From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 00:29:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA14284; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 00:28:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 00:28:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <67.105f0d32.27cf37c6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 00:27:34 EST Subject: Re: boomerang manual To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_67.105f0d32.27cf37c6_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_67.105f0d32.27cf37c6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/28/01 10:46:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, addicted@noos.fr writes: > I didnt find the manual in the box !!! > hey bob.....im sure mike @ boomerang will get you a manual.....if you have any questions about your rang, im sure someone here can answer it.....also if you go to the www.loopers-delight.com and look under tools of the trade you can get some more information on the rang, you can find out what the up-grade allows the rang to do.....its all very straight ahead and easy to use, thats why i love it.....michael --part1_67.105f0d32.27cf37c6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/28/01 10:46:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,
addicted@noos.fr writes:


I didnt find the manual in the box !!!


hey bob.....im sure mike @ boomerang will get you a manual.....if you have
any questions about your rang, im sure someone here can answer it.....also if
you go to the   www.loopers-delight.com  and look under tools of the trade
you can get some more information on the rang, you can find out what the
up-grade allows the rang to do.....its all very straight ahead and easy to
use, thats why i love it.....michael --part1_67.105f0d32.27cf37c6_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 01:48:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15630; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 01:47:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 01:47:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: fnothing@pop.sirius.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 22:55:23 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: fnothing@sirius.com (Jonathan Byerly) Subject: BOOMERANG ABflex Resent-Message-ID: <23YeZC.A.XzD.FBfn6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Micheal, Thanks, I did not know that, that is wild, wild wacky stuff... You're right though, I wouldn't sell my beloved Boomerang, I love dancing on it...really.. my first tap-tempo looper, (err, whatever), how could I??? .. ......Jonathan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 01:49:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15626; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 01:47:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 01:47:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: fnothing@pop.sirius.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 22:55:27 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: fnothing@sirius.com (Jonathan Byerly) Subject: mea culdesac Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Neal, Re: "cul-de-sac" I did phrase it "I believe". It doesn't make it right/wrong, it just makes it my opinion...Big rigs with lots of momentum are hard to backup. Everyone needs to reverse sometimes. I could be wrong about Hendrix... I mean Jimi. ......Jonathan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 03:40:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA17216; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 03:39:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 03:39:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000001c0a22b$95cce320$34cd0a3e@hiroshi> From: "Maurizio Buttari" To: "Loopers delight" Subject: mp3.com/MaurizioButtari Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 04:25:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <0KWuVB.A.sME.tpgn6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ciao loopers, These songs were made with only two Yamaha units: a SU700 and a RM1X. I made all the loops and the programming. The goal was to have a good sound using cheap gear. I hope to have reached... Have a listen to my band Nuclearte (I'm programmer and live engineer) on www.nuclearte.com www.mp3.com/MaurizioButtari From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 05:20:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA18337; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 05:17:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 05:17:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A9E2184.58C53BA5@swipnet.se> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 11:16:40 +0100 From: Frank Sanderson Reply-To: sandersonic@swipnet.se Organization: "Well,I'm usually pretty well organized" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:Good one References: <200102281702.MAA20112@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That was pretty funny! > > > Don't be so sure, Mr Marsalis. In 25 years, the current young generation > will be in charge of VH-1, classic rock radio programming, film studios, > etc. If they behave like the baby-boomers, they will produce loads of > documentaries glorifying the great coming of Kid Rock and Limp Bizkit, and > how music was dull and dead before they descended from the sky to change > everything. They will play these things over and over again on VH-1 until > everybody believes it. they will fill the radio waves with it. They will > make lists of the 100 best rock songs ever with "nookie" at the top. And > then they will release special edition Kid Rock box sets that will launch > to the top of the charts as aging Gen-Xers rush out to buy it and > romanticize their youth. That business model works great now, why give it > up? > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > - From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 07:28:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA19937; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 07:26:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 07:26:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003401c0a24a$a3dfb2c0$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Posted on Mi2N Today Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 12:24:46 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01C0A24A.9A503040" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <5wuDDD.A.I3E.y-jn6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C0A24A.9A503040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings, I posted the following in response to the Napster situation today. I = thought you would be interested. Some of us who supported the Home Taping Rights Coalition in their fight = against RIAA's typical attempt to illegally keep DAT technology from = entering the US should become active again, I suspect. This is "RIAA (The Empire) Strikes Back" all over again. While record = industry execs scream and whine "They're stealing from us!" they = undeniably are the biggest users of such technology. When the cost of = DATs was through the roof, when the VCR was out of reach of home users, = record and movie industry executives had this technology in their homes = and offices, while doing their best to keep it out of EVERYONE ELSES'. = Now they're successfully using Napster's unfortunate flaunting of = copyright law against all of us, while surreptitiously keeping the cost = of DVD recording high, and thus out of the reach of - surprise - = EVERYONE ELSE. That's YOU, folks. Stand up and be counted - support = the Electronic Freedom Foundation, and write your representatives to = tell them how worried you are about the possibility of these elitists = keeping technology to themselves, and restricting international trade as = a result. Stephen Goodman EarthLight Productions http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery.html - Online Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C0A24A.9A503040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greetings,
 
I posted the following in response to the = Napster=20 situation today.  I thought you would be interested.
 
Some of us who supported the Home Taping Rights Coalition in their = fight=20 against RIAA's typical attempt to illegally keep DAT technology from = entering=20 the US should become active again, I suspect.
 
This is "RIAA (The Empire) Strikes Back" all over again.  = While record=20 industry execs scream and whine "They're stealing from us!" they = undeniably are=20 the biggest users of such technology.  When the cost of DATs was = through=20 the roof, when the VCR was out of reach of home users, record and movie = industry=20 executives had this technology in their homes and offices, while doing = their=20 best to keep it out of EVERYONE ELSES'.  Now they're successfully = using=20 Napster's unfortunate flaunting of copyright law against all of us, = while=20 surreptitiously keeping the cost of DVD recording high, and thus out of = the=20 reach of - surprise - EVERYONE ELSE.  That's YOU, folks.  = Stand up and=20 be counted - support the Electronic Freedom Foundation, and write your=20 representatives to tell them how worried you are about the possibility = of these=20 elitists keeping technology to themselves, and restricting international = trade=20 as a result.
 
Stephen Goodman
EarthLight Productions
http://www.earthlight.net= /Gallery.html=20 - Online Cartoons & Illustrations
http://www.earthlight.net/Stud= ios *=20 The free Loop of the Week!
http://www.mp3.com/StephenGood= man *=20 New MP3 Releases!
------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C0A24A.9A503040-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 10:22:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22903; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 10:19:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 10:19:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cave@pop1.osk.3web.ne.jp X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1-J Message-Id: Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 00:18:27 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: [loop gig spam] "LOOPS" at Kobe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Our next loop gig info. "LOOPS" 6th March 2001 at BIG APPLE,Kobe Loop performance: Uchihashi Kazuhisa (Guitar,Daxophone loops) http://www.bekkoame.ne.jp/ro/bonbon/ Inami Sunao (Synth loops) http://www.cavestudio.com Ezaki Masafumi (Trumpet loops) Kojima Takashi (Sampler loops) Kawasaki Yoshihiro (Electronics loops) http://japan.park.org/Japan/Theme/sjapan/interview/kawasaki/profile/kawa_pro .html 19:30 start 2000 yen More Info & Contact : BIG APPLE http://www.bekkoame.ne.jp/i/big-apple/ phone 078-251-7049 Regards Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 11:04:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23864; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:02:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:02:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <8a.3099d22.27cfcc2b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:00:43 EST Subject: interesting dilema (PITTSBURGH GIG SPAM) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_8a.3099d22.27cfcc2b_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_8a.3099d22.27cfcc2b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit in my never ending quest to spread "LOOPISM" in am playing an open mic type show tomorrow nite at CARNEGIE MELLON UNIVERSITY, 8:00, it is a benefit for some RADICAL WOMENS COLLECTIVE (im sorry, i just dont know which one).....everyone gets like 10 mins to play so what is interesting is the scaled-back nature of what im going to play through, im not going to take all my bells and whistles, just my *g* (the unmentionable word) and my rang.....i may not be able to make the "BIG NOISE" with this set-up but it should still be fun.....my main objective is to meet some other players, hope i dont scare them away.....:).....also in the near future, april in fact, im going to set up a LOOPING DEMONSTRATION at my local library.....i will not rest untill pittsburgh is the center of the looping universe..... :)m --part1_8a.3099d22.27cfcc2b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit in my never ending quest to spread "LOOPISM" in am playing an open mic type
show tomorrow nite at CARNEGIE MELLON UNIVERSITY, 8:00, it is a  benefit for
some RADICAL WOMENS COLLECTIVE (im sorry, i just dont know which
one).....everyone gets like 10 mins to play so what is interesting is the
scaled-back nature of what im going to play through, im not going to take all
my bells and whistles, just my *g* (the unmentionable word) and my rang.....i
may not be able to make the "BIG NOISE" with this set-up but it should still
be fun.....my main objective is to meet some other players, hope i dont scare
them away.....:).....also in the near future, april in fact, im going to set
up a LOOPING DEMONSTRATION at my local library.....i will not rest untill
pittsburgh is the center of the looping universe..... :)m --part1_8a.3099d22.27cfcc2b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 11:18:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24233; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:16:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:16:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.165.24.22] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: interesting dilema (PITTSBURGH GIG SPAM) Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 16:15:31 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Mar 2001 16:15:31.0320 (UTC) FILETIME=[D65FA780:01C0A26A] Resent-Message-ID: <7LcNhD.A.Z6F.CXnn6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey!...way to go. I really feel that all us Loopers should try to schedule events like that in our own neck of the woods. Good luck! I am not too sure about Pittsburgh being the center of the Looping universe.....but if your goal is met then I will make a pilgrimage there. Max >From: Nemoguitt@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: interesting dilema (PITTSBURGH GIG SPAM) >Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:00:43 EST > >in my never ending quest to spread "LOOPISM" in am playing an open mic type >show tomorrow nite at CARNEGIE MELLON UNIVERSITY, 8:00, it is a benefit >for >some RADICAL WOMENS COLLECTIVE (im sorry, i just dont know which >one).....everyone gets like 10 mins to play so what is interesting is the >scaled-back nature of what im going to play through, im not going to take >all >my bells and whistles, just my *g* (the unmentionable word) and my >rang.....i >may not be able to make the "BIG NOISE" with this set-up but it should >still >be fun.....my main objective is to meet some other players, hope i dont >scare >them away.....:).....also in the near future, april in fact, im going to >set >up a LOOPING DEMONSTRATION at my local library.....i will not rest untill >pittsburgh is the center of the looping universe..... :)m _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 11:19:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24296; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:18:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:18:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.241.39.123] From: "Jeffrey Robert" To: Subject: Sound Card question Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 09:20:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003F_01C0A230.CAAD5160" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Mar 2001 16:17:14.0156 (UTC) FILETIME=[13AB2EC0:01C0A26B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C0A230.CAAD5160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I have a hardware question for you all. I want to start putting my = loops online but I don't know what kind of soundcard to get. Any = suggestions on an inexpensive sound card? My setup is a Yamaha MD-4 = --> soundcard? ---> Windows 2000 machine? =20 Which raises another question, with the new Windows operating systems ME = and 2000, which is better for multi-media applications like editing = music? ME seems quite buggy, but supposedly more designed for this use. = Any feedback? thanks, Lew ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C0A230.CAAD5160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,
I have a hardware question = for you=20 all.  I want to start putting my loops online but I don't know what = kind of=20 soundcard to get.  Any suggestions on an inexpensive sound=20 card?  My setup is a Yamaha = MD-4 =20 --> soundcard?  ---> Windows 2000 machine?  =
Which raises another question, with the = new Windows=20 operating systems ME and 2000, which is better for multi-media = applications=20 like editing music?  ME seems quite buggy, but supposedly more = designed for=20 this use.  Any feedback?
thanks,
Lew
------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C0A230.CAAD5160-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 12:03:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25371; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 12:00:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 12:00:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <7f.10d175ef.27cfd9a3@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:58:11 EST Subject: fdbk control/dt goes astray, again..... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <61Ybr.A.5LG.b_nn6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com all, please forgive my obvious penchant for vague & cloudy philosophising, here..... steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes: >Yeah, Ideally you'll have both - I do like the idea of fading from one >loop to the next - I've heard Eberhard Weber do this >with an EDP - good effect. yeah, yup: btw: i brought eberhard his first 'looping' device' -a pcm42 just like mine, modified by gary hall (?bob sellon?)- way back in 1985 (?'84?). we were in jan garbarek group, together, for a coupla years; ew liked my looping-contributions to that music, & wanted to explore that arena, for himself..... >I create a similar effect by fading a loop by >foot whilst looping with another box - ie. JamMan >with loop gets faded by volume pedal, whilst stuff being played is being >looped with DL4... cool. >I'd never argue for less control, though too many controls can lead to >control being limited... as more controls are offered on looping-instruments, we each seem to have the opportunity to more selectively choose which of those controls we *focus* upon. and, as 'looping-as-an-instrument' is still in development ---(as are the products on offer ---indeed, it appears to me that, other than the EDP & the impending Repeater, it's still in its infancy, w/most looping-instruments still playing catch-up w/the old tape-loop/long-delay-line paradigm, and many players' useage of the technology hyper-focussed upon the 'looper-as-playback-device')--- i'd currently hafta argue that there cannot be too many controls -especially, as regards expressivity- though i do believe that the interface w/a complex set of controls might possibly impede their (eventual) musical/virtuosic employ..... >As GAry has quoted me saying, >I'm not planning on adding anything new to my setup til I'm completely >conversant with what I've got - I'd rather hear >someone playing with an 8 second JamMan that they knew inside out, than >looping clumsily with 14 EDPs or Repeaters all linked >up, as I'm sure any of us would. dig; i think i understand that noble sentiment. but, i'd hope that the application, thereof, is not too broadly painted..... (for myself, 'tis true that i'd mostly rather hear a musician capable of playing a piece of music that moves me w/just one note & simple 'gear', than any expressively-disconnected fleet-fingered 'virtuoso' w/racks and racks of unused-and-potentially-misunderstood electro-goo..... i do wonder why we musicians seem so often intent on finding & furthering these kindsa polarising concepts, all the time, though?) would anyone, here, reject the exploratory addition of a new kinda bass/turntable/guitar/computer/etc to your kit, even if you had only a few specialised-but-irreplaceable uses for it? and -again, sorry for what may be rhetorical: how will ya *know* when yer 'completely conversant' w/whatall instruments you're currently using: when your useage of said instrument is 'fluid'? when your peers tell you that it's 'so'? when your imagination tires of mining the possibilities? when your musical education 'satisfies' you? and, re: the presentation of someone 'looping clumsily w/14 EDP's or Repeaters': it may be that that freak is gonna present something musically *phenomenal*, someday, eh? the edges of any 'movement' are always in development/in motion, & there appear to be myriad consensually-acceptable criteria & agreements for 'judgement'; maybe it's important to remember that for some folk it's better to sharpen the edges, than to codify & organise what's already been done..... i think it might be our responsibility -and, to our advantage- to encourage that activity, here in the looping-worlds..... and, i'd hold that it certainly is our responsibility to the world, as musicians. >Once I've nailed the current set up, it'll be time for bigger boxes :o) cool. me, i just (somewhat reluctantly, & w/a hint of financial difficulty--- i have 2 kids in the american univer$ity $y$tem, y'all.....) bought another guitar -a different one, w/some potential for new/personal musical functionalities- even though i haven't mastered the other one, yet, and can't believe that i ever will..... 8-) best, dt / SPLaTTeRCeLL From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 12:32:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26194; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 12:30:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 12:30:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901c0a275$7ac86280$5e0045cf@up> From: "willby" To: References: <001b01c0a18d$cc4af8e0$cd9b56d1@up> <3A9D8B2A.89DD90E1@vtx.ch> <005701c0a1ac$a17dd8c0$7bb387d8@cliff> <000b01c0a1b0$ae14f920$890c78d8@prelayomb> <3A9D4C3C.CB3177B1@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: EDP MIDI sync problem Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 12:31:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for all the great input. I've just read up on the Repeater & I think the suggestion of adding that makes sense. To me at least; will start building justification argument to the wife soon. Will also start figuring out how best to make room on the mixer. Regards, Byron willby@mindspring.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "lance glover" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 2:30 PM Subject: Re: EDP MIDI sync problem > > > Gary Lehmann wrote: > > > Cliff sez: > > > > > Of course you know this is not true or as simple as that- you just have to > > > be creative- fade a loop, fade the drums- bring in new tempo- etc- May not > > > be your ideal but there are ways to move your groove- > > > > > > > > > Gary sez: > > Of course there is--buy a Repeater > > (I want it, I want it, I want it, I want it, I want it, I want it, > > > > > > > >) > > PS Can't sell my EDP tho--too much fun > > G > > since they have different feature sets (and pretty swell ones at that), it only > makes sense to have both, yes? > > lance g. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 13:14:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27044; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 13:11:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 13:11:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KB305@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 13:09:41 EST Subject: Re: dt goes astray, again..... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a7.c26e335.27cfea65_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_a7.c26e335.27cfea65_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 03/01/2001 11:00:29 AM Central Standard Time, Hedewa7@aol.com writes: > > we were in jan garbarek group, together, for a coupla years; ew liked my > looping-contributions to that music, & wanted to explore that arena, for > himself..... > you guys made one of the finest records ever made by humans: it's OK to listen to the gray voice > > and -again, sorry for what may be rhetorical: > how will ya *know* when yer 'completely conversant' w/whatall instruments > you're currently using: when your useage of said instrument is 'fluid'? > when > your peers tell you that it's 'so'? when your imagination tires of mining > the > possibilities? when your musical education 'satisfies' you? > I know I don't/ain't/haven't. But there's MUSIC in here that wants OUT! I can't wait 30 MORE years and hope-I'm-ready! > me, i just (somewhat reluctantly, & w/a hint of financial difficulty--- i > have 2 kids in the american univer$ity $y$tem, y'all.....) bought another > guitar -a different one, w/some potential for new/personal musical > functionalities- even though i haven't mastered the other one, yet, and > can't > believe that i ever will..... > 8-) > best, > What'dja buy, Dave? I'm guessing not another Klein... Unless you finally persuaded Lorenzo to make you a true archtop (I asked him about the same thing, he mentioned you had bugged him about it...) kevin --part1_a7.c26e335.27cfea65_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 03/01/2001 11:00:29 AM Central Standard Time,
Hedewa7@aol.com writes:

we were in jan garbarek group, together, for a coupla years; ew liked my
looping-contributions to that music, & wanted to explore that arena, for
himself.....


you guys made one of the finest records ever made by humans: it's OK to
listen to the gray voice


and -again, sorry for what may be rhetorical:
how will ya *know* when yer 'completely conversant' w/whatall instruments
you're currently using: when your useage of said instrument is 'fluid'?
when
your peers tell you that it's 'so'? when your imagination tires of mining
the
possibilities? when your musical education 'satisfies' you?


I know I don't/ain't/haven't.  But there's MUSIC in here that wants OUT!  I
can't wait 30 MORE years and hope-I'm-ready!

me, i just (somewhat reluctantly, & w/a hint of financial difficulty--- i
have 2 kids in the american univer$ity $y$tem, y'all.....) bought another
guitar -a different one, w/some potential for new/personal musical
functionalities- even though i haven't mastered the other one, yet, and
can't
believe that i ever will.....
8-)
best,


What'dja buy, Dave?  I'm guessing not another Klein... Unless you finally
persuaded Lorenzo to make you a true archtop (I asked him about the same
thing, he mentioned you had bugged him about it...)

kevin --part1_a7.c26e335.27cfea65_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 16:22:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31184; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 16:20:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 16:20:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAEBB@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: so cal gig spam Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 16:17:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0A295.0F09C820" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0A295.0F09C820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Splinter Group CRIB/G.E. Stinson duo Sunday, March 4th, 8pm Knitting Factory LA Alterknit Lounge $7 (i think) Splinter Group is: G.E. Stinson: gtr, shrapnel Steuart Liebig: bass, loopage, alchemy Kauru: vocals, toys, hand percussion, weather Chowderhead: turntables, noises, slop ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0A295.0F09C820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" so cal gig spam

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C0A295.0F09C820-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 17:59:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00800; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 17:57:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 17:57:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010301225643.26334.qmail@web5105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 14:56:43 -0800 (PST) From: Alx Subject: Re: Sound Card question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Emagic "Aw2" is a pretty good soundcard and it costs around US$ 200-220, I read event electronics came out with a new soundcard that also is around $US 200, I think itīs called "Mia" or "Mona". Alx --- Jeffrey Robert wrote: > Hello, > I have a hardware question for you all. I want to > start putting my loops online but I don't know what > kind of soundcard to get. Any suggestions on an > inexpensive sound card? My setup is a Yamaha MD-4 > --> soundcard? ---> Windows 2000 machine? > Which raises another question, with the new Windows > operating systems ME and 2000, which is better for > multi-media applications like editing music? ME > seems quite buggy, but supposedly more designed for > this use. Any feedback? > thanks, > Lew > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 18:15:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01694; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 18:13:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 18:13:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c0a2a5$8e102460$5d597018@flfrd1.on.wave.home.com> From: "Fabio Katz" To: Subject: EDP input/output gain & distortion problems Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 18:15:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C0A27B.A521B260" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C0A27B.A521B260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi loopers, I've had an Echoplex for more than 4 years, and I have recently bought a = brand new one to loop in stereo. I upgraded the software in my old unit to Loop III 5.0 and both work = together like a charm. The only problem was the difference in input/output gain between the two = EDPs, so I did the mod on my old one as explained in the FAQ http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ6.html#dist Now I can set the knobs in both units to almost the same position for = balanced stereo looping, but... the old unit after the mod sounds distorted, even before the LED goes = orange. I was careful to replace the right resistors with the correct values. = Only difference is that I got 2%, not 1% resistors in town. Is it possible that the mod may not work correctly on some units? What else could have gone wrong? In order to undo the mod I need to buy new resistors (our cat hid them), = in that case I would need to confirm the values of the original = resistors. Thanks for your help! Fabio Katz Stick and Loops http://www.geocities.com/fabiokatz http://www.mp3.com/fabiokatz ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C0A27B.A521B260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi loopers,
 
I've had an Echoplex for more than 4 = years, and I=20 have recently bought a brand new one to loop in stereo.
I upgraded the software in my old unit = to Loop III=20 5.0 and both work together like a charm.
The only problem was the difference in = input/output=20 gain between the two EDPs, so I did the mod on my old one as explained = in the=20 FAQ
 
    htt= p://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ6.html#dist
 
Now I can set the knobs in both units = to almost the=20 same position for balanced stereo looping, but...
 
the old unit after the mod sounds = distorted, even=20 before the LED goes orange.
 
I was careful to replace the right = resistors with=20 the correct values.  Only difference is that I got 2%, not 1% = resistors in=20 town.
 
Is it possible that the mod may not = work correctly=20 on some units?
 
What else could have gone = wrong?
 
In order to undo the mod I need to buy = new=20 resistors (our cat hid them), in that case I would need to confirm the = values of=20 the original resistors.
 
Thanks for your help!
 
Fabio Katz
Stick and Loops
http://www.geocities.com/fabi= okatz
http://www.mp3.com/fabiokatz
 
------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C0A27B.A521B260-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 18:22:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01919; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 18:21:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 18:21:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: Re: Sound Card question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 17:16:18 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 03/01/2001 05:16:19 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA01890 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I do have to pipe in about the Audiowerk 2. I have it. Great card for the money--SPIDF and all. However, the latency I got with the MME drivers on a Win98SE machine was intolerable (300+ ms) and I still haven't been able to get the thing to work under my new Win2000 machine. I've installed the new drivers in about every combination you can, have no other devices on the PCI bus and still no joy. Emagic's email support has been slow, and really, unresponsive. After telling them I installed the newest drivers, they took five days to respond, asking me, "did you install the newest drivers? Try that." Ugh. I've heard very good things about Event's products. If the MD4 has digital outs, look for a card with the same--best to avoid converters of you can. If the Emagic thing doesn't happen soon, I'll be investing in a RME Hammerfall, but that's digital I/O only (which is fine for me). I've also heard good things about the Delta Labs stuff. Good luck. L Alx cc: Subject: Re: Sound Card question 03/01/01 04:56 PM Please respond to Loopers-Delig ht The Emagic "Aw2" is a pretty good soundcard and it costs around US$ 200-220, I read event electronics came out with a new soundcard that also is around $US 200, I think itīs called "Mia" or "Mona". Alx --- Jeffrey Robert wrote: > Hello, > I have a hardware question for you all. I want to > start putting my loops online but I don't know what > kind of soundcard to get. Any suggestions on an > inexpensive sound card? My setup is a Yamaha MD-4 > --> soundcard? ---> Windows 2000 machine? > Which raises another question, with the new Windows > operating systems ME and 2000, which is better for > multi-media applications like editing music? ME > seems quite buggy, but supposedly more designed for > this use. Any feedback? > thanks, > Lew > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 18:58:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02758; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 18:56:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 18:56:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 15:55:59 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Sound Card question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA02709 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com M-Audio Delta 44 is $279.00 at the Digital Audio Works... http://digitalaudioworks.com/ This is 4 input / 4 output, 24bit/96Khz... It's gotten great reviews. It also comes with a cd packed with "Maximum Audio Tools" s/w, including a OEM 16 track version of Emagic Logic Audio (Logic-Delta). http://store.yahoo.com/dawstore/mimd442.html There is the Delta 66 which adds SPDIF I/O for $349.00... http://store.yahoo.com/dawstore/mimd662.html I keep looking and this seems like the highest quality vs. price solution... I haven't purchased yet though so if anyone knows of other quality options, please let me know! Best, -Miko >>> gendel777@yahoo.com 03/01/01 02:56PM >>> The Emagic "Aw2" is a pretty good soundcard and it costs around US$ 200-220, I read event electronics came out with a new soundcard that also is around $US 200, I think it s called "Mia" or "Mona". Alx --- Jeffrey Robert wrote: > Hello, > I have a hardware question for you all. I want to > start putting my loops online but I don't know what > kind of soundcard to get. Any suggestions on an > inexpensive sound card? My setup is a Yamaha MD-4 > --> soundcard? ---> Windows 2000 machine? > Which raises another question, with the new Windows > operating systems ME and 2000, which is better for > multi-media applications like editing music? ME > seems quite buggy, but supposedly more designed for > this use. Any feedback? > thanks, > Lew > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 19:07:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02504; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 18:50:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 18:50:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002e01c0a2aa$3d2440e0$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Sound Card question Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 23:49:20 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002B_01C0A2AA.3C20DAA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C0A2AA.3C20DAA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can recommend the SBLive card. I've got the MP3+ model, which lists = at about $99. I've not had a problem besides a brief conflict with the = VIA chipset handling whenever new hardware is added to the bus, which is = resolved by an IRQ sharing patch available from VIA. An addon supplies = 5.1 surround as well. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery.html - Online Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jeffrey Robert=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: 01 March 2001 16:20 PM Subject: Sound Card question Hello, I have a hardware question for you all. I want to start putting my = loops online but I don't know what kind of soundcard to get. Any = suggestions on an inexpensive sound card? My setup is a Yamaha MD-4 = --> soundcard? ---> Windows 2000 machine? =20 Which raises another question, with the new Windows operating systems ME = and 2000, which is better for multi-media applications like editing = music? ME seems quite buggy, but supposedly more designed for this use. = Any feedback? thanks, Lew ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C0A2AA.3C20DAA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I can recommend the SBLive card.  I've = got the=20 MP3+ model, which lists at about $99.  I've not had a problem = besides a=20 brief conflict with the VIA chipset handling whenever new hardware is = added to=20 the bus, which is resolved by an IRQ sharing patch available from = VIA.  An=20 addon supplies 5.1 surround as well.
Stephen Goodman
http://www.earthlight.net= /Gallery.html=20 - Online Cartoons & Illustrations
http://www.earthlight.net/Stud= ios *=20 The free Loop of the Week!
http://www.mp3.com/StephenGood= man *=20 New MP3 Releases!
 
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Jeffrey = Robert=20
Sent: 01 March 2001 16:20 PM
Subject: Sound Card question

Hello,
I have a hardware question = for you=20 all.  I want to start putting my loops online but I don't know what = kind of=20 soundcard to get.  Any suggestions on an inexpensive sound=20 card?  My setup is a Yamaha = MD-4 =20 --> soundcard?  ---> Windows 2000 machine?  =
Which raises another question, with the = new Windows=20 operating systems ME and 2000, which is better for multi-media = applications like=20 editing music?  ME seems quite buggy, but supposedly more designed = for this=20 use.  Any feedback?
thanks,
Lew
------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C0A2AA.3C20DAA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 20:33:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05768; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 20:31:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 20:31:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A9EF69E.927CFE2A@ernieball.com> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 17:25:50 -0800 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: EDP input/output gain & distortion problems References: <200103020007.TAA03469@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just spoke with our resident electronics expert, and he says that the resistor's tolerance value, in this application, doesn't matter. The important thing is that you use metal film resistors, because they are inherently less hissy than ceramic resistors. I've been having problems with distortion before the indicator turns red as well. Of course, I'm color blind, so maybe I'm just not catching the orange light. Here's a question for our electronics friends out there: are there any replacements for the EDP clip led that are, say, blue/yellow or blue/red, that might be more color-blind-friendly? -Hans > the old unit after the mod sounds distorted, even before the LED goes > orange. I was careful to replace the right resistors with the correct > values. Only difference is that I got 2%, not 1% resistors in > town. Is it possible that the mod may not work correctly on some > units? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 21:19:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07058; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 21:16:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 21:16:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200103020215.SAA08527@proxy4.ba.best.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 18:21:59 -0800 Subject: Re: EDP input/output gain & distortion problems From: "Allan Hoeltje" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3066315719_1673130_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <0uk8Q.A.utB.eJwn6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3066315719_1673130_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I have a similar situation with a twist. I bought an EDP from the first Gibson batch (group buy from Alto). I upgraded the RAM to the max and it works fine. I bought a second Gibson EDP (the second group buy from Alto) but this one is slightly different from the first one. The newer one came with the maximum RAM - a nice feature. The on/off switch is reversed - I can get used to that. But the real anoying difference is the input/output gain is much different between the two units. I can correct the gain problem by carefully adjusting the knobs but it would be much nicer if the units were better matched. Thankfully, I have not noticed any distortion in either unit. -Allan ---------- From: "Fabio Katz" To: Subject: EDP input/output gain & distortion problems Date: Thu, Mar 1, 2001, 3:15 PM Hi loopers, I've had an Echoplex for more than 4 years, and I have recently bought a brand new one to loop in stereo. I upgraded the software in my old unit to Loop III 5.0 and both work together like a charm. The only problem was the difference in input/output gain between the two EDPs, so I did the mod on my old one as explained in the FAQ http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ6.html#dist Now I can set the knobs in both units to almost the same position for balanced stereo looping, but... the old unit after the mod sounds distorted, even before the LED goes orange. I was careful to replace the right resistors with the correct values. Only difference is that I got 2%, not 1% resistors in town. Is it possible that the mod may not work correctly on some units? What else could have gone wrong? In order to undo the mod I need to buy new resistors (our cat hid them), in that case I would need to confirm the values of the original resistors. Thanks for your help! Fabio Katz Stick and Loops http://www.geocities.com/fabiokatz http://www.mp3.com/fabiokatz --MS_Mac_OE_3066315719_1673130_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: EDP input/output gain & distortion problems I have a similar situation with a twist.  I bought an EDP from the fir= st Gibson batch (group buy from Alto).  I upgraded the RAM to the max a= nd it works fine.  I bought a second Gibson EDP (the second group buy f= rom Alto) but this one is slightly different from the first one.

The newer one came with the maximum RAM - a nice feature.  The on/off = switch is reversed - I can get used to that.  But the real anoying diff= erence is the input/output gain is much different between the two units. &nb= sp;I can correct the gain problem by carefully adjusting the knobs but it wo= uld be much nicer if the units were better matched.

Thankfully, I have not noticed any distortion in either unit.

-Allan

----------
From: "Fabio Katz" <fabiok@home.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Subject: EDP input/output gain & distortion problems
Date: Thu, Mar 1, 2001, 3:15 PM


Hi loopers,
 
I've had an Echoplex for more than 4 year= s, and I have recently bought a brand new one to loop in stereo.
I upgraded the software in my old unit to Loop III 5.0 and both work togeth= er like a charm.
The only problem was the difference in input/output gain between the two ED= Ps, so I did the mod on my old one as explained in the FAQ
 
    http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ6.html#dist
 
Now I can set the knobs in both units to = almost the same position for balanced stereo looping, but...
 
the old unit after the mod sounds distort= ed, even before the LED goes orange.
 
I was careful to replace the right resist= ors with the correct values.  Only difference is that I got 2%, not 1% = resistors in town.
 
Is it possible that the mod may not work = correctly on some units?
 
What else could have gone wrong?
 
In order to undo the mod I need to buy ne= w resistors (our cat hid them), in that case I would need to confirm the val= ues of the original resistors.
 
Thanks for your help!
 
Fabio Katz
Stick and Loops
http://www.geocities.com/fabiokatz
http://www.mp3.com/fabiokatz
 

--MS_Mac_OE_3066315719_1673130_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 22:02:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08315; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 22:00:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 22:00:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010302025941.56065.qmail@web12203.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 18:59:41 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Davies Subject: Vortex - Jumpers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings all, I popped open the cover of my Vortex just now and noticed that there a couple of jumpers labeled W1 and W2 on the circuit board near the display. Does anyone with Vortex schematics know what these jumpers control ? Any interesting tweakability there ?? Thanks, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 1 22:30:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08789; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 22:26:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 22:26:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004601c0a2c8$d7706480$5d597018@flfrd1.on.wave.home.com> From: "Fabio Katz" To: References: <200103020215.SAA08527@proxy4.ba.best.com> Subject: Re: EDP input/output gain & distortion problems Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 22:28:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0043_01C0A29E.EE806BE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C0A29E.EE806BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: EDP input/output gain & distortion problemsThanks for the responses! In the meantime I opened the old unit and tried it again and of course = it worked fine. I hesitated but finally put it back in the case and it = still works fine. ??? I'm happy it works, just a bit nervous because I don't understand what = happened, and whether it may happen again. Fabio ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Allan Hoeltje=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 9:21 PM Subject: Re: EDP input/output gain & distortion problems I have a similar situation with a twist. I bought an EDP from the = first Gibson batch (group buy from Alto). I upgraded the RAM to the max = and it works fine. I bought a second Gibson EDP (the second group buy = from Alto) but this one is slightly different from the first one. The newer one came with the maximum RAM - a nice feature. The on/off = switch is reversed - I can get used to that. But the real anoying = difference is the input/output gain is much different between the two = units. I can correct the gain problem by carefully adjusting the knobs = but it would be much nicer if the units were better matched. Thankfully, I have not noticed any distortion in either unit. -Allan ---------- From: "Fabio Katz" To: Subject: EDP input/output gain & distortion problems Date: Thu, Mar 1, 2001, 3:15 PM Hi loopers, =20 I've had an Echoplex for more than 4 years, and I have recently = bought a brand new one to loop in stereo. I upgraded the software in my old unit to Loop III 5.0 and both work = together like a charm. The only problem was the difference in input/output gain between the = two EDPs, so I did the mod on my old one as explained in the FAQ =20 http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ6.html#dist =20 Now I can set the knobs in both units to almost the same position = for balanced stereo looping, but... =20 the old unit after the mod sounds distorted, even before the LED = goes orange. =20 I was careful to replace the right resistors with the correct = values. Only difference is that I got 2%, not 1% resistors in town. =20 Is it possible that the mod may not work correctly on some units? =20 What else could have gone wrong? =20 In order to undo the mod I need to buy new resistors (our cat hid = them), in that case I would need to confirm the values of the original = resistors. =20 Thanks for your help! =20 Fabio Katz Stick and Loops http://www.geocities.com/fabiokatz http://www.mp3.com/fabiokatz =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C0A29E.EE806BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: EDP input/output gain & distortion = problems
Thanks for the responses!
 
In the meantime I opened the old unit = and tried it=20 again and of course it worked fine.  I hesitated but finally put it = back in=20 the case and it still works fine.
 
???
 
I'm happy it works, just a bit nervous = because I=20 don't understand what happened, and whether it may happen = again.
 
Fabio
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Allan = Hoeltje=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 = 9:21=20 PM
Subject: Re: EDP input/output = gain &=20 distortion problems

I have a similar situation with a twist.  I bought = an EDP=20 from the first Gibson batch (group buy from Alto).  I upgraded = the RAM to=20 the max and it works fine.  I bought a second Gibson EDP (the = second=20 group buy from Alto) but this one is slightly different from the first = one.

The newer one came with the maximum RAM - a nice feature.=20  The on/off switch is reversed - I can get used to that. =  But the=20 real anoying difference is the input/output gain is much different = between the=20 two units.  I can correct the gain problem by carefully adjusting = the=20 knobs but it would be much nicer if the units were better=20 matched.

Thankfully, I have not noticed any distortion in = either=20 unit.

-Allan

----------
From: "Fabio Katz"=20 <fabiok@home.com>
To:=20 <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Subject: EDP = input/output gain=20 & distortion problems
Date: Thu, Mar 1, 2001, 3:15 = PM


Hi=20 loopers,
 
I've had=20 an Echoplex for more than 4 years, and I have recently bought a = brand new=20 one to loop in stereo.
I upgraded the software in my old unit to = Loop III=20 5.0 and both work together like a charm.
The only problem was the = difference in input/output gain between the two EDPs, so I did the = mod on my=20 old one as explained in the FAQ
 
    http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ6.htm= l#dist
 
Now I can set the knobs in both units to = almost the=20 same position for balanced stereo looping,=20 but...
 
the old unit=20 after the mod sounds distorted, even before the LED goes=20 orange.
 
I was=20 careful to replace the right resistors with the correct values. =  Only=20 difference is that I got 2%, not 1% resistors in=20 town.
 
Is it=20 possible that the mod may not work correctly on some=20 units?
 
What else=20 could have gone wrong?
 
In order to undo the mod I need to buy new resistors = (our cat hid=20 them), in that case I would need to confirm the values of the = original=20 resistors.
 
Thanks=20 for your help!
 
Fabio Katz
Stick and Loops
http://www.geocities.com/fabiokatz
http://www.mp3.c= om/fabiokatz
 

------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C0A29E.EE806BE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 00:30:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA11728; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 00:27:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 00:27:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010302052644.43366.qmail@web12814.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 21:26:44 -0800 (PST) From: rayographique Subject: Re: Sound Card question To: "Stephen P. Goodman" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002e01c0a2aa$3d2440e0$0201a8c0@stephen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am v. happy with mine as well. It works across the windows 'family' but gives me a tad of trouble in linux-land with aRTs, but will be supported soon - if not already. Cheapest quality digi IO i know of. Tapeheads insist that it resamples everything at 48khz, but I haven't had any audible problems. as to the choice of OS - do you mind lockups and freezes? if you do, then 2000 is your friend d --- "Stephen P. Goodman" wrote: > I can recommend the SBLive card. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 03:17:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA15228; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 03:15:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 03:15:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 00:11:24 -0800 From: Catharsis Subject: Introduction (long) X-Sender: catharsis@tyranny.egregious.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4.2.0.58.20010220132626.0094acf0@tyranny.egregious.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >There were so many people in their early to mid-'20s at the gig who were COMPLETELY into the show, and I can't imagine that many of them had a serious history of "out" >listening (though I could be wrong, certainly). Any thoughts on this? This turned out longer than I thought it would. I will probably rewrite this for a bio on my web page! Sorry if this is off topic; I am just trying to find some context in an irrational world. You guys got the first draft.. ;) Well, I just joined the list a week ago in time to catch the "out" thread which surprised me! I usually don't post quickly, but this list is on target to where I want to be going and how could I not with the "out" thread. I will give a detailed description of my background (only because I think I might find context on this list; I am an alien to my peers). I explain my situation as being one of a new generation that grew up with a computer since day one. IE My family purchased a Tandy Model I in 1980 and since then I had access to computers. I am 22 and have been a guitarist for 16 years. I mainly had a collection of instrumental artists (Satriani, Johnson, Vai, etc.) until I started seriously programming in C in '92 and got online around the same time (spent $400 of summer money on a used 14.4 USR Robotics HST; 2-3 years before v.32bis became cheap and affordable). By '94 I came in contact with electronic oriented genres and actually my first "out" purchase was the Swans -- Greed.. This was a shock for sure at 16 coming from a fundamental family/world view; I'm a fine and "well adjusted" now; sort of! ;) Joy Division, Coil, Death In June, Dead Can Dance. 80's/ early 90's EBM; Future Sound of London; IDM; all sorts of dance music whether it was trance or goa. I really had an industrial kick for a while; Skinny Puppy, 242, etc. later on all imported electro industrial. Electro industrial has really gone downhill in the last couple of years (IE most of it is like bad trance with a singer! Ack!). Funny thing is that although I was a closet guitar player; I never could afford a lot of equipment and had no means/knowledge to do any quality multitrack recording, so I was held up in that aspect. Lost many songs years ago! Mostly I created one continuos jamming experience. I guess I could explain. Oh, yeah moved from the San Francisco area to San Luis Obispo to attend Cal Poly for computer science in '96 (what a joke! Being that I was self taught for 4 years prior I hammered my first year here and completed my senior project the summer after my freshman year; http://www.egregious.net/~catharsis/spasm/; the rest has been formality and it is dragging on too long! IE I can barely stand any of the classes! I hate Cal Poly due to the lack of interdisciplinary opportunities; the fun stuff really occurs when you combine say computers and music!). I ran a monthly industrial club night from April '98 to April '99. Around mid 1998 I picked up turntables and put down the guitar (no resources to record!). No one DJ/mixed in this area at the time although there was a small rave scene that lasted for nine months in 1996/97 (one of the DJs; Morgan; is getting big in the SF area now; though he is all cheese and certainly not the "pioneer" that he claims to be). Amazingly SLOs record stores have remained untouched and not rummaged through like SF in the late 80's early 90's. I was absolutely shocked one day when I went up to the loft in one of the stores and where I uncovered approximately 300-400 pristine copies (and double copies) of now obscure 80's EBM. Not only that.. stuff like Klaus Schulze, Jean Michel Jarr (all his records in pristine condition), I still need to go rummage around some more and see if I can find anything crazy like Stockhausen, etc. I was never into Nine Inch Nails, but for example the Pretty Hate Machine 12" and the single Sin were just sitting there factory sealed for $7 and $5 respectively (I would like to see what Ebay would fetch for those two!). At this time the monthly club I was running was coming to a halt as my group of friends (the _other_ 3 or 4 old school goth/industrial folks in the area graduated and moved back to SF or LA). I met another programmer/student early in '99 that was into electronic music (the rave side of things). He was from Sacramento. We met at the college radio station and trained in the same quarter. So, I started DJing a lot of trance, tried out drum and bass, a little goa, tried to mix industrial (and gave up on it at the time), picked up on London acid techno (couldn't really get a grasp on DJing it). I always had a little techno (the real genre) on CD (mainly prototype 909/Jammin' Unit. I never got into mixing techno as I did not understand it. Sure I could mix trance like no other (song to song; clean mixes; a little overlap and melodic counterpoint), but techno was so repetitive and confusing. We scored an electronic mix show over the summer and that continued for a year until the station cancelled it because they are blind conformist indie rockers (90% of Cal Poly is frat/sorority material; 72% of the county voted for Bush; need I say more?). We actually pulled off a rave with lasers and a 5000 watt sound system at Cal Poly fall of '99. That went marginally well; we lost $500 on it. A couple new faces showed up in SLO that liked electronic music so we formed a little group around the radio show. Also during the fall of '99 a record store in SLO liquidated their vinyl stock and I stumbled on the techno section... 200 techno records from '94 to '98; for $2 each; I talked them down to $1.50 and could afford 50 of them wished I could buy them all.. Man... Some cool stuff.. Still did not know how to DJ it. I took some time off of college to work and between the both of us we were able to buy a Cerwin Vega Intense sound system. We both already owned tables and I had a good DJ mixer (Pioneer DJM 500); he has a DJM 600 now; has a small sampler which is fun for looping (yeah I'm on topic now!) ;) I bought a Mackie 1642 and Mackie SRM 450 monitors along with splitting the rest of the system with him. This was my first experience at actually having some studio equipment. Unfortunately, the SRM 450s are great for live gigs, but not great for studio work at lower volumes! I also have to tear out my mixer and destroy my studio weekly and whenever else we use the sound system due to needing the 1642 for the live rig. Grrr... This is frustrating! Once we pay off the system though the collective will buy the 1642 and I will be able to upgrade to an Allen & Heath 14:4:2. Anyway, we decided to take a risk (one of the biggest I have taken) and buy this sound system without even knowing if we could start a dance music scene (rave; or whatever you want to call it; I am involved with dance music because I can pay for equipment; and it is fun!). We started a weekly club called Bad Monkey January 2000 and it was an astounding success as no one else (collective or otherwise) on the central coast was doing a weekly electronic event. Unlike the metropolitan area dance music scenes which turned into over blown for profit ventures around '95 we kept it more to the foundation of that movement. Bad Monkey is a non-profit community club where we charge $3 and $5 regardless of the size of the guest DJ (we had to break this once with when hosting a really big DJ that would not work with our budget). We are the only club night in town that will pay local DJs a decent wage ($50/hour; anywhere else it is $10/hour); out of towners more of course depending on ability. We still are paying off the sound system after 70 events, but it should be paid off by May through artistic means alone; this feels good; though my back is broken from moving it around weekly! We do not promote drugs and we certainly do not look towards SF or LA to define our electronic music culture as it is blown out and commercial. SLO is weird... Although things were great for the first 6 months average attendance has dropped to 150 (peak nights still get to 300, but that is rare as we are all students; except for me currently; and don't have time to constantly promote) and that does not give us a lot to work with after we cover operating/maintenance expenses. The club has been the best thing in my life and the hardest since it is thrown together by a rag tag group of young adults (kids if you must) who come from all sorts of musical backgrounds (actually, mainly a lack thereof). We don't get along, but are forced to due to the area. My perspective on how to deal with people has grown tremendously with this experience. I am also the oldest along with my partner Greg who is 23 in this areas electronic music scene. Musically it has been awesome and very rewarding. I have had the gear and venue to learn how to perform live (develop the ear). We got in contact (random email) with a Canadian booking agent/promoter on the third week of running the club and secured our first big performance from the international DJ/producer Chris Liberator (London acid techno) on the sixth week (just happens he was in LA and needed a Wednesday night gig). We had 300 people "off their tits" as they would say in the UK that night. Not on drugs, but the music. Liberator decimated all of us (http://badmonkey.egregious.net/pictures/picture.cgi?pict=2_23_00/2_23_00_14 ). He performed a set that technically blew us away. He did things that I just was beginning to conceive of yet had no guts or ability to try in regard to mixing. He was a techno DJ.. I studied the DAT religiously for the next month; now techno is my preferred genre and style to DJ actually there is no going back... IE there are no rules; the music is minimal; the DJ must make it interesting via mixing and abusing the mixer (looping anyone?). Liberator told all of his friends about the place and we hosted a total of 5 UK producers in the first 6 months of last year. Another UK producer we hosted was DDR. He performed a live PA with a 909, 303, sampler (S3000), and Mackie 1604 mixing board. It astounded and fascinated me. He came back up the next month (was in LA for a while) for another UK performers date (Gizelle; first US appearance) and I was able to question him on his live PA. I figured out that he was using the 909 as a sequencer and for a couple of its drum sounds. When I mentioned this a smile came over his face and we started to talk tech. Wow.. The UK guys really helped me get a foothold on electronic production as I can ask them questions and they will get back to me. They also helped me to gain a more global view of music and life in general (politics/society). So, I basically have taken the whole last year off of college to run the club night (attending school minimally to not have to file for a leave of absence; I pulled some strings that is for sure; that is another story though)! I did some computer contracting last spring that allowed me to buy an Akai S6000 around April. I was able to borrow a Novation Supernova (don't have this guy anymore) and also an Alpha Juno 2 w/ pg300. I had enough money to not work all summer (took a couple of classes during the fall; heh heh). I also bought Curtis Roads Computer Music Tutorial along with a couple of other academic books last April; this was my first introduction to computer music/producing/recording. I quickly got up to speed on some of the latest electronic music once I figured out the concept of microsound (www.microsound.org). I'm just pissed that I can't afford a Mac to have access to Max/MSP (Make the damn port Kit!) and Supercollider. All of this combined with the Internet (been culture jamming for years) allowed me to "drop out"... I have been able to contract off an on for short periods of time and spend the rest of my time working with my studio and DJing. I am spending a large part of my time with the up front logical side of building a studio and learning the ropes/tools before digging too deep into the creative aspect (my process has drastically changed in the last month let alone the next month!). Recent acquisitions are a Pod Pro, RNC 1773, Nuendo w/Waves plugins, ADAT board for my sampler, RME Hammerfall, Emagic Logic. I hope to get a Fernandez Sustainer (guitar), the new Sherman filter, Aardvark Q10, Mackie 824s in the next month. I am picking back up the guitar as I now have the means to record myself! Recently I have become aware of the very small microtonal community via the book Harmonic Experience by WA Mathieu and the alternate tuning list. I have not formally studied any music theory and I am having a rough time, but I am approaching it from a unique angle (for me); just intonation. So much of it is over my head by miles not feet.. :( IE non 12 TET. I am currently having a good time reading African Rhythm and African Sensibility by John Miller Chernoff. I also subscribe to Computer Music Journal and I received the latest issue last week. It came with a sample CD and when I flipped it over I was amazed at the content I saw. There were tracks from Coil, Taylor Deupree (ex Prototype 909), Thomas Brinkmann, Kim Cascone; among many other familiar commercial microsound artists. The forward from Joel Chadabe is great and first article from Kim Cascone amazed me as well. Kim Cascone, 'The Aesthetics of Failure: 'Post-Digital' Tendencies in Contemporary Computer Music', Computer Music Journal, 24:4 (2000), pp. 12-18 I contacted MIT Press to reprint it, but instead they put it online as a sample: http://mitpress.mit.edu/journals/COMJ/sample-article.html It closely matches and complements what I will call my aesthetic of imperfection. techno DJing and live performance is wacky after all.. Of course none of my ideas are new; just recycled due to isolation. I'm sure a lot of the looping community thrives on an aesthetic of imperfection. Anyway, this article sums up why I started with electronic music; it is common knowledge to me, but maybe not to most. I am amazed that the academic community is recognizing the commercial sector (actually it is about time)! Who knows maybe the commercial sector will pull ahead of academic circles for computer music. It has happened in practically every other computer related industry. One just has to look at CSound and realize that it will be quite an arduous task to modernize it with a majority of that communities consent. Oh yeah, I'm going to finish my undergrad in this upcoming year and get on with it. Actually I just enrolled in one of the only music courses I am interested in at Poly -- synthesis (there used to be a class called acoustic communication which covered non 12 tet tunings among other things, but it was cancelled because the students could grasp it; duh! I guess). I probably have already covered the ground that this class will focus on, but I'll keep an open mind. I'm just taking it to get as much time as possible on the fully loaded Kyma system Poly has in order to do some massive sound design. Heh heh... ;) All this has really given me an interesting perspective on life in America (economics/culture/politics/foreign policy/philosophy). My eyes are wide open.... Regardless of what I know I realize how little I really do truly understand. I bet I could learn some amazing things from participants of this list. So, I am crazy, right? ;) My peer group thinks so... When I open my mouth their eyes glaze over.. It sucks; really! I won't keep yabbering though. This list is about looping; can't wait for the repeater group buy! Glad to meet all of you! --Mike (Catharsis) PS: my web site has some DJ sets up online; I hope to finish some music soon, but I am taking my time as the exploration is just beginning! Egregious "Spiritual renewal through music for those outside the heard." http://www.egregious.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 04:24:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA16513; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 04:22:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 04:22:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007501c0a2fa$0fdc6680$6882e3a5@daw> From: "Rick Walker" To: "Loopers Delight" References: <002e01c0a2aa$3d2440e0$0201a8c0@stephen> Subject: Re: Sound Card question and More questions about Bill Gates Ugly Ungainly Babies Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 01:20:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0071_01C0A2B6.FF7E78C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C0A2B6.FF7E78C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't know about you guys, but I have a formula for dealing with = Windows. Everytime they put out a new Operating System, I think it takes about 2 = solid years before they work out all the kinks. Consequently, I just don't trust Windows 2000 = and still use Win 98. I have just downloaded their newest versions of Windows Media Player (v = 7.0) and Outlook Express and they are buggy as hell!!!! Speaking of that devil, what media players = do people recommend? Windows Media Player, two versions ago, would play .wav files as loops, = seemlessly, whereas, so far the last two versions and WINAMP, as well, = will not loop seemlessly.........there's always a gap at the = end.........so annoying to=20 a dedicated loopist. What do you guys say? One last question, there is a plugin for ProTools called=20 'Pitch and Time' which, apparently, enables one to go in and stretch = individual transients so that loops can be made to conform to new rhythms or new rhythmic feels. Yes, it can be done with ReCycle, but it is a collosal pain in the rear. = This plugin seems not to work with the free ProTools version for PC. Does anyone know of either a DX, a VST or a stand alone program that = exists that will do what Pitch and Time can do? Doesn anyone have much experience with Pitch and Time itself.......It = sounds fantastic. And does anyone know when Pluggo is going to be ported to the PC side of = the universe (I know, I know.........all my Mac friends are laughing at = me now!!!!!!) Thanks for any help I recieve in advance. Rick Walker (loop.pool) ------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C0A2B6.FF7E78C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I don't know about you = guys, but I=20 have a formula for dealing with Windows.
Everytime they put out = a new=20 Operating System, I think it takes about 2 solid years before = they
work out all the=20 kinks.    Consequently, I just don't trust Windows 2000 = and still=20 use Win 98.
 
I have just downloaded = their newest=20 versions of Windows Media Player (v 7.0) and Outlook Express and=20 they
are buggy as=20 hell!!!!     Speaking of that devil,   = what media=20 players do people recommend?
Windows Media Player, = two versions=20 ago, would play .wav files as loops, seemlessly, whereas, so far the = last two=20 versions and WINAMP, as well,  will not loop = seemlessly.........there's=20 always a gap at the end.........so annoying to
a dedicated = loopist.
 
What do you guys = say?
 
One last=20 question,     there is a plugin for ProTools called=20
'Pitch and Time' which, = apparently,=20 enables one to go in and stretch individual transients so that loops can = be made=20 to
conform to new rhythms = or new=20 rhythmic feels.
Yes, it can be done = with ReCycle, but=20 it is a collosal pain in the rear.     This plugin = seems not=20 to work with the free ProTools version for PC.
 
Does anyone know of = either a DX, a=20 VST or a stand alone program that exists that will do what Pitch and = Time can=20 do?
Doesn anyone have much = experience=20 with Pitch and Time itself.......It sounds fantastic.
 
And does anyone know = when Pluggo is=20 going to be ported to the PC side of the universe (I know, I = know.........all my=20 Mac friends are laughing at me now!!!!!!)
 
Thanks for any help I = recieve in=20 advance.
 
Rick Walker   = (loop.pool)
------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C0A2B6.FF7E78C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 04:42:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA16897; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 04:39:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 04:39:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007601c0a2fc$7ae721c0$6882e3a5@daw> From: "Rick Walker" To: References: <200103020817.DAA15295@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: A Call to Arms: The First Annual Santa Cruz VOICE + ELECTRONICS FESTIVAL Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 01:38:03 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I almost forgot: I am producing another free festival (" from now on, it's a free festival...................and please don't eat the brown acid") called the First Annual Santa Cruz VOICE + ELECTRONICS FESTIVAL at the RIO THEATRE sometime in the end of April, beginning of May (the date is not set yet). The festival will pair Acapella Vocalists with Electronics processing artists as well as Vocal Only Looping groups or individuals. I will be debuting a new project called TROIS VOIX with trained opera singer, Amy Escalere and improvising vocalist extraordinaire, Pipa Pinon (who has a beautiful new trip hop record out called 'DREAMBEACH').......we will have some very fun audience participation pieces for vocals. Chanteuse, Nancy LeVan (and processor, Bill Walker), John Woolsey (from the very eclectic, talented and crazy Estrasphere) and several others will be participating as well. The performance is free to the public.........the theater and sound system, free to the artists..........the artists, free to the gig..............no money at all....... but the artists can sell CDs at the show!!!! The lineup is close to sewn up but I am calling for both performance and recorded musical submissions in the form of CDs, Minidiscs, Vinyl, Dats (I'd rather not because I have to borrow a DAT player, but I will) and/or cassettes of people working with this limited but wonderful palette....................NO INSTRUMENTS..........period! point! dot! Only Voice and Processing (it doesn't matter how freaky). I will be doing radio interviews and will play the best stuff I recieve at these interviews as well as between acts at the performance. I will read a short prepared statement by anyone who submits, introducing them to the concert goers. Anyone who was involved with the First Solo Bass Looping Festival we had a couple of months ago knows that this is a special place to hold creative events and that the people of Santa Cruz are, for the most part, very creative, supportive and knowledgeable about new music. My snail mail address is: VOICE + ELECTRONICS 412 Darwin Street Santa Cruz, California 95062-2629 I won't have the time or the dough to return submissions, so consider them tithes to the creative spirit. Thanks, I look forward to hearing what you guys and gals have been doing, vocally and loopingly. loopingly yours, Rick Walker (Loop.pooL) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 04:51:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA17164; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 04:48:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 04:48:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009901c0a2fd$be081440$6882e3a5@daw> From: "Rick Walker" To: References: <200103020007.TAA03469@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: DEFINITIVE SOUND CARD ADVICE Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 01:46:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Check out this site. Arny Krueger put this up and did all of the state of the art testing as a service to all of us. He is a genius, a warm and generous person and should be up for a Loopers Delight Sainthood Award for Tech Support. http://www.pcavtech.com/ yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 05:06:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA17933; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 05:04:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 05:04:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c0a300$17f789c0$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <002e01c0a2aa$3d2440e0$0201a8c0@stephen> <007501c0a2fa$0fdc6680$6882e3a5@daw> Subject: Re: Sound Card question and More questions about Bill Gates Ugly Ungainly Babies Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:03:28 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C0A300.07872A00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C0A300.07872A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rick Walker put forth: >I have just downloaded their newest versions of Windows Media Player (v = 7.0) and Outlook Express and they are buggy as hell!!!! Speaking of that devil, what media players = do people recommend? Windows Media Player, two versions ago, would play .wav files as loops, = seemlessly, whereas, so far the last two versions and WINAMP, as well, = will not loop seemlessly.........there's always a gap at the = end.........so annoying to=20 a dedicated loopist.< You're so right on the loop aspect! I had to create an encapsulated = player for the Loop of the Week, because the pre-5.0 Media Player had = the gap TOO. It put me into apoplexy to see what I consider a = regression bug happen like that - especially since I have an 8kHz mono = sample of the Loop of the Week that's supposed to play through it! For Media Player I don't use 7.0 - it's the pits, and frankly stinks of = the same crappy programming or compositing that made Outlook what it is = today. If Microsoft didn't know this they wouldn't make the 6.4 media = player available. Download it from = http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/en/download/default.asp - = be sure to select the "6.4 for Windows95" since 7.0 is also downloadable = from this place. It works FINE with 98/98se. Before you install 6.4 though you have to uninstall 7. Since the 7.0 = install is codec-dependent, the uninstall for 7 pulls out codecs as = well. It will be necessary to reinstall your audio and video codecs via = Add/Remove Programs - Windows Setup. Just deselect and reselect them, = and let the installation happen - then install the 6.4 player. I know = this seems like a lot, but part of the bits of Media Player 7 that we = hate have to do with the codecs. They just take a few moments to = install. My player of choice is WinAmp, except for looping. When I'm editing = it's Cool Edit Pro, which does REAL looping well. >Does anyone know of either a DX, a VST or a stand alone program that = exists that will do what Pitch and Time can do? Doesn anyone have much experience with Pitch and Time itself.......It = sounds fantastic.< I know this is possible using Cool Edit Pro, I believe it's also = available in the trial version of Cool Edit. One can stretch while = preserving pitch, lower or raise pitch while preserving tempo, or find = beats / cues in a given selection. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery.html - Online Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C0A300.07872A00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Rick = Walker=20 put forth:
 
>I have just = downloaded their=20 newest versions of Windows Media Player (v 7.0) and Outlook Express and=20 they
are buggy as=20 hell!!!!     Speaking of that devil,   = what media=20 players do people recommend?
Windows Media Player, = two versions=20 ago, would play .wav files as loops, seemlessly, whereas, so far the = last two=20 versions and WINAMP, as well,  will not loop = seemlessly.........there's=20 always a gap at the end.........so annoying to
a dedicated = loopist.<
 
You're so right on the loop = aspect!  I had to=20 create an encapsulated player for the Loop of the Week, because the = pre-5.0=20 Media Player had the gap TOO.  It put me into apoplexy to see what = I=20 consider a regression bug happen like that - especially since I have an = 8kHz=20 mono sample of the Loop of the Week that's supposed to play through=20 it!
 
For Media Player I don't use 7.0 - it's = the pits,=20 and frankly stinks of the same crappy programming or compositing that = made=20 Outlook what it is today.  If Microsoft didn't know this they = wouldn't make=20 the 6.4 media player available.  Download it from http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/en/download/default.a= sp -=20 be sure to select the "6.4 for Windows95" since 7.0 is also = downloadable=20 from this place.  It works FINE with 98/98se.
 
Before you install 6.4 though you have = to uninstall=20 7.  Since the 7.0 install is codec-dependent, the uninstall for 7 = pulls out=20 codecs as well.  It will be necessary to reinstall your audio and = video=20 codecs via Add/Remove Programs - Windows Setup.  Just deselect and = reselect=20 them, and let the installation happen - then install the 6.4 = player.  I=20 know this seems like a lot, but part of the bits of Media Player 7 that = we hate=20 have to do with the codecs.  They just take a few moments to=20 install.
 
My player of choice is WinAmp, except = for=20 looping.  When I'm editing it's Cool Edit Pro, which does REAL = looping=20 well.
 
>Does anyone know of = either a DX,=20 a VST or a stand alone program that exists that will do what Pitch and = Time can=20 do?
Doesn anyone have much = experience=20 with Pitch and Time itself.......It sounds fantastic.<
 
I know this is possible using Cool Edit = Pro, I=20 believe it's also available in the trial version of Cool Edit.  One = can=20 stretch while preserving pitch, lower or raise pitch while preserving = tempo, or=20 find beats / cues in a given selection.
 
Stephen Goodman
http://www.earthlight.net= /Gallery.html=20 - Online Cartoons & Illustrations
http://www.earthlight.net/Stud= ios *=20 The free Loop of the Week!
http://www.mp3.com/StephenGood= man *=20 New MP3 Releases!
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C0A300.07872A00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 07:13:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA20266; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 07:12:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 07:12:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d201c0a312$295eee80$492cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <7f.10d175ef.27cfd9a3@aol.com> Subject: Re: fdbk control/dt goes astray, again..... Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:03:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>>As GAry has quoted me saying, >I'm not planning on adding anything new to my setup til I'm completely >conversant with what I've got - I'd rather hear >someone playing with an 8 second JamMan that they knew inside out, than >looping clumsily with 14 EDPs or Repeaters all linked >up, as I'm sure any of us would. dig; i think i understand that noble sentiment. but, i'd hope that the application, thereof, is not too broadly painted..... (for myself, 'tis true that i'd mostly rather hear a musician capable of playing a piece of music that moves me w/just one note & simple 'gear', than any expressively-disconnected fleet-fingered 'virtuoso' w/racks and racks of unused-and-potentially-misunderstood electro-goo..... i do wonder why we musicians seem so often intent on finding & furthering these kindsa polarising concepts, all the time, though?)<<<< As usual, Mr Torn, your post is the voice of reason in the midst of much rambling. I guess I was employing hyperbole to make a point - those are polarised extremes, but they represent in fewer words the dichotomy of gear vs music, than a much more subtle and wordy explaination of my own journey would have done... As it is, terms like 'completely conversant' and the differentiation between the extremes stated above are completely nebulous. As music is more art than science, at the bottom line, there's no such thing as complete conversancy, but I guess the point was to do with being in control... but then control can also mean opening yourself to the possibilities of randomness... ...I guess there's a point where art transcends gear completely - a great musician is going to make the strangest most complicated set up work for them by applying their creativity to the perceived strengths of the set-up rather than trying to make one box do the work of another... now I'm rambling - suffice to say, you and I are talking the same language, but I've got two sets of material to learn in the next three hours, so don't have the time to expound such concepts. Thankyou for clarifying and questioning my flawed presentation! :o) Steve web-site - www.steve-lawson.co.uk e-mail - steve@steve-lawson.co.uk mailing list - steve-lawson-subscribe@listbot.com "Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight, You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight" - Bruce Cockburn March 2nd - David Friesen live in London, supported by me. gig at 8pm, jazz workshop at 2pm - see www.solobassnetwork.org.uk for more info. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 07:23:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA20538; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 07:17:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 07:17:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00fc01c0a312$f6f89940$492cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" References: <007601c0a2fc$7ae721c0$6882e3a5@daw> Subject: Re: A Call to Arms: The First Annual Santa Cruz VOICE + ELECTRONICS FESTIVAL Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:18:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>Anyone who was involved with the First Solo Bass Looping Festival we had a couple of months ago knows that this is a special place to hold creative events and that the people of Santa Cruz are, for the most part, very creative, supportive and knowledgeable about new music.<<< Rick, if you do too many more of these cool events, I may have to look seriously at moving to Santa Cruz, just for the inspiration - I'm sure it'll be a fantastic night. Wish I could be there Steve web-site - www.steve-lawson.co.uk e-mail - steve@steve-lawson.co.uk mailing list - steve-lawson-subscribe@listbot.com "Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight, You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight" - Bruce Cockburn March 2nd - David Friesen live in London, supported by me. gig at 8pm, jazz workshop at 2pm - see www.solobassnetwork.org.uk for more info. (that's tonight, if you fancy coming) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 10:12:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24366; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:10:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:10:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <18.98d9b0a.27d1116c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:08:28 EST Subject: Re: fdbk control/dt goes astray, again..... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes: >I guess I was employing hyperbole to make a point - those are polarised >extremes, but they represent in fewer words the >dichotomy of gear vs music, than a much more subtle and wordy explaination >of my own journey would have done... dig, dug, dag. >As it is, terms like 'completely conversant' and the differentiation between >the extremes stated above are completely >nebulous. As music is more art than science, at the bottom line, there's >no such thing as complete conversancy, but I guess >the point was to do with being in control... but then control can also >mean opening yourself to the possibilities of >randomness... .....and remaining 'open' enough to 'guide' the possibilities, maybe? >...I guess there's a point where art transcends gear completely ach, may that moment arrive sooner, rather than later! ;-) >- a great musician is going to make the strangest most >complicated set up work for them by applying their creativity >to the perceived strengths of the set-up ---or, the perceived *weaknesses*, maybe..... >rather than trying to >make one box do the work of another... >now I'm rambling - suffice to say, you and I are talking the same language, !no doubt! >but I've got two sets of material to learn in the >next three hours, so don't have the time to expound such concepts. Thankyou >for clarifying and questioning my flawed >presentation! :o) as i think you know, steve, i like to ask questions, is all..... and there seem to be so many to ask, these days!!! 8-) much respect. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 10:31:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24863; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:29:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:29:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.165.24.24] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Introduction (long) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 15:28:01 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Mar 2001 15:28:01.0704 (UTC) FILETIME=[5E488280:01C0A32D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi...just read your (lengthy) bio post on Looper's Delight. Sounds very interesting from a number of fronts. I am a bassist/looper, and I use sound treatments of the bass as my principle texture (in a very eno-esque sort of way). As of late I have been concerning myself with the acoustic bass, and treatments thereof, but had previously "dabbled" into the techno/dance/DnB styles using processed bass/bass loops and multiple drum loops. Your experience, creative and computer, sounds fascinating. I am writing you because I live in Tehachapi (in the mountains SE of Bakersfield) and come to SLO often (in fact will be there this weekend), and as an electronica/looping performer composer am always on the prowl for venues to play....and for possible collaborators. I have performed at several of the Northern California Festivals of Emerging Electronica, and the recent Solo Bass Looping Festival. I am very interested in what you are doing over there as far as the electronica/dance culture goes. Sounds as tho you might be creating a meld of the intellectual and viscereal.... I would like to open communications with you concerning A) possible collaborations between your computer-based electronica and my own bass-derived sonic manipulations. As a composer (several film scores/commercials) I am always eager for true collaborations...it seems to bring out my best. B) the possibility of performing in SLO soon and re-indulging my interest in loop-based dance music. C) My colleague Rick Walker (Loop.pooL) ...a freq. contributor to Looper's Delight and promoter of many NorCal Looping events, as well as a world class percussionist and outstanding electronica artist and producer...a planning a small (california) LoopFest Tour and would like to put SLO in that itinerary. Perhaps you can help us out there. Previous Looping Festivals have been quite succesful (and fun). Please e-mail me if you are open to any of these ideas. Thanks for your time and consideration...Max Valentino >From: Catharsis >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Introduction (long) >Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 00:11:24 -0800 > > >There were so many people in their early to mid-'20s at the gig who were >COMPLETELY into the show, and I can't imagine that many of them had a >serious history of "out" >listening (though I could be wrong, certainly). >Any thoughts on this? > >This turned out longer than I thought it would. I will probably rewrite >this for a bio on my web page! Sorry if this is off topic; I am just trying >to find some context in an irrational world. You guys got the first draft.. >;) > >Well, I just joined the list a week ago in time to catch the "out" thread >which surprised me! I usually don't post quickly, but this list is on >target to where I want to be going and how could I not with the "out" >thread. I will give a detailed description of my background (only because I >think I might find context on this list; I am an alien to my peers). I >explain my situation as being one of a new generation that grew up with a >computer since day one. IE My family purchased a Tandy Model I in 1980 and >since then I had access to computers. > >I am 22 and have been a guitarist for 16 years. I mainly had a collection >of instrumental artists (Satriani, Johnson, Vai, etc.) until I started >seriously programming in C in '92 and got online around the same time >(spent $400 of summer money on a used 14.4 USR Robotics HST; 2-3 years >before v.32bis became cheap and affordable). By '94 I came in contact with >electronic oriented genres and actually my first "out" purchase was the >Swans -- Greed.. This was a shock for sure at 16 coming from a fundamental >family/world view; I'm a fine and "well adjusted" now; sort of! ;) Joy >Division, Coil, Death In June, Dead Can Dance. 80's/ early 90's EBM; Future >Sound of London; IDM; all sorts of dance music whether it was trance or >goa. I really had an industrial kick for a while; Skinny Puppy, 242, etc. >later on all imported electro industrial. Electro industrial has really >gone downhill in the last couple of years (IE most of it is like bad trance >with a singer! Ack!). Funny thing is that although I was a closet guitar >player; I never could afford a lot of equipment and had no means/knowledge >to do any quality multitrack recording, so I was held up in that aspect. >Lost many songs years ago! Mostly I created one continuos jamming >experience. I guess I could explain. > >Oh, yeah moved from the San Francisco area to San Luis Obispo to attend Cal >Poly for computer science in '96 (what a joke! Being that I was self taught >for 4 years prior I hammered my first year here and completed my senior >project the summer after my freshman year; >http://www.egregious.net/~catharsis/spasm/; the rest has been formality and >it is dragging on too long! IE I can barely stand any of the classes! I >hate Cal Poly due to the lack of interdisciplinary opportunities; the fun >stuff really occurs when you combine say computers and music!). > >I ran a monthly industrial club night from April '98 to April '99. Around >mid 1998 I picked up turntables and put down the guitar (no resources to >record!). No one DJ/mixed in this area at the time although there was a >small rave scene that lasted for nine months in 1996/97 (one of the DJs; >Morgan; is getting big in the SF area now; though he is all cheese and >certainly not the "pioneer" that he claims to be). Amazingly SLOs record >stores have remained untouched and not rummaged through like SF in the late >80's early 90's. I was absolutely shocked one day when I went up to the >loft in one of the stores and where I uncovered approximately 300-400 >pristine copies (and double copies) of now obscure 80's EBM. Not only >that.. stuff like Klaus Schulze, Jean Michel Jarr (all his records in >pristine condition), I still need to go rummage around some more and see if >I can find anything crazy like Stockhausen, etc. I was never into Nine Inch >Nails, but for example the Pretty Hate Machine 12" and the single Sin were >just sitting there factory sealed for $7 and $5 respectively (I would like >to see what Ebay would fetch for those two!). > >At this time the monthly club I was running was coming to a halt as my >group of friends (the _other_ 3 or 4 old school goth/industrial folks in >the area graduated and moved back to SF or LA). I met another >programmer/student early in '99 that was into electronic music (the rave >side of things). He was from Sacramento. We met at the college radio >station and trained in the same quarter. So, I started DJing a lot of >trance, tried out drum and bass, a little goa, tried to mix industrial (and >gave up on it at the time), picked up on London acid techno (couldn't >really get a grasp on DJing it). I always had a little techno (the real >genre) on CD (mainly prototype 909/Jammin' Unit. I never got into mixing >techno as I did not understand it. Sure I could mix trance like no other >(song to song; clean mixes; a little overlap and melodic counterpoint), but >techno was so repetitive and confusing. We scored an electronic mix show >over the summer and that continued for a year until the station cancelled >it because they are blind conformist indie rockers (90% of Cal Poly is >frat/sorority material; 72% of the county voted for Bush; need I say >more?). We actually pulled off a rave with lasers and a 5000 watt sound >system at Cal Poly fall of '99. That went marginally well; we lost $500 on >it. A couple new faces showed up in SLO that liked electronic music so we >formed a little group around the radio show. Also during the fall of '99 a >record store in SLO liquidated their vinyl stock and I stumbled on the >techno section... 200 techno records from '94 to '98; for $2 each; I talked >them down to $1.50 and could afford 50 of them wished I could buy them >all.. Man... Some cool stuff.. Still did not know how to DJ it. > >I took some time off of college to work and between the both of us we were >able to buy a Cerwin Vega Intense sound system. We both already owned >tables and I had a good DJ mixer (Pioneer DJM 500); he has a DJM 600 now; >has a small sampler which is fun for looping (yeah I'm on topic now!) ;) I >bought a Mackie 1642 and Mackie SRM 450 monitors along with splitting the >rest of the system with him. This was my first experience at actually >having some studio equipment. Unfortunately, the SRM 450s are great for >live gigs, but not great for studio work at lower volumes! I also have to >tear out my mixer and destroy my studio weekly and whenever else we use the >sound system due to needing the 1642 for the live rig. Grrr... This is >frustrating! Once we pay off the system though the collective will buy the >1642 and I will be able to upgrade to an Allen & Heath 14:4:2. > >Anyway, we decided to take a risk (one of the biggest I have taken) and buy >this sound system without even knowing if we could start a dance music >scene (rave; or whatever you want to call it; I am involved with dance >music because I can pay for equipment; and it is fun!). We started a weekly >club called Bad Monkey January 2000 and it was an astounding success as no >one else (collective or otherwise) on the central coast was doing a weekly >electronic event. Unlike the metropolitan area dance music scenes which >turned into over blown for profit ventures around '95 we kept it more to >the foundation of that movement. Bad Monkey is a non-profit community club >where we charge $3 and $5 regardless of the size of the guest DJ (we had to >break this once with when hosting a really big DJ that would not work with >our budget). We are the only club night in town that will pay local DJs a >decent wage ($50/hour; anywhere else it is $10/hour); out of towners more >of course depending on ability. We still are paying off the sound system >after 70 events, but it should be paid off by May through artistic means >alone; this feels good; though my back is broken from moving it around >weekly! We do not promote drugs and we certainly do not look towards SF or >LA to define our electronic music culture as it is blown out and >commercial. SLO is weird... > >Although things were great for the first 6 months average attendance has >dropped to 150 (peak nights still get to 300, but that is rare as we are >all students; except for me currently; and don't have time to constantly >promote) and that does not give us a lot to work with after we cover >operating/maintenance expenses. The club has been the best thing in my life >and the hardest since it is thrown together by a rag tag group of young >adults (kids if you must) who come from all sorts of musical backgrounds >(actually, mainly a lack thereof). We don't get along, but are forced to >due to the area. My perspective on how to deal with people has grown >tremendously with this experience. I am also the oldest along with my >partner Greg who is 23 in this areas electronic music scene. > >Musically it has been awesome and very rewarding. I have had the gear and >venue to learn how to perform live (develop the ear). We got in contact >(random email) with a Canadian booking agent/promoter on the third week of >running the club and secured our first big performance from the >international DJ/producer Chris Liberator (London acid techno) on the sixth >week (just happens he was in LA and needed a Wednesday night gig). We had >300 people "off their tits" as they would say in the UK that night. Not on >drugs, but the music. Liberator decimated all of us >(http://badmonkey.egregious.net/pictures/picture.cgi?pict=2_23_00/2_23_00_14 >). He performed a set that technically blew us away. He did things that I >just was beginning to conceive of yet had no guts or ability to try in >regard to mixing. He was a techno DJ.. I studied the DAT religiously for >the next month; now techno is my preferred genre and style to DJ actually >there is no going back... IE there are no rules; the music is minimal; the >DJ must make it interesting via mixing and abusing the mixer (looping >anyone?). Liberator told all of his friends about the place and we hosted a >total of 5 UK producers in the first 6 months of last year. > >Another UK producer we hosted was DDR. He performed a live PA with a 909, >303, sampler (S3000), and Mackie 1604 mixing board. It astounded and >fascinated me. He came back up the next month (was in LA for a while) for >another UK performers date (Gizelle; first US appearance) and I was able to >question him on his live PA. I figured out that he was using the 909 as a >sequencer and for a couple of its drum sounds. When I mentioned this a >smile came over his face and we started to talk tech. Wow.. The UK guys >really helped me get a foothold on electronic production as I can ask them >questions and they will get back to me. They also helped me to gain a more >global view of music and life in general (politics/society). > >So, I basically have taken the whole last year off of college to run the >club night (attending school minimally to not have to file for a leave of >absence; I pulled some strings that is for sure; that is another story >though)! I did some computer contracting last spring that allowed me to buy >an Akai S6000 around April. I was able to borrow a Novation Supernova >(don't have this guy anymore) and also an Alpha Juno 2 w/ pg300. I had >enough money to not work all summer (took a couple of classes during the >fall; heh heh). I also bought Curtis Roads Computer Music Tutorial along >with a couple of other academic books last April; this was my first >introduction to computer music/producing/recording. I quickly got up to >speed on some of the latest electronic music once I figured out the concept >of microsound (www.microsound.org). I'm just pissed that I can't afford a >Mac to have access to Max/MSP (Make the damn port Kit!) and Supercollider. >All of this combined with the Internet (been culture jamming for years) >allowed me to "drop out"... I have been able to contract off an on for >short periods of time and spend the rest of my time working with my studio >and DJing. I am spending a large part of my time with the up front logical >side of building a studio and learning the ropes/tools before digging too >deep into the creative aspect (my process has drastically changed in the >last month let alone the next month!). Recent acquisitions are a Pod Pro, >RNC 1773, Nuendo w/Waves plugins, ADAT board for my sampler, RME >Hammerfall, Emagic Logic. I hope to get a Fernandez Sustainer (guitar), >the new Sherman filter, Aardvark Q10, Mackie 824s in the next month. I am >picking back up the guitar as I now have the means to record myself! > >Recently I have become aware of the very small microtonal community via the >book Harmonic Experience by WA Mathieu and the alternate tuning list. I >have not formally studied any music theory and I am having a rough time, >but I am approaching it from a unique angle (for me); just intonation. So >much of it is over my head by miles not feet.. :( IE non 12 TET. > >I am currently having a good time reading African Rhythm and African >Sensibility by John Miller Chernoff. > >I also subscribe to Computer Music Journal and I received the latest issue >last week. It came with a sample CD and when I flipped it over I was amazed >at the content I saw. There were tracks from Coil, Taylor Deupree (ex >Prototype 909), Thomas Brinkmann, Kim Cascone; among many other familiar >commercial microsound artists. The forward from Joel Chadabe is great and >first article from Kim Cascone amazed me as well. > >Kim Cascone, 'The Aesthetics of Failure: 'Post-Digital' Tendencies in >Contemporary Computer Music', Computer Music Journal, 24:4 (2000), pp. >12-18 > >I contacted MIT Press to reprint it, but instead they put it online as a >sample: >http://mitpress.mit.edu/journals/COMJ/sample-article.html > >It closely matches and complements what I will call my aesthetic of >imperfection. techno DJing and live performance is wacky after all.. Of >course none of my ideas are new; just recycled due to isolation. I'm sure a >lot of the looping community thrives on an aesthetic of imperfection. > >Anyway, this article sums up why I started with electronic music; it is >common knowledge to me, but maybe not to most. I am amazed that the >academic community is recognizing the commercial sector (actually it is >about time)! Who knows maybe the commercial sector will pull ahead of >academic circles for computer music. It has happened in practically every >other computer related industry. One just has to look at CSound and realize >that it will be quite an arduous task to modernize it with a majority of >that communities consent. > >Oh yeah, I'm going to finish my undergrad in this upcoming year and get on >with it. Actually I just enrolled in one of the only music courses I am >interested in at Poly -- synthesis (there used to be a class called >acoustic communication which covered non 12 tet tunings among other things, >but it was cancelled because the students could grasp it; duh! I guess). I >probably have already covered the ground that this class will focus on, but >I'll keep an open mind. I'm just taking it to get as much time as possible >on the fully loaded Kyma system Poly has in order to do some massive sound >design. Heh heh... ;) > >All this has really given me an interesting perspective on life in America >(economics/culture/politics/foreign policy/philosophy). > >My eyes are wide open.... Regardless of what I know I realize how little I >really do truly understand. I bet I could learn some amazing things from >participants of this list. > >So, I am crazy, right? ;) My peer group thinks so... When I open my mouth >their eyes glaze over.. It sucks; really! > >I won't keep yabbering though. This list is about looping; can't wait for >the repeater group buy! > >Glad to meet all of you! > >--Mike (Catharsis) >PS: my web site has some DJ sets up online; I hope to finish some music >soon, but I am taking my time as the exploration is just beginning! > >Egregious >"Spiritual renewal through music for those outside the heard." >http://www.egregious.net/ > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 10:32:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24865; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:29:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:29:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.165.24.24] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Introduction (long) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 15:28:38 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Mar 2001 15:28:38.0289 (UTC) FILETIME=[7416F010:01C0A32D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi...just read your (lengthy) bio post on Looper's Delight. Sounds very interesting from a number of fronts. I am a bassist/looper, and I use sound treatments of the bass as my principle texture (in a very eno-esque sort of way). As of late I have been concerning myself with the acoustic bass, and treatments thereof, but had previously "dabbled" into the techno/dance/DnB styles using processed bass/bass loops and multiple drum loops. Your experience, creative and computer, sounds fascinating. I am writing you because I live in Tehachapi (in the mountains SE of Bakersfield) and come to SLO often (in fact will be there this weekend), and as an electronica/looping performer composer am always on the prowl for venues to play....and for possible collaborators. I have performed at several of the Northern California Festivals of Emerging Electronica, and the recent Solo Bass Looping Festival. I am very interested in what you are doing over there as far as the electronica/dance culture goes. Sounds as tho you might be creating a meld of the intellectual and viscereal.... I would like to open communications with you concerning A) possible collaborations between your computer-based electronica and my own bass-derived sonic manipulations. As a composer (several film scores/commercials) I am always eager for true collaborations...it seems to bring out my best. B) the possibility of performing in SLO soon and re-indulging my interest in loop-based dance music. C) My colleague Rick Walker (Loop.pooL) ...a freq. contributor to Looper's Delight and promoter of many NorCal Looping events, as well as a world class percussionist and outstanding electronica artist and producer...a planning a small (california) LoopFest Tour and would like to put SLO in that itinerary. Perhaps you can help us out there. Previous Looping Festivals have been quite succesful (and fun). Please e-mail me if you are open to any of these ideas. Thanks for your time and consideration...Max Valentino > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 10:37:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA25364; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:36:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:36:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:35:13 EST Subject: OT: Re: dt goes astray, again..... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com KB305@aol.com writes: >you guys made one of the finest records ever made by humans: it's OK to >listen to the gray voice ummm, well: that recording was *not at all* 'up to' the performance-level of the group; sad, for me, that said disc is the only living document of the band..... >> and -again, sorry for what may be rhetorical: >> how will ya *know* when yer 'completely conversant' w/whatall instruments >> you're currently using: when your useage of said instrument is 'fluid'? >> when your peers tell you that it's 'so'? when your imagination tires of mining >> the possibilities? when your musical education 'satisfies' you? >> i bought another >> guitar -a different one, w/some potential for new/personal musical >> functionalities- even though i haven't mastered the other one, yet, and >> can't believe that i ever will..... >What'dja buy, Dave? I'm guessing not another Klein... Unless you finally >persuaded Lorenzo to make you a true archtop (I asked him about the same >thing, he mentioned you had bugged him about it...) hmmm, i don't think i ever really bugged him about that! not that interested in archtops, as ye might imagine. anyway: i've commissioned a Teuffel Tesla gtr, w/6-strings & a TransTrem & some very personalised electronics. it'll be built in 2 stages: 1) is the basic guitar, w/a coupla my own electronic requirements, & 2) will include a modification to the 'turntable' in the lower bout that'll allow for expressivity-controls over one-or-more looping devices: my goal is to play an instrument that actually integrates some disparate electronic elements of my 'schtick' (that's yiddish, for 'schtick'), etc..... best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 10:38:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA25394; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:36:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:36:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.165.24.24] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Introduction (long)apologies Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 15:36:06 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Mar 2001 15:36:07.0170 (UTC) FILETIME=[7FA4BE20:01C0A32E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey gang...please disregard that last(doubled) post by me. Damn I should know better than to try to send e-mails before I've had my coffee!!! It was not meant to go to LD....ooops! Max _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 10:39:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA25562; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:38:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:38:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:36:56 EST Subject: Re: Introduction (long) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wilkommen, sir! best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 10:42:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA25783; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:39:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:39:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.241.39.30] From: "Jeffrey Robert" To: , "Stephen P. Goodman" , "rayographique" References: <20010302052644.43366.qmail@web12814.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Sound Card question Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 08:41:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Mar 2001 15:38:42.0670 (UTC) FILETIME=[DC5428E0:01C0A32E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Are you implying that 2000 locks and freezes more than ME? What O/S do you recommend using for audio extraction and editing? ----- Original Message ----- From: "rayographique" > I am v. happy with mine as well. > It works across the windows 'family' > but gives me a tad of trouble in linux-land with > aRTs, but will be supported soon - if not already. > Cheapest quality digi IO i know of. > Tapeheads insist that it resamples everything at > 48khz, but I haven't had any audible problems. > as to the choice of OS - do you mind lockups and > freezes? > if you do, then 2000 is your friend > > > I can recommend the SBLive card. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 10:48:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26271; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:47:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:47:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.165.24.24] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: thanks dt Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 15:45:37 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Mar 2001 15:45:37.0596 (UTC) FILETIME=[D3A4D7C0:01C0A32F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh...by the way (and this is expressly addressed to Mr.dt) I just got my copy of the Splattercell CD (I know...I procrastinated. it was on my list of things to do for a good long time....better late than never). And I must say what a divine inspiration it is! To all on the list (regardless of instrument or specific style of music) get this CD! It's been in my CD player for the past three days....but I can't get thru a complete listen! I hear one track (or even a partial track) and HAVE to dash off to the studio and do some creating of my own. Extremely creative and inspiring. Thank-you Mr. Torn. With much respect, Max Valentino >From: Hedewa7@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: fdbk control/dt goes astray, again..... >Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:58:11 EST > >all, >please forgive my obvious penchant for vague & cloudy philosophising, >here..... > >steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes: > >Yeah, Ideally you'll have both - I do like the idea of fading from one > >loop to the next - I've heard Eberhard Weber do this > >with an EDP - good effect. >yeah, yup: >btw: i brought eberhard his first 'looping' device' -a pcm42 just like >mine, >modified by gary hall (?bob sellon?)- way back in 1985 (?'84?). >we were in jan garbarek group, together, for a coupla years; ew liked my >looping-contributions to that music, & wanted to explore that arena, for >himself..... > > >I create a similar effect by fading a loop by > >foot whilst looping with another box - ie. JamMan > >with loop gets faded by volume pedal, whilst stuff being played is being > >looped with DL4... >cool. > > >I'd never argue for less control, though too many controls can lead to > >control being limited... >as more controls are offered on looping-instruments, we each seem to have >the >opportunity to more selectively choose which of those controls we *focus* >upon. >and, as 'looping-as-an-instrument' is still in development ---(as are the >products on offer ---indeed, it appears to me that, other than the EDP & >the >impending Repeater, it's still in its infancy, w/most looping-instruments >still playing catch-up w/the old tape-loop/long-delay-line paradigm, and >many >players' useage of the technology hyper-focussed upon the >'looper-as-playback-device')--- >i'd currently hafta argue that there cannot be too many controls >-especially, >as regards expressivity- though i do believe that the interface w/a complex >set of controls might possibly impede their (eventual) musical/virtuosic >employ..... > > >As GAry has quoted me saying, > >I'm not planning on adding anything new to my setup til I'm completely > >conversant with what I've got - I'd rather hear > >someone playing with an 8 second JamMan that they knew inside out, than > >looping clumsily with 14 EDPs or Repeaters all linked > >up, as I'm sure any of us would. >dig; i think i understand that noble sentiment. >but, i'd hope that the application, thereof, is not too broadly >painted..... >(for myself, 'tis true that i'd mostly rather hear a musician capable of >playing a piece of music that moves me w/just one note & simple 'gear', >than >any expressively-disconnected fleet-fingered 'virtuoso' w/racks and racks >of >unused-and-potentially-misunderstood electro-goo..... >i do wonder why we musicians seem so often intent on finding & furthering >these kindsa polarising concepts, all the time, though?) >would anyone, here, reject the exploratory addition of a new kinda >bass/turntable/guitar/computer/etc to your kit, even if you had only a few >specialised-but-irreplaceable uses for it? > >and -again, sorry for what may be rhetorical: >how will ya *know* when yer 'completely conversant' w/whatall instruments >you're currently using: when your useage of said instrument is 'fluid'? >when >your peers tell you that it's 'so'? when your imagination tires of mining >the >possibilities? when your musical education 'satisfies' you? > >and, re: the presentation of someone 'looping clumsily w/14 EDP's or >Repeaters': >it may be that that freak is gonna present something musically >*phenomenal*, >someday, eh? >the edges of any 'movement' are always in development/in motion, & there >appear to be myriad consensually-acceptable criteria & agreements for >'judgement'; >maybe it's important to remember that for some folk it's better to sharpen >the edges, than to codify & organise what's already been done..... i think >it >might be our responsibility -and, to our advantage- to encourage that >activity, here in the looping-worlds..... and, i'd hold that it certainly >is >our responsibility to the world, as musicians. > > >Once I've nailed the current set up, it'll be time for bigger boxes :o) >cool. >me, i just (somewhat reluctantly, & w/a hint of financial difficulty--- i >have 2 kids in the american univer$ity $y$tem, y'all.....) bought another >guitar -a different one, w/some potential for new/personal musical >functionalities- even though i haven't mastered the other one, yet, and >can't >believe that i ever will..... >8-) >best, >dt / SPLaTTeRCeLL > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 10:53:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26526; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:52:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:52:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <088401c0a32f$86646250$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <04b501c0a004$17a6e1e0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <0e4401c0a05c$21c8d860$080210ac@jpalmer> <05c201c0a0ca$fc5af030$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <000201c0a10a$1c7ef0c0$9db06fd4@y5w2s5> Subject: Re: Looper Construction Kit (was Re: 1U PC for Kyma) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:43:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Gareth, > This sounds intriguing Dennis. > You realise though that you've opened a can of worms for yourself ? . . . :) See http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/ent/notes/Vegetables/veg040e/img_loop.htm :) > . . . > One more thing - Can you insert stuff into feedback loops : ) Yes! Several ways. You can circulate the loop from a playback Sound, through a signal twister of your own devise, and back to an overdubbing recorder. Also, the sample points are held in a wavetable. So you can mutate the sound as it lies there defenseless. You can have multiple mutagens, of course. You can extract features of one sound (loop) and use them to mutant another loop, etc. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 11:13:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27452; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 11:12:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 11:12:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <99.115e93e2.27d11ffb@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 11:10:35 EST Subject: just what we need, another michael/mike To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_99.115e93e2.27d11ffb_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_99.115e93e2.27d11ffb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/2/01 3:16:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, catharsis@egregious.net writes: > When I open my mouth > mike.....happens to me all the time.....welcome, sounds like you are having fun!..... :)m --part1_99.115e93e2.27d11ffb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/2/01 3:16:01 AM Eastern Standard Time,
catharsis@egregious.net writes:


When I open my mouth
their eyes glaze over
mike.....happens to me all the time.....welcome, sounds like you are having
fun!..... :)m --part1_99.115e93e2.27d11ffb_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 11:24:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27843; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 11:22:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 11:22:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c0a334$dd69cfe0$412078d8@prelayomb> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <04b501c0a004$17a6e1e0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <0e4401c0a05c$21c8d860$080210ac@jpalmer> <05c201c0a0ca$fc5af030$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <000201c0a10a$1c7ef0c0$9db06fd4@y5w2s5> <088401c0a32f$86646250$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: Looper Construction Kit (was Re: 1U PC for Kyma) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 08:21:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good Lord Hide the credit cards ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Leas" To: Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 7:43 AM Subject: Re: Looper Construction Kit (was Re: 1U PC for Kyma) > Hi Gareth, > > > This sounds intriguing Dennis. > > You realise though that you've opened a can of worms for yourself ? . . . > > :) > See http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/ent/notes/Vegetables/veg040e/img_loop.htm > :) > > > . . . > > One more thing - Can you insert stuff into feedback loops : ) > > Yes! Several ways. You can circulate the loop from a playback Sound, > through a signal twister of your own devise, and back to an overdubbing > recorder. Also, the sample points are held in a wavetable. So you can > mutate the sound as it lies there defenseless. You can have multiple > mutagens, of course. You can extract features of one sound (loop) and use > them to mutant another loop, etc. > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 11:36:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28154; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 11:34:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 11:34:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005601c0a336$07eda470$5844230a@mlameyer02> X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: Subject: Re: Sound Card question Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 11:29:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <8jtkJD.A.o3G.8t8n6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Although I think Delta Labs is out of business, so those with a desire for support may want to consider that. Nevertheless, I think the products are fairly decent (and probably pretty cheap used now too) having used their 8x8 I/O rack for a couple sessions. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 6:16 PM Subject: Re: Sound Card question > > I do have to pipe in about the Audiowerk 2. I have it. Great card for the > money--SPIDF and all. However, the latency I got with the MME drivers on a > Win98SE machine was intolerable (300+ ms) and I still haven't been able to > get the thing to work under my new Win2000 machine. I've installed the new > drivers in about every combination you can, have no other devices on the > PCI bus and still no joy. Emagic's email support has been slow, and > really, unresponsive. After telling them I installed the newest drivers, > they took five days to respond, asking me, "did you install the newest > drivers? Try that." Ugh. > > I've heard very good things about Event's products. If the MD4 has digital > outs, look for a card with the same--best to avoid converters of you can. > If the Emagic thing doesn't happen soon, I'll be investing in a RME > Hammerfall, but that's digital I/O only (which is fine for me). > > I've also heard good things about the Delta Labs stuff. > > Good luck. > > L > > > > Alx > hoo.com> cc: > Subject: Re: Sound Card question > 03/01/01 > 04:56 PM > Please > respond to > Loopers-Delig > ht > > > > > > The Emagic "Aw2" is a pretty good soundcard and it > costs around US$ 200-220, I read event electronics > came out with a new soundcard that also is around $US > 200, I think itīs called "Mia" or "Mona". > Alx > > --- Jeffrey Robert wrote: > > Hello, > > I have a hardware question for you all. I want to > > start putting my loops online but I don't know what > > kind of soundcard to get. Any suggestions on an > > inexpensive sound card? My setup is a Yamaha MD-4 > > --> soundcard? ---> Windows 2000 machine? > > Which raises another question, with the new Windows > > operating systems ME and 2000, which is better for > > multi-media applications like editing music? ME > > seems quite buggy, but supposedly more designed for > > this use. Any feedback? > > thanks, > > Lew > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 12:07:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29369; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:04:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:04:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006401c0a33a$2d320f60$5844230a@mlameyer02> X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <20010302052644.43366.qmail@web12814.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: OT: Sound Card question Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 11:59:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <5OzPGC.A.lKH.xJ9n6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OS religions aside (I both run and support Win, Mac, and Linux), a lot of the stability issues on the Win32 platform depend a great deal on the drivers and hardware resource settings/config, more than the base OS itself (which has flaws, they all do). The thing about Winx (and most OS's - but Mac being the most friendly of these) is that the out-of-the-box configuration isn't ideal for audio, and beaucoup de tweaking is required to get software/hardware config right (disabling drive caching, etc). But that's the reality of a general purpose OS. I've run audio software on all three of the above platforms, I've had problems on each, although the Gx platform for the Mac is the slickest setup (and most expensive), and Linux the most tedious, but I've found Win2k to be much more stable and reliable than Win9x, but finding good Win2k drivers is the real key. Honestly, Win9x is the only OS that I swear actually deteriorates over time. My audio box at home runs Win9x (for software compatiblity and budget reasons), and I have to rebuild the little squirt about every few months, usually because I've installed some software or update that's wacked something else on the box. Typical. I tried tracking system file changes, but the descrepencies I found in.dll versioning made that pretty unrewarding. Best, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "rayographique" To: "Stephen P. Goodman" ; Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 12:26 AM Subject: Re: Sound Card question > I am v. happy with mine as well. > It works across the windows 'family' > but gives me a tad of trouble in linux-land with > aRTs, but will be supported soon - if not already. > Cheapest quality digi IO i know of. > Tapeheads insist that it resamples everything at > 48khz, but I haven't had any audible problems. > as to the choice of OS - do you mind lockups and > freezes? > if you do, then 2000 is your friend > > d > --- "Stephen P. Goodman" > wrote: > > I can recommend the SBLive card. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 12:11:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29587; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:10:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:10:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 12:09:30 -0500 Subject: Re: DEFINITIVE SOUND CARD ADVICE From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <009901c0a2fd$be081440$6882e3a5@daw> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not very definitive if you happen to own a Mac, it seems.... David Lee Myers pulsewidth.com ----------------------------------------------------- "Ourobouros" CD of new Feedback Music available now on Pulsewidth! In NYC at Downtown Music, Kim's Mondo, and Other Music, and through Forced Exposure, Anomalous, Wayside, Electronic Music Foundation, Recommended, and Staalplaat. on 3/2/01 4:46 AM, Rick Walker at GLOBAL@cruzio.com wrote: > Check out this site. Arny Krueger put this up and did all of the state of > the art testing as a service to all of us. > He is a genius, a warm and generous person and should be up for a Loopers > Delight Sainthood Award for Tech Support. > > http://www.pcavtech.com/ > > > yours, Rick > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 12:13:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29712; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:12:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:12:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.16.219.10] From: "Pete Mundt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sound Card question Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 12:11:19 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Mar 2001 17:11:19.0653 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC8C7950:01C0A33B] Resent-Message-ID: <1GHcQD.A.0PH.WR9n6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've noticed no mention of the Aardvark Sound cards on the list, has anyone had experience with any of their models yet? I've heard some good things about their stuff, but alas, not anything from this list? Any known issues, shortcommings etc. that anybody knows about? I too am investigating the purchase of a new sound card, and am enjoying the ideas ya'll have on your cards of choice. Thanks, Pete. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 12:43:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30504; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:41:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:41:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: mhamburg@mailsj-v1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200103020215.SAA08527@proxy4.ba.best.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 23:12:48 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Mark Hamburg" Subject: Re: EDP input/output gain & distortion problems Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So is this going to be another reason why if I want to go stereo, I should look at getting a Repeater (whenever they become available) rather than a second EDP? Mark At 6:21 PM -0800 3/1/01, Allan Hoeltje wrote: > I have a similar situation with a twist. I bought an EDP from the >first Gibson batch (group buy from Alto). I upgraded the RAM to the max >and it works fine. I bought a second Gibson EDP (the second group buy >from Alto) but this one is slightly different from the first one. > > The newer one came with the maximum RAM - a nice feature. The on/off >switch is reversed - I can get used to that. But the real anoying >difference is the input/output gain is much different between the two >units. I can correct the gain problem by carefully adjusting the knobs >but it would be much nicer if the units were better matched. > > Thankfully, I have not noticed any distortion in either unit. > > -Allan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 12:44:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30432; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:40:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:40:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.16.219.10] From: "Pete Mundt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Sound Card question Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 12:39:08 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Mar 2001 17:39:08.0806 (UTC) FILETIME=[AF710260:01C0A33F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Honestly, Win9x is the only OS that I swear actually >deteriorates over time. My audio box at home runs Win9x (for >software compatiblity and budget reasons), and I have to rebuild >the little squirt about every few months, usually because I've >installed some software or update that's wacked something else >on the box. Typical. I tried tracking system file changes, but >the descrepencies I found in.dll versioning made that pretty >unrewarding. > >Best, >Mike I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one. I get 4 months out of my Win98 OS before I have wipe it all out & start over. And usually the last month and a half is very frustrating. Once I hit the big one I'll probably go Mac, but until then I'll continue lose my hair every 3 months or so. My wife actually enjoys it, because there is a time based pattern when I become irritable, frustrated, and start crying for no reason! Poetic Justice I guess. :) Pete _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 12:50:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30874; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:48:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:48:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 09:36:07 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: A Call to Arms: The First Annual Santa Cruz VOICE + ELECTRONICS FESTIVAL In-reply-to: <007601c0a2fc$7ae721c0$6882e3a5@daw> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: <200103020817.DAA15295@hemlock.violacea.com> <007601c0a2fc$7ae721c0$6882e3a5@daw> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:38 AM -0800 3/2/01, Rick Walker wrote: >I am producing another free festival > >First Annual Santa Cruz VOICE + ELECTRONICS FESTIVAL > >The festival will pair Acapella Vocalists with Electronics processing >artists as well as Vocal Only Looping groups or individuals. What about Pamela Z? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 12:59:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31201; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:58:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:58:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: Re: EDP input/output gain & distortion problems Message-ID: <0056910010650516000002L162*@MHS> Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:00:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 03/02/01 11:48:57" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA31172 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>> So is this going to be another reason why if I want to go stereo, I should look at getting a Repeater (whenever they become available) rather than a second EDP? Mark >>> Two EDPs will always be cool. Most important : you can either use them in true stereo, or brother sync'd but as two independent audio paths, completely unsycn'd, or brother sync'd in a serial audio path! The hookup possibilities are huge! And futhermore, a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, and the with EDPs you can actually make music now. With the Repeater you can only think about making music! Brother K From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 13:04:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31762; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 13:02:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 13:02:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010302180129.10580.qmail@web4902.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:01:29 -0800 (PST) From: Andy Diaz Subject: LOOPS WILL OCCUR REPEATEDLY IN NYC To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: projekct@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <1ae7lB.A.7vH.5_9n6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com SAMSARA @ IZZY BAR 166 1st AVE @ 10th ST NYC 3/2/01 9:30pm $5 MECHANICAL AND ORGANIC LOOPS USING DRUM AND BASS AND GUITAR AND TRUMPET LAYER OF FREEJAZZ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 13:05:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31828; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 13:03:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 13:03:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAEBF@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: moRE: so cal gig spam Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 13:02:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0A342.F901AEE0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0A342.F901AEE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" hi, sorry to post this again. i was just informed that the gig is at 9:00 - - NOT 8:00. also, i might add that the original post (which i had forwarded) neglected to mention that both ge and kaoru do looping as well. sl Splinter Group CRIB/G.E. Stinson duo Sunday, March 4th, 9 pm Knitting Factory LA Alterknit Lounge $7 (i think) Splinter Group is: G.E. Stinson: gtr, shrapnel Steuart Liebig: bass, loopage, alchemy Kauru: vocals, toys, hand percussion, weather Chowderhead: turntables, noises, slop ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0A342.F901AEE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" so cal gig spam
 hi, sorry to post this again. i was just informed that the gig is at 9:00 - - NOT 8:00.
 
also, i might add that the original post (which i had forwarded) neglected to mention that both ge and kaoru do looping as well.
 
sl

Splinter Group
CRIB/G.E. Stinson duo

Sunday, March 4th,  9  pm
Knitting Factory LA
Alterknit Lounge
$7 (i think)

Splinter Group is:
G.E. Stinson: gtr, shrapnel
Steuart Liebig: bass, loopage, alchemy
Kauru: vocals, toys, hand percussion, weather
Chowderhead: turntables, noises, slop

------_=_NextPart_001_01C0A342.F901AEE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 13:24:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32248; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 13:18:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 13:18:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 13:17:46 EST Subject: OT: Re: thanks dt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ekstasis1@hotmail.com writes: >Oh...by the way (and this is expressly addressed to Mr.dt) I just got my >copy of the Splattercell CD (I know...I procrastinated. it was on my list >of >things to do for a good long time....better late than never). And I must >say >what a divine inspiration it is! To all on the list (regardless of >instrument or specific style of music) get this CD! It's been in my CD >player for the past three days....but I can't get thru a complete listen! >I hear one track (or even a partial track) and HAVE to dash off to the studio >and do some creating of my own. Extremely creative and inspiring. Thank-you >Mr. Torn. thank you, max. i presume yer talkin' bout OAH, right?, or didya git the REMIKSiS:::AH cd, as well? best, dt / splattercell the american press, on SPLaTTeRCeLL ::: OAH "Destined for cult status, this should be the guitar record of choice for electronica admirers--- or the fave electronica album for guitar fans." BillBoard Magazine (usa) "..... a chillingly wonderful instrumental CD. Brilliant stuff." Keyboard Magazine (usa) "Torn is perhaps the hippest creator of cut-and-paste music you're likely to encounter. Case in point is SPLaTTeRCeLL ::: OAH. OAH is a bold leap forward for the forces of organica--- those who believe that the hybrid of live performance & digital editing is the most exciting musical place-to-be." ReMiX Magazine (usa) "It's the kind of experience that had me shaking my head & saying, 'Holy shit, what was that?!'. Other flash guitarists can give you occasional transcendent licks, but on this (SPLaTTeRCeLL) CD, Torn gives you a 67-minute cosmic package". Alternative Press (usa) "Damn, this is one gorgeous mind-wrangle of a record!" Splendid SPLaTTeRCeLL: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Pages/soah Solid States: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf List site: http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn [Unable to display image] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 13:33:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32654; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 13:31:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 13:31:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: mhamburg@mailsj-v1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0056910010650516000002L162*@MHS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:31:12 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Mark Hamburg" Subject: Re: EDP input/output gain & distortion problems Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah, but I've already got one EDP and looping happily. So the question is whether the route to stereo is get another EDP or to wait for a Repeater (which is stereo in of itself) to use in addition to my EDP. How irritated am I likely to be at changes in the behavior of the various EDP generations? (I have a reasonably late generation Oberheim EDP.) (Kim could of course sweeten the pot by announcing that the new software is just around the corner and that it does amazing things...) Thanks. Mark At 10:00 AM -0800 3/2/01, kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com wrote: >Two EDPs will always be cool. Most important : you can either use them in >true stereo, or brother sync'd >but as two independent audio paths, completely unsycn'd, or brother sync'd >in a serial audio path! > >The hookup possibilities are huge! > >And futhermore, a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, and the with >EDPs you can actually make >music now. With the Repeater you can only think about making music! > >Brother K From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 13:38:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00554; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 13:36:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 13:36:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200103021833.KAA24986@proxy4.ba.best.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 10:40:48 -0800 Subject: Re: EDP input/output gain & distortion problems From: "Allan Hoeltje" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4hnY1C.A.jG.Pg-n6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No, not necessarily. It looks to me that the gain difference is only in units made at different points in the EDP chronology. I seem to remember Kim? saying the first run of Gibson EDP's were made from leftover Opcode parts and the second was from a totaly new production. I bet if you bought two now they would be exactly the same. Mine work OK together, they only needed some input/output knob tweeking. I know the gain thing is a real pain for some folks but you could look at it this way. The EDP has gone through, what four sucessful incarnations? Most gear is made once and then discountinued never to be seen again. If Lexicon were to sell the rights to Vortex to someone and a new production run was started would they be exactly the same as the original? -Allan ---------- >From: "Mark Hamburg" > > So is this going to be another reason why if I want to go stereo, I should > look at getting a Repeater (whenever they become available) rather than a > second EDP? > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 14:03:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01770; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 14:01:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 14:01:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200103021833.KAA24986@proxy4.ba.best.com> References: <200103021833.KAA24986@proxy4.ba.best.com> Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:49:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: EDP input/output gain & distortion problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <34TqU.A.qa.S3-n6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >If Lexicon >were to sell the rights to Vortex to someone and a new production run was >started would they be exactly the same as the original? considering the widely differing opinions of this particular unit (it's the most-confusing piece of crap vs. it's the best thing since sliced bread...and many points inbetween...with me leaning more to the former) i couldn't help but find some humor in the thought of reproducing them... * if Ford were to sell the rights to the Corvair to someone and a new production run was started would they be exactly the same as the original? hey...might give Nader something new to chew on. rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 14:21:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02496; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 14:18:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 14:18:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.165.24.127] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Re: thanks dt Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 19:17:00 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Mar 2001 19:17:00.0261 (UTC) FILETIME=[5B19F150:01C0A34D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com actually I am going to pick up REMIKSiS this very afternoon...... and I am sure it will be just as inspiring. Amazing stuff, David. Let me know if yer lookin for a bass player/loopist/sonic terrorist.... Max >From: Hedewa7@aol.com . >i presume yer talkin' bout OAH, right?, or didya git the REMIKSiS:::AH cd, >as >well? >best, >dt / splattercell > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 14:31:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03045; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 14:30:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 14:30:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 13:25:31 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: OT: Sound Card question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <022e01c0a34e$8c36ebc0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: <9TGai.A.pu.SS_n6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you guys should check out a program called ghost. you can backup your system drive bit for bit. i usually set up a clean install of windows and the software i use a lot and ghost it. then if something goes haywire, i just back up any data that has changed and unghost. it takes far less time than reinstalling everything. i don't usually need to do this as often as you are talking about, though. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Mundt" To: Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 11:39 AM Subject: Re: OT: Sound Card question > >Honestly, Win9x is the only OS that I swear actually > >deteriorates over time. My audio box at home runs Win9x (for > >software compatiblity and budget reasons), and I have to rebuild > >the little squirt about every few months, usually because I've > >installed some software or update that's wacked something else > >on the box. Typical. I tried tracking system file changes, but > >the descrepencies I found in.dll versioning made that pretty > >unrewarding. > > > >Best, > >Mike > > I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one. I get 4 months out of my Win98 OS > before I have wipe it all out & start over. And usually the last month and a > half is very frustrating. Once I hit the big one I'll probably go Mac, but > until then I'll continue lose my hair every 3 months or so. My wife actually > enjoys it, because there is a time based pattern when I become irritable, > frustrated, and start crying for no reason! Poetic Justice I guess. :) > Pete > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 14:47:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03492; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 14:46:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 14:46:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <200103021833.KAA24986@proxy4.ba.best.com> Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 11:35:12 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: EDP input/output gain & distortion problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey...i even got my stupid joke wrong...didn't I? i think it was Chevrolet that made that questionable automobile, wasn't it? hahaha...oh well, Ford vs. Chevy, EDP vs. Repeater, Bush vs. Gore, Mac vs. PC, and so on and so on...loop on. rich >if Ford were to sell the rights to the Corvair to someone and a new >production run was started would they be exactly the same as the >original? > >hey...might give Nader something new to chew on. > > > > >rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 14:52:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03641; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 14:50:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 14:50:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 11:10:12 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: EDP input/output gain & distortion problems In-reply-to: <200103021833.KAA24986@proxy4.ba.best.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: <200103021833.KAA24986@proxy4.ba.best.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:40 AM -0800 3/2/01, Allan Hoeltje wrote: >first run of Gibson EDP's were made from leftover Opcode parts You mean Oberheim? Sometimes it's hard to keep straight who is who among those assimilated by the Borg. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 15:16:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04688; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 15:11:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 15:11:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011001c0a354$4e4a0cb0$5844230a@mlameyer02> X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <022e01c0a34e$8c36ebc0$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: OT: Sound Card question Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 15:06:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As long as you have drive space for the disk image, that's a great idea. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim palmer" To: Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 2:25 PM Subject: Re: OT: Sound Card question > you guys should check out a program called ghost. > you can backup your system drive bit for bit. > i usually set up a clean install of windows and the software > i use a lot and ghost it. then if something goes haywire, > i just back up any data that has changed and unghost. > it takes far less time than reinstalling everything. > > i don't usually need to do this as often as you are talking about, though. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pete Mundt" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 11:39 AM > Subject: Re: OT: Sound Card question > > > > >Honestly, Win9x is the only OS that I swear actually > > >deteriorates over time. My audio box at home runs Win9x (for > > >software compatiblity and budget reasons), and I have to rebuild > > >the little squirt about every few months, usually because I've > > >installed some software or update that's wacked something else > > >on the box. Typical. I tried tracking system file changes, but > > >the descrepencies I found in.dll versioning made that pretty > > >unrewarding. > > > > > >Best, > > >Mike > > > > I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one. I get 4 months out of my Win98 OS > > before I have wipe it all out & start over. And usually the last month and a > > half is very frustrating. Once I hit the big one I'll probably go Mac, but > > until then I'll continue lose my hair every 3 months or so. My wife actually > > enjoys it, because there is a time based pattern when I become irritable, > > frustrated, and start crying for no reason! Poetic Justice I guess. :) > > Pete > > ________________________________________________________________ _ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 15:57:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05860; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 15:55:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 15:55:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: Re: EDP input/output gain & distortion problems Message-ID: <0056910010657429000002L192*@MHS> Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 14:57:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 03/02/01 14:46:35" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA05832 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > How irritated am I likely to be at changes in the behavior of the various EDP generations? (I have a reasonably late generation Oberheim EDP.) > I have a very early Oberheim and an early Gibson EDP, both with updated SW and maximum memory. They work together perfectly. And I am actually OK with the fact that the input/ouput level knobs need to be set differently. K From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 16:01:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06410; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 15:59:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 15:59:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AA0096E.B21FE631@altruistmusic.com> Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 12:58:21 -0800 From: Andre Lafosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Teuffel guitars References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > i've commissioned a Teuffel Tesla gtr, w/6-strings & a TransTrem & some very > personalised electronics. I saw (and played) some Teuffel guitars at NAMM a few weeks back. Beautiful sounding (and looking) instruments. And in terms of how radical the design is, the most out-there models basically make a Klein look like a '57 Strat by comparison... > 2) will include a modification to the 'turntable' in the lower bout that'll > allow for expressivity-controls over one-or-more looping devices: Dare I inquire as to what some of these controls might be? Some EDP footswitch-style buttons, perhaps? A feedback regulator? > dt / splattercell All lowercase sig, David?! Must be Casual Friday! --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 17:00:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06937; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 16:22:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 16:22:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200103022120.NAA15977@proxy4.ba.best.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 13:27:27 -0800 Subject: Re: EDP input/output gain & distortion problems From: "Allan Hoeltje" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I made the comparison to Vortex because I think of it and the EDP both as being "love children" of sorts, not because of the differing opinions some folks may have! :-) Ford might as well of made the Corvair, since all those Detroit cars are nearly the same, but it was Chevy. Now if Ford did start making the Corvair, the tires would fall off before it had a chance to roll over! -Allan ---------- >From: rich > >>If Lexicon >>were to sell the rights to Vortex to someone and a new production run was >>started would they be exactly the same as the original? > > considering the widely differing opinions of this particular unit > (it's the most-confusing piece of crap vs. it's the best thing since > sliced bread...and many points inbetween...with me leaning more to > the former) > > i couldn't help but find some humor in the thought of reproducing them... > > * > > if Ford were to sell the rights to the Corvair to someone and a new > production run was started would they be exactly the same as the > original? > > hey...might give Nader something new to chew on. > > > > > rich > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 19:04:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10783; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 18:36:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 18:36:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004b01c0a36f$b4daa820$5f0c1a3f@oemcomputer> From: "become_1" To: References: <7f.10d175ef.27cfd9a3@aol.com> Subject: Re: fdbk control/dt goes astray, again..... Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 17:49:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > i do wonder why we musicians seem so often intent on finding & furthering > these kindsa polarising concepts, all the time, though?) Most definitely not limited to musicians--lucky you didn't get caught in the poetry wars when you were doing that concert with Creeley up in Buffalo! Having previously spent most of my time involved with literary groups, i'm often surprised (happily) by how quick looplisters are to make conciliatory moves when someone gets ruffled, and how much support there is for differing aesthetics. bruce comens From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 19:08:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10789; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 18:37:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 18:37:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004c01c0a36f$b5d66d40$5f0c1a3f@oemcomputer> From: "become_1" To: References: Subject: Re: thanks dt--for the poetry.. Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 18:01:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just to point listmembers to a part of dt's recent work they might otherwise overlook: I just got the Robert Creeley/dt/Steve Swallow/Chris Massey/David Cast disc, "Have We Told You All You'd Thought to Know?," and i think it's one of the best poetry and music CD's I've ever heard. (The disclaimer being that I'm very biased, as I studied with Creeley for quite a while, and he's often helped me out with generous blurbs for my work.:-)) And yes, there be loops aplenty....in a jazzy context..... bruce comens From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 20:46:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13547; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 20:14:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 20:14:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20010302191348.007e5850@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 19:13:48 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: Sound Card question In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <-MBRv.A.RTD.ZVEo6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I use the Ark 24 with VST/32. Very happy with the card. Lots of options with the Ark 24. Customer support is great. M.. At 12:11 PM 3/2/01 -0500, you wrote: > >I've noticed no mention of the Aardvark Sound cards on the list, has anyone >had experience with any of their models yet? I've heard some good things >about their stuff, but alas, not anything from this list? Any known issues, >shortcommings etc. that anybody knows about? I too am investigating the >purchase of a new sound card, and am enjoying the ideas ya'll have on your >cards of choice. >Thanks, >Pete. > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 3 02:15:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA22673; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 02:08:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 02:08:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200103030707.f2377Qo24412@picard.skynet.be> From: "Hugo Haesaert" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 08:07:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: EDP input/output gain & distortion problems Reply-to: hugo.haesaert@skynet.be Priority: normal In-reply-to: <004601c0a2c8$d7706480$5d597018@flfrd1.on.wave.home.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Fabio ! Open up your machine again and check the soldering very critically . You might have a dry joint or so, and physically moving it might have restored a good contact, temporarily . If unsure about a joint, redo it . If still unsure, have someone with "known good soldering skills" check it out for you . Hope this helps . Cheers . Keep 'em oscillating :) Hugo = (crawling back under me flagstone, waiting for the first sighting of either an EDP or Repeater in Belgium ;^) ) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 3 05:45:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA27244; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 05:43:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 05:43:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c001c0a3cf$0ecabfa0$522cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <18.98d9b0a.27d1116c@aol.com> Subject: Re: fdbk control/dt goes astray, again..... Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 10:45:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > as i think you know, steve, i like to ask questions, is all..... and there > seem to be so many to ask, these days!!! > 8-) > much respect. > best, > dt / splattercell David, Long may your questioning continue - the level of philosophical critique on this list is the highest I've come across on the net (not much competition there, I must admit... :o) and it's a great feeling to have one's thoughts and musings clarified, questioned, challenged, untangled and unpacked by such a mellow group of people. Shalom Steve (PS - great to meet Stephen Goodman at my gig last night - thanx for the CD Steve, will report back as soon as I get to listen to it - hopefully tomorrow or later on today...) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 3 08:16:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA30256; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 08:14:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 08:14:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <020b01c0a3e3$8b3e6640$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: "EarthLight Newsletter" Subject: Announcements - Music Video and New Site! Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 13:10:52 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings all, Here's hoping you're all in good states as this reaches you. First off, there's a new look at http://www.earthlight.net - a more advanced, intuitive look is occurring. I hope you come on in and browse around! Second, I'm pleased to announce that a firm in the UK named OuterEye - they do video streaming services - are using some of my music to accompany video content shown on their site! This is also included in the free CD in Digit magazine this month, and their site is at http://www.outereye.com/vi-index.html, under 'examples', and choose one of the "Arctic Landscape" links. Let's hope the folks who did the footage get in touch with me! :) I should also mention that they've got an offer of 1500 minutes of streaming for Ģ100, which could be a great start for someone just to get their video material online and viewed, by the right people. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery.html - Online Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 3 08:21:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA30383; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 08:20:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 08:20:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <023e01c0a3e4$a23dbd40$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <18.98d9b0a.27d1116c@aol.com> <00c001c0a3cf$0ecabfa0$522cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> Subject: Re: fdbk control/dt goes astray, again..... Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 13:19:50 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm pleased to announce that a firm in the UK named OuterEye - they do video streaming services - are using some of my music to accompany video content shown on their site! This is also included in the free CD in Digit magazine this month, and their site is at http://www.outereye.com/vi-index.html, under 'examples', and choose one of the "Arctic Landscape" links. Let's hope the folks who did the footage get in touch with me! :) I should also mention that they've got an offer of 1500 minutes of streaming for Ģ100, which could be a great start for someone just to get their video material online and viewed, by the right people. Secondly there's a whole new look at http://www.earthlight.net - more icon-driven and hopefully a more informational setup. While it's always a work-in-progress this is a new tier of development. So drop in and let us know what'cha think! Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery.html - Online Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 3 12:18:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12874; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 12:15:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 12:15:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c0a406$141a4980$99990fce@com> From: "Stephen Bradley and Kristen Chamberlin" To: Subject: EDP Undo Function Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 12:16:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0A3DB.CA54E320" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0A3DB.CA54E320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One of the dilemmas I face in looking at the EDP is the memory = constraint on the Undo function. As I understand it from the EDP = manual, Undo only works if you're total memory usage is less than 50% of = the unit's capacity. Have people found this constraint to be = problematic in using / performing with the EDP? If so, how have you = addressed or resolved that (aside from the obvious.......keeping any = loop(s) you want to Undo under 1.5 mins. To me, this limits the "true = capacity" of the machine to 1.5 minutes of looping time, if I want to = edit loops or correct mistakes as I create them. Is that a = misconception on my part? =20 Also, is the Overdub function also limited by memory, or is it = unlimited, as with the Jamman? =20 And in terms of using the EDP as a digital delay, are people generally = satisfied with that, say in comparison with the Jamman (which is a = really nice delay, imho). I'd really appreciate any input people might have around this, as I am = looking at a possible purchase decision on the EDP within the next 24 = hours. Thanks! =20 peace, stephen p.s. not to re-inflame the Jimi discussion, but the intro section of the = EDP manual I downloaded off the web boasts that he was doing a = significant amount of looping in his day............. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0A3DB.CA54E320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
One of the dilemmas I face in looking = at the EDP is=20 the memory constraint on the Undo function.  As I understand it = from the=20 EDP manual, Undo only works if you're total memory usage is less than = 50% of the=20 unit's capacity.  Have people found this constraint to be = problematic in=20 using / performing with the EDP?  If so, how have you addressed or = resolved=20 that (aside from the obvious.......keeping any loop(s) you want to Undo = under=20 1.5 mins.  To me, this limits the "true capacity" of the machine to = 1.5=20 minutes of looping time, if I want to edit loops or correct mistakes as = I create=20 them.  Is that a misconception on my part? 
 
Also, is the Overdub function also = limited by=20 memory, or is it unlimited, as with the Jamman? 
 
And in terms of using the EDP as a = digital delay,=20 are people generally satisfied with that, say in comparison with the = Jamman=20 (which is a really nice delay, imho).
 
