later I bought a Scholz half rack sized delay and had great fun with same. BTW, it strikes me as I read all these reviews of early loopers that quite a few of those early tools are still around (EBay, et cetera), and only speaking for myself, I find that my desire to buy new(er) gear prevents me from checking out some old tools which may better suite what i'm trying to articulate that day, just thinking out loud, hmm maybe I should check out some of those older DeltaLabs,... best, PedrOOrdeP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 19:13:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28276; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 19:12:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 19:12:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B819921.BEF49FC2@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 16:11:29 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: First Looper Reminiscence References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you get Spark XL sound editor, it comes with a pretty sweet cleanup VST plug in. Mark roberto wrote: > ... memory lane ... 1970 or 71, Milan musical instruments fair, with a > friend, sat at a piano and started looping, four hands and two voices. When > they dragged us away we went on looping with our voices using as source the > (rather unkind) sentences the stand attendants were addressing to us... > In the same years with one of the bands I was playing with we did a lot of > live acoustic looping (violin, guitars, mandolin, percussions, flute, > clarinet, oboe, harmonium, ethnic reeds and strings...) > I still have several cassettes of it, more hiss than sound left on them. I > wish I could recover some of that stuff. Has anybody had any experience in > digitising and "cleaning-up" old recordings from tape? Any suggestions > regarding a good software (Mac) for the purpose? > > Roberto > > ______________________________________________ > Roberto Battista > http://www.robat.scl.net > http://www.robat.scl.net/lectures/index.shtm > Tel. 0044 020 8449 1995 > Mobile 0775 960 4344 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.rustyrobot.com > independent on-line music distribution, > the music you can't find elsewhere, > hybrid, eclectic, world, looped, unusual... > ______________________________________________ > http://www.robat.scl.net/html/tibet/tibet.shtm > an exciting project on technology applied to > mobile education for developing countries and > remote locations... > ______________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 19:53:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29937; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 19:50:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 19:50:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 16:49:37 -0700 To: From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: First Looper Reminiscence Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:41 PM +0100 8/20/01, roberto wrote: >I still have several cassettes of it, more hiss than sound left on them. I >wish I could recover some of that stuff. Has anybody had any experience in >digitising and "cleaning-up" old recordings from tape? Any suggestions >regarding a good software (Mac) for the purpose? Well, you could wait and see who wins this government contract and ask them what they use! http://www.eps.gov/spg/NARA/NAA/AC/NAMA-01-Q-0022/SynopsisP.html -Alex S. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 20:31:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA32737; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 20:28:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 20:28:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c129d8$30283260$5cdc1ad8@internet> From: "Gerry P" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010815111319.00aeb1a8@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Stereo EDP/footswich problem Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 20:28:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just wanted to thank Kim and Dennis for their responses. I did a factory reset on both machines and tried a different EFC-7 f./s cable - all is working again. Interesting enough, the original cable tests fine on my voltmeter. Many thanks again for your user suppport. Gerry "If you're going to do something tonight that you'll be sorry for tomorrow morning,....sleep late." -- Henny Youngman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 2:15 PM Subject: Re: Stereo EDP/footswich problem > also, you might want to check that you didn't leave it in delay mode or > something like that. (or just reset all the parameters to default to make > sure it is in a normal state.) > > or it could be the pedal or pedal jack jack has developed a short. that > would act like the Record button was permanently pushed. > > kim > > At 09:50 AM 8/15/2001, SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > > > It now seems that my EDP master WILL NOT come out of REC mode - the > > previous > > > slave works fine with the f/s. > >When I had a problem like this it > >was because I'd put the attached footswitch > >to one side, upside down. So some of the > >switches were permanently on. > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 23:37:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA10792; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 23:33:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 23:33:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: dgoat@quik.com Message-ID: <3B81D49B.E90926A5@quik.com> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 20:25:15 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: First Looper Reminiscence References: <3B7FE6C9.C4F07336@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Let's see, it would have to be the 2-sec boss pitch shifter/delay (which I still own) in 1985(?) After that, the digitech 7.6 sec rack delay (still in my studio rack), then 30 sec Jamman (also still in my studio rack), and currently, line6 delay modeler. I'll be picking up the boss unit later this year. Rev. D.G. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 00:43:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA14986; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 00:42:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 00:42:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01c129fb$026e55c0$cc004d0c@fart> From: "klem klemmingberg" To: References: <3B7FE6C9.C4F07336@zerocrossing.net> <3B81D49B.E90926A5@quik.com> Subject: field recorders Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 00:37:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com All the recent talk of crickets, frogs, and cicadas put me to wondering what folks use for their field recordings. I am actually looking currently for something portable & battery powered for recording ambiences, sound efx, etc., & am unsure of what to get. I like the sound of a Nagra III, but it's bulky & a bit pricey. There's one of those little Marantz mono cassette numbers at a nearby music store, but I don't know much about them. I'm hesitant about MD because of data compression, but I'd be interested to hear what MD users think about them. Thanks T om From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 00:45:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA15201; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 00:44:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 00:44:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 23:41:21 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200108210441.f7L4fKF19974@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Andy Soto Subject: computer question Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello everybody,I hav a question for anybody who is looping live via a computer, wich copmuter could be a good start (without buying the latest-state of the art machine) if I want to start using a computer for live looping? what processor should I use? wich kind of sound interfaces are you guys happy with? thanx, A. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 00:51:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA15563; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 00:50:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 00:50:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 23:47:15 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200108210447.f7L4lEF20960@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Andy Soto Subject: Re: field recorders Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id AAA15531 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com MD will sound a hell of a lot better than a casstette recorder, really, I use a Sony MZ-R70 MD recorder, pretty coll little blue device, mine even came with a USB PC link to transfer stuff from and to the MD, go check it out, I think you´ll find it useful... Andy At 12:37 a.m. 21/08/01 -0400, you wrote: >All the recent talk of crickets, frogs, and cicadas put me to wondering >what folks use for their field recordings. I am actually looking currently >for something portable & battery powered for recording ambiences, sound efx, >etc., & am unsure of what to get. >I like the sound of a Nagra III, but it's bulky & a bit pricey. >There's one of those little Marantz mono cassette numbers at a >nearby music store, but I don't know much about them. >I'm hesitant about MD because of data compression, but I'd be interested >to hear what MD users think about them. > > >Thanks >T om > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 01:02:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA17205; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 01:01:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 01:01:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.206.89.99] From: "Jon" To: References: <3B7FE6C9.C4F07336@zerocrossing.net> <3B81D49B.E90926A5@quik.com> <001d01c129fb$026e55c0$cc004d0c@fart> Subject: Re: field recorders Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 22:00:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Aug 2001 05:00:11.0460 (UTC) FILETIME=[281E7040:01C129FE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a portable Sony DAT I'd like to sell. 33-48 Khz recording. Used less than 10 hours for one project, sat in a box. Nice big LCD for night time recording too. Email me privately if your interested. Thanks, Jonathan El-Bizri ----- Original Message ----- From: "klem klemmingberg" To: Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 9:37 PM Subject: field recorders > All the recent talk of crickets, frogs, and cicadas put me to wondering > what folks use for their field recordings. I am actually looking currently > for something portable & battery powered for recording ambiences, sound efx, > etc., & am unsure of what to get. > I like the sound of a Nagra III, but it's bulky & a bit pricey. > There's one of those little Marantz mono cassette numbers at a > nearby music store, but I don't know much about them. > I'm hesitant about MD because of data compression, but I'd be interested > to hear what MD users think about them. > > > Thanks > T om > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 01:45:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA18876; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 01:43:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 01:43:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Versatility Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 01:48:21 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01082101482100.14476@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <6GiqEB.A.nmE.GUfg7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 20 Aug 2001, Sevan Takvoryan wrote: > ...Is this a call for a Boomerang? Any suggestions? To do this with a Boomerang, you'd need three such 'rangs with some sort of currently non-existent syncing mechanism So, no, this is sadly not a job for the 'rang unless you're willing to get a couple and really do some fiddling. T From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 01:58:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA19488; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 01:56:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 01:56:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: field recorders Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 02:01:07 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <200108210447.f7L4lEF20960@servidor.unam.mx> In-Reply-To: <200108210447.f7L4lEF20960@servidor.unam.mx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01082102010701.14476@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <3e1TKD.A.RwE.Egfg7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Andy Soto wrote: > MD will sound a hell of a lot better than a casstette recorder, really, I > use a Sony MZ-R70 MD recorder, pretty coll little blue device, mine even > came with a USB PC link to transfer stuff from and to the MD, go check it > out, I think you´ll find it useful... I have to agree 100% with this. I have the same unit (a Sony MZ-R700) and can't say enough great things about it. I haven't taken it out for field recording, but I do record my guitars & synths using it all the time and I love the results. I've been wanting to get a decent stereo mic for it and I expect that the quality of this item is what will make the difference between an ok field recording and a great sounding one. The recorder is transparent enough that if you can get a good signal to it it should treat it right. T From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 02:15:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA21606; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 02:14:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 02:14:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B81FBE9.212F1523@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 23:12:57 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: computer question References: <200108210441.f7L4fKF19974@servidor.unam.mx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <21bXqB.A.ORF.iwfg7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com can't get there with a cheap computer. Can't really get there with a good computer either... unless you put in a kick ass sound card. I could go into computer sound card latency, but I'll just say, there are timing problems. You're much better off getting a proprietary computing device like an Echoplex, Boomerang, Repeater (soon). Go to the loopers site and look on the tools page. Andy Soto wrote: > Hello everybody,I hav a question for anybody who is looping live via a > computer, wich copmuter could be a good start (without buying the > latest-state of the art machine) if I want to start using a computer for > live looping? what processor should I use? wich kind of sound interfaces are > you guys happy with? > > thanx, > > A. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 02:35:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA22576; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 02:34:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 02:34:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012901c12a0b$6bd03aa0$e542f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200108202313.TAA28386@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: OT: giant pipes down Portola Avenue in Santa Cruz and other natural reverbs Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 23:35:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com regarding Chris Muir's remeniscences of giant concrete pipes down Portola Ave in Santa Cruz, I remember them very well and wanted to let anybody know that there is a very, very cool and new reverberant space right on the Pacific Garden Mall that I just discovered. It is a long hallway that is chained off in the building that now houses the Oneill surf and clothing shop across from the new cinemas: you have to walk right up to the chain link fence and suddenly there is the most beautiful and very long reverb present: I have tried overtone singing, frame drumming and flute playing into this space. The magic of it is that from ten feet away you dont' even hear it......when you are right at the chain link fence it is completley mesmerizing. Here while back, I tried to get a found sound group going on the web and tried to get people interested in posting a list of natural and man made timbral phenomena that we audionauts could discover while travelling around the country.........I didn't get much interest at all, but I would like to propose this as an off topic thread: WHAT KICK ASS SONIC ANOMALIES DO YOU KNOW OF IN YOUR HOMETOWN........WHAT WIERD ASSED PIECE OF ARCHITECTURE OR SCULPTURES OR PLUMBING EXISTS TO BE STRUCK OR BLOWN ON OR OTHERWISE PUSHED INTO RESONANCE........ ..........there..........the challenge is out there (which I am sometimes, as well ;-) yours, loop.pool (aka, Rick Walker) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 02:37:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA22764; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 02:35:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 02:35:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.98.233] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: computer question Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 01:34:41 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Aug 2001 06:34:42.0448 (UTC) FILETIME=[5C4A8900:01C12A0B] Resent-Message-ID: <32fbaC.A.ciF.hEgg7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

Ok, live looping on a PC, eh ? I'd go with this configuration :

1 . Epox KL133M Socket A Motherboard w/Duron 800MHz CPU

     $119.99 from TigerDirect.com.

 

2 . 2 128 MB PC 133 SDRAM Chips

     $19.99 x 2 from TigerDirect.

 

3 . 1 Creative Labs Sound Blaster Live! MP3-5.1 Sound Card

       $99.99 from TigerDirect.

Now, this might be the most expensive thing for your PC, but the sound is pretty     good. Now if you want multi-track recording, good Midi sequencing, then go with a Layla, or high end card, but for a start, this is fine.  

 

4 . 1 Pine nVidia TnT2 M64 32 MB AGP Video Card.

     $46.99 from TigerDirect.

This is a good starter video card, with a set of decent drivers, that don’t conflict with   most setups.

 

5 . 1 Sony 8x4x32x Internal IDE CDRW

      $109.99.

 

6 .  1 Western Digital 40 GB ATA100 HDD with 8.9/7200 rpm/2 MB

      $129.99.

 

7 . 1 CG ATX-6016-G7 Mid Tower Case with 250 W PS Deep Blue on White.

     $39.99.

 

8 . 1 1.44 MB Floppy Disk Drive

     $17.99

 

9 . 1 IBM G78 17” 1280x1024 FST Monitor

     $99.61

 

10 . 1 IBM PS/2 2 Button Mouse

     $3.99

 

11 . 1 Sakar Yahoo! One Touch Keyboard

     $19.99

 

All components can be purchased from TigerDirect.Com. for a little over 700.00 bucks. Now if you have a keyboard, mouse monitor or any of the peripherals, then the cost goes down. If you don’t want the CD/RW, you can go with the regular CD ROM. But IMO, this is a good startup system, and of course, you will need an operating system. I’d go with Windows XP Home Edition when it comes out (I am using Windows XP Professional – I am a beta tester).

Then, you will have to decide which Looping app you want to use. For live performances, I'd go with PCDj, with the Numark DMC 1 Controller. This will enable you to pre-record your loops, then mix them up live.       

----Original Message Follows----

From: Andy Soto
Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: computer question
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 23:41:21 -0500 (CDT)
Hello everybody,I hav a question for anybody who is looping live via a
computer, wich copmuter could be a good start (without buying the
latest-state of the art machine) if I want to start using a computer for
live looping? what processor should I use? wich kind of sound interfaces are
you guys happy with?
thanx,
A.

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 03:04:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA24974; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 03:02:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 03:02:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003c01c12a0f$1fa0ea40$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <3B7FE6C9.C4F07336@zerocrossing.net> <3B81D49B.E90926A5@quik.com> <001d01c129fb$026e55c0$cc004d0c@fart> Subject: Re: field recorders Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 08:01:33 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Radio Shack Optimus Micro-36 microcassette recorder. Has surprised me on a few occasions with the clarity with which it picks up sounds as far away as 40ft, even in the presence of sea sounds. I got another one after the last one conked out - 6 years of solid notetaking use. $30. ----- Original Message ----- From: "klem klemmingberg" To: Sent: 21 August 2001 05:37 AM Subject: field recorders > All the recent talk of crickets, frogs, and cicadas put me to wondering > what folks use for their field recordings. I am actually looking currently > for something portable & battery powered for recording ambiences, sound efx, > etc., & am unsure of what to get. > I like the sound of a Nagra III, but it's bulky & a bit pricey. > There's one of those little Marantz mono cassette numbers at a > nearby music store, but I don't know much about them. > I'm hesitant about MD because of data compression, but I'd be interested > to hear what MD users think about them. > > > Thanks > T om > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 04:29:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA29429; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 04:27:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 04:27:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 04:26:50 EDT Subject: Re: EDP Stereo-sync +brilliant undocumented feature. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <39_6YC.A.rLH.uthg7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim wrote > brothersync > connection that is necessary for putting multiple echoplexes together like > this. It does two things, one is to synchronize the actual system clocks of > the different units to operate at the same frequency. That keeps them from > drifting over time. The second thing is to provide a precise indication of > when the Record button is pressed. Er, I disagree. I don't think the exact moment of the Record button being pressed is transmitted through Brothersync, at least not in a way that allows simultaneous start of record on 2 slaved EDPs. (It very obviously does signal the exact length of the loop, of course). I don't presume to know more about the EDP than one of it's designers, but I have 2 brand new perfect EDPs which behave as if there is a definate delay between the Master EDP starting to record, and the slave starting to record. I imagine that the 2 loop-start-points are at slightly different places, but that this doesn't matter because brother sync keeps the 2 loops together in that staggered relationship perfectly. i.e. Audio is recorded in sync, but record actually starts on the slave machine after it does on the master. Thus even if you restart the stereo loop, the MIDI delay remains constant and so the stereo image is preserved. If you hit reverse the stereo image is lost (out of sync by twice the MIDI delay) but returning to forward play resyncs perfectly, and this occurs even when Quantise=On. This is most noticeable if a mono signal is recorded on both EDPs. In practice, the only time I notice the difference in timing is when reversing a loop which has mono(on both machines) content. This produces a Haas effect on the reversed loop, which is quite pleasing, although this would be pehaps undesirable if you wanted to record and reverse a true stereo mix. I reckon that using MIDI to slave the controls of the 2 EDPs is always going to be tricky, because of the MIDI delay, however the system as it is works excellently. Brilliant undocumented feature:- Record a stereo-loop, go to the next loop and record 2 different length loops (totally unrelated times if you like), whenever you NextLoop back to your original stereo loop it comes out perfectly synced. This happens (mysteriously) when SwitchQuant=On, although when switching between 2 pairs of loops all having unrelated times the 2 EDPs will change loop (after NextLoop) at different times. Seems like I can connect 2 EDPs and they know whether or not they've got a synced loop waiting to run. (and that's amazing) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 05:55:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA01556; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 05:54:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 05:54:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 11:25:02 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Syncing tapped devices to MIDI clock Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Looper brethren, > >does anyone know of a device, a simple way (other than doing it manually) or >schematics for a device that can sync something with a "tap tempo" switch >(like a Vortex) to an existing MIDI clock? The best thing would be a device >with a MIDI in and one (or two or three or...) outputs with a corresponding >hex switch to select division factors (i.e. to "tap the pedal" only each 4th beat). the EDP does that :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 05:55:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA01562; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 05:54:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 05:54:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 11:53:44 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP Stereo-sync +brilliant undocumented feature. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Kim wrote >> brothersync >> connection that is necessary for putting multiple echoplexes together like > > this. It does two things, one is to synchronize the actual system clocks >> of the different units to operate at the same frequency. That keeps them > > from drifting over time. The second thing is to provide a >precise indication >> of when the Record button is pressed. Andy observes well: >Er, I disagree. I don't think the exact moment of the Record button being >pressed is transmitted through Brothersync, at least not in a way that allows >simultaneous start of record on 2 slaved EDPs. (It very obviously does signal >the exact length of the loop, of course). right, we pass the exact moment, but not as an order to the brother. In case of stereo connection, we use MIDI for the slaving, the ring with the loop start pulse is not used, the tip with the word clock is enough. (which does not mean you can use a mono cable that shorts the ring!) >I don't presume to know more about the EDP than one of it's designers, but I >have 2 brand new perfect EDPs which behave as if there is a definate delay >between the Master EDP starting to record, and the slave starting to record. correct: there is a delay of about 3ms through MIDI, which does not matter as long as its constant. >I imagine that the 2 loop-start-points are at slightly different places, but >that this doesn't matter because brother sync keeps the 2 loops together in >that staggered relationship perfectly. i.e. Audio is recorded in sync, but >record actually starts on the slave machine after it does on the master. >Thus even if you restart the stereo loop, the MIDI delay remains constant and >so the stereo image is preserved. >If you hit reverse the stereo image is lost (out of sync by twice the MIDI >delay) >but returning to forward play resyncs perfectly, and this occurs even when >Quantise=On. This is most noticeable if a mono signal is recorded on both >EDPs. Makes sense. I dont remember having noticed or discussed this... >In practice, the only time I notice the difference in timing is when >reversing a loop which has mono(on both machines) content. right, because the MIDI delay is doubled instead of compensated. >This produces a Haas effect on the >reversed loop, which is quite pleasing, although this would be pehaps >undesirable if you wanted to record and reverse a true stereo mix. true. Maybe so far noone complained because a little different orientation is somehow expected from a reversed signal? >I reckon that using MIDI to slave the controls of the 2 EDPs is always going >to be tricky, because of the MIDI delay, however the system as it is works >excellently. > >Brilliant undocumented feature:- >Record a stereo-loop, go to the next loop leaving the previous at the same point, so the are together when you come back... >and record 2 different length loops (totally unrelated times if you like), unrelated to the previous loop or between the two units? >whenever you NextLoop back to your original stereo loop it comes out >perfectly synced. because both units simultaneously jump back to where they left the previous loop >This happens (mysteriously) when SwitchQuant=On, although when >switching between 2 pairs of loops all having unrelated times the 2 >EDPs will change loop (after NextLoop) at different times. now this is mysterious really: With different loop times on the two units they dont switch simultaneously when quantized... or do they because they quantize to the brother sync instead of the internal loop start? Do they jump together, although one is not at loop end? If so, this feature may have gone in the new version... maybe we should dig it out? >Seems like I can connect 2 EDPs and they know whether or not they've got a >synced loop waiting to run. (and that's amazing) hmm... we did a lot of magic, but this one may be yours... :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 08:21:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA12398; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 08:20:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 08:20:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 08:19:33 EDT Subject: Re: field recorders To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <19AfgC.A.0AD.ZHlg7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > There's one of those little Marantz mono cassette numbers at a > nearby music store, but I don't know much about them. > I'm hesitant about MD because of data compression, but I'd be interested > to hear what MD users think about them. MD, very portable, and excellent editing facilities. having 74 mins record time(2x for mono), which you can edit leaves cassette behind Sound quality depends on what you record, of course you don't get the pitch variations of a cassette. I've recorded a singing saz player outside a restaurant and got excellent results. But the waterfall just sounds like white noise.(too many different frequencies) but where the water was bubbling gently it sounds great. And the fluttering of a bat going close by the mic (clearly audible on headphones) didn't pick up at all. ...and watch out for the worst minidisc trick of all, if you wait too long before you press record the recording starts from the beginning of the disc, and overwrites.(trauma) portable DAT is the way to go if you're serious about recording sounds that the MD might find difficult. Also consider which mike? what about windshields (can be essential) check out the quality of mic pre-amp in whatever recorder, (very variable) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 08:22:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA12516; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 08:21:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 08:21:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B825280.5E72E2FC@pathcom.com> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 08:22:24 -0400 From: hutton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: field recorders References: <3B7FE6C9.C4F07336@zerocrossing.net> <3B81D49B.E90926A5@quik.com> <001d01c129fb$026e55c0$cc004d0c@fart> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Through out my career, I have used everything you might think of for field recording ..... When I left the studio's I had to supply my own equipment ....... I use a Dat for my studio, but for field recording I recommend an MD...... A lot of people will disagree with me! ..... it works just fine or me ....... is small ...... Your mike selection is imperative ....... Garbage in garbage out ........ considering the price involved, you can do a fine job with this medium. klem klemmingberg wrote: > All the recent talk of crickets, frogs, and cicadas put me to wondering > what folks use for their field recordings. I am actually looking currently > for something portable & battery powered for recording ambiences, sound efx, > etc., & am unsure of what to get. > I like the sound of a Nagra III, but it's bulky & a bit pricey. > There's one of those little Marantz mono cassette numbers at a > nearby music store, but I don't know much about them. > I'm hesitant about MD because of data compression, but I'd be interested > to hear what MD users think about them. > > Thanks > T om From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 09:47:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA17662; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 09:45:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 09:45:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 09:44:28 EDT Subject: Re: Versatility To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sevant asked: >I am looking for a unit that will enable me to loop up 3 tracks or so of >20"+ (each track), >but will allow me to stop just one while letting the >others continue. 4 separate 'tracks' of 20 seconds, each: electrix repeater, w/each track's length the same..... (though each is track is individually 'slippable', among other things). each track has its own fader, which can also be functionally 'muted' via midi cc's. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 09:53:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA17995; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 09:51:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 09:51:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Sevan Takvoryan To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Versatility Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 09:35:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks, is the name of that "Electrix Repeater?" -----Original Message----- From: Hedewa7@aol.com [mailto:Hedewa7@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 9:44 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Versatility sevant asked: >I am looking for a unit that will enable me to loop up 3 tracks or so of >20"+ (each track), >but will allow me to stop just one while letting the >others continue. 4 separate 'tracks' of 20 seconds, each: electrix repeater, w/each track's length the same..... (though each is track is individually 'slippable', among other things). each track has its own fader, which can also be functionally 'muted' via midi cc's. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 10:55:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22751; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 10:53:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 10:53:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <142.3c6471.28b3cf91@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 10:52:01 EDT Subject: Re: OT: giant pipes down Portola Avenue in Santa Cruz and other natural reverbs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_142.3c6471.28b3cf91_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10532 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_142.3c6471.28b3cf91_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/21/01 2:34:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes: > as you approach point park, in pittsburgh, where the rivers come together to create the mighty ohio river, there is a bridge (fancy that) that you must pass under to get to the park proper.....when standing under this bridge (it actually just crosses land) you get the most amazing delay.....everytime i go across it i have to clap my hands and yell, much to the "delight" of those with me and many odd looks from our oh so friendly police.....i think a wind instrument played here would be a treat.....there are many more with all of the tunnels and coal mines and other bridges through out the city.....:)m --part1_142.3c6471.28b3cf91_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/21/01 2:34:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes:


WHAT KICK ASS SONIC ANOMALIES DO YOU KNOW OF IN YOUR HOMETOWN


as you approach point park, in pittsburgh, where the rivers come together to
create the mighty ohio river, there is a bridge (fancy that) that you must
pass under to get to the park proper.....when standing under this bridge (it
actually just crosses land) you get the most amazing delay.....everytime i go
across it i have to clap my hands and yell, much to the "delight" of those
with me and many odd looks from our oh so friendly police.....i think a wind
instrument played here would be a treat.....there are many more with all of
the tunnels and coal mines and other bridges through out the city.....:)m --part1_142.3c6471.28b3cf91_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 10:58:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA25656; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 10:56:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 10:56:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 10:55:54 -0400 From: David Kenzik To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP Syncing/Setup Question Message-ID: <20010821105554.V25205@over.react.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all. I just upgraded my DL-4/Boomerang rig to include two EDP's (Alto Music was wonderful, btw.) Man those EDP's are nice units! I love being able to sync to an external source. Will be even nicer when I get my hands on a Repeater and I can get rid of my computer from the rig.... But that's another thread altogether. Anyway, I noticed after resetting the EDPs to factory defaults and hooking them up for stereo use (brothersync w/TRS and midi out from master to midi in on slave) that I get some odd behavour. It seems that the first time I try to change a parameter on the master, for example to turn on quantizing and to tell the master to sync to midi in, the slave won't -initially- respond. The slave just sits there with no changes. I then hit the paramater button a couple more times to get it out of that mode on the master, and it seems like the master EDP reboots. I get the unit title/version banner. The slave just happily sits there, smiling at me. Then, everything seems as it should be-- the slave EDP is mirroring everything I now do on the master, including parameter changes. All my previous parameter changes I made on the master are preserved too (as expected.) Everything is in sync, and all seems well. I tried a few different midi and trs cables as well as switching master/slave units around. Is this something I should be concerned with? (I apologize if it is in the FAQ, as I might have missed it.) -- David S. Kenzik david@kenzik.com - http://kenzik.com Original Music - http://text.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 12:11:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02610; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 12:09:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 12:09:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.20.137.180] From: "Joe Dallarda" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: MD field recordings Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 16:08:34 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Aug 2001 16:08:35.0239 (UTC) FILETIME=[87D57B70:01C12A5B] Resent-Message-ID: <7T4Eb.A.Co.ieog7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been using a portable md recorder for this purpose for a few years now and wouldn't use anthing else. Its true that portable DAT recorders dont have the ATRAC compression thing that people are wary of with the MD format, but as for me, I only imagine i may be hearing this compression (more in an almost subliminal kind of way than anything else) when someone mentions it in a post or something and then I get all paranoid and start listening to various MD recordings of mine, looking for it. If you ask me, music recorded on an MD, if recorded well, sounds the same as your average CD. The thing with portable DAT recorders, if I remember correctly, is that you hardly get any time at all before the batteries burn themselves out, interupting your recording. When in Cairo I would clip a set of binaural mics to the balcony of my ninth floor apartment and record the friday call to prayer (amazing sound). An hour and 14 minutes later I would return and there would be an hour and 14 minutes worth of "field" recording on the MD. just my 2 Cents j. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 12:48:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05087; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 12:46:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 12:46:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: From: "p koniuto" Subject: RE: MD field recordings Message-Id: <210801233.35147@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 09:45:57 -0700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What kind of mics do you use? >From: "Joe Dallarda" >When in Cairo I would clip a set of binaural mics to the balcony of my ninth >floor apartment and record the friday call to prayer (amazing sound). An >hour and 14 minutes later I would return and there would be an hour and 14 >minutes worth of "field" recording on the MD. >just my 2 Cents >j. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 12:49:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05177; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 12:47:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 12:47:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: kflint@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 09:46:08 -0700 From: "Jan Pek" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: swirlee@angelfire.com X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: polyrhythm multilooper X-Sender-Ip: 152.18.33.47 Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Kim- Last year, I poked my nose around on the LD mailing list, doing some development on a MSP-based multi looping tool. The vision was to have many tracks of simultaneous looping, with different lengths, playing at the same time. New tracks could be brought in live or from disk. I created a prototype version, minus store and retrieve, which allowed me to improvise many parts. One of the advantages this had over EDP is that it allowed me to build a piece up, down, or sideways-- weaving in new tapestries without the linear framework of a single delay line. The next step is to integrate real-time pitch and tempo shifting on each live loop to create a kind of live 'ACID', and to allow live resampling and cutting of loops triggered across a MIDI keyboard, which I think would be nice for performance. But then it occurs to me that I would be developing my own looper in parallel with Gibson. So why not collaborate? Since I've worked with microprocessor assembler up to C++ and Java, I think I have a good sense of what the hardware is capable of, and I certainly have a lot of vision invested in the future of this way of creating sound. Would you let me know what you think? Thanks, Jan P. Get 250 color business cards for FREE! http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 13:34:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08696; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 13:32:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 13:32:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AaroneousAG@aol.com Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 13:30:48 EDT Subject: re: first looper reminiscence To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <98.199da787.28b3f4c8@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi! Does anyone remember those ancient answering machines which used a standard sized cassette with a looped 1 minute reel on it for the greeting? When I was a sophmore in high school, I got a hold of a few extras. My crap boombox had a built in mic, and you could disable record while the tape was still playing, so I'd record myself, then jump out of record and play over the loop. I had an even shittier boom box to record that with, and still have these ancient relics lying around somewhere. This was just when I started playing, but I think, in many ways, looping taught me to play, and trained my ear. Because before I knew what scales were, I figured out what notes sounded good over what kinds of fucked up chords I had invented (to my mind, anyway). A little more than a year later, a friend of mine pilfered an Ibanez rackmount multi-effects unit for me, which had a 6 second delay at the longest setting, which you could tweek in real time with these tiny levers for mix, regen, and speed. That's when I started figuring out how to layer, though it was just long delay layering, and the earlier stuff would slowly fade out, unless I maxed out the regen. I also had a four track with an effects loop, so I would be able to drop vocals, bass, and casio in. I was in lo-fi heaven, but still wanted MORE! In 94, my second year in college, I got a hold of a Digitech echo plus and everything changed. Battery powered, a knob for tweaking speed, and CONTROL CONTROL CONTROL!!! I wrote so much music at this period, I felt like I was bursting. A little later that year, I found out about a non-gender-specific-jam-device (at the introductory price of $350) and was forced into the world of midi control routing and all that other left brain stuff. The echo plus died on me, so I really was stuck there for a while. The line-6 I got last year brought me back to where I was with the simplicity of the digitech, but with the limitations we're all well aware of. I was bumbed about the lack of regen control and time tweaking, until I heard rumour of an amazing device JUST AROUND THE CORNER. Little did I know it was a very long corner, but my Repeater should arrive in a few weeks. I suppose it's back to midi routing for me. When they get to the point of having a four-track floor mounted battery powered looper with real time stretching and pitch whammying that will sync to midi or tap tempo, I will buy 10, mark my words. aaroneous From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 13:59:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09959; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 13:57:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 13:57:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001d01c129fb$026e55c0$cc004d0c@fart> References: <3B7FE6C9.C4F07336@zerocrossing.net> <3B81D49B.E90926A5@quik.com> <001d01c129fb$026e55c0$cc004d0c@fart> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 10:55:58 -0700 To: From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: field recorders Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm currently testing the Sound Devices USBPre, waiting for the ASIO driver to enable 24-bit recording with a Powerbook. I've also read that one of the current mp3 players with an internal drive (I think it's the Nomad?) will record uncompressed 16/44 stereo audio as well. I'd be interested in any stories about their sound quality. My concern about compressed field recordings is primarily that if you do a lot of subsequent processing (which might be an understatement on this list!), esp. pitch shifting, that the carefully designed "perceptual masking" tricks start to break down. At 12:37 AM -0400 8/21/01, klem klemmingberg wrote: >All the recent talk of crickets, frogs, and cicadas put me to wondering >what folks use for their field recordings. I am actually looking currently >for something portable & battery powered for recording ambiences, sound efx, >etc., & am unsure of what to get. >I like the sound of a Nagra III, but it's bulky & a bit pricey. >There's one of those little Marantz mono cassette numbers at a >nearby music store, but I don't know much about them. >I'm hesitant about MD because of data compression, but I'd be interested >to hear what MD users think about them. > > >Thanks >T om From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 14:43:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13144; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 14:41:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 14:41:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.119.57] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: computer question Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 13:40:19 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Aug 2001 18:40:20.0172 (UTC) FILETIME=[BACC00C0:01C12A70] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok, live looping on a PC, eh ? I'd go with this configuration : 1 . Epox KL133M Socket A Motherboard w/Duron 800MHz CPU $119.99 from TigerDirect.com. 2 . 2 128 MB PC 133 SDRAM Chips $19.99 x 2 from TigerDirect. 3 . 1 Creative Labs Sound Blaster Live! MP3-5.1 Sound Card $99.99 from TigerDirect. Now, this might be the most expensive thing for your PC, but the sound is pretty good. Now if you want multi-track recording, good Midi sequencing, then go with a Layla, or high end card, but for a start, this is fine. 4 . 1 Pine nVidia TnT2 M64 32 MB AGP Video Card. $46.99 from TigerDirect. This is a good starter video card, with a set of decent drivers, that don’t conflict with most setups. 5 . 1 Sony 8x4x32x Internal IDE CDRW $109.99. 6 . 1 Western Digital 40 GB ATA100 HDD with 8.9/7200 rpm/2 MB $129.99. 7 . 1 CG ATX-6016-G7 Mid Tower Case with 250 W PS Deep Blue on White. $39.99. 8 . 1 1.44 MB Floppy Disk Drive $17.99 9 . 1 IBM G78 17” 1280x1024 FST Monitor $99.61 10 . 1 IBM PS/2 2 Button Mouse $3.99 11 . 1 Sakar Yahoo! One Touch Keyboard $19.99 All components can be purchased from TigerDirect.Com. for a little over 700.00 bucks. Now if you have a keyboard, mouse monitor or any of the peripherals, then the cost goes down. If you don’t want the CD/RW, you can go with the regular CD ROM. But IMO, this is a good startup system, and of course, you will need an operating system. I’d go with Windows XP Home Edition when it comes out (I am using Windows XP Professional – I am a beta tester). Then, you will have to decide which Looping app you want to use. For live performances, I'd go with PCDj, with the Numark DMC 1 Controller. This will enable you to pre-record your loops, then mix them up live. ----Original Message Follows---- From: Andy Soto Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: computer question Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 23:41:21 -0500 (CDT) Hello everybody,I hav a question for anybody who is looping live via a computer, wich copmuter could be a good start (without buying the latest-state of the art machine) if I want to start using a computer for live looping? what processor should I use? wich kind of sound interfaces are you guys happy with? thanx, A. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 14:46:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13501; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 14:44:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 14:44:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Jamie Drouin (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: field recorders Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 11:45:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alex, I picked up the Nomad to record my live concerts, and although the recording quality was very good, I was extremely frustrated by the interface. The recording controls are buried in submenus. Worse still, an undocumented 'feature' of the Nomad is that recordings are broken up into 110MB (10:54sec) files with information dropped between them, making long recordings almost useless. Needless to say, I returned the Nomad and am back to my good ol' MiniDisc. Best, Jamie. > ---------- > From: Alex Stahl > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 10:55 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: field recorders > > I'm currently testing the Sound Devices USBPre, waiting for the ASIO > driver to enable 24-bit recording with a Powerbook. I've also read > that one of the current mp3 players with an internal drive (I think > it's the Nomad?) will record uncompressed 16/44 stereo audio as well. > I'd be interested in any stories about their sound quality. > > My concern about compressed field recordings is primarily that if you > do a lot of subsequent processing (which might be an understatement > on this list!), esp. pitch shifting, that the carefully designed > "perceptual masking" tricks start to break down. > > Jamie Drouin Visual Designer Electrix/IVL Technologies Ltd 6710 Bertram Place, Victoria, BC, V8M 1Z6 Canada email... jamie@electrixpro.com fax... 250-544-4102 voice... 250-544-4114 > At 12:37 AM -0400 8/21/01, klem klemmingberg wrote: > >All the recent talk of crickets, frogs, and cicadas put me to wondering > >what folks use for their field recordings. I am actually looking > currently > >for something portable & battery powered for recording ambiences, sound > efx, > >etc., & am unsure of what to get. > >I like the sound of a Nagra III, but it's bulky & a bit pricey. > >There's one of those little Marantz mono cassette numbers at a > >nearby music store, but I don't know much about them. > >I'm hesitant about MD because of data compression, but I'd be interested > >to hear what MD users think about them. > > > > > >Thanks > >T om > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 19:00:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28471; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 18:48:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 18:48:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010821184432.007d9e00@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 18:44:32 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: OT: giant pipes down Portola Avenue in Santa Cruz and other natural reverbs In-Reply-To: <012901c12a0b$6bd03aa0$e542f93f@dnlsh01> References: <200108202313.TAA28386@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:35 PM 8/20/01 -0700, you wrote: >WHAT KICK ASS SONIC ANOMALIES DO YOU KNOW OF IN YOUR HOMETOWN........WHAT >WIERD ASSED PIECE OF ARCHITECTURE OR SCULPTURES OR PLUMBING EXISTS TO BE >STRUCK OR BLOWN ON OR OTHERWISE PUSHED INTO RESONANCE........ I once played an unamplified set of shakuhachi, chung yuen and native american flute pieces in a wooden geodesic dome that had very unusual acoustics, kind of like when you're in a planet -arium and someone on the opposite side whispers and it can be heard clearly on the other side. It only occured to me later that it would have been cool to walk around during the flute pieces... Another place near my home (Seacoast New Hampshire) where there are great acoustics is an old WWII submarine surveillance bunker at Odiorne Point that runs about a quarter mile underground underneath a man-made ridge. I've never actually played an instrument in there (the authorities have sealed it up repeatedly with cement and iron bars, so it can be kind of inconvenient getting in) but my friends and I have often had fun with the long natural reverb. -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 19:12:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30480; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 19:10:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 19:10:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 16:09:44 -0700 From: "Miko Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: OT: giant pipes down Portola Avenue in Santa Cruz andother natural reverbs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id TAA30439 Resent-Message-ID: <-HCZWD.A.2bH.Xpug7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was lucky enough to play in the small telescope dome up at Lick Observatory with our long missing LD member Laurie Hatch. The circular shape and dome caused the most quiet passages to sound amazingly clear. Echo was pretty heavy as well, but you could always hear the quiet stuff perfectly. Miko Biffle - Miko.Biffle@asml.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" >>> tcn62@ici.net 08/21/01 03:44PM >>> At 11:35 PM 8/20/01 -0700, you wrote: >WHAT KICK ASS SONIC ANOMALIES DO YOU KNOW OF IN YOUR HOMETOWN........WHAT >WIERD ASSED PIECE OF ARCHITECTURE OR SCULPTURES OR PLUMBING EXISTS TO BE >STRUCK OR BLOWN ON OR OTHERWISE PUSHED INTO RESONANCE........ I once played an unamplified set of shakuhachi, chung yuen and native american flute pieces in a wooden geodesic dome that had very unusual acoustics, kind of like when you're in a planet -arium and someone on the opposite side whispers and it can be heard clearly on the other side. It only occured to me later that it would have been cool to walk around during the flute pieces... Another place near my home (Seacoast New Hampshire) where there are great acoustics is an old WWII submarine surveillance bunker at Odiorne Point that runs about a quarter mile underground underneath a man-made ridge. I've never actually played an instrument in there (the authorities have sealed it up repeatedly with cement and iron bars, so it can be kind of inconvenient getting in) but my friends and I have often had fun with the long natural reverb. -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 19:28:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31625; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 19:27:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 19:27:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 16:26:34 -0700 Subject: Re: OT: giant pipes down Portola Avenue in Santa Cruz and other natural reverbs From: Allan Hoeltje To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010821184432.007d9e00@pop.ici.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> WHAT KICK ASS SONIC ANOMALIES DO YOU KNOW OF IN YOUR HOMETOWN........WHAT >> WIERD ASSED PIECE OF ARCHITECTURE OR SCULPTURES OR PLUMBING EXISTS TO BE >> STRUCK OR BLOWN ON OR OTHERWISE PUSHED INTO RESONANCE........ What we need in every major town is a place for resonance worship. Large cathedral-like buildings made of thick stone with high domed ceilings, subdued lighting, convenient electrical outlets... Call it "The First Congregation of the Sonically Inclined". If I were rich... -Allan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 19:30:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31702; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 19:28:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 19:28:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: giant pipes down Portola Avenue in Santa Cruz and other natural reverbs Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 16:27:36 -0700 Organization: Darklock Communications Message-ID: References: <200108202313.TAA28386@hemlock.violacea.com> <012901c12a0b$6bd03aa0$e542f93f@dnlsh01> In-Reply-To: <012901c12a0b$6bd03aa0$e542f93f@dnlsh01> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 20 Aug 2001 23:35:07 -0700, "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" wrote: >WHAT KICK ASS SONIC ANOMALIES DO YOU KNOW OF IN YOUR HOMETOWN........WHAT >WIERD ASSED PIECE OF ARCHITECTURE OR SCULPTURES OR PLUMBING EXISTS TO BE >STRUCK OR BLOWN ON OR OTHERWISE PUSHED INTO RESONANCE........ My old band "British Steel" in Xenia, Ohio (yes, we *were* big Judas Priest fans, thank you) used to practice in a storm drain; we had to lug our equipment through about a mile and a half of tunnels, and then we'd get to a point where we could run a series of extension cords out to our bass player's house. The acoustics were fantastic, and we could play till all hours without bothering anyone. As long as it wasn't raining. That was probably my biggest epiphany about loops and repetition, since we could do all kinds of interesting things by letting the resultant echoes become part of the performance... they would have been MORE interesting, however, if we weren't a bunch of barely-teenage dorks who couldn't play for shit. It's also probably why I'm overly enamored of heavy reverb applied to thin EQ, relying on the "damping" in the effect to provide the low end. That rarely works well, anyway, so I'd classify it as a bad habit rather than a point of style. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 19:38:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA32302; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 19:36:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 19:36:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB723@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: OT: giant pipes down Portola Avenue in Santa Cruz and other n atural reverbs Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 19:35:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C12A99.F7EF69F0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12A99.F7EF69F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" there was a band in l.a. (savage republic i think), that recorded their albums in the ucla parking structures . . . ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12A99.F7EF69F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: OT: giant pipes down Portola Avenue in Santa Cruz and other = natural reverbs

there was a band in l.a. (savage republic i think), = that recorded their albums in the ucla parking structures . . .

------_=_NextPart_001_01C12A99.F7EF69F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 21:10:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09201; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 21:08:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 21:08:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <012901c12a0b$6bd03aa0$e542f93f@dnlsh01> References: <200108202313.TAA28386@hemlock.violacea.com> <012901c12a0b$6bd03aa0$e542f93f@dnlsh01> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 21:07:33 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: OT: giant pipes down Portola Avenue in Santa Cruz and other natural reverbs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >WHAT KICK ASS SONIC ANOMALIES DO YOU KNOW OF IN YOUR HOMETOWN........WHAT >WIERD ASSED PIECE OF ARCHITECTURE OR SCULPTURES OR PLUMBING EXISTS TO BE >STRUCK OR BLOWN ON OR OTHERWISE PUSHED INTO RESONANCE........ there are two corridors that intersect in Grand Central and form a whispering gallery -- a homeless poet friend of mine told me about this and it's quite true! /t .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 22:30:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14329; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 22:28:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 22:28:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005801c12ab1$e68f1800$6347a518@socal.rr.com> From: "Bowerbird" To: References: <200108210447.f7L4lEF20960@servidor.unam.mx> <01082102010701.14476@localhost.localdomain> Subject: Re: field recorders Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 19:26:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is there any kind of portable reel to reel machine that could be used as a field recorder? I think I remember seeing a picture of Cornelius holding one in the CD booklet of his album "Fantasma". If not, then does anyone know of a good quality tape recorder that you could plug a mic into, I try to avoid digital equipment as much as possible. Thanks! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Pafford" To: Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 11:01 PM Subject: Re: field recorders On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Andy Soto wrote: > MD will sound a hell of a lot better than a casstette recorder, really, I > use a Sony MZ-R70 MD recorder, pretty coll little blue device, mine even > came with a USB PC link to transfer stuff from and to the MD, go check it > out, I think you´ll find it useful... I have to agree 100% with this. I have the same unit (a Sony MZ-R700) and can't say enough great things about it. I haven't taken it out for field recording, but I do record my guitars & synths using it all the time and I love the results. I've been wanting to get a decent stereo mic for it and I expect that the quality of this item is what will make the difference between an ok field recording and a great sounding one. The recorder is transparent enough that if you can get a good signal to it it should treat it right. T From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 22:45:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15127; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 22:44:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 22:44:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010821224014.007e0890@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 22:40:14 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: field recorders In-Reply-To: <005801c12ab1$e68f1800$6347a518@socal.rr.com> References: <200108210447.f7L4lEF20960@servidor.unam.mx> <01082102010701.14476@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There'$ alway$ Nagra, but they're a bit expen$ive. A portable MD would probably be your best bet. -t At 07:26 PM 8/21/01 -0700, you wrote: >Is there any kind of portable reel to reel machine that could be used as a >field recorder? I think I remember seeing a picture of Cornelius holding >one in the CD booklet of his album "Fantasma". If not, then does anyone know >of a good quality tape recorder that you could plug a mic into, I try to >avoid digital equipment as much as possible. Thanks! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 22:48:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15383; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 22:47:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 22:47:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010821194525.01af91f8@mulder.intermag.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.midiwall.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 19:46:47 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: field recorders In-Reply-To: <005801c12ab1$e68f1800$6347a518@socal.rr.com> References: <200108210447.f7L4lEF20960@servidor.unam.mx> <01082102010701.14476@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bowerbird (07:26 PM 08.21.2001) wrote: >Is there any kind of portable reel to reel machine that could be used as a >field recorder? I think I remember seeing a picture of Cornelius holding >one in the CD booklet of his album "Fantasma". If not, then does anyone know >of a good quality tape recorder that you could plug a mic into, I try to >avoid digital equipment as much as possible. Thanks! The "classic" R2R field recorder has always been models from Nagra, who also offer digital now as well: http://www.nagra.com/nagraaudio/pages/professionalaudio.htm Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 00:26:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA04343; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 00:24:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 00:24:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005c01c12ac1$b613f320$c5004d0c@fart> From: "klem klemmingberg" To: References: <200108210447.f7L4lEF20960@servidor.unam.mx><01082102010701.14476@localhost.localdomain> <3.0.5.32.20010821224014.007e0890@pop.ici.net> Subject: Re: field recorders Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 00:19:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <6AukV.A.mDB.tPzg7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think (but don't know) there's a portable UHER reel to reel (maybe the 4400?). Apparently some parts of Trout Mask Replica were recorded on a UHER. T om 10:40 PM Subject: Re: field recorders > > > There'$ alway$ Nagra, but they're a bit expen$ive. > > A portable MD would probably be your best bet. > > -t > > At 07:26 PM 8/21/01 -0700, you wrote: > >Is there any kind of portable reel to reel machine that could be used as a > >field recorder? I think I remember seeing a picture of Cornelius holding > >one in the CD booklet of his album "Fantasma". If not, then does anyone know > >of a good quality tape recorder that you could plug a mic into, I try to > >avoid digital equipment as much as possible. Thanks! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 00:36:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA04867; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 00:34:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 00:34:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.89.132.253] From: "Scott Anderson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Which Nickelodeon show? Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 04:33:46 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Aug 2001 04:33:47.0444 (UTC) FILETIME=[A2628740:01C12AC3] Resent-Message-ID: <6D3bg.A.3LB.KZzg7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Steve. Your reasons-for-music-making post was interesting. What show are you scoring? If I watch it, is all the music I hear what you have written? Scott Steve Sandberg wrote: My money gig right now is scoring a Nickelodeon children's cartoon. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 02:18:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA21402; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 02:17:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 02:17:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <200108202313.TAA28386@hemlock.violacea.com> <012901c12a0b$6bd03aa0$e542f93f@dnlsh01> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 23:17:41 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: OT: giant pipes down Portola Avenue in Santa Cruz and other natural reverbs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >On Mon, 20 Aug 2001 23:35:07 -0700, "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" > wrote: > >>WHAT KICK ASS SONIC ANOMALIES DO YOU KNOW OF IN YOUR HOMETOWN........WHAT >>WIERD ASSED PIECE OF ARCHITECTURE OR SCULPTURES OR PLUMBING EXISTS TO BE > >STRUCK OR BLOWN ON OR OTHERWISE PUSHED INTO RESONANCE........ > Where I grew up, on a farm in Eastern Oregon, there was a pipeline for an irrigation project that came out a few miles away. Metal pipe, 8ft diameter, about 50 miles long. In high school, we used to take instruments, battery-powered amps, tape decks, etc, as far into the pipe as we dared and play/record. We never really knew when water may be run through, so there was always some element of risk. Great acoustics, though. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 02:49:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA22759; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 02:47:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 02:47:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003501c12ad6$15f61020$024628d5@a123456789> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <200108210441.f7L4fKF19974@servidor.unam.mx> Subject: Re: computer question Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 07:45:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Andy, What do you want to do with this machine ? Mainly midi or looping audio ? The latter requires a very low latency soundcard etc etc. I use a laptop and latency can be a problem. In fact the other day I "upgraded" to a machine with much better specs, (more ram, faster processor etc) only to find that the latency on it was 4 times as long ! Anyway tell us what it is you're after. There is plenty of expertise on this list. Best, Gareth > > Hello everybody,I hav a question for anybody who is looping live via a > computer, wich copmuter could be a good start (without buying the > latest-state of the art machine) if I want to start using a computer for > live looping? what processor should I use? wich kind of sound interfaces are > you guys happy with? > > > thanx, > > A. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 03:20:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA24909; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 03:19:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 03:19:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 03:18:54 EDT Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #464 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > now this is mysterious really: With different loop times on the two > units they dont switch simultaneously when quantized... or do they > because they quantize to the brother sync instead of the internal > loop start? > Do they jump together, although one is not at loop end? > If so, this feature may have gone in the new version... maybe we > should dig it out? Yes, they jump together even though one is not at loop end. (even with SwitchQuant=CYC) It's a good feature for deconstruct>>>restore effects. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 09:36:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10808; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 09:26:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 09:26:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <59.f05def1.28b50cee@aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 09:26:06 EDT Subject: Re: Versatility To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Thanks, is the name of that "Electrix Repeater?" yes. electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 12:29:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29062; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 12:27:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 12:27:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.20.137.196] From: "Joe Dallarda" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: mics, MD field recordings Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:26:15 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Aug 2001 16:26:15.0821 (UTC) FILETIME=[2A6733D0:01C12B27] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >What kind of mics do you use? core sound binaural mics. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 12:31:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29217; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 12:29:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 12:29:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010822122755.03099ee8@pop1.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 12:28:42 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: Where's The Repeater? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there. Has anyone gotten a Repeater from the regular channel? I'm starting to get annoyed. thanks plexus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 12:49:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30088; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 12:47:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 12:47:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: WKlein8318@aol.com Message-ID: <89.ade83af.28b53bf2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 12:46:42 EDT Subject: RE:field recordings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 114 Resent-Message-ID: <3XWrND.A.6VH.UI-g7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 8/21/01 2:34:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes: << found sound >> Way back in the archaic days of cassette (snail)mail projects, a couple of guys were trading field recordings of the most dangerous places they could find... Of course they kept trying to out do each other, and the recordings got more and more extreme. Anyway, that always gets my imagination going. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 12:56:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30445; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 12:54:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 12:54:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c12b2b$1084a0c0$0401a8c0@cliff> From: "MediaOne" To: References: Subject: Re: mics, MD field recordings Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 09:54:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have been using a Sharp MD-MS702 for a few years now with Core binaurals and have found this to be and exceptional investment. From recording rehearsals to recording live shows in stealth mode and as a personal recorder plugged into tape outs on mixer, this combo provides great fidelity with great flexibility- cheap media, editing functions, naming, re-writeable etc- it may not be a DAT but it is smaller, faster, and has some great functions I have not found on DAT- Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 13:14:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32196; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:10:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:10:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009801c12b2c$705c7f30$6b44230a@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <200108202313.TAA28386@hemlock.violacea.com> <012901c12a0b$6bd03aa0$e542f93f@dnlsh01> Subject: Re: OT: giant pipes down Portola Avenue in Santa Cruz and other natural reverbs Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:03:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you play something really loud (further back is better) at the broad side of a building covered with vertical corrugated siding, and then dance wildly back and forth between the building and the sound source, you get the equivalent of a physical comb filter/phaser. If you can find two buildings like this parallel to each other, it hurts. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Trenkel" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 2:17 AM Subject: Re: OT: giant pipes down Portola Avenue in Santa Cruz and other natural reverbs > >On Mon, 20 Aug 2001 23:35:07 -0700, "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" > > wrote: > > > >>WHAT KICK ASS SONIC ANOMALIES DO YOU KNOW OF IN YOUR HOMETOWN........WHAT > >>WIERD ASSED PIECE OF ARCHITECTURE OR SCULPTURES OR PLUMBING EXISTS TO BE > > >STRUCK OR BLOWN ON OR OTHERWISE PUSHED INTO RESONANCE........ > > > Where I grew up, on a farm in Eastern Oregon, there was a pipeline > for an irrigation project that came out a few miles away. Metal pipe, > 8ft diameter, about 50 miles long. In high school, we used to take > instruments, battery-powered amps, tape decks, etc, as far into the > pipe as we dared and play/record. We never really knew when water may > be run through, so there was always some element of risk. Great > acoustics, though. > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- > Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music > http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org > Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit > "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" > -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer > -------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 13:37:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01141; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:35:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:35:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PaulPokr@aol.com Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:34:23 EDT Subject: Re: Where's The Repeater? To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <72.ecb933e.28b54720@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-Bnj7.A.aR.B1-g7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, how long will it take for shipment between Electrix and Alto Music? Is Alto Music in New York state (can't remember)? Regards, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 13:47:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01673; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:45:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:45:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 10:44:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Rik Elswit Message-Id: <200108221744.KAA16133@well.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: repeaters Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 8/22/01 9:28 AM, Brett Maraldo at plexus@sympatico.ca wrote: > Hi there. Has anyone gotten a Repeater from the regular channel? I'm > starting to get annoyed. > > thanks > plexus > > ------------------------------------------------------ Repeaters have shipped, and I'm filling orders at Bananas at Large right now. FWIW, they are NOT shipping with FS300s. -- Rik Elswit Bananas at Large San Rafael, CA 415-457-7600 Tu-Sat, 10-6 PDT From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 13:51:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01936; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:49:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:49:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <029b01c12b32$2f18d400$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <001001c12b2b$1084a0c0$0401a8c0@cliff> Subject: Re: mics, MD field recordings Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 12:45:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have likewise been using a Sharp MD-MS702. In my case with a Sony ECM 727P. One of the best toys I ever bought. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 13:58:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02553; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:57:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:57:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010822135611.02f059e0@pop1.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:56:23 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: Re: repeaters In-Reply-To: <200108221744.KAA16133@well.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How much are they rik? At 01:44 PM 8/22/2001, you wrote: >on 8/22/01 9:28 AM, Brett Maraldo at plexus@sympatico.ca wrote: > > > Hi there. Has anyone gotten a Repeater from the regular channel? I'm > > starting to get annoyed. > > > > thanks > > plexus > > > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Repeaters have shipped, and I'm filling orders at Bananas at Large right >now. FWIW, they are NOT shipping with FS300s. >-- >Rik Elswit >Bananas at Large >San Rafael, CA >415-457-7600 >Tu-Sat, 10-6 PDT From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 14:01:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03856; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:00:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:00:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d701c12b34$b0c9e640$1b86893e@simes> From: "Simon Kean" To: References: <001001c12b2b$1084a0c0$0401a8c0@cliff> <029b01c12b32$2f18d400$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: mics, MD field recordings Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 19:02:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have an upcoming vacation starting next week. Planning on hauling along my tiny Sharp MD & baby Sony Mic. I got some good results travelling through Europe last year. This year it's the States - bring on those industrial tones New York!. Simon --------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://mp3.com/ulcerate www.ulcerate.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Leas" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 6:45 PM Subject: Re: mics, MD field recordings > I have likewise been using a Sharp MD-MS702. In my case with a Sony ECM > 727P. One of the best toys I ever bought. > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 14:05:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04097; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:02:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:02:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 11:02:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Rik Elswit Message-Id: <200108221802.LAA00511@well.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: repeaters Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com $599 plus freight. We're in California and have to tax any orders we don't ship out of state. Rik From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 14:05:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04204; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:03:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:03:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010822105804.01b0b148@mulder.intermag.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.midiwall.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 11:02:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Where's The Repeater? In-Reply-To: <72.ecb933e.28b54720@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com PaulPokr@aol.com (10:34 AM 08.22.2001) wrote: >Yeah, how long will it take for shipment between Electrix and Alto Music? Is >Alto Music in New York state (can't remember)? Folks have to remember that we've known for a while that Banana's had their purchase order into Electrix before Alto. Electrix has stated that they will fulfill orders in the order that _they_ got them. There was a quick count of boxes that went out based on the pictures on the Electrix site, and that ended up being appx 180 machines. Damon loosely confirmed that number, and said that they would continue to ship. No mention was made as to where Alto was in the ship-to list, nor was any mention made as to how many boxes went to Bananas. While you're waiting, you might want to get a larger CF card. This is a pretty good deal, it's a high quality card, and it's on Electrix's approved list: http://www.us.buy.com/retail/searchresults.asp?qu=10153448&loc=273 128meg will give you about 21 minutes of total recording time. Gotta buy it before the 15th to get the rebate. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 14:08:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04512; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:06:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:06:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 11:07:13 -0700 Subject: Re: mics, MD field recordings - level query Message-ID: <20010822.110714.119.19.tony-moore@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 5-9 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Tony Moore Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yep, i've also been using a little sony md with a t shaped plug-in stereo condensor. cool mic. it gets its power from the md's plug and is tiny. sounds pretty good with fairly flat response. the little md sounds alot better than my walkman pro, but setting levels is a major pita! you can't adjust levels on the fly. do any of the other portable md recorders allow for level adjustment while recording? thanks! tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 14:18:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05025; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:16:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:16:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c12b36$6c161760$0401a8c0@cliff> From: "MediaOne" To: References: <20010822.110714.119.19.tony-moore@juno.com> Subject: Re: mics, MD field recordings - level query Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 11:14:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com tHE sHARP md-ms702 HAS level meter fully adjustable while recording- can't remem if it adds a little "beep" each time or not tho- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Moore" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 11:07 AM Subject: Re: mics, MD field recordings - level query > yep, i've also been using a little sony md with a t shaped plug-in stereo > condensor. cool mic. it gets its power from the md's plug and is tiny. > sounds pretty good with fairly flat response. the little md sounds alot > better than my walkman pro, but setting levels is a major pita! you can't > adjust levels on the fly. do any of the other portable md recorders allow > for level adjustment while recording? > > thanks! > > tony > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 14:35:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05962; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:34:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:34:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 12:01:20 -0700 From: glenn Subject: Re: OT: giant pipes down Portola Avenue in Santa Cruz and other natural reverbs In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> WHAT KICK ASS SONIC ANOMALIES DO YOU KNOW OF IN YOUR HOMETOWN........WHAT >> WIERD ASSED PIECE OF ARCHITECTURE OR SCULPTURES OR PLUMBING EXISTS TO BE >> STRUCK OR BLOWN ON OR OTHERWISE PUSHED INTO RESONANCE........ There is an igloo near a geodesic dome in a field("poly canyon") surrounded by hills just next to Cal Poly-San Luis Obispo. Inside the igloo all manner of delays are possible up to 1 plus seconds to reverbish slapback. There was a wonderful acoustic chamber at a now destroyed bowling alley on stevens creek near lawrence expressway in san jose "futurama bowl" featuring a dome you walked under as you entered: this was particularly trippy if you drank a few beers first because the sound would get trapped in there and become so concussive it could theoretically knock a person out. maybe it's better they levelled it for safety's sake. If you go into Fry's electronics in sunnyvale, ca just as you enter the roof is dome shaped. there is a brass star on the floor just as you enter: if one person stands there and the other on the brass star on the floor about 20 feet away on the other edge of the ceiling dome, you can whisper and the other person can hear you. If you go hiking up directly above Emerald Bay in lake tahoe(which i highly recommend with or without echo-seeking interest!:)), toward Eagle lake you will pass over a bridge, then the trail winds around abit and then just where you pass over a flat barren kind of a rocky slab if you go to the edge of the slab, overlooking the creek/river below and facing the mountain on the other side of it, there is an outrageous, long, full echo. Interesting acoustics at Eagle lake itself, surrounded by mountains. BTW there are also POV visual effects at the lake as well, as there are rock formations leading up the mountainside opposite where you enter that little valley and with no point of reference proximal to it a rock which looked like it might have been 6 inches wide and maybe ten feet high can surprise you when you see a figure climbing or descending it, only to realizing that if that little ant sized figure is a person, then the rock is hundreds of feet tall. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 14:35:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05943; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:33:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:33:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010822143206.02fadfc8@pop1.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:32:26 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: Re: Where's The Repeater? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010822105804.01b0b148@mulder.intermag.com> References: <72.ecb933e.28b54720@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com and you better order quick too if you want it because buy.com is in trouble! http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1007-200-6943510.html?tag=mn_hd At 02:02 PM 8/22/2001, you wrote: >PaulPokr@aol.com (10:34 AM 08.22.2001) wrote: > > >Yeah, how long will it take for shipment between Electrix and Alto Music? Is > >Alto Music in New York state (can't remember)? > >Folks have to remember that we've known for a while that Banana's had >their purchase order into Electrix before Alto. Electrix has stated that >they will fulfill orders in the order that _they_ got them. > >There was a quick count of boxes that went out based on the pictures on >the Electrix site, and that ended up being appx 180 machines. Damon >loosely confirmed that number, and said that they would continue to ship. > >No mention was made as to where Alto was in the ship-to list, nor was any >mention made as to how many boxes went to Bananas. > > >While you're waiting, you might want to get a larger CF card. This is a >pretty good deal, it's a high quality card, and it's on Electrix's >approved list: > > http://www.us.buy.com/retail/searchresults.asp?qu=10153448&loc=273 > >128meg will give you about 21 minutes of total recording time. > > >Gotta buy it before the 15th to get the rebate. > >Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 14:48:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07120; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:46:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:46:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B83FF2F.D4A2C25B@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 12:18:59 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: field recordings References: <89.ade83af.28b53bf2@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com WKlein8318@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/21/01 2:34:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes: > > << found sound >> > > Way back in the archaic days of cassette (snail)mail projects, a couple of > guys were trading field recordings of the most dangerous places they could > find... > > Of course they kept trying to out do each other, and the recordings got more > and more extreme. > > Anyway, that always gets my imagination going. > > Bill that sounds like a chain tape project with a (potentially) bad ending. :-) lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 14:58:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08692; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:56:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:56:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JHKNICKS@aol.com Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:56:03 EDT Subject: Re: Where's The Repeater? To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <124.3986d84.28b55a44@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That is not true-Alto Music had their orders in no later than anyone else-Most likely first-and in very large quantities-FYI From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 15:06:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11777; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:05:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:05:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010822120446.01c29ba8@mulder.intermag.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.midiwall.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 12:04:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Where's The Repeater? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com JHKNICKS@aol.com (11:56 AM 08.22.2001) wrote: >That is not true-Alto Music had their orders in no later than anyone >else-Most likely first-and in very large quantities-FYI Hi Jon; I don't mean to start this all over again, but Damon did say: http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_hiliter/LDarchive/200105/msg00561.html?line=27#hilite Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 15:13:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12261; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:10:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:10:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Jamie Drouin (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Where's The Repeater? Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 12:10:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just to clarify...the first orders (which included stock for Alto and Bananas) went out on the same day...last Thursday. Everything leaves from Portland, so obviously, based on logistics, stores on the West Coast will receive theirs a couple days before the East. Best, Jamie. Jamie Drouin Visual Designer Electrix/IVL Technologies Ltd 6710 Bertram Place, Victoria, BC, V8M 1Z6 Canada email... jamie@electrixpro.com fax... 250-544-4102 voice... 250-544-4114 > ---------- > From: JHKNICKS@aol.com > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 11:56 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Where's The Repeater? > > That is not true-Alto Music had their orders in no later than anyone > else-Most likely first-and in very large quantities-FYI > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 15:15:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12685; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:14:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:14:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010822151243.02fe9c58@pop1.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:13:06 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: RE: Where's The Repeater? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com is there any chance we can get some idea of how many units are being shipped out? just curious. At 03:10 PM 8/22/2001, you wrote: >Just to clarify...the first orders (which included stock for Alto and >Bananas) went out on the same day...last Thursday. Everything leaves from >Portland, so obviously, based on logistics, stores on the West Coast will >receive theirs a couple days before the East. > >Best, >Jamie. > > >Jamie Drouin >Visual Designer >Electrix/IVL Technologies Ltd >6710 Bertram Place, Victoria, BC, V8M 1Z6 Canada > >email... jamie@electrixpro.com fax... 250-544-4102 voice... 250-544-4114 > > > > > ---------- > > From: JHKNICKS@aol.com > > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 11:56 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Where's The Repeater? > > > > That is not true-Alto Music had their orders in no later than anyone > > else-Most likely first-and in very large quantities-FYI > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 15:22:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13236; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:20:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:20:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 12:20:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Rik Elswit Message-Id: <200108221920.MAA02042@well.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Where's The Repeater? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "That is not true-Alto Music had their orders in no later than anyone else- Most likely first-and in very large quantities-FYI" You know this just not an issue. Electrix made a bunch of these things, and has pretty much bet the farm on them. If you placed an order with anyone, you'll be seeing yours shortly, and there will be enough left over to take care of those sitting on the fence. We've almost sold out our first shipment already, and the only reason we have any left is that a few people changed their minds since last fall and are happy enough woith their RC20s. Hell, we're still selling EDPs. I very much appreciate the persistence and hard work of Don Goodeve and his crew of maniacs who made this machine possible, and will now go back to looping in whatever spare time I can chip off from actually working. Rik From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 15:24:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13336; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:22:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:22:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB733@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Repeater frenzy Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:20:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C12B3F.8DB26FA0" Resent-Message-ID: <5FkDOC.A.mPD.EZAh7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12B3F.8DB26FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" blood's on the water. this is too cool - - first all the turmoil over the delay in manufacturing, now the turmoil of "when does it hit the stores?" i think there oughta be a 12-step program for all the equipment junkies on this list (and i'm one too!). good luck to all who are waiting for one! stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12B3F.8DB26FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Repeater frenzy

blood's on the water.

this is too cool - -  first all the turmoil over = the delay in manufacturing, now the turmoil of "when does it hit = the stores?"

i think there oughta be a 12-step program for all the = equipment junkies on this list (and i'm one too!).

good luck to all who are waiting for one!

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C12B3F.8DB26FA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 15:26:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13739; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:25:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:25:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010822133623.02f1f720@pop1.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:37:00 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: Re: Where's The Repeater? In-Reply-To: <72.ecb933e.28b54720@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <3cgZP.A.hVD.LcAh7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a feeling that Electrix, although is saying they are shipping, is shipping limited quantities. This is taking waaaay too long. I'm about to give up. brett At 01:34 PM 8/22/2001, you wrote: >Yeah, how long will it take for shipment between Electrix and Alto Music? >Is Alto Music in New York state (can't remember)? > >Regards, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 15:35:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14441; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:33:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:33:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010822152511.02f06e78@pop1.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:32:28 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: Re: Repeater frenzy In-Reply-To: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB733@migarexch01.marit z.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_102508078==_.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: <-hLpRD.A.KhD.tjAh7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_102508078==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed i know you are just having some fun and that's cool. frankly, i think electrix handled this whole repeater thing badly. they still are. recall that the original release date was set for sometime around september 2000! i can't think of many other music equipment companies that have had the same kind of delays and lack of information on those delays (no pun intended) that electrix has had. the problem becomes serious when people put deposits on Repeaters because they were told they would be in stock in a week or so - back during all those months when Electrix was leaking that they were going to ship. Frankly I think they should have done what any other mature equipment company does and not say anything about anything until they actually have something to ship. Otherwise unrequited consumer expectations can result in negative opinions of the company. This may affect sales. I can tell you I am almost at my wits end over this whole Repeater thing and if I don't see mine soon I will be buying a brand new Echoplex. And it's not gear-lust or whatever you guys were talking about - this is about a tool I need to do my work and that I was told would be in hand in March (then in June, then July, then August and now we are heading into September). Elexctrix, despite being a division of IVL, are clearly amateurs when it comes to releasing product. Makes me wonder about the longevity of the company. brett maraldo At 03:20 PM 8/22/2001, you wrote: >blood's on the water. > >this is too cool - - first all the turmoil over the delay in >manufacturing, now the turmoil of "when does it hit the stores?" > >i think there oughta be a 12-step program for all the equipment junkies on >this list (and i'm one too!). > >good luck to all who are waiting for one! > >stig --=====================_102508078==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" i know you are just having some fun and that's cool. frankly, i think electrix handled this whole repeater thing badly. they still are. recall that the original release date was set for sometime around september 2000! i can't think of many other music equipment companies that have had the same kind of delays and lack of information on those delays (no pun intended) that electrix has had.

the problem becomes serious when people put deposits on Repeaters because they were told they would be in stock in a week or so - back during all those months when Electrix was leaking that they were going to ship.

Frankly I think they should have done what any other mature equipment company does and not say anything about anything until they actually have something to ship. Otherwise unrequited consumer expectations can result in negative opinions of the company. This may affect sales.

I can tell you I am almost at my wits end over this whole Repeater thing and if I don't see mine soon I will be buying a brand new Echoplex. And it's not gear-lust or whatever you guys were talking about - this is about a tool I need to do my work and that I was told would be in hand in March (then in June, then July, then August and now we are heading into September).

Elexctrix, despite being a division of IVL, are clearly amateurs when it comes to releasing product. Makes me wonder about the longevity of the company.

brett maraldo

At 03:20 PM 8/22/2001, you wrote:

blood's on the water.

this is too cool - -  first all the turmoil over the delay in manufacturing, now the turmoil of "when does it hit the stores?"

i think there oughta be a 12-step program for all the equipment junkies on this list (and i'm one too!).

good luck to all who are waiting for one!

stig

--=====================_102508078==_.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 15:35:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14468; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:33:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:33:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <02dc01c12b40$c412eb00$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <20010822.110714.119.19.tony-moore@juno.com> Subject: Re: mics, MD field recordings - level query Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:29:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: "Tony Moore" > adjust levels on the fly. do any of the other portable md recorders allow > for level adjustment while recording? and From: "MediaOne" > tHE sHARP md-ms702 HAS level meter fully adjustable while recording- can't > remem if it adds a little "beep" each time or not tho- Yep, I can adjust my Sharp MD-MS702 recording levels while recording. There's some option where you can disable the "beep" - definitely recommended. If you're using the mic input, there's a point in the level adjustment where it briefly mutes the signals as it switches from "high gain" to "low gain". Annoying but I can put up with it. I've never understood why the Sony portable MD recorder dis-allowed level adjustment. I've always really liked Sony products. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 15:35:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14537; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:34:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:34:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B84090C.81CF9CC4@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 12:33:20 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Where's The Repeater? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010822120446.01c29ba8@mulder.intermag.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, but when pressed about that they waffled... They were just trying to get people to pre order it at Bananas. Mark Pulver wrote: > JHKNICKS@aol.com (11:56 AM 08.22.2001) wrote: > > >That is not true-Alto Music had their orders in no later than anyone > >else-Most likely first-and in very large quantities-FYI > > Hi Jon; > > I don't mean to start this all over again, but Damon did say: > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_hiliter/LDarchive/200105/msg00561.html?line=27#hilite > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 15:45:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15227; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:40:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:40:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B841932.5912F560@cabq.gov> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:42:26 -0700 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Where's The Repeater? References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010822133623.02f1f720@pop1.sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not a mail carrier person but...It has not even been a week since they left the factory. I think one should expect it to take longer than that to arrive at the distribution spoint, get processed, and re-sent to the end user. I have very little doubt that one will be arriving at my doorstep sometime soon (LD Group Buy), but I am all for giving them more time to get their job done. later, -jas Brett Maraldo wrote: > I have a feeling that Electrix, although is saying they are shipping, is > shipping limited quantities. This is taking waaaay too long. I'm about to > give up. > > brett > > At 01:34 PM 8/22/2001, you wrote: > >Yeah, how long will it take for shipment between Electrix and Alto Music? > >Is Alto Music in New York state (can't remember)? > > > >Regards, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 15:45:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15369; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:42:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:42:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B840B22.CDCAD06E@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 12:42:14 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater frenzy References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB733@migarexch01.maritz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If Electrix was smart, they would have shipped it with some audio content on the Flash card, set to loop: ||:Are we there yet?:|| "Liebig, Steuart A." wrote: > > > blood's on the water. > > this is too cool - - first all the turmoil over the delay in > manufacturing, now the turmoil of "when does it hit the stores?" > > i think there oughta be a 12-step program for all the equipment > junkies on this list (and i'm one too!). > > good luck to all who are waiting for one! > > stig From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 15:47:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15488; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:44:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:44:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010822124327.01c12e78@mulder.intermag.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.midiwall.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 12:44:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Repeater frenzy In-Reply-To: <3B840B22.CDCAD06E@zerocrossing.net> References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB733@migarexch01.maritz.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Sottilaro (12:42 PM 08.22.2001) wrote: >If Electrix was smart, they would have shipped it with some audio >content on the Flash card, set to loop: > >||:Are we there yet?:|| Anything 'cept for "Who let the dogs out?" Our Engineering VP likes using that tune WAY too much for demos. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 15:52:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16039; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:50:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:50:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JHKNICKS@aol.com Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:49:15 EDT Subject: Re: Where's The Repeater? To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You are wrong From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 15:53:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16238; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:52:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:52:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JHKNICKS@aol.com Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:51:19 EDT Subject: Re: Repeater frenzy To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <78.1997d98e.28b56737@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <3wbCaD.A.t8D.a1Ah7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That is unfair hostility-The Electrix folks are doing their best to get the product in your hands.Try having some compassion for people who are doing their best-This is not a perfect world-Jon from Alto From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 15:53:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16145; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:51:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:51:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <016501c12b42$fbc93cf0$6b44230a@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010822133623.02f1f720@pop1.sympatico.ca> <3B841932.5912F560@cabq.gov> Subject: Re: Where's The Repeater? Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:45:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The best thing to do might be to call the company you ordered from. I'm on the LD group buy at Alto as well. They stated in the past that they would notify indivuals when their order was going out. I have not seen an email yet. Have others? Perhaps even if the companies on this list would email their customers with any kind of status, that would alleviate some tension. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Fink" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 4:42 PM Subject: Re: Where's The Repeater? > I'm not a mail carrier person but...It has not even been a week since they > left the factory. I think one should expect it to take longer than that to > arrive at the distribution spoint, get processed, and re-sent to the end > user. > > I have very little doubt that one will be arriving at my doorstep sometime > soon (LD Group Buy), but I am all for giving them more time to get > their job done. > > later, > -jas > > > > Brett Maraldo wrote: > > > I have a feeling that Electrix, although is saying they are shipping, is > > shipping limited quantities. This is taking waaaay too long. I'm about to > > give up. > > > > brett > > > > At 01:34 PM 8/22/2001, you wrote: > > >Yeah, how long will it take for shipment between Electrix and Alto Music? > > >Is Alto Music in New York state (can't remember)? > > > > > >Regards, Paul > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 15:54:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16404; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:52:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:52:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JHKNICKS@aol.com Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:51:50 EDT Subject: Re: Repeater frenzy To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: Resent-Message-ID: <79MJqC.A._-D.B2Ah7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com BTW-Alto Music hasn't taken a red cent from anyone From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 16:15:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19000; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:11:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:11:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e401c12b47$1b68a600$1b86893e@simes> From: "Simon Kean" To: References: <20010822.110714.119.19.tony-moore@juno.com> Subject: Re: mics, MD field recordings - level query Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 19:22:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My Sharp SR-MD50 does. Simon --------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://mp3.com/ulcerate www.ulcerate.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Moore" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 7:07 PM Subject: Re: mics, MD field recordings - level query > yep, i've also been using a little sony md with a t shaped plug-in stereo > condensor. cool mic. it gets its power from the md's plug and is tiny. > sounds pretty good with fairly flat response. the little md sounds alot > better than my walkman pro, but setting levels is a major pita! you can't > adjust levels on the fly. do any of the other portable md recorders allow > for level adjustment while recording? > > thanks! > > tony > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 16:31:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20000; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:29:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:29:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater frenzy Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:27:02 -0700 Organization: Darklock Communications Message-ID: References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB733@migarexch01.marit z.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20010822152511.02f06e78@pop1.sympatico.ca> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010822152511.02f06e78@pop1.sympatico.ca> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:32:28 -0400, Brett Maraldo wrote: >Frankly I think they should have done what any other mature equipment >company does Like, say, Sony. Build a next-generation hardware device that makes everything else in the field look sick. Hype it for three years. Take preorders well in advance. Then slip your release date several months and finally ship much fewer units than promised, creating an artificial demand which inspires consumers to pay inflated prices and have way too high an opinion of your product. Inexplicably turn your deliberate refusal to satisfy customer demands for timely delivery and an efficient supply chain into a rabidly loyal fan base willing to argue for months about why your product is as cooler than some other product, even when that other product is far from being released and has specs that make your product look like a toy. >Elexctrix, despite being a division of IVL, are clearly amateurs when it >comes to releasing product. Personally, I am a lot more concerned with the quality of the product than I am with how fast it gets into my hands. Buggy software can be patched, but buggy hardware is forever. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 16:31:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20135; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:30:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:30:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <78.1997d98e.28b56737@aol.com> Subject: Re: Repeated frenzy Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:29:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Aug 2001 20:29:45.0590 (UTC) FILETIME=[2E810960:01C12B49] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can't take any more. Stop now guys, or I'll get Caliban to make another post. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 16:34:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20157; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:31:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:31:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <78.1997d98e.28b56737@aol.com> Subject: Re: Repeated frenzy Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:29:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Aug 2001 20:29:50.0072 (UTC) FILETIME=[312CEF80:01C12B49] Resent-Message-ID: <-CNHRD.A.x5E.dZBh7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can't take any more. Stop now guys, or I'll get Caliban to make another post. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 16:34:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20455; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:33:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:33:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010822163055.02f577f8@pop1.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:32:09 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: Re: Repeater frenzy In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010822152511.02f06e78@pop1.sympatico.ca> <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB733@migarexch01.marit z.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20010822152511.02f06e78@pop1.sympatico.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:27 PM 8/22/2001, you wrote: >On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:32:28 -0400, Brett Maraldo >wrote: > > >Frankly I think they should have done what any other mature equipment > >company does > >Like, say, Sony. exactly! you just described what electrix did with the repeater (except for the 3-year hype). >Personally, I am a lot more concerned with the quality of the product >than I am with how fast it gets into my hands. Buggy software can be >patched, but buggy hardware is forever. amen to that, brother. >Build a next-generation hardware device that makes everything else in >the field look sick. Hype it for three years. Take preorders well in >advance. > >Then slip your release date several months and finally ship much fewer >units than promised, creating an artificial demand which inspires >consumers to pay inflated prices and have way too high an opinion of >your product. > >Inexplicably turn your deliberate refusal to satisfy customer demands >for timely delivery and an efficient supply chain into a rabidly loyal >fan base willing to argue for months about why your product is as cooler >than some other product, even when that other product is far from being >released and has specs that make your product look like a toy. > > >Elexctrix, despite being a division of IVL, are clearly amateurs when it > >comes to releasing product. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 16:35:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20517; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:33:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:33:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:32:58 EDT Subject: Re: EDP sync magic To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry for the double post, forgot to edit the title last time > now this is mysterious really: With different loop times on the two > units they dont switch simultaneously when quantized... or do they > because they quantize to the brother sync instead of the internal > loop start? > Do they jump together, although one is not at loop end? > If so, this feature may have gone in the new version... maybe we > should dig it out? Yes, they jump together even though one is not at loop end. (even with SwitchQuant=CYC) It's a good feature for deconstruct>>>restore effects. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 16:37:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20784; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:34:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:34:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:33:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Rik Elswit Message-Id: <200108222033.NAA29400@well.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater frenzy Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com plexus@sympatico.ca writes: "i know you are just having some fun and that's cool. frankly, i think electrix handled this whole repeater thing badly. they still are. recall that the original release date was set for sometime around september 2000! i can't think of many other music equipment companies that have had the same kind of delays and lack of information on those delays (no pun intended) that electrix has had." Gibson kept me in the dark and fed me shit for almost two years before Echoplexes came back on the market after the big hiatus. Electrix has handled this in far superior form. They stayed in contact, they put up with the bitching, much of which was just plain childish, and they didn't just cave and put out a buggy product. I've been dealing with equipment vendors on and off for 10 years. Compared to most of them, Electrix is a class act. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 16:38:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20686; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:34:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:34:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeated frenzy Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:32:19 -0700 Organization: Darklock Communications Message-ID: <3m58ot027ncha2thkin34cvoimupq9gps4@4ax.com> References: <78.1997d98e.28b56737@aol.com> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9w8mCB.A.4AF.0cBh7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:29:38 -0700, "Jonathan El-Bizri" wrote: >I can't take any more. Stop now guys, or I'll get Caliban to make another >post. Too late, I already did! Bwahahaha. ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 16:38:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21232; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:37:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:37:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010822163526.02f7c188@pop1.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:36:01 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: Re: Repeater frenzy In-Reply-To: <200108222033.NAA29400@well.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ok. i'll just shut the f--k up then and wait for this d--m thing to show up. At 04:33 PM 8/22/2001, you wrote: > plexus@sympatico.ca writes: > >"i know you are just having some fun and that's cool. frankly, i think >electrix handled this whole repeater thing badly. they still are. recall >that the original release date was set for sometime around september 2000! >i can't think of many other music equipment companies that have had the >same kind of delays and lack of information on those delays (no pun >intended) that electrix has had." > > > > >Gibson kept me in the dark and fed me shit for almost two years before >Echoplexes came back on the market after the big hiatus. Electrix has >handled this in far superior form. They stayed in contact, they put up >with the bitching, much of which was just plain childish, and they didn't >just cave and put out a buggy product. I've been dealing with equipment >vendors on and off for 10 years. Compared to most of them, Electrix is a >class act. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 16:52:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22122; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:48:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:48:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:46:21 -0700 From: "Miko Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Repeater frenzy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA21969 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm soooo glad I'm not in this particular feeding frenzy! (Not yet, anyway...) Miko Biffle - Miko.Biffle@asml.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" >>> Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com 08/22/01 12:20PM >>> blood's on the water. this is too cool - - first all the turmoil over the delay in manufacturing, now the turmoil of "when does it hit the stores?" i think there oughta be a 12-step program for all the equipment junkies on this list (and i'm one too!). good luck to all who are waiting for one! stig From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 16:54:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22308; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:50:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:50:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013701c12b4c$a08ba620$6401a8c0@nc.rr.com> Reply-To: "diatom drone" From: "diatom drone" To: References: <20010822.110714.119.19.tony-moore@juno.com> <02dc01c12b40$c412eb00$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: sharp MD beep kill/ground noise? Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:54:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i don't have a 702 but mine's close to that and it does allow changing volume during recording (a little jerky, but better than not having the option). i'm pretty sure to kill the beep, you go into stopped mode and hold down setup for a while and then it's among the options. once you turn it off, it's OFF. if only my cheapy portable CD player would behave so nicely with its beep! this isn't exactly in the same topic but i had a problem recording from my mixer to MD once and i thought i'd shoot for an answer. i was playing in a coffee shop, with my tape outs plugged into long RCA cables that fed the guy's stereo as he had no PA. it sounded really cool nonetheless, i was expecting a huge ground hum but there was none. my main outs (dual 1/4" phone plugs) were fed by an adaptor cable into the stereo 1/8" line in on an MD. most of the recording is great, however there are parts where there's sort of a scrapy ground hum interference. at least it sounds like that.. i could go through the disc and make an mp3 of just that sound if it'll help the diagnosis. also, when my friend tried to record an earlier show from my mixer with his 702, his meter was clipping out without any signal playing through the mixer. have i just plain been doing everything wrong here? i'd just like to avoid this in the future. any tips appreciated! Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 16:56:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22538; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:53:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:53:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater frenzy Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:51:06 -0700 Organization: Darklock Communications Message-ID: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010822152511.02f06e78@pop1.sympatico.ca> <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB733@migarexch01.marit z.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20010822152511.02f06e78@pop1.sympatico.ca> <5.1.0.14.0.20010822163055.02f577f8@pop1.sympatico.ca> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010822163055.02f577f8@pop1.sympatico.ca> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:32:09 -0400, Brett Maraldo wrote: >At 04:27 PM 8/22/2001, you wrote: >>On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:32:28 -0400, Brett Maraldo >>wrote: >> >> >Frankly I think they should have done what any other mature equipment >> >company does >> >>Like, say, Sony. > >exactly! you just described what electrix did with the repeater (except for >the 3-year hype). Well, if it gets them a rabidly loyal fan base, I wouldn't exactly call them "amateurs". More like "masters"... But from what I've heard and seen, Electrix makes the best damn hardware you can buy. I know a great many people who are *still* jumping up and down over the Filter Factory. There are really VERY few companies that produce things this interesting; usually, when I buy some gear, I'm bored with it inside of a week... a month at the outside. And when I see people dancing around and turning backflips over something YEARS after they got it, the only thing I can compare that to is my Strat. I love my Strat. You can have my Strat when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers. And I have NEVER seen a company that produces *effects* inspire that kind of excitement. Not that I've ever actually *used* Electrix products. I can't give it my personal thumbs-up and say "these products kick ass", but I see the way other musicians are bouncing around like crazy people and... well, they've got SOMETHING over there. Maybe it's just some kind of happy radiation that comes off their custom ICs. ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 17:03:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24251; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:01:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:01:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010822152511.02f06e78@pop1.sympatico.ca> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010822152511.02f06e78@pop1.sympatico.ca> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:59:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: Repeater frenzy Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1213608452==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1213608452==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 3:32 PM -0400 8/22/01, Brett Maraldo wrote: >i know you are just having some fun and that's cool. frankly, i >think electrix handled this whole repeater thing badly. they still >are. recall that the original release date was set for sometime >around september 2000! i can't think of many other music equipment >companies that have had the same kind of delays and lack of >information on those delays (no pun intended) that electrix has had. You obviously weren't waiting for the sampler option for the K2000 or the Event EZ-Bus (to name two). Same sort of deal. I've worked in big and small companies, and I've seen good and bad project management in both sizes. Project management on complicated tech products can be sort of a black art. The pressures to get things out can be fairly overwhelming, leading even fairly experienced programmers to err on the optimistic side. I came back from winter NAMM in Januarary after getting a Repeater demo thinking: a - this is a really cool product b - summer at the earliest c - I really want one Well, it's still a really cool product, they actually hit summer, I still really want one. Smallish under-resourced companies should be cut some slack, IMO. There are VERY few big companies in the Music Instrument market; it's mostly done out of a driving passion to make a great thing. Chris -- http://www.xfade.com/ | In theory, there's no difference between cbm@well.com | theory and practice. In practice, there is. --============_-1213608452==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Repeater frenzy
At 3:32 PM -0400 8/22/01, Brett Maraldo wrote:
i know you are just having some fun and that's cool. frankly, i think electrix handled this whole repeater thing badly. they still are. recall that the original release date was set for sometime around september 2000! i can't think of many other music equipment companies that have had the same kind of delays and lack of information on those delays (no pun intended) that electrix has had.