I'd really appreciate any input people = might=20 have around this, as I am looking at a possible purchase decision = on the=20 EDP within the next 24 hours.  Thanks! 
 
peace,
stephen
 
p.s. not to re-inflame the Jimi = discussion, but the=20 intro section of the EDP manual I downloaded off the web boasts that he = was=20 doing a significant amount of looping in his=20 day.............
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0A3DB.CA54E320-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 3 13:02:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16578; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 13:00:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 13:00:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901c0a40b$d110ab60$ba2078d8@prelayomb> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <001201c0a406$141a4980$99990fce@com> Subject: Re: EDP Undo Function Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 10:00:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01C0A3C8.BCDF2060" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C0A3C8.BCDF2060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I find that Undo on the EDP is "deep" enough unless you are using = multiple loops. The EDP divides the Memory equally, so if you have 4 = loops (like the Repeater), each loop is "only " 45 seconds long, or 20 = secs with 1 undo, 15 secs with 2 undos etc. Just having an undo = function is great--redo would be astounding (like Kyma). I have created = an "Undo bomb" pedal setting on my PMC-10 which strips away several = layers all at once--dramatic. I recommend the purchase of the Echoplex. Gary ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C0A3C8.BCDF2060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I find that Undo on the EDP is "deep" = enough unless=20 you are using multiple loops.  The EDP divides the Memory equally, = so if=20 you have 4 loops (like the Repeater), each loop is "only " 45 seconds = long, or=20 20 secs with 1 undo, 15 secs with 2 undos etc.  Just having an undo = function is great--redo would be astounding (like Kyma).  I have = created an=20 "Undo bomb" pedal setting on my PMC-10 which strips away several layers = all at=20 once--dramatic.  I recommend the purchase of the = Echoplex.
Gary
 
------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C0A3C8.BCDF2060-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 3 13:02:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16581; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 13:00:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 13:00:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 13:01:55 -0500 Subject: EDP plus GR-33 set up From: Tommy Kochel To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9lXF_B.A.0CE.BFTo6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I need help. I just got my EDP and can loop with my guitar sound, but not the MIDI sounds from my GR-33. My system is simple: my instrument into the GR-33. The GR-33 effects loop out to a Digitech Talk Box, the Talk Box to the EDP, and the EDP back to the Return of the GR-33. This is one of the ways to set it up recommended in the EDP manual. Yet I cannot hear any GR-33 patches looped. Do I need a couple MIDI cables to send tone information OUT from the GR-33, IN to the EDP, then OUT from the EDP and back IN to the GR-33? (the speaker cables go directly from the stereo outputs on the GR-33 into two separate channels on my mixer. (I tried "effects looping" the EDP directly to my mixer, but when I do so I only get sound in one of my speakers.) Thanks Tommy Kochel "Entertainment is about telling everybody that everything's alright but music is on the side of the upsetters and that's where I'm at." - Bill Bruford, April 10, 1976, Sounds. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 3 15:12:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26076; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 15:10:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 15:10:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: fnothing@pop.sirius.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 12:18:06 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: fnothing@sirius.com (Jonathan Byerly) Subject: Jimi Hendrix Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I guess its all relative. Classical Indian musicians traditionally start studying their Ragas all day every day from age four and start performing in public in late teens. Jazz musicians start studying their Bird/Monk/Miles/Trane etc, in adolescence.All go through a period where they practice three-to-four hours a day for years and years. In Rock, you generically "Pick up a guitar and learn how to play",(if that) and are performing before the next verse. So I guess I shouldn't be offended if rockpoprap artists don't study their Hendrix or have any clue about his influence on ALL the music they are performing and listening to. After all, rockpoprap is not music anymore, it's marketing. LOOK at any Rolling Stone or Biscuits, M&Ms, kidrocks, (there's actually no need to listen). The fact that Jimi is still prominent in any of your favorite Cd stores says more about the resiliancy of humanity than it does about Mr. Hendrix. There will be some who don't understand this... "I am what I am, Thank God, some people just don't understand, help them God" -From Nothing From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 3 15:28:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26755; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 15:25:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 15:25:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 15:26:00 -0500 Subject: Re: EDP plus GR-33 set up From: Doug Miller To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You are not hearing the synth sounds thru the EDP because it is not plugged into it. The synth tones only come out thru the "mix out" outputs. To loop your stereo synth and guitar tones you'll need another EDP or a Repeater (oops sorry!) I'm using the EDP with my GR-30 and Boss GT-3. Here's what I do: Guitar from GK-2 into GR-30, guitar out to the GT-3 input, back out to GR-30 into the "Return". From the mix out it goes to the EDP and then to my mixer. Basically you need to put the EDP at the end of your chain. Right now it's only getting your guitar, because synth tones only come out of the "Mix out". _________________________________ Doug Miller Graphic Designer / Illustrator http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller http://www.dispatch.com http://www.cccn.org > I need help. I just got my EDP and can loop with my guitar sound, but not > the MIDI sounds from my GR-33. > > My system is simple: my instrument into the GR-33. The GR-33 effects loop > out to a Digitech Talk Box, the Talk Box to the EDP, and the EDP back to the > Return of the GR-33. This is one of the ways to set it up recommended in > the EDP manual. > > Yet I cannot hear any GR-33 patches looped. Do I need a couple MIDI cables > to send tone information OUT from the GR-33, IN to the EDP, then OUT from > the EDP and back IN to the GR-33? (the speaker cables go directly from the > stereo outputs on the GR-33 into two separate channels on my mixer. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 3 15:44:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27575; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 15:42:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 15:42:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 12:41:01 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: EDP plus GR-33 set up In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: Resent-Message-ID: <1pgAiC.A.guG.IcVo6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:01 PM -0500 3/3/01, Tommy Kochel wrote: >My system is simple: my instrument into the GR-33. The GR-33 effects loop >out to a Digitech Talk Box, the Talk Box to the EDP, and the EDP back to the >Return of the GR-33. I just took a look at a picture of the GR-33 on Harmony Central There appear to be three audio outputs and two audio inputs: MIX OUT L(MONO) MIX OUT R(PHONES) GUITAR OUT FX RETURN L(MONO) FX RETURN R I believe the "normal" signal from the guitar is provided by the GK input. Because of the way "GUITAR OUT" is labeled I assume this is a simple copy of the incoming guitar signal. The GR-33 also has an internal effects send, to be used in conjunction with its built-in effects processor. It seems probable that this internal effects send has nothing at all to do with the GUITAR OUT jack on the GR-33, nor dose the stereo RETURN have anything to do with the internal effects send. What you should probably be doing is to feed signal to your EDP from an effects send on your mixer. Patch the GUITAR OUT and the MIX OUT from the GR-33 into three of your mixer's inputs, then patch one of the mixer's effects sends to the Talk Box and EDP and patch the output of the EDP back into the mixer. Adjust the relative levels of guitar, guitar synthesizer, and EDP and also adjust the send levels on both the regular guitar and guitar synthesizer channels. You should be fine. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 3 16:32:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30303; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 16:29:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 16:29:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c0a428$c9a11c80$0101a8c0@pavilion> From: "Brian Mulvey" To: References: Subject: Re: EDP plus GR-33 set up Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 16:24:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Pretty sure the effects loop on the GR only sends out the guitar signal, and not the synth output. Solution, instead of using the EDP on the effects loop of your GR, connect it to the aux sends of your mixer, or failing that, connect it directly. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 3 17:43:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01454; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 17:41:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 17:41:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004201c0a432$14d50a00$ea0a3e3f@oemcomputer> From: "Petr" To: Subject: midi -- looping -- effects Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 15:34:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <0Wt2EC.A.PW.DMXo6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know that a lot had been said about good/bad midi footcontrollers here. But even after searching thoroughly the LD archives I still don't find the information I really need right now: What footcontroller can I buy, which would be good for controlling several effects + EDP at once? I find many comments on LD about not good footcontrollers -- but which ones are good? I want something on which I could program individual switches to send different program changes on different channels, and the switches would be programmable as momentary. Quality, relibility and availability are more important than $. Is anyone using any specific footcontroller which would be able of that -- and be currently produced and available? _________________________________________ Petr Dolák music * poetry guitar * looping * percussion petr@tryi.com www.geocities.com/pepetr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 3 17:59:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02277; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 17:57:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 17:57:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002401c0a434$23dfd460$2b14f618@oemcomputer.spardil.mediacom.ispchannel.com> Reply-To: "Eric Williamson" From: "Eric Williamson" To: Subject: Re: Jimi Hendrix --- jazz and personal development Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 16:48:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Jazz musicians start studying their Bird/Monk/Miles/Trane etc, in >adolescence.All go through a period where they practice three-to-four hours >a day for years and years. That is a generalisation. I didn't start playing jazz until I was 20 or so. I couldn't play ambidextrously till after my 21st birthday. I practice to learn tunes and improve my basslines (I play a Hammond in a organ/guitar/drums trio). Alot of jazz musicians have an enormous technical vocabulary but no idea how to actually play listenable music (and I'm not implying atonality as "unlistenable", I mean the whole machine-gun style of soloing I see all too often in modern jazz). I guess what I'm saying is that for me as a player, I've learned more about playing jazz from Fripp-style ambient looping and hanging out with punk rawkers than I have from watching scholastic jazzers. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 3 20:52:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09030; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 20:50:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 20:50:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010304014855.60866.qmail@web9101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 17:48:55 -0800 (PST) From: John Malcolm Subject: Re: Jimi Hendrix To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <8EpHBC.A.vMC.J8Zo6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There is certainly a wider range of skill levels in rock than in Jazz, but the best rock players are up there with the best in chops. --- Jonathan Byerly wrote: > > I guess its all relative. > Classical Indian musicians traditionally > start studying their Ragas > all day every day from age four and start performing > in public in late > teens. > Jazz musicians start studying their > Bird/Monk/Miles/Trane etc, in > adolescence.All go through a period where they > practice three-to-four hours > a day for years and years. > In Rock, you generically "Pick up a guitar > and learn how to > play",(if that) and are performing before the next > verse. So I guess I > shouldn't be offended if rockpoprap artists don't > study their Hendrix or > have any clue about his influence on ALL the music > they are performing and > listening to. After all, rockpoprap is not music > anymore, it's marketing. > LOOK at any Rolling Stone or Biscuits, M&Ms, > kidrocks, (there's actually no > need to listen). > The fact that Jimi is still prominent in any > of your favorite Cd > stores says more about the resiliancy of humanity > than it does about Mr. > Hendrix. > There will be some who don't understand > this... > "I am what I am, Thank God, some people > just don't understand, > help them God" > -From Nothing > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 3 21:19:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09954; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 21:17:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 21:17:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AA1A6A2.1C45C5D@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 18:21:24 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: sine@zerocrossing.net Organization: ZeroCrossing Multimedia Design X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP plus GR-33 set up References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------07D58CE73AEE69EEF009D307" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------07D58CE73AEE69EEF009D307 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's the problem: > MIDI sounds from my GR-33. > there's no such thing as a "midi sound" midi is a symbolic language, like the text your reading. When I type dog I'm counting on you to to the work of imagining a dog. If I sent you a jpg of a dog, that's less symbolic, if I mailed you a real dog... well you get the idea. MIDI carries only information about when, how loud and what pitch a note is. The only actual "sound" (in the form of an alternating current) comes from the audio outputs, which will have to be mixed (I know the mix outs of the gr-30 do this) with your guitar sound, but you've got to plug your guitar output into the gk2A for this to work. Hope this helps, Spot --------------07D58CE73AEE69EEF009D307 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's the problem:
  
MIDI sounds from my GR-33.


there's no such thing as a "midi sound"  midi is a symbolic language, like the text your reading.  When I type

dog

I'm counting on you to to the work of imagining a dog.  If I sent you a jpg of a dog, that's less symbolic, if I mailed you a real dog... well you get the idea.  MIDI carries only information about when, how loud and what pitch a note is.  The only actual "sound" (in the form of an alternating current) comes from the audio outputs, which will have to be mixed (I know the mix outs of the gr-30 do this) with your guitar sound, but you've got to plug your guitar output into the gk2A for this to work.

Hope this helps,

Spot
  --------------07D58CE73AEE69EEF009D307-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 3 21:56:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10927; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 21:54:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 21:54:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <0056910010650516000002L162*@MHS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 18:52:25 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP input/output gain & distortion problems Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:31 AM -0800 3/2/01, Mark Hamburg wrote: >Ah, but I've already got one EDP and looping happily. So the question is >whether the route to stereo is get another EDP or to wait for a Repeater >(which is stereo in of itself) to use in addition to my EDP. How irritated >am I likely to be at changes in the behavior of the various EDP >generations? (I have a reasonably late generation Oberheim EDP.) hmm, I find it amazing that the fact that Gibson actually took the effort to improve their product could be a reason not to buy it. You guys are hard to please! :-) Another hardware change made to the input audio path on the new echoplexes is the addition of a limiter before the loop input. It's pretty much impossible to clip the loop input now, which should make a lot of people happy. I guess that could actually be perceived as a gain difference between older and newer, because if you were engaging a limiter on one but not the other it would definitely seem like different levels even if the knobs were in the same place. also as BrotherK mentions below, two or more echoplexes will let you do multiple loops of different lengths at the same time, sync'd in ratios or not at all, controlled by just you or several people, etc. That is not possible with a single echoplex or a single repeater. >(Kim could of course sweeten the pot by announcing that the new software is >just around the corner and that it does amazing things...) There is a software upgrade coming for the EDP, which will add a whole bunch of new features. As is our practice, we don't preannounce when it will be available or what exactly it will do. (that's suicide on this list, as electrix can attest to....) However, as with all currently unreleased products, it will do everything you can possibly imagine prior to actually shipping. At that point it will only do what it actually does. kim > >At 10:00 AM -0800 3/2/01, kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com wrote: >>Two EDPs will always be cool. Most important : you can either use them in >>true stereo, or brother sync'd >>but as two independent audio paths, completely unsycn'd, or brother sync'd >>in a serial audio path! >> >>The hookup possibilities are huge! >> >>And futhermore, a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, and the with >>EDPs you can actually make >>music now. With the Repeater you can only think about making music! >> >>Brother K ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 4 02:14:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA18658; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 01:58:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 01:58:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000301c0a479$164829c0$02936fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <04b501c0a004$17a6e1e0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <0e4401c0a05c$21c8d860$080210ac@jpalmer> <05c201c0a0ca$fc5af030$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <000201c0a10a$1c7ef0c0$9db06fd4@y5w2s5> <088401c0a32f$86646250$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: Looper Construction Kit (was Re: 1U PC for Kyma) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 06:47:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <_oPI6.A._iE.Xdeo6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok Dennis, I'm hooked. What's the next step in releasing this veritable cornucopia of looping contraptions to the rest of the world ? Actually, I really think you should have this beta tested first and I happen to know this Welsh bloke who would be prepared to put it through its paces -FREE OF CHARGE : ) Gareth > > One more thing - Can you insert stuff into feedback loops : ) > > Yes! Several ways. You can circulate the loop from a playback Sound, > through a signal twister of your own devise, and back to an overdubbing > recorder. Also, the sample points are held in a wavetable. So you can > mutate the sound as it lies there defenseless. You can have multiple > mutagens, of course. You can extract features of one sound (loop) and use > them to mutant another loop, etc. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 4 02:50:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA19615; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 02:33:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 02:33:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004201c0a432$14d50a00$ea0a3e3f@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 23:28:59 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: midi -- looping -- effects Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id CAA19569 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the ones I know of are: digitech PMC-10, rocktron AllAccess, roland FC-200, yamaha MFC-10, lake butler midigator, and the phil rees pedal. kim At 2:34 PM -0800 3/3/01, Petr wrote: >I know that a lot had been said about good/bad midi footcontrollers >here. But even after searching thoroughly the LD archives I still >don't find the information I really need right now: > >What footcontroller can I buy, which would be good for controlling >several effects + EDP at once? I find many comments on LD about not >good footcontrollers -- but which ones are good? I want something on >which I could program individual switches to send different program >changes on different channels, and the switches would be programmable >as momentary. Quality, relibility and availability are more important >than $. > >Is anyone using any specific footcontroller which would be able of >that -- and be currently produced and available? > >_________________________________________ >Petr Dol·k >music * poetry >guitar * looping * percussion >petr@tryi.com >www.geocities.com/pepetr ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 4 02:59:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA20146; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 02:57:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 02:57:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001201c0a406$141a4980$99990fce@com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 23:55:04 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP Undo Function Resent-Message-ID: <8aepGC.A.E6E.2Ufo6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:16 AM -0800 3/3/01, Stephen Bradley and Kristen Chamberlin wrote: > One of the dilemmas I face in looking at the EDP is the memory >constraint on the Undo function. As I understand it >from the EDP >manual, Undo only works if you're total memory usage is less than 50% of >the unit's capacity. you have to have enough memory available to store previous versions of whatever you are doing so that you can undo back to them. > Have people found this constraint to be problematic >in using / performing with the EDP? If so, how have you addressed or >resolved that (aside from the obvious.......keeping any loop(s) you want >to Undo under 1.5 mins. To me, this limits the "true capacity" of the >machine to 1.5 minutes of looping time, if I want to edit loops or >correct mistakes as I create them. Is that a misconception on my part? that is true. the memory available can be used by you in different ways. you can keep enough left over for more undo's, or more loops, or just have a really long loop. Do you really expect to be creating loops 2 minutes long? I suppose there are many applications for loops, but that seems like a lot of attention span to ask of your listeners. It will probably take 3 or 4 repetitions before they can even determine that it is a loop. Think about it: Record 2 minute loop, let loop play as you overdub another 2 minutes, then let that play as you noodle a bit for the next 2 minutes, then undo the overdub and listen to the original 2 minute loop again. 8 minutes have passed, how much audience is still paying attention? Not me....I'd be at the bar long before that.... Most people use much shorter loops, which gives them much more depth for undo. > Also, is the Overdub function also limited by memory, or is it >unlimited, as with the Jamman? overdub is unlimited. You can add more stuff to the loop as long as you want, memory size does not matter. If you have enough memory space, you can undo multiple layers of overdubs all the way back to the beginning. >And in terms of using the EDP as a >digital delay, are people generally satisfied with that, say in >comparison with the Jamman (which is a really nice delay, imho). In delay mode, the echoplex is more like a regular delay than the jamman as far as I know. Tap a delay time, the time is dispayed on the screen. The input is open so anything you play goes into the delay and gets repeated, just as with a normal delay. The feedback knob controls delay feedback, as you expect. The feedback pedal input actually controls delay input volume, which gives you an easy way to decide what goes into the delay at what volume, and what doesn't go in at all, by engaging the volume pedal. The overdub acts as a hold button, so pressing it sets feedback to 100% and the input to the delay line is closed, just like hold on a normal delay. Otherwise, all other echoplex features are available as they are in loop mode. So in actuality, delay mode and loop mode on the echoplex are not that different from each other. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 4 06:59:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA25173; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 06:55:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 06:55:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010e01c0a4a1$e4fdc4a0$737ee383@eihms.surrey.ac.uk> Reply-To: "Michael P. Hughes, PhD" From: "Michael P. Hughes, PhD" To: Andre Lafosse , Loopers-Delight Cc: Hedewa7 References: <3AA0096E.B21FE631@altruistmusic.com> Subject: Re: Teuffel guitars Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 11:54:39 -0000 Organization: University of Surrey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hedewa7@aol.com wrote:> > i've commissioned a Teuffel Tesla gtr, w/6-strings & a TransTrem & some very > > personalised electronics. Am I missing something? I can't find record of recieving this email... I know this is drifting off-topic, but to those who've tried the Teuffel Birdfish... how much difference do the resonance tubes make, shifting around what must be a fairly abstract tonal centre? As I said recently I do some work on guitar acoustics, and the birdfist is one of the things tat made me interested in the whole field. I think what Teuffel do is great, but whilst I'm sure their varying the woods in the bars will make a difference, I would expect it to be dominated by the metal bits and bolt-on construction. Incidentally, dt, doesn't that seemlingly huge upper bout get in the way on the Tesla? Mike (yes, I know it's off-topic, but this is my living...!) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 4 07:40:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA26390; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 07:39:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 07:39:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010304073828.007cc660@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 07:38:28 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Teuffel guitars/sociomusicology In-Reply-To: <010e01c0a4a1$e4fdc4a0$737ee383@eihms.surrey.ac.uk> References: <3AA0096E.B21FE631@altruistmusic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Knitting two recent OT threads together, has a rather interesting essay on the history of the electric guitar that uses words like 'bourgeois' and phrases like 'I simply stayed up all night one time and taught myself how to play." Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 4 08:49:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA27671; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 08:48:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 08:48:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <020401c0a4b1$62af5bc0$9eaa5cd1@-> To: From: "Bill Fox" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #206 Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 08:45:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed with a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #206 March 1, 2001. RECAP: On this show, I began a month-long focus on Robert Scott Thompson, an Associate Professor of Music at Georgia State University in Atlanta where he is also the director of CARA, the Center for Audio Recording Arts. Robert has releases in several genres on many labels. The feature CD at Midnight was "Blue Day" on his own Aucourant label. I also played the music of Kit Watkins who will perform at the next Gathering. Robert Scott Thompson http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2001/focus01.html#mar Kit Watkins at the Gathering http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Kit Watkins The Impulse of Flow Kinetic Vapors (mp3.com) vidnaObmana Challenging Boundaries Subterranean Collective (Projekt) Radio Massacre Int'l. Send-off Republic (Centaur) Steve Roach Flow Stone Early Man (Projekt) Pete Namlook & Possible Gardens reprise Possible Gardens (FAX) Peter Prochir Thomas Ronkin Et In Secula Seculorum Symmetric (Tristissima) 12:00 am Robert Scott Thompson Origin Blue Day (Aucourant) Robert Scott Thompson Lattice Blue Day (Aucourant) Robert Scott Thompson Illusion of Orderly Blue Day (Aucourant) Progress Robert Scott Thompson Sign and Symbol Blue Day (Aucourant) Robert Scott Thompson Lament Blue Day (Aucourant) Robert Scott Thompson Blue Day * Blue Day (Aucourant) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Dr. Robert Scott Thompson. Next week's feature CD at midnight will be "The Silent Shore" on the Mirage label. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 4 10:14:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29501; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 10:11:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 10:11:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <91.7ac71c8.27d3b4f7@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 10:10:47 EST Subject: Re: EDP Undo Function To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com afaik: there is *no* undo function on a jamman; if yer choice 'twixt a jamman & an EDP is gonna be based upon functionality, then the EDP clearly 'wins'. dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 4 14:48:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02859; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 14:44:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 14:44:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <016901c0a4e3$b612f100$412cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Subject: Steve discovers feedback... Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 19:43:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <-vVIC.A.Hs.5rpo6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ...of the loop kind, not the Jimi kind... ...just been playing with the MPX-G2 JamMan function and discovered how to control the loop feedback via the R1 expression pedal - this is going to be fun. After playing on Friday night with David Friesen, I was really taken with some of the stuff he did with evolving loops (as DT was talking about the other day), so decided to investigate the possibilities. At the moment, I'm kind of feeling my way gingerly, and not that sure how I'm going to impliment it, but the possibilities for what I do are great - I've only really used the looper in the G2 for melody stuff over other loops up til now, but now I've added a pitch shift and a leslie effect to the patch, so I can switch those in and out without losing the loop... much fun will be had - sorry Mr Leheman, I haven't fully got to grips with the stuff I've got, so no more toys for me for a while! :o) Steve web-site - www.steve-lawson.co.uk e-mail - steve@steve-lawson.co.uk mailing list - steve-lawson-subscribe@listbot.com "Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight, You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight" - Bruce Cockburn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 4 18:02:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07790; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 17:57:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 17:57:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: DORIANTOO@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 17:56:08 EST Subject: Re: Steve discovers feedback... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Resent-Message-ID: <9QFlRB.A.R5B.xgso6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What additional jamman extras or updates are you working with, outside the 32 sec upgrade?Ive got one and havent done much other than loops on the fly live,progressions to play over and such . am I missing anything, extras wise? REESE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 4 18:03:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08238; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 17:59:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 17:59:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.192.219.2] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Pre and Post sampling a loop (read on) Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 22:58:43 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Mar 2001 22:58:43.0684 (UTC) FILETIME=[A962B240:01C0A4FE] Resent-Message-ID: <4ATdKB.A.kAC.Cjso6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey y'all- I had this idea the other night about how my dream looper would work. It would sit there recording material and filling up its buffer with the last few seconds of sound it heard. Then when the record button is pressed, it saves say the last 100ms of sound just before the button-press (call this segment A). Then, when the loop is closed (say by pressing the record button again), it saves 100ms more data after the button press(call this segment B). It would then ramp up the volume smoothly of segment A and overdub this onto the end of the loop - leading into the beginning. It would then ramp down the volume of segment B and add it to the beginning of the loop - easing out of the ending. With this teqnique, a really smooth loop could be created without any blip at the transition point. Of course in an ideal world there would be full control over how much pre and post sampling would be done and what kind of volume fading would be used. Maybe there is already a way to do this? If not, how about adding this to the next EDP software upgrade:) bye- jon _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 4 18:51:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09243; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 18:47:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 18:47:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 15:45:20 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Pre and Post sampling a loop (read on) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The echoplex already uses basically this technique to make smooth loops. No need for an upgrade! It also detects whether you are actually playing anything at the point where you close the loop, so it knows whether to overdub this quick x-fade into the beginning of the loop or not. kim At 2:58 PM -0800 3/4/01, Jon Wagner wrote: >Hey y'all- > I had this idea the other night about how my dream looper would work. It >would sit there recording material and filling up its buffer with the last >few seconds of sound it heard. Then when the record button is pressed, it >saves say the last 100ms of sound just before the button-press (call this >segment A). Then, when the loop is closed (say by pressing the record >button again), it saves 100ms more data after the button press(call this >segment B). It would then ramp up the volume smoothly of segment A and >overdub this onto the end of the loop - leading into the beginning. It >would then ramp down the volume of segment B and add it to the beginning of >the loop - easing out of the ending. With this teqnique, a really smooth >loop could be created without any blip at the transition point. > Of course in an ideal world there would be full control over how much pre >and post sampling would be done and what kind of volume fading would be >used. > Maybe there is already a way to do this? If not, how about adding this to >the next EDP software upgrade:) >bye- >jon >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 4 19:59:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11452; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 19:55:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 19:55:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010305005520.28040.qmail@web3507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 16:55:20 -0800 (PST) From: robert deveaux Subject: Post: Wanted: a used zendrum To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Please contact me if you have or know of a used zendrum for sale. 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Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 4 20:07:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11939; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 19:59:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 19:59:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AA2E543.C37A1BCE@virtulink.com> Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 20:00:51 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: contains looping content Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4gKk8.A.I0C.RTuo6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://microtones.com NEW RELEASE! Jon Catler's 'Evolution for Electric Guitar and Orchestra' is now available from FreeNote Records. Performed in 62-Tone Just Intonation, this four movement symphonic work builds from sustained Harmonic resonance, to tight unison passages, to driving tribal rythmns, leading to a high-paced finale. Conducted by Grammy award winner Joel Thome (Frank Zappa, Steve Vai) and led by Catler's 62-note per octave guitar, the orchestra features some of New York's top musicians in a daring, landmark work. Instrumentation: 2 Just Intonation guitars, 2 violins, viola, cello, upright bass, electric JI bass, percussion, and 2 vocalists, all in 13-limit Harmonic Series tuning. If you're interested in hearing the evolution of tuning and what can be done with the Harmonic Series in 2001, get this CD. This is a Limited Edition pressing. To order, send $15 check or money order payable to: FreeNote Records 2350 Broadway #240 NY, NY 10024 -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 5 06:00:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA24670; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 05:57:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 05:57:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003701c0a563$7aea61a0$4d624442@austin.rr.com> From: "Jimmy George" To: Subject: Austin Texas - Thursday March the 8th, SXSW + Photos & More! Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 05:00:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jimmy George To: Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 4:54 AM Subject: Thursday March the 8th, SXSW + Photos & More! > Hello my little web dwelling Mousebears ... > > Here are two shows and some JGA update information below: > > This Thursday March the 8th at Ruta Maya, 4th and Lavaca, Austin Texas > Jimmy George's Looping Extravaganza! > Show time 9:30 to 11:30pm > Featuring FREE Little Debbie snack cakes for the first 9 thousand people at > the door. > Also stupid door prizes for anyone who actually brings a live goat dressed > as David Hess of Woodwork. > > ALSO ... > > SXSW Sunday March the 18th at Ruta Maya > Jimmy George's Extra Special Looping Extravaganza! > Featuring a dozen dancing field mice and one semi drunk mister hanky. > Show time is 12 noon to 2pm. > I hope you can make it out! This will be the last day of the SXSW festival! > > ALSO... > > Other Jimmy George Arts updates accessible through the 'News' page inside > http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com include: > > The BigEye Photography Gallery - specializing in ALL your photography needs. > The People's Art Gallery - NOW TAKING YOUR SUBMISSIONS!! > The Featured Artist of the Month - This month it is the wonderful and > talented Melody Taylor! > > Jimmy George Arts has taken on a complete overhaul. Gone is the Java art > applet that was cool but took so long to load into the home page. Content > and easy accessibility to all of the JGA features and services is our > number one priority. Let me know of any suggestions you may have as you go > through the site. I encourage your comments and hope that you enjoy the new > and much improved Jimmy George Arts. There will be new additions and updates > on a day to day bases so keep checking back. Including the resurrection of > the Justin Sane Publication ... > > Thanks for your continued support! > > Wishing you all well in peace, > > Jimmy George > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 5 14:39:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03565; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 14:28:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 14:28:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAED2@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: icons Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 14:25:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0A5A9.F8CCA0B0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0A5A9.F8CCA0B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" well, i had to (really) work during the whole jimi thang, but i still want to chime in (i.e., flog the dead and decomposed horse) and add a few random thoughts to the jimi mix . . . even though i was buying the hendrix albums when they were first coming out, i too have a little problem with the deification aspect of what has happened to the hendrix myth/image. (though i'd say that, in my opinion, he's way more deserving of the demi-god status than is jim morrison.) that being said, i believe that it's no different from people making cultural icons out of people like beethoven or wagner or mahler or armstrong or parker or coltrane or fripp, etc.; the innovative/revolutionary/visionary personality/style becomes the new status quo. people often don't react to the SPIRIT of what the person did, but rather to the actual PRODUCT. in other words the message isn't the message, the medium is the message. (i think that when one looks at much of what passes for religion in this world, one will find the same sort of process; it's human nature) this is becoming more and more prevalent in our overly commercalized world (?). still, the value is still there if one can get beyond the calicification and fossilization of those who only live in the nostalgic haze and cannot live in the now. a rather lame way of saying get over your parent's generation being stuck in only what they listened to in their youth and find out if there IS value for you in things from the past - - or not. historically there has always been a "culture war" between factions extolling the old and the new: ars nova versus ars antigua is the first instance that i can put my finger on - - and that was in the 13th century or so. it has continued up to the present. the burns documentary on jazz could be seen as a 10-part manifesto of such a "warring" faction. re kid rock having a 10-cd box retrospective, i seriously doubt that he'll even put out 4 cds total, he pretty much feels like a novelty act to me. korn and limp bizcit, on the other hand, probably will have multi-cd sets when they're old and grey. and some kids will think that they're dinosaurs too - - and they will be, they'll be playing vegas at the hard rock cafe. it always blows me away when i meet people in their 20s who are really into "classic rock" - - hendrix, zepplin, et al - - and not into any of the new stuff. i always want to say, yeah that shit was great for its time, but there's a lot of great stuff happening right now, too. gustav mahler to johannes brahms while looking at the whorls of water coming down a brook after having a meal together: "which is the last wave?" stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0A5A9.F8CCA0B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable icons

well, i had to (really) work during the whole jimi = thang, but i still want to chime in (i.e., flog the dead and decomposed = horse) and add a few random thoughts to the jimi mix . . .

even though i was buying the hendrix albums when they = were first coming out, i too have a little problem with the deification = aspect of what has happened to the hendrix myth/image. (though i'd say = that, in my opinion, he's way more deserving of the demi-god status = than is jim morrison.)

that being said, i believe that it's no different = from people making cultural icons out of people like beethoven or = wagner or mahler or armstrong or parker or coltrane or fripp, etc.; the = innovative/revolutionary/visionary personality/style becomes the new = status quo. people often don't react to the SPIRIT of what the person = did, but rather to the actual PRODUCT. in other words the message isn't = the message, the medium is the message. (i think that when one looks at = much of what passes for religion in this world, one will find the same = sort of process; it's human nature) this is becoming more and more = prevalent in our overly commercalized world (?).

still, the value is still there if one can get beyond = the calicification and fossilization of those who only live in the = nostalgic haze and cannot live in the now. a rather lame way of saying = get over your parent's generation being stuck in only what they = listened to in their youth and find out if there IS value for you in = things from the past - - or not.

historically there has always been a "culture = war" between factions extolling the old and the new: ars nova = versus ars antigua is the first instance that i can put my finger on - = - and that was in the 13th century or so. it has continued up to the = present. the burns documentary on jazz could be seen as a 10-part = manifesto of such a "warring" faction.

re kid rock having a 10-cd box retrospective, i = seriously doubt that he'll even put out 4 cds total, he pretty much = feels like a novelty act to me. korn and limp bizcit, on the other = hand, probably will have multi-cd sets when they're old and grey. and = some kids will think that they're dinosaurs too  - - and they will = be, they'll be playing vegas at the hard rock cafe.

it always blows me away when i meet people in their = 20s who are really into "classic rock" - - hendrix, zepplin, = et al - - and not into any of the new stuff. i always want to say, yeah = that shit was great for its time, but there's a lot of great stuff = happening right now, too.

gustav mahler to johannes brahms while looking at the = whorls of water coming down a brook after having a meal together: = "which is the last wave?"

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C0A5A9.F8CCA0B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 5 16:29:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06729; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 16:26:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 16:26:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAED9@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: DAVID LEE MYERS review from downtown music gallery Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 16:23:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0A5BA.7F1E34C0" Resent-Message-ID: <_InMv.A.XoB._PAp6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0A5BA.7F1E34C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" howdy . . . thought that i'd pass along a review/sales promo of our own mister myers. it's from dmg in nyc. 14.DAVID LEE MYERS-Ourobouros (pulsewidth 01) I remember seeing Arcane Device (David Myers) play his feedback looping box over a decade ago and being amazed by the sound of sculpted feedback that it produced at one of his rare sets. There were some half dozen releases and collaborations on albums, CDs and even a rare double 7". Mr. Myers eventually took his device apart and retired from music making for almost a decade. Recently David puts a new feedback looping device together, started his own label and has just released this fascinating CD 'Ourobouros' - it is great to have him back. The twelve tracks here are not named but do weave through a variety of subtle electronic textures. The sounds on the first track are rather like birds chirping, bowed cymbals, tape manipulation, soft hand percussion and similar sonorous tapestry. There are sounds that repeat but never for very long before they evolve into slightly different textures. There is quite a bit of high-end squeaking which would probably makes dogs howl and many of the sounds seem to be vibrating and slowly changing into something else. After reading through the Forced Exposure (one of our distributors) weekly new release catalogue, I have noticed that there is a movement towards stripped down electronics - thanks to Otomo, the MIMEO collective and numerous Erstwhile sound explorers. Myers seems to fit right in, since his music is all electronics based and seems to use little or no sampled sounds. Track 3 sounds as if he is sampling a crackly old record, but maybe not. The sounds here expand and contract slowly, they bubble and whirl and cautiously get more dense in sections, yet inevitably return to silence. Is that the sound of scissors snipping or the chirping of electronic insects? It really doesn't matter since all of this sonic scenery is so engaging and filled with suspense. Some of these alien transmissions take some getting used to, but this is quite a fascinating blend of sonic architecture. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0A5BA.7F1E34C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" icons

howdy . . . thought that i'd pass along a review/sales promo of our own mister myers. it's from dmg in nyc.

 14.DAVID LEE MYERS-Ourobouros (pulsewidth 01) I remember seeing

Arcane Device (David Myers) play his feedback looping box over a

decade ago and being amazed by the sound of sculpted feedback that it

produced at one of his rare sets. There were some half dozen

releases and collaborations on albums, CDs and even a rare double 7".

Mr. Myers eventually took his device apart and retired from music

making for almost a decade. Recently David puts a new feedback

looping device together, started his own label and has just released

this fascinating CD 'Ourobouros' - it is great to have him back. The

twelve tracks here are not named but do weave through a variety of

subtle electronic textures. The sounds on the first track are rather

like birds chirping, bowed cymbals, tape manipulation, soft hand

percussion and similar sonorous tapestry. There are sounds that

repeat but never for very long before they evolve into slightly

different textures. There is quite a bit of high-end squeaking which

would probably makes dogs howl and many of the sounds seem to be

vibrating and slowly changing into something else. After reading

through the Forced Exposure (one of our distributors) weekly new

release catalogue, I have noticed that there is a movement towards

stripped down electronics - thanks to Otomo, the MIMEO collective and

numerous Erstwhile sound explorers. Myers seems to fit right in,

since his music is all electronics based and seems to use little or

no sampled sounds. Track 3 sounds as if he is sampling a crackly old

record, but maybe not. The sounds here expand and contract slowly,

they bubble and whirl and cautiously get more dense in sections, yet

inevitably return to silence. Is that the sound of scissors snipping

or the chirping of electronic insects? It really doesn't matter

since all of this sonic scenery is so engaging and filled with

suspense. Some of these alien transmissions take some getting used

to, but this is quite a fascinating blend of sonic architecture.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C0A5BA.7F1E34C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 5 17:06:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08547; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 17:03:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 17:03:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AA40C95.EE90C70A@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 14:01:51 -0800 X-Sybari-Trust: 671ecc78 050014e1 00000000 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Digitech 2120 and looping (Belewps) References: <3AA2E543.C37A1BCE@virtulink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey boys and girls, I heard (not sure where) that the Digitech 2120 did on the fly sampling and backward loopage ala Adrian Belew's "Belewps" I recently upgraded my 2112 to a 2120 v2.1, but I can't find a mention of these effects anywhere in the manual or on line. Anyone have any info on such things? Thanks, Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 5 17:17:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08918; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 17:16:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 17:16:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002d01c0a5c1$c892a9e0$b883abd4@a6d4z2> From: "Luca" To: References: <3AA2E543.C37A1BCE@virtulink.com> <3AA40C95.EE90C70A@zerocrossing.net> Subject: R: Digitech 2120 and looping (Belewps) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 23:15:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't know on 2112 and 2120, but on their grand-father 2101 there are two modules that can be used for that: a 2" delay and a 5" sampler. They can both be organized to have a CC control the feedback amount to 100% (loop). It is quite easy to build up a new custom algorithm using the modules at disposal. Hope this is possible with 2112/2120. Plus, take a look here: http://www.synthzone.com/digitech.htm and have fun ! Luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 5 17:24:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09159; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 17:22:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 17:22:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003301c0a5c2$9298cda0$b883abd4@a6d4z2> From: "Luca" To: "Loop" Subject: switching off with mains Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 23:21:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One question I have never had the chance to ask to professional electronic developers: How bad is it to switch on/off electronic/digital processors (not recorders) with the main switcher ? I mean, keeping their front panel's switch always on and use the studio's general one ? Thanks for clearing an arcane. Luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 5 20:44:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14447; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 20:42:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 20:42:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: RGBLA@aol.com Message-ID: <7c.127b8bf8.27d59a26@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 20:40:54 EST Subject: Cancel Subsciption To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Please cancel my membership to loopers delight. Thank, Roger B. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 5 20:59:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14860; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 20:56:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 20:56:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AA44479.3ACE01A4@minds-eye.org> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 17:59:22 -0800 From: Kevin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech 2120 and looping (Belewps) References: <3AA2E543.C37A1BCE@virtulink.com> <3AA40C95.EE90C70A@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Go to Digitech.com and download the manual for the RPS 21. Same effects, different box. Now that you have the 2120 v2.1 you can have a 10 second loop in the right channel and a 10 second loop in the left channel. Have fun (I am) Kevin Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Hey boys and girls, > > I heard (not sure where) that the Digitech 2120 did on the fly sampling > and backward loopage ala Adrian Belew's "Belewps" I recently upgraded my > 2112 to a 2120 v2.1, but I can't find a mention of these effects anywhere > in the manual or on line. Anyone have any info on such things? > > Thanks, > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 5 21:12:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15666; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 21:10:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 21:10:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 21:09:56 -0500 Subject: Re: DAVID LEE MYERS review from downtown music gallery From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAED9@migarexch01.maritz.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3066671397_73780_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3066671397_73780_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thanks Steuart-- Bruce Lee Gallanter at Downtown Music is a great guy. I wonder where you found this review; he didn't mention it to me. BTW, I'll be doing an in-store performance there on April 29, following my first gig in 10 years at Tonic here in NYC with Elliott Sharp and some others... will spam the list when the time comes, of course. David Lee Myers pulsewidth.com ----------------------------------------------------- "Ourobouros" CD of new Feedback Music available now on Pulsewidth! In NYC at Downtown Music, Kim's Mondo, and Other Music, and through Forced Exposure, Anomalous, Wayside, Electronic Music Foundation, Recommended, and Staalplaat. on 3/5/01 4:23 PM, Liebig, Steuart A. at Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com wrote: howdy . . . thought that i'd pass along a review/sales promo of our own mister myers. it's from dmg in nyc. 14.DAVID LEE MYERS-Ourobouros (pulsewidth 01) I remember seeing Arcane Device (David Myers) play his feedback looping box over a decade ago and being amazed by the sound of sculpted feedback that it produced at one of his rare sets. There were some half dozen releases and collaborations on albums, CDs and even a rare double 7". Mr. Myers eventually took his device apart and retired from music making for almost a decade. Recently David puts a new feedback looping device together, started his own label and has just released this fascinating CD 'Ourobouros' - it is great to have him back. The twelve tracks here are not named but do weave through a variety of subtle electronic textures. The sounds on the first track are rather like birds chirping, bowed cymbals, tape manipulation, soft hand percussion and similar sonorous tapestry. There are sounds that repeat but never for very long before they evolve into slightly different textures. There is quite a bit of high-end squeaking which would probably makes dogs howl and many of the sounds seem to be vibrating and slowly changing into something else. After reading through the Forced Exposure (one of our distributors) weekly new release catalogue, I have noticed that there is a movement towards stripped down electronics - thanks to Otomo, the MIMEO collective and numerous Erstwhile sound explorers. Myers seems to fit right in, since his music is all electronics based and seems to use little or no sampled sounds. Track 3 sounds as if he is sampling a crackly old record, but maybe not. The sounds here expand and contract slowly, they bubble and whirl and cautiously get more dense in sections, yet inevitably return to silence. Is that the sound of scissors snipping or the chirping of electronic insects? It really doesn't matter since all of this sonic scenery is so engaging and filled with suspense. Some of these alien transmissions take some getting used to, but this is quite a fascinating blend of sonic architecture. --MS_Mac_OE_3066671397_73780_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: DAVID LEE MYERS review from downtown music gallery Thanks Steuart--  Bruce Lee Gallanter at Downtown Music is a great guy= .  I wonder where you found this review; he didn't mention it to me. &n= bsp;BTW, I'll be doing an in-store performance there on April 29, following = my first gig in 10 years at Tonic here in NYC with Elliott Sharp and some ot= hers... will spam the list when the time comes, of course.

David Lee Myers
pulsewidth.com
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"Ourobouros" CD of new Feedback Music available now on Pulsewidth= !
In NYC at Downtown Music, Kim's Mondo, and Other Music, and through Forced = Exposure, Anomalous, Wayside, Electronic Music Foundation, Recommended, and = Staalplaat.



on 3/5/01 4:23 PM, Liebig, Steuart A. at Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com wrote:

howdy . . . thought= that i'd pass along a review/sales promo of our own mister myers. it's from= dmg in nyc.

14.DAVID LEE MYERS-Ourobouros (pulsewidth 01) I remember se= eing

Arcane Device (David Myers) play his feedback looping box ov= er a

decade ago and being amazed by the sound of sculpted feedbac= k that it

produced at one of his rare sets. There were some half dozen=

releases and collaborations on albums, CDs and even a rare d= ouble 7".

Mr. Myers eventually took his device apart and retired from = music

making for almost a decade. Recently David puts a new feedba= ck

looping device together, started his own label and has just = released

this fascinating CD 'Ourobouros' - it is great to have him b= ack. The

twelve tracks here are not named but do weave through a vari= ety of

subtle electronic textures. The sounds on the first track ar= e rather

like birds chirping, bowed cymbals, tape manipulation, soft = hand

percussion and similar sonorous tapestry. There are sounds t= hat

repeat but never for very long before they evolve into sligh= tly

different textures. There is quite a bit of high-end squeaki= ng which

would probably makes dogs howl and many of the sounds seem t= o be

vibrating and slowly changing into something else. After rea= ding

through the Forced Exposure (one of our distributors) weekly= new

release catalogue, I have noticed that there is a movement t= owards

stripped down electronics - thanks to Otomo, the MIMEO colle= ctive and

numerous Erstwhile sound explorers. Myers seems to fit right= in,

since his music is all electronics based and seems to use li= ttle or

no sampled sounds. Track 3 sounds as if he is sampling a cra= ckly old

record, but maybe not. The sounds here expand and contract s= lowly,

they bubble and whirl and cautiously get more dense in secti= ons, yet

inevitably return to silence. Is that the sound of scissors = snipping

or the chirping of electronic insects? It really doesn't mat= ter

since all of this sonic scenery is so engaging and filled wi= th

suspense. Some of these alien transmissions take some gettin= g used

to, but this is quite a fascinating blend of sonic architect= ure.

--MS_Mac_OE_3066671397_73780_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 5 21:24:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16090; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 21:23:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 21:23:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAEE0@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: DAVID LEE MYERS review from downtown music gallery Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 21:21:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0A5E4.2CCBE3A0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0A5E4.2CCBE3A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" it was on the latest dmg newsletter - - number 53? you can probably find it at their web site. stig Thanks Steuart-- Bruce Lee Gallanter at Downtown Music is a great guy. I wonder where you found this review; he didn't mention it to me. BTW, I'll be doing an in-store performance there on April 29, following my first gig in 10 years at Tonic here in NYC with Elliott Sharp and some others... will spam the list when the time comes, of course. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0A5E4.2CCBE3A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Re: DAVID LEE MYERS review from downtown music gallery
it was on the latest dmg newsletter - - number 53? you can probably find it at their web site.
 
stig
 
Thanks Steuart--  Bruce Lee Gallanter at Downtown Music is a great guy.  I wonder where you found this review; he didn't mention it to me.  BTW, I'll be doing an in-store performance there on April 29, following my first gig in 10 years at Tonic here in NYC with Elliott Sharp and some others... will spam the list when the time comes, of course.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C0A5E4.2CCBE3A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 5 21:31:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16329; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 21:29:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 21:29:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003b01c0a5e4$69f40460$3d141d3f@oemcomputer> From: "Petr" To: Subject: Re: Digitech 2120 and looping (Belewps) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 19:23:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <2BLgKC.A.B_D.EuEp6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have 2120 and enjoy the 10 sec loops as well. However, I haven't come accross any way how to reverse the loop with this machine. What you can do easily though is to change the loops' pitch times with a click in various ways, and it's a lot of fun. _________________________________________ Petr Dolák music * poetry guitar * looping * percussion www.geocities.com/pepetr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 5 21:44:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16706; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 21:42:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 21:42:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001401c0a5e7$18285a20$fc518218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: "Loopers List" Subject: OT: Leibig show Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 18:42:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone go to the show Sunday night? I was unable to- interested to hear about it- turntables and all- cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 5 21:59:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17062; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 21:57:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 21:57:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AA4520A.78D67143@cloud9.net> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 21:57:14 -0500 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: zendrum References: <200103060212.VAA15735@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, I want one of these too. I just let one slip between my fingers on ebay :( Ah well. Elby > Subject: Post: Wanted: a used zendrum > Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 16:55:20 -0800 (PST) > From: robert deveaux > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Please contact me if you have or know of a used > zendrum for sale. > Thanks! > > __ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 6 00:49:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA21464; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 00:47:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 00:47:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Aphrofunk@aol.com Message-ID: <6a.be0111e.27d5d380@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 00:45:36 EST Subject: Cancel Subsciption To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com please cancel my subscritpion. Thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 6 05:20:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA28609; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 05:15:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 05:15:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01bf01c0a625$ffc3d9c0$737ee383@eihms.surrey.ac.uk> Reply-To: "Michael P. Hughes, PhD" From: "Michael P. Hughes, PhD" To: Kevin , Loopers-Delight References: <3AA44479.3ACE01A4@minds-eye.org> Subject: Re: Digitech 2120 and looping (Belewps) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 10:12:48 -0000 Organization: University of Surrey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Go to Digitech.com and download the manual for the RPS 21. Same effects,> different box. Now that you have the 2120 v2.1 you can have a 10 second loop > in the right channel and a 10 second loop in the left channel. Have fun (I > am) Sadly, according to the online manual, the RP21 tops out at 1.4 seconds. Pity... again, if the 21 had 10 seconds I'd consider getting one just to use as a looper (w/ onboard fx) Mike From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 6 09:01:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA32674; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 08:57:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 08:57:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <6a.bdfb5d2.27d6464f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 08:55:27 EST Subject: Re: DAVID LEE MYERS review from downtown music gallery To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com dlm, when is your performance, at tonic? best, dt / s-c >BTW, I'll >be doing an in-store performance there on April 29, following my first >gig >in 10 years at Tonic here in NYC with Elliott Sharp and some others... >will >spam the list when the time comes, of course. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 6 10:09:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02215; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 10:05:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 10:05:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005701c0a64e$851b6980$737ee383@eihms.surrey.ac.uk> Reply-To: "Michael P. Hughes, PhD" From: "Michael P. Hughes, PhD" To: Loopers-Delight Cc: Matthias Grob References: <3AA0096E.B21FE631@altruistmusic.com> Subject: OT: guitars again Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 15:02:51 -0000 Organization: University of Surrey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As I mentioned, I'm involved in guitar mechanics and a snippet of that hasbeen broadcast on the BBC world service, archived here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/arts/features/theedge/thelab.shtml (warning - this programme is aimed at teenagers. Expect no rocket science) This email can be made loop oriented by pressing "play continuously" on your Real Player! Mike From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 6 11:21:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03912; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 11:14:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 11:14:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AA50CD2.4E888094@minds-eye.org> Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 08:14:10 -0800 From: Kevin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Michael P. Hughes, PhD" CC: Loopers-Delight Subject: Re: Digitech 2120 and looping (Belewps) References: <3AA44479.3ACE01A4@minds-eye.org> <01bf01c0a625$ffc3d9c0$737ee383@eihms.surrey.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's odd, the page I downloaded for the RP21D (maybe that's the difference?) from Digitech clearly has long delay (10 second) and the Reverse and TimeWarp features listed. Kevin "Michael P. Hughes, PhD" wrote: > > Go to Digitech.com and download the manual for the RPS 21. Same effects,> different box. Now that you have the 2120 v2.1 you can have a 10 second > loop > > in the right channel and a 10 second loop in the left channel. Have fun > (I > > am) > > Sadly, according to the online manual, the RP21 tops out at 1.4 seconds. > Pity... again, if the 21 had 10 seconds I'd consider getting one just to use > as a looper (w/ onboard fx) > > Mike From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 6 11:39:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04308; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 11:34:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 11:34:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 11:33:42 -0500 Subject: Re: DAVID LEE MYERS review from downtown music gallery From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6a.bdfb5d2.27d6464f@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com dt: It's on March 25--looks like Oscar night. Great, maybe we'll have a snowstorm like this one too and I won't have to worry about any stage fright problems! With Elliott, Tom Dimuzio, and a member of the Hub whose name keeps escaping me; separate sets.... BTW, just yesterday I went on a search for OAH with no luck. Thought you had mentioned Tower had it; not even a divider card. OM is out of stock. I'll ski over to Downtown if they have it. David Lee Myers pulsewidth.com ----------------------------------------------------- "Ourobouros" CD of new Feedback Music available now on Pulsewidth! In NYC at Downtown Music, Kim's Mondo, and Other Music, and through Forced Exposure, Anomalous, Wayside, Electronic Music Foundation, Recommended, and Staalplaat. on 3/6/01 8:55 AM, Hedewa7@aol.com at Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > dlm, > when is your performance, at tonic? > best, > dt / s-c > >> BTW, I'll >> be doing an in-store performance there on April 29, following my first >> gig >> in 10 years at Tonic here in NYC with Elliott Sharp and some others... >> will >> spam the list when the time comes, of course. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 6 12:00:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04731; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 11:54:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 11:54:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 08:40:57 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: DT: Remiksis Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David, I received a copy of Remiksis from a friend (thanks cliff!) and have enjoyed it very much. especially like the sakimoto remix...very nice. i was curious...you mention lisa gerrard in your liner notes. was she involved with this project? what kind of work have you done with her, if ya don't mind me asking? also, are you familiar with robert hampson? i was kindof curious if you were familiar with him/worked with him/influenced by/liked his work/etc. his work was essentially my portal into the world of looping and sound generation...imho...some of the remiksis work has a similar vibe to some of the earlier Main, but with more messed up percussive structures. very nice cd...looking forward to hearing the original. best regards, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 6 12:08:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05351; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 12:02:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 12:02:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AA51C81.2472@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 09:21:06 -0800 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Traffic/David Torn References: <69.10825f3e.27a97b58@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just saw the movie TRAFFIC Is that dt at the (very beautiful) end of the film? And would you be interested in commenting on the sounds/experience/inspiration? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 6 12:44:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06218; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 12:42:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 12:42:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ea01c0a663$ec1fe420$0200a8c0@mlameyer02> From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <69.10825f3e.27a97b58@aol.com> <3AA51C81.2472@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Traffic/David Torn Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 12:36:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And what's your favorite color? ;-) Teasing, teasing ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 6 13:20:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07323; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 13:13:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 13:13:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 10:00:20 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: DAVID LEE MYERS review from downtown music gallery In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:33 AM -0500 3/6/01, David Myers wrote: >It's on March 25 >a member of the Hub whose name keeps escaping me Tim Perkis -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 6 13:29:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07634; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 13:23:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 13:23:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AA52890.1E38DF5E@ernieball.com> Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 10:12:32 -0800 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Armatron Sound Laboratory Spring Cleaning Sale References: <200103021006.FAA18002@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello everyone- I have two Roland rackmount line mixers for sale, and I would like to offer them up here before putting them on eBay. They are both in like-new condition. The M-240R is a 24-mono-channel mixer with 4 aux sends per channel (one pre/post) plus a "CUE" send which is handy for sending signals to, say, a looping device. 4 rack spaces. $325 The M-480R is a stereo version of the M-240R, with 24 stereo inputs (or 48 mono pairs) and 6 aux sends (2 pre/post), plus stereo "SUB" and "CUE" buttons. Create massive feedback loops. Be prepared for Repeater. 6 rack spaces. $425 I also have a MOTU Midi Timepiece AV, Alesis M-EQ230 equalizer and RA-100 power amp, Behringer FB-X feedback destroyer, Sequential Circuits Prelude synth, Kawai R-100 drum machine (MIDI, DIN, CLK sync master), and a Vestax PMC-06T DJ mixer for sale. Please email (off-list) me for any specifics, and thank for shopping. -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 6 14:29:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09468; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 14:24:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 14:24:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: mhamburg@mailsj-v1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <001201c0a406$141a4980$99990fce@com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 11:15:24 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Mark Hamburg" Subject: Re: EDP Undo Function Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A request for the long fabled update to the EDP software: Could we have an option to change short press undo while in playback (rather than record or overdub) to mean undo back to before the last operation/redo the operation? I suspect that part of the confusion over undo on the EDP that comes up on this list (or at least part of my confusion at times when using it) is the trim the last layer behavior. Mark P.S. Reading the manual, it suggests that when we run out of memory, if at all possible the pre-operation loop is preserved. In other words, if we have room for 3 loops in memory and we start with A and layer B followed by C followed by D in a single overdub, then memory ends up holding A, A+B+C, and A+B+C+D. Is this correct? If not, could there be an option to provide this behavior? We've obviously got to toss something out, and it would seem better to toss A+B rather than A. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 6 16:17:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12723; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 16:14:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 16:14:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010306161406.007de100@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 16:14:06 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Traffic/David Torn In-Reply-To: <00ea01c0a663$ec1fe420$0200a8c0@mlameyer02> References: <69.10825f3e.27a97b58@aol.com> <3AA51C81.2472@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <9eIY7D.A.pGD.eMVp6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:36 PM 3/6/01 -0500, you wrote: >And what's your favorite color? Don't tell me, it's glow-in-the-dark non-radioactive Teuffel Tesla green, right? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 6 16:59:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13845; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 16:57:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 16:57:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AA55CD3.1339E081@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 13:54:13 -0800 X-Sybari-Trust: 6626d6c2 050014e1 00000000 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Re: Digitech 2120 and looping (Belewps) References: <3AA44479.3ACE01A4@minds-eye.org> <01bf01c0a625$ffc3d9c0$737ee383@eihms.surrey.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I do like the 2120. I run both my dry guitar and GR-30 into it, then into 2 Peavey KB60 keyboard amps. It's a pretty simple set up, and it sounds great. I must say that for looping, I mainly use a JamMan. 10 sec is not enough for this looper. Where the hell is that Repeater? Mark "Michael P. Hughes, PhD" wrote: > > Go to Digitech.com and download the manual for the RPS 21. Same effects,> different box. Now that you have the 2120 v2.1 you can have a 10 second > loop > > in the right channel and a 10 second loop in the left channel. Have fun > (I > > am) > > Sadly, according to the online manual, the RP21 tops out at 1.4 seconds. > Pity... again, if the 21 had 10 seconds I'd consider getting one just to use > as a looper (w/ onboard fx) > > Mike From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 6 18:15:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16890; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 18:13:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 18:13:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 15:57:22 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Traffic/David Torn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <008b01c0a688$6c9aa0d0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <69.10825f3e.27a97b58@aol.com> <3AA51C81.2472@earthlink.net> <00ea01c0a663$ec1fe420$0200a8c0@mlameyer02> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: <93VXHD.A.1GE.86Wp6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > And what's your favorite color? blue! no, ye... aa... aaaaa.... hhhhhhhhh.... hhhhhhhhh.... hhhhhhhhh.... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 6 20:06:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19898; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 20:04:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 20:04:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 20:03:49 -0500 Subject: Re: DAVID LEE MYERS review from downtown music gallery From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you Richard! I am fading in my old age, I'm afraid... on 3/6/01 1:00 PM, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote: > At 11:33 AM -0500 3/6/01, David Myers wrote: > >> It's on March 25 > > > > >> a member of the Hub whose name keeps escaping me > > Tim Perkis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 6 21:11:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21553; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 21:08:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 21:08:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006101c0a6ab$79310cd0$a30018ac@jnpr.net> From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <003b01c0a5e4$69f40460$3d141d3f@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Digitech 2120 and looping (Belewps) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 18:08:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You need the latest OS. It's free from Digi. Reversed delays are my favourite module. It also has a five second 'Jam-man' style module. Of limited use - I just use the 10 second one myself though. bIz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petr" To: Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 6:23 PM Subject: Re: Digitech 2120 and looping (Belewps) I have 2120 and enjoy the 10 sec loops as well. However, I haven't come accross any way how to reverse the loop with this machine. What you can do easily though is to change the loops' pitch times with a click in various ways, and it's a lot of fun. _________________________________________ Petr Dolák music * poetry guitar * looping * percussion www.geocities.com/pepetr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 6 23:00:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23775; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 22:57:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 22:57:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007001c0a6bc$5ededc20$6501a8c0@bIz> From: "Jon" To: References: <3AA2E543.C37A1BCE@virtulink.com> <3AA40C95.EE90C70A@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Digitech 2120 and looping (Belewps) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 20:09:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's not in any manuals. Just flip through the modules. bIz ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Sottilaro To: Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 2:01 PM Subject: Digitech 2120 and looping (Belewps) > Hey boys and girls, > > I heard (not sure where) that the Digitech 2120 did on the fly sampling > and backward loopage ala Adrian Belew's "Belewps" I recently upgraded my > 2112 to a 2120 v2.1, but I can't find a mention of these effects anywhere > in the manual or on line. Anyone have any info on such things? > > Thanks, > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 7 00:53:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA26650; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 00:50:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 00:50:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 00:50:35 -0500 (EST) From: Noah McGee To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Vortex noisy? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com got a vortex a few months ago and found that it was super noisy... major hiss whether bypassed or not. is this a common problem? Any other lexicon stuff i've used is very quiet. Is it just my unit? is there a way to remedy this? so far i haven't been disappointed with the possibilities of the vortex (although i feel like it's going to take an eternity fiddling with the thing to find optimal settings... that's sort of the fun of it though), but it's so noisy its almost not worth it... any ideas? noah "I lost my shape trying to act casual." -Byrne "Singular and Particular Detail is the Foundation of the Sublime" -Blake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 7 01:14:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA27661; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 01:12:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 01:12:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AA5F60F.E3794247@home.com> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 00:49:19 -0800 From: Will Brake Organization: Soul Fruit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0407 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex noisy? References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------E17C49AD9D15D03F6F6C3EA7" Resent-Message-ID: <002SeC.A.AwG.YFdp6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------E17C49AD9D15D03F6F6C3EA7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Check the unit with headphones. Make sure you are using shielded cables. Try plugging your gear into another outlet. Is it rack mounted? If so, pull the unit out of the rack and try it again. These ideas should start you out. If you continue to have noise issues, you could have a bad volume control or a bad op-amp. Hope this helps! Be Well Will Brake www.soul-fruit.com Noah McGee wrote: > > got a vortex a few months ago and found that it was super noisy... major > hiss whether bypassed or not. is this a common problem? Any other > lexicon stuff i've used is very quiet. Is it just my unit? is there a > way to remedy this? > > so far i haven't been disappointed with the possibilities of the vortex > (although i feel like it's going to take an eternity fiddling with the > thing to find optimal settings... that's sort of the fun of it though), > but it's so noisy its almost not worth it... > > any ideas? > > noah > > "I lost my shape trying to act casual." > -Byrne > > "Singular and Particular Detail is the Foundation of the Sublime" > -Blake --------------E17C49AD9D15D03F6F6C3EA7 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="wbrake.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Will Brake Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="wbrake.vcf" begin:vcard n:Brake;Will tel;work:248-583-1856 x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http//www.soul-fruit.com org:Soul Fruit adr:;;2900 Rochester Road;Royal Oak;Michigan;48073;USA version:2.1 email;internet:wbrake@home.com title:Owner fn:Will Brake end:vcard --------------E17C49AD9D15D03F6F6C3EA7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 7 01:17:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA27865; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 01:16:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 01:16:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 01:15:50 -0500 (EST) From: Noah McGee To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: vortex memory upgrade? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just read an old thread about the possibility of upgrading the vortex to an 8 sec mono delay. no real conclusions were made. has this been ruled out completely as an impossible fantasy? I know the "lexicon upgrade" does not exist, but is it possible anyway. thanks, noah "I lost my shape trying to act casual." -Byrne "Singular and Particular Detail is the Foundation of the Sublime" -Blake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 7 01:28:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28014; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 01:26:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 01:26:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AA5D477.D1AA0496@altruistmusic.com> Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 22:25:58 -0800 From: Andre Lafosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex noisy? References: <3AA5F60F.E3794247@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have found the Vortex to be fairly on the noisy side of things in general. When I first got it I remember thinking that some of the funkiness and noise of the sound reminded me of something like an old Deltalab Effectron unit. I think it's pretty much a standard thing with that particular unit... --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 7 01:30:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28160; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 01:28:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 01:28:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AA5F9A3.349C893F@home.com> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 01:04:35 -0800 From: Will Brake Organization: Soul Fruit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0407 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: switching off with mains References: <003301c0a5c2$9298cda0$b883abd4@a6d4z2> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------D42594CF6A610677A07AD730" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------D42594CF6A610677A07AD730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You could potentially cause a power surge if you have enough draw on power up. If your power amp(s) and console are on the same circuit, you will probably have issues. First, power amps usually have a serious start up surge. Older consoles and powered mixers have similar initial conditions. Second, if your power amp doesn't have a turn on relay (the relay mutes the incoming signal for a few seconds while the circuit stabilizes), you could blow your speakers. Many pieces of gear don't have muting relays and "pop" when turned on. This is why you turn the power amp on last and off first. This is the proper sequence: POWER ON synths and drum machines outboard gear console power amps Reverse the sequence to power down. There are products available that will turn equipment on in a specified sequence. They are usually pricey, and is the reason most of us turn gear on manually. You can group similar types of equipment on the same switch, taking care not to over draw the current rating. Most gear built today has minor current draw. Tube gear usually draws 3 amp or more, so be careful wiring these on the same circuit(s). Be Well Will Brake www.soul-fruit.com Luca wrote: > > One question I have never had the chance to ask to professional electronic > developers: > How bad is it to switch on/off electronic/digital processors (not recorders) > with the main switcher ? > I mean, keeping their front panel's switch always on and use the studio's > general one ? > > Thanks for clearing an arcane. > Luca --------------D42594CF6A610677A07AD730 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="wbrake.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Will Brake Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="wbrake.vcf" begin:vcard n:Brake;Will tel;work:248-583-1856 x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http//www.soul-fruit.com org:Soul Fruit adr:;;2900 Rochester Road;Royal Oak;Michigan;48073;USA version:2.1 email;internet:wbrake@home.com title:Owner fn:Will Brake end:vcard --------------D42594CF6A610677A07AD730-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 7 03:17:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA30521; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 03:16:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 03:16:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010307081536.3060.qmail@web1002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 00:15:36 -0800 (PST) From: Joseph Buck Subject: DAVID LEE ROTH review from downtown To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200103070614.BAA27762@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <368BK.A.xcH.u4ep6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 14.DAVID LEE ROTH-Look At All The People Here Tonite! I remember seeing Diamond Dave (David Lee Roth) play his hair box over a decade ago and being amazed by the sound of sculpted feedback that it produced at one of his rare sets. There were some half dozen releases and collaborations on albums, CDs and even a rare double 7". All with Van Halen (the Pride of Pasadena), something with Steve Vai, and some big band big bang. Mr. Roth eventually took his hair apart and retired from music making for almost a decade. Recently David puts a new feedback hair device together, started his own label and has just released this moist single 'Look At All The People Here Tonite! ' - it is great to have him back. The track here is not named as such but more of a weave through a variety of subtle hair textures. The sounds on the first track are rather like one hand clapping, ink slinging, bell bottoms on feather dusters, soft hand numbers and similar folicular tapestry. There is sounds that repeat but never for very long before they evolve into slightly different hair. There is quite a bit of high-end squaking which would probably makes the ladies go gaga and many of the sounds seem to be vibrating and slowly changing into teeth. After reading through the Forced Entry(a police techinque) weekly new zoo revue, I have noticed that there is a movement towards stripped down hair - thanks to Peter Garrett, the Veritical Horizon and numerous ersatz shampoo users. Roth seems to fit right in, since his music is all hair based and seems to use little or no hair. Track 1 sounds as if he is sampling a crackly old comb, but maybe not. The hair here expand and contract slowly, they bubble and whirl and cautiously get more dense in sections, yet inevitably return to silence. Is that the sound of scissors snipping or the chirping of electronic insects? It really doesn't matter since all of this hair is so engaging and filled with suspense. Some of this alien hair takes some getting used to, but this is quite a fascinating blend of hair architecture. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 7 03:22:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA30633; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 03:21:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 03:21:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 15:16:32 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: switching off with mains In-reply-to: <003301c0a5c2$9298cda0$b883abd4@a6d4z2> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: <003301c0a5c2$9298cda0$b883abd4@a6d4z2> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:21 PM +0100 3/5/01, Luca wrote: >How bad is it to switch on/off electronic/digital processors (not recorders) >with the main switcher ? >I mean, keeping their front panel's switch always on and use the studio's >general one ? My concern would be that the amps get turned off before anything that feeds into them. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 7 03:54:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA31069; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 03:51:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 03:51:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 12:23:15 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: EDP plus GR-33 set up In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:01 PM -0500 3/3/01, Tommy Kochel wrote: >I just got my EDP and can loop with my guitar sound, but not >the MIDI sounds from my GR-33. > >My system is simple: my instrument into the GR-33. The GR-33 effects loop >out to a Digitech Talk Box, the Talk Box to the EDP, and the EDP back to the >Return of the GR-33. > >Yet I cannot hear any GR-33 patches looped. I sounds like the effects loop on the GR-33 is sending the normal guitar tone out to the Talk Box and EDP and that the effects return is being mixed with the GR-33's synthesizer sounds and then routed to the outputs. That would mean you'd be hearing looped guitar (with Talk Box) and unlooped synthesizer sounds. Does the GR-33 allow you to select which signal or combination of signals is being routed out the effects send? >Do I need a couple MIDI cables to send tone information OUT from the >GR-33, IN to the EDP, then OUT from the EDP and back IN to the GR-33? If by "tone information" you mean the sounds of the GR-33's built-in synthesizer, the answer is NO. MIDI cables do not carry real-time audio signals. They are meant to transmit control data only. If by "tone information" you mean a data dump related to the GR-33's built-in synthesizer, the answer is still NO. The EDP wouldn't know what to do with the Roland's system exclusive data. I'm not directly familiar with either the EDP or the GR-33, but it sounds to me like you could use a basic tutorial in audio signal routing and the nature of MIDI. I'll be happy to help you with that off-list if you like. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 7 05:37:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA00942; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 05:36:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 05:36:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Cataldo De Palma" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: Help! about echoplex (obhereim) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 11:32:19 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've lost the instructions of my echoplex (looper by oberheim) does anyone know how can I get them ? I bought it in New York and I live in Italy. the thing is quite difficult. ALDO (who plays a paradis guitar) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 7 05:43:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA01086; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 05:42:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 05:42:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AA68F5F.46553A6C@vtx.ch> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 11:43:27 -0800 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Help! about echoplex (obhereim) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cataldo De Palma wrote: > > I've lost the instructions of my echoplex (looper by oberheim) > does anyone know how can I get them ? > I bought it in New York and I live in Italy. > the thing is quite difficult. > ALDO (who plays a paradis guitar) welcome Aldo www.Loopers-delight.com have a serious look around this is ali-ba-ba's looper cave aliblabla Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 7 09:37:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA06823; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 09:34:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 09:34:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 09:31:35 EST Subject: OT: Re: DAVIDLEEMYERS 3/25 nyc To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com dm, >It's on March 25--looks like Oscar night. Great, maybe we'll have a >snowstorm like this one too and I won't have to worry about any stage fright >problems! last time i played at tonic -for arto's 'surround-sound' festival- we set up on the floor (rather than the stage): was pretty relaxing..... >With Elliott, Tom Dimuzio, and a member of the Hub whose name >keeps escaping me; separate sets.... i probably won't be there, though i'd like to..... having a bit of a complex life, these days..... but, i'll try to attend..... >BTW, just yesterday I went on a search for OAH with no luck. Thought you >had mentioned Tower had it; not even a divider card. OM is out of stock. >I'll ski over to Downtown if they have it. should certainly be at virgin, methinks; definitely available at the websites listed in my sig, below..... all best, dt / splattercell 2 new CD's (@ 75ARK.com,amazon,cdnow,virgin,tower,artist-shop.com,etc) 1) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::OAH (full-length CD) 2) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::ReMiKSiS:::AH (CD & limited edition vinyl) the american press, on SPLaTTeRCeLL ::: OAH "Destined for cult status, this should be the guitar record of choice for electronica admirers--- or the fave electronica album for guitar fans." BillBoard Magazine (usa) "..... a chillingly wonderful instrumental CD. Brilliant stuff." Keyboard Magazine (usa) "Torn is perhaps the hippest creator of cut-and-paste music you're likely to encounter. Case in point is SPLaTTeRCeLL ::: OAH. OAH is a bold leap forward for the forces of organica--- those who believe that the hybrid of live performance & digital editing is the most exciting musical place-to-be." ReMiX Magazine (usa) "It's the kind of experience that had me shaking my head & saying, 'Holy shit, what was that?!'. Other flash guitarists can give you occasional transcendent licks, but on this (SPLaTTeRCeLL) CD, Torn gives you a 67-minute cosmic package". Alternative Press (usa) "Damn, this is one gorgeous mind-wrangle of a record!" Splendid SPLaTTeRCeLL: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Pages/soah Solid States: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf List site: http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn [Unable to display image] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 7 09:40:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA07290; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 09:39:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 09:39:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <14.109f808e.27d7a1ed@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 09:38:37 EST Subject: OT: Re: DT: Remiksis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com rich@nuvisionsca.com writes: >I received a copy of Remiksis from a friend (thanks cliff!) and have >enjoyed it very much. a copy? 8-() >especially like the sakimoto remix...very nice. good-o. >i was curious...you mention lisa gerrard in your liner notes. was >she involved with this project? what kind of work have you done with >her, if ya don't mind me asking? lisa uses samples of me, sometimes; i think she's a brilliant musician..... & an amazing person..... >also, are you familiar with robert hampson? is that the 'main' dude? >i was kindof curious if >you were familiar with him/worked with him/influenced by/liked his >work/etc. his work was essentially my portal into the world of >looping and sound generation...imho...some of the remiksis work has a >similar vibe to some of the earlier Main, but with more messed up >percussive structures. ah, yeah: i like main. >very nice cd...looking forward to hearing the original. !!! heard the remixes before the original, eh? i love that 'time' has been so obviously/so deeply manipulated in this funny ol' world..... best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 7 10:08:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08515; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:03:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:03:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <14.109f8091.27d7a76a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:02:02 EST Subject: OT: Re: Traffic/David Torn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com kungha@earthlink.net writes: >Just saw the movie TRAFFIC >Is that dt at the (very beautiful) end of the film? not only at the end..... *all* throughout the film, excepting the licensed stuff. >And would you be interested in commenting on the >sounds/experience/inspiration? hmmm..... the inspiration was the picture, & some in-depth conversations w/cliff martinez regarding achieving a transparent/neutral-yet-still-'warm' quality of loops & playing. i worked on the film, at home, in both pre-recording & overdubbing stages..... also: tante grazie, regarding your recommendation of the longchenpa song! best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 7 10:08:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08580; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:05:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:05:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:04:08 EST Subject: OT: Re: Traffic/David Torn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >And what's your favorite color? espresso. best, dt / splatrasnail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 7 10:11:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08857; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:08:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:08:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <21.85cfa3b.27d7a8a0@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:07:12 EST Subject: Re: Traffic/David Torn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com tcn62@ici.net writes: >Don't tell me, it's glow-in-the-dark non-radioactive Teuffel Tesla green, >right? well..... in keeping w/my shivaite/tzigane adolescence, i'd hafta say that i prefer the *radioactive* green. ;-> best, dt / splimmytool From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 7 10:38:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA09969; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:31:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:31:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004c01c0a71a$fe57d050$0200a8c0@mlameyer02> X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <21.85cfa3b.27d7a8a0@aol.com> Subject: OT: Traffic/David Torn Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:26:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <_k9YyD.A.bbC.qQlp6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you put out a CD called Splimmytool, I'll buy two. ....... I'm serious Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 10:07 AM Subject: Re: Traffic/David Torn > tcn62@ici.net writes: > >Don't tell me, it's glow-in-the-dark non-radioactive Teuffel Tesla green, > >right? > well..... > in keeping w/my shivaite/tzigane adolescence, i'd hafta say that i prefer the > *radioactive* green. > ;-> > best, > dt / splimmytool > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 7 10:50:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10427; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:48:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:48:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PaulPokr@aol.com Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 10:46:39 EST Subject: Re: Vortex noisy? To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey: Mine was noisy as well. That's why I sold mine. Regards, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 7 10:55:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10626; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:53:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:53:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <006e01c0a71e$a9506690$02e099c6@futures.org> From: "Ray" To: References: <14.109f808e.27d7a1ed@aol.com> Subject: Casio FZ-1 Loops Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 09:52:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone know how to get a sample to loop more than once on the fuzzyOne? Someone once said the manual makes a great gag gift. I concur. mdd/ray _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 7 11:00:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10903; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:58:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:58:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3AA68F5F.46553A6C@vtx.ch> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 07:56:21 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Help! about echoplex (obhereim) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the manual is online at: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html kim >Cataldo De Palma wrote: >> >> I've lost the instructions of my echoplex (looper by oberheim) >> does anyone know how can I get them ? >> I bought it in New York and I live in Italy. >> the thing is quite difficult. >> ALDO (who plays a paradis guitar) > >welcome Aldo > >www.Loopers-delight.com > >have a serious look around this is ali-ba-ba's looper cave > >aliblabla > >Claude ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 7 11:39:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12188; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 11:38:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 11:38:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.189.148.4] From: "K. Michael Odnaloc" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Re: DT: Remiksis Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 08:36:58 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2001 16:36:58.0397 (UTC) FILETIME=[D40284D0:01C0A724] Resent-Message-ID: <0GbnJB.A.N-C.JPmp6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >rich@nuvisionsca.com writes: > >I received a copy of Remiksis from a friend (thanks cliff!) and have > >enjoyed it very much. >a copy? >8-() While I don't know if this is what happened with Rich, I know that when I but a new CD I'll often say I picked up a copy. I mean they're all copies after all aren't they? Way OT but its early Kevin _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 7 11:57:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12757; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 11:55:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 11:55:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4921@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Looping gig spam from the other DT Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 11:52:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, I'm playing a a solo electric guitar gig this evening in Bloomington,In at Bear's place starting at 10pm. I will be using regular guitar, guitar loops done on the fly. All the material will be improvised on the spot. for those who can't make it, it's ok you can buy my new cd at http://www.dtguitar.com to make up for it 8-) Thanks Denis Denis Taaffe dtaaffe@indiana.edu http://www.dtguitar.com -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 7 11:59:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12901; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 11:58:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 11:58:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 10:55:45 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: OT: Re: DT: Remiksis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00c601c0a727$749db6b0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: <-7lLrB.A.YID.9hmp6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i have a paul lansky cd in the liner notes of which he insists that each 'performace' of the cd (eg. each time it is played) is an original performance of the work .... > > >rich@nuvisionsca.com writes: > > >I received a copy of Remiksis from a friend (thanks cliff!) and have > > >enjoyed it very much. > > >a copy? > >8-() > > While I don't know if this is what happened with Rich, I know that when I > but a new CD I'll often say I picked up a copy. I mean they're all copies > after all aren't they? > > Way OT but its early > > Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 7 12:11:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13743; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 12:09:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 12:09:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:57:18 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: OT: Re: DT: Remiksis Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <6FVNrB.A.dWD.tsmp6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>rich@nuvisionsca.com writes: >>>I received a copy of Remiksis from a friend (thanks cliff!) and have >>>enjoyed it very much. > >>a copy? >>8-() > >While I don't know if this is what happened with Rich, I know that >when I but a new CD I'll often say I picked up a copy. I mean >they're all copies after all aren't they? yup...a REAL copy i got...hmmmm...what is a real copy these days? but i must tell you, my CD duplicator got really pissed at me 'cuz i didn't burn a duplicate... david (and y'all), do you feel it's more valuable to receive the money for the distribution of your 'real' discs, or that somebody new heard your stuff via the new duplication technology that is being marketed these days? i don't have a judgement either way...like you said in an earlier thread...you got a couple of kids in college...so, would you be pissed if someone made 2 or 3 'copies' of your disc and turned a few people onto you?..."hey, you gotta check this guy out!" would you feel like you we're getting the short end? what about someone sampling from it? bought a interesting CD a while back...Antediluvian Rocking Horse...distributed by Negativland's label. It's almost completely sampled sounds, 'recycled' music, they call it apparently. very wacky. seeya, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 7 12:30:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14168; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 12:28:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 12:28:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 12:26:57 EST Subject: OT gig spam question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d9.1133d48d.27d7c961_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_d9.1133d48d.27d7c961_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit a little while ago, several folk here had gigs at BORDERS, could you give me any insight into the best way of approaching these people to play there.....were these paying gigs or "get to know me" gigs.....the reason i ask is, there are 3 of their stores nearby.....any help would be wonderful, off list of course!.....thanks.....michael --part1_d9.1133d48d.27d7c961_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit a little while ago, several folk here had gigs at BORDERS, could you give me
any insight into the best way of approaching these people to play
there.....were these paying gigs or "get to know me" gigs.....the reason i
ask is, there are 3 of their stores nearby.....any help would be wonderful,
off list of course!.....thanks.....michael --part1_d9.1133d48d.27d7c961_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 7 13:35:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15731; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 13:19:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 13:19:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001f01c0a732$f1cfba60$a083abd4@a6d4z2> From: "Luca" To: References: <003301c0a5c2$9298cda0$b883abd4@a6d4z2> <3AA5F9A3.349C893F@home.com> Subject: R: switching off with mains Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 19:17:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the replies, but I think I haven't been clear enough with my question. I wanted to know if digital processors like EDPs, Multieffect devices (Tc Electronic, Eventide, Boss, Digitech...) can be damaged if I keep their individual switch always on and use the multiple plug switch to switch them on/off. I have several devices in my rack and they all are connected to a multiplegroup of plugs (I don't know the english term) that has its switch. Do not consider the audio facts such as the order to save speakers/power amps from overloads. thanks for your 2 minutes luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 7 14:20:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17705; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 14:18:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 14:18:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c0a73b$4834c1e0$bc2078d8@prelayomb> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <200102241631.LAA14581@hemlock.violacea.com> <3A986416.B08BC55B@cloud9.net> <000c01c09f4f$533ccc20$ee0c78d8@prelayomb> <002701c09fb2$c8be8ca0$360c78d8@prelayomb> <0e1601c0a05a$795a5d80$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: FS300 Options Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 11:17:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, so I opened up the footswitch boxes--I'm gonna do some surgery and make the two FS300s work as a EDP footswitch by wiring resistors. Where do i put them? Do I attach them in line with the wires leading to each switch or bypass the wires and wire the resistors directly to the switches? Also, the output jack is Ring/tip/sleeve; do I need to use a stereo cord to get all three switches to work? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 7 15:17:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19334; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:14:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:14:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRtjxCU+dYM6KWUjZDGqs8EWOrOSwIVAKMxIcCVRm5evnFEt545qbBnCI1B From: VeryLargeArray@webtv.net (Alasdair Hallenbeck) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:13:44 -0500 (EST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater beta ships! Message-ID: <23074-3AA69678-341@storefull-237.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Luca" 's message of Wed, 7 Mar 2001 19:17:54 +0100 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just read that the Repeater beta models have shipped. I'm not sure but I thought this might be of some interest to fellow loopers. A.H. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 7 15:23:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19660; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:21:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:21:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003701c0a744$dda27480$76cf0a3e@hiroshi> From: "Maurizio Buttari" To: "Loopers delight" Subject: new mp3 tracks Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 21:26:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi I've posted some new tracks on my page. http://www.mp3.com/MaurizioButtari I would like to have a feedback from the loopers community.... :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 7 16:49:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22098; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 16:46:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 16:46:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Subject: Poor Man's Kyma? To: Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:40:14 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 03/07/2001 03:40:18 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone see the blurb on Harmony Central about the Sound Art Chameleon? It sounds like it's a single-rack space mutant progeny of a Kyma system and a Nord Micro Modular. There website isn't too informative, but here's the URL: http://www.soundart-hot.com http://messe.harmony-central.com/Musikmesse01/Content/SoundArt/PR/Chameleon.html L From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 7 16:54:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22157; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 16:47:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 16:47:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007a01c0a750$1f1d2580$b983abd4@a6d4z2> From: "Luca" To: "Loop" Subject: edp footpedal Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 22:46:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <35W0eC.A.7ZF.fxqp6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, finally a very on topic problem. Since a few days I have some problems with my edp: i have insert switched to reverse, when i hit the insert button the 1st time everything goes well; if i hit it a 2nd time or i hit mute, the edp goes random on multiply, or insert=insert or cuts the loop very short, multiplies it and so on. i changed the cable, reboot the edp and it's always the same all other functions run properly, except mute that behaves in a similar strange way. i know the footpedal is very sensible to electrostatic charges, could it be that ? thnks luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 7 18:22:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25204; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 18:21:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 18:21:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010307232024.8824.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:20:24 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: Re: R: switching off with mains To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001f01c0a732$f1cfba60$a083abd4@a6d4z2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Luca, If they are like any processor I have been inside, I would say no problem. I have done this for years, with no ill effect. bret --- Luca wrote: > Thanks for the replies, but I think I haven't been clear enough with > my > question. > I wanted to know if digital processors like EDPs, Multieffect devices > (Tc > Electronic, Eventide, Boss, Digitech...) can be damaged if I keep > their > individual switch always on and use the multiple plug switch to > switch them > on/off. > > I have several devices in my rack and they all are connected to a > multiplegroup of plugs (I don't know the english term) that has its > switch. > Do not consider the audio facts such as the order to save > speakers/power > amps from overloads. > > thanks for your 2 minutes > luca > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 7 18:23:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25110; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 18:18:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 18:18:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010307231740.42247.qmail@web10111.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:17:40 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: Re: edp footpedal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <007a01c0a750$1f1d2580$b983abd4@a6d4z2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Luca, Does this also occur if you use the panel switchs on the edp instead of the footcontroller? If not, this implies a problem in your footcontroller, it's switches, the cable, or the connections from footpedal to edp. Do you live in a dry, static filled location? I do, and did have problems with static until I made a mod to the footcontroller. At Kim's suggestion I insolated the footpedal casing from the 1/4" jack on the footpedal. This can be done with a rubber grommet from Radio Shack. I guess from your email address that you are in italy, so you may not have radio shack, but a good electronics supplier or hardware store should have rubber grommets of various sizes. When I had static problems the edp would loose it's mind, and hang from a large discharge. bret --- Luca wrote: > Hi all, > finally a very on topic problem. > Since a few days I have some problems with my edp: > i have insert switched to reverse, > when i hit the insert button the 1st time everything goes well; if i > hit it > a 2nd time or i hit mute, the edp goes random on multiply, or > insert=insert > or cuts the loop very short, multiplies it and so on. > i changed the cable, reboot the edp and it's always the same > all other functions run properly, except mute that behaves in a > similar > strange way. > i know the footpedal is very sensible to electrostatic charges, could > it be > that ? > > thnks > luca > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 7 18:53:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25954; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 18:44:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 18:44:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex noisy? Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 18:45:20 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <3AA5F60F.E3794247@home.com> <3AA5D477.D1AA0496@altruistmusic.com> In-Reply-To: <3AA5D477.D1AA0496@altruistmusic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01030718452000.16786@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 07 Mar 2001, Andre Lafosse wrote: > I have found the Vortex to be fairly on the noisy side of things in > general. When I first got it I remember thinking that some of the > funkiness and noise of the sound reminded me of something like an old > Deltalab Effectron unit. I think it's pretty much a standard thing with > that particular unit... > > --Andre LaFosse > http://www.altruistmusic.com I would have to argue the opposite. My Vortex is squeaky clean. Yes, some of the odd effects when layed on thick can produce what some may call noise, others zaniness, but I've never heard a hum, hiss, buzz, etc as would be characteristic of a "noisy" unit. (Now my SansAmpGT2 distortion pedal on the other hand...) Regards, Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 7 19:23:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27283; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 19:20:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 19:20:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.189.148.4] From: "K. Michael Odnaloc" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex noisy? Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 16:19:02 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Mar 2001 00:19:02.0607 (UTC) FILETIME=[60ED3DF0:01C0A765] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Very odd, my unit is a dirty and noisy beast. Squeaky clean is not something I could ever say about it. On the last go round of this question it seemed the consensus was that the Vortex was noisy, turn down the output level and live with it. Maybe its worth a question to Lexicon. I love the Vortex. What it can do to loops is amazing. I still consider getting a second one now and again. Kevin >From: Todd Pafford >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Vortex noisy? >Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 18:45:20 -0500 > >On Wed, 07 Mar 2001, Andre Lafosse wrote: > > I have found the Vortex to be fairly on the noisy side of things in > > general. When I first got it I remember thinking that some of the > > funkiness and noise of the sound reminded me of something like an old > > Deltalab Effectron unit. I think it's pretty much a standard thing with > > that particular unit... > > > > --Andre LaFosse > > http://www.altruistmusic.com > >I would have to argue the opposite. My Vortex is squeaky clean. Yes, some >of the odd effects when layed on thick can produce what some may call >noise, >others zaniness, but I've never heard a hum, hiss, buzz, etc as would be >characteristic of a "noisy" unit. > >(Now my SansAmpGT2 distortion pedal on the other hand...) > >Regards, >Todd > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 7 20:33:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29440; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 20:31:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 20:31:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AA6E0D2.41A49044@bellsouth.net> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 20:31:00 -0500 From: steve Reply-To: studio_t@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex noisy? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7I_4Z.A.uLH.HDup6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com when I had a vortex I would have described it as a moderately noisy effect, not beyond use but pushing it a bit, kinda typical stompbox noise level. so I guess the issue(after you've double checked your cabling/connections) is just how much noise are you getting From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 7 20:35:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29582; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 20:33:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 20:33:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: Re: Poor Man's Kyma? Message-ID: <0056890023441950000002L902*@MHS> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 02:35:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 03/07/01 22:55:43" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id UAA29557 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> Anyone see the blurb on Harmony Central about the Sound Art Chameleon? It sounds like it's a single-rack space mutant progeny of a Kyma system and a Nord Micro Modular. There website isn't too informative, but here's the URL: >> If only they would provide a simple language and PC interface it could be a low cost Eventide Orville! Hope the company makes it and the product sees the light of day. Brother K From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 7 20:39:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29751; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 20:38:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 20:38:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c0a770$5ab41160$ef2078d8@prelayomb> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <200102241631.LAA14581@hemlock.violacea.com> <3A986416.B08BC55B@cloud9.net> <000c01c09f4f$533ccc20$ee0c78d8@prelayomb> <002701c09fb2$c8be8ca0$360c78d8@prelayomb> <0e1601c0a05a$795a5d80$080210ac@jpalmer> <000701c0a73b$4834c1e0$bc2078d8@prelayomb> Subject: Resistors for FS300 Option Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 17:37:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks to Jim Palmer for his help! I did some soldering and have mixed results. Reason being I was unable to get the correct values for all the resistors. So I guess to do it right I should mail order the proper values from somebody. Maybe online? I have the right ones for all functions except o'dub and multiply--two of the most important. Of course, I'm mainly using my Ztar to control the EDP, but I should correct this thing . BTW, the plan is to velcro the two FS300s to the face of the PMC-10. What fun! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 7 20:50:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30054; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 20:49:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 20:49:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009a01c0a771$f6f0e7a0$fc518218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: <200102241631.LAA14581@hemlock.violacea.com> <3A986416.B08BC55B@cloud9.net> <000c01c09f4f$533ccc20$ee0c78d8@prelayomb> <002701c09fb2$c8be8ca0$360c78d8@prelayomb> <0e1601c0a05a$795a5d80$080210ac@jpalmer> <000701c0a73b$4834c1e0$bc2078d8@prelayomb> <001701c0a770$5ab41160$ef2078d8@prelayomb> Subject: Re: Resistors for FS300 Option Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 17:49:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Try MarVac on Washington blvd in Culver City or Pacific Electronics on Highland in Hollyweird- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 5:37 PM Subject: Resistors for FS300 Option > Thanks to Jim Palmer for his help! I did some soldering and have mixed > results. Reason being I was unable to get the correct values for all the > resistors. So I guess to do it right I should mail order the proper values > from somebody. Maybe online? I have the right ones for all functions > except o'dub and multiply--two of the most important. Of course, I'm mainly > using my Ztar to control the EDP, but I should correct this thing . BTW, > the plan is to velcro the two FS300s to the face of the PMC-10. What fun! > Gary > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 7 20:56:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30397; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 20:54:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 20:54:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: mhamburg@mailsj-v1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3AA6E0D2.41A49044@bellsouth.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 17:51:50 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Mark Hamburg" Subject: Re: Vortex noisy? Resent-Message-ID: <3jkyFD.A.saH.WZup6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I find that some of it varies by effect. If I have it set to the Shimmer A preset (I think), it very definitely is busy pumping along in the background even though no sound is coming in. Some of the other effects are much quieter. The Vortex is one of the most interesting modulation/delay boxes out there. I just wish it was quieter and had a better user interface -- e.g., give me fewer parameters per effect but given me knobs to adjust them and a display that shows me all their settings at once. Or give me a Vortex-ish version of the Kaoss pad with more presets all tuned for real time control even if that means that I can only adjust two parameters for any preset. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 8 00:01:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04024; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 23:56:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 23:56:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AA73A31.B9B65A50@home.com> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 23:52:17 -0800 From: Will Brake Organization: Soul Fruit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0407 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex noisy? References: <3AA5F60F.E3794247@home.com> <3AA5D477.D1AA0496@altruistmusic.com> <01030718452000.16786@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------1AD3784FB5622A56EEB27D0D" Resent-Message-ID: <8MoX-.A.Z-.fCxp6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------1AD3784FB5622A56EEB27D0D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have to agree with Todd. I own two of them and the only noise I've ever heard was improper gain structure or degeneration of a delay cycle. Will Brake http://www.soul-fruit.com Todd Pafford wrote: > > On Wed, 07 Mar 2001, Andre Lafosse wrote: > > I have found the Vortex to be fairly on the noisy side of things in > > general. When I first got it I remember thinking that some of the > > funkiness and noise of the sound reminded me of something like an old > > Deltalab Effectron unit. I think it's pretty much a standard thing with > > that particular unit... > > > > --Andre LaFosse > > http://www.altruistmusic.com > > I would have to argue the opposite. My Vortex is squeaky clean. Yes, some > of the odd effects when layed on thick can produce what some may call noise, > others zaniness, but I've never heard a hum, hiss, buzz, etc as would be > characteristic of a "noisy" unit. > > (Now my SansAmpGT2 distortion pedal on the other hand...) > > Regards, > Todd --------------1AD3784FB5622A56EEB27D0D Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="wbrake.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Will Brake Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="wbrake.vcf" begin:vcard n:Brake;Will tel;work:248-583-1856 x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http//www.soul-fruit.com org:Soul Fruit adr:;;2900 Rochester Road;Royal Oak;Michigan;48073;USA version:2.1 email;internet:wbrake@home.com title:Owner fn:Will Brake end:vcard --------------1AD3784FB5622A56EEB27D0D-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 8 00:59:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05646; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 00:58:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 00:58:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c0a795$7c447200$d0936fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <003301c0a5c2$9298cda0$b883abd4@a6d4z2> <3AA5F9A3.349C893F@home.com> <001f01c0a732$f1cfba60$a083abd4@a6d4z2> Subject: Re: switching off with mains Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 05:18:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I always switch my stuff on and off all at once, (apart from the amp). Been doing it for years and never had a problem -It'll probably blow up next time now though : ) Gareth > I have several devices in my rack and they all are connected to a > multiplegroup of plugs (I don't know the english term) that has its switch. > Do not consider the audio facts such as the order to save speakers/power > amps from overloads. > > thanks for your 2 minutes > luca > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 8 01:08:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA06259; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 01:07:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 01:07:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AA72171.24765803@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 01:06:50 -0500 From: steve Reply-To: studio_t@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: switching off with mains References: <003301c0a5c2$9298cda0$b883abd4@a6d4z2> <3AA5F9A3.349C893F@home.com> <001f01c0a732$f1cfba60$a083abd4@a6d4z2> <000201c0a795$7c447200$d0936fd4@y5w2s5> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the only precaution I take is I turn down and then off the power amp before I shut down the power that shuts down everything else t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 8 01:15:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA06450; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 01:13:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 01:13:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: <9b.11d9390f.27d87ce1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 01:12:49 EST Subject: WTB: 8-string warr artist To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9b.11d9390f.27d87ce1_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_9b.11d9390f.27d87ce1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit if anyone was using an 8string warr guitar to loop, and no longer wishes to loop with it please email me, as i would be interested purchasing it thanks rodrigo Kriist@aol.com --part1_9b.11d9390f.27d87ce1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit if anyone was using an 8string warr guitar to loop, and no longer wishes to
loop with it
please email me, as i would be interested purchasing it

thanks

rodrigo
Kriist@aol.com --part1_9b.11d9390f.27d87ce1_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 8 04:14:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA10795; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 04:12:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 04:12:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 04:10:53 EST Subject: Re:Vortex Upgrade/Vortex Noise To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > just read an old thread about the possibility of upgrading the vortex to > an 8 sec mono delay. no real conclusions were made. has this been ruled > out completely as an impossible fantasy? I know the "lexicon > upgrade" does not exist, but is it possible anyway. If I remember rightly, the LD archive has Kim's 'definative' answer on this one (from a examination of the service sheet). ...the memory expansion idea was abandonned during development of the V. ...you'd probably need to reprogram the software to make it work. I've found the Vortex to be pretty quiet. So don't know why other folks have found otherwise. might be worth considering that the Vortex will greatly increase any hiss fed into it if high feedback settings are used (echo &/or flange), this being a 'side effect' of that type of processing regardless of the quality of the processor (because you're overdubbing the hiss many times). Hi noah , as your Vortex is noisy even in bypass, I think it must be defective. There are Vortex samples on my website, if you want to compare the amount of noise. Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 8 04:21:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA10925; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 04:18:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 04:18:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005801c0a7b0$6917bd20$51cec22b@cambmaya04> From: "Os" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: new live looping mp3s Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:16:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi. There are new mp3s of recent gigs by Darkroom, with heavy looping content at http://www.mp3.com/leaps/ There are also lots of other recordings there, but if it's loops you're after, you want the Darkroom ones. cheers, os. os@scee.sony.co.uk http://www.mp3.com/carbonboy/ http://www.mp3.com/darkroomuk/ http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 8 04:47:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA11348; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 04:45:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 04:45:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <33.11abb9b0.27d8ae9b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 04:44:59 EST Subject: Re: Vortex Noise To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just been to the Lex Website, with their new knowledge base Solution: There is no output knob on the Vortex. Try adjusting the output level parameter. Select Output with the Parameter Knob, then adjust the level with the Value Knob. If adjusting the output levels does not solve the problem contact Lexicon Customer Service for a repair authorization. Lexicon's flat repair rate for the Vortex is $95 US. Outside of the US, contact your local Lexicon dealer/distributor. Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 8 08:08:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA16869; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 08:06:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 08:06:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: IPOPPERWELL.FREESERVE.CO.UK@pop.freeserve.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 13:12:16 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ian Popperwell Subject: Boss RC20 LoopStation pedal - more info Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id IAA16836 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'm new to this list and find it really interesting both technically and artistically. I thought this might be of interest - I got it from the Roland.co.uk website. BOSS PREMIERES TWIN PEDAL SERIES - New RC-20 Loop Station Effects Pedal Delivers Ultimate Quality and Unsurpassed Tone - On the 25th anniversary of BOSS Corporation, the company behind some of the world’s most popular guitar and bass effects is proud to premiere its brand new Twin Pedal Series. These new effects pedals—the GP-20 Amp Factory, EQ-20 Advanced EQ and RC-20 Loop Station—employ a unique dual-pedal design, high-quality components, and legendary BOSS construction to deliver absolute knock-out effects for discriminating guitarists and bassists. And while the Twin Pedals are made to be used on the floor for performance, they are also at home on the tabletop for recording applications. The RC-20 Loop Station is the answer to many live performers' dreams - a compact phrase recording and sampling pedal that's actually easy to use. A long sampling time of up to 5 min. 30 seconds makes it possible to record an entire song, while an Overdub function allows for the creation of 'sound-on-sound' loops in real time. Thanks to helpful Guide Click and Loop Quantize functions, its easier than ever to create perfect loops. And once a loop has been created, either by stepping on the pedal or using Auto Start, a Realtime Tempo Change feature permits changing its tempo without changing its pitch, simply by tapping the pedal in time with the music. In all, the RC-20 can store up to 10 looped phrases and one “one-shot” phrase, even after power-off. Hands-free control and Mic and Auxiliary inputs make the RC-20 an essential effect pedal for guitarists, bassists and other musicians looking to create and play back loops 'on the fly'.  From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 8 12:15:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23076; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:12:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:12:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mibeck@143.229.1.6 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <33.11abb9b0.27d8ae9b@aol.com> References: <33.11abb9b0.27d8ae9b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:11:31 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Beck Subject: Re: Vortex Noise Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't know if this could be the problem, but my rack setup was extremely (almost unusably) noisy in the few minutes before I properly grounded everything & ensured there were no ground loops. The combination of the Vortex and a Mesa Boogie Studio Pre gave me ridiculous amounts of noise. Solution was to float the chassis ground of the Boogie and ground the Vortex only through one cable. All other cables touching the Vortex and the Boogie have the shield snipped on one end. It took a little while to plan out, but now it's damn quiet. Except when I don't want it to be, of course :)... - Mike From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 8 13:12:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25224; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 13:10:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 13:10:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c0a7fa$add11fc0$6129059a@hal> Reply-To: "Christian Leduc" From: "Christian Leduc" To: References: <3AA5F60F.E3794247@home.com> <3AA5D477.D1AA0496@altruistmusic.com> <01030718452000.16786@localhost.localdomain> <3AA73A31.B9B65A50@home.com> Subject: ot: Sad life Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 13:07:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, my life is a drama. I will go in the whole month of May in europe (I live near Quebec city in Canada).. Today, I saw the program list of the music festival of Victoriaville between the 17th and 21th of May: 1- John Zorn with Bar Kokhba -sob- 2- John Zorn with Bill Laswell and Fred Frith -re-sob- 3- Dave Douglas with Ikue Mori -doh- 4- Bill Frisell and his trio -re-doh- It was just a sad part of my life. Thank you for your time! :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 8 13:14:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25095; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 13:08:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 13:08:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4924@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: OT gig spam question Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 13:08:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0A7FA.B788EAC0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0A7FA.B788EAC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I play borders regularly, it's a great place to play, sometimes it almost seems liek the people actually listen to you play as opposed to some of the bars where most are not lsitening really. I enjoy playing there a lot. Well if you want to call less than $100 getting paid hehehe(on the other hand I have played places where the fee was $15?!)...but its not about the money I don't think...I mean it's a chance to be heard and to create a really cool atmosphere. I highly recommend it, it also doesnt hurt your cd sales there. Denis Taaffe dtaaffe@indiana.edu http://www.dguitar.com -----Original Me [Taaffe, Denis G] ssage----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 12:27 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT gig spam question a little while ago, several folk here had gigs at BORDERS, could you give me any insight into the best way of approaching these people to play there.....were these paying gigs or "get to know me" gigs.....the reason i ask is, there are 3 of their stores nearby.....any help would be wonderful, off list of course!.....thanks.....michael ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0A7FA.B788EAC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
I play borders regularly, it's a great place to play, sometimes it almost seems liek the people actually listen to you play as opposed to some of the bars where most are not lsitening really. I enjoy playing there a lot. Well if you want to call less than $100 getting paid hehehe(on the other hand I have played places where the fee was $15?!)...but its not about the money I don't think...I mean it's a chance to be heard and to create a really cool atmosphere. I highly recommend it, it also doesnt hurt your cd sales there.
 
Denis Taaffe
-----Original Me
[Taaffe, Denis G]  ssage-----
From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 12:27 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: OT gig spam question

a little while ago, several folk here had gigs at BORDERS, could you give me
any insight into the best way of approaching these people to play
there.....were these paying gigs or "get to know me" gigs.....the reason i
ask is, there are 3 of their stores nearby.....any help would be wonderful,
off list of course!.....thanks.....michael
------_=_NextPart_001_01C0A7FA.B788EAC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 8 13:56:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26765; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 13:52:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 13:52:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007001c0a800$53677790$6844230a@mlameyer02> X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <33.11abb9b0.27d8ae9b@aol.com> Subject: Re: Vortex Noise Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 13:48:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So did this sound like ac noise, or op amp hiss? I've got grounding problems too, largely due to my computer (damn pickups too close to the monitor). But my vortex is a hissy fiend, even grounding hum noise aside (which is from my guitar and amp). I got rid of some of it by maximizing the input level to the vortex from the mixer, keeping the input level on the vortex down as low as possible. With no signal going into the vortex, I can turn up the input on it and get tons of hiss. Turn the input all the way down, and it's much, much better - but useless! So my noise issue definitely seems related to the input stage of the vortex at least. Mike Who will get off his arse and take it to the shop before selling his vortex. Mmmm, sweep that morph! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Beck" To: Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 12:11 PM Subject: Re: Vortex Noise > Don't know if this could be the problem, but my rack setup was > extremely (almost unusably) noisy in the few minutes before I > properly grounded everything & ensured there were no ground loops. > The combination of the Vortex and a Mesa Boogie Studio Pre gave me > ridiculous amounts of noise. Solution was to float the chassis ground > of the Boogie and ground the Vortex only through one cable. All other > cables touching the Vortex and the Boogie have the shield snipped on > one end. It took a little while to plan out, but now it's damn quiet. > Except when I don't want it to be, of course :)... > > - Mike > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 8 14:22:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28174; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:20:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:20:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 13:19:24 -0600 (CST) From: Todd Madson To: Subject: Vortex noisy? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com /delurk,on I think the best way to describe this is that the Vortex in of itself isn't necessarily very noisy (I've heard much noisier), but, if you feed it a stratocaster with vintage single coils and you're standing next to both a neon sign and a computer monitor at the same time, it will sound like hamburgers frying. But if you feed it a noise-gated or clean signal, it shouldn't be too bad. Some examples of multi-overdubbed vortexian silliness is online at www.mp3.com/aliensporebomb, specifically the track "aliensporebomb", but thems the breaks. /lurk,on -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 8 14:27:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28335; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:24:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:24:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009901c0a804$af6cc2d0$6844230a@mlameyer02> X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: Subject: Re: Vortex noisy? Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:19:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I believe you. But I've run my Wavedrum and synth into it as well, both through mixer and direct, near computer and in another room far away from the monitor. Same noise problem. The good news for me is that a combination of good grounding and maybe a tune up at the shop could get me a quieter vortex. Yay! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Madson" To: Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 2:19 PM Subject: Vortex noisy? > /delurk,on > > I think the best way to describe this is that the Vortex in of itself > isn't necessarily very noisy (I've heard much noisier), but, if you > feed it a stratocaster with vintage single coils and you're standing > next to both a neon sign and a computer monitor at the same time, it > will sound like hamburgers frying. But if you feed it a noise-gated > or clean signal, it shouldn't be too bad. > > Some examples of multi-overdubbed vortexian silliness is online at > www.mp3.com/aliensporebomb, specifically the track "aliensporebomb", > but thems the breaks. > > /lurk,on > > > -- > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 8 14:31:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28621; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:28:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:28:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <003301c0a806$2e02a7d0$02e099c6@futures.org> From: "Ray" To: References: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4924@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> Subject: OT gig spam (chicago) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 13:30:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0030_01C0A7D3.E318DF50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C0A7D3.E318DF50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Agreed - and by way of gig spam for a show which has very little = possibility of financial gain... Reliable Sound Products will perform a 45 minute set at The Empty Bottle = in Chicago this Sunday eve - 8 PM=20 http://www.mp3.com/reliablesoundproduct but its not about the money I don't think...I mean it's a chance to be = heard and to create a really cool atmosphere ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C0A7D3.E318DF50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Agreed - and by way of gig spam for a = show which=20 has very little possibility of financial gain...
 
Reliable Sound Products will perform a = 45 minute=20 set at The Empty Bottle in Chicago this Sunday eve - 8 PM
http://www.mp3.com/relia= blesoundproduct
 
but its not about the money I don't think...I = mean it's a=20 chance to be heard and to create a really cool=20 atmosphere
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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 8 14:33:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28693; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:31:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:31:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c0a806$48154ec0$652078d8@prelayomb> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <200102241631.LAA14581@hemlock.violacea.com> <3A986416.B08BC55B@cloud9.net> <000c01c09f4f$533ccc20$ee0c78d8@prelayomb> <002701c09fb2$c8be8ca0$360c78d8@prelayomb> <0e1601c0a05a$795a5d80$080210ac@jpalmer> <000701c0a73b$4834c1e0$bc2078d8@prelayomb> <001701c0a770$5ab41160$ef2078d8@prelayomb> Subject: Making an EDP footswitch from Parts Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:30:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Gang-- It ain't so easy finding 1% metal film resistors in the proper values! I finally wound up ordering online at Digikey.com, but even there they are back ordered! The values I installed already work most of the time, but as we all know, it only has to mess up one time to be "no good". Still, once I get the right parts, my setup will be closer to fine. And now, in the interest of talking gear and keeping the topics away from politics and philosophy, let me share my latest treasure. I unearthed a stand-alone continuous controller pedal from my storage unit, and this one is a rare find. It's the Lake Butler CFC-1, part of the Mitigator series, and it is allowing me to control the volume and sustain on my Ztar. This solves a big problem--I am controlling the volume and feedback of the EDP from the Ztar, so I couldn't use that for volume of the synth stuff, plus when Mark Johnson rebuild this doubleneck, he neglected to hook up the sustain jack, so it had no internal sustain capability--had to use the PMC, which only has 9 banks at a time (!). And so my advice, with a tip o' the hat to Claude is, never sell any gear! Keep it all! Someday you'll need it (for something). Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 8 15:23:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30267; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 15:21:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 15:21:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: OT gig spam question Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 15:21:35 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C0A7E3.76833920" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4924@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C0A7E3.76833920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Borders has been great to me as well. They generally book more diverse music than the average cafe. Also, they let you sell CDs without going thru their registers, so you get to keep all of the $. Also, you don't *have* to play in the cafe. I usually play in the 'art book' section, where there are some nice couches and chairs. It is also quieter there, and you don't have to compete with the sound of chairs on a tile floor, or the espresso machines. Pay is whatever you work out with them, it seems it is different per performer. Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://www.hazardfactor.com I play borders regularly, it's a great place to play, sometimes it almost seems liek the people actually listen to you play as opposed to some of the bars where most are not lsitening really. I enjoy playing there a lot. Well if you want to call less than $100 getting paid hehehe(on the other hand I have played places where the fee was $15?!)...but its not about the money I don't think...I mean it's a chance to be heard and to create a really cool atmosphere. I highly recommend it, it also doesnt hurt your cd sales there. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C0A7E3.76833920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Borders has been great to me as well. They = generally=20 book more diverse music than the average cafe. Also, they let you sell = CDs=20 without going thru their registers, so you get to keep all of the $. = Also, you=20 don't *have* to play in the cafe. I usually play in the 'art book' = section,=20 where there are some nice couches and chairs. It is also quieter there, = and you=20 don't have to compete with the sound of chairs on a tile floor, or the = espresso=20 machines. Pay is whatever you work out with them, it seems it is = different per=20 performer.
 

Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices
http://www.hazardfactor.com
=  

I=20 play borders regularly, it's a great place to play, sometimes it = almost seems=20 liek the people actually listen to you play as opposed to some of the = bars=20 where most are not lsitening really. I enjoy playing there a lot. Well = if you=20 want to call less than $100 getting paid hehehe(on the other = hand I=20 have played places where the fee was $15?!)...but its not about the = money I=20 don't think...I mean it's a chance to be heard and to create a really = cool=20 atmosphere. I highly recommend it, it also doesnt hurt your cd sales=20 there.
 
 =20  
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C0A7E3.76833920-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 8 16:16:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31896; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:14:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:14:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: 1% resistors Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 21:13:26 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Mar 2001 21:13:26.0484 (UTC) FILETIME=[9DB17940:01C0A814] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com By the way, if you're having trouble finding 1% resistors, you can sort through a bunch of 2% or even 5% and 10% resistors with an ohm meter to find one within 1%. 1% just means that its garunteed to fall within 1% of the stated resistance. bye- jon _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 8 16:20:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32164; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:19:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:19:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010308211902.12305.qmail@web5102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 13:19:02 -0800 (PST) From: Alx Subject: Vortex & FS300... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, can the Digitechīs FS300 footswitch be used on the Vortex? can you wire it in some way to control 3 functions with one FS300?, like tap/A/B & program change. By the way, my Vortex is not noisy. Thanks!. Alex. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 8 16:29:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32435; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:27:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:27:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <10.9c8e8be.27d952de@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:25:50 EST Subject: OT gig spam thanks To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_10.9c8e8be.27d952de_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_10.9c8e8be.27d952de_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thanks to all who responded.....i went to borders today and all i could get was a phone # 734-477-1555 "borders event line".....ive no idea where 734 is but it was a message to leave your address and phone number and they would send you information.....so for anyone else that would like to try this venue give them a buzz, im going to a different store and insist on speaking to someone in charge and threaten to disrobe if they dont give me a gig there and then!.....:).....michael --part1_10.9c8e8be.27d952de_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thanks to all who responded.....i went to borders today and all i could get
was a phone # 734-477-1555 "borders event line".....ive no idea where 734 is
but it was a message to leave your address and phone number and they would
send you information.....so for anyone else that would like to try this venue
give them a buzz, im going to a different store and insist on speaking to
someone in charge and threaten to disrobe if they dont give me a gig there
and then!.....:).....michael --part1_10.9c8e8be.27d952de_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 8 16:38:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00319; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:37:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:37:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.16.219.10] From: "Pete Mundt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Borders Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 16:36:17 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Mar 2001 21:36:18.0028 (UTC) FILETIME=[CF327AC0:01C0A817] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 734 is in Ann Arbor, MI That is where Borders HQ is, along with a store which has shows. As for whether this number is for gigs nationwide, your guess is as good as mine. Pete >From: Nemoguitt@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: OT gig spam thanks >Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:25:50 EST > >thanks to all who responded.....i went to borders today and all i could get >was a phone # 734-477-1555 "borders event line".....ive no idea where 734 >is >but it was a message to leave your address and phone number and they would >send you information.....so for anyone else that would like to try this >venue >give them a buzz, im going to a different store and insist on speaking to >someone in charge and threaten to disrobe if they dont give me a gig there >and then!.....:).....michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 8 16:51:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00758; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:49:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:49:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010308133820.00ad9e90@mail.well.com> X-Sender: dog@mail.well.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 13:38:20 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: dan mcmullen Subject: EDP: midi undo long press (Kim/Matthias?) In-Reply-To: References: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4924@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i would like to program a midi controller to do a long press of undo from a short press on the controller. is it safe to send an EDP only the "on" controller value for undo? this seems to work as desired w/ the current firmware. will it continue to do so? thanks, dan ___ dan mcmullen, ca, usa don't worry - pay attention mailto:dog@well.com 707-485-0220 pgp fingerprint = 1C70 8D81 6B94 93A9 F2D8 9609 2122 BF70 8619 EDAF From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 8 16:54:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00897; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:51:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:51:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [192.76.86.65] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Korg KARMA Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 16:50:45 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Mar 2001 21:50:45.0925 (UTC) FILETIME=[D4810D50:01C0A819] Resent-Message-ID: <9fsXeB.A.uN.V7_p6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Last weekend I stopped by the local music store and happened upon the new Korg KARMA keyboard sitting in the keyboard section. As I understand it, the keyboard is a hardware implementation of somebody's MAX patch, using Korg's Triton sound engine. The onboard controls include 4 "chord memory" buttons. The little placard mounted on the stand next to the keyboard suggested holding down the chord buttons then messing around with the 8 main parameter knobs. These buttons do more than just trigger chords - they can apparently also be programmed to trigger simple sequenced phrases/loops/drum parts. At any rate, for most of the example patches, one knob varies the swing amount of the rhythm (from robotically straight to really funky), another varies chord density, another varies velocity threshold or something like that, etc. The chord buttons were neat, but I had the most fun when I started messing with the keyboard itself. For one patch, I was triggering wild piano arpeggios whose intervals changed with one knob twist and harmonic content changed with another knob twist. For the "Tricky" rhythm patch, radical changes in time signature, swing amount, etc. were within easy reach of the knobs. For virtually all patches, different notes and velocities around the keyboard caused noticeable behavioral changes. All in all, the KARMA keyboard turned out to be quite addictive. There are some more things I'd like to know before I shell out the cash for it (Sam Ash had it for $1795) such as whether the notes generated by the chord buttons can have their volume levels set independently of the master volume and whether it will respond to incoming MIDI messages from, say a Handsonic or MIDI guitar, in the same interactive manner that it responds to someone playing its keyboard directly. I'd also like to know if you can record your own phrase, loop it in realtime, then subject your brand new loop to the same type of radical alterations (time signature, swing amount, chord density, etc.). Here's the informational site of the guy behind KARMA: http://www.karma-lab.com/ There's mention of a software release for Macintosh coming up. I'm guessing this is a software-only version of KARMA rather than some sort of editor-librarian. Paolo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 8 17:13:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01898; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:11:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:11:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 13:42:57 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: OT gig spam thanks In-reply-to: <10.9c8e8be.27d952de@aol.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1228034600==_ma============" References: <10.9c8e8be.27d952de@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1228034600==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 4:25 PM -0500 3/8/01, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >ive no idea where 734 is Ann Arbor, Michigan -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com --============_-1228034600==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: OT gig spam thanks
At 4:25 PM -0500 3/8/01, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:

ive no idea where 734 is

Ann Arbor, Michigan

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--============_-1228034600==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 8 17:47:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02842; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:45:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:45:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:45:07 -0500 From: Floyd Miller Message-Id: <200103082245.RAA12213@portal.studiodust.com> To: Loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 1% resistors Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Jon Wagner" wrote: > By the way, if you're having trouble finding 1% resistors, you can sort > through a bunch of 2% or even 5% and 10% resistors with an ohm meter to find > one within 1%. 1% just means that its garunteed to fall within 1% of the > stated resistance. You'd be very lucky to find a resistor rated at 5% tolerance that has a value within 1%. Generally a 5% resistor is guaranteed to be within 5% of the rated value AND outside of 2% of the rated value. Most of theones withing 2% would have been screened, marked and sold as 2% resistors. Likewise for the 1%. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 8 17:52:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03114; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:50:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:50:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: John Neilson Message-Id: <200103082250.f28MoUj28521@echonyc.com> Subject: Re: Casio FZ-1 Loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:50:30 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <006e01c0a71e$a9506690$02e099c6@futures.org> from "Ray" at Mar 07, 2001 09:52:47 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9YpxV.A.gw.8yAq6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There was actually a book published on this beast and it's cousins, the fZ-10 and FZ-20. It's well worth seeking out. The FZs will do complex, multistage loops within a sample. John > Anyone know how to get a sample to loop more than once on the fuzzyOne? > Someone once said the manual makes a great gag gift. > I concur. > > mdd/ray > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ----------------------- Tear Along Dotted Line ----------------------- John Neilson jneil@jneil.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 8 18:20:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04235; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 18:19:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 18:19:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002301c0a806$48154ec0$652078d8@prelayomb> References: <200102241631.LAA14581@hemlock.violacea.com> <3A986416.B08BC55B@cloud9.net> <000c01c09f4f$533ccc20$ee0c78d8@prelayomb> <002701c09fb2$c8be8ca0$360c78d8@prelayomb> <0e1601c0a05a$795a5d80$080210ac@jpalmer> <000701c0a73b$4834c1e0$bc2078d8@prelayomb> <001701c0a770$5ab41160$ef2078d8@prelayomb> <002301c0a806$48154ec0$652078d8@prelayomb> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 20:20:06 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Making an EDP footswitch from Parts Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hi Gang-- >It ain't so easy finding 1% metal film resistors in the proper values! I >finally wound up ordering online at Digikey.com, but even there they are >back ordered! The values I installed already work most of the time, but as >we all know, it only has to mess up one time to be "no good". Still, once I >get the right parts, my setup will be closer to fine. its strange values really. They dont need to be that acurate and you can add resistors, so I suggest: 680k 1k5 2k2 + 680k 4k7 6k8 + 1k 15k -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 8 18:20:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04237; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 18:19:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 18:19:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010308133820.00ad9e90@mail.well.com> References: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4924@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> <3.0.5.32.20010308133820.00ad9e90@mail.well.com> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 20:20:06 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP: midi undo long press (Kim/Matthias?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >i would like to program a midi controller to do a long press of undo from a >short press on the controller. is it safe to send an EDP only the "on" >controller value for undo? this seems to work as desired w/ the current >firmware. will it continue to do so? I am amazed it works... In the upgrade you will have a specific note for the longUndo -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 8 18:21:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04287; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 18:20:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 18:20:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <001201c0a406$141a4980$99990fce@com> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 20:21:48 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP Undo Function Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <7I_O9D.A.qCB.IOBq6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark: >A request for the long fabled update to the EDP software: Nice suggestions, thank you. You seem to think rather Quantized. We want the liberty to press any function at any time and it should do it immediately (although we also offer quantized). >Could we have an option to change short press undo while in playback >(rather than record or overdub) to mean undo back to before the last >operation/redo the operation? So in Overdub the function would be what we have now? In Play it would for example go back to before the last Overdub was started? The long press function cannot be totally different because we start the action before the long time is reached. >I suspect that part of the confusion over >undo on the EDP that comes up on this list (or at least part of my >confusion at times when using it) is the trim the last layer behavior. I dont quite understand... trim? >Reading the manual, it suggests that when we run out of memory, if at >all possible the pre-operation loop is preserved. In other words, if we >have room for 3 loops in memory and we start with A and layer B followed by >C followed by D in a single overdub, then memory ends up holding A, A+B+C, >and A+B+C+D. Is this correct? If not, could there be an option to provide >this behavior? We've obviously got to toss something out, and it would seem >better to toss A+B rather than A. due to the delay structure we use, all overdubed versions follow each other in memory. So what you suggest is that we keep A separately while running through the rest of the memory, so A can be called back. This somehow fits to he new UNDO function you suggest above. We could save a previous version of the loop (not necessarily the very first nor before the last function) and come back to it later. Then again, thats what NextLoop is good for: Work with LoopCopy=Snd or NextMultiply and 2 loops. Thus you can also Redo. To fascilitate this, I could make longUndo (if MoreLoops >1) switch to the previous loop and erase the next, so next time you press Next, LoopCopy=Snd causes a new copy. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 8 18:39:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04974; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 18:37:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 18:37:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Borders Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 18:37:42 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <--D5DB.A.hNB.WeBq6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gigs at Borders up until this very week were booked through each store's Community Relations Coordinator. Borders is now restucturing and eliminating this job from most stores, and will have a regional one which handles several stores at once. Most likely, each store's events will be in chaos until the dust settles, most likely in a few weeks. Best thing to do is go to Borders, and get the name and voice mail # of the person who books the events at that time. Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > 734 is in Ann Arbor, MI > That is where Borders HQ is, along with a store which has shows. As for > whether this number is for gigs nationwide, your guess is as good as mine. > Pete > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 8 18:41:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05188; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 18:40:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 18:40:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.75] Reply-To: "Greg S" From: "Greg S" To: References: Subject: Re: OT gig spam question - Border's Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 15:39:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005F_01C0A7E5.EC72A6A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Mar 2001 23:39:17.0378 (UTC) FILETIME=[FDA1EE20:01C0A828] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C0A7E5.EC72A6A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Each Border's is in charge of their own events. Don't bother calling = the corporate office in Ann Arbor. I know people who've played at a = number of different Borders stores here in the Seattle area and it's = always handled by the store itself. Some stores are better equipped = (physically and staff-wise) for handling live performance. I also used to work at Border's corporate office in A2 waaaaayyyyy back = when and know that each store has their own local events co-ordinator = for handling author signings, community events, etc. Perhaps someone in = that position could be the most helpful (or the store manager of = course). Good luck, Greg ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 9:26 AM Subject: OT gig spam question a little while ago, several folk here had gigs at BORDERS, could you = give me=20 any insight into the best way of approaching these people to play=20 there.....were these paying gigs or "get to know me" gigs.....the = reason i=20 ask is, there are 3 of their stores nearby.....any help would be = wonderful,=20 off list of course!.....thanks.....michael=20 ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C0A7E5.EC72A6A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Each Border's is in charge of their own = events.  Don't bother calling the corporate office in Ann = Arbor.  I=20 know people who've played at a number of different Borders stores here = in the=20 Seattle area and it's always handled by the store itself.  Some = stores are=20 better equipped (physically and staff-wise) for handling live=20 performance.
 
I also used to work at Border's = corporate office in=20 A2 waaaaayyyyy back when and know that each store has their own local = events=20 co-ordinator for handling author signings, community events, etc.  = Perhaps=20 someone in that position could be the most helpful (or the store manager = of=20 course).
 