You obviously weren't waiting for the sampler option for the K2000 or the Event EZ-Bus (to name two). Same sort of deal. I've worked in big and small companies, and I've seen good and bad project management in both sizes. Project management on complicated tech products can be sort of a black art. The pressures to get things out can be fairly overwhelming, leading even fairly experienced programmers to err on the optimistic side.

I came back from winter NAMM in Januarary after getting a Repeater demo thinking:
a - this is a really cool product
b - summer at the earliest
c - I really want one
Well, it's still a really cool product, they actually hit summer, I still really want one.

Smallish under-resourced companies should be cut some slack, IMO. There are VERY few big companies in the Music Instrument market; it's mostly done out of a driving passion to make a great thing.

Chris

--
 http://www.xfade.com/ | In theory, there's no difference between
    cbm@well.com       | theory and practice. In practice, there is.
--============_-1213608452==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 17:05:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24312; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:02:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:02:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:01:20 -0700 From: "Miko Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: OT: giant pipes down Portola Avenue in Santa Cruz and other natural reverbs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA24243 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was just skateboarding at lunch... we've been bombing hills out in the Santa Cruz mountains. Anyway, we dropped down this fast pitch of a divided, 2 level street, where one direction is about 10 feet higher than the opposite direction. The lower path wall being reinforced with the corrugated siding, separated by something like 6" x 6" wood posts. The first time we passed it my partner said he thought he had a wheel coming loose or something. The next time around, I listened for it, and it was the sound of my wheels on the asphalt reflected back, doppler effect and all. We probably go past that wall at about 25 mph, maybe 3-5 feet away from it. -Miko >>> "Michael LaMeyer" 08/22/01 10:03AM >>> If you play something really loud (further back is better) at the broad side of a building covered with vertical corrugated siding, and then dance wildly back and forth between the building and the sound source, you get the equivalent of a physical comb filter/phaser. If you can find two buildings like this parallel to each other, it hurts. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Trenkel" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 2:17 AM Subject: Re: OT: giant pipes down Portola Avenue in Santa Cruz and other natural reverbs > >On Mon, 20 Aug 2001 23:35:07 -0700, "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" > > wrote: > > > >>WHAT KICK ASS SONIC ANOMALIES DO YOU KNOW OF IN YOUR HOMETOWN........WHAT > >>WIERD ASSED PIECE OF ARCHITECTURE OR SCULPTURES OR PLUMBING EXISTS TO BE > > >STRUCK OR BLOWN ON OR OTHERWISE PUSHED INTO RESONANCE........ > > > Where I grew up, on a farm in Eastern Oregon, there was a pipeline > for an irrigation project that came out a few miles away. Metal pipe, > 8ft diameter, about 50 miles long. In high school, we used to take > instruments, battery-powered amps, tape decks, etc, as far into the > pipe as we dared and play/record. We never really knew when water may > be run through, so there was always some element of risk. Great > acoustics, though. > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- > Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music > http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org > Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit > "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" > -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer > -------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 17:05:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24372; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:03:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:03:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010822165813.02fac7f8@pop1.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:02:04 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: Re: Repeater frenzy In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010822163055.02f577f8@pop1.sympatico.ca> <5.1.0.14.0.20010822152511.02f06e78@pop1.sympatico.ca> <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB733@migarexch01.marit z.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20010822152511.02f06e78@pop1.sympatico.ca> <5.1.0.14.0.20010822163055.02f577f8@pop1.sympatico.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Indeed, Electrix's other products are pretty damn amazing. I had two filter factories and a mofx connected up with a jamman as my 'looping factory'. i sold the jamman to make financial room for the repeater and this is mostly why i am dismayed - because i sold my only looper only to dive into these product release delays. if/when the repeater is integrated into my loop station, its going to be fantastic! i've been playing with various combination of filter factories and mofx's and i think the best combo is two FF and a mofx connected in series. wow - you can create some pretty serious rhythmic effects with this. we shall see. brett At 04:51 PM 8/22/2001, you wrote: >On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:32:09 -0400, Brett Maraldo >wrote: > > >At 04:27 PM 8/22/2001, you wrote: > >>On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:32:28 -0400, Brett Maraldo > >>wrote: > >> > >> >Frankly I think they should have done what any other mature equipment > >> >company does > >> > >>Like, say, Sony. > > > >exactly! you just described what electrix did with the repeater (except for > >the 3-year hype). > >Well, if it gets them a rabidly loyal fan base, I wouldn't exactly call >them "amateurs". More like "masters"... > >But from what I've heard and seen, Electrix makes the best damn hardware >you can buy. I know a great many people who are *still* jumping up and >down over the Filter Factory. There are really VERY few companies that >produce things this interesting; usually, when I buy some gear, I'm >bored with it inside of a week... a month at the outside. And when I see >people dancing around and turning backflips over something YEARS after >they got it, the only thing I can compare that to is my Strat. I love my >Strat. You can have my Strat when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers. >And I have NEVER seen a company that produces *effects* inspire that >kind of excitement. > >Not that I've ever actually *used* Electrix products. I can't give it my >personal thumbs-up and say "these products kick ass", but I see the way >other musicians are bouncing around like crazy people and... well, >they've got SOMETHING over there. Maybe it's just some kind of happy >radiation that comes off their custom ICs. ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 17:06:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24600; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:04:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:04:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:03:49 -0700 From: "Miko Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: mics, MD field recordings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA24575 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have the baby Sony stereo mic which come with the newer version of the Walkman pro. It has a plug right on the mic, which can be plugged right into the input of the md player for a one handed carry. It's not as good as using a pair of condenser mics and the mic pre's in my Mackie, but it's not TOO far off. -Miko >>> simon@jkean.freeserve.co.uk 08/22/01 11:02AM >>> I have an upcoming vacation starting next week. Planning on hauling along my tiny Sharp MD & baby Sony Mic. I got some good results travelling through Europe last year. This year it's the States - bring on those industrial tones New York!. Simon --------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://mp3.com/ulcerate www.ulcerate.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Leas" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 6:45 PM Subject: Re: mics, MD field recordings > I have likewise been using a Sharp MD-MS702. In my case with a Sony ECM > 727P. One of the best toys I ever bought. > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 17:13:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25617; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:12:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:12:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB739@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Repeater frenzy Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:11:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C12B4E.F38508B0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12B4E.F38508B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" And I have NEVER seen a company that produces *effects* inspire that kind of excitement. ** Lovetone! (hey i said i was a junkie, didn't i?) and speaking of which, there was a little wait for that stuff too. and i've been waiting 10 months for my 12-string bass (6x2) and won't see it 'til the end of the year, most likely. sometimes (as the cliche goes) good things come to those that wait. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12B4E.F38508B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: Repeater frenzy

And I have NEVER seen a company that produces *effects* inspire that
kind of excitement.

** Lovetone! (hey i said i was a junkie, didn't i?)


and speaking of which, there was a little wait for that stuff too.

and i've been waiting 10 months for my 12-string bass (6x2) and won't see it 'til the end of the year, most likely.

sometimes (as the cliche goes) good things come to those that wait.

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C12B4E.F38508B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 17:14:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25382; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:11:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:11:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: giant pipes down Portola Avenue in Santa Cruz and other natural reverbs Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:08:25 -0700 Organization: Darklock Communications Message-ID: <5o78ot4emjusa1c7r8a1obdo1oef4sf439@4ax.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:01:20 -0700, "Miko Biffle" wrote: >I was just skateboarding at lunch... we've been bombing hills Thank GOD. Sometimes I think I'm the last speed-downhill skater left on the planet... not that I get to do it much out around here. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 17:16:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25698; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:13:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:13:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:11:59 -0700 From: "Miko Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Repeater frenzy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA25619 Resent-Message-ID: <1x6sGD.A.iQG.DBCh7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Plexus > Frankly I think they should have done what any other mature equipment company does and not say anything about anything until they actually have something to ship. Good grief... they were KIND enough to query us on our particular desires in a looper. Most other manufacturers don't give anyone the time of day! Their kindness has resulted in them being bashed repeatedly (pun intended) for their efforts. When someone gives me a best guess on something, I take it with a grain of salt. If they're then honest enough to say they've had problems, I respect that as well. I'm ashamed of our behaviour in some of the posts regarding Electrix. It's time to grow up a bit. I'm waiting to hear some rational feedback on the product... -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 17:19:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26134; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:16:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:16:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:15:18 -0700 From: "Miko Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: OT: giant pipes down Portola Avenue in Santa Cruz and other natural reverbs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA26083 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There's a MAJOR slalom, gs and downhill thing happening currently. This has led to the release of great new equipment with more stable trucks, better wheels and decks than were ever in production. It's a great time to get back into it! -Miko >>> caliban@darklock.com 08/22/01 02:08PM >>> On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:01:20 -0700, "Miko Biffle" wrote: >I was just skateboarding at lunch... we've been bombing hills Thank GOD. Sometimes I think I'm the last speed-downhill skater left on the planet... not that I get to do it much out around here. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 17:21:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26499; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:20:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:20:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8422B7.FB0B21DE@cloud9.net> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:23:03 -0400 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #465 References: <200108221835.OAA06192@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That does seem like a good price. I'd like to get the "jumbo size", however. Has anyone seem good prices on larger cards? BTW, the link isn't working for me anymore. Can you tell me how you found this, Mark? Searching on the brand name got no hits, and searching on "compact flash" found nothing larger than 64MB. Thanks, Elby > Subject: Re: Where's The Repeater? > Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 11:02:29 -0700 > From: Mark Pulver > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > PaulPokr@aol.com (10:34 AM 08.22.2001) wrote: > > >Yeah, how long will it take for shipment between Electrix and Alto > Music? Is > >Alto Music in New York state (can't remember)? > > Folks have to remember that we've known for a while that Banana's had > their > purchase order into Electrix before Alto. Electrix has stated that > they > will fulfill orders in the order that _they_ got them. > > There was a quick count of boxes that went out based on the pictures > on the > Electrix site, and that ended up being appx 180 machines. Damon > loosely > confirmed that number, and said that they would continue to ship. > > No mention was made as to where Alto was in the ship-to list, nor was > any > mention made as to how many boxes went to Bananas. > > > While you're waiting, you might want to get a larger CF card. This is > a > pretty good deal, it's a high quality card, and it's on Electrix's > approved > list: > > http://www.us.buy.com/retail/searchresults.asp?qu=10153448&loc=273 > > 128meg will give you about 21 minutes of total recording time. > > > Gotta buy it before the 15th to get the rebate. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 17:25:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26864; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:23:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:23:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB73A@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Repeater frenzy Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:21:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C12B50.6C52D370" Resent-Message-ID: <3cOMOC.A.PhG.VKCh7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12B50.6C52D370 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" bravo miko Good grief... they were KIND enough to query us on our particular desires in a looper. Most other manufacturers don't give anyone the time of day! Their kindness has resulted in them being bashed repeatedly (pun intended) for their efforts. When someone gives me a best guess on something, I take it with a grain of salt. If they're then honest enough to say they've had problems, I respect that as well. I'm ashamed of our behaviour in some of the posts regarding Electrix. It's time to grow up a bit. I'm waiting to hear some rational feedback on the product... -Miko ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12B50.6C52D370 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Repeater frenzy

bravo miko




Good grief... they were KIND enough to query us on = our particular desires in a looper. Most other manufacturers don't give = anyone the time of day!  Their kindness has resulted in them being = bashed repeatedly (pun intended) for their efforts. When someone gives = me a best guess on something, I take it with a grain of salt. If = they're then honest enough to say they've had problems, I respect that = as well.

I'm ashamed of our behaviour in some of the posts = regarding Electrix. It's time to grow up a bit. I'm waiting to hear = some rational feedback on the product...

-Miko

------_=_NextPart_001_01C12B50.6C52D370-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 17:32:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27843; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:29:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:29:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <143.57f482.28b57e09@aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:28:41 EDT Subject: Re: Where's The Repeater? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_143.57f482.28b57e09_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_143.57f482.28b57e09_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/22/01 3:51:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, m.lameyer@verizon.net writes: > Perhaps even if the companies on this list would email their > customers with any kind of status, that would alleviate some > tension?.....i would hate to be around if anyone gets one of these and it doesn't work.....this is like the "second coming" for cryin out loud.....and they said the "basic intro" thread was boreing!.....:)m --part1_143.57f482.28b57e09_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/22/01 3:51:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
m.lameyer@verizon.net writes:


Perhaps even if the companies on this list would email their
customers with any kind of status, that would alleviate some
tension


tension?.....i would hate to be around if anyone gets one of these and it
doesn't work.....this is like the "second coming" for cryin out loud.....and
they said the "basic intro" thread was boreing!.....:)m --part1_143.57f482.28b57e09_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 17:32:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27923; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:30:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:30:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B842691.12C2@Hevanet.Com.> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:39:29 -0700 From: DaViD AuKeR X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeated frenzy References: <200108222034.QAA20729@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jamie said: > Everything leaves from > Portland, **So near, yet so far...** Davgottahav (in Portland) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 17:32:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27788; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:28:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:28:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:29:19 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater frenzy Message-ID: <20010822.142920.119.22.tony-moore@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-3,7-8,15-16,20-27,29-69 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Tony Moore Resent-Message-ID: <0AIIxB.A.jxG.8PCh7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com geez, i usually never chime in on these threads. but enough already! how about we wait til' we get one, give it a whirl, and then bitch and moan or praise and herald. as for the quality, i bought some of the electrix stuff when they were blowing it out. the quality of the mo-fx, filter, and vocoder are all great. i have no complaints about the hardware or software of the units. so i would expect the same of the repeater. i consider myself lucky to even have this list to hear about the repeater. remember the day we had to wait for the next issue of whatever rag, and then beg, plead and pay top dollar at the corner music store. instead we got a great deal on a group buy thru alto and get (regretably) daily, hourly, heck, by the freakin' minute updates. call alto if you're curious. the girl i spoke with was very friendly and patient, and they never asked me for a deposit. ok, gotta go, it looks like i have almost 20 silly message to delete in the time it took me to type this email. i'd much rather make music than spend that much time bitching about a tool that's supposed to help me make music. tony On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:27:02 -0700 Caliban Tiresias Darklock writes: > On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:32:28 -0400, Brett Maraldo > > wrote: > > >Frankly I think they should have done what any other mature > equipment > >company does > > Like, say, Sony. > > Build a next-generation hardware device that makes everything else > in > the field look sick. Hype it for three years. Take preorders well in > advance. > > Then slip your release date several months and finally ship much > fewer > units than promised, creating an artificial demand which inspires > consumers to pay inflated prices and have way too high an opinion of > your product. > > Inexplicably turn your deliberate refusal to satisfy customer > demands > for timely delivery and an efficient supply chain into a rabidly > loyal > fan base willing to argue for months about why your product is as > cooler > than some other product, even when that other product is far from > being > released and has specs that make your product look like a toy. > > >Elexctrix, despite being a division of IVL, are clearly amateurs > when it > >comes to releasing product. > > Personally, I am a lot more concerned with the quality of the > product > than I am with how fast it gets into my hands. Buggy software can be > patched, but buggy hardware is forever. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 17:35:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28473; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:33:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:33:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010822142614.01b51000@mulder.intermag.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.midiwall.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:32:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: CompactFlash (was: Re: Where's The Repeater?) Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3B8422B7.FB0B21DE@cloud9.net> References: <200108221835.OAA06192@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mountain Man (02:23 PM 08.22.2001) wrote: >That does seem like a good price. I'd like to get the "jumbo size", >however. Has anyone seem good prices on larger cards? I think that the largest CF's out today are 256meg, I know that's the largest we've seen for work. They look pretty pricey... the 256meg CF from Simple is $246 at buy.com. There's a Memorex for $185, I dunno how that rates in speed though. >BTW, the link isn't working for me anymore. Can you tell me how you >found this, Mark? Searching on the brand name got no hits, and >searching on "compact flash" found nothing larger than 64MB. YIKES! I had originally found it searching for "flash simple"... Lemme look... Ahh... here it is: http://www.us.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10153448&hdwt=31107&loc=14617 Interesting... There's a new key in the URL argument list. Looks like they cut over to a new indexing scheme on the fly. :) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 17:42:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28886; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:38:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:38:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <020d01c12b51$ecac8880$6b44230a@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010822163055.02f577f8@pop1.sympatico.ca> <5.1.0.14.0.20010822152511.02f06e78@pop1.sympatico.ca> <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB733@migarexch01.marit z.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20010822152511.02f06e78@pop1.sympatico.ca> <5.1.0.14.0.20010822163055.02f577f8@pop1.sympatico.ca> <5.1.0.14.0.20010822165813.02fac7f8@pop1.sympatico.ca> Subject: Electrix routing (was Re: Repeater frenzy) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:32:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just got a MOFX and FilterFactory recently, and this is the first thing I did! Only one FF, but I had a Vortex in the mix too. Had a lovely time with the wavedrum into this setup. I of course had the delays of the MOFX and the Vortex feeding back into each other, and using the sweep pedal to modulate the delay times on the Vortex. *cackle* Love, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brett Maraldo" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 5:02 PM Subject: Re: Repeater frenzy > Indeed, Electrix's other products are pretty damn amazing. I had two filter > factories and a mofx connected up with a jamman as my 'looping factory'. i > sold the jamman to make financial room for the repeater and this is mostly > why i am dismayed - because i sold my only looper only to dive into these > product release delays. > > if/when the repeater is integrated into my loop station, its going to be > fantastic! i've been playing with various combination of filter factories > and mofx's and i think the best combo is two FF and a mofx connected in > series. wow - you can create some pretty serious rhythmic effects with this. > > we shall see. > > brett > > At 04:51 PM 8/22/2001, you wrote: > >On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:32:09 -0400, Brett Maraldo > >wrote: > > > > >At 04:27 PM 8/22/2001, you wrote: > > >>On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:32:28 -0400, Brett Maraldo > > >>wrote: > > >> > > >> >Frankly I think they should have done what any other mature equipment > > >> >company does > > >> > > >>Like, say, Sony. > > > > > >exactly! you just described what electrix did with the repeater (except for > > >the 3-year hype). > > > >Well, if it gets them a rabidly loyal fan base, I wouldn't exactly call > >them "amateurs". More like "masters"... > > > >But from what I've heard and seen, Electrix makes the best damn hardware > >you can buy. I know a great many people who are *still* jumping up and > >down over the Filter Factory. There are really VERY few companies that > >produce things this interesting; usually, when I buy some gear, I'm > >bored with it inside of a week... a month at the outside. And when I see > >people dancing around and turning backflips over something YEARS after > >they got it, the only thing I can compare that to is my Strat. I love my > >Strat. You can have my Strat when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers. > >And I have NEVER seen a company that produces *effects* inspire that > >kind of excitement. > > > >Not that I've ever actually *used* Electrix products. I can't give it my > >personal thumbs-up and say "these products kick ass", but I see the way > >other musicians are bouncing around like crazy people and... well, > >they've got SOMETHING over there. Maybe it's just some kind of happy > >radiation that comes off their custom ICs. ;) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 17:43:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28882; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:38:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:38:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Mike McGary" To: Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #465 Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:38:13 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3B8422B7.FB0B21DE@cloud9.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Go to www.us.buy.com, Search for "flash card", make sure you choose "search Computers"...that got me a whole list with the one that was referenced by Mark: 128MB COMPACT FLASH CARD TYPE 1 Manufacturer: SIMPLE TECHNOLOGY Type: Supplies Platform: Not Machine Specific The rebate coupon is there, too. They have bigger cards available, but I would check the www.electrixpro.com site to see if the particular card you are looking at will work. Mike McGary > -----Original Message----- > From: Mountain Man [mailto:mtman@cloud9.net] > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 4:23 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #465 > > > That does seem like a good price. I'd like to get the "jumbo size", > however. Has anyone seem good prices on larger cards? > > BTW, the link isn't working for me anymore. Can you tell me how you > found this, Mark? Searching on the brand name got no hits, and > searching on "compact flash" found nothing larger than 64MB. > > Thanks, > Elby > > > > Subject: Re: Where's The Repeater? > > Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 11:02:29 -0700 > > From: Mark Pulver > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > PaulPokr@aol.com (10:34 AM 08.22.2001) wrote: > > > > >Yeah, how long will it take for shipment between Electrix and Alto > > Music? Is > > >Alto Music in New York state (can't remember)? > > > > Folks have to remember that we've known for a while that Banana's had > > their > > purchase order into Electrix before Alto. Electrix has stated that > > they > > will fulfill orders in the order that _they_ got them. > > > > There was a quick count of boxes that went out based on the pictures > > on the > > Electrix site, and that ended up being appx 180 machines. Damon > > loosely > > confirmed that number, and said that they would continue to ship. > > > > No mention was made as to where Alto was in the ship-to list, nor was > > any > > mention made as to how many boxes went to Bananas. > > > > > > While you're waiting, you might want to get a larger CF card. This is > > a > > pretty good deal, it's a high quality card, and it's on Electrix's > > approved > > list: > > > > http://www.us.buy.com/retail/searchresults.asp?qu=10153448&loc=273 > > > > 128meg will give you about 21 minutes of total recording time. > > > > > > Gotta buy it before the 15th to get the rebate. > > > > Mark > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 17:44:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29338; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:41:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:41:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <143.57f482.28b57e09@aol.com> Subject: Re: Where's The Repeater? Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:40:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01C12B18.6B3A0AE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Aug 2001 21:40:42.0601 (UTC) FILETIME=[17E15D90:01C12B53] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C12B18.6B3A0AE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >tension?.....i would hate to be around if anyone gets one of these and = it=20 >doesn't work.....this is like the "second coming" for cryin out = loud.....and=20 >they said the "basic intro" thread was boreing!.....:)m=20 A good point. Note to Repeater reps on this list: the crying and screaming that you = are hearing is childish and unacceptable. However, some musicians have = been trying to acheive your units capabilities cobbling together stuff = for decades. Under the circumstances everyones going to be a little = 'tense'. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C12B18.6B3A0AE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

>tension?.....i would hate to be around if anyone gets one = of these=20 and it
>doesn't work.....this is like the "second coming" for = cryin out=20 loud.....and
>they said the "basic intro" thread was=20 boreing!.....:)m
 
A good point.
 
Note to Repeater reps on this list: the crying and = screaming=20 that you are hearing is childish and unacceptable. However, some = musicians have=20 been trying to acheive your units capabilities cobbling together stuff = for=20 decades. Under the circumstances everyones going to be a little=20 'tense'.
------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C12B18.6B3A0AE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 17:49:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30263; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:47:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:47:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:51:13 -0700 Subject: Re: Where's The Repeater? From: Kevin Goldsmith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010822143206.02fadfc8@pop1.sympatico.ca> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0aOr9B.A.0XH.ShCh7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> While you're waiting, you might want to get a larger CF card. This is a >> pretty good deal, it's a high quality card, and it's on Electrix's >> approved list: >> >> http://www.us.buy.com/retail/searchresults.asp?qu=10153448&loc=273 >> >> 128meg will give you about 21 minutes of total recording time. >> Which card was that? That link gives me a "did not return any results" page. Kevin -- Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 17:53:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30784; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:50:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:50:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater frenzy Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:48:30 -0700 Organization: Darklock Communications Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:11:59 -0700, "Miko Biffle" wrote: > Their kindness has resulted in them being bashed repeatedly (pun > intended) for their efforts. The amount of whining your customers do is always directly proportional to how much you accommodate their wishes. Or, more succinctly: customers suck. :P From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 17:55:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31690; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:54:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:54:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:53:46 EDT Subject: speaking of equipment To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_e2.1993ca87.28b583ea_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_e2.1993ca87.28b583ea_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the new "guitar player" mag had a review of the line 6 filter modeler, they seemed to really like it.....there was also a blurb and picture of a guitar with a kaoss pad built into it, how crazy is that?.....it will never end.....also, a lot of folk on the list seemed to bash "guitar center" stores, i went to my first one yesterday (new to pittsburgh) and was quite pleased, got to play with the DL4 in fact it was connected in series with all the line 6 modelers, great fun, also got to fool with the KARMA keyboard and a bunch of other wacky stuff (messed with a HANDSONIC for a long time, i liked it) in all, a fun hour or so.....the sales help was lacking in knowledge i must admit but their inventory was pretty good for what they called a C- store, they seem to have a growth potential in that they can become an A store and have all the goodies, an odd concept,"the more we sell the better we will become", why not start out the best you can be, i dont understand this.....but enuf of this, lets read more "repeater" posts.....:)m --part1_e2.1993ca87.28b583ea_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the new "guitar player" mag had a review of the line 6 filter modeler, they
seemed to really like it.....there was also a blurb and picture of a guitar
with a kaoss pad built into it, how crazy is that?.....it will never
end.....also, a lot of folk on the list seemed to bash "guitar center"
stores, i went to my first one yesterday (new to pittsburgh) and was quite
pleased, got to play with the DL4 in fact it was connected in series with all
the line 6 modelers, great fun, also got to fool with the KARMA keyboard and
a bunch of other wacky stuff (messed with a HANDSONIC for a long time, i
liked it) in all, a fun hour or so.....the sales help was lacking in
knowledge i must admit but their inventory was pretty good for what they
called a C- store, they seem to have a growth potential in that they can
become an A store and have all the goodies, an odd concept,"the more we sell
the better we will become", why not start out the best you can be, i dont
understand this.....but enuf of this, lets read more "repeater" posts.....:)m --part1_e2.1993ca87.28b583ea_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 17:55:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31687; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:54:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:54:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010822143831.00b03b90@mulder.intermag.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.midiwall.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:53:28 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: CompactFlash (was: Re: Where's The Repeater?) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010822142614.01b51000@mulder.intermag.com> References: <3B8422B7.FB0B21DE@cloud9.net> <200108221835.OAA06192@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Pulver (02:32 PM 08.22.2001) wrote: >Mountain Man (02:23 PM 08.22.2001) wrote: > > >That does seem like a good price. I'd like to get the "jumbo size", > >however. Has anyone seem good prices on larger cards? > >I think that the largest CF's out today are 256meg, I know that's >the largest we've seen for work. They look pretty pricey... the >256meg CF from Simple is $246 at buy.com. > >There's a Memorex for $185, I dunno how that rates in speed though. I found a cheaper one... Viking, $144 after rebate: http://www.us.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10302882&hdwt=30421&loc=14617 Buy before 8/31 to get the rebate. BUT! Going to Viking's site (http://config.vikingcomponents.com) and using the "configurator" gives me a page not found when I try to get detailed specs (like real (i.e. sustained) throughput rates) on the CF256M (or the CF512M). The Simple, which Electrix says is fast enough for recording in stereo, is rated at 500KB/s. And... it does look like the 512's are starting to come out... but they're gonna be REAL pricey. Repeater is designed to handle up to 512MB of external storage. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 18:13:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02018; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 18:11:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 18:11:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B842E57.124682D2@pathcom.com> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 18:12:40 -0400 From: hutton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Where's The Repeater? References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010822122755.03099ee8@pop1.sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I received mine this afternoon ..... It was worth the wait! Brett Maraldo wrote: > Hi there. Has anyone gotten a Repeater from the regular channel? I'm > starting to get annoyed. > > thanks > plexus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 18:17:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02833; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 18:16:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 18:16:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:19:44 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeated frenzy From: Kevin Goldsmith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3B842691.12C2@Hevanet.Com.> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 8/22/01 2:39 PM, "DaViD AuKeR" wrote: > Jamie said: >> Everything leaves from >> Portland, > > **So near, yet so far...** > > Davgottahav > (in Portland) > Hey, how about shipping orders based on geographical proximity to Victoria, BC? Kevin (In Seattle) -- Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 18:18:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02867; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 18:16:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 18:16:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Probably my last post Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:14:21 -0700 Organization: Darklock Communications Message-ID: References: <200108222154.RAA31815@hemlock.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <200108222154.RAA31815@hemlock.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1xP2u.A.ks.x8Ch7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:54:39 -0400, Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: >Your mail address caliban@darklock.com has been removed >from the Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com mailinglist. >It generated an excessive amount of bounced mails. [...] >>Your message cannot be delivered to the following recipients: >> >> Recipient address: zvonar@sims2.snfc21.pbi.net >> Reason: recipient reached disk quota I'm sick and fucking tired of getting these. It's not worth it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 18:28:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04039; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 18:26:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 18:26:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <200108222154.RAA31815@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Probably my last post Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:25:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Aug 2001 22:25:47.0201 (UTC) FILETIME=[63F29310:01C12B59] Resent-Message-ID: <72dxq.A.z-.KGDh7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would recomend getting a hotmail account strictly for this list. It has the added advantage of keeping your 'real' email address out of the archives, and consequently off any more spammers lists than it already is. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Caliban Tiresias Darklock" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 3:14 PM Subject: Probably my last post > On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:54:39 -0400, > Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > >Your mail address caliban@darklock.com has been removed > >from the Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com mailinglist. > >It generated an excessive amount of bounced mails. > [...] > >>Your message cannot be delivered to the following recipients: > >> > >> Recipient address: zvonar@sims2.snfc21.pbi.net > >> Reason: recipient reached disk quota > > I'm sick and fucking tired of getting these. It's not worth it. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 18:57:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05246; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 18:46:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 18:46:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: CompactFlash (was: Re: Where's The Repeater?) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:46:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <0vAd5.A.CRB.MYDh7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I found a cheaper one... Viking, $144 after rebate: DON'T BUY THE VIKING CARDS! They will work with Repeater but are very slow and will not record in stereo. The best cards you can buy are the SIMPLE TECHNOLOGIES cards (mentioned earlier). They are fast enough to do anything the internal memory can do. In short the simple cards are sweeeet. Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 18:58:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05330; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 18:47:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 18:47:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010822154428.0208b910@mail.mindspring.com> X-Files: The truth is out there. Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:46:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Subject: Re: Probably my last post In-Reply-To: References: <200108222154.RAA31815@hemlock.violacea.com> <200108222154.RAA31815@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Are you actually getting removed from the list, or are you just receiving msgs that you've been removed from the list? You would think that the bounced recipients would get ejected rather than the sender... At 03:14 PM 2001/08/22 -0700, caliban wrote: >On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:54:39 -0400, >Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > >Your mail address caliban@darklock.com has been removed > >from the Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com mailinglist. > >It generated an excessive amount of bounced mails. >[...] > >>Your message cannot be delivered to the following recipients: > >> > >> Recipient address: zvonar@sims2.snfc21.pbi.net > >> Reason: recipient reached disk quota > >I'm sick and fucking tired of getting these. It's not worth it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 19:06:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07387; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 19:03:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 19:03:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB741@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Probably my last post Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 19:02:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C12B5E.79B99450" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12B5E.79B99450 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" what you say makes sense, but i too got a message saying i was bounced for the same reason. i resubscribed - - and was wondering if i'd mispell and put things in the wrong fields (and then you all would rip me up). sl -----Original Message----- From: Sean [mailto:sean_@mindspring.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 3:46 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Probably my last post Are you actually getting removed from the list, or are you just receiving msgs that you've been removed from the list? You would think that the bounced recipients would get ejected rather than the sender... At 03:14 PM 2001/08/22 -0700, caliban wrote: >On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:54:39 -0400, >Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > >Your mail address caliban@darklock.com has been removed > >from the Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com mailinglist. > >It generated an excessive amount of bounced mails. >[...] > >>Your message cannot be delivered to the following recipients: > >> > >> Recipient address: zvonar@sims2.snfc21.pbi.net > >> Reason: recipient reached disk quota > >I'm sick and fucking tired of getting these. It's not worth it. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12B5E.79B99450 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Probably my last post

what you say makes sense, but i too got a message = saying i was bounced for the same reason. i resubscribed - - and was = wondering if i'd mispell and put things in the wrong fields (and then = you all would rip me up).

sl

-----Original Message-----
From: Sean [mailto:sean_@mindspring.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 3:46 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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Are you actually getting removed from the list, or = are you just receiving
msgs that you've been removed from the list?

You would think that the bounced recipients would get = ejected rather than
the sender...


At 03:14 PM 2001/08/22 -0700, caliban wrote:
>On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:54:39 -0400,
>Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com = wrote:
>
> >Your mail address caliban@darklock.com has = been removed
> >from the = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com mailinglist.
> >It generated an excessive amount of bounced = mails.
>[...]
> >>Your message cannot be delivered to the = following recipients:
> >>
> >>  Recipient address: = zvonar@sims2.snfc21.pbi.net
> >>  Reason: recipient reached disk = quota
>
>I'm sick and fucking tired of getting these. = It's not worth it.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C12B5E.79B99450-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 19:21:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08671; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 19:20:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 19:20:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <6b.19662104.28b59827@aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 19:20:07 EDT Subject: Re: CompactFlash (was: Re: Where's The Repeater?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <0f4DkB.A.THC.04Dh7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com damon said, >The best cards you can buy are the SIMPLE >TECHNOLOGIES cards (mentioned earlier). They are fast enough to do anything >the internal memory can do. In short the simple cards are sweeeet. i have a simple 128, and agree w/mssr langlois. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 19:24:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09094; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 19:23:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 19:23:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010822191945.007e59b0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 19:19:45 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: speaking of equipment OTOTOTOT In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:53 PM 8/22/01 EDT, you wrote: >the new "guitar player" mag had a review of the line 6 filter modeler, they >seemed to really like it.....there was also a blurb and picture of a guitar >with a kaoss pad built into it, how crazy is that?.....it will never >end... I never thought I'd be saying this, but I got ahold of one of the cheapo miniature series Danelectro pedals today (the ones named after food) and I actually like it a lot! It's the 'Rocky Road' Leslie simulator; two knobs (speed & gain), a toggle (slow/fast) and two footswitches (ramp up/down & bypass). The ramp switch actually makes it usable, and it sounds pretty good. It sort of resembles a small brown owl. There are a few cons, though: the biggest one is that even with the gain all the way down, it still boosts the signal. That's fine for a Jon Lord/Badfinger thing while the pedal is on, but then when you switch it off the signal drops way too much. It generates a strange little noise when it's on but you're not playing; I can live with that, though, besides, real Leslies do that too... My other gripe is that because it's so small and has two footswitches, they're really close together, and the whole pedal sits lower than, say, a Boss box, so it can be a bit of a tapdance on a crowded pedalboard. I may have to get some pointy toed cowboy boots... I don't know if it's got any trimpots inside, but I'd really like to fix that gain imbalance thing. Does anyone have a suggestion for an easy mod like an added resistor or something? -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 19:26:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09273; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 19:25:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 19:25:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: Repeater Memory Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:28:07 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010822142614.01b51000@mulder.intermag.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm amazed that someone would consider buying flash memory that is not recommended due to buggy performance. With all of the problems Electrix has dealt with, I'm going to listen to their advice. They have already tested several brands of compact flash and the techies at Electrix all agree that Simple Technologies is the way to go (Actually, Simple Technologies has the fastest cards on the market, period.) You can get a 128MB card for $89 at PCSTOP.COM 877-3PC-STOP or EMS computing 800-939-3948 (I got this info from Pricewatch.com). Regarding the compact flash limitations and features on the Repeater: 999 total loops can fit on any single flash card, regardless of the size of the card. No single loop can be longer than 8 minutes, regardless of the size of the card; and if multiple tracks are being used within the loop, the loop limit might drop as low as 6.5 minutes (this is from a lengthy phone call with Electrix). There seemed to be some ambiguity regarding the amount of space required when some or all of the internal tracks are used in a loop (the literal limit seems to vary depending on how many tracks are actually used). But the diminished loop time limit is still relatively minor drawback IMO. 10 MB of compact flash memory = 1 minute of stereo sampling 5 MB of compact flash memory = 1 minute of mono sampling The repeater comes with a 16 MB card that is capable of handling approximately a minute and a half (plus) of stereo sampling or over three minutes of mono sampling. There is also 8 MB of internal memory that acts like RAM and provides a buffer to help handle the real time load. Anything stored in the 8MB of internal memory will be lost when the unit is powered down. So, a 128 MB flash card can hold almost 13 minutes of stereo sampling and over 25 minutes of mono sampling. Again, these cards are $89. That seems like a pretty good deal for almost a half hour of sampling time. No? What do 25 minute sampling upgrades cost on other looping devices? Anyway, some of this stuff was not clearly spelled out in the manual so I hope someone benefits from this regurgitated reply. But the important thing to keep in mind is that apparently not all compact flash cards are made alike. I am going to listen to the people who know better and get Simple Technologies memory. If having two individual cards is not a problem then 256MB of ST memory is only $180 (89x2) (remember that's almost an HOUR of sampling time). Also keep in mind that if smaller loops are all you plan on using, you can get 3-packs of 16MB cards for about $25. So for $25 I could carry over FIFTY ten second loops in my pocket. I'm already envisioning a small library of loop cards and a stylie carry case to tote my sonic textures! ;) Well, maybe not quite. But I AM gonna get a 128MB card and get down to business! Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 19:31:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09603; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 19:29:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 19:29:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 18:26:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200108222326.f7MNQWN03998@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Andy Soto Subject: OT stuff for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id TAA09538 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Some stuff for sale, Korg X-911 guitar synth, good shape, $350 Roland Re-201 spache echo very good shape $350 Mike Matthew´s SOUL KISS $150 new in box, little cool device to be played with a device in your mouth,never used, E-mail me privately, Thanx. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 20:29:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14141; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 20:28:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 20:28:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006b01c12b62$b086d3e0$0e0aa8c0@den> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010822163055.02f577f8@pop1.sympatico.ca><5.1.0.14.0.20010822152511.02f06e78@pop1.sympatico.ca><4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB733@migarexch01.marit z.com><5.1.0.14.0.20010822152511.02f06e78@pop1.sympatico.ca><5.1.0.14.0.20010822163055.02f577f8@pop1.sympatico.ca> <5.1.0.14.0.20010822165813.02fac7f8@pop1.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: Repeater frenzy Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 19:32:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > why i am dismayed - because i sold my only looper only to dive into these > product release delays. So you sold your only looper, and made a purchase on a product that wasn't shipping yet... And you're blaming your problem on Electrix?? Come on folks! Assuming the Repeater does everything it says it will - you'll all be very happy. In the meantime, give Electrix the time to overcome the laws of time and physics, and actually ship the damned things. And stop blaming your gearlust on them. Dig From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 20:40:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14766; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 20:37:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 20:37:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [198.81.17.176] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: giant pipes down Portola Avenue in Santa Cruz and other natural reverbs Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 00:36:56 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2001 00:36:56.0488 (UTC) FILETIME=[B6687A80:01C12B6B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Om and In......Papa Dave A couple of natural man made resonant zones are the Wawona Tunnel in Yosemite, Calif.... 1 mile long....I've played guitar, Banjo, varius horns and singing....very log and cool reverb/echo...also colors change at the end of the tunnel if you've eaten enough mescalito cactus...also the Pinnacles National Park in Soledad,Ca...hike to the top and then sing or play a good loud flute...the echoes roll and separate and you can hear 3 or 4 or 5 ways that the echoes roll out of the Pinnacles Mountains. For the more adventurous the Grand Canyon has amazing echos all through it as you might imagine... voice and my cow horn make great echoes and seem to roll on forever...... and Machu Pichu in Peru has astonishing echoes as well... I lived there for several months and in the Sacred Valley of the Incas below Machu Pichu. Burning Man in 5 days.....Om and Out Papa Dave >regarding Chris Muir's remeniscences of giant >concrete pipes down Portola Ave in Santa Cruz, > >I remember them very well and wanted to let anybody know that there is a >very, very cool >and new reverberant space right on the Pacific Garden Mall that I just >discovered. > >It is a long hallway that is chained off in the building that now houses >the >Oneill surf and clothing shop across from the new cinemas: you have to >walk right up to the >chain link fence and suddenly there is the most beautiful and very long >reverb present: I have tried overtone singing, frame drumming and flute >playing into this space. > >The magic of it is that from ten feet away you dont' even hear it......when >you are right at the chain link fence it is completley mesmerizing. > >Here while back, I tried to get a found sound group going on the web and >tried to get people interested in posting a list of natural and man made >timbral phenomena that >we audionauts could discover while travelling around the country.........I >didn't get much >interest at all, but I would like to propose this as an off topic thread: > >WHAT KICK ASS SONIC ANOMALIES DO YOU KNOW OF IN YOUR HOMETOWN........WHAT >WIERD ASSED PIECE OF ARCHITECTURE OR SCULPTURES OR PLUMBING EXISTS TO BE >STRUCK OR BLOWN ON OR OTHERWISE PUSHED INTO RESONANCE........ > >..........there..........the challenge is out there (which I am sometimes, >as well ;-) > >yours, loop.pool (aka, Rick Walker) > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 20:49:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15183; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 20:48:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 20:48:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8452AD.287D12C8@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:47:29 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #465 References: <200108221835.OAA06192@hemlock.violacea.com> <3B8422B7.FB0B21DE@cloud9.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I got a 128 simple technology compact Flash from PC Mall. It was on the recommended list, but it sits dormant, waiting for it's host. It was $100. Mark Mountain Man wrote: > That does seem like a good price. I'd like to get the "jumbo size", > however. Has anyone seem good prices on larger cards? > > BTW, the link isn't working for me anymore. Can you tell me how you > found this, Mark? Searching on the brand name got no hits, and > searching on "compact flash" found nothing larger than 64MB. > > Thanks, > Elby > > > Subject: Re: Where's The Repeater? > > Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 11:02:29 -0700 > > From: Mark Pulver > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > PaulPokr@aol.com (10:34 AM 08.22.2001) wrote: > > > > >Yeah, how long will it take for shipment between Electrix and Alto > > Music? Is > > >Alto Music in New York state (can't remember)? > > > > Folks have to remember that we've known for a while that Banana's had > > their > > purchase order into Electrix before Alto. Electrix has stated that > > they > > will fulfill orders in the order that _they_ got them. > > > > There was a quick count of boxes that went out based on the pictures > > on the > > Electrix site, and that ended up being appx 180 machines. Damon > > loosely > > confirmed that number, and said that they would continue to ship. > > > > No mention was made as to where Alto was in the ship-to list, nor was > > any > > mention made as to how many boxes went to Bananas. > > > > > > While you're waiting, you might want to get a larger CF card. This is > > a > > pretty good deal, it's a high quality card, and it's on Electrix's > > approved > > list: > > > > http://www.us.buy.com/retail/searchresults.asp?qu=10153448&loc=273 > > > > 128meg will give you about 21 minutes of total recording time. > > > > > > Gotta buy it before the 15th to get the rebate. > > > > Mark > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 20:59:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15652; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 20:58:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 20:58:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 20:57:37 EDT Subject: Re: Repeater frenzy/speaking of music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d4.b2b149b.28b5af01_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_d4.b2b149b.28b5af01_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/22/01 8:28:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bickleypunk@pdq.net writes: > And stop blaming your gearlust on them. > who should we blame our gear lust on then?....:)m n.p. live365 "rz and friends.....psychoacustic music" great stuff!.....speaking of that, i seem to remember talk of an LD site on here, does anyone have that link? --part1_d4.b2b149b.28b5af01_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/22/01 8:28:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
bickleypunk@pdq.net writes:


And stop blaming your gearlust on them.


who should we blame our gear lust on then?....:)m

n.p. live365 "rz and friends.....psychoacustic music" great
stuff!.....speaking of that, i seem to remember talk of an LD site on here,
does anyone have that link? --part1_d4.b2b149b.28b5af01_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 21:19:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17579; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 21:18:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 21:18:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010822211410.007ed780@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 21:14:10 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: OT: giant pipes down Portola Avenue in Santa Cruz and other natural reverbs In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:36 AM 8/23/01, Papa Dave wrote: >Burning Man in 5 days..... Ought-1 in 3 days! -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 21:32:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18108; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 21:30:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 21:30:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PaulPokr@aol.com Message-ID: <69.19d8a0ca.28b5b6ad@aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 21:30:21 EDT Subject: Re: OT Where is NemoGuitt Playing These Days To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_69.19d8a0ca.28b5b6ad_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10532 Resent-Message-ID: <6sBlP.A.baE.yyFh7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_69.19d8a0ca.28b5b6ad_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey: How come no gig spams? Regards, Paul --part1_69.19d8a0ca.28b5b6ad_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey:

How come no gig spams?

Regards, Paul --part1_69.19d8a0ca.28b5b6ad_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 22:06:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25033; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 22:04:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 22:04:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <30.19a7d680.28b5be86@aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 22:03:50 EDT Subject: Re: OT Where is NemoGuitt Playing These Days To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_30.19a7d680.28b5be86_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_30.19a7d680.28b5be86_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit funny you should ask.....CY K DILLICS AMAZING LOOP CIRKUS continues its COME AND WONDER TOUR.....at CLUB CAFE in historic SOUTH SIDE, 12th st., PITTSBURGH.....SEPT. 1, at 9:30 PM.....i think there will be a cover.....but if you play, ill get ya in for free!.....:)m --part1_30.19a7d680.28b5be86_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit funny you should ask.....CY K DILLICS AMAZING LOOP CIRKUS continues its COME
AND WONDER TOUR.....at CLUB CAFE in historic SOUTH SIDE, 12th st.,
PITTSBURGH.....SEPT. 1, at 9:30 PM.....i think there will be a cover.....but
if you play, ill get ya in for free!.....:)m --part1_30.19a7d680.28b5be86_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 22:23:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26067; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 22:22:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 22:22:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.1.20010822221833.00a009a0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: taghairm@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 22:20:15 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: p koniuto Subject: semi-OT: mouth-based midi control Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Interesting little article in New Scientist re mouth-based midi control: http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99991162 Loop that. -peter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 00:21:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA00641; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 00:18:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 00:18:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8483DD.F02C60EB@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 21:17:33 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: semi-OT: mouth-based midi control References: <5.0.2.1.1.20010822221833.00a009a0@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When I used to read guitar player, I remember Steve Vai's first article that he wrote for them. It was about the proper use of facial expressions. Oh that Steve, he should endorse this product. My only concern is making sure your mouth is in front of the camera. It's bad enough that I'm tied to my rack. Mark p koniuto wrote: > Interesting little article in New Scientist > re mouth-based midi control: > > http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99991162 > > Loop that. > > -peter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 00:44:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01813; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 00:43:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 00:43:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B848A73.6669C4CD@minds-eye.org> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 21:45:40 -0700 From: Kevin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loop Subject: OT: Digitech PMC10 FS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------29C85C963C95170878CD4447" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------29C85C963C95170878CD4447 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I'm afraid its time to face the fact that I will not have the time to figure out how to use this device properly any time soon and so I'm offering it up to those who already know what they want to do with Midi. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1458601648 Good luck and thanks Kevin --------------29C85C963C95170878CD4447 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well,

I'm afraid its time to face the fact that I will not have the time to figure out how to use this device properly any time soon and so I'm offering it up to those who already know what they want to do with Midi.

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1458601648

Good luck and thanks

Kevin
  --------------29C85C963C95170878CD4447-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 01:08:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA07616; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 01:06:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 01:06:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B848EE6.81A1742D@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 22:04:38 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: MIDI Still? References: <3B848A73.6669C4CD@minds-eye.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You know, there's been a lot of talk about MIDI on this list, and it's short comings. MIDI has been around since the early 80s (late 70s if you count Sequential Circuits version) What the hell is going on? Did we loose a war? I know that Kim was in on an alternative. Is it dead? It sure seems silly that I'm going from USB to MIDI. They told me that in the future there would be flying cars and we'd all be wearing silver jumpsuits. Our meals would be in pill form and we'd have a highspeed data transfer language for musical instruments. So where are they? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 01:29:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA08587; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 01:28:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 01:28:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: don.goodeve@home.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 22:27:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Repeater and CFC Reply-to: don.goodeve@home.com Message-ID: <3B8431B8.475.138DC9D@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Loopers Disclaimers: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1. The following is based on my experience and is my personal opinion. It should not be taken to represent the official views or position of Electrix/IVL Technologies. (even though the conclusion is pretty much exactly the same). 2. The following only relates to CFC cards in the context of their use with Repeater, and implies nothing about their suitability or performance with ANY OTHER PRODUCT. 3. If you think I am being paranoid, I have been flamed badly in the past. All this having been said, flame proof underpants on and here goes... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I noticed the discussion starting around CFC buys. There is some stuff on the Electrix website, and also on a flyer shipped with the unit. However you do need to be aware of card specs - the only real way to know things are going to be cool is to test Repeater with the card you wish to use. Until specifications become a perfect art, rather than a marketting tool, that is just the way it is. Electrix has been doing a lot of testing with different CFC cards, and our recommendations are based on the results of those tests. Technobabble follows --- CFC card specs that are published from different manufacturers seem to cover the following: Burst-mode rate (quoted ~6-10MB/sec). Ignore this. Unfortunately everyone who designs a CFC interface needs to design for the lowest common denominator anyway, making this spec worse than useless IMHO. Read rate. Typically 800KB/sec -> 2MB/sec. Read rate is not really the issue. Reading flash memory is pretty damn quick and in Repeater accounts for a fairly small proportion of the time consumed at the CFC interface. Write rate. Quoted (ahem!) 500KB/sec -> 1.5MB/sec. However this is the long-term sustained rate, and depending on the card manufacturer, the data caching algorithms they use, and a whole load of other variables the short-term variance in write operation latency can be huge. I know - I have pored over the logic analyser and scope traces looking into this phenomenon until I went bug eyed [still in recovery...]. CFC cards do some pretty nifty footwork under the hood to manage the storage medium - including error recovery, bad sector remapping, wear levelling etc... Also, writing is a cached mechanism and there are additional time effects due to the caching scheme used, the pattern of writes to the card and the amount of cache available. The result of all of this is that an apparently fast card may occasionally (or in the case of one card we tested, very often...) take a long time to complete a write operation. Hit a few of these long write operations in a row and all of a sudden Repeater will have run out of write buffer space and will inform you that there is an issue here... Most cards will handle the 'sequential' writing of mono operation with no problems. Stereo operation is where most problems lie. The pattern of writes to two .wav files can fight with the CFC caching scheme and cause the card performance to be somewhat less than desirable. So - that is the low down. --- My advice is to read the specs (the faster card manufacturers will quote them with pride. The slower card manufacturers will quote them under a subtle disguise to make you think they are better than they are...). Take all specs with a healthy dose of reserve. Then, if you can test a card before you buy, do. We are providing information on cards we have thoroughly tested and are happy with to help with purchase decisions. The Simple Technologies cards deliver. DaneElec also are just dandy. This does not imply that other cards out there will not also do just fine, but it provides a starting point. I hope that with experience that this forum will provide more information about good card choices for use with Repeater. We will also update the information on the web site as more experience and test results become available. Please consult the website and feel free to post questions for us folks about CFC cards. We will be happy to occasionally break the lurking mode and provide what information we can. Cheers, and I hope you folks have a *lot* of fun... Don Goodeve (of Rik Elswit's 'Don and the Maniacs' fame... I kind of like that one...) ps. CFC technology is moving *damn* quick these days, and the speed of cards will become less of an issue as time goes on. With Repeater we had to design towards where we expected CFC technology to be, and fortunately our Crystal Ball did a pretty good job. ---------------------------------------------------- |Don Goodeve | |Brentwood Bay, BC, Canada | | don.goodeve@home.com | ---------------------------------------------------- 'As if you could kill time without injuring eternity' (still my favourite H.D.Thoreau quote - after all these years...) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 01:31:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA08814; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 01:30:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 01:30:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010822233009.00847500@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 23:30:09 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: OT: giant pipes down Portola Avenue in Santa Cruz and other natural reverbs In-Reply-To: <012901c12a0b$6bd03aa0$e542f93f@dnlsh01> References: <200108202313.TAA28386@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com First off, I'd like to thank you Rick, for starting what I'd consider to be my very favorite thread in my time here on the list. Thanks so much! Anyway, in Boulder Colorado, there's a viaduct which goes under route 36 I believe, which has the most wonderfully long and musical reverb. I've played dombec and flute in there, and it's just beautiful. There's also a really amazing parking garage which is for Circuit City, which also has a really interesting reverberant quality to it. First off, the reverb is really long, and very intense and clear at the outset, almost to the point of a swell. Secondly, most of the midrange and alot of the highs are diminished, so it can be quite "industrial" and interesting. It's really eerie and amazing with a cardoor slam. there's also this wonderfully large, squeaky door at one of my favorite restaurants, Turley's, which sounds really low and gutteral as it resonates in the little foyer, and is possitively haunting. Near another of my favorite restaurants, The Boulder Duchanbe Tea House, there's a metal sculpture which is made up of tall metal rods standing on end, close together. When the wind blows, or you push one of the rods, it taps against the others, causing them to move also, and creating a wonderful metallic, resonant repetitious tapping. Smiles, Goddess At 11:35 PM 8/20/01 -0700, you wrote: >regarding Chris Muir's remeniscences of giant >concrete pipes down Portola Ave in Santa Cruz, > >I remember them very well and wanted to let anybody know that there is a >very, very cool >and new reverberant space right on the Pacific Garden Mall that I just >discovered. > >It is a long hallway that is chained off in the building that now houses the >Oneill surf and clothing shop across from the new cinemas: you have to >walk right up to the >chain link fence and suddenly there is the most beautiful and very long >reverb present: I have tried overtone singing, frame drumming and flute >playing into this space. > >The magic of it is that from ten feet away you dont' even hear it......when >you are right at the chain link fence it is completley mesmerizing. > >Here while back, I tried to get a found sound group going on the web and >tried to get people interested in posting a list of natural and man made >timbral phenomena that >we audionauts could discover while travelling around the country.........I >didn't get much >interest at all, but I would like to propose this as an off topic thread: > >WHAT KICK ASS SONIC ANOMALIES DO YOU KNOW OF IN YOUR HOMETOWN........WHAT >WIERD ASSED PIECE OF ARCHITECTURE OR SCULPTURES OR PLUMBING EXISTS TO BE >STRUCK OR BLOWN ON OR OTHERWISE PUSHED INTO RESONANCE........ > >..........there..........the challenge is out there (which I am sometimes, >as well ;-) > >yours, loop.pool (aka, Rick Walker) > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 01:39:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA09330; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 01:38:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 01:38:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 22:42:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: MIDI Still? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Sottilaro said: >They told me that in the future there would be flying cars and we'd all be >wearing silver jumpsuits... Uh, the rest of guys aren't wearing silver jumpsuits??? Suddenly very embarrassed- Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 01:41:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA09488; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 01:39:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 01:39:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008101c12b96$807c40c0$6401a8c0@nc.rr.com> Reply-To: "diatom drone" From: "diatom drone" To: References: <200108202313.TAA28386@hemlock.violacea.com> <3.0.5.32.20010822233009.00847500@mail.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: OT: giant pipes down Portola Avenue in Santa Cruz and other natural reverbs Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 01:43:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the last year i was at school, there was a LOT of construction and in addition to collecting raw materials for instruments from their junkpile, i had some fun messing with some of the larger pipes. neat reverb, didn't have a way to use it at the time though because it was on the regular route of the campus cops, who were for the large part very bored very cynical folks and as such i'm sure i'd have been handed a citation before i could explain what was up. oh well. there was also a neat "natural" slapback echo between the dorms, i used to vary my walking to play with it. Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 01:47:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA09760; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 01:45:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 01:45:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 01:45:14 -0400 Subject: Re: mics, MD field recordings - level query From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20010822.110714.119.19.tony-moore@juno.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Do you have model number or good internet site for good price on said microphone? Thanks, todd On 8/22/01 2:07 PM, "Tony Moore" wrote: > yep, i've also been using a little sony md with a t shaped plug-in stereo > condensor. cool mic. it gets its power from the md's plug and is tiny. > sounds pretty good with fairly flat response. the little md sounds alot > better than my walkman pro, but setting levels is a major pita! you can't > adjust levels on the fly. do any of the other portable md recorders allow > for level adjustment while recording? > > thanks! > > tony > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 01:49:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA09954; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 01:48:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 01:48:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Mike McGary" To: Subject: RE: OT: giant pipes down Portola Avenue in Santa Cruz and other natural reverbs Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 00:48:04 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010822233009.00847500@mail.earthlink.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > there's also this wonderfully large, squeaky door at one of my favorite > restaurants, Turley's, which sounds really low and gutteral as it > resonates in the little foyer, and is possitively haunting. I ran into a different mechanical reverb recently at a horse stable. I opened a big gate made of pipe and heard this incredible squeal. The entire fence took up the squeal and resonated all around the stables. I was entranced and moved the gate back and forth for a while (while the stable-hand eyed me suspiciously). I went to mycar to get my MD recorder to catch this haunting sound...when I returned I found the stable-hand thoroughly lubricating the gate's hinges.... Mike McGary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 01:53:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA10189; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 01:52:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 01:52:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010822224134.05875218@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 22:50:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: MIDI Still? In-Reply-To: <3B848EE6.81A1742D@zerocrossing.net> References: <3B848A73.6669C4CD@minds-eye.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <7WjU2C.A.CfC.YoJh7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:04 PM 8/22/2001, Mark wrote: >You know, there's been a lot of talk about MIDI on this list, and it's >short comings. MIDI has been around since the early 80s (late 70s if >you count Sequential Circuits version) > >What the hell is going on? Did we loose a war? me ug-ug. me musician. me no want new thing. me want to bang stick designed exactly the same way they designed the stick 2 million years ago. me pay lot more if you call it vintage. >I know that Kim was in on an alternative. Is it dead? that was zipi, which was dead quite some time ago. >It sure seems >silly that I'm going from USB to MIDI. They told me that in the future >there would be flying cars and we'd all be wearing silver jumpsuits. Our >meals would be in pill form and we'd have a highspeed data transfer >language for musical instruments. So where are they? probably someday you will fly your car to the martian guitar center to pick up the first midi-the-next-generation device. (it will be out of stock.) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 02:23:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA12422; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 02:22:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 02:22:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Digitech PMC10 FS Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 23:21:54 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <3B848A73.6669C4CD@minds-eye.org> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message-----Kevin wrote: I'm afraid its time to face the fact that I will not have the time to figure out how to use this device properly any time soon and so I'm offering it up to those who already know what they want to do with Midi. ***It occurred to me last night as I rearranged the patches in my master bank that there is a fairly steep learning curve on this unit, SO . . . Come on Monk, take the plunge! By the time your Mitigators finally crap out, you'll know how to use it! Also, it's possible to "play" your old patches into this one, for easy transfer (don't think the 'Gator will do that). Cheers, Gary PS I just bought a mint replacement 2 months ago so I'm out of the bidding. Have fun! G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 02:24:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA12586; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 02:23:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 02:23:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200108230623.f7N6N5t14371@riker.skynet.be> From: "Hugo Haesaert" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 08:23:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: field recorders Reply-to: hugo.haesaert@skynet.be Priority: normal In-reply-to: <005c01c12ac1$b613f320$c5004d0c@fart> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All ! Yes, the Uher Report series is a cheaper reel-to-reel alternative to Nagra and Stellavox . Still good tho :) . There's the mono 2track 4000, the stereo 2track 4200 and the stereo 4track 4400 . Mind, late models are 3head, earlier ones 2head . 4 speed, 19cm/s max . 13cm spools . Pretty solid stuff . I've had a s/h 4000 for 30 years now, and it still runs . Head is shot tho :) 5-6 yrs ago i got a s/h 4200 3head . Mainly to listen to those old tapes ;^) . Nicad and lead accus used to be available . Takes c cells . And gets through them quite quickly too . Those rechargeable alcalines might be an idea here . Special pilot-tone models also produced, as with Nagra and Stellavox . Uher also made some pretty decent portable cassette recorders, as did Marantz and Sony . The reel-to-reel's are better :) Cheers . Keep 'em oscillating :) Hugo = From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 02:57:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA13561; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 02:54:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 02:54:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.206.92.23] From: "Jon" To: References: <3B848A73.6669C4CD@minds-eye.org> <3B848EE6.81A1742D@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: MIDI Still? Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 23:53:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2001 06:53:25.0717 (UTC) FILETIME=[4EA34850:01C12BA0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > You know, there's been a lot of talk about MIDI on this list, and it's > short comings. MIDI has been around since the early 80s (late 70s if > you count Sequential Circuits version) > > What the hell is going on? Did we loose a war? > Yes. It's called the war against legacy instruments. We're still losing it. When I was in college at CNMAT, the talk was about ZIPI, which was going to be the next generation of midi. But you've all heard >all< about that... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 03:12:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA15202; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 03:10:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 03:10:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:09:40 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: DL4 for saxophone ? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: "francois.l@voila.fr" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-XaM3-API-Version: 1.1.9.1.38 X-SenderIP: 195.132.14.11 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id DAA15178 Resent-Message-ID: <8_wdLD.A.ZtD.fxKh7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, Is anyone can tell me if the DL4 as got a sufficient baude rate to sample correctly the saxophone ? It's 24 bits, but what's baud rate : 24, 32, 44 Khz ? Thanks a lot. __________________________________________________________ Faites un vœu et puis Voila ! www.voila.fr Pendant tout l'été, gagnez une Ford Ka sur Voila Gratter ! http://cybergrattage.voila.fr/voila From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 03:39:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA16090; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 03:37:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 03:37:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007f01c12ba6$6914a250$51cec22b@cambmaya04> From: "Os" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: Repeater in the UK? Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 08:37:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone know if any Repeaters have shipped to the UK? If not, when might we expect them? cheers, os. os@scee.sony.co.uk http://www.mp3.com/carbonboy/ http://www.mp3.com/darkroomuk/ http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 09:06:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05871; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:03:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:03:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010823085910.007da4e0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 08:59:10 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: semi-OT: mouth-based midi control In-Reply-To: <3B8483DD.F02C60EB@zerocrossing.net> References: <5.0.2.1.1.20010822221833.00a009a0@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Freudian couch moment... Me: I remember sometime in the mid-70's I was learning to play slide guitar. I'd never really seen anyone do it, so I was quite proud of my adolescent self. One day I was at home, playing away, when I noticed my mother watching me in amusement. When I asked her what was so funny, she told me that whenever I used the slide I was making some really comical mouth expressions. Doctor, I was traumatized. Doctor Sigmund: Vell, haff you effer seen Steve Howe play lap steel? Now ZAT guy iss making some funny faces! -t At 09:17 PM 8/22/01 -0700, you wrote: >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 09:28:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA06715; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:26:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:26:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <457D24A77D96D511960F00805FA6BAED0601@exchsvr.dhdomain> From: Todd Quincy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: MIDI Still? Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:22:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <7MWCI.A.yoB.-RQh7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For all the really smart people out there. A midi event or singal can be sent over data lines (the internet). But how fast is it, and is a midi signal the fastest vehicle musicians have for web jams... I supposed there will always be a delay in audio, something like .004 ms. or something (anyone know for sure) This delay which is fine for phone calls, but not a jam. Is midi our best bet to beat the delay, won't it enable us to one day jam with others on line to a preset time code, swapping and sharing midi evnet files from our repeater and edp in timecode? (In the virtual world, what is realtime to me may still be 4 seconds behind you, but when you're sync'd to a clock what does it matter? As long as the tempo stays the same for all involved.) PART 2 Anyone using rocketnetwork? thanks tq@openjam.com > ----Original Message----- > From: Kim Flint [SMTP:kflint@loopers-delight.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 1:51 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: MIDI Still? > > At 10:04 PM 8/22/2001, Mark wrote: > >You know, there's been a lot of talk about MIDI on this list, and it's > >short comings. MIDI has been around since the early 80s (late 70s if > >you count Sequential Circuits version) > > > >What the hell is going on? Did we loose a war? > > me ug-ug. me musician. me no want new thing. me want to bang stick > designed > exactly the same way they designed the stick 2 million years ago. me pay > lot more if you call it vintage. > > > >I know that Kim was in on an alternative. Is it dead? > > that was zipi, which was dead quite some time ago. > > > >It sure seems > >silly that I'm going from USB to MIDI. They told me that in the future > >there would be flying cars and we'd all be wearing silver jumpsuits. Our > >meals would be in pill form and we'd have a highspeed data transfer > >language for musical instruments. So where are they? > > probably someday you will fly your car to the martian guitar center to > pick > up the first midi-the-next-generation device. (it will be out of stock.) > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 09:29:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA06801; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:28:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:28:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008d01c12bd6$e184b150$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: OT: giant pipes down Portola Avenue in Santa Cruz and other natural reverbs Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 08:24:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > ... I went to mycar to get my MD recorder to > catch this haunting sound...when I returned I found the stable-hand > thoroughly lubricating the gate's hinges.... Great story! Alcohol in a spray bottle is a great de-greaser. You will have that nasty oil out in no time! BTW: a fewer well place magnetic pickups would probably work great! Or try some piezos, too! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 09:32:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA07250; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:30:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:30:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <4b.103ce363.28b65f4f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:29:51 EDT Subject: Re: MIDI Still? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com kflint@loopers-delight.com writes: >probably someday you will fly your car to the martian guitar center to >pick >up the first midi-the-next-generation device .....which, oddly enough, is built into the new stratocaster, custom-factory-aged to vintage 'perfection'..... dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 09:45:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA07957; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:43:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:43:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Apparently-From: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 08:43:09 -0500 Subject: Re: OT: giant pipes down Portola Avenue in Santa Cruz and other natural reverbs From: Mike Feeney To: diatom drone , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008101c12b96$807c40c0$6401a8c0@nc.rr.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com only musicians would understand this kind of behavior. =) it's something I would do too. My girlfriend would look at me like I was a lunatic, but I'd be enjoying myself. =) Mike on 8/23/01 12.43 AM, diatom drone at skincage@infin8ty.com wrote: > there was also a neat "natural" slapback echo between > the dorms, i used to vary my walking to play with it. > > Jon _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 10:12:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10641; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 10:10:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 10:10:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 10:09:56 EDT Subject: box drum To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_b7.12a55d88.28b668b4_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_b7.12a55d88.28b668b4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit another neat thing i saw at the music store.....a wooden box that you could sit on and whap the sides (and all over) and it created these totally wonderful drum sounds.....it had a hole on one side and the bass sound from it was so sweet.....i could see putting a mic. in it and going to town (wearing a silver jumpsuit of course).....:)m --part1_b7.12a55d88.28b668b4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit another neat thing i saw at the music store.....a wooden box that you could
sit on and whap the sides (and all over) and it created these totally
wonderful drum sounds.....it had a hole on one side and the bass sound from
it was so sweet.....i could see putting a mic. in it and going to town
(wearing a silver jumpsuit of course).....:)m --part1_b7.12a55d88.28b668b4_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 10:43:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12242; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 10:41:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 10:41:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00cb01c12be1$045eeb50$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: box drum Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:36:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > another neat thing i saw at the music store.....a wooden box that you could > sit on and whap the sides (and all over) and it created these totally > wonderful drum sounds.....it had a hole on one side and the bass sound from > it was so sweet.....i could see putting a mic. in it and going to town > (wearing a silver jumpsuit of course).....:)m Yes! That's a Cajon (ka-hone). With the new models the silver jumpsuit is optional. (Of course, it was optional with the old ones, too.) Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 11:10:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18406; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:08:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:08:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 16:10:40 +0100 Subject: Re: MIDI Still? From: roberto To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <457D24A77D96D511960F00805FA6BAED0601@exchsvr.dhdomain> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 23/8/01 2:22 PM, Todd Quincy at tquincy@sayhhi.com wrote: > For all the really smart people out there. > > A midi event or singal can be sent over data lines (the internet). But how > fast is it, and is a midi signal the fastest vehicle musicians have for web > jams... > > I supposed there will always be a delay in audio, something like .004 ms. or > something (anyone know for sure) This delay which is fine for phone calls, > but not a jam. > > Is midi our best bet to beat the delay, won't it enable us to one day jam > with others on line to a preset time code, swapping and sharing midi evnet > files from our repeater and edp in timecode? > > (In the virtual world, what is realtime to me may still be 4 seconds behind > you, but when you're sync'd to a clock what does it matter? As long as the > tempo stays the same for all involved.) > I have been waiting (sure I'm not the only one) for the day live jamming on-line will be possible. I'm afraid that day is still far. However, for those who may be interested: a month ago at the Research Centre for the Performing Arts of the Middlesex University in London (UK) we did an interesting experiment (hopefully the first of a series). We set up two performance spaces in the same building. Linked the spaces on a network and placed video cameras and video projectors in both rooms. Using a series of Macs with a software called Live Channell (Sorenson Broadcaster would do the same) as well as a Stream Genie by Pinnacle we managed to broadcast between the two rooms, so that the musicians and dancers in the two spaces could interact live with each other's projection. The resulting combination was simultaneously being broadcast on the web (at a reasonable picture and sound quality). At the beginning the time-lag was considerable and, before we managed to optimise the settings, some of the artists discovered that they could perform in one room, then run very fast to the other room and perform with their own projection. Doing it a few times in a sequence would produce a loop with the same dancer multiplying... As long as we have to live with the delay we may as well find creative uses for it... Is this too off-topic? If so I may ask something about the Repeater...;-} Roberto ______________________________________________ Roberto Battista http://www.robat.scl.net http://www.robat.scl.net/lectures/index.shtm Tel. 0044 020 8449 1995 Mobile 0775 960 4344 ______________________________________________ http://www.rustyrobot.com independent on-line music distribution, the music you can't find elsewhere, hybrid, eclectic, world, looped, unusual... ______________________________________________ http://www.robat.scl.net/html/tibet/tibet.shtm an exciting project on technology applied to mobile education for developing countries and remote locations... ______________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 11:28:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25513; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:26:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:26:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 08:31:06 -0700 From: Doug Lawrence Subject: RE: MIDI Still? In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000201c12be8$a0b5f190$0382c83f@kinesys12> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>I have been waiting (sure I'm not the only one) >>for the day live jamming on-line will be possible. Check out http://www.rocketnetwork.com Rocket Network allows you to dramatically simplify your audio production and session management systems. Our worldwide network allows simultaneous multi-user access to files that are updated dynamically from anywhere in the world, using the familiar interface of software programs such as Cubase, Logic and ProTools. When you use an application with "RocketPower" you have around the clock access to your project files, accessed via Rocket's secure servers, regardless of where you are, as well as the ability to collaborate with colleagues in-house, or other audio professionals around the world. Rocket Network's Central Server system provides a seamless data bridge between audio products, allowing multiple applications to be used on a single session at the same time. They have an online demo video that is kind of cool to check out ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 12:01:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28598; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:59:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:59:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:00:18 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Where's The Repeater? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <007f01c12bec$b4e33570$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010822105804.01b0b148@mulder.intermag.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i ordered this same card for $89 at www.emscomputing.com should be in today... > > While you're waiting, you might want to get a larger CF card. This is a > pretty good deal, it's a high quality card, and it's on Electrix's approved > list: > > http://www.us.buy.com/retail/searchresults.asp?qu=10153448&loc=273 > > 128meg will give you about 21 minutes of total recording time. > > > Gotta buy it before the 15th to get the rebate. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 12:01:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28592; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:58:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:58:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003a01c12beb$9604cb10$6b44230a@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <457D24A77D96D511960F00805FA6BAED0601@exchsvr.dhdomain> Subject: Re: MIDI Still? Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:52:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <35uE_.A.w9G.ZgSh7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com FWIW, I suspect that MIDI over the internet would be much higher than .004 ms. Theoretically, MIDI over a standard network transport would be just as fast as any other data transfer. MIDI messages are typically 2 to 3 bytes long. Rather teeny, so you could easily bundle a bunch up and send them out all at once. However, I think the real limitations would be: A) The Internet itself as a distributed network. There's no garuntee that you network packets would all arrive in the correct order (which could be compensated for) or in a consistent space of time. This is because they could theoretically be sent down any number of paths to get to the same destination. Streaming media gets around this by buffering. Buffering introduces latency. B) The biggest problem might be that because of inherent variable latency, (packets could take as long as 10ms to traverse the internet, never mind the inherent latency of the hardware midi device itself) there would be an audible lag similar to that of satelite phone conversations, if not necessarily so extreme all of the time, making it very hard to jam with someone in real time, unless you were both imitating whale songs. I've never actually tried to do this, so it's all just my conjecture based on what I know. Personally, I would've loved to see ZIPI live. Ob la di. I think yamaha or someone is working on a new digital standard for transferring audio and midi data over a single high bandwidth connection. That might have the potential to overcome some of the latency issues based on the fact that MIDI is a 32kps (I think) serial protocol, and buffer overflows can still occur. Networking is really a lot about buffers .... Love, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Quincy" To: Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 9:22 AM Subject: RE: MIDI Still? > For all the really smart people out there. > > A midi event or singal can be sent over data lines (the internet). But how > fast is it, and is a midi signal the fastest vehicle musicians have for web > jams... > > I supposed there will always be a delay in audio, something like .004 ms. or > something (anyone know for sure) This delay which is fine for phone calls, > but not a jam. > > Is midi our best bet to beat the delay, won't it enable us to one day jam > with others on line to a preset time code, swapping and sharing midi evnet > files from our repeater and edp in timecode? > > (In the virtual world, what is realtime to me may still be 4 seconds behind > you, but when you're sync'd to a clock what does it matter? As long as the > tempo stays the same for all involved.) > > PART 2 > Anyone using rocketnetwork? > > thanks > tq@openjam.com > > > > > > ----Original Message----- > > From: Kim Flint [SMTP:kflint@loopers-delight.com] > > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 1:51 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: MIDI Still? > > > > At 10:04 PM 8/22/2001, Mark wrote: > > >You know, there's been a lot of talk about MIDI on this list, and it's > > >short comings. MIDI has been around since the early 80s (late 70s if > > >you count Sequential Circuits version) > > > > > >What the hell is going on? Did we loose a war? > > > > me ug-ug. me musician. me no want new thing. me want to bang stick > > designed > > exactly the same way they designed the stick 2 million years ago. me pay > > lot more if you call it vintage. > > > > > > >I know that Kim was in on an alternative. Is it dead? > > > > that was zipi, which was dead quite some time ago. > > > > > > >It sure seems > > >silly that I'm going from USB to MIDI. They told me that in the future > > >there would be flying cars and we'd all be wearing silver jumpsuits. Our > > >meals would be in pill form and we'd have a highspeed data transfer > > >language for musical instruments. So where are they? > > > > probably someday you will fly your car to the martian guitar center to > > pick > > up the first midi-the-next-generation device. (it will be out of stock.) > > > > kim > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ ______ > > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 12:25:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02444; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 12:23:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 12:23:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:24:55 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Repeater frenzy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00dd01c12bf0$2546b1e0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200108222033.NAA29400@well.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i have to agree strongly with this >... Electrix has > handled this in far superior form. They stayed in contact, they put up > with the bitching, much of which was just plain childish, and they didn't > just cave and put out a buggy product. I've been dealing with equipment > vendors on and off for 10 years. Compared to most of them, Electrix is a > class act. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 12:37:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03043; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 12:35:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 12:35:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Re: Repeater frenzy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.6 Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 12:38:48 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00dd01c12bf0$2546b1e0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i have no pants on- n Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:24:55 -0500 jim palmer wrote: > i have to agree strongly with this > > >... Electrix has > > handled this in far superior form. They stayed in > contact, they put up > > with the bitching, much of which was just plain > childish, and they didn't > > just cave and put out a buggy product. I've been > dealing with equipment > > vendors on and off for 10 years. Compared to most of > them, Electrix is a > > class act. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 12:48:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03699; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 12:46:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 12:46:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:42:43 -0700 From: Tim Thompson Subject: RE: MIDI Still? In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01b401c12bf2$a23a6320$19a8a8c0@thompsonresidence.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <3_fVeB.A.54.PNTh7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > (In the virtual world, what is realtime to me may still be 4 seconds behind > > you, but when you're sync'd to a clock what does it matter? As long as the > > tempo stays the same for all involved.) > > > I have been waiting (sure I'm not the only one) for the day live jamming > on-line will be possible. I'm afraid that day is still far. > However, for those who may be interested: I have some software which is capable of realtime transmission of MIDI between several sites, and which keeps each site synced so that it hears things from the other sites synced to its local clock (but offset by a fixed number of beats). I used it recently (in one-way mode) to do a live gig in St. Louis while sitting in San Jose. I'm looking for people who are interested in doing two-way (and N-way) jamming with this software. If you use a PC (win98, ideally), and are interested in this type of thing, please send me mail. I've started a mailing list (called radiated-music) of people interested in this kind of thing. ...Tim Thompson...tjt@nosuch.com... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 12:58:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04354; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 12:56:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 12:56:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010823095547.02375ad0@mulder.intermag.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.midiwall.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:55:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Rebate on Simple CFC's Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jim palmer (09:00 AM 08.23.2001) wrote: >i ordered this same card for $89 at www.emscomputing.com >should be in today... Good find! You can still make use of the rebate, another $15 off! http://simple.rebateform.com/030521/ Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 13:17:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06211; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 13:14:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 13:14:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: jef To: !! loopers delight mailing list Subject: Re: box drum Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 12:13:14 -0500 Message-Id: <20010823171314.23879@postoffice.1stconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB733@migarexch01.maritz.com> References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB733@migarexch01.maritz.com> X-Mailer: CTM PowerMail 3.0.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA06168 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > another neat thing i saw at the music store.....a wooden box that you could > sit on and whap the sides (and all over) and it created these totally > wonderful drum sounds..... sweet! in college i started playing drums but didnt have a set of my own and became obsessed with the great sounds i could get from a rubbermaid bin that i used for everything from laundry to moving band stuff. ive sinced ditched the cookiesheet and potporri pot, but play 99% of my rhythms on said laundry bin with rattlestix (shaker mallets with rubber ends) and am well pleased with the thud and snap that i get along with the added shaker sound. (plus you can get them for 5dollars at Targét) the curious can peruse: http://www.polishoperative.com/spiesteleviv (the first 4 or 5 tracks) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 13:27:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06796; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 13:24:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 13:24:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB74F@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "Looper's Delight (E-mail)" Subject: gig spam 25 and 26 august, 2001, so cal, usa Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 13:23:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C12BF8.451DCFF0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12BF8.451DCFF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" 25 august 2001 8:00 p.m. $6.00 admission a night of duos and trios at Art City 2. 31 peking street, ventura, ca 93001 duo improvisation with g.e. stinson and kaoru g.e. stinson: guitars, manipulation, electronics, loopage kaoru: voice, toys, percussion, electronics, loopage duo and trio improvisation with david tucker, anna homler and steuart Liebig david tucker: electric guitar (from the uk, mr tucker has played with the fall, john butcher, otomo yoshide, keith tippett, lol coxhill, charles hayward) anna homler: voice, toys, percussion steuart liebig: electric basses, applied tools and technology, loopage 26 august 2001. 8:00 p.m. an extravanganze featuring performances by: david tucker: electric guitar anna homler: voice, toys, percussion steuart liebig: electric basses, applied tools and technology, loopage josie roth: voice and viola joseph hammer: manipulated analog tape loops and sound sources rick potts: foldie guitar, electronics, synth anna homler: voice, toys, percussion cosolidated lint: rick potts: foldie guitar, electronics, synth marc levinthal: synth, electronics albert ortega: field recording, hand-built instruments alterknit lounge $10.00 admission knitting factory, hollywood 7021 Hollywood Boulevard Los Angeles, CA 90028 323-463-0204 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12BF8.451DCFF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Re: gig spam/sunday, 19 august, 2001/knit fact, hollywood, ca

25 august 2001

8:00 p.m.

$6.00 admission

a night of duos and trios at Art City 2.

31 peking street, ventura, ca 93001

duo improvisation with g.e. stinson and kaoru

g.e. stinson: guitars, manipulation, electronics, loopage 

kaoru: voice, toys, percussion, electronics, loopage

 

duo and trio improvisation with david tucker, anna homler and steuart Liebig

david tucker: electric guitar (from the uk, mr tucker has played with the fall, john butcher, otomo yoshide, keith tippett, lol coxhill, charles hayward) 

anna homler: voice, toys, percussion

steuart liebig: electric basses, applied tools and technology, loopage

 

26 august 2001.