Good luck,
Greg
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Nemoguitt@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 = 9:26=20 AM
Subject: OT gig spam = question

a little = while ago,=20 several folk here had gigs at BORDERS, could you give me
any = insight into=20 the best way of approaching these people to play
there.....were = these=20 paying gigs or "get to know me" gigs.....the reason i
ask is, = there are 3=20 of their stores nearby.....any help would be wonderful,
off list = of=20 course!.....thanks.....michael = ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C0A7E5.EC72A6A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 8 19:01:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05677; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 18:49:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 18:49:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.1.20010308183707.00a04060@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: taghairm@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 18:47:42 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: p koniuto Subject: Re: Vortex Noise In-Reply-To: <33.11abb9b0.27d8ae9b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andy Butler said: >Lexicon's flat repair rate for the Vortex is $95 US. Outside of the US, This is unfortunately no longer the case. Since it is now considered a "Legacy" product (i.e. it's been more than five years since manufacturing of the Vortex ceased), it is repaired on an estimate basis. Same thing for the JamDoodle. It'll cost $75 US for them to do the estimate. If you choose to have the work done, they apply that $75 to the cost of the repair. I recently had my JamMan repaired (rotary encoders replaced, etc.). The estimate was somewhere around $140, but the repair ended up being closer to $115. Turnaround time was around 3 weeks or so. All still worth it for a functional Vortex, i say. Grooves, peter koniuto --mundus vult decipi-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 8 19:23:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06646; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 19:12:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 19:12:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <33.11b1526d.27d9797f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 19:10:39 EST Subject: Re: Korg KARMA To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_33.11b1526d.27d9797f_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_33.11b1526d.27d9797f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/8/01 5:09:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, phv40@hotmail.com writes: > paolo.....looks like a neat box.....i messed with a "triton" at a store and was really knocked out.....since i got a mixer, ive been able to bring my mighty cz-5000 into the soup, so much fun and weird coloration, i can just imagine what one of these new puppies could do for ya.....please keep us updated on your korg karma kwest.....michael --part1_33.11b1526d.27d9797f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/8/01 5:09:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, phv40@hotmail.com
writes:


http://www.karma-lab.com


paolo.....looks like a neat box.....i messed with a "triton" at a store and
was really knocked out.....since i got a mixer, ive been able to bring my
mighty cz-5000 into the soup, so much fun and weird coloration, i can just
imagine what one of these new puppies could do for ya.....please keep us
updated on your korg karma kwest.....michael --part1_33.11b1526d.27d9797f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 8 20:28:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08394; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 20:19:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 20:19:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 20:18:01 EST Subject: n.p. OAH.....at last To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_e1.1158addf.27d98949_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: <8CZvpD.A.qCC.t9Cq6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_e1.1158addf.27d98949_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit about as loopy as it gets!.....wonderful wonderful wonderful.....david, many of your sounds evoked groans of delight from me, glad i was alone.....you're really kickin out da jams, goodness!......thank you.....michael --part1_e1.1158addf.27d98949_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit about as loopy as it gets!.....wonderful wonderful wonderful.....david, many
of your sounds evoked groans of  delight from me, glad i was alone.....you're
really kickin out da jams, goodness!......thank you.....michael --part1_e1.1158addf.27d98949_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 8 20:32:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08458; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 20:23:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 20:23:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:23:05 -0500 Subject: Pulsewidth site update From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry for the spam. Today I posted general updates and two sizable MPGs of Feedback Music, since my ISP expanded my disc space. Those interested in more extreme looping (and who have fast connections) may want to check out the full track from the "Ourobouros' CD at http://www.pulsewidth.com/media/indo.mp3 and a long "live" piece at: http://www.pulsewidth.com/media/live26Feb01.mp3 the former is at max MPG quality, the latter somewhat less. First time I have attempted such large files, so let me know if they come through. Also performance dates have been added to a "news" section. Thanks all.... David Lee Myers pulsewidth.com ----------------------------------------------------- "Ourobouros" CD of new Feedback Music available now on Pulsewidth! In NYC at Downtown Music, Kim's Mondo, and Other Music, and through Forced Exposure, Anomalous, Wayside, Electronic Music Foundation, Recommended, and Staalplaat. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 8 21:06:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09533; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 21:03:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 21:03:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 21:02:40 EST Subject: Re: Pulsewidth site update To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Outstanding! I wish I'd checked out your music much earlier. Sort of reminds me of some of James Tenney's experiments at Bell Labs in the 60s. Very "out" indeed. Cool! Thanks! Keep the spam comming. T Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 8 22:09:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11012; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 22:06:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 22:06:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: mhamburg@mailsj-v1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:23:21 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Mark Hamburg" Subject: Re: Korg KARMA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I played with the Karma for a while as well. I couldn't decide whether it was cool or whether it was an auto-accompaniment box on steroids. I'm waiting to see a review from someone who spends more than an hour or so with it. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 8 22:20:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11286; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 22:19:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 22:19:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: mhamburg@mailsj-v1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <001201c0a406$141a4980$99990fce@com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:52:56 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Mark Hamburg" Subject: Re: EDP Undo Function Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:21 PM -0800 3/8/01, Matthias Grob wrote: >Mark: >>A request for the long fabled update to the EDP software: > >Nice suggestions, thank you. >You seem to think rather Quantized. We want the liberty to press any >function at any time and it should do it immediately (although we >also offer quantized). > >>Could we have an option to change short press undo while in playback >>(rather than record or overdub) to mean undo back to before the last >>operation/redo the operation? > >So in Overdub the function would be what we have now? While in overdub, undo should cancel out of the overdub and take things back to where they were before overdub was pressed. That's what the manual indicates it does though your comments below indicate otherwise. >In Play it would for example go back to before the last Overdub was started? Yes. >The long press function cannot be totally different because we start >the action before the long time is reached. As a programmer, I agree that I hate having to do things differently based on how long one presses a button. You can always take the action at button up time rather than button down with the downside that it now feels like there's a lag. > >>I suspect that part of the confusion over >>undo on the EDP that comes up on this list (or at least part of my >>confusion at times when using it) is the trim the last layer behavior. > >I dont quite understand... trim? According to the manual, a short press means undo the topmost layer from the time of the press until the cycle point. In other words, trim off the end of the topmost layer. > >>Reading the manual, it suggests that when we run out of memory, if at >>all possible the pre-operation loop is preserved. In other words, if we >>have room for 3 loops in memory and we start with A and layer B followed by >>C followed by D in a single overdub, then memory ends up holding A, A+B+C, >>and A+B+C+D. Is this correct? If not, could there be an option to provide >>this behavior? We've obviously got to toss something out, and it would seem >>better to toss A+B rather than A. > >due to the delay structure we use, all overdubed versions follow each >other in memory. So what you suggest is that we keep A separately >while running through the rest of the memory, so A can be called back. >This somehow fits to he new UNDO function you suggest above. We could >save a previous version of the loop (not necessarily the very first >nor before the last function) and come back to it later. >Then again, thats what NextLoop is good for: >Work with LoopCopy=Snd or NextMultiply and 2 loops. Thus you can also Redo. > >To fascilitate this, I could make longUndo (if MoreLoops >1) switch >to the previous loop and erase the next, so next time you press Next, >LoopCopy=Snd causes a new copy. I could certainly see something based around multiple loops as a way to do this. Here's what I'm trying to do: Start an overdub (or multiply) by hitting the appropriate single button. If I know in the midst of what I'm doing that I don't like it, undo should cancel me out and take me back to where things were before I started the operation. If after I've completed the operation, I don't like it, I'd still like to be able to go back to before I started the operation. It would also be interesting to be able to flip back and forth to compare the two versions. Undoing a single loop's worth of overdubbing or removing a gratuitous multiply cycle would also be nice but I view them as gravy. I haven't figured out a case for when I'd want to just chop off the end of an overdbub. Do you have any good examples of when this is useful? In any event, if doing this required using two loops, I could cope with that provided that it didn't mean that I had to trigger a lot of operations with a combination of next and the operation switch. On the other hand, if done within a loop, then the next loop functionality becomes another level of checkpointing on top of things. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 9 00:36:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA13965; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 00:35:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 00:35:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 00:34:40 -0500 Subject: Re: Pulsewidth site update From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0fCiED.A.-ZD.3tGq6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks T-- I do see my stuff as being between "classic studio", Bell Labs, etc., and perhaps current German minimalism (Marcus Popp, Jan St. Werner). Do check out the incredible early 60's work of Tod Dockstader on the Starkland label... David Lee Myers pulsewidth.com ----------------------------------------------------- "Ourobouros" CD of new Feedback Music available now on Pulsewidth! In NYC at Downtown Music, Kim's Mondo, and Other Music, and through Forced Exposure, Anomalous, Wayside, Electronic Music Foundation, Recommended, and Staalplaat. on 3/8/01 9:02 PM, KILLINFO@aol.com at KILLINFO@aol.com wrote: > Outstanding! > > I wish I'd checked out your music much earlier. Sort of reminds me of some of > James Tenney's experiments at Bell Labs in the 60s. Very "out" indeed. Cool! > > Thanks! Keep the spam comming. > > T Killian > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 9 00:43:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA14128; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 00:41:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 00:41:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 00:41:18 -0500 Subject: Re: n.p. OAH.....at last From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Amen! Just got OAH & Remiksis; beautiful stuff--dt's making me eyeball that dusty strat in the corner.... David Lee Myers on 3/8/01 8:18 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com at Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: about as loopy as it gets!.....wonderful wonderful wonderful.....david, many of your sounds evoked groans of delight from me, glad i was alone.....you're really kickin out da jams, goodness!......thank you.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 9 01:00:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA14898; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 00:59:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 00:59:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AA871C7.F4DC5714@minds-eye.org> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 22:01:44 -0800 From: Kevin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loop Subject: OT: Two Zoom 2100s for sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there, I have 2 Zoom 2100 multi FX pedals for sale. Looping content you ask? 6 seconds sound on sound, 10 seconds delay and 3 separate 5 second samples that can be triggered and played independently. All this in addition to the usual multiFX (Ring Mod, Trem, Phaser, Chorus, distortion, wah, etc, etc). You also get a 35 second audio sampler that can slow a sample down into a very strange digital mess (they claim it will teach you how to play other people's riffs, I say it will disintegrate into small particles of pulsating sound vaguely resembling the original, something many of you may well enjoy). At any rate, these are in excellent condition (never took the protective plastic off the face plates even) and have original boxes, and power supplies (For the life of me I don't know what happened to the manuals so you get photocopies of those). These pedals are no longer in production and are great portable mini-loopers (about 8" x 5"). I'm asking for $95 a piece, shipping to be determined (I'm in the US). If you're interested, please drop me a line at kevin@minds-eye.org Thanks Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 9 02:52:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA16993; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 02:50:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 02:50:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003001c0a86c$d3432060$64b4a8c0@mindspring.com> From: "phalen orion" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Ensoniq DP/4 Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 23:44:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm thinking of picking up an Ensoniq DP/4, and I was just wondering what others experiences have been looping with this as the primary effects unit. Also, what would a "going" price for the unit be, with Ensoniq swallowed up by creative labs? Best, phalen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 9 03:05:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA17698; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 03:03:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 03:03:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQysanaAH5S4sB9RQVNwHjxspfhcQIUDctxGoRUvp/96jHUQl7mQH5LBms= From: VeryLargeArray@webtv.net (Alasdair Hallenbeck) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 03:02:09 -0500 (EST) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Digital loops? slightly O.T. Message-ID: <7819-3AA88E01-2512@storefull-234.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi I have been looping vocals and flute for about four years now. I currently use two very old reel to reel recorders and a few efx. but I am sick and tired of splicing my finger instead of tape. So I decided to take the plunge into the digital realm but after doing some research I've heard that digital recording can mute the harmonics of complex sounds seeing that I am an overtone singer this could be a major problem. I was wondering what thoughts people had on this subject. I know this is a bit off topic but I haven't been able to get a non biased consensus from other musicians. Any thoughts or solutions for this problem would be very helpful seeing that I am already on the waiting list for the Repeater. I live under a rock and use webtv I'm also very new to digital technology so please forgive my ignorance. ;8^) best wishes A.H. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 9 04:09:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA19344; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 04:07:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 04:07:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010309090635.90773.qmail@web9505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 01:06:35 -0800 (PST) From: "PreHeatOven Management Inc." Subject: FS/Trade 4 Stick/Warr To: neutral.milk.hotel@eudoramail.com, frank@larrivee.com, drakeley@monmouth.com, andrew@thevision.net, skumis@indiana.edu, btm@billtmiller.com, dschlacter@yahoo.com, Daaavud@aol.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have the following items for sale. Will consider trades for Chapman Stick or Warr Guitar. ***** Custom-made matching fretted & fretless headless 6-string bass guitars: 35" scale 5-pc maple/purpleheart/wenge neck, 2 titanium truss rods w/ graphite supports, ebony fingerboards, zebrawood sides,sapele backs, brass hardware, Lane Poor PJ pickups, Aguilar OMP-1 preamps. Also built-in Wittman Spin-Straps w/ parllel output jack, Wittman electronic tuners, & headphone practice preamps he designed w/ auxillary stero inputs & independent headphones/instrument-out volumes. $2500 ea o/b/o. Reunion Blues double guitar backpack case holds both. Pic on "gear" page at http://www.geocities.com/preheatoven Knilling carved-spruce top flatback 3/4-sized acoustic upright bass. Ebony fingerboard & trim. Maple bridge w/ aluminum bridge adjustors. New Corelli Forte strings. K&K Bassmaster Pro pickups/preamp. Padded bag, begginer French Bow & rosin, Simandel & other instructional texts. 2 years old. $2500. BAG END ELF-1 stereo crossover & subwoofer control. This single space processor fits between your preamp & poweramp & is designed to work with your Bag End ELF speakers to provide amazingly smooth Extended Low Frequency respnse all the way down to 18 Hz, a full octave below standard 4 string bass! Designed for use with BagEnd Subwoofer in combination with any high frequency cabs you like. Retail List new was $2860. Excellent condition with original manual. EMAIL ===== tony o www.geocities.com/preheatoven __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 9 04:09:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA19368; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 04:07:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 04:07:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010309090726.90824.qmail@web9505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 01:07:26 -0800 (PST) From: "PreHeatOven Management Inc." Subject: FS/trade 4 Warr To: neutral.milk.hotel@eudoramail.com, frank@larrivee.com, drakeley@monmouth.com, andrew@thevision.net, skumis@indiana.edu, btm@billtmiller.com, dschlacter@yahoo.com, Daaavud@aol.com Cc: info@gigmasters.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Lily Woo" has 12-string Stick w/ midi for sale or trade for Warr Guitar. ===== tony o www.geocities.com/preheatoven __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 9 04:16:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA19708; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 04:15:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 04:15:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List \(E-mail\)" Subject: Software sample player Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 10:13:54 +0100 Message-ID: <002701c0a879$44728940$0301a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0028_01C0A881.A636F140" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C0A881.A636F140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fellow loopers, does anyone know of a software for pc's running win9x functioning as a sample player - i.e. something where you have pusbuttons on your screen to play oneshot or loop samples, perhaps even with faders for speed/pitch and the possibility to use some directX plugins ? Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C0A881.A636F140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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does = anyone know of=20 a software for pc's running win9x functioning as a sample player - i.e.=20 something where you have pusbuttons on your screen to play oneshot or = loop=20 samples, perhaps even with faders for speed/pitch and the possibility to = use=20 some directX plugins ?
 
       =20 Rainer
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C0A881.A636F140-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 9 07:05:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA22387; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 06:54:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 06:54:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ea01c0a88f$d190eea0$71b51597@default> From: "Italo De Angelis" To: "loopers-delight" Subject: REPEATER at MusikMesse Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 12:55:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just got a personal demo of REPEATER at Frankfurt musikmesse...people listen, this box is a real motherfucker...period!!! You're going to have the best looping time of your life so far. It works great and it will even work better in some more weeks of tweaking. It's simply amazing at how speechless this unit will set you. BIG BOX! Italo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 9 08:45:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA24845; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 08:40:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 08:40:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 08:29:25 -0500 Subject: Akai S612 Message-ID: <20010309.082926.-1724609.4.aiwaz93@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1,3,5,7-11 From: David J Greiner Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hoping someone can help me here. I just picked up one of these really cheap and love it. Here's the thing. On the back of the unit there's a little toggle switch above the port that the disc drive plugs into. What is it and what does it do? There's no mention of it in the manual so it may have been a mod made after the fact? Any ideas? Thank you! -David- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 9 09:08:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26237; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:07:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:07:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <000b01c0a8a2$75ef01a0$02e099c6@futures.org> From: "Ray" To: References: <20010309.082926.-1724609.4.aiwaz93@juno.com> Subject: Re: Akai S612 Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 08:08:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com used to have one of these, and have no recollection of the switch - supporting your supposition caution - you should *always* power off before (dis)connecting scsi peripherals but with this puppy - you should *really* do so (from one who didn't - thankfully under warranty) maybe the switch is a circuit breaker replacing a fuse which is difficult to get to enjoy - i had some real neat stuf goin on with mine, but wanted 'real' sounds at the time (silly me) rayO > Hoping someone can help me here. I just picked up one of these really > cheap and > love it. Here's the thing. On the back of the unit there's a little > toggle switch above the > port that the disc drive plugs into. What is it and what does it do? > There's no > mention of it in the manual so it may have been a mod made after the > fact? > Any ideas? > > Thank you! > > -David- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 9 09:44:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27317; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:41:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:41:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AA91493.9B72687A@home.com> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 09:36:19 -0800 From: Will Brake Organization: Soul Fruit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0407 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ensoniq DP/4 References: <003001c0a86c$d3432060$64b4a8c0@mindspring.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------C9129EDE279BEC0D1C2EBA0C" Resent-Message-ID: <8s0eV.A.lqG.RuOq6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C9129EDE279BEC0D1C2EBA0C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would avoid Ensoniq products. They were "swallowed up" by EMU. The transition has not been pretty. We are having great difficulty getting repair parts for any Ensoniq products. Some repairs are taking over a year to complete because of this. DP/4? Good processor. Two versions. Original version had one PCB. The later model split the analog and digital sections into individual PCB's. For those who don't know, PCB = printed circuit board. I would opt for the latter version with two boards. I've seen fewer problems with those. I think the later model was called the DP/4 +, but I seem to remember seeing split boards in a DP/4. I see so many pieces of gear, it's difficult to remember the repair without looking it up. Hope this helps! Be Well Will Brake http://www.soul-fruit.com phalen orion wrote: > > I'm thinking of picking up an Ensoniq DP/4, and I was just wondering what > others experiences have been looping with this as the primary effects unit. > > Also, what would a "going" price for the unit be, with Ensoniq swallowed up > by creative labs? > > Best, > phalen --------------C9129EDE279BEC0D1C2EBA0C Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="wbrake.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Will Brake Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="wbrake.vcf" begin:vcard n:Brake;Will tel;work:248-583-1856 x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http//www.soul-fruit.com org:Soul Fruit adr:;;2900 Rochester Road;Royal Oak;Michigan;48073;USA version:2.1 email;internet:wbrake@home.com title:Owner fn:Will Brake end:vcard --------------C9129EDE279BEC0D1C2EBA0C-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 9 11:09:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29961; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 11:07:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 11:07:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 11:06:33 EST Subject: Re: OT: Two Zoom 2100s for sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d1.370beac.27da5989_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_d1.370beac.27da5989_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit if i had the scoot-ol-a i would get both of these, they are great little boxes that can cause a whole lot of craziness.....michael --part1_d1.370beac.27da5989_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit if i had the scoot-ol-a i would get both of these, they are great little
boxes that can cause a whole lot of craziness.....michael --part1_d1.370beac.27da5989_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 9 11:13:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30137; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 11:11:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 11:11:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: Re: Digital loops? slightly O.T. Message-ID: <0056910010746193000002L132*@MHS> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 10:13:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 03/09/01 10:04:31" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA30101 Resent-Message-ID: <9BMpYC.A.kWH.XCQq6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> I've heard that digital recording can mute the harmonics of complex sounds seeing that I am an overtone singer this could be a major problem. >> You won't notice any such thing using quality digital equipment. I use an Echoplex Digital Pro and an Eventide Orville for looping and they both have frequency response better than my 48 year old ears. Dynamic range is another problem : the EDP is no better than a CD of course, the Orville is better, but they don't approach the dynamic range of the human ear (leaves rustling to gunshots). Brother K From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 9 12:03:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31755; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 12:01:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 12:01:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20010309110030.008a45a0@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 11:00:30 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: Ensoniq DP/4 In-Reply-To: <3AA91493.9B72687A@home.com> References: <003001c0a86c$d3432060$64b4a8c0@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I've read that the DP/4 is a great box, but it's noisy (which makes it not such a great box for me). Can anyone speak to this? Thanks, M.. At 09:36 AM 3/9/01 -0800, you wrote: >I would avoid Ensoniq products. They were "swallowed up" by EMU. The >transition has not been pretty. We are having great difficulty getting >repair parts for any Ensoniq products. Some repairs are taking over a >year to complete because of this. > >DP/4? Good processor. Two versions. Original version had one PCB. The >later model split the analog and digital sections into individual PCB's. >For those who don't know, PCB = printed circuit board. I would opt for >the latter version with two boards. I've seen fewer problems with those. > >I think the later model was called the DP/4 +, but I seem to remember >seeing split boards in a DP/4. I see so many pieces of gear, it's >difficult to remember the repair without looking it up. Hope this helps! > >Be Well > >Will Brake >http://www.soul-fruit.com > >phalen orion wrote: >> >> I'm thinking of picking up an Ensoniq DP/4, and I was just wondering what >> others experiences have been looping with this as the primary effects unit. >> >> Also, what would a "going" price for the unit be, with Ensoniq swallowed up >> by creative labs? >> >> Best, >> phalen >Attachment Converted: "e:\eudora\attach\wbrake6.vcf" > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 9 12:13:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA32116; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 12:12:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 12:12:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: DORIANTOO@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 12:10:56 EST Subject: "UN-SUBSCRIBE" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Resent-Message-ID: <3PlWYC.A.i1H.M7Qq6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com PLEASE REMOVE ME FROM MAILING. THANK YOU From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 9 13:09:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01198; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 13:07:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 13:07:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014e01c0a8c4$9ff71380$e15dfea9@vaio> Reply-To: "Kevin Goldsmith" From: "Kevin Goldsmith" To: References: <003001c0a86c$d3432060$64b4a8c0@mindspring.com> <3.0.3.32.20010309110030.008a45a0@mail.airmail.net> Subject: Re: Ensoniq DP/4 Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 10:13:19 -0800 Organization: Unit Circle Media MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have the DP/4+ and it is an amazingly powerful sometime quite noisy box. It seems to depend on the effects that I'm using, but I usually wire it's outputs directly into an EQ to reduce the noise. Kevin Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Clark" To: Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 9:00 AM Subject: Re: Ensoniq DP/4 > Hi, > > I've read that the DP/4 is a great box, but it's noisy (which makes it not > such a great box for me). > > Can anyone speak to this? > > Thanks, > > M.. > > > At 09:36 AM 3/9/01 -0800, you wrote: > >I would avoid Ensoniq products. They were "swallowed up" by EMU. The > >transition has not been pretty. We are having great difficulty getting > >repair parts for any Ensoniq products. Some repairs are taking over a > >year to complete because of this. > > > >DP/4? Good processor. Two versions. Original version had one PCB. The > >later model split the analog and digital sections into individual PCB's. > >For those who don't know, PCB = printed circuit board. I would opt for > >the latter version with two boards. I've seen fewer problems with those. > > > >I think the later model was called the DP/4 +, but I seem to remember > >seeing split boards in a DP/4. I see so many pieces of gear, it's > >difficult to remember the repair without looking it up. Hope this helps! > > > >Be Well > > > >Will Brake > >http://www.soul-fruit.com > > > >phalen orion wrote: > >> > >> I'm thinking of picking up an Ensoniq DP/4, and I was just wondering what > >> others experiences have been looping with this as the primary effects unit. > >> > >> Also, what would a "going" price for the unit be, with Ensoniq swallowed up > >> by creative labs? > >> > >> Best, > >> phalen > >Attachment Converted: "e:\eudora\attach\wbrake6.vcf" > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 9 13:48:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02118; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 13:46:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 13:46:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000301c0a8c9$f59d6640$1b9c6fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: , References: <7819-3AA88E01-2512@storefull-234.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Digital loops? slightly O.T. Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 15:35:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nah, I started out using Reel to reels and found them to have a very limited dynamic range.. Go digital, that's my advice. Of course there's digital and digital.......... Gareth > Hi > I have been looping vocals and flute for about four years now. I > currently use two very old reel to reel recorders and a few efx. but I > am sick and tired of splicing my finger instead of tape. So I decided to > take the plunge into the digital realm but after doing some research > I've heard that digital recording can mute the harmonics of complex > sounds seeing that I am an overtone singer this could be a major > problem. I was wondering what thoughts people had on this subject. I > know this is a bit off topic but I haven't been able to get a non biased > consensus from other musicians. Any thoughts or solutions for this > problem would be very helpful seeing that I am already on the waiting > list for the Repeater. > > I live under a rock and use webtv I'm also very new to digital > technology so please forgive my ignorance. ;8^) > > best wishes > A.H. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 9 13:48:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02116; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 13:46:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 13:46:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c0a8c9$f4b26a00$1b9c6fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: , "Looper's Delight Mailing List \(E-mail\)" References: <002701c0a879$44728940$0301a8c0@SATAN> Subject: Re: Software sample player Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 15:32:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01C0A8AE.26F76FE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C0A8AE.26F76FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Try Audiomulch at Audiomulch.com. Loads of samples including timestretching, effects, automation. VST, = (not DirX) plugins etc etc. Gareth Does anyone know of a software for pc's running win9x functioning as a = sample player - i.e. something where you have pusbuttons on your screen = to play oneshot or loop samples, perhaps even with faders for = speed/pitch and the possibility to use some directX plugins ? =20 Rainer ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C0A8AE.26F76FE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Try Audiomulch at = Audiomulch.com.
Loads of samples including = timestretching,=20 effects, automation. VST, (not DirX) plugins etc etc.
 
Gareth
 
Does = anyone know=20 of a software for pc's running win9x functioning as a sample player - = i.e.=20 something where you have pusbuttons on your screen to play oneshot or = loop=20 samples, perhaps even with faders for speed/pitch and the possibility = to use=20 some directX plugins ?
 
       =20 Rainer
 
------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C0A8AE.26F76FE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 9 14:01:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02710; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 13:58:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 13:58:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Mark Messina To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Software sample player Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 12:55:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0A8CA.949F8E9E" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0A8CA.949F8E9E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm not sure about plug-ins, but have you checked out Recycle from stienberg/propellerhead? The editing capabilities are sick!! Also the Reason software from Propellerhead has virtual samplers in it, but I don't believe you can record directly into them, you have to convert format, which recycle does. Mark -----Original Message----- From: whiteoakstudios [mailto:whiteoakstudios@supanet.com] Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 9:32 AM To: rs@moinlabs.de; Looper's Delight Mailing List (E-mail) Subject: Re: Software sample player Try Audiomulch at Audiomulch.com. Loads of samples including timestretching, effects, automation. VST, (not DirX) plugins etc etc. Gareth Does anyone know of a software for pc's running win9x functioning as a sample player - i.e. something where you have pusbuttons on your screen to play oneshot or loop samples, perhaps even with faders for speed/pitch and the possibility to use some directX plugins ? Rainer ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0A8CA.949F8E9E Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
I'm not sure about plug-ins, but have you checked out Recycle from stienberg/propellerhead?
 
The editing capabilities are sick!! Also the Reason software from Propellerhead has virtual samplers in it, but I don't believe you can record directly into them, you have to convert format, which recycle does.
 
Mark
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To: rs@moinlabs.de; Looper's Delight Mailing List (E-mail)
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Try Audiomulch at Audiomulch.com.
Loads of samples including timestretching, effects, automation. VST, (not DirX) plugins etc etc.
 
Gareth
 
Does anyone know of a software for pc's running win9x functioning as a sample player - i.e. something where you have pusbuttons on your screen to play oneshot or loop samples, perhaps even with faders for speed/pitch and the possibility to use some directX plugins ?
 
        Rainer
 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C0A8CA.949F8E9E-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 9 14:01:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03156; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 13:59:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 13:59:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Lee Barnes" To: Subject: RE: Ensoniq DP/4 Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 14:00:00 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20010309110030.008a45a0@mail.airmail.net> Resent-Message-ID: <-HJxRC.A.1q.sfSq6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I also have one and I've not had any problems with it. As for being noisy, no mine doesn't seem to be that bad unless any of the distortion effects are on, and the phaser seems to have a small bit of hiss to it. The big thing you'll want to watch out for in this is that you do put it to an eq of some kind and how you have it set up in your signal chain. Typically, I like to use mine for a Reverb box, so it's towards the end of the chain, but before the Boomerang. Tap on, gliss extended, loop out, Lee -----Original Message----- From: Michael Clark [mailto:mcl451@airmail.net] Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 12:01 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ensoniq DP/4 Hi, I've read that the DP/4 is a great box, but it's noisy (which makes it not such a great box for me). Can anyone speak to this? Thanks, M.. At 09:36 AM 3/9/01 -0800, you wrote: >I would avoid Ensoniq products. They were "swallowed up" by EMU. The >transition has not been pretty. We are having great difficulty getting >repair parts for any Ensoniq products. Some repairs are taking over a >year to complete because of this. > >DP/4? Good processor. Two versions. Original version had one PCB. The >later model split the analog and digital sections into individual PCB's. >For those who don't know, PCB = printed circuit board. I would opt for >the latter version with two boards. I've seen fewer problems with those. > >I think the later model was called the DP/4 +, but I seem to remember >seeing split boards in a DP/4. I see so many pieces of gear, it's >difficult to remember the repair without looking it up. Hope this helps! > >Be Well > >Will Brake >http://www.soul-fruit.com > >phalen orion wrote: >> >> I'm thinking of picking up an Ensoniq DP/4, and I was just wondering what >> others experiences have been looping with this as the primary effects unit. >> >> Also, what would a "going" price for the unit be, with Ensoniq swallowed up >> by creative labs? >> >> Best, >> phalen >Attachment Converted: "e:\eudora\attach\wbrake6.vcf" > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 9 14:05:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03653; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 14:03:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 14:03:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: mhamburg@mailsj-v1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <007001c0a800$53677790$6844230a@mlameyer02> References: <33.11abb9b0.27d8ae9b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:57:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Mark Hamburg" Subject: Re: Vortex Noise Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks to the suggestions on this list, my Vortex is now much quieter. (I don't know that I'd call it quiet, but it's no longer incredibly annoying.) The trick: I turned the output all the way up on the previous item in the chain (my EDP as it happens) and then turned the Vortex input down as low as possible. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 9 14:05:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03652; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 14:03:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 14:03:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: mhamburg@mailsj-v1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:54:18 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Mark Hamburg" Subject: Re: Korg KARMA Resent-Message-ID: <8S1cVB.A.w4.mjSq6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I remembered after posting this that my comment to the manager in the store was: "It's cool but it isn't clear whether it would just enable me to sound like Korg's programmers." Mark At 4:23 PM -0800 3/8/01, Mark Hamburg wrote: >I played with the Karma for a while as well. I couldn't decide whether it >was cool or whether it was an auto-accompaniment box on steroids. I'm >waiting to see a review from someone who spends more than an hour or so >with it. > >Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 9 16:10:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07166; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 16:07:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 16:07:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <012f01c0a8dc$feb23fe0$02e099c6@futures.org> From: "Ray O'Graf" To: References: <200103082250.f28MoUj28521@echonyc.com> Subject: Re: Casio FZ-1 Loops Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 15:07:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > There was actually a book published on this beast and it's cousins, the > fZ-10 and FZ-20. It's well worth seeking out. Any further information would be much appreciated > The FZs will do complex, multistage loops within a sample. right. i see that i can do 8 stages (like the adsr+) but the best i can get is for one additional iteration _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 9 16:59:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08251; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 16:56:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 16:56:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.165.24.20] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex Noise Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 21:55:06 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Mar 2001 21:55:06.0697 (UTC) FILETIME=[9A597390:01C0A8E3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmmmm..'tho I am not using a Vortex (but sometimes I wish I had one of those truely cool boxes to mutate thru), I did experience a perhaps similar condition with other "lower-grade" Lexicon units. Namely my JamMan and Alex (a great verb and fx for bass, BTW). I did not think that either were excessively noisy....but just enough to be irritating. And the more layers I put in the JamPup, the more noise was recycled (of course). After a lot of fussing about I found two remedies: First...those wall warts that Lexicon ships with their "cheaper" units are terribly noisy. My rack runs off a Furman PL Plus and with no signal thru anything, having those wall warts (the Lexi ones)just plugged into the Furman and the JamBoy and Alex mounted in the rack....enough hiss was produced to be irritating. So I plugged the wallwart into an extension cord and moved it away from the rack....viola! no more hiss! Next I bought a small square power strip/surge protector (like Radio shack and such sells for home computers) and velcro mounted that at the very back of my rack...as far away from all components as possible. That power strip is just for the wall warts. I found thru some experiments that if you move the Lexicon power supplies about 6-8" from their units it removes the annoying hiss. (it is also a good idea to keep those suckers away form anything else in the rack as well!) I don't have a Vortex...but it sounds like some of you might be experiencing a similar effect... about thoise effect chains....I found that running a processor direct to the ins of a looper is NOT an efficient route. I, like most of you, like to print fx on my loops, but running an fx unit to the input of a looper (either JamMan or EDP) simply adds to the noise. the simple answer is to use a mixer with multiple aux sends. then you can return the loops to a channel and send on to further fx. But if you don't want to cart around a mixer and deal with all that patching, Raven Labs sells a MDB1 which is a three channel line mixer/direct box/buffer amp with 3 mono/1 stereo channel (all with 10megOhm impedances) and a sidechain (mono) aux loop. IIt's 1/2 rack size and run on batteries (100hours running time on 2 9v) I use that and a Raven Labs Instrument preamp....one aux loop for looper, one for fx (running the pre into the mixer/fx pre looper) and then that goes off to the amp.....zero (well, VERY< VERY little) noise. It is a quiet and efficient little setup....and has cut back on th4e annoying buzzes and noise greatly! Of course I am looping solo bass....this kinda setup will work I am sure for you guitarists also..... Max _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 9 19:58:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13633; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 19:56:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 19:56:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQSjap/IbeviAnPZAjqrlvpK3dtsAIUHreUw0dNnWjTIZbkGKZYGrIfq8g= From: VeryLargeArray@webtv.net (Alasdair Hallenbeck) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 19:55:20 -0500 (EST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Digital loops & Orville Message-ID: <25534-3AA97B78-176@storefull-234.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com's message of Fri, 9 Mar 2001 10:13:16 -0600 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <7aKLjC.A.kUD.FuXq6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Loopers, Thank you for you're thoughts in regards to digital loops. B^) In reading through the archives I've seen mention of the Eventide Orville and was wondering how intuitive this device might be to operate also what looping features does the Orville provide that other looping devices don't. sincerely A.H. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 9 20:24:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14789; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 20:22:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 20:22:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c0a900$8d23c640$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <25534-3AA97B78-176@storefull-234.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: mp3.com Spamanation Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 01:22:16 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, I've just posted "We'll Get Through This II" on my mp3.com site (http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman)and would love your feedback. I hope there are lots of little fiddly bits for your ear drums in there. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 9 20:24:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14688; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 20:21:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 20:21:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 17:12:29 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Digital loops & Orville In-reply-to: <25534-3AA97B78-176@storefull-234.iap.bryant.webtv.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: <25534-3AA97B78-176@storefull-234.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:55 PM -0500 3/9/01, Alasdair Hallenbeck wrote: >In reading through the archives I've seen mention of the Eventide >Orville and was wondering how intuitive this device might be to operate >also what looping features does the Orville provide that other looping >devices don't. You might check out the Eventide list: Orville has a bank of loop programs, many designed by Scott Gilfix. There are some four-track delay-based loopers that allow simultaneous different-length loops. The Sampler feature is very powerful too. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 10 03:32:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA23819; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 03:30:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 03:30:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 03:20:30 -0500 Subject: RE: Software sample player Message-ID: <20010310.032031.-1648051.0.aiwaz93@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3,5,7-8 From: David J Greiner Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Fellow loopers, > > does anyone know of a software for pc's running win9x functioning as a sample player - i.e. something > where you have pusbuttons on your screen to play oneshot or loop samples, perhaps even with > faders for speed/pitch and the possibility to use some directX plugins ? Try fruity loops --> www.fruityloops.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 10 08:53:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA29240; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 08:51:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 08:51:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 08:50:44 EST Subject: Re:Vortex & FS300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hi, can the Digitech=B4s FS300 footswitch be used on the > Vortex? can you wire it in some way to control 3 > functions with one FS300?, like tap/A/B & program > change. any non-latching switch will work for any of the 4 Vortex switching functions. non-latching = only makes a connection while you're holding it down. andy butler P.S. hi there Todd Madson still lurking after all these years From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 10 16:00:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06072; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 15:58:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 15:58:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007201c0a9a5$032aabc0$b1ab5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #207 Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 15:58:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed with a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #207 March 8, 2001. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Robert Scott Thompson, an Associate Professor of Music at Georgia State University in Atlanta where he is also the director of CARA, the Center for Audio Recording Arts. Robert has releases in several genres on many labels. The feature CD at Midnight was "The Silent Shore" on his the Mirage label. I also played the music of Kit Watkins who will perform at the next Gathering. I played Band of Fire as a birthday present to Mike Metlay. Robert Scott Thompson http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2001/focus01.html#mar Kit Watkins at the next Gathering http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Mike Metlay Band of Fire Band of Fire (Atomic City) Robert Rich Hour One Somnium Radio Edits (Hypnos) Kit Watkins Beauty Drifting Beauty Drifting (mp3.com) vidnaObmana Fleeting Space Subterranean Collective (Projekt) Ozone Player Insane Logic Insane Logic (Oy Visual Power) Steve Roach Slow Dissolve Early Man (Projekt) Radio Massacre Int'l. Organ Harvest Part Two Organ Harvest (Centaur) Spacecraft Summer Town * Summer Town (SpaceForMusic.com) 12:00 am Robert Scott Thompson Dream Song The Silent Shore (Mirage) Robert Scott Thompson Floe The Silent Shore (Mirage) Robert Scott Thompson Spirare The Silent Shore (Mirage) Robert Scott Thompson Still Life The Silent Shore (Mirage) Robert Scott Thompson Real and Imaginary The Silent Shore (Mirage) Robert Scott Thompson Erin Outback The Silent Shore (Mirage) Robert Scott Thompson Shimmer Upon the Mirror The Silent Shore (Mirage) Pond Robert Scott Thompson Chanter The Silent Shore (Mirage) Robert Scott Thompson Edge of Stillness The Silent Shore (Mirage) Robert Scott Thompson The Fragrance Soul The Silent Shore (Mirage) Robert Scott Thompson Causeway * The Silent Shore (Mirage) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Dr. Robert Scott Thompson. Next week's feature CD at midnight will be "Alchemy" on Robert's own Aucourant Records label. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 10 19:17:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10818; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 19:16:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 19:16:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3762FE9C13F2D3119321000629EE46DE0AF90C@HCI> From: Rod Morgan To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Vortex noisy? Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 19:15:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've enjoyed beong on this list but, I'm really intersested in loop talk. Seems sometimes there's everything but that. You can take me off the list. Thanks!! -----Original Message----- From: Noah McGee [mailto:nmcgee@andrew.cmu.edu] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 12:51 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Vortex noisy? got a vortex a few months ago and found that it was super noisy... major hiss whether bypassed or not. is this a common problem? Any other lexicon stuff i've used is very quiet. Is it just my unit? is there a way to remedy this? so far i haven't been disappointed with the possibilities of the vortex (although i feel like it's going to take an eternity fiddling with the thing to find optimal settings... that's sort of the fun of it though), but it's so noisy its almost not worth it... any ideas? noah "I lost my shape trying to act casual." -Byrne "Singular and Particular Detail is the Foundation of the Sublime" -Blake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 11 01:18:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA19729; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 01:13:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 01:13:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c0aa89$1e4bcee0$02000003@mpx.com.au> From: "cameron street" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 16:12:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01C0AA46.0EE20520" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C0AA46.0EE20520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C0AA46.0EE20520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C0AA46.0EE20520-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 11 04:12:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA23231; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 04:10:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 04:10:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <8b.37efeec.27dc9afa@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 04:10:18 EST Subject: Re: Vortex Noise To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Thanks to the suggestions on this list, my Vortex is now much quieter. (I > don't know that I'd call it quiet, but it's no longer incredibly annoying.) > The trick: > > I turned the output all the way up on the previous item in the chain (my > EDP as it happens) and then turned the Vortex input down as low as possible. > how about turning the Volume on "whatever your plugging the Vortex into" downwards and the I/P vol on the Vortex up. if you do this until the Vortex is barely clipping (LED) then you'll have the best possible settings for the Vortex. however if your going into a guitar amp the Vortex O/P , which is line level, may give you distortion. otherwise if your using registers & not presets you could try decreasing the OUTPUT parameter and increase the Vortex I/P to compensate. (then store the result) SSSSSSSSSSSssssssssssssssssssssssss~~~~~-----------------............. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 11 04:12:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA23230; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 04:10:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 04:10:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 04:10:17 EST Subject: Re: Vortex Noise To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: <8QSY7.A.dqF.9D0q6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Andy Butler said: > > >Lexicon's flat repair rate for the Vorte It wasn't me, I quoted that from the Lexicon Web Site. ....ab thanks for the update peter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 11 04:17:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA23436; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 04:16:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 04:16:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AAB4205.45904395@nextra.com> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 10:14:45 +0100 From: Robert Edvardsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com see topic -- mvh Robert A Edvardsen frisurf/820 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 11 09:55:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA29333; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 09:53:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 09:53:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010311095241.007d55f0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 09:52:41 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <3AAB4205.45904395@nextra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <5G-8MC.A._JH.KF5q6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com no, see instructions. (They're on the same page as the instructions you followed to subscribe; just scroll down. At 10:14 AM 3/11/01 +0100, you wrote: >see topic From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 11 15:37:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05108; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 15:35:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 15:35:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003701c0aa6b$3be28f20$48990fce@com> From: "Stephen Bradley and Kristen Chamberlin" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20010311095241.007d55f0@pop.ici.net> Subject: Reverb Units Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 15:38:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <7gwlz.A.ePB.8F-q6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi. Can anyone recommend an inexpensive and yet good reverb unit that can be controlled (on / off) with a footswitch, and which produces a smooth quality reverb up to and including "concert hall" level, without the repetetive kickback that some units produce? Thanks, stephen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 11 15:50:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05335; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 15:46:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 15:46:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008901c0aa6c$3bfe8620$337c0d98@uncg.edu> Reply-To: "insect politics" From: "insect politics" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20010311095241.007d55f0@pop.ici.net> <003701c0aa6b$3be28f20$48990fce@com> Subject: Re: Reverb Units Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 15:45:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I am pretty fond of my nanoverb, I believe it has footswitch jack but I don't have a footswitch so i can't tell you how responsive it is. You can find them for less than a hundred new if you look around. There's basically 16 presets with controls for the in, mix, out, and effect amount, so it may not be as complex as you are after, but hey, it's stereo. Plus the plate presets create semi loops by themselves. I'd say it's definitely worth the money, but I am not sure what you mean by repetitive kickback. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Bradley and Kristen Chamberlin To: Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 3:38 PM Subject: Reverb Units > Hi. Can anyone recommend an inexpensive and yet good reverb unit that can > be controlled (on / off) with a footswitch, and which produces a smooth > quality reverb up to and including "concert hall" level, without the > repetetive kickback that some units produce? > > Thanks, > stephen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 11 17:58:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08283; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 17:54:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 17:54:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200103112253.OAA12316@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 14:54:47 -0700 Subject: Re: Reverb Units To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well, bein a surfzoid looper kinda guy, my reverb is very critical for the sound i am after and for live rig i use the inexpensive for all my reverb patches. it has a footswitch(bypass) and is stereo(altho, like the jamman i think the stereo ins are combined to mono internally) i use mono in and out and it saves me from haulin my big spring,tube reverbs around. wotsa repetitive kickback? sounds like its against the law to me...maybe a felony?? deependofthereverbtank stanner >From: "insect politics" >To: >Subject: Re: Reverb Units >Date: Sun, Mar 11, 2001, 1:45 PM > >Well, I am pretty fond of my nanoverb, I believe it has footswitch jack but >I don't have a footswitch so i can't tell you how responsive it is. You can >find them for less than a hundred new if you look around. There's basically >16 presets with controls for the in, mix, out, and effect amount, so it may >not be as complex as you are after, but hey, it's stereo. Plus the plate >presets create semi loops by themselves. I'd say it's definitely worth the >money, but I am not sure what you mean by repetitive kickback. > >Jon > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Stephen Bradley and Kristen Chamberlin >To: >Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 3:38 PM >Subject: Reverb Units > > >> Hi. Can anyone recommend an inexpensive and yet good reverb unit that can >> be controlled (on / off) with a footswitch, and which produces a smooth >> quality reverb up to and including "concert hall" level, without the >> repetetive kickback that some units produce? >> >> Thanks, >> stephen >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 11 18:24:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09298; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 18:22:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 18:22:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01c0aa82$d0d711c0$42a926d4@tiny> From: "jp acca" To: References: Subject: please unsubsribe me Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 23:27:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01C0AA82.CF5E2D60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C0AA82.CF5E2D60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable un subscibe me plaease Message -----=20 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 4:06 PM Subject: Re: OT: Two Zoom 2100s for sale if i had the scoot-ol-a i would get both of these, they are great = little=20 boxes that can cause a whole lot of craziness.....michael=20 ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C0AA82.CF5E2D60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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if i had = the scoot-ol-a=20 i would get both of these, they are great little
boxes that can = cause a=20 whole lot of craziness.....michael = ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C0AA82.CF5E2D60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 11 19:49:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10964; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 19:47:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 19:47:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 19:45:30 EST Subject: reverb stuff and more..... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ea.1289e08b.27dd762a_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_ea.1289e08b.27dd762a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit this may be of interest in looking for a reverb unit and they used the word affordable in their blurb..... Click here: New from Alesis.....i found this as i was looking for information on their "air-synth", for some reason, i am really lusting after this piece, it seems that it would be neat in a "live" rig, same as the "air-fx", we made mention of these a few weeks ago and i was wondering if there is any more input around these tools.....michael --part1_ea.1289e08b.27dd762a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit this may be of interest in looking for a reverb unit and they used the word
affordable in their blurb..... Click here: New from Alesis.....i found this
as i was looking for information on their "air-synth", for some reason, i am
really lusting after this piece, it seems that it would be neat in a "live"
rig, same as the "air-fx", we made mention of these a few weeks ago and i was
wondering if there is any more input around these tools.....michael --part1_ea.1289e08b.27dd762a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 11 20:29:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12004; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 20:28:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 20:28:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AAC262D.DF274C72@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 17:38:06 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT reverb stuff and more..... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7FxDOC.A.R7C.lXCr6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > this may be of interest in looking for a reverb unit and they used the > word > affordable in their blurb..... Click here: New from Alesis.....i found > this > as i was looking for information on their "air-synth", for some > reason, i am > really lusting after this piece, it seems that it would be neat in a > "live" > rig, same as the "air-fx", we made mention of these a few weeks ago > and i was > wondering if there is any more input around these tools.....michael speaking of reverb, has anyone had a chance to check out demeter's new rv1 stereo rackmount spring reverb? the descriptions i've read so far are intriguing (but it wouldn't fall into the "affordable" range you are talking about- nanoverbs and such; though for a QUIET analog, stereo accutronix-based reverb, with a pretty decent amount of flexibility, a msrp of US $699 ain't too bad)...check http://www.demeteramps.com/ or the latest issue of tape op for reviews... btw, he's only made 50 of 'em, so if anyone is really interested they'd better order quick :-) lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 11 20:33:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12129; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 20:32:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 20:32:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AAC2771.1B9E6BD6@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 17:43:30 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT reverb stuff and more..... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com re demeter rv1 real reverb spring reverb unit: looks like there's a few AES show demo models available for $549.00 from demeter's demo sale (i'd jump myself, but can't *spring* for even the sale price right now :-o ...) lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 11 21:25:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13459; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 21:23:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 21:23:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 17:51:45 -0800 From: "Anthony J. Justman" Subject: Re: Vortex noisy? In-reply-to: X-Sender: pantonio@pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010311175008.00a19040@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:46 AM 3/7/01, you wrote: >Hey: > >Mine was noisy as well. That's why I sold mine. > >Regards, Paul same here. same with my JamMan, but it's too useful to get rid of. BTW, I and at least three others I know with JM's all have the input knob generating pops that get into loops. How do I fix that? new pot? can I do it myself with off-the-shelf parts? \/\/\/\/\/\/\ Tony Justman San Francisco pantonio@pacbell.net www.greatgodpan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 11 22:26:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14892; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 22:24:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 22:24:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AAC68E8.30C7203C@home.com> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 22:12:56 -0800 From: Will Brake Organization: Soul Fruit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0407 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex noisy? References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010311175008.00a19040@pacbell.net> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------F2AFFC618B2665257CB45A22" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F2AFFC618B2665257CB45A22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Volume control "pops"? Usually just dirty. DeOxit from Caig is great for pots and jacks. I prefer to use the blue for moving parts and red for contacts. It is possible you have an IC issue, but that symptom is usually similar to a dirty pot. You get static no matter how many times you clean. Caused by DC on the pot. Pops could also be caused by a circuit failure. Bad power, bad coupling cap or bad IC. Try the spray! Most electronic places like Digi-Key or Mouser sell the Caig line. If you do need to replace the pot. You'll need to know the value in ohms and the taper type. Log, reverse log, audio, and linear are the most common taper types. The ohm value will almost certainly be in Kilo ohms. 10K, 50K, 100K, 250K, 500K and 1Meg pots are the most common. Because the voltage level is small, you'll probably be dealing with a 1/4 or 1/2 watt pot. 1 watt and 2 watt pots are much larger and probably won't fit physically. I suspect the pots are PCB mounted as this is the most economical manufacturing process. If you are unable to locate the proper PCB pot, you could wire in a replacement. If you need details on how to do this, please feel free to contact me. Be Well Will Brake http://www.soul-fruit.com > BTW, I and at least three others I know with JM's all have the input knob > generating pops that get into loops. > > How do I fix that? new pot? can I do it myself with off-the-shelf parts? > > \/\/\/\/\/\/\ > Tony Justman > San Francisco > pantonio@pacbell.net > www.greatgodpan.com --------------F2AFFC618B2665257CB45A22 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="wbrake.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Will Brake Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="wbrake.vcf" begin:vcard n:Brake;Will tel;work:248-583-1856 x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http//www.soul-fruit.com org:Soul Fruit adr:;;2900 Rochester Road;Royal Oak;Michigan;48073;USA version:2.1 email;internet:wbrake@home.com title:Owner fn:Will Brake end:vcard --------------F2AFFC618B2665257CB45A22-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 12 01:07:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA18234; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 01:01:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 01:01:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c0aab8$fc6a4060$902e8aa4@ftiprhab64> From: "mathieu" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 06:55:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C0AAC1.5D5D9CC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C0AAC1.5D5D9CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C0AAC1.5D5D9CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C0AAC1.5D5D9CC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 12 01:45:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA18716; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 01:38:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 01:38:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003301c0aabf$a16685a0$43936fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <200103112253.OAA12316@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Reverb Units Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 06:39:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <1-dvTB.A.NkE.T6Gr6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You can't go wrong with even the cheapest Lexicon reverbs. I think you're referring to predelay on larger settings. Some people like it, some don't. I'm not telling you whether I do or not. Buy the best you can afford. I've used the mpx100 and the 500. The 500 has knobs and stuff which is surprisingly useful but I like them both. Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 12 05:42:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA23285; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 05:38:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 05:38:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <15.10f785d6.27de00f2@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 05:37:38 EST Subject: SPLATTERCELL CANCELLATION: TONIC NYC 3/16 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com folks, i've had to cancel my performance at TONIC (nyc) this coming friday; it will be re-scheduled for a more appropriate time, soon. i believe that TONIC will feature one of these folk, in my stead: john zorn, or percy jones, or dj spooky. ye can check TONIC's website for actual facts, though: tonic107.com sorry for any potentially ensuing consternation. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 12 07:14:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA25172; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 07:13:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 07:13:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <010001c0aaee$08e38240$f43b96d0@DMCHOME> From: "Ray O'Graf" To: Cc: References: <000901c0aab8$fc6a4060$902e8aa4@ftiprhab64> Subject: Re: unsubscribe Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 06:14:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is the way we unsubscribe unsubscribe unsubscribe On a cold and frosty morning ta - ta hope the rest can figure it out toooooo ----- Original Message ----- From: mathieu To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 11:55 PM Subject: unsubscribe unsubscribe _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 12 09:07:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27471; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:05:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:05:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ideastudio1@mail.galactica.it Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <15.10f785d6.27de00f2@aol.com> References: <15.10f785d6.27de00f2@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:03:38 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: bruno kleinefeld Subject: SHOPPING IN NEW YORK CITY Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <5c7YlB.A.csG.qdNr6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hello everybody, I'm looking for a help In the next days I'll probably go to NYC. Is there seomeone who can tell me which are the best shops for new &used gear in town? Is there any cool special place to go for us? I know this sounds a bit consumistic, but you must consider that some "esoteric" stuff is very hard to find here in Italy. It took me years to find an expanded Jammy and I could get one only in Frankfurt (second hand - payed about 1000 DM - more or less 500 $ - would you imagine that?)... so if someone has good addresses This would save me a lot of time! Thanks in advance Bruno (In change I can point you a very good italian restaurant in Brooklyn!) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 12 09:11:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27669; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:10:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:10:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <006c01c0aafe$1f2fb810$02e099c6@futures.org> From: "Ray O'Graf" To: References: <007201c0a9a5$032aabc0$b1ab5cd1@-> Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist #207 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 08:09:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Please remove me from your distribution list. Also, please refresh my memory if I ever asked to be part of this distribution. If not - please review your ISP's acceptable use policy. Regards ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Fox" To: Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 2:58 PM Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #207 > [ Best viewed with a fixed spacing font. ] > > EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday > at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in > Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. > > Show #207 March 8, 2001. > > RECAP: > On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Robert Scott Thompson, an > Associate Professor of Music at Georgia State University in Atlanta where he is > also the director of CARA, the Center for Audio Recording Arts. Robert has > releases in several genres on many labels. The feature CD at Midnight was "The > Silent Shore" on his the Mirage label. I also played the music of Kit Watkins > who will perform at the next Gathering. I played Band of Fire as a birthday > present to Mike Metlay. > > Robert Scott Thompson > http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2001/focus01.html#mar > Kit Watkins at the next Gathering http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/events.html > > > PLAYLIST: > > ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) > ======================= ======================== ============================== > 11:04 pm > Mike Metlay Band of Fire Band of Fire (Atomic City) > Robert Rich Hour One Somnium Radio Edits (Hypnos) > Kit Watkins Beauty Drifting Beauty Drifting (mp3.com) > vidnaObmana Fleeting Space Subterranean Collective > (Projekt) > Ozone Player Insane Logic Insane Logic (Oy Visual Power) > Steve Roach Slow Dissolve Early Man (Projekt) > Radio Massacre Int'l. Organ Harvest Part Two Organ Harvest (Centaur) > Spacecraft Summer Town * Summer Town (SpaceForMusic.com) > > 12:00 am > Robert Scott Thompson Dream Song The Silent Shore (Mirage) > Robert Scott Thompson Floe The Silent Shore (Mirage) > Robert Scott Thompson Spirare The Silent Shore (Mirage) > Robert Scott Thompson Still Life The Silent Shore (Mirage) > Robert Scott Thompson Real and Imaginary The Silent Shore (Mirage) > Robert Scott Thompson Erin Outback The Silent Shore (Mirage) > Robert Scott Thompson Shimmer Upon the Mirror The Silent Shore (Mirage) > Pond > Robert Scott Thompson Chanter The Silent Shore (Mirage) > Robert Scott Thompson Edge of Stillness The Silent Shore (Mirage) > Robert Scott Thompson The Fragrance Soul The Silent Shore (Mirage) > Robert Scott Thompson Causeway * The Silent Shore (Mirage) > > 1:00 am > > * = exerpt > VA = Various Artists (compilation) > > NEXT SHOW: > On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Dr. Robert Scott > Thompson. Next week's feature CD at midnight will be "Alchemy" on Robert's own > Aucourant Records label. > > Bill billfox@fast.net > http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html > ============================================================================ > Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at > 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and > Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. > Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org > Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 12 09:17:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27792; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:15:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:15:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008501c0aaff$98558de0$4d624442@austin.rr.com> From: "Jimmy George" To: References: <15.10f785d6.27de00f2@aol.com> Subject: Re: SHOPPING IN NEW YORK CITY Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 08:20:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com as far as cool places to go, visit my dear friend daryl boling at the http://www.theatresource.org . they have a very decent muti media theatre that caters to many of the art. i will be there in may to shoot a film and do some solo looping shows. 21st through the 28th. i will have my looping extravaganza show there in full force! if we are there at similar times perhaps we will meet and chat. check http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com for times and locations i will be performing and staying in the big apple. i will always be online on the road to converse. as for places to shop, i'm not sure. go and they will appear. too many even. proposed question to all you loopers, 'what are some other venues in new york city that would be appropriate to target a looping gig from?' thanks for any info you may have. best to you bruno. jimmy george http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: bruno kleinefeld To: Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 8:03 AM Subject: SHOPPING IN NEW YORK CITY > hello everybody, > > I'm looking for a help > > In the next days I'll probably go to NYC. Is there seomeone who can > tell me which are the best shops for new &used gear in town? Is there > any cool special place to go for us? > I know this sounds a bit consumistic, but you must consider that some > "esoteric" stuff is very hard to find here in Italy. It took me years > to find an expanded Jammy and I could get one only in Frankfurt > (second hand - payed about 1000 DM - more or less 500 $ - would you > imagine that?)... so if someone has good addresses This would save > me a lot of time! > > Thanks in advance > > Bruno > > (In change I can point you a very good italian restaurant in Brooklyn!) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 12 09:21:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27923; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:20:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:20:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 08:19:54 -0600 (CST) From: Heyoka_face_eater To: Loopers list Subject: Dp4 In-Reply-To: <200103101355.IAA29474@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I bought one of these when they came out and now own two of them - never had a problem and both have EXCELLENT signal to noise ratios. It's the only digital processor I own because it sounds so sweet and warm, like fresh buttermilk biscuits in sausage gravy! While Ensoniq was bought out by EMU, I would think it irrelevant in this case because of the folowing two reasons. 1) This unit has been factory dicontinued for years. 2) Nothing carries the Ensoniq moniker any more except the PARIS system and the ailing ASR series. BEsides, Prince wouldn't use crap gear, would he? (nyuck nyuck) _______________________________________________________________________________ And so it is said that the Kin of Bel shall inherit all that is good, and all that is elektro shall be their realm. _______________________________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 12 10:01:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA29041; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:59:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:59:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.165.24.54] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Reverb Units Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:58:06 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Mar 2001 14:58:06.0384 (UTC) FILETIME=[D851EB00:01C0AB04] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ihad a MPX100 and did not like it. I found the reverbs to be very boxy and unmusical. The delays were cool. As were flanges etc. and even the pitch shift (tho not intelligent PS). But overall it did not float my boat. For cheap Lexi stuff try reflex or,even better Alex...which is great. MAx >From: "whiteoakstudios" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: Reverb Units >Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 06:39:24 -0000 > >You can't go wrong with even the cheapest Lexicon reverbs. I think you're >referring to predelay on larger settings. Some people like it, some don't. >I'm not telling you whether I do or not. >Buy the best you can afford. I've used the mpx100 and the 500. The 500 has >knobs and stuff which is surprisingly useful but I like them both. > >Gareth > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 12 10:24:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29484; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:22:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:22:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AACE999.F8D9D1CB@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:22:02 -0500 From: steve Reply-To: studio_t@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Reverb Units References: <200103112253.OAA12316@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <003301c0aabf$a16685a0$43936fd4@y5w2s5> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com check ebay for an ibanez SDR-1000, they can be had very affordably and are a great verb, actually made by sony sounds better than the cheaper lexi units, footswitchable, very programable, very nice verb peace, steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 12 10:44:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29869; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:42:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:42:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20010312104144.00a62eb0@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: robert@tensionheadache.org@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:46:12 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: let a new yorker tell you where to go. In-Reply-To: <200103121407.JAA27557@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_1727356==_.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_1727356==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed you could check out: you can try: rogue music (251 w. 30th st) 30th street guitars (across the street from rogue) east village music (in the e.vill, natch - e. 3rd st.) sam ash (pro-audio) on 48th street is not adverse to selling used gear, sometimes they have something interesting. that should burn up a day or 2... so, where's the scampi? a:c >hello everybody, > >I'm looking for a help > >In the next days I'll probably go to NYC. Is there seomeone who can tell >me which are the best shops for new &used gear in town? Is there any cool >special place to go for us? >I know this sounds a bit consumistic, but you must consider that some >"esoteric" stuff is very hard to find here in Italy. It took me years to >find an expanded Jammy and I could get one only in Frankfurt (second hand >- payed about 1000 DM - more or less 500 $ - would you imagine that?)... >so if someone has good addresses This would save me a lot of time! > >Thanks in advance > >Bruno > >(In change I can point you a very good italian restaurant in Brooklyn!) *************************** - just what the world needs... another frikkin url - --=====================_1727356==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
you could check out:

you can try:

rogue music (251 w. 30th st)
30th street guitars (across the street from rogue)
east village music (in the e.vill, natch - e. 3rd st.)
sam ash (pro-audio) on 48th street is not adverse to selling used gear, sometimes they have something interesting.

that should burn up a day or 2... so, where's the scampi?

a:c


hello everybody,

I'm looking for a help

In the next days I'll probably go to NYC. Is there seomeone who can tell me which are the best shops for new &used gear in town? Is there any cool special place to go for us?
I know this sounds a bit consumistic, but you must consider that some "esoteric" stuff is very hard to find here in Italy. It took me years to find an expanded Jammy and I could get one only in Frankfurt (second hand - payed about 1000 DM - more or less 500 $ -  would you imagine that?)... so if someone has good addresses  This would save me a lot of time!

Thanks in advance

Bruno

(In change I can point you a very good italian restaurant in Brooklyn!)

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 - just what the world needs... another frikkin url -
--=====================_1727356==_.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 12 10:48:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30009; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:47:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:47:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AACEF85.1DBE3364@club-internet.fr> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:47:17 +0100 From: Emmanuel PERILLE X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [fr] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Wellcome CYCLOOPS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8Tt6BD.A.sUH.n9Or6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wellcome to "CYCLOOPS" among DJ loopers !!! http://www.redsound.com/cycloops.htm Now DJRND2 has got its little brother Emmanuel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 12 13:25:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01678; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:23:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:23:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:22:01 -0500 From: Alessandro Ricciarelli Subject: SHOPPING IN NEW YORK CITY Sender: Alessandro Ricciarelli To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: <200103121322_MC2-C887-B769@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA01637 Resent-Message-ID: <3o-YB.A.0Z.GQRr6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ciao, Bruno I think the best shops for music in NYC are: 30iest Street Guitars (they have, naturally, a lot of guitars, but also very many pedals, used and new. They are located on 30iest street between 7th and 8th Avenue. Then there is Rogue music, where I saw a Jamman recently (it was $675.-!). It is very convenient because it right across the street from the first store. Both have a very friendly and funny (esp. Rogue) staff. Whatever you do, stay away from 48th Street. Sam Ash is only good if you know exactly what you want. Any shopping there will depress you and will make you want to stop making music. Buona fortuna, Alessandro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 12 13:27:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01679; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:23:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:23:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:22:09 -0500 Subject: Re: let a new yorker tell you where to go. From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20010312104144.00a62eb0@mail.pdfsystems.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3067248129_31004_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3067248129_31004_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I highly recommend Dr. Sound, 25 Mercer Street near Canal. Cooler, and sometimes some unusual stuff. David Lee Myers pulsewidth.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Ourobouros" CD of new Feedback Music available now on Pulsewidth! In NYC at Downtown Music, Kim's Mondo, and Other Music, and through Forced Exposure, Anomalous, Wayside, Electronic Music Foundation, Recommended, and Staalplaat. on 3/12/01 10:46 AM, anti:clockwise at anticlockwise@tensionheadache.org wrote: you could check out: you can try: rogue music (251 w. 30th st) 30th street guitars (across the street from rogue) east village music (in the e.vill, natch - e. 3rd st.) sam ash (pro-audio) on 48th street is not adverse to selling used gear, sometimes they have something interesting. that should burn up a day or 2... so, where's the scampi? a:c hello everybody, I'm looking for a help In the next days I'll probably go to NYC. Is there seomeone who can tell me which are the best shops for new &used gear in town? Is there any cool special place to go for us? I know this sounds a bit consumistic, but you must consider that some "esoteric" stuff is very hard to find here in Italy. It took me years to find an expanded Jammy and I could get one only in Frankfurt (second hand - payed about 1000 DM - more or less 500 $ - would you imagine that?)... so if someone has good addresses This would save me a lot of time! Thanks in advance Bruno (In change I can point you a very good italian restaurant in Brooklyn!) *************************** - just what the world needs... another frikkin url - --MS_Mac_OE_3067248129_31004_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: let a new yorker tell you where to go. I highly recommend Dr. Sound, 25 Mercer Street near C= anal.  Cooler, and sometimes some unusual stuff.


David Lee Myers
pulsewidth.com
--------------------------------------------------------------------------<= BR> "Ourobouros" CD of new Feedback Music available now on Pulsewidth= !
In NYC at Downtown Music, Kim's Mondo, and Other Music, and through Forced = Exposure, Anomalous, Wayside, Electronic Music Foundation, Recommended, and = Staalplaat.



on 3/12/01 10:46 AM, anti:clockwise at anticlockwise@tensionheadache.org wr= ote:


you could check out:

you can try:

rogue music (251 w. 30th st)
30th street guitars (across the street from rogue)
east village music (in the e.vill, natch - e. 3rd st.)
sam ash (pro-audio) on 48th street is not adverse to selling used gear, som= etimes they have something interesting.

that should burn up a day or 2... so, where's the scampi?

a:c


hello everybody,

I'm looking for a help

In the next days I'll probably go to NYC. Is there seomeone who can tell me= which are the best shops for new &used gear in town? Is there any cool = special place to go for us?
I know this sounds a bit consumistic, but you must consider that some "= ;esoteric" stuff is very hard to find here in Italy. It took me years t= o find an expanded Jammy and I could get one only in Frankfurt (second hand = - payed about 1000 DM - more or less 500 $ -  would you imagine that?).= .. so if someone has good addresses  This would save me a lot of time!<= BR>
Thanks in advance

Bruno

(In change I can point you a very good italian restaurant in Brooklyn!)

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- just what the world needs... another frikkin url <http://www.tensionh= eadache.org/>  -



--MS_Mac_OE_3067248129_31004_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 12 13:53:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02282; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:50:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:50:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200103121322_MC2-C887-B769@compuserve.com> References: <200103121322_MC2-C887-B769@compuserve.com> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:34:08 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: SHOPPING IN NEW YORK CITY Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Manny's is good, but then I know the owners from my Dr. T's days. At 1:22 PM -0500 3/12/01, Alessandro Ricciarelli wrote: >Ciao, Bruno > >I think the best shops for music in NYC are: 30iest Street Guitars (they >have, naturally, a lot of guitars, but also very many pedals, used and new. >They are located on 30iest street between 7th and 8th Avenue. > >Then there is Rogue music, where I saw a Jamman recently (it was $675.-!). >It is very convenient because it right across the street from the first >store. > >Both have a very friendly and funny (esp. Rogue) staff. > >Whatever you do, stay away from 48th Street. Sam Ash is only good if you >know exactly what you want. Any shopping there will depress you and will >make you want to stop making music. > >Buona fortuna, Alessandro -- "Once the search is in progress, something will be found" -- Brian Eno and Peter Schmidt Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 12 14:32:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03453; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:27:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:27:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AAD2335.94599A57@virtulink.com> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:27:49 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: Juxtaposition Ezine X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SHOPPING IN NEW YORK CITY References: <200103121322_MC2-C887-B769@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote: > Manny's is good, but then I know the owners from my Dr. T's days. They sold out to Sam Ash a few years ago. -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * xouoxno@virtulink.com * * J u x t a p o s i t i o n E z i n e * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor * * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 12 14:35:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03601; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:31:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:31:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <8309675A8A89D411871B00508BA8E32B56559E@srnycexchg5> From: "Woltering, Joe" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Boomerang question Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:26:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <0pHLND.A.G4.qPSr6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'm having a dilemma in determining how many actual different models of the Boomerang 4MB (2min./4min.) Phrase Sampler are out there. Two Internet music retail sites show two completely different versions of the 'Rang. MusiciansFriend.com advertise the "Boomerang 4MB Phrase Sampler PLUS". I, personally have never seen this model before, (both by the picture they show and the name they refer to it by.) MarsMusic.com lists the "Boomerang Phrase Sampler w/ real-time control". Judging by their picture, this is the 'Rang that I have seen advertised elsewhere and is the same one shown on Boomerang's site. So what's the deal? I spoke to someone at Musicians Friend and they say that "This (the PLUS model) is the only model being sold now. So when I went to order from MarsMusic (their's is fifty dollars cheaper) I asked the guy there if he knew of this seemingly newer model. After confusing him further by showing him what I saw at MusiciansFriend.com he confessed that he really didn't know and assumed that the one they were selling was an older model. I have tried asking Boomerang via email (mnelson@dmans.com) about this but so far I haven't got a response. You would think that they would want to clear this up for me considering I'm ready to drop the ~$500 for the thing, but they haven't so that's why I'm asking you. If you could clear this matter up for me, I would be grateful. If it is the case that there is a newer model out there that looks and acts differently (I've heard of popping and cracking problems with earlier models???), then someone should probably suggest to Boomerang that they update their site to avoid further confusion in the industry. If this is not the case, then what the hell is MusiciansFriend thinking? Thanks. --a confused 'Rang buyer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 12 14:52:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03958; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:49:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:49:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3AAD2335.94599A57@virtulink.com> References: <200103121322_MC2-C887-B769@compuserve.com> <3AAD2335.94599A57@virtulink.com> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:34:28 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: SHOPPING IN NEW YORK CITY Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:27 PM -0500 3/12/01, David Beardsley wrote: >Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote: > >> Manny's is good, but then I know the owners from my Dr. T's days. > >They sold out to Sam Ash a few years ago. > Didn't know that, the same family is running the place. They always give me good deals, which is, of course, no reason for you to shop there. I recall that at least in the synth room they will give you a headset and let you play for as long as it takes. > >-- >* D a v i d B e a r d s l e y >* xouoxno@virtulink.com >* >* J u x t a p o s i t i o n E z i n e >* M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor >* >* http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm -- "Once the search is in progress, something will be found" -- Brian Eno and Peter Schmidt Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 12 15:10:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04729; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:06:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:06:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AAD27F0.5718F53C@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:48:01 -0500 From: "roguemus@ix.netcom.com" Organization: Rogue Music X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boomerang question References: <8309675A8A89D411871B00508BA8E32B56559E@srnycexchg5> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Apparently-From: Beaniesandmusic@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Boomerang is only producing one model at the moment, it is called the Boomerang + and is 4 meg. We sell them for $475. What may confuse the musiciansfriend people is that the box is not marked with a plus, only the unit itself is. So if they don't have one out of the box, they wouldn't know. Dick Michaels Rogue Music NYC http://www.roguemusic.com "Woltering, Joe" wrote: > Hi, > > I'm having a dilemma in determining how many actual different models > of the Boomerang 4MB (2min./4min.) Phrase Sampler are out there. Two > Internet music retail sites show two completely different versions of the > 'Rang. MusiciansFriend.com advertise the "Boomerang 4MB Phrase Sampler > PLUS". I, personally have never seen this model before, (both by the picture > they show and the name they refer to it by.) MarsMusic.com lists the > "Boomerang Phrase Sampler w/ real-time control". Judging by their picture, > this is the 'Rang that I have seen advertised elsewhere and is the same one > shown on Boomerang's site. > > So what's the deal? I spoke to someone at Musicians Friend and they say that > "This (the PLUS model) is the only model being sold now. So when I went to > order from MarsMusic (their's is fifty dollars cheaper) I asked the guy > there if he knew of this seemingly newer model. After confusing him further > by showing him what I saw at MusiciansFriend.com he confessed that he really > didn't know and assumed that the one they were selling was an older model. > > I have tried asking Boomerang via email (mnelson@dmans.com) about this but > so far I haven't got a response. You would think that they would want to > clear this up for me considering I'm ready to drop the ~$500 for the thing, > but they haven't so that's why I'm asking you. If you could clear this > matter up for me, I would be grateful. If it is the case that there is a > newer model out there that looks and acts differently (I've heard of popping > and cracking problems with earlier models???), then someone should probably > suggest to Boomerang that they update their site to avoid further confusion > in the industry. If this is not the case, then what the hell is > MusiciansFriend thinking? > > Thanks. > > --a confused 'Rang buyer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 12 15:23:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05046; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:18:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:18:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <5b.1312ce82.27de887d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:15:57 EST Subject: Re: Boomerang question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_5b.1312ce82.27de887d_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_5b.1312ce82.27de887d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/12/01 2:31:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, JWoltering@refco.com writes: > If this is not the case, then what the hell is > MusiciansFriend thinking? > joe.....you sound like you're joan-zen for a rang fix.....you will be a lot calmer after you get one.....:).....michael --part1_5b.1312ce82.27de887d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/12/01 2:31:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
JWoltering@refco.com writes:


If this is not the case, then what the hell is
MusiciansFriend thinking?


joe.....you sound like you're joan-zen for a rang fix.....you will be a lot
calmer after you get one.....:).....michael --part1_5b.1312ce82.27de887d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 12 15:23:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05278; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:21:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:21:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <8309675A8A89D411871B00508BA8E32B5655A0@srnycexchg5> From: "Woltering, Joe" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Boomerang question Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:18:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0AB31.A41F0F20" Resent-Message-ID: <6BsXtB.A.PSB.O-Sr6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0AB31.A41F0F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" LOL. You're right, but I think it's worthwhile to the industry that everyone be on the same page when it comes to advertising certain products. Don't you agree? -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 3:16 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boomerang question In a message dated 3/12/01 2:31:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, JWoltering@refco.com writes: If this is not the case, then what the hell is MusiciansFriend thinking? joe.....you sound like you're joan-zen for a rang fix.....you will be a lot calmer after you get one.....:).....michael ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0AB31.A41F0F20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
LOL. You're right, but I think it's worthwhile to the industry that everyone be on the same page when it comes to advertising certain products. Don't you agree?
-----Original Message-----
From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 3:16 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Boomerang question

In a message dated 3/12/01 2:31:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
JWoltering@refco.com writes:


If this is not the case, then what the hell is
MusiciansFriend thinking?


joe.....you sound like you're joan-zen for a rang fix.....you will be a lot
calmer after you get one.....:).....michael
------_=_NextPart_001_01C0AB31.A41F0F20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 12 15:29:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05607; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:26:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:26:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sent: 12 Mar 2001 20:25:47 GMT Reply-To: From: "Paul A. Baugher" To: Subject: New here... Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:30:58 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3AAD27F0.5718F53C@ix.netcom.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Disposition-Notification-To: "Paul A. Baugher" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi! Just wanted to introduce myself to the mailing list... I'm the director of a new media company here in Michigan and pretty new to the looping world.. although I've made several songs using audio programs such as Fruity Loops, Sound Forge/Vegas/Cool edit Pro. I'm just now getting into MIDI equipment (mostly because until recently it has been cost prohibitive :)... I was wondering if any of you had any ideas/suggestions on where a neophyte like myself could start(Hopefully this list is one of them). My music style/tastes are hip hop/techno/house, anything with loop based rhythm and drums... I also consider jazz/blues musicians to be the gods of the music industry... and great for sampling :) So please send along your ideas! -pb From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 12 16:05:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06804; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:03:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:03:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nathan_Brenholdt@Playstation.sony.com Subject: andy soto? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:01:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on SCEA919ML01/SCEA(Release 5.0.6a |January 17, 2001) at 03/12/2001 01:01:55 PM, Itemize by SMTP Server on SCEA919ML02/SCEA(Release 5.0.6a |January 17, 2001) at 03/12/2001 01:02:49 PM, Serialize by Router on SCEA919ML02/SCEA(Release 5.0.6a |January 17, 2001) at 03/12/2001 01:02:50 PM, Serialize complete at 03/12/2001 01:02:50 PM Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com has anybody here had recent contact with andy soto (smaug@servidor.unam.mx)? i bought a yamaha CS-30 from him back in the middle of october 2000. he sent a few emails saying he'd been busy, and that he'd have the synth out to me in "no time". well, it's turning out to be just that, because i still haven't received it, and his last email to me was in december. i've tried emailing him at least 3 times since, and have received no response. it looked like he's been posting to this group in the last month or so. any help would be much appreciated. thanks, nathan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 12 16:12:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07029; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:11:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:11:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <83.80cad8f.27de9516@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:09:42 EST Subject: Re: Boomerang question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_83.80cad8f.27de9516_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_83.80cad8f.27de9516_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/12/01 3:21:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, JWoltering@refco.com writes: > Don't you agree? yepper!.....joe, mike nelson of "boomerang music" posted to us a few weeks ago that he was going to be tied up for a bit with some personal issues, this could be the reason for his not getting back to you in a timely fashion.....also, historically, the rang has had a new up-grade which has been in the works for a good while, this just came out several months (i forget exactly) ago.....mike and his cohorts have been doing upgrades on old rangs (they did mine) and getting ready to start producing the new up-graded rang, i guess the "rang +" or whatever.....bottomline, the rang is a great tool, the rang + is a better tool and mike and the boys at boomerang music are nice people.....buy every looper you can!.....:).....michael --part1_83.80cad8f.27de9516_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/12/01 3:21:35 PM Eastern Standard Time,
JWoltering@refco.com writes:


Don't you agree?
yepper!.....joe, mike nelson of "boomerang music" posted to us a few weeks
ago that he was going to be tied up for a bit with some personal issues, this
could be the reason for his not getting back to you in a timely
fashion.....also, historically, the rang has had a new up-grade which has
been in the works for a good while, this just came out several months (i
forget exactly) ago.....mike and his cohorts have been doing upgrades on old
rangs (they did mine) and getting ready to start producing the new up-graded
rang, i guess the "rang +" or whatever.....bottomline, the rang is a great
tool, the rang + is a better tool and mike and the boys at boomerang music
are nice people.....buy every looper you can!.....:).....michael --part1_83.80cad8f.27de9516_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 12 16:27:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07449; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:23:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:23:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <8309675A8A89D411871B00508BA8E32B5655A5@srnycexchg5> From: "Woltering, Joe" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Boomerang question Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:21:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0AB3A.699AF630" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0AB3A.699AF630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks to all who contributed to this post. I've been enlightened! :>) -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 4:10 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boomerang question In a message dated 3/12/01 3:21:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, JWoltering@refco.com writes: Don't you agree? yepper!.....joe, mike nelson of "boomerang music" posted to us a few weeks ago that he was going to be tied up for a bit with some personal issues, this could be the reason for his not getting back to you in a timely fashion.....also, historically, the rang has had a new up-grade which has been in the works for a good while, this just came out several months (i forget exactly) ago.....mike and his cohorts have been doing upgrades on old rangs (they did mine) and getting ready to start producing the new up-graded rang, i guess the "rang +" or whatever.....bottomline, the rang is a great tool, the rang + is a better tool and mike and the boys at boomerang music are nice people.....buy every looper you can!.....:).....michael ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0AB3A.699AF630 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Thanks to all who contributed to this post. I've been enlightened! :>)
-----Original Message-----
From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 4:10 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Boomerang question

In a message dated 3/12/01 3:21:35 PM Eastern Standard Time,
JWoltering@refco.com writes:


Don't you agree?


yepper!.....joe, mike nelson of "boomerang music" posted to us a few weeks
ago that he was going to be tied up for a bit with some personal issues, this
could be the reason for his not getting back to you in a timely
fashion.....also, historically, the rang has had a new up-grade which has
been in the works for a good while, this just came out several months (i
forget exactly) ago.....mike and his cohorts have been doing upgrades on old
rangs (they did mine) and getting ready to start producing the new up-graded
rang, i guess the "rang +" or whatever.....bottomline, the rang is a great
tool, the rang + is a better tool and mike and the boys at boomerang music
are nice people.....buy every looper you can!.....:).....michael
------_=_NextPart_001_01C0AB3A.699AF630-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 12 17:54:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09410; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:52:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:52:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AAD5301.9F8DF3AE@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:51:38 -0800 X-Sybari-Trust: 2b64b2b4 050014e1 00000000 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: another mp3 site with lots of loop content References: <8309675A8A89D411871B00508BA8E32B5655A0@srnycexchg5> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, Just a little ditty I wipped up: http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/134/mark_sottliaro.html Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 12 23:13:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA17097; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 23:10:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 23:10:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c0ab73$d96d94c0$a5980fce@com> From: "Stephen Bradley and Kristen Chamberlin" To: Subject: Loop Recording and Loading Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 23:12:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0AB49.EFAC9080" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <0AjQ9D.A.6KE.x1Zr6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0AB49.EFAC9080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know I'm opening a can of worms here, and of course there will be the = obligitory repeater enthusiasm, but let's say I don't have a repeater, = and I do have an EDP, and I am looking to find a reliable way to save = loops for future loading back into the EDP........what can people = recommend? =20 I've thought about possibly getting a mini-disc recorder, and / or I = have a laptop with 32mg of RAM memory and a line level input (but the = twinky windows sound recorder doesn't even register incoming sound from = the line level input). Any shareware or inexpensive music programs that = would allow me to save in Mp3 format from a line level input, and then = dump back into the EDP later, as one option? Any suggestions are welcome. BTW, thanks for the reverb input, that was = very helpful. stephen b. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0AB49.EFAC9080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I know I'm opening a can of worms here, = and of=20 course there will be the obligitory repeater enthusiasm, but let's say I = don't=20 have a repeater, and I do have an EDP, and I am looking to find a = reliable=20 way to save loops for future loading back into the EDP........what can = people=20 recommend? 
 
I've thought about possibly getting a = mini-disc=20 recorder, and / or I have a laptop with 32mg of RAM memory and a line = level=20 input (but the twinky windows sound recorder doesn't even register = incoming=20 sound from the line level input).  Any shareware or inexpensive = music=20 programs that would allow me to save in Mp3 format from a line level = input, and=20 then dump back into the EDP later, as one option?
 
Any suggestions are welcome.  BTW, = thanks for=20 the reverb input, that was very helpful.
 
stephen b.
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0AB49.EFAC9080-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 13 00:39:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA18641; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 00:36:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 00:36:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c0ab7f$85d503a0$bf2078d8@prelayomb> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <000a01c0ab73$d96d94c0$a5980fce@com> Subject: Re: Loop Recording and Loading Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:36:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C0AB3C.77118C00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C0AB3C.77118C00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sell your EDP and buy a Repeater. I think I'm gonna do it. Wait a second! Didn't I post three days ago never to sell anything? I'm confused now . . . Gary ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C0AB3C.77118C00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sell your EDP and buy a Repeater.
I think I'm gonna do it.
Wait a second!  Didn't I post three days ago = never to=20 sell anything?
I'm confused now . . .
Gary
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C0AB3C.77118C00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 13 02:21:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA20822; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 02:19:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 02:19:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop Recording and Loading Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 02:20:12 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <000a01c0ab73$d96d94c0$a5980fce@com> In-Reply-To: <000a01c0ab73$d96d94c0$a5980fce@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01031302201200.02042@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <6w30dD.A.GFF.kncr6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Stephen Bradley and Kristen Chamberlin wrote: > I do have an EDP, and I am looking to find a reliable way to save loops for > future loading back into the EDP........what can people recommend? > > I've thought about possibly getting a mini-disc recorder... I don't have an EDP (grumblegrumble) so I know nothing about that side of the issue, but I can say this: I LOVE my minidisc deck. Basically infinite re-recordability, complete editability, titling, durability, portability, and any other -abilities I'm forgetting. Sometimes I feel like my MD recorder is only a 1000 lines of code and a footswitch away from being a looper itself. Some people may complain that since audio is stored on the MD in a compressed format there are issues with sound degradation. I know that my ears have only very rarely heard what I'd call compression loss; rarely as in 4 or 5 times in three years. Of course, everyone's ears are different. Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 13 02:27:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA20970; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 02:26:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 02:26:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00af01c0ab8e$edce4d40$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <000a01c0ab73$d96d94c0$a5980fce@com> <01031302201200.02042@localhost.localdomain> Subject: Re: Loop Recording and Loading Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 07:26:27 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sound degradation? Could someone expand upon this? I had thought the MD was a digital recording process. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! "Todd Pafford" put forth: > Some people may complain that since audio is stored on the MD in a compressed > format there are issues with sound degradation. I know that my ears have > only very rarely heard what I'd call compression loss; rarely as in 4 or 5 > times in three years. Of course, everyone's ears are different. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 13 02:52:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA21311; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 02:51:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 02:51:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AADD134.3F88C7D9@altruistmusic.com> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 23:50:12 -0800 From: Andre Lafosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop Recording and Loading References: <000a01c0ab73$d96d94c0$a5980fce@com> <01031302201200.02042@localhost.localdomain> <00af01c0ab8e$edce4d40$0201a8c0@stephen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Stephen P. Goodman" wrote: > > Sound degradation? Could someone expand upon this? I had thought the MD > was a digital recording process. MiniDisc uses data compression (not unlike the MP3 format, or the Roland VS series recorders) to squeeze more sound into its memory. So when you record onto MD, you're NOT recording pure, uncompressed 44.1 kHz/16-bit CD quality audio. Some data (i.e. sound quality) is getting filtered out in the process. Ahyess, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 13 04:23:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA22991; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 04:22:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 04:22:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <6e.8874729.27df409f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 04:21:35 EST Subject: Re: Reverb Units To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can't go wrong with a Lexicon, MPX100 the cheapest. or an Alex (Reflex is the same but MIDI and more tweakable). If you're really pushed for cash and have a MIDI footswitch check out the Behringer Virtuallizer( but do give it a listen first, I'm recommending by cost/reputation/features and haven't actually heard it) Second hand bargain might be the Zoom 1202, which has a couple of passable verbs ( but does degrade the dry signal slightly if you can't use an FX sidechain). andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 13 04:23:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA22994; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 04:22:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 04:22:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <49.8a1c9aa.27df40a1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 04:21:37 EST Subject: Vortex Help To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone have a circuit diagram (or service sheet) for the Vortex, so I can put it on the website. I have this guy emailing me with a request for it, he wants to modify his Vortex (& JamMan) Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database ....and you guys who have noise problems with the Vortex ......you're all guitarists????? huh From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 13 04:24:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA22992; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 04:22:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 04:22:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <8e.125a4429.27df40a1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 04:21:37 EST Subject: UK echoplex To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id EAA22921 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anyone else in UK waiting on a echoplex? any news? have they got CE certification yet? what about retail, I've seen Ģ499 quoted on a review. andy butler waiting From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 13 07:09:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA25670; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 07:07:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 07:07:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: OT: Akai ADAM Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 13:06:53 +0100 Message-ID: <002101c0abb6$1818cd10$0301a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <8e.125a4429.27df40a1@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, can anyone tell me whether the AKAI ADAM is any good? I've seen one offered for ~$200, and perhaps would like to get it for live multitrack recording. Off-list-replies, please - sorry for the OT mail. Regards, Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 13 11:30:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31197; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 11:27:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 11:27:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010801c0abd9$05a842a0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <000a01c0ab73$d96d94c0$a5980fce@com> Subject: Re: Loop Recording and Loading Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 11:16:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0105_01C0ABAF.1C580190" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <23X--D.A.1mH.Fokr6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0105_01C0ABAF.1C580190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Stephen, Depends on what you want to do. =20 I've used my miniDisc recorder as an "audio camera" to save what I'm = doing. The idea here was to remind me of a "work in progress" although = I have successfully "restored" a loop from the miniDisc (i.e., played = the loop back into the EDP). I really love my miniDisc recorder for = this kind of thing. If you have more equipment, you can make this process quite automated. = The EDP can be set-up to generate a MIDI note-on event at the end of = each cycle. Your equipment can watch for this and capture the current = loop (by recording the EDP audio out). You can also do the reverse and = automatically transfer the captured loop back to the EDP under MIDI = control. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com ------=_NextPart_000_0105_01C0ABAF.1C580190 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Stephen,
 
Depends on what you want to do. 
 
I've used my miniDisc recorder as an = "audio camera"=20 to save what I'm doing.  The idea here was to remind me of a "work = in=20 progress" although I have successfully "restored" a loop from the = miniDisc=20 (i.e., played the loop back into the EDP).  I really love my = miniDisc=20 recorder for this kind of thing.
 
If you have more equipment, you can = make this=20 process quite automated.  The EDP can be set-up to generate a MIDI = note-on=20 event at the end of each cycle.  Your equipment can watch for this = and=20 capture the current loop (by recording the EDP audio out).  You can = also do=20 the reverse and automatically transfer the captured loop back to the EDP = under=20 MIDI control.
 
Dennis Leas
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dennis@mdbs.com
------=_NextPart_000_0105_01C0ABAF.1C580190-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 13 11:36:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31423; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 11:35:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 11:35:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Todd Quincy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Loop Recording and Loading Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 11:33:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0ABDB.446940F0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0ABDB.446940F0 Content-Type: text/plain The EDP can be set-up to generate a MIDI note-on event at the end of each cycle. Your equipment can watch for this and capture the current loop (by recording the EDP audio out). You can also do the reverse and automatically transfer the captured loop back to the EDP under MIDI control. Dennis, what do you use to do this. Would a sampler such as a Roland MS1 (with flash media!!) work? tq ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0ABDB.446940F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Loop Recording and Loading

    =A0
    The EDP can be set-up to generate a MIDI note-on event at = the end of each cycle.=A0 Your equipment can watch for this and capture = the current loop (by recording the EDP audio out).=A0 You can also do = the reverse and automatically transfer the captured loop back to the = EDP under MIDI control.

    Dennis, what do you use to do this. Would a = sampler such as a Roland MS1=A0(with flash media!!) = work?

    tq

------_=_NextPart_001_01C0ABDB.446940F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 13 12:49:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00697; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 12:45:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 12:45:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:43:23 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Loop Recording and Loading Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA00654 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It uses a compression algorythm which is a "lossy" process... that means it removes small bits of data... leaving the mini-disc sound quality at slightly lower than cd (but miles beyond cassette tape). I've never noticed it myself... It smokes! -Miko >>> "Stephen P. Goodman" 03/12/01 11:26PM >>> Sound degradation? Could someone expand upon this? I had thought the MD was a digital recording process. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! "Todd Pafford" put forth: > Some people may complain that since audio is stored on the MD in a compressed > format there are issues with sound degradation. I know that my ears have > only very rarely heard what I'd call compression loss; rarely as in 4 or 5 > times in three years. Of course, everyone's ears are different. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 13 13:07:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01429; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 13:03:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 13:03:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c0abe7$91d93460$f82078d8@prelayomb> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: Subject: Re: Loop Recording and Loading Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 10:01:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My understanding of the Sound degradation situation with MD is that it only becomes a problem when multiple generations are created. That is, if you were to save the EDP to the MD back and forth a few times. But since I'm being serious here, how about Cool Edit or Sound Forge in a shareware capacity? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 13 13:32:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02190; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 13:21:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 13:21:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013601c0abe9$18903ed0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Loop Recording and Loading Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 13:11:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0133_01C0ABBF.2F73DF00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0133_01C0ABBF.2F73DF00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Loop Recording and LoadingHi Todd, I use my trusty Kyma. I don't know the Roland MS1 but you might = investigate it. The equipment needs to be able to send/receive MIDI = note on/off messages and record/playback audio. Sounds like a sampler = might do it. I'm going to be away from my computer for a few days but I'd be happy to = answer more questions when I get back. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Todd Quincy=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 11:33 AM Subject: RE: Loop Recording and Loading =20 The EDP can be set-up to generate a MIDI note-on event at the end of = each cycle. Your equipment can watch for this and capture the current = loop (by recording the EDP audio out). You can also do the reverse and = automatically transfer the captured loop back to the EDP under MIDI = control. Dennis, what do you use to do this. Would a sampler such as a Roland = MS1 (with flash media!!) work?=20 tq=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0133_01C0ABBF.2F73DF00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Loop Recording and Loading
Hi Todd,
 
I use my trusty Kyma.  I don't = know the Roland=20 MS1 but you might investigate it.  The equipment needs to be able = to=20 send/receive MIDI note on/off messages and record/playback audio.  = Sounds=20 like a sampler might do it.
 
I'm going to be away from my computer = for a few=20 days but I'd be happy to answer more questions when I get = back.
 
Dennis = Leas
-------------------
dennis@mdbs.com
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Todd = Quincy=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 = 11:33=20 AM
Subject: RE: Loop Recording and = Loading


    The EDP can be = set-up to generate=20 a MIDI note-on event at the end of each cycle.  Your equipment = can=20 watch for this and capture the current loop (by recording the EDP = audio=20 out).  You can also do the reverse and automatically transfer = the=20 captured loop back to the EDP under MIDI control.

    Dennis, what do you use to do this. Would a = sampler=20 such as a Roland MS1 (with=20 flash media!!) work?

    tq =

------=_NextPart_000_0133_01C0ABBF.2F73DF00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 13 14:09:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02985; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 13:58:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 13:58:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007a01c0abef$ab2165c0$d22cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <01031302201200.02042@localhost.localdomain> Subject: Re: Loop Recording and Loading Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 18:58:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <_EWqL.A.Su.-1mr6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Sometimes I feel like my MD recorder is > only a 1000 lines of code and a footswitch away from being a looper itself. Ah, so I'm not the only person who has thought this - a footswitch, a slightly faster buffer and you're there - with the new compression format that's just been released, you could have up to about 10 hours of mono loop time!!!!!!!!!!!! on a disc less than half the size of a floppy.... anyone up for designing it? We could have a three week long launch gig to demonstrate the possibilities... Steve web-site - www.steve-lawson.co.uk e-mail - steve@steve-lawson.co.uk mailing list - steve-lawson-subscribe@listbot.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 13 14:24:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04027; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 14:20:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 14:20:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop Recording and Loading Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 19:19:11 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Mar 2001 19:19:12.0191 (UTC) FILETIME=[7C481CF0:01C0ABF2] Resent-Message-ID: <4jj-9D.A.k-.PLnr6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The story I heard on the minidisk is that Sony decided they wanted to use the optical minidisk standard that was already developed for some other reason and apply it to audio. However, at CD quality digital data, it would be 2 minutes short of a full length audio CD. So they employed a minimally lossy scheme to bring the recorded time to the same length as a CD. In many people's opinion, Sony also did this because they forsaw the minidisk being the next standard medium. The lossy format would keep people from getting high quality multi-generational copies of copyrighted music. I've found that it takes a few copies with losses each time to actually hear the compression. Certainly its better than every mp3 I've ever heard. bye- jon >From: "Mike Biffle" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: , >Subject: Re: Loop Recording and Loading >Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:43:23 -0800 > >It uses a compression algorythm which is a "lossy" process... that means it >removes small bits of data... leaving the mini-disc sound quality at >slightly lower than cd (but miles beyond cassette tape). I've never noticed >it myself... It smokes! > >-Miko > > >>> "Stephen P. Goodman" 03/12/01 11:26PM >>> >Sound degradation? Could someone expand upon this? I had thought the MD >was a digital recording process. > >Stephen Goodman >http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons & Illustrations >http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! >http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! > >"Todd Pafford" put forth: > > Some people may complain that since audio is stored on the MD in a >compressed > > format there are issues with sound degradation. I know that my ears >have > > only very rarely heard what I'd call compression loss; rarely as in 4 or >5 > > times in three years. Of course, everyone's ears are different. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 13 15:04:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05355; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:03:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:03:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 12:05:24 -0800 Subject: Re: Loop Recording and Loading Message-ID: <20010313.120525.202.1.tony-moore@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 11-13 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Tony Moore Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com not quite loop related, but an interesting thread. i've owned a multitrack md and still us a portable md recorder and have an md deck to edit and such. to elaborate on the 'lossiness', i seem to remember reading that the compression algorithm isn't exactly a lower 'quality' (as in lower bits, frequency response, etc), but that it actually removes certain frequencies that the designers didn't think were necessary. i think the degradation in quality you're hearing from multiple regenerations is more likely from the a/d and d/a converters than from the algorithm itself. i've noticed this effect on nearly every recorder i've used (adat, analog, etc). i'd bet you'd hear a similar effect even with a hd recorder if you ran it throught its converters several times. anyway, i agree, i love the md medium! tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 13 15:26:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05878; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:24:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:24:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop Recording and Loading Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 20:23:35 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Mar 2001 20:23:36.0091 (UTC) FILETIME=[7B5876B0:01C0ABFB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK Loopers, check out this use of a minidisk player for square dance callers: http://www.minidisc.org/unlimited_patter.html bye- jon _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 13 16:07:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07156; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:04:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:04:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c0ac01$0763ce20$225c8118@se.mediaone.net> Reply-To: "HL" From: "HL" To: Subject: Deltalab DL-4 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:03:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0ABD7.1E53CA60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <3gBEPC.A.jvB.Stor6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0ABD7.1E53CA60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Trying to find schematics for the Deltalab DL-4. Anyone with = information contact Howie at hlucero@mediaone.net Thanks! ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0ABD7.1E53CA60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Trying to find schematics for the = Deltalab=20 DL-4.  Anyone with information contact Howie at hlucero@mediaone.net Thanks= !
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0ABD7.1E53CA60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 13 16:10:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07241; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:07:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:07:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010313150206.036a3320@mail.classicnet.net> X-Sender: kevinlane@mail.classicnet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:05:15 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Kevin L. Breshears" Subject: Oberheim footswitch In-Reply-To: <200103070614.BAA27763@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <74RmhB.A.0wB.yvor6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Any one know of where I can buy one of these used? Gibson's trace Elliot division wants 90 lbs( I think that's about $140 USD) OWW!!!!!!! OR any suggestions on what foot switches to buy and make the mods to?? Thanks, Kevinlane From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 13 16:17:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07501; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:15:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:15:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010313211520.19186.qmail@web204.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 13:15:20 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Subject: MiniDisk & EQ - was Re: Loop Recording and Loading To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've looked at MDs, but have wondered how the lossy compression & EQ would get along. My understanding is that Sony's algorithm removes 'unheard' frequencies, these frequencies being unheard due to a psychoacoustic phenomenon called masking (http://www.minidisc.org/MaskingPaper.html) So if these frequencies are not present on the MD after recording, wouldn't the effectiveness of subsequent EQ (say, on a mixer) be hampered by the lack of these frequencies? Stephen --- Mike Biffle wrote: > It uses a compression algorythm which is a "lossy" > process... that means it removes small bits of > data... leaving the mini-disc sound quality at > slightly lower than cd (but miles beyond cassette > tape). I've never noticed it myself... It smokes! ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 13 17:08:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08980; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:04:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:04:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 14:06:53 -0800 Subject: Re: MiniDisk & EQ - was Re: Loop Recording and Loading Message-ID: <20010313.140654.202.2.tony-moore@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 7-10,12-43 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Tony Moore Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com interesting point. tho' i wouldn't think so as eq (on a mixer) only either boosts or cuts a selection of frequencies that's already present in the source signal. isn't that right? iow, an eq can't generate frequencies by itself, it can only modify frequencies already there. i almost always run my md recordings thru an eq (along with compression, etc) when editing. btw, the majority of these recordings are live recordings made with a little sony portable md recorder and a cheap stereo condensor mic. tony On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 13:15:20 -0800 (PST) Stephen writes: > I've looked at MDs, but have wondered how the lossy > compression & EQ would get along. My understanding is > that Sony's algorithm removes 'unheard' frequencies, > these frequencies being unheard due to a > psychoacoustic phenomenon called masking > (http://www.minidisc.org/MaskingPaper.html) > > So if these frequencies are not present on the MD > after recording, wouldn't the effectiveness of > subsequent EQ (say, on a mixer) be hampered by the > lack of these frequencies? > > Stephen > > > --- Mike Biffle wrote: > > It uses a compression algorythm which is a "lossy" > > process... that means it removes small bits of > > data... leaving the mini-disc sound quality at > > slightly lower than cd (but miles beyond cassette > > tape). I've never noticed it myself... It smokes! > > > ===== > Stephen > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 13 17:50:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09772; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:45:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:45:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <68.ccfdc57.27dffca0@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:43:44 EST Subject: Re: let a new yorker tell you where to go. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com dmgraph@earthlink.net writes: >I highly recommend Dr. Sound, 25 Mercer Street near Canal. Cooler, and >sometimes some unusual stuff. agreed. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 13 19:12:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12389; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 19:09:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 19:09:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AAEB701.F36BB40E@virtulink.com> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 19:10:41 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SHOPPING IN NEW YORK CITY References: <200103121322_MC2-C887-B769@compuserve.com> <3AAD2335.94599A57@virtulink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" wrote: > > At 2:27 PM -0500 3/12/01, David Beardsley wrote: > >Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote: > > > >> Manny's is good, but then I know the owners from my Dr. T's days. > > > >They sold out to Sam Ash a few years ago. > > > > Didn't know that, the same family is running the place. They still work there. but don't own the place anymore. Sam Ash bought them out in the Spring/Summer of '99. It was reported in the New York Times. > They always > give me good deals, which is, of course, no reason for you to shop > there. I bought my last synth (Korg ms200r) from Sam Ash in NJ. I get all my guitar work done at 30th Street Guitars by Matt. When Manny's was privately owned I bought two guitars there. -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 13 19:13:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12635; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 19:12:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 19:12:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:11:31 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Subject: MiniDisk & EQ - was Re: Loop Recording and Loading Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id TAA12547 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've read a bit about non-audible frequencies and their contribution to audible frequencies through inter-modulation... It's interesting to ponder the ramifications of this stuff and I'm sure engineers (audio and otherwise) can debate endlessly on the subject. I can state without hesitation that in fairly nice studio type environments, my mini-disc player has yet to offend my ears. I just don't HEAR the difference... although I can understand the various concerns about that difference. It's just not a problem for me... (And I'm glad because it's tiny, affordable, random access, editable... it's amazing... there's nothing else like it out there. I'll switch when there's portable cd-rw recorders costing ~$200 bucks... (or ultra-reliable-super-powerful-but-cheap laptops available). Til then... It's mini-disc all the way baby! -Miko >>> dakshah@yahoo.com 03/13/01 01:15PM >>> I've looked at MDs, but have wondered how the lossy compression & EQ would get along. My understanding is that Sony's algorithm removes 'unheard' frequencies, these frequencies being unheard due to a psychoacoustic phenomenon called masking (http://www.minidisc.org/MaskingPaper.html) So if these frequencies are not present on the MD after recording, wouldn't the effectiveness of subsequent EQ (say, on a mixer) be hampered by the lack of these frequencies? Stephen --- Mike Biffle wrote: > It uses a compression algorythm which is a "lossy" > process... that means it removes small bits of > data... leaving the mini-disc sound quality at > slightly lower than cd (but miles beyond cassette > tape). I've never noticed it myself... It smokes! ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 13 20:37:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14748; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 20:31:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 20:31:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000501c0ac26$437eebe0$502078d8@prelayomb> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010313150206.036a3320@mail.classicnet.net> Subject: Repeater MIDI Limitations Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:29:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <2hIFdC.A.JmD.xmsr6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Aloha, Gear lust being ubiquitous, in spring a young man's fancy turns to thoughts of the latest hardware. And so I finally RTFM (Repeater Beta), and discovered, on page 40, that the MIDI commands are not negotiable. Can this be correct? And not only that, but I can't do anything with note on info (the Ztar, y'know). Man oh man, I can't sell my EDP! It really does what nothing else does! So, is that multitrack update due soon? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 13 20:56:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15305; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 20:54:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 20:54:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000501c0ac29$81cce7a0$4d2078d8@prelayomb> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010313150206.036a3320@mail.classicnet.net> <000501c0ac26$437eebe0$502078d8@prelayomb> Subject: Repeater Uses Note On Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:53:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dude-- The Repeater uses note on to shift pitches--good for something, but???? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 13 21:04:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16023; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 21:02:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 21:02:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010313175856.01e230f0@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 18:02:00 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Repeater Uses Note On In-Reply-To: <000501c0ac29$81cce7a0$4d2078d8@prelayomb> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010313150206.036a3320@mail.classicnet.net> <000501c0ac26$437eebe0$502078d8@prelayomb> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gary Lehmann (05:53 PM 03/13/01) wrote: >Dude-- >The Repeater uses note on to shift pitches--good for something, but???? ??? Shifting pitches is usually good for pitch shifting. I'm confused on what you're asking. Repeater has the ability to record a loop in one key, and play it back pitch shifted by following MIDI NOTE messages. Fun for controlling your didg loops via a MIDI keyboard. :) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 13 21:20:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16427; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 21:19:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 21:19:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c0ac2c$f7235400$5d2078d8@prelayomb> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010313150206.036a3320@mail.classicnet.net> <000501c0ac26$437eebe0$502078d8@prelayomb> <5.0.2.1.2.20010313175856.01e230f0@mail.redmoon-music.com> Subject: Re: Repeater Uses Note On Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 18:17:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >The Repeater uses note on to shift pitches--good for something, but???? > > ??? Shifting pitches is usually good for pitch shifting. > > I'm confused on what you're asking. > > Repeater has the ability to record a loop in one key, and play it back > pitch shifted by following MIDI NOTE messages. Fun for controlling your > didg loops via a MIDI keyboard. :) > > Mark Yeah, but-- I can't send controller values from the fretboard of a MIDI guitar. Nor can I send program changes from different zones of the neck . . . I'm not asking anything. I'm pointing out that this product is severely limited in it's implementation of MIDI note on information. I like some of the features, but the bottom line is, this unit doesn't do everything I need, and I can't do beans with it from the Ztar. The EDP, with its note on MIDI capabilities, is gonna be impossible to replace. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 13 21:27:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16726; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 21:26:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 21:26:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 20:25:38 -0600 Subject: PMC10 and Raymond editor From: Steve Ginn To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000b01c0ac2c$f7235400$5d2078d8@prelayomb> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone happen to have the latest version of the Raymond editor (2.20 I think?) for the PMC10 footcontroller? I have tried downloading it from the website but my download just sits there trying to negotiate the ftp connection. If you wouldn't mind emailing it to me off list, I would sure appreciate it. Thanks, Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 13 22:46:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18723; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 22:44:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 22:44:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 20:50:57 -0800 From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: MiniDisk & EQ - was Re: Loop Recording and Loading To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004701c0ac42$5d92e1a0$735cfea9@pavilion> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 References: X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (hi) Miko and i have discussed this a little--I find the MD is fantastic overall, but seems to have problems with harmonically complex noises (like my didgeridoos and reeds)--I usually hear a few hissy little ghost-artifacts that aren't there in the original mix I thought it was just my compromised grey matter, but I saw a post on a MD group from a bagpiper who reported the same problem I notice it with my Sharp 702 and my Sony MDS-DRE1, which is the now discontinued DJ minidisc deck that allows you to instantly cue up to 12 set points--you can loop them pretty seamlessly and of course there is a scratch pad ;) wild piece of kit! I still use a portable Marantz and a Sony Walkman Pro for alot of recording and though there is more hiss, I find the sound to be more realistic--but you can't beat the convenience of MD drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Biffle" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 4:11 PM Subject: MiniDisk & EQ - was Re: Loop Recording and Loading > I've read a bit about non-audible frequencies and their contribution to audible frequencies through inter-modulation... It's interesting to ponder the ramifications of this stuff and I'm sure engineers (audio and otherwise) can debate endlessly on the subject. > > I can state without hesitation that in fairly nice studio type environments, my mini-disc player has yet to offend my ears. SNIP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 13 23:33:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20180; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 23:31:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 23:31:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 20:21:59 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Repeater Uses Note On In-reply-to: <000b01c0ac2c$f7235400$5d2078d8@prelayomb> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010313150206.036a3320@mail.classicnet.net> <000501c0ac26$437eebe0$502078d8@prelayomb> <5.0.2.1.2.20010313175856.01e230f0@mail.redmoon-music.com> <000b01c0ac2c$f7235400$5d2078d8@prelayomb> Resent-Message-ID: <5Z-XCC.A.A7E.2Pvr6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:17 PM -0800 3/13/01, Gary Lehmann wrote: >I can't send controller values from the fretboard of a MIDI guitar. >Nor can I send program changes from different zones of the neck . . . Buy a cheap laptop and run some MIDI mapping software. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 13 23:48:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20460; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 23:46:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 23:46:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 23:43:37 -0500 To: "Art List" From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance with Immersion Music Salon 3.17.01, Cambridge MA Cc: Ambient List , eyecandy@egroups.com, all@artelsoft.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, DrTVideo@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks. I'm performing again with the always different, always exciting mixed-media ensemble, Immersion Music Salon , on Saturday, March 17, at the Zeitgeist Gallery. This edition of the ensemble includes: Curtis Bahn - sBass aka the r!g Marc Bisson - (un)prepared guitar Marilda Castro - movement & light Ron Lessard - electroniques Teresa Marrin Nakra - conductor's jacket (and probably violin) Emile Tobenfeld - balayage des electron (that's Walter's translation of video mixology) Walter Wright - loup-garo (that's Walter's translation of video shredder) The Zeitgeist is at the corner of Broadway and Norfolk in Central Square, Cambridge, Mass, 617-876-2182 Suggested donation, $5. Hope to see you there. -- "Once the search is in progress, something will be found" -- Brian Eno and Peter Schmidt Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 14 00:02:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA21244; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 00:01:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 00:01:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004701c0ac42$5d92e1a0$735cfea9@pavilion> References: <004701c0ac42$5d92e1a0$735cfea9@pavilion> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 00:00:35 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: MiniDisk & EQ - was Re: Loop Recording and Loading Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Lambrecht >(hi) Miko and i have discussed this a little--I find the MD is fantastic >overall, but seems to have problems with harmonically complex noises (like >my didgeridoos and reeds)--I usually hear a few hissy little ghost-artifacts >that aren't there in the original mix > >I thought it was just my compromised grey matter, but I saw a post on a MD >group from a bagpiper who reported the same problem > >I notice it with my Sharp 702 and my Sony MDS-DRE1, which is the now >discontinued DJ minidisc deck that allows you to instantly cue up to 12 set >points--you can loop them pretty seamlessly > >and of course there is a scratch pad ;) wild piece of kit! > >I still use a portable Marantz and a Sony Walkman Pro for alot of recording >and though there is more hiss, I find the sound to be more >realistic--butyou can't beat the convenience of MD has a good discussion of ATRAC, the encoding mechanism used in minidiscs. A trouble with ATRAC and MP3 for drones and slowly evolving timbres is that they divide the audio track into a large number of small regions which they encode separately (admittedly with an overlap). While the harmonic content is preserved, the phase information is, I feel, blown to Hell. This doesn't make a difference for most music but for pieces where interactions between detuned oscillators are important, you aren't going to get what you want. There are similar problems, in my perception anyway, with the "space" of a room. I believe that a reasonable amount of the information that conveys the shape of a room to your ear is pretty sensitive to phase. And as someone else pointed out, EQing the result might have negative results. I personally don't think this is terribly terrible, as only bands that would naturally be hidden are affected, but if you are trying to bring out a track that is obscured, one might think that all sorts of artefacts would be revealed. What it comes down to, for me, is that mp3/atrac encoding devices are just splendid tools for making things like gig recordings and rehearsal "tapes" but if you intend to keep working with the material afterward then you should if you can record in some uncompressed format. (Of course, I'd take any MD over a really good cassette for any purposes...) /t ...electronic a cappella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 14 00:03:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA21297; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 00:02:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 00:02:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010313150206.036a3320@mail.classicnet.net> <000501c0ac26$437eebe0$502078d8@prelayomb> <5.0.2.1.2.20010313175856.01e230f0@mail.redmoon-music.com> <000b01c0ac2c$f7235400$5d2078d8@prelayomb> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 00:01:48 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Repeater Uses Note On Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar >At 6:17 PM -0800 3/13/01, Gary Lehmann wrote: > >>I can't send controller values from the fretboard of a MIDI guitar. >>Nor can I send program changes from different zones of the neck . . . > >Buy a cheap laptop and run some MIDI mapping software. one more thing to carry. one more thing to set up. one more thing to have to debug. and a complicated thing at that. /t ...electronic a cappella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 14 00:10:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA21673; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 00:09:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 00:09:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 23:09:08 -0600 Subject: Re: Repeater Uses Note On From: Steve Ginn To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Or you could get one of those small little boxes made by Midi Solutions where you can program it to do what you want. I believe one of their boxes will add whatever CC# you like to your existing midi data stream and all it takes is the box which weighs about 4 ounces and a small section of midi cable. Just an idea ... Steve on 3/13/01 11:01 PM, Tom Ritchford at tom@swirly.com wrote: > From: Richard Zvonar > >> At 6:17 PM -0800 3/13/01, Gary Lehmann wrote: >> >>> I can't send controller values from the fretboard of a MIDI guitar. >>> Nor can I send program changes from different zones of the neck . . . >> >> Buy a cheap laptop and run some MIDI mapping software. > > one more thing to carry. one more thing to set up. one more thing > to have to debug. and a complicated thing at that. > > /t > > > ...electronic a cappella madness ......... > ...extreme internet radio ... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 14 00:53:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22131; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 00:51:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 00:51:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <02c001c0ac4b$1199f140$a0ad5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: MiniDisk & EQ - was Re: Loop Recording and Loading Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 00:53:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What mic do you use? Does your portable MD recorder have a digital output? Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox -----Original Message----- From: Tony Moore To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 5:08 PM Subject: Re: MiniDisk & EQ - was Re: Loop Recording and Loading >i >almost always run my md recordings thru an eq (along with compression, >etc) when editing. btw, the majority of these recordings are live >recordings made with a little sony portable md recorder and a cheap >stereo condensor mic. > >tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 14 01:25:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA22939; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 01:22:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 01:22:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 22:17:13 -0800 Subject: Re: MiniDisk & EQ - was Re: Loop Recording and Loading Message-ID: <20010313.221713.-175437.1.tony-moore@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 14-25,28-53 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Tony Moore Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i use a little t shaped condensor mic i bought from minidisco. it was cheap, about $50 if i remember correctly. it plugs directly into the mic input of my md recorder, which is a sony mz-r50. it's a couple models old by now. the little mic sounds frightenly good for the cost/size. the mz-r50 has no digital out, but a digital (optical) line in. go figger. i also have a sony deck that has digital ins and outs. don't have it right in front of me, but it's also a couple years old and wasn't the best model. i paid about $150 for the portable ('new' refurb from a sony outlet), $150 for the md deck (new from the same sony outlet) and $50 for mic (from http:minidisco.com). a very cheap setup for the return i've gotten out of it. and i consider the deck pretty frivelous. as another said, i only use this rig for recording gigs and such. tho' a couple of those recordings have made their way onto indie released cd's. yep, WAY better than any cassette recorder. tho' i guess some will say the md format is not noi, er, warm enough ;-) tony On Wed, 14 Mar 2001 00:53:17 -0500 "Bill Fox" writes: > What mic do you use? Does your portable MD recorder have a digital > output? > > Bill billfox@fast.net > http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html > ========================================================================= === > Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. > Thursdays at > 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton > and > Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay > consideration. > Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org > Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Moore > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Date: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 5:08 PM > Subject: Re: MiniDisk & EQ - was Re: Loop Recording and Loading > > > >i > >almost always run my md recordings thru an eq (along with > compression, > >etc) when editing. btw, the majority of these recordings are live > >recordings made with a little sony portable md recorder and a cheap > >stereo condensor mic. > > > >tony > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 14 01:36:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23201; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 01:34:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 01:34:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 22:21:27 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Repeater Uses Note On In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:09 PM -0600 3/13/01, Steve Ginn wrote: >Or you could get one of those small little boxes made by Midi Solutions >where you can program it to do what you want. I believe one of their boxes >will add whatever CC# you like to your existing midi data stream and all it >takes is the box which weighs about 4 ounces and a small section of midi >cable. Just an idea ... The MIDI Solutions Mapper can store up to 10 settings and can change MIDI Controller, Program Change, Channel Pressure, Pitch Bend, Note Number, and Note Velocity messges into each other. US$119 -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 14 01:44:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23371; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 01:42:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 01:42:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 22:31:44 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Repeater Uses Note On In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010313150206.036a3320@mail.classicnet.net> <000501c0ac26$437eebe0$502078d8@prelayomb> <5.0.2.1.2.20010313175856.01e230f0@mail.redmoon-music.com> <000b01c0ac2c$f7235400$5d2078d8@prelayomb> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:01 AM -0500 3/14/01, Tom Ritchford wrote: >>Buy a cheap laptop and run some MIDI mapping software. > >one more thing to carry. one more thing to set up. one more thing >to have to debug. and a complicated thing at that. Not complicated at all. Max on a PowerBook is remarkably stable, though admittedly computers are more fragile than most rack-mount audio gear. It's all a matter of what you need to do. Ten years ago I was able to get my TC2290 to do things under computer control that most dedicated loopers still can't do. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 14 03:26:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA25204; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 03:23:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 03:23:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: JohnFlem@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 03:23:21 EST Subject: Re: Repeater MIDI Implementation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wouldn't call it LIMITED...just not the way you want it to be....I have a DMC Ground Control, and it doesn't do a whole lot in the way of CC messages (unless you add a Ground Link to it). A Controller with flexible CC capabilities seems to be the best choice for Repeater. (I have to dig for a PMC10??). As for the Repeater VS EDP debate.... The Multitrack and Storage functions of the Repeater are a BIG Plus for my use of a Looper. I think that is what it really comes down to in the end (it's also STEREO). The EDP wins with it's excellent dedicated Foot Controller. As for the rest, we'll just have to wait and see how the Software comes out. jmp In a message dated 3/13/01 11:03:51 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: << I'm not asking anything. I'm pointing out that this product is severely limited in it's implementation of MIDI note on information. >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 14 06:13:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA27837; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 06:10:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 06:10:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010314060950.007d72f0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 06:09:50 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: MiniDisk & EQ - was Re: Loop Recording and Loading In-Reply-To: <004701c0ac42$5d92e1a0$735cfea9@pavilion> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just a short $.02 on the MiniDisc thread: I've been using MD for a few years and while I find the convenience of the format and the random access great and I have no problem with the compression issues, I do feel somewhat obligated to offer a minor caveat. If any of you are considering the purchase of a Sony MDS-JE510 MD deck, DON'T DO IT! Run, don't walk, away from this unit. I'm not slamming the MD format at all; the 510, I found out too late, is notorious among repairmen for a design flaw which causes the disc transport mechanism to jam, which in turn destroys the plastic loading cogs and the overwrite head. My unit has been on the bench several times, and getting Sony to honor their warranty coverage is like pulling teeth. Other than the mechanical problems with this particular model, I like the sound and find the format very convenient. I just have to treat my 510 very gingerly, which of course means that it's no longer part of my looping rig, but stays at home. Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 14 08:14:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA31527; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 08:12:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 08:12:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:11:02 +0000 Subject: MD and EQ From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-FJXj.A.RsH.r32r6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > So if these frequencies are not present on the MD > after recording, wouldn't the effectiveness of > subsequent EQ (say, on a mixer) be hampered by the > lack of these frequencies? my solo album, 'And Nothing But The Bass' was all, except one track, recorded live to MD infront of an audience, just using a sony ECM-907 stereo mic. I then dumped it all into Protools to match levels and EQ and edit out all the crap that I talk between tunes. I didn't detect any problems with EQing it in protools, though admittedly we didn't have to do that much to most of it. I was amazed at the record quality from the MD - there are a couple of points where it clips and there is minimal digital distortion (managed to get rid of most of it in pro-tools - gotta love that pencil tool). I recently listened to the album through the studio monitors at Abbey Road (Penthouse studio/DVD suite) - if anything would show up flaws in the recording it would be the system in there and it sounded amazing! I was well chuffed :o) So MINIDISC gets my vote... cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 14 08:26:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA31735; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 08:24:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 08:24:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3762FE9C13F2D3119321000629EE46DE0AF912@HCI> From: Rod Morgan To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Boss RC20 LoopStation pedal - more info Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 08:24:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Where is this pedal? Went on Rolands web site and could'nt find it. [Like pulling teeth in the dark.......w/ a spoon] Checked on several sites such Mus. friend, Zzounds etc. nothing. Anybody know anything? -----Original Message----- From: Ian Popperwell [mailto:popperwell@iname.com] Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 8:12 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Boss RC20 LoopStation pedal - more info Hi, I'm new to this list and find it really interesting both technically and artistically. I thought this might be of interest - I got it from the Roland.co.uk website. BOSS PREMIERES TWIN PEDAL SERIES - New RC-20 Loop Station Effects Pedal Delivers Ultimate Quality and Unsurpassed Tone - On the 25th anniversary of BOSS Corporation, the company behind some of the world's most popular guitar and bass effects is proud to premiere its brand new Twin Pedal Series. These new effects pedals-the GP-20 Amp Factory, EQ-20 Advanced EQ and RC-20 Loop Station-employ a unique dual-pedal design, high-quality components, and legendary BOSS construction to deliver absolute knock-out effects for discriminating guitarists and bassists. And while the Twin Pedals are made to be used on the floor for performance, they are also at home on the tabletop for recording applications. The RC-20 Loop Station is the answer to many live performers' dreams - a compact phrase recording and sampling pedal that's actually easy to use. A long sampling time of up to 5 min. 30 seconds makes it possible to record an entire song, while an Overdub function allows for the creation of 'sound-on-sound' loops in real time. Thanks to helpful Guide Click and Loop Quantize functions, its easier than ever to create perfect loops. And once a loop has been created, either by stepping on the pedal or using Auto Start, a Realtime Tempo Change feature permits changing its tempo without changing its pitch, simply by tapping the pedal in time with the music. In all, the RC-20 can store up to 10 looped phrases and one "one-shot" phrase, even after power-off. Hands-free control and Mic and Auxiliary inputs make the RC-20 an essential effect pedal for guitarists, bassists and other musicians looking to create and play back loops 'on the fly'.  From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 14 09:35:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00531; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:33:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:33:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 06:35:32 -0800 From: Doug Lawrence Subject: RE: Boss RC20 LoopStation pedal - links In-reply-to: <3762FE9C13F2D3119321000629EE46DE0AF912@HCI> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000401c0ac94$06a11090$0382c83f@kinesys12> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://209.144.99.11/PRODUCTS/MI/mi_namm_w01/rc20_b.htm http://www.roland.co.uk/prodcat/DETAIL.asp?id=RC20 -----Original Message----- From: Rod Morgan [mailto:Rmorgan@harman-const.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 5:25 AM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: RE: Boss RC20 LoopStation pedal - more info Where is this pedal? Went on Rolands web site and could'nt find it. [Like pulling teeth in the dark.......w/ a spoon] Checked on several sites such Mus. friend, Zzounds etc. nothing. Anybody know anything? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 14 10:02:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01458; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:00:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:00:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AAF87DE.D811F8F7@virtulink.com> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:01:50 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss RC20 LoopStation pedal - more info References: <3762FE9C13F2D3119321000629EE46DE0AF912@HCI> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rod Morgan wrote: > > Where is this pedal? Went on Rolands web site and could'nt find it. [Like > pulling teeth in the dark.......w/ a spoon] Checked on several sites such > Mus. friend, Zzounds etc. nothing. Anybody know anything? Musicans Enemy....uh, Friend has it. But not until 5/1. http://www.musiciansfriend.com/ex/shop/home/010314065743024003157223244821?pid=151329 -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 14 11:14:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02952; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:12:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:12:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c0aca1$69370720$9b2078d8@prelayomb> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: Subject: MIDI Solutions Remapping (was: Repeater Uses Note On) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 08:11:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings-- Thanks to all who suggested the MIDI Solutions MIDI Mapper. It looks like the ticket--but it also does only 10 remaps, and I'm not sure about the zoning. To quote the manual, "Note Number Range (number of notes mapped) *Range is centered on Note #64. Note values within the range are scaled from 0 to 127. Note values falling above the range are assigned a value of 127, notes falling below a value of 0." Might be a bit convoluted to make it all happen. Repeater has an extensive MIDI implementation, but it's all hardwired. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 14 12:29:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04621; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:23:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:23:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:20:41 -0500 Subject: Re: MiniDisk & EQ - was Re: Loop Recording and Loading From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010314060950.007d72f0@pop.ici.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com May as well jump in here to alert potential MD buters that I just snagged a Sony MZ-R37 portable for a mere $129. I used to record my performances (just to find out how bad I was) on cassette, but no more--this thing is perfect. And for $129? Get outta here! Check out etronics.com.... David Lee Myers http://www.pulsewidth.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Ourobouros" CD of new Feedback Music available now on Pulsewidth! In NYC at Downtown Music, Kim's Mondo, and Other Music, and through Forced Exposure, Anomalous, Wayside, Electronic Music Foundation, Recommended, and Staalplaat. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 14 12:31:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04724; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:28:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:28:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:10:44 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: MIDI Solutions Remapping (was: Repeater Uses Note On) In-reply-to: <001501c0aca1$69370720$9b2078d8@prelayomb> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: <001501c0aca1$69370720$9b2078d8@prelayomb> Resent-Message-ID: <9eH2FC.A.fJB.4n6r6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:11 AM -0800 3/14/01, Gary Lehmann wrote: >Thanks to all who suggested the MIDI Solutions MIDI Mapper... I'm >not sure about the zoning. To quote the manual, "Note Number Range >(number of notes mapped) *Range is centered on Note #64. Note values >within the range are >scaled from 0 to 127. Note values falling above the range are >assigned a value of 127, notes falling below a value of 0." It looks a little odd to me. I suggest you plan out how you'd like the mapping system to work and then e-mail MIDI Solutions to see if their Mapper will do what you need. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 14 12:40:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05024; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:37:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:37:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cave@pop1.osk.3web.ne.jp X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1-J Message-Id: Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 02:36:47 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: about next "Looper's Delight J" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <8pMonC.A.QOB.7w6r6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Loopers, We will do looping live gig in Kobe,Japan at 11th May. It called "Looper's Delight J". Also we will live streaming for worldwide via RealVideo. We invite the mailing list to enter the materials and textures of loops for our "Looper's Delight J" live gig. Please upload your loopy mp3 for us. I think you can hear your stuff via RealVideo streaming when our live gig... I think mp3 is better and you can upload via FTP to us. (last time we offer it by cassette tape or CDR.. it was '98..) Anyway, we hope your cool loops or textures.. Please upload to: Host: www.cavestudio.co.uk Login: looper Password: heaven note: This FTP connection is upload only till 11th May. and after you can download when after a our live gig. p.s. last "Looper's Delight J" is below. http://www.cavestudio.com/LD_J (sorry,music streaming is not available now..) Regards Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 14 12:43:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05205; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:41:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:41:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.9064257144928.92.1637833118439@1.0001047095983> X-Sender: X-Mailer: Ken's Useful eMail Suite v5.1 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:39:30 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ken Subject: fri 3/16 nyc gig: ken's last ever radio extravaganza show upcoming Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com show upcoming ken's last ever radio extravaganza (free103point9 williamsburg 3/16 10p-mid) ******************************* Friday March 16 @ free103point9/free91point9 Southside of Williamsburg - reply for directions Ken's Last Ever Radio Extravaganza 10pm-midnight, third floor, 103.9-FM ******************************* Sonic loopy manipulations, attempting to disrupt, hypnotize, deconstruct, and unify, through completely live improvised experimentations with electronic noise-eating devices. Repetition guaranteed. Now in its 8th year: http://free-music.com/ken/extrav/ Repetition guaranteed. Broadcast on 103.9-FM in Williamsburg General event info: Fri. 3/16, 10pm-?, $5 free103point9 Second Floor/Third Floor art gallery noises from guitars, electronics, turntables and more, on two floors 7 bands on second floor, DJ's on second floor, DJ and K.L.E.R.E. on third floor Second floor broadcast on 91.9-FM throughout Williamsburg, from Greenpoint to Crown Heights, from Dumbo to Bushwick Third floor broadcast on 103.9-FM on the Southside of Williamsburg, from Metropolitan Ave. to S. 11th St., from the East River to the BQE -- Text, hours of low-fidelity streaming shows, other: http://free-music.com/ken/extrav/ - Ken kenzo@free-music.com (please ignore any forward-looking statements in this message. ken's last ever radio extravaganza is completely improvised.) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 14 12:58:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05528; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:53:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:53:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.16.219.10] From: "Pete Mundt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: about next "Looper's Delight J" Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:51:51 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Mar 2001 17:51:51.0600 (UTC) FILETIME=[730F2300:01C0ACAF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh That is just so damn way cool!!! Count me in with bells on, I cant wait to check this out!!!!! Pete. >From: Sunao Inami >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: about next "Looper's Delight J" >Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 02:36:47 +0900 > >Hi Loopers, > >We will do looping live gig in Kobe,Japan at 11th May. >It called "Looper's Delight J". >Also we will live streaming for worldwide via RealVideo. > >We invite the mailing list to enter the materials and textures of loops for >our "Looper's Delight J" live gig. >Please upload your loopy mp3 for us. >I think you can hear your stuff via RealVideo streaming when our live >gig... > >I think mp3 is better and you can upload via FTP to us. >(last time we offer it by cassette tape or CDR.. it was '98..) >Anyway, we hope your cool loops or textures.. >Please upload to: > >Host: >www.cavestudio.co.uk > >Login: >looper > >Password: >heaven > >note: >This FTP connection is upload only till 11th May. >and after you can download when after a our live gig. > >p.s. >last "Looper's Delight J" is below. >http://www.cavestudio.com/LD_J >(sorry,music streaming is not available now..) > > Regards > > Sunao Inami >http://www.cavestudio.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 14 13:05:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06266; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:01:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:01:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: MIDI Solutions Remapping (was: Repeater Uses Note On) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:58:16 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <001501c0aca1$69370720$9b2078d8@prelayomb> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One thing that Midi Solutions is good at is making custom boxes. So if you have a specific need that isn't met by one of their standard offerings, you can call them up and get a quote on a custom job. Maybe if it turns out that most on this list have the same need to fill the Repeaters holes, then Midi Solutions might arrange a bulk purchase or even make it one of their standard boxes. Just a thought ... Steve > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:relayonemanband@cts.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 10:11 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: MIDI Solutions Remapping (was: Repeater Uses Note On) > > > Greetings-- > Thanks to all who suggested the MIDI Solutions MIDI Mapper. > It looks like > the ticket--but it also does only 10 remaps, and I'm not sure > about the > zoning. To quote the manual, "Note Number Range (number of > notes mapped) > *Range is centered on Note #64. Note values within the range are > scaled from 0 to 127. Note values falling above the range are > assigned a value of 127, notes falling below a value of 0." > Might be a bit convoluted to make it all happen. Repeater > has an extensive > MIDI implementation, but it's all hardwired. > Gary > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 14 13:27:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06643; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:22:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:22:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 18:24:16 +0100 Subject: BossRC-20 Looop Station From: roberto To: CC: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I found all the info on the Roland pedal in the Boss web site getting to it from the main Roland site (www.rolandus.com). If you ask Roland (via the same site) they send you a brochure with all the info, although it isn't much more than what you get on the site. However, I still couldn't find where to buy it nor what the retail price is... Roberto ______________________________________________ Roberto Battista http://www.robat.scl.net http://www.robat.scl.net/lectures/index.shtm Tel. 0044 020 8449 1995 Mobile 0775 960 4344 ______________________________________________ http://www.rustyrobot.com independent on-line music distribution, the music you can't find elsewhere, contemporary classical, eclectic, world... ______________________________________________ http://www.robat.scl.net/html/tibet/tibet.shtm an exciting project on technology applied to mobile education for developing countries and remote locations... ______________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 14 13:45:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07057; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:41:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:41:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 18:42:48 +0100 Subject: fretless looping guitars From: roberto To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2mKmAB.A.rtB.Hs7r6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In the Loopers' archive I found a series of one-year old messages by a number of fretless guitar players, started by one named Leander - any of these still around? If so: It's nice to see that there are some people experimenting with fretless guitar and it surprises me it took so long (fretless bass has been around for ages).. I have been playing fretless guitar for a couple of years too. I tried many variations; starting from an old Strat copy I removed the frets and levelled the fretboard nicely. Then I started trying different kinds of strings and tuning, using middle-eastern and oriental scales as a base. At the moment I am using the guitar with much thicker than normal, all metal bound strings tuned in various ways, such as G D G C D G or C G C E G C. When I use the guitar "clean" I get a warm, "wooden" sound, a way in between a oud and a sitar, otherwise I use it with an e-bow and a Zoom 40-40 set of effects, obtaining very interesting, cello-like sounds. Sometimes I still use a Montarbo Sinfotone, an ancient fuzz/sustain pedal I had since the seventies that produces a sound reminding a lot of the early Fripp's sound. I am considering buying a Fernandes Monterey fretless/sustainer, although I have never had a chance to put my hands on one to try it as they seem to be very difficult to find in Europe (I have only seen them in the fretless.com web site). Do you know anything first-hand about these guitars? I am also trying to convince a local luthier (I am in London, UK) to build a fretless guitar I have designed, with moveable individual strings bridges (like a Japanese Kodo) that would allow for dramatic tuning changes while playing and a small harp-like extension. If you want to hear some sound samples from two CDs I have produced partially with the fretless you can visit the Rusty Robot web site at http://www.rustyrobot.com go to the catalogue page and look for the "robat" cds (The site is being redesigned and a new version will be up shortly) Any other fretless looper out there? cheers Roberto ______________________________________________ Roberto Battista http://www.robat.scl.net http://www.robat.scl.net/lectures/index.shtm Tel. 0044 020 8449 1995 Mobile 0775 960 4344 ______________________________________________ http://www.rustyrobot.com independent on-line music distribution, the music you can't find elsewhere, contemporary classical, eclectic, world... ______________________________________________ http://www.robat.scl.net/html/tibet/tibet.shtm an exciting project on technology applied to mobile education for developing countries and remote locations... ______________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 14 14:07:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08146; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 14:05:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 14:05:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <30.11cc51a6.27e11a36@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 14:02:14 EST Subject: Rusty Robot To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Where can I purchase (in dollars) Rusty Robot CDs? Thanks, James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 14 14:20:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08410; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 14:17:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 14:17:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:06:38 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: MIDI Solutions Remapping (was: Repeater Uses Note On) In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1227525660==_ma============" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1227525660==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 11:58 AM -0600 3/14/01, M. Steven Ginn wrote: >One thing that Midi Solutions is good at is making custom boxes. So if >you have a specific need that isn't met by one of their standard >offerings, you can call them up and get a quote on a custom job. Maybe >if it turns out that most on this list have the same need to fill the >Repeaters holes, then Midi Solutions might arrange a bulk purchase or >even make it one of their standard boxes. Just a thought ... Custom design is limited to custom firmware only: "Please understand that we do not accept orders for products that require design of new hardware. However if you are in need of a MIDI processing function that can be incorporated into one of our existing products by modifying the firmware, we likely can provide the solution. Our minimum charge for custom-modified products is $250 over the original cost of the product, however if the modifications are not unreasonably complex we can usually offer it for this amount. Please contact us for a quote." http://www.midisolutions.com/prodcst.htm http://www.johnfast.com/ http://www.midisolutions.com/applicat.HTM#Custom%20Products -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com --============_-1227525660==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" RE: MIDI Solutions Remapping (was: Repeater Uses Note
At 11:58 AM -0600 3/14/01, M. Steven Ginn wrote:
One thing that Midi Solutions is good at is making custom boxes.  So if
you have a specific need that isn't met by one of their standard
offerings, you can call them up and get a quote on a custom job.  Maybe
if it turns out that most on this list have the same need to fill the
Repeaters holes, then Midi Solutions might arrange a bulk purchase or
even make it one of their standard boxes.  Just a thought ...