8:00 p.m.

an extravanganze featuring performances by:

david tucker: electric guitar  

anna homler: voice, toys, percussion

steuart liebig: electric basses, applied tools and technology, loopage

 

josie roth: voice and viola

 

joseph hammer: manipulated analog tape loops and sound sources

rick potts: foldie guitar, electronics, synth

anna homler: voice, toys, percussion

 

cosolidated lint:

rick potts: foldie guitar, electronics, synth

marc levinthal: synth, electronics

albert ortega: field recording, hand-built instruments

 

alterknit lounge

$10.00 admission 

knitting factory, hollywood

7021 Hollywood Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA
90028
323-463-0204

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01C12BF8.451DCFF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 13:39:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07322; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 13:34:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 13:34:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB733@migarexch01.maritz.com> <20010823171314.23879@postoffice.1stconnect.com> Subject: Re: box drum Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 10:33:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2001 17:33:38.0148 (UTC) FILETIME=[BE3B1A40:01C12BF9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sweet stuff. Just a laundry bin? I've got to ditch my $1,500 hardware sequencer... Nice guitar tones too... ----- Original Message ----- From: "jef" To: "!! loopers delight mailing list" Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 10:13 AM Subject: Re: box drum > > another neat thing i saw at the music store.....a wooden box that you could > > sit on and whap the sides (and all over) and it created these totally > > wonderful drum sounds..... > > sweet! > in college i started playing drums > but didnt have a set of my own and became obsessed > with the great sounds i could get from a rubbermaid > bin that i used for everything from laundry to > moving band stuff. ive sinced ditched the cookiesheet > and potporri pot, but play 99% of my rhythms on > said laundry bin with rattlestix (shaker mallets with > rubber ends) and am well pleased with the thud and > snap that i get along with the added shaker sound. > (plus you can get them for 5dollars at Targét) > > the curious can peruse: > http://www.polishoperative.com/spiesteleviv > (the first 4 or 5 tracks) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 14:19:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10412; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 14:18:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 14:18:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB733@migarexch01.maritz.com> <20010823171314.23879@postoffice.1stconnect.com> Subject: Re: box drum Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:16:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2001 18:16:36.0561 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF15B410:01C12BFF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > rubber ends) and am well pleased with the thud and > snap that i get along with the added shaker sound. > (plus you can get them for 5dollars at Targét) The rattle sticks, or just the tub, tub thumper :> ? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 14:21:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10419; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 14:18:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 14:18:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011b01c12bff$66cc3b80$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <01b401c12bf2$a23a6320$19a8a8c0@thompsonresidence.com> Subject: Re: MIDI Still? Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 13:14:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tell me more! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Thompson" To: Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 11:42 AM Subject: RE: MIDI Still? > > > (In the virtual world, what is realtime to me may still be 4 seconds > behind > > > you, but when you're sync'd to a clock what does it matter? As long as > the > > > tempo stays the same for all involved.) > > > > > I have been waiting (sure I'm not the only one) for the day live jamming > > on-line will be possible. I'm afraid that day is still far. > > However, for those who may be interested: > > I have some software which is capable of realtime transmission of MIDI > between several sites, and which keeps each site synced so that it hears > things from the other sites synced to its local clock (but offset by a fixed > number of beats). I used it recently (in one-way mode) to do a > live gig in St. Louis while sitting in San Jose. > I'm looking for people who are interested in doing two-way (and N-way) > jamming with this software. If you use a PC (win98, ideally), and are > interested in this type of thing, please send me mail. I've started a > mailing list (called radiated-music) of people interested in this > kind of thing. > > ...Tim Thompson...tjt@nosuch.com... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 14:22:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10648; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 14:21:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 14:21:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <457D24A77D96D511960F00805FA6BAED065B@exchsvr.dhdomain> From: Todd Quincy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: MIDI Still? Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 14:16:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <-s7RF.A.7lC.tlUh7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com tell us all more !!!!!!!!!!!!! > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis Leas [SMTP:dennis@mdbs.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 2:14 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: MIDI Still? > > Tell me more! > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Thompson" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 11:42 AM > Subject: RE: MIDI Still? > > > > > > (In the virtual world, what is realtime to me may still be 4 > seconds > > behind > > > > you, but when you're sync'd to a clock what does it matter? As long > as > > the > > > > tempo stays the same for all involved.) > > > > > > > I have been waiting (sure I'm not the only one) for the day live > jamming > > > on-line will be possible. I'm afraid that day is still far. > > > However, for those who may be interested: > > > > I have some software which is capable of realtime transmission of MIDI > > between several sites, and which keeps each site synced so that it hears > > things from the other sites synced to its local clock (but offset by a > fixed > > number of beats). I used it recently (in one-way mode) to do a > > live gig in St. Louis while sitting in San Jose. > > I'm looking for people who are interested in doing two-way (and N-way) > > jamming with this software. If you use a PC (win98, ideally), and are > > interested in this type of thing, please send me mail. I've started a > > mailing list (called radiated-music) of people interested in this > > kind of thing. > > > > ...Tim Thompson...tjt@nosuch.com... > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 14:28:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11116; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 14:27:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 14:27:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 13:23:19 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Repeater frenzy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01ad01c12c00$af5b6870$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > i have no pants on- i have no silver jumpsuit on- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 14:49:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11991; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 14:43:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 14:43:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B855011.2DCB6EB7@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:51:14 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: giant pipes down Portola Avenue in Santa Cruz and other natural reverbs References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <74JLtC.A.66C.e6Uh7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David Potter wrote: > Om and In......Papa Dave > > A couple of natural man made resonant zones are the Wawona Tunnel in > Yosemite, Calif.... 1 mile long....I've played guitar, Banjo, varius horns > and singing....very log and cool reverb/echo...also colors change at the end > of the tunnel if you've eaten enough mescalito cactus...also the Pinnacles > National Park in Soledad,Ca...hike to the top and then sing or play a good > loud flute...the echoes roll and separate and you can hear 3 or 4 or 5 ways > that the echoes roll out of the Pinnacles Mountains. For the more (snip) not my hometown, but *home* while i was there :-) bandolier national park near santa fe: one of the cliff dwellings (i think the furthest one in on the loop trail) has a semi-parabolic form- the end-points of the parabola feature little carved chambers, big enough to sit in- around 75-100 ft. apart.- whispers in one are quite easily discerned in the other- but anyone in another part of the cliff dwelling hears absolutely nothing. and of course, the enemy below hears only the zip of your arrows once the signal is given... also, i can vouch for the ucla parking structures being sonic wonderlands. hopefully some noise soon on that... oh, and last but not least, the valley of fire outside of las vegas (why would you want to go there anyway?) has some superb sonic anomolies well worth investiging (and staying there means you're not blowing money at the slots)... lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 14:50:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12291; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 14:48:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 14:48:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: jef To: !! loopers delight mailing list Subject: Re: box drum Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 13:48:11 -0500 Message-Id: <20010823184811.31655@postoffice.1stconnect.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: CTM PowerMail 3.0.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Sweet stuff. Just a laundry bin? and rattlestix. >I've got to ditch my $1,500 hardware sequencer... :) totally. ill trade you for a laundry bin. (ill even wash it out first) >Nice guitar tones too... thanks! (thanks for listening too) jf From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 14:54:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12733; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 14:51:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 14:51:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: jef To: !! loopers delight mailing list Subject: Re: box drum Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 13:50:55 -0500 Message-Id: <20010823185055.18691@postoffice.1stconnect.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: CTM PowerMail 3.0.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA12610 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> rubber ends) and am well pleased with the thud and >> snap that i get along with the added shaker sound. >> (plus you can get them for 5dollars at Targét) > >The rattle sticks, or just the tub, tub thumper :> ? oh right. no the rattlestix were the big investment. i think they are about 10dollars. they are from remo and they sell a kid version and "professional" version. they both have their own sound. i found them online somewhere cause guitar center (chicago) didnt know what i was talking about. jf From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 15:10:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14540; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 15:07:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 15:07:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: jef To: !! loopers delight mailing list Subject: Re: mics, MD field recordings - quality? & sony vs. sharp Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 14:06:33 -0500 Message-Id: <20010823190633.20144@postoffice.1stconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <001501c12b36$6c161760$0401a8c0@cliff> References: <001501c12b36$6c161760$0401a8c0@cliff> X-Mailer: CTM PowerMail 3.0.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >tHE sHARP md-ms702 HAS level meter fully adjustable while recording- can't >remem if it adds a little "beep" each time or not tho- i thought i would add my praise for the MD format in the field and otherwise. i started with a sharp (that died becuase of dust i think, but had the best buy protection plan and got a newer sony free as a replacement) and have a sony now. i miss the sharp alot for a few more elegant features. the sony has the clamshell opening thing which i think is terrible. record pause on the sony starts right off where you were (like a tape) unless you press "end seek" or whatever its called. the sharp automatically puts you at the end. the sonys controls are small and fragile and doesnt have a doublespeed play in mono. As for sound.. MD is great. The only complaint ive heard is from bird watchers and the like that warn not to use it for scientific purposes (for the compression/human hearing range issue). for music its fine... especially if you are going to further process it.. i use my MD for sketches and after making a guitar loop, i use a little aiwa stereo mic right in front of my amp.. the sony has a auto-level option by default which sounds fine if your levels aren't all over the shop. bootlegging shows sounds great too. super small and great sound. ive never not been satisfied with any application ive used it for. anyone want to trade a sony MZ-R55 for a sharp (after my glowing review)? jf From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 15:24:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15353; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 15:22:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 15:22:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 14:23:43 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Rebate on Simple CFC's To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <025301c12c09$1f79fa60$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010823095547.02375ad0@mulder.intermag.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_jSe6D.A.dvD.PfVh7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i didn't notice this before i ordered, but they also offer the 128 plus the smart reader (which i also ordered) for $107. (they were ~$120 separately) http://specs.emscomputing.com/cgi-bin/specs/specs.asp?pid="833293"&sid="3b85 553b00c926e6274ad8b0e20f06b1"&price="$107.00" i don't know if the rebate would apply to the combo, though... -me > jim palmer (09:00 AM 08.23.2001) wrote: > > >i ordered this same card for $89 at www.emscomputing.com > >should be in today... > > Good find! > > You can still make use of the rebate, another $15 off! > > http://simple.rebateform.com/030521/ > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 15:46:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16455; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 15:44:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 15:44:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 12:43:13 -0700 Subject: Re: MIDI Still? From: Allan Hoeltje To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A few months ago in Berkeley, California (at the Starry Plough Pub) I saw a guy play guitar. Next to him was a video monitor of his brother in New York playing drums. They were both in perfect sync as if they were in the same room. This pub is pretty small and does not have a room backstage, so I know that the drummer on the video was not in-house. They also interacted with each other so I am pretty sure that the drummer was not just a video tape replay. I know the guitar player a bit. While he is quite a prankster he is not a liar. After the show I asked him how he did it. He insisted his brother was in New York playing drums live and it was done with the Internet but would not say how, that it was possibly illegal. How is this possible? Even if it were a direct satellite TV broadcast connection there would still be a noticeable delay - right? -Allan on 8/23/01 8:10 AM, roberto at roberto@nomade.worldonline.co.uk wrote: > on 23/8/01 2:22 PM, Todd Quincy at tquincy@sayhhi.com wrote: > >> For all the really smart people out there. >> >> A midi event or singal can be sent over data lines (the internet). But how >> fast is it, and is a midi signal the fastest vehicle musicians have for web >> jams... >> > I have been waiting (sure I'm not the only one) for the day live jamming > on-line will be possible. I'm afraid that day is still far... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 15:55:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17174; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 15:54:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 15:54:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005a01c12c0d$2f417320$0101a8c0@invisible> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <007f01c12ba6$6914a250$51cec22b@cambmaya04> Subject: R: Repeater in the UK? Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 21:52:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Or in Italy, please...? ----- Original Message ----- From: Os To: Loopers-Delight Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 9:37 AM Subject: Repeater in the UK? > Anyone know if any Repeaters have shipped to the UK? If not, when might we > expect them? > > > cheers, > os. > > os@scee.sony.co.uk > http://www.mp3.com/carbonboy/ > http://www.mp3.com/darkroomuk/ > http://www.collective.co.uk/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 16:07:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18821; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 16:04:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 16:04:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <029f01c12c0e$b5d230e0$7f0d5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: field recorders Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 16:03:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Todd Pafford >On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Andy Soto wrote: >> MD will sound a hell of a lot better than a casstette recorder, really, I >> use a Sony MZ-R70 MD recorder, pretty coll little blue device, mine even >> came with a USB PC link to transfer stuff from and to the MD, go check it >> out, I think you´ll find it useful... > >I have to agree 100% with this. I have the same unit (a Sony >MZ-R700) and can't say enough great things about it. I haven't >taken it out for field recording, but I do record my guitars & synths >using it all the time and I love the results. I've been wanting to >get a decent stereo mic for it and I expect that the quality of this >item is what will make the difference between an ok field recording >and a great sounding one. The recorder is transparent enough that >if you can get a good signal to it it should treat it right. I support these views. I, too, have the MZ-R70. Recordings from a mixer sound great, much better than cassette. The recorder, however, makes some noises so you want to keep it away from the microphones - especially while doing field recordings. Speaking of field recordings, I've used mine to record in the Okefenokee Swamp (southeastern Georgia) and liked the results. But I have to go back because the mic picked up the recorder every time it accessed the disc. I'm using the SONY ECM-MS957 ($200 at http://etronics.com) which seems to do a good job. It's a condenser but I suspect it might have self noise that's a little too noticable. But I'm still researching that. It could be the pres in the MD recorder for all I know at this point. I'm sure that a pair of Neumans and an outboard preamp would improve things... Cheers, Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, send email to: emusic-wdiy-subscribe@yahoogroups.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 16:10:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19063; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 16:08:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 16:08:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: Subject: Re: MIDI Still? Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 13:06:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2001 20:06:56.0705 (UTC) FILETIME=[28FF8310:01C12C0F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I know the guitar player a bit. While he is quite a prankster he is not a > liar. After the show I asked him how he did it. He insisted his brother > was in New York playing drums live and it was done with the Internet but > would not say how, that it was possibly illegal. > > How is this possible? Even if it were a direct satellite TV broadcast > connection there would still be a noticeable delay - right? > No. Not possible. Unless the Starry Plough has installed an mpeg-4 broadcast system and a satellite transceiver since the last time I was there, he was using VHSnet. Even then, there would be latency. The illegal ways of doing it can't be talked about over an unsecure line, unless you're willing to sacrifice a goat or the discussion also involves running drugs for the CIA. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 16:28:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19997; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 16:26:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 16:26:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c12c12$1eaef320$903a4a42@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: <029f01c12c0e$b5d230e0$7f0d5cd1@-> Subject: Re: field recorders Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 13:28:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Core sound and others make 9v powered amps that allow the mic to be used with line in instead of mic in on MD recorders- havent bought one but I may- also allow for much higher input levels with no distortion- slightly cheaper than 2 Neuman and portable avalon setup... Om > good job. It's a condenser but I suspect it might have self noise that's a > little too noticable. But I'm still researching that. It could be the pres in > the MD recorder for all I know at this point. I'm sure that a pair of Neumans > and an outboard preamp would improve things... > > Cheers, > > Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 16:33:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20504; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 16:31:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 16:31:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Wjguitar@aol.com Message-ID: <4d.10561d78.28b6c205@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 16:31:01 EDT Subject: Re: box drum To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_4d.10561d78.28b6c205_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10535 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_4d.10561d78.28b6c205_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Box Drum is the "Cajon"....used by Flamenco style guitarists, popularized by Paco de Lucia's sextet. It is very popular in Nuevo Flamenco / Rumba Flamenca like groups. Many percussionists add a snare to the side of the cajon, too...to give it an added tonality. WWJ --part1_4d.10561d78.28b6c205_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Box Drum is the "Cajon"....used by Flamenco style guitarists, popularized
by Paco de Lucia's sextet.   It is very popular in Nuevo Flamenco / Rumba
Flamenca like groups.  Many percussionists add a snare to the side of the
cajon, too...to give it an added tonality.

WWJ --part1_4d.10561d78.28b6c205_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 16:41:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20918; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 16:38:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 16:38:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 16:38:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200108232038.QAA30558@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: MIDI Still? X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 66.9.67.98 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > A few months ago in Berkeley, California (at the Starry Plough Pub) I saw a > guy play guitar. Next to him was a video monitor of his brother in New York > playing drums. They were both in perfect sync as if they were in the same > room. > [snip] > How is this possible? Even if it were a direct satellite TV broadcast > connection there would still be a noticeable delay - right? The speed of light is about 186,282 miles per second, so it takes at absolute minimum about 50ms to go from New York to LA. If there's a satellite, there's perhaps a few milliseconds more time spent switching. 50ms is quite noticeable. You can play a single note almost that fast (drum rolls are faster than that!) Now, if it's the Internet, there's a LOT more delay than that. Plus, the delays are variable so you need to pick the longest possible delay to avoid cutoffs. 200ms is not unlikely. Even Internet II won't slave much off that. That's one-fifth of a second! If the drummer didn't try to listen to the guitarist, it'd work really well, from where you sat and watched the guitarist. /t -- I am the wombat. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 17:06:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23304; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 17:05:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 17:05:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AALev123@aol.com Message-ID: <99.19ba2ee5.28b6c9be@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 17:03:58 EDT Subject: Conceptual "Repeater" question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_99.19ba2ee5.28b6c9be_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10532 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_99.19ba2ee5.28b6c9be_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am am guitarist with minimal looping experience ( I had the Boss RC -20 for a couple weeks but returned it for reasons that don't matter) anyway, the question is this: For a multi track looper such as repeater, are you say laying out an 8 bar rhythm part on guitar and then playing a bass line over that 8 bar loop on a separate track. When you play the loop you get the rhythm guitar and the bass playing together right? so if you then recorded a chorus section the same way with a different guitar and bass part you could step on some type of footswitch and go back and forth between the verse and chorus parts soloing over each for days on end ........right? --part1_99.19ba2ee5.28b6c9be_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am am guitarist with minimal looping experience ( I had the Boss RC -20 for
a couple weeks but returned it for reasons that don't matter) anyway, the
question is this: For a multi track looper such as repeater, are you say
laying out an 8 bar rhythm part on guitar and then playing a bass line over
that 8 bar loop on a separate track. When you play the loop you get the
rhythm guitar and the bass playing together right? so if you then recorded a
chorus section the same way with a different guitar and bass part you could
step on some type of footswitch and go back and forth between the verse and
chorus parts soloing over each for days on end ........right?   --part1_99.19ba2ee5.28b6c9be_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 17:17:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23891; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 17:15:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 17:15:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Conceptual "Repeater" question Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 14:15:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C12C18.BAECC180" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12C18.BAECC180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Exactly! Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com -----Original Message----- From: AALev123@aol.com [mailto:AALev123@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 2:04 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Conceptual "Repeater" question I am am guitarist with minimal looping experience ( I had the Boss RC -20 for a couple weeks but returned it for reasons that don't matter) anyway, the question is this: For a multi track looper such as repeater, are you say laying out an 8 bar rhythm part on guitar and then playing a bass line over that 8 bar loop on a separate track. When you play the loop you get the rhythm guitar and the bass playing together right? so if you then recorded a chorus section the same way with a different guitar and bass part you could step on some type of footswitch and go back and forth between the verse and chorus parts soloing over each for days on end ........right? ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12C18.BAECC180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Exactly!
 

Respect,

Damon Langlois
Creative Director
Electrix
Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100
http://www.electrixpro.com

-----Original Message-----
From: AALev123@aol.com [mailto:AALev123@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 2:04 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Conceptual "Repeater" question

I am am guitarist with minimal looping experience ( I had the Boss RC -20 for
a couple weeks but returned it for reasons that don't matter) anyway, the
question is this: For a multi track looper such as repeater, are you say
laying out an 8 bar rhythm part on guitar and then playing a bass line over
that 8 bar loop on a separate track. When you play the loop you get the
rhythm guitar and the bass playing together right? so if you then recorded a
chorus section the same way with a different guitar and bass part you could
step on some type of footswitch and go back and forth between the verse and
chorus parts soloing over each for days on end ........right?  
------_=_NextPart_001_01C12C18.BAECC180-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 17:17:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23973; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 17:16:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 17:16:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B857281.7B1CBC72@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 14:15:45 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers Subject: Re: MIDI Still? References: <200108232038.QAA30558@www.editev.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com He was probably outside in a van with a 900 mhz video transmitter. I have a friend who built a little battery powered one and transmitted video as he walked around town. There's pretty good range. Mark Tom Ritchford wrote: > > A few months ago in Berkeley, California (at the Starry Plough Pub) I > saw a > > guy play guitar. Next to him was a video monitor of his brother in > New York > > playing drums. They were both in perfect sync as if they were in the same > > room. > > > [snip] > > > How is this possible? Even if it were a direct satellite TV broadcast > > connection there would still be a noticeable delay - right? > > The speed of light is about 186,282 miles per second, > so it takes at absolute minimum about 50ms to go from > New York to LA. > > If there's a satellite, there's perhaps a few milliseconds > more time spent switching. > > 50ms is quite noticeable. You can play a single note > almost that fast (drum rolls are faster than that!) > > Now, if it's the Internet, there's a LOT more delay than that. > Plus, the delays are variable so you need to pick the > longest possible delay to avoid cutoffs. > > 200ms is not unlikely. Even Internet II won't > slave much off that. That's one-fifth of a second! > > If the drummer didn't try to listen to the guitarist, > it'd work really well, from where you sat and > watched the guitarist. > > /t > > -- > > I am the wombat. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 17:33:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24866; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 17:32:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 17:32:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <018f01c12c1a$6d0042b0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <200108232038.QAA30558@www.editev.com> Subject: Re: MIDI Still? Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 16:27:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > The speed of light is about 186,282 miles per second, > so it takes at absolute minimum about 50ms to go from > New York to LA. > > If there's a satellite, there's perhaps a few milliseconds > more time spent switching. Hmm, remember it's about 2500 miles from LA to NYC while com. sats. are in geo-sync orbits at 22,000 mile altitude. So via satellite you have to add at least 44,000 miles. Satellite links have high latency. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 18:10:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27631; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 18:09:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 18:09:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [128.112.141.166] From: "Scott Anderson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Electric Effects Devices in On-line Music? Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 22:08:36 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2001 22:08:36.0628 (UTC) FILETIME=[28175D40:01C12C20] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello. Does anyone have any on line music that uses or features prominently processing from the Electrix effects devices? (I know Electrix has the audio demos of their effects devices at their site.) Thank you. Scott _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 18:12:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27801; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 18:11:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 18:11:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AALev123@aol.com Message-ID: <117.3a648f3.28b6d965@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 18:10:45 EDT Subject: Re: Conceptual "Repeater" question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_117.3a648f3.28b6d965_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10532 Resent-Message-ID: <7WhEDD.A.xxG.G-Xh7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_117.3a648f3.28b6d965_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cool..... I can see why there is so much energy and excitement --part1_117.3a648f3.28b6d965_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cool..... I can see why there is so much energy and excitement --part1_117.3a648f3.28b6d965_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 18:20:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28542; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 18:18:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 18:18:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007301c12c21$b8de3dc0$1a43f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200108231946.PAA16593@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: box drum Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 15:19:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't know if anyone has weighed in with this or not, but that box drum is called a "Cajon" and is a traditional Afro Cuban Folkloric drum.........a lot of the new ones have the rattle built into the slap sound (not unlike a snare). Like many colonialized countries, the oppressors always outlawed instruments and forgot to outlaw music......consequently, the Cubans played boxes instead of drums, the Brazilians invented Berimbaus, the Trinidadians pounded out steel drums to synthesize their outlawed drums, the Jews in Yemen started playing tin cans, lacking their traditional and spititual drums that their Islamic conquerors had forbidden. I love human creativity and perserverance!!! Whilst touring with Martin Simpson I saw an enterprising young percussionist who carried all of his gear in one of those fifties styled rounded plastic suitcases. After he took everything out of the case he then used brushes on it. He could get snare (slapping) sounds, a GREAT deep kick drum sound by just laying where the brush meets the handle onto the middle of the suitcase, forcefully and really cool 'hi hat'esque sounds by wisping the brushers lightly over the surface. He even got killer noises by brushing the bumpy surface of the suitcase. Very effective.........very compact. yours, loop.pool (rick) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 19:04:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01418; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 19:00:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 19:00:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008101c12c26$b2385460$0a004d0c@fart> From: "klem klemmingberg" To: References: Subject: Re: DL4 for saxophone ? Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 18:55:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com someone wrote: Hello, Is anyone can tell me if the DL4 as got a sufficient baude rate to sample correctly the saxophone ? I write: In my experience with the DL4 and sax, I'd say that you can certainly tell the real thing from the looped thing, but it's certainly decent enough for use with sax in a live situation, or with devolving multilayered loops, or in a situation where further treatment might be involved. I personally quite enjoy the combination of DL4 & sax, but it might not be to your taste. T om From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 19:05:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA32545; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 18:54:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 18:54:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010823154716.04431d20@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 15:52:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Conceptual "Repeater" question In-Reply-To: <99.19ba2ee5.28b6c9be@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com actually, you don't need multiple tracks to accomplish what you are trying to do. You just need overdub. If you don't need to switch between different parts (like verse/chorus) then every looper does this. If you do want to switch between parts, you just need a looper that supports multiple loops and overdubbing. That includes the Lexicon Jamman, the boomerang, the rc-20, and the Gibson Echoplex, in addition to the Repeater. kim At 02:03 PM 8/23/2001, AALev123@aol.com wrote: >I am am guitarist with minimal looping experience ( I had the Boss RC -20 for >a couple weeks but returned it for reasons that don't matter) anyway, the >question is this: For a multi track looper such as repeater, are you say >laying out an 8 bar rhythm part on guitar and then playing a bass line over >that 8 bar loop on a separate track. When you play the loop you get the >rhythm guitar and the bass playing together right? so if you then recorded a >chorus section the same way with a different guitar and bass part you could >step on some type of footswitch and go back and forth between the verse and >chorus parts soloing over each for days on end ........right? ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 19:34:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02902; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 19:32:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 19:32:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 19:31:48 EDT Subject: Another Conceptual Looper question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Are there any devices out there that enable simultaneous playing of loops of different lengths. (I thought Repeater might do this but it turns out, from the manual, that the 4 independant "tracks" that make up a "loop" are limited to the same length.) I'm more interested in the interplay between overlapping/ interweaving textures/ rythmns (how the "ones" interact) than in syncing everything to a "master". Is the only way to do this, for now, with seperate devices? Could this function be integrated into Repeater in a future software upgrade or would it entail a hardware "fix". Also, I'm assuming, again from the on-line manual, that the "feedback" level of each "track" within a given "loop" can have a seperate setting (or, through midi, be independantly controlled in real time) until the "tracks" are "bounced"? - paul PS: Looking forward to picking up a Repeater, not only for it's live, texturely applications, but also so I can finally do something in a live setting with the Metasynth snippetts I've been creating over the years - should be cool! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 20:31:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06194; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 20:29:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 20:29:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <2.76043283939362.316.336909770966@1.00012619347121> X-Sender: X-Mailer: Ken's Useful eMail Suite v5.1 Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 20:19:51 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ken Subject: gig: World Manipulation: Ken'sLastEverRadioExtravaganza 8/25 7-9pm wfmu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <5X3wYB.A.YgB.S_Zh7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ken's Last Ever Radio Extravaganza: World Manipulation on WFMU 91.1fm wfmu.org Sat. Aug. 25, 7-9pm A collaboration with Rob Weisberg of WFMU's Transpacific Sound Paradise In the first hour of this show (7-8pm), Rob will play selections from the esteemed OCORA series of ethnographic recordings. In the second hour (8-9pm), Ken will use the music played in the first hour as the basis for a multidimensional multilayered audio montage. These world recordings are amazing to hear on their own, so don't miss Rob's 7-8pm portion of the show. What will happen from 8-9pm is unknown until it happens. As ever, the combination, manipulation, rearranging, repeating, and possibly butchering will all occur in a live, improvised forum. It may hypnotize or agonize. Note: This is a RADIO SHOW. To experience it you either tune a radio to 91.1fm (in general NYC area) or 90.1fm (in vaguely upstate area), or you listen to one of the live internet streams (see below). More on the past 250+ unique instances of Ken's Last Ever Radio Extravaganza? : Go to http://free-music.com/ken/extrav/ Hear some old shows you missed? : Go to http://free-music.com/ken/extrav/audio/ Get physical CD's of past shows, and support this ongoing audio experiment? : Email Ken, kenzo@free-music.com SUMMARY: * Sat. 8/25 7-9pm (Rob's world music source material at 7, Ken's world manipulation at 8) * WFMU 91.1fm, 90.1fm * Live via internet: See links at http://free-music.com/ken/extrav/ by Saturday - Ken kenzo@free-music.com ken's last ever radio extravaganza http://free-music.com/ken/extrav/ Living beings? : Or corporations? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 23:02:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA16213; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 23:00:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 23:00:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AALev123@aol.com Message-ID: <78.19a5a1e6.28b71d27@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 22:59:51 EDT Subject: Re: Conceptual "Repeater" question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Resent-Message-ID: <9y-dt.A.98D.yMch7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I do want to be able to switch between parts and possibly pull out the bass , which I assume would be the same as pulling track 2 out and then dialing it back in ,also being able to save it all after power down is nice. Do any of the other units you mentioned do this or maybe acomplish this in a different way? thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 02:04:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA26486; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 02:02:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 02:02:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 02:02:05 -0400 Subject: Who in NYC is going to the d/t show at K/F on this friday nite? From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Besides david, I mean... Whoever's going, it'd be nice to have a little looper's delight corner meeting to put faces to names, or to say, unsubscribe... I'll be there... Without a LD t-shirt. Maybe I'll just wear a noose... Or some other looping device. Lasso? Best, Todd Refer to this: David Torn wrote... i'll be improvising along with: robert creeley (poetry, MC), steve swallow (e-bass), david cast-T (winds/electronics), chris massey (drums) friday 8/24 knitting factory main space, leonard st, nyc: 8 & 10pm shows From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 03:45:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA30718; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 03:43:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 03:43:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@fixme User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 00:41:54 -0700 Subject: Gig Spam [Seattle, WA]: Electrochakra @ Zoka 8/24/01 From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Electrochakra will be playing at Zoka Coffee & Tea (2200 N. 56th Street), this Friday (August 24th) between 8 and 11PM. Admission is free. Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett Electrochakra -- Electrochakra website: http://www.electrochakra.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 04:55:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA01700; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 04:53:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 04:53:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Eric Zang" To: Subject: zoom 508: looper with different lengths Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 02:05:37 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The zoom 508 delay can have two independent loops, up to 4 sec in length each. Set feedback to max and the seemless option to infinity. One can play into patch A, then switch to patch B. If you then switch again, you'll lose sound in patch A, but B will continue. You can then play into a patch again, resulting in B+C, and so on, C+D etc. This little box has suprisingly acceptable sound quality. Recommended is to connect a footswitch for hold function (uses negative polarity I think, eg. yamaha) and a volume pedal on the input can be helpful of course. BTW, the zoom 509 modulator is the best sounding low budget pitch shifter I've heard. It can even run two pitchshifters in series for some thick strange harmonies. Eric Zang http://listen.to/zang World Music in AZ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 05:01:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA03082; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 04:59:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 04:59:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Eric Zang" To: Subject: DOD Dimension 12 looper/delay 4 sale, + more Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 02:11:00 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com DOD Dimension 12 D12 12 second delay, live sampler - $100. With power supply. No manual, but fairly straight forward. DOD shows a link online for it, but the link doesn't work. dbx 386 dual tube preamp with digital out - $360. With manual, a/c power. digitech vocalist access or vr - $250. I have the access. I was told by digitech that the only difference between the access and vr is the face plate. They changed manufacturing plants and had to make the change for legal reasons. With manual and power supply. tech 21 sansamp acoustic di - $115. With box and manual, and a dc power supply. ART Tube MP - $70. With power supply. Note, according to user reviews, many if not all of these units have a hum in them. By setting the in and out levels for optimum signal to noise ratio, the hum is covered and practically not heard. I can accept paypal (+ paypal charge of 2.9%), + shipping. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 05:53:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA04600; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 05:52:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 05:52:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 22:43:56 -0700 From: Tim Thompson Subject: RE: MIDI Still? In-reply-to: <457D24A77D96D511960F00805FA6BAED065B@exchsvr.dhdomain> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01e101c12c5f$c49997c0$19a8a8c0@thompsonresidence.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>> I have some software which is capable of realtime transmission of MIDI >>> between several sites, and which keeps each site synced so that it hears >>> things from the other sites synced to its local clock (but offset by a >>> fixed number of beats). > > Tell me more! > tell us all more !!!!!!!!!!!!! The software I described is written in Keykit, a programming language developed specifically for algorithmic and realtime MIDI things. For info on Keykit, see http://nosuch.com/keykit . If you have a PC and are interested in experimenting with the realtime transmission thing, send me mail directly. ...Tim Thompson...tjt@nosuch.com... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 07:45:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA10159; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 07:44:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 07:44:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 07:43:33 EDT Subject: Re: Who in NYC is going to the d/t show at K/F on this friday nite? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just to clarify --- it's not a 'd/t show'..... 'tis a robert creeley show. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 07:48:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA10406; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 07:47:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 07:47:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001601c12c93$0b94cb80$3e1676d5@pandora.be> From: "maninspace" To: References: Subject: Re: dl4 for saxophone Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 13:51:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I sometimes grab some sax in my dl 4, when improvising with Duke Scarlett. The fact that there is a difference in sound between the sax and the loop, makes the two stand out better in the mix imo. Jan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 09:38:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16715; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 09:36:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 09:36:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 09:35:20 EDT Subject: Mics for field recording To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Beware the Sony stereo mics. I've looked inside 3 of these.(and tried them out) Two of them had a really strange capsule arrangement, 2 cardiod transducers pointing in opposite directions. That may be usable in some cases, but will never give a 'proper' stereo image, and in fact is not one of the many 'officially accepted' set ups for stereo. One of those mics was fixable with a small file, a screwdriver, and some pliers. The other was unchangable( an old dynamic job that only cost me a tenner). The third mic had one transducer pointing forwards, and the other, (which would nominally be figure 8, but actually closely resembled the other capsule) was pointing sidewards. This was just an awful sounding mic, I was offered it for free and declined. These mics can sometimes be bought secondhand very cheaply, in which case they're probably worth it. But some of the list prices (and second hand prices) are just not worth it. I guess Sony just don't have the mic expertise. If your going to spend a bit, get a Beyer or a Sennheiser, firms that have been making good mics for years. Disclaimer- I've heard some folks praise their particular Sony mic, and I haven't heard (or disassembled) them all. On a budget(30 GBP), Studiospares do a lapel mounting stereo job which is actually very useable. (as long as you don't use the supplied battery pack). andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 09:42:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16986; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 09:40:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 09:40:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007a01c12ca1$b6ccdac0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Another Conceptual Looper question Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 08:36:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Are there any devices out there that enable simultaneous playing of loops of > different lengths. Some consider it pricey, but a Kyma system will do this quite easily. With all it's capabilities, I consider it cheap at $3300.00 (USD) for a basic unit. It requires an outboard computer. (Does that make it more than one device?) Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 10:05:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19350; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:04:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:04:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:03:50 -0400 Subject: Re: Who in NYC is going to the d/t show at K/F on this friday nite? From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 8/24/01 7:43 AM, "Hedewa7@aol.com" wrote: > just to clarify --- > it's not a 'd/t show'..... > 'tis a robert creeley show. > best, > dt / s-c > Oops, sorry, d/t. Got it... todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 10:12:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA15835; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 09:11:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 09:11:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <13d.4574d0.28b7ac51@aol.com> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 09:10:41 EDT Subject: Re: Another Conceptual Looper question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I'm more interested in the interplay between > overlapping/ interweaving textures/ rythmns (how the "ones" interact) than > in > syncing everything to a "master". The 'only looper ever' to allow multiple loops of different times was the Zoom 2100. It has a Jam Play feature with 3 independant loopers, each of max 5s. The only way to synch them together is to use the full 5s for each loop. Unfortunatly you have to hold all 3 switches down to keep them all going. The best solution to your needs would be multiple EDPs, as you can have different loop lengths which are multiples of the same length if you like (so the loops come back into sync every so often) Cheapest solution if you still want layered loops would be to have one fully functioning looper with overdubing, and as many as you need "cheapo Zoom-type learn guitar riffs in your bedroom" loopers. Then you could layer up each loop in turn and then copy it onto one of the little loopers. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 10:30:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20611; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:28:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:28:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:27:58 -0400 Subject: Filter factory or mofx still around? From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anybody know of any blowout electrix products still hanging out in back-country stores anywhere? Filter factory, mofx? Or is this an ebay moment... Best, Todd Reynolds From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 10:55:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21703; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:53:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:53:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009401c12cab$fa19a920$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <13d.4574d0.28b7ac51@aol.com> Subject: real spacey sounds Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 09:49:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com NASA provides real-time audio sounds from space. "You can hear sferics, tweeks, whistlers and other VLF radio sounds at any time of the day, but the hours around dawn and dusk are generally best. Nighttime is also better than daytime. In Huntsville, AL, where our online receiver is located, dawn happens at about 1200 UT and dusk is ten hours later at 2200 UT. Please read the Science@NASA story "Earth Songs" to find out what these strange sounds represent." They also have samples. http://www.spaceweather.com/glossary/inspire.html My office computer doesn't have a sound card so I can't check this out right now. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 11:01:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23116; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:59:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:59:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 07:58:55 -0700 Subject: Re: Mics for field recording From: kevin cooney To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just a note on Andy's comment about Sony mics. The "strange capsule arrangement" is probably an M/S configuration, which is one of the more accurate ways to capture a stereo field -- at least from what I understand. I have and older pistol shaped, three capsule M/S microphone from Sony that I used for years with a Walkman Pro. It was the best inexpensive (under $200) mini-jack microphone I've ever heard, and made wonderful in the field recordings. Unfortunately it's not longer in the lineup. I have been less impressed with some of the newer Sony mics coming out now. They don't seem to have the sensitivity the old one did. That said, for the money they're useful for field recordings and interesting tools for live. Sony has been in the microphone business since the late nineteen forties, I'm sure that their competitors at Beyer and Sennheiser treat their microphone expertise with due respect. Best, Kevin on 8/24/01 6:35 AM, SoundFNR@aol.com at SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > Beware the Sony stereo mics. > I've looked inside 3 of these.(and tried them out) > Two of them had a really strange capsule arrangement, 2 cardiod transducers > pointing in opposite directions. That may be usable in some cases, but will > never give a 'proper' stereo image, and in fact is not one of the many > 'officially accepted' set ups for stereo. > One of those mics was fixable with a small file, a screwdriver, and some > pliers. > The other was unchangable( an old dynamic job that only cost me a tenner). > The third mic had one transducer pointing forwards, and the other, (which > would nominally be figure 8, but actually closely resembled the other > capsule) was pointing sidewards. This was just an awful sounding mic, I was > offered it for free and declined. > > These mics can sometimes be bought secondhand very cheaply, in which case > they're probably worth it. > But some of the list prices (and second hand prices) are just not worth it. > > I guess Sony just don't have the mic expertise. > > If your going to spend a bit, get a Beyer or a Sennheiser, firms that have > been making good mics for years. > > Disclaimer- I've heard some folks praise their particular Sony mic, and I > haven't heard (or disassembled) them all. > > On a budget(30 GBP), Studiospares do a lapel mounting stereo job which is > actually very useable. (as long as you don't use the supplied battery pack). > > andy butler > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 11:34:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24634; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 11:32:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 11:32:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:33:51 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Mics for field recording To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <03e901c12cb2$2ce8ce20$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i've seen a lot of people taping shows with two little clip-on omnes clipped to their glasses (one on each side) this is supposed to sound something like the head that sennheiser made with mikes in the ears. i haven't tried it myself, but i bet it sounds best when played back through headphones... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 11:40:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24999; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 11:38:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 11:38:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: tri.tran@baesystems.com Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:37:47 -0500 Subject: RE: Filter factory or mofx still around? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C12CB2.B975CAF0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12CB2.B975CAF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Musician Friend's still have some left. Check them out. -----Original Message----- From: todd reynolds [mailto:toddreynolds@rcn.com] Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 9:28 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Filter factory or mofx still around? Does anybody know of any blowout electrix products still hanging out in back-country stores anywhere? Filter factory, mofx? Or is this an ebay moment... Best, Todd Reynolds ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12CB2.B975CAF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: Filter factory or mofx still around?

Musician Friend's still have some left.  Check them out.

-----Original Message-----
From: todd reynolds [mailto:toddreynolds@rcn.com]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 9:28 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Filter factory or mofx still around?


Does anybody know of any blowout electrix products still hanging out in
back-country stores anywhere?  Filter factory, mofx?  Or is this an ebay
moment...

Best,

Todd Reynolds

------_=_NextPart_001_01C12CB2.B975CAF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 11:45:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25302; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 11:42:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 11:42:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00aa01c12cb2$c5629e60$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Mics for field recording Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:38:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <2VFu6D.A._KG.KXnh7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Speaking of "Mics for field recording"... Has anybody played with a SoundField mic? It's touted as a single point mic which captures a 3-D image. "The SoundField microphone itself contains four capsules, mounted in a tetrahedral array (tetrahedral describes an equilateral triangle). " http://www.transaudiogroup.com/ and click on SoundField Pricey. $3999 (USD) If we had more info, us DIY types could make a pale imitation that would be fun to experiment with. Anybody have a patent number from this puppy? Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 13:18:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06208; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 13:14:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 13:14:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012001c12cc0$25636b20$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <13d.4574d0.28b7ac51@aol.com> <009401c12cab$fa19a920$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Here's Something Fun Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:13:49 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Resent-Message-ID: <9-AXmB.A.FeB.Ptoh7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ...for those of us that like ambient music, goto http://www.spiderbytes.com/ambientrance/0701contest.htm - the author's got a Ambient Refrigerator Magnet game under the auspices of a contest. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.live365.com/stations/218194 * EarthLight Online / Live! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 14:09:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10677; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 14:06:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 14:06:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B869770.B8E1E19C@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 11:05:37 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Another Conceptual Looper question References: <13d.4574d0.28b7ac51@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you don't care about "real-time" looping, I can recommend LiSa for the Macintosh OS. It allows you to sample any sound, have it preset to loop, regardless of the length of loop. For more info: http://www.steim.nl/products.html Mark Sottilaro SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > > I'm more interested in the interplay between > > overlapping/ interweaving textures/ rythmns (how the "ones" interact) than > > in > > syncing everything to a "master". > The 'only looper ever' to allow multiple loops of different times was the > Zoom 2100. > It has a Jam Play feature with 3 independant loopers, each of max 5s. The > only way to synch them together is to use the full 5s for each loop. > Unfortunatly you have to hold all 3 switches down to keep them all going. > The best solution to your needs would be multiple EDPs, as you can have > different loop lengths which are multiples of the same length if you like (so > the loops come back into sync every so often) > Cheapest solution if you still want layered loops would be to have one fully > functioning looper with overdubing, and as many as you need "cheapo Zoom-type > learn guitar riffs in your bedroom" loopers. Then you could layer up each > loop in turn and then copy it onto one of the little loopers. > > andy butler > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 14:32:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11706; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 14:30:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 14:30:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B869D39.2D7F3C24@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 11:30:17 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Filter factory or mofx still around? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (cut to Jethro Bodeen's favorite music store) Jeb, just what in tarnation is that damn blinky box? Donno, cousin - brother Jimbob, but when I hooked up my electrictronical banjo up to it... it twern't natural, I tell ya! (desolve to tight shot of Todd Reynolds, his eyes welled up with tears) sniff-sniff There has to be one out there somewhere! sniff todd reynolds wrote: > Does anybody know of any blowout electrix products still hanging out in > back-country stores anywhere? Filter factory, mofx? Or is this an ebay > moment... > > Best, > > Todd Reynolds From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 14:45:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12527; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 14:43:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 14:43:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B86A0A8.2C76A87B@pathcom.com> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 14:44:55 -0400 From: hutton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mics for field recording References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5ee8W.A.SDD.bBqh7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What models are you referring to? ........ must ID. to understand. SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > Beware the Sony stereo mics. > I've looked inside 3 of these.(and tried them out) > Two of them had a really strange capsule arrangement, 2 cardiod transducers > pointing in opposite directions. That may be usable in some cases, but will > never give a 'proper' stereo image, and in fact is not one of the many > 'officially accepted' set ups for stereo. > One of those mics was fixable with a small file, a screwdriver, and some > pliers. > The other was unchangable( an old dynamic job that only cost me a tenner). > The third mic had one transducer pointing forwards, and the other, (which > would nominally be figure 8, but actually closely resembled the other > capsule) was pointing sidewards. This was just an awful sounding mic, I was > offered it for free and declined. > > These mics can sometimes be bought secondhand very cheaply, in which case > they're probably worth it. > But some of the list prices (and second hand prices) are just not worth it. > > I guess Sony just don't have the mic expertise. > > If your going to spend a bit, get a Beyer or a Sennheiser, firms that have > been making good mics for years. > > Disclaimer- I've heard some folks praise their particular Sony mic, and I > haven't heard (or disassembled) them all. > > On a budget(30 GBP), Studiospares do a lapel mounting stereo job which is > actually very useable. (as long as you don't use the supplied battery pack). > > andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 15:16:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15247; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 15:13:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 15:13:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 15:12:56 -0400 Subject: Re: Filter factory or mofx still around? From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3B869D39.2D7F3C24@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Are you trying to tell me that this guy named jeb has one, and he's a frickin' BANJO PLAYER? I got a connection with them folks over at pony express, and I can hunt him down quite easy. He probably has one a 'dem gol darn re-peters by now too. Help me find this jeb 'n jimbob pair 'n I'll show 'em a thing 'er two... (but seriously folks, 'cuz of the brilliance of this list, a feller sent me some stats on EXACTLY where to find em, and now their on the way... A FF AND a MOFX Todd On 8/24/01 2:30 PM, "Mark Sottilaro" wrote: > (cut to Jethro Bodeen's favorite music store) > > Jeb, just what in tarnation is that damn blinky box? > > Donno, cousin - brother Jimbob, but when I hooked up my electrictronical > banjo up to it... it twern't natural, I tell ya! > > (desolve to tight shot of Todd Reynolds, his eyes welled up with tears) > > sniff-sniff There has to be one out there somewhere! sniff > > todd reynolds wrote: > >> Does anybody know of any blowout electrix products still hanging out in >> back-country stores anywhere? Filter factory, mofx? Or is this an ebay >> moment... >> >> Best, >> >> Todd Reynolds > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 15:22:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15849; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 15:20:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 15:20:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 15:19:48 -0400 Subject: Re: Another Conceptual Looper question From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3B869770.B8E1E19C@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Even if you find Instant Player, you can use multiple copies of them to just have the files looping... Ftp.amug.org I mean this one is REAL simple, but completely effective... Just drag files onto the icon... Then again, there is this one... http://www.blackcatsystems.com It's a program called sound byte... You can trigger soundfiles from the mac keypad, looped or not, real cool. Does whut yer thinkin' 'bout Hope this helps T. On 8/24/01 2:05 PM, "Mark Sottilaro" wrote: > If you don't care about "real-time" looping, I can recommend LiSa for the > Macintosh OS. It allows you to sample any sound, have it preset to loop, > regardless of the length of loop. For more info: > > http://www.steim.nl/products.html > > Mark Sottilaro > > SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > >>> I'm more interested in the interplay between >>> overlapping/ interweaving textures/ rythmns (how the "ones" interact) than >>> in >>> syncing everything to a "master". >> The 'only looper ever' to allow multiple loops of different times was the >> Zoom 2100. >> It has a Jam Play feature with 3 independant loopers, each of max 5s. The >> only way to synch them together is to use the full 5s for each loop. >> Unfortunatly you have to hold all 3 switches down to keep them all going. >> The best solution to your needs would be multiple EDPs, as you can have >> different loop lengths which are multiples of the same length if you like (so >> the loops come back into sync every so often) >> Cheapest solution if you still want layered loops would be to have one fully >> functioning looper with overdubing, and as many as you need "cheapo Zoom-type >> learn guitar riffs in your bedroom" loopers. Then you could layer up each >> loop in turn and then copy it onto one of the little loopers. >> >> andy butler >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 15:22:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15931; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 15:21:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 15:21:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 15:21:11 -0400 Subject: Re: Repeater frenzy From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01ad01c12c00$af5b6870$080210ac@jpalmer> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 8/23/01 2:23 PM, "jim palmer" wrote: > > >> i have no pants on- > > i have no silver jumpsuit on- > Can we stop there before someone gets hurt? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 17:17:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23172; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 17:14:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 17:14:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Importance: Normal Subject: EDP for Sale on EBAY To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.07a May 14, 2001 Message-ID: From: "John Schumacher" Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 17:11:13 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on d27ml601/27/M/IBM(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 08/24/2001 04:11:14 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My wife and I had a baby a couple of months ago and my home studio space has become a nursery with me having little time or space left to play and need for cash for other priorities. I have been selling off most of my gear and after much debate I putting up for sale one of my favorite pieces of equipment, a Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro (EDP) with the foot controller. If interested here is the URL for the auction on ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1458999533 Thanks, John From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 18:24:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27143; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:23:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:23:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014701c12ceb$1db7b540$c7135cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #231 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:21:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed with a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #231 August 23, 2001. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Radio Massacre International (RMI), a group from the UK that embraces improvisational emusic even in the studio. The feature CD at midnight was the two CD set "Frozen North" released on the Centaur label. The first disc was featured. Radio Massacre International http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2001/focus01.html#aug PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Spectral Voices Smile of the Dew Coalescence (Spectral Spiral) Spectral Voices Celestial Tides Coalescence (Spectral Spiral) Tom Heasley Ground Zero Where the Earth Meets the Sky (Hypnos) Thom Brennan Pond Life Mist (SpaceForMusic.com) Dweller at the Automatic Writing Ouroborus (Hypnos/Binary) Threshold Seofon Collecting the Spirits Zero Point (Hypnos/The Foundry) Wavestar Tangent Zenith (Groove) 12:00 am RMI Wrecks Frozen North (Centaur) RMI What's the Point of Frozen North (Centaur) Going to Crete? RMI Small Frozen North Frozen North (Centaur) RMI Rosemary's Baby Frozen North (Centaur) RMI Drown * Frozen North (Centaur) 1:00 am Robert Carty Live at the Old Church in Portland, Oregon, 7-28-01 2:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Radio Massacre International. The feature CD at midnight will be "Organ Harvest" on the Centaur label. I will play the music of Tom Heasley (tuba, loops, processing) and Jim Cole's Spectral Voices (harmonic singing) in support of their upcoming concert at the Gathering in Philadelphia. As part of WDIY's Salute to Records, I will play some examples of what brought me to electronic music as well as some classic tracks from the early masters of space music. The Gathering http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/events.html Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, send email to: emusic-wdiy-subscribe@yahoogroups.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 19:03:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28376; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:51:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:51:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c12cf0$8494c500$09120b3e@c3v8b8> From: "tiscali" To: References: <014701c12ceb$1db7b540$c7135cd1@-> Subject: R: EMUSIC Playlist #231 Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 01:00:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com accynny hypnotic guitars(www.rustyrobot.com) album: HYPNOS. grazie grazianoaccinni@tiscalinet.it ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Fox To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 12:21 AM Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #231 > [ Best viewed with a fixed spacing font. ] > > EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday > at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in > Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. > > Show #231 August 23, 2001. > > > RECAP: > On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Radio Massacre International > (RMI), a group from the UK that embraces improvisational emusic even in the > studio. The feature CD at midnight was the two CD set "Frozen North" > released on the Centaur label. The first disc was featured. > > Radio Massacre International > http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2001/focus01.html#aug > > > PLAYLIST: > > ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) > ======================= ======================== ============================== > 11:04 pm > Spectral Voices Smile of the Dew Coalescence (Spectral Spiral) > Spectral Voices Celestial Tides Coalescence (Spectral Spiral) > Tom Heasley Ground Zero Where the Earth Meets the Sky > (Hypnos) > Thom Brennan Pond Life Mist (SpaceForMusic.com) > Dweller at the Automatic Writing Ouroborus (Hypnos/Binary) > Threshold > Seofon Collecting the Spirits Zero Point (Hypnos/The Foundry) > Wavestar Tangent Zenith (Groove) > > 12:00 am > RMI Wrecks Frozen North (Centaur) > RMI What's the Point of Frozen North (Centaur) > Going to Crete? > RMI Small Frozen North Frozen North (Centaur) > RMI Rosemary's Baby Frozen North (Centaur) > RMI Drown * Frozen North (Centaur) > > 1:00 am > Robert Carty Live at the Old Church in Portland, Oregon, 7-28-01 > > 2:00 am > > * = exerpt > VA = Various Artists (compilation) > > > NEXT SHOW: > On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Radio Massacre > International. The feature CD at midnight will be "Organ Harvest" on the > Centaur label. > > I will play the music of Tom Heasley (tuba, loops, processing) and Jim Cole's > Spectral Voices (harmonic singing) in support of their upcoming concert at the > Gathering in Philadelphia. > > As part of WDIY's Salute to Records, I will play some examples of what brought > me to electronic music as well as some classic tracks from the early masters of > space music. > > The Gathering http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/events.html > > > Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html > ============================================================================ === > Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at > 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and > Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. > Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org > Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox > To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, send > email to: emusic-wdiy-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 19:03:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28507; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:53:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:53:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B86DAED.8328C1AE@pathcom.com> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:53:33 -0400 From: hutton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater frenzy References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is all very sweet .......... try formatting the supplied disk in you new Repeater ...... You will put your pants back on! ......... To Format follow the manual carefully ...... Oh! What's this!!!!!!!!!! ....... Turn the Repeater upside down and insert disk ........ This is how these cards format ...... To make it simple, leave it in normal position and put the Godam card in upside down ....... This will work with or without a silver jumpsuit on! Chris Hutton Majestic Twelve Prods. Toronto Canada todd reynolds wrote: > On 8/23/01 2:23 PM, "jim palmer" wrote: > > > > > > >> i have no pants on- > > > > i have no silver jumpsuit on- > > > > Can we stop there before someone gets hurt? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 19:30:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30902; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 19:29:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 19:29:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:16:28 -0700 From: Anthony Justman Subject: Re: Filter factory or mofx still around? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004e01c12cf2$cff78ee0$0300a8c0@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0049_01C12CB8.2177F9C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C12CB8.2177F9C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Filter factory or mofx still around?i have a mofx that i'd be = willing to part with. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Anthony Justman San Francisco California pantonio@pacbell.net www.greatgodpan.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: tri.tran@baesystems.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 8:37 AM Subject: RE: Filter factory or mofx still around? Musician Friend's still have some left. Check them out.=20 -----Original Message-----=20 From: todd reynolds [mailto:toddreynolds@rcn.com]=20 Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 9:28 AM=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: Filter factory or mofx still around?=20 Does anybody know of any blowout electrix products still hanging out = in=20 back-country stores anywhere? Filter factory, mofx? Or is this an = ebay=20 moment...=20 Best,=20 Todd Reynolds=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C12CB8.2177F9C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Filter factory or mofx still around?
i have a mofx that i'd be willing to part = with.
 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Anthony Justman
San Francisco = California
pantonio@pacbell.net
www.greatgodpan.com
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 tri.tran@baesystems.com =
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 = 8:37=20 AM
Subject: RE: Filter factory or = mofx still=20 around?

Musician Friend's still have some left.  Check = them=20 out.

-----Original Message-----
From: todd=20 reynolds [mailto:toddreynolds@rcn.com]=20
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 9:28 AM =
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Subject: Filter factory or mofx still = around?


Does anybody know of any blowout electrix products = still=20 hanging out in
back-country stores = anywhere? =20 Filter factory, mofx?  Or is this an ebay
moment...

Best,

Todd Reynolds

------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C12CB8.2177F9C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 19:39:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31382; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 19:36:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 19:36:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:25:24 -0700 From: Anthony Justman Subject: unknown "looping" device To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006401c12cf4$0f07db20$0300a8c0@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010823154716.04431d20@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I recently bought a TC Electronic D-Two delay box. Having used it for 3 wks now, I have to say it is awesome. I think it qualifies as a looping device as it has 10 sec mono delay and excellent musical features, including a dynamic feature that works live a sidechain feature or ducker and "rhythmic tapping", which is a tap tempo feature with which you can create 10 "tap" patterns and then quantize. on both percussion and rhythm tracks, it is so easy and so much fun. a friend just bought a nanolooper cartridge for his b/w gameboy and with that, the D-two and an MPX1 we improvised some incredible beats. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Anthony Justman San Francisco California pantonio@pacbell.net www.greatgodpan.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 3:52 PM Subject: Re: Conceptual "Repeater" question > actually, you don't need multiple tracks to accomplish what you are trying > to do. You just need overdub. If you don't need to switch between different > parts (like verse/chorus) then every looper does this. If you do want to > switch between parts, you just need a looper that supports multiple loops > and overdubbing. That includes the Lexicon Jamman, the boomerang, the > rc-20, and the Gibson Echoplex, in addition to the Repeater. > > kim > > At 02:03 PM 8/23/2001, AALev123@aol.com wrote: > >I am am guitarist with minimal looping experience ( I had the Boss RC -20 for > >a couple weeks but returned it for reasons that don't matter) anyway, the > >question is this: For a multi track looper such as repeater, are you say > >laying out an 8 bar rhythm part on guitar and then playing a bass line over > >that 8 bar loop on a separate track. When you play the loop you get the > >rhythm guitar and the bass playing together right? so if you then recorded a > >chorus section the same way with a different guitar and bass part you could > >step on some type of footswitch and go back and forth between the verse and > >chorus parts soloing over each for days on end ........right? > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 19:55:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31922; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 19:53:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 19:53:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 19:04:09 -0500 From: Mike Subject: Staccatto or something To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3B86EB79.607ADC17@swbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Resent-Message-ID: <7yew.A.cyH.sjuh7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm looking for a stomp box that will when pressed do a staccato number on the signal:sharp attack and cut-off, controllable rate. I have a number of gadgets but can't seem to get anything to do this hel hel hel hel hel help Mike Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 20:08:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01144; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 20:07:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 20:07:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: real spacey sounds Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 17:06:34 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 In-Reply-To: <009401c12cab$fa19a920$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You should check this out, Dennis. Cool stuff here. I've bookmarked the page and plan to go back later and pull some of this stuff down. Some of it is quite musical... Kevin > NASA provides real-time audio sounds from space. > > "You can hear sferics, tweeks, whistlers and other VLF radio sounds at any > time of the day, but the hours around dawn and dusk are generally best. > Nighttime is also better than daytime. In Huntsville, AL, where our online > receiver is located, dawn happens at about 1200 UT and dusk is ten hours > later at 2200 UT. Please read the Science@NASA story "Earth Songs" to find > out what these strange sounds represent." > > They also have samples. > > http://www.spaceweather.com/glossary/inspire.html > > My office computer doesn't have a sound card so I can't check > this out right > now. > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 20:15:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01635; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 20:14:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 20:14:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010825001424.80043.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 17:14:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Wessley Subject: Re: Staccatto or something To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3B86EB79.607ADC17@swbell.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You might try an effect called "repeat percussion", Vox made a unit that plugged directly into the guitar, they are pretty reasonably priced used. Nice extreme rate range and a square wave cut-off pattern. Cheers, Steve --- Mike wrote: > I'm looking for a stomp box that will when pressed > do a staccato number > on the signal:sharp attack and cut-off, controllable > rate. I have a > number of gadgets but can't seem to get anything to > do this > hel hel hel hel hel help > > Mike Killian > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 03:01:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA31328; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 02:59:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 02:59:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004f01c12d33$29f21ec0$df4528d5@a123456789> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: Subject: Re: EDP for Sale on EBAY Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 07:57:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <8aKOBB.A.zXH.ry0h7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 5 years down the road you'll be buying it back : ) Gareth > > My wife and I had a baby a couple of months ago and my home studio space > has become a nursery with me having little time or space left to play and > need for cash for other priorities. I have been selling off most of my > gear and after much debate I putting up for sale one of my favorite pieces > of equipment, a Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro (EDP) with the foot controller. > If interested here is the URL for the auction on ebay. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1458999533 > > Thanks, > > John > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 03:13:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA31952; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 03:12:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 03:12:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B874F73.60CEAB2C@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 00:10:43 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Staccatto or something References: <3B86EB79.607ADC17@swbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2rQSyC.A.BzH.q-0h7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's not a stomp box, but you can get a square wave tremolo from an Electrix MO-FX (you could tap the tempo, or derive it from a MIDI clock), if you can still find some. I still find it hard to believe that Electrix took these bad boys off the market. Seemed like such cool products. Mark Mike wrote: > I'm looking for a stomp box that will when pressed do a staccato number > on the signal:sharp attack and cut-off, controllable rate. I have a > number of gadgets but can't seem to get anything to do this > hel hel hel hel hel help > > Mike Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 09:24:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA32001; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 09:22:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 09:22:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 08:32:07 -0500 From: Mike Subject: Electrix Gear To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3B87A8D7.36128EB@swbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <3B86EB79.607ADC17@swbell.net> <3B874F73.60CEAB2C@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got some room left in my rack and would like to put in a couple of electrix boxes. How do these things mount? Are they side by side and if so do you need an adapter to fit into a standard rack? I can't tell by the pictures. thanks y'all Mike Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 10:06:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03558; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 10:05:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 10:05:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c12d6e$9d8e84a0$a0456f40@oemcomputer> From: "petr" To: Subject: OT: SKB rack advice Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 08:02:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can anyone tell me what's the difference between the SKB standard and roto rack cases? The roto ones are quite cheaper, seem to be only about one inch shorter, and do not have the back rails. Is there any difference in quality, material, design? And can I stack the standard one on top of the roto case? Thanks, petr petr@tryi.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 10:23:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04354; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 10:21:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 10:21:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 10:20:32 EDT Subject: Re: Mics for field recording To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Just a note on Andy's comment about Sony mics. > > The "strange capsule arrangement" is probably an M/S configuration, which is > one of the more accurate ways to capture a stereo field -- at least from > what I understand. > M/S would have one capsule (usually cardiod, but not always) pointing 'Forwards', and the other a figure 8 at 90 degrees to this. The 3rd Sony mic that I mentioned was obviously aiming at this. M/S is especially good for recording a single instrument, as that instrument will be directly on axis for the main capsule. The other two have 2 capsules pointing at 180 degrees to each other, so probably good for holding up vertically for capturing an all round ambience, but no good for recording a particular sound. Both mikes look as if you should point them straight at a sound source, one even has a false grill to support this impression. There are a number of different stereo miking techniques, and endless debate as to which is best. The 2 capsules pointing in opposite directions is not one of these, I've never seen it mentioned and was surprised to find it implemented in those mics. Of course you're right in saying that Sony have been making mikes for years, I should have said that they don't have great experience at making profesional audio mics. I would expect that if Sony really wanted to make a decent mic, they could, even if they had to buy in the expertise. So I wouldn't say don't buy that Sony, but just to be aware that they've made some duffers. Its always good to check the second hand shops for stereo mics, as they often don't look that expensive, so get sold for much under their worth. Typically at about 10% of the original price. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 10:36:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05143; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 10:34:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 10:34:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 10:33:38 EDT Subject: Re: Soundfield mic To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > If we had more info, us DIY types could make a pale imitation that would be > fun to experiment with. Anybody have a patent number from this puppy? > The idea of the Soundfield seems to be that it's like a stereo config, but that it is completely configurable as to the image width and the direction that it points in (left right, and up-down as well). If you record all 4 channels direct you can in effect make your recording, and position the mic afterwards. I think the original idea was to save time at expensive recording sessions. In order for this to work you need very high quality capsules, as the off axis sound must be as good as the on axis. So in essence its just 4 capsules pointing tetrahedrally, producing 4 signals which you can mix to stereo ( with the possibility of inverting the phase on any combination of signals) . well hope that helps andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 10:45:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05695; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 10:44:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 10:44:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: SKB rack advice Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 09:42:26 -0500 Message-ID: <001201c12d74$28ea6230$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <001a01c12d6e$9d8e84a0$a0456f40@oemcomputer> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The main difference is in the plastic which is a cheaper type of plastic (not ABS I think?). Also, the roto racks don't have rails on both the front and the back like the originals. If you are looking for something like the original SKB's at a lower cost, I came across a new mfg called Gator cases. Apparently, SKB's patent expired on the original design and Gator cases is now able to make essentially the same case even cheaper than the roto cases. Regards, Steve > -----Original Message----- > From: petr [mailto:petr@tryi.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 9:03 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: OT: SKB rack advice > > > Can anyone tell me what's the difference between the SKB > standard and roto rack cases? The roto ones are quite > cheaper, seem to be only about one inch shorter, and do not > have the back rails. Is there any difference in quality, > material, design? And can I stack the standard one on top of > the roto case? > > Thanks, > > petr > petr@tryi.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 10:55:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06425; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 10:54:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 10:54:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <102.7fbf369.28b91604@aol.com> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 10:53:56 EDT Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #473 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id KAA06326 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > What models are you referring to? ........ must ID. to understand. The 2 capsules askew mics are Sony F-99A (dynamic microphone) and Sony ECM-99 (electret condenser) the other mic was a Sony owned by a friend, don't remember the no. but I think it had 99 in it. Anyway it was very cheap & plasticy looking. the ECM-99 is OK if you open it up and modify it, and worthwhile if you can get it cheap ,but I've seen it on sale for over £100 second hand. If your really on a budget get the Alem 106 tie clip (stereo) also known as Vivanco EM216, cost you under £30 (under$60). I got this for stealth recording and because I didn't want to worry about my expensive Sennheiser on holiday. Acceptable results and plenty of bass. Great for ambient recordings of Turkish markets (etc. etc) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 12:22:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14841; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 12:21:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 12:21:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: muman@eskimo.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 09:21:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Repeater in first live performance Priority: normal In-reply-to: <00dd01c12bf0$2546b1e0$080210ac@jpalmer> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA14805 Resent-Message-ID: <49AiCC.A.knD.iB9h7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all, Last night I used my Repeater in performance with my improvisational space/beats duo, Thousand Year Warranty. On Friday morning, I wondered if the Bananas folks were right, that my Repeater would only take 2 days to ship from California (I live in Seattle). At 11:30, there was the man-in-brown, Repeater in hand. By 12:30, it was sitting in my rack (a space has been waiting) and I was sitting on the couch reading the manual. It only took a couple of go-throughs and I got the hang of it. It’s a bit different than working an EDP. I dumped the FS-300 footswitch in favor of single footswitch, it’s easier (for now). Well, we went on at midnight. The Repeater performed flawlessly. Everything synced to it without any dropouts. It sounded gorgeous, with minimal tweaking. I even caught my partner off-guard when I changed the tempo in the middle of a piece. It was worth the wait! Louis Hesselt-van-Dinter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 13:26:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21276; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:24:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:24:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:23:37 -0400 To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Who's Richard Pinhas? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I mentioned Richard Pinhas and Heldon here some months and several people had said that they had never heard of him. This is a pity because in my mind he is one of the originators of that sort of guitaristic loopy sound that we associate with the idea of Frippertronics -- and starting at about the same time. (The first song on the second Heldon album is called "In The Wake of King Fripp".) A French guitarist, he's played New York a few times in the last couple of years, but didn't get very big crowds at his Knitting Factory shows (a real shocker to me, particularly since one of them had the excellent SF writer Norman Spinrad reading along with the music -- it really worked well, too...) At the time, he was using two EDPs and various other gizmos I don't remember. At the worst, it's lots of looped synth sequences and guitar solos -- which isn't bad! But there are some excellent propulsive albums with assaultive drumming and sound all over the place -- "Interface" and "Stand-by" are the classics. It's a shame they never made live albums of this, because I have somewhere a bootleg tape of a concert in Germany that is completely over the top, around 1977, the drummer sounds like a machine shop and the guitarist a buzz saw, it's unearthly. Anyway, just wanted to get that out (one of the songs came up on my CD player...) References: none of these pages is very good and I can't find an official one is probably the best. "Interface" and "Stand-by" .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 13:49:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26695; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:48:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:48:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Mizuho@aol.com Message-ID: <145.7fdb33.28b93ec4@aol.com> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:47:48 EDT Subject: Re: Staccatto or something To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 146 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Try a Boss tremelo pedal with it set to a square wave. I know the GT-5 and VG-88 have this control so I am sure their little pedal would as well. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 13:54:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27310; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:52:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:52:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:45:04 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Who's Richard Pinhas? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <1XJOnD.A.bqG.iX-h7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sat, 25 Aug 2001, Tom Ritchford wrote: > It's a shame they never made live albums of > this, because I have somewhere a bootleg tape > of a concert in Germany that is completely over > the top, around 1977, the drummer sounds like a > machine shop and the guitarist a buzz saw, > it's unearthly. Well, you could pick up Heldon's _Un Reve..._ which has 2 live tracks, Pinhas' _Live, Paris 1982_ (this features a full band - not sure why this wasn't a Heldon release) which is a CD 2fer with _Rhizosphere_ or _Schizotrope: The Life and Death of Marie Zorn_ which is a live album from his 1999 North American tour with SF writer Maurice Dantec. That tour was a mind-blower! All of these are available on Cuneiform Records. -Adam ---- T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ http://mp3.com/darkaether/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 13:59:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28036; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:58:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:58:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:57:33 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Who's Richard Pinhas? Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:45 PM -0500 8/25/01, Adam Levin wrote: >On Sat, 25 Aug 2001, Tom Ritchford wrote: > > > It's a shame they never made live albums of > > this, because I have somewhere a bootleg tape > > of a concert in Germany that is completely over > > the top, around 1977, the drummer sounds like a > > machine shop and the guitarist a buzz saw, > > it's unearthly. > >Well, you could pick up Heldon's _Un Reve..._ which has 2 live tracks, >Pinhas' _Live, Paris 1982_ (this features a full band - not sure why >this wasn't a Heldon release) legal reasons, sigh? > which is a CD 2fer with _Rhizosphere_ or >_Schizotrope: The Life and Death of Marie Zorn_ which is a live album from >his 1999 North American tour with SF writer Maurice Dantec. That tour was >a mind-blower! All of these are available on Cuneiform Records. coolness, thanks for the heads-up! glad someone else knows about him. It was pretty ghastly to see him in the basement of the Knit playing to an audience of a couple of dozen... /t .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 14:18:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31364; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 14:16:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 14:16:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 14:14:15 -0400 To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" From: Tom Ritchford Subject: [nyc-show] slow season. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No progress. It's not forgotten, just lots of work around for me and dt and the slow summer season for others. We will get something together -- this shan't be dropped on the floor! Bask on... /t .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 15:39:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16747; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 15:37:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 15:37:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 15:37:25 EDT Subject: repeater question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For overdubbing within a track(s), can the "feedback level" (ie: fade level) be set/adjusted independantly for each of the four tracks within a loop or is there one "feedback level" for the the loop as a whole? Thanks - paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 15:54:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20389; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 15:53:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 15:53:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [193.89.189.131] From: "Jon Meinild" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: unknown "looping" device Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 19:52:20 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2001 19:52:20.0822 (UTC) FILETIME=[73C1DF60:01C12D9F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can only agree. The trumpetplayer in our ambient-project is using the D-Two, and it definitely qualifies as a live-looper. Kim, why isn't it in the "Tools of the trade"-list? Best Jon Meinild http://www.jogujo.com >I recently bought a TC Electronic D-Two delay box. Having used it for 3 >wks >now, I have to say it is awesome. I think it qualifies as a looping device >as it has 10 sec mono delay and excellent musical features, including a >dynamic feature that works live a sidechain feature or ducker and "rhythmic >tapping", which is a tap tempo feature with which you can create 10 "tap" >patterns and then quantize. > >on both percussion and rhythm tracks, it is so easy and so much fun. > >a friend just bought a nanolooper cartridge for his b/w gameboy and with >that, the D-two and an MPX1 we improvised some incredible beats. > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Anthony Justman >San Francisco California >pantonio@pacbell.net >www.greatgodpan.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 16:25:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27090; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 16:24:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 16:24:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006601c12da4$0d7f0840$5544f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200108251726.NAA22040@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: STACCATO device recommendation and more.......... Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:25:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <49IDFC.A.LmG.glAi7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mike Killian wrote: > I'm looking for a stomp box that will when pressed do a staccato number > on the signal:sharp attack and cut-off, controllable rate. I have a > number of gadgets Hey Mike, I just got the new Boss stomp pedal which has a stutter function like you describe in it. It is actually a stereo panning tremelo (as well as incredible intelligent pitch shifting and ersatz whammy bar effects) but when you hook it up in mono the signal cuts out as you pan causing a stutter. It's called the PS-5 Supershifter and I never thought I'd see the day but I'm actually going to replace my quirky, dirty, low fidelity, signal degrading but beloved Digitech Red Whammy Pitch Shifter pedal on my dayglo green pedal board (;-) because this one does so much more, with high fidelity, for a stomp box pedal. There is also the same effect in the Lexicon MPX100 multi effects rack mount (using the panning tremelo in mono again) which I am selling for the below reasons. I've been using that as a 'warbler' for my vocal and wind instrument improvisations. It works great. BTW, I'll part with that for $150 including shipping if you are interested........it actually has a hell of a lot of bang for the buck (great verbs, pitch shifting, modulation effects and very high fidelity in a one rack mount box). That's the best $150 anybody could ever spend for bang for the buck in signal processing. Very cool. I'm just beginning to get into it. yours, Rick P.S. For what it's worth, Si Moorhead, the brilliant engineer/musician who did all the recording for the Solo Bass Looping tour just demoed the Lexicon MPX500 multi effects module: Absolutely astonishing!!! It does so many really incredible things. I have not been so impressed with an effects unit in a long time and was dismayed to hear of it's $600 price tag. Well, low and behold, I just saw it in the Americian Music Supply catalogue (www.americanmusical.com) that came yesterday on sale for $399..........I'm not even thinking about it. George Bush is paying for this one dammit!!! Try it........you'll like it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 19:21:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12588; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 19:19:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 19:19:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010825161452.00ab08d0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 16:17:15 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: unknown "looping" device In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com when it came out, the few people who checked into it didn't seem to think much of it as a looper so I didn't make much priority to put a page up. (seems to be a nice delay though.) If you think otherwise, how about doing a good review of it's looping abilities and I'll make a section for it. kim At 12:52 PM 8/25/2001, Jon Meinild wrote: >I can only agree. The trumpetplayer in our ambient-project is using the >D-Two, and it definitely qualifies as a live-looper. >Kim, why isn't it in the "Tools of the trade"-list? > >Best > >Jon Meinild > >http://www.jogujo.com > > > >>I recently bought a TC Electronic D-Two delay box. Having used it for 3 wks >>now, I have to say it is awesome. I think it qualifies as a looping device >>as it has 10 sec mono delay and excellent musical features, including a >>dynamic feature that works live a sidechain feature or ducker and "rhythmic >>tapping", which is a tap tempo feature with which you can create 10 "tap" >>patterns and then quantize. >> >>on both percussion and rhythm tracks, it is so easy and so much fun. >> >>a friend just bought a nanolooper cartridge for his b/w gameboy and with >>that, the D-two and an MPX1 we improvised some incredible beats. >> >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>Anthony Justman >>San Francisco California >>pantonio@pacbell.net >>www.greatgodpan.com > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 01:14:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA14396; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 01:13:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 01:13:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d201c12dff$d2831180$67059818@default> From: "Daniel" To: , Cc: "Zueko" , "zuma" , "Alice Falls" , , "lady_didymus" , "zo" Subject: radio webring Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 01:22:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C12DCD.8402B4C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C12DCD.8402B4C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.radiowebring.tvheaven.com/radiowebring.html ------=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C12DCD.8402B4C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
http://www.radiowebring.tvheaven.com/radiowebring.html ------=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C12DCD.8402B4C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 01:14:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA14422; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 01:13:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 01:13:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005101c12ded$f4508020$6f0c5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: Who's Richard Pinhas? Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 01:14:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Tom Ritchford >coolness, thanks for the heads-up! glad someone else >knows about him. It was pretty ghastly to see him in the basement >of the Knit playing to an audience of a couple of dozen... I saw him in Philadelphia at The Gathering (http://thegatherings.org/17gather.html) in 1999. There were at least 100 people. His Iceland CD fits into my show's format. Cheers, Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, send email to: emusic-wdiy-subscribe@yahoogroups.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 09:37:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10537; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 09:35:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 09:35:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <11e.3bafe9e.28ba54e8@aol.com> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 09:34:32 EDT Subject: Re: repeater question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <1Zl67C.A.RkC.srPi7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com paul, >For overdubbing within a track(s), can the "feedback level" (ie: fade level) >be set/adjusted independantly for each of the four tracks within a loop >or is there one "feedback level" for the the loop as a whole? (somebody correct me if i's wroing (or misleading), here.....) w/repeater, a single loop is comprised of all 4 tracks. as w/the EDP, the entirety of the loop is accessed by only one feedback level. however: as the feedback level is only applicable when a given track is 'open', ie 'recording', and: as repeater's 'feedback level' is addressed via midiCC#11, then ye can alter it at will, eg 'in between' recording of the separate tracks. the unit will only record 1mono or 1stereo track in a 'pass'; effectively, this means that it's possible to have different feedback levels for each of the four tracks..... the altered feedback level isn't applied until a track is 'open'..... dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 09:45:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10919; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 09:44:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 09:44:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c12e2d$7e22cb20$0e0aa8c0@den> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <11e.3bafe9e.28ba54e8@aol.com> Subject: Re: repeater question Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 08:49:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't own a Repeater, so I can't address that issue. I have an EDP. It may be a bit misleading to say that the feedback (or as the first msg put it, "fade level") is only applicable when the track is being recorded. If I start a loop and then take the EDP out of recording/overdub mode (all lights green), the feedback control still applies to that loop. Maybe I misunderstood what you said? Just wanted to make sure that the poster had a good understanding of the EDP's capabilities. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 9:34 AM Subject: Re: repeater question > paul, > >For overdubbing within a track(s), can the "feedback level" (ie: fade level) > >be set/adjusted independantly for each of the four tracks within a loop > >or is there one "feedback level" for the the loop as a whole? > > (somebody correct me if i's wroing (or misleading), here.....) > > w/repeater, a single loop is comprised of all 4 tracks. > as w/the EDP, the entirety of the loop is accessed by only one feedback level. > however: > as the feedback level is only applicable when a given track is 'open', ie > 'recording', and: > as repeater's 'feedback level' is addressed via midiCC#11, > then ye can alter it at will, eg 'in between' recording of the separate > tracks. > the unit will only record 1mono or 1stereo track in a 'pass'; > effectively, this means that it's possible to have different feedback levels > for each of the four tracks..... > the altered feedback level isn't applied until a track is 'open'..... > dt / s-c > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 09:48:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11109; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 09:47:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 09:47:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c12e36$43d92320$b5021b41@KSCABLE.com> From: "Stan Greve" To: References: <005101c12ded$f4508020$6f0c5cd1@-> Subject: Re: Who's Richard Pinhas? Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 08:51:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks. i appreciate the reference. stan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Fox" To: Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 12:14 AM Subject: Re: Who's Richard Pinhas? > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Ritchford > >coolness, thanks for the heads-up! glad someone else > >knows about him. It was pretty ghastly to see him in the basement > >of the Knit playing to an audience of a couple of dozen... > > I saw him in Philadelphia at The Gathering > (http://thegatherings.org/17gather.html) in 1999. There were at least 100 > people. His Iceland CD fits into my show's format. > > Cheers, > > Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html > ============================================================================ === > Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at > 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and > Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. > Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org > Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox > To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, send > email to: emusic-wdiy-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 09:48:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11049; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 09:46:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 09:46:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001f01c12e36$28e82a20$b5021b41@KSCABLE.com> From: "Stan Greve" To: References: <00d201c12dff$d2831180$67059818@default> Subject: Re: radio webring Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 08:51:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C12E0C.3E7F4D20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C12E0C.3E7F4D20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thanks for the link. stan. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Daniel=20 To: Bowie-List@yahoogroups.com ; loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Cc: Zueko ; zuma ; Alice Falls ; LadyGr1nningSoul@aol.com ; = lady_didymus ; zo=20 Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 2:22 AM Subject: radio webring http://www.radiowebring.tvheaven.com/radiowebring.html ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C12E0C.3E7F4D20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
thanks for the link. stan.
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------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C12E0C.3E7F4D20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 10:26:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13414; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 10:25:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 10:25:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: repeater question Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 09:24:02 -0500 Message-ID: <001501c12e3a$c1002e80$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <000701c12e2d$7e22cb20$0e0aa8c0@den> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What is actual definition and purpose of "Feedback" and why would you want to control it? Steve > > I don't own a Repeater, so I can't address that issue. > > I have an EDP. It may be a bit misleading to say that the > feedback (or as the first msg put it, "fade level") is only > applicable when the track is being recorded. If I start a > loop and then take the EDP out of recording/overdub mode (all > lights green), the feedback control still applies to that loop. > > Maybe I misunderstood what you said? Just wanted to make > sure that the poster had a good understanding of the EDP's > capabilities. > > Doug > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 9:34 AM > Subject: Re: repeater question > > > > paul, > > >For overdubbing within a track(s), can the "feedback > level" (ie: fade > level) > > >be set/adjusted independantly for each of the four tracks > within a > > >loop or is there one "feedback level" for the the loop as a whole? > > > > (somebody correct me if i's wroing (or misleading), here.....) > > > > w/repeater, a single loop is comprised of all 4 tracks. > > as w/the EDP, the entirety of the loop is accessed by only one > > feedback > level. > > however: > > as the feedback level is only applicable when a given track > is 'open', > > ie 'recording', and: as repeater's 'feedback level' is > addressed via > > midiCC#11, then ye can alter it at will, eg 'in between' > recording of > > the separate tracks. > > the unit will only record 1mono or 1stereo track in a 'pass'; > > effectively, this means that it's possible to have > different feedback > levels > > for each of the four tracks..... > > the altered feedback level isn't applied until a track is > 'open'..... > > dt / s-c > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 10:35:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13927; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 10:34:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 10:34:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: Expression Pedal Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 09:32:32 -0500 Message-ID: <001b01c12e3b$f1382020$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <001501c12e3a$c1002e80$6501a8c0@stevespc> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have the following pedals and was wondering if anyone could tell me if they are good or not to use as expression pedals (or better left as volume pedals): Boss FV-50H Boss FV-50L Yamaha FC7 (I think?, there isn't a lable on it) Thanks, Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 10:50:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14653; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 10:48:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 10:48:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005201c12e36$7193ae20$0e0aa8c0@den> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <001501c12e3a$c1002e80$6501a8c0@stevespc> Subject: Re: repeater question Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 09:53:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd describe Feedback Level as: The volume level of the loop as it's fed back into the next loop. So if I leave it at Max, the loop never dies and stays at the same volume forever. If I back it off, each successive occurance of the loop is quieter, until it fades away. If I take to 0, the next occurance of the loop will be silent. Hope that helps. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: M. Steven Ginn To: Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 10:24 AM Subject: RE: repeater question > What is actual definition and purpose of "Feedback" and why would you > want to control it? > > Steve > > > > > I don't own a Repeater, so I can't address that issue. > > > > I have an EDP. It may be a bit misleading to say that the > > feedback (or as the first msg put it, "fade level") is only > > applicable when the track is being recorded. If I start a > > loop and then take the EDP out of recording/overdub mode (all > > lights green), the feedback control still applies to that loop. > > > > Maybe I misunderstood what you said? Just wanted to make > > sure that the poster had a good understanding of the EDP's > > capabilities. > > > > Doug > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 9:34 AM > > Subject: Re: repeater question > > > > > > > paul, > > > >For overdubbing within a track(s), can the "feedback > > level" (ie: fade > > level) > > > >be set/adjusted independantly for each of the four tracks > > within a > > > >loop or is there one "feedback level" for the the loop as a whole? > > > > > > (somebody correct me if i's wroing (or misleading), here.....) > > > > > > w/repeater, a single loop is comprised of all 4 tracks. > > > as w/the EDP, the entirety of the loop is accessed by only one > > > feedback > > level. > > > however: > > > as the feedback level is only applicable when a given track > > is 'open', > > > ie 'recording', and: as repeater's 'feedback level' is > > addressed via > > > midiCC#11, then ye can alter it at will, eg 'in between' > > recording of > > > the separate tracks. > > > the unit will only record 1mono or 1stereo track in a 'pass'; > > > effectively, this means that it's possible to have > > different feedback > > levels > > > for each of the four tracks..... > > > the altered feedback level isn't applied until a track is > > 'open'..... > > > dt / s-c > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 10:58:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15038; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 10:56:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 10:56:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 10:56:37 EDT Subject: Re: repeater question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <9UOumB.A.oqD.q4Qi7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com bickleypunk@pdq.net writes: >I don't own a Repeater, so I can't address that issue. i was responding to his repeater question, which relates to repeater's 'overdub feedback'-parameter. i only referred to the EDP, briefly, for analogy. i said..... >>> as w/the EDP, the entirety of the loop is accessed by only one feedback level. ..... & while we're here: the EDP's master 'feedback' is dynamically addressable, as well. >I have an EDP. me, too. use it pretty much every working day, along w/pcm42 and now repeater. >It may be a bit misleading to say that the feedback (or >as the first msg put it, "fade level") is only applicable when the track is >being recorded. If I start a loop and then take the EDP out of >recording/overdub mode (all lights green), the feedback control still >applies to that loop. i also use the EDP, which ---in my case--- has, historically, always had its 'feedback'-level set to full (or nearly full), so i can't speak intelligently to that issue..... >Maybe I misunderstood what you said? Just wanted to make sure that the >poster had a good understanding of the EDP's capabilities. thanks; you've reminded me to re-investigate other modes of EDP-functionality. but: for clarity's sake: i was responding directly to paul's specific 'repeater question'. dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 11:11:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16726; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 11:09:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 11:09:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 11:08:29 EDT Subject: Re: Repeater in first live performance To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Language: en X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA16700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com muman@eskimo.com writes: (after my snippage) >It’s a bit different than working an EDP. truth! they are indeed *great*, together. >I dumped the FS-300 footswitch in >favor of single footswitch, it’s easier (for now). i'm using the peavey pc1600 midi-faderbox as a controller..... >Well, we went on at midnight. The Repeater performed flawlessly. >Everything synced to it without any dropouts. It sounded gorgeous, >with minimal tweaking. I even caught my partner off-guard when I >changed the tempo in the middle of a piece. It was worth the wait! agreed! dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 11:22:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17530; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 11:21:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 11:21:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: repeater question Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 10:19:42 -0500 Message-ID: <000301c12e42$8801c0a0$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <005201c12e36$7193ae20$0e0aa8c0@den> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks! > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Cox [mailto:bickleypunk@pdq.net] > Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 8:53 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: repeater question > > > I'd describe Feedback Level as: > The volume level of the loop as it's fed back into the next loop. > > So if I leave it at Max, the loop never dies and stays at the > same volume forever. If I back it off, each successive > occurance of the loop is quieter, until it fades away. If I > take to 0, the next occurance of the loop will be silent. > > Hope that helps. > > Doug > ----- Original Message ----- > From: M. Steven Ginn > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 10:24 AM > Subject: RE: repeater question > > > > What is actual definition and purpose of "Feedback" and why > would you > > want to control it? > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > I don't own a Repeater, so I can't address that issue. > > > > > > I have an EDP. It may be a bit misleading to say that > the feedback > > > (or as the first msg put it, "fade level") is only > applicable when > > > the track is being recorded. If I start a loop and then take the > > > EDP out of recording/overdub mode (all lights green), the > feedback > > > control still applies to that loop. > > > > > > Maybe I misunderstood what you said? Just wanted to make > sure that > > > the poster had a good understanding of the EDP's capabilities. > > > > > > Doug > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 9:34 AM > > > Subject: Re: repeater question > > > > > > > > > > paul, > > > > >For overdubbing within a track(s), can the "feedback > > > level" (ie: fade > > > level) > > > > >be set/adjusted independantly for each of the four tracks > > > within a > > > > >loop or is there one "feedback level" for the the loop as a > > > > >whole? > > > > > > > > (somebody correct me if i's wroing (or misleading), here.....) > > > > > > > > w/repeater, a single loop is comprised of all 4 tracks. > as w/the > > > > EDP, the entirety of the loop is accessed by only one feedback > > > level. > > > > however: > > > > as the feedback level is only applicable when a given track > > > is 'open', > > > > ie 'recording', and: as repeater's 'feedback level' is > > > addressed via > > > > midiCC#11, then ye can alter it at will, eg 'in between' > > > recording of > > > > the separate tracks. > > > > the unit will only record 1mono or 1stereo track in a 'pass'; > > > > effectively, this means that it's possible to have > > > different feedback > > > levels > > > > for each of the four tracks..... > > > > the altered feedback level isn't applied until a track is > > > 'open'..... > > > > dt / s-c > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 11:29:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17811; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 11:27:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 11:27:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006701c12e3b$eb7becc0$0e0aa8c0@den> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: Subject: Re: repeater question Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 10:32:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com First, let me say that I hope you understand I was only trying to clarify. I hold you in such high regard, that it makes my stomach sour to think that you *might* have perceived me as being "difficult"!!! :) > > >Maybe I misunderstood what you said? Just wanted to make sure that the > >poster had a good understanding of the EDP's capabilities. > thanks; you've reminded me to re-investigate other modes of EDP-functionality. quickly fading loops (low feedback rates) are something I play with alot on my EDP. I'm able to evolve the loop into new places faster. When/if I get to place I want to hold on to for a bit, I just crank the feedback to 100% at that point. I'm sure I'm not telling you anything you don't know!! :) >From your other msg: >It's a bit different than working an EDP. truth! they are indeed *great*, together. Any hints about how you have the EDP and Repeater setup together? Are you using the EDP to create multi-layered textures that you then feed into each of the 4 "tracks" on the Repeater? I'd love to hear more about how you're using them together. Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 11:39:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18462; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 11:38:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 11:38:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000301c12e42$8801c0a0$6501a8c0@stevespc> References: <000301c12e42$8801c0a0$6501a8c0@stevespc> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 11:37:44 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: RE: repeater question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com what I'd really love is a feedback parameter that goes a little OVER 100%. the reason for this is to "bring loops back from the dead," so to speak. I often find that loops get very cool artefacts when I let them fade out and I'd love to bring those artefacts to the fore... /t .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. 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------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C12E27.3921C040-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 12:11:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21108; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 12:10:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 12:10:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <10c.48214c7.28ba78ab@aol.com> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 12:07:07 EDT Subject: loop artifacts To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com tom@swirly.com writes: >what I'd really love is a feedback parameter that goes a >little OVER 100%. the reason for this is to "bring loops >back from the dead," so to speak. I often find that loops >get very cool artefacts when I let them fade out and I'd >love to bring those artefacts to the fore... yeah, yeah! great technique; i use it on the pcm42, a lot..... let the program material die, & the little scrunchies start showing up along w/hiss..... sometimes, i just 'under-record' (level-wise), to speed the process along..... dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 12:26:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21816; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 12:24:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 12:24:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <64.12628049.28ba7c8e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 12:23:42 EDT Subject: Re: repeater question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com doug, >First, let me say that I hope you understand I was only trying to clarify. >I hold you in such high regard, that it makes my stomach sour to think >that you *might* have perceived me as being "difficult"!!! :) if that's directed towards me, well..... thanks, but don't concern yourself about that. >quickly fading loops (low feedback rates) are something I play with alot >on >my EDP. I'm able to evolve the loop into new places faster. When/if I >get >to place I want to hold on to for a bit, I just crank the feedback to 100% >at that point. I'm sure I'm not telling you anything you don't know!! >:) that's the kinda thing i mostly do on a pcm42, but not on the EDP..... so far..... >From your other msg: >Any hints about how you have the EDP and Repeater setup together? Are >you >using the EDP to create multi-layered textures that you then feed into >each >of the 4 "tracks" on the Repeater? I'd love to hear more about how you're >using them together. i'll definitely post more on this, later..... dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 12:35:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22342; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 12:34:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 12:34:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 12:34:28 -0400 Subject: EDP Input Level/distortion problems. Old story... From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_qb39C.A.8cF.XUSi7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Remember that old thread about distortion issues with the edp? Well, I'm embarrassed to admit I've always had that problem, and have never addressed it. I have what I think is a pretty old one. And ever since I received it, used, I've never been able to play the damn thing without clipping. No amount of adjustment on input gain seems to work, no matter what the path is, (currently I'm sending from a aux send of a mackie and returning to a regular channel). If it's too low, there's not enough output. So I'm fed up, and it's time to change those resistors, or get some mods or whatever I'm missing. For the record, my edp has those rather large vintage like dials on it, distinct from the the streamlined ones I on most. I only have an old email address from this list for shane radke, so I could use an updated contact, or any other advice you all might have. Thanks in advance... And on another note, Knitting Factory gig with Creeley and d/t was great the other nite, wonderful to hear and see dave and his repeater in action... Best, Todd Reynolds From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 13:38:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26168; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 13:36:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 13:36:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B893297.64532F5D@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 10:32:07 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: unknown "looping" device References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010825161452.00ab08d0@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I'm looking for a device that would let me do turntablesque scratching. I would kind of like to keep it cheap, as I'm not sure how much I'll actually end up using it. My wish it to take samples of my own beats (or whatever) and use them for scratch fodder. I've got a Korg Kaoss Pad, but that's just not doing it for me. I played with a Yamaha DJXIIB and I thought it was pretty much what I wanted (though I could care less about it's preset beats) though upon reading the manual supplied online, it wasn't clear if you could load your own samples into the device, as you can load your own sequences. You can load scratch samples into it from a supplied CDROM, but the manual never said what format it was using. I would hope it was a .wav or .aif file, but you never know. It sure would suck if it was some proprietary format, unless they supplied you with a utility that could do the conversion for you. Anyway, have any of you had experience with this box, or know of another box in the $200 range that would do what I'm looking for? Thanks, Marklar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 13:39:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26053; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 13:34:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 13:34:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <132.a1fdec.28ba8b63@aol.com> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 13:26:59 EDT Subject: purpose of "Feedback" (was RE: repeater question) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: <167cGC.A.IVG.jJTi7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com First: many thanks for the responses/ clarifications regarding "Repeater's" feedback capabilities. Although it looks like I'll still need to keep my multi looper set up (presently 2 DL4s, RDS8000, Vortex) the "Repeater" will fit in nicely and provide more options. Waiting for the day when all this stuff can go on a notebook computer.... Second: In a message dated 8/26/01 2:25:38 PM, sginn@airmail.net writes: << What is actual definition and purpose of "Feedback" and why would you want to control it? >> "Feedback" is basically the fade level of previous layers in a digital delay/ looper. Control of this level lets you either freeze a loop (100% feedback) at its present state, let old layers fade as new layers are added (<100% feedback), or let the loop on one looper fade as you're adding stuff to a second looper. Runing multi loopers and hop-scotching betwixt and between is the best way (at least my favorite way) to continually evolve textures/ themes etc. One example that works effectively in a performance situation is to develope a real "pretty" ambient type texture on one machine, maybe do a little theme playing/ improv. over top, then start gradually building darker, more "violent"/ "frenzied", textures on another looper to the point that your original "mellow" texture (on machine 1) is now obscured. After building things to a musical climax you then set machine 2 to gradually fade out and slowly, out of the aether, your original mellow loop appears. Playing this "tension/release" game is what makes linear music interesting, especially in extended improvs. - paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 14:27:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29599; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 14:25:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 14:25:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 14:25:11 -0500 Subject: software..somewhat OT From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com is anyone here using logic on a mac? i 'd love to hear privately from anyone who uses this system on a professional or semi-pro basis. i have been using protools for quite a while, but have been seeing the logic system around more and more and i'm curious. sorry for the OT question... peace ric -- monk@fuse.net www.monkmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 15:09:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA32698; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 15:06:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 15:06:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 15:06:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200108261906.PAA02313@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: software..somewhat OT X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 66.9.67.98 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <5dpbzC.A.q-H.miUi7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > is anyone here using logic on a mac? i 'd love to hear privately from > anyone who uses this system on a professional or semi-pro basis. i have been > using protools for quite a while, but have been seeing the logic system > around more and more and i'm curious. I hear it has one level of undo and NO redo, and that there's an issue in the architecture such that this will never be rectified. ! This would scotch my purchase of it. I still find this hard to believe but I've heard it on two lists now. /t -- I am the wombat. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 15:26:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01180; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 15:24:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 15:24:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004001c12e64$b149dde0$f288efd4@f6n3c8> From: "ludwig lapauw" To: Subject: echoplex in europe Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 21:24:12 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01C12E75.7359C980" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - nitro.vosn.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sixbros.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C12E75.7359C980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi guys, i'm new to your looper-community. i'm living in Belgium (Europe) i'm sorry to bother you again with the same old question: where (in the hell) can i find this "beast" in Europe ? i'd like to get in touch with european-loopers using the echoplex please let hear from you thanks. =20 ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C12E75.7359C980 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hi guys,
 
i'm new to your looper-community.
i'm living in Belgium (Europe)
i'm sorry to bother you again with the same old=20 question:
 
 
where (in the hell) can i find this "beast" in = Europe=20 ?
 
 
i'd like to get in touch with european-loopers using = the=20 echoplex
 
please let hear from you
 
thanks.
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C12E75.7359C980-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 16:07:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04570; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 16:05:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 16:05:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010826125016.044517c8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 13:03:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: echoplex in europe In-Reply-To: <004001c12e64$b149dde0$f288efd4@f6n3c8> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:24 PM 8/26/2001, ludwig lapauw wrote: >hi guys, > >i'm new to your looper-community. >i'm living in Belgium (Europe) >i'm sorry to bother you again with the same old question: > > >where (in the hell) can i find this "beast" in Europe ? you can try contacting Trace-Elliot in the UK where they make the EDP. They can probably hook you up. info@trace-elliot.com for the basic address, or try Andy Ewen who is on this list. There is also a dealer in Switzerland: ZENKER LTD, Feierabendstrasse 22, CH-4003 Basel, Switzerland. Try their website at http://www.zenker.ch I'm also amazed to see the echoplex is now at Musician's Friend: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/ex/shop/home/010821103858063192037246367229?pid=188100 For those who remember a couple of years ago when you had to trade one of your body parts to get one and it seemed as though the EDP might disappear for good, this has to be a nice change. It's nice to see looping getting some support and backing in the industry. brings a tear to the eye.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 16:15:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04894; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 16:13:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 16:13:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: don.goodeve@home.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 13:12:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Repeater Question [Feedback] Reply-to: don.goodeve@home.com Message-ID: <3B88F5A2.26839.E3C4C2@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <200108261458.KAA15207@hemlock.violacea.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Folks Just to clarify: Feedback is akin to how you would describe 'regeneration' on a delay unit. It is the proportion of the current track fed in to produce the next generation of that track. The feedback level is only aplied during 'recording'. A track is not adjusted in any way whilst, playing, only whilst recording. Hope that helps - and thanks dt for the hint. Interesting... Don ---------------------------------------------------- |Don Goodeve | |Brentwood Bay, BC, Canada | | don.goodeve@home.com | ---------------------------------------------------- 'As if you could kill time without injuring eternity' (still my favourite H.D.Thoreau quote - after all these years...) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 16:26:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05511; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 16:24:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 16:24:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010826130442.0452faa0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 13:22:46 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP Input Level/distortion problems. Old story... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <1oxxBD.A.hTB.qrVi7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:34 AM 8/26/2001, todd reynolds wrote: >Remember that old thread about distortion issues with the edp? Well, I'm >embarrassed to admit I've always had that problem, and have never addressed >it. I have what I think is a pretty old one. And ever since I received >it, used, I've never been able to play the damn thing without clipping. No >amount of adjustment on input gain seems to work, no matter what the path >is, (currently I'm sending from a aux send of a mackie and returning to a >regular channel). If it's too low, there's not enough output. So I'm fed >up, and it's time to change those resistors, or get some mods or whatever >I'm missing. the mod to fix that has been recommended for about five years now Todd, that's a lot of procrastinating! :-) It is easy to do if you know how to solder (or know somebody who knows how). It just requires changing two resistor values. It's explained in the Echoplex FAQ at Looper's Delight: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ6.html#Anchor-47383 so people aren't not confused, this problem was fixed in production echoplexes as of late 1997. > I only have >an old email address from this list for shane radke, so I could use an >updated contact, or any other advice you all might have. Thanks in >advance... That info is on the Echoplex page of looper's delight, there is a little section there for phone and email contacts at Gibson. http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html Shane is sradtke@gibson.com. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 16:52:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07901; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 16:48:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 16:48:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <29.19d9954f.28baba50@aol.com> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 16:47:12 EDT Subject: Re: Expression Pedal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I have the following pedals and was wondering if anyone could tell me if > they are good or not to use as expression pedals (or better left as > volume pedals): > > Boss FV-50H > Boss FV-50L the 50L is usually the one to use for expression, but depends what you are controlling, there's no standard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 16:58:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10505; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 16:57:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 16:57:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 14:01:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: Repeater Question [Feedback] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just to make sure I understand this correctly, is "overdubbing" considered the same as "recording" with the Repeater? I can see having the feedback set differently for some tracks, so some tracks replace previous layers quicker than others when in overdub mode, but then "hold" their contents when out of overdub mode. Sounds like fun! Somewhat patiently awaiting the arrival of my Repeaters from Alto- Mark >Dear Folks > >Just to clarify: > >Feedback is akin to how you would describe 'regeneration' on a >delay unit. It is the proportion of the current track fed in to produce >the next generation of that track. > >The feedback level is only aplied during 'recording'. > >A track is not adjusted in any way whilst, playing, only whilst >recording. > >Hope that helps - and thanks dt for the hint. Interesting... > > Don > > ---------------------------------------------------- >|Don Goodeve | >|Brentwood Bay, BC, Canada | >| don.goodeve@home.com | > ---------------------------------------------------- >'As if you could kill time without injuring eternity' > (still my favourite H.D.Thoreau quote - after all > these years...) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 17:21:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12973; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 17:17:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 17:17:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010826132519.0450a860@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 14:15:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: repeater question In-Reply-To: References: <000301c12e42$8801c0a0$6501a8c0@stevespc> <000301c12e42$8801c0a0$6501a8c0@stevespc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <6BBhs.A.TKD.HdWi7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:37 AM 8/26/2001, Tom Ritchford wrote: >what I'd really love is a feedback parameter that goes a >little OVER 100%. the reason for this is to "bring loops >back from the dead," so to speak. I often find that loops >get very cool artefacts when I let them fade out and I'd >love to bring those artefacts to the fore... On the EDP you can accomplish something like that using the multiple Undo feature. You can undo feedback passes, bringing back something that has faded away. This isn't quite what you are looking for, because of course it also undoes any artefacts that have developed. It is a great feature for evolving and redirecting loops though. You can reduce the feedback level and be adding new bits to the loop as the old bits fade away, so your loop is evolving in a particular direction. Then use Undo multiple times to go back in time as many layers as you want, so the old parts that had faded gradually come back again and the new things you had added disappear. Since the feedback change has been applied to each layer, Undoing it takes that pass of feedback away! Then do the process over again, taking the loop in a different direction. You can imagine it as dipping in and out of some new textures, or as a way to go on little excursions with your loop and then smoothly return to your original theme, and be able to do it over and over again, producing new variations and returning to your basic theme. The echoplex does it's feedback digitally anyway, so there are a lot less artefacts developed as the loop fades away than in older delays. (I guess that is what you are referring to.) In the older delays the feedback path would be done in analog, even when the delay line was digital. Every pass went through the AD/DA convertors, and through some analog gain circuits for the feedback. So you would pick up a lot of noise and junk with each successive pass. That's probably interesting if sound textures are what you do, but really annoying if rely on loops to be a more perfect recreation of what you put into them. The >100% feedback is an interesting idea. the practical problem with that in a looper is that you frequently want to set your loop to exactly 100% feedback, and quickly slide in and out of that point. That is a bit different from how people usually work with delays, where most of the time feedback is reduced and you hardly ever set it to 100%. So in a looping context, knowing exactly which point of the control equals 100% is critical. It is very handy to know you can just spin the knob all the way clockwise without even looking at it, and you are there. If you could only get 100% by going almost but not quite all the way clockwise, or you had to line up with some mark on the front panel, or land correctly in a detent, you would miss it frequently when you are trying to work fast. A lot of people would get frustrated with that! On the echoplex we even designed it so that 0% and 100% occupied a greater portion of the range, so even if you slightly missed with the knob you could still get what you want. (this also compensates for tolerances in the hardware, another major problem if the user has to line the knob up to a certain point....) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 18:01:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15119; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 18:00:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 18:00:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.97.171] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, djgorila@hotmail.com, euphoria@chilesat.net Cc: stickwIRE-L@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM, Emily_Burnham@umit.maine.edu, suciorojo67@yahoo.com, leviathant@mp3.com, narval@hotmail.com, sdw@satlink.com Subject: Re: remix Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 16:59:08 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Aug 2001 21:59:10.0794 (UTC) FILETIME=[561132A0:01C12E7A] Resent-Message-ID: <4mPt.A.urD.OFXi7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can't access the file buddy, what gives ? ----Original Message Follows---- Subject: remix Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 12:04:13 -0600 I need for anyone interested to make a remix (remezcla) of the track located at http://www.radiowebring.tvheaven.com/sound/dj.mp3 minimum duration of of 0:00:08 to 0:00:10 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 18:39:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17073; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 18:37:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 18:37:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003d01c12e77$fa3be620$0e0aa8c0@den> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <132.a1fdec.28ba8b63@aol.com> Subject: Re: purpose of "Feedback" (was RE: repeater question) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 17:42:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <5irBLC.A.lKE.qoXi7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > feedback capabilities. Although it looks like I'll still need to keep my > multi looper set up (presently 2 DL4s, RDS8000, Vortex) the "Repeater" will > > "Feedback" is basically the fade level of previous layers in a digital delay/ > looper. Control of this level lets you either freeze a loop (100% feedback) Which brings me to a question that I've had about the Line 6 DL4 that I haven't seen a definitive answer on yet... Can you adjust the feedback/regeneration on that unit? If so, can you truly set it to 100%, ie, no fading of the loop? I've heard varying opinions, but none from someone with specific looping experience with them. Appreciate any feedback (pun intended!) Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 19:09:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19855; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 19:07:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 19:07:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 19:06:46 EDT Subject: Re: purpose of "Feedback" (was RE: repeater question) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 8/26/01 10:37:46 PM, bickleypunk@pdq.net writes: << Line 6 DL4 that I haven't seen a definitive answer on yet... Can you adjust the feedback/regeneration on that unit? If so, can you truly set it to 100%, ie, no fading of the loop? >> No. In loop mode, when overdubbing, previous layers of the loop are fading. The rate of decay is fixed, but depending on the length of the loop the decay can range from quick (short loop) to really long (28 sec. loop). The only control you have of the loop level, once "closed", is via expression pedal (or mix knob). If you want a loop to just decay on its own, and you want to keep playing without adding to it, you have to by- pass the looper. I use a Boss LS2 to switch between DL4 #1, DL4#2, and RDS8000/Vortex lines. These three lines then go into individual channels of a Rolls MiniMix (3 channel stereo mixer) and then to an amp/PA etc. (note: the DL4s are run mono, the PDS8000 goes into the Vortex mono and comes out stereo). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 19:10:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19926; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 19:08:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 19:08:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.89.133.13] From: "Scott Anderson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP and Repeater Together At Last Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 23:08:04 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Aug 2001 23:08:04.0649 (UTC) FILETIME=[F6096990:01C12E83] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Doug:"Any hints about how you have the EDP and Repeater setup together?...I'd love to hear more about how you're using them together" dt: "i'll definitely post more on this, later..." I would like to add to this exchange by saying that I, too, am very interested to hear dt's recommendation for the Repeater with the EDP. Is there an EDP seller who is recommended, lowest price-wise? Thank you very much. Scott _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 19:12:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20071; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 19:10:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 19:10:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <79.1a147b9d.28badbae@aol.com> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 19:09:34 EDT Subject: Re: Repeater Question [Feedback] To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 8/26/01 8:57:05 PM, landman@wco.com writes: << I can see having the feedback set differently for some tracks, so some tracks replace previous layers quicker than others when in overdub mode, but then "hold" their contents when out of overdub mode. >> Exactly what I was hoping for, but still looks like a great new addition to the Loop Tool Pool. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 19:18:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21073; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 19:17:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 19:17:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <110.475f973.28badd40@aol.com> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 19:16:16 EDT Subject: Re: RE: repeater question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 8/26/01 9:17:25 PM, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes: << On the EDP you can accomplish something like that using the multiple Undo feature. You can undo feedback passes, bringing back something that has faded away. This isn't quite what you are looking for, because of course it also undoes any artefacts that have developed. It is a great feature for evolving and redirecting loops though. You can reduce the feedback level and be adding new bits to the loop as the old bits fade away, so your loop is evolving in a particular direction. Then use Undo multiple times to go back in time as many layers as you want, so the old parts that had faded gradually come back again and the new things you had added disappear. Since the feedback change has been applied to each layer, Undoing it takes that pass of feedback away! Then do the process over again, taking the loop in a different direction. You can imagine it as dipping in and out of some new textures, or as a way to go on little excursions with your loop and then smoothly return to your original theme, and be able to do it over and over again, producing new variations and returning to your basic theme. >> Whoa!!! Now we're talkin! Looks like an EDP/ Repeater combo set-up may be in my future. Now what can I unload on ebay...hmmmm. Thanks for the info! - Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 19:31:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21586; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 19:28:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 19:28:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B896E24.BDE4FE6B@pathcom.com> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 17:46:13 -0400 From: hutton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: repeater question References: <006701c12e3b$eb7becc0$0e0aa8c0@den> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Pardon my ignorance ...... What is an EDP and who makes it? Doug Cox wrote: > First, let me say that I hope you understand I was only trying to clarify. > I hold you in such high regard, that it makes my stomach sour to think that > you *might* have perceived me as being "difficult"!!! :) > > > > > >Maybe I misunderstood what you said? Just wanted to make sure that the > > >poster had a good understanding of the EDP's capabilities. > > thanks; you've reminded me to re-investigate other modes of > EDP-functionality. > > quickly fading loops (low feedback rates) are something I play with alot on > my EDP. I'm able to evolve the loop into new places faster. When/if I get > to place I want to hold on to for a bit, I just crank the feedback to 100% > at that point. I'm sure I'm not telling you anything you don't know!! :) > > >From your other msg: > > >It's a bit different than working an EDP. > truth! > they are indeed *great*, together. > > Any hints about how you have the EDP and Repeater setup together? Are you > using the EDP to create multi-layered textures that you then feed into each > of the 4 "tracks" on the Repeater? I'd love to hear more about how you're > using them together. > > Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 19:46:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22257; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 19:44:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 19:44:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010826164123.04464e48@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 16:42:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: repeater question In-Reply-To: <3B896E24.BDE4FE6B@pathcom.com> References: <006701c12e3b$eb7becc0$0e0aa8c0@den> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <5CDqHD.A.VbF.0mYi7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:46 PM 8/26/2001, hutton wrote: >Pardon my ignorance ...... What is an EDP and who makes it? Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 20:10:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24251; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 20:08:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 20:08:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010826155839.04405460@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 17:06:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: feedback (was RE: repeater question) In-Reply-To: <001501c12e3a$c1002e80$6501a8c0@stevespc> References: <000701c12e2d$7e22cb20$0e0aa8c0@den> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:24 AM 8/26/2001, M. Steven Ginn wrote: >What is actual definition and purpose of "Feedback" and why would you >want to control it? I think others answered for you what feedback is. If you want to learn more, there are a lot of articles about this topic on the Looper's Delight site. For example, the EDP FAQ has a whole section devoted to feedback questions, including the essential "Understanding Feedback and What It's Good For": http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ8.html there are also explanations of the feedback implementation on the echoplex, of course. Matthias also wrote a bit about Feedback in the "tips from LD" page in the tips and tricks section: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tips/Tips_fromLD.html I'm not going to rewrite here what I wrote for the FAQ linked above, but in my opinion feedback control is one of the most essential techniques in performance oriented looping. It's one of the things that makes a serious looper into a real musical instrument, because it gives you such an organic and musical control over the development and evolution of your loops. Feedback is one of the key things separating loopers from being a variation of a recording studio, or from the very static sort of loops that come from simply triggering a sampler. In those devices the loops just operate in parallel to you, but you are not musically involved in their content in real-time. Feedback (and it's complement, overdub) allows you to be musically involved in your loops, creating, evolving, manipulating, deconstructing. Learning to use Feedback is one of the key things that takes you past the beginner stage of looping, the stage where all you do is record some basic loop and let it repeat forever as a backing track while you play over it. Overdub is the next step, where you can build and add to your loops. But you quickly run into the problem there where you loops only grow. You get what I think of as the "fish trap" effect of looping, where stuff only goes into the loops but never comes out again. Eventually you just have a cluttered mess, and your only option is to kill it and start something new. Feedback is what you need to reduce the loop and allows you to make smooth transitions to something new. To me, the number one most serious flaw in a number of recent loopers has been the lack of a feedback control on the loops. The Boss RC-20 and the Line6 DL4 are guilty of this. They have overdub, but no feedback control!! So all you can do is add to your loop and grow it bigger, but you can never reduce it. You can't evolve to somewhere new. It's painfully obvious (and to me, irritating) when I see people performing with these devices. They either stick with something simple in the loop that stays on way too long (because they have no way to really evolve it), or they build the loop up too much until it is really busy and crowded and then they can't go anywhere with it. The music tends to become really static and not move anywhere. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 20:43:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25674; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 20:41:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 20:41:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010826171839.0451c120@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 17:39:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Repeater Question [Feedback] In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:01 PM 8/26/2001, Mark Landman wrote: >Just to make sure I understand this correctly, is "overdubbing" considered >the same as "recording" with the Repeater? I keep getting confused by that too. to me recording and overdubbing are different things, with "recording" being the first layer you record in the loop that defines it's length, and "overdubbing" being the layers you add over the basic recorded loop. >I can see having the feedback set differently for some tracks, so some >tracks replace previous layers quicker than others when in overdub mode, >but then "hold" their contents when out of overdub mode. correct me if I'm misunderstanding this, but isn't that practically the only option with repeater? You only get control of feedback on the track where you are overdubbing, but the others are forced to be 100%? So you can't fade out the entire loop as you add something only on one or two tracks? And you can't record on all four tracks at once, correct? so you can never do a complete loop fade? To me, the most basic feedback technique is to turn the feedback down a bit for the whole loop while I begin to overdub in new elements of where I want the loop to go. That way I can develop a transition from point A to point B. Initially, while the old loop is still strong, I put in new things that fit with it but are beginning to set the shape of something new. As the old things continue to die away, I add in more and more different things that define the new sound of the loop. Once I have it I bring the feedback up to 100% again. so with the Repeater then, if I have all four tracks filled, and I want to do such a transition by beginning to add new material to one or two tracks as the whole rest of the loop fades out, I can't really do that can I? I would have to stick to just using the tracks I recorded on in the first place, and the other tracks wouldn't really be available to me if I wanted to use these feedback techniques? Am I getting that right? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 21:31:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28753; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 21:29:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 21:29:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001e01c12ea9$c51dcda0$67059818@default> From: "Daniel" To: , Cc: , , "Emily B." , =?iso-8859-1?Q?Rodrigo_S=E1ez?= , "rodrigo macan ortega" , "felipe" Subject: Fw: remix Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 21:38:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com try http://www.radiowebring.tvheaven.com/ and head for the song folder From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 21:39:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29156; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 21:37:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 21:37:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010826180450.00ab81a8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 18:35:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: EDP feedback (was Re: repeater question) In-Reply-To: <000701c12e2d$7e22cb20$0e0aa8c0@den> References: <11e.3bafe9e.28ba54e8@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:49 AM 8/26/2001, Doug Cox wrote: >I have an EDP. It may be a bit misleading to say that the feedback (or as >the first msg put it, "fade level") is only applicable when the track is >being recorded. If I start a loop and then take the EDP out of >recording/overdub mode (all lights green), the feedback control still >applies to that loop. > >Maybe I misunderstood what you said? Just wanted to make sure that the >poster had a good understanding of the EDP's capabilities. There are two ways you can have feedback control in the Echoplex. The default way is what we call "Loop" mode. In this mode, feedback is independent, so it is always available as a way to alter the loop, whether you are overdubbing or not. To me, this is one of the really important innovations that Matthias made in the basic Echoplex design, separating his original Loop/Delay (and then the Echoplex) away from the way delays worked and making feedback into a much more important control over the loops. With it always continuously available, you have a lot more flexibility over its use. For example, while a loop is steadily fading out, you can be otherwise playing material *without* overdubbing something new (and not otherwise needing complicated mixer setups to do this). Then, independent of the feedback effect on your loop, you can choose when and what you want to be adding in to the loop by turning overdub on and off. Or for that matter, you could be using other functions like replace or whatever, independent of feedback. Eliminating this somewhat arbitrary connection between overdubbing and feedback gives the Echoplex an interesting degree of flexibility that turns out to be really useful in a live looping context. The echoplex also has "Delay" mode, which makes it follow the old style of feedback operation that delays always had. In that mode, the loop input is normally open as it is in a delay, and feedback is active only while audio is being added. (in fact, the delay input is immediately open in this case after you set the length with the Record, just as it would be in a delay.) In Delay mode, the Overdub button actually becomes the "hold" function normally found in delays. When you press Hold, the input to the delay is closed so no more audio goes in, and the feedback is set to 100% so it repeats infinitely. Changing the feedback knob doesn't have any effect while Hold is on. As soon as hold is turned off, feedback is active again. That option was kept because so many people into looping were coming from the long delay approach, and wanted to continue working in the same way. So fine, we give them that. Then the people ready to move on to the next step, or those new to the whole concept, can go on to the new way of thinking in Loop mode. In either case, you also have continuous, live control over the feedback, just as it always was with delays. So at any time you can change the feedback knob at the rate you want and hear that sweep in the next repetition of the loop. If you want, you can pick some section of your loop to fade out, and another section to preserve. Each time you get to that section you turn the feedback down some and as you get past it you bring it back up again. You could use this to steadily evolve only one part as the rest remains static, for example. This is different from some other devices that just have a small number of discrete feedback levels that effect the entire loop. (like the jamman). You can't really change those in a live way, you just set it and it takes effect at the next loop repetition and the whole loop is changed. So you can't really get smooth feedback level changes, it always goes into it suddenly. You can't smoothly change from one feedback level to another, you just jump to the next discrete level. And you can't pick a section of your loop to fade out while the rest stays unchanged. If you want that sudden change effect, you can still do it in the Echoplex, you just have to do it with MIDI. Feedback level can be set at any time with continuous controllers. So you can set it to a discrete level or sweep it around with a midi controller or whatever. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 23:31:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03366; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 23:28:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 23:28:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010826003841.04434028@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 20:24:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: EDP pseudo-multi-tracks (was Re: Conceptual "Repeater" question) In-Reply-To: <78.19a5a1e6.28b71d27@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com this was from a few days ago: At 07:59 PM 8/23/2001, AALev123@aol.com wrote: >I do want to be able to switch between parts and possibly pull out the bass , >which I assume would be the same as pulling track 2 out and then dialing it >back in ,also being able to save it all after power down is nice. Do any of >the other units you mentioned do this or maybe acomplish this in a different >way? thanks For that task specifically, the other looper that can do it is the Gibson Echoplex (or EDP). As you suspect, it accomplishes this same task in a completely different way.... That's an interesting distinction, because I think the differences in loopers often comes down to where their user interfaces come from. Oftentimes they can accomplish the same things, but you have to think about it in a different way to do it. To me the interfaces for loopers come from 4 different places: delay based interfaces, sampler based interfaces, recording studio based interfaces, or attempts to invent a distinct "looper" interface. For example, the Repeater seems to be coming from a recording studio approach. It has faders and tracks and an interface the reminds of tape transports. Something like the Roland SP-808 or the Boss SP-303 is coming from a sampler approach. Sample banks, trigger pads, etc. The old digitech delays, or the TC D-Two, or the Korg DL8000 were delay based approaches. The Gibson Echoplex, Lexicon jamman, and Boomerang are more in the range of inventing their own interfaces, often by combining elements of all of these. So in the case of multiple tracks, the echoplex employs a sort of pseudo-multi-track approach that doesn't give the same absolute control of true multiple tracks, but can often accomplish the same things in a very fast manner. For what most people are going to want to do on-the-fly in a live context, it is probably good enough. Overdub, Multiply, and LoopCopy are the functions that get you this. Overdub is the basic level, that lets you have several parts layered on top of each other in a single loop. Multiply lets you have a basic loop cycle, repeated as many times as you want, with a longer part over the top. To the listener it sounds like two loops of different lengths. LoopCopy lets you copy a basic loop into another loop and overdub or multiply it or whatever to get variations on the original. Switching between them sounds like you are muting and unmuting other tracks. So getting back to your goal, the echoplex accomplishes this same multiple part thing, but you don't think about it in the "track" based recording studio way. The Echoplex interface is really designed around the idea of a musician playing live, and otherwise engrossed in playing some instrument. So the interface tries to make the looping process as simple as possible to accomplish, without requiring any extra button pressing or otherwise taking you away from playing. In the process it doesn't necessarily give absolute control over every detail as a recording studio would. Total control is great in the studio, but live you won't want to deal with so many options to accomplish something. You want it fast and efficient, and otherwise out of your way so you can play. So the echoplex interface is optimized around the idea of being intuitive, fast, and efficient. So in the echoplex, your desire to be able to take a part in and out of the loop is accomplished by having a base loop in one loop location with variations of that loop copied into other loop locations. So loop 1 has your basic rhythm guitar loop, and loop 2 has your rhythm guitar loop copied into it with the bass loop overdubbed on top. You take the bass part in and out of the loop by switching between loop 1 and loop 2. From the listener's perspective, it is exactly the same as having two tracks and muting and unmuting the one with the bass. Creating these type of variations live in the echoplex is simple and can be done with one or two button presses, and you never have to take your hands off your instrument or even look at the echoplex. All of the copying and overdubbing for the variation occurs on the fly as you play. When you have the copy parameter on, you just press NextLoop to start the copy, and end it wherever you want by pressing the Multiply button. While it is doing the copy, you can add new material over the top, as if it were another track. It is all totally seamless, so you never stop anything and the listeners never have to watch you dinking around with any buttons. From their point of view everything is seamless and the music never stops. (This might end up sounding complicated in text, but it is actually very fast to use live, and the echoplex OS makes it as easy as possible by automating a lot of it.) The echoplex introduces additional flexibility for your variations and copies, because it automatically copies them in a Multiply mode. (that's why you end it with the Multiply button.) So if your basic starting loop in loop 1 is a single bar, and you want loop 2 to be 4 repetitions of that basic loop with a 4 bar bass line running over the top, you do that with the same two button presses as you would to have used to record them as equal in length. (Next -> Multiply) The copies of your basic first loop are made automatically as you overdub your new bass line loop, same as if you were Multiplying into the new loop. And if while you are playing your bass line you get another idea and want to play longer to get an 8 bar line, you just go ahead. Or 9 bars or whatever. You can stop the whole copy/multiply process whenever you want and nothing has to be preset ahead of time. The result is a simple loop in loop 1, and a variation on that in loop 2. Of course, you could create more variations in other loops, so you have several different places to switch among. You do this by either using the automatic loop copy function or the more manual style of loop copy. Either way is fast, but the auto copy way means you hardly have to concentrate on what the echoplex is doing at all. The more manual copy gives you much more flexibility and control. Do it like this: Set the loop copy parameter to be on (LoopCopy = SND for sound), and set up multiple loops with the "MoreLoops" parameter to however many loops you think you need. To record your basic loop, just tap record, play, and tap record again to finish. Now your basic loop is playing. Anytime you press NextLoop to switch to an empty loop the echoplex will automatically begin copying your current loop into the new loop, while adding new material on top at the same time. It works exactly like the multiply function, so you can immediately be adding new material on top as the echoplex creates multiples the copies underneath. So when you are ready to record your bass line, press NextLoop and begin playing it. Your first loop will continue smoothly looping under you with no interruption as it is copying into loop 2, and your bass line is being recorded on top of it. When you finish playing your bass line, press Multiply to end. It's fine to press a little early, because the echoplex again keeps your life simple by rounding out to the end of your basic loop. So now, with just two button presses you've got a basic loop in Loop 1, and the basic loop + bass line in loop 2. Switch back and forth between them to give the effect of having multiple tracks. The more manual type of loop copy gives you more flexibility. In this case, you leave the LoopCopy parameter off, because we don't want to go into copying automatically. Turn the SwitchQuant parameter on, and set the MoreLoops to however many loops you want. SwitchQuant is important because this forces the echoplex to wait until the end of your current loop before switching into a new loop. If you press NextLoop early, you have a waiting period there where you can tell it what functions to go into immediately when it gets to the new loop. This is helpful, because you can use this time to select which loop to switch to, or you can tell it to begin recording in the new loop immediately, or begin copying there, or overdub, etc. So using this method you record your basic loop in loop 1 just like before. Somewhere in the middle of the loop you press NextLoop to go into the waiting period (you can press next some more during the wait period to pick which loop to go to, so you can select any loop). Press the Multiply button to tell it you want to copy in the new loop. When it switches, start playing your new part. The echoplex will be smoothly creating multiple copies of the basic loop under you. Press Multiply again when you are done. Now you have a basic loop in loop 1, and multiples of the basic loop plus bass line in loop two. Now say you want to have a completely different chorus section in Loop 3. You can tell the echoplex to switch to Loop 3 and be immediately recording when it switches. Record your chorus section when you get there. Then you can switch back and forth between all of these parts. You can also use the time copy function to tell the echoplex that you want the length of this chorus loop to be related to the original loop, either the same length or a multiple length. Any of this just takes two buttons, and all happens seamlessly and continuously as play. hope this helps, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 23:48:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04217; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 23:47:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 23:47:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <200108261906.PAA02313@www.editev.com> Subject: Re: software..somewhat OT Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 20:45:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2001 03:46:00.0764 (UTC) FILETIME=[C9C69FC0:01C12EAA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm using it on a pc every day, and have used it on a mac. It's virtually identical - I was quite surprised. For music, Logic blows PT out of the water. The only reason it might be less useful for stuff such as dialog editing or engineering is that it was never designed to do those things. You could even use your TDM hardware with it As far as I the undo, Protools is the same if I remember correctly. It's an old school mac paradigm, that some people never fixed. It's been a year since I touched Slo-tools myself, so I may have forgotten. > > > > is anyone here using logic on a mac? i 'd love to hear privately from > > anyone who uses this system on a professional or semi-pro basis. i > have been > > using protools for quite a while, but have been seeing the logic system > > around more and more and i'm curious. > > I hear it has one level of undo and NO redo, and that > there's an issue in the architecture such that > this will never be rectified. > > ! > > This would scotch my purchase of it. I still find this > hard to believe but I've heard it on two lists now. > > /t > > -- > > I am the wombat. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 00:00:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04731; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 23:57:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 23:57:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B89C578.FF5A56DC@pathcom.com> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 23:58:48 -0400 From: hutton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: repeater question References: <006701c12e3b$eb7becc0$0e0aa8c0@den> <5.1.0.14.2.20010826164123.04464e48@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Kim ....... It is news to me! Kim Flint wrote: > At 02:46 PM 8/26/2001, hutton wrote: > >Pardon my ignorance ...... What is an EDP and who makes it? > > Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 03:15:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA22739; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 03:13:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 03:13:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008701c12ec7$8000f300$02bc28d5@a123456789> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <132.a1fdec.28ba8b63@aol.com> Subject: OT attention dennis leas Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 08:11:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Dennis, Replaced my laptop and lost your email address, (and much else). Haven't tried the update yet. Could you respond ? Cheers, Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 04:18:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA25764; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 04:16:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 04:16:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <16.116613df.28bb5b89@aol.com> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 04:15:05 EDT Subject: RE: repeater question>>EDP feedback To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >what I'd really love is a feedback parameter that goes a > >little OVER 100%. the reason for this is to "bring loops > >back from the dead," Use a mixer to return some of the EDP Output to its Input. You could keep the aux send(to the EDP) turned down and use the the EDP feedback most of the time , which would give you the option for an exact 100% feedback. If you're really into artifacts, turn the EDP Feedback to zero and use only the mixer send for regeneration. NOTE:mix control on EDP needs to be fully clockwise . andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 04:30:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA26221; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 04:28:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 04:28:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.96.16] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: daniel_c@vtr.net, leviathant@theninhotline.com, Bowie-List@yahoogroups.com Cc: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, Emily_Burnham@umit.maine.edu, emenmusic@hotmail.com, mastica_99@hotmail.com, felipe.catalan@terra.cl Subject: Re: Fw: remix Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 03:28:04 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2001 08:28:05.0292 (UTC) FILETIME=[3194A6C0:01C12ED2] Resent-Message-ID: <45GswC.A.fZG.1Sgi7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There is no "song folder" only thing close is a "sound" folder. The mp3 within, seems to be a short intrumental loop, that I can not download, I can only play. Even when I use "save target as..". So I am at a lost to how I am supposed to remix this.... Lucien E. Darthard A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It. Cell Phone 1-773-578-3504 http://go.to/ldarthard/ ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Daniel" To: , CC: , , "Emily B." , Rodrigo Sáez , "rodrigo macan ortega" , "felipe" Subject: Fw: remix Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 21:38:42 -0600 try http://www.radiowebring.tvheaven.com/ and head for the song folder _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 05:31:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA29098; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 05:28:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 05:28:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ef01c12eda$cecd6500$a442f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200108270331.XAA03568@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: ARTIFACTS.................the thread......... Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 02:29:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com d/t mentioned Loop Artifacts. I am in love with artifacts..........there, I said it My wife is currently doing very fine editing on her first solo singersongwriter record. We are now the proud parents of two PC recording/editing systems and so as I work in the kitchen on my wierd stuff, (the new 1.4 mghz machine has completely usurped the last vestiges of our dining table, relegating us to holding our dinner plates in our laps LOL) she is micro editing her guitar, bass, drum, percussion and vocal tracks. Consequently, ever once in a while I'll hear her looping a little fragment trying to figure out some e.q. strategy or click removal strategy and I'll go flying into the room and yell "don't erase that, it sounds incredible as a loop". I'm using at least two of those serendipities on my next abstract looping record. I once did a recording in the other room (because with percussion the harddrives are just too damn noisy) and on the way back into the room I stumble over one of my bags (too numerous to mention) of metal percussion before I could turn the record button off. What a killer artifact!!! It got me on this kick of just taking random bags of percussion and recording dumping them over just to 'create' random artifacts. I've gotten several really interesting loops that were actually quite rhythmically useful from such experiments. I'd love to get an ARTIFACTS thread going. What are some really killer accidents that we have stumbled on in our looping trials and tribulations..........did any accidents lead people to new techniques. I'm so fascinated with the RANDOM in music these days..........discovering it, trying to create it without controlling it and then applying my rigid, form compulsive aesthetic to the results Well???????? Who will be brave and start it off? later, Rick Walker P.S. appropos of absolutely nothing, i'm incredibly proud and excited to announce that I have been invited by Sufi master musician, Daud Al' Jerrahi to go and have an evening of improvisation with the wonderful Nubian musican, Hamza Al' Din who is one of my greatest heroes, musically.......i'm dancing around the room and even postponing my long overdue vacation by one day in order to do it.........wish me luck....... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 07:38:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA06248; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 07:35:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 07:35:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: mark.red@involvelearning.com Subject: OT. Help with simple midi prob??? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.4 June 8, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 13:30:09 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on mail/External/InvolveLearning(Release 5.0.3 (Intl)|21 March 2000) at 08/27/2001 01:55:39 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry for being Off topic, I should really join some midi music list for this Q, but I know many of you guys are well into this stuff so...HELP??? NO computer in my setup, just hardware. I just got a Korg MS2000R for sequencing simple background pads and basslines AND (a bit on topic) processing (Via its audio in) my guitar loops etc. And I'm very happy with it. BUT... When I plug the midi out from my drum machine ( a cheap Boss DrGroove202 thang) into midi IN on the MS2000 and send it a simple sequence (the boss has a little external sequencer built in) the synth is (a tiny bit) late, late enough to be awful tho! I am sure I have everything set up right. Same midi channel, Synch INTERNAL on drummachine Synch EXTERNAL on synth. And it DOES play and at the correct tempo. BUT LATE!!!! This is so annoying cos its about the simplest midi setup possible. Its not that I have too much midi stuff going on... (Well there is one more thing in the chain, a Roland GR30, but thats AFTER the synth (via synth THRU port) and thats in time) Anyone????? Help???? Please???? Mark Red From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 07:40:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA06734; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 07:38:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 07:38:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <9d.1a66cf8b.28bb8b0e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 07:37:50 EDT Subject: Re: repeater question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com kim also said: >The echoplex does it's feedback digitally anyway, so there are a lot less >artefacts developed as the loop fades away than in older delays. (I guess >that is what you are referring to.) In the older delays the feedback path >would be done in analog, even when the delay line was digital. Every pass >went through the AD/DA convertors, and through some analog gain circuits >for the feedback. So you would pick up a lot of noise and junk with each >successive pass. That's probably interesting if sound textures are what >you do, but really annoying if rely on loops to be a more perfect recreation >of what you put into them. and if one wants to explore (at least) *both* of those musical possibilities, well then..... thisall reminds me of why it's so nice to have the opportunity to utilise more than one type/brand of looper ---and why it's so great that there're now more manufactured loop-devices available to choose from!--- as none of them is built to be as multi-directional as one might like, which is probably as it should be (like any other instrument), each of them offering their own perspective (& that of their designers)..... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 07:45:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA06981; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 07:43:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 07:43:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 07:43:00 -0500 Subject: Re: OT. Help with simple midi prob??? From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com are you using midi clock or miditime code? and are both looking for/ sending the same thing? also check to make sure that you haven't accidentally recorded a beat or partial beat of silence at the beginning of one or your sequences. -- monk@fuse.net www.monkmusic.com anon 8/27/01 6:30 AM, mark.red@involvelearning.com at mark.red@involvelearning.com wrote: > > Sorry for being Off topic, I should really join some midi music list for > this Q, but I know many of you guys are well into this stuff so...HELP??? > > NO computer in my setup, just hardware. I just got a Korg MS2000R for > sequencing simple background pads and basslines AND (a bit on topic) > processing (Via its audio in) my guitar loops etc. And I'm very happy with > it. BUT... > > When I plug the midi out from my drum machine ( a cheap Boss DrGroove202 > thang) into midi IN on the MS2000 and send it a simple sequence (the boss > has a little external sequencer built in) the synth is (a tiny bit) late, > late enough to be awful tho! I am sure I have everything set up right. Same > midi channel, Synch INTERNAL on drummachine Synch EXTERNAL on synth. And it > DOES play and at the correct tempo. BUT LATE!!!! > > This is so annoying cos its about the simplest midi setup possible. Its not > that I have too much midi stuff going on... (Well there is one more thing > in the chain, a Roland GR30, but thats AFTER the synth (via synth THRU > port) and thats in time) > > Anyone????? Help???? > Please???? > > Mark Red > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 07:54:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA07345; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 07:52:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 07:52:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: mark.red@involvelearning.com Subject: Re: OT. Help with simple midi prob??? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.4 June 8, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 13:47:18 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on mail/External/InvolveLearning(Release 5.0.3 (Intl)|21 March 2000) at 08/27/2001 02:12:39 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <1-j0JD.A.ZyB.yRji7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Definately no partial beat of silence at the beginning, did check that... BUT I'm not sure about the midi clock or miditime code thing... as far as I know (at work now so can't check that) I dont have that option on either drum machine or synth. (although I have seen it on computer software (acid>cubase etc) could it be called something else? do I get to it by some funky complicated way? or should it be a standard option in the "midi" menu?? but thanks for the quick response!! Mark mr monk t> cc: Subject: Re: OT. Help with simple midi prob??? 27/08/2001 14:43 Please respond to Loopers-Delig ht are you using midi clock or miditime code? and are both looking for/ sending the same thing? also check to make sure that you haven't accidentally recorded a beat or partial beat of silence at the beginning of one or your sequences. -- monk@fuse.net www.monkmusic.com anon 8/27/01 6:30 AM, mark.red@involvelearning.com at mark.red@involvelearning.com wrote: > > Sorry for being Off topic, I should really join some midi music list for > this Q, but I know many of you guys are well into this stuff so...HELP??? > > NO computer in my setup, just hardware. I just got a Korg MS2000R for > sequencing simple background pads and basslines AND (a bit on topic) > processing (Via its audio in) my guitar loops etc. And I'm very happy with > it. BUT... > > When I plug the midi out from my drum machine ( a cheap Boss DrGroove202 > thang) into midi IN on the MS2000 and send it a simple sequence (the boss > has a little external sequencer built in) the synth is (a tiny bit) late, > late enough to be awful tho! I am sure I have everything set up right. Same > midi channel, Synch INTERNAL on drummachine Synch EXTERNAL on synth. And it > DOES play and at the correct tempo. BUT LATE!!!! > > This is so annoying cos its about the simplest midi setup possible. Its not > that I have too much midi stuff going on... (Well there is one more thing > in the chain, a Roland GR30, but thats AFTER the synth (via synth THRU > port) and thats in time) > > Anyone????? Help???? > Please???? > > Mark Red > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 08:01:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA08825; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 07:59:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 07:59:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 08:00:17 -0500 Subject: Re: OT. Help with simple midi prob??? From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com it should be in the midi menu, but you may not have it on the simpler machines. i'm pretty sure that one of those (midi clock, i think) just basically gives a starting point for the sequence.... sorry, i wish i was there to help troubleshoot, iknow how frustrating that can be.... in the mean time, if you are recording, you could run the earlier of the two sequences thru a chort delay to get them to sound the same... it's not the best solution, but it may get you thru for now... -- monk@fuse.net www.monkmusic.com and on 8/27/01 6:47 AM, mark.red@involvelearning.com at mark.red@involvelearning.com wrote: > > Definately no partial beat of silence at the beginning, did check that... > BUT > > I'm not sure about the midi clock or miditime code thing... as far as I > know (at work now so can't check that) I dont have that option on either > drum machine or synth. (although I have seen it on computer software > (acid>cubase etc) could it be called something else? do I get to it by some > funky complicated way? or should it be a standard option in the "midi" > menu?? > > but thanks for the quick response!! > > Mark > > > > > > > > mr monk > > t> cc: > Subject: Re: OT. Help with simple midi prob??? > 27/08/2001 > 14:43 > Please > respond to > Loopers-Delig > ht > > > > > > are you using midi clock or miditime code? and are both looking for/ > sending > the same thing? > > also check to make sure that you haven't accidentally recorded a beat or > partial beat of silence at the beginning of one or your sequences. > > -- > monk@fuse.net > www.monkmusic.com > > > > > > > > > anon 8/27/01 6:30 AM, mark.red@involvelearning.com at > mark.red@involvelearning.com wrote: > >> >> Sorry for being Off topic, I should really join some midi music list for >> this Q, but I know many of you guys are well into this stuff so...HELP??? >> >> NO computer in my setup, just hardware. I just got a Korg MS2000R for >> sequencing simple background pads and basslines AND (a bit on topic) >> processing (Via its audio in) my guitar loops etc. And I'm very happy > with >> it. BUT... >> >> When I plug the midi out from my drum machine ( a cheap Boss DrGroove202 >> thang) into midi IN on the MS2000 and send it a simple sequence (the boss >> has a little external sequencer built in) the synth is (a tiny bit) late, >> late enough to be awful tho! I am sure I have everything set up right. > Same >> midi channel, Synch INTERNAL on drummachine Synch EXTERNAL on synth. And > it >> DOES play and at the correct tempo. BUT LATE!!!! >> >> This is so annoying cos its about the simplest midi setup possible. Its > not >> that I have too much midi stuff going on... (Well there is one more thing >> in the chain, a Roland GR30, but thats AFTER the synth (via synth THRU >> port) and thats in time) >> >> Anyone????? Help???? >> Please???? >> >> Mark Red >> > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 08:44:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA10922; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 08:42:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 08:42:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: feedback (was RE: repeater question) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 07:40:53 -0500 Message-ID: <001c01c12ef5$830199f0$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010826155839.04405460@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim, Thanks for your comments about using feedback. Could feedback then be thought of as a sort of reverb control (with no reflections) that helps the looper place the different overdubs at different sonic positions within the mix? (ie, more feedback brings the overdub up front and in your face, much less feedback puts the sound off in the distance?) Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 09:25:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA14311; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 09:23:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 09:23:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PaulPokr@aol.com Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 09:21:55 EDT Subject: Re: EDP Input Level/distortion problems. Old story... To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <6b.1993057a.28bba374@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stick a compressor in front of the input. That solved any distortion problems I had. I route (via a Behringer patch bay) direct outs from a Mackie mixer (i.e. guitar, Roland Handsonic, other drum sounds). Of course, as you mentioned, you may have a hardware problem. Regards, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 11:58:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24965; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 11:55:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 11:55:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8A6D07.551CBB2D@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 08:53:43 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: software..somewhat OT References: <200108261906.PAA02313@www.editev.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I'm a pretty hard core Mac user, and I have plenty of programs that allow multipal undos. I think it has more to do with RAM than how the program is written than it does with the OS. Since Photoshop 5, there's been a history function that let's you go back as far as your memory allows. (it's a ram hog, I must say) it even has a brush that lets you choose a previous memory state and "paint" with it. Anyway, I'm not sure if Metro gives you multipal undos, but I'll check when I get my new G4. > As far as I the undo, Protools is the same if I remember correctly. It's an > old school mac paradigm, that some people never fixed. It's been a year > since I touched Slo-tools myself, so I may have forgotten. > > > > > > > > is anyone here using logic on a mac? i 'd love to hear privately from > > > anyone who uses this system on a professional or semi-pro basis. i > > have been > > > using protools for quite a while, but have been seeing the logic system > > > around more and more and i'm curious. > > > > I hear it has one level of undo and NO redo, and that > > there's an issue in the architecture such that > > this will never be rectified. > > > > ! > > > > This would scotch my purchase of it. I still find this > > hard to believe but I've heard it on two lists now. > > > > /t > > > > -- > > > > I am the wombat. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 12:19:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26929; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 12:16:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 12:16:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Apparently-From: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 12:16:12 -0400 Subject: Re: software..somewhat OT From: Mike Feeney To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" , Mark Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3B8A6D07.551CBB2D@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6fwii.A.mkG.SJni7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Photoshop actually has a pref setting so that you can choose the max number of previous steps on the history pallette ... Thank God (or whatever higher power you like) for the History pallette. ;))) Mike (graphic designer by day, looper by night.) on 8/27/01 11.53 AM, Mark at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > Hey, > > I'm a pretty hard core Mac user, and I have plenty of programs that allow > multipal undos. I think it has more to do with RAM than how the program is > written than it does with the OS. Since Photoshop 5, there's been a history > function that let's you go back as far as your memory allows. (it's a ram hog, > I > must say) it even has a brush that lets you choose a previous memory state and > "paint" with it. Anyway, I'm not sure if Metro gives you multipal undos, but > I'll check when I get my new G4. > > > >> As far as I the undo, Protools is the same if I remember correctly. It's an >> old school mac paradigm, that some people never fixed. It's been a year >> since I touched Slo-tools myself, so I may have forgotten. >> >>> >>> >>>> is anyone here using logic on a mac? i 'd love to hear privately from >>>> anyone who uses this system on a professional or semi-pro basis. i >>> have been >>>> using protools for quite a while, but have been seeing the logic system >>>> around more and more and i'm curious. >>> >>> I hear it has one level of undo and NO redo, and that >>> there's an issue in the architecture such that >>> this will never be rectified. >>> >>> ! >>> >>> This would scotch my purchase of it. I still find this >>> hard to believe but I've heard it on two lists now. >>> >>> /t >>> >>> -- >>> >>> I am the wombat. >>> >>> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 12:54:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28903; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 12:52:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 12:52:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010827094838.00ab2ef0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 09:50:26 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: feedback (was RE: repeater question) In-Reply-To: <001c01c12ef5$830199f0$6501a8c0@stevespc> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010826155839.04405460@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:40 AM 8/27/2001, M. Steven Ginn wrote: >Thanks for your comments about using feedback. > >Could feedback then be thought of as a sort of reverb control (with no >reflections) that helps the looper place the different overdubs at >different sonic positions within the mix? (ie, more feedback brings the >overdub up front and in your face, much less feedback puts the sound off >in the distance?) uh no, I wouldn't think of it that way. it's like the feedback/regen control on any delay. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 13:20:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31236; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 13:18:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 13:18:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Line 6 crunchy digital yukiness To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.5 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 13:22:54 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004f01c12d33$29f21ec0$df4528d5@a123456789> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey kids can someone tell me how i might control the crunchiness overload i get sometimes when running a hot signal through my line 6-it makes me very sad and sometimes i cry a little at night when no one is about- c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 13:27:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31609; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 13:26:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 13:26:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 13:26:16 -0500 Subject: Re: software..somewhat OT From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes, protools now allows for about three or four levels of undo. you can redo sometimes...i can't quite figure out what the parameters are.... i think that if there is only one undo-able event when you hit apple/Z (for a second time) it will undo the undo... -- monk@fuse.net www.monkmusic.com on 8/27/01 11:16 AM, Mike Feeney at feeneymike@yahoo.com wrote: > > > Photoshop actually has a pref setting so that you can choose the max > number of previous steps on the history pallette ... > > Thank God (or whatever higher power you like) for the History pallette. > ;))) > > Mike > > (graphic designer by day, looper by night.) > > > > on 8/27/01 11.53 AM, Mark at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > >> Hey, >> >> I'm a pretty hard core Mac user, and I have plenty of programs that allow >> multipal undos. I think it has more to do with RAM than how the program is >> written than it does with the OS. Since Photoshop 5, there's been a history >> function that let's you go back as far as your memory allows. (it's a ram >> hog, >> I >> must say) it even has a brush that lets you choose a previous memory state >> and >> "paint" with it. Anyway, I'm not sure if Metro gives you multipal undos, but >> I'll check when I get my new G4. >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 14:06:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02965; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 14:05:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 14:05:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010827140103.007e1e30@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 14:01:03 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Line 6 crunchy digital yukiness In-Reply-To: References: <004f01c12d33$29f21ec0$df4528d5@a123456789> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Are you plugging your instrument(s) straight into it or using it in a board's aux send? I found that using sends I was overloading quite easily and had to find the right 'sweet spot' to get a good level with low noise that wouldn't get crunchy on me. A hair in either direction can make a big difference. If you're running straight in, you may want to try a compressor before the looper, or at least something to attenuate your signal a bit. -t At 01:22 PM 8/27/01 -0400, you wrote: >hey kids can someone tell me how i might control the >crunchiness overload i get sometimes when running a hot >signal through my line 6-it makes me very sad and sometimes >i cry a little at night when no one is about- >c > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 14:17:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03672; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 14:15:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 14:15:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8A8F86.68BB2437@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 11:27:04 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ARTIFACTS.................the thread......... References: <200108270331.XAA03568@hemlock.violacea.com> <00ef01c12eda$cecd6500$a442f93f@dnlsh01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" wrote: (snip) > I once did a recording in the other room (because with percussion the > harddrives are just too damn noisy) and on the way back into the room I > stumble over one of my bags (too numerous to mention) of metal percussion > before I could turn the record button off. > What a killer artifact!!! It got me on this kick of just taking random > bags of percussion > and recording dumping them over just to 'create' random artifacts. I've > gotten several really interesting loops that were actually quite > rhythmically useful from such experiments. > > I'd love to get an ARTIFACTS thread going. sounds like a ct-project in the making, rick. :-) > > What are some really killer accidents that we have stumbled on in our > looping trials and tribulations..........did any accidents lead people to > new techniques. a friend of mine, upon trying out my edp for the first time (and feeling like he was soooo rhythmically challenged- a first-time looping experience can do that) kept getting these little scratchy glitches as he played what was really a great, simple guitar riff- bugged the heck out of him, but those funny little sounds- which were quiet enough to blend into the mix at most points, and only becoming auditory once the dynamics of the other sounds allowed, were the best part. when we played it back he also realized that those *mistakes* were by far the most interesting element... i did a piece for ct-acoustic which was made primarily of staccatto loops of what were essentially "accidents"- i have a small collection of found wooden and metal objects that, especially when dropped from a suitable height, create a really wonderful and fairly random series of sounds (my studio floor is concrete). the trick is not dropping the heavier things onto toes or the footpedal while in the throes of creative ecstasy... :-) > I'm so fascinated with the RANDOM in music these days..........discovering > it, trying to create it without controlling it and then > applying my rigid, form compulsive aesthetic to the results cheek> > Well???????? Who will be brave and start it off? > > later, Rick Walker > > P.S. appropos of absolutely nothing, i'm incredibly proud and excited to > announce that I have been invited by Sufi master musician, Daud Al' Jerrahi > to go and have an evening of improvisation with the wonderful Nubian > musican, Hamza Al' Din who is one of my greatest heroes, musically.......i'm > dancing around the room and even postponing my long overdue vacation by one > day in order to do it.........wish me luck....... good luck! i'm impressed!! best, lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 14:17:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03438; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 14:12:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 14:12:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 14:11:53 -0400 Message-Id: <200108271811.OAA32361@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: Line 6 crunchy digital yukiness X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 66.9.67.98 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim Nelson wrote: > I found that using sends I was overloading quite easily and had to find the > right 'sweet spot' to get a good level with low noise that wouldn't get > crunchy on me. A hair in either direction can make a big difference. > > If you're running straight in, you may want to try a compressor before the > looper, or at least something to attenuate your signal a bit. Amen on this. There is only a small region on the DL4 between "not enough signal to process" and "distortion". This is somewhat less of a problem while looping but if you use the box as an effects unit you'll run into this all the time. Dunno why manufacturers don't make a gentle, switchable compressor/limiter as the first stage in their effects units... The Headrush, FWIW, is less succeptible to this phenomenon. /t -- I am the wombat. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 14:36:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05109; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 14:34:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 14:34:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200108271833.f7RIXdZ16258@chmls05.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: ARTIFACTS.................the thread......... Date: Mon, 27 Aug 01 14:36:11 -0400 x-sender: jdurant@pop.ne.mediaone.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: jdurant To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com While working on my latest CD (Brief Light), my percussionist was experimenting with a metal chinese food lid played with brushes. We'd propped it up on a high-backed bar stool, just the right height for him from his seated position. 3/4 of the way through the tune he was working on, the lid lost it's stability and dropped, rubbing against each of the back supports. No big thing, except that it happened in perfect time with the piece! jd ps: have a great time with Hamza Al' Din! I'll be curious to hear how it goes. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 14:36:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04878; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 14:33:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 14:33:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00ef01c12eda$cecd6500$a442f93f@dnlsh01> References: <200108270331.XAA03568@hemlock.violacea.com> <00ef01c12eda$cecd6500$a442f93f@dnlsh01> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 11:33:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: ARTIFACTS.................the thread......... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >d/t mentioned Loop Artifacts. I am in love with artifacts..........there, >I said it Cool thread. I love this kind of stuff, and have a few examples to share. I've been doing hard disk recording on a series of underpowered computers for years now, starting with Deck on a Powermac 7100, through Logic Audio on an 8500 to my current system, Logic on a G4 (OK, I guess that one's not underpowered). Of course, I've had more than my share of crashes while doing audio. I've noticed that each program has a different way of dealing with a disk crash during playback, and that these can be seen as creative opportunities. F'rinstance, Deck would tend to loop a random length sample of the current disk buffer when it crashed. Sometimes these loops'd be really cool, definitely not things that I'd think of on my own. So I'd keep a DAT around to bounce these loops to before rebooting. Logic tends to append little arbitrary globs of sound onto the end of the audio files used in the track., often after rebooting, I'd find the last few seconds of each track would have a random mix of other tracks. On my solo disk (http://www.newandimprov.com/ATD.html) I used 2 of these crash-produced loops as tracks. Thus far my new computer hasn't crashed, which I suppose is a good thing, but I do miss the random jolts of creativity. I do mastering for a local jazz label, Louie Records (http://www.peak.org/~louirec). One process I use is to set loop markers in Peak or Logic at various points in a tune to fine tune the compression and EQ settings. A lot of the time, these loops will be really interesting on their own. So much so that when the label head heard some of these, it got me a gig, I'm doing a remix disc of the entire label, given free access to anything on any of their discs to screw with as I please. Should be a LOT of fun. On a somewhat related note, over the years that I've been doing recording, one of the understandings I've had with the musicians I work with is that I get free use of whatever I record to use as samples in my own work. For me, this side steps a lot of the copyright issues, and adds a more personal side to my stuff, these samples have associations and meanings for me that are totally different from what the average listener would get from the piece. For me, this is more interesting than the plunderphonic approach, which I think is valid, but just not something I do anymore. For me, when I build a moody ambient piece from a slowed-down slide guitar solo from a locally-produced children's music CD, I KNOW no one else is using that sample. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 14:48:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06128; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 14:45:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 14:45:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 11:25:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Repeater Frenzy Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey all you loopheads, back in the saddle for a short time...did you miss me? hmmm...didn't think so. haha :) after browsing the archives, i must say that being off list for a period of time has calmed the gear-junkie nerves a bit... then that darn email came from electrix saying the againinator...oops, repeater had shipped. lions and tigers and bears, oh my. Just wanted to give props to Rick Walker for starting the great thread on reverberant spaces... makes one want to take a VERY long vacation and go check out these wonderful spaces! another spot: In Long Beach, CA, there is a company called Gondola Getaway, which has real italian gondolas they trek folks around in amongst the water channels in the Naples area. There are several bridges crossing over the channels, and my wife and i were treated several times to the gondolier slowing down to a stop just under the bridge, grabbing his acoustic guitar and playing for a short time. wonderful acoustics in a beautiful, peaceful environment. very nice... also, my wife teaches part time at the PE dept. at LA City College. She has a class very early on saturday mornings and the empty gymnasium in the women's PE building has an absolutely HUGE slapback reverb. It just drips of 'sun records era vocals'...all ya gotta do is just clap your hands and you can almost hear jerry lee or elvis doing their thang. thanks for a cool thread. best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 15:09:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08938; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 15:07:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 15:07:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: Repeater is Here! Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 12:07:05 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200108271811.OAA32361@www.editev.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings all! I just wanted to say that the FedEx lady just brought me a new Repeater from Alto Music! I mean, I actually have my hands on one! So, I can now say with certainty what was mere rumor before: the Repeater *is* shipping! Time to go play! Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 15:15:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09309; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 15:13:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 15:13:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <018401c12f2b$c00fe190$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <200108270331.XAA03568@hemlock.violacea.com> <00ef01c12eda$cecd6500$a442f93f@dnlsh01> <3B8A8F86.68BB2437@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: ARTIFACTS.................the thread......... Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 14:09:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com . . . > > day in order to do it.........wish me luck....... Hey! Congratulations, Rick! Best of luck on your gig! > > I'd love to get an ARTIFACTS thread going. > > sounds like a ct-project in the making, rick. :-) How 'bout a CT-project called HOUSE MUSIC? We imagine one house for all of us. We decide on the number and types of rooms. It can be a big mansion with perhaps an attached garage. Each participant is assigned a separate room (kitchen, hall closet, basement, etc.) in the house. All the sounds of your musical piece must come from a real room of the same type. Just an idea... Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 15:17:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09479; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 15:15:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 15:15:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 11:55:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Software..somewhat OT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i've been using Logic Platinum on a mac G4 for about 3 months now. IMO, the sequencers of choice fall into the same trap as the PC vs. Mac thing. they're just tools and you choose your preference. so far, my impressions of Logic: -very, very powerful (think photoshop here...could you 'master' photoshop in a week? a month? a year? i've been on it professionally for 7 years and still learning) -very unintuitive at times -very flexible...almost to a fault...you tell Logic how you want to work more that it telling you how to work. -elegant in its approach...once you get it. -if you work with midi, the environment is the "book of secrets". it is incredibly flexible and powerful, but can leave even experienced people scratching their heads. i spent a good deal of time on logic users forums and chasing info...this seems to be a common area of both complaints and wow's. -hyperdraw rocks...pan and volume envelopes ala acid. -loop sequences or audio regions with a single key click? pretty cool to me! if anybody's got any good tricks up their sleeves on logic, i'd love to hear 'em, or discuss problems/hurdles crossed. email me off list. now that i've got my template all set up in Logic for how i want, i've loaded it onto a G3 powerbook as well. With my MOTU 828, i'm looking forward to knocking on some friends doors for some impromptu recording sessions... lookout, cliff! best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 15:33:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10318; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 15:32:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 15:32:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Importance: Normal Subject: Re: EDP for Sale on EBAY To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.07a May 14, 2001 Message-ID: From: "John Schumacher" Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 13:30:22 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on d27ml601/27/M/IBM(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 08/27/2001 02:28:44 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <18KIeC.A.CgC.fAqi7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am already regretting the sale. But if I invest that money in the stock marketing for 5 years, given the current gains on my investments... it would be... an even dumber move : ) Thanks for making me feel better for my decision. John "whiteoakstudios" on 08/25/2001 02:57:10 AM Please respond to Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: cc: Subject: Re: EDP for Sale on EBAY 5 years down the road you'll be buying it back : ) Gareth > > My wife and I had a baby a couple of months ago and my home studio space > has become a nursery with me having little time or space left to play and > need for cash for other priorities. I have been selling off most of my > gear and after much debate I putting up for sale one of my favorite pieces > of equipment, a Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro (EDP) with the foot controller. > If interested here is the URL for the auction on ebay. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1458999533 > > Thanks, > > John > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 15:57:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14369; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 15:55:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 15:55:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <018101c12f31$e7f6d1e0$7e87abd4@LucaFormentini> From: "luca" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: continous control pedals Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:53:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just a note regarding pedals: if you are not conecting them to a device which has the chance to calibrate them, the resistor value has to be of 100Kohms. Usually it is of 10 Kohms. In my experience the cost of Boss' Ev5 isn't justified, truy Bespeco or whatever, they are waaay cheper... luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 15:59:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14595; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 15:57:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 15:57:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <018b01c12f32$39a576e0$7e87abd4@LucaFormentini> From: "luca" To: References: Subject: R: Repeater Frenzy Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:55:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com rich wrote > real italian gondolas they trek folks around in > amongst the water channels in the Naples area. Gondolas are in Venice, mandolins are in Naples... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 16:17:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16898; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 16:15:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 16:15:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <018b01c12f32$39a576e0$7e87abd4@LucaFormentini> References: <018b01c12f32$39a576e0$7e87abd4@LucaFormentini> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 12:54:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: R: Repeater Frenzy Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sure, in italy... but in ol' long beach, the channels are in Naples... leave it to us yanks to screw up borrowed cultural references, eh? rich >rich wrote >> real italian gondolas they trek folks around in >> amongst the water channels in the Naples area. >Gondolas are in Venice, mandolins are in Naples... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 16:18:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17090; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 16:15:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 16:15:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Repeater and the CFC Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 13:16:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey loopers, I have just learned that the first 100 or so Repeaters may have shipped with CFC cards that had the Electrix sticker on the wrong side. I think this is how Chris Hutton got confused and thought the card needs to be upside down to work. The cards do not have to be inserted upside down however, being the early adopters of Repeater, loopers on this list will probably get units from this first batch. You might get a card with the sticker on the wrong side. Just follow these instructions and you should be fine. The CFC card is keyed so it should only go in one way and should slide into the slot fairly easily. However, if it is forced, it can be made to go in the wrong way. Some units are easier to do this than others. Essentially the little "lip" on the back of the card (the end that is not inserted) faces the floor when inserting the card (as long as Repeater is not upside down). If you get a card that has the Electrix sticker on the same side as the lip it is on the wrong side. You need to insert the card with that sticker facing the floor. You are also very lucky because you now have a rare collectors item. Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 16:31:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18475; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 16:29:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 16:29:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 15:30:45 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Repeater and the CFC To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006e01c12f37$2644e2c0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com fs: electrix classic/retro "inverted" cfc card. this is the amazing, much sought after card to get that authentic dt sound. way better than the so-called "re-issue" cfc card. $900 obo. From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" > Hey loopers, > I have just learned that the first 100 or so Repeaters may have shipped > with CFC cards that had the Electrix sticker on the wrong side.... >... >... You are also very lucky because you now have a rare > collectors item. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 16:49:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19520; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 16:46:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 16:46:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 16:48:09 -0400 Subject: Re: continous control pedals From: Doug Miller To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <018101c12f31$e7f6d1e0$7e87abd4@LucaFormentini> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2li9n.A.PwE.BGri7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What are you using EV-5s with? I already have two that I use with my Roland VG-8 and GR-30's. Can I use them with the EDP too!? > In my experience the cost of Boss' Ev5 isn't justified, truy Bespeco or > whatever, they are waaay cheper... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 16:49:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19580; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 16:47:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 16:47:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB782@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Repeater and the CFC Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 16:46:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C12F39.47E9F1C0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12F39.47E9F1C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" an ebay classic is born . . . fs: electrix classic/retro "inverted" cfc card. this is the amazing, much sought after card to get that authentic dt sound. way better than the so-called "re-issue" cfc card. $900 obo. From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" > Hey loopers, > I have just learned that the first 100 or so Repeaters may have shipped > with CFC cards that had the Electrix sticker on the wrong side.... >... >... You are also very lucky because you now have a rare > collectors item. > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12F39.47E9F1C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: Repeater and the CFC

an ebay classic is born . . .




fs: electrix classic/retro "inverted" cfc card.
this is the amazing, much sought after card to
get that authentic dt sound. way better than the
so-called "re-issue" cfc card.
$900 obo.



From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" <Damon@electrixpro.com>


> Hey loopers,
>  I have just learned that the first 100 or so Repeaters may have shipped
> with CFC cards that had the Electrix sticker on the wrong side....
>...
>... You are also very lucky because you now have a rare
> collectors item.
>