Custom design is limited to custom firmware only:

"Please understand that we do not accept orders for products that require design of new hardware. However if you are in need of a MIDI processing function that can be incorporated into one of our existing products by modifying the firmware, we likely can provide the solution. Our minimum charge for custom-modified products is $250 over the original cost of the product, however if the modifications are not unreasonably complex we can usually offer it for this amount. Please contact us for a quote."

http://www.midisolutions.com/prodcst.htm

http://www.johnfast.com/

http://www.midisolutions.com/applicat.HTM#Custom%20Products
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(818) 788-2202 voice                    zvonar@LCSaudio.com                            
(818) 788-2203 fax                      zvonar@well.com                
                                       
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--============_-1227525660==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 14 16:24:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11870; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 16:21:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 16:21:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010314211913.16256.qmail@web216.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:19:13 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Subject: Stanford U CCRMA concert - some looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I see that Stanford Univerity's Center for Computer Research in Music and Acoustics (CCRMA)is having its winter concert this Friday. I've not been to any of their performances before, but plan to go, if anyone wants to meetup. Here are some interesting tecnical tidbits (more at http://www-ccrma.stanford.edu/events/concerts/20010316/#S-Trance-S) "Crossings" looks like the most immediately loop-related performance. stephen - Oranged - ...This piece was composed using Frequency Modulation and only Common Lisp Music on Linux at CCRMA.... - Fabrication for trumpet and electronics - Music for Hi-Hat and Computer Technically, the computer tracks parameters of the hi-hat, such as pitch, amplitude, spectrum, density, rests, articulation, tempi, etc, and uses this information to trigger specific electronic events, and to continuously control all the computer sound output by directly controlling the digital synthesis algorithms - Crossings for solo guitar and live electronics Crossings also uses a live sampling technique -- in which a series of patterns are captured into a recorded loop and repeated back -- allowing the soloist to play an additional melodic layer while the sampled pattern continues. S-Trance-S for metasaxophone S-Trance-S (2001) explores instrumental transduction between "real" and physically modelled instruments. The metasaxophone controls the transformation between three instruments: the acoustic saxophone, a string physical model created by Stefania Serafin and here played by the metasaxophone controllers, and acoustic bowed string timbres played by the computer UNI for Radio Drum and tactex pad UNI is a new piece created by the performers that integrates realtime performance of both sound and images in a structured improvisation. It has only recently become possible to "play" images in realtime...Sound material is gathered from these clips and other sources, and processed using Max/MSP. ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 14 17:00:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12659; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 16:58:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 16:58:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 21:59:26 +0100 Subject: Re: Rusty Robot From: roberto To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <30.11cc51a6.27e11a36@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 3/14/01 8:02 PM, Jhsidlo@aol.com at Jhsidlo@aol.com wrote: > Where can I purchase (in dollars) Rusty Robot CDs? > > Thanks, James > >From the RustyRobot site as soon as I manage to set up the credit card transaction, which should hopefully be in the next few weeks!! If you can be patient.. Thank you Roberto ______________________________________________ Roberto Battista http://www.robat.scl.net http://www.robat.scl.net/lectures/index.shtm Tel. 0044 020 8449 1995 Mobile 0775 960 4344 ______________________________________________ http://www.rustyrobot.com independent on-line music distribution, the music you can't find elsewhere, contemporary classical, eclectic, world... ______________________________________________ http://www.robat.scl.net/html/tibet/tibet.shtm an exciting project on technology applied to mobile education for developing countries and remote locations... ______________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 14 17:45:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14059; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:42:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:42:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <73.bcecce4.27e14d4c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:40:12 EST Subject: Re: fretless looping guitars To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com roberto said: >I am also trying to convince a local luthier (I am in London, UK) to build >a fretless guitar I have designed, with moveable individual strings bridges >(like a Japanese Kodo) that would allow for dramatic tuning changes while >playing and a small harp-like extension. i've got a coupla (funky, self-made) instruments like that, though i don't usually move any of the 'secondary' bridges while playing, & there's no 'harp-like extension'; one of the instruments has a 'water container' filling up its soundhole (under the strings)..... >Any other fretless looper out there? sometimes, i loop my ouds, electric and/or acoustic..... best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 14 18:56:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15987; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 18:51:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 18:51:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AAFF9F3.DC421A55@ripco.com> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:08:36 -0600 From: Eric Leonardson Reply-To: eleon@ripco.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eric Leonardson Subject: Musique Anecdotique, March 16-18 at Links Hall, Chicago Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Friends, Some last minute info on my upcoming and ongoing performances: 10 p.m. tonight, Wednesday March 14th at the Empty Bottle: I’m a guest musician with Stuck On Ceiling trio from Szczecin, Poland, along with multi-instrumentalist Kyle Bruckman. Tickets $10. 1035 N. Western Ave. in Chicago. 773-276-3600 "Head Poison," original physical theater by Plasticene, featuring my live and recorded music, opened last weekend and runs through April 1. At The Storefront Theatre, 66 East Randolph Street in Chicago. Performs Thursdays, Fridays, & Saturdays at 8pm & Sundays at 3pm. Special Benefit Performance for Thresholds: March 18th at 3pm. Free Public Workshop: March 17th from 1pm - 4pm. For Tickets 312.742.8497 or ticketweb.com $15 "Musique Anecdotique" Curated by Eric Leonardson A series of electroacoustic music performances by Yasuhiro Otani and Eric Leonardson, with the premiere of Otani’s "Over the Moonbow", a real-time, computer sound score for two 16mm films by experimental filmmaker, Tatsu Aoki. Time & dates: March 16-18, Fridays and Saturdays at 8:00 p.m., Sunday at 7:00 p.m. Place: 3435 N. Sheffield Ave., Chicago: Entrance on Newport Price: Tickets $10. For reservations call Links Hall at (773) 281-0824. "Musique Anecdotique" Program: 8:00 p.m. Friday, March 16 "El-I" Yasuhiro Otani: PowerBook G3, real-time sampling/processing software Eric Leonardson: Springboard, electronics, and environmental sound A brief intermission will occur between sets 8:00 p.m. Saturday, March 17 "Over the Moonbow" Live sound by Yasuhiro Otani: PowerBook G3, real-time sampling/processing software Films by Tatsu Aoki, Rapturous (1982), and Puzzle (2001). No intermission. 7:00 p.m. Sunday, March 18 "El-II" Yasuhiro Otani: PowerBook G3, real-time sampling/processing software Eric Leonardson: Springboard, electronics, and environmental sound A brief intermission will occur between sets Curator’s Statement My work with Yasuhiro Otani began in 1997, and in some respects carries on the tradition of musique concrčte; a term coined by Pierre Schaeffer in 1948, to describe his new form of music made of phonograph recordings. Our music departs from this approach, yet its defining feature remains its narrative quality—much like a film soundtrack without the film—or a radio play. Hence it was fitting to name the series Musique Anecdotique, a term coined by Luc Ferrari for a genre in electroacoustic music that employs recognizable sounds more for their "anecdotal" or narrative aspect than for their abstract potential. Links hall is located in an active urban soundscape where the El, pedestrian and car traffic, telephones and door buzzers are ever present. Isolating the room from its environment is not possible, so I thought we should attempt to use it as a narrative of the present moment. Otani, using a Macintosh PowerBook with Max/MSP software, and software of his own design, plays and processes pre-recorded audio with sounds that are captured live, in real-time. The electronics that augment the sounds of my Springboard also provide real-time sampling and time-delays. With these devices, the Links Hall offers a unique and fugitive sound source that we may, in a sense, be able to transform into an instrument itself. Friday evening is to be a set of improvisations that sample, and generate sonic material to be reincorporated into Sunday evening's performance; elevating the concert to a series of highly plastic and dramatic events based in the poetic nature of electroacoustic sound. This series is as much about watching as it is about listening: seeing with the imagination and the eyes. Tatsu Aoki’s films are moving experiments in visual texture produced with hand-processing techniques. On Saturday two of his 16mm films will be shown, Rapturous (1982), and Puzzle (2001). For Over the Moonbow Tatsu’s emphasis on texture is echoed in Otani’s real-time sound score. Eric Leonardson, March 12, 2001 Biographies: Yasuhiro Otani lives and works in Tokyo. Starting as a jazz guitarist who studied with the late Masayuki Takayanagi, Otani also collaborates with dancers and choreographers, and started to play in his original style (solo) in 1991. He was deeply influenced by contemporary music, free music, folk music, collage, noise, music concrete, popular music, experimental music, and improvised music. Otani has become an internationally recognized musique concrčte computer artist and has performed with many notable composers and musicians, among them: Otomo Yoshihide, Sachiko M, Martin Tčtreault, Elliot Sharp, Jim O’Rourke, TV Pow, Carl Stone, and Tatsu Aoki. His recent recordings include Brain-Wash, a solo CD on Innocent Eyes & Lenses (IEL) and Dial, with Tatsu Aoki on Asian Improv Records; Experimental Tokyo (IEL), Cathode with Otomo Yoshihide (Tzadik), Four Focuses: with Martin Tčtreault, Sachiko M, and Otomo Yoshihide (Amoebic), and the Pendler compilation (The Tyte Institute/Alteration). Web page: http://member.nifty.ne.jp/yotani/ Bassist Tatsu Aoki works in a wide range of music styles from traditional Asian music and jazz to free and experimental music, mainly focusing on improvisation. He is the founder and artistic director of the Chicago Asian American Jazz Festival, which debuted in October 1996. With works ranging from solo to larger ensemble, from mainstream to avant garde, Aoki has worked with many musical legends such as Fred Anderson, Von Freeman, Afifi Phillard, Mwata Bowden, Francis Wong and Malachi Favors. Known for breaking new ground for the bass as a lead instrument. Aoki is one of the leading artists on the Asian American creative music scene. He has recorded six solo bass albums, five duet albums with various other artists; six ensemble works as leader, and has appeared as a guest artist on over thirty other albums. Among the variety of works produced in the last 15 years, his solo bass performance and recordings are internationally acclaimed, known for one of the most innovative approaches of the bass instrument. As a producer, he has produced a number of projects in the Asian American arts such as film series, albums and concert series. Born in Japan, he is a graduate of The School of the Art Institute of Chicago, where he received Bachelor and Master of Fine Arts degrees, and where he currently teaches. Web page: http://www.avantbass.com/ Eric Leonardson is an electroacoustic composer, radio artist, sound designer, instrument inventor, and improvisor. In the early-1980s he received an MFA at the School of the Art Institute of Chicago, and later co-founded the Experimental Sound Studio, where he coordinated "Sounds >From Chicago," one of the city’s first internationally broadcast radio art programs. Over the past decade he has produced concerts, toured, and performed throughout North America, Japan, and Germany. Leonardson’s interest in creating new sounds for performance and studio composition led to the invention of the Springboard, an electroacoustic percussion instrument made from found objects and recycled materials whose sounds belie its humble origins. His frequent collaborators include experimental vocalist Carol Genetti; percussionist Toshi Makihara; avant-bassist Tatsu Aoki; audio artist Steven A. Barsotti; free improv legend Jack Wright, and multi-instrumentalists Jim Baker and Bob Marsh. Leonardson is probably best known in Chicago as a composer and performer for the physical theater company Plasticene, which he co-founded in 1995. The company’s latest piece "Head Poison" has just opened and runs through the month of March at the Storefront Theater, Gallery 37 Center for the Arts. [Contact: http://www.plasticene.com/] Many of Leonardson’s compositions for film, video, theater, dance, and radio are featured on his solo CD Radio Reverie In the Waiting Place (1999) and Animus (1998) features his work with Carol Genetti. Leonardson also teaches at the School of the Art Institute of Chicago and Columbia College. For more info, contact: Eric Leonardson Email: eleon@ripco.com -- sound thinking: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon/ upcoming dates: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon/whatsnew.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 14 19:03:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15989; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 18:51:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 18:51:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AAFFD5B.482E35DD@ripco.com> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:23:08 -0600 From: Eric Leonardson Reply-To: eleon@ripco.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eric Leonardson Subject: Musique Anecdotique, March 16-18 at Links Hall, Chicago Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Friends, Here's some last minute info on my upcoming and ongoing performances: 10 p.m. tonight, Wednesday March 14th at the Empty Bottle: I’m a guest musician with Stuck On Ceiling trio from Szczecin, Poland, along with multi-instrumentalist Kyle Bruckman. Tickets $10. 1035 N. Western Ave. in Chicago. 773-276-3600 "Head Poison", original physical theater by Plasticene, featuring my live and recorded music, opened last weekend and runs through April 1. At The Storefront Theatre, 66 East Randolph Street in Chicago. Performs Thursdays, Fridays, & Saturdays at 8pm & Sundays at 3pm. Special Benefit Performance for Thresholds: March 18th at 3pm. Free Public Workshop: March 17th from 1pm - 4pm. For Tickets 312.742.8497 or ticketweb.com $15 "Musique Anecdotique", Curated by Eric Leonardson A series of electroacoustic music performances by Yasuhiro Otani and Eric Leonardson, with the premiere of Otani’s "Over the Moonbow", a real-time, computer sound score for two 16mm films by experimental filmmaker, Tatsu Aoki. Time & dates: March 16-18, Fridays and Saturdays at 8:00 p.m., Sunday at 7:00 p.m. Place: 3435 N. Sheffield Ave., Chicago: Entrance on Newport Price: Tickets $10. For reservations call Links Hall at (773) 281-0824. "Musique Anecdotique" Program: 8:00 p.m. Friday, March 16 "El-I" Yasuhiro Otani: PowerBook G3, real-time sampling/processing software Eric Leonardson: Springboard, electronics, and environmental sound A brief intermission will occur between sets 8:00 p.m. Saturday, March 17 "Over the Moonbow" Live sound by Yasuhiro Otani: PowerBook G3, real-time sampling/processing software Films by Tatsu Aoki, Rapturous (1982), and Puzzle (2001). No intermission. 7:00 p.m. Sunday, March 18 "El-II" Yasuhiro Otani: PowerBook G3, real-time sampling/processing software Eric Leonardson: Springboard, electronics, and environmental sound A brief intermission will occur between sets Curator’s Statement My work with Yasuhiro Otani began in 1997, and in some respects carries on the tradition of musique concrčte; a term coined by Pierre Schaeffer in 1948, to describe his new form of music made of phonograph recordings. Our music departs from this approach, yet its defining feature remains its narrative quality—much like a film soundtrack without the film—or a radio play. Hence it was fitting to name the series Musique Anecdotique, a term coined by Luc Ferrari for a genre in electroacoustic music that employs recognizable sounds more for their "anecdotal" or narrative aspect than for their abstract potential. Links hall is located in an active urban soundscape where the El, pedestrian and car traffic, telephones and door buzzers are ever present. Isolating the room from its environment is not possible, so I thought we should attempt to use it as a narrative of the present moment. Otani, using a Macintosh PowerBook with Max/MSP software, and software of his own design, plays and processes pre-recorded audio with sounds that are captured live, in real-time. The electronics that augment the sounds of my Springboard also provide real-time sampling and time-delays. With these devices, the Links Hall offers a unique and fugitive sound source that we may, in a sense, be able to transform into an instrument itself. Friday evening is to be a set of improvisations that sample, and generate sonic material to be reincorporated into Sunday evening's performance; elevating the concert to a series of highly plastic and dramatic events based in the poetic nature of electroacoustic sound. This series is as much about watching as it is about listening: seeing with the imagination and the eyes. Tatsu Aoki’s films are moving experiments in visual texture produced with hand-processing techniques. On Saturday two of his 16mm films will be shown, Rapturous (1982), and Puzzle (2001). For Over the Moonbow Tatsu’s emphasis on texture is echoed in Otani’s real-time sound score. Eric Leonardson, March 12, 2001 Biographies: Yasuhiro Otani lives and works in Tokyo. Starting as a jazz guitarist who studied with the late Masayuki Takayanagi, Otani also collaborates with dancers and choreographers, and started to play in his original style (solo) in 1991. He was deeply influenced by contemporary music, free music, folk music, collage, noise, music concrete, popular music, experimental music, and improvised music. Otani has become an internationally recognized musique concrčte computer artist and has performed with many notable composers and musicians, among them: Otomo Yoshihide, Sachiko M, Martin Tčtreault, Elliot Sharp, Jim O’Rourke, TV Pow, Carl Stone, and Tatsu Aoki. His recent recordings include Brain-Wash, a solo CD on Innocent Eyes & Lenses (IEL) and Dial, with Tatsu Aoki on Asian Improv Records; Experimental Tokyo (IEL), Cathode with Otomo Yoshihide (Tzadik), Four Focuses: with Martin Tčtreault, Sachiko M, and Otomo Yoshihide (Amoebic), and the Pendler compilation (The Tyte Institute/Alteration). Web page: http://member.nifty.ne.jp/yotani/ Tatsu Aoki works in a wide range of music styles from traditional Asian music and jazz to free and experimental music, mainly focusing on improvisation. He is the founder and artistic director of the Chicago Asian American Jazz Festival, which debuted in October 1996. With works ranging from solo to larger ensemble, from mainstream to avant garde, Aoki has worked with many musical legends such as Fred Anderson, Von Freeman, Afifi Phillard, Mwata Bowden, Francis Wong and Malachi Favors. Known for breaking new ground for the bass as a lead instrument. Aoki is one of the leading artists on the Asian American creative music scene. He has recorded six solo bass albums, five duet albums with various other artists; six ensemble works as leader, and has appeared as a guest artist on over thirty other albums. Among the variety of works produced in the last 15 years, his solo bass performance and recordings are internationally acclaimed, known for one of the most innovative approaches of the bass instrument. As a producer, he has produced a number of projects in the Asian American arts such as film series, albums and concert series. Born in Japan, he is a graduate of The School of the Art Institute of Chicago, where he received Bachelor and Master of Fine Arts degrees, and where he currently teaches. Web page: http://www.avantbass.com/ Eric Leonardson is an electroacoustic composer, radio artist, sound designer, instrument inventor and improvisor. In the early-1980s he received an MFA at the School of the Art Institute of Chicago, and later co-founded the Experimental Sound Studio, where he coordinated "Sounds >From Chicago," one of the city’s first internationally broadcast radio art programs. Over the past decade he has produced concerts, toured, and performed throughout North America, Japan, and Germany. Leonardson’s interest in creating new sounds for performance and studio composition led to the invention of the Springboard, an electroacoustic percussion instrument made from found objects and recycled materials whose sounds belie its humble origins. His frequent collaborators include experimental vocalist Carol Genetti; percussionist Toshi Makihara; avant-bassist Tatsu Aoki; audio artist Steven A. Barsotti; free improv legend Jack Wright, and multi-instrumentalists Jim Baker and Bob Marsh. Leonardson is probably best known in Chicago as a composer and performer for the physical theater company Plasticene, which he co-founded in 1995. The company’s latest piece "Head Poison" has just opened and runs through the month of March at the Storefront Theater, Gallery 37 Center for the Arts. [Contact: http://www.plasticene.com/] Many of Leonardson’s compositions for film, video, theater, dance, and radio are featured on his solo CD Radio Reverie In the Waiting Place (1999) and Animus (1998) features his work with Carol Genetti. Leonardson also teaches at the School of the Art Institute of Chicago and Columbia College. For more info, contact: Eric Leonardson Tel/fax: 773-342-5012 Email: eleon@ripco.com -- sound thinking: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon/ upcoming dates: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon/whatsnew.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 14 19:22:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17737; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 19:14:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 19:14:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Cataldo De Palma" To: "loopers" Subject: about paradis guitar Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 01:10:23 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know that this newsgroup is about loopers, but I think that this guitar is strictly related to this way of playing. I got one and I'd like to get in touch with anyone else who has this guitar Aldo De Palma From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 14 19:38:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18905; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 19:37:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 19:37:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007101c0ace7$ff21c540$8d83abd4@a6d4z2> From: "Luca" To: References: Subject: R: fretless looping guitars Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 01:30:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi roberto, i also use a fretless gtr. it has the body of a blade rh4 and a custom neck with ebony fingerboard. i really like its sound and "physicality"; the feeling you have moving on the flat fingerboard is fantastic. i am experimenting with a tuning set on 5th intervals starting from a low F (almost one octave below the normal low E). to loop with it is wonderful ... all the best luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 14 20:07:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20164; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 20:05:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 20:05:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AB0159C.FDF56C2A@virtulink.com> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 20:06:36 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: fretless looping guitars References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9FX3ED.A.w6E.8UBs6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com roberto wrote: > Any other fretless looper out there? I have a fretless G&L S-500. Lots of fun. I tune it like a regular guitar. http://microtones.com did the finish on the neck. I was thinking of getting a Sustainiac pickup for it, but I don't want to mess with the pickup mojo. -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 14 22:51:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23451; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 22:49:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 22:49:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: WKlein8318@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 22:48:37 EST Subject: Re: BossRC-20 Looop Station To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 114 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Musicians's Fiend has 'em for $299.00 US shipping on 5/1/01... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 15 00:53:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA26528; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 00:51:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 00:51:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002c01c0ad14$b6b15500$86936fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: Subject: Re: fretless looping guitars Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 05:56:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I too have been freed from the tyranny of frets by virtue of 'bezarre geetarre'. Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 15 01:02:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA27075; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 01:01:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 01:01:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010315005930.007dfa60@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 00:59:30 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: fretless looping guitars In-Reply-To: <73.bcecce4.27e14d4c@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:40 PM 3/14/01 EST, you wrote: >>Any other fretless looper out there? I loop fretless basses of varying scales, tuning and string gauges, fretless guitar, oud and cumbus among other things that do have frets and/or upon which frets'd be irrelevant. However, if you'd like to hear some heavy-duty fret removal in action, check out to hear list members BobDog and James Sidlo in action. -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 15 05:01:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA30688; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 04:51:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 04:51:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: IPOPPERWELL.FREESERVE.CO.UK@pop.freeserve.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 09:57:26 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ian Popperwell Subject: RE: Boss RC20 LoopStation pedal - more info In-Reply-To: <3762FE9C13F2D3119321000629EE46DE0AF912@HCI> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I got the blurb I posted from roland.co.uk and its on the "Latest products" link. I haven't found any music shops that know about it but Roland-UK said its price is due to be about =A3250.
Ian
from roland.co.uk on the new products link. good luck. I've not found any shops that know anything about it yet though. Ian.
At 08:24 14/03/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Where is this pedal? Went on Rolands web site and could'nt find it. [Like
>pulling teeth in the dark.......w/ a spoon] Checked on several sites such
>Mus. friend, Zzounds etc. nothing. Anybody know anything?
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ian Popperwell [mailto:popperwell@iname.com]
>Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 8:12 AM
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>Subject: Boss RC20 LoopStation pedal - more info
>
>
>Hi,
>
>I'm new to this list and find it really interesting both technically and
>artistically. I thought this might be of interest - I got it from the
>Roland.co.uk website.
>
>BOSS PREMIERES TWIN PEDAL SERIES
> - New RC-20 Loop Station Effects Pedal Delivers Ultimate
> Quality and Unsurpassed Tone -
>
> On the 25th anniversary of BOSS Corporation, the company
> behind some of the world's most popular guitar and bass
> effects is proud to premiere its brand new Twin Pedal Series.
> These new effects pedals-the GP-20 Amp Factory, EQ-20 Advanced=20
> EQ and RC-20 Loop Station-employ a unique dual-pedal design,
> high-quality components, and legendary BOSS construction to
> deliver absolute knock-out effects for discriminating
> guitarists and bassists. And while the Twin Pedals are made to=20
> be used on the floor for performance, they are also at home on=20
> the tabletop for recording applications.
>
> The RC-20 Loop Station is the answer to many live performers'
> dreams -=A0 a compact phrase recording and sampling pedal that's=20
> actually easy to use. A long sampling time of up to 5 min. 30
> seconds makes it possible to record an entire song, while an
> Overdub function allows for the creation of 'sound-on-sound'
> loops in real time. Thanks to helpful Guide Click and Loop
> Quantize functions, its easier than ever to create perfect
> loops. And once a loop has been created, either by stepping on=20
> the pedal or using Auto Start, a Realtime Tempo Change feature=20
> permits changing its tempo without changing its pitch, simply
> by tapping the pedal in time with the music.
>
> In all, the RC-20 can store up to 10 looped phrases and one
> "one-shot" phrase, even after power-off. Hands-free control
> and Mic and Auxiliary inputs make the RC-20 an essential
> effect pedal for guitarists, bassists and other musicians
> looking to create and play back loops 'on the fly'.
>
>
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 15 05:09:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA30768; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 04:58:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 04:58:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AB110F0.9ED7480E@vtx.ch> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:58:56 -0800 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: about paradis guitar References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7ipFSB.A.ogH.gIJs6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cataldo De Palma wrote: > > I know that this newsgroup is about loopers, but I think that this guitar is > strictly related to this way of playing. I got one and I'd like to get in > touch with anyone else who has this guitar > > Aldo De Palma hey aldo perhaps matthias can help (he was involved in paradis guitars) http://matthias.grob.org/ the site with a lot of info about paradis and his other creations (echoplex) matthias@grob.org hop this will help Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 15 05:45:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA31826; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 05:41:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 05:41:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ideastudio1@mail.galactica.it Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:40:11 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: bruno kleinefeld Subject: THANKING TO NYC (after shopping) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1227469681==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: <5ikoX.A.GxH.IxJs6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1227469681==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just to say thanks to everybody in the list: you're helpful and kind Now i have cool addresses in NYC and some shoppers family stories too. What else can a man ask? (Answer: a repeater!) bye Bruno PS: the nice restaurant in Brooklyn (Broccolin) is Al di l=E0 248 5th avenue Brooklyn New York 11215 718 783 4565 traditional italian cooking, not pizza and spaghetti bolognese, but nice fine food, somthing most of you maybe never tasted N=B0 1 in town for risotto nd many other marvellous mouth-experiences. Go there, tell Emiliano, the owner, that Bruno sent you there and you will be connected to a big famous italian family!!! --============_-1227469681==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable THANKING TO NYC (after shopping)
Just to say thanks to everybody in the list: you're helpful and kind

Now i have cool addresses in NYC and some shoppers family stories too.
What else can a man ask?
(Answer: a repeater!)

bye Bruno

PS: the nice restaurant in Brooklyn (Broccolin) is

Al di l=E0
248 5th avenue Brooklyn New York 11215
718 783 4565

traditional italian cooking, not pizza and spaghetti bolognese,
but nice fine food, somthing most of you maybe never tasted
N=B0 1 in town for risotto nd many other marvellous mouth-experiences.

Go there, tell Emiliano, the owner, that Bruno sent you there
and you will be connected to a big famous italian family!!!



--============_-1227469681==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 15 07:19:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01116; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 07:18:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 07:18:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <8e.125a4429.27df40a1@aol.com> References: <8e.125a4429.27df40a1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 09:20:12 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: UK echoplex Cc: Andy Ewen Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >anyone else in UK waiting on a echoplex? >any news? >have they got CE certification yet? not yet If you ask at Trace, they may sell you one anyway... >what about retail, I've seen Ģ499 quoted on a review. no idea... >andy butler waiting Matthias, sad with you... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 15 07:40:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01363; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 07:38:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 07:38:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c0ad4c$d3c385e0$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <8e.125a4429.27df40a1@aol.com> Subject: MD Issues contd. Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:38:23 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I mis-sent this somehow to Jon Wagner, as a regular reply, though it came through LD. Sometimes, I've noticed, a reply pops up going to the loopers-delight.com address, and sometimes the actual author. I'm curious as to what affects this from the sender end, the source or maillist? It's not a consistent thing from the maillist end as far as I can figure. *********** Here's one that causes some questions to be asked of MD users on this list who are outside the USA though. Is the compression/"minimally lossy scheme" also on the units sold in the rest of the world? I remember how long it took the MD not only to reach market in the world, but in the US, and can't help but suspect some market manipulation on the part of our old "friends" the RIAA on this one. After all it was some time before artists were actually putting a full 70 minutes of material on retail CDs; and it was well after this was general standard - as opposed to simply transposing an old vinyl release onto CD - that the MD actually emerged. Isn't it possible that the same old "they'll steal from us!" credo was put into effect, such that perhaps if the unit was capable of only recording 68 minutes, but had CD-quality sound, it wouldn't be allowed into the US (according to all-too-familiar RIAA scare tactics used in the past on every other recording medium introduced since the Compact Cassette)? Perhaps Sony blanched and actually believed their paranoid rantings, not thinking that anyone in the US would jump to their defence. It wouldn't be the first time such underestimation was done. So, if anyone has one of the first MDs made, especially outside the US, this might answer some questions, eh? Is there a difference between the first models made by Sony sold outside the US, and the later, "RIAA allowed" revisions? Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 15 08:14:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA02270; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 08:13:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 08:13:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Andy Ewen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FW: UK echoplex Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 07:07:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id IAA02244 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Loopers, We are just in the process of having the PCB re-laid as this is the only way to get the emissions down to pass CE approval, (moving some earth tracks around). This is in the hands of a local design-house who specialise in modifying products to pass EMC. I have every confidence that in a few weeks we will have a unit that can be sold in the UK/Europe. Thanks to all those patient people who are still waiting for an Echoplex and greetings to the 600 or so new users in the US who have already been supplied. We will be selling direct from here when they are ready for the UK and Ģ499 is not unreasonable as an estimate of how much they will be. I'd like to have more details of this review if possible, as we are not aware of one and have not released UK pricing yet. Andy Ewen, Echoplex man at Trace, (still working 24/7 on the EDP). > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] > Sent: 15 March 2001 12:20 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Cc: Andy Ewen > Subject: Re: UK echoplex > > > >anyone else in UK waiting on a echoplex? > >any news? > >have they got CE certification yet? > > not yet > If you ask at Trace, they may sell you one anyway... > > >what about retail, I've seen Ģ499 quoted on a review. > > no idea... > > >andy butler waiting > > Matthias, sad with you... > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 15 08:37:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA02782; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 08:34:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 08:34:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AB07113.39A8F5A9@pseudobuddha.com> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 07:36:55 +0000 From: Bobdog Reply-To: bobdog@pseudobuddha.com Organization: Pseudo Buddha X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: fretless looping guitars References: <3.0.5.32.20010315005930.007dfa60@pop.ici.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------81012E613400604E2353AEB9" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------81012E613400604E2353AEB9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Any other fretless looper out there? > However, if you'd like to hear some heavy-duty fret removal in action, > check out to hear list members BobDog and > James Sidlo in action. wow; unsolicited hype. thanky tim. in pseudo buddha we have fretless looping from me & occasionally from quinn. but our looping tends to be more in the ethereal vein than in the rigid time based layering of counterpoint & such. i'm not good enough to pull that off. claude voit is. but he has frets. am i rambling? check out kungha; he's looping fretted & fretless basses on a pretty regular basis (pun?). ok i'll stop now. for those interested, pseudo buddha has released 2 new live cd's, one somewhat busy and strange the other more mellow/loopy and strange. both have a good amount of my fretless baritone monstrosity, the magaptera veena, in full effect. $10 apiece or 2 for $20. just contact me bobdog@pseudobuddha.com and i'll set you up. thanks! bobdog --------------81012E613400604E2353AEB9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Any other fretless looper out there?
However, if you'd like to hear some heavy-duty fret removal in action,
check out <http://www.pseudobuddha.com> to hear list members BobDog and
James Sidlo in action.
wow; unsolicited hype. thanky tim. in pseudo buddha we have fretless looping from me & occasionally from quinn. but our looping tends to be more in the ethereal vein than in the rigid time based layering of counterpoint & such. i'm not good enough to pull that off.

claude voit is.

but he has frets. am i rambling?

check out kungha; he's looping fretted & fretless basses on a pretty regular basis (pun?). ok i'll stop now.

for those interested, pseudo buddha has released 2 new live cd's, one somewhat busy and strange the other more mellow/loopy and strange. both have a good amount of my fretless baritone monstrosity, the magaptera veena, in full effect.
$10 apiece or 2 for $20. just contact me bobdog@pseudobuddha.com  and i'll set you up.

thanks!

bobdog --------------81012E613400604E2353AEB9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 15 09:26:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA03910; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 09:25:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 09:25:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AB14F55.152F51A2@vtx.ch> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:25:09 -0800 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Re: fretless looping guitars References: <3.0.5.32.20010315005930.007dfa60@pop.ici.net> <3AB07113.39A8F5A9@pseudobuddha.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bobdog wrote: > > > Any other fretless looper out there? > > > However, if you'd like to hear some heavy-duty fret removal in > > action, > > check out to hear list members BobDog > > and > > James Sidlo in action. > > wow; unsolicited hype. thanky tim. in pseudo buddha we have fretless > looping from me & occasionally from quinn. but our looping tends to be > more in the ethereal vein than in the rigid time based layering of > counterpoint & such. i'm not good enough to pull that off. > > claude voit is. wow; unsolicited hype. thanky Bobdog > but he has frets. am i rambling? frets yes but I not rigid Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 15 10:50:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06098; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:49:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:49:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200103151548.KAA06050@hemlock.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:51:21 -0500 Subject: Re: MiniDisk & EQ - was Re: Loop Recording and Loading From: "Jim Arnott" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just wanted to second what Tim says here. I have this unit and have experienced exactly this problem. I have removed the screws which secure the case so I can pop the lid in order to remove jammed discs an occurence which happens frequenly. Since this mechanism is so messed up, it also causes the unit to turn itself on randomly which means you have to unplug it whenever it's not in use. From the Jethro Bodine school of electronic repair, here's what I did: This sounds really stupid and, actually, it is, but it worked for me. In screwing around with it, trying to figure out what the problem was, I noticed that if I physically applied a little downward pressure with my finger on the whole transport mechanism (it's mounted on rubber washers, so there is a little play), it worked properly. I got a thin piece of insulated wire, looped one end around a hole on the top right hand side of the transport. I looped the other end around a the flat metal piece which runs across the back of the transport and is part of the housing the the transport sits in. I pulled it tightly enough to physically lower the transport a little. believe it or not, discs no longer Jam. I did have to fiddle with it a bit - too low or too high will not correct the problem. A couple caveats: 1.Obviously this will void your warrantee. Also, I suspect there may be some reason why the height of this mechanism may be important. Two screws which would allow you to adjust the height are designed so that the cannot be tightened in order to lower the mechanism beyond a certain point (mine were tightened to the max but still did not lower the transport enough.) 2. Doing this restricts the ability of the transport to float freely on the rubber washers. I wonder if this has any sonic implications - I didn't notice any. -j ---------- >From: Tim Nelson >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: MiniDisk & EQ - was Re: Loop Recording and Loading >Date: Wed, Mar 14, 2001, 6:09 AM > >Just a short $.02 on the MiniDisc thread: > >I've been using MD for a few years and while I find the convenience of the >format and the random access great and I have no problem with the >compression issues, I do feel somewhat obligated to offer a minor caveat. > >If any of you are considering the purchase of a Sony MDS-JE510 MD deck, >DON'T DO IT! Run, don't walk, away from this unit. I'm not slamming the MD >format at all; the 510, I found out too late, is notorious among repairmen >for a design flaw which causes the disc transport mechanism to jam, which >in turn destroys the plastic loading cogs and the overwrite head. My unit >has been on the bench several times, and getting Sony to honor their >warranty coverage is like pulling teeth. > >Other than the mechanical problems with this particular model, I like the >sound and find the format very convenient. I just have to treat my 510 very >gingerly, which of course means that it's no longer part of my looping rig, >but stays at home. > >Tim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 15 11:20:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07089; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:18:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:18:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@fixme User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 08:17:41 -0800 Subject: Re: MD Issues contd. From: Tiktok To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200103151550.KAA06164@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3067489062_428268_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3067489062_428268_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Oh, I don't know about that. I believe MD's only hold 140MB of data, which would translate to about fourteen minutes of CD-quality stereo soun, so there's no way it was going to be the threat to CD sales that CD-R's and mp3 later became. I think it's more likely that MD was conceived as a replacement for cassettes with most of the features people enjoyed from CDs rather than a compression scheme was added in to keep the RIAA out of the poorhouse. I do remember a story that the initial length of CDs was based upon what it would take to fit Beethoven's Ninth Symphony [sometimes regarded as the greatest piece of music ever] on one disk. TH From: Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:50:35 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight-d@loopers-delight.com Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #152 Isn't it possible that the same old "they'll steal from us!" credo was put into effect, such that perhaps if the unit was capable of only recording 68 minutes, but had CD-quality sound, it wouldn't be allowed into the US (according to all-too-familiar RIAA scare tactics used in the past on every other recording medium introduced since the Compact Cassette)? Perhaps Sony blanched and actually believed their paranoid rantings, not thinking that anyone in the US would jump to their defence. --MS_Mac_OE_3067489062_428268_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: MD Issues contd. Oh, I don't know about that.  I believe MD's only hold 140MB of data, = which would translate to about fourteen minutes of CD-quality stereo soun, s= o there's no way it was going to be the threat to CD sales that CD-R's and m= p3 later became.    I think it's more likely that MD was conc= eived as a replacement for cassettes with most of the features people enjoye= d from CDs rather than a compression scheme was added in to keep the RIAA ou= t of the poorhouse.  

I do remember a story that the initial length of CDs was based upon what it= would take to fit Beethoven's Ninth Symphony [sometimes regarded as the gre= atest piece of music ever] on one disk.

TH


From: Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com
Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:50:35 -0500
To: Loopers-Delight-d@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #152

Isn't it possible that the same old "they'll steal from= us!" credo was put
into effect, such that perhaps if the unit was capable of only recording= 68
minutes, but had CD-quality sound, it wouldn't be allowed into the US
(according to all-too-familiar RIAA scare tactics used in the past on e= very
other recording medium introduced since the Compact Cassette)?  Perhap= s Sony
blanched and actually believed their paranoid rantings, not thinking that
      &nb= sp;anyone in the US would jump to their defence.
 --MS_Mac_OE_3067489062_428268_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 15 11:26:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07263; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:24:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:24:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [192.76.86.65] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: fretless looping guitars Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:23:42 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Mar 2001 16:23:42.0600 (UTC) FILETIME=[4CFB8880:01C0AD6C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a Fernandes Native Pro Fretless, which comes standard with Sustainer. I have found that the Sustainer takes a little longer to activate the top E string (a .009) than the other strings. To be honest, it's been sitting in its case ever since I took up the viola. Otherwise, by now I would have replaced the strings with a set of .011s and kept bugging Fernandes and Fretlessguitar.com about the promised glass fingerboard add-on option. Paolo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 15 11:44:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07710; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:42:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:42:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003d01c0ad6e$add06f20$737ee383@eihms.surrey.ac.uk> Reply-To: "Michael P. Hughes, PhD" From: "Michael P. Hughes, PhD" To: Bobdog , Loopers-Delight References: <3AB07113.39A8F5A9@pseudobuddha.com> Subject: Re: fretless looping guitars Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:40:42 -0000 Organization: University of Surrey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To bring this all back to the looping domain (lest we be cursed with OT onthe subject line), to those (seemingly numerous) souls who do loop with fretless instruments - just how difficult is it to remain in tune with oneself when looping? Don't theose chords jar against a lead line played 90% in tune? Or does the ear compenssate? Or like violin players, do you use a wide vibrato to cover? Mike (curious) PS to the person who was exploring straight-5ths tuning; good luck. Tried it for a while (FCGDAE, starting a semitone about bass guitar E) but could never get the stretches in... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 15 12:03:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08493; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:59:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:59:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: fretless looping guitars To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Curtis P Seiss" Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:40:29 -0500 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on inetmail1/TWP(Release 5.0.6a |January 17, 2001) at 03/15/2001 11:38:41 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hello everyone. my name is curt, and i am intrigued by the fretless guitar thread to the point of considering removing the frets from an old hondo electric (6 string) thats been sitting in its case for quite sometime. i have little use for the guitar, as i have several of higher quality that i use frequently for my own brand of loop based compositions... more to the point, what would be the 'correct' way to go about removing the frets...? it seems straight forward enough, but any advice/tips/strategies would be most appreciated. ---just a little info about myself... ive been playing stringed instruments of all type for about 15 years, and have recently been introducing more oscillator based electronics into my studio. as far as looping goes, i hold closely to a minimalist aesthetic, but often work with other musicians in live situations. being a newbie to the list, i would enjoy being exposed to anyone's music who would care sending along their respective URL's. i am enjoying the tracks on 'pseudobuddha' as we speak. the track "gra" would be described as "free-world music"... i love it! thanks for your time, and many thanks for this list. cheers, curt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 15 12:29:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09050; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:27:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:27:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AB0FBC6.B5C0FEE5@virtulink.com> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:28:38 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Re: fretless looping guitars References: <3AB07113.39A8F5A9@pseudobuddha.com> <003d01c0ad6e$add06f20$737ee383@eihms.surrey.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Michael P. Hughes, PhD" wrote: > > To bring this all back to the looping domain (lest we be cursed > with OT onthe subject line), to those (seemingly numerous) souls who do loop with > fretless instruments - just how difficult is it to remain in tune with > oneself when looping? Don't theose chords jar against a lead line played > 90% in tune? Or does the ear compenssate? Or like violin players, do you > use a wide vibrato to cover? Extensive ear training. -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 15 13:26:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10782; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:24:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:24:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:26:13 +0100 Subject: Re: fretless looping guitars From: roberto To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 3/15/01 5:40 PM, Curtis P Seiss at seisscp@washpost.com wrote: > > hello everyone. my name is curt, and i am intrigued by the fretless guitar > thread to the point of considering removing the frets from an old hondo > electric (6 string) thats been sitting in its case for quite sometime. i > have little use for the guitar, as i have several of higher quality that i > use frequently for my own brand of loop based compositions... more to the > point, what would be the 'correct' way to go about removing the frets...? > it seems straight forward enough, but any advice/tips/strategies would be > most appreciated. Removing the frets is a matter of care, patience and gentle craft. Once removed without damage to the fretboard the difficult bit is to fill the grooves left by the frets (unless you get a luthier to replace the fretboard altogether). In my first experiment I used very fine saw-dust mixed with natural carpenter's glue, filled with the resulting paste, left to dry properly, sanded carefully... Something to be considered is that, in order to obtain a decent sound with some "body" you need thicker strings - I have tried various combinations and am now using some electric bass and some metal wound mid-gauge guitar strings. This results in a lower tone and different tuning, it also requires strengthening the bridge and saddle as the strings' pull is stronger and could easily rip the bridge off (or simply not keep the intonation). There is plenty of room for experiments! > > ---just a little info about myself... ive been playing stringed > instruments of all type for about 15 years, and have recently been > introducing more oscillator based electronics into my studio. as far as > looping goes, i hold closely to a minimalist aesthetic, but often work with > other musicians in live situations. being a newbie to the list, i would > enjoy being exposed to anyone's music who would care sending along their > respective URL's. i am enjoying the tracks on 'pseudobuddha' as we > speak. the track "gra" would be described as "free-world music"... i > love it! Check www.rustyrobot.com - in the catalogue area you find two of my CDs with a lot of (loosely and not "mechanically") looped fretless guitar. A new CD is under production with a mixture of my guitars and Chieko's wonderful Kodo and Shamisen, looped live... The site is under refurbishment and hopefully in the next few weeks the new version (including credit card transaction) will be uploaded. > thanks for your time, and many thanks for this list. > cheers, Roberto > > > ______________________________________________ Roberto Battista http://www.robat.scl.net http://www.robat.scl.net/lectures/index.shtm Tel. 0044 020 8449 1995 Mobile 0775 960 4344 ______________________________________________ http://www.rustyrobot.com independent on-line music distribution, the music you can't find elsewhere, contemporary classical, eclectic, world... ______________________________________________ http://www.robat.scl.net/html/tibet/tibet.shtm an exciting project on technology applied to mobile education for developing countries and remote locations... ______________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 15 13:26:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10771; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:24:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:24:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:26:13 +0100 Subject: Re: fretless looping guitars From: roberto To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 3/15/01 5:23 PM, Paolo Valladolid at phv40@hotmail.com wrote: > I have a Fernandes Native Pro Fretless, which comes standard with Sustainer. > I have found that the Sustainer takes a little longer to activate the top > E string (a .009) than the other strings. > > To be honest, it's been sitting in its case ever since I took up the viola. > Otherwise, by now I would have replaced the strings with a set of .011s and > kept bugging Fernandes and Fretlessguitar.com about the promised glass > fingerboard add-on option. > > Paolo I have never tried a glass fingerboard, does it give a colder, sharper sound? I quite like the wooden sound of the hardwood fingerboard. As for the strings I believe thicker ones should give more "body" to the sound. Roberto ______________________________________________ Roberto Battista http://www.robat.scl.net http://www.robat.scl.net/lectures/index.shtm Tel. 0044 020 8449 1995 Mobile 0775 960 4344 ______________________________________________ http://www.rustyrobot.com independent on-line music distribution, the music you can't find elsewhere, contemporary classical, eclectic, world... ______________________________________________ http://www.robat.scl.net/html/tibet/tibet.shtm an exciting project on technology applied to mobile education for developing countries and remote locations... ______________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 15 13:31:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11235; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:29:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:29:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AB10A2C.BF050564@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:32:58 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: fretless looping guitars References: <3.0.5.32.20010315005930.007dfa60@pop.ici.net> <3AB07113.39A8F5A9@pseudobuddha.com> <3AB14F55.152F51A2@vtx.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Claude Voit wrote: > Bobdog wrote: > > > > > Any other fretless looper out there? > > > > > However, if you'd like to hear some heavy-duty fret removal in > > > action, > > > check out to hear list members BobDog > > > and > > > James Sidlo in action. > > > > wow; unsolicited hype. thanky tim. in pseudo buddha we have fretless > > looping from me & occasionally from quinn. but our looping tends to be > > more in the ethereal vein than in the rigid time based layering of > > counterpoint & such. i'm not good enough to pull that off. > > > > claude voit is. > > wow; unsolicited hype. thanky Bobdog > > > but he has frets. am i rambling? > > frets yes but I not rigid > > Claude agreed claude = anti-rigid+frets lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 15 13:53:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11774; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:51:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:51:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004201c0ad80$ba8a0340$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: fretless looping guitars Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:49:49 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "roberto" put forth: > Something to be considered is that, in order to obtain a decent sound with > some "body" you need thicker strings - I have tried various combinations and > am now using some electric bass and some metal wound mid-gauge guitar > strings. This results in a lower tone and different tuning, it also requires > strengthening the bridge and saddle as the strings' pull is stronger and > could easily rip the bridge off (or simply not keep the intonation). > There is plenty of room for experiments! Wouldn't it be of advantage then to have a harder fingerboard surface? Glass might for sure be very hard, but wouldn't it resonate in a much different manner than good ol' wood? Secondly, one would probably get a kind of fretless bass sound out of the lower strings, wouldn't one? Just a few thoughts. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 15 14:40:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13384; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:37:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:37:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: fretless looping guitars To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Curtis P Seiss" Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:15:53 -0500 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on inetmail1/TWP(Release 5.0.6a |January 17, 2001) at 03/15/2001 02:14:03 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks for the advice roberto... i'll make an attempt to remove the frets and give an update on my progress. i have a few ideas of how i could gingerly get under them, maybe from the bottom edge, slightly from behind to get them started..?? >>>Wouldn't it be of advantage then to have a harder fingerboard surface? Glass might for sure be very hard, but wouldn't it resonate in a much different manner than good ol' wood? for sure. some folks like the rigidity and alleged additional sustain of glass fingerboards, but in my humble opinion nothing is comparable to wood. secondly the timber of a stringed instrument doesnt entirely depend on the fiberboard and the strings... amplification, playing technique and over-all construct of the instrument often times dictate what the general tone will be to a greater degree... but, this probably isnt news to anyone. do you fretless string players have a preference on playing style? i.e. arpeggio based as opposed to hammering? id be interested to hear what the majority of string playing loopers are doing... "Stephen P. Goodman" on 03/15/2001 01:49:49 PM Please respond to "Stephen P. Goodman" To: cc: Subject: Re: fretless looping guitars "roberto" put forth: > Something to be considered is that, in order to obtain a decent sound with > some "body" you need thicker strings - I have tried various combinations and > am now using some electric bass and some metal wound mid-gauge guitar > strings. This results in a lower tone and different tuning, it also requires > strengthening the bridge and saddle as the strings' pull is stronger and > could easily rip the bridge off (or simply not keep the intonation). > There is plenty of room for experiments! Wouldn't it be of advantage then to have a harder fingerboard surface? Glass might for sure be very hard, but wouldn't it resonate in a much different manner than good ol' wood? Secondly, one would probably get a kind of fretless bass sound out of the lower strings, wouldn't one? Just a few thoughts. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 15 15:07:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14260; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:01:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:01:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New Looper? CTech ChopShop Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:00:16 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Mar 2001 20:00:16.0601 (UTC) FILETIME=[8E02BC90:01C0AD8A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I haven't heard mention of this product before! Has anyone ever seen one/tried one? It doesn't look like much, but they advertise 32 seconds of digital record, looks like no overdub, but a playback speed choice of 1/3 1/2 or 2/3 speed. http://www.pocketrockit.com/products_cs.html Wondering if its even worth checking out? bye- jon _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 15 16:01:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15844; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:00:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:00:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:58:44 EST Subject: Re: fretless looping guitars To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_bf.c6d2b94.27e28704_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_bf.c6d2b94.27e28704_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/15/01 11:59:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, seisscp@washpost.com writes: > , i would > enjoy being exposed to anyone's music who would care sending along their > curt.....try www.loopxchange.com for a whole bunch-o-music from the folks at the CT-COLLECTIVE, all members of LOOPERS DELIGHT.....enjoy.....michael --part1_bf.c6d2b94.27e28704_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/15/01 11:59:24 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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the CT-COLLECTIVE, all members of LOOPERS DELIGHT.....enjoy.....michael --part1_bf.c6d2b94.27e28704_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 15 16:07:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16047; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:05:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:05:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AB12E61.C5B34A55@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:04:38 -0500 From: steve Reply-To: studio_t@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: fretless looping guitars References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com fretless guitar is cool although I suspect it will grab some and not others, when I play bass I use a fretless and so many years ago I figured fretless guitar would be cool and made one, oddly enough as much as I think fretless is IT for the majority of bass work, fretless guitar *for me* turned out to be a specialty thing and I rarely use, I've had it for about 15 years but really haven't picked it up in quite awhile, maybe I'll pull it out and give it another chance. filling the frets w/ a paste is not recommended, it will not provide good continuity to the neck which will not be the best for tone or neck life and filling w/ wood strips is easier and looks cooler anyway, if you have an instrument you want to defret; (please don't try this unless your somewhat confident you are capable or don't mind destroying a neck) - email me off list if you want a deeper explanation slack the truss rod pull the frets carefully(if you chip up the fretboard your work will suffer) preheat the frets(solder irnon will do) use a fret pulling tool from stewmac or face ground endnippers, start at one side and slowly work across clean fretslots(if you don't have pro tools an exacto knife and nail file will suffice) get some wood veneer that pretty closely matches the fret gap cut lengths of it to match neck width and with an exacto knife shape the bittom to your fingerboard radius put glue in the slot(wood glue) push the wood pieces in(should be a reasonably tight fit) use 2 strips of wood glued to a backing as clamping cauls to hold the fret ends in place while the glue dries, very little pressure is needed, never put a clamp directly on the back of your neck always use a pad or something, you can work in sections or if you do good prep and work quick you can do it all at once after it dries it will be a bit of a mess, not to fear sand the neck down, good bracing of the neck from below is imortant, it must be evenly supported, you can get a neck sanding tool from stew mac or you can make one by getting a good condition level and glueing sandpaper(contact cement) to it, you'll want to start w/ 80-100 to get the high spts down and quickly go to lighter grits finish the fingerboard w/ a good oil or if your game poly recut the nut lower if you are uptight about this any gtr tech who has converted a bass before can do this easily and it should be about the same cost as a fretjob peace steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 15 16:24:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16355; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:22:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:22:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003601c0ad93$d2f5dd60$e60d1a3f@oemcomputer> From: "become_1" To: References: Subject: Re: fretless looping guitars Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:05:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Mar 2001 21:21:15.0785 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE4F5F90:01C0AD95] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com my 2 centesimi for this thread: the godin glissentar i ordered long ago just arrived on monday (thanks jon) and i'm having much fun with it--i like the fact that, as well as being fretless, it sounds quite different from a guitar (though not quite like an oud, either) . I'm also finding it easier to adapt to the lack of frets than i thought (and i love the feel of sliding around the flat ebony fingerboard)--at present, alas, my glissentar playing still sounds a lot like my guitar playing only with more erratic intonation, but it seems to become "natural" fairly quickly. Definitely an instrument worth checking out, i think it's priced reasonably too. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 15 17:51:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18551; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:49:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:49:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:51:30 +0100 Subject: Re: fretless looping guitars From: roberto To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 3/15/01 8:15 PM, Curtis P Seiss at seisscp@washpost.com wrote: > > thanks for the advice roberto... i'll make an attempt to remove the > frets and give an update on my progress. i have a few ideas of how i could > gingerly get under them, maybe from the bottom edge, slightly from behind > to get them started..?? See the message sent by Steve, his advice sounds much more accurate than mine! > > > do you fretless string players have a preference on playing style? i.e. > arpeggio based as opposed to hammering? id be interested to hear what the > majority of string playing loopers are doing... Personally I very much enjoy using a technique that derives from instruments like the oud, with "slanted" melodies, playing both with plectrum and fingers. Also, particularly for the looped background atmospheres, I use an e-bow and much tone-shifting both "by hand" and with the Zoom effects. I suppose there can be as many styles as there are players. For a completely different example you could listen to Antonio Forcione's work. He uses a guitar that he designed himself, very much like a Spanish Flamenco guitar (but fretless) with an extra set of eight open strings for drones. A real virtuoso performance, in a firey gipsy style. His music can be found at www.ejn.it/antonioforcione or through the UK based distribution Kunst. > Roberto > > > > > "Stephen P. Goodman" on 03/15/2001 01:49:49 PM > > Please respond to "Stephen P. Goodman" > > To: > cc: > > Subject: Re: fretless looping guitars > > > "roberto" put forth: >> Something to be considered is that, in order to obtain a decent sound > with >> some "body" you need thicker strings - I have tried various combinations > and >> am now using some electric bass and some metal wound mid-gauge guitar >> strings. This results in a lower tone and different tuning, it also > requires >> strengthening the bridge and saddle as the strings' pull is stronger and >> could easily rip the bridge off (or simply not keep the intonation). >> There is plenty of room for experiments! > > Wouldn't it be of advantage then to have a harder fingerboard surface? > Glass might for sure be very hard, but wouldn't it resonate in a much > different manner than good ol' wood? Secondly, one would probably get a > kind of fretless bass sound out of the lower strings, wouldn't one? Just a > few thoughts. > > Stephen Goodman > http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons & Illustrations > http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! > http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ Roberto Battista http://www.robat.scl.net http://www.robat.scl.net/lectures/index.shtm Tel. 0044 020 8449 1995 Mobile 0775 960 4344 ______________________________________________ http://www.rustyrobot.com independent on-line music distribution, the music you can't find elsewhere, contemporary classical, eclectic, world... ______________________________________________ http://www.robat.scl.net/html/tibet/tibet.shtm an exciting project on technology applied to mobile education for developing countries and remote locations... ______________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 15 17:52:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18558; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:50:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:50:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:51:30 +0100 Subject: Re: fretless looping guitars From: roberto To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003601c0ad93$d2f5dd60$e60d1a3f@oemcomputer> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 3/15/01 10:05 PM, become_1 at become_1@email.msn.com wrote: > my 2 centesimi for this thread: > the godin glissentar i ordered long ago just arrived on monday (thanks jon) > and i'm having much fun with it--i like the fact that, as well as being > fretless, it sounds quite different from a guitar (though not quite like an > oud, either) . I'm also finding it easier to adapt to the lack of frets > than i thought (and i love the feel of sliding around the flat ebony > fingerboard)--at present, alas, my glissentar playing still sounds a lot > like my guitar playing only with more erratic intonation, but it seems to > become "natural" fairly quickly. > Definitely an instrument worth checking out, i think it's priced reasonably > too. > > I couldn't find any reference to the glissentar in the Godin web site. Could you let us know where to look for it? (and how much des it cost?) Thank you Roberto ______________________________________________ Roberto Battista http://www.robat.scl.net http://www.robat.scl.net/lectures/index.shtm Tel. 0044 020 8449 1995 Mobile 0775 960 4344 ______________________________________________ http://www.rustyrobot.com independent on-line music distribution, the music you can't find elsewhere, contemporary classical, eclectic, world... ______________________________________________ http://www.robat.scl.net/html/tibet/tibet.shtm an exciting project on technology applied to mobile education for developing countries and remote locations... ______________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 15 17:56:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18817; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:54:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:54:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004601c0ada2$aeb3cca0$9b9c4e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: "Stephen P. Goodman" , Subject: Re: fretless looping guitars Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:52:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stephen wrote: >Wouldn't it be of advantage then to have a harder fingerboard surface? >Glass might for sure be very hard, but wouldn't it resonate in a much >different manner than good ol' wood? Secondly, one would probably get a >kind of fretless bass sound out of the lower strings, wouldn't one? Just a >few thoughts. The sarod is a fretless lute from Northern India which incorporates a steel plate along the neck to increase its resonance. The playing technique involves stopping the strings with the fingertips for individual notes, as well as gliding the fingernail over the string along the metal plate for the typical Indian "meend" (smooth, multiple-note glissando). The late virtuoso sarod master Pandit Vasant Rai used to perform on what he called the "sur-guitar" which was simply a very inexpensive classical guitar with the frets removed and a steel plate similar to that of the sarod installed on the neck. He tuned the 6 strings openly (very much like sarod or sitar) and it sounded wonderful. He was able to execute all the graces and nuances of Indian classical music on this instrument, with a very rich and warm tone. There are recordings of 2 pieces using this modified guitar on the fusion albums that he'd recorded on the Vanguard label in the 70s and early 80s. I don't know whether these have made it to the digital realm. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 15 18:11:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19681; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:09:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:09:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@fixme User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:08:40 -0800 Subject: Gig Spam [Seattle, WA]: Electrochakra 3/17-18 From: Tiktok To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Two chances to hear Electrochakra this weekend: *************************** Sonarchy (KCMU 90.3 FM Seattle) In-studio performance Saturday, March 17th, 11PM PST RealAudio broadcast available at www.kcmu.org http://www.jackstraw.org/studio/sonarchy/ *************************** Sunday, March 18th, 9PM Lava Lounge 2226 Second Avenue *************************** Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett Electrochakra -- MP3's and calendar of upcoming shows available at: www.mp3.com/electrochakra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 15 18:12:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19750; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:11:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:11:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:01:29 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: fretless looping guitars In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:51 PM +0100 3/15/01, roberto wrote: >I couldn't find any reference to the glissentar in the Godin web site. Could >you let us know where to look for it? http://www.godinguitars.com/godinglissentarp.htm Here's a little hint: Use a search engine. I entered "glissentar" into Google and got 35 hits. The search itself took 0.04 seconds. My typing took a little longer. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 15 19:03:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20688; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:51:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:51:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <836AEDC9D836D211B4720001FA7EC2D202A79424@ntemail1-tr.ius.indiana.edu> From: "LEE, THANIEL I" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: hi Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:47:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi, my name is thaniel im from the louisville ky area, i do mostly noise/drone/IDM oreinted music. ive worked with kenan lawler, and others. -thaniel ion lee From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 15 19:23:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21593; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:21:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:21:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <836AEDC9D836D211B4720001FA7EC2D202A79425@ntemail1-tr.ius.indiana.edu> From: "LEE, THANIEL I" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: disc Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:19:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com has anyone here ever heard of a powerbook quartet called DISC, im looking for a recording of them- thaniel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 15 19:34:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21921; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:33:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:33:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.253.195.194] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: disc Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:31:32 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Mar 2001 00:31:32.0630 (UTC) FILETIME=[7347AB60:01C0ADB0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes. It's a project started by the guy behind Lesser, but now has members of Matmos and Kid 606. The idea is that they're supposed to be a CD skipping group more than a powerbook group. That's where most of their sounds come from. I have 2 of their CD's. They're on the Vinyl Communications label. Check out http://www.vinylcomm.com They're under "artists", but the link was invisible on my browser. Try using http://www.lsr1.com/vc/artist/disc.html Matt >From: "LEE, THANIEL I" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" > >Subject: disc >Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:19:13 -0500 > >has anyone here ever heard of a powerbook quartet called DISC, im looking >for a recording of them- thaniel > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 15 20:05:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22934; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:02:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:02:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c0adb2$9191a880$66effea9@oemcomputer> From: "become_1" To: References: Subject: OT: Hendrix revisited Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:46:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Mar 2001 01:01:21.0450 (UTC) FILETIME=[9D7FF0A0:01C0ADB4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com re the hendrix and retro phenoms: here's some pretty depressing hype about a very ordinary guitar: http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/www.rockstarsguitars.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 15 20:07:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23016; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:05:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:05:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003e01c0adb2$eea441e0$66effea9@oemcomputer> From: "become_1" To: References: Subject: Re: fretless looping guitars Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:49:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Mar 2001 01:03:57.0693 (UTC) FILETIME=[FAA0BAD0:01C0ADB4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I couldn't find any reference to the glissentar in the Godin web site. Could > you let us know where to look for it? (and how much des it cost?) Richard gave you the site; I paid 545 plus a case. Please don't tell me if you hear about it cheaper..... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 15 20:11:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23271; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:10:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:10:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e501c0adb5$cce7c100$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <002f01c0adb2$9191a880$66effea9@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Hendrix revisited Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 01:09:46 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jeez, Beware Your Road Manager, folks! :| ----- Original Message ----- From: "become_1" To: Sent: 16 March 2001 00:46 AM Subject: OT: Hendrix revisited > re the hendrix and retro phenoms: here's some pretty depressing hype about > a very ordinary guitar: > http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/www.rockstarsguitars.com/ > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 16 00:41:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29142; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:40:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:40:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000501c0addc$29131260$84936fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <002f01c0adb2$9191a880$66effea9@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Hendrix revisited Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 05:44:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What made me laugh was somebody paid 202 dollars for Cozy Powell's USED bass drum heads! My God what a mad, mad world! Gareth > re the hendrix and retro phenoms: here's some pretty depressing hype about > a very ordinary guitar: > http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/www.rockstarsguitars.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 16 01:10:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA29906; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 01:09:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 01:09:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01c0ade0$4da03b40$84936fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20010315005930.007dfa60@pop.ici.net> Subject: Re: fretless looping guitars Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 06:13:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just caught this stuff - Quite beautiful. I am mightily impressed. If the rest of you haven't visited I thoroughly recommend a visit. Respect, as they say is due, to Bobdog & Co. Gareth > > However, if you'd like to hear some heavy-duty fret removal in action, > check out to hear list members BobDog and > James Sidlo in action. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 16 05:23:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA01459; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 05:19:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 05:19:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005d01c0ae03$27eaad40$4d624442@austin.rr.com> From: "Jimmy George" To: References: Subject: a message to TIKTOK from austin texas ... Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 04:23:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005A_01C0ADD0.DD0D19C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <3LvH9C.A.jW.5hes6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C0ADD0.DD0D19C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: MD Issues contd.are you from austin? i saw you on amn the other = night and really enjoyed your fripesq compositions. very cool. i live = here in austin and perform often. i do a 'looping extravaganza show' = where i loop my vocals and guitar through a rang. it's pretty neat. i = will be playing at ruta maya this sunday during sxsw from noon to 2pm. = it is a free show case. if you can, come by and say hi.=20 peace jimmy george http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tiktok=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 10:17 AM Subject: Re: MD Issues contd. Oh, I don't know about that. I believe MD's only hold 140MB of data, = which would translate to about fourteen minutes of CD-quality stereo = soun, so there's no way it was going to be the threat to CD sales that = CD-R's and mp3 later became. I think it's more likely that MD was = conceived as a replacement for cassettes with most of the features = people enjoyed from CDs rather than a compression scheme was added in to = keep the RIAA out of the poorhouse. =20 I do remember a story that the initial length of CDs was based upon = what it would take to fit Beethoven's Ninth Symphony [sometimes regarded = as the greatest piece of music ever] on one disk. TH From: Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:50:35 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight-d@loopers-delight.com Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #152 Isn't it possible that the same old "they'll steal from us!" credo = was put into effect, such that perhaps if the unit was capable of only = recording 68 minutes, but had CD-quality sound, it wouldn't be allowed into the = US (according to all-too-familiar RIAA scare tactics used in the past = on every other recording medium introduced since the Compact Cassette)? = Perhaps Sony blanched and actually believed their paranoid rantings, not thinking = that anyone in the US would jump to their defence. ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C0ADD0.DD0D19C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: MD Issues contd.
are you from austin? i saw you on amn = the other=20 night and really enjoyed your fripesq compositions. very cool. i live = here in=20 austin and perform often. i do a 'looping extravaganza show' where i = loop my=20 vocals and guitar through a rang. it's pretty neat. i will be playing at = ruta=20 maya this sunday during sxsw from noon to 2pm. it is a free show case. = if you=20 can, come by and say hi.
 
peace
jimmy george
http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tiktok=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delig= ht.com=20
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 = 10:17=20 AM
Subject: Re: MD Issues = contd.

Oh, I don't know about that.  I believe MD's only = hold=20 140MB of data, which would translate to about fourteen minutes of = CD-quality=20 stereo soun, so there's no way it was going to be the threat to CD = sales that=20 CD-R's and mp3 later became.    I think it's more = likely that=20 MD was conceived as a replacement for cassettes with most of the = features=20 people enjoyed from CDs rather than a compression scheme was added in = to keep=20 the RIAA out of the poorhouse.  

I do remember a story = that the=20 initial length of CDs was based upon what it would take to fit = Beethoven's=20 Ninth Symphony [sometimes regarded as the greatest piece of music = ever] on one=20 disk.

TH

From:=20 Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com
Reply-To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Thu, 15 Mar = 2001=20 10:50:35 -0500
To:=20 Loopers-Delight-d@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #152

Isn't it = possible=20 that the same old "they'll steal from us!" credo was put
into = effect,=20 such that perhaps if the unit was capable of only recording = 68
minutes,=20 but had CD-quality sound, it wouldn't be allowed into the=20 US
(according to all-too-familiar RIAA scare tactics used in = the past=20 on every
other recording medium introduced since the Compact = Cassette)?=20  Perhaps Sony
blanched and actually believed their paranoid=20 rantings, not thinking that
       anyone in the US = would jump=20 to their defence.
 ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C0ADD0.DD0D19C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 16 06:01:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA02242; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 06:00:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 06:00:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Andy Ewen To: Loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: New Looper? CTech ChopShop Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 04:54:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Looks like a fantastic tool for learning songs. There's been a few units released over the years that you can use to slow down music without changing pitch, but this one seems to do loads more. If this is what you need, it's worth checking out. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Wagner [mailto:jondrums@hotmail.com] > Sent: 15 March 2001 20:00 > To: Loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: New Looper? CTech ChopShop > > > I haven't heard mention of this product before! Has anyone ever seen > one/tried one? It doesn't look like much, but they advertise > 32 seconds of > digital record, looks like no overdub, but a playback speed > choice of 1/3 > 1/2 or 2/3 speed. > > http://www.pocketrockit.com/products_cs.html > > Wondering if its even worth checking out? > bye- > jon > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 16 09:26:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA06062; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:19:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:19:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <72.8afd775.27e37aa0@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:18:08 EST Subject: Re: fretless To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > what would be the 'correct' way to go about removing the frets...? if you don't have the correct tool the freboard will rip. or file down the frets to just leave the tang, this stops the possible problem of the neck shape going peculiar when ripping the frets out changes the tensions also consider painting fingerboard with epoxy paint (like Pastorius) to stop it wearing away ...andy butler (who wrecked his Fender Jazz once) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 16 09:26:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA06063; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:19:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:19:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <7b.11a0875d.27e37a9d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:18:05 EST Subject: Re: FW: UK echoplex To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, andy.ewen@trace-elliot.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id JAA06032 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > 499 > is not unreasonable as an estimate of how much they will be. I'd like to > have more details of this review if possible, as we are not aware of one = > and the UK 'plex review was in the Sept 2000 edition of 'Guitar' magazine. reviewed by Rory Lane who gave a fairly comprehensive list of features he said it was not cheap, but worth the expense at Ģ499 sound quality 'distinctly' better than JamMan and DL4 manual a bit cryptic 'all a seasoned looper might miss is a half speed option' 'anyone into serious looping needs one' not my opinions, just quoting .....andy butler(waiting) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 16 09:59:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA06891; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:53:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:53:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <13.12d07bff.27e38275@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:51:33 EST Subject: OT: Re: fretless looping guitars: glissentar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com become_1@email.msn.com writes: >Definitely an instrument worth checking out, i think it's priced reasonably >too. .....except for the fact that it's nearly useless w/o changing to a higher gear-ratio tuner (the supplied tuners slip like crazy) & non-compensated bridge (hard to play chords in tune, esp. at the bottom of the neck) !!! also: ya may wanna swap the upper nylon strings for slightly heavier-gauge silk+steel: seems like they'd 'speak' better, & make for a more consistent tone across the instrument. my 2 cents..... best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 16 10:18:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07574; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:04:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:04:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Andy Ewen To: SoundFNR@aol.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: FW: UK echoplex Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 08:59:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id KAA07541 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for that. I'm trying to locate that issue in the mountain of music mags we have piled up all over the office. If anyone fancies scanning it for me and e-mailing it over I'd be very grateful. > -----Original Message----- > From: SoundFNR@aol.com [mailto:SoundFNR@aol.com] > Sent: 16 March 2001 14:18 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com; andy.ewen@trace-elliot.com > Subject: Re: FW: UK echoplex > > > > 499 > > is not unreasonable as an estimate of how much they will > be. I'd like to > > have more details of this review if possible, as we are > not aware of one = > > and > the UK 'plex review was in the Sept 2000 edition > of 'Guitar' magazine. > reviewed by Rory Lane > who gave a fairly comprehensive list of features > he said it was not cheap, but worth the expense at Ģ499 > sound quality 'distinctly' better than JamMan and DL4 > manual a bit cryptic > 'all a seasoned looper might miss is a half speed option' > > 'anyone into serious looping needs one' > > > not my opinions, just quoting .....andy butler(waiting) > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 16 10:19:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10572; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:14:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:14:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Aug 1956 14:58:04 -0400 From: steve Reply-To: studio_t@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: fretless References: <72.8afd775.27e37aa0@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8GpevC.A.2QC.d2is6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com taking the frets all the way down to fingerboard will not work well unless your going to put a bed of epoxy or something over it, the metal frets and the wood will not sand at the same rate and you can't get a smooth even surface your point about the neck going out of shape is correct tho, the fret slots do need to be filled w/ something solid to maintain the continuity of the neck, it also effects the tone peace, steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 16 10:27:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12762; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:22:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:22:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:14:29 -0500 Subject: re fretless guitars... From: mr monk To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i also play the fretless guitar. mine was built by Rick Turner and is a fretless nylon string thin body acoustic. you can see the fretted version at rickturnerguitars.com. his guitars are amazing! ric hordinski monkmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 16 10:50:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18975; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:44:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:44:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F496B@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: tgif gig spam Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:42:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0AE2F.C298E5B0" Resent-Message-ID: <70XrZ.A.mlE.8Rjs6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0AE2F.C298E5B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" hello loopers, Just to let you know I will be playing a solo electric guitar show at Bear's Place tonight Friday 3/16 at 10 pm in Bloomington,IN.. Solo electric guitar involves regular guitar and guitar loops done on the fly.All the material is improvised on the spot and the style is best described as rock/film soundtrack type of music. Similar to tangerine dream/pink floyd but all done with guitar. Check it out if your in town $3 cover.or you can just send me the three bucks as an apology for nbot being there 8-) Thanks Denis Denis Taaffe dtaaffe@indiana.edu http://www.dtguitar.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0AE2F.C298E5B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Re: MD Issues contd.
 

 hello loopers,

Just to let you know I will be playing a solo electric guitar show at

Bear's Place tonight Friday 3/16 at 10 pm in Bloomington,IN.. Solo electric guitar involves

regular guitar and guitar loops done on the fly.All the material is

improvised on the spot and the style is best described as rock/film

soundtrack type of music. Similar to tangerine dream/pink floyd but all

done with guitar. Check it out if your in town $3 cover.or you can just send me the three bucks as an apology for nbot being there 8-)

Thanks

Denis

Denis Taaffe

dtaaffe@indiana.edu

http://www.dtguitar.com

------_=_NextPart_001_01C0AE2F.C298E5B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 16 11:23:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21699; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:15:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:15:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005401c0ae34$89c81ee0$5c2cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <004601c0ada2$aeb3cca0$9b9c4e0c@u73x0> Subject: Re: fretless looping guitars Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:16:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Believe it or not, there's actually a fretless festival in France (maybe organised by some European Alliteration Society...) Anyway, I'm playing there, and it's next month, in Mende. http://www.laguitare.com/fretless_mende.html is, I think, the official website about the festival, and there's also some info on my website, though I'm not sure that the band list is 100% accurate on my site... lots of looping in my set, for sure... Steve web-site - www.steve-lawson.co.uk e-mail - steve@steve-lawson.co.uk mailing list - steve-lawson-subscribe@listbot.com "Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight, You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight" - Bruce Cockburn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 16 11:24:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21768; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:18:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:18:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <2b.1271e1de.27e39680@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:17:04 EST Subject: Re: tgif gig spam To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_2b.1271e1de.27e39680_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_2b.1271e1de.27e39680_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/16/01 10:43:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, dtaaffe@indiana.edu writes: > Check it out if your in town $3 cover.or you can just send me the three > bucks as an apology for nbot being there 8-) dennis.....if i were there i would come with several people, should i send you $12 guilt money.....:)....nice article by the way on sweep picking.....michael --part1_2b.1271e1de.27e39680_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/16/01 10:43:27 AM Eastern Standard Time,
dtaaffe@indiana.edu writes:


Check it out if your in town $3 cover.or you can just send me the three
bucks as an apology for nbot being there 8-)
dennis.....if i were there i would come with several people, should i send
you $12 guilt money.....:)....nice article by the way on sweep
picking.....michael --part1_2b.1271e1de.27e39680_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 16 11:26:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22103; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:20:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:20:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005c01c0ae35$0ccc7700$5c2cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Subject: Loop Real Audio Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:20:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've just added a loop-tastic chunk of Real Audio to my website, taken from my gig/clinic at the LA Bass Exchange back in January, if you'd like to have a listen... ...if you wouldn't like to have a listen, it's still there, but you obviously won't be taking advantage of the opportunities inherent within its presence... Steve web-site - www.steve-lawson.co.uk e-mail - steve@steve-lawson.co.uk mailing list - steve-lawson-subscribe@listbot.com "Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight, You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight" - Bruce Cockburn. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 16 11:34:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22747; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:28:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:28:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c0ae33$dd4f49e0$3e0c1a3f@oemcomputer> From: "become_1" To: References: <13.12d07bff.27e38275@aol.com> Subject: Re: Re: fretless looping guitars: glissentar Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:10:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Mar 2001 16:26:59.0623 (UTC) FILETIME=[ECD49B70:01C0AE35] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > .....except for the fact that it's nearly useless w/o changing to a higher > gear-ratio tuner (the supplied tuners slip like crazy) & non-compensated > bridge (hard to play chords in tune, esp. at the bottom of the neck) !!! haven't yet noticed any slippage on mine, and at present chords are well beyond my limited fretless capabilities! > also: > ya may wanna swap the upper nylon strings for slightly heavier-gauge > silk+steel: > seems like they'd 'speak' better, & make for a more consistent tone across > the instrument. this i'd been wondering about, as it seems even less consistent than usually the case with nylon/wound mixes. do you have a more specific suggestion re guage/strings? godin only sells one set. is that also a problem with the electric oud? > my 2 cents..... and then you're always asked for more.... thanks for suggestions, bruce comens From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 16 12:18:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26326; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:11:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:11:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F496B@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> References: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F496B@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 08:58:27 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: tgif gig spam Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1227360583==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1227360583==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Check it out if your in town $3 cover.or you can just send me the >three bucks as an apology for nbot being there 8-) > > >Denis Taaffe LOL. this reminds me of the stunt homer simpson pulled with his new found autodialer message machine..."send $1 to 'happy dude' and you can be as happy as me!" rich --============_-1227360583==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: tgif gig spam
Check it out if your in town $3 cover.or you can just send me the three bucks as an apology for nbot being there 8-)


Denis Taaffe

LOL.  this reminds me of the stunt homer simpson pulled with his new found autodialer message machine..."send $1 to 'happy dude' and you can be as happy as me!"

rich
--============_-1227360583==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 16 12:34:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27458; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:32:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:32:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4971@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: tgif gig spam Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:31:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0AE3E.F1AD3680" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0AE3E.F1AD3680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" hehe, you saw that lesson, yeah it's very nice that they ran it, they will have audio examples on their website in a few days of the examples in the lesson, they had a symbol character that didn't quite print correcrtly so it ind of made a mess of the tab, but they are fixing that on the website. Well next month's won't have these errors. Thanks for noticing the lesson. I charged my mom $3.00 for not going to see me play.oh yeah its onlien at http://www.musicianshotline.com (page 42). Shameless plug. thanks Denis Denis Taaffe dtaaffe@indiana.edu http://www.dtguitar.com -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 11:17 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: tgif gig spam In a message dated 3/16/01 10:43:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, dtaaffe@indiana.edu writes: Check it out if your in town $3 cover.or you can just send me the three bucks as an apology for nbot being there 8-) dennis.....if i were there i would come with several people, should i send you $12 guilt money.....:)....nice article by the way on sweep picking.....michael ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0AE3E.F1AD3680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
hehe, you saw that lesson, yeah it's very nice that they ran it, they will have audio examples on their website in a few days of the examples in the lesson, they had a symbol character that didn't quite print correcrtly so it ind of made a mess of the tab, but they are fixing that on the website. Well next month's won't have these errors. Thanks for noticing the lesson. I charged my mom $3.00 for not going to see me play.oh yeah its onlien at http://www.musicianshotline.com (page 42). Shameless plug.
 
thanks
Denis
 
Denis Taaffe
-----Original Message-----
From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 11:17 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: tgif gig spam

In a message dated 3/16/01 10:43:27 AM Eastern Standard Time,
dtaaffe@indiana.edu writes:


Check it out if your in town $3 cover.or you can just send me the three
bucks as an apology for nbot being there 8-)


dennis.....if i were there i would come with several people, should i send
you $12 guilt money.....:)....nice article by the way on sweep
picking.....michael
------_=_NextPart_001_01C0AE3E.F1AD3680-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 16 12:48:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28399; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:45:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:45:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007901c0ae40$ca1c34c0$4b0218ac@jnpr.net> From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <13.12d07bff.27e38275@aol.com> Subject: Re: Re: fretless looping guitars: glissentar Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:44:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > .....except for the fact that it's nearly useless w/o changing to a higher > gear-ratio tuner (the supplied tuners slip like crazy) & non-compensated > bridge (hard to play chords in tune, esp. at the bottom of the neck) !!! What's a compensated bridge? bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 16 15:04:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01415; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 15:01:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 15:01:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <138FAF0D3722D311BAD00000F8093163227EC9@hdo-exchange.corporate.southam.ca> From: "Bailey, Jim" To: "'looppost'" Subject: RE: fretless Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 14:57:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com About time for me to chime in, I think. >> what would be the 'correct' way to go about removing the frets...? >>if you don't have the correct tool the freboard will rip. > > or file down the frets to just leave the tang, this stops the > possible problem of the neck shape going peculiar when ripping > the frets out changes the tensions Going back to the start of this thread: I too, like Roberto, have a cheap imitation Fender (though mine is a Tele, despite what the man in the shop said (Strat) - perhaps that's why they were going out of business) from which I removed the frets. That was about twenty years ago now, so I don't remember exactly how it was accomplished, but it probably bordered on the Neanderthal. I filled in the slots with plastic wood. > also consider painting fingerboard with epoxy paint (like > Pastorius) to > stop it wearing away I painted mine with Tremclad (r) rust-proof paint. It gave a fairly smooth surface (not that it matters for the kind of stuff I do), and there's not a speck of rust on that neck ;-). The beast can be heard in both fretless and fretful versions on my LP "Dimensions." Jim Bailey From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 16 15:23:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02161; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 15:21:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 15:21:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010316202016.57247.qmail@web9503.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:20:16 -0800 (PST) From: "PreHeatOven Management Inc." Subject: FS or Trade for Warr/Stick To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <005c01c0ae35$0ccc7700$5c2cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Moving Sale: have the following for sale and/or trade for Warr or Stick: <<<<< Custom-made matching fretted & fretless headless 6-string bass guitars: 35" scale 5-pc maple/purpleheart/wenge neck, 2 titanium truss rods w/ graphite supports, ebony fingerboards, zebrawood sides,sapele backs, brass hardware, Lane Poor PJ pickups, Aguilar OMP-1 preamps. 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Designed for use with BagEnd Subwoofer in combination with any high frequency cabs you like. Light use, excellent condition with original manual. Retail List new was $2860. Will sell for $1000 EMAIL ===== tony o www.geocities.com/preheatoven __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 16 15:38:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02610; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 15:36:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 15:36:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 15:37:13 -0500 From: Andrew Pask Subject: RE: fretless To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <138FAF0D3722D311BAD00000F8093163227EC9@hdo-exchange.corporate.southam.ca> Message-ID: <20010316153714-r01010600-3194c567@64.134.55.155> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.1.6 (Bluto) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 3/16/01 at 2:57 PM, JBailey@corporate.southam.ca (Bailey, Jim) wrote: > > also consider painting fingerboard with epoxy paint (like > > Pastorius) to > > stop it wearing away > > I painted mine with Tremclad (r) rust-proof paint. It gave a fairly smooth > surface (not that it matters for the kind of stuff I do), and there's not a > speck of rust on that neck ;-). Yipes. I have a luthier friend who swears that when it comes to filling in holes in fretboards the only way to go is by making up a powder of ebony or whatever wood you're using (sawdust or sanding dust), mixed with a little bit of baking soda (bicarbonate of soda) put all this in the hole and then squirt some superglue into it. Go nuts kids. This also works pretty well at fixing cracked clarinets. Cheers A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 16 16:22:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04517; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:20:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:20:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AB28346.E5CDAAC2@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:19:04 -0500 From: steve Reply-To: studio_t@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: fretless References: <20010316153714-r01010600-3194c567@64.134.55.155> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2msssB.A.DGB.GNos6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com he's right that is a good technique for cracks and such but a fret slot is rather large and given 21-24 of them it's to much of the neck to fill like that, of course anything will work but I think filling w/ solid matl is the best way peace t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 16 17:41:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07094; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:40:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:40:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: fretless, gratitude- recommended loop box? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Curtis P Seiss" Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:23:49 -0500 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on inetmail1/TWP(Release 5.0.6a |January 17, 2001) at 03/16/2001 05:21:57 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well, i must say i couldnt be happier with the responses to my question.... (how the &$&%$&% do you remove frets correctly?) if any of you have any additional tidbit-- ANYTHING at all to contribute to this thread, please feel free (off list if you so desire) -- most of you seem to think it wouldnt be a huge deal, albiet risky --so, after stewing on it for a few days, i think i'll attack the project. i have a plan, and i'll let you guys know when i get the frets off. the only point of serious contention i am at odds with is the technique for filing the the newly "formed" gaps in the neck. if you guys are split down the middle on this issue, (glue/sawdust mixture or solid wood 'slivers'), then i'll have to use my own judgement....but i'll decide after i how the fret removal went. thanks again, and also thanks to all of you who sent me your music. you sure know how to make a fellow looper feel welcome! again, i have a question for the list at large... ive been getting more and more into the idea that "less is more" and specifically i am referring to the set-up of my project studio. im almost overwhelmed by gear, and im starting to feel like its complexity is detracting and distracting from well, creativity. i use a few phrase samplers, boss stomp boxes ect... but is there one piece that can handle the job of the several that i use? ive done exhaustive internet searches, and not come-up with much. i need something to layer on the fly with as well as have a few pre-programmed drones available. someone mentioned the akai looper (i believe it was a stomp box) but would any of you care to recommend your gear of choice? sorry this is long winded. loop on, -curt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 16 17:58:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07490; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:56:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:56:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.165.24.157] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: fretless, gratitude- recommended loop box? Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 22:55:04 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Mar 2001 22:55:04.0984 (UTC) FILETIME=[23FCB980:01C0AE6C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ....about a single looper/fx box: I would recommend the Line6 DL4. It is a good and simple looper with great sound quality....plus you get 15 other modeled digital/analog and tape delays. Very cool. I use one of those along with a Line6 DM4 Modulation modeler which has chorus, flange, phaser, trem and vibrato and leslie models. Those two units replaced a whole slew of stomp boxes for my "live" pedalboard. Max >>starting to feel like its complexity is detracting and distracting from >well, creativity. i use a few phrase samplers, boss stomp boxes ect... >but is there one piece that can handle the job of the several that i use? >ive done exhaustive internet searches, and not come-up with much. i need >something to layer on the fly with as well as have a few pre-programmed >drones available. someone mentioned the akai looper (i believe it was a >stomp box) but would any of you care to recommend your gear of choice? > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 16 21:16:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14727; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:13:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:13:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <836AEDC9D836D211B4720001FA7EC2D202A79427@ntemail1-tr.ius.indiana.edu> From: "LEE, THANIEL I" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: sound manipulation Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:12:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com is anyone here into noise/sound manipulation artist. ive been getting in to noise people, and sound artist. post-techno people, drum and bass, and extreme noise artist. is anyone else into that kinda stuff-thaniel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 16 21:21:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15033; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:20:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:20:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <27.12741bd5.27e423b1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:19:29 EST Subject: Re: fretless, gratitude- recommended loop box? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_27.12741bd5.27e423b1_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_27.12741bd5.27e423b1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/16/01 5:39:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, seisscp@washpost.com writes: > would any of you care to recommend your gear of choice? > curt.....go to the www.loopersdelight.com and read "tools of the trade", this will give you a very good insight into whats out there.....ill tell you to use a rang, dennis will tell you kama is the thing, kim will say EDP, larry will say DL4, betty will say the headrush, casper will say repeater......:).....there are a lot of choices and they all do different stuff.....buy what you can afford, sell nothing, save for more stuff.....its all fun and educational.....michael --part1_27.12741bd5.27e423b1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/16/01 5:39:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,
seisscp@washpost.com writes:


would any of you care to recommend your gear of choice?


curt.....go to the www.loopersdelight.com and read "tools of the trade", this
will give you a very good insight into whats out there.....ill tell you to
use a rang, dennis will tell you kama is the thing, kim will say EDP, larry
will say DL4, betty will say the headrush, casper will say
repeater......:).....there are a lot of choices and they all do different
stuff.....buy what you can afford, sell nothing, save for more stuff.....its
all fun and educational.....michael --part1_27.12741bd5.27e423b1_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 16 21:54:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15728; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:52:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:52:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AB2D15B.889834A9@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:52:12 -0500 From: steve Reply-To: studio_t@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: fretless, gratitude- recommended loop box? References: <27.12741bd5.27e423b1@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I agree, don't simplify buy more gear it all does something fun From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 16 23:32:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19003; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 23:30:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 23:30:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 20:20:38 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: sound manipulation In-reply-to: <836AEDC9D836D211B4720001FA7EC2D202A79427@ntemail1-tr.ius.indiana.edu> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: <836AEDC9D836D211B4720001FA7EC2D202A79427@ntemail1-tr.ius.indiana.edu> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:12 PM -0500 3/16/01, LEE, THANIEL I wrote: >is anyone here into noise/sound manipulation artist. ive been getting in to >noise people, and sound artist. post-techno people, drum and bass, and >extreme noise artist. is anyone else into that kinda stuff-thaniel Yes, though I'm more interested in old-school musique concrete, stochastic music, sound mass, and environmental soundscapes. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 16 23:50:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19360; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 23:49:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 23:49:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c0ae9c$c996ac40$e3a2fad8@user> From: "pigmonkey" To: References: <836AEDC9D836D211B4720001FA7EC2D202A79427@ntemail1-tr.ius.indiana.edu> Subject: Re: sound manipulation Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 22:43:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm with you, check me out at www.mp3.com/Datura1zero, I like Lustmord, Dead voices on air, all the way back to Tangerine Dream, Whitehouse anyone?...........mc ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Zvonar To: Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 10:20 PM Subject: Re: sound manipulation > At 9:12 PM -0500 3/16/01, LEE, THANIEL I wrote: > >is anyone here into noise/sound manipulation artist. ive been getting in to > >noise people, and sound artist. post-techno people, drum and bass, and > >extreme noise artist. is anyone else into that kinda stuff-thaniel > > Yes, though I'm more interested in old-school musique concrete, > stochastic music, sound mass, and environmental soundscapes. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com > (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com > (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com > > http://www.zvonar.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 17 00:01:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20731; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 23:59:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 23:59:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010317045856.25283.qmail@web1501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 20:58:56 -0800 (PST) From: d mendenhall Subject: Re: sound manipulation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <-r0wcD.A.m2E.W8us6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com here is one of your kind... make my own stuff that may interest you as well drop me a line, lets talk... dakota --- Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 9:12 PM -0500 3/16/01, LEE, THANIEL I wrote: > >is anyone here into noise/sound manipulation > artist. ive been getting in to > >noise people, and sound artist. post-techno people, > drum and bass, and > >extreme noise artist. is anyone else into that > kinda stuff-thaniel > > Yes, though I'm more interested in old-school > musique concrete, > stochastic music, sound mass, and environmental > soundscapes. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com > (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com > (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com > > http://www.zvonar.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 17 00:20:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA21019; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 00:18:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 00:18:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:12:19 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: sound manipulation In-reply-to: <001501c0ae9c$c996ac40$e3a2fad8@user> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: <836AEDC9D836D211B4720001FA7EC2D202A79427@ntemail1-tr.ius.indiana.edu> <001501c0ae9c$c996ac40$e3a2fad8@user> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:43 PM -0600 3/16/01, pigmonkey wrote: >I'm with you, check me out at www.mp3.com/Datura1zero, I like Lustmord, Dead >voices on air, all the way back to Tangerine Dream, Whitehouse >anyone?...........mc I was thinking more along the lines of Iannis Xenakis, Luigi Nono, John Cage/David Tudor, Pierre Schaefer, Pierre Henry, Krzysztof Penderecki, etc. I have a streaming station on Live365.com under the name of "RZ and Friends - Electroacoustic Music." From time to time some of my own music comes up. At the moment "Massif" for many layers of bass noise if playing. You might also be able to catch that piece on "L.A. Web Radio," also on Live365. Some of my work with Eventide Harmonizers can be heard on the Cosmic Debris pieces at mp3.com, and there are some mp3 previews of another incarnation of that group (including a couple of cuts with me on guitar) at Finally, if you can manage to have a listen to a 1984 vinyl record titled "Diamanda Galas" on Metalanguage, you can hear two pieces I helped create. In particular check out Panoptikon, which has some very nasty vocal loops. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 17 00:32:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA21229; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 00:30:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 00:30:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:18:35 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: sound manipulation In-reply-to: <001501c0ae9c$c996ac40$e3a2fad8@user> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: <836AEDC9D836D211B4720001FA7EC2D202A79427@ntemail1-tr.ius.indiana.edu> <001501c0ae9c$c996ac40$e3a2fad8@user> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:43 PM -0600 3/16/01, pigmonkey wrote: >I'm with you, check me out at www.mp3.com/Datura1zero Good stuff. Akin to some of the stuff our group got into on occasion when the actor was offstage. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 17 08:12:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01658; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 08:10:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 08:10:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 08:09:24 -0500 Subject: Re: Introducing myself to list -- recommended loop box? From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm totally sympathetic to your desire for simplicity -- why not get one piece of looping gear (rang, EDP, Line 6, whatever you decide) and use a CD player or minidisc to play your drones into the looper when you need them? I'm setting up a live performance system now, and am using the following gear: a Yamaha KX5 remote keyboard with breath controller input controlling 2 VL70 physical modelling synths; a small evolution keyboard controlling a Korg NX5R (all synth boxes are half rack spaces, happily); a Korg Kaos Pad; an EDP (which just arrived yesterday and replaced my boomerang -- I'm really excited about getting into it, it seems so superior to the rang); a small mixer; a microphone. Even this seems like too much stuff to lug around -- I would love to simplify even more but this seems like what I need to play the music I want to play. I also use a Roland U-220, which has a killer mbira sample. It's a big old unit and I go back and forth about bringing it to gigs -- I've been trying to get that one sound from my NX5 but it's impossible, the mbira sound is really magic, and I regretfully think I need to bring it along. I love playing and singing music but I hate carrying and setting up gear! I guess this is by way of introducing myself to the list -- I discovered this site a few weeks ago during my internet shopping for my EDP and have been enjoying it a lot. I'm a NYC based composer and performer. I've spent the last couple of years really getting into programming my breath-controlled VL70s; the Kaos pad has added a wonderful new dimension to that ( and to vocals, too). I've performed around town (Knitting Factory, Guggenheim Museum, etc) with various incarnations of a small group, and always came away from the shows feeling somewhat frustrated, like I hadn't done what I really meant to do. I've been very inspired by loopers delight stuff, because I feel what I really want to do is spontaneous compositions -- and I think the EDP will allow me to do that. I'm about to go into a period of intense learning of the EDP and seeing what I can do with it-- will be playing at the Knit again in late May, probably with just a percussionist (and possibly a Cuban santero friend of mine, too . ..) Anyhow, greetings to all, and thanks for your interesting posts . . . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 17 09:41:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04734; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 09:39:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 09:39:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cave@pop1.osk.3web.ne.jp X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1-J Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 23:38:32 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: LOOP WANTED! (Re: about next "Looper's Delight J") Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <_G0-uB.A.zJB.0b3s6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Loopers, I made a Looper's Delight J info page. http://www.cavestudio.com/LD_J/2001/ Please give your loop for our loopy live gig. LOOP WANTED! Our next Loopy live gig, Looper's Delight J is 11th May 2001 at Kobe Japan. We are inviting suggestions for materials / textures for this live gig by mp3 file. Looper's Delight J will live streaming by Real System for world wide, You can listen your contributed loops or mixture some contributed loops by Japanese loop artists. Contribute your Loops! We accept upload your loops via FTP. Please connect to : HOST www.cavestudio.co.uk LOGIN looper PASSWORD heaven Note: This account is upload/download only. It can not delete files and make new folders. Requested to send in loops not later than 30th April 2001. And after,this site will be download only. Looper's Delight J is affected a maling list Looper's Delight. Our last Looper's Delight J reports is below. http://www.cavestudio.com/LD_J (sorry,music streaming is not available,still maintenance now..) Regards Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 17 09:48:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05167; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 09:47:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 09:47:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 09:46:00 EST Subject: Looping in 4th Grade To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 23 Resent-Message-ID: <21CALC.A.cQB.fj3s6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com howdy peeps, i am a 4th grade teacher and we are doing a unit on sound. i took my mackie mixer, small fender amp,a mic and rack w/ my jamman and boy did my science classes have fun. we recorded people talking and then guessed whether it was english or gibberish when played backwards. lots of fun. i did this for my evaluation with my principal and she was very impressed. looping in the classroom, who'da thought? =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 17 10:03:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06562; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 10:01:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 10:01:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003801c0aef2$f03074c0$149b4e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: fretless, gratitude- recommended loop box? Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 09:59:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Curtis wrote: >(how the &$&%$&% do you remove frets correctly?) if any of you have any >additional tidbit-- ANYTHING at all to contribute to this thread, please >feel free Here's a good website for luthiers/stringed instrument repair: www.frets.com (what else?) there's an article on removing/replacing frets, but nothing really on doing the "fretless" conversion http://www.frets.com/FRETSPages/Luthier/Technique/Guitar/Frets/00045BarFrets /00045barfrets1.html Good luck! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 17 12:30:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11390; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 12:26:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 12:26:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 09:25:05 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: recommended loop box? In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:09 AM -0500 3/17/01, Steve Sandberg wrote: >I'm totally sympathetic to your desire for simplicity -- why not get one >piece of looping gear (rang, EDP, Line 6, whatever you decide) and use a CD >player or minidisc to play your drones into the looper when you need them? I occasionally use a CD player, cassette deck, and TASCAM Porta-One to feed a pair of Eventide Harmonizers. The Porta-One is a 4-track cassette deck/mixer that plays and records normal cassettes at normal speed (higher-end portastudios are usually double speed). This feature allows me to play a regular cassette, and if it happens to have material recorded on both sides then I can have two forward tracks and two backwards tracks. I sometimes use loop cassettes as well. Cheap and effective. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 17 13:14:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13558; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 13:12:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 13:12:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sound manipulation Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 10:10:54 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Mar 2001 18:10:54.0449 (UTC) FILETIME=[9B7D4E10:01C0AF0D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I'm not really into drum and bass, or merzbow type noise music, but most of my work is some kind of sound manipulation, and my style would fit in with some of the artists you mentioned. Sorry I can't write more right now, It's been hard getting 5 minutes on the computer this week. Matt Davignon http://mattdavignon.iuma.com >From: "LEE, THANIEL I" > >is anyone here into noise/sound manipulation artist. ive been getting in to >noise people, and sound artist. post-techno people, drum and bass, and >extreme noise artist. is anyone else into that kinda stuff-thaniel > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 17 13:29:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13999; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 13:27:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 13:27:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 13:28:25 -0500 Subject: newbie: why is my loop decaying? From: Tommy Kochel To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm new to all of this, having received my EDP a few weeks ago. When I first used the unit, any loop I'd Recorded maintained it's volume indefinitely (at least, that's my recollection). Lately, after I Record a loop, the loop decreases slightly in volume after each pass. Yes, I've read the manual - many times and in different directions. But maybe I'm missing something. Can one of you more experienced folks point me in the direction of a solution? Thanks, Tommy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 17 13:36:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14326; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 13:33:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 13:33:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 10:39:23 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Introducing myself to list -- recommended loop box? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I'm setting up a live performance system now, and am using the following >gear: a Yamaha KX5 remote keyboard with breath controller input controlling >2 VL70 physical modelling synths; Hi Steve, welcome to the list! Your live setup is pretty interesting to me, I'm a big fan of the VL70M myself. I've recently put together a live system, had the first performance with it a few weeks ago (and if I get time, I'l post mp3's of the show later today). I control the VL and a Nord Micromodular with a Nord Lead, a Kruzweill ExpressionMate ribbon controller and a Peavey PC-1600 midi fader box. The VL is a fascinating instrument, really excels at timbres that sound vaguely acoustic, vaguely alien, but behave like acoustic instruments. I find it's almost impossible to send it too many controllers, I've made patches that use keys, ribbon, breath, footpedals and sliders all affecting the tone, makes playing music feel like juggling! Haven't really programmed any patches for it from the ground up (the software editor is pretty daunting, as well as the amount of acoustic theory needed to really program it) but have edited a number of the factory patches to accept more controllers, and have used Matt Black's Patchman patches for it as well. It's a pretty deep synth, I've had mine for about 3 years and feel like I'm barely scratching the surface with it. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org New & Improv Media http://www.newandimprov.com Now available: Admiral Twinkle Devil: Wabi Dub ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 17 13:42:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14627; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 13:40:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 13:40:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 10:46:26 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Looping in 4th Grade Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >howdy peeps, > i am a 4th grade teacher and we are doing a unit on sound. i >took my mackie mixer, small fender amp,a mic and rack w/ my jamman and boy >did my science classes have fun. we recorded people talking and then guessed >whether it was english or gibberish when played backwards. lots of fun. i did >this for my evaluation with my principal and she was very impressed. looping >in the classroom, who'da thought? > =-) PJ What an extraordinarily cool story! Who knows waht kind of influence you're having on those kids! One pivotal moment for me was in 6th grade when our music teacher, who played keyboards in bands as well as teaching, brought his new Minimoog to show the class one day. This was when ELP's "Lucky Man" was a hit, and I remember being totally into Emerson's synth solo at the end. Getting a hands-on demo of a synth at that impressionable of an age is part of what set me on the course of being a musician. Which, maybe in the long run, wasn't such a great idea.... ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org New & Improv Media http://www.newandimprov.com Now available: Admiral Twinkle Devil: Wabi Dub ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 17 13:45:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14794; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 13:44:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 13:44:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 13:43:40 -0500 From: Jonathan Sterne Subject: SF Acid query In-reply-to: X-Sender: jsterne@imap.pitt.edu To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010317133942.00c6a150@imap.pitt.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All, I'm new to this list as well. I'm mainly interested in people working with Sonic Foundry Acid, and I'm wondering if anyone here knows of an SF Acid usergroup online. I've found a few things in the archive for this list, but not a whole lot. This looks like a really cool group. About me: I'm a big Eno & Fripp fan from back when, but am now interested in computer-aided composition. I've played bass for over 20 years and have been messing around with looping as an effect since my first digital delay. Best, --Jonathan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 17 14:23:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16695; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 14:21:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 14:21:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 14:14:59 -0500 To: "Art List" From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Jazz with Strings!! (Catgut and Pixels) 3.22.01, Cambridge, MA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, Its my pleasure and privilege to be joined by five outstanding string improvisers, for a special Video Jazz performance at the Zeitgeist Gallery on Thursday March 22. 8:15 PM Jonathan LaMaster violin Derek van Beaver bass 9:00 PM Katt Hernandez violin Teresa Marrin Nakra violin Jane Wang, bass and percussion I'll be video mixing (and trying to keep up with these fine players) all evening. The Zeitgeist is at the corner of Broadway and Norfolk in Central Square, Cambridge, Mass, 617-876-2182 Suggested donation, $6. Hope to see you there. -- "Once the search is in progress, something will be found" -- Brian Eno and Peter Schmidt Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 17 14:44:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17157; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 14:43:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 14:43:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 14:42:49 -0500 Subject: Re: sound manipulation From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <836AEDC9D836D211B4720001FA7EC2D202A79427@ntemail1-tr.ius.indiana.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Guess I should also chime in here to toot my horn (hmm, how very acoustic of me) to say this is the sort of stuff I've produced since 1987. Take a look at the site if you wish. Thanks. David Lee Myers http://www.pulsewidth.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Ourobouros" CD of new Feedback Music available now on Pulsewidth! In NYC at Downtown Music, Kim's Mondo, and Other Music, and through Forced Exposure, Anomalous, Wayside, Electronic Music Foundation, Recommended, and Staalplaat. on 3/16/01 9:12 PM, LEE, THANIEL I at TLEE@IUSMail.IUS.Indiana.EDU wrote: > is anyone here into noise/sound manipulation artist. ive been getting in to > noise people, and sound artist. post-techno people, drum and bass, and > extreme noise artist. is anyone else into that kinda stuff-thaniel > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 17 15:17:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19164; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 15:16:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 15:16:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010317201554.11994.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 12:15:54 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Subject: Re: Introducing myself to list -- recommended loop box? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Dave Trenkel wrote: > I control the VL and a Nord > Micromodular with a Nord Lead, a Kruzweill > ExpressionMate ribbon controller > and a Peavey PC-1600 midi fader box. hmmmm VL1, micromodular, xpressionmate, pc1600 - looks like part of my rig! > I find it's almost > impossible to send it > too many controllers, I've made patches that use > keys, ribbon, breath, > footpedals and sliders all affecting the tone, I've not (yet!) done much patch programming on the VL either given its complexity...I just bought SoundDiver, but am having trouble with its VL1 editor. What parameters do you target on the VL for additional control? Care to share your controller enhanced tweaked patches (he asks selfishly :-) btw there are some breath-controlled nord modular patches on windsynth.org stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 17 16:08:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21376; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 16:06:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 16:06:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 21:07:04 +0100 Subject: Re: fretless looping guitars From: roberto To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-PIGZD.A.SNF.4F9s6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 16/3/01 12:01 AM, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote: > At 10:51 PM +0100 3/15/01, roberto wrote: > >> I couldn't find any reference to the glissentar in the Godin web site. Could >> you let us know where to look for it? > > http://www.godinguitars.com/godinglissentarp.htm > > > > Here's a little hint: Use a search engine. > > I entered "glissentar" into Google and got 35 hits. The search itself > took 0.04 seconds. My typing took a little longer. Thanks Richard. Actually, had I know the name (glissentar) I could have easily used a search engine, but I didn't before the become_1 message... Roberto ______________________________________________ Roberto Battista http://www.robat.scl.net http://www.robat.scl.net/lectures/index.shtm Tel. 0044 020 8449 1995 Mobile 0775 960 4344 ______________________________________________ http://www.rustyrobot.com independent on-line music distribution, the music you can't find elsewhere, contemporary classical, eclectic, world... ______________________________________________ http://www.robat.scl.net/html/tibet/tibet.shtm an exciting project on technology applied to mobile education for developing countries and remote locations... ______________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 17 18:05:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25363; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 18:03:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 18:03:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.165.24.75] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How can you play in the correct speed if you don't hear the drums first? Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 23:02:33 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Mar 2001 23:02:34.0145 (UTC) FILETIME=[5A1F0110:01C0AF36] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com this was that LD post, Rick......I would love to use this technique with some of my students. Please fill me in. MAx Another good thing to do is to learn how to play behind the beat or ahead of the beat with total impunity. This is a longer discussion and if you or anyone else wants to hear it, I'll be happy to post a very cool trick I invented for teaching a rank beginner how to do this against a metronomic track. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 17 19:05:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27465; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 19:04:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 19:04:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c0af3e$17afbc40$e0a2fad8@user> From: "pigmonkey" To: References: Subject: Humble Question Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 17:57:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <8vBSdD.A.4sG.Ot_s6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm new here, Fascinating info. One Humble question you all seem to use a thing called an EDP, let me in on the secret, what is this? thanks.................mc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 17 19:36:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28061; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 19:34:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 19:34:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 19:34:20 -0500 Subject: Re: Humble Question From: Doug Miller To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001501c0af3e$17afbc40$e0a2fad8@user> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oberhiem (or now Gibson) _E_choplex _D_igital _P_ro an awsome looper! http://www.gibson.com/products/strings/echoplex/ _________________________________ Doug Miller Graphic Designer / Illustrator http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller http://www.dispatch.com http://www.cccn.org > I'm new here, Fascinating info. One Humble question you all seem to use a > thing called an EDP, let me in on the secret, what is this? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 17 20:03:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30421; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 20:02:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 20:02:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.122.180] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Devious D_MasterMixer" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SF Acid query Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 01:01:26 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Mar 2001 01:01:26.0625 (UTC) FILETIME=[F5691510:01C0AF46] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

Ah, yes.. SF Acid usergroup... sounds like a winner ! See my review on Sonic Foundry Acid here http://www.sharbor.com/products/SFOI0250010.html . I thought of this, so I have placed a Message board here : http://pub55.ezboard.com/bdjmixandremixing for inquiries on ACID, Cool Edit Pro, Loop devices (mainly the ZOOM ST-224, and Boss SP-202), and Mixman, and Technics 1200 turntables, and Turntablism ! Check me out. I am the man, when it comes to software reviews, and what's HOT out there for would-be producers.

Dj Devious D !



 

Hi All,
I'm new to this list as well. I'm mainly interested in people working with
Sonic Foundry Acid, and I'm wondering if anyone here knows of an SF Acid
usergroup online. I've found a few things in the archive for this list,
but not a whole lot.
This looks like a really cool group. About me: I'm a big Eno & Fripp fan
from back when, but am now interested in computer-aided composition. I've
played bass for over 20 years and have been messing around with looping as
an effect since my first digital delay.
Best,
--Jonathan

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 17 20:07:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30644; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 20:05:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 20:05:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 17:03:06 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: newbie: why is my loop decaying? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 1. make sure you have the feedback knob turned all the way up to 100%. Same if you have a footpedal in the feedback jack. 2. check that the Loop/Delay parameter is still set to "Loop". In delay mode the loop will very slightly decay unless you "hold" it. 3. if you are in Loop mode and leave overdub on all the time, it can have a very slight decay as well if you have enough sound coming in for the echoplex to think you are adding something to the loop. kim >I'm new to all of this, having received my EDP a few weeks ago. When I >first used the unit, any loop I'd Recorded maintained it's volume >indefinitely (at least, that's my recollection). > >Lately, after I Record a loop, the loop decreases slightly in volume after >each pass. Yes, I've read the manual - many times and in different >directions. But maybe I'm missing something. > >Can one of you more experienced folks point me in the direction of a >solution? > >Thanks, >Tommy ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 18 00:02:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA06335; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 00:00:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 00:00:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 23:58:46 EST Subject: oh happy day!.....OT gigspam To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c4.114cc9c3.27e59a86_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_c4.114cc9c3.27e59a86_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit well.....i got 2 followup gigs from my ST.VALLINTINES DAY MASSACARE GIG.....same time same station, 4-11 and 4-25....."ders a sucka born every minute!" tour continues.....:).....so my daugther says to me "dad, you really got to play some tunes! you were talking too much the last time", all in my effort to not be playing from a tent, i had a long cable and i walked to a few tables and talked to people while the mighty loops kept on going.....others gave me much better reviews.....i love it, money for schleppin, unless you have a #1 son to be your roadie (sp?).....let the stock market crash, let us all be bush puppets, lets continue to be unemployed and actually pay some bills with music, holy-molly, life is ok.....stay tuned, im sure ill have questions.....had to share the good news!.....michael --part1_c4.114cc9c3.27e59a86_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit well.....i got 2 followup gigs from my ST.VALLINTINES DAY MASSACARE
GIG.....same time same station, 4-11 and 4-25....."ders a sucka born every
minute!" tour continues.....:).....so my daugther says to me "dad, you really
got to play some tunes! you were talking too much the last time", all in my
effort to not be playing from a tent, i had a long cable and i walked to a
few tables and talked to people while the mighty loops kept on
going.....others gave me much better reviews.....i love it, money for
schleppin, unless you have a #1 son to be your roadie (sp?).....let the stock
market crash, let us all be bush puppets, lets continue to be unemployed and
actually pay some bills with music, holy-molly, life is ok.....stay tuned, im
sure ill have questions.....had to share the good news!.....michael --part1_c4.114cc9c3.27e59a86_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 18 00:48:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA07033; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 00:46:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 00:46:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 23:46:29 -0600 Subject: Re: unsubscribe From: Steve Dorrell To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9Plx4C.A.ntB.2uEt6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com please unsubscribe me. steve dorrell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 18 02:59:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA11496; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 02:57:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 02:57:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c0af80$0ecc0420$64b4a8c0@mindspring.com> From: "phalen orion" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Signal Routing Modeling Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 23:50:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd like to be able to use my computer to model different configurations of all my equipment (where things are in the signal chain, etc. Does anyone know of a program that will allow me to do so? All I need to model are the ins & outs, not the actual effect of having the piece of equipment in the path.... something like Visio for mixers :) Best, Jonathan aka phalen180 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 18 04:02:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA14454; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 04:00:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 04:00:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 03:58:56 EST Subject: Re: Fretless To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: <8h6Ub.A.QgD.ZjHt6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > taking the frets all the way down to fingerboard will not work well unless > your going to put a bed of epoxy or something over it, the metal frets and > the wood will not sand at the same rate and you can't get a smooth even > surface > Hi Steve the final smoothing is done with a sharpening stone (a flat one) leaving you a very smooth neck (I used to get the stone out about once every 6 months when I was gigging bass), it worked fine then, (it works fine now) So you can get away without the epoxy.(but if I'd known that's what J Pastorius used I'd have done it) I found the worst problem was with the pearl inlay. Even if you refill the fret gaps you still potentially change the tension in the fingerboard. >the fret slots do need to be filled w/ something solid to >maintain the continuity of the neck, it also effects the tone yes,I reset the intonation of the bass to get the sharper sound from playing over the tang, (meant anyone who tried my bass played flat) In the eighties there was a popular practice of lightly sanding by hand to let the frets stand slightly proud, giving a brighter sound with an attractive buzz on vibrato. Some people even had brass tangs put in to get this effect. ..andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 18 04:07:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA14810; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 04:05:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 04:05:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010318090454.618.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 01:04:54 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: New boxes from Pefftronics? To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just received an equipment buyer's guide from Keyboard Magazine and it contains two rack mount devices from Pefftronics. One is called the "RAD-X Random Analogue Delay" & the other is "RTSP II Random Time Shift Processor". Unfortunately, the Pefftronics website is down & the buyer's guide doesn't give much info. I figure that one or both are variations of the "Rand-O-Matic" pedal. Can anyone provide more info? Also......the buyer's guide shows a MSRP of $279 (or thereabouts) for the Repeater. That ought to make the folks at Electrix happy! ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 18 07:05:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA20431; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 07:02:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 07:02:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AB52266.59761246@vtx.ch> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 13:02:30 -0800 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Signal Routing Modeling References: <000901c0af80$0ecc0420$64b4a8c0@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com phalen orion wrote: > > I'd like to be able to use my computer to model different configurations of > all my equipment (where things are in the signal chain, etc. > > Does anyone know of a program that will allow me to do so? All I need to > model are the ins & outs, not the actual effect of having the piece of > equipment in the path.... something like Visio for mixers :) > > Best, > Jonathan > aka phalen180 Jonathan you can download the winblade application from www.soundsculpture.com its the GUI of the famous switchblade but you can use it without the hardware not the best for your purpose but its free you'll also need an utility to make screen dumps if you want the graphs to be printed or exported Claude PS: beware of the "GAS" resulting the try of the switchblade aplication From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 18 07:45:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA21114; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 07:44:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 07:44:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006701c0afa9$6ff2f0a0$b689e3a5@looppool> From: "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" To: References: <200103180502.AAA06396@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re How can you play in the correct speed if you don't hear the drums first Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 04:46:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <0pT6SC.A.xJF.21Kt6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear L-D, "in response to this post: Another good thing to do is to learn how to play behind the beat or ahead of the beat with total impunity. This is a longer discussion and if you or anyone else wants to hear it, I'll be happy to post a very cool trick I invented for teaching a rank beginner how to do this against a metronomic track." I've had a few requests for this and I apologize for the delay. I've been in the middle of PC hell for two weeks and have ended up replacing my motherboard, processor,CD drive, floppy drive and hard drive (after a '@%&ing Maxtor 20 gig took a dump on me after less than a year) and am now ensconced in a very time consuming production gig. I made the fatal mistake of trusting the hard drive and didn't make a backup. I lost the last 6 months of work and I'm heartbroken. My computer guru, Si Moorehead (a saint, if ever there was one) says that it always happens only once to convince one to back up EVERYTHING!!!! Please let my newbie mistake be an inspiration to back your stuff up. I'll be back, I promise, but I've got to get some restful stress reduction first. To keep teasing you, Max, I've also stumbled on a very hip way to teach oneself how to play different 'moles' (mo-lay) or 'feels' that one encounters in different ethnic rhythmic culture. In essence, the 'mole', is the way 4 16th notes or 3 triplet eighth notes are stretched to produce, say, Rio style Brazilian Batucada music (street marching samba) or Bedouin triplet feels from the Maghreb. Hint: it involves using loops in a sound editor!!! See ya soon, yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 18 08:07:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA22498; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 08:06:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 08:06:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 08:06:32 -0500 Subject: Yamaha VL-70 From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Steve, welcome to the list! Your live setup is pretty interesting to me, I'm a big fan of the VL70M myself. == Yeh, the VL70 is very interesting. What I did is, got those Patchman patches for it and then spent a long long time editing from the buttons on the front panel. I agree, the software editor is pretty daunting - I only went in there once to do something very specific -- but you can do a lot with the front panel stuff to make it much more musical. I never tried too many other controllers -- just a breath controller and pitch bend wheel, which you can do a lot with. I usually have the pitch bend wheel controlling many parameters -- sometimes absorption and damping, for example, as well as pitch -- which makes it very musical. Also, I use the modulation wheel to control the depth of the effects, which is easy to program from the box, too. I'll probably be changing that, though, since I got the Kaos pad and am using that. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 18 11:00:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26563; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 10:56:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 10:56:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: XtReMeSkAtEbDr@aol.com Message-ID: <31.11f54d9d.27e63434@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 10:54:28 EST Subject: unsubscribe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_31.11f54d9d.27e63434_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 129 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_31.11f54d9d.27e63434_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit please unsubscribe me --part1_31.11f54d9d.27e63434_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yg02.mx.aol.com (rly-yg02.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.2]) by air-yg02.mail.aol.com (v77_r1.21) with ESMTP; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 00:46:35 -0500 Received: from hemlock.violacea.com (hemlock.superb.net [207.228.238.9]) by rly-yg02.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.35) with ESMTP; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 00:46:32 1900 Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA07024; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 00:46:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 00:46:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 23:46:29 -0600 Subject: Re: unsubscribe From: Steve Dorrell To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9Plx4C.A.ntB.2uEt6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) please unsubscribe me. steve dorrell --part1_31.11f54d9d.27e63434_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 18 11:28:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28271; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:26:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:26:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <097101c0afc8$7e783120$a0ad5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: Looping in 4th Grade Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:28:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey PJ, Your kids probably assigned you some serious cool points for letting them make noise in class... on purpose! Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox -----Original Message----- From: PJBMHB@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Saturday, March 17, 2001 9:49 AM Subject: Looping in 4th Grade >howdy peeps, > i am a 4th grade teacher and we are doing a unit on sound. i >took my mackie mixer, small fender amp,a mic and rack w/ my jamman and boy >did my science classes have fun. we recorded people talking and then guessed >whether it was english or gibberish when played backwards. lots of fun. i did >this for my evaluation with my principal and she was very impressed. looping >in the classroom, who'da thought? > =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 18 11:32:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28609; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:31:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:31:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <099601c0afc9$253cc200$a0ad5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: Looping in 4th Grade Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:33:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Dave Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Saturday, March 17, 2001 1:47 PM Subject: Re: Looping in 4th Grade >What an extraordinarily cool story! Who knows waht kind of influence you're >having on those kids! One pivotal moment for me was in 6th grade when our >music teacher, who played keyboards in bands as well as teaching, brought >his new Minimoog to show the class one day. This was when ELP's "Lucky Man" >was a hit, and I remember being totally into Emerson's synth solo at the >end. Getting a hands-on demo of a synth at that impressionable of an age is >part of what set me on the course of being a musician. Which, maybe in the >long run, wasn't such a great idea.... Speaking of minimooog... Some examples of the forthcoming MacBeth monosynth are now available at: http://www.macbethstudiosystems.freeserve.co.uk/ Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 18 11:43:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28927; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:41:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:41:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "J. Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Signal Routing Modeling Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 08:40:11 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <3AB52266.59761246@vtx.ch> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com WARNING: Way OT. If you are using Windows 9x, NT, etc., there's no need for a screen-dump utility. And if you don't have a graphics software package, you can still use the built-in "Paint" to save screen dumps to disk in BMP format only, or you could just print them and not save them. Here's what you do: * For the full screen, just go Shift+PrintScrn. * For the current window, whatever the size, go Alt+PrintScrn. Then switch to your graphics software, or to "Paint," and paste (Ctrl+V). They you can save to JPEG, or GIF, or your format of choice. Javier | -----Original Message----- | From: Claude Voit [mailto:c.voit@vtx.ch] | Sent: Sunday 18 March 2001 1:03 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com | Subject: Re: Signal Routing Modeling | you can download the winblade application from www.soundsculpture.com | its the GUI of the famous switchblade but you can use it without the | hardware | not the best for your purpose but its free | you'll also need an utility to make screen dumps if you want the graphs | to be printed or exported From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 18 13:43:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00349; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 13:41:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 13:41:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 10:38:22 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: New boxes from Pefftronics? In-reply-to: <20010318090454.618.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1227181630==_ma============" References: <20010318090454.618.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1227181630==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 1:04 AM -0800 3/18/01, John Tidwell wrote: >I just received an equipment buyer's guide from >Keyboard Magazine and it contains two rack mount >devices from Pefftronics. > >One is called the "RAD-X Random Analogue Delay" & >the other is "RTSP II Random Time Shift Processor". Don't find those specifically, but here's something: http://www.tonefrenzy.com/pefftronics.htm http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Pefftronics/SB_101_Super_Rand_O_Matic-01.html Pefftronics 2501 North Loop Drive Ames, IA 50010 (800)548-PEFF peff@pefftronics.com -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com --============_-1227181630==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: New boxes from Pefftronics?
At 1:04 AM -0800 3/18/01, John Tidwell wrote:
I just received an equipment buyer's guide from
Keyboard Magazine and it contains two rack mount
devices from Pefftronics.
One is called the "RAD-X Random Analogue Delay" &
the other is "RTSP II Random Time Shift Processor".


Don't find those specifically, but here's something:



http://www.tonefrenzy.com/pefftronics.htm

http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Pefftronics/SB_101_Super_Rand_O_Matic-01.html



Pefftronics
2501 North Loop Drive
Ames, IA 50010
(800)548-PEFF
peff@pefftronics.com
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--============_-1227181630==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 18 13:51:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00656; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 13:49:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 13:49:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AB581DC.C4B202C2@vtx.ch> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 19:49:48 -0800 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE is the mission if you agree to read me Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 1-click next line link mailto:Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 2-delete your signature, etc... make your message blank nothing nada 3-double click (highlight) the sacred word on next line then copy (contr+C ) SACRED WORD--> unsubscribe <--SACRED WORD 4-place cursor in Subject of the message Paste (contr+V) 5-place cursor in Body of the message Paste (contr+V) 6-click send Bye bye Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 18 14:38:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02499; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:35:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:35:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:41:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Yamaha VL-70 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hi Steve, welcome to the list! Your live setup is pretty interesting to me, >I'm a big fan of the VL70M myself. == > >Yeh, the VL70 is very interesting. What I did is, got those Patchman >patches for it and then spent a long long time editing from the buttons on >the front panel. I agree, the software editor is pretty daunting - I only >went in there once to do something very specific -- The one time I tried to build an instrument model in the software editor, I ended up with a pretty brutal noise patch. I use it and like it, but it definitely doesn't sound like a wind instrument (well, maybe a brontosaurus fart). >but you can do a lot >with the front panel stuff to make it much more musical. I never tried too >many other controllers -- just a breath controller and pitch bend wheel, >which you can do a lot with. I usually have the pitch bend wheel >controlling many parameters -- sometimes absorption and damping, for >example, as well as pitch -- which makes it very musical. I do the same thing from the front panel. You can make radically different sounds just by assigning controllers. I've tried things like using the extreme end of the breath controller range to bring in throat and growl parameters. Made a very Evan Parker-ish patch out of the factory soprano sax this way. >Also, I use the >modulation wheel to control the depth of the effects, which is easy to >program from the box, too. I'll probably be changing that, though, since I >got the Kaos pad and am using that. I generally bypass the onboard effects, to me they've always seemed to be the weakest part of the VL70. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org New & Improv Media http://www.newandimprov.com Now available: Admiral Twinkle Devil: Wabi Dub ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 18 14:40:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02740; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:39:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:39:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:45:42 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Introducing myself to list -- recommended loop box? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >--- Dave Trenkel wrote: >> I control the VL and a Nord >> Micromodular with a Nord Lead, a Kruzweill >> ExpressionMate ribbon controller >> and a Peavey PC-1600 midi fader box. > >hmmmm VL1, micromodular, xpressionmate, pc1600 - looks >like part of my rig! It's a pretty amazing combination! >What parameters do you target on the VL for additional >control? Care to share your controller enhanced >tweaked patches (he asks selfishly :-) I could send a couple of patches, but it's not really anything you couldn't do yourself. I have the PC-1600 assigned to consecutive continuos controllers, and just scroll through the parameters in the VL assigning controllers, saving whatever seems interesting. For me, what's the most interesting about this is learning to play the patches once you have them programmed. It's a lot more complex and expressive a synth than most. > >btw there are some breath-controlled nord modular >patches on windsynth.org Yeah, I've got 'em. Someday, I'll get around to posting some of mine. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org New & Improv Media http://www.newandimprov.com Now available: Admiral Twinkle Devil: Wabi Dub ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 18 16:58:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07173; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 16:56:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 16:56:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b601c0aff6$087561e0$bbea0d18@plainfield1.ct.home.com> From: "dryheave" To: Subject: Re: Re[2]: band names Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 16:54:39 -0500 Organization: dry heaves multimedia MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B3_01C0AFCC.1F43CC60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <_pDt6.A.8vB.L8St6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B3_01C0AFCC.1F43CC60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm in a band called the Dry Heaves, and there's a couple others I know = about, but ours is most worthy of the name. Notice I didn't say the best = musicians or something. http://www.dryheaves.com P. Jack ------=_NextPart_000_00B3_01C0AFCC.1F43CC60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm in a band called the Dry = Heaves, and=20 there's a couple others I know about, but ours is most worthy of the = name.=20 Notice I didn't say the best musicians or something.
 
http://www.dryheaves.com
 
 
P.=20 Jack
------=_NextPart_000_00B3_01C0AFCC.1F43CC60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 18 22:49:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19057; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 22:45:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 22:45:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.28.19.20] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: fretless looping guitars Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 22:43:49 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2001 03:43:49.0959 (UTC) FILETIME=[CF4D9D70:01C0B026] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ned Evett, the fretless guitarist behind fretlessguitar.com (which also includes other endorsees such as Reeves Gabrels, Dweezil Zappa, new addition Adrian Belew, etc.), favors glass fingerboards because of their tone. Kind of like using glass slides vs steel slides for slide guitar playing. I too am fine, btw, with the rosewood fingerboard of my Fernandes. It does have some dead spots, though. I guess having a fingerboard made of a harder substance such as glass or steel (as found on Vigier's fretless guitar or my friend Francesco's quarter-fretless Grand Stick) would go a long way towards eliminating the dead spots. Paolo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 18 22:52:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19323; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 22:51:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 22:51:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.28.19.20] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Korg KARMA Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 22:49:46 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2001 03:49:46.0644 (UTC) FILETIME=[A3E76D40:01C0B027] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was looking at this keyboard more as a source material for realtime loop construction. It has a lot of potential for generating new musical phrases on the spot, for loopage, with very little time/effort spent in preprogramming. In that sense it has more improvisational potential than a more normal arpeggiator. I'm certainly not interested in using it as demonstrated in Korg's own online demos, which are examples of more conventional music. Half the fun for me is finding ways to use gear that were not originally intended by the manufacturer. :) Paolo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 18 23:29:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21019; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 23:27:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 23:27:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AB58B12.4D2F3DD3@virtulink.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 23:29:06 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: fretless looping guitars References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Paolo Valladolid wrote: > I too am fine, btw, with the rosewood fingerboard of my Fernandes. It does > have some dead spots, though. I guess having a fingerboard made of a harder > substance such as glass or steel (as found on Vigier's fretless guitar The Viger isn't steel, it's some kind of alloy, like aluminum. They wouldn't tell me what it is. Much lighter than steel, but the guitar weighed a ton and cost much more than the G&L-Freenote guitar. I've got one (G&L/Freenote), check out http://microtones.com I imagine that a glass fingerboard might be nice, Ned told me they aren't fragile, but I have my doubts. Of course, the glass could be something like Corning Ware. But given how necks flex with the weather, I wonder how a glass fingerboard would stay bonded to a wood neck changing with the seasons. The Freenote treatment is some kind of hard plastic. No dead spots - the high .010 doesn't sustain was well as the other strings, but with a bit of volume it does just fine. nada brahma, db -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 19 12:05:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12991; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:02:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:02:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AB63AFA.AB4FA3CE@ernieball.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:59:38 -0800 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: fretless, gratitude- recommended loop box? References: <200103170450.XAA19422@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------09B67BD214C61D2AFFC3F065" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------09B67BD214C61D2AFFC3F065 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stewart Macdonald Guitar Shop Supply (www.stewmac.com) sells special fret pulling pliers. If you check out the site, it's clear that you could grind a pair out of nippers fairly easily. Stew Mac also has books on fretting techniques, which may be helpful. Most of those will deal with the task of installing, leveling, and dressing frets, but they will also tell how to remove them without damaging anything. One trick I've heard is to heat the fret with a soldering iron before you try to pull it out. On our lined fretless basses, we slot them as if they would be fretted, and then fill the slots with thin strips of binding material. You could use binding material, wood strips, or a shell material such as mother of pearl or abalone (difficult, but nice) to fill the slots. Filling the slots with epoxy or wood dust would work, but it tends to look sloppy, especially on a maple neck. I filed the frets off of my second bass. It came out fine and is probably the easiest and safest way to make a fretless, but is doesn't seem that way while you're filing for hours on end. If you do it this way, stop filing as soon as the fret is gone and then use a fingerboard leveling tool to finish. The fret tang has little teeth that grab the sides of the slot, so when you pull a fret out it may make the slot jagged. That's if you're careful. If not, you'll pull up splinters of wood from around the top of the slot. The key is to take your time and be gentle. If you do get splintering, use cyanoacrylate to put the pieces back where they belong. At any rate, if you're going to use a strip of material to fill the slot, you may want to use a gauged-width saw to even out the edges of the slot and to make the bottom of the slot flat instead of curved. This will also give you a slot of a known width, so you can buy (or make) the appropriately sized filler strip. You don't want to have to force the filler strip into the slots. If you do, you may create a backbow in the neck. After a filler strip is in, water-thin cyanoacrylate (super-glue) will wick into the slot when it is applied. After the filler material is installed and the excess is sanded off, you will want to level the fingerboard. To do this, first use the truss rod to dial a relief into the neck, and then use a long, flat sanding tool like those sold in Stew-Mac to sand the fingerboard level. A radius sanding tool will help to put a nice, even radius on the neck. I know I'm starting to sound like an advertisement for Stewart Macdonald, but sometimes having the right tools makes all the difference. After you're done, you can sell the tools to another list member who wants to perform the operation. Or maybe you could organize a group buy. :^) Good luck, -Hans -- Hans Lindauer Engineer, Music Man R&D Ernie Ball, Inc. > well, i must say i couldnt be happier with the responses to my > question.... > (how the &$&%$&% do you remove frets correctly?) if any of you have > any > additional tidbit-- ANYTHING at all to contribute to this thread, > please > feel free (off list if you so desire) -- most of you seem to think it > > wouldnt be a huge deal, albiet risky --so, after stewing on it for a > few > days, i think i'll attack the project. i have a plan, and i'll let > you > guys know when i get the frets off. the only point of serious > contention i > am at odds with is the technique for filing the the newly "formed" > gaps in > the neck. if you guys are split down the middle on this issue, > (glue/sawdust mixture or solid wood 'slivers'), then i'll have to use > my > own judgement....but i'll decide after i how the fret removal went. > thanks again, and also thanks to all of you who sent me your music. > you > sure know how to make a fellow looper feel welcome! > --------------09B67BD214C61D2AFFC3F065 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stewart Macdonald Guitar Shop Supply (www.stewmac.com) sells special fret pulling pliers.  If you check out the site, it's clear that you could grind a pair out of nippers fairly easily.  Stew Mac also has books on fretting techniques, which may be helpful.  Most of those will deal with the task of installing, leveling, and dressing frets, but they will also tell how to remove them without damaging anything.  One trick I've heard is to heat the fret with a soldering iron before you try to pull it out.

On our lined fretless basses, we slot them as if they would be fretted, and then fill the slots with thin strips of binding material.  You could use binding material, wood strips, or a shell material such as mother of pearl or abalone (difficult, but nice) to fill the slots.  Filling the slots with epoxy or wood dust would work, but it tends to look sloppy, especially on a maple neck.

I filed the frets off of my second bass.  It came out fine and is probably the easiest and safest way to make a fretless, but is doesn't seem that way while you're filing for hours on end.  If you do it this way, stop filing as soon as the fret is gone and then use a fingerboard leveling tool to finish.

The fret tang has little teeth that grab the sides of the slot, so when you pull a fret out it may make the slot jagged.  That's if you're careful.  If not, you'll pull up splinters of wood from around the top of the slot.  The key is to take your time and be gentle.  If you do get splintering, use cyanoacrylate to put the pieces back where they belong.

At any rate, if you're going to use a strip of material to fill the slot, you may want to use a gauged-width saw to even out the edges of the slot and to make the bottom of the slot flat instead of curved.  This will also give you a slot of a known width, so you can buy (or make) the appropriately sized filler strip.  You don't want to have to force the filler strip into the slots.  If you do, you may create a backbow in the neck.  After a filler strip is in, water-thin cyanoacrylate (super-glue) will wick into the slot when it is applied.

After the filler material is installed and the excess is sanded off, you will want to level the fingerboard.  To do this, first use the truss rod to dial a relief into the neck, and then use a long, flat sanding tool like those sold in Stew-Mac to sand the fingerboard level.  A radius sanding tool will help to put a nice, even radius on the neck.

I know I'm starting to sound like an advertisement for Stewart Macdonald, but sometimes having the right tools makes all the difference.  After you're done, you can sell the tools to another list member who wants to perform the operation.  Or maybe you could organize a group buy. :^)

Good luck,

-Hans

--
Hans Lindauer
Engineer, Music Man R&D
Ernie Ball, Inc.
 

well, i must say i couldnt be happier with the responses to my question....
(how the &$&%$&%  do you remove frets correctly?)   if any of you have any
additional tidbit--  ANYTHING at all to contribute to this thread, please
feel free (off list if you so desire) --  most of you seem to think it
wouldnt be a huge deal, albiet risky --so, after stewing on it for a few
days, i think i'll attack the project.  i have a plan, and i'll let you
guys know when i get the frets off.  the only point of serious contention i
am at odds with is the technique for filing the the newly "formed" gaps in
the neck.   if you guys are split down the middle on this issue,
(glue/sawdust mixture or solid wood 'slivers'),  then i'll have to use my
own judgement....but i'll decide after i how the fret removal went.
thanks again, and also thanks to all of you who sent me your music.  you
sure know how to make a fellow looper feel welcome!
--------------09B67BD214C61D2AFFC3F065-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 19 12:09:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13132; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:06:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:06:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c0b096$dfd90a60$352078d8@prelayomb> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: Subject: FS300 Footswitch Errors with EDP Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:06:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings-- I got the resistors from Digikey and wired them in, but I still get the same error. Here it is: When controlling the Echoplex Digital Pro from the FS300 footswitch, the multiply switch occasionally also triggers the overdub. Sometimes it does this instead of multiplying. The resistor in question is a 7.87K 1/4W 1% metal film. Is there any hope for this setup or do I need to go back to the EDP footswitch? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 19 12:42:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14162; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:41:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:41:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000f01c0b096$dfd90a60$352078d8@prelayomb> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:38:18 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: FS300 Footswitch Errors with EDP Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com somehow you have too much impedance in that path otherwise. (could be in the wiring, the switch, jack, bad solder joints, etc.) Try lower value resistors until it works. kim >Greetings-- >I got the resistors from Digikey and wired them in, but I still get the same >error. Here it is: >When controlling the Echoplex Digital Pro from the FS300 footswitch, the >multiply switch occasionally also triggers the overdub. Sometimes it does >this instead of multiplying. The resistor in question is a 7.87K 1/4W 1% >metal film. Is there any hope for this setup or do I need to go back to the >EDP footswitch? >Gary ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 19 14:41:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18333; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:39:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:39:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:29:08 -0800 Subject: Repeater Update From: Jamie Drouin To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA18278 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi guys and gals, The following is an update from the President of IVL/Electrix on the progress of Repeater. It will be posted on the site later today, but I wanted you to hear it first. Warning: you may feel physically ill after reading it...I know I did, but do realize that we're dedicated to bringing you the best looping tool possible, and it will have been worth the wait. If you need me I'll be hiding under my desk in a fetal position. Best regards, Jamie Drouin. ******************************* I want to provide you with an up-to-date status report on release of the Repeater product. This has been a difficult project for us. In order to be able to provide you with a revised delivery date that was accurate and achievable, we brought together the entire project team as well as the engineering and project managers for a detailed planning session to: 1. Ensure that all remaining tasks were identified 2. Establish a test plan to ensure no problems after product release 3. Provide a completion date which is realistic. The release date derived from this session was early June. I apologize for the further delay and understand the difficulties this creates for everyone. Please understand that the Repeater is a powerful, fully featured product. A number of new technologies have been developed for Repeater including intelligent loop splicing, beat matching, pitch shifting and time stretching and squeezing. All of these technologies have been completed and are working well. Where we ran into unexpected delays was in the integration of these technologies and achieving seamless operation of the complete system. Hardware has been produced so the risks associated with production startup have been overcome. Other breakthrough products released to the MI market in the past have often encountered similar frustrating delays. When a major leap forward like this is undertaken, the risk of delays increases. We are determined that we will not release Repeater until we are confident that all technical challenges and operating bugs have been fixed. We know Repeater is going to be highly successful ­ we are committed to providing trouble-free operation out of the box. Philip Scott President ******************************* Jamie Drouin Visual Designer for Electrix (a division of IVL Technologies Ltd) 6710 Bertram Place, Victoria, BC, V8M 1Z6 Canada email... jamie@electrixpro.com fax... 250-544-4102 voice... 250-544-4114 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 19 15:10:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20103; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:06:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:06:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010319200410.9082.qmail@web3505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:04:10 -0800 (PST) From: robert deveaux Subject: Re: Repeater Update To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Saddened by the delay, but in my opinion: the REPEATER is far beyond any other looping tool & the price is unbelievably low. Looking forward to the release! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 19 15:23:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20795; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:19:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:19:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:20:57 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Burnett To: Subject: Re: Repeater Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, Jamie Drouin wrote: > The release date derived from this session was early June. I apologize for > the further delay and understand the difficulties this creates for everyone. Best news I've seen for EDP, Boomerang, et al., sales I've seen all month. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Burnett Admin, webslingerZ sburnett@webslingerz.com http://www.webslingerz.com/sburnett From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 19 15:24:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20882; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:22:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:22:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3AB2D15B.889834A9@bellsouth.net> References: <27.12741bd5.27e423b1@aol.com> <3AB2D15B.889834A9@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:08:28 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: fretless, gratitude- recommended loop box? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I agree, don't simplify buy more gear it all does something fun i disagree. telling someone to just buy more gear because it all does something fun, and not to simplify is bogus. cars are fun, should i buy more cars cuz each one has a little different twist to it? sex is fun, should i aquire more of it from a wide variety of sources cuz each provider has it's own unique set of features? just kidding, actually...but there's alot to be said for sticking to what you have and pushing it and knowing it and reacting to it and with it. i've got a decent amount of gear and there's still room to grow musically and personally with the stuff i've got. and my little station wagon gets me from point a to b just fine... and my sex life, well, none of your business... :) seeya, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 19 15:33:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21435; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:31:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:31:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:34:40 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: Repeater Update Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jamie, Damon, Darrell, and other Electrix folks- No need to hide under the desk, my order is still in, and I'm pleased to see the effort to ship a bug-free, stable product. No other company has developed anything as fully featured and desirable to the looping community since the introduction of the EDP, so hang in there. Best- Mark >Hi guys and gals, > > The following is an update from the President of IVL/Electrix on the >progress of Repeater. It will be posted on the site later today, but I >wanted you to hear it first. Warning: you may feel physically ill after >reading it...I know I did, but do realize that we're dedicated to bringing >you the best looping tool possible, and it will have been worth the wait. > > If you need me I'll be hiding under my desk in a fetal position. > >Best regards, >Jamie Drouin. > > >******************************* > >I want to provide you with an up-to-date status report on release of the >Repeater product. This has been a difficult project for us. In order to be >able to provide you with a revised delivery date that was accurate and >achievable, we brought together the entire project team as well as the >engineering and project managers for a detailed planning session to: > >1. Ensure that all remaining tasks were identified >2. Establish a test plan to ensure no problems after product release >3. Provide a completion date which is realistic. > >The release date derived from this session was early June. I apologize for >the further delay and understand the difficulties this creates for everyone. > >Please understand that the Repeater is a powerful, fully featured product. >A number of new technologies have been developed for Repeater including >intelligent loop splicing, beat matching, pitch shifting and time stretching >and squeezing. All of these technologies have been completed and are >working well. > >Where we ran into unexpected delays was in the integration of these >technologies and achieving seamless operation of the complete system. >Hardware has been produced so the risks associated with production startup >have been overcome. > >Other breakthrough products released to the MI market in the past have often >encountered similar frustrating delays. When a major leap forward like this >is undertaken, the risk of delays increases. > >We are determined that we will not release Repeater until we are confident >that all technical challenges and operating bugs have been fixed. We know >Repeater is going to be highly successful - we are committed to providing >trouble-free operation out of the box. > > >Philip Scott >President > >******************************* > > >Jamie Drouin >Visual Designer for Electrix >(a division of IVL Technologies Ltd) >6710 Bertram Place, Victoria, BC, V8M 1Z6 Canada > >email... jamie@electrixpro.com fax... 250-544-4102 voice... 250-544-4114 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 19 15:52:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22071; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:50:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:50:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AB670D3.BD4704AE@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:49:53 -0500 From: steve Reply-To: studio_t@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: fretless, gratitude- recommended loop box? References: <27.12741bd5.27e423b1@aol.com> <3AB2D15B.889834A9@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I guess it depends on what your thing is, gearheads who dig cars tend to buy a few and have a couple projects going, I have met people for whom sex was the only thing that mattered and yes indeed they did subscribe to that point of view, I admit going thru a phase where I felt like that myself, if sound is your thing I think trying to simplify may not always be the best approach and I was responding to someone who I think was looking for a get one thing that does it all aproach and I think that will rarely work out. I think the looking for that ONE piece of gear that will do it for you is as iffy as the buy everyhting that comes your way approach, and the scariest part to me is that everyone gets these do it all boxes and all start to sound the same, sometimes taking the time to learn the deeper aspects of the tools you already have can produce some suprising and pleasing results, and in the sound realm simplicity can be powerful but I know many will aggree that sound manipulation can be fun no matter how complex it gets and to your analogies, if you where looking to put together a good band, company, family, state or other entity involving multiple people would you want a handful of identical's or a gestalt of mixed talents perhaps I was too off the cuff, how bout this; the middle road is usually best don't over-simplify explore your gear seek out the sound in your heart regardless of how simple or complex the road to it is send me any gear that is vexxing you and I will use it! peace, steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 19 16:06:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23713; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:04:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:04:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009301c0b0b7$b5ebb100$6401a8c0@nwlink.com> From: "Bob Campbell" To: References: <27.12741bd5.27e423b1@aol.com> <3AB2D15B.889834A9@bellsouth.net> <3AB670D3.BD4704AE@bellsouth.net> Subject: MPX-G2 resources? Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:01:03 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I've had the Lexicon MPX-G2 guitar processor I got used last year for way too long to not be embarassed by the fact that I don't know jack about it except hitting the lovely presets. It even has the 20 sec Jamman option, but I'm to busy grokking my EDP to bother with that. Does anyone know of any websites or newsgroups where other G2 users would be found? thanks, Bob From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 19 16:08:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23748; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:06:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:06:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1e.12d888c0.27e7ce75@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:04:53 EST Subject: Re: fretless, gratitude- recommended loop box? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1e.12d888c0.27e7ce75_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1e.12d888c0.27e7ce75_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/19/01 3:52:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, studio_t@bellsouth.net writes: > send me any gear that is vexxing you and I will use it! > i agree with steve.....how often do i want to kick myself in the ass for getting rid of "such and such", it only cost me X back in the 60's now they want 5X for it now, and nothing really sounds like it today.....simplify by all means, learn your equipment as best you can but dont get rid of stuff unless you just dont like it.....after close to 40 years of playing i regret the "treasures" (sounds) that i let get away.....michael --part1_1e.12d888c0.27e7ce75_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/19/01 3:52:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,
studio_t@bellsouth.net writes:


send me any gear that is vexxing you and I will use it!

i agree with steve.....how often do i want to kick myself in the ass for
getting rid of "such and such", it only cost me X back in the 60's now they
want 5X for it now, and nothing really sounds like it today.....simplify by
all means, learn your equipment as best you can but dont get rid of stuff
unless you just dont like it.....after close to 40 years of playing i regret
the "treasures" (sounds) that i let get away.....michael
--part1_1e.12d888c0.27e7ce75_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 19 16:23:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24483; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:22:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:22:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AB67833.B3A086FF@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:20:52 -0800 X-Sybari-Trust: 28a3da0d 050014e1 00000000 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, jamie@electrixpro.com, Damon@electrixpro.com Subject: Re: Repeater Update References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <08b--D.A.Q-F._gnt6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've lost my last bit of optimism. The Repeater, at it's projected price, seemed too good to be true. In November you just had to tweak your powersupply design and then the Repeater would ship. 8 months off? It's time to get an Echoplex. Sorry Electrix. This is obviously vaporware. What was that thing in the quicktime video of the namm demo? It seemed to be a working Repeater, so what's the problem? Fess up: you are unable to offer that product for $599 list. It would have been nice if Electrix had been honest from the start. Mark Sottilaro Sr. Graphic Design InVision Communications http://www.iv.com Mark Landman wrote: > Jamie, Damon, Darrell, and other Electrix folks- > > No need to hide under the desk, my order is still in, and I'm pleased to > see the effort to ship a bug-free, stable product. > > No other company has developed anything as fully featured and desirable to > the looping community since the introduction of the EDP, so hang in there. > > Best- > > Mark > > >Hi guys and gals, > > > > The following is an update from the President of IVL/Electrix on the > >progress of Repeater. It will be posted on the site later today, but I > >wanted you to hear it first. Warning: you may feel physically ill after > >reading it...I know I did, but do realize that we're dedicated to bringing > >you the best looping tool possible, and it will have been worth the wait. > > > > If you need me I'll be hiding under my desk in a fetal position. > > > >Best regards, > >Jamie Drouin. > > > > > >******************************* > > > >I want to provide you with an up-to-date status report on release of the > >Repeater product. This has been a difficult project for us. In order to be > >able to provide you with a revised delivery date that was accurate and > >achievable, we brought together the entire project team as well as the > >engineering and project managers for a detailed planning session to: > > > >1. Ensure that all remaining tasks were identified > >2. Establish a test plan to ensure no problems after product release > >3. Provide a completion date which is realistic. > > > >The release date derived from this session was early June. I apologize for > >the further delay and understand the difficulties this creates for everyone. > > > >Please understand that the Repeater is a powerful, fully featured product. > >A number of new technologies have been developed for Repeater including > >intelligent loop splicing, beat matching, pitch shifting and time stretching > >and squeezing. All of these technologies have been completed and are > >working well. > > > >Where we ran into unexpected delays was in the integration of these > >technologies and achieving seamless operation of the complete system. > >Hardware has been produced so the risks associated with production startup > >have been overcome. > > > >Other breakthrough products released to the MI market in the past have often > >encountered similar frustrating delays. When a major leap forward like this > >is undertaken, the risk of delays increases. > > > >We are determined that we will not release Repeater until we are confident > >that all technical challenges and operating bugs have been fixed. We know > >Repeater is going to be highly successful - we are committed to providing > >trouble-free operation out of the box. > > > > > >Philip Scott > >President > > > >******************************* > > > > > >Jamie Drouin > >Visual Designer for Electrix > >(a division of IVL Technologies Ltd) > >6710 Bertram Place, Victoria, BC, V8M 1Z6 Canada > > > >email... jamie@electrixpro.com fax... 250-544-4102 voice... 250-544-4114 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 19 16:32:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24891; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:31:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:31:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c0b0bb$b5721760$902078d8@prelayomb> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <3AB67833.B3A086FF@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Repeater Delay Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:29:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To be completely honest, I'm sorry to have to wait to take advantage of the big sell off of EDPs, DL-4s etc WHEN (not if) the Repeater finally ships. And by the way, if you think being a professional musician can be a ripoff, try being a musical instument manufacturer. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 19 16:39:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25232; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:37:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:37:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.16.219.10] From: "Pete Mundt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater Delay Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:36:10 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2001 21:36:10.0599 (UTC) FILETIME=[9D502770:01C0B0BC] Resent-Message-ID: <7lFFoD.A.AKG.pvnt6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Let the games begin!! >From: "Gary Lehmann" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Repeater Delay >Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:29:40 -0800 > >To be completely honest, I'm sorry to have to wait to take advantage of the >big sell off of EDPs, DL-4s etc WHEN (not if) the Repeater finally ships. >And by the way, if you think being a professional musician can be a ripoff, >try being a musical instument manufacturer. > >Gary > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 19 16:55:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25758; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:53:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:53:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AB67F90.8FF5D19D@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:52:25 -0500 From: steve Reply-To: studio_t@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater Delay References: <3AB67833.B3A086FF@zerocrossing.net> <000f01c0b0bb$b5721760$902078d8@prelayomb> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com really, how many companies making cool products havn't been able to make it in the market, the repeater looks like a good product and to those of us interested well, we're VERY interested, electrix isn't the first co to misjudge a release date, start advertising WAY too early and not be completly upfront about whats going on. I'm watching it as a potential customer and welcome the disclosure of a well thought out timeframe, I hope thats what it really is and if I where at electrix I wouldn't sweat the strong reactions too much, I think most of us appreciate the attempt to keep us informed, please continue to do so and bud, climb out form under that desk, have a drink or a smoke, do some yoga, tell oprah your poblems honey, its never worth getting all twisted up do you have any idea how many times I've promised my wife something would be done by a certain date and then had to revise my projections? try remodeling your own house and studio you'll find out what real pressure is! peace, steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 19 17:02:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27195; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:01:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:01:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:59:05 EST Subject: OT: MPC2K / midi bank changes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 113 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey folks - sorry for the off topic, but this group is so smart (suck up, suck up) that I think I can get my question answered by someone with a minimum of fuss. If there is anyone who is familiar with a) Akai's MPC 2000 and/or b) sending midi bank changes to a synth module.... I have an MPC, and an EMU Orbit synth module. I finally figured out how to assign program changes to the MPC tracks, but I am being stymied by the MPC in sending bank changes messages, so that Track 1 looks for bank 0, program 55 on the Orbit, Track 2 looks for bank 3, program 122 on the Orbit, etc. If anyone can help me out, I would be extremely grateful. As a sidebar, anyone familiar with Adobe Premiere or AfterEffects that could answer a question on panning around an image would be super helpful too. Thanks a ton. - Crossedout@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 19 17:15:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27654; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:13:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:13:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010319140749.01e2b700@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:11:56 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Repeater Update In-Reply-To: <3AB67833.B3A086FF@zerocrossing.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Sottilaro (01:20 PM 03/19/01) wrote: >I've lost my last bit of optimism. The Repeater, at it's projected price, >seemed too good to be true. In November you just had to tweak your >powersupply >design and then the Repeater would ship. 8 months off? It's time to get an >Echoplex. Sorry Electrix. This is obviously vaporware. What was that >thing in >the quicktime video of the namm demo? It seemed to be a working Repeater, >so what's the problem? Fess up: you are unable to offer that product for >$599 list. It would have been nice if Electrix had been honest from the >start. The machine that was at Winter NAMM 2001 was NOT complete and a couple of functions were not at production quality. Damon had stated that earlier. Sh*t happens. The Waldorf Q was release a year past it's announce date, the Alesis Andromeda was back and forth for 3 years, Bob Moog's new machine will be 18 months past the hopeful date. Kudo's to Electrix for keeping folks in the loop. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 19 17:49:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28444; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:47:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:47:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20010319164555.0086e220@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:45:55 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: Repeater Update In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010319140749.01e2b700@mail.redmoon-music.com> References: <3AB67833.B3A086FF@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm so very happy I don't want one. M.. At 02:11 PM 3/19/01 -0800, you wrote: >Mark Sottilaro (01:20 PM 03/19/01) wrote: > > >I've lost my last bit of optimism. The Repeater, at it's projected price, > >seemed too good to be true. In November you just had to tweak your > >powersupply > >design and then the Repeater would ship. 8 months off? It's time to get an > >Echoplex. Sorry Electrix. This is obviously vaporware. What was that > >thing in > >the quicktime video of the namm demo? It seemed to be a working Repeater, > >so what's the problem? Fess up: you are unable to offer that product for > >$599 list. It would have been nice if Electrix had been honest from the > >start. > >The machine that was at Winter NAMM 2001 was NOT complete and a couple of >functions were not at production quality. Damon had stated that earlier. > >Sh*t happens. > > >The Waldorf Q was release a year past it's announce date, the Alesis >Andromeda was back and forth for 3 years, Bob Moog's new machine will be 18 >months past the hopeful date. > > >Kudo's to Electrix for keeping folks in the loop. > >Mark > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 19 18:27:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30428; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:23:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:23:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: mhamburg@mailsj-v1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010319140749.01e2b700@mail.redmoon-music.com> References: <3AB67833.B3A086FF@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:21:54 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Mark Hamburg" Subject: Re: Repeater Update Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As I read the message, they had software to make the hardware do A. They also had software to make it do B. The problem is that making it do A and B is not the same as just putting both pieces together because the two then have to interact. Mark >Mark Sottilaro (01:20 PM 03/19/01) wrote: > > >I've lost my last bit of optimism. The Repeater, at it's projected price, > >seemed too good to be true. In November you just had to tweak your > >powersupply > >design and then the Repeater would ship. 8 months off? It's time to get an > >Echoplex. Sorry Electrix. This is obviously vaporware. What was that > >thing in > >the quicktime video of the namm demo? It seemed to be a working Repeater, > >so what's the problem? Fess up: you are unable to offer that product for > >$599 list. It would have been nice if Electrix had been honest from the > >start. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 19 18:31:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30609; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:27:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:27:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20010319164555.0086e220@mail.airmail.net> References: <3AB67833.B3A086FF@zerocrossing.net> <3.0.3.32.20010319164555.0086e220@mail.airmail.net> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:13:00 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Repeater Update Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com if anybody is terribly upset about this last announcement, and is completely disillusioned...why not call Alto and say, "hey, i'm out, this is too long", and just wait for the shiny little toy to end up on the shelves of your local music store? i'm not advocating taking any business away from Alto, they seem really helpful. but i got into a financial pinch while i was waiting for the first shipment of Gibson EDP's...remember that? god, it just went on forever. The folks at Alto were very understanding of my frustration and financial situation. Once i let go of that damn, "oooh, i can't wait for it" advance order, i felt much better. still don't have an EDP, and was able to play with one long enough later to realize that maybe it's not the machine for me...maybe.... too bad i didn't stress out for months to get ahold of a buggy unit to only find that out, eh? rich >At 02:11 PM 3/19/01 -0800, you wrote: >>Mark Sottilaro (01:20 PM 03/19/01) wrote: >> > > >I've lost my last bit of optimism. The Repeater, at it's projected price, >> >seemed too good to be true. In November you just had to tweak your >> >powersupply >> >design and then the Repeater would ship. 8 months off? It's time to >get an >> >Echoplex. Sorry Electrix. This is obviously vaporware. What was that >> >thing in >> >the quicktime video of the namm demo? It seemed to be a working Repeater, >> >so what's the problem? Fess up: you are unable to offer that product for >> >$599 list. It would have been nice if Electrix had been honest from the >> >start. > > >>The machine that was at Winter NAMM 2001 was NOT complete and a couple of >>functions were not at production quality. Damon had stated that earlier. >> >>Sh*t happens. >> >> >>The Waldorf Q was release a year past it's announce date, the Alesis >>Andromeda was back and forth for 3 years, Bob Moog's new machine will be 18 >>months past the hopeful date. >> >> >>Kudo's to Electrix for keeping folks in the loop. >> >>Mark >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 19 19:05:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA32511; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:00:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:00:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c0b0d0$e58a34e0$a6b51597@default> From: "Italo De Angelis" To: References: <3AB67833.B3A086FF@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Repeater Update Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 01:01:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, I had a personal demo of the REPEATER at the Frankfurt MusikMesse...it's simply AWESOME ! ! ! You're going to love it...hold on, don't waste your money, get something SERIOUS,,,,,,,,,Italo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: ; ; Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 10:20 PM Subject: Re: Repeater Update > I've lost my last bit of optimism. The Repeater, at it's projected price, > seemed too good to be true. In November you just had to tweak your powersupply > design and then the Repeater would ship. 8 months off? It's time to get an > Echoplex. Sorry Electrix. This is obviously vaporware. What was that thing in > the quicktime video of the namm demo? It seemed to be a working Repeater, so > what's the problem? Fess up: you are unable to offer that product for $599 > list. It would have been nice if Electrix had been honest from the start. > > Mark Sottilaro > Sr. Graphic Design > InVision Communications > http://www.iv.com > > Mark Landman wrote: > > > Jamie, Damon, Darrell, and other Electrix folks- > > > > No need to hide under the desk, my order is still in, and I'm pleased to > > see the effort to ship a bug-free, stable product. > > > > No other company has developed anything as fully featured and desirable to > > the looping community since the introduction of the EDP, so hang in there. > > > > Best- > > > > Mark > > > > >Hi guys and gals, > > > > > > The following is an update from the President of IVL/Electrix on the > > >progress of Repeater. It will be posted on the site later today, but I > > >wanted you to hear it first. Warning: you may feel physically ill after > > >reading it...I know I did, but do realize that we're dedicated to bringing > > >you the best looping tool possible, and it will have been worth the wait. > > > > > > If you need me I'll be hiding under my desk in a fetal position. > > > > > >Best regards, > > >Jamie Drouin. > > > > > > > > >******************************* > > > > > >I want to provide you with an up-to-date status report on release of the > > >Repeater product. This has been a difficult project for us. In order to be > > >able to provide you with a revised delivery date that was accurate and > > >achievable, we brought together the entire project team as well as the > > >engineering and project managers for a detailed planning session to: > > > > > >1. Ensure that all remaining tasks were identified > > >2. Establish a test plan to ensure no problems after product release > > >3. Provide a completion date which is realistic. > > > > > >The release date derived from this session was early June. I apologize for > > >the further delay and understand the difficulties this creates for everyone. > > > > > >Please understand that the Repeater is a powerful, fully featured product. > > >A number of new technologies have been developed for Repeater including > > >intelligent loop splicing, beat matching, pitch shifting and time stretching > > >and squeezing. All of these technologies have been completed and are > > >working well. > > > > > >Where we ran into unexpected delays was in the integration of these > > >technologies and achieving seamless operation of the complete system. > > >Hardware has been produced so the risks associated with production startup > > >have been overcome. > > > > > >Other breakthrough products released to the MI market in the past have often > > >encountered similar frustrating delays. When a major leap forward like this > > >is undertaken, the risk of delays increases. > > > > > >We are determined that we will not release Repeater until we are confident > > >that all technical challenges and operating bugs have been fixed. We know > > >Repeater is going to be highly successful - we are committed to providing > > >trouble-free operation out of the box. > > > > > > > > >Philip Scott > > >President > > > > > >******************************* > > > > > > > > >Jamie Drouin > > >Visual Designer for Electrix > > >(a division of IVL Technologies Ltd) > > >6710 Bertram Place, Victoria, BC, V8M 1Z6 Canada > > > > > >email... jamie@electrixpro.com fax... 250-544-4102 voice... 250-544-4114 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 19 19:09:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA00388; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:07:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:07:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.4.1 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:05:39 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Repeater Update Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id TAA00354 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > rich@nuvisionsca.com 03/19/01 03:13PM >>> > ... Once i let go of that damn, "oooh, i can't wait for it" advance order, i felt much better. I'd say that once you've given credit card info... you're courting disappointment. We're so damn organized here that if anyone ― way credible has something new happening, we're all over it for a group buy. Maybe we aught to just quit putting those together? 8-) Sorry there's people here with sour grapes to swallow... ObLoopItem: My EDP is still amazing me! I've been setting it up in loop mode with 0% feedback and recording fairly long thematic passages. (10-30 secs) Then at the loop-close-tap I begin unison or harmony with the original line... at the end of that cycle, I then have to re-harmonize or re-state the original passage. It's really fun to play diads and chords, clouds etc. then tap and start playing melody, knowing all the while I'm going to have to go back to something similar to the first cycle to keep things going. It's a good exercise. I suppose fugues could be practiced with this method as well? Over someone else's groove it's possible to leapfrog one cycle to the next with dual melodies... it also usually prevents having that 'too much repetition' sort of feeling because you're always playing along with something that was only one cycle behind. It's totally awesome with a Fuzz Factory... Best, -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 19 19:13:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA00666; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:11:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:11:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.4.1 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:10:09 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Repeater Update Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id TAA00638 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>> italoop@libero.it 03/19/01 04:01PM >>> Mark, I had a personal demo of the REPEATER at the Frankfurt MusikMesse...it's simply AWESOME ! ! ! You're going to love it...hold on, don't waste your money, get something SERIOUS,,,,,,,,,Italo Nah... go on out and get a Digitech 4 sec delay, or a Boss DD5. No rack to deal with AND people will understand what you're using! No self-indulgent rack of doom! 8-) BTW... if anyone is really sick of your EDP, I'll happily offer at least a couple hundred bucks for it. *-) -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 19 20:05:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02613; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:02:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:02:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: Endless Repeater Updates... Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:07:06 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <002b01c0b0d0$e58a34e0$a6b51597@default> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't know about the rest of you, but I am just tired of all this talk about Repeater. I'm tired of hearing Electrix make delivery promises about Repeater and then never once hit any of the *numerous* dates they've given the group. Sure, it's nice to get an update, and I do understand that this is a work in progress, but what makes you think you can COUNT ON this latest date? Three months is a long time. While I'm sympathetic, I'm tired of reading about the angst of folks who are waiting to buy this product that simply does not yet exist - and won't exist for AT LEAST another three months by the manufacturer's own reckoning - and tired of all the other posts talking about how the first group should continue to wait for this product that simply does not exist, is not currently shipping, and won't be for AT LEAST another quarter. Why bother? Nobody really knows how good this product will actually be when it ships - it just ain't here yet, folks, and it won't be anytime soon. So I wonder... can't we just declare some sort of moratorium on Repeater posts? I, for one, am just tired of hearing about this non-product. Aren't you? Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 19 20:16:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02986; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:15:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:15:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 01:18:31 +0000 Subject: Re: Endless Repeater Updates... From: Martin Shellard To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I agree I am sick of hearing about Repeater, this is a board for and about loopers and looping products (that exist) not a "forthcoming Electrix products" forum. I think Electrix have had enough free advertising on this board. Martin Shellard > From: "Kevin Mulvihill" > I don't know about the rest of you, but I am just tired of all this talk > about Repeater. > > So I wonder... can't we just declare some sort of moratorium on Repeater > posts? I, for one, am just tired of hearing about this non-product. Aren't > you? > > Kevin > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 19 20:55:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03825; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:54:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:54:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:53:31 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: Endless Repeater Updates... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I, for one, am glad that they are being as open as they are about their process in bringing this product out. Products slip all the time. So what? There are a lot of people here excited about it. They may want to talk about it. Why should they be discouraged from talking about the Repeater until it ships. When I saw a demo at NAMM I was struck by two things: 1 - this thing is still a fair way off, lucky if it hits by Summer NAMM, and 2 - this thing is going to be REALLY cool, and I REALLY want one. It falls into an very interesting middle ground between hard disk recording and "traditional" looping. As far as I know, once Electrix was burned by giving out a date last year, they have been pretty vague about ship dates. This is as it should be. Ask Kim what the schedule is for the next EDP software update, and you'll get world class evasion. Once again, this is as it should be. Once things look like they are firming up enough to make a good prediction, then you can let out a date. The fact that Electrix is spending money on advertising before the product is ready is too bad, but I bet they do better next time. There are looping products that get discussed here that I have zero interest in, but I don't feel that we should have a moratorium on discussing them. This is not Loopers-who-use-the-same-devices-I-do-Delight. Chris At 5:07 PM -0800 3/19/01, Kevin Mulvihill wrote: >I don't know about the rest of you, but I am just tired of all this talk >about Repeater. I'm tired of hearing Electrix make delivery promises about >Repeater and then never once hit any of the *numerous* dates they've given >the group. Sure, it's nice to get an update, and I do understand that this >is a work in progress, but what makes you think you can COUNT ON this latest >date? Three months is a long time. > >While I'm sympathetic, I'm tired of reading about the angst of folks who are >waiting to buy this product that simply does not yet exist - and won't exist >for AT LEAST another three months by the manufacturer's own reckoning - and >tired of all the other posts talking about how the first group should >continue to wait for this product that simply does not exist, is not >currently shipping, and won't be for AT LEAST another quarter. Why bother? >Nobody really knows how good this product will actually be when it ships - >it just ain't here yet, folks, and it won't be anytime soon. > >So I wonder... can't we just declare some sort of moratorium on Repeater >posts? I, for one, am just tired of hearing about this non-product. Aren't >you? > >Kevin _________________________________________________________ The optimist sees a glass half full... | Chris Muir The pessimist sees a glass half empty... | cbm@well.com The realist sees a glass twice as big as it needs to be. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 19 21:37:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05673; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:35:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:35:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005f01c0b0e5$a5e63220$0500a8c0@mlameyer02> From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: Subject: Re: Looping in 4th Grade Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:29:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yay for teachers! My 6th grade music teacher brought in someone with an ARP 2600 (I think). I remember seeing a lot of patch cables anyway. The next time I saw an ARP 2600 was in an elective music studio class during my brief stint in college. I was definitely fascinated by the 6th grade music experience and heartily encourage all teachers of any kind to follow that example. 8^) Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Trenkel" To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 1:46 PM Subject: Re: Looping in 4th Grade > >howdy peeps, > > i am a 4th grade teacher and we are doing a unit on sound. i > >took my mackie mixer, small fender amp,a mic and rack w/ my jamman and boy > >did my science classes have fun. we recorded people talking and then guessed > >whether it was english or gibberish when played backwards. lots of fun. i did > >this for my evaluation with my principal and she was very impressed. looping > >in the classroom, who'da thought? > > =-) PJ > > What an extraordinarily cool story! Who knows waht kind of influence you're > having on those kids! One pivotal moment for me was in 6th grade when our > music teacher, who played keyboards in bands as well as teaching, brought > his new Minimoog to show the class one day. This was when ELP's "Lucky Man" > was a hit, and I remember being totally into Emerson's synth solo at the > end. Getting a hands-on demo of a synth at that impressionable of an age is > part of what set me on the course of being a musician. Which, maybe in the > long run, wasn't such a great idea.... > > ____________________________________________ > Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org > New & Improv Media > http://www.newandimprov.com > Now available: Admiral Twinkle Devil: Wabi Dub > ____________________________________________ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 19 21:50:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06060; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:49:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:49:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AB6C4FC.75C6C1E3@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:48:27 -0800 X-Sybari-Trust: ee52a79a 050014e1 00000000 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Endless Repeater Updates... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I could not agree more. Martin Shellard wrote: > I agree > I am sick of hearing about Repeater, this is a board for and about loopers > and looping products (that exist) not a "forthcoming Electrix products" > forum. > I think Electrix have had enough free advertising on this board. > > Martin Shellard > > > From: "Kevin Mulvihill" > > > I don't know about the rest of you, but I am just tired of all this talk > > about Repeater. > > > > So I wonder... can't we just declare some sort of moratorium on Repeater > > posts? I, for one, am just tired of hearing about this non-product. Aren't > > you? > > > > Kevin > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 19 23:41:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA10221; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:39:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:39:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:29:33 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Repeater Update - Get over it! In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: <3AB67833.B3A086FF@zerocrossing.net> <3.0.3.32.20010319164555.0086e220@mail.airmail.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Like some on this list I saw a demo of Repeater at NAMM, and despite the glitches and production delays I was impressed and determined to buy one as soon as it came available. I subscribed to this list during NAMM because a friend told me there was a group buy in the offing. After a couple days' messages, which consisted mostly of whining, I was inclined to unsubscribe. Instead of that, I ignored the carrying on and have been rewarded by some fairly decent discussion. However, you chillun' are at it again! Would you please just bite your tongues and stop blubbering? Electrix is a good company and the Repeater will no doubt be a fine product when it arrives. However, some of you will still be a bunch of babies. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 20 00:03:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA11962; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:02:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:02:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0c9c01c0b0fb$49deec40$a0ad5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: Endless Repeater Updates... Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:04:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <8R-rAD.A.s6C.URut6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Obviously, people who aren't involved with the design and manufacturing of electronic devices cannot know just how difficult it is to make a good estimate of the time frame to first shipment and the cost to manufacture. In 2000, I was on Lucent Technologies' team to provide NTT/DoCoMo with third generation wideband CDMA base stations. As a Product Engineer, I was responsible for ensuring models/prototypes were made on time with all of the latest mods, ensuring that designs are properly done and documented and consider testing and manufacturing issues, and move the designs into manufacture. IF it were easy, then ANYONE could do it... THEY CAN'T. If the Repeater is delayed to ensure that I get a a cadillac at sub-compact price, then I say fine. It gives me time to save up or collect interest on my savings! I, for one, will be very patient. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Mulvihill To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Monday, March 19, 2001 8:05 PM Subject: Endless Repeater Updates... >I don't know about the rest of you, but I am just tired of all this talk >about Repeater. I'm tired of hearing Electrix make delivery promises about >Repeater and then never once hit any of the *numerous* dates they've given >the group. Sure, it's nice to get an update, and I do understand that this >is a work in progress, but what makes you think you can COUNT ON this latest >date? Three months is a long time. > >While I'm sympathetic, I'm tired of reading about the angst of folks who are >waiting to buy this product that simply does not yet exist - and won't exist >for AT LEAST another three months by the manufacturer's own reckoning - and >tired of all the other posts talking about how the first group should >continue to wait for this product that simply does not exist, is not >currently shipping, and won't be for AT LEAST another quarter. Why bother? >Nobody really knows how good this product will actually be when it ships - >it just ain't here yet, folks, and it won't be anytime soon. > >So I wonder... can't we just declare some sort of moratorium on Repeater >posts? I, for one, am just tired of hearing about this non-product. Aren't >you? > >Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 20 00:04:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA11958; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:02:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:02:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: JohnFlem@aol.com Message-ID: <35.124ad9c7.27e83e0a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:00:58 EST Subject: Re: Repeater Vaporware???? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's the deal.....If you need a Looper TODAY, just get something else. If you need a Looper that will STORE your loops as well as transfer them to and from a Computer, AND do time stretching in Real Time...then you should wait until the Repeater comes out (it's the only one). I can assure you that it IS NOT Vaporware. The problem is that it is so powerful and has so many features....the Software is going to be extrememly complex. Get a Line6 Delay now, and then you can use it for FX when the Repeater is out :) Be thankful that Electrix is using this Discussion Group for Feedback. You won't see Roland/Boss around here looking for suggestions for the Loop Station. Their R&D is all done in Japan! I share your pain...I've been waiting for Repeater since I saw it (an empty box of course) at Summer NAMM last year! JMP In a message dated 3/19/01 8:50:53 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: << It's time to get an Echoplex. Sorry Electrix. This is obviously vaporware. What was that thing in the quicktime video of the namm demo? It seemed to be a working Repeater, so what's the problem? Fess up: you are unable to offer that product for $599 list. It would have been nice if Electrix had been honest from the start. >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 20 01:50:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA14753; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 01:48:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 01:48:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "omjn" To: Subject: RE: Repeater Update - Get over it! Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:48:10 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com by some reckoning you have to see that the gadget lover's narcicism demands the gadget be seen as a highly desired extension of the self. To have someone deny this longing and ultimately deny one's wholeness is sometimes understandably taken as an insult. These things are very personal. But given that this is a public list, to a fair degree, it is parhaps not the place for personal grievances. just a suggestion omjn -----Original Message----- From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] Sent: Tuesday, 20 March 2001 12:30 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater Update - Get over it! Like some on this list I saw a demo of Repeater at NAMM, and despite the glitches and production delays I was impressed and determined to buy one as soon as it came available. I subscribed to this list during NAMM because a friend told me there was a group buy in the offing. After a couple days' messages, which consisted mostly of whining, I was inclined to unsubscribe. Instead of that, I ignored the carrying on and have been rewarded by some fairly decent discussion. However, you chillun' are at it again! Would you please just bite your tongues and stop blubbering? Electrix is a good company and the Repeater will no doubt be a fine product when it arrives. However, some of you will still be a bunch of babies. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 20 01:50:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA14722; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 01:48:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 01:48:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.163.200.30] From: "Pete Mundt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Self Regulation... Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 01:46:40 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2001 06:46:40.0691 (UTC) FILETIME=[84C83830:01C0B109] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Repeater~ >I, for one, will be very patient. > >Bill billfox@fast.net The thing I like most about this list is the self- regulation. Thank You to all that regulate, and thank you Kim & others who have done so much in creating this environment! Pete. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 20 04:00:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA18134; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 03:57:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 03:57:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cave@pop1.osk.3web.ne.jp X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1-J Message-Id: Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 17:55:48 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: Our new Real Audio and mp3 uploaded. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1227043938==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1227043938==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hi Loopers, Our last live gig, "loops" Real Audio and mp3 has uploaded. http://www.cavestudio.com/music/loops_Mar_2001/ Live recorded at BIG APPLE,Kobe 6th Mar 2001. with Kazuhisa Uchihashi,Takashi Kojima,Yoshihiro Kawasaki,Masafumi Ezaki. p.s. Our next Loopy live gig, Looper's Delight J is 11th May 2001 at Kobe,Japan. We are inviting suggestions for materials/textures for this live gig by mp3 file. Please see below. (it FWD from Eighth Nerve,Symbolicsound.) ______________ eighth nerve || News from Kyma Users ||2001.19.03 archive: http://www.symbolicsound.com/eighth-news.html Delightful Loops In the the Cave Sunao Inami (http://www.cavestudio.com) invites Kyma users to contribute materials and textures as MP3s for a world wide webcast scheduled for the 11th of May 2001. For more info, visit the "Looper's Delight J" info page http://www.cavestudio.com/LD_J/2001/ Looper's Delight J will use live streaming by Real System for the world wide live gig. You can listen to contributed loops or mix loops contributed by Japanese loop artists. They are accepting uploaded loops via FTP. Please connect to : http://www.cavestudio.co.uk. LOGIN=looper, PASSWORD=heaven. The deadline is 30th April 2001! ______________ Regards Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com --============_-1227043938==_ma============ Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Loopers, Our last live gig, "loops" Real Audio and mp3 has uploaded. http://www.cavestudio.com/music/loops_Mar_2001/ Live recorded at BIG APPLE,Kobe 6th Mar 2001. with Kazuhisa Uchihashi,Takashi Kojima,Yoshihiro Kawasaki,Masafumi Ezaki. p.s. Our next Loopy live gig, Looper's Delight J is 11th May 2001 at Kobe,Japan. We are inviting suggestions for materials/textures for this live gig by mp3 file. Please see below. (it FWD from Eighth Nerve,Symbolicsound.) ______________ Helvetica0000,7777,0000eighth nerve ||Helvetica0000,7777,0000 News from Kyma Users ||Helvetica0000,7777,00002001.19.03 archive: http://www.symbolicsound.com/eighth-news.html Delightful Loops In the the Cave Sunao Inami (http://www.cavestudio.com) invites Kyma users to contribute materials and textures as MP3s for a world wide webcast scheduled for the 11th of May 2001. For more info, visit the "Looper's Delight J" info page http://www.cavestudio.com/LD_J/2001/ Looper's Delight J will use live streaming by Real System for the world wide live gig. You can listen to contributed loops or mix loops contributed by Japanese loop artists. They are accepting uploaded loops via FTP. Please connect to : http://www.cavestudio.co.uk. LOGIN=looper, PASSWORD=heaven. The deadline is 30th April 2001! ______________ Regards Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com --============_-1227043938==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 20 06:27:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA22240; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 06:22:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 06:22:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010320112134.46101.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 03:21:34 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Repeater Update To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <_PIWpD.A.YbF._0zt6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think we would have to go to a Eunuch's Convention to hear more bitching about the lack of a "peater"! :) ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 20 08:20:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA25501; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:18:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:18:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <37.124b8ac4.27e8b24d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:17:01 EST Subject: Re: Repeater Update To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com landman@wco.com writes: >No other company has developed anything as fully featured and desirable >to the looping community since the introduction of the EDP, so hang in there. ditto. ditto! best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 20 12:19:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00798; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:16:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:16:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c0b160$be2d23e0$b201a8c0@chicago.orbitcommerce.com> From: "chris" To: References: <3AB581DC.C4B202C2@vtx.ch> Subject: Re: UNSUBSCRIBE is the mission if you agree to read me Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:11:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <7XcOBC.A.SL.BA5t6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've tried this 3 times and i'm still getting hundreds of emails. In other words, the reason why everyone sends email to this mailing list telling you, the admin, to unsubscribe them, is b/c your majordomo services are not working properly. Please fix. And please remove. I like what you guys are doing, but there's way too much activity to passively check out the discussions once in a while. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claude Voit" To: "Loopers-Delight" Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 9:49 PM Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE is the mission if you agree to read me > > > 1-click next line link > mailto:Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > 2-delete your signature, etc... make your message blank nothing nada > > 3-double click (highlight) the sacred word on next line then > copy (contr+C ) > SACRED WORD--> unsubscribe <--SACRED WORD > > 4-place cursor in Subject of the message > Paste (contr+V) > > 5-place cursor in Body of the message > Paste (contr+V) > > 6-click send > > Bye bye > > Claude > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 20 12:27:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01101; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:25:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:25:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c0b162$11e510f0$6b44230a@mlameyer02> X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <3AB581DC.C4B202C2@vtx.ch> <002001c0b160$be2d23e0$b201a8c0@chicago.orbitcommerce.com> Subject: OT: UNSUBSCRIBE is the mission if you agree to read me Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:20:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone happen to know if the unsubscribe process is sensitive to html versus text email? Kim? Perhaps you could check your own mail client settings, and if you're sending the unsubscribe request as html, you could try sending it as plain ol' ascii text (under the format menu in Outlook Express). Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 12:11 PM Subject: Re: UNSUBSCRIBE is the mission if you agree to read me > I've tried this 3 times and i'm still getting hundreds of emails. In other > words, the reason why everyone sends email to this mailing list telling you, > the admin, to unsubscribe them, is b/c your majordomo services are not > working properly. Please fix. > > And please remove. I like what you guys are doing, but there's way too much > activity to passively check out the discussions once in a while. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Claude Voit" > To: "Loopers-Delight" > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 9:49 PM > Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE is the mission if you agree to read me > > > > > > > > 1-click next line link > > mailto:Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > > 2-delete your signature, etc... make your message blank nothing nada > > > > 3-double click (highlight) the sacred word on next line then > > copy (contr+C ) > > SACRED WORD--> unsubscribe <--SACRED WORD > > > > 4-place cursor in Subject of the message > > Paste (contr+V) > > > > 5-place cursor in Body of the message > > Paste (contr+V) > > > > 6-click send > > > > Bye bye > > > > Claude > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 20 13:03:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02981; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:02:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:02:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:01:33 -0500 From: Floyd Miller Message-Id: <200103201801.NAA17239@portal.studiodust.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: UNSUBSCRIBE is the mission if you agree to read me Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Anyone happen to know if the unsubscribe process is sensitive to > html versus text email? I'll bet it is. Send plain text only email!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 20 13:27:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03500; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:25:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:25:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, taptalk@progrock.net Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:50:12 -0500 From: "Lily & Jason" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: neutral.milk.hotel@eudoramail.com X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: FS/Trade Chapman Stick X-Sender-Ip: 132.239.188.61 Organization: QUALCOMM Eudora Web-Mail (http://www.eudoramail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a Chapman Stick for sale or trade for a Warr Guitar. It's a 12-string Grand with the Block active EMG pickups and a Roland GK2A MIDI pickup. Just one year old and in mint condition. Email me for details, pics, et cetera. --- Jason & Lily Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 20 13:30:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03669; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:29:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:29:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c0b16b$e6b03ae0$0300a8c0@foothilltransit.org> From: "phalen orion" To: References: <200103201801.NAA17239@portal.studiodust.com> Subject: Re: OT: UNSUBSCRIBE is the mission if you agree to read me Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:30:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <_hDs1D.A.04.jF6t6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I do believe that many mailing list programs are sensitive to HTML formating, which would probably be because they want the commands to be before anything else unsubscribe is a lot different from unsubscribe Best, Jonathan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 20 14:07:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05436; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:05:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:05:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AB7A9A1.1D6E3DE8@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:04:01 -0800 X-Sybari-Trust: 730fd653 050014e1 00000000 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Elektros Againinator References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0dcXc.A.aUB.um6t6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello loop fans, My name is Charley LaRue and I represent a company called Elektros and we're proud to announce our new product, The Againinator. This new loop tool will not have any audio features to speak of, but instead will feature infinite release delays, making it the ultimate delayed device not available on the market today. Please respond to me with a feature list you'd like to be denied of. We don't have a prototype yet to speak of, but it will be ready sometime between tomorrow and the end of your useful life. If you'd like to get an idea of what it's going to look like, please hit yourself in the head with a large office machine instead. The Againinator will list for US$17.99, and through group buys you will actually be able to make money from getting it, much unlike most of your gigs. For those of you that are not musicians, we also might offer a product based on chickens with built in wheels that can be controlled via the internet. yours truly, Charley LaRue Elektros Inc. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 20 14:09:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05498; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:07:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:07:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: Re: Elektros Againinator To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:01:47 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 03/20/2001 01:01:47 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This seems to be about twelve days early. Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Elektros Againinator 03/20/01 01:04 PM Please respond to Loopers-Delig ht Hello loop fans, My name is Charley LaRue and I represent a company called Elektros and we're proud to announce our new product, The Againinator. This new loop tool will not have any audio features to speak of, but instead will feature infinite release delays, making it the ultimate delayed device not available on the market today. Please respond to me with a feature list you'd like to be denied of. We don't have a prototype yet to speak of, but it will be ready sometime between tomorrow and the end of your useful life. If you'd like to get an idea of what it's going to look like, please hit yourself in the head with a large office machine instead. The Againinator will list for US$17.99, and through group buys you will actually be able to make money from getting it, much unlike most of your gigs. For those of you that are not musicians, we also might offer a product based on chickens with built in wheels that can be controlled via the internet. yours truly, Charley LaRue Elektros Inc. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 20 14:16:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05765; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:15:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:15:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AB7AC5C.3F6EDCA8@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:28:12 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new moog machine (was) Repeater Update References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010319140749.01e2b700@mail.redmoon-music.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Pulver wrote: > The Waldorf Q was release a year past it's announce date, the Alesis > Andromeda was back and forth for 3 years, Bob Moog's new machine will be 18 > months past the hopeful date. re. bob's new machine...ooh. what is this? lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 20 14:19:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05881; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:17:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:17:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAF82@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Elektros Againinator Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:15:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0B172.19D5E450" Resent-Message-ID: <_NdOdD.A.naB.Uy6t6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0B172.19D5E450 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" hey. ya know, it seems like the best way for people to deal with their lack of interest in the repeater is to hit the delete key when they see "repeater" in the subject header. i do whenever i see stuff about edp foot pedals, etc., that i know of is no use or interest to me. also, i think it somewhat unsavory that you are now impugning someone's integrity on the list. if you have a problem, e-mail the electrix folks directly. i think that it would show a lot more intestinal fortitude than slamming them to hundreds of people across the world. stig Hello loop fans, My name is Charley LaRue and I represent a company called Elektros and we're proud to announce our new product, The Againinator. This new loop tool will not have any audio features to speak of, but instead will feature infinite release delays, making it the ultimate delayed device not available on the market today. Please respond to me with a feature list you'd like to be denied of. We don't have a prototype yet to speak of, but it will be ready sometime between tomorrow and the end of your useful life. If you'd like to get an idea of what it's going to look like, please hit yourself in the head with a large office machine instead. The Againinator will list for US$17.99, and through group buys you will actually be able to make money from getting it, much unlike most of your gigs. For those of you that are not musicians, we also might offer a product based on chickens with built in wheels that can be controlled via the internet. yours truly, Charley LaRue Elektros Inc. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0B172.19D5E450 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Elektros Againinator

hey.

ya know,


it seems like the best way for people to deal with = their lack of interest in the repeater is to hit the delete key when = they see "repeater"  in the subject header. i do = whenever i see stuff about edp foot pedals, etc., that i know of is no = use or interest to me.

also, i think it somewhat unsavory that you are now = impugning someone's integrity on the list. if you have a problem, = e-mail the electrix folks directly. i think that it would show a lot = more intestinal fortitude than slamming them to hundreds of people = across the world.

stig


Hello loop fans,

My name is Charley LaRue and I represent a company = called Elektros and we're
proud to announce our new product, The = Againinator.  This new loop tool will
not have any audio features to speak of, but instead = will feature infinite
release delays, making it the ultimate delayed = device not available on the
market today.  Please respond to me with a = feature list you'd like to be
denied of.  We don't have a prototype yet to = speak of, but it will be ready
sometime between tomorrow and the end of your useful = life.  If you'd like to
get an idea of what it's going to look like, please = hit yourself in the head
with a large office machine instead.  The = Againinator will list for US$17.99,
and through group buys you will actually be able to = make money from getting
it, much unlike most of your gigs.  For those = of you that are not musicians,
we also might offer a product based on chickens with = built in wheels that can
be controlled via the internet.

yours truly,

Charley LaRue
Elektros Inc.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C0B172.19D5E450-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 20 14:29:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06221; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:27:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:27:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3AB7AC5C.3F6EDCA8@earthlink.net> References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010319140749.01e2b700@mail.redmoon-music.com> <3AB7AC5C.3F6EDCA8@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:12:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: new moog machine (was) Repeater Update Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm sure Mr. Pulver will have more accurate and up to date info on this... Bob is working on a new performance synth, believe it or not. My question is: Do they have a name for it yet? They were passing around contest entry forms at the January NAMM show. You entered by coming up with a name for Bob's new toy, and if the name was chosen, you win the synth! I haven't even had a chance to fill out the form...did they do the contest yet? any news, Mark? you seem to be the default inside scoop on all things moog. :) Seems like bob is in for tough competition with the new alesis synth...that's a pretty mean looking beast. i've had a chance to mess about with it for just a little while, and i was beating myself up about my lack of understanding of analog signal flow...seems like a very cool board once you could really dig into it. best, rich >Mark Pulver wrote: > >> The Waldorf Q was release a year past it's announce date, the Alesis >> Andromeda was back and forth for 3 years, Bob Moog's new machine will be 18 >> months past the hopeful date. > >re. bob's new machine...ooh. what is this? > >lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 20 14:31:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06383; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:29:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:29:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AB82E18.26B2D65C@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:29:12 -0800 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Elektros Againinator References: <3AB7A9A1.1D6E3DE8@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > Hello loop fans, > > My name is Charley LaRue and I represent a company called Elektros and we're > proud to announce our new product, The Againinator. This new loop tool will > not have any audio features to speak of, but instead will feature infinite > release delays, making it the ultimate delayed device not available on the > market today. Please respond to me with a feature list you'd like to be > denied of. We don't have a prototype yet to speak of, but it will be ready > sometime between tomorrow and the end of your useful life. If you'd like to > get an idea of what it's going to look like, please hit yourself in the head > with a large office machine instead. The Againinator will list for US$17.99, > and through group buys you will actually be able to make money from getting > it, much unlike most of your gigs. For those of you that are not musicians, > we also might offer a product based on chickens with built in wheels that can > be controlled via the internet. > > yours truly, > > Charley LaRue > Elektros Inc. CHARLEY wrote: YOUR AGAININATOR IS CRAP FROM THE BOTTOM TO THE TOP. FIX YOUR ACT DUDE AND WE'LL SEE IF YOU CAN HOLD THE PRESSURE WHEN I'LL SEND YOU THE LOOSER DELUGE DAMNATION IF I CAN SMELL ONE BUG IN THE POWER SUPLY PLEASE LOOSERS, GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER GET SOMETHING SERIOUS FROM LEXIVENTIDE. STOP BEING ATRACTED BY THIS ADOLESCENT WANKER TOY ANTILOOP :=) :=) :=) claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 20 14:32:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06294; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:29:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:29:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AB7AE44.4FF49124@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:36:22 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT new moog design References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010319140749.01e2b700@mail.redmoon-music.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Pulver wrote: > The Waldorf Q was release a year past it's announce date, the Alesis > Andromeda was back and forth for 3 years, Bob Moog's new machine will be 18 > months past the hopeful date. > sorry. i answered my own question i think. i checked http://www.bigbriar.com and found a description of a new analog keyboard synth he's working on...the site says production is slated for this summer... :-) (but i don't mind waiting!) lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 20 14:33:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06429; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:30:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:30:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:28:57 EST Subject: WTB: 8-string Warr. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_fc.3c61101.27e90979_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_fc.3c61101.27e90979_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit im looking for an 8string warr guitar, no speficif woods or anything wanted, email me privately if your looking to sell one rodrigo Kriist@aol.com --part1_fc.3c61101.27e90979_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit im looking for an 8string warr guitar,
no speficif woods or anything wanted,
email me privately if your looking to sell one

rodrigo
Kriist@aol.com --part1_fc.3c61101.27e90979_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 20 14:34:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06601; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:32:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:32:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:22:33 -0800 Subject: Re: Elektros Againinator From: Jamie Drouin To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3AB7A9A1.1D6E3DE8@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Comments like this make all of our hard work seem worthwhile. Thanks for the sunshine, Jamie. on 3/20/01 11:04 AM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > Hello loop fans, > > My name is Charley LaRue and I represent a company called Elektros and we're > proud to announce our new product, The Againinator. This new loop tool will > not have any audio features to speak of, but instead will feature infinite > release delays, making it the ultimate delayed device not available on the > market today. Please respond to me with a feature list you'd like to be > denied of. We don't have a prototype yet to speak of, but it will be ready > sometime between tomorrow and the end of your useful life. If you'd like to > get an idea of what it's going to look like, please hit yourself in the head > with a large office machine instead. The Againinator will list for US$17.99, > and through group buys you will actually be able to make money from getting > it, much unlike most of your gigs. For those of you that are not musicians, > we also might offer a product based on chickens with built in wheels that can > be controlled via the internet. > > yours truly, > > Charley LaRue > Elektros Inc. Jamie Drouin Visual Designer for Electrix (a division of IVL Technologies Ltd) 6710 Bertram Place, Victoria, BC, V8M 1Z6 Canada email... jamie@electrixpro.com fax... 250-544-4102 voice... 250-544-4114 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 20 14:39:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06802; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:37:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:37:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AB7B14F.8696A149@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:36:50 -0500 From: steve Reply-To: studio_t@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Elektros Againinator References: <3AB7A9A1.1D6E3DE8@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I assume your going for humor, kinda missed and ended up somewhere around stupidity, keep in mind what a small market the looping community is in the greater scheme of things and be glad that any manufacturer is paying attention to it, constructive critisism is great and valid complaints are necessary but juvenielle taunts are out of place. electrix is trying to serve you and they make some pretty cool musical tools, if thier not giving you what you want I'm sure they'd love to hear how and why if you can make an intelligent statement imagine the money and effort this co is putting out with no guarantee of return where can I check out some of your music? perhaps you'd enjoy some similar input on your efforts? I like this list cause its generally intelligent, I can go to any BS chatroom for this kind of rant stevie T From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 20 14:43:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06967; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:40:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:40:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010320113547.00a35d90@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:37:37 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: OT new moog design In-Reply-To: <3AB7AE44.4FF49124@earthlink.net> References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010319140749.01e2b700@mail.redmoon-music.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com lance glover (11:36 AM 03/20/01) wrote: >Mark Pulver wrote: > >> The Waldorf Q was release a year past it's announce date, the Alesis >> Andromeda was back and forth for 3 years, Bob Moog's new machine will >> be 18 months past the hopeful date. > >sorry. i answered my own question i think. i checked > >http://www.bigbriar.com > >and found a description of a new analog keyboard synth he's working on... Ahh.... Then I'll kill my long-winded email that I was writing. :) >the site says production is slated for this summer... :-) Yeah... And this was my pop-off yesterday about it. Bob's been talking about this machine for a long time, and product was supposed to be January 2000, but that got held up for various reasons. >(but i don't mind waiting!) :) It's a pretty cool machine. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 20 16:04:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10595; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:01:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:01:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AB7C4CD.AFDB561@altruistmusic.com> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:59:58 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Elektros Againinator References: <3AB7A9A1.1D6E3DE8@zerocrossing.net> <3AB82E18.26B2D65C@vtx.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > YOUR AGAININATOR IS CRAP FROM THE BOTTOM TO THE TOP. FIX YOUR ACT DUDE > AND WE'LL SEE IF YOU CAN HOLD THE > PRESSURE WHEN I'LL SEND YOU THE LOOSER DELUGE DAMNATION IF I CAN SMELL > ONE BUG IN THE POWER SUPLY > > PLEASE LOOSERS, GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER GET SOMETHING SERIOUS FROM > LEXIVENTIDE. STOP BEING ATRACTED BY THIS ADOLESCENT WANKER TOY > > ANTILOOP I'd just like to take this opportunity to present Claude with the "In-Joke Post of the Year" award... --A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 20 16:34:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11249; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:32:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:32:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20010320132025.00c46550@popmail.ucsd.edu> X-Sender: jthornton@popmail.ucsd.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:31:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Roland/Boss In-Reply-To: <200103201931.OAA06528@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From: JohnFlem@aol.com > >Be thankful that Electrix is using this Discussion Group for Feedback. You >won't see Roland/Boss around here looking for suggestions for the Loop >Station. Their R&D is all done in Japan! And this email list can't reach Japan? I think the problem with Roland/Boss in terms of artist feedback has more to do with the size of their company than it has to do with geographical location. I will say that there is a inadequate amount of information provided at the US Roland website, though, especially compared to a website like that of Line 6. How about some PDF manuals? I love being able to browse through a manual, real-life or virtual, before pruchasing a product. --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 20 18:11:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14989; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:10:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:10:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <836AEDC9D836D211B4720001FA7EC2D202A79429@ntemail1-tr.ius.indiana.edu> From: "LEE, THANIEL I" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: good feedback vs. bad feedback, or the revenge of the 10 dollar m icrophone. Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:07:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com has anybody here ever tried to record a record using nothing but microphone noises and feedback. well i am attempting to do so and im wondering if anyone has any sugestions. i like the cold organic tones of feed back and the clicking sound made when the mic gets pluged in or ajusted. i already have one track done its a 25min drone/click/pop/hiss/pulseing epic its called [one] -thaniel ion lee From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 20 18:14:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15174; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:13:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:13:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3AB670D3.BD4704AE@bellsouth.net> References: <27.12741bd5.27e423b1@aol.com> <3AB2D15B.889834A9@bellsouth.net> <3AB670D3.BD4704AE@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:58:41 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: fretless, gratitude- recommended loop box? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for your post, steve. i'm sure i was responding off the cuff, as well. i'm just in a new situation learning guitar and theory. i've been playing close to 20 years now (seriously for about 12), and i'm completely self taught (both in guitar playing, other instruments and electronics). so i'm sitting in my room, studying this stuff that occasionally makes my brain hurt...trying to wrap my head around these ideas...i need time to digest it, then manifest it through my fingers. time is limited enough, plus with a full time job, wife and other priorities....grrrr... and the loopers i have, plus the other toys are sitting there, begging to have their little knobs twirled. often i find it easier to migrate towards them, and get caught up in messing about. i'm also a gear addict making an attempt to kick or at least curb my intake. the theory that i'm learning is difficult for me, but ultimately very rewarding. and it's jus' me and the acoustic guitar. so i'm sure your comment of "don't simplify, buy everything..." hit me wrong, given the headspace i'm in. thanks for your thoughts! and you're right...most all in one boxes do kinda suck, imo. >and to your analogies, if you where looking to put together a good band, >company, family, state or other entity involving multiple people would you want a handful of identical's or a gestalt of mixed talents well, hell, i'd want a handful if identical's...jus' like ME!!! :) i'd try to loop myself and hit multiply...oh, damn, that's right, i don't have an EDP. crap. ah, well perhaps lots of analog copies, each with their own progressive deterioration and interesting artifacts? nah, never mind, the original is scrambled enough... best, rich >I guess it depends on what your thing is, gearheads who dig cars tend to >buy a few and have a couple projects going, I have met people for whom >sex was the only thing that mattered and yes indeed they did subscribe >to that point of view, I admit going thru a phase where I felt like that >myself, if sound is your thing I think trying to simplify may not always >be the best approach and I was responding to someone who I think was >looking for a get one thing that does it all aproach and I think that >will rarely work out. >I think the looking for that ONE piece of gear that will do it for you >is as iffy as the buy everyhting that comes your way approach, and the >scariest part to me is that everyone gets these do it all boxes and all >start to sound the same, sometimes taking the time to learn the deeper >aspects of the tools you already have can produce some suprising and >pleasing results, and in the sound realm simplicity can be powerful but >I know many will aggree that sound manipulation can be fun no matter >how complex it gets > >and to your analogies, if you where looking to put together a good band, >company, family, state or other entity involving multiple people would >you want a handful of identical's or a gestalt of mixed talents > >perhaps I was too off the cuff, how bout this; > >the middle road is usually best >don't over-simplify >explore your gear >seek out the sound in your heart regardless of how simple or complex the >road to it is > >send me any gear that is vexxing you and I will use it! > >peace, steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 20 18:32:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15495; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:29:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:29:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.253.195.194] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: good feedback vs. bad feedback, or the revenge of the 10 dollar m icrophone. Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:27:18 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2001 23:27:18.0879 (UTC) FILETIME=[4E54AEF0:01C0B195] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Check out Pendulum Music by the composer Steve Reich. Basically, it's just 2 microphones swinging over a speaker. You'll find him in the classical section of most record stores. Matt >From: "LEE, THANIEL I" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: good feedback vs. bad feedback, or the revenge of the 10 dollar m >icrophone. >Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:07:37 -0500 > >has anybody here ever tried to record a record using nothing but microphone >noises and feedback. well i am attempting to do so and im wondering if >anyone has any sugestions. i like the cold organic tones of feed back and >the clicking sound made when the mic gets pluged in or ajusted. i already >have one track done its a 25min drone/click/pop/hiss/pulseing epic its >called [one] -thaniel ion lee > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 20 18:43:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15817; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:41:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:41:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e701c0b196$83d8ad00$6b44230a@mlameyer02> X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <836AEDC9D836D211B4720001FA7EC2D202A79429@ntemail1-tr.ius.indiana.edu> Subject: Re: good feedback vs. bad feedback, or the revenge of the 10 dollar microphone. Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:35:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Far out! Um, just off the cuff: Ok, 1) run mic into mixer with at least two stereo outputs (four mono, whatever) 2) run mixer output into TWO different pairs of speakers (4 total or hell as many speakers as you want) 3) place speaker pairs distinctly apart from each other, or just f**k around and place em wherever you want 4) wad yer ears but GOOD, wrap a blanket around your head, etc 5) put on some comfy slippers, grab that mic and do the distributed speaker feedback shuffle, dance around the room, wave your hands in the air, basically just play with mic proximity relative to the speakers and wait for someone to call the cops (and then sample the sirens as they come up the street of course - if you can also sample the neighbor shouting at you, that's good too) 6) if you can eq each of the speaker outputs separately, definitely do that Options: - use a pitch shifter or harmonizer? obviously this could be dangerous and/or ineffective, depending on how you patch the signal chain (use limiters here?) - Ooo, and my favorite, use triggered gates to chop up the feedback signal (or use the mic clicking noises, ungated or not), delay the wet signal from that, and loop it in realtime. Woohoo! Glad you're not MY nextdoor neighbor ;-) - if you can somehow control (i.e. sweep pedal or switch) or automate panning to the different speakers, you might get interesting variations from that as well BTW, you're a twisted mf, can't wait to hear what you come up with ... Cheerfully, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "LEE, THANIEL I" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 6:07 PM Subject: good feedback vs. bad feedback, or the revenge of the 10 dollar microphone. > has anybody here ever tried to record a record using nothing but microphone > noises and feedback. well i am attempting to do so and im wondering if > anyone has any sugestions. i like the cold organic tones of feed back and > the clicking sound made when the mic gets pluged in or ajusted. i already > have one track done its a 25min drone/click/pop/hiss/pulseing epic its > called [one] -thaniel ion lee > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 20 18:59:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16095; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:48:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:48:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: Elektros Againinator Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:52:33 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <-assNB.A.46D.Lw-t6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can see some humor in this, although I was disappointed that Charley didn't tell us where we'll be able to buy an Againinator - should we just assume that it will be available at all of the finer music stores that have not yet opened for business? I'm glad Electrix can see the humor too. Ultimately, we're all part of the same team I think. Thanks especially to you, Jamie, for having the courage and maturity (and sense of humor) to not perceive this as some sort of personal affront. We all know that someday - some as yet undefined day perhaps very, very far into the future - Electrix will have the last laugh. ;-) Kevin > Comments like this make all of our hard work seem worthwhile. > > > Thanks for the sunshine, > Jamie. > > > > on 3/20/01 11:04 AM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > > > Hello loop fans, > > > > My name is Charley LaRue and I represent a company called > Elektros and we're > > proud to announce our new product, The Againinator. This new > loop tool will > > not have any audio features to speak of, but instead will > feature infinite > > release delays, making it the ultimate delayed device not > available on the > > market today. Please respond to me with a feature list you'd like to be > > denied of. We don't have a prototype yet to speak of, but it > will be ready > > sometime between tomorrow and the end of your useful life. If > you'd like to > > get an idea of what it's going to look like, please hit > yourself in the head > > with a large office machine instead. The Againinator will list > for US$17.99, > > and through group buys you will actually be able to make money > from getting > > it, much unlike most of your gigs. For those of you that are > not musicians, > > we also might offer a product based on chickens with built in > wheels that can > > be controlled via the internet. > > > > yours truly, > > > > Charley LaRue > > Elektros Inc. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 20 18:59:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16097; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:48:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:48:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:41:19 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: good feedback vs. bad feedback, or the revenge of the 10 dollar microphone. In-reply-to: <836AEDC9D836D211B4720001FA7EC2D202A79429@ntemail1-tr.ius.indiana.edu> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: <836AEDC9D836D211B4720001FA7EC2D202A79429@ntemail1-tr.ius.indiana.edu> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:07 PM -0500 3/20/01, LEE, THANIEL I wrote: >has anybody here ever tried to record a record using nothing but microphone >noises and feedback. well i am attempting to do so and im wondering if >anyone has any sugestions. i like the cold organic tones of feed back and >the clicking sound made when the mic gets pluged in or ajusted. i already >have one track done its a 25min drone/click/pop/hiss/pulseing epic its >called [one] -thaniel ion lee The behavior and tonal characteristics of feedback are dependent such things as the resonant characteristics of the acoustic (or virtual acoustic) space it inhabits and the transfer functions of the transducers the signal passes through. You can play around with the use of different microphones, different loudspeakers, different rooms, and the use of filters, reverbs, and other signal processors. It's interesting to set up a sound system with multiple microphones and multiple speakers in a naturally reverberant space and then play around with the mixer levels. You can do a similar thing by crosscoupling feedback paths within a mixer but substituting multiple reverb units for the physcial room. I did some interesting work a while back with feedback and a Fairlight Voicetracker pitch-to-MIDI convertor. A microphone fed the Voicetracker and the Voicetracker controlled a synthesizer. The synthesizer sound was fed through a digital reverb with a rather long decay time and that was fed into the room through a set of loudspeakers. Because the reverb time was long, there was a phenomenon I call "resonance memory" - certain pitch resonances would build up in the reverb and be detected by the Voicetracker. If several different pitches were sounding at once, then Voicetracker would jump from one to another in often interesting ways. The first piece I did like this used one hand held microphone. I initiated the process by making one short vocal sound into the mic and then I waved the mic slowly through the speaker's sound field. I did several passes, with different synthesizer sounds on each track, so there was a kind of organic growth process as each new track added to the source material for the Voicetracker process. I also worked with acoustic instrumentalists and a singer, using several mics sent via the mixer's aux send to the Voicetracker. The main signal "heard" by the Voicetracker came from whichever instrument or voice was being fed to it at the time, but there was also some bleed-through of the reverberated synthesizer sound. One particularly interesting effect came from miking a marimba with two mics. The percussionist played sustained tremolos and varied the harmonic intervals. This generated some interesting arpeggiations. Another interesting effect came from solo bassoon. This instrument can often "lose" its fundamental frequency, with most of the timbre coming from the overtones. The player could control these timbral changes and achieved a fine degree of control over the response of the Voicetracker. I realize these pitch-to-MIDI techniques are somewhat removed from your initial query about feedback, but there IS a certain conceptual and physical acoustics commonality. Also, on feedback music: I recall that a few years ago Neil Young did a limited edition CD compilation of guitar feedback from live gigs. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 20 19:41:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18112; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:39:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:39:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c0b19d$1118e580$8f0d1a3f@oemcomputer> From: "become_1" To: References: <3AB58B12.4D2F3DD3@virtulink.com> Subject: Re: fretless looping guitars Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:22:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Mar 2001 00:38:13.0090 (UTC) FILETIME=[3609C420:01C0B19F] Resent-Message-ID: <2D-7xC.A.gaE.Ug_t6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This thread seems to be running out, but I wanted to ask if anyone has any experience with the fretless Moses graphite necks. They do replacements for Steinbergers, and I was wondering about getting a fretless one for my Spirit--a lot more expensive that diy, for sure, but presumably no dead spots and good sustain..... ----- Original Message ----- From: David Beardsley To: Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 11:29 PM Subject: Re: fretless looping guitars > Paolo Valladolid wrote: > > > I too am fine, btw, with the rosewood fingerboard of my Fernandes. It does > > have some dead spots, though. I guess having a fingerboard made of a harder > > substance such as glass or steel (as found on Vigier's fretless guitar > > The Viger isn't steel, it's some kind of alloy, like > aluminum. They wouldn't tell me what it is. Much > lighter than steel, but the guitar weighed a ton > and cost much more than the G&L-Freenote guitar. > I've got one (G&L/Freenote), check out http://microtones.com > I imagine that a glass fingerboard might be nice, > Ned told me they aren't fragile, but I have my doubts. > Of course, the glass could be something like Corning Ware. > But given how necks flex with the weather, I wonder how > a glass fingerboard would stay bonded to a wood > neck changing with the seasons. > > The Freenote treatment is some kind of hard plastic. > No dead spots - the high .010 doesn't sustain was well > as the other strings, but with a bit of volume > it does just fine. > > nada brahma, > db > > -- > * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y > * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" > * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm > * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 20 20:16:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19952; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:13:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:13:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <73.bfcd1c6.27e95998@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:10:48 EST Subject: Re: Endless Repeater Updates... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com martins@pwdu.demon.co.uk writes: >this is a board for and about loopers >and looping products (that exist) !wow! really?!? sigh..... dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 20 20:23:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20290; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:22:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:22:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:18:51 EST Subject: Re: Endless Repeater Updates... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com kmulvihill@mediaone.net writes: >Nobody really knows how good this product will actually be when it ships not truth, spoken there, but personal speculation..... dt / splintershell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 20 20:58:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20887; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:56:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:56:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <836AEDC9D836D211B4720001FA7EC2D202A79429@ntemail1-tr.ius.indiana.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 17:53:14 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: good feedback vs. bad feedback, or the revenge of the 10 dollar microphone. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Also, on feedback music: I recall that a few years ago Neil Young >did a limited edition CD compilation of guitar feedback from live >gigs. Funny you should mention that, I found and played "Arc" while cleaning the basement last weekend. Akin to pitch-tracking feedback, I did a dance piece with wireless lavaliers hidden in the sleeves of a dancer, and small speakers sitting on ladders on stage. The mics fed an Eventide H3000 in diatonic shift mode, with a more or less random scale programmed in. The H3000 output went through a limiter and out to the speakers. So when a mic came close enough to the speaker to feedback, the harmonizer guessed at the pitch of the feedback, which triggered a change in the pitch shift interval, which changed the tone of the feedback....you get the idea. The best part was that although the sound was pretty standard abstract modern dance electronic noodling, it was unusually responsive to movement-- the interactivity wasn't lost on the audience as it so often is in these situations. Also don't forget the (in)famous Robert Ashley feedback piece Wolfman. I believe people on this list have performed that one? If memory serves it was a popular choice on the lunchtime radio show "Torture Time" that my old pals Steve Fisk and Steve Peters used to do on KAOS-FM. That was the show that routinely caused the school's maintenance engineers to run over thinking the transmitter had blown up. -Alex From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 20 21:36:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22829; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:35:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:35:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.28.19.32] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: moog's new keyboard Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:33:35 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Mar 2001 02:33:35.0789 (UTC) FILETIME=[5449CDD0:01C0B1AF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sorry. i answered my own question i think. i checkedhttp://www.bigbriar.com and found a description of a new analog keyboard synth he's working on...thesite says production is slated for this summer... :-) This is exciting news indeed. Not the slated production date, but the keyboard itself. I love the "open system architecture" and multiple interfaces (breath, touchpad, etc.) ideas. I hope it can take external signals as input. Thanks, Paolo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 20 21:43:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23052; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:42:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:42:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010320184012.02049ae0@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:41:33 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: moog's new keyboard In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Paolo Valladolid (06:33 PM 03/20/01) wrote: >I hope it can take external signals as input. Oh yeup it can. It's also fun to note that *EVERYTHING* on this machine is voltage controlled. Attack time, LFO speed, Oscillator waveshape... Bob has a lot of fun expansion plans for the box... :) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 20 22:36:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25105; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:34:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:34:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: JohnFlem@aol.com Message-ID: <53.3e2ef78.27e97afa@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:33:14 EST Subject: Re: Roland/Boss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have talked to alot of Roland People about this problem....It has NOTHING to do with Geography or the size of the company. They just "don't do it that way" (Direct Quote). I bought their first Hard Disk Recorder ($15K yikes) and the Software and Manuals were so bad...oh well, they still come up with great products and I keep giving them my money. Just wish they would take suggestions. JMP In a message dated 3/20/01 7:59:12 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: << >From: JohnFlem@aol.com > >>Be thankful that Electrix is using this Discussion Group for Feedback. You >>won't see Roland/Boss around here looking for suggestions for the Loop >>Station. Their R&D is all done in Japan! >And this email list can't reach Japan? I think the problem with >Roland/Boss in terms of artist feedback has more to do with the size of >their company than it has to do with geographical location. >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 20 22:42:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25283; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:41:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:41:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:39:47 -0500 Subject: Re: good feedback vs. bad feedback, or the revenge of the 10 dollar microphone. From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Very cool stuff, Richard. BTW, I'd love to hear of a source of the mentioned Neil Young CD! Anyone? David Lee Myers http://www.pulsewidth.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Ourobouros" CD of new Feedback Music available now on Pulsewidth! In NYC at Downtown Music, Kim's Mondo, and Other Music, and through Forced Exposure, Anomalous, Wayside, Electronic Music Foundation, Recommended, and Staalplaat. on 3/20/01 6:41 PM, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote: > The behavior and tonal characteristics of feedback are dependent such > things as the resonant characteristics of the acoustic (or virtual > acoustic) space it inhabits and the transfer functions of the > transducers the signal passes through. You can play around with the > use of different microphones, different loudspeakers, different > rooms, and the use of filters, reverbs, and other signal processors. > It's interesting to set up a sound system with multiple microphones > and multiple speakers in a naturally reverberant space and then play > around with the mixer levels. You can do a similar thing by > crosscoupling feedback paths within a mixer but substituting multiple > reverb units for the physcial room. > > I did some interesting work a while back with feedback and a > Fairlight Voicetracker pitch-to-MIDI convertor. A microphone fed the > Voicetracker and the Voicetracker controlled a synthesizer. The > synthesizer sound was fed through a digital reverb with a rather long > decay time and that was fed into the room through a set of > loudspeakers. Because the reverb time was long, there was a > phenomenon I call "resonance memory" - certain pitch resonances would > build up in the reverb and be detected by the Voicetracker. If > several different pitches were sounding at once, then Voicetracker > would jump from one to another in often interesting ways. The first > piece I did like this used one hand held microphone. I initiated the > process by making one short vocal sound into the mic and then I waved > the mic slowly through the speaker's sound field. I did several > passes, with different synthesizer sounds on each track, so there was > a kind of organic growth process as each new track added to the > source material for the Voicetracker process. > > I also worked with acoustic instrumentalists and a singer, using > several mics sent via the mixer's aux send to the Voicetracker. The > main signal "heard" by the Voicetracker came from whichever > instrument or voice was being fed to it at the time, but there was > also some bleed-through of the reverberated synthesizer sound. One > particularly interesting effect came from miking a marimba with two > mics. The percussionist played sustained tremolos and varied the > harmonic intervals. This generated some interesting arpeggiations. > Another interesting effect came from solo bassoon. This instrument > can often "lose" its fundamental frequency, with most of the timbre > coming from the overtones. The player could control these timbral > changes and achieved a fine degree of control over the response of > the Voicetracker. > > > I realize these pitch-to-MIDI techniques are somewhat removed from > your initial query about feedback, but there IS a certain conceptual > and physical acoustics commonality. > > > Also, on feedback music: I recall that a few years ago Neil Young > did a limited edition CD compilation of guitar feedback from live > gigs. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 20 22:46:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25444; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:44:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:44:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <53.3e2ef78.27e97afa@aol.com> References: <53.3e2ef78.27e97afa@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:42:47 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Roland/Boss Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <_1UqMC.A.1MG.-MCu6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I have talked to alot of Roland People about this problem....It has NOTHING >to do with Geography or the size of the company. They just "don't do it that >way" (Direct Quote). I bought their first Hard Disk Recorder ($15K yikes) >and the Software and Manuals were so bad...oh well, they still come up with >great products and I keep giving them my money. Just wish they would take >suggestions. I might buy a LOT more of their stuff -- if it was clear how to use it. /t ...electronic a cappella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 20 22:46:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25476; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:45:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:45:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010321034244.47749.qmail@web12506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:42:44 -0800 (PST) From: Earache Subject: > wada ya think of this? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greets! If you get a spare moment, please check out my new material at: http://www.mp3.com/GenghisCrayon Feel free to send me your critiques. If you have similar music of your own that needs criticism/reviews please let me know and I can return the favor. Thanks, earache ===== earache@rocketmail.com http://www.mp3.com/GenghisCrayon http://www.mp3.com/astrix http://www.mp3.com/spiderlung __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 20 23:19:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27194; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 23:18:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 23:18:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Anthony.Hancock@ing.com.au X-Lotus-FromDomain: ING-MM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <4A256A16.001A224D.00@ingsydhog2.mercantilemutual.com.au> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:41:01 +1000 Subject: Re: Roland/Boss Loop station Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'm new so forgive me if this is old hat... with the Boss RC20 - how much sample time can be used for a sample....I'm sure you can't put a 5 1/2 minute sample in it. does anyone know what the sample block is.. Cheers, Anthony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 21 03:00:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01337; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 02:54:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 02:54:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200103210753.XAA23173@falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 23:55:33 -0700 Subject: Re: good feedback vs. bad feedback, or the revenge of the 10 dollar microphone. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com dont know where to find it but as an avid from way the hell back, i *luv* that cd! (and as someone said awhile ago on these pages-loopin and feedback are really one and the same) stanner ---------- >From: David Myers >To: >Subject: Re: good feedback vs. bad feedback, or the revenge of the 10 dollar microphone. >Date: Tue, Mar 20, 2001, 8:39 PM > >Very cool stuff, Richard. BTW, I'd love to hear of a source of the >mentioned Neil Young CD! Anyone? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 21 03:34:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA02789; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 03:31:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 03:31:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010321083028.3498.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 00:30:28 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: Re: new moog machine To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- rich wrote: > Seems like bob is in for tough competition with the new alesis > synth...that's a pretty mean looking beast. Bob Moog is an originator and pioneer in making precision instruments for modern analog electronic sound creation and modification, even before synths (moog theremins from the 1950's to now). There are sublties to the analog electronic's realm, that are sometimes ignored (to sonic detrement) by less experienced designers. Moog is a master of these sublties. My money's on Moog. bret __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 21 05:53:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA06248; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 05:52:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 05:52:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 05:51:05 -0500 Subject: Re: Elektros Againinator Message-ID: <20010321.055106.-1367099.1.aiwaz93@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3,5,7-10,12,14,16,18,20-23,25,27,29-33 From: David J Greiner Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings, Good one Mr. Sorrilaro, I laughed my ass off. Some folks on this list need to lighten up. A) I think Mark's post makes a good point about Vapor Wear. I've been playing synths and with other electronic music equipment since I was 15, I'm 23 now and I've saved up money and even put deposits down on so much equipment that never materialized it's ridiculous. B) Anyone who thinks Manufacturers gives a rats ass about any particuilar genere of music obviously smokes crack. All companies (save very few select individuals in the companies) are in it to make money. Products are oriented towards what they think is going to be a profitable venture. I.e. Techno/Dance and it's other related fields are THE thing right now, so every single product that comes out (it seems) is "Groove Approved." I was just disappointed to find out that the new FM Synth that Yamaha is releasing is of the MC-505/ Electribe style :( (Sorry personal bitch) So anyhow, to get back on my rant, if anyone honestly thinks any manufacturer deserves our patience...BS. If they want patience don't announce a product a year before release, then scrap it because electro-ambient-blue grass becomes the new "Big Thing".... Later, -David- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 21 11:19:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16134; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:13:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:13:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:12:29 -0500 Subject: Re: good feedback vs. bad feedback, or the revenge of the 10 dollar microphone. From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200103210753.XAA23173@falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 3/21/01 1:55 AM, stanitarium@earthlink.net at stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: > dont know where to find it but as an avid from way the > hell back, i *luv* that cd! Is it titled? Would help in trying to find it... > (and as someone said awhile ago on these pages-loopin and feedback are > really one and the same) > stanner Pretty sure it was me... 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------=_NextPart_000_00DF_01C0B1EA.8752FB80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 21 13:02:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20351; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:00:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:00:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <836AEDC9D836D211B4720001FA7EC2D202A7942C@ntemail1-tr.ius.indiana.edu> From: "LEE, THANIEL I" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: feedback part2 the microphone checker strikes back Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 12:58:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com um, i like feed back, i also like the amplification of quiet sounds. last sunday keenan lawler let me hear a guy named pole, pole uses the sound of records popping and hissing. he amplifies them until they sound like percusion and/or melody, i thought it sounded pretty, but im a freak. a couple weeks ago i was trying to get a good recording of speaker hums. i think the sounds my fridge makes are pretty i like the low fluxuating humming sound it makes at night. i also like the sound of a empty office flouresent lights make a wonderfully strange hum. copy machines make dancable beats, so do old dot matrix printers, and people walking on hard wood floors. dont even get me started on the symphony of sound in the check out lanes at grochery stores [beep, beep, cart noises, beep, beep, credit card sweep, beep beep, coupon check pricee check, beep, recept, your total is beep] now thats what i call techno. -thaniel ion lee From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 21 13:09:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20724; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:07:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:07:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:56:52 -0800 Subject: Re: Elektros Againinator From: Jamie Drouin To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20010321.055106.-1367099.1.aiwaz93@juno.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 3/21/01 2:51 AM, David J Greiner at aiwaz93@juno.com wrote: > B) Anyone who thinks Manufacturers gives a rats ass about any particuilar > genere of music obviously smokes crack. I think that if you actually met the people involved in Electrix, you'd have a very different opinion. We are a small group of artists, engineers and musicians (of various genres: techno, funk, experimental, rock, etc) who are doing our best to enhance the creative process by designing tools that inspire us (and hopefully others). Of course, there are many levels to an organization, and the money aspect plays a part in many of them, I won't deny that, but it certainly isn't the primary factor behind what we're about. Regards, Jamie. Jamie Drouin Visual Designer for Electrix (a division of IVL Technologies Ltd) 6710 Bertram Place, Victoria, BC, V8M 1Z6 Canada email... jamie@electrixpro.com fax... 250-544-4102 voice... 250-544-4114 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 21 13:14:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20883; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:12:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:12:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000001c0b275$2324b5a0$6abc6fd4@dolly> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <836AEDC9D836D211B4720001FA7EC2D202A79429@ntemail1-tr.ius.indiana.edu> Subject: Re: good feedback vs. bad feedback, or the revenge of the 10 dollar microphone. Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 06:46:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <_WMgFB.A.4FF.g6Ou6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'd suggest 2 things :- 1 Place a compressor/limiter in the feedback chain. This will prevent uncontrollable noises and help bring out more subtle sounds that would otherwise be masked. 2 If you can put some sort of frequency filter, (graphic eq, tone control etc) in the feedback pat this is great fun to mess about with. 3, (1 know !) Use a looper to build structure and trap the interesting stuff. I use Kyma in a similar configuration often with signal processing in multiple feedback loop paths and I reckon this will keep me occupied for many years to come : ) > has anybody here ever tried to record a record using nothing but microphone > noises and feedback. well i am attempting to do so and im wondering if > anyone has any sugestions. i like the cold organic tones of feed back and > the clicking sound made when the mic gets pluged in or ajusted. i already > have one track done its a 25min drone/click/pop/hiss/pulseing epic its > called [one] -thaniel ion lee > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 21 13:31:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21237; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:30:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:30:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Sender: simran@phys-ha2mpkb-16.Eng.Sun.COM Message-ID: <3AB8F304.7ACFF1ED@Sun.COM> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:29:24 -0800 From: Simran gleason Organization: Sun Microsystems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.7 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: feedback part2 the microphone checker strikes back Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey! this is really cool. I'm also way into environmental noises, and often find myself singing along (I do throat singing drones, so it's easy to harmonize with a bathroom fan or cetera). I once heard an experimental ensemble in SF use a dot matrix printer as part of the rhythm section. They had different files to print out for each song. I'm sure you've checked out Bjork's movie Dancing in the Dark. For me the best part was very early when I realized that all the machine sounds inthe factory were going in rhythm. This was somewhat subtle and happened before they came to the front of the mix for one of the shmaltzy dance numbers. Simran ps: have you tried going to the store with binaural stealth microphones in your glasses and a minidisc recorder in your pocket, like a clandestine taper? -thaniel ion lee writes: >... i >think the sounds my fridge makes are pretty i like the low fluxuating >humming sound it makes at night. i also like the sound of a empty office >flouresent lights make a wonderfully strange hum. copy machines make >dancable beats, so do old dot matrix printers, and people walking on hard >wood floors. dont even get me started on the symphony of sound in the check >out lanes at grochery stores [beep, beep, cart noises, beep, beep, credit >card sweep, beep beep, coupon check pricee check, beep, recept, your total >is beep] now thats what i call techno. -thaniel ion lee From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 21 13:34:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21593; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:32:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:32:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.16.219.10] From: "Pete Mundt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: feedback part2 the microphone checker strikes back Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:30:45 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Mar 2001 18:30:45.0736 (UTC) FILETIME=[0B344680:01C0B235] Resent-Message-ID: <0F9Z5D.A.TMF.0NPu6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >think the sounds my fridge makes are pretty i like the low fluxuating >humming sound it makes at night. i also like the sound of a empty office >flouresent lights make a wonderfully strange hum. copy machines make >dancable beats, so do old dot matrix printers, and people walking on hard >wood floors. You may be interested... http://theuser.silophone.net/dotmatrix/en/intro.html This is a very cool project that I think may be right up your alley! Enjoy, Pete. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 21 13:49:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22061; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:47:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:47:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.253.195.194] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: feedback part2 the microphone checker strikes back Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:45:40 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Mar 2001 18:45:41.0146 (UTC) FILETIME=[20E8FFA0:01C0B237] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You make it sound so lonely! Seriously, there are lots of people out there who share your musical interests. You could probably fill a large city with us. We're just spread out, that's all. Check out these artists N.U. Unruh - he's a former member of Einsturzende Neubauten. He just put out a gold-colored CD this year of music made entirely from the sound of office machines like dot matrix printers, phones, fax machines, and the like. Steve Rodan - I just got a CD of his called "View". The idea of this was to musically represent the view out the window of a certain art gallery. He placed microphones near the window on four different days, and drastically altered the results to create new music. Here's an interesting little tidbit - on some of the days, the recordings were made with the windows closed. Rodan even came up with the term "lowercase sound" to describe music involving many of the quieter elements you described. There is a 'lowercase' email forum somewhere in Yahoo Groups. Philip Jeck - I have a CD of his called "Vinyl Coda I-III". Basically he creates compositions using up to 150 turntables. He uses glue to make locked grooves, so the music is very loopy. It focuses as much on the clicks and pops of vinyl as the actual sound on the discs. www.mp3.com/field_recordings - haha, I had to plug it here. I built this page for musicians creating entirely from field recordings and natural/urban sounds. Anybody can contribute a piece - the rules are posted on the page. Sometime in the next week, I'll be building an mp3.com radio station for the genre also. That's all I can think of at this particular moment, while I'm at work. I can offer more upon request. Matt Davignon >From: "LEE, THANIEL I" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: feedback part2 the microphone checker strikes back >Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 12:58:28 -0500 > >um, i like feed back, i also like the amplification of quiet sounds. last >sunday keenan lawler let me hear a guy named pole, pole uses the sound of >records popping and hissing. he amplifies them until they sound like >percusion and/or melody, i thought it sounded pretty, but im a freak. a >couple weeks ago i was trying to get a good recording of speaker hums. i >think the sounds my fridge makes are pretty i like the low fluxuating >humming sound it makes at night. i also like the sound of a empty office >flouresent lights make a wonderfully strange hum. copy machines make >dancable beats, so do old dot matrix printers, and people walking on hard >wood floors. dont even get me started on the symphony of sound in the check >out lanes at grochery stores [beep, beep, cart noises, beep, beep, credit >card sweep, beep beep, coupon check pricee check, beep, recept, your total >is beep] now thats what i call techno. -thaniel ion lee > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 21 14:07:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23606; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:04:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:04:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:47:42 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Elektros Againinator In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:56 AM -0800 3/21/01, Jamie Drouin wrote: > I think that if you actually met the people involved in Electrix, you'd >have a very different opinion. I've dropped by the Electrix booth at several trade shows and have had in-depth discussions about functionality, interface design, etc. with several of the team. I got the clear impression of a small company whose people believe in their products. It's important also to remember that Electrix is a brand of IVL Technologies Ltd., a company with a long history of design for such manufacturers as Digitech, Yamaha, and tc electronic. I already own the three full-width processors and am very impressed by the thought given to their musical performance attributes. There are good, solid design ideas on many levels: user interface functions, visual "look" (from the units themselves right down to the boxes they come in), MIDI implementation. The chassis are rugged and are shaped to provide maximum panel space in a compact unit that can be rack mounted or can sit on a table top with a nice ergonomic tilt. Kudos! -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 21 14:13:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23799; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:12:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:12:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.253.195.194] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bjork Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:10:36 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Mar 2001 19:10:36.0104 (UTC) FILETIME=[9BF97C80:01C0B23A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com About a year ago, news was going around that members of Matmos and Lesser were hired to produce "Bjork's next album". Having heard a few tracks from it, it sounds like "Dancer in the Dark" may be that album. Can anybody confirm or debunk that? >From: Simran gleason >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: feedback part2 the microphone checker strikes back >Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:29:24 -0800 > > >Hey! this is really cool. I'm also way into environmental noises, and >often find >myself singing along (I do throat singing drones, so it's easy to >harmonize with >a bathroom fan or cetera). I once heard an experimental ensemble in SF >use a dot >matrix printer as part of the rhythm section. They had different files >to print out >for each song. I'm sure you've checked out Bjork's movie Dancing in the >Dark. For >me the best part was very early when I realized that all the machine >sounds inthe factory >were going in rhythm. This was somewhat subtle and happened before they >came to the front of >the mix for one of the shmaltzy dance numbers. > >Simran > >ps: have you tried going to the store with binaural stealth microphones > in your glasses and a minidisc recorder in your pocket, like a > clandestine taper? > >-thaniel ion lee writes: > >... i > >think the sounds my fridge makes are pretty i like the low fluxuating > >humming sound it makes at night. i also like the sound of a empty office > >flouresent lights make a wonderfully strange hum. copy machines make > >dancable beats, so do old dot matrix printers, and people walking on hard > >wood floors. dont even get me started on the symphony of sound in the >check > >out lanes at grochery stores [beep, beep, cart noises, beep, beep, credit > >card sweep, beep beep, coupon check pricee check, beep, recept, your >total > >is beep] now thats what i call techno. -thaniel ion lee > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 21 14:20:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24069; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:19:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:19:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <836AEDC9D836D211B4720001FA7EC2D202A7942F@ntemail1-tr.ius.indiana.edu> From: "LEE, THANIEL I" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: bjork Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:17:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com who knows, but matmos will be bjorks opening act on her next tour, and theyll be a part of her back up band to -thaniel ion lee -----Original Message----- From: matt davignon [mailto:mattdavignon@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 2:11 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bjork About a year ago, news was going around that members of Matmos and Lesser were hired to produce "Bjork's next album". Having heard a few tracks from it, it sounds like "Dancer in the Dark" may be that album. Can anybody confirm or debunk that? >From: Simran gleason >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: feedback part2 the microphone checker strikes back >Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:29:24 -0800 > > >Hey! this is really cool. I'm also way into environmental noises, and >often find >myself singing along (I do throat singing drones, so it's easy to >harmonize with >a bathroom fan or cetera). I once heard an experimental ensemble in SF >use a dot >matrix printer as part of the rhythm section. They had different files >to print out >for each song. I'm sure you've checked out Bjork's movie Dancing in the >Dark. For >me the best part was very early when I realized that all the machine >sounds inthe factory >were going in rhythm. This was somewhat subtle and happened before they >came to the front of >the mix for one of the shmaltzy dance numbers. > >Simran > >ps: have you tried going to the store with binaural stealth microphones > in your glasses and a minidisc recorder in your pocket, like a > clandestine taper? > >-thaniel ion lee writes: > >... i > >think the sounds my fridge makes are pretty i like the low fluxuating > >humming sound it makes at night. i also like the sound of a empty office > >flouresent lights make a wonderfully strange hum. copy machines make > >dancable beats, so do old dot matrix printers, and people walking on hard > >wood floors. dont even get me started on the symphony of sound in the >check > >out lanes at grochery stores [beep, beep, cart noises, beep, beep, credit > >card sweep, beep beep, coupon check pricee check, beep, recept, your >total > >is beep] now thats what i call techno. -thaniel ion lee > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 21 14:27:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24545; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:25:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:25:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:06:26 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: feedback part2 the microphone checker strikes back In-reply-to: <836AEDC9D836D211B4720001FA7EC2D202A7942C@ntemail1-tr.ius.indiana.edu> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: <836AEDC9D836D211B4720001FA7EC2D202A7942C@ntemail1-tr.ius.indiana.edu> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:58 PM -0500 3/21/01, LEE, THANIEL I wrote: >i think the sounds my fridge makes are pretty i like the low fluxuating >humming sound it makes at night. i also like the sound of a empty office >flouresent lights make a wonderfully strange hum. copy machines make >dancable beats, so do old dot matrix printers, and people walking on hard >wood floors. At 10:29 AM -0800 3/21/01, Simran gleason wrote: >often find myself singing along (I do throat singing drones, so it's easy to >harmonize with a bathroom fan or cetera). When I was in graduate school I participated in composer Robert Erickson's legendary Timbre Seminar. On the first day of class he handed out a chart of the Fletcher-Munson curves that included a reference to the pitches ranges of common orchestral instruments, and he suggested that we all carry pitch pipes with us at all times. Over the ensuing weeks I found myself listening with new ears, picking out the overtone structures of everything from leaf blowers and lawn mowers to air conditioners and refrigerators. I especially enjoy the sound of two leaf blowers of similar, but not identical, pitch as they beat against each other. Another class of sounds that Erickson enjoyed was what he called "rustle sounds," a category including fallen leaves moving before the breeze, the crinkling of aluminum foil, an so on. I was at a concert the other day in which one solo performer played a small plastic bag as a brief interlude - no amplification, just gentle manipulation of the crumpled up bag to create a soft susurration. Erickson's book, "Sound Structure in Music," is an outgrowth of his investigations of musical timbre and of his seminar in the music department at UCSD. Out of print, unfortunately, but probably available at any decent music library. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 21 15:35:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27442; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:33:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:33:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200103212030.MAA22006@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 12:31:49 -0700 Subject: Re: good feedback vs. bad feedback, or the revenge of the 10 dollar microphone. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well i was talkin about "arc'by 'neil young&crazyhorse' thats what you are talkin about right? its on 'reprise records' from 1991. #<9 26769-2> ---------- >From: David Myers >To: >Subject: Re: good feedback vs. bad feedback, or the revenge of the 10 dollar microphone. >Date: Wed, Mar 21, 2001, 9:12 AM > >on 3/21/01 1:55 AM, stanitarium@earthlink.net at stanitarium@earthlink.net >wrote: > >> dont know where to find it but as an avid from way the >> hell back, i *luv* that cd! > >Is it titled? Would help in trying to find it... > >> (and as someone said awhile ago on these pages-loopin and feedback are >> really one and the same) > >> stanner > >Pretty sure it was me... > >David Lee Myers > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 21 15:44:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27863; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:42:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:42:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010321204200.17065.qmail@web5103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 12:42:00 -0800 (PST) From: Alx Subject: Re: good feedback vs. bad feedback, or the revenge of the 10 dollar microphone. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Richard Zvonar wrote: > I did some interesting work a while back with > feedback and a > Fairlight Voicetracker pitch-to-MIDI convertor. Really interesting post, because of this kind of info itīs why I like this list, anyways, is there a way/web site where I can hear some of this music experimentation online? Alx __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 21 16:09:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29478; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:07:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:07:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [205.174.185.114] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Elektros Againinator Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:05:48 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Mar 2001 21:05:49.0118 (UTC) FILETIME=[B473B5E0:01C0B24A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The moral of this thread: Don't put down deposit money for something that doesn't exist. :) Paolo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 21 16:34:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30055; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:28:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:28:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:26:10 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Elektros Againinator In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:05 PM -0500 3/21/01, Paolo Valladolid wrote: >The moral of this thread: > >Don't put down deposit money for something that doesn't exist. :) I don't get it...has this actually been happening to people on this list? I signed up for the Repeater group buy without having to put any money down. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 21 16:42:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30549; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:40:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:40:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.4.1 Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:36:51 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Elektros Againinator Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA30509 Resent-Message-ID: <6qd5ID.A.8cH.69Ru6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> Don't put down deposit money for something that doesn't exist. :) > I don't get it...has this actually been happening to people on this list? I signed up for the Repeater group buy without having to put any money down. Alto Music has been GREAT about any of our proposed group actions... No one's losing any money over this. I can't believe people are having diatribes over a company wanting to give the best they can deliver. Impatience seems to have clouded people's ability to reason here. I guess if ya wanna be mad... you're gonna be. Like Jamie said... 'Thanks for the sunshine!' Best, -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 21 17:01:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32331; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:00:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:00:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:50:22 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Elektros Againinator In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Mike Biffle , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: Resent-Message-ID: <1vNt5D.A.JmH.VQSu6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:36 PM -0800 3/21/01, Mike Biffle wrote: >I can't believe people are having diatribes over a company wanting >to give the best they can deliver. Impatience seems to have clouded >people's ability to reason here. I guess if ya wanna be mad... >you're gonna be. As a professional colleague (and former Loopers-Delight list subscriber) wrote to me, "There was just way too much unfocused energy going around." It might be better for some of the young turks to harness that energy to more constructive ends. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 21 17:22:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32719; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:19:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:19:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.16.219.10] From: "Pete Mundt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Elektros Againinator Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:17:47 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Mar 2001 22:17:47.0380 (UTC) FILETIME=[C2563340:01C0B254] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From: Richard Zvonar >As a professional colleague (and former Loopers-Delight list >subscriber) wrote to me, "There was just It might be better for some of the >young turks >to harness that energy to more constructive ends. I'd venture to say its not just the "young turks" with way too much unfocused energy going around, although I do agree with the general statement. Yet the value of the information, experience, and wisdom on this list is surely worth deleting a couple of selected threads, ...at least for me. Pete _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 21 17:35:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00716; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:34:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:34:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: mhamburg@mailsj-v1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <836AEDC9D836D211B4720001FA7EC2D202A79429@ntemail1-tr.ius.indiana.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:33:32 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Mark Hamburg" Subject: Re: good feedback vs. bad feedback, or the revenge of the 10 dollar m icrophone. Resent-Message-ID: <553whB.A.2K.LwSu6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Really, though, if you're going to do this, you should do it as part of contractual obligation fulfillment with your record label. ;-) (i.e., Lou Reed, _Metal Machine Music_) Mark At 3:07 PM -0800 3/20/01, LEE, THANIEL I wrote: >has anybody here ever tried to record a record using nothing but microphone >noises and feedback. well i am attempting to do so and im wondering if >anyone has any sugestions. i like the cold organic tones of feed back and >the clicking sound made when the mic gets pluged in or ajusted. i already >have one track done its a 25min drone/click/pop/hiss/pulseing epic its >called [one] -thaniel ion lee From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 21 18:09:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03202; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:07:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:07:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Anthony.Hancock@ing.com.au X-Lotus-FromDomain: ING-MM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <4A256A17.0000648C.00@ingsydhog2.mercantilemutual.com.au> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:05:08 +1000 Subject: Jam Man Upgrades Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Loopy People, Have read some threads about possible changes done by Bob at Stec / Lexicon to mod the Jam Man. However it seemed the last info was in 1997...did anything happen? Also is there anyway to increase memory beyond 32 secs. Hope to know. Anthony NOTICE The information contained in this electronic mail message is privileged and confidential, and is intended only for use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender by reply transmission and delete the message without copying or disclosing it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 21 19:11:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05502; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 19:08:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 19:08:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.4.1 Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:06:01 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Elektros Againinator Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id TAA05298 Resent-Message-ID: <4rFJSD.A.BTB.gIUu6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> I can't believe people are having diatribes over a company wanting to give the best they can deliver. Impatience seems to have clouded people's ability to reason here. I guess if ya wanna be mad... you're gonna be. > As a professional colleague (and former Loopers-Delight list subscriber) wrote to me, "There was just way too much unfocused energy going around." It might be better for some of the young turks to harness that energy to more constructive ends. I believe we've got a couple older types complaining here as well... what's their excuse? Best, -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 21 19:30:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06149; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 19:28:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 19:28:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:19:52 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Elektros Againinator In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Mike Biffle , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:06 PM -0800 3/21/01, Mike Biffle wrote: >I believe we've got a couple older types complaining here as well... >what's their excuse? Arthritis? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 21 19:36:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06303; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 19:33:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 19:33:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:30:05 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: good feedback vs. bad feedback, or the revenge of the 10 dollar microphone. In-reply-to: <20010321204200.17065.qmail@web5103.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: <20010321204200.17065.qmail@web5103.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-3CHLB.A.KiB.ygUu6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:42 PM -0800 3/21/01, Alx wrote: >is there a way/web site where I can hear some of this music >experimentation online? I'll eventually get it together to put some of this stuff on-line, probably at mp3.com. Meantime you can hear some music by me and people I know on "RZ and Friends - Electroacoustic Music" on Live365.com. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 21 20:46:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08960; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 20:44:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 20:44:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 20:26:02 -0500 To: "Art List" From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Reminder, Video Jazz with Strings!! (Catgut and Pixels) tomorrow Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, I'm excited about this show, which is tomorrow night at the Zeitgeist. Its my pleasure and privilege to be joined by five outstanding string improvisers, for a special Video Jazz performance at the Zeitgeist Gallery on Thursday March 22. 8:15 PM Jonathan LaMaster violin Derek van Beaver bass 9:00 PM Katt Hernandez violin Teresa Marrin Nakra violin Jane Wang, bass and percussion I'll be video mixing (and trying to keep up with these fine players) all evening. The Zeitgeist is at the corner of Broadway and Norfolk in Central Square, Cambridge, Mass, 617-876-2182 Suggested donation, $6. Hope to see you there. -- "Once the search is in progress, something will be found" -- Brian Eno and Peter Schmidt Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 21 20:50:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09317; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 20:48:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 20:48:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Sender: simran@phys-ha2mpkb-16.Eng.Sun.COM Message-ID: <3AB959AF.DD1194A0@Sun.COM> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:47:27 -0800 From: Simran gleason Organization: Sun Microsystems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.7 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: simran@art.net Subject: Introduction Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6Mi1X.A.MRC.xmVu6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, I've been lurking for awhile, and just managed to get a post past the vaguaries of my mailer, so I thought I'd introduce myself. I've been playing with loopers for a few years, starting with a pair of digital delay units chained together, moving up to a boomerang and then adding a DL4. Now I've got my rig velcroed into a suitcase and pedalboard, with a mackie mixer, zoom guitar processor, alesis wedge (5 second delay!) -- enough knobs that I can chain the aux sends and route the boxes into each other in nicely confusing signal chains. I generate sounds mostly with voices (throat singing, chanting, vocal percusssion), and odd noisemakers (wok lids, bag of forks), occasionally using a "real" instrument (didge made out of abs pipe, bamboo flute, tablas). My solo work has been going in two main directions: live "illbient" soundscapes where I act like a loop-based DJ, but with all the loops being created live on the fly; and music for modern dance performances. I'm currently working with a small dance troupe in San Francisco, and will send out a "gig spam" next week for an upcoming performance. I've also been working with loose collections of musicians that we're taking the liberty of calling a "band." Fermat's Last Theremin and Mixtape From Mars debuted at (respectively) BurningMan '99 and 2K. In those situations, everybody feeds into my mixer, and I control how much of their mix goes into the loops and effects boxes. Another fun thing I've done is put together a battery powered system that lets us play just about anywhere. We often have performances with the Popcorn Anti Theater, a bus you get on in San Francisco, that takes you to various locations for short performances. It runs evey month. We've playing in the cave at the sutro bath ruins, at the wave organ, the presidio pet cemetary, and other fun places. The battery powered system is a wheelchair battery, 4 channel car stereo amp, and inverter bolted into a bright pink ten dollar goodwill suitcase. I mounted 1/4" inch jacks near the suitcase handle for stereo input and stereo outputs for mains and subwoofers. The inverter supplies 110V AC for the rest of my rig (also in suitcases). All we need is speakers and we're ready to go. (The speakers are alien robot sculptures with full range car stereo drivers in the heads, and subwoofers in the belly. I wish I had a picture to show you). I've really enjoyed hanging out with this list. I especially like the fugue-like repetition of the different threads around the repeater. It's coming; it's not coming. I'm waiting; I'm not waiting. Introduction of a humourous melodic againinator theme, followed quickly by the counter point. ABAAB. Some loops fade quickly; others persist, but change each time around. How loopy! Simran Here are some references: http://www.mp3.com/Inkstone http://www.mp3.com/FermatsLastTheremin http://www.mp3.com/MixtapeFromMars http://www.popcornantitheater.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 21 23:11:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15408; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:09:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:09:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007c01c0b286$5b8860c0$337c0d98@uncg.edu> Reply-To: "insect politics" From: "insect politics" To: References: <836AEDC9D836D211B4720001FA7EC2D202A79429@ntemail1-tr.ius.indiana.edu> <000001c0b275$2324b5a0$6abc6fd4@dolly> Subject: feedback goood, earache baaaad Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:12:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll be in the position of finally getting some new equipment fairly soon, so this is something I was curious about already, and am now especially intrigued by. I've done shows before and the volume occasionally was a problem because of ACCIDENTAL feedback, so I'm sure trying to use feedback as the source itself is a major pain without some kind of device in the chain. What would you recommend as far as compressors and limiters in the say low hundreds range? In other words, what should I try to find used for around or under $200, since I assume that like most gear anything new is going to have a painful pricetag? Thanks! Jon > 1 Place a compressor/limiter in the feedback chain. This will prevent > uncontrollable noises and help bring out more subtle sounds that would > otherwise be masked. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 22 08:07:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA00352; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:05:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:05:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c0b2be$d835aaa0$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Home Boy Makes Good! :) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:57:05 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre and Project/Object make headlines on Mi2N - http://mi2n.com/press.php3?press_nb=20224 Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 22 08:19:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA00888; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:17:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:17:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: From: "p koniuto" Subject: RE: Introduction Message-Id: <22030181.18964@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 05:16:09 -0800 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Simran...welcome! It really looks like you are going to have a lot to contribute to this list. Glad to have you aboard. Best, peter koniuto >--- Original Message --- >From: Simran gleason >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Date: 3/21/01 8:47:27 PM > >Hello, >I've been lurking for awhile, and just managed to get a post past >the vaguaries of my mailer, so I thought I'd introduce myself. > >I've been playing with loopers for a few years, starting with a pair >of digital delay units chained together, moving up to a boomerang and >then adding a DL4......... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 22 08:47:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01809; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:43:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:43:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.20627415180206.281.60694360733@1.00001066289365> X-Sender: X-Mailer: Ken's Useful eMail Suite v5.1 Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:41:47 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ken Subject: nyc area: ken's last ever radio extravaganza: regurgitation sat 3/24 3pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ken's last ever radio extravaganza @ regurgitation show jersey city Sat. 3/24 3pm 'til later, FREE The Arts Center on First, 111 1st St., Jersey City (directions at bottom) ******************************* Ken's Last Ever Radio Extravaganza 3pm long set, 8:30pm short set, in AREA #2 (The Gallery) Weaving hours of soundscapes amidst gallery contemplation, varying from spooky to terrifying to puzzling to silent. Roundabout torn apart circular trance-inducing transformative uncomfortable perspective-shifting reminiscent suspenseful in pain releasing freeform entropy stark ridiculous sticky pleasant clearing open stretched space rude participatory feedback organic new free addictive impersonal connected forum excessive satisfying uncertain ken's last ever radio extravaganza. Always improvised. Nobody in the world knows what will happen, until perhaps afterwards. Last weekend's KLERExtravaganza in Williamsburg covered much space, looping noises, static, ambient sounds, feedback, cheery pop 80's music butchered in real-time, instrumental Radiohead, corporate hold music, found audio scraps, pitch shifting, and, most importantly, Air Supply embedding its way into now-irreversibly-programmed minds forever. A very successful show, they tell me. (Soon to be available on CD.) Even if no inspiration materializes, or I fail to obtain any speakers or amplifier (got one? Share, please!), or the power fails, or I go deaf and can't hear what I'm doing, or you show up too late for my comfortably lengthy afternoon set, or you somehow can't find me, or I'm run over and shot and catch a cold on the way to the show, it's STILL a show worth going to: There will be over 40 artists of all sorts, showing films, sculpting, body painting, dancing, singing, speaking, dressing, hypnotizing, and on and on, in a great big old warehouse in the middle of a desolate district of abandoned factories and high-tech corporate headquarters. And eventually everything will degenerate into dancing and debauchery all the way 'til dawn. All for a $1 PATH ride 5 minutes over the river. The event is COMPLETELY FREE, brought to you by a loose collective of artists joined by their desire to provide art and culture without economic barriers. So, DEFINITELY GO. This SATURDAY, get there nice and early for my set at 3, take in all the art and the space and the people and the mellowness, have a bite to eat, relax. Then stick around for the chaos that will ensue when the DJ's take over and the lights go down. Then, please, go insane. Regurgitation Show, at The Arts Center on First, 111 1st St., Jersey City. Sat. 3/24 3pm - dawn (as well as the pre-show Fri. 3/23 7:30pm - 3am) Lots of event info at http://www.regurgitationshow.com/Home2.html Ken's Last Ever Radio Extravaganza: 8 years of experimentation, ideas, streaming audio, and nothing, at http://free-music.com/ken/extrav/ Spread the word. See you there. ---------- Directions to Regurgitation Show: Path train: - Journal Square-bound from 6th Ave. train, or - Newark-bound from World Trade Center train Get off at Grove St. stop Walk north on Grove St. (i.e. turn right onto Grove St.) until intersection of 1st St. & Grove. Make right and walk on 1st St. until intersection of 1st & Warren St. Make right on Warren. Go half a block, cross street. Entrance is marked 111. Follow signs. It's a short walk Ken's Last Ever Radio Extravaganza Sat 3/24: 3-7pm, 8:30-9:15pm http://free-music.com/ken/extrav/ kenzo@free-music.com people? or the corporation? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 22 09:13:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA03474; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:09:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:09:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3ABA30A9.B74DD4E2@home.com> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:04:41 -0800 From: Will Brake Organization: Soul Fruit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0407 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: insect politics CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: feedback goood, earache baaaad References: <836AEDC9D836D211B4720001FA7EC2D202A79429@ntemail1-tr.ius.indiana.edu> <000001c0b275$2324b5a0$6abc6fd4@dolly> <007c01c0b286$5b8860c0$337c0d98@uncg.edu> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------4320392EE5FE18A97A1A420C" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------4320392EE5FE18A97A1A420C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jon, The Alesis weighs in at about $85 and is essentially the same as the 3630. It is permanently stereo linked, but most of us are using stereo gear anyway. I use mine to make my tape delays play nice with others. Feedback has a way of getting out of hand sometimes! Be Well Will Brake Soul Fruit insect politics wrote: > > I'll be in the position of finally getting some new equipment fairly soon, > so this is something I was curious about already, and am now especially > intrigued by. I've done shows before and the volume occasionally was a > problem because of ACCIDENTAL feedback, so I'm sure trying to use feedback > as the source itself is a major pain without some kind of device in the > chain. What would you recommend as far as compressors and limiters in the > say low hundreds range? In other words, what should I try to find used for > around or under $200, since I assume that like most gear anything new is > going to have a painful pricetag? > > Thanks! > > Jon > > > 1 Place a compressor/limiter in the feedback chain. This will prevent > > uncontrollable noises and help bring out more subtle sounds that would > > otherwise be masked. --------------4320392EE5FE18A97A1A420C Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="wbrake.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Will Brake Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="wbrake.vcf" begin:vcard n:Brake;Will tel;work:248-583-1856 x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http//www.soul-fruit.com org:Soul Fruit adr:;;2900 Rochester Road;Royal Oak;Michigan;48073;USA version:2.1 email;internet:wbrake@home.com title:Owner fn:Will Brake end:vcard --------------4320392EE5FE18A97A1A420C-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 22 10:19:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06481; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:15:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:15:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005401c0b2e2$4be92ee0$737ee383@eihms.surrey.ac.uk> Reply-To: "Michael P. Hughes, PhD" From: "Michael P. Hughes, PhD" To: Mike Biffle , Loopers-Delight , zvonar References: Subject: Re: Elektros Againinator Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:10:53 -0000 Organization: University of Surrey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <3Yxjm.A.2hB.EZhu6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> It might be better for some of the young turks >>to harness that energy to more constructive ends. > I believe we've got a couple older types >complaining here as well... what's their excuse? Midlife crisis! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 22 11:05:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08444; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:01:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:01:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <18.a862745.27eb7aea@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:57:30 EST Subject: Re: Elektros Againinator To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_18.a862745.27eb7aea_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_18.a862745.27eb7aea_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/21/01 7:07:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, Mbiffle@svg.com writes: > I believe we've got a couple older types complaining here as well... what's > their excuse? > was it me, i cant seem to remember.....michael altz heimer --part1_18.a862745.27eb7aea_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/21/01 7:07:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, Mbiffle@svg.com
writes:


I believe we've got a couple older types complaining here as well... what's
their excuse?