------_=_NextPart_001_01C12F39.47E9F1C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 16:51:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19793; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 16:48:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 16:48:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8AB1FD.90550EEE@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 13:47:55 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater is Here! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com woooooo! Did you have to ask for FedEx shipping? I don't remember being asked for a shipping type. It sure would be swell if I got one FedEx too! I'm just happy to get one though. Kevin Mulvihill wrote: > Greetings all! I just wanted to say that the FedEx lady just brought me a > new Repeater from Alto Music! I mean, I actually have my hands on one! So, I > can now say with certainty what was mere rumor before: the Repeater *is* > shipping! > > Time to go play! > Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 16:56:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20569; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 16:54:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 16:54:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8AB356.1E8675F1@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 13:53:40 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater and the CFC References: <006e01c12f37$2644e2c0$080210ac@jpalmer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4WWM5C.A.JBF.uNri7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ha hahahhahhaha! Screw you! I'm just going to put my card in the right way and mount the repeater upside down! Ha ha ha I'm drunk with power! jim palmer wrote: > fs: electrix classic/retro "inverted" cfc card. > this is the amazing, much sought after card to > get that authentic dt sound. way better than the > so-called "re-issue" cfc card. > $900 obo. > > From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" > > > Hey loopers, > > I have just learned that the first 100 or so Repeaters may have shipped > > with CFC cards that had the Electrix sticker on the wrong side.... > >... > >... You are also very lucky because you now have a rare > > collectors item. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 17:18:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22950; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 17:15:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 17:15:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c12f3d$01d48520$d7534f40@makata> From: "Mark Kata" To: Subject: Digitech RDS-3600 Sighted Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 17:12:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <4xSddB.A.9lF.xgri7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For Sale: Digitech RDS-3600 Digital Delay - 6-8 seconds maximum delay - Sine-wave modulation available for all delay times - Pristine condition - Analog knobs and buttons that work in realtime A great entry level looper. Seen at: Huber and Breese Music Studio 33540 Groesbeck Fraser, Michigan 48026 Phone: 810-294-3950 Contact them, not me! MK From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 17:51:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26473; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 17:49:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 17:49:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: Repeater and the CFC Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 14:43:42 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <3B8AB356.1E8675F1@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Damon, I saw your list of recommended CFC cards, included the SanDisk brand, but didn't include the 64mb card. Would you recommend that card? I ask because there is a pretty good deal on these at my local Costco. Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 1:54 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Repeater and the CFC > > > ha hahahhahhaha! Screw you! I'm just going to put my card in > the right way > and mount the repeater upside down! Ha ha ha I'm drunk with power! > > jim palmer wrote: > > > fs: electrix classic/retro "inverted" cfc card. > > this is the amazing, much sought after card to > > get that authentic dt sound. way better than the > > so-called "re-issue" cfc card. > > $900 obo. > > > > From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" > > > > > Hey loopers, > > > I have just learned that the first 100 or so Repeaters may > have shipped > > > with CFC cards that had the Electrix sticker on the wrong side.... > > >... > > >... You are also very lucky because you now have a rare > > > collectors item. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 18:15:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28863; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 18:14:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 18:14:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010827181653.03ca0c20@marathon.simons-rock.edu> X-Sender: nick@marathon.simons-rock.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 18:18:44 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: nick ring Subject: Re: Digitech RDS-3600 Sighted In-Reply-To: <002201c12f3d$01d48520$d7534f40@makata> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >For Sale: Digitech RDS-3600 Digital Delay I've been wondering lately where all the digitechs have gone. I've got a few of 'em and would see 'em fairly regularly on Harmony-central's classifieds, but it's been ages. Have they all been thrown in a dump somewhere? Are people suddenly satisfied w/ 'em in the face of all that comes our way? Can I now sell mine for far too much and get a repeater instead? -nick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 18:43:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29872; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 18:37:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 18:37:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Repeater and the CFC Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 15:37:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I saw your list of recommended CFC cards, included the SanDisk brand, but >didn't include the 64mb card. Would you recommend that card? I ask because >there is a pretty good deal on these at my local Costco. It depends... The Sandisk cards work, they will record in stereo, and is are very reliable cards. However the ones we tested did seem to have some minor speed limitations with Repeater. With the cards tested, I was only able to record in stereo for about 3.5 minutes before repeater reports "CFC Slow" and it stops recording (mono went for the entire 8 minutes with no problems). This only comes up when you have a 64 MB card or higher, OR if you are making extreeeeeeeeeeeemly long loops, OR if you are using Repeater as a digital hard disk recorder because you went out and bought a 512 MB CFC card. Considering most loops are only seconds long it's probably only a minor limitation. The newer DaneElec and Simple tech cards seem to have no speed limitations with Repeater. Full stereo recording up to 8 minutes etc. If you don't mind the minor speed limitations then you are probably o.k. and will be very happy with the Sandisk card you are eyeballing. See if you can arrange to try before you buy or get a return grantee and then you won't have to worry. The following was written to the list earlier by Don, one of the brainiacs at Electrix who sweated blood to bring Repeater to life. Disclaimers: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1. The following is based on my experience and is my personal opinion. It should not be taken to represent the official views or position of Electrix/IVL Technologies. (even though the conclusion is pretty much exactly the same). 2. The following only relates to CFC cards in the context of their use with Repeater, and implies nothing about their suitability or performance with ANY OTHER PRODUCT. 3. If you think I am being paranoid, I have been flamed badly in the past. All this having been said, flame proof underpants on and here goes... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I noticed the discussion starting around CFC buys. There is some stuff on the Electrix website, and also on a flyer shipped with the unit. However you do need to be aware of card specs - the only real way to know things are going to be cool is to test Repeater with the card you wish to use. Until specifications become a perfect art, rather than a marketting tool, that is just the way it is. Electrix has been doing a lot of testing with different CFC cards, and our recommendations are based on the results of those tests. Technobabble follows --- CFC card specs that are published from different manufacturers seem to cover the following: Burst-mode rate (quoted ~6-10MB/sec). Ignore this. Unfortunately everyone who designs a CFC interface needs to design for the lowest common denominator anyway, making this spec worse than useless IMHO. Read rate. Typically 800KB/sec -> 2MB/sec. Read rate is not really the issue. Reading flash memory is pretty damn quick and in Repeater accounts for a fairly small proportion of the time consumed at the CFC interface. Write rate. Quoted (ahem!) 500KB/sec -> 1.5MB/sec. However this is the long-term sustained rate, and depending on the card manufacturer, the data caching algorithms they use, and a whole load of other variables the short-term variance in write operation latency can be huge. I know - I have pored over the logic analyser and scope traces looking into this phenomenon until I went bug eyed [still in recovery...]. CFC cards do some pretty nifty footwork under the hood to manage the storage medium - including error recovery, bad sector remapping, wear levelling etc... Also, writing is a cached mechanism and there are additional time effects due to the caching scheme used, the pattern of writes to the card and the amount of cache available. The result of all of this is that an apparently fast card may occasionally (or in the case of one card we tested, very often...) take a long time to complete a write operation. Hit a few of these long write operations in a row and all of a sudden Repeater will have run out of write buffer space and will inform you that there is an issue here... Most cards will handle the 'sequential' writing of mono operation with no problems. Stereo operation is where most problems lie. The pattern of writes to two .wav files can fight with the CFC caching scheme and cause the card performance to be somewhat less than desirable. So - that is the low down. --- My advice is to read the specs (the faster card manufacturers will quote them with pride. The slower card manufacturers will quote them under a subtle disguise to make you think they are better than they are...). Take all specs with a healthy dose of reserve. Then, if you can test a card before you buy, do. We are providing information on cards we have thoroughly tested and are happy with to help with purchase decisions. The Simple Technologies cards deliver. DaneElec also are just dandy. This does not imply that other cards out there will not also do just fine, but it provides a starting point. I hope that with experience that this forum will provide more information about good card choices for use with Repeater. We will also update the information on the web site as more experience and test results become available. Please consult the website and feel free to post questions for us folks about CFC cards. We will be happy to occasionally break the lurking mode and provide what information we can. Cheers, and I hope you folks have a *lot* of fun... Don Goodeve (of Rik Elswit's 'Don and the Maniacs' fame... I kind of like that one...) ps. CFC technology is moving *damn* quick these days, and the speed of cards will become less of an issue as time goes on. With Repeater we had to design towards where we expected CFC technology to be, and fortunately our Crystal Ball did a pretty good job. Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 18:56:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30509; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 18:47:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 18:47:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8ACE2E.CA99BB47@pathcom.com> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 18:48:14 -0400 From: hutton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater and the CFC References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What I said was "the Repeater needs to be upside down for the card to be properly placed" I definitely was not confused ...... Perhaps you could send me a proper card! You are confused to think it is a wonderful flaw ..... I would like to have the proper card for the Repeater ........ You are telling a lot of people that I am a confused person while admitting I was correct! .......... Perhaps you will send me a proper card 14 months from this date. "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" wrote: > Hey loopers, > I have just learned that the first 100 or so Repeaters may have shipped > with CFC cards that had the Electrix sticker on the wrong side. I think this > is how Chris Hutton got confused and thought the card needs to be upside > down to work. The cards do not have to be inserted upside down however, > being the early adopters of Repeater, loopers on this list will probably get > units from this first batch. You might get a card with the sticker on the > wrong side. Just follow these instructions and you should be fine. > > The CFC card is keyed so it should only go in one way and should slide into > the slot fairly easily. However, if it is forced, it can be made to go in > the wrong way. Some units are easier to do this than others. Essentially the > little "lip" on the back of the card (the end that is not inserted) faces > the floor when inserting the card (as long as Repeater is not upside down). > If you get a card that has the Electrix sticker on the same side as the lip > it is on the wrong side. You need to insert the card with that sticker > facing the floor. You are also very lucky because you now have a rare > collectors item. > > Respect, > > Damon Langlois > Creative Director > Electrix > Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 > http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 19:26:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01010; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:25:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:25:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Repeater and the CFC Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 16:20:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Chris, I didn't sight you in my email to embarrass you. I wanted to clarify your post. The sticker was placed on the wrong side of the card and the manual shows it being inserted with that side facing up. So I know there are going to be other people calling us with there cards upside down-our fault. We don't explain in the manual about the lip because the card is keyed and is only supposed to go in one way. However, we do know that some Repeaters will accept the card upside down (I guess the key isn't very positive). I regret we gave you a crappy experience by putting the sticker on the wrong side but this kind of thing happens when production first begins ramping up. Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 19:36:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01750; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:34:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:34:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 16:13:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: RE: Repeater and the CFC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >because the card is keyed and is >only supposed to go in one way. However, we do know that some Repeaters will >accept the card upside down (I guess the key isn't very positive). Damon, what happens if the card gets inserted the 'wrong' way? will it be able to be ejected? will it damage the Repeater and/or the CFC card? rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 19:39:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02090; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:38:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:38:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.119.2] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: daniel_c@vtr.net Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: remix Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 18:37:22 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2001 23:37:23.0040 (UTC) FILETIME=[38885600:01C12F51] Resent-Message-ID: <-k76gC.A.Og.Xnti7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Go-Zilla ? NetZip Demon ? I hate those because they install spyware on your PC, like Savenow, and MDM, and a few others. They don't help all that much with speed (I have DSL, so that's moot), and they really don't help much with downloading from FTP sites, but that is neither here nor there. I have the loop (is that a Billy Preston sample I hear in there ?), now I need to know what you want done with it ? You say you want it remixed, but what can I do with it, it is too short for any elaborate tricks, and I don't want to ruin it with some inane effects. Do you want me to build a song based on the loop ? Now that is a possibility... so give me some input to this conundrum . Lucien E. Darthard A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It. Cell Phone 1-773-578-3504 http://go.to/ldarthard/ ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Daniel" To: Subject: Fw: Fw: remix Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 10:49:56 -0600 the file is attached. Thank you very much for your patience. In the future try using something like netzip demon or gozilla << dj.mp3 >> _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 19:43:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02428; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:41:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:41:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: Digitech RDS-3600 Sighted Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:36:22 -0500 Message-ID: <01c12f59$7718e6c0$6c6a580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snips n' snaps -----Original Message----- From: nick ring To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Monday, August 27, 2001 5:16 PM Subject: Re: Digitech RDS-3600 Sighted > >For Sale: Digitech RDS-3600 Digital Delay > >I've been wondering lately where all the digitechs have gone. I've got a >few of 'em and would see 'em fairly regularly on Harmony-central's Nick - In my experience on a check of Ebay, Digitech will get you 170-250 hits, of those about 125 are actual Digitech products and is (IMO) a great chance to get quite a few cool loopers for less than a lot of other tools (both old and new). Also and obviously used music stores and (at least in NYC) many pawn shops. I was wondering about the 3600, is that baby really able to get up to 8 sec.? I remember someone selling one of those a few years ago on HC, I didn't buy that it went to 8, would be very interested if I was off the mark. PedrOOrdeP -----Original Message----- From: nick ring To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Monday, August 27, 2001 5:16 PM Subject: Re: Digitech RDS-3600 Sighted > >For Sale: Digitech RDS-3600 Digital Delay > >I've been wondering lately where all the digitechs have gone. I've got a >few of 'em and would see 'em fairly regularly on Harmony-central's >classifieds, but it's been ages. Have they all been thrown in a dump >somewhere? Are people suddenly satisfied w/ 'em in the face of all that >comes our way? Can I now sell mine for far too much and get a repeater >instead? > > -nick > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 19:44:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02467; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:41:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:41:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: EH 16 sec. question Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:38:22 -0500 Message-ID: <01c12f59$bd946b60$6c6a580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all: Anyone know what the sampling rate of the EH 16 sec. pedal of the early 1980's? Anyone have a manual they'd be willing to share? Thanks, PedrOOrdeP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 19:47:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02663; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:43:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:43:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 18:43:27 -0500 (CDT) From: spaceloop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech RDS-3600 Sighted In-Reply-To: <002201c12f3d$01d48520$d7534f40@makata> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Isn't the 3600 a 3.6 sec delay? I have never been sure about the actual times on the Digitech "dot" units. But as a proud owner of an RDS-4000, I can attest to the notion that this is a fantastic entry looper. It's the unit that inspired me to get an EDP. On Mon, 27 Aug 2001, Mark Kata wrote: > For Sale: Digitech RDS-3600 Digital Delay > - 6-8 seconds maximum delay > - Sine-wave modulation available for all delay times > - Pristine condition > - Analog knobs and buttons that work in realtime > > A great entry level looper. > > Seen at: > > Huber and Breese Music Studio > 33540 Groesbeck > Fraser, Michigan 48026 > Phone: 810-294-3950 > > Contact them, not me! > > MK > > -- travis salisbury http://www.illuminetdesign.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 19:50:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03257; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:48:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:48:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010827194407.007d5450@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:44:07 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Digitech RDS-3600 Sighted In-Reply-To: <01c12f59$7718e6c0$6c6a580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:36 PM 8/27/01 -0500, you wrote: >I was wondering about the 3600, is that baby really able to get up to 8 >sec.? Unmodified, I believe it does 3.6 seconds, but I've heard you can make some adjustments inside (was it trimpots?) to get more time at the expense of fidelity. -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 19:51:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03314; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:49:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:49:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: Another Repeater MIDI Controller Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 16:49:11 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Diligent readers of the list know that d/t is using a Peavey PC1600x to control his Repeater (and likely other nifty stuff as well). I'm in the market for something to control the Repeater as well as my Kurzweil K2600RS rack mount synth. Just today there was another post on the Kurzweil list about this controller: the Bitstream Pro from Wave Idea (http://www.waveidea.com/english/index.htm). This actually looks to be a more fully featured controller than the Peavey - it is fully programmable and has 35 knobs, 8 sliders, 8 switches, 3 built-in user setups, assignable crossfaders, backlit LCD - heck, it's even got a built-in programmable LFO! Delivered with Windows 9x/2K configuration software, any MIDI event or message can be assigned to each potentiometer, switch, and LFO. As soon as the unit has been configured, the controller can be used in standalone mode without the PC. Looks great, but I'm wondering... has anyone ever heard of this box? Anyone used one or have any comments on it? Thanks, Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 19:55:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03815; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:53:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:53:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8ADDA8.989AE733@pathcom.com> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:54:17 -0400 From: hutton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater and the CFC References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4z40GB.A.46.b1ti7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Want a laugh? ........ ask this man where you can purchase a 128mb SimpleTech CFC in Canada ....... Listen to his company's "Answer" ...... Note ,,,,, it is a Canadian company! "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" wrote: > >I saw your list of recommended CFC cards, included the SanDisk brand, but > >didn't include the 64mb card. Would you recommend that card? I ask because > >there is a pretty good deal on these at my local Costco. > > It depends... The Sandisk cards work, they will record in stereo, and is are > very reliable cards. However the ones we tested did seem to have some minor > speed limitations with Repeater. With the cards tested, I was only able to > record in stereo for about 3.5 minutes before repeater reports "CFC Slow" > and it stops recording (mono went for the entire 8 minutes with no > problems). This only comes up when you have a 64 MB card or higher, OR if > you are making extreeeeeeeeeeeemly long loops, OR if you are using Repeater > as a digital hard disk recorder because you went out and bought a 512 MB CFC > card. Considering most loops are only seconds long it's probably only a > minor limitation. The newer DaneElec and Simple tech cards seem to have no > speed limitations with Repeater. Full stereo recording up to 8 minutes etc. > If you don't mind the minor speed limitations then you are probably o.k. and > will be very happy with the Sandisk card you are eyeballing. See if you can > arrange to try before you buy or get a return grantee and then you won't > have to worry. > > The following was written to the list earlier by Don, one of the brainiacs > at Electrix who sweated blood to bring Repeater to life. > > Disclaimers: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > 1. The following is based on my experience and is my personal > opinion. It should not be taken to represent the official views > or position of Electrix/IVL Technologies. (even though the > conclusion is pretty much exactly the same). > > 2. The following only relates to CFC cards in the context of > their use with Repeater, and implies nothing about their > suitability or performance with ANY OTHER PRODUCT. > > 3. If you think I am being paranoid, I have been flamed badly > in the past. All this having been said, flame proof underpants > on and here goes... > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I noticed the discussion starting around CFC buys. There is some > stuff on the Electrix website, and also on a flyer shipped with the > unit. However you do need to be aware of card specs - the only > real way to know things are going to be cool is to test Repeater > with the card you wish to use. Until specifications become a > perfect art, rather than a marketting tool, that is just the way it > is. > > Electrix has been doing a lot of testing with different CFC cards, > and our recommendations are based on the results of those > tests. > > Technobabble follows > --- > CFC card specs that are published from different manufacturers > seem to cover the following: > > Burst-mode rate (quoted ~6-10MB/sec). Ignore this. Unfortunately > everyone who designs a CFC interface needs to design for the > lowest common denominator anyway, making this spec worse than > useless IMHO. > > Read rate. Typically 800KB/sec -> 2MB/sec. Read rate is not > really the issue. Reading flash memory is pretty damn quick and > in Repeater accounts for a fairly small proportion of the time > consumed at the CFC interface. > > Write rate. Quoted (ahem!) 500KB/sec -> 1.5MB/sec. However > this is the long-term sustained rate, and depending on the card > manufacturer, the data caching algorithms they use, and a whole > load of other variables the short-term variance in write operation > latency can be huge. I know - I have pored over the logic analyser > and scope traces looking into this phenomenon until I went bug > eyed [still in recovery...]. > > CFC cards do some pretty nifty footwork under the hood to manage > the storage medium - including error recovery, bad sector > remapping, wear levelling etc... Also, writing is a cached > mechanism and there are additional time effects due to the caching > scheme used, the pattern of writes to the card and the amount of > cache available. > > The result of all of this is that an apparently fast card may > occasionally (or in the case of one card we tested, very often...) > take a long time to complete a write operation. Hit a few of these > long write operations in a row and all of a sudden Repeater will > have run out of write buffer space and will inform you that there is > an issue here... > > Most cards will handle the 'sequential' writing of mono operation > with no problems. Stereo operation is where most problems lie. > The pattern of writes to two .wav files can fight with the CFC > caching scheme and cause the card performance to be somewhat > less than desirable. > > So - that is the low down. > --- > > My advice is to read the specs (the faster card manufacturers will > quote them with pride. The slower card manufacturers will quote > them under a subtle disguise to make you think they are better > than they are...). Take all specs with a healthy dose of reserve. > > Then, if you can test a card before you buy, do. We are providing > information on cards we have thoroughly tested and are happy with > to help with purchase decisions. > > The Simple Technologies cards deliver. DaneElec also are just > dandy. This does not imply that other cards out there will not > also do just fine, but it provides a starting point. I hope that with > experience that this forum will provide more information about > good card choices for use with Repeater. We will also update > the information on the web site as more experience and test > results become available. > > Please consult the website and feel free to post questions > for us folks about CFC cards. We will be happy to occasionally > break the lurking mode and provide what information we can. > > Cheers, and I hope you folks have a *lot* of fun... > > Don Goodeve > > (of Rik Elswit's 'Don and the Maniacs' fame... I kind of like that > one...) > > ps. CFC technology is moving *damn* quick these days, and the > speed of cards will become less of an issue as time goes on. With > Repeater we had to design towards where we expected CFC > technology to be, and fortunately our Crystal Ball did a pretty good > job. > > Respect, > > Damon Langlois > Creative Director > Electrix > Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 > http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 19:57:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03919; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:55:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:55:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: Digitech RDS-3600 Sighted Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:52:21 -0500 Message-ID: <01c12f5b$b1c9b400$6c6a580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snippy -----Original Message----- From: Tim Nelson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Monday, August 27, 2001 6:49 PM Subject: Re: Digitech RDS-3600 Sighted >At 07:36 PM 8/27/01 -0500, you wrote: >>I was wondering about the 3600, is that baby really able to get up to 8 >>sec.? > >Unmodified, I believe it does 3.6 seconds, but I've heard you can make some >adjustments inside (was it trimpots?) to get more time at the expense of >fidelity. > >-t Tim - Yes ya can, I remember a page on LD that had something on that mod. best, pf From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 20:03:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05812; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:02:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:02:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010827195852.007d5b70@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:58:52 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Digitech RDS-3600 Sighted In-Reply-To: <01c12f5b$b1c9b400$6c6a580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:52 PM 8/27/01 -0500, you wrote: >Yes ya can, I remember a page on LD that had something on that mod. Yep, here it is: -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 20:04:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05781; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:02:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:02:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Repeater and the CFC Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 17:02:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.simpletech.com/wtb/wtb_irt.htm Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com -----Original Message----- From: hutton [mailto:hutton@pathcom.com] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 4:54 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater and the CFC Want a laugh? ........ ask this man where you can purchase a 128mb SimpleTech CFC in Canada ....... Listen to his company's "Answer" ...... Note ,,,,, it is a Canadian company! "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" wrote: > >I saw your list of recommended CFC cards, included the SanDisk brand, but > >didn't include the 64mb card. Would you recommend that card? I ask because > >there is a pretty good deal on these at my local Costco. > > It depends... The Sandisk cards work, they will record in stereo, and is are > very reliable cards. However the ones we tested did seem to have some minor > speed limitations with Repeater. With the cards tested, I was only able to > record in stereo for about 3.5 minutes before repeater reports "CFC Slow" > and it stops recording (mono went for the entire 8 minutes with no > problems). This only comes up when you have a 64 MB card or higher, OR if > you are making extreeeeeeeeeeeemly long loops, OR if you are using Repeater > as a digital hard disk recorder because you went out and bought a 512 MB CFC > card. Considering most loops are only seconds long it's probably only a > minor limitation. The newer DaneElec and Simple tech cards seem to have no > speed limitations with Repeater. Full stereo recording up to 8 minutes etc. > If you don't mind the minor speed limitations then you are probably o.k. and > will be very happy with the Sandisk card you are eyeballing. See if you can > arrange to try before you buy or get a return grantee and then you won't > have to worry. > > The following was written to the list earlier by Don, one of the brainiacs > at Electrix who sweated blood to bring Repeater to life. > > Disclaimers: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > 1. The following is based on my experience and is my personal > opinion. It should not be taken to represent the official views > or position of Electrix/IVL Technologies. (even though the > conclusion is pretty much exactly the same). > > 2. The following only relates to CFC cards in the context of > their use with Repeater, and implies nothing about their > suitability or performance with ANY OTHER PRODUCT. > > 3. If you think I am being paranoid, I have been flamed badly > in the past. All this having been said, flame proof underpants > on and here goes... > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I noticed the discussion starting around CFC buys. There is some > stuff on the Electrix website, and also on a flyer shipped with the > unit. However you do need to be aware of card specs - the only > real way to know things are going to be cool is to test Repeater > with the card you wish to use. Until specifications become a > perfect art, rather than a marketting tool, that is just the way it > is. > > Electrix has been doing a lot of testing with different CFC cards, > and our recommendations are based on the results of those > tests. > > Technobabble follows > --- > CFC card specs that are published from different manufacturers > seem to cover the following: > > Burst-mode rate (quoted ~6-10MB/sec). Ignore this. Unfortunately > everyone who designs a CFC interface needs to design for the > lowest common denominator anyway, making this spec worse than > useless IMHO. > > Read rate. Typically 800KB/sec -> 2MB/sec. Read rate is not > really the issue. Reading flash memory is pretty damn quick and > in Repeater accounts for a fairly small proportion of the time > consumed at the CFC interface. > > Write rate. Quoted (ahem!) 500KB/sec -> 1.5MB/sec. However > this is the long-term sustained rate, and depending on the card > manufacturer, the data caching algorithms they use, and a whole > load of other variables the short-term variance in write operation > latency can be huge. I know - I have pored over the logic analyser > and scope traces looking into this phenomenon until I went bug > eyed [still in recovery...]. > > CFC cards do some pretty nifty footwork under the hood to manage > the storage medium - including error recovery, bad sector > remapping, wear levelling etc... Also, writing is a cached > mechanism and there are additional time effects due to the caching > scheme used, the pattern of writes to the card and the amount of > cache available. > > The result of all of this is that an apparently fast card may > occasionally (or in the case of one card we tested, very often...) > take a long time to complete a write operation. Hit a few of these > long write operations in a row and all of a sudden Repeater will > have run out of write buffer space and will inform you that there is > an issue here... > > Most cards will handle the 'sequential' writing of mono operation > with no problems. Stereo operation is where most problems lie. > The pattern of writes to two .wav files can fight with the CFC > caching scheme and cause the card performance to be somewhat > less than desirable. > > So - that is the low down. > --- > > My advice is to read the specs (the faster card manufacturers will > quote them with pride. The slower card manufacturers will quote > them under a subtle disguise to make you think they are better > than they are...). Take all specs with a healthy dose of reserve. > > Then, if you can test a card before you buy, do. We are providing > information on cards we have thoroughly tested and are happy with > to help with purchase decisions. > > The Simple Technologies cards deliver. DaneElec also are just > dandy. This does not imply that other cards out there will not > also do just fine, but it provides a starting point. I hope that with > experience that this forum will provide more information about > good card choices for use with Repeater. We will also update > the information on the web site as more experience and test > results become available. > > Please consult the website and feel free to post questions > for us folks about CFC cards. We will be happy to occasionally > break the lurking mode and provide what information we can. > > Cheers, and I hope you folks have a *lot* of fun... > > Don Goodeve > > (of Rik Elswit's 'Don and the Maniacs' fame... I kind of like that > one...) > > ps. CFC technology is moving *damn* quick these days, and the > speed of cards will become less of an issue as time goes on. With > Repeater we had to design towards where we expected CFC > technology to be, and fortunately our Crystal Ball did a pretty good > job. > > Respect, > > Damon Langlois > Creative Director > Electrix > Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 > http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 20:06:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06162; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:04:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:04:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8AE046.FD6EFAE8@pathcom.com> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:05:27 -0400 From: hutton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater and the CFC References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8KQUJD.A.CgB.5_ti7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So what I am to understand is you are not going to do the right thing and provide me with a proper CFC? ......... Your problems and my money are two different issues sir. One excuse here, when is the next one ...... Calling me confused does not clarify the post and you know that! "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" wrote: > Hey Chris, > I didn't sight you in my email to embarrass you. I wanted to clarify your > post. The sticker was placed on the wrong side of the card and the manual > shows it being inserted with that side facing up. So I know there are going > to be other people calling us with there cards upside down-our fault. We > don't explain in the manual about the lip because the card is keyed and is > only supposed to go in one way. However, we do know that some Repeaters will > accept the card upside down (I guess the key isn't very positive). I regret > we gave you a crappy experience by putting the sticker on the wrong side but > this kind of thing happens when production first begins ramping up. > > Respect, > > Damon Langlois > Creative Director > Electrix > Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 > http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 20:10:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06525; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:07:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:07:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Repeater and the CFC Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 17:08:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >what happens if the card gets inserted the 'wrong' way? will it be >able to be ejected? will it damage the Repeater and/or the CFC card? >rich If you don't use extreem force to insert the card, Repeater should be fine. However we have not done extensive testing of this so let's just leave it at not inserting the card upside down. Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com >what happens if the card gets inserted the 'wrong' way? will it be >able to be ejected? will it damage the Repeater and/or the CFC card? >rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 20:11:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06593; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:08:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:08:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8AE13B.BD390470@pathcom.com> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:09:31 -0400 From: hutton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater and the CFC References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-Kw_gD.A.3mB.uDui7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Try This and see what happens! "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" wrote: > http://www.simpletech.com/wtb/wtb_irt.htm > > Respect, > > Damon Langlois > Creative Director > Electrix > Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 > http://www.electrixpro.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: hutton [mailto:hutton@pathcom.com] > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 4:54 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Repeater and the CFC > > Want a laugh? ........ ask this man where you can purchase a 128mb > SimpleTech > CFC in Canada ....... Listen to his company's "Answer" ...... Note ,,,,, it > is > a Canadian company! > > "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" wrote: > > > >I saw your list of recommended CFC cards, included the SanDisk brand, but > > >didn't include the 64mb card. Would you recommend that card? I ask > because > > >there is a pretty good deal on these at my local Costco. > > > > It depends... The Sandisk cards work, they will record in stereo, and is > are > > very reliable cards. However the ones we tested did seem to have some > minor > > speed limitations with Repeater. With the cards tested, I was only able to > > record in stereo for about 3.5 minutes before repeater reports "CFC Slow" > > and it stops recording (mono went for the entire 8 minutes with no > > problems). This only comes up when you have a 64 MB card or higher, OR if > > you are making extreeeeeeeeeeeemly long loops, OR if you are using > Repeater > > as a digital hard disk recorder because you went out and bought a 512 MB > CFC > > card. Considering most loops are only seconds long it's probably only a > > minor limitation. The newer DaneElec and Simple tech cards seem to have no > > speed limitations with Repeater. Full stereo recording up to 8 minutes > etc. > > If you don't mind the minor speed limitations then you are probably o.k. > and > > will be very happy with the Sandisk card you are eyeballing. See if you > can > > arrange to try before you buy or get a return grantee and then you won't > > have to worry. > > > > The following was written to the list earlier by Don, one of the brainiacs > > at Electrix who sweated blood to bring Repeater to life. > > > > Disclaimers: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > 1. The following is based on my experience and is my personal > > opinion. It should not be taken to represent the official views > > or position of Electrix/IVL Technologies. (even though the > > conclusion is pretty much exactly the same). > > > > 2. The following only relates to CFC cards in the context of > > their use with Repeater, and implies nothing about their > > suitability or performance with ANY OTHER PRODUCT. > > > > 3. If you think I am being paranoid, I have been flamed badly > > in the past. All this having been said, flame proof underpants > > on and here goes... > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > I noticed the discussion starting around CFC buys. There is some > > stuff on the Electrix website, and also on a flyer shipped with the > > unit. However you do need to be aware of card specs - the only > > real way to know things are going to be cool is to test Repeater > > with the card you wish to use. Until specifications become a > > perfect art, rather than a marketting tool, that is just the way it > > is. > > > > Electrix has been doing a lot of testing with different CFC cards, > > and our recommendations are based on the results of those > > tests. > > > > Technobabble follows > > --- > > CFC card specs that are published from different manufacturers > > seem to cover the following: > > > > Burst-mode rate (quoted ~6-10MB/sec). Ignore this. Unfortunately > > everyone who designs a CFC interface needs to design for the > > lowest common denominator anyway, making this spec worse than > > useless IMHO. > > > > Read rate. Typically 800KB/sec -> 2MB/sec. Read rate is not > > really the issue. Reading flash memory is pretty damn quick and > > in Repeater accounts for a fairly small proportion of the time > > consumed at the CFC interface. > > > > Write rate. Quoted (ahem!) 500KB/sec -> 1.5MB/sec. However > > this is the long-term sustained rate, and depending on the card > > manufacturer, the data caching algorithms they use, and a whole > > load of other variables the short-term variance in write operation > > latency can be huge. I know - I have pored over the logic analyser > > and scope traces looking into this phenomenon until I went bug > > eyed [still in recovery...]. > > > > CFC cards do some pretty nifty footwork under the hood to manage > > the storage medium - including error recovery, bad sector > > remapping, wear levelling etc... Also, writing is a cached > > mechanism and there are additional time effects due to the caching > > scheme used, the pattern of writes to the card and the amount of > > cache available. > > > > The result of all of this is that an apparently fast card may > > occasionally (or in the case of one card we tested, very often...) > > take a long time to complete a write operation. Hit a few of these > > long write operations in a row and all of a sudden Repeater will > > have run out of write buffer space and will inform you that there is > > an issue here... > > > > Most cards will handle the 'sequential' writing of mono operation > > with no problems. Stereo operation is where most problems lie. > > The pattern of writes to two .wav files can fight with the CFC > > caching scheme and cause the card performance to be somewhat > > less than desirable. > > > > So - that is the low down. > > --- > > > > My advice is to read the specs (the faster card manufacturers will > > quote them with pride. The slower card manufacturers will quote > > them under a subtle disguise to make you think they are better > > than they are...). Take all specs with a healthy dose of reserve. > > > > Then, if you can test a card before you buy, do. We are providing > > information on cards we have thoroughly tested and are happy with > > to help with purchase decisions. > > > > The Simple Technologies cards deliver. DaneElec also are just > > dandy. This does not imply that other cards out there will not > > also do just fine, but it provides a starting point. I hope that with > > experience that this forum will provide more information about > > good card choices for use with Repeater. We will also update > > the information on the web site as more experience and test > > results become available. > > > > Please consult the website and feel free to post questions > > for us folks about CFC cards. We will be happy to occasionally > > break the lurking mode and provide what information we can. > > > > Cheers, and I hope you folks have a *lot* of fun... > > > > Don Goodeve > > > > (of Rik Elswit's 'Don and the Maniacs' fame... I kind of like that > > one...) > > > > ps. CFC technology is moving *damn* quick these days, and the > > speed of cards will become less of an issue as time goes on. With > > Repeater we had to design towards where we expected CFC > > technology to be, and fortunately our Crystal Ball did a pretty good > > job. > > > > Respect, > > > > Damon Langlois > > Creative Director > > Electrix > > Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 > > http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 20:12:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06995; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:10:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:10:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8AE1A6.7409990E@pathcom.com> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:11:19 -0400 From: hutton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater and the CFC References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It just will not format. rich wrote: > >because the card is keyed and is > >only supposed to go in one way. However, we do know that some Repeaters will > >accept the card upside down (I guess the key isn't very positive). > > Damon, > > what happens if the card gets inserted the 'wrong' way? will it be > able to be ejected? will it damage the Repeater and/or the CFC card? > > rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 20:13:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07360; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:12:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:12:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010827170900.020a25e8@mail.mindspring.com> X-Files: The truth is out there. Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 17:10:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Subject: Re: Repeater and the CFC In-Reply-To: <3B8AE046.FD6EFAE8@pathcom.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <3-nZXB.A.hxB.ZHui7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Damon, Any possibility the sticker can be peeled off the bad side and stuck to the good side? Maybe you can get hutton an RMA# so that this repair can be made? At 08:05 PM 2001/08/27 -0400, hutton wrote: >So what I am to understand is you are not going to do the right thing and >provide me with a proper CFC? ......... Your problems and my money are two >different issues sir. One excuse here, when is the next one ...... Calling me >confused does not clarify the post and you know that! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 20:14:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07234; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:11:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:11:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB785@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Repeater and the CFC Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:10:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C12F55.D078D530" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12F55.D078D530 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" i think you guys should talk about it on the phone ratehr than let e-mail and attendant miscommunication get the better of you. also, off list could be nice . . . s -----Original Message----- From: hutton [mailto:hutton@pathcom.com] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 5:05 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater and the CFC So what I am to understand is you are not going to do the right thing and provide me with a proper CFC? ......... Your problems and my money are two different issues sir. One excuse here, when is the next one ...... Calling me confused does not clarify the post and you know that! "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" wrote: > Hey Chris, > I didn't sight you in my email to embarrass you. I wanted to clarify your > post. The sticker was placed on the wrong side of the card and the manual > shows it being inserted with that side facing up. So I know there are going > to be other people calling us with there cards upside down-our fault. We > don't explain in the manual about the lip because the card is keyed and is > only supposed to go in one way. However, we do know that some Repeaters will > accept the card upside down (I guess the key isn't very positive). I regret > we gave you a crappy experience by putting the sticker on the wrong side but > this kind of thing happens when production first begins ramping up. > > Respect, > > Damon Langlois > Creative Director > Electrix > Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 > http://www.electrixpro.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12F55.D078D530 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Repeater and the CFC

i think you guys should talk about it on the phone = ratehr than let e-mail and attendant miscommunication get the better of = you. also, off list could be nice . . .

s

-----Original Message-----
From: hutton [mailto:hutton@pathcom.com]=
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 5:05 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Repeater and the CFC


So what I am to understand is you are not going to do = the right thing and
provide me with a proper CFC? ......... Your = problems and my money are two
different issues sir. One excuse here, when is the = next one ...... Calling me
confused does not clarify the post and you know = that!

"Damon Langlois (Electrix)" wrote:

> Hey Chris,
> I didn't sight you in my email to embarrass = you. I wanted to clarify your
> post. The sticker was placed on the wrong side = of the card and the manual
> shows it being inserted with that side facing = up. So I know there are going
> to be other people calling us with there cards = upside down-our fault. We
> don't explain in the manual about the lip = because the card is keyed and is
> only supposed to go in one way. However, we do = know that some Repeaters will
> accept the card upside down (I guess the key = isn't very positive). I regret
> we gave you a crappy experience by putting the = sticker on the wrong side but
> this kind of thing happens when production = first begins ramping up.
>
> Respect,
>
> Damon Langlois
> Creative Director
> Electrix
> Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100
> http://www.electrixpro.com

------_=_NextPart_001_01C12F55.D078D530-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 20:21:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08238; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:19:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:19:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010827170943.00b00568@mulder.intermag.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.midiwall.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 17:18:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Repeater and the CFC In-Reply-To: <3B8AE13B.BD390470@pathcom.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hutton (05:09 PM 08.27.2001) wrote: >"Damon Langlois (Electrix)" wrote: > >> http://www.simpletech.com/wtb/wtb_irt.htm > >Try This and see what happens! And there's a link on the left panel for US Retailers and US Distributors. Damon's sitting in Canada, of course he's going to default to pointing you to the international list; Indonesia is also on that page... How does he know where you are? If someone from a .com account asked me for a retailer suggestion for, say, a CDRW, I would probably point them to buy.com, or DCDrives.com, or any number of US based companies. How would I know that the person might be from Germany, the UK, Canada??? Even looking up the domain doesn't guarantee that the user is from the country where the ISP is. I thought at first that you were trying to tease Damon, but obviously you're really upset about a label being on the wrong side of a CompactFlash card. There's nothing physically or electrically wrong with the card, correct? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 20:25:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09921; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:24:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:24:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Here we go, Repeater on Ebay Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:21:27 -0500 Message-ID: <01c12f5f$c280bce0$6c6a580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Most definitely not mine! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1268361084 (in my imagination fer now): then the super low price, the rumours of the company going under, then the price on EBay goes up, someone makes some weird mod and that becomes hot, fast forward X years, prices on EBay drop off after company stops making product, then go back up after someone realizes that these were the "best" looper ever made,... and the loop went on and on... PedrOOrdeP (evidently with time on his hands to put in these many posts in one day) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 21:54:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16628; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:51:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:51:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Re: Repeater and the CFC To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.6 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:55:06 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010827170900.020a25e8@mail.mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you need to chill out and rip that sticker off and get a big fucking magic marker and right THIS IS THE TRUE PROPER SIDE on the card- > At 08:05 PM 2001/08/27 -0400, hutton wrote: > >So what I am to understand is you are not going to do > the right thing and > >provide me with a proper CFC? ......... Your problems > and my money are two > >different issues sir. One excuse here, when is the next > one ...... Calling me > >confused does not clarify the post and you know that! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 23:38:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28977; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 23:36:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 23:36:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010827213536.0082fab0@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:35:36 -0600 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Question about Zoom 508 or 509 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All, a few days ago someone posted a message here about either the Zoom 508 or 509, having two independant loopers in it. I think they were about 5 secs each. I'm not clear as to which one does this, as both were mentioned in the post. Can someone shed some light? Smiles, G-Girl --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 23:41:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29169; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 23:39:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 23:39:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.34.86.175] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Yet another MIDI controller (for Repeater or whatever) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 23:38:10 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Aug 2001 03:38:10.0589 (UTC) FILETIME=[DBF15CD0:01C12F72] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Folks, Hurry and reserve yet another product that's "coming soon". Put your deposit down today! :) Seriously, it looks like a reincarnation of the Buchla Thunder. http://namm.harmony-central.com/Musikmesse01/Content/Midiman/PR/Surface-One.html Paolo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 00:22:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA03046; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 00:19:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 00:19:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 00:19:29 -0400 Subject: Re: EDP Input Level/distortion problems. Old story... From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010826130442.0452faa0@loopers-delight.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Okay, so I'm really embarrassed. No doubt about that. I won't hesitate to ask if there's anyone on the list, or a recommendation of yours, kim, to do the mod for me. Sadly, you don't wanna let me near a doorknob with a screwdriver, let alone a soldering iron... Thanks, todd Okay, now I'm really embarrassed, can we start a looper's delight therapy list? Best, Todd On 8/26/01 4:22 PM, "Kim Flint" wrote: > At 09:34 AM 8/26/2001, todd reynolds wrote: >> Remember that old thread about distortion issues with the edp? Well, I'm >> embarrassed to admit I've always had that problem, and have never addressed >> it. I have what I think is a pretty old one. And ever since I received >> it, used, I've never been able to play the damn thing without clipping. No >> amount of adjustment on input gain seems to work, no matter what the path >> is, (currently I'm sending from a aux send of a mackie and returning to a >> regular channel). If it's too low, there's not enough output. So I'm fed >> up, and it's time to change those resistors, or get some mods or whatever >> I'm missing. > > the mod to fix that has been recommended for about five years now Todd, > that's a lot of procrastinating! :-) It is easy to do if you know how to > solder (or know somebody who knows how). It just requires changing two > resistor values. It's explained in the Echoplex FAQ at Looper's Delight: > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ6.html#Anchor-47383 > > so people aren't not confused, this problem was fixed in production > echoplexes as of late 1997. > > >> I only have >> an old email address from this list for shane radke, so I could use an >> updated contact, or any other advice you all might have. Thanks in >> advance... > > That info is on the Echoplex page of looper's delight, there is a little > section there for phone and email contacts at Gibson. > http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html Shane is > sradtke@gibson.com. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 00:25:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA03312; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 00:21:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 00:21:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 00:21:38 -0400 Subject: Re: EDP Input Level/distortion problems. Old story... From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010826130442.0452faa0@loopers-delight.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I meant anyone in NEW YORK CITY!!! (I'm gonna get booted OFF this list soon. Have pity) Todd On 8/26/01 4:22 PM, "Kim Flint" wrote: > At 09:34 AM 8/26/2001, todd reynolds wrote: >> Remember that old thread about distortion issues with the edp? Well, I'm >> embarrassed to admit I've always had that problem, and have never addressed >> it. I have what I think is a pretty old one. And ever since I received >> it, used, I've never been able to play the damn thing without clipping. No >> amount of adjustment on input gain seems to work, no matter what the path >> is, (currently I'm sending from a aux send of a mackie and returning to a >> regular channel). If it's too low, there's not enough output. So I'm fed >> up, and it's time to change those resistors, or get some mods or whatever >> I'm missing. > > the mod to fix that has been recommended for about five years now Todd, > that's a lot of procrastinating! :-) It is easy to do if you know how to > solder (or know somebody who knows how). It just requires changing two > resistor values. It's explained in the Echoplex FAQ at Looper's Delight: > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ6.html#Anchor-47383 > > so people aren't not confused, this problem was fixed in production > echoplexes as of late 1997. > > >> I only have >> an old email address from this list for shane radke, so I could use an >> updated contact, or any other advice you all might have. Thanks in >> advance... > > That info is on the Echoplex page of looper's delight, there is a little > section there for phone and email contacts at Gibson. > http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html Shane is > sradtke@gibson.com. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 00:43:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA06649; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 00:40:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 00:40:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 00:40:19 -0400 Subject: Terry Riley, IN C , another recording... From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <71lkuD.A.umB.4Cyi7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cantaloupe Records has just released another recording of In C, available in stores on September 1st, being sold online currently at their site, which is pretty smokin' anyway... http://www.cantaloupemusic.com/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 01:19:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA12889; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 01:17:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 01:17:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 01:16:43 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Terry Riley, IN C , another recording... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Cantaloupe Records has just released another recording of In C, available in >stores on September 1st, being sold online currently at their site, which is >pretty smokin' anyway... > >http://www.cantaloupemusic.com/index.html gah, I already have THREE recordings of this. Or four! Riley wrote SO many other pieces of music, why can't we get some of them! /t .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 01:31:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA13458; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 01:28:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 01:28:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004c01c12f82$750377a0$75f638cb@p> From: "Steven" To: References: Subject: Re: Line 6 crunchy digital yukiness Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 15:29:40 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sell it and buy a real all valve amp. Steven ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher White" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 3:22 AM Subject: Line 6 crunchy digital yukiness > hey kids can someone tell me how i might control the > crunchiness overload i get sometimes when running a hot > signal through my line 6-it makes me very sad and sometimes > i cry a little at night when no one is about- > c > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 01:46:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA14261; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 01:44:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 01:44:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 01:33:59 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: Terry Riley, IN C , another recording... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <7M9gxB.A.QeD.H-yi7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:16 AM -0400 8/28/01, Tom Ritchford wrote: >>Cantaloupe Records has just released another recording of In C, available in >>stores on September 1st, being sold online currently at their site, which is >>pretty smokin' anyway... >> >>http://www.cantaloupemusic.com/index.html > >gah, I already have THREE recordings of this. Or four! > >Riley wrote SO many other pieces of music, why can't >we get some of them! Lots of his stuff is in print. Essential is Poppy Nogood and the All Night Band on Organ of Corti. Early looping. > > /t > > >.........a new fortune every minute. >..................Forteans of New York. I'm an In C completist. Thanks for the tip. Anyone know where you can get the one on the Italian label. -- "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world. The unreasonable man persists in adapting the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 02:19:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA16639; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 02:16:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 02:16:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ef01c12f89$16ef6fa0$7942f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200108272017.QAA17337@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: re: ARTIFACTS.........the thread Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 23:17:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dave wrote: "....one of the understandings I've had with the musicians I work with is that I get free use of whatever I record to use as samples in my own work......... For me, when I build a moody ambient piece from a slowed-down slide guitar solo from a locally-produced children's music CD, I KNOW no one else is using that sample....." Cool Dave, I have the same understanding with my production clients. I always assure them that I will only use fragments and that they won't even be able to recognize the samples when I'm done.......On the current CD that I am composing/recording I have a really cool ultra-minimalistic track using three triplet figures from a Celtic Harp/Electronica project that I have been working on for a client (Bruce Abraham). Because the samples are close to the same length and are all evenly played three note figures, they cycle in and out of rhtymic 'phase', as it were. I love listening to the syncopations that the mind is fooled into creating and the fact that they keep disappearing and morphing. yours, Loop.pooL (Rick) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 03:00:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA18611; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 02:57:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 02:57:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.181.90.28] Reply-To: "Greg S" From: "Greg S" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Repeater issue: noisy CFC card? (and more...) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 23:57:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Aug 2001 06:56:44.0146 (UTC) FILETIME=[98F9E520:01C12F8E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Repeater arrived today and I'm liking it a great deal. However I've noticed that loops played from the CFC card have a bit of "chirping" in the right channel. Sounds almost mechanical (but with no moving parts, it surely isn't). When I copy the loop from the CFC card to memory, the loop plays cleanly -- that is no chirping, so it's obviously not part of the loop recording, but an issue of playing the loop from the CFC. Has anyone else experienced this? I do have one of those fancy "collectors" edition CFC's with the label on the wrong side. Could that be the issue? I'm hesitant to move the label for fear of affecting potential resale value of this limited edition card in the future... (that last sentence is a joke). As for the Feedback thread: It does seem that feedback on the Repeater is at 100% during playback. User defined feedback settings of 0 - 100% are only applied during overdub and record modes -- and only on the 1 or 2 tracks that are recording. This is a minor* drawback as I routinely use feedback levels < 90% on the EDP during normal playback. Perhaps this can be addressed in a future software update. * I say "minor" drawback because there are so many other cool things the Repeater seems capable of (multi-track and stereo looping alone make up for this limitation). Worst case scenario, one could always put the Repeater in an effects loop and prefix it with a volume pedal or bypass switch, then simply leave it in Record mode without feeding it any new signal. Of course, if you have 4 tracks in a loop, only 1 or 2 will fade with this method (which could also be a *feature*). And there's alway the MIDI control options.... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 03:12:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA20361; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 03:09:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 03:09:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: faisalmoro@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:12:41 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: faisal moro Subject: Repeater question: dry/wet mix option avaliable? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all! I just joined the list, so forgive me if this question has been already posted and discussed. I just had a glance at the repeater features, and i've noticed that there isn't a dry/wet mix control in the front panel, and the manual says to eventually turn the effect mix of the amp fx loop all the way wet. This could be a problem in systems (as mine), where you need to run the dry and wet signals in different paths. So, the question is: is there a way to mute the dry signal via software? TIA Doei Faisal -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 06:07:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA29877; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 05:44:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 05:44:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: Repeater and EDP (d/t) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 02:29:59 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I must be really lucky! I have a Repeater and an EDP! And... I have one of the Repeaters with the upside down CFC card... ok, if I ever sell it, you guys are witnesses... it's one of the first 100! (Gosh, I had no idea Alto Music was so high on the food chain!) Anyway, after a little experimentation, I'm just wondering, d/t, surely you have the EDP in the signal chain after the Repeater right? That's the way that offers the most possibilities, or at least, so it seems to me. If you're doing something different, then we definitely all need to know what it is! Kevin P.S. To my compadre, who also got one of the first 100... lighten up! Pop the card out and flip it over. Relax. Have fun. Enjoy life. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 06:09:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA29975; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 05:47:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 05:47:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: Repeater - First Impressions Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 02:33:46 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <4VfN7D.A.xKH.FW2i7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, well, I know this won't be all that satisfying to many of you... but, nonetheless, here goes... As I write, I have a loop playing in the bedroom (time to wake the frickin' neighbors)... it's on the EDP now, but it started on the Repeater... 1) The product works... or, at least, as far as I've pushed it in day one... 2) The capability to have 4 tracks is very cool... more so than I thought it would be... it allows you to mix and adjust volume levels easily (and before sending to the EDP)... 3) LPA is cool... 4) Beat detection is cool too... OK, so, so far, Repeater is cool... but, granted, I haven't pushed it *real* hard yet... I'm still looking for those bugs that must be there... but so far... all I've had is fun... in fact, I've had to so much fun today and tonite that it's already justified it's purchase price... this is a worthwhile product for the looper community... and, as d/t has said, with the EDP too, pretty much gives you all you need. (OK, d/t didn't say exactly that, but I am). Back to the looping, Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 06:20:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA30325; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 05:58:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 05:58:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8B8241.6DA5D6E8@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:36:33 +0000 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Another Repeater MIDI Controller >bof< References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9nNqTD.A.ITH.yf2i7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kevin Mulvihill wrote: > > Diligent readers of the list know that d/t is using a Peavey PC1600x to > control his Repeater (and likely other nifty stuff as well). I'm in the > market for something to control the Repeater as well as my Kurzweil K2600RS > rack mount synth. Just today there was another post on the Kurzweil list > about this controller: the Bitstream Pro from Wave Idea > (http://www.waveidea.com/english/index.htm). This actually looks to be a > more fully featured controller than the Peavey - it is fully programmable > and has 35 knobs, 8 sliders, 8 switches, 3 built-in user setups, assignable > crossfaders, backlit LCD - heck, it's even got a built-in programmable LFO! > Delivered with Windows 9x/2K configuration software, any MIDI event or > message can be assigned to each potentiometer, switch, and LFO. As soon as > the unit has been configured, the controller can be used in standalone mode > without the PC. > > Looks great, but I'm wondering... has anyone ever heard of this box? Anyone > used one or have any comments on it? > > Thanks, > Kevin looks great untill you understand you only have 3 presets to play with very short for the price the concept is brilliant though (lfo) pc1600x has 50 pages/presets (16 faders 16 buttons) 100 scenes (snapshoots) master fader groups ext CV ped to assign to any fader/group etc... pc editors and I think its cheaper Stop Back to work Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 07:02:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA00506; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 06:41:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 06:41:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8B72B6.C856BA93@altruistmusic.com> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 03:30:15 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater - First Impressions References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kevin Mulvihill wrote: > 3) LPA is cool... What's LPA? Inquiring minds wanna know... --A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 07:05:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA00616; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 06:44:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 06:44:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8B7269.B6B47C7@altruistmusic.com> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 03:28:57 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater and EDP (d/t) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <89Qi9C.A.n5H.4K3i7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Pardon my non-dt commentary... > Anyway, after a little experimentation, I'm just wondering, d/t, surely you > have the EDP in the signal chain after the Repeater right? That's the way > that offers the most possibilities, or at least, so it seems to me. Really?! I don't have a repeater, but my presumption is that the natural signal chain would be to have the EDP BEFORE the Repeater. Why? Repeater works in stereo, with different pan and output for each individual track. If you send that into an EDP, everything gets summed to mono and output as the same, and the possibilities for discrete signal routing are lost. The whole issue of simultaneous, discreet loops, with individual editing tweakability, seems to be at the core of the Repeater's design "identity," just as I would suggest that the idea of editing/cutting-and-pasting a loop "cycle" is one of the signature traits of an EDP. It would seem to me that running the Repeater into a mono in/out unit (such as an EDP) would be sacrificing a lot of its strong points... but of course that's just hypothetical speculation on my part. I do seem to recall Mr. Torn saying that his EDP was indeed before the Repeater, but I'll certainly defer to the man himself on that one. It is really interesting to see that the emerging consensus is largely of the Repeater as an alternate looper with a new and different design slant, as opposed to something that utterly and completely supplants the previously existing units. Considering that the EDP dates back seven years or so, that's saying a lot... Anyway. --A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 08:12:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA03852; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 07:50:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 07:50:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: continous control pedals Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 06:38:59 -0500 Message-ID: <006f01c12fb6$07332430$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <018101c12f31$e7f6d1e0$7e87abd4@LucaFormentini> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What are Bespeco? Thanks, Steve > > > Just a note regarding pedals: > if you are not conecting them to a device which has the > chance to calibrate them, the resistor value has to be of > 100Kohms. Usually it is of 10 Kohms. In my experience the > cost of Boss' Ev5 isn't justified, truy Bespeco or whatever, > they are waaay cheper... luca > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 08:35:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA05928; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 08:13:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 08:13:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010828075550.007dd060@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 07:55:50 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Line 6 crunchy digital yukiness In-Reply-To: <004c01c12f82$750377a0$75f638cb@p> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone know the sampling rate on a '58 Bassman? Or how much loop time there is on an AC30? :-) I believe Mr. White was referring to his DL4, not a modeling amp. -t At 03:29 PM 8/28/01 +1000, you wrote: >Sell it and buy a real all valve amp. >Steven From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 08:37:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA06250; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 08:19:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 08:19:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater and EDP (d/t) Message-ID: <999000542.3b8b89de1cdb0@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 08:09:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Williamson References: <3B8B7269.B6B47C7@altruistmusic.com> In-Reply-To: <3B8B7269.B6B47C7@altruistmusic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.5 X-Originating-IP: 216.166.195.90 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com why is there a question of wether it's before or after, when i would assume (or that is, in the way that i use my multi-looper setup) that they would be run into separate channels and busses of a mixer? i recall a '94 issue of guitar player which showed him using a mixer for his signal routings and whatnot. of course, it's all a matter of opinion. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 08:41:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA06239; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 08:18:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 08:18:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4 crunchy digital yukiness To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.6 Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 08:09:25 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004c01c12f82$750377a0$75f638cb@p> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <2F6ZQB.A.WXB.0j4i7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hahaha i meant my line 6 delay :P On Tue, 28 Aug 2001 15:29:40 +1000 "Steven" wrote: > Sell it and buy a real all valve amp. > Steven > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christopher White" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 3:22 AM > Subject: Line 6 crunchy digital yukiness > > > > hey kids can someone tell me how i might control the > > crunchiness overload i get sometimes when running a hot > > signal through my line 6-it makes me very sad and > sometimes > > i cry a little at night when no one is about- > > c > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 08:58:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA07035; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 08:36:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 08:36:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Wjguitar@aol.com Message-ID: <26.1a7030a8.28bce7c8@aol.com> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 08:25:44 EDT Subject: Re: Repeater vs. RC-20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_26.1a7030a8.28bce7c8_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10535 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_26.1a7030a8.28bce7c8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What are your thoughts on the RC-20 Boss Loop Station? How does it compare to the Repeater? WWJ --part1_26.1a7030a8.28bce7c8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What are your thoughts on the RC-20 Boss Loop Station? How does it compare to
the Repeater?

WWJ --part1_26.1a7030a8.28bce7c8_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 09:03:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA07259; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 08:40:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 08:40:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010828082335.007dc0b0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 08:23:35 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: continous control pedals In-Reply-To: <006f01c12fb6$07332430$6501a8c0@stevespc> References: <018101c12f31$e7f6d1e0$7e87abd4@LucaFormentini> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:38 AM 8/28/01 -0500, you wrote: >What are Bespeco? Bespeco is an Italian manufacturer of musical accessories. I haven't tried their cc pedals, but I can vouch for their volume pedals. They're very similar to the Boss FV50 in size, construction and appearance, and cost _much_ less. (My Bespecos are mono, though, but I think they also make a stereo version.) The quality is quite good for the price; graphite pots and nice, smooth action. The pedal is plastic, but so is the Boss; I've been using my FV50 for 14 years with no problems. I put a Bespeco VM12 next to it about a year and a half ago and it's been fine so far, and I just added another Bespeco last week. (They control pedalboard output volume, microphone effects volume and aux 1 looper input volume respectively...) -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 10:03:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11655; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:45:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:45:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003d01c12fc5$e8a3db80$93534f40@makata> From: "Mark Kata" To: Subject: RD: Digitech RDS-3600 Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:32:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My RDS-3600 has a three-position toggle switch on the back. It lets you change the maximum delay time from 1.8 seconds to 3.6 seconds to 7.2 seconds. When a sound is looping, it can instantly transpose it by an octave. The maximum time at the 7.2 second setting is kind of funny. The longest delay time that ever appeared on the display was 8.444 seconds. However, sometimes it is as low as 6.xxx seconds. The bottom line is that the knobs, buttons and switches make the RDS-3600 a highly interactive and intuitive piece of gear. The low price is just icing on the cake. MK From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 10:07:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11622; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:45:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:45:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Subject: RE: continous control pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:32:57 -0400 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 08/28/2001 09:33:18 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <4ieSQC.A.spC.e25i7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <>> Judging from their product names, which are the same (16L, etc.) I'm assuming these pedals are also sold under the name Proel...? Like, at AMS? David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 10:37:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14678; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:20:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:20:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: From: "p koniuto" Subject: --OT: in praise of Zvonar's "Frikkit" Message-Id: <280801240.25793@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 07:09:59 -0700 Resent-Message-ID: <2ueWSC.A.WcD.3Y6i7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loopers: Caught the Ought-One music festival this past weekend. Lots of great things going on, although i didn't notice any overt use of *real-time* looping in any of the concerts i heard/saw. (I did spy a jamman, though, so perhaps i missed that performance.) I must say one of the highlights of the weekend for both me and my partner was taking in list member Richard Zvonar's octophonic piece for tape, "Frikkit". There was a room separate from the performance areas called the Dream Room set up for the a series of about 10 or 12 different installations. One never knew when you walked in which would be playing. But on my fourth venture, Richard was in there with perhaps a couple other people, listening attentively to someone else's work. When that piece was over i requested he put his piece on, and he was very kind and generous to give a little introduction (i believe there may be similar info in a post of his in the archives, so i won't go into it here). The piece was stunning. It was one of the only 8-channel pieces at the festival, and i was knocked out with how beautifully thought out this composition was. All comprised of frog and cricket sounds (and a little ambience he used at the right moments), Doc Zvonar created a musical experience unlike any other i've ever had. He's clearly an experienced multi-channel composer with a great sense of dynamics, pacing, and rhythm. This is a must-hear if it ever makes another public appearance. Richard, do post the list if it does! Since there weren't a lot of folks waiting around for the next piece to be played as soon as Frikkit was over, we were afforded some time for a little question/answer session. Doc Zvonar was very patient to answer the questions about how he arranged the piece, how he treated the original samples, etc, and shared some thoughts he had while composing it, as well as an anecdote or two. It's great to hear other list members' work (whether or not it directly involves looping). I hope other folks (Tim from NH?) got to hear this piece. Zvonar does dynamite work...if ya ever get a chance to check out something he's done, go for it. (I picked up a copy of Alias Zone at the festival, too, but haven't had a chance to hear it yet. I belive it's gotten good reviews on this list, if memory serves.) See ya, peter koniuto From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 10:41:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14608; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:19:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:19:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:07:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200108281407.KAA20873@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: Terry Riley, IN C , another recording... X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 66.9.67.98 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dr T wrote: > Tom Ritchford wrote: > >gah, I already have THREE recordings of this. Or four! > > > >Riley wrote SO many other pieces of music, why can't > >we get some of them! > > Lots of his stuff is in print. Essential is Poppy Nogood and the All > Night Band on Organ of Corti. Early looping. Oh, yes, I've been getting those Organ of Corti releases "the moment" they come out. There's a particularly interesting rock-flavoured version of In C on one of them. I have a very depressing version of In C played in China where the orchestra is very enthusiastic though a bit clumsy -- however, the liner notes then tell you that they were all rounded up and disappeared afterwards, very very sad. /t -- I am the wombat. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 10:56:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15540; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:34:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:34:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8BA888.AEB05489@club-internet.fr> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 16:19:52 +0200 From: Emmanuel PERILLE X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [fr] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: CYCLOOPS djstore review Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <06184D.A.KlD.fi6i7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Kim ! Here is another review on Redsound Cycloops DJ looper http://www.djstore.co.uk/reviews/redsound_cycloops_review.htm Thanks, Emmanuel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 10:59:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15595; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:36:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:36:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Re: Repeater and EDP (d/t) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.6 Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:27:17 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3B8B7269.B6B47C7@altruistmusic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i believe the repeater will be my main love when i finally get one into my grubbie hands- i am using 2 dl4s on my aux sends at the moment-which can be good and bad- i do tend to overload the dl4 input way to often-repeater come to me! c On Tue, 28 Aug 2001 03:28:57 -0700 Andre LaFosse wrote: > Pardon my non-dt commentary... > > > Anyway, after a little experimentation, I'm just > wondering, d/t, surely you > > have the EDP in the signal chain after the Repeater > right? That's the way > > that offers the most possibilities, or at least, so it > seems to me. > > Really?! > > I don't have a repeater, but my presumption is that the > natural signal > chain would be to have the EDP BEFORE the Repeater. Why? > > Repeater works in stereo, with different pan and output > for each > individual track. If you send that into an EDP, > everything gets summed > to mono and output as the same, and the possibilities for > discrete > signal routing are lost. > > The whole issue of simultaneous, discreet loops, with > individual editing > tweakability, seems to be at the core of the Repeater's > design > "identity," just as I would suggest that the idea of > editing/cutting-and-pasting a loop "cycle" is one of the > signature > traits of an EDP. It would seem to me that running the > Repeater into a > mono in/out unit (such as an EDP) would be sacrificing a > lot of its > strong points... but of course that's just hypothetical > speculation on > my part. > > I do seem to recall Mr. Torn saying that his EDP was > indeed before the > Repeater, but I'll certainly defer to the man himself on > that one. > > It is really interesting to see that the emerging > consensus is largely > of the Repeater as an alternate looper with a new and > different design > slant, as opposed to something that utterly and > completely supplants the > previously existing units. Considering that the EDP > dates back seven > years or so, that's saying a lot... > > Anyway. > > --A > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 11:06:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16224; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:45:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:45:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200108271653.MAA29023@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200108271653.MAA29023@hemlock.violacea.com> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:32:26 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: Loop Recording: need advice Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Help-i've been having fun playing loops w/ my DOD D-12 and want to start recording them etc. the Tascam Porta 05 that i got from a friend was DOA and i've been debating whether to get: Tascam Porta 02 or Fostex x12 could anyone help recommend which is better/easier for entry level 4 track recording. responses can be sent to me directly if you want thanks, scott scott-a-hansen@uiowa.edu ps-Kim-love your sight and have enjoyed researching all the cool/ fun techie gear over the last few months as i've dived (or slowly waddled) into looping... -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 11:43:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18959; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:19:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:19:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <14f.a3d5d.28bd0d97@aol.com> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:07:03 EDT Subject: Re: EDP Input Level/distortion problems. Old story... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_14f.a3d5d.28bd0d97_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_14f.a3d5d.28bd0d97_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/28/01 12:20:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, toddreynolds@rcn.com writes: > can we start a looper's delight therapy > list? > ok todd.....relax.....if you could be any type of tree, what would you be?.....:)m --part1_14f.a3d5d.28bd0d97_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/28/01 12:20:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
toddreynolds@rcn.com writes:


can we start a looper's delight therapy
list?


ok todd.....relax.....if you could be any type of tree, what would you
be?.....:)m --part1_14f.a3d5d.28bd0d97_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 12:00:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19877; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:39:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:39:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010828075550.007dd060@pop.ici.net> References: <3.0.5.32.20010828075550.007dd060@pop.ici.net> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 08:04:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Line 6 crunchy digital yukiness Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com has anyone tried using an ebtech line level shifter with the DL4? >Anyone know the sampling rate on a '58 Bassman? Or how much loop time there >is on an AC30? :-) > >I believe Mr. White was referring to his DL4, not a modeling amp. > >-t > >At 03:29 PM 8/28/01 +1000, you wrote: >>Sell it and buy a real all valve amp. >>Steven From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 12:10:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20310; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:48:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:48:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.102.206] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop Recording: need advice Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:34:05 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Aug 2001 15:34:05.0866 (UTC) FILETIME=[DF4878A0:01C12FD6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you have your own PC, just get Cool Edit Pro (it has an excellent Multi Track Recorder, with 256 Virtual Tracks). It doesn't use up a lot of resources, plus it's cheaper than a 4 track (well a really good one that is), and once you mixed the .wav's or .mp3's down you can burn them to your CD burner... all that in one unit !!!! Lucien E. Darthard A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It. http://go.to/ldarthard/ ----Original Message Follows---- From: Scott Hansen Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Loop Recording: need advice Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:32:26 -0500 Help-i've been having fun playing loops w/ my DOD D-12 and want to start recording them etc. the Tascam Porta 05 that i got from a friend was DOA and i've been debating whether to get: Tascam Porta 02 or Fostex x12 could anyone help recommend which is better/easier for entry level 4 track recording. responses can be sent to me directly if you want thanks, scott scott-a-hansen@uiowa.edu ps-Kim-love your sight and have enjoyed researching all the cool/ fun techie gear over the last few months as i've dived (or slowly waddled) into looping... -- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 12:19:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20756; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:56:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:56:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c12fea$315b3c00$23709818@default> From: "Daniel" To: , , "Matt Dunphy" , "j_laso" , =?iso-8859-1?Q?Rodrigo_S=E1ez?= , Cc: , "felipe" , "Emily B." Subject: 1st remix posted Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:52:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C12FB7.E6008940" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C12FB7.E6008940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've put up the first remix by dj devious. I'm waiting for your = submissions. http://www.radiowebring.tvheaven.com/radiowebring.html ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C12FB7.E6008940 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've put up the first remix by dj devious. I'm = waiting for=20 your submissions.
 
http://ww= w.radiowebring.tvheaven.com/radiowebring.html
 
------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C12FB7.E6008940-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 12:21:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21505; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:59:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:59:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8BBC82.B8BBC1C8@pa.msu.edu> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:45:06 -0400 From: John McIntyre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EH 16 sec. question References: <01c12f59$bd946b60$6c6a580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Pedro Felix wrote: > Hello all: > > Anyone know what the sampling rate of the EH 16 sec. pedal of the early > 1980's? > > Anyone have a manual they'd be willing to share? I don't think there was a manual. It's pretty basic. I'll try to answer any questions. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 12:57:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24357; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:38:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:38:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01c12fdd$797fc8a0$6b44230a@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <3B8B8241.6DA5D6E8@vtx.ch> Subject: Re: Another Repeater MIDI Controller >bof< Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:21:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <9x1YXD.A.h1F.7Z8i7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The other drawback for me is that the pots are linear, and I've found that relative pots are more intuitive for editing, but that's just me. Having both linear (faders) and relative pot controls would suit me best. Harrmph, ;-) Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claude Voit" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 7:36 AM Subject: Re: Another Repeater MIDI Controller >bof< > Kevin Mulvihill wrote: > > > > Diligent readers of the list know that d/t is using a Peavey PC1600x to > > control his Repeater (and likely other nifty stuff as well). I'm in the > > market for something to control the Repeater as well as my Kurzweil K2600RS > > rack mount synth. Just today there was another post on the Kurzweil list > > about this controller: the Bitstream Pro from Wave Idea > > (http://www.waveidea.com/english/index.htm). This actually looks to be a > > more fully featured controller than the Peavey - it is fully programmable > > and has 35 knobs, 8 sliders, 8 switches, 3 built-in user setups, assignable > > crossfaders, backlit LCD - heck, it's even got a built-in programmable LFO! > > Delivered with Windows 9x/2K configuration software, any MIDI event or > > message can be assigned to each potentiometer, switch, and LFO. As soon as > > the unit has been configured, the controller can be used in standalone mode > > without the PC. > > > > Looks great, but I'm wondering... has anyone ever heard of this box? Anyone > > used one or have any comments on it? > > > > Thanks, > > Kevin > > looks great untill you understand you only have 3 presets to play with > very short for the price > the concept is brilliant though (lfo) > pc1600x has 50 pages/presets (16 faders 16 buttons) > 100 scenes (snapshoots) > master fader groups ext CV ped to assign to any fader/group > etc... > pc editors > and I think its cheaper > > Stop > > Back to work > > Claude > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 13:00:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24364; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:38:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:38:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01f201c12fdd$5a6179a0$642fd9c8@r5f3d1> From: "IG2" To: References: <280801240.25793@webbox.com> Subject: Re: in praise of Zvonar's "Frikkit" Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:16:19 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01C7_01C12FC3.A0515EE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01C7_01C12FC3.A0515EE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable sera que le gusta a daniella mercury ? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: p koniuto=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 11:09 AM Subject: --OT: in praise of Zvonar's "Frikkit" Loopers: Caught the Ought-One music festival this past weekend. Lots of great things going on, although i didn't notice any overt use of *real-time* looping in any of the concerts i heard/saw. (I did spy a jamman, though, so perhaps i missed that performance.) I must say one of the highlights of the=20 weekend for both me and my partner was taking in list member Richard Zvonar's octophonic=20 piece for tape, "Frikkit". There was a room separate from the performance areas called the Dream Room set up for the a series of about 10 or 12 different installations. One never knew when you walked in which would be playing. But on my fourth venture, Richard was in there with perhaps a couple other people, listening attentively to someone else's work. When that piece was over i requested he put his piece on, and he was very kind and generous to give a little introduction (i believe there may be similar info in a post of his in the archives, so i won't go into it here). The piece was stunning. It was one of the only 8-channel pieces at the festival, and i was knocked out with how beautifully thought out=20 this composition was. All comprised of frog and cricket sounds (and a little ambience he used at the right moments), Doc Zvonar=20 created a musical experience unlike any other i've ever had. He's clearly an experienced multi-channel composer with a great sense of dynamics, pacing, and rhythm. =20 This is a must-hear if it ever makes another public appearance. Richard, do post the list if it does! Since there weren't a lot of folks waiting=20 around for the next piece to be played=20 as soon as Frikkit was over, we were afforded some time for a little question/answer session. Doc Zvonar was very patient to answer the=20 questions about how he arranged the piece, how he treated the original samples, etc, and shared some thoughts he had while composing it, as well as an anecdote or two. It's great to hear other list members' work (whether or not it directly involves looping). I hope other folks (Tim from NH?) got to hear this piece. Zvonar does dynamite work...if ya ever get a chance to check out something he's done, go for it. (I picked up a copy of Alias Zone at the festival, too, but haven't had a chance to hear it yet. I belive it's gotten good=20 reviews on this list, if memory serves.) See ya, peter koniuto ------=_NextPart_000_01C7_01C12FC3.A0515EE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
sera que le gusta a daniella mercury = ?
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 p=20 koniuto
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 = 11:09=20 AM
Subject: --OT: in praise of = Zvonar's=20 "Frikkit"



Loopers:

Caught the Ought-One music = festival=20 this past
weekend.  Lots of great things going on, = although
i=20 didn't notice any overt use of *real-time*
looping in any of the = concerts i=20 heard/saw.  (I
did spy a jamman, though, so perhaps i = missed
that=20 performance.)

I must say one of the highlights of the =
weekend for=20 both me and my partner was taking
in list member Richard Zvonar's=20 octophonic
piece for tape, "Frikkit".  There was a = room
separate=20 from the performance areas called the
Dream Room set up for the a = series of=20 about
10 or 12 different installations.  One never
knew = when you=20 walked in which would be playing.
But on my fourth venture, Richard = was in=20 there
with perhaps a couple other people, listening
attentively = to=20 someone else's work.

When that piece was over i requested he = put
his=20 piece on, and he was very kind and generous
to give a little = introduction=20 (i believe there
may be similar info in a post of his in = the
archives,=20 so i won't go into it here).

The piece was stunning.  It = was one=20 of the only
8-channel pieces at the festival, and i was
knocked = out with=20 how beautifully thought out
this composition was.  All = comprised of=20 frog
and cricket sounds (and a little ambience
he used at the = right=20 moments), Doc Zvonar
created a musical experience unlike any = other
i've=20 ever had.  He's clearly an experienced
multi-channel composer = with a=20 great sense of
dynamics, pacing, and rhythm. 

This is = a=20 must-hear if it ever makes another
public appearance.  = Richard, do=20 post the list
if it does!

Since there weren't a lot of folks = waiting=20
around for the next piece to be played
as soon as Frikkit was = over, we=20 were afforded
some time for a little question/answer = session.
Doc Zvonar=20 was very patient to answer the
questions about how he arranged the = piece,=20 how
he treated the original samples, etc, and shared
some = thoughts he=20 had while composing it, as well
as an anecdote or two.

It's = great to=20 hear other list members' work
(whether or not it directly involves=20 looping).
I hope other folks (Tim from NH?) got to hear
this=20 piece.  Zvonar does dynamite work...if
ya ever get a chance to = check=20 out something
he's done, go for it.

(I picked up a copy of = Alias=20 Zone at the
festival, too, but haven't had a chance to
hear it=20 yet.  I belive it's gotten good
reviews on this list, if = memory=20 serves.)

See ya,
peter=20 koniuto




------=_NextPart_000_01C7_01C12FC3.A0515EE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 13:30:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26940; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:06:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:06:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: Repeater - First Impressions Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:47:36 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <3B8B72B6.C856BA93@altruistmusic.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Copied from the Repeater manual PDF: LPAa Considerations If Repeater is in Beat detect, MIDI Sync, or the metronome is turned on in User mode then as long as you press Record near the downbeat of your track, Repeater will automatically tweak the loop start time to the nearest division of the beat. To stop recording press Record close to the downbeat of the next bar. Repeater will auto- matically tweak the end point to match up with the start point and immediately begin playing the trimmed loop. If you are just in user mode with no metronome then no LPA is applied to your recording. > -----Original Message----- > From: Andre LaFosse [mailto:altruist@altruistmusic.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 3:30 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Repeater - First Impressions > > > > > Kevin Mulvihill wrote: > > 3) LPA is cool... > > What's LPA? > > Inquiring minds wanna know... > > --A > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 14:10:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28932; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:52:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:52:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <14f.a3d5d.28bd0d97@aol.com> Subject: Re: EDP Input Level/distortion problems. Old story... Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:41:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02F6_01C12FAD.EFA218B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Aug 2001 17:41:04.0623 (UTC) FILETIME=[9C6A87F0:01C12FE8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02F6_01C12FAD.EFA218B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Easy... A Xmas tree!! Surrounded by electronic gizmos and musical = presents... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 8:07 AM Subject: Re: EDP Input Level/distortion problems. Old story... In a message dated 8/28/01 12:20:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 toddreynolds@rcn.com writes:=20 can we start a looper's delight therapy=20 list?=20 ok todd.....relax.....if you could be any type of tree, what would you = be?.....:)m=20 ------=_NextPart_000_02F6_01C12FAD.EFA218B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Easy... A Xmas tree!! Surrounded = by electronic=20 gizmos and musical presents...
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Nemoguitt@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 = 8:07=20 AM
Subject: Re: EDP Input = Level/distortion=20 problems. Old story...

In a = message dated=20 8/28/01 12:20:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
toddreynolds@rcn.com writes:=20


can we start a looper's delight therapy
list?=20


ok todd.....relax.....if you could be any = type of=20 tree, what would you
be?.....:)m = ------=_NextPart_000_02F6_01C12FAD.EFA218B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 14:18:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28950; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:53:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:53:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB787@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: EH 16 sec. question Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:41:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C12FE8.B1FA8CF0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12FE8.B1FA8CF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" there was a manual. i never used or needed one, but a friend on mine just got an eh-16 with manual. he photocopied it for me. still haven't looked at it. sampling rate?? dunno. wasn't it 8-bit (or less)? sl -----Original Message----- From: John McIntyre [mailto:mcintyre@pa.msu.edu] Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 8:45 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EH 16 sec. question Pedro Felix wrote: > Hello all: > > Anyone know what the sampling rate of the EH 16 sec. pedal of the early > 1980's? > > Anyone have a manual they'd be willing to share? I don't think there was a manual. It's pretty basic. I'll try to answer any questions. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12FE8.B1FA8CF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: EH 16 sec. question

there was a manual. i never used or needed one, but a = friend on mine just got an eh-16 with manual. he photocopied it for me. = still haven't looked at it.

sampling rate?? dunno. wasn't it 8-bit (or = less)?

sl

-----Original Message-----
From: John McIntyre [mailto:mcintyre@pa.msu.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 8:45 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: EH 16 sec. question


Pedro Felix wrote:

> Hello all:
>
> Anyone know what the sampling rate of the EH 16 = sec. pedal of the early
> 1980's?
>
> Anyone have a manual they'd be willing to = share?

I don't think there was a manual.  It's pretty = basic.  I'll try to answer
any questions.

John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept
Michigan State University
mcintyre@pa.msu.edu

------_=_NextPart_001_01C12FE8.B1FA8CF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 14:18:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30542; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:01:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:01:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Repeater question: dry/wet mix option avaliable? Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:52:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <7bVJMB.A.dDH.1o9i7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not exactly, but there are a few work arounds. You could use the FX insert as an input mute (if you are not using it for FX). Like most inserts if nothing is plugged in it will cut the signal path. Make sure the FX insert is assigned to the input and just engage it when you want to mute the input (dry signal). You could also dedicate a track to the dry path and use the level slider or MIDI to mute and unmute it. The only thing you couldn't do is not hear the dry signal while recording unless you turn the destination tracks down during the record. Does this help? >I just had a glance at the repeater features, and i've noticed that >there isn't a dry/wet mix control in the front panel, and the manual >says to eventually turn the effect mix of the amp fx loop all the way >wet. >This could be a problem in systems (as mine), where you need to run >the dry and wet signals in different paths. >So, the question is: is there a way to mute the dry signal via software? Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com -----Original Message----- From: faisal moro [mailto:faisalmoro@mac.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 12:13 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater question: dry/wet mix option avaliable? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 14:20:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30453; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:59:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:59:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010828174951.80217.qmail@web11008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:49:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew McCabe Subject: RE: Repeater - First Impressions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Any impressions on the usability of the pitch and time-stretch features? I am particularly interested if it is possible to change the tempo of a loop and have the pitch change correspondingly (like the EH 16 sec delay, PCM-42, old Digitech stuff, etc.) Thanks. Matt ===== www.mp3.com/kingnever __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 14:32:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30961; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:09:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:09:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <02a901c12fea$8f029b50$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: EDP Input Level/distortion problems. Old story... Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:55:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <7eKcM.A.oKH.lv9i7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Okay, now I'm really embarrassed, can we start a looper's delight therapy > list? Wait...I thought this *was* the looper's delight therapy list...it's just that I can't tell the doctors from the inmates, uh patients I mean. Alright, all you doctors hold up your hands! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 15:17:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00646; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:53:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:53:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010828143600.007dd910@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:36:00 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: --OT: in praise of Zvonar's "Frikkit" In-Reply-To: <280801240.25793@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:09 AM 8/28/01 -0700, Peter Koniuto wrote: >Caught the Ought-One music festival this past >weekend. Lots of great things going on, although >i didn't notice any overt use of *real-time* >looping in any of the concerts i heard/saw. (I >did spy a jamman, though, so perhaps i missed >that performance.) I was going to post a review yesterday, but I'm still recovering! What a great time! You're not as OT as you may think; among the artists I saw at the festival there was a good amount of loopage happening. That's the problem with this sort of festival, though; with four simultaneous performance areas in different buildings, you're bound to miss a lot. We'll probably be hearing the same sort of thing next week as people stagger back from Burning Man! On Saturday, I caught a set by Loons In The Monastery, a duo consisting of Jennifer Lowman on synths and Samuel Claiborne on whistles, percussion, viola and guitar. The Loons are heavy on humor and Samuel looped a lot. (I'm not sure what he was using; I saw a DL4 after the set, but it may have been Tom Heasley's.) Check out the Loons at Saturday night, flautist Margaret Lancaster's set included a piece by Jon Appleton called 'Stop Time for Tap-Dancing Flutist' in which she'd play a passage, and then as it repeated, she'd tap dance along with it. It sounds hokey, I know, but she pulled it off quite fetchingly. In addition to her flute skills, Ms. Lancaster's resume also includes a starring role in the motion picture 'Rockabilly Vampire'... Ohhhhh-kay.... On Sunday, Odd Appetite (cellist Ha-Yang Kim and percussionist Nathan Davis) did some real-time processing of their instruments through (I think) a Mac powerbook using (I think) Max that included a bit of loopage. The simultaneous festival scheduling almost made me miss violist Martha Mooke's set, but I was fortunate enough to catch the last 20 minutes or so. (That might have been her JamMan you saw...) She was using said Jammer and an RDS-somethingorother (an 8000 methinks) to loop electric viola and an electric octave violin (an electric violin with heavier(?) strings tuned down an octave.) Very cool. LD listmember Tom Heasley's set was ALL looping; how often do you get to hear looped tuba? Tom arrived Friday night and set up his rig with the understanding that the venue was secured until after his Sunday evening performance, only to find mid-Sunday that his stuff had been dismantled for a church service and sort of tossed over to the side in a mess o' spaghetti. Fortunately his set was right after the dinner break, so he had time to put it all back together. It was a very small crowd at Mr Heasley's performance due to it being scheduled at the same time as Eve Beglarian's set, but those of us who were there certainly enjoyed it. He did a 45 minute or so improvisation of tuba through a DL4 (with an EDP in the rack for moral support) during which the tuba at times sounded like a whole slew of other instruments/voices/creatures. Great stuff. I've probably missed some of the other loopcentric artists, and I've omitted mentioning some really great non-loopers who performed at the festival... > >I must say one of the highlights of the >weekend for both me and my partner was taking >in list member Richard Zvonar's octophonic >piece for tape, "Frikkit". ... >I hope other folks (Tim from NH?) got to hear >this piece. Zvonar does dynamite work... Absolutely, although I was somewhat dissapointed that many of the Dream Room events either didn't happen or happened with nobody in attendance. (There were several pieces during which Kalvos [a pseudonymous moniker for composer/radio personality/festival co-organizer/helluva nice guy Dennis Bathory-Kitsz] and I were the only ones in the room!) Dr. Zvonar's piece was absolutely wonderful, there's no doubt about that, but I just wish more people had heard it. >One never knew when you walked in which would be playing. That's part of the problem; the Dream Room pieces were SUPPOSED to have been scheduled, but that broke down rather quickly due to poor attendance and the fact that some of the pieces had been cancelled. I think at first nobody knew where the Dream Room was; I asked one of the volunteers at the main info desk and he had no idea what I was talking about. But I had a great time anyway, and I hope they do this again next year... Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 15:50:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03329; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 15:27:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 15:27:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: From: "p koniuto" Subject: RE: Re: --OT: in praise of Zvonar's "Frikkit" Message-Id: <280801240.44200@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:16:40 -0700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From: Tim Nelson >I was going to post a review yesterday, but I'm still recovering! What a >great time! I hear ya... I did miss a lot of the concerts you mentioned, except Margaret Lancaster's performance. I really liked the Appleton piece. You're right, it was very effective. I didn't notice any looping, though. Just one playback of what she just played while she was tapping. When she played *while* tapping was pretty amazing, and i didn't find it gimmicky at all...very musical. Phil Kline's composition for 3 video screens and 30 boomboxes certainly employed looping, but not really in the real-time sense. Much of what was pre-recorded on all those cassettes was looped for sure. Interestingly: since they couldn't all be precisely in time, the drift among 30 different boomboxes created some pretty wild..."pulsing" is i guess what you'd call it. The result was very loop-like...you heard loops that were not on tape per se, just certain frequencies interacted with each other in a cyclical way so that these loops sort of "appeared" out of thin air. Crazy. And gorgeous. >LD listmember Tom Heasley's set was ALL looping; how often do you get to >hear looped tuba? Tom arrived Friday night and set up his Super bumbed i missed that... >Absolutely, although I was somewhat dissapointed that many of the Dream >Room events either didn't happen or happened with nobody in attendance. Agreed on the dream room...some constructive feedback to the organizers for next time couldn't hurt. Even when i was in there, half the time i didn't know what i was listening to. All in all though, a really wonderful experience. -peter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 17:06:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08354; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 16:43:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 16:43:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <016101c13001$8eca2ec0$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: <200108281407.KAA20873@www.editev.com> Subject: Re: Terry Riley, IN C , another recording... Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 16:39:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Ritchford > I have a very depressing version of In C played in China > where the orchestra is very enthusiastic though a bit > clumsy -- however, the liner notes then tell you that > they were all rounded up and disappeared afterwards, > very very sad. Interestingly enough, my version of this cd doesn't have this story. Are you putting us on Tom? * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 17:50:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11461; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 17:27:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 17:27:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 17:17:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200108282117.RAA15033@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: Terry Riley, IN C , another recording... X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 66.9.67.98 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I have a very depressing version of In C played in China > > where the orchestra is very enthusiastic though a bit > > clumsy -- however, the liner notes then tell you that > > they were all rounded up and disappeared afterwards, > > very very sad. > > Interestingly enough, my version of this cd doesn't have this story. > Are you putting us on Tom? Good Lord, no! I'd never joke about something like that. Haven't read the liner notes in a long time -- this is from memory. It didn't say that they were specifically murdered, it said that the orchestra was officially disbanded and they weren't able to contact any of the members of it and were worried about them. I don't remember the exact details, I DO remember being rather saddened when I got to that spot. (there's a similar liner note on the Chronos "Black Angels" where someone recorded trad. music in Romania, I believe, and all the musicians involved were "disciplined" and moved to different cities!) /t -- I am the wombat. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 18:41:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15607; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 18:24:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 18:24:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01eb01c1300f$58f9e7a0$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: <200108282117.RAA15033@www.editev.com> Subject: Re: Terry Riley, IN C , another recording... Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 18:18:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Ritchford > > > I have a very depressing version of In C played in China > > > where the orchestra is very enthusiastic though a bit > > > clumsy -- however, the liner notes then tell you that > > > they were all rounded up and disappeared afterwards, > > > very very sad. > > > > Interestingly enough, my version of this cd doesn't have this story. > > Are you putting us on Tom? > > Good Lord, no! I'd never joke about something like that. > > Haven't read the liner notes in a long time -- > this is from memory. > > It didn't say that they were specifically murdered, it > said that the orchestra was officially disbanded and > they weren't able to contact any of the members of it > and were worried about them. > > I don't remember the exact details, I DO remember being > rather saddened when I got to that spot. Are we talking about the same recording? The Shanghai Film Orchestra on Celestial Harmonies, mixed by Brian Eno, Jon Hassell and Terry Riley? "Given the tragic events that rocked China just a few months after these recordings were made, it's hard to envision a similar project being made today. "It was a rare opportunity," Riley says. "We were very lucky." Not that there weren't a few problems. A bureaucratic snafu made Riley and (conductor David Mingyue) Liang decidedly unofficial visitors to China, and the final tapes had to be smuggled out of country." - John Schaefer, liner notes I've finally got some mp3 files ready for NYC Loop Fest, how do I get them to you? I sent them to mp3.com but who knows when they'll show up! * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 18:42:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15609; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 18:24:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 18:24:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010828152445.00ba8800@mail.well.com> X-Sender: dog@mail.well.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 15:24:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: dan mcmullen Subject: more RepeaTer 1st impressions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <8R0cu.A.cpD.zeBj7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com here's another first impression. on balance, i like it a lot. the good: - works as advertised: 4 tracks, fx insert, all the goodies. - pitch/time mods work well w/in "reasonable parameters" - *very* nice user interface: operation is quite 'transparent' for most common things limitations: - no mix control: creates potential feedback problems when looping from microphones. doesn't work well w/ RepeaTer on fx send of a mixer. - no way to go direct from initial record pass immediately into overdub: this prevents you from laying down an initial loop w/ sound which sustains through the endpoint. for example, since looping stereo reverb is one of the things i've been waiting to do w/ RepeaTer, this keeps me looping a long reverb tail on the initial pass. - no midi control of input level - trim after multiply of several tracks awkward: if several tracks have been multiplied and left in the 'virtual' state, trim will not operate until each track has been individually commited by an overdub or resample. trim should give the option of committing all virtual tracks en mass and then doing the request trim as a single operation. - resample doesn't work well in real time: the level and mute of the tracks is not adjusted after a resample to account for the new material. it would be nice if there were an option for resample to mute source tracks which are not also destination tracks. this wouldn't be perfect, but it would be better than the current situation where it generally ends up playing both source and resampled tracks together. warnings: - overdubbing while playing back a loop at extreme time stretch can generate *loud* artifacts if the loop is returned to normal tempo bugs: - trim undoes slip: trim seems to return tracks which have be slipped to non-zero offsets back to zero. they still display a slip amount however. nits: - yellow, "good" zone on input led seems quite small wishes: - loop knob control semitone pitch shift/beat slips: since the loop knob presently duplicates the operation of the tempo knob when modifying track pitch and slip, couldn't it be used to allow gross changes without the awkward & slow "move quickly for greater effect" operation of the tempo knob? - option for output level knob to control global level: instead of just controlling headphone level, i'd like a knob on the box to adjust the overall output level. ___ dan mcmullen, ca, usa don't worry - pay attention mailto:dog@well.com 707-485-0220 pgp fingerprint = 1C70 8D81 6B94 93A9 F2D8 9609 2122 BF70 8619 EDAF From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 18:48:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15608; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 18:24:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 18:24:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010828150939.00b5f100@mail.well.com> X-Sender: dog@mail.well.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 15:09:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: dan mcmullen Subject: RE: Repeater answer: dry/wet mix option NOT avaliable In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com as a brand new RepeaTer operator, let me echo the original poster's concern. i ran into this problem in practice right off the bat, & have blown one speaker fuse so far because of this. i loop acoustic instruments via microphones. i always run my other loopers with mix 100% loop to avoid feedback. this also works better in a studio setup w/ the looper as an effects send, as i always want independant control of the level of the source vs the level of the loop. with RepeaTer, there isn't any way to keep the source signal out of the loop output. At 10:52 AM 8/28/01 -0700, Damon wrote: >Not exactly, but there are a few work arounds. You could use the FX insert >as an input mute (if you are not using it for FX). Like most inserts if >nothing is plugged in it will cut the signal path. Make sure the FX insert >is assigned to the input and just engage it when you want to mute the input >(dry signal). this is a workaround, but we lose the FX insert capability, which is one of RepeaTers coolest features. >You could also dedicate a track to the dry path and use the >level slider or MIDI to mute and unmute it. The only thing you couldn't do >is not hear the dry signal while recording unless you turn the destination >tracks down during the record. > >Does this help? not really. as noted above, this creates a volatile feedback situation if using microphones as sources. this is a significant limitation of RepeaTer for my use of it. i hope that it can be addressed in a near future firmware upgrade. in the meanwhile, life is limitations, and i'll continue using RepeaTer anyway. :-) ___ dan mcmullen, ca, usa don't worry - pay attention mailto:dog@well.com 707-485-0220 pgp fingerprint = 1C70 8D81 6B94 93A9 F2D8 9609 2122 BF70 8619 EDAF From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 18:54:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15946; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 18:33:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 18:33:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 15:21:03 -0700 Subject: MIDI sequencing for live perfomances From: chipF To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hello: I am brand new to MIDI. So be kind. What I am looking to do: In a live environment, control my Jomox AirBase with a computer (PC or Mac) using MIDI sequencing. I am wondering what hardware and software will be best for what I want to do. most important: to be able to control what song, or pattern the Jomox is playing via a foot controller. not as important: be able to solo MIDI tracks via said foot controller. so I need suggestions on: 1) what platform to use (Mac or PC) 2) what harware to use 3) what software to use 4) what footcontroller to use thanks : chippo100@mediaone.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 19:15:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17409; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 18:57:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 18:57:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010828224548.95216.qmail@web12807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 15:45:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Alx Subject: Check out some loop work from a Mexican LD list member... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010826171839.0451c120@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello to all, if any of you have the time please check out my mp3.com page at http://www.mp3.com/Alex_Martinez any comments apreciatted. Good luck! Alex. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 19:26:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18870; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:05:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:05:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010828225425.83544.qmail@web12806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 15:54:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Alx Subject: Check out some loop work from a Mexican LD list member... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010826171839.0451c120@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <8UnpND.A.zME.jECj7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello to all, if any of you have the time please check out my mp3.com page at http://www.mp3.com/Alex_Martinez any comments apreciatted. Good luck! Alex. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 19:38:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19315; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:16:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:16:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:05:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200108282305.TAA21419@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: Terry Riley, IN C , another recording... X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 66.9.67.98 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Are we talking about the same recording? The Shanghai Film Orchestra > on Celestial Harmonies, mixed by Brian Eno, Jon Hassell and Terry Riley? I *believe* so. However, I don't have it to hand, it's in a storage area in Brooklyn. > "Given the tragic events that rocked China just a few months after > these recordings were made, it's hard to envision a similar project > being made today. "It was a rare opportunity," Riley says. "We > were very lucky." Not that there weren't a few problems. A bureaucratic > snafu made Riley and (conductor David Mingyue) Liang decidedly > unofficial visitors to China, and the final tapes had to be smuggled > out of country." > - John Schaefer, liner notes That doesn't seem particularly distressing. Well, perhaps I confabulated by mistake! > I've finally got some mp3 files ready for NYC Loop Fest, how > do I get them to you? I sent them to mp3.com but who knows when they'll > show up! You can ftp them to me. There's a looper's delight ftp account that I have created for our general use and I'll send it to you personally "under separate cover". /t -- I am the wombat. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 20:18:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22453; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 20:01:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 20:01:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01c1301d$80888520$87120b3e@c3v8b8> From: "tiscali" To: References: Subject: R: Terry Riley, IN C , another recording... Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 01:59:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ACCYNNY ELECTRIC AND HYPNOTIC GUITARS www.rustyrobot.com ALBUM "HYPNOS" ----- Original Message ----- From: todd reynolds To: Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 6:40 AM Subject: Terry Riley, IN C , another recording... > Cantaloupe Records has just released another recording of In C, available in > stores on September 1st, being sold online currently at their site, which is > pretty smokin' anyway... > > http://www.cantaloupemusic.com/index.html > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 20:23:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22451; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 20:01:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 20:01:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c1301d$436100a0$87120b3e@c3v8b8> From: "tiscali" To: References: Subject: R: Terry Riley, IN C , another recording... Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 01:57:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ACCYNNY ELECTRIC AND HYPNOTIC GUITARS www.rustyrobot.com ALBUM "HYPNOS" ----- Original Message ----- From: todd reynolds To: Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 6:40 AM Subject: Terry Riley, IN C , another recording... > Cantaloupe Records has just released another recording of In C, available in > stores on September 1st, being sold online currently at their site, which is > pretty smokin' anyway... > > http://www.cantaloupemusic.com/index.html > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 21:21:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25032; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 20:59:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 20:59:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010828204437.007e56d0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 20:44:37 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Re: --OT: in praise of Zvonar's "Frikkit" In-Reply-To: <280801240.44200@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:16 PM 8/28/01 -0700, you wrote: >I did miss a lot of the concerts you mentioned, >except Margaret Lancaster's performance. It's funny; in order to not miss any of the Dream Room installations I had scheduled Saturday evening to be spent exclusively there. Shortly after Dr. Zvonar's piece the room was empty and silent, so I wandered over to catch the last half of the Lancaster set. I'm glad I did! I kind of stumbled into Martha Mooke's set that same way, too, by leaving another performance early. I'd never heard of her before, although an archive search turns up a mention of her in the most recent head-rearing of the 'Women Who Loop' thread a couple of months ago. I'd like to hear more! >I didn't notice [Margaret Lancaster doing] any looping, though. Just one >playback of what she just played while she was tapping. And I don't think *she* was doing that; I think Eric Lyon was pressing the buttons. Although real-time phrase sampling with instantaneous playback comes pretty close to the spirit of looping for me, even if it didn't technically cycle. It was so much cooler than if she'd tapped along with a pre-recorded flute part. I kept listening for idiosyncracies to come up during the replay to prove to myself it wasn't pre-recorded. It definitely wasn't! >Phil Kline's composition for 3 video screens and >30 boomboxes certainly employed looping, but not >really in the real-time sense. And I'm bummed to have missed THAT! Especially since the concert I was attending right across the street during that time slot (Drew Krause: Spoke Variations), while certainly masterful and very impressive, wasn't really what I'm personally into. I still enjoyed it very much, but I would have liked to have heard the Kline piece. That's probably where everyone was; during the Krause, there were only a handful of us in the room... >Super bumbed i missed [Tom Heasley's set]... I made it a point to wear my one-of-a-kind 'UNSUBSCRIBE!' T-shirt! >Agreed on the dream room...some constructive >feedback to the organizers for next time >couldn't hurt. I sure hope there IS a 'next time'! >Even when i was in there, >half the time i didn't know what i was listening to. After a while, when Kalvos saw that the schedule had been abandoned, he started printing out little 'Now Playing' signs to post on the outer door. What'd you think of Dennis Darrah's 'Looping Music Chill-Out Room'? I wasn't sure it was actually happening when I was in there... -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 22:01:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA27690; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 21:38:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 21:38:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010828225425.83544.qmail@web12806.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010828225425.83544.qmail@web12806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 21:24:11 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Check out some loop work from a Mexican LD list member... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hello to all, if any of you have the time please check >out my mp3.com page at >http://www.mp3.com/Alex_Martinez any comments >appreciated. listening to it right now... and it's a winner! nice opening, good sounds and good use of a flanger or resonant filter. nice song structure, all the various lines are exciting enough and work well together, keeps me interested. the drum sounds are a little thin, particularly the kick sound, though the actual parts are interesting. I'd up the EQ in a narrow band on the kick (150Hz?) and the snare (1.2KHz?) good stuff! /t .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 22:06:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA27882; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 21:43:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 21:43:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: no repeater wet/dry mix? that's silly. Message-ID: <999048756.3b8c4634cfe52@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 21:32:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Williamson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.5 X-Originating-IP: 216.166.195.90 Resent-Message-ID: <_RA_FC.A.KtG.AZEj7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i must say i'm rather shocked that the repeater does not have a mix knob. very upsetting. cfc issues: no biggie ... to be expected. the dude upset about his sticker should chill the fripp out. production delays: again ... i don't care. i want it to be useful. price: no complaints. it's cheaper than the gibson thingie, which is significant. no immediate overdub from record mode exit: pretty shitty, but the fact you can save loops (like empty loops, for example) or record (or as i called it with the 'plex, _prime_) an empty loop before you start adding to it makes it just an irritant. no mix control: really really bad. it means i have to hit two switches instead of just one to route an instrument to the loop (the way i work, with a mixer). it also makes processing of loop feedback (i've really got into the whole loopfeedbackthroughpitchshift thing lately) damn near impossible. even if the mix control was only addressable in software, or was a simple selection between 50/50 or all wet, this would be a non-issue. this is not an "avenue for a new way of working", this is a serious design flaw. i hope it's fixed before i buy my new looper(s). it does makes me more interested in the (as-yet-unavailable) line6 unit, with it's better metering and balanced connectivity. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 22:14:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28114; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 21:50:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 21:50:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8C4702.753CB40F@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 18:36:02 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater answer: dry/wet mix option NOT avaliable References: <3.0.5.32.20010828150939.00b5f100@mail.well.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <54TchC.A.SvG.ZcEj7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh, that is DEFINITALLY a design flaw as far as I'm concerned. Any chance of getting that changed in future OS updates? Also, I'd want the loop fade to be ALWAYS available, regardless of the mode I'm in. Mark dan mcmullen wrote: > as a brand new RepeaTer operator, let me echo the original poster's > concern. i ran into this problem in practice right off the bat, & have > blown one speaker fuse so far because of this. i loop acoustic instruments > via microphones. i always run my other loopers with mix 100% loop to avoid > feedback. this also works better in a studio setup w/ the looper as an > effects send, as i always want independant control of the level of the > source vs the level of the loop. with RepeaTer, there isn't any way to > keep the source signal out of the loop output. > > At 10:52 AM 8/28/01 -0700, Damon wrote: > >Not exactly, but there are a few work arounds. You could use the FX insert > >as an input mute (if you are not using it for FX). Like most inserts if > >nothing is plugged in it will cut the signal path. Make sure the FX insert > >is assigned to the input and just engage it when you want to mute the input > >(dry signal). > > this is a workaround, but we lose the FX insert capability, which is one of > RepeaTers coolest features. > > >You could also dedicate a track to the dry path and use the > >level slider or MIDI to mute and unmute it. The only thing you couldn't do > >is not hear the dry signal while recording unless you turn the destination > >tracks down during the record. > > > >Does this help? > > not really. as noted above, this creates a volatile feedback situation if > using microphones as sources. > > this is a significant limitation of RepeaTer for my use of it. i hope that > it can be addressed in a near future firmware upgrade. > > in the meanwhile, life is limitations, and i'll continue using RepeaTer > anyway. :-) > ___ > dan mcmullen, ca, usa don't worry - pay attention > mailto:dog@well.com 707-485-0220 > pgp fingerprint = 1C70 8D81 6B94 93A9 F2D8 9609 2122 BF70 8619 EDAF From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 22:17:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28284; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 21:54:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 21:54:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010829014502.19856.qmail@web12807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 18:45:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Alx Subject: Re: Check out some loop work from a Mexican LD list member... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Tom Ritchford wrote: > >Hello to all, if any of you have the time please > check > >out my mp3.com page at > >http://www.mp3.com/Alex_Martinez any comments > >appreciated. > > listening to it right now... and it's a winner! > > nice opening, good sounds and good use of a flanger > or resonant filter. nice song structure, > all the various lines are exciting enough and > work well together, keeps me interested. > > the drum sounds are a little thin, particularly > the kick sound, though the actual parts are > interesting. I'd up the EQ in a narrow band > on the kick (150Hz?) and the snare (1.2KHz?) > > good stuff! > > /t > > > .........a new fortune every > minute. > ..................Forteans of New > York. > Hey Tom, Thanks so much for the detailed response!, I agree on the drum sounds, I´ll remix it later with better monitors, I´m just using a home-based stereo system right now. Best. Alex. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 22:28:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29917; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:08:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:08:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010828184259.00a79490@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 18:53:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Repeater - First Impressions In-Reply-To: <20010828174951.80217.qmail@web11008.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <1541z.A.l5G.jtEj7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:49 AM 8/28/2001, Matthew McCabe wrote: >Any impressions on the usability of the pitch and >time-stretch features? I am particularly interested >if it is possible to change the tempo of a loop and >have the pitch change correspondingly (like the EH 16 >sec delay, PCM-42, old Digitech stuff, etc.) Thanks. I asked them that question at NAMM, and the answer was no then. The time-stretch and pitch shift are independent. I assume that is still the case. For remixing different samples from other sources, you would want it independent. I assume that's the use they were targeting with these functions. But loopers have always loved that speed up and slow down effect that you could get from changing tape speed on a tape loop, or changing the delay time on older delays. And then mixing overdubs in at different speeds. So far as I know Repeater doesn't do that. (If I could get a nickel for every time somebody has asked for that feature on the EDP, I would be writing this from my own island.) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 23:06:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31738; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:48:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:48:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010829014502.19856.qmail@web12807.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010829014502.19856.qmail@web12807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:39:24 -0400 To: Alx From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Check out some loop work from a Mexican LD list member... Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id WAA31320 Resent-Message-ID: <3Zus7D.A.npH.nXFj7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hey Tom, Thanks so much for the detailed response!, I >agree on the drum sounds, I¥ll remix it later with >better monitors, I¥m just using a home-based stereo >system right now. It's pretty damn close though -- I can identify the "correct" studio sound better than I can get it myself . Getting good drum sounds is VERY hard -- so much work! /t .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 23:06:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31498; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:44:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:44:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB79B@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Repeater answer: dry/wet mix option NOT avaliable Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:29:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C13032.6DB067A0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C13032.6DB067A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" yep, that seems like a design flaw. questions: could you use a volume pedal in one of the effects loops to control the loop volume (mix/dry ratio)? is the loop volume (mix/dry ratio) accessible via midi control (say cc 7)? stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C13032.6DB067A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: Repeater answer: dry/wet mix option NOT avaliable

yep, that seems like a design flaw.

questions:

could you use a volume pedal in one of the effects loops to control the loop volume (mix/dry ratio)?

is the loop volume (mix/dry ratio) accessible via midi control (say cc 7)?

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C13032.6DB067A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 23:10:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31705; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:47:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:47:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <999048756.3b8c4634cfe52@www.suitandtieguy.com> References: <999048756.3b8c4634cfe52@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:33:41 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: no repeater wet/dry mix? that's silly. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Eric Williamson wrote: >i must say i'm rather shocked that the repeater does not have a mix knob. very >upsetting. [snip] >no immediate overdub from record mode exit: pretty shitty, but the >fact you can >save loops (like empty loops, for example) or record (or as i called it with >the 'plex, _prime_) an empty loop before you start adding to it makes it just >an irritant. Agreed. And it would *seem* to be the sort of thing that could easily be fixed in future upgrades -- a setting like "switch into overdub from record (yes/no)?" doesn't seem to involve any new functionality. >no mix control: really really bad. it means i have to hit two switches instead >of just one to route an instrument to the loop (the way i work, with a mixer). >it also makes processing of loop feedback (i've really got into the whole >loopfeedbackthroughpitchshift thing lately) damn near impossible. > >even if the mix control was only addressable in software, or was a simple >selection between 50/50 or all wet, this would be a non-issue. YES -- this is exactly what I feel as well. I also use a mixer -- I can't see how you can manage multiple effects units without a mixer! -- and I always want all my effects to be all wet and no dry at all. In fact, a classic error of mine is when the wet/dry dial gets turned on my Headrush and I don't correct it before a show. Then my voice suddenly gets MUCH louder when I bring in the looper BEFORE I start to use it. I've done this a couple of times and it's really annoying... I can see that DJs would be much happier with that because they'd play right THROUGH the unit -- you'd use the output of the machine as your final mix! Guitarists and such would also play THROUGH the unit and right into an amp. Now, what are the chances of fixing this?! Well, either it's software or hardware. If it's software, it can be fixed. If it's hardware.... What I fear is that somewhere in the circuit diagram is something like this: passive mix here (no potentiometer) | v ->-INPUT ----- LOOP PROCESSING --+--- OUT ->- | | +----->---------->----+ in that case ^ the response | would be | cut here so we'd have to go into the unit and cut the traces -- which might be hard if it were on a printed circuit board... I'd do it though! /t .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 00:59:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05765; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 00:39:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 00:39:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8C6E6C.6D99AE97@altruistmusic.com> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 21:24:12 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: A Repeater suggestion References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB79B@migarexch01.maritz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hallo loop list, I want to chime in with a point of view here, in light of the current talk about the lack of a wet/dry mix and its supposedly being a design flaw. I also want to address a gear-related issue that's been bugging me for a while. First of all, with respect to the wet/dry issue: I believe it was either Jamie or Damon who told me at the NAMM show back in January that one of the core concepts for Repeater was to make "a hardware version of ACID." Based upon the present feedback (no pun intended) from Repeater owners, as well as the slant of Electrix's promotion, it seems to me that Repeater is clearly coming from more of a multi-track recorder point of view. When was the last time you saw individual track wet/dry mixes on an ADAT or a reel-to-reel tape recorder? I would suggest that the absence of same on the Repeater is not a design FLAW -- it's a design characteristic. My perception at this point, which is of course only my opinion, is that there's now a bit of a letdown present at the realization that the Repeater is not, in fact, the be-all end-all Uber-looper of doom. Yes, there are some things you can do with a Repeater that nothing else on the market can do. There are also some things that have been on the market for many years with feature sets which the Repeater doesn't seem to share. There's a reason guitar players might have both a Les Paul and a Stratocaster in their rig, and might run them through either a Fender Twin or a Marshall stack. Recording engineers carry a variety of microphones with different strenghts and weaknesses. Drummers will use different types of kit components depending on the musical situation. And so on. What I'm trying to say is this: Don't just judge any musical instrument or piece of gear on what it DOESN'T do. Think about what it DOES do as well. Approach it as an individual thing with its own strengths and weaknesses, and learn what those are. Choose your tool based upon the job you need to do. When I use an EDP, my creative process is being shaped as a result of a specific design architecture and philosophy. Like any good instrument, it's the product of a particular creative idea that's followed a specific arc to be brought to fruition. I'm sure the Repeater is the same way, and I'm sure that each unit will lead a user down certain paths that the other one isn't well equipped to travel. With all due respect to all the new Repeater owners, and without wanting to offend anyone, I think it's a bit ridiculous that people are asking for new design features in the unit mere days after having recieved it -- especially after having waited a year for the current model to take shape as an actual, workable, stable, real-world unit. It's taken years for a vocabulary of EDP techniques and approaches to build up. That's the way it should be, as it is with any instrument. Don't expect to master something like a Repeater in a few days -- and don't expect it to be the final word in real-time looping. Learn your instrument. Get to know it as a creative tool. And don't blame the instrument if it turns out that it wasn't what you thought it was going to be, you know? Anyway... --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 01:17:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA06311; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 00:57:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 00:57:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8C733A.16925D55@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 21:44:42 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Check out some loop work from a Mexican LD list member... References: <20010829014502.19856.qmail@web12807.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sweet. The picture is great too. Alx wrote: > --- Tom Ritchford wrote: > > >Hello to all, if any of you have the time please > > check > > >out my mp3.com page at > > >http://www.mp3.com/Alex_Martinez any comments > > >appreciated. > > > > listening to it right now... and it's a winner! > > > > nice opening, good sounds and good use of a flanger > > or resonant filter. nice song structure, > > all the various lines are exciting enough and > > work well together, keeps me interested. > > > > the drum sounds are a little thin, particularly > > the kick sound, though the actual parts are > > interesting. I'd up the EQ in a narrow band > > on the kick (150Hz?) and the snare (1.2KHz?) > > > > good stuff! > > > > /t > > > > > > .........a new fortune every > > minute. > > ..................Forteans of New > > York. > > > > Hey Tom, Thanks so much for the detailed response!, I > agree on the drum sounds, I´ll remix it later with > better monitors, I´m just using a home-based stereo > system right now. > Best. > Alex. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 01:37:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA08414; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 01:20:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 01:20:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8C7901.81F8F24B@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:09:21 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: A Repeater suggestion References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB79B@migarexch01.maritz.com> <3B8C6E6C.6D99AE97@altruistmusic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah! and while your at it, put a wet/dry level in it like every other professional effect processor ever designed. thanks. Mark Sottilaro Andre LaFosse wrote: > Hallo loop list, > > I want to chime in with a point of view here, in light of the current > talk about the lack of a wet/dry mix and its supposedly being a design > flaw. I also want to address a gear-related issue that's been bugging > me for a while. > > First of all, with respect to the wet/dry issue: I believe it was either > Jamie or Damon who told me at the NAMM show back in January that one of > the core concepts for Repeater was to make "a hardware version of ACID." > > Based upon the present feedback (no pun intended) from Repeater owners, > as well as the slant of Electrix's promotion, it seems to me that > Repeater is clearly coming from more of a multi-track recorder point of > view. When was the last time you saw individual track wet/dry mixes on > an ADAT or a reel-to-reel tape recorder? I would suggest that the > absence of same on the Repeater is not a design FLAW -- it's a design > characteristic. > > My perception at this point, which is of course only my opinion, is that > there's now a bit of a letdown present at the realization that the > Repeater is not, in fact, the be-all end-all Uber-looper of doom. Yes, > there are some things you can do with a Repeater that nothing else on > the market can do. There are also some things that have been on the > market for many years with feature sets which the Repeater doesn't seem > to share. > > There's a reason guitar players might have both a Les Paul and a > Stratocaster in their rig, and might run them through either a Fender > Twin or a Marshall stack. Recording engineers carry a variety of > microphones with different strenghts and weaknesses. Drummers will use > different types of kit components depending on the musical situation. > And so on. > > What I'm trying to say is this: Don't just judge any musical instrument > or piece of gear on what it DOESN'T do. Think about what it DOES do as > well. Approach it as an individual thing with its own strengths and > weaknesses, and learn what those are. > > Choose your tool based upon the job you need to do. > > When I use an EDP, my creative process is being shaped as a result of a > specific design architecture and philosophy. Like any good instrument, > it's the product of a particular creative idea that's followed a > specific arc to be brought to fruition. I'm sure the Repeater is the > same way, and I'm sure that each unit will lead a user down certain > paths that the other one isn't well equipped to travel. > > With all due respect to all the new Repeater owners, and without wanting > to offend anyone, I think it's a bit ridiculous that people are asking > for new design features in the unit mere days after having recieved it > -- especially after having waited a year for the current model to take > shape as an actual, workable, stable, real-world unit. > > It's taken years for a vocabulary of EDP techniques and approaches to > build up. That's the way it should be, as it is with any instrument. > Don't expect to master something like a Repeater in a few days -- and > don't expect it to be the final word in real-time looping. > > Learn your instrument. Get to know it as a creative tool. And don't > blame the instrument if it turns out that it wasn't what you thought it > was going to be, you know? > > Anyway... > > --Andre LaFosse > http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 01:55:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA08998; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 01:34:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 01:34:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@fixme User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:23:50 -0700 Subject: Gig Spam [Seattle, WA]: Electrochakra @ the Mars Bar 8/29/01 9PM From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Electrochakra will be performing at the newly expanded Mars Bar (609 Eastlake Ave., a few blocks north of REI) this Wednesday between 9PM and midnight. There is no cover charge. Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett Electrochakra -- Electrochakra website: http://www.electrochakra.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 02:17:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA09912; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 01:56:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 01:56:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB79F@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: A Repeater suggestion Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 01:41:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1304D.4E3C3C30" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1304D.4E3C3C30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" What I'm trying to say is this: Don't just judge any musical instrument or piece of gear on what it DOESN'T do. Think about what it DOES do as well. Approach it as an individual thing with its own strengths and weaknesses, and learn what those are. ** ya know this is really a good thought - - at least it elides with some thinking of my own for the last few days about musical compatriots of mine. look for the strengths, not the weaknesses. acknowledge the weaknesses, but appreciate the strong points. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1304D.4E3C3C30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: A Repeater suggestion

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C1304D.4E3C3C30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 02:46:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA12135; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 02:26:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 02:26:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8C883B.F48FB906@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 23:14:19 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: A Repeater suggestion References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB79F@migarexch01.maritz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, but put in a wet/dry mix control, like every other pro effect processor every made. Mark Sottilaro "Liebig, Steuart A." wrote: > > > What I'm trying to say is this: Don't just judge any musical > instrument > or piece of gear on what it DOESN'T do. Think about what it DOES do > as > well. Approach it as an individual thing with its own strengths and > weaknesses, and learn what those are. > > ** ya know this is really a good thought - - at least it elides with > some thinking of my own for the last few days about musical > compatriots of mine. look for the strengths, not the weaknesses. > acknowledge the weaknesses, but appreciate the strong points. > > stig From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 03:12:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA13273; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 02:52:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 02:52:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010829004051.0086c3a0@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 00:40:51 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: ARTIFACTS.................the thread......... In-Reply-To: <00ef01c12eda$cecd6500$a442f93f@dnlsh01> References: <200108270331.XAA03568@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, OK, one thing I like to do with the DL-4 is to record a short loop with the shorter delay in loop mode before actually engaging the longer loop function. then, once I've got that going, I'll turn the delay time knob all the way to one end, than the other, and then settle at the longest setting, which gives a really wild somewhat random rhythmically undulating noise which works incredibly wonderfullly for a beat to play and loop over. The original tones are all but gone and they're replaced with their artifact-ridden ghosts. It can be pretty amazing!... I'll then engage the loop function to record what's playing, and then once that's done, eliminate the first delay, and continue adding layers or textures over the basic rhythm. Smiles, G-Girl --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 03:32:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA14995; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 03:11:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 03:11:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8C9239.EF66F153@altruistmusic.com> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 23:56:57 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: A Repeater suggestion References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB79F@migarexch01.maritz.com> <3B8C883B.F48FB906@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yo Mark, Mark wrote: > > Yeah, but put in a wet/dry mix control, like every other pro effect > processor every made. This gets into the whole issue of, "What is a looper SUPPOSED to do? Is it SUPPOSED to operate like a pro effects processor?" I recall Kim stating once that he felt things like pitch-shifting and time-stretching didn't really belong in something like an EDP, because those were features based upon applying a DSP approach to sound. He felt the whole EDP angle was about recording, editing, cutting-and-pasting, and otherwise EDITING the audio on the fly, rather than out-and-out PROCESSING it. (Please feel free to correct me if I'm mis-representing you, Kim.) So the Repeater is interesting in that it does a bit of sound editing, AND sound processing. If someone's coming to it from a background of real-time looping with units like a JamMan, EDP, Boomerang, etc., then they could well find the wet/dry and feedback characteristics to be a problem. On the other hand, if someone's approaching it from a multi-track recording perspective, and looking at Repeater as being a portable, hardware extension of a program like ACID, then things like wet/dry mixes and feedback functions won't be an issue, because those features don't have anything to do with multitrack recording. And beyond that, if there WERE a wet/dry control on Repeater, how should it be implemented? Should there be a universal balance that affects all four tracks uniformly? Should each channel have its own discrete balance? Should there be both? If so, how should they interact? I do think there's a certain dichotomy starting to emerge in terms of feature sets, with the Repeater more geared towards multi-track-style recording, panning, processing, and storage of stereo audio, and the EDP more geared towards live, spontaneous interactive performance and in-depth sample editing between the input and the looper. OF COURSE this is an overgeneralization, and of course both units can function in both live and studio environments. But it does seem to me that they're leaning towards somewhat seperate ends of the live/studio spectrum in terms of the way they're laid out, and in terms of the design philosophy behind each one. I think this sort of issue is interesting, since it re-opens the whole issue of what a looper should or should not have. Some people will no doubt find it a serious set-back. Others won't ever miss it. The real question, though, is what sort of wet/dry balance will be on the Againinator?! --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 04:01:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA15994; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 03:40:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 03:40:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: Repeater and EDP (d/t) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 00:30:03 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3B8B7269.B6B47C7@altruistmusic.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Insightful post, Andre. Actually, you are correct too... having independent outs for each track and FX inserts opens up a wealth of possibilities that I have not yet explored. When these approaches are considered, it becomes readily obvious that the EDP doesn't necessarily belong after the Repeater. Yesterday, just to get the Repeater up and running, I set it up in mono mode. I will explore the routing possibilities more fully in the coming days and weeks. Back to the fun... Kevin > Pardon my non-dt commentary... > > > Anyway, after a little experimentation, I'm just wondering, > d/t, surely you > > have the EDP in the signal chain after the Repeater right? > That's the way > > that offers the most possibilities, or at least, so it seems to me. > > Really?! > > I don't have a repeater, but my presumption is that the natural signal > chain would be to have the EDP BEFORE the Repeater. Why? > > Repeater works in stereo, with different pan and output for each > individual track. If you send that into an EDP, everything gets summed > to mono and output as the same, and the possibilities for discrete > signal routing are lost. > > The whole issue of simultaneous, discreet loops, with individual editing > tweakability, seems to be at the core of the Repeater's design > "identity," just as I would suggest that the idea of > editing/cutting-and-pasting a loop "cycle" is one of the signature > traits of an EDP. It would seem to me that running the Repeater into a > mono in/out unit (such as an EDP) would be sacrificing a lot of its > strong points... but of course that's just hypothetical speculation on > my part. > > I do seem to recall Mr. Torn saying that his EDP was indeed before the > Repeater, but I'll certainly defer to the man himself on that one. > > It is really interesting to see that the emerging consensus is largely > of the Repeater as an alternate looper with a new and different design > slant, as opposed to something that utterly and completely supplants the > previously existing units. Considering that the EDP dates back seven > years or so, that's saying a lot... > > Anyway. > > --A > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 04:26:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA18132; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 04:06:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 04:06:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010829075314.29924.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 00:53:14 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: A Repeater suggestion To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3B8C9239.EF66F153@altruistmusic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, as I stated before, the Againinator wet in my headphones & dry humped my cat. I wouldn't call it balanced; but, it was pretty well mixed up. John (got my Repeater from Alto on Monday. I've only had about an hour's free time to spend with it :( The pitch shifter sounds GREAT!!! ) --- Andre LaFosse wrote: > Yo Mark, > > The real question, though, is what sort of wet/dry > balance will be on > the Againinator?! > > --Andre LaFosse > http://www.altruistmusic.com > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 04:31:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA18324; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 04:14:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 04:14:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: Feature Comparison (Repeater & EDP) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 01:04:12 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can someone please give me an idea of what the EDP can do that the Repeater can not? I chose to spend my money on a Repeater (I should have it by next week) based on the multi-tracking and real-time loop features. But specifically, what can the EDP do that Repeater can not? And how does the JamMan compare? (it seems very limited by comparison, but solid as a simple delay/looper). The reason that I ask is that I am also considering picking up an MPX-1 for effects processing (partially because the R1 pedal board should work well with the Repeater - and partly because I'm sick of the mess of multiple floor pedals). I would even consider getting the G2 with a JamMan module to give me some delays and loops that I can send to the Repeater. I imagine that this would keep me busy for a while, but would I be missing out on other key looping features without the EDP in my rack? If so, what...? Thanks, Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 04:36:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA18302; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 04:13:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 04:13:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010829002517.044460e8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 00:57:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: no repeater wet/dry mix? that's silly. In-Reply-To: References: <999048756.3b8c4634cfe52@www.suitandtieguy.com> <999048756.3b8c4634cfe52@www.suitandtieguy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:33 PM 8/28/2001, Tom Ritchford wrote: >Eric Williamson wrote: >>no mix control: really really bad. it means i have to hit two switches >>instead >>of just one to route an instrument to the loop (the way i work, with a >>mixer). >>it also makes processing of loop feedback (i've really got into the whole >>loopfeedbackthroughpitchshift thing lately) damn near impossible. >> >>even if the mix control was only addressable in software, or was a simple >>selection between 50/50 or all wet, this would be a non-issue. > >YES -- this is exactly what I feel as well. I also use a mixer -- >I can't see how you can manage multiple effects units without >a mixer! -- and I always want all my effects to be all wet and no dry at all. >I can see that DJs would be much happier with that >because they'd play right THROUGH the unit -- you'd >use the output of the machine as your final mix! > >Guitarists and such would also play THROUGH the unit >and right into an amp. An observation here... I think what you guys using external mixers want is just 100% wet output, not a mix control. Oftentimes devices even have such a dedicated output. For a basic setup without a mixer, where you might just have something like Guitar -> looper -> amp, you are right you definitely want the direct sound to go through. But I think that is also where a mix knob is most handy. It does a simple version of what you guys are able to do with your mixer. (normally, anyway.) At some points you will want whatever you are playing to blend into the loop more, so you'll be wanting an even mix, and other times you might want the loop to be back a bit so you can solo over it, or maybe you want the loop louder so the new things you are adding are not so obvious until they are in the loop. For the people who don't have the refrigerator racks of doom that you guys use, the simple little mix knob does that for them. I'm not a dj, but I know they like to play with the crossfade a lot, which is also basically a mix knob. So I would think it's the same deal there. I haven't used a repeater, so I don't know, but it seems to me that with all those faders and the input level control you could manage just fine for these applications. In fact it may even be too much for the keep-it-simple set. When you are in the middle of a solo a simple mix control is probably a lot easier to deal with. but you do have options here. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 05:02:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA19342; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 04:42:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 04:42:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JohnFlem@aol.com Message-ID: <14f.18333c.28be0255@aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 04:31:17 EDT Subject: Re: Repeater Power Supply! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just got back from my first Live Gig with the Repeater. I was waiting to go on (another band was playing) and TO MY HORROR, I kept seeing the Repeater say "Starting" etc...and go through the boot up process! I was REALLY nervous...I checked the power connection to the back of the unit and checked to see that the plug was firmly in the wall. Turns out it was the connection IN THE MIDDLE of the power cord. Was just a little bit loose....... Beware! Plug it in all the way... jmp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 05:29:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA21559; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 05:09:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 05:09:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: faisalmoro@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010829002517.044460e8@loopers-delight.com> References: <999048756.3b8c4634cfe52@www.suitandtieguy.com> <999048756.3b8c4634cfe52@www.suitandtieguy.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20010829002517.044460e8@loopers-delight.com> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 10:58:53 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: faisal moro Subject: Re: no repeater wet/dry mix? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, basically i asked for a really common option: "Dry Signal" ON/OFF This is a fundamental requirement in the most audio routings. If the dry signal runs to the A/D converter and then it's reconverted thru the D/A one, it would be a quite simple task to add this feature to the OS of Repeater, as it is usually stored as General Settings, and it's not preset-relative, isn't so? Is this something to hope for the next future? TIA Doei Faisal >For a basic setup without a mixer, where you might just have >something like Guitar -> looper -> amp, you are right you >definitely want the direct sound to go through. But I think that is >also where a mix knob is most handy. It does a simple version of >what you guys are able to do with your mixer. (normally, anyway.) >At some points you will want whatever you are playing to blend into >the loop more, so you'll be wanting an even mix, and other times you >might want the loop to be back a bit so you can solo over it, or >maybe you want the loop louder so the new things you are adding are >not so obvious until they are in the loop. For the people who don't >have the refrigerator racks of doom that you guys use, the simple >little mix knob does that for them. > >I'm not a dj, but I know they like to play with the crossfade a lot, >which is also basically a mix knob. So I would think it's the same >deal there. > >I haven't used a repeater, so I don't know, but it seems to me that >with all those faders and the input level control you could manage >just fine for these applications. In fact it may even be too much >for the keep-it-simple set. When you are in the middle of a solo a >simple mix control is probably a lot easier to deal with. but you do >have options here. > >kim -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 05:53:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA22327; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 05:32:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 05:32:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 02:20:39 -0700 Subject: how... From: chipF To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <14f.18333c.28be0255@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com do I set it so I don;t get evry message in my inbox? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 06:05:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA22611; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 05:43:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 05:43:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: no repeater wet/dry mix? that's silly. Message-ID: <999077393.3b8cb611a846f@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 05:29:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Williamson References: <999048756.3b8c4634cfe52@www.suitandtieguy.com> <999048756.3b8c4634cfe52@www.suitandtieguy.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20010829002517.044460e8@loopers-delight.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010829002517.044460e8@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.5 X-Originating-IP: 216.166.195.90 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting Kim Flint : > An observation here... I think what you guys using external mixers want is > just 100% wet output, not a mix control. Oftentimes devices even have such > a dedicated output. absolutely. i never use the mix knob. i said "addressable in software" when i should have said "addressable through MIDI". two of the loopers which have passed in/out of my hands have had problems whereby i could only use their "wet" aspect. The RDS8K, which i sold but bought back when i realised how cool it was, came to me from Daddy's Junky Music like that. The Echoplex had a fucked mix knob and being out of warranty i decided it would be cheaper to bypass the pot on the board using a jumper wire. considering it was no longer my echoplex, this was not the best thing to do. sorry kevin. send me the bill when you get around to it. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 06:43:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA25062; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 06:23:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 06:23:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: how... Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 03:12:49 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <7_hTpC.A.tAG.l9Lj7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Go to the help menu and do a search for "mail filters" if you are using Netscape. If you are using Outlook, go to the Tools menu and select 'organize' and set it up. Basically you want to create a separate folder for the looper list and route mail to that folder. Outlook calls it a 'rule' and Netscape calls it a 'filter'. It's not too complicated to set up. -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: chipF [mailto:chippo100@mediaone.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 2:21 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: how... do I set it so I don;t get evry message in my inbox? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 07:11:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA25770; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 06:50:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 06:50:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <130.cbf646.28be2006@aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 06:37:58 EDT Subject: Re: RD: Digitech RDS-3600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 23 Resent-Message-ID: <-WmM4C.A.2MG.JYMj7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i had one of these as my 1st looper. they are fun but can drift a lot when holding a loop. this can be a good or a bad thing depending on your perspective. =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 07:12:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA25773; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 06:50:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 06:50:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Cataldo De Palma" To: Subject: R: EDP for Sale on EBAY Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 12:31:26 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com congratulations first of all for the baby, but I wouldn't save everything if I were in your shoes. bye the way, I would like to buy another EDP, I got one but I'm working on a stereo guitar and I'd like a stereo loop. what about the price ? not to be rude but I have to deal with my little finances. Ciao Aldo -----Messaggio originale----- Da: John Schumacher [mailto:jfs@us.ibm.com] Inviato: venerdì 24 agosto 2001 23.11 A: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Oggetto: EDP for Sale on EBAY My wife and I had a baby a couple of months ago and my home studio space has become a nursery with me having little time or space left to play and need for cash for other priorities. I have been selling off most of my gear and after much debate I putting up for sale one of my favorite pieces of equipment, a Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro (EDP) with the foot controller. If interested here is the URL for the auction on ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1458999533 Thanks, John From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 08:47:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA31805; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 08:27:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 08:27:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010829081054.007e1d30@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 08:10:54 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: how... In-Reply-To: References: <14f.18333c.28be0255@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <0a3AnC.A.QoH.kyNj7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You could unsubscribe and then read the messages at the LD site, but if you want to be able to post you need to be subscribed. Another option would be to opt for digest, but that's no fun... -t At 02:20 AM 8/29/01 -0700, you wrote: >do I set it so I don;t get evry message in my inbox? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 08:54:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA32077; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 08:33:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 08:33:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 08:22:16 -0400 Subject: Re: R: EDP for Sale on EBAY From: John Schumacher To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry the EDP sold within a few minutes of being posted to this news group. There should be a new looper-delight member asking lots of questions by this evening : ) John On 8/29/01 6:31 AM, "Cataldo De Palma" wrote: > congratulations first of all for the baby, but I wouldn't save everything if > I were in your shoes. > bye the way, I would like to buy another EDP, > I got one but I'm working on a stereo guitar and I'd like a stereo loop. > what about the price ? not to be rude but I have to deal with my little > finances. > Ciao > Aldo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 09:38:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA02333; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 09:18:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 09:18:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8CE8C1.DE3B7C02@pathcom.com> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 09:06:10 -0400 From: hutton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: SimpleTech 128mb formatting Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anyone had any success Formatting the SimpleTech 128mb. It does not seem to want to work with the Repeater. ..... So far it will not even force format. P/N:STI-CF/128 Any assistance is welcomed Thanks ......... Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 10:53:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08044; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 10:32:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 10:32:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "muman" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 07:23:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Syncing the EDP to the Repeater Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all, I'm having a problem syncing the EDP to the Repeater. I read the FAQ and tried a number of different settings, but the EDP still drifts. I should mention that all my other gear syncs without fail. Here is the last setting I tried: SwitchQuant = CYC Quantize = On Sync = IN 8ths/beat = 8 If anyone has any insight to this problem, please let me know. Thanks. Louis Hesselt-van-Dinter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 10:55:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08142; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 10:35:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 10:35:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3B8C6E6C.6D99AE97@altruistmusic.com> References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB79B@migarexch01.maritz.com> <3B8C6E6C.6D99AE97@altruistmusic.com> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 10:19:39 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: A Repeater suggestion Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:24 PM -0700 8/28/01, Andre LaFosse wrote: >When was the last time you saw individual track wet/dry mixes on >an ADAT or a reel-to-reel tape recorder? Well, my DA-88 lets you switch whether or not you monitor the inputs, outputs or neither. Reel-to-reel tape decks do that too... /t .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 11:47:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12153; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 11:26:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 11:26:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010829110826.035c44d0@pop1.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 11:14:54 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: Re: A Repeater suggestion In-Reply-To: <3B8C9239.EF66F153@altruistmusic.com> References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB79F@migarexch01.maritz.com> <3B8C883B.F48FB906@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:56 AM 8/29/2001, you wrote: >I do think there's a certain dichotomy starting to emerge in terms of >feature sets, with the Repeater more geared towards multi-track-style >recording, panning, processing, and storage of stereo audio, and the EDP >more geared towards live, spontaneous interactive performance and >in-depth sample editing between the input and the looper. I don't own a Repeater (yet) but from studying the manual I think the Repeater will be an amazing instrument to use live. This is why I am buying one. The extra DSP features are useful if you need them, but you can choose to not use them if you want. I can even see using them live. But keep in mind, when I play live I am seated and composing sequenced tracks and loops on Logic, not standing playing a guitar. I can't assess the Repeater as a live instrument for guitar-only use. Regardless, both instruments afford the musician a common set of tools albeit with a different user interface. Perhaps this will start a user interface war a-la mac os vs. windoze? I think time will tell. When all of us Repeater-craving users have one in our system and have used it extensively it should become clearer how the tool can best be used. The issue of no wet/dry mix does concern me however. This seems to me like an over-sight on the design. Electrix? care to comment? what's the rationale behind this? plexus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 12:44:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16394; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 12:22:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 12:22:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8D1316.60E2F9CC@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 09:06:46 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: A Repeater suggestion References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB79B@migarexch01.maritz.com> <3B8C6E6C.6D99AE97@altruistmusic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm really sorry but I can't get behind the nicey nice "everything is beautiful in it's own way" mentality going on about the wet/dry mix issue. We're not talking about some oddball feature, like being able to "slip" tracks of a loop (which I admit is a cool feature). We're talking about basic design here. The argument that it's supposed to be a hardware version of ACID doesn't fly either. ACID as far as I know, doesn't record you in real time and drop you into a loop. I know nothing is "perfect" and we're dealing with the first release of a complex piece of gear, but that doesn't mean there wasn't an oversight made by Electrix. I don't know about the rest of you, but when they contacted me about features, I said "The footcontrol HAS to have access to wet/dry mix and loop fade rate. Is that a lot to ask? I don't really think so. If you bought a car that didn't let you shift into reverse without turning off the car and restarting it, you'd make due. I'd bet you'd opt not to buy the car though, or if you couldn't, you wouldn't buy another car from that company in the future. Wet/Dry mix a universally useful feature, as decades of gear design have proven. No need to change for the sake of being new or quirky. How many of you like the fact that VCR manufactures have taken the menu functions off your VCR and make them accessible only by the remote? NO ONE. OK, I'm getting off the track, but you get the idea. I also don't buy the "get one of each!" mentality. Sure, in a perfect world I'd have enough cash to have every single piece of gear ever made in my mansion, and a second of each for my yacht. However, the CEO announced at our monthly staff meeting that if things continue as they have been, 10% pay reductions are around the corner. (anyone need to hire an AfterEffects/Flash/Director/Photoshop guy?) One of the nice things about this golden age of looping is that it's no longer a technique of the wealthy. So if Daemon is reading this, go over to your engineers and say, "When can this be done?" and I swear I'll be first in line to pay for an OS update. Mark Sottilaro Tom Ritchford wrote: > At 9:24 PM -0700 8/28/01, Andre LaFosse wrote: > >When was the last time you saw individual track wet/dry mixes on > >an ADAT or a reel-to-reel tape recorder? > > Well, my DA-88 lets you switch whether or not you monitor > the inputs, outputs or neither. Reel-to-reel tape decks > do that too... > > /t > > .........a new fortune every minute. > ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 13:05:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17982; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 12:45:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 12:45:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010829163333.42090.qmail@web12005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 09:33:33 -0700 (PDT) From: philip raath Subject: Re: artifacts To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200108291005.GAA24451@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i do similar things with a boss dd-5, and then run it into the rang. i've come up with some bad ass rythm loops just by running a long delay (which is 2 secs on the dd-5) w/feedback at 100%, layering it up, and then just destroying it by tweaking the delay time. then add some more layers, and continue tweaking. the purpose is random and scary rythm loops. i'll also unplug the guitar and scrape the end of the chord around on my head, picking up the bristly sounds of a buzz cut. then i tweak the delay time until it's a super cool rythm pattern. i often use very short delay times for this, getting kind of a ring mod effect. take care, phil g-girl wrote: > Well, OK, one thing I like to do with the DL-4 is > to record a short loop > with the shorter delay in loop mode before actually > engaging the longer > loop function. then, once I've got that going, I'll > turn the delay time > knob all the way to one end, than the other, and > then settle at the longest > setting, which gives a really wild somewhat random > rhythmically undulating > noise which works incredibly wonderfullly for a beat > to play and loop over. > The original tones are all but gone and they're > replaced with their > artifact-ridden ghosts. It can be pretty > amazing!... > I'll then engage the loop function to record > what's playing, and then > once that's done, eliminate the first delay, and > continue adding layers or > textures over the basic rhythm. > > Smiles, > > G-Girl > ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 13:07:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18157; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 12:47:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 12:47:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 09:36:42 -0700 From: "Miko Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: A Repeater suggestion Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA17446 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark >> Yeah, but put in a wet/dry mix control, like every other pro effect processor every made. Andre > This gets into the whole issue of, "What is a looper SUPPOSED to do? Is it SUPPOSED to operate like a pro effects processor?" With all due respect Andre, this is a system integration problem. EVERYONE using a mixer and bussing the looper on an aux send is going to have this problem, and provide a workaround to solve it. Managing multiple inputs/instruments/voices usually involves a mixer. Someone at the board at a show who would like to add a looper for post processing will have problems with the lack of a wet/dry mix control. Granted the Repeater has an awesome feature set... They are cutting off simple integration of their product to a very LARGE user group. A question for DT... how are you patching it? Andre > On the other hand, if someone's approaching it from a multi-track recording perspective, and looking at Repeater as being a portable, hardware extension of a program like ACID, then things like wet/dry mixes and feedback functions won't be an issue, because those features don't have anything to do with multitrack recording. In the multi-track paradigm, most multi-track studios manage their dsp's/loopers etc using the same fx buss / aux buss architecture most mixers are designed with. ACID is a DAW multi-track with it's own limitations etc. Mix seems like a simple OBVIOUS function. Why was it left off? Damon? Andre > And beyond that, if there WERE a wet/dry control on Repeater, how should it be implemented? Should there be a universal balance that affects all four tracks uniformly? Should each channel have its own discrete balance? Should there be both? If so, how should they interact? A universal balance. That way it WORKS on an aux send of a mixer. This is basic, studio setup stuff here. Andre > I do think there's a certain dichotomy starting to emerge in terms of feature sets, with the Repeater more geared towards multi-track-style recording, panning, processing, and storage of stereo audio, and the EDP more geared towards live, spontaneous interactive performance and in-depth sample editing between the input and the looper. Once again. Conventional Multi-Track style is typically the usual aux send sorta deal, which asks for 100% wet operation. Standard studio practice. This is the reason I don't use Vortexes, and Line 6 DL4, as much as I love them both. I'm not willing to either jettison my mixer, or ADD more gear to deal with managing feedback and volume jumps due to having dry signal present in something on an aux send. I've dealt with it many, many times, and it's a pain in the butt. > I think this sort of issue is interesting, since it re-opens the whole issue of what a looper should or should not have. Some people will no doubt find it a serious set-back. Others won't ever miss it. If I were selling a product and KNEW I'd lose users due to a simple oversight, I'd clear that up. If Electrix is listening, I'm adding my request for wet/dry mix as well as single button press to go from record to overdub. This is also a serious ommision. Miko Biffle - Miko.Biffle@asml.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 13:17:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18633; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 12:57:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 12:57:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012401c130aa$cb57ff80$0301000a@vaio> Reply-To: "Kevin Goldsmith" From: "Kevin Goldsmith" To: References: <3B8CE8C1.DE3B7C02@pathcom.com> Subject: Re: SimpleTech 128mb formatting Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 09:40:49 -0700 Organization: Unit Circle Media MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Aug 2001 16:45:32.0787 (UTC) FILETIME=[04E67430:01C130AA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just formatted a SimpleTech 128M card about 5 minutes ago on the repeater, no problems. KEvin Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "hutton" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 6:06 AM Subject: SimpleTech 128mb formatting > Has anyone had any success Formatting the SimpleTech 128mb. > It does not seem to want to work with the Repeater. ..... So far it > will not even force format. P/N:STI-CF/128 > Any assistance is welcomed > Thanks ......... Chris > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 13:28:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20366; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 13:08:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 13:08:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010829095501.01bc77b0@mulder.intermag.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.midiwall.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 09:55:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: SimpleTech 128mb formatting Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hutton (06:06 AM 08.29.2001) wrote: >Has anyone had any success Formatting the SimpleTech 128mb. >It does not seem to want to work with the Repeater. ..... So far it >will not even force format. P/N:STI-CF/128 >Any assistance is welcomed Any chance that you happened to get it inserted upside down and power up the machine? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 13:44:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21204; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 13:23:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 13:23:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.194.140.131] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: more RepeaTer 1st impressions Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 10:11:56 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Aug 2001 17:11:57.0248 (UTC) FILETIME=[B5500400:01C130AD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >- no way to go direct from initial record pass immediately into > overdub: >this prevents you from laying down an initial loop w/ sound which > >sustains >through the endpoint. ....OUCH! am i reading this correctly? so only 'bounded' loops are possible, i.e. silence at startpoint, silence at endpoint? this would be a major limitation. almost cannot believe this is true - this is a looping device, not a sampler, right? nic _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 13:46:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21382; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 13:26:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 13:26:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010829163333.42090.qmail@web12005.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010829163333.42090.qmail@web12005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 09:54:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: artifacts Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i've been using the analog delay setting the dl4 to open up a collaborative piece i'm working on. turn the mix down all the way, so you can't hear anything. turn the delay time to 0, and the regen up all the way. If you do this with the mix up, you can hear the dl4 start it's self oscillation whine. however, you've got your mix down. then, sloooooowly start to turn the delay time knob until max, then maybe go back and forth slowly to add some changes and rhythms (or a couple of quick turns add some interesting 'spikes', too). now you can slowly bring the mix up to hear your random creation. i've been using it for very deep rumblings and ambience in our opening piece. i've used that 'remove the guitar cord' thing too, but it doesn't seem to do much on my long hair (still long...i'm waiting for the fashion curve to come around again...i'm so far behind i'm actually ahead! ) seeya, rich >i do similar things with a boss dd-5, and then run it >into the rang. i've come up with some bad ass rythm >loops just by running a long delay (which is 2 secs on >the dd-5) w/feedback at 100%, layering it up, and then >just destroying it by tweaking the delay time. then >add some more layers, and continue tweaking. the >purpose is random and scary rythm loops. i'll also >unplug the guitar and scrape the end of the chord >around on my head, picking up the bristly sounds of a >buzz cut. then i tweak the delay time until it's a >super cool rythm pattern. i often use very short delay >times for this, getting kind of a ring mod effect. > >take care, > >phil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 14:03:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22679; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 13:43:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 13:43:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Repeater - First Impressions Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 10:33:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually it is possible to change Pitch and Time with Repeater together via MIDI. >Any impressions on the usability of the pitch and >time-stretch features? I am particularly interested >if it is possible to change the tempo of a loop and >have the pitch change correspondingly (like the EH 16 >sec delay, PCM-42, old Digitech stuff, etc.) Thanks. Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 14:19:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25036; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:02:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:02:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8D2AD6.DEE7D518@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 10:48:06 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: more RepeaTer 1st impressions References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have the same limitation with the JamMan. You can get around it by, as someone else on the list said, by "priming" a loop. In other words, start a loop, but don't play anything into it. Then, open it back up and play all you want, sustain o rama. It sure would be nice if you didn't have to do it that way though. Mark Nic Roozeboom wrote: > >- no way to go direct from initial record pass immediately into > overdub: > >this prevents you from laying down an initial loop w/ sound which > > >sustains > >through the endpoint. > > ....OUCH! am i reading this correctly? so only 'bounded' loops are possible, > i.e. silence at startpoint, silence at endpoint? this would be a major > limitation. almost cannot believe this is true - this is a looping device, > not a sampler, right? > > nic > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 14:22:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25035; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:02:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:02:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: more RepeaTer 1st impressions Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 10:49:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >- no way to go direct from initial record pass immediately into > overdub: >this prevents you from laying down an initial loop w/ sound which > >sustains >through the endpoint. >....OUCH! am i reading this correctly? so only 'bounded' loops are possible, >i.e. silence at startpoint, silence at endpoint? this would be a major >limitation. almost cannot believe this is true - this is a looping device, >not a sampler, right? No! not at all. What's being described is the ability to just define the loop length but continue to overdub without having to ever leave record. This is very handy for creating smooth drones etc. In some cases you might only have one bar of source material available and you want to loop it with a reverb or delay on it. In this case (if you couldn't just play the source for two bars and record the last bar) you would have to record it once dry and then use resample to record in the reverb tail or delay into the loop. Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 14:33:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25507; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:12:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:12:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: no repeater wet/dry mix? Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 11:02:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, we did approach Repeater more like a recording device than an FX processor. This is partly why the input mute is missing from this first version. I say input mute because wet/dry mix isn't what is needed for the broad use of this feature. I admit, it is an oversight and believe me we hit ourselves in the head when we realized this. All I can say is we are looking at it for the next OS release. 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------_=_NextPart_001_01C130B7.96F91820-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 14:57:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26798; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:36:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:36:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: no repeater wet/dry mix? Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 11:23:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just to clarify we are talking about an input mute (on/off) that only mutes the input from the output so you can still record the input without passing it through the box (via MIDI and a special button press)...right? Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 15:00:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26953; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:39:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:39:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 11:31:09 -0700 Subject: Re: how... From: chipF To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5WF6BB.A.SaG.LSTj7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey thanks on 8/29/01 3:12 AM, Tim Goodwin at deepbass6@earthlink.net wrote: > Go to the help menu and do a search for "mail filters" if you are using > Netscape. If you are using Outlook, go to the Tools menu and select > 'organize' and set it up. Basically you want to create a separate folder > for the looper list and route mail to that folder. Outlook calls it a > 'rule' and Netscape calls it a 'filter'. It's not too complicated to set > up. > > -- > Tim > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: chipF [mailto:chippo100@mediaone.net] > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 2:21 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: how... > > > do I set it so I don;t get evry message in my inbox? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 15:14:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27590; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:53:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:53:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8D375A.DA5C7019@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 11:41:31 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: no repeater wet/dry mix? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com that's great. I'm still very psyched about getting one! So much so that I might bale on the group purchase and try and find one locally! Wooo! Mark Sottilaro "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" wrote: > Yes, we did approach Repeater more like a recording device than an FX > processor. This is partly why the input mute is missing from this first > version. I say input mute because wet/dry mix isn't what is needed for the > broad use of this feature. I admit, it is an oversight and believe me we hit > ourselves in the head when we realized this. All I can say is we are looking > at it for the next OS release. > > Respect, > > Damon Langlois > Creative Director > Electrix > Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 > http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 15:17:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27848; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:57:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:57:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:42:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200108291842.OAA08389@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: RE: no repeater wet/dry mix? X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 66.9.67.98 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Yes, we did approach Repeater more like a recording device than an FX > processor. This is partly why the input mute is missing from this first > version. I say input mute because wet/dry mix isn't what is needed for the > broad use of this feature. I admit, it is an oversight and believe me we hit > ourselves in the head when we realized this. All I can say is we are looking > at it for the next OS release. Input mute would be fine as far as I am concerned. If you can fix it in software, then we are all happy campers and all is golden! Thanks for the fast and clear reply... /t -- I am the wombat. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 15:27:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29546; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 15:07:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 15:07:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 13:55:11 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: no repeater wet/dry mix? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <03ef01c130bc$218f7840$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i suggest we need the option of mute, no mute and 'smart' mute where the input is muted except when recording or overdubbing. this is how the multitrack decks i've worked with handled this. (they all referred to it as 'input monitor' not 'input mute') this would be much more useful than a mix knob, imo... > Yes, we did approach Repeater more like a recording device than an FX > processor. This is partly why the input mute is missing from this first > version. I say input mute because wet/dry mix isn't what is needed for the > broad use of this feature. I admit, it is an oversight and believe me we hit > ourselves in the head when we realized this. All I can say is we are looking > at it for the next OS release. > > > Respect, > > Damon Langlois > Creative Director > Electrix > Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 > http://www.electrixpro.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 15:36:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30009; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 15:14:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 15:14:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002a01c130cf$64a0ae20$69789818@vtr.net> From: "Daniel" To: Cc: , Subject: Fw: Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 15:13:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0027_01C1309D.19A188E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C1309D.19A188E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ren=E9=20 To: Bowie-List@yahoogroups.com ; Zueko ; Leo ; Matt Dunphy=20 Cc: Rodrigo S=E1ez ; felipe=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 3:12 PM http://beam.at/radiowebring the remix contest is still on and you can click on the link at the = bottom of the page in order to dld the original loop to make your remix ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C1309D.19A188E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C1309D.19A188E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 15:36:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30104; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 15:14:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 15:14:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010829115701.01c995b0@mulder.intermag.com> X-Sender: mpulver@mulder.intermag.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 12:01:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: no repeater wet/dry mix? In-Reply-To: <03ef01c130bc$218f7840$080210ac@jpalmer> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jim palmer (11:55 AM 08.29.2001) wrote: >i suggest we need the option of mute, no mute and 'smart' mute >where the input is muted except when recording or overdubbing. But, with Repeater in the effects sends, this would still cause feedback issues when recording. Having the option to run this way would be nice though. >this is how the multitrack decks i've worked with handled this. >(they all referred to it as 'input monitor' not 'input mute') The reason this method works on a deck is that you usually don't have the outputs of the deck feeding back into a live (unmuted) console channel or return. They're heading straight out into the mains through an insert or to a subgroup that's isolated from the sends feeding the deck. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 15:42:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30598; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 15:26:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 15:26:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:16:36 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: more RepeaTer 1st impressions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <041e01c130bf$1fa83a50$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com can't this be addressed in software? just allow pressing the overdub button to end the first record and go into overdub. or pressing record a second time (since overdub is a toggle) and pressing play after record could end record without overdubbing. > >- no way to go direct from initial record pass immediately into > overdub: > >this prevents you from laying down an initial loop w/ sound which > > >sustains > >through the endpoint. > > >....OUCH! am i reading this correctly? so only 'bounded' loops are > possible, > >i.e. silence at startpoint, silence at endpoint? this would be a major > >limitation. almost cannot believe this is true - this is a looping device, > >not a sampler, right? > > > No! not at all. What's being described is the ability to just define the > loop length but continue to overdub without having to ever leave record. > This is very handy for creating smooth drones etc. In some cases you might > only have one bar of source material available and you want to loop it with > a reverb or delay on it. In this case (if you couldn't just play the source > for two bars and record the last bar) you would have to record it once dry > and then use resample to record in the reverb tail or delay into the loop. > > > Respect, > > Damon Langlois > Creative Director > Electrix > Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 > http://www.electrixpro.com > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 15:45:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30564; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 15:25:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 15:25:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 15:10:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200108291910.PAA10142@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: RE: no repeater wet/dry mix? X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 66.9.67.98 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Damon wrote: > Just to clarify we are talking about an input mute (on/off) that only mutes > the input from the output so you can still record the input without passing > it through the box for me personally, this is all I need. it'd be nice if I didn't have to reset this parameter every time I started up... > (via MIDI and a special button press)...right? MIDI OR a special button press, I hope -- I'd hate to have to send MIDI AND press a button at the same time! /t -- I am the wombat. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 16:06:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31701; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 15:44:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 15:44:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.1.20010829152413.009fbb10@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: taghairm@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 15:30:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: p koniuto Subject: RE: no repeater wet/dry mix? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wasn't expecting to control my Repeater via MIDI, so if there would be a way to access this from the front panel, that would be great. Also, i'd like to vote LOUDLY for an option to establish the loop boundary by going into overdub. This was my biggest gripe with the Jamman, which could only do it in delay mode. Is this an option for the upgrade (which i'll admit i feel silly discussing since the machine has been out for only a few weeks and i haven't even received mine yet...)? I would be using this feature *often*. Thanks, peter At 11:23 AM 8/29/01 -0700, you wrote: >Just to clarify we are talking about an input mute (on/off) that only mutes >the input from the output so you can still record the input without passing >it through the box (via MIDI and a special button press)...right? > > >Respect, > >Damon Langlois >Creative Director >Electrix >Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 >http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 16:24:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01508; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:03:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:03:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010829195205.90119.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 12:52:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Martin Subject: Re: Repeater suggestions and criticisms To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <_V5DQD.A.Y4H.nfUj7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com After reading the ongoing discussion/rants about the lack of certain features on the Repeater, I'd like to offer this point of view as someone who doesn't have either a Repeater or an EDP (I loop primarily with a Boomerang, old OS). The underlying theme I'm hearing in these comments is "This box doesn't do things the way I'm used to doing them." Guess what? Bass guitars don't do things the way 6-string guitars do, either. Ever tried Travis picking on a bass? Or slapping and popping on a Strat? Granted, you can do a halfassed approximation of both, but it ain't the same. Why not? Because those are techniques idiosyncratic to their individual instruments. The idea that loopers are new musical instruments is an old one in this forum; an examination of the archives will confirm this. If it's true, then we have to think of looping gear in the same terms that we think of regular instruments. This leads us to a few key ideas: 1. Different loopers are different. A bass is not a guitar; an EDP is not a Boomerang is not a Repeater, no matter how similar they appear. 2. The instruments we play have a profound impact on the music that we make, and form the primary frame of reference for relating to new instruments. I'm a guitarist, and when I pick up a bass, the first thing I do is try to play it like a guitar. Realizing that this is not the optimum way to approach the instrument, I have to adjust my thinking and playing to match the strengths of the instrument. My first looper was an Akai Headrush, followed by the Boomerang. Neither of these has a true wet/dry mix control, nor can they go from recording directly into overdubbing (under the original Boomerang OS, which I still have). I don't miss these features, because the instruments on which I learned to loop do not have them, and thus my looping style does not incorporate these elements. Using a "delay-style" looper, such as the Digitech RDS series (which I owned briefly) requires me to make a big adjustment in the way I think about looping, which may not ultimately serve my playing (that's why I don't own one anymore). 3. While it's perfectly legit to ask for features that you particularly like to be added to a new instrument, one should be careful of assumptions that the lack of these features constitutes a "flaw." This is a subjective judgement, based on the requirements of your particular style of playing. To assume that the agenda of instrument builders is the same as those of instrument players is at best naive. I realize that Electrix went out of their way to solicit our desired feature lists and get our feedback; at the end of the day, however, the Repeater is THEIR vision, not ours. Whether we find it useful for our application is a separate question from whether it fulfills the purpose for which it was designed. Before we fly off the handle about the perceived flaws in the Repeater feature set, maybe we should let the Electrix crew defend their instrument in terms of its intended application. Peace! ===== And if it's up to us to bring some balance back Let it not be said it's courage that we lack -Gaia Consort, "Cry Freedom" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 16:29:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01712; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:08:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:08:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 13:01:27 -0700 Subject: Yet even more Repeater 1st impressions, requests From: Kevin Goldsmith To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Got my Repeater last night from the good folks at Alto. Yipee!! I was happy to see that I got the limited edition backwards memory card which I will someday re-sell on Ebay for a zillion dollars. This is definitely a very powerful box. I was hoping that it would completely replace all my other loopers (EDP, Headrush, Boomerang, DL4) for my live work, but it doesn't look like that will be the case. I'll probably still need at least one or two others so I can have non-synchronized loops (which I use all the time). I knew this limitation before I got it though, so I wasn't disappointed. Is the Electrix foot controller still planned? I'm not going to bother buying a different foot controller unless I need to. The three button is probably not going to do it for me, and I'm not keen on getting a big MIDI foot controller just for the Repeater. I was pleasantly surprised how easy it was to get started on the box. I was recording 4 channel loops without touching the manual. When I read the manual, I was amazed at how much functionality was there. Here's my requests and minor complaints that I haven't already seen on the list: ON/OFF button! - I'm not sure the reasoning on why this isn't there. For live work, it doesn't matter so much, but in my studio, in a rack, it's going to be on always, even if I'm not going to use it. A front panel on/off switch would be really nice for studio work. I already have this problem with my MoFX and Filter Factory with their rear On/Off switches. The Sleep feature is nice, but it's going to be a pain to have to Sleep the box every time I power up my rack. Damon has already addressed this issue, but I'll just add myself to list of people that would like a wet/dry mix on it. I think using the insert as an input mute will work fine when the box is on the aux sends of a mixer, although a little cumbersome. My only major disappointment is that you can't edit WAV files on your mac or PC and then drop them on the card and have the repeater discover them. I was hoping that it would be the case. I haven't tried recording a loop and then editing on the PC and putting it back on the card, but I'm hoping this would work (will it?). MAJOR REQUEST: It'd be most excellent if Electrix would publish their proprietary file formats so that one of us could write a program to publish pre-recorded loops onto the memory card. I'm hoping that Electrix is already planning this program (their developers must have made one while working on the box), but if not, I'd gladly write it. OTHER MAJOR REQUEST: I was hoping that I could Re-Sample One Loop to another. This would be a great feature. I'd rather ReSample a 4-Channel Loop to a new loop than replace 2 of the channels on my existing loop. This should be pretty easy to fix in an upgrade. Kevin -- Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 16:43:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02106; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:21:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:21:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8D4BFA.F624E1D9@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 13:09:30 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: no repeater wet/dry mix? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes that would work. About the wet/dry mix issue. It's true that you can control the volume of each "track" right? and with a volume pedel, you can control the input, obviously. So if you can just mute input from output, we should be golden, as wet/dry mix can be handled by controling track volume. True, one function that could control wet/dry mix would be sweet, but I could live with this fix. BTW, I go and pick up my Repeater at Banana's At Large in San Rafael, CA tonight. Wooooo hoooo! Mark Sottilaro "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" wrote: > Just to clarify we are talking about an input mute (on/off) that only mutes > the input from the output so you can still record the input without passing > it through the box (via MIDI and a special button press)...right? > > Respect, > > Damon Langlois > Creative Director > Electrix > Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 > http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 16:49:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02332; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:29:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:29:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010829130529.01b3bc50@mulder.intermag.com> X-Sender: mpulver@mulder.intermag.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 13:15:28 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Yet even more Repeater 1st impressions, requests In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kevin Goldsmith (01:01 PM 08.29.2001) wrote: >ON/OFF button! - I'm not sure the reasoning on why this isn't there. For >live work, it doesn't matter so much, but in my studio, in a rack, it's >going to be on always, even if I'm not going to use it. A front panel >on/off switch would be really nice for studio work. I already have this >problem with my MoFX and Filter Factory with their rear On/Off switches. >The Sleep feature is nice, but it's going to be a pain to have to Sleep the >box every time I power up my rack. I have a lot of gear which either doesn't have a power switch at all or it's not accessible. My fix is to run everything from a Juice Goose isolator which is a single rack space box that also provides surge and over-voltage protection. A handy front panel power switch on the Juice Goose kills everything in the rack(s) at once. >My only major disappointment is that you can't edit WAV files on your mac or >PC and then drop them on the card and have the repeater discover them. ??? You can... Page 33 in the PDF manual. >I >was hoping that it would be the case. I haven't tried recording a loop and >then editing on the PC and putting it back on the card, but I'm hoping this >would work (will it?). Yeup, in regards to raw audio. Data that Repeater uses for time and pitch manipulation along with some other info is stored in a proprietary format. If you modify the raw audio file, then any pointers that the support files have back into the main file may not line up. That can be "interesting", but may not be musical. Repeater does this on purpose to be able to support UNDO and generally always have a reference back to the original data. If you want to capture the time/pitch shifting that Repeater has done on a track, then you will need to resample that track into a clean one, thus creating a new track who's base .WAV file is shifted. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 17:04:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02858; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:44:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:44:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Yet even more Repeater 1st impressions, requests Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 13:32:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <7e28jB.A.rm.eFVj7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >OTHER MAJOR REQUEST: I was hoping that I could Re-Sample One Loop to >another. This would be a great feature. I'd rather ReSample a 4-Channel >Loop to a new loop than replace 2 of the channels on my existing loop. This >should be pretty easy to fix in an upgrade. You could copy the loop to a new location and then resample it. Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 17:08:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03468; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:49:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:49:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010829163434.035d74c8@pop1.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:35:52 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: Re: Yet even more Repeater 1st impressions, requests In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010829130529.01b3bc50@mulder.intermag.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:15 PM 8/29/2001, you wrote: > >I > >was hoping that it would be the case. I haven't tried recording a loop and > >then editing on the PC and putting it back on the card, but I'm hoping this > >would work (will it?). > >Yeup, in regards to raw audio. Data that Repeater uses for time and pitch >manipulation along with some other info is stored in a proprietary format. >If you modify the raw audio file, then any pointers that the support files >have back into the main file may not line up. That can be "interesting", >but may not be musical. I am confused. I thought one could create a WAV on a computer and copy to the CF card and loop it on the Repeater. Is this not the case? What exactly can you do as far as WAVs and the CF card. Only archive on a computer? plexus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 17:13:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03583; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:51:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:51:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 13:43:50 -0700 Subject: Re: Yet even more Repeater 1st impressions, requests From: Kevin Goldsmith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010829130529.01b3bc50@mulder.intermag.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > A handy front panel power switch on the Juice Goose kills everything in the > rack(s) at once. > Yes, I have several furman power units. I have a lot of rack gear. I'm usually only using a few boxes in a session and so I don't have my entire rack powered on by my power conditioners. I prefer to turn on only the boxes I'm going to use in a session to save power and wear on the machines. > >> My only major disappointment is that you can't edit WAV files on your mac or >> PC and then drop them on the card and have the repeater discover them. > > ??? You can... Page 33 in the PDF manual. > I read the real manual this morning and didn't notice anything about this. I might have missed it. > Yeup, in regards to raw audio. Data that Repeater uses for time and pitch > manipulation along with some other info is stored in a proprietary format. > If you modify the raw audio file, then any pointers that the support files > have back into the main file may not line up. That can be "interesting", > but may not be musical. > > Repeater does this on purpose to be able to support UNDO and generally > always have a reference back to the original data. If you want to capture > the time/pitch shifting that Repeater has done on a track, then you will > need to resample that track into a clean one, thus creating a new track > who's base .WAV file is shifted. > That's nice and all, but I want to take a loop I've created in Logic or Cool Edit and then have them available to me on the Repeater without going through the repeater inputs. Kevin -- Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 17:18:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03731; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:57:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:57:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: more RepeaTer 1st impressions Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 13:40:16 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <041e01c130bf$1fa83a50$080210ac@jpalmer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just got my Repeater yesterday. Short time to effuse here: Finally got to play with it. This device is amazing!! In conjunction with the EFX inserts and those cool Electrix effects, there is serious groundbreaking sonic mahem to be had. Pitch, slip, sync, tempo change is great. I just played my K2000, with ER1 sync into it, multitracked, tried all the features, saved to the CFC. It was well worth the 'hype' and wait... Neil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 17:23:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04985; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:03:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:03:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010829134352.01cc5950@mulder.intermag.com> X-Sender: mpulver@mulder.intermag.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 13:49:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Yet even more Repeater 1st impressions, requests In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010829130529.01b3bc50@mulder.intermag.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <3d9gb.A.e2.gVVj7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kevin Goldsmith (01:43 PM 08.29.2001) wrote: >>> My only major disappointment is that you can't edit WAV files on >>> your mac or PC and then drop them on the card and have the repeater >>> discover them. >> >> ??? You can... Page 33 in the PDF manual. >> >I read the real manual this morning and didn't notice anything about this. >I might have missed it. Damon just whacked me offline. The feature was delayed from the release code. But, (in a whisper), I'd be curious to know what happens if you _do_ edit a WAV file that's on the CFC... Don't let Damon know though... :) >...I want to take a loop I've created in Logic or Cool >Edit and then have them available to me on the Repeater without going >through the repeater inputs. Right... That's the other side of the fun. :) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 17:27:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05116; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:06:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:06:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:54:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200108292054.QAA16650@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: Yet even more Repeater 1st impressions, requests X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 66.9.67.98 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > My only major disappointment is that you can't edit WAV files on your mac or > PC and then drop them on the card and have the repeater discover them. I > was hoping that it would be the case. I haven't tried recording a loop and > then editing on the PC and putting it back on the card, but I'm hoping this > would work (will it?). MAJOR REQUEST: It'd be most excellent if Electrix > would publish their proprietary file formats so that one of us could write a > program to publish pre-recorded loops onto the memory card. I'm hoping that > Electrix is already planning this program (their developers must have made > one while working on the box), but if not, I'd gladly write it. Now, I got the impression from reading the manual that this could be done, that the unit reads standard .WAV files. You need to name them according to the simple convention set out in the manual but then the unit recognizes them... Hmm. My new look at the newer manual gets me to page 32... which talks about the proprietary LDF and TDF files. Hmm. Well. An interesting question... Certainly, it looks as if you can record on the unit and then edit in your PC. What happens if there is no .ldf/.tdf combo?? /t -- I am the wombat. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 17:44:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06036; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:23:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:23:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:14:58 -0700 Subject: Re: Yet even more Repeater 1st impressions, requests From: Kevin Goldsmith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> OTHER MAJOR REQUEST: I was hoping that I could Re-Sample One Loop to >> another. This would be a great feature. I'd rather ReSample a 4-Channel >> Loop to a new loop than replace 2 of the channels on my existing loop. > This >> should be pretty easy to fix in an upgrade. > > You could copy the loop to a new location and then resample it. > This is a reasonable workaround, but it'd still be nice if it could be a one step process in a future OS version. Kevin -- Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 17:46:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06277; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:26:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:26:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: no repeater wet/dry mix? Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:13:26 -0500 Message-ID: <00f501c130cf$718ffd70$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So Damon, This is something that can be dealt with as an OS fix and is not a hardware limitation? How long until this problem is fixed? Is there a suggested work around? Thanks, Steve > > > Yes, we did approach Repeater more like a recording device > than an FX processor. This is partly why the input mute is > missing from this first version. I say input mute because > wet/dry mix isn't what is needed for the broad use of this > feature. I admit, it is an oversight and believe me we hit > ourselves in the head when we realized this. All I can say is > we are looking at it for the next OS release. > > > Respect, > > Damon Langlois > Creative Director > Electrix > Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 17:49:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06634; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:32:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:32:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: no repeater wet/dry mix? Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:19:32 -0500 Message-ID: <00f901c130d0$4bc5f580$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010829115701.01c995b0@mulder.intermag.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, I am not understanding what you are referring to as causing feedback issues? Isn't the aux return bus summed with the main outs on most mixers? I have a Mackie 1202 VLZ that I use. Granted, if the return is coming back to a channel then that channel would in turn begin the endless loop into feedback, but I always thought the aux bus returned to the main mix, after inserts and effects so as to not add more effects to the effects. Am I wrong, or maybe misunderstanding what your definition is? I certainly don't want to set up my routing incorrectly. Thanks, Steve > > jim palmer (11:55 AM 08.29.2001) wrote: > > >i suggest we need the option of mute, no mute and 'smart' > mute >where the input is muted except when recording or overdubbing. > > But, with Repeater in the effects sends, this would still > cause feedback > issues when recording. > > Having the option to run this way would be nice though. > > > >this is how the multitrack decks i've worked with handled > this. >(they all referred to it as 'input monitor' not 'input mute') > > The reason this method works on a deck is that you usually > don't have the > outputs of the deck feeding back into a live (unmuted) > console channel or > return. They're heading straight out into the mains through > an insert or to > a subgroup that's isolated from the sends feeding the deck. > > > Mark > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 17:59:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06775; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:38:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:38:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a101c130d2$93079e60$bd140b3e@c3v8b8> From: "tiscali" To: References: Subject: R: Gig Spam [Seattle, WA]: Electrochakra @ the Mars Bar 8/29/01 9PM Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:35:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ACCYNNY www.rustyrobot.com Album " HYPNOS" ----- Original Message ----- From: Travis Hartnett To: Looper's Delight Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 7:23 AM Subject: Gig Spam [Seattle, WA]: Electrochakra @ the Mars Bar 8/29/01 9PM > Electrochakra will be performing at the newly expanded Mars Bar (609 > Eastlake Ave., a few blocks north of REI) this Wednesday between 9PM and > midnight. There is no cover charge. > > Be seeing you, > > Travis Hartnett > Electrochakra > > > -- > Electrochakra website: http://www.electrochakra.com > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 17:59:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07020; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:42:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:42:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b301c130d3$0ff60a60$bd140b3e@c3v8b8> From: "tiscali" To: References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB79B@migarexch01.maritz.com> <3B8C6E6C.6D99AE97@altruistmusic.com> Subject: R: A Repeater suggestion Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:39:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ACCYNNY www.rustyrobot.com Album "HYPNOS " ----- Original Message ----- From: Andre LaFosse To: Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 6:24 AM Subject: A Repeater suggestion > Hallo loop list, > > I want to chime in with a point of view here, in light of the current > talk about the lack of a wet/dry mix and its supposedly being a design > flaw. I also want to address a gear-related issue that's been bugging > me for a while. > > First of all, with respect to the wet/dry issue: I believe it was either > Jamie or Damon who told me at the NAMM show back in January that one of > the core concepts for Repeater was to make "a hardware version of ACID." > > Based upon the present feedback (no pun intended) from Repeater owners, > as well as the slant of Electrix's promotion, it seems to me that > Repeater is clearly coming from more of a multi-track recorder point of > view. When was the last time you saw individual track wet/dry mixes on > an ADAT or a reel-to-reel tape recorder? I would suggest that the > absence of same on the Repeater is not a design FLAW -- it's a design > characteristic. > > My perception at this point, which is of course only my opinion, is that > there's now a bit of a letdown present at the realization that the > Repeater is not, in fact, the be-all end-all Uber-looper of doom. Yes, > there are some things you can do with a Repeater that nothing else on > the market can do. There are also some things that have been on the > market for many years with feature sets which the Repeater doesn't seem > to share. > > There's a reason guitar players might have both a Les Paul and a > Stratocaster in their rig, and might run them through either a Fender > Twin or a Marshall stack. Recording engineers carry a variety of > microphones with different strenghts and weaknesses. Drummers will use > different types of kit components depending on the musical situation. > And so on. > > What I'm trying to say is this: Don't just judge any musical instrument > or piece of gear on what it DOESN'T do. Think about what it DOES do as > well. Approach it as an individual thing with its own strengths and > weaknesses, and learn what those are. > > Choose your tool based upon the job you need to do. > > When I use an EDP, my creative process is being shaped as a result of a > specific design architecture and philosophy. Like any good instrument, > it's the product of a particular creative idea that's followed a > specific arc to be brought to fruition. I'm sure the Repeater is the > same way, and I'm sure that each unit will lead a user down certain > paths that the other one isn't well equipped to travel. > > With all due respect to all the new Repeater owners, and without wanting > to offend anyone, I think it's a bit ridiculous that people are asking > for new design features in the unit mere days after having recieved it > -- especially after having waited a year for the current model to take > shape as an actual, workable, stable, real-world unit. > > It's taken years for a vocabulary of EDP techniques and approaches to > build up. That's the way it should be, as it is with any instrument. > Don't expect to master something like a Repeater in a few days -- and > don't expect it to be the final word in real-time looping. > > Learn your instrument. Get to know it as a creative tool. And don't > blame the instrument if it turns out that it wasn't what you thought it > was going to be, you know? > > Anyway... > > --Andre LaFosse > http://www.altruistmusic.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 18:00:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07050; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:43:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:43:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010d01c130d3$4c3292a0$bd140b3e@c3v8b8> From: "tiscali" To: References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB79F@migarexch01.maritz.com> <3B8C883B.F48FB906@zerocrossing.net> <3B8C9239.EF66F153@altruistmusic.com> Subject: R: A Repeater suggestion Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:41:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ACCYNNY www.rustyrobot.com Album "HYPNOS" ----- Original Message ----- From: Andre LaFosse To: Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 8:56 AM Subject: Re: A Repeater suggestion > Yo Mark, > > Mark wrote: > > > > Yeah, but put in a wet/dry mix control, like every other pro effect > > processor every made. > > This gets into the whole issue of, "What is a looper SUPPOSED to do? Is > it SUPPOSED to operate like a pro effects processor?" > > I recall Kim stating once that he felt things like pitch-shifting and > time-stretching didn't really belong in something like an EDP, because > those were features based upon applying a DSP approach to sound. He > felt the whole EDP angle was about recording, editing, > cutting-and-pasting, and otherwise EDITING the audio on the fly, rather > than out-and-out PROCESSING it. (Please feel free to correct me if I'm > mis-representing you, Kim.) > > So the Repeater is interesting in that it does a bit of sound editing, > AND sound processing. If someone's coming to it from a background of > real-time looping with units like a JamMan, EDP, Boomerang, etc., then > they could well find the wet/dry and feedback characteristics to be a problem. > > On the other hand, if someone's approaching it from a multi-track > recording perspective, and looking at Repeater as being a portable, > hardware extension of a program like ACID, then things like wet/dry > mixes and feedback functions won't be an issue, because those features > don't have anything to do with multitrack recording. > > And beyond that, if there WERE a wet/dry control on Repeater, how should > it be implemented? Should there be a universal balance that affects all > four tracks uniformly? Should each channel have its own discrete > balance? Should there be both? If so, how should they interact? > > I do think there's a certain dichotomy starting to emerge in terms of > feature sets, with the Repeater more geared towards multi-track-style > recording, panning, processing, and storage of stereo audio, and the EDP > more geared towards live, spontaneous interactive performance and > in-depth sample editing between the input and the looper. > > OF COURSE this is an overgeneralization, and of course both units can > function in both live and studio environments. But it does seem to me > that they're leaning towards somewhat seperate ends of the live/studio > spectrum in terms of the way they're laid out, and in terms of the > design philosophy behind each one. > > I think this sort of issue is interesting, since it re-opens the whole > issue of what a looper should or should not have. Some people will no > doubt find it a serious set-back. Others won't ever miss it. > > The real question, though, is what sort of wet/dry balance will be on > the Againinator?! > > --Andre LaFosse > http://www.altruistmusic.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 18:00:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06986; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:40:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:40:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a701c130d2$cdb2d840$bd140b3e@c3v8b8> From: "tiscali" To: References: <3B8D4BFA.F624E1D9@zerocrossing.net> Subject: R: no repeater wet/dry mix? Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:37:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ACCYNNY www.rustyrobot.com Album "HYPNOS" ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Sottilaro To: Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 10:09 PM Subject: Re: no repeater wet/dry mix? > yes that would work. > > About the wet/dry mix issue. It's true that you can control the volume of > each "track" right? and with a volume pedel, you can control the input, > obviously. So if you can just mute input from output, we should be golden, as > wet/dry mix can be handled by controling track volume. True, one function > that could control wet/dry mix would be sweet, but I could live with this > fix. BTW, I go and pick up my Repeater at Banana's At Large in San Rafael, CA > tonight. Wooooo hoooo! > > Mark Sottilaro > > "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" wrote: > > > Just to clarify we are talking about an input mute (on/off) that only mutes > > the input from the output so you can still record the input without passing > > it through the box (via MIDI and a special button press)...right? > > > > Respect, > > > > Damon Langlois > > Creative Director > > Electrix > > Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 > > http://www.electrixpro.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 18:02:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07022; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:42:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:42:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010829172755.00ace128@pop1.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:31:01 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: RE: no repeater wet/dry mix? In-Reply-To: <00f901c130d0$4bc5f580$6501a8c0@stevespc> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010829115701.01c995b0@mulder.intermag.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <_YqAkC.A.5mB.38Vj7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i have to say that i think its going to be fantastic to have a tool such as Repeater where so much extra functionality can be had with software upgrades. this give Electrix the opportunity to develop not only enhancements but perhaps specialized feature-sets that can be sold as products. even licensing out development so 3rd parties can develop functionality packages for the tool. it may have been prudent to have designed the box with some extra buttons and knobs that could be programmed with functions. maybe this is another good product angle - the Repeater Plus with a matrix of controllers to be used with future software packages. plexus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 18:03:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07239; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:47:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:47:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:36:08 -0700 Subject: Re: Yet even more Repeater 1st impressions, requests From: Kevin Goldsmith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 8/29/01 2:14 PM, "Kevin Goldsmith" wrote: >>> OTHER MAJOR REQUEST: I was hoping that I could Re-Sample One Loop to >>> another. This would be a great feature. I'd rather ReSample a 4-Channel >>> Loop to a new loop than replace 2 of the channels on my existing loop. >> This >>> should be pretty easy to fix in an upgrade. >> >> You could copy the loop to a new location and then resample it. >> > This is a reasonable workaround, but it'd still be nice if it could be a one > step process in a future OS version. > > Kevin When I was getting lunch, I realized a good reason for this feature. Currently the Repeater acts as a spiffy digital 4-track recorder. If I could resample to a new loop, I could build up a 4 track loop, resample it to the next loop and then switch to that next loop when it was done. Then I could add my next two tracks to that loop easily and repeat the process. This would allow me smoothly to turn the Repeater into a N-track recorder/looper. Of course, I don't remember if Copy stops playing the current loop. If not, I can still do this using the workaround. Kevin -- Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 18:07:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07240; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:47:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:47:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:41:18 -0700 Subject: Re: Yet even more Repeater 1st impressions, requests From: Kevin Goldsmith To: , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200108292054.QAA16650@www.editev.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9Z3m4C.A.RpB.3BWj7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Certainly, it looks as if you can record on the unit > and then edit in your PC. What happens if there > is no .ldf/.tdf combo?? > I tried it this morning. The Repeater didn't see the file. As I said, I haven't tried editing on the PC and putting it back on to the card yet. It should work if the Repeater doesn't put anything proprietary into the WAV header that it needs. I'll try this tonight. Kevin -- Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 18:20:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06985; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:40:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:40:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ad01c130d2$f03d5020$bd140b3e@c3v8b8> From: "tiscali" To: References: <041e01c130bf$1fa83a50$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: R: more RepeaTer 1st impressions Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:38:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <3K3PuD.A.OlB.76Vj7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ACCYNNY www.rustyrobot.com Album "HYPNOS" ----- Original Message ----- From: jim palmer To: Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 9:16 PM Subject: Re: more RepeaTer 1st impressions > can't this be addressed in software? > just allow pressing the overdub button to end the first record and > go into overdub. or pressing record a second time (since overdub is a toggle) > and pressing play after record could end record without overdubbing. > > > > > >- no way to go direct from initial record pass immediately into > overdub: > > >this prevents you from laying down an initial loop w/ sound which > > > >sustains > > >through the endpoint. > > > > >....OUCH! am i reading this correctly? so only 'bounded' loops are > > possible, > > >i.e. silence at startpoint, silence at endpoint? this would be a major > > >limitation. almost cannot believe this is true - this is a looping device, > > >not a sampler, right? > > > > > > No! not at all. What's being described is the ability to just define the > > loop length but continue to overdub without having to ever leave record. > > This is very handy for creating smooth drones etc. In some cases you might > > only have one bar of source material available and you want to loop it with > > a reverb or delay on it. In this case (if you couldn't just play the source > > for two bars and record the last bar) you would have to record it once dry > > and then use resample to record in the reverb tail or delay into the loop. > > > > > > Respect, > > > > Damon Langlois > > Creative Director > > Electrix > > Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 > > http://www.electrixpro.com > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 18:30:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09680; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 18:10:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 18:10:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Yet even more Repeater 1st impressions, requests Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:53:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I don't remember if Copy stops playing the >current loop. Copy works while Repeater is playing. Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 18:31:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09694; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 18:10:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 18:10:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8D66AA.989A1CD0@ernieball.com> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 15:03:22 -0700 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: armatronix w/ dj greenuts @ sweet springs saloon this friday 8-31-01 References: <002401c12e84$e29cc450$0200a8c0@siblinghk7qeor> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Hans Lindauer Cc: Paul Andreano Apparently-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hello armatronix family, friends, and neighbors- armatronix will once again take the stage this friday, august 31st 2001. the secret location is sweet springs saloon in los osos, california. los osos' very own dj greenuts will open the show, beginning around 9:30pm, with a special mix. this time armatronix will be joined on-stage by jake o'dell of functus/mozaic fame, fresh from boston with his new jazz degree and funky six-string in hand. there's also a rumor that j.j. dicol will be flying back from paris and may stop in to say hello to the ladies; that is, if his arms aren't too tired.... friday night's show will be 21 and over, with a $3 cover. linoleum will be provided. see you there! -hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 19:15:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11224; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 18:53:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 18:53:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8D6FE4.AB945FC9@pathcom.com> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 18:42:43 -0400 From: hutton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SimpleTech 128mb formatting References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010829095501.01bc77b0@mulder.intermag.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You mean activate the Repeater? ........... You have not been following my posts from the beginning, have you Mark? ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I requested assistance Mark! Mark Pullover wrote: > hutton (06:06 AM 08.29.2001) wrote: > > >Has anyone had any success Formatting the SimpleTech 128mb. > >It does not seem to want to work with the Repeater. ..... So far it > >will not even force format. P/N:STI-CF/128 > >Any assistance is welcomed > > Any chance that you happened to get it inserted upside down and power up > the machine? > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 19:22:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12616; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 19:02:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 19:02:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010829154555.01cac7b0@mulder.intermag.com> X-Sender: mpulver@mulder.intermag.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 15:49:47 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: SimpleTech 128mb formatting In-Reply-To: <3B8D6FE4.AB945FC9@pathcom.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010829095501.01bc77b0@mulder.intermag.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <_V1R4.A.PtC.CHXj7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hutton (03:42 PM 08.29.2001) wrote: >You mean activate the Repeater? ........... You have not been following my >posts from the beginning, have you Mark? ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I requested >assistance Mark! Sure I've been reading Chris... Somewhere in here you started the thread about the label being on the wrong side of the card that came with the machine. In that midst, you had also mentioned in reply to someone else that nothing would happen to the card if it was inserted upside down, "it just won't format" is what I think you said. So, my question to you about having the SimpleTech card in upside down is in relation to that. If you did happen to get a CFC card in upside down, and then powered up the Repeater, that's going to apply power to pins on the card that aren't expecting them. No telling what could happen. I don't have pin-outs handy to check and see if the inverse of the power pins are connected. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 19:38:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13444; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 19:18:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 19:18:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8D75CD.C8DF2290@pathcom.com> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 19:07:57 -0400 From: hutton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SimpleTech 128mb formatting References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010829095501.01bc77b0@mulder.intermag.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20010829154555.01cac7b0@mulder.intermag.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5Vt5JD.A.jJD.BWXj7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What in the heck are saying ,,,,,,,,, It is clear what you said ....... Why the backpedaling .... I will light a candle for you this evening ........ Good Vibes to you. Peace ....... Chris Hutton ........ I am sorry if I have some way irritated you. Mark Pullover wrote: > hutton (03:42 PM 08.29.2001) wrote: > > >You mean activate the Repeater? ........... You have not been following my > >posts from the beginning, have you Mark? ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I requested > >assistance Mark! > > Sure I've been reading Chris... > > Somewhere in here you started the thread about the label being on the wrong > side of the card that came with the machine. In that midst, you had also > mentioned in reply to someone else that nothing would happen to the card if > it was inserted upside down, "it just won't format" is what I think you said. > > So, my question to you about having the SimpleTech card in upside down is > in relation to that. > > If you did happen to get a CFC card in upside down, and then powered up the > Repeater, that's going to apply power to pins on the card that aren't > expecting them. > > No telling what could happen. I don't have pin-outs handy to check and see > if the inverse of the power pins are connected. > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 20:04:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14898; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 19:49:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 19:49:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: Subject: Can we take a second... Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:37:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Aug 2001 23:37:40.0933 (UTC) FILETIME=[98061750:01C130E3] Resent-Message-ID: <-lHhYC.A.LgD.jzXj7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To recognize Damon and Electrix's achievment - there hasn't been a looper this exciting built since Kim started the insanity. Despite the grousing, I doubt there are any owners on this list who would part with the new toy. (If you do, let me know). Damn. There goes another $700... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 2:53 PM Subject: RE: Yet even more Repeater 1st impressions, requests > >I don't remember if Copy stops playing the > >current loop. > > Copy works while Repeater is playing. > > > Respect, > > Damon Langlois > Creative Director > Electrix > Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 > http://www.electrixpro.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 20:08:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14790; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 19:47:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 19:47:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010829163049.01c025c8@mulder.intermag.com> X-Sender: mpulver@mulder.intermag.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:36:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: RE: no repeater wet/dry mix? In-Reply-To: <00f901c130d0$4bc5f580$6501a8c0@stevespc> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010829115701.01c995b0@mulder.intermag.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com M. Steven Ginn (02:19 PM 08.29.2001) wrote: >Mark, > >I am not understanding what you are referring to as causing feedback >issues? Isn't the aux return bus summed with the main outs on most >mixers? Hi Steve... Yeah, I lumped two thoughts into one. I have a bad habit of doing that when I'm distracted at work yet dying to hear myself type. :) The point I was trying to make was that the original poster (I think it was the person that started this) of the wet/dry issue talked about how he had problems with the main signal showing up in the outs since he was using live mics. Where my thinking went was that if a smart mode was implemented where the input signal would only show up during record or overdub, then the issue that the one user had would still be there. Sorry for babbling without a roadmap. :) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 20:28:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16939; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 20:08:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 20:08:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8D8010.743C4A2F@altruistmusic.com> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:51:44 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: A Repeater suggestion References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB79B@migarexch01.maritz.com> <3B8C6E6C.6D99AE97@altruistmusic.com> <3B8D1316.60E2F9CC@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all, Mark wrote: > > I'm really sorry but I can't get behind the nicey nice "everything is > beautiful in it's own way" mentality going on about the wet/dry mix > issue. All due respect, Mark, but I think you're oversimplifying my point of view. And being a bit unnecessarily insulting, for that matter... > We're not talking about some oddball feature, like being able to > "slip" tracks of a loop (which I admit is a cool feature). We're > talking about basic design here. If it never ocurred to the designers at Electrix, then clearly it's not nearly as basic of a design feature as you might think, eh? I suppose people could have gotten mad at Oberheim for releasing a mono sampling device in 1994 that recorded at lower than 44.1 kHz... > The argument that it's supposed to be > a hardware version of ACID doesn't fly either. ACID as far as I know, > doesn't record you in real time and drop you into a loop. ACID was the example I was given by Electrix themselves, when they themselves were describing their design concept for their product. I'm not trying to be an apologist for Electrix, man, I'm trying to give you some insight into the point of view from which their product was designed. Now, I'm sorry if you're frustrated at the Repeater being something other than what YOU were hoping it would be. But the unit isn't just about the needs and wants of a specific user; it's also about the point of view that the inventor of the company is coming from, yeah? Maybe take a minute or two before you start chastizing the company, and try to get inside their specific point of view? Of course, taking a minute or two and actual having a tangible unit in your hands to work with before you start making requests for modifications is another possibility.. > but when they > contacted me about features, I said "The footcontrol HAS to have access > to wet/dry mix and loop fade rate. Perhaps the utter and complete absence of a Repeater footcontroller sheds additional perspective on this concern... > If you bought a car that didn't let you shift into > reverse without turning off the car and restarting it, you'd make due. Or, to put it another way: If you pre-ordered a car from a company, WITHOUT having given it a test drive, and you waited months and months while the company tried to get an unprecedented set of design features in place for this new and innovative car, and you didn't take the time to utterly and completely familiarize yourself with all of the features in that car beforehand, and then found that the car didn't do things the way you had thought they might... ...well, is that the fault of the car manufacturer, or the customer? I mean, come on, man, the front and back panel, and instruction manual for the thing, have been readily available via the web site for AGES. If you yourself never thought to check for the location of a wet/dry control on the hardware interface of the thing, then how truly obvious should it have been to the guys who designed it? Do you always plop down $500 or so for a product you don't totally know about or understand yet? If you do, is that the company's fault, or your own? > I'd bet you'd opt not to buy the car though, or if you couldn't, you > wouldn't buy another car from that company in the future. Or perhaps that company would be reluctant to spend any more time struggling to make stable and innovative products for a perpetually dissatisfied and jaded clientelle? [and Mark later said:] > So if you can just mute input from output, we should be golden, as > wet/dry mix can be handled by controling track volume. True, one function > that could control wet/dry mix would be sweet, but I could live with this > fix. There, you see? It's not the end of the world after all. Who knows -- maybe you'll even find a way of balancing and crossfading signals that would be impossible to achieve with one conventional wet/dry mix. (Apologies in advance if that's an excessively "nicey nice" proposition...) I mean all of the above with all due respect to you, Mark, and everyone else. But please, guys... relax for a second. It's the day after Christmas. That cool shiny toy you looked at in the catalog for months and months doesn't quite do everything you'd thought it would, or at least, not quite in the way you'd imagined. Relax, play with the thing, and be glad and grateful it's finally a reality. Once you've got your head around the thing, and are conversant in how it operates... THEN it might be time to start making requests for feature modifications. Anyway... --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 20:39:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17713; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 20:20:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 20:20:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Yet even more Repeater 1st impressions, requests Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:08:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I tried it this morning. The Repeater didn't see the file. As I said, I >haven't tried editing on the PC and putting it back on to the card yet. It >should work if the Repeater doesn't put anything proprietary into the WAV >header that it needs. I'll try this tonight. Just make sure the WAV file is the same size as the origional. Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 20:43:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17825; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 20:23:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 20:23:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: Feature Comparison (Repeater & EDP) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:15:58 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <668MsD.A.QME.YTYj7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nothing at all? :( I wish I could add more to the technical discussion but I'm as green as beans folks. I would really appreciate even a few simple comments - even if you think it's too simple. I'm about to shell out some big bucks for this stuff (for me anyways)! I have looked at the specs, but it's hard to compare and translate into simple concrete terms without overheating my fragile newbie brain. Thanks. Tim -----Original Message----- From: Tim Goodwin [mailto:deepbass6@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 1:04 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Feature Comparison (Repeater & EDP) Can someone please give me an idea of what the EDP can do that the Repeater can not? I chose to spend my money on a Repeater (I should have it by next week) based on the multi-tracking and real-time loop features. But specifically, what can the EDP do that Repeater can not? And how does the JamMan compare? (it seems very limited by comparison, but solid as a simple delay/looper). The reason that I ask is that I am also considering picking up an MPX-1 for effects processing (partially because the R1 pedal board should work well with the Repeater - and partly because I'm sick of the mess of multiple floor pedals). I would even consider getting the G2 with a JamMan module to give me some delays and loops that I can send to the Repeater. I imagine that this would keep me busy for a while, but would I be missing out on other key looping features without the EDP in my rack? If so, what...? Thanks, Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 20:48:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17989; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 20:28:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 20:28:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8D851B.6D04EDB9@altruistmusic.com> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:13:15 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: A Repeater suggestion References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hallo people (again), Miko Biffle wrote: >> With all due respect Andre, this is a system integration problem. EVERYONE using a mixer and bussing the looper on an aux send is going to have this problem, and provide a workaround to solve it. Managing multiple inputs/instruments/voices usually involves a mixer.<< Thanks for your graciousness, Miko. It's genuinely appreciated. And with all due respect to you, I personally have never used a mixer and/or an aux send bus with a looper, and I've been using an Echoplex since October of 1995. Now, clearly, this is an issue for someone like yourself, since it's an intrinsic part of the way you work. On the other hand, there are people who don't use loopers in the way you're describing it, who aren't going to be thinking in those terms. I would suggest that the design team at Electrix is one such group of people. >> In the multi-track paradigm, most multi-track studios manage their dsp's/loopers etc using the same fx buss / aux buss architecture most mixers are designed with. << Doesn't it seem like the Repeater is designed as more of an "all-in-one" multitrack feature box, rather than being something that you fundamentally integrate into a larger system? It seems less like a component you'd plug into an external mixer, and more like a thing you'd use independently, in and of itself. The absence of a wet/dry control certainly seems to lend credence to that theory... >> ACID is a DAW multi-track with it's own limitations etc. << And Repeater is a hardware DAW-style multitrack with its own limitations as well, clearly. >> A universal balance. That way it WORKS on an aux send of a mixer. This is basic, studio setup stuff here. << But a Repeater isn't a basic piece of studio gear. It's a product that draws on a lot of different points of view and combines them into something that we haven't seen before. Look, I'm not trying to be a salesperson for the Repeater (where's my endorsement deal, Damon?!) I don't own one, and I don't have any particular need for one in the work I do. But I do think it's worth stopping for a second, stepping outside onesself, and looking at where the unit is coming from before chastizing the company for not fulfilling any individual user's vision of the ideal tool. >> Once again. Conventional Multi-Track style is typically the usual aux send sorta deal, which asks for 100% wet operation. Standard studio practice. << And once again :-), the Repeater ain't your conventional studio tool, and I don't believe it was designed as such. >> This is the reason I don't use Vortexes, and Line 6 DL4, as much as I love them both. << You are aware that the Vortex can set up an independent wet/dry mix for each individual patch, I assume? It's not a hardware balance knob, certainly. But I personally wouldn't let that stop me from integrating it into the very sort of mixer-aux-send scenario you describe yourself; in fact I've used a Vortex as an effect through a send, as my main external unit, dozens of times, and it works great. >> If I were selling a product and KNEW I'd lose users due to a simple oversight, I'd clear that up. If Electrix is listening, I'm adding my request for wet/dry mix as well as single button press to go from record to overdub. This is also a serious ommision. << Well, 1) Obviously Electrix didn't KNOW that this was a serious problem; 2) Considering that they've had a waiting list of users for about a year, none of whom had ever even USED a Repeater before placing their orders, I don't think Electrix is saddled with a lack of customer interest; 3) Until such time as people have ACTUALLY USED the thing in the real world, I'm not convinced that this is the end of the world for anyone. Again, folks: A lot of these posts have the ring of, "Wow, this thing isn't what I thought it would be." And, again: The specs and details of the unit have been readily available for the better part of a year. Nobody made anyone buy a unit without trying it first. If you actually try working with the thing and it absolutely cannot do what you want it to after you've learned its interface, then that's the time to start making requests for design modifications. Until then, though... Chill, peeps! Again, all said with all possible respect to all parties involved... --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 22:03:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22398; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 21:43:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 21:43:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.75] Reply-To: "Greg S" From: "Greg S" To: References: Subject: Re: Feature Comparison (Repeater & EDP) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 18:30:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Aug 2001 01:30:50.0046 (UTC) FILETIME=[66A685E0:01C130F3] Resent-Message-ID: <6uNay.A.ZXF.pdZj7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Key aspects for me: EDP: mono (unless you buy 2 and sync them) Repeater: stereo (and then some: up to 4 mono tracks, or 2 stereo, or 1 stereo and 2 mono). Think "small 4 track recorder". You can record on 1 or 2 (if using stereo) tracks simultaneously. EDP: Foot controller available. Can use midi and front panel as well. Can even build your own foot controller with the simplest of supplies. Repeater: No foot controller. Can only use midi and front panel. EDP: Wet/Dry mix available Repeater: No Wet/Dry mix, but you can control the output of 4 separate tracks including volume, panning, and pitch. EDP: Dumping loop digitally to external device only available through MIDI (I think) Repeater: CFC cards can be used to quickly copy loops to PC. Also has SPDIF digital out. EDP: single rack space Repeater: 2 spaces EDP: Overdub can end a loop while remaining in record mode. Repeater: Overdubbing can be done, but only after ending a loop and *re*-entering record mode. EDP: 9 loops max Repeater: 999 loops max EDP: Regeneration/Fade-out affects loop whether it's recording or not Repeater: Only affect 1 or 2 tracks which are in record mode. i.e. it can't slowly fade a playing loop/track that's not in record. Repeater: pitch and time changing capabilities. EDP: not available. Support: EDP: Kim Flint runs the site and the list. An amazing resource with infinite patience. Repeater: Electrix folks have been participating regularly on the list for the last year. They've been taking a great deal of input, a good deal of abuse, and have remained helpful so far. My take: I'm pulling my EDP from my rack (for space reasons) and putting in the Repeater so I'm forced to use it. They are different beasts with different strengths. I'm in total agreement with Andre's mail. My recommendation: I couldn't recommend one over the other unless something like stereo or a stand-alone foot controller was an absolute top priority for you. Personally I'd hate to choose between one or the other. Luckily, I don't have to. It's a good time to be a looper. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 5:15 PM Subject: RE: Feature Comparison (Repeater & EDP) > Nothing at all? :( I wish I could add more to the technical discussion but > I'm as green as beans folks. I would really appreciate even a few simple > comments - even if you think it's too simple. I'm about to shell out some > big bucks for this stuff (for me anyways)! I have looked at the specs, but > it's hard to compare and translate into simple concrete terms without > overheating my fragile newbie brain. Thanks. > > Tim > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Goodwin [mailto:deepbass6@earthlink.net] > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 1:04 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Feature Comparison (Repeater & EDP) > > > Can someone please give me an idea of what the EDP can do that the Repeater > can not? I chose to spend my money on a Repeater (I should have it by next > week) based on the multi-tracking and real-time loop features. But > specifically, what can the EDP do that Repeater can not? And how does the > JamMan compare? (it seems very limited by comparison, but solid as a simple > delay/looper). > > The reason that I ask is that I am also considering picking up an MPX-1 for > effects processing (partially because the R1 pedal board should work well > with the Repeater - and partly because I'm sick of the mess of multiple > floor pedals). I would even consider getting the G2 with a JamMan module to > give me some delays and loops that I can send to the Repeater. I imagine > that this would keep me busy for a while, but would I be missing out on > other key looping features without the EDP in my rack? If so, what...? > > Thanks, > > Tim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 23:45:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28713; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:25:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:25:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8DAEB8.6106C720@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 20:10:48 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Andre LaFosse vs. Mark Sottilaro: The BAD DESIGN SLAPDOWN References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB79B@migarexch01.maritz.com> <3B8C6E6C.6D99AE97@altruistmusic.com> <3B8D1316.60E2F9CC@zerocrossing.net> <3B8D8010.743C4A2F@altruistmusic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I apologize for the going off on the percieved lack of feature. I have read the manual, but the beta version, and without a real unit to corraspond it with, it's hard to grok. Also, we've been told that features were subject to change. I wrongly understood by the first post that the ability to control the wet/dry mix had been foregone. It became clear that it was just done in an unconventional way. That's OK. I still have to dissagree with you on the "what the creator conceived" argument. As a designer, I deal with the what the creator concieved/client wants issue EVERY SINGLE DAY OF MY LI-I-FE! I often get crazy, and yes, stupid requests for things that I know the client really does not want, or things that are not possible for various reasons. It's my job to interpret the actual needs and tweak until correct. There is always compromise. Here's a better example of what I'm talking about. Recently we contracted out the design of a Director presentation. Our client is one of the biggest software companies in the world. They wanted something very slick, and non powerpoint looking. The designer did a beautiful animated background. She created an 800x600 image for EVERY SINGLE FRAME. Showed it in the form of a quicktime movie and duped the producer. Walked away with a nice chunk of change. When the file was given to me, it was clear that no personal computer currently made would be able to play this thing correctly. Should I have "gotten to what the designer was trying to concieve?" NO. It was done badly. Beautiful, but utterly useless. I ended up redoing it using a vector based animation program (Flash) So the moral of the story is, you've really got to think of the client and how the end product is going to be used. Because, buy it's very nature, it has to interface with other gear, you've GOT to take into account how other gear is made. Being able to do a wet/dry mix seems pretty reasonable. Is there another looping device that doesn't do it? I'm glad that I was mistaken, and it does have at least a limited workaround for this. Sometimes things suck. If you don't believe it, try finding an old Brother (yes the typewriter company) MIDI sequencer. It was beyond non user friendly, it was user hostile. I swear it was the hardest piece of gear I've ever had to deal with. It did have all the features I wanted though. and if ya'll have made it this far, if you're into sweet guitar loopage and yummy dance grooves, buy Andre's album, you won't be sorry... it's well designed. Andre LaFosse wrote: > Hello all, > > Mark wrote: > > > > I'm really sorry but I can't get behind the nicey nice "everything is > > beautiful in it's own way" mentality going on about the wet/dry mix > > issue. > > All due respect, Mark, but I think you're oversimplifying my point of > view. And being a bit unnecessarily insulting, for that matter... > > > We're not talking about some oddball feature, like being able to > > "slip" tracks of a loop (which I admit is a cool feature). We're > > talking about basic design here. > > If it never ocurred to the designers at Electrix, then clearly it's not > nearly as basic of a design feature as you might think, eh? > > I suppose people could have gotten mad at Oberheim for releasing a mono > sampling device in 1994 that recorded at lower than 44.1 kHz... > > > The argument that it's supposed to be > > a hardware version of ACID doesn't fly either. ACID as far as I know, > > doesn't record you in real time and drop you into a loop. > > ACID was the example I was given by Electrix themselves, when they > themselves were describing their design concept for their product. > > I'm not trying to be an apologist for Electrix, man, I'm trying to give > you some insight into the point of view from which their product was > designed. > > Now, I'm sorry if you're frustrated at the Repeater being something > other than what YOU were hoping it would be. But the unit isn't just > about the needs and wants of a specific user; it's also about the point > of view that the inventor of the company is coming from, yeah? > > Maybe take a minute or two before you start chastizing the company, and > try to get inside their specific point of view? > > Of course, taking a minute or two and actual having a tangible unit in > your hands to work with before you start making requests for > modifications is another possibility.. > > > but when they > > contacted me about features, I said "The footcontrol HAS to have access > > to wet/dry mix and loop fade rate. > > Perhaps the utter and complete absence of a Repeater footcontroller > sheds additional perspective on this concern... > > > If you bought a car that didn't let you shift into > > reverse without turning off the car and restarting it, you'd make due. > > Or, to put it another way: > > If you pre-ordered a car from a company, WITHOUT having given it a test > drive, and you waited months and months while the company tried to get > an unprecedented set of design features in place for this new and > innovative car, and you didn't take the time to utterly and completely > familiarize yourself with all of the features in that car beforehand, > and then found that the car didn't do things the way you had thought > they might... > > ...well, is that the fault of the car manufacturer, or the customer? > > I mean, come on, man, the front and back panel, and instruction manual > for the thing, have been readily available via the web site for AGES. > If you yourself never thought to check for the location of a wet/dry > control on the hardware interface of the thing, then how truly obvious > should it have been to the guys who designed it? > > Do you always plop down $500 or so for a product you don't totally know > about or understand yet? If you do, is that the company's fault, or > your own? > > > I'd bet you'd opt not to buy the car though, or if you couldn't, you > > wouldn't buy another car from that company in the future. > > Or perhaps that company would be reluctant to spend any more time > struggling to make stable and innovative products for a perpetually > dissatisfied and jaded clientelle? > > [and Mark later said:] > > > So if you can just mute input from output, we should be golden, as > > wet/dry mix can be handled by controling track volume. True, one function > > that could control wet/dry mix would be sweet, but I could live with this > > fix. > > There, you see? It's not the end of the world after all. > > Who knows -- maybe you'll even find a way of balancing and crossfading > signals that would be impossible to achieve with one conventional > wet/dry mix. (Apologies in advance if that's an excessively "nicey > nice" proposition...) > > I mean all of the above with all due respect to you, Mark, and everyone > else. But please, guys... relax for a second. > > It's the day after Christmas. That cool shiny toy you looked at in the > catalog for months and months doesn't quite do everything you'd thought > it would, or at least, not quite in the way you'd imagined. > > Relax, play with the thing, and be glad and grateful it's finally a > reality. Once you've got your head around the thing, and are conversant > in how it operates... THEN it might be time to start making requests for > feature modifications. > > Anyway... > > --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 04:02:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA09180; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 03:41:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 03:41:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: faisalmoro@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 09:32:52 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: faisal moro Subject: RE: no repeater wet/dry mix? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Even if a general "dry mute" parameter could be maybe more easy to manage, that would e a great thing anyway. I'll buy Repeater as soon as such a feature will be avaliable! Thanks for your fast reply! Doei Faisal >Just to clarify we are talking about an input mute (on/off) that only mutes >the input from the output so you can still record the input without passing >it through the box (via MIDI and a special button press)...right? > > >Respect, > >Damon Langlois >Creative Director >Electrix >Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 >http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 05:12:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA12124; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 04:50:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 04:50:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8DFB4C.44FCA186@altruistmusic.com> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 01:37:31 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Andre LaFosse vs. Mark Sottilaro: The BAD DESIGN SLAPDOWN References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB79B@migarexch01.maritz.com> <3B8C6E6C.6D99AE97@altruistmusic.com> <3B8D1316.60E2F9CC@zerocrossing.net> <3B8D8010.743C4A2F@altruistmusic.com> <3B8DAEB8.6106C720@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yo peeple, and Yo Mark. Thanks for the eminently thoughtful followup. Gotta say that the subject header has all the makings of a killer remix CD. "The Bad Design Slapdown"... that's gotta be an album title in the works! I appreciate your raising the issue of "creator's intent." The analogy you drew with the in-depth yet unusable animation doesn't strike me as being entirely applicable to the Repeater situation, however. Why? Because in the case you mentioned, the background was unplayable on a personal computer. It couldn't function in the environment it was commisioned for. Whereas the Repeater is (finally!) very much a real-world entity that does operate as it's supposed to. And it's the last four words of that sentence that I think are the crux of the issue here. Damon has said that it was designed more from the point of view of a recorder than a processor or sound editor, which I think is the core of the current debate. Electrix is very highly regarded for making very user-friendly units with musicians in mind, so I think it's a bit unfair to suggest that they didn't understand what they were trying to do. Could it be that some of the Repeater customers, in fact, didn't understand what Electrix was trying to do with the product? In light of some of the comments knocking the thing for not functioning like a standard effects processor, it's at least an interesting twist worth considering... The bottom line (it seems to me) is that the whole concept of what a looper IS, and what it's SUPPOSED to do, and HOW it's supposed to do it, is still very much up in the air. There aren't any hard and fast rules. And when it comes to hardware-based, real-time, multi-track loopers, Electrix has just written the first chapter of that particular book. Here's an interesting angle: if Electrix is focusing so much on the real-time looping angle, and wants to dedicate its brain trust to that niche (as seems to be the case), why couldn't different loopers be designed for different types of looping applications? In much the same way that people will reach for an SG over a Les Paul, or a Telecaster instead of a Strat... Anyway... there's not much more I can say without having a Repeater in my hand, but I very much look forward to hearing more about the thing, and seeing what sorts of creative paths it leads people down. --Andre PS - very glad you dug the CD, Mark. Thanks again for picking it up. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 10:47:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29704; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 10:26:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 10:26:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007001c1315d$b9097990$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Can we take a second... Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 09:11:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hear! Hear! Jonathan! I agree! The Repeater's development and release is a true milestone in looper hardware! Those Electrix folks weren't messing around! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 10:51:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29951; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 10:30:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 10:30:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.org Message-Id: Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 10:12:13 -0400 To: "Art List" , electrons@cardhouse.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video performance (Outdoors) this Sat Night. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This Saturday night I'll be doing video improvisations withvideo shredder Walter Wright, violinist Katt Hernandez, prepared guitarist Marc Bisson, prepared turntablist Jason Talbot,guiatrist Joe Brown, We will be performing in the lot of the Empire Stone Co., at 50 Prospect St., near Union Square, Somerville. It would be nice to see you there. I don't know the exact start time, probably around 8 - 8:30 The same lot will also be hosting "Scrapstock," a multi-media performance festival to benefit Zeitgeist Gallery, during the following three weekends. Please check for festival details and updates. -- "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world. The unreasonable man persists in adapting the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 10:55:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30136; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 10:35:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 10:35:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007c01c1315e$95670c90$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Feature Comparison (Repeater & EDP) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 09:18:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm willing to wait a little longer for a better, more accurate comparison. I'll be quite interested in reviews from folks who have used both units in live performances. In the meantime, aren't the EDP's insert, replace, and undo features are quite different than the Repeater's? Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 11:00:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30289; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 10:40:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 10:40:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010e01c1315f$54137520$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> From: "David Beardsley" To: Subject: mp3.spam Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 10:23:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_010B_01C1313D.CCADE8C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_010B_01C1313D.CCADE8C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable folks, I have two new files up at mp3.com, nemo and nowhere featuring 13 limit Just Intonation guitar and echos. http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley serve chilled and ohm... * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley ------=_NextPart_000_010B_01C1313D.CCADE8C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_010B_01C1313D.CCADE8C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 11:35:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00765; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 11:14:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 11:14:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "J. Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: no repeater wet/dry mix? Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 08:00:16 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Funny. I'll buy a repeater as soon as I have the money! | -----Original Message----- | From: faisal moro [mailto:faisalmoro@mac.com] | Sent: Wednesday 29 August 2001 11:33 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com | Subject: RE: no repeater wet/dry mix? | | | Even if a general "dry mute" parameter could be maybe more easy to | manage, that would e a great thing anyway. | I'll buy Repeater as soon as such a feature will be avaliable! | | Thanks for your fast reply! | | Doei | Faisal From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 12:21:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03954; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 12:00:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 12:00:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8E5FBE.A6B14EA7@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 08:46:06 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Andre LaFosse vs. Mark Sottilaro: The BAD DESIGN SLAPDOWN References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB79B@migarexch01.maritz.com> <3B8C6E6C.6D99AE97@altruistmusic.com> <3B8D1316.60E2F9CC@zerocrossing.net> <3B8D8010.743C4A2F@altruistmusic.com> <3B8DAEB8.6106C720@zerocrossing.net> <3B8DFB4C.44FCA186@altruistmusic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com With the unplayable animation (it played as a quicktime movie, but not as a string of images) I was trying to show an extreme case, and you're right, Electrix, for the most part, DOES design really cool stuff. Shit, I should get a commision for all the Warp-factories I've gotten people to buy. I LOVE my Warp Factory and my MO-FX. YUM. (they both have a wet/dry mix!) Anyway, the same holds true for the Repeater, I've been talking it up to whoever will listen. I really want this product to do well. I think it will become a classic, as the EDP and the JamMan have. One of the great things about the EDP and the Repeater is that the creators have an open channel of communication with their users. This feedback is very usefull to them. If I were Daemon, and saw all the Repeater posts, I'd pee my pants with glee. Hell, despite any nitpicking, I dropped out of the group buy with Alto music so that I could purchase one for more money at Banana's at Large so I'd have it for the three day weekend. BTW, Banana's is a great store to deal with. Mark Sottilaro Andre LaFosse wrote: > Yo peeple, > > and Yo Mark. Thanks for the eminently thoughtful followup. Gotta say > that the subject header has all the makings of a killer remix CD. "The > Bad Design Slapdown"... that's gotta be an album title in the works! > > I appreciate your raising the issue of "creator's intent." The analogy > you drew with the in-depth yet unusable animation doesn't strike me as > being entirely applicable to the Repeater situation, however. > > Why? Because in the case you mentioned, the background was unplayable > on a personal computer. It couldn't function in the environment it was > commisioned for. Whereas the Repeater is (finally!) very much a > real-world entity that does operate as it's supposed to. > > And it's the last four words of that sentence that I think are the crux > of the issue here. Damon has said that it was designed more from the > point of view of a recorder than a processor or sound editor, which I > think is the core of the current debate. > > Electrix is very highly regarded for making very user-friendly units > with musicians in mind, so I think it's a bit unfair to suggest that > they didn't understand what they were trying to do. > > Could it be that some of the Repeater customers, in fact, didn't > understand what Electrix was trying to do with the product? In light of > some of the comments knocking the thing for not functioning like a > standard effects processor, it's at least an interesting twist worth considering... > > The bottom line (it seems to me) is that the whole concept of what a > looper IS, and what it's SUPPOSED to do, and HOW it's supposed to do it, > is still very much up in the air. There aren't any hard and fast rules. > And when it comes to hardware-based, real-time, multi-track loopers, > Electrix has just written the first chapter of that particular book. > > Here's an interesting angle: if Electrix is focusing so much on the > real-time looping angle, and wants to dedicate its brain trust to that > niche (as seems to be the case), why couldn't different loopers be > designed for different types of looping applications? In much the same > way that people will reach for an SG over a Les Paul, or a Telecaster > instead of a Strat... > > Anyway... there's not much more I can say without having a Repeater in > my hand, but I very much look forward to hearing more about the thing, > and seeing what sorts of creative paths it leads people down. > > --Andre > > PS - very glad you dug the CD, Mark. Thanks again for picking it up. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 12:27:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04242; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 12:06:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 12:06:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010830114535.036a1988@pop1.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 11:51:28 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: Re: Can we take a second... In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:37 PM 8/29/2001, you wrote: >To recognize Damon and Electrix's achievment - there hasn't been a looper >this exciting built since Kim started the insanity. sure! Damon, Electrix, well done - I think you have succeeded in creating a revolutionary product. Its a looper, but it goes beyond your average looper and implements a feature-set that we loopers have wanted for years: multi-track stereo looping. I know guys that shelled out big bucks for two EDP's because they needed stereo looping - this was years ago. But this is to be expected: look at the other electrix products which are also revolutionary. the most striking thing to me, however, is that all these devices have come from a company that has led many a revolution in electronic music. IVL released the first MIDI guitar controlled in fact, way before Roland (but it flopped). Good going and it's feels good to be a fellow Canadian! Viva la Canadien!! plexus ps. Didn't Fripp start the insanity? (not that he was the first looper but he was the first to bring the technique to our attention) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 12:43:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05382; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 12:27:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 12:27:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Apparently-From: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 11:14:47 -0500 Subject: King Frippson From: Mike Feeney To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3B8E5FBE.A6B14EA7@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can someone recommend some good loop-based Robert Fripp stuff? I haven't heard a lot of his stuff, except for a few King Crimson tracks here and there. Thanks ... Mike _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 12:47:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05281; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 12:26:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 12:26:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Apparently-From: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 11:15:11 -0500 Subject: Re: no repeater wet/dry mix? From: Mike Feeney To: , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com how much are the repeaters going for? mike on 8/30/01 10.00 AM, J. Miranda V. at gnominus@earthling.net wrote: > Funny. I'll buy a repeater as soon as I have the money! > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: faisal moro [mailto:faisalmoro@mac.com] > | Sent: Wednesday 29 August 2001 11:33 PM > | To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > | Subject: RE: no repeater wet/dry mix? > | > | > | Even if a general "dry mute" parameter could be maybe more easy to > | manage, that would e a great thing anyway. > | I'll buy Repeater as soon as such a feature will be avaliable! > | > | Thanks for your fast reply! > | > | Doei > | Faisal _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 12:51:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05556; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 12:30:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 12:30:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: paulreisler@earthlink.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 12:22:03 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Paul Reisler Subject: Re: SimpleTech 128mb formatting Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com there seems to be a problem with the simple tech 128. mine would not format either. i called electrix and they had had another report of a problem. that person was sending his to them to try to figure out what's wrong. glad we bought a recommened card, huh? paul reisler chris hutton wrote: Has anyone had any success Formatting the SimpleTech 128mb. >It does not seem to want to work with the Repeater. ..... So far it >will not even force format. P/N:STI-CF/128 >Any assistance is welcomed > Thanks ......... Chris Paul Reisler Trapezoid/Ki Theatre PO Box 38 Washington, VA 22747 540.987.3164 540.987.3166 fax zoid@pobox.com www.kitheatre.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 13:04:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06314; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 12:44:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 12:44:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010830122206.00ae2e78@pop1.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 12:29:49 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: Re: King Frippson In-Reply-To: References: <3B8E5FBE.A6B14EA7@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow. Well... any solo work that was done with Frippertronics. Let the Power Fall is a good place to start. Exposure has some pretty interesting song writing and the use of Frippertronics in the popular song style as well as a version of Gabriel's Here Comes the Flood with just Frippertronics and Peter singing (the best version I think). And for a modern treatment of Fripeprtronics you can try That Which Passes. Fripp uses two Revox R/R decks for his looping in Let the Powerfall and on That Which Passes he uses (I think) a couple EH3500's and some TC delays (this is what I saw him live with the last time). Also you need to get Eno's Music for Airports and Fripp/Eno's Evening Star. Then, then... you will begin to understand. :) plexus At 12:14 PM 8/30/2001, you wrote: > Can someone recommend some good loop-based Robert Fripp stuff? I >haven't heard a lot of his stuff, except for a few King Crimson tracks here >and there. Thanks ... > > Mike > > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 13:11:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06792; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 12:50:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 12:50:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.194.140.131] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: King Frippson Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 09:35:45 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Aug 2001 16:35:45.0730 (UTC) FILETIME=[D1666A20:01C13171] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Can someone recommend some good loop-based Robert Fripp stuff? I >haven't heard a lot of his stuff, except for a few King Crimson tracks here >and there. Thanks ... > > Mike I can highly recommend "The Gates of Paradise" on DGM records (www.disciplineglobalmobile.com). Nic _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 13:14:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07218; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 12:58:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 12:58:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010830124208.007db100@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 12:42:08 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Unsussbribe/OT address change In-Reply-To: <009401c12cab$fa19a920$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <13d.4574d0.28b7ac51@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <1b4_JD.A.JkB.22mj7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Unscrub... No, I'm not really a lobster; I'll be using the correct unsubprocedure momentarily, but since there are _many_ of you with whom I correspond off-list and I don't use an address book, I wanted to let you know that my e-mail address will be changing sometime in the next few hours, with no forwarding from the old one. The new one'll be tnelson@metrocast.net (Cable! Yay! I can finally hear all those mp3 links you guys have been sending!) Sorry for the general OT broadcast; see ya soon... Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 13:17:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07182; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 12:57:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 12:57:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 12:45:46 -0400 Subject: Re: mp3.spam From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <010e01c1315f$54137520$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3082020346_281634" Resent-Message-ID: <7eG_XB.A.ukB.B3mj7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3082020346_281634 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Dear david, Love your music. It=B9s my first hearing... Thanks for posting... Best, Todd reynolds On 8/30/01 10:23 AM, "David Beardsley" wrote: > folks, > =20 > I have two new files up at mp3.com, > nemo and nowhere featuring 13 limit > Just Intonation guitar and echos. > =20 > http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley > =20 > serve chilled and ohm... > =20 > =20 > * David Beardsley > * http://biink.com > * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley >=20 >=20 --B_3082020346_281634 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: mp3.spam Dear david,