was it me, i cant seem to remember.....michael altz heimer --part1_18.a862745.27eb7aea_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 22 11:18:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08958; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:14:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:14:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010322075434.01abd220@mail.well.com> X-Sender: dog@mail.well.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 07:54:34 -0800 To: "insect politics" From: dan mcmullen Subject: Re: feedback goood, earache baaaad Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <007c01c0b286$5b8860c0$337c0d98@uncg.edu> References: <836AEDC9D836D211B4720001FA7EC2D202A79429@ntemail1-tr.ius.indiana.edu> <000001c0b275$2324b5a0$6abc6fd4@dolly> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jon, fwiw, the consensus on the rec.pro.audio newsgroup as of late last year when i last visited was that the FMR Audio, Really Nice Compressor (RNC1173) was far and away the best low priced compressor. i have one and it works quite well. just under $200, direct. i think the web site is www.fmraudio.com, but a web search should find it pretty easily. other low priced boxes (& particularly Alesis) are generally thought to have audible artifacts &/or coloration, though some defend them with firey vigor. the rec.audio.pro "consensus" does sometimes tend to elitism, but i've heard great reviews of the RNC from other sources as well & my ears confirm this. i'll note that adding a compressor effectively adds several extra variables into the feedback equation, & while it can be used to good effect it does add to the "tweek time" and is not a panacea. don't let the lack of a compressor stop you from playing around w/ feedback loops. get the levels dialed in nicely, have a convenient fader that can ease off on the feedback when things start to get over the top, & enjoy the sonic mayhem! hope this helps, dan ps- for more compressor info than you'll know what to do w/ go to www.google.com, get to the usenet newsgroup search page & search for your compressor of choice in rec.audio.pro. ___ dan mcmullen, ca, usa don't worry - pay attention mailto:dog@well.com 707-485-0220 pgp fingerprint = 1C70 8D81 6B94 93A9 F2D8 9609 2122 BF70 8619 EDAF From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 22 11:37:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09330; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:32:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:32:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:25:10 -0800 From: Larry Stites Subject: updated Boomerang Q: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -- OK, so call me lazy or whatever - but I need some assistance and the manual doesn't seem to explain - Would someone please explain to me what all of the updated Boomerang buttons do? I can get to a certain point using the updated functions but then no further... I play a ZenDrum - midi through a Yamaha drum module - out to the Rang. I read, either here or at the Loopers website, where someone had printed out a list of functions for the buttons and taped it to the Boomerang... I'd sure like to see that list. thanks in advance ------------------------------- Larry Stites Drummer/Vocalist ================ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 22 12:24:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11730; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:21:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:21:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:15:46 -0500 Subject: extreme electronics 25 march NYC From: David Myers To: ~music spam list Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com An evening of extreme electronic music at TONIC (107 Norfolk Street, just above Delancey, NYC). There will be separate sets and possible cross-pollination. My first appearance in 10 years, catch it while I'm still alive... TONIC's press release, below. David Lee Myers http://www.pulsewidth.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Ourobouros" CD of new Feedback Music available now on Pulsewidth! In NYC at Downtown Music, Kim's Mondo, and Other Music, and through Forced Exposure, Anomalous, Wayside, Electronic Music Foundation, Recommended, and Staalplaat. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Lee Myers, Tim Perkis, Thom DiMuzio & Elliott Sharp starting at 8:00pm, $10 Tim Perkis' work has largely been concerned with exploring the emergence of life-like properties in complex systems of interaction. He is the designer of the Hub, and has worked with such artists and groups as Chris Brown, Eugene Chadbourne, Roscoe Mitchell, the ROVA saxophonequartet, Leo Wadada Smith, the Splatter Trio, and William Wynant. Thomas Dimuzio is a true sonic alchemist who can seemingly create music events out of almost anything, Dimuzio's listed sound sources on his various CDs include everything from "modified 10 speed bicycle" and "resonating water pipe" to short-wave radios, loops, samplers and even normal instruments such as clarinet and trumpet. As a collaborator, he has contributed to numerous artists and ensembles, such as 5uu's, Chris Cutler, C.W. Vrtacek, Tom Cora, and Fred Frith. Known for the "Feedback Music" of Arcane Device, David Lee Myers' electronic feedback matrix produces sounds in a landscape between Jon Hassel's "fourth world" and David Tudor's "Rainforest"-digital sound beds and pulsing rhythms evoking insect swarms, nocturnal amphibious waterspaces, and gritty datastreams. His new CD, Ourobouros, has just been released on the newly formed Pulsewidth label . This is Myers first public performance after a long hiatus! E# has been exploring the outer reaches of electroacoustic and computer music for decades. Fresh off the plane from Tokyo, he will present pieces for Powerbook and acoustic interfaces. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 22 12:33:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11978; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:29:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:29:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: AaroneousAG@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:25:20 EST Subject: loser's delete To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: Resent-Message-ID: <5VZpt.A.b6C.qWju6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, my name is Alexander Van Schtellten, and I subscribe to the Loser's Delete mailing list. I have three undergraduate degrees, which I collected between between VERY brief tenures with various bands "around town" Every day, my mailbox gets filled to the brim with heated discussions about the relative advantages of various prohibitively expensive electronic sound manipulation devices. I am an emotionally under-developed, and compensationally cereberal, pseudo-artist with poor social skills, who is either too egotistical, too insecure, or just too deaf to share a stage or to understand the value of collaborating with other musicians. Perhaps I have given up on finding the right combination, or hide behind the delusion that my musical profundity exceeds the abilities of all those guys who seem to be able to pack clubs despite their "barbarian" and simplistic overtures. Consequentially, I fantasize about a device which will allow me maximum control over every feature of a musical piece, knowing that, until the day that a replicator is perfected to instantly clone humans, this is as close as I can get to the ultimate dream of an entire orchestra of only me playing every note exactly how I imagine it. The closer the manufacturers of electronic sound manipulation devices get to realizing this dream, however, the more critical I become, and the more impatient I become as well, because I realize that the absolute elimination of randomness and chaos is inherently impossible in a universe such as this, and it is this realization that makes me wail like a banshee, or, more to the point, like an infant who has wet his bed and realizes he is helpless to prevent it. Come see me play at this coffe shop/art gallery/library lobby, to people who either stare off into space, nod "appreciatively", or just ignore me completely. That's just fine. It only! proves I'm way beyond them. A.V.S. Respect, right back atcha, Jamie. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 22 13:09:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14377; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:07:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:07:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <388210732.985284363617.JavaMail.root@web277-ec> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:06:01 -0500 (EST) From: "Brian Thomson, Dublin IE" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: good feedback vs. bad feedback, or the revenge of the 10 dollar m icrophone. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 207.122.110.165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had a go at something like this a few years ago, except it involved a guitar lying on top of the speakers, fed through a Zoom 9002 with the random filter effect (and more), and the resulting tape slowed down a few octaves. Later, I dumped it to PC and subjected it to some offensive noise reduction (aka music reduction?), and I have the result at http://www.mp3.com/stereoroid as track "0.2". Warning: it's 20 minutes long, and can induce some nasty mental states if listed to while "compromised" in any way... Another track I did featured (?) me trying to play guitar, shifted down a few more octaves, and fed back out speakers into a cheap hand-held mike, the Zoom 9002's pitch-shifter (yes, down!), and back through again. Unlistenable even by my standards. The other tracks on my MP3.com site are nicer, though, some involving a continuous "answering machine" cassette looping in a 4-track system, and more digital "music reduction" Cheers, Brian Thomson, Dublin IE bnt@email.com (ceci n'est pas un .sig) ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 22 13:35:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15424; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:32:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:32:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:30:15 EST Subject: Re: extreme electronics 25 march NYC To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a.a861fd5.27eb9eb7_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_a.a861fd5.27eb9eb7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/22/01 12:20:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, dmgraph@earthlink.net writes: > . My first appearance in 10 years, catch it while I'm > still alive... > david.....i wish i were there, have fun!.....michael --part1_a.a861fd5.27eb9eb7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/22/01 12:20:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dmgraph@earthlink.net writes:


.  My first appearance in 10 years, catch it while I'm
still alive...


david.....i wish i were there, have fun!.....michael --part1_a.a861fd5.27eb9eb7_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 22 14:25:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17793; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:21:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:21:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:18:16 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: loser's delete Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hahahaha! good one! please unsussribbe me. >Hi, my name is Alexander Van Schtellten, and I subscribe to the Loser's >Delete mailing list. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 22 14:33:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18064; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:31:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:31:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3ABA5294.D6FD1437@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:29:24 -0800 X-Sybari-Trust: 3f8a1494 050014e1 00000000 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Elektros Againinator References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Missing the point, you are. My point is, announce a ship date when you've got a finished product and it's just a matter of waiting for distribution. I don't know about your job, but if I promise a client something by a certain date and I'm WAY off, I loose the business. Frankly, I'd rather have them take a few features taken off to get the product out, and then distribute a free software update when it's ready. We're not talking about a few days here, we're talking about 8 months. Sure, shit happens, but last week we got emailed, "get ready for good news soon." People need to pay attention to the world around them. I think we should bury this subject. Mark Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 1:36 PM -0800 3/21/01, Mike Biffle wrote: > > >I can't believe people are having diatribes over a company wanting > >to give the best they can deliver. Impatience seems to have clouded > >people's ability to reason here. I guess if ya wanna be mad... > >you're gonna be. > > As a professional colleague (and former Loopers-Delight list > subscriber) wrote to me, "There was just way too much unfocused > energy going around." It might be better for some of the young turks > to harness that energy to more constructive ends. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com > (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com > (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com > > http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 22 14:41:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18462; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:39:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:39:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3ABA5481.68F4241@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:37:37 -0800 X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Introduction References: <3AB959AF.DD1194A0@Sun.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <4WHky.A.7fE.ESlu6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What you're doing sounds very interesting to me. I used to play with a gentelman named Jason Mombert who did similar things, but he moved to Canada, and I to San Francisco. Let me know when your next show is, I'd love to go. Also, if you're looking for people to make music with, I'd love to play. My rig will rock once I replace my JamMan with an Againinator™! Mark Sottilaro Simran gleason wrote: > Hello, > I've been lurking for awhile, and just managed to get a post past > the vaguaries of my mailer, so I thought I'd introduce myself. > > I've been playing with loopers for a few years, starting with a pair > of digital delay units chained together, moving up to a boomerang and > then adding a DL4. Now I've got my rig velcroed into a suitcase and > pedalboard, with a mackie mixer, zoom guitar processor, alesis wedge > (5 second delay!) -- enough knobs that I can chain the aux sends and > route the boxes into each other in nicely confusing signal chains. > > I generate sounds mostly with voices (throat singing, chanting, vocal > percusssion), and odd noisemakers (wok lids, bag of forks), > occasionally using a "real" instrument (didge made out of abs pipe, > bamboo flute, tablas). My solo work has been going in two main > directions: live "illbient" soundscapes where I act like a loop-based > DJ, but with all the loops being created live on the fly; and music > for modern dance performances. I'm currently working with a small > dance troupe in San Francisco, and will send out a "gig spam" next > week for an upcoming performance. > > I've also been working with loose collections of musicians that we're > taking the liberty of calling a "band." Fermat's Last Theremin and > Mixtape From Mars debuted at (respectively) BurningMan '99 and 2K. In > those situations, everybody feeds into my mixer, and I control how > much of their mix goes into the loops and effects boxes. > > Another fun thing I've done is put together a battery powered system > that lets us play just about anywhere. We often have performances with > the Popcorn Anti Theater, a bus you get on in San Francisco, that > takes you to various locations for short performances. It runs evey > month. We've playing in the cave at the sutro bath ruins, at the wave > organ, the presidio pet cemetary, and other fun places. > > The battery powered system is a wheelchair battery, 4 channel car > stereo amp, and inverter bolted into a bright pink ten dollar goodwill > suitcase. I mounted 1/4" inch jacks near the suitcase handle for > stereo input and stereo outputs for mains and subwoofers. The inverter > supplies 110V AC for the rest of my rig > (also in suitcases). All we need is speakers and we're ready to go. > (The speakers are alien robot sculptures with full range car stereo > drivers in the heads, and subwoofers in the belly. I wish I had a > picture to show you). > > I've really enjoyed hanging out with this list. I especially like the > fugue-like repetition of the different threads around the > repeater. It's coming; it's not coming. I'm waiting; I'm not > waiting. Introduction of a humourous melodic againinator theme, > followed quickly by the counter point. ABAAB. Some loops fade quickly; > others persist, but change each time around. How loopy! > > Simran > > Here are some references: > http://www.mp3.com/Inkstone > http://www.mp3.com/FermatsLastTheremin > http://www.mp3.com/MixtapeFromMars > http://www.popcornantitheater.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 22 14:43:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18868; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:41:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:41:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c0b307$d6b4f3e0$952078d8@prelayomb> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: , "Petr" References: <001201c0a44e$b4f2f6c0$e82078d8@prelayomb> <003b01c0a46d$83a82800$060a3e3f@oemcomputer> <000701c0a47c$ee161b20$0e2078d8@prelayomb> <004c01c0a51e$d9f83c20$540a3e3f@oemcomputer> <003501c0a539$6c3f98c0$562078d8@prelayomb> <004201c0b218$30f389c0$74231a3f@oemcomputer> <003b01c0b21c$068ce7e0$cf2078d8@prelayomb> <005501c0b23f$64807d80$cd0a3e3f@oemcomputer> Subject: My Foot Controller vs Your New Foot Controller Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:39:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am reprogramming my PMC-10 (Digitech) and it sure is a touchy thing! The Mitigator is more bulletproof but I can't dump the patches back to it--I would have to reprogram it by hand, and that would take quite a while (I gotta lotta patches). It is possible to record patches thru the MIDI in on the Yamaha MFC 10? I am curious as to what messages you are storing in your footswitch. What all do you send with one foot press--note on, CC, prog change, what else? Also, it doesn't look like the display is very big. Is that a problem? Gary PS--Looks like the price was right 8^? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 22 14:46:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19075; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:43:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:43:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3ABA5573.D1AE14A1@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:41:39 -0800 X-Sybari-Trust: 43b50483 050014e1 00000000 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: loser's delete References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA18962 Resent-Message-ID: <3VvYD.A.hoE.2Vlu6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Alex, Looks like the Againinator is the device for you! I'm looking forward to having you as a customer. Gern Blanston, Customer Support Elektros Inc. AaroneousAG@aol.com wrote: > Hi, my name is Alexander Van Schtellten, and I subscribe to the Loser's Delete mailing list. I have three undergraduate degrees, which I collected between between VERY brief tenures with various bands "around town" Every day, my mailbox gets filled to the brim with heated discussions about the relative advantages of various prohibitively expensive electronic sound manipulation devices. I am an emotionally under-developed, and compensationally cereberal, pseudo-artist with poor social skills, who is either too egotistical, too insecure, or just too deaf to share a stage or to understand the value of collaborating with other musicians. Perhaps I have given up on finding the right combination, or hide behind the delusion that my musical profundity exceeds the abilities of all those guys who seem to be able to pack clubs despite their "barbarian" and simplistic overtures. > > Consequentially, I fantasize about a device which will allow me maximum control over every feature of a musical piece, knowing that, until the day that a replicator is perfected to instantly clone humans, this is as close as I can get to the ultimate dream of an entire orchestra of only me playing every note exactly how I imagine it. The closer the manufacturers of electronic sound manipulation devices get to realizing this dream, however, the more critical I become, and the more impatient I become as well, because I realize that the absolute elimination of randomness and chaos is inherently impossible in a universe such as this, and it is this realization that makes me wail like a banshee, or, more to the point, like an infant who has wet his bed and realizes he is helpless to prevent it. Come see me play at this coffe shop/art gallery/library lobby, to people who either stare off into space, nod "appreciatively", or just ignore me completely. That's just fine. It only! > ! > proves I'm way beyond them. > > A.V.S. > > Respect, right back atcha, Jamie. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 22 14:57:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19895; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:56:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:56:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:53:43 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: My Foot Controller vs Your New Foot Controller In-reply-to: <001101c0b307$d6b4f3e0$952078d8@prelayomb> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: <001201c0a44e$b4f2f6c0$e82078d8@prelayomb> <003b01c0a46d$83a82800$060a3e3f@oemcomputer> <000701c0a47c$ee161b20$0e2078d8@prelayomb> <004c01c0a51e$d9f83c20$540a3e3f@oemcomputer> <003501c0a539$6c3f98c0$562078d8@prelayomb> <004201c0b218$30f389c0$74231a3f@oemcomputer> <003b01c0b21c$068ce7e0$cf2078d8@prelayomb> <005501c0b23f$64807d80$cd0a3e3f@oemcomputer> <001101c0b307$d6b4f3e0$952078d8@prelayomb> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >The Mitigator is more bulletproof but I can't dump the patches back to it--I >would have to reprogram it by hand, and that would take quite a >while (I gotta lotta patches). Why is that? According to the RFC-1 manual, song files can be uploaded and downloaded to/from a computer either individually or all at once. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 22 15:30:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22270; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:27:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:27:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3ABA6007.D55D302@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:30:19 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Elektros Againinator References: <3ABA5294.D6FD1437@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Missing the point, you are. > > My point is, announce a ship date when you've got a finished product and > it's just a matter of waiting for distribution. I don't know about your > job, but if I promise a client something by a certain date and I'm WAY > off, I loose the business. Frankly, I'd rather have them take a few > features taken off to get the product out, and then distribute a free > software update when it's ready. We're not talking about a few days > here, we're talking about 8 months. Sure, shit happens, but last week > we got emailed, "get ready for good news soon." People need to pay > attention to the world around them. > > I think we should bury this subject. > > Mark i think there is a big difference between a paying client and a potential customer...it's not as if anyone is losing money on repeater being slower to market than projected (besides electrix, that is...) it seems clear that the company has been interested in the list's views (and interested in us as potential consumers of their products :-), othewise they wouldn't have hung around for all our abuse, but i seriously doubt your advise to them is of much use... lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 22 15:52:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23404; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:49:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:49:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005001c0b310$c28ad160$bd141d3f@oemcomputer> From: "Petr" To: References: <001201c0a44e$b4f2f6c0$e82078d8@prelayomb> <003b01c0a46d$83a82800$060a3e3f@oemcomputer> <000701c0a47c$ee161b20$0e2078d8@prelayomb> <004c01c0a51e$d9f83c20$540a3e3f@oemcomputer> <003501c0a539$6c3f98c0$562078d8@prelayomb> <004201c0b218$30f389c0$74231a3f@oemcomputer> <003b01c0b21c$068ce7e0$cf2078d8@prelayomb> <005501c0b23f$64807d80$cd0a3e3f@oemcomputer> <001101c0b307$d6b4f3e0$952078d8@prelayomb> Subject: Your New Foot Controller Yamaha mfc-10 Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:43:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yamaha MFC-10 MIDI footcontroller Yes, as far as I can read you can bulk dump your memory via midi, and then back to it. But, since programming is really easy, I think I will just make a list of my programs and put it on paper -- the process of manual reprogramming will be probably more convenient than wiring the pedal to computer. The display is quite satisfactory for me. It would be nice if one could assign names to the programs, but Roland does not have this option neither. One thing which bothers me is the adaptor, and you cannot use phantom power. It's silly. I hate to have all the fragile adaptors and cables on stage. Essentially, there are two general memories (lists of banks) available (function and program change), and you jump from one to another with just one switch. In the first one, you can send program changes, and move through your banks of 10 presets. In the other mode, similarly, you have 100 "function" switches available, 10 in each bank. Depending on if you are in program change mode or function mode, you send messages from programmed switches. You can also use "mix mode" where you have switches 1-5 in program change mode, and 6-0 in function mode. In function mode each switch can be programmed for the following midi types: note on/off; control change; program change; song select; start; continue; stop; section control; tempo control. If I understand well the manual, you can assign 49 switches (in function section) to send up to 4 types of midi data (note on/off; control change; program change) simultaneously, that is with one click. In that way with one switch you can start recording with EDP, send program change to your guitar processor, start rewinding your 8 track, and change pitch in your voice processor, for instance. I have not used this function yet, but this is my understanding of the manual. I am really impressed with this pedal. It's so nice to see my EDP follow precisely any commands sent from the mfc-10. The price was okay, I paid 269 and free shipping from http://www.zzounds.com. I did not find any cheaper elsewhere. ________________________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Lehmann Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 12:39 PM Subject: My Foot Controller vs Your New Foot Controller > I am reprogramming my PMC-10 (Digitech) and it sure is a touchy thing! The > Mitigator is more bulletproof but I can't dump the patches back to it--I > would have to reprogram it by hand, and that would take quite a while (I > gotta lotta patches). > It is possible to record patches thru the MIDI in on the Yamaha MFC 10? I > am curious as to what messages you are storing in your footswitch. What all > do you send with one foot press--note on, CC, prog change, what else? Also, > it doesn't look like the display is very big. Is that a problem? > Gary > PS--Looks like the price was right 8^? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 22 16:20:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25666; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:18:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:18:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002a01c0b315$66e14ba0$b52078d8@prelayomb> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <001201c0a44e$b4f2f6c0$e82078d8@prelayomb> <003b01c0a46d$83a82800$060a3e3f@oemcomputer> <000701c0a47c$ee161b20$0e2078d8@prelayomb> <004c01c0a51e$d9f83c20$540a3e3f@oemcomputer> <003501c0a539$6c3f98c0$562078d8@prelayomb> <004201c0b218$30f389c0$74231a3f@oemcomputer> <003b01c0b21c$068ce7e0$cf2078d8@prelayomb> <005501c0b23f$64807d80$cd0a3e3f@oemcomputer> <001101c0b307$d6b4f3e0$952078d8@prelayomb> Subject: Recording MIDI data into a foot controller Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:16:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com BTW, just to clarify my earlier post, what I can do with the PMC that I would like to do with the Mitigator is to record a patch simply by sending all the information at once, say from the Mitigator, and recording it into a string on the PMC. I can do this going that direction, but my information was that I could not send the string from the PMC into the Mitigator in one fell swoop. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 22 16:27:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26070; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:25:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:25:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:10:54 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: loser's delete To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <022201c0b314$9525bc90$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <3ABA5573.D1AE14A1@zerocrossing.net> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey, learn with gern is with elektros! he's done some great stuff and we can expect nothing but the best from elektros in the future... welcome gern! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 1:41 PM Subject: Re: loser's delete > Hi Alex, > > Looks like the Againinator is the device for you! I'm looking forward to having you as a customer. > > Gern Blanston, > > Customer Support > Elektros Inc. > > AaroneousAG@aol.com wrote: > > > Hi, my name is Alexander Van Schtellten, and I subscribe to the Loser's Delete mailing list. I have three undergraduate degrees, which I collected between between VERY brief tenures with various bands "around town" Every day, my mailbox gets filled to the brim with heated discussions about the relative advantages of various prohibitively expensive electronic sound manipulation devices. I am an emotionally under-developed, and compensationally cereberal, pseudo-artist with poor social skills, who is either too egotistical, too insecure, or just too deaf to share a stage or to understand the value of collaborating with other musicians. Perhaps I have given up on finding the right combination, or hide behind the delusion that my musical profundity exceeds the abilities of all those guys who seem to be able to pack clubs despite their "barbarian" and simplistic overtures. > > > > Consequentially, I fantasize about a device which will allow me maximum control over every feature of a musical piece, knowing that, until the day that a replicator is perfected to instantly clone humans, this is as close as I can get to the ultimate dream of an entire orchestra of only me playing every note exactly how I imagine it. The closer the manufacturers of electronic sound manipulation devices get to realizing this dream, however, the more critical I become, and the more impatient I become as well, because I realize that the absolute elimination of randomness and chaos is inherently impossible in a universe such as this, and it is this realization that makes me wail like a banshee, or, more to the point, like an infant who has wet his bed and realizes he is helpless to prevent it. Come see me play at this coffe shop/art gallery/library lobby, to people who either stare off into space, nod "appreciatively", or just ignore me completely. That's just fine. It on! > ly! > > ! > > proves I'm way beyond them. > > > > A.V.S. > > > > Respect, right back atcha, Jamie. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 22 16:28:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26266; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:26:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:26:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:14:31 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: loser's delete To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <023601c0b315$1699fed0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: <6uhdbB.A.ZUG.K1mu6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > hahahaha! good one! please unsussribbe me. > > >Hi, my name is Alexander Van Schtellten, and I subscribe to the Loser's > >Delete mailing list. > any idiot knows that to unscribe losers delete themselves only by mailing their first born to an address that can easily be found by going back in time and writing down the address given to them when they were born... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 22 16:39:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26800; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:36:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:36:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:31:19 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: FS300 Footswitch Errors with EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <026e01c0b317$6f97c150$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <000f01c0b096$dfd90a60$352078d8@prelayomb> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i've had some problems with my fs-300 triggering weirdly as well. i assumed it was a bad connection at the jack and haven't looked into it further. i noticed that a bad cable will trigger record on and off when it is jiggled. i am going to try cramolin on the jack. i will let you know if it makes a difference. i don't see how it could be the switches. i am also considering replacing the jack with a tip-sleeve jack (instead of trs) the only other thing i can think of is several on this list have mentioned a static problem with their edp footswitches. it might be necessary to isolate the jack from the case with an insulating grommet. my fs-300 is not painted, so static may be more of a problem than it is with the original edp footswitch... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 11:06 AM Subject: FS300 Footswitch Errors with EDP > Greetings-- > I got the resistors from Digikey and wired them in, but I still get the same > error. Here it is: > When controlling the Echoplex Digital Pro from the FS300 footswitch, the > multiply switch occasionally also triggers the overdub. Sometimes it does > this instead of multiplying. The resistor in question is a 7.87K 1/4W 1% > metal film. Is there any hope for this setup or do I need to go back to the > EDP footswitch? > Gary > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 22 17:32:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29249; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:29:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:29:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3ABA7B83.B75646C0@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:24:05 -0500 From: steve Reply-To: studio_t@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Elektros Againinator References: <3ABA5294.D6FD1437@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wow, you should write a book or something keep us all in line From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 22 18:09:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31051; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:06:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:06:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:03:22 -0600 Subject: PMC10 Q's was Re: Your New Foot Controller Yamaha mfc-10 From: Steve Ginn To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005001c0b310$c28ad160$bd141d3f@oemcomputer> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 3/22/01 2:43 PM, Petr at petr@tryi.com wrote: > option neither. One thing which bothers me is the adaptor, and you > cannot use phantom power. It's silly. I hate to have all the fragile > adaptors and cables on stage. > Does anyone know if the PMC10 can be modified to use phantom power (for example on pins 2 & 4?)? If so, how? Also, in my manual that came with the PMC10 that I purchased, the only pedal actions that are available are "NORMAL, MOMENTARY, and TOGGLE". However, both in my PMC10 options and in the Raymond application, there is a pedal action called "ENHANCED". Does anyone know what it does? Finally, has anyone ever experienced a problem with the Memory either becoming corrupted or from some strange reason completely full, and if so what can I do to prevent memory problems? Thanks, Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 22 18:16:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31498; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:14:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:14:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008901c0b326$6996e600$4d624442@austin.rr.com> From: "Jimmy George" To: References: Subject: Re: updated Boomerang Q: Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:18:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com what is your specific question larry? i know the v2 rang well. jimmy george http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Stites To: Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 10:25 AM Subject: updated Boomerang Q: > > -- > OK, so call me lazy or whatever - but I need some assistance and the manual > doesn't seem to explain - Would someone please explain to me what all of the > updated Boomerang buttons do? I can get to a certain point using the updated > functions but then no further... I play a ZenDrum - midi through a Yamaha > drum module - out to the Rang. > > I read, either here or at the Loopers website, where someone had printed out > a list of functions for the buttons and taped it to the Boomerang... I'd > sure like to see that list. > > > thanks in advance > > ------------------------------- > Larry Stites > Drummer/Vocalist > ================ > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 22 19:00:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA32749; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:56:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:56:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:01:11 -0800 To: From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Home Boy Makes Good! :) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:57 AM 3/22/01, Stephen P. Goodman wrote: >Andre and Project/Object make headlines on Mi2N - >http://mi2n.com/press.php3?press_nb=20224 > And it looks like they'll be coming to Eugene! I shouldn't have any excuse not to see this. Though I'm not really a Zappa fan, it should be fun nonetheless. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org New & Improv Media http://www.newandimprov.com Now available: Admiral Twinkle Devil: Wabi Dub ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 22 19:16:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01979; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 19:13:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 19:13:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c0b32e$01816a60$772078d8@prelayomb> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: Subject: Re: PMC10 Q's Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:12:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve wrote: > Finally, has anyone ever experienced a problem with the Memory either > becoming corrupted or from some strange reason completely full, and if so > what can I do to prevent memory problems? Funny you should mention this. I just experienced this: I wanted to save my data and couldn't! At 30k, the Data dump would not send--pressing enter would not send the data. Oops. Deleted some files and everything fine. Guess I found the limit :>} The PMC stores all kinds of sysx so you could backup your synths to it or something. It's a little squirrelly but so flexible and thanks to Sean and his Raymond software, easy as pie to program and implement. Which brings me to: corruption. Back this puppy up to the max, as it will crash at the drop of a feather, leaving you with its default ROM settings. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 22 20:06:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA04049; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:02:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:02:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: How can you play in the correct speed if you don't hear the drums first? Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:06:46 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd also be interested in hearing about this... Where are ya, Rick? Kevin > this was that LD post, Rick......I would love to use this technique with > some of my students. Please fill me in. > MAx > > > Another good thing to do is to learn how to play behind the beat > or ahead of > the beat with total impunity. This is a longer discussion and > if you or > anyone else wants to hear it, I'll be happy to > post a very cool trick I invented for teaching a rank beginner > how to do > this against a metronomic track. > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 22 20:58:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05517; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:55:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:55:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [141.150.74.249] From: "Jonathan Price" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: The New Boomerang? Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 01:53:47 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Mar 2001 01:53:47.0448 (UTC) FILETIME=[198D6380:01C0B33C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Howdy Anybody out there got the 4 minute sample time Boomerang for sale ? (the new one i think...) I thought i'd ask before i paid retail for it... Somebody mentioned to me that the 'Line 6' would sample for longer and sounds better. Does anyone agree or know the reasons why? Preciate it Jon Price _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 22 21:10:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07166; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 21:06:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 21:06:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:03:42 -0600 Subject: Re: PMC10 Q's From: Steve Ginn To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002301c0b32e$01816a60$772078d8@prelayomb> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 3/22/01 6:12 PM, Gary Lehmann at relayonemanband@cts.com wrote: > > Steve wrote: > > >> Finally, has anyone ever experienced a problem with the Memory either >> becoming corrupted or from some strange reason completely full, and if so >> what can I do to prevent memory problems? > > Funny you should mention this. > I just experienced this: I wanted to save my data and couldn't! At 30k, > the Data dump would not send--pressing enter would not send the data. Oops. > Deleted some files and everything fine. Guess I found the limit :>} > The PMC stores all kinds of sysx so you could backup your synths to it or > something. It's a little squirrelly but so flexible and thanks to Sean and > his Raymond software, easy as pie to program and implement. Which brings me > to: corruption. Back this puppy up to the max, as it will crash at the > drop of a feather, leaving you with its default ROM settings. > Gary > Gary, Thanks for the info. You say to back it up. How do you back it up so that it could be restored at a gig? Will the data fit on a palm pilot and if so, is there a way to use the palm pilot as a back up device? Or do you just need to have two in case one fails? Thanks, Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 22 22:15:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09739; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 22:12:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 22:12:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Sender: simran@phys-ha2mpkb-16.Eng.Sun.COM Message-ID: <3ABABF0E.B43D7D93@Sun.COM> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 19:12:14 -0800 From: Simran gleason Organization: Sun Microsystems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.7 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: The New Boomerang? (experiential differences with Line 6 DL4) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7G5uwB.A.BYC.R8ru6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: "Jonathan Price" > Subject: RE: The New Boomerang? > Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 01:53:47 -0000 > > Howdy > Anybody out there got the 4 minute sample time Boomerang for sale ? (the > new one i think...) I thought i'd ask before i paid retail for it... > Somebody mentioned to me that the 'Line 6' would sample for longer and > sounds better. Does anyone agree or know the reasons why? > Preciate it > Jon Price > Hi, I've got both a boomerang and a line 6 DL4. Sorry, I'm not going to part with my boomerang. I have the old version (will upgrade soon), though it does have the 4 minute sample time (at half speed == half resolution == sounds log(.5) better ;-) I've heard the upgrade gets you a higher resolution sample rate (but lower time). The Line 6 has a higher sample rate, and a much lower sample time: 14 seconds at full resolution; 28 seconds at half resolution. I run them side-by side. I haven't actually done a sound quality comparison on the same signal, though. What I have had real experience with is some of the feature differences between the two. One difference that's plaguing me right now is that the rang has a thru mute button, while the line 6 does not. (I do wish the thru mute button had an indicator light!) I run them both through aux sends on my mixer, and when I have the line6 turned up, the signal that feeds it ends up doubled inthe final mix. This makes some mixes rather difficult to control. I would really like the ability to just turn up and down the loop, with the feeder signal staying the same. I can do this with the boomerang, but I usually run both loops at the same time. HELP: Does anybody know how to do thru mute on the line 6?? The line 6 has a toggle-able stack function, so I can set it & forget it and have the unit stay in long-delay-with-feedback mode (oh, if only I could control the amount of feedback;) The boomerang (v1) has only keep-pressing-it stack mode (though the upgrade solves that). An advantage to that mode is that I can rhythmically turn on and off the stacking, to get a chopped up effect. This works very nicely with an undulating sound that I want to give a more staccato attack to. (Quesstion: will an envelope follower let me do something like that better? If not, what will? what is an envelope follower?) The 'rang has a trim knob on the back and a line/inst/mic setting, so I can use it very effectively in a rig that doesn't use a mixer. THe line 6 doesn't, and I find myself overloading the A/D converters all the time. (Sounds yucky!) The line 6 can go battery powered. Not so the rang. (And they both have AC wall warts, so you can't just duck tape a bunch of batteries together). I find myself not using the predelay and all the other goodies that the line 6 has, mostly for simplicity. I did a gig at the beach and got sand in my pedalboard box. The line 6 has recessed pots that retain the sand, while the boomerang seems unfazed by the little bits of silicon dioxide. The line 6's stomp switches are no longer that reliable, and sometimes activate the wrong function for me (ever since that fateful beach gig). Anyways, I'm sure the differences have been discussed ad nauseum. I thought I'd throw in some things that might not be apparent from the brochures or even from in-store test drives. Simran http://www.mp3.com/Inkstone ps: I'm new, so I don't quite know the etiquette: do I need to throw in an Ob Againinator to stay on topic? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 22 22:50:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10713; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 22:48:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 22:48:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Sender: simran@phys-ha2mpkb-16.Eng.Sun.COM Message-ID: <3ABAC745.FE4B0586@Sun.COM> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 19:47:17 -0800 From: Simran gleason Organization: Sun Microsystems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.7 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Introduction Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id WAA10657 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: "p koniuto" > Hi Simran...welcome! > > It really looks like you are going to have > a lot to contribute to this list. Glad to > have you aboard. Thank you! I'm having fun so far! > From: Mark Sottilaro > What you're doing sounds very interesting to me. I used to play with a > gentelman named Jason Mombert who did similar things, but he moved to > Canada, and I to San Francisco. Let me know when your next show is, I'd > love to go. Also, if you're looking for people to make music with, I'd > love to play. My rig will rock once I replace my JamMan with an > Againinator?! > > Mark Sottilaro Hi Mark, I'll be playing this weekend for the popcorn anti theater. Do you have parts of your rig that can run battery-powered? (The Againinator runs on lunar power, does it not? ) It's a fairly impromptu gig; perhaps you'd like to join me. It's sunday & monday evening. Email if you're interested, and I'll send details. Simran http://www.mp3.com/Inkstone From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 23 00:35:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA14912; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 00:31:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 00:31:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004501c0b35a$611ea240$df2078d8@prelayomb> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: Subject: PMC10 Worries Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 21:22:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The story so far: Steve wonders how to save info from the PMC-10 to use at a gig. He asks whether a Palm Pilot will do it. Weeell, I don't have a Palm Pilot, but a laptop with a MIDI interface will do it. Also any device which store sysx, like the Alesis Data Disk. I don't usually bring two of everything to a gig, but since you have two PMCs, that would be a great solution. I don't experience the PMC going down during performance, only when editting, tho-- And while I'm at it, is my guess about the 30k limit correct? Kim? Anyone? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 23 03:38:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA21137; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 03:37:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 03:37:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010323002740.01feae50@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: sean_@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 00:35:31 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Subject: Re: PMC10 Q's In-Reply-To: References: <005001c0b310$c28ad160$bd141d3f@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In the manual that I have (thanks to Miko!) the descriptions are on page 3-2. Enhanced: 1. pressing a pedal set to enhanced causes the pedal LED to light and MIDI String A to be sent. 2. if you press the same pedal again, the LED goes out and MIDI String B is sent. 3. if an enhanced pedal LED is lit and another enhanced or normal pedal is pressed, MIDI String B of the lit pedal and MIDI String A of the new pedal will be sent together, lighting the new pedal's LED and turning off the other. 4. every time the new pedal is pressed after the initial switch, it will act as a toggle between the last enhanced or normal pedal that was pressed and the new pedal. in other words, the PMC10 will switch alternately between the two every time the new pedal is pressed. the important difference between normal and enhanced modes is that a pedal set to enhanced can be used to switch back and forth between the currently selected patch and the previous patch, whereas normal mode does not remember the previously selected patch. At 03:03 PM 3/22/2001, Steve wrote: >Also, in my manual that came with the PMC10 that I purchased, the only pedal >actions that are available are "NORMAL, MOMENTARY, and TOGGLE". However, >both in my PMC10 options and in the Raymond application, there is a pedal >action called "ENHANCED". Does anyone know what it does? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 23 07:55:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA29696; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 07:53:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 07:53:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3ABB4691.807E2D0F@club-internet.fr> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:50:26 +0100 From: Emmanuel PERILLE X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [fr] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Absolute.hu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Absolute : Õrült Franciák: Perille DJRND3 Azt már tapasztalhattuk hogy a francia zenészek ott vannak a toppon, most az is kiderül róluk hogy a vasgyártásban is jeleskednek. Egy otthoni megfejtõ nem semmi masinát készített. Ez egy egészen különleges loop sampler, ez a DJRND3. A linken többet is megtudhatsz a dologról." Is there eventually some loopers there who could help me to tranlate please ? Thanks EP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 23 08:51:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA31974; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 08:49:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 08:49:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Andy Ewen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Absolute.hu Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 07:39:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id IAA31785 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry, we've had a go but our multi-lingual sales girl Conny, reckons this is Hungarian and it's not a language she speaks. > -----Original Message----- > From: Emmanuel PERILLE [mailto:perille@club-internet.fr] > Sent: 23 March 2001 12:50 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Absolute.hu > > > "Absolute : Õrült Franciák: Perille DJRND3 > > Azt már tapasztalhattuk hogy a francia zenészek ott vannak a > toppon, most az is kiderül róluk hogy a vasgyártásban is > jeleskednek. Egy otthoni megfejtõ nem semmi masinát > készített. Ez egy egészen különleges loop sampler, ez a > DJRND3. A linken többet is megtudhatsz a dologról." > > Is there eventually some loopers there who could help me to tranlate > please ? > > Thanks > > EP > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 23 11:33:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05605; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:30:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:30:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010323100454.0248ad50@mail.classicnet.net> X-Sender: kevinlane@mail.classicnet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:27:31 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Kevin L. Breshears" Subject: Repeater grouse In-Reply-To: <200103231351.IAA32037@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:51 AM 03/23/2001 -0500, you wrote: > > I think we should bury this subject. Amen on that! The Repeater will get her when it gets here. In the meantime, I just bought a used EDP, so far I'm very happy, and look forward to a long, and blissful marriage. Loop on . . . and on, and on and on . . . Kevinlane From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 23 11:56:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06372; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:54:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:54:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 08:39:39 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: RE: Absolute.hu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA06284 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Okely Dokely... I've got a hungarian co-worker...so here we go. "We already experienced that the french musicians are on the top - now it comes out that they are getting good in (steel production). A hometown (decoder) guy produces this machine that is really something. It's a very unique loop sampler, the DJRND3. check out the link to get more info on this thing." so we put the odd words in parentheses ( ). The hungarian translations are really those words. we are thinking that it's some sort of slang....i wonder what 'steel production' means in the slang...does it mean DJ'ing? my coworker says 'vasgyártásban' usually is used to describe something in heavy industry...but she's lost touch with alot of slang. hope this helps, best, rich >Sorry, we've had a go but our multi-lingual sales girl Conny, reckons this >is Hungarian and it's not a language she speaks. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Emmanuel PERILLE [mailto:perille@club-internet.fr] >> Sent: 23 March 2001 12:50 >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Absolute.hu >> >> >> "Absolute : Õrült Franciák: Perille DJRND3 >> >> Azt már tapasztalhattuk hogy a francia zenészek ott vannak a > > toppon, most az is kiderül róluk hogy a vasgyártásban is >> jeleskednek. Egy otthoni megfejtõ nem semmi masinát >> készített. Ez egy egészen különleges loop sampler, ez a >> DJRND3. A linken többet is megtudhatsz a dologról." >> >> Is there eventually some loopers there who could help me to tranlate >> please ? >> >> Thanks >> >> EP >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 23 12:03:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08213; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:01:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:01:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 08:57:54 -0800 Subject: Re: Jam Man Upgrades From: kevin To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4A256A17.0000648C.00@ingsydhog2.mercantilemutual.com.au> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Anthony: We have one of the STEC modified Jamman. It is an amazing and challenging beast, and anyone interested in one thoughtful designers take on looping would be well rewarded by looking at the STEC web sight. Unfortunately, Bob was never able to get the rights from Lexicon to produce his machine. The STEC Jamman still works under the 32 second limitation. What a ride though! Best, Roctologists on 3/21/01 4:05 PM, Anthony.Hancock@ing.com.au at Anthony.Hancock@ing.com.au wrote: > > > Hello Loopy People, > > Have read some threads about possible changes done by Bob at Stec / Lexicon to > mod the Jam Man. However it seemed the last info was in 1997...did anything > happen? > > Also is there anyway to increase memory beyond 32 secs. > > Hope to know. > > Anthony > > NOTICE > The information contained in this electronic mail message is privileged and > confidential, and is intended only for use of the addressee. If you are not > the > intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, > distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If > you > have received this communication in error, please notify the sender by reply > transmission and delete the message without copying or disclosing it. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 23 12:21:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08921; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:18:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:18:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010323171544.21877.qmail@web5101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:15:44 -0800 (PST) From: Alx Subject: Re: Jam Man Upgrades To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I once read (donīt remember where) that the upgrade was kind of buggy, anyways check out: http://people.ne.mediaone.net/sellon/jamman1.htm Thatīs the Bob Sellon's JamMan Page Alx. --- kevin wrote: > Hi Anthony: > > We have one of the STEC modified Jamman. It is an > amazing and challenging > beast, and anyone interested in one thoughtful > designers take on looping > would be well rewarded by looking at the STEC web > sight. Unfortunately, Bob > was never able to get the rights from Lexicon to > produce his machine. > > The STEC Jamman still works under the 32 second > limitation. What a ride > though! > > Best, > Roctologists > > on 3/21/01 4:05 PM, Anthony.Hancock@ing.com.au at > Anthony.Hancock@ing.com.au > wrote: > > > > > > > Hello Loopy People, > > > > Have read some threads about possible changes done > by Bob at Stec / Lexicon to > > mod the Jam Man. However it seemed the last info > was in 1997...did anything > > happen? > > > > Also is there anyway to increase memory beyond 32 > secs. > > > > Hope to know. > > > > Anthony > > > > NOTICE > > The information contained in this electronic mail > message is privileged and > > confidential, and is intended only for use of the > addressee. If you are not > > the > > intended recipient, you are hereby notified that > any disclosure, reproduction, > > distribution or other use of this communication is > strictly prohibited. If > > you > > have received this communication in error, please > notify the sender by reply > > transmission and delete the message without > copying or disclosing it. > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 23 12:44:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09826; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:42:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:42:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 08:55:58 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Absolute.hu In-reply-to: <3ABB4691.807E2D0F@club-internet.fr> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" References: <3ABB4691.807E2D0F@club-internet.fr> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA09756 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:50 PM +0100 3/23/01, Emmanuel PERILLE wrote: >"Absolute : Õrült Franciák: Perille DJRND3 > >Azt már tapasztalhattuk hogy a francia zenészek ott vannak a >toppon, most az is kiderül róluk hogy a vasgyártásban is >jeleskednek. Egy otthoni megfejtõ nem semmi masinát >készített. Ez egy egészen különleges loop sampler, ez a >DJRND3. A linken többet is megtudhatsz a dologról." > >Is there eventually some loopers there who could help me to tranlate >please ? Here's the best I could do with an online dictionary: "Absolute : Õrült Franciák: Perille DJRND3 That (it) already (yet) tapasztalhattuk if (that) the French musicians there are the toppon, now it (she) come to light róluk if (that) the vasgyártásban also (too) jeleskednek. One (mono) otthoni megfejtõ not nothing masinát ready (thoroughgoing) deed (action). This one totally special loop sampler, this the DJRND3. The linken többet also (too) megtudhatsz a dologról." -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 23 12:48:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10439; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:46:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:46:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3ABB8C3B.20CC97A0@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:48:53 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Absolute.hu References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com rich wrote: > Okely Dokely... > > I've got a hungarian co-worker...so here we go. > > "We already experienced that the french musicians are on the top - > now it comes out that they are getting good in (steel production). > > A hometown (decoder) guy produces this machine that is really > something. It's a very unique loop sampler, the DJRND3. check out > the link to get more info on this thing." > > so we put the odd words in parentheses ( ). The hungarian > translations are really those words. we are thinking that it's some > sort of slang....i wonder what 'steel production' means in the > slang...does it mean DJ'ing? my coworker says 'vasgyártásban' > usually is used to describe something in heavy industry...but she's > lost touch with alot of slang. > > more likely means hardware. lance g. (1/4 hungarian, but not linguistically...) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 23 14:01:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13242; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:58:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:58:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3ABB9C19.CC2FF3EF@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:55:20 -0800 X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Absolute.hu References: <3ABB4691.807E2D0F@club-internet.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Emmanuel PERILLE wrote: > "Absolute : Õrült Franciák: Perille DJRND3 > > Azt már tapasztalhattuk hogy a francia zenészek ott vannak a I'm a little man on a trapeze that likes to eat hot dogs and beans > > toppon, most az is kiderül róluk hogy a vasgyártásban is with my good friends, the ground squirrels, though they are vegitarians. > > jeleskednek. Egy otthoni megfejtõ nem semmi masinát If your hat is uncomfortable, perhaps try a different hair style > > készített. Ez egy egészen különleges loop sampler, ez a it always grows back. I hear the soup in your country is very good. > > DJRND3. A linken többet is megtudhatsz a dologról." I hope to visit your country one day and rent a car. > > > Is there eventually some loopers there who could help me to tranlate > please ? > > Thanks > > EP I hope that helps, Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 23 14:31:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15387; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:30:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:30:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3ABBA3E8.6A5AC19D@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:28:49 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT.Absolute.hu References: <3ABB4691.807E2D0F@club-internet.fr> <3ABB9C19.CC2FF3EF@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <6n_gy.A.UtD.NO6u6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Sottilaro wrote: > ...I'm a little man on a trapeze that likes to eat hot dogs and beans > > > toppon, most az is kiderül róluk hogy a vasgyártásban is > > with my good friends, the ground squirrels, though they are > vegetarians... ROFL! can you accompany us on our next trip to slovenia? lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 23 15:05:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17483; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:01:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:01:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:45:14 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Jam Man Upgrades Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can you please provide the web URL link the the STEC web page? I would be interested in seeing what they are doing with the Jammie... After hearing about the bugs of Sellon's upgrade, and having absolutely NO response to multiple emails to him, i gave up. thanks, rich >Hi Anthony: > >We have one of the STEC modified Jamman. It is an amazing and challenging >beast, and anyone interested in one thoughtful designers take on looping >would be well rewarded by looking at the STEC web sight. Unfortunately, Bob >was never able to get the rights from Lexicon to produce his machine. > >The STEC Jamman still works under the 32 second limitation. What a ride >though! > >Best, >Roctologists > >on 3/21/01 4:05 PM, Anthony.Hancock@ing.com.au at Anthony.Hancock@ing.com.au >wrote: > >> >> >> Hello Loopy People, >> >> Have read some threads about possible changes done by Bob at Stec >>/ Lexicon to >> mod the Jam Man. However it seemed the last info was in 1997...did anything >> happen? >> >> Also is there anyway to increase memory beyond 32 secs. >> >> Hope to know. >> >> Anthony >> >> NOTICE >> The information contained in this electronic mail message is privileged and >> confidential, and is intended only for use of the addressee. If you are not >> the >> intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, >>reproduction, >> distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If >> you >> have received this communication in error, please notify the sender by reply >> transmission and delete the message without copying or disclosing it. >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 23 15:09:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18114; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:07:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:07:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:51:32 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Jam Man Upgrades Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry, didn't realize that STEC is Bob Sellon's upgrade. Is anybody else using this? Is this the same upgrade that people put in, then pulled because it was so buggy? rich Can you please provide the web URL link the the STEC web page? I would be interested in seeing what they are doing with the Jammie... After hearing about the bugs of Sellon's upgrade, and having absolutely NO response to multiple emails to him, i gave up. thanks, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 23 15:36:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19085; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:35:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:35:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:31:05 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, kevin From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: STEC Jam Man Upgrades Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi,Kevein Where is the Stec Websit?. Does Bob still do mods on existing Jammen? At 8:57 AM -0800 3/23/01, kevin wrote: >Hi Anthony: > >We have one of the STEC modified Jamman. It is an amazing and challenging >beast, and anyone interested in one thoughtful designers take on looping >would be well rewarded by looking at the STEC web sight. Unfortunately, Bob >was never able to get the rights from Lexicon to produce his machine. > >The STEC Jamman still works under the 32 second limitation. What a ride >though! > >Best, >Roctologists > >on 3/21/01 4:05 PM, Anthony.Hancock@ing.com.au at Anthony.Hancock@ing.com.au >wrote: > >> >> >> Hello Loopy People, >> >> Have read some threads about possible changes done by Bob at Stec >>/ Lexicon to >> mod the Jam Man. However it seemed the last info was in 1997...did anything >> happen? >> >> Also is there anyway to increase memory beyond 32 secs. >> >> Hope to know. >> > > Anthony > > -- "Once the search is in progress, something will be found" -- Brian Eno and Peter Schmidt Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 23 16:33:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22373; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:30:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:30:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3ABB9C19.CC2FF3EF@zerocrossing.net> References: <3ABB4691.807E2D0F@club-internet.fr> <3ABB9C19.CC2FF3EF@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:15:36 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Absolute.hu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA22145 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, Jeepers. Don't you realize we're all waiting for the soon to be released, highly powerful, Hungarian manufactured UGYANASIT MANDOD? Imagine if they took offense to your little joke...they might postpone delivery indefinitely! :) rich > > készített. Ez egy egészen különleges loop sampler, ez a > >it always grows back. I hear the soup in your country is very good. > > > >I hope that helps, > >Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 23 16:53:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23263; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:52:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:52:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <22.13acd4b2.27ed1f28@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:50:32 EST Subject: Re: Your New Foot Controller Yamaha mfc-10 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > you can start recording with EDP, is the mfc-10 fast enough for this? I notice a 'considerable ' delay with my mfc-10 (even when using it to play notes) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 23 16:53:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23247; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:51:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:51:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <37.128099b2.27ed1f27@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:50:31 EST Subject: Re Envelope follower To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: <2wFomC.A.6qF.LV8u6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > (Quesstion: will > an envelope follower let me do something like that better? not really > If not, what > will? a gate > what is an envelope follower?) produces a control voltage related to the volume of the input signal, typically used to control filter frequency( e.g. autowah) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 23 17:34:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26846; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:31:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:31:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <30.1243f6b1.27ed2848@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:29:28 EST Subject: Re: PMC10 Worries To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 23 17:41:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27295; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:39:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:39:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3ABC4F14.740B506A@vtx.ch> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 23:39:00 -0800 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Absolute.hu References: <3ABB4691.807E2D0F@club-internet.fr> <3ABB9C19.CC2FF3EF@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Sottilaro wrote: snip > > > > jeleskednek. Egy otthoni megfejtõ nem semmi masinát > > If your hat is uncomfortable, perhaps try a different hair style > > > > > készített. Ez egy egészen különleges loop sampler, ez a > > it always grows back. I hear the soup in your country is very good. > > > > > DJRND3. A linken többet is megtudhatsz a dologról." > > I hope to visit your country one day and rent a car. > snip Mort de rire ...... merci Mark ! Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 23 18:10:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29325; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:08:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:08:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: PMC10 Q's Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:04:52 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010323002740.01feae50@pop.mindspring.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wonder when you might need to switch back and forth between two different patches? Steve > > In the manual that I have (thanks to Miko!) the descriptions > are on page > 3-2. Enhanced: > 1. pressing a pedal set to enhanced causes the pedal LED to > light and MIDI > String A to be sent. > 2. if you press the same pedal again, the LED goes out and > MIDI String B is > sent. > 3. if an enhanced pedal LED is lit and another enhanced or > normal pedal is > pressed, MIDI String B of the lit pedal and MIDI String A of > the new pedal > will be sent together, lighting the new pedal's LED and > turning off the other. > 4. every time the new pedal is pressed after the initial > switch, it will > act as a toggle between the last enhanced or normal pedal > that was pressed > and the new pedal. in other words, the PMC10 will switch alternately > between the two every time the new pedal is pressed. > > the important difference between normal and enhanced modes is > that a pedal > set to enhanced can be used to switch back and forth between > the currently > selected patch and the previous patch, whereas normal mode does not > remember the previously selected patch. > > > > At 03:03 PM 3/22/2001, Steve wrote: > >Also, in my manual that came with the PMC10 that I > purchased, the only pedal > >actions that are available are "NORMAL, MOMENTARY, and > TOGGLE". However, > >both in my PMC10 options and in the Raymond application, > there is a pedal > >action called "ENHANCED". Does anyone know what it does? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 23 18:42:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30259; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:29:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:29:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <007101c0b3f9$8a78e020$a697800a@cso0737101> From: "Mike Feeney" To: Subject: hello Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:29:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <3y8rz.A.bYH.ew9u6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there, I am new to the list, but I've been wanting to get into looping for quite some time. I am a solo acoustic guitarist/vocalist, and I really want to get a looping unit for my performances. I have read over a great deal of the info on the website, and of course thinking about the Oberheim EDP makes me drool, but I think it's out of my price range. Are there looping units out there that are less expensive but still do a decent job? I'm hoping to be able to loop at least 2 or 3 guitar patterns on top of each other, hopefully more. Any recommendations on units that I should look at? What prices? Thanks a bunch. Mike Feeney _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 23 18:43:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30642; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:31:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:31:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.4.1 Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:30:00 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Subject: RE: PMC10 Q's Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA30579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well... I often do it to switch distortions and back with a single button press... I also do it when I use a patch on a little used bank, then return to my main bank... then want the first patch back again. I set up switches everywhere to do cc value assignments. I have a Waldorf 4-pole bank with several buttons setup to control anywhere between 1 and 4 cc values. I also have a bank setup to handle controllers in my Korg AM8000r. So I go shopping for those cc buttons in my various banks... I frequently bounce between controller patches on two units... and use the expeds for each... then toggle again for more variation. I've got an EDP bank as well. -Miko >>> sginn@airmail.net 03/23/01 03:04PM >>> I wonder when you might need to switch back and forth between two different patches? Steve > > In the manual that I have (thanks to Miko!) the descriptions > are on page > 3-2. Enhanced: > 1. pressing a pedal set to enhanced causes the pedal LED to > light and MIDI > String A to be sent. > 2. if you press the same pedal again, the LED goes out and > MIDI String B is > sent. > 3. if an enhanced pedal LED is lit and another enhanced or > normal pedal is > pressed, MIDI String B of the lit pedal and MIDI String A of > the new pedal > will be sent together, lighting the new pedal's LED and > turning off the other. > 4. every time the new pedal is pressed after the initial > switch, it will > act as a toggle between the last enhanced or normal pedal > that was pressed > and the new pedal. in other words, the PMC10 will switch alternately > between the two every time the new pedal is pressed. > > the important difference between normal and enhanced modes is > that a pedal > set to enhanced can be used to switch back and forth between > the currently > selected patch and the previous patch, whereas normal mode does not > remember the previously selected patch. > > > > At 03:03 PM 3/22/2001, Steve wrote: > >Also, in my manual that came with the PMC10 that I > purchased, the only pedal > >actions that are available are "NORMAL, MOMENTARY, and > TOGGLE". However, > >both in my PMC10 options and in the Raymond application, > there is a pedal > >action called "ENHANCED". Does anyone know what it does? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 23 19:41:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01118; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:39:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:39:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:38:18 -0800 Subject: Re: Jam Man Upgrades From: kevin To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://people.ne.mediaone.net/sellon/jamman0_4contents.htm on 3/23/01 11:45 AM, rich at rich@nuvisionsca.com wrote: > Can you please provide the web URL link the the STEC web page? I > would be interested in seeing what they are doing with the Jammie... > > After hearing about the bugs of Sellon's upgrade, and having > absolutely NO response to multiple emails to him, i gave up. > > thanks, > > rich > > > >> Hi Anthony: >> >> We have one of the STEC modified Jamman. It is an amazing and challenging >> beast, and anyone interested in one thoughtful designers take on looping >> would be well rewarded by looking at the STEC web sight. Unfortunately, Bob >> was never able to get the rights from Lexicon to produce his machine. >> >> The STEC Jamman still works under the 32 second limitation. What a ride >> though! >> >> Best, >> Roctologists >> >> on 3/21/01 4:05 PM, Anthony.Hancock@ing.com.au at Anthony.Hancock@ing.com.au >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Hello Loopy People, >>> >>> Have read some threads about possible changes done by Bob at Stec >>> / Lexicon to >>> mod the Jam Man. However it seemed the last info was in 1997...did anything >>> happen? >>> >>> Also is there anyway to increase memory beyond 32 secs. >>> >>> Hope to know. >>> >>> Anthony >>> >>> NOTICE >>> The information contained in this electronic mail message is privileged and >>> confidential, and is intended only for use of the addressee. If you are not >>> the >>> intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, >>> reproduction, >>> distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If >>> you >>> have received this communication in error, please notify the sender by reply >>> transmission and delete the message without copying or disclosing it. >>> >>> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 23 20:05:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03073; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:02:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:02:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c0b3fd$ba1c79a0$1228059a@hal> Reply-To: "Christian Leduc" From: "Christian Leduc" To: References: <007101c0b3f9$8a78e020$a697800a@cso0737101> Subject: Re: hello Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:59:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, it depends of a couple of things... how much looping times to you want? Well, maybe the Boomerang is for you.. It is not that expansive, offers good looping times (couple of minutes), has a better sound quality (the new upgraded one).. There is also the Line 6 DL-4 which I don't like very much but that's my point on that question... But it is decent and is quite inexpansive for all the things you can do with it.. Look on the web site on "Tools of the trade" and read a lot.. :) You have a bunch of informations there... Best, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Feeney" To: Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 7:29 PM Subject: hello > > Hi there, > > I am new to the list, but I've been wanting to get into looping for quite > some time. I am a solo acoustic guitarist/vocalist, and I really want to > get a looping unit for my performances. I have read over a great deal of > the > info on the website, and of course thinking about the Oberheim EDP makes me > drool, but I think it's out of my price range. Are there looping units out > there that are less expensive but still do a decent job? I'm hoping to be > able to loop at least 2 or 3 guitar patterns on top of each other, hopefully > more. Any recommendations on units that I should look at? What prices? > > Thanks a bunch. > > Mike Feeney > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 23 21:52:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06473; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:50:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:50:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 02:55:12 +0000 Subject: Loopingdevices for sale... From: Graham Pattison To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id VAA06232 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got some equipment for sale thought I'd give you guys first option on it. Lexicon Jamman with 32 sec memory, footswitch and manual - Ģ400 ($600us) Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro with footswitch and full memory and manual - Ģ600 ($900us) (2 available) All items in great condition and have been well looked after and never used in a gig situation. I am based in the UK but will consider shipping to USA as I travel there a lot. Email me direct please, the group gets clogged up enough right? Graham Pattison. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 23 22:40:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09095; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 22:39:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 22:39:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004b01c0b412$a125e480$39231a3f@oemcomputer> From: "Petr" To: , References: <22.13acd4b2.27ed1f28@aol.com> Subject: Re: Your New Foot Controller Yamaha mfc-10 Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:28:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > you can start recording with EDP, > is the mfc-10 fast enough for this? > I notice a 'considerable ' delay with my mfc-10 *** I don't notice any delay. If there is any, it is not "considerable" because I cannot considere it. I was a little worried about it, as I was reading related posts in LD archives, but I dont perceive any delay when I record. The loops are quite tight. petr music * poetry guitar * looping * percussion www.geocities.com/pepetr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 24 00:16:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA12983; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 00:13:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 00:13:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: A new streaming mp3 station Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:11:38 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Mar 2001 05:11:38.0356 (UTC) FILETIME=[E793F340:01C0B420] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This one focuses on field/environmental recordings, music made from environmental recordings, and music focusing on field recordings but also containing some non-invasive real instruments. I built it to go along with the ongoing CT-Location project. http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/172/headphone_tourism.html Enjoy, if you want! Matt Davignon ------------------------------------------------------------------- "Ooh, look! I made a poopy!" -Matt Davignon _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 24 00:28:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA13492; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 00:26:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 00:26:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 00:26:24 -0500 Subject: Re: Simran Gleason - Velcro From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200103221957.OAA20147@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3068238384_45621_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3068238384_45621_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Simran -- What a great idea velcroing your stuff in a suitcase! I have several little 1/2-rack space modules and thingies that need to be patched together and you've given me the perfect solution so I don't have to patch everything together again everytime I set up -- what I've done is velcro everything to a wooden board which I plan to put in a suitcase so I can remove the board when I play (since I need front and top access to my gear ) -- I plan to protect the gear with bubblewrap while it's in the valise. Any comments from your experience? Thanks again for the idea -- --MS_Mac_OE_3068238384_45621_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Simran Gleason - Velcro Simran --
What a great idea velcroing your stuff in a suitcase!
I have several little 1/2-rack space modules and thingies that need to be p= atched together and you've given me the perfect solution so I don't have to = patch everything together again everytime I set up --
what I've done is velcro everything to a wooden board which I plan to put i= n a suitcase so I can remove the board when I play (since I need front and t= op access to my gear ) -- I plan to protect the gear with bubblewrap while i= t's in the valise.  Any comments from your experience?
Thanks again for the idea --
 --MS_Mac_OE_3068238384_45621_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 24 04:06:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA20616; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 04:04:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 04:04:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010324090253.1742.qmail@web5105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 01:02:53 -0800 (PST) From: Alx Subject: Re: hello To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <007101c0b3f9$8a78e020$a697800a@cso0737101> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You might want to check the Boomerang or the Line6īs DL4 Alx. --- Mike Feeney wrote: > > Hi there, > > I am new to the list, but I've been wanting to get > into looping for quite > some time. I am a solo acoustic guitarist/vocalist, > and I really want to > get a looping unit for my performances. I have read > over a great deal of > the > info on the website, and of course thinking about > the Oberheim EDP makes me > drool, but I think it's out of my price range. Are > there looping units out > there that are less expensive but still do a decent > job? I'm hoping to be > able to loop at least 2 or 3 guitar patterns on top > of each other, hopefully > more. Any recommendations on units that I should > look at? What prices? > > Thanks a bunch. > > Mike Feeney > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 24 04:27:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA21158; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 04:25:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 04:25:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c0e42b$66a9bae0$ae82e3a5@looppool> From: "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: tricking sound editors and other forced randomizations Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 01:27:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <5wRazD.A.6JF.FfGv6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey gang, I read in the really thought provoking sound design supplement to a recent Electronic Musician Magazine, that one could rename a text file or jpeg file as a .wav file (or .aiff file for you mac-ies out there) to create some interesting random noises. I just tried doing this in sound forge and got this prompt: "The file you tried to open is not a Wave file or contains an unrecoverable error. A valid RIFF tag could not be found in the specified file." I had just tried taking a .txt file, copying it, and renaming it with a ".wav" extension. Does anyone know how to trick the sound editor into recognizing a text or jpeg (or any file for that matter). Please don't tell me that it can only be done on a Mac. I will have to shoot myself and what a mess that would make. I promise that I will loop the results so that this post will remain on topic ;-) Rick "I back up everything now" Walker PS Speaking of that devil: How's about a little fascinating thread on how to use randomization (or deliberately misusing a program) to create interesting sounds (or artifacts, as I like to call them...............I think of these discoveries as sound bites from long lost civilizations in the future). If anyone is game, I'll go first: In the PC program Sound Forge ( a digital editor) there is a bar above the visible screen that shows you where you are in the sound file (this is in case you are looking at a very blown up portion of a sound file but you want to keep track of where you are in the entire file). It is immediately above the numbers that tell you exactly where you are in the sound file and immediately below the name of your file at the top of the document. It in effect is a scrub bar and is represented by a simple line that moves and shows you where you are as the file plays. If, while the file is playing, you go up and grab that bar with your cursor, you can interrupt the flow of the playback, by alternately dragging back and letting it go. You can create really interesting stuttering noises which each create a transient ( that can be reedited in a beat splicing program like ReCycle or the brilliant new program REASON from the Propellerheads people). What I do is open up my Sound Forge file and scrub it, improvisationally while simultaneously rerecording the file into Wave Lab or Cool Edit Pro (because, unfortunately, Sound Forge will not let you open and play a document while you record it into another one, or at least I haven't discovered how to do it.. For Looping, a trick I use is to 'jam' with this effect for as long as it is fun to do so. Then go back and listen with my eyes closed and my finger on the marking button (control M on the PC). Anytime anything really cool happens I put a marker down. Once I'm finished I'll go back to my marked spots and determine if there is anything there that would qualify as an interesting loop and pick the most interesting one (survival of the fittest?). I've gotten a lot of good results with this method and frequently have people ask me, "how did you design that sound" which is, perhaps the coolest thing that a sound designer could ever hear. Any other cool methods? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 24 04:41:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA21746; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 04:39:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 04:39:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 04:37:43 -0500 Subject: Re: tricking sound editors and other forced randomizations Message-ID: <20010324.043744.-1639703.3.aiwaz93@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1,3-11,13-105 From: David J Greiner Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I recall doing this awhile back, prior to my soundforge days. If you open the file in a lower grade player it will usually work. Try opening it in windows media rack or whatever crappy wav player you may have that came with windows (there's always at least one!). 'course, back when I first did this I had a super-dooper 486 dx/2 running windows 3.1. so programs would try and play anything without much resolve before hand.... -David- On Thu, 24 May 2001 01:27:17 -0700 "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" writes: > Hey gang, I read in the really thought provoking sound design > supplement > to a recent Electronic Musician Magazine, that one could > rename a text file or jpeg file as a .wav file (or .aiff file for > you > mac-ies out there) to create some interesting random noises. > > I just tried doing this in sound forge and > got this prompt: > > "The file you tried to open is not a Wave file or contains an > unrecoverable > error. > A valid RIFF tag could not be found in the specified file." > > I had just tried taking a .txt file, copying it, and renaming it > with a > ".wav" extension. > Does anyone know how to trick the sound editor into recognizing a > text or > jpeg (or any file for that matter). > Please don't tell me that it can only be done on a Mac. I will have > to > shoot myself and what a mess that would make. > > I promise that I will loop the results so that this post will remain > on > topic ;-) > > Rick "I back up everything now" Walker > > PS Speaking of that devil: How's about a little fascinating > thread on how > to use randomization (or deliberately misusing a program) > to create interesting sounds (or artifacts, as I like to call > them...............I think of these discoveries as sound bites from > long > lost > civilizations in the future). > > If anyone is game, I'll go first: > > In the PC program Sound Forge ( a digital editor) there is a bar > above the > visible > screen that shows you where you are in the sound file (this is in > case you > are looking at a very blown up portion of a sound file but you want > to keep > track of where you are in the entire file). It is immediately > above the > numbers that tell you exactly where you are in the sound file > and immediately below the name of your file at the top of the > document. > It in effect is a scrub bar and is represented by a simple line > that moves and shows you where you are as the file plays. > If, while the file is playing, you go up and grab that bar with > your > cursor, you can interrupt the flow of the playback, by alternately > dragging > back and letting it go. You can create really interesting stuttering > noises > which each create a transient ( that can be reedited in a beat > splicing > program like ReCycle or the brilliant new program REASON from the > Propellerheads people). What I do is open up my > Sound Forge file and scrub it, improvisationally while > simultaneously > rerecording the file into Wave Lab or Cool Edit Pro (because, > unfortunately, > Sound Forge will not let you open and play a document while you > record it > into another one, or at least I haven't discovered how to do it.. > For Looping, a trick I use is to 'jam' with this effect for as > long as > it is fun to do so. Then go back and listen with my eyes closed > and my > finger on the marking button (control M on the PC). Anytime > anything > really cool happens I put a marker down. Once I'm finished > I'll go back to my marked spots and determine if there is anything > there > that would qualify as an interesting loop and pick the most > interesting one > (survival of the fittest?). I've gotten a lot of good results > with this > method and frequently have people ask me, "how did you design that > sound" > which is, perhaps the coolest thing that a sound designer could ever > hear. > Any other cool methods? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 24 04:42:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA21958; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 04:40:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 04:40:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 04:38:57 -0500 Subject: Re: Absolute.hu Message-ID: <20010324.043858.-1639703.4.aiwaz93@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: David J Greiner Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > sort of slang....i wonder what 'steel production' means in the > > slang...does it mean DJ'ing? my coworker says 'vasgyártásban' > > usually is used to describe something in heavy industry...but > she's > > lost touch with alot of slang. > > > > > > more likely means hardware. Or is a reference to "Industrial Music" i.e. Skinny Puppy, KMFDM and, sometimes, NiN.... -David- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 24 05:08:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA23904; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 05:07:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 05:07:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c0b44a$c6c73ee0$337c0d98@uncg.edu> Reply-To: "insect politics" From: "insect politics" To: References: <20010324.043744.-1639703.3.aiwaz93@juno.com> Subject: Re: tricking sound editors and other forced randomizations Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 05:11:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com here's the trick: when you get to the open prompt, select file type .raw, then you can open ANYTHING and it asks you what sample rate you want, etc. try opening big system files.. lovely. incidentally, adobe can save as .raw, so you can go back and forth to some degree as long as you stay in .raw format. if i left something out my apologies but that's basically how i do it. enjoy! Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 24 05:23:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA24350; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 05:21:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 05:21:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c0b44c$d69cfa60$337c0d98@uncg.edu> Reply-To: "insect politics" From: "insect politics" To: References: <20010324.043744.-1639703.3.aiwaz93@juno.com> <000901c0b44a$c6c73ee0$337c0d98@uncg.edu> Subject: Re: tricking sound editors and other forced randomizations Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 05:26:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com er, i meant to say adobe photoshop not just adobe. try saving a huge jpg as raw and opening it in soundforge. you can then reopen it as raw in photoshop! it's fun to see what visual effects do the sound and vice versa. have fun From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 24 09:49:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA31078; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 09:47:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 09:47:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.122.233.63] From: "Derek van Beever" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Muslimgauze techniques Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:45:23 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Mar 2001 14:45:23.0383 (UTC) FILETIME=[0E7E3470:01C0B471] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I recently joined the list... I would like to discuss looping techniques as it relates to reel to reel tape. When I first heard the music of Muslimgauze I was amazed at the clarity and focus of the loops used. Later I found out that Muslimgauze never touched a sampler or computer. I have since been trying to figure exactly how Bryn Jones (of Muslimgauze) mixed loops, i.e. Did he use one tape machine, a machine with seperated record and playback heads, did he splice tape, etc. I would be interested in discussing this with experienced tape loopers. Derek _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 24 10:04:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA00476; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 10:02:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 10:02:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <115001c0b473$6ccbace0$a0ad5cd1@-> To: From: "Bill Fox" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #209 Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 10:01:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed with a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #209 March 22, 2001. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Robert Scott Thompson, an Associate Professor of Music at Georgia State University in Atlanta where he is also the director of CARA, the Center for Audio Recording Arts. Robert has releases in several genres and on many labels. The feature CD at Midnight was "Alchemy" on his own Aucourant label. I also played music by James Johnson as a preview to the next Gathering where he will make his Philadelphia debut. Prana, an eight member group led by Baird Hersey and who employ overtone singing methods, will also appear at this Gathering. Robert Scott Thompson http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/palylists/2001/focus01.html#mar The Gathering http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Navigator Off the Rails Northern Consequences (Invisible Shadows) Markus Reuter Swallowed Cold Digitalis (Hypnos) Syndromeda In Chaos Beyond Conception Syndromeda In Chaos (EMMA) VA [Todd Fletcher] Refraction Tracks Across the Universe (Jim Brenholts) Ma Ja Le & Methane Sea Live Under a Harvest Moon James Johnson (Zero Music) VA [Robert Scott Curvature The Other World (Hypnos) Thompson] Deep Chill Network Droplets Yukon (Dark Duck) 12:00 am Robert Scott Thompson Mist Cloud Cover (Aucourant) Robert Scott Thompson A Sea of Stars Cloud Cover (Aucourant) Robert Scott Thompson Luna Cloud Cover (Aucourant) Robert Scott Thompson Cloud Cover Cloud Cover (Aucourant) Robert Scott Thompson Drift Cloud Cover (Aucourant) Robert Scott Thompson Terra Cloud Cover (Aucourant) Robert Scott Thompson Dimensions of Paradise Cloud Cover (Aucourant) Robert Scott Thompson Wind on Water Cloud Cover (Aucourant) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Dr. Robert Scott Thompson. Next week's feature CD at midnight will be "In Ruins" on Robert's own Aucourant Records label. I will also play music in support of the next Gathering. Next week begins the Spring Membership Drive. so be prepared for a fun time. And on the April 5th EMUSIC, I will play the new seven hour Robert Rich DVD, Somnium in its entirety. One autographed copy will be available as a thank you gift to one lucky pledge giver. Tune in for details and relive the sleep concert experience unique to Robert Rich. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 24 11:25:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03298; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:22:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:22:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <13d701c0b47e$c9268e00$a0ad5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: Absolute.hu Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:23:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Claude Voit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Friday, March 23, 2001 5:49 PM Subject: Re: Absolute.hu >Mort de rire ...... > >merci Mark ! Ah, but what a way to go! C'est la bombe! :-) Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 24 12:20:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06041; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 12:18:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 12:18:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 09:13:36 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist #209 - typo alert! In-reply-to: <115001c0b473$6ccbace0$a0ad5cd1@-> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Undisclosed.Recipients@post2.fast.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: <115001c0b473$6ccbace0$a0ad5cd1@-> Resent-Message-ID: <5f6a8.A.YZB.KaNv6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:01 AM -0500 3/24/01, Bill Fox wrote: >Robert Scott Thompson >http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/palylists/2001/focus01.html#mar Should be: http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2001/focus01.html#mar -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 24 13:22:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08465; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 13:19:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 13:19:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 12:17:27 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: tricking sound editors and other forced randomizations To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <05d401c0b48e$af15efa0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <001701c0e42b$66a9bae0$ae82e3a5@looppool> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Does anyone know how to trick the sound editor into recognizing a text or > jpeg (or any file for that matter). you have to set your input type (in the open file requester) to "raw"... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 24 13:34:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08856; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 13:33:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 13:33:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sent: 24 Mar 2001 18:31:55 GMT Reply-To: From: "Paul A. Baugher" To: Subject: MK-4902 Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 13:36:05 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 In-Reply-To: <05d401c0b48e$af15efa0$080210ac@jpalmer> Disposition-Notification-To: "Paul A. Baugher" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I won a mk-4902 keyboard on ebay, but with no manual :) ... I've done the searching but haven't come up with anything... if any of you could help me out by explaining how to program the wheels, and presets (or just basically what the buttons do:)...It'd be much appreciated! BTW, I have it hooked up to my AudioPhile 24/96 and is working great! -pb From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 24 13:47:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09718; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 13:45:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 13:45:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sent: 24 Mar 2001 18:40:12 GMT Reply-To: From: "Paul A. Baugher" To: Subject: Using two computers/MIDI Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 13:44:23 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 In-Reply-To: <05d401c0b48e$af15efa0$080210ac@jpalmer> Disposition-Notification-To: "Paul A. Baugher" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a server with an Live/Drive, and another workstation for hd recording, with 2 sound cards, 1 another live, and the other a Audiophile 24/96 for recording. I want to hook up my controller to the midi in on the server, then from the MIDI out to the MIDI IN on the 24/96 (to synchronize everything)... but the signal doesn't seem to be passing through. I read about some MIDI equipment having MIDI IN/OUT/THROUGH but also read that the MIDI out on a computer acts as both an OUT/THRU port, so I don't understand why this isn't working... please help me understand! thnx! -pb From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 24 15:37:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13687; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 15:34:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 15:34:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010324203301.22395.qmail@web5102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 12:33:01 -0800 (PST) From: Alx Subject: Re: Loopingdevices for sale... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you want to obtain the amount of money youīre asking you should try to sell them on Ebay, itīs the only place where someone would pay (maybe) what youīre asking for. Alx. --- Graham Pattison wrote: > I've got some equipment for sale thought I'd give > you guys first option on > it. > > Lexicon Jamman with 32 sec memory, footswitch and > manual > - Ģ400 ($600us) > Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro with footswitch and > full memory and manual - > Ģ600 ($900us) > (2 available) > All items in great condition and have been well > looked after and never used > in a gig situation. > > I am based in the UK but will consider shipping to > USA as I travel there a > lot. > Email me direct please, the group gets clogged up > enough right? > Graham Pattison. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 24 19:29:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23036; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:27:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:27:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Bowerbird77@webtv.net X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRRHvCRuW1KAm/zDwjETNnuDn9NhAIUK2EZgza4QrfYUWZx++gGxzEEsUI= Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 16:25:52 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Reel to Reel Tape Message-ID: <25516-3ABD3B10-8387@storefull-245.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <6Z3J_B.A.7kF.ZsTv6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone know where I can find good quality new 1/4 reel tape in the L.A. area, or even a mail order catalog? Is this tape even made anymore? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 24 19:41:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23767; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:40:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:40:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001401c0b4c4$142172e0$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <25516-3ABD3B10-8387@storefull-245.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Reel to Reel Tape Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 00:39:39 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You might try ProjectOne on Sunset Blvd, just short of Cherokee. I used to get media there a lot, mostly CDRs, but they stock a lot of different things. 323-464-2285. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 25 March 2001 00:25 AM Subject: Reel to Reel Tape > Anyone know where I can find good quality new 1/4 reel tape in the L.A. > area, or even a mail order catalog? Is this tape even made anymore? > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 24 20:52:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26577; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 20:51:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 20:51:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:49:59 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Reel to Reel Tape In-reply-to: <001401c0b4c4$142172e0$0201a8c0@stephen> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: "Stephen P. Goodman" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1226637486==_ma============" References: <25516-3ABD3B10-8387@storefull-245.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <001401c0b4c4$142172e0$0201a8c0@stephen> Resent-Message-ID: <6Ejmq.A.eaG.U7Uv6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1226637486==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 12:39 AM +0000 3/25/01, Stephen P. Goodman wrote: >You might try ProjectOne on Sunset Blvd, just short of Cherokee. ALso in the Valley: Project One AV 10623 Burbank Blvd North Hollywood, CA (818) 753-8273 -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com --============_-1226637486==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Reel to Reel Tape
At 12:39 AM +0000 3/25/01, Stephen P. Goodman wrote:
You might try ProjectOne on Sunset Blvd, just short of Cherokee.

ALso in the Valley:

Project One AV
10623 Burbank Blvd
North Hollywood, CA
(818) 753-8273
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--============_-1226637486==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 24 23:09:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA32167; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 23:08:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 23:08:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 05:05:31 +0100 Subject: Re: Loopingdevices for sale... From: Graham Pattison To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20010324203301.22395.qmail@web5102.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the advice. I know it's a lot but it is still less than I paid. If you are on this list does that automatically mean you are poor? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 25 01:47:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04047; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 01:45:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 01:45:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010325064441.3783.qmail@web5102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 22:44:41 -0800 (PST) From: Alx Subject: Re: Loopingdevices for sale... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Graham Pattison wrote: > If you are on this list does that automatically mean > you are poor? No, that automatically means that youīre not stupid to pay that amount of money for used gear, especially if you can find the EDP brand new for less. Alx. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 25 02:03:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA05383; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 02:01:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 02:01:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "omjn" To: "Loopers-Delight" , Subject: RE: Using two computers/MIDI Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 15:00:08 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi I'm pretty sure you need a midi loop-back device to do this, PC midi won't send through on its own without software intervention (i think, but my midi is pretty vague). Hubi's is a popular one but I don't think it works on W2k. mn -----Original Message----- From: Paul A. Baugher [mailto:pbaugher@digitalskyline.com] Sent: Sunday, 25 March 2001 2:44 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Using two computers/MIDI I have a server with an Live/Drive, and another workstation for hd recording, with 2 sound cards, 1 another live, and the other a Audiophile 24/96 for recording. I want to hook up my controller to the midi in on the server, then from the MIDI out to the MIDI IN on the 24/96 (to synchronize everything)... but the signal doesn't seem to be passing through. I read about some MIDI equipment having MIDI IN/OUT/THROUGH but also read that the MIDI out on a computer acts as both an OUT/THRU port, so I don't understand why this isn't working... please help me understand! thnx! -pb From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 25 02:34:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA05903; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 02:33:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 02:33:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 02:31:21 -0500 Subject: Re: Reel to Reel Tape Message-ID: <20010325.023122.-1328643.1.aiwaz93@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David J Greiner Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Radio Shack -David- On Sat, 24 Mar 2001 16:25:52 -0800 (PST) Bowerbird77@webtv.net writes: > Anyone know where I can find good quality new 1/4 reel tape in the > L.A. > area, or even a mail order catalog? Is this tape even made anymore? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 25 03:41:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA07726; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 03:38:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 03:38:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <14b801c0b506$c63d20e0$a0ad5cd1@-> To: From: "Bill Fox" Subject: EMUSIC Has a Yahoo Group Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 03:36:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_14B5_01C0B4DC.DD6718E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_14B5_01C0B4DC.DD6718E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear EMUSIC Listeners, Artists, Labels, and Promoters, I am trying an experiment. To create a communications conduit that = includes me, EMUSIC radio listeners, and the artists, record labels, and = promoters who need or want information about EMUSIC, I have started a = Yahoo Group mailing list. I plan to publish the weekly playlists, = monthly top 20 reports, and weekly promotional announcements on this = list. This list also gives the artists (etc.) a direct line to = listeners for their promotional activities, concert information, CD = release information, and anything else that needs to be communicated. = Here's the information for the EMUSIC on WDIY list: Post message: emusic-wdiy@yahoogroups.com=20 Subscribe: emusic-wdiy-subscribe@yahoogroups.com=20 Unsubscribe: emusic-wdiy-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com=20 List owner: emusic-wdiy-owner@yahoogroups.com=20 All new subscribers will have to be approved by me to gain membership. = This is a precautionary tactic to keep away spammers and people who = really aren't involved in the EMUSIC family. Once approved, the list in = unmoderated. However, the topic is anything related to my radio show = that is for public consumption. Please, let's stay on topic as much as = possible. Artists, record labels, and promoters: Please remember that this list = is intended as a public forum where my listeners are included. I'm sure = that there will be plenty of email messages that should still remain = private between us. Remember, this list is an experiment. If it = doesn't serve the needs of the combined community of listeners and music = creators/distributors, I may consider dividing this list into two = separate communities. But for now, let's see how things go. Best regards, Bill billfox@fast.net = http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays = at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay = consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox ------=_NextPart_000_14B5_01C0B4DC.DD6718E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear EMUSIC Listeners, Artists, Labels, and Promoters,
 
I am trying an experiment.  To create a communications conduit = that=20 includes me, EMUSIC radio listeners, and the artists, record labels, and = promoters who need or want information about EMUSIC, I have started a = Yahoo=20 Group mailing list.  I plan to publish the weekly playlists, = monthly top 20=20 reports, and weekly promotional announcements on this list.  This = list also=20 gives the artists (etc.) a direct line to listeners for their = promotional=20 activities, concert information, CD release information, and anything = else that=20 needs to be communicated.  Here's the information for the EMUSIC on WDIY list:
 
Post message: emusic-wdiy@yahoogroups.com=20
Subscribe:  emusic-wdiy-subscri= be@yahoogroups.com=20
Unsubscribe:  emusic-wdiy-unsub= scribe@yahoogroups.com=20
List owner:  emusic-wdiy-owner@yahoo= groups.com=20
All new subscribers will have to be approved by me to gain=20 membership.  This is a precautionary tactic to keep away spammers = and=20 people who really aren't involved in the EMUSIC family.  Once = approved, the=20 list in unmoderated.  However, the topic is anything related to my = radio=20 show that is for public consumption.  Please, let's stay on topic = as much=20 as possible.
 
Artists, record labels, and promoters:  Please remember that = this list=20 is intended as a public forum where my listeners are included.  I'm = sure=20 that there will be plenty of email messages that should still remain = private=20 between us.  Remember, this list is an experiment.  If it = doesn't=20 serve the needs of the combined community of listeners and music=20 creators/distributors, I may consider dividing this list into two = separate=20 communities.  But for now, let's see how things go.
 
Best regards,
 
Bill         billfox@fast.net   &n= bsp;       =20 http://wdiyfm.org/sched= ule/s_emusic.html
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Host=20 of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show.  Thursdays = at
11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in = Easton=20 and
Phillipsburg.  Email me if you wish to submit music for = airplay=20 consideration.
Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org
Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~bi= llfox
------=_NextPart_000_14B5_01C0B4DC.DD6718E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 25 10:56:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19611; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 10:54:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 10:54:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <150901c0b544$0e43c5a0$a0ad5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Cc: "beyond_em Onelist" , "SYNTH-L" , "Analogue Heaven" , "GoldTri" , "Loopers Delight" , "new age radio" , "AIMusic Onelist" , "Space Music List" Subject: Re: [ElectronicMusic] mp3.com Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 10:55:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- MIRAI asked: >> Have I misunderstood something. >> Or has Mp3.com suddenly changed its tactics? >> I.E. you have to pay 20.00 dollars a month >> to be part of their P4P system? >> MIRAI Glenn responded: >You didnt misunderstand. Yes they did change their tactics. Paul Adams responded: >This is partly true. Starting April 1st you will only be able to get P4P with >Premium Service. You may still have your work represented there if you are >not "premiumed". And now I say: That's right, folks. It's now a Pay-to-Play scheme. Of course, if you don't pay $20/month to get the Premium Service, I dare you to try and upload anything and get it installed in a timely manner... Just my not-so-humble opinion, not based in verified fact. But hearsay cited on the Ambient list seems to be pointing in that direction. Here's a list of other sites I saw on the Ambient list. Hey Glenn! Sounds like a REAL NEWS STORY you may wish to consider covering in your e-zine. www.iuma.com www.besonic.com www.audiogalaxy.com www.vitaminic.com www.riffage.com www.somemusic.com www.icast.com music.tucows.com cc: to other lists where musos hang out... Cheers, Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 25 12:16:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22941; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 12:10:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 12:10:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Apparently-From: From: "Mike Feeney" To: "Christian Leduc" , Subject: RE: hello Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 12:09:53 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c0b54e$689bee60$553c1118@muncie1.in.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <001b01c0b3fd$ba1c79a0$1228059a@hal> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi again, I read up on things before sending that last message, but now that I've looked around a bit more, I think I might go with the Boomerang. I read the reviews of it on the website. I found one new at Mars Music for $449. Is that a fair price for it? Does anyone have any criticisms of the 'Rang? Thanks guys. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Christian Leduc [mailto:chleduc@total.net] Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 8:00 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: hello Well, it depends of a couple of things... how much looping times to you want? Well, maybe the Boomerang is for you.. It is not that expansive, offers good looping times (couple of minutes), has a better sound quality (the new upgraded one).. There is also the Line 6 DL-4 which I don't like very much but that's my point on that question... But it is decent and is quite inexpansive for all the things you can do with it.. Look on the web site on "Tools of the trade" and read a lot.. :) You have a bunch of informations there... Best, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Feeney" To: Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 7:29 PM Subject: hello > > Hi there, > > I am new to the list, but I've been wanting to get into looping for quite > some time. I am a solo acoustic guitarist/vocalist, and I really want to > get a looping unit for my performances. I have read over a great deal of > the > info on the website, and of course thinking about the Oberheim EDP makes me > drool, but I think it's out of my price range. Are there looping units out > there that are less expensive but still do a decent job? I'm hoping to be > able to loop at least 2 or 3 guitar patterns on top of each other, hopefully > more. Any recommendations on units that I should look at? What prices? > > Thanks a bunch. > > Mike Feeney > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 25 12:47:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23579; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 12:43:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 12:43:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <2f.12d54780.27ef87bf@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 12:41:19 EST Subject: Re: hello "rang" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_2f.12d54780.27ef87bf_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10520 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_2f.12d54780.27ef87bf_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/25/01 12:10:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, feeneymike@yahoo.com writes: > mike.....make sure its the up-graded rang.....i cant comment on the price, i dont remember what i paid.....its a very easy to use unit, excellent for live work, you will love it.....you arn't from pittsburgh are you?.....michael --part1_2f.12d54780.27ef87bf_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/25/01 12:10:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,
feeneymike@yahoo.com writes:


I think I might go with the Boomerang


mike.....make sure its the up-graded rang.....i cant comment on the price, i
dont remember what i paid.....its a very easy to use unit, excellent for live
work, you will love it.....you arn't from pittsburgh are you?.....michael --part1_2f.12d54780.27ef87bf_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 25 14:11:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27495; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 14:08:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 14:08:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sent: 25 Mar 2001 19:06:21 GMT Reply-To: From: "Paul A. Baugher" To: Subject: RE: [ElectronicMusic] mp3.com Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 14:10:22 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <150901c0b544$0e43c5a0$a0ad5cd1@-> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal Disposition-Notification-To: "Paul A. Baugher" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow... this addresses a problem I've been having with them as well... they have absolutely no support. If you try to get support, you will get spammed by their autoresponse system. I had an account from about a year ago, and even though my page is still up, When I login, I can't access my song library...I'd assume if you'd actually pay them $20/mo, they might actually answer your emails, but who would take that chance... nothing that they offer is even worth $20/mo. I could see maybe $5, but $20 is ridiculous ($240/yr!). Web hosting might cost as much if your using a lot of server space, but they provide that part of the service for free. Thanks for the links! I can't believe they are pulling this crap when they have some many free competitors. -pb :) -----Original Message----- :) From: Bill Fox [mailto:billfox@fast.net] :) Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 10:56 AM :) To: ElectronicMusic@yahoogroups.com :) Cc: beyond_em Onelist; SYNTH-L; Analogue Heaven; GoldTri; Loopers :) Delight; new age radio; AIMusic Onelist; Space Music List :) Subject: Re: [ElectronicMusic] mp3.com :) :) :) -----Original Message----- :) MIRAI asked: :) >> Have I misunderstood something. :) >> Or has Mp3.com suddenly changed its tactics? :) >> I.E. you have to pay 20.00 dollars a month :) >> to be part of their P4P system? :) >> MIRAI :) :) :) Glenn responded: :) >You didnt misunderstand. Yes they did change their tactics. :) :) Paul Adams responded: :) >This is partly true. Starting April 1st you will only be able :) to get P4P with :) >Premium Service. You may still have your work represented there :) if you are :) >not "premiumed". :) :) And now I say: :) That's right, folks. It's now a Pay-to-Play scheme. Of course, :) if you don't :) pay $20/month to get the Premium Service, I dare you to try and :) upload anything :) and get it installed in a timely manner... Just my :) not-so-humble opinion, not :) based in verified fact. But hearsay cited on the Ambient list :) seems to be :) pointing in that direction. Here's a list of other sites I saw :) on the Ambient :) list. Hey Glenn! Sounds like a REAL NEWS STORY you may wish to consider :) covering in your e-zine. :) :) www.iuma.com :) www.besonic.com :) www.audiogalaxy.com :) www.vitaminic.com :) www.riffage.com :) www.somemusic.com :) www.icast.com :) music.tucows.com :) :) cc: to other lists where musos hang out... :) :) Cheers, :) :) Bill billfox@fast.net :) http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html :) ================================================================= :) =========== :) Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. :) Thursdays at :) 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and :) Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay :) consideration. :) Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org :) Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox :) :) :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 25 14:32:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28258; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 14:28:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 14:28:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [ElectronicMusic] mp3.com Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 11:25:52 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Mar 2001 19:25:52.0741 (UTC) FILETIME=[67FC3150:01C0B561] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At first I didn't mind the change. I didn't think enough artists would be convinced in paying $20 per month. That's enough money to have your own webspace hosted somewhere, and to build a completely custom site with all the mp3's you want. It simply wasn't a good deal for artists. Now they're requiring that you pay them $20 monthly if you want to get the money that your music earns on mp3.com. It's almost a form of blackmail, really. It would be similar to our employers saying we have to give them $20 a month if we want to receive our paychecks. Since a lot of artists on mp3.com (especially techno artists) make a couple hundred dollars a month through the Payback 4 Playback system, they're all going to sign up. And if they don't sign up? No prob! Mp3.com gets to keep all their earnings. This is really going to prevent mp3.com from getting new artists in the long run. I have songs that have been waiting a week to be posted, and they very well could be waiting for a lot longer. If non-paying artists (including new artists) are finding that they simply can't get their tracks posted on mp3.com with out paying, they're going to go through another site. If mp3.com keeps it up, they will cease to be a place to hear new music. It's too bad, really. I was never a fan of their business practices, but Mp3.com really did have the best interface of all the mp3 sites that I've been to. It was the easiest to load songs into (up until they required that you fill out a 2 page survey about each song), the easiest to find music you like. And it has those user-created streaming radio stations that I like so much. They probably wouldn't even have to resort to this if they didn't start that stupid "My mp3.com" service a couple of years ago, which got them sued by most major record labels. I'll certainly be checking out some of these other sites, but I think Riffage.com is now out of business. Matt >From: "Bill Fox" >-----Original Message----- >MIRAI asked: > >> Have I misunderstood something. > >> Or has Mp3.com suddenly changed its tactics? > >> I.E. you have to pay 20.00 dollars a month > >> to be part of their P4P system? > >> MIRAI > > >Glenn responded: > >You didnt misunderstand. Yes they did change their tactics. > >Paul Adams responded: > >This is partly true. Starting April 1st you will only be able to get P4P >with > >Premium Service. You may still have your work represented there if you >are > >not "premiumed". > >And now I say: >That's right, folks. It's now a Pay-to-Play scheme. Of course, if you >don't >pay $20/month to get the Premium Service, I dare you to try and upload >anything >and get it installed in a timely manner... Just my not-so-humble opinion, >not >based in verified fact. But hearsay cited on the Ambient list seems to be >pointing in that direction. Here's a list of other sites I saw on the >Ambient >list. Hey Glenn! Sounds like a REAL NEWS STORY you may wish to consider >covering in your e-zine. > >www.iuma.com >www.besonic.com >www.audiogalaxy.com >www.vitaminic.com >www.riffage.com >www.somemusic.com >www.icast.com >music.tucows.com > >cc: to other lists where musos hang out... > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 25 15:27:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30773; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 15:23:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 15:23:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010325202200.894.qmail@web3505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 12:22:00 -0800 (PST) From: robert deveaux Subject: RE: hello To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000501c0b54e$689bee60$553c1118@muncie1.in.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here is the best price that I have seen: $450 & INCLUDES the gig bag Go to: http://www.affordableaudio.com/ Tell Cy that Robert in SC sent ya. --- Mike Feeney wrote: > > > Hi again, > > I read up on things before sending that last > message, but now that I've > looked around a bit more, I think I might go with > the Boomerang. I read the > reviews of it on the website. I found one new at > Mars Music for $449. Is > that a fair price for it? Does anyone have any > criticisms of the 'Rang? > Thanks guys. > > Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Christian Leduc [mailto:chleduc@total.net] > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 8:00 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: hello > > > Well, it depends of a couple of things... how much > looping times to you > want? > > Well, maybe the Boomerang is for you.. It is not > that expansive, offers good > looping times (couple of minutes), has a better > sound quality (the new > upgraded one).. > > There is also the Line 6 DL-4 which I don't like > very much but that's my > point on that question... But it is decent and is > quite inexpansive for all > the things you can do with it.. > > Look on the web site on "Tools of the trade" and > read a lot.. :) You have a > bunch of informations there... > > Best, > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Feeney" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 7:29 PM > Subject: hello > > > > > > Hi there, > > > > I am new to the list, but I've been wanting to > get into looping for > quite > > some time. I am a solo acoustic > guitarist/vocalist, and I really want to > > get a looping unit for my performances. I have > read over a great deal of > > the > > info on the website, and of course thinking about > the Oberheim EDP makes > me > > drool, but I think it's out of my price range. > Are there looping units > out > > there that are less expensive but still do a > decent job? I'm hoping to be > > able to loop at least 2 or 3 guitar patterns on > top of each other, > hopefully > > more. Any recommendations on units that I should > look at? What prices? > > > > Thanks a bunch. > > > > Mike Feeney > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 25 17:23:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02366; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 17:20:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 17:20:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 22:20:55 +0100 Subject: Re: hello From: roberto To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000501c0b54e$689bee60$553c1118@muncie1.in.home.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hi again, > > I read up on things before sending that last message, but now that I've > looked around a bit more, I think I might go with the Boomerang. I read the > reviews of it on the website. I found one new at Mars Music for $449. Is > that a fair price for it? Does anyone have any criticisms of the 'Rang? > Thanks guys. > > Mike > The Boomerang looks interesting but the Boss RC-20 loop station looks even better at a fraction of the price. However, I haven't tried one yet nor know of anyone who has - it's not available yet in the UK. Anyone knows more? Roberto ______________________________________________ Roberto Battista http://www.robat.scl.net http://www.robat.scl.net/lectures/index.shtm Tel. 0044 020 8449 1995 Mobile 0775 960 4344 ______________________________________________ http://www.rustyrobot.com independent on-line music distribution, the music you can't find elsewhere, contemporary classical, eclectic, world... ______________________________________________ http://www.robat.scl.net/html/tibet/tibet.shtm an exciting project on technology applied to mobile education for developing countries and remote locations... ______________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 25 18:25:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05021; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 18:24:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 18:24:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c0b582$89f53ba0$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: [ElectronicMusic] mp3.com Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 00:22:44 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <-f46eB.A.pNB.Y3nv6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll weigh in on this one too. I'm not sure whether to just yank all my stuff off of there - IUMA's going to live again, thanks to being purchased by vitaminic.com - and there are loads of places now to post one's MP3 files without having to put up with this Old Record Biz crap. ArtistLaunch.com is another one. I think an even better site for visibility aspects might be live365.com - which lets you run a radio 'station' of sorts. What would someone go through to put up a Loopers Delight radio station on live365.com then? I'm sure it would generate interest at least. But my query has more to do with, Do we all yank our material off and tell them why? Why not? A great (and uncommonly existent) interview with Ray Davies in last week's London Times' "Culture" magazine, where he says that "It's still just a spiv business," and I have to admit, after studying the "Enable Your Music" scam that mp3.com's running, he's more than right, alas. I've been told several times that its nickname's becoming "DISable Your Music," given the usury-level percentages they want if they get placement for your music on TV or film/video. I came across a similar scam for software/hardware test this week - from a bunch that advertised on a jobs board. One went through a series of questions about what one would be willing to do as a tester, like receive product instead of pay on occasion (the most dubious, frankly, up to this point it seemed legit). Then the next page pops up in the "test", and asks if you'd be willing to PAY $9.95 for the privilege of being able to do this EACH time! Yumpin' Yesus, what some scum will do to people looking for work. So do we yank our material and tell mp3.com to screw off? (notice the lack of an mp3.com url in my sig) Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 25 19:00:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05896; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 18:58:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 18:58:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 18:55:28 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: [ElectronicMusic] mp3.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Now they're requiring that you pay them $20 monthly if you want to >get the money that your music earns on mp3.com. It's almost a form >of blackmail, really. [and various others] This and all these other objections are a bit harsh. mp3.com has NEVER made money as far as I know, and has given out quite a lot of royalties to musicians, admittedly mostly in dribs and drabs to a lot of titles, but still... I imagine that they are still not making money at $20 a month per paying musical group. This is merely a way to stem the bleeding while trying to come up with some sort of way to actually make money. $20 a month is enough that anyone could afford it. The "services" of a real label are going to cost you an awful lot more than that, in real tersm... Or, if I could pay a measly $20 a month and have people actually exposed to my music with even the possibility of royalties then I'd do it. (I haven't done it yet though... still debating what to put and etc...) Summary: since they have put a lot of money into independent artists' pockets and taken a loss on it, you can hardly accuse them of ripping us off. /t ...electronic a cappella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 25 19:11:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07600; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 19:10:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 19:10:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Apparently-From: From: "Mike Feeney" To: Subject: RE: hello Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 19:09:32 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c0b589$08b99160$553c1118@muncie1.in.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I looked up the Boss RC-20 looping pedal on the Roland site and here is the official page: http://209.144.99.11/PRODUCTS/MI/mi_namm_w01/rc20_b.htm It does look interesting, but for live performances, I think maybe the Boomerang would be easier to use (more access through the pedals). Anyone have any experience with the Boss pedal? -Mike > Hi again, > > I read up on things before sending that last message, but now that I've > looked around a bit more, I think I might go with the Boomerang. I read the > reviews of it on the website. I found one new at Mars Music for $449. Is > that a fair price for it? Does anyone have any criticisms of the 'Rang? > Thanks guys. > > Mike > The Boomerang looks interesting but the Boss RC-20 loop station looks even better at a fraction of the price. However, I haven't tried one yet nor know of anyone who has - it's not available yet in the UK. Anyone knows more? Roberto ______________________________________________ Roberto Battista http://www.robat.scl.net http://www.robat.scl.net/lectures/index.shtm Tel. 0044 020 8449 1995 Mobile 0775 960 4344 ______________________________________________ http://www.rustyrobot.com independent on-line music distribution, the music you can't find elsewhere, contemporary classical, eclectic, world... ______________________________________________ http://www.robat.scl.net/html/tibet/tibet.shtm an exciting project on technology applied to mobile education for developing countries and remote locations... ______________________________________________ _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 25 19:24:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08201; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 19:21:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 19:21:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200103260021.QAA17755@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 16:22:53 -0700 Subject: Re: hello To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1sJkK.A.J-B.1tov6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com it aint out yet-please check archives... ---------- >From: "Mike Feeney" >To: >Subject: RE: hello >Date: Sun, Mar 25, 2001, 5:09 PM > > > > I looked up the Boss RC-20 looping pedal on the Roland site and here is >the official page: > >http://209.144.99.11/PRODUCTS/MI/mi_namm_w01/rc20_b.htm > > It does look interesting, but for live performances, I think maybe the >Boomerang would be easier to use (more access through the pedals). Anyone >have any experience with the Boss pedal? > > -Mike > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 25 19:32:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08607; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 19:30:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 19:30:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 16:27:05 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: [ElectronicMusic] mp3.com In-reply-to: <001a01c0b582$89f53ba0$0201a8c0@stephen> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: "Stephen P. Goodman" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: <001a01c0b582$89f53ba0$0201a8c0@stephen> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:22 AM +0100 3/26/01, Stephen P. Goodman wrote: >I think an even better site for visibility aspects might be >live365.com - which lets you run a radio 'station' of sorts. What >would someone go through to put up a Loopers Delight radio station >on live365.com then? I'm sure it would generate interest at least. I have a station on Live365, and the American Composers Forum has several. It's easy, and its free as long as you keep it low bandwidth and within the 365MB storage allotment. You sign up for the service, pick a broadcaster name and password, and then you upload mp3 files and create one or more playlists. There's a Windows application for batch uploads, or you can ftp if you're on a different platform. There's a minimum playlist length of 3 hours before broadcasting is enabled, and there are rules concerning frequency of play of recordings by a particular artist or from a particular CD. That is, you're not allowed to use the service as a promotional vehicle for a particular artist or CD. You have to "mix it up" with material from a variety of artists. I think it's a good idea to have a Loopers Delight station of Live365. I'd even put some effort into it myself, but I wouldn't want to be the only person doing the uploading and programming. Probably few of us would want to shoulder that responsibility, but I think we might do it as a group. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 25 22:18:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14420; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 22:11:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 22:11:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "WIll" To: Subject: Re: [ElectronicMusic] mp3.com Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 19:03:05 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010326030919.EFGD9562.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@12345> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the postings.... I thought it was just me having a problem getting new material onto my page at MP3.com. I've had a song in limbo for about 4 weeks now and, as usual, no response from them. A friend of mine was experiencing a similar situation until he signed up for the plan and suddenly his songs were posted. I've been with MP3.com for several years and during that time watched as they tried scheme after scheme, starting with the "My MP3" and ,IMHO, moving away from the basic strength of the site: Providing an uncensored space where musicians of all genre could get there work out to other musicians and music fans. Maybe not a great money maker, although I probably bought more DAM cd from them than I did "commerical" cds this year. For now I'll probably leave my stuff there as I'm just beginning to get some notice, but I'll be looking into the other sites. Since the new "Pay to get paid" is month by month, I suppose you could write for several months, sign up for one month and do a hell of a lot of posting. ( Their DAM cd program is still a great deal.I was just getting ready to post another when all of this happened. ) Anyway that just my take on it.... Will Green From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 25 22:50:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15022; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 22:48:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 22:48:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Apparently-From: From: "Mike Feeney" To: Subject: RE: hello "rang" Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 22:47:59 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c0b5a7$8d28c880$553c1118@muncie1.in.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <2f.12d54780.27ef87bf@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeah, the one i'm looking at loops 2 or 4 minutes. is that the upgraded one? =) i'm thinking it looks like the one I want. nope, i am not from pittsburgh, i'm from Indiana. =) -Mike "People are just about as happy as they make up their minds to be." -Abraham Lincoln- -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 12:41 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: hello "rang" In a message dated 3/25/01 12:10:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, feeneymike@yahoo.com writes: I think I might go with the Boomerang mike.....make sure its the up-graded rang.....i cant comment on the price, i dont remember what i paid.....its a very easy to use unit, excellent for live work, you will love it.....you arn't from pittsburgh are you?.....michael _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 25 23:36:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA16934; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 23:34:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 23:34:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007b01c0b5ac$c31c7b80$7de28cd1@alanis> From: "Paul Buelow" To: References: <20010326030919.EFGD9562.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@12345> Subject: Re: [ElectronicMusic] radio Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 20:25:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I found this posting very interesting. I like radio and experimental music. I checked each link to music sites and explored how they organize content. It seems there are two distinct type of music hosts; those that have playlists and those that offer links to radio stations and hybrids. The later sort offers the opportunity to be surprised by radio and therefore seems like an appropriate medium for, well, loopers-delight type of stuff which is very different. I listen to internet radio through http://www.imradio.com it's technology that allows software or internet ready stereo devices like the Philips FW-i1000 http://www.internet-audio.philips.com/main/product.html to tune in internet radio streams with a simple dial. BTW one station I really like that inspires me to push harder is offered through a variety of sources including iM Radio. It's KFJC 89.7 Los Altos Ca. They have streams http://www.kfjc.org/netcast.html, a site http://www.kfjc.org and database of obscure music - http://www.spies.com/misc/kfjc/md/db/ I find this all very exciting and am looking forward to the loopers-delight radio show. -pb ----- Original Message ----- From: WIll To: Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [ElectronicMusic] mp3.com > > Thanks for the postings.... I thought it was just me having a problem > getting new material onto my page at MP3.com. I've had a song in limbo for > about 4 weeks now and, as usual, no response from them. > > A friend of mine was experiencing a similar situation until he signed up > for the plan and suddenly his songs were posted. > > I've been with MP3.com for several years and during that time watched as > they tried scheme after scheme, starting with the "My MP3" and ,IMHO, > moving away from the basic strength of the site: Providing an uncensored > space where musicians of all genre could get there work out to other > musicians and music fans. Maybe not a great money maker, although I > probably bought more DAM cd from them than I did > "commerical" cds this year. > > For now I'll probably leave my stuff there as I'm just beginning to get > some notice, but I'll be looking into the other sites. > > Since the new "Pay to get paid" is month by month, I suppose you could > write for several months, sign up for one month and do a hell of a lot of > posting. ( Their DAM cd program is still a great deal.I was just getting > ready to post another when all of this happened. ) > > Anyway that just my take on it.... > > > Will Green > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 01:18:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA20537; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 01:15:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 01:15:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <3d.95182e6.27f037c4@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 01:12:20 EST Subject: Re: hello To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would think so. Especially if it's got the upgrade. Best, James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 02:36:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA22452; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 02:34:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 02:34:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004c01c0b5c6$dca31040$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: [ElectronicMusic] mp3.com Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 08:32:01 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Now they're requiring that you pay them $20 monthly if you want to > >get the money that your music earns on mp3.com. It's almost a form > >of blackmail, really. > > [and various others] > > This and all these other objections are a bit harsh. I don't think so. Noone else charges you to post - then puts you the artist in a situation where, in order to maintain visibility on a level with "premium" customers, you have to pay them even more for so-called "auctions" of promotion, which usually are nothing more than a free use copy of their mailing list. Which, by the way, includes YOU. So mp3.com's a pay-for-spam list also. I don't count this as acceptable in the least. > mp3.com has NEVER made money as far as I know, and has given out > quite a lot of royalties to musicians, admittedly mostly in > dribs and drabs to a lot of titles, but still... The key phrase is "as far as I know." If they weren't making money, they'd have not been doing it. mp3.com did NOT start up to serve the artist in the ways most of us would like, let's face it. It's not like they just came up with this "premium artist" stuff recently as a way to make a profit for the first time. To think anything else would be naive. > I imagine that they are still not making money at $20 a month > per paying musical group. This is merely a way to stem the > bleeding while trying to come up with some sort of way to actually > make money. If you think about the number of members at mp3.com and multiply it by $10 a month even, they're making money. Bleeding? Puleeze. > $20 a month is enough that anyone could afford it. > The "services" of a real label are going to cost > you an awful lot more than that, in real tersm... The "services" of a REAL label are a lot more than just giving you some specious "placement" in some promotion process that cannot be quantified as yet. I don't see anything about mp3.com putting material in stores. I also don't see any REAL promotion agent taking 85% of the take for getting your work on TV. > Or, if I could pay a measly $20 a month and have > people actually exposed to my music with even the > possibility of royalties then I'd do it. All they are is a posting service, with an established visibility, a name, and a slightly-better-than-normal interface that ANYONE could write up given the time. > (I haven't done it yet though... still debating > what to put and etc...) I'd recommend putting your material on other sites instead. Many industry execs still don't know and don't care who or what mp3.com (or for that matter the so-called "Ultimate Band List", another scam) is - they've only heard of Napster in most cases. > Summary: since they have put a lot of money into > independent artists' pockets and taken a loss on it, > you can hardly accuse them of ripping us off. The only money that's been made by artists on mp3.com has been after they've paid for use of the mailing list, and done a lot of footwork and promotion themselves. This renders mp3.com to being just another file system, with mailing list services. They've not taken any kind of loss, nor declared so. Don't give snakes crocodile tears. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 07:03:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA31243; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 07:00:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 07:00:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3ABF2F2C.DA887057@altruistmusic.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 03:59:40 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: mp3.com, freebies, etc... another point of view References: <004c01c0b5c6$dca31040$0201a8c0@stephen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com O Loopers and Loopettes, It's tempting, on first glance, to write off mp3.com as money-grubbing corporate extortionists. But it's a bit more complex then that. Back in 1995-96, IUMA charged artists $200 to sign up for their system. The idea of a website dedicated strictly to music, that would offer you unlimited file storage space, and would take a file you uploaded and convert it into different kbps formates for you, all for FREE... was science fiction at the time. But that's what mp3.com has been doing for the last few years. One could easily suggest that IUMA switched to a free service due to competition from mp3.com. This removal of a principal source of income might help explain their being bought out by eMusic... who ditched them a couple of months back. IUMA has an historical precedent for charging artists for its service, and with mp3.com going that route, it's not unrealistic to think that IUMA might do the same. Being bought out by Vitaminic will no doubt help in the short term... but it was their being bought out by eMusic that originally put them in such a precarious spot in the first place. If every single one of the 120,000 + artists on mp3.com was paying $10 a month (as Stephen hypothetically proposed), they'd be making about $1,200,000/month in subscriber fees. Now, when you subtract the $1,000,000 that THEY have been paying out to artists every month since payback for playback started, that would leave them with only $200,000 - about $1.67 per artist - of income. When you consider that the site recently had to pay out several HUNDRED million dollars in legal fees to the major labels, their situation looks even less rosy. Consider too that only a percentage of those 120,000 + artists are going to be paying the monthly service. And consider that the web storage space and traffic for EVERY artist, REGARDLESS of whether or not they opt to pay in, still has to be paid for. And also remember that you don't NEED to pay the monthly fee to stay on the website. Yes, you'll be moved to the back of the line in terms of service, but if someone's running a business (which is what mp3.com is, first and foremost), then OF COURSE they'll appease their paying customers before their hand-outs. The payback-for-playback thing was interesting, and it let a few artists make some cash. It also turned mp3.com into the indie music equivalent of Amway. And it's never been a guaranteed system, in terms of consistency, longevity, or method of calculation. mp3.com has chosen a particular business path, which includes being a publicly-traded corporation that's weathered multi-million dollar lawsuits from every one of the major (and several independent) record labels. I'm not a huge fan of the site, and I've never taken it very seriously as anything other than free FTP storage space, but to slam them because they're a corporation that wants to increase its market value and pull in some money sort of misses the point. The whole dot-com gold rush of free services over the last few years was fun while it lasted, but it's not realistic to think that it could go on forever. Anyway, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 09:07:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA02598; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:06:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:06:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e501c0b5fc$6b964490$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <000401c0b5a7$8d28c880$553c1118@muncie1.in.home.com> Subject: Re: hello "rang" Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 08:55:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > nope, i am not from pittsburgh, i'm from Indiana. =) Where 'bouts? I'm in Lafayette. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 11:02:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06835; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:00:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:00:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <44.c6bf44e.27f0c128@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:58:32 EST Subject: Re: hello "rang" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_44.c6bf44e.27f0c128_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10520 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_44.c6bf44e.27f0c128_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/25/01 10:48:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, feeneymike@yahoo.com writes: > yeah, the one i'm looking at loops 2 or 4 minutes. is that the upgraded > mike .....the upgraded rang also does this, ask the salesperson if its the up-grade.....more options, better sound.....michael --part1_44.c6bf44e.27f0c128_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/25/01 10:48:35 PM Eastern Standard Time,
feeneymike@yahoo.com writes:


yeah, the one i'm looking at loops 2 or 4 minutes.  is that the upgraded
one?


mike .....the upgraded rang also does this, ask the salesperson if its the
up-grade.....more options, better sound.....michael --part1_44.c6bf44e.27f0c128_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 11:37:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07765; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:35:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:35:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Apparently-From: From: "Mike Feeney" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Boomerang Plus Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:34:45 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c0b612$aa80acc0$553c1118@muncie1.in.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry for all the questions, but I am soon to wrap up my decision on the matter. I have been reading up on the list archives, and I have one remaining concern about buying a Boomerang Plus... Is the 24khz sample rate a big improvement over the 16khz in the old Boomerang models? Or is the sound quality still not so great? I would hope to use it in both recording and live settings, so the sound quality is a concern to me. Compared to the Boss RC-20, how is the sound quality? If someone has used the Boss pedal, let me know what you think of it, especially compared to the Boomerang. Thanks again, -Mike "People are just about as happy as they make up their minds to be." -Abraham Lincoln- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 12:30:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10821; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:24:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:24:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010326172241.7633.qmail@web5104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:22:41 -0800 (PST) From: Alx Subject: Re: [ElectronicMusic] mp3.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Tom Ritchford wrote: > >Now they're requiring that you pay them $20 monthly > if you want to > >get the money that your music earns on mp3.com. > It's almost a form > >of blackmail, really. Is there another web site that pays royalties like MP3.com used to do before this new schem? Alx. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 12:38:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11211; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:37:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:37:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000001c0b612$aa80acc0$553c1118@muncie1.in.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:34:55 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Boomerang Plus Resent-Message-ID: <900GAC.A.3uC.N43v6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:34 AM -0800 3/26/01, Mike Feeney wrote: > Compared to the Boss RC-20, how is the sound quality? If someone has used >the Boss pedal, let me know what you think of it, especially compared to the >Boomerang. > nobody is using the boss pedal, because it is not shipping yet. a few people saw demos at the NAMM show but didn't give it very positive reviews based on the demo. check the archives, there is plenty of discussion there from jan/feb. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 12:53:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11558; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:51:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:51:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [152.163.166.22] From: "Jonathan Price" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boomerang Plus Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 17:49:26 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Mar 2001 17:49:27.0230 (UTC) FILETIME=[19F705E0:01C0B61D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How much does the '4-minute sample time' boomerang cost? WHat's the cheapest way to get it on the market-- and if anyone has it used do they wanna sell it? Is there a higher quality version (upgrade....?) that's worth the bucks? thanks JP >From: Kim Flint >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Boomerang Plus >Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:34:55 -0800 > >At 8:34 AM -0800 3/26/01, Mike Feeney wrote: > > Compared to the Boss RC-20, how is the sound quality? If someone has >used > >the Boss pedal, let me know what you think of it, especially compared to >the > >Boomerang. > > > >nobody is using the boss pedal, because it is not shipping yet. a few >people saw demos at the NAMM show but didn't give it very positive reviews >based on the demo. check the archives, there is plenty of discussion there >from jan/feb. > >kim > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 12:53:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11531; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:50:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:50:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <000501c0b54e$689bee60$553c1118@muncie1.in.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:47:34 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: hello Resent-Message-ID: <7Sw_mD.A.WzC.EE4v6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:20 PM -0800 3/25/01, roberto wrote: > >> Hi again, >> >> I read up on things before sending that last message, but now that I've >> looked around a bit more, I think I might go with the Boomerang. I read the >> reviews of it on the website. I found one new at Mars Music for $449. Is >> that a fair price for it? Does anyone have any criticisms of the 'Rang? >> Thanks guys. >> >> Mike >> >The Boomerang looks interesting but the Boss RC-20 loop station looks even >better at a fraction of the price. However, I haven't tried one yet nor know >of anyone who has - it's not available yet in the UK. Anyone knows more? > the boss lists for $400, so it is not a very small fraction of the price. Certainly it costs a lot more than a dl-4. I'm curious, what functionality of the rc-20 makes you think it is better than the boomerang? (aside from the fact that it is not shipping and therefore must be perfect. :-) From the demo I saw at NAMM, I had a tough time understanding why anybody would choose the boss over the boomerang or the dl-4. what do you see about it that you like? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 13:11:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13343; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 13:10:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 13:10:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004d01c0b620$32d1e8c0$0300a8c0@foothilltransit.org> From: "phalen orion" To: References: <20010326172241.7633.qmail@web5104.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [ElectronicMusic] mp3.com Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:11:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mp3.com premium artist services is a scheme by which the money that mp3.com pays out to those who get lots of plays/downloads comes from the pockets of those who DON'T get lots of plays. Those who don't want to participate will get slower (or nonexistent) service and have to suffer with ads placed on their artist pages without any compensation. Sure this is good for mp3.com, but is it really good for the artists? I don't think so. IUMA pays/paid royalties, at least before their brief scaleback of services. To tell you the truth, I don't care about the royalties, though. I just care about the idea behind the service, and the ideological integrity of these sorts of services. As a result of this change in mp3.com's policies, I decided to remove my material from all of these services which did not place the control over advertising content in my hands. They had just gone too far by making a broad change in their model without very much warning. I decided that it was time to ignore the possibility for promotion that these services gave me and knuckle down and only count on my own (self-paid-for) web services. The key thing for me is to not support an advertising-based model anymore... and if mp3.com is basically going to be artist-supported and advertising-free (by making the "premium" services the de facto standard), that's fine... but I for one don't want to give them my money. I've already created an artist-supported and advertising free place for my music to be downloaded... one that is under my control and where I can choose how and when my songs are displayed and offered to the public, with no censorship or vague categorization... no competition and thus no chance to "cheat". $20 a month can buy me way more webspace and bandwidth than I would use at mp3.com, and thus it's a waste of my money. What service is mp3.com really offering? Pay $20 and try to cheat the system enough to get most of that back, or don't and suffer poor service and advertisement-filled pages? That's not much of a choice, is it? Jonathan aka phalen180 www.infin8ty.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 13:16:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13591; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 13:15:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 13:15:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001c01c0b620$72a81280$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <004c01c0b5c6$dca31040$0201a8c0@stephen> <3ABF2F2C.DA887057@altruistmusic.com> Subject: Re: mp3.com, freebies, etc... another point of view Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:12:10 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre LaFosse put forth: > Back in 1995-96, IUMA charged artists $200 to sign up for their system. > The idea of a website dedicated strictly to music, that would offer you > unlimited file storage space, and would take a file you uploaded and > convert it into different kbps formates for you, all for FREE... was > science fiction at the time. But that's what mp3.com has been doing for > the last few years. I started with them in 1996, and they provided a link to my Studios page for free. I've been posting MP3s there for free for about two years. They did, prior to their purchase by vitaminic, have a limit of # of files you could post, but they were the only folks who consistently paid checks - no matter how small - to me every quarter. MP3.com had rules about when you would or wouldn't get paid for a music download/play that confused many, and weren't clearly posted, frankly. > Now, when you subtract the $1,000,000 that THEY have been paying out to > artists every month since payback for playback started, that would leave > them with only $200,000 - about $1.67 per artist - of income. This of course doesn't take into account the money they make from advertising and merchandising, whether you're paid as an artist or not. > When you consider that the site recently had to pay out several HUNDRED > million dollars in legal fees to the major labels, their situation looks > even less rosy. Well, they paid their lawyers for sure; they made distribution deals with the folks who sued them that we still don't know about completely. > I'm not a huge fan of the site, and I've never taken it very seriously > as anything other than free FTP storage space, but to slam them because > they're a corporation that wants to increase its market value and pull > in some money sort of misses the point. I didn't slam them because of any of the above. I criticized them because of their deceptive arrangements regarding promotion of music for a price - 85% for film/video placement? Even not wanting to promote your stuff shouldn't cost that much! - and their bait-and-switch tactic regarding their "premium artist" service. And I asked the question amongst us all regarding all our placements on their system - and what you all thought of the idea of moving. We have started talking about live365 and the "radio station" concept for our creations - and I think that gets our material out to more people anyway. This wasn't just a call to "fight or switch" (to coin an old cigarette advert). Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 13:33:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14169; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 13:31:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 13:31:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sent: 26 Mar 2001 18:29:17 GMT Reply-To: From: "Paul A. Baugher" To: Subject: RE: [ElectronicMusic] mp3.com Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 13:33:26 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal Disposition-Notification-To: "Paul A. Baugher" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com They also make %50 of any sales of your albums... :) -----Original Message----- :) From: Tom Ritchford [mailto:tom@swirly.com] :) Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 6:55 PM :) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com :) Subject: Re: [ElectronicMusic] mp3.com :) :) :) >Now they're requiring that you pay them $20 monthly if you want to :) >get the money that your music earns on mp3.com. It's almost a form :) >of blackmail, really. :) :) [and various others] :) :) This and all these other objections are a bit harsh. :) :) mp3.com has NEVER made money as far as I know, and has given out :) quite a lot of royalties to musicians, admittedly mostly in :) dribs and drabs to a lot of titles, but still... :) :) I imagine that they are still not making money at $20 a month :) per paying musical group. This is merely a way to stem the :) bleeding while trying to come up with some sort of way to actually :) make money. :) :) $20 a month is enough that anyone could afford it. :) The "services" of a real label are going to cost :) you an awful lot more than that, in real tersm... :) :) Or, if I could pay a measly $20 a month and have :) people actually exposed to my music with even the :) possibility of royalties then I'd do it. :) :) (I haven't done it yet though... still debating :) what to put and etc...) :) :) :) Summary: since they have put a lot of money into :) independent artists' pockets and taken a loss on it, :) you can hardly accuse them of ripping us off. :) :) /t :) :) :) ...electronic a cappella madness ......... :) ...extreme internet radio ... :) :) :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 14:26:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16773; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:24:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:24:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:36:47 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: mp3.com, freebies, etc... another point of view In-reply-to: <001c01c0b620$72a81280$0201a8c0@stephen> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: "Stephen P. Goodman" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: <004c01c0b5c6$dca31040$0201a8c0@stephen> <3ABF2F2C.DA887057@altruistmusic.com> <001c01c0b620$72a81280$0201a8c0@stephen> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:12 PM +0100 3/26/01, Stephen P. Goodman wrote: >We have started talking about live365 and the "radio station" >concept for our creations - and I think that gets our material out >to more people anyway. The Loopers Delight station on Live365 is ready for submissions. How would you all like to manage it? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 14:45:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17164; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:43:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:43:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.253.195.194] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [ElectronicMusic] mp3.com Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:38:19 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Mar 2001 19:38:19.0144 (UTC) FILETIME=[4F4A0080:01C0B62C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, to be honest, nothing comes from the pockets of artists who don't get lots of plays. Not our pockets, just the ability to use their site. If you do get lots of plays, say $20 per month or more, then it's definitely worth your while to subscribe to this service. You'll get your space AND money back on your investment. You do bring up an intersting point though. If somebody pays the $20 per month, they get a share of the advertising revenue that their page brings in. At the same time, though, the ads are removed from their page. Does this mean that they stop getting paid? Probably not, but it's a good sign that mp3.com didn't really think this thing through before starting it. >From: "phalen orion" > >mp3.com premium artist services is a scheme by which the money that mp3.com >pays out to those who get lots of plays/downloads comes from the pockets of >those who DON'T get lots of plays. Those who don't want to participate >will >get slower (or nonexistent) service and have to suffer with ads placed on >their artist pages without any compensation. Sure this is good for >mp3.com, >but is it really good for the artists? I don't think so. >and if mp3.com is basically going to be artist-supported and >advertising-free (by making the "premium" services the de facto standard), >that's fine... but I for one don't want to give them my money. Funny you should put this way. If you asked the artists on mp3.com if they wanted the site to be artist-supported and advertsing free, most would probably say yes. Not when they're doing it this way though. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 15:12:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18884; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 15:09:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 15:09:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01c0b630$df650940$a0b44442@austin.rr.com> From: "Jimmy George" To: References: <000501c0b54e$689bee60$553c1118@muncie1.in.home.com> Subject: boomerang v2 information Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:10:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com boomerang rules. hands down. plus they are bullet proof. i have literally had mine thrown hard against the wall a few years ago and nothing. the v2 has cured allot of what was questionable before. i know much about this pedals and its applications. e me directly with any of your curiosities. best wishes jimmy george http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Kim Flint To: Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 11:47 AM Subject: Re: hello > At 1:20 PM -0800 3/25/01, roberto wrote: > > > >> Hi again, > >> > >> I read up on things before sending that last message, but now that I've > >> looked around a bit more, I think I might go with the Boomerang. I read the > >> reviews of it on the website. I found one new at Mars Music for $449. Is > >> that a fair price for it? Does anyone have any criticisms of the 'Rang? > >> Thanks guys. > >> > >> Mike > >> > >The Boomerang looks interesting but the Boss RC-20 loop station looks even > >better at a fraction of the price. However, I haven't tried one yet nor know > >of anyone who has - it's not available yet in the UK. Anyone knows more? > > > > the boss lists for $400, so it is not a very small fraction of the price. > Certainly it costs a lot more than a dl-4. > > I'm curious, what functionality of the rc-20 makes you think it is better > than the boomerang? (aside from the fact that it is not shipping and > therefore must be perfect. :-) From the demo I saw at NAMM, I had a > tough time understanding why anybody would choose the boss over the > boomerang or the dl-4. what do you see about it that you like? > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 15:19:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19313; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 15:17:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 15:17:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:22:32 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: New CD: Alias Zone "Lucid Dreams" X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Recipient List Suppressed: ; Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The new Alias Zone CD "Lucid Dreams" is featured this week on earBuzz: http://www.earbuzz.com -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 15:26:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19612; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 15:23:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 15:23:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.16.219.10] From: "Pete Mundt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mp3.com, freebies, etc... another point of view Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 15:21:09 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Mar 2001 20:21:09.0656 (UTC) FILETIME=[4B6F0180:01C0B632] Resent-Message-ID: <-z6IvD.A.axE.UT6v6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would be willing to use my cable connection for uploading if needed! Just give me some instruction on what to do! Pete. >From: Richard Zvonar >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: "Stephen P. Goodman" , >Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: mp3.com, freebies, etc... another point of view >Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:36:47 -0800 > >At 7:12 PM +0100 3/26/01, Stephen P. Goodman wrote: > >>We have started talking about live365 and the "radio station" >>concept for our creations - and I think that gets our material out >>to more people anyway. > >The Loopers Delight station on Live365 is ready for submissions. How >would you all like to manage it? >-- > >______________________________________________________________ >Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com >(818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com >(818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com > > http://www.zvonar.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 15:26:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19674; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 15:25:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 15:25:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.16.219.10] From: "Pete Mundt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers Radio Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 15:21:24 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Mar 2001 20:21:24.0602 (UTC) FILETIME=[545795A0:01C0B632] Resent-Message-ID: <7_EDQB.A.9xE.jT6v6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would be willing to use my cable connection for uploading if needed! Just give me some instruction on what to do! Pete. >From: Richard Zvonar >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: "Stephen P. Goodman" , >Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: mp3.com, freebies, etc... another point of view >Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:36:47 -0800 > >At 7:12 PM +0100 3/26/01, Stephen P. Goodman wrote: > >>We have started talking about live365 and the "radio station" >>concept for our creations - and I think that gets our material out >>to more people anyway. > >The Loopers Delight station on Live365 is ready for submissions. How >would you all like to manage it? >-- > >______________________________________________________________ >Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com >(818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com >(818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com > > http://www.zvonar.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 16:35:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22692; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 16:32:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 16:32:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Apparently-From: From: "Mike Feeney" To: Subject: RE: hello "rang" Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 16:29:13 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01c0b63b$cdd6b560$553c1118@muncie1.in.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00e501c0b5fc$6b964490$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lovely, scenic, (ha ha) Muncie, Indiana. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Leas [mailto:dennis@mdbs.com] Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 8:56 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: hello "rang" > nope, i am not from pittsburgh, i'm from Indiana. =) Where 'bouts? I'm in Lafayette. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 17:35:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25474; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 17:31:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 17:31:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002d01c0b642$dc6f91d0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <000e01c0b63b$cdd6b560$553c1118@muncie1.in.home.com> Subject: Indiana loopers Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 17:19:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com We seem to have this college-town thing happening here. Of the three Indiana loopers I know of, we've got: Mike Feeney - Muncie Denis Taafe - Bloomington (You still there, Denis?) Dennis Leas - (West) Lafayette What's it mean? Any other Indiana loopers? Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 18:02:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26387; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 17:55:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 17:55:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <6a.c738159.27f12208@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 17:51:52 EST Subject: Re: Boomerang Plus To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_6a.c738159.27f12208_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10520 Resent-Message-ID: <8KsKCB.A.EZG.2g8v6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_6a.c738159.27f12208_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/26/01 11:35:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, feeneymike@yahoo.com writes: > ... Is the 24khz sample rate a big > improvement over the 16khz in the old Boomerang models? Or is the sound > mike....i have never had a problem with the sound quality of the rang, i always thought of it as a more "analogish" sort of sound.....yes the up-grade sounds better, but you will have a choice of either sample rate with the rang +.....michael --part1_6a.c738159.27f12208_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/26/01 11:35:09 AM Eastern Standard Time,
feeneymike@yahoo.com writes:


...  Is the 24khz sample rate a big
improvement over the 16khz in the old Boomerang models?  Or is the sound
quality still not so great?


mike....i have never had a problem with the sound quality of the rang, i
always thought of it as a more "analogish" sort of sound.....yes the up-grade
sounds better, but you will have a choice of either sample rate with the rang
+.....michael --part1_6a.c738159.27f12208_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 18:21:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28154; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:18:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:18:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3ABFCD70.33895096@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:15:01 -0500 From: steve Reply-To: studio_t@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boomerang Plus References: <6a.c738159.27f12208@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com if you want a rang heres a guy on harmony central needing to sell one quick, not me I have no interest or knowledge of this guy or his gear peace, steve Boomerang Phrase Sampler Asking Price: US$350 Condition: Mint Age: N/A Description: Oh well...this is the last post before I go to ebay. This is a MINT conidition Boomerang 4 Mbyte phrase sampler. It has no cosmetic or working problems. I also have the power supply and manual too. I need to sell this quick, so I am only asking $350obo. shipped priority mail USPS, or UPS...either one doesn't matter to me. Sorry no COD, or Escrow unless you intend to pay extra for the extra charge as well, sorry...Postal money orders only. This is a great deal for a mint rang' so if interested please email me. Thanks, ~Chris~ Seller: Chris Kubrick, 570.662.1064 E-mail: boseman717@hotmail.com (Profile) Location: Mansfield, PA Post Date: 3/26/2001 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 18:30:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28375; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:25:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:25:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Doug Johnston To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Echoplex/Boomerang/Repeater... Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 15:25:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0B64C.085F6294" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0B64C.085F6294 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hey, I'm new to looping and this whole group, but I'm enjoying it so far!! I'm a bass player looking to purchase my first looping tool shortly to use mainly for practice, fun and possibly something more in the future. I was looking mainly at the Echoplex and Boomerang+ until I heard about the Repeater. To me, the Repeater sounds pretty darn good (even if it doesn't TOTALLY live up to the hype) and at a fairly decent price. I'm leaning towards that now just because of the versatility that it seems to offer. They all look like tons of fun, but I don't want to buy something that will seem out of date as soon as I get it out of the box. Quality and usability are more important to me than price. Opinions from experienced loopers or people in the same position??? -Doug -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 2:52 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boomerang Plus In a message dated 3/26/01 11:35:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, feeneymike@yahoo.com writes: ... Is the 24khz sample rate a big improvement over the 16khz in the old Boomerang models? Or is the sound quality still not so great? mike....i have never had a problem with the sound quality of the rang, i always thought of it as a more "analogish" sort of sound.....yes the up-grade sounds better, but you will have a choice of either sample rate with the rang +.....michael ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0B64C.085F6294 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hey, I'm new to looping and this whole group, but I'm enjoying it so far!!  I'm a bass player looking to purchase my first looping tool shortly to use mainly for practice, fun and possibly something more in the future.  I was looking mainly at the Echoplex and Boomerang+ until I heard about the Repeater.  To me, the Repeater sounds pretty darn good (even if it doesn't TOTALLY live up to the hype) and at a fairly decent price.  I'm leaning towards that now just because of the versatility that it seems to offer.  They all look like tons of fun, but I don't want to buy something that will seem out of date as soon as I get it out of the box.  Quality and usability are more important to me than price.  Opinions from experienced loopers or people in the same position???
 