Love your music.  It’s my first hearing...  Thanks for post= ing...

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On 8/30/01 10:23 AM, "David Beardsley" <db@biink.com> wrote= :

folks,
 
I have two new files up at mp3.com,
nemo and nowhere featuring 13 limit
Just Intonation guitar and echos.
 
http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley
 
serve chilled and ohm...
 
 
* David Beardsley
* http://biink.com
* http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley


 --B_3082020346_281634-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 13:23:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08442; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 13:02:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 13:02:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010830124526.007dac70@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 12:45:26 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: King Frippson In-Reply-To: References: <3B8E5FBE.A6B14EA7@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Historically, you might want to start with his two collaborations with Brian Eno ('No Pussyfooting' and 'Evening Star') as they're really what got him started on the whole Frippertonics thing. -t At 11:14 AM 8/30/01 -0500, you wrote: > Can someone recommend some good loop-based Robert Fripp stuff? I >haven't heard a lot of his stuff, except for a few King Crimson tracks here >and there. Thanks ... > > Mike From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 13:30:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08873; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 13:10:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 13:10:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8E7E92.7C5FE139@cabq.gov> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 10:57:38 -0700 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater: Track Bleed Through? References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB79B@migarexch01.maritz.com> <3B8C6E6C.6D99AE97@altruistmusic.com> <3B8D1316.60E2F9CC@zerocrossing.net> <3B8D8010.743C4A2F@altruistmusic.com> <3B8DAEB8.6106C720@zerocrossing.net> <3B8DFB4C.44FCA186@altruistmusic.com> <3B8E5FBE.A6B14EA7@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings LD, I seem to be having a little problem with my rig since dropping in my new Repeater (Thanks Alto!). I'm not really a whiz at this stuff (took me a week and a LD query to learn how to close the loop at the right place on my Headrush), but this seems a little weird. When I have a loop playing on the Repeater, it seems to be sending a signal 'upstream' to my other rack mounted effects... the input lights on my Vortex & Reflex glow rather strongly and if I take my IPS33B (digitech) out of bypass then there is some audible pitchshifting occurring on the pre-recorded loop. In addition, if I record a 2nd, 3rd or 4th loop and isolate any one of them I can faintly hear the previous track(s). I have checked all my input/output cables to make sure they are inserted in the proper places. I am running this stereo rack gear from the Effects Loop of my Lexicon Stereo Amp & monitoring with the headphone jack on the Repeater itself. The Repeater is at the very end of the chain, and it has a Filter Factory in its own effect loop (very cool!). This definitely did not happen when my Line6 Dl-4 was in the same place in the chain (dl-4 is now moved out front & plugged into the instrument jack). I don't want to be too quick to blame the Repeater, but it sure seems like the culprit. Anybody have any clues about this behavior? Any tests i can do to isolate the problem? I have more comments to make about the Repeater, but I really need more time and UNDERSTANDING before i make a post. Overall, I will say I am happy with the purchase and it was well worth the wait. Thanks! -jas Gone Loop Crazy in Albuquerque From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 13:35:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09273; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 13:17:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 13:17:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 12:07:49 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: King Frippson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <015501c13176$55c76f40$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com '1999' is good soundscape stuff. the fripp/sylvian album 'first day' is awesome. 'discipline' is my favorite crimson album... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Feeney" To: Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 11:14 AM Subject: King Frippson > > > Can someone recommend some good loop-based Robert Fripp stuff? I > haven't heard a lot of his stuff, except for a few King Crimson tracks here > and there. Thanks ... > > Mike > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 13:36:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09076; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 13:14:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 13:14:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 13:01:22 -0400 Subject: Re: King Frippson From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Let The Power Fall" is the peak, IMO... David Lee Myers http://www.pulsewidth.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Ourobouros" CD of new Feedback Music available now on Pulsewidth! In NYC at Downtown Music, Kim's Mondo, Kim's West, and Other Music, and through Forced Exposure, Anomalous, Wayside, CDeMusic/Electronic Music Foundation, Deep Listening Catalog, Crouton Music, Recommended (UK), Staalplaat (Netherlands), and Metamkine (France). on 8/30/01 12:14 PM, Mike Feeney at feeneymike@yahoo.com wrote: > > > Can someone recommend some good loop-based Robert Fripp stuff? I > haven't heard a lot of his stuff, except for a few King Crimson tracks here > and there. Thanks ... > > Mike > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 13:39:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09271; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 13:17:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 13:17:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <027701c13175$34f39d80$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: Subject: Re: King Frippson Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 13:00:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Feeney > Can someone recommend some good loop-based Robert Fripp stuff? I > haven't heard a lot of his stuff, except for a few King Crimson tracks here > and there. Thanks ... Let The Power Fall for his older analog Frippertronics, A Blessing of Tears for his more recent digital Soundscapes. And if you see a copy of FFWD with the Orb, grab it. Its out of print. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 13:49:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09814; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 13:29:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 13:29:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: no repeater wet/dry mix? Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 10:16:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You can expect the "dry mute" on/off to be in the next OS which we are working on now. Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 13:51:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10058; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 13:31:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 13:31:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010830093416.0449de50@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 10:13:33 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Syncing the EDP to the Repeater In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:23 AM 8/29/2001, muman wrote: >Hello all, >I'm having a problem syncing the EDP to the Repeater. I read the >FAQ and tried a number of different settings, but the EDP still >drifts. I should mention that all my other gear syncs without fail. does Repeater actually generate MIDI clock out? I looked through the repeater feature lists and manual and saw mention of sync to midi clock in, but couldn't find anything about clock out. It's hard for me to imagine it doesn't do that, so I'm guessing I missed it? Assuming it does, you should see the sync LED flashing on the EDP to indicate it is receiving clock. This is the decimal point on the lower right of the display. It should flash where the Echoplex thinks the beginning of the loop is. Are you seeing that? once the echoplex has started receiving sync and the LED has flashed, pressing Record will put you into a waiting period. The display will show "ooo". It waits for the next startpoint to come along, at which point it automatically starts Recording. When you press Record again, it again shows the "ooo" and waits for the start point again, at which point it stops recording. Did it do that much? Then, assuming the EDP continues to receive a good midi clock it will continue to sync to it by aligning it's start point with the midi clock. You can tell when it actually adjusts itself, because two decimal points will flash. If the incoming midi clock tempo stays within a reasonable window, the echoplex will continue to sync to it. This is to handle drift between machines. (I forget the size of the window exactly, somewhere around +/- 5BPM). If the clock changes by more than that, the Echoplex assumes you intend for things to go out of sync and stops trying to sync itself to the source. With Repeater you can change loop tempo a lot, which I assume would change the midi clock out tempo too? If you are doing that and Repeater is the clock master, you will get mixed results with other devices. Some things will follow it and some won't. also, are you using the current software for the Echoplex, LoopIIIv5.0? That made a lot of improvements for midi sync. Most importantly, it allowed the echoplex to continue keeping itself in sync after the initial loop was recorded. The older software just sync'd the initial loop and then ran free, which tended to have problems with drift. >Here is the last setting I tried: > >SwitchQuant = CYC >Quantize = On >Sync = IN >8ths/beat = 8 you shouldn't have any problem with that setup. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 14:12:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11182; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 13:52:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 13:52:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c1317a$d73db080$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <3B8E5FBE.A6B14EA7@zerocrossing.net> <3.0.5.32.20010830124526.007dac70@pop.ici.net> Subject: Re: King Frippson Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 18:40:09 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The separate CD releases of "No Pussyfooting" and "Evening Star" are incorrectly remastered. Both releases can be found in complete and done right, on "the essential Fripp and Eno" (on CDNOW, http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=670666374/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/alb um.html/artistid=FRIPP*ROBERT/itemid=111772 ). The "Healthy Colours" sessions worked on during the period are included as well. Fripp's "Let the Power Fall" is great, though I understand some CDs of it have included bits from "Under Heavy Manners/God Save the King", another Fripp release. I only include the CDNOW link for reference. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.live365.com/stations/218194 * EarthLight Online / Live! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" To: Sent: 30 August 2001 17:45 PM Subject: Re: King Frippson > Historically, you might want to start with his two collaborations with > Brian Eno ('No Pussyfooting' and 'Evening Star') as they're really what got > him started on the whole Frippertonics thing. > > -t > > At 11:14 AM 8/30/01 -0500, you wrote: > > Can someone recommend some good loop-based Robert Fripp stuff? I > >haven't heard a lot of his stuff, except for a few King Crimson tracks here > >and there. Thanks ... > > > > Mike > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 14:26:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12877; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 14:06:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 14:06:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Repeater: Track Bleed Through? Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 10:52:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Jason, Can you email our tech support with a crystal clear explanation of your setup and maybe we can help. support@electrixpro.com Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com -----Original Message----- From: Jason Fink [mailto:jfink@cabq.gov] Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 10:58 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater: Track Bleed Through? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 14:40:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13392; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 14:19:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 14:19:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010830102009.0448d688@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 11:05:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Can we take a second... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010830114535.036a1988@pop1.sympatico.ca> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:51 AM 8/30/2001, Brett Maraldo wrote: >At 07:37 PM 8/29/2001, you wrote: > >>To recognize Damon and Electrix's achievment - there hasn't been a looper >>this exciting built since Kim started the insanity. > >sure! Damon, Electrix, well done - I think you have succeeded in creating >a revolutionary product. Its a looper, but it goes beyond your average >looper and implements a feature-set that we loopers have wanted for years: >multi-track stereo looping. actually the thing people have asked for for years is multiple tracks of **different lengths**, which Repeater doesn't do. Bob Sellon's mythical jamman upgrade does that, as does Emmanuel Perille's DJRND2 and DJRND3. Emmanuel also was doing stereo and multi-track, multi-length loopers quite a while ago, long before Electrix. He even has patents on it. Eventide boxes have also been used for multi-track and stereo loops for quite a while, and people using MSP and kyma have also done these things. So I would say "evolutionary" perhaps. Revolutionary, no. >I know guys that shelled out big bucks for two EDP's because they needed >stereo looping - this was years ago. and in that case, you can have different lengths, with a variety of options for syncing them to each other or having them unsynchronized, letting either one be the clock master for the other, etc., even letting different people control them. You don't have those options with any other looper. >ps. Didn't Fripp start the insanity? (not that he was the first looper but >he was the first to bring the technique to our attention) Maybe for you, but definitely not for me! (I don't think I qualify as "starting" any insanity either. Just inciting more of it.) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 15:16:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17178; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 14:54:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 14:54:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: What's the time stretch like on a repeater Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 11:40:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C13148.A2D21D90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Aug 2001 18:40:58.0939 (UTC) FILETIME=[4F9F20B0:01C13183] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C13148.A2D21D90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How does it sound? Is it any good? Can it be performed on the fly?=20 Curious, future repeater owner.=20 Jonathan ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C13148.A2D21D90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C13148.A2D21D90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 15:25:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18859; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:05:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:05:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005f01c13184$dd2ad360$ab416f40@oemcomputer> From: "petr" To: References: <200108301751.NAA11114@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: OT: digital recording mystery Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 12:52:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Because of colaboration with a friend of mine on a recording project, we recorded and exchanged a track in this sequence: digital multitrack --> pc --> burned cd (wav) --> pc --> minidisc --> pc --> burned cd --> pc --> multitrack. When I wanted to sync the newly updated recording (new track in left chanel and original in right) I found that the new version (both the original recording and the new one) is somewhat faster, about 0.4 second in four minutes. It was all done via digital connection (spdif) and in 44,100 Hz. Can anyone explain the mystery how the recording could get faster, or provide some hint/insight? Thanks, petr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 15:30:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19148; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:10:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:10:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 14:47:41 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: no repeater wet/dry mix? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, Damon Langlois (Electrix) wrote: > You can expect the "dry mute" on/off to be in the next OS which we are > working on now. Oh god, here comes the endless queries and whining about the OS release date. -Adam ---- T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ http://mp3.com/darkaether/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 15:42:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20087; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:21:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:21:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Can we take a second... Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 12:07:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You could also sync two Repeaters through MIDI (Repeater sends MIDI clock at all times). In Repeater's case it has to be a master-slave configuration. The slave must be in MIDI sync to prevent drift (unless you want it to drift then just put the slave in user sync). In this mode the slave Repeater will receive MIDI clock from the master as well as start and stop messages. With a master-slave Repeater configuration you could have two stereo or 4 track loops of different lengths synched together. Repeater sending MIDI clock is also extremely useful for synchronizing FX (lfos, delays)to your loops. Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 15:49:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20365; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:27:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:27:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <200108301751.NAA11114@hemlock.violacea.com> <005f01c13184$dd2ad360$ab416f40@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: digital recording mystery Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 12:14:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Aug 2001 19:14:11.0885 (UTC) FILETIME=[F3828DD0:01C13187] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes - the minidisk, and any other lossy compression applied (ie mp3 encoding), will affect timing like that. ----- Original Message ----- From: "petr" To: Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 11:52 AM Subject: OT: digital recording mystery > Because of colaboration with a friend of mine on a recording project, > we recorded and exchanged a track in this sequence: digital > multitrack --> pc --> burned cd (wav) --> pc --> minidisc --> pc --> > burned cd --> pc --> multitrack. > > When I wanted to sync the newly updated recording (new track in left > chanel and original in right) I found that the new version (both the > original recording and the new one) is somewhat faster, about 0.4 > second in four minutes. It was all done via digital connection > (spdif) and in 44,100 Hz. Can anyone explain the mystery how the > recording could get faster, or provide some hint/insight? > > Thanks, > > petr > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 16:02:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20855; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:41:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:41:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8EA21E.12D5706D@cabq.gov> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 13:29:18 -0700 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Can we take a second... References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010830102009.0448d688@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim Flint wrote: > actually the thing people have asked for for years is multiple tracks of > **different lengths**, which Repeater doesn't do. Until I got a looper box that could do multiple loops, i didn't really grok why this was so important... it gets bantered about on the list all the time but I didnt really think about it. Well, It was immediately apparent with my very first multi-track loop yesterday. Track one was a big long loop, and track 2 was a little short one, with a bunch of dead space until loop1 finishs. Ahhh Haaaa, so thats what they are talk about. Light bulb finally goes on! None-the-less, having multiple tracks is GREAT & the Repeater is a groove. -jas Albuquerque From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 16:08:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21122; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:47:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:47:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8EA385.2E79A14C@cabq.gov> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 13:35:17 -0700 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What's the time stretch like on a repeater References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Though this is not a feature I bought the Repeater for, and probably wont use it much (well, actually, you never know), but I think it does sound good and it definitly can be peformed on the fly... I have only doinked those knobs a coupla times, but "turn knob-pitch drops", turn other way pitch rises. You gotta turn a *whole bunch* of times to do an octave, but it is cool. Same with tempo... later, -jas Albuquerque Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > How does it sound? Is it any good? Can it be performed on the > fly? Curious, future repeater owner. Jonathan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 16:15:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21512; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:59:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:59:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 14:47:12 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: digital recording mystery To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01b501c1318c$905fbb60$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200108301751.NAA11114@hemlock.violacea.com> <005f01c13184$dd2ad360$ab416f40@oemcomputer> Resent-Message-ID: <0nXn3C.A.AJF.Gfpj7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i had a similar problem transferring back and forth from computer to adat. seems it didn't automatically synch it's clock to the source when recording from digital ins. in this case, i was able to manually select the clock source. or maybe the minidisk was not synching properly. i don't know much about minidisks... > Because of colaboration with a friend of mine on a recording project, > we recorded and exchanged a track in this sequence: digital > multitrack --> pc --> burned cd (wav) --> pc --> minidisc --> pc --> > burned cd --> pc --> multitrack. > > When I wanted to sync the newly updated recording (new track in left > chanel and original in right) I found that the new version (both the > original recording and the new one) is somewhat faster, about 0.4 > second in four minutes. It was all done via digital connection > (spdif) and in 44,100 Hz. Can anyone explain the mystery how the > recording could get faster, or provide some hint/insight? > > Thanks, > > petr > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 16:18:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21481; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:58:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:58:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010830154114.00ae8160@pop1.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:42:01 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: Re: Can we take a second... In-Reply-To: <3B8EA21E.12D5706D@cabq.gov> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010830102009.0448d688@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:29 PM 8/30/2001, you wrote: >Kim Flint wrote: > > > actually the thing people have asked for for years is multiple tracks of > > **different lengths**, which Repeater doesn't do. > >one, with a bunch of dead space until loop1 finishs. Ahhh Haaaa, so thats >what they are talk about. Light bulb finally goes on! the next to next software update? where are we now? projecting to 2005 or so? (just joking - good job damon) plexus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 16:23:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22720; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 16:02:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 16:02:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 14:49:58 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: no repeater wet/dry mix? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01bd01c1318c$f334c9b0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I CANT BELIEVE ITS NOT READY YET HOW LONG DO WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR A SIMPLE OS UPGRADE? MY MULTIPLATINUM ALBUM IS ON HOLD. IM HOLDING MY BREATH TIL I HAVE IT. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Levin" To: Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 2:47 PM Subject: RE: no repeater wet/dry mix? > On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, Damon Langlois (Electrix) wrote: > > > You can expect the "dry mute" on/off to be in the next OS which we are > > working on now. > > Oh god, here comes the endless queries and whining about the OS release > date. > > -Adam > > ---- > T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t > http://www.darkaether.net/ > http://mp3.com/darkaether/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 16:32:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22824; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 16:04:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 16:04:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010830155021.0364fdb8@pop1.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:50:40 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: Re: no repeater wet/dry mix? In-Reply-To: <01bd01c1318c$f334c9b0$080210ac@jpalmer> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm on a hunger strike. At 03:49 PM 8/30/2001, you wrote: >I CANT BELIEVE ITS NOT READY YET >HOW LONG DO WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR >A SIMPLE OS UPGRADE? >MY MULTIPLATINUM ALBUM IS ON HOLD. >IM HOLDING MY BREATH TIL I HAVE IT. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Adam Levin" >To: >Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 2:47 PM >Subject: RE: no repeater wet/dry mix? > > > > On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, Damon Langlois (Electrix) wrote: > > > > > You can expect the "dry mute" on/off to be in the next OS which we are > > > working on now. > > > > Oh god, here comes the endless queries and whining about the OS release > > date. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 16:40:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23393; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 16:19:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 16:19:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Can we take a second... Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 13:05:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In this case you would have to record the shorter loop first, multiply it and then record the longer loop. >Well, It was immediately apparent with my very first multi-track loop >yesterday. Track one was a big long loop, and track 2 was a little short >one, with a bunch of dead space until loop1 finishs. Ahhh Haaaa, so thats >what they are talk about. Light bulb finally goes on! Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com -----Original Message----- From: Jason Fink [mailto:jfink@cabq.gov] Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 1:29 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Can we take a second... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 17:08:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24330; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 16:46:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 16:46:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017401c13192$5f65ae10$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Can we take a second... Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:28:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > In this case you would have to record the shorter loop first, multiply it > and then record the longer loop. > > > >Well, It was immediately apparent with my very first multi-track loop > >yesterday. Track one was a big long loop, and track 2 was a little short > >one, with a bunch of dead space until loop1 finishs. Ahhh Haaaa, so thats > >what they are talk about. Light bulb finally goes on! But only if the loops are integral multiples, of course. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 17:17:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24911; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 16:58:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 16:58:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017a01c13194$0b52ef70$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <200108301751.NAA11114@hemlock.violacea.com> <005f01c13184$dd2ad360$ab416f40@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: digital recording mystery Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:40:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I haven't thought it completely through, but I don't think lossy compression works that way. If it did, for instance, then each generation of minidisc dubbing would significantly short the song. In Petr's example of 0.4 seconds shorter in a four minute song (with one minidisc generation), then ten generations of dubbing would make the song 4 seconds shorter. And I haven't heard anything about multiple minidisc generations shortening songs in this fashion; only about the reduction in sound quality. Generally, lossy compression reduces the complexity of the signal and not it's timing. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 17:19:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24909; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 16:58:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 16:58:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8EA604.2C313A7A@pathcom.com> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 16:45:55 -0400 From: hutton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SimpleTech 128mb formatting References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Be careful about discussing the truth about CFC problems ....... I receive insulting irresponsible e-mail just mentioning it ...... You may already have put yourself at risk! Paul Reisler wrote: > there seems to be a problem with the simple tech 128. mine would not > format either. i called electrix and they had had another report of a > problem. that person was sending his to them to try to figure out what's > wrong. glad we bought a recommened card, huh? > paul reisler > > chris hutton wrote: > Has anyone had any success Formatting the SimpleTech 128mb. > >It does not seem to want to work with the Repeater. ..... So far it > >will not even force format. P/N:STI-CF/128 > >Any assistance is welcomed > > Thanks ......... Chris > > Paul Reisler > Trapezoid/Ki Theatre > PO Box 38 > Washington, VA 22747 > 540.987.3164 > 540.987.3166 fax > zoid@pobox.com > www.kitheatre.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 17:28:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26251; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 17:06:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 17:06:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8EB66B.3F7D27AC@cabq.gov> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 14:55:55 -0700 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Can we take a second... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com true, but that might necessitate a little more planning instead of flying by the seat of my pants. no worries though, i just brought up that example to illustrate why its cool to be able to record loops of different lengths... something i hadn't really understood until now. i *really* dig multiply and that it doesn't take any extra memory (until you overdub on it). -jas Albuquerque "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" wrote: > In this case you would have to record the shorter loop first, multiply it > and then record the longer loop. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 18:06:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27815; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 17:49:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 17:49:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AALev123@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 17:35:27 EDT Subject: An guitar palyer s have repeater yet in their rig? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Resent-Message-ID: <0Jn1xD.A.upG.jGrj7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am wondering if any guitar players have incorporated the repeater in their set up yet? How does the reverse function work? Are you able to control it on the fly etc...I have the DMC ground control and gcx switcher and I am hoping to somehow integrate this thing into my set up --any comments are appreciated. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 18:07:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27726; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 17:46:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 17:46:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 17:32:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200108302132.RAA22064@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: digital recording mystery X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 66.9.67.98 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I haven't thought it completely through, but I don't think lossy compression > works that way. I don't think that he means that the compression is removing time as part of the compression directly -- it's an artefact of the compression process, rather. ATRAC and MP3 both work by dividing the source up into a large number of small chunks and picking the best encoding strategy per chunk (which is why it's "adaptive".) So unless the chunk size exactly divides the track size, there's going to be a chunk that's too small at the end. If I were writing the encoding, I'd throw away that last little chunk if it were "completely empty", otherwise I'd pad it with emptiness. So the length would change just a little bit... This is just my guess, but that's how I'd go about it. -- I am the wombat. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 18:08:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27713; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 17:46:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 17:46:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <200108301751.NAA11114@hemlock.violacea.com> <005f01c13184$dd2ad360$ab416f40@oemcomputer> <017a01c13194$0b52ef70$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: digital recording mystery Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 14:33:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Aug 2001 21:33:50.0949 (UTC) FILETIME=[75D24150:01C1319B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I haven't thought it completely through, but I don't think lossy compression > works that way. If it did, for instance, then each generation of minidisc > dubbing would significantly short the song. In Petr's example of 0.4 > seconds shorter in a four minute song (with one minidisc generation), then > ten generations of dubbing would make the song 4 seconds shorter. And I > haven't heard anything about multiple minidisc generations shortening songs > in this fashion; only about the reduction in sound quality. > No, I know it works that way; I deal with lossy audio compression formats all day long. There are always discrepancies between files, even encording using the same codec, at different settings. You won't always get less each time, it depends on the source material - it's an artifact of the codec. > Generally, lossy compression reduces the complexity of the signal and not > it's timing. > I would assume the changes are caused due to anti-aliasing in the encoded file - it would be unreasonable not to expect aliasing to occur, considering what is going on. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 18:11:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27808; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 17:49:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 17:49:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: Fw: Can we take a second... Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 14:37:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Aug 2001 21:37:12.0832 (UTC) FILETIME=[EE272800:01C1319B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Couldn't you record a 'disposable loop' first, to create the timing, then > create your longer loop based on that, and then your second, shorter loop, > the same length as the first one? Or, go back and overdub the original loop, > if it was silent to begin with. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dennis Leas" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 1:28 PM > Subject: Re: Can we take a second... > > > > > In this case you would have to record the shorter loop first, multiply > it > > > and then record the longer loop. > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 18:30:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29856; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 18:09:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 18:09:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: SimpleTech 128mb formatting Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 14:57:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com SimpleTech are still our highest recommended card. It has become apparent that there are certain sets of cards currently in circulation that may not be compatible with Repeater. We are working with SimpleTech to isolate exactly which cards may have problems. We will have more information available in the next few days. Do not panic! In the short term we have come to an agreement with SimpleTech that if any Repeater user has bought an incompatible card, it will be replaced with a good card. If you get a SimpleTech card that just won't format (it will say "format fail"), this is what to do: 1. Feel good about buying SimpleTech 2. Please try it just once more to make sure. 3. If the card 'Just Won't Format', mail it to: 'My Card Won't Work' Electrix/IVL Technologies c/o Lisa Tyner 6710 Bertram Place Victoria BC Canada V8M 1Z6 4. As soon as we receive the incompatible card we will send you the new one right away. Again, we will have more information later but in the meantime SimpleTech has been providing an excellent level of support, and has voiced their commitment to providing CFC media that is compatible with Repeater. Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 18:36:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30066; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 18:14:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 18:14:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010830175912.0371a648@pop1.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 18:00:20 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: RE: SimpleTech 128mb formatting In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:57 PM 8/30/2001, you wrote: >SimpleTech are still our highest recommended card. >[...] >Do not panic! >In the short term we have come to an agreement with SimpleTech that if >any Repeater user has bought an incompatible card, it will be replaced >with a good card. >[...] >Again, we will have more information later but in the meantime SimpleTech >has been providing an excellent level of support, and has voiced their >commitment to providing CFC media that is compatible with Repeater. This kind of thing gives me a warm fuzzy feeling all over. :o) thanks damon and simpletech! plexus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 18:38:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28207; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 17:58:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 17:58:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Scott Wilson" To: Subject: RE: digital recording mystery Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 17:46:13 -0400 Message-ID: <001101c1319d$30ca37f0$d2f22a0c@dwfearn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 In-Reply-To: <017a01c13194$0b52ef70$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Generally, lossy compression reduces the complexity of the signal > and not it's timing. I think generally, yes, you may be right, but as there are no minidisc machines made with wordclock or smpte I/O, I don't think there's any guarantee that you can use minidisc for sample accurate exchange of audio. Scott From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 19:23:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01122; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 19:06:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 19:06:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 23:57:47 +0100 Subject: Repeater in the UK From: roberto To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007b01c126f1$73abd760$0201a8c0@stephen> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I seem to remember someone enquiring a few days ago about the Repeater's availability in the UK. Apparently SCV in London stock it. Here is their web address: http://www.scvlondon.co.uk/ ______________________________________________ Roberto Battista http://www.robat.scl.net http://www.robat.scl.net/lectures/index.shtm Tel. 0044 020 8449 1995 Mobile 0775 960 4344 ______________________________________________ http://www.rustyrobot.com independent on-line music distribution, the music you can't find elsewhere, hybrid, eclectic, world, looped, unusual... ______________________________________________ http://www.robat.scl.net/html/tibet/tibet.shtm an exciting project on technology applied to mobile education for developing countries and remote locations... ______________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 19:23:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01124; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 19:06:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 19:06:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8EC40D.D78D7478@club-internet.fr> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 00:54:06 +0200 From: Emmanuel PERILLE X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [fr] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Can we take a second... References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010830102009.0448d688@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim Flint wrote : > At 08:51 AM 8/30/2001, Brett Maraldo wrote: > >At 07:37 PM 8/29/2001, you wrote: > > > >>To recognize Damon and Electrix's achievment - there hasn't been a looper > >>this exciting built since Kim started the insanity. > > > >sure! Damon, Electrix, well done - I think you have succeeded in creating > >a revolutionary product. Its a looper, but it goes beyond your average > >looper and implements a feature-set that we loopers have wanted for years: > >multi-track stereo looping. > > actually the thing people have asked for for years is multiple tracks of > **different lengths**, which Repeater doesn't do. Bob Sellon's mythical > jamman upgrade does that, as does Emmanuel Perille's DJRND2 and DJRND3. > Emmanuel also was doing stereo and multi-track, multi-length loopers quite > a while ago, long before Electrix. He even has patents on it. Thanks Kim, Btw, Canada patent should become delivered next year Will get in touch with Audia french distributor very soon ... > Eventide boxes have also been used for multi-track and stereo loops for > quite a while, and people using MSP and kyma have also done these things. > > So I would say "evolutionary" perhaps. Revolutionary, no. > > >I know guys that shelled out big bucks for two EDP's because they needed > >stereo looping - this was years ago. > > and in that case, you can have different lengths, with a variety of options > for syncing them to each other or having them unsynchronized, letting > either one be the clock master for the other, etc., even letting different > people control them. You don't have those options with any other looper. > > >ps. Didn't Fripp start the insanity? (not that he was the first looper but > >he was the first to bring the technique to our attention) > > Maybe for you, but definitely not for me! (I don't think I qualify as > "starting" any insanity either. Just inciting more of it.) > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 19:25:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01295; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 19:08:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 19:08:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d801c131a8$58934dc0$00150b3e@c3v8b8> From: "tiscali" To: References: Subject: R: no repeater wet/dry mix? Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 01:06:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ACCYNNY www.rustyrobot.com Album "HYPNOS" ----- Original Message ----- From: Adam Levin To: Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 9:47 PM Subject: RE: no repeater wet/dry mix? > On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, Damon Langlois (Electrix) wrote: > > > You can expect the "dry mute" on/off to be in the next OS which we are > > working on now. > > Oh god, here comes the endless queries and whining about the OS release > date. > > -Adam > > ---- > T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t > http://www.darkaether.net/ > http://mp3.com/darkaether/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 19:27:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01123; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 19:06:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 19:06:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ba01c131a8$14388640$00150b3e@c3v8b8> From: "tiscali" To: References: Subject: R: mp3.spam Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 01:04:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B7_01C131B8.D708B4A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B7_01C131B8.D708B4A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: mp3.spamACCYNNY www.rustyrobot.com Album "HYPNOS" ----- Original Message -----=20 From: todd reynolds=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 6:45 PM Subject: Re: mp3.spam Dear david, Love your music. It's my first hearing... Thanks for posting... Best, Todd reynolds On 8/30/01 10:23 AM, "David Beardsley" wrote: folks, =20 I have two new files up at mp3.com, nemo and nowhere featuring 13 limit Just Intonation guitar and echos. =20 http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley =20 serve chilled and ohm... =20 =20 * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley ------=_NextPart_000_00B7_01C131B8.D708B4A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: mp3.spam
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 ------=_NextPart_000_00B7_01C131B8.D708B4A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 19:30:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01387; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 19:10:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 19:10:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013a01c131a8$b60a9c60$00150b3e@c3v8b8> From: "tiscali" To: References: <014701c12ceb$1db7b540$c7135cd1@-> Subject: R: EMUSIC Playlist #231 Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 01:08:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ACCYNNY www.rustyrobot.com Album "HYPNOS" ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Fox To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 12:21 AM Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #231 > [ Best viewed with a fixed spacing font. ] > > EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday > at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in > Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. > > Show #231 August 23, 2001. > > > RECAP: > On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Radio Massacre International > (RMI), a group from the UK that embraces improvisational emusic even in the > studio. The feature CD at midnight was the two CD set "Frozen North" > released on the Centaur label. The first disc was featured. > > Radio Massacre International > http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2001/focus01.html#aug > > > PLAYLIST: > > ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) > ======================= ======================== ============================== > 11:04 pm > Spectral Voices Smile of the Dew Coalescence (Spectral Spiral) > Spectral Voices Celestial Tides Coalescence (Spectral Spiral) > Tom Heasley Ground Zero Where the Earth Meets the Sky > (Hypnos) > Thom Brennan Pond Life Mist (SpaceForMusic.com) > Dweller at the Automatic Writing Ouroborus (Hypnos/Binary) > Threshold > Seofon Collecting the Spirits Zero Point (Hypnos/The Foundry) > Wavestar Tangent Zenith (Groove) > > 12:00 am > RMI Wrecks Frozen North (Centaur) > RMI What's the Point of Frozen North (Centaur) > Going to Crete? > RMI Small Frozen North Frozen North (Centaur) > RMI Rosemary's Baby Frozen North (Centaur) > RMI Drown * Frozen North (Centaur) > > 1:00 am > Robert Carty Live at the Old Church in Portland, Oregon, 7-28-01 > > 2:00 am > > * = exerpt > VA = Various Artists (compilation) > > > NEXT SHOW: > On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Radio Massacre > International. The feature CD at midnight will be "Organ Harvest" on the > Centaur label. > > I will play the music of Tom Heasley (tuba, loops, processing) and Jim Cole's > Spectral Voices (harmonic singing) in support of their upcoming concert at the > Gathering in Philadelphia. > > As part of WDIY's Salute to Records, I will play some examples of what brought > me to electronic music as well as some classic tracks from the early masters of > space music. > > The Gathering http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/events.html > > > Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html > ============================================================================ === > Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at > 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and > Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. > Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org > Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox > To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, send > email to: emusic-wdiy-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 19:57:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02760; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 19:36:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 19:36:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.181.139.165] Reply-To: "Greg S" From: "Greg S" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Repeater Q: Erase Loop via MIDI Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 16:23:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Aug 2001 23:23:22.0127 (UTC) FILETIME=[C28C71F0:01C131AA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Programming my foot controller (PMC 10) to handle the repeater and would like to have an "erase loop" option. Is this possible? Basically I need to mimic the hold of the erase/undo button plus all track selection plus erase/undo press. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 21:09:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07501; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 20:49:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 20:49:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 20:37:46 -0400 Subject: EDP Feedback control help From: Doug Miller To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's very likely that my EDP's feedback control knob is not functioning. There is no position that seems to have any effect. Is there a parameter that controls the function of the front panel knob? One that I may have inadvertantly mis-set? ============================================== Doug Miller Web Designer Columbus, Ohio http://www.dispatch.com http://www.cccn.org http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 21:41:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10670; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 21:25:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 21:25:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.202.177.54] From: "Jon" To: References: Subject: Re: EDP Feedback control help Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 18:13:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Aug 2001 01:13:05.0285 (UTC) FILETIME=[166AA350:01C131BA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You won't notice the effect of the feedback know until the >next< time the loop comes around. With a long loop this can seem strange. Does that help? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Miller" To: Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 5:37 PM Subject: EDP Feedback control help > It's very likely that my EDP's feedback control knob is not functioning. > There is no position that seems to have any effect. Is there a parameter > that controls the function of the front panel knob? One that I may have > inadvertantly mis-set? > ============================================== > > Doug Miller > Web Designer > Columbus, Ohio > > http://www.dispatch.com > http://www.cccn.org > http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 21:46:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10737; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 21:26:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 21:26:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: Foot pedal for Repeater Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 20:13:46 -0500 Message-ID: <00a601c131ba$2edf0390$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was reading through the Repeater Manual off the web site and saw the reference that the Digitech FS300 pedal will work with it. However, it doesn't seem to control all the functions, with the recommendation that additional functions should be programmed with another midi pedal like the PMC10. Has anyone heard if Electrix plans on releasing a more full featured (non midi) pedal to control the Repeater like the one that comes with the EDP? Thanks, Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 23:52:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28179; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 23:31:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 23:31:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010831031714.57607.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 20:17:14 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: EDP Feedback control help To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One thing to check - make sure nothing is plugged into the feedback jack on the back panel of the EDP. I seem to recall that the front knob will not work when using an exp pedal to control feedback. John --- Doug Miller wrote: > It's very likely that my EDP's feedback control knob > is not functioning. > There is no position that seems to have any effect. > Is there a parameter > that controls the function of the front panel knob? > One that I may have > inadvertantly mis-set? > ============================================== > > Doug Miller > Web Designer > Columbus, Ohio > > http://www.dispatch.com > http://www.cccn.org > http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 00:09:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28892; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 23:49:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 23:49:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Foot pedal for Repeater Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 20:37:21 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <00a601c131ba$2edf0390$6501a8c0@stevespc> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve said: >Has anyone heard if Electrix plans on releasing a more full >featured (non midi) pedal to control the Repeater like the one that >comes with the EDP? Because the CC's are all hardwired (as I recall), I would think a dedicated controller for the Repeater would be in order. However, I wonder if manufacturing a full-featured MIDI pedal like the PMC-10 would be worth Electrix's while. I like their stuff (IVL), and think any such controller would be worth whatever they sold it for. Hey Damon, any plans? Gary PS Still mastering my EDP :? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 01:10:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA00415; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 00:53:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 00:53:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "muman" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 21:42:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Damon (Electrix) Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Resent-Message-ID: <6RIihB.A.HzH.MWxj7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Damon, Thank you for going above and beyond etc., etc. and answering all of the LD questions. I'm sure that LD is a very small (and apparently whiny) part of your target market. I appreciate your continued clarifications on the use of the Repeater. As a Repeater owner (I have the "collectable" upside-down CFC) I'm really happy with the unit. I'm sure any problems will be worked out in the next version of the OS. Louis Hesselt-van-Dinter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 01:13:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA00414; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 00:53:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 00:53:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Imberg" To: Subject: RE: King Frippson Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 21:41:17 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Evening Star with Eno is (in my opinion). Blessing of Tears is beautiful. At the DGM site, they offer Pie Jesu which is a mini compilation from different Soundscape CD's On the subject of Fripp: I recently saw the Tool/King Crimson show at the Berkeley Community Theater. KC was alright (I'm not a huge KC fan) but Tool was awesome. Midway through Tool's set, the band left the stage, leaving a darkened figure at the back of the stage which turned out to be Robert Fripp doing some Soundscape loopage. Very cool. This lasted about 10 minutes before Tool returned. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Feeney [mailto:feeneymike@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 9:15 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: King Frippson Can someone recommend some good loop-based Robert Fripp stuff? I haven't heard a lot of his stuff, except for a few King Crimson tracks here and there. Thanks ... Mike _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 01:14:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA00421; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 00:53:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 00:53:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "muman" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 21:42:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Repeater Problem Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all, With all the posts about what the Repeater can't or doesn't do, I somehow got the impression that all the posters had one. Is it possible that all the negative comments about the Repeater are from people who don't have one and have never used one. The Repeater isn't the perfect looper. Surprise, surprise. Anyway, for those of you who actually have both a Repeater and an EDP, have you had any problems syncing the EDP to the Repeater? I have been attacking it with both manuals and the EDP FAQ and the EDP still wanders. It's kind of an interesting effect, but I would really like to get them to sync. Louis Hesselt-van-Dinter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 01:58:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04837; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 01:41:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 01:41:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.202.178.251] From: "Jon" To: References: Subject: Re: Repeater Problem Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 22:30:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Aug 2001 05:30:06.0284 (UTC) FILETIME=[FE0C58C0:01C131DD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Are you receiving synch messages at all? ie does the EDP synch light come on at each start of the repeater's loop? Can you synch to other stuff? Can you get a synch light from any other gear you have that can send midi clock? ----- Original Message ----- From: "muman" To: Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 9:42 PM Subject: Repeater Problem > Hello all, > With all the posts about what the Repeater can't or doesn't do, I > somehow got the impression that all the posters had one. Is it > possible that all the negative comments about the Repeater are > from people who don't have one and have never used one. The > Repeater isn't the perfect looper. Surprise, surprise. > > Anyway, for those of you who actually have both a Repeater and an > EDP, have you had any problems syncing the EDP to the > Repeater? I have been attacking it with both manuals and the EDP > FAQ and the EDP still wanders. It's kind of an interesting effect, > but I would really like to get them to sync. > Louis Hesselt-van-Dinter > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 02:02:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04834; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 01:41:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 01:41:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c131dd$985930c0$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: Subject: Re: mp3.spam Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 01:27:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0022_01C131BC.10EA7CA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <_Gh39C.A.LBB.SDyj7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C131BC.10EA7CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: mp3.spamThanks! db ----- Original Message -----=20 From: todd reynolds=20 Dear david, Love your music. 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Todd = reynolds ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C131BC.10EA7CA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 03:15:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08822; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 02:55:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 02:55:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010831004330.00808750@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 00:43:30 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: King Frippson In-Reply-To: References: <3B8E5FBE.A6B14EA7@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mike, one album I like a whole lot is Sacred Songs, Which features both Robert Fripp and Darryl Hall. It's actually a Darryl Hall release, but it has some of the most amazingly beautiful Frippertronic music on it, I've ever heard. Smiles, G-Girl At 11:14 AM 8/30/01 -0500, you wrote: > > > Can someone recommend some good loop-based Robert Fripp stuff? I >haven't heard a lot of his stuff, except for a few King Crimson tracks here >and there. Thanks ... > > Mike > > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 04:03:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA11850; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 03:43:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 03:43:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010831002726.025d5140@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 00:30:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Repeater Problem In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:42 PM 8/30/2001, muman wrote: >Anyway, for those of you who actually have both a Repeater and an >EDP, have you had any problems syncing the EDP to the >Repeater? I have been attacking it with both manuals and the EDP >FAQ and the EDP still wanders. It's kind of an interesting effect, >but I would really like to get them to sync. >Louis Hesselt-van-Dinter I replied to that earlier today. Have you read that post and tried any of the suggestions? If you answer the questions I asked it would help a lot in debugging your problem. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 04:32:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA14345; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 04:12:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 04:12:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <65.19ef8bfe.28c09e4b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 04:01:15 EDT Subject: Re: Feature Comparison (Repeater & EDP) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > EDP: Dumping loop digitally to external device only available through MIDI > (I think) That's right, it's slow though. The EDP allows you to change your loop length at any time you want, to any length you want, and still keep the loop running. It does this without producing glitches in the audio. It allows you to pick out a small section of of a larger loop, loop it, do anything you want with it, then if you like you can go back to the original loop. Having a dedicated footpedal is better for time sensitive operations, like tapping in a loop. My experience of MIDI controllers (Yamaha MFC-10) is that they can produce a big delay, in a situation where you want the smallest delay possible. I know other MIDI controllers have got to be better than the Yamaha, but surely they can never be as fast as a dedicated pedal. How quickly does the Repeater repond to MIDI? The original poster also asked about the JamMan, and indeed this does have few features compared to the EDP. Its not easier to use though, as the basic functions on the EDP are so simple. (the JamMan is notably slow in its MIDI response) Having both EDP & JamMan I've been able to make direct comparisons of the sound quality. The EDP is best for top end (higher sampling rate) but I found that a deep bass guitar line had more solidity on the JamMan. Well, wonder how the repeater fares in this respect, and with the repeater it's more significant what the Dry signal sounds like having passed through it. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 04:50:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA15454; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 04:33:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 04:33:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010831003213.00af1ad8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 01:21:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: SimpleTech 128mb formatting In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <2QkN8B.A.LoD.6l0j7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:57 PM 8/30/2001, Damon Langlois (Electrix) wrote: >SimpleTech are still our highest recommended card. > >It has become apparent that there are certain sets of cards currently in >circulation that may not be compatible with Repeater. We are working with >SimpleTech to isolate exactly which cards may have problems. We will have >more information available in the next few days. hmm...in my professional engineering life, I've dealt with a lot of these same companies. In my case it is usually with memory modules for dram, but the same companies make the flash cards, so I assume their operations are similar in all of their products. In my last job, I designed next-gen chipsets and motherboards for PC's. It was a constant nightmare to get all dram memory modules out there working with our chips. Not only do they vary all over the map in performance against their own specs, they change regularly! At least with the dram modules, they all have a little non-volatile memory on them describing their configurations, drive strength requirements, etc. With enough trial and error we were able to mostly read the data and configure our memory controller appropriately. Still, there was always something that didn't work. In my current job, I design high-end networking equipment. I deal with the same companies for the memory modules we want to design in. Of course, this application requires high performance parts with high reliability, and we can afford to pay for it. Now, all of a sudden these same companies let on that with their consumer grade parts they can't really guarantee the specs for a given part number! Only on the industrial grades can they do that. They strongly advise me not to use the consumer parts. These module companies don't really have much to do with the performance really, they just make a little pcb and stick some IC's on it. There are a lot of companies that make the IC chips. (it's the same for flash cards or dram modules). The module makers try to squeeze some slim profits in the face of intense competition. Their products, as well as the IC's they use on them, are basically commodity items. They are sold in spot markets where the prices fluctuate hourly. In order to make any money, they have to change their products all the time according to whichever chips they got cheapest that day. They don't change the part number, they just put different IC's on it and sell it as the same thing. If testing a particular lot of parts is going to cost too much, well they don't even bother to test them. The result is, the consumer grade part number you buy today may not be anything at all like the same part last week, or the same part next week! What I've learned is, if you want consistent performance in memory modules, you have to get the industrial grades of these parts. That's what we do now for the things we design. Those parts are guaranteed to make the specs, they will always use the same IC's on them, and they are tested. They cost more, but avoiding the whole headache of the consumer parts is worth it. Again, my experience is with dram, but it's the same companies making the modules and the same companies making the chips as with flash cards. I imagine the story is the same. So if Repeater can't work with the whole range of possible card specs out there, I would seriously advise Electrix to forget about these consumer grade parts. Either qualify industrial grade parts and have your dealers sell them to customers as approved memory, or test consumer parts yourself and sell them direct. You'll save yourselves and your customers a lot of trouble. Of course there will be some people who bitch about the extra cost. Let 'em go buy it at their computer superstore and take their chances. the people who are going to care about getting something they know will work won't mind paying a bit more. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 04:51:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA15275; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 04:31:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 04:31:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004601c131f5$acfb6670$51cec22b@cambmaya04> From: "Os" To: References: Subject: Re: Repeater in the UK Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 09:19:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <7Dd8O.A.ilD.ci0j7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I seem to remember someone enquiring a few days ago about the Repeater's > availability in the UK. > Apparently SCV in London stock it. Here is their web address: > http://www.scvlondon.co.uk/ SCV are just a distributor AFAIK. I emailed them about it, but they never replied. I'm going to go & badger my local store about Repeater tomorrow, see if I can get them to get one in. cheers, os. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 04:52:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA15442; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 04:33:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 04:33:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: no repeater wet/dry mix? Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 01:22:52 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <9-IGFB.A.tkD.yh0j7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alto Music was selling them for under 500 bucks a piece. They got bitched out by Electrix so they raised the price to $549. I ordered mine for $525 from Sixte Cycle (affiliated with Leitz Music in Florida). Guitar Center is selling them for $599. -- TG -----Original Message----- From: Mike Feeney [mailto:feeneymike@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 9:15 AM To: gnominus@earthling.net; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: no repeater wet/dry mix? how much are the repeaters going for? mike on 8/30/01 10.00 AM, J. Miranda V. at gnominus@earthling.net wrote: > Funny. I'll buy a repeater as soon as I have the money! > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: faisal moro [mailto:faisalmoro@mac.com] > | Sent: Wednesday 29 August 2001 11:33 PM > | To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > | Subject: RE: no repeater wet/dry mix? > | > | > | Even if a general "dry mute" parameter could be maybe more easy to > | manage, that would e a great thing anyway. > | I'll buy Repeater as soon as such a feature will be avaliable! > | > | Thanks for your fast reply! > | > | Doei > | Faisal _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 04:59:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA15728; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 04:42:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 04:42:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010831012259.02600008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 01:28:47 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP Feedback control help In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:37 PM 8/30/2001, you wrote: >It's very likely that my EDP's feedback control knob is not functioning. >There is no position that seems to have any effect. Is there a parameter >that controls the function of the front panel knob? One that I may have >inadvertantly mis-set? you might check that the Loop/Delay parameter is on Loop. That parameter affects how feedback works. (although the knob should still control feedback, but in delay mode it depends on whether overdub is on or not.) If you are uncertain about it, you can also reset the parameters to defaults by holding the parameter button down at startup, and leaving it pressed until it finishes the bootup. If you've done that and nothing is connected to the feedback pedal input on the back, there may well be something wrong with it. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 05:02:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA15729; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 04:42:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 04:42:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: Syncing the EDP to the Repeater Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 01:32:57 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010830093416.0449de50@loopers-delight.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes it does. I emailed Electrix with a related question and received the reply: "...the effects unit can synchronize to MIDI clock from Repeater, and any changes to tap tempo will be transmitted and received. In fact, you could have either Repeater or the Lexicon unit as master or slave..." -- TG -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 10:14 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Syncing the EDP to the Repeater does Repeater actually generate MIDI clock out? I looked through the repeater feature lists and manual and saw mention of sync to midi clock in, but couldn't find anything about clock out. It's hard for me to imagine it doesn't do that, so I'm guessing I missed it? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 06:08:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA23026; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 05:48:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 05:48:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8F7511.BA702C11@vtx.ch> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 11:29:21 +0000 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Attn Kim, members and Mr Tiscali Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Guys May I suggest we throw Mr.Tiscali grazianoaccinni@tiscalinet.it out of LD You may have noticed that he's been spamming the list out of proportion adding his promo link to whatever post he chooses to reply to without any content whatsoever more than 10 times. Mr Tiscali can stop that and apologise if he understands that the worst way to get some exposure for his music is by stupidly pissing off this first class list. Whadaya think Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 06:29:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA20448; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 05:17:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 05:17:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c131fc$86bae740$51cec22b@cambmaya04> From: "Os" To: References: Subject: repeater price, was Re: no repeater wet/dry mix? Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 10:08:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Alto Music was selling them for under 500 bucks a piece. They got bitched > out by Electrix so they raised the price to $549. I ordered mine for $525 > from Sixte Cycle (affiliated with Leitz Music in Florida). Guitar Center is > selling them for $599. just found out that the UK list price is 649 pounds - about $950! once again, we get screwed royally. :( I wonder if Electrix know about this, or whether it's just the distributor hiking the price? os. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 07:45:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA30309; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 07:25:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 07:25:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: repeater price, was Re: no repeater wet/dry mix? Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 04:17:32 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <002301c131fc$86bae740$51cec22b@cambmaya04> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow. That's twice what some people have paid. What are the legal issues of ordering it from the US and paying shipping? Or better yet, having a friend in the US buy it and send it to you separately? Good luck. And sorry to hear about the exorbitant price. -- TG -----Original Message----- From: Os [mailto:os@scee.sony.co.uk] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 2:09 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: repeater price, was Re: no repeater wet/dry mix? > Alto Music was selling them for under 500 bucks a piece. They got bitched > out by Electrix so they raised the price to $549. I ordered mine for $525 > from Sixte Cycle (affiliated with Leitz Music in Florida). Guitar Center is > selling them for $599. just found out that the UK list price is 649 pounds - about $950! once again, we get screwed royally. :( I wonder if Electrix know about this, or whether it's just the distributor hiking the price? os. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 07:51:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA30429; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 07:30:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 07:30:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:19:28 +0100 Subject: Re: repeater price, was Re: no repeater wet/dry mix? From: roberto To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002301c131fc$86bae740$51cec22b@cambmaya04> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 31/8/01 10:08 AM, Os at os@scee.sony.co.uk wrote: > > >> Alto Music was selling them for under 500 bucks a piece. They got bitched >> out by Electrix so they raised the price to $549. I ordered mine for $525 >> from Sixte Cycle (affiliated with Leitz Music in Florida). Guitar Center > is >> selling them for $599. > > just found out that the UK list price is 649 pounds - about $950! > > once again, we get screwed royally. :( > > I wonder if Electrix know about this, or whether it's just the distributor > hiking the price? > I have discussed this issue of unreasonable price difference between USA and the UK with several dealers on numberless occasions. It applies to any imported item, no matter of what kind. The general claim is that most of the difference is due to custom/import taxes, nothing to do with the dealers themselves making more profit. Another small portion is due to higher overall business costs for UK traders (higher income tax, higher rents etc.) and the actual cost of shipment. I don't know if there is a solution. So far the only way around it I could find is to get someone to buy things for me abroad, then send them to me marked as "personal present" - Even so the Customs have occasionally opened the parcel and questioned the "present", once charging me the import tax, the value added tax plus a handling fee..., thus doubling the actual cost of the "present"! Roberto ______________________________________________ Roberto Battista http://www.robat.scl.net http://www.robat.scl.net/lectures/index.shtm Tel. 0044 020 8449 1995 Mobile 0775 960 4344 ______________________________________________ http://www.rustyrobot.com independent on-line music distribution, the music you can't find elsewhere, hybrid, eclectic, world, looped, unusual... ______________________________________________ http://www.robat.scl.net/html/tibet/tibet.shtm an exciting project on technology applied to mobile education for developing countries and remote locations... ______________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 08:07:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA30994; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 07:47:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 07:47:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c13210$deb4a210$51cec22b@cambmaya04> From: "Os" To: References: Subject: Re: repeater price, was Re: no repeater wet/dry mix? Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:34:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Wow. That's twice what some people have paid. What are the legal issues of > ordering it from the US and paying shipping? Or better yet, having a friend > in the US buy it and send it to you separately? Good luck. And sorry to > hear about the exorbitant price. As roberto points out, you end up paying tax & import duty, not to mention shipping. Perfectly legal though. But even so, if the US price is low enough, it can be worth it. I've bought stuff from the States before. I'll see what my local dealer can do for me. cheers, os. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 08:57:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01852; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 08:36:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 08:36:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Foot pedal for Repeater Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 07:23:55 -0500 Message-ID: <002201c13217$cdc71ee0$6501a8c0@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes that would be nice. Either a smaller unit like the EDP one to go along side my PMC10 or a single unit with all of the PMC10's functionality (to control all my other gear) but with a row of buttons (metal ones I hope) specifically for the PMC10, maybe like the Line6 Vetta FBX pedal with built in expression pedals as well. Steve > Steve said: > >Has anyone heard if Electrix plans on releasing a more full featured > >(non midi) pedal to control the Repeater like the one that > comes with > >the EDP? > > Because the CC's are all hardwired (as I recall), I would > think a dedicated controller for the Repeater would be in > order. However, I wonder if manufacturing a full-featured > MIDI pedal like the PMC-10 would be worth Electrix's while. > I like their stuff (IVL), and think any such controller would > be worth whatever they sold it for. Hey Damon, any plans? > Gary PS Still mastering my EDP :? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 09:11:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA03000; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 08:50:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 08:50:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000401c13150$5cdcbf40$c60f5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Top 20 Report for August Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 08:35:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 report to New Age Voice and CD Revolutions for August, 2001. Shows #228 to #232; 2-August-2001 to 30-August-2001 Reported in non-ranked order. Compiled by Bill Fox, billfox@fast.net ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL ============================ Alpha Wave Movement & Jim Cole - Bislama - Spectral Spiral Dweller at the Threshold - Ouroborus - Hypnos/Binary Paul Ellis - Into the Liquid Unknown - Hypnos/Binary RMI - Borrowed Atoms - Centaur RMI - Frozen North - Centaur RMI - Knutsford in May - Centaur RMI - Zabriskie Point - Centaur Robert Carty - Midnight Rainbows - Deep Sky Saul Stokes - Abstraction - Green House Seofon - Zero Point - Hypnos/The Foundry Spectral Voices - Coalescence - Spectral Spiral Tacit Blue - Dreamland - tacitblue.net Telomere - Zoetosis - Evenfall Thom Brennan - Mist - SpaceForMusic.com Tom Heasley - Where the Earth Meets the Sky - Hypnos van Zyl, Gulch & Rath - The Sound Museum - Groove Various Artists - Tracks Across the Universe - none Victor Cerullo - Loneflyer - Groove vidnaObmana - Soundtrack for the Aquarium - Hypnos Wavestar - Zenith - Groove Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, send email to: emusic-wdiy-subscribe@yahoogroups.com or go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] (on the right side of the screen) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 09:14:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA03240; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 08:54:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 08:54:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000501c13151$282af360$c60f5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #232 Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 08:41:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed with a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #232 August 30, 2001. RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Radio Massacre International (RMI), a group from the UK that embraces improvisational emusic even in the studio. The feature CD at midnight was the two CD set "The God of Electricity" released on the Centaur label. All but two tracks from the first hour of EMUSIC were vinyl as part of WDIY's week-long Salute to Records. I also played the music of Jim Cole's Spectral Voices and Tom Heasley in support of their upcoming concert at the Gathering. RMI http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2001/focus01.html#aug The Gathering http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm The Monkees Daily Nightly Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn and Jones Ltd. (Colgems) Pink Floyd On the Run Dark Side of the Moon (Capitol) Wendy Carlos Timesteps * Clockwork Orange (Columbia) Tomita Promenade/The Gnome Pictures at an Exhibition (RCA) Louis & Bebe Barron Love at the Swimming Forbidden Planet (Planet Hole Records) Synergy Synergy Electronic Orchestrations for Rock Orchestra (Passport) Jean-Michel Jarre Oxygene I Oxygene (Polydor) Tangerine Dream The Big Sleep in Search Stratosphear (Virgin) of Hades Kraftwerk Autobahn * Autobahn (Phonogram) Giles Reaves Wunjo Wunjo (MCA) Spectral Voices From the Birds * Sky (Spectral Spiral) Tom Heasley Monterey Bay * Where the Earth Meets the Sky (Hypnos) 12:00 am RMI Part 1 Frozen North (Centaur) RMI Part 2 Frozen North (Centaur) RMI Part 3 Frozen North (Centaur) RMI Part 4 Frozen North (Centaur) RMI Part 5 Frozen North (Centaur) RMI Part 6 Frozen North (Centaur) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on Pete Namlook. The feature CD at midnight will be "Possible Gardens" on the FAX label with Peter Prochir. I will play the music of Tom Heasley (tuba, loops, processing) and Jim Cole's Spectral Voices (harmonic singing) in support of their upcoming concert at the Gathering in Philadelphia. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, send email to: emusic-wdiy-subscribe@yahoogroups.com or go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] (on the right side of the screen) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 09:26:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04910; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 09:06:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 09:06:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003f01c13152$95c0bbc0$c60f5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist #232 Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 08:51:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <_GBFd.A.Ez.kk4j7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oops, sorry. Here is a correction to this week's playlist. The album was The God of Electricity, not Frozen North. --Bill -----Original Message----- From: Bill Fox > Show #232 August 30, 2001. > >PLAYLIST: > >ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) >======================= ======================== ============================== >12:00 am >RMI Part 1 The God of Electricity (Centaur) >RMI Part 2 The God of Electricity (Centaur) >RMI Part 3 The God of Electricity (Centaur) >RMI Part 4 The God of Electricity (Centaur) >RMI Part 5 The God of Electricity (Centaur) >RMI Part 6 The God of Electricity (Centaur) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 10:19:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA08675; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 09:59:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 09:59:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006d01c13222$f225e090$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Syncing the EDP to the Repeater Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 08:43:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <8PzaFB.A.1uB.BW5j7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, Tim, do you have a computer-MIDI interface? If so, what might help greatly is to monitor the MIDI communication with some tool like MIDI-OX (if you're PC based). That way you can actually SEE what's going on. You can even capture the MIDI comm. as a text file and send it to Kim, the Electrix folks, or even us. There's probably something like MIDI-OX for the Mac. http://www.midiox.com/ Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 10:29:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA09124; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 10:08:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 10:08:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: partagas.dragonet.es: 193-153-189-236.uc.nombres.ttd.es [193.153.189.236] didn't use HELO protocol Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010831155003.00964100@mail.dragonet.es> X-Sender: d3055@mail.dragonet.es X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 15:50:03 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Raul Bonell Subject: repeater price + taxes in europe In-Reply-To: References: <002301c131fc$86bae740$51cec22b@cambmaya04> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:19 p.m. 31/08/01 +0100, you wrote: hi >I have discussed this issue of unreasonable price difference between USA and >the UK with several dealers on numberless occasions. It applies to any >imported item, no matter of what kind. The general claim is that most of the >difference is due to custom/import taxes, nothing to do with the dealers >themselves making more profit. Another small portion is due to higher >overall business costs for UK traders (higher income tax, higher rents etc.) >and the actual cost of shipment. governments sucks us continuously, that's they task above all ... >I don't know if there is a solution. So far the only way around it I could >find is to get someone to buy things for me abroad, then send them to me >marked as "personal present" - Even so the Customs have occasionally opened >the parcel and questioned the "present", once charging me the import tax, >the value added tax plus a handling fee..., thus doubling the actual cost of >the "present"! i think this is the solution, since you have a way of claiming those taxes added if you can demostrate that it really was a present. at least here in spain. i did it for a preamp i bought from an australian friend and it lasted a call to the customs (that prior retained the *present*) (... "what's this thing for ?" .. ehermmm ...) to solve the matter maybe this can vary depending on the *present* value. any lawyer here to clarify all this ? cheers, Raul Bonell Tapeadores http://www.dragonet.es/users/d3055/tap From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 10:58:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10493; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 10:38:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 10:38:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "muman" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 07:27:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Syncing the EDP to the Repeater Priority: normal In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.2.20010830093416.0449de50@loopers-delight.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Resent-Message-ID: <-G_TpB.A.-ZC.165j7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all, Sorry about repeating (repeating) my problem. I have a number of excuses, but I won't bore you with any of them. > > does Repeater actually generate MIDI clock out? I looked through the > repeater feature lists and manual and saw mention of sync to midi > clock in, but couldn't find anything about clock out. It's hard for me > to imagine it doesn't do that, so I'm guessing I missed it? Yes, I'm getting stable clock out. 3 other Electrix components and an emu sound module sync accurately. > Assuming it does, you should see the sync LED flashing on the EDP to > indicate it is receiving clock. This is the decimal point on the lower > right of the display. It should flash where the Echoplex thinks the > beginning of the loop is. Are you seeing that? Yes, I'm seeing the flash. > once the echoplex has started receiving sync and the LED has flashed, > pressing Record will put you into a waiting period. The display will > show "ooo". It waits for the next startpoint to come along, at which > point it automatically starts Recording. When you press Record again, > it again shows the "ooo" and waits for the start point again, at which > point it stops recording. Did it do that much? Yes, it also appears to correctly start the recording. > Then, assuming the EDP continues to receive a good midi clock it will > continue to sync to it by aligning it's start point with the midi > clock. You can tell when it actually adjusts itself, because two > decimal points will flash. Here is where I run into a problem. I just created an empty loop on the EDP of 4.1 (Repeater = 120BPM, 2 measures). The loop actually started on the 2nd measure 2nd beat, than drifts one half beat every cycle. > If the incoming midi clock tempo stays within a reasonable window, the > echoplex will continue to sync to it. This is to handle drift between > machines. (I forget the size of the window exactly, somewhere around > +/- 5BPM). If the clock changes by more than that, the Echoplex > assumes you intend for things to go out of sync and stops trying to > sync itself to the source. With Repeater you can change loop tempo a > lot, which I assume would change the midi clock out tempo too? If you > are doing that and Repeater is the clock master, you will get mixed > results with other devices. Some things will follow it and some won't. During the sync process, I am not changing the Repeater loop tempo. > also, are you using the current software for the Echoplex, > LoopIIIv5.0? That made a lot of improvements for midi sync. Most > importantly, it allowed the echoplex to continue keeping itself in > sync after the initial loop was recorded. The older software just > sync'd the initial loop and then ran free, which tended to have > problems with drift. I am using Loop 3, v5.0 Thank you for your help. Louis Hesselt-van-Dinter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 11:07:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11163; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 10:49:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 10:49:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: partagas.dragonet.es: 193-153-189-236.uc.nombres.ttd.es [193.153.189.236] didn't use HELO protocol Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010831164524.00985de0@mail.dragonet.es> X-Sender: d3055@mail.dragonet.es X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:45:24 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Raul Bonell Subject: OT: free mp3 sites In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010831155003.00964100@mail.dragonet.es> References: <002301c131fc$86bae740$51cec22b@cambmaya04> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi there ! can anybody tell me other sites offering similar services to mp3.com ? (they don't accept my cover ...) thanks, Raul Bonell Tapeadores http://www.dragonet.es/users/d3055/tap From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 11:20:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13238; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 11:03:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 11:03:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d501c1323e$8a9a1740$53709818@default> From: "Daniel" To: Subject: Fw: King Frippson Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 11:01:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anyone interested pleasse involve yourself with #BrianEno on Dalnet using Mirc. There's a free Ftp available to all users From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 11:20:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13298; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 11:05:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 11:05:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: mark.red@involvelearning.com Subject: Re: repeater price + taxes in europe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.4 June 8, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:50:56 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on mail/External/InvolveLearning(Release 5.0.3 (Intl)|21 March 2000) at 08/31/2001 05:14:41 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Or if you wanna be really naughty, do what I do here in Norway (where its bloody expensive to import). Ask the seller to mark the customs declaration that its a repair item, that you sent to the US to be fixed/upgraded. Works like a dream! Mark smuggler Red Raul Bonell cc: Subject: repeater price + taxes in europe 31/08/2001 15:50 Please respond to Loopers-Delig ht At 12:19 p.m. 31/08/01 +0100, you wrote: hi >I have discussed this issue of unreasonable price difference between USA and >the UK with several dealers on numberless occasions. It applies to any >imported item, no matter of what kind. The general claim is that most of the >difference is due to custom/import taxes, nothing to do with the dealers >themselves making more profit. Another small portion is due to higher >overall business costs for UK traders (higher income tax, higher rents etc.) >and the actual cost of shipment. governments sucks us continuously, that's they task above all ... >I don't know if there is a solution. So far the only way around it I could >find is to get someone to buy things for me abroad, then send them to me >marked as "personal present" - Even so the Customs have occasionally opened >the parcel and questioned the "present", once charging me the import tax, >the value added tax plus a handling fee..., thus doubling the actual cost of >the "present"! i think this is the solution, since you have a way of claiming those taxes added if you can demostrate that it really was a present. at least here in spain. i did it for a preamp i bought from an australian friend and it lasted a call to the customs (that prior retained the *present*) (... "what's this thing for ?" .. ehermmm ...) to solve the matter maybe this can vary depending on the *present* value. any lawyer here to clarify all this ? cheers, Raul Bonell Tapeadores http://www.dragonet.es/users/d3055/tap From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 11:24:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13237; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 11:03:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 11:03:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c701c1323e$42d68240$53709818@default> From: "Daniel" To: Subject: Fw: King Frippson Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 10:59:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com not a huge KC fan, more of a Tool Fan!!!!!!!!! what a nutter! nethertheless i have said bootleg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 11:41:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14592; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 11:25:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 11:25:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3B8F7511.BA702C11@vtx.ch> References: <3B8F7511.BA702C11@vtx.ch> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 11:11:01 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Attn Kim, members and Mr Tiscali Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Guys >May I suggest we throw Mr.Tiscali grazianoaccinni@tiscalinet.it out of >LD > >You may have noticed that he's been spamming the list out of proportion >adding his promo link to whatever post he chooses to reply to without >any content whatsoever more than 10 times. agree 100%. throw him out unless he contributes positively. /t .........a new fortune every minute. ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 11:43:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14402; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 11:23:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 11:23:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009801c1322e$a4f7eb40$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <200108301751.NAA11114@hemlock.violacea.com> <005f01c13184$dd2ad360$ab416f40@oemcomputer> <017a01c13194$0b52ef70$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: digital recording mystery Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 10:07:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0095_01C13204.BBE1CD00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0095_01C13204.BBE1CD00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now ya' got me thinkin'! =20 Interesting problem...you've convinced me that the minidisc is the major = culprit. So I ran a couple of experiments. (I used my Kyma system for all of = this, operating it at 44.1 kHz sampling rate, and a Sharp MD MS-702. = Your milage may vary.) =20 Experiment 1: I generated a 20 kHz sine wave of 4 seconds duration. I recorded it to = minidisc. I played it back and re-recorded it. Items of note: 1) The = playback signal was actually longer than 4 seconds. 2) The signal = played back as a 20 kHz sine wave. I'd expect the signal to be slightly longer due to filtering so (1) = doesn't surprise me too much. (2) is due to the adaptive nature of = ATRAC. I understand you can record a pure sine wave and play it back = unchanged (well pretty much unchanged anyway considering the ADC and = DAC). And this experiment confirmed that. But consider that there is = not the storage capacity on the minidisc for a full bandwidth signal. = I.e., on a 74 minute minidisc, I can't record 74 minutes of a 20 kHz = sine wave. There's simple not enough room as Nyquist states. Experiment 2: Same procedure repeated with white noise instead of a sine wave. 1) I = still see the playback signal as longer than 4 seconds, but only = slightly. 2) The playback signal has been limited to 18 kHz. There's = good evidence of two filters, the first at approximately 17 kHz and the = second at at 18 kHz. Four seconds is not very long. One of these days, I should repeat the = experiment with real music of four minutes or more. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com ------=_NextPart_000_0095_01C13204.BBE1CD00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Now ya' got me thinkin'! 
 
Interesting problem...you've convinced me that the = minidisc is=20 the major culprit.
 
So I ran a couple of experiments.  (I used my = Kyma system=20 for all of this, operating it at 44.1 kHz sampling rate, and a Sharp MD=20 MS-702.  Your milage may vary.) 
 
Experiment 1:
I generated a 20 kHz sine wave of 4 seconds = duration.  I=20 recorded it to minidisc.  I played it back and re-recorded = it.  Items=20 of note: 1) The playback signal was actually longer than 4 = seconds.  2) The=20 signal played back as a 20 kHz sine wave.
 
I'd expect the signal to be slightly longer due to = filtering=20 so (1) doesn't surprise me too much.  (2) is due to the adaptive = nature of=20 ATRAC.  I understand you can record a pure sine wave and play it = back=20 unchanged (well pretty much unchanged anyway considering the ADC and = DAC). =20 And this experiment confirmed that.  But consider that there is not = the=20 storage capacity on the minidisc for a full bandwidth signal.  = I.e., on a=20 74 minute minidisc, I can't record 74 minutes of a 20 kHz sine = wave. =20 There's simple not enough room as Nyquist states.
 
Experiment 2:
Same procedure repeated with white noise instead of = a sine=20 wave.  1) I still see the playback signal as longer than 4 seconds, = but=20 only slightly.  2) The playback signal has been limited to 18 = kHz. =20 There's good evidence of two filters, the first at approximately 17 kHz = and the=20 second at at 18 kHz.
 
Four seconds is not very long.  One=20 of these days, I should repeat the experiment with real music of four = minutes or=20 more.
 
Dennis Leas
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dennis@mdbs.com
------=_NextPart_000_0095_01C13204.BBE1CD00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 12:02:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15408; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 11:41:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 11:41:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <13f.981cfd.28c106d8@aol.com> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 11:27:20 EDT Subject: missing posts To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_13f.981cfd.28c106d8_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_13f.981cfd.28c106d8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i seem to be missing some posts.....i see answers but no questions.....anyone else have this problem, not that questionless answers are a problem mind you!.....:)m --part1_13f.981cfd.28c106d8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i seem to be missing some posts.....i see answers but no questions.....anyone
else have this problem, not that questionless answers are a problem mind
you!.....:)m --part1_13f.981cfd.28c106d8_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 12:25:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17426; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:01:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:01:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Scott Wilson" To: Subject: RE: free mp3 sites Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 11:50:11 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c13234$9e7dfe70$d2f22a0c@dwfearn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010831164524.00985de0@mail.dragonet.es> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Try the Internet Underground Music Archive (www.IUMA.com) - I can't remember who just bought them, but they've been around for a long time... longer than MP3.com... -Scott From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 12:40:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18514; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:24:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:24:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8FB76B.DE4B8D97@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 09:12:27 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Vintage CFC and Repeater first impressions References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010830102009.0448d688@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20010830154114.00ae8160@pop1.sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey boys and girls, Well, it finally happened. Last night I high tailed it over to Banana's At Large and picked up my Repeater. I must say that Rik my salesman was VERY knowledgeable about The repeater and looping in general. We had a nice chat about the Repeater vs. the Echoplex DP and agreed that none of them would ever stand up to what the Againinator will be once they open up stem cell research so R&D can continue. I zoomed home, had dinner with my hungry wife, and then finally hooked up the Repeater in my rig. Nothing fancy, just put it at the end of the signal path. This fucker is SWEET. I did have an initial horror: I DIDN'T GET ONE OF THE VINTAGE UPSIDEDOWN LABEL CFC CARDS FOR THAT SPECIAL DT/SPLATTERCELL SOUND! The horror! Don't assume the card goes in with the label on the bottom. Mine did not. Putting it in with the label on top was VERY easy and obvious that it was the correct way to do it. One of my MAIN tests of any new gear is whether or not I can "make it go", on a basic level, without reading the manual. Within moments, I had synched an 8 bar stereo loop to my Roland MC-307. I don't mind having to record a blank loop so that I get seamless ins and outs. I use that time to build an intro anyway. Before I knew it, I was playing the loop backwards and over dubbing onto it, then re-reversing it to hear my dubs backwards and my original loop forward. I would say that in terms of usability, that's way more than basic operation. Who ever designed the interface of this baby did their home work. Even though they were absent on the day they taught "wet/dry mix." ha ha Well, I didn't have any time to dive deeper, as it was getting close to my bedtime, and I didn't have my studio setup they way I would truly want it to be. I can see it's going to take a while to find out the best place for this in the signal chain. One slight criticism is that you don't get both 4 separate outputs AND an effects loop. I knew that before hand and bought it anyway. Don't think software will fix that one. No matter, it's plenty versatile, and with an extra macie mixer, I think I shouldn't have any problem with this. I love the marketing-glib-down-with-da-peeps manual, though my eyeball sockets are sore from excessive eye rolling. OUCH! OK, must head to work. Was it worth the wait? Sure was, but it would have been sweet to have this last November too. Damn, I should have had this all my life! Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 12:40:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18511; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:24:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:24:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8FB98E.6E02@Hevanet.Com.> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 09:21:34 -0700 From: DaViD AuKeR X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: mo' EDP Tutorial, pleas! (re: Feature Comparison (Repeater & EDP) References: <200108311458.KAA11803@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com andy butler (SoundFNR@aol.com) said: > > The EDP allows you to change your loop length at any time you want, to any > length you want, and still keep the loop running. It does this without > producing glitches in the audio. > It allows you to pick out a small section of of a larger loop, loop it, do > anything you want with it, then if you like you can go back to the original > loop. > Andy, Kim, et al.: HOW IS THAT DONE? How would the appropiate parameters be set to accomplish that? I like the EDP manual, but it seems more to show available tricks when "AT the parameter settings," rather than "to do such and such, go to this parameter and set thusly." Dav~id "Sundays on the phone to Monday, Tuesdays on the phone to me. Oh, yeah." L/M From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 12:47:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18672; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:26:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:26:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8FB71C.C4219341@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 09:11:08 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Vintage CFC and Repeater first impressions References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010830102009.0448d688@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20010830154114.00ae8160@pop1.sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey boys and girls, Well, it finally happend. Last night I high tailed it over to Banana's At Large and picked up my Repeater. I must say that Rik my salesman was VERY knowledgable about The repeater and looping in general. We had a nice chat about the Repeater vs. the Echoplex DP and agreed that none of them would ever stand up to what the Againinator will be once they open up stem cell research so R&D can continue. I zoomed home, had dinner with my hungry wife, and then finally hooked up the Repeater in my rig. Nothing fancy, just put it at the end of the signal path. This fucker is SWEET. I did have an initial horror: I DIDN'T GET ONE OF THE VINTAGE UPSIDEDOWN LABLE CFC CARDS FOR THAT SPECIAL DT/SPLATTERCELL SOUND! The horror! Don't assume the card goes in with the lable on the bottom. Mine did not. Putting it in with the lable on top was VERY easy and obvious that it was the correct way to do it. One of my MAIN tests of any new gear is wether or not I can "make it go", on a basic level, without reading the manual. Within moments, I had synched an 8 bar stereo loop to my Roland MC-307. I don't mind having to record a blank loop so that I get seamless ins and outs. I use that time to build an intro anyway. Before I knew it, I was playing the loop backwards and over dubbing onto it, then re-reversing it to hear my dubs backwards and my original loop forward. I would say that in terms of useability, that's way more than basic operation. Who ever designed the interface of this baby did their home work. Even though they were absent on the day they taught "wet/dry mix." ha ha Well, I didn't have any time to dive deeper, as it was getting close to my bedtime, and I didn't have my studio setup they way I would truely want it to be. I can see it's going to take a while to find out the best place for this in the signal chain. One slight critasism is that you don't get both 4 seperate outputs AND an effects loop. I knew that before hand and bought it anyway. Don't think software will fix that one. No matter, it's plenty versatile, and with an extra macie mixer, I think I shouldn't have any problem with this. I love the marketing-glib-down-with-da-peeps manual, though my eyeball sockes are sore from excessive eye rollling. OUCH! OK, must head to work. Was it worth the wait? Sure was, but it would have been sweet to have this last November too. Damn, I should have had this all my life! Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 12:50:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18843; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:29:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:29:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB7BD@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Attn Kim, members and Mr Tiscali Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:16:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C13238.3D355FB0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C13238.3D355FB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" yep, i agree i have attempted to post to him saying the his spam was not welcome. it has cooled down somewhat since then, but . . . sl -----Original Message----- From: Claude Voit [mailto:c.voit@vtx.ch] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 4:29 AM To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Attn Kim, members and Mr Tiscali Guys May I suggest we throw Mr.Tiscali grazianoaccinni@tiscalinet.it out of LD You may have noticed that he's been spamming the list out of proportion adding his promo link to whatever post he chooses to reply to without any content whatsoever more than 10 times. Mr Tiscali can stop that and apologise if he understands that the worst way to get some exposure for his music is by stupidly pissing off this first class list. Whadaya think Claude ------_=_NextPart_001_01C13238.3D355FB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Attn Kim, members and Mr Tiscali

yep, i agree

i have attempted to post to him saying the his spam = was not welcome. it has cooled down somewhat since then, but . . . =

sl

-----Original Message-----
From: Claude Voit [mailto:c.voit@vtx.ch]
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 4:29 AM
To: Loopers-Delight
Subject: Attn Kim, members and Mr Tiscali


Guys
May I suggest we throw Mr.Tiscali = grazianoaccinni@tiscalinet.it out of
LD

You may have noticed that he's been spamming the list = out of proportion
adding his promo link to whatever post he chooses to = reply to without
any content whatsoever more than 10 times.

Mr Tiscali can stop that and  apologise if he = understands that the worst
way to get some exposure for his music is by = stupidly pissing off this
first class list.

Whadaya think

Claude

------_=_NextPart_001_01C13238.3D355FB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 13:07:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19873; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:48:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:48:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006b01c1323a$625600e0$6b44230a@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <13f.981cfd.28c106d8@aol.com> Subject: Re: missing posts Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:31:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cross check the message posts on the website, maybe? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 11:27 AM Subject: missing posts > i seem to be missing some posts.....i see answers but no questions.....anyone > else have this problem, not that questionless answers are a problem mind > you!.....:)m > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 13:09:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19884; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:49:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:49:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8FBEB8.E5B6F0A@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 09:43:42 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fw: King Frippson References: <00d501c1323e$8a9a1740$53709818@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Daniel wrote: > anyone interested pleasse involve yourself with #BrianEno on Dalnet using > Mirc. There's a free Ftp available to all users what is this? more info please? lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 13:20:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20508; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:57:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:57:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: Vintage CFC and Repeater first impressions Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 09:40:14 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <3B8FB76B.DE4B8D97@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What is amazing I found is that the tempo of the loop changes (without pitch change) with changes to midi clock from my ER-1. With hardly any degradation to the sound... Using reverse, the change is instant, and after a moment of adjustment, the loop is locked, with the bar/beat counter going backward. The tempo shift is hardly a 'special feature': It is at the heart of this beast. > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 9:12 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Vintage CFC and Repeater first impressions > > > Hey boys and girls, > > Well, it finally happened. Last night I high tailed it over to > Banana's At > Large and picked up my Repeater. I must say that Rik my salesman was VERY > knowledgeable about The repeater and looping in general. We had > a nice chat > about the Repeater vs. the Echoplex DP and agreed that none of > them would ever > stand up to what the Againinator will be once they open up stem > cell research so > R&D can continue. > > I zoomed home, had dinner with my hungry wife, and then finally > hooked up the > Repeater in my rig. Nothing fancy, just put it at the end of the > signal path. > > This fucker is SWEET. > > I did have an initial horror: I DIDN'T GET ONE OF THE VINTAGE > UPSIDEDOWN LABEL > CFC CARDS FOR THAT SPECIAL DT/SPLATTERCELL SOUND! The horror! > Don't assume the > card goes in with the label on the bottom. Mine did not. > Putting it in with > the label on top was VERY easy and obvious that it was the > correct way to do it. > > One of my MAIN tests of any new gear is whether or not I can > "make it go", on a > basic level, without reading the manual. Within moments, I had > synched an 8 bar > stereo loop to my Roland MC-307. I don't mind having to record a > blank loop so > that I get seamless ins and outs. I use that time to build an > intro anyway. > Before I knew it, I was playing the loop backwards and over > dubbing onto it, > then re-reversing it to hear my dubs backwards and my original > loop forward. I > would say that in terms of usability, that's way more than basic > operation. Who > ever designed the interface of this baby did their home work. > Even though they > were absent on the day they taught "wet/dry mix." ha ha > > Well, I didn't have any time to dive deeper, as it was getting close to my > bedtime, and I didn't have my studio setup they way I would truly > want it to > be. I can see it's going to take a while to find out the best > place for this in > the signal chain. One slight criticism is that you don't get > both 4 separate > outputs AND an effects loop. I knew that before hand and bought > it anyway. > Don't think software will fix that one. No matter, it's plenty > versatile, and > with an extra macie mixer, I think I shouldn't have any problem with this. > > I love the marketing-glib-down-with-da-peeps manual, though my > eyeball sockets > are sore from excessive eye rolling. OUCH! > > OK, must head to work. Was it worth the wait? Sure was, but it > would have been > sweet to have this last November too. Damn, I should have had > this all my life! > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 13:27:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22150; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 13:06:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 13:06:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010831094733.025ffeb0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 09:50:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Attn Kim, members and Mr Tiscali In-Reply-To: References: <3B8F7511.BA702C11@vtx.ch> <3B8F7511.BA702C11@vtx.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:11 AM 8/31/2001, you wrote: >>Guys >>May I suggest we throw Mr.Tiscali grazianoaccinni@tiscalinet.it out of >>LD >> >>You may have noticed that he's been spamming the list out of proportion >>adding his promo link to whatever post he chooses to reply to without >>any content whatsoever more than 10 times. > >agree 100%. throw him out unless he contributes positively. > > /t Hi- I don't do that sort of thing. If you have a problem with what somebody is posting, discuss it with them. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 13:50:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23609; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 13:29:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 13:29:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010831095112.00b08100@mulder.intermag.com> X-Sender: mpulver@mulder.intermag.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 09:58:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Importing gear from other countries In-Reply-To: <000d01c13210$deb4a210$51cec22b@cambmaya04> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Os (04:34 AM 08.31.2001) wrote: >> Wow. That's twice what some people have paid. What are the legal >> issues of ordering it from the US and paying shipping? Or better yet, >> having a friend in the US buy it and send it to you separately? Good >> luck. And sorry to hear about the exorbitant price. > >As roberto points out, you end up paying tax & import duty, not to mention >shipping. Perfectly legal though. Yes, it's legal in the terms of some government agency knocking on your door and arresting you :) but... You'll want to check with the distributor for your country, or the manufacturer themselves (Damon may want to comment for Electrix) about warranty status when you do this. I know that many of the distributors here in the US will _NOT_ honor warranties on gear that was purchased outside of the US and shipped in. For example, JoMoX is VERY adamant about this, and the distributor made quite a statement a year ago or so on the Analogue Heaven mailing list. The situation is different for gear that was purchased outside of the US and then brought in during a move or relocation. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 14:02:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24137; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 13:42:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 13:42:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003a01c13242$8f46d9a0$6eb51597@z3v3u4> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <002301c131fc$86bae740$51cec22b@cambmaya04> <3.0.6.32.20010831164524.00985de0@mail.dragonet.es> Subject: R: free mp3 sites Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 19:29:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A good site (at least I find it to be more serious than mp3.com) is www.emusic.com I have my two releases on this site, and I've currently sent to them (you have to send them a copy of your cd (audio) and they'll do the mp3 conversion and the upload) my new cd and an e.p. of collaborations with my friends. They are a bit slow sometimes in the upload, but they are stable. (I've found my Altered Sounds page down on mp3.com for 3 or 4 times, now, and on the Morgoth one it has happened that the files that were for sale disappeared, while the free ones remained, and so I have had to re-upload them all the times). Apart from the fact that in 2 years I and my label have seen very few dollars from them (and we are also selling some Charlie Parker releases and other jazz greats, that in all the other sites sell very well). Stay away from www.vitaminic.com , as they are even more unreliable than mp3.com. Peace Luigi ----- Original Message ----- From: Raul Bonell To: Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 4:45 PM Subject: OT: free mp3 sites > hi there ! > > can anybody tell me other > sites offering similar services > to mp3.com ? > (they don't accept my cover ...) > > > thanks, > Raul Bonell > > > Tapeadores > http://www.dragonet.es/users/d3055/tap > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 14:13:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24986; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 13:53:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 13:53:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005e01c13244$15b605a0$6eb51597@z3v3u4> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: Subject: R: repeater price, was Re: no repeater wet/dry mix? Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 19:40:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <0_UPTB.A.e4F.Ex8j7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I am currently coming in London for a week with a fellow guitarist, and we are coming there to take a look to music shops, as I found that in England something cost almost half the price that they cost in Italy (Here the fender stratocaster standard (USA) has raised in price from 1.990.000 italian lira to 2.990.000 i.l. in six months and after a change in the distribution). Marshall prices have had the same treatment. It's funny, to go to a country with which exchange should be unfavourable and pay instruments less than in your country. Peace Luigi ----- Original Message ----- From: roberto To: Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 1:19 PM Subject: Re: repeater price, was Re: no repeater wet/dry mix? > on 31/8/01 10:08 AM, Os at os@scee.sony.co.uk wrote: > > > > > > >> Alto Music was selling them for under 500 bucks a piece. They got bitched > >> out by Electrix so they raised the price to $549. I ordered mine for $525 > >> from Sixte Cycle (affiliated with Leitz Music in Florida). Guitar Center > > is > >> selling them for $599. > > > > just found out that the UK list price is 649 pounds - about $950! > > > > once again, we get screwed royally. :( > > > > I wonder if Electrix know about this, or whether it's just the distributor > > hiking the price? > > > I have discussed this issue of unreasonable price difference between USA and > the UK with several dealers on numberless occasions. It applies to any > imported item, no matter of what kind. The general claim is that most of the > difference is due to custom/import taxes, nothing to do with the dealers > themselves making more profit. Another small portion is due to higher > overall business costs for UK traders (higher income tax, higher rents etc.) > and the actual cost of shipment. > I don't know if there is a solution. So far the only way around it I could > find is to get someone to buy things for me abroad, then send them to me > marked as "personal present" - Even so the Customs have occasionally opened > the parcel and questioned the "present", once charging me the import tax, > the value added tax plus a handling fee..., thus doubling the actual cost of > the "present"! > > Roberto > > > ______________________________________________ > Roberto Battista > http://www.robat.scl.net > http://www.robat.scl.net/lectures/index.shtm > Tel. 0044 020 8449 1995 > Mobile 0775 960 4344 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.rustyrobot.com > independent on-line music distribution, > the music you can't find elsewhere, > hybrid, eclectic, world, looped, unusual... > ______________________________________________ > http://www.robat.scl.net/html/tibet/tibet.shtm > an exciting project on technology applied to > mobile education for developing countries and > remote locations... > ______________________________________________ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 14:34:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27295; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 14:13:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 14:13:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8FD078.8295834B@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 10:59:19 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Attn Kim, members and Mr Tiscali References: <3B8F7511.BA702C11@vtx.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1pVj1.A.ScG.NC9j7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a suggestion, if all of us fwd his spam back to him, it will fill his mailbox and bring him to his knees quite quickly. I know Kim has a no kick policy, but in this case I feel it's needed. Mark Sottilaro Tom Ritchford wrote: > >Guys > >May I suggest we throw Mr.Tiscali grazianoaccinni@tiscalinet.it out of > >LD > > > >You may have noticed that he's been spamming the list out of proportion > >adding his promo link to whatever post he chooses to reply to without > >any content whatsoever more than 10 times. > > agree 100%. throw him out unless he contributes positively. > > /t > > .........a new fortune every minute. > ..................Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 14:47:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20815; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 13:01:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 13:01:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JohnFlem@aol.com Message-ID: <13d.ac7905.28c11b63@aol.com> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:54:59 EDT Subject: Re: Repeater and MIDI Foot Control To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am using the Repeater with a Ground Control Pedal. There are LOTS of possibilities here. What I am leaning towards, is using the 'no frills' Digitech triple Footswitch for the Basic functions (Stop/Play, Record, Undo). And then setting up a Bank on the Ground Control to Select Tracks for Recording, Muting Tracks, Reverse and switching from Overdub Mode to Replace and Loop select Up/Down. jmp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 14:47:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27914; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 14:25:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 14:25:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006101c13248$26c89c00$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> From: "David Beardsley" To: "3/2, 7/4, 9/8..." Subject: NYC looping gig 9.4.2001- electric tuba Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 14:09:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tuesday September 4th set at 7pm TOM HEASLEY Touring in support of his Hypnos cd "Where The Earth Meets The Sky". Downtown Music Gallery 211 E. 5th St. N.Y., N.Y. 10003 Phone: (212) 473-0043 a solo tuba excursion with electronics. Tom hails from the west coast and has worked with Pauline Oliveros & Loren Mazzacane-Connors. It's free, so come on down! Have a nice weekend folks.... * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 15:01:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28913; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 14:44:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 14:44:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 11:31:58 -0700 Subject: Re: Can we take a second... From: kevin cooney To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010830102009.0448d688@loopers-delight.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim wrote: > actually the thing people have asked for for years is multiple tracks of > **different lengths**, which Repeater doesn't do. Bob Sellon's mythical > jamman upgrade does that... > So I would say "evolutionary" perhaps. Revolutionary, no. Kim's right. Bob Sellon's Jamman stereo multitrack upgrade is a brilliant different take on looping and it's such a shame that Lexicon never saw fit to license the product. Now that the Repeater is out, maybe he should try again. Are you listening, Lexicon? Best, Kevin C. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 15:06:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28912; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 14:44:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 14:44:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Apparently-From: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 13:31:28 -0500 Subject: Re: NYC looping gig 9.4.2001- electric tuba From: Mike Feeney To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006101c13248$26c89c00$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Man, do I ever live in the wrong town. =) mike (from Muncie, Indiana) on 8/31/01 1.09 PM, David Beardsley at db@biink.com wrote: > Tuesday September 4th set > at 7pm > TOM HEASLEY > > Touring in support of his Hypnos cd "Where The Earth Meets The Sky". > > Downtown Music Gallery > 211 E. 5th St. N.Y., N.Y. 10003 > Phone: (212) 473-0043 > > a solo tuba excursion with electronics. Tom hails from the west > coast and has worked with Pauline Oliveros & Loren Mazzacane-Connors. > It's free, so come on down! > > Have a nice weekend folks.... > > * David Beardsley > * http://biink.com > * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 15:13:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29692; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 14:55:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 14:55:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c1324e$30dfdd60$b2140b3e@c3v8b8> From: "tiscali" To: References: <005e01c13244$15b605a0$6eb51597@z3v3u4> Subject: R: repeater price, was Re: no repeater wet/dry mix? Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 20:53:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com salve luigi sono graziano accinni spero tu parli l'italiano perchè sul sito loopers-delight capisco molto poco purtroppo mi sono permesso di mandarti il mio indirizzo www.rustyrobot.com del mio lavoro ACCYNNY "HYPNOS" spero sia di tuo gradimento un saluto grazianoaccinni@tiscalinet.it ----- Original Message ----- From: Luigi Meloni To: Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 7:40 PM Subject: R: repeater price, was Re: no repeater wet/dry mix? > Well, I am currently coming in London for a week with a fellow guitarist, > and we are coming there to take a look to music shops, as I found that in > England something cost almost half the price that they cost in Italy (Here > the fender stratocaster standard (USA) has raised in price from 1.990.000 > italian lira to 2.990.000 i.l. in six months and after a change in the > distribution). Marshall prices have had the same treatment. It's funny, to > go to a country with which exchange should be unfavourable and pay > instruments less than in your country. > > Peace > Luigi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: roberto > To: > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 1:19 PM > Subject: Re: repeater price, was Re: no repeater wet/dry mix? > > > > on 31/8/01 10:08 AM, Os at os@scee.sony.co.uk wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> Alto Music was selling them for under 500 bucks a piece. They got > bitched > > >> out by Electrix so they raised the price to $549. I ordered mine for > $525 > > >> from Sixte Cycle (affiliated with Leitz Music in Florida). Guitar > Center > > > is > > >> selling them for $599. > > > > > > just found out that the UK list price is 649 pounds - about $950! > > > > > > once again, we get screwed royally. :( > > > > > > I wonder if Electrix know about this, or whether it's just the > distributor > > > hiking the price? > > > > > I have discussed this issue of unreasonable price difference between USA > and > > the UK with several dealers on numberless occasions. It applies to any > > imported item, no matter of what kind. The general claim is that most of > the > > difference is due to custom/import taxes, nothing to do with the dealers > > themselves making more profit. Another small portion is due to higher > > overall business costs for UK traders (higher income tax, higher rents > etc.) > > and the actual cost of shipment. > > I don't know if there is a solution. So far the only way around it I could > > find is to get someone to buy things for me abroad, then send them to me > > marked as "personal present" - Even so the Customs have occasionally > opened > > the parcel and questioned the "present", once charging me the import tax, > > the value added tax plus a handling fee..., thus doubling the actual cost > of > > the "present"! > > > > Roberto > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > Roberto Battista > > http://www.robat.scl.net > > http://www.robat.scl.net/lectures/index.shtm > > Tel. 0044 020 8449 1995 > > Mobile 0775 960 4344 > > ______________________________________________ > > http://www.rustyrobot.com > > independent on-line music distribution, > > the music you can't find elsewhere, > > hybrid, eclectic, world, looped, unusual... > > ______________________________________________ > > http://www.robat.scl.net/html/tibet/tibet.shtm > > an exciting project on technology applied to > > mobile education for developing countries and > > remote locations... > > ______________________________________________ > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 15:30:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31926; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 15:13:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 15:13:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.75] Reply-To: "Greg S" From: "Greg S" To: References: Subject: Re: An guitar palyer s have repeater yet in their rig? Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:01:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Aug 2001 19:01:14.0498 (UTC) FILETIME=[4E907620:01C1324F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The reverse function works just fine. You can't engage it while in record mode, but you can record a section, stop recording, reverse it, hit record and overdub another line over the now backwards playing loop, stop recording, and then reverse/un-reverse to your heart's content. Engaging the reverse via midi pedal board works just fine. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 2:35 PM Subject: An guitar palyer s have repeater yet in their rig? > I am wondering if any guitar players have incorporated the repeater in their > set up yet? How does the reverse function work? Are you able to control it on > the fly etc...I have the DMC ground control and gcx switcher and I am hoping > to somehow integrate this thing into my set up --any comments are appreciated. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 15:34:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA32043; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 15:16:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 15:16:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB7C7@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Repeater request idiocy Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 15:00:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1324F.3D77A160" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1324F.3D77A160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" damon, now you while have heard it all . . . i was talking to my friend about the repeater (he just copped and is pretty into it so far) and we were discussing how great it would to have the stereo (two-channel) repeater junior footpedal for all of us rack-o-phobes . . . (plus other guitar/bass folk) yours in stupidity, stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1324F.3D77A160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Repeater request idiocy

damon,

now you while have heard it all . . .

i was talking to my friend about the repeater (he = just copped and is pretty into it so far) and we were discussing how = great it would to have the stereo (two-channel) repeater junior = footpedal for all of us rack-o-phobes . . .

(plus other guitar/bass folk)


yours in stupidity,

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1324F.3D77A160-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 15:37:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA32224; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 15:21:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 15:21:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.75] Reply-To: "Greg S" From: "Greg S" To: References: Subject: Re: Foot pedal for Repeater (or anything for that matter) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:08:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Aug 2001 19:08:45.0298 (UTC) FILETIME=[5B431520:01C13250] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > However, I wonder if > manufacturing a full-featured MIDI pedal like the PMC-10 would be worth > Electrix's while. Just imagine the simplest MIDI foot pedal that used the same CFC technology as the Repeater. - Pop the CFC into your USB reader - Edit the MIDI strings the way you like via simple PC/Mac program - Pop the CFC back into your footboard - away you go. - for more functionality specs, just look at an old PMC10. It seems like this would be VERY easy to develop for Electrix. Just a question of market potential I guess. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 15:37:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA32212; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 15:20:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 15:20:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8FE10C.B560D7AD@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:10:04 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Bob Sellon's Jamman stereo multitrack upgrade References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Bob Sellon's Jamman stereo multitrack upgrade" ????? what what what? I did do an upgrade that allowed me to synch to midi sequences that were in 5/4 and 7/4, but stereo multitrack? Where can I get more info? Mark Sottilaro kevin cooney wrote: > Kim wrote: > > > actually the thing people have asked for for years is multiple tracks of > > **different lengths**, which Repeater doesn't do. Bob Sellon's mythical > > jamman upgrade does that... > > > So I would say "evolutionary" perhaps. Revolutionary, no. > > Kim's right. Bob Sellon's Jamman stereo multitrack upgrade is a brilliant > different take on looping and it's such a shame that Lexicon never saw fit > to license the product. Now that the Repeater is out, maybe he should try > again. Are you listening, Lexicon? > > Best, > Kevin C. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 15:40:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA32440; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 15:24:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 15:24:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B8FE173.5355760D@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:11:46 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Electrix support ++ good References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I just want to say that I've never heard of a company that would help support a product that it didn't manufacture. That's SWELL! I got snagged with a bad Simple 128 card! Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 15:51:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00353; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 15:32:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 15:32:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <005e01c13244$15b605a0$6eb51597@z3v3u4> <002501c1324e$30dfdd60$b2140b3e@c3v8b8> Subject: Re: repeater price, was Re: no repeater wet/dry mix? Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:19:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Aug 2001 19:19:51.0116 (UTC) FILETIME=[E81ED8C0:01C13251] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Courtesy of babelfish: blank luigi they are graziano accinni I hope you speaks the Italian why on the situated one loopers-delight I understand very little unfortunately are allowed to me of mandarti my address www.rustyrobot.com of my job ACCYNNY " HYPNOS " I hope is of your gradimento a salute grazianoaccinni@tiscalinet.it ----- Original Message ----- From: "tiscali" To: Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 11:53 AM Subject: R: repeater price, was Re: no repeater wet/dry mix? > salve luigi sono graziano accinni spero tu parli l'italiano perchè sul sito > loopers-delight capisco molto poco purtroppo mi sono permesso di mandarti > il mio indirizzo www.rustyrobot.com del mio lavoro ACCYNNY "HYPNOS" spero > sia di tuo gradimento un saluto grazianoaccinni@tiscalinet.it > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Luigi Meloni > To: > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 7:40 PM > Subject: R: repeater price, was Re: no repeater wet/dry mix? > > > > Well, I am currently coming in London for a week with a fellow guitarist, > > and we are coming there to take a look to music shops, as I found that in > > England something cost almost half the price that they cost in Italy (Here > > the fender stratocaster standard (USA) has raised in price from 1.990.000 > > italian lira to 2.990.000 i.l. in six months and after a change in the > > distribution). Marshall prices have had the same treatment. It's funny, to > > go to a country with which exchange should be unfavourable and pay > > instruments less than in your country. > > > > Peace > > Luigi > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: roberto > > To: > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 1:19 PM > > Subject: Re: repeater price, was Re: no repeater wet/dry mix? > > > > > > > on 31/8/01 10:08 AM, Os at os@scee.sony.co.uk wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Alto Music was selling them for under 500 bucks a piece. They got > > bitched > > > >> out by Electrix so they raised the price to $549. I ordered mine for > > $525 > > > >> from Sixte Cycle (affiliated with Leitz Music in Florida). Guitar > > Center > > > > is > > > >> selling them for $599. > > > > > > > > just found out that the UK list price is 649 pounds - about $950! > > > > > > > > once again, we get screwed royally. :( > > > > > > > > I wonder if Electrix know about this, or whether it's just the > > distributor > > > > hiking the price? > > > > > > > I have discussed this issue of unreasonable price difference between USA > > and > > > the UK with several dealers on numberless occasions. It applies to any > > > imported item, no matter of what kind. The general claim is that most of > > the > > > difference is due to custom/import taxes, nothing to do with the dealers > > > themselves making more profit. Another small portion is due to higher > > > overall business costs for UK traders (higher income tax, higher rents > > etc.) > > > and the actual cost of shipment. > > > I don't know if there is a solution. So far the only way around it I > could > > > find is to get someone to buy things for me abroad, then send them to me > > > marked as "personal present" - Even so the Customs have occasionally > > opened > > > the parcel and questioned the "present", once charging me the import > tax, > > > the value added tax plus a handling fee..., thus doubling the actual > cost > > of > > > the "present"! > > > > > > Roberto > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > > Roberto Battista > > > http://www.robat.scl.net > > > http://www.robat.scl.net/lectures/index.shtm > > > Tel. 0044 020 8449 1995 > > > Mobile 0775 960 4344 > > > ______________________________________________ > > > http://www.rustyrobot.com > > > independent on-line music distribution, > > > the music you can't find elsewhere, > > > hybrid, eclectic, world, looped, unusual... > > > ______________________________________________ > > > http://www.robat.scl.net/html/tibet/tibet.shtm > > > an exciting project on technology applied to > > > mobile education for developing countries and > > > remote locations... > > > ______________________________________________ > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 16:03:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01306; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 15:48:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 15:48:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Scott Wilson" To: Subject: RE: repeater price, was Re: no repeater wet/dry mix? Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 15:34:55 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c13254$03a12a60$d2f22a0c@dwfearn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002501c1324e$30dfdd60$b2140b3e@c3v8b8> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmm... Looks like that was a little too much for babelfish, but here's what it came up with for that... > blank luigi they are graziano accinni I hope you speaks the Italian why > on the situated one loopers-delight I understand very little unfortunately > are allowed to me of mandarti my address www.rustyrobot.com of my job > ACCYNNY " HYPNOS " I hope is of your gradimento a salute > grazianoaccinni@tiscalinet.it I guess it makes sense - although I can't say it's much more than the spam you were mentioning before. I suggest that those of you who are offended by this simply add him to a killfile or similar rule and not complain any more. -Scott From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 16:13:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01633; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 15:55:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 15:55:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.117.143] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: missing posts Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 14:42:35 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Aug 2001 19:42:36.0277 (UTC) FILETIME=[15D1E250:01C13255] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Were these post from Dj Devious D ? If so.... nevermind. Lucien E. Darthard A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It. Cell Phone 1-773-578-3504 http://go.to/ldarthard/ ----Original Message Follows---- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: missing posts Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 11:27:20 EDT i seem to be missing some posts.....i see answers but no questions.....anyone else have this problem, not that questionless answers are a problem mind you!.....:)m _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 16:15:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01732; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 15:57:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 15:57:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010831154221.007da4f0@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 15:42:21 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: NYC looping gig 9.4.2001- electric tuba In-Reply-To: References: <006101c13248$26c89c00$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Maybe you could find a venue in Muncie and contact Tom to set up a show on his way back West! He's driving, not flying... -t At 01:31 PM 8/31/01 -0500, you wrote: > > > Man, do I ever live in the wrong town. =) > > mike (from Muncie, Indiana) > > >on 8/31/01 1.09 PM, David Beardsley at db@biink.com wrote: > >> Tuesday September 4th set >> at 7pm >> TOM HEASLEY >> >> Touring in support of his Hypnos cd "Where The Earth Meets The Sky". >> >> Downtown Music Gallery >> 211 E. 5th St. N.Y., N.Y. 10003 >> Phone: (212) 473-0043 >> >> a solo tuba excursion with electronics. Tom hails from the west >> coast and has worked with Pauline Oliveros & Loren Mazzacane-Connors. >> It's free, so come on down! >> >> Have a nice weekend folks.... >> >> * David Beardsley >> * http://biink.com >> * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 16:29:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03509; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:12:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:12:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 15:58:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200108311958.PAA18931@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: repeater price, was Re: no repeater wet/dry mix? X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 66.9.67.98 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Courtesy of babelfish: > > blank luigi they are graziano accinni I hope you speaks the Italian why on > the situated one loopers-delight I understand very little unfortunately are > allowed to me of mandarti my address www.rustyrobot.com of my job ACCYNNY " > HYPNOS " I hope is of your gradimento a salute grazianoaccinni@tiscalinet.it Aha. Well, we need to get someone who speaks Italian to politely tell this gentlemen to cool it! /t -- I am the wombat. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 16:31:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03634; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:13:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:13:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c13269$eb1596a0$a1709818@default> From: "Daniel" To: Subject: Fw: Fw: King Frippson Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:11:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com an Irc channel for music fans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 16:35:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03904; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:16:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:16:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c13258$006ae1c0$72ac1597@z3v3u4> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <005e01c13244$15b605a0$6eb51597@z3v3u4> <002501c1324e$30dfdd60$b2140b3e@c3v8b8> Subject: R: repeater price/Lexicon support Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 22:03:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The translation should be: Hi Luigi, I'm graziano accini. I hope you speak Italian because on the Looper's-delight internet site I understand very little. I allowed myself to send you my address www.rustyrobot.com with my work ' ACCYNNY HYPNOS '. I hope you'll like it. Bye grazianoaccinni@tiscalinet.it Peace Luigi P.S. as for the lexicon question 'bout sellon upgrade on the jamman, I don't think they care a f.... They don't even care to make driver upgrades for their soundcards. I have the core2 and I'm forced to use it in my old PII 266 with win95, just because their 'new' drivers just don't work well with my new AMD processor and motherboard (all clicks and pops during recordings). I tried to ask to the support service, and after some really neat advices (uninstall the drivers for usb devices, great advice as almost any accessories are now on usb - try to change pci slot, to change irq - (or to change computer :-))),and after three or four messages, the person I talked with just told me that the had 'some problems' with amd processors during their tests. And the drivers have problems with win98SE, and just crash on win ME. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan El-Bizri To: Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 9:19 PM Subject: Re: repeater price, was Re: no repeater wet/dry mix? > Courtesy of babelfish: > > blank luigi they are graziano accinni I hope you speaks the Italian why on > the situated one loopers-delight I understand very little unfortunately are > allowed to me of mandarti my address www.rustyrobot.com of my job ACCYNNY " > HYPNOS " I hope is of your gradimento a salute grazianoaccinni@tiscalinet.it > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "tiscali" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 11:53 AM > Subject: R: repeater price, was Re: no repeater wet/dry mix? > > > > salve luigi sono graziano accinni spero tu parli l'italiano perchè sul > sito > > loopers-delight capisco molto poco purtroppo mi sono permesso di mandarti > > il mio indirizzo www.rustyrobot.com del mio lavoro ACCYNNY "HYPNOS" spero > > sia di tuo gradimento un saluto grazianoaccinni@tiscalinet.it > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Luigi Meloni > > To: > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 7:40 PM > > Subject: R: repeater price, was Re: no repeater wet/dry mix? > > > > > > > Well, I am currently coming in London for a week with a fellow > guitarist, > > > and we are coming there to take a look to music shops, as I found that > in > > > England something cost almost half the price that they cost in Italy > (Here > > > the fender stratocaster standard (USA) has raised in price from > 1.990.000 > > > italian lira to 2.990.000 i.l. in six months and after a change in the > > > distribution). Marshall prices have had the same treatment. It's funny, > to > > > go to a country with which exchange should be unfavourable and pay > > > instruments less than in your country. > > > > > > Peace > > > Luigi > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: roberto > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 1:19 PM > > > Subject: Re: repeater price, was Re: no repeater wet/dry mix? > > > > > > > > > > on 31/8/01 10:08 AM, Os at os@scee.sony.co.uk wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Alto Music was selling them for under 500 bucks a piece. They got > > > bitched > > > > >> out by Electrix so they raised the price to $549. I ordered mine > for > > > $525 > > > > >> from Sixte Cycle (affiliated with Leitz Music in Florida). Guitar > > > Center > > > > > is > > > > >> selling them for $599. > > > > > > > > > > just found out that the UK list price is 649 pounds - about $950! > > > > > > > > > > once again, we get screwed royally. :( > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if Electrix know about this, or whether it's just the > > > distributor > > > > > hiking the price? > > > > > > > > > I have discussed this issue of unreasonable price difference between > USA > > > and > > > > the UK with several dealers on numberless occasions. It applies to any > > > > imported item, no matter of what kind. The general claim is that most > of > > > the > > > > difference is due to custom/import taxes, nothing to do with the > dealers > > > > themselves making more profit. Another small portion is due to higher > > > > overall business costs for UK traders (higher income tax, higher rents > > > etc.) > > > > and the actual cost of shipment. > > > > I don't know if there is a solution. So far the only way around it I > > could > > > > find is to get someone to buy things for me abroad, then send them to > me > > > > marked as "personal present" - Even so the Customs have occasionally > > > opened > > > > the parcel and questioned the "present", once charging me the import > > tax, > > > > the value added tax plus a handling fee..., thus doubling the actual > > cost > > > of > > > > the "present"! > > > > > > > > Roberto > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > > > Roberto Battista > > > > http://www.robat.scl.net > > > > http://www.robat.scl.net/lectures/index.shtm > > > > Tel. 0044 020 8449 1995 > > > > Mobile 0775 960 4344 > > > > ______________________________________________ > > > > http://www.rustyrobot.com > > > > independent on-line music distribution, > > > > the music you can't find elsewhere, > > > > hybrid, eclectic, world, looped, unusual... > > > > ______________________________________________ > > > > http://www.robat.scl.net/html/tibet/tibet.shtm > > > > an exciting project on technology applied to > > > > mobile education for developing countries and > > > > remote locations... > > > > ______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 16:40:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04488; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:25:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:25:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010831160949.030ab8b8@pop1.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:11:33 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: Repeater No-sell on Ebay In-Reply-To: <001901c13269$eb1596a0$a1709818@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I find it odd that the high bid on the Repeater on ebay was only $430US. What do you guys think of that? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1268361084 I would have expected more interest in this item. Perhaps people are just not bothing to look on ebay at this point? plexus ps. My Repeater is in the shop. It will be paid for today and I hopefully with get it on Tuesday. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 16:41:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04514; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:25:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:25:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Electrix support ++ good Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 13:12:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark S, SimpleTech deserves most of the praise. They have been amazing in helping us help you. They are a first rate company all around. When we compile all the relevant info, we should be able to publish the serial number ranges that might be good or bad making life a little easier. In the mean time...If you buy SimpleTech you at least know you will get a card that works you just might have to wait a week. >I just want to say that I've never heard of a company that would help support >a product that it didn't manufacture. That's SWELL! I got snagged with a >bad Simple 128 card! Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 16:46:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04775; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:30:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:30:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010831131351.02433300@mulder.intermag.com> X-Sender: mpulver@mulder.intermag.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 13:15:38 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Repeater No-sell on Ebay In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010831160949.030ab8b8@pop1.sympatico.ca> References: <001901c13269$eb1596a0$a1709818@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Brett Maraldo (01:11 PM 08.31.2001) wrote: >I find it odd that the high bid on the Repeater on ebay was only >$430US. What do you guys think of that? > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1268361084 > >I would have expected more interest in this item. Perhaps people are >just not bothing to look on ebay at this point? Maybe the bidding was lame 'cause the BuyItNow price tends to give away the reserve. Some of the pricing out there has been discussed here on the list, and it tends to say that $649 is pretty high for a street price (in the US). Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 17:03:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05927; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:46:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:46:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:32:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200108312032.QAA20910@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: NYC looping gig 9.4.2001- electric tuba X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 66.9.67.98 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <60Q3qB.A.TOB.6R_j7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Maybe you could find a venue in Muncie and contact Tom to set up a show on > his way back West! He's driving, not flying... I hung out with him last night -- it was a good show! though the other acts were singer-songwriter sorts of things -- and he's interested in playing gigs, his schedule is flexible... /t -- I am the wombat. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 17:16:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06386; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:58:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:58:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: faisalmoro@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3B8FE10C.B560D7AD@zerocrossing.net> References: <3B8FE10C.B560D7AD@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 22:49:45 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: faisal moro Subject: Re: Bob Sellon's Jamman stereo multitrack upgrade Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Check out at www.stecrecords.com, you should find everthing related there. Anyway, just a few details, the stereo function is achieved as such a modified JamMan can play 4 tracks (if i remember right) at the same time, and they can have their own panpot. Before knowing of such a update, i bought 2 of them. Anyway, the real annoying thing of the JM is the poor audio quality and dynamic. It seems that Repeater actually beats it up, and it has dozens of plus features. The price is even not greater than the JM with full memory expansion when it came in the market. Still waiting for 2 nice priced TC 2290 anyway (hehehe, they're mono too as the JM), that would be a long wait of course ;-) HTH Doei Faisal >"Bob Sellon's Jamman stereo multitrack upgrade" ????? what what what? I did >do an upgrade that allowed me to synch to midi sequences that were in 5/4 and >7/4, but stereo multitrack? Where can I get more info? > >Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 17:33:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08432; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 17:17:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 17:17:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 22:08:09 +0100 Subject: Re: Attn Kim, members and Mr Tiscali From: roberto To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010831094733.025ffeb0@loopers-delight.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hi- > I don't do that sort of thing. If you have a problem with what somebody is > posting, discuss it with them. > kim Dear all Graziano Accinni stated in one of his messages that he doesn't speak much English; I have hence taken the liberty to send him a polite message in Italian on behalf of the list, letting him know about the discontent caused to members by his spam. Aside from the spam he seems a nice guy and his music is good. I hope this turns the waves into ripples... :-) Roberto ______________________________________________ Roberto Battista http://www.robat.scl.net http://www.robat.scl.net/lectures/index.shtm Tel. 0044 020 8449 1995 Mobile 0775 960 4344 ______________________________________________ http://www.rustyrobot.com independent on-line music distribution, the music you can't find elsewhere, hybrid, eclectic, world, looped, unusual... ______________________________________________ http://www.robat.scl.net/html/tibet/tibet.shtm an exciting project on technology applied to mobile education for developing countries and remote locations... ______________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 17:37:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08591; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 17:20:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 17:20:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 22:08:09 +0100 Subject: Re: Importing gear from other countries From: roberto To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010831095112.00b08100@mulder.intermag.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA07764 Resent-Message-ID: <3AnqE.A.j5B.7v_j7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 31/8/01 5:58 pm, Mark Pulver at mark@midiwall.com wrote: > You'll want to check with the distributor for your country, or the > manufacturer themselves (Damon may want to comment for Electrix) about > warranty status when you do this. > > I know that many of the distributors here in the US will _NOT_ honor > warranties on gear that was purchased outside of the US and shipped in. For > example, JoMoX is VERY adamant about this, and the distributor made quite a > statement a year ago or so on the Analogue Heaven mailing list. > In most cases warranty doesn't apply unless otherwise stated. Some dealers offer world-wide coverage at an additional charge. It has to be checked before buying anyway. I have also noticed that in the last year or so several US dealers selling on-line have added to their site a note specifying that they can't sell direct to European customers. I presume there must have been some new international trade agreement to make it more difficult for Europeans to buy from the States. As for the limit in value that someone mentioned. In the UK Customs don't check parcels with a declared value of up to £ 18 (roughly 25 US $). Anything more than that and they can legally open the parcel and charge import tax etc. Mark smuggler Red from Norway suggested: > Or if you wanna be really naughty, do what I do here in Norway (where its > bloody expensive to import). > Ask the seller to mark the customs declaration that its a repair item, that > you sent to the US to be fixed/upgraded. Works like a dream! > It works (although it's blatantly illegal) as long as the Custom officers don't decide to check. I know of a couple of instances when parcels marked as repairs were checked and, since the item was evidently new, the person receiving was made to pay a consistent fine on top of the duty. .. you can try asking the seller to leave the box out in the rain for a few days, use the polystyrene casing to feed the dog, scratch the outer body of the item and sandpaper the knobs... Roberto ______________________________________________ Roberto Battista http://www.robat.scl.net http://www.robat.scl.net/lectures/index.shtm Tel. 0044 020 8449 1995 Mobile 0775 960 4344 ______________________________________________ http://www.rustyrobot.com independent on-line music distribution, the music you can't find elsewhere, hybrid, eclectic, world, looped, unusual... ______________________________________________ http://www.robat.scl.net/html/tibet/tibet.shtm an exciting project on technology applied to mobile education for developing countries and remote locations... ______________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 17:51:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09305; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 17:33:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 17:33:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: faisalmoro@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 23:23:34 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: faisal moro Subject: Re: Attn Kim, members and Mr Tiscali Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com True, but isn't funny that someone who doesn't speak english signs a music distribution contract with a record company? ;-) Doei Faisal >Dear all > >Graziano Accinni stated in one of his messages that he doesn't speak much >English; I have hence taken the liberty to send him a polite message in >Italian on behalf of the list, letting him know about the discontent caused >to members by his spam. >Aside from the spam he seems a nice guy and his music is good. > >I hope this turns the waves into ripples... :-) > >Roberto From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 17:57:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09572; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 17:38:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 17:38:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010831212501.19848.qmail@web3505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 14:25:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Deveaux Subject: RE: Electrix support ++ good To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <-QyWDB.A.IKC.uCAk7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have dealt with several companies (Roland, Kurzweil, Gibson) technical support groups. I have had them "loose" orders for software upgrades, and I have paid for long distance phone calls. I think that Damon Langlois & Electrix are "spoiling" us with such great support. Try asking Roland to answer your emails within hours. Thanks Electrix, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 18:23:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12125; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 18:01:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 18:01:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 14:50:05 -0700 Subject: Repeaters in Seattle From: Kevin Goldsmith To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was just at Zobrist in Seattle on 1st Ave and then just got a couple of Repeaters in. Kevin -- Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 18:26:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12426; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 18:08:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 18:08:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:52:44 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Repeater No-sell on Ebay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01a601c13267$4430be70$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010831160949.030ab8b8@pop1.sympatico.ca> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the high bid was probably more than $430 but less than the reserve price... > I find it odd that the high bid on the Repeater on ebay was only $430US. > What do you guys think of that? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1268361084 > > I would have expected more interest in this item. Perhaps people are just > not bothing to look on ebay at this point? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 18:38:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12691; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 18:13:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 18:13:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 14:59:24 -0700 Subject: Re: Bob Sellon's Jamman stereo multitrack upgrade From: kevin cooney To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3B8FE10C.B560D7AD@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark: There were only a few prototypes upgrades to the Jamman, it was never a commercial product. For a while the manual for the upgrade was online, but I believe it too has disappeared. There are archives in Looper's Delight that explain what it was all about. best, Kevin On 8/31/01 12:10 PM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > "Bob Sellon's Jamman stereo multitrack upgrade" ????? what what what? I did > do an upgrade that allowed me to synch to midi sequences that were in 5/4 and > 7/4, but stereo multitrack? Where can I get more info? > > Mark Sottilaro > > kevin cooney wrote: > >> Kim wrote: >> >>> actually the thing people have asked for for years is multiple tracks of >>> **different lengths**, which Repeater doesn't do. Bob Sellon's mythical >>> jamman upgrade does that... >> >>> So I would say "evolutionary" perhaps. Revolutionary, no. >> >> Kim's right. Bob Sellon's Jamman stereo multitrack upgrade is a brilliant >> different take on looping and it's such a shame that Lexicon never saw fit >> to license the product. Now that the Repeater is out, maybe he should try >> again. Are you listening, Lexicon? >> >> Best, >> Kevin C. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 18:46:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13899; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 18:22:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 18:22:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 17:11:40 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Electrix support ++ good To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01d601c13269$e947db80$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20010831212501.19848.qmail@web3505.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0xG4nB.A.4CD.ksAk7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com funny, i sent 2 emails to electrix about the simple flash card and have yet to hear back from them. i do appreciate damons efforts here, though. and am very glad to hear they are offering to replace the cards that don't work... > I think that Damon Langlois & Electrix are > "spoiling" us with such great support. Try > asking Roland to answer your emails within hours. > Thanks Electrix, > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 18:54:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14637; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 18:33:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 18:33:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 23:22:20 +0100 Subject: Re: Attn Kim, members and Mr Tiscali From: roberto To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 31/8/01 10:23 pm, faisal moro at faisalmoro@mac.com wrote: > True, > > but isn't funny that someone who doesn't speak english signs a music > distribution contract with a record company? ;-) > > Doei > Faisal > Just to clarify the above. Rather than a "music distribution contract with a record company" in this case Accynny is, like many other musicians, a guest in the website I originally made just to distribute my music - I am afraid I am far from being a record company! ;-{ Roberto ______________________________________________ Roberto Battista http://www.robat.scl.net http://www.robat.scl.net/lectures/index.shtm Tel. 0044 020 8449 1995 Mobile 0775 960 4344 ______________________________________________ http://www.rustyrobot.com independent on-line music distribution, the music you can't find elsewhere, hybrid, eclectic, world, looped, unusual... ______________________________________________ http://www.robat.scl.net/html/tibet/tibet.shtm an exciting project on technology applied to mobile education for developing countries and remote locations... ______________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 19:11:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15695; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 18:49:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 18:49:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B90115D.D605DC76@pathcom.com> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 18:36:13 -0400 From: hutton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Electrix support ++ good References: <3B8FE173.5355760D@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com These 128mb SimleTech CFC are not "Bad" They have different coded numbers. SimpleTech Had no idea in regards to Electrix's Intent of usage. We should give credit to Brenda Brom from SimpleTech for her instantaneous response when I made her aware of Electix's problem. Lisa Tyner from Electrix and Brenda put together a deal that has made all of us happy and everyone is now on the same page. Bravo to both companies involved! Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Hey, > > I just want to say that I've never heard of a company that would help support > a product that it didn't manufacture. That's SWELL! I got snagged with a > bad Simple 128 card! > > Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 19:22:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17409; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 19:01:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 19:01:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B90140B.C0C61F0F@pathcom.com> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 18:47:39 -0400 From: hutton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Electrix support ++ good References: <20010831212501.19848.qmail@web3505.mail.yahoo.com> <01d601c13269$e947db80$080210ac@jpalmer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What efforts? jim palmer wrote: > funny, i sent 2 emails to electrix about the simple flash card > and have yet to hear back from them. i do appreciate damons > efforts here, though. and am very glad to hear they are offering > to replace the cards that don't work... > > > I think that Damon Langlois & Electrix are > > "spoiling" us with such great support. Try > > asking Roland to answer your emails within hours. > > Thanks Electrix, > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 19:32:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18390; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 19:15:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 19:15:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 19:03:14 -0400 Subject: Re: EDP Feedback control help From: Doug Miller To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010831012259.02600008@loopers-delight.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nothing going into the feedback outlet on the back, I reset the parameters, set to "loop", feedback still stuck at 100% no matter what the front knob position is. I guess if its gonna be stuck thats where I want it. ;+b I guess I can either get an outboard volum pedal to control feedback or get the pot fixed for the knob. What is the usual place you all get EDPs fixed? Thanks for all your help! What a great buncha helpful folks! ============================================== Doug Miller Web Designer Columbus, Ohio http://www.dispatch.com http://www.cccn.org http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller > If you are uncertain about it, you can also reset the parameters to > defaults by holding the parameter button down at startup, and leaving it > pressed until it finishes the bootup. > > If you've done that and nothing is connected to the feedback pedal input on > the back, there may well be something wrong with it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 19:36:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18212; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 19:14:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 19:14:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:00:30 -0700 From: "Miko Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: A Repeater suggestion Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id TAA17407 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry gang... this might be a bit late in the thread, but I wanted to give Andre the courtesy of a reply to his comments. Miko Biffle wrote: >> With all due respect Andre, this is a system integration problem. EVERYONE using a mixer and bussing the looper on an aux send is going to have this problem, and provide a workaround to solve it. Managing multiple inputs/instruments/voices usually involves a mixer. > And with all due respect to you, I personally have never used a mixer and/or an aux send bus with a looper, and I've been using an Echoplex since October of 1995. When I just want to plug in straight through the thing, I'll be just fine too. Agreed... but there's the other side of the coin. It's a pain on an aux buss. Why would you argue for less functionality? > Now, clearly, this is an issue for someone like yourself, since it's an intrinsic part of the way you work. On the other hand, there are people who don't use loopers in the way you're describing it, who aren't going to be thinking in those terms. I would suggest that the design team at Electrix is one such group of people. My point is that it's a simple and fairly common mode of control, which is necessary for adding the box to a mixer. And am baffled why you'd think that Electrix is targeting some mythical market that doesn't want to use the Repeater on a mixer aux buss... I can't believe that's true. I'd think they'd do whatever they could to make their box work well in many applications. >> In the multi-track paradigm, most multi-track studios manage their dsp's/loopers etc using the same fx buss / aux buss architecture most mixers are designed with. << > Doesn't it seem like the Repeater is designed as more of an "all-in-one" multitrack feature box, rather than being something that you fundamentally integrate into a larger system? It only records... it needs inputs and it's outputs go somewhere... it will ALWAYS be part of a larger system. Be it a guitar - Repeater - amp, or a larger scale setup. Most DJ's as well as guitarists on this list happen to use fairly sophisticated setups. Multi-channels; inserts; real-time-midi control; Switchblades and relay switchers; Many like having their looper on an aux send to handle multiple inputs so they can build a track of different voices. > It seems less like a component you'd plug into an external mixer, and more like a thing you'd use independently, in and of itself. The absence of a wet/dry control certainly seems to lend credence to that theory... You're letting the cart drive the horse here Andre. Damon admitted himself that they went DOH! when they realized they hadn't implemented some version of that capability. Actually, you're giving a lot of philosophical credence to their oversight. Maybe it's JUST an oversight? >> ACID is a DAW multi-track with it's own limitations etc. << > And Repeater is a hardware DAW-style multitrack with its own limitations as well, clearly. And you're justifying leaving off a useful feature here? What's your point? I'm just trying to give useful feedback to the manufacturer. If you need to defend them for some reason go ahead. I would think that Electrix would welcome these inputs. This is an important feature to many of us... >> A universal balance. That way it WORKS on an aux send of a mixer. This is basic, studio setup stuff here. << > But a Repeater isn't a basic piece of studio gear. It's a product that draws on a lot of different points of view and combines them into something that we haven't seen before. It's just a four track recorder, mixer. Put a blend on there dammit. It's pretty basic. They've used very elegant packaging and user i/f; high level pitch transposing s/w; great components. They're not above some useful critique here. I'm not going to put them on a pedestal, act like they're a powerful diety and not ask questions about their motivations for doing certain things with their product. I'd like to know where they're going and how and when (if ever) they'll get there. This is how I plan for integrating ANY piece of gear into my setup. > Look, I'm not trying to be a salesperson for the Repeater (where's my endorsement deal, Damon?!) I don't own one, and I don't have any particular need for one in the work I do. So maybe stand back and let those with real interest in the product try to sort ou the pros and cons? > But I do think it's worth stopping for a second, stepping outside onesself, and looking at where the unit is coming from before chastizing the company for not fulfilling any individual user's vision of the ideal tool. I've been a strong supporter of their product efforts and welcome the Repeater with open arms. Now I'm learning even more about it's features and asking questions. Everything I was taught to do in order to learn and grow. >> This is the reason I don't use Vortexes, and Line 6 DL4, as much as I love them both. << > You are aware that the Vortex can set up an independent wet/dry mix for each individual patch, I assume? Sure, but most of the patches function best in the absence of a dry signal in my opinion. I've had a few of them and utilized them in many, many ways to great effect. You act like one shouldn't look at things with a critical eye. I try to see strengths AND weaknesses ok? They're both open for examination and improvement. > It's not a hardware balance knob, certainly. But I personally wouldn't let that stop me from integrating it into the very sort of mixer-aux-send scenario you describe yourself; in fact I've used a Vortex as an effect through a send, as my main external unit, dozens of times, and it works great. As have I... If I had 6 aux sends, I might have a Vortex there. I have only two (with a third Alt 3/4) and choose different boxes to use there. Vortex lost due to it's limitations there. I'm still aware that it's an awesome box and love the thing. I'm sure you're aware that many of their 100% wet patches still have non-delayed real-time signal in there which on an aux send causes phase cancellation as well as volume jumps? These are integration problems which can be avoided with simple foresight. I'm hoping any OTHER product developers watching this list are checking out our accumulating feature-set wish-list and filing it away. >> If I were selling a product and KNEW I'd lose users due to a simple oversight, I'd clear that up. If Electrix is listening, I'm adding my request for wet/dry mix as well as single button press to go from record to overdub. This is also a serious ommision. > Well, > 1) Obviously Electrix didn't KNOW that this was a serious problem; Damon admitted online it was an oversight and they'll address it. That's product design... there's always something overlooked. > 2) Considering that they've had a waiting list of users for about a year, none of whom had ever even USED a Repeater before placing their orders, I don't think Electrix is saddled with a lack of customer interest; Your point? > 3) Until such time as people have ACTUALLY USED the thing in the real world, I'm not convinced that this is the end of the world for anyone. You're sniping here Andre... this is highly uncharacteristic of you. Why is it such a problem to you that a large number of us are surprised at the lack of a feature we all expect in a sophisticated unit? The one-tap record-into-overdub capability is really a second gripe, but I'm sure they'll probably take care of all this, ESPECIALLY in light of having heard our instant reaction. Maybe they haven't been looping as long as some of us? 8-) We can all benefit from building on their GREAT platform. > Again, folks: A lot of these posts have the ring of, "Wow, this thing isn't what I thought it would be." And, again: The specs and details of the unit have been readily available for the better part of a year. Nobody made anyone buy a unit without trying it first. Many of us DESIGN and consult regarding feature sets and user i/f on products of all types here. We will certainly use our skills to try and push the envelope (and anyone willing to listen) in the direction of adding more functionality. Before I buy a product, I always try to visualize it's possible shortcomings in the context I intend to use it, so I won't waste my money or be dissappointed. I usually test it beforehand as well... That's why I'm asking these questions. I know I can get an answer from the actual manufacturer of the gear. > If you actually try working with the thing and it absolutely cannot do what you want it to after you've learned its interface, then that's the time to start making requests for design modifications. Until then, though... Chill, peeps! Sorry Andre... It's a simple question, that we've spent more time engaged with you, than the designers. I'm a big fan of your music, and your rational, logical, level-headed approach to many things we've discussed. This just seems to be a different kettle of fish and I'm not quite sure why you're trying to dissuade us from asking these questions. > Again, all said with all possible respect to all parties involved... --Andre Likewise... Respect, -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 20:57:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23418; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 20:36:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 20:36:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: Best Repeater Deals Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 17:27:28 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The best deal that seems to be out there right now is at SixteCycle.com They are expecting 12 more units in the next couple of weeks and have only one person on their current waiting list. They are also selling for $525, which is cheaper than Alto's current $549 (let alone the fact that Alto isn't even taking orders...). I just thought I'd pass this info along. They contacted me today. I will have my Repeater on Tuesday! Yeah baby! Great people to deal with, IMO. (be sure to check back with Alto though. I just also picked up an MPX-1 and MPX-R1 from Alto and they gave me a spankin' deal with great service) If anyone finds a cheaper price, be sure to post it! Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 21:54:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26947; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 21:33:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 21:33:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010831211608.007dc020@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 21:16:08 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Best Repeater Deals In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:27 PM 8/31/01 -0700, TG wrote: >If anyone finds a cheaper price, be sure to post it! Wasn't there some sort of, um, unwritten etiquette thing about not posting the prices on group buys/special discounts? I hope I'm wrong because this sort of information would be very useful to the list at large, but I seem to remember a few instances of ruffled feathers over the past couple of years involving price disclosures. Tim (another one) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 22:19:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28054; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 21:58:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 21:58:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B903CEF.615DE2D9@altruistmusic.com> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 18:42:06 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: A Repeater suggestion References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Miko, >> Sorry Andre... It's a simple question, that we've spent more time engaged with you, than the designers. << Then I'm sorry to have chimed in with an opinion. Since this is a public forum and discussion, it seems to me that anyone (including the designers) could choose to chime in on the ideas I've brought forth if they were so inclined. Again, it seems I've taken up an undue and unwelcome amount of your time, and for that I apologize. >> This just seems to be a different kettle of fish and I'm not quite sure why you're trying to dissuade us from asking these questions. << That's not what I'm trying to do. What I AM trying to do is get a sense of where the design philosophy was coming from in the first place, and offer that philosophy forth as a response to criticisms which (in my increasingly dubious perspective) might not entirely reflect an appreciation of what Electrix was after. And, as I've said before, I find it troubling when people start asking for modifications on gear they may not totally understand or be conversant with. Especially when they don't actually have the gear in hand. Anyway... I've spent more than enough time trying to offer my (seemingly unwelcome) point of view on the unit. So I gladly defer to you and the other Repeater users and customers with a more informed and vested interest in the unit than myself. >> So maybe stand back and let those with real interest in the product try to sort ou the pros and cons? << Sure thing, man. Sorry to have wasted any time trying to give my disinterested personal slant on where the product might be coming from. --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 22:36:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29849; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 22:16:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 22:16:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B90421A.64B854AF@bcpl.net> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 22:05:06 -0400 From: Michael Preston/Kristin Seeberger Reply-To: seepres@bcpl.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NYC looping gig 9.4.2001- electric tuba References: <006101c13248$26c89c00$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> <3.0.5.32.20010831154221.007da4f0@pop.metrocast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Mike, Tom can be reached at tomheasley@aol.com while he is on the road (with a borrowed laptop). I don't know if he is currently subscribed to LD from that address. If so, Hi Tom! Michael Tim Nelson wrote: > Maybe you could find a venue in Muncie and contact Tom to set up a show on > his way back West! He's driving, not flying... > > -t > > At 01:31 PM 8/31/01 -0500, you wrote: > > > > > > Man, do I ever live in the wrong town. =) > > > > mike (from Muncie, Indiana) > > > > > >on 8/31/01 1.09 PM, David Beardsley at db@biink.com wrote: > > > >> Tuesday September 4th set > >> at 7pm > >> TOM HEASLEY > >> > >> Touring in support of his Hypnos cd "Where The Earth Meets The Sky". > >> > >> Downtown Music Gallery > >> 211 E. 5th St. N.Y., N.Y. 10003 > >> Phone: (212) 473-0043 > >> > >> a solo tuba excursion with electronics. Tom hails from the west > >> coast and has worked with Pauline Oliveros & Loren Mazzacane-Connors. > >> It's free, so come on down! > >> > >> Have a nice weekend folks.... > >> > >> * David Beardsley > >> * http://biink.com > >> * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley > > > > > >_________________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 22:51:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30557; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 22:30:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 22:30:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B904545.70DA0F3A@bcpl.net> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 22:18:40 -0400 From: Michael Preston/Kristin Seeberger Reply-To: seepres@bcpl.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Tom Heasley in Baltimore 9/7/2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All, again, Just thought I'd repeat this as a reminder to anyone who wants to come (Our tiny space is filling up.). So far we have three LD list members coming, and Tom and I are two of them. The last time I sent this to you, it may have been eclipsed by the official announcement of shipped Repeaters. Tom Heasley will be performing in Baltimore, Maryland USA, on Friday, September 7, from 7-9pm at my house. Tom plays the Mirafone 188 Tuba, PVC Didjeridu, throat sings a bit, and applies digital processing: yes he loops! He uses the EDP, the DL4, and some other cool gadgets. This will be a small gathering of maybe 30 adults and children; we'll try to wrap up by 9pm so the very little ones can stay in tune with bedtime routines. Adult admission is $10 and kids are free. Read about Tom's musical paths here: http://kalvos.org/heasley.html And check out a review of his latest release here: http://www.spiderbytes.com/ambientrance/hea-wems.htm Please e-mail me off-list if you'd like to come; I'll give you directions, etc. I hope some of you delightful Baltimore area loopers can come and hear Tom, and hang out. Michael Preston From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 22:55:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30676; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 22:34:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 22:34:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ejdrake@pop.mindspring.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3B8FE10C.B560D7AD@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 22:26:12 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ed Drake Subject: Re: Bob Sellon's Jamman stereo multitrack upgrade Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all, Bob is still in the JamMan update "business" as such, even though he no longer works at Lexicon. Here are 2 links to check out. http://people.ne.mediaone.net/sellon/jamman2.htm http://people.ne.mediaone.net/sellon/jamman0_4contents.htm I loop with an Echoplex, a JamMan with Bob's special ROM and on next Tuesday from Alto music, I'll get a Repeater. You can never have too many looping devices, I say. Other than the Repeater, which I haven't used yet, I like both the Plex and updated JamMan even though they are different. All of the features of the ROM update are addressable via MIDI. To really conveniently access all of the functionality of Bob's special ROM, you MUST!!! have a MIDI controller. I use a PMC-10. The design of the updated JamMan (4 tracks available simultaneously in each loop) is similar to the looping architecture of the Repeater but the JamMan still only has a total of 32 sec available for loops. There is no "stereo" as such in the "new" JamMan but each loop is pannable with volume control. The coolest thing in Bob's new ROM is that you can go back and forth from delay mode with feedback to loop mode via footswitch. After I get the Repeater I'll try and post my impressions. Ed >Mark: > >There were only a few prototypes upgrades to the Jamman, it was never a >commercial product. For a while the manual for the upgrade was online, but >I believe it too has disappeared. There are archives in Looper's Delight >that explain what it was all about. > >best, >Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 23:15:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31443; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 22:54:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 22:54:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B904AB4.EF8F935B@altruistmusic.com> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 19:40:51 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mo' EDP Tutorial, pleas! (re: Feature Comparison (Repeater & EDP) References: <200108311458.KAA11803@hemlock.violacea.com> <3B8FB98E.6E02@Hevanet.Com.> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi David, DaViD AuKeR wrote: > > It allows you to pick out a small section of of a larger loop, loop it, do > > anything you want with it, then if you like you can go back to the original > > loop. > > > > Andy, Kim, et al.: HOW IS THAT DONE? How would the appropiate > parameters be set to accomplish that? 1) Set Quantize to OFF 2) At the precise point in the original loop that you want to extract a new smaller section from, press "Multiply." 3) At the precise point that you want the new, smaller section to end, press "Record." (Do NOT end this function with "Multiply" a second time.) You should now have a new, shorter loop. If you want to go back to the original loop, you could use UNDO, although it's possible that you could use up too much memory in subsequent operations to be able to return completely to the original loop. One way to avoid this would be to use multiple loops: before you extract the shorter loop (in the three-step example above), copy the original loop to a new loop location. Then perform the edits on the copied loop. If you want to go back to the original loop, it's already stored in a seperate location. Hope that helps, --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 23:21:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA00348; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 23:00:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 23:00:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: Best Repeater Deals Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 19:52:04 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010831211608.007dc020@pop.metrocast.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Tim, Thanks for the heads up. My sincerest apologies to whoever was negatively affected by my post. I am new to the group and I was only trying to help. So... please disregard my last post. ;) I decided to post the info after hearing about the English prices (almost a grand for a Repeater) and after a list member emailed me with pricing info. -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: Tim Nelson [mailto:tnelson@metrocast.net] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 6:16 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Best Repeater Deals At 05:27 PM 8/31/01 -0700, TG wrote: >If anyone finds a cheaper price, be sure to post it! Wasn't there some sort of, um, unwritten etiquette thing about not posting the prices on group buys/special discounts? I hope I'm wrong because this sort of information would be very useful to the list at large, but I seem to remember a few instances of ruffled feathers over the past couple of years involving price disclosures. Tim (another one) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 23:54:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01552; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 23:33:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 23:33:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: HarryEsq@aol.com Message-ID: <34.1a3649b3.28c1ada0@aol.com> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 23:18:56 EDT Subject: Re: --OT: in praise of Zvonar's "Frikkit" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_34.1a3649b3.28c1ada0_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10535 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_34.1a3649b3.28c1ada0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey folks - i was passing though montpelier on my way to smuggler's notch last weekend - unfortunately i only got to stop briefly and basically at the end of the festival (mid afternoon sunday) - but i managed to hear a few impromptu things going on and pick up a program - which was nice to have a souvinier - and of course, to cd shop a bit - i'm sorry i missed everything - but hope it will be done again next year and i can plan a little better - what a gorgeous part of the world vermont is!! - harry --part1_34.1a3649b3.28c1ada0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey folks - i was passing though montpelier on my way to smuggler's notch
last weekend - unfortunately i only got to stop briefly and basically at the
end of the festival (mid afternoon sunday) - but i managed to hear a few
impromptu things going on and pick up a program - which was nice to have a
souvinier - and of course, to cd shop a bit - i'm sorry i missed everything -
but hope it will be done again next year and i can plan a little better -
what a gorgeous part of the world vermont is!! - harry --part1_34.1a3649b3.28c1ada0_boundary--