-Doug

 -----Original Message-----
From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 2:52 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Boomerang Plus

In a message dated 3/26/01 11:35:09 AM Eastern Standard Time,
feeneymike@yahoo.com writes:


...  Is the 24khz sample rate a big
improvement over the 16khz in the old Boomerang models?  Or is the sound
quality still not so great?


mike....i have never had a problem with the sound quality of the rang, i
always thought of it as a more "analogish" sort of sound.....yes the up-grade
sounds better, but you will have a choice of either sample rate with the rang
+.....michael
------_=_NextPart_001_01C0B64C.085F6294-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 18:30:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28518; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:28:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:28:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <26.131f1c61.27f129c8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:24:56 EST Subject: Re: Indiana loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_26.131f1c61.27f129c8_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10520 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_26.131f1c61.27f129c8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/26/01 5:31:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, dennis@mdbs.com writes: > Mike Feeney - Muncie > Denis Taafe - Bloomington (You still there, Denis?) > Dennis Leas - (West) Lafayette > sounds like the beginings of a "middle america" loop get-to-gether extravaganza.....ill come.....michael --part1_26.131f1c61.27f129c8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/26/01 5:31:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, dennis@mdbs.com
writes:


Mike Feeney - Muncie
   Denis Taafe - Bloomington (You still there, Denis?)
   Dennis Leas - (West) Lafayette


sounds like the beginings of a "middle america" loop get-to-gether
extravaganza.....ill come.....michael --part1_26.131f1c61.27f129c8_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 18:58:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28990; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:42:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:42:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d601c0b64e$9b363820$a0b44442@austin.rr.com> From: "Jimmy George" To: , References: <6a.c738159.27f12208@aol.com> <3ABFCD70.33895096@bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: Boomerang Plus Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 17:43:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com make sure it is a v2 other wise you will have shipping and upgrades fees attached. jimmy george http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: steve To: Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 5:15 PM Subject: Re: Boomerang Plus > if you want a rang heres a guy on harmony central needing to sell one > quick, not me I have no interest or knowledge of this guy or his gear > > peace, steve > > Boomerang Phrase Sampler > > Asking Price: US$350 > Condition: Mint > Age: N/A > Description: > > Oh well...this is the last post before I go to ebay. > > This is a MINT conidition Boomerang 4 Mbyte phrase sampler. It > has no cosmetic or > working problems. I also have the power supply and manual too. > > I need to sell this quick, so I am only asking $350obo. shipped > priority mail USPS, or > UPS...either one doesn't matter to me. Sorry no COD, or Escrow > unless you intend to pay > extra for the extra charge as well, sorry...Postal money orders > only. > > This is a great deal for a mint rang' so if interested please > email me. > > Thanks, > ~Chris~ > > Seller: Chris Kubrick, 570.662.1064 > E-mail: boseman717@hotmail.com (Profile) > Location: Mansfield, PA > Post Date: 3/26/2001 > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 18:59:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29224; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:52:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:52:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20010326154331.00c633d0@popmail.ucsd.edu> X-Sender: jthornton@popmail.ucsd.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 15:49:24 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: hello In-Reply-To: <200103262333.SAA28762@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:47:34 -0800 >From: Kim Flint >the boss lists for $400, so it is not a very small fraction of the price. >Certainly it costs a lot more than a dl-4. Well, that is "list." To be fair, Musician's Friend already has the RC-20 priced down to $299, so it's not really much different in price than the DL-4, which is "listed" at $349.99 and selling there for $249.99. Plus, it's unclear yet as to whether or not the RC-20 will come with a power supply, unlike the DL-4. >I'm curious, what functionality of the rc-20 makes you think it is better >than the boomerang? (aside from the fact that it is not shipping and >therefore must be perfect. :-) From the demo I saw at NAMM, I had a >tough time understanding why anybody would choose the boss over the >boomerang or the dl-4. what do you see about it that you like? I saw the RC-20 demoed at NAMM as well and I'd agree. I'd rather have the DL-4 any day. Even if the RC-20 were *cheaper*, rather than a tad bit more expensive. Now, if it were a $50 pedal, I might reconsider. --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 19:36:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31284; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:33:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:33:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20010326183210.007ed360@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:32:10 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Weird Question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I was eating in a 'Hinduish" style restaurant recently. They were playing a piece of music that was sort of a combination of Asian and Middle Eastern in scale and instrumentation. The melody flowed nicely over the top of what was essentially a one chord loop with various instruments playing the notes (and extended notes) of the chord. Nice melody on top. I asked the manager who the group/artist was. She didn't know. The music was on a tape made by a friend of the owner. I know this a real long shot, but I wonder if anyone might have an idea of a group or artist who plays this style of music? Middle Eastern scales with looping chordal background. The piece was contemporary sounding. Sort of like a B-Tribe from the Middle East. Thanks! Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 21:19:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03115; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 21:16:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 21:16:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nyama74@cs.com Message-ID: <93.8c57108.27f1516b@cs.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 21:14:03 EST Subject: Oberheim Echoplex for sale To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 32-bit sub 112 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just wanted to let everyone know that I have an Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro for sale. It's a v.5 with 198 seconds of recording time, and it comes with the EFC-7 footcontroller. It was purchased in 1997, but it has seen very little use and is in excellent condition. If you are interested, please make an offer. I live in St. Louis, MO. Thanks...Blaine From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 21:29:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03511; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 21:27:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 21:27:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.124.95] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Devious D_MasterMixer" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Indiana loopers/What About Illinois? Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 02:26:05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Mar 2001 02:26:05.0781 (UTC) FILETIME=[468A8850:01C0B665] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

Hey, I Loop, I MiX I Play, I live in Chicago (The House Mix Capital) !

----Original Message Follows----
From: Nemoguitt@aol.com
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To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Indiana loopers
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:24:56 EST
In a message dated 3/26/01 5:31:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, dennis@mdbs.com
writes:
> Mike Feeney - Muncie
> Denis Taafe - Bloomington (You still there, Denis?)
> Dennis Leas - (West) Lafayette
>
sounds like the beginings of a "middle america" loop get-to-gether
extravaganza.....ill come.....michael

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 22:12:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05642; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:09:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:09:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:08:24 -0500 Subject: mp3.com streaming From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007b01c0b5ac$c31c7b80$7de28cd1@alanis> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As long as there's all this info about mp3.com, I'd like to see if anyone can answer this. Their streaming is quite cool, not RealAudio, but it calls up my SoundJam player. I wish I could provide this kind of streaming of mp3s on my site; Quicktime is not nearly as fluid. Anyone know? David Lee Myers http://www.pulsewidth.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Ourobouros" CD of new Feedback Music available now on Pulsewidth! In NYC at Downtown Music, Kim's Mondo, and Other Music, and through Forced Exposure, Anomalous, Wayside, Electronic Music Foundation, Recommended, and Staalplaat. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 22:38:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA06434; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:36:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:36:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004d01c0b66e$0aec73e0$7ae28cd1@alanis> From: "Paul Buelow" To: References: <004c01c0b5c6$dca31040$0201a8c0@stephen> <3ABF2F2C.DA887057@altruistmusic.com><001c01c0b620$72a81280$0201a8c0@stephen> Subject: Re: mp3.com, freebies, etc... another point of view Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:28:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com We could manage the stations by setting up a perl calendar app and have showtimes of 2-4 hours and hosts could submit shows (mp3 list) to the db or someone could be program manager. We could have regular calendar guide with a 24/7 format repeating weekly or monthly. ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Zvonar To: Stephen P. Goodman ; Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 10:36 AM Subject: Re: mp3.com, freebies, etc... another point of view > At 7:12 PM +0100 3/26/01, Stephen P. Goodman wrote: > > >We have started talking about live365 and the "radio station" > >concept for our creations - and I think that gets our material out > >to more people anyway. > > The Loopers Delight station on Live365 is ready for submissions. How > would you all like to manage it? > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com > (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com > (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com > > http://www.zvonar.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 23:54:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08901; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 23:52:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 23:52:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mp3.com, freebies, etc... another point of view Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 20:50:56 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Mar 2001 04:50:56.0274 (UTC) FILETIME=[827A8720:01C0B679] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com or we could just create our own 3+ hour stations and just have a page with all the links. >From: "Paul Buelow" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: mp3.com, freebies, etc... another point of view >Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:28:50 -0800 > >We could manage the stations by setting up a perl calendar app and have >showtimes of 2-4 hours and hosts could submit shows (mp3 list) to the db or >someone could be program manager. We could have regular calendar guide with >a 24/7 format repeating weekly or monthly. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Richard Zvonar >To: Stephen P. Goodman ; > >Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 10:36 AM >Subject: Re: mp3.com, freebies, etc... another point of view > > > > At 7:12 PM +0100 3/26/01, Stephen P. Goodman wrote: > > > > >We have started talking about live365 and the "radio station" > > >concept for our creations - and I think that gets our material out > > >to more people anyway. > > > > The Loopers Delight station on Live365 is ready for submissions. How > > would you all like to manage it? > > -- > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com > > (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com > > (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com > > > > http://www.zvonar.com > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 23:59:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA09090; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 23:57:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 23:57:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 20:45:24 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: mp3.com, freebies, etc... another point of view In-reply-to: <004d01c0b66e$0aec73e0$7ae28cd1@alanis> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: <004c01c0b5c6$dca31040$0201a8c0@stephen> <3ABF2F2C.DA887057@altruistmusic.com> <001c01c0b620$72a81280$0201a8c0@stephen> <004d01c0b66e$0aec73e0$7ae28cd1@alanis> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:28 PM -0800 3/26/01, Paul Buelow wrote: >We could manage the stations by setting up a perl calendar app and have >showtimes of 2-4 hours and hosts could submit shows (mp3 list) to the db or >someone could be program manager. We could have regular calendar guide with >a 24/7 format repeating weekly or monthly. One thing to keep in mind is that Live365 is free only up to a 365MB file storage limit. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 03:06:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA16526; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 03:00:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 03:00:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901c0b693$fbe7e3e0$fc518218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: "Loopers List" Subject: Jam Man question Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 00:00:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is there any advantage to using both outputs on the Jam Man? It is not true stereo so I don't know why I would use it- Thanks- Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 03:21:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA16775; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 03:19:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 03:19:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Andy Ewen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Echoplex/Boomerang/Repeater... Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 02:13:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0B695.C39724FE" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0B695.C39724FE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Doug, The Repeater does sound good, but if you want a 'looping tool shortly' , then you will need to look elsewhere as it's not shipping for another 3 months and the price is not definately confirmed yet. Personally, I can't wait for it to ship and then there can be some real objective discussion from users rather than this endless speculation. It takes a long time to explore all the functions of these devices and experiment with what they can do so obsolescence is not so much of an issue. The Echoplex has been around for over 7 years and seems to be more popular than ever. So what you really need is an Echoplex and a new Trace Elliot Bass stack; and I'm not just saying that because we make both :-) Andy-Trace R&D ---Original Message----- From: Doug Johnston [mailto:DJohnston@once.com] Sent: 27 March 2001 00:26 To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: Echoplex/Boomerang/Repeater... Hey, I'm new to looping and this whole group, but I'm enjoying it so far!! I'm a bass player looking to purchase my first looping tool shortly to use mainly for practice, fun and possibly something more in the future. I was looking mainly at the Echoplex and Boomerang+ until I heard about the Repeater. To me, the Repeater sounds pretty darn good (even if it doesn't TOTALLY live up to the hype) and at a fairly decent price. I'm leaning towards that now just because of the versatility that it seems to offer. They all look like tons of fun, but I don't want to buy something that will seem out of date as soon as I get it out of the box. Quality and usability are more important to me than price. Opinions from experienced loopers or people in the same position??? -Doug -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 2:52 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boomerang Plus In a message dated 3/26/01 11:35:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, feeneymike@yahoo.com writes: ... Is the 24khz sample rate a big improvement over the 16khz in the old Boomerang models? Or is the sound quality still not so great? mike....i have never had a problem with the sound quality of the rang, i always thought of it as a more "analogish" sort of sound.....yes the up-grade sounds better, but you will have a choice of either sample rate with the rang +.....michael ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0B695.C39724FE Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Doug,
The Repeater does sound good, but if you want a 'looping tool shortly' , then you will need to look elsewhere as it's not shipping for another 3 months and the price is not definately confirmed yet. Personally, I can't wait for it to ship and then there can be some real objective discussion from users rather than this endless speculation.
It takes a long time to explore all the functions of these devices and experiment with what they can do so obsolescence is not so much of an issue. The Echoplex has been around for over 7 years and seems to be more popular than ever.
So what you really need is an Echoplex and a new Trace Elliot Bass stack; and I'm not just saying that because we make both :-)
Andy-Trace R&D
 
 
 
 ---Original Message-----
From: Doug Johnston [mailto:DJohnston@once.com]
Sent: 27 March 2001 00:26
To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'
Subject: Echoplex/Boomerang/Repeater...

Hey, I'm new to looping and this whole group, but I'm enjoying it so far!!  I'm a bass player looking to purchase my first looping tool shortly to use mainly for practice, fun and possibly something more in the future.  I was looking mainly at the Echoplex and Boomerang+ until I heard about the Repeater.  To me, the Repeater sounds pretty darn good (even if it doesn't TOTALLY live up to the hype) and at a fairly decent price.  I'm leaning towards that now just because of the versatility that it seems to offer.  They all look like tons of fun, but I don't want to buy something that will seem out of date as soon as I get it out of the box.  Quality and usability are more important to me than price.  Opinions from experienced loopers or people in the same position???
 
-Doug

 -----Original Message-----
From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 2:52 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Boomerang Plus

In a message dated 3/26/01 11:35:09 AM Eastern Standard Time,
feeneymike@yahoo.com writes:


...  Is the 24khz sample rate a big
improvement over the 16khz in the old Boomerang models?  Or is the sound
quality still not so great?


mike....i have never had a problem with the sound quality of the rang, i
always thought of it as a more "analogish" sort of sound.....yes the up-grade
sounds better, but you will have a choice of either sample rate with the rang
+.....michael
------_=_NextPart_001_01C0B695.C39724FE-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 03:29:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA16943; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 03:26:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 03:26:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: o.malhomme@club.lemonde.fr Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:26:48 +0200 (CEST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: problem with the digest... X-Mailer: Medianet/v1.14 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id DAA16915 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mmmm Is it normal folks? I get from the digest only the head of it, I mean, titles of the messages in the beginning and nothing else.... No message body... Is there something wrong ??? Olivier, who was happy to be back on the list... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 04:42:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA18796; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 04:40:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 04:40:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AC05F3C.5D3546C1@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 04:37:01 -0500 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mp3.com streaming References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com try here, its what they use. cheers jd http://shoutcast.com/ David Myers wrote: > As long as there's all this info about mp3.com, I'd like to see if anyone > can answer this. Their streaming is quite cool, not RealAudio, but it calls > up my SoundJam player. I wish I could provide this kind of streaming of > mp3s on my site; Quicktime is not nearly as fluid. Anyone know? > > David Lee Myers > http://www.pulsewidth.com > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > "Ourobouros" CD of new Feedback Music available now on Pulsewidth! > In NYC at Downtown Music, Kim's Mondo, and Other Music, and through Forced > Exposure, Anomalous, Wayside, Electronic Music Foundation, Recommended, and > Staalplaat. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 07:49:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA24389; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 07:46:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 07:46:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <390180953.985697082969.JavaMail.root@web595-ec> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 07:44:41 -0500 (EST) From: "Brian Thomson, Dublin IE" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: tricking sound editors and other forced randomizations Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 207.122.110.165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there - I've been doing this on and off for a couple of years now, with a few interesting results, but no final compostitions yet. I use CoolEdit Pro for this, and it works great. Here's a couple of tricks I use too: - Use Spectral View to spot where useful information is. Most of an EXE file might be noise, and you don't want to listen to that for too long..! - avoid temporary or page files, since these sometimes contain real audio data, which is a bit pointless, really. - you can control the sample rate at which you load the file, so the same file may give better results at a lower or higher speed... Cheers, Brian Thomson, Dublin IE bnt@email.com (ceci n'est pas un .sig) ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 07:54:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA24584; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 07:52:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 07:52:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 13:54:06 +0100 Subject: rc20/dl4 etc From: roberto To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20010326154331.00c633d0@popmail.ucsd.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4TFUMB.A.7_F._zIw6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >> I'm curious, what functionality of the rc-20 makes you think it is better >> than the boomerang? (aside from the fact that it is not shipping and >> therefore must be perfect. :-) From the demo I saw at NAMM, I had a >> tough time understanding why anybody would choose the boss over the >> boomerang or the dl-4. what do you see about it that you like? ...the (according to Roland specs) 5 and a half minutes recording time and the apparent ease of use for live gigs seem to me the two strong points of the RC 20. However, it's all to be verified when some units will be available - apparently it won't be in the UK before May, it's likely to be available to you guys in the States first... > > I saw the RC-20 demoed at NAMM as well and I'd agree. I'd rather have the > DL-4 any day. Even if the RC-20 were *cheaper*, rather than a tad bit more > expensive. > Now, if it were a $50 pedal, I might reconsider. Because of sound quality? Because of usability?... Roberto ______________________________________________ Roberto Battista http://www.robat.scl.net http://www.robat.scl.net/lectures/index.shtm Tel. 0044 020 8449 1995 Mobile 0775 960 4344 ______________________________________________ http://www.rustyrobot.com independent on-line music distribution, the music you can't find elsewhere, contemporary classical, eclectic, world... ______________________________________________ http://www.robat.scl.net/html/tibet/tibet.shtm an exciting project on technology applied to mobile education for developing countries and remote locations... ______________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 08:11:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA25989; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 08:08:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 08:08:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AC11D30.21D2BD1A@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:07:28 -0800 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: problem with the digest... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com o.malhomme@club.lemonde.fr wrote: > > Mmmm Is it normal folks? I get from the digest only the head of it, I mean, titles of the messages in the beginning and nothing else.... > No message body... > Is there something wrong ??? > > Olivier, who was happy to be back on the list... Hey Olivier Velcome bacque Its been sometimes been playing a lot ? Stick"ing" a lot ? Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 09:57:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA28936; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 09:54:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 09:54:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002d01c0b642$dc6f91d0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <000e01c0b63b$cdd6b560$553c1118@muncie1.in.home.com> <002d01c0b642$dc6f91d0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 09:53:03 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: traig Subject: Re: Indiana loopers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >We seem to have this college-town thing happening here. Of the three >Indiana loopers I know of, we've got: > Mike Feeney - Muncie > Denis Taafe - Bloomington (You still there, Denis?) > Dennis Leas - (West) Lafayette > >What's it mean? > >Any other Indiana loopers? > >Dennis Leas >------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com this is traig foltz - i guess i am a looper by definition as i am on this list. i live in south bend, indiana and work at the university of notre dame. -- Traig Foltz Audio Production Specialist University of Notre Dame Office of Information Technology Office: (219)631 - 3752 Fax: (219) 631 - 8777 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 10:28:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30727; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:27:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:27:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4A3C@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Indiana loopers Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:24:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Yes, I do looping in Blooomington,In . Hey I will be playing a looping gig at Bear's place in Bloomingtn,IN at 10pm |April 4th, I'm also working on a soundtack for an indi film that will feature looping. Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.sdtguitar.com -----Original Message----- From: traig [mailto:Traig.S.Foltz.5@nd.edu] S Subject: Re: Indiana loopers >We seem to have this college-town thing happening here. Of the three >Indiana loopers I know of, we've got: > Mike Feeney - Muncie > Denis Taafe - Bloomington (You still there, Denis?) > Dennis Leas - (West) Lafayette > >What From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 11:21:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00343; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:18:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:18:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010327161619.55295.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 08:16:19 -0800 (PST) From: keith mckenney Subject: unsubscribe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1681692777-985709779=:55261" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1681692777-985709779=:55261 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii unsubscribe --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail. --0-1681692777-985709779=:55261-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 11:25:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00529; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:22:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:22:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000301c0b6d9$505e7520$64b4a8c0@mindspring.com> From: "phalen orion" To: References: <3AC05F3C.5D3546C1@bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: mp3.com streaming Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 08:16:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's simpler than that... all you have to do is link to an m3u or pls file that contains the http:// addresses of mp3s, and have the bandwidth to stream them. Best, Jonathan aka phalen180 www.infin8ty.com << try here, its what they use. cheers jd http://shoutcast.com/ David Myers wrote: > As long as there's all this info about mp3.com, I'd like to see if anyone > can answer this. Their streaming is quite cool, not RealAudio, but it calls > up my SoundJam player. I wish I could provide this kind of streaming of > mp3s on my site; Quicktime is not nearly as fluid. Anyone know? > > David Lee Myers > http://www.pulsewidth.com >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 11:46:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01160; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:44:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:44:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:42:26 -0500 Subject: Re: mp3.com streaming From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3AC05F3C.5D3546C1@bellsouth.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Jeff. Unfortunately it's more hairy than hoped, and worse, Windoze only. Oh well.... DLM on 3/27/01 4:37 AM, Jeff Duke at echo177@bellsouth.net wrote: > try here, its what they use. > cheers jd > http://shoutcast.com/ > > David Myers wrote: > >> As long as there's all this info about mp3.com, I'd like to see if anyone >> can answer this. Their streaming is quite cool, not RealAudio, but it calls >> up my SoundJam player. I wish I could provide this kind of streaming of >> mp3s on my site; Quicktime is not nearly as fluid. Anyone know? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 11:47:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01228; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:45:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:45:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:44:28 -0500 Subject: Re: tricking sound editors and other forced randomizations From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <390180953.985697082969.JavaMail.root@web595-ec> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On this topic (tricking sound programs to open other files), does anyone have experience doing this on the Mac? All posts so far seem to be Win only... David Lee Myers http://www.pulsewidth.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Ourobouros" CD of new Feedback Music available now on Pulsewidth! In NYC at Downtown Music, Kim's Mondo, and Other Music, and through Forced Exposure, Anomalous, Wayside, Electronic Music Foundation, Recommended, and Staalplaat. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 11:55:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01570; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:53:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:53:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010327165059.26912.qmail@web5102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 08:50:59 -0800 (PST) From: Alx Subject: Re: Jam Man question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002901c0b693$fbe7e3e0$fc518218@we.mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Om_Audio wrote: > Is there any advantage to using both outputs on the > Jam Man? It is not true > stereo so I don't know why I would use it- Thanks- > Cliff You can use both outputs if youīre using a stereo processor before the Jamman, it wonīt sample in stereo but the non-looped sounds will remain stereo, or you can send signal to 2 different amps. Alx. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 12:05:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02919; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:03:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:03:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AC0C750.E4CF26FC@altruistmusic.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 09:01:05 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Revenge of the ambient guitar-loop paradigm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello list, I've just uploaded a ton of streaming, full-length samples of music of mine from over the years, including a number of solo guitar-loop thingies. Here are some direct links to RealAudio streams for you: http://www.altruistmusic.com/ram/inferno.ram A pretty convincing Gyorgy Ligetti rip-off. Don't blame me if a monolith materializes behind you. http://www.altruistmusic.com/ram/azimuth.ram A 17-minute e-bowed extraveganza that morphs from a decent Debussy impersonation into a cosmic pipe organ. Either an authentic ambient genre piece, or a horrendous stylistic cliche, depending on your point of view... http://www.altruistmusic.com/ram/exit.ram An excerpt from a live guitar synth performance (put those crucifixes and garlic cloves away, please) at infamous LA restaurant Lumpy Gravy, which drove several elderly customers out of the place with expressions of pain on their faces. (I wasn't hired back after this one...) http://www.altruistmusic.com/ram/some.ram Robot cat takes spin in washing machine, sounds tornado alarm, ascends top of holy mountain, merges with Atman. Details on all of these and more can be found at http://www.altruistmusic.com/archive/index.html Thanks for your ears and attention... The beatings will continue until the morale improves, Andre LaFosse | Disruption Theory | http://www.altruistmusic.com ================================================================ "A spectacular collision of manifold musical thoughts and patterns... To call Disruption Theory a futuristic album would be an understatement." (20th Century Guitar Magazine, February 2001) "His six-stringer is pumped up with energy, creating a firestorm of pyrotechnics and burning sounds, but with a sensitivity to weirdness and experimentation. Disruption Theory reveals the difference it makes when a player knows what he is doing. Here is one that deserves the title 'unique'." (Expose Magazine, October 2000) "Fripp and Zappa, step aside." (MOJO Magazine, May 2000) ========================================================= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 13:48:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06388; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:46:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:46:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [205.174.185.114] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RC-20 vs DL-4 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:43:53 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Mar 2001 18:43:53.0431 (UTC) FILETIME=[DF2F7E70:01C0B6ED] Resent-Message-ID: <9yiGgD.A.gjB.I-Nw6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I saw the RC-20 demoed at NAMM as well and I'd agree. I'd rather have the >DL-4 any day. Even if the RC-20 were *cheaper*, rather than a tad bit more >expensive. >Now, if it were a $50 pedal, I might reconsider. Because of sound quality? Because of usability?... Roberto No, because $50 for a looper pedal is a damn good deal! Paolo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 15:38:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11187; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:35:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:35:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.120.247] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Devious D_MasterMixer" To: Samplestation@yahoogroups.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: [Samplestation] TRADING SAMPLES CD Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 20:34:16 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Mar 2001 20:34:16.0935 (UTC) FILETIME=[4B19FF70:01C0B6FD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

I am curious ? Is this even legal ? After all that hallabaloo about Napster and electronic trading of media, can we sell, trade or even give away "software" ., even if we buy it ? For example, I have an old copy of Sonic Foundry Sound Forge 4.5 that I purchased. I recently purchased Sound Forge 5.0, now I no longer need 4.5, can I sell that ? Or trade it, if so what's the difference between that and trading on Napster (except that Napster has 1,000's of people trading 100,000's of files, and I have just 1 Sound Forge 4.5). Does the volume of the trade matter, or is it the principle of it all?

----Original Message Follows----
From: "Ronald Morris"
Reply-To: Samplestation@yahoogroups.com
To:
Subject: Re: [Samplestation] TRADING SAMPLES CD
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:40:14 -0600
whaaaaat would you want for to trade me the phatt beats you have i have:
appz
cudase 5
nuendo 1.5
cakewalk 9
logic plat.
reaSON
gigastuduio
and many others....
sample cds:
miroslav library
ac entertainment sample sets
mpc2000xl samples vol.1
----- Original Message -----
From: Walter Sacco
To: Samplestation@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Samplestation] TRADING SAMPLES CD
Hi Benjamin,
this is my list let me know if you want to swap sample CD,
Cheers,
Volt
WAV sample CD`s
Total Drum&Bass 3 CD set
Jungle Frenzy
Orbit Beats
Phatt Beats
Drum&Bass construction
Acid Jazz
House and Garage Construction
House Construction
Dance Megadrums 4000 drumkits
EMU sample CD`s
Analog odyssey
Trance Techno
Hip-hop nation
Drum kits and percussion vol.16
Dance 2000 vol.13
ESI 32Production Soundset vol.2
ESI 32Production Soundset vol.12
World Percussion/ensembles vol.6
Elements of sound vol.10
Elements of sound vol.11
Vintage vol.8
Emu classics vol.7
World instruments vol.5
Sound FX vol.4
Orchestral vol.3
Emulator standards vol.1
Emulator standards vol.2
3-D audio collection vol.5
Producer series vol.1
Producer series vol.2
AKAI sample CD`s
Distorted Realityt
Wizoo electronic drums
Akai sound library vol.1
----- Original Message -----
From: Logan, Benjamin
To: 'Samplestation@yahoogroups.com'
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 5:03 PM
Subject: RE: [Samplestation] TRADING SAMPLES CD
Ones I like the sound of:
Dance Vocals-Vol. 4
Data Becker House
Data Becker Vocals
Speed Garage Elements
Latin Dance Construction
House Construction-Vol. 1
House Construction-Vol. 2
House Construction-Vol. 3
House & garage construction-Vol. 11
Sample pack1
Dimitri Speed Garage
Grant Nelson 2Step & Drum sample pack
-----Original Message-----
From: paul [mailto:pgarry@lisney.com]
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 3:42 PM
To: Samplestation@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Samplestation] TRADING SAMPLES CD
Here are my lists .... do u have any more???? Software or Samples needed !!!!
Cheers
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Nuber [mailto:kev527@hotmail.com]
Sent: 23 March 2001 18:08
To: Samplestation@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Samplestation] TRADING SAMPLES CD
i got:
dance mega disco house loops
xx-large house loops
dance mega add-ons
xx-large no kick
i will trade copies of the original cd's in either audio or data format's
kevin
houseculture
>From:
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>To:
>Subject: RE: [Samplestation] TRADING SAMPLES CD
>Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:17:07 +0100
>
>please send me your list.
>i got many cds to trade,
>including all 6 samplearena cdroms (they are great!!!)
>(http://www.samplearena.com/cdroms.htm)
>and many cds in akai,wav,audio...
>jj.
>
>
>
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>whadda got?
>
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 15:47:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11470; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:46:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:46:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.163.54.152] From: "Denis Aldrich" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Drum machine set up for looping rack Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:44:51 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Mar 2001 20:44:51.0738 (UTC) FILETIME=[C5793FA0:01C0B6FE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello loopers, In setting up my rack, I plan to use a sterio drum machine. A Dr-5 to be specific. I am thinking of panning all drums either full right or left within the drum machine. The outputs I plan to go into a crossfade pedal and then into their respective channels on the mixer. With this setup I should be able to have a separate drum track on left and right, but able to blend from one rythem to another and back again with their own individual effect chained in. At the mixer the inputs can be center panned back or have a LFO control the pan. Has anyone done anything like this? Does it seem to anybody else that this could be a neat way to blend rythem changes? The Dr-5 also has "fill to variation and fill to original" options that would allow multipule "rythem pairs" to be used in one song. Should I or shouldn't I, that is the question. :-) Denis _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 15:55:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11768; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:54:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:54:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AC0FCA9.5A44E9C4@fullcompass.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:48:41 -0600 From: "Jim Schaefer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Drum machine set up for looping rack References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I also own a DR5. It does not allow for seperate rhythms playing continuously on left and right sides. You can program (x) amount of measures of one pattern, then (x) amount of measures of another pattern and pan them respectively. - Jim Denis Aldrich wrote: > > Hello loopers, > In setting up my rack, I plan to use a sterio drum machine. A Dr-5 to be > specific. I am thinking of panning all drums either full right or left > within the drum machine. The outputs I plan to go into a crossfade pedal > and then into their respective channels on the mixer. > > With this setup I should be able to have a separate drum track on left and > right, but able to blend from one rythem to another and back again with > their own individual effect chained in. At the mixer the inputs can be > center panned back or have a LFO control the pan. Has anyone done anything > like this? Does it seem to anybody else that this could be a neat way to > blend rythem changes? The Dr-5 also has "fill to variation and fill to > original" options that would allow multipule "rythem pairs" to be used in > one song. Should I or shouldn't I, that is the question. :-) > Denis > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 16:01:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12998; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:59:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:59:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004601c0b700$553b3340$6401a8c0@nwlink.com> From: "Bob Campbell" To: References: Subject: Re: mp3.com streaming Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:56:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Playstream.com provides inexpensive audio/video streaming from their servers. You use a link on your site that streams from their server. They have a 'personal' package that costs $4.99/mo and gives you 10MB of storage, with 400MB transfer. I've tried it, it was very easy to set up. http://www.playstream.com/ http://www.playstream.com/pricing.asp -Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Myers" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 8:42 AM Subject: Re: mp3.com streaming > Thanks Jeff. Unfortunately it's more hairy than hoped, and worse, Windoze > only. Oh well.... > > DLM > > on 3/27/01 4:37 AM, Jeff Duke at echo177@bellsouth.net wrote: > > > try here, its what they use. > > cheers jd > > http://shoutcast.com/ > > > > David Myers wrote: > > > >> As long as there's all this info about mp3.com, I'd like to see if anyone > >> can answer this. Their streaming is quite cool, not RealAudio, but it calls > >> up my SoundJam player. I wish I could provide this kind of streaming of > >> mp3s on my site; Quicktime is not nearly as fluid. Anyone know? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 16:31:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13719; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:28:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:28:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Mike McGary" To: Subject: RE: [Samplestation] TRADING SAMPLES CD Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:31:40 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C0B6D3.055539C0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C0B6D3.055539C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Read your license agreement that comes with your software package. It is very explicit about what is allowed and what is not allowed. You most likely agreed to this agreement when you installed the software. Most software packages allow you to resell them as long as you include the original media and documentation. Mike McGary -----Original Message----- From: Devious D_MasterMixer [mailto:dj_devious_d@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 8:34 PM To: Samplestation@yahoogroups.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: [Samplestation] TRADING SAMPLES CD I am curious ? Is this even legal ? After all that hallabaloo about Napster and electronic trading of media, can we sell, trade or even give away "software" ., even if we buy it ? For example, I have an old copy of Sonic Foundry Sound Forge 4.5 that I purchased. I recently purchased Sound Forge 5.0, now I no longer need 4.5, can I sell that ? Or trade it, if so what's the difference between that and trading on Napster (except that Napster has 1,000's of people trading 100,000's of files, and I have just 1 Sound Forge 4.5). Does the volume of the trade matter, or is it the principle of it all? ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Ronald Morris" Reply-To: Samplestation@yahoogroups.com To: Subject: Re: [Samplestation] TRADING SAMPLES CD Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:40:14 -0600 whaaaaat would you want for to trade me the phatt beats you have i have: appz cudase 5 nuendo 1.5 cakewalk 9 logic plat. reaSON gigastuduio and many others.... sample cds: miroslav library ac entertainment sample sets mpc2000xl samples vol.1 ----- Original Message ----- From: Walter Sacco To: Samplestation@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [Samplestation] TRADING SAMPLES CD Hi Benjamin, this is my list let me know if you want to swap sample CD, Cheers, Volt WAV sample CD`s Total Drum&Bass 3 CD set Jungle Frenzy Orbit Beats Phatt Beats Drum&Bass construction Acid Jazz House and Garage Construction House Construction Dance Megadrums 4000 drumkits EMU sample CD`s Analog odyssey Trance Techno Hip-hop nation Drum kits and percussion vol.16 Dance 2000 vol.13 ESI 32Production Soundset vol.2 ESI 32Production Soundset vol.12 World Percussion/ensembles vol.6 Elements of sound vol.10 Elements of sound vol.11 Vintage vol.8 Emu classics vol.7 World instruments vol.5 Sound FX vol.4 Orchestral vol.3 Emulator standards vol.1 Emulator standards vol.2 3-D audio collection vol.5 Producer series vol.1 Producer series vol.2 AKAI sample CD`s Distorted Realityt Wizoo electronic drums Akai sound library vol.1 ----- Original Message ----- From: Logan, Benjamin To: 'Samplestation@yahoogroups.com' Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 5:03 PM Subject: RE: [Samplestation] TRADING SAMPLES CD Ones I like the sound of: Dance Vocals-Vol. 4 Data Becker House Data Becker Vocals Speed Garage Elements Latin Dance Construction House Construction-Vol. 1 House Construction-Vol. 2 House Construction-Vol. 3 House & garage construction-Vol. 11 Sample pack1 Dimitri Speed Garage Grant Nelson 2Step & Drum sample pack -----Original Message----- From: paul [mailto:pgarry@lisney.com] Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 3:42 PM To: Samplestation@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Samplestation] TRADING SAMPLES CD Here are my lists .... do u have any more???? Software or Samples needed !!!! Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Nuber [mailto:kev527@hotmail.com] Sent: 23 March 2001 18:08 To: Samplestation@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Samplestation] TRADING SAMPLES CD i got: dance mega disco house loops xx-large house loops dance mega add-ons xx-large no kick i will trade copies of the original cd's in either audio or data format's kevin houseculture >From: >Reply-To: Samplestation@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: RE: [Samplestation] TRADING SAMPLES CD >Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:17:07 +0100 > >please send me your list. >i got many cds to trade, >including all 6 samplearena cdroms (they are great!!!) >(http://www.samplearena.com/cdroms.htm) >and many cds in akai,wav,audio... >jj. > > > >-----Pųvodní zpráva----- >Od: "Colon, Louis" >Odesláno: 22. bøezna 2001 21:30 >Komu: "'Samplestation@yahoogroups.com'" >Pøedmėt: RE: [Samplestation] TRADING SAMPLES CD > >whadda got? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Walter Sacco [SMTP:volt.sab@cwcom.net] > > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 2:08 PM > > To: Samplestation@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [Samplestation] TRADING SAMPLES CD > > > > Does anyone out there is interested about trading some samples CD? > > > > > > > > Community email addresses: > > Post message: Samplestation@onelist.com > > Subscribe: Samplestation-subscribe@onelist.com > > Unsubscribe: Samplestation-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > List owner: Samplestation-owner@onelist.com > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > http://www.onelist.com/community/Samplestation > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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Most=20 software packages allow you to resell them as long as you include=20 the
original media and documentation.
 
        Mike=20 McGary
-----Original Message-----
From: Devious = D_MasterMixer=20 [mailto:dj_devious_d@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, = 2001 8:34=20 PM
To: Samplestation@yahoogroups.com
Cc:=20 Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: [Samplestation] = TRADING=20 SAMPLES CD

I am curious ? Is this even legal ? After all that hallabaloo about = Napster=20 and electronic trading of media, can we sell, trade or even give away=20 "software" ., even if we buy it ? For example, I have an old copy of = Sonic=20 Foundry Sound Forge 4.5 that I purchased. I recently purchased Sound = Forge=20 5.0, now I no longer need 4.5, can I sell that ? Or trade it, if so = what's the=20 difference between that and trading on Napster (except that Napster = has=20 1,000's of people trading 100,000's of files, and I have just 1 Sound = Forge=20 4.5). Does the volume of the trade matter, or is it the principle = of it=20 all?

----Original Message Follows----=20
From: "Ronald Morris"
Reply-To: Samplestation@yahoogroups.com=20
To:
Subject: Re: [Samplestation] TRADING SAMPLES CD=20
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:40:14 -0600=20
whaaaaat would you want for to trade me the phatt beats you = have i=20 have:=20
appz=20
cudase 5=20
nuendo 1.5=20
cakewalk 9=20
logic plat.=20
reaSON=20
gigastuduio=20
and many others....=20
sample cds:=20
miroslav library=20
ac entertainment sample sets=20
mpc2000xl samples vol.1=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Walter Sacco=20
To: Samplestation@yahoogroups.com=20
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 6:17 PM=20
Subject: Re: [Samplestation] TRADING SAMPLES CD=20
Hi Benjamin,=20
this is my list let me know if you want to swap sample CD,=20
Cheers,=20
Volt=20
WAV sample CD`s=20
Total Drum&Bass 3 CD set=20
Jungle Frenzy=20
Orbit Beats=20
Phatt Beats=20
Drum&Bass construction=20
Acid Jazz=20
House and Garage Construction=20
House Construction=20
Dance Megadrums 4000 drumkits=20
EMU sample CD`s=20
Analog odyssey=20
Trance Techno=20
Hip-hop nation=20
Drum kits and percussion vol.16=20
Dance 2000 vol.13=20
ESI 32Production Soundset vol.2=20
ESI 32Production Soundset vol.12=20
World Percussion/ensembles vol.6=20
Elements of sound vol.10=20
Elements of sound vol.11=20
Vintage vol.8=20
Emu classics vol.7=20
World instruments vol.5=20
Sound FX vol.4=20
Orchestral vol.3=20
Emulator standards vol.1=20
Emulator standards vol.2=20
3-D audio collection vol.5=20
Producer series vol.1=20
Producer series vol.2=20
AKAI sample CD`s=20
Distorted Realityt=20
Wizoo electronic drums=20
Akai sound library vol.1=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Logan, Benjamin=20
To: 'Samplestation@yahoogroups.com'=20
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 5:03 PM=20
Subject: RE: [Samplestation] TRADING SAMPLES CD=20
Ones I like the sound of:=20
Dance Vocals-Vol. 4=20
Data Becker House=20
Data Becker Vocals=20
Speed Garage Elements=20
Latin Dance Construction=20
House Construction-Vol. 1=20
House Construction-Vol. 2=20
House Construction-Vol. 3=20
House & garage construction-Vol. 11=20
Sample pack1=20
Dimitri Speed Garage=20
Grant Nelson 2Step & Drum sample pack=20
-----Original Message-----=20
From: paul [mailto:pgarry@lisney.com]=20
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 3:42 PM=20
To: Samplestation@yahoogroups.com=20
Subject: RE: [Samplestation] TRADING SAMPLES CD=20
Here are my lists .... do u have any more???? Software or = Samples=20 needed !!!!=20
Cheers=20
Paul=20
-----Original Message-----=20
From: Kevin Nuber [mailto:kev527@hotmail.com]=20
Sent: 23 March 2001 18:08=20
To: Samplestation@yahoogroups.com=20
Subject: RE: [Samplestation] TRADING SAMPLES CD=20
i got:=20
dance mega disco house loops=20
xx-large house loops=20
dance mega add-ons=20
xx-large no kick=20
i will trade copies of the original cd's in either audio or = data=20 format's=20
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------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C0B6D3.055539C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 16:53:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14225; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:50:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:50:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:35:50 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: [Samplestation] TRADING SAMPLES CD In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com, Samplestation@yahoogroups.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1226392963==_ma============" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1226392963==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 8:34 PM +0000 3/27/01, Devious D_MasterMixer wrote: >I am curious ? Is this even legal ? After all that hallabaloo about >Napster and electronic trading of media, can we sell, trade or even >give away "software" ., even if we buy it ? For example, I have an >old copy of Sonic Foundry Sound Forge 4.5 that I purchased. I >recently purchased Sound Forge 5.0, now I no longer need 4.5, can I >sell that ? Or trade it, if so what's the difference between that >and trading on Napster (except that Napster has 1,000's of people >trading 100,000's of files, and I have just 1 Sound Forge 4.5). Does >the volume of the trade matter, or is it the principle of it all? Selling, or even giving away, a copy of software is theft if you also retain a copy for yourself. When you purchase a copy of software you are not buying the software outright. You are paying for a license to use the software. Different software companies have different policies concerning such licenses. Some are quite strict and consider it a breach of the license if you even run the software on more than one computer, and some companies even forbid the transfer of the license to another party. Other companies are more lenient and it is relatively common for transfer of a license to be authorized by the company. In this case you would have to give up all use of the software yourself, transfer your serial number and/or authorization code to the new licensee, and in some cases the new user would pay a fee for the transfer. So in your specific case, if you bought Sound Forge 4.5 at full price and then you also bought Sound Forge 5.0 a full price, you could probably sell or give away the older version. But if you bought an upgrade from Sound Forge 4.5 to 5.0 at a special upgrade price, then your selling or giving away the older version is theft (or "piracy" if you prefer that term). During my first year or so of using the Mac I stole all the software I had. I felt justified because I was poor and because I assumed that the software companies were probably rich (and anyway, they were probably bad people because they wanted money for their products). I took great delight in being able to "crack" copy protection and make copies of key disks. Then one day at the NAMM show I met someone I knew who had just started a software company and had two very "kewl" interactive MIDI programs for the Mac. I HAD to have them, and I couldn't wait for someone to crack the copy protection. Besides, here was somebody I actually knew and he was creating something really great. I whipped out my newly-acquired credit card and bought both programs on the spot. These days I'm less poor than I was, and I have personal and sometimes professional relationships with a lot of the people whose software I use. I have legitimate paid-for licenses for all the software I use. I recommend you do the same. P.S. I'll be interested in what my friends at Steinberg, Cakewalk, E-mu, Nemesys, eMagic, Spectrasonics, et al think about your "swap lists." -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com --============_-1226392963==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: [Samplestation] TRADING SAMPLES CD
At 8:34 PM +0000 3/27/01, Devious D_MasterMixer wrote:
I am curious ? Is this even legal ? After all that hallabaloo about Napster and electronic trading of media, can we sell, trade or even give away "software" ., even if we buy it ? For example, I have an old copy of Sonic Foundry Sound Forge 4.5 that I purchased. I recently purchased Sound Forge 5.0, now I no longer need 4.5, can I sell that ? Or trade it, if so what's the difference between that and trading on Napster (except that Napster has 1,000's of people trading 100,000's of files, and I have just 1 Sound Forge 4.5). Does the volume of the trade matter, or is it the principle of it all?

Selling, or even giving away, a copy of software is theft if you also retain a copy for yourself. When you purchase a copy of software you are not buying the software outright. You are paying for a license to use the software.

Different software companies have different policies concerning such licenses. Some are quite strict and consider it a breach of the license if you even run the software on more than one computer, and some companies even forbid the transfer of the license to another party. Other companies are more lenient and it is relatively common for transfer of a license to be authorized by the company. In this case you would have to give up all use of the software yourself, transfer your serial number and/or authorization code to the new licensee, and in some cases the new user would pay a fee for the transfer.

So in your specific case, if you bought Sound Forge 4.5 at full price and then you also bought Sound Forge 5.0 a full price, you could probably sell or give away the older version. But if you bought an upgrade from Sound Forge 4.5 to 5.0 at a special upgrade price, then your selling or giving away the older version is theft (or "piracy" if you prefer that term).

During my first year or so of using the Mac I stole all the software I had. I felt justified because I was poor and because I assumed that the software companies were probably rich (and anyway, they were probably bad people because they wanted money for their products). I took great delight in being able to "crack" copy protection and make copies of key disks. Then one day at the NAMM show I met someone I knew who had just started a software company and had two very "kewl" interactive MIDI  programs for the Mac. I HAD to have them, and I couldn't wait for someone to crack the copy protection. Besides, here was somebody I actually knew and he was creating something really great. I whipped out my newly-acquired credit card and bought both programs on the spot.

These days I'm less poor than I was, and I have personal and sometimes professional relationships with a lot of the people whose software I use. I have legitimate paid-for licenses for all the software I use. I recommend you do the same.

P.S. I'll be interested in what my friends at Steinberg, Cakewalk, E-mu,  Nemesys, eMagic, Spectrasonics,  et al  think about your "swap lists."
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--============_-1226392963==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 16:59:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14483; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:57:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:57:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002401c0b709$057f6e80$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <3AC0FCA9.5A44E9C4@fullcompass.com> Subject: Re: Drum machine set up for looping rack Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:58:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I own a DR-5 and am over it- and unless you need the other tracks I would reccomend you sell it- I borrowed a DR-770 recently- much better sounds, more memory, roll/flam button, much better pads and sesitivity levels, drum panning etc- If only the DR-5 were upgradable... My $.02 Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Schaefer" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 12:48 PM Subject: Re: Drum machine set up for looping rack > I also own a DR5. It does not allow for seperate rhythms playing > continuously on left and right sides. You can program (x) amount of > measures of one pattern, then (x) amount of measures of another pattern > and pan them respectively. > > > - Jim > > Denis Aldrich wrote: > > > > Hello loopers, > > In setting up my rack, I plan to use a sterio drum machine. A Dr-5 to be > > specific. I am thinking of panning all drums either full right or left > > within the drum machine. The outputs I plan to go into a crossfade pedal > > and then into their respective channels on the mixer. > > > > With this setup I should be able to have a separate drum track on left and > > right, but able to blend from one rythem to another and back again with > > their own individual effect chained in. At the mixer the inputs can be > > center panned back or have a LFO control the pan. Has anyone done anything > > like this? Does it seem to anybody else that this could be a neat way to > > blend rythem changes? The Dr-5 also has "fill to variation and fill to > > original" options that would allow multipule "rythem pairs" to be used in > > one song. Should I or shouldn't I, that is the question. :-) > > Denis > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 17:16:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16023; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:14:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:14:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.126.37] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Devious D_MasterMixer" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Samplestation@yahoogroups.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: [Samplestation] TRADING SAMPLES CD Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:13:35 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Mar 2001 22:13:36.0225 (UTC) FILETIME=[2B1D7D10:01C0B70B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

Hey, brother man, this aint my swap list ! I am a member of a news thread, (like Loopers Delight), and I saw this thread in my mailbox. It bought up a few ethical question, and I released the thread to get you guys comments.

I am a Software Engineer (ole skool mainframe -COBOL MVS/JCL) so all these PC applications are very intriguing to me. I really feel for the Software companies, (especially with the Market, and Tech Stocks and things), so I know they need every bit of revenue they can muster. And with that thought, we must remember, unless these companies make money, they won't have the revenue to invest in new programmers, technologies, etc., to better their products. Look at how stringent Sonic Foundry is with their CD key's and software registrations. If they did not do this, everybody and their Momma would have their products for free, and R/D (research and development) would had died for the company years ago, and we WOULD NOT have the cool version of Sound Forge we have today, in fact, just think if all we had was that blasted "Sound Recorder" application that comes with your Windows operating system... editing, Looping all of that would be in the dark ages! Now, there has been times when I was tempted to get a cracked version of an app, just because the Demo was so limited, and I was not completly sure that piece of software would be right for me. Even in those extreme cases, I did eventually BUY the legal version, mainly because it was the right thing to do, and  because I like being able to get the legal updates !

Now, back to reality, is this sort of thing RIGHT. And if it is not, why post this in a thread, for a group that is not a "WAREZ" based group. If the FBI wanted to make an example of someone, and we got pinched for it, our hole News Thread could be in jeopardy !!! Have you guys THOUGHT about that ! Software piracy is not to be taken lightly, and when you post this stuff out in the open like this, the establishment thinks you are thumbin' your noses at it, and they will not take that lightly !

So, why do (we), do this. Piracy, steal, etc.? I have no idea.

----Original Message Follows----
From: Richard Zvonar
Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com, Samplestation@yahoogroups.com
CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: [Samplestation] TRADING SAMPLES CD
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:35:50 -0800
At 8:34 PM +0000 3/27/01, Devious D_MasterMixer wrote:
>I am curious ? Is this even legal ? After all that hallabaloo about
>Napster and electronic trading of media, can we sell, trade or even
>give away "software" ., even if we buy it ? For example, I have an
>old copy of Sonic Foundry Sound Forge 4.5 that I purchased. I
>recently purchased Sound Forge 5.0, now I no longer need 4.5, can I
>sell that ? Or trade it, if so what's the difference between that
>and trading on Napster (except that Napster has 1,000's of people
>trading 100,000's of files, and I have just 1 Sound Forge 4.5). Does
>the volume of the trade matter, or is it the principle of it all?
Selling, or even giving away, a copy of software is theft if you also
retain a copy for yourself. When you purchase a copy of software you
are not buying the software outright. You are paying for a license to
use the software.
Different software companies have different policies concerning such
licenses. Some are quite strict and consider it a breach of the
license if you even run the software on more than one computer, and
some companies even forbid the transfer of the license to another
party. Other companies are more lenient and it is relatively common
for transfer of a license to be authorized by the company. In this
case you would have to give up all use of the software yourself,
transfer your serial number and/or authorization code to the new
licensee, and in some cases the new user would pay a fee for the
transfer.
So in your specific case, if you bought Sound Forge 4.5 at full price
and then you also bought Sound Forge 5.0 a full price, you could
probably sell or give away the older version. But if you bought an
upgrade from Sound Forge 4.5 to 5.0 at a special upgrade price, then
your selling or giving away the older version is theft (or "piracy"
if you prefer that term).
During my first year or so of using the Mac I stole all the software
I had. I felt justified because I was poor and because I assumed that
the software companies were probably rich (and anyway, they were
probably bad people because they wanted money for their products). I
took great delight in being able to "crack" copy protection and make
copies of key disks. Then one day at the NAMM show I met someone I
knew who had just started a software company and had two very "kewl"
interactive MIDI programs for the Mac. I HAD to have them, and I
couldn't wait for someone to crack the copy protection. Besides, here
was somebody I actually knew and he was creating something really
great. I whipped out my newly-acquired credit card and bought both
programs on the spot.
These days I'm less poor than I was, and I have personal and
sometimes professional relationships with a lot of the people whose
software I use. I have legitimate paid-for licenses for all the
software I use. I recommend you do the same.
P.S. I'll be interested in what my friends at Steinberg, Cakewalk,
E-mu, Nemesys, eMagic, Spectrasonics, et al think about your "swap
lists."
--
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(818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com
(818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 17:20:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16159; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:18:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:18:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.163.54.7] From: "Denis Aldrich" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Drum machine set up for looping rack Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:17:37 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Mar 2001 22:17:41.0259 (UTC) FILETIME=[BD2AB5B0:01C0B70B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Jim, Yes, I understand that under one pattern storage location, left and right outputs from pads are selected. These left/right outputs are quantized the same with the same time signature of the pattern selected. Am I not correct that the patterns are not panned, but the pads are? With pads that can be panned individually full right and full left it is possible to construct a pattern for the left side and a pattern for the right. Still, you can have much different rythems going to the left and right sides. By fading from one side to the other, they will seem much different and _seem_ to be seperate rhythems. Granted, they are stored in the same pattern location. Lets say we set up a 4/3 (thats 3 bars) pattern at a location with all parts panned left. This would be 12 quarter notes long. Lets assign unused pads to the same sounds and pan them right. Now with the newly assigned pads play 3/4 time. Even though you have 4/3 selected for the pattern location only one side is really playing this 4/4 time, while the other is playing 3/4. Now if we faded between left and right outputs it would blend 4/4 to 3/4. Just trying to think outside the box, Jim. By definition in the manual you are very right. (except for I think the part about panning the patterns - as the pads are panned, not the patterns.) Denis From: "Jim Schaefer" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Drum machine set up for looping rack Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:48:41 -0600 I also own a DR5. It does not allow for seperate rhythms playing continuously on left and right sides. You can program (x) amount of measures of one pattern, then (x) amount of measures of another pattern and pan them respectively. - Jim Denis Aldrich wrote: > >Hello loopers, >In setting up my rack, I plan to use a sterio drum machine. A Dr-5 to be >specific. I am thinking of panning all drums either full right or left >within the drum machine. The outputs I plan to go into a crossfade pedal >and then into their respective channels on the mixer. > >With this setup I should be able to have a separate drum track on left and >right, but able to blend from one rythem to another and back again with >their own individual effect chained in. At the mixer the inputs can be >center panned back or have a LFO control the pan. Has anyone done anything >like this? Does it seem to anybody else that this could be a neat way to >blend rythem changes? The Dr-5 also has "fill to variation and fill to >original" options that would allow multipule "rythem pairs" to be used in >one song. Should I or shouldn't I, that is the question. :-) >Denis >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 17:39:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16812; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:37:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:37:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C0B71F.7C537F90.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters Reply-To: "mpeters@csi.com" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: AW: tricking sound editors and other forced randomizations Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 00:38:40 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 520050239610-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > you have to set your input type (in the open file requester) > to "raw"... recommendations for file types to load? I tried a number of file types (copied them to *.raw and imported them into cooledit) but most didn't sound very interesting - most turned out to be just a loud hiss or something. bitmaps had a little internal structure but not very interesting. = michael peters = electronic music & strange attractors = http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 17:41:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16986; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:38:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:38:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AC11497.AD44117C@ernieball.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:30:47 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Drum machine set up for looping rack References: <200103272131.QAA13800@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------90AC610BD7E3AED307E8E3B9" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------90AC610BD7E3AED307E8E3B9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I used to have a DR-5, too. Couldn't you set up a drum kit that had two identical (or different) sets of sounds, but with one set panned hard left and the other panned hard right? As long as the time signature was the same for both rhythms, they could both play at the same time. You can make a beat on one side while the other side is playing, and then crossfade it in. It's a great idea. I had to use two different drum machines to do this. Three, actually. :^) -Hans > > Subject: Re: Drum machine set up for looping rack > Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:48:41 -0600 > From: "Jim Schaefer" > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > I also own a DR5. It does not allow for seperate rhythms playing > continuously on left and right sides. You can program (x) amount of > measures of one pattern, then (x) amount of measures of another > pattern > and pan them respectively. > > > - Jim > > Denis Aldrich wrote: > > > > Hello loopers, > > In setting up my rack, I plan to use a sterio drum machine. A Dr-5 > to be > > specific. I am thinking of panning all drums either full right or > left > > within the drum machine. The outputs I plan to go into a crossfade > pedal > > and then into their respective channels on the mixer. > > > > With this setup I should be able to have a separate drum track on > left and > > right, but able to blend from one rythem to another and back again > with > > their own individual effect chained in. At the mixer the inputs can > be > > center panned back or have a LFO control the pan. Has anyone done > anything > > like this? Does it seem to anybody else that this could be a neat > way to > > blend rythem changes? The Dr-5 also has "fill to variation and fill > to > > original" options that would allow multipule "rythem pairs" to be > used in > > one song. Should I or shouldn't I, that is the question. :-) > > Denis > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > --------------90AC610BD7E3AED307E8E3B9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I used to have a DR-5, too.  Couldn't you set up a drum kit that had two identical (or different) sets of sounds, but with one set panned hard left and the other panned hard right?  As long as the time signature was the same for both rhythms, they could both play at the same time.  You can make a beat on one side while the other side is playing, and then crossfade it in.  It's a great idea.  I had to use two different drum machines to do this. Three, actually. :^)

-Hans

 
Subject: Re: Drum machine set up for looping rack
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:48:41 -0600
From: "Jim Schaefer" <jimsch@fullcompass.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 
I also own a DR5. It does not allow for seperate rhythms playing
continuously on left and right sides. You can program (x) amount of
measures of one pattern, then (x) amount of measures of another pattern
and pan them respectively.


             - Jim

Denis Aldrich wrote:
> 
> Hello loopers,
> In setting up my rack, I plan to use a sterio drum machine. A Dr-5 to be
> specific. I am thinking of panning all drums either full right or left
> within the drum machine.  The outputs I plan to go into a crossfade pedal
> and then into their respective channels on the mixer.
> 
> With this setup I should be able to have a separate drum track on left and
> right, but able to blend from one rythem to another and back again with
> their own individual effect chained in.  At the mixer the inputs can be
> center panned back or have a LFO control the pan. Has anyone done anything
> like this?  Does it seem to anybody else that this could be a neat way to
> blend rythem changes?  The Dr-5 also has "fill to variation and fill to
> original" options that would allow multipule "rythem pairs" to be used in
> one song.  Should I or shouldn't I, that is the question. :-)
> Denis
> _________________________________________________________________
> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
--------------90AC610BD7E3AED307E8E3B9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 17:55:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17389; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:53:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:53:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006a01c0b711$3bbddec0$6630b618@flint1.mi.home.com> From: "baseman" To: Subject: unsubsribe Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:57:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0067_01C0B6E7.529D1220" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0067_01C0B6E7.529D1220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe i don't need 62 e-mails a day ------=_NextPart_000_0067_01C0B6E7.529D1220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0067_01C0B6E7.529D1220-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 18:00:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18633; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:59:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:59:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010327145624.0223af28@mail.mindspring.com> X-Sender: sean_@mail.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:56:48 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Subject: Re: unsubsribe In-Reply-To: <006a01c0b711$3bbddec0$6630b618@flint1.mi.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com We'll be the judge of that. At 05:57 PM 3/27/2001 -0500, someone complained: >i don't need 62 e-mails a day From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 18:02:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18762; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:01:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:01:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.16.219.10] From: "Pete Mundt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: unsubsribe Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:59:58 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Mar 2001 22:59:59.0130 (UTC) FILETIME=[A5DB17A0:01C0B711] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com He was almost there!!!!! >From: "baseman" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: unsubsribe >Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:57:00 -0500 > >unsubscribe i don't need 62 e-mails a day _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 18:04:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18968; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:03:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:03:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c0b712$a7791ac0$a0b44442@austin.rr.com> From: "Jimmy George" To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010327145624.0223af28@mail.mindspring.com> Subject: Re: unsubsribe Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:07:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <0yFQZ.A.dmE.wvRw6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com do i hear 64??!? ----- Original Message ----- From: Sean To: Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 4:56 PM Subject: Re: unsubsribe > We'll be the judge of that. > > At 05:57 PM 3/27/2001 -0500, someone complained: > >i don't need 62 e-mails a day > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 18:11:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19364; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:09:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:09:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AC11C55.AFB17DFD@fullcompass.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:03:49 -0600 From: "Jim Schaefer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Drum machine set up for looping rack References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Your email read "seperate track" therefore being misleading. You need to think "out of the box". I understand what you are doing, thanks for clarifying. Denis Aldrich wrote: > > Dear Jim, > Yes, I understand that under one pattern storage location, left and right > outputs from pads are selected. These left/right outputs are quantized the > same with the same time signature of the pattern selected. > > Am I not correct that the patterns are not panned, but the pads are? > With pads that can be panned individually full right and full left it is > possible to construct a pattern for the left side and a pattern for the > right. > > Still, you can have much different rythems going to the left and right > sides. By fading from one side to the other, they will seem much different > and _seem_ to be seperate rhythems. Granted, they are stored in the same > pattern location. > > Lets say we set up a 4/3 (thats 3 bars) pattern at a location with all parts > panned left. This would be 12 quarter notes long. Lets assign unused pads to > the same sounds and pan them right. Now with the newly assigned pads play > 3/4 time. Even though you have 4/3 selected for the pattern location only > one side is really playing this 4/4 time, while the other is playing 3/4. > Now if we faded between left and right outputs it would blend 4/4 to 3/4. > > Just trying to think outside the box, Jim. By definition in the manual you > are very right. (except for I think the part about panning the patterns - as > the pads are panned, not the patterns.) > > Denis > > From: "Jim Schaefer" > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Drum machine set up for looping rack > Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:48:41 -0600 > > I also own a DR5. It does not allow for seperate rhythms playing > continuously on left and right sides. You can program (x) amount of > measures of one pattern, then (x) amount of measures of another pattern > and pan them respectively. > > - Jim > > Denis Aldrich wrote: > > > >Hello loopers, > >In setting up my rack, I plan to use a sterio drum machine. A Dr-5 to be > >specific. I am thinking of panning all drums either full right or left > >within the drum machine. The outputs I plan to go into a crossfade pedal > >and then into their respective channels on the mixer. > > > >With this setup I should be able to have a separate drum track on left and > >right, but able to blend from one rythem to another and back again with > >their own individual effect chained in. At the mixer the inputs can be > >center panned back or have a LFO control the pan. Has anyone done anything > >like this? Does it seem to anybody else that this could be a neat way to > >blend rythem changes? The Dr-5 also has "fill to variation and fill to > >original" options that would allow multipule "rythem pairs" to be used in > >one song. Should I or shouldn't I, that is the question. :-) > >Denis > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 18:11:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19373; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:09:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:09:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:59:19 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Heads up: Acid Pro 2.0 @ Best Buy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <4IMojB.A.EuE.A2Rw6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com According to this week's Best Buy ad, it's on sale for $149.99. That seems awfully low. Is 3.0 on the way and they're just dumping the soon-to-be-obsolete version or did Best Buy realize that this wasn't exactly a product that their standard customers would be interested in so they're clearing out their stock? -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 18:13:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19547; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:11:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:11:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: Drum machine set up for looping rack Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:16:36 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <002401c0b709$057f6e80$7bb387d8@cliff> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can't speak to the DR-5, but I do have a DR-770 and love it! It certainly seems to be fully functional for my needs, as well as being very intuitive and easy to use (especially in real time mode). Sounds are excellent, although I'm a little disappointed in the selection of cymbals in the pre-programmed stock drum kits. But hey, you can create your own drum kits and you have amazing depth in this area. Here's a tip: set up similar drum sounds in both the A/B pad banks, and then play your rhythms using the A/B pads (this will make sense if you get the unit). It adds a lot of depth. That, combined with the 'swing' feature, velocity sensitive pads, a full MIDI implementation and 'ambience' makes it about as good as a rhythm machine can be. The DR-770 offers 'original,' 'variation' and two fill-in patterns on each of these for a total of four related patterns in each group of patterns. There's 400 pre-built patterns to use, and it's very easy to put together a decent song with it in short order. To answer your specific question, however, no drum machine that I'm aware of will allow you to run separate patterns on L/R and fade back and forth between the two. If you want to do this, you'll need two DR-770s (or DR-5s). One other thing: run it in stereo and you'll find that each drum kit has a built-in stereo pan set up. It's not always the panning you want, but if you don't want to spend all day modifying things, it's a great way to get tracks down while concentrating on the creative elements of what you're writing. The first time I ran it in stereo, I was very pleasantly surprised! Quite simply, I NEVER run it in mono. There so much more that could be said about this unit. Let me just say that I recommend it highly and am very pleased with my purchase! One other note: I also bought a Roland Handsonic, thinking that with the larger pads, I could use it to replace the DR-770 for real time recording. No way. The Handsonic is great for percussion, but I had to pull the DR-770 out of the closet for drum work. It's that good. Kevin > I own a DR-5 and am over it- and unless you need the other tracks I would > reccomend you sell it- I borrowed a DR-770 recently- much better sounds, > more memory, roll/flam button, much better pads and sesitivity > levels, drum > panning etc- If only the DR-5 were upgradable... > > My $.02 > > Cliff > > > > I also own a DR5. It does not allow for seperate rhythms playing > > continuously on left and right sides. You can program (x) amount of > > measures of one pattern, then (x) amount of measures of another pattern > > and pan them respectively. > > > > > > - Jim > > > > Denis Aldrich wrote: > > > > > > Hello loopers, > > > In setting up my rack, I plan to use a sterio drum machine. A > Dr-5 to be > > > specific. I am thinking of panning all drums either full right or left > > > within the drum machine. The outputs I plan to go into a crossfade > pedal > > > and then into their respective channels on the mixer. > > > > > > With this setup I should be able to have a separate drum track on left > and > > > right, but able to blend from one rythem to another and back > again with > > > their own individual effect chained in. At the mixer the > inputs can be > > > center panned back or have a LFO control the pan. Has anyone done > anything > > > like this? Does it seem to anybody else that this could be a neat way > to > > > blend rythem changes? The Dr-5 also has "fill to variation > and fill to > > > original" options that would allow multipule "rythem pairs" to be used > in > > > one song. Should I or shouldn't I, that is the question. :-) > > > Denis > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 18:20:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19743; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:15:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:15:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: tricking sound editors and other forced randomizations Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 23:13:46 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Mar 2001 23:13:46.0730 (UTC) FILETIME=[9324D4A0:01C0B713] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've always thought modem sounds were pretty cool and rhythmical. I wonder if you could get some cool sounds by sending random files into a modem waveform generator? Has anyone ever tried to create files that caused a modem to play songs, etc? bye- jon > > you have to set your input type (in the open file requester) > > to "raw"... > > >recommendations for file types to load? I tried a number of file types >(copied them to *.raw and imported them into cooledit) but most didn't >sound very interesting - most turned out to be just a loud hiss or >something. bitmaps had a little internal structure but not very >interesting. > > > >= michael peters >= electronic music & strange attractors >= http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 18:32:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20180; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:30:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:30:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.16.219.10] From: "Pete Mundt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Heads up: Acid Pro 2.0 @ Best Buy Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:29:17 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Mar 2001 23:29:17.0317 (UTC) FILETIME=[BDD12350:01C0B715] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd say they are clearing stock, I noticed a couple weeks they were blowing out hard drives, ram, etc. I think they're going to a more bare bones technology dept. >From: Adam Levin >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Heads up: Acid Pro 2.0 @ Best Buy >Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:59:19 -0500 (EST) > >According to this week's Best Buy ad, it's on sale for $149.99. > >That seems awfully low. Is 3.0 on the way and they're just dumping the >soon-to-be-obsolete version or did Best Buy realize that this wasn't >exactly a product that their standard customers would be interested in so >they're clearing out their stock? > >-Adam > >--- > "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, > out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one > becomes a Hearer." > - Chandrakirti > > T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t > http://www.darkaether.net/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 18:34:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20328; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:33:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:33:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.126.108] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Devious D_MasterMixer" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Heads up: Acid Pro 2.0 @ Best Buy Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 23:31:58 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Mar 2001 23:31:58.0806 (UTC) FILETIME=[1E126760:01C0B716] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

Yea, that price is a GOOD One !!!! Yea, I think the Suits at Best Buy figured out, all too late that this a pricey piece of Software...(they have it for 199.00, but they will sell it cheaper, per their site's add). So get it. Just think I paid 299.99 back in 1998 for Acid 1.0, now they have it for half that price.... !!!! I see why people pirate this stuff !

----Original Message Follows----
From: Adam Levin
Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Heads up: Acid Pro 2.0 @ Best Buy
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:59:19 -0500 (EST)
According to this week's Best Buy ad, it's on sale for $149.99.
That seems awfully low. Is 3.0 on the way and they're just dumping the
soon-to-be-obsolete version or did Best Buy realize that this wasn't
exactly a product that their standard customers would be interested in so
they're clearing out their stock?
-Adam
---
"...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue,
out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one
becomes a Hearer."
- Chandrakirti
T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t
http://www.darkaether.net/

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 18:40:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20504; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:37:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:37:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AC12266.E060E408@ernieball.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:29:42 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Sound Forge References: <200103272302.SAA18899@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Speaking of software, I recently got a mailer from Sonic Foundry offering Sound Forge 5.0 for $99 until the 31st of March. Has anyone here tried the new version yet? Opinions? I'm using Wavelab now, in case anyone can offer a comparison. -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 18:55:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20812; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:51:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:51:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.126.108] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Devious D_MasterMixer" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sound Forge Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 23:50:36 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Mar 2001 23:50:36.0550 (UTC) FILETIME=[B84C9A60:01C0B718] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com



I use both ! I must admit that I use Sound Forge more, because of it's ease of use, and the amount of file types it handles. Wavelab is like my Cool Edit Pro mixed with sprinkles from Sound Forge.

I find Sound Forge easier to use, it interfaces nicely with my other apps (ACID 2.0, and Vegas Video 2.0), and the plugins are sweet, even though waveLab can use my Direct Plugins, the WaveLab interface is archaic and difficult to use...

----Original Message Follows----
From: Hans Lindauer
Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Sound Forge
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:29:42 -0800
Speaking of software, I recently got a mailer from Sonic Foundry
offering Sound Forge 5.0 for $99 until the 31st of March. Has anyone
here tried the new version yet? Opinions? I'm using Wavelab now, in
case anyone can offer a comparison.
-Hans

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------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C0B6F8.B20E4C40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 20:02:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25287; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 20:01:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 20:01:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010327195914.007e1380@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 19:59:14 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <001601c0b722$9d3f0d20$6630b618@flint1.mi.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:01 PM 3/27/01 -0500, you wrote: > unsubscribe To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the subject and body, and no sig files or anything else, to: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you are on the digest version of Looper's Delight, send your unsubscribe request to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com Don't send your unsubscribe message to the list, or people will make fun of you and you will feel like a dork. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 20:15:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25708; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 20:11:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 20:11:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002801c0b723$4261add0$0600a8c0@mlameyer02> From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20010327195914.007e1380@pop.ici.net> Subject: OT: unsubscribe Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 20:06:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oooo! And send the message plain ascii text, not html! Good luck baseman! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 7:59 PM Subject: Re: unsubscribe > At 08:01 PM 3/27/01 -0500, you wrote: > > unsubscribe > > > To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the subject > and body, and no sig files or anything else, to: > > Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > If you are on the digest version of Looper's Delight, send your unsubscribe > request to: > > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com > > > Don't send your unsubscribe message to the list, or people will make fun of > you and you will feel like a dork. > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 20:17:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25645; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 20:10:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 20:10:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AC139EC.BD763066@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 20:10:04 -0500 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mp3.com streaming References: <3AC05F3C.5D3546C1@bellsouth.net> <000301c0b6d9$505e7520$64b4a8c0@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks for that, I just got dsl, I'll give it a try. my xoom site , exuse me nbci do not support mp3s but i,m looking for a "free" site that does. Any suggestions? jd pls? phalen orion wrote: > It's simpler than that... all you have to do is link to an m3u or pls file > that contains the http:// addresses of mp3s, and have the bandwidth to > stream them. > > Best, > Jonathan > aka phalen180 > www.infin8ty.com > > << try here, its what they use. > cheers jd > http://shoutcast.com/ > > David Myers wrote: > > > As long as there's all this info about mp3.com, I'd like to see if anyone > > can answer this. Their streaming is quite cool, not RealAudio, but it > calls > > up my SoundJam player. I wish I could provide this kind of streaming of > > mp3s on my site; Quicktime is not nearly as fluid. Anyone know? > > > > David Lee Myers > > http://www.pulsewidth.com >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 22:04:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31186; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:02:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:02:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.6.65.226] From: "John Dogherty" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-20 vs DL-4 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:01:32 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Mar 2001 03:01:32.0794 (UTC) FILETIME=[64C0B5A0:01C0B733] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

What about the loop memory and quantize functions?  Are they just gimmicks with no real quality sound to support their claims or what... It seems like the DL4 does have much more diversity of delay and creativity, but I figured I'd still look in to the RC-20.  No one has really played with it yet that I know.

 

Any input on this new RC-20 loop station is greatly appreciated,

jhn

>From: "Paolo Valladolid"
>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>Subject: RC-20 vs DL-4
>Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:43:53 -0500
>
>
>>I saw the RC-20 demoed at NAMM as well and I'd agree. I'd rather
>>have the
>>DL-4 any day. Even if the RC-20 were *cheaper*, rather than a tad
>>bit more
>>expensive.
>>Now, if it were a $50 pedal, I might reconsider.
>Because of sound quality? Because of usability?...
>
>Roberto
>
>No, because $50 for a looper pedal is a damn good deal!
>
>Paolo
>
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 22:21:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31874; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:19:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:19:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001401c0b737$637e9be0$6401a8c0@bIz> From: "Jon" To: References: <200103272302.SAA18899@hemlock.violacea.com> <3AC12266.E060E408@ernieball.com> Subject: Re: Sound Forge Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 19:30:07 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd would recomend Sound Forge to anyone who needs to edit audio, it's a great program. But, if you are happy with wavelab, there isn't any reason to switch. The biggest additions to the new version is 24/96 support, and the bundling of Acoustic Mirror and XFX1,2,3 with it. For anyone who had obtained those already, there isn't all that much to get excited about in terms of new features. The 24/96 support is however a >really< good thing. Before, you were limited to 16 bit files, which meant that by the time you had finished mastering, your audio had been dithered to death. Now, you can upsample first and lose nothing. bIz ----- Original Message ----- From: Hans Lindauer To: Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 3:29 PM Subject: Sound Forge > Speaking of software, I recently got a mailer from Sonic Foundry > offering Sound Forge 5.0 for $99 until the 31st of March. Has anyone > here tried the new version yet? Opinions? I'm using Wavelab now, in > case anyone can offer a comparison. > > -Hans > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 22:45:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA32767; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:42:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:42:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010327193246.0224fe18@mail.mindspring.com> X-Sender: sean_@mail.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 19:41:14 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Subject: Re: PMC10 Q's In-Reply-To: References: <005001c0b310$c28ad160$bd141d3f@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You can get a 5 to 7 pin MIDI cable from Rocktron (http://www.rocktron.com/store/index.html) and then get some adaptaplugs from Radio Shack to hook up the power plug on the 5 pin end into the PMC10 - assuming you have something that works with the 7 pin end (like a Triaxis or some Rocktron equipment). The cable is sold for providing phantom power to Rocktron equipment that accept 7 pins IN - so you have to get the adapters to make it work in the other direction. At 05:03 PM 3/22/2001 -0600, Steve wrote: >Does anyone know if the PMC10 can be modified to use phantom power (for >example on pins 2 & 4?)? If so, how? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 00:26:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA04811; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 00:25:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 00:25:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: mp3.com streaming Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:30:24 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000301c0b6d9$505e7520$64b4a8c0@mindspring.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <5D4rM.A.BJB.mWXw6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What's the difference between a m3u file and an mp3 file? Thanks, Kevin > It's simpler than that... all you have to do is link to an m3u or pls file > that contains the http:// addresses of mp3s, and have the bandwidth to > stream them. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 00:26:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA04630; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 00:23:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 00:23:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: Sound Forge and VEGAS! Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:28:38 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <001401c0b737$637e9be0$6401a8c0@bIz> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I recommend Sound Forge also. I visited their website today (thanks for the heads-up, Hans), and ordered the upgrade that is available on their site as well. Like biz, I was excited about the 24/96 support - very useful. But I was also excited about Vegas (the lite version ships with Sound Forge). This seems to be a good multitrack program. I'm tempted to upgrade to the full version after I get the LE serial number with Sound Forge. But let me ask because I don't know much about this kind of software... do you any of you use Vegas? Like it? Hate it? Is there anything better out there? I'm looking for a very capable full-featured program, and I'm on a PC (although I have an iMac too if that's the platform of choice for music work and the iMac has enough juice to run those apps). What say all you good folks? Kevin > The biggest additions to the new version is 24/96 support, and > the bundling > of Acoustic Mirror and XFX1,2,3 with it. For anyone who had obtained those > already, there isn't all that much to get excited about in terms of new > features. > > > Speaking of software, I recently got a mailer from Sonic Foundry > > offering Sound Forge 5.0 for $99 until the 31st of March. Has anyone > > here tried the new version yet? Opinions? I'm using Wavelab now, in > > case anyone can offer a comparison. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 00:46:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05716; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 00:44:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 00:44:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c0b749$68ba2860$64b4a8c0@mindspring.com> From: "phalen orion" To: References: Subject: Re: mp3.com streaming Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:39:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com An m3u file is a list of mp3 files (could be a list of one) used by a player to determine which files to play (a playlist file). Jonathan << What's the difference between a m3u file and an mp3 file? Thanks, Kevin >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 00:53:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA06073; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 00:51:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 00:51:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: mp3.com streaming Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:56:31 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000701c0b749$68ba2860$64b4a8c0@mindspring.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is it a simple text file then? How are they created and formatted? Can you point me to any resources? Thanks again, Kevin > -----Original Message----- > From: phalen orion [mailto:phalen180@infin8ty.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 9:39 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: mp3.com streaming > > > An m3u file is a list of mp3 files (could be a list of one) used > by a player > to determine which files to play (a playlist file). > > Jonathan > > << What's the difference between a m3u file and an mp3 file? > > Thanks, > Kevin >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 00:56:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA06319; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 00:53:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 00:53:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "omjn" To: Subject: RE: Sound Forge and VEGAS! Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 13:52:23 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi I haven't used vegas, but I do know that if you are after a purely audio multitracker the SAW range comes highly recommended by its fiercely devoted user group. It doesn't get much mainstream press as the company (IQS) has a slightly anti-industry tilt. Go check out http://www.pcrecording.com/, they have a bunch of reviews of hardware and software that is usefull. Michael -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Mulvihill [mailto:kmulvihill@mediaone.net] Sent: Wednesday, 28 March 2001 1:29 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Sound Forge and VEGAS! I recommend Sound Forge also. I visited their website today (thanks for the heads-up, Hans), and ordered the upgrade that is available on their site as well. Like biz, I was excited about the 24/96 support - very useful. But I was also excited about Vegas (the lite version ships with Sound Forge). This seems to be a good multitrack program. I'm tempted to upgrade to the full version after I get the LE serial number with Sound Forge. But let me ask because I don't know much about this kind of software... do you any of you use Vegas? Like it? Hate it? Is there anything better out there? I'm looking for a very capable full-featured program, and I'm on a PC (although I have an iMac too if that's the platform of choice for music work and the iMac has enough juice to run those apps). What say all you good folks? Kevin > The biggest additions to the new version is 24/96 support, and > the bundling > of Acoustic Mirror and XFX1,2,3 with it. For anyone who had obtained those > already, there isn't all that much to get excited about in terms of new > features. > > > Speaking of software, I recently got a mailer from Sonic Foundry > > offering Sound Forge 5.0 for $99 until the 31st of March. Has anyone > > here tried the new version yet? Opinions? I'm using Wavelab now, in > > case anyone can offer a comparison. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 01:00:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA07871; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 00:59:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 00:59:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c0b70a$0f541ae0$c490fc3f@user> From: "aurlite" To: Subject: Dump from plexpro Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:05:37 -0500 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0B6E0.2515F760" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <87BIlB.A.3oB.S2Xw6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0B6E0.2515F760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello, looking for advice on the best way to save loops from ekoplexpro. what = is the best way to go. thanks jim =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0B6E0.2515F760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hello,
looking for advice on the best way to save loops = from=20 ekoplexpro. what is the best way to go.
thanks
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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0B6E0.2515F760-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 01:06:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA08294; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:05:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:05:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.120.90] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Devious D_MasterMixer" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Sound Forge and VEGAS! Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 06:04:06 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Mar 2001 06:04:07.0276 (UTC) FILETIME=[E62202C0:01C0B74C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

Yea, Sound Forge is the Shiznit ! I found that the Vegas Lyte was TOO lite for my needs, so I Opted to get The Vegas Audio 2.0. I do a lot of remixing, and editing so I needed a STRONGER Multitrack application than what was given.

I just love Sound Forge for it's OLE drage and drop capabilities. For example, I was doing a remix, and I had a sample that I wanted drop into the mix, but with a 3 hdd's and over 8 gigs of MP3's, wav samples, I could not find that sample for the life of me. I did a search using WinMe file search, I located the errant file, and dragged it from my search results, right into the Sound Forge work area ! It was like magic ! I used to use Cool Edit Pro 1.2a, but the interface was too clunky, and unless you KNOW where all your files are at, you can't drag and drop things in. Oh, another thing, with Vegas, you can mix MP3's with .wav's, with little difficulties (I found that Vegas will shut down, if the bit rates are really flakey between MP3 and wav file... there might be a patch for that in the works though).

----Original Message Follows----
From: "Kevin Mulvihill"
Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
To:
Subject: RE: Sound Forge and VEGAS!
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:28:38 -0800
I recommend Sound Forge also. I visited their website today (thanks for the
heads-up, Hans), and ordered the upgrade that is available on their site as
well.
Like biz, I was excited about the 24/96 support - very useful. But I was
also excited about Vegas (the lite version ships with Sound Forge). This
seems to be a good multitrack program. I'm tempted to upgrade to the full
version after I get the LE serial number with Sound Forge.
But let me ask because I don't know much about this kind of software... do
you any of you use Vegas? Like it? Hate it? Is there anything better out
there? I'm looking for a very capable full-featured program, and I'm on a PC
(although I have an iMac too if that's the platform of choice for music work
and the iMac has enough juice to run those apps).
What say all you good folks?
Kevin
> The biggest additions to the new version is 24/96 support, and
> the bundling
> of Acoustic Mirror and XFX1,2,3 with it. For anyone who had obtained those
> already, there isn't all that much to get excited about in terms of new
> features.
>
> > Speaking of software, I recently got a mailer from Sonic Foundry
> > offering Sound Forge 5.0 for $99 until the 31st of March. Has anyone
> > here tried the new version yet? Opinions? I'm using Wavelab now, in
> > case anyone can offer a comparison.

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 01:10:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA08715; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:09:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:09:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.120.90] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Devious D_MasterMixer" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Sound Forge and VEGAS! Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 06:08:23 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Mar 2001 06:08:24.0111 (UTC) FILETIME=[7F37EBF0:01C0B74D] Resent-Message-ID: <9lQP6C.A.LGC.3_Xw6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

SAW is OK, it's what I used in College, during my College Radio days. It's the first thing they give you to work with, when it comes to Multitrack for PC's, and the interface was designed for Win95 users in mind..(the feel is so Win 3.1 !)

It's not too flexible, but it is stable as heck ! (I editted the real thought). But it's hard to find, and the plugin's are even harder... stick with Sound Forge, or Vegas, or even Cool Edit Pro 1.2a(not 2000).

----Original Message Follows----
From: "omjn"
Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
To:
Subject: RE: Sound Forge and VEGAS!
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 13:52:23 +0800
hi
I haven't used vegas, but I do know that if you are after a purely audio
multitracker the SAW range comes highly recommended by its fiercely devoted
user group. It doesn't get much mainstream press as the company (IQS) has a
slightly anti-industry tilt. Go check out http://www.pcrecording.com/, they
have a bunch of reviews of hardware and software that is usefull.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Mulvihill [mailto:kmulvihill@mediaone.net]
Sent: Wednesday, 28 March 2001 1:29 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Sound Forge and VEGAS!
I recommend Sound Forge also. I visited their website today (thanks for the
heads-up, Hans), and ordered the upgrade that is available on their site as
well.
Like biz, I was excited about the 24/96 support - very useful. But I was
also excited about Vegas (the lite version ships with Sound Forge). This
seems to be a good multitrack program. I'm tempted to upgrade to the full
version after I get the LE serial number with Sound Forge.
But let me ask because I don't know much about this kind of software... do
you any of you use Vegas? Like it? Hate it? Is there anything better out
there? I'm looking for a very capable full-featured program, and I'm on a PC
(although I have an iMac too if that's the platform of choice for music work
and the iMac has enough juice to run those apps).
What say all you good folks?
Kevin
> The biggest additions to the new version is 24/96 support, and
> the bundling
> of Acoustic Mirror and XFX1,2,3 with it. For anyone who had obtained those
> already, there isn't all that much to get excited about in terms of new
> features.
>
> > Speaking of software, I recently got a mailer from Sonic Foundry
> > offering Sound Forge 5.0 for $99 until the 31st of March. Has anyone
> > here tried the new version yet? Opinions? I'm using Wavelab now, in
> > case anyone can offer a comparison.

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 01:27:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA09326; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:25:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:25:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "omjn" To: "Loopers-Delight" , Subject: RE: Sound Forge and VEGAS! Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:24:46 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C0B792.D6FBAC60" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C0B792.D6FBAC60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi SAW may have grown up a little since you last used it. The SAWStudio edition has a very proffessional feel and I think all versions now take both VST and directx plugins as well as the the proprietary SAW plugins. N e way, I don't want to start a multitracker flame thread - not really the place for it. I'll just to say look around and find what you are comfortable with using. cheers Michael -----Original Message----- From: Devious D_MasterMixer [mailto:dj_devious_d@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 28 March 2001 6:08 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Sound Forge and VEGAS! SAW is OK, it's what I used in College, during my College Radio days. It's the first thing they give you to work with, when it comes to Multitrack for PC's, and the interface was designed for Win95 users in mind..(the feel is so Win 3.1 !) It's not too flexible, but it is stable as heck ! (I editted the real thought). But it's hard to find, and the plugin's are even harder... stick with Sound Forge, or Vegas, or even Cool Edit Pro 1.2a(not 2000). ----Original Message Follows---- From: "omjn" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Subject: RE: Sound Forge and VEGAS! Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 13:52:23 +0800 hi I haven't used vegas, but I do know that if you are after a purely audio multitracker the SAW range comes highly recommended by its fiercely devoted user group. It doesn't get much mainstream press as the company (IQS) has a slightly anti-industry tilt. Go check out http://www.pcrecording.com/, they have a bunch of reviews of hardware and software that is usefull. Michael -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Mulvihill [mailto:kmulvihill@mediaone.net] Sent: Wednesday, 28 March 2001 1:29 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Sound Forge and VEGAS! I recommend Sound Forge also. I visited their website today (thanks for the heads-up, Hans), and ordered the upgrade that is available on their site as well. Like biz, I was excited about the 24/96 support - very useful. But I was also excited about Vegas (the lite version ships with Sound Forge). This seems to be a good multitrack program. I'm tempted to upgrade to the full version after I get the LE serial number with Sound Forge. But let me ask because I don't know much about this kind of software... do you any of you use Vegas? Like it? Hate it? Is there anything better out there? I'm looking for a very capable full-featured program, and I'm on a PC (although I have an iMac too if that's the platform of choice for music work and the iMac has enough juice to run those apps). What say all you good folks? Kevin > The biggest additions to the new version is 24/96 support, and > the bundling > of Acoustic Mirror and XFX1,2,3 with it. For anyone who had obtained those > already, there isn't all that much to get excited about in terms of new > features. > > > Speaking of software, I recently got a mailer from Sonic Foundry > > offering Sound Forge 5.0 for $99 until the 31st of March. Has anyone > > here tried the new version yet? Opinions? I'm using Wavelab now, in > > case anyone can offer a comparison. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C0B792.D6FBAC60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi
SAW may have grown up a little since you = last used=20 it.  The SAWStudio edition has a very proffessional feel and I = think=20 all versions now take both VST and directx plugins as well as the the=20 proprietary SAW plugins.  N e way, I don't want to start a = multitracker=20 flame thread - not really the place for it.  I'll just to say = look=20 around and find what you are comfortable with using.
cheers
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: Devious = D_MasterMixer=20 [mailto:dj_devious_d@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 28 March = 2001=20 6:08 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 RE: Sound Forge and VEGAS!

SAW is OK, it's what I used in College, during my College Radio = days. It's=20 the first thing they give you to work with, when it comes to = Multitrack for=20 PC's, and the interface was designed for Win95 users in mind..(the = feel is so=20 Win 3.1 !)

It's not too flexible, but it is stable as heck ! (I editted the = real=20 thought). But it's hard to find, and the plugin's are even harder... = stick=20 with Sound Forge, or Vegas, or even Cool Edit Pro 1.2a(not=20 2000).

----Original Message Follows----=20
From: "omjn"
Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
To:
Subject: RE: Sound Forge and VEGAS!=20
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 13:52:23 +0800=20
hi=20
I haven't used vegas, but I do know that if you are after a = purely=20 audio=20
multitracker the SAW range comes highly recommended by its = fiercely=20 devoted=20
user group. It doesn't get much mainstream press as the = company=20 (IQS) has a=20
slightly anti-industry tilt. Go check out=20 http://www.pcrecording.com/, they=20
have a bunch of reviews of hardware and software that is = usefull.=20
Michael=20
-----Original Message-----=20
From: Kevin Mulvihill [mailto:kmulvihill@mediaone.net]=20
Sent: Wednesday, 28 March 2001 1:29 PM=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
Subject: RE: Sound Forge and VEGAS!=20
I recommend Sound Forge also. I visited their website today = (thanks=20 for the=20
heads-up, Hans), and ordered the upgrade that is available = on their=20 site as=20
well.=20
Like biz, I was excited about the 24/96 support - very = useful. But=20 I was=20
also excited about Vegas (the lite version ships with Sound = Forge).=20 This=20
seems to be a good multitrack program. I'm tempted to = upgrade to=20 the full=20
version after I get the LE serial number with Sound Forge.=20
But let me ask because I don't know much about this kind of = software... do=20
you any of you use Vegas? Like it? Hate it? Is there = anything=20 better out=20
there? I'm looking for a very capable full-featured = program, and=20 I'm on a PC=20
(although I have an iMac too if that's the platform of = choice for=20 music work=20
and the iMac has enough juice to run those apps).=20
What say all you good folks?=20
Kevin=20
> The biggest additions to the new version is 24/96 = support, and=20
> the bundling=20
> of Acoustic Mirror and XFX1,2,3 with it. For anyone = who had=20 obtained those=20
> already, there isn't all that much to get excited = about in=20 terms of new=20
> features.=20
>=20
> > Speaking of software, I recently got a mailer = from Sonic=20 Foundry=20
> > offering Sound Forge 5.0 for $99 until the 31st = of March.=20 Has anyone=20
> > here tried the new version yet? Opinions? I'm = using=20 Wavelab now, in=20
> > case anyone can offer a comparison.=20

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------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C0B792.D6FBAC60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 01:45:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA09718; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:42:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:42:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "omjn" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: mp3 streaming and pc looping Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:41:28 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi spose I should say a little about myself so I'm not such a stranger. I'm quite interested in loops from a compositional viewpoint. I Would like to get into the performance side of things, but I'm a poor student so most of my dallies have been with record loops, tape loops and two second delays. Plus being in Australia, both our dollar and distance neither make the purchase of a decent looping device any easier! N e way, I mostly lurk here for the good discussions of loop oriented gear, music and techniques, and have done so since '99. On the topic, tho, you might want to check out http://www.hitsquad.com/smm and check under the respective operating systems for streaming software as most platforms have some sort of Shoutcast equivalent. Secondly, does anyone out there with PC experience know of the feasibility of writing dedicated phrase sampling live looping software for PC hardware? Or is the latency introduced by our modern GUI's too much to work with, no matter how sharp your algorithms? all the best Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 02:55:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA12299; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 02:54:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 02:54:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002c01c0b75b$83e36a40$64b4a8c0@mindspring.com> From: "phalen orion" To: References: Subject: Re: mp3.com streaming Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 23:48:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, the m3u file format is text-based. An example m3u from an mp3.com radio station that I used to be on before I pulled my songs (Sable Scalpel): ----------start of file---------- http://downloads.mp3.com/AAIBQqOCEQBBa0MKAgGAwARub3JtUAUAAABSQRwCAFEKAAAAUyQ AAABUAQAAAEMpl8E6SflZy.RIe6vacwIKhQr84Q--/heaven_s_open_wide_2000.mp3 http://downloads.mp3.com/AAIBQt1SEgBBa0MKAgGAwARub3JtUAUAAABSQRwCAFEKAAAAUyQ AAABUAgAAAEMpl8E6Hj1PbT_c3t9n6WD4Z4TeqQ--/kikin__it.mp3 http://downloads.mp3.com/AAIBQpCJEQBBa0MKAgGAwARub3JtUAUAAABSQRwCAFEKAAAAUyQ AAABUAwAAAEMpl8E6WgQN2L6YGH.yBYU2d_Jxcw--/bloodworth.mp3 http://downloads.mp3.com/AAIBQvWXEQBBa0MKAgGAwARub3JtUAUAAABSQRwCAFEKAAAAUyQ AAABUBAAAAEMpl8E6kOoZlqWHbTjUkrDwhxtghA--/98_rock_s_noise_in_the_bas.mp3 -------- file continues--------- As you can see, it can be as simple as a list of mp3 file addresses. You can also add explanation, in which case, you want to write the header (#EXTM3U) and then the description line for each track (#EXTINF: , ) So you get: #EXTM3U #EXTINF: -1, My First Track http://mydomain.com/myfirsttrack.mp3 #EXTINF: -1, My Second Track http://otherdomain.com/othertrack.mp3 Thank you for attending M3U 101. Best, Jonathan << Is it a simple text file then? How are they created and formatted? Can you point me to any resources? Thanks again, Kevin >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 07:10:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA21413; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 07:08:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 07:08:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [62.104.212.93] From: "Robert Eberwein" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: trading samples Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:07:01 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Mar 2001 12:07:01.0653 (UTC) FILETIME=[98AC4450:01C0B77F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd like to suggest that, righteous indignation aside, all copy write laws will be coming into question soon. Ever since Rodin decided that he had the *right* to *design* a statue, have his students sculpt and build it, and himself keep all profits and rights, there has been an exaggerated acceptance of what deserves protection. Why people buy *official* prints of etchings or photographs [*#5 of 235*]I have never understood. The idea that the *artist* has only allowed 235 to be made- and shut the negative away, is about as bogus a notion as has been conceived. Surely, in the end, only lawyers and galleries profit. As an actor [ex] I've been busted many times for not paying royalties to dead playwrights, law firms and publishers that *bought the rights* to Shakespeare or Ionesco. How did they GET this *right*? Publishing is one thing. Hording and scalping is another. I don't care what happens to Napster. Clearly they are pirates and are getting rich encouraging an irreverent, anarchistic mentality [which they themselves don't have], but, the fact is, ever since photography, LAWYERS have devised methods to increase profits for middlemen that have NOTHING to do with the Creation [Nike or M. Jackson for Beatle songs, for instance]-- and nothing in my code of ethics tells me that I can not give my cakewalk discs to my drummer. Hearing people call that *theft* gets my goat. I sincerely doubt that they have thought it through any further than I have. Less, in fact. I can paint/draw/photograph as many copies of the Mona Lisa as I want and I will never have what DaVinci had. With digital music that has changed. I can have exactly what was created in the studio. Any attempt to change this fact [same goes with intellectual property rights for software] is bogus. They are bullshitting us. Once I buy Cakewalk it's mine. Once I play a new riff in public, it's public. Once someone combines oil colors together in a particular way, anyone is invited to try to duplicate it. In the past this was limited by imagination and talent. Photography and *Digital* has changed all that, but morality and reality has not changed. Ideas come into existence. They NEVER belonged to anyone. And I've BEEN sampled against my will, so don't even go there. I want to maximize my profit as much as anyone, but ideas *emerge*. Very few real artists think they *invented* their best stuff. Just lawyers and academics. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 07:25:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA22109; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 07:24:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 07:24:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200103281223.GAA16099@waste.org> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 06:23:06 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v387) From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.387) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Mac Audio Multitrack + MP3 Streaming Resent-Message-ID: <83hMVC.A.LXF.Dfdw6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Someone mentioned they had an iMac and wanted audio solutions.... One possibility for multitrack audio editing would be the program Bias Deck (see http://www.bias-inc.com) - they also have an excellent two track editor called Peak. Both are excellent apps and simply work. Deck can handle MIDI playback but if you want a full-blown sequencer you might look at both Cubase and Logic Audio. They also have been around for a while and work very well. For MP3 encoding check out SoundJam MP by Casady and Greene (at www.soundjam.com) for the fastest encoder I've seen anywhere, bar none. Soundjam is optimized to work with the G4 velocity engine so if you have a G4 it positively sizzles. As far as MP3 streaming, both SoundJam and Apple Computer's iTunes can utilize an Icecast server, but some folks just don't want to deal with that kind of hassle. But one of the coolest new apps I've found is Maliasoft's MP3 Streamer which allows you to place a series of MP3 files in a directory and if you have a broadband connection, simply stream out on your local net or the internet. A very cool app. He recently ported the application to the new OS X system. See www.maliasoft.com for info on that one. Any more info needed? Let me know. -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 07:35:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA22580; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 07:34:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 07:34:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Lee Barnes" To: Subject: RE: Weird Question Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 07:34:50 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20010326183210.007ed360@mail.airmail.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <5iXDxD.A.seF.hodw6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not quite what you were looking for, but something similar with vocals; check out Sheila Chandra on the Realworld label... -----Original Message----- From: Michael Clark [mailto:mcl451@airmail.net] Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 07:32 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Weird Question Hi, I was eating in a 'Hinduish" style restaurant recently. They were playing a piece of music that was sort of a combination of Asian and Middle Eastern in scale and instrumentation. The melody flowed nicely over the top of what was essentially a one chord loop with various instruments playing the notes (and extended notes) of the chord. Nice melody on top. I asked the manager who the group/artist was. She didn't know. The music was on a tape made by a friend of the owner. I know this a real long shot, but I wonder if anyone might have an idea of a group or artist who plays this style of music? Middle Eastern scales with looping chordal background. The piece was contemporary sounding. Sort of like a B-Tribe from the Middle East. Thanks! Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 08:52:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA25240; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 08:49:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 08:49:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 08:48:01 -0500 From: Floyd Miller Message-Id: <200103281348.IAA21925@portal.studiodust.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Dump from plexpro Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "aurlite" wrote: > X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.98d > X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain > > hello, > looking for advice on the best way to save loops from ekoplexpro. what is the > best way to go. > thanks > jim > Unles you want to wait and wait for a midi sample dump, the best thing is to record the audio, either into a DAT recorder or a computer with a decent A/D converter (sound card). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 10:02:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29039; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:00:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:00:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: mp3.com streaming Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 07:05:01 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <002c01c0b75b$83e36a40$64b4a8c0@mindspring.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <3cMd_B.A.EFH.Oxfw6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the all the detailed info, Jonathan! That's what I wanted. Kevin > -----Original Message----- > From: phalen orion [mailto:phalen180@infin8ty.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 11:49 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: mp3.com streaming > > > Yes, the m3u file format is text-based. > > An example m3u from an mp3.com radio station that I used to be on before I > pulled my songs (Sable Scalpel): > > ----------start of file---------- > http://downloads.mp3.com/AAIBQqOCEQBBa0MKAgGAwARub3JtUAUAAABSQRwCA FEKAAAAUyQ AAABUAQAAAEMpl8E6SflZy.RIe6vacwIKhQr84Q--/heaven_s_open_wide_2000.mp3 http://downloads.mp3.com/AAIBQt1SEgBBa0MKAgGAwARub3JtUAUAAABSQRwCAFEKAAAAUyQ AAABUAgAAAEMpl8E6Hj1PbT_c3t9n6WD4Z4TeqQ--/kikin__it.mp3 http://downloads.mp3.com/AAIBQpCJEQBBa0MKAgGAwARub3JtUAUAAABSQRwCAFEKAAAAUyQ AAABUAwAAAEMpl8E6WgQN2L6YGH.yBYU2d_Jxcw--/bloodworth.mp3 http://downloads.mp3.com/AAIBQvWXEQBBa0MKAgGAwARub3JtUAUAAABSQRwCAFEKAAAAUyQ AAABUBAAAAEMpl8E6kOoZlqWHbTjUkrDwhxtghA--/98_rock_s_noise_in_the_bas.mp3 -------- file continues--------- As you can see, it can be as simple as a list of mp3 file addresses. You can also add explanation, in which case, you want to write the header (#EXTM3U) and then the description line for each track (#EXTINF: , ) So you get: #EXTM3U #EXTINF: -1, My First Track http://mydomain.com/myfirsttrack.mp3 #EXTINF: -1, My Second Track http://otherdomain.com/othertrack.mp3 Thank you for attending M3U 101. Best, Jonathan << Is it a simple text file then? How are they created and formatted? Can you point me to any resources? Thanks again, Kevin >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 10:16:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29557; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:13:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:13:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AC1ABB9.69923E01@pseudobuddha.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:15:38 +0000 From: Bobdog Reply-To: bobdog@pseudobuddha.com Organization: Pseudo Buddha X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Weird Question References: <3.0.3.32.20010326183210.007ed360@mail.airmail.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey michael & list - i'll toot my horn here for a minute: you might like pseudo buddha. we do a psychedelic loopy minimal eastern flavored thing, lotsa eastern modal melodies on top of ethereal dronebeds. we've been described as "if radiohead was from bombay", we"ve been described as "if you took mahavishnu orchestra, miles davis, grateful dead and a hand ful of demerol then threw it all in a blender". check it out if ya have time: http://www.pseudobuddha.com/ thanks for the time, bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 10:37:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30384; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:35:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:35:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [205.174.185.114] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #175 Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:34:20 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Mar 2001 15:34:20.0867 (UTC) FILETIME=[8F05B130:01C0B79C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The economic downturn (nobody wants to use the word "recession" yet) in the US may also be a factor. Even Kurzweill, notorious for overpricing their synthesizers, is blowing out their $6000 K2600 series synths for $3000 ("limited time offer" says their website). Paolo From: "Pete Mundt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Heads up: Acid Pro 2.0 @ Best Buy Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:29:17 -0500 Message-ID: I'd say they are clearing stock, I noticed a couple weeks they were blowing out hard drives, ram, etc. I think they're going to a more bare bones technology dept. From: Adam Levin Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Heads up: Acid Pro 2.0 @ Best Buy Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:59:19 -0500 (EST) According to this week's Best Buy ad, it's on sale for $149.99. That seems awfully low. Is 3.0 on the way and they're just dumping the soon-to-be-obsolete version or did Best Buy realize that this wasn't exactly a product that their standard customers would be interested in so they're clearing out their stock? -Adam _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 11:10:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32396; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:08:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:08:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: PMC10 Q's Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:03:47 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010327193246.0224fe18@mail.mindspring.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <40HXxB.A.g4H.Wwgw6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What do you mean "adaptaplugs"? Does this mean you don't need to solder jumpers from the midi pins to the power connectors inside the unit? Steve > > > You can get a 5 to 7 pin MIDI cable from Rocktron > (http://www.rocktron.com/store/index.html) and then get some > adaptaplugs > from Radio Shack to hook up the power plug on the 5 pin end > into the PMC10 > - assuming you have something that works with the 7 pin end > (like a Triaxis > or some Rocktron equipment). The cable is sold for providing > phantom power > to Rocktron equipment that accept 7 pins IN - so you have to get the > adapters to make it work in the other direction. > > > At 05:03 PM 3/22/2001 -0600, Steve wrote: > > >Does anyone know if the PMC10 can be modified to use phantom > power (for > >example on pins 2 & 4?)? If so, how? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 11:21:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00386; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:19:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:19:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.163.54.121] From: "Denis Aldrich" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Drum machine set up for looping rack Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:17:52 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Mar 2001 16:17:55.0385 (UTC) FILETIME=[A5657A90:01C0B7A2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In regards to the "jist" of my first post on this subject, are there others that would like to comment on crossfading drum machine outputs or even cross fading different drum machines. Is this something that is done by many others?? Side note: I am very happy with my drum machine and do not want to get another one. If I was unhappy with the sounds I would probably compliment it with a sound module to get best of sounds and keep the options I have now. Hans, You indicate you use up to three drum machines. How do you route the signals? I am a guitarist and don't want to play a mixer at the same time, so a foot operated fader may work for me. I could possibly see a crossfader set up to for left/right outputs of a Dmachine going into 2 channels of a mixer and using a second Dmachine (an old DIY sync one) going in separately into a third channel. This would get around the start pointers and allow the second Dmachine to be independently started and stopped. On thing I like about this is being able to add separate effects. Blending traditional Dsets with a set ran through a pitchshift program to get a more industrial sound, is one option I like a lot. Using the second Dmachine for hand drum 3/2,2/3 son parts would be cool. IMHO Bet none of the old units had any sounds for this style, though. Tell me a little about your setup, if you would. Ciao Denis _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 11:25:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00680; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:23:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:23:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007301c0b7a2$9c695e70$0600a8c0@mlameyer02> X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: Subject: Re: Drum machine set up for looping rack - brainstorm idea out of the blue Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:17:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oo! Hey! I got an interesting idea (i.e. cheap trick) from yours! It would be interesting to have a crossfade setup between two different drum patterns, with one pattern at least one beat longer or shorter than the other! Weee! Evolving variation. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denis Aldrich" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 11:17 AM Subject: Re: Drum machine set up for looping rack > In regards to the "jist" of my first post on this subject, are there others > that would like to comment on crossfading drum machine outputs or even cross > fading different drum machines. Is this something that is done by many > others?? > > Side note: > I am very happy with my drum machine and do not want to get another one. > If I was unhappy with the sounds I would probably compliment it with a sound > module to get best of sounds and keep the options I have now. > > Hans, > You indicate you use up to three drum machines. How do you route the > signals? I am a guitarist and don't want to play a mixer at the same time, > so a foot operated fader may work for me. I could possibly see a crossfader > set up to for left/right outputs of a Dmachine going into 2 channels of a > mixer and using a second Dmachine (an old DIY sync one) going in separately > into a third channel. This would get around the start pointers and allow > the second Dmachine to be independently started and stopped. > > On thing I like about this is being able to add separate effects. Blending > traditional Dsets with a set ran through a pitchshift program to get a more > industrial sound, is one option I like a lot. > Using the second Dmachine for hand drum 3/2,2/3 son parts would be cool. > IMHO Bet none of the old units had any sounds for this style, though. > > Tell me a little about your setup, if you would. > Ciao > Denis > ________________________________________________________________ _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 12:07:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03222; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:04:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:04:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sent: 28 Mar 2001 17:03:34 GMT Reply-To: From: "Paul A. Baugher" To: Subject: RE: mp3.com streaming Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:07:54 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In IE on a PC you can right click on the link and click "save target", save one from the site, and open it in a text editor. I haven't tried it myself, but if it's not a binary file, you should have no problem reading it's contents. -pb :) -----Original Message----- :) From: Kevin Mulvihill [mailto:kmulvihill@mediaone.net] :) Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 12:57 AM :) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com :) Subject: RE: mp3.com streaming :) :) :) Is it a simple text file then? How are they created and :) formatted? Can you :) point me to any resources? :) :) Thanks again, :) Kevin :) :) > -----Original Message----- :) > From: phalen orion [mailto:phalen180@infin8ty.com] :) > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 9:39 PM :) > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com :) > Subject: Re: mp3.com streaming :) > :) > :) > An m3u file is a list of mp3 files (could be a list of one) used :) > by a player :) > to determine which files to play (a playlist file). :) > :) > Jonathan :) > :) > << What's the difference between a m3u file and an mp3 file? :) > :) > Thanks, :) > Kevin >> :) > :) :) :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 12:50:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05204; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:48:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:48:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0902714C0BC8D11191CC00805F9FB0C0012045F8@mobexch001.halnet.com> From: Terry Goodman To: "'loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Echoplex Digital Pro Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:45:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know you've been asked a million times, but.......Could you please tell me where I can purchase an Echoplex Digital Pro? Thanks in advance. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 13:09:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07147; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 13:07:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 13:07:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AC228F1.379E1A5E@voicenet.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 13:09:53 -0500 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FX , AH , "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: FS: TC Electronics SUSTAIN+ PARAMETRIC EQUALIZER Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My guitarist is selling his TC Electronics SUSTAIN+ PARAMETRIC EQUALIZER pedal. This highly pro stompbox was made in the late 80s and has been discontinued for years. It has four knobs (sustain, gain, function, center) which control levels and equalization. There is also a noise-gate knob, and two switches, one for EQ setting and one for distortion on/off. It can run on a 9VT battery (included) or and AC adapter. This is parametric EQ, directbox, and compressor all in one and was made by TC electronics in Europe who are widely considered the Holy Grail of Stompbox manufacturers. This particular unit is in *mint* condition with original box, foam packaging, and even the plastic bag it came wrapped in. Pedalman has one of these listed for $350+. My partner is asking $250 OBO and wants a quick painless sale so the OBO could work well here if you don't mess around. I've uploaded picture of the model at: Http://legion.retrosynth.com/tceq.jpg I'll be running the sale so I can accept Paypal from verified users and will pack it well and ship UPS insured for free in the US. Any sale must be confirmed via phone so email me your phone # and I'll call you on my dime to speed things up. Finally, I know this is an expensive price so please hold the sarcasm. It easily sells for this in the current market and if he didn't need that money he wouldn't be selling it in the first place. If you've ever wanted one of these rare boxes you will not find one better even from a Vintage Dealer for more money. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 13:43:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08259; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 13:40:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 13:40:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Apparently-From: From: "Mike Feeney" To: Subject: Thanks Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 13:40:10 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c0b7b6$848df2c0$553c1118@muncie1.in.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010327195914.007e1380@pop.ici.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi again, Just wanted to say thanks for putting up with my questions about the different loopers... I'm about to place my order for the upgraded Boomerang. =) Thanks, Mike _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 13:49:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08503; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 13:45:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 13:45:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0902714C0BC8D11191CC00805F9FB0C0012045F9@mobexch001.halnet.com> From: Terry Goodman To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Thanks Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:43:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am just about to return mine. It's a neat toy but it really cuts the high end. I am playing through my fx loop on my Johnson JT50 amp. There is a noticeable difference between what goes in and what comes out. Just my opinion. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Feeney [SMTP:feeneymike@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 12:40 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Thanks Hi again, Just wanted to say thanks for putting up with my questions about the different loopers... I'm about to place my order for the upgraded Boomerang. =) Thanks, Mike _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 14:20:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10768; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:18:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:18:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010328111009.0224c3c0@mail.mindspring.com> X-Sender: sean_@mail.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:15:00 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Subject: RE: PMC10 Q's In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010327193246.0224fe18@mail.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com search for adaptaplug at www.radioshack.com . What I described involves no soldering and no modifications of either the pmc10 or the 5-7 cable (though you could try that approach). I tried and failed miserably at soldering together an adapter, but those power adapter plugs were too tiny for my hands. At 10:03 AM 3/28/2001 -0600, Steve wrote: >What do you mean "adaptaplugs"? Does this mean you don't need to solder >jumpers from the midi pins to the power connectors inside the unit? > >Steve > > > > > > > You can get a 5 to 7 pin MIDI cable from Rocktron > > (http://www.rocktron.com/store/index.html) and then get some > > adaptaplugs > > from Radio Shack to hook up the power plug on the 5 pin end > > into the PMC10 > > - assuming you have something that works with the 7 pin end > > (like a Triaxis > > or some Rocktron equipment). The cable is sold for providing > > phantom power > > to Rocktron equipment that accept 7 pins IN - so you have to get the > > adapters to make it work in the other direction. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 14:33:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11411; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:31:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:31:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@fixme From: "Darren Littlejohn" To: Subject: RE: Weird Question Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:31:40 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Disposition-Notification-To: "Darren Littlejohn" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Streetlight Records in Santa Cruz, CA has a good section on all kinds of Middle Eastern, Indian, Brazilian, you name it. It may be worth a long distance call to talk to the guy who stocks that section. He can give you a list of artists, most definitely. -d > -----Original Message----- > From: Lee Barnes [mailto:lee.phaedebk@home.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 4:35 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Weird Question > > > Not quite what you were looking for, but something similar with vocals; > check out Sheila Chandra on the Realworld label... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Clark [mailto:mcl451@airmail.net] > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 07:32 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Weird Question > > > Hi, > > I was eating in a 'Hinduish" style restaurant recently. > > They were playing a piece of music that was sort of a combination of Asian > and Middle Eastern in scale and instrumentation. The melody flowed nicely > over the top of what was essentially a one chord loop with various > instruments playing the notes (and extended notes) of the chord. Nice > melody on top. > > I asked the manager who the group/artist was. She didn't know. The music > was on a tape made by a friend of the owner. > > I know this a real long shot, but I wonder if anyone might have an idea of > a group or artist who plays this style of music? Middle Eastern scales > with looping chordal background. The piece was contemporary sounding. > Sort of like a B-Tribe from the Middle East. > > Thanks! > > Michael > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 14:39:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11870; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:37:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:37:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 13:28:17 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: TC Electronics SUSTAIN+ PARAMETRIC EQUALIZER To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <016201c0b7bd$3df1e9a0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <3AC228F1.379E1A5E@voicenet.com> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com me interested i offer $200. phone: 214-926-8182. work phone: 214-570-9199 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Legion" To: "FX" ; "AH" ; Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 12:09 PM Subject: FS: TC Electronics SUSTAIN+ PARAMETRIC EQUALIZER > My guitarist is selling his TC Electronics SUSTAIN+ PARAMETRIC > EQUALIZER pedal. > > This highly pro stompbox was made in the late 80s and has been > discontinued for years. It has four knobs (sustain, gain, function, > center) which control levels and equalization. There is also a > noise-gate knob, and two switches, one for EQ setting and one for > distortion on/off. It can run on a 9VT battery (included) or and AC > adapter. > > This is parametric EQ, directbox, and compressor all in one and was made > by TC electronics in Europe who are widely considered the Holy Grail of > Stompbox manufacturers. > > This particular unit is in *mint* condition with original box, foam > packaging, and even the plastic bag it came wrapped in. Pedalman has > one of these listed for $350+. My partner is asking $250 OBO and wants a > quick painless sale so the OBO could work well here if you don't mess > around. > > I've uploaded picture of the model at: > Http://legion.retrosynth.com/tceq.jpg > > I'll be running the sale so I can accept Paypal from verified users and > will pack it well and ship UPS insured for free in the US. > > Any sale must be confirmed via phone so email me your phone # and I'll > call you on my dime to speed things up. > > Finally, I know this is an expensive price so please hold the sarcasm. > It easily sells for this in the current market and if he didn't need > that money he wouldn't be selling it in the first place. If you've ever > wanted one of these rare boxes you will not find one better even from a > Vintage Dealer for more money. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 14:44:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12248; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:42:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:42:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@fixme From: "Darren Littlejohn" To: Subject: RE: Thanks Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:43:23 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000001c0b7b6$848df2c0$553c1118@muncie1.in.home.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Disposition-Notification-To: "Darren Littlejohn" Resent-Message-ID: <688Vw.A.C_C.L6jw6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just got my Boomerang Plus a couple weeks ago. It's pretty cool, pretty versatile once you get the hang of it. I'm only using half of the features at the moment, but it's got me pretty busy. It's not stereo though,but the company told me that they've had so many requests for stereo that they are going to make one next. -d > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Feeney [mailto:feeneymike@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 10:40 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Thanks > > > > > Hi again, > > Just wanted to say thanks for putting up with my questions about the > different loopers... I'm about to place my order for the upgraded > Boomerang. =) > > Thanks, > Mike > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 14:45:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12389; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:43:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:43:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@fixme From: "Darren Littlejohn" To: Subject: RE: Thanks Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:44:29 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <0902714C0BC8D11191CC00805F9FB0C0012045F9@mobexch001.halnet.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Disposition-Notification-To: "Darren Littlejohn" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Really? I get excellent dynamic range on mine. But it comes from my mixer monitor strip, which is EQ's, and goes back in thru another mixer input. Sounds pretty damn good for mono. -d > -----Original Message----- > From: Terry Goodman [mailto:Terry.Goodman@Halliburton.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 10:44 AM > To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' > Subject: RE: Thanks > > > > I am just about to return mine. It's a neat toy but it really > cuts the high > end. I am playing through my fx loop on my Johnson JT50 amp. There is a > noticeable difference between what goes in and what comes out. Just my > opinion. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Feeney [SMTP:feeneymike@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 12:40 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Thanks > > > > Hi again, > > Just wanted to say thanks for putting up with my questions > about the > different loopers... I'm about to place my order for the upgraded > Boomerang. =) > > Thanks, > Mike > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 14:54:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13128; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:53:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:53:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0902714C0BC8D11191CC00805F9FB0C0012045FB@mobexch001.halnet.com> From: Terry Goodman To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Thanks Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 13:51:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Really. I A/B'd last night. I can tell the difference. So can my wife and stepson. I think the sample rate is only 24kHz, so I guess I should have expected some degradation. I'm not sure what the bit depth is. -----Original Message----- From: Darren Littlejohn [SMTP:darrenl@blacksamba.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 1:44 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Thanks Really? I get excellent dynamic range on mine. But it comes from my mixer monitor strip, which is EQ's, and goes back in thru another mixer input. Sounds pretty damn good for mono. -d > -----Original Message----- > From: Terry Goodman [mailto:Terry.Goodman@Halliburton.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 10:44 AM > To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' > Subject: RE: Thanks > > > > I am just about to return mine. It's a neat toy but it really > cuts the high > end. I am playing through my fx loop on my Johnson JT50 amp. There is a > noticeable difference between what goes in and what comes out. Just my > opinion. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Feeney [SMTP:feeneymike@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 12:40 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Thanks > > > > Hi again, > > Just wanted to say thanks for putting up with my questions > about the > different loopers... I'm about to place my order for the upgraded > Boomerang. =) > > Thanks, > Mike > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 15:08:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14840; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:06:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:06:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c401c0b7c1$2d0446c0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010327193246.0224fe18@mail.mindspring.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20010328111009.0224c3c0@mail.mindspring.com> Subject: Re: PMC10 Q's Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:56:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > search for adaptaplug at www.radioshack.com . What I described involves no > soldering and no modifications of either the pmc10 or the 5-7 cable (though > you could try that approach). I tried and failed miserably at soldering > together an adapter, but those power adapter plugs were too tiny for my hands. This is a cool idea. Thanks! The discussion reminds me of some adpaters that I cobbled together recently. They turned out to be pretty handy and maybe others will find them handy as well. I soldered up a pair of MIDI-to-XLR adapters. One adapter had a standard MIDI plug connected to an XLR male; the other had a standard MIDI plug connected to an XLR female. The adapter pair enabled me to use my normal mic cables to run MIDI. I need to run the MIDI signal about 20-30 feet. Of course the balanced mic line eliminated the MIDI power, but that wasn't important for my application. It worked great! But I've never seen these adapters anywhere. Anybody know of a manufacturer? Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 16:03:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17629; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:01:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:01:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.163.54.32] From: "Denis Aldrich" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Drum machine set up for looping rack - brainstorm idea out of the Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:00:22 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Mar 2001 21:00:22.0326 (UTC) FILETIME=[1A8F7560:01C0B7CA] Resent-Message-ID: <7Fivz.A.2SE.JElw6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Seems very similar to using two EDP's set to 8/7 beats. Or combinations of Dmachines/EDP's set differently. But the main thing to me is to be able to gradually "morph" from one rythem to another. Glad to have a place in the creative fire. Denis From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: Re: Drum machine set up for looping rack - brainstorm idea out of the blue Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:17:35 -0500 Oo! Hey! I got an interesting idea (i.e. cheap trick) from yours! It would be interesting to have a crossfade setup between two different drum patterns, with one pattern at least one beat longer or shorter than the other! Weee! Evolving variation. Mike _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 16:07:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17953; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:06:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:06:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200103282105.f2SL5bb08441@picard.skynet.be> From: "Hugo Haesaert" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:05:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Weird Question Reply-to: hugo.haesaert@skynet.be Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: <3.0.3.32.20010326183210.007ed360@mail.airmail.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All ! Sheila Chandra . Excellent :) Contemporary sounding ? Synths and stuff ? Check out Indian Banghra and Algerian Raj music . Cheers . Keep 'em oscillating :) Hugo = From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 16:34:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19047; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:30:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:30:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:29:30 -0500 Subject: wall wart grief From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3AC05F3C.5D3546C1@bellsouth.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A bit (!) off-topic, but I'm so sick of dealing with 10 wall warts and power strips. My warts provide 9 VDC, 9 VAC, 12 VDC, and 12 VAC. I see larger supplies (big warts, really) at Mouser in 9 and 12 VDC. Any EE's here know if I can just use these DC sources for all my stuff? Seems to me that the internal circuitry of the units are obviously going to convert to DC, so...? DLM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 16:35:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19462; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:33:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:33:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AC254DE.535B447@fullcompass.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:17:18 -0600 From: "Jim Schaefer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Boomerang 494170 FLUCK, DREW Boomerang V2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fellow Rang users, Where have you purchased this upgrade from. I have been calling and emailing them for a month now, with no response. Thanks, - Jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 16:37:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19654; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:35:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:35:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AC25544.C38FC7EB@fullcompass.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:19:00 -0600 From: "Jim Schaefer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Boomerang V2.0 References: <3AC254DE.535B447@fullcompass.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jim Schaefer wrote: > > Fellow Rang users, > > Where have you purchased this upgrade from. I have been calling and > emailing them for a month now, with no response. > > Thanks, > - Jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 16:50:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20364; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:48:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:48:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [152.163.191.232] From: "Jonathan Price" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Upgrades? Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 21:47:03 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Mar 2001 21:47:03.0808 (UTC) FILETIME=[A05FB000:01C0B7D0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I live in New York, NY. Does anyone know the cheapest/most effective place to go to upgrade the rang? What's the charge for such a maneuver? Thanks Jon >From: "Denis Aldrich" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Drum machine set up for looping rack - brainstorm idea out of >the >Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:00:22 -0600 > >Seems very similar to using two EDP's set to 8/7 beats. >Or combinations of Dmachines/EDP's set differently. >But the main thing to me is to be able to gradually "morph" from one rythem >to another. Glad to have a place in the creative fire. >Denis > >From: "Michael LaMeyer" >To: >Subject: Re: Drum machine set up for looping rack - brainstorm idea out of >the blue >Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:17:35 -0500 > >Oo! Hey! I got an interesting idea (i.e. cheap trick) from >yours! It would be interesting to have a crossfade setup >between two different drum patterns, with one pattern at least >one beat longer or shorter than the other! Weee! Evolving >variation. > > > >Mike > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 17:08:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22071; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:05:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:05:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:04:46 -0500 Subject: Re: EDP question From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200103281945.OAA12680@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Was wondering if anyone knew if the following were possible on an Echoplex Digital Pro: I have it set up for 2 loops. I want to record and playback loop 1 for a while; then record a new loop for loop 2; and return to playing loop 1 immediately after recording loop 2 with no repetition of loop 2. Anyone? Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 17:19:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22759; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:18:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:18:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c0b7d4$f8420580$432078d8@prelayomb> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: Subject: Re: EDP question Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:18:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know this one! > Was wondering if anyone knew if the following were possible on an Echoplex > Digital Pro: > > I have it set up for 2 loops. I want to record and playback loop 1 for a > while; then record a new loop for loop 2; and return to playing loop 1 > immediately after recording loop 2 with no repetition of loop 2. Use MIDI! End Loop number two with a MIDI command to play loop one. This command is determined by LoopTrig as described on page 60 of the EDP manual. Wha'd I win? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 17:33:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23454; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:31:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:31:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200103282230.f2SMUcT11468@jefferson.patriot.net> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:30:20 -0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: wall wart grief From: Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chalk X-Mailer: TWIG 2.3.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David Myers said: > A bit (!) off-topic, but I'm so sick of dealing with 10 wall warts and power > strips. My warts provide 9 VDC, 9 VAC, 12 VDC, and 12 VAC. I see larger > supplies (big warts, really) at Mouser in 9 and 12 VDC. Any EE's here know > if I can just use these DC sources for all my stuff? Seems to me that the > internal circuitry of the units are obviously going to convert to DC, so...? Yes. Most devices say exactly what they need: 12VDC and then a funny little symbol that looks like an alien's attempt at the universal symbol for sex with a plus on one side and a minus on the other -- it's telling you that you want to supply a DC 12V differential, and you want to match "+" to "+", and "-" to "-", and the symbol is telling you whether you want the "tip" (inside) or "sleeve" (outside) to supply which. 12VAC is alternating current, so you don't want to muck with that (never mix DC and AC). You also want to watch your wattages and amperages -- you don't want to ask too much of the transformer, otherwise you're going to sacrifice fidelity and possibility the lifespan of your equipment. So don't just bare-wire split those supplies, make sure you know what you're doing. There are devices out there that supply multiple DC voltages, but they're usually all the same, so if you have the above mix, I think you're screwed. Another solution is, Musician's Friend sells them (and I'm sure others), but there's basically a thing like a wart adapter -- it's just a short extension cord. If you go to their web page and do a search on "wart", I believe it's the last item ("Dr. Ferd's Wall Wart Remover"). I also like using, there's a really nice strip they sell at Micro Center (and other computer stores, I'm sure), that's three outlets on top, three each on both sides, and they're all widely spaced, so it can take 9 warts no problemo. And I'm a synthesist, so I know exactly what you're talking about. That's my solution. -- Face down in the lap of luxury, and nowhere to GO but DOWN... :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 17:37:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24057; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:35:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:35:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010328173405.007ecbb0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:34:05 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Weird Question In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.3.32.20010326183210.007ed360@mail.airmail.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:34 AM 3/28/01 -0500, you wrote: >I know this a real long shot, but I wonder if anyone might have an idea of >a group or artist who plays this style of music? Middle Eastern scales >with looping chordal background. The piece was contemporary sounding. >Sort of like a B-Tribe from the Middle East. Maybe TransGlobal Underground? Natacha Atlas? Ofra Haza? Loop Guru? -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 18:23:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26745; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:20:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:20:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AC29B04.6ABB2A06@home.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:16:36 -0800 From: Will Brake Organization: Soul Fruit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0407 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: wall wart grief References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------0ED7CC44DC6FE607DBA30327" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0ED7CC44DC6FE607DBA30327 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David, Units that require an AC supply will not work with a DC input voltage. The solution as I see it is to get a beefy (read current or amperage) supply for each voltage required and build (or buy) multiple cable runs terminating in the proper sex for the devices to be powered. These cables are usually used with pedalboards but the concept can be adapted to a rack situation. If this seems confusing to you, drop me a line, I'll be happy to clarify. If there is enough interest, I'll make the effort to find the supplies and build up custom cables. Be Well Will Brake Soul Fruit David Myers wrote: > > A bit (!) off-topic, but I'm so sick of dealing with 10 wall warts and power > strips. My warts provide 9 VDC, 9 VAC, 12 VDC, and 12 VAC. I see larger > supplies (big warts, really) at Mouser in 9 and 12 VDC. Any EE's here know > if I can just use these DC sources for all my stuff? Seems to me that the > internal circuitry of the units are obviously going to convert to DC, so...? > > DLM --------------0ED7CC44DC6FE607DBA30327 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="wbrake.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Will Brake Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="wbrake.vcf" begin:vcard n:Brake;Will tel;work:248-583-1856 x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http//www.soul-fruit.com org:Soul Fruit adr:;;2900 Rochester Road;Royal Oak;Michigan;48073;USA version:2.1 email;internet:wbrake@home.com title:Owner fn:Will Brake end:vcard --------------0ED7CC44DC6FE607DBA30327-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 18:29:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27244; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:27:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:27:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200103282327.PAA27071@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:29:00 -0700 Subject: Re: Weird Question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com god i luv all the artists you mention.how'dja know? even if its not what you are lookin for,its great stuff stanner ---------- >From: Tim Nelson >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: Weird Question >Date: Wed, Mar 28, 2001, 3:34 PM > >At 07:34 AM 3/28/01 -0500, you wrote: >>I know this a real long shot, but I wonder if anyone might have an idea of >>a group or artist who plays this style of music? Middle Eastern scales >>with looping chordal background. The piece was contemporary sounding. >>Sort of like a B-Tribe from the Middle East. > >Maybe TransGlobal Underground? Natacha Atlas? Ofra Haza? Loop Guru? > >-t > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 20:03:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA32518; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 20:00:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 20:00:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010329005902.95347.qmail@web10106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:59:02 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: Re: wall wart grief To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3AC29B04.6ABB2A06@home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Will Brake wrote: > David, > Units that require an AC supply will not work with a DC input > voltage. > Will Brake > Soul Fruit This statement is not true. I know because I have powered ac input devices (roland gr-09) with the same value dc input. It does work. I am an electrical engineer. The ac input device has diodes inside to rectify the ac. If you pass a dc voltage into the rectifiers, they simply pass the current through, if they are forward biased. As long as you do not exceed the diode's voltage rating, and current rating there will be no problems. This has been discussed here before. bret > David Myers wrote: > > > > A bit (!) off-topic, but I'm so sick of dealing with 10 wall warts > and power > > strips. My warts provide 9 VDC, 9 VAC, 12 VDC, and 12 VAC. I see > larger > > supplies (big warts, really) at Mouser in 9 and 12 VDC. Any EE's > here know > > if I can just use these DC sources for all my stuff? Seems to me > that the > > internal circuitry of the units are obviously going to convert to > DC, so...? > > > > DLM> begin:vcard > n:Brake;Will > tel;work:248-583-1856 > x-mozilla-html:TRUE > url:http//www.soul-fruit.com > org:Soul Fruit > adr:;;2900 Rochester Road;Royal Oak;Michigan;48073;USA > version:2.1 > email;internet:wbrake@home.com > title:Owner > fn:Will Brake > end:vcard > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 22:16:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA06454; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:13:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:13:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001c01c0b7ff$19d66b80$e15dfea9@vaio> Reply-To: "Kevin Goldsmith" From: "Kevin Goldsmith" To: , Subject: SEATTLE GIG SPAM: Intonarumori/Intoning Silence performing at Seattle Art Museum Tomorrow (Thursday) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:19:41 -0800 Organization: Unit Circle Media MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Intonarumori and Intoning Silence (featuring me and Wes of Entropic Advance) will be performing at Seattle Art Museum tomorrow as part of their Art After Hours series. The music will be in the main entrance area between 5 and 7pm. The cover charge includes access to the museum galleries. More information on Intonarumori is available from www.intonarumori.com Kevin Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 22:22:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07046; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:20:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:20:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 21:17:10 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: TC Electronics SUSTAIN+ PARAMETRIC EQUALIZER To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01f001c0b7fe$c1209c90$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <3AC228F1.379E1A5E@voicenet.com> <016201c0b7bd$3df1e9a0$080210ac@jpalmer> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: <9ksbQ.A.AsB.Mnqw6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sorry guys, i meant to send this direct. sorry for the apology bandwidth waste, too sorry for the apology bandwidth waste apology |: apology :| From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 22:35:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07886; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:33:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:33:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00cd01c0b800$a7fa8da0$231b51d8@escape.ca> From: "Jack Lazaruk" To: References: <20010327161619.55295.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: unsubscribe Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 21:30:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CA_01C0B7CE.48298340" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CA_01C0B7CE.48298340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- ------=_NextPart_000_00CA_01C0B7CE.48298340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
 

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------=_NextPart_000_00CA_01C0B7CE.48298340-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 22:36:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08390; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:34:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:34:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 21:32:17 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: EDP question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <021601c0b800$db413b50$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <001701c0b7d4$f8420580$432078d8@prelayomb> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: <-iRpHD.A.V9B.R0qw6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm not sure, but i'm thinking you can do this without midi. set loops param to 2 end loop 2 record with nextloop instead of record. yes? no? maybe? don't have my edp here, so i can't test this... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 4:18 PM Subject: Re: EDP question > I know this one! > > > Was wondering if anyone knew if the following were possible on an Echoplex > > Digital Pro: > > > > I have it set up for 2 loops. I want to record and playback loop 1 for a > > while; then record a new loop for loop 2; and return to playing loop 1 > > immediately after recording loop 2 with no repetition of loop 2. > Use MIDI! End Loop number two with a MIDI command to play loop one. This > command is determined by LoopTrig as described on page 60 of the EDP manual. > Wha'd I win? > Gary > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 22:52:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09239; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:48:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:48:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AC2D9E6.62806B99@home.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:44:54 -0800 From: Will Brake Organization: Soul Fruit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0407 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: wall wart grief References: <20010329005902.95347.qmail@web10106.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------E3F29EE37AF585DE3CA07BAC" Resent-Message-ID: <_1fxIC.A.iPC.qBrw6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------E3F29EE37AF585DE3CA07BAC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bret, I totally agree with your expert explanation. You are certainly correct. In theory, definite. In practice, no promises. What you must take into account is the many different makes and models out there. I have seen many pieces of gear fail because an incorrect type of supply was used. I suppose I should have been more clear. It is not recommended to use the wrong type of supply. For example: If you use an off brand wall wart to power certain BOSS pedals or Drum Machines, you will get noisy output or erratic operation. This is because the BOSS supplies have filtering and regulation. Some older Alesis pieces fail when used with a DC supply. I've seen it happen! You go ahead and take the gamble on the quality of the design, it keeps me in business! For what it's worth Will Brake Soul Fruit > This statement is not true. I know because I have powered ac input > devices (roland gr-09) with the same value dc input. It does work. I > am an electrical engineer. The ac input device has diodes inside to > rectify the ac. If you pass a dc voltage into the rectifiers, they > simply pass the current through, if they are forward biased. As long > as you do not exceed the diode's voltage rating, and current rating > there will be no problems. This has been discussed here before. > --------------E3F29EE37AF585DE3CA07BAC Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="wbrake.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Will Brake Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="wbrake.vcf" begin:vcard n:Brake;Will tel;work:248-583-1856 x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http//www.soul-fruit.com org:Soul Fruit adr:;;2900 Rochester Road;Royal Oak;Michigan;48073;USA version:2.1 email;internet:wbrake@home.com title:Owner fn:Will Brake end:vcard --------------E3F29EE37AF585DE3CA07BAC-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 23:11:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11557; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:09:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:09:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:09:18 -0500 Subject: Re: wall wart grief From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20010329005902.95347.qmail@web10106.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> David, >> Units that require an AC supply will not work with a DC input >> voltage. >> Will Brake >> Soul Fruit > > This statement is not true. I know because I have powered ac input > devices (roland gr-09) with the same value dc input. It does work. I > am an electrical engineer. The ac input device has diodes inside to > rectify the ac. If you pass a dc voltage into the rectifiers, they > simply pass the current through, if they are forward biased. As long > as you do not exceed the diode's voltage rating, and current rating > there will be no problems. This has been discussed here before. > > bret This is exactly what I was thinking, and was gratified to get your resonse, Bret. But then: >I totally agree with your expert explanation. You are certainly correct. >In theory, definite. In practice, no promises. What you must take into >account is the many different makes and models out there. I have seen >many pieces of gear fail because an incorrect type of supply was used. I >suppose I should have been more clear. It is not recommended to use the >wrong type of supply. >For example: >If you use an off brand wall wart to power certain BOSS pedals or Drum >Machines, you will get noisy output or erratic operation. This is >because the BOSS supplies have filtering and regulation. Some older >Alesis pieces fail when used with a DC supply. I've seen it happen! >You go ahead and take the gamble on the quality of the design, it keeps >me in business! >For what it's worth >Will Brake Oy! Wish life were simpler, eh? I have three Korg Kaoss pads, a DL-4, an Alesis AirFX and Nanocomp and a couple of simple self made mixers based on an AC wart (and a Littlelite!). I am very inclined to the "if you pass a dc voltage into the rectifiers, they simply pass the current through" theory, so if anyone here has experience with these specific devices going up in smoke I'd appreciate hearing about it before I make the plunge. Otherwise, maybe I'll be giving you business, Will... DLM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 00:28:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA14867; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 00:26:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 00:26:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010329052508.92302.qmail@web13401.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 21:25:08 -0800 (PST) From: keith mckenney Subject: unsubscribe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-635723058-985843508=:92096" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-635723058-985843508=:92096 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii unsubscribe already --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Mail. --0-635723058-985843508=:92096-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 01:16:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA17435; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 01:14:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 01:14:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:10:20 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: unsubscribe In-reply-to: <20010329052508.92302.qmail@web13401.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: <20010329052508.92302.qmail@web13401.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:25 PM -0800 3/28/01, keith mckenney wrote: >unsubscribe already Send your request to the correct address already. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 02:29:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA20358; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 02:24:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 02:24:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010329072327.96716.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:23:27 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: Re: EDP question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001701c0b7d4$f8420580$432078d8@prelayomb> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com kudos --- Gary Lehmann wrote: > I know this one! > > > Was wondering if anyone knew if the following were possible on an > Echoplex > > Digital Pro: > > > > I have it set up for 2 loops. I want to record and playback loop 1 > for a > > while; then record a new loop for loop 2; and return to playing > loop 1 > > immediately after recording loop 2 with no repetition of loop 2. > Use MIDI! End Loop number two with a MIDI command to play loop one. > This > command is determined by LoopTrig as described on page 60 of the EDP > manual. > Wha'd I win? > Gary > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 04:30:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA25060; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 04:27:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 04:27:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b101c0e819$a0518f60$aa8ae3a5@looppool> From: "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" To: References: <200103271621.LAA00480@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: re: wierd question Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 01:30:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There is a very creative artist out of San Francisco whose name is Cheb I Shabbah who is doing a very cool blending of looping, Indian and MiddleEastern music.........i'd bet my bottom dollar that is what you were listening to. He not only has a new record out but he also has a remix of the record out (I believe). He has been spinning world ethnic fusion music and electronica in San Francisco for a few years now. I've never seen him mix but I hear he is really good. I hope this helps. yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) PS I will also be putting out a CD within a year or so with a mix of Middleeastern,Indian,African, Balkan and Indonesian elements comined with Abstract Electronica. I'm going to be calling the project Hamsas Hand. There, I said it, now I have to do it ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 05:04:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA27132; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 04:59:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 04:59:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017501c0e81e$27a40f20$aa8ae3a5@looppool> From: "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" To: References: <200103281945.OAA12679@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re:re: wierd question Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 02:02:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Darren wrote in reply: "The Streetlight Records in Santa Cruz, CA has a good section on all kinds of Middle Eastern, Indian, Brazilian, you name it. It may be worth a long distance call to talk to the guy who stocks that section. He can give you a list of artists, most definitely." The gentleman who orders for both the ethnic music section AND the electronic section's name is John Connell. I know, because I play middleastern music with him in an on again/off again duet project called AZIZAM (we performed at the very first Santa Cruz Festival of Emerging Electronica) and also every week for Palika's belly dance class. He is a very serious student of Persian classical music (ney, zarb, setar and daf) as well as a fascinating and very innovative DJ (he uses records like a real time sampler mixing them through guitar effects pedals) and electronic musician. He even plays electric guitar, bass and a little sitar. He is also an incredible comic book artist to boot. He is very knowledgeable and can help anyone out to find music in this fabulous record store that we are lucky enough to have in our little burg by the Monterey Bay. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 08:07:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01194; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 08:05:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 08:05:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C0B861.FACA14E0.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters Reply-To: "mpeters@csi.com" To: "loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: AW: Revenge of the ambient guitar-loop paradigm Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:50:17 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 520050239610-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks for uploading this stuff Andre. I listened to all tracks and had lots of fun. My favorite is of course 'Robot cat takes spin in washing machine, sounds tornado alarm, ascends top of holy mountain, merges with Atman.' Recommendations to all !!! give it a listen. = michael peters = electronic music & strange attractors = http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb > I've just uploaded a ton of streaming, full-length samples of music of > mine from over the years, including a number of solo guitar-loop > thingies. Here are some direct links to RealAudio streams for you: > > http://www.altruistmusic.com/ram/inferno.ram > http://www.altruistmusic.com/ram/azimuth.ram > http://www.altruistmusic.com/ram/exit.ram > http://www.altruistmusic.com/ram/some.ram > > Details on all of these and more can be found at > > http://www.altruistmusic.com/archive/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 09:40:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04553; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:39:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:39:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c0b81b$b6486740$4c93fc3f@user> From: "aurlite" To: Subject: loop dumps Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 01:44:30 -0500 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0B7F1.CC2A4EE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0B7F1.CC2A4EE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello, need some help on how to dump loops from plex to sequencer/sampler for = recall for live preformance. whats the best way to go,any suggestions thanks Jim =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0B7F1.CC2A4EE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hello,
 
need some help on how to dump loops from plex to=20 sequencer/sampler for recall for live preformance.
whats the best way to go,any = suggestions
thanks
 
Jim
  
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0B7F1.CC2A4EE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 09:44:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04946; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:41:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:41:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AC372E8.5E289417@home.com> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:37:44 -0800 From: Will Brake Organization: Soul Fruit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0407 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: wall wart grief References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------666BFDAC383EC1017027D227" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------666BFDAC383EC1017027D227 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David, I have known the Kaoss units to fail with no prompting. I suspect a bad lot of parts, but supply issues could certainly be counted as potential causes. Korg has been pretty tight lipped when it comes to supporting the repair of these units. It took months for them to get service docs together and they won't do board swaps under warranty. I've personally worked on six of them since they came out. I think I've seen two Nanocomps for problems since they were released. They are very reliable units. I have yet to see the DL-4 or AirFX in need of repair. Be Well Will Brake Soul Fruit > > Oy! Wish life were simpler, eh? I have three Korg Kaoss pads, a DL-4, an > Alesis AirFX and Nanocomp and a couple of simple self made mixers based on > an AC wart (and a Littlelite!). I am very inclined to the "if you pass a dc > voltage into the rectifiers, they simply pass the current through" theory, > so if anyone here has experience with these specific devices going up in > smoke I'd appreciate hearing about it before I make the plunge. Otherwise, > maybe I'll be giving you business, Will... > > DLM --------------666BFDAC383EC1017027D227 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="wbrake.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Will Brake Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="wbrake.vcf" begin:vcard n:Brake;Will tel;work:248-583-1856 x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http//www.soul-fruit.com org:Soul Fruit adr:;;2900 Rochester Road;Royal Oak;Michigan;48073;USA version:2.1 email;internet:wbrake@home.com title:Owner fn:Will Brake end:vcard --------------666BFDAC383EC1017027D227-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 10:07:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07013; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:05:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:05:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Apparently-From: From: "Mike Feeney" To: Subject: RE: EDP question Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:02:39 -0500 Message-ID: <000201c0b861$4c61f300$553c1118@muncie1.in.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20010329072327.96716.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not familiar at all with MIDI, but I really want to learn more about what you can do with it, how it works, etc... is there a place I can go to read up on a primer for MIDI? Thanks. -Mike "People are just about as happy as they make up their minds to be." -Abraham Lincoln- -----Original Message----- From: Bret [mailto:echoplex@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 2:23 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP question kudos --- Gary Lehmann wrote: > I know this one! > > > Was wondering if anyone knew if the following were possible on an > Echoplex > > Digital Pro: > > > > I have it set up for 2 loops. I want to record and playback loop 1 > for a > > while; then record a new loop for loop 2; and return to playing > loop 1 > > immediately after recording loop 2 with no repetition of loop 2. > Use MIDI! End Loop number two with a MIDI command to play loop one. > This > command is determined by LoopTrig as described on page 60 of the EDP > manual. > Wha'd I win? > Gary > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! 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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 10:14:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07606; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:12:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:12:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "WIll" To: Subject: Re: [ElectronicMusic] mp3.com Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 06:58:57 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010329150930.JMXJ21907.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@12345> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just a follow up .... My song uploaded the first of March, was posted yesterday.How long has it taken the rest of you? I'm wondering if there is an average wait time for those who chose not to subscribe. Will Green www.mp3.com/willgreen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 10:53:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA09133; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:51:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:51:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c0b867$ea511ae0$d52078d8@prelayomb> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <000201c0b861$4c61f300$553c1118@muncie1.in.home.com> Subject: Learning about MIDI Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 07:49:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I did a search using my regretably slow Internet connection and found this site: http://www.midi.com/ Guess that makes sense . . . It has some introductory stuff . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 11:21:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10958; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:11:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:11:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c0b86a$b8a50300$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <000201c0b861$4c61f300$553c1118@muncie1.in.home.com> Subject: Re: EDP question Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:10:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Mike, > I'm not familiar at all with MIDI, but I really want to learn more about > what you can do with it, how it works, etc... is there a place I can go to > read up on a primer for MIDI? Thanks. Try http://www.harmony-central.com/MIDI/Doc/tutorial.html#intro as well as other MIDI info at Harmony Central: http://www.harmony-central.com/MIDI/Doc/doc.html#int Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 11:26:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10960; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:11:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:11:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:09:44 -0500 Subject: Re: wall wart grief From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3AC372E8.5E289417@home.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the info, Will. When I bought my last Kaoss, the sales guy at Manny's said, 'keep the receipt so you can bring it back if anything's wrong!'. Lucky so far. The Pad uses DC, so at least I don't have that particular anxiety. The Mouser (Phihong) 'universal input adapters' I'm looking at (pg. 316 of the latest Mouser catalog, if you happen to have one) look pretty good; up to 5 amps in a very slim package. One thing which is interesting is that they list input as "90 VAC to 254 VAC"--seen these? It would be great to find that toting a heavy stepdown transformer to Europe is unnecessary! On the other hand, maybe I'm courting trouble enough as is... DLM > David, > > I have known the Kaoss units to fail with no prompting. I suspect a bad > lot of parts, but supply issues could certainly be counted as potential > causes. Korg has been pretty tight lipped when it comes to supporting > the repair of these units. It took months for them to get service docs > together and they won't do board swaps under warranty. I've personally > worked on six of them since they came out. I think I've seen two > Nanocomps for problems since they were released. They are very reliable > units. I have yet to see the DL-4 or AirFX in need of repair. > > Be Well > > Will Brake > Soul Fruit From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 11:43:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12234; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:41:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:41:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.253.195.194] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [ElectronicMusic] mp3.com Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 08:37:33 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Mar 2001 16:37:33.0803 (UTC) FILETIME=[8E338BB0:01C0B86E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When they first started the "premium artist" program, it took my song 2 days to get posted instead of 1. So far it's been 2 weeks for a song I posted since they did the 'payback for playback' change. It's simply not worth it. It's sad too, since I just started an ongoing compilation project on mp3.com with the "Music from field recordigs" page. When I get some free time at home I'm going to start looking for a new home for it. Matt >From: "WIll" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: [ElectronicMusic] mp3.com >Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 06:58:57 -0800 > > >Just a follow up .... My song uploaded the first of March, was posted >yesterday.How long has it taken the rest of you? I'm wondering if there is >an average wait time for those who chose not to subscribe. > >Will Green >www.mp3.com/willgreen > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 12:18:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14285; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:15:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:15:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <6b.11ec4f21.27f4c6e3@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:12:03 EST Subject: Re: JamMan Stereo Question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_6b.11ec4f21.27f4c6e3_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows UK sub 58 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_6b.11ec4f21.27f4c6e3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you have a stereo source you can run it through the JamMan without monoing it. of course the loops will all be mono. ..but its potentially a useful feature. this was discussed on LD a while back so might be worth searching the archive( feelings seemed to run quite high on this one) ab --part1_6b.11ec4f21.27f4c6e3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you have a stereo source you can run it through
the JamMan without monoing it.
of course the loops will all be mono.
..but its potentially a useful feature.

this was discussed on LD a while back so
might be worth searching the archive( feelings
seemed to run quite high on this one)

ab --part1_6b.11ec4f21.27f4c6e3_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 12:29:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14931; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:26:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:26:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6b.11ec4f21.27f4c6e3@aol.com> References: <6b.11ec4f21.27f4c6e3@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:09:51 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: JamMan Stereo Question Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1226236701==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1226236701==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" also, as i learned from a list member last year sometime, the dual outputs and the summing to mono allows for a unique 'hardwired loop' configuration in conjunction with an aux send and return on a mixer. Put in a couple of volume pedals and an a/b switch, and you get an interesting delay/loop setup with pedal controlled feedback & loop mix level, a EDP like multiply/divide type function, and some oversaturation/self oscillating if ya want it. best, rich >If you have a stereo source you can run it through >the JamMan without monoing it. >of course the loops will all be mono. >..but its potentially a useful feature. > >this was discussed on LD a while back so >might be worth searching the archive( feelings >seemed to run quite high on this one) > >ab --============_-1226236701==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: JamMan Stereo Question
also, as i learned from a list member last year sometime, the dual outputs and the summing to mono allows for a unique 'hardwired loop' configuration in conjunction with an aux send and return on a mixer.  Put in a couple of volume pedals and an a/b switch, and you get an interesting delay/loop setup with pedal controlled feedback & loop mix level, a EDP like multiply/divide type function, and some oversaturation/self oscillating if ya want it.

best,

rich





If you have a stereo source you can run it through
the JamMan without monoing it.
of course the loops will all be mono.
..but its potentially a useful feature.

this was discussed on LD a while back so
might be worth searching the archive( feelings
seemed to run quite high on this one)

ab

--============_-1226236701==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 12:45:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15759; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:43:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:43:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: WKlein8318@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:41:13 EST Subject: droning questions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 114 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In the spirit of the Tueffel and Glisstar thread, is anyone out there aware of a manufacturer of electric sitars or guitars with additional drone strings? I've never seen an actual sitar, but from photos it appears the drones run under very large D shaped frets, with the melody strings passing over the top of the metal arc of the D. Is that accurate? Any DIYers ever try this? Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 12:47:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15573; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:41:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:41:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <8d.46bbead.27f4cd2b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:38:51 EST Subject: Re: wall wart grief To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_8d.46bbead.27f4cd2b_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10520 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_8d.46bbead.27f4cd2b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/28/01 11:09:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, dmgraph@earthlink.net writes: > an > david.....would you care to expound on this piece a bit, im hot to get it and an AirSynth and i would like to hear a bit about how they operate and sound.....thanks.....michael --part1_8d.46bbead.27f4cd2b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/28/01 11:09:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dmgraph@earthlink.net writes:


an
Alesis AirFX


david.....would you care to expound on this piece a bit, im hot to get it and
an AirSynth and i would like to hear a bit about how they operate and
sound.....thanks.....michael --part1_8d.46bbead.27f4cd2b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 13:10:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17765; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 13:08:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 13:08:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 13:05:38 -0500 Subject: AirFX From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8d.46bbead.27f4cd2b@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1QSAB.A.TUE.ul3w6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael: I must say that the AirFX is not a stunner IMO. The idea seems cooler than the product. It is good in my setup, but I use it minimally, in a feedback loop with a Kaoss pad. The effects are gimmicky but probably good for DJs. I have four Kaoss pads, so that tells you my preference! David Lee Myers http://www.pulsewidth.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Ourobouros" CD of new Feedback Music available now on Pulsewidth! In NYC at Downtown Music, Kim's Mondo, and Other Music, and through Forced Exposure, Anomalous, Wayside, Electronic Music Foundation, Recommended, and Staalplaat. >on 3/29/01 12:38 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com at Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 3/28/01 11:09:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, >dmgraph@earthlink.net writes: >an >Alesis AirFX >david.....would you care to expound on this piece a bit, im hot to get it and >an AirSynth and i would like to hear a bit about how they operate and >sound.....thanks.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 13:23:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18331; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 13:21:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 13:21:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003a01c0b87c$57394380$c528059a@hal> Reply-To: "Christian Leduc" From: "Christian Leduc" To: References: Subject: Re: droning questions Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 13:16:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It is accurate... The drone strings are under the frets and yes the frets are in a "D" shape.. They also can be move on the board so you can chose the intervals you want. Abe Wechter, John McLaughlin's luthier, did 2 hybrid accoustic guitars (with scalloped fingerboards and sympathetic drones).. You can take a simple accoustic guitar and scallop it and put drone strings like McLaughlin (it creates more tension).. I don't know if Wechter is still alive though... I think he passed away a couple of years ago... I know that Bob Cohen have an electric sitar (French canadian guitarist) but I don't know the manufacturer... Klein did one, go to their website: www.kleinguitars.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 13:33:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18696; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 13:30:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 13:30:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: Re: droning questions To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:21:47 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 03/29/2001 12:22:17 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The most recent issue of Guitar Player has a review/infoblurb on someone's recreation of the Coral Eclectric Sitar. Bob something. He used to do Danalectro reissues, before Danalectro came back. Forget his name. Anyway, I don't think the thing was that expensive. L From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 13:37:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19071; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 13:35:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 13:35:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mibeck@143.229.1.6 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 13:20:47 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Beck Subject: Re: pc looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <3I41GC.A.PnE.FA4w6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Secondly, does anyone out there with PC experience know of the feasibility >of writing dedicated phrase sampling live looping software for PC hardware? >Or is the latency introduced by our modern GUI's too much to work with, no >matter how sharp your algorithms? Now would be a good time for someone to talk about Max/MSP...Or are all these Windoze people taking over the forum? :) - Mike From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 13:59:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19865; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 13:57:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 13:57:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [205.155.22.170] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: wierd question Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:54:09 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Mar 2001 18:54:09.0323 (UTC) FILETIME=[A31CA7B0:01C0B881] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have seen Cheb I Shabbah several times at S.F. parties. He is a masterful looping artist and entertainer. I will post his gigs when I hear where he is playing if you want....Om and Out Papa Dave papadave55@hotmail.com > >There is a very creative artist out of San Francisco whose name is Cheb I >Shabbah who is doing a very cool blending of looping, Indian and >MiddleEastern music.........i'd bet my bottom dollar that is what you were >listening to. He not only has a new record out but he also has >a remix of the record out (I believe). He has been spinning world ethnic >fusion music and electronica in San Francisco for a few years now. I've >never seen him mix but I hear he is really good. I hope this helps. > >yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) > >PS I will also be putting out a CD within a year or so with a mix of >Middleeastern,Indian,African, Balkan and Indonesian elements comined with >Abstract Electronica. I'm going to be calling the project Hamsas Hand. >There, I said it, now I have to do it ;-) > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 14:12:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21558; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:10:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:10:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006d01c0b883$b03f2a10$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: pc looping Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:08:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <5DxImB.A.vPF.ng4w6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Now would be a good time for someone to talk about Max/MSP...Or > are all these Windoze people taking over the forum? :) As long as we're brainstorming... How 'bout a basic looper (record/play/overdub) for a PDA or pocket-PC? Those devices would be easier to gig with and their cost is going down Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 14:27:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22165; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:26:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:26:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@fixme From: "Darren Littlejohn" To: Subject: RE: [ElectronicMusic] mp3.com Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:24:37 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <20010329150930.JMXJ21907.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@12345> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mine was posted on the 6th of March, and 3 of 4 songs are finally available. Then I made the mistake of updateing a tune that didn't sound right, now who knows how long it will take. www.mp3.com/blacksamba -d > -----Original Message----- > From: WIll [mailto:bilg@worldnet.att.net] > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 6:59 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: [ElectronicMusic] mp3.com > > > > Just a follow up .... My song uploaded the first of March, was posted > yesterday.How long has it taken the rest of you? I'm wondering if there is > an average wait time for those who chose not to subscribe. > > Will Green > www.mp3.com/willgreen > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 14:30:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22445; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:28:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:28:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@fixme From: "Darren Littlejohn" To: Subject: RE: loop dumps Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:26:10 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C0B843.0DF42E80" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <000801c0b81b$b6486740$4c93fc3f@user> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C0B843.0DF42E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SoundDiver software may help. What format does the plex save in? Can you get them to the PC? -d -----Original Message----- From: aurlite [mailto:aurlite@prodigy.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 10:45 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: loop dumps hello, need some help on how to dump loops from plex to sequencer/sampler for recall for live preformance. whats the best way to go,any suggestions thanks Jim ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C0B843.0DF42E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
SoundDiver software may help. What = format does=20 the plex save in? Can you get them to the PC? =
 
-d
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Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 = 10:45=20 PM
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hello,
 
need some help on how to dump loops from plex to=20 sequencer/sampler for recall for live preformance.
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Jim
  
= ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C0B843.0DF42E80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 14:30:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22557; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:29:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:29:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@fixme From: "Darren Littlejohn" To: Subject: RE: pc looping Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:23:40 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <006d01c0b883$b03f2a10$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <3R_ilC.A.zXF.pt4w6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anybode seen this yet? http://www.ableton.com/ works with a laptop. On the fly looping and editing...and it records while you work! It was pretty big at NAMM accodording to EQ. -d From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 14:38:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23352; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:37:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:37:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: RE: pc looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 13:30:35 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 03/29/2001 01:31:06 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >anybode seen this yet? > >http://www.ableton.com/ Yeah, I looked at this a while back. Problem is, I cannot see any means to capture live audio input in real-time and then begin looping. It seems like Live 1.0 is just a more performance-oriented version of ACID. Now, if you could record live audio and then create tempo-matched, time-stretched "clips" from that and THEN do all the things Live says it can do, well, then I'd get excited. L From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 14:39:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23485; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:38:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:38:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AC38EDF.229434C6@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:39:51 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: wierd question References: <200103271621.LAA00480@hemlock.violacea.com> <00b101c0e819$a0518f60$aa8ae3a5@looppool> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" wrote: > There is a very creative artist out of San Francisco whose name is Cheb I > Shabbah who is doing a very cool blending of looping, Indian and > MiddleEastern music.........i'd bet my bottom dollar that is what you were > listening to. He not only has a new record out but he also has > a remix of the record out (I believe). He has been spinning world ethnic > fusion music and electronica in San Francisco for a few years now. I've > never seen him mix but I hear he is really good. I hope this helps. > > yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) > > PS I will also be putting out a CD within a year or so with a mix of > Middleeastern,Indian,African, Balkan and Indonesian elements comined with > Abstract Electronica. I'm going to be calling the project Hamsas Hand. > There, I said it, now I have to do it ;-) looking forward to it, rick! lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 14:48:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24035; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:46:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:46:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008d01c0b887$a85b8600$6b44230a@mlameyer02> X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <006d01c0b883$b03f2a10$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: pda looping Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:37:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmmm, yeah a little memory box with full duplex sound and midi implementation (for control). A PDA with a pcmcia card slot (and driver support for some sound card) and compaq flash would do it. Once you had software that is. Anyone happen to know of any pcmcia sound cards support by any pda os's? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Leas" To: Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 2:08 PM Subject: Re: pc looping > > Now would be a good time for someone to talk about Max/MSP...Or > > are all these Windoze people taking over the forum? :) > > As long as we're brainstorming... > > How 'bout a basic looper (record/play/overdub) for a PDA or pocket-PC? > Those devices would be easier to gig with and their cost is going down > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 14:54:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24521; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:53:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:53:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@fixme From: "Darren Littlejohn" To: Subject: RE: pc looping Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:49:56 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think you can do that in the new SONAR, is that right? > -----Original Message----- > From: lindsay@pavestone.com [mailto:lindsay@pavestone.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 11:31 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: pc looping > > > > >anybode seen this yet? > > > >http://www.ableton.com/ > > Yeah, I looked at this a while back. Problem is, I cannot see > any means to > capture live audio input in real-time and then begin looping. It seems > like Live 1.0 is just a more performance-oriented version of > ACID. Now, if > you could record live audio and then create tempo-matched, time-stretched > "clips" from that and THEN do all the things Live says it can do, well, > then I'd get excited. > > L > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 15:13:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26378; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:10:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:10:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009d01c0b88b$505422b0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <000801c0b81b$b6486740$4c93fc3f@user> Subject: Re: loop dumps Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:03:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > need some help on how to dump loops from plex to sequencer/sampler for recall for live preformance. > whats the best way to go,any suggestions The 'plex supports the MIDI sample dump, but it's too slow to be practical. I'd recommend capturing the real-time audio from the 'plex. The 'plex transmits a particular MIDI note-on command at the beginning of a loop and you can use that to trigger the loop capture. I've done this with my Kyma system as a four stage process: 1) state 1 - Wait for the user command to start 'plex capture. When this command occurs, goto state 2. 2) state 2 - Wait for MIDI note-on from 'plex that indicates loop beginning. When this MIDI event occurs, goto state 3. 3) state 3 - Begin recording audio stream from 'plex. When another MIDI event occurs (indicating loop beginning), goto state 4. 4) state 4 - Stop recording. 'Plex loop has been transferred. Do other stuff as necessary (I can optionally MUTE, CLEAR the current loop, or ERASE all loops on the 'plex.) Go to state 1. For my system, it's pretty automatic. You just touch a key to start the capture process. I've never used a traditional sampler so I don't know what is involved with capturing live audio. I hope this info helps... Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 15:48:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27651; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:45:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:45:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00af01c0b890$c8042490$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <006d01c0b883$b03f2a10$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <008d01c0b887$a85b8600$6b44230a@mlameyer02> Subject: Re: pda looping Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:42:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <5PvLeB.A.guG.e45w6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hmmm, yeah a little memory box with full duplex sound and midi > implementation (for control). A PDA with a pcmcia card slot > (and driver support for some sound card) and compaq flash would > do it. Once you had software that is. Anyone happen to know of > any pcmcia sound cards support by any pda os's? I found lots of info here: http://davespda.netfirms.com/index.htm especially for comparing different PDAs/PPCs. Looks to me like hardware would not be a problem. A PDA/PPC looper would probably be easiest to implement with Windows CE but I think there's more folks with Palm-OS. Digital Audio consumes a lot of memory so it would need to be one of the "bigger" PDAs/PPCs. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 16:36:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30313; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:35:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:35:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <028e01c0b896$d7c6a960$a96ea8c0@in.bootlegtv.com> From: "Kevin Goldsmith" To: References: <006d01c0b883$b03f2a10$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: pc looping Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 13:25:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Now would be a good time for someone to talk about Max/MSP...Or > > are all these Windoze people taking over the forum? :) > Whatever happened to the Max Windows port BTW? Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 16:37:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30492; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:36:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:36:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AC3AA57.E052B313@virtulink.com> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:34:15 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: droning questions References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com WKlein8318@aol.com wrote: > > In the spirit of the Tueffel and Glisstar thread, is anyone out > there aware of a manufacturer of electric sitars or guitars with > additional drone strings? > > I've never seen an actual sitar, but from photos it appears > the drones run under very large D shaped frets, with the melody > strings passing over the top of the metal arc of the D. > Is that accurate? Any DIYers ever try this? http://www.jerryjonesguitars.com/Master%20sitar.htm -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 16:38:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30176; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:34:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:34:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007d01c0e87e$f80d04e0$8d82e3a5@looppool> From: "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" To: References: <200103291930.OAA22772@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Windozing in the Sun Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 13:35:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mike wrote: "Now would be a good time for someone to talk about Max/MSP...Or are all these Windoze people taking over the forum? :)" Hi Mike, and let me preface this by saying "thanks for the Hard Drive recovery info and good luck with your Apple job prospects". O.K., let me rant: The whole Mac/Windows enmity is so tiring to me. He plays a stratocaster. She plays a les paul. Of course they can produce different and/or similar results. The only important question is: what do they do creatively with their tools and do we happen to like the results? End of story, as far as I'm concerned. Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 16:45:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31332; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:44:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:44:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.16.219.10] From: "Pete Mundt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: DEMF 2001!! Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:39:10 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Mar 2001 21:39:10.0765 (UTC) FILETIME=[B0D4CDD0:01C0B898] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thought some of you may be interseted in taking a look at the line up for this years Detroit Electronic Music Festival (DEMF): http://www.electronicmusicfest.com/lineup/index.html Pete. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 16:49:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31635; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:48:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:48:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@fixme From: "Darren Littlejohn" To: Subject: RE: re: wierd question Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 13:45:59 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <017501c0e81e$27a40f20$aa8ae3a5@looppool> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I should have known that Rick Walker would be on this list! He's responsible for my interest in looping, due to his show's at What Is Art. Thanks Rick! -d > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Walker (loop.pool) [mailto:GLOBAL@cruzio.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 2:03 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re:re: wierd question > > > Darren wrote in reply: > "The Streetlight Records in Santa Cruz, CA has a good section on > all kinds > of Middle Eastern, Indian, Brazilian, you name it. It may be worth a long > distance call to talk to the guy who stocks that section. He can > give you a > list of artists, most definitely." > > > The gentleman who orders for both the ethnic music section AND the > electronic section's name is John Connell. > I know, because I play middleastern music with him in an on > again/off again > duet project called AZIZAM (we performed at the very > first Santa Cruz Festival of Emerging Electronica) and also every week for > Palika's belly dance class. He is a very serious student of > Persian classical music (ney, zarb, setar and daf) as well as a > fascinating > and very innovative DJ (he uses records like a real time sampler > mixing them > through guitar effects pedals) and electronic musician. He even plays > electric guitar, bass and a little sitar. He is also an incredible comic > book artist to boot. > He is very knowledgeable and can help anyone out to find music in this > fabulous record store that we are lucky enough to have in our > little burg by the Monterey Bay. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 17:13:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01296; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:11:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:11:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:04:08 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: re: wierd question In-reply-to: <00b101c0e819$a0518f60$aa8ae3a5@looppool> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: <200103271621.LAA00480@hemlock.violacea.com> <00b101c0e819$a0518f60$aa8ae3a5@looppool> Resent-Message-ID: <36OA5D.A.0S.EK7w6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:30 AM -0700 5/29/01, Rick Walker (loop.pool) wrote: >There is a very creative artist out of San Francisco whose name is Cheb I >Shabbah who is doing a very cool blending of looping, Indian and >MiddleEastern music......... A few years ago I worked on a Sound Traffic Control gig at Club Townsend, with Cheb i Sabbah among the guest artists. In the middle of his set the sound system literally smoked - the SPL went from around 110 dB to room tone in an instant, while wisps of fried capacitor curled up from the Mackie 8-bus. Luckily we had a second console and quickly reconceived and reconfigured the system. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 17:13:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01416; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:12:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:12:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:09:48 -0500 Subject: EDP question -- what'd Gary win? From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gary -- You win my eternal gratitude! Thanks for the tip -- haven't had a chance to check it out yet, but sounds logical -- Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 17:32:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02296; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:26:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:26:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:24:19 -0500 From: Andrew Pask Subject: Re: pc looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <028e01c0b896$d7c6a960$a96ea8c0@in.bootlegtv.com> Message-ID: <20010329172431-r01010600-3f411aea@64.134.55.155> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.1.6 (Bluto) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:25 PM on 3/29/01 , kevin@unitcircle.com (Kevin Goldsmith) said > > > Now would be a good time for someone to talk about Max/MSP...Or > > > are all these Windoze people taking over the forum? :) > > > Whatever happened to the Max Windows port BTW? > > Kevin > Pretty quiet at the moment. Cycling'74 are about to release Max4 and MSP 2, which is a major upgrade, all sorts of cool new things to play with. They've got X on the horizon too. I think it'll happen one day, either that or the whole world will go over to Macs ;-) One thing I'll say for Cycling74, they never gave a firm release date. Why don't you just run it on a Windows Macintosh emulator? (hehehehehehe) Sorry about that, couldn't resist it. BTW, there is a Linux Mac emulator that works really well, unfortunately it's PPC only. A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 18:06:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04534; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:03:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:03:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010329180057.007efaf0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:00:57 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: droning questions In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <663VR.A.9FB.877w6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think you might mean Jerry Jones... He makes a Coral copy. At 12:21 PM 3/29/01 -0600, you wrote: >The most recent issue of Guitar Player has a review/infoblurb on someone's >recreation of the Coral Eclectric Sitar. Bob something. He used to do >Danalectro reissues, before Danalectro came back. Forget his name. >Anyway, I don't think the thing was that expensive. > >L > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 18:10:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04887; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:08:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:08:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: Re: droning questions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:02:08 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 03/29/2001 05:02:43 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bob. Jerry. Whatever. I'm in the middle of our year end audit. You'll have to forgive me my frazzled nature... Tim Nelson cc: Subject: Re: droning questions 03/29/01 05:00 PM Please respond to Loopers-Delig ht I think you might mean Jerry Jones... He makes a Coral copy. At 12:21 PM 3/29/01 -0600, you wrote: >The most recent issue of Guitar Player has a review/infoblurb on someone's >recreation of the Coral Eclectric Sitar. Bob something. He used to do >Danalectro reissues, before Danalectro came back. Forget his name. >Anyway, I don't think the thing was that expensive. > >L > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 18:27:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05598; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:25:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:25:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:14:58 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: McGill/Manring/Stevens w/Percy Jones in Baltimore Apr 7th Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Baltimore Progressive Rock Showcase Series Orion Studios 2903 Whittington Ave Baltimore MD Mcgill/Manring/Stevens with special guest Percy Jones April 7th 2001, 8pm Fusion guitarist Scott McGill has put together a powerful trio for a short tour featuring bass-monster Michael Manring (Michael Hedges, Cloud Chamber, Sadhappy, Henry Kaiser) and Vic Stevens (Bon, Gongzilla, Mistaken Identities) that is sure to sear the paint from the walls, so be sure to wear your SPF90000. For more info about Scott, see: http://ghostland.com/handfarm/ Opening the show will be another monster bassist, Percy Jones who is best known for his work over the years with Brand X and Brian Eno. Percy will be doing a solo looped bass performance. Admission to this all-ages show is $10 at the door on show night Directions to Orion -Take I-95 to exit 50, Caton Ave. (Just inside the south west side of the 695 beltway) -Take Caton Ave south to the third traffic light and turn left onto Washington Blvd -Go 1/4 mile up the hill to the U-Haul sign and turn right onto Inverness. -At the end of Inverness, turn left onto Whittington Ave. -Go to the end of the street and turn right into the parking lot at 2903 Whittington, in the Whittington Business Center. -Orion is on the right For more info visit http://www.progrock.net/ -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 18:29:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06016; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:28:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:28:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005601c0b8a7$a6e8d5a0$9e924e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: droning questions Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:26:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bill wrote: >In the spirit of the Tueffel and Glisstar thread, is anyone out >there aware of a manufacturer of electric sitars or guitars with >additional drone strings? There's a luthier who builds what he calls a "sympitar" which is a standard acoustic guitar (normal guitar frets) with internally placed sympathetic strings. See: http://www.beyondthetrees.com/sympb.htm >I've never seen an actual sitar, but from photos it appears >the drones run under very large D shaped frets, with the melody >strings passing over the top of the metal arc of the D. >Is that accurate? Any DIYers ever try this? What you described above is correct. However, on a sitar these raised, curved frets are so high above the neck that they serve as a fingerboard themselves. That is, the top of the fret is 1/2 inch above the neck, which is actually hollowed into a trough-like shape. The bridge (which is specially shaped to give that characteristic sitar twanginess) is correspondingly high as well. So there's no way you could ever actually touch the string to the "fingerboard" as on a guitar, violin, etc. The frets are raised and curved to facilitate the graceful, sliding glissando effect called "meend." On a good sitar one should be able to "bend" the main string a full fifth (e.g., from C to G) from any fret. Because this pulling features so prominently in sitar technique, there is quite a wide space between the highest string (the "main" string) and the end of the neck -- it would be as though the highest string on a guitar was the D string! When most string players see my sitar they want to know why there aren't *more* strings on it :-) The sympathetic strings, which have their own separate bridge, lie beneath the main playing strings (and under the frets). These strings run through small holes that have been drilled into the "fingerboard" and connect to friction pegs that run through the hollow neck. The neck is hollow not only to provide a place for the sympathetic string pegs, but also to increase the overall resonance of the instrument. The sympathetic strings are tuned to the notes of the scale that one is playing in, and get retuned for every different melody. I think it would be difficult if not impossible to do a full guitar conversion using sitar frets and sympathetic strings, because of the solid neck, as well as the height of the frets/bridge. Years ago a musician that I worked with bought a goofy used 60's relic called a "Rah-Zeetar" which was an electric "sitar" (looked like the real thing) with a resin/plastic "gourd" resonator and body, along with standard sitar frets, bridges, and pickups for both the main and sympathetic strings. However, the frets were fully chromatic (unlike a "real" sitar) and the stringing did not allow for the openly-tuned rhythm/drone strings called "chikari" on a standard sitar. I found it poorly set up for playing classical Indian music, since it seemed designed more to allow a guitarist to be able to just jump in and "play sitar" without having to learn an entirely new technique. I doubt that these are made any longer, but it might be worth looking into. Good luck, and remember, "it don't mean a thang if it ain't got that twang" James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 18:56:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06988; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:52:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:52:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Sender: simran@phys-ha2mpkb-16.Eng.Sun.COM Message-ID: <3AC3CA4C.31D52326@Sun.COM> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:50:36 -0800 From: Simran gleason Organization: Sun Microsystems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.7 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: McGill/Manring/Stevens w/Percy Jones in Baltimore Apr 7th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <84FNrB.A.msB.Qp8w6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can't speak for this show, but the last time I saw Manring (freight & salvage in berkeley with Danny Heines), he did an incredible bit with 3 basses and a pair of jammen. wore two of the basses and had an audience volunteer hold the third for him. A fun little bit of showmanship, with an awesome sound. He used the jammen on several other pieces as well. Simran > From: Adam Levin > Subject: McGill/Manring/Stevens w/Percy Jones in Baltimore Apr 7th > > > Fusion guitarist Scott McGill has put together a powerful trio for a short > tour featuring bass-monster Michael Manring (Michael Hedges, Cloud > Chamber, Sadhappy, Henry Kaiser) and Vic Stevens (Bon, Gongzilla, Mistaken > Identities) that is sure to sear the paint from the walls, so be sure to > wear your SPF90000. For more info about Scott, see: > http://ghostland.com/handfarm/ > > Opening the show will be another monster bassist, Percy Jones who is best > known for his work over the years with Brand X and Brian Eno. Percy will > be doing a solo looped bass performance. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 20:13:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10903; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 20:10:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 20:10:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: WKlein8318@aol.com Message-ID: <20.141798c2.27f5368e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 20:08:30 EST Subject: Re: AirFX To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 114 Resent-Message-ID: <6xWXAB.A.ypC.5y9w6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I REALLY like the AirFx. Not every patch is a winner, but you can get extreme timbral changes which is exactly what I've wanted for a long time. I've used it mostly with a bass...haven't had it for a long time, with more FX before and after. IMO you really need to process what's coming out for maximum tonal quality. I play mostly sitting on the floor, so the spare foot or knee provides the moving control element. The world's greatest wah pedal! I can see how the Kaos pad would be easier to use being 'set and forget' so to speak. But I kept hearing bad things about it's reliability...true or no? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 20:47:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11755; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 20:44:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 20:44:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010329194541.00797d40@dlcwest.com> X-Sender: was@dlcwest.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 19:45:41 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Garry Wasyliw Subject: wall wart grief Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <4eN_L.A.a3C.DT-w6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >A bit (!) off-topic, but I'm so sick of dealing with 10 wall warts and power >strips. My warts provide 9 VDC, 9 VAC, 12 VDC, and 12 VAC. I'm thinking that the solution might be to build a box with the various combinations inside and connect from jacks to my gear with DIY cords. I can build electronic things but I think I need a little primer on power supply design if anyone can recommend a basic web site. I think a 9VAC would just be a 120-9v transformer? For 9VDC, it would be about a 120-12VAC transformer to a rectifier and some capacitors? To reverse the polarity (another combination to watch for) do you just reverse the two output wires? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 21:49:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14421; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 21:46:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 21:46:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010330024437.62128.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:44:37 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Subject: Re: droning questions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sitars don't actually have any drone strings. The drone is provided in Indian music by another instrument - the tamboura or maybe a sruti box. The sitar has 3 or 4 main playing strings, 2 or 3 chikari or rhythm strings, and then 15 or so sympathetic strings underneath the main playing strings. The main purpose of the sympathetic strings is to resonate (sympathetically :-) with the notes being played on the main strings, thereby providing that 'shimmering' sound, and a very quiet slight echo. Occassionally a sitarist will use the grown-out fingernail of the pinky on the right hand to reach underneath the main playing strings and strum the sympathetic strings once or twice for effect, but this is done quite sparingly. John Mclaughlin used a custom acoustic guitar with a scalloped fingerboard and accompaniment strings something like a cross between the sympathetic and chikari strings. He talks more about it here: http://www.cs.cf.ac.uk/Dave/mclaughlin/art/return.html#gib Stephen --- WKlein8318@aol.com wrote: > In the spirit of the Tueffel and Glisstar thread, is > anyone out > there aware of a manufacturer of electric sitars or > guitars with > additional drone strings? > > I've never seen an actual sitar, but from photos it > appears > the drones run under very large D shaped frets, with > the melody > strings passing over the top of the metal arc of the > D. > Is that accurate? Any DIYers ever try this? > > Bill > ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 21:49:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14298; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 21:46:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 21:46:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010330024536.88420.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:45:36 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Subject: Re: wierd question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm interested - please post! stephen --- David Potter wrote: > I have seen Cheb I Shabbah several times at S.F. > parties...I will post his > gigs when I hear where he > is playing if you want.... ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 21:52:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14812; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 21:49:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 21:49:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010330024902.7187.qmail@web5101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:49:02 -0800 (PST) From: Alx Subject: OT: Steve Reich (music for 18...) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000801c0b81b$b6486740$4c93fc3f@user> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <0-XUWD.A.LlD.kQ_w6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, I have this question: I have seen on the Internet 2 versions of "Music for 18 musicians" by Steve Reich, one is from the 70īs with "the modern ensemble" and the other is for the record label "Nonesuch" and acoording to them this one was recorded in ī97, wich version is better if in fact they are different versions?, I would like to hear any comments on this īcause Iīm planning to buy that record. Thanks. Alx. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 22:03:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16267; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 22:00:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 22:00:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c0b8c5$1f411180$2b28059a@hal> Reply-To: "Christian Leduc" From: "Christian Leduc" To: References: <20010330024902.7187.qmail@web5101.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Steve Reich (music for 18...) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 21:57:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <4gJDXD.A.t9D.Ka_w6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I prefer the second version.. simply because of the quality of the recording.. The new version is longer (about 11 minutes I think)... One of my favourite discs even if my father and my friends hate it... :) I simply love it!!! :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alx" To: Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 9:49 PM Subject: OT: Steve Reich (music for 18...) > Hello, I have this question: I have seen on the > Internet 2 versions of "Music for 18 musicians" by > Steve Reich, one is from the 70īs with "the modern > ensemble" and the other is for the record label > "Nonesuch" and acoording to them this one was recorded > in ī97, wich version is better if in fact they are > different versions?, I would like to hear any comments > on this īcause Iīm planning to buy that record. > Thanks. > Alx. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 22:04:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16487; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 22:02:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 22:02:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010330030143.18877.qmail@web5102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 19:01:43 -0800 (PST) From: Alx Subject: re: wierd question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00b101c0e819$a0518f60$aa8ae3a5@looppool> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" wrote: > There is a very creative artist out of San Francisco > whose name is Cheb I > Shabbah who is doing a very cool blending of > looping, Indian and > MiddleEastern music.........i'd bet my bottom dollar > that is what you were > listening to. He not only has a new record out but > he also has > a remix of the record out (I believe). Also you can check out this record label: http://www.sixdegreesrecords.com/ Theyīre a SF based company and they have a really interesting catalog of world music (including Cheb I Shabbah), my favorites on that label are those under the Ziriguiboom label, really cool brazilian music mixed with electronica. Alex. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 22:10:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16846; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 22:08:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 22:08:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@fixme From: "Darren Littlejohn" To: Subject: RE: wierd question Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 19:08:56 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <20010330030143.18877.qmail@web5102.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, they put out some really cool compilation CDs so you can get a sampling of all the different artists. I don't know about you, but I would rather do that and pick who I like than spend $18 on a CD to find out it's not what I like. -d > -----Original Message----- > From: Alx [mailto:gendel777@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 7:02 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: re: wierd question > > > --- "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" > wrote: > > There is a very creative artist out of San Francisco > > whose name is Cheb I > > Shabbah who is doing a very cool blending of > > looping, Indian and > > MiddleEastern music.........i'd bet my bottom dollar > > that is what you were > > listening to. He not only has a new record out but > > he also has > > a remix of the record out (I believe). > > Also you can check out this record label: > http://www.sixdegreesrecords.com/ > Theyīre a SF based company and they have a really > interesting catalog of world music (including Cheb I > Shabbah), my favorites on that label are those under > the Ziriguiboom label, really cool brazilian music > mixed with electronica. > Alex. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 22:19:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17229; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 22:16:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 22:16:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 22:15:31 -0500 Subject: Re: AirFX From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20.141798c2.27f5368e@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 3/29/01 8:08 PM, WKlein8318@aol.com at WKlein8318@aol.com wrote: > > I REALLY like the AirFx. Not every patch is a winner, but you can get > extreme timbral changes which is exactly what I've wanted for a long time. > I've used it mostly with a bass...haven't had it for a long time, with more > FX before and after. IMO you really need to process what's coming out for > maximum tonal quality. I play mostly sitting on the floor, so the spare foot > or knee provides the moving control element. > > The world's greatest wah pedal! > > I can see how the Kaos pad would be easier to use being 'set and forget' so > to speak. But I kept hearing bad things about it's reliability...true or no? > > Not true for me, so far. It may depend on certain production runs, batches of parts, etc., but it is certainly not an across-the-board problem. The AirFX is not my favorite FX, but maybe I should try playing it with a 'spare knee'? DLM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 22:28:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17730; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 22:26:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 22:26:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 22:25:43 -0500 Subject: Re: wall wart grief From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010329194541.00797d40@dlcwest.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4oJ0i.A.yTE.wy_w6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, "build a box"--don't I know, I've spent years doing so. To eliminate a dozen warts of different types will cost you near a hundred bucks and more grief than you are planning on; I priced the parts, which is only the beginning. Today I ordered 9 and 12 VDC power blocks from Mouser Electronics (okay, also near a hundred bucks) which will handle 3-5 amps each (thanks to Will and Bret for advice) and will post when my gear lives or not! These puppies are only about 1 X 2 X 4 inches each, and I'm hopeful. Just need to wire a string of appropriate output jacks (watch the polarities for each!). DLM on 3/29/01 8:45 PM, Garry Wasyliw at was@dlcwest.com wrote: >> A bit (!) off-topic, but I'm so sick of dealing with 10 wall warts and power >> strips. My warts provide 9 VDC, 9 VAC, 12 VDC, and 12 VAC. > > I'm thinking that the solution might be to build a box with the various > combinations inside and connect from jacks to my gear with DIY cords. I > can build electronic things but I think I need a little primer on power > supply design if anyone can recommend a basic web site. I think a 9VAC > would just be a 120-9v transformer? For 9VDC, it would be about a > 120-12VAC transformer to a rectifier and some capacitors? To reverse the > polarity (another combination to watch for) do you just reverse the two > output wires? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 23:02:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19461; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:00:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:00:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mibeck@143.229.1.6 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 22:57:35 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Beck Subject: Re: wall wart grief Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just a note that several guitar-oriented manufacturers make power boxes that can replace 9v wall-warts. I got one used on eBay for like $20. Grounding issues, though - all the jacks are just connected in parallel. A beefier box that has transformer secondary isolated outputs can be had from Voodoo, I think, but for more like $200. I seem to recall there's a pretty cheap DIY 9v project with isolation on a guitar effects website somewhere. Okay, fine, I found it: http://www.geofex.com/Article_Folders/Spyder/spyder.htm Note that of course this will supply only 9v DC, but it might be a good starting point for a custom box. And if you don't go with isolated outputs, you should try to deal with the grounding - even if you just then wire up your effects with cables with floating shields on one end. Avoid ground loops! :) - Mike From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 23:16:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19884; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:15:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:15:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AC43175.E6726C25@home.com> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:10:45 -0800 From: Will Brake Organization: Soul Fruit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0407 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: wall wart grief References: <3.0.6.32.20010329194541.00797d40@dlcwest.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------D3543DCEDD10C0A0EC9675AA" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------D3543DCEDD10C0A0EC9675AA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Garry, Check out the post DLM put up. He has found several great solutions. Building a regulated supply (for stability sakes) requires filtering caps, bridge rectifiers (diodes), a quality transformer and some thought about design. You might even choose to add voltage regulators to your design and use a single power source to create multiple voltage taps. Need a center neg and have a center pos. Rewire the tip. Make sure you mark the supply with the modification information! Be Well Will Brake Soul Fruit --------------D3543DCEDD10C0A0EC9675AA Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="wbrake.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Will Brake Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="wbrake.vcf" begin:vcard n:Brake;Will tel;work:248-583-1856 x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http//www.soul-fruit.com org:Soul Fruit adr:;;2900 Rochester Road;Royal Oak;Michigan;48073;USA version:2.1 email;internet:wbrake@home.com title:Owner fn:Will Brake end:vcard --------------D3543DCEDD10C0A0EC9675AA-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 23:33:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20341; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:30:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:30:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 20:22:39 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: droning questions In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:21 PM -0600 3/29/01, lindsay@pavestone.com wrote: >The most recent issue of Guitar Player has a review/infoblurb on someone's >recreation of the Coral Eclectric Sitar. Bob something. He used to do >Danalectro reissues, before Danalectro came back. Forget his name. >Anyway, I don't think the thing was that expensive. The Jerry Jones Master Sitar . List price is $795.00, plus $120 for a case. The Baby Sitar is $595.00, plus $55 for a gig bag. At NAMM they were showing a new model that had regular tuning pegs for the sympathetic strings. Jerry's instrument is a dead ringer for the original Coral Electric Sitar, but it is reported to have better intonation. I like mine fine (it's on one cut of the Aias Zone CD), though the balance is neck-heavy. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 23:57:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20959; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:56:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:56:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Apparently-From: From: "Mike Feeney" To: Cc: Subject: RE: [ElectronicMusic] mp3.com Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:55:14 -0500 Message-ID: <000201c0b8d5$9bc1fb60$553c1118@muncie1.in.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <20010329150930.JMXJ21907.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@12345> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mine have usually taken only 2 or 3 days, but I haven't uploaded one in a few weeks... I'm definitely not a subscriber... I don't think there is a rhyme or reason to it. Possibly the genre? I have typically listed mine as pop/rock (might be considered more popular or important than those listed as "ambient" or some other non-top-40 genre?). Possibly also if it is something easily-identifiable to the approval folks like a pop song as opposed to something ambient, which to the average ear might "all sound the same," but not to us. ;) (I really hope that didn't come across wrong!!) =) Just a thought though, I'm definitely speculating. Might be an interesting experiment, to upload two songs in different genres (like pop/rock vs. ambient) and see how long each takes. -Mike www.mp3.com/mikefeeney -----Original Message----- From: WIll [mailto:bilg@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 9:59 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [ElectronicMusic] mp3.com Just a follow up .... My song uploaded the first of March, was posted yesterday.How long has it taken the rest of you? I'm wondering if there is an average wait time for those who chose not to subscribe. Will Green www.mp3.com/willgreen _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 23:58:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21006; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:56:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:56:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 20:45:22 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: pc looping In-reply-to: <028e01c0b896$d7c6a960$a96ea8c0@in.bootlegtv.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1226194748==_ma============" References: <006d01c0b883$b03f2a10$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <028e01c0b896$d7c6a960$a96ea8c0@in.bootlegtv.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1226194748==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 1:25 PM -0800 3/29/01, Kevin Goldsmith wrote: > > > Now would be a good time for someone to talk about Max/MSP...Or >> > are all these Windoze people taking over the forum? :) > > >Whatever happened to the Max Windows port BTW? http://www.cycling74.com/support/questionswin.html Q. Will you tell me when PC versions of your products are available? A. Yes. Send e-mail to pcrequest@cycling74.com and we'll let you know. Please specify which product you're interested in. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com --============_-1226194748==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: pc looping
At 1:25 PM -0800 3/29/01, Kevin Goldsmith wrote:
> >     Now would be a good time for someone to talk about Max/MSP...Or
> > are all these Windoze people taking over the forum? :)
>
Whatever happened to the Max Windows port BTW?

http://www.cycling74.com/support/questionswin.html


Q. Will you tell me when PC versions of your products are available?

A. Yes. Send e-mail to pcrequest@cycling74.com and we'll let you know. Please specify which product you're interested in.
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--============_-1226194748==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 30 00:32:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA23431; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 00:30:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 00:30:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200103300530.VAA05562@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 21:31:54 -0700 Subject: Re: Steve Reich (music for 18...) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id AAA23396 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i have both versions and they are both ~better~ goinloopy stanner ---------- >From: "Christian Leduc" >To: >Subject: Re: Steve Reich (music for 18...) >Date: Thu, Mar 29, 2001, 7:57 PM > >I prefer the second version.. simply because of the quality of the >recording.. The new version is longer (about 11 minutes I think)... One of >my favourite discs even if my father and my friends hate it... :) > >I simply love it!!! :) >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Alx" >To: >Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 9:49 PM >Subject: OT: Steve Reich (music for 18...) > > >> Hello, I have this question: I have seen on the >> Internet 2 versions of "Music for 18 musicians" by >> Steve Reich, one is from the 70īs with "the modern >> ensemble" and the other is for the record label >> "Nonesuch" and acoording to them this one was recorded >> in ī97, wich version is better if in fact they are >> different versions?, I would like to hear any comments >> on this īcause Iīm planning to buy that record. >> Thanks. >> Alx. >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. >> http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 30 00:38:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA23815; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 00:37:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 00:37:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012f01c0e8c2$ad6d6120$8d82e3a5@looppool> From: "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" To: References: <200103300147.UAA12006@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: re: what was that wierd question anyway? Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 21:40:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Darren Littlejohn wrote: "I should have known that Rick Walker would be on this list! He's responsible for my interest in looping, due to his show's at What Is Art. Thanks Rick!" You are more than welcome and thanks for the nod. yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 30 02:04:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA27682; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 02:02:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 02:02:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mibeck@143.229.1.6 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <007d01c0e87e$f80d04e0$8d82e3a5@looppool> References: <200103291930.OAA22772@hemlock.violacea.com> <007d01c0e87e$f80d04e0$8d82e3a5@looppool> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 02:00:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Beck Subject: Re: Windozing in the Sun Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>Now would be a good time for someone to talk about Max/MSP...Or >>are all these Windoze people taking over the forum? :) [...] > The whole Mac/Windows enmity is so tiring to me. He plays a >stratocaster. She plays a les paul. Of course they can produce >different and/or similar results. The only important question is: >what do they do creatively with their tools and do we happen to like the >results? End of story, as far as I'm concerned. Certainly not my intent to sow dissent. While my personal preference is very strongly Mac-side, I wasn't even really trying to bring that up. I was just poking fun at the recent 30-odd messages on Win sound apps. :) Well, not really. The real reason I threw the comment in was to emphasize the fact that Max/MSP is a Mac-only product, at least for the foreseeable future. For those of you not in the know, it really is a remarkable programming platform. And just wait until they release their looping tool! Full VST support, among other notables... And of course I agree very much with Rick: what you have isn't so much the point. How you use it is everything. A $30 RDS box can be used with more inventiveness and enjoyment than a fully loaded EDP. Then again, in the hands of a master, an EDP is a pretty serious beast :)...But in the end, it's all about the music. - Mike From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 30 02:37:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA28302; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 02:36:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 02:36:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <97.134943b3.27f590bc@aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 02:33:16 EST Subject: Re:wall wart dilema To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_97.134943b3.27f590bc_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows UK sub 58 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_97.134943b3.27f590bc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > !). I am very inclined to the "if you pass a dc > voltage into the rectifiers, they simply pass the current through" theory, > so if anyone here has experience with these specific devices going up in > smoke I'd appreciate hearing about it before I make the plunge. yes this was all discussed before. the theory is kind of sound, but with DC one half of the rectifier will be doing all the work as all the current will be going through that half. so as bret said "as long as the power r --part1_97.134943b3.27f590bc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
!).  I am very inclined to the "if you pass a dc
voltage into the rectifiers, they simply pass the current through" theory,
so if anyone here has experience with these specific devices going up in
smoke I'd appreciate hearing about it before I make the plunge.  

yes this was all discussed before.
the theory is kind of sound, but with DC one half of the rectifier
will be doing all the work as all the current will be going through
that half.
so as bret said "as long as the power r
--part1_97.134943b3.27f590bc_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 30 05:46:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA01770; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 05:44:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 05:44:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AC461DD.D8919ABF@cloud9.net> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 05:37:17 -0500 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Other electronicized third world instruments References: <200103300147.UAA12007@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A couple more links of electronic stringed instruments and percussion, inspired by originals in other parts of the world. Elby http://www.radelindia.com/ http://www.oud.net/electric.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 30 12:42:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17969; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 12:39:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 12:39:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <021601c0b800$db413b50$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <001701c0b7d4$f8420580$432078d8@prelayomb> <021601c0b800$db413b50$080210ac@jpalmer> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:40:12 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP question (Record-Next) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I have it set up for 2 loops. I want to record and playback loop 1 for a >> while; then record a new loop for loop 2; and return to playing loop 1 > > immediately after recording loop 2 with no repetition of loop 2. > >set loops param to 2 >end loop 2 record with nextloop instead of record. the upgrade will allow this. So far, Garys MIDI switch is a good work arround. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 30 13:22:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20087; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:20:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:20:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200103301817.KAA18503@proxy2.ba.best.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 10:12:41 -0800 Subject: Re: droning questions From: "Allan Hoeltje" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is there any eletronic FX box that can produce a sympathetic resonance similar to the sitar? I would imagine that you could program Kyma to do this but how about a more affordable unit? -Allan ---------- >From: Stephen > ... > The sitar has 3 or 4 main playing strings, 2 or 3 > chikari or rhythm strings, and then 15 or so > sympathetic strings underneath the main playing > strings. The main purpose of the sympathetic strings > is to resonate (sympathetically :-) with the notes > being played on the main strings, thereby providing > that 'shimmering' sound, and a very quiet slight echo. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 30 13:54:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21033; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:50:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:50:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006601c0b949$4ef05ba0$a96ea8c0@in.bootlegtv.com> From: "Kevin Goldsmith" To: References: Subject: Re: AirFX Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 10:43:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I played with the AirFX in a store for a while, but I had some real problems with it. The level difference between programs was really major. I kept making it squeal out, but had real issues trying to do something interesting sonically with it. Does it take a lot of practice to get used to? Kevin Unit Circle Media www.unitcircle.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 30 14:12:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22636; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:10:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:10:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 11:16:26 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: OT: Steve Reich (music for 18...) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA22552 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hello, I have this question: I have seen on the >Internet 2 versions of "Music for 18 musicians" by >Steve Reich, one is from the 70Ĩs with "the modern >ensemble" and the other is for the record label >"Nonesuch" and acoording to them this one was recorded >in Ĩ97, wich version is better if in fact they are >different versions?, I would like to hear any comments >on this Ĩcause IĨm planning to buy that record. >Thanks. >Alx. I like the Nonesuch (97) version better. I wore out several copies of the ECM 70's version on vinyl, but the Nonesuch version is immaculately recorded and performed. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org New & Improv Media http://www.newandimprov.com Now available: Admiral Twinkle Devil: Wabi Dub ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 30 14:27:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23192; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:25:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:25:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 11:29:20 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: AirFX Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I found that most (but not all) of the programs require you to constantly "work" the 3d space above the sensor to keep the effect modulating. And the results as a rule didn't seem worth the effort. The programs ranged from sounding o.k. to good, a few were disappointing, over all I couldn't see getting it despite the low price, Mark >I played with the AirFX in a store for a while, but I had some real problems >with it. The level difference between programs was really major. I kept >making it squeal out, but had real issues trying to do something interesting >sonically with it. Does it take a lot of practice to get used to? > > Kevin > >Unit Circle Media >www.unitcircle.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 30 14:27:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23140; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:24:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:24:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Todd Quincy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT steve howe Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:22:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0B94E.CAF70D70" Resent-Message-ID: <3FML0D.A.coF.c1Nx6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0B94E.CAF70D70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Howdy all! It seems like whenever there's a new ear candy effect processor or studio piece, pro musicians gravitate toward it with wide open arms and it becomes a vital part of their sound or recording process. Why isn't this true with looping devices? Looping is the future of music is it not? Can you imagine Steve Howe, Chris Squire, Pete Townshend, Paul Westerberg, or any great player or writer from the "old days" ...creating with a modern looper. When will History repeat itself? Todd Quincy openjam.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0B94E.CAF70D70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OT steve howe

Howdy all!

It seems like whenever there's a new = ear candy effect processor or studio piece, pro musicians gravitate = toward it with wide open arms and it becomes a vital part of their = sound or recording process. Why isn't this true with looping devices? =

Looping is the future of music is it = not?

Can you imagine Steve Howe, Chris = Squire, Pete Townshend, Paul Westerberg, or any great player or writer = from the "old days" ...creating with a modern looper.

When will History repeat = itself?

Todd Quincy
openjam.com

------_=_NextPart_001_01C0B94E.CAF70D70-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 30 14:34:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23513; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:33:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:33:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: OT steve howe Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:32:37 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When I saw Steve Howe solo and with Yes, he had a Jam Man. Didn't hear any obvious looping at all both nights. Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://www.hazardfactor.com Can you imagine Steve Howe, Chris Squire, Pete Townshend, Paul Westerberg, or any great player or writer from the "old days" ...creating with a modern looper. When will History repeat itself? Todd Quincy openjam.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 30 14:54:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24082; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:52:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:52:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 11:36:34 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: OT steve howe Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1226141499==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: <67CS_.A.V3F.YOOx6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1226141499==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >It seems like whenever there's a new ear candy effect processor or >studio piece, pro musicians gravitate toward it with wide open arms >and it becomes a vital part of their sound or recording process. Why >isn't this true with looping devices? Could you give an example of this in the context of the musicians (and genre/period) that you mentioned? For example, what piece of gear was introduced and then was taken by Townshend as a vital part of his sound and recording process? >Looping is the future of music is it not? um...i'm not going for this one. looping is fun and cool and all, and i like it very much, but as it being the 'future' of music is debatable. currently, it seems to be an integral part of a sound that is popular, and it's techniques and theories are being investigated by a larger group of people of quite diverse musical backgrounds. how people will use it for their own musical ends will be an interesting tapestry in the future of music...but only a part. imagine someone in, say, 1940 telling you what the future of music was at that time. would it hold up today? would have it held up even 25 years later? 10? don't think so. not too many people could have seen the future impact of people taking music to the next level, breaking boundaries and using a hybrid of styles to express themselves. how could anybody know beforehand what the future of music was before the impact of miles...elvis...willie dixon... sex pistols... beethoven... beck... townshend...public enemy... a host of others... you?...me?.... >Can you imagine Steve Howe, Chris Squire, Pete Townshend, Paul >Westerberg, or any great player or writer from the "old days" >...creating with a modern looper. I think that would be cool! I'm more familiar with Townshend than any of these other guys that you mentioned, but i would be stoked to hear Pete wander off into some unknown territory. instead, i just saw press about how horrible his hearing is, yet that's didn't stop them from reuniting once more to grab a little more of the green. bah humbug... >When will History repeat itself? right now. best, rich --============_-1226141499==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: OT steve howe
It seems like whenever there's a new ear candy effect processor or studio piece, pro musicians gravitate toward it with wide open arms and it becomes a vital part of their sound or recording process. Why isn't this true with looping devices?

Could you give an example of this in the context of the musicians (and genre/period) that you mentioned?  For example, what piece of gear was introduced and then was taken by Townshend as a vital part of his sound and recording process?

Looping is the future of music is it not?

um...i'm not going for this one.  looping is fun and cool and all, and i like it very much, but as it being the 'future' of music is debatable.  currently, it seems to be an integral part of a sound that is popular, and it's techniques and theories are being investigated by a larger group of people of quite diverse musical backgrounds.  how people will use it for their own musical ends will be an interesting tapestry in the future of music...but only a part.

imagine someone in, say, 1940 telling you what the future of music was at that time.  would it hold up today?  would have it held up even 25 years later?  10?

don't think so.  not too many people could have seen the future impact of people taking music to the next level, breaking boundaries and using a hybrid of styles to express themselves.  how could anybody know beforehand what the future of music was before the impact of miles...elvis...willie dixon... sex pistols... beethoven... beck... townshend...public enemy... a host of others... you?...me?....

Can you imagine Steve Howe, Chris Squire, Pete Townshend, Paul Westerberg, or any great player or writer from the "old days" ...creating with a modern looper.

I think that would be cool!  I'm more familiar with Townshend than any of these other guys that you mentioned, but i would be stoked to hear Pete wander off into some unknown territory.  instead, i just saw press about how horrible his hearing is, yet that's didn't stop them from reuniting once more to grab a little more of the green.  bah humbug...

When will History repeat itself?

right now.

best,

rich
--============_-1226141499==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 30 15:06:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25459; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 15:04:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 15:04:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AC4E6F6.DD215ABC@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 12:10:56 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: droning questions References: <200103301817.KAA18503@proxy2.ba.best.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Allan Hoeltje wrote: > Is there any eletronic FX box that can produce a sympathetic resonance > similar to the sitar? I would imagine that you could program Kyma to do > this but how about a more affordable unit? > > -Allan > > ---------- > >From: Stephen > > ... > > The sitar has 3 or 4 main playing strings, 2 or 3 > > chikari or rhythm strings, and then 15 or so > > sympathetic strings underneath the main playing > > strings. The main purpose of the sympathetic strings > > is to resonate (sympathetically :-) with the notes > > being played on the main strings, thereby providing > > that 'shimmering' sound, and a very quiet slight echo. > > for a cheap, but effective, if not terribly authentic drone, i sometimes will set my boss DD3 pedal to a very short delay time, with feedback almost full up (just shy of feedback) but the effect level backed off (to taste); this produces a "sympathetic" (or perhaps just pathetic) droning sound kinda like a sitar (no one very familiar with a real sitar's sound will mistake the two, but it is a fun effect to play with- very shimmery). i'd imagine a more sophisticated delay box would do that and more (i'm thinking that moog's analog unit would be really nice, for example); i haven't even tried it on the edp, which mainly gets used round here for loops, not delay... lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 30 15:55:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26801; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 15:52:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 15:52:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 12:50:23 -0800 Subject: Re: OT steve howe From: kevin To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3068801423_226252_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3068801423_226252_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 3/30/01 11:36 AM, rich at rich@nuvisionsca.com wrote: instead, i just saw press about how horrible his hearing is, yet that's didn't stop them from reuniting once more to grab a little more of the green. bah humbug... Huh? Explain this one to us. Beethoven couldn't hear the last performance of the ninth symphony except in his head. Does that win a "bah humbug" too? Roctologists --MS_Mac_OE_3068801423_226252_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: OT steve howe on 3/30/01 11:36 AM, rich at rich@nuvisionsca.com wrote:

instead, i just saw press about how horrible his hearing is, y= et that's didn't stop them from reuniting once more to grab a little more of= the green.  bah humbug...

Huh?  Explain this one to us.  Beethoven couldn't hear the last p= erformance of the ninth symphony except in his head.  Does that win a &= quot;bah humbug" too?

Roctologists --MS_Mac_OE_3068801423_226252_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 30 16:06:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28118; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:04:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:04:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c0b91a$9e4febe0$4d51ffd1@user> From: "aurlite" To: Subject: loop dump Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 08:09:12 -0500 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0B8F0.B485BFE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0B8F0.B485BFE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello, i have a plexpro.=20 i am interested in saving the loops I create but, am not having much = luck.=20 the info in the instructions are not very detailed. anybody have a quick and easy way to go about doing this Thanks Jim ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0B8F0.B485BFE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
  hello,
 
i have a plexpro.
 
i am interested in saving the loops I create but, am not having = much luck.=20
the info in the instructions are not very detailed.
anybody have a quick and easy way to go about doing this
 
Thanks
 
Jim
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0B8F0.B485BFE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 30 16:16:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28370; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:14:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:14:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c0b95e$57840c70$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <000c01c0b91a$9e4febe0$4d51ffd1@user> Subject: Re: loop dump Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:14:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Jim, > i am interested in saving the loops I create but, am not having much luck. > the info in the instructions are not very detailed. What have you tried so far? What kind of equipment are you trying to save to? What do you want to do with the saved loops? Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 30 16:17:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28536; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:16:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:16:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PaulPokr@aol.com Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:14:47 EST Subject: Re: OT was steve howe ; Now Grab a bit of the Green To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <12.ae7cc43.27f65148@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Speaking of grabbing a bit of the green, how would like to see the Rolling Stones in concert? Kee-rist! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 30 16:28:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28798; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:26:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:26:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AC4FA01.1853689D@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:26:27 -0500 From: steve Reply-To: studio_t@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT was steve howe ; Now Grab a bit of the Green References: <12.ae7cc43.27f65148@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com while not speaking to the artistry of steve howe or the rolling stones why is it they shouldn't still be playing or for that matter still making money? is it an age thing? are we suddenly supposed to stop being musicians at some point? are the people that want to hear them somehow not deserving of the oportunity as much as people who want to hear bands you like or think are age appropriate? I hope I die before I get old! but if I don't....I hope I can still play and even make a little money From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 30 16:31:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29161; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:30:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:30:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:14:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: pete's ears (was: OT steve howe) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1226135606==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: <0NpnFB.A.OGH.dqPx6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1226135606==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" hmmm...sorry...just spouting off on a subject i really don't care that much about...why? cuz i can, i guess. isn't email wonderful? I read a couple of articles about Mr. Pete prior to their last tour. Apparently, he has acute tinnitus (sp?), which causes him to be in alot of pain if exposed to above normal sound levels. Then the tour gets announced, with outlandish ticket and paraphenalia prices. do we all need to hear Roger and Pete and Co. do the 'best of' thing once again? rumor had it that the last couple of tours were motivated by Entwistle's debt. i'll step off here...i love the early who (especially the mod/high numbers shit), but personally i can't stomach them past the departure of moon. no offense intended. on the beethoven thing...hmmm...sure...bah humbug. :) wonder if deaf ol' ludwig was counting the cash in his head from the t-shirt and book sales happening out in the lobby. two pennies, rich >on 3/30/01 11:36 AM, rich at rich@nuvisionsca.com wrote: > >instead, i just saw press about how horrible his hearing is, yet >that's didn't stop them from reuniting once more to grab a little >more of the green. bah humbug... > > >Huh? Explain this one to us. Beethoven couldn't hear the last >performance of the ninth symphony except in his head. Does that win >a "bah humbug" too? > >Roctologists --============_-1226135606==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" pete's ears (was: OT steve howe)
hmmm...sorry...just spouting off on a subject i really don't care that much about...why?  cuz i can, i guess.  isn't email wonderful?

I read a couple of articles about Mr. Pete prior to their last tour.  Apparently, he has acute tinnitus (sp?), which causes him to be in alot of pain if exposed to above normal sound levels.

Then the tour gets announced, with outlandish ticket and paraphenalia prices.  do we all need to hear Roger and Pete and Co. do the 'best of' thing once again?   rumor had it that the last couple of tours were motivated by Entwistle's debt.

i'll step off here...i love the early who (especially the mod/high numbers shit), but personally i can't stomach them past the departure of moon.

no offense intended.  on the beethoven thing...hmmm...sure...bah humbug.  :)
wonder if deaf ol' ludwig was counting the cash in his head from the t-shirt and book sales happening out in the lobby.

two pennies,

rich


on 3/30/01 11:36 AM, rich at rich@nuvisionsca.com wrote:
instead, i just saw press about how horrible his hearing is, yet that's didn't stop them from reuniting once more to grab a little more of the green.  bah humbug...

Huh?  Explain this one to us.  Beethoven couldn't hear the last performance of the ninth symphony except in his head.  Does that win a "bah humbug" too?

Roctologists

--============_-1226135606==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 30 16:49:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29445; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:41:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:41:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB033@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: pete's ears (was: OT steve howe) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:37:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0B961.97D30850" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0B961.97D30850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" no offense intended. on the beethoven thing...hmmm...sure...bah humbug. :) wonder if deaf ol' ludwig was counting the cash in his head from the t-shirt and book sales happening out in the lobby. ** don't care either way about the who and their money - - beethoven's letters are an interesting read as many of them are to his publishers and go on and on about money; so much so that i soon became bored. reality intrudes on even the most sublime of artists . . . unless you have a trust fund! stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0B961.97D30850 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" pete's ears (was: OT steve howe)
 

no offense intended.  on the beethoven thing...hmmm...sure...bah humbug.  :)
wonder if deaf ol' ludwig was counting the cash in his head from the t-shirt and book sales happening out in the lobby.

 
 
** don't care either way about the who and their money - -
 
beethoven's letters are an interesting read as many of them are to his publishers and go on and on about money; so much so that i soon became bored. reality intrudes on even the most sublime of artists . . . unless you have a trust fund!
 
stig
------_=_NextPart_001_01C0B961.97D30850-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 30 17:12:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31065; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:03:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:03:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: RE: AirFX Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 00:01:30 +0200 Message-ID: <001001c0b964$faad8d80$0301a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I found that most (but not all) of the programs require you > to constantly > "work" the 3d space above the sensor to keep the effect > modulating. And the > results as a rule didn't seem worth the effort. Right, and the reason for this is that this unit is designed for DJs, not musicians (just look at 'em stupid RCA plugs !). And DJs are used to work the FX fader with one hand (the crossfader), while modulating the effect (scratching) with the other... Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 30 17:35:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31674; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:26:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:26:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KB305@aol.com Message-ID: <44.c948c44.27f661c1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:25:05 EST Subject: Re: OT steve howe etc To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_44.c948c44.27f661c1_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10513 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_44.c948c44.27f661c1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 03/30/2001 1:52:31 PM Central Standard Time, rich@nuvisionsca.com writes: > For example, what piece of gear was introduced and then was taken by > Listen to 'Baba O'Riley', and dig how he used the synthesizer. It was a relatively new piece of gear. If anyone had thought of using it that way before, well, had they recorded it yet? To think that old (50+!) musicians have nothing to say is similar to thinking that young musicians have nothing to say. I mean, does this apply to, say, Wayne Shorter, who is past 60? Or John McLaughlin, who is 56 or 57? Kenny Wheeler? Derek Bailey? Keith Jarrett? (How old is Torn?) As far as Howe goes, well, hey, his playing in the early 70s was a big jaw-dropper motivator for me as a kid, and one reason I bought an ES-175 at age 17... Whether he loops or not isn't important to me this afternoon. Granted, I wouldn't buy anything he's recorded lately, but he gets props from me. And: Money is a poor motivation for making music, but so are drugs and sex. Those are not exclusive to old guys. Should ever I win the lottery, I'll keep playing until it's all gone. Just play. kevin --part1_44.c948c44.27f661c1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 03/30/2001 1:52:31 PM Central Standard Time,
rich@nuvisionsca.com writes:


For example, what piece of gear was introduced and then was taken by
Townshend as a vital part of his sound and recording process?
Listen to 'Baba O'Riley', and dig how he used the synthesizer.  It was a
relatively new piece of gear.  If anyone had thought of using it that way
before, well, had they recorded it yet?

To think that old (50+!) musicians have nothing to say is similar to thinking
that young musicians have nothing to say.  I mean, does this apply to, say,
Wayne Shorter, who is past 60?  Or John McLaughlin, who is 56 or 57?  Kenny
Wheeler?  Derek Bailey?  Keith Jarrett?  (How old is Torn?)  

As far as Howe goes, well, hey, his playing in the early 70s was a big
jaw-dropper motivator for me as a kid, and one reason I bought an ES-175 at
age 17... Whether he loops or not isn't important to me this afternoon.  
Granted, I wouldn't buy anything he's recorded lately, but he gets props from
me.

And: Money is a poor motivation for making music, but so are drugs and sex.  
Those are not exclusive to old guys.  Should ever I win the lottery, I'll
keep playing until it's all gone.

Just play.

kevin --part1_44.c948c44.27f661c1_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 30 17:49:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32452; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:40:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:40:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:25:09 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: OT was steve howe ; Now Grab a bit of the Green Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >why is it they shouldn't still be playing or for that matter still >making money? are they moving forward? are they creating something that is stimulating in the here and now? or is it regurgitating material from a different time and space that we have attached positive feelings to, and we feel some need to go back to that headspace? (go see 'almost famous'...it's kinda like that) I don't have any problem with option 1...option 2 becomes questionable...especially at the current ticket prices. but, hey...look at the lemmings go! sold out! woo hoo! >is it an age thing? are we suddenly supposed to stop being musicians at >some point? >are the people that want to hear them somehow not deserving of the >oportunity as much as people who want to hear bands you like or think >are age appropriate? no, it's definitely not an age thing. If Eno was performing locally, i'd pay a good amount of money to see him. Or Klaus Schultz, or alot of other people who aren't playing a greatest hits set. >I hope I die before I get old! >but if I don't....I hope I can still play and even make a little money go for it. all the best. rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 30 17:52:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32556; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:44:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:44:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200103302241.OAA03657@proxy2.ba.best.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:49:04 -0800 Subject: Re: droning questions From: "Allan Hoeltje" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3068808545_1087292_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3068808545_1087292_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Someone pointed out to me via direct email (thank you Mr. Hoover! :-) that a Sustainiac Stealth or Stealth Plus could make several strings drone. Indeed he is right. I have the Sustainiac Model B attached to the neck of my 12 string Stick and sometimes I will hold a chord in the bass with one hand and play single notes on the melody until I get things vibrating all over. It is very cool with the EDP on a 10 second overdub and feedback set to 50%. (Jane calls it my "whale music".) While I do like this effect it would still be neat if there was a "sympathetic string vibration symulator." My guess is it would require really good pitch detection and then resonate selected harmonics of the fundamental and them pump those into a long subtle reverb. Hmmm, actually the GT-3 might be able to do this but would be limited to just two harmonics - gotta give this a try. Thanks, Lance, for the short delay sugestion - will try that also. -Allan --MS_Mac_OE_3068808545_1087292_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: droning questions Someone pointed out to me via direct email (thank you Mr. Hoover! :-) t= hat a
Sustainiac Stealth or Stealth Plus could make several strings drone.  = Indeed
he is right.  I have the Sustainiac Model B attached to the neck of my= 12
string Stick and sometimes I will hold a chord in the bass with one hand an= d
play single notes on the melody until I get things vibrating all over. &nbs= p;It
is very cool with the EDP on a 10 second overdub and feedback set to 50%. (Jane calls it my "whale music".)

While I do like this effect it would still be neat if there was a
"sympathetic string vibration symulator."  My guess is it wo= uld require
really good pitch detection and then resonate selected harmonics of the
fundamental and them pump those into a long subtle reverb.  Hmmm, actu= ally
the GT-3 might be able to do this but would be limited to just two harmonic= s
- gotta give this a try.

Thanks, Lance, for the short delay sugestion - will try that also.

-Allan

 --MS_Mac_OE_3068808545_1087292_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 30 17:59:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32428; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:40:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:40:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB034@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: OT steve howe etc Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:38:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0B96A.23319DA0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0B96A.23319DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Listen to 'Baba O'Riley', and dig how he used the synthesizer. It was a relatively new piece of gear. If anyone had thought of using it that way before, well, had they recorded it yet? ** wasn't moon the guy who did the synth for that? stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0B96A.23319DA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
 


Listen to 'Baba O'Riley', and dig how he used the synthesizer.  It was a
relatively new piece of gear.  If anyone had thought of using it that way
before, well, had they recorded it yet? 
 
** wasn't moon the guy who did the synth for that?
 
stig 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C0B96A.23319DA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 30 18:05:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00441; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:52:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:52:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB034@migarexch01.maritz.com> References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB034@migarexch01.maritz.com> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:37:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: RE: OT steve howe etc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1226130620==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1226130620==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Listen to 'Baba O'Riley', and dig how he used the synthesizer. It was a >relatively new piece of gear. If anyone had thought of using it that way >before, well, had they recorded it yet? > >** wasn't moon the guy who did the synth for that? > >stig it seems to me that some of the 60's and 70's rock bands didn't have access to expensive equipment until they hit the studio under the financing of the record label. there they were introduced to new equipment only affordable to the large studios, and they were able to play and experiment with stuff they had never dreamed of having. once they were putting on large tours, then some of that expensive gear now became part of the band and got hauled along. am i way off base here? looping at that time was tape looping, and pretty much only affordable to a large studio as well (15ips is alot of tape to move!). seems there was a certain amount of that going on, but alot of these bands were more interested in doing a hit song than experimenting with a medium. more pennies...gotta go. rich --============_-1226130620==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" RE: OT steve howe etc
Listen to 'Baba O'Riley', and dig how he used the synthesizer.  It was a
relatively new piece of gear.  If anyone had thought of using it that way
before, well, had they recorded it yet? 
 
** wasn't moon the guy who did the synth for that?
 
stig 

it seems to me that some of the 60's and 70's rock bands didn't have access to expensive equipment until they hit the studio under the financing of the record label.  there they were introduced to new equipment only affordable to the large studios, and they were able to play and experiment with stuff they had never dreamed of having.  once they were putting on large tours, then some of that expensive gear now became part of the band and got hauled along.  am i way off base here?

looping at that time was tape looping, and pretty much only affordable to a large studio as well (15ips is alot of tape to move!).  seems there was a certain amount of that going on, but alot of these bands were more interested in doing a hit song than experimenting with a medium.

more pennies...gotta go.

rich
--============_-1226130620==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 30 18:10:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00463; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:53:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:53:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003301c0b96c$190469a0$b683abd4@LucaFormentini> From: "luca" To: References: <3AC3AA57.E052B313@virtulink.com> Subject: Zendrum & other Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 00:52:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com a friend of mine wants to sell his Zendrum. we are in Italy .... if anyone is interested can mail me directly. I remember someone linked to the list the review of a new effect that was on Harmony's central Namm pages during the show: something between a modular multieffect and a synthesizer.... it was green.... maybe from germany.... I really don't remember. I've lost all my mail archive and bookmarks, I need to rebuild my identity... nice thing to do from time to time. luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 30 18:28:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02625; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 18:26:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 18:26:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AC51565.9350735A@ernieball.com> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 15:23:17 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Drum machine set up for looping rack References: <200103281945.OAA12679@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: <00wIMD.A.Pm.AYRx6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Denis- I use two Oberheim DX's; one with factory MIDI in/out, and the other with MIDI out only on the Stretch option. Stretch is the clock master and sets the tempo. I use MIDI out on the other DX to sync a Jomox XBase 09, and then use its MIDI thru to sync an EDP (now we're on topic). If I am playing bass, it is generally just to create a loop, so I just run each machine into its own channel and generally mix them with the master level controls on the drum machines. One possible solution for you could be to use, for example, an Ernie Ball Stereo/Pan Volume Pedal to pan between the left and right channels of your DR-5. The 500K resistance may not be ideal for line level, but it should work. Alternatively, a Boss SE-70 effects processor has a two-channel mixer as one of its patches, which is controllable via footpedal. On the cheap, you could even use an A/B switch to switch between the two, as long as you didn't want to hear both at once. I think there's even an A/B/A+B box out there somewhere, although it would be easy enough to build your own. -Hans > > > Hans, > You indicate you use up to three drum machines. How do you route the > signals? I am a guitarist and don't want to play a mixer at the same time, > so a foot operated fader may work for me. I could possibly see a crossfader > set up to for left/right outputs of a Dmachine going into 2 channels of a > mixer and using a second Dmachine (an old DIY sync one) going in separately > into a third channel. This would get around the start pointers and allow > the second Dmachine to be independently started and stopped. > > On thing I like about this is being able to add separate effects. Blending > traditional Dsets with a set ran through a pitchshift program to get a more > industrial sound, is one option I like a lot. > Using the second Dmachine for hand drum 3/2,2/3 son parts would be cool. > IMHO Bet none of the old units had any sounds for this style, though. > > Tell me a little about your setup, if you would. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 30 19:14:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04662; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 19:12:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 19:12:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012f01c0b976$7aac8520$0600a8c0@mlameyer02> X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <200103281945.OAA12679@hemlock.violacea.com> <3AC51565.9350735A@ernieball.com> Subject: Re: Drum machine set up for looping rack - another cheap idea (or expensive cheap idea?) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 19:06:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <-IdKX.A.cIB.cDSx6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oo! This thread is so inspiring for me! Maybe I'm the only one that hasn't tried this stuff before. Okay, so take two drum machines snyched up together, or rather to a common clock. Now, imagine you could compose a drum pattern on one and get a midi dump of that, run it through some midi processor (Max et. al. - or something like Harvey Starr's EventStation maybe?) which would remake or rearrange the pattern according to either pre-programmed parameters or some kind of live input (hmmm ...), and then dump the reconstituted pattern to the other drum machine, crossfade between the two or what have you ... ooo, and then use two stereo triggered gates opening and closing out of synch ... Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans Lindauer" To: Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 6:23 PM Subject: Re: Drum machine set up for looping rack > Hi Denis- > > I use two Oberheim DX's; one with factory MIDI in/out, and the other with MIDI out only on the > Stretch option. Stretch is the clock master and sets the tempo. I use MIDI out on the other DX to > sync a Jomox XBase 09, and then use its MIDI thru to sync an EDP (now we're on topic). > > If I am playing bass, it is generally just to create a loop, so I just run each machine into its own > channel and generally mix them with the master level controls on the drum machines. One possible > solution for you could be to use, for example, an Ernie Ball Stereo/Pan Volume Pedal to pan between > the left and right channels of your DR-5. The 500K resistance may not be ideal for line level, but > it should work. Alternatively, a Boss SE-70 effects processor has a two-channel mixer as one of its > patches, which is controllable via footpedal. On the cheap, you could even use an A/B switch to > switch between the two, as long as you didn't want to hear both at once. I think there's even an > A/B/A+B box out there somewhere, although it would be easy enough to build your own. > > -Hans > > > > > > > > Hans, > > You indicate you use up to three drum machines. How do you route the > > signals? I am a guitarist and don't want to play a mixer at the same time, > > so a foot operated fader may work for me. I could possibly see a crossfader > > set up to for left/right outputs of a Dmachine going into 2 channels of a > > mixer and using a second Dmachine (an old DIY sync one) going in separately > > into a third channel. This would get around the start pointers and allow > > the second Dmachine to be independently started and stopped. > > > > On thing I like about this is being able to add separate effects. Blending > > traditional Dsets with a set ran through a pitchshift program to get a more > > industrial sound, is one option I like a lot. > > Using the second Dmachine for hand drum 3/2,2/3 son parts would be cool. > > IMHO Bet none of the old units had any sounds for this style, though. > > > > Tell me a little about your setup, if you would. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 30 19:46:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05313; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 19:45:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 19:45:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AC5291D.B773E38E@virtulink.com> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 19:47:25 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT steve howe etc References: <44.c948c44.27f661c1@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > For example, what piece of gear was introduced and then was taken by > Townshend as a vital part of his sound and recording process? > > > > Listen to 'Baba O'Riley', and dig how he used the synthesizer. It was a > relatively new piece of gear. If anyone had thought of using it that way > before, well, had they recorded it yet? Baba O'Riley was a tribute to early looper Terry Riley. -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 30 19:48:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05578; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 19:47:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 19:47:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AC5297D.D67A7892@virtulink.com> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 19:49:01 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: droning questions References: <200103302241.OAA03657@proxy2.ba.best.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4-4uyC.A.eTB.ijSx6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Allan Hoeltje wrote: > > Someone pointed out to me via direct email (thank you Mr. Hoover! :-) > that a > Sustainiac Stealth or Stealth Plus could make several strings drone. > Indeed > he is right. I have the Sustainiac Model B attached to the neck of my > 12 > string Stick and sometimes I will hold a chord in the bass with one > hand and > play single notes on the melody until I get things vibrating all over. > It > is very cool with the EDP on a 10 second overdub and feedback set to > 50%. > (Jane calls it my "whale music".) > > While I do like this effect it would still be neat if there was a > "sympathetic string vibration symulator." My guess is it would > require > really good pitch detection and then resonate selected harmonics of > the > fundamental and them pump those into a long subtle reverb. Hmmm, > actually > the GT-3 might be able to do this but would be limited to just two > harmonics > - gotta give this a try. > > Thanks, Lance, for the short delay sugestion - will try that also. Tune the open strings to the harmonics. And there's a world of harmonics out there... -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 30 19:53:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06040; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 19:51:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 19:51:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01ba01c0b97c$bb031ac0$49af5cd1@-> To: From: "Bill Fox" Subject: EMUSIC Top 20 Playlist for March Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 19:51:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 report to New Age Voice and CD Revolutions for March, 2001. Shows #205 to #209; 22-February-2001 to 22-March-2001 Reported in non-ranked order. Compiled by Bill Fox, billfox@fast.net CONTACT: billfox@fast.net ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL ============================ Ashera - Ambient Selections - none Cosmic Hoffmann - Shiva Connection - Heart and Mind Deep Chill Network - Yukon - Dark Duck Kit Watkins - Beauty Drifting - mp3.com Kubusschnitt - The Singularity - Neu Harmony Markus Reuter - Digitalis - Hypnos Pete Namlook & Peter Prochir - Possible Gardens - FAX Radio Massacre Int'l. - Knutsford in May - Centaur Robert Rich - Somnium Radio Edits - Hypnos Robert Scott Thompson - Alchemy - Aucourant Robert Scott Thompson - Blue Day - Aucourant Robert Scott Thompson - Cloud Cover - Aucourant Robert Scott Thompson - The Silent Shore - Mirage Something Completely Different - Promotion Disc 2 - none Spacecraft - Summer Town - SpaceForMusic.com Steve Roach - Early Man - Projekt Syndromeda In Chaos - Syndromeda In Chaos - EMMA Thomas Ronkin - Symmetric - Tristissima Various Artists - Tracks Across the Universe - Jim Brenholts vidnaObmana - Subterranean Collective - Projekt Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox *** To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list:, send email to: emusic-wdiy-subscribe@yahoogroups.com *** From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 30 20:42:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08213; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 20:40:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 20:40:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01ed01c0b983$b60662a0$49af5cd1@-> To: From: "Bill Fox" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #210 Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 20:41:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <5nNCxD.A.a_B.uVTx6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed with a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #210 March 29, 2001. RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Robert Scott Thompson, an Associate Professor of Music at Georgia State University in Atlanta where he is also the director of CARA, the Center for Audio Recording Arts. Robert has releases in several genres and on many labels. The feature CD at Midnight was "In Ruins" on his own Aucourant label. Robert says that this was the world premier of this CD on radio! I also played music by James Johnson and Baird Hersey as a preview to the next Gathering. James is a solo act and Baird is the leader of Prana, an eight member group led by Baird. They employ overtone singing methods. In the first hour of EMUSIC, I conducted a live phone interview with James Johnson. This was a special event to celebrate the start of WDIY's "Hurry On Spring" Membership Campaign. You can use our secure web page to make your pledge today! Robert Scott Thompson http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2001/focus01.html#mar The Gathering http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm RAMP Intrip Nodular (Manikin) James Johnson Floating and Dreaming Linger (mp3.com) Interview with James Johnson James Johnson and Lost at Dunn's Lake * Lost at Dunn's Lake (Zero Music) Stephen Philips Baird Hersey 1st Chakra Waking the Cobra (Hersey Music) Dweller at the Threshold Resolution Advance CDR (none) 12:00 am Robert Scott Thompson Across the Moors In Ruins (Aucourant) Robert Scott Thompson Shadowed Hill Enlace In Ruins (Aucourant) Robert Scott Thompson Circle and Star In Ruins (Aucourant) Robert Scott Thompson Dream Visions In Ruins (Aucourant) Robert Scott Thompson A Hidden Clen In Ruins (Aucourant) Robert Scott Thompson Hologram In Ruins (Aucourant) Robert Scott Thompson Appartional In Ruins (Aucourant) Robert Scott Thompson Shades of Light In Ruins (Aucourant) Robert Scott Thompson Gleann Aireamh * In Ruins (Aucourant) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll preempt all five hours of World Radio Network in order to present a complete playing of Robert Rich's new seven-hour DVD "Somnium." Just pretend it's one of Robert's Sleep Concerts and have your radio on low all night long. One autographed copy of "Somnium" will be available as a thank you gift to the first person to pledge $150 during the show. The following week will begin the Special Focus for April on James Johnson. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox *** To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list:, send email to: emusic-wdiy-subscribe@yahoogroups.com *** From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 30 20:55:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08740; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 20:51:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 20:51:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AC4C7F1.851FB08E@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:52:49 +0000 From: joe & sheila Reply-To: onelonecrow@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: droning questions References: <200103301817.KAA18503@proxy2.ba.best.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0TcTR.A.pGC.HgTx6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I beleive this site was posted just a few days back. I'm not sure if this is what your looking for, you might want to check it out. http://www.radelindia.com/products.htm best, joe Allan Hoeltje wrote: > Is there any eletronic FX box that can produce a sympathetic resonance > similar to the sitar? I would imagine that you could program Kyma to do > this but how about a more affordable unit? > > -Allan > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 30 23:32:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15414; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 23:31:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 23:31:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000101c0b99b$1a858000$09a46fd4@dolly> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: Subject: Re: droning questions Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 23:06:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was surprised to see a number of guitars with sympathetic strings in Tin Pan Alley, (London) the other day. Didn't get any manufacturer's names but there was a thing calling itself an electric sitar with 12 sympathetic strings under a Perspex cover and a sitar type bridge. Tuning of the extra strings was done with a sort of autoharp/dulcimer key. Another type of guitar ran the sympathetic strings at an angle to the main guitar strings and under them, where they intersected. It had a protruding pseudo-neck coming out at an angle along which the sympathetic strings ran. That was about Ģ300. Gareth > In the spirit of the Tueffel and Glisstar thread, is anyone out > there aware of a manufacturer of electric sitars or guitars with > additional drone strings? > > I've never seen an actual sitar, but from photos it appears > the drones run under very large D shaped frets, with the melody > strings passing over the top of the metal arc of the D. > Is that accurate? Any DIYers ever try this? > > Bill > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 30 23:33:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15418; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 23:31:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 23:31:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000001c0b99b$19ccde60$09a46fd4@dolly> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <200103301817.KAA18503@proxy2.ba.best.com> Subject: Re: droning questions Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 22:56:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Any delay line capable of producing a delay shorter than - say 100th of a second will do this. Flangers with their lfo's disabled work fine. I used to get a pretty convincing bagpipe drone with an Ebow and an electric mistress flanger with the lfo knocked off some time ago. Tuning can be tricky with an analogue device like that but my Boss SE50 worked a treat. The effect is exaggerated using feedback. The Alseis Quadraverb had an effect called resonance, (or something) which could be made to sequence resonant frequencies triggered by midi events - great fun : ) Gareth > Is there any eletronic FX box that can produce a sympathetic resonance > similar to the sitar? I would imagine that you could program Kyma to do > this but how about a more affordable unit? > > -Allan > > ---------- > >From: Stephen > > ... > > The sitar has 3 or 4 main playing strings, 2 or 3 > > chikari or rhythm strings, and then 15 or so > > sympathetic strings underneath the main playing > > strings. The main purpose of the sympathetic strings > > is to resonate (sympathetically :-) with the notes > > being played on the main strings, thereby providing > > that 'shimmering' sound, and a very quiet slight echo. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 30 23:43:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15924; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 23:42:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 23:42:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AC560B5.8D98E360@virtulink.com> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 23:44:37 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: droning questions References: <000101c0b99b$1a858000$09a46fd4@dolly> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com whiteoakstudios wrote: > > I was surprised to see a number of guitars with sympathetic strings in Tin > Pan Alley, (London) the other day. Didn't get any manufacturer's names but > there was a thing calling itself an electric sitar with 12 sympathetic > strings under a Perspex cover and a sitar type bridge. Tuning of the extra > strings was done with a sort of autoharp/dulcimer key. Another type of > guitar ran the sympathetic strings at an angle to the main guitar strings > and under them, where they intersected. It had a protruding pseudo-neck > coming out at an angle along which the sympathetic strings ran. That was > about Ģ300. Sounds like Jerry Jones again. -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 30 23:47:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA16212; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 23:46:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 23:46:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AC50D62.58C51294@pseudobuddha.com> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 22:49:07 +0000 From: Bobdog Reply-To: bobdog@pseudobuddha.com Organization: Pseudo Buddha X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: WTB - Roland Guitar Synth Pickup Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey listers - i'm interested in buying a roland guitar synth pickup, the gk-2 i suppose. whatever works with the gr-100 thing. anyone got one laying around? thanks, bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 31 02:56:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA21888; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 02:47:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 02:47:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.163.200.30] From: "Pete Mundt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: mp3.com uploads Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 02:46:20 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Mar 2001 07:46:20.0655 (UTC) FILETIME=[AD269FF0:01C0B9B6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm wondering if the specific "genre" has to do with approval speed in getting our songs uploaded to mp3.com? I would be interested in finding out what "genre" ya'll have been designating to your songs and doing a comparison to see which "genre's" are taking the most time to approve. Please feel free to e-mail me off list. thanks, Pete. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 31 04:40:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA25493; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 04:32:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 04:32:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <63.13f3ee91.27f6fdba@aol.com> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 04:30:34 EST Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #182 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_63.13f3ee91.27f6fdba_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows UK sub 58 Resent-Message-ID: <5xf5XD.A.SMG.YPax6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_63.13f3ee91.27f6fdba_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is there any eletronic FX box that can produce a sympathetic resonance=20 similar to the sitar? I would imagine that you could program Kyma to do this but how about a more affordable unit? how affordable did you want to go? the Behringer Modulizer will do this, the UK price is under =A3100. It will only resonate at one frequency at a time,=20 (but you get all the harmonics) and at the price you could buy enough to=20 resonate a scale and still be cheaper than=20 effects like the Lex PCM 81 and whatever Eventide boxes do this.=20 andy butler --part1_63.13f3ee91.27f6fdba_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is there any eletronic FX= box that can produce a sympathetic resonance=20
similar to the sitar?  I would imagine that you could program Kyma=20= to do
this but how about a more affordable unit?

how affordable did you want to go?
the Behringer Modulizer will do this, the UK price is under =A3100.
It will only resonate at one frequency at a time,=20
(but you get all the harmonics)
and at the price you could buy enough to=20
resonate a scale and still be cheaper than=20
effects like the Lex PCM 81 and whatever Eventide boxes do this.=20


andy butler
--part1_63.13f3ee91.27f6fdba_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 31 06:06:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA28542; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 05:58:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 05:58:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c0b9ce$f771b640$66effea9@oemcomputer> From: "become_1" To: References: <3AC3AA57.E052B313@virtulink.com> <003301c0b96c$190469a0$b683abd4@LucaFormentini> Subject: Re: Zendrum & other Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 05:40:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Mar 2001 10:57:01.0598 (UTC) FILETIME=[507BFBE0:01C0B9D1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sounds like the Chameleon? But I don't have a link. I think it was introduced at the german show. Perhaps try a search for "chameleon" at harmony central > I remember someone linked to the list the review of a new effect that was on > Harmony's central Namm pages during the show: something between a modular > multieffect and a synthesizer.... it was green.... maybe from germany.... I > really don't remember From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 31 07:28:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA31584; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 07:25:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 07:25:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AC33698.E3CA3CC2@club.lemonde.fr> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:20:24 +0200 From: "o.malhomme" Reply-To: o.malhomme@club.lemonde.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: MMM Splatter cell? References: <200103301822.NAA20161@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It may hve been covered already... but any advice on this ? Olivier Malhomme From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 31 08:02:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA00683; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 07:59:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 07:59:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010331075737.007e82f0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 07:57:37 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: droning questions In-Reply-To: <000101c0b99b$1a858000$09a46fd4@dolly> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:06 PM 3/30/01 +0100, you wrote: >there was a thing calling itself an electric sitar with 12 sympathetic >strings under a Perspex cover and a sitar type bridge. Tuning of the extra >strings was done with a sort of autoharp/dulcimer key. That's the exact arrangement of the original Danelectro Vinnie Bell Coral electric sitar, and subsequently the version made by Jerry Jones that was based on it, which you can see at . Danelectro also made a cheaper version that had no sympathetic strings that looked like this Jerry Jones model: . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 31 11:09:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06481; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 11:06:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 11:06:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002a01c0b9fc$51cc1400$17934e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: droning questions Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 11:04:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <7htTKC.A.ukB.qAgx6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gareth wrote: >there was a thing calling itself an electric sitar with 12 sympathetic >strings under a Perspex cover and a sitar type bridge. >Tuning of the extra strings was done with a sort of autoharp/dulcimer key. I've seen this type of guitar and have to chime in (pun fully intended) that these type of strings are not truly sympathetic strings. That is, they don't really resonate when the main strings are plucked. I think the intention of that design is to imitate the multiple strings of the sitar. However, when they're located too far from the main playing strings they won't begin to vibrate spontaneously from the sound of the main strings. My feeling is that they're included on this type of instrument to simulate the tinkling, cascading zither-like sound called "jhankar" that we associate with the rapid brushing of the sitar's sympathetic strings. As an aside, this sound used to be exclusively a "tuning check" of these strings and was never incorporated into the actual music itself until Pandit Ravi Shankar began using it as a sort of punctuation device between phrases or sections of the raga's development. >Another type of guitar ran the sympathetic strings at an angle to the main >guitar strings and under them, where they intersected. It had a protruding >pseudo-neck coming out at an angle along which the sympathetic strings >ran. This instrument sounds as though the additional strings really would work "sympathetically" due to their resting beneath the main strings. I'm not really sure how effective this would all be on an electric instrument, though, since the pickup would essentially replace the resonator. I have half a dozen traditional "ethnic" instruments that use sympathetic strings and of course, they're all purely acoustic. Most have very thin wooden faces that emphasize a bright sound and rich harmonics, and some of them have skin-covered resonators, which also really liven and expand the sound (think banjo vs guitar). My Indian instruments (sitar, surbahar, dilruba) also have specific "twanging" bridges for the sympathetic strings that increase their resonance. I've found that on some of these instruments it's taken a long time (up to 5 years) for the instruments to 'warm up' enough that the sympathetic strings really begin to "speak." I feel that this is due to the density of the wood in the neck along which they run, underneath the main strings. So I wonder how well sympathetic strings would vibrate in the absence of a resonator? Anyway, my 2 "cents" [monetary, not tuning intervals :-) ] James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 31 11:29:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06900; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 11:28:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 11:28:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 10:26:58 -0600 Subject: Expression pedal with PMC10 From: Steve Ginn To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002a01c0b9fc$51cc1400$17934e0c@u73x0> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What kind of expression pedals are most using with the PMC10? Also, does anyone know if the Yamaha FC7 expression pedal will work ... I have heard that for some equipment like the POD DL-4 it won't. Thanks, Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 31 12:46:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09687; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:44:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:44:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 09:39:37 -0800 From: Pantonio Subject: Re: Oberheim Echoplex for sale In-reply-to: <93.8c57108.27f1516b@cs.com> X-Sender: pantonio@pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010331093910.00a16190@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:14 PM 3/26/01, you wrote: >I just wanted to let everyone know that I have an Oberheim Echoplex Digital >Pro for sale. It's a v.5 with 198 seconds of recording time, and it comes >with the EFC-7 footcontroller. It was purchased in 1997, but it has seen very >little use and is in excellent condition. If you are interested, please make >an offer. I live in St. Louis, MO. Thanks...Blaine had an offers? don't know what it's worth, but I might be interested. \/\/\/\/\/\/\ Tony Justman San Francisco pantonio@pacbell.net www.greatgodpan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 31 13:38:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12002; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 13:35:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 13:35:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AC62398.65E19691@pacific.net> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 10:36:08 -0800 From: John Mcleod X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: droning questions References: <002a01c0b9fc$51cc1400$17934e0c@u73x0> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For years I've had the wish to add sympathetic strings to the guitar. The way I'd imagined this being done would be to use two guitars. The first would have some sort of pickup for the six (or however many you have !) strings. This signal would then be fed to another guitar - I think an old acoustic would work well here - maybe a 12-string. This is where my idea needs work, but maybe the Sustainiac string driver could be adapted. The sound from the first guitar is applied to the strings of the second one in a controlled way in order to produce sympathetic vibrations - I'd originally thought of doing this by fitting the guitar with an internal speaker of some kind, but a transducer such as the sustainiac or a conventional pickup (fed from a preamp) may be persuaded to work in reverse. The sound of the sympathetic strings could then be mixed with the sound from the first guitar using a conventional pickup on the second guitar. The advantage of this setup is that you have a greater range of tuning for the longer sympathetic strings, and you can also adjust their volume with respect to the main signal. I have a feeling that the original Coral Sitar Guitar relied on the strings vibrating using the resonance (?) of the solid body of the guitar. This would probably work if you were standing next to a 200w stack (which would set the guitar and your internal organs resonating), but I doubt if they create any sort of discernible sound in most other situations - I've never played one, but I imagine that this is the case. As with a lot of my ideas, this has languished without being put into practice, mainly because of the need for a suitable string driver in the second guitar. If anybody has any suggestions as to how this could be achieved, I would be very interested ! John Mcleod James Pokorny wrote: > Gareth wrote: > >there was a thing calling itself an electric sitar with 12 sympathetic > >strings under a Perspex cover and a sitar type bridge. > > >Tuning of the extra strings was done with a sort of autoharp/dulcimer key. > > I've seen this type of guitar and have to chime in (pun fully intended) that > these type of strings are not truly sympathetic strings. That is, they > don't really resonate when the main strings are plucked. I think the > intention of that design is to imitate the multiple strings of the sitar. > However, when they're located too far from the main playing strings they > won't begin to vibrate spontaneously from the sound of the main strings. My > feeling is that they're included on this type of instrument to simulate the > tinkling, cascading zither-like sound called "jhankar" that we associate > with the rapid brushing of the sitar's sympathetic strings. As an aside, > this sound used to be exclusively a "tuning check" of these strings and was > never incorporated into the actual music itself until Pandit Ravi Shankar > began using it as a sort of punctuation device between phrases or sections > of the raga's development. > > >Another type of guitar ran the sympathetic strings at an angle to the main > >guitar strings and under them, where they intersected. It had a protruding > >pseudo-neck coming out at an angle along which the sympathetic strings > >ran. > > This instrument sounds as though the additional strings really would work > "sympathetically" due to their resting beneath the main strings. I'm not > really sure how effective this would all be on an electric instrument, > though, since the pickup would essentially replace the resonator. I have > half a dozen traditional "ethnic" instruments that use sympathetic strings > and of course, they're all purely acoustic. Most have very thin wooden > faces that emphasize a bright sound and rich harmonics, and some of them > have skin-covered resonators, which also really liven and expand the sound > (think banjo vs guitar). My Indian instruments (sitar, surbahar, dilruba) > also have specific "twanging" bridges for the sympathetic strings that > increase their resonance. I've found that on some of these instruments it's > taken a long time (up to 5 years) for the instruments to 'warm up' enough > that the sympathetic strings really begin to "speak." I feel that this is > due to the density of the wood in the neck along which they run, underneath > the main strings. So I wonder how well sympathetic strings would vibrate in > the absence of a resonator? > > Anyway, my 2 "cents" [monetary, not tuning intervals :-) ] > > James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 31 14:04:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13555; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 14:01:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 14:01:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Mike McGary" To: Subject: RE: Expression pedal with PMC10 Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 13:05:19 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Interesting timing. I just spent last night messing with this. I could not get my Yamaha FC7 pedals to work (it's a shame, I think those are great pedals, performance-wise). I have some pedals for my kurzweil that work just fine. They appear to be run-of-the-mill-but-not-yamaha pedals. You just have to go into the 'utilities' menu and calibrate the pedals. I am using my two pedals to affect feedback and output level of the EDP (via the PMC10) Mike McGary > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Ginn [mailto:sginn@airmail.net] > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 10:27 AM > To: Loopers Delight > Subject: Expression pedal with PMC10 > > > What kind of expression pedals are most using with the PMC10? Also, does > anyone know if the Yamaha FC7 expression pedal will work ... I have heard > that for some equipment like the POD DL-4 it won't. > > Thanks, > Steve > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 31 14:08:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13909; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 14:07:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 14:07:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@fixme From: "Darren Littlejohn" To: Subject: Midi thru device question Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 11:08:11 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <2EjFkB.A.9WD.Erix6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use my Morpheus from the Roland GR-33 Guitar Synth. But there's a problem. Does anyone know why a MIDI device wouldn't respond to volume from the GK-2 pickup? If I have my volume even on zero, midi data still gets thru, and volume makes it REALLY loud but not quiet. Everything works fine with just the GR-33, and the manual says the MIDI device needs to be set to recieve Controller 7 messages, which I have all 4 available on the device set to 07. I do have it running THRU Cakewalk since the midiman is my patch bay so to speak.... -d From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 31 14:18:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14188; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 14:11:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 14:11:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 13:11:14 -0600 Subject: Re: Expression pedal with PMC10 From: Steve Ginn To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have heard this many times. I really like the smoothness and the wide rotational swing the FC7 has. I wonder if there is any way to modify them so they will work properly. Steve on 3/31/01 1:05 PM, Mike McGary at mcgary@metronet.com wrote: > Interesting timing. I just spent last night messing with this. > I could not get my Yamaha FC7 pedals to work (it's a shame, I think > those are great pedals, performance-wise). > > I have some pedals for my kurzweil that work just fine. They appear > to be run-of-the-mill-but-not-yamaha pedals. You just have > to go into the 'utilities' menu and calibrate the pedals. I am using > my two pedals to affect feedback and output level of the EDP (via the PMC10) > > Mike McGary > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Steve Ginn [mailto:sginn@airmail.net] >> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 10:27 AM >> To: Loopers Delight >> Subject: Expression pedal with PMC10 >> >> >> What kind of expression pedals are most using with the PMC10? Also, does >> anyone know if the Yamaha FC7 expression pedal will work ... I have heard >> that for some equipment like the POD DL-4 it won't. >> >> Thanks, >> Steve >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 31 15:20:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16187; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 15:18:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 15:18:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3AC65717.91EF5123@vtx.ch> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 22:15:51 +0000 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Expression pedal with PMC10 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0HV7tB.A.07D.xsjx6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mike McGary wrote: > > Interesting timing. I just spent last night messing with this. > I could not get my Yamaha FC7 pedals to work (it's a shame, I think > those are great pedals, performance-wise). > > I have some pedals for my kurzweil that work just fine. They appear > to be run-of-the-mill-but-not-yamaha pedals. You just have > to go into the 'utilities' menu and calibrate the pedals. I am using > my two pedals to affect feedback and output level of the EDP (via the PMC10) > > Mike McGary > guys you need to change the jack connector to a mono one by connecting the shield to the sleeve and one of the two other wires to the tip sorry you'll have to try ... I have two of those sturdy yam pedals hooked to my pmc10 and it works excellent solder some, its easy Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 31 20:06:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24583; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 19:59:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 19:59:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 16:56:30 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: droning questions In-reply-to: <002a01c0b9fc$51cc1400$17934e0c@u73x0> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: <002a01c0b9fc$51cc1400$17934e0c@u73x0> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:04 AM -0500 3/31/01, James Pokorny wrote: >I've seen this type of guitar and have to chime in (pun fully >intended) that these type of strings are not truly sympathetic >strings. That is, they don't really resonate when the main strings >are plucked. They resonate on mine. In fact, they have their own pickup and tone/volume knobs, and if I turn off the main pickups and play the regular strings I get output from the sympathetic strings. Granted it's not the glorious swell and shimmer of a real sitar, but it does work. >I think the intention of that design is to imitate the multiple >strings of the sitar...My feeling is that they're included on this >type of instrument to simulate the tinkling, cascading zither-like >sound called "jhankar" that we associate with the rapid brushing of >the sitar's sympathetic strings. I'd dispute that. The "normal" tuning for these sympathetic strings is chromatic, E to E. The instrument seems to have been designed more as a regular guitar that sounds something like a sitar than as a guitar-like emulation of a sitar (if you get the distinction). -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 31 20:07:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25904; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 20:05:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 20:05:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010401010456.29426.qmail@web5105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 17:04:56 -0800 (PST) From: Alx Subject: Re: Zendrum & other (chameleon) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002b01c0b9ce$f771b640$66effea9@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hereīs the link: http://www.soundart-hot.com/ Alx. --- become_1 wrote: > Sounds like the Chameleon? But I don't have a link. > I think it was > introduced at the german show. Perhaps try a search > for "chameleon" at > harmony central > > > I remember someone linked to the list the review > of a new effect that was > on > > Harmony's central Namm pages during the show: > something between a modular > > multieffect and a synthesizer.... it was green.... > maybe from germany.... > I > > really don't remember > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text